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it's the special episode time was doing
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special episode of directives most topic
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I don't know what the one
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what the hell's the topic ever on that
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show your libido mosquito your libido
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yep that was a smells like teen spirit
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for those keeping track
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smells like teen spirit was a band no it
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was what was the song by the band
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Nirvana i'm aware of the song yeah and
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in that song they were lyrics that
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rhymed a lot and I said one of them and
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that was a reference John is explaining
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Nirvana to us
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I've made the reference you had no
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reaction that I explained the reference
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came from still no reaction i feel like
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i have to go deeper
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I didn't think it was funny enough to
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react to music is like a series of
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sounds that people find please call us
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at this episode is gonna go
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is this how it's going to start it is
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August we just recorded a show two days
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ago and we're recording again due to
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this time is my vacation schedule for
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nothing really has happened I mean if
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some some things have happened like in
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the world but nothing really has
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happened in tech with the exception that
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we have some Twitter update that's kind
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of interesting but other than that what
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else is going on
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can we can we dig a little deeper in
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this vacation thing you speak up how do
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you know whether or not you're on
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vacation just whether or not you wake up
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in your own bed
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oh wow yeah that is how this episode is
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gonna be yeah yeah yeah so let me
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rephrase by saying i'll be out of town
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dogs they're so yes i'll be out of town
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next week
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are you taking adam with you because
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that's how you can tell right actually
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that's true and the whole family is
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going including
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perhaps oh it hops interest and hops
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yeah I already said he willing to share
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where you're going would you rather keep
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that close to the best we're going to
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the beach for you know just like what
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everyone else does it and we figure it's
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not hot enough here we need to go
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somewhere a little bit hotter can tell
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you all about hot these days
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actually today wasn't terrible is only
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about 90 95 and I don't know what that
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is in Celsius because I believe in units
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to make sense anyway we should probably
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start with some follow-up now that I've
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given everyone at least a little bit of
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grief market just dropped into second
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ago twitter has enabled the quality
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filter for everyone and as far as we can
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tell it's the same quality filter that
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verified users get but I I don't think
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mark when i noticed this but we have
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just confirmed it i think john is the
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one that noticed this it is on by
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default which is super interesting and
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not the case for verified users so
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verified users who have not turn this on
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they wouldn't have this on in and Marco
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looked at the overcast account which is
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verified and in your quality filter is
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not on is that correct yeah basically
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like if if you if you have the setting
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before it will keep your setting even if
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you never touched it so it's not like
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it's like a triple state like you know
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10 or no kind of thing where like no
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would just be the default it's not that
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it's actually like if you had before and
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you didn't set it you have it off now
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and it doesn't matter anyway so this is
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great news because this is exactly what
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we were complaining about last episode
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and last we talked about this also why
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wouldn't you have this available for
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everybody and last episode I even said
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like you know I'd even go as far as to
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say that this should be on by default
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and when I was saying that I had no hope
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that they would actually ever to this
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both making the film making the feature
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available for everybody and also making
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it on by default either of those things
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would have shocked me to have them both
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happen and from 2 to both happened very
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quickly
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it's a pretty major step and first of
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all it's a little bit of a slap in the
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face that like apparently there was no
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reason really why they couldn't have
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done for everybody already like before
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this but ok when it lets you know set
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that aside for now we have it now so you
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know positive thoughts we have it now
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this is very good this is way better
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than I expected
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this is a sign that maybe maybe twitter
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is starting to take
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their abuse problems and they're
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trolling problems and they're just
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general jerkiness problems maybe they're
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starting to take that a little more
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seriously and you know honestly maybe
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not this could be just like an easy
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quick fix they just threw out there
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because they had it ready but even doing
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this is a big step and if it bodes well
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for for future steps in this direction
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additional steps in this direction
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that's good too so I i'm hopeful about
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I'm kind of a little bit reserved in
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that but I'm hopeful that Twitter is
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starting to really care about this
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problem and then take steps to to
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improve their service for everybody and
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not just celebrities
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yep John your thoughts now the verified
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thing is still out there like the idea
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that if you have an account that
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frequently people are impersonating you
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and and stirring things up by tweeting
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things to pretend to be you that people
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then retweeted screenshot and thank you
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said and come back you know like the
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whole the idea of verifying yes this is
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the i am really the person with this
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name and this you know picture and
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there's all these attributes that should
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still be open even though the quality
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filter is open to everybody so is there
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still a ways to go with that and like
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the quality filter it's the type of
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thing where they totally could like it
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already featured exists in some ways
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it's easier to enable for everybody's in
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some ways it's harder because there is
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that human component of verifying your
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identity or whatever and as we said in
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the past you'll find charge money for it
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or something like that but it
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verification continues to be the
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appstore of twitter where rejections
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don't make any sense and no one can
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figure it out and it's all mysterious
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like what we recently the ATP FM account
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got rejected for verification
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I saw a couple other puzzling rejections
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Butler and people other people are
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getting verified so no one knows how it
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works anyway that's that's the next
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stepping stone in easy things Twitter
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could have done a long time ago but
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yeah and also you know to give them
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credit also you know the the whole
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verified status is problematic as we
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discussed before and you know one of my
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core arguments about verified being a
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problem was you know it was it was more
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okay when it was only about identity
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verification and it's it starts becoming
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increasingly problematic as features or
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status are tied to it and so what
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they've done
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here is they just removed a major
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feature that was exclusive to verify
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people before and they made available
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for everybody so it has it has taken a
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big chunk out of the out of the problem
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the problems are still there
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there are still lots of other problems
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with verifies that is being what it is
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and bring what it does and having this
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weird inconsistent you know subjective
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review process but removing a major
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feature of it as an exclusive and making
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it available to everybody is a big step
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in the right direction the sounds
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excellent
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John you are poorer in the last few days
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then you were the few days prior would
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you like to tell us about that
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yeah i finally bought a camera I don't
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hate you
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discussions about that shows no big
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surprise about the camera that we have
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been talking about the camera that i
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tested for a week
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the camera was pretty much a no-brainer
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for me you know because like it i I'd
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and as many people as soon as i
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mentioned cameras all the camera people
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wrote and tell me all the different
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cameras they like it was good to hear
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different people stories about what they
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liked about their camera some people
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trying to sell me a micro four-thirds
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some people trying to sell me on the
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aps-c Fugees and you know the
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availability of lenses and how cheap
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they are and how good quality they are
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in this is a lots of different arguments
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on on all sides but the you know the
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sony is the is the devil I know sort of
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and it has several attributes that area
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like specifically in terms of first
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photos for action shots and how good it
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is at finding focus very quickly we
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should point out once again you have
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again failed to mention the model number
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it is the sony a6300 hundred right i
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mentioned that before
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yeah x3 lot of this episode I was
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sitting here waiting to get into the
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shadows waiting and waiting and waiting
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and waiting
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you already know right yeah and the
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small size because a lot of the other
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aps-c cameras like oh it's also an aps-c
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but the Saudis are really very small on
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and that that accounts for everyone uses
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not quite ready to sign up for the big
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giant camera sony lenses are the
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situation is not as great as other
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cameras i acknowledge that was my most
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difficult part i knew i was going to get
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the body i got the body without any
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lenses i know i didn't want the kit lens
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because i had it and it's not great
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that's I decide what I was going to get
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the easiest and the first lens purchase
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I'd i got was the 50 millimeter 1.8 that
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Sony cells because i had rented that i
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used it i used to take pictures of
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people's face people's faces indoors
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with low light and i got
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a lot of good pictures out of it and i
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really liked it and yes many good point
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out 15 years is a little bit close yet
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don't get a backup a lot to get people
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from the right way an indoor environment
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but that's somewhat problematic but the
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thing is a tutu barks this one the sony
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35 any other 35 so I saw were all not as
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good lenses as the 50 in terms of
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optical quality and you know if it has
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stabilization all these other things the
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50 was the you know they were not as
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good lenses and they cost similar amount
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so you can expect $350 for worse
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35-millimeter I'd rather spend fifty
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dollars on a better 50 and the second
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part is I like to create candid shots
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and like posed shots that much and
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having a little bit of extra zooms even
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indoors lets you get a nice good head
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and shoulders portrait of someone you
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know laughing in a natural way when they
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don't know you're taking a picture if
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you're not right in their face so I like
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the 50 even if it is slightly
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custom assign it to a button and I
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keep that held down it will track that
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everyone in your family like their face
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remembers them and with you all three of
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think about in terms of taking pictures
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picture of your kid on York City Street
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it won't accidentally grabbed focus on a
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software-based features that are all
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batteries and sorry I really do I really
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education now and if we like it we'll
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probably buy it but no zooms out there
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expensive like that uh that 17 to
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whatever it is 17 270 thing that's not a
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great lens but it's very compact very
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versatile and then maybe something with
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like a 300 millimeter range that's just
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actually a crappy camera but it gives
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the maximum range on it
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off-camera crap for a while so it's all
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that's anyone askin I taking pictures of
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playing pokemon go against what they do
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walks and capture Pokemon and taking
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of fun i'm happy with it like i said in
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20-millimeter pancake I i wish that lens
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hundred and fifty bucks and its really
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good quality lens and it's incredibly
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small and the effect that a very small
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light lens has on the way your camera
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camera that then and you don't have any
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really small like pancake or
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pancake-like lenses just get one and try
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it because you will bring your camera
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more places you'll be amazed how how
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much of a difference it makes if you
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have a cannon
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pancake have been paying that much
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attention i think there's that there's a
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a wider angle one like somewhere in the
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twenties but there's the 40 millimeter
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pancake it's fantastic and whatever pain
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five years or so so whatever system you
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wide focal length and use it and you'll
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camera and with it and in fact for that
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reason my camera like I have I have the
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fe line and i almost always have a
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35-millimeter 2.8 on there because it is
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just so small it is not a pancake lens
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small and just did the difference that
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definitely get a pancake lens if you can
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kind of surprised you picked this camera
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based on our discussions because for
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what for what you wanted which is like
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you basically wanted superzoom
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replacement and this isn't that you know
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other brands that have that has two
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good and all of our listeners wrote in
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especially micro four-thirds was very
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good for zoom lenses because of the
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smaller sensors and therefore having had
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less complex lenses for big zoom reach
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systems have these different pluses and
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be a little cheaper a lot a lot more
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lens choices it's been around for so
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the lenses for it
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advances in Maryland but its overall
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it's only really especially excels in
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having really amazing sensors getting
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lots of megapixels with very low noise
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to capture sony just kicks butt in that
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area and where Sony is fall short is
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some of the kind of pro eat type
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handling stuff and also lends zoom
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lenses in particular like Sony the the
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primes that are available for sony
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generally amazing they're a little
