The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► you know those are those are free to [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► play dogs we got some feedback with [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► regard to my maybe maybe not know I [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► guess it is definitely ailing but we [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► don't know why I mac an anonymous Apple [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Genius wrote in and i'd like to read [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► this is pretty much their entire email [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► they said I see failures exactly like [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► the one you're describing the hanging [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► after waking from sleep after swapping [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► the stock ran back in not the reboots [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► the reboots were almost certainly owc [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► ram that do trackback to this to the GPU [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► for sure but much more frequently it is [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► just Apple not having its stuff together [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► software wise also nothing makes me [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► sadder than someone dropping off a [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► machine that's experiencing an [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► intermittent issue and it just sits [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► there for a week running stress testing [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► or diagnostics and we have to give it [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► back with a shrug when we find nothing [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► or worse when people are so utterly [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► convinced as Marco that the that a [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► problem is quote definitely hardware [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► quote that we get bullied into replacing [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► parts anyway for customer appeasement / [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► theater for failure that can't be [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► replicated and then have that person [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► pick up the machine and it's still [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► having the same issue because that issue [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► was never the hardware in the first [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► don't jump the gun be sure it's hardware [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► before you come in and we'll be able to [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► get it right the first time [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► signed apple genius best of luck and [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► don't listen to Marco sunglasses emoji [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► that is actually part of the email which [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► made me laugh so you have so this [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► particular genius said it could I may [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► may not be crazy and I have gotten a lot [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► of feedback about the imac and i am [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► happy to report that it was split about [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► right down the middle half the people [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► said I was insane for not bringing it in [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► and have people said I totally feel you [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► and you're doing the right thing [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► oh we should clarify you know this [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► because you made a pie chart i did I I [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► went full business on this because i [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► always carry it i was curious how this [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► is gonna play out because I share this [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► pie-chart oh yeah if you want i mean you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► can like droplet or something red sheet [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► right you just made that it's a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► spreadsheet and the graph is from the [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► spreadsheet is a google google sheets [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► thing or whatever it is a Google sheet [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► yeah so i probably could drop the sheet [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► if I really felt like it but i probably [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► won't because it's mostly irrelevant but [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► suffice to say i have tried [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► act just line items and I are attracted [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► feedback as line items I've split into [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► four categories pro Casey antique AC [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► jokes which is the beginning I thought [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► we're going to be far more frequent than [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► they were it ended up being only three [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► of them but let go just spilled water on [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it again haha [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and that was basically all three of them [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and then neutral post which were [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► sometimes people saying like oh I can [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► understand your not wanting to bring it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► in but maybe you should or oh we have [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► you tried using this memory testing tool [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► etc etc etc and so it has been 49 and a [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► half percent as for my fancy little [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► spreadsheet that has have been in the [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► pro Casey camp and between the anti [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► Casey and neutral posts [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► that's another 47.7 percent so there you [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► so so I have to ask the obvious question [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► which is has your Mac had any problems [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► since a week ago it has indeed but I can [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► explain these way as well don't you [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► worry [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► so as it turns out it has rebooted [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► itself twice but I am I hold on with our [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► a minute [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► yes hold on though that is because hold [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that's because I've had power failures [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► both times and that is the end the imac [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► is not connected to my UPS all right [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► well that's not rebooting itself that's [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► a different thing [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► yeah it doesn't count but that's why i [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► said it's not it's it has had an issue [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► but its not its fault so that's not an [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► issue [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► well I mean I don't want it to reboot [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► itself but I mean when the powers of [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yang there's nothing you can do is [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► perhaps the best reason for you to bring [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► this in for what may be one of several [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► frustrating visits to the apple store is [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that if you don't every single week on [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the show we are going to ask you how how [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► is the you know any new issues because [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► it's been on kind of like a week [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► interval right so every week there's a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► potential that something could happen [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► that's correct although like these power [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► outages are really messing with the with [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► whatever the interval was uh I know it's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► it's the worst [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► ok so it's a follow-up question because [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the following section of the show he you [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► have a you know a three-thousand-dollar [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► high-end computer that uses your primary [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► computer at home you have a UPS why is [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► this computer not plugged into the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► UPS well so it's plugged into the non [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► battery portion of the UPS because the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► priority is the technology and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► associated paraphernalia like my ear oh [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► and my router and all that other stuff [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► and it's not that big a deal to me if [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► this thing just croaks welts on as we've [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► already demonstrated hfs+ it's a big [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► deal em too shy i actually do in 10-20 [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► bring this up because i had intended to [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► move it over to the battery side i just [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► haven't had the chance yet and we almost [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► never lose power here it's we've just [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► had a couple of really really crummy [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► really really crummy summer [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► thunderstorms and it's just so happen [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► that we've lost power long enough for [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► you know it's been more than just a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► flash it's been long enough for this [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► thing to get upset [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► yeah so it's on my to-do list move it to [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► the other side of the power strip thing [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► do as I power left in your thingy like [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► whatever size the ups's yeah you knowing [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► that was that was the reason why wasn't [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► there already is because i wanted to [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► give as much time as possible to the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► synology because my hypothetical here is [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that I'm gonna be in a situation where i [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► don't have the ability to turn the [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► synology off and this actually came up [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► when we were in San Francisco together [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► we were all Jason smells my watch [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► started going berserk because i was [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► getting push notifications from the [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► technology that the power is going on [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► and off and on and off and on and off [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► and on and off and i actually asked [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► Jason if he wouldn't mind if I used his [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► 5k imac to log into the synology and [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► shut itself down because I didn't want [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► it to you know violently dye it if the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► power and stayed off long enough and so [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that's why i have the synology on the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► UPS but i kept the imac off of it [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► because I wanted all available power to [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► the technology so it can hang on as long [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► as possible in the event of a power [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► outage like I said this has been very [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► peculiar because generally we don't have [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► any issues with power here and we we [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► used to have them relatively frequently [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► but there was a tree branch on the lines [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► right outside my neighborhood and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► everything's in ground in the [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► neighborhood and that tree branches cut [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► cut back by the power company a year or [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► two ago for exactly this reason to [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► prevent this from happening it's just [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► been a peculiar lately that I've lost [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► power a lot so I my to-do list remove [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► the imac over to the battery side of the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► eps I just haven't had the chance yet [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► when I just unplug it right now because [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► it doesn't matter what do you remember [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► the violent death of the things that [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► this anthology will shut itself down the [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► UPS battery that's true sir actually I'm [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► glad you brought that up because that [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► you're absolutely right i'm sure i've [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► never actually tested that in so I'm [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► just scared i tested it unintentionally [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► and also