The Accidental Tech Podcast

178: Mama Needs That Pokémon


00:00:00   to go back to your car analogy that's [TS]

00:00:02   terrible gonna cut it [TS]

00:00:03   well no but you gotta I was gonna say [TS]

00:00:05   bad things about your analogy and I just [TS]

00:00:07   gonna edit out of existence [TS]

00:00:08   yeah I always ended at jokes don't land [TS]

00:00:10   that's the past the privilege of being [TS]

00:00:11   the editor right so we should start with [TS]

00:00:15   some follow-up as always there are [TS]

00:00:17   approximately seven hackintosh users and [TS]

00:00:21   on the planet and every single one of [TS]

00:00:23   them is written us to tell us how it's [TS]

00:00:25   possible to get everything to work [TS]

00:00:26   asterisk dagger double dagger double [TS]

00:00:29   asterisk got some people also writing in [TS]

00:00:32   saying oh I've had you know all your [TS]

00:00:34   worries are founded i have a hackintosh [TS]

00:00:37   and I ran into all the problems you [TS]

00:00:38   described it's kind of a pain brother [TS]

00:00:39   people like a lot of pain at all i got [TS]

00:00:41   everything to work is going to follow [TS]

00:00:42   right guides and do the right things and [TS]

00:00:44   flash the right stuff and wait for the [TS]

00:00:46   drivers to be updated with each update [TS]

00:00:47   and it's not a problem moving these are [TS]

00:00:49   two sets of people describing the exact [TS]

00:00:52   same situation is generated from one [TS]

00:00:54   person's perspective all you just do [TS]

00:00:56   this series of steps and everything is [TS]

00:00:57   fine and the other person's perspective [TS]

00:00:59   all you got to do these series of steps [TS]

00:01:00   before everything is fine like it's the [TS]

00:01:02   same situation right just all depends on [TS]

00:01:05   how you look at it and if it's something [TS]

00:01:06   you enjoy doing or something you would [TS]

00:01:08   find a hassle if we could kind of pick a [TS]

00:01:10   theme of what we heard we were pretty [TS]

00:01:13   much correct about the trade-offs about [TS]

00:01:14   it is a pain sometimes for most people [TS]

00:01:17   how much of a painting that being for [TS]

00:01:19   you depends a lot on your component [TS]

00:01:21   choices and that if you follow these [TS]

00:01:24   guides and if you choose like exactly [TS]

00:01:26   the components they say if you don't [TS]

00:01:28   have like special needs and requirements [TS]

00:01:30   so that I have to make this other Wi-Fi [TS]

00:01:33   card work because that's the 1i have or [TS]

00:01:35   whatever else like if you're willing to [TS]

00:01:36   buy exactly there are components you're [TS]

00:01:38   gonna find all new components to do this [TS]

00:01:40   it's probably a lot easier and you'll [TS]

00:01:42   have an easier time with it but if [TS]

00:01:43   you're trying to get it running on [TS]

00:01:45   components you already had for other [TS]

00:01:47   reasons you might have a hard time I [TS]

00:01:49   think that's pretty good summary [TS]

00:01:50   actually Charles Perry wrote in and he [TS]

00:01:54   had said hey you know you guys joked [TS]

00:01:56   about apple store employees not knowing [TS]

00:01:58   about the mac mini that actually [TS]

00:02:00   happened to me in summer 2015 i was at [TS]

00:02:03   the apple store and I told the sales [TS]

00:02:04   person that I wanted to buy a mac mini [TS]

00:02:06   and I got a blank stare and reply the [TS]

00:02:08   salesperson had never heard of it for [TS]

00:02:11   real [TS]

00:02:12   so that is the thing that has actually [TS]

00:02:14   happened [TS]

00:02:15   that's awesome i always wonder about the [TS]

00:02:18   training they get like I thought every [TS]

00:02:19   apples above it used to do it like they [TS]

00:02:21   would fly off to cupertino and give you [TS]

00:02:23   this whole training course and I could [TS]

00:02:25   be briefed on Apple's entire line and [TS]

00:02:26   it's a type of thing where you're not [TS]

00:02:28   gonna remember everything they tell you [TS]

00:02:30   they're gonna fill your head with a [TS]

00:02:31   bunch of information and especially if [TS]

00:02:32   you're new to a ball you you can't [TS]

00:02:34   remember all the details but i would [TS]

00:02:35   think that for getting an entire line of [TS]

00:02:37   computers exist especially when apple's [TS]

00:02:40   mac product line doesn't contain that [TS]

00:02:41   many products in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:02:43   things would be think that wouldn't [TS]

00:02:44   happen so I think they must have dropped [TS]

00:02:46   their training a little bit for the [TS]

00:02:47   floor staff for the salespeople well i [TS]

00:02:50   mean this is this is what happens with [TS]

00:02:52   every retail place you know like the [TS]

00:02:55   Apple stores are really big there's lots [TS]

00:02:57   of them and they have to hire lots of [TS]

00:02:58   staff from what we've heard rumblings of [TS]

00:03:01   here and there it seems like maybe they [TS]

00:03:02   don't pay as well as they used to or [TS]

00:03:04   whatever reason they have a hard time [TS]

00:03:06   you know attracting an indoor training [TS]

00:03:09   high quality staff consistently to end [TS]

00:03:12   up getting like yes there are some [TS]

00:03:13   people there who really know their stuff [TS]

00:03:14   but a lot of them don't because that's [TS]

00:03:16   just the reality of hiring a massive [TS]

00:03:18   retail staff these days indeed all right [TS]

00:03:22   we should also talk about the crazy [TS]

00:03:24   weird mouse that I believe John had [TS]

00:03:26   brought up last episode [TS]

00:03:28   yeah i think it was called the iso point [TS]

00:03:29   track bar from outbound back from the [TS]

00:03:31   eighties well this design apparently [TS]

00:03:33   lives on probably because they bought [TS]

00:03:35   the patents for it or the patents [TS]

00:03:37   expired because it was so long ago in [TS]

00:03:38   contour designs roller mouse which is [TS]

00:03:42   the thing that you can buy for your [TS]

00:03:43   computer today apparently and it looks [TS]

00:03:46   like kind of one of those keyboard wrist [TS]

00:03:48   rest things that you should never ever [TS]

00:03:50   actually rest your wrists on it's got [TS]

00:03:52   some buttons and the right along the top [TS]

00:03:55   edge of it it's got the little roller [TS]

00:03:56   ball thing you can roll back and forth [TS]

00:03:58   like a little pencil for vertical and [TS]

00:04:00   slide left and i'm not quite sure if the [TS]

00:04:01   bar itself slides if it's just like [TS]

00:04:03   touch sensitive or whatever there's a [TS]

00:04:05   youtube video of someone messing with it [TS]

00:04:08   and doesn't still doesn't quite make it [TS]

00:04:09   clear because youtube videos not very [TS]

00:04:12   illuminating but anyway this still [TS]

00:04:14   exists [TS]

00:04:15   youtube is very good at that youtube is [TS]

00:04:16   very good at having lots of videos that [TS]

00:04:19   report to review a product but don't [TS]

00:04:21   actually tell you the useful information [TS]

00:04:23   about that product they just kind of [TS]

00:04:25   like [TS]

00:04:25   hold it up and spin around or unbox it [TS]

00:04:27   and they don't actually try it or show [TS]

00:04:30   you or do anything useful [TS]

00:04:31   not that I'm complaining but you need [TS]

00:04:32   that you need to have different camera [TS]

00:04:34   angles like what you need to do it like [TS]

00:04:35   if you don't understand how this product [TS]

00:04:36   works which I you know I have some [TS]

00:04:38   questions like oh does the bar slide [TS]

00:04:39   back what you need like close-ups and [TS]

00:04:41   like macro photography and cutaways and [TS]

00:04:43   if you can't just have one continuous [TS]

00:04:45   shot of a person sitting in a desk you [TS]

00:04:47   know connecting it to the keyboard and [TS]

00:04:49   showing it's got a little feet and it's [TS]

00:04:50   got a little connectors got a little [TS]

00:04:51   this but just like you're too far away i [TS]

00:04:53   can't see what you're doing with your [TS]

00:04:54   fingers you need to need a multi-camera [TS]

00:04:57   multi-shot edited sequence instead of [TS]

00:04:59   just one big long take usually when I'm [TS]

00:05:01   review when i'm looking for product [TS]

00:05:03   reviews on youtube for a product i'm [TS]

00:05:05   considering buying at least half the [TS]

00:05:07   videos i find i suspect i'm the first [TS]

00:05:10   person to ever have watched them [TS]

00:05:12   regardless what the view counts that [TS]

00:05:13   does must all be bought [TS]

00:05:15   I think I'm the only person who's ever [TS]

00:05:16   watched it including the Creator I don't [TS]

00:05:18   think they've even watch it because if [TS]

00:05:20   they watched it they would notice all [TS]

00:05:22   the problems or at least some of the [TS]

00:05:23   problems like hey you can barely hear [TS]

00:05:25   what they're saying or you know you [TS]

00:05:27   could have cut out like this entire [TS]

00:05:28   segment or unfortunately most commonly [TS]

00:05:31   this entire video serves no purpose and [TS]

00:05:34   adds nothing to the world I'm sorry [TS]

00:05:35   well son I have really high production [TS]

00:05:38   values we can tell they really nailed [TS]

00:05:39   like the lighting and it's crisp and the [TS]

00:05:42   audio is really good but but they didn't [TS]

00:05:45   actually provide good product revisit an [TS]

00:05:46   athlete the close-ups and and different [TS]

00:05:48   test [TS]

00:05:49   none of those people review microphones [TS]

00:05:51   yeah the montelucia the most fun thing [TS]

00:05:53   is what I'm looking for [TS]

00:05:55   not specifically videos but usually it's [TS]

00:05:57   what i find for like questions I have a [TS]

00:06:00   household stuff like how to repair the [TS]

00:06:03   self raising like how to repair record [TS]

00:06:07   this blind raising mechanism thing or [TS]

00:06:09   something or how to fix a flapper on [TS]

00:06:10   your toilet or whatever and if you're [TS]

00:06:12   looking for like this specific make and [TS]

00:06:14   model and seeing how summary what I was [TS]

