The Accidental Tech Podcast

190: The Girl Who Never Came Over


00:00:00   oh dear miss the beginning of the story [TS]

00:00:02   it was really funny [TS]

00:00:04   you missed it yeah was it was the [TS]

00:00:05   funniest thing ever and you missed it [TS]

00:00:06   because your skype isn't updated I'm [TS]

00:00:11   told from half of the internet I've [TS]

00:00:14   measured it is exactly half [TS]

00:00:16   wow that there is a reduce motion option [TS]

00:00:19   and beta 2 don't use their reduce option [TS]

00:00:22   invaded hammered already in motion [TS]

00:00:24   option beta 2 i'm told it works i'm told [TS]

00:00:27   it works the way john wants it to work [TS]

00:00:29   so if you follow along i have a little [TS]

00:00:33   bit of cash i will it didn't you get [TS]

00:00:35   like one or five dollars one dollar so [TS]

00:00:37   here that this is my one dollar and now [TS]

00:00:41   listeners i will take this box of [TS]

00:00:44   envelopes and i will extract that was [TS]

00:00:48   not nearly as loud as I hoped it would [TS]

00:00:49   be [TS]

00:00:49   I will extract one envelope and i will [TS]

00:00:51   place the staller instead envelope that [TS]

00:00:55   and I will address it to mr. John [TS]

00:00:58   siracusa pain and my hindquarters one [TS]

00:01:01   two three main street somewhere outside [TS]

00:01:03   boston massachusetts and i will send it [TS]

00:01:06   along that work because John you are [TS]

00:01:08   correct in our gentlemen's bet that's [TS]

00:01:11   where we bet one American dollar you [TS]

00:01:13   have proved victorious and from [TS]

00:01:15   everything i am told i have not [TS]

00:01:16   witnessed this myself so I'm going on [TS]

00:01:17   faith but I i am told that your reduce [TS]

00:01:20   motion plus super ridiculous motion [TS]

00:01:24   messages is a thing so congratulations [TS]

00:01:26   sir i was gonna say you could wait until [TS]

00:01:28   it ships because who knows they could [TS]

00:01:30   put before the update [TS]

00:01:31   yeah but yeah i'm going to say most [TS]

00:01:34   likely like if they've got this far [TS]

00:01:36   even if they don't ship in this update [TS]

00:01:37   it will be the next one or the one after [TS]

00:01:39   indeed yeah I'm kind of a try not to let [TS]

00:01:42   this this newfound power go to my head [TS]

00:01:45   but I was feel like that I should [TS]

00:01:47   perhaps exercise the magic the magical [TS]

00:01:51   phrasing if i can remember the magic [TS]

00:01:52   words that I said I should try something [TS]

00:01:53   like talking about how they have an [TS]

00:01:56   updated the mac pro in a really long [TS]

00:01:57   time and say this cannot stand and then [TS]

00:02:00   see what happens but John i'll bet you a [TS]

00:02:02   dollar they don't update the mac [TS]

00:02:04   products [TS]

00:02:05   no no I think I don't think it was the [TS]

00:02:07   bedding I think it was the the indignity [TS]

00:02:09   then and I'm I i said this cannot stand [TS]

00:02:14   I seem to recall saying something really [TS]

00:02:16   pops like that you know that funny all [TS]

00:02:20   kidding aside the funny thing about this [TS]

00:02:22   whole argument was I listened to the [TS]

00:02:24   last hour and fifteen episodes [TS]

00:02:26   irreconcilable differences where you [TS]

00:02:27   talked about this and listening to you [TS]

00:02:29   and Merlin talk about it i actually [TS]

00:02:32   think I was on your side [TS]

00:02:33   don't know what was so different about [TS]

00:02:35   the way you described it then in the way [TS]

00:02:37   described it now or we get when on this [TS]

00:02:39   show I don't know if I was in a [TS]

00:02:40   punchline Marco is an instigator [TS]

00:02:43   I think I was instigating more than him [TS]

00:02:45   on this one although you are correct [TS]

00:02:46   Marco is in fact an instigator but [TS]

00:02:48   anyway my defense I I was kind of not [TS]

00:02:50   arguing against John position of like [TS]

00:02:52   wanting this wanting this feature really [TS]

00:02:56   i was i was more kind of exploring and [TS]

00:02:58   poking me like hey you know why do you [TS]

00:03:00   think that wants to get it does poking [TS]

00:03:02   yeah but it was like an inflammatory [TS]

00:03:05   matter i mean like me I guess I've you [TS]

00:03:08   almost every one of these little [TS]

00:03:10   accessibility additions that were added [TS]

00:03:12   like post ios7 I've you almost all of [TS]

00:03:15   them as just design failures like if [TS]

00:03:18   like if the system wasn't so incredibly [TS]

00:03:20   heavy with unnecessary motion animations [TS]

00:03:22   this option would need to be there just [TS]

00:03:24   like it wasn't before iOS 7 nobody was [TS]

00:03:26   complaining about motion sickness before [TS]

00:03:27   iOS 7 and then that came out and rather [TS]

00:03:30   than fix the design you know they they [TS]

00:03:32   have to add these options just like you [TS]

00:03:34   know the text was too thin and rather [TS]

00:03:35   than fix the text they just made full [TS]

00:03:37   text option button didn't like buttons [TS]

00:03:38   anymore and rather than make buttons [TS]

00:03:40   like buttons again they just made an [TS]

00:03:42   option so like it it's these are all [TS]

00:03:44   kinds of papering over design flaws [TS]

00:03:46   really or poor design choices so i'm i'm [TS]

00:03:49   with you in the sense that you know a [TS]

00:03:51   obviously anybody who who need these for [TS]

00:03:53   what most people would would consider [TS]

00:03:56   accessibility reason you know that's [TS]

00:03:57   kind of a broad definition but you know [TS]

00:04:00   more power to it's great that we had his [TS]

00:04:01   options but be I think we shouldn't even [TS]

00:04:04   need these options because the system [TS]

00:04:06   should be designed in a way to be more [TS]

00:04:08   inclusive and usable to begin with and [TS]

00:04:10   the fact that it keeps going away from [TS]

00:04:13   that is kind of a design flaw in my [TS]

00:04:15   opinion but yeah it was funny listening [TS]

00:04:17   to reconcile differences because i had [TS]

00:04:18   been [TS]

00:04:19   flip a couple episodes behind when when [TS]

00:04:22   you and I were getting into a John and [TS]

00:04:24   then I caught up and I was listening to [TS]

00:04:27   on the rectus and I was like well [TS]

00:04:28   actually that makes a lot more sense and [TS]

00:04:30   i wish i could I should have taken notes [TS]

00:04:32   or something and tried to pinpoint what [TS]

00:04:34   about your description made more sense [TS]

00:04:36   to me then but I remember leaving that [TS]

00:04:38   thinking well I think I'm on his side [TS]

00:04:41   that's weird just coming to peer [TS]

00:04:43   pressure because i had someone on the [TS]

00:04:45   show agree with me see her to people who [TS]

00:04:46   may be the same way you like the ground [TS]

00:04:48   is doing and I'm swayed by this court at [TS]

00:04:51   first that was the yeah yeah [TS]

00:04:53   Merlin point out this week that was the [TS]

00:04:55   first episode then I talked about it on [TS]

00:04:56   ATP is just because of the release [TS]

00:04:58   schedules are different soon i think i [TS]

00:04:59   was also less worked up with a but in [TS]

00:05:01   general on our show when you to both not [TS]

00:05:04   only disagree with me but seemed to [TS]

00:05:05   think it was what i was saying was [TS]

00:05:06   ridiculous i couldn't believe that you [TS]

00:05:08   didn't see how this was like just an [TS]

00:05:10   incredible gap like this but this cannot [TS]

00:05:14   stand I said it and I'll say it again [TS]

00:05:15   like it just it just seemed like I think [TS]

00:05:17   that's why I was willing to do the one [TS]

00:05:18   dollar bet I mean you know me i'm not a [TS]

00:05:19   big like gambler right but you seem like [TS]

00:05:23   you really you know I first one was not [TS]

00:05:27   a big deal but it's just like they just [TS]

00:05:28   they just have to change they just have [TS]

00:05:29   to like it's not just like well maybe [TS]

00:05:31   it's those we just seemed like it had to [TS]

00:05:32   be done and they're doing it so good and [TS]

00:05:35   i wish i had the beta now but not to [TS]

00:05:37   actually install the beta so hopefully [TS]

00:05:38   the point release will be out soon and [TS]

00:05:41   i've been using my phone with reduce [TS]

00:05:43   motion still off every time I want to [TS]

00:05:44   send effect i go to settings turn it [TS]

00:05:46   back on sunday affect her off [TS]

00:05:48   Wow right so John tell me about com [TS]

00:05:52   people're this is one more data point in [TS]

00:05:54   the ongoing discussion of the iphone 7 [TS]

00:05:58   pluses fake background blur thing that [TS]

00:06:02   it does last show we talked about the [TS]

00:06:06   confirmation that it was not taking like [TS]

00:06:08   a fuzzy picture from one camera and [TS]

00:06:09   combining with another one but was [TS]

00:06:11   instead of taking the background finding [TS]

00:06:14   it and learning with a particular [TS]

00:06:15   algorithm and [TS]

00:06:16   about that that didn't quite look like [TS]

00:06:18   the same way an optical blurring looks [TS]

00:06:21   almost will be able to tell and blah [TS]

00:06:23   blah [TS]

00:06:23   anyway I'm kind of people running with a [TS]

00:06:26   blog post exploring the various ways you [TS]

00:06:29   can blur things to try to make them look [TS]

00:06:31   like an out-of-focus picture from a lens [TS]

00:06:34   so we'll link to that blog postings [TS]

00:06:36   that's a stupid passes last name [TS]

00:06:39   measurements [TS]

00:06:40   yeah I think so he's a filmmaker and [TS]

00:06:43   photographer so he's know some stuff [TS]

00:06:44   about this and we had someone named Ben [TS]

00:06:47   Gunn's burger right into say that he has [TS]

00:06:50   worked on tools that do this for [TS]

00:06:52   computer animation like that make the [TS]

00:06:54   birth blur the background that wasn't [TS]

00:06:55   actually blurring the camera but they [TS]

00:06:57   want to make it look like it was and he [TS]

00:06:59   says that to do it properly is very CPU [TS]

00:07:00   intensive that they have situations [TS]

00:07:02   would take multiple minutes per frame to [TS]

00:07:04   calculate the blur so obviously that's a [TS]

00:07:06   non-starter if it takes multiple minutes [TS]

00:07:08   on what I assume is pretty beefy [TS]

00:07:10   hardware in the visual effects world to [TS]

00:07:11   do the blur the quorum court right way [TS]

00:07:13   if Apple's gotta do it and they do a [TS]

00:07:15   real-time right country like a preview [TS]

00:07:17   of the blur [TS]

00:07:17   yeah yeah Cameron think so anyway [TS]

00:07:20   multiple minutes per frame is not going [TS]

00:07:22   to happen there so Apple maybe currently [TS]

00:07:24   constrained not only by the fact that [TS]

00:07:26   they're faking it for the fact they have [TS]

00:07:27   to fake it and and do it in real time in [TS]

00:07:30   the the the a-10 is fast but it's not [TS]

00:07:33   fast enough to take an operation that [TS]

00:07:34   takes multiple minutes [TS]

00:07:36   nevermind it's also multiple minutes on [TS]

00:07:37   the well I don't know what the [TS]

00:07:38   resolution is but how many megapixels is [TS]

00:07:40   the 12 27 camera 8 12 12 [TS]

00:07:44   yeah that is that higher res than like [TS]

00:07:46   4k film probably harder than 2k right [TS]

00:07:48   it's higher than porque no yeah 4k is [TS]

00:07:52   just over 8 megapixels anyway i hope [TS]

00:07:54   what is that doing it [TS]

00:07:56   faking it the right way is is expensive [TS]

00:07:59   so that would explain a little bit of [TS]

00:08:01   the crappiness also has some more funny [TS]

00:08:03   pictures of the blur messing up were [TS]

00:08:05   posted various places wasn't it [TS]

00:08:06   somewhere in the slack we saw a picture [TS]

00:08:08   of a person shot from like the knees up [TS]

00:08:11   standing in front of something with his [TS]

00:08:13   arms that aside and the background was [TS]

00:08:15   blurred but the gap between his arms and [TS]

00:08:17   his body the cameras didn't find it so [TS]

00:08:20   that the background was pin-sharp and [TS]

00:08:22   you look between his arms and his body [TS]

00:08:23   but the whole rest of the background [TS]

00:08:24   blur looks really weird that was Stephen [TS]

00:08:27   hack it wasn't it it was his brother and [TS]

00:08:29   yeah imagine your arms [TS]

00:08:30   write your side but there's a gap [TS]

00:08:31   between your arms and your body and in a [TS]

00:08:34   glance especially not like blown up [TS]

00:08:36   full-size I didn't notice the thing [TS]

00:08:38   wrong with it but then as I looked [TS]

00:08:41   closer and I think because somebody [TS]

00:08:42   pointed out it turns out that like John [TS]

00:08:45   said the area between his brother's arm [TS]

00:08:48   and his torso was super sharp whereas [TS]

00:08:52   all the area around his brother was [TS]

00:08:54   blurred like you would have expected so [TS]

00:08:57   it was kind of funny to see and I mean [TS]

00:08:59   this is to be expected in to be fair [TS]

00:09:01   it'sit's portrait mode not entire body [TS]

00:09:05   mode and so you know it's not really [TS]

00:09:07   being used as designed but it was still [TS]

00:09:10   a funny thing to see in a great example [TS]

00:09:11   of where it kind of falls on its face [TS]

00:09:13   today anyway [TS]

00:09:14   alright moving on let's talk about the [TS]

00:09:18   ceramic iphone eat there's been a though [TS]

00:09:22   that maybe not in the last week or two [TS]

00:09:24   but right when the apple watch edition [TS]

00:09:26   came out there was a lot of talk of well [TS]

00:09:28   if this works for a watch [TS]

00:09:31   why wouldn't this work for a phone and I [TS]

00:09:34   think there's a lot of different [TS]

00:09:35   conversations about this and a lot of [TS]

00:09:36   different ways this can go and I think I [TS]

00:09:38   for one am very concerned about drop [TS]

00:09:41   ability not to say these phones are [TS]

00:09:43   terrible droppable as it is but you know [TS]

00:09:45   it would a ceramic case like shatter how [TS]

00:09:48   would that work so so where do we see [TS]

00:09:51   this going for a potential ceramic [TS]

00:09:52   iphone eat well I mean it depends like [TS]

00:09:55   you know it's like some of the possible [TS]

00:09:58   reasons why they would do this [TS]

00:09:59   well there was this one big corp post [TS]

00:10:01   that I think kind of got this started [TS]

00:10:03   from from somebody who knows what [TS]

00:10:04   material sciences much more than we do [TS]

00:10:06   so forgive me for the details here [TS]

00:10:08   I mean ceramic it has a lot of [TS]

00:10:09   advantages / aluminum one of them is [TS]

00:10:12   that it's radio transparent so that gets [TS]

00:10:14   rid of a lot of antenna problems [TS]

00:10:16   it's also it's incredibly you know the [TS]

00:10:18   kind of ceramics that you use in a phone [TS]

00:10:20   we it can be incredibly scratch [TS]

00:10:23   resistant and fairly strong you can [TS]

00:10:25   shatter it it's kinda like sapphire like [TS]

00:10:28   you can shatter with very strong impact [TS]

00:10:30   but it takes a pretty pretty strong [TS]

00:10:33   impact to do that [TS]

00:10:34   anything less than that is basically [TS]

00:10:35   invulnerable to ceramic could be very [TS]

00:10:37   very tough and you know that you can [TS]

00:10:40   mold in different shades and you know it [TS]

00:10:41   means there's lots of like manufacturing [TS]

00:10:43   detail [TS]

00:10:44   of how you would do it and apple has [TS]

00:10:45   some interesting patterns in that area [TS]

00:10:46   but that they appear not have really [TS]

00:10:48   used for anything yet they probably [TS]

00:10:49   could do it i don't think any of us know [TS]

00:10:52   enough about manufacturing to know any [TS]

00:10:53   details beyond that of like that they [TS]

00:10:55   could do it for durability that lately [TS]

00:10:57   we also heard a rumor recently that they [TS]

00:11:00   are that they're going back to the steel [TS]

00:11:02   band around the outside design like what [TS]

00:11:04   we had with the 4 and 4s it you know [TS]

00:11:06   they have glass on both sides glass has [TS]

00:11:08   many of the same properties of ceramic [TS]

00:11:09   as you know you can make it radio [TS]

00:11:10   transparent and you can make glossy and [TS]

00:11:12   you can make a pretty scratch-resistant [TS]

00:11:13   obviously there's some durability [TS]

00:11:16   questions there but I don't I mean I [TS]

00:11:20   think Apple solution right now to phone [TS]

00:11:22   durability to the impacts two drops and [TS]

00:11:25   everything and their solution right now [TS]

00:11:26   is cases and applecare like that's [TS]

00:11:29   that's basically it's like trying to [TS]

00:11:31   drop your phone if you're the kind of [TS]

00:11:32   person dropped your phone frequently get [TS]

00:11:34   a really strong case for it and if you [TS]

00:11:36   break it [TS]

00:11:36   hopefully you bought apple care because [TS]

00:11:38   we're gonna make that easy for you so [TS]

00:11:39   I'm honestly not sure that they really [TS]

00:11:41   need to do that much more work in the [TS]

00:11:44   durability department if it's going to [TS]

00:11:45   you know make the phone hard [TS]

00:11:47   manufacturer or less desirable or ugly [TS]

00:11:49   or like you know gross and plasticky [TS]

00:11:51   like I don't know and do you think like [TS]

00:11:53   cases and applecare are enough it's a [TS]

00:11:56   hack [TS]

00:11:57   I think they do need to work on [TS]

00:11:58   durability is just like like you said [TS]

00:12:00   they are not willing to make the [TS]

00:12:02   compromises that would require I mean [TS]

00:12:04   they can make the phone incredibly [TS]

00:12:05   durable they just made the whole [TS]

00:12:06   freaking thing out of plastic but [TS]

00:12:07   plastic feels gross as a screen like we [TS]

00:12:09   all want to move our hands across the [TS]

00:12:11   glass screen because it feels better and [TS]

00:12:13   so they keep trying to make the glass [TS]

00:12:14   tougher but there's only so much they [TS]

00:12:16   can do and they spent a long time moving [TS]

00:12:20   away from glass like they did before in [TS]

00:12:22   the forest there like we're taking a [TS]

00:12:23   break from that for a while because the [TS]

00:12:25   four in the forest had two sides that [TS]

00:12:27   could break the screen to break in the [TS]

00:12:28   front and the back you know and two [TS]

00:12:30   particles chatter at least one that was [TS]

00:12:32   all the loom designs the 5256 success in [TS]

00:12:34   the seven that's a lot of phones the [TS]

00:12:36   front could shatter backs never [TS]

00:12:38   shattered bend a little sometimes didn't [TS]

00:12:40   shatter scratch didn't shatter right so [TS]

00:12:42   the rumor for the next iphone is going [TS]