get better get push [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► notifications i get emails every time we [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► vacuum in the basement the technology [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► sends me email about going to UPS and [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► then going back to power because it's [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► like a flicker when you Empire up the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► air the vacuum on the same circuit as [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► the am I my house is under the panel and [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► my house is undersized for the things we [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► have done it anyway I've tested many [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► times where we lost power for long [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► enough and it sends me emails then I [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► think it also sends you know it's like [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► well pump shutting down by and then when [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► it comes back on i forget if you get the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► goodbye email but you certainly get the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► turning back online and yeah there's a [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► setting in the thing where you can tell [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► it when what percentage shutdown or [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► yeah I have that turned on like i said i [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► was just scared of it and i should add [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► just for interesting that the way I got [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► push notifications was by an app called [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► pushover which it i'm sure there's other [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► ones like this but basically i get a [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► unique email from the pushover company [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that i have the synology send emails to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► and then that gets forwarded actually if [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► this and that probably does something [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► like this that a that email gets [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► forwarded to my iphone and then to my [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► watch is so the push notification [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► getting is really just that same email [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► that you're getting I just having I'm [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► having it forwarded on to a to a service [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► that will send the push notification so [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► just pro tip but yeah I should I should [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► definitely move this over to the battery [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► side for sure i wanted to talk a little [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► bit more about pokemon I after we [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► recorded last week there were a couple [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► of interest or whether there was one [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► trend i notice what I just thought was [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► fascinating and i noticed two local well [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► what was once a museum was a park the [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► Science Museum of Virginia which is here [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► in richmond i had posted on their [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► facebook page i kind of feel like such [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► an old person i say that but i think [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that is the proper vernacular looking to [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► catch somewhere pokemon while [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► all seeing some pretty incredible [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► hashtag science this weekend the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► museum's pokey stops will have a hashtag [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► learning modules planted to attract wild [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► hashtag pokemon while our exhibits are [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► filled with old with Jana so I'm [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► supposed to say the Museum of Science [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► Museum Virginia had taken it upon [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► themselves to install lawyers in the [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► pokey stops that are probably one or [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► more focused stops that's at the science [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► museum to try to attract people to come [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► visit which I thought was really [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► interesting and then may not park which [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► is a park also here in richmond and [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► that's actually where where Aaron and I [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► got engaged [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► pokemon go catch them all at me months [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► and there's a cage clearly photoshopped [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► picture of of a family looking at one of [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► the pokemon pokeyman pokeyman etc [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► whatever its called [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► anyway the point being they did an [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► after-hours exclusive event where for [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► ten dollars a person you can go to [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► maymont park which is beautiful and it's [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► free generally but it's absolutely worth [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► going to [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► yeah lots of join us for an exclusive [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► after-hours pokemon go event as we [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► activate lures in the app and explore [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the grounds in search of mysterious [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► creatures that only come out at night [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► $10 a person five if you remember adults [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► must accompany children ages 15 and [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► under the tickets are limited to the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► first 300 register registrants oh [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► actually that's happening a week from [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► tomorrow as it turns out so I just [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► thought that this was really interesting [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► that these local businesses and guilt [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► museums and parks which I don't have the [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► perception of being slightly starting to [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► me even the science museum i got on this [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► bandwagon of getting people to spend [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► actual money playing this game but the [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► money they're spending isn't on the game [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► it's with these venues I just I thought [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► it was really really clever idea and not [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► unique to Richmond but it it just popped [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► up on my radar because these are local [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► places i thought it was cool [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► what do you think the chances are that [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► the games servers will actually hold you [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► know number one hold up in that area and [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► number two work properly so like [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► everybody would actually see the Lord's [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► and everything [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► a week from now who knows right now the [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► the frustration of my household of the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► servers are always down like my wife and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► children have taken up the game either [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► and what do you think having been in the [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► proximity of the game now every time I [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► went on walks with them i use my stone [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► to to catch some for her she's into it [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► they're into its good excuse to walk [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► around in fact I think they're probably [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► still out now even though it's like dark [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► because the servers were down there were [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► we're gonna go on a walk to catch [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► program but the servers have been out [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► until very recently tonight so they're [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► basically down anytime you want to do it [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► hey everyone's home from work and kids [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► are home from camp or whatever let's go [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► hunting for pokemon and that's exactly [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► when the servers are down and I guess [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► enough kids went to bed the server [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► backup anyway it's frustrating the most [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► heartwarming story i read about pokemon [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► which is on the internet so must be true [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► is that an animal shelter had a posting [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that says basically if you if you want [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► to play pokemon but you're embarrassed [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► to let people see you playing which he [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► shouldn't be but you know if you're [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► embarrassed if you love you playing [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► pokemon come to our dog shelter and four [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► five dollars an hour you can rent one of [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► our dogs and walk it haha don't look [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► like you're walking a dog when really [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► you're hunting for pokemon so here are [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► the results of this they now have a [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► waiting list of people who want to pay [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► for the privilege of walking a dog they [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► made so much money on rental fees for [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the dogs that they've waived the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► adoption fees when people running dogs [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► are out walking they post pictures of [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► themselves playing the game on facebook [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► instagram people are then coming to the [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► shelter asking to adopt the specific [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► dogs they saw in the pictures of these [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► two occasions people have called the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Challenger and said hey I didn't think I [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► really wanted a dog but me and this dog [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► get along really well so i'm not [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► bringing him back and the shelter [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► currently has no dogs available to rent [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► and there's a waiting list all the dogs [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► have been adopted they're bringing in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► new york some other shelters [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that's amazing that's great if even if [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► even if that's only half true that's [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► still great and I hope it's all true [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► yeah I completely great like the idea at [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► the best part of that again if it's true [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► as a kid instead of paying people to [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► like the shelters like we have all these [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► dogs and we don't have enough staff [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► members to walk that way we get people [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► come back to walk through the reversing [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► the cash flow come to us pay us to walk [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► our dog it's like that usually like [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► begging for volunteers to come do it for [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► free right and that all the dogs get [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► adopted away because of the magic of [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► social media that the dog pad his dog [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► shelters empty have to pull from other [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► dog shelter was also like you know so [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► often people come up with the idea or [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► wouldn't be great if you could rent [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► puppies [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► hubby rental is a really cool sounding [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► idea for about four seconds until you [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► think about the reality of what that [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► doesn't actually be like if you're like [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► oh that's horrible but grown dog rental [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► from like a shelter where these dogs [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► have nobody else and really need people [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► that flips it around completely like [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► that's that takes this great sounding [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► for