00:06:16   doing that replacing the battery in my [TS]

00:06:17   key fob or whatever right [TS]

00:06:20   those are the best videos because these [TS]

00:06:21   are not professional youtube races just [TS]

00:06:23   a person who just says look I've decided [TS]

00:06:26   to film myself doing this thing and like [TS]

00:06:28   they're holding their camera under the [TS]

00:06:30   chin against their chests tend to film [TS]

00:06:33   their two hands at the exactly the [TS]

00:06:35   camera is a candy bar phone from 1997 [TS]

00:06:38   and and they're talking really weird [TS]

00:06:41   because the chain is holding the camera [TS]

00:06:42   while their fingers fumble and i love [TS]

00:06:45   these people you know why because if [TS]

00:06:47   they didn't do that terrible video they [TS]

00:06:49   would be zero videos on the entire [TS]

00:06:50   internet like I just want to see one [TS]

00:06:52   other living human do this and they do [TS]

00:06:54   it like all that explains it like it's [TS]

00:06:56   so much better to have a video than no [TS]

00:06:58   video so i would encourage everybody [TS]

00:07:00   that if you're even remotely thinking of [TS]

00:07:02   putting a video about how you repair the [TS]

00:07:04   specific toilet seat that you have for [TS]

00:07:06   some specific eighties toilet do it put [TS]

00:07:08   it up online [TS]

00:07:09   nobody if it has five years it doesn't [TS]

00:07:11   matter if i'm one of those five I'm like [TS]

00:07:13   thank you thank you for putting this [TS]

00:07:15   online because it's so hard to find any [TS]

00:07:17   information about certain things i love [TS]

00:07:19   the fact that people are doing [TS]

00:07:20   especially about home stuff are doing [TS]

00:07:22   home repairs and filming themselves [TS]

00:07:24   doing it and filming their mistakes and [TS]

00:07:25   I don't care the audio is horrible i [TS]

00:07:27   don't care that it's all blurry I don't [TS]

00:07:28   care the camera shaking i wish there [TS]

00:07:30   were more of them now I mean I'm just [TS]

00:07:32   saying like if you're going to review a [TS]

00:07:33   microphone [TS]

00:07:34   what is the one thing that somebody [TS]

00:07:36   watching that review might be interested [TS]

00:07:39   in that video containing an audio sample [TS]

00:07:42   from the microphone go look at it like [TS]

00:07:44   pick a microphone go to youtube and [TS]

00:07:46   search for video reviewing that [TS]

00:07:48   microphone and see how many you can find [TS]

00:07:50   it actually contain an audio sample of [TS]

00:07:53   the person talking to that microphone [TS]

00:07:54   let alone what would be more useful is [TS]

00:07:56   maybe comparing it back to back to like [TS]

00:07:59   one other microphone maybe the one built [TS]

00:08:02   into the camera or the phone would be [TS]

00:08:03   good enough just compare it to something [TS]

00:08:05   else but you can't even find samples of [TS]

00:08:07   people talking into the mic [TS]

00:08:09   I cannot believe like a man that I'm in [TS]

00:08:12   the wrong business [TS]

00:08:13   got to take over YouTube but i bet they [TS]

00:08:15   show you the microphone coming [TS]

00:08:16   out-of-the-box they show you all the [TS]

00:08:17   different outfits you can put on the [TS]

00:08:19   microphone and show you show you all the [TS]

00:08:22   articulations and different points I'd [TS]

00:08:24   like it's like the toy rabbit videos of [TS]

00:08:27   template upon which all product reviews [TS]

00:08:29   on YouTube are based and it's probably [TS]

00:08:30   okay for if you're unwrapping toys but [TS]

00:08:34   probably not good for a product that [TS]

00:08:36   actually is supposed to do something is [TS]

00:08:37   difficult like especially for something [TS]

00:08:39   like an input device or a chair or [TS]

00:08:42   something like that you r it's not [TS]

00:08:43   actually easy to illustrate in video all [TS]

00:08:46   the different features because you do [TS]

00:08:48   need lots of weird camera angles and [TS]

00:08:50   camera rigs to get lighting in the [TS]

00:08:51   place to sort of convey the you probably [TS]

00:08:54   diagrams at a certain point like with [TS]

00:08:56   overlaid on top of the video it's not [TS]

00:08:57   it's not an easy gig response to tonight [TS]

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00:11:01   all right there is another item to [TS]

00:11:06   follow but I told myself i wouldn't [TS]

00:11:07   bring up but I don't want to get yelled [TS]

00:11:08   at later there's a bullet this is [TS]

00:11:10   casey's ongoing I'm a close which I [TS]

00:11:12   don't want to talk about because i don't [TS]

00:11:13   want the internet telling me about how [TS]

00:11:14   wrong I am about everything so we can [TS]

00:11:16   move along [TS]

00:11:16   oh we already talked to you about it in [TS]

00:11:18   slack but I think we need to talk about [TS]

00:11:20   it again i really want to talk about [TS]

00:11:23   this you need to bring your imac for [TS]

00:11:24   repair and you won't know I thought yes [TS]

00:11:27   that's actually the yes that's the [TS]

00:11:28   summary is that so how can I could [TS]

00:11:32   briefly recap this so let me put on my [TS]

00:11:34   summarize the chief summarizer in chief [TS]

00:11:35   hat so a couple episodes ago I sounded [TS]

00:11:39   like garbage because my imac croaked in [TS]

00:11:42   the middle of recording no it did not [TS]

00:11:44   involve water or any other liquid Thank [TS]

00:11:46   You the entire internet for making that [TS]

00:11:47   joke anyway so it croaked in the middle [TS]

00:11:50   of recording it hard froze rebooted [TS]

00:11:52   itself that this had happened I had [TS]

00:11:54   noticed from time to time but it had [TS]

00:11:57   never been during recording so it didn't [TS]

00:11:59   really make that big of a difference the [TS]

00:12:01   only thing I lost out on was plex [TS]

00:12:03   couldn't see my media files because it [TS]

00:12:05   wouldn't auto reconnect to the synology [TS]

00:12:07   so anyway so this happens suddenly I [TS]

00:12:09   actually need to take action on things [TS]

00:12:11   because it affected the show and that's [TS]

00:12:13   no bueno so i tried to figure out what [TS]

00:12:17   to do i did a hardware test and after [TS]

00:12:20   much cajoling from a from mr. siracusa [TS]

00:12:23   it showed no problems i think im gonna [TS]

00:12:26   try one or two other things but what I [TS]

00:12:28   ended up doing was I swapped out my mac [TS]

00:12:32   sales ram i had gotten 32 gigs of ram [TS]

00:12:35   for this thing the moment i bought it [TS]

00:12:36   and I put in the eight gigs of OEM ram [TS]

00:12:39   and that's what's running it right now [TS]

00:12:40   and it seemed to me [TS]

00:12:42   empirically that it's a little go about [TS]

00:12:46   a week before it has one of these locks [TS]

00:12:48   and reboots itself and up until this [TS]

00:12:51   morning it had been eight days since I [TS]

00:12:54   had any such problem this morning I went [TS]

00:12:57   to not unsleep it but you know that the [TS]

00:13:00   screen it's slept with the the machine [TS]

00:13:02   was still on so i hit the spacebar on my [TS]

00:13:05   keyboard in order to wake the thing up [TS]

00:13:08   and the backlight on the screen came on [TS]

00:13:09   but I could see nothing i ended up [TS]

00:13:11   forcing a rebooted hard reboot and look [TS]

00:13:14   the console when it came back up and it [TS]

00:13:16   had a bazillion messages i don't have a [TS]

00:13:18   hand in front of me but something along [TS]

00:13:19   the lines of I can tell that the GPU [TS]

00:13:22   drivers not responding and that's [TS]

00:13:23   probably not good [TS]

00:13:25   so my hopeful and I person I stand by my [TS]

00:13:29   going theory is that it's the non OEM [TS]

00:13:32   ram that's pissing it off and causing [TS]

00:13:34   problems but I have nothing but [TS]

00:13:36   anecdotal evidence to go on and John and [TS]

00:13:40   marco both are insistent that I take [TS]

00:13:42   this thing to the genius bar but I [TS]

00:13:43   really really really don't want to [TS]

00:13:45   because it is a royal pain to bring it [TS]

00:13:49   there let alone be gone but you haven't [TS]

00:13:51   been gone for like a week or more only [TS]

00:13:53   for genius to say jesus never happened [TS]

00:13:54   to me everything looks good here here [TS]

00:13:56   you go [TS]

00:13:57   come back if it happens again so I don't [TS]

00:13:59   wanna bother with it and i will i would [TS]

00:14:00   rather just deal with the eight gigs of [TS]

00:14:02   ram and then maybe start whining it at [TS]

00:14:05   mac sales or other world computing [TS]

00:14:06   whatever they call themselves wine at [TS]

00:14:09   them and see if i get replacement sticks [TS]

00:14:11   if that really does seem to be the [TS]

00:14:12   problem but what hold on if you if [TS]

00:14:15   you're gonna keep the owc ram out of the [TS]

00:14:18   computer and going to have this problem [TS]

00:14:20   occasionally you know it's not the room [TS]

00:14:22   what exactly do you expect odeon owc to [TS]

00:14:24   do about that because you know but you [TS]

00:14:27   just said you're so I still think it's [TS]

00:14:28   the ram but it just froze when the ram [TS]

00:14:29   wasn't in it [TS]

00:14:30   how does that even has any work no no it [TS]

00:14:33   was a different kind of freeze it was a [TS]

00:14:34   very different kind of free blacks [TS]

00:14:36   matter serious i'm not trying to be [TS]

00:14:38   funny [TS]

00:14:39   gotta get so many you are being very [TS]

00:14:41   funny I I understand different kind of [TS]

00:14:43   fries with a problem it's another thing [TS]

00:14:44   that your Mac shouldn't be doing right [TS]

00:14:48   like especially since you're not doing [TS]

00:14:49   anything with you don't have any weird [TS]

00:14:51   programs that you're running or you're [TS]

00:14:53   not stressing is just sitting there idle [TS]

00:14:54   essentially and you come back to it you [TS]

00:14:56   can't get it to wake up and you see a [TS]

00:14:57   bunch of GPU messages and the thing [TS]

