The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► it is so hot in this room and so he mad [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► the humidity has been brutal here it's [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► only 77 degrees and i'm dying in this [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► room because it's so humid and of course [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► the product 90 degrees in his room [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► I feel great air-conditioning's on I [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► haven't put my slippers on mid-show [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► cause my feet were getting a little bit [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► cold [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► we should probably actually get started [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► no that's making on the show none of it [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► not come on no yeah so here you know how [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► I'm gonna make you put some of that in [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► the show [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► watch this hey speaking of cars we [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► should probably do some follow-up [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► starting with more reasons for qnx akc [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► do we have any follow-up he just said [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► that so Casey do we have any follow-up [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► who he should probably start with the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► follow-up Marco that your you make an [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► excellent point and we had an individual [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► right in with more reasons for using qnx [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► and these actually were the to my ears [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► and eyes the best reasons I've heard yet [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► and what if we basically boiled down to [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► was incredibly fast boot times were in [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► poor generally important for cars [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► because you don't want to say have to [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► wait until you're five minutes down the [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► road before your air conditioning or [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► radio turns on or something like that [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► and the other reason that this [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► individual gave was you know if you [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► think about it the instrument clusters [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► on a lot of cars are often driven by [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► some sort of display or perhaps driven [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► by signal that's coming off some [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► connects derived computer and those need [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► to be real time I mean that data needs [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► to show you exactly how fast you're [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► going right freaking now and so having a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► real time I was like you index makes [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► that sort of thing a lot easier by [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► Tesla's system is not based in qns i'm [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► pretty sure it's just some kind of linux [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► and you can tell like you can tell you [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► did because like you know something like [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► again like that last one like most of [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the time it works fine but sometimes [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► like we were of state and and I heard we [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► were driving around found out directions [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► and the map is getting a little bit [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► wonky like it was starting to like flick [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► out and slow down a little bit and like [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► not update quickly enough and that's [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► that's great to like you know when [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► you're following a map to enter my turn [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► and just doesn't update so you're [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► looking at like the last turn from 30 [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► seconds ago instead that's fun and then [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► there's one point where it made the turn [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► signal clicking sound when the turntable [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► wasn't on a what there was in one of the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► like I described last episode that I've [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► had to reboot it three times so far over [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► the three or four months whatever it is [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► one of the times that i had to reboot it [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► immediately before hand the turn signal [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► was not clicking like it would turn on [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► and the light with the indicator blinks [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► in the dash but you wouldn't have a [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► click noise so obviously the clicking [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► noise is made by the center console [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► computer like that it's adding it to the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► sound system and all likelihood anyway [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► so so the sims one of the symptoms I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► knew something was wacky this time was [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the turn signal noise started clicking [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► when a certain terms of was not on i was [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► driving straight down a road ahead and [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► text it like that was it [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► it's so that i rebooted again DX [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► goodness so yes I i would apprehend [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► anyone it's not booted the turn signal [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► does not like one is rebooting you can [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► turn and ended the indicator on the on [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► the dashboard did blink when it was when [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► it when the computer is booting like it [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► was still blinking and so I assumed this [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► signal is still on i hope the light was [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► still blinking outside the car but [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► there's no sound again it's like one of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► those things where like when you tie [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► these things to software that you know [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► II you are at the whim of the software's [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► stability responsiveness up time you [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► know it's similar to like one of the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► things that that I didn't like so much [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► for the Apple watch is so many at so [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► many interactions are tied to force [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► touch and when you when you push really [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► hard on the watch face too [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► and you expect that button click even [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► though it's not really a button even [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► though it's all fake and simulated you [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► know you expect that better click back [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► immediately as if it were a button and [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the same thing with all the force touch [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► trackpad like they have the same the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► same requirement like it has to respond [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► like the physical object that it is [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► mimicking right has to be quick it has [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► to be immediate [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► there can't be any delay on the watch [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► you know the watch is very slow hardware [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► wise and sometimes that sometimes the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► software gets coming up a little bit and [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► so you push and sometimes delay before [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► actually clicks back at you and it [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► totally breaks the illusion that makes [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► it feel broken or cheap or wrong or you [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► whatever the case may be and that's [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► actually one concern I have with the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► force touch home button that is rumored [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► to be in the next iphone that like you [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► know if you get if if you push that home [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► button and the iphone software is like a [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► little bit you know a little bit [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► overwhelmed or buggy or whatever if you [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► push that and you don't get a click feel [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► back first few seconds or at all like [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► that's gonna feel really broken really [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► quickly so anyway [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► similar thing with like this car stuff [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► like you know back to this follow-up [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► saying the QX is really good for boot [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► time and response times of interactions [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► like I totally get that and I totally [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► respect that because when you're tying [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► things to controls of physical object [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that makes a big difference my complaint [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► about the ancient iphone 6 that I'm [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► using is that I have a physical home [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► button and I press it and it always you [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► know goes in just like you said I feel [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that physical feedback immediately but [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► you know it doesn't happen immediately [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► springboard doesn't appear immediately [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that's what does it by clicking and then [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► look at my phone like what are you what [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► are you doing well I push the button [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► I'm know i know i push it because it [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► went in and then i went out and then [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► I'll ok now the animation starting i'm [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► getting picking my old age I don't know [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► getting picky [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► what you should really do to make it [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► seem like your phone is even older [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► instead of saying my old iphone 6 you [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► should say my first iphone which i'm [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► still using that's true yeah I don't [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► think my cell phone sex is getting [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► slower but i'm just getting less and [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► less patient for like when it doesn't [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► respond i mean and i know it's not just [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► being slowly my ipad pro then I points7 [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► driver was pretty darn fast i still feel [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► like when i hit the home button on that [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► sometimes I have to wait I want them to [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► be instant just wait for the new touch [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► ID sensor it's pretty damn fast [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► yeah I know I that use my wife so I know [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► that the touch ID sensor scans I'm just [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► saying like I didn't feel like sometimes [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► it's not responding to me as immediately [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► as it has I feel like it should [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► who knows anyway the other thing this [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► person to say about you know why why do [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► cars have crappy hardware we read some [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► other feedback from someone who works on [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► these systems talking about the how the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► car manufacturers want to save money and [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► pinch pennies and I said that was silly [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► couple of the factors that were also [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► mentioned many other people are really [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► very best [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► person is that this a long lead time on [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► hardware that goes into cars that [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► development