The Accidental Tech Podcast

180: Don't Cry for John, Argentina


00:00:00   that's right it's given me time to us [TS]

00:00:01   since we're in this no-man's land [TS]

00:00:03   give me time to eat this delicious warm [TS]

00:00:04   apple pie that Aaron just brought up [TS]

00:00:05   that she just made because apparently [TS]

00:00:07   that's what we decide to do when it's a [TS]

00:00:08   thousand degrees also eating all podcast [TS]

00:00:11   think what do you think you are John [TS]

00:00:12   Roderick no eating well party as they [TS]

00:00:14   did you hear anything up until I [TS]

00:00:15   admitted it nope have have you yet [TS]

00:00:18   spilled any apple pie into your imac now [TS]

00:00:20   that would be quite impressive the feet [TS]

00:00:22   though it really would I mean I just [TS]

00:00:24   really eating in podcasting do not mix [TS]

00:00:26   well that's what meet buttons for it [TS]

00:00:30   feels like we just got off the phone [TS]

00:00:31   like we just got off skype for the last [TS]

00:00:33   episode and it really honestly does your [TS]

00:00:35   heart get two nights later there 48 [TS]

00:00:37   hours later almost to the minute i'm [TS]

00:00:39   barely published last episode so as we [TS]

00:00:43   record it is friday evening the [TS]

00:00:45   twenty-second of july and one of us is [TS]

00:00:48   skipping town next weekend so recording [TS]

00:00:50   early because we're dedicated to you our [TS]

00:00:52   listeners and don't want you to go [TS]

00:00:54   anytime for any weeks i should say [TS]

00:00:56   without a new episode of this accidental [TS]

00:00:58   of podcasts and so we are recording very [TS]

00:01:02   shortly after the last show in did not [TS]

00:01:04   have a lot of time to accumulate [TS]

00:01:06   follow-up that being said as always we [TS]

00:01:09   do have some for you do we want to dive [TS]

00:01:11   right in gentlemen let's do it let's [TS]

00:01:14   start with the dog rental there which [TS]

00:01:16   was the namesake for the last episode [TS]

00:01:19   free-to-play free-to-play dogs was yeah [TS]

00:01:23   that's right now anyway the internet is [TS]

00:01:25   written into to correct us and is [TS]

00:01:27   referred to the the true gift to [TS]

00:01:30   humanity that is snopes.com which says [TS]

00:01:32   that the title they used was pika q [TS]

00:01:35   which I thought was kind of funny they [TS]

00:01:38   correct us in the story that we told [TS]

00:01:41   about the animal shelter and the dogs to [TS]

00:01:44   quote from snopes claim a shelter rented [TS]

00:01:47   dogs from Aristotle pokemon go players [TS]

00:01:49   and rent raked in tons of cash for all [TS]

00:01:51   their dogs were swiftly adopted mostly [TS]

00:01:54   false what's true the Muncie animal [TS]

00:01:56   shelter muncie indiana enacted a novel [TS]

00:01:57   pokemon go dog walking program inviting [TS]

00:01:59   local store shelter dogs during the [TS]

00:02:01   gaming sessions what's false the shelter [TS]

00:02:04   didn't charge players five dollars an [TS]

00:02:05   hour per dog to scare quotes rent dogs [TS]

00:02:08   for also it was free to play that's the [TS]

00:02:10   fair point [TS]

00:02:11   Cooper in talks for walking [TS]

00:02:13   they were not rant rapidly cleared of [TS]

00:02:16   dogs for adoption or do they make [TS]

00:02:17   megabox off a program designed to [TS]

00:02:18   harness the gaming phenomenon to get [TS]

00:02:20   shelter dogs some time outside so that [TS]

00:02:24   was all about ups for the most part but [TS]

00:02:26   it's still an adorable story and I'm I'm [TS]

00:02:28   kind of glad we talked about it anyway [TS]

00:02:30   as I do things on this first I [TS]

00:02:32   intentionally didn't retweet people [TS]

00:02:35   pointing us to the Stopes because i [TS]

00:02:36   wanted to give people like a week to [TS]

00:02:39   think it's real [TS]

00:02:40   of course it doesn't work if we record [TS]

00:02:41   two days after the previous one people [TS]

00:02:43   who aren't listening to the livestream I [TS]

00:02:45   want to give them i mean maybe you guys [TS]

00:02:46   already are treated so that's that's too [TS]

00:02:48   bad i did not i didn't have the heart I [TS]

00:02:49   i want to give people a week to to [TS]

00:02:51   believe like when we preface this in the [TS]

00:02:53   past the last show or like you know who [TS]

00:02:56   knows that this is true it's on the [TS]

00:02:57   internet blah blah but it sounds like a [TS]

00:02:58   good story that's of course all the [TS]

00:03:00   things that are made up on the internet [TS]

00:03:01   selling a good story that's how they [TS]

00:03:02   spread but i like to give people a week [TS]

00:03:04   to think it was real because it said it [TS]

00:03:06   was a nice heartwarming story and the [TS]

00:03:07   second Casey referred to slopes like the [TS]

00:03:10   gift of the internet or whatever it used [TS]

00:03:12   to be a lot more than it is now the [TS]

00:03:14   snopes website is pretty grim pretty [TS]

00:03:17   different diagram like it is not a nice [TS]

00:03:20   place to be i was scrolling through this [TS]

00:03:22   story in this like this picture of [TS]

00:03:23   maggots at the bottom that's part of one [TS]

00:03:25   of those terrible ads and everything is [TS]

00:03:27   like blinking calling and God yeah [TS]

00:03:29   you're right [TS]

00:03:29   no it's not it's not a good sign i don't [TS]

00:03:31   know what happened to you feel like like [TS]

00:03:33   IMDb or whatever and I'm TVs gotten [TS]

00:03:36   worse to be like you do you think these [TS]

00:03:37   old sort of things that are around a [TS]

00:03:40   long time ago that have value that sort [TS]

00:03:42   of our category defining websites should [TS]

00:03:44   have found some way to to make it work [TS]

00:03:47   without making their sights more and [TS]

00:03:50   more gross over time but but alas but [TS]

00:03:52   that's just that's just the web these [TS]

00:03:54   days and it isn't like snopes run by [TS]

00:03:56   horrible people and I don't know who [TS]

00:03:57   runs it but it's not just the web these [TS]

00:03:59   days no it really is it isn't digit is [TS]

00:04:02   just your in your cynical view think [TS]

00:04:04   every website is doomed to this paper [TS]

00:04:06   that's not true there are websites that [TS]

00:04:07   are not like that even IMDb which has [TS]

00:04:10   gotten worse in terms of usability but [TS]

00:04:11   hasn't become festooned with ads and [TS]

00:04:13   viruses and pictures of maggots and [TS]

00:04:15   there's a pro version that you can pay [TS]

00:04:16   for because read a lot of that crap like [TS]

00:04:18   that's the way you do it or Wikipedia [TS]

00:04:20   Wikipedia is not you know doesn't have [TS]

00:04:22   to believe whatever ads [TS]

00:04:24   bottom of it it's got what's-his-name's [TS]

00:04:25   face coming down asking for money but [TS]

00:04:27   still it's not you know if this is not [TS]

00:04:29   the ultimate fate of every website this [TS]

00:04:31   is the fate of websites that are slowly [TS]

00:04:33   going circling the drain [TS]

00:04:34   it's it's very hard to monetize a [TS]

00:04:36   website in 2016 that doesn't have a very [TS]

00:04:40   particularly targeted audience likes [TS]

00:04:42   nopes in ways that aren't horrible like [TS]

00:04:46   it [TS]

00:04:46   this is this is not like a gradual [TS]

00:04:48   progression that happened over the last [TS]

00:04:50   20 years [TS]

00:04:51   this is a very rapid progression [TS]

00:04:52   happened over the last like three years [TS]

00:04:54   it's been it's been very recent very [TS]

00:04:56   quick with with the the massive shift in [TS]

00:05:00   traffic of like where traffic comes from [TS]

00:05:02   going all the way into facebook a ton of [TS]

00:05:06   of desktop browsing going away being [TS]

00:05:08   replaced by either phone browsing or [TS]

00:05:10   just not browsing websites and just [TS]

00:05:12   spending more time in social networks [TS]

00:05:13   instead it and of course all the you [TS]

00:05:16   know Robo ad networks and all the [TS]

00:05:18   problems that go along with those like [TS]

00:05:21   the horrible ads and the massive fraud [TS]

00:05:24   problems and I mean it it's a tough [TS]

00:05:27   business now to try to make money by [TS]

00:05:29   just having an ad-supported website it's [TS]

00:05:30   very very hard it's nearly impossible [TS]

00:05:32   for most sites to do it in a way that [TS]

00:05:35   they can both afford to have any kind of [TS]

00:05:37   staff quality at all and also have a [TS]

00:05:40   site that is not very focused you know [TS]

00:05:43   audience why so it can get very [TS]

00:05:44   expensive ads and that is not just full [TS]

00:05:47   of horrible crap like that it didn't [TS]

00:05:48   look around [TS]

00:05:49   how many websites do you see that are [TS]

00:05:52   really in great shape these days that [TS]

00:05:54   have a staff of more than like two [TS]

00:05:55   people it's it's really hard to find any [TS]

00:05:58   at all the more reason that like the [TS]

00:06:00   well-known sites have a leg up because [TS]

00:06:02   they're like where did everybody go for [TS]

00:06:04   movie stuff IMDb I mean amazon bought [TS]

00:06:06   them already so they basically have [TS]

00:06:08   already been saved by their plans but [TS]

00:06:10   you know it's not impossible and it [TS]

00:06:13   isn't if it's going to be more difficult [TS]

00:06:14   now than it used to be or whatever the [TS]

00:06:17   ones that have the most advantage are [TS]

00:06:18   the ones that are already established on [TS]

00:06:21   your defining categories even slashdot [TS]

00:06:23   never got this bet or isn't this better [TS]

00:06:25   now because I'm really still exists we [TS]

00:06:27   all / trash in the comments a fair point [TS]

00:06:30   so what about like the sweet home for [TS]

00:06:32   example that's not just students with [TS]

00:06:34   terrible ads all over the place now to [TS]

00:06:36   be fair they are [TS]

00:06:37   they appear to be pretty reliant on [TS]

00:06:39   affiliate amazon affiliate money and go [TS]

00:06:42   straight is reporting what looks at a [TS]

00:06:43   glance to be 20 different trackers [TS]

00:06:45   interviews on the Site yeah and I mean [TS]

00:06:47   it is basically a shopping site so it's [TS]

00:06:50   different like what if you're shopping [TS]

00:06:51   site you can make money off of affiliate [TS]

00:06:53   stuff we offer the prophet of things [TS]

00:06:54   you're directly selling it's very [TS]

00:06:56   different for you know something like [TS]

00:06:58   snowshoes like a very basic content site [TS]

00:07:01   you know you make money off of page [TS]

00:07:02   views period and it is really hard to [TS]

00:07:05   get anything good there these days [TS]

00:07:07   especially when you are both big and [TS]

00:07:10   untargeted likes notices snap should be [TS]

00:07:12   no different than wikipedia though [TS]

00:07:14   because anything wikipedia [TS]

00:07:15   general-purpose there's no confined [TS]

00:07:17   audience it's extremely broad it's a [TS]

00:07:19   simple side that just contains text and [TS]

00:07:21   a wikipedia not vested with that or [TS]

00:07:23   viruses wikipedia also you know first of [TS]

00:07:26   all it is donation funded by up what [TS]

00:07:28   seems like a pretty large amount of [TS]

00:07:29   people and even then they still put the [TS]

00:07:31   giant jimmy wales head on top of the wp [TS]

00:07:33   a-- in what seems like a very increasing [TS]

00:07:36   frequency but that also i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:07:40   that they have a pretty small staff of [TS]

00:07:43   actually paid people and I are they [TS]

00:07:45   probably went on profit right how many [TS]

00:07:47   people do you think stopes needs I don't [TS]

00:07:49   think it needs a gigantic staff of [TS]

00:07:51   people and they could they could [TS]

00:07:52   leverage volunteers wide this this is [TS]

00:07:55   not a site where people have to file [TS]

00:07:57   seven stories a day I was like a gaming [TS]

00:07:59   site or something they're much harder [TS]

00:08:00   categories then snopes it just feels [TS]

00:08:02   like a shame that slope is exactly one [TS]

00:08:04   of those sites that because it's mostly [TS]

00:08:05   purely text and it's simple site and it [TS]

00:08:08   shouldn't require a giant staff and [TS]

00:08:10   they're not you know the reviewing cars [TS]

00:08:12   are sending people to trade shows or [TS]

00:08:14   doing anything else that cost a lot of [TS]

00:08:15   money upfront it you know it's just a [TS]

00:08:18   shame that it is like and and because [TS]

00:08:20   it's so popular people still like this [TS]

00:08:22   notes i wish i had been replaced by like [TS]

00:08:23   a stack overflow vs kaur equivalent [TS]

00:08:26   where the crappy psyche and replaced by [TS]

00:08:27   the better one but instead we all just [TS]

00:08:29   go to slopes and just every time we do [TS]

00:08:30   it gets worse when you know it's also [TS]

00:08:32   possible you know it we don't we don't [TS]

00:08:35   know that the snopes owner who own snow [TS]

00:08:37   is it some big companies just kind of [TS]

00:08:39   don't think the maggots on Snopes now [TS]

00:08:41   you ever feel like you know they could [TS]

00:08:44   just be really tired of running it and [TS]

00:08:46   just maximizing profit for a while to [TS]

00:08:48   that is also a possibility here [TS]

00:08:50   I I think it's more likely that they are [TS]

00:08:52   a at least partially victim of the [TS]

00:08:56   problems that all web publishers face [TS]

00:08:57   these days with trying to get any money [TS]

00:08:59   out of ads in an age where almost [TS]

00:09:01   everybody browsers on phones almost all [TS]

00:09:04   traffic comes from facebook and almost [TS]

00:09:06   nobody click on ads on phones by the way [TS]

00:09:08   you have to make money other creepy ways [TS]

00:09:10   and also the ads that you're selling are [TS]

00:09:12   being sold by decreasing the few brokers [TS]

00:09:14   with decreasing prices [TS]

00:09:17   fair enough alright and to bring this [TS]

00:09:20   back to pokemon you really nothing today [TS]

00:09:23   but hey that's this is the rules you got [TS]

00:09:25   to get through the follow up before we [TS]

00:09:26   move on he wrote in to say my friend was [TS]

00:09:29   very excited to play pokemon go with her [TS]

00:09:31   seven-year-old son she excitedly [TS]

00:09:33   installed it and said let's go out play [TS]

00:09:35   but he was quick with his rebuttal [TS]

00:09:37   no mom pokemon is for old people say at [TS]

00:09:41   times just like that were all old all [TS]

00:09:44   over again [TS]

00:09:45   it's kind of true like you look outside [TS]

00:09:48   there was a couple stories about this [TS]

00:09:49   but a nintendo targeting people and in [TS]

00:09:53   generational waves like you played [TS]

00:09:54   pokemon as a kid now you're ready to [TS]

00:09:56   play it on your smartphone because the [TS]

00:09:58   same situation with my family realized [TS]

00:10:00   that if your kid doesn't have a [TS]

00:10:02   smartphone it's very difficult to play [TS]

00:10:04   pokemon go without at least one person [TS]

00:10:06   with a smartphone you can tell the tubes [TS]

00:10:08   you do have to be on the move with [TS]

00:10:09   internet access at the same time and [TS]

00:10:11   seven-year-olds don't have a device a [TS]

00:10:14   portable device with internet access [TS]

00:10:15   that they can walk around the [TS]

00:10:16   neighborhood with they would have to go [TS]

00:10:18   i'm going to be going with a parent [TS]

00:10:19   anyway but like when I look what I see [TS]

00:10:22   all those pictures look at all these [TS]

00:10:23   people they're all playing pokemon go i [TS]

00:10:25   don't see fifty percent kids I don't [TS]

00:10:27   even see 25 percent kids they see maybe [TS]

00:10:29   like five percent kids in ninety-five [TS]

00:10:31   percent young adults and adults so it is [TS]

00:10:35   a game for all people i don't know cares [TS]

00:10:38   only about money right but i will say [TS]

00:10:41   although if they're finally nintendo is [TS]

00:10:43   making public statements trying to [TS]

00:10:44   deflate his home stock right now like [TS]

00:10:46   you realize we don't make that much [TS]

00:10:47   money from this like we get a license [TS]

00:10:49   fee and the actual money goes another [TS]

00:10:51   company like it's great that you double [TS]

00:10:53   the stock price but perhaps you don't [TS]

00:10:55   understand how this works we're not [TS]

00:10:57   getting as rich as you think we are [TS]

00:10:58   delightful [TS]

00:11:00   alright any other follow-up for every 48 [TS]

00:11:04   hours later no actually we we did get [TS]

00:11:07   one really nice note from person in kap [TS]

00:11:10   kap said hi [TS]

00:11:12   one thing that's great about Apple not [TS]

00:11:13   updating the mac for ages there's never [TS]

00:11:15   been a better time to buy a mac second [TS]

00:11:17   hand if you want to manage to pick up [TS]

00:11:19   2011 imac with a SSD installed for an [TS]

00:11:21   absolute bargain added a bunch USB 3 [TS]

00:11:24   ports for Thunderbolt dongle and [TS]

00:11:25   couldn't be happier [TS]

00:11:26   it doesn't just this means this machine [TS]

00:11:28   was ridiculously cheap I wouldn't feel [TS]

00:11:30   like I'm missing out on anything besides [TS]

00:11:31   right now by not getting a new mac and [TS]

00:11:34   this is I think this is a really good [TS]

00:11:35   point because like when you see that the [TS]

00:11:37   entire lineup inserted in certain [TS]

00:11:40   families about the whole Mac lineup has [TS]

00:11:42   not changed that much in like 3 years [TS]

00:11:44   that means you can buy a three year old [TS]

00:11:47   Mac and it's still pretty competitive [TS]

00:11:49   with the with the brand new ones that [TS]

00:11:50   are coming out today and you know that [TS]

00:11:53   it's a mixed bag [TS]

00:11:54   obviously we'd like things to be getting [TS]

00:11:56   better over a period of three years in [TS]

00:11:58   the computer industry but as long as [TS]

00:12:00   they're getting better so slowly or not [TS]

00:12:03   at all then you know like you could pick [TS]

00:12:06   up like a three-year-old mac pro that's [TS]

00:12:08   almost out of warranty now for probably [TS]

00:12:10   a decent price and it's still the same [TS]

00:12:13   machine being sold new you know more [TS]

00:12:15   more realistically you know you most [TS]

00:12:17   people would be doing that most people [TS]

00:12:19   can get this get similarly great deals [TS]

00:12:20   on like a macbook pro you can get the [TS]

00:12:23   first generation retina macbook pro is [TS]

00:12:25   from 2012's now four years old and it's [TS]

00:12:27   not that different from the ones they're [TS]

00:12:29   selling brand new still today like it [TS]

00:12:31   isn't that much slower you know you [TS]

00:12:33   might you might have to replace the [TS]

00:12:34   battery if it's worn out but these you [TS]

00:12:37   know the poly batteries don't work don't [TS]

00:12:38   wear out that quickly so like you can [TS]

00:12:41   really get amazing deals on like three [TS]

00:12:44   to five year old Max now that are almost [TS]

00:12:46   as good as the ones they are still [TS]

00:12:48   selling brand new today I have trouble [TS]

00:12:50   bending my mind in such a way that this [TS]

00:12:52   is actually a good thing like i know [TS]

00:12:54   some people can you know is it like I'm [TS]

00:12:55   not missing out as its not much for [TS]

00:12:57   someone you could buy new but it is [TS]

00:12:58   still a really old and really slow [TS]

00:13:01   computer just so happens that you can [TS]

