The Accidental Tech Podcast

187: Putting Plastic on Your Couches


00:00:00   have you guys noticed that this is the [TS]

00:00:02   1000 day anniversary of the mac pro god [TS]

00:00:06   do we really have to talk about that [TS]

00:00:07   already all fired up [TS]

00:00:08   this is the longest Mac Pro has ever [TS]

00:00:10   gone although if you count the 2012 as [TS]

00:00:14   really just 2010 which I would that [TS]

00:00:16   actually is a longer span this is that [TS]

00:00:18   was like 1100 but if you can't them [TS]

00:00:21   separately the way Apple release them [TS]

00:00:22   this is the longest span by a good [TS]

00:00:24   margin yay happy birthday mac pro or [TS]

00:00:28   something but was it you that was [TS]

00:00:30   tweeting the other day that like you're [TS]

00:00:32   talking about next spring or something [TS]

00:00:35   because you thought they weren't gonna [TS]

00:00:36   update the mac pro until they get the [TS]

00:00:37   sky like e in it [TS]

00:00:38   whatever happened to them just using the [TS]

00:00:40   chips that are available now you've [TS]

00:00:41   given up on that amount o we can barely [TS]

00:00:44   get them to use anything the I the last [TS]

00:00:46   thing we're gonna do is use a [TS]

00:00:47   six-month-old ship mean that they're [TS]

00:00:48   going to either wait a six-month-old [TS]

00:00:50   ship is practically new in a [TS]

00:00:51   three-year-old computer that's true but [TS]

00:00:53   this is Apple are talking about Apple [TS]

00:00:55   like the wind blow like the wrong [TS]

00:00:57   direction 1d like what better delay the [TS]

00:00:58   mac pro again for other generation 105 [TS]

00:01:02   my poor computer is going to make it [TS]

00:01:03   that long and nothing and wait until [TS]

00:01:04   like mid to late 20 17 [TS]

00:01:08   I mean I'm get like if I think guess [TS]

00:01:10   like if they're if they're truly waiting [TS]

00:01:11   on Scylla key and they're gonna do an [TS]

00:01:13   update then knowing Intel and also these [TS]

00:01:15   days knowing apple with the mac i'm [TS]

00:01:18   guessing that is not even a spring [TS]

00:01:20   listen I'm guessing that's June [TS]

00:01:21   2016-2017 I'm guessing that's a WBC [TS]

00:01:24   released [TS]

00:01:24   yeah i know i saw that it was like next [TS]

00:01:27   time you everything just apple just [TS]

00:01:29   released with whatever's available now [TS]

00:01:31   and in your GPU so let's dig in [TS]

00:01:36   starting with zakk wylde dowski doing [TS]

00:01:38   what Marco wants with windows as [TS]

00:01:39   possible windows 8 and up supported [TS]

00:01:41   deployment method called windows to go [TS]

00:01:44   I don't care moving on i was ten home [TS]

00:01:46   button behavior this has been less of a [TS]

00:01:48   cluster than I expected so it used to be [TS]

00:01:53   that on iOS 9 you would pick up your [TS]

00:01:56   phone and the screen would not turn on [TS]

00:01:58   and you could press the home button or [TS]

00:02:02   the sleep/wake button which a co-worker [TS]

00:02:04   of mine had no idea was also a wake [TS]

00:02:06   button if he thought it was only a sleep [TS]

00:02:08   button which I thought that was kind of [TS]

00:02:09   amusing [TS]

00:02:09   anyway you could press either the [TS]

00:02:11   sleep/wake button or the home button to [TS]

00:02:12   turn the screen [TS]

00:02:13   on and then naturally if you have touch [TS]

00:02:15   ID particularly on was at the 6th the [TS]

00:02:17   6th at superfast success was ok I'm so [TS]

00:02:20   the success the thing that happened was [TS]

00:02:22   the touch ID was so darn fast that you [TS]

00:02:25   would pick up your phone press the home [TS]

00:02:27   button and touch ID would almost [TS]

00:02:29   instantly authenticate you and you would [TS]

00:02:31   miss all your notifications so when I [TS]

00:02:33   was ten the way apples fix this is when [TS]

00:02:36   you pick up the phone and this is always [TS]

00:02:38   the default settings that is it does [TS]

00:02:39   what I believe they call raised to wake [TS]

00:02:41   and so the screen will come out and show [TS]

00:02:43   your notifications if you press the home [TS]

00:02:45   button then it then it will actually do [TS]

00:02:49   what it used to do which is bringing you [TS]

00:02:51   into the home screen but you could just [TS]

00:02:54   lightly press the home button and get it [TS]

00:02:57   will say the bottom press home to unlock [TS]

00:02:59   and then you can press home again to get [TS]

00:03:02   in your phone it's very wonky i still [TS]

00:03:03   even a month or so in don't particularly [TS]

00:03:06   care for it and I expected the entire [TS]

00:03:10   world to lose their crap about this and [TS]

00:03:13   as it turns out i haven't heard that [TS]

00:03:14   much complaining all told have you guys [TS]

00:03:16   everybody who's machine have upgraded to [TS]

00:03:18   iOS tennis complained about this was [TS]

00:03:20   just includes the three members of my [TS]

00:03:22   family but what do you think about Marco [TS]

00:03:26   I mean I haven't heard that much because [TS]

00:03:28   most of the complaining i heard was [TS]

00:03:30   earlier during the beta period we went [TS]

00:03:32   all the people i know all installed the [TS]

00:03:33   data there may float against most most [TS]

00:03:37   advice so most of the complaining i got [TS]

00:03:40   through back then from around personal [TS]

00:03:41   getting used to it it took me maybe a [TS]

00:03:44   couple days and those fine like i had [TS]

00:03:45   and what I when I first started I [TS]

00:03:47   thought for sure [TS]

00:03:48   oh this is gonna take me a long time to [TS]

00:03:50   get used it's so different on on such a [TS]

00:03:53   common interaction that do constantly [TS]

00:03:54   every day and it just turned out yet was [TS]

00:03:56   a couple days and it's totally fine [TS]

00:03:58   haha i'm jealous because it is still [TS]

00:04:00   taking me awhile to get used to it and [TS]

00:04:01   in fact i was reminded by somebody [TS]

00:04:02   earlier either today or yesterday that [TS]

00:04:05   i'm so it's so ingrained in me to do the [TS]

00:04:08   swipe up to control center and hit the [TS]

00:04:10   bottom right to get the camera from the [TS]

00:04:11   lock screen and it is so much nicer and [TS]

00:04:14   iOS 10 to swipe from right to left but I [TS]

00:04:16   completely forgot that was the thing and [TS]

00:04:19   so I need to also retrain myself on that [TS]

00:04:21   one as well [TS]

00:04:22   yet again few days so I complained about [TS]

00:04:24   this thing [TS]

00:04:25   the last show like had just a last ride [TS]

00:04:28   just upgraded to iOS 10 was on the baby [TS]

00:04:30   i forgot anyway that was I was in a side [TS]

00:04:32   that I complaint this is the one thing [TS]

00:04:34   that annoyed me about it and that [TS]

00:04:35   sentenced me and all of us i guess to a [TS]

00:04:38   good solid week of people telling us how [TS]

00:04:41   to fix this which is what this actually [TS]

00:04:43   fall by name is about like it you don't [TS]

00:04:44   like the new behavior and iOS 10 there's [TS]

00:04:47   a setting to change it back to the old [TS]

00:04:48   behavior although interestingly of the [TS]

00:04:50   setting by the way is in under general [TS]

00:04:52   under accessibility and as a thing [TS]

00:04:53   called home button and there's just one [TS]

00:04:55   little switch you can change it back to [TS]

00:04:56   the old behavior but if you switch back [TS]

00:04:58   to the behavior the text on the screen [TS]

00:04:59   still says like pressed on lock which i [TS]

00:05:02   guess is true it will still unlock it [TS]

00:05:05   but you don't have to press it anymore [TS]

00:05:06   that's the point it just makes it the [TS]

00:05:08   old style thing [TS]

00:05:09   yeah that's a little weird but I mean it [TS]

00:05:11   makes sense all there's also a setting [TS]

00:05:13   for raised awake too by the way my phone [TS]

00:05:14   doesn't have raced away can I don't [TS]

00:05:15   quite understand why annoys me a little [TS]

00:05:17   bit it's only on this success was [TS]

00:05:19   alright i don't know that yet a success [TS]

00:05:21   when you know you get added that [TS]

00:05:22   low-power processor to do to listen for [TS]

00:05:24   hey see all the time and I think that [TS]

00:05:28   same process is responsible for [TS]

00:05:29   constantly monitoring the motion to to [TS]

00:05:32   do that [TS]

00:05:32   yes i miss out on that but I changed it [TS]

00:05:35   back just because I don't want to have [TS]

00:05:36   to do you like what i consider to be the [TS]

00:05:38   extra press and I also configure all my [TS]

00:05:41   family's devices to be like that after [TS]

00:05:44   they complained and so no you know as [TS]

00:05:46   far as my family concerned nothing has [TS]

00:05:47   changed about this the SC i really want [TS]

00:05:50   to change it back but I'm trying to [TS]

00:05:51   train myself like Marco had succeeded in [TS]

00:05:53   doing in and get myself used to it [TS]

00:05:56   because i really prefer to be to [TS]

00:06:00   tactically deploy my home settings [TS]

00:06:02   tweaks when i get onto a new device that [TS]

00:06:05   that's applicable to the mac and into [TS]

00:06:07   any iOS device so i try to be cool with [TS]

00:06:11   the defaults but sometimes he just can't [TS]

00:06:14   live with it but this one I'm trying to [TS]

00:06:16   get over and I think i will just take me [TS]

00:06:18   longer than I took Marco somebody asked [TS]

00:06:20   the question at least in the show notes [TS]

00:06:22   anyway why not five finger pinch so on [TS]

00:06:24   the ipad i believe it's optional [TS]

00:06:26   certainly use the optional you can [TS]

00:06:27   enable multitasking gestures and so far [TS]

00:06:31   as an example i believe it's a four [TS]

00:06:32   finger swipe will go will swipe you [TS]

00:06:34   between apps which I love and use [TS]

00:06:36   constantly and i also use constantly [TS]

00:06:38   five finger pinch on the ipad which is [TS]

00:06:42   you put all five fingers on the screen [TS]

00:06:43   bring them closer together and that will [TS]

00:06:45   bring you back to the home screen Wi-Fi [TS]

00:06:47   finger pinch on an iPhone because it's [TS]

00:06:49   just not that big man I mean that's what [TS]

00:06:50   I would think that's not what the [TS]

00:06:51   question is about the question was about [TS]

00:06:53   my my last week's complained about how I [TS]

00:06:55   don't like hitting it was all about the [TS]

00:06:57   home but now I don't like hitting the [TS]

00:06:58   home button like actual pressing a [TS]

00:06:59   physical button when I want to go back [TS]

00:07:00   to the home screen because it feels like [TS]

00:07:02   when i'm on my iPad just like no [TS]

00:07:03   touchscreen touchscreen there but this [TS]

00:07:05   one thing that I want to do frequently [TS]

00:07:07   go back to springboard or whatever I [TS]

00:07:09   have to press this physical button and [TS]

00:07:11   especially like the ipad is like resting [TS]

00:07:14   on a pillow or something yeah the home [TS]

00:07:16   button could be like down and the little [TS]

00:07:18   creases of the pillow is just it's not [TS]

00:07:20   as nice as touching everything else so [TS]

00:07:21   the question is why I just use my [TS]

00:07:22   fingers to pinch it gets rid of all that [TS]

00:07:23   you don't touch the home button all your [TS]

00:07:25   interactions with the screen and I love [TS]

00:07:28   five finger pinch but there has always [TS]

00:07:31   been something stopping me from enabling [TS]

00:07:34   it in the beginning was fruit ninja [TS]

00:07:35   obviously because if you want to have [TS]

00:07:36   for dinner on your iPad you wanna let [TS]

00:07:38   your kids play it you cannot enable [TS]

00:07:40   these gestures because the kids will [TS]

00:07:42   forever be going back to the home screen [TS]

00:07:43   when they're trying to slice through [TS]

00:07:44   watermelons or whatever and these days [TS]

00:07:47   uh I have a terrific my Twitter [TS]

00:07:50   application has many gestures you can do [TS]

00:07:52   one of them i think it's like a [TS]

00:07:53   two-finger vertical swipe for something [TS]

00:07:55   to change Twitter accounts and when i do [TS]

00:07:58   the five finger pinch it sends you back [TS]

00:07:59   to springboard but when i go back to [TS]

00:08:01   twitter it's on a different account so [TS]

00:08:02   weird and so I know it's just [TS]

00:08:04   is it just the way that I'm doing the [TS]

00:08:05   gesture am i tripping the two finger [TS]

00:08:07   gesture recognizer before I trip the OS [TS]

00:08:10   wide five finger thing I don't know but [TS]

00:08:12   anyway what it boils down to is I still [TS]

00:08:15   cannot get clear of applications that i [TS]

00:08:17   use everyday that are sort of not nicely [TS]

00:08:21   compatible with five finger pitch which [TS]

00:08:23   is not great because i really got a dick [TS]

00:08:25   to do when i started using it before I [TS]

00:08:26   realized it had to disable because [TS]

00:08:28   essentially my ipad was broken for the [TS]

00:08:30   purposes of small children playing fruit [TS]

00:08:31   ninja and now i really haven't gone back [TS]

00:08:34   to what that means i'm still stuck up [TS]

00:08:36   pressing the home button and what I [TS]

00:08:38   learned from this home button behavior [TS]

00:08:41   change and I understand is that a lot of [TS]

00:08:44   people have ingrained habits for like [TS]

00:08:46   pick up your device and unlock it a lot [TS]

00:08:49   of people are complaining about this [TS]

00:08:51   chain [TS]

00:08:51   Jim behavior made the number one tip [TS]

00:08:54   I've seen on Twitter for iOS 10 both [TS]

00:08:56   directed at me and just you know going [TS]

00:08:58   crosswise everyone else's all the [TS]

00:08:59   setting to change it back to the old [TS]

00:09:00   lady do it do it do it but if I had [TS]

00:09:02   raised awake i'm not sure i would change [TS]

00:09:04   it because I would try to pick up the [TS]

00:09:06   new habit which is if you just want to [TS]

00:09:08   see stuff on the lockscreen don't touch [TS]

00:09:09   anything just pick the phone number that [TS]

00:09:10   works consistently that's better you [TS]

00:09:12   know that's better than doing of the [TS]

00:09:14   reason I don't want to do the pressing [TS]

00:09:15   on my phone is it's like it's an extra [TS]

00:09:16   effort [TS]

00:09:17   well this is one fewer things you have [TS]

00:09:19   to do just pick up the phone so i don't [TS]

00:09:21   know i don't have a phone that has a [TS]

00:09:23   feature eventually i probably will and I [TS]

00:09:25   might go back and give it a try but even [TS]

00:09:27   probably are you moving to android next [TS]

00:09:29   year [TS]

00:09:29   no just eventually haha but the other [TS]

00:09:33   thing I learned is that lots of people [TS]

00:09:34   have strange habits related to the home [TS]

00:09:37   button one I didn't put this in a note [TS]

00:09:39   so i don't have the URL but you guys [TS]

00:09:41   read this story about the habits related [TS]

00:09:46   to the home button in the Far East [TS]

00:09:48   oh yes where this was talked about [TS]

00:09:51   somewhere I think Ruby brought it up and [TS]

00:09:52   I heard it somewhere else as well [TS]

00:09:54   yeah so this was a apparently the inn in [TS]

00:09:57   the Far East like China Japan you know [TS]

00:09:59   indonesian whole region [TS]

00:10:01   apparently it's very popular for iOS [TS]

00:10:04   devices to enable the assistive touch [TS]

00:10:06   feature which basically puts like the [TS]

00:10:07   equivalent of the home button somewhere [TS]

00:10:09   on your screen [TS]

00:10:10   i think i've been able this way back [TS]

00:10:12   when I have an available that in years [TS]

00:10:13   though but if i give you if you have [TS]

00:10:15   trouble using the home button they will [TS]

00:10:17   put some control but always visible [TS]

00:10:18   controls on top of the screen that will [TS]

00:10:21   do the same thing as the home button and [TS]

00:10:24   this is apparently very popular [TS]

00:10:26   everybody does it and if so if you go if [TS]

00:10:30   you go too far you see people using an [TS]

00:10:32   iOS device you see about the junk on [TS]

00:10:33   their screen [TS]

00:10:34   I think it's like always on top always [TS]

00:10:36   visible otherwise how would it work and [TS]

00:10:38   so people are moving that stuff out of [TS]

00:10:39   the way like when they want to see [TS]

00:10:40   what's in the corner of the screen but [TS]

00:10:41   this like you is covering it they move [TS]

00:10:43   it out of the way so i can see the other [TS]

00:10:44   stuff like they're from my perspective [TS]

00:10:46   they're making their phone harder to use [TS]

00:10:50   by putting some always visible UI on top [TS]

00:10:53   of the screen that the people making the [TS]

00:10:54   applications don't expect to be if they [TS]

00:10:56   have to manage and move around and [TS]

00:10:59   they're doing this because they think [TS]

00:11:01   that using the home button will break it [TS]

00:11:03   and this is one of those another [TS]

00:11:05   Rose you know it's a superstition based [TS]

00:11:07   on real things because the i think is [TS]

00:11:09   the iphone four home button has in [TS]

00:11:11   reliability problems for 4s and maybe [TS]

00:11:14   five also it seemed to stop for sure [TS]

00:11:16   when the touch ID sensor came in the 5s [TS]

00:11:18   yeah although all iphones forever have [TS]

00:11:22   had you know some degree of failing home [TS]

00:11:24   buttons just because it's a very [TS]

00:11:25   frequently used button and there's some [TS]

00:11:27   failure rate for certain number of [TS]

00:11:29   clicks right but the four is the one I [TS]

00:11:30   remember I was you know it was way [TS]

00:11:32   out-of-bounds for what you'd expect to [TS]

00:11:35   failure rate to be this story I read [TS]

00:11:38   about this home button thing was like [TS]

00:11:40   their angle was that people feel like a [TS]

00:11:44   broken home button hurts the resale [TS]

00:11:46   value so they don't want to ever use the [TS]

00:11:49   home button so that when they sell it [TS]

00:11:51   later to you know you can trade in for [TS]

00:11:53   another owner to sell it to get money to [TS]

00:11:54   buy another phone that it they don't [TS]

00:11:56   won't be hurting its resale value which [TS]

00:11:58   is kind of a mercenary way to think of [TS]

00:12:01   it but it's also kind of like putting [TS]

00:12:03   plastic on your couches and like if no [TS]

00:12:05   one ever uses the home button doesn't [TS]

00:12:08   matter how does it hurt the resale value [TS]

00:12:09   if everybody who will buy and use the [TS]

00:12:12   phone will never use the home button [TS]

00:12:13   because they're all preserving it just [TS]

00:12:15   in case you know the Pope comes one day [TS]

00:12:17   and wants to use the home but it's like [TS]

00:12:18   it's never been used [TS]

00:12:20   finally you can take the plastic off the [TS]

00:12:22   cell phone anyway this isn't one article [TS]

00:12:24   I read on the internet i have no idea if [TS]

00:12:26   it's remotely accurate anyone who lives [TS]

00:12:28   in the Far East by all means send us an [TS]

00:12:30   email and let us know if this is a real [TS]

00:12:32   thing of this is just one of those [TS]

00:12:33   stories that one reporter happened to [TS]

00:12:35   see one thing and now thinks the entire [TS]

00:12:37   region does this mean for it's worth [TS]

00:12:40   I've heard now like since the story's [TS]

00:12:42   been circulating I've heard a lot of [TS]

00:12:43   people who are confirming it from their [TS]

00:12:45   own a coat like oh yeah i live in you [TS]

00:12:47   know x place or iron or a relative a [TS]

00:12:49   friend of mine lives there and this is [TS]

00:12:50   totally a real thing and that was this [TS]

00:12:52   is also expected as an explanation of [TS]

00:12:54   why would I will get rid of the home [TS]

00:12:55   button to try to encourage and like try [TS]

00:12:59   to encourage know potentially millions [TS]

00:13:00   of people to actually use the home [TS]

00:13:02   button again is maybe they'll feel like [TS]

00:13:04   well this button doesn't move so won't [TS]

00:13:05   wear out now I don't think that's going [TS]

00:13:06   to work because they have the [TS]

00:13:07   superstition going for years and years [TS]

00:13:09   you know I obviously moving the unicorn [TS]

00:13:12   that I am I've never had a home [TS]

00:13:14   device and I don't think there are [TS]

00:13:17   particularly bad problems in the post [TS]

00:13:19   touch ID age you know the iphone 4 was [TS]

00:13:21   definitely the bad one and then the [TS]

00:13:22   forest try to improve it but not so [TS]

00:13:24   great and like you said with a five-part [TS]

00:13:25   things I don't know anybody who's ever [TS]

00:13:27   had failed touch ID sensor but i'm sure [TS]

00:13:29   it happens but because it is a physical [TS]

00:13:30   button but anyway I don't know if this [TS]

00:13:32   is going to change things but as people [TS]

00:13:33   on the chat room [TS]

00:13:35   Apple presumably has diagnostic [TS]

00:13:38   information like that little thing [TS]

