The Accidental Tech Podcast

192: Hello Again Again


00:00:00   when do I lon remember that all you did [TS]

00:00:02   you a lot fewer you're like messed up [TS]

00:00:04   what you were saying it started over and [TS]

00:00:05   then it's it was adorable market will [TS]

00:00:08   find it [TS]

00:00:08   ok i'm not mad about it I just don't [TS]

00:00:11   recall having done it [TS]

00:00:12   remember it ok let's sell and lock it up [TS]

00:00:17   a little for the second consecutive week [TS]

00:00:21   i think i'm the only one follow-up which [TS]

00:00:23   is kind of freaking me out a little bit [TS]

00:00:25   well John and I are just perfect now we [TS]

00:00:27   know just no one can challenge than [TS]

00:00:28   anything no I was going to put the same [TS]

00:00:30   thing in but you beat me to it so I just [TS]

00:00:31   let you do don't think thanks thanks [TS]

00:00:34   anyway sorry to try on your follow-up [TS]

00:00:37   sir [TS]

00:00:37   so anyway so there is a podcast by a [TS]

00:00:41   German fellow whose name I don't have in [TS]

00:00:43   front of me because I make the worst [TS]

00:00:45   show notes in the world Chris Marquardt [TS]

00:00:46   was very nice to talk about us on his [TS]

00:00:48   photography podcast tips from the top [TS]

00:00:50   floor was episode 748 it was about [TS]

00:00:54   halfway through the episode give or take [TS]

00:00:56   some so we'll put an overcast and [TS]

00:00:58   concerns as well we're just gonna we're [TS]

00:01:00   just gonna glide right by episode 748 of [TS]

00:01:04   a podcast well I mean that's impressive [TS]

00:01:06   748 that is the highest podcast episode [TS]

00:01:09   where I've ever seen in my life [TS]

00:01:11   no they go away higher than that so what [TS]

00:01:13   I mean obviously I don't listen to the [TS]

00:01:14   right kind of shows what kind of shows i [TS]

00:01:16   guess the Daily Show's go over or the [TS]

00:01:18   hundreds i don't want any daily podcast [TS]

00:01:20   sure I mean yeah obviously anything [TS]

00:01:22   Delhi last for more than a few years but [TS]

00:01:23   also like you'd be surprised how many [TS]

00:01:25   podcasts out there published more than [TS]

00:01:27   one episode a usually these are usually [TS]

00:01:30   these are things that are just dumped [TS]

00:01:32   off of radio broadcasts so you'll have [TS]

00:01:33   like to have like you know radio [TS]

00:01:36   broadcast of today our one hour to hour [TS]

00:01:39   three our four that's four different [TS]

00:01:41   episodes in the podcast [TS]

00:01:42   well I don't listen most kind of podcast [TS]

00:01:44   by right this is not that kind of [TS]

00:01:46   podcasts though I don't know that [TS]

00:01:47   anybody listen to those kind of podcast [TS]

00:01:48   but lots of people publish them [TS]

00:01:50   yeah that's weird so anyway so on 748 [TS]

00:01:53   episode 7 48 of Chris Marquardt's [TS]

00:01:55   podcast photography tips from the top [TS]

00:01:58   floor he discussed what we were [TS]

00:02:01   discussing about how to keep dust out of [TS]

00:02:04   your digital camera while you're [TS]

00:02:06   changing lenses and I thought that was [TS]

00:02:09   interesting discussion and the kind of [TS]

00:02:11   short short version is [TS]

00:02:13   really don't need to worry about it [TS]

00:02:14   because it's unlikely that you're going [TS]

00:02:16   to run into any sort of problem that [TS]

00:02:18   will cause a visual distortion on your [TS]

00:02:21   images and I'm oversimplifying for sure [TS]

00:02:24   you should definitely check out the [TS]

00:02:25   episode but there were three links that [TS]

00:02:28   that he pointed his listeners to [TS]

00:02:30   including me because I listened to it [TS]

00:02:31   and I think all three were lens i guess [TS]

00:02:34   all three were lens rentals.com blog [TS]

00:02:36   post now if you recall i think all three [TS]

00:02:38   of us certainly I have a that Ben [TS]

00:02:41   patrons of one's rentals they're not a [TS]

00:02:43   sponsor but we've all used them and [TS]

00:02:45   these three posts on their blog from as [TS]

00:02:48   far back as 2008 actually involve what [TS]

00:02:52   can happen to a lens and whether or not [TS]

00:02:56   that really affects the the image that [TS]

00:02:59   comes out of the camera and so they [TS]

00:03:02   talked about in the first one getting [TS]

00:03:05   lens dust on the screen and do some [TS]

00:03:07   really interesting Terrans dust Dustin [TS]

00:03:09   lens and do some really interesting [TS]

00:03:11   tasks to show that unless you get fairly [TS]

00:03:15   extreme and again i'm getting a little [TS]

00:03:16   hand waving over simplifying but unless [TS]

00:03:18   you get fairly extreme you're probably [TS]

00:03:20   not going to notice this distortion and [TS]

00:03:24   in fact they put little post-it note [TS]

00:03:26   slivers onto the lens to show that it [TS]

00:03:29   almost made no difference except very [TS]

00:03:31   extreme scenarios and that was just [TS]

00:03:34   mind-boggling to me that a little bit a [TS]

00:03:36   piece of post-it note that looked like [TS]

00:03:37   it was 23 millimeters square really in [TS]

00:03:41   in in basic setups didn't seem to matter [TS]

00:03:44   that blew my mind and when you when you [TS]

00:03:47   use really narrow aperture did seem to [TS]

00:03:50   matter but wide open especially made [TS]

00:03:51   almost no difference is that a fair [TS]

00:03:53   summary that first link all right i'll [TS]

00:03:55   take that as yes moving on this and then [TS]

00:03:58   the second link they had was about [TS]

00:04:02   scratches and whether or not scratches [TS]

00:04:04   on the lens make a difference and they [TS]

00:04:05   post they posted within their blog post [TS]

00:04:08   two pictures one is of a waste [TS]

00:04:11   management like dumpster [TS]

00:04:13   it is not on fire one is of a piece of [TS]

00:04:15   paper and these images I mean they're [TS]

00:04:19   not remarkable but there was no obvious [TS]

00:04:22   damage if you will to these images these [TS]

00:04:25   images look like they were taken with [TS]

00:04:26   regular lens and then you scroll down [TS]

00:04:28   and you see the lens they were taken [TS]

00:04:30   within it has like I don't know maybe 10 [TS]

00:04:33   cracks straight through the lens in you [TS]

00:04:36   know kind of like a wheel like spokes on [TS]

00:04:38   a wheel kind of shape it was crazy and [TS]

00:04:41   it is crazy to me that this lens that is [TS]

00:04:43   effectively shattered somehow ends up [TS]

00:04:46   producing images that are ok so those [TS]

00:04:50   were the two that i think were most [TS]

00:04:53   directly applicable to the sorts of [TS]

00:04:56   things that may be any one of us was [TS]

00:04:58   going to but the third one was the most [TS]

00:05:01   ridiculous which is it is entitled I [TS]

00:05:04   don't know why it swallowed a fly [TS]

00:05:06   weather-sealed lens with a fly inside a [TS]

00:05:09   spoiler alert this lens had a fly within [TS]

00:05:12   it [TS]

00:05:13   it is ridiculous that this fly got all [TS]

00:05:16   the way deep within this lens and they [TS]

00:05:18   in because this is their business they [TS]

00:05:19   had to take it apart and repair it and [TS]

00:05:20   they kind of go through how they did [TS]

00:05:21   that but it was incredible to me that [TS]

00:05:24   such a thing is even possible because i [TS]

00:05:26   assumed obviously ignorantly so i assume [TS]

00:05:29   that these things are like hermetically [TS]

00:05:30   sealed and all that but their point was [TS]

00:05:33   hey if this lens is a zoom lens where [TS]

00:05:36   things are moving something has to take [TS]

00:05:38   up the space that's just been vacated [TS]

00:05:41   and that thing is air so air is getting [TS]

00:05:43   in and out of these lenses whether you [TS]

00:05:45   like it or not and occasionally you can [TS]

00:05:46   find a pretty big gap where a small fly [TS]

00:05:48   can fly through so i just love these [TS]

00:05:50   were all really really interesting post [TS]

00:05:52   the the podcast Egyptian top floor [TS]

00:05:55   the episode was definitely really good [TS]

00:05:56   and worth listening to so definitely [TS]

00:05:59   check all this stuff out of here at all [TS]

00:06:00   interested in any of this and this is [TS]

00:06:02   also by the way one of the reasons why [TS]

00:06:04   the higher-end zoom lenses don't have [TS]

00:06:07   any externally moving elements most of [TS]

00:06:10   the time it's doesn't make a perfect [TS]

00:06:12   still stuff is still good especially [TS]

00:06:14   just being just like sucked in through [TS]

00:06:15   like you know seals and stuff but this [TS]

00:06:18   lens has one of those things really as [TS]

00:06:20   you zoom in the whole end of it gets a [TS]

00:06:22   lot longer as a whole kind of internal [TS]

00:06:24   barrel sticks out whereas the high-end [TS]

00:06:26   zoom lenses will typically retain their [TS]

00:06:29   exterior shape and dimensions at all the [TS]

00:06:32   different zoom lens like all the zoom is [TS]

00:06:34   basically happening [TS]

00:06:35   inside the lens and there's lots of [TS]

00:06:36   benefits that one of them is that is [TS]

00:06:38   less likely to suck in an entire fly [TS]

00:06:40   yeah it's just absolutely ridiculous to [TS]

00:06:42   me that any of this happened [TS]

00:06:44   yeah so the one thing about that was the [TS]

00:06:46   the main topic of conversation is the [TS]

00:06:47   idea of a door that goes down in front [TS]

00:06:49   of the sensor for when for when you're [TS]

00:06:51   changing lenses and so the most relevant [TS]

00:06:53   piece of information about that was the [TS]

00:06:56   idea that even when the lens on your [TS]

00:06:58   camera the dust can get inside and you [TS]

00:07:01   know the telescoping thing with the ones [TS]

00:07:02   that move externally with the with both [TS]

00:07:05   the internal and external ones that [TS]

00:07:06   probably did [TS]

00:07:07   depends on the design of the camera [TS]

00:07:09   because with a purely internal one there [TS]

00:07:11   doesn't need to be in a net air movement [TS]

00:07:12   inside and outside the lens because the [TS]

00:07:14   same amount of errors in there as long [TS]

00:07:15   as there are some way for you to hair [TS]

00:07:16   that's already inside the completely [TS]

00:07:18   unchanging shape of cylindrical barrel [TS]

00:07:20   the thing like that will be fine for the [TS]

00:07:22   ones that do move [TS]

00:07:24   I don't know enough about zoom lens to [TS]

00:07:25   know if there is a glass element between [TS]

00:07:28   the part that moves and the rest of the [TS]

00:07:30   camera so yes your mind that way you [TS]

00:07:32   have a thing where the lens actually [TS]

00:07:33   gets longer and shorter then there's [TS]

00:07:35   some air exchange taking place there but [TS]

00:07:37   is that air exchange causing air to [TS]

00:07:40   enter into the sensor chamber and out of [TS]

00:07:41   it or is it just causing air to enter [TS]

00:07:43   the the the front part of the zoom lens [TS]

00:07:45   in and out but either way the point is [TS]

00:07:47   when the lenses on things can get in i'm [TS]

00:07:50   still in favor of the door though i'll [TS]

00:07:52   tell you why the one of the owners of [TS]

00:07:53   the point was that like the dust just [TS]

00:07:55   floats in the air doesn't go down into [TS]

00:07:56   your camera but that's I mean it's true [TS]

00:07:58   the dust is not going to make a diving [TS]

00:08:00   purple bombing run for your camera soon [TS]

00:08:02   as it sees the lenses on because this is [TS]

00:08:04   not Cynthia but the net movement of dust [TS]

00:08:06   is still down that movement of us wasn't [TS]

00:08:09   down to be dust all over our ceilings [TS]

00:08:10   and all of our furniture and the other [TS]

00:08:14   thing is that really the type of things [TS]

00:08:15   that can get onto your sensor at the [TS]

00:08:18   lancer lens stuff is different things [TS]

00:08:20   can get onto your sensor small things [TS]

00:08:22   can make a big difference in particular [TS]

00:08:23   things that were on my sensor the theory [TS]

00:08:25   that people had is that it was big [TS]

00:08:27   enough for me to see and it was it stuck [TS]

00:08:28   to the thing i must in pollen or [TS]

00:08:30   something [TS]

00:08:30   the the bigger that the trunk or the [TS]

00:08:33   piece of dust the harder it is for it to [TS]

00:08:36   get through any kind of ceiling in a [TS]

00:08:38   lens right especially for primaries [TS]

00:08:40   where nothing is moving and it's all [TS]

00:08:41   closed up with the meantime you are [TS]

00:08:43   vulnerable to dust is when not when [TS]

00:08:45   there's a tiny crack opening in [TS]

00:08:47   you know sometimes ceiling but when [TS]

00:08:48   there's a huge gaping opening and if [TS]

00:08:51   pawn is blowing around that's the time [TS]

00:08:53   the piece of palms into coming to get [TS]

00:08:54   stuck to your sensor so with the sensor [TS]

00:08:57   as i said on the show I didn't even have [TS]

00:08:58   faith that the sensor would actually [TS]

00:08:59   even seal off our door that we actually [TS]

00:09:01   can see all the sensor even if there was [TS]

00:09:03   a door because the door is not gonna [TS]

00:09:04   have a perfect seal either but I still [TS]

00:09:06   say it's better than completely open [TS]

00:09:08   gigantic opening to the air and I still [TS]

00:09:10   say it is better to not have your sensor [TS]

00:09:14   facing upward for any appreciable amount [TS]

00:09:16   of time because although dust does kind [TS]

00:09:18   of float in the air the heavier the [TS]

00:09:20   bigger than us the more likely it is to [TS]

00:09:21   go down and if you leave there long [TS]

00:09:23   enough dust will settle on your sensor [TS]

00:09:24   and dust on the sensor unlike Dustin [TS]

00:09:26   lenses actually is surprisingly visible [TS]

00:09:28   small sizes because that's a whole [TS]

00:09:30   different ballgame and dust way out [TS]

00:09:33   there somewhere in the in the path of [TS]

00:09:34   that light takes as it goes through [TS]

00:09:35   these giant pieces of glass this is on [TS]

00:09:37   the sensor like directly on the little [TS]

00:09:39   whatever thing that protects the you [TS]

00:09:42   know it's very close to the actual [TS]

00:09:43   things that sense the light so a small [TS]

00:09:45   piece of dust upon can make a big [TS]

00:09:47   difference so I'm still proud or but in [TS]

00:09:49   the meantime i'm still being super [TS]

00:09:51   careful [TS]

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00:11:11   ah so just earlier today as we record [TS]

00:11:16   there has been an announcement that we [TS]

00:11:20   are going to talk about the mac or [TS]

00:11:22   really Apple is going to talk about the [TS]

00:11:23   mac on october 27th mediated invites of [TS]

00:11:26   going out and as usual apples keeping [TS]

00:11:29   things close to the chest under the best [TS]

00:11:31   whatever the phrasing is under the vest [TS]

00:11:34   people actually say that now i just [TS]

00:11:36   closed the Chester sounded wrong he just [TS]

00:11:38   he's got as a as merchants works again [TS]

00:11:40   it happens from time to time we are [TS]

00:11:42   professionals kids don't try this at [TS]

00:11:44   home so the invite has a colorful apple [TS]

00:11:47   logo or most of one anyway and it says [TS]

00:11:49   hello again beneath it and of course all [TS]

00:11:52   the old Apple nerds like John siracusa [TS]

00:11:54   are remembering some old Mac I don't [TS]

00:11:57   even know which one it was that said [TS]

00:11:58   hello again on some all the matter i [TS]

00:12:00   know i'm gonna love this like you're [TS]

00:12:02   doing this I swear to God I did that on [TS]

00:12:05   purpose just to see you get word here [TS]

00:12:07   you get riled hard to know with you guys [TS]

00:12:09   are reminiscing about leopard so which [TS]

00:12:13   old witch important Mac was John well [TS]

00:12:16   that's the the one bullet point of the [TS]

00:12:18   put in this invitation normally I don't [TS]

00:12:20   put much stock in spending time looking [TS]

00:12:23   at these invitation images you know [TS]

00:12:24   they're fun they're amusing and it's [TS]

00:12:25   great to see them over but like whatever [TS]

00:12:27   like a natural be I think time is shown [TS]

00:12:29   for the most part the announcement [TS]

00:12:32   images haha connect to what is announced [TS]

00:12:35   in a less interesting way than people [TS]

00:12:37   imagine like they're always looking for [TS]

00:12:38   something really interesting this [TS]

00:12:40   connection very often i'm usually that [TS]

00:12:42   connection is pretty obvious and the [TS]

00:12:43   obvious interpretation is correct it's [TS]

00:12:45   not a big deal the reason i think this [TS]

00:12:46   one is interesting and probably [TS]

00:12:49   interesting in a bad way is not because [TS]

00:12:52   of the picture which appears to be an [TS]

00:12:53   apple logo with what do you guys think [TS]

00:12:55   that is smoke interesting color blobs [TS]

00:12:59   looks like a blurred version of the [TS]

00:13:01   aurora borealis behind some dark trees [TS]

00:13:03   at night [TS]

00:13:04   yeah that sounds stupid but but like he [TS]

00:13:07   has a pink blob and maybe that will [TS]

00:13:10   connect to what is announced in a way [TS]

00:13:12   that is obvious after the fact [TS]

00:13:13   or whatever but it also has text [TS]

00:13:15   underneath the text says hello again and [TS]

00:13:17   all lowercase in my nose at san [TS]

00:13:19   francisco i'm not good at identifying [TS]

00:13:21   fonts probably hates me and that is [TS]

00:13:23   significant because the original [TS]

00:13:25   Macintosh was famously to people who are [TS]

00:13:28   alive and into tech then introduced with [TS]

00:13:32   a hello and script written in mac paint [TS]

00:13:34   on the screen kind of like you know that [TS]

00:13:37   look very humanistic way for the [TS]