00:12:45   to be all glass as you said i have they [TS]

00:12:48   worked on the shattering thing did they [TS]

00:12:49   have stronger or more shadow resistant [TS]

00:12:52   glass i'm not sure what one of the [TS]

00:12:55   property of glass that's potentially [TS]

00:12:56   problematic [TS]

00:12:57   is that it's not a particularly good [TS]

00:12:59   conductor of heat compared to say [TS]

00:13:01   aluminum and so if you've got a hot [TS]

00:13:03   little system-on-a-chip in there you [TS]

00:13:06   have to get the heat out somewhere maybe [TS]

00:13:08   it'll be radiating out of the the steel [TS]

00:13:10   bands or something I don't know but it's [TS]

00:13:13   tougher to go through glass that is an [TS]

00:13:14   aluminum back the ceramics were talking [TS]

00:13:16   about for the iphones as is difficult to [TS]

00:13:18   talk about this and you can read that [TS]

00:13:20   corner post that we can find a link for [TS]

00:13:21   it [TS]

00:13:22   what do you mean by ceramics around [TS]

00:13:23   because not just one thing especially [TS]

00:13:25   with all the apples patents with like [TS]

00:13:26   well ceramic mix with a bunch of other [TS]

00:13:28   stuff with like fibers between it or [TS]

00:13:31   reinforcing materials or polymers or [TS]

00:13:33   laminates or other things to try to make [TS]

00:13:35   it not be quite so much like ceramic [TS]

00:13:37   ceramic has I think that the main [TS]

00:13:39   problems running has that it is heavy if [TS]

00:13:41   you make it thick enough to be sturdy if [TS]

00:13:43   you make it light then it's thin and it [TS]

00:13:45   has like glass catastrophic failure mode [TS]

00:13:48   really good right up to the point where [TS]

00:13:50   it totally goes kablooey [TS]

00:13:53   anyway we see the watch we see that that [TS]

00:13:55   they've done the watching ceramic the [TS]

00:13:57   watches and you an easier situation [TS]

00:13:59   because people aren't dropping their [TS]

00:14:01   watches for the most part but they are [TS]

00:14:02   buying them into things but it's smaller [TS]

00:14:04   and it's able to be more sturdy because [TS]

00:14:06   it doesn't have any long continuous flat [TS]

00:14:08   areas like the back of the phone anyway [TS]

00:14:11   I think a ceramic iphone is totally [TS]

00:14:13   plausible that as a thing that apple [TS]

00:14:15   will experiment with I don't know if [TS]

00:14:19   they're gonna get to the point where [TS]

00:14:21   where they can ship something that there [TS]

00:14:24   are so many materials remember we heard [TS]

00:14:25   all the rumors about carbon fiber for so [TS]

00:14:27   many years both about Max and about iOS [TS]

00:14:29   devices so yeah have because another [TS]

00:14:31   situation where all that carbon fiber is [TS]

00:14:33   you know even better than plastic very [TS]

00:14:36   light very strong has its failure modes [TS]

00:14:40   are probably not as good as aluminum but [TS]

00:14:43   not as bad as ceramic or glass but i [TS]

00:14:45   think a lot of these decisions come down [TS]

00:14:46   to how much does it cost to manufacture [TS]

00:14:47   this can we manufacture consistently and [TS]

00:14:50   how ugly is it right because again i [TS]

00:14:53   think like what's stopping apple for [TS]

00:14:55   making the back of all their phones [TS]

00:14:56   plastic I like it's like it's it's not [TS]

00:15:00   gonna say stubbornness but it's it's a [TS]

00:15:03   desire not to ship a product that has [TS]

00:15:05   plastic on the back because it's seen as [TS]

00:15:06   and feels that the beat you know it [TS]

00:15:08   because it is so much plastic back phone [TS]

00:15:09   radio transparent [TS]

00:15:11   maybe not good free conduction alright [TS]

00:15:12   very light very sturdy really good [TS]

00:15:16   failure modes right maybe a little bit [TS]

00:15:18   scratchy but like it talk to someone who [TS]

00:15:19   has a 5 see if it holds up pretty well [TS]

00:15:22   it's just not as sort of premium [TS]

00:15:24   experience as glass or aluminum or [TS]

00:15:27   ceramic would be and so I think they [TS]

00:15:29   just keep looking for new materials [TS]

00:15:31   looking for different here is the same [TS]

00:15:32   reason you got glass in the front [TS]

00:15:33   plastic on the front sure be so started [TS]

00:15:36   can you imagine a complete a plastic [TS]

00:15:37   screen iphone with plastic on the back [TS]

00:15:40   and lightweight sturdy drop it no [TS]

00:15:42   problem but it would not feel like an [TS]

00:15:44   iphone so that's there that's their [TS]

00:15:46   struggle so I'm gonna look out for [TS]

00:15:48   surround but i'm pretty sure the next [TS]

00:15:49   ones that I'm i buy all the classrooms [TS]

00:15:52   just because the 4 and 4s design was the [TS]

00:15:55   one that wanted to make at least one [TS]

00:15:56   that that enough Johnny specifically but [TS]

00:15:59   it was one of the early designs for like [TS]

00:16:00   that's what the first iphone was [TS]

00:16:01   supposed to be and I couldn't pull it [TS]

00:16:03   off and it took them a really long time [TS]

00:16:04   till they could pull it off today did [TS]

00:16:05   pull it off everyone drop the front and [TS]

00:16:07   shattered front and back and said our [TS]

00:16:08   item is an upper state break from that [TS]

00:16:11   take another run at it in how many years [TS]

00:16:13   was it [TS]

00:16:14   I counted off before 556 success 75 [TS]

00:16:16   years they waited and so now after five [TS]

00:16:19   years of non glass ones are going to try [TS]

00:16:20   it again and I'm ready to see how much [TS]

00:16:22   they've improved it respond to this week [TS]

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00:17:53   internet connection here it will take [TS]

00:17:54   the files as quickly as i'm willing to [TS]

00:17:56   send them and I can't say that about [TS]

00:17:57   other backup products I've tried I've [TS]

00:17:59   also backed up something between me and [TS]

00:18:02   my wife's computer i think we better do [TS]

00:18:03   something like six terabytes of data to [TS]

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00:18:32   show one more thing on the ceramic ax [TS]

00:18:38   phone before we start talking about [TS]

00:18:40   cases internet was so helpful person in [TS]

00:18:42   the chat room has posted a link to the [TS]

00:18:45   little booklet that comes if you buy the [TS]

00:18:48   ceramic apple watch edition that talks [TS]

00:18:50   about their process [TS]

00:18:52   I'm I'm not following all of it is I'm [TS]

00:18:53   trying to read it here on the air but it [TS]

00:18:55   seems like it describes a process [TS]

00:18:56   whereby they take a ceramic thing and [TS]

00:18:59   bake it and then machine it after its [TS]

00:19:02   baked to make it into the watch case [TS]

00:19:04   thing I don't know we'll put a link in [TS]

00:19:05   the shadows people can read it and see [TS]

00:19:06   for themselves but there is a reference [TS]

00:19:08   to baking it and how much it shrinks [TS]

00:19:10   during baking and then the reference to [TS]

00:19:11   machining and polishing and so anyway [TS]

00:19:13   this watch for all the people who are [TS]

00:19:16   true believers in the future surround [TS]

00:19:19   the iphone rumor this watch looks to all [TS]

00:19:20   the world like the original macbook air [TS]

00:19:22   which was the trial run of the unibody [TS]

00:19:24   construction that would eventually go [TS]

00:19:25   across the entire product line so if [TS]

00:19:28   this watch thing works out and they [TS]

00:19:30   master this process by selling a small [TS]

00:19:32   number of these very expensive watches [TS]

00:19:34   to people then maybe we'll be four [TS]

00:19:37   follow up phone after the all-glass one [TS]

00:19:39   but you know if this is their trial run [TS]

00:19:41   it's too late for this to be the [TS]

00:19:42   manufacturing technique tapped for next [TS]

00:19:45   year's iphone which already has to be [TS]

00:19:48   much farther along well and also liked [TS]

00:19:50   it manufacturing a this one fairly high [TS]

00:19:55   end fairly you know small market Apple [TS]

00:19:58   watch model Adams material is incredibly [TS]

00:20:01   different for making the back of every [TS]

00:20:03   iphone with it like this the difference [TS]

00:20:05   in scale there's immense like I don't [TS]

00:20:07   even think this is a good enough tests [TS]

00:20:09   have to make all the Apple watches have [TS]

00:20:11   ceramic to have it be even close to the [TS]

00:20:13   right kind of test but obviously not [TS]

00:20:14   gonna do that yet so we'll say you know [TS]

00:20:17   also building off of this i saw a video [TS]

00:20:20   that was linked to buy a friend sharon [TS]

00:20:23   jones that is entitled the iphone 7 i've [TS]

00:20:27   been waiting for in the whole video is [TS]

00:20:29   two-and-a-half minutes and if you want [TS]

00:20:32   to see it in its full glory just pause [TS]

00:20:34   us for two-and-a-half minutes and go [TS]

00:20:36   watch you don't need audio on the on the [TS]

00:20:37   video there for listening to me now [TS]

00:20:39   presumably that's not a problem [TS]

00:20:41   so what happens is this is this person [TS]

00:20:43   takes an iphone 7 and like saws off all [TS]

00:20:46   the sides of it such that they're all [TS]

00:20:48   flat instead of a dance and down [TS]

00:20:50   whatever I want this I want this a lot [TS]

00:20:53   because this matte black iphone 7 that i [TS]

00:20:56   have i love it i really really do the [TS]

00:20:58   more you use it the more i like it and i [TS]

00:21:00   think aesthetically it's my favorite [TS]

00:21:01   iphone yet but this thing is adorned bar [TS]

00:21:03   soap and i would love I mean obviously [TS]

00:21:07   I've never handled this particular [TS]

00:21:09   gentleman's phone but it stands to [TS]

00:21:12   reason it would be much easier to grip [TS]

00:21:13   with the flat sides i would love to have [TS]

00:21:16   an iphone like this but in black now not [TS]

00:21:19   silver [TS]

00:21:19   so yeah I i want this please can I have [TS]

00:21:22   one [TS]

00:21:23   I think you only want because you [TS]

00:21:24   haven't seen it up close yeah it if you [TS]

00:21:27   notice the video was kind of quick to [TS]

00:21:28   show the phone once it was all done in [TS]

00:21:30   this dream s gotta be a mess because [TS]

00:21:32   this is not a precision operation it's [TS]

00:21:34   got to look like a phone that has been [TS]

00:21:36   just messed up [TS]

00:21:38   yeah I didn't it didn't look good if you [TS]

00:21:40   try to look closely at the shape look [TS]

00:21:42   good but the finish did not right that's [TS]

00:21:44   the thing like if this was officially [TS]

00:21:46   done i think would be pretty impressive [TS]

00:21:48   so [TS]

00:21:48   oh yeah I think that would be neat [TS]

00:21:51   alright so i talked to my phone many [TS]

00:21:54   past episodes and my wife's going on a [TS]

00:21:58   cruise the Mediterranean cruise and she [TS]

00:22:01   was gonna bring the fancy camera and [TS]

00:22:02   lenses and talk about that anyway she [TS]

00:22:04   went she's back she brought the camera [TS]

00:22:06   back in one piece did not drop it into [TS]

00:22:07   the ocean took a bunch of pictures with [TS]

00:22:09   it and when I was going through her [TS]

00:22:11   pictures getting them sorted into the [TS]

00:22:13   photos library after return i noticed a [TS]

00:22:16   bunch of them and she noticed too she [TS]

00:22:18   said just wait there's something [TS]

00:22:19   something in a bunch of the pictures [TS]

00:22:21   you'll see it soon a dark line that [TS]

00:22:25   appears in a bunch of pictures and the [TS]

00:22:27   line kind of look semi circular some [TS]

00:22:30   like is that like a shadow of a lens or [TS]

00:22:32   something but then I noticed some other [TS]

00:22:34   ones the line is not perfectly curved [TS]

00:22:38   like a circle sometimes it changes the [TS]

00:22:40   angle and I'm like well okay lens [TS]

00:22:42   aberration wouldn't do that because the [TS]

00:22:43   lenses are all around or you know [TS]

00:22:45   spiritual they're not that oddly shaped [TS]

00:22:47   like I men sometimes the curve in the [TS]

00:22:49   opposite direction and it would move [TS]

00:22:50   around and so i posted on Twitter can [TS]

00:22:52   anyone tell me what's causing the [TS]

00:22:54   vertical curve shadow lines in these [TS]

00:22:55   pictures and posted a bunch of sample [TS]

00:22:57   pictures and then everyone commented [TS]

00:22:59   about where the pictures are from and [TS]

00:23:01   whether they've been there or not but in [TS]

00:23:02   addition to that bunch of people did [TS]

00:23:06   have guesses as to what it might be my [TS]

00:23:11   guess was that it was maybe something on [TS]

00:23:12   the lens because it was in so many [TS]

00:23:14   pictures so many different environments [TS]

00:23:16   I didn't think it was what it looks like [TS]

00:23:18   which is a hair in front of the lens or [TS]

00:23:20   something because you know you get your [TS]

00:23:21   hair is under control wouldn't [TS]

00:23:22   constantly in front lens the lens zoom [TS]

00:23:24   lens so it's pretty far away I inspected [TS]

00:23:27   the lenses and there's nothing on them [TS]

00:23:29   I knew there was stuff on my sensor I [TS]

00:23:33   could see there like that you can see [TS]

00:23:34   the same pictures some dots and I could [TS]

00:23:36   see on the sense that there was some [TS]

00:23:37   dust they need to get rid of but I'm [TS]

00:23:39   like what the hell is this line and a [TS]

00:23:42   lot of people have theories and one [TS]

00:23:44   theory was exactly correct this is the [TS]

00:23:45   magic of a crowdsourcing the magic of [TS]

00:23:47   Twitter this theory was it is a hair the [TS]

00:23:51   hair is not on the sensor there's not [TS]

00:23:53   the lens there is not in between [TS]

00:23:54   elements in lens would rather the hair [TS]

00:23:56   is caught in the channel that the [TS]

00:23:58   shutter curtain moves in and when the [TS]

00:24:01   shutter curtain comes down it snags or [TS]

00:24:04   otherwise grabs the hair and the channel [TS]

00:24:05   and briefly flicks it in front of the [TS]

00:24:07   sensor as it moves up and down and it [TS]

00:24:10   appears and only appears within pictures [TS]

00:24:13   with a very small aperture because with [TS]

00:24:14   wide aperture lights coming in for too [TS]

00:24:16   many angles and it just eliminates all [TS]

00:24:17   behind you don't see it so you see it in [TS]

00:24:19   pictures of the sky or another you know [TS]

00:24:22   thing with lots of light where the [TS]

00:24:23   aperture has to squeeze down really [TS]

00:24:25   small and then most of the incident [TS]

00:24:26   light rays are traveling in the same [TS]

00:24:27   direction then you get a shadow this one [TS]

00:24:29   little hair and the way I found it after [TS]

00:24:32   having series looked in the channel and [TS]

00:24:33   way down in the corner of the channel [TS]

00:24:36   just kind of peeking out like an angle [TS]

00:24:40   like cutting off the corner of like the [TS]

00:24:41   educators the challengers the bottom was [TS]

00:24:43   little tiny hair and so when they're [TS]

00:24:45   SuperDuper carefully with a pair of [TS]

00:24:47   tweezers and all the dad knows about [TS]

00:24:49   like a centimeter and a half long very [TS]

00:24:53   fond of non-human doesn't look like a [TS]

00:24:56   human look like a hair from like a [TS]

00:24:57   rabbit or a squirrel or something really [TS]

00:25:00   small and I got that out of there so I [TS]

00:25:02   was like thank God because some of the [TS]

00:25:03   other theories like oh there's something [TS]

00:25:05   wrong with your shutter and it's [TS]

00:25:06   dragging something on the thing or [TS]

00:25:07   whatever my or you just have to bring a [TS]

00:25:09   camera back i was so happy to be able to [TS]

00:25:11   actually extract a hairline yes this is [TS]

00:25:13   the thing and then you know of course i [TS]

00:25:16   had to go through the rest of the [TS]

00:25:18   processing over the desk so I brought [TS]

00:25:19   one of those sensor cleaning kits and [TS]

00:25:21   the way you do this is you take a [TS]

00:25:23   picture of a blue sky and intentionally [TS]

00:25:26   crank the aperture down to a very tiny [TS]

00:25:27   opening oh are you just put an auto if [TS]

00:25:30   the sky is bright enough and you take a [TS]

00:25:31   picture of what you think it's blank [TS]

00:25:33   blue sky and then you bring it back into [TS]

00:25:34   your favorite photo application you [TS]

00:25:35   filled with the contrast and see if you [TS]

00:25:37   can see anything looks like a dot and if [TS]

00:25:40   you do see something like that they're [TS]

00:25:41   still dust on it and so I use the sensor [TS]

00:25:44   cleaning kit which is a little scary you [TS]

00:25:45   know like the people you can damage [TS]

00:25:48   essentially be super careful but like I [TS]

00:25:49   bought a thing specifically for that [TS]

00:25:51   purpose they like square on a stick kind [TS]

00:25:53   of thing now yeah there's like [TS]

00:25:55   disposable single you swabs yep yep [TS]

00:25:57   specifically size for the sensors you [TS]

00:26:00   just just one swipe only and then you [TS]

00:26:01   throw them in the garbage is incredibly [TS]

00:26:03   wasteful but whatever [TS]

00:26:04   yep and have used two of them one with a [TS]

00:26:06   little spritz of the stuff on and [TS]

00:26:07   without the spirits of the stuff anyway [TS]

00:26:09   and a little blower to get most i hope [TS]

00:26:10   to just use the bloggers I don't touch [TS]

00:26:12   get all your little talk it already got [TS]

00:26:14   all this stuff yeah but the blower [TS]

00:26:16   didn't dislodge a couple of stubborn [TS]

00:26:18   things so i use the thing took a bunch [TS]

00:26:20   of pictures the sky now my sensors clean [TS]

00:26:22   which always maybe think that camera [TS]

00:26:26   manufacturers could really really help [TS]

00:26:28   with this problem but just putting [TS]

00:26:30   something I mean I like I've never had a [TS]

00:26:32   DSLR but i assume that the mirror [TS]

00:26:33   doesn't actually seal up and i know it [TS]

00:26:36   covers the sensor but doesn't actually [TS]

00:26:37   like cover doesn't keep dust out right [TS]

00:26:39   now alright so they they should and be [TS]

00:26:43   mirrorless cameras should have a little [TS]

00:26:46   door kind of like the shutter but not [TS]

00:26:47   the shutter that closes before you can [TS]

00:26:49   take the lens off like why not do that [TS]

00:26:52   you know I mean you stop to think the [TS]

00:26:54   sensor sometimes you still have to have [TS]

00:26:55   a mechanism like you do wanna said SLR [TS]

00:26:57   to flip the lines up so you can clean [TS]

00:26:58   the sensor right but why expose it to [TS]

00:27:01   the air at all when you're changing [TS]

00:27:03   lenses just put it on maybe there's [TS]

00:27:04   enough room for a door whatever not the [TS]

