The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► so are you recording in a format that is [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► not just call recorder [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► nope start recording in a format that is [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► not just call recorder you're just [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► asking me to mess things up [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► oh because you're afraid he's gonna pull [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► Casey hmm my UPS last for at least five [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► minutes i'm actually plug into it so yes [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► yes I hear the truck to hear it here [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► drivers driving away would say maybe [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► it's leaving [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► yeah i think it's driving away alright [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► so a job market just asked John if if he [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► could start a crash resilient sound [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► recording programs so that if this truck [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► was doing some sort of electrical work [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► and suddenly the power went out it would [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► be a big deal because John hopefully and [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► would be using something that isn't call [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► recorder like i was using my Mac crapped [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► out which i can tell you why that [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► matters if we ever get to talk about the [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► mp3 file format i would love to do that [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► actually but anyway it's the John it [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► said to Marco well it doesn't matter [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► because my UPS last for at least five [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► minutes and I'm plugged into my UPS that [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► that's how I said it was an accurate [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► reproduction that is a completely [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► flawless reproduction it was effectively [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► verbatim only was recorded oh yes it was [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► in my end of my phone recorder recording [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it will successfully make it a disc [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► anyway I bring all this up because not [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► 20 minutes ago I was sitting at my imac [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► knowing that i'm going to be going out [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► of town and thinking to myself I don't [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► know what to do because i really want to [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► let this thing run for another week and [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► see if it if it reboots itself and if it [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► doesn't I think at that point i will [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► personally be fairly convinced that the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► OEM ram is good and that the owc ram was [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► bad but i'm probably going to be using [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► plex at some point the Plex server is [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► the imac if this thing turns itself off [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I don't have any mechanism to turn it [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► back on [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► should I turn it off and plug it into [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the battery part of the PS i don't know [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► it i decided not to because I went into [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► system preferences and confirmed that [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► little check box that reads so start up [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► automatically after a power failure in [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► so i'm just going on faith that either [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► we won't have a power failure [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► or if we do the mac will start itself [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► back up and somebody in the chat is [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► asking you don't shut down your machine [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► at night like the rest of us now this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► thing is on always i turn the screen off [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► yep i'm an exact same way no one should [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► be shutting down their machines at night [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► anymore ever [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense but to be fair I [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► there's there's no reason not to i guess [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► now there is there's a pretty big reason [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► they do use a good amount of power but [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► you know the probably ideal balance [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► between like functionality and power [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► savings is sleep mode to actually put [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► this to put the machine to sleep not too [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► deep hibernation mode but regular sleep [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► mode that is like I think a great [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► balance for most people want to put it [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► slip your energy saver settings to do [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► that for you after one hour of idle time [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► go to sleep or whatever [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► yeah but not that I don't want that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► happening during the day though when I'm [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► awake because at any moment I might want [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► to do something on this mac remotely and [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► yes I could do wake-on-lan blah blah but [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that's what scheduled sleep before then [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► if you know you know scheduled to go to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► sleep at 11pm everyday i wake up at 5am [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► and you're fine don't know that was the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► thing that's the thing [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► oh yeah schedule that's how i do my back [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► plays backups my computer wakes itself [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► up at around three a.m. and does [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► backblaze and then go to sleep so I [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► don't actually run continuously all day [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► I just do like nightly backups [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► interesting this is that it is always [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► from the wake up is the mac feature and [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► then back with you to stay put me just [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► put to sleep when it's done now back [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► place has its own independent schedule [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► which is the run continuously or choose [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► when you want me to run so i have I two [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► independent schedules that I just [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► synchronize good old Quran style say the [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► mac wakes up to 3 or the mags up to 55 [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► and back play starts at three and yeah [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► so every day you're ruining five minutes [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► of power user 0 of your computer use [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► wasting that power 15 minutes to stay [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► awake for like an hour i like to do all [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that stuff to do it during that time [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► probably just time machine backups and [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► like power nap is like think predates [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► are postdates my mac but power an apple [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► have things wake up from their sleep in [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► due time machine backups oh and check [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► mail and stuff that doesn't help that [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► place although technically if it wakes [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► up to the time machine back place will [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► also run if you have a set to continue [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► anyway the point is scheduling feature [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► is part of rs.10 it's been there for [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► years and years and years you should use [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► its cool yeah I probably should sleep [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► this thing at night but I just never do [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► I me and I say that only because nothing [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► is happening on it while I'm sleeping i [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► mean i guess the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► one of you guys or maybe like Jason's [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► Nelson sees three hours in the past [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► might be trying to watch something off [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► of my plex server that I've shared with [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► you guys but in principle there's a [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► reason I shouldn't just let the things [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► sleep at like midnight or one o'clock or [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► something like that and wake itself back [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► up at a at like six or seven in the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► I mean you can use that as like your own [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► kind of like political statement of you [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► know you should really go to bed like [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► stop watching top gear of my flexor need [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► to go to sleep well I just thought it [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► was funny because I was having this this [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► internal debate with myself about [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► whether or not i should move the mac [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► onto the battery side of ups and once [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► once i have it should only be a question [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► of when not whether wrote short and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► that's exactly what I was about to say [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► actually once i have my data point with [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► regard to the OEM ram at that juncture i [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► will move it over to the battery side of [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► the UPS but I don't want to mess with [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► anything until that i am still a little [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► concerned that there was that one seeing [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► GP related failure like a day after you [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► put the stock ran back in that is that's [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► like the only thing that's weird about [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► this to me that says like maybe this is [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► more a more complex problem but the fact [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► that it hasn't happened all at all in [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► what three weeks or something and it was [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► happening about every week like it's [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► correct that is a pretty strong you know [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► switch over there so I i'm not entirely [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► ready to say it's definitely the ram but [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► i'm probably about ready to say you [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► should always get the ram swamped [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► yeah and basically as I've said in the [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► past [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► all I'm doing right now is trying to get [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► a data point so that i can go to owa owc [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► and cermak sales where the hell they're [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► called and say hey listen you know I was [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► having reboots once a week up with the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► OEM ran back in it ran for blank without [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► a reboot [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► I'm pretty confident it's the ram can [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► you send me new sticks and actually i [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► don't have the individuals name handy [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► but somebody had sent me a couple of [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► tweets over the last couple weeks saying [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► that they had similar issues with owc [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► ram and ended up returning it i think [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► now and I presume at this point I'm well [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► out of the return window because I got [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► this computer in January but anyways I [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► they said that they had gotten crucial [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► ram instead and thus far it had been [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► flawless although to be fair to only [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► been [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► few days at that point so I think what [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► I'll try to do is I'll try to do a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► return on the owc ram assuming my test [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► plays out the way I expected well and [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► then if that Ram has similar issues at [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► that point i'll probably either asked to [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► return it or i should say an exchange or [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► whatever and then i'll ask to return it [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► if it if the new hypothetical ram has [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the same issue and maybe just get like [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► you know crucial ram or something like [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► that anyway we should probably do some [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► follow-up is john doing less rentals [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► yeah i got an email today that this is a [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► reminder from lens rental com this is a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► reminder that your rental and yesterday [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► in our system indicates that has not [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► been sent back to us so i was surprised [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► by this email because first of all my [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► rental didn't end yesterday it ended on [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► monday and yesterday was Wednesday and I [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► sent it back on monday and of course [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► when i sent it back i got a receipt from [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► the fedex place and take a picture of [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► the receipt with my phone so as soon as [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► i got this email I could immediately [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► reply with a picture of my received the [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► tracking number that if they were [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► entered into the fedex website they [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► would see was on truck for delivery back [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► to their place in Missouri or whatever [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► they are and my question is to market [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► was down the shore did I do it wrong am [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► I supposed to enter my tracking number [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► after i returned am I supposed to go to [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the website and click a button that say [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► that I shipped it back that I messed [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► this up somehow [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► you didn't mess it up at all basically [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► something messed up that doesn't usually [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► do that anyway they don't have that they [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► don't have the lens i want to rent for [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► Morris vacation so I'm kind of upset [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► about that will show what lens is it [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► it's a lens that I probably don't want [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► to buy because it's a thousand dollars [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► and it's a trying to find like a zoom [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► zoom that I wouldn't want to buy because [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► it's like a compromise but it's a pretty [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► good compromise this is the sony vario [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► tests artiste re60 into 70-millimeter [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► it's a very compact zoom it's like if [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► you wanted to have one lens on your [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► camera on vacation [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it takes decent pictures at many ranges [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and has a pretty good zoom range not [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► really really big zoom but you know [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► pretty wide to pretty close up and folds [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► back to a small size [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► this looks like a good lens for that but [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► then it's also a thousand dollars and do [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► i really want to spend a thousand [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► dollars on a zoom lens that isn't [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► optically that amazing but it really is [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► very flexible and it's much smaller than [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the zoom lens [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► it's i'm thinking of renting that and [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► just buying some problems with the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► camera [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► yeah i mean honestly and I was actually [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► very pleased we got a lot of feedback [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► from other photographer so far basically [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► saying that they too and these are some [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► some pro photographers that they too [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► only on primes and and some of them said [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► I occasionally resume for like an event [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► but for the most part there's been a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► number of people who basically saying [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that they agree with with my plea last [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► episode 2 please consider only using [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► crimes and please at least get the 50 [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► prime equivalent for your system they [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► were actually quite a lot of of those i [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► was that was very nice to hear so I so [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► it does seem like you are looking at i [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► also have to mention last show if you're [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► not looking at the sony system i would [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► also give serious consideration to the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► fuji xt line or X Pro Line like there's [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► there's the xt-1 that a lot of people [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► loved i believe the xt 2 is now out or [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► at least it's about to be out the the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► whole fuji x-trans sensor thing is kinda [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► cool and has some pretty cool advantages [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► so i would strongly recommend if you [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► don't want to jump all the way up to [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► Sony's a 6300 / j7 price ranges consider [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the fuji exline because it is I i have [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► not had any experience with it but it is [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► very well-regarded and a lot of people [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► like that a lot at the slide at the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► slightly lower price point people trying [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► to talk about the micro four-thirds [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► already know I'm totally aware of all [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► these things I think I've read every [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► single review on dpreview for every 2016 [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► camera at this point so I'm very aware [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► of the things and you know i'm i'm [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► pretty settled on the sony body i'm [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► willing to pay the extra money for the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► action and like it's a camera that I [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► used like I you know it's a known known [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► at this point i rented i use that I [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► liked it [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► the Fugees are less expensive but I [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► don't mind the extra cost for the body [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► especially when i'm looking it cleanses [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► at all costs a bazillion dollars anyway [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► still no purchases maybe I'm thinking [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► about also worth pointing out as one [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► person do that I also neglected to [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► mention last episode the the lenses that [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► I by are the full-frame lenses the fe [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► line in Sony's parlance John would not [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► need to buy the fe Lenzi could buy the [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► crop sensor a lens's and so I like the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► lens you were just mentioning John that [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that is not available in full frame [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► there is no equivalent to that for full [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► frame i know that's why that's why it's [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► a good [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► friends like it's perfect for my camera [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► that's why it's versatile lens for my [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► camera is like you don't want I don't [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► want to pay the amount of money i have [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► to pay for a full-frame version of the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► same lens and I don't want the size that [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► would bring so here's the lens made [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► specifically for my size sensor that is [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► very compact that has a good zoom range [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► is optically pretty good [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► exactly yeah so for your needs [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► I i do recommend for most people that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► they like that if they have the budget [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► for one of these sony a7 series full [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► frame cameras to step up to it if you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► can because the quality difference is [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► immense [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► however for what you are using and 44 [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► your stated needs for zoom lens is [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► basically for really far-reaching but [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► also small and somewhat affordable zoom [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► lenses i would not recommend full-frame [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► I think you're making the right move by [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► not going full frame for that particular [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► reason but it pains me to say that I [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► would go full frame if the body wasn't [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► so I would go for the body wasn't so big [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► like I would sacrifice resume if the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► body wasn't so big and if the body [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► wasn't literally three times the cost [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► like it's not it's not a small price [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► type a couple hundred actually about [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► 3,500 bucks out what everyone wanted to [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► consider if if you don't want to go all [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the way to the three-thousand-dollar a7r [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► to the regular a 72 without the r came [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► out something like six to nine months [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► earlier and I i rented one of those [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► before it before his attitude to wait [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► for them by the a7r to it's a v8 the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► regular a 72 is not that much more money [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► than the day 6300 and it's not quite as [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► advanced in some of the newer stuff like [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► some of the video features and the focus [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► there i think there aren't as many fate [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► focus points on it i think and the burst [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► mode thing and it's bigger like and I [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► looked at it but the sensor for the a 72 [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► it is full frame and I think it's me [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► what you can get those things for what [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► like like 14 or 15 hundred dollars like [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the effort for what they are they're [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► incredible value right now because it's [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► kind of like last year's model but still [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► for sale basically that is a very good [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► by if you want full frame but don't want [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► to spend like three grand on it and [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► compared to always felt like if you want [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► full frame before the sony a series you [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► had to go like-for-like you know 5d mark [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► to mark 3 and those are those are like [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► 3,000 our cameras that you see the only [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► way to get full frame like that was like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the entry point for full frame was like [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► three-thousand-dollar cannon [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► big