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let's take a pause here so i can adjust
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my level Samarkand messing with my dolls
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is killing me alright this is not
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sounding better and that tends to work
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on some girls is a volume dial and a
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mixed aisle and like every time I think
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I have you at the right volume than I
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talking to I can't hear myself from
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blasting my eardrums see this is so so
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the rule of audio stuff is once you get
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it working don't touch it never touch it
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yeah I don't touch the dials but
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somebody or some something touched my
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dials and now I and the worst thing
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about these thousands their tiny little
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dials don't have markings on them so
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even if i did like take a picture of
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them like there's no there's not
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yeah it wasn't with my suggestion was
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gonna be like I actually earlier tonight
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I yesterday I had to change one of the
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settings on my audio interface so today
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i was looking for for the show tonight I
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went and looked at my picture that i
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keep of it set up correctly and I
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adjusted the knob that change earlier to
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match the photo of my correct setup it's
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something i highly recommend if you have
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the ability to have an audio interface
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where like it has knobs with lines on
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them to show you where they are
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so you can actually like kind of
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basically save and restore state at the
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most manual way possible
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you remember this microphone looks like
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the ones like it has these tiny little
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like almost like a little horizontal
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they're inside the device and only the
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little curved part of them is peeking
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out and there's no markings on them
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it's no good the only thing I take
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pictures of it that way is how cables
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are connected in the back of my AV setup
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and how things are arranged on shelves
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ok the cables makes sense the shelves
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like first of all how often do things
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get moved on your shelves that this
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would even be a problem in second of all
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who cares surprisingly often i made like
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what I resent it was flipped one of my
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shelves big wooden shelves are like
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Boeing and I want to flip it over right
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and so I have to take a shot of the
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shelf so I know everything goes then
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take everything off seven fit over and
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then put everything back on i went to
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the apple store twice actually wants to
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buy some dongles just to have them even
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though I haven't really needed them yet
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for ten dollars a pop one out by fuso
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about 3 to sprinkle around the house /
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cars and i briefly looked at the matte
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black and remember this was before after
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the show once before the last show and
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it was pretty but i prefer the
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aesthetics of
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I'm sorry the jet black it was pretty
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but i prefer the aesthetics of the matte
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black so the jet-black definitely
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good-looking phone prefer the mat but
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then i think was during the show that
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you guys didn't or at least you Marco
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and I were talking about it and you and
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you ask me or somebody asked me if if it
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felt any tackier attack here in the
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sense of like stickier if you will and
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it occurred to me i didn't really pay
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much attention to that which is kind of
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crazy I don't know why I didn't think
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about it but I went back to the apple
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store and spent about 45 seconds there
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and I grabbed the one jet black demo
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units that they have and i'll tell you
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what based on feel there is no question
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that is the one to get without a shadow
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of a doubt it feels so much better
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tackiness wise stickiness wise if you
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will then the matte black
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I still think the matte black looks
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better but o night and day the jet-black
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feel so much better and you're
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absolutely right so hashtag marco was
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right all right i finally got one
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I'm wrong about so many other things
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yeah well you can't win em all sort of
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kind of speaking of last we spoke you
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seemed like you were starting to warm to
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the home button
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have you completely warm to it are you
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back to give me the cold shoulder where
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you standing with the home button it's
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fine you know it's what I want to go
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back and use an old phone now it feels
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thanks a lot Apple you ruin buttons here
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haha but uh so I I suppose that means I
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like it
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it is a little bit annoying that has
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become that it it took something that
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was reliable and and made it just a
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little bit less than reliable and and
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that's kinda mean this is you know the
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the the motto of so many other things or
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like this is like the the modus operandi
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of like so much of the progress we've
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made in these areas recently where like
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yeah you don't you made the old thing
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better than a lot of ways but but you
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know worsen in some other you know
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smaller maybe or less important to those
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people way but anyway
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overall I like it but i but I i do find
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it unfortunate that it has become a
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little bit less reliable than a regular
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button do you find yourself means that
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often because I definitely have had a
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full of time maybe more than a couple
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but every once in awhile i will find
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that I think I've hit the button and the
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phone does not agree but it's pretty
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darn rare it but from the way you're
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talking it sounds like it's somewhat
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common for you know I mean I just hit
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the button a lot you to me like this is
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one of the problems I have with the
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force touch trackpad on on the max and
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is that the 46 trackpad took something
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you know it if you were one of the
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people who clicked in the bottom area of
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the trackpad and I recognize the force
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structure is better because you have you
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can click anywhere on the surface but if
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you if you were one of the people who
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came along the old track where the
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button is used to be below it so you hit
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the button with your thumb and you movie
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point with your index finger or
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something or usually middle finger i
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guess and then when they removed the
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buttons they made the whole thing hinges
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that way so that you could basically
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leave your hand the same way it always
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you could leave your thumb pushing down
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on the bottom area where the button is
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used to be and have that click and then
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still move with your index and middle
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finger so so if you're one of the people
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who came along the old button felt great
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because you were already clicking always
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in the bottom area anyway so if you're
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one of those people which of course I am
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because we are all ancient complicated
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people who like you snapchat and stuff
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so if you're one of those people
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the old one was incredibly reliable the
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the idea that you would ever assuming
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you don't use text click the idea that
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you would ever like accidentally click
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on something on the trackpad or or think
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you're clicking but not have actually
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clicked that literally would never
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happen with the old ones and with force
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touch trackpads that sometimes happens
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similarly with the new home but on the
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phones like it's really hard to
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accidentally hit the home button on the
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old phones like if you mean to hit you
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hit and with this one like you can
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occasionally accidentally push it where
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you meant to maybe just touch it or you
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meant to you know grip it a certain way
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or you can accidentally triple-click
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when you want to double click or single
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clicker or vice versa you can
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accidentally trigger serie if you didn't
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mean to you can actually this is a
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frequent accident trigger reach ability
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by you know but if you think you're
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pushing it or think you're holding it I
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think your double pressing it but you
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have to get double contacted it's
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whatever their disability things up so
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basically they took something that that
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again was a mechanically general
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reliable thing and and made it do the
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wrong thing maybe one percent of the
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time for me it's very frustrating when
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an input device doesn't respond a
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hundred percent of the time correctly
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because we use input devices so much on
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these computers & and we use them to
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command them to do things that if like
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if you hit if you hit the keyboard if
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you hit the same key over and over again
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and every like one of 40 times like the
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H throws out a day instead like your
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label this this is the worst keyboard
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ever like why would you tolerate that
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right i feel like i have a very very
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high standard for how I expect my input
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devices to be how reliable expect them
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to be and it does annoy me when we we
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make progress but at the cost of that
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reliability that we used to have and
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anything less than a hundred percent
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reliability for me is annoying and it
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doesn't that's not to say that i won't
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just deal with it it like when the new
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laptops come out forever from now on
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whenever then whenever the new laptops
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come out i'm probably gonna buy one even
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though it's almost certainly going to
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have the same force touch trackpad we've
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had and I'm just gonna have to suck it
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up and deal with it and it'll be fine
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just in you know just like I'm probably
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never going to mention the home button
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being unreliable a little bit on the
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iphone 7 probably never gonna mention it
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again because I'm just gonna get used to
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it and i'll just be a little bit annoyed
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whatever it doesn't work then just move
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on with my day
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right but we are losing something here
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by making things that were a hundred
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percent reliable ninety-nine percent
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reliable and that that's all
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but but overall i'm i'm ok with it look
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like the idea that you're never gonna
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mention it again
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yeah that's that's me I maybe I should
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guarantee that seems very unlikely but
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you know just just just again just to
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restate like the the summary here
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overall I like the new button i do like
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the taptic engine a lot overall and am I
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want to go back the old one does feel
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so you know they got me right and i I'm
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I'm sold
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however it is a little annoying that
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can't be that can't be a hundred percent
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reliable so I don't know about this home
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buttons i still haven't tried it but as
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for the trackbed I continue to say that
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you will eventually look back on the
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mechanical ones and think they're
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barbaric and I would
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add that for most people maybe not you
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but for most people i've seen and myself
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included using the mechanical one
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whether it was the button or the one
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where didn't have a button but the whole
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thing slanted not a hundred percent
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reliable very frequently attempt to
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click and not actually click if you're
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if you're not using tap to click happens
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to me every once in a while I seem to
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happen to people all the time so it's
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not as there's more to the reliability
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than just like if you successfully
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actuate the mechanism you will you will
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do a click and because that's true of
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anything you sexually at successfully
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the percentage was different for you but
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drive any problems with the home button
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had an unintentional fire or a lack of
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fire on the force touch trackpad so you
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find these issues not the only one but
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the only one I've heard of that is found
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these issues so congrats i guess not
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really sure where to go from here right
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you still don't have a force to attract
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better than the one you use for podcast
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editing right the magic trackpad that's
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attract rights to know i hit track guys
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magic trackpad either but I think once
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assuming they will someday release and
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it has the trackbed that's I think it's
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when you're real transition is going to
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the only thing you're using is that
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the very frequently am i'm trying to
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press anywhere on the thing to make it
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click and it just doesn't it it feels
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vibration thing and you know
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much more awkward to me and to press it
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anywhere in a way that it doesn't when I
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use the forest trackpads on the big
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yeah i mean look like the the home
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button turns out after use it for like a
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day you completely stopped noticing it
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except for when it was the wrong thing
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substantial problem at all and in some
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ways that benefit so it is not every if
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you don't yet have an iphone 7 the home
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button change is not a good enough
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reason to not get one if that was your
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only reason what i would say yeah i mean
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i prefer it now and yes we spoke about
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last episode I hated it for the first
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domino day or so and then I've quickly
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come around now I freaking love it and
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like you said that the little tactic
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touches that are throughout the OS like
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on spinners and things like that a
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really really like them i think they're
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really well done i'm looking forward to
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those little tactic touches its kind of
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proliferating through third-party apps
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as well so we'll see
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moving on a listener Sid sent me an
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email and i think this one only to me
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earlier today they had the same weird
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issue with their I'm act with with their
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5k imac and wc ram and apparently they
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had gone back and forth with owc trying
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different sticks and then just recently
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they sent an email to me forward an
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email to me from owc and it said a few
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things but most interestingly this is
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from owc we have recently located a
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coding fault in these modules and are
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currently refreshing our stock in order
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to rectify this
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I don't know what a coding fault is in
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was broken with the ram and they've
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recognized it and they're trying to fix
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my computer had been up I think tender
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15 ish days before i installed Sierra
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it's been eight days since then i
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wouldn't call that an absolute victory
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for my replacement sticks which i did
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get from owc but certainly all signs are
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pointing to good news and so I just
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thought that was kinda interesting do
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you guys have any idea what a coating
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fault would mean and
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terms of ram I mean there's probably
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some kind of like timing and stuff like
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you know Ram obviously everything every
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component in the computer is now way
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more complicated than it used to be or
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way more complicated than we think it is
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so like this product I you know a ram
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stick could have firmware for all I know
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who knows i get it you know the ram has
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all these like tight timings and
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controllers and everything in them so it