00:13:39   whether you forgive us opt-in or opt-out [TS]

00:13:40   but you can send Apple diagnostic [TS]

00:13:42   information they must know how many [TS]

00:13:44   people even what regions are using these [TS]

00:13:47   assistive touch features and they'll [TS]

00:13:48   know based on the percentage of the [TS]

00:13:50   population that actually needs those [TS]

00:13:51   features you know because they can use [TS]

00:13:53   the home button it like the numbers much [TS]

00:13:55   scream to them a lot of people are using [TS]

00:13:58   your on their iphones in ways that you [TS]

00:13:59   Apple probably didn't expect so maybe [TS]

00:14:02   address that with your next hardware [TS]

00:14:04   model and so that could be one possible [TS]

00:14:07   thing added in support getting rid of [TS]

00:14:10   the button obvious reason together the [TS]

00:14:11   physical buttons just because things [TS]

00:14:13   don't move it's more reliable and it's [TS]

00:14:14   easier to waterproof right but another [TS]

00:14:16   factor could be done by the way maybe we [TS]

00:14:18   can occur to those millions of people [TS]

00:14:19   who refuse to use the home button that [TS]

00:14:21   maybe it's safe to use it again [TS]

00:14:22   are they gonna spend the rest of the [TS]

00:14:23   time sliding always visible palette [TS]

00:14:26   around the screen so they can see their [TS]

00:14:27   content [TS]

00:14:28   yeah I also i still do want to point out [TS]

00:14:30   one thing though that a this won't solve [TS]

00:14:33   the problem because people will still [TS]

00:14:35   keep doing it because of superstition as [TS]

00:14:37   you mentioned and be this happy kenjan [TS]

00:14:40   now we'll have way more use so it's also [TS]

00:14:44   full of moving parts just differently [TS]

00:14:46   moving parts and the taptic engine in [TS]

00:14:48   the watched eyes all the time and the [TS]

00:14:50   one in the success seems to be ok so far [TS]

00:14:52   as far as i know i don't think we've [TS]

00:14:54   heard anything about that but I wouldn't [TS]

00:14:57   necessarily rule out that a new tactic [TS]

00:14:59   engine that hit that is going to be used [TS]

00:15:01   way more will somehow fail less than a [TS]

00:15:06   simple button we don't think we know [TS]

00:15:08   that yet maybe Apple knows that from [TS]

00:15:09   their own testing I don't know but I [TS]

00:15:11   think in the real world we have yet to [TS]

00:15:12   see that it stands to reason that [TS]

00:15:14   something that sealed inside is better [TS]

00:15:16   than something that's your monkey [TS]

00:15:17   fingers are touching especially like [TS]

00:15:19   buttons when you press them you open up [TS]

00:15:20   a little gap for all sorts of like [TS]

00:15:22   linkedin crumbs and mark and stuff to [TS]

00:15:24   get into its way easier to make a [TS]

00:15:27   internally sealed thing like the I [TS]

00:15:29   remember that the bad vibrating things [TS]

00:15:31   in a watch but those that sounds like an [TS]

00:15:33   early model miniaturization problem i [TS]

00:15:36   also wonder if if the taptic engine [TS]

00:15:38   feels a little bit weaker than normal [TS]

00:15:40   does that you know that people care does [TS]

00:15:42   that hurt the resale value of your of [TS]

00:15:45   your phone I don't know [TS]

00:15:46   anyway this is that like that one [TS]

00:15:48   article i don't know if there's any [TS]

00:15:50   truth behind this but in my own personal [TS]

00:15:53   life I have learned again one messing [TS]

00:15:56   with the the settings for iOS 10 the [TS]

00:15:58   people have weird ways of unlocking [TS]

00:15:59   their devices that you don't learn until [TS]

00:16:01   something changes about you have a [TS]

00:16:02   discussion with it [TS]

00:16:03   my wife presses the sleep/wake button [TS]

00:16:06   and then put your finger on the touch ID [TS]

00:16:09   doesn't make sense to me like why is she [TS]

00:16:11   like this is this pre I was ten right [TS]

00:16:13   that's her that's her pattern picks up [TS]

00:16:14   the last same here front presses touch [TS]

00:16:16   wake and then just touch ID I pick the [TS]

00:16:18   thing up put my thumb and I on the touch [TS]

00:16:21   ID button press it to wake with the [TS]

00:16:22   thing up and just leave my thumb there [TS]

00:16:24   to unlock it right so i'm i'm only going [TS]

00:16:26   to one place and I'm going to the top [TS]

00:16:28   and then to the bottom i'm just going to [TS]

00:16:29   the very bottom LOL okay I can explain [TS]

00:16:31   why I out well for me anyway why that is [TS]

00:16:33   so I'll sleep-wake if I want to just see [TS]

00:16:36   notifications and not instant clear them [TS]

00:16:38   and then if I know that I don't really [TS]

00:16:41   give a crap what notifications i have [TS]

00:16:42   maybe i just looked at my phone 30 [TS]

00:16:44   seconds ago [TS]

00:16:44   then I'll do what you described John and [TS]

00:16:46   just mash my finger down on that on the [TS]

00:16:48   home button and I'll just power right [TS]

00:16:50   through to the home screen but in the [TS]

00:16:52   case that I'm kid I care about [TS]

00:16:53   notifications and again like you said [TS]

00:16:55   pretty iOS 10 i would use the sleep/wake [TS]

00:16:57   button to just turn the screen on let me [TS]

00:16:59   see what i'm doing and then if I want to [TS]

00:17:01   act on one or perhaps just use my phone [TS]

00:17:03   is then i will put my finger on the home [TS]

00:17:06   button and and unlock it does this habit [TS]

00:17:11   come from the superfast touch ID sensor [TS]

00:17:13   were you doing it before the success [TS]

00:17:14   it's a great question [TS]

00:17:17   I I definitely think it was influenced [TS]

00:17:21   by the superfast touch ID i would say i [TS]

00:17:23   don't remember doing it before the [TS]

00:17:25   success I think I retrain myself after I [TS]

00:17:27   got the success [TS]

00:17:28   yeah maybe I'll change the 1i have the [TS]

00:17:29   faster sensor on the sex i don't have [TS]

00:17:31   those problems i can if the same thing I [TS]

00:17:33   just wanna like what's on the screen i [TS]

00:17:34   was hit and doesn't go [TS]

00:17:35   that's enough so it's a problem and my [TS]

00:17:36   son refuses to use touch ID he enters [TS]

00:17:39   his code every time people seriously he [TS]

00:17:41   hits the sleep/wake button then he wants [TS]

00:17:43   to iOS 10 people what he wanted to do [TS]

00:17:44   was how do i get to the to the screen [TS]

00:17:46   that has the numbers right so we get to [TS]

00:17:48   sleep wake button and my god for Swiper [TS]

00:17:50   whatever to get to the number thing he [TS]

00:17:52   has an ipad with touch ID doesn't use [TS]

00:17:55   that's crazy to me huh [TS]

00:17:57   I think he feels like the numbers are [TS]

00:17:59   more reliable like they work every time [TS]

00:18:01   and he's not pausing and waiting it's [TS]

00:18:03   kind of you know the way my jeans for [TS]

00:18:05   this like that you should never waiting [TS]

00:18:07   it doesn't wanna be waiting for the [TS]

00:18:08   computer and so putting your finger and [TS]

00:18:11   touching and waiting to see if it [TS]

00:18:12   succeeds and picking up and putting it [TS]

00:18:13   down it's like the the numbers are [TS]

00:18:15   deterministic it's going to take the [TS]

00:18:16   same amount of time every time during [TS]

00:18:18   that time he's always doing something [TS]

00:18:20   like he's not waiting even though if you [TS]

00:18:22   were to stop watching probably faster to [TS]

00:18:24   touch ID you know it just feels like I'm [TS]

00:18:26   busy i'm doing things unlock thing and [TS]

00:18:28   it's probably more reliable for him he [TS]

00:18:30   also has a slightly sensors got an old [TS]

00:18:32   ipad alright let's see what else we got [TS]

00:18:36   here a nick guy who is the next guy on [TS]

00:18:39   Twitter rights in to say this iphone 7 [TS]

00:18:43   smart battery cases 2365 milliamp hours [TS]

00:18:46   which is up from 1877 for the iphone 6 [TS]

00:18:50   didn't notice it look any bigger like [TS]

00:18:53   maybe it's a little bit thicker i have [TS]

00:18:55   one right here compared to the old one [TS]

00:18:57   just visually it feels about the same [TS]

00:19:00   the only major difference is obviously [TS]

00:19:03   the the headphone jack removal and so [TS]

00:19:05   it's just which of the two like line [TS]

00:19:07   shape girls in the bottle instead of the [TS]

00:19:08   one-line the one dot and the giant [TS]

00:19:10   camera cut out those are the things that [TS]

00:19:12   makes your buttons because of the [TS]

00:19:14   formation giant camera cut out if you [TS]

00:19:16   have a smart battery case from the [TS]

00:19:19   success it will not fit seven it's [TS]

00:19:21   interesting that made the battery case [TS]

00:19:22   bigger on the iphone 7 which also has [TS]

00:19:24   better battery life so more battery for [TS]

00:19:27   everybody [TS]

00:19:27   well it makes it makes it more [TS]

00:19:28   reasonable of the thing to buy and it [TS]

00:19:31   makes their price little more reasonable [TS]

00:19:32   you know obviously you can get lots of [TS]

00:19:33   Cheaper cases for look for you know all [TS]

00:19:35   this money but to have only like the the [TS]

00:19:37   1900 or whatever it was [TS]

00:19:39   now to have a 2400 like that makes it a [TS]

00:19:41   little bit better because before you [TS]

00:19:42   know that the main complaints about it [TS]

00:19:44   were it's ugly it's ugly it's also [TS]

00:19:47   really ugly [TS]

00:19:48   and also that's not a lot of capacity [TS]

00:19:50   for the price so now you kind of help [TS]

00:19:54   that last one it's still not a great [TS]

00:19:56   bargain like price-wise if you look at [TS]

00:19:57   other battery cases but as I mentioned [TS]

00:19:59   before like we're totally conference in [TS]

00:20:01   this family date they actually work [TS]

00:20:03   really well i think if you're going to [TS]

00:20:05   use a battery case on a regular basis i [TS]

00:20:08   can recommend the apple one so it's nice [TS]

00:20:10   that it has a little bit more capacity [TS]

00:20:12   now and it doesn't feel like noticeably [TS]

00:20:14   heavier I think that you're making for [TS]

00:20:16   the plus it would mean obviously it [TS]

00:20:18   would be really big and really heavy [TS]

00:20:21   yeah but it's interesting you know that [TS]

00:20:23   the the if you want if you want the the [TS]

00:20:26   most battery life in a phone a regular [TS]

00:20:28   6s or seven in the battery case will [TS]

00:20:31   last way longer than a plus by itself i [TS]

00:20:34   know that's why I think the plus needs [TS]

00:20:36   it because I think of the plus as like [TS]

00:20:37   and the new ipad mini right like if you [TS]

00:20:41   put a plus in a battery case that you [TS]

00:20:44   could actually take that in a long car [TS]

00:20:45   trip and like play games on it and not [TS]

00:20:47   kill it like is the plus is supposed to [TS]

00:20:48   be I don't mind the humongous I don't [TS]

00:20:51   mind the extra weight i just want as [TS]

00:20:52   much battery life as possible and [TS]

00:20:54   putting the battery case only on the [TS]

00:20:56   smaller model muddies the water is like [TS]

00:20:58   well you know I can read and regular [TS]

00:21:00   people who are like trying to do the [TS]

00:21:01   math on the milliamp hours something [TS]

00:21:03   which is longer the the gigantic plus or [TS]

00:21:07   the regular 7 with a lump on its back [TS]

00:21:09   and the regular 71 points back wins but [TS]

00:21:11   it's not obvious that excitation make it [TS]

00:21:13   for the plus and they should also have [TS]

00:21:14   that lump go across the entire back i [TS]

00:21:17   can think of lots of reasons why they [TS]

00:21:18   don't make it for the plus I mean chief [TS]

00:21:20   among them is size obviously but also i [TS]

00:21:23   do think there's a lot fewer people who [TS]

00:21:24   need it because the plus does have [TS]

00:21:25   longer battery life when the screen is [TS]

00:21:27   on not by a lot but slightly longer [TS]

00:21:29   better than the screen is on when the [TS]

00:21:30   screen is off it has substantially more [TS]

00:21:32   battery life because you know things [TS]

00:21:34   like it the screen is often it's just [TS]

00:21:36   doing things like playing music over [TS]

00:21:38   bluetooth or something like that it's [TS]

00:21:39   going to use the same amount of power as [TS]

00:21:41   the res like that the small phone that [TS]

00:21:43   are the medium phone at this 4.7 inch [TS]

00:21:45   version the only uses more power when [TS]

00:21:48   the screen is on so it has a battery [TS]

00:21:50   that is sized for the screen to be on [TS]

00:21:52   and to roughly match or slightly exceed [TS]

00:21:54   the power of the smaller phone but if [TS]

00:21:56   most of usage of the phone is with the [TS]

00:21:58   screen off then it can last like fifty [TS]

00:22:01   percent more [TS]

00:22:02   like it'sit's a huge difference in how [TS]

00:22:04   much better last that way it'll depend [TS]

00:22:07   on your usage whether the battery cases [TS]

00:22:09   even necessary for the plus for most [TS]

00:22:10   people and i think that i think enough [TS]

00:22:12   people would fall into that usage [TS]

00:22:14   pattern of its not released for them [TS]

00:22:16   that it there's a lot less demand for in [TS]

00:22:18   addition to the massive size that it [TS]

00:22:21   would be as that in the resulting device [TS]

00:22:23   with the better case would be will be [TS]

00:22:25   quite ridiculous and there are other [TS]

00:22:27   people who make battery cases for the [TS]

00:22:29   plus and they do look ridiculous [TS]

00:22:31   so I totally get why Apple is not [TS]

00:22:33   released theirs [TS]

00:22:34   yeah i guess i'm thinking like a kid in [TS]

00:22:35   the back of a car was the video games [TS]

00:22:37   for a whole like three-hour car trip and [TS]

00:22:39   there's going to be like burning the [TS]

00:22:41   battery the entire time they love a [TS]

00:22:43   better is that means it's not any bigger [TS]

00:22:45   than like a you know a traditional [TS]

00:22:47   handheld game thing like this that are [TS]

00:22:49   sitting there they were already there [TS]

00:22:50   are to accept the plus like why not why [TS]

00:22:52   not just carry around a 12.5 inch iPad [TS]

00:22:54   pro with you everywhere [TS]

00:22:55   might as well we respond to this week by [TS]

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00:23:04   my favorite webhost simple as that i've [TS]

00:23:07   been using them for a long time now [TS]

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00:23:55   performance increase it is really [TS]

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00:24:01   you can run containers and you can run [TS]

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00:24:38   ah so some people have noticed that your [TS]

00:24:44   wishes have been granted John and the [TS]

00:24:46   Apple leather case now has metal buttons [TS]

00:24:49   for the iphone 7 that was my wish though [TS]

00:24:51   when i was talking about my by pimply [TS]

00:24:53   iphone 6 leather case that look really [TS]

00:24:56   good right up until maybe three months [TS]

00:24:58   ago and started to get all roughly for [TS]

00:25:00   some reason it was in the discussion of [TS]

00:25:02   the home button like how does it feel to [TS]

00:25:04   press the button that doesn't actually [TS]

00:25:05   move on a small device like this and i [TS]

00:25:07   was saying that I'm I my roughly case [TS]

00:25:09   when i press the volume buttons like [TS]

00:25:11   nothing moves like I'm basically just [TS]

00:25:12   applying pressure to these lumps and [TS]

00:25:14   what I was saying I was like back to [TS]

00:25:15   this got like why why did the volume [TS]

00:25:17   buttons that iphone 7 move it off the [TS]

00:25:18   homeland doesn't want the volume buttons [TS]

00:25:20   know what I was saying is that i think [TS]

00:25:21   it would be okay if on the iphone 7 the [TS]

00:25:24   volume buttons didn't move the [TS]

00:25:25   sleep/wake button didn't move like they [TS]

00:25:27   were just pressure sensitive because [TS]

00:25:27   obviously I'm okay with it on my 67 it [TS]

00:25:29   doesn't bother me [TS]

00:25:30   not only am i okay with myself I can't [TS]

00:25:32   even feel the edges of these bots are [TS]

00:25:33   likely just like the slightly more [TS]

00:25:34   raised pimply area like they're very [TS]

00:25:36   indistinct if they had sharply creased [TS]

00:25:38   cut buttons that just did not move and [TS]

00:25:41   we're pressure-sensitive I think I would [TS]

00:25:44   be okay with that and so an apple was it [TS]

00:25:45   like a few moving parts right everybody [TS]

00:25:47   loves it but instead what they did with [TS]

00:25:50   the Apple other cases for the iphone 7 [TS]

00:25:51   is they made it so I don't have to deal [TS]

00:25:53   with these roughly things anymore now [TS]

00:25:55   you've got a nice metal buttons which I [TS]

00:25:56   think they did on the they did on the [TS]

00:25:59   bumper maybe are the head i think the [TS]

00:26:01   bumper had some other kind of Pastor [TS]

00:26:02   thing where there was like a a hard [TS]

00:26:05   physical thing that when you pressed [TS]

00:26:07   with slide down and press the button [TS]

00:26:08   that was underneath rather than coding [TS]

00:26:09   over with leather but anyway I think [TS]

00:26:11   you're right to shoot that is sure to be [TS]

00:26:13   that the new case is obviously an [TS]

00:26:15   improvement [TS]

00:26:15   sure to feel better it certainly looks [TS]

00:26:17   better to have metal buttons poking out [TS]

00:26:19   of your leather case and I bet those [TS]

00:26:21   won't have the same problem of getting [TS]

00:26:23   gross but I still maintain that even [TS]

00:26:26   more than the home button i think is the [TS]

00:26:27   home button haven't tried it maybe I [TS]

00:26:28   hated right but the volume and power [TS]

00:26:30   buttons i've been using essentially [TS]

00:26:32   non-moving volume and power buttons for [TS]

00:26:34   a long time now and I'm totally fine [TS]

00:26:36   with it [TS]

00:26:36   on the other hand in my phone doesn't [TS]

00:26:37   vibrate when i press meters that [TS]

00:26:38   probably helps so if on the fancy 10th [TS]

00:26:42   anniversary iphone 8 or whatever iphone [TS]

00:26:45   7s or they call it if that has [TS]

00:26:47   sleep-wake and volume buttons don't move [TS]

00:26:50   i'm already on board with that home [TS]

00:26:53   button curious too long as I'm driving [TS]

00:26:55   alright are the lightning earpods [TS]

00:26:57   digital and follow-on why do we care [TS]

00:27:01   I can mostly for curiosity I mean the [TS]

00:27:04   automarketer do have an audio reason to [TS]

00:27:06   care [TS]

00:27:07   not really I mean so basically the [TS]

00:27:09   through various like statements ramble [TS]

00:27:11   PR representatives and various things [TS]

00:27:13   confirmed by various people the original [TS]

00:27:15   story that that we had heard and read [TS]

00:27:17   and talked about on the show that Makka [TS]

00:27:19   Torah reported like forever ago that the [TS]

00:27:22   iphone 7 lightning port was going to be [TS]

00:27:24   special and it was going to have a mode [TS]

00:27:26   where it could output analog audio over [TS]

00:27:29   the pins and therefore the the the [TS]

00:27:32   devices put into it like the the new [TS]

00:27:34   lighting headphones and the headphone [TS]

00:27:35   adapter could be really really simple [TS]

00:27:37   that is apparently not the case that [TS]

00:27:39   apparently all waiting for treated the [TS]

00:27:42   same this port is not different from the [TS]

00:27:43   rest of them [TS]

00:27:44   he's not in that way as far as we know [TS]

00:27:45   and it does it end at the the Lightning [TS]

00:27:48   headphones and the lightning to [TS]

00:27:50   headphone adapter for nine dollars are [TS]

00:27:52   both full digital lighting devices that [TS]

00:27:56   include an audio DAC and a little mini [TS]

00:27:58   amp in there a lot of people have asked [TS]

00:28:01   me what I think about this whether it's [TS]

00:28:03   possible whether it's good because it's [TS]

00:28:05   so cheap and the quick answer is you [TS]

00:28:08   know with a disclaimer that i'm not an [TS]

00:28:09   expert in manufacturing little Jack amp [TS]

00:28:12   chips are very plentiful very common and [TS]

00:28:15   very cheap and the one on the phone [TS]

00:28:17   before was already not like a [TS]

00:28:20   fifty-dollar DAC you're anything like me [TS]

00:28:22   know that the parts in a phoner most of [TS]

00:28:24   the most of them are very very cheap [TS]

00:28:25   parts and the little audio codec chip [TS]

00:28:29   that was in there is almost certainly a [TS]

00:28:32   you know not not very expensive part to [TS]

00:28:34   begin with the one that they put in the [TS]

00:28:36   headphone adapter which also need must [TS]

00:28:39   include a sec go in the other direction [TS]

00:28:41   because microphone involved so the but [TS]

00:28:43   the ones the one they put in there is [TS]

00:28:45   probably going to be similar quality [TS]

00:28:48   than the one they have already the phone [TS]