00:13:39   computer to announce itself rather than [TS]

00:13:41   you know monospaced font or text or [TS]

00:13:44   whatever's hello Raymond script in a big [TS]

00:13:45   thick line right and that didn't show up [TS]

00:13:50   again as a marketing motif other than [TS]

00:13:54   referencing back to the original [TS]

00:13:55   marketing motif until the imac when [TS]

00:13:57   steve jobs in return and it's the first [TS]

00:13:58   big important product this God wasn't [TS]

00:14:00   the first time back [TS]

00:14:01   yes it was the first time and that one [TS]

00:14:04   now there's hello and then in [TS]

00:14:06   parentheses again and the reason that [TS]

00:14:08   said hello again it's because it was [TS]

00:14:10   kind of announcing this new computer [TS]

00:14:12   this weird teal thing that you've never [TS]

00:14:13   seen before like it looks like no other [TS]

00:14:15   magnificent house like it along with the [TS]

00:14:18   ipod the products that turned around [TS]

00:14:20   apple from this company that was going [TS]

00:14:22   out of business the company to pay [TS]

00:14:23   attention to the imac really i think was [TS]

00:14:25   the thing that made people say well [TS]

00:14:26   maybe the apples not going out of [TS]

00:14:28   business after all but it's not you know [TS]

00:14:29   that's damning with faint praise is not [TS]

00:14:32   going out of business about people [TS]

00:14:33   paying attention and it was interesting [TS]

00:14:34   was that it was the original iMac the [TS]

00:14:36   best computer in the world [TS]

00:14:37   no but it was very important computer [TS]

00:14:40   was important to apple because it meant [TS]

00:14:43   that they were a vibrant company can do [TS]

00:14:44   interesting things that people will want [TS]

00:14:46   to look at and it was important to the [TS]

00:14:48   entire industry that influence how [TS]

00:14:49   technology and computing hardware was [TS]

00:14:52   made from that point forward we're [TS]

00:14:53   talking about all the teal my irons and [TS]

00:14:56   and vacuums and all sorts of other [TS]

00:14:57   things are just influence industrial [TS]

00:14:59   design and brought a new focus on what [TS]

00:15:01   computers look like or before they were [TS]

00:15:03   just basically base boxes and apples [TS]

00:15:04   have a classier beige boxes but uh it [TS]

00:15:08   didn't make a difference in else and [TS]

00:15:09   this one was in your face you could not [TS]

00:15:11   ignore it was look totally different [TS]

00:15:12   everything else and so hello again felt [TS]

00:15:14   appropriate appropriate time gap was the [TS]

00:15:16   imac like 1998 from the 1984 298 that's [TS]

00:15:21   when I felt like it was important and [TS]

00:15:23   significant enough to reference back to [TS]

00:15:25   the original max [TS]

00:15:26   hello and i give them that I say alright [TS]

00:15:28   hello again it fit with that it was it [TS]

00:15:30   was an important dramatic moment in the [TS]

00:15:33   history of Apple important time to [TS]

00:15:35   reference back to the original neck now [TS]

00:15:37   they're saying it's no parentheses this [TS]

00:15:39   time and the obvious interpretation is [TS]

00:15:42   oh this is gonna be an announcement [TS]

00:15:44   about Max which surprised that's what [TS]

00:15:45   everyone assumes it's going to be this [TS]

00:15:46   is the time when they're going to [TS]

00:15:47   announce some kind of maximal talk about [TS]

00:15:48   what which maxes might be in a little [TS]

00:15:50   bit and it's a nice way of saying we [TS]

00:15:54   know it's been a long time since we [TS]

00:15:55   introduced max so here's some acts right [TS]

00:15:59   but I feel like by using hello again [TS]

00:16:02   they are implying significance that I [TS]

00:16:05   don't think they can deliver on unless [TS]

00:16:06   they're doing our max oh that's right [TS]

00:16:08   there implying a significant significant [TS]

00:16:11   event as important as the original [TS]

00:16:13   Macintosh or the first imac and the only [TS]

00:16:16   thing i can announce today that the only [TS]

00:16:18   thing that in any of the rumors or [TS]

00:16:19   whatever that they can announce it [TS]

00:16:21   tomorrow or whenever next week that will [TS]

00:16:24   live up to hello again is if there are [TS]

00:16:26   substantially altering the mac line in a [TS]

00:16:29   way that is obvious injuries as obvious [TS]

00:16:32   and as dramatic as the imac was or as [TS]

00:16:34   the original mac was and maybe even our [TS]

00:16:37   maximum quality that only on marriage [TS]

00:16:38   equality because people don't care what [TS]

00:16:39   the hell chip is in their computers [TS]

00:16:41   right but at least the nerves that would [TS]

00:16:42   be significant it would be a big [TS]

00:16:44   transition but i don't think they're [TS]

00:16:45   going to announce our max I'm gonna have [TS]

00:16:46   a bunch of new max they're pretty cool i [TS]

00:16:49   don't know if you deserve it all again I [TS]

00:16:50   feel like I've been overhyped already [TS]

00:16:54   raining on everyone's parade and were [TS]

00:16:56   over a week away with its this is only [TS]

00:16:58   been an announcement for like six hours [TS]

00:17:00   why does the word you can't you can't [TS]

00:17:01   tell it like you can / use it like the [TS]

00:17:03   one more thing they've used sparingly [TS]

00:17:04   for the most part and I almost get them [TS]

00:17:06   past the optically like one more thing [TS]

00:17:08   was used so many times hello is only [TS]

00:17:09   been used [TS]

00:17:10   you know the original mac constant [TS]

00:17:12   references the original mac and then the [TS]

00:17:14   imac with again in parentheses and other [TS]

00:17:15   using now because they haven't released [TS]

00:17:17   max in like a year it's not if they're [TS]

00:17:19   trying to do it to like you know to [TS]

00:17:22   engender good feelings that's not [TS]

00:17:24   working on me and I don't think there's [TS]

00:17:25   anything they can deliver that will live [TS]

00:17:27   up to the significance of that too old [TS]

00:17:28   fogies like me everyone else doesn't [TS]

00:17:29   care like no no the hell knows what [TS]

00:17:31   hello again you didn't know what they [TS]

00:17:32   were lying back like it's not even not [TS]

00:17:34   gonna stop at a company but for me as an [TS]

00:17:36   old-school mac user I feel like this [TS]

00:17:38   isn't it [TS]

00:17:39   appropriate use of that solution and or [TS]

00:17:41   are they can announce new amazing max [TS]

00:17:43   that are totally on par with the imac an [TS]

00:17:45   original mac but I'm not holding my [TS]

00:17:46   breath [TS]

00:17:47   yeah I mean like I I think I don't doubt [TS]

00:17:51   that it is possible to do something in [TS]

00:17:53   the mac lineup that would justify this [TS]

00:17:56   level of old-school reference type but [TS]

00:17:59   I'd I really don't think it's very [TS]

00:18:00   likely likely that's what they've done [TS]

00:18:02   this time just because of you know the [TS]

00:18:04   the situation the mac has been in for [TS]

00:18:06   all this time the the relative [TS]

00:18:09   importance of the mac to apple that that [TS]

00:18:12   at least the way it seems is fairly low [TS]

00:18:14   these days so I i really doubt that they [TS]

00:18:18   have done what you would expect from [TS]

00:18:20   this kind of reference that being said I [TS]

00:18:22   mean you know the the again now is not [TS]

00:18:25   in parentheses so maybe that means that [TS]

00:18:27   they deleted more ports [TS]

00:18:30   I don't know well I mean it that's the [TS]

00:18:32   other thing like you can do hello and [TS]

00:18:34   you can do hello again but if you do [TS]

00:18:36   again again and you're kind of out of [TS]

00:18:38   ideas so I mean that could be where [TS]

00:18:40   they're saying it's not as significant [TS]

00:18:41   as you think we're referencing hello but [TS]

00:18:43   obviously we'd already did it low again [TS]

00:18:44   and we're doing it again again if they [TS]

00:18:46   headed hello again again that I mean [TS]

00:18:49   they did the voice of the funnest ipod [TS]

00:18:51   why not hello again again i want to [TS]

00:18:53   write what killed that one in the [TS]

00:18:55   meeting to come up with the slogan [TS]

00:18:56   figures bigger probably a 10 minute [TS]

00:18:58   meeting because again [TS]

00:18:59   who cares about these images whom even [TS]

00:19:01   knows they exist except for like tech [TS]

00:19:03   journalists people who read text sites [TS]

00:19:04   but that's a thing I mean like they [TS]

00:19:06   disappear the moment the event starts [TS]

00:19:08   these images disappear from the world [TS]

00:19:10   yeah no one cares about that once the [TS]

00:19:11   motor did things over known goes back [TS]

00:19:13   and says oh I guess you know it turned [TS]

00:19:14   out they were announcing a you know back [TS]

00:19:17   to the mac they did announce about your [TS]

00:19:18   mac stuff so anyway I personally feel [TS]

00:19:21   like I have been overhyped in the grand [TS]

00:19:23   scheme of things the hell again doesn't [TS]

00:19:24   matter at all but i won't forget [TS]

00:19:26   so here's a question the so the macbook [TS]

00:19:29   pro based on the rumors and everything [TS]

00:19:32   that have been fairly consistent for [TS]

00:19:34   quite a long time now so i think there's [TS]

00:19:36   no prob one of those like where the [TS]

00:19:38   smoke there's fire situations where we [TS]

00:19:40   can be pretty sure at least some of [TS]

00:19:41   what's being announced next week with [TS]

00:19:43   this point and and it sure seems like [TS]

00:19:45   the macbook pro is getting a noteworthy [TS]

00:19:49   update but not like a revolutionary up [TS]

00:19:52   you know like it might be getting some [TS]

00:19:54   cool software malfunction keys like okay [TS]

00:19:57   that's that's fine but you know it's [TS]

00:19:59   probably not going to be amazing [TS]

00:20:01   revolutionary for going to be you know a [TS]

00:20:03   nice to have it's probably going to get [TS]

00:20:05   a little bit smaller a little bit [TS]

00:20:07   lighter that's also you know not [TS]

00:20:09   revolutionary just nice to have probably [TS]

00:20:11   gonna be in a little faster little [TS]

00:20:13   slightly more updated things touch ID [TS]

00:20:15   maybe for unlocking again nice to have [TS]

00:20:17   so it's good it's going to add up to a [TS]

00:20:20   really nice update not likelihood but [TS]

00:20:22   you know to to be this revolutionary [TS]

00:20:24   what you're expecting from this use of [TS]

00:20:27   this reference i don't think it's in the [TS]

00:20:28   chance [TS]

00:20:29   one thing I am a little curious about is [TS]

00:20:31   that 13-inch retina macbook air [TS]

00:20:33   I'm telling you like that there's [TS]

00:20:35   something there there's something like [TS]

00:20:37   we've been hearing about the macbook pro [TS]

00:20:40   forever now that we've been hearing [TS]

00:20:42   about about this updated MacBook Pro and [TS]

00:20:44   rumor sites for what six months at least [TS]

00:20:45   it's been a long time and then we've [TS]

00:20:48   heard almost nothing about whatever this [TS]

00:20:51   13-inch macbook or macbook air is being [TS]

00:20:55   released allegedly maybe that is going [TS]

00:20:58   to be more interesting because you know [TS]

00:20:59   they share sell a lot of macbook airs [TS]

00:21:02   and so even though like the geeks like [TS]

00:21:05   us have been focused on the retina [TS]

00:21:06   machines for the last you know four [TS]

00:21:08   years since the first one they still [TS]

00:21:10   continue to sell a ton of macbook airs [TS]

00:21:13   because they're very they're very [TS]

00:21:15   affordable [TS]

00:21:16   they're very practical they're really [TS]

00:21:17   good balance about the things we've gone [TS]

00:21:18   over this before I wonder if maybe the [TS]

00:21:21   really significant machine of this event [TS]

00:21:23   is actually that their connect MacBook [TS]

00:21:24   Air we over whatever whatever it is that [TS]

00:21:27   is going to fill that slot now I don't [TS]

00:21:28   know [TS]

00:21:29   so let's suppose for a second that there [TS]

00:21:31   is a 13-inch macbook of some flavor that [TS]

00:21:34   is retina why would that be an air and [TS]

00:21:37   not just a 13-inch macbook that's a [TS]

00:21:39   problem with all these rumors because [TS]

00:21:40   they keep saying the 13-inch macbook air [TS]

00:21:42   as as we all know from longtime watching [TS]

00:21:45   rivers things [TS]

00:21:47   the one thing that rumor sites pretty [TS]

00:21:48   much never know the two things that [TS]

00:21:49   pretty much never know are the the name [TS]

00:21:52   in the price because those are easily [TS]

00:21:54   changeable and they're not important for [TS]

00:21:55   most people to know who would leak small [TS]

00:21:58   number of people can know them name [TS]

00:22:00   price leaked last and sometimes price [TS]

00:22:01   not at all and they have to but they [TS]

00:22:03   have to keep referring to this [TS]

00:22:05   but you know whatever they have rumors [TS]

00:22:07   and partly sand things people have seen [TS]

00:22:08   things or whatever even people who are [TS]

00:22:10   working on the machine don't know what [TS]

00:22:11   it's going to be named that's not their [TS]

00:22:12   Department all i know is that there's a [TS]

00:22:14   13 inch screen and something having to [TS]

00:22:16   do with a laptop and we discussed in the [TS]

00:22:18   past like maybe that 13 screen was for [TS]

00:22:19   is that a 13-inch macbook pro is it a [TS]

00:22:22   13-inch macbook is it an air replacement [TS]

00:22:24   that the whole point is you can have [TS]

00:22:26   someone with this machine sitting in [TS]

00:22:27   front of them right now and get them on [TS]

00:22:29   the phone and say so is that a macbook [TS]

00:22:30   air like i don't know i can just [TS]

00:22:32   describe to you the Machine I don't know [TS]

00:22:33   how it's going to be sold it going to [TS]

00:22:34   have the air name under not especially [TS]

00:22:36   if its retina like what makes it at this [TS]

00:22:38   point [TS]

00:22:39   air is defined by not having a Retina [TS]

00:22:40   screen like that's what distinguished [TS]

00:22:42   visitor having old forts and not having [TS]

00:22:45   a redneck screen and you know so i don't [TS]

00:22:48   know if they have a laptop that fits [TS]

00:22:51   into that slot in their lineup [TS]

00:22:53   somehow I think it's fine but i don't [TS]

00:22:55   know if we can but by continually [TS]

00:22:57   referring to it as a 13-inch macbook air [TS]

00:22:58   i think it's weird expectations about it [TS]

00:23:00   like you know does that mean it has to [TS]

00:23:02   be really cheap does that mean it has to [TS]

00:23:05   have more ports then we would expect [TS]

00:23:06   does that mean it has to have a non [TS]

00:23:08   retina screen otherwise it's not an air [TS]

00:23:10   or is it just have to put the name air [TS]

00:23:11   on it and it'll be like surprise apples [TS]

00:23:13   decided to keep that line going even [TS]

00:23:15   though there's no real reason to [TS]

00:23:16   well but you know I air does mean [TS]

00:23:18   something in in hardware terms the air [TS]

00:23:21   has always used this line of intel cpus [TS]

00:23:24   that has a thermal power of roughly 17 [TS]

00:23:27   wats and the macbook one uses like six [TS]

00:23:30   wat cpus so it's a lot less power and [TS]

00:23:32   therefore it can be families but also is [TS]

00:23:35   not nearly as fast can sustain alone for [TS]

00:23:37   nearly as long and as a bunch of [TS]

00:23:39   limitations like and how many ports you [TS]

00:23:40   can have due to various limitation of [TS]

00:23:42   the chips and everything else so that [TS]

00:23:43   book one like it's never gonna it's [TS]

00:23:45   never gonna be as powerful as as a [TS]

00:23:47   recently updated in macbook air could be [TS]

00:23:51   because I'm applicators has a much [TS]

00:23:53   higher power budget and then above the [TS]

00:23:55   macbook air you have the 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:23:58   pros and those use I mean that the [TS]

00:24:00   macbook pro 15-inch use like a 45 watt [TS]

00:24:02   line i forget water 30 inches things [TS]

00:24:04   like 25 or 30 anyway whatever it is it's [TS]

00:24:07   a lot more than 17 and so you have this [TS]

00:24:09   like slot in the middle and the macbook [TS]

00:24:11   air one of the reasons it could be so [TS]

00:24:14   thin and so light and so small is [TS]

00:24:16   because these really low power too [TS]

00:24:19   use were just an awesome balance of [TS]

00:24:21   power versus performance that lineup of [TS]

00:24:24   these little 71 cpus has been as yet [TS]

00:24:28   completely unused in anything with [TS]

00:24:30   Retina screen and therefore completely [TS]

00:24:32   unused anything that our powers like us [TS]

00:24:34   might care about because most of us want [TS]

00:24:36   reading screens but it turns out like [TS]

00:24:38   that balance is awesome like for what [TS]

00:24:40   most people need of a laptop you know [TS]

00:24:42   the macbook one the most recent book one [TS]

00:24:44   the second one got a lot faster than the [TS]

00:24:46   first one but it's still nowhere near [TS]

00:24:48   what an updated air could do and the [TS]

00:24:51   epoch won a lot of people complain that [TS]

00:24:53   you know and I used on briefly I know [TS]

00:24:54   like you know it's kind of slow [TS]

00:24:57   well turns out that the macbook air has [TS]

00:24:59   a lot fewer people complaining about the [TS]

00:25:00   slowness because macbook air cpus can [TS]

00:25:02   actually be substantially faster and so [TS]

00:25:04   to not use that that processor line in [TS]

00:25:07   anything i think is a waste because it's [TS]

00:25:09   such a good balance of battery life and [TS]

00:25:11   and low heat vs performance now what [TS]

00:25:14   they could do is basically have the [TS]

00:25:16   macbook pro 13-inch come down and kind [TS]

00:25:21   and use that processor line at least [TS]

00:25:23   offered as an option and kind of replace [TS]

00:25:25   what the air used to be but then you [TS]

00:25:27   have nothing using these here that David [TS]

00:25:29   job in the chat is clarified the 13 [TS]