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you know it could be it could be lots of
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things like that
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fair enough John you don't have anything
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to add i assume i have no idea what a
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coding fault is configured enough
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already
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at least i'm not alone that makes me
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feel slightly better right moving on we
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also got word that from Scott Riley
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among other people that the headphone
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jack issue that he had reported in 1000
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has been fixed intento de su so if you
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recall if you had your i believe it's
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only with the dongles that right are
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generally speaking with the dongle you
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had some headphones like perhaps the
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older earbuds plugged into the Lightning
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to headphone dongle and you pause
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something and let it sit for five more
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minutes then the buttons on the
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headphones would not allow you to
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unpause them or unpause the the playback
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in so Scott and Scott Riley as reported
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in that this is now fixed so good news
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cool I'm excited about that Eduardo
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Pellegrino road in to talk to us about
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how volume works on bluetooth so I don't
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know Marco you want to take care of this
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yeah I'll go over quickly basically
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we're discussing in previous episodes
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about the question of whether bluetooth
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was recoding the audio to be sent over
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the air to between the phone bluetooth
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headsets one of the issues raised if you
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if you tried not to re-encode the audio
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was that we said you probably couldn't
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change the volume of water Pellegrino
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wrote in to basically tell us that with
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any modern blue peripheral the digital
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signal is a full amplitude and the
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volume controls being applied only at
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the headset volume level is negotiated
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between the phone and the headset
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there's all sorts of stuff involved in
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the avrcp spec almost every in almost
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every case of modern bluetooth
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headphones the signals being sent at
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full volume from the phone and the
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headphone itself is applying the the
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volume reduction or whatever to it that
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shows you could be sending the AC more
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easily but like it
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the the important part of the volume
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talk about her like out sometimes you
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can just like the volume your control
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the volume on your phone and changes in
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your headphones that that's actually
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working in the opposite direction that
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when you do that it's the headset and
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the phone negotiating that when they
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press the volume buttons on the phone
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send a signal to the headphones like the
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phone is controlling the headphone
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volume the headphones are controlling
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the phone volume and I mean right like
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when you press that button you're
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actually sending a signal to the head
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phones to say hello back over the phone
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they said they want the volume lower and
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then the phone that the headset the
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bluetooth device itself lowest volume
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then we also heard word a or we've
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already heard word there are three
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digital-to-analog converters in the
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iphone 7 and we weren't really sure why
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and we got some feedback with the theory
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market you want to talk about this
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yeah this was this was i think one of my
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favorite thing i heard this week so we
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have an email back and it was from
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somebody who want to remain anonymous
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but it seemed like they kind of had this
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as like known information not
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speculation but the the so there are
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basically three audio chips in the
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iphone 7 we couldn't figure out with a
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thermistor really well maybe they're
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using it like just freaking news for
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cable routing whatever else so this
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person to tell us that was actually used
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for is the taptic engine it seems like
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it might just behave like a speaker coil
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you know you have at the the coils that
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that move the stuff around inside of it
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to make the field vibrate the commands
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that the phone is sending to the taptic
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engine it seems like it's doing it via
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audio signaling it's just it's not a
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speaker it's just a vibrating you know
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weight or whatever it is in there but
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isn't that like that to me that sounds
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really cool is it that such a brilliant
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act like that is that what you guys are
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sooo meant to
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that's what I assume the taptic engine
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always was because it is basically
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speaker without the cone when you have a
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speaker its best thing moving back and
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forth but there's no paper cone or
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whatever moving air so that's what
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always looks like it looks like a big
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magnet coil of wire type thingy
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yeah and so if you think about like you
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know like how how the phone would drive
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that it's it's basically sending it like
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midi notes almost like you eat whatever
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you're feeling the phone like uh and and
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like it's instead of being a cone that's
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providing that set a sound it is
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vibrating the thing inside at the
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probably like you know one or two six
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frequencies and just like dealing with
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the timing industry
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then everything that I think that's
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really cool yeah I never thought of it
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that way but that is super awesome and
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is there some difference in the way the
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taptic engine is is working that maybe
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the new one is much better and that's
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why it's you don't get that that control
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in that API for the success taptic
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engine isn't that the case that the
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success taptic engine you don't get any
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control over as a developer but the
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seven you do that yet basically or at
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least the success you have very little
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control and the Seven you have basically
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full control you should look at the
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seven to see if it has a an audio thing
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for the taptic engine maybe does or it
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could be that the old ones just
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basically on off in the only way you get
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different sort of vibration themes or
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sequences by going on often different
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frequencies whereas this one we could
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dig through iOS maybe you could find
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like the audio samples that they send to
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the virtual speaker that is the taptic
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engine rather than just going on off on
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off on off just send tones or
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frequencies or sounds a bit will be a
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good jailbreak hack if you could play
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music through the haptic engine and see
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what does that like the floppy disk
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feeling basic rhythm you know it's like
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speaker and that's pretty cool
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they give us any more control over time
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with that we need to be able to do you
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know have some more fine-grained control
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assistive touch so we've been talking
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about this quite a bit and there's been
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a couple of new theories as to why I
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guess this is happening John do you want
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why assistive touch so prevalent in east
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in that region sort of the non United
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States Europe regions are the criteria
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parts now I can understand why this
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would be something that happens in like
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me you're selling into you know markets
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that you sell lesson that you make less
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money and
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you have parts that are not as good you
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might sell the creditor ones into the
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market where you make less money it
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doesn't seem like a thing that apple
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would ever do it seems to me that Apple
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has a certain quality control procedure
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products and that's that but but who
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knows maybe they know better than I do
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but there's also sounds like one of the
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things like so many companies have done
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that they just assume everybody does it
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that would explain like you know we are
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home buttons are worse than yours
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essentially like I live in Thailand and
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our home buttons break more than yours
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do because we get the crappy home
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buttons and you don't
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setting aside like you know the iphone 4
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was bad for everybody right so that's
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one idea another idea heard put forth is
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it's really humid here and humid
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destroys our electronics sooner than
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yours like always going towards the
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notion that empirically home buttons do
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not last as long in this region of the
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world either because they're getting
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cheaper parts or because they're getting
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the same parts and they get messed up by
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humanity now both of these sound like
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things that sound plausible but don't
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really don't don't really make that much
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sense to me because I can tell you in
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the United States at least we have
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plenty of humidity just ask casey i
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think we have me in places that about
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anybody you don't hear about people in
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Louisiana and Georgia having home
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buttons that fail more often than people
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in Arizona right so I don't think that's
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it and the cheaper parts thing on only
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Apple knows for sure right it's not like
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they're going to admit this but it just
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doesn't seem like a thing that apple
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would do I think they have you know for
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all their suppliers have quality control
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standards and just apply them
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universally and if they don't meet the
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quality standards they you know send
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them back around and recycle things and
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try again
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that makes sense so we've gotten word
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that in iOS 10 iCloud backup so really
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restores i guess i should say now
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include passwords now if you recall and
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i think i first heard this from Marco
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years ago but all three of us had
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recommended that if you're going to back
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up your phone
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the most reliable or / maybe perhaps
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easiest way to do it is to backup with
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itunes and ensure that you've checked
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the encrypt backups checkbox and so this
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made this password protects your backups
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and then because it's password-protected
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Apple feels like
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Oh in this case I guess we can include
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like Wi-Fi passwords and things like
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that in the back up if you don't encrypt
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your backup then the backup will not
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include Wi-Fi passwords and things of
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that nature which makes sense now
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apparently I in iOS 10 iCloud backups
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and restores now include passwords which
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is excellent i didn't know that was a
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thing you have to learn to read the code
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of the note the show notes one of the
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trends actually say they don't say I i
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was ten my cloud restores now included
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passwords right what do they say I see a
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question mark at the end of that
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sentence iOS 10 iCloud restores now
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include passwords ? at the end because i
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have heard this as well none of us have
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actually confirmed it but I seen a
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couple of tweets that effect that not
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tried it myself but in theory they now
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include passwords i was only one of you
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knew for sure if you had done it but
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anyway no but I've heard this in
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independently several different times
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yeah i know im just understanding go and
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look it up an apple site and I haven't
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done it myself so don't tell people hey
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don't worry about just use iCloud will
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have everything but I seems like fingers
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crossed this will be the last update
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where we were you have to hear the the
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spiel from everybody who's on a tech
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podcast saying oh make sure you do an
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encrypted itunes backup and I like this
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because i hate itunes backup I hate the
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fact that i connect my thing at the time
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that says it failed to connect the
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device or backup failed for some reason
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that you can't control it just reboot
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everything and cross your fingers i hate
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it so much
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really yes it's the work you know maybe
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you should get a newer mac because i
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don't have anything that said on a 5k
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imac is a five-year contract with an
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iphone like a success plus really like
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my wife's device in my kids devices is
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completely inscrutable and I kind of
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know like the one I can't connect to the
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process on the phone and I just messed
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up you just have to like reboot them
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both and just get it just stores and
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halftime fails in the middle for some
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reason it's like well I couldn't do it
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sorry and it's always had like 20
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minutes of incredibly slow transfer over
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USB two speeds from this hate it so much
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so i'll be very happy to have this bi
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cloud thing that that is first
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terrible's iCloud restore is where it
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takes forever dear apps to come back and
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everything at least did in my experience
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it runs unattended so i could start the
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restore and then go to sleep and leave
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it plugged in and wake up and hopefully
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we'll be done where is now the itunes
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it's like make an attempt come back and
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5 10 50
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minutes to see if it failed it has do a
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bunch of rain dances make another
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attempt
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I really don't like itunes interaction
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with iOS devices at all never really
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liked it and just getting worse
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that's so weird to me because I almost
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never have any issues with with itunes
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backups and i have heard although I have
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not seen this with my own eyes I've
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heard numerous people complaining and
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moaning about how terrible and flaky I
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iCloud backup sorry well backups and
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restores and I mean it doesn't mean
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you're wrong doesn't mean I'm right it's
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surprising that your experience seems to
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be the opposite of everything I've heard
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also i mean we have a lot of you know
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friends and at least two of the host of
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the show are early adopters you like to
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buy things on day one and on day one
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sometimes the IDI cloud servers get
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overloaded or the app store service get
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overloaded and things don't quite work
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reliably and so you know we had a one
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people will all will usually have more
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reliable experiences without with itunes
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backup and restore in that case because
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we're avoiding all those day one server
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hassles whereas John who buys phones
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when they're you know 3 34 years old
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once he's really sure that everything is
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safe about them you know he he by that
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point that everything has calmed down
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with servers and he doesn't those issues
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now the main reason the reason I was
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safe for people to see if I could have
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ios and icloud three stores now have
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passwords on them as we think the main
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reason to do is to save as the space
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because the backups are big trip like
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they're not the full size of your
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storage you know we have various you
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know if endings and maybe not transfer
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purchases or whatever but they're big
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enough that if you have a family full of
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iOS devices you have a single mac with a
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regular person size of SD you're wasting
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a huge amount of your SSD Space nine are
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wasting right but you're using a huge
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amount of your SSD space for device
