The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► my kids were refusing the purple [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► potatoes so it made into blind taste [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► test and they couldn't tell the [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► difference on my cot your stupid videos [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► it's not burned its purple just eat it [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► so as chief summarizer in chief that job [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► is usually quite delightful but on rare [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► rare occasions it is anything but [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► delightful and and we're recording the [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► night of november nine 2016 last night [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► are our country made a very peculiar [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► choice that none of the three of us [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► agree with and we were debating what to [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► do about the presidential election and [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► when how we should handle it what we [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► should say about what we should talk [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► about and the conclusion of the three of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► us came to is we wanted to acknowledge [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► that it is the thing and it happened and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► were upset but otherwise carry on [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it's going to do me some good to forget [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► about this for a little while i think [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► it's going to do you guys some good to [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► forget about this for awhile and [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► genuinely no star contended it's our [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► hope that it will do you the listener [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► some good to not think about that for a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► while I'm upset I'm frustrated and I'm [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► angry but but really I'm gonna get over [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► these macro soon for the macbook person [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► I ruin my own joke look at that that's [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► how angry I that's where we're all yeah [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► we're going to totally fix that in post [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► but anyway but no seriously though you [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► know what I I all kidding aside we're [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► all frustrated were all upset and i'll [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► give you guys a chance to weigh and if [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► you have anything to add [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► but it's gonna be business as usual [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► around here and bring a try our best to [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► just move along [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► yeah and i do want to clarify like you [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► know where we're not i'm not for a [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► second going to forget this just [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► happened and I and I I'm not going to [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► pretend that didn't happen i'm not going [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► to forget what this means what this [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► signifies to so many Americans this this [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► is not going to be forgotten at all but [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► we have a texture to do so we're going [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► to the tech show and hopefully that can [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► help us and our listeners temporarily [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► get a reprieve from what has happened at [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► the show must go on as they say we've [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► talked about this before we will talk [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► on social topics what has the intersect [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► with tech and this you know potentially [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► intersects with everything but i think [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► this falls into the category of we [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► mentioned on a past show that if [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► something really big happens it would be [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► weird if we didn't acknowledge it but by [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► the same token but especially with how [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► all three of us are feeling today and [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► now a lot of a lot of listeners are [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► feeling today your overwhelming [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► consensus is we just want to do a [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► regular show as a brief respite from [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► what we've all been dealing with today [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► and we'll be dealing with going forward [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► so there you have it [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► yeah so let's start with some follow-up [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► is psycho rights in to say Apple did not [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► ship in ed ram / iris pro skylake on the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► 15-inch macbook it is HD 530i is that [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► we're talking about video cards is that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► right yeah that was in my reference to [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► what I was talking about in the past [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► show or I said that Apple kind of is put [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► yourself in a difficult position by [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► demanding the the highest and fanciest [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► version of all the chips especially with [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► the biggest GPU embedded in them and we [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► better if they were with the winter [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► trips and just use the discreet but [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that's what they actually did on the 15 [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► instruments not wimpy it's the 83 530 is [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► one of the better ones but it's not the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► one with the embedded dram and the Irish [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► pro think so [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► and now i'm not saying Irish pro which [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► is what everyone here is probably what [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► I'm trying to say iris pro but it's [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► difficult goodness [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► alright moving along the touch bar [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► apparently registers past the screen [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► area particularly on the left-hand side [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► where the Escape key [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► well I guess is not a kid anymore the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► escape button would be okay can we talk [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► about how we know this or should we not [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► talk about how we know this there was a [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► French website that posted something [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that someone our listener translated for [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► me but the the difference that is what [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► we're discussing like it's a shame that [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► they didn't have the touch part always [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► had left because you can reach the upper [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► left-hand corner and feel for it and but [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that part of that screen we knew that [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► for a fact from the from day one that [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► part is not a screen you can't draw the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► escape button up against the left end of [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the bar question was alright so there's [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► no image there but is it touch sensitive [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► and the answer is about half to send [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► touch-sensitive like so if you just take [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► the blank space where you can't show any [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► pixels on [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► outside of the touch bar and divide it [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► in half vertically the left half of it [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► does nothing you hit it doesn't do [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► anything it's not touch sensitive it's [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► not pressure-sensitive doesn't light up [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► for anything [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► the right half of the blank region [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► doesn't light up but does register your [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► touch in some way and because it's about [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► the width of your finger you can pretty [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► much take your finger and jam it on the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► left side of the touch bar and it will [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► activate the Escape key in fact it will [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► activate the escapee even have no part [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► of your fingers actually touching any of [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the pixels that make up the Escape key [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► or the picture of the escapee or [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► whatever so it's kind of a weird to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► compromise like the almost got to go [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► edge but not quite and I guess maybe one [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and I fix it doesn't tear now maybe [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► they'll figure out why like how did the [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► touch sensors extend that far how far [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► does the you know the screen go and so [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► on and so forth [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► have either of you done with the the the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► simulated touch bar on an ipad yet know [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► that does that [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► yeah but it's the wrong size isn't it so [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► it since it would be much of a test of [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► anything it's interesting like iran iran [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that way yesterday for a while i was [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► working and it's actually kind of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► interesting well iguess looking to [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► forget your off hand but Stephen Stephen [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► transfer has been tweeting a lot here [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► and there and different things and [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► basically like you have to have xcode [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► you have to install the special build of [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► 10-12 one that isn't the real 10-12 one [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► but it's a new 10-12 one with a [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► different build number you have to [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► download separately most websites kind [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► of a mess data working together like get [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► it running on an ipad which means you [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► have to have a signing provisioning [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► profile and everything but if you can [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► get past all that which is a lot [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► it is interesting to see and so you know [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► i just i place my 9.7 inch iPad pro [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► right in on top my keyboard kind of in [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► the right spot where it should be and [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► it's interesting like you know so as you [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► mentioned it is significantly smaller [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► than the real touch pocket but i'm able [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► to estimate from pictures that the real [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► touch bar is 11 inches long or 10 inches [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► long or something like that and and the [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► ipad 9.7 type the side screen is like [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► seven points something inches long so [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► it's substantially smaller and you can [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► tell it to touch targets do feel a [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► little bit small [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► when you run the simulator but it is [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► really cool to see it as you move [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► throughout the osu to see what the touch [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► bar actually does and how it responds to [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► different things that are available [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► you know as as i mentioned the end of [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► last show [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► this really is showing an apple is [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► putting a lot of effort into the mac and [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the mac is not just some totally dead [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► platform of them because they have a lot [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► of stuff for the touch bar already like [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► it is so much so many built-in apps [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► already support the touch bar with some [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► pretty useful stuff like there's there's [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► like one doesn't like and I itunes [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► widget that's kind of always showing [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► whatever itunes doing anything it looks [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► like a little equalizer and you can tap [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► that and it converts the whole bar into [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► basically an itunes scrubber with a [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► couple of you know play/pause button and [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► its icon and you can just leave that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► open the whole time the organs you can [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► if you if you liked the script their [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► songs or to see that your progress their [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► song which is important to listen to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► such incredibly lazy song as I do it's [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► actually kinda nice to see and it and [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► and you can play with all the stuff like [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► on the side that actually works pretty [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► well i would say if you are curious [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► about the touch bar and if you if you [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► have the patience and skill required to [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► you know use xcode to open some open [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► source thing and provision to actually [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► run and ipad it's kinda cool to see and [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► but again like i'm not sure i would [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► recommend it for full-time use unless [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► you have a 12-point ipad brokers that [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► that actually would be big enough i [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► think i think that'd be about the right [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► size but online points evidence it's [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► pretty tiny but it's cool to see and it [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► works surprisingly well it's responsive [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► at the animations are fluid it's [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► surprisingly good for this like two day [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► a two-day-old hack basically it's pretty [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► amazing to have this running on an iPad [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► and I will say though having run this on [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this little thing above my keyboard on [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► my desktop I think John's concerns last [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► episode about the the ergonomics of like [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► looking up and down so far between a [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► desktop screen and the frontier keyboard [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► and at that distance being way further [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► than how you how you adjust your eyes on [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► a laptop that is a real problem and it's [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it's a problem enough that it's i'm not [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► entirely sure the touch bar on desktop [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► is ever going to make a lot of sense [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► just because that really is odd and and [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► kind of uncomfortable i will say though [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► that now that I've seen how well this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► works it is kind of interesting idea [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► that what if Apple made an external [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► touch bar that was just it by itself [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► that didn't include [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► keyboard necessarily mean maybe you can [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► get a keyboard that have fun with it but [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► maybe they also sell an extra one like I [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► mean this is wishful thinking i don't [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► think they actually would do that but [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► this like once you use an iPad like this [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► you see like this actually does work it [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► is kinda useful and there could be [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► something here if it was done well where [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► did you put the external touch bar above [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► your keyboard simply put mine but isn't [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► it that's the same problem with all [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► desktop thing of like the photo business [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► change everything like what have you [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► solved by having just a random external [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► touch bar [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► well you have quick access to you know [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► it's it's kind of like having media keys [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► on your keyboard but you know on [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► steroids but you have to look at them i [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► have to look at most of my keys most of [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the time too because I never remember [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► what I don't you you probably had the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► glance may be too because you know [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► you're going for somewhere on the middle [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► like whatever that you're not really [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► different and reading and just like you [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► know glancing to see where it is but [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► well but they're always in the same spot [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► like you know like when if you something [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► if you use a frequent item a lot always [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► going to be right there i mean yeah as [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► long as that happens from most like [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that's the tricky but how did you find [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► that in terms of the context switching [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► because if you have a particular [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► especially for media keys and stuff like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► I'm used to having play/pause on my [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► keyboard to the toilet you know to pause [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► itunes at work but doesn't matter what [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► happened my text editor i can't play [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► pause and stop the music you know [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► someone comes over to my desk or [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► something but I've never actually in [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► itunes [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► well I wasn't using many third-party [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► apps i was only using apple ones that [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► have support for this but things like [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► having like it when I mentioned the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► expanded iTunes U with the scrubber that [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► stays up even if itunes is not frontmost [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► which is kinda cool like that like [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► that's just like it's one of the modes [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► you know you like there's like all these [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► buttons on the side that you can [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► like.the control strip part you mean [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that so that's always there getting on [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the right you can toggle on certain [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► modes that persist until you change them [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► and that's just one of those modes like [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► one of them is like the old function [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► keys [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► one of them is the itunes thing you know [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► guys never use the real control pitcher [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► nope i did and it was awesome [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► congratulations once it was pluggable to [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► you could buy third-party things that [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► would add new tiles so the control [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► script and you could you know configure [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► how you wanted [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► yeah it was really nice so it's come [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► back button on my keyboard comes from [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► the other side by default actually can't [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► move the control so can you can make it [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► comfortable [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► try it's always on the right side I'm [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► sure they'll be a plist entry for you [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► John don't worry [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► no well you can even put the doctor the [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► edge anymore are you kidding that's why [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► you never mess with those sorts of [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► things kids is why you embrace the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► defaults right I'm I fast for the big [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► scrubber that's one of my frustrations [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► with quicktime player and one of the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► many reasons why i still have quicktime [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► player 7 installed and hope it never [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► breaks is frequently if I mean I should [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► probably use a real audio editor like [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► vision or something and sometimes i do [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► but sometimes you just want to open up [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► an audio file and scrub to a particular [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► time stamp and it's a really long file [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► because it's like a podcast or something [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► and you just can't do it in like when [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► the the audio window is small so i [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► opened in QuickTime 7 and I stretch the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► audio window to really wide and yelling [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► I have a scrubber that's the entire with [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► my screen to give me the resolution I [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► suppose that the quicktime player to the [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► point is I'm i'm making a window bigger [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► on a non visual medium the only reason [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► I'm making the window bigger because i [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► want more precision in the scrubber this [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► brings us back to our old discussion [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► about ideas of zooming and scrubbed and [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► stuff but anyway if you have a screen [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that is the width of a qwerty keyboard [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► that's pretty good scrubber length then [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you probably get decent resolution [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► they're not as big as you get maybe I'm [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► like a giant 5k display where you make [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► the entire width of the thing but you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► know I mean a certain point you need to [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► just open audio editor and zoom in on [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► the way for my understand that but it's [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► one of those hacks that you do so in [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► summary Marco touch bar tentatively [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► optimistic i mean you sound pretty [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► pleased with it in principle I mean I'll [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► again I didn't get to try a real one yet [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► is your show time [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► time will tell on this again it seems [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► pretty cool [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I i think if I were buying again I think [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► what I what I said last episode of you [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► are lying again [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► yeah if I were buying a laptop a mac [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► laptop today and I intended to use it as [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► my primary computer i would get the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► touch bar because it will I think it [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► will probably end up being really great [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► reviewer seem to have them now so we [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► should here fairly soon from people who [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► have actual hands-on experience for more [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► than 10 minutes we should hear from them [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► how these are in practice and then [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► hopefully sometime soon people actually [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► start being able to own these things I [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► mean you know i don't think any [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► additional [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► in the initial orders have shipped yet [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► they all had like that to three weeks [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► ship date estimate at first so i don't [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► think anybody actually has one yet [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► except a couple of reviewers but I do [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► look forward to hearing what they say [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► having use the real one not some ipad [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► approximation of it but the ipad [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► approximation was pretty good [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that's also my mom really looking [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► forward to trying this one day [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► eventually maybe john told me about the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► next Mac Pro is going to be an [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► all-in-one this is a topic that has come [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► up lots of past shows and has been [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► gaining steam as people here is known [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► about the mac pro and Marco a big piece [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► about the advantages of pro and all that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and it's seeming to me you know probably [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► many months out from any potential [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► movement on this front that if Apple is [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► not going to make another mac pro in the [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► style that we expected to be as in a [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► computer that doesn't have a monitor [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► like they're you know they're not gonna [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► make another trash can [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► if they're reimagining the mac pro is [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► something other than a trashcan most [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► likely reimagining is what everyone [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► keeps referring to as an imac pro which [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► is the big 5k screen with a bunch of [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► computer crap stuck to the back of it [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and the only difference would be that [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► the computer craft stuff to the back of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it is more pro ish answer those [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► questions like can you fit a xeon in [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► there can you actually put a decent [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► graphics card in there there's a lot of [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► room behind a 5k display obviously they [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► wanted to be super skinny and they're [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► kind of like that their own self-imposed [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► constraints especially in the back of [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the display because they didn't even see [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► that when you're looking at the front it [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► doesn't need to be portable except for [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the guy who brings imac to panera bread [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► to play World of Warcraft not [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► yeah I so you know realistically you [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► could totally do that now if Apple did [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► it I assume they would make their life [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► more difficult by still trying to make [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► it thin and using all their skills honed [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► by working on the super slim macbook [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► pros and on their I devices to continue [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► to make it skinny and use clever heat [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► routing and venting and special fans and [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► whatever to make it so it doesn't melt [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► and so these days [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► well as I'd well about the mac pro in [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► bits and pieces [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► I started thinking about a macpro that [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► looks like an imac and thinking they can [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► fit some pretty good stuff in there [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► maybe they won't even go as the ensemble [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► just try to use better desktop chips and [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► have a higher ram ceiling and a bigger [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► GPU maybe it really literally is named [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► my mac pro or maybe just called mac pro [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► in the new mac pro is an all-in-one you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► know like they say this is the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► bargaining stage here I might just about [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► to say that get out of my head all my [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► gosh make me a matte black mac pro shape [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► thing with a decent GPU and aziani see [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► ram with the high limit i buy it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's I would love that my [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► self i would absolutely love that and [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► another thing is like you know again I [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► mean this totally is bargaining but at [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► this point i'll take what we can get you [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► know if they can make something that is [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► mac pro like that happens to be an [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► all-in-one that will cut out certain use [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► cases that will make certain people who [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► would have bought our mac pro not buy it [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► and that will possibly hurt sales but if [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► that's what Apple has to do to make it [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► palatable to Tim Cook and jony ive then [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► I guess we'll be no I I would take that [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► over no mac pro you know so I don't know [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► but I i think the question of what you [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► could put into that depends entirely on [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the cooling setup you know if you look [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► at the way the two mac pro is setup [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► which by the way like and I didn't [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► mention this too much in the post i but [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► the two Mac Pro has a serious problem [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► that the GPUs die frequently and this is [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► this has never really been much in the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► public eye because not a lot of people [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► on these machines are also speaking but [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that there's a massive like GPU death [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► flaw in the tube mac pro I brought this [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► up about about your article you didn't [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► add it to your article to do well i [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► hears things ok [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► a lot of people have first asking a [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► question of like why do I presume the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► mac pro is dead and i'll tell you right [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► now we've heard tips from so many [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► different sources and they all conflict [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► with each other every single every [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► single tip we've heard it's different [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► from a different referred some of them [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► are in direct contradiction [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► I've heard that the mac pro is already [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► dead I've heard that the mac pro is [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► on hold I've heard the mac pro is not [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► dead but going to take a different form [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► that the mac pro is very much alive and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the mac pro is coming between last month [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and next summer but I think all those I [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► think all those things the reason I'm [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► not big on the imac programmers because [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► i think it fits all of them because the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► people saying it's dead [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► what they really mean is the trashcan [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► instead check people say it's coming but [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► in a new form that's that's the imac [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► proform factor the dates nobody knows [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► those so forget about it [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► well what I haven't heard of anything [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► like this guy like me or not because [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that's really i think that is really [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► about the death of the net profits if [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► it's not the Xenon's it's just a desktop [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► trips with a better see you then it [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► literally is just a better iMac which [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► you know hey we'll take what we can get [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► but but I getting back to cooling like [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► one of the things you listed on your [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► article we have mac pro is so it doesn't [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► you know how like a laptop when you push [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► it hard and the imac doesn't how like a [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► laptop that kind of moans like an imac [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► like it's not what I was quieted the mac [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► pro and i have to say thats that's not a [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► i keep using like luxurious or elegant [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► or whatever but like it there if you [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► have hardware empathy empathy for the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► machine which i think i've talked about [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► on the past podcast it but and you try [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► to do something that stress is your [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► computer and it is just that just the [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► fans are just going to hear it worrying [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► there's a certain baseline level of [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► anxiety that I feel about that [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► I mean it's kind of annoying sound first [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► of all and second of all you're like [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► this is everything okay am I you know is [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it good to do this what what if your [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► laptop sounded like that you know eight [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► hours a day while you worked like it [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► can't be good for the thing to be yeah [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► and and it is an annoying sound it feels [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► better to get a big honking machine that [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you can stress to its limits and it you [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► know and it doesn't make a big racket [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► and so the imac does not fulfill that [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► criteria and and the reason I brought up [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► to to mark about his articles like that [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► is an advantage of the mac pro the the [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► idealized mac pro of course the 2008 [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► pack program sitting next to which is [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► humongous and weighs 50 pounds but the [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► trashcan mac pro fulfills the quietness [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► ideal but not so much the not melting [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► ideal which is an important part of them [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► the power and elegance formula for the [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► mac pro is you can be quiet and have [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► good cooling but that also means the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► parts that are inside you can't die from [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► excessive heat and the current trashcan [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► want current the new 2013 trashcan has [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► had a history of perhaps not doing so [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► well on removing the heat but it's [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► pretty quiet [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► yeah but anyway I wrote this article [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► with the presumption that the mac pro is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► either dead or quote on hold whatever [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► that means and the point of this article [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► is not to keep people's hopes up that [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it's not dead yet the points article is [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► to help convince the people at Apple [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that if this thing is truly either dead [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► or postponed or on hold or whatever to [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► try to convince them that I don't think [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► that's the right move and and basically [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► please don't do that and it has gotten a [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► little large response very large [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► response and and so I think I think I've [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► hit on something here and and when you [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► when you see the article in that way [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► that's why at the beginning I assume [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► that