00:27:06   shutter the shoulder is the shutter fine [TS]

00:27:08   I'm just has to be high speed and fancy [TS]

00:27:09   and so is over there's a plain old [TS]

00:27:11   boring reasonably sealed door that [TS]

00:27:14   closes and covers the sensor when you [TS]

00:27:16   change lenses that would be a good idea [TS]

00:27:18   camera manufacturers anyway [TS]

00:27:20   moral of the story is i did not [TS]

00:27:22   correctly convey to my wife exactly how [TS]

00:27:27   careful you have to be when changing [TS]

00:27:30   lanes is not that she even changed on [TS]

00:27:31   she just changed it once and the all [TS]

00:27:33   takes once for a little just like every [TS]

00:27:35   time I did it on my long island vacation [TS]

00:27:37   was like the lens can only be off the [TS]

00:27:40   camera for shortest possible time I'd [TS]

00:27:42   have liked staged and setup and you [TS]

00:27:44   never be have it upwards and just like [TS]

00:27:45   lens off the cap on lens capital units [TS]

00:27:48   like it was like trying to defuse a bomb [TS]

00:27:50   and again never do it in a still [TS]

00:27:53   environment with still air never point [TS]

00:27:55   the lens or the camera like just it's [TS]

00:27:59   you know it's it's nerve-racking and you [TS]

00:28:02   know she spent a lot of time in her [TS]

00:28:04   vacation with this hair traveling up and [TS]

00:28:06   down the channel on the shutter we're [TS]

00:28:08   just kind of disappointing it's I mean [TS]

00:28:10   it's it didn't ruin all her pictures but [TS]

00:28:12   enough of them have a big dark line [TS]

00:28:15   that's kinda disappointing [TS]

00:28:16   luckily almost everything indoors [TS]

00:28:18   doesn't have this problem because the [TS]

00:28:19   the apertures too big [TS]

00:28:21   that stinks i'm sorry to hear that but [TS]

00:28:23   we're problem and you know I don't have [TS]

00:28:25   the person's name hand [TS]

00:28:26   but and god only knows this is true or [TS]

00:28:28   not but I'm taking them at face value [TS]

00:28:30   somebody told me that are the micro [TS]

00:28:31   four-thirds cameras which is what i have [TS]

00:28:33   they all have optical image [TS]

00:28:35   stabilization or a lot of them if not [TS]

00:28:36   all of them on the body rather than the [TS]

00:28:39   lens and they were saying that this [TS]

00:28:42   person was saying that when you turn the [TS]

00:28:44   camera on it will actually use the OIS [TS]

00:28:46   to like shake off any dust that might be [TS]

00:28:49   on the lens i have no idea if that's [TS]

00:28:51   true or not what a cool idea even if it [TS]

00:28:53   isn't true [TS]

00:28:53   it's a pretty common feature it is it [TS]

00:28:55   doesn't actually work perfectly but it [TS]

00:28:57   like are exactly like what like are the [TS]

00:28:59   5d mark two is that we had didn't have [TS]

00:29:01   stabilization but just had some kind of [TS]

00:29:02   like sensor like vibrator thing that [TS]

00:29:04   would like try to buzz off the dust [TS]

00:29:05   every time you turn the camera off and [TS]

00:29:07   and so to have that just constantly [TS]

00:29:08   going like every time a camera turns off [TS]

00:29:09   we did occasionally have to blow [TS]

00:29:12   something up the sensor with the five [TS]

00:29:13   days but very rarely that I think in the [TS]

00:29:16   like eight years we use them i think [TS]

00:29:19   maybe three or four times total whereas [TS]

00:29:22   with with my sony when I gotta last year [TS]

00:29:24   literally the first week I had it I got [TS]

00:29:27   dust of the sensor and similar similar [TS]

00:29:29   story just not less severe like we were [TS]

00:29:31   it was last year with the beach house [TS]

00:29:32   lots of my pictures had this one big [TS]

00:29:34   spot and eventually took the land office [TS]

00:29:36   and spotted on the land on the sensor I [TS]

00:29:38   was on vacation so I couldn't really i [TS]

00:29:40   didn't have any of the cleaning so I [TS]

00:29:42   just kinda tolerated it just ended it [TS]

00:29:44   out is it wasn't too bad to edit out of [TS]

00:29:45   everything but but yeah that was the [TS]

00:29:48   camera was like a week old habit [TS]

00:29:51   immediately and and yeah these you don't [TS]

00:29:53   realize how good those like [TS]

00:29:54   automatically vibrate the the center of [TS]

00:29:56   things are until you have a camera that [TS]

00:29:58   doesn't do it or doesn't have it but the [TS]

00:30:00   sonys it it has that feature but just [TS]

00:30:03   that it doesn't do it every time it does [TS]

00:30:04   it only on demand and it only partially [TS]

00:30:06   works but now i think that that feature [TS]

00:30:09   could help a little bit but in my case [TS]

00:30:11   first holding on the hair [TS]

00:30:13   there's not even on the sensors you like [TS]

00:30:14   a sensor all you want it's not going to [TS]

00:30:16   help that would have been there and for [TS]

00:30:17   the dust the pieces that I had to [TS]

00:30:20   eventually use the mechanical method of [TS]

00:30:22   actually swapping them off the blower [TS]

00:30:25   the little you know hurricane blower you [TS]

00:30:28   know shoot various concentrating that [TS]

00:30:30   couldn't even remove them like they were [TS]

00:30:32   on their good wasn't just like instant [TS]

00:30:34   dust that happened to float on there [TS]

00:30:35   they were so wedged on there that [TS]

00:30:38   very force of old very concentrated [TS]

00:30:41   stream there cannot dislodge them [TS]

00:30:42   actually had to swipe them away so I [TS]

00:30:44   have a little faith in a sensor shake [TS]

00:30:46   would have taken them off to ya but [TS]

00:30:48   again a door with some kind of [TS]

00:30:51   reasonable ceiling [TS]

00:30:52   who better than nothing would go a long [TS]

00:30:54   way towards making me a changing lenses [TS]

00:30:56   less nerve-racking [TS]

00:30:58   now i do the same way you do and I'm [TS]

00:30:59   sure marcos the same as well where [TS]

00:31:00   everything stage ready to go the cameras [TS]

00:31:02   always upside down [TS]

00:31:04   I'm not as intent on it being still air [TS]

00:31:06   but you know we do we can and the whole [TS]

00:31:10   thought of this happening to me is [TS]

00:31:11   terrifying so I'm very impressed you [TS]

00:31:14   were able to get this done without [TS]

00:31:15   destroying lens or the the sensor which [TS]

00:31:17   is what I surely somehow would have done [TS]

00:31:19   knowing the ad poured water on it [TS]

00:31:21   somehow i don't know how you could like [TS]

00:31:24   people say oh it's so Delta you have to [TS]

00:31:25   be careful like it looks pretty sturdy [TS]

00:31:27   down there I mean you're swapping it [TS]

00:31:28   when I swab the cross it felt like a [TS]

00:31:31   smooth surface but the swab it's not [TS]

00:31:34   like it has little snake like I don't [TS]

00:31:35   understand how you go about breaking and [TS]

00:31:37   I suppose you could scratch it in some [TS]

00:31:38   way but only thing I'm touching it with [TS]

00:31:40   these microfiber swabi things that I [TS]

00:31:42   assume are safe and yeah I hope you [TS]

00:31:45   don't have to do that again but like [TS]

00:31:46   taking pictures an empty blue sky and [TS]

00:31:49   checking for any little splotches on it [TS]

00:31:51   you'll see them like you don't have to [TS]

00:31:53   be an expert to be especially if you [TS]

00:31:54   start feeling with the contrast control [TS]

00:31:56   you will find the spots that are there [TS]

00:31:58   because I swapped it and I can see where [TS]

00:32:00   the spot used to be was still a little [TS]

00:32:03   you know i had actually remove the [TS]

00:32:04   material I couldn't see with my eyeballs [TS]

00:32:06   anymore but on the sensor gets a little [TS]

00:32:08   spot and that's why I had to use like [TS]

00:32:09   the cleaning stuff and then that got rid [TS]

00:32:12   of it for good now just messing with the [TS]

00:32:14   controls trying to find any little speck [TS]

00:32:16   and I was like oh that's jpeg [TS]

00:32:17   compression nevermind to Rose I guess [TS]

00:32:19   anyway i'm pretty sure i didn't destroy [TS]

00:32:20   my camera still seems to work no more [TS]

00:32:23   hair no more spots right so i have a [TS]

00:32:27   brief tale of woe and a plea for help on [TS]

00:32:31   my work computer [TS]

00:32:32   I typically use a pair of headphones [TS]

00:32:35   bluetooth headphones i bought literally [TS]

00:32:38   five years ago [TS]

00:32:39   i bought it and they're perfect in every [TS]

00:32:41   way as we've always heard yeah about [TS]

00:32:43   that so i bought them on august 15 2011 [TS]

00:32:46   and their Arctic sound p 3 11 service [TS]

00:32:50   have espoused the numerous times because [TS]

00:32:52   while they are not perfect they [TS]

00:32:53   accomplish everything satisfactorily [TS]

00:32:56   inside of that satisfactory way so they [TS]

00:33:00   are sufficient you know is how much [TS]

00:33:01   horsepower does it does the rolls-royce [TS]

00:33:03   have sufficient amount of horsepower i [TS]

00:33:07   upgraded to sierra on-line on my work [TS]

00:33:09   Mac and suddenly they are not sufficient [TS]

00:33:13   anymore for whatever reason and i don't [TS]

00:33:16   know why they sound like a hugely hugely [TS]

00:33:21   hugely compressed and I ran into this [TS]

00:33:25   once years ago and it ended up that [TS]

00:33:27   there was like a bit value or something [TS]

00:33:28   like that you could change in the [TS]

00:33:30   bluetooth Explorer app which you have to [TS]

00:33:32   get via xcode tools now and that fix my [TS]

00:33:36   problem like years ago i've noticed that [TS]

00:33:38   when this first happened the symbols [TS]

00:33:40   were terrible and super compressed and [TS]

00:33:42   it was just awful and i was able to fix [TS]

00:33:43   it [TS]

00:33:44   try doing the same thing this time and [TS]

00:33:47   did make a difference so I unpair repair [TS]

00:33:51   I've done all sorts of things I haven't [TS]

00:33:55   tried again after having cleared my peer [TS]

00:33:57   am just for grins and giggles I've done [TS]

00:33:59   everything except that and I thought [TS]

00:34:02   well maybe just something weird is going [TS]

00:34:03   on there [TS]

00:34:04   their ancient headphones at this point I [TS]

00:34:06   let me just get a new set so i got the [TS]

00:34:09   equivalent set that's newer and so are [TS]

00:34:11   they came in today and they are also [TS]

00:34:14   Arctic sound but these are p 2 53 and we [TS]

00:34:17   will have links to these and show notes [TS]

00:34:18   and I a good news bad news good news is [TS]

00:34:21   they sound great [TS]

00:34:22   well as great as a thirty-dollar set up [TS]

00:34:25   bluetooth headphones can sound but every [TS]

00:34:28   time there's any audio playing of any [TS]

00:34:30   sort the right channel has a buzzing in [TS]

00:34:34   them which in the span of about 45 [TS]

00:34:38   seconds drove me absolutely crazy [TS]

00:34:40   it took that long yeah how did this [TS]

00:34:43   review possibly start out any positive [TS]

00:34:44   way [TS]

00:34:45   so I'm returning these headphones [TS]

00:34:48   because it did you know like hand on [TS]

00:34:49   heart i did not know this for some if [TS]

00:34:52   not all things you can return it [TS]

00:34:53   amazon for free yeah but usually you get [TS]

00:34:56   to meet her and shipping and the other [TS]

00:34:57   leaders like six bucks from your from [TS]

00:34:59   your return or something I was that what [TS]

00:35:01   it does okay because it according to [TS]

00:35:03   them they were like your shipping label [TS]

00:35:04   and I didn't come across compare how [TS]

00:35:06   much the cost of the item was versus how [TS]

00:35:09   much they were saying they're going to [TS]

00:35:10   refund me so maybe that's what it is but [TS]

00:35:12   anyway so it's it's super awesome day if [TS]

00:35:14   you ever returning amazon they make it [TS]

00:35:16   incredibly easy on you [TS]

00:35:17   yep so i am going to return them but [TS]

00:35:21   here's my predicament i want for better [TS]

00:35:23   or worse bluetooth headphones i [TS]

00:35:26   understand that not everyone wants them [TS]

00:35:28   i do i prefer bluetooth headphones and I [TS]

00:35:32   think the reason i prefer them is [TS]

00:35:33   because convenience is a bigger priority [TS]

00:35:35   to me than perfect sound fidelity well [TS]

00:35:38   then in that case just wait for the air [TS]

00:35:39   pods well so here's the thing i agree [TS]

00:35:43   that that's probably going to be the [TS]

00:35:45   best answer but they supposedly only run [TS]

00:35:47   for five hours before they need a charge [TS]

00:35:49   and I know that it will charged quickly [TS]

00:35:50   but I typically sit at my desk meetings [TS]

00:35:54   aside 488 behalf hours a day [TS]

00:35:57   these ancient headphones with their [TS]

00:35:59   five-year-old battery that I love so but [TS]

00:36:01   used to go like two two-and-a-half days [TS]

00:36:04   between charges easily and with meetings [TS]

00:36:07   during the day and whatnot so it's not [TS]

00:36:08   exactly an apples-to-apples comparison [TS]

00:36:10   but you get my point [TS]

00:36:12   I think the answer is going to be [TS]

00:36:13   getting pods but is there any and this [TS]

00:36:17   is kind of rhetorical kind of not [TS]

00:36:19   especially for You Marco is there any [TS]

00:36:21   set of bluetooth headphones that whether [TS]

00:36:24   or not they are perfect audio fidelity [TS]

00:36:27   because again i don't care for Marco's [TS]

00:36:30   purposes let's just assume i never [TS]

00:36:32   listen to music on them which is a [TS]

00:36:33   complete nutter life but let's just look [TS]

00:36:35   for your purposes if you are satisfied [TS]

00:36:37   with podcast fidelity that will probably [TS]

00:36:40   be sufficient for my music fidelity for [TS]

00:36:42   this use case [TS]

00:36:43   are there any headphones bluetooth [TS]

00:36:45   headphones that have batteries that [TS]

00:36:47   lasts about 10 hours let's say that [TS]

00:36:50   don't suck and here's the kicker though [TS]

00:36:53   that have a bar that goes behind the [TS]

00:36:58   back of your neck rather than over your [TS]

00:37:00   head why ladies and gentlemen because i [TS]

00:37:03   am weird in my hair kind of sticks up a [TS]

00:37:06   little bit and [TS]

00:37:06   oops and if i put a bar across the top [TS]

00:37:10   of my head 48 hours it all [TS]

00:37:13   it'll have like that imprint in my head [TS]

00:37:15   always which is not advisable [TS]

00:37:18   so all my ladies and gentlemen you could [TS]

00:37:21   have just said manatee yes actually that [TS]

00:37:24   was that was an easy why you don't want [TS]

00:37:26   to mess up your hair [TS]

00:37:27   that's why right that is absolutely hand [TS]

00:37:29   on heart that no argument absolutely [TS]

00:37:31   absolutely true there are some [TS]

00:37:32   advantages to both of us anyway [TS]

00:37:34   yeah haha so I i'm making fun of myself [TS]

00:37:38   but I really honestly am asking and [TS]

00:37:40   maybe we don't answer during the show [TS]

00:37:42   but I don't have anything against your [TS]

00:37:46   buds but i'd rather have an over here or [TS]

00:37:49   like the ones that I had kind of dangled [TS]

00:37:51   on your ear which I understand makes [TS]

00:37:53   most people crazy but for me I like it [TS]

00:37:56   works for me [TS]

00:37:57   so is it will put the links to the ones [TS]

00:37:59   I'm talking about in the show notes is [TS]

00:38:00   there any set of bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:38:03   that's even vaguely like this that is [TS]

00:38:05   not a total piece of garbage that I [TS]

00:38:08   would not have to charge in the middle [TS]

00:38:10   of the day if I have to charge him every [TS]

00:38:11   night [TS]

00:38:12   fine no big deal but I don't have to [TS]

00:38:14   charge the middle of the day I think [TS]

00:38:15   Marco you're absolutely right what's [TS]

00:38:17   gonna end up happening is I'm gonna [TS]

00:38:18   spend way more money than I want to and [TS]

00:38:19   I'm gonna get the earpods and i'll [TS]

00:38:20   probably love them and it will probably [TS]

00:38:22   be fine and I'll put them in the little [TS]

00:38:24   Tic Tac case during meetings i'll never [TS]

00:38:25   know the difference [TS]

00:38:26   I suspect that's going to be the winner [TS]

00:38:28   but is there any other option [TS]

00:38:31   preferably not buds but buds I would [TS]

00:38:34   maybe entertain is there anything else [TS]

00:38:36   you can think of that it doesn't go over [TS]

00:38:38   the head so I i'm going to fill you with [TS]

00:38:41   hope but ultimately provide no value [TS]

00:38:43   whatsoever haha so it [TS]

00:38:47   the problem is this is honestly i've [TS]

00:38:49   i've been considering just stopping [TS]

00:38:51   reviewing headphones because i know [TS]

00:38:52   because i want you to review the [TS]

00:38:54   bluetooth headphones now the bluetooth [TS]

00:38:55   is in vogue ish kind of here's the thing [TS]

00:38:58   so basically like you know right now [TS]

00:39:00   everyone keeps asking me you know what [TS]

00:39:01   they should get a bluetooth and [TS]

00:39:02   everything and it with bluetooth there [TS]

00:39:04   are so I mean the hip market has grown a [TS]

00:39:07   lot in the last couple years since i [TS]

00:39:08   since i started my big review his like [TS]

00:39:11   there's so many models now and people [TS]

00:39:14   have so many different needs and the [TS]

00:39:17   fact is like it takes a lot of time and [TS]

00:39:19   a lot of money [TS]

00:39:20   to buy or somehow acquire all these [TS]

00:39:24   headphones and test them properly a [TS]

00:39:26   useful way that's why like when the wire [TS]

00:39:28   cutter does that they have like a whole [TS]

00:39:30   team of people doing it takes a long [TS]

00:39:31   time and that's what they're there [TS]

00:39:32   full-time job is to work on stuff like [TS]

00:39:34   this and also the headphone market has [TS]

00:39:36   gotten had basically like well as beats [TS]

00:39:40   came around a few years ago it a lot of [TS]

00:39:43   people took notice of here's a place we [TS]

00:39:45   can make a lot of money so now there are [TS]

00:39:47   tons of headphone brands and tons of [TS]

00:39:51   like allegedly awesome new headphones [TS]

00:39:54   coming out on the market all the time [TS]

00:39:55   and many of them are very expensive many [TS]

00:39:58   of them are like you know four hundred [TS]

00:40:00   dollars and up basically which is you [TS]

00:40:02   know for for an audio file that's kind [TS]

00:40:04   of normal but for regular person is a [TS]

00:40:06   very expensive pair of headphones so [TS]

00:40:08   there are so many now that almost nobody [TS]

00:40:12   including the wire cutter actually [TS]