a second but ultimately terrible [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► idea and make him something endearing [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► and and positive and overall pleasant I [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► I honestly really hope it was real [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► yeah I I have my doubts but i really [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► hope it's real you know what those are [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► those are free to play dogs see things [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► that they don't because they're like you [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► know what I really like this dog i want [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► to adopt and then you essentially done [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► in app purchase for you know a dozen [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► years of paying for vet bills and dog [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► food and all the other things you have [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► to pay for you just it's free-to-play is [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► free to walk the dog but it's a trap [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► because they know based on human nature [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► the dogs are adorable and people are [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► gonna fall in love with them and then [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► they get the big bucks [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► yeah the final the final delightful [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► things that apparently this this bubble [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► has boosted nintendo stock price so much [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► that their market cap is now bigger than [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► sony its business so I i do wonder do [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► you guys think that Pokemon go is [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► actually going to still be relevant even [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► in a week you know again you know it [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► basically to what degree do you think [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► this is just like a big spike fall by a [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► big crashes just fat or do you think [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► it's gonna actually stick around as like [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► a game people play for for a pretty long [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► time how's my question last week was [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► like that new trainers because Pokemon [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► has always been popular every time your [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► pokémon game comes out all the people [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► who are rabid Pokemon fans who buy every [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► single game by it the question is how [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► many more of those people does this make [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► because yeah there's going to be a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► dropoff like oh I play this when I was [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► really popular but I wasn't into it [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► enough to become a dedicated fan of the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► franchise so when the next game comes [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► out you see how many of those people [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► come back and i think it it has to add [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► more fans like just because it's got so [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► much exposure to people who've never [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► played pokemon games before it has to [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► add more not sure how much more [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► certainly this spike is an aberration [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► and I don't expect intend to keep every [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► single one of the people who are playing [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► well as long term dedicated players of [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the franchise you know I to put things [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► in perspective it i think its recently [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► as a couple of weeks ago I was visiting [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► with my parents and they were still [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► playing words with friends so I mean [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► these things can be sticky and I think [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► this is going to be at least in part a [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► flash-in-the-pan flash-in-the-pan but i [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► think it given the pokemon yellow bet [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the backstory and and how many people [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► have enjoyed it so much in the past i [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► think it will be a lot stickier than [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► most of these other things like for [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► example draw something which was all [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► this is amazing LOL ok nobody cares [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► yeah right dress up as a higher bar and [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► your parents still playing that same [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► game is not really helping the word for [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► helping zing or whatever unless they're [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► dumping more money into it right the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► whole question for the the games like [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► pokemon is when we come out with the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► inevitable improve sequel will you do [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► that one too and also liked it last week [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► alright have you ever put any money into [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► this is all your money going to rent [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► dogs to walk like where is the money [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► going like obviously there are people [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► who are putting money into this game is [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► going to make money for all the people [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► involved but it's not the money is [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► coming from a small number of people who [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► spend a lot and almost everybody else it [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► seems like you're spending nothing so [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► far no one in my family spent anything [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► yep I just I'm really fascinated by the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► way in which the the real world and the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► you know this this electronic this [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► entertainment world have collided and [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► I've been I mean there's been some [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► crummy stories coming out of it because [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► humans are terrible but I just been I [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► thought it was so need and i still think [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► it's so neat and such an interesting an [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► interesting investigation into how these [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► things kind of come together and and in [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► an interesting case study if you'll [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► permit me to use a terrible business [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► term it's been fascinating to watch so [TS]

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00:18:45 ◼   ► softbank which is a Japanese company are [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► they a cell phone carrier or I don't [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► know much about them they're like a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► holding company i think they do have [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► their telecommunication somebody do have [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► like a cell phone ring [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► okay well regardless they have bought [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► arm 432 billion dollars haven't bought [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► want to buy from the process of trying [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► to buy i think that the deals not yet [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► finalised I what we think about this [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► that this is I'm I'm not so much [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► interested in the details of like are [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► more the history of arm especially you [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► know like that you can read a lot of [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► stories about its origins with the the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Newton and where this whole effort came [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► from and although the business I'm [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► mostly interested in terms of thinking [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► about how Apple implements its famous we [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► want to own and control the major [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► technologies and I for whatever the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► temple quotas like they think they want [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► to control technologies that go into [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► their products right they they do that [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► selectively like they do it according to [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► their own definition so I was thinking [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► of an example they don't own the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► companies that make the really tough [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► class that goes on top of my phones and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► they don't own now corning or whoever [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► makes like the gorilla glass or the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► variance or whatever they don't own [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► foxconn or the companies that assemble [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► their products you would encourage you [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► know are those the core technologies or [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► whatever they specific wording was using [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► that quote i guess not right they do own [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► the operating system they do own like [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► the hardware designs and you know the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► whole like the product and although this [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► stuff but some parts of it they always [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► considered to be like I will pay [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► somebody else do that and it doesn't [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► really matter that much because if we [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► can't get this glass from this company [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► will try to get from this other one of [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► this company will assemble our phones [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► like will pick suppliers against each [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► other like that they end up being just [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► being a supplier so the question for arm [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► arm which makes the doesn't make the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► chips but arm which owns the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► intellectual property to the instruction [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► set and some of the architectural [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► details in many many patents and so on [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► and so forth for the CPUs that are in [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► all of Apple's iOS devices [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► is that just another supplier or is that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► something that Apple need stone and [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► control and the reason that comes up is [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► it as far as I'm aware as we record this [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► this deal is not finalized [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► should Apple be concerned that some [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► company that's not them and there's not [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► whoever you know the current armed [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► people who are running arm is going to [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► buy the company that I feel like another [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► they rely on but that is an integral [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► part of their most important products [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► should they care they're like well [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► whatever you guys do whatever you want [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► as long as you continue to give us the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► ARM architecture license lets us [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► essentially build our building designer [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► on cpu's with your intellectual property [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► its core were fine I don't care really [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► careful loans arm or should they be like [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► someone get the checkbook [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► we've got 32 billion dollars between the [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► couch cushions we should just outbid [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► them I it's hard to say without the the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► details of the deal that they have a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► farm but this is this intellectual [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► property is super super important i mean [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► this is what all the a-series chips run [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► on right so I'm so torn i would say it [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► is not important for them to own arm as [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► long as they have what as close as they [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► can get to an in perpetuity license for [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► whatever IP they currently have [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► I mean there's also like there's if you [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► look at what apple buys and what they [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► don't buy they tend not to buy component [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► manufacturers that also supply the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► entire rest of the computing industry [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► with parts so like they don't by Intel [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► you don't see them buying AMD or nvidia [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► they don't buy like a flash ran [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► manufacturer attempt to buy samsung [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► because half the component come from [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► Samsung like it there are lots of these [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► you know component suppliers that that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► make all sorts of you know parts that go [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► in multiple kinds of computers or phones [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► or whatever else not just apples and [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► apple you know you could make an [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► argument that Apple should maybe by [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► intel or something like that you know as [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► if we ever talk about the mac line up [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► being so stale again this episode [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► because we talk about every episode [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► because the really big problem [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you know you could look at me like maybe [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► Apple should just buy Intel and run that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► company you know in their own interest [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► but you know it [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► there's a reason why they don't have [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► lots of reasons why they don't first of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► all Apple tends to not buy companies at [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► that long [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► George because if they tend not to need [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► to i would imagine they have some kind [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► of deal with the armed license that they [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► have because they have a special license [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► be able to do their own ship designs [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► with that other details of that i will [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► probably hear about it from our readers [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► but basically i would imagine they have [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► ways to not get locked out of that [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► forever say the country needed by armed [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► and if they did ever try to buy one of [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► these companies that also supplies the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► rest of the industry with major [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► important parts like it tell her arm [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► they would probably be regulatory issues [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► with that that would probably not be [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► great for them with the Justice [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Department and with the FTC maybe or [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► whoever does the kind of regulatory [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► management there there be political [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► problems with that there might be you [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► know justice problems and address [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► problems so there's lots of reasons for [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► them not to buy these companies that [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► also supply everybody else with stuff [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► but I think about is not so much who the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► company's supply but could Apple get [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► that same thing from somewhere else and [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► most things I can think of like Intel's [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► I go you can get x86 CPUs anywhere else [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► well you can you get them from AMD it's [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► not a lot of choices but there is at [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► least one other choices out there for [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► flash ram other things like that even [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► the glass stuff you could argue that no [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► one has the specific kind of glad that [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► they want except for corning or whatever [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► but like you can get glass from [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► somewhere else but because what arm [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► supplies arm doesn't make anything with [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► all our supplies is intellectual [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► property as any licensing like they [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► don't you know they license out designs [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► and the right to use this instruction [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► set and all that stuff I don't think you [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► can get that anywhere else there is no [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► alternate supplier for that so if for [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► example softbank buys arm and slowly [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► transitions to company away i'm not [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► they're going to this but like decides [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► that they're you know arm is going to [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► become a company that does augmented [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► reality games you collect monsters but [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► it seems like a more lucrative future [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► Apple can't but I don't think Apple the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► matter what contracts they have the best [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► they could hope for is like you can [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► continue to make chips [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► according to the designs of already [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► licensed but there will be no new [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► designs and by the way you can make your [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► own designs without licensing these [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► patents from us or without otherwise [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► buying the intellectual property that [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► underlies that like because of the weird [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► accident of history that x86 and [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► AMD being able to make XXX compatible [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► chips I don't think there's any [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► equipment that are matter i'm sure [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► people will send it in a sentence under [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► the corrections that was not the case [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► month follow-up on the next show but I i [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► keep thinking about it in terms of uh is [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► there an alternate supplier like how how [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► important is armed apple and what are [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► there alternatives if something weird [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► starts to happen there and i also think [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► about this and speaking of Max a lot of [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► questions we've gotten about this with [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the arm feels like does this make it [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► more or less likely that our max you're [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► gonna come out w seems like it'd do any [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► announcements indicate our max why [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► haven't we already see marmax and me [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► thinking about our maximum for a while [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► gonna and I i thought--like x86 max [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► worst-case scenario you have to [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► suppliers that you could convince to [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► make you x86 CPUs i'm good i guess if [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► you have enough money and things [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► possibly like all right well someone [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► will license us the ability to make our [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► own arm check some of the license is the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► ability to make your own excesses like [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► we'll just buy the intellectual property [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► like we're never stuck because huge [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► problems of money as a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► get-out-of-jail-free card so it doesn't [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► really matter what happens over there [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► until there are problems don't worry [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► about it but like for the arm max Mike [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► is it the Apple spends a lot of money [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► making the a you know I'm gonna say X [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► whatever the the a followed by a digit [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► system-on-a-chip things that are in all [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► their devices they hired a lot of people [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► they bought a lot of companies they do a [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► lot of work on their own their chips are [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► not like oh well just like since a [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► design from from arm and pay someone to [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► manufacture they do their own chip [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► design their own integration it's very [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► expensive very complicated it's a part [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► of apples competitive advantage is the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► mac line which were about to talk about [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the the ongoing stagnation is the mac [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► line worth doing an equal or possibly [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► even greater investment in chip design [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► to essentially do what intel and AMD [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► Nvidia or you know all the parts that [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► make up the parts that go into a mac [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► they're not simple parts they're [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► complicated their higher performance [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► things that go into phones they are [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► generally bigger they have more [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► transistors if you are going to sign up [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► today we're going to our max we can only [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► control the CPUs to go into them and we [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► can make them just the way [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► you want them that is a big investment [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► probably equal to the investment they're [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► putting into the the iphone [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► system-on-chips for a line of business [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► that is nowhere near the size of the iOS [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► line so maybe the thing that's keeping [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► our max away is not that apple would [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► like to get away from Intel it was doing [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► their products and it's kind of annoying [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► but just because it would cost so much [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► money for Apple to make a like we spent [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► a lot of that was talking about [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► can Apple make a an ARM chip is [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► competitive intel yeah maybe but i will [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► cost a lot of money [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► it's not easy to do that what Intel does [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► is not simple and i'm not quite sure [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► that Apple thinks the mac harbor line is [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► worth it is worth the investment and [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► even you could also argue that like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► things with intel aren't bad enough yet [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► you know like and yet but this is gonna [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► leave it to our next topic a lot but you [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► know you need it in order for for app [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► for Apple to switch from powerpc to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► Intel things have to get pretty bad with [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► our pc for a while and Intel hat was way [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► better like it there had to be this [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► massive Delta between the status quo of [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► them using powerpc and being you know [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► really having up having a problematic [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► roadmap and pretty bad neglect and [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► becoming very much uncompetitive with [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► the other side and have any other side [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► being intel on be really compelling and [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► have very few downsides to switching to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► it and just these massive upsides and I [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► think right now if you look at like you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► know what they have with intel versus [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► what a possible future with our max [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► would be I don't think the Delta between [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► those two is nearly as large as he used [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► to be you know between between tyrosine [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► until the Delta now is like well in tell [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► ya Intel is really slow to make new [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► chips but their chips that they do [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► release mostly are really good like they [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► get their occasional problems but for [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► the most part like they are very [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► competitive that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► why apple doesn't use AMD CPUs as you [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► know they could use whatever ABC even [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► called these data they stopped on stuff [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► for I don't even know anyway what you [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► know AMD CPUs aren't very competitive [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► with intel cpus and haven't been for [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► some time and in most markets that apple [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► would ship computers and intel cpus are [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► just really good yeah there they have [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► dramatically slowed down their rate of [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► improvement and new releases and all [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► these releases getting delayed and [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► but they still use them because for the [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► most part they're really good and it's [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► using all these proven platforms Johnson [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► like all the parts that go into a full [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► computer i mean yet they do they do some [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► degree of it on the phones on the a [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► serious system-on-chips there but like [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► computers have all these different ports [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► and standards they have to do and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► everything on a phone apple can't delete [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► ports fast enough [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► like there's a yeah we started out with [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► two we're gonna have one now like a and [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► it'll be ours we designed like no [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► computers have like four USB ports and [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► have all these video out standards and [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► all this like computers have to have a [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► most computers i guess the macbook one [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► doesn't but here most computers you have [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► to have all these standards of the [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► community is used after all these like [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► you know disc interfaces and i/o [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► interfaces and now you know all this [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► stuff that you don't really have to [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► think about much when you're just [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► designing iphones and ipads because they [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► don't use them but they don't need to [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► interoperate with up with most of these [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► devices so there's all this stuff that [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► like a computer needs and all this [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► competitiveness that Intel offers that [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you know the difference between intel [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► now having a slow release cycle but [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► providing quite a lot when they do [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► finally release it versus what you have [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► to do to build up an entire computer [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► line using arm CPUs you know the amount [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► of work on the other side is so [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► tremendous and the game probably [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► wouldn't be that big [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► yeah and on top of that I feel like [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► Apple and Intel have a at least an ok [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► relationship right because it wasn't [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► that long ago that that I think it was [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► the first macbook air Intel created like [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► this completely one-off chip with the [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► cpu for the macbook air my crazy [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► thinking that do you remember this well [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► it it was a one-off packaging it they [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► didn't like create a whole custom chip [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► design but they created a custom socket [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► and like package for the chip to get [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► them to make the whole socket small sure [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► I still counted my point is just that [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► they were able to ask intel or four [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► tellin tell whatever the situation may [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► be hey we need this thing completely [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► custom to us we're cool right you can [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► and turns out they're cool you know with [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► it until did it and everyone was happy [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► except the people who bought the macbook [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► air because was a total turd hi mark [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► it i don't know I i think this what it [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► did the question is as we've been [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► dancing around is this Hardware [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► stagnation that we really need to talk [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► about again because we do need to talk [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► about it is this Hardware stagnation [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► really entails fault or is it apple's [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► fault before we move on to that I'm a [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► few more points on our vs intel like [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► we've talked before about like the the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► from delta and how anything big enough [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► to be worthwhile and then in past [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► conversations also brought this point [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► will bring up again which is really it's [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► not about the performance Delta the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► reason Apple be doing it because it is [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► before mr. increased control so i think [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► the real question to ask other than the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► cost thing which I just brought up for [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► our vs intel is how much more control [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► does moving max arm give Apple then [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► you're currently as we can tell in this [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► case you just pointed out it's a pretty [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► high bar because it's like well of Apple [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► did their own ships they can control [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► everything they will control the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► schedule they control the features they [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► control everything they possibly do but [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► it seemed like for the past many years [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► Apple controls an awful lot about what [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► Intel does in terms of I don't know [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► forcing the but really strongly [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► suggesting that they improve the [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► embedded gpus in there cpus and making [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like this this whole a line of products [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the ones that apple pies with the iris [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► graphics and everything that whole [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► product line just smells like apple [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► saying Intel for the next several [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► generations of chips here's what we want [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► out of your chips and then Intel [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► essentially doing it because Apple is I [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► would imagine the biggest and some cases [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► perhaps the only customer for these [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► weird chips because bought the cheaper [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► x86 windows laptop type things or [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► whatever just like well maybe we'll have [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► a top-of-the-line thing but our bread [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► and butter will be those [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► middle-of-the-road one so just another [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► reason that plastic wait a lot so [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► certainly Apple would have more control [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► with arm but it would cost them a ton of [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► money to make our trips to the mac and [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Intel thus far seems pretty willing to [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► do essentially whatever Apple wants with [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► the chips it's just a question of [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► delivery and apple could say well the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► increased control would have even though [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► Intel's pretty nice to us and have a [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► good relationship and they're pretty [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► much willing to do the kinds of things [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► we ask for they take a long time and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► sometimes they screw up and we looked [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► like if we did it ourselves we would do [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► a better job and the second aspect of [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► this is like [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► for the performance Delta and waiting [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► for things to happen to catch up another [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► possible strategy and possibly mention [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► our past shows is you don't have to [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► worry about it costing so much money to [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► make an ARM chip for your mac all you [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► got to do is wait until the ipad pro is [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► faster than all the existing max and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► then just use that chip that you've [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► already made for your bread-and-butter [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► iOS devices use that in max too because [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► at that point like it if those lines of [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► across and it's like well yeah and and [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► they're getting close like the top and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► ipad pro and the bottom end the macbook [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► we're going to look at those numbers in [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the past like and eventually if things [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► if the rate of change keeps going the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► way they are and you know that the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► system and chips that are in iOS devices [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► keep adding more power with a similar [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► power envelope assuming battery [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► technology is only increasing like five [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► or ten percent per year or whatever and [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► that the mac ones are like there-there [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► rate of performance increase is not [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► going up that fast those lines can end [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► up crossing and like all finally we [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► don't have to do some weird extra [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► investment to end up with armed ships [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► that we can use in our laptop max we [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► already do that investment for our [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► phones and iPads and whatever it is that [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► kind of the same way the ipads have [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► these ships like the only reason they [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► have those chips is because they need [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► them for the phones is certainly