The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► to go back to your car analogy that's [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► terrible gonna cut it [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► well no but you gotta I was gonna say [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► bad things about your analogy and I just [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► gonna edit out of existence [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► yeah I always ended at jokes don't land [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► that's the past the privilege of being [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► the editor right so we should start with [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► some follow-up as always there are [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► approximately seven hackintosh users and [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► on the planet and every single one of [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► them is written us to tell us how it's [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► possible to get everything to work [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► asterisk dagger double dagger double [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► asterisk got some people also writing in [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► saying oh I've had you know all your [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► worries are founded i have a hackintosh [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► and I ran into all the problems you [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► described it's kind of a pain brother [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► people like a lot of pain at all i got [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► everything to work is going to follow [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► right guides and do the right things and [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► flash the right stuff and wait for the [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► drivers to be updated with each update [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► and it's not a problem moving these are [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► two sets of people describing the exact [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► same situation is generated from one [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► person's perspective all you just do [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► this series of steps and everything is [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► fine and the other person's perspective [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► all you got to do these series of steps [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► before everything is fine like it's the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► same situation right just all depends on [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► how you look at it and if it's something [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► you enjoy doing or something you would [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► find a hassle if we could kind of pick a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► theme of what we heard we were pretty [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► much correct about the trade-offs about [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► it is a pain sometimes for most people [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► how much of a painting that being for [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► you depends a lot on your component [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► choices and that if you follow these [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► guides and if you choose like exactly [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► the components they say if you don't [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► have like special needs and requirements [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► so that I have to make this other Wi-Fi [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► card work because that's the 1i have or [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► whatever else like if you're willing to [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► buy exactly there are components you're [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► gonna find all new components to do this [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► it's probably a lot easier and you'll [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► have an easier time with it but if [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► you're trying to get it running on [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► components you already had for other [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► reasons you might have a hard time I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► think that's pretty good summary [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► actually Charles Perry wrote in and he [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► had said hey you know you guys joked [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► about apple store employees not knowing [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► about the mac mini that actually [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► happened to me in summer 2015 i was at [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► the apple store and I told the sales [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► person that I wanted to buy a mac mini [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and I got a blank stare and reply the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► salesperson had never heard of it for [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► real [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► so that is the thing that has actually [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that's awesome i always wonder about the [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► training they get like I thought every [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► apples above it used to do it like they [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► would fly off to cupertino and give you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► this whole training course and I could [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► be briefed on Apple's entire line and [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► it's a type of thing where you're not [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► gonna remember everything they tell you [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► they're gonna fill your head with a [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► bunch of information and especially if [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► you're new to a ball you you can't [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► remember all the details but i would [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► think that for getting an entire line of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► computers exist especially when apple's [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► mac product line doesn't contain that [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► many products in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► things would be think that wouldn't [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► happen so I think they must have dropped [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► their training a little bit for the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► floor staff for the salespeople well i [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► mean this is this is what happens with [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► every retail place you know like the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► Apple stores are really big there's lots [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of them and they have to hire lots of [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► staff from what we've heard rumblings of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► here and there it seems like maybe they [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► don't pay as well as they used to or [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► whatever reason they have a hard time [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► you know attracting an indoor training [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► high quality staff consistently to end [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► up getting like yes there are some [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► people there who really know their stuff [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► but a lot of them don't because that's [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► just the reality of hiring a massive [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► retail staff these days indeed all right [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► we should also talk about the crazy [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► weird mouse that I believe John had [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► brought up last episode [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► yeah i think it was called the iso point [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► track bar from outbound back from the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► eighties well this design apparently [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► lives on probably because they bought [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the patents for it or the patents [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► expired because it was so long ago in [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► contour designs roller mouse which is [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the thing that you can buy for your [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► computer today apparently and it looks [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► like kind of one of those keyboard wrist [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► rest things that you should never ever [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► actually rest your wrists on it's got [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► some buttons and the right along the top [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► edge of it it's got the little roller [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► ball thing you can roll back and forth [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► like a little pencil for vertical and [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► slide left and i'm not quite sure if the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► bar itself slides if it's just like [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► touch sensitive or whatever there's a [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► youtube video of someone messing with it [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and doesn't still doesn't quite make it [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► clear because youtube videos not very [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► illuminating but anyway this still [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► exists [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► youtube is very good at that youtube is [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► very good at having lots of videos that [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► report to review a product but don't [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► actually tell you the useful information [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► about that product they just kind of [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► hold it up and spin around or unbox it [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and they don't actually try it or show [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► you or do anything useful [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► not that I'm complaining but you need [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► that you need to have different camera [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► angles like what you need to do it like [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► if you don't understand how this product [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► works which I you know I have some [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► questions like oh does the bar slide [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► back what you need like close-ups and [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► like macro photography and cutaways and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► if you can't just have one continuous [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► shot of a person sitting in a desk you [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► know connecting it to the keyboard and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► showing it's got a little feet and it's [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► got a little connectors got a little [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► this but just like you're too far away i [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► can't see what you're doing with your [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► fingers you need to need a multi-camera [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► multi-shot edited sequence instead of [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► just one big long take usually when I'm [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► review when i'm looking for product [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► reviews on youtube for a product i'm [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► considering buying at least half the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► videos i find i suspect i'm the first [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► person to ever have watched them [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► regardless what the view counts that [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► does must all be bought [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► I think I'm the only person who's ever [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► watched it including the Creator I don't [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► think they've even watch it because if [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► they watched it they would notice all [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the problems or at least some of the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► problems like hey you can barely hear [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► what they're saying or you know you [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► could have cut out like this entire [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► segment or unfortunately most commonly [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► this entire video serves no purpose and [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► adds nothing to the world I'm sorry [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► well son I have really high production [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► values we can tell they really nailed [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► like the lighting and it's crisp and the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► audio is really good but but they didn't [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► actually provide good product revisit an [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► athlete the close-ups and and different [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► test [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► none of those people review microphones [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► yeah the montelucia the most fun thing [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► is what I'm looking for [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► not specifically videos but usually it's [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► what i find for like questions I have a [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► household stuff like how to repair the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► self raising like how to repair record [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► this blind raising mechanism thing or [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► something or how to fix a flapper on [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► your toilet or whatever and if you're [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► looking for like this specific make and [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► model