The Accidental Tech Podcast

194: Dark Night of the Soul


00:00:00   we decided to schedule this week show [TS]

00:00:03   directly against game seven right of the [TS]

00:00:07   baseball series that's world series but [TS]

00:00:09   only in the USA Canada to that doesn't [TS]

00:00:12   really count on the world know they [TS]

00:00:15   should call it the North American minus [TS]

00:00:16   Mexico series i guess you could go that [TS]

00:00:20   way i am currently probably to my own [TS]

00:00:23   peril attempting to log into my slingbox [TS]

00:00:26   from my mac and see if I can turn the [TS]

00:00:29   game on and provide live updates for you [TS]

00:00:31   Marco since i know you are deeply [TS]

00:00:32   concerned about the score of game 7 you [TS]

00:00:34   should so so this is just the basics [TS]

00:00:37   obviously this means that each of the [TS]

00:00:39   teams won three games so they're tied to [TS]

00:00:41   have a tiebreaker game is at that that [TS]

00:00:43   is correct and other than that I'd like [TS]

00:00:45   to do is there anything special about [TS]

00:00:46   how this game works there any rule [TS]

00:00:47   changes like it and after a certain [TS]

00:00:48   score is just a regular game [TS]

00:00:50   I don't think there's any difference now [TS]

00:00:52   ok outside of there's a there's some [TS]

00:00:55   rule i forget what's what but one league [TS]

00:00:58   can do what is a pinch-hitter designated [TS]

00:01:01   hitter something all my god [TS]

00:01:03   designated hitter or something like that [TS]

00:01:04   and one Lee doesn't allow that i believe [TS]

00:01:07   and i never understand the rules behind [TS]

00:01:10   one that's permitted one that isn't it [TS]

00:01:12   now I've heard people tell me that I [TS]

00:01:14   should try to understand the infield fly [TS]

00:01:16   rule is that the difference between the [TS]

00:01:19   American League in the American League [TS]

00:01:20   the National League and no it is not i [TS]

00:01:23   don't believe anyway but yeah so the [TS]

00:01:27   idea is when the whatever legal allows [TS]

00:01:29   for this thing is considered to be at [TS]

00:01:31   home this this hitter thing then they do [TS]

00:01:35   the hitter thing I think it's a [TS]

00:01:36   pinch-hitter is that right [TS]

00:01:37   why am i explaining this I don't know [TS]

00:01:38   what the hell I'm talking about so the [TS]

00:01:40   two USA baseball leagues can't even [TS]

00:01:43   agree on the rules is this like a [TS]

00:01:45   Republican Democrat kind of thing is [TS]

00:01:46   what like what different islands in the [TS]

00:01:48   Galapagos they evolved separately we [TS]

00:01:52   should probably cut all of that because [TS]

00:01:53   that was painful to talk about let alone [TS]

00:01:55   listen to yeah that's probably not going [TS]

00:01:58   the cleveland indians and the Chicago [TS]

00:02:01   Cubs are playing in the final game of [TS]

00:02:03   the world series as we speak and as we [TS]

00:02:05   are recording it is top of 4th it's tied [TS]

00:02:07   one to one and and I don't really have a [TS]

00:02:11   preference he wins I guess the Cubs [TS]

00:02:14   since they haven't wanted forever but [TS]

00:02:16   whatever they really still [TS]

00:02:19   oh my god they're really still called [TS]

00:02:21   the Indians and they really still have [TS]

00:02:23   that logo in 2016 [TS]

00:02:25   that's correct that is rough wow so I'm [TS]

00:02:29   gonna I was gonna give live updates but [TS]

00:02:31   given that having slingplayer running on [TS]

00:02:34   my mac is causing my imac's fans to go [TS]

00:02:36   at full tilt [TS]

00:02:37   I'm just going to go ahead and [TS]

00:02:38   disconnect and turn that off you know [TS]

00:02:39   what it solved here yeah there we go [TS]

00:02:43   tell me Marco would solve that problem [TS]

00:02:45   you know apple still barely does make [TS]

00:02:48   one computer where the difference in fan [TS]

00:02:51   audible noise levels between full load [TS]

00:02:55   and idol is not distinguishable by the [TS]

00:02:58   human ear most of the time in most rooms [TS]

00:02:59   other the macbook adorable that doesn't [TS]

00:03:02   have a fan that one [TS]

00:03:03   mm all right to it can do that is [TS]

00:03:07   because that's always a full but i'll [TS]

00:03:08   just use all use the computer that's [TS]

00:03:10   more modern I'll go get my iPad Mini [TS]

00:03:12   hold on the whole industry before [TS]

00:03:16   barcode i kill each other we should [TS]

00:03:18   probably start with some follow-up and [TS]

00:03:20   there was an interesting thing posted [TS]

00:03:22   over the last few days as one would [TS]

00:03:25   expect the iFixit folks have gotten [TS]

00:03:28   their hands on a macbook escape and it's [TS]

00:03:32   funny that I call it a macbook escaped i [TS]

00:03:33   believe i stole from Marco because on [TS]

00:03:36   that page it says and I'm quoting read [TS]

00:03:40   on for our teardown of the macbook pro [TS]

00:03:42   late 2016 parentheses escape edition [TS]

00:03:44   paranthesis my question to you too is is [TS]

00:03:48   this simultaneous invention or did we [TS]

00:03:50   get an uncredited citation they're like [TS]

00:03:53   is this really our invention that [TS]

00:03:54   they're just not citing us source well [TS]

00:03:56   first of all it's not our invention [TS]

00:03:58   pretty sure it is the invention whoever [TS]

00:04:01   in the chatroom suggested that just [TS]

00:04:03   because we picked out of the chatroom [TS]

00:04:06   the name that we liked and then repeated [TS]

00:04:08   on the [TS]

00:04:08   show does not mean that we invented that [TS]

00:04:10   nature sometimes appropriate there's no [TS]

00:04:12   that's works for ever suggested in the [TS]

00:04:14   chatroom actually coined the term and we [TS]

00:04:17   were merely adopting it for a discussion [TS]

00:04:19   and I'm assuming it's simultaneous but i [TS]

00:04:21   just want to do that but marco was the [TS]

00:04:23   one who pulled out of the chat room and [TS]

00:04:24   i'm assuming marketable that I the chat [TS]

00:04:25   room and didn't invented himself because [TS]

00:04:27   on the show he was reading things that [TS]

00:04:29   room [TS]

00:04:30   yeah it was it before last week's show [TS]

00:04:31   the people in the chat were discussing [TS]

00:04:34   various names and they were calling it [TS]

00:04:36   like escape escape the book pro and [TS]

00:04:38   effing book pro and a few other [TS]

00:04:40   variations i'm not entirely sure who [TS]

00:04:42   said if anyone actually said macbook [TS]

00:04:44   escape as the as the official name but [TS]

00:04:47   well I've been corrected though on on [TS]

00:04:50   Twitter and other places [TS]

00:04:52   apparently the official name for this [TS]

00:04:54   computer is macbook pro in parentheses [TS]

00:04:58   13-inch late 2016 23 bolt three ports [TS]

00:05:02   and parentheses so from now on I have to [TS]

00:05:05   call it that macbook pro 13 nov 2015 23 [TS]

00:05:08   ports not macbook escape because the [TS]

00:05:11   former is a way better name apparently [TS]

00:05:13   I'm disappointed that the name they [TS]

00:05:16   hinted at in the presentation wasn't the [TS]

00:05:18   actual name because they said like with [TS]

00:05:20   the with function keys so is like Magnum [TS]

00:05:22   appropriate seized with function cute [TS]

00:05:24   but that is not obviously the official [TS]

00:05:25   name apparently is the official name is [TS]

00:05:27   that giant mouthful is that even that [TS]

00:05:29   much better though like what would that [TS]

00:05:31   have been like this is still not a name [TS]

00:05:34   that anybody will know the good thing [TS]

00:05:35   about the parentheses with function keys [TS]

00:05:37   you could apply it like any mac model [TS]

00:05:38   that comes with the keyboard with [TS]

00:05:39   function he's on it now you could say [TS]

00:05:41   like you know people extended keyboard [TS]

00:05:42   with function keys exactly like the [TS]

00:05:45   whole reason like you know the reason we [TS]

00:05:46   give this cute name everyone said I [TS]

00:05:48   should stop naming things because [TS]

00:05:50   originally i was one of the people and I [TS]

00:05:52   don't even know how was the first but I [TS]

00:05:53   was a popularizer of the name macbook [TS]

00:05:56   one for the one poor 12-inch MacBook [TS]

00:05:58   when a chemical that is similar problem [TS]

00:06:00   where they release this brand-new [TS]

00:06:01   computer that is radically different [TS]

00:06:03   from everything else they make and it's [TS]

00:06:05   called it macbook and like there was [TS]

00:06:07   already a computer named macbook not [TS]

00:06:09   even that long ago and lots people still [TS]

00:06:10   have them and so like it was it was a [TS]

00:06:13   vague name and ambiguous name and [TS]

00:06:16   everyone was going through his [TS]

00:06:18   contortions online like press articles [TS]

00:06:20   to say like the new [TS]

00:06:21   macbook with the 12 inch retina macbook [TS]

00:06:24   the what macbook with one USB port over [TS]

00:06:26   like everyone's going through this [TS]

00:06:27   contortions trying to unambiguously [TS]

00:06:29   state which computer they were talking [TS]

00:06:31   about because apples names aren't good [TS]

00:06:33   enough like they're not precise enough [TS]

00:06:35   and this is one of those cases to and by [TS]

00:06:37   the way I do regret not calling it the [TS]

00:06:39   macbook to because in so many ways yes [TS]

00:06:42   secretary didn't really like that but i [TS]

00:06:44   have a few people tell me that it's just [TS]

00:06:46   adding confusion because now it sounds [TS]

00:06:48   like it's the sequel or something and [TS]

00:06:49   and and it is a pro yeah well it's an [TS]

00:06:53   air [TS]

00:06:54   I mean really let's be honest it's it's [TS]

00:06:57   a macbook air with retina screen it's at [TS]

00:06:59   once again I wanted that and I said it's [TS]

00:07:00   gonna be amazing it's gonna sell ton of [TS]

00:07:02   them and I stand by that at the early [TS]

00:07:05   reviews say it is pretty good it's not [TS]

00:07:07   as good as I would like it to be in some [TS]

00:07:09   ways but you know overall pretty good i [TS]

00:07:11   think they I think it's probably going [TS]

00:07:14   to be very successful if anybody can [TS]

00:07:16   justify the price hike for it [TS]

00:07:18   that's that's a big if but you know if [TS]

00:07:20   they can do that will be fine but this [TS]

00:07:22   is another of those computers where look [TS]

00:07:24   at the contortions of of how people are [TS]

00:07:26   trying to unambiguously refer to this [TS]

00:07:28   computer in their various reviews and [TS]

00:07:30   press articles and blog posts and tweets [TS]

00:07:31   and there is no good short name for the [TS]

00:07:35   unambiguously says that refers to so I [TS]

00:07:37   stand by my choice to call the macbook [TS]

00:07:39   escape because it is short and and [TS]

00:07:42   fairly unique i don't think anyone could [TS]

00:07:45   ever think that many other computer and [TS]

00:07:47   they might not necessarily know it means [TS]

00:07:48   this one but I think enough geeks know [TS]

00:07:50   enough of our audience knows enough of [TS]

00:07:52   my audience on Twitter and stuff knows [TS]

00:07:53   that i can say macbook one and macbook [TS]

00:07:57   escape and people who the people who are [TS]

00:08:00   listening [TS]

00:08:01   almost all of them will know what i mean [TS]

00:08:02   by that as opposed to saying 13-inch [TS]

00:08:06   macbook pro which now could mean three [TS]

00:08:08   very different computers all of which [TS]

00:08:09   are still for sale [TS]

00:08:11   just wait until next year when they had [TS]

00:08:12   the touch bar to the macbook escape but [TS]

00:08:15   it still has two ports instead of four [TS]

00:08:16   then with that you're going to call [TS]

00:08:18   that's not the macbook escape anymore [TS]

00:08:19   Michael escape with touch bar that's a [TS]

00:08:22   clue [TS]

00:08:23   so I have an important question for you [TS]

00:08:24   Marco are you sticking with the macbook [TS]

00:08:27   one name or are you going to adopt the [TS]

00:08:30   cgpgrey macbook adorable [TS]

00:08:33   if i'm going to call it a name beyond [TS]

00:08:36   its correct name of macbook or 12 inch [TS]

00:08:38   macbook then i'm going to call it a [TS]

00:08:40   netbook one it's been around longer [TS]

00:08:43   I is probably I think it's more [TS]

00:08:45   recognizable and I think it's like [TS]

00:08:47   honestly I think it's a better name [TS]

00:08:48   sorry great but it's less of a value [TS]

00:08:51   judgment to yeah exactly i'm but I mean [TS]

00:08:54   you know it really simply speaking like [TS]

00:08:55   it has now been well you know that [TS]

00:08:57   computer came out about what a [TS]

00:08:58   year-and-a-half ago almost two years ago [TS]

00:08:59   it has now been long enough that i will [TS]

00:09:02   fairly soon not need to call the macbook [TS]

00:09:05   one anymore that I might even be not [TS]

00:09:08   like because you only need these these [TS]

00:09:10   like pet names when Apple's regular [TS]

00:09:13   names like are still ambiguous and [TS]

00:09:15   confusing in people's minds when this [TS]

00:09:17   for when the macbook one first came out [TS]

00:09:19   and it's called a macbook again like [TS]

00:09:20   lots of people still had memories of the [TS]

00:09:23   regular macbook and what was called that [TS]

00:09:25   not that long ago ever want to talk [TS]

00:09:27   about the new computer and there was no [TS]

00:09:29   good way to and unambiguously do that [TS]

00:09:30   but now if you say if you say the [TS]

00:09:34   macbook now that's still honestly does [TS]

00:09:37   kind of refer to the whole family out to [TS]

00:09:38   some degree and people might be confused [TS]

00:09:40   a little bit by that but if you just say [TS]

00:09:42   macbook or you could say 12-inch MacBook [TS]

00:09:43   I think you're okay for the most part [TS]

00:09:46   now so i probably won't need to use the [TS]

00:09:48   name macbook one much anymore i might [TS]

00:09:51   use anyway because i like it but I don't [TS]

00:09:53   think I really need to end much anymore [TS]

00:09:55   whereas referring to the macbook pro [TS]

00:09:59   13-inch late 2016 to thermal three ports [TS]

00:10:01   is still in need of a nice short [TS]

00:10:05   unambiguous name that's terrible [TS]

00:10:08   alright moving on marketing rights and [TS]

00:10:10   to tell us that when John speaks of [TS]

00:10:12   millions of millennials typing on a [TS]

00:10:14   screen that actually includes mark when [TS]

00:10:16   I strictly speaking of and marc has [TS]

00:10:18   cited some thing on wikipedia which [TS]

00:10:21   means it must be true and Millennials [TS]

00:10:24   apparently start with those born in 1982 [TS]

00:10:27   and I speak for marketing saying both of [TS]

00:10:28   us are were born in nineteen eighty-two [TS]

00:10:30   so strictly speaking we are old [TS]

00:10:32   Millennials see that's BS though like [TS]

00:10:35   the Generalissimo when I i feel like you [TS]

00:10:38   know generations don't just flip on a [TS]

00:10:40   dime on December 31st at New Year's like [TS]

00:10:42   that after you two were born that was [TS]

00:10:45   that they close the door like our well i [TS]

00:10:47   was gonna say this is like the Upstate [TS]

00:10:48   of like dove time or generations right [TS]

00:10:51   you know it's always the people younger [TS]

00:10:52   than you that are that are the [TS]

00:10:54   Millennials and so I actually do agree [TS]

00:10:56   with Marco I don't feel like I qualifies [TS]

00:10:58   this entitled self-obsessed generation [TS]

00:11:01   says the guy on his podcast but I don't [TS]

00:11:05   think it's too far after we were born i [TS]

00:11:07   would probably put it like 1990 ish but [TS]

00:11:10   whatever the baby boomers or [TS]

00:11:12   self-obsessed the the Millennials aren't [TS]

00:11:14   self-obsessed when the Millennials are [TS]

00:11:16   are coddled and overconfident and have [TS]

00:11:19   never had to try for I think those are [TS]

00:11:21   the stereotypes and jen xri disaffected [TS]

00:11:23   and cynical and terrible [TS]

00:11:25   yeah I guess it's very well anyway so [TS]

00:11:27   yeah apparently mark and I are strictly [TS]

00:11:29   speaking Millennials which is a [TS]

00:11:30   interesting and perhaps they have [TS]

00:11:32   realization for the two about the [TS]

00:11:34   problem is there has that whatever name [TS]

00:11:35   for the generations that are younger [TS]

00:11:37   than Millennials like this competition [TS]

00:11:39   for what those names we called please [TS]

00:11:40   don't send us the a million names you've [TS]

00:11:42   heard we can look them up to [TS]

00:11:44   but anyway one hasn't won yet so 12 name [TS]

00:11:47   wins it will be more convenient when we [TS]

00:11:49   want to make fun of the youngins to use [TS]

00:11:50   that name I use Millennials because to [TS]

00:11:52   me they are the youngins but this person [TS]

00:11:54   is right you two are my nails as well I [TS]

00:11:57   see I I feel like when you know [TS]

00:11:59   generations are kind of like they're [TS]

00:12:01   kind of like a like a bell curve shape [TS]

00:12:02   as the time goes on like it defines a [TS]

00:12:04   certain era but as you get close to the [TS]

00:12:06   edges of the boundaries of the areas [TS]

00:12:09   they become a lot less clearly defined [TS]

00:12:11   so if you stay here forever and honestly [TS]

00:12:13   I think for a generation with this [TS]

00:12:14   stupid but if you're going to refer to [TS]

00:12:16   them I feel like if you say millennial [TS]

00:12:19   you're referring to kind of like the the [TS]

00:12:21   hump the peak of that wave and so by [TS]

00:12:24   calling us any of the generations when [TS]

00:12:26   we are literally the boundary year [TS]

00:12:29   between 220-year lon generation since I [TS]

00:12:33   feel like it doesn't really say anything [TS]

00:12:35   like are we really that different from [TS]

00:12:36   the people who are literally six months [TS]

00:12:38   over the most like not really you know [TS]

00:12:40   so it's the when you get towards the [TS]

00:12:41   edges it doesn't really mean much but [TS]

00:12:43   refer to generations at all is kinda [TS]

00:12:45   dumb and is only used for people to like [TS]

00:12:47   yell about how we're the kids are these [TS]

00:12:49   days that's exactly how we're using it [TS]

00:12:52   though and that is that is the point [TS]

00:12:53   yeah all right now William radish road [TS]

00:12:56   in and pointed out to us [TS]

00:12:57   hi [TS]

00:12:58   exactly the context but I think maybe it [TS]

00:13:01   was marco was saying no you know I don't [TS]

00:13:03   need a super-fast GPU or something that [TS]

00:13:05   somebody was saying something along [TS]

00:13:06   those lines sort of us and and William [TS]

00:13:09   rights in to say well you may not think [TS]

00:13:12   you need to superfast GPU because you're [TS]

00:13:13   maybe not playing games or anything like [TS]

00:13:15   that but its GPU used by the same image [TS]

00:13:18   editing apps to do some of the [TS]

00:13:20   calculations required in order to mess [TS]

00:13:23   with your pictures taken on your camera [TS]

00:13:25   that's all gpu-based is it not [TS]

00:13:28   well some of it is and it isn't to say [TS]

00:13:31   that it doesn't matter but much of it is [TS]

00:13:34   still very much CPU bound and the things [TS]

00:13:37   that are generally where I spend most of [TS]

00:13:39   my time waiting for the cpu are are not [TS]

00:13:42   the things that usually helping with you [TS]

00:13:44   know i mean i still i have my imac with [TS]

00:13:47   this is a fancy GPU i have my 15-inch [TS]

00:13:50   macbook pro at the fancy GPU and they do [TS]

00:13:53   things at roughly the same speed like in [TS]

00:13:55   Lightroom with the same kind of files [TS]

00:13:57   like it's not the imax should be its GPU [TS]

00:14:00   is really helping the things that I'm [TS]

00:14:01   waiting on the imac should be way faster [TS]

00:14:03   than the macbook pro but it's not it's [TS]

00:14:05   it's similar speeds so and annie and i [TS]

00:14:07   can look I can see istat menus that all [TS]

00:14:10   the cpu cores are being pegged during [TS]

00:14:12   this operation I'm waiting for [TS]

00:14:13   so really it's you know it might help [TS]

00:14:16   many too many operations of stuff but [TS]

00:14:18   the things i'm complaining about it [TS]

00:14:21   doesn't really help and again it's nice [TS]

00:14:23   to have but you know not necessarily at [TS]

00:14:26   certain costs in certain roles so it may [TS]

00:14:29   know my argument last week was that I [TS]

00:14:31   wish they had a GPU the basically the no [TS]

00:14:33   GPU option in the 15-inch still there [TS]

00:14:36   appear to be good reasons why they don't [TS]

00:14:38   anymore like related to intel's [TS]

00:14:40   integrated GPU being not as good anymore [TS]

00:14:42   I in those quad-core configs whatever i [TS]

00:14:45   don't know i don't know details of that [TS]

00:14:45   but something like that but anyway I I [TS]

00:14:50   regret that they don't have the option [TS]