00:14:59   yeah but that was the first time I'd [TS]

00:15:01   ever seen anything in the console any of [TS]

00:15:02   the other times locked up there was it [TS]

00:15:04   was like it it was running and turning [TS]

00:15:06   and chugging along fine and then next [TS]

00:15:08   thing you know I co boot time you're [TS]

00:15:10   grossly overblowing the effect this [TS]

00:15:12   problem house on me with the exception [TS]

00:15:14   that one episodes I do genuinely feel [TS]

00:15:16   deeply sorry about with the exception [TS]

00:15:18   that one episode it has never really [TS]

00:15:19   cause any problem for me and I think [TS]

00:15:22   that today's freeze was just a fluke of [TS]

00:15:24   modern computing don't know this doesn't [TS]

00:15:26   happen [TS]

00:15:27   that that is not that is not the [TS]

00:15:30   behavior of healthy hardware that is not [TS]

00:15:32   normal that is not something you should [TS]

00:15:34   just consider you know what that's [TS]

00:15:35   acceptable i'm going to live with that [TS]

00:15:36   forever know and especially because like [TS]

00:15:38   you know this is gonna run a warranty at [TS]

00:15:41   some point if you didn't get [TS]

00:15:42   applications going to be in what six [TS]

00:15:43   months like it [TS]

00:15:45   this is not normal this is this is not [TS]

00:15:48   supposed to happen this is not [TS]

00:15:49   acceptable you something in there is [TS]

00:15:51   broken and it is most likely not the ram [TS]

00:15:54   that is not currently in the computer [TS]

00:15:57   when this problem is still happening it [TS]

00:15:58   was a different problem [TS]

00:16:00   well it might have reacted worse with [TS]

00:16:01   that ram maybe it sounds like there's [TS]

00:16:03   something wrong with the GPU or the [TS]

00:16:05   logic board whether or not it is worse [TS]

00:16:08   with the odbc ramen it [TS]

00:16:10   the fact is this problem exists without [TS]

00:16:12   the odbc remnant so therefore that ram [TS]

00:16:16   is not the problem that ran might be a [TS]

00:16:18   problem but it is not the problem here [TS]

00:16:20   I'm assuming you google the error [TS]

00:16:22   message because like to rule out [TS]

00:16:24   software type of bugs or it's like oh [TS]

00:16:26   you don't announce to you this version [TS]

00:16:28   of OS 10 ships or macro and still almost [TS]

00:16:30   Enright got this transition is gonna be [TS]

00:16:32   rough shirts with a driver for your [TS]

00:16:36   particular GPU that is flaky in this way [TS]

00:16:38   usually googling for the console message [TS]

00:16:41   will lend you a hundred people asking [TS]

00:16:43   the same question on Apple's discussion [TS]

00:16:44   forums none of which are actually [TS]

00:16:46   getting an answer but then you can kind [TS]

00:16:47   of like ballpark like look at this is [TS]

00:16:49   the thing that's happening to a lot of [TS]

00:16:51   people you know as judged by like [TS]

00:16:53   whatever ratio you know commands people [TS]

00:16:56   to go on to apple discussion forum to [TS]

00:16:58   talk about like for every one person you [TS]

00:17:00   see there there's probably like hundreds [TS]

00:17:01   more who don't know where this [TS]

00:17:02   government forms are but I've had [TS]

00:17:04   situations like this and it doesn't mean [TS]

00:17:06   that the software problem you see other [TS]

00:17:07   people having it but occasionally you [TS]

00:17:09   get lucky you'll see that oh actually [TS]

00:17:10   I'm someone who knows whether an apple [TS]

00:17:13   employee or not and there's a bug in [TS]

00:17:15   this driver for this and video GPU or [TS]

00:17:17   whatever is something you have in years [TS]

00:17:18   but anyway and that's what the problem [TS]

00:17:22   is and the software update either has [TS]

00:17:24   fixed it or we'll fix it or whatever [TS]

00:17:26   like so it's still conceivable that GPU [TS]

00:17:28   like that freeze thing could be a [TS]

00:17:31   software issue right the hard rebooting [TS]

00:17:33   with no messages and the console [TS]

00:17:34   definitely looks like a hardware thing [TS]

00:17:36   like you said you haven't had [TS]

00:17:37   that whether i'm out who knows but [TS]

00:17:38   either way either of these things I [TS]

00:17:40   think are a problem so maybe maybe you [TS]

00:17:45   kind of convince me with your reticence [TS]

00:17:46   to bring this thing and maybe wait for [TS]

00:17:48   the next one the next fries and see that [TS]

00:17:51   with the ram still out like you get a [TS]

00:17:52   repeat of the GPU thing or do you get [TS]

00:17:54   the hard reset e-type thing I still [TS]

00:17:57   think it's weird that the ram test would [TS]

00:17:58   pass maybe the ramp tester not [TS]

00:17:59   particularly thorough you need to run [TS]

00:18:00   those tests like go through every bite [TS]

00:18:02   of ram like hundreds of times and runs [TS]

00:18:04   for days at a time to really test it i'm [TS]

00:18:06   not entirely sure but anyway all this is [TS]

00:18:08   to say that both Marco and I have 5k [TS]

00:18:10   imax and ours just don't do this [TS]

00:18:12   so you shouldn't you shouldn't accept [TS]

00:18:14   this is a state of being and I you [TS]

00:18:15   should resign yourself to take this big [TS]

00:18:16   heavy computer in three times not once [TS]

00:18:18   because the first time you take it and [TS]

00:18:20   if you're lucky they'll find something [TS]

00:18:21   wrong but they're probably send it back [TS]

00:18:23   to you and said it's fine now you have [TS]

00:18:24   to wait for it to happen again you have [TS]

00:18:25   to bring it again they say it's fine [TS]

00:18:27   then you have to wait for it to happen [TS]

00:18:29   again then you bring again after they [TS]

00:18:30   denied you three times then you get a [TS]

00:18:34   satisfaction of some kind or you get to [TS]

00:18:36   be a more indignant about it [TS]

00:18:37   okay well let me just make a couple [TS]

00:18:39   things very plain because apparently [TS]

00:18:40   nobody's listening to me [TS]

00:18:41   I did the apple hardware diagnostic test [TS]

00:18:44   or whatever it is called when you start [TS]

00:18:46   the computer and mash down on the D key [TS]

00:18:47   it i did this with the owc ramen and it [TS]

00:18:50   said everything's peachy keen [TS]

00:18:52   every everything was fine that's what [TS]

00:18:54   I'm saying like maybe it runs like a [TS]

00:18:55   Wimpy ram testing rightful Ramdass takes [TS]

00:18:57   really really long time so it doesn't [TS]

00:18:59   you know what because I'm suspicious of [TS]

00:19:01   the ramp to write so maybe the a barber [TS]

00:19:03   test didn't test it thoroughly or maybe [TS]

00:19:05   it didn't trigger the problem or [TS]

00:19:06   whatever but like with this kind of [TS]

00:19:08   intermittent problem that happened you [TS]

00:19:10   know you get like a weird crash it used [TS]

00:19:12   to be every few days now it's like once [TS]

00:19:14   a week right [TS]

00:19:15   yep used to be about once a week once a [TS]

00:19:18   week it has happened once which it to be [TS]

00:19:21   in to be fair was about eight days after [TS]

00:19:23   i put the old the stock ram in it has [TS]

00:19:25   happened once and on the surface that [TS]

00:19:27   looks like it's probably the same crash [TS]

00:19:28   but like that earlier I'd never ever [TS]

00:19:31   ever seen any console messages [TS]

00:19:33   previously and i should add that it [TS]

00:19:35   would always just reboot itself and this [TS]

00:19:37   time it did not it was it seemed like it [TS]

00:19:39   was fine until it powered on the [TS]

00:19:41   backlight and then it just could it [TS]

00:19:42   wouldn't show anything on screen so i [TS]

00:19:45   don't think this is the same thing it [TS]

00:19:47   either way these are these are two [TS]

00:19:49   different symptoms [TS]

00:19:50   of some kind of underlying problem that [TS]

00:19:53   is probably the same problem with the [TS]

00:19:55   breath at ODC ramen it so it probably is [TS]

00:19:57   not the ramp it's probably a problem [TS]

00:19:58   with apples hardware in here and [TS]

00:20:00   normally functioning computers don't [TS]

00:20:03   behave this way normally functioning max [TS]

00:20:05   don't behave this way even max running [TS]

00:20:07   betas don't behave this way tips on the [TS]

00:20:09   chat room says his beta hardware doesn't [TS]

00:20:11   behave this way something is wrong [TS]

00:20:14   whether or not the hardware test passes [TS]

00:20:17   or fails it does not say there isn't a [TS]

00:20:20   problem it just says whatever that is [TS]

00:20:22   testing for is or isn't failing at that [TS]

00:20:25   moment what that means to you is that [TS]

00:20:27   this will be annoying to get fixed but [TS]

00:20:29   that doesn't mean there isn't a problem [TS]

00:20:30   it just means the problem didn't happen [TS]

00:20:33   during that test so inappropriate [TS]

00:20:34   analogy to the situation is on my car [TS]

00:20:37   every great once in awhile this stereo [TS]

00:20:40   decides to turn itself off and then turn [TS]

00:20:42   itself back on it is mildly inconvenient [TS]

00:20:45   mildly inconvenient and then one time [TS]

00:20:47   one time I was in the middle of a [TS]

00:20:49   podcast and I had no idea where I wasn't [TS]

00:20:52   that podcast in terms of like the time [TS]

00:20:54   stamp or anything and then it restarted [TS]

00:20:56   itself and i had to start the podcast [TS]

00:20:57   over because I just couldn't find where [TS]

00:20:59   i was in the podcast whatever reason [TS]

00:21:00   that's the analogy I'm not taking my car [TS]

00:21:03   to the shop for them to say oh we can't [TS]

00:21:05   reproduce it four different times just [TS]

00:21:07   so they can say oh we can't reproduce i [TS]

00:21:10   do not have the confidence but there's [TS]

00:21:12   no reasonable hope of the BMW or [TS]

00:21:14   whatever fix a problem like there's no [TS]

00:21:16   reason to hope in the Apple Pete that [TS]