00:40:15   reviews a meaningful number of them to [TS]

00:40:18   be able to give you a a useful blanket [TS]

00:40:20   recommendation like if you read the wire [TS]

00:40:22   cutter they always go through and one of [TS]

00:40:24   the things that they'll spend a few [TS]

00:40:26   paragraphs doing is saying like here's [TS]

00:40:28   the ones we tested and here's a whole [TS]

00:40:29   bunch we didn't even test because you [TS]

00:40:31   know the reviews it look at an Amazon or [TS]

00:40:33   what you know whatever other reasons [TS]

00:40:34   they have because you you basically have [TS]

00:40:36   to rule out large swathes of what's out [TS]

00:40:38   there just to have her a possible number [TS]

00:40:40   to review and with bluetooth everything [TS]

00:40:43   is is even worse now because now there's [TS]

00:40:45   like even more factors that matter that [TS]

00:40:48   before you have to worry about as much [TS]

00:40:49   things like latency you know the the [TS]

00:40:52   weather you compared to multiple devices [TS]

00:40:54   or not whether whether it has decent [TS]

00:40:56   reception the phone whether it supports [TS]

00:40:58   different codecs that are now out there [TS]

00:40:59   and then like the useful things like how [TS]

00:41:02   you how you control with others buttons [TS]

00:41:04   on it or some kind of touch gesture [TS]

00:41:05   controls to control like pausing and [TS]

00:41:07   volume and stuff it is so complicated [TS]

00:41:09   now there are so many models from thirty [TS]

00:41:13   dollars to a thousand dollars [TS]

00:41:15   yep no reviewer can meaningfully try [TS]

00:41:18   good numbers here going to happen now [TS]

00:41:20   right now as I speak as people as they [TS]

00:41:22   are writing you emails telling you what [TS]

00:41:25   they bought and say these are the best [TS]

00:41:27   but all they can tell you is that's what [TS]

00:41:29   they bought because they probably have [TS]

00:41:31   tried between 0 and five other players [TS]

00:41:32   out of a market with hundreds [TS]

00:41:34   centuries there's really nothing that [TS]

00:41:36   most people can tell you that will be [TS]

00:41:38   very helpful even on amazon have the [TS]

00:41:41   reviews on Amazon these days are fake [TS]

00:41:43   they paid their their fraud like it's so [TS]

00:41:45   hard to find good information with the [TS]

00:41:47   kind of stuff so basically how do you [TS]

00:41:49   find the ones you have now was it just [TS]

00:41:51   you know browse online a bit look at [TS]

00:41:52   some reviews and just buy them yeah [TS]

00:41:54   pretty much [TS]

00:41:55   that's what you're gonna have to do [TS]

00:41:56   again like that's that when you're [TS]

00:41:57   buying headphones that's basically and [TS]

00:41:59   not to mention even if you find you find [TS]

00:42:02   a place that reviewed about your [TS]

00:42:03   headphones in a way that was useful to [TS]

00:42:04   you people have such widely different [TS]

00:42:07   tastes in headphones people have very [TS]

00:42:09   different preferences like the whole [TS]

00:42:10   list that i made disagreed substantially [TS]

00:42:13   a lot of times with the wire cutter and [TS]

00:42:15   places like that there are there are a [TS]

00:42:17   few big head reviews out there in the [TS]

00:42:19   world that I disagree strongly with and [TS]

00:42:21   somebody agrees and strong with and you [TS]

00:42:22   can never know like what you're gonna [TS]

00:42:24   find out there because it's so [TS]

00:42:25   subjective like there is no like people [TS]

00:42:28   that people always think that there's [TS]

00:42:29   like some idea of how headphones should [TS]

00:42:31   sound but there isn't one that everyone [TS]

00:42:33   agrees on either there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:42:35   of argument about that but basically [TS]

00:42:36   there is no such thing as like the the [TS]

00:42:39   best way a headphone should sound that's [TS]

00:42:41   why the agreed-upon basically no one to [TS]

00:42:44   tell you anything that is going to be [TS]

00:42:46   more useful than what you're going to [TS]

00:42:47   find by just searching places like [TS]

00:42:49   Amazon reading a few user reviews and [TS]

00:42:50   just picking one and if it sucks return [TS]

00:42:53   it [TS]

00:42:53   otherwise keep it until it dies so all [TS]

00:42:56   that being said this is probably a bad [TS]

00:42:58   time to invest in a pair bluetooth [TS]

00:43:00   headphones because the airport is aren't [TS]

00:43:02   out yet and even though i expect them to [TS]

00:43:05   sound really mediocre at best because [TS]

00:43:08   Apple has apple has not made a pair of [TS]

00:43:10   headphones that sounds good [TS]

00:43:12   including all the ones by beats they [TS]

00:43:14   have not making the sounds good [TS]

00:43:16   they can achieve practical they can [TS]

00:43:19   achieve you know good enough in for many [TS]

00:43:21   people for many roles and I mentioned [TS]

00:43:24   like I listened on my pair of of [TS]

00:43:27   Bluetooth sennheiser PX 210 bt's that [TS]

00:43:29   that sounds horrible that they have the [TS]

00:43:31   worst thing in the world but listen [TS]

00:43:33   because they're incredibly practical [TS]

00:43:34   that I think is going to be the appeal [TS]

00:43:36   of their pods that they are going to be [TS]

00:43:39   incredibly practical and nice to use [TS]

00:43:42   although i do have a very strong concern [TS]

00:43:45   about the the [TS]

00:43:47   real-world annoyance of not being able [TS]

00:43:50   to have like a clicker and volume [TS]

00:43:52   controls on them as we discussed [TS]

00:43:53   previously like to only have Siri or to [TS]

00:43:56   only be able to map the the tap on the [TS]

00:43:58   thing to like play pause and no other [TS]

00:44:00   commands that anything is going to be [TS]

00:44:02   annoying but that being said I think in [TS]

00:44:05   all there are other ways airports are [TS]

00:44:07   probably going to be pretty great if [TS]

00:44:09   what you're valuing is convenience over [TS]

00:44:12   sound quality which I which all jokes [TS]

00:44:14   aside that is absolutely what I am [TS]

00:44:16   valuing I for this use case i would much [TS]

00:44:19   rather have convenience over sound [TS]

00:44:21   quality now I have a really great set of [TS]

00:44:23   their dynamics that are listening to [TS]

00:44:25   right now I have a really great set of [TS]

00:44:26   open-air sennheisers that admittedly our [TS]

00:44:28   ancient but still sound phenomenal [TS]

00:44:29   they're so great i have a set of [TS]

00:44:31   ultimate ears in your earbuds that also [TS]

00:44:34   sounds great so I understand what good [TS]

00:44:38   had headphones sound like I get it it's [TS]

00:44:40   just for me this is not a time when I [TS]

00:44:43   where I am worrying about perfect audio [TS]

00:44:44   fidelity and I think to your point Marco [TS]

00:44:48   the answers either going to be the beats [TS]

00:44:50   x which is the kind of sporty ones that [TS]

00:44:53   it's too earbuds tied together by a loop [TS]

00:44:55   that goes behind your neck which is a [TS]

00:44:57   hundred fifty bucks or more likely if [TS]

00:44:59   I'm already in 450 well crap why not do [TS]

00:45:02   a hundred and sixty seventy whatever it [TS]

00:45:04   is for the air pods and i suspect that [TS]

00:45:07   even though i am sitting here tellin you [TS]

00:45:09   I'm worried about making it a whole day [TS]

00:45:10   at work I have enough meetings and in [TS]

00:45:12   general mucking about talking to people [TS]

00:45:15   during the day that I sure I can get [TS]

00:45:18   through the day with just a little bit [TS]

00:45:19   of charging in the case here and there [TS]

00:45:21   and Matt Bischoff and the chat asking [TS]

00:45:23   don't you go to lunch at any point and [TS]

00:45:25   sometimes yes but oftentimes I just [TS]

00:45:27   bring a sandwich and just eat at my desk [TS]

00:45:29   and so that's not it's not there's no [TS]

00:45:32   guaranteed time when I'm gonna get up [TS]

00:45:34   and be able to charge but i suspect that [TS]

00:45:36   I will be able to make it work with [TS]

00:45:39   their pods and for convenience that's [TS]

00:45:41   probably the best option that I have [TS]

00:45:44   but internet if you have a a really good [TS]

00:45:46   idea [TS]

00:45:48   preferably on or over here preferably [TS]

00:45:50   that doesn't go over the top of your [TS]

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00:47:51   we heard from a couple people who said [TS]

00:47:52   it wasn't for me and I recalled return [TS]

00:47:55   and it was so easy i want to recommend [TS]

00:47:56   this company anyway [TS]

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00:48:08   our show so Google had an event they [TS]

00:48:15   announced the google pixel phones [TS]

00:48:17   there's a pixel and pixel XL i believe [TS]

00:48:20   it is which are effectively the [TS]

00:48:22   equivalent of the iphone 7 iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:48:24   the phones look good i guess mean what [TS]

00:48:28   kind of iphone ish they look kind of [TS]

00:48:30   like somebody described the way iphone 6 [TS]

00:48:33   looks like over the phone to someone [TS]

00:48:36   else and then this is what came out [TS]

00:48:38   yeah that's a relatively fair [TS]

00:48:41   characterization I think it look they [TS]

00:48:43   look there is fairly iphone ish but the [TS]

00:48:47   one thing I will say is the back of them [TS]

00:48:48   are does that look rough because there's [TS]

00:48:51   like some areas that looks like it's [TS]

00:48:53   plastic some that looks like it's glass [TS]

00:48:55   and it's just wolfe no thank you [TS]

00:48:58   but generally speaking outside of that [TS]

00:49:00   they seem like they're good devices [TS]

00:49:02   there's no camera bump which they made a [TS]

00:49:04   snarky comment about into I don't really [TS]

00:49:06   blame them because the camera bump kind [TS]

00:49:07   of stinks well I mean to be fair like [TS]

00:49:09   they can be making snarky remarks about [TS]

00:49:12   good design when they're presenting that [TS]

00:49:14   is there from you know the I don't think [TS]

00:49:17   the design is bad with the exception of [TS]

00:49:19   the heck but I mean whatever it does [TS]

00:49:23   have a headphone jack which that of [TS]

00:49:24   course they were super snarky about [TS]

00:49:26   which I'm not surprised the kind of [TS]

00:49:27   disappointed because it would be really [TS]

00:49:29   neat if there was a unified front on [TS]

00:49:30   this issue but whatever [TS]

00:49:32   no optical image no no physical optical [TS]

00:49:35   image stabilization which I thought [TS]

00:49:38   there was when i was watching the [TS]

00:49:40   keynote but it turns out there was not [TS]

00:49:41   it's all in software which on the one [TS]

00:49:44   side i'm like half like they'll get that [TS]

00:49:46   right but then again I've seen the [TS]

00:49:48   google app that does the life that was [TS]

00:49:51   emotion stills i think they call it yet [TS]

00:49:53   which is the live photo stabilization [TS]

00:49:55   thing and by god that's the work of [TS]

00:49:58   magic so it's possible they'll get that [TS]

00:50:00   right [TS]

00:50:02   overall I mean it looks like it's decent [TS]

00:50:04   hardware I all told the presentation was [TS]

00:50:08   ok [TS]

00:50:10   it was apple ish in some good ways in [TS]

00:50:13   some bad ways way better than apple in [TS]

00:50:16   terms of diversity i do want to call [TS]

00:50:17   that out I i think they did a much [TS]

00:50:20   better job with that [TS]

00:50:21   that being said the birds the presenters [TS]

00:50:22   were kind of okay i mean i don't think [TS]

00:50:25   any of them were great and I mean that [TS]

00:50:27   Apple every Apple presenter is amazing [TS]

00:50:30   but i think by and large apple [TS]

00:50:32   presenters do a pretty darn good job and [TS]

00:50:34   even some first-time presenters like [TS]

00:50:36   this message on did an amazing job [TS]

00:50:38   so there's a high bar in that regard but [TS]

00:50:41   in all this is bad [TS]

00:50:43   the back is no good that the name of the [TS]

00:50:45   colors there's very silver quite black [TS]

00:50:48   and really blue seriously whatever [TS]

00:50:54   yeah I did I'd I can't even the prices [TS]

00:50:58   are the same as equivalent iphones which [TS]

00:51:01   is cool i mean i guess that means that [TS]

00:51:03   that's apparently the price to hit they [TS]

00:51:05   only come in 32 gigs and 128 gigs [TS]

00:51:08   there's no 256 gig option like you can [TS]

00:51:10   find on an iphone i come search for its [TS]

00:51:14   pretty orderable now i think its ships [TS]

00:51:16   in a couple of weeks I looks good but [TS]

00:51:20   the thing that was most impressive to me [TS]

00:51:22   about the entire presentation which is [TS]

00:51:24   both good and bad was any google photos [TS]

00:51:27   user which is presumably anyone will [TS]

00:51:29   have this phone gets free unlimited [TS]

00:51:32   storage for all the photos and video [TS]

00:51:34   that come off of there pixel phone and [TS]

00:51:37   as someone who was a devout cool photos [TS]

00:51:39   user that is amazing and I am super [TS]

00:51:43   jealous [TS]

00:51:44   we haven't yet seen why we need to care [TS]

00:51:47   about google's phone releases because [TS]

00:51:50   they've made phones for a while under [TS]

00:51:52   the nexus brand and we haven't needed to [TS]

00:51:54   care about those yet because [TS]

00:51:56   historically they've been pretty rough [TS]

00:51:58   with any kind of retail presence of any [TS]

00:52:01   kind of deals with the carrier to get [TS]

00:52:03   their phones promoted into stores and [TS]

00:52:04   everything it's been it's been not not [TS]

00:52:07   one of your strong points [TS]

00:52:09   you know the android marketplace is [TS]

00:52:10   really just been for the most part the [TS]

00:52:12   samsung marketplace in recent years the [TS]

00:52:14   timing of this is interesting with [TS]

00:52:15   Samsung having a pretty bad time right [TS]

00:52:18   now with with this note 7 disaster and [TS]

00:52:22   Google coming in and [TS]

00:52:23   hey we we have an alternative for you if [TS]

00:52:25   you want to keep with Android and maybe [TS]

00:52:27   going to carriers now and saying hey you [TS]

00:52:29   can integrate with us now we'll pull [TS]

00:52:30   your bloatware crap on there as it left [TS]

00:52:32   I saw story that's been doing that so [TS]

00:52:34   the timing is is opportune for Google to [TS]

00:52:37   to take back some of the android inertia [TS]

00:52:40   from Samsung a little bit but i do think [TS]

00:52:43   we have we still have not seen google [TS]

00:52:45   really show the world yet that their [TS]

00:52:48   first party hardware products can [TS]

00:52:51   actually get any traction in retail in [TS]

00:52:53   the marketplace so you know if they do [TS]

00:52:55   then great then we have another strong [TS]

00:52:58   competitor the industry will be better [TS]

00:53:00   off customers we better off but i just [TS]

00:53:02   don't see why why we need to care about [TS]

00:53:05   this yet because the based on their past [TS]

00:53:09   the chances of is really taking off I I [TS]

00:53:11   don't think our are guaranteed i think [TS]

00:53:14   for the first time they have a couple of [TS]

00:53:16   pitches and an ad campaign that have a [TS]

00:53:19   chance of resonating with iOS users as [TS]

00:53:23   we mentioned a couple shows ago the [TS]

00:53:24   whole thing of like making fun of the [TS]

00:53:26   iphone where you take a picture and it [TS]

00:53:27   shows you're out of storage touting the [TS]

00:53:28   whole you know Google we take your [TS]

00:53:31   pictures and then throw up to the cloud [TS]

00:53:32   and our crap actually works type of [TS]

00:53:34   angle and then this is just one step [TS]

00:53:36   further along the same lines for saying [TS]

00:53:38   you get this phone not only does our [TS]

00:53:40   stuff work to put yourself in the cloud [TS]

00:53:42   but we don't charge you some big monthly [TS]

00:53:45   fee for your storage get this phone [TS]

00:53:48   don't worry about storage anymore really [TS]

00:53:50   don't worry about it you have unlimited [TS]

00:53:52   storage in the cloud so on and so forth [TS]

00:53:53   in this article on the verge talking [TS]

00:53:56   about the same like see Apple see what [TS]

00:53:58   you have to do once you give people [TS]

00:53:59   cloud storage equal to the size of their [TS]

00:54:01   phone which was the only thing you talk [TS]

00:54:03   about one just get wise an apple just do [TS]

00:54:04   this and made the answers obvious [TS]

00:54:06   because google monetizes the stuff that [TS]

00:54:09   you uploaded to the cloud google you [TS]

00:54:11   know anonymizing looks at your crap and [TS]

00:54:14   then lose use it for machine learning [TS]

00:54:16   your dad doesn't like you know they're [TS]

00:54:18   they're not as privacy focuses apple is [TS]

00:54:21   well but that's see that's kind of a bad [TS]

00:54:22   example though because people say like [TS]

00:54:25   who can afford to do this because [TS]

00:54:26   they're making money off your privacy [TS]

00:54:28   Apple can't do this but that's not your [TS]

00:54:30   Apple makes money to make tons of money [TS]

00:54:32   off the hardware I i would bet apples [TS]

00:54:34   make it more per phone then Google will [TS]

00:54:37   yeah I know but it's the same business [TS]

00:54:38   though they're both that like you can [TS]

00:54:40   say which company is able to make more [TS]

00:54:42   money of things but in the end there is [TS]

00:54:45   there's apple to Apple they're both [TS]

00:54:46   making phones somehow that both making [TS]

00:54:49   the operating system somehow that both [TS]

00:54:51   running the cloud services stores your [TS]

00:54:53   photos somehow right and if Apple's able [TS]

00:54:56   to make more money on hardware and less [TS]

00:54:58   money on services and Google's reverse [TS]

00:54:59   that's all well and good but google has [TS]

00:55:01   one big thing that apple doesn't have [TS]

00:55:03   that there's no apples-to-apples [TS]

00:55:04   comparison for which is we have a search [TS]

00:55:06   engine that brings us huge amounts of [TS]

00:55:09   money through advertising and huge [TS]

00:55:11   amounts of data to feed into our [TS]

00:55:13   analytical engine to figure out like you [TS]

00:55:15   know anything you can imagine wanting to [TS]

00:55:17   do with machine learning google has so [TS]

00:55:20   many inputs into that system that Apple [TS]

00:55:22   has no you know no comparison so even if [TS]

00:55:25   Apple want to do everything google does [TS]

00:55:27   in terms of monetizing your data they [TS]

00:55:29   can't because they don't have as much [TS]

00:55:32   input into the system it's not as [TS]

00:55:33   valuable to them so what we have your [TS]

00:55:35   pictures what can we do with that [TS]

00:55:36   well you can use it to feed your engines [TS]

00:55:38   the figures huh cell searches what I [TS]

00:55:40   mean search as we don't have a search [TS]

00:55:41   engine right so Google still has that [TS]

00:55:43   big strength in terms of monetizing your [TS]

00:55:45   stuff and you're right there saying well [TS]

00:55:46   apples got a lot of money in the bank [TS]

00:55:47   Apple could get free unlimited cloud [TS]

00:55:50   video storage to all the customers for [TS]