00:14:51   of no discrete GPU anymore but oh well [TS]

00:14:54   what you can do that that's kind of my [TS]

00:14:57   attitude about macbook pro in general is [TS]

00:14:58   oh well what we gonna do because it's [TS]

00:15:01   like there's so much about that's a [TS]

00:15:03   little bit weirder off or not quite for [TS]

00:15:05   me [TS]

00:15:06   we'll get to it [TS]

00:15:07   and we will respond to this week by [TS]

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00:15:15   right now to claim a free trial set and [TS]

00:15:17   free post shave balm that's Harry's [TS]

00:15:19   dot-com / ATP Harry's is the best value [TS]

00:15:22   inn razor blades in my opinion now big [TS]

00:15:26   razor companies they have this annoying [TS]

00:15:27   habit of putting out new models every [TS]

00:15:30   few years and raising their already high [TS]

00:15:31   prices even higher [TS]

00:15:33   unlike them Harry's is not believe it up [TS]

00:15:35   charging which is why they made their [TS]

00:15:37   razors even better and they're keeping [TS]

00:15:39   prices exactly the same and hairy cells [TS]

00:15:42   five blade razor cartridges similar to [TS]

00:15:44   what you might have seen from big brands [TS]

00:15:45   they now include a softer flex hinge for [TS]

00:15:49   more comfortable glide nature blade for [TS]

00:15:51   hard-to-reach places a lubricating strip [TS]

00:15:53   any textured handle for more control [TS]

00:15:55   when it's wet and this is still the [TS]

00:15:57   amazing value have always been just two [TS]

00:15:59   dollars per blade compared to four [TS]

00:16:02   dollars or more you'll pay for the big [TS]

00:16:03   brands and by only the factory in [TS]

00:16:05   Germany where they make the blades [TS]

00:16:07   Harry's can produce high-quality razors [TS]

00:16:08   themselves sell them online for half the [TS]

00:16:11   price and it comes all the conveniences [TS]

00:16:12   of online shopping [TS]

00:16:14   you don't have to like go to a drugstore [TS]

00:16:15   get into the anti shoplifting case and [TS]

00:16:17   like that and you can just order what [TS]

00:16:20   you want and gets delivered to you [TS]

00:16:21   they have great customer service if you [TS]

00:16:23   ever need it it's wonderful [TS]

00:16:25   check out Harry's two dollars per blade [TS]

00:16:27   and this is not a safety razor blade i [TS]

00:16:29   have used those they're fine but I'm a [TS]

00:16:31   big fan of the five blade razor [TS]

00:16:33   cartridge that simple as that that's [TS]

00:16:35   what I like Harry's is the best value in [TS]

00:16:38   that business [TS]

00:16:38   bar none two dollars per plate cartridge [TS]

00:16:41   so go to Harry's calm / ATP to learn one [TS]

00:16:44   of the special offer for fans of the [TS]

00:16:46   show you get a bottle of Harry's post [TS]

00:16:48   shave balm added to your order for free [TS]

00:16:50   by visiting harrods.com / ATP go there [TS]

00:16:54   today and get your free trial set and [TS]

00:16:56   you're free post shave balm once again [TS]

00:16:58   Harry's calm / ATP thanks a lot too [TS]

00:17:01   hairy for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:17:05   alright moving on a few people have [TS]

00:17:09   written into say that there are [TS]

00:17:10   forthcoming external GPU boxes for new [TS]

00:17:14   macbook pros so bizon tech apologize but [TS]

00:17:19   pronounced that wrong has a bison box [TS]

00:17:21   three external graphics card for mac [TS]

00:17:24   turn your back into a powerful [TS]

00:17:25   workstation up to 10x boost in games and [TS]

00:17:27   professional apps and so this looks like [TS]

00:17:29   almost a mini towers just box it looks [TS]

00:17:33   quite large i'm sure it's actually not [TS]

00:17:34   that you can sit adjacent to your [TS]

00:17:37   macbook pro and connect via presumably [TS]

00:17:40   thunderball three and put any number of [TS]

00:17:43   different gpus in it you can spend 21 or [TS]

00:17:46   no I'm sorry [TS]

00:17:47   27 yeah twenty-seven hundred dollars on [TS]

00:17:51   a box that has a graphics card in it in [TS]

00:17:55   that graphics card only apparently has [TS]

00:17:56   windows support but nonetheless you [TS]

00:17:58   could spend basically half a macbook pro [TS]

00:18:01   again getting an external graphics card [TS]

00:18:04   so John is this your solution to an [TS]

00:18:06   excellent mac-based gaming platform they [TS]

00:18:10   have been a bunch of external GPU [TS]

00:18:13   options ever since the the advent of [TS]

00:18:15   Thunderbolt and there are two main [TS]

00:18:18   problems is one is not probably not a [TS]

00:18:20   problem anymore but used to be back in [TS]

00:18:22   the early days of thunder bolt and that [TS]

00:18:23   is that although Thunderbolts basically [TS]

00:18:25   gives you the ability to have sort of [TS]

00:18:27   you know pci bus that extends outside [TS]

00:18:29   your computer hit the original [TS]

00:18:31   Thunderbolt did not have as many lanes [TS]

00:18:34   as top and graphic cards took when you [TS]

00:18:37   plug them into like a gaming pc your pc [TS]

00:18:39   or something and that only matters if [TS]

00:18:40   you were gonna actually use all that [TS]

00:18:41   bandwidth between the card and the cpu [TS]

00:18:43   and everything and you could argue that [TS]

00:18:44   it would make a difference and you can't [TS]

00:18:46   measure ever go back in the day the [TS]

00:18:47   battle is insufficient i'm assuming with [TS]

00:18:49   Thunderbolt 3 that is either close [TS]

00:18:51   enough not to matter anymore and [TS]

00:18:53   surpassed its not a problem anymore but [TS]

00:18:54   the real problem with external GPU [TS]

00:18:56   solutions for me personally why I'm not [TS]

00:18:58   interested in them is because i have no [TS]

00:19:00   faith that Apple supports them in any [TS]

00:19:03   way shape or form [TS]

00:19:04   bingo and it's not that I need apple to [TS]

00:19:07   make the box I just need apple to say oh [TS]

00:19:10   yeah this is a thing you can do with [TS]

00:19:12   your mac i do not doubt that they can [TS]

00:19:14   get this to work and i do not doubt that [TS]

00:19:16   Apple has built support for external [TS]

00:19:18   cpus into the operating system is [TS]

00:19:19   letting them do this what I doubt is is [TS]

00:19:23   this going to be a supportive [TS]

00:19:24   configuration for me some OS update [TS]

00:19:26   going to get rid of it is it like [TS]

00:19:27   especially we're going to spend you know [TS]

00:19:28   eight hundred dollars for a really fancy [TS]

00:19:30   GPU is it a thing that's going to be [TS]

00:19:34   useful for its purpose like I don't want [TS]

00:19:35   to buy it and then two years later like [TS]

00:19:37   I can't use it anymore because the [TS]

00:19:39   drivers aren't supported or some bug or [TS]

00:19:41   some new kernel changing out like i need [TS]

00:19:43   apples blessing essentially for me to [TS]

00:19:44   feel safe to pursue this because it you [TS]

00:19:46   know otherwise but i'm just making a [TS]

00:19:47   gaming pc like it at least then I know [TS]

00:19:49   that some supported by everybody and [TS]

00:19:50   it's just my own my own challenge to a [TS]

00:19:53   battle and get to work or you know I [TS]

00:19:55   have a good driver updates from the the [TS]

00:19:56   video card company so I'm personally [TS]

00:19:58   very wary of solutions like this because [TS]

00:20:01   i say as i sit in front of my [TS]

00:20:02   eight-year-old computer because I like [TS]

00:20:04   to you know use things for a long time [TS]

00:20:07   and I really do want Apple to bless them [TS]

00:20:09   in some way doesn't just blessing for [TS]

00:20:11   apple doesn't mean it's going to be [TS]

00:20:12   supported forever obviously but at least [TS]

00:20:14   I'll know that I'm not more on the [TS]

00:20:15   fringes for other people who have a you [TS]

00:20:18   know a lesser version to risk your [TS]

00:20:20   interested in trying something cool this [TS]

00:20:21   definitely looks interesting and I would [TS]

00:20:23   probably do this if I was more of a [TS]

00:20:25   hobbyist hardware tinker but right now [TS]

00:20:28   i'm not interested in external gpus [TS]

00:20:30   until Apple gives me the not about them [TS]

00:20:32   honestly if I was more of a hobbyist [TS]

00:20:34   hardware tinker I just build a [TS]

00:20:36   hackintosh or as you said just build a [TS]

00:20:38   gaming pc like that because you do most [TS]

00:20:41   your gaming and windows anyway right but [TS]

00:20:44   yeah so this is the the other angle is [TS]

00:20:47   like the thing that's cool about is not [TS]

00:20:48   here I get to have a cool GPU is the [TS]

00:20:50   cool thing is you get to have a laptop [TS]

00:20:51   that works pretty well that you can also [TS]

00:20:54   sit down [TS]

00:20:54   plop it down your desk and suddenly [TS]

00:20:56   becomes way more powerful like so it's [TS]

00:20:57   the the hybrids kind of like the old [TS]

00:20:59   thunderbolt display with the laptop like [TS]

00:21:01   you could just buy two separate machines [TS]

00:21:03   but it's kind of neat to have one [TS]

00:21:04   machine with all your stuff on it [TS]

00:21:06   suddenly gets amazing new capabilities [TS]

00:21:07   when you sit down you disconnect little [TS]

00:21:09   skinny wire that is the for me the novel [TS]

00:21:11   interesting hardware hacker angle not [TS]

00:21:14   just the fact that you can have a good [TS]

00:21:15   GPU because you're right you just get a [TS]

00:21:16   game if you just want to keep you get a [TS]

00:21:18   gaming pc and there you go it's it's the [TS]

00:21:20   you know that the novelty of having [TS]

00:21:23   external powerful things enhancing the [TS]

00:21:25   power of your laptops and tons of pc [TS]

00:21:26   laptops to this as well this is not [TS]

00:21:28   a unique thing to happen anything like [TS]

00:21:30   that it's just you know Apple as far as [TS]

00:21:32   I'm aware has never even acknowledged [TS]

00:21:34   this is a thing which is really weird [TS]

00:21:35   considering they have to provide some [TS]

00:21:36   support for it to work at all [TS]

00:21:39   yeah i mean that this the story that we [TS]

00:21:41   get from like people like a tipster and [TS]

00:21:43   other various sources it really does [TS]

00:21:45   sound like Apple really did do like all [TS]

00:21:48   of the work necessary to make their own [TS]

00:21:50   5k display and at some point they were [TS]

00:21:53   probably planning on it to be a product [TS]

00:21:55   and so they they put all this work to [TS]

00:21:57   make the mat to make Sierra support this [TS]

00:22:00   kind of display over this kind of cable [TS]

00:22:02   make it support external gpus over that [TS]

00:22:04   kind of cable and everything else and [TS]

00:22:06   then instead now they basically give it [TS]

00:22:10   all the LG who was probably making the [TS]

00:22:11   panel for it to begin with LG ships that [TS]

00:22:14   is their monitor and apples tells you [TS]

00:22:17   like to tell it secondhand on twitter [TS]

00:22:19   that they're a display business that's [TS]

00:22:22   something that's the future followed by [TS]

00:22:23   then we will discuss its the event this [TS]

00:22:25   whole it's a weird story I there has to [TS]

00:22:27   be something more to it than that is a [TS]

00:22:29   weird story I i will just stay here in [TS]

00:22:31   case you don't get to it again that I [TS]

00:22:33   think the idea of of giving of hand this [TS]

00:22:35   over to LG and telling people oh if you [TS]

00:22:37   want what was basically the Apple 5k [TS]

00:22:39   display you have to now buy it from LG [TS]

00:22:41   that's not as good that's not good [TS]

00:22:43   that's not a very good solution because [TS]

00:22:44   then that means that we have to order [TS]

00:22:47   from LG we have to get LG's warranty on [TS]

00:22:52   it we have to get LG support if anything [TS]

00:22:54   goes wrong and all of the end of course [TS]

00:22:57   you know LG's exterior casing which is [TS]

00:22:59   kind of videos and all of that is worse [TS]

00:23:02   than if we would have just bought it [TS]

00:23:04   from apple [TS]

00:23:04   I'm so it's it's not a great situation [TS]

00:23:07   like one person on Twitter point I'm [TS]

00:23:09   sorry forgot I forgot who was like it up [TS]

00:23:12   till now or up until one Apple stop [TS]

00:23:14   selling the Thunderbolt Display few [TS]

00:23:16   months ago if you bought a mac and the [TS]

00:23:19   Thunderbolt Display and applecare for [TS]

00:23:21   the mac the applecare also cover the [TS]

00:23:23   display so you you had your monitor [TS]

00:23:25   covered for three years just like you [TS]

00:23:27   had a computer which three years [TS]

00:23:29   warranty on / monitors is usually not [TS]

00:23:31   what they go for I think usually your [TS]

00:23:32   one year for most things like that and [TS]

00:23:34   so again it's just late and everything [TS]

00:23:36   everyone wrong with it as John you know [TS]

00:23:38   you could bring it to an apple store and [TS]

00:23:40   you could have you could have them do [TS]

00:23:41   you could ship it apple and now like [TS]

00:23:43   when it sold by somebody else especially [TS]

00:23:45   something like LG who has like pretty [TS]

00:23:46   miserable service in most things then [TS]

00:23:48   you have to you know called [TS]

00:23:51   god-knows-who ship it god-knows-where [TS]

00:23:53   pay god knows what with God knows how [TS]

00:23:55   long to get back and it's it's not [TS]

00:23:58   nearly as nice as if Apple was just sold [TS]

00:24:01   this themselves and so I do kind of I i [TS]

00:24:06   I'm a little scared for apples featured [TS]

00:24:09   a dedication to desktops if only because [TS]

00:24:12   that seems like a really weird move if [TS]

00:24:14   you care about things like the mac pro [TS]

00:24:15   at all [TS]

00:24:17   well we don't know how long i'll just [TS]

00:24:18   warrant is for all we know they have a [TS]

00:24:19   10-year warranty enough so but what I [TS]

00:24:23   don't entirely get what makes this new [TS]

00:24:25   display so unique because when i was [TS]

00:24:29   looking at getting potentially a monitor [TS]

00:24:32   for work before i got that 4k that i'm [TS]

00:24:34   using now I was looking at the dell 5k [TS]

00:24:37   and that works with like my existing [TS]

00:24:40   macbook pro that's a few months old now [TS]

00:24:42   on one cable so why was it so special [TS]

00:24:45   that that this LG like they were made a [TS]

00:24:48   big deal about it being over one cable [TS]

00:24:49   it what am I missing here is it seems [TS]

00:24:51   like this is something we could already [TS]

00:24:52   do [TS]

00:24:53   all right over for setting this up we'll [TS]

00:24:54   move it up and we'll talk about it now [TS]

00:24:56   oh you're breaking that you're breaking [TS]

00:24:58   the flow of what I wanted to talk about [TS]

00:25:00   in the other 1i which actually made [TS]

00:25:01   sense but that's a that's my job huh [TS]

00:25:02   that's fine i got up for what you just [TS]

00:25:06   alluded to the 5k display is that nearly [TS]

00:25:08   patel tweeted and then just was recorded [TS]

00:25:12   a bunch of places that Apple confirmed [TS]

00:25:14   to him though they're out of the sand on [TS]

00:25:16   display business and that night that [TS]

00:25:20   after i heard that treat I had I would [TS]

00:25:22   have trouble getting to sleep because i [TS]

00:25:23   was so upset about the prospect of there [TS]

00:25:25   being no apple monitor but it was [TS]

00:25:27   totally are you serious I'm serious but [TS]

00:25:30   i was also upset about what had gone [TS]

00:25:33   down that day because here's the deal [TS]

00:25:35   like everything marcasite about album [TS]

00:25:36   ours is true in this like the reason i [TS]

00:25:37   buy them and you know I like out the [TS]

00:25:39   case looks like how its warranty is part [TS]

00:25:41   about like everything matches are all [TS]

00:25:42   silly reasons but it's like that's why [TS]

00:25:44   that's why by Max and part of the reason [TS]

00:25:46   I max I like all this looks together and [TS]

00:25:51   so I don't like the idea there's not [TS]

00:25:52   going to be not monitor [TS]

00:25:54   but what really bugs me is that apple [TS]

00:26:00   wood back channel on background send me [TS]

00:26:04   off the record whatever confirm secretly [TS]

00:26:08   conveyed by tweet that they're not [TS]

00:26:10   making monitors anymore they're out of [TS]

00:26:12   the standalone display business if Apple [TS]

00:26:13   is going to be adding standalone display [TS]

00:26:14   business they should say so as a company [TS]

00:26:17   like you don't have to say we're never [TS]

00:26:19   gonna make one in a million years but [TS]

00:26:21   just say don't wait for us to release a [TS]

00:26:24   5k monitor because we have no plans to [TS]

00:26:27   do so this is the one I don't understand [TS]

00:26:29   why Apple can't just say that instead [TS]

00:26:31   they have to do this thing which is like [TS]

00:26:33   well how much do I trust that do I can i [TS]

00:26:36   find my own back channels into someone [TS]

00:26:38   who still spoke to someone who knows [TS]

00:26:39   something and Apple to tell us all you [TS]

00:26:40   know we're not making them anymore i [TS]

00:26:42   know the apples friends is that here's a [TS]

00:26:43   great LG monitor just do it right [TS]

00:26:46   I feel like there should be doesn't have [TS]

00:26:48   to be in the keynote but it should be on [TS]

00:26:51   the record statements from apple like [TS]

00:26:54   not just one of them are not just a [TS]

00:26:55   little turbulence it should be common [TS]

00:26:57   knowledge just like it's common [TS]

00:26:58   knowledge that he's selling a new line [TS]

00:26:59   of computers also say and by the way [TS]

00:27:01   Apple like like an apple off the printer [TS]

00:27:03   business didn't like just stop making [TS]

00:27:05   printers and just tell people about the [TS]

00:27:07   printers but then that will say guess [TS]

00:27:09   what Apple's not making printers anymore [TS]

00:27:10   like that wasn't a secret mystery [TS]

00:27:11   everybody knew you know what that [TS]

00:27:14   bothers me immensely [TS]

00:27:15   so anyway also because the news is bad [TS]

00:27:17   and part of me still wants to cling to [TS]

00:27:20   the idea that like maybe they'll change [TS]

00:27:21   their mind next year and that's why [TS]

00:27:23   they're not saying anything [TS]

00:27:24   blah blah as for the specific the LG [TS]

00:27:27   thing i really want someone to tell one [TS]

00:27:28   of these apart because we don't know [TS]

00:27:30   what's inside there is there a GPU [TS]

00:27:31   inside there that is communicating with [TS]

00:27:33   through these new features Sierra or is [TS]

00:27:34   there not to get the cases question is [TS]

00:27:37   you know multi-stream multiple no [TS]

00:27:40   displayport 1.2 streams are some other [TS]

00:27:43   technique to drive a big monitor is that [TS]

00:27:46   what the deal was using cuz I don't [TS]

00:27:47   think Apple invented this multi-stream [TS]

00:27:49   thing maybe it's just a standard that [TS]

00:27:50   existed and this is the first time Apple [TS]

00:27:51   supporting into their notebooks or is it [TS]

00:27:54   this weird external GPU thing we don't [TS]

00:27:56   know [TS]

00:27:57   as for random stuff the tips to promise [TS]

00:27:59   a hub that has never been delivered said [TS]

00:28:01   about how about how the Duchess now just [TS]

00:28:05   not saying they'll uses two cables and [TS]

00:28:06   it's very buggy any [TS]

00:28:07   I about this display with the the GPU [TS]

00:28:10   order [TS]

00:28:10   well you know the Apple Apple didn't [TS]

00:28:12   ship that so like and i can say we've [TS]

00:28:17   gotten conflicting reports of what [TS]

00:28:18   exactly apple has ever plan to ship or [TS]

00:28:21   you know or anything like that [TS]

00:28:23   I this is this all just random here so [TS]

00:28:25   all we have to go on is what what Apple [TS]

00:28:27   actually delivers as products and and [TS]

00:28:32   what they say publicly and right now [TS]

00:28:34   they're not delivering a monitor and [TS]

00:28:35   they're sort of semi kind of probably [TS]

00:28:37   saying that I'm making monitors anymore [TS]

00:28:38   we're just hugely disappointing because [TS]

00:28:40   i think that almost as much as not [TS]

00:28:43   updating the mac pro in three years is [TS]

00:28:46   sort of a abandonment of one particular [TS]

00:28:51   market segment this segment that the [TS]

00:28:54   segment that buys you know signifies the [TS]

00:28:57   mac pro basically like it's it's all [TS]

00:28:58   part of the same thing as saying we're [TS]

00:29:01   not going to make a standalone monitor [TS]

00:29:02   and if we ever make another mac pro just [TS]

00:29:05   count your lucky stars and you're gonna [TS]

00:29:06   have to find another monitor for because [TS]

00:29:07   you don't care about like and in the [TS]

00:29:10   many of the same thing [TS]

00:29:11   it's kind of like saying the desktop Mac [TS]

00:29:13   experience is the imac and other [TS]

00:29:15   computers if we decide to make them or [TS]

00:29:17   not that's fine like i don't understand [TS]