00:21:17   all gone yes no there is a reasonable [TS]

00:21:19   hope that you will get some kind of [TS]

00:21:21   satisfaction from apple that I know I've [TS]

00:21:22   dealt with these problems before cardio [TS]

00:21:24   forget it you have some electronic [TS]

00:21:25   grandmother your car [TS]

00:21:26   there's no hope I don't even bother like [TS]

00:21:28   maybe try together once but it's not [TS]

00:21:29   like they have they don't deal with [TS]

00:21:31   electronics like they can fix your [TS]

00:21:32   mechanical parts but in general unless [TS]

00:21:33   there's some sort of well we flashed [TS]

00:21:35   with the manufacturers latest ball they [TS]

00:21:36   have no idea about the electronics in [TS]

00:21:37   your car and have that stuff doesn't [TS]

00:21:39   work right even when it's working [TS]

00:21:40   entirely according to you know like it's [TS]

00:21:42   working perfectly this is exactly i was [TS]

00:21:43   designed just filled with bugs that are [TS]

00:21:45   never getting it fixed but for hardware [TS]

00:21:48   like I had something like thunderbolt [TS]

00:21:50   display which is really weird and flaky [TS]

00:21:51   and had to keep bringing in bring it in [TS]

00:21:53   but eventually I think eventually you [TS]

00:21:55   they will give you an entirely new [TS]

00:21:56   inside or an entirely new refurbished [TS]

00:21:58   thing or you know like you will [TS]

00:22:01   especially when it's under warranty is [TS]

00:22:02   relatively new [TS]

00:22:03   now is the time to start going through [TS]

00:22:05   the annoying sequence because it will be [TS]

00:22:06   worse if you just let the slide and the [TS]

00:22:09   warranty runs out and you just ignored [TS]

00:22:11   for years at a time by this thing and [TS]

00:22:13   then your only recourse is that point is [TS]

00:22:15   to pay off some of your own might do it [TS]

00:22:16   while it's still under warranty with [TS]

00:22:18   apple you will eventually something [TS]

00:22:20   eventually will happen is not a hundred [TS]

00:22:22   percent chance it's going to get fixed [TS]

00:22:23   but it's 90 and it's way higher than the [TS]

00:22:25   car dealer fixing something about [TS]

00:22:27   electronic in your car so let me just [TS]

00:22:29   plainly stated will be in the show notes [TS]

00:22:31   but the actual error on the most recent [TS]

00:22:33   time when the back light came on and [TS]

00:22:35   nothing was on screen was windows server [TS]

00:22:36   colon GPU driver appears to be hung [TS]

00:22:39   parentheses over five continuous seconds [TS]

00:22:41   of unreadiness that was the actual error [TS]

00:22:43   the only thing I could come up with on a [TS]

00:22:45   quick google search as i'm recording is [TS]

00:22:47   the stupid mac pro so the macros [TS]

00:22:49   haunting me [TS]

00:22:50   you know what's really comment on the [TS]

00:22:51   mac pro GPU failures [TS]

00:22:54   go figure the also consider that this is [TS]

00:22:56   my second or remember that this is my [TS]

00:22:58   second retina 5k imac and I'm already [TS]

00:23:02   kind of not wanting to deal with going [TS]

00:23:04   back to the apple store and it is not [TS]

00:23:07   that far from my house don't be creepy [TS]

00:23:08   but I just don't want to deal with it in [TS]

00:23:12   in there are people that are in the chat [TS]

00:23:13   i'm sure people listening to this that [TS]

00:23:15   are furious with me that I'm not leaping [TS]

00:23:17   into my car to get this back guarantee [TS]

00:23:20   you everybody is really connected [TS]

00:23:21   let's let's see this is our well-being [TS]

00:23:24   yelling at their pockets come on [TS]

00:23:25   whatever I just I i have it these things [TS]

00:23:29   have a year warranty do they not that [TS]

00:23:31   generally generally how this works [TS]

00:23:32   ok i bought this thing in like late [TS]

00:23:34   january maybe mid January at the [TS]

00:23:37   earliest i can look it up [TS]

00:23:39   I have plenty of time to make myself [TS]

00:23:42   happy and let this run with my piddly [TS]

00:23:44   eight gigs of ram for another month and [TS]

00:23:46   see if it crashes and how often it [TS]

00:23:49   crashes and what the story is because if [TS]

00:23:52   it is as simple as it doesn't crash with [TS]

00:23:55   the stock ram then ok I get different [TS]

00:23:59   ram I either by different ram i live [TS]

00:24:01   with it with eight gigs ram it actually [TS]

00:24:02   is working just fine to be honest with [TS]

00:24:04   you except that every bit of this [TS]

00:24:05   morning [TS]

00:24:06   owc replace the ram like I obviously [TS]

00:24:08   replace around after like eight years [TS]

00:24:10   with me like they're really have a [TS]

00:24:11   ridiculously good warranty [TS]

00:24:13   ya know it's it's not the ramp it's it's [TS]

00:24:15   not all the Rams unable to compete [TS]

00:24:17   but anyway I gave don't think you're [TS]

00:24:18   gonna you're gonna let it if you're [TS]

00:24:19   going to sue for another month just like [TS]

00:24:21   it's going to be a kind of a pain to [TS]

00:24:23   find the stuff and console later [TS]

00:24:24   especially if it like Jesus up the logs [TS]

00:24:26   and everything and you have to go [TS]

00:24:27   hunting through this [TS]

00:24:28   make a note of a copy and paste all the [TS]

00:24:31   surrounding log lines reboot make a note [TS]

00:24:33   of the date and the time because if you [TS]

00:24:34   don't do this while it's happening there [TS]

00:24:35   will be pain to go back and research [TS]

00:24:36   later then you can come to the genius [TS]

00:24:38   bar and she was like look here's a [TS]

00:24:39   record of all the stuff that's happened [TS]

00:24:41   here the console.log surrounding the [TS]

00:24:43   events and you can plot them out and say [TS]

00:24:45   how many days there were between them [TS]

00:24:46   and all the stuff that will be very [TS]

00:24:48   useful for you [TS]

00:24:49   I agree and I i would suspect that there [TS]

00:24:52   will come a time that I will have to [TS]

00:24:54   bring this in because it's just [TS]

00:24:57   something happens that makes me think [TS]

00:24:58   okay it's not the ram and yes I [TS]

00:25:00   understand market that you can do a mark [TS]

00:25:02   hashtag marker was right that's fine [TS]

00:25:03   whatever I don't care but I am so not [TS]

00:25:06   wanting to deal with the hassle of [TS]

00:25:08   making this dance happen four or five [TS]

00:25:10   times to get a genius that actually [TS]

00:25:12   understands that something's broken [TS]

00:25:13   it's just not worth it to me it's not [TS]

00:25:16   worth it if it's worth it to you be that [TS]

00:25:18   mark will be that John a random listener [TS]

00:25:20   that is furious with me and thinks I'm [TS]

00:25:21   an idiot [TS]

00:25:22   fine it's worth it to you at this very [TS]

00:25:25   moment tonight it's not worth it to me [TS]

00:25:28   yet and I am oh so overjoyed to read all [TS]

00:25:32   the emails about how much for more on am [TS]

00:25:34   so just please send them to Marco that's [TS]

00:25:37   gonna take what's about today we're [TS]

00:25:39   going to be your threshold like at what [TS]

00:25:40   point will be out [TS]

00:25:42   hypothetically if X happen that would be [TS]

00:25:44   like that said this thing is going i [TS]

00:25:46   think if i see a similar crash with [TS]

00:25:48   nothing in the console literally there [TS]

00:25:50   was nothing in the console everything [TS]

00:25:52   was going as a happiest kid as a clam [TS]

00:25:54   and then next thing you know boot time [TS]

00:25:56   if that happens again and it happens on [TS]

00:26:00   the stock room which is what's in it [TS]

00:26:01   that will probably in and of itself be [TS]

00:26:03   enough for me to say okay fine I'll i [TS]

00:26:06   probably have to take this in and [TS]

00:26:07   certainly if these crashes random [TS]

00:26:10   crashes for whatever reason even the GPU [TS]

00:26:12   thing that I saw today if that happens [TS]

00:26:14   consistently some real consistently [TS]

00:26:17   enough between today the 13th of july [TS]

00:26:20   2016 and around Christmastime which is [TS]

00:26:24   around the time that the warranty [TS]

00:26:26   expires i will bring it in [TS]

00:26:27   I just think it's really aggressive in [TS]

00:26:29   premature to go through that [TS]

00:26:31   you're freaking hassle today that's all [TS]

00:26:33   I'm saying [TS]

00:26:34   does that answer your question yeah well [TS]

00:26:37   we'll be more follow-up I'm sure haha [TS]

00:26:39   I'm so we just want your computer to be [TS]

00:26:43   happy you want you to be happy and we [TS]

00:26:46   don't want to lose any more often hear [TS]

00:26:47   that covered with this we've taken [TS]

00:26:50   alternate arrangements [TS]

00:26:51   god I'm so looking forward to the [TS]

00:26:55   follow-up responsive tonight by hover go [TS]

00:26:59   to hover com and use code it's not the [TS]

00:27:02   ram for ten percent off your first [TS]

00:27:05   purchase some of the worst stand-up I [TS]

00:27:08   quit when you have a great idea for your [TS]

00:27:10   blog or a new store starting to get a [TS]

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00:27:16   there's no upsells and there's free who [TS]

00:27:19   is privacy so when all you want to do to [TS]

00:27:21   go to Maine name or email address you [TS]

00:27:23   shouldn't have to opt-out of a page [TS]

00:27:24   after page of add-ons that you don't [TS]

00:27:26   really need or want hover offers only [TS]

00:27:28   domains and email you can focus on [TS]

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00:27:35   for things that should already be [TS]

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00:27:39   people don't realize that when you [TS]

00:27:40   register a domain name your content [TS]

00:27:42   information including your email address [TS]

00:27:43   phone number and home address is [TS]

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00:27:47   hackers to find in a whois database and [TS]

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00:28:03   it's not the ram sorry Casey promo code [TS]

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00:28:09   percent off your first purchase [TS]

00:28:11   thank you very much to hover for [TS]

00:28:12   sponsoring our show [TS]