00:55:52   the next 150 years and only cut like a [TS]

00:55:55   tiny sliver off the mountain of cash [TS]

00:55:58   they have right that is all true [TS]

00:56:00   no i'm not even talking about like cash [TS]

00:56:01   like cash reserves are now using a [TS]

00:56:03   profit margins on the hardware right [TS]

00:56:05   they make more money on the harbor the [TS]

00:56:06   right like the the google model is we're [TS]

00:56:09   going to we're going to somehow get you [TS]

00:56:11   this phone then we're gonna make money [TS]

00:56:12   on you over time as you use our stuff [TS]

00:56:14   with that Apple model is we're going to [TS]

00:56:17   make money on this phone upfront and by [TS]

00:56:19   the way with this to make money off [TS]

00:56:20   everybody with their thirty percent cut [TS]

00:56:21   from the app store and everything else [TS]

00:56:22   but you know it even if they only make [TS]

00:56:25   money from the phone hardware from [TS]

00:56:27   somebody and there and then after that [TS]

00:56:29   point that person is a cost Center as [TS]

00:56:32   they get all their iCloud stuff hosted [TS]

00:56:34   for free or whatever else they want a [TS]

00:56:35   plan like this you're still making money [TS]

00:56:37   somewhere and there's plenty of profit [TS]

00:56:39   on a phone that's priceless phones are [TS]

00:56:41   priced they could if they wanted to just [TS]

00:56:45   give people cloud storage in a way that [TS]

00:56:48   would probably not have [TS]

00:56:50   that's significant impact on their [TS]

00:56:51   margins they just don't do it because [TS]

00:56:54   they like making the next level five [TS]

00:56:56   bucks a month from the very small number [TS]

00:56:58   of people who are going to buy cloud [TS]

00:56:59   storage or whatever but you know it's [TS]

00:57:01   setting aside how you pay for it because [TS]

00:57:03   again both companies can pay for it in [TS]

00:57:07   their own ways [TS]

00:57:08   apple doesn't have to become this crazy [TS]

00:57:10   ad companies invade your privacy to have [TS]

00:57:12   enough profit margin iphone to host your [TS]

00:57:13   photos for a couple years google does [TS]

00:57:16   that anyway but you know they even they [TS]

00:57:18   don't if they're selling the hardware [TS]

00:57:19   that you don't necessarily to elevated [TS]

00:57:21   want to but so assuming both companies [TS]

00:57:23   have ways to pay for it because they [TS]

00:57:25   both do without changing their business [TS]

00:57:27   models they both ways to pay for it then [TS]

00:57:29   I think Google's approach of giving you [TS]

00:57:31   more of that like hosting that is a much [TS]

00:57:35   more customer friendly approach it is a [TS]

00:57:37   much more likely approach to succeed it [TS]

00:57:41   in terms of getting people to use all [TS]

00:57:43   these photo uploads getting people to [TS]

00:57:44   actually have their photos backed up to [TS]

00:57:46   the cloud somehow and I wish Apple would [TS]

00:57:49   do it [TS]

00:57:49   that being said that isn't today's apple [TS]

00:57:52   style that's not that's not like a tim [TS]

00:57:54   cook or even Steve Jobs Apple style i [TS]

00:57:56   don't see them doing that anytime for [TS]

00:57:58   the foreseeable future but i think [TS]

00:58:00   that's a shame because I think not only [TS]

00:58:01   could they afford to do without becoming [TS]

00:58:03   a privacy innovative company just using [TS]

00:58:05   the margin they already have but i think [TS]

00:58:07   it makes for a way better customer [TS]

00:58:09   experience to just know that whatever [TS]

00:58:11   photos you take on your phone [TS]

00:58:12   they're just backed up data storage is [TS]

00:58:14   really really cheap these days [TS]

00:58:16   especially the kind of scale that Apple [TS]

00:58:18   Google working out the data centers and [TS]

00:58:20   everything on the web services contract [TS]

00:58:21   so it's not like they can afford it's [TS]

00:58:23   not like it's even a big cost it's just [TS]

00:58:25   apples using that additional photo [TS]

00:58:27   storage as a potential center for [TS]

00:58:30   for-profit from service revenue and [TS]

00:58:33   Google is saying for these people who [TS]

00:58:35   buy our phone work is not going to have [TS]

00:58:36   that as a way to make money we're gonna [TS]

00:58:38   do it some other way and it just it's a [TS]

00:58:40   difference of opinion of like what's [TS]

00:58:42   what's the what is a reasonable place to [TS]

00:58:44   make money from people where do you want [TS]

00:58:46   to nickel and dime numbers give them a [TS]

00:58:47   bunch of stuff for free and again both [TS]

00:58:49   companies can do this but only one of [TS]

00:58:51   them is doing it well the Apple has been [TS]

00:58:54   breaking down its its margins dividing [TS]

00:58:58   out services separately so if Apple's to [TS]

00:59:01   do this it would take the [TS]

00:59:03   one part of their business that they [TS]

00:59:04   keep using to try to distract you from [TS]

00:59:06   the fact that their phone business is [TS]

00:59:07   growing like it used to the services [TS]

00:59:09   party a look at our year-over-year [TS]

00:59:10   services growth and it will take a bite [TS]

00:59:12   out of it and even though you say oh [TS]

00:59:15   well just pay for that with the hardware [TS]

00:59:17   margins the way that becomes visible in [TS]

00:59:19   earnings call is service revenue was up [TS]

00:59:22   you know forty percent year-over-year [TS]

00:59:24   but oh now we did this restart reveron [TS]

00:59:26   plan and service revenue is only a five [TS]

00:59:28   percent this year or its down five [TS]

00:59:30   percent or something like that it's like [TS]

00:59:32   oh that was supposed to be the bright [TS]

00:59:33   spot in your earnings call because the [TS]

00:59:35   other your other businesses are stagnant [TS]

00:59:36   or not growing as fast as they used to [TS]

00:59:39   be and now even your services one is [TS]

00:59:41   taking hit that would not be good [TS]

00:59:42   because like you said you know what you [TS]

00:59:45   get the same thing with the cash we just [TS]

00:59:46   said oh we're giving away storage and [TS]

00:59:48   the way we're going to pay for it is [TS]

00:59:49   we're just going to burn cash to do it [TS]

00:59:51   like these are all things that are [TS]

00:59:53   possible numerically but don't look good [TS]

00:59:55   to the outside world of like do you have [TS]

00:59:58   a sustainable business whereas [TS]

00:59:58   a sustainable business whereas [TS]

01:00:00   google you know all of its cost centers [TS]

01:00:03   are running all the stuff it's like it's [TS]

01:00:05   all under the same umbrella of get more [TS]

01:00:07   people get more of those people's [TS]

01:00:08   information that feeds the Beast that [TS]

01:00:10   you know that we make money off of and [TS]

01:00:12   they complain about Google's you're not [TS]

01:00:13   making enough money off of your users [TS]

01:00:15   you have so many users you have all this [TS]

01:00:16   data apple make so much more money off [TS]

01:00:18   of every one of its users than you do [TS]

01:00:20   you need to find a way to monetize them [TS]

01:00:22   better and that's a persistent playing [TS]

01:00:25   about google but this is just more of [TS]

01:00:26   the same with them because they ok well [TS]

01:00:29   we heard you complained but we're going [TS]

01:00:30   to keep doing that thing we do is we try [TS]

01:00:31   to get everyone's data as much as [TS]

01:00:32   possible getting used games use our [TS]

01:00:34   services and the more data we have no [TS]

01:00:36   more use we have the more money we make [TS]

01:00:38   even if our margins aren't that big [TS]

01:00:40   and in theory like like Casey said this [TS]

01:00:43   phone is these phones are the same price [TS]

01:00:44   as iPhones they're made of the same [TS]

01:00:46   materials there you know like that [TS]

01:00:49   probably cheaper materials in the grand [TS]

01:00:51   scheme of things because google is not [TS]

01:00:52   as obsessive about manufacturing and [TS]

01:00:54   tolerances and they didn't have to [TS]

01:00:56   design their own ships are buying [TS]

01:00:57   off-the-shelf from Qualcomm which means [TS]

01:00:58   that the pic kuala margin where they [TS]

01:00:59   handed down to pay for the R&D to [TS]

01:01:01   develop the chip in the you know anyway [TS]

01:01:03   in theory google could be making similar [TS]

01:01:06   margins to apple they're just not a good [TS]

01:01:08   at this business they don't make enough [TS]

01:01:09   phones they're not as good as Apple so [TS]

01:01:11   they don't make as big margins and [TS]

01:01:13   similarly for the server side component [TS]

01:01:15   apples not as good at Google is this [TS]

01:01:17   I'm sure apple stuff costs more to them [TS]

01:01:19   because they're not as good at doing [TS]

01:01:21   services that it's less reliable less [TS]

01:01:23   performance less scalable and it [TS]

01:01:25   probably costs Apple more than across [TS]

01:01:27   cool because Google's really good at [TS]

01:01:28   this stuff and has a much bigger scale [TS]

01:01:29   and they have a much bigger scale [TS]

01:01:31   because they don't just run a service [TS]

01:01:32   that stores people's photos they run the [TS]

01:01:34   world's biggest search engine and tons [TS]

01:01:36   of other crap and they have a lot of [TS]

01:01:37   servers in a lot of storage and a lot of [TS]

01:01:39   in-house hardware and software and know [TS]

01:01:42   how to make this work [TS]

01:01:44   so this is definitely asymmetrical [TS]

01:01:46   warfare here and anything having to do [TS]

01:01:48   with cloud services google just so much [TS]

01:01:50   better at an apple this is a perfect [TS]

01:01:52   move doesn't matter i started the same [TS]

01:01:53   as the perfect move to try to actually [TS]

01:01:55   get people who were iphone users to look [TS]

01:01:59   at the other side of the fence [TS]

01:02:01   it's not even so much like a little by [TS]

01:02:03   Samsung because they catch on fire by [TS]

01:02:06   our phones it's like what about iOS [TS]

01:02:08   people all those things that you have an [TS]

01:02:09   iOS those are the things were great [TS]

01:02:11   about of course they're not going to [TS]

01:02:12   talk [TS]

01:02:13   chemicals about the things that Apple is [TS]

01:02:14   better at but like will give your cloud [TS]

01:02:16   storage are the work hours will be [TS]

01:02:18   faster than ours will be free and i [TS]

01:02:20   honestly think that a apple should [TS]

01:02:22   respond but be apple doesn't have a [TS]

01:02:24   really good way to respond like again if [TS]

01:02:27   they just did it and say we're paying [TS]

01:02:28   for our Hardware Martin's that you know [TS]

01:02:30   they would be good for consumers but [TS]

01:02:31   that would be bad for apple pie came [TS]

01:02:34   with those would be some top-earning [TS]

01:02:35   calls would it but what do you think is [TS]

01:02:38   worse for Apple losing a potential [TS]

01:02:39   iphone customer to the google phone or [TS]

01:02:42   paying for that customers photo stories [TS]

01:02:44   like that they make way more money [TS]

01:02:46   selling another iphone and they do [TS]

01:02:48   selling a couple iCloud storage accounts [TS]

01:02:50   for somebody for a couple years like if [TS]

01:02:51   they offered unlimited storage for [TS]

01:02:54   photos and videos just google does that [TS]

01:02:56   would remove one of the google pixels [TS]

01:02:58   largest selling points [TS]

01:02:59   it was just totally evaporate I bet [TS]

01:03:01   right now Apple probably thinks like I [TS]

01:03:03   said at the beginning of the segment [TS]

01:03:04   that you know Google's for pretty [TS]

01:03:06   hardware has never gone anywhere really [TS]

01:03:08   so it probably probably have to worry [TS]

01:03:10   about it right but what if it does well [TS]

01:03:12   I don't think they're gonna you know [TS]

01:03:14   again it's a trailing indicator you have [TS]

01:03:16   to wait to see [TS]

01:03:16   Oh are we actually losing customers [TS]

01:03:18   because of this thing or is it just the [TS]

01:03:20   thing that makes you look elsewhere but [TS]

01:03:21   they never actually switch because there [TS]

01:03:23   are two trapped into the apple ecosystem [TS]

01:03:24   or whatever if Apple was to offer this [TS]

01:03:27   immediately rather than just say just [TS]

01:03:30   lowering the prices which have done [TS]

01:03:31   already a couple times already you know [TS]

01:03:33   offer free for everything that would be [TS]

01:03:36   seen as like like what why you react to [TS]

01:03:38   this why are you reacting to a phone [TS]

01:03:39   this that sells in such small volumes [TS]

01:03:41   why do you even care about the phone do [TS]

01:03:42   you really think it's going to pull the [TS]

01:03:43   customers wait until it actually does [TS]

01:03:45   start to pull away customers and then [TS]

01:03:46   react to it rather than giving away a [TS]

01:03:50   bunch of money right from the services [TS]

01:03:52   division that is your your growth [TS]

01:03:53   darling in the absence of anything else [TS]

01:03:55   huh it we've talked about storage sizes [TS]

01:03:58   for phones and storage sizes for cloud [TS]

01:04:00   and how Apple is not historically been [TS]

01:04:02   very competitive there and they've been [TS]

01:04:03   adjusting their prices to try to be more [TS]

01:04:05   competitive Google is doing the thing [TS]

01:04:07   that google is able to do enough about [TS]

01:04:09   how much your storage tiers cost enough [TS]

01:04:11   about dropbox across this much and [TS]

01:04:13   iCloud Drive cost as much and you have [TS]

01:04:15   to pay for this and your photos don't [TS]

01:04:16   count but then the bio cloud backup [TS]

01:04:18   camera enough of that everything free [TS]

01:04:20   for everybody like they're there is even [TS]

01:04:22   beyond the back place where it's five [TS]

01:04:23   dollars limited [TS]

01:04:24   like everything unlimited free because [TS]

01:04:25   and and I feel like Google the reason [TS]

01:04:27   google is offering on these phones is [TS]

01:04:29   because they are selling for iphone [TS]

01:04:31   prices i think a lot of the storage is [TS]

01:04:33   being subsidized by the fact that you [TS]

01:04:34   bought some really expensive phone you [TS]

01:04:36   know this is as far as I'm aware this [TS]

01:04:38   deal is not being offered generically on [TS]

01:04:41   the cheapest android phone you can find [TS]

01:04:44   you have to buy the pixel right yeah it [TS]

01:04:47   isn't it isn't any android phone and [TS]

01:04:48   specifically the pixel phones right [TS]

01:04:50   which is a super expensive phone so i [TS]

01:04:52   think google is actually find funding [TS]

01:04:54   this with a little bit of the margins [TS]

01:04:55   from immigrant probably not a sizable [TS]

01:04:57   deliver the artist was very expensive [TS]

01:04:59   phone and as we've all learned painfully [TS]

01:05:00   unlimited I mean it's unlimited as long [TS]

01:05:04   as it's unlimited until it's not limited [TS]

01:05:05   anymore usually by terms of the contract [TS]

01:05:09   would say we can end this deal at any [TS]

01:05:11   time or the company going out of [TS]

01:05:12   business as a picture life or the one [TS]

01:05:14   whose name I've already forgotten ever [TS]

01:05:16   picks ever Betsy I wasn't very ever was [TS]

01:05:19   it you know [TS]

01:05:20   oh I don't think people really care [TS]

01:05:23   about like you know always not really [TS]

01:05:25   unlimited like get while the getting's [TS]

01:05:26   good like it [TS]

01:05:28   by all means that you know if anyone [TS]

01:05:29   offers i'm not going to turn up my nose [TS]

01:05:31   at it and say oh I don't want on your [TS]

01:05:33   limited storage said no it's not limited [TS]

01:05:34   forever who cares to put the limited for [TS]

01:05:36   a year it's worthwhile looking for two [TS]

01:05:37   years or three years just take it while [TS]

01:05:40   you can get it don't be like I I refused [TS]

01:05:42   to commit to this free product unless [TS]

01:05:43   I'm guaranteed that it will outlast me [TS]

01:05:46   and my descendants like whatever just ya [TS]

01:05:49   know if nothing is forever just take the [TS]

01:05:52   deal anyway I I'm not sure Apple will [TS]

01:05:57   react to this [TS]

01:05:58   I Apple needs to get better at doing [TS]

01:06:01   cloud services they need to have their [TS]

01:06:02   photo storage work better in theory [TS]

01:06:04   iCloud photo library funny room should [TS]

01:06:06   do all the things that Google's photos [TS]

01:06:07   does but it doesn't and people are [TS]

01:06:09   frustrated by so they need to get better [TS]

01:06:10   at they need to be able to do it cheaper [TS]

01:06:12   they need to adjust their pricing [TS]

01:06:13   because whether google sells a lot of [TS]

01:06:15   these phones are not they are you know [TS]

01:06:18   they're they're moving the market [TS]

01:06:19   they're saying this is this is the new [TS]

01:06:21   bar if you can't meet this bar you'll [TS]

01:06:22   forever be seen as more competitive than [TS]

01:06:24   if i just bought a google pixel art more [TS]

01:06:26   expensive and i just want to go to pixel [TS]

01:06:28   so does Apple lower the prices do they [TS]

01:06:31   go free [TS]

01:06:32   history has shown that it will take a [TS]

01:06:34   long time to be able to [TS]

01:06:37   go free on its storage considering how [TS]

01:06:40   long it's taken them to offer notion new [TS]

01:06:42   storage tears into lower their prices [TS]

01:06:43   they seem pretty stubborn about that can [TS]

01:06:45   you blame us on Eddy you again [TS]

01:06:47   sure one else do that time but uh yeah [TS]

01:06:50   you either way this is this [TS]

01:06:55   in theory this phone is hitting Apple [TS]

01:06:57   where it hurts and hopefully someone [TS]

01:07:00   apples paying attention [TS]

01:07:01   yeah I also love that they mentioned [TS]

01:07:04   during the keynote and it's on the site [TS]

01:07:06   if you scroll down weighs about halfway [TS]

01:07:08   down the page that they include a [TS]

01:07:11   section that's a switch in three simple [TS]

01:07:13   steps connect signing and transfer [TS]

01:07:14   connect your old iPhone or Android [TS]

01:07:17   device to connect your old iphone [TS]

01:07:19   android device your new pixel with a [TS]

01:07:20   quick switch adapter which apparently is [TS]

01:07:22   USB be whatever the normal USB recept [TS]

01:07:26   goal is to us bc which is what the phone [TS]

01:07:29   uses sign into your Google account on [TS]

01:07:31   your pixel or create a new one and then [TS]

01:07:33   transfer choose what you want to move [TS]

01:07:34   like contacts calendar events photos [TS]

01:07:36   videos music SMS messages I msgs not [TS]

01:07:39   really sure how that's working and more [TS]

01:07:41   than sit back and let the pixel do the [TS]

01:07:42   work and this little adapters in every [TS]

01:07:44   single box so they're getting aggressive [TS]

01:07:46   and I think that's good and I think with [TS]

01:07:48   Stephen Hawking amongst others that said [TS]

01:07:50   you know this is healthy for both [TS]

01:07:52   companies when when Apple is doing well [TS]

01:07:54   which hopefully they are i mean i guess [TS]

01:07:56   it depends when he asked us and if [TS]