00:29:18   how Apple can be so dedicated to the mac [TS]

00:29:22   as it claims to be unless their [TS]

00:29:24   conception of the mac does not include [TS]

00:29:26   anything that doesn't come with a [TS]

00:29:27   monitor which is that may be the case [TS]

00:29:29   but like for me as a fan of max don't [TS]

00:29:31   come with monitors for a variety of [TS]

00:29:32   reasons canceling the monitor for me [TS]

00:29:35   made me feel worse than not doing the [TS]

00:29:37   mac pro for three years like it made me [TS]

00:29:39   for the first time really truly doubt [TS]

00:29:41   whether they were ever going to make [TS]

00:29:44   another mac pro I don't care about the [TS]

00:29:45   money like canceling the monitor that to [TS]

00:29:48   me so here I am saying there's not gonna [TS]

00:29:50   be any more displays right and many [TS]

00:29:52   people point out like how can you [TS]

00:29:54   believe the tipster is obviously all [TS]

00:29:55   completely false information whatever I [TS]

00:29:56   mean the tipster i don't i don't care [TS]

00:29:58   whatever he's just it's fun diversion [TS]

00:30:00   but finding out from three million patel [TS]

00:30:03   through tweet from Apple back channels [TS]

00:30:05   that Apple itself is telling people [TS]

00:30:07   you're out of the sand on display [TS]

00:30:09   business just crushed me [TS]

00:30:10   it crushed me to the point where i was [TS]

00:30:12   immediately trying to consider if they [TS]

00:30:14   come out with another mac pro I don't [TS]

00:30:16   think i'm going to buy one [TS]

00:30:17   I should just get an imac [TS]

00:30:19   cannot live in a world right I'm gonna [TS]

00:30:21   wait until june next year to get a new [TS]

00:30:23   mac pro and then connect the third ugly [TS]

00:30:26   third-party fivehead monitor to it [TS]

00:30:28   I don't know if I could do it and I was [TS]

00:30:30   like well if you can't do it then what [TS]

00:30:31   are you waiting for one you just buy an [TS]

00:30:32   imac why you sitting in front of the [TS]

00:30:33   ancient computer it's lower than your [TS]

00:30:35   phone now it's just ridiculous [TS]

00:30:36   just know this this monitor thing is [TS]

00:30:39   totally destroyed me [TS]

00:30:40   so you're saying in in this hypothetical [TS]

00:30:43   world where they release a new mac pro [TS]

00:30:47   let's just go just completely out of [TS]

00:30:49   left field let's say they bring back the [TS]

00:30:51   cheese grater but new insides [TS]

00:30:53   everything's modern and beautiful and [TS]

00:30:56   the fans are silent and everything is [TS]

00:30:59   perfect and it's made for John siracusa [TS]

00:31:02   but because there's no apple external [TS]

00:31:05   display you would not buy that [TS]

00:31:06   hypothetical computer that's what you're [TS]

00:31:08   saying I'd have to think about my guess [TS]

00:31:09   is this is what i was up at night [TS]

00:31:11   thinking about it like what can I do it [TS]

00:31:12   and I got to say it's mostly also [TS]

00:31:14   because i know that there's no prospect [TS]

00:31:16   of any mac pro until a long time from [TS]

00:31:18   now like that it'll be even more waiting [TS]

00:31:20   if they came out with the mac pro [TS]

00:31:21   tomorrow like I would be less upset but [TS]

00:31:22   I know there's no macro coming out [TS]

00:31:23   tomorrow [TS]

00:31:24   no my proton next week no mac pro coming [TS]

00:31:26   out next month it's going to be another [TS]

00:31:28   long wait and I don't you know I've been [TS]

00:31:31   waiting a really long time right I don't [TS]

00:31:33   know if I can wait that long for the [TS]

00:31:35   reward at the end of it to be whatever [TS]

00:31:37   the hell decided the mac pro is now and [TS]

00:31:40   oh by the way find some monitor you can [TS]

00:31:41   use with good luck [TS]

00:31:42   I don't like it you're saying that you [TS]

00:31:45   wouldn't buy this perfect John siracusa [TS]

00:31:48   mac that I've just invented a thin air [TS]

00:31:49   because you don't like the look of the [TS]

00:31:52   LG monitor I possible it's possible that [TS]

00:31:55   does not compute in my mind is all parts [TS]

00:31:58   for this thing I have never had a [TS]

00:32:00   non-apple monitor I've always had a [TS]

00:32:02   series of Apple monitors John let me [TS]

00:32:04   give you a hint it it's okay they do [TS]

00:32:07   they aren't as pretty in terms of the [TS]

00:32:08   bozell or bezel depending on who you're [TS]

00:32:10   talking went with but they work just [TS]

00:32:13   fine and in fact in some ways I prefer [TS]

00:32:16   my LG monitor work because it's much [TS]

00:32:19   more mad than my imac is in every other [TS]

00:32:21   measurable way up for the imac but i'm [TS]

00:32:23   sitting in front of a mad apple monitor [TS]

00:32:25   right now you really it's older than [TS]

00:32:26   your mac for up [TS]

00:32:28   yeah jacket but I [TS]

00:32:30   I mean to each their own if this is the [TS]

00:32:32   way you want to live your life than [TS]

00:32:34   power times and i like that i set up i'm [TS]

00:32:36   considering this is what this is what [TS]

00:32:37   the display cancellation it did to me it [TS]

00:32:40   in the end I think I can probably stick [TS]

00:32:42   it out and I wouldn't buy the current [TS]

00:32:44   imac if I was waiting for an imac [TS]

00:32:46   probably i would wait until they revise [TS]

00:32:47   it with at least a new GPU in it but [TS]

00:32:49   like what I'm trying to do is get myself [TS]

00:32:51   to the point where like I think you'd be [TS]

00:32:53   okay with that [TS]

00:32:54   my wife's got a five-year mark it's like [TS]

00:32:55   three feet over there I use it all the [TS]

00:32:57   time the minor is really nice [TS]

00:32:59   it's way faster than my computer it's [TS]

00:33:01   got a one terabyte SSD the GPU is faster [TS]

00:33:04   than the one in my computer like the [TS]

00:33:06   more i SAT there and use that 1i say [TS]

00:33:07   what are you waiting around her macro [TS]

00:33:09   for you know its gonna not going to be [TS]

00:33:10   good for your purposes anyway like the [TS]

00:33:13   things they get me come back to his like [TS]

00:33:14   you know hear the fan on my wife's imac [TS]

00:33:16   knowledge stuff was trying to to figure [TS]

00:33:19   out should i when the next next time as [TS]

00:33:22   revised some use your eyes early next [TS]

00:33:23   year or something so I just buy it and [TS]

00:33:25   not bother waiting for this mac pro [TS]

00:33:27   should i buy it and then sell it if I [TS]

00:33:28   like the mac pro better [TS]

00:33:29   I've just been waiting so long for this [TS]

00:33:31   mac pro and the cancellation monitor has [TS]

00:33:34   been the strongest signal to me that [TS]

00:33:35   Apple is not interested in selling me [TS]

00:33:37   the computer that i want to buy anymore [TS]

00:33:40   I mean as if the three-year way for the [TS]

00:33:41   macros and signaling off but who knows [TS]

00:33:42   they could they could come out with a [TS]

00:33:44   new mac pro with their new conception of [TS]

00:33:46   what the macro is supposed to be and I [TS]

00:33:48   seriously doubt it will be anything like [TS]

00:33:50   the cheese grater you describe but [TS]

00:33:51   either way if there's no if there's no [TS]

00:33:54   display with it it's really [TS]

00:33:56   disheartening to me [TS]

00:33:57   yeah I teach their own but I just [TS]

00:34:00   man that seems bananas to me but I mean [TS]

00:34:04   did you do you [TS]

00:34:05   I'm just I i canna now i realize that i [TS]

00:34:09   haven't i'm not i'm not coming down that [TS]

00:34:10   I'm definitely gonna get an imac i'm [TS]

00:34:12   just like--that's what i was thinking [TS]

00:34:13   after this announcement I feel like I've [TS]

00:34:14   come down a little bit from now but the [TS]

00:34:16   on the other side of it like that the 5k [TS]

00:34:19   imac is really good it's really really [TS]

00:34:22   good computer like that like like I said [TS]

00:34:24   compared to the computer have now it is [TS]

00:34:26   better in every possible way and it's [TS]

00:34:29   like all but the GP is not going to be [TS]

00:34:30   as big as the one in [TS]

00:34:32   the matter how do you know what maybe [TS]

00:34:33   the new conception of the mac pro is to [TS]

00:34:34   have the same GPU is the the macbook pro [TS]

00:34:36   I don't know what the new mac pro is [TS]

00:34:38   going to be nobody does it just i don't [TS]

00:34:41   so I'm at this point I'm still just [TS]

00:34:44   waiting because I'm not gonna fight the [TS]

00:34:45   current imac but like it's weird to be [TS]

00:34:49   of two minds like I wish Apple had [TS]

00:34:51   confirmed more strongly and officially [TS]

00:34:52   that they're out of the sand on display [TS]

00:34:54   business because then they could have [TS]

00:34:56   line of questioning and all the [TS]

00:34:57   interviews are doing is like why you got [TS]

00:34:59   the standing spray business people like [TS]

00:35:00   to buy them you can add a hundred bucks [TS]

00:35:02   and get some margin do you really sell [TS]

00:35:03   so few of them that you don't want to do [TS]

00:35:05   that do not consider that part of the [TS]

00:35:07   whole system do you think you can make a [TS]

00:35:09   good monitor i mean your hold on this [TS]

00:35:10   whole p3 thing in the color calibration [TS]

00:35:12   and the retina and all that stuff you're [TS]

00:35:13   all about that except for your computers [TS]

00:35:16   don't come with a monitor which you say [TS]

00:35:17   fend for yourself in the world in the [TS]

00:35:19   land of third-party monitors maybe we'll [TS]

00:35:20   recommend one good luck with warranty [TS]

00:35:22   and repairs and by the way it's ugly I i [TS]

00:35:25   agree with you John like the that it the [TS]

00:35:27   lack of new monitor has also may be [TS]

00:35:28   unreasonably upset because I agree that [TS]

00:35:31   I think it does signal more than [TS]

00:35:33   anything so far that there probably [TS]

00:35:36   won't be another mac pro because again [TS]

00:35:38   like if they were gonna make a new mac [TS]

00:35:39   pro why would they not make a new [TS]

00:35:42   monitor to go to to go with it like do [TS]

00:35:44   they really want the only option for mac [TS]

00:35:47   pro buyers to be third-party plasticky [TS]

00:35:50   crappy monitor like is that really what [TS]

00:35:51   they want to be the only option for [TS]

00:35:53   their highest end computer I I imagine [TS]

00:35:55   that's that that's not really their [TS]

00:35:56   style you know that that's a very strong [TS]

00:35:59   indicator that as much as i want the new [TS]

00:36:03   mac pro to happen and as much as like [TS]

00:36:06   you know a tipster says that they're [TS]

00:36:07   working on sky like east if in some [TS]

00:36:09   capacity like I don't know what else [TS]

00:36:11   that before accepting mac pro but [TS]

00:36:13   they've worked on previous Mac for [TS]

00:36:14   updates and not release them [TS]

00:36:16   I you know if they were apparently works [TS]

00:36:18   out of 5 can monitor and not released it [TS]

00:36:21   so if they if they really don't want to [TS]

00:36:23   make their own displays I really have to [TS]

00:36:25   look at their actions and not what i [TS]

00:36:28   want to be true and not what rumors say [TS]

00:36:31   are true or not a tipster say are true [TS]

00:36:33   have to look at just what they've done [TS]

00:36:35   publicly and what they've not important [TS]

00:36:37   what they're not done publicly and I [TS]

00:36:40   just have to come to the conclusion that [TS]

00:36:41   it is very unlikely that we'll ever see [TS]

00:36:43   a macpro again [TS]

00:36:45   because if that if if that was not the [TS]

00:36:47   case we would see something about it [TS]

00:36:49   they would either have updated it all [TS]

00:36:51   this time or they would still be in the [TS]

00:36:53   display business because that's pretty [TS]

00:36:54   related or something else like I again [TS]

00:36:58   like this could be wrong [TS]

00:36:59   I would love for to be wrong I would i [TS]

00:37:01   want a mac pro I don't want the best [TS]

00:37:04   computer that can run the OS i use to [TS]

00:37:07   only have 4 cpu cores or to have loud [TS]

00:37:10   fan noise when I actually drive all [TS]

00:37:12   those cores or to have diluted in the [TS]

00:37:15   other ways that I'm actually compared to [TS]

00:37:17   Mac Pro's I want there to be a higher [TS]

00:37:19   ceiling and it just it it will it will [TS]

00:37:23   really crush me like a morally and my [TS]

00:37:27   enthusiasm and in this company and the [TS]

00:37:29   land the mac platform as a whole because [TS]

00:37:31   you know what the mac platform is really [TS]

00:37:34   good on pro hardware it is designed for [TS]

00:37:37   pro hardware mac OS scales really well [TS]

00:37:41   two tons of cpus multiple gpus all sorts [TS]

00:37:45   of cool like opencl stuff that never [TS]

00:37:47   really took off but it still has it all [TS]

00:37:49   in there like the mac platform is [TS]

00:37:52   awesome [TS]

00:37:53   it is such a good professional [TS]

00:37:55   workstation OS and to have their no [TS]

00:37:59   longer be professional workstation [TS]

00:38:01   hardware that can even run it that will [TS]

00:38:04   make me very very sad but again i have [TS]

00:38:07   to look at what Apple's actually doing [TS]

00:38:10   and it just it sure looks like there's [TS]

00:38:13   never going to be other mac pro now that [TS]

00:38:15   being said i am going to keep hope up [TS]

00:38:18   that there will be 1 i'm gonna keep [TS]

00:38:20   hoping for it until next summer and if [TS]

00:38:22   we don't get on my next summer when [TS]

00:38:24   other skylake II work station platforms [TS]

00:38:26   start shipping from up from like dell [TS]

00:38:28   and HP and stuff if we don't get one [TS]

00:38:30   then I will consider it over but i am [TS]

00:38:34   going to hold up hope until then even [TS]

00:38:36   though my hopes are now we're pretty low [TS]

00:38:37   I'm about the way for the tipster like [TS]

00:38:39   the the supposed to 5k monitor with GE [TS]

00:38:42   GPU that's why I want to see the [TS]

00:38:43   teardown of the LG was assuming is not [TS]

00:38:45   entirely fabricating this one [TS]

00:38:47   explanation is what you're actually [TS]

00:38:48   seeing is the internals of the LG [TS]

00:38:50   display inside Thunderbolt case inside [TS]

00:38:53   Apple because that's how Apple was [TS]

00:38:55   working on their OS side of work [TS]

00:38:57   me on this thing you know i mean it [TS]

00:38:58   doesn't mean that it was ever a product [TS]

00:39:00   that Apple was ever gonna ship you know [TS]

00:39:02   so anyway we have to see what's inside [TS]

00:39:04   this LG Display before we know that what [TS]

00:39:06   the problem is those rumors are like I [TS]

00:39:08   would find it also like market would [TS]

00:39:10   find even more depressing if they [TS]

00:39:11   actually developed this thing internally [TS]

00:39:13   man never went anywhere it would be much [TS]

00:39:15   more explicable that was just you know a [TS]

00:39:17   development mule for the internals [TS]

00:39:19   actually went to the LG display and it [TS]

00:39:21   was there so Apple could do it software [TS]

00:39:22   side of it which which again is perverse [TS]

00:39:24   it's like if you're going to do this [TS]

00:39:25   cooperation with LG and let them sell [TS]

00:39:27   the monitor why let them get the margin [TS]

00:39:29   on the monitor like they're already [TS]

00:39:30   making the panel's all your stuff like [TS]

00:39:31   just wonder if you get take the margin [TS]

00:39:33   you can make a nice case for that [TS]

00:39:34   monitor maybe hike up the price 1,500 [TS]

00:39:37   bucks you think we won't pay an extra [TS]

00:39:39   1,500 bucks over the price LG of course [TS]

00:39:41   we will like you're not gonna sell a lot [TS]

00:39:43   of them but why you know what will get [TS]

00:39:46   to this when we talk about the the [TS]

00:39:47   macbook pro later but it it smells like [TS]

00:39:50   nickel and diming it's like well we [TS]

00:39:51   don't sell enough at least to care [TS]

00:39:52   totally i acknowledge they don't sell [TS]

00:39:54   one of these for it to be a blip [TS]

00:39:56   so we can save a little money by having [TS]

00:39:57   LG do it because we don't care about the [TS]

00:39:59   money it's meaningless know somebody's [TS]

00:40:01   will be zero dollars and it's a lot of [TS]

00:40:02   hassle for qualifying and supporting and [TS]

00:40:05   doing warranty repairs and shipping [TS]

00:40:06   boxes like I totally see how this is a [TS]

00:40:08   money loser for Apple went up you know [TS]

00:40:10   when you look at everything is involved [TS]

00:40:12   in it but sometimes you have to do [TS]

00:40:14   things like that to support the you know [TS]

00:40:17   the use case of your top end users who [TS]

00:40:19   again maybe are not profitable anymore [TS]

00:40:21   but I feel like they're an important [TS]

00:40:22   part of keeping you know like I don't go [TS]

00:40:26   through the whole hello car thing again [TS]

00:40:27   but that whole angle the monitor is part [TS]

00:40:29   of it and selling your monitors part of [TS]

00:40:32   that when like and apples it apple is [TS]

00:40:34   still in lots of businesses that are [TS]

00:40:37   also low margin or not very necessary [TS]

00:40:41   for most of the customers more things [TS]

00:40:42   like they still sell their Wi-Fi routers [TS]

00:40:44   and their time capsules like why why is [TS]

00:40:47   Apple is sell an outdated wireless [TS]

00:40:50   router and they'll hear you right like [TS]

00:40:52   they're going to cancel those products [TS]

00:40:53   though rather they kill those in the [TS]

00:40:55   monitors like look at like Apple II all [TS]

00:40:58   these people who try to justify what [TS]

00:41:00   Apple's doing to try to make excuses for [TS]

00:41:02   apple which you don't need to do you can [TS]

00:41:05   almost always look at other parts of the [TS]

00:41:07   Apple product line or very recent [TS]

00:41:09   history and [TS]

00:41:10   you can get contradictions to that are [TS]

00:41:11   counter-argument to that like in the [TS]

00:41:13   case of the monitor thing like the apple [TS]

00:41:15   doesn't need to be in the monitor [TS]

00:41:17   business you know they don't need to be [TS]

00:41:18   any business like they used to be the [TS]

00:41:20   iphone business it's apple can do just [TS]

00:41:23   fine cutting out monitors but then why [TS]

00:41:26   are they not cutting out everything why [TS]

00:41:27   that cutting out ipods apple still makes [TS]

00:41:30   an entire line of ipods and ipods are [TS]

00:41:33   actually holding back progress in things [TS]

00:41:35   like itunes like imagine if Apple could [TS]

00:41:40   totally cut itunes ipod support that [TS]

00:41:43   could free up itunes you free up so much [TS]

00:41:45   engineering resources and legacy support [TS]

00:41:47   an old stuff and you know it could [TS]

00:41:50   accelerate a possible future which [TS]

00:41:51   itunes has its functions broken up into [TS]

00:41:53   different apps that are actually good [TS]

00:41:54   like they have tons of reasons to not [TS]

00:41:58   sell ipods anymore but they still sell [TS]

00:42:00   them because of a handful of reasons are [TS]

00:42:04   good enough to keep them going [TS]

00:42:05   I don't not really sure what those are [TS]

00:42:07   but i'm sure people are buying them in [TS]

00:42:08   something to some degree right Wi-Fi [TS]

00:42:10   routers and stuff like I I don't expect [TS]

00:42:11   them to get a frequent updates i mean [TS]

00:42:14   they're already very outdated and yeah [TS]

00:42:16   who knows [TS]

00:42:16   and they're not really a great deal [TS]

00:42:17   anymore but they still sell them for [TS]

00:42:20   some reason they still sell time [TS]

00:42:21   capsules for some reason I mean talk [TS]

00:42:23   about an ancient technology the time [TS]

00:42:26   capsule is an outdated wireless router [TS]

00:42:29   with a giant spinning hard drive in it [TS]

00:42:31   they still sell that but they decided [TS]

00:42:34   that monitors aren't worth any more like [TS]

00:42:37   that that makes no sense to me unless [TS]

00:42:39   they're killing off their entire desktop [TS]

00:42:41   lines at the imac you know I'm more [TS]

00:42:44   thing to it is even just about desktops [TS]

00:42:46   lots of people connect external monitors [TS]

00:42:49   to their macbook and macbook air macbook [TS]

00:42:51   pros so it like even if they kill the [TS]

00:42:54   desktops they should still have displays [TS]

00:42:58   that are sold for laptop customers like [TS]

00:43:00   the last one the the thunderbolt and an [TS]

00:43:03   LED display before that they were [TS]

00:43:04   designed for laptops they had little max [TS]

00:43:07   a charger and everything that would [TS]

00:43:08   charge laughs little g1 right these are [TS]

00:43:10   obviously doesn't solely obviously this [TS]

00:43:12   is still a business that it that exist [TS]

00:43:14   even if you kill the desktop so i don't [TS]

00:43:17   know it makes no sense [TS]

00:43:19   so we're saying that because [TS]