00:25:31   inches 28 wat cpu so basically goes five [TS]

00:25:34   or six watch for the macbook 1 16 or 17 [TS]

00:25:36   for the air [TS]

00:25:37   28 for the 13 and 45 for the 15 these [TS]

00:25:41   are distinct power classes that are [TS]

00:25:43   pretty far from each other you know the [TS]

00:25:45   the macbook air compared to the 13-inch [TS]

00:25:47   it's it's twice as much I mean it's [TS]

00:25:49   there it's you know twice or half as [TS]

00:25:51   much it's a huge gap and the macbook one [TS]

00:25:53   macbook airs three times as much [TS]

00:25:55   so these are major power differences in [TS]

00:25:58   the heat the battery life the budget [TS]

00:26:00   like these are huge power differences [TS]

00:26:01   and that's why these computers are able [TS]

00:26:03   to be so different in size and battery [TS]

00:26:06   life it's not because they choose the [TS]

00:26:08   sizes arbitrarily it's because this [TS]

00:26:10   massive power sucking component of the [TS]

00:26:12   of the computer is chosen and kind of in [TS]

00:26:16   these buckets and they can shrink the [TS]

00:26:18   rest of computer there's the computer [TS]

00:26:20   around that so they can be the smallest [TS]

00:26:22   lightest computer possible that can [TS]

00:26:24   still give you know annex what cpu [TS]

00:26:27   enough battery life to be practical and [TS]

00:26:29   useful to people what I was getting at [TS]

00:26:30   with the airline [TS]

00:26:31   not having a place anymore is because [TS]

00:26:33   the airline was introduced as the ultra [TS]

00:26:34   portable and the air name is going away [TS]

00:26:37   because the idea of the ipad air is not [TS]

00:26:39   replaced by they have been you know they [TS]

00:26:40   still sell it like it's on its way out [TS]

00:26:41   and the air laptop continues to have the [TS]

00:26:45   nightmare despite the fact that is no [TS]

00:26:46   longer the smallest lightest laptop so [TS]

00:26:48   what I would totally expect out of a 13 [TS]

00:26:49   inch computer that people keep calling a [TS]

00:26:51   13-inch macbook air is for it to be a [TS]

00:26:53   13-inch macbook not a 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:26:55   pro using the 15 or 20 2015 why the cpu [TS]

00:26:59   and there but to be a 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:27:02   because i don't think there's anything [TS]

00:27:03   that says that the macbook has to be [TS]

00:27:04   families they're really small macbook [TS]

00:27:07   can be fanless the next one up can have [TS]

00:27:09   a wee little fan it and then you go pro [TS]

00:27:12   13 pro 15 that seems like a line that [TS]

00:27:15   makes sense to me [TS]

00:27:16   macbook pro and macbook i see no place [TS]

00:27:18   for the air branding except as a legacy [TS]

00:27:21   thing where it's likely have not read [TS]

00:27:22   the screens they're super cheap and [TS]

00:27:24   you're right that it's weird that [TS]

00:27:25   they've been the only one to have this [TS]

00:27:26   particular balance of power and you know [TS]

00:27:29   sighs I that's apples faults for just [TS]

00:27:32   deciding to let the air be like this [TS]

00:27:34   legacy line and not using that champion [TS]

00:27:36   myself but I think now would be the time [TS]

00:27:38   to use that trip someplace else or the [TS]

00:27:40   chips in that class not just specific [TS]

00:27:41   trip and I i think it is more natural [TS]

00:27:44   for it to fit as a 13-inch macbook then [TS]

00:27:47   to fit as like pushing up the line or [TS]

00:27:50   whatever and then then the airline [TS]

00:27:51   really does go away or becomes like the [TS]

00:27:53   iplayer we're like yet i continued to [TS]

00:27:54   sell it even more discounted price just [TS]

00:27:56   to just because they can but the you [TS]

00:27:59   know you have the macbook you have a [TS]

00:28:00   slightly bigger macbook and you have the [TS]

00:28:02   macbook pro and slightly bigger macbook [TS]

00:28:04   pro and i think that would make a nice [TS]

00:28:05   lineup [TS]

00:28:05   yeah baby but that point like you know [TS]

00:28:07   if if you're saying that like you know [TS]

00:28:09   the difference between the what what is [TS]

00:28:12   now the macbook the map at one and the [TS]

00:28:14   macbook air line you know they're [TS]

00:28:17   complete twice as fast it can it can [TS]

00:28:19   have way more ports enough and more [TS]

00:28:22   kinds of ports and a bigger screen and [TS]

00:28:25   so if that considers itself within the [TS]

00:28:27   same family of these two very different [TS]

00:28:29   computers [TS]

00:28:29   why does the macbook pro get a [TS]

00:28:31   protonation how is that any different [TS]

00:28:32   external GPU and 13-inch no.13 doesn't [TS]

00:28:37   have it the 15 only has optionally now [TS]

00:28:39   you could have it [TS]

00:28:40   well barely only the very high end bug [TS]

00:28:43   you and you get worse better [TS]

00:28:45   it's if you choose that option past [TS]

00:28:46   that's everything i'm gonna lie i feel [TS]

00:28:48   like it could be the same with a 13 inch [TS]

00:28:49   pro would be thicker heavier and that [TS]

00:28:52   thickness and heavier and happiness [TS]

00:28:54   would give it more battery to do more [TS]

00:28:55   power cycling stuff whether it's having [TS]

00:28:57   a higher clock cpu or more ram or an [TS]

00:29:01   external GPU on the high end model or [TS]

00:29:03   anything like that you said you can see [TS]

00:29:04   the exact same thing about going from [TS]

00:29:06   the 12 of the 13 inch like you know it's [TS]

00:29:08   like it's the same it's the same scale [TS]

00:29:10   of difference between the current [TS]

00:29:12   macbook one and the rumored retina [TS]

00:29:13   macbook air as they would be between [TS]

00:29:15   this retina macbook air and macbook pro [TS]

00:29:17   line [TS]

00:29:18   look you've got you've got three classes [TS]

00:29:19   of cpu and you only got two names right [TS]

00:29:21   because i think the the air name is on [TS]

00:29:23   its way out so you you gotta divide down [TS]

00:29:25   the middle be macbook and macbook pro so [TS]

00:29:27   the metal cpu things got to go on one [TS]

00:29:30   side of the other and I think it should [TS]

00:29:31   on the macbook side if it goes in the [TS]

00:29:33   pro side oh well but it seems more [TS]

00:29:35   natural for me to go on her to go on the [TS]

00:29:37   macbook side [TS]

00:29:38   yeah i think i agree i think the macbook [TS]

00:29:40   air name goes away and I think that we [TS]

00:29:44   are left with macbooks and macbook pros [TS]

00:29:47   and and that's all that remains well [TS]

00:29:49   maybe it was ok so maybe like older [TS]

00:29:51   devices would retain the air name but [TS]

00:29:54   i'm talking about the brand new devices [TS]

00:29:56   whatever is considered the most modern I [TS]

00:29:58   think it would either be macbook or [TS]

00:30:00   macbook pro now they would travel [TS]

00:30:03   spending on the chat room that we [TS]

00:30:05   actually for classes you got the 45 [TS]

00:30:06   water in the 15-inch the 28 water in the [TS]

00:30:08   13-inch and then you're down into the [TS]

00:30:10   macbook air at 16 and macbook at five so [TS]

00:30:12   if you're going to put the 16 and fives [TS]

00:30:13   or 15 and 5 down the macbook and the 45 [TS]

00:30:16   and 28 in the pro that's an even split [TS]

00:30:18   then but it really depends on what [TS]

00:30:20   things apple actually decides to use [TS]

00:30:22   because just because cpu classes of cpus [TS]

00:30:25   are available doesn't mean that Apple [TS]

00:30:28   necessarily use them in their products [TS]

00:30:30   I just think the air the whole air [TS]

00:30:32   naming thing doesn't make sense anymore [TS]

00:30:34   needs to go into way out but i think [TS]

00:30:35   people keep using that name because it's [TS]

00:30:37   the only way they have to refer to a [TS]

00:30:38   machine that's not a pro and it's not [TS]

00:30:40   the skinny little macbook protected by [TS]

00:30:42   the way I want to start off of though [TS]

00:30:44   because only one of us are 1.5 just [TS]

00:30:46   looking at the notes was for the [TS]

00:30:48   projector 27 Apple event i think one [TS]

00:30:52   place to start would be what should [TS]

00:30:55   apple announced in order of priority [TS]

00:30:57   like what's the most important [TS]

00:30:58   thing for them to announce second most [TS]

00:30:59   important therapist or whatever and then [TS]

00:31:01   after that we can say what we wish they [TS]

00:31:02   would announce ignoring what's actually [TS]

00:31:04   important for the company so who wants [TS]

00:31:06   to go first what should apple announced [TS]

00:31:08   that this October 27 minutes but there's [TS]

00:31:10   no there's no question it has to be new [TS]

00:31:12   macbook pros because that is the [TS]

00:31:14   workhorse of the lineup as far as i'm [TS]

00:31:16   concerned i agree with you that a lot of [TS]

00:31:19   MacBook Airs gets old and maybe somebody [TS]

00:31:23   has numbers somebody outside apple has [TS]

00:31:25   numbers maybe it's more macbook air and [TS]

00:31:26   macbook pros but man I think business [TS]

00:31:28   runs a lot of businesses run a macbook [TS]

00:31:31   pros laminators too i guess but a lot of [TS]

00:31:34   businesses run macros IC macbook pros [TS]

00:31:36   everywhere I think they have to announce [TS]

00:31:39   macbook pros I think that's [TS]

00:31:40   non-negotiable or an equivalent thereof [TS]

00:31:42   for some reason they changed the name i [TS]

00:31:44   think that's non-negotiable my greatest [TS]

00:31:46   number one I mean it's obvious number [TS]

00:31:48   one it's a thing I think if we have to [TS]

00:31:49   put money we would all bet on as the [TS]

00:31:51   most likely think they have to because [TS]

00:31:53   it is it is the most important mac that [TS]

00:31:55   they have is their laptop line and the [TS]

00:31:57   macbook pros I did they would have been [TS]

00:32:01   updated a long time they're really [TS]

00:32:02   important beautiful care about Max at [TS]

00:32:04   all they need to and almost certainly [TS]

00:32:06   will announce new macbook pros [TS]

00:32:08   well if you look at what is most [TS]

00:32:10   important for them to announce if you go [TS]

00:32:13   by like Tim Cook Apple it's probably the [TS]

00:32:15   air pods [TS]

00:32:15   well we're talking about Max at this [TS]

00:32:17   point okay well I guess I guess based on [TS]

00:32:20   the based on the little advertisement [TS]

00:32:21   although we're not reading too much into [TS]

00:32:22   it says hello again that's a mac [TS]

00:32:23   reference this event is going to be on [TS]

00:32:25   max knows it will be other things this [TS]

00:32:26   event who knows who knows what other [TS]

00:32:28   stuff that amount for their pods are [TS]

00:32:30   already a thing I feel like this is [TS]

00:32:32   event is going to be about Max for the [TS]

00:32:34   most part and you know unless you think [TS]

00:32:36   of some other higher priority thing that [TS]

00:32:39   they need to announce in October that [TS]

00:32:40   they haven't already announced I mean [TS]

00:32:42   air pods are probably gonna make them [TS]

00:32:43   more money than the macbook pro well for [TS]

00:32:45   a while I nobody is that everybody know [TS]

00:32:48   but we can't buy me [TS]

00:32:49   no but you will be able like that sure [TS]

00:32:51   don't have the data what everybody [TS]

00:32:52   thinks [TS]

00:32:53   announcing the date for for that is more [TS]

00:32:54   important than the new max I don't know [TS]

00:32:58   maybe Tim I I honestly don't think that [TS]

00:33:00   Tim gives much thought to the back it's [TS]

00:33:03   not it's not that he like hates it or [TS]

00:33:04   doesn't care about it i just don't get a [TS]

00:33:06   lot of thought I really don't [TS]

00:33:08   well but anyway personal personal CEO [TS]

00:33:12   speculation aside yeah it's probably [TS]

00:33:14   macbook pro i think you're right i do [TS]

00:33:15   think the macbook air is probably if i [TS]

00:33:17   had to guess the one who sells the most [TS]

00:33:18   however macbook air buyers tend to buy [TS]

00:33:23   it because it is so cheap and so it's [TS]

00:33:25   often like schools and people who are [TS]

00:33:27   buying a ton of them and who need them [TS]

00:33:29   to be as as affordable as possible [TS]

00:33:30   because the blanket on and you know in [TS]

00:33:32   the case of schools they don't have [TS]

00:33:33   massive budgets so it's probably that [TS]

00:33:37   the macbook air while it is very [TS]

00:33:39   important for two existing be sold and [TS]

00:33:42   in my opinion be good i think it's less [TS]

00:33:44   important that it be radically [TS]

00:33:45   up-to-date the macbook pro on the other [TS]

00:33:48   hand cells to people who more often care [TS]

00:33:51   about how you know fresh it is and and [TS]

00:33:55   macbook pro buyers would probably be [TS]

00:33:57   more worked the macbook air buyers at [TS]

00:33:59   the at the process of buying a two or [TS]

00:34:01   three-year old one brand new [TS]

00:34:03   yeah i think the crisis they're facing [TS]

00:34:05   here with the whole the whole hello [TS]

00:34:06   again think basically acknowledges that [TS]

00:34:07   is they are acknowledging that the [TS]

00:34:10   people who do not buy most of the most [TS]

00:34:12   volume because like that the most volume [TS]

00:34:14   as the cheap ones right but the people [TS]

00:34:16   who buy cheap ones are not like waiting [TS]

00:34:18   for Apple events looking for [TS]

00:34:19   announcement it's the enthusiast [TS]

00:34:21   community or like the more advanced pro [TS]

00:34:23   users who have even noticed that Apple [TS]

00:34:26   has not updated their backline you're [TS]

00:34:27   right a long time where you know we're [TS]

00:34:29   the only people even notice [TS]

00:34:30   so this is it's an important that [TS]

00:34:32   there's no like lack of it there's no [TS]

00:34:34   there's no faith gap among the people [TS]

00:34:37   are buying a macbook airs because they [TS]

00:34:38   don't know or care like Apple day so [TS]

00:34:41   that the fact that there's already [TS]

00:34:42   ancient have not read the screen to be [TS]

00:34:43   told most people like non-red know what [TS]

00:34:45   I'm not just talking about it like this [TS]

00:34:46   laptop right that's not what this event [TS]

00:34:48   for that's why I think the highest [TS]

00:34:50   priority the most important thing that [TS]

00:34:51   they have to announce here is the [TS]

00:34:53   macbook pros not because they're gonna [TS]

00:34:55   sell more macros the macbook airs but [TS]

00:34:57   because that's what this event is all [TS]

00:34:58   about announcing sterile you have to [TS]

00:35:00   move get over the head of the train [TS]

00:35:02   ahead like that thought the tail end [TS]

00:35:04   it's going it's like nobody cares about [TS]

00:35:05   that is so I think history has shown you [TS]

00:35:09   cannot update the macbook is real long [TS]

00:35:11   time they still keep selling which we [TS]

00:35:12   think is awful as enthusiasts victim [TS]

00:35:14   could probably likes so we're all in [TS]

00:35:16   agreement macbook pro is the most [TS]

00:35:18   important with a corollary about pod [TS]

00:35:21   making a lot of money for Tim yeah I [TS]

00:35:23   mean ultimately like here's here's what [TS]

00:35:25   I would like see like I i get i get why [TS]

00:35:28   Tim Cook doesn't have to care that much [TS]

00:35:30   about things like the mac mini and [TS]

00:35:33   keeping the Medicare up-to-date I get [TS]

00:35:35   why but all of us are Apple fans because [TS]

00:35:38   apple for many product categories and [TS]

00:35:42   for many for many times throughout [TS]

00:35:44   history has stood for being the best do [TS]

00:35:48   making things that the best they can [TS]

00:35:49   make them making you know what they [TS]

00:35:51   consider to be the best product possible [TS]

00:35:53   and if you look at the mac mini is that [TS]

00:35:56   really the best product possible [TS]

00:35:58   no of course not apple doesn't care [TS]

00:35:59   about it if you look at the you know the [TS]

00:36:02   21 inch imac that still ships with a [TS]

00:36:04   5400 RPM hard drive standard is that the [TS]

00:36:08   best product apple can make no of course [TS]

00:36:10   not [TS]

00:36:10   basically you can look at a lot of the [TS]

00:36:12   mac lineup and whether it's like [TS]

00:36:14   entry-level being way too low [TS]

00:36:16   spec-wise that actually make for bad [TS]

00:36:18   products like hard drive equipped [TS]

00:36:19   computers in 2016 or if you look at mac [TS]

00:36:23   product lines that just almost never get [TS]

00:36:25   updated and continue selling the oldest [TS]

00:36:27   hardware forever like the mac pro in the [TS]

00:36:29   mac mini I just wish Apple cared about [TS]

00:36:32   these things as much as we do [TS]

00:36:34   because Apple as a brand and I do [TS]

00:36:38   believe that many of the people at both [TS]

00:36:40   high and low levels of the company [TS]

00:36:42   believe this and think this way Apple [TS]

00:36:44   tries to make the best products they [TS]

00:36:45   possibly can make in so many categories [TS]

00:36:48   and for some reason they think it's okay [TS]

00:36:51   to completely neglect it's almost too [TS]

00:36:54   insulting degree some of their mac [TS]

00:36:57   product lines and to me like that's not [TS]

00:37:00   Apple like at least that's not that's [TS]

00:37:02   not the way Apple thinks it is and [TS]

00:37:04   presents itself and the way that we [TS]

00:37:06   Apple enthusiasts want them to be even [TS]

00:37:08   though you know actions speak louder [TS]

00:37:10   than words so right now that's the kind [TS]

00:37:11   of company Apple is but I wish they [TS]

00:37:13   weren't i wish they were the kind of [TS]

00:37:15   company that they protect themselves as [TS]

00:37:17   that we expect them to be you know [TS]

00:37:19   everything you sell you should try to [TS]

00:37:21   make it as good as you can make it [TS]

00:37:22   because that's what if you had to pick [TS]