00:13:03   even buy one is that much better but it [TS]

00:13:05   doesn't change like an absolute values [TS]

00:13:07   the state of Metal Machine and also it [TS]

00:13:10   may not change like Apple sort of [TS]

00:13:11   deprecation window like a like mind [TS]

00:13:13   pro and a bunch of machines don't have [TS]

00:13:15   support for mac OS ER and stuff i'm not [TS]

00:13:17   sure that window Apple sort of sliding [TS]

00:13:20   window of dropping old hardware support [TS]

00:13:21   for os's takes into account the fact [TS]

00:13:23   that Apple is not making their computers [TS]

00:13:24   much better so I think that window moves [TS]

00:13:26   along whether Apple releases new max or [TS]

00:13:28   not which is kind of said and really [TS]

00:13:31   you're right it's not there not that [TS]

00:13:33   much worse than the current ones in some [TS]

00:13:35   cases you can find a machine that's it [TS]

00:13:36   that's a couple years old that has some [TS]

00:13:37   attributes that are actually a little [TS]

00:13:39   bit better than the current machines but [TS]

00:13:40   all you're doing is putting yourself [TS]

00:13:44   even farther back so that when the new [TS]

00:13:46   max and i really do come back like that [TS]

00:13:48   gap will suddenly want because we all [TS]

00:13:50   presume apple will continue to produce [TS]

00:13:52   Macintosh's in the future at some point [TS]

00:13:54   and when they come out suddenly that you [TS]

00:13:59   know the the feeling that you have it's [TS]

00:14:01   like oh this is such a bargain such a [TS]

00:14:02   good deal because the gap between you [TS]

00:14:04   and the best available is small the gap [TS]

00:14:06   between you and the best available is [TS]

00:14:08   about to take a giant leap and that's [TS]

00:14:10   not gonna feel too good so I yeah it i [TS]

00:14:14   can see whether this person is coming [TS]

00:14:15   from but my to my mind my personality I [TS]

00:14:20   think it's even worse to buy used one [TS]

00:14:21   now it's kind of like if Apple was [TS]

00:14:25   rapidly advancing you could get a used [TS]

00:14:27   one that is better in terms of absolute [TS]

00:14:28   value just because they're going forward [TS]

00:14:31   so quickly that you don't but everything [TS]

00:14:35   but like I I think it's better [TS]

00:14:38   all-around maybe i'm just sad about this [TS]

00:14:40   well I mean I suppose you could look at [TS]

00:14:42   the the most horrible way which is if [TS]

00:14:44   you buy a brand-new machine from apple [TS]

00:14:46   today you're basically buying a 30 pitch [TS]

00:14:49   in at four brand-new fries i'm saying [TS]

00:14:53   like saving like save your money and [TS]

00:14:54   rather don't buy you don't buy new one [TS]

00:14:56   don't buy used one just keep putting [TS]

00:14:58   money into your little buy a mac later [TS]

00:15:00   fund so that when they do come out with [TS]

00:15:01   new ones you can get a fancier sure but [TS]

00:15:03   if you if you need a mac now and u14 [TS]

00:15:06   like I don't know [TS]

00:15:07   700 bucks like what do you really and [TS]

00:15:09   especially if the mac mini is not going [TS]

00:15:12   to suit your needs which at seven or [TS]

00:15:14   seventy bucks it almost certainly won't [TS]

00:15:16   and even if even with infinite money it [TS]

00:15:18   might not if you really want a laptop [TS]

00:15:19   which almost everybody does these days [TS]

00:15:21   you know it if you have that kind of [TS]

00:15:23   budget and [TS]

00:15:24   you know a good macbook or macbook pros [TS]

00:15:26   gonna cost you nearly two thousand [TS]

00:15:28   dollars you know once its options [TS]

00:15:31   reasonably then that's a pretty good [TS]

00:15:34   option to you know get a three-year-old [TS]

00:15:35   14 you know basically you know get [TS]

00:15:38   today's mac for what it's actually worth [TS]

00:15:40   today which is a three-year-old was [TS]

00:15:42   surprised if I had a business and I [TS]

00:15:44   absolutely had to buy was like new [TS]

00:15:46   employees becoming a bar and we didn't [TS]

00:15:47   have computers to them i might buy you [TS]

00:15:50   the cheapest use when I could possibly [TS]

00:15:51   get with the idea that i will buy a new [TS]

00:15:53   one also like as soon as they come out [TS]

00:15:55   because that that is probably like [TS]

00:15:57   what's the least amount of money we can [TS]

00:15:59   spend now to get a computer on your desk [TS]

00:16:00   that you can use while we wait for the [TS]

00:16:03   new mexico out knowing that as soon as [TS]

00:16:05   they do we are going to resell those [TS]

00:16:07   used ones and get a new one for you that [TS]

00:16:09   makes sense to me [TS]

00:16:10   I mean you could you could probably get [TS]

00:16:11   a used 101 for the same price it will [TS]

00:16:15   cost to upgrade the new one to one [TS]

00:16:17   terabyte don't remind me [TS]

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00:16:36   nobody has time for it now it's summer [TS]

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00:16:41   activities and be nice to have somebody [TS]

00:16:43   else pick out all these things for you [TS]

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00:16:51   bot stylist this is not like a little [TS]

00:16:53   window on a website that you type into [TS]

00:16:55   and you kind of wonder is that even [TS]

00:16:56   humanly the slider is a bot this is an [TS]

00:16:58   actual human that they contact you and [TS]

00:17:01   you know you get assigned at one person [TS]

00:17:03   and that they're real [TS]

00:17:05   they really exist they're real person [TS]

00:17:06   you know their name they know your name [TS]

00:17:08   you send them your measurements and [TS]

00:17:09   everything and they and you said you [TS]

00:17:12   telling your preferences what kind of [TS]

00:17:13   stuff you like because if you don't and [TS]

00:17:15   they make it easy to look your best [TS]

00:17:18   by sending your clothes that will fit [TS]

00:17:19   you perfectly they hand-picked them the [TS]

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00:17:24   know they have your measurement and [TS]

00:17:25   everything else they pick clothes from [TS]

00:17:27   over a top brands and ship them right to [TS]

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00:17:36   whether you want to be simple [TS]

00:17:37   on-demand whatever you ask you can have [TS]

00:17:39   them send it to you once once a month [TS]

00:17:41   once a quarter [TS]

00:17:42   once a year whatever you want so it [TS]

00:17:44   isn't like a subscription we're just [TS]

00:17:46   paying every month no matter what you [TS]

00:17:47   use you you you tell them when you want [TS]

00:17:50   them to send you a trunk full of clothes [TS]

00:17:52   and they will send it to you and then [TS]

00:17:54   you can try things on for up to 10 days [TS]

00:17:56   in your home and then you just keep what [TS]

00:17:59   you want to keep and they charge you for [TS]

00:18:01   that and you send back anything you [TS]

00:18:02   don't want [TS]

00:18:03   so it's totally risk-free this is [TS]

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00:18:07   real personal stylist with your [TS]

00:18:09   measurements and preferences in mind [TS]

00:18:10   this is not just another way to another [TS]

00:18:12   way to shop online because this is all [TS]

00:18:13   human trip and a risk-free they send you [TS]

00:18:16   stuff right to your door you try it on [TS]

00:18:18   you keep what you like you send back the [TS]

00:18:20   rest and you only pay for what you keep [TS]

00:18:22   so make a statement today at the next [TS]

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00:18:42   club com / ATP thanks a lot i talked a [TS]

00:18:49   lot about this on a recent episode of [TS]

00:18:51   reconcile the differences that I think [TS]

00:18:52   it's not out yet so I don't really have [TS]

00:18:54   that much to reach read about it here [TS]

00:18:56   although honestly I'm not sure how much [TS]

00:18:58   overlap there is no dancing those two [TS]

00:19:00   shows so may be able to sell the same [TS]

00:19:01   things again in true Marco fashion he [TS]

00:19:04   says he doesn't have anything to say [TS]

00:19:05   about a topic menu says everything over [TS]

00:19:06   again [TS]

00:19:07   um so this topic is twitter twitter [TS]

00:19:11   little verified checkmark the [TS]

00:19:13   historically people have had if you're a [TS]

00:19:15   super important celebrity and people [TS]

00:19:17   want to know like is the real Sheryl [TS]

00:19:19   Crow and you look at their little [TS]

00:19:20   twitter profile and it shows a little [TS]

00:19:22   check mark you're like oh it must be the [TS]

00:19:23   real one and not the million parody [TS]

00:19:26   impersonation accounts or whatever of [TS]

00:19:28   which there are many how to Julian [TS]

00:19:30   Sheryl Crow is your example example I [TS]

00:19:32   don't know I was trying to think of a [TS]

00:19:33   celebrity I could the kids know these [TS]

00:19:35   days and shuttlecock sheryl crow the [TS]

00:19:38   most recent celebrity come up with Free [TS]

00:19:40   Association now it's not the most recent [TS]

00:19:42   but like I mean I guess I could've gone [TS]

00:19:43   with taylor swift I mean I don't know [TS]

00:19:45   what you anyway that's what the check [TS]

00:19:47   mark has been for historically and I [TS]

00:19:49   think we've talked about this topic [TS]

00:19:51   before how it would be much better if [TS]

00:19:54   that kind of attestation where twitter [TS]

00:19:57   says yes we are telling you that this is [TS]

00:20:00   actually the person you think it is if [TS]

00:20:02   that was available too many more people [TS]

00:20:03   because it's not just celebrities that [TS]

00:20:04   suffering from counts that I've [TS]

00:20:05   impersonate them and otherwise make [TS]

00:20:09   their lives miserable by people [TS]

00:20:10   mistaking them for somebody else just [TS]

00:20:12   like different unicode characters are [TS]

00:20:14   capitalized instead of an L or like [TS]

00:20:16   whatever I mean I don't understand that [TS]

00:20:18   much because you can just right click on [TS]

00:20:20   your web browser and take a screenshot [TS]

00:20:21   much easier than making a fake Twitter [TS]

00:20:23   account but anyway the second aspect of [TS]

00:20:26   this is because because historically [TS]

00:20:27   been celebrities that get that check [TS]

00:20:29   mark [TS]

00:20:30   twitter has rolled out a series of like [TS]

00:20:33   different views and tools and filters [TS]

00:20:35   and features in their official client [TS]

00:20:37   that are only available to people who [TS]

00:20:39   are verified with the idea being they [TS]

00:20:40   have so many followers and have so many [TS]

00:20:42   replies to go through they need extra [TS]

00:20:43   tools to deal with their stuff and again [TS]

00:20:45   a lot of people who deal with harassment [TS]

00:20:48   and other problems on Twitter could also [TS]

00:20:50   use those tools but oh they're not [TS]

00:20:52   important enough to get verified and so [TS]

00:20:55   I think our last conversation about this [TS]

00:20:57   but I was saying and so we're giving you [TS]

00:21:00   two were green like verification should [TS]

00:21:02   be available to everybody and we [TS]

00:21:04   understand that it takes time and [TS]

00:21:06   possibly money to verify because they [TS]

00:21:08   have a look at your gonna need like a [TS]

00:21:09   state ID or they basically need to check [TS]

00:21:11   that you really are you and that takes [TS]

00:21:12   time and human being has to do it in [TS]

00:21:14   that costs money but we like just charge [TS]

00:21:17   a fee for it if it costs you money we're [TS]

00:21:19   not saying where you have to give us [TS]

00:21:20   away for four free charging nominal fee [TS]

00:21:22   because pretty much everybody i know who [TS]

00:21:24   desperately wants to be verified for [TS]

00:21:26   actual for a purpose you know to to get [TS]

00:21:28   the tools to deal with harassment or to [TS]

00:21:29   make sure that they're not impersonated [TS]

00:21:31   would gladly pay a nominal fee to I mean [TS]

00:21:35   they'll throw the money at you in two [TS]

00:21:36   seconds to get the little check market [TS]

00:21:38   says yes I really am my is limited [TS]

00:21:40   celebrities why not open to everybody so [TS]

00:21:43   in theory recently [TS]

00:21:45   twitter has changed its rules in the [TS]

00:21:46   light of the whole Ghostbusters abuse [TS]

00:21:49   thing and all you know one of the stars [TS]

00:21:50   Ghostbusters got it chased off twitter [TS]

00:21:52   by a bunch of terrible people i don't [TS]

00:21:55   know if that was the impetus behind this [TS]

00:21:56   move but it you know timing was it looks [TS]

00:21:58   like it [TS]

00:21:59   twitter verification is now open to [TS]

00:22:02   anybody who wants to fill out an [TS]

00:22:03   application on towards web [TS]

00:22:04   site you told a bunch of field you try [TS]

00:22:06   to tell them why you think you should be [TS]

00:22:07   verified if you're a brand or a company [TS]

00:22:10   you can check checkbox for that if your [TS]

00:22:12   individual you tell them like here's all [TS]

00:22:14   the places where you can see why i am [TS]

00:22:15   here's why should be verified and then [TS]

00:22:17   it goes to a big black hole in theory [TS]

00:22:19   they come back and say yes your verified [TS]

00:22:21   or no you're not and this comes up [TS]

00:22:26   specifically as it relates to the show [TS]

00:22:27   because Marc Marquez verify for a long [TS]

00:22:31   time whether you were verified like the [TS]

00:22:32   very beginning this is why would I i got [TS]

00:22:35   verified like three weeks ago course [TS]

00:22:37   it's it was really recently I thought [TS]

00:22:39   you've been verified for a long time no [TS]

00:22:41   I i started ranting about it there is [TS]

00:22:43   some well it was when the most app [TS]

00:22:47   engage with that they launched a couple [TS]

00:22:49   weeks ago with my son of AI like the [TS]

00:22:50   celebrity only yeah and see what people [TS]

00:22:54   are saying about your tweets or whatever [TS]

00:22:55   like he go surfing yeah i mean if [TS]

00:22:57   anybody could use it but yeah I mean I [TS]

00:22:59   actually use it for a few for a few days [TS]

00:23:00   on my phone and kind of try out but when [TS]

00:23:03   that launched i was i was basically [TS]

00:23:04   ranting about how like you know this app [TS]

00:23:06   gave special privileges to verified [TS]

00:23:09   people in the in the way that like not [TS]

00:23:11   not as the very people using the app but [TS]

00:23:14   if you were verified you your tweets [TS]

00:23:17   would show up in these filter views [TS]

00:23:18   higher than non verified people and I [TS]

00:23:21   was just like yet one more thing that [TS]

00:23:23   was because the verified system has you [TS]

00:23:25   know having assessment this has lots of [TS]

00:23:26   problems and inequalities that inherent [TS]

00:23:28   in it you know it's one thing if it's [TS]

00:23:30   only for identity verification but once [TS]

00:23:33   you add any other like bonus features or [TS]

00:23:36   higher statuses once you attach those to [TS]

00:23:39   verified status it makes this program [TS]

00:23:41   something that should be available to [TS]

00:23:43   everybody because then it's like well [TS]

00:23:44   you know if verified people get their [TS]

00:23:46   tweets seen more in certain filters are [TS]

00:23:49   going higher priority things are get [TS]

00:23:50   certain abuse control filters that that [TS]

00:23:52   other people don't get I mean everybody [TS]

00:23:54   should be able to be verified that [TS]

00:23:56   because then that's that it's a feature [TS]

00:23:57   segment not like a status thing and anti [TS]

00:24:01   status to also like abuse control [TS]

00:24:04   features and relevancy insert stuff is [TS]

00:24:07   that's kind of its kind of icky you know [TS]

00:24:10   so I was ranting raving about that and a [TS]

00:24:12   nice person who worked twitter submitted [TS]

00:24:16   me [TS]

00:24:18   but it seems like that's been open to [TS]

00:24:19   the public now that's great sort of it's [TS]

00:24:22   great in that ok will now a lot more [TS]

00:24:24   people can get verified but it still is [TS]

00:24:28   subject to some kind of like importance [TS]

00:24:30   judgment on undecided who was reviewing [TS]

00:24:33   these forms because we know like for [TS]

00:24:35   example a federal poverty she got [TS]

00:24:37   rejected which is insane by the way it [TS]

00:24:40   completely a person who at it is like he [TS]

00:24:42   has his own website that popular [TS]

00:24:45   websites around for years [TS]

00:24:47   yes like I said a pillar of the [TS]

00:24:49   community but it's not an obscure place [TS]

00:24:51   he's not an obscure person and he's not [TS]

00:24:53   even like just like a random person who [TS]

00:24:56   happens to have a blog like this is [TS]

00:24:57   years and years of working in like if he [TS]

00:25:00   doesn't I he should be verified under [TS]

00:25:02   the the old password toting around all [TS]

00:25:04   the websites that like all the tax act [TS]

00:25:07   or whatever and say hey here you go [TS]

00:25:09   anybody who works your website can get a [TS]

00:25:10   check mark didn't get one then and the [TS]

00:25:13   fact that rejecting out makes no sense [TS]

00:25:15   exactly because like for you know they [TS]

00:25:17   they always a you know that they had a [TS]

00:25:19   lot of rules shifts over time of what [TS]

00:25:22   kind of people would get verified [TS]

00:25:24   initially when i first started it was [TS]

00:25:25   basically like people who had the most [TS]

00:25:27   followers on Twitter and kind of work [TS]

00:25:29   their way down the following account [TS]

00:25:31   until they got just above my number of [TS]

00:25:32   followers they stopped and they say and [TS]

00:25:35   then it was ok well now we're gonna do [TS]

00:25:37   like you know public figures like [TS]

00:25:39   celebrities put politicians and people [TS]

00:25:42   who work for the media and that was kind [TS]

00:25:44   of loosely defined the media it always [TS]

00:25:46   meant whatever kind of media I didn't do [TS]

00:25:48   so it was you know not just bloggers and [TS]

00:25:51   not podcasters and not app developers [TS]

00:25:54   but if you work for like a journalism [TS]

00:25:57   thing whatever however they find that it [TS]

00:26:00   was it [TS]

00:26:01   these definitions we shifted and we're [TS]

00:26:02   very vague and really very much based on [TS]

00:26:04   like does some handful of people at [TS]

00:26:07   Twitter think you're important this [TS]

00:26:09   month and it was it was weird it was [TS]

00:26:11   like if you worked for you know if if [TS]

00:26:14   they declared a certain website of [TS]

00:26:16   publication to be like a verified [TS]

00:26:18   publication anybody who worked for them [TS]

00:26:21   would get verified like this big batch [TS]

00:26:23   that they would do and so like you you'd [TS]

00:26:26   have people who like wrote one article [TS]

00:26:28   44 like a paper somewhere [TS]

00:26:30   I'd like 400 followers and they verified [TS]

00:26:32   and then you have people of like 50,000 [TS]

00:26:35   followers who can't get verified it just [TS]

00:26:37   it was always a weird system and it's [TS]

00:26:40   always been this kind of like vaguely [TS]

00:26:42   defined very like cumin judgy kind of [TS]

00:26:46   clarification like I I feel like one of [TS]

00:26:49   our friends reached out about a year ago [TS]

00:26:51   to see to try to get the three of us [TS]

00:26:54   verified and they told because you know [TS]

00:26:56   he knew a guy who knew a guy and the [TS]

00:26:58   response was we don't consider [TS]

00:27:01   podcasters to be media personalities at [TS]

00:27:03   this time and youtubers were getting it [TS]

00:27:05   the podcasters more it's just like it's [TS]

00:27:08   always been this weird system and its [TS]

00:27:11   it's always gonna rub me the wrong way [TS]

00:27:12   that's why i started complaining and [TS]

00:27:13   eventually I complain enough like I [TS]

00:27:14   verified and I made a joke when I got [TS]

00:27:16   verified that you know now that i got it [TS]

00:27:18   in like three weeks they're going to [TS]

00:27:19   just end the program and they didn't [TS]