00:28:49   I I don't expect it to be noticeably [TS]

00:28:51   different i'm generally Adak quality [TS]

00:28:54   skeptic a lot of audio people think that [TS]

00:28:58   you have to have a really amazing [TS]

00:29:00   complicated and key factor here [TS]

00:29:03   expensive DAC and / amp or both in order [TS]

00:29:08   to have good audio performance and and [TS]

00:29:10   I'm generally a skeptic on Jackson amps [TS]

00:29:12   it is very very rare that I ever hear [TS]

00:29:15   any difference whatsoever even with very [TS]

00:29:17   good ones vs very crappy ones it is [TS]

00:29:19   extremely rare to hear a difference [TS]

00:29:22   whatsoever and on the headphones that [TS]

00:29:23   almost everybody is using with their [TS]

00:29:24   iphones it would be extremely difficult [TS]

00:29:26   for anybody ever to notice a real [TS]

00:29:29   difference between Jax and apps so that [TS]

00:29:33   being said it is indeed totally possible [TS]

00:29:35   for Apple to to make and sell a whole [TS]

00:29:39   bunch of little crappy adapters for nine [TS]

00:29:40   dollars that include a digital that ship [TS]

00:29:43   in there especially since Apple [TS]

00:29:45   themselves do not need to pay the mfi [TS]

00:29:47   licensing fee for the Lightning chips in [TS]

00:29:50   there so that also helps a lot [TS]

00:29:52   I'd for that reason alone I don't expect [TS]

00:29:55   to see a lot of third party ones that [TS]

00:29:57   are near that price point but we will [TS]

00:29:59   find out I guess so the interesting [TS]

00:30:01   thing to me about this technically is [TS]

00:30:05   someone of the potential promises of [TS]

00:30:08   digital audio is you can convert from [TS]

00:30:12   digital to analog sort of at the last [TS]

00:30:14   second [TS]

00:30:15   right so you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:30:17   transmitting an audio signal over [TS]

00:30:19   potentially long wire very thin wire [TS]

00:30:21   probably doesn't have you know that not [TS]

00:30:23   particularly sturdy wire they could [TS]

00:30:25   potentially fray or you know I good [TS]

00:30:27   everyone's had headphones or one year [TS]

00:30:29   starts cutting out or like the wire [TS]

00:30:30   starts to fray or or if you have like a [TS]

00:30:32   plug thing you plug things into your car [TS]

00:30:34   with write those wires coming out [TS]

00:30:36   because they're not super heavy duty and [TS]

00:30:38   if what you're transmitting over there [TS]

00:30:39   is analog audio as you're wearing down [TS]

00:30:42   that wire or something bad is happening [TS]

00:30:43   to his passing close to something that's [TS]

00:30:45   magnetic or whatever it can mess with [TS]

00:30:47   your signal and start to sound more so [TS]

00:30:50   this is theoretical right but it could [TS]

00:30:52   happen and so I go we'll send digital [TS]

00:30:55   digital robust we got to do is be able [TS]

00:30:56   to distinguish between a1 and a0 it's [TS]

00:30:58   much easier than maintaining the fine [TS]

00:30:59   details of frequency and amplitude of an [TS]

00:31:01   analog signal and then just the last [TS]

00:31:04   second before it goes into ears will [TS]

00:31:05   convert that with our tiny little decks [TS]

00:31:07   into an analog signal did we say that is [TS]

00:31:12   digital-to-analog converter get enough [TS]

00:31:15   people know that but that's what we're [TS]

00:31:16   saying we're saying all caps the AC [TS]

00:31:18   right in and so you have to understand [TS]

00:31:20   that in order to hear audio you need to [TS]

00:31:23   go from ones and zeros into a wave in [TS]

00:31:26   into something that that a speaker can [TS]

00:31:27   play and so the debate is is the [TS]

00:31:30   conversion from digital to analog by a [TS]

00:31:33   digital-to-analog converter DAC or DAC [TS]

00:31:35   does that happen in the phone does that [TS]

00:31:37   happen after leaves the phone so with [TS]

00:31:39   what's coming out of the phone through [TS]

00:31:40   the Lightning port is just ones and [TS]

00:31:42   zeros and then eventually gets converted [TS]

00:31:43   that's that's the crux of the [TS]

00:31:45   conversation right and and there's lots [TS]

00:31:47   of different ways to do that it is not [TS]

00:31:49   actually a simple problem electrically [TS]

00:31:51   to solve two to convert those 10 is to [TS]

00:31:53   the corresponding waves the main reality [TS]

00:31:56   of it though is that even though there's [TS]

00:31:58   lots of fancy Dax that can that can do [TS]

00:32:00   like a more accurate job that can [TS]

00:32:01   measure better on on like you know [TS]

00:32:03   official scientific measurement [TS]

00:32:04   machinery the crappy cheap like two [TS]

00:32:07   dollar back and chips all-in-one do a [TS]

00:32:10   good enough job that most people can't [TS]

00:32:12   hear the difference and you'll find that [TS]

00:32:14   Marco prefers digital analog converters [TS]

00:32:16   that have tubes in them because it gives [TS]

00:32:18   that nice warm rich sound that you don't [TS]

00:32:20   get otherwise [TS]

00:32:20   actually I hate tubes their giant pain [TS]

00:32:22   in the butt they pick up static they [TS]

00:32:24   they burn out there asymmetric sometimes [TS]

00:32:26   that they're cheap to suck i'm all [TS]

00:32:28   solid-state over here just messing with [TS]

00:32:30   you and I continued job so the nine [TS]

00:32:33   dollar adapter now that we that we have [TS]

00:32:35   learned basically conclusively that has [TS]

00:32:37   a little digital analog converter [TS]

00:32:39   indicted but what's being said that [TS]

00:32:41   lighting farts digital raises the [TS]

00:32:43   question where is the deck in the wire [TS]

00:32:46   to your pods that come [TS]

00:32:47   it could be that the DAC is in the [TS]

00:32:50   Lightning connector and it's still [TS]

00:32:52   sending [TS]

00:32:52   analog audio across the wire to the wire [TS]

00:32:55   headphones so it only gets like oh yes [TS]

00:32:58   seven millimeters out of the phone [TS]

00:32:59   before its converted by the not the back [TS]

00:33:02   in the phone but by what is presumably [TS]

00:33:04   and even cheaper DAC that's like seven [TS]

00:33:06   millimeters away and then it just sends [TS]

00:33:08   out you know or they could also be in [TS]

00:33:09   the earphones I don't know where it is [TS]

00:33:10   like we I really want i fix it slices [TS]

00:33:13   open to see what that goes inside them [TS]

00:33:14   but it would be kind of weird to to [TS]

00:33:17   bundle the thing with like you know [TS]

00:33:19   quote-unquote digital ear pods that [TS]

00:33:21   merely move the DAC slightly outside the [TS]

00:33:23   case [TS]

00:33:24   oh yeah no that'sthat's all marketing BS [TS]

00:33:26   of course it is very very likely that [TS]

00:33:29   the DAC is in the Lightning connector [TS]

00:33:31   end of it [TS]

00:33:32   yeah that is extremely likely be you [TS]

00:33:33   know just based on the way other [TS]

00:33:35   lightning peripherals are built that is [TS]

00:33:37   that is very likely the case the fact is [TS]

00:33:39   this isn't really solving a real problem [TS]

00:33:41   just like fancied I fancied acts and [TS]

00:33:43   fancy answer portable headphones I don't [TS]

00:33:45   need more amps than what the phone can [TS]

00:33:46   provide like this is solving fake [TS]

00:33:48   problem-solving you know placebo [TS]

00:33:50   problems for most people you know that [TS]

00:33:52   the fact is you're not going to pick up [TS]

00:33:54   a meaningful amount of analog noise that [TS]

00:33:56   will be audible in your headphones from [TS]

00:33:58   the six feet of cable at best that are [TS]

00:34:00   running from the phone to your crappy [TS]

00:34:03   earpods his which is way more likely [TS]

00:34:05   that any flaws in your sound will be [TS]

00:34:08   masked by how crappy those drivers then [TS]

00:34:11   then being audible Bayou the practical [TS]

00:34:14   reality of it would only be in the [TS]

00:34:17   failure modes for people who are like [TS]

00:34:18   there-there pets are chewing on their [TS]

00:34:20   wires are they get caught in card or [TS]

00:34:21   whatever any other sort of cable abuse [TS]

00:34:23   the failure mode for analog is like [TS]

00:34:27   staticky or whatever and I the failure [TS]

00:34:29   mode for digital sounds different [TS]

00:34:31   essentially like yeah let's say that it [TS]

00:34:33   anything that would cause noticeable [TS]

00:34:36   degradation of sound in the analog from [TS]

00:34:38   cable damage would destroy the digital [TS]

00:34:39   signal also because you're talking like [TS]

00:34:41   you know shorts and phrase and [TS]

00:34:43   everything there's no way but it sounds [TS]

00:34:45   different [TS]

00:34:46   it's a difference between static which [TS]

00:34:48   we all know from our childhood and the [TS]

00:34:50   manufacturer static that comes over with [TS]

00:34:51   mpeg-2 compression with the I'm not [TS]

00:34:53   picked up and says you know when you [TS]

00:34:54   turn them on they have this steak and [TS]

00:34:55   egg of static but static is like the [TS]

00:34:57   worst-case scenario for video [TS]

00:34:58   compression algorithm say look stupid [TS]

00:35:00   but anyway yeah like I can imagine the [TS]

00:35:02   failure modes sounding different one [TS]

00:35:05   possible way they sound different [TS]

00:35:06   he's like oh if if the thing is damaged [TS]

00:35:09   enough the digital can't get through you [TS]

00:35:10   hear nothing or it cuts out or whatever [TS]

00:35:12   but I don't even know that to be the [TS]

00:35:13   case but I do know that they would sound [TS]

00:35:14   different because analog has a different [TS]

00:35:16   sort of degradation you know anyway all [TS]

00:35:19   that just means you should get your [TS]

00:35:21   gonna set of headphones because if your [TS]

00:35:22   water is damaged or wires damage it [TS]

00:35:24   doesn't really make a difference but [TS]

00:35:25   academically it's interesting to think [TS]

00:35:27   about this whole because i was one of [TS]

00:35:29   things that all the digital audio it [TS]

00:35:32   didn't really push not too much but like [TS]

00:35:33   the digital audio is better than analog [TS]

00:35:35   audio and really like Marco said it [TS]

00:35:38   doesn't matter at all for these tiny let [TS]

00:35:39   your pods because the sound quality is [TS]

00:35:42   so bad relatively speaking that all [TS]

00:35:45   these other things are ridiculous and [TS]

00:35:46   don't make a big difference but it [TS]

00:35:49   doesn't matter from Apple's parts [TS]

00:35:50   perspective if they could have like I [TS]

00:35:52   mean I'm sure they could have I'm [TS]

00:35:53   interested in why they chose to go with [TS]

00:35:56   tiny little Dax instead of repurposing [TS]

00:35:59   the pins or maybe really wasn't possible [TS]

00:36:00   i don't know but like certainly if [TS]

00:36:01   you're going to pinch pennies you can [TS]

00:36:03   make an even cheaper connector without [TS]

00:36:06   little chips in it right they could have [TS]

00:36:07   gone that route but they didn't commit [TS]

00:36:09   you know maybe they don't maybe just [TS]

00:36:10   they they've used up all their pins and [TS]

00:36:13   resistor combinations on lightning and [TS]

00:36:15   didn't have the ability to repurpose it [TS]

00:36:17   in that way or maybe they really are all [TS]

00:36:20   on board with a digital thing and they [TS]

00:36:21   just want to say no this its digital [TS]

00:36:23   from now on and even if its digital only [TS]

00:36:25   until it gets a couple millimeters [TS]

00:36:26   outside the phone [TS]

00:36:27   that's fine yeah I mean it's probably a [TS]

00:36:29   combination of you know just not having [TS]

00:36:32   anything modified about the phone having [TS]

00:36:34   it be compatible with any lightning [TS]

00:36:36   output on any model phone so if you plug [TS]

00:36:38   it into you know also an ipad or maybe [TS]

00:36:41   down the road of Max have lightning port [TS]

00:36:43   that would be kind of cool you know and [TS]

00:36:45   stuff like that [TS]

00:36:46   compatibility in that way and also i [TS]

00:36:48   think the chip is just so cheap that it [TS]

00:36:51   doesn't really matter like i really [TS]

00:36:52   don't think the difference between like [TS]

00:36:54   the basic job that all lightning [TS]

00:36:56   peripherals have to do to connect to [TS]

00:36:58   lightning the like there's already a [TS]

00:37:00   chip in the connector to do that I bet [TS]

00:37:02   the difference between that and a basic [TS]

00:37:04   deck amp is really not that big about [TS]

00:37:07   the cost of the metal lightning [TS]

00:37:08   connector is more than the cost of the [TS]

00:37:10   chip probably like different from [TS]

00:37:12   Apple's respected in terms of like what [TS]

00:37:13   it takes to manufacture because those [TS]

00:37:15   little packs of they probably [TS]

00:37:16   them for fractions of a cent each but to [TS]

00:37:18   manufacture lightning connector to the [TS]

00:37:19   tolerance is required for those little [TS]

00:37:21   contacts on it that's probably the most [TS]

00:37:23   expensive part of that entire you know [TS]

00:37:24   $9 connect their from a perspective [TS]

00:37:27   yeah fair enough let's talk about those [TS]

00:37:31   air pods which are the wire free version [TS]

00:37:35   of the Lightning year pods we were just [TS]

00:37:37   discussing they have wire they just move [TS]

00:37:39   it now you have a wire to charge up the [TS]

00:37:41   case that the beer pong plug into so you [TS]

00:37:43   have this intermediary object that's [TS]

00:37:45   required for you that has a wire it's [TS]

00:37:47   not a wire it's a whole well okay but [TS]

00:37:49   there's going to be a wire involved to [TS]

00:37:51   that that's the magic flute with it just [TS]

00:37:53   it just moves the wires around what do [TS]

00:37:55   you park your car parking my car whole [TS]

00:37:57   good three [TS]

00:38:00   Wow alright so regardless of whether or [TS]

00:38:03   not their wireless captain pedantic the [TS]

00:38:05   question at hand at the moment is do [TS]

00:38:07   they or do they not have start stop and [TS]

00:38:09   skip controls from what I've understood [TS]

00:38:10   they do sort of so if you take if you [TS]

00:38:16   have both air pods in your ears and take [TS]

00:38:19   one of them out by default it will pause [TS]

00:38:23   whatever you're listening to unless it's [TS]

00:38:24   a telephone call I presume and and you [TS]

00:38:27   can choose to restart that via your [TS]

00:38:30   phone or watch or serious pose in and [TS]

00:38:33   then if you restart it with both [TS]

00:38:35   headphones out of your I'm sorry with [TS]

00:38:36   one hand airport out of your ear then it [TS]

00:38:38   would convert to mono or alternatively [TS]

00:38:42   if you say are trying to listen to [TS]

00:38:44   someone who's talking to you pop one out [TS]

00:38:46   and then pop it back in then it will [TS]

00:38:48   automatically start playing again but [TS]

00:38:50   skipping and volume control all of that [TS]

00:38:53   is done either via Siri or via the phone [TS]

00:38:56   or watch as far as I understood is that [TS]

00:38:57   what you guys had as well [TS]

00:38:59   yeah the presentation they didn't all [TS]

00:39:02   they showed with the but was exactly [TS]

00:39:04   what you described in the presentation [TS]

00:39:05   and I was hoping in the hands-on area [TS]

00:39:07   that I would get more details and when I [TS]

00:39:09   did they basically i go to a case he [TS]

00:39:10   said that like that what i'm looking for [TS]

00:39:13   is not there that you can do everything [TS]

00:39:15   you said and you can talk to Siri and [TS]

00:39:18   that's it i'm looking forward to hearing [TS]

00:39:20   stories about people who are on a bus [TS]

00:39:22   full of other airports users and hear [TS]

00:39:24   everybody say Casey skip forward a sick [TS]

00:39:27   skip forward a sec wait to get back yeah [TS]

00:39:29   is that this is what's making like the [TS]

00:39:31   air pods i totally want to try them this [TS]

00:39:32   is like that's what I've been talking [TS]

00:39:33   about with the wireless thing i would [TS]

00:39:35   love that and yet i don't i can't get [TS]

00:39:37   excited about them if I don't have the [TS]

00:39:38   ability to pause and change volume I [TS]

00:39:41   don't care about skip forward and get [TS]

00:39:42   back all i care about his paws and [TS]

00:39:44   change volume pausing by taking the ear [TS]

00:39:45   part out [TS]

00:39:46   talk about a way to lose your bonds [TS]

00:39:48   don't do it like I'm not thats i'm not [TS]

00:39:50   going to do that right it being able to [TS]

00:39:52   tap you can attack you can tap the pause [TS]

00:39:54   can you or can you not even do that I [TS]

00:39:56   think there's something like that yeah [TS]

00:39:58   Dino I did I thought it was strictly [TS]

00:40:00   taking one out in order to pause yeah [TS]

00:40:04   that is not like I don't know again none [TS]

00:40:05   of us have them so we can't tell but [TS]

00:40:07   it's like it's tapped to talk to [TS]

00:40:08   seriously I don't want to talk to Siri I [TS]

00:40:10   i just want to pause playback and [TS]

00:40:12   changing volume it happens if you're [TS]

00:40:14   walking around like you happen to come [TS]

00:40:15   to annoy section we're closer to a road [TS]

00:40:17   you need to go up one notch on the [TS]

00:40:19   volume I don't want to talk to Siri to [TS]

00:40:21   do that it's like having two it's like [TS]

00:40:23   having to have a conversation with [TS]

00:40:25   somebody to try to like pick a forkful [TS]

00:40:27   food up into your mouth like it's like [TS]

00:40:28   just let me do it it's one little click [TS]

00:40:30   on the little thingy [TS]

00:40:31   I don't add tension the volume of Siri [TS]

00:40:34   is the worst use of speech anyway the [TS]

00:40:37   point is these things have [TS]

00:40:38   accelerometers in them and I desperately [TS]

00:40:40   hope that a future software update [TS]

00:40:44   enables more useful functionality and [TS]

00:40:48   their pods if what we're all saying that [TS]

00:40:50   we think the way things work is this is [TS]

00:40:52   the truth because not being able to [TS]

00:40:54   positive change volume means I i just [TS]

00:40:56   want by these like I i already know [TS]

00:40:58   before buying them at all that I'm not [TS]

00:41:00   going to talk to Siri to do either one [TS]

00:41:01   of those functions ever well but why [TS]

00:41:03   couldn't you reach into your pocket and [TS]

00:41:05   use the physical buttons on your phone i [TS]

00:41:07   mean if you could easily discover where [TS]

00:41:08   they are and hit them [TS]

00:41:09   I can't go back to that are you kidding [TS]

00:41:11   sometimes all you know it's about that [TS]

00:41:13   in my back pocket someone know like the [TS]

00:41:15   little out i will prefer to use the wire [TS]

00:41:18   thing with little Claire like this it's [TS]

00:41:20   no I so it's really depressing me [TS]

00:41:22   because it's not like it was like well [TS]

00:41:24   how could they do it they have a way to [TS]

00:41:25   do it [TS]

00:41:26   they have a thing that you can tap but [TS]

00:41:28   tapping and by all means make this [TS]

00:41:30   default tab for series the default but [TS]

00:41:32   then have a setting somewhere like the [TS]

00:41:33   iOS at home but this is actually what [TS]

00:41:35   tap does pauses and then for volume up [TS]

00:41:37   and down enough to tap street i'm going [TS]

00:41:40   to tap little thing in my ear however [TS]

00:41:41   many times you want [TS]

00:41:42   obviously has been tapping it but play [TS]

00:41:45   pause in volume pls a place there's Cena [TS]

00:41:49   in all my searches and tests of good [TS]

00:41:53   bluetooth headphones is it is pretty [TS]

00:41:56   much impossible to find any that have [TS]

00:41:58   good controls for playback and stuff [TS]

00:42:02   like that [TS]

00:42:03   there they exist but there's very few [TS]

00:42:05   because the main thing is in order to [TS]

00:42:07   have like good reachable you know usable [TS]

00:42:10   reliable controls for seeking and volume [TS]

00:42:13   and everything else you really physical [TS]

00:42:15   buttons like you need real physical [TS]

00:42:17   buttons in some kind of logical [TS]

00:42:18   arrangement you can feel on the [TS]

00:42:20   headphone when you're walking so that [TS]

00:42:22   you can just like hit and and not even [TS]

00:42:24   you know not have to think about it and [TS]

00:42:25   not miss not have to have a weird touch [TS]

00:42:28   gesture or anything weird like that and [TS]

00:42:30   most have my manufacturers don't do this [TS]

00:42:32   because I i guess more parts to have [TS]

00:42:36   buttons but also I think one of the main [TS]

00:42:38   reasons that just makes it uglier and [TS]

00:42:40   manufacturers are all doing these weird [TS]

00:42:42   like overly clever overly designed [TS]

00:42:44   things with like touch gestures and [TS]

00:42:48   various like tap commands and everything [TS]

00:42:50   but by far the best headphones i have to [TS]

00:42:54   walk with and listen to podcasts on are [TS]

00:42:56   these ugly really crappy sounding [TS]