on the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► ipad is not human [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► iphone kind of money so that the rising [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► tide of the iphones like anything [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► developed for the iphone that is [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► possibly useful elsewhere even if [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► slightly modified you get a lot of bang [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► for the buck by reusing that huge [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► investment we're also sponsor tonight by [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► tracker tracker makes losing things a [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► thing of the past go to the tracker com [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► right now and use code ATP thirty [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► percent off your entire order so the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► tracker is or just tracker is this [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► little like disc thing and I it when I [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► saw these things i was amazed how small [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► it is it's a little coin-sized device [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► and you can attach it to keys wallets [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► bags computers anything any kind of [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► object that you might lose around the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► house often you can just attach it to it [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you connected to your smartphone and [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► then you can find the location of the [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► object that you attach the track or two [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► with the tap of a button on the phone [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► it's very very easy and it goes the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► other way too [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► if you find the tracker object and you [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► can't find your phone you can push the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► button on the tracker and your phone [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► will make a noise to let you find it [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► even if your phones on silent now this [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► is a really cool device you will never [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► lose anything again you can attach the [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► tracker to so many different objects you [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► know keys and wallets are like the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► obvious one [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► you know bad computers you lose your [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► your your backpack or briefcase or [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► whatever that you need to turn around [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► the door there are so many reasons to [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► have this or if you misplace your phone [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► all the time you don't want to have an [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► Apple watch you know you have to have a [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► tracker in the house and just hit the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► button your phone beeps so easy they [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► sold over 1.5 million of these things so [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► far they have the largest crowd gps [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► network in the world you're lost [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► I didn't even show up on a map even if [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► it's miles away so never lose anything [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► again with trackir the hardest thing I [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► have to find is really just their [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► website once you find the website [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► everything else is fine because the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► website is the tracker dot com using the [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► product called tracker good thing is you [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► can spell tracker either way the product [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► name does not have the e because it's [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► cool and it's on the internet but if you [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► spell it with the ear without the E in [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► tracker either way the domain works to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► go to the tracker that's th e tracker [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► dot com enter promo code ATP for thirty [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► percent off your entire order once [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► against the tracker com right now enter [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► promo code ATP for thirty percent off [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► your order [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► thanks a lot to tracker for sponsoring [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► our show never lose anything again so [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► macrumors has a really lovely buyers [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► guide where they go through the hardware [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► in all the different hardware lines [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► product lines and they say hey you [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► probably shouldn't get this right now [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► because they're probably gonna really [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► apples probably release a new one soon [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► and so you know coming up on the fall as [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► we are the iphone four examples labels [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► caution the ipad pro neutral yeah it's [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► probably okay we should clarify this is [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► based on actual like data from past [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► generations problem isn't that the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► macrumors buying guide has been running [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► its you know how like you know in [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► whatever like that the biggest like [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► well-known oldest steak restaurant in [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► your town and people say that place is [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► an institution [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► the macrumors buying guide is an [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► institution in like the mac nerdery I'm [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► sorry alright noobs alright alright [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► grandma and yes that would like to [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► correct anything about mac in touch okay [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► now and so this is this is based on you [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► know just like they look at how often [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► these products are updated and so they [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► know okay well then the macbook pro se [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► is updated on average every you know 400 [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► days or whatever it is like they they [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► look back in history into and they know [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► for every product line [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► what is the average interval between [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► updates and that's that's how they can [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► tell you with an you know reasonable [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► degree of approximate so you know the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► approximate sure to you that like okay [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► well did you know the Mac the Mac Mini [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► is usually updated every what's it like [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► 800 takes or whatever I don't know what [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the average for the mac mini and and [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► it's been seven hundred days since the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► last one so you probably shouldn't buy [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► one now it's that kind of thing [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► yep the average for the mac mini 438 [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► days we are currently running at 643 [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► haha yeah that's lower than i would've [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► guessed honestly also this this wet this [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► web site this web page by the way which [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► I encourage everyone to go to only put [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► it in the notes must be the most [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► infuriating webpage like Apple [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► executives and probably still shoulder [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and particularly like because the at the [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► top of this page [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► especially when you hit like the maktab [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► which will give you the link to it shows [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► the picture all apples current mac [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► products the name of them and underneath [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► it like you said they have these things [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► like oh you should buy neutral don't buy [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► and the mac thing that shows their [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► products right next to the red button [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► say don't buy don't buy don't buy this [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► is exactly the opposite message that [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► wants anywhere that all its products are [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► raid in a big line with the red things [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► that say don't buy can you imagine a [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► more sort of like this really upsetting [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► webpage to people whose job it is to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► sell macs and I guess you got the green [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► one on the macbook this has by now but [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► it's just it's such a weird thing to see [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► apples product photography next week [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► huge red buttons don't buy it's harsh [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► but harsh but fair [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► it's a good time for the backbone so [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► there's that [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► yeah this is really sad so everything [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► they everything except the macbook one [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► the air the pro the macbook pro the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► retina MacBook [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► pro kinda forgot there's a distinction [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► there the imac the mac mini the mac pro [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► huh thats 945 days since the last [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► release December 2013 how you guys were [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► so excited [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► remember those days anyway all of this [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► is don't buy and its getting it [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► I know it's getting a little bit [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► ridiculous right on the one side it [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► why does one need a brand-new computer [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► like let's suppose that the CPU was [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► modern which it's not really these days [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► but I mean the industrial design it's [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► this unibody setup has been around for a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► few years like Stephen Hackett some [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► video review of the kind of history of [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► modern apple laptops goes through this [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► and you know they don't look that [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► different than they have ever used to do [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► they know upgraded the internals made a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► little thinner you know improved battery [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► life actually wouldn't wouldn't be nice [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► to get that on the iOS side but you know [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► what do you really need from a brand-new [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► computer like if it wasn't for the fact [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► these chips are all getting a little bit [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► long in the tooth [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► I don't think this would be that [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► egregious I'm not looking for a brand [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► new form factor in in my work macbook [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► pro now remind me that when they do [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► something amazing and I must have it but [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► only two months exactly but but I tell [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► you what man this this is sad times and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► it's just it's gotten to the point i [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► mean looking at these numbers 281 days [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► for her and 28 days for 99 days 643 days [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► 945 days with you were measuring years [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► it's unreal like what are they doing how [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► is this okay you know to some degree [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► this isn't just like Santa Claus like [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► you know Santa Apple we we just deserve [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► new things because it's time there has [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► to be something that they update the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► internals