cycles are really long so [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► they have to pick hardware that's [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► available like three years before the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► carbon comes out and you know maybe it's [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► even longer so maybe like four or five [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► years but I'm coming over to pick [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► something that is currently like 3 45 [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► years old by the time the ships in the [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► car and finally stuff in cars has to [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► operate extremes of temperature if you [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► ever left your phone on the dashboard or [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► even in a sealed cubby inside your car [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► like not in the Sun but just tried [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► taking your phone and putting it in the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► glove box or in the little console thing [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► anywhere inside your car on a hot day [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► when you come back [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► chances are good after being away for [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► several hours in the middle of the day [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► your device will refuse to function [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► because the temperature is too high and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the the chips in the car obviously can't [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► do that they have to continue working [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► even when they're like 250 degrees or [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► whatever and they have to continue [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► working on its negative 40 these are all [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► real temperatures not crazy Celsius [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► yeah haha similar like like if you ever [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► heard of like how slow the computers are [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► on satellites or the space shuttle [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► because like you know like you your [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► stories you know about like how they're [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► still running something that's about as [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► fast as like a 486 or something like [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► that and like the reason one of the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► reasons why they have to use such slow [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► types of hardware is that they have to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► operate in extreme conditions that would [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► just kill any you know like the chip [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► than an iphone and so it's similar but [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► less severe in a car [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► yeah that's their excuse but like still [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► it's a little ridiculous that you know [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► that the value is the washing machine [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► ships they're using like they're slower [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► than the ones in space probes the space [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► probes have powerpc 60 ones that are [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► like rad hardened in them and they're [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► using chips that are like from a gameboy [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► advance so it's see moresee that are [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► made a gameboy advance fast and that [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► anyway bottom line we have the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► technology we can make the hardware in [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► cars better and i think we probably want [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► to shorten up the the cycle time on that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► too i know it sort of all developed as [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► it as one big unit but you just can't [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► afford to do that if we have if a [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► manufacturer can show you in just a year [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► off of the cycle time and they can have [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► a year newer electronics that can make a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► big difference i think especially like [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► that as the as the infotainment systems [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► and even the instrument clusters and all [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► that stuff becomes a more important [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► differentiator for cars as a software [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► becomes like all of the products [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► software becomes more [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► important part of the whole the whole [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► product mixture the company that can [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► figure that software out is gonna have a [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► big advantage [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► alright tell us about audio sync in [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► quartz crystals which we've gotten a lot [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► of feedback about market you want to [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► cover this [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► yeah sure so basically so you know the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► last couple of days we discussed a while [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► back i discuss my my podcast tool to [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► automatically sync up tracks that were [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► recorded locally for each person [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► multi-person recording and then you know [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► sync it up to the master track because [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► if you try to import those tracks [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► manually you think it up the difference [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► in the in like the sense of time that [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► each person's audio interface had it [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► caused the problem called drift where if [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► you sink of our recordings like right up [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► front the beginning of the show an hour [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► in we might be out of sync by like half [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► a second or a second my microphone [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► interface the little you know converter [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► in it that samples the audio at 44100 [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► times per second has a very very very [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► slightly different interpretation of [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► what that means like have of how long a [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► second is or how how many times it has [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► to be then the one in cases of John's [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► computers and over time that very very [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► tiny error can add up to quite a lot and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► so this caused the problem of drift [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► we've gotten lots of feedback about why [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► this happens last episode I speculated [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that you're making these these [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► components physical components and any [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► little tiny bit of imprecision and [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► making them when you when you are taking [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► 44,000 samples per second over two hours [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► a very small variance in the clock [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► performance of two different physical [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► devices will cause them to to disagree [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► into drift over time like this [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► so my speculation was basically like [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it's not really possible to make [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► something that is that is cheap and a [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► computer like this that that is more [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► accurate than that and we have to deal [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► with it and we had lots of people right [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► in from the pro audio world and from [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► some people in from like the scientific [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► equipment world which is pretty cool [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► have pretty cool listeners also [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► confirming what I said last episode that [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that pro audio gear actually people are [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► going to say also pro filmed here does [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► similar things rather than trying to [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► like sync up a bunch of different audio [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► tracks afterwards and software from [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► different audio recording sources that [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► might be on a film set or a recording [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► studio they use the concept of a master [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► clock and they have like one device [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► whether it's a clock generator or just a [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► device that content has an internal [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► clock and progear has usually clock in [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► and clock out ports on the back of it [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and so you'd like to actually physically [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► wire all to each other and they like [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► coordinate the clock based on one master [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► source rather than each device keeping [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► its own clock and therefore reducing [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► this drift was a lot of people wrote in [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► saying that was true and then the best [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► feedback we got I I very casually [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► mentioned last episode that i had just [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► anecdotally found that laptops are [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► generally generally have more drift then [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► like a mac pro or a desktop or like an [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► imac and it turns out there's a basis [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► for this the quartz crystals that [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► vibrate at particular frequencies that [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► create these clocks these devices that [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► have to be so accurate they are very [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► dependent on stable temperature and if [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► you if they don't have a stable [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► temperature that are operating or even [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► if it's just two different operating two [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► different temperatures that can cause [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► these these very very slight differences [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► and laptops usually their internal [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► components usually operate hotter than [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► desktops and also fluctuate more and you [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► know desktops have much bigger heatsink [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► mechanisms they have usually larger fans [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► are spinning faster and pushing more air [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► of them so desktop to be cooled better [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► and so I think that alone might explain [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► that little thing that yes this is this [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► is a this is worse on laptops or when [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you have like one desktop on one end and [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► the other person other end is using a [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► laptop that might have more drift [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► between them then if both people reason [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► desktops or able people using laptops [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► and this is related to what I the the [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► reason i was i put the original feedback [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► and follow-up from like this seems weird [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► to me tell me we can make quartz [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► crystals that I can because I remember [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► him you know of [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► world of watches which i'm not that [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► involved in but they do you know the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► fancy mechanical Rogers obviously are [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► terrible keeping time because i have a [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► bunch of gears and stuff but like you [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► know and Tencent quartz watch keeps [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► amazing time for you know for an entire [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► year maybe we'll lose a second it's like [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► so how