and seeing how summary what I was [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► doing that replacing the battery in my [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► key fob or whatever right [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► those are the best videos because these [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► are not professional youtube races just [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► a person who just says look I've decided [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► to film myself doing this thing and like [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► they're holding their camera under the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► chin against their chests tend to film [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► their two hands at the exactly the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► camera is a candy bar phone from 1997 [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and and they're talking really weird [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► because the chain is holding the camera [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► while their fingers fumble and i love [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► these people you know why because if [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► they didn't do that terrible video they [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► would be zero videos on the entire [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► internet like I just want to see one [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► other living human do this and they do [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► it like all that explains it like it's [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► so much better to have a video than no [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► video so i would encourage everybody [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► that if you're even remotely thinking of [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► putting a video about how you repair the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► specific toilet seat that you have for [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► some specific eighties toilet do it put [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► it up online [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► nobody if it has five years it doesn't [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► matter if i'm one of those five I'm like [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► thank you thank you for putting this [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► online because it's so hard to find any [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► information about certain things i love [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the fact that people are doing [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► especially about home stuff are doing [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► home repairs and filming themselves [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► doing it and filming their mistakes and [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► I don't care the audio is horrible i [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► don't care that it's all blurry I don't [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► care the camera shaking i wish there [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► were more of them now I mean I'm just [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► saying like if you're going to review a [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► microphone [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► what is the one thing that somebody [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► watching that review might be interested [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► in that video containing an audio sample [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► from the microphone go look at it like [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► pick a microphone go to youtube and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► search for video reviewing that [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► microphone and see how many you can find [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► it actually contain an audio sample of [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► the person talking to that microphone [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► let alone what would be more useful is [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► maybe comparing it back to back to like [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► one other microphone maybe the one built [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► into the camera or the phone would be [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► good enough just compare it to something [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► else but you can't even find samples of [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► people talking into the mic [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► I cannot believe like a man that I'm in [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► the wrong business [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► got to take over YouTube but i bet they [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► show you the microphone coming [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► out-of-the-box they show you all the [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► different outfits you can put on the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► microphone and show you show you all the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► articulations and different points I'd [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► like it's like the toy rabbit videos of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► template upon which all product reviews [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► on YouTube are based and it's probably [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► okay for if you're unwrapping toys but [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► probably not good for a product that [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► actually is supposed to do something is [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► difficult like especially for something [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► like an input device or a chair or [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► something like that you r it's not [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► actually easy to illustrate in video all [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► the different features because you do [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► need lots of weird camera angles and [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► camera rigs to get lighting in the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► place to sort of convey the you probably [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► diagrams at a certain point like with [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► overlaid on top of the video it's not [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► it's not an easy gig response to tonight [TS]

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00:11:01 ◼   ► all right there is another item to [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► follow but I told myself i wouldn't [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► bring up but I don't want to get yelled [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► at later there's a bullet this is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► casey's ongoing I'm a close which I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► don't want to talk about because i don't [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► want the internet telling me about how [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► wrong I am about everything so we can [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► move along [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► oh we already talked to you about it in [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► slack but I think we need to talk about [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► it again i really want to talk about [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► this you need to bring your imac for [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► repair and you won't know I thought yes [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► that's actually the yes that's the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► summary is that so how can I could [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► briefly recap this so let me put on my [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► summarize the chief summarizer in chief [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► hat so a couple episodes ago I sounded [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► like garbage because my imac croaked in [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the middle of recording no it did not [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► involve water or any other liquid Thank [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► You the entire internet for making that [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► joke anyway so it croaked in the middle [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► of recording it hard froze rebooted [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► itself that this had happened I had [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► noticed from time to time but it had [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► never been during recording so it didn't [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► really make that big of a difference the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► only thing I lost out on was plex [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► couldn't see my media files because it [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► wouldn't auto reconnect to the synology [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► so anyway so this happens suddenly I [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► actually need to take action on things [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► because it affected the show and that's [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► no bueno so i tried to figure out what [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► to do i did a hardware test and after [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► much cajoling from a from mr. siracusa [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► it showed no problems i think im gonna [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► try one or two other things but what I [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► ended up doing was I swapped out my mac [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► sales ram i had gotten 32 gigs of ram [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► for this thing the moment i bought it [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► and I put in the eight gigs of OEM ram [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► and that's what's running it right now [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► and it seemed to me [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► empirically that it's a little go about [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► a week before it has one of these locks [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► and reboots itself and up until this [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► morning it had been eight days since I [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► had any such problem this morning I went [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► to not unsleep it but you know that the [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► screen it's slept with the the machine [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► was still on so i hit the spacebar on my [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► keyboard in order to wake the thing up [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► and the backlight on the screen came on [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► but I could see nothing i ended up [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► forcing a rebooted hard reboot and look [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► the console when it came back up and it [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► had a bazillion messages i don't have a [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► hand in front of me but something along [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► the lines of I can tell that the GPU [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► drivers not responding and that's [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► probably not good [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► so my hopeful and I person I stand by my [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► going theory is that it's the non OEM [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► ram that's pissing it off and causing [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► problems but I have nothing but [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► anecdotal evidence to go on and John and [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► marco both are insistent that I take [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► this thing to the genius bar but I [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► really really really don't want to [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► because it is a royal pain to bring it [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► there let alone be gone but you haven't [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► been gone for like a week or more only [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► for genius to say jesus never happened [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► to me everything looks good here here [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► you go [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► come back if it happens again so I don't [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► wanna bother with it and i will i would [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► rather just deal with the eight gigs of [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► ram and then maybe start whining it at [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► mac sales or other world computing [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► whatever they call themselves wine at [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► them and see if i get replacement sticks [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► if that really does seem to be the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► problem but what hold on if you if [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you're gonna keep the owc ram out of the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► computer and going to have this problem [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► occasionally you know it's not the room [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► what exactly do you expect odeon owc to [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► do about that because you know but you [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► just said you're so I still think it's [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► the ram but it just froze when the ram [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► wasn't in it [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► how does that even has any work no no it [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► was a different kind of freeze it was a [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► very different kind of free blacks [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► matter serious i'm not trying to be [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► funny [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► gotta get so many you are being very [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► funny I I understand different kind of [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► fries with a problem it's another thing [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► that your Mac shouldn't be doing right [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► like especially since you're not doing [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► anything with you don't have any weird [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► programs that you're running or you're [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► not stressing is just sitting there idle [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► essentially and you come back to it you [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► can't get it to wake up and you see a [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► bunch of GPU messages and the thing [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► yeah but that was the first time I'd [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► ever seen anything in the console any of [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► the other times locked up there was it [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► was like it it was running and turning [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and chugging along fine and then next [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► thing you know I co boot time you're [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► grossly overblowing the effect this [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► problem house on me with the exception [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that one episodes I do genuinely feel [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► deeply sorry about with the exception [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► that one episode it has never really [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► cause any problem for me and I think [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that today's freeze was just a fluke of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► modern computing don't know this doesn't [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that that is not that is not the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► behavior of healthy hardware that is not [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► normal that is not something you should [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► just consider you know what that's [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► acceptable i'm going to live with that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► forever know and especially because like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you know this is gonna run a warranty at [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► some point if you didn't get [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► applications going to be in what six [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► months like it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► this is not normal this is this is not [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► supposed to happen this is not [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► acceptable you something in there is [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► broken and it is most likely not the ram [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► that is not currently in the computer [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► when this problem is still happening it [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► was a different problem [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► well it might have reacted worse with [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► that ram maybe it sounds like there's [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► something wrong with the GPU or the [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► logic board whether or not it is worse [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► with the odbc ramen it [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► the fact is this problem exists without [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► the odbc remnant so therefore that ram [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► is not the problem that ran might be a [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► problem but it is not the problem here [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I'm assuming you google the error [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► message because like to rule out [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► software type of bugs or it's like oh [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► you don't announce to you this version [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► of OS 10 ships or macro and still almost [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► Enright got this transition is gonna be [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► rough shirts with a driver for your [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► particular GPU that is flaky in this way [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► usually googling for the console message [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► will lend you a hundred people asking [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► the same question on Apple's discussion [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► forums none of which are actually [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► getting an answer but then you can kind [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► of like ballpark like look at this is [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► the thing that's happening to a lot of [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► people you know as judged by like [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► whatever ratio you know commands people [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► to go on to apple discussion forum to [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► talk about like for every one person you [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► see there there's probably like hundreds [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► more who don't know where this [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► government forms are but I've had [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► situations like this and it doesn't mean [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► that the software problem you see other [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► people having it but occasionally you [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► get lucky you'll see that oh actually [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► I'm someone who knows whether an apple [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► employee or not and there's a bug in [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► this driver for this and video GPU or [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► whatever is something you have in years [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► but anyway and that's what the problem [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► is and the software update either has [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► fixed it or we'll fix it or whatever [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► like so it's still conceivable that GPU [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► like that freeze thing could be a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► software issue right the hard rebooting [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► with no messages and the console [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► definitely looks like a hardware thing [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► like you said you haven't had [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that whether i'm out who knows but [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► either way either of these things I [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► think are a problem so maybe maybe you [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► kind of convince me with your reticence [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► to bring this thing and maybe wait for [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► the next one the next fries and see that [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► with the ram still out like you get a [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► repeat of the GPU thing or do you get [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► the hard reset e-type thing I still [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► think it's weird that the ram test would [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► pass maybe the ramp tester not [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► particularly thorough you need to run [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► those tests like go through every bite [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► of ram like hundreds of times and runs [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► for days at a time to really test it i'm [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► not entirely sure but anyway all this is [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► to say that both Marco and I have 5k [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► imax and ours just don't do this [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► so you shouldn't you shouldn't accept [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► this is a state of being and I you [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► should resign yourself to take this big [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► heavy computer in three times not once [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► because the first time you take it and [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► if you're lucky they'll find something [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► wrong but they're probably send it back [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► to you and said it's fine now you have [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► to wait for it to happen again you have [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► to bring it again they say it's fine [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► then you have to wait for it to happen [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► again then you bring again after they [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► denied you three times then you get a [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► satisfaction of some kind or you get to [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► be a more indignant about it [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► okay well let me just make a couple [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► things very plain because apparently [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► nobody's listening to me [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► I did the apple hardware diagnostic test [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► or whatever it is called when you start [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► the computer and mash down on the D key [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► it i did this with the owc ramen and it [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► said everything's peachy keen [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► every everything was fine that's what [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I'm saying like maybe it runs like a [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Wimpy ram testing rightful Ramdass takes [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► really really long time so it doesn't [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► you know what because I'm suspicious of [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the ramp to write so maybe the a barber [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► test didn't test it thoroughly or maybe [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► it didn't trigger the problem or [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► whatever but like with this kind of [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► intermittent problem that happened you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► know you get like a weird crash it used [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► to be every few days now it's like once [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► a week right [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► yep used to be about once a week once a [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► week it has happened once which it to be [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► in to be fair was about eight days after [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► i put the old the stock ram in it has [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► happened once and on the surface that [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► looks like it's probably the same crash [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► but like that earlier I'd never ever [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► ever seen any console messages [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► previously and i should add that it [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► would always just reboot itself and this [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► time it did not it was it seemed like it [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► was fine until it powered on the [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► backlight and then it just could it [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► wouldn't show anything on screen so i [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► don't think this is the same thing it [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► either way these are these are two [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► different symptoms [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► of some kind of underlying problem that [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► is probably the same problem with the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► breath at ODC ramen it so it probably is [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► not the ramp it's probably a problem [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► with apples hardware in here and [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► normally functioning computers don't [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► behave this way normally functioning max [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► don't behave this way even max running [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► betas don't behave this way tips on the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► chat room says his beta hardware doesn't [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► behave this way something is wrong [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► whether or not the hardware test passes [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► or fails it does not say there isn't a [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► problem it just says whatever that is [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► testing for is or isn't failing at that [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► moment what that means to you is that [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► this will be annoying to get fixed but [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► that doesn't mean there isn't a problem [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► it just means the problem didn't happen [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► during that test so inappropriate [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► analogy to the situation is on my car [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► every great once in awhile this stereo [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► decides to turn itself off and then turn [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► itself back on it is mildly inconvenient [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► mildly inconvenient and then one time [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► one time I was in the middle of a [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► podcast and I had no idea where I wasn't [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► that podcast in terms of like the time [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► stamp or anything and then it restarted [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► itself and i had to start the podcast [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► over because I just couldn't find where [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► i was in the podcast whatever reason [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► that's the analogy I'm not taking my car [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► to the shop for them to say oh we can't [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► reproduce it four different times just [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► so they can say oh we can't reproduce i [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► do not have the confidence but there's [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► no reasonable hope of the BMW or [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► whatever fix a problem like there's no [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► reason