00:43:22   his Apple got out of the display [TS]

00:43:24   business that is the canary in the coal [TS]

00:43:27   mine for not I mac desktops and that [TS]

00:43:31   could be i don't think i agree but that [TS]

00:43:35   could be well it's one of many you know [TS]

00:43:37   it's it's in the context of they haven't [TS]

00:43:40   not only have not even updated the mac [TS]

00:43:43   pro in three years and the mac mini and [TS]

00:43:45   I think as long or roughly as long but [TS]

00:43:47   the blood the last update to both of [TS]

00:43:49   those products made them worse in [TS]

00:43:51   certain key ways and that they have not [TS]

00:43:54   been updated they haven't even mentioned [TS]

00:43:56   them like they weren't even honest like [TS]

00:43:58   when Apple should like the the slide of [TS]

00:44:00   the mac family weren't even on the slide [TS]

00:44:02   like the they're basically they're still [TS]

00:44:04   selling them totally unchanged for three [TS]

00:44:08   years not a single update to like gpus [TS]

00:44:12   or anything like nothing has changed so [TS]

00:44:16   that is it you know in the context of [TS]

00:44:19   that where you have this very high-end [TS]

00:44:22   machine that they do a major redesign of [TS]

00:44:23   its kind of more attractive and more [TS]

00:44:24   expensive they talk about innovation a [TS]

00:44:27   lot and they never talk about it again [TS]

00:44:28   that's that's not good [TS]

00:44:32   sure so in the context of that them also [TS]

00:44:34   saying you know what we're not going to [TS]

00:44:36   make our own version of this 5k display [TS]

00:44:38   which you know technically would be [TS]

00:44:40   perfect for the next model of mac pro [TS]

00:44:43   like if they if they made apple version [TS]

00:44:46   of this display and launched at the same [TS]

00:44:48   time as a macpro next year sometime [TS]

00:44:50   that'd be amazing and so many people [TS]

00:44:53   would buy that combo which would [TS]

00:44:55   probably cost like seven thousand [TS]

00:44:56   dollars but you buy it because it's we [TS]

00:44:59   waited so long and it'd be so good but I [TS]

00:45:02   again I just I don't know if I'm if I'm [TS]

00:45:05   honest with myself I really don't think [TS]

00:45:07   it's going to happen i don't think the [TS]

00:45:09   lack of a monitor is any particular [TS]

00:45:10   indicator for for the the desktop is it [TS]

00:45:13   that you know I still think this is [TS]

00:45:14   their chance to update the mac pro but [TS]

00:45:16   like Marco pointed out it's more of an [TS]

00:45:19   indicator that Apple Care is less about [TS]

00:45:22   configurations that involve an external [TS]

00:45:24   display because you know that had all [TS]

00:45:26   the monitors at having a little MagSafe [TS]

00:45:27   connector and it was clear it's like [TS]

00:45:29   most people are gonna buy this monitor [TS]

00:45:31   buying it because what they have a [TS]

00:45:32   laptop when they sit down at the desk [TS]

00:45:34   they want a bigger screen than is [TS]

00:45:35   available on the laptop that's what [TS]

00:45:37   these screens are 40 and by the way they [TS]

00:45:38   also connect the desktop max but nobody [TS]

00:45:40   cares right and that the aesthetic and [TS]

00:45:43   this is me just me personally that [TS]

00:45:44   aesthetic of this is the main thing [TS]

00:45:46   you're looking at when using a computer [TS]

00:45:47   is you're looking at the screen like [TS]

00:45:49   what is the max look like back in the [TS]

00:45:50   original mac the whole thing was one [TS]

00:45:52   thing the screen the floppy drive the [TS]

00:45:54   power supply you know eventually the [TS]

00:45:56   hard drive [TS]

00:45:58   everything was all in one eventually [TS]

00:46:00   you're not looking at the computer part [TS]

00:46:02   anymore except in the case the imac [TS]

00:46:04   words on one right here your look what [TS]

00:46:06   you're looking at is a screen and then [TS]

00:46:07   you've got these tower computers your [TS]

00:46:09   mac mini for you know for the desktop [TS]

00:46:10   use cases and giving up on the monitor [TS]

00:46:14   I'm surprised even Johnny I would allow [TS]

00:46:15   this means that anybody who wants a [TS]

00:46:17   bigger screen is available on a laptop [TS]

00:46:18   is not going to be looking at an apple [TS]

00:46:20   thing and I feel like it's not like oh I [TS]

00:46:22   don't have a mac anymore just because [TS]

00:46:23   the screen is an apple screen or [TS]

00:46:25   whatever it's just like that whole that [TS]

00:46:27   whole vibe of having an entire system [TS]

00:46:30   that all matches and all works together [TS]

00:46:32   and that is that has the highest [TS]

00:46:36   guarantee of compatibility and [TS]

00:46:37   supportiveness over the years and is the [TS]

00:46:40   most integrated with you know whatever [TS]

00:46:42   weird buttons Apple puts on whatever [TS]

00:46:44   weird keyboard control they have are [TS]

00:46:46   always going to work with the modern all [TS]

00:46:47   that stuff and LG is totally integrated [TS]

00:46:48   like that now which i emphasizing the [TS]

00:46:50   keynote and maybe Apple will keep the [TS]

00:46:52   update but maybe Apple lose interest and [TS]

00:46:54   be like oh if you bought that old LG one [TS]

00:46:56   if it's up to LG to update us with the [TS]

00:46:58   drivers are like who knows like it seems [TS]

00:47:00   like it would be less supportive but at [TS]

00:47:02   it it's just giving up on that whole [TS]

00:47:04   vibe of having all apple stuff it's part [TS]

00:47:06   of the reason that i personally like [TS]

00:47:07   buying max and taking that reason away [TS]

00:47:10   makes me less enthusiastic about getting [TS]

00:47:12   a shiny new mac if then i also have to [TS]

00:47:14   wade into the world of of third-party [TS]

00:47:17   monitors or before pictures one third [TS]

00:47:18   party monitor is literally the only one [TS]

00:47:20   that works with their stuff in the [TS]

00:47:21   integrated way that I wanted to work [TS]

00:47:23   that Adam is it makes me less [TS]

00:47:26   enthusiastic to buy new mac i guess you [TS]

00:47:29   spend a lot more time looking at the [TS]

00:47:31   bezel of your monitors that I do because [TS]

00:47:33   at that thing just by looking at a 4k LG [TS]

00:47:38   monitor for now 40 to 45 hours a week [TS]

00:47:42   and I mean in a perfect world I'd like [TS]

00:47:45   two of them side-by-side or even a more [TS]

00:47:46   perfect world i guess i should say a [TS]

00:47:48   couple of Apple monitors i don't [TS]

00:47:49   disagree with you that Apple monitors [TS]

00:47:51   would be better in principle but I can't [TS]

00:47:55   say that I look at the bezel of this [TS]

00:47:58   thing particularly often in that I think [TS]

00:48:00   to myself well you know life sucks [TS]

00:48:01   because this isn't a shiny piece of [TS]

00:48:03   aluminum to each their own this is why [TS]

00:48:05   we're different people but that just [TS]

00:48:06   seems but manages to me that it used to [TS]

00:48:09   be a pc you they're so used to looking [TS]

00:48:11   at a lot of black plastic grandmas but I [TS]

00:48:14   guess I I don't view this as so [TS]

00:48:17   egregious and I mean and again to be [TS]

00:48:19   clear I don't think that this LG monitor [TS]

00:48:21   that i'm looking at 45 hours a week is [TS]

00:48:23   pretty i don't and i think it's [TS]

00:48:24   relatively ugly and I there's there's [TS]

00:48:26   problems with it doesn't have wide color [TS]

00:48:28   which to be honest I still don't see the [TS]

00:48:30   difference that i can tell even my [TS]

00:48:32   iphone4 white color but whatever I I it [TS]

00:48:35   doesn't like color the the amount on it [TS]

00:48:38   that comes with it it doesn't adjust [TS]

00:48:39   height adjust its it's stationary static [TS]

00:48:42   which is annoying [TS]

00:48:43   it doesn't pitch 90 degrees which i [TS]

00:48:45   never do but it'd be nice to have the [TS]

00:48:47   option for some reason so there's plenty [TS]

00:48:49   of things I don't like about it but the [TS]

00:48:50   end of the day all I'm looking at is the [TS]

00:48:52   things on the screen and in not Apple [TS]

00:48:56   not doing a monitor to me doesn't [TS]

00:48:58   necessarily mean they don't care i mean [TS]

00:49:00   look at the iphone 7 that a lot of [TS]

00:49:03   people a ton of people think that they [TS]

00:49:06   charge and listen to music at the same [TS]

00:49:08   time I know if that's true or not but a [TS]

00:49:10   lot of people seem to think it and if [TS]

00:49:12   you go to the apple accessories apple [TS]

00:49:15   iphone accessories page [TS]

00:49:17   sure enough there is a lightning audio [TS]

00:49:19   in charge cable so it's one lightning 22 [TS]

00:49:22   lightning you know who makes that [TS]

00:49:24   belkin and if Apple really gave a crap [TS]

00:49:26   about the iphone i guess they should [TS]

00:49:28   make that two right i mean it's it it's [TS]

00:49:30   not i'm going to leave to give a crap [TS]

00:49:32   about the is I'm not likely to give a [TS]

00:49:34   crap about the max just they took my [TS]

00:49:36   particular use case like I one thing [TS]

00:49:38   that they're giving up on that they [TS]

00:49:39   don't care as much about is the holistic [TS]

00:49:41   aesthetic because I forget about desktop [TS]

00:49:43   then there notice a computer that's only [TS]

00:49:44   laptops the old Apple you cared enough [TS]

00:49:47   about the overall aesthetic of like the [TS]

00:49:49   system that they can put in their [TS]

00:49:51   product shots and that their ideal [TS]

00:49:52   customer [TS]

00:49:52   by to make giant expensive monitors that [TS]

00:49:56   as people in general point out always [TS]

00:49:58   way more expensive than equivalent [TS]

00:49:59   monitors for the same pals like again [TS]

00:50:01   granted right with little magsafe things [TS]

00:50:05   to charge your monitor dangling off the [TS]

00:50:07   end of the like it was it was a laptop [TS]

00:50:09   accessory and why who in the world would [TS]

00:50:11   buy a laptop accessory from apple at a [TS]

00:50:13   ridiculous price because it looks really [TS]

00:50:15   nice [TS]

00:50:15   like that's that's it because it matches [TS]

00:50:17   and it looks nice right and at the end [TS]

00:50:19   they were happened to be usually good [TS]

00:50:20   monitors and I came out and they were [TS]

00:50:21   convenient and all those stuff but like [TS]

00:50:24   it's it's apple saying yeah it did look [TS]

00:50:28   nice and it was cool but the coolness [TS]

00:50:30   was not worth being in this business to [TS]

00:50:33   us anymore and the coolness to me is [TS]

00:50:35   totally worth it and i would like to [TS]

00:50:36   give the money and they won't take my [TS]

00:50:37   money and I you know that it makes me [TS]

00:50:40   sad is it a good business idea is it [TS]

00:50:42   better to get out of that business it [TS]

00:50:43   was a money-loser and most people don't [TS]

00:50:45   care I don't know it's not doesn't [TS]

00:50:47   really say anything about where they [TS]

00:50:48   care about the mac or whatever it just [TS]

00:50:50   means that their priorities don't align [TS]

00:50:53   with mine this particular issue and I'm [TS]

00:50:54   sad about it right that we spend a lot [TS]

00:50:57   longer talk about that I expected my [TS]

00:50:59   goodness I don't longer thinking about [TS]

00:51:01   that than I expected but I couldn't [TS]

00:51:02   believe I'm like I seriously i was up [TS]

00:51:04   and that my wife is already sleeping [TS]

00:51:05   next to me and I'm like what i can do it [TS]

00:51:08   mighty much am I even getting a mac pro [TS]

00:51:10   just give up like yeah this is terrible [TS]

00:51:12   it was little a little dark night of the [TS]

00:51:14   soul when I found that monitor was [TS]

00:51:15   canceled [TS]

00:51:16   well it's not wanted an update that I [TS]

00:51:18   the mac pro for three years here I'm [TS]

00:51:20   just happily hoping like up bro i'm sure [TS]

00:51:22   the updated eventually i'm just waiting [TS]

00:51:24   patiently look at me be patient no more [TS]

00:51:25   monitors like no no my thoughts and [TS]

00:51:29   prayers are with you in this difficult [TS]

00:51:30   time a damn freaks rights that Apple has [TS]

00:51:33   told him that the macbook pro maxes out [TS]

00:51:35   at sixteen 16 gigs of ram because LPD [TS]

00:51:39   r3's limit is 16 gigs of chip and Apple [TS]

00:51:42   uses it because of a performance to [TS]

00:51:44   energy ratio and then building on that [TS]

00:51:47   there was a I guess an interview or [TS]

00:51:50   somebody asked sure that doesn't email [TS]

00:51:52   to email the nightlife Schiller said and [TS]

00:51:55   I'm quoting to put more than 16 gigs of [TS]

00:51:57   fast ram into a notebook designed at [TS]

00:51:59   this time would require a memory system [TS]

00:52:02   that consumes much more power [TS]

00:52:03   rain wouldn't be efficient enough for [TS]

00:52:04   notebook i hope you check out this new [TS]

00:52:06   generation macbook pro really is an [TS]

00:52:08   incredible system so that is supposedly [TS]

00:52:11   and other people come to this conclusion [TS]

00:52:12   as well that is supposedly why Apple is [TS]

00:52:15   not shipping more than 16 gigs ram in [TS]

00:52:18   the macbook pros which LOL full-stop I [TS]

00:52:20   mean that's a bummer if i were to buy [TS]

00:52:22   one today I would absolutely want more [TS]

00:52:25   than 16 would i need more than 16 [TS]

00:52:28   probably not but I'd want it and that's [TS]

00:52:31   today and sometimes people want these [TS]

00:52:33   computers to last for five years that's [TS]

00:52:34   not unusual so this this is a bummer but [TS]

00:52:38   i don't really see how this is apple's [TS]

00:52:41   fault and i'm assuming one of you is [TS]

00:52:42   going to tell me well i would definitely [TS]

00:52:44   pay money for the thing that lasts two [TS]

00:52:45   hours that has 11 geeks over you know 80 [TS]

00:52:47   million gates around not two hours but [TS]

00:52:49   yeah well so before we even get to that [TS]

00:52:51   angle there has been much support for [TS]

00:52:55   the idea that this is not apple's fault [TS]

00:52:58   out there down you know this is the [TS]

00:53:00   basics of just like look the the the [TS]

00:53:02   specific cpu they're using with the the [TS]

00:53:06   good GPU whatever the good the iris pro [TS]

00:53:08   graphics or whatever doesn't have a [TS]

00:53:10   chipset that supports more memory [TS]

00:53:12   capacity and blah blah blah like this is [TS]

00:53:15   a thing [TS]

00:53:16   one other thing that people brought up [TS]

00:53:18   surprisingly think of showing the [TS]

00:53:21   lengths people will go to to make [TS]

00:53:23   excuses for apple is the head there is a [TS]

00:53:26   fa has a restriction of like a hundred [TS]

00:53:29   watt hours battery is right and that [TS]

00:53:32   Apple can't make up a battery bigger [TS]

00:53:34   than that at you know which I don't even [TS]

00:53:37   know if that's true first of all the [TS]

00:53:38   second of all let's just assume industry [TS]

00:53:39   and then they followed that up by saying [TS]

00:53:41   and that's why the new MacBook Pros have [TS]

00:53:44   a 76 one hour battery what we a second [TS]

00:53:47   there is that what they're saying is [TS]

00:53:48   yeah they could add that extra [TS]

00:53:50   20-something wat hours but that wouldn't [TS]

00:53:53   be enough to power the memory system [TS]

00:53:54   subsystem required to support 32 years [TS]

00:53:56   of friends I think the actual issue as [TS]

00:53:59   with a lot of Intel stuff is not that [TS]

00:54:01   you can't have a laptop that is also [TS]

00:54:05   pretty small and light that supports 30 [TS]

00:54:07   days of rampant pretty sure del cells [TS]

00:54:09   one that's not that much bigger than [TS]

00:54:10   that you know it's thicker upgraded its [TS]

00:54:12   not that much thicker and it supports 32 [TS]

00:54:14   gigs of ram and he uses [TS]

00:54:17   the sixth generation intel chip you know [TS]

00:54:19   that the you know it's not it's not kb [TS]

00:54:21   lake or whatever i'm pretty sure it's [TS]

00:54:23   it's skylight once but but but I'm also [TS]

00:54:27   pretty sure it's not the particular sky [TS]

00:54:29   like chips that app allows users with [TS]

00:54:31   the big honkin embedded GPU with the [TS]

00:54:34   easier and all that other crap so I [TS]

00:54:37   still put this mostly on Apple because [TS]

00:54:40   they insist on using it only a [TS]

00:54:44   particular stream the best trained to be [TS]

00:54:46   fair they always want the best of the [TS]

00:54:48   best ones with the best and better GPU [TS]

00:54:50   because a lot of the stuff and mac OS [TS]

00:54:52   uses the GPO for things right so they [TS]

00:54:53   want the best of the best and if the [TS]

00:54:56   best-of-the-best isn't available they [TS]

00:54:58   won't ship the other kind of what I was [TS]

00:55:00   thinking about is the way to potentially [TS]

00:55:02   solve this with the with the smallest [TS]

00:55:05   number of sacrifices in the short term [TS]

00:55:06   until you know another ship comes out [TS]

00:55:08   that doesn't is ship the intel cpu with [TS]

00:55:14   either the crappy hit the crappy one the [TS]

00:55:17   not the one that doesn't have the fancy [TS]

00:55:18   embedded GPU in it because you're [TS]

00:55:21   putting a discrete GPU and everything [TS]

00:55:22   anyway and do it the old-fashioned way [TS]

00:55:24   where you just always use discrete GPU [TS]

00:55:26   and yes that would slaughter battery [TS]

00:55:27   life and now you can support three gigs [TS]

00:55:29   of ram which is a slaughter battery life [TS]

00:55:31   even more and yes then you have to make [TS]

00:55:33   the thing three millimeters thicker and [TS]

00:55:34   then you'd probably have to make it a [TS]

00:55:35   separate model and then why we have [TS]

00:55:37   accepted that the separate model is just [TS]

00:55:39   as we are transitional thing like the [TS]

00:55:40   fat macbook pro for people who need all [TS]

00:55:42   this crap and I just gets right back to [TS]

00:55:44   the original argument which is that's [TS]

00:55:45   not what Apple wants to do whatever so [TS]

00:55:47   in the end I don't think this is that [TS]

00:55:49   big a deal because i think actually in [TS]

00:55:51   this case given the constraints put on [TS]

00:55:53   them by Intel they probably made the [TS]

00:55:56   right choice because what they're [TS]

00:55:57   designing this macbook pro case i assume [TS]

00:55:59   the 15-inch macbook pro case will be [TS]

00:56:02   with us for free a pretty long time I [TS]

00:56:03   don't expect them to shave another two [TS]

00:56:05   millimeters off next year I expected [TS]

00:56:06   this case to be the guts to be swapped [TS]

00:56:08   out of it and new guts to be put into it [TS]

00:56:10   right and if it just so happens that [TS]

00:56:13   Intel doesn't give them anything they [TS]

00:56:15   can fit in this case with this much [TS]

00:56:16   battery with regional battery life it is [TS]

00:56:18   a better choice to limit the 16 to keep [TS]

00:56:21   the battery life and what it is like [TS]

00:56:24   it's a better choice economically [TS]

00:56:25   speaking and for uniformity it would be [TS]

00:56:28   a better choice for customers who have [TS]

00:56:30   very demanding to all to make that other [TS]

00:56:32   model just for them but boy that's [TS]

00:56:34   asking a lot of a company that is trying [TS]

00:56:37   to narrow things down and it hasn't [TS]

00:56:38   updated the mac pro in three years to [TS]

00:56:40   make a special one-off model just for [TS]

00:56:41   this generation of intel cpu because it [TS]

00:56:44   can support 32 gigs of ram that is [TS]

00:56:46   thicker and has more battery and uses a [TS]

00:56:48   different arrangement of cpu and GPU and [TS]

00:56:50   also still gets worse battery life [TS]

00:56:52   that's just not a thing that Apple is [TS]

00:56:55   interested in doing so if they're not [TS]

00:56:57   interested in doing that like 16 gigs of [TS]

00:56:59   ram is embarrassing for the people who [TS]

00:57:01   don't buy it because it can't support 32 [TS]

00:57:04   I feel for them in the same way I feel [TS]

00:57:07   for people who want mac pros and who won [TS]

00:57:10   external monitors but it is in keeping [TS]

00:57:13   with that what Apple has been doing to [TS]

00:57:15   its product line and i think they are [TS]

00:57:17   there they're hitting the fat part of [TS]

00:57:19   the curve there [TS]

00:57:19   most people don't need more than that it [TS]

00:57:21   is better to have a lighter thinner [TS]

00:57:22   thing i have lower power requirements so [TS]

00:57:25   this is exactly the same vein as [TS]

00:57:27   everything else we talked about Apple [TS]

00:57:30   not making hardware for this very narrow [TS]

00:57:34   set of people who are very demanding and [TS]

00:57:36   this case it is partially explicable by [TS]

00:57:38   the availability of the kinds of cpus [TS]