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backups say you get a family with a
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bunch of 128 gig devices and you back
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them all up to a single mac that you
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said all just got the 500 gig SSD you
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will use all of your space for iOS
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device backups and I'm not you know the
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cloud is not a perfect backup and
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cambios to and if you really care about
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the stuff that's on your phone have
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multiple backup so on and so forth but
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it always annoys me when I'm like
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discriminatory acts that ancient program
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it still works or any other programs
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that show you like the tree map of your
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hard drive with the you know area on
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this little area
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the rectangles representing sighs and I
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see the giant thing for you know Mobile
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back-up whatever that folder is I think
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don't need all those backups how many
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backups do I have and I just you know
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you can go to go in items and delete
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them into them out but they take up a
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lot of room so I will be very happy when
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I can sort of allow iCloud to be my main
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backup for my thing and only back after
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Mac periodically as like a belt and
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suspenders typing like once every few
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months and only keep one backup not keep
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not keep like backups you know 7recent
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back that's just one an emergency
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because for the most part most of the
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data that's on my phone should be
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elsewhere all the photos go to
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photostream photostream goes to photos
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photos gets backed up in 17 million
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places because of my crazy photos back
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those photos are fine everything else
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like notes and stuff like that is in
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theory backed up locally on my mac these
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are sinking to the same account in fact
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multiple macs so I feel like I just
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still have multiple backups and I'm
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totally ready to not waste my SSD space
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with itunes backups as soon as I can we
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the past tracker is a little coin-sized
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device that helps you locate misplaced
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computers and engine control units and
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very high-tech thing McLaren is a
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high-tech companies not a bunch of
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people with crazy overalls slapping
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together cars there a tech company at
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not they're not actually even a car
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company they're basically a technology
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company just like Apple it happened to
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make cars their manufacturing expertise
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in terms of pushing the limits on new
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materials and how to build build cars in
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new ways that new materials was touted
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by many people of all the balls to point
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stuff for their electronic cars
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everything like that so in general and I
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don't know if every single one of these
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emails coming from like the 10 the town
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in England where there they store well
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that's not wandering don't even know you
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it's obvious not a small f1 so you got
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us there is not we do not follow and I
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popular in America kind of like soccer
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yeah forgive us where American right we
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don't know but I do know a lot about
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mclaren though and most of the things
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they're saying about carbon fiber and
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the technology and all itself guess
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that's all true but i still go back to
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what I said
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last show which is investment
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partnership yeah totally because million
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companies they can investment have
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partnerships with and there's certain
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things i can get from them and from
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every other company that they've been in
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the auto industry that might have
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something they could build something for
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them or whatever but in terms of buying
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them outright
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that's that's a whole other story
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like I just for this way it's kind of
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like when i started my nintendo half of
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it is I think it would be a great idea
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but the other half would have to admit
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by McLaren and not let it continue to do
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what it has done for most of my life
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which is no I most of my life but since
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the nineties or whatever like they make
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supercars right and i like that they
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make supercars and I don't want them to
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stop doing that even though that may not
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be the most important business or the
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main business or their area of expertise
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or whatever you know whatever aspect you
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think that is not important part of
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their business
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Apple's not interested in selling two
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hundred $300,000 cars I don't think
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right maybe maybe John will have the
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aplicar addition that will be expensive
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item from solid gold but I don't want
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someone to buy McLaren and stop it from
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doing what it does and i bet the people
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who like f1 don't want Apple by McLaren
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and say yeah we're not doing that f1
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thing anymore right
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if they only want them for their
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expertise and in-car to Lima tree and
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engine control units and manufacturing
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stuff then just partner with them but I
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don't want them to buy them because I
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feel like what McLaren is doing does not
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fit with apple or i can imagine how
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Apple ever wanted to do and so you
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either by them and just let them
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continue to be mclaren which is weird
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like beets kind of thing but it's not
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but not as much synergy because beats
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closer to apples business then what
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mclaren does or you just partner with
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them so and then the other part is that
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the mass manufacturing would be like
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they know how to build things they're
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graded it like those supercars are not
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built in the same way as toyotas you
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cannot build hundreds of thousands of
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cars the way they built the p1 you just
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can't get different technique now it's
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great that they're advancing the
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state-of-the-art and find new ways to
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build things there helped a lot of
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people more people doing things with
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their hands and when building mclaren
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car then there are building a Honda or
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Toyota and and regular I like apples
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need to buy company that yes they can
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just partner but that's that something
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apple doesn't know how to do they know
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how to make lots of compete
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others and lots of you know then I want
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to help other companies make lots of
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computers you know the know how to
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invest in machinery that boxcar confused
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about their computers but Fox was not
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about cars and apple doesn't know how to
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build half the stuff that's why they
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outsourced so again if you're gonna
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outsource your partner and have somebody
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one of these you know builders that
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magnet company build your stuff
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fine but buying outright just doesn't
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seem like a good idea
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so let me learn be McLaren is what i say
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makes sense to me a lot of people wrote
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in the very very enthusiastic about
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mclaren lot f1 fans that are also nerds
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it seems didn't know they made a car
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called the f1 I did you know I've heard
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it's very nice neighborhood maybe
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they'll never listen to neutral and
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don't know like we don't know if one but
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we know mclaren or in every market
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doesn't well I didn't know there may be
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I don't know anything about mclaren or
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f1 you've never heard of the mclaren f1
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of course not why would I you've never
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heard of the Millennium Falcon
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I mean that yeah hard the cows around 12
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parsecs
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that doesn't even make sense though you
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do you have heard of the mclaren f1
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which is the one that had three seats
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and he drove in the center seat
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you know what I'm thinking of em no but
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that sounds like a terrible car
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oh god Marcus it was like the greatest
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car for me but your costs pretty much
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what I mean this is coming from a
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Ferrari fanboy that that the mclaren f1
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is the greatest part made no I was
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disappointed in the p1 because anything
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like this one didn't make a success
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force only how can you how can you
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follow that up the well the many neutral
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the mclaren f1 supercar made to be like
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it one of its important goals was it was
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going to be the fastest not just the
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quickest with the fastest so top speed
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was a big deal
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they usually under that these days and
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although the bugatti veyron did a little
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top speed stuff as well but in general
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supercars are staying away from top
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speed because once you get up into the
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high to 50 mile-per-hour things it
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becomes a rear dynamic power challenge
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what stupid Veyron has gigantic guessing
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sucking engine 16-cylinder engine in
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but the f1 was it was quick not as quick
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as modern cars obviously but it was
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quick but it had a very top speed I
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think it was up into fifties you sound
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exactly dead center in it which is
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something that always ignore me about
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like super cars like this entire car is
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about performance
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why am I sitting off to the left right
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like it should be like a racecar where
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you sit in the middle you doing this one
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it looked great and it was just it was
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just the epitome of like let's make the
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best car in the world like what Apple
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not Apple usually about some companies
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some computer companies have done let's
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make the best x in the world like in
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every possible way it could be the best
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in terms like it wasn't the best
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performance car is faster than every
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color of the car
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yes a quick around the track their every
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other car yes is better looking at a
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real the car yes i can just aim for the
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top and it was on the top for a long
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period of time and the successor the p1
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is not the same thing but anyway it's
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kind of like the sr-71 of the carrboro
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where for a brief moment they made the
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best car in the world and everyone
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recognized it and set yep you did it and
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that's why they go for huge amounts of
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money now
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they also had a a unfortunate a penchant
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for killing their owners and are
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destroying themselves
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inhale carbon fiber because it very rich
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people get essentially the best car in
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the world the boot that's reputation
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precedes it that is more car than they
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can handle
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and they go out in a blaze of glory
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drive carefully see I'm looking at this
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car and it like McLaren is is is a
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company that makes cars that are
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exceptionally well regarded by everybody
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else in the world but yet I look at them
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and just immediately forget about them
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like I idol if you would have asked me
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before this conversation started to name
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supercar brands i would have forgotten
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about them i wouldn't even I wouldn't
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even they wouldn't even cross my mind so
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they made the f1 was like the best
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supercar barmaid right and then today
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they make a line of cars that look like
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fish fine but they're really good best
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supercar writing the the p1 and the the
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650 and all the other like that put the
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old unfortunate name was an MP 1240
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where the hell was that
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meet a supercar is just like you know
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it like I don't really know why I should
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supercars all right to bring this back
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speaking of my my potential pristine jet
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black iphone that I was speculating
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about possibly taking out of the case
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wearing my Intel bunny suit into a
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leather case where no part of it that is
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not exposed to the outside will get
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damaged if I'm very careful with that in
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iphone and then never using the home
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button but it doesn't matter because
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you're never gonna use the home button
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what good is a jet-black phone that you
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keep Christine if you never see the jet
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black foam because it's always in a case
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you two were always here
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why it is not analogous why do why is
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you shouldn't have never used the home
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button doesn't matter what he's doing
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the same thing with Jeff like why is
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that not the case i thought that was
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amazing feedback and I was disappointed
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we didn't think of it during the show
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same here hi you guys can figure out to
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switch your brains from that mode to the
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other mode and say assume it is not the
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case as i can tell you that it's not why
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well with the new home button it's
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irrelevant because it doesn't move but
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not like why is it was not the same as
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my jet black iphone situation that's me
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specifically
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well because it because the there's a
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huge difference and effectiveness hear
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the people who are not using the home
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button will actually succeed in their
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goal but John you will not succeed in
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not scratching Jeff
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like it is impossible that I don't know
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if that's the case we'll see but no no
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see the the what they were trying to say
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the absurdity look if you're never gonna
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use the home button and you're never
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gonna sell your phone that was all
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things like i was saying if you're not
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going to resell it because obviously it
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retains resale value but not breaking
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home button if you have a pristine home
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button maybe your phone is worth more
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later so there's value in happen if
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you're never gonna reset and you're
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never gonna touch it
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what the hell do you care of it works
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and so with jet-black if you're never
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going to see it because you're going to
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keep it in case what the hell do you
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care if it's scratched up right and I
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don't understand why people don't know
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me from now and you to always make fun
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about this when i'm done with my phone
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i'm not going to resell what's gonna
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happen to it you'll get over to the
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Museum of pristine apple hardware and
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there is value in a museum of Christine
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apple hardware for the Harvard to be
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pristine why you think I'm protecting in
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the case not just so i can go to sleep
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at night thinking it's safely ensconced
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there's one time when i'm done with the
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phone it's going to come out of that
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case and be a beautiful Christina object
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along with my other Apple hardware and
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now you could say like I'm gonna build
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it all that junk in your attic will
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never be displayed in such a beautiful
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way deserving it but you have the like
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that's my plan right now so it has value
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in my plan right weather has value
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actuality you can argue with but it's
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not analogy that out someone's
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preserving the home button is never
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going to resell it but then when they're
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done using the phone they're just going
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to press that pristine home button once
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a day for pleasure then they have a
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my work machine but it isn't my home
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the inevitable instability that almost
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never ever run the the beta Mac Mac OS
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usually do that so basically I have to
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it's worth it yet so I'm not saying