to hope in the Apple Pete that [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► all gone yes no there is a reasonable [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► hope that you will get some kind of [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► satisfaction from apple that I know I've [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► dealt with these problems before cardio [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► forget it you have some electronic [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► grandmother your car [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► there's no hope I don't even bother like [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► maybe try together once but it's not [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► like they have they don't deal with [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► electronics like they can fix your [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► mechanical parts but in general unless [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► there's some sort of well we flashed [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► with the manufacturers latest ball they [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► have no idea about the electronics in [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► your car and have that stuff doesn't [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► work right even when it's working [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► entirely according to you know like it's [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► working perfectly this is exactly i was [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► designed just filled with bugs that are [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► never getting it fixed but for hardware [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► like I had something like thunderbolt [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► display which is really weird and flaky [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► and had to keep bringing in bring it in [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► but eventually I think eventually you [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► they will give you an entirely new [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► inside or an entirely new refurbished [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► thing or you know like you will [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► especially when it's under warranty is [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► relatively new [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► now is the time to start going through [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► the annoying sequence because it will be [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► worse if you just let the slide and the [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► warranty runs out and you just ignored [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► for years at a time by this thing and [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► then your only recourse is that point is [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► to pay off some of your own might do it [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► while it's still under warranty with [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► apple you will eventually something [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► eventually will happen is not a hundred [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► percent chance it's going to get fixed [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► but it's 90 and it's way higher than the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► car dealer fixing something about [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► electronic in your car so let me just [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► plainly stated will be in the show notes [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► but the actual error on the most recent [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► time when the back light came on and [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► nothing was on screen was windows server [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► colon GPU driver appears to be hung [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► parentheses over five continuous seconds [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► of unreadiness that was the actual error [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► the only thing I could come up with on a [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► quick google search as i'm recording is [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► the stupid mac pro so the macros [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► haunting me [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► you know what's really comment on the [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► mac pro GPU failures [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► go figure the also consider that this is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► my second or remember that this is my [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► second retina 5k imac and I'm already [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► kind of not wanting to deal with going [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► back to the apple store and it is not [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► that far from my house don't be creepy [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► but I just don't want to deal with it in [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► in there are people that are in the chat [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► i'm sure people listening to this that [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► are furious with me that I'm not leaping [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► into my car to get this back guarantee [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► you everybody is really connected [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► let's let's see this is our well-being [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► yelling at their pockets come on [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► whatever I just I i have it these things [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► have a year warranty do they not that [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► generally generally how this works [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► ok i bought this thing in like late [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► january maybe mid January at the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► earliest i can look it up [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► I have plenty of time to make myself [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► happy and let this run with my piddly [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► eight gigs of ram for another month and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► see if it crashes and how often it [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► crashes and what the story is because if [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► it is as simple as it doesn't crash with [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the stock ram then ok I get different [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► ram I either by different ram i live [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► with it with eight gigs ram it actually [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► is working just fine to be honest with [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► you except that every bit of this [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► owc replace the ram like I obviously [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► replace around after like eight years [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► with me like they're really have a [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► ridiculously good warranty [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► ya know it's it's not the ramp it's it's [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► not all the Rams unable to compete [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► but anyway I gave don't think you're [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► gonna you're gonna let it if you're [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► going to sue for another month just like [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► it's going to be a kind of a pain to [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► find the stuff and console later [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► especially if it like Jesus up the logs [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► and everything and you have to go [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► hunting through this [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► make a note of a copy and paste all the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► surrounding log lines reboot make a note [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► of the date and the time because if you [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► don't do this while it's happening there [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► will be pain to go back and research [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► later then you can come to the genius [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► bar and she was like look here's a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► record of all the stuff that's happened [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► here the console.log surrounding the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► events and you can plot them out and say [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► how many days there were between them [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and all the stuff that will be very [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► useful for you [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► I agree and I i would suspect that there [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► will come a time that I will have to [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► bring this in because it's just [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► something happens that makes me think [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► okay it's not the ram and yes I [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► understand market that you can do a mark [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► hashtag marker was right that's fine [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► whatever I don't care but I am so not [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► wanting to deal with the hassle of [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► making this dance happen four or five [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► times to get a genius that actually [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► understands that something's broken [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► it's just not worth it to me it's not [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► worth it if it's worth it to you be that [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► mark will be that John a random listener [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that is furious with me and thinks I'm [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► an idiot [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► fine it's worth it to you at this very [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► moment tonight it's not worth it to me [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► yet and I am oh so overjoyed to read all [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the emails about how much for more on am [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► so just please send them to Marco that's [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► gonna take what's about today we're [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► going to be your threshold like at what [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► point will be out [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► hypothetically if X happen that would be [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► like that said this thing is going i [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► think if i see a similar crash with [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► nothing in the console literally there [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► was nothing in the console everything [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► was going as a happiest kid as a clam [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► and then next thing you know boot time [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► if that happens again and it happens on [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the stock room which is what's in it [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► that will probably in and of itself be [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► enough for me to say okay fine I'll i [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► probably have to take this in and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► certainly if these crashes random [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► crashes for whatever reason even the GPU [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► thing that I saw today if that happens [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► consistently some real consistently [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► enough between today the 13th of july [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► 2016 and around Christmastime which is [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► around the time that the warranty [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► expires i will bring it in [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► I just think it's really aggressive in [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► premature to go through that [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► you're freaking hassle today that's all [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I'm saying [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► does that answer your question yeah well [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► we'll be more follow-up I'm sure haha [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► I'm so we just want your computer to be [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► happy you want you to be happy and we [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► don't want to lose any more often hear [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that covered with this we've taken [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► alternate arrangements [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► god I'm so looking forward to the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► follow-up responsive tonight by hover go [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► to hover com and use code it's not the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► ram for ten percent off your first [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► purchase some of the worst stand-up I [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► quit when you have a great idea for your [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► blog or a new store starting to get a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► great domain name and finding such a [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► great domain name is easy with hover [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► there's no upsells and there's free who [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► is privacy so when all you want to do to [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► go to Maine name or email address you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► shouldn't have to opt-out of a page [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► after page of add-ons that you don't [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► really need or want hover offers only [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► domains and email you can focus on [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► finding a great domain name and get back [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► to working on your great idea and they [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► believe that you shouldn't have to pay [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► for things that should already be [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► included with your domain so like most [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► people don't realize that when you [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► register