00:57:41   they can put it but it still makes all [TS]

00:57:43   the set that's over talking about the [TS]

00:57:44   show we're not talking about Apple's [TS]

00:57:46   doomed and how this is a bad computer [TS]

00:57:47   and people shouldn't buy we're totally [TS]

00:57:49   talking about how a bunch of nerds who [TS]

00:57:51   want the best of the best are sad about [TS]

00:57:53   the choices apples making yeah because [TS]

00:57:54   like here's here's why [TS]

00:57:56   like some people have expressed you know [TS]

00:57:58   bewilderment you know why are so many [TS]

00:58:00   people so upset about the new macbook [TS]

00:58:01   pros and the thing is like Apple makes [TS]

00:58:05   one type of kind of laptop now really [TS]

00:58:08   and that they make the the the ultra [TS]

00:58:10   thin light the ultra portable all of [TS]

00:58:12   their laptops now are in this category [TS]

00:58:14   like you know it used to be not that [TS]

00:58:16   long ago that most computer [TS]

00:58:18   manufacturers have a different laptop [TS]

00:58:20   lines for disabled basically different [TS]

00:58:23   size weight and performance classes so [TS]

00:58:25   you have like the thin light which by [TS]

00:58:28   today's standards would be considered [TS]

00:58:29   commonly heavy but you know back then [TS]

00:58:30   basically you have the open and lights [TS]

00:58:32   that were like you know exactly what it [TS]

00:58:33   sounds like [TS]

00:58:34   but as a result they would be usually [TS]

00:58:36   slower you know more limited and [TS]

00:58:37   everything and you kind of have like the [TS]

00:58:39   mainstream line kind of in the middle [TS]

00:58:40   and you have the desktop replacement [TS]

00:58:42   which it's like you [TS]

00:58:44   no that the big heavy ones that have [TS]

00:58:46   like you know the the very highest and [TS]

00:58:49   cpus cpus and stuff you could fit in any [TS]

00:58:52   reasonable size laptop and and basically [TS]

00:58:55   Apple only makes one of those now [TS]

00:58:57   basically everything apple makes is a [TS]

00:58:58   thin light and the reason why so many [TS]

00:59:01   people get upset every time they they [TS]

00:59:03   change or don't change anything with [TS]

00:59:05   mostly but when the changes happen is [TS]

00:59:07   that you know you can making a thin [TS]

00:59:10   light requires you to cut lots of things [TS]

00:59:12   and to limit lots of things and to not [TS]

00:59:14   address lots of what everyone thinks our [TS]

00:59:16   edge cases or no as you said John little [TS]

00:59:19   narrow slices at the market [TS]

00:59:21   the problem is this is kind of a [TS]

00:59:22   20-month that the main problem here is [TS]

00:59:24   like you look at the list of things that [TS]

00:59:27   got worse between the last macbook pro [TS]

00:59:29   and this one obviously things got better [TS]

00:59:31   you know and weight forward batteries [TS]

00:59:32   certain things got better right but [TS]

00:59:35   certain things were either cut or got [TS]

00:59:37   worse certain you know ports are no [TS]

00:59:40   longer there the SD card reader is no [TS]

00:59:41   longer there [TS]

00:59:42   the there you know that the Ramsey did [TS]

00:59:44   not get raised to what people want and [TS]

00:59:46   everything any individual one of these [TS]

00:59:48   excuses for any individual one of these [TS]

00:59:51   problems can can be justified are [TS]

00:59:53   excused in some way usually the that [TS]

00:59:55   goes with because of either like well we [TS]

00:59:58   couldn't fit more in this [TS]

00:59:58   couldn't fit more in this [TS]

01:00:00   super thin light low-power computer [TS]

01:00:03   which is kind of a self-imposed problem [TS]

01:00:05   because they don't make one that isn't [TS]

01:00:06   super thin light and and low-power or [TS]

01:00:09   you can justify these things by saying [TS]

01:00:10   well we we cut the you know SD card [TS]

01:00:13   reader whatever it is or we cut the hdmi [TS]

01:00:15   port because only some little percentage [TS]

01:00:19   of the user base used it [TS]

01:00:21   the problem is that the little [TS]

01:00:23   percentage of the user base that use the [TS]

01:00:25   hdmi port does not completely overlap [TS]

01:00:27   with little change the user base that [TS]

01:00:29   use the SD card slot and so on and so on [TS]

01:00:31   so if you look at the the sum of all of [TS]

01:00:35   the little limitations and things that [TS]

01:00:37   have been added to this and additionally [TS]

01:00:39   by the way the price hikes don't help so [TS]

01:00:41   you have like the not small percentage [TS]

01:00:43   of the user base who is very unhappy or [TS]

01:00:46   actually has to make a different [TS]

01:00:48   decision now because of the price hike [TS]

01:00:49   so basically you add all these [TS]

01:00:51   percentages up and while it may seem [TS]

01:00:54   that any one of the downsides might only [TS]

01:00:58   affect a small percentage of the user [TS]

01:01:00   base a large percentage of the user base [TS]

01:01:02   is affected by one of them like just eat [TS]

01:01:05   you you can't name is no simple stats [TS]

01:01:07   like you can't say like everyone is [TS]

01:01:10   affected by the removal of the hdmi port [TS]

01:01:12   but lots of people are affected by one [TS]

01:01:15   of the removals on this computer is [TS]

01:01:17   different for everybody and a proline [TS]

01:01:20   like it you know historically the [TS]

01:01:23   highest-end laptops would have the [TS]

01:01:25   fewest limits because they could they [TS]

01:01:27   had they had lot they had larger cases [TS]

01:01:29   they usually larger screens they were [TS]

01:01:31   they were bigger they were higher priced [TS]

01:01:33   they they sold in small quantities to [TS]

01:01:36   more demanding markets and so there was [TS]

01:01:38   room both physically and in profit [TS]

01:01:41   margin and everything else there was [TS]

01:01:42   room for more ports higher-end things [TS]

01:01:45   higher water stains and everything and [TS]

01:01:47   so to have the even the pro machine be [TS]

01:01:51   this limited in so many ways and to have [TS]

01:01:56   so many of the potential or current or [TS]

01:01:58   actual buyers of this machine being [TS]

01:02:01   disappointed by one thing that got worse [TS]

01:02:03   about can fit compared to the previous [TS]

01:02:04   ones that is why so many people are mad [TS]

01:02:07   because that's usually you don't usually [TS]

01:02:09   do that in high-end permissions usually [TS]

01:02:11   things don't get extremely more research [TS]

01:02:13   active at the high end usually the high [TS]

01:02:15   end is where you go because whatever one [TS]

01:02:18   considers like designing for the future [TS]

01:02:19   and being forward-looking and everything [TS]

01:02:21   that's all done too low it like when the [TS]

01:02:24   macbook one came out we all said you [TS]

01:02:26   know well that's that's not really [TS]

01:02:28   really very compromised machine a lot of [TS]

01:02:30   ways but we can just say well you know [TS]

01:02:31   what it's not for you so you don't have [TS]

01:02:34   to buy it and that worked for like you [TS]

01:02:37   know a year and a half until now the [TS]

01:02:39   compromises for the macbook one have now [TS]

01:02:41   mostly been spread to the entire line of [TS]

01:02:44   macbook so now you can't just say that's [TS]

01:02:46   not for you anymore now it's like well [TS]

01:02:48   if you buy if you still want to use mac [TS]

01:02:50   OS at whenever your current laptop dies [TS]

01:02:53   you need another one [TS]

01:02:54   you're gonna have these restrictions on [TS]

01:02:56   you that's it like if the combination of [TS]

01:02:58   like the all those stats adding up to be [TS]

01:03:01   like you know almost everyone is [TS]

01:03:03   affected by one of these things compared [TS]

01:03:05   to also now the the new lack of choice [TS]

01:03:07   that we really have about a lot of these [TS]

01:03:09   factors like if Apple work to make a [TS]

01:03:12   look and one of the ways they could [TS]

01:03:13   address this they still sell the old one [TS]

01:03:16   now they did this also when they [TS]

01:03:18   introduced the the retina macbook pro in [TS]

01:03:21   2012 the very first round about 15 [TS]

01:03:23   different from 2012 they launched for [TS]

01:03:25   believe also 22 or 24 hundred bucks [TS]

01:03:27   something like that and that's what [TS]

01:03:29   which is higher than the previous one so [TS]

01:03:31   they kept on the old one to hit a price [TS]

01:03:32   point but it's something else [TS]

01:03:34   they updated the internals of the old [TS]

01:03:37   one as well to match the new one so [TS]

01:03:40   whatever I think forget what cpu [TS]

01:03:42   generation whatever before as well who's [TS]

01:03:43   the one before that right when Wendy [TS]

01:03:45   2012 redesign happened last design in [TS]

01:03:48   this lineup they kept the old one but [TS]

01:03:50   they updated the guts so that it was if [TS]

01:03:53   you didn't care about the retina screen [TS]

01:03:55   and the end of thinner and lighter nests [TS]

01:03:57   of it you could still get all your old [TS]

01:03:59   stuff in the old one with new guts this [TS]

01:04:03   time they're doing the same thing where [TS]

01:04:04   you can still get the old one if you [TS]

01:04:06   don't care about the new advances and [TS]

01:04:08   everything but they didn't have the guts [TS]

01:04:09   and you gotta think about you know that [TS]

01:04:12   the first of all kind of a bummer [TS]

01:04:13   second of all why the honest reason is [TS]

01:04:16   probably because they just don't care [TS]

01:04:17   that they're going to face things out [TS]

01:04:19   and obviously Apple does not care about [TS]

01:04:20   keeping their backs up to date you know [TS]

01:04:21   that's that's modern Apple thanks [TS]

01:04:23   whoever but imagine if you saw [TS]

01:04:27   the cook the new 15-inch macbook pro and [TS]

01:04:30   next to it in the store page as it is [TS]

01:04:32   now is the old one but imagine the old [TS]

01:04:35   one also got skylake and a couple USBC [TS]

01:04:37   thunderball three ports which one of [TS]

01:04:40   those would look more like the pro [TS]

01:04:41   machine and which one of those do you [TS]

01:04:42   think would sell more I huh [TS]

01:04:48   ok so let's suppose you wanted a machine [TS]

01:04:54   with infinite flexibility in that women [TS]

01:04:58   infinite strong word [TS]

01:05:00   let's suppose you wanted a machine where [TS]

01:05:01   you had several ports any of which could [TS]

01:05:05   do freaking anything it could drive a [TS]

01:05:09   display it could accept power it could [TS]

01:05:11   drive old USB it could drive new USB it [TS]

01:05:14   can do any thing you could plug in a [TS]

01:05:18   little docking port or not you could [TS]

01:05:20   plug in SD card reader or not or stories [TS]

01:05:23   or a compact flash card reader like I [TS]

01:05:27   don't I i just don't see this the same [TS]

01:05:30   way that you guys seem to and and the [TS]

01:05:32   reality situation is there's no right or [TS]

01:05:34   wrong I'm right and I'm wrong [TS]

01:05:36   marco was right and he's wrong John is [TS]

01:05:38   right and he's wrong looks like John is [TS]

01:05:40   never wrong [TS]

01:05:41   i-i-i-i have no USBC peripherals and [TS]

01:05:48   there are times that i plug things into [TS]

01:05:52   my USB ports on my macbook pro there are [TS]

01:05:55   times i plug in an hdmi cable to my [TS]

01:05:59   macbook pro I certainly would need a [TS]

01:06:04   dongle or two in order to hypothetically [TS]

01:06:09   get one of these new macbook pros and in [TS]

01:06:11   the near term that might be a little [TS]

01:06:14   annoying i don't see it as anything more [TS]

01:06:17   than that and i see this i personally do [TS]

01:06:22   see this as the pro machine in fact the [TS]

01:06:24   thing that I'm grumpy about is what we [TS]

01:06:26   already com talked about which is 16 [TS]

01:06:28   gigs ram but in every other way to me [TS]

01:06:30   this is very much the pro machine it has [TS]

01:06:33   four ports that you can use for freaking [TS]

01:06:37   anything and I don't understand [TS]

01:06:40   I the world is so friggin worked up [TS]

01:06:43   about dongles a there they're noisy ok [TS]

01:06:46   they're annoying [TS]

01:06:47   fine whatever i have a dongle today for [TS]

01:06:50   ethernet i use it from time to time and [TS]

01:06:52   you know what life goes on i have a [TS]

01:06:55   dongle sometimes for displays and right [TS]

01:06:58   now I actually have a cable that goes [TS]

01:07:00   the Thunderbolt 2 I think it's [TS]

01:07:02   displayport but for years i used a [TS]

01:07:04   dongle for my display and you know what [TS]

01:07:06   life went on and have I lost any of [TS]

01:07:09   these dongles no don't think so because [TS]

01:07:11   I'm an adult [TS]

01:07:13   I don't lose things that's not something [TS]

01:07:16   that i do i just it drives me bananas [TS]

01:07:19   because to me if I don't get your ear [TS]

01:07:21   pods will say that moment but maybe but [TS]

01:07:24   I on the one side i do agree with you [TS]

01:07:27   Marco and I'm not then I'm not placating [TS]

01:07:29   I really honestly do like I understand [TS]

01:07:31   where you're coming from in there's [TS]

01:07:32   there's certainly something to be said [TS]

01:07:36   for maybe this is too early maybe this [TS]

01:07:39   is leaving the true other professionals [TS]

01:07:41   out to dry but lets the only thing I can [TS]

01:07:44   do is use me as an example i write code [TS]

01:07:46   for living [TS]

01:07:46   that's what I do by most definitions [TS]

01:07:48   that is a pro-level profession in [TS]

01:07:53   whatever definition of pro you so choose [TS]

01:07:55   it's the sort of thing that even if I [TS]

01:07:57   wanted to today I could not do on an [TS]

01:08:01   iPad yes they're Swift great playground [TS]

01:08:04   but you can't release an app to the app [TS]

01:08:05   store apps with playgrounds I have to [TS]

01:08:08   have a mac i can't have a pc and also [TS]

01:08:10   her contours whatever I have to have a [TS]

01:08:13   mac and so I like your hands voice so I [TS]

01:08:17   i am by at least some definition of [TS]

01:08:21   professional i'm not a photographer [TS]

01:08:23   that's a different kind of professional [TS]

01:08:24   I'm not an artist that's a different [TS]

01:08:26   kind of professional but I am a [TS]

01:08:28   professional notice and for me I think [TS]

01:08:31   this machine would be friggin awesome [TS]

01:08:34   and there will be times that i'm gonna [TS]

01:08:36   have to plug in my iphone 7 to this [TS]

01:08:38   computer and all my god I need a dongle [TS]

01:08:41   oh well well just get one of the USB see [TS]

01:08:43   the lightning freaking cables like this [TS]

01:08:46   is not a big deal this is a problem that [TS]

01:08:49   can be solved I don't understand why [TS]

01:08:52   there's so much [TS]

01:08:53   oh god there's so much [TS]

01:08:54   thanks about this in yes Marco Island [TS]

01:08:56   i'm picking on you because you know I I [TS]

01:08:59   feel like you and I are most vocally on [TS]

01:09:00   opposite sides this conversation i do [TS]

01:09:02   agree with you and again i hope i don't [TS]

01:09:04   like complaining because i mean it i [TS]

01:09:06   agree with you it is less convenient to [TS]

01:09:08   plug in something to a dongle to the [TS]

01:09:10   computer then plugging it in directly to [TS]

01:09:12   the computer totally agree with you but [TS]

01:09:14   at the same time the only way to get the [TS]

01:09:18   world forward the only way to march [TS]

01:09:20   forward and to get people using us bc is [TS]

01:09:23   too friggin force them to because gosh [TS]

01:09:25   knows even as a super nerd who wants to [TS]

01:09:28   live on the cutting edge if I had the [TS]

01:09:29   choice between using old ass USB or [TS]

01:09:32   modern USB i'm going to choose the old [TS]

01:09:34   one because that's what all my stuff [TS]

01:09:36   already is [TS]

01:09:36   I'm never gonna bother buying a USBC to [TS]

01:09:38   lightning cable what does that do for me [TS]

01:09:40   not a damn thing other than cost me [TS]

01:09:42   twenty bucks whatever it is so at some [TS]

01:09:45   point you have to rip the band-aid off [TS]

01:09:46   now maybe maybe it's too soon [TS]

01:09:49   maybe maybe this is not the right time I [TS]

01:09:51   don't have a good answer for that I that [TS]

01:09:53   very well could be true but at some [TS]

01:09:56   point [TS]

01:09:57   Apple has to say this new future where [TS]

01:10:00   any port can be anything to anyone is [TS]

01:10:05   worth fighting for and I personally am [TS]

01:10:08   okay with that i think i might be [TS]

01:10:10   standing alone on this one and that's [TS]

01:10:12   okay and it's kind of funny because i'm [TS]

01:10:13   actually not in the market for a laptop [TS]

01:10:14   and i probably won't be for another [TS]

01:10:16   couple of years at the earliest but I'd [TS]

01:10:20   i'm looking forward to getting one of [TS]

01:10:21   these I would like a lighter laptop do I [TS]

01:10:24   need one [TS]

01:10:25   no i don't but I'd like it I'd like a [TS]

01:10:29   laptop where i can plug in the power [TS]

01:10:30   port dammit r.i.p mac safe but be that [TS]

01:10:33   as it may i can plug in power to either [TS]

01:10:35   side as I see fit [TS]

01:10:36   why not we can do whatever I want I'd [TS]

01:10:38   like a laptop where I could plug in a [TS]

01:10:40   cheap docking station all the only [TS]

01:10:42   reason I haven't bought a thunderbolt [TS]

01:10:46   docking station which would be amazing [TS]

01:10:47   is well actually only plug a couple [TS]

01:10:49   things into my computer anyway but [TS]

01:10:50   beyond that they're freaking expensive [TS]

01:10:52   than like three hundred dollars for a [TS]

01:10:53   crappy docking station and I've seen [TS]

01:10:55   reasonable USBC docking stations for [TS]

01:10:58   like half that money [TS]

01:11:00   well that's because of the protocol not [TS]

01:11:01   the connector fair fair [TS]

01:11:04   and I'm frustrated not with any one [TS]

01:11:07   particular person i'm frustrated in [TS]

01:11:09   general because I understand where [TS]

01:11:11   you're coming from Marco and you're not [TS]

01:11:13   wrong [TS]

01:11:14   despite everything I've just said you're [TS]

01:11:16   not wrong but at the same time I just I [TS]

01:11:19   don't feel like this is such an affront [TS]

01:11:21   to the professional as everyone else in [TS]

01:11:24   the world seems to sew and since I'm the [TS]

01:11:26   only one that's making the speech it [TS]

01:11:28   seems I i guess on the one that's wrong [TS]

01:11:31   I mean but you know what I'm saying [TS]

01:11:32   maybe you didn't you just lump you lump [TS]

01:11:35   me in with Marco before and didn't even [TS]

01:11:36   ask me what I thought of this marker [TS]

01:11:38   mark already knows that we discussed in [TS]

01:11:40   slack at one point well John what do you [TS]

01:11:43   think i'll give you the floor sir I [TS]

01:11:45   again I understand everything that the [TS]

01:11:47   market was saying about this i think [TS]

01:11:50   that going all Thunderbolt three is the [TS]

01:11:55   right thing to do on these computers in [TS]

01:11:57   fact i wish they had even more ports [TS]

01:11:59   because i'm a port maniac and I'm i'm [TS]

01:12:02   mostly that's what I think if they had [TS]

01:12:03   the two laptops and Marco describe the [TS]

01:12:05   the bigger one than the skinny one [TS]

01:12:06   having the skinny womans Elmore it way [TS]

01:12:10   more like kind of the same reason that [TS]

01:12:11   the laptop that had a CF card slot like [TS]

01:12:14   the are not the CF card slot the pc card [TS]

01:12:17   formats pcmcia the expresscard 34 [TS]

01:12:20   yeah whatever I and the side of the 17 [TS]

01:12:22   inch laptop like that was sitting there [TS]

01:12:24   too had tons of ports and airports and [TS]

01:12:26   other laptop had because it could cause [TS]

01:12:27   it was big enough to have them right and [TS]

01:12:29   they just continue to design of people [TS]

01:12:31   bought it right I totally see the [TS]

01:12:32   trade-offs I hate dongles to I want the [TS]

01:12:35   future where everything is uniform I [TS]

01:12:37   think making machine like this brings [TS]

01:12:41   the future here sooner by forcing people [TS]

01:12:42   to do uncomfortable things the problem I [TS]

01:12:45   have [TS]

01:12:45   as with almost every other criticism [TS]

01:12:47   surrounding this event is not so much [TS]

01:12:49   with the machines that were introduced [TS]

01:12:51   but with the fact that hey Apple [TS]

01:12:53   if you really want to hasten the USBC [TS]

01:12:55   future put it on all your max and stop [TS]

01:12:57   selling the ones that don't have it but [TS]

01:13:00   I'm even more enthusiastic for please [TS]

01:13:02   get rid of all because we're never gonna [TS]

01:13:04   get rid as legacy USB stuff if Apple [TS]

01:13:06   keep selling year after year after year [TS]

01:13:08   computers with this character on the [TS]

01:13:10   current imac has this connector at the [TS]

01:13:11   current mac pro let's not even talk [TS]

01:13:13   about right this does not have [TS]

01:13:14   Thunderbolt three connectors and then [TS]