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expensive but they're generally amazing
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zooms are have always been so knees weak
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point that the sony lineup has
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extremely high end ones that are huge
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heavy and very expensive and in the new
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sony g master line but basically
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hit or miss mostly miss so I'm a little
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considering all this like better camera
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super Zoomers getting kind of old maybe
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the super Zoomers they're out there and
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camera like they were better in many
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zoom wasn't as big or like the rx10 like
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that is it is huge and they didn't I was
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interchangeable lens camera just seemed
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real convencer and you know the reason
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most pictures like I take pictures you
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thousands of pictures right that is the
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most pictures that take all year in the
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the other camera and even with these
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things zoomed out I was happier with the
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zoomed out pictures from this camera
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that i could crop with the crappy zoom
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lens that I rented like I didn't rent a
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very expensive zoom lens like a
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four-hundred-dollar zoom lens or
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something
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end of the range on it was you know half
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to a third of what it is on the super
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zoom and still this came out ahead and
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as I said the reason i get expensive
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cameras once you take pictures indoors
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without a flash with a decent camera
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like you can't go back to the other way
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that's why don't like to hold marcos
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cameras it's depressing you know you
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don't want to think about it like that's
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why you want to market for thirds like
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the whole reason i'm spending money is
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I want a bigger sensor that can get more
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light and yes that means the lenses are
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going to be more expensive and i could
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get better zoom lens the micro
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four-thirds like this is what I want I
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want I want a big sensor i want pictures
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that I couldn't take with any other
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camera can't take my phone can take my
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super them because there's just not
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enough light and this is what that gives
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me and can i use it for all my xoom
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things for that one week here when I
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need zoom the answer is apparently yes
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like it's it's a different set of
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compromises but I do take pictures
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indoors and other things when i'm on
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vacation and I get the proof is in the
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pudding had both cameras there are used
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by the last trip to the ocean was like
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I'm not even taking that one out of the
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bag i'm just gonna use this one for
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everything just because everything was
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so much better about it except for the
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zoom so and also I keep that I keep my
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eye out for super letters I don't rule
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out like later if they make if panasonic
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resemble makes another camera like mine
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that is just updated in all the ways but
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maybe even a little bit more compact and
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maybe optically a little bit better over
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the same range i'll probably buy it
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because those are cheap they're like you
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know six or seven hundred dollars
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compared to you know these
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interchangeable lens cameras are having
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some billion dollar so i'm pretty happy
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with that
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yeah i mean you'll pay that much for a
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good zoom lens at least on the 100
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camera you have way more than that i'm
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very happy zoom lens with a short-range
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a thousand bucks yes i think so its it's
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rough like I you know but and I'm just
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thinking about like day-to-day I think
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this will make me take more pictures
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just normal stuff like my family you
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know around the house and going out and
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taking walks and stuff because i'm not
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going to attach pics and we'll probably
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just had a little pancake on there but
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it's nice and we go out like after
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school and after dinner was kind of dust
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gets its dark but i can actually get
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usable pictures you know of my family
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walking on the street lights with this
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camera without a flash and that just
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wasn't it was an environment where i
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would take any pictures before I
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wouldn't try my phone and I wouldn't
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bring my superzoom because the Superdome
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is actually it's not heavier than this
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but physically dimension wise it's
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bigger than his camera with the pancake
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lens on right so I feel like this is a
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good compromise for me now and i'm sure
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i'll learn a lot using it and then you
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know we'll see where we go from here
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I think these days so many photographic
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needs are solved so well by just your
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iphone and that and the progress that
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that iphone cameras have made has been
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so remarkable but
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the areas that they will never be able
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to match a standalone cameras are in our
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areas where you just need a large
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advance and expensive sensor you know
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that like iphones have a lot of
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constraints on that camera obviously
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size is the most obvious but also cost
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is a big one that camera module the
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entire camera module has to costs like
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thirty bucks and i forgot the component
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breakdowns show it as but it's somewhere
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in that range like the eighth
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it's not a ton of money that goes into
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that and so so you have no space you
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have very little money and you have to
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mass produce a ton of them
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that's always going to be more limited
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than what you can sell in a dedicated
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high-end camera four thousand dollars
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like that's it and that can have this
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big body around this big sensor that's
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way bigger than the phone center of this
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giant lens taking off the front of it
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relative giant relative to the phone
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sensors and phones are going to always
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be able to have liked more advanced
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processing and software and tricks they
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can do with the software to make up for
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some of these some of these shortcomings
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that they have been in there just tiny
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little cheap optics
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however i think one area where they are
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always going to struggle against big
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cameras is in low-light sensitivity and
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and dynamic range little bit too but
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especially light sensitivity is because
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that is something where the physics are
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just working so much against them and
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that's probably never going to change
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because phones are never going to become
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these you know two-inch-thick things
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that have that have this thousand-dollar
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sensor and a amazing glass in front of
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them like the market but that's just not
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where they're going
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so so I i think if you're going to buy a
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camera that is not just your phone it
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benefits you a lot to do to get one that
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is exceptionally good in low-light just
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to really maximize like the difference
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separate camera at all well and again
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you can never say never because I always
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picture like a phone that's like this
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you know magical thin thing where the
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entire back of the phone is basically
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one giant sensor plus this amazing
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computing power to somehow combine all
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white hitting that sensor without a lens
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in front of it to figure you know I mean
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like like gathering the task will be I
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will gather all the light for you and
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then magic computers will figure out all
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the light hitting it like maybe this
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thing that can tell what angle they have
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the sensor and instead of just
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levels of light like you do have enough
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surface area basically for to imagine a
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future from using an as-yet undetermined
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technology where you would gather all
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the light hitting the back of phone
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that's plenty to have amazing the
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light-dark rebut that technology's no no
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we're on the horizon but I just you know
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like it's not
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we won't always be stuck with pinholes
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this is what I'm saying so in the
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distant future that could be solved but
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for our lifetime i think probably
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my reasons do you guys have any reason
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before it before i jump in too big to
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that's a good one I mean I'm serious I'm
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that was a small factor but more i knew
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i was already going to have something
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bigger than I really wanted that I had
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to carry and if i'm going to do that I
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possible and like John and talked about
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back and forth about it and in fact I
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asking what about this what about this
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what about this what about that and and
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eventually ended up on four thirds just
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because I didn't want to carry it if you
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giving you know we've known for years of
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even just tangentially you know not
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really in the camera community but just
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like touching on it because I was like
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read things in dpreview and I think
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that's how I figured out which
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supersedes again everything you just see
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which way the wind is blowing in the
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wind was blowing away from dslrs for
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regular people and I had a 5d mark two
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brother's wedding that I used to take
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pictures so I know how big they are no
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heavy they are I know how did the little
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mirror flappy thing and all the other
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business like it just it just seems like
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it's kind of like market with the BMW vs
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Tesla the mirrorless one seems like oh
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this is clearly the future and even
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though because the market has been for
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so long that the DSLR the high-end i'm
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not sure that will always entirely hold
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that went through a lot of our like
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high-end hobby and of course all our
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family stuff until about a year ago when
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the reasons i upgraded finally I mean
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first of all a camera that run that that
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isn't common use from 2008 until 2015
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pretty good at that
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that's a pretty great run and that kind
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of shows like the one of the reasons
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able to go that long and it's still
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agree camera just you know it's falling
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behind on a lot of the tech areas now
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but when you get a really high-end
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full-frame profession
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no grade camera at last similarly no
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similar jobs mac pro which is the same
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age actually happen but anyway the thing
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with this large though is you know yet
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they are really like you you can't just
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casually throw a full-frame SLR into
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your bag like that youth you gotta
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really decide to take that with you it
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you know they're they're big way let the
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lenses are baby away a lot i didn't I
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wasn't that convinced that the size
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difference of matter that much until I
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lived with the sony for a little while
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and then I picked up tips camera to do
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something with 1 i'm like oh my god like
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if I was picking up an aircraft carrier
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like what is this thing like what how do
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I possibly use this for that was fucking
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and but that being said though there are
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still differences and mainly while the
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while the mirrorless cameras have all
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the action going with a lot of the tech
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advances these days and in particular
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lot of the lens advancements these days
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I would still hesitate to call them
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professional cameras because you know
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pro it obviously it's very loaded word a
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lot of markets and it is mostly used for
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marketing in most places and it and it
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goes both ways you know companies put
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pro on put the name pro on things that
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aren't necessarily quote professional
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grade and a lot of people who are
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professionals by progear aspirationally
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and so it it because it there's a lot of
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like vagary and what that means
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however when you're when you're shooting
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things with a pro camera you need
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certain attributes that I don't think
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any of the Maryland vendors offer
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certainly sony doesn't offer first of
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all you need a battery to not be as much
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of a problem as it is i mean like that's
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number one with the sonys is they are
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awesome in so many ways but the battery
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life is terrible and with and part of
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that is because you have to drive this
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LCD screen in the viewfinder and in the
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in the back display so often you know
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and and slrs get away with only having
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the the back review screen and having
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optical viewfinder so you don't really
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know you're seeing the lens you're not
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letting up screen for all that looking
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time I think I recall seeing like a
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battery case for your phone or
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somebody's whenever you see those things
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through the cameramen yeah like it's
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just a big big
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I'm battery yeah I mean there's battery
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grips and and they they basically like
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they like shove this protrusion into the
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battery port had this big basin the
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camera they usually holds two or three
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batteries and that's you know that
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that's something it obviously makes this
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camera a lot larger and heavier and that
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produces a lot of the advantages that
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has super hits floor but also you know
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SLR just larger in general so SLR
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batteries can be physically larger they
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can have way more capacity and on top of
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all that they're you know they're what
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they're doing less because they aren't
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letting up to screen all the time so
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hold on know how often are you charging
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your sony though because my micro
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four-thirds i charge one some month in
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and even when i was at the beach
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snapping a ton of pictures it I i might
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have used maybe fifty percent of the
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battery and it has you know to lcds just
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like you're describing Lee are you
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charging your sony like everyday when
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you're on vacation or when you're taking
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a lot of pictures you have to god that's
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terrible
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well I'll see it like i was i was
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worried about the the battery life
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because I'm dpreview they always give
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like number of shots for your battery
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capacity and my panasonic is actually
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pretty good i forget what they had a
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rated as like 400 something or 500
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something but I think like oh I take a
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lot of pictures like I would always
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bring a spare better i always bring the
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spare battery to the beach with me with
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my panasonic I never needed to use I
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think maybe one year because i forgot
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the charger at night the night before I
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needed to use it right for the sony its
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number was lower on dpreview like it was
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it's like it wasn't that bad but it was
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lower and I was like I look at the
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physical size of the battery like really
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this looks so small because the battery
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is physically smaller than my panasonic
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battery so i felt like all this is a bad
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so i have two batteries with me and I