it's gone and I didn't bring up [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► like you know here's why the current [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► trash can overheat gpus because you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► that that is a real problem but that was [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► it didn't really need to be in there i [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► did mention here's why the current [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► trashcan sales might not be very good [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► and why you shouldn't use that I think [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the overheating is one of them like that [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► sigh I think like highlighting you know [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► it's not that we interviewed bring this [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► up is not that we did nobody like the [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► mac pro is that you changed it so much [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► in the ways that you change it or maybe [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► not palatable so that all the people who [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► buy mac pros and it's not as if you [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► while the mac pro's not for you it's [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► like what's gonna be for somebody and [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► apparently the trashcan macro was not [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► for enough people so i'm one of the [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► things is reliability but you know he's [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► one of the things you expect his [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► quietness able to handle high load and [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► reliable that's why you got the ECC ram [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► that's why you have the you know [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► workstation class components or do you [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► want to call and you know that is not [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► super duper overclock that is supposed [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► to be a reliable piece of hardware and [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► the trash can never quite fulfilled that [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► so it's yet another reason to add to the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► pile of why the trashcan might not have [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► been successful and that is not [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► oh you know this isn't there's no market [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► for promac anymore because I think there [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► still is [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it's small it's a small as it's ever [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► been but you have to actually serve that [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► market if you want to sell into it [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► but anyway so in summary my article was [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► basically a letter to apple presuming [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that they've killed the mac pro trying [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► to trying to shoot down reasons that [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► they might be using internally why they [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► should make this computer anymore and it [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► just so happened to be also wrapped up [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► in some other things the pros my life [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► and everything else because that's how I [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► feel and and my love for mac OS and not [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► wanting to leave mac OS x like what am I [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► gonna do go use windows no windows is [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► horrible sorry all the people who [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► respond to me saying that stupid thing [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► to say [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► no no it's true it's true Casey is an [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► official windows are well i was i was in [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► that I wasn't and more recently than me [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah because i installed Windows [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► 10 just two weeks ago or something like [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► that what happened are you okay [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► don't even get me started i and i've [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► installed Windows 10 and I was genuinely [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► liked it [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► hand on heart I'm not trying to be funny [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► I was look kind of looking forward to it [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► in a way because everyone every time [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► I've ever seen anyone talk about Windows [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► 10 I'd always heard you know it's really [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► good now it's good it's good you know [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► it's not bad at all and i installed it [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and it is just as bad as everything is [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► always been and I think we talked about [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► this already on the last show so I won't [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► belabor the labor it anymore but it's [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► terrible don't believe otherwise it's [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► anyway moving on so one of you put this [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► in the show notes is a genuinely great [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► question uh what external monitors or [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► Apple employees using with laptops now [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► for now they're probably using [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► Thunderbolt express but this this [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► question or idea was brought in many [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► different forms a surprising number of a [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► parent supposedly you know presumably [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► completely independent people came up [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► with this one scenario [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► hey Apple to the new spaceship campus [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► with a cool-looking office is shaped [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► like a ring and all this you know open [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► seating or whatever it is they were [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► trying to say like what would it be like [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► to walk into this spaceship campus and [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► see the Apple engineers diligently [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► working as if you're actually able to [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► see where they work because you probably [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► can't get bad country but anyway this is [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► these are people writing like and [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► presumably those people would have [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► laptops as a apple doesn't make desktops [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► anymore and who would use an imac and [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► whatever whatever but you know people [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► with laptops as we mentioned even apple [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► laptops when they're sitting at a desk [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► might like to have a bigger screen [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► do stuff on right because one of the [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► advantages of sitting down or standing [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► up standing desk or whatever you can [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► have a much bigger screen or multiple [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► screens or whatever and for all these [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► people asking this question they [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► couldn't envision a scenario where [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► Apple's headquarters was filled with [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► people using apple laptops connected to [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► non-apple monitors is it because not [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► Apple monitors are ugly [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► is it because they wouldn't match is it [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► because it wouldn't fit their idea of [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► these architects sketches of this [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► beautiful pristine a place where [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► everything is all apple and perfect in [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the tables are made from one giant [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► continuous piece of wood painstakingly [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► manufactured in Germany or whatever [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► that's probably part of it but the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► practical consideration is you know I [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► was brought before apples monitors for a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► while have made to connect two laptops [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► if they don't make any monitors which [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► seems like they're not anymore and if [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► the mac pro disappears and becomes an [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► all-in-one what are all the laptops and [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► connect to and I guess the other [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► connected question to this is the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► question of target display mode for imax [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► which used to be a thing and then wasn't [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► but now with the advent of Thunderbolt [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► three we'll talk about in a little bit [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► in theory you can buy an imac and just [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► use it as a monitor when you sit down [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► and get your laptop to which were being [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► make the world's most expensive monitor [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► not really actually the Apple 30 inches [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► probably still more money but it would [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► be a very expensive monitor at total [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► waste of the internals but technically [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► it is possible and that would be an out [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► to let apples campus photos continue to [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► be completely appellee from top to [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► bottom realistically speaking as for the [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► campus pictures you're not going to see [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► any except for reception of those are [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► going to be imax and they're gonna be [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► all in one they're gonna have a big [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► apple logo on them and it'll be fine [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► I i think i speak for all of us and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► saying we have some friends at apple and [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► one of my friends at apple i know for a [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► fact is rolling the dell 5k display as I [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► believe a child to his 5k imac at the [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► office I blg or the know the dell the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► double cable one correct [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► I maybe this is his home machine I I so [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► i might be lying unintentionally but i [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► am almost positive that this is his work [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► machine it's a 5k imac connected to this [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► double-double cable to this dell 5k [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► display too and so in the future I would [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► expect it would be the LG 5k display and [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► you're never going to see that because [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► he can take you to his office anyway [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► right exactly i have i have no idea what [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► an apple developer office even looks [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like i don't have ever seen a single [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► picture of one of anybody's ever usually [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► look at what they look like in the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► nineties they were awesome people that [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► died eight the giant 84 tvs with the CRT [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► monitor with two big speakers on the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► bottom and because they would you know [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► their hoard the fanciest Mac hardware [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► like I think it was it was more of a big [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► deal back when Max were just so much [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► more expensive and again if you look at [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► the original purchase price of the mac [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► to FX and converted to twenty sixteen [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► dollars you will be very surprised I'm [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► so but if you worked at Apple you access [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► that stuff so I remember a lot of like [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► cubicle farm pictures from the nineties [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► that office is not capable so anyway [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► very sort of you know if you are [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► listening to this and you are a nineties [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► era apple employee and have photos of [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► your cool setup senior officers send [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► them a couple of them send us a couple [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► of them because i love seeing those and [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► i'm sure they're not quite what they [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► look like today I have not actually seen [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the