do you make a stupid plastic [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► quartz watch that keeps amazing time is [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► very accurate over the course of an [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► entire year but we can make a quartz [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► crystal for our computer that is equally [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► accurate and there are a bunch of [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► factors that have to go into that having [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► to do with the specifics of the quality [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► of the crystals or even for tents and [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► watch or whatever but one of our readers [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► a reader's whatever is road and tell us [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► that the advantage of watch has is that [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► is essentially kept at an even [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► temperature by being next to your skin [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► so you are essentially temperature [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► regulating the watch the entire time [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you're wearing it and that's the best [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► thing for a quartz crystal actually in [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► scenarios where they really want them to [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► be stable they put them in a little [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► every what they called it but they put [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► him in a little device that keeps it a [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► stable temperature so having a watch and [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► wearing it all the time keeps it [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► accurate much more elaborate than you [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► know a laptop that you're the [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► temperatures are going up and down and [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► you're putting it to sleep and you're [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► playing a game and it's just it's all [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► over the map so this is all very [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► explicable and now we should feel every [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► time you learn anything about the actual [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► analog physical world of components [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► inside your computer makes you feel [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► scared and so now you can know that uh [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► thing the regulating the clocks or [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► pieces of crap to and change all the [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► time you do it [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► yeah like whenever you learn about the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► analog component world lucky you start [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► like we we live in like this digital [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► world where we think everything is just [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► like you know one is just on 20 is just [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► off and of course when you get into the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► analog level of like the physical [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► implementation of these chips and these [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► components it isn't that simple and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► everything is kind of like tolerances [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► and variances an approximation and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► tricks and like it's kind of amazing all [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► the stuff we have works at all as [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► consistently as it does [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► yep i'm even just a clock like you learn [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► from like CPU design and even is [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► propagating the clock signal around the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► died of a large cpu is kind of it's kind [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► of sketchy at best of all sorts of [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► phase-locked loops and other things to [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► make sure that that actually propagates [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► everywhere and it's the same everywhere [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and you have delays and yeah so anyway I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► think we are now all completely [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► satisfied [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► that we understand why Marcus tool is [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► necessary in life [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► yep and speaking of in your quest to [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► avoid doing actual work you actually [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► filed radar [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► yes I did I'm very proud of you yeah do [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► you want to tell us about this okay so [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► last episode in the after-show I got my [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► time in the Sun or whatever the metaphor [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► is and but whatever floats your bubble [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► and so I got I got to finally explain [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the details of the mp3 file format and [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► the the efforts i was trying to do with [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► variable bit rate or vbr encoding and [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► why podcasts couldn't practically use [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► vbr encoding which basically boils down [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► to the method to seek a vbr file that [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► you don't have also like if you if you [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► are playing a stream and and the user [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► jumps ahead to a timestamp its way for [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► the stream you haven't downloaded like [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► the part of the file between those two [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► points [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you can't really know exactly what bite [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► position to jump to to get to know [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► timestamp one hour 30 without using [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► these look-up tables at the beginning of [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► the VBR file that just don't have very [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► much precision in mode in the current [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► standards are in the old standard [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► they're very precise and so over the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► course of it to our podcast you only [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► have in in the most common jump table [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► for i only have a hundred entries so you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► have you know minute precision at best [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► you know it might even be less than a [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► precision I've learned a lot since then [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► I did a lot of experimentation I talked [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► to a bunch of people and I learned a lot [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► about this so I was recommending the use [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► of this there's a 93 tag its abbreviated [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► MLT 4mp location lookup table and this [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► is basically a 93 tag version of the VBR [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► offset jumped able to tell you you know [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► which bites map to which time stamp so [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► you can jump between the file easily [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► without having to have down the whole [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► thing just you know skander manually the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► benefit of the id3 tag is that it can be [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► any size like the the VBR jump table [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► thing is restricted to the size of like [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► the one mp3 frame that they shoved it [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► into for compatibility reasons so it has [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► to be like basically below kilobyte or [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► so the id3 tag [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► can be anything you want to be so the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► id3 tag version this would be great [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► because you can you can basically have [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► arbitrary precision as much space as [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► you're willing to devote to this and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► like for me like i was able to encode [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► one second precision of the time stamps [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► with something like 16 kilobytes of a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► total jump table so for like a 45-minute [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► by podcast 16k for some table is fine [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and by having vbr you're saving like 20 [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► megs on the file size in a case of it's [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► totally worth the savings to embezzle [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► table so I also heard from Devon govorit [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► after recording last episode i [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► discovered a github open source project [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► called audio cogs and and there's a [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► group people who make JavaScript [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► implementations of decoders for mp3 AAC [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► a couple of the audio formats and a [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► whole audio player all written in [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► JavaScript that can act like decode and [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► play these audio formats entirely in [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► JavaScript and that support MLT tag [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► these property BR seek methods and [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► everything it's it's and if they didn't [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► it's an easy way for me to add support [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► to this like that i could then have my [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► sites web player switch to this and then [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► i would i would eliminate his problem [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► anyway so I heard from one of the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► authors of this devin govett we went [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► back and forth a few times [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► Devon informed me that the front offer [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► vbr I tag which is an alternative [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► version of the that stupid 100 entry [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► jump table is basically more precise [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► version that it still has to fit within [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► 1 mp3 frame but instead of being a [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► hundred bites it can be like 1.3 [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► kilobytes so that's like that's better [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► you know that's you have more space more [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► precision medicine experimentation with [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► that couple problems came up though [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► first discovered in the experimentation [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► going back and forth Devon that not only [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► does apples decoder not support the MLT [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► or the this VRI tag that has the more [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► precise version even that that stupid [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► little hundred bite version in the in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the King tag that we talked about last [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► apple doesn't use it there decoder [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► completely ignores it [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► it does read these tags to get the [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► duration of the files so it's it's [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► parsing them because the duration is [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► also one of the fields in these tags so [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► it reads them for the duration and if [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► you add them in a hex editor and you put [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► in duration you want their will show up [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► like a quick look at everything as a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► duration so we know it's reading them [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► but it completely ignores any of the [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► entries that are in these seek tables [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that tell it which bite maps two weeks [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► time stamp in any of these forms that [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► ignores all of them [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► this is bad so I basically wrote up a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► bug report and I i emailed some people [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► inside Apple to say like you know like [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► hey here's here's the problem having and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you know if if you guys would support [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► really any of these formats it except [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► for maybe that maybe the stupid hundred [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► white one but if if you support the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► front for bri frame or the awesome MLT [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► id3 tag either of those would provide [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► useful precision for to our podcast to [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► be able to seek reliably within within 1 [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► to 10 seconds of the desired point as [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► opposed to the stupid hundred white one [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► which is like a minute off and their [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► their estimation which is which could be [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► any amount off really and is frequently [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► like 32 34 36 seconds off anyways female [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► this around and I made a blog post [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► basically make as much noise as possible [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► about this issue because i've i've [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► realized I'm sorry for the massive [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► diversion here I i like talking about [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► like Randy apple stuff on a podcast [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► where doesn't get me in trouble and [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► where you guys can take me a little bit [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► and rebut me it's better for me to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► reserve my blog for issues of maybe [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► greater importance or more boring topics [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► or whatever else [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► my blog is a great way to spread a [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► message to people who don't always [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► follow me and that is often the problem [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► like when i get myself into hot water [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► it's often because a whole bunch people [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► who don't follow me and don't really get [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► my context are reading something that I [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► didn't write very well and where I [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► assume people would get my contacts and [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► understand me and they'd be the ones [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► reading it and that gets me into trouble [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► but something like this like we're [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► requesting you know that Apple implement [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► an esoteric standard of the mp3 file [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► format that's 20 years old that is [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► really boring and doesn't spread into [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► business insider or CNBC and there's not [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► much embedded really controversial [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► although hacker news found some things [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► but most people would not find this [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► controversial [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► so this is i think is a very good use of [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► my blog and kind of its helping inform [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► me like how i should use my various [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► outlets looking for anyway I found a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► giant bug report with example files an [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► example of why why their way of just [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► ignoring you seek tables for long BRB [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► threes was bad what you know what's bad [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► how you can fix it that's it that's [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► there's nothing has happened yet on this [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► front however i have gotten rumblings [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► here and there that this that this bug [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► report has traveled inside of Apple but [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that's all I know and I don't know [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► anything else that's going on with it [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► it is probably too late even if Apple [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► decided I was right and they want to do [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► this it is almost certainly too late to [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► get into iOS 10 or mac OS Sierra but I [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► would just love for this to happen [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► sometime soon and the main reason why I [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► can't do the audio cogs and the average [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► is like that the JavaScript version that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► is only about a minute ago the html5 [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► audio element can fetch a file from [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► basically anywhere but for javascript [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► file you were into all these cores [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► issues and you also you can't cross from [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► https to http and all this is like all [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► these restrictions of like you know for [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► various web security purposes all these [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► restrictions on what [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► javascript is allowed to fetch from and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► for me to be able to play podcast from [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► arbitrary podcast hosts i basically can [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► use this thing I could run a proxy but [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► if i do that then the podcasters don't [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► get unique hit information really so [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that's no good [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► so it's there's a whole bunch of crappy [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► reasons why I'd in practice I can't use [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► the JavaScript approach just decoded the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► whole file in java script and basically [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► wearing been working on decoders so I [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► i'm relying on Apple I have to if if if [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► podcast vbr ever going to happen [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► Apple has built in 30 coders that's it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► well but hold on so a couple of [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► questions here first of all let's assume [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► you did desired proxy it because this [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► was that important you for the web [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► client [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► why couldn't you proxy each request [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► individually I mean it's a it's a [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► credible bandwidth but is there any [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► other reason why you couldn't do that so [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► at least they're all of these hits our [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► unique just [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► coming from you and not the actual [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► person that's asking for him [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► the main problem with with that is that [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► even if you are connected the proxy such [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that every inbound request equal one [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► back and outbound request which would be [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► silly in general but in this case may [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► make sense right so even if you did that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► the requested still appear to be all [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► coming from one IP address [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► sure so and most know it's kind of a [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► hotly debated topic and the podcast of [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► like what counts as a download and you [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► know because there's it's as as with [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► most things it's complicated ahead so [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► you can't just say oh well let me hit [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► you get noticed work that way because [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► yeah it doesn't matter listen [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► necessarily so anyway most podcast host [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► have their own idea of what what damage [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► account as and most of them involve the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► IP address of the source in some way so [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it might be like you know a unique [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► downloads like one IP like the IP has to [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► be unique within a certain time interval [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► for it to count as unique download or [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► something like that like their there's [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► all these different tricks that people [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► do but basically if all the request came [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► from my single IP that was running the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► proxy it would not get people's statute [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► under count that being said i actually [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► already wrote and run one such proxy i [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► already have this and I designed exactly [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► this way and that has exactly this [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► problem and the only reason that I that [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it's not really a problem that hasn't [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► got me into any hot water with anybody [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► is because it's hardly ever used and I [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► designed it because overcast has a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► twitter card on any share link i have [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► twitter cards and so that it so if you [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► view that with overcast link on twitter [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► website or in any other client support [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► the cards which is very few of them in [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► practice i show a whole little overcast [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► embedded player and it works it's great [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► so you know you can stream into [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► timestamps it works perfectly like the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► website but tiny twigs cars require that [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► all assets loaded through them must be [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► served over https so i actually have [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► kind of like a little little function [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► like a mapping that many big podcast [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► host including libsyn our hosts many of [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► them have like just like a simple like [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► way to you can transform their they're [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► not they're insecure urls in to https [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► urls like [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► simple string replacement on certain [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► things and everything so like some hosts [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► i can just redirect with I could just [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► redirect that's fine but not all hosts [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► and so that so I actually run this proxy [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► that does this that follows redirects [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► and when it you know when it went to [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► host it knows about it can just keep it [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► continued along when it's not it does [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► that proxy of one-to-one connection [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► mapping exactly the way you think and [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► the only reason it isn't a problem for [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► either my bandwidth costs or people in [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► anatomy is that the cards get pretty low [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► usage relatively speaking i mean that [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► not a lot of people play podcast that [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► way as far as i know so that's the only [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► reason that works and to answer glasses [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► underscore in the chat room who said [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► send them something like the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► x-forwarded-for header that I do send [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► x-forwarded-for that is a header that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► that proxy is used to tell what they're [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► fetching from the the IP of the person [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► fetching it from them so it's kind of a [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► way to look forward [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► they're the source IP problem is you [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► can't trust that so if you have a [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► podcast metrics thing that is trying to [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► measure like unique IPS in an honest [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► fashion you can't really trust if [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► somebody sends you next 44 header and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you get a whole bunch of you get a whole [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► bunch of requests from one real IP but [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► that IP so i'm actually 40 these [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► requests from these other 10,000 ip's [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► you really can't trust that for purposes [TS]