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always you know charge every night and
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put the freshman and put the other one
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there like I was all ready to go every
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time I went to the beach I had two
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batteries always lasted all day i don't
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think i got below like I maybe I went
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below fifty percent sometimes but I was
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pleasantly surprised about the battery
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life but forget about more than one day
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if you're actively shooting a lot of
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pictures the end of the day you're gonna
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have to charge a thing and I don't mind
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like that's all I wanted like can't do
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most demanding day fine like it marcos
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right that is not if you're like doing a
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sporting event taking a bazillion
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pictures would probably just burn
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through the back clean you have to be
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swapping the batteries but for my use
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having two batteries and having knowing
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that one can basically last almost
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anything that I've done
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and you know I don't mind carrying
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another little batteries was not big
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they're not heavy enough battery runs
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out and swap it and it's not a big deal
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so I would like it to be better as with
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many things and it's like there's more
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room in there maybe for battery but it
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wasn't as as bad as I thought it would
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be but it's definitely not like your
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micro four thirds for your press charges
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once a month forget about that
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no i mean because the estonian generally
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better life is a little bit worse and
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mine is worse than yours
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I'm pretty sure because the full frame
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has the even more stuff to do
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electronically inside the images or even
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larger process all you know all the
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stuff my battery life is probably among
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the worst in the in the camera industry
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right now
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do you have the same batteries maybe
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that's what i was thinking you actually
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have the same model of that like it's
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like that whatever NP whatever whatever
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50 yeah that the same battery i have so
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that so that's why you're better lives
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and works because your camera is is a
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bigger sensor bigger screen like
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everything about it is going to use more
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battery than mine does and you have the
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same actual physical battery and that's
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no good
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so better life is one of the things that
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differentiates pro program again but
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another one just like just handling
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durability speed support your
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professional doesn't always mean that it
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has the best features or the fastest
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whatever the fastest hardware or the
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highest and hardware the highest specs
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that is not what professional means that
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often it you know results in that but
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not always professional means that you
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can use it to get your job done and it's
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not going to fail on you
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so that's why you know if you look at
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you know topic that we are near and dear
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to toasters it now
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oh god all of the toasters that John has
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tested and love so much well with
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varying degrees of love so much if you
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actually tried to use one of those
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toasters in a bagel shop where they need
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a toaster a lot like this is like a
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commercial duty role if you used any of
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those sisters even like the nice like
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three hundred dollar ones they would
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burn out and die in like two months at
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because they're not made the they aren't
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made for a heavy workload they are you
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know they would overheat or they would
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have problems like they're not made for
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that and if you look at like a toaster
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that's in like a bagel shop you have one
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of the belt-drive toasters there's like
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a thousand dollars and you look at your
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like that's stupid
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this toaster i can get at at macy's or
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whatever is like 40
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bucks and has way more features in that
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but that for your thing will die shortly
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and you can't do like almost at the same
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time with it and everything else and
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that thousand-dollar really basic belt
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drive one at the bagel shop is going to
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work for a long time
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progear is you know this is a metaphor
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for most truly professional gear and if
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you look at what what the mid-range and
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high-end SLR like you know and i'm
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really talking about like canon and
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nikon here I don't think anybody's
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really in this game anymore
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canon nikon and I think kanan's quite a
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bit of it
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these are like machines that are
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designed to do work and never fail on
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you as much as I love my sony camera I
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would be surprised if it still works
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perfectly
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eight years from now whereas the cannon
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because if that's a program camera the
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sony is a really high-end feature and
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spec camera but it does not handle like
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a professional camera doesn't feel like
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a professional camera it doesn't feel
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like it has the longevity and and the
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ruggedness and I think generally
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speaking I think people's experiences
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online has backed up where you'll hear
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really pro pro photographer who took a
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sony a7 series camera like to Antarctica
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and it failed or something like that
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like and you can do that with other
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campers because they're made for like
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hard use extreme conditions they're
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always ready they're like you know I
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mean you know within reason of course
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but like you know they're they're
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generally just more rugged and they
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heavier to get you all that stuff but
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you know that's all there they have dual
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card slots because it that way you can
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fails or whatever else there are so many
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of Florence's there and if they break
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there's generally better service
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usually
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of shoddy service for like four Pro kind
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of use all these arrows cameras like
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they really don't handle like pro
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cameras they they don't have the the
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strength and ruggedness and durability
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of pro cameras and they don't have
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really liked the design work load of pro
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cameras and that one that won't change
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so i think and i honestly I there when i
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do handle an SLR these days there are
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parts of it i do miss I miss how
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incredibly respond
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answer they are i miss Howe just how
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fast can snap shots and had no problem
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at all and see everything that i do miss
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a tropical viewfinder sometimes there
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are certain things that as amusing that
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i missed my sony music on this thing's
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like focus peaking which I don't think
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you can do it all in an SLR and because
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the way this is designed things you know
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that there's all sorts of things that
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you that you can use the luxuries with
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with mirrorless cameras that you can but
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you really can't do with all ours but if
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i was going out like shooting an event
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again like I used to do with Tiffany I
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was when I was her second shooter i
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would pick an SLR still and probably for
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the foreseeable future because they were
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for actual pro use where every shot
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matters
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you can't have any delays you can have
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anything fail you can't worry about the
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battery I mean when we were shooting
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with those with the 5 d's you know
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Tiffany shot a bunch of weddings
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together cuz shes wedding photographer
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and we were together and I can't I think
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maybe I worry about the battery level
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once in all that time you used we felt
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the car before before the batteries run
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out and you just never had to think
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about the batteries it was so big with
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the stony and thinking about the battery
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almost every time like almost everyday
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issues with the sony I have to watch the
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battery level and then it goes down like
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twenty percent i got to be at my pocket
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you know it's it's not a professional
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piece of equipment it produces very
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incredible photos but it is not
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programmed SL ours not all the mark but
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many SLR Tsar pro-quality year and that
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difference I think will always be there
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just because of the the market realities
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and physical reality is that these two
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markets there you go with the always
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again you know I made and I'm going to
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jump on that gonna affect the wind is
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blowing like it reminds me kind of the
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not quite the same as now she's not
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perfect but it's a think it's a similar
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situation that can put you in the right
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mindset to understand how this is gonna
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go when professionals all use some
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cameras please digital cameras were crap
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we all remember that time our old house
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to remember that we're of course you
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digital cameras are fine they're
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interesting toy but it's ridiculous you
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will never compare to 35 millimeter film
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film professionals all the special
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cameras canon and nikon they're all DSLR
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not be also they will slrs without the d
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in the front of them because they you
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know their professional camera for all
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the reasons you stated and they were in
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digital because everybody knows that
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digital may have some weird advantages
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but you can't take these pictures within
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that slowly really really slowly changed
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and there was a time when no
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professional photographer use digital
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and now almost all of them do unless
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they're real artsy fartsy it just so
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happens they stayed in the same form
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factor the DSLR at that point and
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there's a lot of uh you know not baggage
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about history there it's instinct you
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know even if it was universally better
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it would take a long time as people have
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tons of lenses and they're used to the
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cameras they like as established people
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for you know know how to fix them and
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their kind of familiar with the machines
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in the way they work but there are still
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advantages to Marilyn terms of like
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continuous autofocus of a moving target
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that you could you never do manual
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focusing in that DSLR is not fast enough
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to catch for very very fast motion for
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things like sports photography and of
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course all the size advantages and other
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things i'm not saying it's inevitable
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but I feel like the main thing keeping
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dslrs dominant now is because Manuel
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like the inertia that manufacturers are
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making use no reason you couldn't make a
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professional mirrorless camera just
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happens no one is doing that because the
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market is in dslrs and they're really
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good and the adventures haven't shipped
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overnight but I feel like this is a slow
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migration that gradually over time like
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Sony's kind of doing it first you have
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the mirrorless cameras like oh this is a
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great way for consumers to get a camera
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that has a little bit bigger sensor but
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you know that we know consumers don't
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want to buy an SLR just a really big so
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this is a great advantage for them and
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sunny was like you know we we can make
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even better camera like that maybe we
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can make a full-frame one and maybe we
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can make good enough that professionals
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might notice and all the things Marco
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said about them not being suitable for
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the job are still true but did you know
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they're creeping up on that no one
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knowing it before the a7 and your camera
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it was that wasn't a thing that even
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existed and now you know something's
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probably the wrong company to do it like
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it all it's gonna take is for you know
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five years from now whatever for Nikon
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and Canon to make their first
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professional mirrorless camera and
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that's just like then you've passed a
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tipping point is just a matter of time
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then before they also watch over because
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i think the advantages are important
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enough that eventually people will make
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professional mirrorless cameras even if
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they're not doing that today
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that's a fair point i mean i-i guess i
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should clarify that you know it i don't
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i don't believe it's impossible to make
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a pro grade / handling mirrorless camera
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there's nothing about the
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airless component layout that prevents
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programmers from being made that i know
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of days aren't made and I and even even
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the very expensive ones like like the
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seminar to our professional in quality
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but not professional and handling and
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responsiveness and work and ruggedness
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and everything so that being said
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sony is rumored to be working on
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something that the recycling a9 that is
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allegedly a pro like mirrorless with the
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a7 series sensors so that could be
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really interesting if that's real and if
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it's if it actually is pro handling and
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all this being said if i were to look at
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an SLR again today I would probably end
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up looking at nikon honestly not canon
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because canon has just not been keeping
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up at all with Sony in dynamic range and
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high iso noise performance and nikon use
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Sony sensors and so like the nikon d750
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is an incredible camera it's not even
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that new anymore it's incredible camera
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that has a beautiful sony sensor that's
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very similar to the a7r one sensor i
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believe and yes I would almost certainly
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go a nikon if i was going to sell art
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should drive your Tesla over here and
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pick me up I'll services but Sarah
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success on something you just go up to
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oh my god is that an old man crazy III
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sky the pokey man's and so anyway so
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it's so TIFF wanted to play inside and
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that is not available on OS 10
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playstation 4 is that fair
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it's coming out of the playstation 4
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soonish yeah that's right now maybe it
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will maybe we'll be out by the time
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markets bootcamp it way and and then
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because it's not available on on OS 10
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and you guys only have a playstation 4 u
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install windows and we will play it
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there is that a reasonable summary but
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yeah basically left off all the hemming
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around anyway they but the end of that
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shows like okay and
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under the boot camp thing and so now
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we're picking up at that point where the
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decision has been made to the boot camp
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and steam and windows is the way to do
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it and then it was complaining about it
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yelling at me somehow somehow this is my
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fault on Twitter boot camp isn't working
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out so I i assume is all Marcus faults
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we can tell us what's going on there are
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hi to why is it houses my fault let me
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just explain once again once again tip i