01:07:58   Google's doing well then that's a good [TS]

01:08:01   thing because this competition keeps [TS]

01:08:03   makes both of our products better but [TS]

01:08:06   I'm curious to see if this really sells [TS]

01:08:08   in any volume i can tell you that of the [TS]

01:08:10   four developers on the Android t5 [TS]

01:08:13   developers on the Android team in my [TS]

01:08:14   office two of them bought the phone [TS]

01:08:16   while they were in the keynote or while [TS]

01:08:19   we were watching the keynote which by [TS]

01:08:21   the way was that like 1230-1 o'clock in [TS]

01:08:24   the afternoon they set their and mashed [TS]

01:08:27   on the refresh button for like a minute [TS]

01:08:28   and a half i was super jealous and yes I [TS]

01:08:31   think about this and yes most people [TS]

01:08:33   were like oh yeah well you know they [TS]

01:08:35   have five people buying these funds will [TS]

01:08:36   I don't care it's still not in the [TS]

01:08:39   middle of the night and so i'm very [TS]

01:08:40   jealous of that [TS]

01:08:41   but we'll see i'm anxious to see these [TS]

01:08:43   devices when they come in for my coat of [TS]

01:08:45   my co-workers so I can see what I think [TS]

01:08:46   of them but I'm I'm cautiously [TS]

01:08:51   optimistic like this isn't a phone for [TS]

01:08:53   me but it could be if I if I wanted to [TS]

01:08:56   jump to the other side of the fence [TS]

01:08:57   ok one more thing on the pixel I didn't [TS]

01:09:01   see the entire video presentation is all [TS]

01:09:03   parts of it and one part that I was [TS]

01:09:04   particularly interested in is the [TS]

01:09:06   daydream vr thing that they're doing [TS]

01:09:08   another one of these situations where [TS]

01:09:11   you take your phone and you shove it [TS]

01:09:12   into a headset and then half the phone [TS]

01:09:14   screen shows where your left i supposed [TS]

01:09:16   to see and have the phone screen shows [TS]

01:09:17   with you're right i supposed to see you [TS]

01:09:19   wear a pair of goggles that makes that [TS]

01:09:20   all focus and work out reasonably well [TS]

01:09:22   and you try to have a little miniature [TS]

01:09:24   portable VR experience which is quite [TS]

01:09:29   something considering you know no [TS]

01:09:30   serious vr development involves max in [TS]

01:09:33   any way and yet we're able to do it on [TS]

01:09:35   these crappy phones that are not as [TS]

01:09:36   powerful as Apple's obviously the VR [TS]

01:09:39   experience compared to a pc is very [TS]

01:09:41   different on the phone you're not going [TS]

01:09:43   to have the same type of thing you have [TS]

01:09:44   a HTC vive depending how you want to say [TS]

01:09:48   that oculus rift or you know even that [TS]

01:09:50   the ps4 vr but this is the thing they're [TS]

01:09:54   doing and I think the most interesting [TS]

01:09:56   part of this is their headset there are [TS]

01:10:00   a lot of these headsets including like [TS]

01:10:01   google cardboard thing which is the most [TS]

01:10:03   permanent for this is another set of [TS]

01:10:05   goggles that you strapped to your head [TS]

01:10:06   that you shove your phone into and they [TS]

01:10:08   spent a while trying to talk about the [TS]

01:10:11   design of it like the external design [TS]

01:10:13   they've made it out of fabric I don't [TS]

01:10:15   think they mention this specifically [TS]

01:10:17   they mostly just at all what do we wear [TS]

01:10:18   on our bodies we were soft things and [TS]

01:10:20   fabrics right so instead of making it [TS]

01:10:22   out of shiny black plastic so your local [TS]

01:10:24   nerdy you know how you gonna make the [TS]

01:10:27   arts and I look nerdy made out of fabric [TS]

01:10:29   because I'm good where and when I look [TS]

01:10:30   at it I was thought of the sleep masks [TS]

01:10:32   you know if you put like those was uh [TS]

01:10:33   yeah things to help you sleep at night [TS]

01:10:35   it's not made out of like velvety [TS]

01:10:36   material but it's just a fabric it looks [TS]

01:10:38   like a sleep mask but i think this is a [TS]

01:10:41   smart thing to do and I think other vr [TS]

01:10:44   goggle sender should take note [TS]

01:10:47   you don't have to always look like a [TS]

01:10:49   giant robot when you wear the thing it [TS]

01:10:51   doesn't have to be all angles and [TS]

01:10:53   hard shiny plastic doesn't look like one [TS]

01:10:55   of those droid ads you know those [TS]

01:10:57   original droid ads for everything is a [TS]

01:10:58   transformer you are putting on your body [TS]

01:11:01   and around your head and why not make it [TS]

01:11:03   that something soft and comfortable it's [TS]

01:11:05   not like for example headphones they're [TS]

01:11:07   not made out of pointy angular plastic [TS]

01:11:09   unless maybe they're made by sony so are [TS]

01:11:11   right like that your copy that you have [TS]

01:11:14   they have patty things on the ear so I [TS]

01:11:16   get squishy things because they go on [TS]

01:11:18   your head and you don't want to thats [TS]

01:11:19   not squishy so these goggles grab the [TS]

01:11:22   the outsider doesn't touch you but [TS]

01:11:23   they're trying to they're trying to [TS]

01:11:25   convey like these are squishy and [TS]

01:11:26   comfortable and not like welding a [TS]

01:11:30   laptop to your forehead right and I [TS]

01:11:33   think that's a really good idea and this [TS]

01:11:35   type of casual vr where it's like [TS]

01:11:37   low-resolution low framerate probably [TS]

01:11:38   not even that good right it's I think [TS]

01:11:42   this is a a good place to get a foothold [TS]

01:11:45   into the idea of like a few people try [TS]

01:11:47   because hey everyone's got a phone and [TS]

01:11:49   you know this guy was probably cost too [TS]

01:11:50   much but you know people who are [TS]

01:11:51   interested [TS]

01:11:52   who wouldn't buy a full-fledged gaming [TS]

01:11:54   pc and the whole setup in the whole gear [TS]

01:11:56   will buy maybe this thing that you did [TS]

01:11:58   you shove your phone into and try it out [TS]

01:12:00   and have a pleasant experience start to [TS]

01:12:03   associate google with VR whatever and I [TS]

01:12:05   don't give this thing great hopes of [TS]

01:12:07   doing anything especially since who's [TS]

01:12:10   going to develop software for this thing [TS]

01:12:12   it's very to market within a market in a [TS]

01:12:14   market i don't know but as someone who [TS]

01:12:17   still has yet to even try bri find it [TS]

01:12:19   intriguing that google is plowing [TS]

01:12:22   bravely forward with some interesting [TS]

01:12:24   ideas who are as Google Apple is still [TS]

01:12:27   sitting this one out and Tim Cook is [TS]

01:12:29   talking about augmented reality rather [TS]

01:12:31   than VR all the while leaving its own [TS]

01:12:35   customers without either one of those [TS]

01:12:36   things except that app that you hold up [TS]

01:12:37   and translate science is really cool but [TS]

01:12:40   anyway I i think these goggles are neat [TS]

01:12:42   i have no idea how good they actually [TS]

01:12:43   are but I'm encouraged by the steady [TS]

01:12:46   advancement in the world of ER so if [TS]

01:12:49   they're anything like google cardboard [TS]

01:12:50   which it looks like they're very very [TS]

01:12:52   similar actually you should not try them [TS]

01:12:55   like a low-resolution motion sickness a [TS]

01:12:57   yeah I i get i get to try one of those [TS]

01:12:59   actually twice now and wow not not [TS]

01:13:05   divided [TS]

01:13:06   anyway I also [TS]

01:13:07   you got to try a five and that was [TS]

01:13:11   substantially better for promotional [TS]

01:13:15   purposes it better be for like a [TS]

01:13:17   tremendous extra cost that is yeah just [TS]

01:13:19   need a gaming pc and this and a room and [TS]

01:13:22   these things you can hold then walk [TS]

01:13:23   around and yeah [TS]

01:13:24   now let me divide the problem is that [TS]

01:13:26   you stop wires everywhere I just wires [TS]

01:13:28   as far as i can see that tripping over [TS]

01:13:29   wires having the wires it its it's kind [TS]

01:13:32   of unfortunate but I'm sure [TS]

01:13:34   over time we will work these things out [TS]

01:13:35   looking for these headphones even if you [TS]

01:13:38   just use them to watch video with sound [TS]

01:13:39   like whatever you know why wouldn't I [TS]

01:13:41   just hold my phone in front of my face [TS]

01:13:42   like the event this is generation 0 type [TS]

01:13:46   products here you know it's gonna get [TS]

01:13:47   better the resolution will get better [TS]

01:13:49   that you know eventually a phone will [TS]

01:13:51   have enough power to not be embarrassing [TS]

01:13:52   invr I i have i'm not looking on this is [TS]

01:13:57   like wow this is a game-changer looking [TS]

01:13:58   on this as this could potentially be [TS]

01:14:02   away many years down the line that's [TS]

01:14:04   accepted accepted way to just veg out [TS]

01:14:08   and watching video or play some casual [TS]

01:14:10   games not like I'm in a full emergency [TS]

01:14:12   our experience and I feel like I'm [TS]

01:14:14   really there maybe that's going to be [TS]

01:14:16   longer or still require gaming pc or [TS]

01:14:18   whatever but don't know it's it just [TS]

01:14:21   seems like I guess I understand why does [TS]

01:14:24   apples you know why apple's doing [TS]

01:14:25   they're not going to release a half-ass [TS]

01:14:26   product like this and say well it's [TS]

01:14:28   kinda need want to try guys tell us what [TS]

01:14:30   you think right that's not going to [TS]

01:14:31   happen but if apple doesn't figure out [TS]

01:14:36   what his play is here soon it's going to [TS]

01:14:38   pass them by it's kind of like Microsoft [TS]

01:14:40   trying to figure out what it's play buzz [TS]

01:14:41   in the world of mobile and then just [TS]

01:14:43   everyone else went out ahead of them [TS]

01:14:44   said wait up and they never did catch up [TS]

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01:16:20   pretty much in love with it [TS]

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01:16:25   heard its last I heard you guys really [TS]

01:16:26   like it i grew up with a dad who was big [TS]

01:16:32   into home automation in the late 90s [TS]

01:16:35   which is to say control your lights from [TS]

01:16:37   all over the place [TS]

01:16:38   this was X 10 at the time which is a [TS]

01:16:40   home automation protocol i actually put [TS]

01:16:43   hand x10 receiver in my dorm room and [TS]

01:16:45   had rope lights wired to it and i even [TS]

01:16:47   had a movie set up [TS]

01:16:49   no it gets better even at a movie mode [TS]

01:16:51   set up so would like them the rope [TS]

01:16:52   lights and turn on the TV and whatnot [TS]

01:16:54   which would have been awesome for the [TS]

01:16:55   girl that never ever came over this is [TS]

01:16:59   worse than my carputer yeah it's pretty [TS]

01:17:01   bad because that's what girls are [TS]

01:17:02   impressed by automatically controlled [TS]

01:17:04   lights there's like this is the man for [TS]

01:17:06   me right [TS]

01:17:08   and how could you go wrong it's perfect [TS]

01:17:10   no but anyway I'm i like the idea of [TS]

01:17:14   home automation although only barely dip [TS]

01:17:18   my toes into it and and like i said i [TS]

01:17:20   don't have any of these like automated [TS]

01:17:22   assistant things outside of Siri when [TS]

01:17:24   she decides to work properly so i am not [TS]

01:17:27   that jazzed by google home i'm not that [TS]

01:17:30   jazzed by Alexa [TS]

01:17:32   I'm not that jazz by these rumors about [TS]

01:17:35   Apple's home automation hub i suspect [TS]

01:17:38   that most of that is my own ignorance [TS]

01:17:40   and once I see like a really nice setup [TS]

01:17:43   or or once i see one of these things in [TS]

01:17:45   use the light bulb will go off and also [TS]

01:17:47   by God I need this in my life but do I [TS]

01:17:50   guess [TS]

01:17:51   do either of you care about these home [TS]

01:17:52   automation hub rumors like is this [TS]

01:17:54   interesting to you what are you looking [TS]

01:17:56   for from this what do you think I care [TS]

01:17:58   about the actual announcement and other [TS]

01:18:00   you're reading the next item and then [TS]

01:18:01   things about this home automation help [TS]

01:18:03   remove from apple but google is [TS]

01:18:05   following through on its original [TS]

01:18:06   announcement of this whatever google [TS]

01:18:08   home little weeble thing that will tell [TS]

01:18:09   you which makes it a squat little [TS]

01:18:11   counterpart to the tube shaped thing [TS]

01:18:16   that keeps calling to the whales and [TS]

01:18:18   star trek for that Amazon makes and the [TS]

01:18:22   reason i didn't buy a card and a lot of [TS]

01:18:24   people with that go i've tried them like [TS]

01:18:26   I understand the value proposition there [TS]

01:18:28   but never quite wanted to get one mostly [TS]

01:18:29   because I figured my own you know that's [TS]

01:18:31   fine and all but amazon is not really [TS]

01:18:35   that good at this type of stuff i mean [TS]

01:18:37   they're not bad but it's not really [TS]

01:18:39   their strength so let me wait until see [TS]

01:18:41   what Apple Google have and the the knock [TS]

01:18:44   against amazon is like oh you can get [TS]

01:18:46   all these skills and a good interview [TS]

01:18:47   with third parties but it's so specific [TS]

01:18:49   and it's so primitive and it's like you [TS]

01:18:51   gotta know what you can have a do and [TS]

01:18:54   you've got to know the specific skills [TS]

01:18:55   and it's very fixed whereas apples [TS]

01:18:57   always telling Syria or intelligent [TS]

01:18:59   machine learning will figure out what [TS]

01:19:01   you mean or whatever but of course we [TS]

01:19:02   know when you actually use Siri it's [TS]

01:19:03   embarrassingly bad a lot of the time [TS]

01:19:06   Google when I think of the company that [TS]

01:19:09   I can just sort of throw words that [TS]

01:19:12   written or otherwise and have to do what [TS]

01:19:14   I mean is the best at that very often i [TS]

01:19:16   am I want to do something and you can [TS]

01:19:18   try it in Syria and you could try asking [TS]

01:19:20   amazon echo about it and you can try [TS]

01:19:23   whatever things you have to think of to [TS]

01:19:25   find something but very often the answer [TS]

01:19:27   is right your actual question into a [TS]

01:19:30   text box on google.com like don't [TS]

01:19:32   overthink it don't try to write in a [TS]

01:19:34   query language just do the simplest [TS]

01:19:36   thing one of my favorite activities like [TS]

01:19:38   in chat rooms and stuff like that where [TS]

01:19:40   someone will ask sometimes even [TS]

01:19:42   you know fairly technical person how do [TS]

01:19:44   you do the above all i can ask some very [TS]

01:19:46   complicated involved question and then [TS]

01:19:49   i'll say i tried googling but I couldn't [TS]

01:19:51   find anything then what you do is you [TS]

01:19:53   take the original question that they [TS]

01:19:54   typed you in the message you copy it you [TS]

01:19:56   paste into the google search box and the [TS]

01:19:58   number-one hit is the thing that we're [TS]

01:19:59   looking for because what they were doing [TS]

01:20:01   is thinking like a programmer and going [TS]

01:20:02   like you know whatever it is like no [TS]

01:20:06   other files sing not working like just [TS]

01:20:09   their they're just typing there they [TS]

01:20:11   were using a query engine whereas the [TS]

01:20:13   the sentence they just sent you get the [TS]

01:20:15   number one hit because that's what [TS]

01:20:17   people put into google so when I think [TS]

01:20:18   about is there some cylinder my house [TS]

01:20:20   that I can talk into the air and have a [TS]

01:20:21   cylinder do what I want [TS]

01:20:23   I didn't think the highest chance of it [TS]

01:20:25   understanding what i mean and doing [TS]

01:20:27   something useful is for that cylinder to [TS]

01:20:29   be made by and connected to everything [TS]

01:20:30   having to do with google so when they [TS]

01:20:33   announced the whole thing I'm like [TS]

01:20:34   that's the first thing i think i might [TS]

01:20:36   buy to try because i'm assuming it will [TS]

01:20:38   be better than the Amazon echo better at [TS]

01:20:42   like you know understanding what I mean [TS]

01:20:45   doing useful things maybe not better [TS]

01:20:46   audio wise or whatever maybe not maybe I [TS]

01:20:49   was like oh we better ordering paper [TS]

01:20:50   towels then the google thing is but [TS]

01:20:53   maybe the google thing with better about [TS]

01:20:54   answering complicated question some or [TS]

01:20:56   maybe the google thing we better about [TS]

01:20:57   projecting things on my TV if i buy a [TS]

01:21:00   little dinky chromecast and shoved into [TS]

01:21:01   one of my side hdmi ports that I'm not [TS]

01:21:03   currently using right versus the Amazon [TS]

01:21:07   trying to integrate with their fire [TS]

01:21:08   pocket all that other stuff anyway [TS]

01:21:10   an apple just continue to be a [TS]

01:21:12   non-combatant in this entire market [TS]

01:21:13   despite the rumors so i am very [TS]

01:21:15   interested in this home device [TS]

01:21:17   the only caveat for most people that I [TS]

01:21:19   don't really mind that much as yes of [TS]

01:21:20   course everything that I say will be [TS]

01:21:21   uploaded to Google and all my [TS]

01:21:23   information belong to but I already have [TS]

01:21:24   all my mail google like I'm willing to [TS]

01:21:26   give Google's information in exchange [TS]

01:21:28   for extra convenience in my life I'm [TS]

01:21:30   willing to give this a try [TS]

01:21:32   so I think I might actually get one of [TS]

01:21:34   these I'm very curious to hear what you [TS]

01:21:37   think of it when that comes in i don't [TS]

01:21:39   know i'm not sure what I would pick [TS]

01:21:41   between amazon and theoretically Apple [TS]

01:21:44   and Google but I mean my mail is google [TS]

01:21:47   apps my photos are in google my music [TS]

01:21:49   and Spotify [TS]

01:21:51   which cool i'm sure will not jive well [TS]

01:21:53   with with apple stuff job well whatever [TS]

01:21:56   the word is I'm looking for [TS]

01:21:58   I don't say Marco what's your intention [TS]

01:22:01   just going all-in on amazon [TS]

01:22:02   well I'm not really committed for you [TS]

01:22:04   know we have the echo in the in the [TS]

01:22:07   kitchen it's good a lot of things a lot [TS]

01:22:10   of time we i will ask it a question that [TS]

01:22:13   I don't think it'll answer just to see [TS]

01:22:15   like you know can't do this can I find [TS]

01:22:16   this information and a lot of times it [TS]

01:22:18   does and if I ask Siri the same question [TS]

01:22:20   i get i can search the web for you know [TS]

01:22:23   so hey I got a useless answer from Cirie [TS]

01:22:26   for many of the same questions but a lot [TS]

01:22:28   of people said the opposite you know [TS]

01:22:29   this is a lot of people have the [TS]

01:22:30   opposite reaction where like the things [TS]

01:22:31   they ask serious work out well and the [TS]