slrs to have something like the sony [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► a7 series and to have their full frame [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► sensor starting at like 1,500 bucks is [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► amazing for for quality photography and [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► for bringing it to people it's really [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► quite something I'm gonna do the kc [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► production and here's what's actually [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► going to happen [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna get this camera we're going to [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► use your fingers the new whatever [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► replaces your camera is going to come [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► out and or there's going to be a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► full-frame camera and a similar form [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► factor to the 6300 and several years [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► after buying this camera a bunch of [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► lenses i'm going to sell it all and by a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► full-frame mirrorless camera which may [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► or may not be room so nice I i know [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► that's gonna happen like it's inevitable [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► but i'm willing to spend the three or [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► four years now with this small camera as [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► a transitional phase [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► yeah that's totally fair honestly i [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► would bet against that feat that future [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► for you because like to come through [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► cheap no III fair fair [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► I mean that might be there might be a [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► factor here but I've been talking to you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► about cameras for like two years now for [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► three years now and you've never wavered [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► on the point of like I I like good [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► cameras but i will never buy one at that [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► nice i know because it's a money pit I [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► know I'm susceptible to this money but [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► it and my wife made me enter it and it [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► provides predicted once you have one and [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► use it a lot like just it's i know i [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► know myself I was trying to avoid this [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► particular money pit now easing into the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► money pit and also i feel like a camera [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► is like your camera is still a little [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► bit in transition [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► I feel like this whole mirrorless [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► revolution is kind of like just getting [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► going here and i wanna actually I really [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► believe that you could have a decent [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► full-frame camera with all of your [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► features in a smaller form factor that [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► has even better performance I think that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► is coming at the wait like five to seven [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► years i'm willing to wait and the 6300 [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► was really cool and I think all use that [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► way I I'm not sure to get that much [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► smaller honestly because they like like [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the the a7 line before the 272 a7r to [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► the regular a7 line was a little bit [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► smaller one of the reasons that had to [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► get bigger was the giant embody [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► stabilizer thing they're if you look at [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► there's actually a teardown on iFixit of [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► the a7r to there really is not a lot of [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► room in there too to shrink this thing [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► any further and also if they did shrink [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it further somehow that would probably [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► mean an even smaller battery and that's [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the last listing needs like this [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► plenty of room for more battery they [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► need to talk about Apple about scallops [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► batteries or something visible more [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► battery man and I mean you can't change [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► I'm totally willing to not have the [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► n-body stabilization like do the the [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► 6300 but with a full-frame sensor but [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► without the stabilization like anyway [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► I'm i believe in the future of [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► technology and I believe cameras will [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► get smaller and better and so i'm going [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► to wait it out and he even w if you [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► don't if you don't want the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► stabilization don't know how much is in [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► a7r forget the first day 7 are actually [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that's a contrast only you don't want [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► that but that's the old cameras slow [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► slow burst mode and not as good sensor [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► yeah you too you don't want contrast [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► autofocus nevermind exactly forget about [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► it anyway but we had enough camera talk [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► at some point i'll buy something then [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► we'll talk about it some more okay [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► alright good talk yeah we got a bit of [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► feedback with regard to qnx which is [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that real-time operating system and damn [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► Dodger believes gentleman's name that [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► was co-founder and is now working at [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► apple an anonymous source with two [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► different anonymous sources the first [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► told us that the 75 that Marco had my [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► 335 both the eye dr systems are running [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► on QX and this particular individual [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► also added that there really isn't any [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► requirement for real-time OS for [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► infotainment it just kind of happens to [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► use qnx kinda like the standard that [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► everybody does [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► yeah i was about to say that's [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► apparently fairly popular and [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► furthermore from what I understand the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► car play features that are in a lot of [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► modern cars that's as a lot of that [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► support happens at the QNX like os-level [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► even before like the eye dr here if you [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► will or level in the software and then a [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► different animal source wrote us a [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► really fascinating email which i'd love [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► to read the whole thing but I presume [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► John is called out a couple of parts [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that are that i'll read to you the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► biggest performance problem in car UI is [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► usually the embedded chips that used our [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► system has to work on 10 plus chipsets [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► by different manufacturers car companies [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► save every cent on their chipset the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► fact that some cars built today still [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► have less than 20 megs ram all the ram [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► costs almost nothing shows that [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► perfectly [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► as my head of engineering once said to [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► me they'd rather spend money on three [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► software engineers for two years trying [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► to get that system to run as efficiently [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► as possible rather than spending a few [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► dollars more in each chip and that's [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► because of the economy of scale that you [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► know when you're building 11 gazillion [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► cars a few dollars per car really starts [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► to add up and I just I mean it makes [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► sense but didn't really think of it that [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► way until this anonymous little bird in [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► and in and said that so I thought that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► was fascinating it doesn't make sense [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it's the exact definition of penny wise [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► pound foolish like well okay gonna think [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► like oh you're right about the math that [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► how it multiplies out but you're wrong [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► about their the car companies are wrong [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► about the value provided by having good [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► software the good software is an [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► important differentiation increasingly [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► important differentiator in cars and you [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► saving two bucks on that chip is not [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► worth the value lost to your brand like [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► all the people like Marcos that you get [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► drives us this you know really nice [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► Mercedes but is disgusted by the [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► infotainment system you spent all this [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► money on this car you know so many parts [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► of the Mercedes are fifty cents more [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► expensive than they are other cars one [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► cent more expensive one dollar more [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► expensive that from like the fuel lines [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► to the filters to the muffler's to every [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► single part of that car is just a little [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► tiny bit more expensive than honey [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► that's what makes it a Mercedes the the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► software you can't treat like oh well [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► we're going to 120 gigs ram because [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► double the ram across three extra sense [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► instead of organists we're going to [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► spend you know that three engineers work [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► on this and to jam the software into [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► this tiny little chipset with a small [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► amount of ram because hey it's cheaper [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► do the math it is cheaper but you're [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► making your product worse in a way that [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► is way out of proportion to the money [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► that you save if you just add up like [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► okay two bucks two extra bucks per card [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► x number of cars we sell you are adding [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► so much more value to your brand as [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► mercedes as a car that people want to [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► buy by making decent software and you [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► make business software by not making [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► your software engineers past it jammed [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► their software into a bunch of weird [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► underpowered chipsets to the ram [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► constraint is it's a terrible idea and [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► you know that this email and say the [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► good part is all these problems are so [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► again worked on the companies creating [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► simple time systems are slowly getting [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► better understanding of Technology [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► hurdles and some car companies really [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► care are taking this away from [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► third-party vendors basically