00:42:59   sennheiser PX 210 bt's that are now [TS]

00:43:02   discontinued but the new the sennheiser [TS]

00:43:04   MM 400 and 450 are very similar [TS]

00:43:08   they have these just nice big buttons on [TS]

00:43:10   the earcup and it's great i use those [TS]

00:43:12   every day when I'm walking listen to [TS]

00:43:14   podcast because it is so nice to just be [TS]

00:43:17   able to reach up and feel the buttons [TS]

00:43:19   and just hit the one and have it work [TS]

00:43:21   everytime always hit the right one it is [TS]

00:43:24   so so nice and the advantage of [TS]

00:43:27   bluetooth is that you can do that if you [TS]

00:43:28   have wired headphones there is no [TS]

00:43:30   protocol that that Apple defines 4y [TS]

00:43:33   headphone makers for them to like have [TS]

00:43:35   buttons to do anything else besides a [TS]

00:43:36   single click thing but bluetooth [TS]

00:43:38   headphones have that spec built-in like [TS]

00:43:39   a bluetooth headphone can do that but it [TS]

00:43:43   requires some kind of large control and [TS]

00:43:45   usually ugly big buttons refer to be any [TS]

00:43:48   good on their pods there isn't room for [TS]

00:43:50   that and even if there was room for that [TS]

00:43:52   there is no way Apple to Apple released [TS]

00:43:55   a phone [TS]

00:43:55   on with no headphone jack and no buttons [TS]

00:43:58   on it and then have an heir have [TS]

00:43:59   airports this giant wall buttons on them [TS]

00:44:02   no way so I'm being told via the chat [TS]

00:44:05   that you can in settings turn off [TS]

00:44:10   Cirie and turn on double tap to pause [TS]

00:44:13   cool [TS]

00:44:14   tipsters very adamant about that setting [TS]

00:44:17   is there so that's nice to know that [TS]

00:44:18   puts me back on the fence about buying [TS]

00:44:20   them that solves one of the reasons that [TS]

00:44:22   you might want to write is that volume [TS]

00:44:24   is still out there but play/pause that [TS]

00:44:26   goes fifty percent of the way there [TS]

00:44:28   because I I need to be able to do that [TS]

00:44:30   and I don't quit maybe I just having [TS]

00:44:31   marine of articles about her maybe not [TS]

00:44:33   enough people have their products yet [TS]

00:44:34   know people have them that they're [TS]

00:44:35   separating the amount to a separate [TS]

00:44:36   review or perhaps I guess i have read [TS]

00:44:38   those yet but anyway i'm happy to hear [TS]

00:44:40   that i'm back on schedule to potentially [TS]

00:44:44   buy them [TS]

00:44:44   volume i'm not quite sure how they [TS]

00:44:48   didn't put that two taps a triple tap [TS]

00:44:52   Bob I don't quite know i'm not sure if i [TS]

00:44:55   can give that up I'm gonna have to start [TS]

00:44:57   keeping track of how often I raise the [TS]

00:44:59   volume i have the little clicker online [TS]

00:45:01   my bose headphones for plane flights to [TS]

00:45:02   and I'm also glad that I have that [TS]

00:45:03   clicker because my phone is like in my [TS]

00:45:06   pocket or like somewhere tucked away [TS]

00:45:08   like I can't really get to it easily and [TS]

00:45:10   frequently i pause it and put the volume [TS]

00:45:11   up and volume down over the course of [TS]

00:45:13   the whole flight [TS]

00:45:14   those seem like basic functions to me I [TS]

00:45:17   would wear parts on on a plane anyway [TS]

00:45:19   because i don't have that noise [TS]

00:45:20   cancelling but yeah it's it's a problem [TS]

00:45:24   to be solved for sure I don't want to [TS]

00:45:26   wire dangling from it and like Marco [TS]

00:45:28   said I don't want buttons they're not [TS]

00:45:29   going to put buttons on it [TS]

00:45:30   sure you don't want buttons on it cause [TS]

00:45:32   how would you find them on these little [TS]

00:45:33   tiny earpods i can imagine maybe [TS]

00:45:35   squeezing little lens like they were [TS]

00:45:39   Scratchy [TS]

00:45:40   I mean trust me like you you don't want [TS]

00:45:42   them to come up with clever gestures [TS]

00:45:44   because they won't work on things that [TS]

00:45:46   are that small they're not going to work [TS]

00:45:47   reliably it's not gesture it would be a [TS]

00:45:50   physical button like a physical squeeze [TS]

00:45:51   a little you know like they're squishy [TS]

00:45:54   ends of a little squishy enzyme you know [TS]

00:45:55   rubber little rubberized things anyway [TS]

00:45:58   maybe that could be stopped and then tap [TS]

00:46:00   anyway [TS]

00:46:01   well what was the other one but then [TS]

00:46:03   what happens when you're in mono because [TS]

00:46:04   one of the benefits to my mind of the [TS]

00:46:07   air pods is that they will gracefully [TS]

00:46:09   switch to mono if you so desire and so [TS]

00:46:13   then how do you which which end you [TS]

00:46:15   squeezing the you squeezing the top end [TS]

00:46:17   of the headphone of the the mono yo [TS]

00:46:20   earpiece to go up in the bottom two go [TS]

00:46:22   down like that's never going to work the [TS]

00:46:23   right answer this unfortunately for you [TS]

00:46:25   to is just use your darn watch but since [TS]

00:46:27   neither of you believe in the Apple [TS]

00:46:29   watch then that that doesn't really help [TS]

00:46:31   us commerce and then the phone [TS]

00:46:33   actually now I would rather do the phone [TS]

00:46:35   to be honest with you even though I do [TS]

00:46:37   love my Apple watch it would be easier [TS]

00:46:38   to do it on the phone if i could just [TS]

00:46:39   turn the crown to do volume up and down [TS]

00:46:43   well actually I suppose my watch is [TS]

00:46:45   actually low power mode for the first [TS]

00:46:46   time possibly ever but i'm in any case [TS]

00:46:49   if you left up the now playing glance [TS]

00:46:52   app thing I think you would be able to [TS]

00:46:56   just raise your wrist and in fumble with [TS]

00:46:59   the crown but I I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:47:01   percent sure about that [TS]

00:47:02   I don't either way I mean to be honest [TS]

00:47:04   it to me the easiest answer is to just [TS]

00:47:06   use the volume buttons on your phone i [TS]

00:47:08   agree with you that it is kind of weird [TS]

00:47:10   not to have any ability to change the [TS]

00:47:13   volume on the device itself since we've [TS]

00:47:15   all been programmed to be used to being [TS]

00:47:17   able to reach to approximately arch in [TS]

00:47:19   and grab the little you know Bubba see [TS]

00:47:22   part of the cord and do it there but I [TS]

00:47:26   am NOT as bothered / offended by this is [TS]

00:47:30   you seem to be there was a lot of [TS]

00:47:33   contention both online and amongst like [TS]

00:47:36   personal friends of mine [TS]

00:47:37   oh this is ridiculous apple is making a [TS]

00:47:39   new standard and using their own [TS]

00:47:42   proprietary junk blah blah blah why does [TS]

00:47:44   Apple hate everyone was happily Apple [TS]

00:47:47   hate open blah blah blah so the air pods [TS]

00:47:50   do use regular old bluetooth just like [TS]

00:47:54   everything else now they do sprinkle of [TS]

00:47:56   fair helping of special sauce on top and [TS]

00:47:59   hopefully Marco you can fill in a little [TS]

00:48:01   bit about the Codex that they're using [TS]

00:48:03   because some of my neck beard audiophile [TS]

00:48:07   friends are very perturbed with some of [TS]

00:48:10   the codec related things but really the [TS]

00:48:12   thing yeah the thing i wanted that that [TS]

00:48:14   I want to make clear which I don't think [TS]

00:48:16   we were very clear on last episode is [TS]

00:48:17   that their pods do use bluetooth friend [TS]

00:48:20   i'm actually now quoting the really good [TS]

00:48:22   BuzzFeed are [TS]

00:48:23   goal about why Apple kill the air the [TS]

00:48:25   headphone jack earpods use bluetooth for [TS]

00:48:27   their connection bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:48:28   have historically suffered from a conga [TS]

00:48:29   line of connectivity problems honors [TS]

00:48:31   pairing dropped connections crappy sound [TS]

00:48:33   apples confident solve that the mall [TS]

00:48:35   with that w one chip quote as you can [TS]

00:48:37   imagine by developing our own Bluetooth [TS]

00:48:39   chip and controlling both ends the [TS]

00:48:40   pairing process there's a lot of magic [TS]

00:48:42   we can do quote somebody named turnus [TS]

00:48:43   says quote we use a bluetooth connection [TS]

00:48:46   recovered in a lot of secret sauce and [TS]

00:48:49   if you haven't read that article it's [TS]

00:48:50   not terribly long and very very worth it [TS]

00:48:52   so it is regular bluetooth and [TS]

00:48:55   apparently there's a little button on [TS]

00:48:56   the back of the case of little pillbox [TS]

00:48:58   that you can either press and hold down [TS]

00:49:00   in order to prepare the air pods with [TS]

00:49:03   any traditional bluetooth device [TS]

00:49:05   yeah that was totally not clear from the [TS]

00:49:07   talk from the presentation because the [TS]

00:49:09   word bluetooth I my from my recollection [TS]

00:49:11   was not even spoken during the [TS]

00:49:13   presentation all they said is wow we [TS]

00:49:15   wireless things and we have another one [TS]

00:49:17   of those chips that's like a letter in a [TS]

00:49:18   number w 1 and so it for all the world [TS]

00:49:21   seemed like Apple was like look [TS]

00:49:23   bluetooth sucks we have a better [TS]

00:49:24   solution here it is uses w1 chips but [TS]

00:49:27   very quickly after the that we learned [TS]

00:49:30   actually that you want to just a [TS]

00:49:31   Bluetooth chip but there is some extra [TS]

00:49:33   stuff that Apple is doing to smooth over [TS]

00:49:36   the parts of Bluetooth that don't work [TS]

00:49:37   but it's nice that as you said that [TS]

00:49:41   special sauce or whatever it is like [TS]

00:49:43   other some other protocol that they used [TS]

00:49:45   to negotiate and sink in handshake with [TS]

00:49:48   their own devices all that just goes [TS]

00:49:50   away if you take the air pods and use [TS]

00:49:52   them with other devices they're just [TS]

00:49:53   plain old bluetooth audio headphones you [TS]

00:49:56   can buy our pods in theory and use them [TS]

00:49:58   with your android phone or with any [TS]

00:50:00   other thing that supports bluetooth this [TS]

00:50:01   is my understanding of it anyway so how [TS]

00:50:05   special is the w1 is the w1 just a [TS]

00:50:09   really nice Bluetooth chip with don't [TS]

00:50:12   have any extra hardware features at all [TS]

00:50:14   in magic software i don't know this is [TS]

00:50:16   another one of those mysteries that [TS]

00:50:17   Apple's not really interested in telling [TS]

00:50:19   the world about at this point I felt [TS]

00:50:21   like I said they weren't even interested [TS]

00:50:22   in telling the world that they were [TS]

00:50:23   using bluetooth so if they have managed [TS]

00:50:26   to make bluetooth to tip as they say to [TS]

00:50:29   fix all the things that bother people [TS]

00:50:31   about bluetooth that's just as good as [TS]

00:50:33   an area [TS]

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00:52:14   ah ok so i have a handful of super [TS]

00:52:21   neckbeard audio nerd friends and they [TS]

00:52:24   were really ticked off that the [TS]

00:52:28   headphone jack was going away and that [TS]

00:52:30   bluetooth was the new thing mostly [TS]

00:52:33   because they felt like they were going [TS]

00:52:35   to have to either have a lossy encoding [TS]

00:52:38   of their source material or [TS]

00:52:40   alternatively rien code even if their [TS]

00:52:43   source material was lost in the first [TS]

00:52:45   place [TS]

00:52:46   so to back up a half step mp3's most a [TS]

00:52:51   season-high recall correctly and jump in [TS]

00:52:53   whenever you're ready if I if I start [TS]

00:52:54   going off the rails here are our lawsuit [TS]

00:52:57   which is to say they know what a human [TS]

00:52:59   ear should be capable of hearing and if [TS]

00:53:01   there's information that's outside the [TS]

00:53:03   range of what a human ear should be able [TS]

00:53:05   to hear i'll just drop it on the ground [TS]

00:53:07   and just not save it not included in [TS]

00:53:09   these mp3's in this AC files etc because [TS]

00:53:12   in theory there's no point to having it [TS]

00:53:14   you can't hear it anyway now super nerds [TS]

00:53:16   when so as an example if I were to [TS]

00:53:20   download a Dave Matthews Band concert i [TS]

00:53:22   know that you could do this with fish as [TS]

00:53:24   well they'll often try to save these [TS]

00:53:26   files is flac which I forget what that [TS]

00:53:28   stands for maybe you know Marie lossless [TS]

00:53:30   audio codec i believe they go [TS]

00:53:32   that sounds perfect in the end you can [TS]

00:53:34   guess where this is going black means [TS]

00:53:35   there is no loss the everything that the [TS]

00:53:38   microphone or whatever mechanism that [TS]

00:53:40   captured the audio could hear it gets [TS]

00:53:42   saved the whole way through [TS]

00:53:44   so these neckbeards these audio [TS]

00:53:46   neckbeards were complaining all either [TS]

00:53:48   my flax or whatever the source maybe are [TS]

00:53:51   going to have to be lossy encoded and [TS]

00:53:53   that's BS now losing things or if i [TS]

00:53:56   start with let's say mp3 most bluetooth [TS]

00:53:59   headsets don't support mp3 so then it [TS]

00:54:02   gets reincarnated to something else like [TS]

00:54:04   aec or what is it that's super popular [TS]

00:54:07   app tax which is a terrible name then [TS]

00:54:11   it's going to get really coated no [TS]

00:54:12   matter what is just lost all the way [TS]

00:54:13   down this is horrible and then tables [TS]

00:54:15   are flipped and everyone gets angry so [TS]

00:54:17   how much this is a regular person let's [TS]

00:54:19   leave aside audio files for a second how [TS]

00:54:21   much this is a regular person should I [TS]

00:54:23   care about because i'm assuming the [TS]

00:54:24   answer is zero because it's about how [TS]

00:54:26   much I care right now so not only should [TS]

00:54:29   you care is zero but they should care 0 [TS]

00:54:31   as well and here's a bluetooth [TS]

00:54:34   Additional Protocol and digital audio is [TS]

00:54:37   kind of large it takes a lot of bits per [TS]

00:54:39   second and so in order to improve the [TS]

00:54:41   efficiency of bluetooth and save battery [TS]

00:54:43   because the more we transmit more [TS]

00:54:44   battery you need and and to make it you [TS]

00:54:46   know less Skippy because you know you [TS]

00:54:48   want to be maxing out to Paul possible [TS]

00:54:50   bandwidth you want as little as possible [TS]

00:54:51   meant to minimize power usage and to [TS]

00:54:54   maximize reliability of the connection [TS]

00:54:55   there's always different codecs that you [TS]

00:54:57   can use to either lawfully or unlawfully [TS]

00:54:59   compress the the audio going between [TS]

00:55:02   your you're transmitting phone or [TS]

00:55:04   whatever and your bluetooth headset so [TS]

00:55:06   that way you can save them with an and [TS]

00:55:08   have a more reliable connection better [TS]

00:55:10   battery life lost lossless compression [TS]

00:55:13   really does max out at roughly fifty [TS]

00:55:14   percent they just bye-bye math like it's [TS]

00:55:18   nearly impossible to have an average [TS]

00:55:20   compression ratio that's substantially [TS]

00:55:22   different than approximately 21 with lot [TS]

00:55:24   with lossless compression lossy [TS]

00:55:26   compression can go ten-to-one easily and [TS]

00:55:29   and some of the more advanced ones even [TS]

00:55:30   better so your friends are all upset [TS]

00:55:33   because the idea of lawfully compressing [TS]

00:55:36   audio is is horrendous to a lot of audio [TS]

00:55:39   files in reality it is very very hard [TS]

00:55:41   for most people to tell the difference [TS]

00:55:43   even extremely well-trained people who [TS]

00:55:46   know exactly what kind of artifacts to [TS]

00:55:48   listen for have a very hard time often [TS]

00:55:50   detecting the difference between well [TS]

00:55:53   encoded mp3 or AAC file and and the [TS]

00:55:56   uncompressed version or the losses are [TS]

00:55:57   these losses the compressed version so [TS]

00:56:00   the question of whether lossless [TS]

00:56:01   compression is even necessary and [TS]

00:56:02   detectable at all is certainly up for [TS]

00:56:04   debate [TS]

00:56:05   I i personally more towards the fact [TS]

00:56:07   that lossless is a waste of space for [TS]

00:56:10   almost everything and and that you know [TS]

00:56:12   it's not really necessary and that most [TS]

00:56:15   look at the difference anyway in the [TS]

00:56:17   realm of phone audio and Bluetooth [TS]

00:56:19   people blamed bluetooth headphones for [TS]

00:56:23   sounding like crap on these codecs that [TS]

00:56:26   they used to compress audio and it is [TS]

00:56:28   generally true that the old a2dp [TS]

00:56:31   standard did indeed have crappy audio [TS]

00:56:33   quality because it was such a primitive [TS]

00:56:34   standard so long ago that it had to have [TS]

00:56:36   very simple electronics on both sides [TS]

00:56:38   that one did kind of suck but since then [TS]

00:56:40   we've had a few advances the apt xcode [TS]

00:56:43   that you mentioned is a big one that it [TS]

00:56:45   sounded concerned very good problem with [TS]

00:56:48   apt x is that for these codecs to be [TS]

00:56:50   supportive for playback both the phone [TS]

00:56:52   and the headphones have to support them [TS]

00:56:55   and there are a lot of decently high-end [TS]

00:56:58   and mid-range headphones support apt x [TS]

00:57:00   these days but the iphone as far as i [TS]

00:57:02   know to the best of my knowledge the [TS]

00:57:03   iphone doesn't support it [TS]

00:57:05   there's licensing fees and patents and [TS]

00:57:07   everything involved [TS]

00:57:08   as far as i know last time I checked it [TS]

00:57:11   didn't support it and that wasn't that [TS]

00:57:12   long ago i'm guessing no i phone [TS]

00:57:14   supports apt x Apple does have a license [TS]

00:57:17   to use AC AC is lossy you mentioned [TS]

00:57:21   earlier might be lossless know you're [TS]

00:57:23   thinking of various AC containers like [TS]

00:57:26   m4a that can also contain lossless audio [TS]

00:57:29   like the apple lossless audio codec a [TS]

00:57:31   lack oh yes that is what I'm thinking of [TS]

00:57:33   yeah yeah pure AC is indeed lossy but [TS]

00:57:36   it's a pretty codec it's similar in [TS]

00:57:38   general like genre 2.mp3 it's it's [TS]

00:57:42   slightly newer it has some advancements [TS]

00:57:43   here and there so AC is a decent codec [TS]

00:57:47   and the fact is that as i mentioned [TS]

00:57:49   earlier about the about the DAC samsung [TS]

00:57:51   phones the vast majority of bluetooth [TS]

00:57:54   headphones that sound like crap sound [TS]

00:57:56   like crap because of their crappy driver [TS]

00:57:57   design and cheap components it's not [TS]

00:57:59   because they really need a 0 higher [TS]

00:58:03   fidelity being transmitted to them from [TS]

00:58:05   the phone or through the codec like [TS]

00:58:07   that's not the problem that heat you can [TS]

00:58:09   sound way better [TS]

00:58:10   even with the most basic mp3 or the most [TS]

00:58:13   basic AAC encoding if you just have [TS]

00:58:16   better headphones to begin with and the [TS]

00:58:18   reason why your friends don't even need [TS]

00:58:19   to care about this is because if they're [TS]

00:58:21   truly concerned about all this crap [TS]

00:58:22   anyway they probably use external Dax [TS]

00:58:25   and apps on their phones which means [TS]

00:58:27   that the phone not having a headphone [TS]

00:58:29   jack doesn't affect them at all because [TS]

00:58:30   they were already using the Lightning [TS]

00:58:32   port to have USB DAC synapse you know [TS]

00:58:35   that's not the case in this particular [TS]

00:58:36   context i mean i agree with you but [TS]

00:58:39   these particular friends of mine who in [TS]

00:58:41   in there they're smart guys and I really [TS]

00:58:44   do enjoy their their company but they [TS]

00:58:47   are using stretch to just traditional [TS]

00:58:49   headphone jacks on traditional phones [TS]

00:58:51   that will then in that in that case then [TS]

00:58:53   then the the adapter that the Lightning [TS]

00:58:55   to fund aptor should probably be totally [TS]

00:58:58   fine because then you avoid this problem [TS]

00:58:59   entirely like it's not your not being [TS]

00:59:01   forced to use bluetooth with the new [TS]

00:59:03   phone [TS]

00:59:04   you're just being forced to use the [TS]

00:59:05   Lightning port or bluetooth and again [TS]

00:59:07   most high-end audio files are really [TS]

00:59:09   picky audio files have already been [TS]

00:59:11   using USB and portable daxon amps in the [TS]

00:59:14   inland port for years now [TS]

00:59:17   just the ones that were using the [TS]

00:59:17   headphone jack have to use a little nine [TS]