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never gonna upgrade i'm probably gonna
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upgrade within the next couple of weeks
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to come out or or just to hear from
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people that these issues that were in
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the beta's might be fixed or whatever
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else there's not enough here for me to
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be an early adopter of it but i'll
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upgrade soon enough
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debate is all being a separate drive
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there's anything disastrous and there
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wasn't so upgraded my imac while she's
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away surprised she's fine
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that's a bold move i also control the
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backup so don't worry if if anything was
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wrong i just would have restored for one
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of the umpteen backups I made a mess and
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it would have been fine but it's it's
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fine i did the only scare I've gotten so
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far and I don't even know I can't blame
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this on Sierra because it's one of those
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things that occasionally happens when
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you get a dialog asking for a password
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and you enter the password and you
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didn't know the dialogue would says like
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keychain system could not be found or
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something like that you know keeping you
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got all these different your login
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keychain and some beach in all the stuff
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teaching corruption is like one of the
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worst things can happen it's just such a
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panda asks you just you can wipe it all
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out and just type in the password if you
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have them someplace else like in one
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password or whatever but it's just so
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annoying
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you just wanted to be like just go back
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to working states only once a dialogue
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once I'm like nope that means reboot and
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so i rebooted everything and it's been
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fine which is the worst kind of problem
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to have who knows what it was very often
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when you update the OS updates the
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bundled apps and sometimes they don't
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they have different signatures or
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whatever don't look at the same they
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can't get access to the same key times
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want to be reauthorized like this is the
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thing that I'm kind of used to by now
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but other than that can only happen once
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everything else is mostly fine also her
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computer is the one with the real family
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iPhoto library so I wanted to I wanted
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it to do its thing with the photo
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searching so i can actually use that and
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so I was motivated enough to upgrade her
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computer and I said it's fine i'm kind
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of the same situation is Marco with 90 x
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even worse because i have unsupported
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computers in both situations i have to
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ask do I want to risk like you know what
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the point of it comes out i run the
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updater and then it was my thing and I
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gotta go through some little dance to
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get it back because it's unsupported I
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want to deal with that and what is there
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in the operating system makes me feel
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like I'm missing out essentially like I
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feel like I can't use something like
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today downloaded a developer build an
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application and has a little circle with
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a line through it on it and I realize oh
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this must be a this must be CR only
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that's the type of thing that makes me
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go you know what I should upgrade right
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because I want to be able to run the new
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software or the features like everyone's
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like Oh picture picture is amazing it's
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you know I use it all the time and you
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know like are tabbed documents and all
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these applications didn't previously
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support them now magically do because of
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os you know and this document features
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right if I feel like I'm missing out on
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what everyone else is doing
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I probably will bite the bullet but at
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home I motivated not upgrade because I
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screw up my audio you know like my pod
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casting setup here and it worked
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motivated not upgrade because in any way
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that I screw up my work computer is a
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delay in doing my work and my work
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doesn't go away while fighting with my
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computer and it's not like I can stay at
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work an extra three hours when I'm
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bringing the kids even though my parents
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are here just you know I have to get
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back so I don't know what I'm going to
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do i may I mean like I'm not really
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waiting like I feel like I'm missing out
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missing out because I the 5ki mike has
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it and whenever a new photo stuff I use
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it like I'm I'm seeing all the features
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and of course i use all the beta so it's
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not a mystery to me and I like don't
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know what it's about the other hand I
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couldn't give you a review of at this
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point because i'm not using it everyday
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and the two main computers that I used
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my home computer or my work computer
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I don't know I'm i might but I might
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bite the bullet maybe they're on their
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point 2.3 or whatever i'm sure we'll
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eventually I'm very bad at resisting
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these type of things even though I've
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got it on maybe because i have it on the
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5k imac that I'll see it over there and
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realize like things are nicer or I just
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want this thing that's over there it's
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not over here even if it's just like
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some new feature in the terminal
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application or something i'll probably
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upgrade but i haven't done yet
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alright good talk no i mean i i've been
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using it at home and I like it
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the think the thing that
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I interact with most that I like the
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most is probably some rudimentary
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support for new messages features like
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the big emoji the inline i have like
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rich content stuff so if you say paste
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between messages will actually go and
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expand that tweet for you kind of slack
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style i have been using the watch unlock
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the first two times i used it is a fifty
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percent success rate since then it's
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been nearly a hundred percent success
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rate but that being said it takes longer
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than it takes me to type my like 10-15
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character password which is a little bit
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of a bummer but maybe that will get
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better in the future if I'm really that
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in that much of a hurry I can certainly
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just type my password but do you think
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it's because you have the old slow
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watched it's taking awhile or suggest
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like you inherit in the you know what
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are you waiting on
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I think it's because it's just trying to
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figure out if the watch is close enough
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physically close enough so it's pride
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that I dug into this or maybe somebody
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told me about it but I guess it's doing
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like a round-trip time of some sort of
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packet or communication between the
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watching the computer to make sure you
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are very physically close to it that
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someone was Craig federighi on the talk
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show live
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ok so anyway so point being it takes a
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little time for that computation or that
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coming off the computation but that you
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know round-tripping to be computed so
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I'm not saying it's like a cpu intensive
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thing is just takes time to send send a
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little bit of data see how long that
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takes wait and just wait for it to come
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back or whatever the mechanism is that's
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making this work but anyway it is fairly
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reliable but I haven't but I haven't
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been able to say that it's much quicker
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than then just type in my password that
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was one of the features that was making
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by the way for you to the watch unlock
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that was one of the features that was
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making you think oh that's gonna be the
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one that's gonna make me install it work
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because it work I don't know if you do
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this case but in most corporate jobs
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they want you to lock your computer
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whenever you're not sitting in front of
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it and I do like that of habit like I've
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always liked it for the second i get up
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and now an unfortunate culture at work
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that is fading a little bit of if you do
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leave you can be there unlocked when you
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get up you are punished for it by your
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co-workers civil email everybody
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something embarrassing for your email
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hundred i think that is inappropriate
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and should not be done and
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you could just remind them that they
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should lock the computer but in practice
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what actually happens is much worse
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anyway I always liked my computer which
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means that every time I come back to my
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desk at don't like my computer even a
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hundred getting up and walking one desk
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over i have to you know I'm that type in
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my unlock password over and over and
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over again and so I thought maybe this
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will you know get me where my watch
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again and you know but save me from
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typing password minds but even before I
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heard your story I was like come on this
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is based on the same texts handoff which
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never works and it can't possibly be
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fast and i'll just be sitting there in
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front of my computer like the same way
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when you're yelling things too serious
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not understanding you it's like a
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certain point it would have been faster
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if you just typed and typing always
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works so i will just continue to type my
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password that work makes me change on a
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ridiculous interval and I can't use any
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of the last hundred passwords i used to
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be different than last password and 17
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million different ways that's not the
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bright side we can upgrade to see
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artwork because everything we use is now
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upgrade to work with it including the
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terrible antivirus software that we run
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so yay for work what antivirus be
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running symantec antivirus and symantec
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antivirus / kernel panic causing we're
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using sophos sofas I don't know how you
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pronounce it but is 0 pH OS I don't know
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if that's the problem
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coworker it operated to see are either
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before the idea part IT department
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warning or perhaps in spite of the IT
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department morning and he was telling me
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that are god-awful VPN which is
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checkpoint security TN that the VPN
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software by the way
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hey guess what includes a firewall that
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hey guess what prevents outgoing lttp
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are outgoing VPN connections outgoing
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connections not in coming out going
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connections not that I'm bitter prevents
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air drop from working which by the way I
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have very rarely had airdrop issue
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actually very really i've had a
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comfortable success rate with airdrop
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but it blocks that as well so anyway so
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I install our VPN software on command
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like an animal because it's easier to do
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that than have half of the things i want
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to use not work when it is installed
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anyway not that I'm bitter this software
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apparently hadn't been updated for
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but I this co-worker that did upgrade to
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Sierra found an installer this is the
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same sort of thing like with cisco you
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have to go spelunking into the deep
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deepest darkest part of the website that
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of the vendor in order to find an
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installer dmg but eventually they found
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one and supposedly it works so I've been
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debating whether i want to be that guy
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that doesn't listen to the IT department
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and just installed anyway so far I
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haven't but we'll see and the reason I
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haven't I think that because like Marco
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said there's nothing that it was going
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to say impressive but that's nastier
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than I mean it
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there's nothing that's that's really
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pulling me to immediately want to
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install it compelling that's not
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necessary compelling is a great word
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yeah that's not necessarily a bad thing
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but it's certainly not a great thing
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okay first of all let me tell you guys
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had a deal with your workplaces
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oh sure go here we go John the people
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who you work with our animals the
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that is barbaric the correct answer is
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change your desktop wallpaper to find
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something funny or shocking and the
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bunch of windows over if they don't
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actually see it for a while until the
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highway known and bam
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okay Casey just ignore the IT department
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do what you want you know life is short
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oh I I didn't realize it was that easy
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yeah it is that's that's it i mean come
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on it that's how jobs work right
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totally i got i'm trying to be a nice
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guy right now but man i'm putting holes
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in my tongue anyway so yeah so I was
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gonna say for upgrading the thing i
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think makes most people do it in the end
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is they're not able to do something with
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your computer that they want to do now
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the thing they want to do might be
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frivolous all my friends are using tabs
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on all the windows and I see them doing
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it and they're all talking about tabs
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and I don't have them on my windows
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because i don't have sierra that
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includes in your tab when i'm at right
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that's a frivolous example and more
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concrete example is everybody's using
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this new twitter client and I'm going
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back in time here when there was two
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other clients everyones using this new
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client but CR only and I can't use it
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right if you feel like you're not able
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to do things with computers in your
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computer you know you're into computers
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is one of your hobbies and everyone else
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you know in the computer
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you know your little computer circles is
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doing the school thing and you can't do
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it because you're operating system tool
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that I feel like in the end is what
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makes people in our circle upgrade
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sometimes right off the bat there's
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things that and the other one is maybe
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you could say even if i was the only
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computer user in the world
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this one has such nice performance
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improvements that I want it don't think
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Sierra has that all these apples not
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counting and I didn't test it i didn't
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review at the other a lot of good
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reviews out there but performance
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increases are not a big selling point
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i'm sure it's better and many
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performance measures in this huge
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performance appearance performance
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across the board which is always in the
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back of my mind is a reason to upgrade
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like because anyone who writes software
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for a living knows like what it feels
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like to to ship a new version of your
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software that you realize is so much
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better than the version of your users
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are out there are using like the old
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version is a piece of crap like do you
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realize how much code deleted you don't
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understand why refactor this didn't
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happen like how I changed that this code
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path from being like you know 17 levels
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deepen in subroutine calls to now just
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being like to and this is this used to
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be called every 10 milliseconds and now
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it's called like once a second and just
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everything is so much better about it
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you're disgusted by the idea that anyone
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could be using it while operating
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systems like this are filled with that
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stuff so I i get the warm fuzzies real
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or not of
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give me the new version of the software