take it [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► in-house kinda like Tesla does so [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► they're getting better about this but [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the mine [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that is like totally wrong and you know [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► we're totally not blaming the people who [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► make these infotainment system because [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► you know as friends said they have to [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► write this thing has to work on these [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► terrible washing machine chipsets that [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► are in these cars because they're cheap [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► and of course they're terrible [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and by the way the infotainment system [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► on cue next thing that was in response [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► to the last episode of our BBQ and [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► accents like well you don't need a [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► real-time operating system for the [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► entertainment you need it for like that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► self-driving car the other you know the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► automatic stopping system that prevents [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you from hitting pedestrians and other [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► things that are critical they need to be [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► in real time but QX is also a reliable [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► popular embedded operating systems like [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► they just used for the infotainment [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► system stupid they're not even using [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► real-time features like this was my [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► question like what what is it about the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► infotainment system that needs real-time [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► and answers nothing it's just you know [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► it's a good embedded operating system [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► with the automotive engineers are [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► familiar with that runs in a runs on [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► those washing machine ships with the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► tiny amount of ram so there you have it [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► i should also point out that i had to [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► reboot my car today [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► how do you do that it happens he holds [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► down a key combination right [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► yes and and I should point out to this [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► is the third time I've had to do this [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► the instant owned the car for three [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► months that you should really look at [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► the ram Marco I hear that's problematic [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► yeah so it's so what was the symptom so [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► that the first time I had to reboot it [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► so there's two screens that there's the [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► screen were like the speedometer is like [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► right in front of you on the little [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► little dash counseling and there's the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► giant touchscreen in the middle and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► those are actually running like two [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► different computers or like they like [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► that the one in front of the driver is [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► kind of like a sub interface that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► remotely controls the main one in the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► center and the main one in the center [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► also controls all the hvac stuff all the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► media stuff and a bunch of other things [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► that are not driving but a lot of other [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► accessory features of the Interior so I [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► went out one afternoon and the the [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► driver facing one said there's a problem [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► with your center console call service [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► I hate talking on the phone so rather [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► than calling customer service I just [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► search the web for like this error [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► message and found like some forums posts [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and everything's a go just reboot it and [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it took me another 10 minutes figure out [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► how the heck do you reboot it and the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► way he rebooted as you like the steering [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► wheel has a little like jog we on each [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► side like by that by the buttons like [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► for the controls and if you hold if you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► click in [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and both of those jog wheels and hold [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► them in for like five seconds the center [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► screen boots [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► that's interesting so i had so i did [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► that fix the problem i came back up [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► it takes like 20 30 seconds to reboot [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► came back up it was fine and then I i [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► did it willingly [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► about a month ago because the navigation [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► when it highlights the the road you're [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► supposed to drive on with a blue overlay [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► sometimes if you if you zoom or pan or [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► otherwise cause the map to redraw [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► sometimes the blue overlay stop strong [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► reliably deliver the leader omit [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► sections or just not draw at all and it [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► looks like it may be running a texture [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► memory or something and so the texture [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► just not being painted right or [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► something I don't know the system is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► working enough detail to say for sure [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► but it looks looks like you know some [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► kind of just like you know memory leak [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► bug that slowly this is stops working [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► very well and actually when I had the [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► service loner when I got my windshield [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► replaced that car had that same symptom [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► we're just wasn't drawn the overlay [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► right so I know it's not just my car [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► didn't have to fix in the service honor [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► but now i do you could reboot and it's [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► immediately better and today the center [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► console you stopped responding and like [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► the audio froze and it was playing over [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► bluetooth so it was like cable issue and [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► yet so I was like driving at the time [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► like well i hope this isn't doing weird [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► so I was a strategy stopped at traffic [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► lights like all right good time [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► older than me but it was finally get [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► back up again totally fine i will say [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► overall i can get you no matter what the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► subject of these entertainment systems [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► it kind of annoys me that Tesla is [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► working on these automatic driving [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► things and pouring so much of their [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► resources into that while they're there [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► in car navigation and media system still [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► could use a lot of improvement it's [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► still pretty rudimentary it is nice and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► that it has the big touchscreen and [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► everything but the the media interface [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► is extremely basic it [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► it supports very little of bluetooth [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► audio capabilities control capabilities [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► doesn't support like artwork and stuff [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► like that doesn't support fast-forward [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and rewind it doesn't there's no of [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► course browsing or anything no ipod [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► interface no carplay so if they're there [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► they're missing a lot there and then the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► navigation is also very rudimentary you [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► can't set waypoints you can't like you [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► know say alright we'll drive here to [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► use this highway or drive here but stop [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► here in the middle you can't do that you [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► have to just make separate trips and [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► stuff like that and also the directions [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► like the map the map images come from [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► google but I think Tesla has its own [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► Street data and texts also provides own [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► navigation despite where the data is [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► coming from is not using google [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► navigation tell his own navigation and [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► Tesla's time estimates are never right [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► with traffic and it is not very good [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► navigating around traffic heavy sigh [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► I've made the mistake of following a [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► couple times for Manhattan and it was a [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► disaster every time and like it was not [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► that it's not the driving to Manhattan [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► had to be disaster it just made really [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► bad choices when I followed them and [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► then I you know I i would look over like [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► if I would you stay on the highway one [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► more exit i would have bypassed all of [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► this that took me 40 minutes you know [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► so overall Tesla's head unit is like the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► navigation system is no it's it's good i [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► love having the big screen [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► however I wish they'd put more resources [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► into that because it seems like they [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► haven't really touched that in a long [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► time and and for them to be putting all [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this amazing effort into cool AI [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► features that's nice from like any know [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► if you look at the big picture like if [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► it if these things end up saving lives [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► that's awesome and that is more [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► important but at the same time as a [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► customer of their car i do wish the [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► system was better and it is kind of [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► weird that such a tech forward company [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► has kind of dropped the ball on the [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► basic features of their of their [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► technology in the car facing the user [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► you know also that the touchscreen just [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► really sluggish like navigating the map [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► is is very very low framerate it you [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► know it's kind of like navigating like [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► google maps on like a pentium 3 like if [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► it's not like it's not like using an [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► iPad like it's not at all like that it's [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► very sluggish and there's all this all [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► this latency in the interface and and [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► and I you kind of expect more from car [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► of that caliber some features aside I [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► getting back to the rebooting your car [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and