00:27:22   instead it was open to everybody looks [TS]

00:27:23   like it's been well i got like that so [TS]

00:27:27   your complaint was originally hey it's [TS]

00:27:29   like you said it's a stupid tie features [TS]

00:27:31   and things that a lot of people could [TS]

00:27:33   use to this whole vague status thing [TS]

00:27:35   right exactly and i'm not saying that [TS]

00:27:37   whoever was to help you speaks for all [TS]

00:27:39   twitter but what happened was not [TS]

00:27:42   hey you know marker you have a point we [TS]

00:27:44   should change the way we do things [TS]

00:27:45   instead it was hey you know Marco if we [TS]

00:27:48   give you a check mark will you shut up [TS]

00:27:49   like I'm not yet another thing that yes [TS]

00:27:51   that was the intent or whatever but like [TS]

00:27:53   it adversely the person who did this [TS]

00:27:56   view is not empowered to change [TS]

00:27:57   Twitter's policy right so they can't [TS]

00:27:58   like it's not a CEO that did this for [TS]

00:28:00   you i'm assuming right so they just [TS]

00:28:02   tried to do the nice thing that could [TS]

00:28:03   make you feel better which is a good [TS]

00:28:04   customer service move and it's like I [TS]

00:28:06   can actually solve your problem but how [TS]

00:28:08   about if i do this is to make you feel [TS]

00:28:09   better and like you know what kind of [TS]

00:28:10   does make me feel a little better but I [TS]

00:28:12   didn't do anything to it to solve the [TS]

00:28:13   actual problem because the person who [TS]

00:28:15   cared about this was obviously not the [TS]

00:28:17   CEO or anyone in a position to solve the [TS]

00:28:18   problem and as for that the media things [TS]

00:28:22   to to reinforce your point that anybody [TS]

00:28:25   vaguely associated with anything to get [TS]

00:28:27   one when the Twitter checkmark fairy [TS]

00:28:30   came to Ars Technica is offered to [TS]

00:28:32   everybody including to me and i am one [TS]

00:28:34   of those people who writes like one [TS]

00:28:35   article year I didn't 400 followers but [TS]

00:28:37   you know I was not a my contribution [TS]

00:28:40   star tecnica though they may have been [TS]

00:28:42   large in size where [TS]

00:28:43   few in number and i was offered to check [TS]

00:28:46   mark and I didn't take it because part [TS]

00:28:49   of the conditions were you would be [TS]

00:28:50   getting a check mark as part of our [TS]

00:28:51   technique as you have to use your are [TS]

00:28:52   technically email to be associated with [TS]

00:28:54   it and I didn't want to check mark [TS]

00:28:55   Esparza a because I didn't feel like I [TS]

00:28:57   was part of ours like I was a freelancer [TS]

00:28:58   i'm not i don't have any sort of you [TS]

00:29:01   know stake in the company i'm not even a [TS]

00:29:03   full-time employee and never have been [TS]

00:29:04   right and be I didn't want to check mark [TS]

00:29:07   as part of our tecnica I because I'm a [TS]

00:29:09   giant ego maniac or whatever want to be [TS]

00:29:11   recognized for myself and if you don't [TS]

00:29:13   want to recognize give me a check mark [TS]

00:29:15   for being me than fine i don't want one [TS]

00:29:17   like I don't want to be an architect his [TS]

00:29:18   coattails or whatever so for multiple [TS]

00:29:21   reasons I turned that one down and I [TS]

00:29:23   figured Mike look around you know it [TS]

00:29:24   never gonna check mark and we're going [TS]

00:29:26   to check mark right but this whole thing [TS]

00:29:29   of like whatever I've always you can [TS]

00:29:31   find a press release or whatever was [TS]

00:29:32   opening it up to everybody the [TS]

00:29:34   application process may be open to [TS]

00:29:36   everybody but as the TV shows [TS]

00:29:38   it's not as if they opened up the check [TS]

00:29:40   marked everybody not only did they not [TS]

00:29:41   open it up to everybody but their [TS]

00:29:43   definition doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:29:45   because it's maybe it's a slightly [TS]

00:29:47   broader definition but if the teacher [TS]

00:29:48   doesn't fit under the definition then I [TS]

00:29:50   should get a check mark either and I [TS]

00:29:52   don't like that because i want to check [TS]

00:29:53   mark that's what this time because [TS]

00:29:56   beyond all reason I want to stupid [TS]

00:29:58   checkmark and as I whined about at [TS]

00:30:01   length on reconcile the differences i [TS]

00:30:03   don't need to check mark like the people [TS]

00:30:05   who actually needed people who are [TS]

00:30:06   actually the targets of harassment who [TS]

00:30:08   need these tools people who have huge [TS]

00:30:11   number of accounts impersonating them [TS]

00:30:12   because I mean Brad Brianna was that the [TS]

00:30:14   poster child for this like the fact that [TS]

00:30:16   she doesn't have a checkmark makes no [TS]

00:30:18   sense she's constantly in touch with [TS]

00:30:19   twitter sending them hundreds of reports [TS]

00:30:21   getting accounts banned and no one [TS]

00:30:22   received the receiving end of this flood [TS]

00:30:24   of like reports reviews of Tears goes [TS]

00:30:26   you know it might help this person maybe [TS]

00:30:29   we should make her verified and she has [TS]

00:30:31   a huge number of followers to like every [TS]

00:30:32   criteria you possibly think of like for [TS]

00:30:35   someone who's like not a publication or [TS]

00:30:36   whatever that doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:30:39   so I'm frustrated with these strange [TS]

00:30:41   rules i'm frustrated that even under the [TS]

00:30:44   strange rules i still don't have one and [TS]

00:30:46   yes i did apply applied on wednesday i [TS]

00:30:49   had to fill in a bio which I never [TS]

00:30:51   filled out on Twitter intentionally [TS]

00:30:52   again was not [TS]

00:30:54   10 minutes of whining about this and [TS]

00:30:56   resolve differences it's impossible to [TS]

00:30:58   write a bio that doesn't sound god-awful [TS]

00:31:00   so i just got off a vile you look at [TS]

00:31:02   twitter.com / syracuse right now you'll [TS]

00:31:04   see my god awful bio i had to put a [TS]

00:31:06   birthday i already had header image i [TS]

00:31:09   will end when either the application i [TS]

00:31:11   was worried that they would get yelled [TS]

00:31:12   at for my header image my header image [TS]

00:31:14   is a picture from the video game journey [TS]

00:31:15   which I love and everyone should play [TS]

00:31:16   and no one should get be spoiled about [TS]

00:31:18   and it's like a-a-a-a wallpaper that you [TS]

00:31:21   could download from sony's website but [TS]

00:31:23   technically contains like copyrighted [TS]

00:31:25   images or whatever like maybe go to the [TS]

00:31:27   sony sites like hey you're just in [TS]

00:31:28   journey come here and here are [TS]

00:31:29   wallpapers and that's one of the [TS]

00:31:31   wallpaper so I assume it's free for me [TS]

00:31:32   to take and put as my header image i [TS]

00:31:35   don't even know anyway I filled it out i [TS]

00:31:38   have not heard back from everyone else's [TS]

00:31:40   today I entered this thing into the [TS]

00:31:42   application and I heard back and I'm [TS]

00:31:43   verified and i have a check mark all [TS]

00:31:45   sorts check marks at blue checkmark [TS]

00:31:46   sprouting everywhere and honestly I [TS]

00:31:48   shouldn't care all i should care about [TS]

00:31:50   is that the people who actually need [TS]

00:31:51   check marks at them and by the way those [TS]

00:31:53   people still aren't getting them which I [TS]

00:31:55   don't understand but anyway you need one [TS]

00:31:56   John you need one [TS]

00:31:57   yeah i'm not getting one either this is [TS]

00:31:59   like the good version of a Wikipedia [TS]

00:32:00   page because everyone thinks they want a [TS]

00:32:02   Wikipedia page but anyone's heard me [TS]

00:32:04   talk about what he knows i have many [TS]

00:32:07   problems wikipedia i don't want to [TS]

00:32:08   wikipedia page is the curse more than a [TS]

00:32:10   blessing but but a checkmark it's [TS]

00:32:12   basically only upside and no real [TS]

00:32:15   downside and I I don't have them [TS]

00:32:17   let me tell you why you want one because [TS]

00:32:19   like you know why I want one you notice [TS]

00:32:21   or legal maniacs first of all [TS]

00:32:23   yep but like you can look at it from [TS]

00:32:25   like the original purpose of verified [TS]

00:32:27   and it's kind of like the lock icon on [TS]

00:32:30   SL site you know I get a lock on your [TS]

00:32:33   address bar [TS]

00:32:34   first of all you can quit there is worth [TS]

00:32:36   question like is that even effective [TS]

00:32:37   because we know that we know very much [TS]

00:32:39   that the lock icon address bars has [TS]

00:32:42   never been very effective because nobody [TS]

00:32:43   goes to check it and all the web [TS]

00:32:45   browsers keep updating their designs to [TS]

00:32:48   more and more emphasized the security [TS]

00:32:51   level of the site that you're on or to [TS]

00:32:54   put up even crazier and scarier warnings [TS]

00:32:56   if something is not quite right and yet [TS]

00:32:58   people still get fished all times [TS]

00:33:01   and still into their stuff and insecure [TS]

00:33:04   forms and everything so we know that [TS]

00:33:06   that kind of warning doesn't really work [TS]

00:33:10   for the most part for most people [TS]

00:33:11   because most people just don't think to [TS]

00:33:13   check that kind of thing or they don't [TS]

00:33:15   know to check the kind of thing and even [TS]

00:33:17   if they know they sometimes forget and [TS]

00:33:18   just miss it [TS]

00:33:19   whether its original purpose is kind of [TS]

00:33:21   its not that relevant because the [TS]

00:33:23   original purpose is not a very strong [TS]

00:33:25   purpose what it really is is jewelry it [TS]

00:33:29   is it is a surprise it is it is a assign [TS]

00:33:33   awarded to you that says I am important [TS]

00:33:35   and because it is emphasized everywhere [TS]

00:33:39   you're seeing those big blue checkmarks [TS]

00:33:41   always important people in your timeline [TS]

00:33:42   so it is very much a status symbol and [TS]

00:33:45   whether whether you need or want the [TS]

00:33:48   additional filtering features it brings [TS]

00:33:49   you want to be a special person and [TS]

00:33:52   honestly when I got it I have almost [TS]

00:33:55   felt like a responsibility has been [TS]

00:33:57   granted to me and I have to like to eat [TS]

00:33:59   more responsibly now it's weird like [TS]

00:34:01   it's a right [TS]

00:34:02   how does one go about 20 more [TS]

00:34:04   responsibly when you're not winning that [TS]

00:34:06   previously you would have to eat it it's [TS]

00:34:07   it's like getting like a like a BS title [TS]

00:34:10   at work to try to like make you more [TS]

00:34:11   responsible like it's totally worked on [TS]

00:34:13   meet you there like I'm like well you [TS]

00:34:15   know I'm like representing the blue [TS]

00:34:17   checkmark now I I better you know you [TS]

00:34:19   know that it is like how like contract [TS]

00:34:20   supposed to like you know drinking bars [TS]

00:34:22   in their uniforms and I kind of feel [TS]

00:34:24   like you know I i got like you know be [TS]

00:34:25   good for this checkmark and Beyond but [TS]

00:34:27   beyond better behavior now because it [TS]

00:34:29   because you can't say that it's not [TS]

00:34:30   really Marco but not that really me [TS]

00:34:32   that's an impersonator know it just kind [TS]

00:34:33   of feels like I've been blessed with [TS]

00:34:35   this honor that I have to like treat [TS]

00:34:36   well I don't know it's it does it's not [TS]

00:34:38   rational but that's how it feels [TS]

00:34:40   well for what it's worth the there's an [TS]

00:34:43   account which is at verified is that the [TS]

00:34:46   this is an account on Twitter that from [TS]

00:34:48   what i can tell follows every verified [TS]

00:34:51   account and it follows a hundred ninety [TS]

00:34:54   thousand fourteen accounts as we record [TS]

00:34:55   one of those accounts ladies and [TS]

00:34:57   gentlemen is this guy because guess who [TS]

00:35:00   got his blue checkmark a couple days ago [TS]

00:35:02   i did in man John does it feel good [TS]

00:35:05   oh I'm sorry yeah it's okay it's not bad [TS]

00:35:08   but the thing that burns me up so much [TS]

00:35:09   about your check mark that you've got to [TS]

00:35:12   six hours after filling out the app [TS]

00:35:14   patient like you fill out the [TS]

00:35:15   application not too long before i did [TS]

00:35:18   like basically I didn't fill it out [TS]

00:35:19   because i was too busy podcasting with [TS]

00:35:21   Marlon while trying to fill it out which [TS]

00:35:22   is why we ended up talking about it and [TS]

00:35:25   so when the show is over i filled it out [TS]

00:35:26   you feel that you said what six hours [TS]

00:35:29   later you got your check mark [TS]

00:35:30   yeah it was a little after noon on [TS]

00:35:33   whatever day it was announced and it was [TS]

00:35:36   just before I recorded the latest [TS]

00:35:39   episode of analog that i received it and [TS]

00:35:41   so we actually talked my can I talk [TS]

00:35:42   about this on analog as well but yeah it [TS]

00:35:45   was somewhere around six or seven hours [TS]

00:35:47   it's like it's showing up to likes a [TS]

00:35:49   really popular event just after the [TS]

00:35:51   whole crowd gets there like there's a [TS]

00:35:52   line of five people can you wait 15 [TS]

00:35:54   minutes there's a line of 3,000 people [TS]

00:35:56   so now I'm somewhere back in EQI just [TS]

00:35:58   assume i'm going to get rejected because [TS]

00:35:59   that would fit perfectly with the [TS]

00:36:01   completely arbitrary pattern of like not [TS]

00:36:04   giving the g1 rejecting the TG and just [TS]

00:36:06   never responding to Brianna like it fits [TS]

00:36:09   perfectly with with the the whole notion [TS]

00:36:10   that is just like a hamster in a wheel [TS]

00:36:13   over there some kind of random number [TS]

00:36:15   generator and no actual human with any [TS]

00:36:17   kind of judgment is doing this because [TS]

00:36:18   honestly if there was anybody with any [TS]

00:36:20   kind of judgment doing this like not [TS]

00:36:22   giving verified checkmarks immediately [TS]

00:36:25   every single target of gamergate like I [TS]

00:36:27   don't understand the meeting where you [TS]

00:36:29   would like to we didn't think about this [TS]

00:36:31   and should get the check now that's just [TS]

00:36:33   not ever do it for like a year [TS]

00:36:35   that sounds good guys ok good let's [TS]

00:36:37   break for lunch like I don't understand [TS]

00:36:38   the logic don't understand that collect [TS]

00:36:40   I don't understand [TS]

00:36:41   and how can it be staff to such a degree [TS]

00:36:44   that Casey's wait time is six hours and [TS]

00:36:46   that they they gave him a thumbs up and [TS]

00:36:48   yet all these other people don't get the [TS]

00:36:50   idea it doesn't make sense to me anyway [TS]

00:36:53   I totally recognize that this entire [TS]

00:36:56   topic of conversation is obnoxious and [TS]

00:36:59   that I shouldn't care what do you care [TS]

00:37:01   because they made us care they [TS]

00:37:03   manipulated listen to caring for these [TS]

00:37:04   blue checkmark yeah there are some with [TS]

00:37:06   some legit reasons that did that at a [TS]

00:37:08   regular person would want this like [TS]

00:37:10   people who don't need it like me like [TS]

00:37:12   that because you get you get more [TS]

00:37:13   features that make Twitter nicer to use [TS]

00:37:15   and I think you're thinking the lock [TS]

00:37:16   icon is great just like I want my [TS]

00:37:18   account to seem trustworthy and two [TS]

00:37:21   people not to think it's me and I have [TS]

00:37:23   had a few impersonators have reported in [TS]

00:37:25   their accounts have gotten close and [TS]

00:37:26   like whatever [TS]

00:37:27   it's not i don't have any actual issues [TS]

00:37:29   but it put it this way if they literally [TS]

00:37:32   open to everybody with ten bucks i would [TS]

00:37:34   pay ten bucks in a second [TS]

00:37:36   oh yeah I mean like I i registered the [TS]

00:37:38   overcast account for and I I i signed up [TS]

00:37:41   for I filled out the form roughly the [TS]

00:37:43   same time you did I think John and I [TS]

00:37:44   haven't heard back from that either it's [TS]

00:37:45   still pending but I did it for for [TS]

00:37:48   basically that reason of like I wanted [TS]

00:37:50   the overcast twitter account to appear [TS]

00:37:52   you know official to really make it look [TS]

00:37:54   like this is a real business for a real [TS]

00:37:56   app that that matters in the world [TS]

00:37:58   because it's good enough to get a blue [TS]

00:38:00   checkmark like I want people to see that [TS]

00:38:02   that is that it helps look more [TS]

00:38:04   professional [TS]

00:38:04   I mean we're gonna do the same thing to [TS]

00:38:06   the ATP account 880 pfm on twitter i [TS]

00:38:09   want people to know that's the official [TS]

00:38:10   account of the show and so check mark [TS]

00:38:11   would be good to give them the [TS]

00:38:13   reassurance that they like what was the [TS]

00:38:14   ATP one is not just add ATP that's a [TS]

00:38:16   different one and you might not be sure [TS]

00:38:17   and again like it's a thing I think [TS]

00:38:20   should be open to everybody as in if you [TS]

00:38:23   have ten dollars boom you've got a [TS]

00:38:24   checkmark know like a mechanical process [TS]

00:38:26   with no humans involved except for the [TS]

00:38:28   verification part and that's what you're [TS]

00:38:29   paying your ten dollars for but like the [TS]

00:38:31   idea of being rejected for verification [TS]

00:38:33   doesn't make any sense to me [TS]

00:38:34   yeah yeah it is weird with that said in [TS]

00:38:38   my what is this like three or four days [TS]

00:38:40   of living the sweet sweet sweet blue [TS]

00:38:43   checkmark lifestyle I've only noticed [TS]

00:38:46   two differences so far did you get your [TS]

00:38:48   gift bag [TS]

00:38:49   yeah yeah did you see that special [TS]

00:38:51   present they gave us oh yeah I'm process [TS]

00:38:53   so good that was that was awesome anyway [TS]

00:38:55   so if i look at the tour website on the [TS]

00:39:00   in the settings area on the left hand [TS]

00:39:02   side where it begins with account [TS]

00:39:04   security and privacy blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:39:06   there's a there's another one which i [TS]

00:39:08   believe is new [TS]

00:39:09   that's notifications timeline and I [TS]

00:39:12   don't recall having seen this before and [TS]

00:39:14   it says filter tweets by and then [TS]

00:39:17   there's a checkbox only one of them [TS]

00:39:19   that's quality filter is quality [TS]

00:39:21   filtering aims to remove all tweets from [TS]

00:39:23   your notifications timeline that contain [TS]

00:39:24   threats offensive or abusive language [TS]

00:39:26   duplicate content or sent from [TS]

00:39:28   suspicious accounts i haven't yet turned [TS]

00:39:31   that on just because I don't feel like I [TS]

00:39:34   really need to and what kind what kind [TS]

00:39:36   of people might need that feature i'm [TS]

00:39:37   having trouble thinking of any examples [TS]

00:39:39   want that [TS]

00:39:40   why is this not available to everybody I [TS]

00:39:42   i got the two accounts open here but it [TS]

00:39:44   might be available to everybody because [TS]

00:39:45   like maybe the computational or [TS]

00:39:47   scalability thing or whatever but then [TS]

00:39:49   too bad fix that we have computers now [TS]

00:39:52   computers do these things quickly i'm [TS]

00:39:55   trying to think of a scenario where is [TS]