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because i know there must be things
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about this that are just better than
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they were not only also break crap to
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see discovery day or whatever but in
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general i want the new version of the
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software all I think I'm a little bit
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weird that in that respect but i think
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most of the reason people upgrade is
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everyone doing the thing I can't do the
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thing and i will get to that point and I
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think Marco will too but we're both not
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there yet with Sierra that's where I
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mean I don't have anything bad to say
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about it I don't I hope I don't sound
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too negative it's not that I have
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anything bad to say but i can't say that
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i found any features that have really
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changed the way i use my computer so far
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the watch unlock is the closest but I'm
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not relying on it the one thing that i
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think i really do like and i do miss my
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work computer like i said is having
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those like rich texture those rich
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previews in messages those are really
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really great and I wish I had that I'm
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your computer but other than that
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there's nothing really that's that's
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knocking my socks off in that that's not
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necessarily a bad thing I mean it's not
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a rare for all of the three of us to beg
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and plead for for Apple to just kind of
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take a breath and try to improve
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reliability and I mean seems stable so
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far my only a few days and now but it
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seems ok
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the one thing that i will tell you that
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i have been scared to do though and
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doesn't really solve a problem i have
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any way is this iCloud Drive hey we'll
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move things to the cloud on your behalf
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don't worry your pretty little knees
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we've got you covered
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this looks like it from everything I've
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heard this is a dumpster fire like this
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is no good
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I should have saved this clip in the
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traditional now this is my new thing now
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I look up stuff and all podcasts and
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make overcast timestamp links so Marco
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but are never make that site go down
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please add me anyway merited i was
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thinkin like we talked about this before
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and now we're all scared of this feature
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and everything like when was that turns
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out it was the wEDC show like as soon as
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they announced the future that very day
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we walked back to the hotel and recorded
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episode it was like no don't like we had
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we'd never touch this operation weed
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enemy and seen it in action we just
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slides promising this feature that like
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slides promising this feature that like
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we will take your documents and desktop
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folder and magically sink them across
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the hall of your max if you want us to
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like no don't do that in the people and
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not turn out ya head right and I'll find
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the audio clip of saying that an unknown
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certain terms and a lot of people who
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have reviewed Sierra have said this
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feature has all sorts of problems now
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one category of problems are even when
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it's working perfectly as far as anyone
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can tell it does things that the user
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doesn't expect in ways that scare people
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like as in where did all my documents go
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even is working correctly it doesn't
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something has some strange behaviors
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were rather than just merging things
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together as soon as you turn it on or if
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you turn it back off or whatever very
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frequently everything on your everything
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on your desktop is only people notice
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because people know what's on the
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desktop or they know like I if your
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message to stop pressing of icons
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everywhere if you saw all those
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disappear
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it doesn't matter if like the files
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aren't actually gone you have that
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moment of panic and you're like huh
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where'd everything go or if everything
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disappears from your documents folder
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you open your documents folder there's
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nothing in it doesn't matter at that
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point whether that data is actually gone
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all that matters is that people briefly
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think it is and that makes people hate
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you Apple so don't do that
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hey no it does do that it has a thing
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moves your actual files aside and then
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like uploads them and then pulls them
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back down from the cloud and tries to
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like I'm not sure why does that
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certainly things like Dropbox or Google
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Drive don't have to do that to function
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they just likes bad your icons and
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slowly make them you know this one is
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successfully uploaded ilysm merge
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conflict like Dropbox is like the
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dumbest little possibly work with like
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renaming your files but at no point does
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it delete your crap at least I haven't
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tried the project anything but the
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regular one doesn't
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so that's that and then the other aspect
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are just plain box where it's supposed
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to do the thing where I moved aside your
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files and put them up to the cloud and
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pulls it back down and murders
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altogether but many people say actually
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didn't do that and when I tried to turn
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off the feature my house went away and
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since they had been successfully
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uploaded I couldn't get them back and
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had to restore from a backup or it
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started trying to sync them but then off
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some numbers couldn't open my
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spreadsheet file because of that
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wonderful area that i was getting four
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pages where it says can't open file
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because reasons sorry and you can never
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open it again
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and I had to just like turn everything
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off and do all my files and restore from
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backup like it is not successfully
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launched feature every single review
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every person i've heard who is used it
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has had some kind of issue now that you
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maybe there's millions of people using
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out there was no issues i don't know but
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there are enough people reporting
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problems that I absolutely positively
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cannot recommend that anybody listening
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to this podcast use that feature even if
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you only have five files even just just
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don't use it because not worth it's not
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worth the risk it's weird it works
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strangely and apparently it has bugs and
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there are other solutions that do
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similar things that are proven to be
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more reliable dropbox cool drive even
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plain old regular iCloud Drive maybe but
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giving your documents folder and your
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desktop to this places where people
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store tons of stuff i think is a very
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bad idea and honestly at this point
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based on how it launched like i was
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saying that WC half stark but half like
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predicting like based on past history
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this is going to be a disaster but who
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knows they could have pulled it off you
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know prove me wrong Apple I probably
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said at some point in that big grant
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they have not proved me wrong
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and given that that's the case i have to
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now think was Sierra crying out like
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what was the mac operating system crying
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out for this feature like they already
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did I cloud drive which is like hey we
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can you dropbox to and in general it's
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not as good as Dropbox but like I feel
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like they take that check box like a you
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buy a mac we give you everything you
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expect from modern computer including a
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cloud-based drive that sinks that you
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pay more for most likely give you that
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they have that I think that I think it's
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important for them to have that I'm glad
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they finally going to the head of what
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they were doing before with the
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documents in the cloud and everything
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like this is better
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they need to also add by the way will
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transfer only sync your documents and
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desktop because desktop is a place that
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people love and people feel comfortable
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with and safe and you make me feel
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really unsafe that's terrible betrayal
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and the documents folder can potentially
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change contain a huge number of things i
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should go look here i want to see how
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folder you want a guess while I were
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writing for calculating size to finish
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cheese I mean do you because you carry
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over between installs right so it's like
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years and years and years of accumulated
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documents and stuff
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thinking today about all the computers
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in my ad
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can have like they probably don't work
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anymore because the capsule exploded but
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i was thinking maybe I can salvage from
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the hard drives because hard drive sizes
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have gone hockey stick type of curve i
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always imagined and it's never quite
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paid offering but I always imagined that
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I would be able to take every document i
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had on my five megabyte hard drive and
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put it on my 32 megabyte hard drive and
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every document of my 32 megabyte hard
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drive and put it on my hundred megabyte
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hard drive it like you know just
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basically bringing everything along with
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me forever and ever because I could take
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all the documents on every single
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computer in my attic for like the 68 que
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era and put them on you know at any
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little folder my CB storage space has
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gone up so much that there's no reason
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you can't have everything that happening
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it hasn't happened that way like I've
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gone through discontinuities where I
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upgrade to a bigger computer but don't
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bring over every single fathers are not
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relevant anymore like all Mike my
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confabulating themes and my icon
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collections for 32 by 32 icons and stuff
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like that
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I kind of those behind i want to go
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retrieve them because i feel like the
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total size that is only gonna be like a
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couple gigs or something it would be
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great to have all that but in practice I
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don't have a lot of old stuff and it's
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kind of a shame
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anyway my thing just finished I want to
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guess how many many documents and how
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many things are files are my documents
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folder i would guess easily a hundred
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thousand Margo I'd go a little lower I'd
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say more like your price-is-rite
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one-dollar one dollar and I think more
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like maybe 20,000 my documents folder
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contains 1 million 890 7950 items gosh
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this is that one for chrome tab didn't
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can you imagine pointing like checking
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that checkbox in this computer and say
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oh yeah no sure
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icloud go ahead go ahead with that like
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this virtual machine that's in there at
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multiple virtual machine files there's
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huge numbers of things that my dropbox
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doesn't contain that i'm not insane like
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not even having a one terabyte like but
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the documents folder it is essentially
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where every and this is include you know
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movies are mostly on my synology and
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photos are mostly my photos library so
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the movies and photos libraries have
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really pared-down although there is some
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old crap in there like
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I movie things I made the kids and
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everything but documents like that is
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that is potentially limitless like
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that's where for most normal people now
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that you know photos puts everything in
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your library folder everything documents
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should contain all of your documents and
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maybe you don't have 1.2 million up
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fine whatever but it's enough that i
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wouldn't say you know go ahead sink this
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with your reliable singing christmas
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system all sure we'll be fine so as I
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was saying before this is a type of
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feature like did we really need this
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feature is this a net win for the mac is
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a platform reputation like it must take
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a lot of effort to make this feature
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it's complicated it's hard to do well
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you spent that time and money and what
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you got out of it was a thing that makes
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people not trust you in the same areas
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that interest you before and it's not
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making a better product if you could
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have taken that time and energy and put
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it towards something else I think it
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would have been a better use of your
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time or maybe just dedicated this and
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say look even though the first one's
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gonna be crappy we're going to work on
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it until it gets better which you know
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examples credit they have been improving
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the cloud stuff slowly but surely the
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trajectory is the correct direction
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slope just isn't particularly high and
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there are lots of backsliding so no this
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is not a if i had written as the error
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review i would spend a long time sort of
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condemning this feature specifically and
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everything surrounding have apple can
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get its act together on this going off
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into like my usual rants about why is
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this such a fundamental incompetency for
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the company and even though improving
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their why they moving slowly why can't
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everybody else do this so well relative
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dapple i don't know all i know is that
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my worst fear with Sierra was it would
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be on by default and I would somehow
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have to like install with like the
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ethernet cable unplugged to make sure
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that doesn't even attempt to do anything
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and just like stop it and apparently
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it's not on by default and it's got to
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be really careful not to be fooled by
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the wording into activating this feature
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yeah i mean this this thing this kind of
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thing worries me because you know not
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you know not only the the reliability
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issues and you know perception and then
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reputation of you know if your customers
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and cut and potential customer data loss
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but you know if this goes wrong or
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thinking it went wrong but overall like
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and I've used this ramp before so I'll
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be brief
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it worries me how little the mac is
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getting attention these days
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not because it really needs a ton of
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changes i mean it is a mature platform
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and I wouldn't say Mac OS is done and
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needs nothing else and I wouldn't even
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say that it doesn't need anything big
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because it could use big improvements
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things like modernizing the app get
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framework to be more like you i cater a
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lot more code sharing their cellular
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data monitoring and being able to have
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cellular max and have that like which
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the the fundamentals of that are all
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there but bring up there all the apps
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require a little more you know a little
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more more working and stuff like that
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that that stuff exists that can be done
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like that that can be improved
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I'm not sure ever will be anymore
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because when you look at where Apple
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prioritizes resources it seems like
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especially in the most recent years
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there they're prioritizing resources in
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basically you know where the money comes
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from and so on iOS gets the most
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resources and that's probably a smart
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move like you know if you look at it
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objectively that's probably smart it