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decided to do bootcamp for this game the
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day I decided to do it i spent some time
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walking around and seeing how much
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windows 10 cost before eventually
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decided to go with the copy windows
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seven that I had I wiped my bootcamp
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partition made a new one installed
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windows seven install steam and played
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all of inside everything i just
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described took place in one day that's
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all I'm saying
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oh haha wait can you guys hold on a
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second i do that for me real quick
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I just want to play a three-hour game i
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just want to buy it it's a three-hour
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game it's this is the gilligan's island
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of games here you go on a three-hour
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tour and you end up there for your whole
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freakin life because you're dealing with
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Windows nightmares
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what's going wrong here how house is not
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happening this has been like days week
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it's been a long time it's been been a
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long time not even counting the whole
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time about waffling what you should do
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and then even after the decision has
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been made that we're going to bootcamp
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and still I i assume you have not played
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this game
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oh because this whole bootcamping was
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pitched to us as Oh it'll be no problem
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it's just boot camp you just put it on
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the distal you have your little
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partition and you just plug it in at
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least three easy you just do it so easy
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i did this like I just not speculation
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like it should be easy I i actually did
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if you actually wrote out the steps it
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would take to how it's done
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only one person with the initial Marco
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idea of let's just throw some money at
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the problem by an xbox because we should
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have done that because in this variation
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I i'm almost about to break
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I i I'm gonna kick all the computers in
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like in their faces like I'm so angry
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wow we do alright so here's here's what
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has happened so the other night so you
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know we have a child
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he is young we haven't had a ton of time
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to devote to this problem so you know a
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few weeks ago whenever whenever we talk
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about our first I had created this this
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bootcamp completed this bootcamp
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installation of Windows 10 using a real
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windows 10 product key thanks to a
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listener who who graciously sent me one
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actually well I hadn't entered it yet
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but we'll get to that was tonight's
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problem thanks thanks windows for your
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tattoo of a warning signs all over
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everything you do if you don't ha whoo
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thank you going right so anyway anyway
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so i installed Windows 10 choosing the
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like remind me later option on the
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product key screen because why wouldn't
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you like that and then and then I saw
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your light on the this external samsung
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SSD so that we could plug it into any
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computer we wanted to because sometimes
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I might want to play a game
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sometimes I might be my laptop sometime
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tips desktop so we I set it all up on my
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laptop and figuring that I could just
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plug it into tips imac to play the game
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when she was ready because her imac was
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she was working and using it and I
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didn't want to disturb during setup so i
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set the whole thing up as a bootable
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bootcamp drive on this SSD from my
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laptop and my macbook pro and I got the
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message of ohdon't worry whenever you're
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ready to play this game i got it all
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setup we just need to plug in I could
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bring it here i could bring it there i
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could put done this like to put it on
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that you're gonna be ready to go you
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just let me know
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that's exactly how I sounded am I feel
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like you're still yelling at me about
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that you realize this is your husband
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I'm not me I i live over here in this
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uh yeah I know where that house is John
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i know but i didn't know as i think--not
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blamed his whatsoever you should be
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angry at Marco previous destinations in
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my gps and I can find you
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that's it that's all it takes is bring
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the computer with you and how you said
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helping just driving over to Tim now
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wait whose house John's house yet drive
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over to john's yeah yeah so anyway so I
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i plug the plug the drive into this
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computer so we know she has like this
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one night set out which is a couple days
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ago his one-night stay at this this is
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the day that she's able to play this
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game finally so put your kid to bed i
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start shutting down your computer and
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rebooting the bootcamp drive
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and of course since the bootcamp
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installation was something like two
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weeks old
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it had a software update the software
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updates ok update updates
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yeah a just a software update i think we
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need to fix that
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yeah had multiple software updates
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didn't you use windows for like years
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and years before use the mac like these
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are the rookie mistakes that I don't
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even know what the only reason this room
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and even i know the day you decide to
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play your windows game is not the day to
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find out you have windows updates like
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there's always a prep day where you
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install the windows updates and make
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sure everything is set to go every day
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you find out everyday is a Windows
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Update day every day but doesn't like it
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you can you can defer them anyway you
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have left the prep day out of that three
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hour total of this took you then know
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that that day that I did it I did all
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the updates because i was a full day but
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yeah I did I did them the hemming and
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hawing about doing it I did the research
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i did the creation of the partition and
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the installation i did the endless
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windows updates and then after that are
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played the game because it's three hours
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alright so anyway so you know we we boot
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up we go to the software updates every
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few times that boots
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it gives the the non-system disk error
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on boot for some reason with that old
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with da serra put instagram like yeah so
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windows is windows it's a total pile of
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garbage as it always has been
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because i haven't used windows since XP
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of course took me a long time to find
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certain settings and handling things
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like how do i change the resolution
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things like that anyway so that when i
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first installed i thought you know just
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in case because I because it creates
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installation on a macbook pro but I'm
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running it now in a5k imac just in case
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let me update that could be one when we
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first launched the game on the fact that
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make the frame rate was terrible so I
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was like all right maybe I need to
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update video driver because digs it
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didn't install the one for the imac
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maybe only install the one for the
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macbook pro even though it's like one
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package of support files for all
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hardware supposedly ok
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reinstall the tools you know get try to
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fix the stupid framerate issue
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finally we get it we get it going and we
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get the game going and i eventually
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figure out the resolution have to reboot
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they're all stupid update so we're
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already
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two hours in now he has a call this
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stupid updating and rebooting and we
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only have so much time right because we
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have a child who goes to sleep and once
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he goes to sleep we only have so much
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time to play the game before we're
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exhausted and we can't stay up anymore
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so we had was a limited window
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whoo oh so yeah so if this is terrible
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like rebooting cycle and drivers and all
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this BS eventually we get the game
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finally to run and then it's like wait
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there's no mass support we gotta plug in
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a controller controller options and how
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we do that and we look to try to use the
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keyboard just yeah well we eventually
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came that first first we don't have any
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gamepads 4pcs was like but we have a ps3
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controller of the ps4 controller we have
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an xbox 360 controller everything you
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just plug these in they'll just start
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working so we tried a few of those of
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course none of them actually worked even
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the xbox xbox 360 georgian closest that
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we actually showed up in whatever than
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the current name is for device manager
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however it didn't the game didn't
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recognize it for whatever reason like
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the just couldn't find things to it so
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oh well then oh nevermind so eventually
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i refine keyboard with you picked the
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keyboard then it finally starts playing
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a game okay finally it's like you know
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what is probably ten o'clock just
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fucking think we can finally start
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playing this game so I leave the room
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because i know i didn't want to disturb
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her with light from my computer because
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these people so freaking reflective
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she's playing a game a nice dark office
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I leave the office called me back in
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like four minutes later the game broke
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what I come in and it just like it had
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quit to the static like it had minimize
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itself to the status bar as if you'd
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what used to happen if it still happens
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windows gaming but we used to happen if
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you actually hit the Windows key + or
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invoked alt-tab in any other way so I so
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I got accused of did you did you put
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your finger on the button and I'm like
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no I cannot linger on a button i would
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also like Anton my heart smart i just
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want to rule that out because you know
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it's it's right on the board next all
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the buttons anyway then this happened
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have a great but it happens to the best
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of us every pc gamer actually hit the
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Windows key sometimes it always happens
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anyway so that's of course I see the
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game like minimize the taskbar and of
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course once the game
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to minimize the taskbar you can't get it
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to resume like that that's it it's over
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you have to like force quit you can
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still hear it you can still move the
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character around you can't like there's
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no way you can get a back full screen
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again because windows game apparently
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has an advanced is a problem in 1999 and
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the cursor disappears the cursor totally
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disappears you can even do anything
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because the game captures the mouse
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cursor still is it seemed like alt-tab
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to nothing else to get the cursor bag
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it's it's like I I'm shocked that
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Windows has not fix these problems in
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the like 16 years since i first started
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seeing like how really how they not fix
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anyway they haven't because windows is
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terrible
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so anyway we eventually like you know I
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i get back in the game where we tried
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rebooting we tried installing other
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videos are overlooking the internet for
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solutions of course the internet is full
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of garbage so expensive i leave United
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tries again and we start getting this
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balloon that comes up that the video
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driver has stopped responding but it has
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recovered so first of all who the hell
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writes these messages like that Wyatt
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why does a user needs to know like what
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what is a regular person I mean we are
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experts sort of non-windows our gaming
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but like we're computer experts and I
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know what all those words mean and i
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still can't tell you what the hell is
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supposed to do about that
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maybe it's the ram backmarker don't even
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understand don't ya don't even
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understand market the you think those
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are messages are bad imagine just a hex
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code that's all you get is a hex code
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hectic and then just go scouring the
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internet hoping that somebody has hit
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this before and has a fix
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do you remember what I told the story in
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the pockets because i remember to
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remember i had to do to get my video you
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know basically to get my video drivers
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to remember that no because I had took a
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few runs out where is all the bootcamp
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drivers but i reinstall windows then
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install the bootcamp drivers but every
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time I saw the bootcamp drivers had made
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my system unbootable like you would boot
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back up and recognize you want to try to
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repair and would try to repair and it
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would never succeed and be like oh well
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alright so what I had to do was install
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the drivers then do apples little boot
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camp driver installation but stop it as
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soon as sound works because it makes a
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sound when installed the driver and i
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had to forcibly kill the driver in
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isolation and then install like that
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because i had three things I had that
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windows itself i had the ati drivers for
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the radeon drivers like third-party
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drivers from the radeon site for
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bootcamp specifically AMD says these are
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the ones used for bootcamp for this
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video card right and then I had the
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Apple drivers and the combination of
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three of them as I had to do them in a
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certain order and I had to kill the
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apple one as soon as sound worked and
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that is a setup that work for a bit but
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that was like an hour's worth of seng
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there so it's never easy and I think
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it's easy but I figured it was because
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my computer is ancient and like it would
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be easier on our computer I feel like
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when people go through all of these
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steps to to do something simple and they
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they recount all the steps in the
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craziness and it took me a day and I did
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this and then I did this and then I got
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into work and now it works it's fine i
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feel like it's like a metal layer i got
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a badge of honor right that everyone's
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wearing now that almost nothing but look
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at me things that I did to get my think
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my mind my simple task to do to play a
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game just a game the game it is well let
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me remind everyone said though let me
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remind everyone i was making a fairly
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lucrative living in windows and did
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everything in my power to leave that
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maybe maybe that was for a reason may be
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that reason might be windows this just
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reminds you of why why we all have max
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like this is this is the reason why is
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it that the trick is that if if this is
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proposes a solution is easy way to play
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a game by somebody
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no but different her for you know
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personally I had more faith and
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marketability to the second of all local
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the most important thing is Marco can
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have these struggles because the
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timeline is already incredibly stretched