a domain name your content [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► information including your email address [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► phone number and home address is [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► published online for spammers and [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► hackers to find in a whois database and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► unlike most of the domain providers [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► hover includes free who is privacy with [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► all supported domains to keep your [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► information confidential so go to hover [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► com and find a great domain name for [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► your idea go to hover com use promo code [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► it's not the ram sorry Casey promo code [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► it's not the ram at checkout to save ten [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► percent off your first purchase [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► thank you very much to hover for [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► sponsoring our show [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► moving on Plan of the planet of the apps [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► are almost depleted behaves so planet of [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the apps has a website now this is the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► app creation show thing that Apple had [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► talked about it at some point I remember [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► where it was but they talked about it at [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► some point said hey we're gonna do like [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► a reality show about making apps and now [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► it has website at planet of the apps com [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► and so they're starting to solicit [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► people to join up and film and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► apparently there's going to be events [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► and i'm not entirely clear what that [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► means i don't know if it's like American [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► Idol style casting or if it means [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► they're just gonna go to these places [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► but they're going to new york austin LA [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► and San Francisco sometime over the next [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► few months I guess so anyway um what do [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► we think about this about Apple dipping [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► into the TV world it's weird that [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Apple's first original content that is [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► like over the funding is about like its [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► own stuff it's not fiction show that [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► it's about apps i think that's where for [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► two reasons one when you think of [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► company funding original TV content i [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► guess just because historically think of [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► like fiction like we're going to pay a [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► bunch of people money and they're going [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► to write a story and have lunch actors [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► in a script and that's what all the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► other services have done to promote [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► their you know their their headlining [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► original content is all fiction stuff [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► there's not going to have reality shows [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that's not the stuff we're in a house of [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► cards being the big first one and then [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► nail orange is the new black and all [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► sorts of other things that's weird the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► second thing is that it is a reality [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► show about things that Apple does and [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the reason it gets weird is because in [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► general when there's a reality show [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► about a topic whatever it is it's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► fishing or baking cupcakes or like [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► whatever it may be i tend to view the [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► reality show about that thing as not [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► reflective of the thing i didn't have to [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► be this entertainment right but I would [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► imagine that someone who is really you [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► know a professional woodworker seeing a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► reality show about woodworking and being [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► like well that's not work [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► it's actually like this is the reality [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► show but which again which is fine but [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► it's always a distorted view because I [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► can reality i don't have to make a chair [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► with one hand tied behind my back or I [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► don't have to incorporate pinecones into [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the nice project like that's not what [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► actually working is like and in reality [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► like these people you know they're [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► cutting away and they're not showing the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► amount of time and i would use a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► different tool for that and you know [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► like i can just imagine anyone watching [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► reality show thinking that this is not [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► reflected in my profession I don't think [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► it's entertaining and it's fun or [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► whatever but i think if you were apple [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► and you decided your first original [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► content is going to be about developing [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► for your platforms you would want to be [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► either reflective of what it's like to [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► develop here at platform or make it look [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► better but as most reality shows make it [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► look more difficult and more fraught and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► just just weird like I I can't imagine [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► the view you get of app development from [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► watching this program being something [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► that apple would be like yeah we want [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► people to think that's what it's like to [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► develop apps for the platform i know [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► they're gonna try to spin it to make it [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► look it's great and these people are [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► going to get rich and they're all [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► wonderful and developing for our [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► platformers is really fun but that's an [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► infomercial no one wants to watch that [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► either there has to be like reality show [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► drama and silly events and stuff like [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► that and I its it just doesn't seem like [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► a good idea to me i don't see even if [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► it's the best show ever and people [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► enjoyed it super entertaining we come to [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► love the contestants and it's a bonding [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► experience and everything its I don't [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► see how it's going to be a net positive [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► for apple and that like before this show [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► x number of people are into app [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► development and now even more art looks [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► even better i think it'll I think it'll [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► make it into like a more of a circus or [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► just under no just doesn't seem like a [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► good idea to me [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► we actually spoke about this on today's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► clockwise which I guessed it on [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► clockwise number 145 and basically I [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► figure who wasn't brought it up but [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► somebody asked they are you gonna watch [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► this and are you interested in it and [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► the four of us all basically said yeah [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► I'm at least gonna give it a shot i'm [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► curious to see it i agree with you John [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that quote unquote reality TV is never [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► that real or is very rarely that real [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► i'm also curious [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► to see how they make developing apps [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► exciting because the actual act of [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► developments borings craps or at least [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► watching it is boring as crap i think [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the social network you know the movie [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the social network did a pretty good job [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► of making it dramatic and exciting but [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► if you think about it there's very [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► little actual programming going on [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► generally speaking it was more drinking [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that was adjacent to procreate me but uh [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► i don't know i i'm not entirely clear [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► what the motivation is I think you're [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► right that it's fraught with peril and [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► they could go wrong in a lot of ways but [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► i am i'm very intrigued to see how they [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► handle it and intrigued to see how they [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► presented is it going to be a bunch of [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► you know tech Bros from Silicon Valley [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► that our programming and being idiots i [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► would assume not but you never know [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► or is it going to be like an interesting [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► and in genuine struggle of someone [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► trying to be an independent developer [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and trying to release the this app yeah [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► what was that on indie game the movie [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► then like that chronicled yeah what was [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► that one guy who that who did pheasant [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► failfish yeah yeah like I was riveted by [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► his story but it wasn't about game [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► development like to get back to your [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► saying about how they're going to make [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► up again uh you know application [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► development interesting like when [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► saddled with an activity that generally [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► isn't that interesting to watch like [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► sitting in front of the keyboard you [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► fall entirely back on what normally [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► reality shows only nine ninety percent [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► which is it's all about the people the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► characters that the stories and only if [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► you have an activity that is photogenic [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► for example like cooking because people [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► get hungry when they see yummy food or [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► whatever like but even in cooking [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► reality shows mostly it's about the [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► people the characters interpersonal [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► relationships than the story behind them [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► where they come from what they hope to [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► achieve is why there is asking people [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► what their hopes and dreams are very [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► very little about the the cooking and [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► cooking is really photogenic right when [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► you have something is not photogenic at [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► all like sitting in front of a computer [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► keyboard typing it's going to be [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► entirely concentrated on the people's [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► stories and maybe the app idea because [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the audience i use apps i know what apps [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► are like tell me your app idea kinda [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► like in the shark tank type things tell [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► me your business idea i don't want to [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► details of how you incorporate and how [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► you do accounting in your business and [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► how you run your business today I don't [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► but things that I can relate to so that [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► that is that's how reality shows work [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► it's about people's about relationships [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► to put it's about interpersonal conflict [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► uh they're probably not going to show a [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► lot of programming but they probably [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► will show here is my app idea and then [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► programming happened off camera here is [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► a phase of development program happened [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► off camera [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► here's an idea judges look at the idea [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► you know like which is kind of a shame [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► because I think a lot of people a lot of [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► energy of like i would like to see the [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► program part of people making jokes like [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► they can have activities we have to like [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► a tree factory you know controller or [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► something and change your model later [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► and like no they're not going to have [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► that we would like to see that but we [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► are very small audience you know they [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► can't do anything that's real [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► programming type stuff that has to be [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► about all about the personal drama which [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► I think Apple thinks maybe is going to [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► be like oh it shows these people in [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► there they're you know pulling [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► themselves up by their bootstraps and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► they're going to become billionaires and [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► they have these great app ideas and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► apples empower the world or whatever but [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► then again you have to have the the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► drama and the drama may be really [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► entertaining and people will like the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► program but I don't think it's going to [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► make people want to become a developer [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► and apples platforms [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► no Marco you've been pretty quiet what [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► do you think I i'm mostly don't know [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► what I think about this yet i agree with [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► what both of you said that you know I [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► KCI i agree that it is a little weird [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► sounding i'm willing to reserve judgment [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► until i see it i ate a little unclear as [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► to what kind of show it is it sounds a [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► little bit like it is kind of like a [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► shark tank or a competition show and it [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► sounds like the you get the prize is VC [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► money surprise [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► yeah like I mean so much of a prize i [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► mean like it is one of those prizes that [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► sounds like a surprise like make it big [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► it's like it's like you landed a record [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► contract like that you know American [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► Idol or the original is like you [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► congratulations you are signed to a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► major label with a terrible deal [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► yeah fashion in Europe changed into that [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► deal you think it's a big deal when [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► you're nobody but once you realize [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► you're in it it's really not a great [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► thing I think you're right John that [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► this is mostly going to be about [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► interpersonal stories and and meet you [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► know depending on how well they do it [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► hopefully they're low on like artificial [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► drama but it i think it's mostly going [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► to be like a long version of the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► feel-good videos they show before their [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► keynote especially [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► wdc keynotes where it's like you're you [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► know you're showing these developers all [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► over the world doing all sorts of like [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► cool things to empower themselves in the [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► people around them and you know be [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► showing all this all this like you know [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► cool stuff with accessibility and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► diversity and everything if that's gonna [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► be what it is that's fine i don't know [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► how many people and that's an [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► infomercial that's not that's not [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► entertaining like that that's great [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► that's great for an ad and makes us feel [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► good but people are connecting a week [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► after week to watch that show right and [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► so if it's going to be some kind of if [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► you want to try to be a mass appeal show [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► like a mainstream show they're going to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► have to have almost none of the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► development side and two they're gonna [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► have to just make it basically american [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► idol for apps and and I or you know [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► basically shark tank and I don't expect [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that to be good just you know it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► instantly my gut reaction is I probably [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► won't like this and i probably won't [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► know a single person on it but that's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► not to say that it won't be good for [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► other people I guess I mean like a lot [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► of people have asked me today whether [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► i'm going to apply to be on it and i [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► don't think i will because it like [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► against like the the endgame here like [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► what's the endgame I go through all this [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► I i get represented somehow in a way [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► that their producers edit it and it's [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► not going to be like Tim Cook editing [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► this is going to be some other you know [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► reality TV producer for everything [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► it's I'm so you know if you apply this [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► you're gonna be handing over control of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► how you are represented to the world to [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► somebody who is probably an expert in [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► making TV drama and in in creating drama [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► where there wasn't long before to make [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► morning to watch because that's probably [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► what they did before this [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► yeah I don't think any one of us wants [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► to see the reality show character that [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► we would become if everyone else like [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► you have the input is this person and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► then the reality show editors things [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► like all right I got a slot you in here [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► what kind of character are you so there [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► is like a kid getting a character like [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the fair or right or they're going to [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► take whatever aspect of you think is the [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► most entertaining or makes them less [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► drama and they're going to design a [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► character with you as the input and if [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► there's anything remotely weird about [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► you and there's plenty weird about all [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► three of us we probably would not want [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► to see the reality show character that [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► we would become because we [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► we probably wouldn't be the one that [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► that is the typical hero that everybody [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► relates to and thinks is awesome [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► okay maybe it maybe Casey would be huh [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► haha never seen some of them is the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► everyman so maybe he would be turned [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► into like the the underdog every man [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► until he refuses to take a smack in the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► mines problems and that it's good like [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► now he's gotta hang up still yes exactly [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► good god so honest ? oh and John you as [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► well actually it so it says here [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► crap i just lost it who will be the tech [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► experts and mentors and it just says [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► this is in the faq we are excited to [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► announce our tech experts and talents in [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► the coming week stay tuned for more info [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► would you be willing to be a tech expert [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► like someone on the judging side of the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► table as opposed to the more [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► participatory side of the table that [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► makes sense [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► mm I don't know if I would certainly be [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► more likely to consider that but [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► honestly the reality is they would never [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► ask me like I I'm surely not not not [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► even i'm not even close to famous enough [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► for that I not even in the ballpark it's [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► I wouldn't even be on the like [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► WB version of this show like I'm not [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► even close [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► and so it's not even it's that's like [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► saying like would you accept if they if [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► they offered you to be the new head of [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► the app store like well yeah I'd [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► probably consider that but they won't [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► so you know look at this is no reason to [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► really give much thought to it already [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► have started a better gig though because [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► he even though being a judge is slightly [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► better than being a participant is not [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► much better because you don't you're not [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► the showrunner you don't just make [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► editorial decisions you are just another [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► character on the show you have more free [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► rein to define your own character if [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► you're a judge but you will play a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► character in that role and you won't [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► have