00:37:25   one Apple value like what water apples [TS]

00:37:28   values or does Apple stand for [TS]

00:37:30   it's that it's that everything they make [TS]

00:37:31   should be the best thing that they can [TS]

00:37:33   make [TS]

00:37:34   you can't say that about a macpro that [TS]

00:37:37   has been updated in three years or Mac [TS]

00:37:39   me that has been updated in probably [TS]

00:37:40   about as long or these computers at skip [TS]

00:37:43   generations because apple just doesn't [TS]

00:37:44   care about new hardware to put in them [TS]

00:37:47   and they'll keep selling it only because [TS]

00:37:49   it keeps selling like the like the one [TS]

00:37:51   on one laptop or the you know all the is [TS]

00:37:53   it like keeping that keeping selling [TS]

00:37:55   anything non-retina in 2016 anything [TS]

00:37:59   with a spinning hard drive in 2016 like [TS]

00:38:02   these are not the best products they can [TS]

00:38:04   be and margins might suffer a little bit [TS]

00:38:07   and you might have to put in some [TS]

00:38:09   engineering effort sometimes into [TS]

00:38:11   product lines aren't that popular but if [TS]

00:38:14   they're worth making at all keep making [TS]

00:38:16   the best they can be because that that's [TS]

00:38:19   what Apple is supposed to actually stand [TS]

00:38:20   for and dad just qualify their real i [TS]

00:38:24   can imagine people typing up there [TS]

00:38:25   32 replies right now is listen I if the [TS]

00:38:28   best they can be within their price [TS]

00:38:29   point obviously no one is saying for [TS]

00:38:31   every single computer has to have the [TS]

00:38:32   very best computer components and every [TS]

00:38:34   man has to have the arm processors and [TS]

00:38:36   ECC ram like it's within the price range [TS]

00:38:38   and what we're saying is like the mac [TS]

00:38:40   pro is a great example even though it is [TS]

00:38:41   the high-end machine can Apple make and [TS]

00:38:44   sell a mac pro at its current price [TS]

00:38:48   point with better harbor unquestionably [TS]

00:38:50   same thing for the mini it's not it's [TS]

00:38:52   not saying that the mac mini has to have [TS]

00:38:54   the top and hardware is likely the [TS]

00:38:55   philosophy the Apple itself expresses a [TS]

00:38:57   lot of times that when they do anything [TS]

00:38:58   they want to make it the best they can [TS]

00:38:59   and they're they're in their own [TS]

00:39:01   statements implied the best we can [TS]

00:39:03   within the realm of this reason for this [TS]

00:39:05   price point so when they make a keyboard [TS]

00:39:07   like we spent a really long time working [TS]

00:39:08   on his key clicks okc would be really [TS]

00:39:10   happy and we want to make it there [TS]

00:39:11   making the best keyboard they can [TS]

00:39:13   they're not making a keyboard the cost [TS]

00:39:15   $3,000 like it's not well I bet you [TS]

00:39:18   could make a better than 3,000 yes they [TS]

00:39:19   have a target price like what is a [TS]

00:39:20   reasonable price for a keyboard for you [TS]

00:39:23   know like that's obvious but it's within [TS]

00:39:25   the price ranges when you don't even the [TS]

00:39:27   101 we're just like fine education wants [TS]

00:39:30   like a macbook an optical drive and a [TS]

00:39:32   non retina screen it's really rugged or [TS]

00:39:34   whatever if that's a product fine [TS]

00:39:36   that's a plus two products not but you [TS]

00:39:38   still have to say if people are going to [TS]

00:39:39   buy this computer year after year next [TS]

00:39:41   year we should have ace ever so slightly [TS]

00:39:43   better more rugged but more reliable [TS]

00:39:47   more efficient more pleasing mac with an [TS]

00:39:50   optical drive and on retina screen for [TS]

00:39:52   education like just you know you don't [TS]

00:39:54   have to update them constantly but are [TS]

00:39:56   you saying you know we don't ever want [TS]

00:39:58   to invest any more money in this ever [TS]

00:40:00   again but we will sell year after year [TS]

00:40:02   after year and that is on Apple I could [TS]

00:40:03   not the fact that they're they're not [TS]

00:40:05   making that computer have you know five [TS]

00:40:08   gigahertz processor and an amazing [TS]

00:40:09   retin-a p3 screen on it like best [TS]

00:40:11   makeover saying it's if you're going to [TS]

00:40:13   sell it at all like ru is a computer [TS]

00:40:16   proud to sell are you planning to sell [TS]

00:40:17   that imac with the 5400 RPM drive would [TS]

00:40:19   you be proud to give this to somebody [TS]

00:40:21   and say where Apple and we're proud of [TS]

00:40:23   all our products take this 21 inch imac [TS]

00:40:25   with the 5400 RPM screen you'll be [TS]

00:40:27   apologizing every five minutes [TS]

00:40:28   yeah you know this is not the most [TS]

00:40:31   maxlite we're sorry like if you feel [TS]

00:40:32   like you have to apologize to someone [TS]

00:40:33   like yes I feel that is a tech person [TS]

00:40:35   when someone buys like the wrong product [TS]

00:40:37   and your kind of like this is not [TS]

00:40:38   representative with all these inter like [TS]

00:40:40   you actually got the worst possible one [TS]

00:40:42   and its really slow and i know it was [TS]

00:40:44   also still a lot of money for you that's [TS]

00:40:45   the other reason is Apple's products are [TS]

00:40:46   a lot of money relative to their [TS]

00:40:48   competing products yes there has to be a [TS]

00:40:51   trade-off for that you have to go as a [TS]

00:40:53   you know it doesn't have to be a snappy [TS]

00:40:54   the mac pro but like every year make it [TS]

00:40:56   a little better you know it would have [TS]

00:40:58   been a lot of like little references [TS]

00:40:59   here and there around our community [TS]

00:41:00   about like how you know you don't really [TS]

00:41:01   need to defend Apple as hard as you do [TS]

00:41:03   that Apple can defend themselves they're [TS]

00:41:06   huge company etc etc and one of the [TS]

00:41:08   things I keep seeing whenever I mention [TS]

00:41:10   a 13-8 that basically that i believe [TS]

00:41:13   that it is both time and it is likely [TS]

00:41:15   that we will see a 13-inch retina [TS]

00:41:16   macbook air next week [TS]

00:41:18   a lot of people say oh you can't do [TS]

00:41:19   retina in that size because it costs too [TS]

00:41:21   much [TS]

00:41:22   no it doesn't look around the entire [TS]

00:41:23   rest of the computing industry that [TS]

00:41:25   that's ridiculous look at the ipad [TS]

00:41:26   probably probably cost more to get those [TS]

00:41:28   non-retina screens at this point [TS]

00:41:29   yeah yeah at some point they're gonna [TS]

00:41:32   stop making enough but that's great that [TS]

00:41:34   they able to buy them anymore like it [TS]

00:41:37   look around the industry hardware is [TS]

00:41:39   shockingly cheap look it is ridiculously [TS]

00:41:43   cheap look around and a lot of stuff has [TS]

00:41:46   similar or nicer screens for less money [TS]

00:41:48   like it can be done it can totally be [TS]

00:41:51   done it is 2016 is almost 2017 you can [TS]

00:41:55   have a retina macbook air size screen at [TS]

00:41:58   thousand dollars [TS]

00:42:00   and still have a profit margin healthy [TS]

00:42:02   enough for apple like that is totally [TS]

00:42:04   possible hardly cheap these days if you [TS]

00:42:06   wanted to put a 256gb SSD as the base [TS]

00:42:10   model storage in every single mac that [TS]

00:42:12   is sold [TS]

00:42:13   you could totally do it and the effects [TS]

00:42:15   are margins would probably not be very [TS]

00:42:17   substantial at all [TS]

00:42:18   it might it might even be noticeable [TS]

00:42:20   like it it is totally possible to go all [TS]

00:42:24   retina all SSD today in the mac lineup [TS]

00:42:27   it's only up to Apple when they do that [TS]

00:42:30   and as soon as they can go all retina [TS]

00:42:32   and all SSD there in their computers [TS]

00:42:35   will be across the board a solid [TS]

00:42:38   recommendation a it'll be so much better [TS]

00:42:40   and they just aren't there yet because [TS]

00:42:43   they just keep preserving like kind of [TS]

00:42:45   the Tim Cook wave just keep selling [TS]

00:42:47   everything forever and no matter how you [TS]

00:42:49   no matter how old or ancient or crappy [TS]

00:42:51   it is like if someone still buying it [TS]

00:42:53   will keep selling it at whatever low [TS]

00:42:54   price we can get like no that's that's [TS]

00:42:57   not Apple that is not what Apple has [TS]

00:42:59   ever stood for that is not what most [TS]

00:43:01   Apple people like to think Apple stands [TS]

00:43:03   for and that is not what are what [TS]

00:43:05   Apple's customers think Apple stands for [TS]

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00:44:53   talking macbook pros talk about larger [TS]

00:44:54   issues harder question what is the [TS]

00:44:57   second highest priority think that they [TS]

00:44:59   should help this event Apple pencil to [TS]

00:45:01   all my good now it now with an eraser [TS]

00:45:04   for him seriously I think we all answer [TS]

00:45:07   that and I think it's the macbook air or [TS]

00:45:10   if John and I are right the 13-inch [TS]

00:45:12   macbook whatever whatever skills that [TS]

00:45:15   slot i think is the second most [TS]

00:45:17   important [TS]

00:45:18   yeah I mean and if you can look at like [TS]

00:45:19   other things that are very likely i [TS]

00:45:20   think the imac is very likely to get a [TS]

00:45:23   minute I think cabling is ready for that [TS]

00:45:25   class of cpu isn't it [TS]

00:45:27   maybe you think that's important like so [TS]

00:45:29   are you alright i'm mostly I must agree [TS]

00:45:31   that it's something in that in that [TS]

00:45:32   range of products whether it ends up [TS]

00:45:34   being a macbook or macbook pro 13-inch [TS]

00:45:36   is the second most important what is the [TS]

00:45:38   third most important is the imac their [TS]

00:45:40   most important because I feel like that [TS]

00:45:41   of all the line of computer they'll get [TS]

00:45:42   the 5k imac is the one that I have the [TS]

00:45:45   least problem recommending in terms of [TS]

00:45:46   max at this point yeah well because the [TS]

00:45:48   the 5k imac uses a class of cpus that is [TS]

00:45:51   very regularly updated by Intel is [TS]

00:45:53   almost always the first one to get [TS]

00:45:54   certain certain things like this big [TS]

00:45:56   high-power one there i think i guess [TS]

00:45:58   they probably easier to make and and so [TS]

00:46:00   it was the first one the sky lake last [TS]

00:46:02   last winter and now I desk right now [TS]

00:46:05   right and then I believe the cable lake [TS]

00:46:08   version is is basically ready now [TS]

00:46:10   because they get updated about every [TS]

00:46:11   fall so the imac will probably get an [TS]

00:46:14   update with 2d calculate because i [TS]

00:46:16   believe keep it was a fairly minor [TS]

00:46:18   update yeah I don't think it's crying [TS]

00:46:20   out for a cable a cup right do you think [TS]

00:46:22   like is that of all the problems that [TS]

00:46:23   are [TS]

00:46:24   that are with the current five-game [TS]

00:46:25   actually saying I wish to have something [TS]

00:46:26   faster cpu well not on my high on my [TS]

00:46:29   list [TS]

00:46:30   well but they're the imac is like it's [TS]

00:46:31   the amicus already plenty fast what I'm [TS]

00:46:33   guessing it's going to get it already [TS]

00:46:35   has the wide gamut color from last year [TS]

00:46:37   so that the screen is already like [TS]

00:46:39   top-notch i'm guessing it has to convert [TS]

00:46:41   to us bc and have vulnerable three [TS]

00:46:45   that's so that's you know that's like [TS]

00:46:47   the obvious thing like that like you [TS]

00:46:49   know if Apple ever gets around to making [TS]

00:46:50   everything breton SSD the next big [TS]

00:46:52   transition is moving everything over to [TS]

00:46:54   us bc and Thunderbolt three or [TS]

00:46:56   everything that can do that we should be [TS]

00:46:58   most computers not all of them so you [TS]

00:47:00   know that's i would imagine the imac [TS]

00:47:02   it's an update that is a moderate cpu [TS]

00:47:04   increase gpus potentially better who [TS]

00:47:08   knows [TS]

00:47:08   and anyway that's the only rumor about [TS]

00:47:10   the imac is everyone saying new imacs a [TS]

00:47:12   better gps and if I had to pick one [TS]

00:47:13   thing we need to do great i don't [TS]

00:47:14   honestly at this point i would pick [TS]

00:47:16   faster GPU / USBC for the imac but [TS]

00:47:19   that's just me [TS]

00:47:20   well USBC has another interesting thing [TS]

00:47:21   which is there are also those rumors [TS]

00:47:23   about the 5k external display and and if [TS]

00:47:26   the information that we have on that is [TS]

00:47:27   right for me tipster and which I believe [TS]

00:47:29   the rumor sites of all corroborated at [TS]

00:47:31   this point he was telling like six [TS]

00:47:32   months ago but if the information is [TS]

00:47:35   right [TS]

00:47:35   the 5k monitor is very likely to ship [TS]

00:47:38   this time it is based on wonderful three [TS]

00:47:40   over us bc plug and that it will only be [TS]

00:47:44   compatible with macs that have USBC with [TS]

00:47:48   honorable three on them which is [TS]

00:47:49   currently none of them and will [TS]

00:47:51   presumably be everything announced the [TS]

00:47:53   next week so presumably will be the new [TS]

00:47:55   macbook pros if the macbook airs knew [TS]

00:47:57   that thing to and the new imac so all [TS]

00:48:00   those things should in theory be able to [TS]

00:48:02   drive this new display and probably no [TS]

00:48:06   other max including the current mac pro [TS]

00:48:08   which will be in slightly embarrassing [TS]

00:48:10   but nobody buys the mac pro anyway so [TS]

00:48:12   I'm kind of torn on the on the the third [TS]

00:48:15   priority after the macbook pros in the [TS]

00:48:17   macbook because I really don't feel like [TS]

00:48:20   the 5k mckee needs it other than like [TS]

00:48:22   you said being able to drive the monitor [TS]

00:48:23   than theory they're announcing by the [TS]

00:48:24   way maybe you can let that monitors the [TS]

00:48:25   third item but it's kind of like a tie [TS]

00:48:27   with me for me with between the imac [TS]

00:48:30   the mac pro even though nobody buys the [TS]

00:48:32   mac pro in terms of priority order what [TS]

00:48:34   they should announce to have a positive [TS]

00:48:37   2 to make up for the areas where they [TS]

00:48:38   have problems in areas where problems [TS]

00:48:40   are they well they're not updated the [TS]

00:48:42   longest and should is very different [TS]

00:48:43   than will you I thought we were the [TS]

00:48:45   other guesses not listed on the should [TS]

00:48:47   get one should announce in order of [TS]

00:48:49   priority and I i totally totally safe [TS]

00:48:53   saying that you know macros that is the [TS]

00:48:55   highest priority macbook second house [TS]

00:48:57   party and then mac pro and imac kind of [TS]

00:48:59   a time because the mac pro is like [TS]

00:49:01   really that is if they care about pro at [TS]

00:49:04   all like the mean obviously they can't [TS]

00:49:06   do this that you skanky bitch can write [TS]

00:49:08   we know that's why none of us expected [TS]

00:49:09   Mac Pro will get what they think they're [TS]

00:49:11   going to do next but if they had made [TS]

00:49:13   wiser choices had a macbook had a matter [TS]

00:49:17   of product ready to go with a pre [TS]

00:49:19   skylake but post whatever the hell has [TS]

00:49:21   well II think they're using the old ones [TS]

00:49:23   that wasn't the only reason i remember [TS]

00:49:24   anymore the old my prose ivy bridge and [TS]

00:49:26   then and they they missed Haswell and [TS]

00:49:29   broad well yeah okay [TS]

00:49:31   anyway um that's what they should do [TS]

00:49:33   they're not going to but that would I [TS]

00:49:34   feel like there will be a tie for them [TS]

00:49:36   again none of us think that the mac mini [TS]

00:49:37   because the mac mini is not symbolic of [TS]

00:49:39   any segment that that we think is [TS]

00:49:41   important it's like if there's the pro [TS]

00:49:43   segment and then there's the stuff that [TS]

00:49:44   everybody else buys and the mac mini is [TS]

00:49:46   like not pro not everybody else weird [TS]

00:49:49   little thing and honestly it is a shame [TS]

00:49:52   they don't update it but i think it is [TS]

00:49:54   at the bottom of their priorities in [TS]

00:49:55   terms of what they should announce to [TS]

00:49:57   reassure any community of of purchasers [TS]

00:50:01   or to make up for past sins or whatever [TS]

00:50:03   because the mac mini has been on this [TS]

00:50:04   pay no mind list for its entire life [TS]

00:50:07   basically and it should just be used to [TS]

00:50:10   it [TS]

00:50:10   no i mean like if we're going for what [TS]

00:50:12   should they announced to convince people [TS]

00:50:14   who are paying attention that they got [TS]

00:50:16   their heads in the right place a mac pro [TS]

00:50:18   is is definitely number three if not [TS]

00:50:20   even number to it but if we in terms of [TS]

00:50:23   what they will actually announced i [TS]

00:50:26   don't i don't think we have a chance of [TS]

00:50:27   it because as you as you mentioned a few [TS]

00:50:29   minutes ago basically the mac pro is [TS]

00:50:32   currently kind of between two [TS]

00:50:34   generations like if Apple is going to [TS]

00:50:36   release a mac pro with a certain family [TS]

00:50:38   of Intel Xeon CPUs usually do it very [TS]

00:50:41   promptly with that families released to [TS]

00:50:43   the public [TS]

00:50:44   and the last Xeon CPUs released back in [TS]

00:50:47   June that was the broad well Eli so i [TS]

00:50:49   doubt like if they were going to ship [TS]

00:50:51   Mac Pro's that use broad well they [TS]

00:50:53   probably would have already done that so [TS]

00:50:55   it should have but they didn't write and [TS]

00:50:58   and the sky lake easy ons and and these [TS]