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out because of all his did you know
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having whoring and trying to say I was
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gonna do you don't presented as ready to
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play unless you're sure it's ready to
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play like you don't like it the making
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the promise like a lot but I don't drive
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everything's all set like you should
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have known like tip should not you
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should even talk to tiff about this
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until you you've loaded it played for 15
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minutes
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reset to the beginning of the game and
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say okay now it's ready for you like
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that's when it's actually ready you
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don't you don't involve her unless she
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wants to do it herself fine she can do
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all this crap but if you're going to
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deal with the crap don't call her in to
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look at it until it's really done that's
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the secret to all the geeky like stuff
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you're you know doing for your family
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you don't want to show them what it
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actually takes to get this done you
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don't call them into the room until the
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thing is already loaded in itunes or
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netflix until it's already queuing up
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until you've seen the paramount logo
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appear like you know all the network
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characters are working you know you're
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signed in you know everything had
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software update the popcorn is popping
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they come in they sit down you hit the
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play button that was already about to
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play like that's what you gotta do the
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everyone who's in a relationship at any
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kind would totally pat me on the back
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because i didn't say i told you so at
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that moment when he brought up it was in
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your eyes it
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oh yeah well I can't keep it out of my I
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mean I gotta show you a little bit i
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mean you're giving me like the look so
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hard but I didn't say it
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yes yelled at me on Twitter instead this
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is transference just taken out of me
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yeah so anyway so eventually it just
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this stupid like display driver stopped
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responding but we figured it out but yet
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this is no problem to alert you with via
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a balloon that kills your game this
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problem kept happening and I tried you
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know this is like is like an ati driver
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control panel so I kept open it up and I
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turning down settings and tried lowering
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the resolution which is not easy anymore
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but eventually dug down and finalists
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crap in their new interface that's even
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worse than the old one and eventually
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figured out like I let me turn all the
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settings turn all the anti-aliasing
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Charlie turned down everything that I
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know to be complex and it still
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company's problems my god it's not like
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an issue of it overloading so I I
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thought maybe just maybe this is because
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i had created the installation on my
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laptop and I was running it on a
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five-day imac and so I thought let's
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just try playing the game on the laptop
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so we abandon ship from the back
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yeah so to move to the chair was invited
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for survivors you know got in the boat
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and we left the imac and we moved onto
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the chair with a laptop
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yeah so finally went over finally play
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the game on laptop and it was suppose
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the first problem you had There was that
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it was that the one now I just need you
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to get my pen right and and we've rented
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a power almost in this that was another
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balloon like that yesterday morning
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yeah yeah the batteries ran out we have
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to plug in because it's a laptop yet
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turns out when you play games laptop
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batteries don't last very long
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what a surprise so it's ok so i go back
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to play the game tonight since I stayed
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up so late last night trying to finish
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the game in time but I get just got so
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late i was i was very very tired in the
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ultimate insult
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I went to bed before she did and then
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alexa turns off all the lights on me
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which was the worst but i had to turn it
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back on
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I felt so cool good for mood lighting
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all right it's good atmosphere for that
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well I had it mostly dark I just didn't
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want the whole house to be dark like the
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other rooms lights went off and I was
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like plunged into the you know pit of
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darkness so I had to have her turn it
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back on
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anyway so tonight he's podcasting i have
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my game on a laptop it's portable i can
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leave the office i can go play wherever
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I want a nice sit-down and i'm getting
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ready to play and a message is tattooed
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in the corner of this dark
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game it says activate windows go to
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settings activate Thank You Margo never
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activated it's right where you left that
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part of the story is like all click the
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see a register later like yeah you
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caught that little little thing that you
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have to there so it's tattooed on the
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bottom of the game
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everything is dark and you know if
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anyone has played inside you kind of see
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the video is a lot of silhouettes it is
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it's very distracting when you have big
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white letters right at the bottom of the
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screen shouting at you about activating
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your windows which whatever the hell
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that means whatever the hell that means
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and so I go to the settings so it could
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tell me and it says there's a button
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that says do you want to know what the
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hell this means and so I click the
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button and it tells me that I need some
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sort of key and I need to have this
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program go in and change settings in my
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computer in order to get this key and
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what does that just makes me panic so
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I'm here texting Marco while he's
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podcasting asking him for a kid he's
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like Kenya wait I'm like no there's a
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huge ugly tattoo all over my game and
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then in that process the gamestops booty
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it won't boot anymore it just won't it
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just stops it's just spinning into the
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abyss steam doesn't work nothing's
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working
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finally he sends me the message of with
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the key in it so thank you whoever gave
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us that key your awesome i put it in i
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missed type it I put it in again and it
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works and then i have to shut down all
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the programs that i had open and open
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them again because it can't figure out
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what i just did and so now the game is
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sitting on the laptop and it is running
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and it looks great and Marco calls me in
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here so that's where we are
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I'm so glad that journey is only
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available in the console because he
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actually destroying the experience of in
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Cyprus is moody you know atmospheric
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game you really want to get into a quiet
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house but not to worry about instead
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you're being accosted by terrible little
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balloon set asking you to update windows
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tell me about your driver i really just
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ate up all night last night and finished
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it i think i have only about like 40
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minutes left
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God yeah it's so in conclusion
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bootcamp sucks John you were wrong and
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windows sucks and you suck installing
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boot camp I think that's clear
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i I can't really argue with that but I
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mean it sounds even from your experience
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it sounds like there's just a baseline
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level of windows crappiness that you
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have to deal with even if you do
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everything right well even if you have a
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PC and it seems like that is
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approximately like seventy-five percent
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of the trouble we had so it isn't even
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that much less than the trouble we have
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well but you but you did you make bad
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update you installed one attached two
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different hardware then you're going to
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play on like they're all mistakes that i
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could have got you away from you you
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presented as a tip before you knew it
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was ready like that some of these are
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just procedural marriage mistakes and
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some of them are technical assistance
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windows and like and see what I'm doing
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it myself i am both the preparer and the
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person who I'm playing for I'm the most
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demanding customer for playing I don't
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want to even begin to play session until
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I'm absolutely dead sure that everything
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is all set right
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John next time you say that this is
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going to be fine and it's so easy just
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put something on this thing and then we
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can play it you're gonna come over here
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first and do it for us and then I like
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you I feel like you should bring the
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computer to me for the service but yeah
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there's a surprise John doesn't want to
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leave the house don't know but it
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wouldn't matter I'd like to drive places
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in his test literally making pizza we
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can show up I'm cool with that yeah i do
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that seems like nobody wants to hear
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so now that we've got you both here you
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have this terrible experience like
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another thing you need to know is the
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care and feeding of bootcamp partition
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and steam like I'm gonna die and in the
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future that for Marco's is fine there
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will come a time in the future when you
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want to use this again to play game will
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there really yeah
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don't assume that because you played a
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game on it three months ago that you're
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like oh I already have that i'll just go
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into it and download the gameplay you
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will not they'll be windows updates will
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be steamed updates you might have to be
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updated drivers after both of those
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happen like it's you know you have there
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is a care and feeding of it the longer
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you go longer it takes that's why I
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still usually allow for like eight with
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an existing bootcamp partition like when
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I had XP i allowed for one day to
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install by the game to all the updates
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launch it make sure it runs the next day
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would be the play that they could ask
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playing the game but just not you know
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it's not that bad just that but you just
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have to plan for if you go in and say
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okay this new game is out
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I've set aside this time I'm going to
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boot back into boot camp for the first
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time in three months you will not be
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playing that game for a long time right
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so you have to have the you know if you
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use the boot campers in every day was
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fine like it you know sort of beat you
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it's like using your Mac everyday
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everyone from all those updates or
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whatever but it really kills you just
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leave a dormant for months and months so
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keep that in mind the next time the game
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is out if she wants to play it get it
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all set up for ahead of time
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make sure all the updates to run
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launched it play a little bit of
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yourself
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delete the savegame go back to the
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beginning make sure he's and I don't
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think you can purchase healthy already
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because those buttons those bubbles with
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the the you know while you maybe want to
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activate it on the laptop is fine if
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she's going to play their imac wipe the
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whole thing start over install the imac
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from the beginning when she's not there
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something you may have to sacrifice your
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own sleep to do this instead of just
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going to bed early because you're tired
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from fighting with windows so what part
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of this is the fun playing the game
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which is you're supposed to let her have
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all the fun and you do all the work
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that's is still too if I'm still here
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I didn't really leave I did oh I just be
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like that knowing that there is another
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way to do this where you just turn on a
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game and it's there and maybe there's
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one update is just well it's better I I
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think you already under underestimate
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the number updates on consoles like you
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got your xbox one out-of-the-box you're
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not playing the you know inside on that
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xbox and so you run through all the
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updates the xbox system software then
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download the game and then whatever
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patches that it's not it's better it's
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way better not gonna say it's not but
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it's not like oh we the xbox just
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arrived set that up for me after I
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finished lunch i'll start playing now
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you want
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that's the problem it's like like we we
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think of consoles like the way the Sega
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Genesis was it just literally always
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work exactly the same way you plug in
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the game you eternal on it starts
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immediately a place that game you're
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well that's the way steam on mac works
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sort of you constantly using your mac
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and you constantly updating and I bet
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steam updates like every other time you
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launch it anyway even on your Mac it's
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just you're constantly doing that so the
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updates are gigantic and it's not seven
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of them it's just you know the cost of
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doing business the ongoing cost of just
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using your mac and running updates all
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the time whenever you
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like it i don't think i want to pay this
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cost John Marco supposed to say I said
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why he doesn't work you have all the fun
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yeah why is he the one paying this
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costume why aren't you why aren't I
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getting berated to learn how to do all
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this stuff myself
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come on it's obvious you could but then
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you have to pay the costs and then you
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have to have the fun but that's what i
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did i no one else my family is helping
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me set up my boot campers and i pay the
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costs and I have the funder saying the
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situation of the market was going to do
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it for you then you that's the
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arrangement you can have if you want to
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do it all yourself and not trust market
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to do it because maybe you have exactly
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as much more windows he dies which is
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entirely plausible than you can know who
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that's insulting you
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Marco trust me huh anyway hope this game
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is good you want to finish yeah I need
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to go finish this game
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all right i'll see you on the
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incomparable John ok to enjoy thanks a
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lot incomparable for causing all this
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so what's awesome these days Marco uh-uh
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nuts before returning the iphone to
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their pocket or bag i'd say probably
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ninety percent of the 16 to 22 year olds
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quit all of their apps
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ok and then flick up control center that
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brightness to 0 before putting the phone
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to sleep
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what why because they want a thinner
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iphone yeah that fits perfectly with the
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with the quitting on the absolute we
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have discussed at length on other shows
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detrimental depending on what's going on
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turning the control center brightness
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down is exactly the same kind of like it