01:22:33   things they ask the Amazon assistant [TS]

01:22:35   don't it's not really consistent between [TS]

01:22:37   one or the other whether you can see [TS]

01:22:39   like this one is universally the best [TS]

01:22:41   one this one is universally not I really [TS]

01:22:43   depends on how are using it what using [TS]

01:22:44   it for how to integrate the various [TS]

01:22:46   things I will say though that this is [TS]

01:22:49   the kind of problem that I don't expect [TS]

01:22:52   apples product to be very good at to [TS]

01:22:54   make a product that's really good you [TS]

01:22:56   need incredibly strong AI skills you [TS]

01:23:00   huge data set to be developing that from [TS]

01:23:02   you need constant updates constant like [TS]

01:23:05   add ons and new abilities and [TS]

01:23:07   refinements to that data set so you [TS]

01:23:09   basically like a really massive solid AI [TS]

01:23:12   webservice behind it [TS]

01:23:13   Apple's not good at those things apple [TS]

01:23:15   can do be web services they can do minor [TS]

01:23:17   I things but they say so far are still [TS]

01:23:19   not good at large scale advanced AI [TS]

01:23:23   service kind of things and then [TS]

01:23:25   secondarily you need the ability to [TS]

01:23:27   really be able to connect to lots of [TS]

01:23:29   different things [TS]

01:23:30   this is where the echo does really well [TS]

01:23:32   they have tons of integrations with all [TS]

01:23:34   sorts of services hardware developers [TS]

01:23:37   stuff through there a PRI tons of [TS]

01:23:39   integrations for Apple to do that they [TS]

01:23:42   would basically have to relax the [TS]

01:23:44   requirements for home kit and they would [TS]

01:23:46   have to really be a lot more open and [TS]

01:23:48   permissive with developers and they are [TS]

01:23:49   now and do things like open up the [TS]

01:23:51   series API much further than it is right [TS]

01:23:53   now and I just don't see them doing that [TS]

01:23:56   so they could prove me wrong who knows [TS]

01:23:59   but if i look at what these companies [TS]

01:24:01   are good at now and the way they seem to [TS]

01:24:03   be going [TS]

01:24:04   i'm guessing apple's version of this if [TS]

01:24:06   it exists whenever it whenever it would [TS]

01:24:08   ship i'm guessing it's not going to be [TS]

01:24:10   as good as the other two I think [TS]

01:24:12   amazon is gonna own this market for the [TS]

01:24:14   for the market share wise but i think [TS]

01:24:17   the google was probably going to end up [TS]

01:24:18   being the best one [TS]

01:24:19   we're going with anyone could be [TS]

01:24:21   cancelled like them they have a previous [TS]

01:24:22   one called like on hub or something that [TS]

01:24:24   I had sphere shape entertainment thing [TS]

01:24:26   that never went anywhere [TS]

01:24:27   google has tried many in home products [TS]

01:24:31   that have not gone anywhere maybe it'll [TS]

01:24:33   be a flop to but what they have going [TS]

01:24:35   for them like you said as they they have [TS]

01:24:36   the backend like when one Apple does [TS]

01:24:38   stuff with Siri they just if they don't [TS]

01:24:41   know exactly what to do their passing it [TS]

01:24:43   on to another service but they're be [TS]

01:24:44   wolframalpha are being or Google like [TS]

01:24:46   they're that's not them they're like [TS]

01:24:48   well we can't make heads or tails of [TS]

01:24:50   this so we're going to send it to a [TS]

01:24:51   different company that's good at this [TS]

01:24:52   stuff [TS]

01:24:53   maybe they can figure out what to do [TS]

01:24:55   with it which is not really a strong [TS]

01:24:57   move the other factor about all these [TS]

01:24:59   cylinders in your home that you talked [TS]

01:25:01   to that apparently from everyone who [TS]

01:25:04   have ever spoken doing my own personal [TS]

01:25:05   experience got right and then i can [TS]

01:25:06   imagine both Apple and cool [TS]

01:25:09   perhaps forgetting about is the echo is [TS]

01:25:12   surprisingly good at hearing you and [TS]

01:25:15   understanding what the hell you said yet [TS]

01:25:17   now after that maybe they can't do [TS]

01:25:18   anything with your words maybe they're [TS]

01:25:20   bad you know they don't have a good you [TS]

01:25:21   know you have to phrase things in a [TS]

01:25:22   certain way i would forget about that [TS]

01:25:23   that but they're good at hearing you and [TS]

01:25:26   getting your words and that is so [TS]

01:25:27   important how often have we tried to [TS]

01:25:29   speak into our phones an inch from our [TS]

01:25:31   face and how to get a word wrong whereas [TS]

01:25:33   amazon echo again because probably feels [TS]

01:25:35   constrained vocabulary like those phone [TS]

01:25:37   trees that you do but also because they [TS]

01:25:38   have tons of microphones and good like [TS]

01:25:40   noise cancellation and being formed over [TS]

01:25:42   the hell they're doing [TS]

01:25:43   I think a lot of the time for that [TS]

01:25:45   stupid cylinder was spent figuring out [TS]

01:25:47   how to hear people separate their voice [TS]

01:25:49   from the background noise and understand [TS]

01:25:51   what they said and that is incredibly [TS]

01:25:53   important it's like it's like [TS]

01:25:54   responsiveness on the original iphones [TS]

01:25:56   like oh yeah and you could have things [TS]

01:25:57   and move around it's fine it's like yeah [TS]

01:25:59   but you don't understand the difference [TS]

01:26:00   between you can tap things and slide [TS]

01:26:01   around its fine and it really feels like [TS]

01:26:04   it's sticking to my finger you may think [TS]

01:26:05   you've checked the same check boxes yet [TS]

01:26:07   we have a touchscreen yep you move [TS]

01:26:09   things around by scrolling your finger [TS]

01:26:10   yep you tap buttons [TS]

01:26:12   it's not checkboxes it's like yes you [TS]

01:26:14   both do the same thing but this aspect [TS]

01:26:16   of the product is so [TS]

01:26:17   important that you really have to get it [TS]

01:26:19   right and amazon has gotten pretty right [TS]

01:26:22   like who hasn't been in a house with an [TS]

01:26:24   echo and said something in a way that [TS]

01:26:26   you think that human wouldn't have been [TS]

01:26:27   able to understand you you mumble it [TS]

01:26:28   from a room away facing the wrong [TS]

01:26:30   direction and the echo still tells you [TS]

01:26:32   like what the score of the game is what [TS]

01:26:34   the weather is kind of being like how [TS]

01:26:35   the hell did hear that yeah that's what [TS]

01:26:37   you have to do with these things so i [TS]

01:26:38   hope the cylinder that you know the [TS]

01:26:40   google home thing does it as well on if [TS]

01:26:42   Apple ever comes up with the product i [TS]

01:26:43   hope they spend tons of time figuring [TS]

01:26:45   out how to hack the everybody and don't [TS]

01:26:47   be like well Johnny I've said we don't [TS]

01:26:48   have a lot of room for the microphone so [TS]

01:26:49   we're gonna have these two here this is [TS]

01:26:51   what I'm saying like it is if Apple [TS]

01:26:53   really devoted like if they really set [TS]

01:26:55   their minds to it they really prioritize [TS]

01:26:58   these services and these these product [TS]

01:27:00   priorities things they could probably [TS]

01:27:02   make a pretty good one but I i see this [TS]

01:27:04   being like an accessory really is i [TS]

01:27:06   don't see it [TS]

01:27:07   I don't see Apple taking this very [TS]

01:27:08   seriously as a product category so [TS]

01:27:10   what's probably going to end up being is [TS]

01:27:13   a relatively low priority relatively low [TS]

01:27:16   effort product if it exists and because [TS]

01:27:19   of that it's going to be like it's gonna [TS]

01:27:20   have no meaningful service changes [TS]

01:27:23   behind it too seriously its series not [TS]

01:27:25   going to become an order of magnitude [TS]

01:27:26   better because of this product you know [TS]

01:27:28   it's if they're gonna do that they're [TS]

01:27:30   going to do it for the phone's not for [TS]

01:27:31   this and they've had lots of reasons to [TS]

01:27:33   that recently and they kind of haven't [TS]

01:27:35   really done enough and this is probably [TS]

01:27:37   a product that's that's updated maybe [TS]

01:27:39   every three years we know hardware-wise [TS]

01:27:41   you two or three years like the maximum [TS]

01:27:43   like basically on like an apple TV kind [TS]

01:27:46   of schedule where Amazon Google we [TS]

01:27:49   operate in there like every year or even [TS]

01:27:50   more often amazon is relentless every [TS]

01:27:52   every 15 minutes [TS]

01:27:53   yeah getting an apple TV that's a great [TS]

01:27:56   example of a home device that people [TS]

01:27:59   talk to granted they talked to the the [TS]

01:28:00   remote and not the device and the rumors [TS]

01:28:02   are that originally were supposed to [TS]

01:28:04   talk to the apple TV but the remote came [TS]

01:28:05   with better sound which kind of makes [TS]

01:28:07   sense you've got other motor anyway the [TS]

01:28:09   experience of speaking to your apple TV [TS]

01:28:12   this is exactly what i was saying like [TS]

01:28:14   the phone trees there's a fairly [TS]

01:28:15   constrained vocabulary mostly you could [TS]

01:28:18   you know you're mostly you're talking [TS]

01:28:19   about video that you want to watch I [TS]

01:28:20   mean the it's a little bit broader than [TS]

01:28:22   that but they want to constrain that [TS]

01:28:23   they could say look we don't have to [TS]

01:28:25   understand everything in the world we [TS]

01:28:27   have a limited problem domain [TS]

01:28:29   let's use our machine learning and the [TS]

01:28:31   idea that we think they're gonna watch [TS]

01:28:32   video integrated it's still hard problem [TS]

01:28:34   right and try to figure out what they [TS]

01:28:37   mean and if you ever spoken to the motor [TS]

01:28:39   of an apple TV and tried to say [TS]

01:28:42   something reasonable to it you realize [TS]

01:28:44   how badly the appletv falls down on [TS]

01:28:46   basic functionality you know like trying [TS]

01:28:50   to get it to you know start you know [TS]

01:28:52   watch episode five season 2 of some show [TS]

01:28:55   or show me whatever and it's like I'm [TS]

01:28:58   sorry I don't know any shows named [TS]

01:29:01   orange is the new black and like on the [TS]

01:29:02   screen behind his orange is the new [TS]

01:29:03   black [TS]

01:29:04   you know like we've all seen these [TS]

01:29:06   series things like on the phone where [TS]

01:29:08   it's a great mixer for great screenshots [TS]

01:29:10   or it's like try you know i'm sorry i [TS]

01:29:13   can't launch the app store tried looking [TS]

01:29:14   for it in the app store like you've all [TS]

01:29:16   seen that serious weird stuff like that [TS]

01:29:18   on the phone and it's funny because you [TS]

01:29:20   can see it on the appletv when it works [TS]

01:29:22   you feel like this is amazing it's a [TS]

01:29:23   little friend that I can talk to shows [TS]

01:29:25   with the video i want when it doesn't [TS]

01:29:26   work it's like what was wrong with that [TS]

01:29:28   like it was this message you see the [TS]

01:29:30   text being translated like it is [TS]

01:29:31   understanding every word I'm saying and [TS]

01:29:33   there isn't really any ambiguity but [TS]

01:29:34   sometimes it's like Fight I can't do [TS]

01:29:36   that for years it's something else I can [TS]

01:29:38   help you with like no just do the thing [TS]

01:29:39   ya it's inconsistent and credit yes [TS]

01:29:41   that's incredibly frustrating you don't [TS]

01:29:43   know why it didn't do it did it fail on [TS]

01:29:45   a server connection or is it just [TS]

01:29:46   confused about something or as a lost [TS]

01:29:48   contacts and it's not really that [TS]

01:29:49   responsive whereas again amazon echo [TS]

01:29:52   completely faceless know you why it [TS]

01:29:54   didn't work is nothing you can do to fix [TS]

01:29:55   it and yet when you say things to it it [TS]

01:29:58   in pretty short order does the thing [TS]

01:30:00   that you said in a way that makes you [TS]

01:30:01   think that's pretty neat and miraculous [TS]

01:30:04   and yet it falls down sometimes too but [TS]

01:30:06   that's why people are impressed by the [TS]

01:30:07   cylinder because they you know basically [TS]

01:30:09   I was a call be funny gimmick but it'll [TS]

01:30:11   be like cereal works at the time and [TS]

01:30:12   i'll never use it but because it is [TS]

01:30:15   responsive and hears you and generally [TS]

01:30:17   does what you ask a timely fashion [TS]

01:30:18   people start to trusted and appreciate [TS]

01:30:21   the fact that does work in Syria has not [TS]

01:30:23   yet passed that bar I don't think Siri [TS]

01:30:26   or whatever branding ever want to put [TS]

01:30:28   into a thing that you can talk to any of [TS]

01:30:30   its product has endeared itself to any [TS]

01:30:33   way to degree where they're like ah I'm [TS]

01:30:36   much more interested in buying this [TS]

01:30:37   product because it comes to Syria and I [TS]

01:30:38   love Siri I just haven't seen that yet [TS]

01:30:40   we're at whereas the stupid black [TS]

01:30:42   plastic [TS]

01:30:43   down there is done that for amazon and [TS]

01:30:44   the thing is like if you see like [TS]

01:30:46   overtime [TS]

01:30:47   what's changing in this market over time [TS]

01:30:49   however has been getting better how's [TS]

01:30:50   everything going to develop apple has [TS]

01:30:52   had a very long time to make Siri [TS]

01:30:54   reliable and better and they have [TS]

01:30:57   improved over time but just not enough [TS]

01:31:00   it is still very inconsistent and you [TS]

01:31:03   can you can ask you the same question [TS]

01:31:04   two days in a row and you'll get [TS]

01:31:06   different answers or 1 will fail and the [TS]

01:31:08   next table succeed or like it it is so [TS]

01:31:10   inconsistent it's very frustrating when [TS]

01:31:12   that happens to you with the echo I you [TS]

01:31:15   know I don't use it like constantly all [TS]

01:31:17   day every day but I use it I I tell it's [TS]

01:31:20   something every day usually it's [TS]

01:31:22   controlling lights around the house [TS]

01:31:23   every night when I go to bed I tell to [TS]

01:31:25   turn off everything like it's it's [TS]

01:31:27   usually stuff like that occasionally [TS]

01:31:28   music wear timers to use of travel time [TS]

01:31:30   I think we've had it for something like [TS]

01:31:33   4-5 months now i think that entire time [TS]

01:31:36   we've had one time where it returned [TS]

01:31:39   some kind of like server error response [TS]

01:31:40   basically i can't i can't figure that [TS]

01:31:42   out right now or something like that one [TS]

01:31:44   time that happened in months of using it [TS]

01:31:46   with Syria that happens like every [TS]

01:31:49   fourth or fifth time for if you use it [TS]

01:31:51   if you like i do like so it where where [TS]

01:31:54   these things are going it yeah i can see [TS]

01:31:56   the market playing out in the most [TS]

01:31:58   likely way already in my head you know [TS]

01:32:00   Apple if they enter it they're going to [TS]

01:32:01   enter it with you again some kind of [TS]

01:32:03   like but too infrequently updated [TS]

01:32:06   probably too expensive and maybe to [TS]

01:32:08   Johnny I be designing a product that [TS]

01:32:10   won't be very competitive in the [TS]

01:32:12   marketplace for things like capabilities [TS]

01:32:14   price integrations and they'll have it [TS]

01:32:17   backed by series service which it won't [TS]

01:32:19   be consistent enough it won't be solid [TS]

01:32:21   enough it won't be smart enough then you [TS]

01:32:23   have google making there's selling [TS]

01:32:25   google hardware they always sell it [TS]

01:32:27   which is it's going to have probably the [TS]

01:32:28   most amazing AI behind the most amazing [TS]

01:32:31   service behind it but there gonna have [TS]

01:32:33   major problems getting it in you know [TS]

01:32:35   getting solar retail basically getting [TS]

01:32:37   it really into people's hands there [TS]

01:32:38   gonna have major problems promote [TS]

01:32:40   promoting and selling and supporting it [TS]

01:32:41   amazon is going to be relentless about [TS]

01:32:45   pushing the crap out of the echo line of [TS]

01:32:47   products on their front page all the [TS]

01:32:49   holiday seasons saw them relentlessly [TS]

01:32:51   not selling apples thing not selling [TS]

01:32:53   Google's thing like they're going to be [TS]

01:32:55   relentless [TS]

01:32:56   and they are a massive retailer and they [TS]

01:32:58   have a huge head start with developers [TS]

01:33:00   with users with the public so i really [TS]

01:33:03   think that the the Amazons really gonna [TS]

01:33:04   own this space and Google's get google i [TS]

01:33:08   think is going to have what many geeks [TS]

01:33:09   will consider the best product but it [TS]

01:33:11   won't be the most successful I think the [TS]

01:33:12   most was gonna be amazon by a longshot [TS]

01:33:14   with this and apple if they enter this [TS]

01:33:17   market at all [TS]

01:33:18   they will enter with something that I i [TS]

01:33:20   don't see being very competitive it [TS]

01:33:23   really you know I i think people will [TS]

01:33:25   buy it some people by certainly but i [TS]

01:33:27   don't see it being nearly as good as the [TS]

01:33:29   other 2 i'm still waiting for the next [TS]

01:33:32   minor advancement in what people keep [TS]

01:33:34   calling machine learning which I don't [TS]

01:33:36   like the sound of but I like it better [TS]

01:33:37   than AI which is ridiculous for the [TS]

01:33:39   level of things that are going on here [TS]

01:33:41   but just you know just these things are [TS]

01:33:44   slightly context-aware but more of that [TS]

01:33:46   like very often will be driving the car [TS]

01:33:47   and I'll hear my funding with a text [TS]

01:33:49   message and you can't read the text [TS]

01:33:51   message in the car but i would like the [TS]

01:33:53   phone to read me what the text messages [TS]

01:33:55   and there's probably some way to do that [TS]

01:33:56   on the phone [TS]

01:33:57   there is but i don't know the way and i [TS]

01:34:00   know enough about Cirie to know that if [TS]

01:34:02   I don't know the way it will just be an [TS]

01:34:04   exercise in frustration for me to try to [TS]

01:34:05   guess what i like to say is can you read [TS]

01:34:08   me that text message just came in but i [TS]

01:34:10   know that one that's closed it's closed [TS]

01:34:12   it's it's a high telephone read my [TS]

01:34:14   messages right but I don't know that and [TS]

01:34:16   so like I'm just like if I just started [TS]

01:34:18   this conversation with the phone it's [TS]

01:34:20   going to try to do a google search on [TS]

01:34:21   having something to do with messages or [TS]

01:34:23   get confused this is based on my [TS]

01:34:24   frustration with the one thing I try to [TS]

01:34:26   use my you know [TS]

01:34:27   serie works for simple things but then [TS]

01:34:29   what I my stumbling block was I kept [TS]

01:34:31   trying to use it to add items to list [TS]

01:34:33   and reminders and just frickin [TS]

01:34:35   impossible because confused about which [TS]

01:34:36   lists and trying to add to or whether [TS]