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00:27:32 ◼   ► betterment is the largest independent [TS]

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00:28:13 ◼   ► already very low way lower than what you [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► think for most financial advisors up to [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► six months of no fees but going to [TS]

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00:28:23 ◼   ► / ATP betterment investing made better [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► ah so you had said before [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► well if Apple just implements this then [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► then you can start using it on the web [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► because the html5 audio tag along [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► Google's supported at cetera but what [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► about your beloved windows users or you [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► know next year is going to be the year [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► of linux on the desktop so what about [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► first of all we don't have that many of [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► them honestly like not a lot of people [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► video use windows and and use my app or [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► follow my sharing generated by my app or [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► anything else and i would love to change [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that because there are other users out [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► there i would love for more windows [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► people to see the share links from [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► overcast because that would mean that [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the share links are being spread far and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► wide and that's the whole point of the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► share links but reality is different [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► reality is that they they really don't [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► get much windows you look at all so [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► that's that's problem number one or [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► rather dodge number one where i can [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► dodge this issue but same reason why I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► never test my websites in IE because I'm [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► my audience my customer bases tend to [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► have such incredibly low IE or whatever [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► is called now what does it call now reg [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► reg reg anyway the the main reason why i [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► don't really need to care that much [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► about this problem for other browsers [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► other than like things that use apples [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► built-in decoders and my own app is [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► because it's only a problem for seeking [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► to time stamps that haven't been [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► downloaded that's it in it in all other [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► ways vbr mp3 to work great already [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► mentioned the same problem even if i [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► added support for it that it doesn't [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► matter because you have to wait for [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► everyone to upgrade to an operating [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► system that includes that support that [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► the apple just added in practice yes but [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► the amount of time i have to wait isn't [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► that much especially for podcast [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► listeners to a tech show like that [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► that's a pretty it's a pretty upgrad [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► group like the it's I we don't have to [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► wait that long [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► it even on the mac like I is probably [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► like their upgrade curves pretty good [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► but the mac upgrade girls has not been [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► great like you're a year and be like [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► fifty percent adoption which is better [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► than windows but still [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► for people who would see it again like I [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► don't have to worry about using my app I [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► control my app I can update my app I [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► have to worry about people who are going [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► to see the share links you know right [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► now the showings don't have big [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► audiences that they they get you some [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► and some people see them and that's [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► great i want to make them bigger because [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► I think podcast sharing could use help [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► and you know I mean everybody in [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► podcasting things pocket sharing can use [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► help but like I Here I am I actually [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► like I actually have something that does [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► help and I want I want to get bigger and [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► better but the reality is even if you [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► know if Apple had support suppose it [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► makes it into the next major versions of [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► OS x and iOS whatever you know not the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► ones coming out in a few weeks whatever [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► but you know next year or in the spring [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► or whatever else it will probably be [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► about a year after that before i can [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► reliably use it because at that point [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► you know it's gonna be way more than [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► half because first of all like the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► people who are seeing share links from [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► social media are going to be way more [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► likely be on mobile than on a desktop so [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► the slower adoption curve on Mac OS is [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► not going to be as big of a problem is [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► going to be offset by the large [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► proportion of those viewers who are [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► going to be on ir on iOS and and you [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► know android if if anybody can tolerate [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► me who's using android which is big a [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► big ask [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► so you know I think iOS is I was we [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► updated faster especially as Apple has [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► figured out how to make people upgrade [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► by adding emoji and messages tricks so [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► again like I think give it a year after [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► they add support and i think almost [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► anybody can responsibly do this and it [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► would be fine podcast listening if [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► anybody doesn't know Rob walks the CEO [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of libsyn look listen as a massive [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► podcast host that they've been around [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► forever and they host a ton of podcast [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► including this one and if you listen to [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they probably host a lot of other [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► podcast you listen to i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► all the really FM shows are hosted their [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► it so it's a very big podcast host and [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► they do a podcast forget what it's [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► called [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► I'll put in the show notes they do a [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► podcast where it's like tips for [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► podcasters and then something like once [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► a month the CEO of listen goes on there [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► and give stats of like podcast user [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► agents like what clients what platforms [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► are downloading podcasts and listen is a [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► pretty good source of this because they [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► host so many podcasts across so many [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► markets that isn't just like technically [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► any sense i can give you on like how [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► people use overcast is like how Apple [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► nerds who know who I am mostly use [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► overcast like the top podcast and [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► overcast are mostly text shows they're [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► not dead but if you look at the top [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► podcast in the world is mostly not text [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► shows so obviously overcast you so just [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► not representative of all podcasters out [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► there but listen stats are really close [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► I think I i would say listen stats are [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► probably the best representation we have [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► outside of apple and there are talking [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► of like you know how podcasters behave [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► in mass what the overall market looks [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► like and the stats they give I listen [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► and take notes every month and so he'll [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► make a split up here so the most recent [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► ones except for june seventy-seven [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► percent of listens on mobile devices and [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► every month that number increases so [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► already very mobile heavy iOS to Android [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► is a little little over three two one [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and that that reaches going down and [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► read is becoming more popular now [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► because people are finally building in [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► like android vendors like Samsung [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► finally building in podcast clients that [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► they weren't for a long time and so [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► that's that's adding a lot to the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► Android side but so basically but you [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► still have liked more than three times [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► as many people listening iOS and Android [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► and and only like twenty two percent of [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► listeners listening on computers so this [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► is a very mobile heavy market and a very [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► iOS heavy market so that's why I think [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► it's fairly responsible for a lot of [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► podcasters especially if you are in like [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the apple tech world like we are we are [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► audience is going to be even more skewed [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► towards recent apple platforms i think [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► one year after that support to this it's [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► totally safe to do and I might even do [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► it sooner that you feel optimistic about [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► them actually adding support or do you [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► feel like it's going to be two years [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► before this bug is closed as behaves [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► correctly [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► when I filed this bug in my bug reporter [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► it was next to two other bugs that have [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► been open forever my i'm lucky if i get [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► a response that I don't find that many [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► bugs