00:28:14   moving on Plan of the planet of the apps [TS]

00:28:16   are almost depleted behaves so planet of [TS]

00:28:20   the apps has a website now this is the [TS]

00:28:21   app creation show thing that Apple had [TS]

00:28:27   talked about it at some point I remember [TS]

00:28:29   where it was but they talked about it at [TS]

00:28:31   some point said hey we're gonna do like [TS]

00:28:33   a reality show about making apps and now [TS]

00:28:35   it has website at planet of the apps com [TS]

00:28:37   and so they're starting to solicit [TS]

00:28:40   people to join up and film and [TS]

00:28:43   apparently there's going to be events [TS]

00:28:45   and i'm not entirely clear what that [TS]

00:28:47   means i don't know if it's like American [TS]

00:28:48   Idol style casting or if it means [TS]

00:28:50   they're just gonna go to these places [TS]

00:28:51   but they're going to new york austin LA [TS]

00:28:53   and San Francisco sometime over the next [TS]

00:28:56   few months I guess so anyway um what do [TS]

00:29:00   we think about this about Apple dipping [TS]

00:29:02   into the TV world it's weird that [TS]

00:29:06   Apple's first original content that is [TS]

00:29:08   like over the funding is about like its [TS]

00:29:12   own stuff it's not fiction show that [TS]

00:29:15   it's about apps i think that's where for [TS]

00:29:18   two reasons one when you think of [TS]

00:29:20   company funding original TV content i [TS]

00:29:22   guess just because historically think of [TS]

00:29:24   like fiction like we're going to pay a [TS]

00:29:25   bunch of people money and they're going [TS]

00:29:26   to write a story and have lunch actors [TS]

00:29:29   in a script and that's what all the [TS]

00:29:31   other services have done to promote [TS]

00:29:32   their you know their their headlining [TS]

00:29:35   original content is all fiction stuff [TS]

00:29:37   there's not going to have reality shows [TS]

00:29:39   that's not the stuff we're in a house of [TS]

00:29:40   cards being the big first one and then [TS]

00:29:41   nail orange is the new black and all [TS]

00:29:43   sorts of other things that's weird the [TS]

00:29:45   second thing is that it is a reality [TS]

00:29:48   show about things that Apple does and [TS]

00:29:52   the reason it gets weird is because in [TS]

00:29:54   general when there's a reality show [TS]

00:29:56   about a topic whatever it is it's [TS]

00:29:58   fishing or baking cupcakes or like [TS]

00:30:00   whatever it may be i tend to view the [TS]

00:30:06   reality show about that thing as not [TS]

00:30:08   reflective of the thing i didn't have to [TS]

00:30:10   be this entertainment right but I would [TS]

00:30:12   imagine that someone who is really you [TS]

00:30:15   know a professional woodworker seeing a [TS]

00:30:18   reality show about woodworking and being [TS]

00:30:19   like well that's not work [TS]

00:30:20   it's actually like this is the reality [TS]

00:30:22   show but which again which is fine but [TS]

00:30:24   it's always a distorted view because I [TS]

00:30:26   can reality i don't have to make a chair [TS]

00:30:29   with one hand tied behind my back or I [TS]

00:30:30   don't have to incorporate pinecones into [TS]

00:30:32   the nice project like that's not what [TS]

00:30:35   actually working is like and in reality [TS]

00:30:36   like these people you know they're [TS]

00:30:38   cutting away and they're not showing the [TS]

00:30:39   amount of time and i would use a [TS]

00:30:40   different tool for that and you know [TS]

00:30:42   like i can just imagine anyone watching [TS]

00:30:44   reality show thinking that this is not [TS]

00:30:46   reflected in my profession I don't think [TS]

00:30:49   it's entertaining and it's fun or [TS]

00:30:50   whatever but i think if you were apple [TS]

00:30:52   and you decided your first original [TS]

00:30:54   content is going to be about developing [TS]

00:30:56   for your platforms you would want to be [TS]

00:30:59   either reflective of what it's like to [TS]

00:31:01   develop here at platform or make it look [TS]

00:31:03   better but as most reality shows make it [TS]

00:31:05   look more difficult and more fraught and [TS]

00:31:09   just just weird like I I can't imagine [TS]

00:31:12   the view you get of app development from [TS]

00:31:15   watching this program being something [TS]

00:31:17   that apple would be like yeah we want [TS]

00:31:19   people to think that's what it's like to [TS]

00:31:20   develop apps for the platform i know [TS]

00:31:22   they're gonna try to spin it to make it [TS]

00:31:23   look it's great and these people are [TS]

00:31:24   going to get rich and they're all [TS]

00:31:25   wonderful and developing for our [TS]

00:31:27   platformers is really fun but that's an [TS]

00:31:29   infomercial no one wants to watch that [TS]

00:31:30   either there has to be like reality show [TS]

00:31:32   drama and silly events and stuff like [TS]

00:31:34   that and I its it just doesn't seem like [TS]

00:31:38   a good idea to me i don't see even if [TS]

00:31:40   it's the best show ever and people [TS]

00:31:42   enjoyed it super entertaining we come to [TS]

00:31:43   love the contestants and it's a bonding [TS]

00:31:45   experience and everything its I don't [TS]

00:31:47   see how it's going to be a net positive [TS]

00:31:49   for apple and that like before this show [TS]

00:31:52   x number of people are into app [TS]

00:31:54   development and now even more art looks [TS]

00:31:56   even better i think it'll I think it'll [TS]

00:31:58   make it into like a more of a circus or [TS]

00:32:01   just under no just doesn't seem like a [TS]

00:32:03   good idea to me [TS]

00:32:04   we actually spoke about this on today's [TS]

00:32:06   clockwise which I guessed it on [TS]

00:32:08   clockwise number 145 and basically I [TS]

00:32:12   figure who wasn't brought it up but [TS]

00:32:14   somebody asked they are you gonna watch [TS]

00:32:15   this and are you interested in it and [TS]

00:32:18   the four of us all basically said yeah [TS]

00:32:20   I'm at least gonna give it a shot i'm [TS]

00:32:22   curious to see it i agree with you John [TS]

00:32:25   that quote unquote reality TV is never [TS]

00:32:29   that real or is very rarely that real [TS]

00:32:32   i'm also curious [TS]

00:32:34   to see how they make developing apps [TS]

00:32:36   exciting because the actual act of [TS]

00:32:38   developments borings craps or at least [TS]

00:32:40   watching it is boring as crap i think [TS]

00:32:42   the social network you know the movie [TS]

00:32:44   the social network did a pretty good job [TS]

00:32:45   of making it dramatic and exciting but [TS]

00:32:47   if you think about it there's very [TS]

00:32:48   little actual programming going on [TS]

00:32:49   generally speaking it was more drinking [TS]

00:32:51   that was adjacent to procreate me but uh [TS]

00:32:54   i don't know i i'm not entirely clear [TS]

00:32:57   what the motivation is I think you're [TS]

00:32:58   right that it's fraught with peril and [TS]

00:33:00   they could go wrong in a lot of ways but [TS]

00:33:02   i am i'm very intrigued to see how they [TS]

00:33:05   handle it and intrigued to see how they [TS]

00:33:07   presented is it going to be a bunch of [TS]

00:33:09   you know tech Bros from Silicon Valley [TS]

00:33:11   that our programming and being idiots i [TS]

00:33:13   would assume not but you never know [TS]

00:33:16   or is it going to be like an interesting [TS]

00:33:17   and in genuine struggle of someone [TS]

00:33:20   trying to be an independent developer [TS]

00:33:21   and trying to release the this app yeah [TS]

00:33:23   what was that on indie game the movie [TS]

00:33:25   then like that chronicled yeah what was [TS]

00:33:27   that one guy who that who did pheasant [TS]

00:33:30   failfish yeah yeah like I was riveted by [TS]

00:33:33   his story but it wasn't about game [TS]

00:33:35   development like to get back to your [TS]

00:33:36   saying about how they're going to make [TS]

00:33:38   up again uh you know application [TS]

00:33:40   development interesting like when [TS]

00:33:42   saddled with an activity that generally [TS]

00:33:44   isn't that interesting to watch like [TS]

00:33:46   sitting in front of the keyboard you [TS]

00:33:47   fall entirely back on what normally [TS]

00:33:49   reality shows only nine ninety percent [TS]

00:33:50   which is it's all about the people the [TS]

00:33:53   characters that the stories and only if [TS]

00:33:55   you have an activity that is photogenic [TS]

00:33:57   for example like cooking because people [TS]

00:34:00   get hungry when they see yummy food or [TS]

00:34:01   whatever like but even in cooking [TS]

00:34:02   reality shows mostly it's about the [TS]

00:34:05   people the characters interpersonal [TS]

00:34:06   relationships than the story behind them [TS]

00:34:08   where they come from what they hope to [TS]

00:34:10   achieve is why there is asking people [TS]

00:34:11   what their hopes and dreams are very [TS]

00:34:12   very little about the the cooking and [TS]

00:34:14   cooking is really photogenic right when [TS]

00:34:16   you have something is not photogenic at [TS]

00:34:18   all like sitting in front of a computer [TS]

00:34:20   keyboard typing it's going to be [TS]

00:34:22   entirely concentrated on the people's [TS]

00:34:24   stories and maybe the app idea because [TS]

00:34:27   the audience i use apps i know what apps [TS]

00:34:29   are like tell me your app idea kinda [TS]

00:34:31   like in the shark tank type things tell [TS]

00:34:32   me your business idea i don't want to [TS]

00:34:34   details of how you incorporate and how [TS]

00:34:36   you do accounting in your business and [TS]

00:34:37   how you run your business today I don't [TS]

00:34:39   but things that I can relate to so that [TS]

00:34:41   that is that's how reality shows work [TS]

00:34:43   it's about people's about relationships [TS]

00:34:44   to put it's about interpersonal conflict [TS]

00:34:47   uh they're probably not going to show a [TS]

00:34:48   lot of programming but they probably [TS]

00:34:50   will show here is my app idea and then [TS]

00:34:52   programming happened off camera here is [TS]

00:34:54   a phase of development program happened [TS]

00:34:57   off camera [TS]

00:34:57   here's an idea judges look at the idea [TS]