inside of an actual human working [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► person's office an apple in recent years [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► so I don't know what they're like but I [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► do know that Apple right now has many [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► different buildings that vary widely in [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► how nice they are how modern they are [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► when they were built what the [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► accommodations are like and the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► spaceship will be another iteration that [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► I think of a spaceship they have a bunch [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► of mock-ups you can see pictures of what [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► they expect though the work areas to be [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► like in the office to be like but there [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► is no like what does an apple officers [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► like because apples campus is so much [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► bigger than the giant one infinite loop [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► building it's so many other buildings [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► scattered all over the place and they [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► are very different from each other [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► enough so tell us [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► speaking of displays and cabling tell us [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► about displayport some writing with a [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► bunch of facts about displayport and [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► we've talked about all these at bits and [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► pieces before we talk about how we [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► didn't think there was going to be an [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► external 5k display for a long time [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► because you couldn't run it over [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► displayport that the current standard [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► we're on displayport 1.2 and didn't have [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► it can only go up to 4k [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► I'm like might be on display port 143 [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► comes but that's not gonna be out for a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► long time so what are they going to do [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► we found out the answer to that was that [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► they're gonna do this you know what they [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► do with the LG Display it's one cable [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's not two cables and they just stream [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► multiple displayport 1.2 streams over it [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► but this information we got sent as a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► summary brought home another reality [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► which is even one display part 13 comes [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it still is not your Savior not that we [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► need to save your network is we have a [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► solution but it is not your Savior for [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► connecting your 5k display because [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► display part 1.3 only does 5k at 60 [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► frames per second at eight bits per [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► component whereas displayport 1.2 goes [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► up to 4k at 60 frames per second at ten [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► bits per component which is important if [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► you're doing fancy photo and video work [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► and honesty like color banding all the [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► crap and also the Alpine Ridge [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► Thunderbolt chipset can't receive that [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► display part 1 point 3 input anyway so [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► it's kind of a moot point [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► so we're going to be in the world of to [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► displayport 1.2 streams being told over [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► firewire for a while because that's the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► only way you can get five days [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► experience for second 10 bits per [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► component so may be displayed for 1.4 [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► will do it in a single stream I don't [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► and as for Thunderbolt Thunderbolt [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► angles Thunderbolt one could send to [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► displayport 1.1 streams Thunderbolt [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► three can send to displayport 1.2 trips [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► obviously we know it can do that because [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► it doesn't the LG display and when [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► Thunderbolt three does that it still [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► leaves 10 gigabits per second band was [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► left over for other stuff so that is the [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► magic that makes the laptops being [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► connected to LG Display working that is [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► like if you take that back in time and [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► show that to someone like 15 years ago [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► as I you're going to output how much [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► video over this skinny little thing at [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► home we had we were just connecting like [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► the ADC connector dvir these big honking [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► multi-pin parallel things with big thick [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► cables at resolutions that are you know [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► I a tiny fraction of the current one and [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► now we're able to do this you know it is [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► which is still kind of a hack taking [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► those to display for all my two streams [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► and streaming them over this one cable [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► because that the standards don't have [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► enough to fill the whole screen then [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► putting them back together with the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► display control and everything that is a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► that's very impressive and we mentioned [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► multi screaming sometimes abbreviated [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► MST that actually refers to the part of [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the display point 1.2 spec that lets you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► tunnel to displayport 1.1 streams over [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► it and i keep saying that's what I'm [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► going to 1.1 1.3 but the abbreviation [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that's used frequently hbr which [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► hopefully stands for high bitrate and [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► displayport 1.2 hbr displayport 1.2 is [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► hbr to and displayport 1.3 her3 I don't [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► know that has any clarification but [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that's how its referred to it and this [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► email on some of the literature clears [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► mom [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► yeah anyway good thing we don't have to [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► wait for this point 1.3 and it's really [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► cool what Apple did to get the extra 5k [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► display working just in time for them to [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► not introduce a new mac pro and finally [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► some potentially ready to this we got an [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► anonymous as yet unconfirmed tip that [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► know the LG Display does not have a GPU [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► in it which makes sense in light of this [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► play port stuff because why wouldn't [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► need to GPU if they can output to [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► displayport 1.2 streams over the single [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► cable told you to display goodness [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► receive them and make one image out of [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► them and Bob's your uncle as they say [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► okay and then any as a final note and [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► this is clearly for John tell me about [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the macbook pro as the naked robotic or [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► if you please [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► this is another topic that my listeners [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► have brought up with the negative erotic [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► or for brief review is the idea for the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► iDevices specifically the iphone that [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► Apple wants to make the smaller skinnies [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► thing possible even if it doesn't [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► function as a complete phone and allow [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► people to augment it either right with [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► cases or battery cases or colors or [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► whatever that they don't sell you the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► entire phone i tell you the Naked [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► robotic core and then you dress it up to [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► be the phone you really want to be [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► because of Apple made those choices and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► put a rubberized rugged case on the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► thing for you are mated thicker and [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► bigger and ruggedized the people who [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► wanted a skinny little silver thing [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► couldn't have it and the people who [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► wanted a different color coordinate some [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► sources like here you go here's the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► negative robotic or add to it whatever [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you want that's strategy has been [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► discussed a long time as a you know [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► trying to get apples head about why they [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► make a difference dinner and slippery [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► and also stuff and so probably brought [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it up for the macbook pro [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► is the macbook pro and a robotic or and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► my initial instinct was that it was no [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► use you don't put a case on your thing [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► about battery case for macbook pro would [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► be awesome but you don't like to do [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► external batteries for but it's not it's [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► not like you put a flowery case on it so [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► when you accidentally drop it doesn't [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► get being like it's not it's a different [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► size class of item than a phone doesn't [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► seem like they're selling you the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► skinniest thing possible allowing you to [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► bulk it up by adding stuff to it [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► although I suppose you could do that and [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► i'm sure someone out there make the case [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► for the macbook pro but I thought about [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► a little more one aspect of it does seem [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► kind of make a robotic Corey and gets [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► into the idea of the Thunderbolt three [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► ports that uh that again as the discuss [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► last show i'm in favor of going to a [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► bunch of uniform very small [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► multi-purpose sports that can do [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► they're cool they're multi-purpose they [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► can do a lot of things but one of the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► aspects of Thunderbolt ports there that [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► makes them so multi-purpose is there [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► like an external ization of pci or pci [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► express that necessitates the external [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► ization of certain components for [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► example like this one little tiny plug i [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► can plug in here and i can do video out [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► to DVI to VGA to me displayport to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► Thunderbolt Display hdmi look at all [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► these different options i don't have to [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► put 17 different video course on the [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► side of my mac i can just have this one [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► little skinny port but the price for [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► doing that is that you have externalize [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► doll the circuitry required to make hdmi [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► output work to make DVI of work because [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► the desert disgusting seen in the past [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► lots of these adapters have chips in [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► them and those chips aren't just like [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► optional will go away you know once once [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► the world to get six like it's because [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the thing that's coming out of that the [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► that part of what you do that is not [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► video if only my projector could [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► understand it it is an external ization [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► of the pci bus so there needs to be some [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► chips to deal with that and not [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► reference center for all things like USB [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► you could connect right to it so when we [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► all covered us bc on all devices [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► everywhere we don't have that problem [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► but certain devices still have some part [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► that could have been inside the computer [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► if there was a big honkin port move to [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► the outside of the computer now those [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► components are small and often they fit [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► in a little adapter that you wouldn't [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► even see and in theory they could also [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► be moving to the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► Isis eventually but for a while I think [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► one of the prices of this beautiful [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► uniform for future not just the fact [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► that we have dongles but that Apple is [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► pushing some logic some tact of logic [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► outside of their computer case you used [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► to be in the inside and now they're [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► giving you the Naked even less robotic [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► or because some of the robotic missus [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► has been moved outside the case so i've [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► been i've been thinking about that and [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► thinking is there a future where you [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► plop down your super skinny mac laptop [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and the only thing you ever upload into [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► it is super skinny beautiful slender [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► cables none of which have a big wide [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► dongle brick that contains the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► impossibly small active chip to do some [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► sort of translation and one thing that I [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► think is necessary regression of this [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► move though of the move to externalize [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► in all these different little things and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► and and you know pouring all of the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► complexity and capability of adapting to [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► different ports and protocols and [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► different things you know onto external [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► devices one of the downsides of this is [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► that the ones that you put in the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► computer you can control the quality of [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► and oftentimes they came for free with [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► the intel chipset or whatever else that [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► you know and you could make pretty good [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► things like USB controllers and hdmi [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► outputs and everything else in the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► current way of doing things of [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► externalizing to all these dongles and [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► adapters and stuff [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you are basically forcing people to buy [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► something from someone who knows who and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► who knows who's making the thing on the [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► inside to get the capability used to get [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► with like night reliable built-in stuff [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► and some of the many of the things that [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► you are adding onto are these like you [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► know cheap no-name brands from amazon or [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► ebay or whatever and like I I feel like [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► it's it's going to be a similar problem [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► as like finding a good USB hub which is [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► very difficult they good USB hubs do [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► exist but you it there so hard to find [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► that reliably that they basically don't [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► exist and so like USB devices in [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► practice once you need more of them than [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► what your computer has ports for they [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► just become less reliable [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► because your hub is probably less [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► reliable it's very hard to find what [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► isn't or very hard to diagnose the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► problem and what you require fairly [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► pricey Apple dongles and we will get to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► this but fairly pricey Apple dongles to [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► to do basic things everyone needs like [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you know you're not everyone basic [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► things a lot of people need like usba [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► adapters or hdmi anything like that [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► because the first party ones are so [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► expensive many people in reality are [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► going to go by third party ones for [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► amazon or whatever and they're going to [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► be less reliable they're going to be [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► less control over there going to be less [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► predictable you know in in many cases [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► not all but many cases and I feel like [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► that's kind of a step backwards in a lot [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► of ways like we used to have these nice [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► reliable internal ports for all these [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► things and while it's great to have the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► versatility of these kind of everything [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► ports now and well it's great to save [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► the the thickness of them if you want to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► thinner laptop it is definitely a step [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► backwards to have to rely on some like [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► 50 cent chip inside of a God knows who [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► made it cable for something that you [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► find pretty important to to getting you [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► worked out well [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► oh ok that's certainly possible but I [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► don't know if the sky is really falling [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► at Chicken Little I mean he is it was [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► well we don't know what the quality of [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► these things is going to be and I think [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► that in general late USB hub is a good [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► counter argument that that I don't have [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► a good answer for but in general [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► well the USB is built-in though that's [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it that's the USB will be inside the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► thing it's when you externalize pci [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► express and say this adapter works by [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► pretending it's like a device on the pci [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► bus and it has a chip for translating [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the video you know pulling the video off [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► and it was that one that like well the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► ipad want like an h.264 encoder sitting [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► in their tiny little iOS device and like [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that kind of stuff goes on that's where [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► you're moving stuff outside u.s. be [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► should be just a matter of everyone [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► please update your connectors not be [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► those big old things like I see I see a [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► light at the end of the tunnel for the [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► USB angle but I see the less light for [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► things like display that goes even [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► something as people mention like [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► ethernet which is very common and [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► standard and you expect to just work but [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► if there has to be a chip in your [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► Ethernet adapter then like Marco said [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► you are kind of at the mercy of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the the quality that after the bright [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► side is it breaks [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► unlike the little chip break on your [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► motherboard you just find the adapter so [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► there's up up and down sides [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► yeah and I'm i don't think that we [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► should go and assume that the quality is [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► going to be subpar right out of the gate [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► and certainly there will be one or two [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► above any kind of device one or two [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► ethernet adapters wanted to SD card [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► readers etcetera that will be crappy but [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► I I don't think it's a bit premature to [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► just assume that anything outside of the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► case is going to be crap and even if [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► there's a glut of things that are crappy [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► I mean that's in principle why amazon [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► has reviews and why you can ask your [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► friends hate does this one work for you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► and hopefully Applewood only carry [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► things that they feel are of a decent [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► quality even if it doesn't have the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► apple logo on it it's certainly possible [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► that this stuff will be crap but I think [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► it's way too soon to get worked up about [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► Apple will make stuff anyway like if you [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► just want the Apple quality ones Apple [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► make them and sell them to you for your [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► way too much money but there's an [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► interesting side effect to that too if [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► you noticed the date outsource a lot of [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► the current ones to belkin like they [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► have outsourced the ethernet belkin i [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► think one learning tool yet the do [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► lightning that horrible split her that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► lets you charge listen to your lighting [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► headphones [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► it's the worst thing ever you feel like [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► 40 bucks for this thing this giant that [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► has to lighting ports out one lightning [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► port in so that you plug into your [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► iphone you have this giant dongle and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► you also have to have the headphone [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► dunkel to plug that into the second pic [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► why couldn't why couldn't they just have [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► it be lightning out and headphone out [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► why did that one less another angle and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► is like I wouldn't mind the chips and [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► the adapters in the external agent [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► external ization of all this of active [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► logic less if it was smaller that [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► adapter in particular is comically large [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► we haven't just like understand you have [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► active logic [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► ideally it would be like the little you [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► know the real lighting the headphone [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► adapter was like I didn't even know [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► there was a chip in there it's so darn [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► small like that's how they should all be [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► when it's a giant white brick then it is [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you