control of the final edit you only [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► have control over all the decisions that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► are made on the show so it is entirely [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► like you would be a cog in someone [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► else's machine in that situation mark [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► was really bad at being a cog in someone [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► else's machine so i think you're not [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► taking offered it to him I wouldn't take [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it just because I wouldn't wanna be on [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► I mean I don't even do public speaking [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► of kryolan anything i want to be a TV [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► show but I thought I can think of a lot [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► of other people who I think would be [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► celebrity judges like people who are [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► no what would fill that role well be not [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► because they're the best you know tech [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► expert or the best mentor but that's not [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► what these things are about the reality [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► shows about you have to have an [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► entertaining cast of characters [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► hopefully they have some skills and you [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► know you like and have some steak in a [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► genuine or interesting people not saying [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► they're all like a bunch of phonies but [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► that's what makes for good television so [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► you need different types to mix together [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► like I would say that you for example [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► Larry Ellison would be an interesting [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► judge in this just because he's so like [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► cartoonish the evil like the persona [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► that is the public responded that he has [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► and usually there's a spot on a reality [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► show for someone to be like the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► cartoonishly evil mustache twisting [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► villain right so we could slot right [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► into that you know we in the various [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► messages coming around / and stuff I've [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► seen a few developed people that we know [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► consider applying as participants just [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► as a lark type of thing haven't seen [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► anyone interested in applying for judge [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► things but i think that they have to [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► call you but I have a feeling that the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► people who would be good would also say [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► no so i think they're judging panel is [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► not going to have the brightest lights [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► every industry in it and it's gonna be [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► difficult to find to make interesting [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► characters at a well-known celebrities [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► think the best bet is to have three or [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► four people who have never heard of but [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► who turned out to be really good as just [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► as judges on a reality show [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► well it's probably gonna be like people [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► who who want or need to be in Apple's [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► good graces for Apple music promotion [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► and VC's like that it's going to be that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► combination you're going to have a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► couple of like probably you know b-list [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► celebrities or like you know musicians [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► who were popular five years ago like you [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► know something like that you're gonna [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► have a couple of celebrities and VC's [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► and that's good that that's the story [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► like the judges and you know it with [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► these kinda reality shows the judges are [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► often used to attract the audience you [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► know it's so that's why they try to get [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► celebrity judges because they know that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► people will tune in to watch those [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► judges judge the apps right and then [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► you're gonna have bc is because they're [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► the ones who actually know more about [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the business i feel like i have to point [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► out the the world that Apple is going to [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► promote here is most likely not the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► world that like we and our [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► friends and the apps that we talk about [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► our podcast it's not the world that we [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► all live in its the other it's the the [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► entire rest of the app store where it's [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► well-known that store but it's like it's [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► it's the rest of like the big money side [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► of the app store at least where it is VC [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► funded it is driven by like these like [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► hit driven usually IEP games or things [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► like that or you know it's gonna be that [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► kind of stuff in all likelihood it's not [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► going to be like one person toiling away [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► to really polish the crap out of one [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► amazing productivity app and try to sell [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► it for 10 bucks a year that's not going [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► to be what the show is about in all [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► likelihood it's way more like that it's [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► gonna be like we're making a start going [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► to help connect people to do the this [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► amazing task together and we're gonna [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► get 10 million users in the first year [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► then figure out monetization later I [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► getting that kind of app it's not going [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► to be you know draft that I've got more [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► faith in for example a music executives [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► ability to judge musical talent to say [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► can I take this person and make an album [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► with them they will sell a lot of copies [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► that I would say is a more refined more [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► predictable aren't even though it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► still difficult to pick the people who [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► are good at that I feel like are much [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► better that than VC which is just a [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► bunch of people who all know nothing in [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► fact almost all have exactly the wrong [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► idea about everything right bc is like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► two orders of magnitude more [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► unpredictable more difficult to figure [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► out what is going to be a hit [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► you know an idiot that's why bc throwing [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► money everywhere you went you know throw [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the money at a thousand companies just [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► hoping one of them will be your magical [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► unicorn that makes you billions of [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► dollars that means you're wrong you know [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► 999 times and if you like I think it [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► right that it's gonna be a bunch of [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► feces and there's nothing worse than [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► hearing bc's be like you know like I can [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► tell i'm gonna tell you you know why [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► your business is gonna like they have no [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► idea what's going to succeed what's [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► going to fail especially just a small [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► handful of BC's forget it like it's [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► gonna be hard for me to take them any of [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► them seriously like that every time they [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► have made a judgment would be like out [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► what current unicorns did you pass on [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► and tell me the 909 things that you [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► funded the thought were going to be the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► next big thing that we're all dumb ideas [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► that fizzled out right [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► it's a lot easier to go to record [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► executive intake tell me all of the [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► people who [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► you know who turned out hits for you and [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► how many people did you take under your [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► wing that turned out to do nothing good [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► at the ratios are just so hard and in [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► venture capital for technology companies [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that it's going to be comical I think [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► it's easier like a shark tank to come up [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► like business ideas before concrete [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► things because in the world of apps and [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► you know digital stuff and software and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► all that it's just it's so unpredictable [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► and pretty much every idea that turns [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► out to be really big is the idea that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► most people hate when they first get us [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► yeah I I am NOT looking forward to the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► unbelievable complaining and moaning [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that will happen from our community when [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► we realize as both of you have said that [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► this show was not made for us one other [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► interesting point that's on their faq [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► will i be required to give up a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► percentage of equity answer those that [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► appear on the show will not be required [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► to give up equity unless they choose to [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► accept an offer from one of the angel [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► investor angel advisors or investors [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► which is just further reason to make me [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► believe this is basically shark tank but [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► for apps that well that's it that's good [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► to know though is that because that [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► means that the VC component is optional [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► which is nice you know that that would [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► that would make it a little more [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► interesting but then what do you win i [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► guess you win like prestige and [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► promotion by bragging rights and now [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► your name is out there and it's easier [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► for you to find funding be the guy that [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► one on the show or whatever we better [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► just a plain old cash prize like okay [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► those accepted will have a chance to [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► receive this is from the about page 1 [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► mentorship hands-on guidance from some [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► of the world's best experts in tech and [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► entertainment to funding those who make [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► it to the final round will meet with [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► top-tier vc's investing up to 10 million [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► dollars over the course of the season 3 [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► marketing promotion featured placement [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► on the app store at the end of the show [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► also the potential reach millions of [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► viewers around the world on Apple [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► platforms so that is what you're [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► potentially going to receive [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► participation in the show's limited to [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► 100 of the world's most talented [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► creators if that's you please join us [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that's a link so that that's the that's [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► the playing field that we're dealing [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► with so we get nothing they get featured [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► which happens to people free all the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► time in the grandeur of control then [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► this is a guarantee of being future but [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► so what being featured is not going to [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► you're guaranteed to make you a [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► bazillionaire you got the VC which is [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► that like a monkey's paw if ever there [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► was one [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► you know if you really if you really do [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► have a good app idea you probably don't [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► need the VC unless your business model [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► demands a huge amount amount upfront [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► costs and you're making a deal with the [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► devil and most likely i can't imagine [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► that the best friend species are going [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► to be part of this thing and it's only [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► 10 million dollars anyway and it's [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► that's up to 10 million total so each [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► app you're you're looking at you know if [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► you actually have these people invest in [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► your app how many apps are you know you [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► might get a few hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► which is that sounds like a lot of money [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► but for VC money funding an app that's [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► not that much money really yeah and and [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► then like but there's no there is no [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► like it guaranteed big like how you're [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► going to get 10 million dollars in cash [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► like guaranteed you know here you go [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that's your prize in the show like [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► getting the end of you know game sure [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► whatever the winner will get whatever it [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► is even if it's just 1 million dollars [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► in cash i think that is would be more [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► attractive to more people because who is [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► going to read this and say I really want [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► to go on the show and I really want to [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► win [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► only somebody who doesn't have like like [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► whatever I think the reason market [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► should do is if he had a good idea for [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► an app he wouldn't spend his time trying [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► to convince a bunch of doofus vc's that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► it's a great idea he would just make the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► appt and he doesn't need other people to [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► help make the appt unless his ideas [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► again one of those ideas where it's like [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► I can't even get that possible the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► ground alive millions of dollars because [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► kind of one of those things work you [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► need a critical mass before becoming [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► like uber or something if you had the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► idea for uber like you can't really make [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that up yourself because you need [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► drivers and people to manage them and [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► like this this much more to it to even [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► just get off the ground to get a [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► critical mass of like in one city can [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► someone actually use my apt to actually [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► get a car that's like takes a lot of [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► money just to get to that point right so [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► whoever is an example idea that you [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► would need bc 4 but for this for an app [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that you're gonna make a show by [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► yourself just make it yourself so the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► only people i think would be attracted [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► this or like I've never done this before [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and this seems like a way that i can [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► become successful faster if I happened [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► to win and who knows maybe it is but I [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► just like this what I think it's gonna [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► attract new people and not people who [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► already know how to make apps because [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► while they just make the appt that like [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► why spend your time arguing to the shark [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► tank people that you have a great [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► idea just do it if it's a great idea [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it'll be great idea because integrated [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► it won't be great idea their their [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► mentorship and their advices probably [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► not going to mean that much because [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► every successful apps had tons of people [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► tell them it's terrible idea and every [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► app that is a does had tons of people [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► tell them it's awesome so crapshoot [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► yeah i would also you know point out it [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► for anybody who has never dealt with the [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► role of VC before that when you get vc [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► investment money [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► this is not a gift this is not a prize [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► this is a massive obligation you you [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► basically higher yourselves a whole [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► bunch of bosses who really want a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► certain a certain way of doing things [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► because you're you're taking a lot of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► their money it again not a gift you are [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► taking a lot of their money and [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► investing it in in your company and you [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► are responsible from that point forward [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► for providing them a large return at [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► some point in the future and they're a [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► little bit impatient about when that is [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► understandably because you're taking a [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► lot of their money so if you take VC [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► money you get you basically get put on a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► track [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► we're ok now the next step is first of [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► all you have to spend a slice of this [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► money setting up the company exactly [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► where they want you to legal fees you [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► know corporate all the stuff then you [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► have to hire staff on their time scale [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► they are going to tell you we we know we [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► want you to do this we wanted to hit [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► these growth targets and you better have [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► a plan and how you do that you better [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► show up late before we even consider it [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► it's a very high pressure track that you [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► put on that they aren't interested in [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► investing in something that is going to [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► you know bring you a hundred thousand [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► dollars a year for the next ten years as [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► a personal income they don't care about [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that at all [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► you don't they don't want to give you [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► money out of their pocket to get that [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► kind of return [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► they're investing in you and they want [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you to grow as big as quickly as [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► possible because there's a chance as i [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► mentioned a small chance but there is a [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► chance that if you do that you will get [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► them millions of dollars in return [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that's how the business works that's how [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► it operates that that is what funds it [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► is those big hits that come along so [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► they aren't interested in your lifestyle [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► business them lifestyle business is a is [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► a derogatory term even though that [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► describes everything I've ever done [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► besides tumblr but they don't want that [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► because that's not what [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► their money you know that's not your too [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► risky taking their money to just try to [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► do that they need big things out of you [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► and so the pressure will be on you from [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► that moment forward to make your thing [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► big and huge and grow very quickly and [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► take over the world and Edward please [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► try to their goal is to make you burn [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► through that money really quickly [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► because they want you to be spending it [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► on growth on hiring people on scaling on [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► acquiring new users or whatever the case [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► maybe they want you to be burning about [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► money quickly and unsustainably because [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► they know if you hit that growth you can [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► always get more VC money you can raise [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► additional rounds if you're going if [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► you're not growing you'll crash and burn [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► they don't care they move on there are [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► advantages to the system there's lots of [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► things that require this kind of funding [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► to really get off the ground but this is [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► what they're rewarding you with with the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► triple that that is the path that [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► they're trying to put you on here and it [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► might work for you and it might not but [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► if you're the kind of person like me who [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► prefers to do things like independently [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► as quote lifestyle businesses and just [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► have things that are sustainable over [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► long periods [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► this is not for you I think the one [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► upside potentially is that the only [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► reason VCR on this program is not that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► they have any expectation that the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► winner is going to return investment [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► like in fact I I think they'll be less [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► pressure on the winner because I think [TS]