00:34:59   you know like which is kind of a shame [TS]

00:35:01   because I think a lot of people a lot of [TS]

00:35:03   energy of like i would like to see the [TS]

00:35:05   program part of people making jokes like [TS]

00:35:06   they can have activities we have to like [TS]

00:35:08   a tree factory you know controller or [TS]

00:35:10   something and change your model later [TS]

00:35:12   and like no they're not going to have [TS]

00:35:14   that we would like to see that but we [TS]

00:35:16   are very small audience you know they [TS]

00:35:17   can't do anything that's real [TS]

00:35:18   programming type stuff that has to be [TS]

00:35:21   about all about the personal drama which [TS]

00:35:22   I think Apple thinks maybe is going to [TS]

00:35:24   be like oh it shows these people in [TS]

00:35:26   there they're you know pulling [TS]

00:35:28   themselves up by their bootstraps and [TS]

00:35:29   they're going to become billionaires and [TS]

00:35:30   they have these great app ideas and [TS]

00:35:32   apples empower the world or whatever but [TS]

00:35:34   then again you have to have the the [TS]

00:35:37   drama and the drama may be really [TS]

00:35:40   entertaining and people will like the [TS]

00:35:42   program but I don't think it's going to [TS]

00:35:43   make people want to become a developer [TS]

00:35:44   and apples platforms [TS]

00:35:46   no Marco you've been pretty quiet what [TS]

00:35:47   do you think I i'm mostly don't know [TS]

00:35:50   what I think about this yet i agree with [TS]

00:35:54   what both of you said that you know I [TS]

00:35:56   KCI i agree that it is a little weird [TS]

00:35:59   sounding i'm willing to reserve judgment [TS]

00:36:02   until i see it i ate a little unclear as [TS]

00:36:05   to what kind of show it is it sounds a [TS]

00:36:08   little bit like it is kind of like a [TS]

00:36:10   shark tank or a competition show and it [TS]

00:36:13   sounds like the you get the prize is VC [TS]

00:36:18   money surprise [TS]

00:36:20   yeah like I mean so much of a prize i [TS]

00:36:22   mean like it is one of those prizes that [TS]

00:36:24   sounds like a surprise like make it big [TS]

00:36:25   it's like it's like you landed a record [TS]

00:36:27   contract like that you know American [TS]

00:36:29   Idol or the original is like you [TS]

00:36:30   congratulations you are signed to a [TS]

00:36:32   major label with a terrible deal [TS]

00:36:33   yeah fashion in Europe changed into that [TS]

00:36:36   deal you think it's a big deal when [TS]

00:36:37   you're nobody but once you realize [TS]

00:36:38   you're in it it's really not a great [TS]

00:36:40   thing I think you're right John that [TS]

00:36:43   this is mostly going to be about [TS]

00:36:44   interpersonal stories and and meet you [TS]

00:36:47   know depending on how well they do it [TS]

00:36:49   hopefully they're low on like artificial [TS]

00:36:51   drama but it i think it's mostly going [TS]

00:36:54   to be like a long version of the [TS]

00:36:56   feel-good videos they show before their [TS]

00:36:59   keynote especially [TS]

00:37:00   wdc keynotes where it's like you're you [TS]

00:37:02   know you're showing these developers all [TS]

00:37:04   over the world doing all sorts of like [TS]

00:37:06   cool things to empower themselves in the [TS]

00:37:08   people around them and you know be [TS]

00:37:11   showing all this all this like you know [TS]

00:37:12   cool stuff with accessibility and [TS]

00:37:15   diversity and everything if that's gonna [TS]

00:37:16   be what it is that's fine i don't know [TS]

00:37:19   how many people and that's an [TS]

00:37:20   infomercial that's not that's not [TS]

00:37:21   entertaining like that that's great [TS]

00:37:23   that's great for an ad and makes us feel [TS]

00:37:24   good but people are connecting a week [TS]

00:37:26   after week to watch that show right and [TS]

00:37:28   so if it's going to be some kind of if [TS]

00:37:32   you want to try to be a mass appeal show [TS]

00:37:34   like a mainstream show they're going to [TS]

00:37:36   have to have almost none of the [TS]

00:37:39   development side and two they're gonna [TS]

00:37:41   have to just make it basically american [TS]

00:37:44   idol for apps and and I or you know [TS]

00:37:47   basically shark tank and I don't expect [TS]

00:37:49   that to be good just you know it [TS]

00:37:52   instantly my gut reaction is I probably [TS]

00:37:55   won't like this and i probably won't [TS]

00:37:57   know a single person on it but that's [TS]

00:37:59   not to say that it won't be good for [TS]

00:38:02   other people I guess I mean like a lot [TS]

00:38:04   of people have asked me today whether [TS]

00:38:05   i'm going to apply to be on it and i [TS]

00:38:09   don't think i will because it like [TS]

00:38:11   against like the the endgame here like [TS]

00:38:13   what's the endgame I go through all this [TS]

00:38:15   I i get represented somehow in a way [TS]

00:38:19   that their producers edit it and it's [TS]

00:38:21   not going to be like Tim Cook editing [TS]

00:38:23   this is going to be some other you know [TS]

00:38:25   reality TV producer for everything [TS]

00:38:27   it's I'm so you know if you apply this [TS]

00:38:29   you're gonna be handing over control of [TS]

00:38:31   how you are represented to the world to [TS]

00:38:33   somebody who is probably an expert in [TS]

00:38:36   making TV drama and in in creating drama [TS]

00:38:39   where there wasn't long before to make [TS]

00:38:40   morning to watch because that's probably [TS]

00:38:42   what they did before this [TS]

00:38:43   yeah I don't think any one of us wants [TS]

00:38:45   to see the reality show character that [TS]

00:38:47   we would become if everyone else like [TS]

00:38:49   you have the input is this person and [TS]

00:38:51   then the reality show editors things [TS]

00:38:52   like all right I got a slot you in here [TS]

00:38:54   what kind of character are you so there [TS]

00:38:55   is like a kid getting a character like [TS]

00:38:57   the fair or right or they're going to [TS]

00:38:58   take whatever aspect of you think is the [TS]

00:39:00   most entertaining or makes them less [TS]

00:39:01   drama and they're going to design a [TS]

00:39:03   character with you as the input and if [TS]

00:39:06   there's anything remotely weird about [TS]

00:39:08   you and there's plenty weird about all [TS]

00:39:09   three of us we probably would not want [TS]

00:39:11   to see the reality show character that [TS]

00:39:12   we would become because we [TS]

00:39:13   we probably wouldn't be the one that [TS]

00:39:15   that is the typical hero that everybody [TS]

00:39:19   relates to and thinks is awesome [TS]

00:39:21   okay maybe it maybe Casey would be huh [TS]

00:39:23   haha never seen some of them is the [TS]

00:39:26   everyman so maybe he would be turned [TS]

00:39:28   into like the the underdog every man [TS]

00:39:30   until he refuses to take a smack in the [TS]

00:39:32   mines problems and that it's good like [TS]

00:39:33   now he's gotta hang up still yes exactly [TS]

00:39:36   good god so honest ? oh and John you as [TS]

00:39:42   well actually it so it says here [TS]

00:39:45   crap i just lost it who will be the tech [TS]

00:39:47   experts and mentors and it just says [TS]

00:39:49   this is in the faq we are excited to [TS]

00:39:51   announce our tech experts and talents in [TS]

00:39:53   the coming week stay tuned for more info [TS]

00:39:54   would you be willing to be a tech expert [TS]

00:39:57   like someone on the judging side of the [TS]

00:39:59   table as opposed to the more [TS]

00:40:01   participatory side of the table that [TS]

00:40:03   makes sense [TS]

00:40:04   mm I don't know if I would certainly be [TS]

00:40:07   more likely to consider that but [TS]

00:40:08   honestly the reality is they would never [TS]

00:40:11   ask me like I I'm surely not not not [TS]

00:40:14   even i'm not even close to famous enough [TS]

00:40:16   for that I not even in the ballpark it's [TS]

00:40:20   I wouldn't even be on the like [TS]

00:40:23   WB version of this show like I'm not [TS]

00:40:26   even close [TS]

00:40:27   and so it's not even it's that's like [TS]

00:40:29   saying like would you accept if they if [TS]

00:40:31   they offered you to be the new head of [TS]

00:40:33   the app store like well yeah I'd [TS]

00:40:35   probably consider that but they won't [TS]

00:40:36   so you know look at this is no reason to [TS]

00:40:38   really give much thought to it already [TS]

00:40:41   have started a better gig though because [TS]

00:40:42   he even though being a judge is slightly [TS]

00:40:44   better than being a participant is not [TS]

00:40:46   much better because you don't you're not [TS]

00:40:48   the showrunner you don't just make [TS]

00:40:49   editorial decisions you are just another [TS]

00:40:51   character on the show you have more free [TS]

00:40:53   rein to define your own character if [TS]

00:40:54   you're a judge but you will play a [TS]

00:40:57   character in that role and you won't [TS]

00:40:59   have control of the final edit you only [TS]

00:41:00   have control over all the decisions that [TS]

00:41:01   are made on the show so it is entirely [TS]

00:41:03   like you would be a cog in someone [TS]

00:41:05   else's machine in that situation mark [TS]

00:41:08   was really bad at being a cog in someone [TS]

00:41:09   else's machine so i think you're not [TS]

00:41:10   taking offered it to him I wouldn't take [TS]

00:41:13   it just because I wouldn't wanna be on [TS]

00:41:14   TV [TS]

00:41:15   I mean I don't even do public speaking [TS]

00:41:16   of kryolan anything i want to be a TV [TS]

00:41:17   show but I thought I can think of a lot [TS]

00:41:19   of other people who I think would be [TS]

00:41:22   good [TS]

00:41:22   celebrity judges like people who are [TS]

00:41:25   no what would fill that role well be not [TS]

00:41:28   because they're the best you know tech [TS]

00:41:30   expert or the best mentor but that's not [TS]

00:41:31   what these things are about the reality [TS]

00:41:32   shows about you have to have an [TS]

00:41:34   entertaining cast of characters [TS]

00:41:35   hopefully they have some skills and you [TS]

00:41:37   know you like and have some steak in a [TS]