01:13:16   in fact nothing has done everything's on [TS]

01:13:19   the bag because it's just yeah so this [TS]

01:13:22   particular Mac if I had to pick what the [TS]

01:13:26   compliment of port should be on this [TS]

01:13:27   particular Mac the only difference i [TS]

01:13:29   would do is i would put the SD card slot [TS]

01:13:31   on it not be as Marco rant about info [TS]

01:13:34   today not because it's that big a deal [TS]

01:13:35   and most people don't use it but because [TS]

01:13:37   i think it's small [TS]

01:13:38   there's room for it and it is the one [TS]

01:13:40   thing with that there is not there's [TS]

01:13:42   nothing you can do to the outside that [TS]

01:13:43   Apple can do to the outside world to [TS]

01:13:46   force the outside world to come up with [TS]

01:13:47   a solution that obviates the need to put [TS]

01:13:49   a second SD card into something because [TS]

01:13:51   apple doesn't make standalone cameras so [TS]

01:13:53   they can't for stand on camera company [TS]

01:13:54   to suddenly make really fast reliable [TS]

01:13:56   wireless or really are improved USB or [TS]

01:14:00   anything like that that is going to make [TS]

01:14:02   it so that you have a solution that is [TS]

01:14:03   better than taking the SD card out right [TS]

01:14:05   so given that they can't do that and [TS]

01:14:07   there's no replacement for the SD card [TS]

01:14:10   just put the slot in there it's a little [TS]

01:14:11   bit easier it's not a big deal put it on [TS]

01:14:13   the big one like that is the only change [TS]

01:14:15   i would have made I would not put USB [TS]

01:14:16   type a character on this thing anywhere [TS]

01:14:18   I would not put an hdmi port I would not [TS]

01:14:20   do any of that stuff and I live in an [TS]

01:14:22   office where every conference room has [TS]

01:14:24   this Hydra of wires poking out of it [TS]

01:14:26   including dongle adapter or so too many [TS]

01:14:30   displayport mini DVI VGA all of which [TS]

01:14:33   are metal wired to leave me like this is [TS]

01:14:35   my wires things not because they think [TS]

01:14:38   we're going to steal them but because [TS]

01:14:39   like when they were loose people would [TS]

01:14:41   take them for one conference room to the [TS]

01:14:42   other and they would migrate around [TS]

01:14:43   people bring back their desks and write [TS]

01:14:45   their names on them in sharpie or [TS]

01:14:46   whatever dongles are terrible angles are [TS]

01:14:49   the devil right yeah I want to I want to [TS]

01:14:52   get the world but we can stop with that [TS]

01:14:53   and you're not going to get to the world [TS]

01:14:55   where you can stop with that unless you [TS]

01:14:57   just get rid of the old port so I'm all [TS]

01:14:59   I i agree with apples decision not to [TS]

01:15:01   put legacy parts in this my only quibble [TS]

01:15:03   I want to throw an SD card slot in there [TS]

01:15:05   everyone probably has their own quibble [TS]

01:15:06   there was a hdmi like for all the other [TS]

01:15:07   ones i wish i had an hdmi port dongles [TS]

01:15:09   are no eventually eventually someday [TS]

01:15:12   maybe possibly i don't maybe I'm maybe [TS]

01:15:14   I'm foolish to think this eventually all [TS]

01:15:17   the high-end peripherals should have a [TS]

01:15:19   little tiny connector on them like I [TS]

01:15:21   mean we're fighting fighting and vga for [TS]

01:15:23   how many decades now it's still out [TS]

01:15:25   there but I have you like now if you buy [TS]

01:15:26   like a projector for business [TS]

01:15:28   maybe they'll still come [TS]

01:15:29   with vga but I feel like now the tide is [TS]

01:15:32   turning a little bit to say alright [TS]

01:15:34   doesn't have a vga connector that's that [TS]

01:15:36   that's what the default connector be at [TS]

01:15:38   least DVI or something or maybe [TS]

01:15:40   displayport or maybe mini displayport [TS]

01:15:42   like I want to I want to hurt us towards [TS]

01:15:44   better standards i'm doing hand motions [TS]

01:15:46   here knocking examen des can hurt us [TS]

01:15:48   towards better standards and I want [TS]

01:15:51   Apple to help that along by purging [TS]

01:15:54   legacy ports so i'm actually mostly on [TS]

01:15:56   Casey side of us and by the way for the [TS]

01:15:58   specific computer for this thing big [TS]

01:15:59   things I just want to say I think if [TS]

01:16:01   Apple could have put 32 gigs in there [TS]

01:16:03   with the particular intel chipset they [TS]

01:16:05   would have I don't think they're holding [TS]

01:16:06   withholding it out a spider because they [TS]

01:16:07   don't think people need it is just like [TS]

01:16:10   they were as Marco said totally [TS]

01:16:11   dedicated to this than light thing and [TS]

01:16:13   16 is always good fit [TS]

01:16:15   it's gonna fit 32 they would offered in [TS]

01:16:17   charge just ate bajillion dollars for [TS]

01:16:18   like they usually do so i have some [TS]

01:16:21   faith that in 2018 when whatever the [TS]

01:16:25   follow-up is coffee like which is [TS]

01:16:28   apparently going to be the next [TS]

01:16:29   available Intel CPU with the good in bed [TS]

01:16:32   GPU that can support 32 gigs of ram with [TS]

01:16:36   the good chipset so 20 18 or 20 19 and [TS]

01:16:38   coffee like and then we will get our 32 [TS]

01:16:41   gig laptop and not before then and that [TS]

01:16:44   may be a long frustrating wait but for [TS]

01:16:45   this specific machine at this point I'm [TS]

01:16:47   16 gig ram disappointing but I can choke [TS]

01:16:51   it down and USBC along the side i'm [TS]

01:16:55   pretty much okay with it would like the [TS]

01:16:57   SD card slot but I am I is a mostly in [TS]

01:17:00   case you side with this for a fact that [TS]

01:17:02   you mentioned the band-aid thing I think [TS]

01:17:03   it's exactly what I mention I was [TS]

01:17:04   talking about this is lack like you know [TS]

01:17:06   earlier in the week [TS]

01:17:08   did you know rip the band-aid off and of [TS]

01:17:10   course you know again my complaint is [TS]

01:17:11   you're gonna rip the band-aid off you [TS]

01:17:13   can't do it by changing just one thing [TS]

01:17:14   and keep selling a friggin macbook air [TS]

01:17:15   forever so I'm still angry at Apple but [TS]

01:17:18   not about this machine about all the [TS]

01:17:20   other machines [TS]

01:17:21   well then I think that's the thing is [TS]

01:17:22   I'm not the first person I've said this [TS]

01:17:25   but i wonder if some of the the whining [TS]

01:17:28   and moaning about these computers is [TS]

01:17:32   less about these computers and more [TS]

01:17:34   about [TS]

01:17:35   feeling boxed so let's suppose I'm a [TS]

01:17:38   professional photographer and I want to [TS]

01:17:42   have this machine in the field that can [TS]

01:17:45   do I don't know whatever professional [TS]

01:17:47   photographer people do like plug in SD [TS]

01:17:49   cards and and do computationally [TS]

01:17:52   difficult things or yo have a bazillion [TS]

01:17:55   pictures open at once which somehow [TS]

01:17:56   necessitates 32 gigs of ram let you know [TS]

01:17:59   if this isn't for you [TS]

01:18:01   well there's no real mac pro option the [TS]

01:18:03   imac is below me because I'm a [TS]

01:18:05   professional [TS]

01:18:06   so what options are left and I think if [TS]

01:18:09   Apple had simultaneously released or [TS]

01:18:13   even made some amount of mention of hey [TS]

01:18:17   you know here's some other device be a [TS]

01:18:20   desktop or a super-crazy laptop that's [TS]

01:18:23   really terrible the professionals would [TS]

01:18:24   like it or some other thing then maybe [TS]

01:18:28   we wouldn't be so desperate but because [TS]

01:18:30   we're all you know in the middle of the [TS]

01:18:33   ocean in RN paddling and trying to stay [TS]

01:18:36   above water but our arms are getting [TS]

01:18:38   tired and we're wondering if Apple [TS]

01:18:40   really cares about us anymore that if [TS]

01:18:41   that life vest will ever appear we're [TS]

01:18:44   getting really really antsy and really [TS]

01:18:46   concerned over a computer that really [TS]

01:18:49   isn't meant for us like Marco you don't [TS]

01:18:51   even use a laptop on a regular basis yet [TS]

01:18:53   here you are fairly perturbed about this [TS]

01:18:56   particular laptop in and I feel because [TS]

01:18:58   I think because what you have to say [TS]

01:19:00   though because like because you have no [TS]

01:19:01   options [TS]

01:19:02   yeah is a pro and worried that I that [TS]

01:19:06   like the things i use are going to move [TS]

01:19:08   towards laptops and also sometimes i do [TS]

01:19:11   use a laptop like when I go away for [TS]

01:19:13   like a week at a time a few times a year [TS]

01:19:15   where I really do use that heavily [TS]

01:19:19   during that time so i do use I don't use [TS]

01:19:22   a laptop frequently but when i do use it [TS]

01:19:25   i use it heavily so I am a pro user when [TS]

01:19:28   I use my laptop's no question i think i [TS]

01:19:30   think Andrew Cunningham data are static [TS]

01:19:32   I had a good taking this is intro to the [TS]

01:19:33   review of the only review hardware the [TS]

01:19:36   people have which is the macbook escape [TS]

01:19:37   started by saying that mac users have [TS]

01:19:39   been frustrated with Apple lately and [TS]

01:19:41   you know the whole thing I'd like that [TS]

01:19:43   mac not getting updated as much and so [TS]

01:19:44   on and so forth and second paragraph is [TS]

01:19:46   the new macbook pros released for the [TS]

01:19:48   wreck [TS]

01:19:49   a year and a half after the 2015 models [TS]

01:19:51   which were in some cases changed very [TS]

01:19:52   little from 2014 20 30 ml have been [TS]

01:19:55   birthed into this error of frustration [TS]

01:19:57   that is the key thing is why you're just [TS]

01:19:59   getting AC is not so much that I think [TS]

01:20:01   people are particularly met at these [TS]

01:20:02   models whatever has quibbles about you [TS]

01:20:04   know what ports that happens then the [TS]

01:20:05   pricing and then 16 gig and stuff like [TS]

01:20:07   that but because they enter the world [TS]

01:20:10   that they're entering is the world in [TS]

01:20:11   which all the the most part in mac fans [TS]

01:20:14   are frustrated with the mac line and as [TS]

01:20:17   good as these may be the rest of the [TS]

01:20:19   line is still just sitting there [TS]

01:20:20   especially insulting least continuing to [TS]

01:20:23   be sold including the areas even after [TS]

01:20:24   this you know suppose a possible air [TS]

01:20:26   replacement that's the world these are [TS]

01:20:28   coming into so I think you're right that [TS]

01:20:29   a lot of the anger related to this event [TS]

01:20:31   is not about the computers that were [TS]

01:20:33   released it is that it's like if you're [TS]

01:20:36   already angry and someone does something [TS]

01:20:37   kind of nice [TS]

01:20:39   you can pick up the nice thing that they [TS]

01:20:40   did and say but I'm still angry about [TS]

01:20:42   that other crap and we are across the [TS]

01:20:44   line about the crap and the more logical [TS]

01:20:46   things like you said it in any sort of [TS]

01:20:48   situation you say well you know maybe [TS]

01:20:50   you should get this is what should i get [TS]

01:20:52   like my options [TS]

01:20:54   you know what I feel for the people who [TS]

01:20:55   want an inexpensive laptop computer like [TS]

01:20:59   well apple / reduce these Pro models but [TS]

01:21:01   what if you want to get a decent mac for [TS]

01:21:03   a low price [TS]

01:21:04   welcome to USB ale and welcome to not a [TS]

01:21:08   screen like you're going back in time to [TS]

01:21:11   buy a computer that is really super old [TS]

01:21:13   and his way crappier like so it's it's [TS]

01:21:16   really easy to be frustrated with the [TS]

01:21:19   mac line and apples treatment of it even [TS]

01:21:21   if you like the particular machines that [TS]

01:21:23   they released and if it if you're super [TS]

01:21:25   picky pro and then you look at the [TS]

01:21:26   machines they did release install i have [TS]

01:21:28   quibbles those as well it just adds up [TS]

01:21:30   to a very negative reaction i think i [TS]

01:21:32   put something in the end the show notes [TS]

01:21:33   of someone tweeting about this is a [TS]

01:21:36   steep frankly I was it's echoing what [TS]

01:21:38   you said the level of pushback from a [TS]

01:21:40   corporate event is staggering [TS]

01:21:41   I sure hope someone Apple who can make a [TS]

01:21:43   difference is paying attention like I i [TS]

01:21:45   agree that right or wrong you can see [TS]

01:21:46   all these people whining or complaining [TS]

01:21:47   or they don't have a reason we're it it [TS]

01:21:50   is a really weird vibe i cant a pretty [TS]

01:21:53   unprecedented vibe in the modern Apple [TS]

01:21:55   error for Apple to have a major [TS]

01:21:57   announcement of products and for the [TS]

01:21:59   reaction from the most ardent fans the [TS]

01:22:01   people [TS]

01:22:02   who are watching the livestream people [TS]

01:22:03   who knew there would be an event at all [TS]

01:22:05   the people who read text sites about the [TS]

01:22:07   event to have a vocal portion of that [TS]

01:22:10   yes it's all them not even say it's a [TS]

01:22:12   majority but definitely a vocal portion [TS]

01:22:14   of that their reaction to the event to [TS]

01:22:15   be like anger like Apple did something [TS]

01:22:17   wrong like maybe we should never lose [TS]

01:22:19   anything people are super angry at us [TS]

01:22:20   now [TS]

01:22:21   like before at least they were just [TS]

01:22:22   anticipating like well wait-and-see wait [TS]

01:22:24   and see but never like angry at us [TS]

01:22:25   this used to happen by the way all the [TS]

01:22:27   time before the jobs to our anytime [TS]

01:22:30   apple announced anything pretty much in [TS]

01:22:31   the nineties everyone all the apps mac [TS]

01:22:34   fans will get angry at Apple like this [TS]

01:22:35   was the vibe for pretty much the the you [TS]

01:22:38   know most of my childhood and young [TS]

01:22:42   adults that Apple was we were all angry [TS]

01:22:45   and apple for for not winning the mac pc [TS]

01:22:48   wars were all angry at apple for [TS]

01:22:50   allowing myself to dominate and all the [TS]

01:22:52   dumb things that they did that we think [TS]

01:22:53   they should have done differently which [TS]

01:22:54   would have you know solve this problem [TS]

01:22:56   whatever and anytime announced anything [TS]

01:22:58   we were angry about it because we knew [TS]

01:23:00   they needed a new operating system and [TS]

01:23:01   they denounced in your operating system [TS]

01:23:02   strategies we said the stocks this [TS]

01:23:04   operating system sucks what are you [TS]

01:23:05   doing when they announced Mac os10 [TS]

01:23:06   everyone's super angry I don't want to [TS]

01:23:08   terminal command line being angry Apple [TS]

01:23:10   used to be the vibe but then after jobs [TS]

01:23:13   turn it around every time there was an [TS]

01:23:15   apple that we would wait like it's [TS]

01:23:16   Christmas morning and be like oh goody [TS]

01:23:18   Apple things and we talked about them [TS]

01:23:20   and pick them whatever but we're all [TS]

01:23:21   excited by it and now it's like the [TS]

01:23:22   first turn back towards the dark side of [TS]

01:23:24   apple announces a bunch of stuff and [TS]

01:23:27   we're all just angry about the maximum [TS]

01:23:29   even the iphone stuff is a little bit [TS]

01:23:31   backlash I think the iphone stuff people [TS]

01:23:33   in kind of angry about the best more [TS]

01:23:35   like when you're really super successful [TS]

01:23:36   people want to tear you down right but [TS]

01:23:37   the mac stuff is like neglect and [TS]

01:23:40   frustration and then you release a bunch [TS]

01:23:43   of products that you know that the leave [TS]

01:23:46   a bunch of the don't address a whole [TS]

01:23:48   bunch of the frustration and the part of [TS]

01:23:49   the frustration they do address address [TS]

01:23:51   it in a way that is not satisfactory to [TS]

01:23:54   your most cranky users and so that that [TS]

01:23:57   I think explains this whole big vibe and [TS]

01:24:00   should Apple do something about it yet [TS]

01:24:02   they should update the rest of the [TS]

01:24:03   friggin max like that goes a long way to [TS]

01:24:05   go a long way to calming people down but [TS]

01:24:08   if I was apple i would mostly stay the [TS]

01:24:11   course on the USB things [TS]

01:24:13   about if I had to design the next [TS]

01:24:14   version of this and by the way they're [TS]

01:24:15   already rumors like hey guess what [TS]

01:24:17   super-secret totally made-up rumor next [TS]

01:24:19   year Apple is going to have macbook pros [TS]

01:24:21   that are cheaper and faster cpu that [TS]

01:24:24   their grandma whatever and you again as [TS]

01:24:27   Andrew Cunningham point out to the [TS]

01:24:28   person who reported like what are they [TS]

01:24:30   going to put in it it's gonna let them [TS]

01:24:32   to 30 years around that the way for [TS]

01:24:33   coffee lake or they have to do something [TS]

01:24:34   radically different anyway um the next [TS]

01:24:36   revision of this thing if they put an SD [TS]

01:24:38   card slot on it just that one change [TS]

01:24:41   even for the people who don't use SD [TS]

01:24:42   card slots ever i think would be like [TS]

01:24:44   all right now [TS]

01:24:46   now Apple I see that you have seen my [TS]

01:24:47   concern you know how to you have not [TS]

01:24:49   actually addressed it because i want an [TS]

01:24:50   hdmi port at least now i see that you [TS]

01:24:53   are taking our feedback into [TS]

01:24:54   consideration and are correcting your [TS]

01:24:57   course by making the iphone success less [TS]

01:25:00   bendy and slightly more grippy by making [TS]

01:25:02   the iphone 7 group you're still and [TS]

01:25:03   waterproof you know by what I also had [TS]

01:25:07   on the neckline and keeping a file is [TS]

01:25:09   generated by not making it glass front [TS]

01:25:11   and back after the 4-series because that [TS]

01:25:13   broke a lot like that's all we want to [TS]

01:25:15   see at this point for the process [TS]

01:25:16   specifically is maybe some slight [TS]

01:25:18   reconsideration of the next iteration of [TS]

01:25:21   this but again their hands are tied [TS]

01:25:22   because of Intel's things on I don't [TS]

01:25:24   think we're going to see a lot of [TS]

01:25:25   Corrections they're just need to update [TS]

01:25:28   the rest of the line force the rest of [TS]

01:25:30   the world into the USBC utopia that we [TS]

01:25:33   were all promised get away from those [TS]

01:25:35   giant usba connectors i hope we start [TS]

01:25:37   looking at them like I look at schedule [TS]

01:25:39   ports now like you believe we actually [TS]

01:25:40   had these things and plug stuff and do [TS]

01:25:42   it they're huge [TS]

01:25:43   what is it an air intake I don't get it [TS]

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01:27:49   why don't we have a touch of our [TS]

01:27:52   external keyboard yes we briefly briefly [TS]

01:27:53   talked about this last night was not so [TS]

01:27:56   briefly perhaps well either way I i want [TS]

01:28:00   one [TS]

01:28:00   some fierce but we don't have one yet is [TS]

01:28:03   it coming John I had one additional [TS]

01:28:05   thought about that don't want to throw [TS]

01:28:07   in here and we don't follow up [TS]

01:28:10   yeah well I think we've long since left [TS]

01:28:13   follow-up to be honest now we are still [TS]

01:28:15   wear these all follow up is all from the [TS]

01:28:16   things talked about last show with new [TS]

01:28:18   you know it's not like they announce any [TS]

01:28:20   new macbook pros were still just talked [TS]

01:28:21   about this last one [TS]

01:28:22   anyway i'm good for the keyboard with a [TS]

01:28:25   touch bar I thought of a reason that [TS]

01:28:27   once again I'm disappointed that no [TS]

01:28:29   listeners tweeted at me or emailed us [TS]

01:28:31   that the touch bar on the keyboard [TS]

01:28:35   not that this changes the odds of Apple [TS]

01:28:36   doing it but it makes me think that it [TS]

01:28:39   may not be as great and ideas if they [TS]

01:28:42   can then again i'm saying is having [TS]

01:28:43   never actually touch one of these [TS]

01:28:44   because they're not out yet right all [TS]

01:28:47   the way to try to undermine at work and [TS]

01:28:48   I told me sorry we're not getting in [TS]

01:28:49   your maximum februari so that comfort [TS]

01:28:52   ITA alright anyway but yeah the touch [TS]

01:28:56   bar on the laptops the whole idea about [TS]

01:29:01   this is a touch surface that's not the [TS]

01:29:03   screen so you're not reaching up to [TS]

01:29:04   touch screen is down by the keyboards on [TS]

01:29:06   level two keyboards with the rest of [TS]

01:29:07   your stuff but the touch bar is also a [TS]

01:29:09   screen and because the things on it [TS]

01:29:10   change you will have to look at it to [TS]

01:29:14   know like in this app will house the [TS]

01:29:16   context change or define the control [TS]

01:29:18   that you want because you can't sure [TS]