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does kind of suck those of us on the mac
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side who we care a lot about this
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platform though and the Mac doesn't get
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a lot of attention anymore
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what I worry about is is not the mac
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will just kind of stagnate forever but
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that it will get updates for with new
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features like this like this weird you
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know I cloud desktop documents think
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thing that are actually bad like that
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that that will get this kind of like
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drive-by updates that you know it isn't
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high enough priority to really do this
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well and knock out of the park and get
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the resources it needs to to be good but
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they basically use the mac as kind of
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like you know you know something to
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support the marketing messages and
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everything else is there other services
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or they kind of like giving lip service
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updates where they assign a small amount
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of resources to it occasionally to
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update something around a new feature
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but they're not giving it enough to
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really do it well so it isn't just the
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mac OS will stagnate it's that if if
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Apple starts being a little bit careless
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and cavalier with some of these new
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features will actually get worse
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that is what I'm worried about you know
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if they ignore forever that's also
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really unfortunate and i would i would
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not be happy but happy about that either
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but if they actually start being less
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careful with updating it that is
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actually work
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then not updating it thatthat's admit
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that's a little concern here I don't
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think they're making it worse
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like I think there is like an unforced
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error like they there's no reason that
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they had to add this feature and they
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added it and it's not good and using it
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makes the experience work but overall
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the OS is still better like if you just
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pretend the speaker doesn't exist
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everything that you were using before is
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at least the same or presumably more
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efficient and faster or whatever and
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they fixed a bunch of bugs and stuff
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like that and they have ended useful
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than like the picture-in-picture stop
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the thing was not technically that
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impressive but makes a big
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quality-of-life difference for people
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who like want to just watch a video
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this is i mean this is this is exactly
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what they were doing like identifying
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what is the thing that people do all the
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time that we can make it easier at the
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OS level thing that people do all the
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time is they have video playing some
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window i usually a web browser window
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but web browsers usually for I don't
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know how people do their minor basically
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like sheets of paper write that
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proportion but that's not the right
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proportion of the video so they take one
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of the web browser windows and either a
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resize it or if they can't tolerate
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doing that because they're like me and
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don't want the default window size to
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change their like scrolling hat you know
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dragon half off the screen so just the
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video is showing with them is like the
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ad banner on the top and I try to it you
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know you're trying to get it so you can
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just see the video part and not all the
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stupid ads around in the browser Chrome
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and have it off to the side but still do
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the other stuff you're doing your work
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or if your full screen you can even do
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that you have to put the video on a
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second monitor or something
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picture-in-picture totally solved that
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something they can do really easily so
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they can build into one of their bundle
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the applications that really makes
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quality of life term same thing with the
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tab windows which is a lot of people
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want tabs we can build it into our
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default controls a bunch of applications
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get free if you don't want you don't
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have to have it if you're a developer
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you don't like it you can opt out of it
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but it's the same tabcontrol we've been
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using safari it's the bug code for the
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most part and people like tabs like
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those of things they can do on top of
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make it faster now what I'm looking for
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this point it's like six texts on tech
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underpinnings you know improve that
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stuff make it faster make it more
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efficient with memory new files in which
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they did and you know it's just a
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developer building this one but like all
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that stuff they're doing that stuff
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excites me and think makes the product
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better and features getting big features
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mountains of them actually really like
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the the El Cap background picture like
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the default one she just kept that that
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it did you know to apples credit i can
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do this and we upgrade it didn't change
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like what is that funny color icon up in
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point in the future maybe now I
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think any of us mean to come across a
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negative about any of this its I I don't
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but i'm not- about it it's just know the
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headlining features are features that
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fix problems that I don't have I don't
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speak to my computer to use Siri in that
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wanted my stuff mirrored in the cloud
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transparently a picture-in-picture does
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i just keep forgetting the thing and
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Sierra now and and I my message stuff is
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good it's very freaking cool and maybe
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you know in a month or a week or two or
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something like maybe I'll find that that
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feature that I say oh my gosh i can't
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live without it but just only a week or
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two in so far I haven't found that
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predict will not work and actually don't
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work because the predictions are right
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airdrop handoff or related
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synchronization without wires
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technologies between iOS devices in the
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macro always been a little bit weird and
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clipboard sync between iOS devices and
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max which totally sounds like an awesome
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feature but you just know you just know
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based on past experience like you're
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excited for the feature then you're like
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oh but does not actually gonna work
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reliably you just know it's not going to
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work reliably and everyone test it says
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it works most of the time but sometimes
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it doesn't mean you don't know why I
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Flipboard sink
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of the time but sometimes not work for
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inexplicable reasons that you can't do
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anything about and that never change
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year after year after year and that is
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the world like jason has great three
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paragraphs which is like a
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three-paragraph concise Jason's now
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style version of the seven pages I would
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have written with exactly the sentiment
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tried to tweet a quote from and i'll try
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to read here is like he's frustrated
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with the cloud sync feature whatever of
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the document sizes
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what's going on I don't know this is a
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feature without an interface is really
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no way to debug it sometimes it worked
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sometimes it just doesn't work
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that's frustrating like that's exactly
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so many apple features recently
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specifically related to this technology
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we just know they've been out for years
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it's just it's gonna be like that and
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it's not the end of the world like if it
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doesn't work it's not like you're losing
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data it's not you know it's not the same
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as the documents that you know you're
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also what your clipboard didn't sink or
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whatever but like why what is stopping
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this from working reliably almost a
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hundred percent of the time the first
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one find the first few years you're
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working out the kinks or whatever but
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are we just now resigned to the fact
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that anything that has to do with like
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the singing the clipboard i think is
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especially for small clipboard items
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even got like a size limit that's as
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basic as you can get and like look there
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is there's a wireless feature that we
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have that uses Bluetooth or Wi-Fi
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whatever how magic were using to hand
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off the data from a mac to an iOS device
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that sitting on your desk is there some
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technical reason why that can eventually
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after several years become a reliable
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enough that we don't talk about you know
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that it almost never fails
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apparently the answer is no and I'm like
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just don't make any more of those
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features if you can't make
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the ones you have work if you can't make
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clipboard sink work forget about any of
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the fancy ones right and you know
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everything is like hand off when i was
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testing out my review it worked pretty
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reliably but because it's a beta the one
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time out of a hundred that doesn't work
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like a lot of beta but three years later
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like this is a beta like I don't know
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why it's not working again as Jason said
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there's no interface is nothing for you
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to look at the view to debug there's no
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way you can make it work
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aside from Michael let me just reboot
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and cross my fingers or something
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incredibly frustrating and I feel like
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that's you know whatever that problem is
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that is bad for apples image it's bad
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because we won't use the new features if
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they don't work and people abandon them
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I'm it's bad that Apple needs to figure
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out like why can we not make this work
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if there's some technical reason don't
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make any more features like this but
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there's not figure out what it is that's
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causing this to continue to be a problem
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especially it gets worse for things like
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universal clipboard is like I would
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totally use that feature i want that
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feature that would be a future I'd be
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excited about but it's you know everyone
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has used in tried it said I was really
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excited about this feature too but
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sometimes doesn't work and i just
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eventually come to not rely on it and it
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frustrates me when I needed it doesn't
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work so this is this is the one time
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where i will say i am an airdrop unicorn
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it always works for me and I i feel like
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the what what makes it always worked for
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me is kind of a few luxury they have
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being a work-at-home person
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first of all I have you know my my 1 mac
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and my one phone and occasionally tips
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phone that are involved with like a
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small number of devices
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I set them all to accept from everyone
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that is very very important if you don't
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set at least the receiving one if you
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don't set the receiving was always my
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mac to accept from everyone i found it
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works way less often and obviously there
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are certain situations where you
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probably shouldn't have it that way for
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me airdrop works great and I use it all
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the time
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almost always i will use it to send a
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photo I just took from my phone to my
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photosinc and maybe maybe it's on it's
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from a phone that maybe doesn't have
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icloud photo library so like a developer
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phones and a screenshot or something
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like that
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it's great i use it all the time yeah I
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wouldn't say I'm a unicorn but I'm a
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who is stuck like a little unicorn thing
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to his head you know what it like we
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only got like a horn hat
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yeah pretty pretty much i die i say that
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what I mean is it doesn't work all the
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time for me and Josh when it doesn't
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work it is so frustrating but it does
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work pretty darn often for me so I I'm
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pretty satisfied with their drop i agree
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with you that I see things appearing and
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disappearing from my doc all the time
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from handoff i almost never use it but
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it seems to be working well enough that
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things are appearing constantly so i
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don't really have any complaints about
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those features i've yet to try the
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clipboard sink but I've heard a lot of
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mixed reviews about it but I hope it
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works because I be another one that'd be
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that would compel me to upgrade say my
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work Mac oh yeah i mean i would i would
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also like that would be a major feature
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for me too i'm going to announce that I
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thought all finally this is great
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yeah but the reports that I'm here so
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far not only that doesn't always work
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but also it's a little bit slow and that
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where if it if you're going to have that
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feature it has to be fast and reliable
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if it's if it's only one or neither of
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those things that's that's going to make
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it hard to really get into your workflow
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didn't somebody say also that doesn't
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work with at least whatever clipboard
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history thing they were using like that
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it wouldn't it wouldn't be added to the
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history like I i use clip art history
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all the time and if this feature kills
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my clip art history that would be a
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reason for me not to upgrade because I'm
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the most exciting thing I got my mac
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recently is that a spot beta for the mac
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i already had it you know if i've been
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using various clipboard history things
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in the mac the 1i that i'd sell on
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before its jump cut this open source
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thing which is really ugly and silly but
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it's very reliable and small and i've
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been using it i switch to pay spot which
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is much fancier like I was probably too
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fancy but i really like it i like that
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it feels like it's going to be a more
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supported product in the open source
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jump-cut and it certainly looks nicer
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and has some interface niceties but I i
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need that feature like my use of a Mac
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it's kind of like window shade used to
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be all those other things like you come
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to rely on them at this point a Mac
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without clip art history we feel broken
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to make so Sierra breaks my clipboard
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history like going to be really sad and
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just be looking for ways to find the
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secret plist thing that I can set to
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make it not to clip
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or universal court stuff well I as far
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as i know i don't think it actually
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breaks clipboard history locally i think
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it just I think the things that are that
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are remotely brought in from the devices
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just never actually they don't actually
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hit your clipboard
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gonna file boxes it's impossible to file
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a bug like this one time it didn't work
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system reports you want and give them
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reproducible because you tried again and
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percent succeeds for them and all their
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having it fail and there's nothing they
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getting you know ID give me a failing
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yeah fair enough so anyway so it does
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the focus is what we'll talk and call it
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and and so what it does is it does a
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background blur behind the person or in
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some instances object that you're taking
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a photograph of and so there's a
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put out by cindy caldwell Lex Friedman
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has been posting pictures to Instagram
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that i'm pretty sure are using this
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feature although I have not confirmed
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that with him and I gotta tell you at a
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glance at a glance they look pretty darn