know that's it makes me feel bad [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► about external [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► again I assume that stuff will go down [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► over time and they'll shrink and they'll [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► get better and so on and so forth so [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► there is some light at the end of the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► tunnel there but i still do think about [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the pushing of the chips outside of the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► laptop case especially since on a 15 [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► inch laptop that's a pretty big case so [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► at some point if we can't get the world [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► to get on board with putting the ships [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► and their devices and we still have to [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► have an adapter with a dongle it would [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► be nice to maybe move one or two of the [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► most often used ones to the side of that [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► thing or if you're not gonna do that put [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► like three more of those ports on the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► side because there's so much room on the [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► 15-inch macbook pro things looking kinda [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► lonely there with just those two tiny [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► little openings response to this week by [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► eero visit 0 comments eerr dot-com and [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► get overnight shipping at checkout for [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► free by using code ATP 0 is basically [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the Wi-Fi router of the future not the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► past [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► our homes are coming online of speakers [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► thermostats we have light bulbs front [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► door lock security cameras all this [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► stuff that all has Wi-Fi Wi-Fi is [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► probably the technology we depend on the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► most the core of utility of the 21st [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► century home now [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► Wi-Fi is broken because it doesn't [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► really reach your whole house most time [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► with your whole apartment most of the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► time because there's walls there's dead [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► zones that you know you have one room [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► it's too far away from it or whatever [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► else 0 is designed to change all this [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► they make a single device the small [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► elegant box and you can buy any number [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► of these to cover your house you know [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► you can buy just one but they recommend [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that you buy two or three and here's how [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► this works [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► you plug one into your internet [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► connection you plug the other one or two [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► or however many you have just into the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► wall somewhere further away from it and [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► they all talk to each other on a private [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► mesh network which makes them much [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► better than typical range extenders and [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► then they create one giant Wi-Fi network [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► that just blankets your entire place in [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► Wi-Fi and setting this up could not be [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► easier normally you know there have been [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► solutions that are kind of like this for [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► awhile but they've been a pain to set up [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► or they would really depend on things [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► like range sensors which are very very [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► slow here get around this [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► it is not like range extenders because [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► it has that back-end network that talks [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► to it they talk to each other off of the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► regular network so it doesn't clog it up [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► and their app makes set up such a breeze [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► it is so ridiculously easy to set up [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► multiple access points with 0 and then [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► when you have multiple broadcast points [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► your home gets covered so much more [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► effectively than it does you just have [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► one rider no matter how many crazy [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► antennas that router has on it [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► multiple points of Wi-Fi cover your [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► house way better and your that makes so [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► much other stuff easier they have things [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like parental controls they can update [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► their app and add new features all the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► time they do this all the time that [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► they've been 12 updates so far since [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► launch with many more to come check it [TS]

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00:44:53 ◼   ► for an amazing Wi-Fi setup and use code [TS]

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00:44:58 ◼   ► thanks a lot to ero for sponsoring our [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► show since last show [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► Apple has made a very curious move they [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► have cut the prices on us bc peripherals [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► and we'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► to a post on I more from front of the [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► show Rene Ritchie that breaks down kind [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► of the the price changes that have [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► happened and is so as a couple of [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► examples the USBC to traditional USBC [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► went from nineteen dollars to nine [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► dollars the USBC the lightning cable [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► went from $25 to $19 etc etc but what's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► particularly interesting about this is [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► that the LG display's the 4k and 5k [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► displays are also getting discounted I [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► don't recall how much the 5k was before [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► did was like 13 it was 1300 you and now [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it's 974 dollars still not available for [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► order quite yet but it's going to be an [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► understudy for dollars until the end of [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► the year and that's that's how long all [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of these are all these discounts will be [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► going on that's a really interesting [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► move and you know there's lately I feel [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► like there's a pessimistic an optimistic [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► take on this the optimistic take is [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► Apple's listening and they're responding [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► and they're trying to make [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► all of our grumbling go well maybe not [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► go away but make it easier on us for [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► those of us who are professionals or [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► think we're professionals and need all [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► bunch of dongles and so on the plus side [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► apples listening it and they're trying [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► they're trying to react [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that's one way of looking at it and I'm [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► assuming that you guys will have [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► alternative ways of looking at it [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► well it's I think it's a damage control [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► to some degree I think it's pretty clear [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► that that Apple you know release these [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► new macbook pros i think the the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► reaction to the new macbook pros has [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► been less positive that Apple expected i [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► think it's pretty safe to say and you [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► can read between the lines on that and i [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► think phil even came just about to [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► saying that in some interview somewhere [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► basically the reaction has been you know [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► not as positive they wanted and so [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► they're trying to do damage control and [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► that's what you know they begin their [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► statements basically by saying how well [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► this macbook pro is selling that's great [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and all these qualifiers like it's the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► best-selling pro laptop that we've ever [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► had on our website and you know all [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► these qualifiers everything but [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► obviously it's all it's not going to be [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► a flop or anything but they're gonna [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► want to criticism for it so this is [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► obvious damage control and I think you [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► know I think groupers tip their gruesome [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► note about I think I Twitter somewhere [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► was that you know he thinks maybe they [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► don't want it to appear like a [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► money-grab like the reason they moved to [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► us bc they don't want to appear like it [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► was purely for profit reasons to sell a [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► bunch of adapters and stuff and I [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► believe that I i think you know I'm sure [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► Apple is not sorry that they're gonna [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► make a lot more money from him after [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► stuff than before I think that's a happy [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► side effect [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► I don't think that was the primary [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► reason why they did it in the primary [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► reason I did it was to make the laptop [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► thinner lighter and simpler save on [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► component costs in terms of the laptop [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► make it easier to engineer but having to [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► report on the outside easier service [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► fewer things that will die or breaker or [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► have things like a number or you know [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► otherwise need warranty service and then [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► finally of course because they believe [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► in the future whatever I believe those [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► are all reasons why they made only USBC [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► plus a couple headphone jacks why they [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► made those things all the standard ports [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► and nothing else however you [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► could very easily look at this and you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► could say well you know they did this [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► just to make money on adapters so i [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► think that was that was probably one of [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► the things they were trying to combat [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► with this i think they were also just [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► trying to apologize maybe the power [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► users in in a very small and relatively [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► inexpensive inexpensive way that doesn't [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► mean any fault about anything in public [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► it's basically it it's a PR feel good [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► move similar to the free bumper case for [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► the iphone 4 with antennagate like it's [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► a it's a PR like make you feel better [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► and make make it look like we're not [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► just being greedy for adapter prices [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that being said these dongles and stuff [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► are still very expensive like they're [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► still Apple prices but there's still [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► more expensive than they need to be and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► I think it's weird that the price cuts [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► are temporary like that like the fact [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► that it