00:41:40   genuine or interesting people not saying [TS]

00:41:41   they're all like a bunch of phonies but [TS]

00:41:43   that's what makes for good television so [TS]

00:41:45   you need different types to mix together [TS]

00:41:48   like I would say that you for example [TS]

00:41:50   Larry Ellison would be an interesting [TS]

00:41:52   judge in this just because he's so like [TS]

00:41:53   cartoonish the evil like the persona [TS]

00:41:56   that is the public responded that he has [TS]

00:41:57   and usually there's a spot on a reality [TS]

00:41:59   show for someone to be like the [TS]

00:42:01   cartoonishly evil mustache twisting [TS]

00:42:02   villain right so we could slot right [TS]

00:42:04   into that you know we in the various [TS]

00:42:08   messages coming around / and stuff I've [TS]

00:42:10   seen a few developed people that we know [TS]

00:42:12   consider applying as participants just [TS]

00:42:15   as a lark type of thing haven't seen [TS]

00:42:17   anyone interested in applying for judge [TS]

00:42:20   things but i think that they have to [TS]

00:42:22   call you but I have a feeling that the [TS]

00:42:25   people who would be good would also say [TS]

00:42:29   no so i think they're judging panel is [TS]

00:42:32   not going to have the brightest lights [TS]

00:42:33   every industry in it and it's gonna be [TS]

00:42:36   difficult to find to make interesting [TS]

00:42:39   characters at a well-known celebrities [TS]

00:42:41   think the best bet is to have three or [TS]

00:42:43   four people who have never heard of but [TS]

00:42:44   who turned out to be really good as just [TS]

00:42:46   as judges on a reality show [TS]

00:42:48   well it's probably gonna be like people [TS]

00:42:50   who who want or need to be in Apple's [TS]

00:42:52   good graces for Apple music promotion [TS]

00:42:54   and VC's like that it's going to be that [TS]

00:42:57   combination you're going to have a [TS]

00:42:58   couple of like probably you know b-list [TS]

00:43:00   celebrities or like you know musicians [TS]

00:43:02   who were popular five years ago like you [TS]

00:43:05   know something like that you're gonna [TS]

00:43:06   have a couple of celebrities and VC's [TS]

00:43:09   and that's good that that's the story [TS]

00:43:11   like the judges and you know it with [TS]

00:43:14   these kinda reality shows the judges are [TS]

00:43:15   often used to attract the audience you [TS]

00:43:18   know it's so that's why they try to get [TS]

00:43:20   celebrity judges because they know that [TS]

00:43:21   people will tune in to watch those [TS]

00:43:23   judges judge the apps right and then [TS]

00:43:25   you're gonna have bc is because they're [TS]

00:43:27   the ones who actually know more about [TS]

00:43:29   the business i feel like i have to point [TS]

00:43:30   out the the world that Apple is going to [TS]

00:43:33   promote here is most likely not the [TS]

00:43:36   world that like we and our [TS]

00:43:38   friends and the apps that we talk about [TS]

00:43:40   our podcast it's not the world that we [TS]

00:43:42   all live in its the other it's the the [TS]

00:43:44   entire rest of the app store where it's [TS]

00:43:46   well-known that store but it's like it's [TS]

00:43:48   it's the rest of like the big money side [TS]

00:43:49   of the app store at least where it is VC [TS]

00:43:51   funded it is driven by like these like [TS]

00:43:54   hit driven usually IEP games or things [TS]

00:43:57   like that or you know it's gonna be that [TS]

00:43:59   kind of stuff in all likelihood it's not [TS]

00:44:02   going to be like one person toiling away [TS]

00:44:05   to really polish the crap out of one [TS]

00:44:08   amazing productivity app and try to sell [TS]

00:44:10   it for 10 bucks a year that's not going [TS]

00:44:12   to be what the show is about in all [TS]

00:44:13   likelihood it's way more like that it's [TS]

00:44:15   gonna be like we're making a start going [TS]

00:44:17   to help connect people to do the this [TS]

00:44:20   amazing task together and we're gonna [TS]

00:44:21   get 10 million users in the first year [TS]

00:44:23   then figure out monetization later I [TS]

00:44:24   getting that kind of app it's not going [TS]

00:44:26   to be you know draft that I've got more [TS]

00:44:29   faith in for example a music executives [TS]

00:44:32   ability to judge musical talent to say [TS]

00:44:35   can I take this person and make an album [TS]

00:44:38   with them they will sell a lot of copies [TS]

00:44:39   that I would say is a more refined more [TS]

00:44:44   predictable aren't even though it's [TS]

00:44:45   still difficult to pick the people who [TS]

00:44:46   are good at that I feel like are much [TS]

00:44:47   better that than VC which is just a [TS]

00:44:49   bunch of people who all know nothing in [TS]

00:44:51   fact almost all have exactly the wrong [TS]

00:44:52   idea about everything right bc is like [TS]

00:44:54   two orders of magnitude more [TS]

00:44:57   unpredictable more difficult to figure [TS]

00:45:00   out what is going to be a hit [TS]

00:45:01   you know an idiot that's why bc throwing [TS]

00:45:02   money everywhere you went you know throw [TS]

00:45:04   the money at a thousand companies just [TS]

00:45:05   hoping one of them will be your magical [TS]

00:45:07   unicorn that makes you billions of [TS]

00:45:09   dollars that means you're wrong you know [TS]

00:45:11   999 times and if you like I think it [TS]

00:45:15   right that it's gonna be a bunch of [TS]

00:45:16   feces and there's nothing worse than [TS]

00:45:17   hearing bc's be like you know like I can [TS]

00:45:20   tell i'm gonna tell you you know why [TS]

00:45:22   your business is gonna like they have no [TS]

00:45:23   idea what's going to succeed what's [TS]

00:45:25   going to fail especially just a small [TS]

00:45:27   handful of BC's forget it like it's [TS]

00:45:29   gonna be hard for me to take them any of [TS]

00:45:31   them seriously like that every time they [TS]

00:45:33   have made a judgment would be like out [TS]

00:45:34   what current unicorns did you pass on [TS]

00:45:38   and tell me the 909 things that you [TS]

00:45:41   funded the thought were going to be the [TS]

00:45:42   next big thing that we're all dumb ideas [TS]

00:45:43   that fizzled out right [TS]

00:45:45   it's a lot easier to go to record [TS]

00:45:46   executive intake tell me all of the [TS]

00:45:49   people who [TS]

00:45:50   you know who turned out hits for you and [TS]

00:45:53   how many people did you take under your [TS]

00:45:55   wing that turned out to do nothing good [TS]

00:45:57   at the ratios are just so hard and in [TS]

00:45:59   venture capital for technology companies [TS]

00:46:01   that it's going to be comical I think [TS]

00:46:03   it's easier like a shark tank to come up [TS]

00:46:05   like business ideas before concrete [TS]

00:46:07   things because in the world of apps and [TS]

00:46:10   you know digital stuff and software and [TS]

00:46:13   all that it's just it's so unpredictable [TS]

00:46:15   and pretty much every idea that turns [TS]

00:46:18   out to be really big is the idea that [TS]

00:46:20   most people hate when they first get us [TS]

00:46:24   yeah I I am NOT looking forward to the [TS]

00:46:27   unbelievable complaining and moaning [TS]

00:46:30   that will happen from our community when [TS]

00:46:32   we realize as both of you have said that [TS]

00:46:34   this show was not made for us one other [TS]

00:46:36   interesting point that's on their faq [TS]

00:46:38   will i be required to give up a [TS]

00:46:40   percentage of equity answer those that [TS]

00:46:42   appear on the show will not be required [TS]

00:46:44   to give up equity unless they choose to [TS]

00:46:45   accept an offer from one of the angel [TS]

00:46:47   investor angel advisors or investors [TS]

00:46:49   which is just further reason to make me [TS]

00:46:52   believe this is basically shark tank but [TS]

00:46:54   for apps that well that's it that's good [TS]

00:46:55   to know though is that because that [TS]

00:46:57   means that the VC component is optional [TS]

00:46:59   which is nice you know that that would [TS]

00:47:01   that would make it a little more [TS]

00:47:02   interesting but then what do you win i [TS]

00:47:04   guess you win like prestige and [TS]

00:47:06   promotion by bragging rights and now [TS]

00:47:08   your name is out there and it's easier [TS]

00:47:09   for you to find funding be the guy that [TS]

00:47:10   one on the show or whatever we better [TS]

00:47:12   just a plain old cash prize like okay [TS]

00:47:14   those accepted will have a chance to [TS]

00:47:16   receive this is from the about page 1 [TS]

00:47:18   mentorship hands-on guidance from some [TS]

00:47:20   of the world's best experts in tech and [TS]

00:47:21   entertainment to funding those who make [TS]

00:47:23   it to the final round will meet with [TS]

00:47:24   top-tier vc's investing up to 10 million [TS]

00:47:27   dollars over the course of the season 3 [TS]

00:47:29   marketing promotion featured placement [TS]

00:47:31   on the app store at the end of the show [TS]

00:47:32   also the potential reach millions of [TS]

00:47:34   viewers around the world on Apple [TS]

00:47:35   platforms so that is what you're [TS]

00:47:39   potentially going to receive [TS]

00:47:40   participation in the show's limited to [TS]

00:47:42   100 of the world's most talented [TS]

00:47:43   creators if that's you please join us [TS]

00:47:46   that's a link so that that's the that's [TS]

00:47:48   the playing field that we're dealing [TS]

00:47:50   with so we get nothing they get featured [TS]

00:47:51   which happens to people free all the [TS]

00:47:53   time in the grandeur of control then [TS]

00:47:55   this is a guarantee of being future but [TS]

00:47:56   so what being featured is not going to [TS]

00:47:58   me [TS]

00:47:58   you're guaranteed to make you a [TS]

00:47:59   bazillionaire you got the VC which is [TS]

00:48:01   that like a monkey's paw if ever there [TS]

00:48:04   was one [TS]

00:48:04   you know if you really if you really do [TS]

00:48:06   have a good app idea you probably don't [TS]

00:48:08   need the VC unless your business model [TS]

00:48:09   demands a huge amount amount upfront [TS]

00:48:10   costs and you're making a deal with the [TS]