00:59:19   dollar adapter that is probably using [TS]

00:59:22   the [TS]

00:59:22   you think the same quality deck and amp [TS]

00:59:24   that was inside the fun to begin with [TS]

00:59:25   yeah so for the AC transmission can it [TS]

00:59:29   doesn't take an AC song and just [TS]

00:59:32   transmitted as is or does it have to [TS]

00:59:34   double encoded have to take an AC and [TS]

00:59:36   then encode that as AC and then send it [TS]

00:59:38   like is it downgrading it like I've got [TS]

00:59:40   256 kill bed AC and then it's got a rien [TS]

00:59:43   coded as 96 to send it over Bluetooth it [TS]

00:59:47   so it is certainly possible for the for [TS]

00:59:50   the software stack in involved there to [TS]

00:59:53   detect whether something is AC and and [TS]

00:59:57   is within all that all the right [TS]

00:59:58   parameters to be compatible [TS]

00:59:58   parameters to be compatible [TS]

01:00:00   and you just send it with every [TS]

01:00:01   compression that is possible but given [TS]

01:00:03   the design of the various AV foundation [TS]

01:00:06   frameworks and core audio and everything [TS]

01:00:08   I think it's pretty unlikely it was [TS]

01:00:09   happening it's possible because I said [TS]

01:00:11   but I think it's unlikely [TS]

01:00:13   so you don't think you could hear the [TS]

01:00:14   difference between it if you have a [TS]

01:00:16   double encoded AC because I grant that [TS]

01:00:19   most people can hear the difference of a [TS]

01:00:20   single AC if it's a reasonable great but [TS]

01:00:22   if you had a 128 and then reincarnated [TS]

01:00:25   it again and 96 a double encoded you [TS]

01:00:27   think you can hear any artifacts on that [TS]

01:00:28   if it's a lower bitrate and if it's [TS]

01:00:31   especially if it's as low as 96 then you [TS]

01:00:34   probably hear that but if it's like 128 [TS]

01:00:37   160 192like in that range especially the [TS]

01:00:40   higher end of that if it's like 160 I [TS]

01:00:42   don't think you'd hear it but like if [TS]

01:00:44   you double 160 double-double 120 like [TS]

01:00:46   take a 120 and re-encoded again as 120 [TS]

01:00:49   like you're getting you're getting a [TS]

01:00:50   loss every time right so well not [TS]

01:00:53   necessarily I mean the this so there are [TS]

01:00:56   certain though they're all small there [TS]

01:00:57   are small errors introduced in the in [TS]

01:00:59   the decoding and encoding but the way [TS]

01:01:02   most of these most these codecs work is [TS]

01:01:05   by discarding frequencies that they [TS]

01:01:07   don't think you'll hear or reducing [TS]

01:01:09   precision and things you don't that they [TS]

01:01:11   don't think you'll hear if the input [TS]

01:01:13   audio is already lacking those [TS]

01:01:15   frequencies or those details [TS]

01:01:17   you might not actually hear it very much [TS]

01:01:19   to have liked it it wouldn't it's not [TS]

01:01:21   gonna be like generational awesome [TS]

01:01:22   except tape like you it's it's going to [TS]

01:01:24   be different errors and different [TS]

01:01:27   Precision's but I bet it will be a lot [TS]

01:01:30   less noticeable than you think and I've [TS]

01:01:32   never done that experiment put a i'm [TS]

01:01:34   assuming that if you're just to run this [TS]

01:01:36   on a loop it would be like generation [TS]

01:01:38   lost just a question of what's the slope [TS]

01:01:39   of the line is it get crappy after five [TS]

01:01:42   reading codes are just take like a [TS]

01:01:44   hundred and five well sherry and and you [TS]

01:01:47   hear the answer is too so it's like it's [TS]

01:01:50   not it's very unlikely again it's very [TS]

01:01:53   unlikely to be noticeable on even really [TS]

01:01:57   good headphones and might not be [TS]

01:01:58   noticeable let alone the headphones most [TS]

01:02:00   people are using to listen through [TS]

01:02:02   bluetooth [TS]

01:02:03   I mean that the realm of bluetooth [TS]

01:02:05   headphones is terrible [TS]

01:02:06   there are very few that even have like [TS]

01:02:08   moderately good audio quality and that's [TS]

01:02:12   not because the Codex it [TS]

01:02:13   because of the crappy transfers so I I [TS]

01:02:17   wouldn't hold your breath on on this [TS]

01:02:20   being like the answer to really anything [TS]

01:02:22   it and what we're already at AAC [TS]

01:02:25   apparently that's good enough for the [TS]

01:02:27   vast majority of users here [TS]

01:02:29   most people are not going to notice any [TS]

01:02:31   difference that is actually attributable [TS]

01:02:32   to the codec itself already possible [TS]

01:02:35   transmission recoding it might be taking [TS]

01:02:36   place i would hope that one of apple's [TS]

01:02:39   advantages maybe not the w1aw three or [TS]

01:02:41   whatever that once the like the minimum [TS]

01:02:44   bandwidth requirement goes up a little [TS]

01:02:46   bit would be to go and and take your [TS]

01:02:49   mastered for itunes 246 kilobit a season [TS]

01:02:53   just send them exactly as is to your [TS]

01:02:56   headphones like you know that they have [TS]

01:02:58   anybody could pull it off it's them [TS]

01:02:59   because they were literally control [TS]

01:03:00   every piece of hardware and software in [TS]

01:03:02   that chain and even though it may be [TS]

01:03:06   simpler just so just eww just university [TS]

01:03:08   in code everything and it will be fine [TS]

01:03:09   being able to do that is something like [TS]

01:03:11   it out in a presentation and whether or [TS]

01:03:14   not you know they've been relocated [TS]

01:03:16   audiophiles a little bit whether or not [TS]

01:03:18   you would actually hear the double [TS]

01:03:19   encoding especially if they got to the [TS]

01:03:21   point where they can handle the band [TS]

01:03:22   with 256 it just seems like it would be [TS]

01:03:25   more efficient to not have to encode it [TS]

01:03:27   just send it as is if they know it's AC [TS]

01:03:30   already in it and like you said it fits [TS]

01:03:31   within whatever the bandwidth [TS]

01:03:32   constraints are ya sure I mean it's a [TS]

01:03:35   family trait is also like a AC has a lot [TS]

01:03:38   of optional features just like all the [TS]

01:03:40   crappy video codec complexities out [TS]

01:03:41   there is always optional features and [TS]

01:03:43   and like kind of a spec things you might [TS]

01:03:45   get in a bit stream so there is also a [TS]

01:03:48   good technical reason why they would [TS]

01:03:50   want to just always transcode what they [TS]

01:03:52   receive into a certain profile that they [TS]

01:03:54   know their support on the other end but [TS]

01:03:57   and also you know I think again with the [TS]

01:03:59   design of these AP is it would be [TS]

01:04:01   difficult to to have a way to pass [TS]

01:04:05   through the the original like lawfully [TS]

01:04:08   encoded data before that without [TS]

01:04:10   decoding at first like all the way [TS]

01:04:12   through AV player and everything like [TS]

01:04:13   there might be some of that involved do [TS]

01:04:16   things like surround pass through but I [TS]

01:04:18   doubt there's much of it and and that [TS]

01:04:20   would just be complexity for this very [TS]

01:04:23   minor gain that most people wouldn't [TS]

01:04:26   notice [TS]

01:04:26   all descend very very slightly probably [TS]

01:04:30   imperceptibly better sound too crappy [TS]

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01:05:22   and anyone can add content based on my [TS]

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01:05:57   sponsoring our show ah alright so [TS]

01:06:02   apparently there's a jobs related story [TS]

01:06:06   about the air pod design philosophy [TS]

01:06:08   Steve Jobs not jobs related job style i [TS]

01:06:13   was thinking after the presentation of [TS]

01:06:15   the earpods was if Steve Jobs had given [TS]

01:06:18   that presentation with one thing you [TS]

01:06:19   like to do when interesting hardware [TS]

01:06:21   products is to say something especially [TS]

01:06:23   if it's like a funny or interesting [TS]

01:06:25   anecdote about the process of designing [TS]

01:06:28   it like why did we decide this product [TS]

01:06:31   should look like the way you see it now [TS]

01:06:33   and what did we know what was our [TS]

01:06:36   thinking we thought of this the obvious [TS]

01:06:38   idea what [TS]

01:06:38   you reject that why don't we go with [TS]

01:06:39   this that the probably most famous one [TS]

01:06:42   is discussions maybe wasn't giving the [TS]

01:06:44   keynote but subsequently about the the [TS]

01:06:47   flat panel I'm acting on those on time [TS]

01:06:49   magazine cover the leaked a little [TS]

01:06:50   semicircle base and then the screen and [TS]

01:06:53   talking about you [TS]

01:06:54   the obvious that was the presentation [TS]

01:06:55   the obvious thing was just to take a big [TS]

01:06:57   screen and put computers and it's crap [TS]

01:06:58   on the back of it but they didn't like [TS]

01:07:00   that so they really thought you know [TS]

01:07:01   anyway the earpods the obvious story to [TS]

01:07:05   me is I you know if you can like make up [TS]

01:07:08   the design things like we're gonna have [TS]

01:07:11   these things in our ears and not going [TS]

01:07:12   to have wires like that seems like [TS]

01:07:14   that's the premise right there's not [TS]

01:07:15   going to be wires on them at all there's [TS]

01:07:16   going to be things in the ears the part [TS]

01:07:19   that goes in your ears probably going to [TS]

01:07:20   be the same shape that we figured out [TS]

01:07:21   for the year positive overboard about [TS]

01:07:22   the rest of the fireplace for battery [TS]

01:07:24   and for all the chips and stuff like [TS]

01:07:25   that [TS]

01:07:26   what shape should these be a lot of the [TS]

01:07:28   ones that are on the market that are [TS]

01:07:30   similar to the air pods are shaped like [TS]

01:07:33   snails or little turds or acorn some of [TS]

01:07:37   them some of them have sticks coming out [TS]

01:07:39   of them but you can imagine if you start [TS]

01:07:42   with a clean slate and and say what [TS]

01:07:44   shape should we make the little things [TS]

01:07:46   that poking your ears does lots of [TS]

01:07:47   possibilities because obviously the part [TS]

01:07:48   is not in your ear can be almost any [TS]

01:07:50   shape they're not going to be that big [TS]

01:07:52   he wanted to look nice and to be easy to [TS]

01:07:56   grab and taking it out and I can imagine [TS]

01:07:59   of Steve Jobs was there he would show [TS]

01:08:01   slides of other competitors think they [TS]

01:08:02   look like snails and say but we decided [TS]

01:08:04   not to do that you know we thought about [TS]

01:08:06   intransitive designs but in the end we [TS]

01:08:08   realized the the solutions that sitting [TS]

01:08:10   there right in front of us just take the [TS]

01:08:11   earpods that we know and love slip and [TS]

01:08:14   cut off the wires done because [TS]

01:08:16   conveniently the little white stem thing [TS]

01:08:18   is a perfect place for a cylindrical [TS]

01:08:20   battery and lucky apple finally gets to [TS]

01:08:22   make a cylindrical battery yes they did [TS]

01:08:24   for the pencil to don't even know if [TS]

01:08:26   they're still undergoing there but a [TS]

01:08:27   cylinder is the shape of your [TS]

01:08:28   traditional battery it's got a nice [TS]

01:08:30   handle for you to grab it and i think [TS]

01:08:33   there's a slightly better chance that [TS]

01:08:36   you won't lose them when they're awkward [TS]

01:08:37   shape than if they were actually shaped [TS]

01:08:38   like little snails you know like the [TS]

01:08:40   fact that it's like longer has this [TS]

01:08:41   protrusion coming from it even though it [TS]

01:08:43   might look a little bit more awkward [TS]

01:08:44   it's just a generally better design but [TS]

01:08:46   like if you look at them they look for [TS]

01:08:48   all the world like someone took you know [TS]

01:08:50   the regular wire [TS]

01:08:52   apple earpods and just cut the wires off [TS]

01:08:54   of the monument already people are [TS]

01:08:55   selling wires that you can attach them [TS]

01:08:57   so you don't lose them which is really [TS]

01:08:58   goes [TS]

01:08:59   although i don't understand why the [TS]

01:09:01   we're talking about this thing we also [TS]

01:09:03   like someone selling a sort of clip on [TS]

01:09:06   wire that you attach to your ear pods to [TS]

01:09:08   keep you from losing them but it clips [TS]

01:09:10   on like a little cuff like the clips [TS]

01:09:12   onto they like there's little metal [TS]

01:09:13   things on the bottom right they should [TS]

01:09:14   be magnetic a little case has little [TS]

01:09:17   magnificent rights you should make that [TS]

01:09:19   I don't understand that's staring you [TS]

01:09:21   right in the face maybe they can't sell [TS]

01:09:22   those little tiny whatever they are [TS]

01:09:24   those rare earth magnet things that kids [TS]

01:09:26   swallow and they go in their intestines [TS]

01:09:27   and that the you know anyway [TS]

01:09:29   well they also don't want to cover the [TS]

01:09:30   mics because i thought the microphones [TS]

01:09:32   with a very very bottom of the little I [TS]

01:09:35   don't know protrusion yeah you'd have to [TS]

01:09:37   make it like hollow or do something that [TS]

01:09:39   would be anyway that if Apple made these [TS]

01:09:41   things which is ridiculous thing about [TS]

01:09:42   ever do that but anyway that was not [TS]

01:09:44   discussed like and in the presentation [TS]

01:09:47   there was no sort of job style story [TS]

01:09:49   about how they arrived at the design [TS]

01:09:51   that is essentially exactly like the air [TS]

01:09:52   possible with the wires cut off but i [TS]

01:09:54   think that's really like not obvious if [TS]

01:09:56   you if you'd asked me what shape with [TS]

01:09:59   the Apple things be like I would have [TS]

01:10:00   lots of ideas but I wouldn't occur to me [TS]

01:10:02   to just take the existing one then cut [TS]

01:10:04   off the wires but of course after you [TS]

01:10:05   see it you realize you know it looks [TS]

01:10:07   kind of weird it does have a lot of [TS]

01:10:09   advantages in particular I think having [TS]

01:10:11   a little handle like having a thing to [TS]

01:10:13   grab it by the hand and obvious place to [TS]

01:10:14   grab it so you're not grabbing a little [TS]

01:10:16   stale it's in your ear you're grabbing a [TS]

01:10:17   stick right that that seems like a big [TS]

01:10:20   window and then of course the place to [TS]

01:10:21   put the battery is probably easier to [TS]

01:10:23   hide a battery and a little stick that [TS]

01:10:25   is the trying to find a place in the [TS]

01:10:26   snail shell to which the battery [TS]

01:10:28   well that does make sense especially [TS]

01:10:30   since oh yeah look at what we've done [TS]

01:10:31   it's so perfect now we're just going to [TS]

01:10:33   make it perfect for goodness alright so [TS]

01:10:37   let's a round out by talking about the [TS]

01:10:40   ice iphone 7 plus cameras and there's [TS]

01:10:43   been a plethora of debate over what they [TS]

01:10:47   can and cannot do and mutual friend of [TS]

01:10:51   ours [TS]

01:10:51   Matthew panzeri know who is [TS]

01:10:53   editor-in-chief of TechCrunch wrote a [TS]

01:10:54   really fantastic review of the iphone [TS]

01:10:58   the iphone 7 and you knew it was going [TS]

01:11:01   to be good when it starts as follows [TS]

01:11:04   this is the very opening [TS]

01:11:05   my kid farts a lot farting and eating is [TS]

01:11:08   pretty much all he does and that's [TS]

01:11:10   because he's four weeks old but anyway [TS]

01:11:12   any iphone review that starts with a [TS]

01:11:14   story about flatulence is good with me [TS]

01:11:16   so in this story he tells us a little [TS]

01:11:20   bit more about the iphone 7 camera and [TS]

01:11:24   so he says every time you take a picture [TS]

01:11:25   with the iphone 7 plus both the wide [TS]

01:11:28   angle and telephoto fire off [TS]

01:11:31   yes to 12 megapixel cameras for every [TS]

01:11:34   shot this could be a prime driver behind [TS]

01:11:35   the increase in iphone 7 plus his memory [TS]

01:11:38   2 3 gigabytes both images are needed due [TS]

01:11:41   to an apple technique it's calling [TS]

01:11:42   fusion internal diffusion takes data [TS]

01:11:44   from both sensors merging them into the [TS]

01:11:45   best possible picture for any condition [TS]

01:11:47   if for instance there's a light seen [TS]

01:11:48   that has some dark areas image [TS]

01:11:49   processing chip could choose to pick up [TS]

01:11:51   some image data pixels or other stuff [TS]

01:11:53   like luminance from the brighter one [TS]

01:11:55   point f 1.8 wide angle and mix it in [TS]

01:11:57   with the data from the f 2.8 telephoto [TS]

01:11:59   creating a composite accomp can't [TS]

01:12:02   pronounce it [TS]

01:12:03   it's compass aight yeah that's it it's [TS]

01:12:05   it's actually pronounced bozell on the [TS]

01:12:07   fly without any input from the user [TS]

01:12:10   this is this was debated a lot over the [TS]

01:12:13   last week do both cameras fire and you [TS]

01:12:16   get data from both cameras when you take [TS]

01:12:18   a picture and according to Matthew [TS]

01:12:19   pantry know who I trust the answers [TS]

01:12:22   unequivocally yes both of them fire [TS]

01:12:24   yeah i saw there's actually a developer [TS]

01:12:26   document somewhere along the way we're [TS]

01:12:28   basically at the API level you can [TS]

01:12:31   specify like if you need certain [TS]

01:12:34   low-level access things like raw [TS]

01:12:35   controls and things like that then you [TS]

01:12:37   have to just pick one and use that one [TS]

01:12:39   but the default mode appears to really [TS]

01:12:41   be this kind of mishmash that uses both [TS]

01:12:44   and tries to be intelligent about it so [TS]

01:12:45   that's cool I I worry a little bit about [TS]

01:12:49   if there's gonna be any kind of [TS]

01:12:51   artifacts from that but i assume Apple [TS]

01:12:54   thought of that and worked around that [TS]

01:12:56   in software so we'll see that's pretty [TS]

01:12:59   cool [TS]

01:13:00   the the other thing that we need to [TS]

01:13:01   cover with the camera which is kind of [TS]

01:13:02   big which is kind of related to this is [TS]

01:13:04   that the the what they're calling a [TS]

01:13:07   telephoto lens is not as good a few [TS]

01:13:10   pretty critical ways you might not want [TS]

01:13:13   the the date from necessarily i guess [TS]

01:13:16   depends on how to have a combining it [TS]

01:13:18   and this is this kind of this is kind of [TS]

01:13:21   actually got me into question whether [TS]

01:13:23   getting the plus or not so it basically [TS]

01:13:25   we know from the keynote that it was [TS]

01:13:29   only f 2.8 compared to f 1.8 of the of [TS]

01:13:33   the wide lens and that results in a lot [TS]

01:13:36   less light coming in and therefore in in [TS]

01:13:41   low-light you're gonna have a lot more [TS]

01:13:42   noise coming from that sensor because [TS]

01:13:44   gonna have to crank up sensitivity to [TS]

01:13:46   make up for the lack of light coming in [TS]

01:13:47   the other problem is i can relate to [TS]

01:13:49   that which is that the the telephoto [TS]

01:13:52   lens does not have image stabilization [TS]

01:13:54   basically you know it's a difference [TS]

01:13:56   between what the six plus and 6s plus [TS]

01:13:59   have had over the 6 and 6s camera [TS]

01:14:02   because that because the the pluses have [TS]

01:14:05   always had optical stabilization on the [TS]

01:14:06   main cameras and the minuses I guess [TS]

01:14:09   have not until the seven and so you can [TS]

01:14:12   see in there in the reviews that [TS]

01:14:13   compared like the 6s to the 666 plus [TS]

01:14:17   camera you can usually see in their [TS]

01:14:18   low-light photos a pretty noticeable [TS]

01:14:20   difference because the image stabilizer [TS]

01:14:23   allows the camera to have a longer [TS]

01:14:25   shutter speed as long as nobody's moving [TS]

01:14:27   had to have a longer shutter speed [TS]

01:14:29   without the shake of your hands getting [TS]

01:14:31   in the way in making it blurry and so in [TS]

01:14:34   low-light longer shutter speed means [TS]

01:14:36   again lower sensitivity needed no less [TS]

01:14:39   less boosting of the signal on this on [TS]

01:14:41   the sensor and therefore less noise in [TS]

01:14:44   the picture so the fact that the [TS]

01:14:46   telephoto does not have stabilization [TS]

01:14:49   will generally mean that you know in in [TS]

01:14:52   any kind of moderate to low light [TS]

01:14:54   basically indoors the pictures from the [TS]

01:14:56   telephoto camera are going to be [TS]

01:14:57   noticeably noisier than the ones from [TS]

01:15:00   the wide camera and additionally because [TS]

01:15:02   because of that f 2.8 is gonna make it [TS]

01:15:05   even worse [TS]

01:15:05   so basically the the telephoto camera is [TS]

01:15:08   going to be mostly an outdoor camera it [TS]

01:15:10   you can use it inside but it won't be [TS]

01:15:12   very good [TS]

01:15:13   the second camera and also people on [TS]