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makes no logical sense if you think
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about it because brightness must mean
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uses the battery and even though putting
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to sleep i feel better about turning the
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brightness all the way down because it
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actually wakes up in my pocket or the
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next time I wake it up
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it's this is a bad idea people like
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there's no end to the number of things
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that people do like putting chicken
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entrails or in a circle around their bed
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at night to make their phone charge
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faster whatever there is no any other
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things that they will do like if if we
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could put more things in like control
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center and settings and stuff it seemed
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to be power related before they put
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their phones to sleep is the best one
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because the screen is basically off when
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you put it to sleep and yet they still
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want to turn the brightness down and you
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know it's like the energy used by
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pulling up control center and it's
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probably you know negates the energy
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they say by having the brightness down a
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millisecond before they hit the power
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button to put the thing to sleep but
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wait there is some validity here because
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if a notification comes in
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cause of the screen to light up it will
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then be at lower brightness for those
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like five seconds i know i understand
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yes very briefly on and yeah I know I
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know but like but seriously like the
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amount of time they send on on the
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double tap the home button and flicking
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those things up and the GPU cycle the
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energy of like quickly is for like the
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other it's just this is naughty and not
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to mention time which is a resource that
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is not renewable like this is not a good
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use of your time if you're doing this
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please stop if you see your friends
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putting apps try to convince them that
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it's not the thing to do I really
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desperately hope that Apple does like
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makes force quitting apps require like
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double key ignition like the nuclear
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launch code type things like makes it so
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much more cumbersome so that to actually
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force quit every single one of your
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applications would just take way too
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long and then that will force people to
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stop this was I think there they'll give
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up it takes 17 taps in a way that's
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happened to hold a force press this to
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force quit one app will they
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yeah i think i'll just take too long
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like they won't be able to put the phone
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away they also has been 15 minutes did
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like then you know we talked about it
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for the google the other extremist just
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give him a button that makes all the
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pictures go away but doesn't actually
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force quit anything but you still
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legitimately need a way to force great
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apps on your phone so that has to exist
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that's just it
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this is such a mess this this whole
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enterprise apples partially to blame but
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so are people passing around sort of
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superstitions about what you should do
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your phone and yes Marco I saw your dick
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there yes Apple should make phones with
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more battery we all agree yeah I mean
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that's not gonna get the course of today
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I wait till they announce the new phone
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but if they did you think it would stop
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these people from like turning Bryan and
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I don't think it would because it's not
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it's not founded is not evidence-based
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medicine as they say which as we know as
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we go call normally medicine
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well but you know it yeah you know if if
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people weren't always running out of
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battery
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they wouldn't be so desperate for
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solutions and he even if these solutions
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are fake or an effective they're still a
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very clear demand here that customers
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are saying and have been saying for a
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very long time
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my battery doesn't last long enough and
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therefore i'm going to seek out stupid
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tricks to make it last longer
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yeah well so that but the bad thing
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about these tricks is they do them like
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so everyone has had the battery run out
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at some point and the more you have
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around the more you're going to seek out
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the superstition so there's a true that
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but the other thing is that like it runs
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out because they're out for a long day
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played a lot of games there was a bug in
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the OSR bug in some apps that burn
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through the battery and that triggers
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the seeking out of soup that you know
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asking the people in your tribe what you
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do to make this magical device not
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around a battery they tell you all these
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tricks and you you do these tricks
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religiously and the next day your
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battery doesn't run out and you
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attribute the fact that your battery
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didn't run out to the fact that you did
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all these tricks no se but you don't
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need to do all that said no I do these
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things and now my battery doesn't run
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out like they don't understand that the
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reason about a round of the day before I
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had nothing to do with not doing those
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things it was a different situation so
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they every time they do these every day
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they go through and the battery doesn't
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run out and I do all this stuff
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reinforces in their mind the idea that
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doing these things cause the battery not
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to run out which is not the case right
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and so there's it's almost impossible to
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convince them they should stop doing
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this did like but when i do this is like
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the leases rock and simpsons you know
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this rock keeps away Tigers you know and
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it sounds like having to rockaway tigers
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and lisa says you don't see any Tigers
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do you and then Homer says Lisa I'd like
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to buy that rock like that's not the
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human brain works so it's impossible to
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convince people these things don't work
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so i think the battery life and the
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iphone could stand improvement but for
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most people it last tour normal sort of
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medium to light used a heavy use days
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it's still not sufficient which is why i
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have battery cases and those days people
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run out of batteries and those are the
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days that drive them to seek out these
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things but you see but that's that's
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that's the problem here like we
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mentioned earlier in our in the camera
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discussion i was saying how like you
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these new Maryland's cameras have
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especially to set this at the high end
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so anyone's have terrible battery life
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and on my sony I've done all sorts of
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stupid tricks to try to stretch the
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better life a little bit further because
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it just isn't good enough and I have
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always liked you I keep the phone on
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airplane mode so i don't using the Wi-Fi
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feature have always liked all the screen
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turn off really fast and it in all this
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stuff like all these tricks to try to
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save a little bit about that power
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because it's so scarce
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meanwhile i never once had to seek out a
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trick I had to save battery power on my
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SLR because the battery was so
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ridiculously big and it didn't use that
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much of it that it was just hardly ever
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a problem the solution to this problem
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is to fix the symptoms that cause people
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to see that these solutions in the first
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place and I'm not like when people say
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like oh we're kin phones go we they are
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so mature now I don't know what phones
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can get better at
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only they can get better at this this is
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one big thing that has always been a
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problem with with almost all portable
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devices especially cell phones and I
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think it's really time to start thinking
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about the problem differently it's very
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clear that the way Apple things about
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this problem is they have the way they
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they they were these certain tests of
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like you know voice usage and light web
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browsing and everything but I think it's
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increasingly clear that we keep coming
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up with really cool things we can do
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with these phones that use
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something-or-other that needs a lot of
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power whether it's the GPS chip or the
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camera or the high-end cpu speed and you
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may be using the GPU do a bunch of cool
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3d stuff using AR compositing using
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advanced processing whatever the case
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may be we are coming up with things that
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we can do with these phones that justice
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or the battery and along with the ones
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we already had things like you know
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turn-by-turn directions like that that
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slaughters the batteries you're keeping
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gps on I don't think this makes for a
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good overall product that the story is
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the battle week will be good enough as
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long as you don't really do much with it
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why should be penalized for using it the
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way you know using all these great
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features that you've added and and
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developed and and/or that I've bought in
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the app store or more likely in taking
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the appstore gotten in the app store you
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know why is this okay why is the status
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quo and and why why is considered good
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oh yeah well it's totally normal for any
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non-trivial use of your phone even if
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you use too trivial things for a long
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time during the day those battery life
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estimates are based on very light usage
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of your phone and having it off in your
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pocket most of the day
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well our phones are increasingly
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becoming our computers that's not how
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people use computers people's computers
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more all day than that it's like I feel
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like we are standards are too low both
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us as consumers are expectations and
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apple standards in this area are too low
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that when you start thinking about like
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how amazing
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could the phone be if the battery was
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not the same as it was now was not just
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like fifteen percent bigger what if it
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was four times bigger like how would
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that change the way we can use these
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devices
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how would it change how how many of
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these stupid habits would people no
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longer need to do
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if the average person during the two
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years they own their phone never ran a
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battery or maybe it happened once you
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like things would change dramatically
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but we are never going to get there if
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we keep making these little tiny
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incremental improvements because we've
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declared 10 hours wireless web or
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whatever to be good enough
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well I think that we are there it's just
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were there by strapping backpacks to our
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phones and that's why Apple made the
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battery case what that's why mophie
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makes a killing with every new phone i
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agree with you by and large that we
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really should expect and ask for a
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little bit more juice on these phones
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and and I think we've talked all three
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of us to talk about this to death on
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prior episodes but it really the the
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fixed today is to strap a humpback here
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to turn your phone into a humpback phone
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and then the problem solved
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real-time follow up on the Real pressing
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issue here which is the Luna to the the
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really ridiculous habits of the youths
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of Britain when your phone is in your
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it will not light up at least on iOS 10
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i just sent myself a push notification I
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had my finger mashed on the ambient
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light sensor and it did not light up
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that maybe it maybe those chances we
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could have it facing a certain direction
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maybe different os's did like a lot of
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the superstition and stuff is based on
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like maybe the current one doesn't
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relate they don't they don't update is
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not evidence based on updating it based
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on current scenarios and as we set our
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past shows force quitting can actually
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cost your battery life if you're just
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going to use that same app again you're
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causing it to launch for fresh state
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over and over and over it's better to
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resume is better to have it suspended
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and resume it better for your battery
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thing you're trying to say but i think
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this whole topic segues nicely into the
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actually the first time our topic this
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was talking about the the iphone 7
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rumors which mostly stuff that we talked
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about before but you know another topic
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we visit before it's like oh this one
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looks like it's going to be about the
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same size and shape as the iphone 6 and
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I assume the inside as they usually do
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will become slightly more
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power-efficient various ways so if it's
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the same size of the iphone 6 the inside
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the more power-efficient it should get
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better battery life right like this
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should be it's not like we're mark was
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talking about four times bigger but it
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it seems like it could be potentially a
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change the trend where from year to year
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battery life is basically the same that
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you know they're basically like they
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they they they have a new phone but they
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make a little bit thinner and they try
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to you know the insides take less power
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but they use less but they put a smaller
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battery in it to make it thinner and to
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try to you know like the ipad and try to
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keep it around 10 hours keep their stats
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around the same and very some go up and
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some go down it's not a smooth slope but
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for this going to be the third year in a
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have to think that this has to have
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better battery life at least better much
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better battery life in the six not just
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like a little bump on the graph but
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significantly better and if it doesn't I
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wonder what they're using like have they
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found a new way to suck up all that
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battery power because like it it may be
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too much to ask as we have so many times
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for Apple please make one fat phone like
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ya don't make all your phones fat but to
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make one fat phone why not make one fat
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one for the people who wants a better
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and one fat laptop yeah exactly right
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but they're not going to do that this
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may be again one of the potential silver
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linings of the otherwise fairly
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unremarkable iphone 7 from what we know
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from the rumors and potentially
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infuriating iphone 7 with no headphone
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port is hey it could have better battery
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life than the six and success in a way
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that people would notice there's still
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force quit all their apps in turn the
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screen brightness down but whatever
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no but it's see that something like it's
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not the way you get better battery life
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is by a dramatic change in the power
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efficiency of the components or by