00:39:56   reasonable but even if you're gonna give [TS]

00:39:58   it to limited set of people who would [TS]

00:40:00   you give it to who might you give this [TS]

00:40:02   thing that's limited say you only have [TS]

00:40:03   you know 500,000 hand out who would you [TS]

00:40:06   give it to [TS]

00:40:07   I don't know maybe you would like you [TS]

00:40:08   said divorce it from there are five and [TS]

00:40:10   offered to people who are constant [TS]

00:40:11   target of abuse or no maybe just not do [TS]

00:40:14   that so yeah so there's that and then it [TS]

00:40:18   was actually Mike who got verified in a [TS]

00:40:22   beautiful wonderful turn of events got [TS]

00:40:23   verified after we recorded analog so I [TS]

00:40:26   had been an entire episode of analog to [TS]

00:40:28   lord over him and and make fun of him [TS]

00:40:30   for not being schools i am which was [TS]

00:40:32   delightful but anyway he had noticed [TS]

00:40:34   once he got verified that apparently in [TS]

00:40:37   the official app there's a notifications [TS]

00:40:39   tab and there's a new entry in the [TS]

00:40:43   segmented control there so he sent me a [TS]

00:40:45   screenshot and what he had was all [TS]

00:40:47   mentions and I believe he said that the [TS]

00:40:50   verified one was new so he can look at [TS]

00:40:53   notifications from everyone noted [TS]

00:40:55   notifications just in terms of mentions [TS]

00:40:57   again this is the official app or I [TS]

00:41:00   guess mentions just from verified people [TS]

00:41:02   or perhaps any sort of notification that [TS]

00:41:03   sourced with a verified individual and [TS]

00:41:06   those the only two differences that I've [TS]

00:41:07   noticed i don't know Marco if you've [TS]

00:41:08   noticed anything else [TS]

00:41:10   well not really just because I don't use [TS]

00:41:13   the official client or the website very [TS]

00:41:15   often same here and so most of the stuff [TS]

00:41:17   only is visible in those places and [TS]

00:41:20   honestly it might be like you know if I [TS]

00:41:22   starting a lot of abuse again I know [TS]

00:41:24   they were there appears in the past [TS]

00:41:26   where I've gotten here and there is [TS]

00:41:27   nothing like what people like Brianna [TS]

00:41:29   cat not in close but you know if that [TS]

00:41:31   kind of thing became a problem for me i [TS]

00:41:33   would very much consideration is [TS]

00:41:35   official apps and again if you're going [TS]

00:41:38   to make this like a content filter kind [TS]

00:41:40   of thing and abuse filter kind of thing [TS]

00:41:42   you want as many people as possible [TS]

00:41:45   who are legitimate account holders to be [TS]

00:41:47   verified and if you charge a bit of [TS]

00:41:48   money to be verified it really does [TS]

00:41:51   you know it it puts a big barrier [TS]

00:41:54   in front of any no not necessarily like [TS]

00:41:56   to the point where nobody can pay but [TS]

00:41:58   not all people will pay in order to make [TS]

00:42:01   a bunch of dummy accounts to troll [TS]

00:42:02   people with or harass people with you [TS]

00:42:04   know typically you know when you pay for [TS]

00:42:07   an account you are less likely to be [TS]

00:42:09   willing to just throw it away and [TS]

00:42:11   because you lose that money and you know [TS]

00:42:13   you have to pay again if you want to [TS]

00:42:14   come back to the service and and like [TS]

00:42:15   there have been like my my old friend [TS]

00:42:17   something awful forums back from my [TS]

00:42:19   early internet days they they have [TS]

00:42:21   system they were you had to pay i [TS]

00:42:23   believe it was ten bucks to register an [TS]

00:42:26   account and it was incredibly effective [TS]

00:42:29   at keeping out spam and crap and if [TS]

00:42:32   anybody got banned you know you get if [TS]

00:42:35   you broke a rule you get banned like [TS]

00:42:37   yours out ten bucks and if you want to [TS]

00:42:40   come back you gotta paint of ten bucks [TS]

00:42:41   and it really did make a big difference [TS]

00:42:43   in how well that community was run and [TS]

00:42:46   how little crap there really was there [TS]

00:42:48   compared to number of people that were [TS]

00:42:49   there you know that's just mean [TS]

00:42:50   probably doesn't work for something [TS]

00:42:52   that's supposed to be as as mass market [TS]

00:42:53   as twitter which is like AI think that [TS]

00:42:56   have to come up with a hybrid strategy [TS]

00:42:57   where they would have to be like we we [TS]

00:43:00   will give out free checkmarks to [TS]

00:43:01   everybody who we think deserves them and [TS]

00:43:03   then we will actually higher or set a [TS]

00:43:05   policy where deserves make some sense to [TS]

00:43:07   somebody in the entire universe and then [TS]

00:43:10   anybody can get if they pay like you [TS]

00:43:11   need to hire because you don't want it [TS]

00:43:12   to be like oh you know so few people [TS]

00:43:14   will pay you don't want to be like only [TS]

00:43:16   people with this amount of disposable [TS]

00:43:18   income are allowed to participate in [TS]

00:43:19   twitter because I think twitter has [TS]

00:43:20   already established itself is sort of [TS]

00:43:21   like everybody can be on twitter it's [TS]

00:43:23   open to everybody it's free but maybe [TS]

00:43:27   that's not sustainable either but it's [TS]

00:43:29   kind of a shame to take a service with [TS]

00:43:30   that broader appeal as opposed to [TS]

00:43:32   something it's like a community like [TS]

00:43:33   metafilter are where those forms you [TS]

00:43:35   were talking about where it's not going [TS]

00:43:37   to be everybody's gonna be a tiny subset [TS]

00:43:38   a very small community and and even [TS]

00:43:41   there's kind of a shame to select only [TS]

00:43:42   people who can afford to add that money [TS]

00:43:44   but you're right that it is like [TS]

00:43:45   incredibly effective to raising the [TS]

00:43:49   quality because no one wants to keep [TS]

00:43:52   paying money to to make sock of it [TS]

00:43:54   puppets because it just it gets [TS]

00:43:56   expensive and it doesn't feel good i [TS]

00:43:59   mean i guess the unfortunately at the [TS]

00:44:01   scale Twitter operates i can imagine [TS]

00:44:03   people like running Kickstarter's to [TS]

00:44:04   fund the creation of the sock puppet [TS]

00:44:06   accounts like in the alternative [TS]

00:44:07   this record was always the pay thing [TS]

00:44:08   they were just raised tens of thousands [TS]

00:44:10   of dollars from horrible people to [TS]

00:44:12   constantly make it site and you know [TS]

00:44:14   anyway this is like so many things [TS]

00:44:16   Twitter does this is weird state where [TS]

00:44:18   it's not clear what the new rules are [TS]

00:44:21   it's not clear how long was the last [TS]

00:44:23   name is Marco said who knows that you're [TS]

00:44:25   checkmarks tomorrow and and split these [TS]

00:44:27   features into different things but at [TS]

00:44:30   least it's some kind of oceanfront and [TS]

00:44:31   by the way speaking of the checkmark i [TS]

00:44:33   use a third-party clients i'm an old [TS]

00:44:35   twitter user I really surprising people [TS]

00:44:38   use the official client but apparently [TS]

00:44:39   lots of actual people do anyway [TS]

00:44:41   and my third party client has an option [TS]

00:44:43   for whether it wants whether it should [TS]

00:44:45   show the checkmark overlaid on the [TS]

00:44:47   little you know avatars for individual [TS]

00:44:49   accounts and I always have it turned off [TS]

00:44:51   because I didn't like when I'm going [TS]

00:44:54   through my time I didn't like the sort [TS]

00:44:56   of the visual indication that this [TS]

00:44:58   person was more important than what they [TS]

00:44:59   had to say was more important [TS]

00:45:01   I mean if I dig into the account I've [TS]

00:45:02   ever have questions or is this really [TS]

00:45:04   the celebrity itap name i can see the [TS]

00:45:06   checkmark but seeing the check market [TS]

00:45:08   but also because i actually follow a lot [TS]

00:45:09   of people who have checkmarks who [TS]

00:45:11   actually no I don't need to constantly [TS]

00:45:12   remind that they will have check marks [TS]

00:45:14   and I felt like it was making me pay [TS]

00:45:15   less attention to the ones that don't [TS]

00:45:16   have checkmark so just turn it off on [TS]

00:45:18   all of them [TS]

00:45:19   you know pretty quickly after that uh [TS]

00:45:20   that feature is available several years [TS]

00:45:22   ago and i would definitely not want to [TS]

00:45:23   turn it back on that either then you [TS]

00:45:25   aren't seeing our bling [TS]

00:45:27   hey I know believe me I know I put it on [TS]

00:45:30   tomorrow I thought I thought you had 14 [TS]

00:45:32   years I'd forgotten about that whole [TS]

00:45:34   little blob thing [TS]

00:45:36   yeah the funny thing is right after i [TS]

00:45:37   got mine mark when I were talking [TS]

00:45:39   privately and we had concluded without a [TS]

00:45:42   shadow of a doubt collectively that [TS]

00:45:44   there was zero chance that you would [TS]

00:45:46   solicit your own checkmark because you [TS]

00:45:48   are above that and then fast forward [TS]

00:45:50   like two hours and you said in the [TS]

00:45:52   release like oh I totally ask them and I [TS]

00:45:55   can't believe i've got no I've I thought [TS]

00:45:57   you knew that we discussed before I want [TS]

00:45:58   to check work forever 10 we knew that [TS]

00:46:01   you wanted to check mark that wasn't up [TS]

00:46:02   for grabs but we also thought there [TS]

00:46:04   would be no chance that you would like [TS]

00:46:05   apply I wouldn't apply now you have to [TS]

00:46:08   have to apply once they say it's open to [TS]

00:46:09   everybody have to apply like it i just [TS]

00:46:11   choked down writing that stupid biome [TS]

00:46:13   like kinda do it like even like a little [TS]

00:46:15   box where they say like tell us why we [TS]

00:46:17   should verify you i wrote like the most [TS]

00:46:18   Craven like disgusting [TS]

00:46:21   here's why I'm an important person thing [TS]

00:46:23   like I'm just like this is the strongest [TS]

00:46:25   argument i have here it is [TS]

00:46:27   I'm not no no being coy no beating [TS]

00:46:30   around the bush this is it and thank god [TS]

00:46:31   that's not public [TS]

00:46:33   hey I don't like I'm what am I gonna do [TS]

00:46:35   be like all shy and mirrors like well [TS]

00:46:37   probably shouldn't give it to me i'm not [TS]

00:46:39   that well-known like no I think I should [TS]

00:46:41   have it like I maybe I should have taken [TS]

00:46:42   a couple sentences to say I mean I can't [TS]

00:46:45   even be honest and say you should not be [TS]

00:46:46   giving this to me before you give it to [TS]

00:46:48   every single person has ever been [TS]

00:46:49   targeted by gamergate like its it but if [TS]

00:46:52   you start yelling at them telling what [TS]

00:46:53   they should do also not a good way to [TS]

00:46:55   get a check mark so anyway they're just [TS]

00:46:57   not responding to my request anyway so [TS]

00:47:00   it's been what three days now [TS]

00:47:01   whatever so and analogue on the episode [TS]

00:47:05   of analog that will be out by the time [TS]

00:47:06   this episode is out [TS]

00:47:08   John John your john mike and i discussed [TS]

00:47:11   what we had written and it was funny [TS]

00:47:13   because we took two different approaches [TS]

00:47:14   lon what we wrote to justify our [TS]

00:47:16   coolness and i agree with you was it i [TS]

00:47:20   am not a fan of writing that sort of [TS]

00:47:22   thing about look at me I'm just so [TS]

00:47:23   important and let me tell you all the [TS]

00:47:25   reasons why but what I ended up doing a [TS]

00:47:28   spaceman name-dropping people that I [TS]

00:47:30   knew and interact with that are also [TS]

00:47:32   verified so like that's not a power [TS]

00:47:36   moved my brother love that Barack Obama [TS]

00:47:38   one sort of Nomar Armand think so no I [TS]

00:47:42   mean I'm serious that's what that was [TS]

00:47:44   the approach i took was you know hey I [TS]

00:47:45   share a podcast with verified user mark [TS]

00:47:47   harmon and Jones are yousa hey [TS]

00:47:50   well the fact is verified that might [TS]

00:47:52   have that actually actually strengthens [TS]

00:47:53   it would write that's my point no no [TS]

00:47:55   that was exactly my point you and I [TS]

00:47:57   talked about how much on relay which [TS]

00:47:58   also has jason l verified in cgpgrey [TS]

00:48:01   verified and and my podcasts are you [TS]

00:48:03   know by many thousands of people each [TS]

00:48:05   week and leg approach I mean obviously [TS]

00:48:06   worked but then again like with this [TS]

00:48:09   black box we have no idea i worked it [TS]

00:48:11   could have been because what who the [TS]

00:48:13   person who was inside to check your box [TS]

00:48:14   with adp boom Casey less done [TS]

00:48:17   yeah and my took a different approach [TS]

00:48:19   she what did he see did I forgotten now [TS]

00:48:21   but whatever was I spell my name of the [TS]

00:48:22   y which is much cooler than I don't know [TS]

00:48:25   what it was that's what it was was he [TS]

00:48:27   had said he thought to himself what why [TS]

00:48:29   would they have explained [TS]

00:48:30   made this available to everyone it must [TS]

00:48:33   be because there they want people to [TS]

00:48:37   verify their you know their identity and [TS]

00:48:39   so Mike was all oh you know I'm really [TS]

00:48:41   concerned that people that listen to me [TS]

00:48:43   might not be able to find the real me [TS]

00:48:45   you know and in playing the whole like [TS]

00:48:47   parody card and and I'm very poorly [TS]

00:48:50   paraphrasing what he said Golden Girls [TS]

00:48:51   on that up so the analog but we took two [TS]

00:48:54   different approaches and well I gotta [TS]

00:48:56   tell you my bling looks great how to [TS]

00:48:57   save yourself Marco but he got his 2 i'm [TS]

00:48:59   I got it makes perfect to write [TS]

00:49:01   yep I'm like totally deserves want to [TS]

00:49:03   like you mean it's no question but like [TS]

00:49:04   that that's an interesting approach i [TS]

00:49:05   mean like i said i have had actual [TS]

00:49:07   impersonators we're using my avatar and [TS]

00:49:09   using variations on my name with [TS]

00:49:11   different unicode glyphs and stuff to [TS]

00:49:12   make a thing like that had happened to [TS]

00:49:13   me not a lot but it has happened he [TS]

00:49:15   ended up going with that approach and it [TS]

00:49:18   working good was it did have real [TS]

00:49:19   examples it was just speculative and I'm [TS]

00:49:21   afraid I to go on there i don't recall I [TS]

00:49:24   feel like he was speculative but I'm not [TS]

00:49:26   a hundred percent sure about that anyway [TS]

00:49:28   you have no idea how annoying i'm going [TS]

00:49:30   to be when i get rejected [TS]

00:49:31   yeah okay because I'm where do I go from [TS]

00:49:33   there do I just reapply every six months [TS]

00:49:36   forever throughout one month [TS]

00:49:38   yes one month every month I can't I did [TS]

00:49:41   save the paragraph of text there on the [TS]

00:49:43   box just so I don't have to think it up [TS]

00:49:45   against I'll just paste in every month [TS]

00:49:46   but like what is considered as a certain [TS]

00:49:48   point I'm just gonna stop I'm not gonna [TS]

00:49:49   be able to like to muster the just what [TS]

00:49:55   is the quote from Jerry Maguire and not [TS]

00:49:57   apply in the world am I asking you guys [TS]

00:49:59   check your entire quote gonna look it up [TS]

00:50:03   now have you eaten are you seen that [TS]

00:50:05   movie [TS]

00:50:05   yes but forever ago yeah i actually did [TS]

00:50:07   see it but I saw it like when it was new [TS]

00:50:09   which was a very long time ago [TS]

00:50:11   all i know is i love looking at my bling [TS]

00:50:13   everytime it flies by after I tweet [TS]

00:50:15   mmm looks good for awhile i i i i [TS]

00:50:17   actually had trouble recognizing myself [TS]

00:50:19   on Twitter like if I'd like double click [TS]

00:50:21   to tweet to like get the the [TS]

00:50:23   conversation history and like mine would [TS]

00:50:24   be at the roots i wanted to see like [TS]

00:50:25   which of my tweets is in response to em [TS]

00:50:28   I for like the first few days I'll it [TS]

00:50:30   didn't register visually as me at that [TS]

00:50:32   like when I see the avatar with [TS]

00:50:34   checkmark onyx like that's not how I [TS]

00:50:35   look on Twitter all right here you go [TS]

00:50:37   this is the scene that you guys don't [TS]

00:50:39   remember but you should be cut all this [TS]

00:50:40   what is this for quotable things are you [TS]

00:50:43   cutting my Jerry Maguire quota go I'm [TS]

00:50:45   gonna cut like half this topic it's so [TS]

00:50:47   well you but we don't have much in the [TS]

00:50:50   other end of it so when you get it you [TS]

00:50:51   know when you're here [TS]

00:50:53   this is ben jerry's talking to we're [TS]

00:50:55   computing during your was playing like [TS]

00:50:56   the athletes that he represents the [TS]

00:50:58   sports asian timeout here for you [TS]

00:51:00   you don't know what it's like to be me [TS]

00:51:01   out here for you it's an up at dawn [TS]

00:51:03   pride swallowing siege that I will never [TS]

00:51:05   fail you tell you about now I blew it i [TS]

00:51:07   was so close so close anyway up at dawn [TS]

00:51:11   pride swallowing siege is my think of as [TS]

00:51:14   a good description of reapplying to get [TS]

00:51:17   forever and every month because that is [TS]

00:51:20   a hell of a pride swallowing siege [TS]

00:51:23   oh wow John I I genuinely feel bad for [TS]

00:51:26   you and I really want you to get there [TS]

00:51:28   you shouldn't you no one should feel bad [TS]

00:51:30   for me for the love of God no one please [TS]

00:51:32   don't feel bad for the most pathetic [TS]

00:51:33   thing in the entire did not actually [TS]

00:51:35   important know we should know better [TS]

00:51:37   than me you should you should pity me [TS]

00:51:38   that I care about this at all [TS]

00:51:40   well I do that too but don't cry for [TS]

00:51:42   John argentina exactly do you think you [TS]

00:51:44   know something from Bob culture are you [TS]

00:51:46   quoting like the Madonna remake no I saw [TS]

00:51:48   that uh wait which one we came out like [TS]

00:51:50   the nineties with on investment with [TS]

00:51:52   Donald okay that's what I saw [TS]

00:51:53   yes what are its fine at least that's [TS]

00:51:55   all one of them i mean come on [TS]

00:51:57   yeah well anyway I'm well I hope you get [TS]

00:52:00   your check mark in no small part because [TS]

00:52:02   it will make getting the ATF em check [TS]

00:52:04   mark that much easier because we can say [TS]

00:52:05   hey all three about it and it probably [TS]

00:52:07   won't because apparently the process is [TS]

00:52:08   random and the teacher doesn't everyone [TS]

00:52:10   is anyone talking about gamergate I mean [TS]

00:52:13   this is part of the problem with any of [TS]

00:52:14   these like human review it you know it's [TS]

00:52:16   like the app store where like even if [TS]

00:52:19   you set rules in place and even if the [TS]

00:52:21   rules don't change which I think for [TS]

00:52:23   Twitter's verification process those are [TS]

00:52:25   two big requirements that probably have [TS]

00:52:27   never been met before but assuming you [TS]

00:52:29   have no codified rules that don't change [TS]

00:52:32   much over time you still have a team of [TS]

00:52:35   humans and forcing them and like you [TS]

00:52:37   know when when the teachers went through [TS]