01:29:19   can't feel for anything on it and [TS]

01:29:21   especially if there's something visual [TS]

01:29:23   like a display their of a timeline or a [TS]

01:29:24   scrubber whatever you will have to [TS]

01:29:27   actually look at and on a laptop that [TS]

01:29:30   mostly works out because your line of [TS]

01:29:33   sight and focal distance on the laptop [TS]

01:29:36   screen which is when using touch bar is [TS]

01:29:38   not that far off from the the touch part [TS]

01:29:42   self screen touch bar screen touch are [TS]

01:29:44   not a big change in focal distance if [TS]

01:29:47   you're using a desktop and your keyboard [TS]

01:29:49   isn't in the right position or [TS]

01:29:50   economically and so is your screen [TS]

01:29:53   pretty big difference in focal distance [TS]

01:29:55   and most people who are touch typist [TS]

01:29:57   don't look at the keyboard ever on a [TS]

01:29:59   desktop because why would you can feel [TS]

01:30:01   where everything is [TS]

01:30:02   there's no reason to look down there and [TS]

01:30:04   there's a totally different focal [TS]

01:30:05   distance so experience-wise using the [TS]

01:30:08   touch bar not on a laptop may not be as [TS]

01:30:11   nice as experienced as using it on you [TS]

01:30:14   know on a thing with the screen is kind [TS]

01:30:16   of things like a heads-up display we're [TS]

01:30:17   like you don't have to look away from [TS]

01:30:19   the road as much look at your thing so I [TS]

01:30:21   don't know if Apple whatever trap that [TS]

01:30:23   out as a reason that they don't produce [TS]

01:30:24   the keyboard with this thing on it but i [TS]

01:30:26   think it may actually be a semi legit [TS]

01:30:28   reason why the touch bar is purely an [TS]

01:30:31   animal of the laptop and is not [TS]

01:30:33   everything that is destined to be on [TS]

01:30:35   desktop computers and one thing we don't [TS]

01:30:37   know yet is like is it really meant to [TS]

01:30:40   be like a continuous input device the [TS]

01:30:43   way trackpad or keyboard is or is it [TS]

01:30:45   really meant to be what the function row [TS]

01:30:48   was before which is basically occasional [TS]

01:30:50   utility functions right we don't really [TS]

01:30:52   know like obviously Apple has a lot of [TS]

01:30:54   lot of different demos and stuff that [TS]

01:30:55   they have in their effort we don't [TS]

01:30:57   really know yet how we use in practice [TS]

01:30:58   like will actually become a a really [TS]

01:31:01   primary pointing device or input device [TS]

01:31:03   or whether it whether it will just [TS]

01:31:05   become like a little utility thing if it [TS]

01:31:07   is the latter if it is just like a [TS]

01:31:08   little little utility thing it's a lot [TS]

01:31:11   less important to have on the desktop [TS]

01:31:13   you know it might never come and there [TS]

01:31:15   won't be strong demand for it and so it [TS]

01:31:17   might not be worth you know anything [TS]

01:31:19   that but if it does come to the desktop [TS]

01:31:21   somehow again if it is one of those like [TS]

01:31:23   you know occasional reference things [TS]

01:31:25   then it's ok to to change your I focal [TS]

01:31:29   distance to go to it because you're not [TS]

01:31:30   using a constantly whereas like if it's [TS]

01:31:33   actually meant to be like looking over [TS]

01:31:35   some of the ways it was demoed with [TS]

01:31:36   being things like a like a jog wheel in [TS]

01:31:38   Final Cut Pro and stuff like that like [TS]

01:31:40   that's like a a constant frequent type [TS]

01:31:42   of input device there if that's the kind [TS]

01:31:45   of thing that ends up being very useful [TS]

01:31:46   for it and we don't really know I mean [TS]

01:31:49   whatever apple says is not matter what [TS]

01:31:51   matters is what ends being useful in [TS]

01:31:52   practice right and we were we don't know [TS]

01:31:54   they added the nobody even have these [TS]

01:31:55   two review yet so we don't even know yet [TS]

01:31:57   but if that happens then I think you [TS]

01:31:59   have a bigger problem with like [TS]

01:32:01   frequently changing your your focal [TS]

01:32:02   distance and everything up and down from [TS]

01:32:04   the screening tool to the keyboard and [TS]

01:32:05   everything [TS]

01:32:06   although honestly just what I was just [TS]

01:32:08   happy that yesterday or the day before [TS]

01:32:10   using it for a while and I kind of was [TS]

01:32:13   playing less actually pretending that i [TS]

01:32:15   had touch bar [TS]

01:32:16   try to figure out like how does it feel [TS]

01:32:17   to reach up here for like scrolling or [TS]

01:32:20   jogging or editing operations and [TS]

01:32:21   everything it's kind of too high up for [TS]

01:32:24   me like four for ergonomics i am a [TS]

01:32:27   little concerned that it might not feel [TS]

01:32:30   very good to reach all the way up there [TS]

01:32:32   frequently for lots of interaction with [TS]

01:32:36   my hands like I feel like that it might [TS]

01:32:37   be a little uncomfortable organically [TS]

01:32:40   weird like if it's gonna be one of those [TS]

01:32:42   like continuous input devices [TS]

01:32:44   I feel like that's the kind of the wrong [TS]

01:32:46   spot for it and I recognize that like in [TS]

01:32:49   the right spot for that kind of thing [TS]

01:32:50   would probably be between the spacebar [TS]

01:32:52   and the trackpad but I also recognize [TS]

01:32:54   practically speaking like that's really [TS]

01:32:56   hard to design around and and probably [TS]

01:32:59   bad for like accidental input and [TS]

01:33:00   everything so that's probably why it's [TS]

01:33:02   not there but the way it is up top there [TS]

01:33:05   I do wonder a little bit about the [TS]

01:33:07   ergonomics of using it very often [TS]

01:33:09   well like I said the last week on the [TS]

01:33:11   show and as I tweeted in as I tried to [TS]

01:33:13   jam into a series of three tweets that I [TS]

01:33:15   initially screwed up and had to delete [TS]

01:33:16   and retain together boy really waiting [TS]

01:33:19   for that I added this to function on [TS]

01:33:20   Twitter and Dana anyway [TS]

01:33:22   hold your breath it may be that the [TS]

01:33:24   time-lapse the like imagining what has [TS]

01:33:26   happened to apple keyboard over the [TS]

01:33:28   years starting on the mac portable you [TS]

01:33:30   just watch the thing school wish in the [TS]

01:33:33   thing it just gets flatter and flatter [TS]

01:33:34   and flatter and the keys get so flat and [TS]

01:33:36   soon they're not even keys and sooner [TS]

01:33:37   like flush with the surface of thing [TS]

01:33:39   that is going down and open the screen [TS]

01:33:41   appears on the top of it done you just [TS]

01:33:42   keep extrapolating that out why is the [TS]

01:33:45   screen to the top [TS]

01:33:46   why isn't the screen at the bottom why [TS]

01:33:47   isn't the whole thing screen why isn't a [TS]

01:33:48   big force touch surface what you know [TS]

01:33:50   and that gets into all the Millennials [TS]

01:33:51   typing on the screens and the whole big [TS]

01:33:52   thing but seriously if you time lapse [TS]

01:33:55   that it's comical to like to just look [TS]

01:33:58   at it like that you don't really realize [TS]

01:34:01   how comical until I'm gonna need the mac [TS]

01:34:03   portable to do it right but just looking [TS]

01:34:05   at old laptop keyboard you're like this [TS]

01:34:06   is what the keys used to be like and in [TS]

01:34:08   some respects you're like wow look at [TS]

01:34:11   this travel so luxurious but another [TS]

01:34:13   respect [TS]

01:34:13   look at all this wasted space and air to [TS]

01:34:16   try to ape like the keyboard was taping [TS]

01:34:18   the typewriter which is it just like [TS]

01:34:19   this whole big chain of things and many [TS]

01:34:21   things to look more than likely start [TS]

01:34:23   shrinking so much and once you start [TS]

01:34:24   adding screens like what are we even [TS]

01:34:25   doing here again I talked about in the [TS]

01:34:27   last [TS]

01:34:27   show it just seems like a [TS]

01:34:28   straightforward extrapolation to say [TS]

01:34:30   that surface doesn't need to be keyboard [TS]

01:34:34   at a certain point it's better to have a [TS]

01:34:35   bunch of reconfigurable images on a [TS]

01:34:37   tactic screen with force and blah blah [TS]

01:34:39   blah and that's what everyone says well [TS]

01:34:41   you can extrapolate that's ridiculous [TS]

01:34:43   like a slippery slope thing you have to [TS]

01:34:44   leave the keys there like at a certain [TS]

01:34:47   point do you how funky like do they have [TS]

01:34:49   to make the keys before you don't notice [TS]

01:34:51   any difference like all they have to [TS]

01:34:53   move it's really important for touch [TS]

01:34:54   typing and this and that and the other [TS]

01:34:55   thing like we're all die in the kids [TS]

01:34:58   that replaces might not have the same [TS]

01:34:59   ties to typing just never learn to type [TS]

01:35:01   in value may take a long time to happen [TS]

01:35:03   that seems to be where it's going and [TS]

01:35:05   the reason that would work and and gets [TS]

01:35:07   into one market was saying about what [TS]

01:35:09   part is the most comfortable to use the [TS]

01:35:10   reason I would work on a laptop [TS]

01:35:12   form-factor specifically where you have [TS]

01:35:13   to have the screen and the keyboard [TS]

01:35:16   connected together because they fold and [TS]

01:35:17   it's all part of the whole portability [TS]

01:35:19   thing is because the focal distance is [TS]

01:35:21   not that different because looking down [TS]

01:35:24   at the keyboard any part of the keyboard [TS]

01:35:25   on a laptop is not that far from looking [TS]

01:35:28   down at the screen because they're [TS]

01:35:30   attached to each other and so if you did [TS]

01:35:32   have some kind of you I on the flat part [TS]

01:35:34   it is still more comfortable it is still [TS]

01:35:36   gets back to what everyone you know an [TS]

01:35:38   apple is always said and we all believe [TS]

01:35:39   with you know you don't want to touch [TS]

01:35:41   the big vertical screen but there is a [TS]

01:35:43   horizontal surface you can touch and you [TS]

01:35:44   can type on it using the trackpad on it [TS]

01:35:46   now you can use a touch screen on it [TS]

01:35:47   it's not making a touchscreen that quote [TS]

01:35:50   unquote and it's not like you know [TS]

01:35:51   people keep doing your thing you just [TS]

01:35:52   say it's going to turn into a bigger [TS]

01:35:53   ipad which may be well and again we will [TS]

01:35:55   talk about the microsoft server studio [TS]

01:35:57   eventually I promise I won't let go off [TS]

01:35:58   the list but having a horizontal surface [TS]

01:36:02   that you use your fingers on that is [TS]

01:36:05   ergonomically viable we do all the time [TS]

01:36:07   we call the keyboard and trackpad and [TS]

01:36:08   now a touch bar it is not ridiculous to [TS]

01:36:12   think that the parts of the horizontal [TS]

01:36:15   surface that we touch that are now fixed [TS]

01:36:16   in hardware could one day be [TS]

01:36:18   reconfigured on the same way as a touch [TS]

01:36:20   bar to touch bar is in any way [TS]

01:36:22   successful as an experiment as a feature [TS]

01:36:25   that we put out into the world and [TS]

01:36:26   people try and you can see how it works [TS]

01:36:27   it is in any way successful even if [TS]

01:36:28   people say just like Marco it's fine but [TS]

01:36:31   they don't like reaching up there that [TS]

01:36:32   just mean the concept is bad [TS]

01:36:33   that just means they didn't do it enough [TS]

01:36:35   right so i think that that time lapse [TS]

01:36:39   not extrapolation clearly [TS]

01:36:41   in one direction one direction only in [TS]

01:36:42   that direction is not a move from [TS]

01:36:44   Apple's insistence on that people don't [TS]

01:36:46   touch vertical screens again by a touch [TS]

01:36:47   screen windows laptop and be poking at [TS]

01:36:49   the screen some people like it and some [TS]

01:36:50   people that reported like you get one of [TS]

01:36:52   those you instinctively start touching [TS]

01:36:53   laptop screens which by the way is [TS]

01:36:55   terrible you should never touch a laptop [TS]

01:36:56   screen that's a separate issue as a [TS]

01:36:58   personal issue i'll read right but [TS]

01:37:01   apples thing is horizontal surface with [TS]

01:37:04   touch so i think i think this is a place [TS]

01:37:06   where we could go where I would be [TS]

01:37:07   excited to see them go because at least [TS]

01:37:09   then you start to read the advantages [TS]

01:37:12   that come along with having horrible [TS]

01:37:15   keyboards right like right now we're [TS]

01:37:16   like we're going to keep making your [TS]

01:37:18   keyboard smaller and smaller and flatter [TS]

01:37:19   and flatter and less and less like a [TS]

01:37:20   keyboard that you like but you're not [TS]

01:37:22   going to get over that you know the big [TS]

01:37:24   wind you get by saying guess what it's [TS]

01:37:26   all screen and you can do amazing things [TS]

01:37:27   for you could be cuz imagine the [TS]

01:37:29   interface that you could do [TS]

01:37:30   Margo with like your podcast editing [TS]

01:37:32   suite where you'd want limited to just a [TS]

01:37:34   reconfigurable touch bar and weren't [TS]

01:37:36   limited to totally screen Louis trackpad [TS]

01:37:38   could actually draw controls down there [TS]

01:37:40   for editing on a laptop that could be [TS]

01:37:43   amazing right that could be pretty [TS]

01:37:45   amazing but you definitely wouldn't like [TS]

01:37:46   that keyboard so you may just have to [TS]

01:37:48   wait until you die and and Adam grows up [TS]

01:37:50   and he can make that podcast that our [TS]

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01:39:28   you know back plays and I both agree you [TS]

01:39:29   should still do local backups you could [TS]

01:39:31   still do time machine if you can you [TS]

01:39:33   still do a disclosure like SuperDuper if [TS]

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01:39:37   backup because it saves you from a whole [TS]

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01:40:20   ah so we forgot to talk about earlier [TS]

01:40:26   when you were talking about the new [TS]

01:40:29   macbook pro how excited are you for [TS]

01:40:32   years to arrive because you ordered the [TS]

01:40:34   macbook escape [TS]

01:40:35   I did order the macbook escape and I [TS]

01:40:37   cancel it before it's shipped because [TS]

01:40:39   insert the markers waffling jingle right [TS]

01:40:41   here [TS]

01:40:41   yep yeah Americans wrongfully maybe [TS]

01:40:45   that's me that's the Jingle yeah [TS]

01:40:48   basically uh I I still might get 1i [TS]

01:40:50   haven't decided for sure i'm not getting [TS]

01:40:52   one but as I looked at more the specs [TS]

01:40:55   and I thought about it more and as some [TS]

01:40:57   of the early reviews are coming and I [TS]

01:40:59   figured you know what I think I want to [TS]

01:41:01   wait until I could actually try to [TS]

01:41:03   keyboard in a store i can actually see [TS]

01:41:06   it [TS]

01:41:06   next to the 15 eggs and really decide [TS]

01:41:08   that you know and hopefully trucks bar [TS]

01:41:10   in store to really decide that because [TS]

01:41:13   my laptop is fine i'm not in a huge rush [TS]

01:41:15   it the only thing ever that really [TS]

01:41:16   drives me nuts about it is that I'm [TS]

01:41:18   always out of space because I got the [TS]

01:41:20   base model which is awesome in every [TS]

01:41:21   single way except the hard drive space [TS]

01:41:23   is not nearly enough so i'm always have [TS]

01:41:25   a space on and it's a huge pain and it [TS]

01:41:27   is a big problem for how I work but if I [TS]

01:41:30   just Casey it up i can just bring a [TS]

01:41:31   little extra national driving everywhere [TS]

01:41:33   I go and plug it in and call and i'll [TS]

01:41:36   have my bag dongles then wrap it all up [TS]

01:41:40   and in my tambien palace or whatever it [TS]

01:41:42   is [TS]

01:41:42   mhm and i love it i'll go full blast for [TS]

01:41:46   Casey and and just plug in a bunch of [TS]

01:41:48   crafts my laptop and and so I will solve [TS]

01:41:50   the problem that we hit that way until I [TS]

01:41:53   can figure out what i want to do because [TS]

01:41:55   honestly like once you and I mean I [TS]

01:41:58   didn't feel good about how much it costs [TS]

01:42:00   like the configuration i got was the i7 [TS]

01:42:03   cpus a high cpu and 16 gigs and 512 SSD [TS]

01:42:08   and that put it up to 2,200 dollars and [TS]

01:42:13   like you know I don't feel good about [TS]

01:42:15   spending that much on a 13-inch even I [TS]

01:42:17   suspect one like that that doesn't feel [TS]

01:42:19   great to me and I realized you know I [TS]

01:42:22   acted I could do that but i'm not even [TS]

01:42:25   sure like I i once again had 15 inch [TS]

01:42:28   regret or like i was i would like the [TS]

01:42:31   fear of 15 entry great basically like as [TS]

01:42:34   i mentioned before like I have sometimes [TS]

01:42:35   regret not getting a 15-inch and when [TS]

01:42:37   I've had the 15-inch I've always liked [TS]

01:42:38   ma'am so that teenage so I'm like you [TS]

01:42:41   know I should probably wait and actually [TS]

01:42:42   try the new one first so that that's [TS]

01:42:44   basically and i'm going to wait until [TS]

01:42:45   the new ones are actually in stores and [TS]

01:42:47   until people have reviews of all the [TS]

01:42:49   different configurations and that [TS]

01:42:52   real-world battery tests like the the [TS]

01:42:54   reviews of the macbook escape i guess [TS]

01:42:56   the embargo was lifted today so a whole [TS]

01:42:58   bunch of reviews can I like the like the [TS]

01:43:00   aforementioned ours one and ours did a [TS]

01:43:02   battery test that showed interestingly [TS]

01:43:04   basically that the the low demand [TS]

01:43:07   battery life is ridiculous it's what I [TS]

01:43:10   think it was like 16 hours or something [TS]

01:43:12   it's ridiculously good but the if you [TS]

01:43:14   actually stress the processor it's two [TS]

01:43:17   hours [TS]

01:43:18   it's like well yeah that's actually [TS]

01:43:20   that's very similar to the current ones [TS]

01:43:22   like the current ones if you really [TS]

01:43:24   stretchy turn the brightness down if you [TS]

01:43:26   really are gentle on it [TS]

01:43:27   on my fifteenth now i can get 10 hours [TS]

01:43:29   but not if I'm doing it I'm like using [TS]

01:43:32   Xcode or including mp3 or doing it doing [TS]

01:43:35   audio editing forget it then that i'm [TS]

01:43:36   closer to five hours maybe [TS]

01:43:39   and if I'm actually maxing out all the [TS]

01:43:40   cpu cores like for instance doing a big [TS]

01:43:43   lightroom import as i discovered this [TS]

01:43:44   summer two hours but so this actually [TS]

01:43:48   isn't that different facility basically [TS]

01:43:51   a guy i wonder what the real word [TS]

01:43:54   battery life will be of the other two [TS]

01:43:56   models i'm actually not quite concerned [TS]

01:43:58   because it's like what I saw I cancel [TS]

01:44:00   this like back on i think sunday [TS]

01:44:02   whatever is when I saw the better test [TS]

01:44:04   direction they can man I i bet the the [TS]

01:44:06   battery life under moderate to heavy [TS]

01:44:09   loads of the touch bar models is [TS]

01:44:11   probably going to be terrible but we [TS]

01:44:14   will see [TS]

01:44:14   I mean two hours already pretty terrible [TS]

01:44:16   but that's like the low-power one of the [TS]

01:44:17   biggest battery so I that's a little [TS]

01:44:21   scary [TS]

01:44:21   I also thought you know what nothing [TS]

01:44:24   really wrong with my current one besides [TS]

01:44:25   having no storage space so maybe they [TS]

01:44:28   just upgrade it and deal with it and [TS]

01:44:31   live with it for a long time because it [TS]

01:44:33   has a keyboard i like it has a trackpad [TS]

01:44:34   i like it has lots of ports that come in [TS]

01:44:37   handy as the SD card reader that i use [TS]

01:44:39   frequently so you know I'm probably just [TS]

01:44:41   keep it for a while because there's [TS]

01:44:42   there's no pressing need to upgrade [TS]

01:44:45   other than that stupid storage issue and [TS]

01:44:47   just wanting the newest thing enough [TS]

01:44:49   food next week i could have ordered a 15 [TS]

01:44:51   X who knows very well could be [TS]

01:44:54   and John you've been waffling apparently [TS]

01:44:56   yeah this was just another misplaced [TS]

01:44:59   item and the things we talked about it [TS]

01:45:01   was about the display and the imac vs [TS]

01:45:03   nothing pro but are going to be screwed [TS]

01:45:04   up the order so that was my waffling [TS]

01:45:06   you're welcome although not really [TS]

01:45:08   because i have to say like Marcus [TS]

01:45:10   waffling when i introduced the the the [TS]

01:45:12   concept of this segment the way back [TS]

01:45:14   when is that you know it's really you [TS]

01:45:16   know it's nice to make fun of but it's [TS]

01:45:17   really changing your position [TS]

01:45:19   information changes but the true [TS]

01:45:21   waffling waffling is Marco acting [TS]