to like you know that and so [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► you have to again look at the supply [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► chain look at Intel especially because [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► that's that's where a lot of this is [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► based you say alright well is there [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► something else that they could be [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► updating to that they're just not like [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► apple doesn't just arbitrarily decide [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► you know what next month we're going to [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► give them a macbook pro update you know [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► like it's based on the schedules of the [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► components that go into it and what they [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► what they could update the components to [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► in recent years intel has had a lot of [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► problems and delays [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► getting there getting a new stuff out [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► and so much this is based on that and we [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► talked about this before so I'm gonna [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► try to repeat too much ground here so a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► lot of these things are just the news [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► until chips are what's holding this up [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► and they aren't available yet or not [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► available in quantity yet or the ones [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that apple would use aren't available [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► even though the rest of the family might [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► be and that's the case with a lot of [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► these the products that tend to sell in [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► very high volumes the new macbook the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► retina macbook pro and the imac tend to [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► be kept up-to-date fairly responsibly if [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► intel has released a new generation of [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► cpus that is the the appropriate size [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► and cost and and heat and power needs [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► for the certain lines Apple tends to [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► update to the men a reasonable amount of [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► time so you know if you're buying like [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► an imac I mean the imac has not been [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► neglected developing a magazine has [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► really been very solidly updated i think [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► for a long time now it's like it's been [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► pretty competitive the macbook pro [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► usually has been we've had some problems [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► recently but usually has been and again [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► those problems are often tells fault [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► where it really becomes a problem is [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► when Apple gets neglectful of of the [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► lines there are more specialized that [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that presumably don't sound very high [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► volumes and that's things like the mac [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► mini and the mac pro and it also becomes [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► a problem on the lines that Apple is [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► kind of slowly phasing out because [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► they've made better lines that includes [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► things like the macbook air and the non [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► retina macbook pro in these kind of [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► areas apple doesn't use every generation [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► of new stuff that becomes available from [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► Intel this is what I think frustrates a [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► lot of people his Liz you know in the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► case of the mac pro which is one of the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► more egregious degrees examples of this [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► news eons that are appropriate for use [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► in the mac pro only come out about every [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► 18 months [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► the problem comes that if Apple decides [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► to skip a generation of those if a new [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► generation of Zeon's comes out an apple [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► aside for whatever reason you know that [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► it's not worth updating the mac pro to [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► disney generation [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► not only is it probably already been [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► like 18 months since the last update but [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► now they're they're signed themselves up [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► for another 18 months with no update [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► basically and it could be longer if [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► there's any delay until side which again [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► has been happening with increasing [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► frequency in recent years when they [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► choose to just say you know it's not [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► worth up to this [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that is really a position of of hubris [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► and and of arrogance and neglect of [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► these products and that is what [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► irritates me about it you know if intel [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► has a problem and it holds up the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► release of something that has the last [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► generation ships in it like the imac it [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► doesn't bother me as much because I know [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► it's not really apple's fault but when [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it comes to things like the mac mini the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► mac pro where Apple could be updating [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► these things they're there were chips [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► they could have used and they just skip [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► them because they just don't care that [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► is infuriating and it really shows a [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► level of disdain for your customers [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► it takes a certain degree of [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► shamelessness and of arrogance and [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► hubris to be still selling the same mac [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► pro today if you walk into the apple [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► store he can still buy the same mac pro [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► today that you could order in December [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► of 2013 [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the price is exactly the same the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► configurations are exactly the same [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► there have been no new options for this [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► this computer that you said we're you [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► know we're betting the future on high [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► GPU power and then we're not going to [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► update the GPUs for three years or make [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► them upgradeable aftermarket you finally [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► got to my pet issues and all there's no [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► new cpus who cares about the cpu there [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► are new GPU is every single year there [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► are new GPU so if you make you're like [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► well we would update but there's no new [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► Intel CPUs first of all you can upgrade [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► to a higher clock speed 00 CPU designs [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► maybe it's easier to get the guns that [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► have been for our class being second of [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► all every year you almost every year you [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► can upgrade gpus but that doesn't even [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► count like it's not even a consideration [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► and I'd like you're right it's the most [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► absurd on the GPU festooned mac pro [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► machine right now i think it's also [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► absurd on just every other line of [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► computers like even if there is [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► absolutely no new cpu either lower the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► price for putting a GPU and it or update [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► the chipset trim you know in the olden [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► days USB two three or 330 point 14 like [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► there are things that you can do I mean [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► if you want to see the things that you [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► do who what can you do it updated [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► computer that offer just look at every [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► single pc manufacturer they always find [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► some way to bump the specs little by [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► little I'm not saying Apple should do it [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► like what del does [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► but the idea that there's nothing you [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► can improve the hardware evangelism [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► released a brand new CPU design either a [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► shrink or a new architecture i don't i [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► don't even buy that but I'm willing to [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► say I'm willing to accept that Kayden's [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► if the cpu cadence is reasonable but [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► wants to see you can start going on 18 [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► months like i said but then [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► pro don't not only should you not skip [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► generations you shouldn't even wait for [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► the next generation to give it pumps [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► exactly and you know especially for [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► again like for a machine we're going to [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► say this is all about GPU power and [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► you're going to design it to always have [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► two gpus you aren't even going to allow [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► people to buy one GPU and you're gonna [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► put in these kind of like half covered [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► asterisks workstation class GPUs on them [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► you know that and then to not get the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► GPUs for three years and still be [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► supporting the same price and not like [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► them upgradeable like if you're really [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► going to say the mac pro is all about [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► GPU power they have to be upgradeable [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► aftermarket period and if for some [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► reason you really insist on making them [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► not upgradeable you have to be updating [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► them on a regular basis every night at [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► 12 months like there has to be a GPU [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► because that's what competitive energy [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► in the GPU world and for that not to be [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► happening in the mac pro you know Phil [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► Schiller start there and told us about [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► his ass innovation and innovate anymore [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► my ass now there's been nothing it's [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► embarrassing and it really again like I [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► can't understate like how much this it [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► looks like Apple just giving the middle [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► finger to its customers on this on these [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► things if your mac pro buyer if you're a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► mac mini buyer if your macbook air buyer [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► apple is giving us the giant finger on [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► these things for the last few years and [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► the mac mini is I mean as i mentioned [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► last bit like the mac mini is also [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► especially bad because the previous [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► update which itself was very late in [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► many ways made the product worse so like [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► if you actually measure by days since [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► the mac mini has gotten universally [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► better its much locker number but you [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► know it really is a