only runs to the end of the year [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► like if they really wanted it to not [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► like it was about dongle profits they [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► should have made the price cuts [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► permanent because these price cuts are [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► not that they don't appear to be [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► unsustainable like like knowing roughly [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► what margins tend to be a retail things [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► like this and and knowing that most of [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► these probably have very few parts of [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► them are probably very inexpensive and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► probably very profitable to begin with [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► it wouldn't surprise me if most of these [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► had at least a fifty percent margin and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► probably a larger one and they've cut [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the prices by like you know twenty five [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► fifty percent basically so I i would be [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► very very surprised if any of these [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► things we're actually losing money at [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► the current prices that's not [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► sustainable by Apple standards because [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► they need forty percent margin on [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► everything i agree that the margins [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► probably weigh over forty percent for [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► accessories and they cut them down to i [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► think is below forty percent although i [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► think they should maybe revisit that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► because if they if they can't make them [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► like if they're getting fifty percent [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► margin on these things they're spending [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► perhaps too much money making them what [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► I'm saying they should make a crappier [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► but it's been fifty percent that was [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► being that was a conservative estimate [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► i'm guessing the margins are more like [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► eighty percent it's there a lot on this [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► kind of stuff usually they they do make [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► like all their stuff they make their [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► even their little adapters very [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► carefully [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► not so much in terms of reliability as a [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► million people who sent us pictures [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► they're totally destroyed [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► thanks mom but in terms of the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► tolerances and industrials on their [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► their precision engine [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► your products there's not a lot of [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► plastic mould lines on them all the [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► edges are straight and crisp they look [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► like little pieces of art which also [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► makes them bad adapters in many cases [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► but understand like its it costs money [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► to do that and and they come in a little [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and the reason I know this is i bought a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► bunch of them i get back to temporary [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► pricing a second they come in little [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► rectangular boxes that are beautiful [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► origami folded and you know they're just [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► they're they're not just like a little [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► plastic bags you get like with amazon [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► basics and the frustration free [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► packaging or just a cable thrown in [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► there right and you know and I guess I [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► did in terms of how they perform as [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► actual adapters I don't think they're [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► actually better than the other ones but [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► I do see that where some of the money is [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► spent on them so i think they would in [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► general they would be better off make [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► finding a way to manufacture their [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► adapters for less money giving up son [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► some of the beauty and elegance and at [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► the same time making them more reliable [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► adapters and the reason I bought a bunch [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► of them is what you're getting at the [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► temporary pricing it's you know if you [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► want a pessimistic take this is what I [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► thought when I thought oh it's nice [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► they're doing something to you know it'd [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► be nice to all those people who are like [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► posting horror stories that i bought in [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► the macbook pro and also $300 of adapter [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► so i could use the damn thing right [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► that's better look for apple so like now [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you don't have to spend $150 of adapters [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► but only until the end of the year so [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► what happens in the year by the end of [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the year has everyone updated all their [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► offices to have connectors that don't [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► require these dongles know they just go [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► back to the old price and the uprising [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► which was really really expensive [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► especially for some of the simpler [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► adapters the reason I bought I bought [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► those uh the USBC to plan all the USBA [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► because that's going to I don't have a [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► computer with ports that require that i [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► got my appletv i suppose i could plug it [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► into what it would do nothing but [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► someday i will have a computer that does [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► that and they were half off basically [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► like nineteen dollars to nine dollars so [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► i bought two of them because i'm going [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► to use them and nine dollars is a price [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► i will pay for that little adapter [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► well i think twenty dollars that adapter [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► hell no i will not pay 2 i'll go to [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► monitor price and find whatever that you [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► know and you know amazonbasics mentioned [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► on I'll find a cheaper one because it's [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► not worth that much my twenty dollars [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► for us bc the USB adapter know so i [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► bought them because they were temporary [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► maybe their system is working to make [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► adding some urgency or whatever but it [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► would be much nicer if they didn't see [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► this as a PR thing that needs to be [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► addressed in the short term but rather [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► as a long-term issue because I think [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► they're going to be selling dongles for [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► a long time and that's going to be [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► factored into the price of people on [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► your laptop especially the next laptop [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that people by after this one because [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► they'll know all when you buy an apple [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► laptop also reserve a hundred and X [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► dollars for dongles maybe more [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► and the price is going to go right back [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► up it's it's not a good [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► it's not a good situation i mean i know [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► they kind of get away with in the iOS [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► devices where it's like about the island [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► so I suppose you want the one with lots [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► of memory was going to a couple hundred [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► bucks and you want applecare and then [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► you want the front case in the back [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► casing your ipad like it adds up really [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► fast but for some reason and maybe this [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► is illogical the adapter seem like you [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► know relatively more expensive and maybe [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► it's because I don't see the little [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► chips in there and don't understand how [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► expensive it is to get them all [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► integrated into that but this is a [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► problem of apples on making NYC third [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► party ones that can come in for less [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► especially for the simpler adapters [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► makes you think the Apple is choosing [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► the wrong trade-offs when it comes to [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► making its own adapters they're too [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► expensive too precious and not sturdy [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► enough it's funny you say that you went [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► and pick some of these up because I my [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► to-do list this week which i haven't had [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► time for is I wanted to go to the apple [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► store and pick up a handful of these [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► adapters because i have the exact same [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► thought I probably won't have a macbook [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► pro or a mac that uses us pc for at [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► least a year or two but but that time [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► will come so why not just pick up a few [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► of these and I intend to do that that [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► very thing sometime soon [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► the reason i'm laughing is that I did [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that very often it was so none of the [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► three of us have one of the macbook pros [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► or have ordered one or likely are [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► planning to buy will you break it you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► briefly ordered one I did and he flipped [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► over and and and i ordered it with two [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► adapters a USBC day and a see the [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► lightning [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► those both shift and arrive before I [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► can't even cancel the laptop so and I'm [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► like well I could return them but well [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► i'm going to use them anyway and then [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the price drop was announced and they [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► credited me to read the difference like [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► okay that's [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► even better and so I went well i bought [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► i now have to see to a adapters [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► the light.the see lightning gigabit [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► ethernet the sandisk card reader and the [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 2 adapter because i have [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► have an external sound device that I [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► that we recorded TP @ WC with its [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► vulnerable and I i think all the exact [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► same calculations as you guys it's like [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► well I'm gonna need these eventually and [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► they're probably not going to get [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► cheaper over time like this its public [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► i'm going to be these suit probably [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► within the next two years i will i will [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► need these adapters and think like [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► things like the see the lightning cable [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► that's just the new lightning cable i [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► need tons of lightning cables they're [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► all over the place like I simply have to [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► pick up one of these at whatever it is [TS]