00:51:01   these names all lag behind the consumer [TS]

00:51:03   ships there's good reasons for that but [TS]

00:51:04   basically skylight is coming to the xeon [TS]

00:51:06   family allegedly in the first half of [TS]

00:51:09   2017 so my guess is that we get a [TS]

00:51:13   skylake mac pro if it is going to exist [TS]

00:51:15   we get that probably at WTC of next year [TS]

00:51:17   which will be awesome if it exists [TS]

00:51:19   because i like on the mac pro is [TS]

00:51:21   actually a really big upgrade like the [TS]

00:51:24   skylights xeon chipset this Intel's [TS]

00:51:27   codenamed pearly chips that has a bunch [TS]

00:51:29   of big improvements you know what like [TS]

00:51:31   higher throughput on things more [TS]

00:51:33   pci-express better memory all sorts of [TS]

00:51:35   improvements that will be bigger than [TS]

00:51:37   the average the upgrade so if we're [TS]

00:51:40   waiting for that like okay it'd be nice [TS]

00:51:42   if they had one now but that's gonna be [TS]

00:51:44   an awesome mac pro and eventually comes [TS]

00:51:46   out you know it's weird because I can't [TS]

00:51:50   believe I'm going to say this but I [TS]

00:51:51   think that updating the mac pro is [TS]

00:51:55   considerably more important than [TS]

00:51:57   updating the imac the imac yeah isn't [TS]

00:51:59   that old and I i concur that it's not [TS]

00:52:02   likely to happen and god I hope it [TS]

00:52:05   doesn't happen because of you two will [TS]

00:52:06   go on for 17 episodes but i do think it [TS]

00:52:10   is important for it to happen it's just [TS]

00:52:13   unfortunately the timing is all off but [TS]

00:52:16   it should happen for sure [TS]

00:52:18   well you had about like the reason I'm [TS]

00:52:19   doing prior this is you have to balance [TS]

00:52:21   not just like Oh what is the most likely [TS]

00:52:23   but it's like there's a there's a [TS]

00:52:24   balance between the volume of these that [TS]

00:52:26   you sell how important is this to the [TS]

00:52:28   entire product line and how far behind [TS]

00:52:30   is and that's why I think the macbook [TS]

00:52:32   pros and equities to come first because [TS]

00:52:33   their volume is just so much more than a [TS]

00:52:35   crow [TS]

00:52:35   yeah but at a certain point even at the [TS]

00:52:37   intestinal volumes of the mac pro cells [TS]

00:52:39   become symbolic and that's why I feel [TS]

00:52:41   like it's kind of the number three spot [TS]

00:52:43   time with the imac with Sam excels way [TS]

00:52:45   more than the mac pro and you know and [TS]

00:52:49   it's like it's another words I don't [TS]

00:52:51   want to say oh you've updated the imac [TS]

00:52:53   recently you can lead to give that one a [TS]

00:52:55   year-and-a-half vacation like now don't [TS]

00:52:56   keep doing what you [TS]

00:52:57   no that the rate of progress on the imac [TS]

00:53:00   has been good it's been a 5k mac and [TS]

00:53:03   then very shortly after a 5k Mike with a [TS]

00:53:05   better screen and it should be very [TS]

00:53:06   shortly after that [TS]

00:53:07   hey five came back with us bc they can [TS]

00:53:09   drive this new monitor like you know it [TS]

00:53:10   keep doing that that's what you're [TS]

00:53:11   supposed to the one back to doing the [TS]

00:53:12   right thing with so I almost don't want [TS]

00:53:13   to say oh you don't have to update on [TS]

00:53:15   that's not important but it isn't the [TS]

00:53:17   number three slot maybe time but the mac [TS]

00:53:19   processes like top-four we can just [TS]

00:53:20   quickly all the pics [TS]

00:53:21   it's like I think so so how important do [TS]

00:53:25   you guys think the external 5k display [TS]

00:53:27   is because i think it's probably a very [TS]

00:53:29   boring product but i think i think it's [TS]

00:53:32   actually a really big deal of power [TS]

00:53:33   users because a lot of power users use [TS]

00:53:36   MacBook Pros or macbook airs as their [TS]

00:53:38   primary only computer and they use them [TS]

00:53:41   at a desk or or you know moving around [TS]

00:53:43   and so many people i know use MacBook [TS]

00:53:46   Pros with extra monitors and you can get [TS]

00:53:49   retina so far if with like various dells [TS]

00:53:51   and stuff but it it tends to be buggy [TS]

00:53:53   and limited and generally crappy so this [TS]

00:53:56   you know i would imagine KC you're [TS]

00:53:58   probably like first in line for this [TS]

00:54:00   right [TS]

00:54:01   well yes and no so I have very strong [TS]

00:54:03   feelings about this I'm i have to lenovo [TS]

00:54:08   monitors at work [TS]

00:54:10   they're probably 22 or 24 inches they're [TS]

00:54:13   completely unremarkable in every way [TS]

00:54:15   they I think might be 1080 maybe I again [TS]

00:54:20   there's someone remarkable I don't even [TS]

00:54:22   recall what resolution they are i use [TS]

00:54:24   the two of them side-by-side on a [TS]

00:54:25   standing desk i leave my macbook pro [TS]

00:54:27   clamshell when i'm at work [TS]

00:54:29   this generally speaking is actually [TS]

00:54:31   fairly nice to have to reasonably large [TS]

00:54:33   external monitors that are pretty much [TS]

00:54:35   identical [TS]

00:54:36   however this becomes a freaking [TS]

00:54:39   nightmare when I'm doing you I work in [TS]

00:54:41   the simulator because these screens are [TS]

00:54:43   not retina which means when I shrink the [TS]

00:54:47   simulators so that it actually fits on [TS]

00:54:49   my screen which means I'm shrinking it [TS]

00:54:50   to you know like fifty percent at the [TS]

00:54:52   least [TS]

00:54:53   oftentimes I'll drop things that are on [TS]

00:54:57   the UI perfect example [TS]

00:54:58   yeah I constantly drop the dividing line [TS]

00:55:01   between tableview cells constantly and [TS]

00:55:04   so I think there's something wrong with [TS]

00:55:05   my UI oh no it's just these piece of [TS]

00:55:07   garbage monitors on I'm viewing this on [TS]

00:55:10   I understand [TS]

00:55:11   and that i could not clamshell my [TS]

00:55:13   macbook pro I could set that up and I [TS]

00:55:16   could do the simulator on there i [TS]

00:55:17   understand that but I don't want to call [TS]

00:55:20   me bananas whatever you want to do is [TS]

00:55:22   just not what I want to do your business [TS]

00:55:23   internal monitors thanks man i want to [TS]

00:55:27   use these external monitors so because [TS]

00:55:29   of this I've been going back and forth [TS]

00:55:30   our head IT guy trying to figure out [TS]

00:55:32   okay i really want something that's [TS]

00:55:35   retina and I don't think that's too much [TS]

00:55:37   to ask here's why and I think I got him [TS]

00:55:39   on board for that [TS]

00:55:40   so what can we do and he said well you [TS]

00:55:43   know generally speaking I want to get [TS]

00:55:44   you a cinema display your Thunderbolt [TS]

00:55:46   Display no no I don't want that I don't [TS]

00:55:47   want that nobody thought that yet you [TS]

00:55:50   don't get he said you know you don't [TS]

00:55:51   want that he knew they'd been [TS]

00:55:52   discontinued cetera but even then even [TS]

00:55:55   if they were just continue their not [TS]

00:55:56   right now so it doesn't help me so I [TS]

00:55:58   told him after having surveyed [TS]

00:56:00   twitter-like 16 different times i told [TS]

00:56:03   him i would like a particular del 4k [TS]

00:56:06   monitor and we will put a link in the [TS]

00:56:07   show notes because i don't recall the [TS]

00:56:09   exact model name offhand and it's like a [TS]

00:56:11   22 or 24 inch 4k monitor they also have [TS]

00:56:14   a 27-inch 5k monitor which is [TS]

00:56:16   effectively an imac but it also has the [TS]

00:56:18   price tag of climax i think the 5k was [TS]

00:56:20   like fifteen hundred dollars [TS]

00:56:21   yeah so the 4k one is about four hundred [TS]

00:56:25   give or take a little bit on amazon and [TS]

00:56:27   I Solomon in the chat said p24 15q and [TS]

00:56:32   I'm pretty darn sure that's right so [TS]

00:56:34   anyway it'll be insurance so we ordered [TS]

00:56:36   one and it came in and i took my 21 / [TS]

00:56:39   monitors off my desk I put my fancy [TS]

00:56:41   shiny new dell and ideas he told the [TS]

00:56:43   story last week did i okay i can recall [TS]

00:56:46   if I had or not and it was DOA so we [TS]

00:56:49   have a 27 inch LG 4k monitor that and I [TS]

00:56:55   was like it but it's the wrong size so [TS]

00:56:58   on the way but not here yet is a 24-inch [TS]

00:57:03   equivalent LG monitor and I've been [TS]

00:57:06   going back and forth with our IT guy for [TS]

00:57:07   like two months trying to figure out [TS]

00:57:09   what monitored by what price point we [TS]

00:57:10   can hit etc etc etc I don't necessarily [TS]

00:57:13   know that this phantom new retina 5k [TS]

00:57:16   external display I sincerely doubt that [TS]

00:57:19   it will be a price point that my company [TS]

00:57:22   will be willing to pay me [TS]

00:57:24   drive it from your Mac anyway so he and [TS]

00:57:26   I can I wouldn't be able to drive from [TS]

00:57:27   my mac anyways you're absolutely right [TS]

00:57:28   but let's leave that aside just for a [TS]

00:57:30   moment i'm assuming it'll still be a [TS]

00:57:32   thousand dollars just like the [TS]

00:57:33   Thunderbolt Display was report before [TS]

00:57:35   got retired may be higher if not yet to [TS]

00:57:37   your point if not more [TS]

00:57:38   I mean a thousand dollars for an apple [TS]

00:57:40   5k display today would actually be a [TS]

00:57:42   really competitive deal [TS]

00:57:44   sure but it but it's way more than you [TS]

00:57:47   if you're starting from the position of [TS]

00:57:49   probably a 220 fifty-dollar lenovo [TS]

00:57:51   monitor it's already a big deal for me [TS]

00:57:53   to be asking for 350 dollar dollar LG [TS]

00:57:56   monitor and now we're talking about a [TS]

00:57:58   thousand or $1,500 apple monitor on the [TS]

00:58:02   one side it would be an easy sell [TS]

00:58:03   because its first party on the other [TS]

00:58:05   side there's no freaking way they're [TS]

00:58:06   gonna spend that kind of money on me so [TS]

00:58:07   you're right Marco that I would be first [TS]

00:58:10   in line for it in the sense that I would [TS]

00:58:12   want it more than anything in the world [TS]

00:58:13   but i don't think my company would pay [TS]

00:58:15   for it i don't think i would want to pay [TS]

00:58:17   for it for a work computer and either [TS]

00:58:19   way I think this is all kind of moved [TS]

00:58:21   because John is exactly right [TS]

00:58:22   it's unlikely that my existing [TS]

00:58:24   effectively brand new macbook pro would [TS]

00:58:27   be able to drive it anyway so in summary [TS]

00:58:29   Casey said so I mean this is obviously [TS]

00:58:32   like you know in a perfect world you [TS]

00:58:34   would get a brand-new computer you know [TS]

00:58:36   in a few months or whatever that has all [TS]

00:58:38   the stuff right obviously that's [TS]

00:58:39   probably gonna happen [TS]

00:58:40   second second option here because you [TS]

00:58:43   know I if you need any ammo with it [TS]

00:58:45   sound like you don't believe me mo with [TS]

00:58:47   ID you can tell them that that Marco [TS]

00:58:49   Arment noted apple or authority and [TS]

00:58:52   whatever says that like seriously if you [TS]

00:58:55   are doing iOS development on a Mac it [TS]

00:58:59   must be retina like period you have to [TS]

00:59:01   like it because it is everything you [TS]

00:59:03   mentioned like every iOS device that [TS]

00:59:05   runs iOS 10 is retina so if you're doing [TS]

00:59:08   iOS development you are running your [TS]

00:59:10   software on reading devices and the [TS]

00:59:13   simulator does not run correctly in an [TS]

00:59:16   accurate way on non-retina screens [TS]

00:59:19   unless you like blow it up and then it [TS]

00:59:20   looks but they even wrong for different [TS]

00:59:22   reasons like to to responsibly develop [TS]

00:59:25   for iOS if you have any budget at all [TS]

00:59:29   and if you're working for an employer [TS]

00:59:30   what you cost them every month is way [TS]

00:59:33   more than then like computer equipment [TS]

00:59:35   so you know it's understandable if [TS]

00:59:37   you're like hobbyist [TS]

00:59:38   you only have an old Mac finds one thing [TS]

00:59:39   but if you like working in an office for [TS]

00:59:41   like a professional company in the [TS]

00:59:42   united states that that makes iOS and [TS]

00:59:45   your job is to make iOS software you [TS]

00:59:47   need to be using a Retina screen and [TS]

00:59:49   preferably the largest one that you can [TS]

00:59:50   possibly find because that is just ate [TS]

00:59:53   that is the practical reality of [TS]

00:59:55   developing iOS applications that is what [TS]

00:59:58   they need [TS]

00:59:59   it's it [TS]

00:59:59   it's it [TS]

01:00:00   simple as that so you might want to [TS]

01:00:02   consider all this is probably not going [TS]

01:00:04   to happen you're probably gonna tell me [TS]

01:00:05   immediately know in the meantime if you [TS]

01:00:08   can't get them to spring for a brand-new [TS]

01:00:10   computer and a brand-new 5k monitor next [TS]

01:00:12   year or next month or next week [TS]

01:00:14   what about switching to a 5k i'm at work [TS]

01:00:17   is that an option and like that costs a [TS]

01:00:21   lot more than 350 Delano heart whatever [TS]

01:00:23   monitor that was energy monitor yeah the [TS]

01:00:25   LG monitors understand fifty dollars and [TS]

01:00:28   even my parents not [TS]

01:00:30   yeah and even two of them is cheaper [TS]

01:00:32   than one imac and and it's funny because [TS]

01:00:34   from time to time i work from home and [TS]

01:00:36   as long as I'm hitting our production [TS]

01:00:39   servers you know I'm not do i'm not [TS]

01:00:40   doing any work that requires our QA or [TS]

01:00:43   development servers [TS]

01:00:45   I don't need to be on our VPN and and i [TS]

01:00:47   will do work from home and it on my on [TS]

01:00:51   my imac and it is amazing it is so much [TS]

01:00:54   nicer than doing work at work see the [TS]

01:00:58   survival [TS]

01:00:59   well right now it is it really is and [TS]

01:01:01   and in that sense you're absolutely [TS]

01:01:03   right but for better or worse right [TS]

01:01:05   wrong or indifferent i prefer to have a [TS]

01:01:07   laptop so that if i want to work from [TS]

01:01:10   home and I need to get on the VPN or I [TS]

01:01:12   need to have something that for some [TS]

01:01:14   crazy reason is only on my work laptop [TS]

01:01:17   I'd prefer to have a laptop which means [TS]

01:01:19   i think my future setup will be either [TS]

01:01:23   one or two of these LG monitors I think [TS]

01:01:25   all told i'm gonna be really happy with [TS]

01:01:27   it but the initial reply from my IT guy [TS]

01:01:31   was will throw away one of your when / [TS]

01:01:33   monitors and use your laptop and shut up [TS]

01:01:35   which truth be told is not reasonable [TS]

01:01:37   answer that is also an option [TS]

01:01:40   yeah but but i like having the two [TS]

01:01:42   identical screens and so that's why I'm [TS]

01:01:45   avoiding that I think in the future i [TS]

01:01:47   will i will probably end up doing one of [TS]

01:01:49   these for case and then bite the bullet [TS]

01:01:51   in one clam shell my my macbook pro or [TS]

01:01:55   in a more perfect world two of the 4k [TS]

01:01:57   displays and the interval in the most [TS]

01:01:59   perfect a perfect worlds somehow we the [TS]

01:02:02   company falls upon even more money and [TS]

01:02:04   they get me one of these phantom you [TS]

01:02:05   displays with one of the Phantom new max [TS]

01:02:07   but given that my max on a two-year [TS]

01:02:08   lease and i've only been there like [TS]

01:02:10   seven or eight months that's probably [TS]

01:02:11   not going to have [TS]

01:02:12   and what about to macbook pro side by [TS]

01:02:14   side he knows that you have your two [TS]

01:02:17   side-by-side monitors the exact same [TS]

01:02:18   size they're both retina and your [TS]

01:02:20   company seems to be totally okay by [TS]

01:02:21   microprose yeah if only were that evil [TS]

01:02:23   policing macbook pros and if only use me [TS]

01:02:26   with that easy because i don't know i [TS]

01:02:28   mean i hear you so that since yeah this [TS]

01:02:30   is a very long way to say Hecky I'd love [TS]

01:02:32   to have one of these phantom you know [TS]

01:02:34   the USBC 5k displays but I don't foresee [TS]

01:02:38   one being in my future unless i funded [TS]

01:02:41   and even then it won't be for two years [TS]

01:02:43   because my mac my work Mac won't support [TS]

01:02:45   it kinda like the mac mini apple has [TS]

01:02:49   conditioned us all over many years not [TS]

01:02:51   just a thunderbolt display not to expect [TS]

01:02:54   apple to update its monitors in any [TS]

01:02:55   reasonable time frame so that's why I [TS]

01:02:58   think despite the fact that i really [TS]

01:02:59   want to 5k display to connect to a [TS]

01:03:02   hypothetical mac pro in the future it [TS]

01:03:05   does its blows other items terms of what [TS]

01:03:07   they should do it because Apple sister [TS]

01:03:09   with matters just abysmal likely want [TS]

01:03:11   the literature is an amazing monitor and [TS]

01:03:13   just let sit there for years and then [TS]

01:03:16   introduce another amazing monitor and [TS]

01:03:18   let it sit there for years and then [TS]

01:03:19   apparently now discontinued it and then [TS]

01:03:21   I fully expect if they continue to make [TS]

01:03:23   monitors at all [TS]