stuff you kind of well I don't start [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► to separate from the features that we've [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► been talking about this but I think a [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► lot of regular people have this feeling [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► and is easy for us to slip into it [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► do is like when things were simpler and [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► didn't have as much computer stuff they [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► were more reliable because there are [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► fewer things that can go wrong as soon [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► as i started adding software to their [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► stuff like we talked about this isn't [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► smart TV that old smart TV post ad from [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► CS so word processing software that all [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► the software and just makes the thing [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► less reliable and more annoying to use [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and you're doing everything that in [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► terms of the basics like they've added [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► by the software to the car which is good [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► and they're better than a lot of other [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► people but on the other hand it's also [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► less reliable in my terrible terrible [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► entertainment if you don't even call [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that system on my honda accord [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► I've never had to reboot it but it's [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► just terrible all the time so that's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► kind of like in the in-between phase [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► where everything is not as simple as it [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► used to be like my wife's record that [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► has no infotainment screen at all that [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► was you know it's simple fixed-function [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► everything implemented in hardware with [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you know some very rudimentary firmware [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► you would even call it no sort of [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► general-purpose touch screen menu system [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► software like nothing like that there's [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► a bunch of cpus there's a bunch of [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► memory but they're all basically like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► little embedded systems that's like as [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► far as the car industry can go along the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► lines of like everything is super [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► reliable and as we all know as [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► programmers but it's sometimes easy to [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► forget as consumers as soon as you make [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► real live software like a GUI you can't [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► make it the same way as an embedded [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► system you have to have a GUI framework [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► and an API and like you know regular [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► application development for human [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► interaction as opposed to this is custom [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► software for this little chip that [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► controls the radio and instead of you [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► know it's not like the more you start [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► making a platform [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the more you start making what we know [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► is like a pc style platform or you build [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► applications on top of where you're [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► farther farther away from that ideal [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► embedded system that just has like a rom [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► or something you just get all the bugs [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► out of it and you get a writer if there [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► are bugs are known bugs were just once [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► you start having real life software it's [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► me there's nothing so far that we as [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► humans have been able to figure out how [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► to do to make that software as reliable [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► as the thing without software without [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► sacrificing huge things like just ok it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► will you no will do space probe [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► reliability metrics but it will take us [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► years and years to write a very small [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► amount of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► code and the limitations are so onerous [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that no one would ever want to do [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► anything that way unless you're writing [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► a space problem which case you have no [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► choice right but cars are not space [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► probes the the the cost-benefit ratio so [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► different so bottom line is once you add [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► software the cars you have to reboot [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► your car like it essentially that is [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► inevitable at you know we do want [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► software to be added to our cars because [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► we think it's a better user interface [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they can do all that stuff but you'll [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► have to reboot your car like there's no [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► like if only you had tried harder Tesla [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► then market wouldn't had to reboot his [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► car like there's there's there's you [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► know there's a sliding scale quality but [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► a car with software it's never going to [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► be as reliable as the car with the [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► hardware radio because the harbor radio [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► either works or it doesn't when it stops [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► working throughout you put a new [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► hardware radio and for the life of the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► hardware radio it doesn't change know [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► for more updates is no software being [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► sent to and it's doing so much less [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► doing so so much less than marcos think [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► it's like pulling images and doing gps [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► and navigating and talking to you and [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► putting images up on the screen like [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► it's doing so much less like it's not as [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► if you know it's this magic sauce when [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► you do more stuff that's more [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► complicated software has bugs the Moores [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► offer you have the more bugs you have [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► and until we get like a sort of emergent [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► AI to write and fix our software for us [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► that seems to be the way of things [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► probably for most of our life so we [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► should just kind of get used to this now [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the features discussion i think is a [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► separation which marketing look you have [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you know you're going to have bugs you [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► have a lot of software spend more time [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► here instead of less of your time there [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► we say the same thing about Apple [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► especially on the mac like if you're not [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► don't try to look for the next big [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► feature dad wanted to just make all the [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► features that are already there much [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► more reliable and that definitely is [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► possible and it is something that should [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► be doing but whenever I feel like high [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► and mighty about the fact that I never [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► had to reboot my cord i realize it's [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► only because it doesn't really have as [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► much software and features as Marcos [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► cards and as soon as it does it's going [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► to be just as bad and you know we as [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► programmers understand why that happens [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► because software without bugs doesn't [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► exist then more most software more bugs [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► is used to get there [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► well is that depressing i don't know but [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► like you know that's that's the way of [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► things I feel like we should understand [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that better than anyone because it's we [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► can do it for a living and we know what [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► it's really like [TS]

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00:32:38 ◼   ► jamie is written and they asked i'm [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► surprised that the clocks in different [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► computer recording devices can't keep a [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► can't keep frame accurate time I say [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► frame since I come from the film world [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► but you know accurate 224 thirtieth of a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► second [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► this has been solved and sound recorders [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► and cameras since the fifties and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► sixties using a quartz crystal with you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► an accuracy of a few parts per million [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► computers can provide the accuracy of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► quartz watch it's so nuts market would [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you like to comment yeah so this is in [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► response to my discussion about audio [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► drift being a problem in Long podcast [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► recordings we're basically when your [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► sound card is sampling your microphone [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► at 44100 times per second then over the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► course of like a two-hour recording what [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► your computer thinks is the correct time [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and the number of samples is recorded [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► might be off from your co-hosts computer [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► by like half a second to one second and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► it just do two imprecision between the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► computers like my sound chip might just [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► be you know point zero zero zero one [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► percent less accurate than yours but [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► when you doing [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► forty-four thousand samples per second [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► over two hours that could start to add [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► up to something noticeable because it [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► only takes like a half-second for the [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► two tracks to be off before you can [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► really notice it [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► my reply to Jamie's feedback here is I [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► don't know why they can't do it i mean [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► if it's possible to do it somewhere else [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► I don't know why I'm sure there's a good [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► reason because it's been a problem for a [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► long time [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► one of the ways that this problem gets [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► avoided in professional equipment with [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► team is probably familiar with if you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► look at pro audio gear like really pro [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► audio gear there is usually a clock [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► input and output port on the back and [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► there's there's something you can use [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► separate devices for clock generation so [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► what they do is they don't rely on [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► incredible precision that to make sure [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► that this device in this device have [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► exactly the same precision on