00:52:38   it could it was right after this big [TS]

00:52:41   rush started it could have been a bunch [TS]

00:52:42   of people who saw this giant pile behind [TS]

00:52:44   them and it was right before lunch and [TS]

00:52:46   they were tired and they were grumpy and [TS]

00:52:48   they just start saying no no don't like [TS]

00:52:50   it could be so many things once you have [TS]

00:52:52   like humans trying to review a whole [TS]

00:52:55   bunch of stuff [TS]

00:52:56   subjectively and it's it's just these [TS]

00:52:59   kind of roof systems will never be [TS]

00:53:01   consistently enforced as long as there [TS]

00:53:03   is that subjective component to it [TS]

00:53:04   that's why this [TS]

00:53:05   that's why they should remove that and [TS]

00:53:07   it should just be like do you fit the [TS]

00:53:08   basic qualifications you know can you [TS]

00:53:10   prove your identity with like you know [TS]

00:53:11   government-issued ID that we trust and [TS]

00:53:14   can you know maybe pay a few bucks for [TS]

00:53:16   our time since you since you know we're [TS]

00:53:17   going to the wrong people [TS]

00:53:19   that's it like that should be all it is [TS]

00:53:21   and as soon as you put in judgment calls [TS]

00:53:24   of well ru important enough it's never [TS]

00:53:27   going to be consistently enforced we're [TS]

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00:54:42   so Marco we're doing pretty well we're [TS]

00:54:44   about an hour in and we still have one [TS]

00:54:47   more topic left and I think we might be [TS]

00:54:49   able to dodge stupid tivo for one more [TS]

00:54:51   week so we got to stretch this one a lot [TS]

00:54:53   i will see we can do so tell me [TS]

00:54:55   everything that I could ever possibly [TS]

00:54:57   want to know about serial number [TS]

00:54:59   tracking and forecast [TS]

00:55:01   ok now that you've ruined both product [TS]

00:55:03   names of the things i was gonna make it [TS]

00:55:07   was that not what it was like in the [TS]

00:55:08   show notes United was called that right [TS]

00:55:10   and the other was in the name of the [TS]

00:55:12   site realignment yeah you he didn't say [TS]

00:55:14   that you did you know anybody in the [TS]

00:55:16   show notes and i missed it [TS]

00:55:18   it's fine doesn't matter oh crap I'm [TS]

00:55:20   sorry so wherever have you not announced [TS]

00:55:22   forecast [TS]

00:55:23   I think I'd convention here and there is [TS]

00:55:25   also it's in the id3 tags of every mp3 [TS]

00:55:27   I've made in the last two months so it's [TS]

00:55:30   it's just sitting right there [TS]

00:55:32   people have asked me on twitter like hey [TS]

00:55:33   what's this forecast thing so yeah [TS]

00:55:35   thinking about to turn do you want to [TS]

00:55:39   record that we can rerecord no it's mine [TS]

00:55:40   now you have to explain the goofy [TS]

00:55:42   origins of the name and in typical Marco [TS]

00:55:45   naming that I am excellent naming things [TS]

00:55:48   I don't know what you're talking about [TS]

00:55:49   actually this is perfect because this [TS]

00:55:51   will delight even more so please tell me [TS]

00:55:53   the name about this thing that I just [TS]

00:55:54   spilled the beans on sure so forecast is [TS]

00:55:57   my podcast post-production app for the [TS]

00:56:01   mac it basically is an mp3 encoder as [TS]

00:56:04   well as a chapter and metadata editor so [TS]

00:56:07   it allows you to input any audio file [TS]

00:56:11   wav aiff you know other mp3's whatever [TS]

00:56:14   else and just edit the metadata on that [TS]

00:56:17   encoded mp3 is mp3 already uses my [TS]

00:56:20   parallel version of the lame mp3 encoder [TS]

00:56:22   like I discussed a few episodes back i [TS]

00:56:25   did succeed in making that it does work [TS]

00:56:27   the last episode of the show have been [TS]

00:56:28   encoded with it and nobody noticed so [TS]

00:56:30   that's good and also can do things like [TS]

00:56:32   eight chapters and you might have [TS]

00:56:33   noticed a recent shows that not only [TS]

00:56:35   have i been using chapters more in the [TS]

00:56:37   encode here but also that we've recently [TS]

00:56:40   gotten here and there have been throwing [TS]

00:56:43   in some chapter images where you have a [TS]

00:56:46   special special image for showing up at [TS]

00:56:48   certain times in certain shows that's [TS]

00:56:50   not really relevant and this is all [TS]

00:56:52   being done by this app forecast [TS]

00:56:54   and the reason i need the forecast is [TS]

00:56:55   because it's what comes before overcast [TS]

00:56:58   come on I mean I know you got the three [TS]

00:57:00   things so it's the connection to the [TS]

00:57:01   weather so over yes and forecasts you [TS]

00:57:03   forget the weather [TS]

00:57:04   yeah but you've also an was the one you [TS]

00:57:06   just said you got the you can do it [TS]

00:57:07   before it appears and overcast [TS]

00:57:09   uh-huh and also this application takes [TS]

00:57:12   files and prepares them for overcast [TS]

00:57:15   haha yep and overcast ends in cast which [TS]

00:57:20   is because it's about podcast so it's [TS]

00:57:21   all these different that you know all [TS]

00:57:23   these references in his name forecasts [TS]

00:57:25   oh and also you're the famous creator of [TS]

00:57:27   the podcast application instant cast as [TS]

00:57:29   far as i know that right [TS]

00:57:31   I yeah that's I you know if people for a [TS]

00:57:38   while I thought I kind of own like the [TS]

00:57:39   instant prefix instapaper mhm and then [TS]

00:57:42   Instagram came out and the game is over [TS]

00:57:44   because now like everybody just thinks [TS]

00:57:46   anything instead people people think [TS]

00:57:48   Instagram so even if i tried to you know [TS]

00:57:51   an instant cast was a different punch a [TS]

00:57:53   step by a different person but even if [TS]

00:57:56   they never existed even if i tried to [TS]

00:57:57   launch a new podcast app called instant [TS]

00:57:59   cast people think i was ripping off [TS]

00:58:02   instagrams name not not playing off my [TS]

00:58:04   own name of my own products from from [TS]

00:58:06   you know ten years ago but so anyway so [TS]

00:58:11   my app is called forecast and its a Mac [TS]

00:58:13   App although as far as far as I know [TS]

00:58:15   there's nothing really about it that [TS]

00:58:16   would make it that would preclude an iOS [TS]

00:58:18   version the future I really thought that [TS]

00:58:20   that was warranted but that there's not [TS]

00:58:22   a whole lot of pockets Russian happen is [TS]

00:58:24   these days so that the demand is mostly [TS]

00:58:26   on the computer side and probably most [TS]

00:58:28   of the max i had to guess between mac [TS]

00:58:30   and pc so that's what I'm doing a it's [TS]

00:58:34   you know it's it's a small projects not [TS]

00:58:36   like a massive thing I've been working [TS]

00:58:38   on it for a few weeks it's at it's in [TS]

00:58:40   beta now a very small private beta and I [TS]

00:58:43   haven't really decided how to how and [TS]

00:58:46   when to release it and charge for it and [TS]

00:58:49   talk a little bit about this [TS]

00:58:50   under-the-radar two weeks ago so willing [TS]

00:58:52   to that just basically considerations of [TS]

00:58:55   like whether whether you should even [TS]

00:58:57   charge money for something like this or [TS]

00:58:59   whether it's not even worth the hassle [TS]

00:59:01   of [TS]

00:59:01   charging money because the charging [TS]

00:59:03   money brings a certain degree of [TS]

00:59:05   overhead and and of support burden and [TS]

00:59:08   things about and and it's only gonna [TS]

00:59:10   make a small amount of money overall [TS]

00:59:12   because of you know small volume of [TS]

00:59:13   sales its kind of questionable like you [TS]

00:59:16   know whether it's even worth doing you [TS]

00:59:17   know like you know the the entire run of [TS]

00:59:20   buckshot III blog you know when I when I [TS]

00:59:24   was charging for it and I still own [TS]

00:59:25   buckshot the entire run of it made [TS]

00:59:28   something like three thousand dollars [TS]

00:59:29   and $3,000 a lot of money to a lot of [TS]

00:59:31   people and it was for me at the time as [TS]

00:59:33   well [TS]

00:59:33   however it also took a pretty big [TS]

00:59:36   portion of my summer to do that and [TS]

00:59:38   there's an opportunity cost they're like [TS]

00:59:40   I probably should have been working on [TS]

00:59:41   overcast at the time and instead i made [TS]

00:59:44   bug shot and you know to only to have [TS]

00:59:47   made a relatively small amount of money [TS]

00:59:48   over like a year worth of sales it [TS]

00:59:52   probably wasn't worth it in retrospect [TS]

00:59:54   and that's that's why I eventually [TS]

00:59:56   decided to just make it free and just [TS]

00:59:58   you know learn from it [TS]

00:59:59   whatever I could [TS]

00:59:59   whatever I could [TS]

01:00:00   learn from having a free apple store so [TS]

01:00:02   with with forecasts I'm kind of faced [TS]

01:00:04   with a similar conclusion or a similar [TS]

01:00:07   dilemma here of DUI charge for nye talk [TS]

01:00:10   actually a little bit about this last [TS]

01:00:12   week when we talked about sidetrack my [TS]

01:00:14   alignment utility that also exists [TS]

01:00:16   although forecasters is way more in a [TS]

01:00:18   releasable state because it's just a [TS]

01:00:19   simple problem but anyway I don't really [TS]

01:00:23   know where they're going to charge for [TS]

01:00:24   not if i'm going to charge for it would [TS]

01:00:27   probably be like 50 bucks because [TS]

01:00:29   anything less than that i want to be [TS]

01:00:31   worth it but the problem is like how [TS]

01:00:33   many people are going to pay for a [TS]

01:00:36   podcast chapter utility now there is a [TS]

01:00:39   podcast chapter utility already the mac [TS]

01:00:41   app store today I believe it's called [TS]

01:00:43   podcast chapters [TS]

01:00:44   its twenty bucks and as far as i can [TS]

01:00:46   tell it doesn't look at selling in in [TS]

01:00:48   meaningful volume which is too bad [TS]

01:00:50   because i think this is a market that [TS]

01:00:52   that should be a strong market with me [TS]

01:00:55   going in there saying I want to be able [TS]

01:00:56   to charge 50 bucks for this it's not [TS]

01:00:59   very promising there's already one for [TS]

01:01:00   twenty that appears not to be selling [TS]

01:01:02   very well so I think you gotta figure [TS]

01:01:04   like yeah you know I could push it i can [TS]

01:01:06   use my brand of my blue checkmark to [TS]

01:01:08   really sell this thing and like but how [TS]

01:01:10   many copies am I really going to say how [TS]

01:01:12   many people are really making chapter [TS]

01:01:14   eyes podcast and willing to pay fifty [TS]

01:01:16   bucks for my version of solving this [TS]

01:01:18   problem that number is probably [TS]

01:01:20   something like a hundred people at most [TS]

01:01:23   it in the most optimistic projection a [TS]

01:01:25   hundred people probably more like 20 to [TS]

01:01:29   30 people if I'm really being honestly [TS]

01:01:31   it's probably a very small number of [TS]

01:01:33   people who actually buy this thing so [TS]

01:01:36   because it's so small I i want i'm [TS]

01:01:39   leaning mostly towards not even charging [TS]

01:01:42   money for it because it just seems like [TS]

01:01:44   the overhead of charging money would not [TS]

01:01:48   really be be worth setting all that up [TS]

01:01:51   that being said you know I also have an [TS]

01:01:53   app called quitter which we probably [TS]

01:01:55   plugged poorly last episode my life and [TS]

01:01:59   I have a quitter and it would kind of be [TS]

01:02:01   interesting learning experience to [TS]

01:02:03   figure out how to charge money for mac [TS]

01:02:04   apps to set up the infrastructure to [TS]

01:02:06   charge money for mac apps [TS]

01:02:07   this is a lot of the outside the app [TS]

01:02:08   store because that the mac app store [TS]

01:02:11   does not really [TS]

01:02:12   offer anything it doesn't offer enough [TS]

01:02:14   to make it worth the thirty percent [TS]

01:02:16   anymore if it ever did anyway so big [TS]

01:02:20   question is do I release this thing and [TS]

01:02:22   then do i charge for it and then if i [TS]

01:02:24   charge for how do i charge for it and [TS]

01:02:26   then the the following topics which is [TS]

01:02:29   how do i do license management and [TS]

01:02:31   piracy prevention or rather piracy [TS]

01:02:34   reduction I guess it's a little more [TS]

01:02:37   realistic Iran know these things work [TS]

01:02:39   so what do you think which they do here [TS]

01:02:41   if you weren't going to charge for it [TS]

01:02:43   which you're slowly convincing me out [TS]

01:02:45   before I was like you should just charge [TS]

01:02:46   a huge amount of money four kiss five [TS]

01:02:47   people are gonna buy it and [TS]

01:02:49   unfortunately you're gonna get free [TS]

01:02:50   copies that's why people so really [TS]

01:02:52   you're gonna sell 0 right but now you [TS]

01:02:53   talk about it more like well it's going [TS]

01:02:55   to be free [TS]

01:02:56   I started to think like not only should [TS]

01:02:58   it be free it should be open source [TS]

01:03:00   because when some annoying corner case [TS]

01:03:02   of the spec comes out there is enough [TS]

01:03:04   nerdy people that they'll just you know [TS]

01:03:05   send you a pull request and like like [TS]

01:03:08   why why not get the benefits of it being [TS]

01:03:10   for you're not going to get the many of [TS]

01:03:12   the benefits of of making any money if [TS]

01:03:13   you're going to make it free [TS]

01:03:14   why not go all the other direction so [TS]

01:03:16   not only is this free this is open [TS]

01:03:18   source and then also like if you get [TS]

01:03:20   tired of maintaining it some other [TS]

01:03:22   person who's more enthusiastic about [TS]

01:03:24   maintaining it could take it over [TS]

01:03:25   because you just want this tool to exist [TS]

01:03:27   which is why you're making it like [TS]

01:03:28   you're scratching your own niche here [TS]

01:03:29   sure that this is your grand plan for [TS]

01:03:31   world domination right i think you would [TS]

01:03:33   be fine if someone took it over and kept [TS]

01:03:36   up with all these you know whenever you [TS]

01:03:37   get over for like oh I tried to use your [TS]

01:03:39   tool and didn't work on this particular [TS]

01:03:40   weird thing and coat over this like you [TS]

01:03:42   want to deal with that crap so I would [TS]

01:03:45   say free and open source is a good [TS]

01:03:48   option or closed source and charge your [TS]

01:03:51   amount of money as a deterrent like to [TS]

01:03:56   keep away the looky-loos yeah and then [TS]

01:03:59   see how it works out it and and if you [TS]

01:04:01   really do want to figure out like how [TS]

01:04:03   how can people send me money for a mac [TS]

01:04:05   application like maybe as people saying [TS]

01:04:08   in the in the chat room maybe make it [TS]

01:04:10   like a tip jar type of thing where it's [TS]

01:04:12   not even like patronage is not even like [TS]

01:04:14   you're promising that anyone that you're [TS]

01:04:16   even gonna like put that money into [TS]

01:04:18   further developing this application is [TS]

01:04:19   just like look this free if you like it [TS]

01:04:22   and you want to say thank you put a [TS]

01:04:24   dollar in this jar you [TS]

01:04:26   nothing for this dollar like it doesn't [TS]

01:04:28   even guarantee that I'm ever gonna make [TS]

01:04:29   another version of the application but [TS]

01:04:30   if you just want to be a nice person do [TS]

01:04:32   that and I think that that you make as [TS]

01:04:35   much money as the one where you charge [TS]

01:04:37   five people 50 bucks [TS]

01:04:39   it might well okay so let me address [TS]

01:04:41   these two separate because these are too [TS]

01:04:42   too big topics i think so first up the [TS]

01:04:45   open-source question that's a very very [TS]

01:04:46   good question it's an interesting theory [TS]

01:04:48   of you know should be when I thought [TS]

01:04:51   about that for this and sidetrack what I [TS]

01:04:53   found the eight you know in just being a [TS]

01:04:56   person uses computers for a while and [TS]

01:04:58   and a little bit you know a little bit [TS]

01:04:59   of direct developer experience but [TS]

01:05:00   mostly just being a user of the stuff [TS]

01:05:02   what i found is that there tends to be [TS]

01:05:04   not that much value to entirely open [TS]

01:05:08   source applications especially for [TS]

01:05:11   fairly narrow uses like this there is [TS]

01:05:13   lots of value and open source components [TS]

01:05:15   and utility libraries and stuff like [TS]

01:05:17   that is lots of value there but the [TS]

01:05:19   value of open sourcing the entire app [TS]

01:05:22   here is is not incredibly great unless [TS]

01:05:25   there's going to be a lot of [TS]

01:05:27   contributors working on it and foremost [TS]

01:05:30   apps that simply doesn't happen from you [TS]

01:05:32   know most apps getting a lot of [TS]

01:05:34   contributors is like is like this this [TS]

01:05:35   fantasy that you have when you think [TS]

01:05:36   about open-sourcing it but then if you [TS]

01:05:38   actually do open source it almost nobody [TS]

01:05:40   contributes and you get a handful [TS]

01:05:41   request here and there and then they're [TS]

01:05:43   gonna just work then it's just like that [TS]

01:05:45   it's like going through resumes but [TS]

01:05:46   people probably work too and you have to [TS]

01:05:48   like you know yet the ones you want to [TS]

01:05:50   accept you i like you know make sure [TS]

01:05:51   they work you gotta test them with all [TS]

01:05:53   cases unit tests and all this crazy [TS]

01:05:55   stuff and then it and even the ones that [TS]

01:05:58   that that work that you want to add it [TS]

01:06:00   might've been the way that you would [TS]

01:06:02   want to do it or they could might be [TS]

01:06:04   messy and let go and it's open source [TS]

01:06:06   material like let go of the thing and [TS]

01:06:08   like and I think you don't want a whole [TS]

01:06:10   bunch of contribute something I think [TS]

01:06:11   you just want like two smart people [TS]

01:06:12   contributing to and that's it and all [TS]

01:06:14   does is like relieved that the [TS]

01:06:16   maintenance burden for you it with the [TS]

01:06:18   idea that eventually you'll be bored [TS]

01:06:19   with it and someone else will just take [TS]

01:06:20   it over and then you'll be sending them [TS]

01:06:22   five line for requests [TS]

01:06:24   yeah but I mean it i think in reality [TS]

01:06:26   again that that's a great theory in [TS]

01:06:28   reality doesn't happen very often and [TS]

01:06:30   also when you so when you open source [TS]

01:06:33   things you know especially for those [TS]

01:06:34   like you have the problem of like you're [TS]

01:06:37   generating work for yourself because [TS]

01:06:39   you're going [TS]

01:06:39   I have to deal with the the [TS]

01:06:41   contributions and and the reports from [TS]

01:06:43   people and everything that we do is you [TS]

01:06:45   don't have to deal with the [TS]

01:06:46   contributions to get you can just ignore [TS]

01:06:47   it eventually people will fork it and [TS]

01:06:49   like it that's the only thing your [TS]

01:06:50   journey was not i think i'm going that's [TS]

01:06:53   every open source thing I've ever done [TS]

01:06:54   it's been like look here it is [TS]

01:06:55   maybe if I feel like I look at your pull [TS]

01:06:57   request but if not like because if [TS]

01:06:59   people are annoyed you're not taking a [TS]

01:07:00   power crystal just workin and then like [TS]

01:07:01   they've taken out that's the only way [TS]

01:07:03   you get people to take it over if you [TS]

01:07:04   just neglected and then someone else [TS]