01:34:37   wants to create a list by that name it's [TS]

01:34:39   like all got you don't understand me you [TS]

01:34:41   do not understand me like just a human [TS]

01:34:43   would get this and it's not that [TS]

01:34:45   complicated to limited domain I'm [TS]

01:34:46   telling you about reminders in the list [TS]

01:34:48   items and don't ask me to create a list [TS]

01:34:50   i wanted to say no no no no you [TS]

01:34:53   misunderstand me the first time but [TS]

01:34:54   forget i'm not trying to create a list [TS]

01:34:55   take that thing in and put a reminder [TS]

01:34:57   for it because anyway it's very [TS]

01:34:59   frustrating and it makes me not want to [TS]

01:35:01   use it for things that it can probably [TS]

01:35:03   already do because i know that if i [TS]

01:35:05   don't know how to do it [TS]

01:35:06   there's no way i can have a conversation [TS]

01:35:08   with it and get it done [TS]

01:35:09   aquarius i think google is at the point [TS]

01:35:11   now where as violet you know invest case [TS]

01:35:14   with this google home thing I could ask [TS]

01:35:17   you to do something i'm hoping and have [TS]

01:35:19   it not understand what i mean but how is [TS]

01:35:21   work out through a back-and-forth [TS]

01:35:23   eventually come to an understanding [TS]

01:35:25   about what I want to happen where and [TS]

01:35:27   that's like the next smaller step again [TS]

01:35:29   limited vocabulary simpler things that [TS]

01:35:31   you can do but just limited context [TS]

01:35:33   awareness to understand that we're [TS]

01:35:35   trying to accomplish a goal here and to [TS]

01:35:38   come closer to making it happen without [TS]

01:35:40   requiring the user to know things and [TS]

01:35:43   that's just one more tiny baby step in [TS]

01:35:45   making something that I can do with my [TS]

01:35:48   fingers happen across the room with my [TS]

01:35:50   voice and we're not asking you to be my [TS]

01:35:52   pal or to be intelligent or any way or [TS]

01:35:55   to really do anything useful other than [TS]

01:35:57   let me do something i could do with a [TS]

01:35:59   remote without a remote control but even [TS]

01:36:01   that step [TS]

01:36:02   no one has really gotten they're not [TS]

01:36:04   Amazon Google and Apple and I have hopes [TS]

01:36:07   the google will be the first one to do [TS]

01:36:08   it [TS]

01:36:08   thanks for the responses this week [TS]

01:36:11   backblaze casper and betterment we'll [TS]

01:36:13   see you next week [TS]

01:36:15   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:36:20   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:36:23   death was accidental [TS]

01:36:27   John research Marco and Casey would like [TS]

01:36:33   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:36:36   accidental [TS]

01:36:37   you can find the show know the day EP [TS]

01:36:41   that and it for twitter follow them is a [TS]

01:36:50   yl ISS that's Casey list and a co-pay [TS]

01:36:56   rm20 Marco Arment and our AC Syracuse is [TS]

01:37:15   at work I have to think they're 1080 [TS]

01:37:20   monitors their lenovo monitors are [TS]

01:37:22   really super shitty I have been begging [TS]

01:37:25   for at least one 4k monitor finally I [TS]

01:37:30   have won the fight the head of IT has [TS]

01:37:34   said all right we will get you the dell [TS]

01:37:36   24 something something something 4k [TS]

01:37:38   monitor i forget the exact model name [TS]

01:37:40   but basically this is the monitor that [TS]

01:37:42   all the mac users had all the mac [TS]

01:37:44   notebook users have said this is the one [TS]

01:37:45   to get if you want 4k and the equivalent [TS]

01:37:48   dell is the one you want to get if you [TS]

01:37:49   want 5k the 5k ones $1,500 the 4k was [TS]

01:37:53   like four hundred dollars so we get it [TS]

01:37:55   in [TS]

01:37:55   speaking of amazon and things we get in [TS]

01:37:58   today I take down my to Lenovo's to put [TS]

01:38:01   this at my desk I'm happy as a pig in [TS]

01:38:03   shit i turn it on and it turns on and [TS]

01:38:06   turned right back off [TS]

01:38:07   hmm so i unplug it plug it back in turn [TS]

01:38:11   it on turns out turns right back off [TS]

01:38:12   it was DOA sadness so much sadness so [TS]

01:38:16   that is also getting return to amazon [TS]

01:38:17   although not by me because i didn't pay [TS]

01:38:19   for it but but we do have an LG g5 a 4k [TS]

01:38:23   monitor that's 27 inches that I think [TS]

01:38:25   it's too big for the DPI that it is but [TS]

01:38:28   it's still super nice and by the way did [TS]

01:38:30   you guys know that you can only get a 30 [TS]

01:38:34   hurt refresh rate on an hdmi cable off [TS]

01:38:36   him a couple of laptop off at any [TS]

01:38:39   resolution or just the 4k resolution at [TS]

01:38:41   4k 4k and so how'd you get the higher [TS]

01:38:44   ones is it just like through-and-through [TS]

01:38:45   Thunderbolt /j displayport mne [TS]

01:38:48   displayport displayport ok don't connect [TS]

01:38:50   connect monitors to computer with hdmi [TS]

01:38:52   that's the wrong tool for the job [TS]

01:38:54   yeah just feels wrong so why did the [TS]

01:38:56   world know why I'm not mad about this [TS]

01:38:58   but out of curiosity why do you say that [TS]

01:39:00   that's the TMS for TV standard it's not [TS]

01:39:03   monitor think that the connector is big [TS]

01:39:05   its made-for-television resolutions [TS]

01:39:08   where's computers you always want to [TS]

01:39:09   have a higher resolution that if you [TS]

01:39:10   possibly can [TS]

01:39:11   it's just not the right tool and you [TS]

01:39:14   know and refresh rates just got here [TS]

01:39:15   like television it does not come in at [TS]

01:39:18   220 yards or even 60 from the most cases [TS]

01:39:20   so yeah not if you have an option [TS]

01:39:24   don't use it but i have the only thing I [TS]

01:39:26   have a connect hdmi is my gaming monitor [TS]

01:39:28   that's what the the PlayStation puts out [TS]

01:39:29   and saw my mother takes that in because [TS]

01:39:31   it's kind of like a little miniature TV [TS]

01:39:32   and playing with it that's fair right [TS]

01:39:34   side no idea that was the thing until [TS]

01:39:36   today when we reconnected this LG which [TS]

01:39:39   is a very nice bond Drive really really [TS]

01:39:40   like it again I think it's a few inches [TS]

01:39:43   too big but I i like it all in all and [TS]

01:39:46   actually we're ordering a like 22 or 24 [TS]

01:39:49   inch 4k equivalent LG monitor to replace [TS]

01:39:52   the DOA del-one you know for love only [TS]

01:39:55   apple had an external monitor and if [TS]

01:39:58   only that would be amazing but now so [TS]

01:40:01   anyway so I see idea i had no idea that [TS]

01:40:04   you couldn't get 60 Hertz off hdmi [TS]

01:40:06   coming off a mac laptop with the new [TS]

01:40:07   hdmi standards you can again your timing [TS]

01:40:10   here is terrible it is very likely i [TS]

01:40:13   mean you know obviously don't don't [TS]

01:40:15   believe it til we see it but i would say [TS]

01:40:17   it is it is at least moderately likely [TS]

01:40:19   that we're gonna have new laptops with [TS]

01:40:22   the new monitor but in the month that [TS]

01:40:24   being said you probably can't drive it [TS]

01:40:26   with your current laptop [TS]

01:40:28   well yeah you can if it has you can have [TS]

01:40:30   a graphics card on the inside yeah but I [TS]

01:40:33   mean we'll get that will get that right [TS]

01:40:34   at that must be hard i'm alright are you [TS]

01:40:37   really expecting a monitor like I'm not [TS]

01:40:39   gonna have that my dentist hopes i'm [TS]

01:40:40   likejust feelings to forget laptops [TS]

01:40:42   please like that's it i would guess that [TS]

01:40:45   the 5k monitor comes with the new [TS]

01:40:48   laptops i don't think they're gonna wait [TS]

01:40:49   for the mac pro if there really is a [TS]

01:40:52   five-game monitor without the mac [TS]

01:40:53   products like I guess you can hook it up [TS]

01:40:55   to your laptop getting Apple gives a [TS]

01:40:58   shit what the mac pro anymore i think [TS]

01:40:59   it's very clearly don't right i mean [TS]

01:41:01   come on so it's just so absurd so absurd [TS]

01:41:04   i am not particularly convinced that we [TS]

01:41:06   will get a an external monitor this [TS]

01:41:08   month [TS]

01:41:09   however if we do get it i absolutely [TS]

01:41:12   agree with Marco that it will come with [TS]

01:41:13   the laptops in the mac pro will be a [TS]

01:41:15   fart in the wind [TS]

01:41:16   I know I'm just saying is it is so it's [TS]

01:41:19   so weird I mean I guess they're selling [TS]

01:41:22   the GPU and it's like Oh your wimpy [TS]

01:41:23   laptop can't drive this mighty monitor [TS]

01:41:25   but it's got a GPU in it so here's your [TS]

01:41:27   solution i mean it's it's a little bit [TS]

01:41:29   of a hack but I don't think it's weird [TS]

01:41:30   to target the laptop as the primary [TS]

01:41:32   consumer for this monitor because nobody [TS]

01:41:34   buys mac pros and when those that really [TS]

01:41:36   it's weird to have such a man [TS]

01:41:38   it monitors a higher listen to your [TS]

01:41:40   laptop like I don't know I don't know [TS]

01:41:43   why you say that because most people in [TS]

01:41:45   like I haven't used a desktop computer [TS]

01:41:47   work since 2008 dish 7-inch something [TS]

01:41:52   like that right but do you need a 5k [TS]

01:41:54   monitor right is it's so like a 4k yeah [TS]

01:41:57   by all means like that's kind of the [TS]

01:41:58   standard fancy monitor for your friends [TS]

01:42:00   laptop and and the big thing in my [TS]

01:42:02   office anyways multiple monitors [TS]

01:42:03   multiple smaller monitors right but just [TS]

01:42:07   one big massive one especially since [TS]

01:42:09   this this monitor is probably cost more [TS]

01:42:11   than any other laptops the base price [TS]

01:42:13   hanging overhead is the most expensive [TS]

01:42:14   thing in your desk is not the computer [TS]

01:42:16   but the display it just seems like a [TS]

01:42:17   display made for the highest of the high [TS]

01:42:20   end the most expensive the biggest [TS]

01:42:22   single screen intelligence to slightly [TS]

01:42:24   smaller screens and that all says mac [TS]

01:42:27   pro to me but I'm old what I think that [TS]

01:42:29   what you're not realizing is that like [TS]

01:42:32   my entire company nobody has a desktop [TS]

01:42:34   everyone has laptops either Lenovo's [TS]

01:42:36   know everyone's lap tops of my work too [TS]

01:42:38   I'm the only does not accept you company [TS]

01:42:40   yeah i think it was great my work was a [TS]

01:42:43   asking me about on another some some of [TS]

01:42:45   their terrible spyware of stuff was not [TS]

01:42:48   correctly reporting back or whatever [TS]

01:42:49   like to we have records that there's a [TS]

01:42:53   mac mini with this serial number [TS]

01:42:56   do you happen to have that like em don't [TS]

01:42:59   have a mac mini bottle check the serial [TS]

01:43:02   number and it was a serial number of my [TS]

01:43:03   gigantic cheese grater but so apparently [TS]

01:43:05   someone has a catalog this and to put [TS]

01:43:07   the little stickers on a reverend wrote [TS]

01:43:08   down my serial number and decided this [TS]

01:43:11   thing size of refrigerators a mac mini [TS]

01:43:13   nice they do that's what I didn't know [TS]

01:43:16   what it is don't even know what this is [TS]

01:43:17   no its a Mac is going to join Apple logo [TS]

01:43:19   on the side of it but they have no idea [TS]

01:43:20   what the hell does everything else [TS]

01:43:21   laptops so the reason that this became [TS]

01:43:25   relevant and the reason I was able to [TS]

01:43:26   sell this to the IT department was [TS]

01:43:28   because on these 1080 monitors if I if I [TS]

01:43:32   try to use the iPhone simulator [TS]

01:43:34   full-size because it's all pixel [TS]

01:43:37   Dumbledore whatever the term is no its [TS]

01:43:38   retina it i can see like half of it on [TS]

01:43:41   screen actually sent the IT guy a [TS]

01:43:43   screenshot admittedly was a plus like a [TS]

01:43:45   success plus simulator and I could see [TS]

01:43:48   like the dock on my 1080 monitor that [TS]

01:43:51   was about it [TS]

01:43:52   gonna run a non native res like the life [TS]

01:43:54   on success users so I mean that's what I [TS]

01:43:56   used to do or well still do right now is [TS]

01:43:58   I would run it at like half size or [TS]

01:44:01   whatever but then what ended up [TS]

01:44:02   happening was I especially when doing [TS]

01:44:04   you I work it was a total pain in the [TS]

01:44:05   butt because I would like drop the the [TS]

01:44:08   single pixel border between tableview [TS]

01:44:10   cells or things along those lines and so [TS]

01:44:13   I'm not even seeing like a terribly [TS]

01:44:14   accurate representation of the screen [TS]

01:44:16   and so that's why i said hey listen I'd [TS]

01:44:18   really like to get a retina external [TS]

01:44:20   monitor and eventually my complaining [TS]

01:44:24   and moaning finally got hurt / he didn't [TS]

01:44:26   want to hear it anymore and so that's [TS]

01:44:29   what they ordered this dell and [TS]

01:44:30   unfortunately the thing was DOA but yeah [TS]

01:44:33   I mean I I'm I i would love to have like [TS]

01:44:37   a couple of 22 24 inch 4k monitors and [TS]

01:44:41   that's what i have now is is a couple of [TS]

01:44:42   1080 monitors but that's not enough [TS]

01:44:45   resolution these days you have multi [TS]

01:44:47   monitor problems at your office is there [TS]

01:44:50   like one person in the office who has [TS]

01:44:54   like six monitors [TS]

01:44:55   no but one of the reasons that i had to [TS]

01:44:58   complain and moan a lot to get this [TS]

01:45:00   monitor was because the IT dude knew [TS]

01:45:03   full well that once i get this new [TS]

01:45:06   hotness people will start smelling blood [TS]

01:45:08   in the water and everyone will start [TS]

01:45:10   saying well I want that and you know [TS]

01:45:12   from his perspective it makes perfect [TS]

01:45:14   sense that he needs to be able to [TS]

01:45:15   justify this added expenditure over the [TS]

01:45:17   cost of a 1080p monitor and so now he's [TS]

01:45:21   going to have these people coming out of [TS]

01:45:22   the woodwork saying oh me too me too me [TS]

01:45:23   too and in reality the only people that [TS]

01:45:27   really makes sense for is designers / [TS]

01:45:29   possibly most likely and iOS developers [TS]

01:45:32   and I was actually talking to one of our [TS]

01:45:33   Android developers and about all this [TS]

01:45:35   and he was like yeah I have no need for [TS]

01:45:36   that whatsoever [TS]

01:45:37   I'd like it but i have no need for it [TS]

01:45:39   crappy 17-inch non-retina dell monitors [TS]

01:45:42   kind of litter our hallways you stepping [TS]

01:45:44   on like leaves in the fall just walking [TS]

01:45:46   around the office it's not some people [TS]

01:45:48   who like it's kind of like people who [TS]

01:45:50   had you know materials were scarce [TS]

01:45:52   during the Depression so they become [TS]

01:45:53   older and they just always save their [TS]

01:45:55   cans or whatever right [TS]

01:45:56   these people must have lived through a [TS]

01:45:58   monitor drought and so now they're 20 [TS]

01:46:02   and they just they just scooped up [TS]

01:46:04   really all the crappy 17 [TS]

01:46:05   angel monitors and put them all on their [TS]

01:46:08   desk so I think the biggest one I've [TS]

01:46:10   seen as someone who has an arrangement [TS]

01:46:12   6i think it's 3 over 3 i'm doing but [TS]

01:46:14   really you know anyway I crazy monitor [TS]

01:46:18   arms with sit there and these are the [TS]

01:46:20   six of the worst monitors you've ever [TS]

01:46:21   seen right things are not good monitor [TS]

01:46:23   is not a good viewing angle but there [TS]

01:46:25   are six of them i think someone might [TS]

01:46:26   have broken the record before and had [TS]

01:46:28   them into more has arranged but the six [TS]

01:46:29   of the most impressive because I kind of [TS]

01:46:31   curves around and this that the thing [TS]

01:46:33   that holds the six monitors and credit [TS]

01:46:35   is incredibly impressive looking i [TS]

01:46:37   really i think it is three high that's [TS]

01:46:39   why it looks like this taller but who [TS]

01:46:41   would like that's for a computer that [TS]

01:46:43   you see in the movies who would actually [TS]

01:46:45   want to look at 67 inch dell monitors [TS]

01:46:47   craning your neck around and try like [TS]

01:46:49   especially since all these people use [TS]

01:46:51   light text on a dark background in the [TS]

01:46:52   terminal windows with with a non IPS [TS]

01:46:55   display with those viewing angles you [TS]

01:46:58   can't read anything on those and you [TS]

01:46:59   know like just like get a stool and you [TS]

01:47:02   know get head onto the upper left corner [TS]

01:47:04   monitor to see any beyond anyway those [TS]

01:47:07   be like are punishing themselves like [TS]

01:47:08   it's reverse kinda like monitors [TS]

01:47:10   monitors everywhere I have so many [TS]

01:47:11   monitors i have to multiply three [TS]

01:47:13   monitors on a power user i have four [TS]

01:47:14   monitors why you know it's just it's [TS]

01:47:16   it's an art crazy arms race doesn't make [TS]

01:47:18   any sense to me [TS]

01:47:19   alright here i am sitting with my single [TS]

01:47:21   very small non-retina monitor but i [TS]

01:47:24   still think it looks better than the [TS]

01:47:25   other things they just need a JP set up [TS]

01:47:28   and we'll be good to go [TS]

01:47:29   that's a reference oh and speaking of [TS]

01:47:32   work hardware I've now broken my second [TS]

01:47:35   keyboard never keeping track this is a [TS]

01:47:37   2009 macro i use the keyboard they came [TS]

01:47:40   within which I like it's the current [TS]

01:47:41   keyboard that I use at home as well as [TS]

01:47:43   the apple into extended keyboard i like [TS]

01:47:44   it because it has low key press effort [TS]

01:47:49   required is good for my RSI I don't like [TS]

01:47:51   the half-size function keys but it has [TS]

01:47:53   real arrow keys anyway I i like this [TS]

01:47:55   keyboard I broke one of them three or [TS]

01:47:58   four years into it got a new replacement [TS]

01:48:01   today deaky stopped working which is a [TS]

01:48:03   surprisingly commonly used key so for [TS]

01:48:05   half the day today I was copying and [TS]

01:48:07   pasting a d2l sir I'm right I'm writing [TS]

01:48:11   variable names and I'm getting good like [TS]

01:48:13   ready like product PR 0 [TS]

01:48:15   command V UCT uh I spent one day in [TS]

01:48:21   order in the keyboard [TS]