the clock [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► ships know that is outsourced the [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► problem they did they declare like one [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► source of the clock rate to be [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► authoritative and they just hardwired [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► all to each other and say alright this [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► device is providing the clock for me so [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► my internal circuitry is not going to do [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► it this is the Royal very little about I [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► just know this exists so if I am getting [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► those details wrong I apologize but [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► that's the gist of it that is how that [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► world deals with its not by getting [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► incredibly press components it's [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► simply by outsourcing the problem to one [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► device and saying okay you're the master [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► of the clock i put this feedback members [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► i had the same question when you were [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► describing and I was thinking along the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► lines of look the clocks have to be [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► pretty darn accurate from one computer [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► to the next could be instead that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► because again we're not using real-time [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► operating systems here to record our [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► audio that it's easy to miss a frame [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► here and there because some other things [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► happens and it's not a big deal you'll [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► never notice it audio wise but if you [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► add that up like in other words is [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► basically a software problem and not a [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► hardware problem that the quartz [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► crystals and our computers are all close [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► enough to each other that it wouldn't [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► matter but our computers aren't hardware [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► audio recording devices their general [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► purpose computers and in the end it's a [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► piece of software that's pulling samples [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► off the bus and so many things in the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► middle of it [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► missing a few things here in their cars [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► but I don't I guess I wouldn't explain [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► systemic drift because if it was really [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► random area and it was equal a lot of [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► computers maybe you would even out [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► anyway I don't know the answer either [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► you're serious sounds reasonable but i [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► have the same questions about like look [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► quartz crystals that should be accurate [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► matching but then again I didn't know [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► about this whole thing of having a clock [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► being fed into multiple audio components [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► so I don't know what to think so if you [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► are an audio person who does audio on [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► computers and you know the definitive [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► answer please write in and tell us [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► yeah that'd be great also forever it's [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► worth I've always noticed that laptops [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► have way more drift than desktops Mac [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► Pros have way less adrift in imax like [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► so it does seem to possibly be related [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► to just like kind of the quality and the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► end the conditions of the components i [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► once I'd like the components like a [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► laptop may just be mon under more stress [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► like the more likely to be thermal [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► throttling up and down and doing other [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► stuff like again i would imagine that [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► the clock crystals inside the related [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► chips and all those things are of equal [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► quality but it's not it's where we are [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► not solid state audio recording devices [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like a little handheld thing to do it's [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► a whole computer in there so so much in [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► go wrong between the samples being [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► pulled off is really complicated bus and [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► then going out to a file so anyway this [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► right Intel's but you know we all see [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the results if you want to try the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► experiment yourself feel free do a [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► double ender podcast with two friends [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► across country and a laptop and try to [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► put the audio together and [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► realize we're multiplying margos night [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► alright let's see here so one of you put [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► in here and i'm quoting the arm and mac [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► feedback that won't die it won't this [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► key people keep suggesting it [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► it's been like three months six months [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► this is literally will not die and i [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► feel like now final game plan we will [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► address it quote it's obvious what's [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► going on with the mac lineup colon total [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► arm reboot this is from a tweak this is [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► a concise form of what everyone is [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► telling us every time we can plan out [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► where the new mags why are they updated [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► the mac pro was taking so long with the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► mac pro updates everything says don't [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► buy and the mac buying guide thing on [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► macrumors site doesn't seem like they [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► care about the magnum and everyone's [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► like you dummies [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► it's because every single mac is being [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► converted to our mother is taking a long [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► time why don't understand what you don't [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► realize that why don't you reply to my [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► tweets all the macs are going armed [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► maybe maybe all the macs are going armed [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► we've just talked about that many many [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► times in the past a couple things that [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► have to say about that and the reason [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► why we don't bring that first always [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► talk about our max forever on past shows [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► and all the different trade-offs [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► inherited we're not going to rehash all [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that right but first of all the macs are [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► going arm still kinda doesn't excuse the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► tremendous delay like look at the Intel [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► transition they didn't stop selling [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► powerpc macs and not update them for [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► three years before the transition to x86 [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► right and they knew that was coming for [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► a long time you sell the old computers [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► right along until you tell the world [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► hey world we're changing to an [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► architecture well in all fairness though [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that's a bad example because back then [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► the mac was apple's main product like [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► they cared a lot more about it they [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► prioritize a lot more engineering-wise [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► these days it doesn't seem like it is [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► that high priority but it's not a high [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► priority is not a primary whether it's [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► changing or not and i get back the last [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► week's argument of like maybe not high [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► enough priority to care to switch to arm [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► because then you have to develop arm [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► chip suitable for all your Mac line and [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► its cost a lot of money but anyway [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► second thing is and the the conventional [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► wisdom about the arm transition is [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► available is going to convert to arm [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► they have to essentially pronounce it [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► because developers need to get their [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► stuff together the same way they [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► pronounce the x86 transition they didn't [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► announce it and say and you can buy an [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► x86 mac today [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► nope they had to announce the developers [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► first and then developers could get like [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► that test hardware was like a was like a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► pentium 4 and a cheese grater case and [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► all you know you could make sure you [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► recompile your apps and update all the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► tools and blah blah so could be could be [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► that Apple is converting their whole [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► line to arm but that is not the that is [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► not the obvious explanation what's going [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► on and it's not even the number one most [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► likely explanation is probably like the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► number two or three possible explanation [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► and I would be very surprised if Apple [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► is converting the entire Mac lined arm [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and didn't tell the world and developers [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► before you could buy the hardware so I [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► don't know anyone you have anything else [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► to add about this is eternal feedback [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that that tells us we're adults are not [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► realizing it's a complete army boot like [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► it's a nice idea if you don't think [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► about it for too long or if you're not [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► familiar with this will be involved or [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► or like the markets here I just don't [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► think it's realistic [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► I I don't think there's enough to say [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► that Apple couldn't release a whole line [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► of our max but that's probably good [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► yeah as we've talked about and and we're [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► you know we're all under the impression [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that they probably have armed os10 [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► running the labs and have for some time [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► they probably just maintain it as like a [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► parallel just in case branch but there [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► really is just not a lot of motivation [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► for them to do that right now and as we [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► discussed you know i'll summarize it [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► briefly basically it would take a lot of [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► work would have a lot of downsides and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► intelligent isn't bad enough yet [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► yeah and i'm meghan everyone getting [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► back to his like our max yes know [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► whatever but the delay in updating all [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► the max is unrelated [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► because