01:07:05   takes over not good [TS]

01:07:07   done like I guess I'm thinking of it as [TS]

01:07:10   totally like not feeling any social [TS]

01:07:14   responsibility because this is a very [TS]

01:07:16   obscure thing yes like it is not a mass [TS]

01:07:19   market thing it's super obscure and it's [TS]

01:07:22   just it's just kind of your way of [TS]

01:07:24   having like buying a lottery ticket for [TS]

01:07:27   removing a small amount of maintenance [TS]

01:07:28   for future but it really is totally [TS]

01:07:30   giving up ownership of it so forget [TS]

01:07:31   about like picking a cool name for it [TS]

01:07:33   and having any ownership or any state [TS]

01:07:35   northridge was like please open source [TS]

01:07:37   like it's the far extreme of the these [TS]

01:07:40   possibilities which you have never done [TS]

01:07:42   anything like this and the only reason [TS]

01:07:44   I'm suggesting in this case it's because [TS]

01:07:46   this seems like the only time I would [TS]

01:07:48   ever recommend it because it's so it's [TS]

01:07:50   so clearly not [TS]

01:07:51   not a thing that has any potential [TS]

01:07:54   upside that like that is significant [TS]

01:07:57   yeah i agree with John unless you're [TS]

01:07:59   going to spend a be charging an absurd [TS]

01:08:01   amount of money which i think in [TS]

01:08:02   principle you could because the kind of [TS]

01:08:05   people that would use this for probably [TS]

01:08:06   the kind of people that make a decent [TS]

01:08:08   amount of money at making these shows [TS]

01:08:11   mm that's not necessarily true that's [TS]

01:08:13   not necessarily true but it's certainly [TS]

01:08:14   possible but but regardless of that I i [TS]

01:08:17   think john has convinced me listening to [TS]

01:08:20   him that open sourcing is probably best [TS]

01:08:22   way to go because the key to open [TS]

01:08:24   sourcing it is is that you can point at [TS]

01:08:26   that you'll get hub repo and just say [TS]

01:08:28   you know drug it's up to you man I did [TS]

01:08:31   my part now it's up to you and and then [TS]

01:08:35   if somebody complains do that something [TS]

01:08:37   isn't working you can you are completely [TS]

01:08:39   absolved of any guilt because it is [TS]

01:08:41   within their power in principle to [TS]

01:08:44   attack that's a wonderful Theory it [TS]

01:08:46   doesn't work in practice w that's like [TS]

01:08:48   it you can just it's just a change in [TS]

01:08:50   attitude you just say like what [TS]

01:08:52   like that I I'm not offering you support [TS]

01:08:54   for this this is not a product you [TS]

01:08:55   didn't pay me any more like about me if [TS]

01:08:57   anyone actually complain be like you're [TS]

01:08:59   getting what you paid for our refund all [TS]

01:09:00   zero dollars of your mind like don't [TS]

01:09:02   even respond to the emails don't even [TS]

01:09:03   look at things like I'm good at that [TS]

01:09:05   tons of times or suffer as like that and [TS]

01:09:08   I don't think anyone can get mad about [TS]

01:09:09   it like pop here it is and you can [TS]

01:09:12   continue to edit your thing or like like [TS]

01:09:14   there's no obligation i feel like this [TS]

01:09:16   is you know this is a topic of some [TS]

01:09:18   countries in the open source world [TS]

01:09:19   people like once you have it open source [TS]

01:09:21   you have to like maintain it and do a [TS]

01:09:23   breast know you don't that my i'm [TS]

01:09:24   totally of the opinion if you just want [TS]

01:09:26   to plop a bunch of code down maybe like [TS]

01:09:28   period and never never communicate with [TS]

01:09:30   anyone in the entire world about it ever [TS]

01:09:31   again [TS]

01:09:32   just put it under license is like you [TS]

01:09:34   wanted here you go for kit do whatever [TS]

01:09:36   the hell you want you and your friends [TS]

01:09:37   do whatever you want if you don't have [TS]

01:09:39   the ability to change it [TS]

01:09:40   oh well you're sucks to be you like but [TS]

01:09:42   whatever i'm a programmer i wrote this [TS]

01:09:44   for my own purposes and as a nice aside [TS]

01:09:46   check it out there so other people can [TS]

01:09:49   mess with that they want if i'm in the [TS]

01:09:50   mood and someone sends me focus maybe on [TS]

01:09:52   corporate but no promises maybe I'll [TS]

01:09:54   never look at it again which I [TS]

01:09:56   understand like that doesn't feel good [TS]

01:09:57   to a lot of people it doesn't but like [TS]

01:09:59   to me that feels like one of the [TS]

01:10:01   beautiful things about open source like [TS]

01:10:04   the the you that it's kind of like [TS]

01:10:06   rather than sort of keeping it to [TS]

01:10:09   yourself like say you would we take the [TS]

01:10:11   the selling to people off the table [TS]

01:10:13   which I don't think it should be off [TS]

01:10:14   table anyway say they the alternatives [TS]

01:10:16   like I wrote this out for myself and I [TS]

01:10:17   use it myself and this is the [TS]

01:10:19   alternative like don't don't hi it's [TS]

01:10:21   like a taking all your belongings with [TS]

01:10:23   you when you die or I like you you know [TS]

01:10:25   as soon as I died burn every one of the [TS]

01:10:26   van Gogh paintings i own because I don't [TS]

01:10:28   want anyone else to ever have them it's [TS]

01:10:30   like I made this thing for myself but [TS]

01:10:32   also i want to share with the world so [TS]

01:10:34   if you want it here it is it is what it [TS]

01:10:37   is [TS]

01:10:39   go nuts with it and then having it [TS]

01:10:42   doesn't affect you because the software [TS]

01:10:43   like you can both have it at the same [TS]

01:10:45   time and you can both do whatever you [TS]

01:10:48   want with it develop it not develop it [TS]

01:10:50   whatever and the final thing is like it [TS]

01:10:53   has all the benefits of being free [TS]

01:10:55   because like if we look at the iTunes [TS]

01:10:57   podcast directory there are a huge [TS]

01:10:59   number of podcasts if you made a free to [TS]

01:11:02   like this word would get around among [TS]

01:11:04   the tongue [TS]

01:11:05   in terms of sort of like you know like [TS]

01:11:08   that whatever the bell curve looks like [TS]

01:11:09   for podcast in terms of traffic numbers [TS]

01:11:10   the longtail podcasts that are out there [TS]

01:11:12   are a lot of podcast and i bet a few of [TS]

01:11:16   them if they need to look at this and [TS]

01:11:18   workout lycopene atul does this the [TS]

01:11:20   easiest one is this free mac app click [TS]

01:11:22   on this thing download the thing and use [TS]

01:11:24   it [TS]

01:11:25   whatever your help like you're helping a [TS]

01:11:27   lot of people do their part of gas [TS]

01:11:28   production and if those people come [TS]

01:11:31   looking for like I found a bug in this [TS]

01:11:32   program or whatever you don't respond to [TS]

01:11:34   them either because they got a free [TS]

01:11:35   application off like a github page like [TS]

01:11:37   maybe they won't even be downloading it [TS]

01:11:39   from your page they'd be downloaded from [TS]

01:11:40   the seventh or eighth person who worked [TS]

01:11:42   at who knows [TS]

01:11:43   ok and those are all reasonable concerns [TS]

01:11:46   and reasonable points but I don't think [TS]

01:11:48   I'm ready to give up that kind of [TS]

01:11:49   control [TS]

01:11:50   I know I know I I totally know through [TS]

01:11:52   your personality you don't want to do [TS]

01:11:54   this right and by open source yet you [TS]

01:11:56   you closing of doors for yourself in the [TS]

01:11:59   future like I mean yes you open some [TS]

01:12:00   thank you with richard stallman but you [TS]

01:12:02   know you close the door for yourself of [TS]

01:12:04   like what if i wanted to start charging [TS]

01:12:06   for it in in like the next version or or [TS]

01:12:08   even even just take this versions are [TS]

01:12:10   hurting for like they're there are a lot [TS]

01:12:12   of opportunities that you basically [TS]

01:12:13   closed off by doing that also open [TS]

01:12:17   source has a number of problems in in [TS]

01:12:19   today's world and I don't know this was [TS]

01:12:21   always the case but it certainly seems [TS]

01:12:23   like today this is this is a big problem [TS]

01:12:24   where any kind of open source app now in [TS]

01:12:29   the world of app stores will have lots [TS]

01:12:32   of opportunistic vultures and scammers [TS]

01:12:34   basically just taking it changing the [TS]

01:12:37   name maybe if you're lucky and put it on [TS]

01:12:39   the app store for money and try to make [TS]

01:12:41   money off of it [TS]

01:12:41   if this happens so to all sorts of open [TS]

01:12:44   source applications now it happens a lot [TS]

01:12:46   app review would never allow that [TS]

01:12:48   yeah alright thats that's hilarious but [TS]

01:12:51   a little icon of mario on it and exactly [TS]

01:12:54   you can call it minecraft to point out [TS]

01:12:56   and i'm sure that will go right through [TS]

01:12:58   our view exactly and so it basically [TS]

01:13:00   like it there's a lot of problems with [TS]

01:13:03   like entire open source applications [TS]

01:13:05   that's one of them and so yeah i mean i [TS]

01:13:09   don't think i'll open source it you know [TS]

01:13:10   if I if I ever decided that I was like [TS]

01:13:12   done working on it and I would that it [TS]

01:13:14   was going to be unmaintained you know [TS]

01:13:16   maybe they're not open source of that [TS]

01:13:17   would be kind of the class [TS]

01:13:18   he moved to do if there were no obvious [TS]

01:13:19   problems by doing that but you know [TS]

01:13:22   that's it i would I think I keep a close [TS]

01:13:25   source until I figure out what to do [TS]

01:13:26   with it [TS]

01:13:28   that being said you know again like do I [TS]

01:13:31   really charged for it or not I don't [TS]

01:13:34   know I mean ultimately the world is [TS]

01:13:37   better off if it's free but I have a [TS]

01:13:39   hard time justifying working on it if [TS]

01:13:40   it's free so i have to kind of balance [TS]

01:13:43   that like you know is it really like [TS]

01:13:45   because it every day has been working on [TS]

01:13:48   this [TS]

01:13:48   I'm not improving overcast and i still [TS]

01:13:51   need to do that too and you know I need [TS]

01:13:53   to like this needs to be a project i [TS]

01:13:56   only work on in short bursts so that i [TS]

01:13:57   can get back to work on overcast which [TS]

01:13:59   is still providing the bulk of my [TS]

01:14:01   software income so you know it's I don't [TS]

01:14:04   know it's a tough balance i would love [TS]

01:14:07   to be in a position where I could start [TS]

01:14:08   making real money from podcasting tools [TS]

01:14:11   and have that start being an important [TS]

01:14:13   part of our business like it spent more [TS]

01:14:14   time working on it but I think as as [TS]

01:14:17   many people have have family try to this [TS]

01:14:19   business it's just very hard to make [TS]

01:14:21   money off of partisan tools because even [TS]

01:14:23   though podcasting is is really doing [TS]

01:14:24   very well right now the number of [TS]

01:14:26   podcast producers are still fairly small [TS]

01:14:29   relative to things like blogging and so [TS]

01:14:30   and stuff like that it's still pretty [TS]

01:14:33   small number prison podcasts and of the [TS]

01:14:36   ones who produce podcast there are so [TS]

01:14:37   many different ways to produce them so [TS]

01:14:39   many different tool people prefer to use [TS]

01:14:41   or can afford to use or need to use in [TS]

01:14:43   various conditions that they're working [TS]

01:14:45   in that even if you make a tool the the [TS]

01:14:49   percentage of the market that will [TS]

01:14:51   actually choose to use that tool [TS]

01:14:54   especially if it's if it's charge charge [TS]

01:14:56   money for it like it you're talking [TS]

01:14:58   about very small numbers of people and [TS]

01:15:01   if you mean if you raise the price high [TS]

01:15:03   enough to make it worth your time to [TS]

01:15:05   develop it [TS]

01:15:06   those people will be able to afford it [TS]

01:15:07   anymore so it's it's just really it's a [TS]

01:15:10   very hard market to really make money in [TS]

01:15:12   directly through direct sales now of [TS]

01:15:15   course there are other strategies I [TS]

01:15:17   could use here i could give away a whole [TS]

01:15:19   bunch of great production tools for free [TS]

01:15:21   that are all optimized for how overcast [TS]

01:15:23   works and so this will be in a position [TS]

01:15:25   to do things like you know add new [TS]

01:15:27   metadata formats that it wasn't that [TS]

01:15:29   overcast could debut being the first apt [TS]

01:15:31   to read them [TS]

01:15:32   and that would also pissed off a lot of [TS]

01:15:33   people but you know that's that's an [TS]

01:15:34   option i could do I could just have this [TS]

01:15:37   thing be a be something that you know [TS]

01:15:40   pushes the mp3 chapter 4i because i love [TS]

01:15:43   mp3 chapters i hate m4a chapters that's [TS]

01:15:46   a terrible format and this would help [TS]

01:15:48   push it towards mp3 which overcast feels [TS]

01:15:50   better with which everybody better with [TS]

01:15:52   it's a much easier format [TS]

01:15:53   it'sit's actually documented that's a [TS]

01:15:55   big one right there [TS]

01:15:56   thanks Apple front never documented the [TS]

01:15:58   original and for a sec and enhanced [TS]

01:16:01   format anyway lots of options i have [TS]

01:16:04   here I don't think this is for all the [TS]

01:16:05   listeners so i guess i guess i can move [TS]

01:16:07   on from that portion of you know whether [TS]

01:16:09   releasing whether i charge for it and [TS]

01:16:11   then we can move on to discussing piracy [TS]

01:16:13   fun but first response to this week by [TS]

01:16:17   Harry's go to Harry's calm / ATP to get [TS]

01:16:21   five dollars off your first purchase you [TS]

01:16:23   know her razor companies keep putting [TS]

01:16:24   out new models and reason they're [TS]

01:16:26   already high prices [TS]

01:16:27   well our friends over at Harry's don't [TS]

01:16:29   believe it up charging they just made a [TS]

01:16:31   bunch of improvements to their razors [TS]

01:16:33   and blades and they're keeping prices [TS]

01:16:34   exactly the same so it's still just two [TS]

01:16:37   dollars per blade cartridge compared to [TS]

01:16:39   before more dollars you will pay at the [TS]

01:16:41   drugstore for the big brands Harry's [TS]

01:16:43   five blade razor cartridges now include [TS]

01:16:45   a softer flex hinge for more comfortable [TS]

01:16:47   glide a trimmer blade for hard-to-reach [TS]

01:16:49   places a lubricating strip and a [TS]

01:16:51   textured handle for more control when [TS]

01:16:53   it's wet hair is founded by two friends [TS]

01:16:55   to offer people a great shave at a fair [TS]

01:16:58   price this is for both men and women by [TS]

01:17:00   own the factory in Germany where they [TS]

01:17:01   make the blades Harry's can produce [TS]

01:17:03   high-quality razors themselves and some [TS]

01:17:05   online for half the price of your [TS]

01:17:06   programs really half the price two bucks [TS]

01:17:08   per blade cartridge for heritage blades [TS]

01:17:10   or less if you buy in bulk qualities a [TS]

01:17:12   hundred percent guaranteed always if you [TS]

01:17:14   don't love your shave Harry's will fully [TS]

01:17:16   refund your money to get the starter set [TS]

01:17:18   to the stars that is an amazing deal you [TS]

01:17:20   get a weighted razor handle of your [TS]

01:17:21   choice moisturizing shave cream three [TS]

01:17:24   precision-engineered five blade [TS]

01:17:25   cartridges and a travel cover all for [TS]

01:17:28   just 15 bucks and for a limited time [TS]

01:17:30   only there's a special offer fans of the [TS]

01:17:32   show you can get it for even less [TS]

01:17:33   because you go to Harry's calm / ATP and [TS]

01:17:36   you get five dollars off your first [TS]

01:17:38   purchase just ten bucks for starter set [TS]

01:17:40   an amazing deal go to Harry's complex [TS]

01:17:42   ATP right now to clean your offer [TS]

01:17:44   that's Harry's calm / [TS]

01:17:45   ATP thanks a lot [TS]

01:17:50   so based on your what we know about you [TS]

01:17:52   and how you don't want to do is open [TS]

01:17:54   source and you want to give away free or [TS]

01:17:55   whatever but also what you said about [TS]

01:17:57   the maximum addressable market for this [TS]

01:17:59   application being relatively small it's [TS]

01:18:02   making me leaning pretty heavily towards [TS]

01:18:04   the idea that you do not spend much time [TS]

01:18:06   trying to prevent piracy because I've [TS]

01:18:08   has been discussing slack for the best [TS]

01:18:10   weeks and as has been discussed many [TS]

01:18:11   times on the web especially in the old [TS]

01:18:13   days back before you know the days of [TS]

01:18:15   shareware and everything you can invest [TS]

01:18:18   essentially infinite time and trying to [TS]

01:18:19   stop piracy you will always lose it's [TS]

01:18:21   almost impossible to stop unless you're [TS]

01:18:24   really bad your legitimate users and and [TS]

01:18:27   then for what to get like two extra [TS]

01:18:29   users out of addressable market of a [TS]

01:18:31   hundred it's just not worth it like so [TS]

01:18:33   not only should you not spend lots of [TS]

01:18:36   your time on an application that you [TS]

01:18:37   know is not gonna make tons of money up [TS]

01:18:39   but of the time that you spend all that [TS]

01:18:42   time should be on the actual application [TS]

01:18:44   very little of it should be on the part [TS]

01:18:47   that you know prevent piracy just you [TS]

01:18:48   want to prevent super casual piracy so [TS]

01:18:51   do basically the simplest thing a little [TS]

01:18:52   possibly work and uh and i would say [TS]

01:18:56   that's it and then just like you know [TS]

01:18:58   you don't do nothing because it's so [TS]

01:18:59   easy to just do something and that helps [TS]

01:19:01   but and especially if like as you [TS]

01:19:03   mentioned the ambition to be like this [TS]

01:19:05   could be a stepping stone to like it you [TS]

01:19:07   know of a suite of podcasting tools are [TS]

01:19:10   indicated integrated podcast production [TS]

01:19:12   application like you have to build your [TS]

01:19:13   way up to an app like that it's very [TS]

01:19:14   difficult for single developer yeah with [TS]

01:19:15   other applications to do that like but [TS]

01:19:17   if you are going to build your way up to [TS]

01:19:18   it you'd want to build it on a ladder of [TS]

01:19:21   small applications that make money in [TS]

01:19:23   that you learn things from and once you [TS]

01:19:25   do like Marcos minimal casual piracy [TS]

01:19:28   prevention kit you just reuse that and [TS]

01:19:30   all the other apps you do and then you [TS]

01:19:32   know there's there's a it's an [TS]

01:19:34   infrastructure when like you do it once [TS]

01:19:36   do it to your satisfaction [TS]

01:19:38   don't worry about it again and then try [TS]

01:19:41   not to because as programmers it's fun [TS]

01:19:43   to get sucked into like all I can battle [TS]

01:19:44   these hackers and what if i do this [TS]

01:19:45   clever thing and that like you're going [TS]

01:19:47   to lose and it's just a rat hole and no [TS]

01:19:51   one gives you money for throwing daggers [TS]

01:19:52   like literally no one gives you my like [TS]

01:19:54   it's the whole thing about how many [TS]

01:19:55   people would have paid if you prevented [TS]

01:19:58   it [TS]

01:19:58   like do enough to keep the people with a [TS]

01:20:01   conscience vaguely honest and then call [TS]

01:20:03   today [TS]

01:20:04   yeah that's I mean that's basically my [TS]

01:20:06   thought here too which is if i charge [TS]

01:20:09   which again I'm I'm really leaning [TS]