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good under inspection even for me and I
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don't have the most discerning eye
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some of them look still a good and some
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of them just look like they're somehow
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wrong even if I can't put my finger on
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I am I probably have the least
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discerning eye of the three of us and
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Marco as the person who I think is
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closest to a a quote-unquote real
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photographer how how do you feel about
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this in and what are you thinking about
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this feature you know my my thinking has
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evolved as I thought about it more and
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as I've seen a lot of people's pictures
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you know it before we can really only
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see apple's pictures and now that
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they've released this beta now anybody
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with plus 7 plus can can make their own
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and so lots of our friends have it we're
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seeing in this particular place and
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ultimately I think they look pretty
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decent for what they're doing now what
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they're doing is not replicating an SLR
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however if you view these photos on a
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phone and you're doing a casual look
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like reading through Instagram feed or
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whatever the kids using these days then
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they look pretty good
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and if you compare it to slrs and you
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know quote real cameras that are that
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are generating real background blur you
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know using the
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actual properties of the optics and and
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the shape of the aperture blades and
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everything else like to to really
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generate the the nice pleasing looking
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blur and the various shapes of the of
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the circles and everything if you
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compare it to that it doesn't it's not
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even close like that the real optic
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version of this looks way nicer and
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doesn't have a few of the artifacts that
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the fake one does that photographers
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will notice things like be blurry edges
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around subjects that the that the
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fucking mode has but if you if you have
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your SLR just use your SLR for all the
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other times for either you don't own an
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SLR or you do have one but it's not with
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it's kind of amazing that a phone can
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generate pictures that look this good
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now that being said the regular pictures
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from both the iphone 7 cameras already
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look fantastic and the the fake blur
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effect is literally just like you know
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it's kind of like Instagram filter it's
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like you can take very good pictures
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without it but if you want this kind of
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look you can fake it with this with this
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kind of you know if with us kind of
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software effect it's a really
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good-looking approximation if you don't
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look too closely or if you're skimming
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by its really nice that it's there
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because it's better than not being
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available at all
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however if you really want something to
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look really good with that look you know
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a real camera doing it optically will
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look way better but in in practice in
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the modern world that doesn't really
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no I think I've gone the other direction
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from Marco because he's coming around
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like oh you know it's not as good as it
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could be but it's better like the more
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of these pictures I see the more I'm
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convinced that certainly I would never
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willingly do this and the morons that
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nobody else should do this either they
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look really really bad to me like the
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only time I thought I can get any value
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out of them
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is it is a picture where the background
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is really busy and would detract from
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the intended subject matter and in this
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case the terrible or they apply helps
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emphasize the part of the picture I'm
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supposed to be looking at but it always
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looks terrible
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like I'm i'm not an expert in
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photography I don't even know what it is
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that I'm seeing that's different but it
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looks wrong and bad and like someone
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messed up my picture but you know
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blurring parts of it more one of the
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questions that people had about this was
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maybe it's using the other camera taking
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out of focus picture using that for the
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background according to Henry knows
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article or maybe it was a tweet or
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something that's not the case is
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computed blur what and that would that
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would have been awesome because like it
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really if you think about like and
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somebody could theoretically make a
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third-party app that tries to do that
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although i think i don't have a cropping
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will work out well the right demographic
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information is not is not explosion API
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the moment when what I don't know
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whatever will be so you know that you
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have to kind of do that yourself which
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is not an easy task but you could
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theoretically like you know have have
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the the wide lens focus basically right
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in front of itself so it has the maximum
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background blur and then have the have
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the the telephoto lens focused on the
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subject and kind of combine the do the
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optically blurred picture from the wide
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lens with the telephoto lenses regular
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picture somehow detecting where the
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edges are you could theoretically do
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that there would be the don't think they
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would match with the distortion right
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there like that they like all the lines
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but you wouldn't be able to combine them
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with each other unless you somehow
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distorted the pictures from the cameras
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like if it's the lenses are making
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that's in straight lines like an offense
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and curved you know that you can do it
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you know it's math right but it's it's
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difficult to get them anyway they're not
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doing that they're doing the depth at
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nine layers depth information they
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blurred and like I don't know why it
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looks bad to me but it would it looks to
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me like it looks like they blurred stuff
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in the picture and sometimes easy to
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know why it looks badly we saw a couple
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pictures uploaded by friends where their
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head happened to be next to something
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was a similar color to the hair and the
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blur like crept into their head and it's
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like let's just
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like obviously not gonna be perfect you
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can expect the perfect in all conditions
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but even the ones who was like that
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looks pretty good
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something about it looks wrong to me and
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i would say that if you took a picture
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with an optical camera of the same thing
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with the same focus settings
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I i would also say it looks wrong I'm
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not even saying it looks wrong because
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whatever like and I've seen a few of
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often if you take a picture with one of
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these things with like that everything
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bad because like the background that you
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don't want people to see is just as
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this helps with that but i'm not a fan
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first try
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this feature and people liked it more
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power to him but i personally don't like
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it well and it's it's never going to
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look right to people who are who noticed
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the flaws and and I mean that in AI
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think you're right in noticing that
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doesn't look right
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there's lots of reasons why it doesn't
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look right the biggest by far is the
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edges of the in-focus subject where they
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meet the background blur a real optical
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version of this the end the the entire
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subject a sharp right up to that edge
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and and in this one it looks kind of
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like yeah he'll make a reference for
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John you had in the original Star Wars
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where they had the vaseline under the
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speeder i doing i do know that part in
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the new photos look like somebody put
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vaseline around the edge where the
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subject meets the blurred area
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it just it looks like a badly
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necessarily blurred thing be and the
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reason why is because the depth map
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information they just not incredibly
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granular it's not very precise they have
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like I think they said something like
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six slices of death they can I try to
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identify and is nine but it's not just
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the slices like I'm looking in prisoners
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are always got a picture of a little
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girl and she like wispy hairs coming out
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it's not the depth map doesn't have
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players is just that it does the depth
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doesn't detect those hairs like light
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from a camera will do the correct
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bouncing off of those things in the
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hairs will be pin sharp there in the
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fall to the plan that's focused but
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because the blur doesn't know the hairs
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are even there because the blur has to
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say well the head is close to us and the
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fence behind it is far away so keep the
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head and focus and blur the fence but it
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thinks the boundaries of the head and
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way before those wispy hair so the wispy
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hairs melt out into a big smear of
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someone who would like to use the finger
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smudge tool in photoshop one and like
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just it's it's as clear as day that like
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it shouldn't it shouldn't be like that
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but I don't even know if that's what i
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mean i can see that when people say oh
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you know if I had to pick it out like
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you know in in a multiple choice and
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find them that's how i would find them
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but I don't even think that's the thing
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that looks wrong to me I think they
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completely clear totally not you near
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the in-focus subject like in the clear
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can be safely blurred doesn't look
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blurred to me in a way that seems right
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like it just it just feels like like
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they're standing in front of a blurry
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picture of the place where they were and
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so it's like it like a composite like it
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took a picture without the person
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they're applied a blur to it took a
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picture of a person against the green
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screen and a composite of them onto it
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and where they printed out the
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background picture and put it on a big
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mural in there standing in front of it I
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don't know this it's you know it's got
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it's uncanny valley whatever it is it
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bugs me when and part of the reason why
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that whatever custom blur optimization
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or whatever blur algorithm they're using
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it doesn't like the blurred areas of the
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photo but all the education aside the
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blur areas the photo do not look like
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the actual optical blur from a camera
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lens would look of that if you did it's
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a picture side by side so that that's
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obviously a big part of what you're
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seeing Johnny and that's that is a very
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real problem that i'm not sure they
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really easily can solve or at least if
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they did it might be not able to be done
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in real time on current Hardware
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whatever it is they that is not being
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solved well but also I think we're kind
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of being sold this bill of goods like oh
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you're going to have this awesome
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background blur you know with this nice
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portrait and everything
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well this is only a 56 millimeter
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perspective you can get I mean sure you
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can you can on a full-frame camera you
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can get
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decent background blur with like f 1.4
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55 ish millimeter lens but if you
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actually want to get like strong
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background blur for a portrait you
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actually a longer lens to really do it
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well like you need like an 85 or my
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favorite 135 it is incredibly
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impractical but the pictures you get
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from it when when you can actually like
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stand on the right distance your subject
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to get them in the frame because a 1 35
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millimeter prime is incredibly hard to
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use for with moving subjects but the
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ones you get at work from it will be
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your favorite pictures you've ever taken
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any way you need me actually a longer
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lens to get the amount of blur that
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makes portraits look good most of the
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time you know I thought that there was a
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really good take on this and it was my
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curly who had said it and I believe it
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was on the this the last episode of
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upgrades so link that in the show notes
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and his point was if if I can paraphrase
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i'm not going to get a DSLR anything
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like it and I'm certainly not gonna
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carry one with me and for me this really
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might this is giving me L way to make
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these pictures that look so beautiful to
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my eye but i don't have to carry a big
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heavy expensive camera i can use the
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thing that's in my pocket always and yes
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it may not be perfect but it's a
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crapload better than what I'm used to
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and for that i love it and you know what
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i think of our my shoes I would say the
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exact same thing
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this is not enough for me to want to
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give up my micro four thirds camera and
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and the couple of ones i have for that
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but I think for anyone who just wants to
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take a pretty shot with the camera
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that's in their pocket whether or not
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they like you said Marko whether or not
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they have a DSLR or something you big I
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think it's a really great feature and
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and yeah there's a lot that we can
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nitpick about it haven't picked about it
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but I still think this is a really great
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next step toward taking the iphone
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cameras to the next level and I really
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applaud apple for it and for beta it
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seems like it's working really darn well
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yeah and and again like the I think the
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democratization argument here really
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can't be overstated like here I mean yes
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this is a very
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answer phone for you know bought by
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privileged people whatever however we
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are now being apples putting in the
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hands of all the people who buy this
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phone a photographic capability that
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while it is not as good as an SLR and
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will never be as good as an SLR it kind
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of gets in the ballpark and especially
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for you know most photos these days are
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being seen by people who are scrolling
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through social media feeds and you might
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be you might stop on that photo for two
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seconds
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like at most you know you so all the
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fine details that bother people like me
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and John and people who know how the
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house photos are supposed to look it
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most people who are seeing these photos
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aren't noticing those details and they
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are just enjoying the photo so this is
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giving like millions literally millions
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of people the ability to post
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better-looking photos to their friends
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and family on facebook and stuff and it
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otherwise bought and carried around an
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SLR with a really fast prime lens so
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that that is a pretty cool effect of
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this even though the pictures annoy
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people like me and John that is an
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overall I i think overall this is
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benefiting the world for this to exist
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yeah i agree and what I mean Apple will
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find out because they have the usage did
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if this is a feature that people are
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using obviously they liked it adds value
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to the phone right i personally think
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that the the dual cameras the ability to