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increasing the battery size and that's
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how it that's how this happens not
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biased like you're not like fifteen
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percent like it's fifteen percent more
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battery life that's nice i'll take it
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but that's not going to change anybody's
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behavior that's not going to be a
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radical shift in what we can do with
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these devices that we couldn't do before
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it could change new users behavior
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because if they never actually run out
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of battery
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they won't seek out these tweaks like
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you said if you never get into
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situations run out and it could be that
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for a huge philosophy / 15 more fifteen
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percent more is enough to get them over
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the hump we're like before there but
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they better would have been dead in it i
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would have had an hour left until they
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get home and put on the nightstand and
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now at last that extra hour and and and
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has 30 minutes to spare after that so
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they feel like maybe they feel like I
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just made it maybe have a little bit of
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anxiety but they never actually
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literally run out of battery
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I think that will go a long way to
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helping and really like three years same
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size like the components and so i can
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get smaller to making room for more
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battery like all the same form factor
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for three years I think if you add up
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all the small games over those years the
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difference between 26 and 27 is going to
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be huge difference success and seven
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maybe not as huge but this is all
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predicated on something we're not sure
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about which is who they could have done
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the same thing with the cpu like oh we
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we have a more power efficient process
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for and we've you know reduce the number
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of chips and some of our chips are made
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on a smaller process than they used to
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be like the ancillary supporting ships
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so we do have a power drop let's use
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that to crank the clock speed
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let's use that to add more course to the
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GPU like we have no idea what's inside
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the system on the ship so could be there
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all everything i'm saying is not true
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and in fact they basically use their
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budget of extra space and extra power to
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make this phone faster because that's
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the only thing that I've heard about
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this phone
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besides the dual cameras on the dawn
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supposedly on the big one that makes you
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make someone think that it would be
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better than the successes like well
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it'll be faster because you know i'll
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have a better system on a chip on it and
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doesn't everyone like faster yes I do
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like faster just complaining about slow
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iphone last week and dual cameras might
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be neat but on the other hand and taking
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away the headphone port anything looks
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the same so I maybe that's not enough
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that's the thing i mean like from what
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we know from revolve know in quotes what
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the rumors say so far what we've heard
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from various birdies and tipsters is
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basically that yet the same shape and
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size it's a little bit lighter weight
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and it's you know faster a lot faster
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supposedly and there was there was very
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briefly macrumors repost of a story
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about Allah the hit appear on their feet
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and was nowhere on their site but I i
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say that of course that there is
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allegedly a leaf d pinch test of the new
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of the new a10 ship and it if it was
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real it showed roughly fifty percent
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performance increase over the the a9
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that's cool you know that's real and you
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know that kind of matches up kind of
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what we've been hearing so you know
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that's it is probably a lot faster and
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that's great but if if things get more
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power-efficient Apple spends it
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basically like any gains they get
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inefficiency they spend it in other
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places and they keep roughly the same
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target battery life
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because they they think in general
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they've that they have good battery life
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and that's where I think like no like we
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too weak to work on that assumption
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there there's a great post in six colors
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a couple years ago where Jason basically
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went through and graft the battery life
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over time by Apple's various testing
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metrics of iphones and ipads and the
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iphone graph is very little bit but
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they're all kind of in the same range
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and the 6 plus comes out and it's like a
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big jump up did it doesn't include the s
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generation that's too old and the funny
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thing is that the ipad battery life is a
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straight line like this it's always 10
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hours but it did changed no part of that
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because any advances they make in power
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efficiency etc they they basically spend
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by making the battery smaller or by
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increasing the power budget for things
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like a faster cpu so Apple is clearly
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you know it is jason put it in this
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article solving for x like they've
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determined like a a certain battery life
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to be this is good this is a good target
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we don't really need to get much better
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than this
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so let's any games we make them we can
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make the devices thinner and lighter or
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whatever or make the CPUs faster or
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whatever and that this is the problem
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like i don't see how we get off this
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treadmill basically like I ICS
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continuing to make these incremental
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advantage the incremental advances over
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you know here and there like like you
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next year supposedly we're getting an
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oled screen and that will be a big power
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savings but is that is that they're
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going to go into making the phone
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thinner and lighter probably or you know
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putting other you know making other
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components use more power or whatever
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else like that's probably gonna happen
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instead because Apple feels that this is
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good enough because they didn't feel
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this was good enough they would release
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a thicker one that you could buy through
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work with more battery power
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the thing about those graphs is Apple's
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controlling all aspects of them may
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control the product they also control
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the methodology of the measurement
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that's true then i assume apples
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adjusting the methodology because they
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do collect like all those stats and
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everything and what you were saying
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before is essentially telling Apple
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Apple year you have to change your
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methodology even more than you have been
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because people use your phones in
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different ways they can do many more
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things like if our people reading
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Twitter you know in 2008-2009 people
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reading Twitter on their phones it's
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like it's a table view full text
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scrolling it now people are snapchatting
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that is a whole different you know a
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battery use sort of profile so I so
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Apple does updates methodology overtime
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and based on our diagnostic data they
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just say while people are really using
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more power per minute of staring at
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their phones because the applications
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are using as you said are doing more
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interesting things so I hope that they
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wanted their methodology I can see a
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scenario where they keep that graph
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basically level but keep changing their
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methodology to say
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normal usage is now uses way more power
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than it used to
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and I think they must have been doing
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that already because it's not as if
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normal usage and a 3gs is the same as
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normal usage on on a six like they must
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be doing that it's just that you again
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we're we're all saying that they're
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they're off the curve like they think
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everything is fine and they're dead
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they're under maybe just under maybe
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under by a big amount and there are many
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ways they can solve they don't seem to
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be doing it if there but I still feel
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like they're within shooting distance of
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it especially keeping the form factor
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the same for three years in a row and
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the faster cpu and like fifty percent is
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a big jump
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yeah you know it and so you get the
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advantage of things like race to sleep
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where how can a faster cpu help you save
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battery because it gets done with its
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computation goes back into the low power
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mode faster right there are you don't
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you know we're all specs we don't know
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what the profile this chip is they could
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burn all the extra energy i'm just more
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GPU cores for all we know because they
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love to do that and it's really easy to
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add them and they do make your games
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faster but what he hears that here's the
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problem though so much of modern
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computing it you know and much of it
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with Apple devices right in the middle
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of it is based on this idea that we have
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to just conserve conserved conserved to
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sit power everywhere and never push
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anything too hard for too long the race
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to sleep it is a big part of that
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what if we had so much power that we
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could actually use the cpu I know this
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is a radical concept that's called
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that's called a desktop computer and i
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have one yeah this is a radical concept
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i know but like like over the weekend I
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was a this past weekend I was getting
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some work done on my macbook pro not
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playing games on it in the mouth of a
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pro and i was running Xcode and i was i
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was working on mp3 encoder doing some
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tests that we talked about last episode
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using Xcode doing some builds and
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occasionally having having like a one
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minute or so burst of all four course
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being maxed out
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going back to Xcode code and going back
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and so you know it was moderate to heavy
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use not even i'm not even talking about
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like a handbrake transcode for two hours
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like I'm just talking like it would max
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out the course sometimes for a minute or
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so and then go back to moderate use
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xcode this made this laptop that is not
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very old and that when you're not doing
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much fun it has like a 10-hour quoted
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battery life have instead a four hour
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battery life and that sucks like it
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if you didn't have to do that and here
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they are Apple has basically you know
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in store but i'm guessing they're not
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going to have twice the battery life i'm
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guessing they're gonna have about the
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same battery life and be thinner and
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lighter and that's what people want
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that's fine i wish that was the only
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option because right now it's like
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everything apple makes is a thin light
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and light they're only ok for battery
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life a lot of customers have different
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needs and this is why I like I really i
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mean i don't i guess i'll stop harping
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on this after this but I just I really
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am sad to see that Apple really keep
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reducing the amount of choice we have we
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have we have more and more choice in
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areas that don't matter like color and
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we have ever ever less choice on factors
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things like battery life and and
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high-end specs and things like that and
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that worries me for my future happiness
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on this platform
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well but you're you're painting your
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concerns is the only ones that matter
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and apples clearly making these
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decisions based on on what all of the
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millions upon millions upon millions of
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iphone users want i do agree with you
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that twenty-five to fifty percent more
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battery life I think would make every
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single iphone user happier but with that
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I don't think doubling the thickness and
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maybe that's aggressive i don't know but
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but even even a hundred twenty-five
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percent of the thickness now that we're
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all used to these little slivers of of
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I don't know if that would make a lot of
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people happy and I think a lot of people
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look at that and go all even even if the
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same person that just went little wood
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would really love to have fifty percent
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more battery life the first reaction
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will be whole kind of like if they are
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no remove the headphone jack or
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something but iight I'm torn because I
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think I think to some degree you're
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projecting a little bit what your
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personal needs and desires are in and
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matter because I guess what you're human
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for my devices i tend to agree with you
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but I don't think we should throw
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everything out and say oh this is BS and
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they're not really they're not really
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doing what anyone wants because i think
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most people do you just want to thin
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white phone that lasts all day
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the problem is is that i don't think
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many people can get to that last all day
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part the way it is now and John alluded
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to earlier said earlier you know if he
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was fifteen percent better maybe that
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would get you over the hump well yeah
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that that's probably true or are you for
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a lot of people but in my case i am i'm
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probably at between 10 and 30 percent of
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the end of most days and i think another
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ten or fifteen percent if I ended the
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day at between let's say twenty and
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forty percent that wouldn't make me stop
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stressing about my battery life if I
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ended the day at fifty percent all the
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time like I did on my watch
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then i would not be stressed about
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battery life anymore configured as a
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personal problem is the personality just
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like with my percentage you become
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anxious because we all know people who
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like use their phone with a little
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battery meter and the red and they're
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fine with it and other people will get
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close to fifty percent same thing with
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gas tanks by the way is the 15 but my
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wife asked me the other day she was
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talking about the light on the dash for
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like what like like you know the light
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comes on when you're running low on gas
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like I've never seen that light and
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neither should you
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what are you doing here know that life
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existed but like you know cases like I
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i'm not arguing that Apple should make
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products to fit me period and ignore
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what everyone else wants
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I do wish there was more choice and even
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if that choice wasn't perfect for me you
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know right now like you know these the
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way Apple target
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the battery life and and other factors
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but you know the better i think the big
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one the way they target this you
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basically have an entire product line
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where everything has roughly the same
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battery life or you know or fairly close