with apple because the the the [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► effort on my side to feedback and [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► potential benefit i will get from that [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► ratio is so terrible like that you know [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► this took the better part of two days to [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► do things to do research properly to [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► like figure out that Apple didn't even [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► support these tags at all you know I [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► thought they were supporting least the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► crappy one they supported none of them [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► to anyone to to modify my these test [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► files to like you know right these tags [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► properly everything took a lot of work [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► to write a big turtle bug report it give [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► proper test coverage and everything it [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► takes a lot of time a lot of work and [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► usually I file bugs and they go nowhere [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► if i'm lucky they might be closed as a [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► duplicate and when they're closed a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► duplicate I believe I then lose any [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► visibility on that I forget what the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► Destiny change the reason anyway so the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► feedback loop is terrible for filing [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► bugs for Apple I you know people who [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► people who do it are good people they [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► probably floss you know that they're [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► probably very good people [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► I i have a hard time doing it most of [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► the time because again like I i see what [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► happens with the few but i do file and [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► they just they sit around forever and [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► they don't even get close [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► it's not it and and the few that do that [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► closed are often closed in a way that i [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► consider invalid like you know that [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► those they'll be still do something like [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► wearing clothes unless you tell us you [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► know really soon that this is still [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► happening on the news built of iOS four [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► a bug that I filed like you know six [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► months ago that is easily testable like [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► that they they clearly have a wide [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► variety of quality of people who go [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► through the bug reports and many of them [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► clearly just want to close as many as [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► possible that actually do any work like [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► the incentives are wrong there are you [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► saying you don't floss [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► so anyway uh I using file bugs because [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► I've had a very I've had a poor history [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► of of any response from apple on bugs [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► but this time i find it because i [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► figured basically nothing else I can do [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► I can't work around this like I i [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► mentioned the JavaScript and I tried [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► doing the javascript thing but you know [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► cause of all the cores restrictions it [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► and it makes it pretty much impossible [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► to use for an arbitrary set of hosts [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► that you don't control most of which [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► don't send course permission headers [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► already so that's a non-starter [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► you know i could write my own decoder in [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► my app that can calculate these offsets [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► but that's only one app and so for [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► something to make something like even [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► even our podcast that you would think [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► you know what percentage of people who [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► download our podcast you can listen and [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► overcast and a lot of people would [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► probably guess it's a pretty high ratio [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► and it is compared to overcast global [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► ratio I haven't looked recently but i [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► think it's something like sixty percent [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► that's still forty percent of our [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► listeners who don't listen overcast who [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► wouldn't have who would need [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► compatibility in this way you know for [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► for seeking and streams i basically the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► reason find this bug is that it's my [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► last hope to get BTR mp3's to be a thing [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► I think that'd be great if they were [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► thing I think it's ridiculous that they [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► aren't of thing yet but if there's any [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► hope of them being a thing it's [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► basically on Apple to do because if [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► apple doesn't do it nobody else can and [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► nobody else will [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► did you make a strong recommendation of [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► implement a specific one of these [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► because I if you just said oh here all [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► these things you don't support i can [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► imagine i'm supporting like that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► terrible one that only it gives you a [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► hundred points and then being like done [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► closed fixed [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► yeah you know that my report actually [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► reads a lot like the blog post i wrote [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► the book report first and edit to be a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► blog post but basically it's it's a you [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► know similar format and I I recommended [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► you know I i gave three options and I [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► said you know you don't post any of [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► these right now this old one is not is [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► not precise enough don't use this time I [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► and so I said basically the MLT tag will [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► be the ideal one to do because it can be [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► arbitrary length arbitrary-precision so [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that's the ideal one if you only pick [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► one pick that one [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► the farm for bri tag that's like 1.3 [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► kilobytes worth of stuff like that's a [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► good second choice like if you if you do [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► that i'll be happy but the best one to [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► do will be the MLT tag [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► I wonder if they don't support it not [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► out of laziness because like you said [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► they are actually parsing the durations [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► out of them but for kind of for the same [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► reason related to something else set [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► another why why webhost can't trust [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► x-forwarded-for maybe they're afraid is [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► going to people with garbage data and [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► then they're afraid all I can expose [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► you know exploits in there like a buffer [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► of lower something because they put [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► crazy offsets in there and then trigger [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► but who knows i don't know that type of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► thing where it is or they just don't [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► trust the the encoders to put good data [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► in there they don't want to try to read [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► garbage data these are solvable problems [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► like you know make your your thing not [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► have silly buffer overflows and sanity [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► check the the offsets in the map and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► make sure they seem reasonable before [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► blindly following may be disregarded it [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► looks like line noise but I do wonder if [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► someone did have to write the code pull [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► these durations out of there [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► why do they do that and like while I'm [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► in there why don't just actually parse [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► this whole format and just implemented [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► you know so I mean your concerns are [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► that are totally valid and I can I can I [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► can completely understand how like it [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► wouldn't surprise me at all if if there [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► was an engineering meeting at Apple some [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► ridiculous amount of time ago like [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► somebody was like yeah you know what we [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► we could parse these things out but the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► data might be wrong and if we just do [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► this like you know percentage of time to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► byte offset thing that we kind of like [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► an approximation like that'll be close [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► enough and it will be consistent and so [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► if there is you know there's a school of [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► thought that says like you should know [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► you you should override the the stupid [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► mp3 encoder because who knows what [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► garbage and you're gonna get there and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► you could just do your thing but and and [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► you know just make it so that it works [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► it works its kind of clothes for short [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► songs and then it doesn't matter anymore [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► that's good enough for scrubber work [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► like that they want the scrubber like [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► when you're removing scar around anyway [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► it's probably like an inch on some [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► webpages you can't tell if it's like [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► what pixels on forever but for your [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► specific use case which is no no I'm not [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► had someone's not dragging the scrubber [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► here i'm putting it off set in the URL [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► down to the second i want that precision [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► out of it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► hey YouTube does it you should do it too [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► exactly yeah like so you know that there [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► is an argument to be made there but you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► know a they're already reading the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► duration of these tax even if they have [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the whole file they still read the [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► duration from that header and so if you [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► put garbage generation as it did during [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► testing it says alright yeah sure this [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► file isn't you know nine minutes long as [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► that of an hour like it's happy to use [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► that value so it's already trusting it [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► on some level also like mp3 encoder [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► don't