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non you know to not optical zoom when
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there's enough light for it to use the
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optical zoom in on digital zoom is
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enough light to get a camera i think
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that will have a larger effect on
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people's satisfaction with the camera
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than this but Apple know because this is
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an opt-in thing it doesn't do it to
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automatically you have to use it so if
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they see huge numbers of people moving
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it and using it is obviously successful
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whether I like it or not but we'll see
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have to like watch the non tech people
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who we know just see casually see like
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that using that feature do they even
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know it exists a lot of it could be like
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they're not using it because it's not
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obvious in the UI or something that so
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many people who think they have to swipe
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the little line of words in the camera
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UI show them that you can just swipe
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anywhere and it changes it changes their
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life that's just an obvious another
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mystery meat interface from the people
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who brought you
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making people more happy with their
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cameras now they can do things they
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couldn't do before but I'm not sure
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people will keep using it because mostly
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because you can't just leave it on all
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the time because it will ruin a
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perfectly good pictures if you leave it
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on all the time it can only be used in
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certain environments where you know
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you're actually going according to leave
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it at all times just gonna mess up
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everything so we'll say thanks a lot 23
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to be in because it was accidental
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research Marco in kc wouldn't let me
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alright let's do some titles you know
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the Museum of Christine apple hardware
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is not bad maybe the Museum of pristine
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apple hardware uh I guess my favorite of
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once you pick like how do you do not
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have that unlike at front of mine a list
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of weird things that I do that I collect
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always a bard where and try to keep it
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inside because weird thing Jon Lester on
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my shelf that like don't have the
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bindings broken that are all in
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beautiful condition that are displayed
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out like that like that's the same thing
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i mean just the list is so long I've
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lost to pick up some other some of the
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smaller objects on i.m people were
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tweeting that stuff about me I was
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tweeting back with the mall i unlike you
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tell me like you if you listen to the
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show like you shouldn't this is not a
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secret that i do this like that that's
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why the left unsaid like why do I care
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that it's christine if it's in the case
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because it's not going to be in that
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case but it's gonna come out it's going
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to join them join the collection like
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the people that I gotta run before you
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go how much money here you have your
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iphone 6 like what do you mean from and
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that's not leaving the house it's going
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and this one is also pristine in the
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back to this case is following the
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garbage because the other thing is
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totally destroyed now the phone inside
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they're beautiful and actually i will
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say I part of the reason I commit myself
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to get jet black is that I thought like
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you know what is the like the the
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canonical color of this generation and I
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thought like when I look back in my
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closet at my at my my row of old iphones
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and I keep their it's like all wind up
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like well as if they're on a bookshelf
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I thought like what do I want to see
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there once this phone goes there you
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next year whenever like whenever I
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retire this phone is probably next fall
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what what color would look best to
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represent this generation of phone in my
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in my little tiny Museum of well-worn
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apple hardware and I thought jet-black
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is is the only choice like that that is
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the that is the phone that will define
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this generation of phones in my future
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phone archive make sense yeah I feel
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like it's something like that you know
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apples advertising like this is the
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thing this is the even though that I
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I'd really doubt this will be the most
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popular model because of all the
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scratches
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and behold on like you know other colors
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that are more exciting and stupid black
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one again is the one they're pushing is
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like this is it this is the iphone
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iphone 7 equals jet black
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I mean I'm i'm guessing you know I mean
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keep because there are two new black
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colors then it's you know it's probably
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gonna be split between them but people
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really like the color that's new that
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year now only out only Apple knows
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there's a breakdown of these numbers but
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also like I in my experience I think
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most people find black boring like I'm
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amazed that i don't see more black
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phones and all generations of iphone and
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iOS devices
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we're all buying the black ones for
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whatever weird tech dude reason compels
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us to buy the black ones regular people
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are not so excited about black well and
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honestly if they only released the other
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black I wouldn't be spending about it
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like if they only released the map
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because i'm kind of tired of just like
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black key card we're not that tired so
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the guy with the closet full black
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actually i just ordered more black
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shirts today and I said let's say you're
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tired of it you're not expressing it
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outwardly your clothing and clothing is
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different but just like like I i think i
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think the new matte black one and i said
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i think it looks a little bit dated
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honestly and it looks like a little bit
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too much like a new geek black gadgets
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like every other get black gadget but
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the jet black looks so different because
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you know that new finish that like
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nothing else has in in the gadget world
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and and I that I think really elevates
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it ever every shiny piece of black
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plastic ever made including the iphone
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3gs yeah but it doesn't it doesn't look
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like plastic though it looks it looks
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more like plastic than metal looks like
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scratch plastic well maybe a little
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I don't know ok you get there and say
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this but i do have a lot of scratches
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what's interesting about it is the
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almost all the scratches on mine are in
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the lower third of the case I wonder why
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that is gonna learn where year where you
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rub your phone against things going
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you're like Marlon where his phone pokes
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through
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pants pocket makes the little holes that
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the most friction intensive area maybe I
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mean it that mean the pants I'm wearing
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they still have the the where line in
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the pocket of the 5s shape just give you
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some idea had that the age of these
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pants like yeah I can't date my pants by
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the pilot which phone shape it has worn
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into the pocket and i never i still
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don't fit
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I mean obviously my first almost six and
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it's big and I'm not that I'm afraid of
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ending a lot of kind of amp but I feel a
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little bit of pressure in my pocket when
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i put in any of my pockets and so it
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just doesn't go in my pants pockets only
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goes my jacket pockets ever
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I mean I put it in my back pocket when
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I'm walking around the house knowing
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that I'm not going to sit down but it's
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like that's in short-term memory that's
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in like a little and m1 in the
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calculator you have a phone in your back
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pocket don't sit down like that is
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top-of-the-line soon as the phone goes
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in my back pocket and it comes right out
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of my back pocket I never sit down with
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it in any my pockets they just feel
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uncomfortable even if it wasn't gonna
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Bend I wouldn't mind you that busy would
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feel uncomfortable to me to do that so
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what what else is in the short-term
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memory because this is what i get like I
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don't it's high enough in there that
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I've never actually done it I've never
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accidentally sat down with my phone my
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pants pocket so like as soon as i put in
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there like whatever you know whatever
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the highest priority like that that the
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the registers in my mind like this
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that's not an l1 caches in a register
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like you have a phone in your pocket
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don't sit down but you're such a nerd
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wow what do you when you bring your
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phone out in the summer what do you do
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when you're not wearing a jacket
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where do you put it from going somewhere
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in that i'm trying to think about it so
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i will put it in my shorts pockets are
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shorts in the summer because the shorts
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are in jeans and jean shorts right there
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just laid there loser right and so that
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and they have big big have bigger
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pockets and i will do that so we'll go
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to the store or whatever within my and I
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will sit down with it because they're
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only front pockets on my shorts was
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around with my shorts pocket just not in
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jeans so I guess it hasn't come up if it
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did come up i probably what I would do
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is put on my back pocket and just be
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walking around and I sat down take it
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out of my backpack and just hold I don't
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know how they come up
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I don't my clothes are very utilitarian
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I don't wear anything
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nice enough that i had to worry about
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this is just scrub shorts in the summer
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time and all the rest of time jeans and
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then I have some kind of jacket because
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i'm always freezing and the air
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conditioning
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well I photo goes to my right front
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pocket even with the six sighs you're
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able to pull that off you must have
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loser jeans and I do
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probably i I've been doing it just fine
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but i did i do the front left pocket
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which is the standard pocket for people
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who are over about the age of 30 right
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by your phone's been no no no no and I
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never had that with anyone with mi6
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series someone to work i did i notice
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notice their iphone and I'm like you
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know your phones but I feel bad telling
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people this like first is more like you
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tell you this but is your phone bentwood
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like I thought like maybe I could
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already seen but maybe was people been
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denied that i think it was a six like
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not been a lot not a big deal but enough
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that I can spot it mind i'm pretty sure
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it's not meant i've dropped i was
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thinking also about the case thing I've
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dropped this song plenty of times like
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onto the carpet or onto like a you know
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wooden floor whatever from reasonable
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height from like nightstand height or
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whatever that's why the corners in my
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case connect up and I'm like does that
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affect my caseless decision would have
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broken my screen on any of those Falls
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it didn't have the leather case would
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have been to the side of it like
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christina warren well she did with it
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huge dent in it because i don't know i'm
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so paranoid with like so I someone was
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asking about like oh the self polishing
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thing I tweeted a picture of my little I
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think you guys seen my little it's not
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microfiber but it's like a velvety kind
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of synthetic cloth
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yeah edge so I've got a leather case and
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then I always put it in that pouch
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around traveling and even though it's in
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a leather case and in the pouch it still
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never goes in the same pocket as my keys
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oh no that mean that's that should be
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illegal but the same pocket as keys I
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mean that's no this this is the whole
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reason why the by the correct pocket if
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you're over about the age of 30 is the
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left front pocket because we got because
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it what happened to a lot of people
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myself included is you first we first
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developed our habits before phones were
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thing you know what we're really in high
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school and college like we we develop
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the habits of having your keys and
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wallet and his most people are
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right-handed the most sensible place to
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put those your front right pocket and
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then when phones came out
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the only sensible place them to go was
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still in the front pocket for easy reach
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if your front pocket person at all but
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your front right pocket was already
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taken with your wallet and keys you
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don't want to scratch up your phone so
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you put your phone in your front left
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whoa whoa whoa no you do not put your
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wallet in your front pocket that is
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barbaric
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if you're always too big to fit in your
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front pocket your wallet is too big in
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our country boy and I'm putting your
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beauty you put if you put your wallet in
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your back pocket that's easier to steal
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yeah that's why on the rare occasions
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i'm in a place where i fear for these
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things Apollo Robbins could be around
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every corner and he had to just listen
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to that a that reconcile differences
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anyway you are right Marco for those who
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use keys but we are in this new amazing
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world it was temporary automobiles and
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so around when i got my BMW i flopped
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and the phone went from left pocket the
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right pocket keys went from right pocket
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the left pocket and that is far and away
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the better way to do it if you have a
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car that has keyless entry and keyless
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start and I kicked my keys out of the
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right side to one side once the iOS
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devices started coming and mostly
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because I didn't trust my email
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coordinate left-hand successfully
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extract my phone without dropping a hard
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surface so totally the keys but I don't
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know drop the keys whatever he's went to
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the left and as I'm talking about jacket
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pocket so those parties I don't put
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either one of my pants pockets he went
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to the left phone on the right wall on
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the right
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yeah I guess I just developed a very you
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know agile left hand because that's just
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where like you know first when I was
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really young it was like a palm pilot
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and then eventually it became a phone
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that was what was in the left pocket and
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so I've always been a like if I'm using
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my phone one-handed it's my left hand
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even though I'm right-handed this like
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people who don't do this drives like
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this blows their mind that anybody would
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do this with their non-dominant hand if
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you're not dropping it must work I don't
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drop it that's just a habit i've
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developed and I here like we will
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definitely hear from other people who
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grew up the same way of like everything
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was in the right pocket and my phone's
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camera and they just kind of went in the
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left pocket because that was available
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and yeah we're going to hear from the
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people there there there are dozens of
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us doesn't what is that about lefties
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about those people just flip everything
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