01:20:11   mostly towards keeping close source but [TS]

01:20:14   probably seen it for free but if i do [TS]

01:20:16   charge for it [TS]

01:20:17   ultimately i agree because you know I [TS]

01:20:20   grew up as as a pc user and in the late [TS]

01:20:23   nineties pirating tons of crap as a [TS]

01:20:25   stupid teenager I know how these things [TS]

01:20:27   work and I it's been awhile since I've [TS]

01:20:30   been in that scene but i'm pretty sure [TS]

01:20:31   it basically works the same way now as [TS]

01:20:33   it always has the easiest case scenario [TS]

01:20:36   is you share key and even if you start [TS]

01:20:38   doing like he checks well then you just [TS]

01:20:39   hack the binary to bypass the check and [TS]

01:20:42   no matter how obscure and you know you [TS]

01:20:44   can obfuscate the check you can put [TS]

01:20:45   multiple texts all over the code there's [TS]

01:20:47   all sorts of strategies techniques you [TS]

01:20:49   can do and ultimately none of them [TS]

01:20:51   really work for very long and you can [TS]

01:20:54   look at the gaming mark the pc gaming [TS]

01:20:56   market for all their wonderful tricks [TS]

01:20:57   they they probably over the years and [TS]

01:20:59   most of which get cracked fairly quickly [TS]

01:21:02   you know granted a big reason those get [TS]

01:21:04   cracked is because there's a lot of [TS]

01:21:06   people who want them to be correct and [TS]

01:21:08   if for a very narrow to like this if [TS]

01:21:11   it's only gonna be like a hundred [TS]

01:21:12   possible customers you know it's very [TS]

01:21:14   likely that none of those hundred people [TS]

01:21:16   are actually like professional crack [TS]

01:21:17   this but you know the reality is that I [TS]

01:21:21   i agree that it's not really worth [TS]

01:21:23   spending a lot of time on it is we're [TS]

01:21:24   spending some time on because a little [TS]

01:21:27   goes a long way if if you put in a [TS]

01:21:30   system where like all right i just [TS]

01:21:32   bought it and I want to give it to Casey [TS]

01:21:35   and I just you know I email him a copy [TS]

01:21:37   of my key and he's entered it works and [TS]

01:21:40   then what if he wants to go to a friends [TS]

01:21:41   he just passed on Mikey to like you know [TS]

01:21:44   how does all these things work or in the [TS]

01:21:46   case where none of us have bought it you [TS]

01:21:47   know does he go on whatever the [TS]

01:21:50   bittorrent tracker of the month is and [TS]

01:21:52   try to download it from there or [TS]

01:21:54   download a cracked from some you know [TS]

01:21:55   big database something i don't know i [TS]

01:21:56   don't know if it's been a long time to [TS]

01:21:58   piracy think but or at least anything [TS]

01:22:01   that was a TV show but I I assume that's [TS]

01:22:03   how these things still work and you're [TS]

01:22:05   never gonna win against that and so yeah [TS]

01:22:07   it isn't worth a lot of effort it and [TS]

01:22:10   there's and I am I'm of [TS]

01:22:11   course not naive enough to assume that [TS]

01:22:14   every pirated copy is a lost sale and if [TS]

01:22:18   i make it impossible to pirate on me [TS]

01:22:20   crazy or something that I can that i [TS]

01:22:22   will somehow get all those sails again [TS]

01:22:24   like I know that's how the world works [TS]

01:22:25   but i would build something you know I [TS]

01:22:28   could do some kind of cryptographic key [TS]

01:22:30   like that's pretty easy i have like a [TS]

01:22:32   public/private key thing already set up [TS]

01:22:33   to like you know I can verify that my [TS]

01:22:35   server generated a certain string like [TS]

01:22:37   an you know with signature and [TS]

01:22:38   everything but this all really seems [TS]

01:22:40   like it's probably not necessary at all [TS]

01:22:41   because this is probably not charging [TS]

01:22:43   for at least for a while and maybe [TS]

01:22:45   someday if I have you know a few years [TS]

01:22:47   down the road if I have like a suite of [TS]

01:22:49   tools that i can release together as [TS]

01:22:51   like one sweet and maybe charge fifty or [TS]

01:22:54   hundred bucks for that maybe that [TS]

01:22:56   becomes more compelling and maybe I [TS]

01:22:58   charged then but i just don't see [TS]

01:23:00   charging for this now in a way that [TS]

01:23:04   would be really worth the trouble [TS]

01:23:05   because i think that most I might make a [TS]

01:23:09   couple thousand dollars over the course [TS]

01:23:10   of like a year and it you know i know [TS]

01:23:14   that sounds like a lot of money to some [TS]

01:23:15   people but if I have to have this entire [TS]

01:23:17   support system in place to make that [TS]

01:23:20   it's probably not worth it you know as [TS]

01:23:24   I'm thinking about it listening to you [TS]

01:23:26   talk [TS]

01:23:27   the only reason I can see not to open [TS]

01:23:32   source it on the assumption that it's [TS]

01:23:33   free which is what it sounds like your [TS]

01:23:35   kind of backing your way into the only [TS]

01:23:37   reason I can see not to open source it [TS]

01:23:39   is if you wanted to eventually sell it [TS]

01:23:41   down the road and that's a weak argument [TS]

01:23:44   to begin with but if you make it free [TS]

01:23:47   there's still support burden it may not [TS]

01:23:50   be quite as obnoxious as a paid app but [TS]

01:23:53   you still have a support Burton whereas [TS]

01:23:55   if you open source it it should absolve [TS]

01:23:58   you of any support but i guarantee you [TS]

01:24:01   it doesn't i guarantee it but that's all [TS]

01:24:03   in you right i think i think the free [TS]

01:24:05   one absolves you support to cause it's [TS]

01:24:07   free like I don't think the open-source [TS]

01:24:08   get through the support like it was the [TS]

01:24:10   open source does is that I was just [TS]

01:24:12   saying like if people do send your [TS]

01:24:13   patches you don't have to accept those [TS]

01:24:14   but if you have a free app to that does [TS]

01:24:16   not support Burton they're like it's a [TS]

01:24:18   free app like this is what i'm using [TS]

01:24:20   right now i have a link on our website [TS]

01:24:22   you feel free to download and use it but [TS]

01:24:24   you get nothing for me I don't owe you [TS]

01:24:26   anything i again i will refund your [TS]

01:24:27   entire zero dollars that you paid for it [TS]

01:24:29   well but what if it's open source than [TS]

01:24:32   you can say will go fix it yourself [TS]

01:24:33   which is obnoxious but now you can [TS]

01:24:35   actually you can actually say that you [TS]

01:24:37   should never actually said that and you [TS]

01:24:38   can't say that because nobody who [TS]

01:24:39   complains knows how to fix it [TS]

01:24:41   yeah i mean like i am a programmer i use [TS]

01:24:44   lots of open source libraries and stuff [TS]

01:24:45   and things and i hardly ever fix bugs in [TS]

01:24:48   them [TS]

01:24:49   I just if I find a problem with one eye [TS]

01:24:51   either worker and I stopped using it [TS]

01:24:52   usually because usually it's it's a [TS]

01:24:55   deeper problem that I don't feel [TS]

01:24:57   qualified to fix or don't want to spend [TS]

01:24:58   the time to get familiar enough with the [TS]

01:25:01   codebase to fix correctly and be like [TS]

01:25:03   hey how many podcast producers are also [TS]

01:25:05   Mac programmers as some of them are but [TS]

01:25:07   probably not a lot of them but yeah [TS]

01:25:09   that's a fair point I really feel like [TS]

01:25:13   if you have a free app you will [TS]

01:25:16   definitely get a free closed source app [TS]

01:25:20   you will definitely get support requests [TS]

01:25:22   and complaints and if it were me anyway [TS]

01:25:26   I would feel a lot more compulsion to to [TS]

01:25:31   address those because I'm the only [TS]

01:25:33   person on the planet who can address [TS]

01:25:35   them as opposed to if this thing is on [TS]

01:25:38   github which admittedly the people who [TS]

01:25:39   are emailing may not have the capability [TS]

01:25:40   of fixing the problem but but at least [TS]

01:25:44   there's some other human being out there [TS]

01:25:46   that might be able to and that's how i [TS]

01:25:48   would rest easy at night is knowing look [TS]

01:25:50   I'm not helping all these people that [TS]

01:25:51   are whining about what doesn't doesn't [TS]

01:25:54   doesn't does not work but I'm also not [TS]

01:25:56   standing in the way of them figuring out [TS]

01:25:59   a way to fix it is any future designs on [TS]

01:26:02   podcast reduction products which clearly [TS]

01:26:04   as though all you're doing is giving [TS]

01:26:06   head start your competitor to your [TS]

01:26:07   future competitors essentially like [TS]

01:26:09   someone could just pick up that codes [TS]

01:26:10   are going to use this is the basis of my [TS]

01:26:11   competing sweet and that's that's not a [TS]

01:26:13   good plan if thats here if you even not [TS]

01:26:15   even plan to do that but like I might do [TS]

01:26:18   that like you like Marcus everyone says [TS]

01:26:19   I want to leave that option open so yeah [TS]

01:26:22   and getting back to the serial number [TS]

01:26:24   thing I think the most important feature [TS]

01:26:27   of the antivirus thing other than the [TS]

01:26:29   fact that it exists at all as a you know [TS]

01:26:31   I'm non zero barrier is that it not [TS]

01:26:34   annoy honest people and is the pump up [TS]

01:26:37   the part where most of these systems [TS]

01:26:39   fall down because really where like it's [TS]

01:26:42   again it's so tempting to be able to [TS]

01:26:44   judge your ante peri system on how well [TS]

01:26:46   prevent piracy but your anti-piracy [TS]

01:26:47   system should be judged on how little it [TS]

01:26:49   annoys people who are not pirates and [TS]

01:26:52   that's really hard to do you really [TS]

01:26:54   mostly in terms of restraint you have to [TS]

01:26:56   like back off and not be like but but [TS]

01:26:58   but if I can't contact the server to [TS]

01:27:00   verify the code i should launch right [TS]

01:27:01   it's like no no you gotta go just let go [TS]

01:27:04   just think think about the honest user [TS]

01:27:07   and how you never want to be in their [TS]

01:27:08   face [TS]

01:27:09   yeah no I mean that's I mean III because [TS]

01:27:12   I am me I bring from all sorts of crazy [TS]

01:27:14   ways that I could do this then think of [TS]

01:27:17   course I'm I'm thinking about doing a [TS]

01:27:19   password this email lock because that's [TS]

01:27:21   what I do we already beta-tested that [TS]

01:27:25   the focus group is not a not good i [TS]

01:27:27   still don't have a problem with it [TS]

01:27:29   yeah that's because maybe your emails [TS]

01:27:31   likely show up in time and you're not [TS]

01:27:32   sitting there hitting refresh on your [TS]

01:27:33   email client gone cursing Marco every [TS]

01:27:36   time [TS]

01:27:37   yeah so anyway those of us with really [TS]

01:27:39   my clients love these kind of systems [TS]

01:27:41   you but it's not the clients your damn [TS]

01:27:43   server it's not gonna take you somewhere [TS]

01:27:44   trying to get out of your is be my [TS]

01:27:46   server is your client [TS]

01:27:48   this is why you don't use the gmail web [TS]

01:27:49   app kids this way don't use gmail kids [TS]

01:27:52   gmail's 50 gmail gets mail gmail get [TS]

01:27:54   smells like instantly except for yours I [TS]

01:27:56   really don't know no some websites [TS]

01:27:59   third-party websites that are not [TS]

01:28:00   Google's I go and I do like a reset my [TS]

01:28:02   password i click the reset my password [TS]

01:28:05   link and like before the mouse button is [TS]

01:28:08   up it arrives in the other browser [TS]

01:28:10   window in gmail like and when i see that [TS]

01:28:13   i realized it's that gmail that's not [TS]

01:28:15   checking my mail fast enough [TS]

01:28:16   it's something else there's internet [TS]

01:28:18   traffic emails store-and-forward system [TS]

01:28:20   many things can go wrong it's not that [TS]

01:28:22   it's great listing it's always great if [TS]

01:28:25   there's ever a delayed email arriving in [TS]

01:28:27   2016 it's great listing it is not like [TS]

01:28:30   all the postfix queue is full no that's [TS]

01:28:33   we are so far past that point these days [TS]

01:28:35   so for those who are familiar great [TS]

01:28:38   listing is a type of spam prevention [TS]

01:28:39   technique where basically that the [TS]

01:28:41   theory is that spam servers have to go [TS]

01:28:45   to this massive list and don't have time [TS]

01:28:48   to like retry and wait around [TS]

01:28:50   if the server says I'm busy try again [TS]

01:28:52   later so the idea it but well behaving [TS]

01:28:55   mail sending server if this its [TS]

01:28:58   destination server says sorry I'm busy [TS]

01:29:00   try again later it'll actually hold that [TS]

01:29:01   message for a while like a week and and [TS]

01:29:04   you'll just try like every hour every [TS]

01:29:06   you know whatever will try again after [TS]

01:29:07   certain certain short intervals and [TS]

01:29:10   followed by long intervals anyway it [TS]

01:29:11   doesn't matter [TS]

01:29:12   so a spam prevention techniques that a [TS]

01:29:14   lot of people that a lot of places do is [TS]

01:29:16   upon like the first time you you get [TS]

01:29:18   email from from a certain center so you [TS]

01:29:20   don't already know they're legit you you [TS]

01:29:22   just tell them oh you're too busy right [TS]

01:29:24   now wait a bit and the theory is the [TS]

01:29:26   spammers we'll just move on because [TS]

01:29:28   there's the spam bots have enough memory [TS]

01:29:30   to keep track of all those things and [TS]

01:29:31   try again later and then but legit [TS]

01:29:34   servers will try again later and we'll [TS]

01:29:36   get through and that's why so often the [TS]

01:29:39   first email you get from a certain [TS]

01:29:41   service or whatever else will be delayed [TS]

01:29:42   by like an hour that's that's what's [TS]

01:29:44   happening it is not any other reason is [TS]

01:29:46   that it's great listing was like the [TS]

01:29:48   first email from your service gets [TS]

01:29:50   delayed its random and it's not an hour [TS]

01:29:52   it's like 60 seconds but it seems like a [TS]

01:29:55   long 60 seconds i'm sitting there [TS]

01:29:56   waiting for it to arrive [TS]

01:29:57   no it'sit's kind of it's up to you well [TS]

01:30:00   okay i see you're saying it when you're [TS]

01:30:02   in your case it's not that long because [TS]

01:30:04   like it's I think it's kind of up to the [TS]

01:30:05   client is to like up to the center as to [TS]

01:30:07   when they try again but i think i think [TS]

01:30:09   a common practice is about an hour or [TS]

01:30:12   something like that but yeah anyway it's [TS]

01:30:13   kind of like the the orders of magnitude [TS]

01:30:15   in terms of like instantaneous is less [TS]

01:30:17   than the speed and like you know not [TS]

01:30:20   waiting is less than you know hundred [TS]

01:30:21   milliseconds and like it is the certain [TS]

01:30:23   like you know orders of magnitude of [TS]

01:30:25   like 10 milliseconds a hundred [TS]

01:30:27   milliseconds one second of like you know [TS]

01:30:30   when does attention wander when do you [TS]

01:30:32   feel like you can go off and do other [TS]

01:30:33   things when do you feel like you're [TS]

01:30:34   waiting on it and going from one having [TS]

01:30:38   a password and having an auto-fill and [TS]

01:30:39   clicking the button is in a different [TS]

01:30:41   order magnitude than having to go to get [TS]

01:30:44   an email like even before you get into [TS]

01:30:46   the idea of like having to find a link [TS]

01:30:48   to click on or whatever or copy and [TS]

01:30:49   paste something whatever it is you may [TS]

01:30:51   have to do it is just a whole other [TS]

01:30:53   order of magnitude in terms of [TS]

01:30:54   responsiveness of like how long does it [TS]

01:30:56   take me to login to the site and what [TS]

01:30:58   other things involved so not a fan [TS]

01:31:01   alright thank you are three sponsors [TS]

01:31:04   this week hover trunk club and Harry's [TS]

01:31:06   and we will see you next week [TS]

01:31:11   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:31:14   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:31:19   it was accidental John research Marco [TS]

01:31:24   and Casey would let him because it was [TS]

01:31:27   accidentally was accidental and you can [TS]

01:31:33   find the show know today [TS]

01:31:35   pvp.net em and if your twitter follow [TS]

01:31:41   them [TS]

01:31:42   yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:31:48   co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

01:31:55   at Syracuse is [TS]

01:32:09   you see all the articles like like our [TS]

01:32:13   passwords the end of the password [TS]

01:32:15   password is over like that all the just [TS]

01:32:17   I I don't know I even click on those are [TS]

01:32:19   girls name was all they're talking about [TS]

01:32:20   like what password this login [TS]

01:32:21   this is like this you know he'll escape [TS]

01:32:23   where reset my password is the only way [TS]

01:32:25   you can log into anything essentially [TS]

01:32:26   well but I mean honestly first of all [TS]

01:32:29   that is not that bad [TS]

01:32:30   I've done it's fine second of all that [TS]

01:32:32   is kind of the reality of how a lot of [TS]

01:32:34   people log into things anyway because a [TS]

01:32:35   lot of people I I know but it's not it's [TS]

01:32:37   not a good reality like it's a bad [TS]

01:32:39   reality I don't want that reality [TS]

01:32:40   agreed but a lot of people like to [TS]

01:32:42   always forget their password to [TS]

01:32:44   everything and they just click that link [TS]

01:32:46   almost every time they log in [TS]

01:32:47   I know but anyway you still in the [TS]

01:32:49   passwords your email like you're [TS]

01:32:50   eventually get down to one password [TS]

01:32:51   situation and then hey why not just use [TS]

01:32:53   1password so here's a question what if [TS]

01:32:55   what if my key system was a web login [TS]

01:33:00   and what if it was basically like in the [TS]

01:33:02   app it would have liked email and [TS]

01:33:05   password know it you can you not make a [TS]

01:33:09   client-side application that does not [TS]

01:33:10   have a server component you do not need [TS]

01:33:12   a server completed for you just like I [TS]

01:33:14   want to write PHP dammit i know it's a [TS]

01:33:16   madcap but like this a huge huge wind [TS]

01:33:19   just giving people a binary and then [TS]

01:33:21   they never touch your servers like its [TS]

01:33:22   it scales much better than you having to [TS]

01:33:24   babysit servers with that but that does [TS]

01:33:26   not do anything about key sharing which [TS]

01:33:28   is probably the biggest form of casual [TS]

01:33:29   piracy not I was like it's free like it [TS]

01:33:31   was free application i just want to show [TS]

01:33:33   Jeffrey Jeffrey like quitter quitter I [TS]

01:33:35   guess you did there's no server you want [TS]

01:33:36   to quit right yeah just freaked but but [TS]

01:33:38   you're just dying to do something in PHP [TS]

01:33:40   like have a login page [TS]

01:33:42   I like PHP i love all the backslashes in [TS]

01:33:45   the namespaces not going to solve using [TS]

01:33:47   the name is basically hit the back left [TS]

01:33:49   you quickly got over windows and huh [TS]

01:33:52   yeah i know-oh-oh AI can talk about that [TS]

01:33:55   briefly if you wanted if we have an [TS]

01:33:56   after-show don't have to tivo so yeah [TS]

01:34:00   basically I i asked on Twitter so tiff [TS]

01:34:02   wants to play a certain game that's only [TS]

01:34:05   available on xbox one [TS]

01:34:09   yeah xbox one and windows you asked on [TS]

01:34:12   Twitter that's how you're gonna start [TS]

01:34:13   the story [TS]

01:34:14   yeah hey so what's the real start of the [TS]