change that much like they it's [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► there's very few that are actually in [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► active use today and they all right good [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► data like this isn't nice [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► b7 anymore like we we have solved the [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► mp3 encoder problem mp3 encoder is work [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► and they work well and there are next no [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► one else besides me is going on with a [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► hex editor messing with these values [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► like that here I can't like total [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► garbage on a regular basis so I i think [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► what's what's more likely to have [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► happened is that maybe these decoders [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► were written a very long time ago maybe [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► around that time frame when the world of [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► mp3 was still very much in flux and you [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► had crappy encoders in like the late [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► nineties and maybe they just haven't [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► revisited since then because there [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► wasn't a reason to that is the move that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► is the way more likely explanation for [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► this is like this is very old code that [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► no one had any justification of touch [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► for a long time it works it well enough [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► so fine and that's why I think [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► ultimately it probably won't get done [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► because I would be surprised if anybody [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► was really motivated to devote you know [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► a limited people have limited time so [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► who's going to devote time to this out [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► of there like engineering time budget [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► inside Apple when they might have more [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► pressing things to worry about with like [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► supporting the new bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the next iphone you know I think that if [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► anything else baby somebody working on [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► is probably more important than this to [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► apples overall corporate goals and SP [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► just supposed to be an AAC anyway it's [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► the future just use a different standard [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► format and those uh the the offset [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► things that can be all the front of the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► file [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► yeah I love that magnetars thread that [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► just use a different format does not [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► solve all your problems that you know is [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► the best yeah all things you think you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► can for example doesn't get your own [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► doesn't solve all your problems and then [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► I guess make every encoder on the planet [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► understand your new container format [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► will be fine [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► yeah this has been a lot of time on this [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► topic I'm sorry to everybody who doesn't [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► care [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► you probably not long ago but we [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► actually got a decent response on other [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► people actually enjoy hearing hearing [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► about all this crap I'm very surprised [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► by that actually but i guess our [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► listeners are are both cooler and [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► geekier than I then I would have assumed [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► they were definitely cooler here i'm not [TS]

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00:44:34 ◼   ► trackr and your phone makes a beep sound [TS]

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00:45:15 ◼   ► so John if the cell signal at your house [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► is so crappy why not and why not enable [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► Wi-Fi calling and solve all your [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► problems [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► the first reason I didn't enable this is [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► I didn't think my carrier supported it [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► but I was just looking at the wrong [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► place in settings for some reason I had [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► in my head that just ended only a tease [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► apart this is not verizon but not [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► verizon sports too [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► of course I've never gotten where the [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► setting is but anyway it's in there [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► somewhere you can find it but the second [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► thing is when I turned it on and like [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► okay alternate wanna give it a try it [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► makes you enter your physical address [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► because once you're on Wi-Fi calling if [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► you call 911 911 can immediately tell [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► where you are because you're you're [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► coming from the internet [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► essentially they can get a location for [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► you which is kinda weird because you can [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► get locations from Wi-Fi base station [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and everything a lot of things use a and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► use those that big map of base station [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► mac addresses physical locations and [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► stuff to help a location awareness but [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► anyway does what iOS says please enter a [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► physical location so when you call 911 [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► if you can't if you're too injured to [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► speak into the phone or whatever [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► don't worry about that will come to this [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► address but of course that means that if [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► you go someplace else and you're on [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► Wi-Fi so you're working your own Wi-Fi [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and you call 911 and don't get a chance [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► to tell them where you are they gonna go [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► to your house [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► that's my understanding anyway of what [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► this message telling me after this [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► address here if you call 911 this is [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► where people go to but I didn't enable [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► it because I'm like well then i have to [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► remember to turn off Wi-Fi calling when [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► i leave my house because then if i call [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► 911 people go to my house instead of [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► where I am so that's one reason why i [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► didn't believe in on the second reason [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► is this is the stupidest reason that the [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► reason i think is only vaguely so I but [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► this reason is really done but [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► nevertheless is a reason everyone has [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► their reasons this is mine [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► it changes the thing that appears in the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► status bar to make some ugly thing that [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► says like VZW whatever it doesn't say [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► like the horizon [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► fit Wi-Fi fan symbol it says different [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► words like in all caps and looks away i [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► don't like it that's a reason like I can [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► understand even though i think it's a [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► little ridiculous the whole address [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► thing fine whatever but because you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► don't want to look at VZW in your status [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► bar that's your reason you you try to [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► turn it on and see what it does to your [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► status bar i use AT&T like a gentleman [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► and so it says AT&T Wi-Fi but it gets [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► rid of the fan thing isn't it or maybe [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► know anyway it changes what's the status [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► bar I didn't like it [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► location 1 is that is the larger reason [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► but I was kind of glad that I had a [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► legit reason why did it look at that I [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► could status bar anymore [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► it would be nice if like I was intense [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► movie would be and is enhancing would be [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► only used Wi-Fi calling when connected [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► to this base station i would like that [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► setting don't mean because then I could [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► say use Wi-Fi calling when connected to [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► my home base station but never anyplace [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► else and they don't have to worry about [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► this then i get my home address to my [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► home base station but no and anyway [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► after I made the decision I made a [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► couple of successful voice coil calls [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► from my house where people could [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► actually hear my voice so maybe a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► verizon loves me for coming back to them [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► and not using this filthy Internet [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► calling ok alright well I don't even [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► know what to make of that that he asked [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► that's moving on Graham Spencer's as [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► indicated that Google and Facebook and [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► others also do a charity match on bug [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► bounties so just FYI and did it before [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► Apple like it [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► most people didn't write into a to gloat [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► about how all these other companies that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► have been horrible but they totally did [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► anybody actually topics tonight or is [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► this all follow-up we're getting there [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► that there's topics down there believe [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► me don't worry we gotta bring another [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► podcast like two days I don't know that [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► that's true to its somebody had to go [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► all deep on the mp3 stuff but actually [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► it's very entertaining and I enjoyed it [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► so I shouldn't give you a hard time any [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► imagine how much dead space we have and [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► it like the topic and everything this [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► week if I didn't do it [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► it's fair you don't know what's lurking [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► down there and topics there's all sorts [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► of stuff is there more about evil [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► yes there is actually really yes I'm so [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► excited [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► alright well hopefully will run long [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► enough that we won't get there I mean [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► anyway let me tell you about my imac [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► yeah it has it it has been rebooted I [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► did it on purpose [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► it ran 21 days on the stock ram without [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► a UPS and without a GPS I've gotten in [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► contact with max lwo dude [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► owc