01:45:24   impulsively because no new information [TS]

01:45:26   has come to light [TS]

01:45:26   he had just not fully assess his [TS]

01:45:28   feelings until after he placed the order [TS]

01:45:30   right so that's that's awful [TS]

01:45:32   in the true sense where a more cautious [TS]

01:45:34   approach might have been to hash out [TS]

01:45:36   these internal things before placing [TS]

01:45:38   order he's just lucky that Apple isn't [TS]

01:45:40   ship things very quickly because you [TS]

01:45:41   could be having to deal with a return [TS]

01:45:43   here where you know again no new [TS]

01:45:45   information has come to light [TS]

01:45:46   I think really marcos internal landscape [TS]

01:45:48   that has changed in the past two days or [TS]

01:45:51   whatever [TS]

01:45:51   well and lots of people do that lot of [TS]

01:45:53   people will order things and they don't [TS]

01:45:55   want them to turn them and i've only [TS]

01:45:56   done that once with the with the macbook [TS]

01:45:57   1i really don't like doing that I i [TS]

01:46:00   really didn't really sell them like the [TS]

01:46:01   mac pro I know [TS]

01:46:02   yeah well yeah they returning stuff like [TS]

01:46:05   aii i feel bad like I know it's there [TS]

01:46:08   for a reason I know that Apple probably [TS]

01:46:10   doesn't really care if i return it but I [TS]

01:46:12   I feel bad that I know that like I'm [TS]

01:46:15   invoking this clause that is not meant [TS]

01:46:16   to be invoked frequently there's a cost [TS]

01:46:19   to it people are bearing cost to this [TS]

01:46:20   it's not it isn't meant to be like a [TS]

01:46:22   free home trial so I i try to return [TS]

01:46:26   things if necessary for a possible [TS]

01:46:28   rather than enough [TS]

01:46:30   why is there no true tone displaying the [TS]

01:46:33   macbook pros what's up with that two [TS]

01:46:35   theories one is just like they didn't [TS]

01:46:37   get around to it because this is really [TS]

01:46:38   old design of a machine you know like [TS]

01:46:40   all the lead times and this could have [TS]

01:46:41   been released during her and blah blah [TS]

01:46:42   like that's the obvious explanation like [TS]

01:46:45   it's just not there because timelines [TS]

01:46:47   and even though this mac is coming out [TS]

01:46:49   now we all know that they have been [TS]

01:46:50   delayed because we were waiting for [TS]

01:46:52   intel cpus and also have other crap so [TS]

01:46:53   that the other possibility that occurred [TS]

01:46:56   to me is maybe it's because it doesn't [TS]

01:47:00   feature isn't there but why even if it [TS]

01:47:02   was there why some people might not [TS]

01:47:04   enable it for people doing color [TS]

01:47:06   sensitive work on this screen and I [TS]

01:47:08   guess there are those out there like [TS]

01:47:10   good because it does have the p3 screen [TS]

01:47:12   almost up wouldn't you kind of not want [TS]

01:47:15   your screen to change color profile [TS]

01:47:18   based on the ambient light to try to get [TS]

01:47:20   a more consistent color experience I [TS]

01:47:24   don't know enough about are you know [TS]

01:47:26   maybe ours would want that because I [TS]

01:47:28   look if you don't change its gonna look [TS]

01:47:29   weird when you're in you know sodium [TS]

01:47:31   lights vs fluorescence vs whatever not [TS]

01:47:33   that they're going to be doing their [TS]

01:47:35   work on the side of the road under [TS]

01:47:36   sodium lights but anyway maybe they [TS]

01:47:38   wouldn't want to change but i can also [TS]

01:47:39   imagine them saying I just want to [TS]

01:47:41   calibrate my screen and have it the way [TS]

01:47:43   I want it [TS]

01:47:43   and not have to worry about whether the [TS]

01:47:46   studio lights are on or off and having [TS]

01:47:48   to change the color right so that made [TS]

01:47:50   it maybe there's not a lot of demand for [TS]

01:47:52   what I'm saying well but I mean it's you [TS]

01:47:55   know you can't like whip out your use [TS]

01:47:58   cases selectively to justify certain [TS]

01:48:00   things which Apple does like you know [TS]

01:48:01   you if you say like you know people [TS]

01:48:04   don't really want a max because they [TS]

01:48:05   want their color accuracy [TS]

01:48:06   well don't people want that on iPads to [TS]

01:48:09   like it was on the ipad so like I don't [TS]

01:48:11   think people are doing as much pro [TS]

01:48:13   working i was saying it like that it's [TS]

01:48:15   not a reason not to include it but it's [TS]

01:48:16   a reason that even if they did included [TS]

01:48:18   i think some people might want to turn [TS]

01:48:19   it off but you can do you can do in the [TS]

01:48:21   iPads to right it's just a target which [TS]

01:48:23   I guess that's what I'm saying so I [TS]

01:48:24   think actually if and when they do [TS]

01:48:26   eventually introduced it i can imagine [TS]

01:48:27   people saying oh that's nice but I'm [TS]

01:48:29   never going to use that because i do [TS]

01:48:30   professional color work on it and you [TS]

01:48:33   know and i have on my iPad pro i have it [TS]

01:48:36   enabled and i have to say it is subtle [TS]

01:48:38   enough that I don't notice it unlike the [TS]

01:48:40   stupid thing that makes your drive and [TS]

01:48:41   look like someone peed on it when the [TS]

01:48:42   Sun Goes Down I don't notice that your [TS]

01:48:46   tone is it is subtle enough and I know [TS]

01:48:48   the lighting in my house is totally like [TS]

01:48:49   you know very warm compared to what uh [TS]

01:48:52   lighting could be another situation like [TS]

01:48:54   but I don't notice the transports but i [TS]

01:48:55   think it's great for you know playing [TS]

01:48:57   consumer uses of it but like that's in [TS]

01:49:01   other words that's why I think you don't [TS]

01:49:03   hear people like people are complaining [TS]

01:49:04   about the ports and about 30 gigs of ram [TS]

01:49:07   i haven't heard any professional users [TS]

01:49:09   complained that there's no John yeah [TS]

01:49:11   well it would wear it make where it is [TS]

01:49:13   nice to have though is an even and phil [TS]

01:49:16   mentioned this in when he was doing the [TS]

01:49:17   presentation of the ipad pro and [TS]

01:49:19   announcing true tone he said something [TS]

01:49:20   on the lines of like once you once you [TS]

01:49:22   have it you don't want to go back [TS]

01:49:23   because like once you have displays in [TS]

01:49:27   your life that are adjusting color [TS]

01:49:30   temperature throughout the day for [TS]

01:49:31   whatever reason whether it's reacting to [TS]

01:49:32   the room lighting or whether it's you [TS]

01:49:34   know doing something like night shift /a [TS]

01:49:36   whatever the flux p screen is what [TS]

01:49:38   you're thinking of [TS]

01:49:39   yes once you have like one of the [TS]

01:49:41   screens in your life doing that it's [TS]

01:49:44   really weird and jarring to have other [TS]

01:49:45   ones that aren't and so like if you are [TS]

01:49:48   getting into the lifestyle of flux /p [TS]

01:49:50   screens last night shift and and true [TS]

01:49:52   tone which are I think really two [TS]

01:49:54   different degrees of us of a similar [TS]

01:49:55   kind of thing [TS]

01:49:56   you want all your screens to have it i [TS]

01:49:58   think that's I think it's only true of [TS]

01:50:00   the night shift things because i have i [TS]

01:50:01   do i use but every day i use both my [TS]

01:50:04   iPad and at least one other screen [TS]

01:50:06   that's not color adjusted so true tone i [TS]

01:50:09   think is subtle enough that's what I'm [TS]

01:50:10   saying that you don't notice that you [TS]

01:50:11   just think it's the same like this i do [TS]

01:50:13   i'm using a different room so I don't [TS]

01:50:15   have them side-by-side perhaps if I had [TS]

01:50:16   them side-by-side I would notice the [TS]

01:50:18   difference but when im using my iPad [TS]

01:50:20   usually in my bedroom and then I come [TS]

01:50:21   down to use the fat ki Mac I do not [TS]

01:50:24   notice the different I think I wouldn't [TS]

01:50:26   notice if it was nice just because again [TS]

01:50:27   that is super noticeable you like all [TS]

01:50:29   the screen is so blue after sitting in [TS]

01:50:31   front of your p yellow I max screen [TS]

01:50:34   I mean it is yellow but i like it it's [TS]

01:50:36   it it's probably a placebo but it feels [TS]

01:50:38   like it so much easier your computer [TS]

01:50:40   look like it's broken [TS]

01:50:41   pretty much like my daddy would be like [TS]

01:50:43   is the green connector loosen the back [TS]

01:50:45   of your manager with a little bit [TS]

01:50:47   hey I still have component of my bedroom [TS]

01:50:50   TV so I know what you're talking about [TS]

01:50:51   the max startup chime is dead and I [TS]

01:50:56   don't care [TS]

01:50:56   so anything else would happen if there's [TS]

01:50:58   a bunch of asterisks on that they're [TS]

01:50:59   like it's it's off by default but you [TS]

01:51:01   can enable it with these nvram commands [TS]

01:51:03   and yeah yeah we'll put a link in the [TS]

01:51:05   show notes to how you can enable the [TS]

01:51:06   other weird one they're doing this weird [TS]

01:51:08   stuff with with power and opening the [TS]

01:51:10   lid on the macbook pros which mostly is [TS]

01:51:13   a good idea like basically when you open [TS]

01:51:15   the lid the thing boots which I think [TS]

01:51:19   makes sense for most people because most [TS]

01:51:21   people like why you even opening and if [TS]

01:51:23   you're not going to her and on but if [TS]

01:51:24   you're an old person who's not used to [TS]

01:51:27   that happening [TS]

01:51:27   you can turn off with another NVR have [TS]

01:51:30   same thing the start time and like the [TS]

01:51:32   start time has been compared to the [TS]

01:51:33   happy mac which I don't know you if you [TS]

01:51:34   guys still have max back with a little [TS]

01:51:35   happy Mac appear did your first max out [TS]

01:51:37   that no one hurt so you would turn on [TS]

01:51:40   the magnets from the original mac and a [TS]

01:51:42   little tiny pixel art thing Susan Carol [TS]

01:51:44   pixel art of the original Macintosh with [TS]

01:51:45   a happy smiling face on it would appear [TS]

01:51:47   and that was a super important part of [TS]

01:51:49   the original Macintosh experience along [TS]

01:51:52   with the whole rest of the GUI and the [TS]

01:51:54   funny thing called the mouse with the [TS]

01:51:55   wire and everything like that and lasted [TS]

01:51:57   for years long after max didn't look [TS]

01:51:59   like that anymore long after Apple was [TS]

01:52:01   no longer selling max like that you'd [TS]

01:52:02   buy like a you know you buy a titanium [TS]

01:52:05   powerbook you boot it and they would [TS]

01:52:07   have that picture on and people must be [TS]

01:52:09   think [TS]

01:52:10   what is that like people who didn't know [TS]

01:52:11   the original might like it doesn't look [TS]

01:52:13   like this computer in front of his like [TS]

01:52:14   is it like a little square person is it [TS]

01:52:16   a robot [TS]

01:52:17   I don't know that you know but it was [TS]

01:52:19   adorable and it was tradition and and we [TS]

01:52:21   liked and eventually Apple candidate [TS]

01:52:23   said when you turn on our computers now [TS]

01:52:24   you don't see that you just see this [TS]

01:52:25   apple logo and you know and so we can [TS]

01:52:28   have a separate debate about Apple's [TS]

01:52:30   dedication to whimsy and all sorts of [TS]

01:52:32   other things when happy Mac went away [TS]

01:52:33   was said the start time going away [TS]

01:52:37   same thing oh it's all the old [TS]

01:52:39   traditions or whatever i'm mostly okay [TS]

01:52:41   with this because you know traditions [TS]

01:52:44   have their time the happy mask had its [TS]

01:52:46   time and then it's time was over and the [TS]

01:52:48   startup chime is I think a vestige of [TS]

01:52:51   that same age and if anything probably [TS]

01:52:53   should have gone at the same time [TS]

01:52:54   because and you know when discussing [TS]

01:52:56   this you see all the people who are [TS]

01:52:57   super annoyed by the start time it is [TS]

01:52:59   kind of annoying and unexpected it's [TS]

01:53:00   from a time when booting the computer [TS]

01:53:02   was an event worthy of a sound that is [TS]

01:53:05   no longer the case because we're letting [TS]

01:53:06   up [TS]

01:53:07   first of all you shouldn't be rebooting [TS]

01:53:08   the computer just went to sleep at night [TS]

01:53:09   right and it's just not it's not a thing [TS]

01:53:12   that's done you're not rebooting [TS]

01:53:12   scratching all time which is the other [TS]

01:53:14   reason you hear all the chimes back in [TS]

01:53:15   the nineties in your office for macs [TS]

01:53:17   right there's the memory protection and [TS]

01:53:19   one bad programmer taking the whole [TS]

01:53:20   thing usually a nobody a product but but [TS]

01:53:23   it's not like that's a vestige of a [TS]

01:53:25   different age and I think at this point [TS]

01:53:27   it is more luxurious and more [TS]

01:53:29   sophisticated to not make a big boom [TS]

01:53:32   Here I am I'm turning on and yes their [TS]

01:53:34   reasons like oh well lets me know that [TS]

01:53:36   it posted correctly and now hear the [TS]

01:53:38   different sounds for when I have bad ram [TS]

01:53:39   and it sounds like glasses breaking and [TS]

01:53:41   there's an argument anyway there's not [TS]

01:53:43   enough whimsy and the apple stuff [TS]

01:53:44   although I do think like I said dragging [TS]

01:53:45   the little buttons down to the the the [TS]

01:53:49   touch bar from the main screen is [TS]

01:53:50   slightly where's the goal and same thing [TS]

01:53:52   with little genie animations and the [TS]

01:53:54   proofs and all the other crap lot of [TS]

01:53:56   which have gotten rid of I right but [TS]

01:53:57   anyway i'm ok with start I'm going away [TS]

01:54:00   and if you really want it back you can [TS]

01:54:02   get it back opening the lid and building [TS]

01:54:04   your thing probably feels weird to us [TS]

01:54:07   but I think that's mostly that's that's [TS]

01:54:09   mostly what regular people expect it [TS]

01:54:11   also gets them out of the business [TS]

01:54:12   having to find where to put the power [TS]

01:54:13   button but then it makes it harder for [TS]

01:54:15   people to figure out you know the sort [TS]

01:54:17   of hold down the power button for 10 [TS]

01:54:18   seconds when there's no power button [TS]

01:54:19   that was a question by the way about [TS]

01:54:20   touch bar when you're [TS]

01:54:22   in your touch bar computer freezes how [TS]

01:54:23   do you like hard reboot it [TS]

01:54:25   I don't know no I'm sure that I don't [TS]

01:54:28   know I'm sure there's some combination [TS]

01:54:29   of things you press but it was much more [TS]

01:54:30   obvious when there's a key somewhere on [TS]

01:54:31   there or a button or something like that [TS]

01:54:33   that had the power symbol on it that i [TS]

01:54:34   think people are somewhat familiar with [TS]

01:54:36   and now it's going to be a little trick [TS]

01:54:37   here I believe you hold down the touch [TS]

01:54:39   ID button and the volume down circle on [TS]

01:54:42   the touchstone yeah I'm sure there's [TS]

01:54:44   some way to do it but like but it is it [TS]

01:54:45   is less obvious then yeah [TS]

01:54:48   touch ID is the is the thing that it's [TS]

01:54:49   there's no like little power some water [TS]

01:54:51   anyway I'm okay with it surprisingly and [TS]

01:54:54   I'm the oldest Christian mac user ever [TS]

01:54:56   yeah I interests on that this is okay [TS]

01:54:59   with you I don't even know where to go [TS]

01:55:01   from here i guess now that we're done [TS]

01:55:02   with follow-up we can start the show [TS]

01:55:03   thanks 143 sponsors this week [TS]

01:55:06   Harry's Gasper and back plays and we'll [TS]

01:55:08   see you next week [TS]

01:55:11   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:55:16   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:55:20   it was accidental John did [TS]

01:55:24   any research Marco in kc would let down [TS]

01:55:28   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

01:55:32   and you can find show know today TV that [TS]

01:55:37   and if your twitter follow them [TS]

01:55:45   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:55:49   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our DC at [TS]

01:55:58   Syracuse [TS]

01:56:06   what [TS]

01:56:09   I knew it was gonna be a total follow-up [TS]

01:56:14   show but there was just so much more to [TS]

01:56:15   talk about that event that they have the [TS]

01:56:18   event that changed the macworld sort of [TS]

01:56:21   maybe well it was really what's changing [TS]

01:56:25   the macro is the slow neglected to [TS]

01:56:26   things are not mention it i'm not that [TS]

01:56:29   what changes the macworld is not going [TS]

01:56:30   to be announced in each it's gonna be [TS]

01:56:32   just like slowly trickled out through [TS]

01:56:34   press releases and controlled leaks so [TS]

01:56:37   here's the thing about like all of the [TS]

01:56:39   the crankiness from from you Margo and [TS]

01:56:40   also other people about like and [TS]

01:56:42   neglecting the macro the thing that I [TS]

01:56:45   find frustrating about it is it's so [TS]

01:56:47   clear that apples apples messages we [TS]

01:56:50   care about the mac like they said it in [TS]

01:56:52   so it's like an uncertain terms like Tim [TS]

01:56:55   Cook said it will show saying all the [TS]

01:56:56   interviews like they're not beating [TS]

01:56:58   around the bush and trying to say well [TS]

01:57:00   but we can do nice and they're like [TS]

01:57:01   emphatic like we care about the Mac the [TS]

01:57:04   Mac is really important to us as a [TS]

01:57:06   product and again doesn't matter what [TS]

01:57:07   they say and what they do but what it [TS]

01:57:08   means is that the message apples trying [TS]

01:57:11   to send is that they care about the mac [TS]

01:57:12   and if that's the message they want to [TS]

01:57:14   send like a day [TS]

01:57:15   why would they send that message like [TS]

01:57:16   they're not trying to trick us it's not [TS]

01:57:17   a trap they they want that to be the [TS]

01:57:20   message and it's almost as if like we [TS]

01:57:23   can't do anything in the short-term to [TS]

01:57:25   really convince you [TS]

01:57:26   so all we can really do is say like [TS]

01:57:28   peanut butter onto your products they [TS]

01:57:29   can't they're not going to come out and [TS]

01:57:32   say here's what we have in the pipeline [TS]

01:57:34   for the mac for the next year we realize [TS]

01:57:36   we've neglected over like that does not [TS]

01:57:37   their thing but they're totally saying [TS]

01:57:39   we care about the mac like yourself I [TS]

01:57:41   think for everybody says apple doesn't [TS]

01:57:43   care about the mac you have to basically [TS]

01:57:44   be saying that Apple is like lying to [TS]

01:57:46   trick you like you know that or you can [TS]

01:57:49   say they think they care about the mac [TS]

01:57:51   but they don't know how to care for the [TS]

01:57:52   mac anymore they're didn't know what the [TS]

01:57:53   mac needs the mac needs to go elsewhere [TS]

01:57:56   right but they are totally on the same [TS]

01:58:00   page the mac is very important to apple [TS]

01:58:02   it's super important to write the [TS]

01:58:04   history [TS]

01:58:05   going forward we care about it and I [TS]

01:58:07   really hope that is really true from top [TS]

01:58:08   to bottom because that gives me some [TS]

01:58:12   some notion that they will actually fix [TS]

01:58:15   things with their actions later because [TS]

01:58:16   it would be really weird for them to [TS]

01:58:18   emphatically say they care about the mac [TS]

01:58:19   as a reaction to all of us thinking that [TS]

01:58:22   don't and then just never do anything [TS]

01:58:24   different like that would be super weird [TS]

01:58:26   to me [TS]

01:58:26   so you do you think that there's hope in [TS]

01:58:29   sight I mean given that they're saying [TS]

01:58:31   so strongly all weekend we can we care [TS]

01:58:33   but earlier this episode you're thinking [TS]

01:58:35   oh there's not gonna be a new mac pro so [TS]

01:58:36   how do you feel [TS]

01:58:37   well I didn't macro is not the mac like [TS]

01:58:39   their vision of the name could be all [TS]

01:58:41   laptops right but all that would mean [TS]

01:58:43   it's like well then at least freaking [TS]

01:58:44   update your laptops are often and like [TS]

01:58:46   I'm hoping you know all the the angry [TS]

01:58:48   people are getting the message through [TS]

01:58:50   like if I if I had my way I would say [TS]

01:58:52   like say someone says you cannot desktop [TS]

01:58:55   maximum fine whatever the max just going [TS]

01:58:56   to be the laptop i would say get rid of [TS]

01:58:59   all the old model stop doing your thing [TS]

01:59:00   where you keep around for a long time [TS]

01:59:01   update your whole line have a lot of a [TS]

01:59:03   line of products from just under a [TS]

01:59:04   thousand dollars on up to the jillion [TS]

01:59:07   dollars that is all modern all nice all [TS]

01:59:10   updated msme yearly basis do that right [TS]

01:59:14   and then we'll be you know and then [TS]

01:59:16   beyond that is ok what you're gonna have [TS]

01:59:18   desktops to do XYZ but doesn't matter [TS]

01:59:20   whatever you decide to find the mac [