01:15:16   reddit analyze the the EXIF data from [TS]

01:15:20   some of the Sports Illustrated sample [TS]

01:15:21   pictures and they seem to conclude that [TS]

01:15:25   the telephoto sensor is also smaller but [TS]

01:15:29   there's some various conflicting reports [TS]

01:15:30   about this ruling Apple PR statement [TS]

01:15:32   so the sensor might be smaller if the [TS]

01:15:35   sensor smaller that also means generally [TS]

01:15:37   speaking usually more noise because the [TS]

01:15:40   pixels are smaller and collect less [TS]

01:15:41   light so again more amplification [TS]

01:15:43   necessary anyway so all this you know [TS]

01:15:46   there's lots of good reasons why this [TS]

01:15:48   might be the case space considerations [TS]

01:15:49   ate a longer lens involves differently [TS]

01:15:53   shaped objects that are probably deeper [TS]

01:15:55   and and like you know the these are I [TS]

01:15:58   mean these aren't like you know [TS]

01:16:00   thousand-dollar cameras in here they're [TS]

01:16:01   probably like 40 or 50 all cameras and [TS]

01:16:04   that adds up to the bill of materials [TS]

01:16:06   these things like they're already adding [TS]

01:16:07   a second one to add a second one that's [TS]

01:16:09   even more expensive and even larger and [TS]

01:16:11   even more mechanically complicated would [TS]

01:16:13   probably have a noticeable effect on [TS]

01:16:14   their costs on their margins they [TS]

01:16:16   probably don't want so it's probably I'm [TS]

01:16:20   guessing cost is the secondary reason [TS]

01:16:22   and that physical constraints are the [TS]

01:16:24   primary reason but whatever the reasons [TS]

01:16:27   it's kind of unfortunate that the the [TS]

01:16:29   telephoto lens is just not as well [TS]

01:16:31   suspect as the wide lens so i'm actually [TS]

01:16:34   I decided for myself that I'm probably [TS]

01:16:36   gonna do the regular size seven this [TS]

01:16:38   year and not the Plus also the plus is [TS]

01:16:40   giant here's the thing about apple and [TS]

01:16:42   this PR cycle the day of i heard from [TS]

01:16:47   multiple different people who are in [TS]

01:16:49   contact with Apple PR different things [TS]

01:16:52   which is not typical for Apple usually [TS]

01:16:53   Apple PR has everything all I don't want [TS]

01:16:55   to say specific people in specific [TS]

01:16:57   factors are minor facts don't really [TS]

01:16:58   matter in the grand scheme of things but [TS]

01:17:00   we're alvear will tell one person one [TS]

01:17:03   thing to a very specific technical [TS]

01:17:05   question and tell a different person a [TS]

01:17:07   different thing like obviously have PR [TS]

01:17:09   is not a single person so it could just [TS]

01:17:10   be two different people like anyway it [TS]

01:17:12   seems like this store was not exactly [TS]

01:17:13   straight on the sensors i have heard [TS]

01:17:15   that Apple is very adamant that they are [TS]

01:17:18   exactly the same sensor alright well [TS]

01:17:20   whatever the case they still have the [TS]

01:17:21   optical disadvantages where it's a much [TS]

01:17:24   smaller aperture and and the lack of [TS]

01:17:26   image stabilization the image [TS]

01:17:28   stabilization is the obvious when you [TS]

01:17:29   can you can that one like Apple confirms [TS]

01:17:32   obviously you can look at it and apples [TS]

01:17:33   little pictures for the fusion thing [TS]

01:17:35   last show we're talking about whether [TS]

01:17:37   the zooming was using was blending the [TS]

01:17:40   two picture now it turns out like [TS]

01:17:42   everything is blended into it don't [TS]

01:17:44   forget about the zooming just in [TS]

01:17:45   normal operation everything's blending [TS]

01:17:46   like and like i said i will put the link [TS]

01:17:48   in the show notes the Navy foundation [TS]

01:17:50   you know documentation for using the [TS]

01:17:53   camera infuse mode now you lose all this [TS]

01:17:55   control or whatever and what's [TS]

01:17:57   interesting to me is if I have one of [TS]

01:17:58   these one of the first things i would do [TS]

01:17:59   is put my finger over one of the cameras [TS]

01:18:00   take a bunch of pictures and this is a [TS]

01:18:01   tragedy like that just like that color [TS]

01:18:04   taker or something right something that [TS]

01:18:07   they hinted at in the thing I go this [TS]

01:18:08   whatever their image processor with [TS]

01:18:10   billions of calculations and every [TS]

01:18:11   single you know whatever yeah because [TS]

01:18:13   that's it is doing a fairly complicated [TS]

01:18:15   task of what I assume is trying to see [TS]

01:18:18   if there is anything worthwhile to [TS]

01:18:20   combine from you know the potentially [TS]

01:18:23   blurrier differently zoomed-in image [TS]

01:18:25   from the other camera to you know to put [TS]

01:18:28   together to make a bigger better picture [TS]

01:18:29   and so that algorithm has to be smart [TS]

01:18:32   enough to like not make your pictures [TS]

01:18:33   worse if it still happens that it's just [TS]

01:18:35   below the light threshold of the the [TS]

01:18:37   good camera you know for the is the wide [TS]

01:18:39   angle camera can get enough light but [TS]

01:18:41   the zoomed in one is all like nosy and [TS]

01:18:43   gross i hope it will be smart enough not [TS]

01:18:44   to make your what would be a perfectly [TS]

01:18:46   good one camera picture worse by trying [TS]

01:18:48   to blend it [TS]

01:18:49   same thing if I cover-up might one of [TS]

01:18:50   the cameras with my finger I would hope [TS]

01:18:53   it would be smart enough to say oh well [TS]

01:18:54   there's no useful data and the other [TS]

01:18:56   thing so don't combine and have it looks [TS]

01:18:58   like the same i guess if you're a [TS]

01:18:59   developer and you have control with [TS]

01:19:01   these api to say i want to use this [TS]

01:19:04   camera alone for this camera or do the [TS]

01:19:05   fusion that would be funded to like you [TS]

01:19:08   know do a series of three pictures with [TS]

01:19:10   your finger over the thing obviously the [TS]

01:19:11   picture of the just your fingers going [TS]

01:19:13   to be all just you know black or pink or [TS]

01:19:15   whatever color happens to be depending [TS]

01:19:16   on lighting conditions of the no shining [TS]

01:19:18   through your translucent skin and then [TS]

01:19:20   the other one would be clear and in the [TS]

01:19:23   fusion picture would it be the same as [TS]

01:19:26   the single-camera picture that had a [TS]

01:19:28   clear shot or would it be like worse i [TS]

01:19:31   don't know anyway this is all going on [TS]

01:19:33   behind the scenes it's all supposed to [TS]

01:19:34   be entirely transparent i understand why [TS]

01:19:35   apple doesn't care to explain technical [TS]

01:19:37   details it just works it just works and [TS]

01:19:39   that's great but i am very curious about [TS]

01:19:41   exactly what they're doing under the [TS]

01:19:44   covers and if like you said targeted is [TS]

01:19:46   it going to make your pictures better [TS]

01:19:48   than a noticeable way or will you just [TS]

01:19:51   never know that it's happening and [TS]

01:19:52   you'll have to trust that things would [TS]

01:19:54   be worse if it wasn't combining all [TS]

01:19:55   these pixels so Ben McCarthy [TS]

01:19:59   has an iphone app called obscura and so [TS]

01:20:02   he knows the programmatic interfaces to [TS]

01:20:05   the cameras really really well and he [TS]

01:20:08   had confirmed and I just want to call [TS]

01:20:11   this out that you in order to get manual [TS]

01:20:14   exposure in focus on this is what you're [TS]

01:20:15   alluding to earlier Marco on the e on [TS]

01:20:18   the seven plus you cannot use the fuse [TS]

01:20:22   camera mode you have to say either i [TS]

01:20:24   want the telephoto or the wide one and [TS]

01:20:26   so will put a link in the show notes to [TS]

01:20:28   that the depth mapping BuzzFeed says [TS]

01:20:33   because both cameras in the seven plus [TS]

01:20:35   can be run simultaneously it can capture [TS]

01:20:36   nine layers of depth from foreground to [TS]

01:20:39   background I've also seen and I don't [TS]

01:20:41   have a link handy but I've seen rumors [TS]

01:20:43   that there is an IR sensor or something [TS]

01:20:45   like that sitting in between the two [TS]

01:20:47   ones did you guys see that i took that [TS]

01:20:49   out of the notes because I'd someone was [TS]

01:20:51   just saying because looking at the parts [TS]

01:20:52   there's like a hole in the middle but I [TS]

01:20:54   don't know if that's for an IRS like [TS]

01:20:57   this the question where does it get the [TS]

01:20:58   depth map from my last show i said these [TS]

01:21:00   cameras are really close to each other [TS]

01:21:01   so you can get depth from two cameras [TS]

01:21:04   that are separated from each other the [TS]

01:21:05   more they're separated easier it is to [TS]

01:21:06   get the information out [TS]

01:21:08   you can also get it with an ir spray or [TS]

01:21:11   something but i have a feeling that's [TS]

01:21:13   what was going on we would know about it [TS]

01:21:15   by now anyway another one of the [TS]

01:21:16   mysteries of apples a magical hardware [TS]

01:21:20   how are they getting the depth [TS]

01:21:21   information but the benign layer says [TS]

01:21:23   not getting that much that information [TS]

01:21:25   nine layers is pretty granular for an [TS]

01:21:27   entire scene like the present 360 had [TS]

01:21:31   the the first but that was a thing [TS]

01:21:34   called boys bad that i can remember the [TS]

01:21:36   neighborhood you know what I'm talking [TS]

01:21:36   about right to stand in front of the [TS]

01:21:38   xbox and wave your arms around the [TS]

01:21:39   kinect kinect there we go yes the first [TS]

01:21:42   one of those had fairly primitive death [TS]

01:21:45   mapping to figure out where everybody [TS]

01:21:46   was in the room it's way more than nine [TS]

01:21:48   layer so the camera this is and these [TS]

01:21:52   layers are going to be used for the the [TS]

01:21:54   the fake depth of field effect that farm [TS]

01:21:57   where no one has actually tried yet [TS]

01:21:58   right even reviewers don't have this [TS]

01:21:59   year because it sounds like you later [TS]

01:22:01   this year [TS]

01:22:01   yeah so we just don't know how that [TS]

01:22:02   works but that's what the depth is four [TS]

01:22:04   and nine layers is from his guitar [TS]

01:22:08   collection we confirm from apple [TS]

01:22:09   so don't expect miracles in terms of [TS]

01:22:12   mapping of what's new and what's far [TS]

01:22:16   yeah man you can kind of see that in [TS]

01:22:19   their demo photos that show off the the [TS]

01:22:22   fucking effect that like you can tell it [TS]

01:22:25   the edge detection of the subject of its [TS]

01:22:28   kind of crude and it's like things are [TS]

01:22:30   blurred that shouldn't necessarily be [TS]

01:22:32   blurred like depth wise so that's [TS]

01:22:35   probably what we're seeing there's [TS]

01:22:36   probably just the effect of the of the [TS]

01:22:38   depth map being a fairly in precise [TS]

01:22:41   alright Dan Hickson has written about [TS]

01:22:45   raw and he is pointed out to us the raw [TS]

01:22:50   is not a new feature of the iphone 7 but [TS]

01:22:52   new features of iOS 10 with that works [TS]

01:22:55   with any iphones and have 12 makeup [TS]

01:22:56   megapixel camera so I believe that's [TS]

01:22:58   just success and seven is that correct [TS]

01:23:00   that's right [TS]

01:23:01   yes success and forward well i think [TS]

01:23:03   also the sec oh yeah I think you are [TS]

01:23:05   right actually it's a very good point [TS]

01:23:06   and consider that he says he's working [TS]

01:23:08   on a roll camera app for iOS 10 and [TS]

01:23:12   here's why he and his partner [TS]

01:23:13   professional photographers the main [TS]

01:23:15   reason we want on our phones because [TS]

01:23:16   apples noise reduction algorithm is too [TS]

01:23:18   aggressive it's optimized for iphone [TS]

01:23:20   screens and looks good there but if he's [TS]

01:23:23   human on a photo and you look at that [TS]

01:23:25   you took recently the edges are still [TS]

01:23:26   milky and yucky I even have a friend who [TS]

01:23:28   is also a pro photographer has begun [TS]

01:23:30   stockpiling iphone 5s is because the [TS]

01:23:32   noise reduction is less aggressive there [TS]

01:23:34   and i feel like i've also seen [TS]

01:23:35   previously mentioned been McCarthy say [TS]

01:23:37   some of the same things that the noise [TS]

01:23:39   reduction is really aggressive on the on [TS]

01:23:43   the on the Apple side of things and so [TS]

01:23:45   if you take the raw image then you can [TS]

01:23:48   apply whatever noise reduction you want [TS]

01:23:50   thanks for three sponsor this week [TS]

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01:23:54   see you next week [TS]

01:23:57   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:24:01   mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

01:24:05   it was accidental John research Marco in [TS]

01:24:11   kc would let you know [TS]

01:24:13   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:24:17   accidental [TS]

01:24:19   you can find the show know today DP died [TS]

01:24:23   and it for twitter follow them [TS]

01:24:30   yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:24:35   co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment are see you [TS]

01:24:43   at Syracuse [TS]

01:24:57   we should perhaps talk about the [TS]

01:25:00   ordering process and what we ended up [TS]

01:25:02   doing it sounds like II so what what did [TS]

01:25:05   you order [TS]

01:25:06   Marco I thought you were ordering a plus [TS]

01:25:07   so so I did order a plus but I decided [TS]

01:25:11   the very last minute to go for jet black [TS]

01:25:13   because i wanted the grip and I was kind [TS]

01:25:15   of an offensive in regular black and [TS]

01:25:16   jet-black and you know on the plus i [TS]

01:25:19   really wanted extra grip because i [TS]

01:25:21   really want to use a caseless and [TS]

01:25:22   because you just get so big and as i [TS]

01:25:25   mentioned i had been using a plus for [TS]

01:25:27   like the last week or so just to kind of [TS]

01:25:29   a sanity check to make sure i do i [TS]

01:25:32   really want to phone this big and the [TS]

01:25:36   the problem is that minute one the [TS]

01:25:38   earliest and the earliest ship date [TS]

01:25:40   anybody got on a jet black + was [TS]

01:25:43   September 26 by the time i order went [TS]

01:25:46   through mine which have been quoted at [TS]

01:25:48   that time I was actually moved up to [TS]

01:25:51   October fourth through 10th oh but so [TS]

01:25:54   like you know I mean that granted that's [TS]

01:25:57   only like three weeks away or something [TS]

01:26:00   but I really want this phone now and I [TS]

01:26:04   really have reasons to get it now like [TS]

01:26:07   for instance overcast has a prominent [TS]

01:26:09   feature that depends on the hardware of [TS]

01:26:11   the phone's built-in speaker and [TS]

01:26:13   profiling it to minimize distortion [TS]

01:26:15   during voice boost i really would like [TS]

01:26:17   the new phone so I can profile the [TS]

01:26:19   speaker and I can get this feature at [TS]

01:26:21   the poker and so that all people who get [TS]

01:26:23   these phones kind of overcast sound good [TS]

01:26:25   and and correct out of their speakers [TS]

01:26:27   plus i just want the phone you know i'm [TS]

01:26:29   i'm a nerd i'm impatient i want to talk [TS]

01:26:31   about on the show i want you i want for [TS]

01:26:33   the various like minor business purposes [TS]

01:26:35   so yeah to wait till early to mid [TS]

01:26:38   october kind of would suck so in the [TS]

01:26:40   meantime I started thinking you know [TS]

01:26:42   what else could I you know maybe could I [TS]

01:26:44   should just like go in the store and try [TS]

01:26:46   to get a reservation and everything and [TS]

01:26:48   try to get like get one in the meantime [TS]

01:26:49   and then whichever one comes first keep [TS]

01:26:51   that one can't believe that the other [TS]

01:26:52   order and the problem is I all this crap [TS]

01:26:55   with AT&T we're like basically the Apple [TS]

01:26:58   is not very happy to sell you tmobile [TS]

01:27:00   unlocked ones in very much quantity [TS]

01:27:01   because most of the most part being [TS]

01:27:05   resold on the great market play well [TS]

01:27:07   really yeah oh yeah like that's the the [TS]

01:27:10   tmobile stock went out way earlier like [TS]

01:27:12   the tmobile ship dates where it went out [TS]

01:27:13   way further ahead than everyone else is [TS]

01:27:15   way faster I see what you're saying okay [TS]

01:27:17   a little secret between us and the [TS]

01:27:20   listeners which were not going to tell [TS]

01:27:21   anyone [TS]

01:27:22   is that I might have ordered a second [TS]

01:27:24   phone for somebody else that lives in [TS]

01:27:26   the house that may not know this yet [TS]

01:27:28   Declan that one here totally in that 1i [TS]

01:27:32   ordered his tmobile because on the off [TS]

01:27:34   chance that I get murdered for spending [TS]

01:27:39   a lot of money on this phone that wasn't [TS]

01:27:41   really asked for then it would be a very [TS]

01:27:43   easy return you know wouldn't it [TS]

01:27:45   wouldn't be set up against her or his [TS]

01:27:47   but her phone number and so I just got a [TS]

01:27:50   completely vanilla t mobile phone and I [TS]

01:27:53   don't remember what the ship date was to [TS]

01:27:54   your point it was out of ways but i did [TS]

01:27:56   this like hours after waking up last [TS]

01:28:00   Friday so also if it wasn't a plus it [TS]

01:28:02   then the dates for a lot closer [TS]

01:28:04   yeah it is not a plus and I bring all [TS]

01:28:06   this up just to say that for one phone [TS]

01:28:09   like I was as far as applicant is [TS]

01:28:11   concerned like a complete rando and 41 t [TS]

01:28:14   mobile phone they didn't blink an eye [TS]

01:28:16   was super easy [TS]

01:28:17   that's good yeah anyway so I i was [TS]

01:28:21   living with plus all weekend and came to [TS]

01:28:24   the conclusion that i can have a phone [TS]

01:28:27   that big if it's really compelling for [TS]

01:28:29   all the other reasons i can totally live [TS]

01:28:32   with the plus-size phone was when I came [TS]

01:28:35   home I live a little longer and then I [TS]

01:28:37   switched this morning back to my success [TS]

01:28:40   is to kind of have the other side then [TS]

01:28:41   and my god i love the success so much [TS]

01:28:45   more like that boy the same feeling that [TS]

01:28:50   people get when they switch to the SE [TS]

01:28:52   after using a 6 for a while they're like [TS]

01:28:55   oh my god I can reach everything and it [TS]

01:28:57   fits on my pocket and it's so small [TS]

01:28:58   light that's the feeling I got switching [TS]

01:29:00   from the plastic to success like it was [TS]

01:29:03   it was such a big difference and the [TS]

01:29:07   plus like yes the screen is way bigger [TS]

01:29:10   and way nicer the cameras eat even [TS]

01:29:13   though the the telephoto camera is not [TS]

01:29:16   as optically high-spec as the other one [TS]

01:29:18   I would still love to have dual [TS]

01:29:21   members and would gladly pay a hundred [TS]

01:29:22   hours extra they could be the same size [TS]

01:29:24   body is the regular success the battery [TS]

01:29:26   life is indeed better again not as much [TS]

01:29:29   if using the screen but it is indeed [TS]

01:29:31   noticeably better but there are still [TS]

01:29:34   some things about that annoy me i still [TS]

01:29:36   hate that springboard rotates i still [TS]

01:29:39   hate that apps have that weird like half [TS]

01:29:41   ipad view when you accidentally rotate [TS]

01:29:43   them to the point where you i typically [TS]

01:29:45   have to keep the phone with rotation [TS]

01:29:46   lock on you never have to do with my [TS]

01:29:48   success but on the plus side I really [TS]

01:29:50   just have to keep the rotation lock on [TS]

01:29:52   just tolerate all the various weird [TS]

01:29:54   stuff that goes on it is really [TS]

01:29:55   substantially larger and and noticeably [TS]

01:29:58   heavier the point where it's less [TS]

01:29:59   comfortable to use while reading in bed [TS]

01:30:01   while holding it up above me and it does [TS]

01:30:03   not fit in very many pockets very easily [TS]

01:30:06   and also like he had a battery life is [TS]

01:30:08   much longer but when you do want to [TS]

01:30:11   charge it up it charges a lot more [TS]

01:30:12   slowly because it's a bigger battery and [TS]

01:30:13   charger at the same milliamp hour rate [TS]

01:30:15   so it charges more slowly the battery [TS]

01:30:17   case not available for it and yeah it's [TS]

01:30:20   just it's really big and so I can [TS]

01:30:23   totally do that however next year it's [TS]

01:30:27   gonna be a lot smaller and all that if [TS]

01:30:29   all these your words are true then the [TS]

01:30:30   then the plus size screen will be [TS]

01:30:33   available on a much smaller phone body [TS]

01:30:35   next year we can already look and see [TS]

01:30:36   like what Samsung and everyone else does [TS]

01:30:38   with like getting rid of bezels and [TS]

01:30:40   maybe slightly curved screen around all [TS]

01:30:41   this other crap you can get a big screen [TS]