whatever they call themselves and [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► have requested and i'm told that I'm [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► receiving a RMA return merchandise [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► authorization so I think that stands for [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► you i think what they're doing is [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► sending me a box to send the ran back in [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► and they said they will replace it [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► posthaste [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► I have plugged into the UPS i have [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► pulled the UPS power and seen the imax [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► day on for at least long enough to make [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► me feel better about myself i did not [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► leave it disconnected long enough to see [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► whether or not the technology would be [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► smart enough to shut itself down but i [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► believe i have those settings squared [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► away in this technology so it should [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► shut itself down gracefully the imac [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► won't but you know I'm used to that this [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► point anyway hail so anyway I i am [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► running still on the eight gigs of stock [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► ram until I receive my new new batch of [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► owc ram i will try that if that doesn't [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► work then i will probably very politely [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► but very sternly ask for my money back [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► and get crucial ram which the entire [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► Internet has written to tell me is the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► only ram i should ever really buy and so [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► I think crucial buyers any different ram [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► the notary set forget someone at one [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► point sent me a long email telling me [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► about the different bins of who buys the [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► good chips versus the cheaper chips and [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► I think Chris was in the same thing with [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► that bc but anyway I've bought OBC ran [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► for years and like i said i think the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► last time i had owc thing go bad [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the chip because my computer is ancient [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► the chip the the the ram the dam was [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► like four years old five years old maybe [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► was six years old like whatever it is I [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► just I just assume like well it's so old [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► whatever warranty or whatever they had [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► it must be completely gone by now but i [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► just called not acceptable son you know [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► like I don't know if they have like a [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► forever lifetime of this Ram everyone's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► bad they'll just replace it forever and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► ever and I know it's a hassle to return [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► if you have to keep returning it's a [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► pain but I've had them last for years [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► and years and then go bad years later [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► and then [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► send me a new one it's things like [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► miraculously like try doing that with [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► the hard drive for example him a hard [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► drive died after six years can I get a [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► new one haha nothing like almost all ram [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► has a lifetime guarantee like almost all [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► around that you would buy separately [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► from computer like yourself [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► they almost all have lifetime guarantees [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► but it's you know it's up to the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► retailer or the manufacturer to make [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► that a good or bad experience if you [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► actually have to clean it and I too have [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► had only good experiences with obviously [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► rama i don't use anymore now I just by [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► my computer with my friend from apple [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► because I'd rather not deal with anymore [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► and the odbc ram when i was using it [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► because up until like two years ago was [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► always great i had to I had to return it [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► one time and that was you know one time [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► in something like eight years of using [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► it i think it's pretty good yeah and I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► mean they've been really good about it [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► so far I didn't expressly reach out to [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► them they reached out to me at twitter [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► i'm not entirely clear how they caught [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► wind of the fact that I was having [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► issues but they just basically said hey [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► can you send us an email and we'll talk [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► about it and I said hey here's the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► situation and I spelled it out and said [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you know it did it had been rebooting [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► every week look at this it's now running [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► for 20-some days at this point I feel [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► like it's the ram so they said yeah [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► you're probably right i will get you in [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► RNA and we will replace it immediately [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► I don't know how they heard about this I [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► just I just told 80,000 people about it [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► for a month and somebody told them well [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► but what I mean is I don't recall having [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► seen anyone like mention me and them on [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► Twitter maybe that did happen i just [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► missed it but it seemed like they came [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► out of the woodwork as opposed to [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► somebody tagging them to to kind of wave [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the flag in their face and say hey [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► should pay attention over here so i'm [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► not sure how that came to be but you [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► know hey I'm happy that they reached out [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► i'm happy that they seem to be more than [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► happy to replace the ram because I mean [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► like you were saying earlier i bought [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► this room in january i looked up my [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► order number and i forget when I was in [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► January but it's still january i mean [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that was somewhat long ago and I guess [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you know most things have a year [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► warranty but I don't know it it it's [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► nice of them to not fight me on it [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► because I'm used to most retailers being [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► like well are you sure it's the rain [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► manish take it to apple for stats etc [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► and they were like no no send it back [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► we'll get your ram so I said you didn't [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► have to wait for someone to hear it into [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► it you could have just called them on [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► the phone all you gotta do is tell them [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► you have bad ram and just like last time [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► I call from like I said it was years [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► after i bought it i said i've got a bad [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► dream it's okay read the serial number [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► ok we'll send you a box like that was it [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► there was not even give them a reason it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► was dead [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► yeah and i truly hand on heart was [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► planning on calling sometime this week [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► and then right as i decided no it's been [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► long enough i'm happy while not happy [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► that i am satisfied with my my [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► scientific experiment that around that [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► time when I'd finally concluded that was [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► the case that's when they reached out [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► were like hey what's happening so that [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► was my plan [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► Marco I am deeply sorry but I have to [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► ask john tell me about tivo lifetime [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► service please respond to this week by [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► automatic the small adapter that turns [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► your clunker into a smarter connected [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► car go to automatic calm / ATP for more [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► info [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► automatic has just launched the [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► automatic pro their new unlimited 3g car [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► adapter with no monthly fees and no [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► subscription no service charges you just [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► pay once up front for the automatic pro [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► and you don't pay anything per month to [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► use their services and their abilities [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► now the automatic pro includes always [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► their 3g connectivity to let you know [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► where your vehicle is parked at any time [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► and let you track your vehicle in case [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► of theft and of course is build on what [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► automatic has been doing for years [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► it works with if this then that for [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► endless customization taking your car [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► the rest of your life you can do things [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► like automatically turn on your nest [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► thermostats when you're nearing your [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► home and of course tons of other [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► abilities that you can do using it this [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► than that and the automatic API in [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► addition of course automatic provides [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the built-in functions they always have [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► things like gas mileage tracking [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► reaching your goals 484 fuel economy [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► tracking your expenses for businesses so [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► think it image of apps such as [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► concurrent Expensify to be able to track [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► costs associated with your driving there [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► are so much you can do with automatic [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► and of course now with automatic pro it [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► has always on 3g connectivity which [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► makes so many of these things even [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► better and possible automatic can also [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► call for help in case of a crash it [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► detects severe accidents and if you [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► aren't able to respond [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► a train responder will call for help [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► because you can't no automatic is [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► normally a hundred and twenty nine [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► ninety five foot and use our exclusive [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► offer code ATP you'll save twenty bucks [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► so it makes it about a hundred and ten [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► dollars great deal [TS]