like there's no reason why you [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► would say because we're doing the arm [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► thing therefore we're going to delay [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► it's not as if they would say we we [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► don't have time to update those old [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► cruddy max we're gonna take every person [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► who was working on Mac hardware before [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► and put them all on the Armed hard right [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► then you know it's it does it doesn't [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► make any sense and also because there [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► had been massive delays in the past like [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► the cheese grater mac pro not being [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► updated forever and that wasn't [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► explained by an army boot either just [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► playing out like there's so many more [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► explicable reasons about sky like having [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► bugs and taking a long time to come out [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► and being delayed and then skipping [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► generations like those are the actual [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► reasons why there's a delay even if they [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► come out with a complete arm reboot in a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► month i will still say this theory is [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► right because all those delays were not [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► related to the arm reboot they're [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► related to all things we've talked about [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► so many times they're not does not [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► speculation that they skip generations [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► they did they skip them and then it's [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► not speculation that sky like it was [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► delayed and had rollout problems that's [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► a real thing that happened that alone is [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► sufficient to explain the the delay and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► what we're complaining about in the past [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► shows is Apple don't skip generations if [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you do any bump and Intel's plan makes [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► your computer's embarrassingly late [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► bingo and by the way update your gps [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► haha in in the other thing I just want [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► to throw in there really quickly is that [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's been for me personally less than [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► issues since my new job in since i'm [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► doing iOS development but in my last job [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► and that job or two before that as well [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► as all of the developers generally [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► speaking used macs but they all lived in [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► vmware fusion or parallels or on [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► VirtualBox if they really hated their [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► lives and virtualizing against the same [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► chipset is fairly easy you know to have [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► OS 10 running on x86 and then virtualize [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► windows which is also running on x86 [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► that's fairly straightforward and easy [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► if this was an armed Mac trying to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► virtualize x86 that would have just [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► slowed everything down tremendously in [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► all likelihood and would really be a [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► potentially very bad thing for business [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► users that need to have the MS even [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► business users that need EMS not for [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► their day-to-day but for their one old [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► legacy app that only runs on ie6 and so [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► they need to boot into XP in a vm to use [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► that one app like that happened a lot in [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► in past jobs and maybe if it's just that [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► one a pin and ie6 you can deal with it [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► being slow but I mean up until this job [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► i lived in vmware fusion and i was [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► developing in vmware fusion and it would [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► probably be a lot worse if the mac in [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► which i was using wasn't Intel and to [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► the point that I would probably have to [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► use some crappy Dowler when / or [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► something like that and that would be [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► just said microphone did take a run of [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► his arm transition with the whatever the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► windows forearm thing for the surface [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► thing and that's not going to i grant [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► they did badly they didn't commit [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► they're just like well we're also [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► having our version of windows that's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► cool right guys and the the market was [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► like not not that cool because we need [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► to run or x86 software yeah the only way [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► to do is the way Apple does it was like [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► look for changes everything from 68 a [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► powerpc get on board and if they doing [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► on transition on Mac I feel like going [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► to the same thing they're not gonna let [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the two computers live on which will [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► mean exactly Casey said if you've gotta [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► run that x86 virtualization you're gonna [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► be super sad and it's the i'm not going [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► to be it's not gonna be feasible it's [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► gonna be like the bad old days when Iran [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► virtual pc to an x86 software on powerpc [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► and it was so slow just stores do you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► remember I think we talked about this [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► year at some point but they had the like [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► daughter cards for old old old max I [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► remember hearing about this when I was a [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► kid and I had like 46 is on them [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's like a whole pc on a card [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► yeah right well right and this was just [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► so that I so that you could have a [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► somewhat livable virtualization [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► experience on ancient max alright one [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► last piece of follow-up and then we we [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► are finally done we're still fuckable I [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► don't especially since we recorded what [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► two nights ago three nights ago how is [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► this possible these are topics come on [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► these are just these are really just [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► hopping all these are all I i can i can [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► justify everything one of these for [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► being follow-up and so can you because [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► you know what they're about Apple is [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► follow-up I was we talked about it last [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► episode III have issues with long [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► follow-up it just so happens that we [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► have long following beltro and will.i.am [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► which we sort of kind of new and gary [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► vaynerchuk i hope i pronounced that [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► right you did are going to be the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► advisors for planet of the apps that was [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► just announce that today or yesterday [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► sometime recently as we record them [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► serving as an open but with paltrow is [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► going to be a mentor to the contestants [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► so I guess she's there for like just [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► moral support and like motivates them [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► i'm not quite sure what her credentials [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► are to help people develop applications [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► but like you go guys anyway she's famous [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and then check it check is a PVC so he [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► guesses on the b-side of the shark tank [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► vents will.i.am is famous person who [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► likes apple whose work with Apple a lot [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► on his entertainment industry person I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► guess that's relevant to building apps [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► if you really entertainment and they [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► will serve as advisors not sure it's [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► different than a mentor [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► anyway if you're wondering who they're [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► going to be on the show banner check i [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► could have like that's right up the the [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► middle of what i was expecting like pcs [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► who want to promote [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► themselves in their be serious well [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► their check is not quite really a VC [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► he's he does his own stuff he's like a [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► business consultant he came up through [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► like the through wine library TV and [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► then like came up and develop kind of [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► dislike promotional company with like a [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► bunch of his own media projects and he's [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► basically media personality and a [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► business speaker and business consultant [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► and everything that he did you worked [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► with and benjamin has a different no [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► that's dancing home i believe but [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► alright Eric no guarantee he he he got [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► famous by having this really quite [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► amazing very early video series i don't [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► even know it was on you i think it was [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► on youtube but i'm not positive called [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► wine library TV he his family owns this [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► big wine retailer in New Jersey and [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► every day he would just go and do like [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► this like five minute video tastes like [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► featuring a couple of wires using from [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► like a really like New Jersey like [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► middle-class approach to wine so it's [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► like very like like note like low BS [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► like reviewing low-cost stuff like and [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► he was very good at describing how it [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► tasted like how this tastes like grass [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► and like it like he was really he was [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► surprisingly charismatic and excellent [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► at this seemingly boring topic of wine [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► reviews anyway so then his whole career [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► kind of balloon after that of like you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► know being it's like an outrageous like [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► loud guy who promotes stuff and talk to [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► businesses about how to do stuff but [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► actually i would say of the of this list [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► of people he is probably by far the most [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► qualified to judge people on how to [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► learn how to do their app stuff below I [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► i have i but i have not followed his [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► work very closely recently but from what [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► he is on the past he's definitely more [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► related and and is better knowing like [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► how to promote stuff real-time follow [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► gary vaynerchuk did by Corky bought it [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► from the two that up i'm dancing Roman [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► dan Benjamin yeah and by the way I found [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► this out by googling and the homicide [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► wine cast dotnet brief aside if we could [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► all go to one cast that net everybody [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► and look at the logo in the upper [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► left-hand corner do not make your logo [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► look like a condo [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► oh wow gracious that within tiny little [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► sperm like [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► crawling its way better job on cast [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► hello I'm also seeing a PHP warning [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► being admitted into the page on top [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► yeah mysql don't feel it's best [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► parameter 1 to be resource boolean given [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► wow that's fine [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► anyway that log right so yes it's [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► gerrymander shock [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► well i am who i believe we had already [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► known was involved with this from a like [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► producer standpoint or something or [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► advisor something yeah and like you said [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► going to show so i don't know i mean i [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► don't think this is really meant for us [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► and we talked about this a lot in the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► past we need to go into this too much [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► but i don't think this is a showman for [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► us i think it's in theory show meant for [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► people who are not really in the [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► industry but i'm i'm curious to see it i [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► will certainly watch just like you know [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the new top here i will watch an episode [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► or two and assuming it is not apple [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► music so i guess maybe I can't because I [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► don't subscribe to that music don't know [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► if i can i will you watch it with my [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► flex server you have anything that i [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► will watch an episode or two and I i [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► suspect it will not be very good but you [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► know what you don't know until you try [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► so we'll see what happens I watching for [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► Gary Vee I like him so i will gladly [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► watch it for him [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► fair enough all right at this point I [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► think we are officially out of follow-up [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► so what else is awesome these days who [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► need a break in a cigarette now I don't [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► smoke [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► neither one of us do but i can see John [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like sneaking under the under the deck [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► smoking another least likely thing that [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► will ever see me doing the height of if [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► any of the three of us had a secret [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► smoking habit [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► John be by far the most amusing 12 have [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► to goodness this smoking out like under [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the tree to drop the acorns hitting [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► every so often thought to be the trees [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► all the trees defeated for the most part [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► all that the limbs are cut off one [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► questionable then when I look up might [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► still be in line of sight but a lot of [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► that tree is all gone [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► that's ok we solve that problem before I [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► want for my wife's new accord not safe [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► for ferrari because I don't you want to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► leave that outside in the winter and you [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► don't squeeze it into my garage [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► ok [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► we also sponsor this week by Harry's go [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► to Harry's dot-com / ATP to five dollars [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► off your first purchase no reason [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► companies keep putting out new models [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► and raising their already high prices [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► well Harry's does not believe in up [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► charging they just made a bunch of [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► improvements to their razors and they're [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► keeping prices exactly the same so it's [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► still just two dollars per blade [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► cartridge compared to four or more [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► dollars you will pay for the big brands [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► of the drugstore so he's five blade [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► razors now these new improvements now [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► include they still the same five blades [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► they now have a softer flex hinge for [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► more comfortable glide they have a [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► trimmer blade for hard-to-reach places [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► they have a lubricating strip on one [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► side and a textured handle for more [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► control when it's wet so that it had [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► like a rubber grip on the handle now so [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► Harry's was founded by two friends to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► offer people a great shave at fair [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► prices razors they were there they [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► market them mostly towards men however [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► we hear from lots of women [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► these are really unisex razors and women [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► can women use them too and they are [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► great for both now qualities a hundred [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► percent guaranteed if you don't love [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► your shade Harry's will fully refund [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► your money and these these blades are [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► made in this incredible German blade [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► factory that Harry's bought and they [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► sell their own razors direct from this [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► factory and because of selling directly [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► on the factory and there's no retailer [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► anything else they literally charge you [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► half the price or less of what you're [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► paying at the drugstore for similar for [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► similar blades from big brands forget [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► the starter set today this to the harry [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► started as an amazing deal you get a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► weighted razor handle of your choice [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► moisturizing shave cream three [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► precision-engineered five blade [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► cartridges and travel cover off for just [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► 15 bucks and that's 15 bucks at the [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► regular price but again if you go to [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► Harry's calm / ATP you will get five [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► dollars off your first purchase that [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► means you could get this article for [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► just ten bucks that would be ten bucks [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► to cover handle shaving cream and three [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► blade cartridges [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that's incredible that's incredible deal [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► so right now go to Harry's calm / ATP to [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► claim that deal that's Harry's calm / [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► ATP thanks a lot [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► there's a rumor that apple has pivoted [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► their brand a hand is going to be taking [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► a different approach to the apple TV as [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► in like the setup the the television set [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► sort of that again again recode reports [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that they're going to make the most [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► baller TV Guide ever at the growth [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► industry the right and I guess the plan [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► is to be able to let you search and no [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► matter where the thing you're looking [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► for maybe get paid or not or whatever it [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► will figure out a way to get it to you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► presumably through your existing [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► accounts like Netflix whatever which i [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► think it can do already but also perhaps [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► by partnerships with some of the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► traditional TV folks like maybe ABC or [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► CBS or something like that so I mean [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► this is kinda cool and I would certainly [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► be interested in it but I mean like you [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► said Marko this is I don't know TV I [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► don't want to say it's not long for this [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► world because I mean it's been around [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► for a long time on Cinco see it going [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► away that soon but I mean is this the [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► the sign of major changes and how we [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► consume our television I mean that in [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► netflix and and and an Amazon creating [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► their own television shows and I what do [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► you think this seems like kind of [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► extension of what they're already trying [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► to do with the apple TV they already [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► have Universal Search and it is i think [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► it is still limited to partners only on [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the appletv at least it's not an iOS app [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► so that they already have like you know [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► cross provider search with Cirie and and [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► being being able to search for a TV show [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► or movie or whatever and say alright [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► well it's available on netflix on HBO go [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► and for my to like they can already list [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► all this like that's already there so if [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► this is just kind of an extension of [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► that our expansion of that that's great [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► you know that's that's good [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► I i would question their ability to get [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► these deals though because it seems like [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► we've been hearing reports for what [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► three years now that Apple keeps trying [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► to make like a TV service like one grand [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► new TV service to rule them all [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► oh you know or something along those [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► lines [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► honestly I you know like there's a story [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► writers making fun of you know last week [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► whenever about it about a eq walk into [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► the meeting with TV executives wearing [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► like shoes without socks and a Hawaiian [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► shirt and jeans whatever whatever it was [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► and apples basically like you know where [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► Apple screw you [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► method of negotiation with TV companies [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and who knows that was real or not you [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► know we don't really know and how [TS]