01:30:43   in a small phone body and that's [TS]

01:30:45   probably what Apple's doing with the [TS]

01:30:46   next iphone for next year with this big [TS]

01:30:48   redesign with no bezels I and and one [TS]

01:30:50   more year would also give it a chance to [TS]

01:30:53   maybe improve a telephoto camera a [TS]

01:30:54   little bit and for us to hear more from [TS]

01:30:56   actual users and actual analysis and [TS]

01:30:59   like deep testing to see like how good [TS]

01:31:01   is that second camera in practice how [TS]

01:31:03   you know how useful is it really is [TS]

01:31:05   there anything weird about the dual [TS]

01:31:06   camera setup that like a United that [TS]

01:31:08   anywhere artifacts with the picture [TS]

01:31:10   being combined and everything like we [TS]

01:31:12   will know all that in a year and in a [TS]

01:31:14   year I'll be able to get all the [TS]

01:31:16   benefits of the plus phone in all [TS]

01:31:18   likelihood it a much smaller physical [TS]

01:31:20   shape and size so i think i'm just going [TS]

01:31:22   to wait till that always a plus made [TS]

01:31:24   never plus yeah so so I i think i'm [TS]

01:31:28   gonna i'm gonna go with the regular size [TS]

01:31:31   the 4.7 inch seven this this year and [TS]

01:31:34   also [TS]

01:31:34   the difference between the the seven and [TS]

01:31:38   seven plus like in in various aspects [TS]

01:31:40   and everything is a lot closer than it [TS]

01:31:42   used to be like between 6 and 6 plus the [TS]

01:31:44   battery life is way closer it's it's [TS]

01:31:46   very similar now actually I mean that [TS]

01:31:48   plus still a lot more like if the screen [TS]

01:31:51   is often said but like during for screen [TS]

01:31:53   on use the battery life is actually very [TS]

01:31:54   close and the battery got a lot bigger [TS]

01:31:56   than the seven and only a little bigger [TS]

01:31:58   than 7 plus the l and also the the seven [TS]

01:32:01   camera got the optical image [TS]

01:32:02   stabilization so that now like the [TS]

01:32:04   wide-angle camera and identical between [TS]

01:32:05   the two which wasn't before [TS]

01:32:07   so combined with little annoyed about [TS]

01:32:09   the plus like the weird ipad half modes [TS]

01:32:11   and just a large physical size i'm just [TS]

01:32:14   a lot happier with the regular success [TS]

01:32:16   size right now and so again next year [TS]

01:32:18   when they change the sizes [TS]

01:32:20   maybe i will be less happy with it and i [TS]

01:32:22   will i will go up again you know back to [TS]

01:32:25   the plus there or maybe i will go down [TS]

01:32:28   and and use like you know basically like [TS]

01:32:30   so you know my theory is that the BSE [TS]

01:32:33   name will make a lot more sense in the [TS]

01:32:35   future because the SEC is probably a [TS]

01:32:37   temporary model inserted as a bridge [TS]

01:32:39   until we can get the smaller iPhone [TS]

01:32:41   bodies that were supposed to be out [TS]

01:32:42   maybe a year ago so let's face it might [TS]

01:32:46   seriously they're in in four seconds but [TS]

01:32:48   basically the the next 4.7 inch phone [TS]

01:32:51   might be close enough in dimensions to [TS]

01:32:55   the sec that they don't need it anymore [TS]

01:32:57   so anyway that's that's my my theory [TS]

01:33:00   that the SEC will never be updated and [TS]

01:33:02   it was just a bridge model to get them [TS]

01:33:04   until next year when the 4.7 is small [TS]

01:33:06   enough the SE customers will tolerate it [TS]

01:33:08   so anyway so the answer basically is [TS]

01:33:11   right now I have nothing ordered because [TS]

01:33:13   i couldn't once I can't so I canceled my [TS]

01:33:16   6 plus that was gonna ship in october so [TS]

01:33:20   i could basically reuse the AT&T [TS]

01:33:21   verification on a on a different phone [TS]

01:33:23   but then that stopped working and for [TS]

01:33:26   the last few days I've tried here and [TS]

01:33:28   they're placing orders and I've gotten [TS]

01:33:29   the apple thing saying here's so here's [TS]

01:33:31   a reservation we can kind of come to the [TS]

01:33:32   carrier system but here's a reservation [TS]

01:33:34   for you and I'd go follow through that [TS]

01:33:35   says you know what nevermind we actually [TS]

01:33:37   couldn't do it again so i keep going [TS]

01:33:40   through all these stupid processes and I [TS]

01:33:42   still can't get an order in so i have [TS]

01:33:45   had like a last-minute order for a [TS]

01:33:46   tmobile one that's going to arrive like [TS]

01:33:48   in early October also desperate to have [TS]

01:33:51   this phone with the same phone t-mobile [TS]

01:33:53   it's the same phones AT&T like and it's [TS]

01:33:55   i'm buying a full price anyway i know [TS]

01:33:56   i'm just like you you you need that now [TS]

01:33:59   you if you were if you had anything in [TS]

01:34:03   front of you if the world was your [TS]

01:34:05   oyster you would get a 128 seven [TS]

01:34:07   jet-black is that correct that's right [TS]

01:34:09   ok alright John what about your [TS]

01:34:12   household we last I heard you were going [TS]

01:34:13   to wait on yourself because you wanted [TS]

01:34:16   to see both in hand before you made a [TS]

01:34:18   decision but what about Tina did she [TS]

01:34:21   order one was she planning to know she's [TS]

01:34:23   got a 6s plus it's not here [TS]

01:34:25   I mean I'm assuming she's gonna get a [TS]

01:34:27   watch but she's not ready to pick that [TS]

01:34:29   out yet so yeah no hurry i didn't order [TS]

01:34:32   anything like um just wander into a [TS]

01:34:34   store at some point and take a look at [TS]

01:34:36   them I need to see the person first and [TS]

01:34:37   then decide what I'm going to do and [TS]

01:34:38   didn't just gonna wait and whatever [TS]

01:34:40   shortage and shipping dates and other [TS]

01:34:43   weird things going on [TS]

01:34:44   wait until that's all over and not be [TS]

01:34:46   able to it alright i ordered myself a [TS]

01:34:50   matte black 7 128 I'm not a member of [TS]

01:34:55   the + club I was flirting with it real [TS]

01:34:58   hard for a little while but when I saw [TS]

01:34:59   the details about the camera [TS]

01:35:01   I I felt like you know what there's [TS]

01:35:03   nothing that's really enticing me about [TS]

01:35:05   + club except battery but like marco was [TS]

01:35:07   just explaining the batteries got a lot [TS]

01:35:09   better in the seven supposedly anyway so [TS]

01:35:10   it is apparently sitting in louisville [TS]

01:35:13   kentucky as we speak should be delivered [TS]

01:35:15   friday and i am very stoked and then if [TS]

01:35:19   i had secretly ordered a phone for Aaron [TS]

01:35:21   which I totally did not do it would be a [TS]

01:35:24   71 28 in rose gold and that's delivered [TS]

01:35:28   in like mid october or something like [TS]

01:35:29   that [TS]

01:35:29   hypothetically before we and I just want [TS]

01:35:32   to take one more run it just fine what I [TS]

01:35:35   hope is the first software update to iOS [TS]

01:35:39   10 to allow me to send people lazers [TS]

01:35:41   with reduce motion on because at every [TS]

01:35:46   first of all as we discussed last time [TS]

01:35:47   it's baffling to people that those two [TS]

01:35:50   things are connected in any way you know [TS]

01:35:52   is that baffling I don't because after [TS]

01:35:54   all the people behind happen to know who [TS]

01:35:56   have reduced motion on have it merely as [TS]

01:35:58   an aesthetic preference right it's [TS]

01:36:00   mostly they're not doing it [TS]

01:36:01   because they experienced huge amounts of [TS]

01:36:04   vertical just they just like it a little [TS]

01:36:06   bit better like me that's why I have it [TS]

01:36:07   like I experienced a little tiny bit of [TS]

01:36:09   vertical but not enough that i would be [TS]

01:36:11   well I just liked it better the other [TS]

01:36:12   way so it is it's an it's a preference [TS]

01:36:14   it it's like a preference in the literal [TS]

01:36:16   sense like you just like it better you [TS]

01:36:18   don't need it but you just like it and I [TS]

01:36:20   like it so much I don't want to go back [TS]

01:36:22   to the other way now I totally [TS]

01:36:24   understand that had people who need the [TS]

01:36:28   motion to be reduced because they it [TS]

01:36:30   really affects their ability to use [TS]

01:36:31   their phone also don't want to see [TS]

01:36:32   lasers good all thumbs up but there i [TS]

01:36:37   mean there has to be people out there [TS]

01:36:38   like me who have reduced motion on just [TS]

01:36:41   because they feel like it but it's a [TS]

01:36:43   pretty strong preference but they also [TS]

01:36:45   want to send people lazers so you need [TS]

01:36:47   to do is have a sexual preference in [TS]

01:36:48   messages that you know off by default [TS]

01:36:51   that says even memories motion is off [TS]

01:36:53   give me lasers [TS]

01:36:54   that's it one little toggle throw that [TS]

01:36:57   in there because i have yet to meet a [TS]

01:36:59   person who was able to figure out on [TS]

01:37:02   their own without you know like [TS]

01:37:04   scratching their head and just grandma [TS]

01:37:06   guessing that reduce motion is the [TS]

01:37:07   reason why can't some people lasers and [TS]

01:37:09   then to agree that that's a thing that [TS]

01:37:11   all ok well I bets that you know and now [TS]

01:37:14   that I understand it's just be that way [TS]

01:37:16   because people just want the way they [TS]

01:37:17   want it they want reduce motion and they [TS]

01:37:18   want to send lasers right they have to [TS]

01:37:21   allow that they just have to i just [TS]

01:37:22   cannot stand then I don't think this is [TS]

01:37:24   gonna happen personally cannot stand you [TS]

01:37:27   can't leave it like this people wanting [TS]

01:37:29   you know how many times i've been to the [TS]

01:37:30   reduce motion setting sending people [TS]

01:37:32   lazers I need to send lasers ok [TS]

01:37:34   it needs to be done and yet i gotta go [TS]

01:37:36   back to the setting appt like I'm sure [TS]

01:37:38   i'm not working like I leave it on the [TS]

01:37:40   reduce motion toggle so i can turn off [TS]

01:37:42   with it go back to the apps and lasers [TS]

01:37:44   it's just it's untenable this they can't [TS]

01:37:46   leave it like that I completely i [TS]

01:37:47   completely disagree with you and it's [TS]

01:37:49   best summarized actually by the tips [TS]

01:37:51   during the chat [TS]

01:37:51   do not use accessibility features to [TS]

01:37:53   tweak the phone problem solved [TS]

01:37:54   I agree with tips no notice it like [TS]

01:37:56   that's not problems of people people [TS]

01:37:58   want to do this I understand why they're [TS]

01:38:00   there and I'm not arguing that this [TS]

01:38:01   should be like the default obviously [TS]

01:38:02   should work this way the defaults are [TS]

01:38:04   correct this is the way it should work [TS]

01:38:05   but there are there are people who used [TS]

01:38:08   we all know them to use accessibility [TS]

01:38:10   features as aesthetic preferences [TS]

01:38:12   you can't just deny those people exist [TS]

01:38:14   you shouldn't [TS]

01:38:15   using them that way look there there [TS]

01:38:16   there switches people can toggle and the [TS]

01:38:18   kind of switches the people can toggle [TS]

01:38:20   like I've had reduced motion on since [TS]

01:38:22   iOS 7 that as far as I'm concerned that [TS]

01:38:24   is the iphone experience to me is [TS]

01:38:26   because reduce motion turned on [TS]

01:38:27   most people who have produced motion [TS]

01:38:29   turned on purely for like reasons a [TS]

01:38:31   personal preference [TS]

01:38:32   that's how they've been using phones for [TS]

01:38:34   years to say that you have to choose [TS]

01:38:36   between that and seeing confetti and [TS]

01:38:38   balloons and it's just it's just not i [TS]

01:38:41   don't i really think they're going to [TS]

01:38:43   change this because it just seems [TS]

01:38:45   obvious to me that they added the Apple [TS]

01:38:46   has Miss estimated exactly how annoying [TS]

01:38:49   it is not to be able to send lasers I i [TS]

01:38:53   am first of all deeply amused that that [TS]

01:38:57   you are this fired up over something [TS]

01:38:59   that is so kitchen silly but beyond that [TS]

01:39:02   I I understand where you're coming from [TS]

01:39:04   but I completely disagree and again i [TS]

01:39:06   think that the fact that you happen to [TS]

01:39:08   prefer this aesthetically while tough [TS]

01:39:10   cookies for you because that's not the [TS]

01:39:11   purpose of the purpose of it is to [TS]

01:39:13   prevent issues I don't doesn't matter [TS]

01:39:15   what the purpose just matters how people [TS]

01:39:16   use it doesn't matter what the purposes [TS]

01:39:18   it only matters how people use it you [TS]

01:39:20   can make it things for whatever purpose [TS]

01:39:22   you want it just matters help it's like [TS]

01:39:23   that might be the the force quit thing [TS]

01:39:25   doesn't matter that the purposes like if [TS]

01:39:27   your app is frozen use it only matters [TS]

01:39:28   how people use it and people use it to [TS]

01:39:30   obsessively force quit all the wraps to [TS]

01:39:32   clear off the thing like you can design [TS]

01:39:34   feature with one intention but when [TS]

01:39:36   people use it they're showing you [TS]

01:39:37   well you may have designed it that way [TS]

01:39:39   but here's how we're using it and you [TS]

01:39:40   have to take that and put back into this [TS]

01:39:42   time inside [TS]

01:39:42   well people really don't like a bunch of [TS]

01:39:44   clutter on their app switchers maybe we [TS]

01:39:45   should give them a way to get rid of [TS]

01:39:47   clutter or have a an option that says [TS]

01:39:49   never show more than three things in the [TS]

01:39:51   app switcher because it's clear that [TS]

01:39:52   people are really annoyed by seeing a [TS]

01:39:53   little screens on the app switcher and [TS]

01:39:55   even though it's supposed to be there to [TS]

01:39:56   exit a a nap the tongue people use it [TS]

01:39:59   for something different so you have to [TS]

01:40:01   re-examine now maybe it's only meal and [TS]

01:40:04   literally 25 other people that I know [TS]

01:40:05   that do this and then the rest of the [TS]

01:40:07   entire world never runs with reduce [TS]

01:40:09   motion on or their own reduce motion [TS]

01:40:11   animals they found out they couldn't [TS]

01:40:12   sell is really that didn't care about [TS]

01:40:13   the lasers or didn't care about reduce [TS]

01:40:15   motion anymore but i find it hard to [TS]

01:40:17   believe that there are lots of people [TS]

01:40:18   out there using accessibility features [TS]

01:40:20   quote-unquote for the wrong reasons [TS]

01:40:23   who are annoyed now that they can't use [TS]

01:40:25   the new features and messages so really [TS]

01:40:28   you just want to be [TS]

01:40:28   tweak everything so really this is not [TS]

01:40:31   our statics this is not just like this [TS]

01:40:33   comes back to Marco diff suggesting you [TS]

01:40:35   get an android phone i'm on him in the [TS]

01:40:37   market campaign look but i will I would [TS]

01:40:39   gladly trade for example the home button [TS]

01:40:41   week which i'm amazed exists like I'm [TS]

01:40:43   amazed that home button week exist [TS]

01:40:45   because this is totally like look with [TS]

01:40:46   the race to wake you don't need it [TS]

01:40:47   anymore so why would we ever give you an [TS]

01:40:48   option to go back to the old way but [TS]

01:40:50   they did you know why it's just one [TS]

01:40:51   little switch i will click trade that in [TS]

01:40:52   a second for not having a crippled [TS]

01:40:55   version of messages for the readers [TS]

01:40:56   motion on but so what i don't understand [TS]

01:40:58   though is I thought you were made [TS]

01:41:00   physically ill by having reduce motion [TS]

01:41:03   off a little bit of vertigo but not much [TS]

01:41:06   see the truth comes out but anyway I [TS]

01:41:09   don't want to turn the whole point is I [TS]

01:41:10   don't want to turn reduce motion back [TS]

01:41:12   off that's why I'm not doing that I just [TS]

01:41:13   wanna I'd i'm not bothered at all i [TS]

01:41:16   don't get any illness at all from [TS]

01:41:17   balloons and confetti and lasers since I [TS]

01:41:19   mean you know everyone has one of these [TS]

01:41:23   things like like you know I i mentioned [TS]

01:41:26   earlier my my annoyance with rotation [TS]

01:41:28   lock on the six plus I i would love it [TS]

01:41:31   if apps had individual rotation lock [TS]

01:41:33   settings it's not gonna happen [TS]

01:41:35   twitter used to have that Twitter used [TS]

01:41:36   to have that and they got rid of it in [TS]

01:41:37   favor the US one I remember those days [TS]

01:41:39   so overcast has been too but I'm like [TS]

01:41:41   you know there's not going to be like a [TS]

01:41:42   system preference somewhere that lists [TS]

01:41:44   all my apps like you know just like the [TS]

01:41:45   cell data think but that's untenable [TS]

01:41:47   like this this is an easily easy obvious [TS]

01:41:49   121 times which you know exactly where [TS]

01:41:51   we'd go you're done but what you're [TS]

01:41:53   saying basically is you really want [TS]

01:41:55   there to be no motion effect anywhere in [TS]

01:41:57   the US except this one app but still [TS]

01:42:00   there's no motion effects and tons of [TS]

01:42:02   apps that like I'm not reduce motion is [TS]

01:42:04   not written if you run weather is much [TS]

01:42:06   not know [TS]

01:42:07   alright so it does not remove all [TS]

01:42:08   animations from the system right [TS]

01:42:10   it reduces them all right honey of apps [TS]

01:42:13   have their own animations all over the [TS]

01:42:15   place in them they're not affected at [TS]

01:42:16   all by reducing motion right but what's [TS]

01:42:19   she like [TS]

01:42:19   i get so many ridiculous feature [TS]

01:42:21   requests for overcast that basically are [TS]

01:42:24   along the lines of I like this one [TS]

01:42:26   feature that you implemented here but i [TS]

01:42:29   want to have / podcast control over it [TS]

01:42:32   or per episode control over it that is [TS]

01:42:34   by far the most common format feature [TS]

01:42:37   request I get the problem is that every [TS]

01:42:39   one of those things is different and if [TS]

01:42:41   I actually [TS]

01:42:42   satisfied these requests in any [TS]

01:42:44   reasonable way I would just have a wall [TS]

01:42:47   of settings and options all over every [TS]

01:42:49   single screen and it's untenable and so [TS]

01:42:52   what you're saying is you want that kind [TS]

01:42:55   of granularity for your little pet thing [TS]

01:42:57   here but everybody has one of those pet [TS]

01:42:59   things know it's it's not it's not a [TS]

01:43:01   granularity thing it's about the [TS]

01:43:03   disconnect between reduce motion and hat [TS]

01:43:06   features right know what does it sits [TS]

01:43:08   that's absolutely ridiculous because no [TS]

01:43:10   it isn't because reduce motion doesn't [TS]

01:43:12   reduce motion does not reduce motion in [TS]

01:43:14   apps like you're like oh I everybody's [TS]

01:43:15   motion I don't expect to see it does if [TS]

01:43:17   they use the right ap is no i mean like [TS]

01:43:19   its supposed to the accessibility [TS]

01:43:21   features are meant to be blunt [TS]

01:43:23   instruments that are not meant for [TS]

01:43:25   everyone to use them and they're [TS]

01:43:26   designed as they're designed that way to [TS]

01:43:28   so like you know one of the [TS]

01:43:30   accessibility features bold text right [TS]

01:43:32   because the the text so skinny and iOS 7 [TS]

01:43:34   turns out if you if you want bold text [TS]

01:43:37   it all your apps except one [TS]

01:43:40   there's no option to do that like [TS]

01:43:42   because that's these are meant to be [TS]

01:43:43   broad blunt instruments for people who [TS]

01:43:46   need them for accessibility purposes but [TS]

01:43:48   there are plenty of applications that [TS]

01:43:50   ignore the bold text setting because [TS]

01:43:51   they don't use it the same thing reduce [TS]

01:43:53   motion if you turn on reduce motion and [TS]

01:43:54   play game it's still with motion it's [TS]

01:43:56   not reducing motion for you this motion [TS]

01:43:57   everywhere right [TS]

01:43:59   well that's really really reduce this is [TS]

01:44:01   the only this is the only case in which [TS]

01:44:03   reduce my motion has made entire [TS]

01:44:06   headline features of any apple or an [TS]

01:44:08   apple app completely inaccessible like [TS]

01:44:11   you don't even have a choice to use them [TS]

01:44:12   they're not hidden they're not locked [TS]

01:44:14   you just cannot use them you can't see [TS]

01:44:15   them you can even send them everything [TS]

01:44:18   becomes center with lasers in [TS]

01:44:19   parenthesis right this is an [TS]

01:44:21   unprecedented it's unprecedented a [TS]

01:44:23   feature like this it would total and [TS]

01:44:24   like that everybody who has discovered [TS]

01:44:26   this you find out all the people using [TS]

01:44:28   reduce motion because the first time is [TS]