01:34:16   story his story is i was asked because [TS]

01:34:20   I'm a person who you know who plays [TS]

01:34:22   games on man [TS]

01:34:22   exhale i want to play inside how should [TS]

01:34:24   i do it and I told you the answer two [TS]

01:34:26   days pass and then you post on Twitter [TS]

01:34:28   hey can anyone tell me how I can play [TS]

01:34:29   inside as if we had never talked as if [TS]

01:34:31   the discussion never took place [TS]

01:34:32   is that what I had to say was just [TS]

01:34:34   garbage and obviously not trustworthy [TS]

01:34:35   because what do I know having actually [TS]

01:34:37   played inside on a Mac what did you tell [TS]

01:34:39   each other's competition with me or tiff [TS]

01:34:41   want you to you're the same person you [TS]

01:34:43   live in the same no you did not know [TS]

01:34:45   they are not a minute or two people she [TS]

01:34:47   was like can you convince marco to do [TS]

01:34:49   this I'm like you can convince mark I [TS]

01:34:51   think your husband i bet you I bet you [TS]

01:34:52   have some influence in that area so so [TS]

01:34:55   wait so before I tell you what I did [TS]

01:34:56   what should I have done so my options [TS]

01:34:58   are basically like should I should I [TS]

01:35:00   attempt to go through the hassle of [TS]

01:35:02   making a bootcamp partition and and of [TS]

01:35:04   course you know then having to install [TS]

01:35:05   without first having to get windows [TS]

01:35:07   having to install windows and then [TS]

01:35:09   having to run windows or should be [TS]

01:35:11   caused by an xbox one because they're [TS]

01:35:14   actually not that expensive these days [TS]

01:35:15   the answer the surrounding context of [TS]

01:35:17   this is that a bunch of people who are [TS]

01:35:19   on the incomparable have played inside [TS]

01:35:20   and it's the whole reason I want to play [TS]

01:35:23   was like they've already played it and [TS]

01:35:25   they wanted to have a podcast about it [TS]

01:35:27   and if you want to be on the podcast you [TS]

01:35:28   have to have played at this point there [TS]

01:35:30   was no implied schedule like when we [TS]

01:35:31   were going to do this thing but the [TS]

01:35:32   point is they had just played like three [TS]

01:35:34   or four people that played it so there's [TS]

01:35:35   a possibility that had three or four [TS]

01:35:36   people played it could have gone up on [TS]

01:35:38   the schedule for next week's show and so [TS]

01:35:40   time was kind of the essence here and in [TS]

01:35:43   that scenario in the context in which it [TS]

01:35:44   was asked a bunch of people played [TS]

01:35:45   inside I want to play too i only have a [TS]

01:35:47   mac the answer the obvious answer is [TS]

01:35:49   boot camp because it's not just an [TS]

01:35:52   investment for this game because you can [TS]

01:35:54   play lots of things in bootcamp there [TS]

01:35:55   are lots of games that are only [TS]

01:35:56   available for Windows and it's really [TS]

01:35:59   easy to do and i know you have tons of [TS]

01:36:01   our spare hard drives laying around and [TS]

01:36:03   it gets you the game the fastest with [TS]

01:36:06   the most bang for your buck now the [TS]

01:36:08   windows thing is an issue but had you [TS]

01:36:11   followed up with me that I would've told [TS]

01:36:12   the same thing ever on twitter did which [TS]

01:36:14   you can get a free trial and does the [TS]

01:36:16   free trial matter for a game it takes [TS]

01:36:18   three hours to play who cares a 90-day [TS]

01:36:19   30-day free trial of windows like this [TS]

01:36:21   is the fastest way to go from zero to i [TS]

01:36:23   have played inside with minimal [TS]

01:36:26   especially if you're not the one has to [TS]

01:36:28   install bootcamp just make make you do [TS]

01:36:30   it and like different makes you do it [TS]

01:36:31   and it's fine but even if you have to do [TS]

01:36:33   it yourself like I did [TS]

01:36:34   before you even got to the point where [TS]

01:36:36   you ask the same question on Twitter to [TS]

01:36:37   get the same answers from other people i [TS]

01:36:39   had finished the game free i did install [TS]

01:36:40   I didn't know you can't play the game [TS]

01:36:42   finished it like it is not that bad and [TS]

01:36:46   now i actually have actually have a [TS]

01:36:48   legitimate copy of windows7 from back in [TS]

01:36:50   the day so now i have a more up-to-date [TS]

01:36:52   bootcamp partition and by the way yes my [TS]

01:36:54   2008 mac pro played inside just fine at [TS]

01:36:57   native rest of course [TS]

01:36:59   okay see what do you think I should have [TS]

01:37:01   done oh you absolutely without a shadow [TS]

01:37:03   of a doubt by the exponent because it [TS]

01:37:05   was that is the most Marco a solution to [TS]

01:37:07   this problem but now but you don't know [TS]

01:37:09   like that the backstory and xbox one is [TS]

01:37:11   there's two new ones coming out the [TS]

01:37:12   better version of the current one and [TS]

01:37:14   then a much more powerful one year later [TS]

01:37:15   this is kind of the wrong time to buy an [TS]

01:37:17   xbox one as well how much is the xbox [TS]

01:37:19   one you can get among it you can get [TS]

01:37:22   amazon for about 250 bucks you [TS]

01:37:24   absolutely by the xbox one and then if [TS]

01:37:26   you want to try to sell it for a hundred [TS]

01:37:28   bucks later and I could be able to sell [TS]

01:37:30   that xbox one once the new ones come out [TS]

01:37:32   so here's my dilemma basically like the [TS]

01:37:36   xbox is the lower effort very the lower [TS]

01:37:39   efforts slightly more money version than [TS]

01:37:42   just buying windows or whatever else [TS]

01:37:43   which is the Marco version that is the [TS]

01:37:46   Marco version yeah probably right [TS]

01:37:48   however and and if it was if it was a [TS]

01:37:51   ps4 and it already have plans for I [TS]

01:37:53   might have done that [TS]

01:37:54   however our house is full of game [TS]

01:37:57   consoles that we've played very briefly [TS]

01:37:59   and then you sit around for the next [TS]

01:38:01   seven years collecting dust on the TV [TS]

01:38:02   and I just I don't want another console [TS]

01:38:06   because like if you like these two [TS]

01:38:08   options what do I had like after we're [TS]

01:38:09   done with this if it be whether it's [TS]

01:38:12   like a windows partition or an external [TS]

01:38:14   windows drive or whatever or this game [TS]

01:38:16   system [TS]

01:38:17   what am I stuck with afterwards in the [TS]

01:38:19   house like what is going to collect us [TS]

01:38:21   in the house afterwards if it's a [TS]

01:38:22   bootcamp partition nothing or at worst [TS]

01:38:24   an external disk of some kind if it's [TS]

01:38:27   the game system which admittedly is [TS]

01:38:30   easier i had this giant box sitting [TS]

01:38:32   around these controllers and these plugs [TS]

01:38:34   adapters and all this crap I i have [TS]

01:38:37   games and we have a ps3 in the closet [TS]

01:38:39   that I hardly ever played we have a ps4 [TS]

01:38:42   that we've played that template i think [TS]

01:38:44   two games on so far [TS]

01:38:46   uh and but in VR stuffs gonna come out [TS]

01:38:49   and make all these systems irrelevant [TS]

01:38:50   anyway [TS]

01:38:51   well I was like okay there we have a 360 [TS]

01:38:53   that i bought like it you know back in [TS]

01:38:55   two thousand eight or something that's [TS]

01:38:57   that is very rarely actually you know [TS]

01:38:59   we've used in bursts here they're like [TS]

01:39:01   to like typically a certain game on my [TS]

01:39:02   pleasure to give up but for the most [TS]

01:39:04   part it didn't get a lot of use before [TS]

01:39:06   that we had a we didn't get a lot of use [TS]

01:39:07   because like everyone else is we we try [TS]

01:39:10   to have fun for a month and i never [TS]

01:39:11   played again you know with somewhere we [TS]

01:39:13   have a wii fit balance board with this [TS]

01:39:15   same the same fate happened i mean like [TS]

01:39:17   i have always liked giant plastic games [TS]

01:39:19   and all over the place trying to figure [TS]

01:39:21   what the hell do it then we can really [TS]

01:39:22   sell them not really worth enough to [TS]

01:39:23   justify like they're shipping weight [TS]

01:39:25   once they're used an old and so like I [TS]

01:39:29   like what the heck do i doing so and [TS]

01:39:31   also the xbox one in the current [TS]

01:39:33   generation just seems like the loser [TS]

01:39:36   system and I apologize for anybody who [TS]

01:39:38   has fun but it just seemed like I have [TS]

01:39:40   so often in my life made the wrong [TS]

01:39:43   choice on a format war or a game console [TS]

01:39:46   generation or something I've so often [TS]

01:39:48   like shows in the losing side and then [TS]

01:39:50   been stuck with this like losing [TS]

01:39:52   hardware and and you know having all the [TS]

01:39:54   problems that go along with that and so [TS]

01:39:56   I try to avoid as much like and he's [TS]

01:39:57   like I've done so many times like I [TS]

01:40:00   bought a DVD + r dr I mean come on [TS]

01:40:03   so I try to avoid that and the xbox one [TS]

01:40:06   just seems like it has so definitively [TS]

01:40:09   lost this generation and you know some [TS]

01:40:11   generations are closed and others this [TS]

01:40:12   one seems like it's not close [TS]

01:40:14   well the xbox one that's the reason you [TS]

01:40:16   want to buy now because it is poised to [TS]

01:40:17   win the point five generation that [TS]

01:40:19   they're both doing like so when in the [TS]

01:40:22   revised versions the knot this knot the [TS]

01:40:24   xbox that is essentially the same xbox [TS]

01:40:26   one but smaller and quieter like what is [TS]

01:40:28   coming out in a week [TS]

01:40:29   yeah whatever not that one like that's [TS]

01:40:30   fine that's just like what they normally [TS]

01:40:32   do but the one after that which will be [TS]

01:40:34   competing with the new new ps4 they will [TS]

01:40:37   both be more powerful consoles the new [TS]

01:40:40   more powerful xbox one who will be much [TS]

01:40:42   more powerful than the new more powerful [TS]

01:40:43   playstation 4 so it will be an inversion [TS]

01:40:45   of the current scenario where the [TS]

01:40:46   playstation 4 is slightly more powerful [TS]

01:40:49   this will this will widen the gap in the [TS]

01:40:50   opposite direction it will that be [TS]

01:40:52   enough to make the xbox one do better in [TS]

01:40:54   this generation probably not especially [TS]

01:40:55   since they'll have to make the games [TS]

01:40:56   playing xbox one too but [TS]

01:40:59   I it's all that means is that this is [TS]

01:41:01   the wrong time to buy an xbox one [TS]

01:41:02   essential message a whole bunch of games [TS]

01:41:03   that you know you want to play but more [TS]

01:41:05   importantly in this whole big thing that [TS]

01:41:07   you missed that you've gone through the [TS]

01:41:08   most salient fact here is why you've [TS]

01:41:11   been worrying about this tiff is not [TS]

01:41:12   been playing inside and she can be done [TS]

01:41:14   right it's a three-hour game you could [TS]

01:41:16   have been done like all this hemming and [TS]

01:41:17   hawing is like pointless and it's like [TS]

01:41:19   oh you're not stuck with much and steam [TS]

01:41:21   not only not stuck with much if you make [TS]

01:41:23   like a boot camp partition that is an [TS]

01:41:24   asset she will not delete it [TS]

01:41:26   there are tons of games on steam that [TS]

01:41:28   are only available on windows when they [TS]

01:41:29   have steam sales she'll buy something [TS]

01:41:31   for three bucks and get a day's worth of [TS]

01:41:33   fun out of it and that's a good deal [TS]

01:41:34   like you won't be like and I know you [TS]

01:41:36   have hard drives her you don't have to [TS]

01:41:37   buy a hard drive like you have them [TS]

01:41:39   there [TS]

01:41:40   this you should have already done this I [TS]

01:41:41   feel like you're failing as a husband [TS]

01:41:43   and probably the Father Adam is [TS]

01:41:45   disappointed in you two let's be honest [TS]

01:41:46   so here's the other the other side of [TS]

01:41:47   this direction on the bootcamp side is i [TS]

01:41:51   find windows dirty like I don't like [TS]

01:41:52   Windows I i was there for so long I I i [TS]

01:41:55   fled and I don't want to go back and i [TS]

01:41:58   have i have occasionally maintained [TS]

01:42:00   bootcamp rotation on my own computer on [TS]

01:42:02   my own my own mac very occasionally and [TS]

01:42:04   the last time for a long time ago [TS]

01:42:06   because every time I do it every great [TS]

01:42:08   having done it because I just I realize [TS]

01:42:10   how much I hate windows and how much I [TS]

01:42:11   actually don't like gaming very much [TS]

01:42:12   anymore anyway but if tiptoes play games [TS]

01:42:15   so you know if I want to I want to do [TS]

01:42:16   something for her so I'm but her [TS]

01:42:17   computer has like no free space which [TS]

01:42:19   has tons of photos on that she's a [TS]

01:42:21   photographer so tons of photos on there [TS]

01:42:23   there's no free space in the built-in [TS]

01:42:24   drive [TS]

01:42:25   I eventually learned that oh you can [TS]

01:42:27   actually do bootcamp on external drives [TS]

01:42:29   these days I didn't realize that until [TS]

01:42:30   fairly recently that solves all these [TS]

01:42:33   problems like I don't feel like and [TS]

01:42:34   dislike dirty windows partition sitting [TS]

01:42:35   around like jumping up my mac all the [TS]

01:42:37   time because i can just unplug the drive [TS]

01:42:38   and put it in a drawer and then it's [TS]

01:42:40   it's gone you know so i didn't and i [TS]

01:42:43   also didn't want to put it on a spinning [TS]

01:42:45   disk because those are huge and ugly and [TS]

01:42:46   loud and actually don't have any [TS]

01:42:48   two-and-a-half-inch appendix III only [TS]

01:42:50   have three and a half inch ones that I [TS]

01:42:51   could do it to it now be even larger and [TS]

01:42:53   even louder and and even hotter and slow [TS]

01:42:56   and i don't think i even have any [TS]

01:42:59   three-and-a-half-inch enclosures this is [TS]

01:43:01   a lot of excuses i installed on a big [TS]

01:43:03   spent about five inches and you know [TS]

01:43:04   what i want to play the game good and I [TS]

01:43:07   hate windows my guarantee i hate windows [TS]

01:43:08   more than you guarantee ya [TS]

01:43:10   yeah well anyway so instead of doing any [TS]

01:43:13   of those options I had to buy something [TS]

01:43:16   of course because i like buying things I [TS]

01:43:18   when I was on a ball one of those little [TS]

01:43:20   samsung t three external ssds of course [TS]

01:43:24   you did [TS]

01:43:24   yeah because they're great overall and [TS]

01:43:28   their friend has a little ssds great and [TS]

01:43:30   I didn't have any other recipes that [TS]

01:43:32   were large enough I have like an old [TS]

01:43:33   really tiny one but none that were large [TS]

01:43:35   enough I just bought the 250 gig one for [TS]

01:43:38   like 80 bucks on amazon if you a few [TS]

01:43:39   days ago [TS]

01:43:40   it arrived yesterday i install this [TS]

01:43:43   morning I'd i followed the stackoverflow [TS]

01:43:44   instructions on like how to do an [TS]

01:43:46   external windows first like load of [TS]

01:43:48   vmware loadable little windows in that [TS]

01:43:50   use the disc image tool whatever you [TS]

01:43:53   know automated install tools or whatever [TS]

01:43:54   to do all the stuff to make a [TS]

01:43:55   configurable national guard then it's [TS]

01:43:57   almost national driving these other [TS]

01:43:58   windows installation from your vmware [TS]

01:44:00   it's like all this crap sorry i'll put a [TS]

01:44:02   scrap my laptop to figure out exactly [TS]

01:44:04   what this cluttering up my best but it's [TS]

01:44:07   like I want to vmware installation I'm [TS]

01:44:09   never going to use that is going to [TS]

01:44:10   cause problems for me so just put it on [TS]

01:44:12   my left a friend okay so then i [TS]

01:44:15   configured it all and now it works and [TS]

01:44:17   as of this morning we have now is [TS]

01:44:19   bootable little samsung SSD WSB has a [TS]

01:44:22   Steve that we can plug into either of [TS]

01:44:24   our computers whenever a game comes [TS]

01:44:26   along we want to play and we can just [TS]

01:44:28   play it i installed steam are our [TS]

01:44:30   account force teams already set up and [TS]

01:44:31   I'd already bought and downloaded inside [TS]

01:44:33   it's all ready to go so typical now play [TS]

01:44:36   inside by plugs into the computer [TS]

01:44:37   rebooting and then we're done we can [TS]

01:44:40   unplug it and put it in the drawer and [TS]

01:44:42   if I really need disc for you no [TS]

01:44:44   external use for her but I'm going on a [TS]

01:44:46   trip or something i can just bring this [TS]

01:44:47   disc and we have a disk and afterwards I [TS]

01:44:49   don't have this giant game console [TS]

01:44:50   collecting dust [TS]

01:44:52   I have this useful little external drive [TS]

01:44:54   so I'm reminded of what if I told me [TS]

01:44:57   when I was telling her that she should [TS]

01:44:59   speed you along to get this done several [TS]

01:45:01   days earlier instead of asking and [TS]

01:45:03   Twitter and doing all the stuff and not [TS]

01:45:04   listening to things that I already told [TS]

01:45:06   you he told her not me she told you to [TS]

01:45:09   you live together anyway [TS]

01:45:11   do you know what you told me what you [TS]

01:45:12   said this is what Marco does you just [TS]

01:45:15   have to let it run its course and you [TS]

01:45:18   weren't going so well you just that this [TS]

01:45:20   is what she said you just have to let it [TS]

01:45:22   run its course [TS]

01:45:22   spoken like a woman [TS]

01:45:23   who knows what she's dealing with no one [TS]

01:45:26   knows me better than her so it has run [TS]

01:45:28   its course you have you have acquired a [TS]

01:45:30   new toy you have read web pages about [TS]

01:45:33   how to do something techy and net and [TS]

01:45:35   now you're happy because you don't have [TS]

01:45:37   an xbox in the house and you both have [TS]

01:45:39   the capability place team games I just [TS]

01:45:41   can't wait for you to be fighting over i [TS]

01:45:42   guess you can just climb but at that [TS]

01:45:43   point then you have to look up our [TS]

01:45:44   windows disk line tools i guarantee you [TS]

01:45:48   there will never be a time when TIFF and [TS]

01:45:51   I both at the same time want to play the [TS]

01:45:54   same windows game that's not good at [TS]

01:45:57   both lay inside it's fun although yeah [TS]

01:45:58   but just watch article i will be fine [TS]

01:46:01   that's all I want to do yeah I just I [TS]

01:46:03   cannot believe you spent this much time [TS]

01:46:06   on this [TS]

01:46:07   a what what is that you're supposed to [TS]

01:46:09   be doing on overcast that you're [TS]

01:46:11   refusing to do or avoiding doing with [TS]

01:46:13   such passion that you're writing mac [TS]

01:46:15   apps and installing windows a new watch [TS]

01:46:17   app [TS]

01:46:18   Oh from scratch for watching us three [TS]

01:46:20   that's what I have to drive because you [TS]

01:46:21   skipped a generation like Apple in there [TS]

01:46:23   max yeah because the generation sucked [TS]

01:46:25   to show me any watcher was to developers [TS]

01:46:28   like I'm glad I did that I can't think [TS]

01:46:31   of any underscores glad is now he has [TS]

01:46:34   the experience now we can do watch apps [TS]

01:46:36   and sleepy sneezes and watch app comes [TS]

01:46:37   up [TS]