problem here and and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► John I think you're right they have to [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► find ways that they can update the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► computers without waiting for Intel if [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► they're going to be skipping generations [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► and honestly they have to just stop [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► skipping generations because you know [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► the mac mini you know [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► yeah it's a low and computer for them [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► but it isn't alone computer for the [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► people who buy it it's like a thousand [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► dollars at least 44 well-configured one [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► generally for buying the mac mini unless [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► you have some kind of like special you [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► know rule for like buying it to be a [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► server or something else but if you're [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► buying it to be your mac that is a low [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► and Mac you're probably buying it [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► because you can't because you need that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► value you know that the money [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► matters a lot to you and your kind of [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► stretching to buy it to have the [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► customer experience of wanting to get [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► into a mac and just barely being able to [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► afford one and choose and having to [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► choose a magnet near one of the many for [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► your needs and then to have this this [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► like neglected insulting machine be the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► one that apple will sell you that is not [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► a way to get more people to buy max that [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► is not a way to get people to be happy [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► but by Mac that's going to hurt customer [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► set Tim's wonderful customer set [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► it's just it's an it's a position of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► arrogance that plays into all the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► negative stereotypes about Apple the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► people have had since the nineties that [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► we keep trying to convince the world as [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► mac owners no it's not like that these [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► really are great computers the great [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► values and overpriced apples are helping [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► us at all here because they're showing [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► this incredible neglect and some of [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► these ancient computers that they could [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► have updated like I'm not talking about [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the ones where the way to an intel talk [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► about the ones that they skip [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► generations forever [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► they just they have to stop skipping the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► generations for every product line [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► because you know what if it isn't worth [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► updating the mac pro for a xeon [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► generation that comes out every 18 [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► months [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► this is like a 3000 + dollar computer if [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► it isn't worth updating that the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► discontinued thing you know it don't [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► don't even don't sell computers that you [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that you are not willing to maintain to [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► a basic level of maintenance here that [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► is just insulting and by the way one [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► more quick thing before I forget [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► right now there's a whole bunch of very [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► high-end buyers that are building [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► high-end computers with lots of GPU [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► power because they want to use vr when [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► was the last time that people really [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► wanted to buy in large numbers very [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► high-end desktop computers lots of GPU [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► power [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► I mean yes there's always been pc gamers [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► but that's always been a pretty you know [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► pretty narrow market relative to the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► entire you know pc market as a whole [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► right now there is a surge of people who [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► want to buy high-end desktop class [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► hardware and big GPUs and apple is [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► completely missing out on this some of [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► those people might have bought mac pro [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► so they're competitive but they're not [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► apples totally missing out on this wave [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► people buying high and stuff and yeah [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► their numbers might not be very big but [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► they're very very profitable this market [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► is extremely profitable [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► an apple just completely blowing it they [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► have blown this opportunity that only [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► comes around maybe every 10 years or [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► there's a lot of people who actually [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► need high-end hardware you know for [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► years we keep saying like oh well you [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► know I i can get away just fine with [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► with my four-year-old you know 13-inch [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► macbook pro because most people most [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► needs on your computer pretty basic [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► these days with me with modern hardware [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► vr need every bit of power can get and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► again these opportunities don't come [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► very often in the market where people [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► actually need high-end hardware and are [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► willing to buy it and in in substantial [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► numbers and apple just missed it because [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► they just don't care and that's really [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► unfortunate and it pains me as a fan of [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► this company as a fan of high-end [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► hardware it really pains me to see the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► level of neglect and arrogance hear that [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► Apple has shown its pro customers and [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► all its customers honestly so let's [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► assume for a second i know you've talked [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► a lot about how a lot of these are not [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► Intel's faults and i agree with you [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► there but let's assume for a second that [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► some of these are well don't you think [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► it will let me change that how i phrase [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► that isn't there a way that Apple could [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► kind of hint subversively could kind of [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► you do one of their people familiar with [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► the matter told the Wall Street Journal [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that this is all Intel's fault like why [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► has a wise an apple someway somehow [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► blame didn't tell for this even quietly [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► if that makes any sense [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► that's not something that Apple does [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► it's not an apple move in general like [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► they have problems with suppliers which [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► they have all the time they find [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► alternate suppliers but they don't think [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw this applies under the [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► bus they don't even want to know the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► supplies existing yes we all know Intel [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► exist but I if it was Steve Jobs maybe [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► and especially if they had a new [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► supplier lined up like as soon as in [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► they switched Intel then it was all [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► about throw powerpc IBM under the bus [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► but right up until that point it was [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► like IBM g5 everything is great and [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► you know they're gonna have it in three [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► guards and and 12 months or whatever [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► that promise was that he made on stage [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► never happened [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► I don't know I really don't think it's [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► that an apple style move to to shift the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► blame apple accepts responsibility of [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► like they're they're the ones that [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► control their product lines they're not [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► going to blame the manufacturer even [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► like member whatever that courts plants [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► was that was supposed to make them [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► courts things for some reason and that [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► whole thing imploded and went bankrupt [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► or whatever [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► sfr your sapphire whatever they dig it's [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that happened and we know about it [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► because it was public news but it's not [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► as if Apple is putting out print this is [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► not an apple move to put out a press [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► release that blames other companies for [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► apples failure to deliver its products [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► the closest you'll get is you know [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► thoughts on flash where it's like well [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► we ship products like this isn't [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► stopping us from shipping product or [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► changing our products we think this [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► technology is crappy for everybody we [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► got the closest I've seen in the modern [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► you know Apple era but i also like you [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► know Apple is not going to want to admit [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► any kind of public way even if it's [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► through unofficial channels like that [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► they're not going to even suggest the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► possibility that the mac line is old and [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► stale and it's a problem yeah there's no [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► they don't have those status bars on [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► their website that has and like that's [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► the word like we know like it's a smart [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► move it's an apple move to not drop the [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► price your products because all about [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► perceived value [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► ah not dragging the prospects for the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► whole year [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► that's what separates you know apple [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► from dell I dealt with that they're [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► making the same thing and there are [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► costs of good savings they will lower [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► the price to get more enterprise sales [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► and whatever blood Apple walk right not [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► dropping the price for free year three [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► years like who are you kidding now like [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► that's that stops being we're preserving [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► value that starts being just like Marco [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► said punitive to your customers and [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► you're not fooling anybody [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► no one who knows anything thanks that [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► 2013 mac pro that they're still selling [TS]