01:44:30   the upgrade to iOS 10 they want to send [TS]

01:44:32   lasers they can't they can't figure it [TS]

01:44:33   out you know many times I've seen the [TS]

01:44:34   same conversation different slack [TS]

01:44:35   channel light twitter on the brightest [TS]

01:44:37   and laser I'm trying to send balloons [TS]

01:44:39   and I can't oh do you have reduced [TS]

01:44:40   motion on that's what it is and then [TS]

01:44:42   those people are just stuck it's like [TS]

01:44:43   well i guess i can't have reduce motion [TS]

01:44:45   anymore I mean think of it this way [TS]

01:44:47   what if you are made physically ill by [TS]

01:44:49   the reduce motion effects but lasers and [TS]

01:44:51   balloons don't bother you [TS]

01:44:52   what about that no one cares about you [TS]

01:44:53   anymore because those two things while [TS]

01:44:55   I'm sorry [TS]

01:44:56   like I don't think this is a question of [TS]

01:44:57   granularity I think this is a totally [TS]

01:44:59   unprecedented linking of basically [TS]

01:45:02   unrelated things for feature that [TS]

01:45:04   doesn't reduce motion across the entire [TS]

01:45:05   operating system but just this one app [TS]

01:45:07   the messages team said you know what [TS]

01:45:09   balloons too much confetti is too much [TS]

01:45:11   we've got to reduce it much again I'm on [TS]

01:45:13   board with that but you have to [TS]

01:45:15   recognize that there are people out [TS]

01:45:16   there for whom the the constant zooming [TS]

01:45:19   in and out motion of transition between [TS]

01:45:21   applications is bothersome Blazers are [TS]

01:45:24   not i-i-i this is the most preposterous [TS]

01:45:27   thing I've ever heard you say so that [TS]

01:45:29   the name of the setting is reduce motion [TS]

01:45:32   so use fewer balloons but you want it [TS]

01:45:35   for balloons and lasers that are like on [TS]

01:45:38   the verge of a strobe light but you want [TS]

01:45:41   that to be okay [TS]

01:45:44   the whole point now by the mall not by [TS]

01:45:46   default option and why should it be an [TS]

01:45:49   option for this one application because [TS]

01:45:50   this is the headline features of iOS 10 [TS]

01:45:52   the messages enhancements are a headline [TS]

01:45:54   features of iOS 10 that regular people [TS]

01:45:55   want to use their sure to be very [TS]

01:45:57   popular the first thing everybody tries [TS]

01:45:59   but it's not like some obscure corner of [TS]

01:46:01   the the OS or I'm like this one app that [TS]

01:46:03   nobody ever uses this is ice think this [TS]

01:46:07   is unprecedented I think this absolutely [TS]

01:46:09   has to change in a future version and I [TS]

01:46:13   should i also would like to note that [TS]

01:46:15   there is you I accessibility is reduce [TS]

01:46:18   motion enabled which is an official API [TS]

01:46:20   that at that a any developer worth their [TS]

01:46:23   salt which is really none of them [TS]

01:46:25   because i don't know if i would bother [TS]

01:46:26   with this but anyway any developer worth [TS]

01:46:28   their salt would check internet and [TS]

01:46:30   crank back on their own in-app [TS]

01:46:32   animations if this is turned on so maybe [TS]

01:46:34   nobody does this but strictly speaking [TS]

01:46:36   it is responsibility of Marco of me of [TS]

01:46:39   any other iOS developer to check this in [TS]

01:46:41   crank down on animations if it is turned [TS]

01:46:43   on so just because we're maybe bad [TS]

01:46:46   citizens of the platform and I shouldn't [TS]

01:46:48   want mark when the with this maybe you [TS]

01:46:50   are using it but you know if some okay [TS]

01:46:52   there you go to use all the text [TS]

01:46:54   features dynamic text buttons i use all [TS]

01:46:55   that stuff [TS]

01:46:56   exactly so if we're bad citizens of the [TS]

01:46:59   platform and you've in your bank error [TS]

01:47:01   in your favor when two hundred dollars [TS]

01:47:03   were good for you but the fact the [TS]

01:47:04   matter is reduce motion is supposed to [TS]

01:47:06   reduce motion and that's what it's doing [TS]

01:47:08   its reducing emotional [TS]

01:47:09   balloons and lasers and strobe lights [TS]

01:47:11   and things like that doesn't reduce the [TS]

01:47:12   motion of the messages sliding up when [TS]

01:47:14   the things go by this is like if you had [TS]

01:47:15   a game where if you have reduced motion [TS]

01:47:17   on you could play the game but you [TS]

01:47:19   couldn't fire the rocket launcher [TS]

01:47:20   because the rocket launcher had too many [TS]

01:47:21   flashing lights and you'll be trying to [TS]

01:47:23   play the game and you can't figure out [TS]

01:47:24   why you can't beat this boss and you [TS]

01:47:26   pick up the rocket launcher but you [TS]

01:47:27   can't fire it and you can't figure it [TS]

01:47:29   out you right to the development so if [TS]

01:47:30   you have reduce motion on you can't fire [TS]

01:47:31   the rocket launcher [TS]

01:47:32   this is and that would be an obscure [TS]

01:47:34   third party game that's a bad decision [TS]

01:47:37   by one obscure third party game [TS]

01:47:39   this is headlining feature totally gone [TS]

01:47:42   because you have because you don't want [TS]

01:47:43   to see zoom animations when you go from [TS]

01:47:45   springboard into an application it's [TS]

01:47:46   completely absurd [TS]

01:47:47   so how wrong you are side I cannot [TS]

01:47:49   believe how much time and energy you're [TS]

01:47:52   putting into trying to get these like [TS]

01:47:53   tacky horrible effects but this is like [TS]

01:47:56   the worst part of I guess that's what [TS]

01:47:58   everybody does it did you know someone [TS]

01:48:00   who got os10 didn't immediately try to [TS]

01:48:02   play with those effects that's what I [TS]

01:48:03   recorded and at work today friend at [TS]

01:48:06   work was was at my desk and talking to [TS]

01:48:09   myself into a co-worker saying why can't [TS]

01:48:11   I get lasers to work and we couldn't [TS]

01:48:13   figure it out for second waiter you want [TS]

01:48:14   to 60 so don't need to tap and hold your [TS]

01:48:17   success we need to the deep profound [TS]

01:48:18   another person another casual reduce [TS]

01:48:20   motion user hold on it yes I it was [TS]

01:48:22   another casualties motion user however [TS]

01:48:24   the moment that I pointed out it's a [TS]

01:48:27   choice between reduce motion or lasers [TS]

01:48:29   immediately reduce motion was canned [TS]

01:48:32   lasers it is I'll roll with it [TS]

01:48:34   these people have have more drive for [TS]

01:48:36   lasers I i am about 5050 [TS]

01:48:39   I don't want to reduce motion off but I [TS]

01:48:41   also on laser so so I go back to System [TS]

01:48:43   Preferences I turn reducing motion off i [TS]

01:48:45   send the lasers and then I turn it back [TS]

01:48:47   on [TS]

01:48:47   that's cannot believe you're not [TS]

01:48:49   dedicated to frickin lasers I notable I [TS]

01:48:52   agree it's ludicrous and there should be [TS]

01:48:53   a preference for and I can understand [TS]

01:48:54   i'm not saying like Apple should have [TS]

01:48:56   known because maybe they just don't know [TS]

01:48:58   how many people using reduce motion for [TS]

01:49:00   like you know who they put it this way [TS]

01:49:03   who are bothered by the motion to reduce [TS]

01:49:05   motion stops but are not bothered by [TS]

01:49:07   lasers right and maybe they just didn't [TS]

01:49:09   know how many people that and the ATP to [TS]

01:49:11   keep saying accessibility as [TS]

01:49:12   accessibility is a different class of [TS]

01:49:14   people accessibilities for everybody [TS]

01:49:15   every single human being is going to [TS]

01:49:18   need eventually one or more [TS]

01:49:19   accessibility features is not a separate [TS]

01:49:21   class well normal people and [TS]

01:49:23   accessibility people everybody needs [TS]

01:49:25   accessibility features every single [TS]

01:49:26   person so they are not separate but the [TS]

01:49:30   accessibility options in iOS are [TS]

01:49:32   designed for non-mainstream use so they [TS]

01:49:36   don't put its not non-mainstream it's a [TS]

01:49:38   hundred percent mainstream there is no [TS]

01:49:39   distinction between normals and people [TS]

01:49:41   need accessibility features if you if [TS]

01:49:43   you would like the accessibility feature [TS]

01:49:44   because it makes the pleasant experience [TS]

01:49:46   in using iphone easier more pleasant for [TS]

01:49:48   you then that's fine but if Apple [TS]

01:49:50   actually wanted this to be like a really [TS]

01:49:52   good setting that had granularity and [TS]

01:49:55   features to satisfy everybody they [TS]

01:49:56   wouldn't bury an accessibility they [TS]

01:49:58   would make it a regular setting this is [TS]

01:50:00   the headline feature of their new [TS]

01:50:02   operating system this is not an obscure [TS]

01:50:04   tweak or setting and the fact that it is [TS]

01:50:06   totally absent is different from i wish [TS]

01:50:08   it behaved in a little bit different way [TS]

01:50:10   this is not i want / podcast setting for [TS]

01:50:12   every single thing this is not i want / [TS]

01:50:14   conversation read receipts which by the [TS]

01:50:15   way they have this is not that this is [TS]

01:50:18   those lasers that you keep seeing have [TS]

01:50:20   fun banging your head against your phone [TS]

01:50:22   trying to figure out how to send them [TS]

01:50:23   you can't [TS]

01:50:24   and guess what it's because of that [TS]

01:50:25   because you didn't want the Zoom [TS]

01:50:26   animations when you go between apps who [TS]

01:50:28   is sending you all these lasers I [TS]

01:50:29   haven't gotten any lasers you what if [TS]

01:50:31   you're talking to casey I've said you [TS]

01:50:33   like one [TS]

01:50:34   you have lots of drawings and a little [TS]

01:50:37   heart things and everybody's playing [TS]

01:50:38   with everyone wants the blade i have not [TS]

01:50:40   sent you any of that stuff I can't even [TS]

01:50:41   find it arrives to having some John that [TS]

01:50:44   stuff i was sending Marco state where [TS]

01:50:45   are the lasers so i will send your laser [TS]

01:50:48   and by the way i am as deeply pissed off [TS]

01:50:51   as you are about this which is [TS]

01:50:52   preposterous i maintain I am as deeply [TS]

01:50:55   pissed off if not more so that they [TS]

01:50:57   removed the sweet techno beats from the [TS]

01:51:00   lasers sound effect now just sounds like [TS]

01:51:03   garbage so Marco i will send your lasers [TS]

01:51:06   by typing the word garbage deep pressing [TS]

01:51:09   on the up the blue up arrow hitting the [TS]

01:51:12   segmented control sleeping over and then [TS]

01:51:15   hitting the blue button so i have just [TS]

01:51:17   sent your lasers [TS]

01:51:18   oh my God look at all that motion it's [TS]

01:51:20   not being reduced at all [TS]

01:51:21   nope not a bit so if you have your phone [TS]

01:51:23   in silent Casey how would you feel if [TS]

01:51:25   you had your phone in silent mode if you [TS]

01:51:26   couldn't send letters now like you [TS]

01:51:28   couldn't you no longer had access to any [TS]

01:51:29   bubble effects or any screen effects [TS]

01:51:31   about what you don't have to dial that [TS]

01:51:32   that is not an analogous are it is [TS]

01:51:34   isn't healthy now literally disappears [TS]

01:51:36   because some aspect of a base [TS]

01:51:37   potentially harmful you said you didn't [TS]

01:51:39   want any noise and noise comes with the [TS]

01:51:40   same so sorry analogous in Italian it an [TS]

01:51:43   analogous argument would be you know [TS]

01:51:45   John I really are [TS]

01:51:46   I would really love to be able to send [TS]

01:51:48   lasers and even if the phone is silence [TS]

01:51:50   it should play the audio for the lasers [TS]

01:51:53   no no no because reduce motion is not [TS]

01:51:56   like the mute switch again this motion [TS]

01:51:57   all over the place reduce motion even [TS]

01:51:59   apps that honor it is impossible to [TS]

01:52:01   eliminate motion like I said when you [TS]

01:52:02   send a message the bubbles slide upwards [TS]

01:52:04   that's motion my goodness my goodness I [TS]

01:52:09   can't believe I can't even believe you [TS]

01:52:10   to disagree on that is a Apple needs to [TS]

01:52:13   change that be I think they will change [TS]

01:52:14   it because it's so easy to change it so [TS]

01:52:16   obvious I think they just dark and he [TS]

01:52:18   did not correctly estimate how many [TS]

01:52:19   people are casual reduce motion users [TS]

01:52:21   who want lasers [TS]

01:52:23   look at all these balloons and confetti [TS]

01:52:24   i'm having all this fun over here with [TS]

01:52:26   his motion i will bet you one American [TS]

01:52:31   dollar that this that you're that you're [TS]

01:52:33   delightful setting will never exist [TS]

01:52:35   effort i will take that bet I will take [TS]

01:52:38   that one dollar bet and and my timeframe [TS]

01:52:40   for that bed is before I was 11 [TS]

01:52:42   that's all I'm saying I don't know what [TS]

01:52:43   point was just gonna be a 10-point [TS]

01:52:45   point2 points3 points4 know what numbers [TS]

01:52:48   they got to but that is a one dollar bet [TS]

01:52:49   that i will take I I will absolutely [TS]

01:52:51   agree to this one dollar bet [TS]

01:52:53   oh my god is ridiculous we give me odds [TS]

01:52:55   on that [TS]

01:52:56   no I wasn't high god it's 10,000 is [TS]

01:53:01   10,000 the one in my favor right because [TS]

01:53:03   Apple not doing something is always a [TS]

01:53:04   safe bet so [TS]

01:53:06   oh god just turn off reduce motion you [TS]

01:53:09   don't need it [TS]

01:53:10   yes seriously thank you i tried i can't [TS]

01:53:13   take it I can't take it [TS]

01:53:14   just close your eyes when you hit the [TS]

01:53:15   home button now I can't take it [TS]

01:53:17   aesthetically like I believe I can like [TS]

01:53:19   yeah well that's what it really is [TS]

01:53:21   that's the problem is you don't you [TS]

01:53:22   don't need it for an accessibility [TS]

01:53:23   reason you just have a preference [TS]

01:53:25   well then you know it i mean it does [TS]

01:53:28   it's borderline because like I you feel [TS]

01:53:31   tiny tiny little bit of vertical but i [TS]

01:53:33   would get over it like it's not it's not [TS]

01:53:34   the building was less time you use it [TS]

01:53:36   like I don't like 15 minutes ago like I [TS]

01:53:38   can keep going back to reduce motion [TS]

01:53:40   because again when you send lasers its [TS]

01:53:42   pain to go back and forth so I leave it [TS]

01:53:43   and then I realized that it's still on i [TS]

01:53:45   go [TS]

01:53:46   all that turned back off for people who [TS]

01:53:48   are so sensitive that they would need [TS]

01:53:50   that for the actual accessibility [TS]

01:53:51   purpose i think it's a reasonable [TS]

01:53:53   default to disable as many fullscreen [TS]

01:53:55   animations as possible [TS]

01:53:57   oh no it's totally a reasonable default [TS]

01:53:59   totally reasonable default but i don't [TS]

01:54:02   think that if you did the Venn diagram [TS]

01:54:04   of people who actually need that feature [TS]

01:54:06   vs people who are also followed by [TS]

01:54:08   lasers it's not a hundred percent [TS]

01:54:09   overlaps that's why the non overlapping [TS]

01:54:11   region is the place for the second [TS]

01:54:13   setting and again i will gladly [TS]

01:54:14   sacrifice the home button setting if you [TS]

01:54:16   want to keep your number of toggle [TS]

01:54:17   switches to a constant level with this [TS]

01:54:20   fireworks [TS]

01:54:21   yeah look at that this is the most [TS]

01:54:23   preposterous argument I think I've ever [TS]

01:54:24   heard you make John syracuse that this [TS]

01:54:26   is truly ridiculous [TS]

01:54:28   by the way when reduce motion is on you [TS]

01:54:29   can send the sparkly little dewdrop [TS]

01:54:31   message thingies [TS]

01:54:32   no problem with that that's exactly the [TS]

01:54:34   same emotions firework speaking of [TS]

01:54:35   fireworks sparkly little lines that we [TS]

01:54:37   need to the tap on the little black [TS]

01:54:38   screen and makes a little group but [TS]

01:54:40   that's basically a firework that's [TS]

01:54:41   apparently fine with reduce motion on no [TS]

01:54:43   lasers I I can't handle this [TS]

01:54:48   oh my god i have I literally cannot even [TS]

01:54:52   I'm just I'm worn out from the [TS]

01:54:54   ridiculous serious how many windows gave [TS]

01:54:55   up right now Jonny just need something [TS]

01:54:56   else I mean just this guy i get 3 the [TS]

01:55:00   most the reason I'm so angry as I can't [TS]

01:55:01   believe that you two are both against me [TS]

01:55:03   on this 1i was the odds of one fine but [TS]

01:55:07   both of you [TS]

01:55:08   it's just it's reading you know what it [TS]

01:55:10   is i have i have had to support an app [TS]

01:55:13   that sometimes didn't look quite right [TS]

01:55:16   or didn't work quite right with some of [TS]

01:55:18   these obscure accessibility options [TS]

01:55:19   turned on and then people people just [TS]

01:55:22   turn them on and then forget their on [TS]

01:55:24   and then they send support email saying [TS]

01:55:26   hey there's a visual bug in your [TS]

01:55:28   rendering here's a screenshot and they [TS]

01:55:30   blame me [TS]

01:55:31   and the reason it looks that way is [TS]

01:55:32   because of an accessibility settings [TS]

01:55:34   they set so as a developer i don't have [TS]

01:55:37   a lot of sympathy for people who set [TS]

01:55:40   these settings without knowing even what [TS]

01:55:42   they are just as like little preferences [TS]

01:55:44   that like who don't need them for these [TS]

01:55:45   the actual possibility purpose because [TS]

01:55:47   people tend to forget what I set them [TS]

01:55:49   then email me saying hey this is a [TS]

01:55:51   problem you're at because I said the [TS]

01:55:53   setting i did that i forgot about that [TS]

01:55:55   that it that I'm not really using for [TS]

01:55:56   this purpose so i do have a hard time [TS]

01:55:58   feeling bad for you [TS]

01:55:59   not using I you keep getting back to the [TS]

01:56:01   not using for purpose i don't think [TS]

01:56:03   that's a valid anything like not using [TS]

01:56:05   for purpose [TS]

01:56:05   look it's a setting if people want to [TS]

01:56:07   use it they want to use it all what [TS]

01:56:08   doesn't count because you're not using [TS]

01:56:09   it for its intended purpose but they're [TS]

01:56:11   using the setting anybody can change the [TS]

01:56:13   switch on the thing like and again i [TS]

01:56:16   think from you I wise people not being [TS]

01:56:20   able to figure out why they can't send [TS]

01:56:22   lasers is just plain you I problem [TS]

01:56:24   forget about whether you think it's like [TS]

01:56:25   they should have something in the UI [TS]

01:56:26   that says I see that you're trying to [TS]

01:56:28   hold down on this little up arrow like [TS]

01:56:30   you know like they have a look at blocks [TS]

01:56:32   indicator like it's the users fault they [TS]

01:56:34   have cat box on they don't realize [TS]

01:56:35   they're not miss typing the password the [TS]

01:56:36   cap locks on you put a visual indicators [TS]

01:56:38   not even that obvious but you put [TS]

01:56:40   something on the screen to let them know [TS]

01:56:41   rather than is leaving them that are [TS]

01:56:43   stranded holding their thumb down a [TS]

01:56:45   little upper face and error messages and [TS]

01:56:46   not understanding why they can't send [TS]

01:56:48   stuff like that's a you is your [TS]

01:56:50   independent of what you think whether [TS]

01:56:51   think it should be supported [TS]

01:56:52   there should be something in the UI to [TS]

01:56:54   tell people you may not realize this but [TS]

01:56:55   the reason you can't do this thing we [TS]

01:56:57   know you're trying to do it and we know [TS]

01:56:59   exactly why you can't do it and it's [TS]

01:57:00   totally not obvious and no one will ever [TS]

01:57:02   think about setting that they do they [TS]

01:57:03   change in iOS 7 and thought about since [TS]

01:57:05   so that is a separate thing entirely and [TS]

01:57:07   I hope both of you can agree that [TS]

01:57:08   interfaces together I think you both [TS]

01:57:10   dealt with people who have not been able [TS]

01:57:12   to figure out why they can't stand [TS]

01:57:13   lasers [TS]

01:57:13   i mean i-i think it should be wanting to [TS]

01:57:16   agree on that you're sitting you both of [TS]

01:57:17   you want agree on that it should be more [TS]

01:57:19   obvious what the cause of not being able [TS]

01:57:22   to send thank-you thank-you for I was [TS]

01:57:24   the voice of reason finally Marco still [TS]

01:57:25   on agree on that but you will let you [TS]

01:57:27   should be more obvious but even given a [TS]

01:57:29   chance we didn't even get me just so he [TS]

01:57:31   decided at me and he is angry people [TS]