01:03:24   they will eventually announced another [TS]

01:03:25   amazing monitor and then let it sit [TS]

01:03:27   there for years so the trick is by it [TS]

01:03:29   around the time they announced it was [TS]

01:03:30   still amazing don't buy it at the end of [TS]

01:03:33   its I'm teen year life cycle so I'm [TS]

01:03:37   trying not to get my hopes up about it [TS]

01:03:39   being announced I won't be disappointed [TS]

01:03:40   if it's not announced but either way I [TS]

01:03:42   don't think it's in their priority list [TS]

01:03:44   doesn't come before any other things [TS]

01:03:45   that we've discussed so far in terms of [TS]

01:03:46   that they have to do this to either [TS]

01:03:48   because they're going to sell a lot of [TS]

01:03:49   them which they're not a thousand-dollar [TS]

01:03:50   monitor or that they need to reassure [TS]

01:03:52   people which they don't because like the [TS]

01:03:53   mac mini world is used to the fact that [TS]

01:03:54   monitors another thing that apple [TS]

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01:04:57   places and these are all at much lower [TS]

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01:05:04   you anyways two cases feature in a [TS]

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01:05:09   in case you pack a lot of stuff [TS]

01:05:11   Casey and they they they have 4 360 [TS]

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01:05:19   smooth ride a tsa approved combination [TS]

01:05:21   lock built into the top of the back to [TS]

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01:05:25   laundry bag is kind of cool that you [TS]

01:05:26   know sad you're on the trip and dirty [TS]

01:05:28   clothes in there keep them separate from [TS]

01:05:30   your clean stuff and one of the cool [TS]

01:05:32   they mentioned earlier the the carrion [TS]

01:05:34   has a USB charger built-in so it has [TS]

01:05:37   like a little battery in and it's able [TS]

01:05:38   to charge all cell phones tablets [TS]

01:05:40   e-readers anything is powered by USB [TS]

01:05:42   cable so a single charge of the away [TS]

01:05:44   carry on will charge your iphone 5 times [TS]

01:05:47   it's it's just one of those things like [TS]

01:05:48   why hasn't all logins done this in in [TS]

01:05:51   this day and age well away thought of [TS]

01:05:53   that and they made this incredibly [TS]

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01:06:31   so John you have it away right yeah of [TS]

01:06:33   course I never travel anywhere but my [TS]

01:06:35   wife has been traveling lately and so [TS]

01:06:36   she took it with her [TS]

01:06:37   and so obviously like that the built-in [TS]

01:06:39   USB thing again like the first time you [TS]

01:06:40   see you're like why doesn't everybody do [TS]

01:06:42   this you might think that it's going to [TS]

01:06:44   make your luggage heavy she's got to [TS]

01:06:45   carry on like always going to be a big [TS]

01:06:47   USB battery it does not make it [TS]

01:06:48   everything is a very light thing and she [TS]

01:06:50   actually used it like not because you [TS]

01:06:52   know she was trying to use it would be [TS]

01:06:53   inconvenient like you're in the airport [TS]

01:06:54   and you ever see people trying to fight [TS]

01:06:56   to get those good seats that have the [TS]

01:06:58   the plugs near them or sitting down on [TS]

01:07:00   the floor because a plug or whatever you [TS]

01:07:02   want to worry about you got your battery [TS]

01:07:03   with you and the other thing that you [TS]

01:07:06   did my wife mentioned after using it but [TS]

01:07:08   you might not think about is that you [TS]

01:07:10   know like Karen's all come with some [TS]

01:07:11   kind of lock on them you know some silly [TS]

01:07:13   probably not particularly secure thing [TS]

01:07:15   and they usually more annoying to use [TS]

01:07:17   then they are for like the benefit you [TS]

01:07:20   get and we have locks on all sorts of [TS]

01:07:21   characters we never use them and she [TS]

01:07:22   said surprisingly the lock in this month [TS]

01:07:24   was nice enough and convenient that she [TS]

01:07:27   actually found herself using it didn't [TS]

01:07:28   feel chintzy and cheap and I like it it [TS]

01:07:32   made her want to use it instead of just [TS]

01:07:34   ignoring and pretending there is no lock [TS]

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01:07:54   ah I John you were the one who had kind [TS]

01:07:59   of a flow to how we would discuss this [TS]

01:08:01   what comes next well the other angle [TS]

01:08:05   this is a the things that we wish they [TS]

01:08:07   were announced but I think we've mostly [TS]

01:08:09   covered that with a you know things that [TS]

01:08:11   we would want versus the things that are [TS]

01:08:13   actually important for Apple to announce [TS]

01:08:14   so we already talked about the mac pros [TS]

01:08:16   and the monitor and also that stuff like [TS]

01:08:18   that [TS]

01:08:19   do we do do any of us think there is a [TS]

01:08:22   reasonable chance of a wild card that is [TS]

01:08:24   not related to max their pods or [TS]

01:08:26   anything that like is expected a rumored [TS]

01:08:29   you know I hear there's a hub that's [TS]

01:08:32   coming one of these the hot wild card i [TS]

01:08:34   don't know i don't think so although [TS]

01:08:36   stark aside there's nothing i can think [TS]

01:08:37   of the wild-card could be something [TS]

01:08:39   about the max that we're not talking [TS]

01:08:41   about like we don't that we haven't [TS]

01:08:42   mentioned like you know touch ID and all [TS]

01:08:44   like that doesn't count we've all seen [TS]

01:08:45   the rumors that like something that has [TS]

01:08:47   not even been rumored usb3 to ethernet [TS]

01:08:50   what they don't have that they only have [TS]

01:08:53   USB 2 or Thunderbolts true that's really [TS]

01:08:56   what they're studying hubs and dongles I [TS]

01:08:58   mean I guess that's adorable a wild card [TS]

01:08:59   yet but yeah i like is that I don't know [TS]

01:09:04   that it's true that we haven't been [TS]

01:09:05   talking about that mostly because it's [TS]

01:09:07   not that interesting is a million [TS]

01:09:08   third-party things you can plug into [TS]

01:09:10   your max and i will continue to me but I [TS]

01:09:11   maybe that counts I don't know [TS]

01:09:12   so here's a question do I mean you know [TS]

01:09:14   more on the macbook pros because there [TS]

01:09:16   are there are still a few big things we [TS]

01:09:18   don't know about them and a lot of [TS]

01:09:19   people keep asking about do you think [TS]

01:09:21   they will have lightning ports for [TS]

01:09:24   headphones [TS]

01:09:25   my guess is no because I I think [TS]

01:09:27   lightning port are going to stay iOS [TS]

01:09:28   device only for plenty of various like [TS]

01:09:30   you know platform chip reasons in all [TS]

01:09:32   likelihood but they have touch ID on [TS]

01:09:34   their hold on before before we answer [TS]

01:09:38   ok let's assume they do not have [TS]

01:09:40   lightning ports for headphones Marco [TS]

01:09:42   would you say then that they have a [TS]

01:09:45   headphone jack at all or its crew you [TS]

01:09:47   it's Bluetooth nothing I suspect they [TS]

01:09:50   will still have a headphone jack or a [TS]

01:09:52   lightning port and honestly I think the [TS]

01:09:54   more likely answer is they're still [TS]

01:09:55   gonna have a headphone port but but I i [TS]

01:09:59   think they're gonna have one of the [TS]

01:09:59   others are going to have nothing and I [TS]

01:10:01   think they will still have a plan all [TS]

01:10:03   the headphone port [TS]

01:10:04   mostly though because I would imagine / [TS]

01:10:08   hope that these macs hardware was [TS]

01:10:11   designed longer ago than we would like [TS]

01:10:13   to think about the idea of the Intel [TS]

01:10:16   delays with this guy like everything [TS]

01:10:18   like that that you know that I think the [TS]

01:10:21   slot headquarters now second question is [TS]

01:10:24   what do you think they should have [TS]

01:10:26   would you like a macbook of any kind [TS]

01:10:29   that did not have a plain old headphone [TS]

01:10:32   jack but instead he there a lightning [TS]

01:10:34   jack or nothing because that's something [TS]

01:10:35   that would be attractive to you anyway [TS]

01:10:37   we just see is damaged basically i mean [TS]

01:10:39   i'm always on Bluetooth locations i [TS]

01:10:41   always vary from time to time if I have [TS]

01:10:44   forgotten to charge my headphones and [TS]

01:10:46   forever which occasionally happens but [TS]

01:10:49   it's very very rare i would plug in my [TS]

01:10:52   old earbuds or in in potentially my [TS]

01:10:56   lightning earbuds to the mac but for me [TS]

01:10:58   it would not bother me if there was no [TS]

01:11:02   audiojack of any kind and I was [TS]

01:11:04   bluetooth or nothing to me like if I'm [TS]

01:11:07   using my macbook for some kind of audio [TS]

01:11:10   output one of the things i would do most [TS]

01:11:13   often there is podcast editing while [TS]

01:11:15   traveling and so I can't take any [TS]

01:11:18   latency or and podcast recording is also [TS]

01:11:20   we also be a big thing so I mean no that [TS]

01:11:22   wouldn't use the built-in headphone jack [TS]

01:11:23   anyway basically latency is is a big [TS]

01:11:26   deal killer for me on that so [TS]

01:11:28   bluetooth would be a very hard sell so [TS]

01:11:30   if there's any kind of if you're using [TS]

01:11:32   headphones on a mac laptop most of the [TS]

01:11:35   time going to want them to be wired and [TS]

01:11:36   see if they're going to be wired anyway [TS]

01:11:38   they might as well either be the same [TS]

01:11:40   lightning headphones that I can [TS]

01:11:42   presumably use with my iphone if I ever [TS]

01:11:44   make that switch with a guy probably [TS]

01:11:45   will eventually or everywhere headphone [TS]

01:11:48   jack [TS]

01:11:49   I think I'm pretty much on board with [TS]

01:11:51   the idea of in the future [TS]

01:11:53   replacing the headphone jack with [TS]

01:11:54   lighting jack on max I'm not so that's [TS]

01:11:56   always saying apples going to do it but [TS]

01:11:57   i would be mostly okay with that [TS]

01:11:59   I just think that that is lag behind the [TS]

01:12:02   conversion of the iOS ecosystem because [TS]

01:12:04   it's gonna be just have the iphone 7 vs [TS]

01:12:06   the first device to do this [TS]

01:12:07   give it a few years see if the headphone [TS]

01:12:10   situation shakes itself out if it [TS]

01:12:11   doesn't it looks like it's safe and and [TS]

01:12:13   you have lots and lots of people with [TS]

01:12:15   lightning headphones or with those [TS]

01:12:16   little 9l adapters or whatever it's like [TS]

01:12:18   then okay all clear you can replace the [TS]

01:12:20   headphone jack on the rocks and the only [TS]

01:12:22   reason you'd be replacing it is [TS]

01:12:23   basically uniformity and you know I mean [TS]

01:12:26   it's not like you're trying to shape [TS]

01:12:28   those little pieces that little bits of [TS]

01:12:29   a size out of the inside of your macbook [TS]

01:12:31   system it's not as constrained as is on [TS]

01:12:33   a phone on but the uniformity would be [TS]

01:12:36   nice and i think once they start adding [TS]

01:12:38   touch ID and stuff to max you start [TS]

01:12:41   incorporating chips and other [TS]

01:12:43   technologies from iOS devices into max [TS]

01:12:45   for that purpose it's not too far to go [TS]

01:12:47   from there to lightning and I think you [TS]

01:12:49   can do potentially interesting things [TS]

01:12:50   with the lighting ports it's and it was [TS]

01:12:52   weird like you get us bc when I sliding [TS]

01:12:54   in their similar sizes and we talked [TS]

01:12:56   about this way back in the day about [TS]

01:12:57   like I want to be confusing to have to [TS]

01:12:59   and i'll put them in the wrong slots and [TS]

01:13:00   stuff I felt existing medical problems [TS]

01:13:02   but in the short term I would prefer if [TS]

01:13:05   the max announce on the twenty-seventh [TS]

01:13:08   have a plain old headphone jack and i [TS]

01:13:10   would not like a magnet has neither of [TS]

01:13:12   those things and [TS]

01:13:13   yeah i mean i don't think would bother [TS]

01:13:15   me but the only time i would really [TS]

01:13:18   bother me that I that occurred to me [TS]

01:13:19   when you were talking is I don't have [TS]

01:13:21   noise canceling or noise-isolating [TS]

01:13:22   headphones that are bluetooth so on a [TS]

01:13:24   plane when I want to listen to you know [TS]

01:13:28   my ultimate ears that are in years that [TS]

01:13:31   are better noise isolating their as [TS]

01:13:33   traditional wired headphones or ear buds [TS]

01:13:35   whatever and that would really annoy me [TS]

01:13:37   because typically i'll use either my [TS]

01:13:39   ipad or my mac on a long flight and so [TS]

01:13:42   that really bums me out unless I could [TS]

01:13:43   do the Lightning to you know original [TS]

01:13:45   headphone dance and home [TS]

01:13:48   well and you know and apples apples [TS]

01:13:49   response to that kind of thing usually [TS]

01:13:50   like if the if if they moved to a new [TS]

01:13:54   thing or the deletion of an old [TS]

01:13:56   technology like a port if it results in [TS]

01:14:00   people having to just buy new X in this [TS]

01:14:03   case you buy new headphones and this [TS]

01:14:05   problem goes away if it can be solved [TS]

01:14:07   that way apple doesn't care what you say [TS]

01:14:08   okay we'll find my new headphones you [TS]

01:14:10   you will eventually buy new headphones [TS]

01:14:11   so when that happens you'll be okay [TS]

01:14:12   maybe we'll get you to buy them sooner [TS]

01:14:14   and later Apple does not care if that if [TS]

01:14:16   that is the answer me [TS]

01:14:17   it's not it's arguable whether they [TS]

01:14:18   should care because that's you know [TS]

01:14:20   you're throwing more cost on to people [TS]

01:14:21   what they want to make this movie you [TS]

01:14:23   know so that you know that does add up [TS]

01:14:24   in that money matters to most people who [TS]

01:14:26   are buying it but apple doesn't care but [TS]

01:14:29   the problem comes when there is nothing [TS]

01:14:31   better to move to or if if the if the [TS]

01:14:34   things that they're telling you well [TS]

01:14:36   this problem goes away if you just [TS]

01:14:37   switch to X or you just stop needing why [TS]

01:14:40   you know sometimes the result of what [TS]

01:14:43   you use instead they just don't have a [TS]

01:14:45   good answer for that or the or the [TS]

01:14:46   answer is it has a lot of other [TS]

01:14:48   downsides that the old way didn't have [TS]

01:14:51   an idea for a wild card that I've far as [TS]

01:14:55   a member though I haven't been paying [TS]

01:14:56   that much attention to it and this is a [TS]

01:14:58   special feature just for Casey how about [TS]

01:15:01   a waterproof laptop accent oh yeah haha [TS]

01:15:05   not like i don't know i think it's like [TS]

01:15:09   as we know we've got the phone that is [TS]

01:15:11   waterproof basically and I think this is [TS]

01:15:14   a feature that should be rolled out [TS]

01:15:15   across the entire product line [TS]

01:15:19   I it's no reason to not put it on iPads [TS]

01:15:22   and everything else because it's kind of [TS]

01:15:23   weird to have this very expensive device [TS]

01:15:25   that you that becomes important to your [TS]

01:15:27   life that you bring them with you that [TS]

01:15:28   if you get like a little splash of water [TS]

01:15:30   are potentially in the wrong spot [TS]

01:15:32   it's dead and it's dead in a really bad [TS]

01:15:34   way and that like this special [TS]

01:15:35   provisions in the various warranties [TS]

01:15:36   that Apple does like its treated [TS]

01:15:38   differently it's so you know it i don't [TS]

01:15:41   like that i like feeling a little bit [TS]

01:15:42   more confident and laptops you know [TS]

01:15:45   people still things in a multi now can [TS]

01:15:46   you make it as waterproof is the phone [TS]

01:15:48   probably not because of the keyboard and [TS]

01:15:49   all that stuff whatever but how about a [TS]

01:15:52   more water resistant version of a laptop [TS]

01:15:55   lots of the you know pc makers make [TS]

01:15:57   laptops that are better about dealing [TS]

01:15:59   with water than any of apples i think [TS]

01:16:01   apple can improve in this area and that [TS]

01:16:04   would be an interesting place to go [TS]

01:16:07   I think it's an attractive feature for [TS]

01:16:09   people i think a lot of people have [TS]

01:16:10   spilled liquid into the laptops and you [TS]

01:16:12   don't have to sell it as like a you can [TS]

01:16:13   use your laptop under water in the pool [TS]

01:16:15   just maybe like be more resilient to [TS]

01:16:18   splashes that's all I'm saying [TS]

01:16:19   I feel like they could do that and it [TS]

01:16:21   would be a benefit and everybody would [TS]

01:16:22   see it and if they rolled that across [TS]

01:16:23   their entire product line eventually we [TS]

01:16:25   take for granted and wouldn't be able to [TS]

01:16:26   go back to the days where the tiniest [TS]

01:16:28   splashing fryer whole computer [TS]

01:16:30   oh if only has that it that's it that's [TS]

01:16:32   a tough challenge I think because like [TS]

01:16:34   if you think about the the physical [TS]

01:16:36   attributes and needs of a laptop like [TS]

01:16:38   you know with either one of the most [TS]

01:16:40   common water problems they have is askew [TS]

01:16:43   knows because people often have drinks [TS]

01:16:45   on the table next to a laptop this is [TS]

01:16:47   you know in coffee shops on death like [TS]

01:16:48   all the time people have this and so if [TS]

01:16:51   that drink goes over it's basically [TS]

01:16:52   going to pour directly into the middle [TS]

01:16:54   of the pack up where the laptop is [TS]

01:16:56   covered in a giant great of holes for [TS]

01:16:59   keys to go through and if it misses the [TS]

01:17:01   keys [TS]

01:17:02   it'll go into the speakers or events [TS]

01:17:04   because they're air-cooled so like on a [TS]

01:17:07   phone you don't really have that you [TS]

01:17:09   have a way smaller bigger you got [TS]

01:17:11   speakers you got ports and the keyboard [TS]