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are we talking about the laptops we talk
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about the phones because the homes if
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you really wanted
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if you really want battery life go +
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club not the screens on the plus has way
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better battery life if you're talking on
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it or if it's playing music with the
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screen off but when the screens on it
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isn't that much better it's it's a it's
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a little better but not that much better
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so you know a lot of these areas where
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we're like using the screen of the GPU
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or like a lot of these things it will
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actually wouldn't be tremendously better
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but that and that is fair that is you
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know it is a lot bigger phone and I you
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know I would I wouldn't mind if my
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success was thicker I anyway Apple has
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spent the last few years basically
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reducing the amount of choice we have in
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in key areas or in in something like the
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iphone were now we have more choice in
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the iphone but we have a lot of choice
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in in ways that maybe don't matter as
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and one of the big things that like
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everyone is that it is so so often needs
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is more battery life and we don't really
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have a choice that the only choice we
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have is a crappy choice of bolting on
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additional battery packs to it was like
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external which suck because they are
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they have to have you know all the all
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the overhead of being an excellent
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peripheral their own casing their own
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circuitry their own charging their own
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port their own cables or connectors like
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all the all the crap that's overhead it
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isn't just the additional battery so
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that is a crappy solution and I hope
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that is not apples long-term only plan
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and finally I will close this by there's
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a great line in our chat room a few
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minutes ago from chris ltd saying what's
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the point of having consumer and
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prolines if the consumer and pro lines
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are basically the same thing
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consumer lines get updated haha oh my
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god that's amazing
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thanks a lot 43 sponsors this week
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see you next week
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to be in because it was accidental
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was accidental
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John research Marco and Casey would
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because it was accidentally was
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accidental and you can find the show
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know the day EP that and if twitter
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follow them
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yes eyl ISS that's Casey list and a
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co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment and our AC
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C recuse it
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so John and I shared a private moment
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before the show is something that you
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need to keep private
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well no now we want to tell the whole
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world about a private moment we used
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google duo together is that the thing
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where people can show obscene pictures
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to other people who didn't agree to it
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yep that's the one yes you could choose
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to do that if you so desired that was
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the whole idea is that it shows what's
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on the you know the before you even
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accept the call you see video from the
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others i think there was something about
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that when i was doing it that like only
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if they're in your contacts already that
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happens or there somewhere we talked
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about it was after Google i/o and they
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demoed the features they didn't remember
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i said they didn't say anything about
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the needs to just say sense said of
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course you can turn his offer of course
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it only works on X my situations but
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instead they said nothing and just
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presented as look isn't this great when
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you pick it up before you hit the button
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that says yes except this video call
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you're already seeing video from them is
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like no no one thought about it for two
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seconds that's terrible
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unless unless there's some kind of
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limitations and i'm not sure what they
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are still not sure what service
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Casey I was calling each other and we
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don't care yeah but i don't think i saw
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you before I agree to the call i thought
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that feature was android only what is it
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said there was a thing that came up on
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my screen that I thought well I tapped
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in like like a typical computers you tap
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it away before you agree the thing it
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was like oh
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keep in mind that you're going to be
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anybody it was that okay no it was the
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button was like okay got it now
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unfortunately try this like just before
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we came on to get your phone with no
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it's alright i'll try right now here we
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I'm gonna do your little alright so do
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you want my phone do all my phone to be
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a lot to be locked to be in the duo app
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how do you want to do this doesn't
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matter I video call go to you on the
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phone okay incoming call from Syracuse
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is a notification and come okay i do see
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you see me there but before you hit
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except god oh god sorry no i did not see
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before him except i thought i was muted
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what the hell's a settings
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knock knock on it that's what I'm
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talking about now yeah i was gonna be
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trouble let me tell you don't enjoy it
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accepts all right that we are you
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calling me or by calling you you can
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call me sir
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all right let me try calling
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communication smile knocks on alright
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gotta say that's the thing is saying
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doing your smile your video and yeah I
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see you right now and i have not had
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except oh then i might get a little
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decline i can hit decline or accept i'm
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going to decline you
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well i will then we go the other way one
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more time I want to see this now
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yeah so the future all exist here we go
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this is super into interesting
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ok so i can see you right now you can't
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see me nope
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how interesting I'm declining you
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because now being so this is the exact
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feature we were talking about the fact
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that my mistake my mistake before casey
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had decided whether you want to accept
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this call he's forced to see me and
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they're that's the the feature is called
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knocking I think if you turn that
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setting off but would you know anyway i
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mostly want to use it just to see how
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they compare to facetime because that's
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the roll this thing it's basically
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cross-platform facetime if you can't do
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face time with your relatives because
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they all have android phones because you
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have an android phone and they have
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iphones or whatever if everybody gets
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google duo then you can do essentially
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the same stuff as space-time across
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platforms that worrying about getting
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everyone in your family to use iPhones
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are getting everyone in your family to
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use android or whatever the predecessor
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up to this was if there was one so i
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think that's good
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the brief time that we used it the one
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feature that was annoying both of us was
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that the little window that shows you
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show yourself like this is what the
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other person is seeing right now it is
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cropped to a circle which is infuriating
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because of all the things were showing
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each other i was trying to show him like
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my files box in the basement you're
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comparing our BIOS boxes this is the
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Savannah Georgia
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anyway I couldn't tell I couldn't tell
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the whole files box was in the frame
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because I had I was holding my phone in
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portrait orientation because that's
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basically the orientation of the files
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box and I want to get the whole thing in
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the shot but because the preview is
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circular I could never tell if it was
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entirely in the frame that you can tap
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the circle which switches it and now all
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of a sudden the the video i'm sending
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takes up my whole phone and Casey's
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video is in the tiny little circle and
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that helps me frame things but it's not
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really improvement now he's in a little
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circle and I want to see him so I feel
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like this is a softball
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them make the preview of the video the
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other person is seen the same aspect
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ratio and like show the full image so i
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know what the the frame batteries are
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because the circles like I was looking
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through a little porthole and you
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currently trying to like make sure he
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was seeing the whole thing but other
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than that the video quality look good we
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didn't have any disconnections at work
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find the little ringtone you kind of
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hurt over microphone depending on how
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much marco and it's out
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sounds nice and pleasant so I mostly
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good duo thumbs up except for the
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knockout feature being on by default and
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possibly existing at all and the
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circular profit
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I didn't think it was won by default i
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thought i had to turn it on maybe i'm
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wrong about that but i thought yeah i
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think maybe on first launched it says
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that little like I said the thing that I
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swept away without even looking at it
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the thing I hit up was like okay got it
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i think it was telling you about knock
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knock just so you're aware it's not
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connecting is on i think the only option
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was ok got it but I can't go through the
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first launch will do i what i saw was
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what you saw because i had only received
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a call I'd not placed one and it was
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just telling you hey right now you're
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actually visible so you know don't do
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anything stupid but I had thought in
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settings where there is absolutely a
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switch to flip for knock knock on or off
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I thought I'd expressly going in there
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and turned it on but if you don't
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remember doing that perhaps i'm
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remembering right now I don't I
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definitely didn't do that is first time
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actually we should see so turn knock
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knock off on your end and then i'm going
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to call you one more time because i
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think the setting applies to your end
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we're going home
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I mean it's only yeah that's evidence
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knock knock don't you wish you hadn't
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told Margo I'm so upset that i missed
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ok i am prepared for you to knock on me
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what did you just didn't listen to
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Instagram story when you introduced I
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think mr. I'm story that the the
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screenshot of your windows thing that
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booting yeah okay i do i'm getting an
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incoming video call i see nothing I just
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see a screen
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yeah so that so basically you're
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controlling and not what you said but
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what you receive yeah okay so wait so
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with me having knock knock off i'm now
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going to call you can you see me at this
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point I'm twisting my phone back and
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forth just to show you that something is
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no and in fact the dish was a blank
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screen like yeah that's basically what I
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so apparently if either of us was
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knocked off then don't have it doesn't
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happen yeah so we just need to have that
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off by default or mean make people more
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aware of their first launcher anyway who
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knows I've had regular people won't mind
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but it just seems like you won't mind
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until the first time you do mind and
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then you like a better
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did you know did it quiz you after the
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fact as to whether or not the call was
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good did you notice that I did not kiss
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me no quizzes
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oh interesting i got on mine order to
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say one second i took a screenshot of it
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this is a terrible screenshot that I
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won't be able to put the show notes cuz
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I look like an idiot but how the call
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quality skip unhappy face bad or happy
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face good actually i'll take it I'll
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crop just that little dialogue but that
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show notes and I skip this entire topic
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no I put on a happy face on it if you'd
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like or you could do you know what you
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should do is also i will put this this
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image in the show notes and you can just
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like sketch red circle the bad one
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how about that is that what that means
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but it was able to pinpoint now forget
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we've been using we've been talking
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about this for a minute and a half we
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talked about photography for 20 minutes
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more than that and you're already
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getting grumbly he doesn't have
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installed should have been stolen right
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now you're gonna get like us it's so far
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you you have not given a ringing
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endorsement in my opinion do you have
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family that doesn't have iphones that
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you would like to face time with no see
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that's the thing that we do you have as
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I've talked about many times in the past
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my whole family is all iOS errands whole
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family except aaron is all android and
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there have been times that we would
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really like to video chat with Aaron's
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mom or actually my grandmother has a
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some sort of android phone that's I
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believe expressly designed for senior
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citizens so there's I think had the
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whatever physical buttons are on their
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very large and and I think that it's
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it's been sent over simplified and all
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the fonts are gigantic by default
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anyway uh next time I'm around her I
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hope I will be able to put
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duo on her phone even those ancient and
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then we would be able to video chat with
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her it's not a jitterbug but it's along
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those lines just get an ipad I've
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thought about it but I don't know it's
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just one more thing for her manage sorry
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I so i'm i'm excited about this i
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completely agree with John that the
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circular little porthole into yourself
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is freaking terrible i do like that you
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can tap into your own image and bring it
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up full screen like John it said because
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there's been times I've wanted to do
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that facetime and I can't it handled
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rotation just like FaceTime does which
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is a good thing that's a compliment and
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the video quality was great
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dials instantly when I was
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video-chatting with John on the show
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moments ago it seemed like there was
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very very low latency and if all good my
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book I i approve but i would certainly
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use facetime by as my default modus
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operandi and then if for some reason i
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need to video shows an Android user then
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that's what do I was four I just get
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different friends know it's only a
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different family too and I try to keep
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you can you can pick your nose you can
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become less pounds now you're gonna keep
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my phone because I keep all sorts of
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apps on iphone i really do through and
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clean stuff out but that I'll probably
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keep it cool
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