01:17:13   you can put in a big bathtub [TS]

01:17:15   you have a way smaller number of entry [TS]

01:17:18   points on a phone and it's just a much [TS]

01:17:21   simpler shape there's there are fewer [TS]

01:17:23   holes there you don't have air cooling [TS]

01:17:26   of like the internals having a fan [TS]

01:17:27   constantly sucking air through events [TS]

01:17:29   don't have that on the macbook either [TS]

01:17:30   cuz i'm thinking you start with the [TS]

01:17:32   macbook yeah you you don't try to keep [TS]

01:17:34   water in the keyboard because it's [TS]

01:17:35   impossible [TS]

01:17:36   instead you just make the keyboard a [TS]

01:17:38   sealed-off region where you can spill [TS]

01:17:40   water in there and then you pour the [TS]

01:17:42   water out of there like that in other [TS]

01:17:43   words water that goes in through the [TS]

01:17:44   keyboard does not go to the rest of the [TS]

01:17:46   computer speakers same deal you know [TS]

01:17:48   just like on The Watcher anything else [TS]

01:17:50   on the phone yes there are speakers [TS]

01:17:52   yes you will get water in them and screw [TS]

01:17:53   them up as always you can get the water [TS]

01:17:55   out and it doesn't destroy the entire [TS]

01:17:56   computer and again start with the [TS]

01:17:57   macbook no fan because that's obviously [TS]

01:17:59   the hardest one because you can all the [TS]

01:18:00   other things you can deal with but fans [TS]

01:18:02   having like air cooling and waterproof [TS]

01:18:05   really don't mix with each other in any [TS]

01:18:07   same way but I feel like this is an area [TS]

01:18:11   where they could be improved even if you [TS]

01:18:12   just did the keyboard part of it like [TS]

01:18:14   the keyboard and speaker part but still [TS]

01:18:15   if you got water in the air vents are [TS]

01:18:17   still screwed right because you're right [TS]

01:18:18   that people spill it on the top of the [TS]

01:18:20   things so this is a this is a feature [TS]

01:18:22   that Apple should roll out eventually [TS]

01:18:24   you know across all its entire product [TS]

01:18:26   line [TS]

01:18:27   I it probably not gonna come this year [TS]

01:18:29   earlier we would have heard rumors of it [TS]

01:18:30   and if there were rumors i miss them but [TS]

01:18:32   i think that's a that's a fun wild card [TS]

01:18:34   well and by the way you know for [TS]

01:18:35   whatever it's worth the work where are [TS]

01:18:37   we are about to have in all you know by [TS]

01:18:40   all measures were about to have at least [TS]

01:18:42   two new macs announced in a week and [TS]

01:18:45   probably three or more and we have seen [TS]

01:18:48   almost no parts leaks we like we we know [TS]

01:18:53   roughly there was like that one case in [TS]

01:18:55   the top case here with a place where the [TS]

01:18:57   little strip but we saw 1 13 inch top [TS]

01:18:59   case and that was once ago and that's it [TS]

01:19:01   we don't know anything about the 15-inch [TS]

01:19:03   we don't know anything about the [TS]

01:19:04   possible air if that wasn't it like we [TS]

01:19:08   don't know anything about these [TS]

01:19:08   computers except for like you know some [TS]

01:19:10   of the future bullet points which i [TS]

01:19:11   think is kind of exciting i love not [TS]

01:19:14   knowing like all the details of how [TS]

01:19:15   they're gonna look and what kind of you [TS]

01:19:16   know what is that they're gonna have [TS]

01:19:17   like and what colors that come in or [TS]

01:19:19   whatever yeah well its people don't care [TS]

01:19:21   because the sounds of it like that is [TS]

01:19:23   the lower volume like it's easier to [TS]

01:19:25   keep a secret when you settle over [TS]

01:19:26   human is easier to keep it secret and [TS]

01:19:27   been only weird McNamara's care about [TS]

01:19:29   this stuff so i must be refreshing [TS]

01:19:31   grapple you know it's funny [TS]

01:19:34   John you just something about colors and [TS]

01:19:36   I'd like to go back like half an hour in [TS]

01:19:38   the conversation wildcard colors like [TS]

01:19:42   having once been returned [TS]

01:19:45   oh has it ok well one epic one has [TS]

01:19:48   colors so you know what yeah i agree but [TS]

01:19:50   i'm saying that the whole line or more [TS]

01:19:52   of the one jet black [TS]

01:19:54   oh god I i don't know i don't think i [TS]

01:19:55   want your black with a matte black know [TS]

01:19:57   em well here's here's one thing i [TS]

01:19:59   thought of two like if again this is [TS]

01:20:01   probably overthinking it but if you look [TS]

01:20:02   at the invitation the colors in that [TS]

01:20:04   logo are very close to the metal colors [TS]

01:20:08   that macbook or that Apple's recent [TS]

01:20:11   hardware is available in with the [TS]

01:20:12   exception of that orange but if you look [TS]

01:20:14   at like you know there's they have that [TS]

01:20:16   little tip silver little gold pink and [TS]

01:20:19   black and red and orange shadow has a [TS]

01:20:22   strategy that's why it's Emmy it is a [TS]

01:20:24   stretch but you know there's certainly [TS]

01:20:26   something I i would expect that there [TS]

01:20:29   are probably going to be the metal you [TS]

01:20:31   at least the same colors the macbook one [TS]

01:20:33   is in which is basically all them accept [TS]

01:20:34   the rose gold right there is there to [TS]

01:20:36   make a romantic one finally or no I [TS]

01:20:39   thought they did [TS]

01:20:40   maybe this year they did that's the [TS]

01:20:42   thing the thing with those colors is [TS]

01:20:43   it's all basically silver aluminum with [TS]

01:20:45   a 10-2 that is so gentle that depending [TS]

01:20:48   on the lighting in the room they change [TS]

01:20:49   appearance like it's like those cars [TS]

01:20:51   that are great but look very you know [TS]

01:20:52   have some color like that [TS]

01:20:54   the colors are not particularly bolt [TS]

01:20:56   whereas i would say matt black as bold [TS]

01:20:57   and obviously jet-black his bold i don't [TS]

01:20:59   really don't think they're gonna get [TS]

01:21:00   black mac but they could totally make a [TS]

01:21:02   matte black one and i would love it i [TS]

01:21:04   just haven't seen a rumor i would i [TS]

01:21:07   would love to sit because honestly like [TS]

01:21:09   the the space grey macbook one I don't [TS]

01:21:12   think it like I think it would look a [TS]

01:21:14   lot better if it was darker basically [TS]

01:21:15   like it looks it looks fine but like if [TS]

01:21:18   I if I were getting a macbook one today [TS]

01:21:19   I actually wouldn't necessarily get [TS]

01:21:22   space great just because like it's not i [TS]

01:21:24   don't know it's kind of like kind of a [TS]

01:21:26   middle color you know like I wish to be [TS]

01:21:28   a little bit more towards one or the [TS]

01:21:29   other [TS]

01:21:30   yeah I agree all right anything else on [TS]

01:21:34   the event I i know that there's another [TS]

01:21:36   thing that just got rumor today that we [TS]

01:21:38   can talk about but [TS]

01:21:39   anything else about the event [TS]

01:21:39   specifically i think it's related event [TS]

01:21:42   this the next room or thing because the [TS]

01:21:45   the rumor the story that was circulating [TS]

01:21:48   today was about a keyboard that wasn't [TS]

01:21:50   just like a regular keyboard with a new [TS]

01:21:53   strip on top of it that is a screen of [TS]

01:21:55   some kind of replacing the function keys [TS]

01:21:57   but rather that every key on the [TS]

01:21:59   keyboard would be kind of like a [TS]

01:22:01   miniature ink display and be changeable [TS]

01:22:03   the castle changeable whatever and it's [TS]

01:22:07   weird to see this type of story breaking [TS]

01:22:09   like shortly before an event when Max [TS]

01:22:11   will be announced but i think we all [TS]

01:22:13   pretty much agree and even these stories [TS]

01:22:15   agree even if this whole thing about the [TS]

01:22:17   e & keyboards is true it's not for this [TS]

01:22:19   event right we have seemed consistent it [TS]

01:22:24   seemed kind of odd to me like the idea [TS]

01:22:27   in general which is have the entire [TS]

01:22:30   keyboard every key be its own ink [TS]

01:22:32   display so it can change you know what [TS]

01:22:35   key does what as you change mode so say [TS]

01:22:38   perhaps if you hold the command key [TS]

01:22:40   maybe you could see like some texts [TS]

01:22:42   describing what each of those peas [TS]

01:22:44   doesn't hold command option in the text [TS]

01:22:46   changes to show what each of these [TS]

01:22:47   hockey's to do or maybe emoji come up on [TS]

01:22:51   the key physical keyboard like of itself [TS]

01:22:53   I don't think that's unreasonable idea [TS]

01:22:55   but it seemed odd to me that it sounded [TS]

01:22:59   like Apple was going to a foxconn like [TS]

01:23:01   subsidiary or something like that in [TS]

01:23:03   order to get this [TS]

01:23:05   it seemed to me more like Apple would [TS]

01:23:07   just buy this company or or something on [TS]

01:23:10   those lines if they really were [TS]

01:23:11   interested in doing this sort of thing [TS]

01:23:13   and it was also an odd time for this [TS]

01:23:15   rumor to leak like like you said so I I [TS]

01:23:18   don't put a whole lot of credence into [TS]

01:23:19   this even though the idea in of itself i [TS]

01:23:22   think sounds kind of cool i definitely a [TS]

01:23:24   story like this where a particular [TS]

01:23:26   company is mentioned especially business [TS]

01:23:28   startup like this was like an Australian [TS]

01:23:29   startup is Apple's teaming up with them [TS]

01:23:31   too but like it's easy to read these [TS]

01:23:34   stories as intentional League [TS]

01:23:37   fabrication PR by someone who is [TS]

01:23:41   interested in seeing this startups [TS]

01:23:42   prospects being boosted like guess what [TS]

01:23:45   Apple's secretly working with this [TS]

01:23:46   startup on the next generation of Bob [TS]

01:23:48   like who knows what the actual tears was [TS]

01:23:50   like [TS]

01:23:51   don't want to see an individual [TS]

01:23:52   companies name in my rumors because then [TS]

01:23:54   I start thinking this entire story is a [TS]

01:23:55   plant to boost the IPO or stock price [TS]

01:23:58   her or whatever this company right and [TS]

01:24:01   so that makes me suspicious of this and [TS]

01:24:03   timing is well like if you're not saying [TS]

01:24:07   this is going to be announcing the 27 [TS]

01:24:08   like save it until after if you it's [TS]

01:24:10   like even if you had this story and [TS]

01:24:12   you're like 925 mac or something you [TS]

01:24:14   would save it until after because [TS]

01:24:16   everyone right now should be talking [TS]

01:24:17   about the root of the increasingly [TS]

01:24:18   accurate remembers it was gonna be [TS]

01:24:20   announced that 27 not [TS]

01:24:21   Oh guess what that you know the next [TS]

01:24:24   Apple act up after the ones that haven't [TS]

01:24:26   been announced yet they're gonna have a [TS]

01:24:27   totally reconfigurable screen so i think [TS]

01:24:31   this is a not a great story [TS]

01:24:33   I don't expect to see working for [TS]

01:24:34   reconfigurable a key caps on the [TS]

01:24:37   twenty-seventh and I'm not entirely [TS]

01:24:40   convinced it's a great idea even I just [TS]

01:24:42   think about emoji it's like Angus [TS]

01:24:44   creddie think Smith is slow needs to be [TS]

01:24:46   refreshed you can't use it like the key [TS]

01:24:48   caps control panel on the old Max where [TS]

01:24:50   you hold down the shift key and all the [TS]

01:24:52   kids are all the key caps on the [TS]

01:24:53   keyboard change the Capitals it's just [TS]

01:24:55   too slow and clunky for that you have to [TS]

01:24:56   constantly clearing out the the credit [TS]

01:24:59   little pixels or little balls that [TS]

01:25:02   haven't turned over and it's just it's [TS]

01:25:03   just not particularly apple i can we [TS]

01:25:05   talk about it for the little strip on [TS]

01:25:06   top and the idea would be that doesn't [TS]

01:25:07   change that frequently and that it can [TS]

01:25:09   be reconfigurable super low power but [TS]

01:25:11   all the rumors have been pointing [TS]

01:25:13   towards that being a color screen and [TS]

01:25:15   when you mentioned emoji who wants to [TS]

01:25:17   see black and white emoji caps you want [TS]

01:25:19   to see a little yellow smiley face it's [TS]

01:25:20   true actually I didn't even think about [TS]

01:25:22   that that's a really good point so I'm [TS]

01:25:24   not putting much in this although I do [TS]

01:25:26   kind of like the idea of an infinitely [TS]

01:25:28   reconfigurable keyboard but I still feel [TS]

01:25:30   like that's going to come by apple [TS]

01:25:31   finally getting the guts the courage to [TS]

01:25:33   get rid of all the moving Keys and just [TS]

01:25:34   make a giant oled think oh please don't [TS]

01:25:37   even suggest that [TS]

01:25:38   oh you live to see it just wait i'll [TS]

01:25:40   agree that the first keyboard i can't [TS]

01:25:42   use at all that would be wonderful [TS]

01:25:44   you know Microsoft this is discontinued [TS]

01:25:46   your keyboard to don't know what I know [TS]

01:25:48   well they're they're at their service [TS]

01:25:49   event that it's like two days before [TS]

01:25:50   this there they're gonna announce a new [TS]

01:25:51   ergonomic bluetooth keyboard that's [TS]

01:25:54   going to be surface branded I'm just [TS]

01:25:55   hoping it's good service branded what [TS]

01:25:58   about it is surfaces and screens on it [TS]

01:25:59   know that they're making basically like [TS]

01:26:01   a their own imac and they're calling it [TS]

01:26:03   surface [TS]

01:26:04   thinking of others it's going to be in [TS]

01:26:06   the service family just by branding and [TS]

01:26:09   so and they're making a whole new line [TS]

01:26:11   of service branded keyboards and I think [TS]

01:26:14   maybe mice also and one of them is a is [TS]

01:26:17   an ergonomic bluetooth keyboard that is [TS]

01:26:18   apparently going to replace my beloved [TS]

01:26:21   sculpt ergonomic keyboard using wire [TS]

01:26:23   though right [TS]

01:26:24   no it's wireless but it has its own [TS]

01:26:25   little custom dongle that kind of sucks [TS]

01:26:27   it's not nearly as good as well as the [TS]

01:26:29   logitech ones surface bring that I'm [TS]

01:26:31   actually be able to touch the screen and [TS]

01:26:32   not quite sure how far they can stretch [TS]

01:26:34   the surface thing i want is the surface [TS]

01:26:36   that you're talking about because it's [TS]

01:26:37   not a tablet is not a touchscreen and I [TS]

01:26:39   mean if it's been enough like that make [TS]

01:26:40   if you touched a lot of sex not you like [TS]

01:26:42   it over like that it seems like a [TS]

01:26:44   terrible idea was like will be actually [TS]

01:26:46   a touchscreen you know because they [TS]

01:26:47   can't touch me there when they're their [TS]

01:26:50   OS supports them [TS]

01:26:51   yeah it's probably just like branding is [TS]

01:26:54   probably going to be a regular computer [TS]

01:26:55   anyway i hope they release that soon [TS]

01:26:57   because i want to buy a keyboard and [TS]

01:26:59   hopefully you can buy the keyboard [TS]

01:27:00   separately make earlier than the rather [TS]

01:27:03   than later but we'll see their mics was [TS]

01:27:05   pretty good i usually use it's probably [TS]

01:27:06   available anyway we done [TS]

01:27:10   yeah I think so alright thanks to our [TS]

01:27:12   three sponsors this week [TS]

01:27:14   hover automatic and away and we will see [TS]

01:27:16   you next week [TS]

01:27:20   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:27:24   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:27:28   it was accidental John any racer Margo [TS]

01:27:34   in kc wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

01:27:36   accidental was accidental and you can [TS]

01:27:42   find the show know today [TS]

01:27:44   DP m and if twitter follow them [TS]

01:27:52   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:27:57   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our c.c [TS]

01:28:06   recuse is [TS]

01:28:18   alright so we have lots of options for [TS]

01:28:22   the post-show here we could talk about [TS]

01:28:23   Tesla you talk about project titan we [TS]

01:28:25   can talk about time is a show topic or [TS]

01:28:28   save that for ya [TS]

01:28:29   yes here to show especially since don't [TS]

01:28:31   seem to be going anywhere when you talk [TS]

01:28:32   about the debate when you talk about my [TS]

01:28:34   camera stuff i actually didn't want to [TS]

01:28:35   throw in one quick thing about the [TS]

01:28:36   camera stuff while we have while we're [TS]

01:28:39   talking about the mac laptops I've [TS]

01:28:42   mentioned in the past that I I pretty [TS]

01:28:44   much always go 15 inch and and i usually [TS]

01:28:46   don't regret that choice and I I i have [TS]

01:28:48   often or greater when I've gone smaller [TS]

01:28:50   i am considering whatever the new [TS]

01:28:52   13-inch air ends up being this time [TS]

01:28:54   around because one thing I noticed when [TS]

01:28:56   i got when i started using this new [TS]

01:28:58   canon camera that mentioned last week so [TS]

01:29:02   my my sony camera that i might be [TS]

01:29:04   replacing or at least you know using [TS]

01:29:06   less is 42 megapixels and I shoot raw so [TS]

01:29:10   I can you know for lots of good reasons [TS]

01:29:11   and and so processing 42 megapixel raw [TS]

01:29:16   files just crushes computers like it [TS]

01:29:19   it's there so bad that is so slow [TS]

01:29:22   processing those files even doing simple [TS]

01:29:24   things like just rendering a a preview [TS]

01:29:26   is a very sluggish operation and this is [TS]

01:29:29   true between both lightroom and apple [TS]

01:29:31   photos so it isn't just like a lightroom [TS]

01:29:32   problem by comparison so that's 42 [TS]

01:29:35   megapixels the cannon is 30 which is [TS]

01:29:37   still a very high resolution picture but [TS]

01:29:40   for whatever reason I assume it's [TS]

01:29:42   because many image processing operations [TS]

01:29:44   are not linear in complexity that [TS]

01:29:46   probably like you know exponential or at [TS]

01:29:48   least you know worse than linear because [TS]

01:29:51   they have to operate on like pixels that [TS]

01:29:52   are around other pixels and everything [TS]

01:29:53   so if for whatever reason processing of [TS]

01:29:56   a 13-megapixel picture is not only [TS]

01:30:00   faster than a 42 megapixel picture but [TS]

01:30:02   faster by more than you'd expect by the [TS]

01:30:06   you know thirty-three percent fewer [TS]

01:30:08   pixels like it's more than that much [TS]

01:30:09   faster [TS]

01:30:10   it's a lot faster maybe they can and the [TS]

01:30:13   drivers for the 5dr just better optimize [TS]

01:30:16   don't mean like that whatever the the [TS]

01:30:17   camera raw blah blah thing that knows [TS]

01:30:20   like we have the sensors are all data [TS]

01:30:21   here's how i should interpret it [TS]

01:30:23   I can imagine that being very mature for [TS]

01:30:26   the 5d assuming that doesn't change from [TS]

01:30:28   the mark three to the mark [TS]

01:30:29   override on off the cameras and other [TS]

01:30:30   changes that means for any more than it [TS]

01:30:33   does have this weird to pick something [TS]

01:30:34   about her that enabled it's basically a [TS]

01:30:36   i would imagine you know it adobe [TS]

01:30:40   probably optimizes as much as possible [TS]

01:30:42   for canon SLR especially for the big [TS]

01:30:45   ones because like everything about like [TS]

01:30:46   who is using lightroom and making one of [TS]

01:30:49   the most popular cameras using adobe [TS]

01:30:51   lightroom I guarantee you the canon 5d [TS]

01:30:54   series is going to be pretty high on [TS]

01:30:55   that list like it's it's any cannon [TS]

01:30:58   general is going to be very high on that [TS]

01:31:00   list so you're probably right to some [TS]

01:31:03   degree however i do still think that [TS]

01:31:05   many common image processing operations [TS]

01:31:08   are worse than linear in in time [TS]

01:31:11   complexity as the number of pixels grows [TS]

01:31:14   but anyway so because of that because of [TS]

01:31:17   this being like way way faster process [TS]

01:31:19   images i actually might be able to step [TS]

01:31:22   down reasonably to the 13-inch so i [TS]

01:31:24   actually might try that this cycle [TS]

01:31:26   I don't know what about xcode was the [TS]

01:31:28   whole reason like oh and i'm on vacation [TS]

01:31:29   i need to do some work stuff i hate not [TS]

01:31:31   having the tiny screen when i try to [TS]

01:31:33   fire Xcode and stuff it's mostly that i [TS]

01:31:36   like basically i hardly ever actually do [TS]

01:31:39   that with my laptop like and I also I I [TS]

01:31:42   thought for a while I i thought that [TS]

01:31:45   that I could bring only my new 9.7 inch [TS]

01:31:49   iPad pro on trips for I was not going to [TS]

01:31:52   get any work done and figuring that like [TS]

01:31:54   worst-case scenario let's say I have [TS]

01:31:56   some major server problems and need to [TS]

01:31:58   do a whole bunch of like logging into [TS]

01:32:00   servers changing stuff resetting stuff [TS]

01:32:01   we're setting up newspapers whatever it [TS]

01:32:03   is i need terminals for that and on the [TS]

01:32:05   ipad there is a wonderful i panicked [TS]

01:32:07   called prompt which is a pretty good [TS]

01:32:08   terminal app and so I thought for a [TS]

01:32:12   while like oh this will be wonderful i [TS]

01:32:14   can just bring this on a trip and if the [TS]

01:32:16   unthinkable happens i need to watch the [TS]

01:32:17   server work i really i can just use [TS]

01:32:20   prompt i can log into my servers there [TS]

01:32:21   with with my little external smart [TS]

01:32:23   keyboard from from the ipad it'll be [TS]

01:32:25   fine [TS]

01:32:26   this week actually do that because this [TS]

01:32:30   past week i did i had to upgrade all my [TS]

01:32:34   ssh keys from the old DSA format to the [TS]

01:32:38   less old our essay format [TS]

01:32:40   and you know increase everything because [TS]

01:32:42   basically Sierra does not allow you to [TS]

01:32:43   log into that modification doesn't want [TS]

01:32:46   to login with the SATs and yes there's [TS]

01:32:48   some various things you could try it is [TS]

01:32:50   like configuration options you can you [TS]

01:32:51   can do to fix that but I couldn't find [TS]

01:32:54   any of them at the moment are let me [TS]

01:32:56   just go to my iPad because I know I know [TS]

01:32:58   prompt can still log in with his old [TS]

01:33:00   keys and had already had my key honest [TS]

01:33:01   that greatly perfect i'll use promise [TS]

01:33:03   i'll log into my old server then I'll [TS]

01:33:05   add my new keys to it and it was great i [TS]

01:33:07   got to do wonderful things like use the [TS]

01:33:08   new shared clipboard feature so I could [TS]

01:33:11   like copy my keys on my mac and then [TS]

01:33:14   paste them into prompt and you know into [TS]

01:33:16   a server window add to the authorized [TS]

01:33:18   keys file so wonderful things there was [TS]

01:33:20   it was wonderful [TS]

01:33:21   however I learned during that process [TS]

01:33:23   that using the ipad and and that [TS]

01:33:26   keyboard and and not like not a real not [TS]

01:33:30   like a full-blown terminal app just like [TS]

01:33:31   this kind of iOS if I turn left even [TS]

01:33:33   though as terminal apps go for I for iOS [TS]

01:33:36   prompt is great but it is nothing [TS]

01:33:38   compared to having a whole box terminals [TS]

01:33:40   and a real keyboard on my mac like it's [TS]

01:33:42   not even close and I decided then and [TS]

01:33:44   there like if I actually everything to [TS]

01:33:46   do like major server work on this this [TS]

01:33:49   would not be a fun experience I would [TS]

01:33:50   really regret it and I would wish for a [TS]

01:33:52   mac and and because and and on trips to [TS]

01:33:55   like there's a great discussion on [TS]

01:33:57   upgrade this week where Jason snow and [TS]

01:33:59   micro were talking about this and kind [TS]

01:34:01   of discussing like what they bring on [TS]

01:34:03   trips because both of them are very [TS]

01:34:04   heavy ipad users now and and and they [TS]

01:34:08   both mostly just use max now for things [TS]

01:34:11   like media production tasks like podcast [TS]

01:34:13   and video editing that are just still [TS]

01:34:15   done better on the mac even though they [TS]

01:34:16   both attempt to do it on ipads more more [TS]

01:34:18   Jason and wanted to Jason said which I [TS]

01:34:21   thought was very apt about trying to use [TS]

01:34:23   the ipad for you know quote productivity [TS]

01:34:25   or making your only traveling device one [TS]

01:34:28   of the things is like with the ipad you [TS]

01:34:30   often just like hit a wall just like [TS]

01:34:32   something that just can't do and [TS]

01:34:34   sometimes you can like download an app [TS]

01:34:36   is a certain work for you some kind of [TS]

01:34:37   big workaround but sometimes you just [TS]

01:34:39   can't like sometimes the answers you [TS]

01:34:41   just can't do that really on onlive head [TS]

01:34:43   or or whatever and and so the idea of me [TS]

01:34:47   ever bringing an ipad only on a trip now [TS]

01:34:50   has gotten a lot that you know as I've [TS]

01:34:52   as I've used ipad [TS]

01:34:53   morning I've tried to do more precious [TS]

01:34:54   things on it i have realize more and [TS]

01:34:56   more that this is not a device for me to [TS]

01:34:58   be proactive with like other people can [TS]

01:35:00   do it good for them is not for me it [TS]

01:35:02   really does not fit both the kind of [TS]

01:35:04   work I do the kinds of needs i sometimes [TS]

01:35:07   have a time traveling and just the way I [TS]

01:35:09   like to work they just it is not for me [TS]

01:35:10   so I really want something small that I [TS]

01:35:13   can travel with and the macbook one [TS]

01:35:16   obviously is the way to go for [TS]

01:35:18   optimizing for that but that's just like [TS]

01:35:20   too far in the other direction and that [TS]

01:35:21   would make me miserable every time I had [TS]

01:35:23   to use I really hate the keyboard it [TS]

01:35:24   really doesn't have enough power for me [TS]

01:35:26   etc the macbook pro is great but huge [TS]

01:35:30   and so I i do Iike I do kind of want to [TS]

01:35:34   bring it places less because of how big [TS]

01:35:36   it is so that's why I'm kind of thinking [TS]

01:35:39   maybe i'll try the 13-inch this year [TS]

01:35:41   because i don't often need expert on the [TS]

01:35:44   go for the few times i do I could you [TS]

01:35:48   know i'd be just fine on automatic air I [TS]

01:35:51   I don't before that I would have [TS]

01:35:52   instapaper so like I've done it before I [TS]

01:35:55   know I can do it a lot of people do it [TS]

01:35:56   every day it's not like it's unheard of [TS]

01:35:58   as long as it's right now Casey I'm not [TS]

01:36:01   gonna do is I'm not ready to admit it [TS]

01:36:04   but anyway so that's why I'm kind of [TS]

01:36:08   thinking about that this time and you [TS]

01:36:10   know ask me again in six months when I [TS]

01:36:12   say oh god I should have gotten the 15 [TS]

01:36:14   but we'll see and we don't know anything [TS]

01:36:16   about these yes so 15 could be so [TS]

01:36:18   compelling [TS]

01:36:19   I might just get it anyway or or the [TS]

01:36:21   13-inch might might be the star of the [TS]

01:36:23   show or 13 could be really mean I could [TS]

01:36:26   be wrong be the retina air might not [TS]

01:36:29   exist and then you know the 13-inch [TS]

01:36:32   macbook pro is an option but it's you [TS]

01:36:34   know that's so close to the 15 in size [TS]

01:36:36   and weight that kind of magical 15 at [TS]

01:36:38   that point so i don't know we'll see [TS]

01:36:39   what happens but I just I figured it was [TS]

01:36:41   an interesting waffle you know Marcus [TS]

01:36:43   waffling segment here interesting as i [TS]

01:36:45   was considering that after the [TS]

01:36:46   unexpected reason that processing the [TS]

01:36:48   files from this new camera is so [TS]

01:36:49   ridiculously much faster than processing [TS]

01:36:51   method from the previous one had a [TS]

01:36:53   keyboard for ipad not that it'll make [TS]

01:36:55   the terminal as good as it doesn't [TS]

01:36:56   matter [TS]

01:36:57   but I lot of my frustration is like also [TS]

01:36:59   the keyboard takes up half your screen [TS]

01:37:01   no no I i have the Apple smart keyboard [TS]

01:37:03   oh and even then you thought it wasn't [TS]

01:37:05   uh what was an inferior experience other [TS]

01:37:07   than the fact that you can have multiple [TS]

01:37:08   windows and like moving around [TS]

01:37:09   everything I mean part of it is the [TS]

01:37:11   Apple smart keyboard isn't a very good [TS]

01:37:12   keyboard and so there's things like [TS]

01:37:14   there's no escape key which when using [TS]

01:37:16   them as kind of annoying really been [TS]

01:37:18   doing a lot of terminal work it's kind [TS]

01:37:20   of annoying actually not and there's one [TS]

01:37:21   right on screen i just had to keep [TS]

01:37:22   hitting but it's annoying isn't there is [TS]

01:37:24   no escape key on the big if you have the [TS]

01:37:26   12 inch ipad / also notice this keep you [TS]

01:37:29   like you I don't know about that one but [TS]

01:37:30   on the 9.7 smart keyboard there's no [TS]

01:37:32   escape key and so that's that's annoying [TS]

01:37:35   there's a couple of there like missing [TS]

01:37:36   missing keys that are kind of annoying [TS]

01:37:37   to have also one thing i found i don't [TS]

01:37:40   know if this is a problem with prompt or [TS]

01:37:42   the keyboard but I i would very often [TS]

01:37:46   get keystrokes that that would arrive in [TS]

01:37:50   the terminal in the wrong order that I [TS]

01:37:52   type them which is infuriating like it's [TS]

01:37:55   like it was very very difficult i assume [TS]

01:37:59   that may be prompted handling latency [TS]

01:38:01   correctly in that case or something or [TS]

01:38:02   there's some problem between the [TS]

01:38:03   keyboard and the ipad and prompt and the [TS]

01:38:05   terminally somewhere on the line [TS]

01:38:07   keystrokes were actually getting jumbled [TS]

01:38:09   and if you type anything too quickly and [TS]

01:38:11   that sucks that something like that is [TS]

01:38:14   not acceptable at all for terminal work [TS]

01:38:17   so and also just you know what the [TS]

01:38:19   complexity of of ipad multitasking you [TS]

01:38:22   know not being you know being a lot more [TS]

01:38:24   primitive than you can imagine if you [TS]

01:38:26   want multiple windows open and stuff [TS]

01:38:27   like that so it's just like it's the [TS]

01:38:29   kind of thing like in an emergency you [TS]

01:38:31   could do simple things on it but i [TS]

01:38:34   really would not want to and I would [TS]

01:38:36   much rather take out a mac and do it [TS]

01:38:38   right and do it there but also gonna I [TS]

01:38:41   don't think of buying anything after the [TS]

01:38:43   apple event like Marco I guess you're in [TS]

01:38:45   the market for a laptop it sounds like [TS]

01:38:46   button anywhere else [TS]

01:38:48   actually I i do want their pods I i [TS]

01:38:51   don't know i guess i don't know if i'm [TS]

01:38:53   going to end up being able to wear them [TS]

01:38:55   comfort wise but I really do want to try [TS]

01:38:57   them for their most likely incredible [TS]

01:39:00   convenience the attempt to be able to [TS]

01:39:02   have as a mission before I able to have [TS]

01:39:04   headphones that I could literally put in [TS]

01:39:06   this like large tic-tac shaped box in my [TS]

01:39:09   pocket and carry them [TS]

01:39:10   somewhere without having anything in [TS]

01:39:12   larger pockets or around my neck or a [TS]

01:39:14   bag like that is incredibly compelling [TS]

01:39:16   for me so if i can do that at all [TS]

01:39:19   I i want them and comfort wise I i have [TS]

01:39:23   low expectations I i hope i can wear [TS]

01:39:25   them at all i don't want them to be [TS]

01:39:26   great i just hoping wear them at all i [TS]

01:39:28   do expect them to be very annoying in [TS]

01:39:30   the lack of controls on them but i'm i'm [TS]

01:39:34   hoping maybe that I can overcome that or [TS]

01:39:36   just you know tolerate it when im using [TS]

01:39:38   them or you know start using the apple [TS]

01:39:40   watch when i'm out walking my dog or [TS]

01:39:42   something like that [TS]

01:39:43   yeah i'm not going to buy air pods [TS]

01:39:45   immediately after the event but I think [TS]

01:39:48   they're going on my holiday list because [TS]

01:39:49   I'd really like to try a pair and I [TS]

01:39:52   think they'll come in handy from time to [TS]

01:39:54   time even if i don't use them regularly [TS]

01:39:55   but I don't plan on buying any new [TS]

01:40:00   hardware outside of potentially air pods [TS]

01:40:03   eventually based on the event [TS]

01:40:06   what about you John so my current plan [TS]

01:40:08   is about six months from now after work [TS]

01:40:12   has gone through all their current [TS]

01:40:14   inventory of macbook pros that they hand [TS]

01:40:16   out to people i'm going to finally [TS]

01:40:18   replace my mac at work and replace it [TS]

01:40:20   with one of the new macbook pros which I [TS]

01:40:22   hope will be guaranteed to get at that [TS]

01:40:24   point [TS]

01:40:25   wow that i have i have the same mac that [TS]

01:40:28   I got the day I started my job seven or [TS]

01:40:31   so years ago 2009 Mac Pro has never been [TS]

01:40:35   upgraded our current upgrade cycle at [TS]

01:40:37   work I forget what it is but I think [TS]

01:40:38   it's really sure it's like 18 months or [TS]

01:40:39   something you can get in your computer [TS]

01:40:40   or maybe it's two years i remember [TS]

01:40:42   anyway I'm kind of over do it seven or [TS]

01:40:46   eight years with with my computer so [TS]

01:40:48   they're not going to get me an imac [TS]

01:40:51   they're not everyone gets laptops like I [TS]

01:40:53   don't think that's even a choice and i [TS]

01:40:55   don't think i can swing it by convincing [TS]

01:40:56   them that i need to i wouldn't want a [TS]

01:40:58   mac pro obviously at this point and I [TS]

01:41:00   don't think I given to them about 25 the [TS]

01:41:02   imax i'm going to end up getting a [TS]

01:41:03   laptop and the best laptop i can get a [TS]

01:41:05   15 inch pro but i do not want one of the [TS]

01:41:07   current 15-inch pros for obvious reasons [TS]

01:41:10   i want the new one so when the new ones [TS]

01:41:11   are announced the clock starts ticking [TS]

01:41:13   on to when is it safe for me at work to [TS]

01:41:15   ask for a new computer that be able to [TS]

01:41:18   get one of the new 15 inches because i [TS]

01:41:20   don't want as for the engineers to give [TS]

01:41:22   me an old one [TS]

01:41:23   it's just a whole big thing so there's a [TS]

01:41:25   timer that will start on the [TS]

01:41:26   twenty-seventh most likely but no [TS]

01:41:28   immediate action when I will probably [TS]

01:41:30   look at the airports like I'm still [TS]

01:41:32   planning to upgrade my iphone still [TS]

01:41:33   haven't been to the apple store to pick [TS]

01:41:35   out a color but eventually that will [TS]

01:41:37   happen and i'm almost certain i'm going [TS]

01:41:39   to get the IP their earpods just to try [TS]

01:41:41   them airports whatever called it's not [TS]

01:41:44   making rhyming product names Apple i'm [TS]

01:41:48   almost guaranteed together because i [TS]

01:41:49   like the current your part of things and [TS]

01:41:51   I wanted a wireless thing so that's [TS]

01:41:52   probably gonna happen [TS]