00:48:12   devil and most likely i can't imagine [TS]

00:48:14   that the best friend species are going [TS]

00:48:16   to be part of this thing and it's only [TS]

00:48:17   10 million dollars anyway and it's [TS]

00:48:19   that's up to 10 million total so each [TS]

00:48:21   app you're you're looking at you know if [TS]

00:48:23   you actually have these people invest in [TS]

00:48:25   your app how many apps are you know you [TS]

00:48:27   might get a few hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:48:28   which is that sounds like a lot of money [TS]

00:48:31   but for VC money funding an app that's [TS]

00:48:33   not that much money really yeah and and [TS]

00:48:36   then like but there's no there is no [TS]

00:48:38   like it guaranteed big like how you're [TS]

00:48:41   going to get 10 million dollars in cash [TS]

00:48:43   like guaranteed you know here you go [TS]

00:48:45   that's your prize in the show like [TS]

00:48:47   getting the end of you know game sure [TS]

00:48:48   whatever the winner will get whatever it [TS]

00:48:51   is even if it's just 1 million dollars [TS]

00:48:52   in cash i think that is would be more [TS]

00:48:55   attractive to more people because who is [TS]

00:48:58   going to read this and say I really want [TS]

00:49:01   to go on the show and I really want to [TS]

00:49:02   win [TS]

00:49:03   only somebody who doesn't have like like [TS]

00:49:07   whatever I think the reason market [TS]

00:49:08   should do is if he had a good idea for [TS]

00:49:09   an app he wouldn't spend his time trying [TS]

00:49:11   to convince a bunch of doofus vc's that [TS]

00:49:13   it's a great idea he would just make the [TS]

00:49:15   appt and he doesn't need other people to [TS]

00:49:16   help make the appt unless his ideas [TS]

00:49:18   again one of those ideas where it's like [TS]

00:49:19   I can't even get that possible the [TS]

00:49:20   ground alive millions of dollars because [TS]

00:49:22   kind of one of those things work you [TS]

00:49:24   need a critical mass before becoming [TS]

00:49:25   like uber or something if you had the [TS]

00:49:27   idea for uber like you can't really make [TS]

00:49:28   that up yourself because you need [TS]

00:49:30   drivers and people to manage them and [TS]

00:49:32   like this this much more to it to even [TS]

00:49:34   just get off the ground to get a [TS]

00:49:35   critical mass of like in one city can [TS]

00:49:37   someone actually use my apt to actually [TS]

00:49:38   get a car that's like takes a lot of [TS]

00:49:40   money just to get to that point right so [TS]

00:49:42   whoever is an example idea that you [TS]

00:49:43   would need bc 4 but for this for an app [TS]

00:49:46   that you're gonna make a show by [TS]

00:49:47   yourself just make it yourself so the [TS]

00:49:49   only people i think would be attracted [TS]

00:49:50   this or like I've never done this before [TS]

00:49:52   and this seems like a way that i can [TS]

00:49:55   become successful faster if I happened [TS]

00:49:57   to win and who knows maybe it is but I [TS]

00:49:58   just like this what I think it's gonna [TS]

00:50:00   attract new people and not people who [TS]

00:50:03   already know how to make apps because [TS]

00:50:06   while they just make the appt that like [TS]

00:50:07   why spend your time arguing to the shark [TS]

00:50:09   tank people that you have a great [TS]

00:50:11   idea just do it if it's a great idea [TS]

00:50:12   it'll be great idea because integrated [TS]

00:50:14   it won't be great idea their their [TS]

00:50:16   mentorship and their advices probably [TS]

00:50:18   not going to mean that much because [TS]

00:50:19   every successful apps had tons of people [TS]

00:50:22   tell them it's terrible idea and every [TS]

00:50:23   app that is a does had tons of people [TS]

00:50:26   tell them it's awesome so crapshoot [TS]

00:50:29   yeah i would also you know point out it [TS]

00:50:32   for anybody who has never dealt with the [TS]

00:50:33   role of VC before that when you get vc [TS]

00:50:37   investment money [TS]

00:50:38   this is not a gift this is not a prize [TS]

00:50:41   this is a massive obligation you you [TS]

00:50:44   basically higher yourselves a whole [TS]

00:50:47   bunch of bosses who really want a [TS]

00:50:50   certain a certain way of doing things [TS]

00:50:52   because you're you're taking a lot of [TS]

00:50:53   their money it again not a gift you are [TS]

00:50:56   taking a lot of their money and [TS]

00:50:58   investing it in in your company and you [TS]

00:51:01   are responsible from that point forward [TS]

00:51:03   for providing them a large return at [TS]

00:51:05   some point in the future and they're a [TS]

00:51:07   little bit impatient about when that is [TS]

00:51:08   understandably because you're taking a [TS]

00:51:10   lot of their money so if you take VC [TS]

00:51:13   money you get you basically get put on a [TS]

00:51:15   track [TS]

00:51:16   we're ok now the next step is first of [TS]

00:51:18   all you have to spend a slice of this [TS]

00:51:19   money setting up the company exactly [TS]

00:51:21   where they want you to legal fees you [TS]

00:51:23   know corporate all the stuff then you [TS]

00:51:25   have to hire staff on their time scale [TS]

00:51:27   they are going to tell you we we know we [TS]

00:51:29   want you to do this we wanted to hit [TS]

00:51:30   these growth targets and you better have [TS]

00:51:32   a plan and how you do that you better [TS]

00:51:33   show up late before we even consider it [TS]

00:51:35   it's a very high pressure track that you [TS]

00:51:40   put on that they aren't interested in [TS]

00:51:42   investing in something that is going to [TS]

00:51:44   you know bring you a hundred thousand [TS]

00:51:46   dollars a year for the next ten years as [TS]

00:51:48   a personal income they don't care about [TS]

00:51:49   that at all [TS]

00:51:50   you don't they don't want to give you [TS]

00:51:52   money out of their pocket to get that [TS]

00:51:54   kind of return [TS]

00:51:55   they're investing in you and they want [TS]

00:51:57   you to grow as big as quickly as [TS]

00:51:59   possible because there's a chance as i [TS]

00:52:01   mentioned a small chance but there is a [TS]

00:52:03   chance that if you do that you will get [TS]

00:52:05   them millions of dollars in return [TS]

00:52:07   that's how the business works that's how [TS]

00:52:09   it operates that that is what funds it [TS]

00:52:11   is those big hits that come along so [TS]

00:52:14   they aren't interested in your lifestyle [TS]

00:52:15   business them lifestyle business is a is [TS]

00:52:17   a derogatory term even though that [TS]

00:52:19   describes everything I've ever done [TS]

00:52:20   besides tumblr but they don't want that [TS]

00:52:23   because that's not what [TS]

00:52:24   their money you know that's not your too [TS]

00:52:26   risky taking their money to just try to [TS]

00:52:29   do that they need big things out of you [TS]

00:52:30   and so the pressure will be on you from [TS]

00:52:32   that moment forward to make your thing [TS]

00:52:34   big and huge and grow very quickly and [TS]

00:52:37   take over the world and Edward please [TS]

00:52:39   try to their goal is to make you burn [TS]

00:52:41   through that money really quickly [TS]

00:52:43   because they want you to be spending it [TS]

00:52:45   on growth on hiring people on scaling on [TS]

00:52:48   acquiring new users or whatever the case [TS]

00:52:50   maybe they want you to be burning about [TS]

00:52:52   money quickly and unsustainably because [TS]

00:52:54   they know if you hit that growth you can [TS]

00:52:55   always get more VC money you can raise [TS]

00:52:57   additional rounds if you're going if [TS]

00:52:59   you're not growing you'll crash and burn [TS]

00:53:01   they don't care they move on there are [TS]

00:53:02   advantages to the system there's lots of [TS]

00:53:04   things that require this kind of funding [TS]

00:53:06   to really get off the ground but this is [TS]

00:53:09   what they're rewarding you with with the [TS]

00:53:13   triple that that is the path that [TS]

00:53:15   they're trying to put you on here and it [TS]

00:53:17   might work for you and it might not but [TS]

00:53:19   if you're the kind of person like me who [TS]

00:53:21   prefers to do things like independently [TS]

00:53:22   as quote lifestyle businesses and just [TS]

00:53:25   have things that are sustainable over [TS]

00:53:26   long periods [TS]

00:53:27   this is not for you I think the one [TS]

00:53:29   upside potentially is that the only [TS]

00:53:31   reason VCR on this program is not that [TS]

00:53:33   they have any expectation that the [TS]

00:53:35   winner is going to return investment [TS]

00:53:36   like in fact I I think they'll be less [TS]

00:53:38   pressure on the winner because I think [TS]

00:53:41   the main reason feces are on the show is [TS]

00:53:42   to increase their stature in the vc [TS]

00:53:44   community like oh you were the judge on [TS]

00:53:46   that show and like during the course of [TS]

00:53:47   the judging they're going to try to [TS]

00:53:48   demonstrate how wise they are and how [TS]

00:53:51   how knowledgeable they are about the [TS]

00:53:53   market and how they can judge good ideas [TS]

00:53:54   from bad in an effort to get more people [TS]

00:53:56   to come to them and you know like [TS]

00:53:58   they're there they're basically doing is [TS]

00:54:00   a giant advertisement advertisement for [TS]

00:54:01   themselves to become more prominent be [TS]

00:54:04   more powerful vc's right and the fact [TS]

00:54:06   that they're going to give some winner [TS]

00:54:07   of some amount of money i think there's [TS]

00:54:10   less pressure on them because they feel [TS]

00:54:11   like even when this thing does not give [TS]

00:54:13   me any return on investment me starring [TS]

00:54:15   on this show will be that's the best the [TS]

00:54:18   real return on investment i'm getting [TS]

00:54:20   that I get to do this one thing for a [TS]

00:54:21   short period of time and it will raise [TS]

00:54:23   my profile in the vc community provided [TS]

00:54:26   I you know i play my cards right and end [TS]

00:54:28   up not being the doofus judge that [TS]

00:54:29   everybody hates or what ever heard [TS]

00:54:31   looks like they don't know what they're [TS]

00:54:32   doing right so that little bit of return [TS]

00:54:35   takes a little bit of pressure off the [TS]

00:54:37   person who wins to say oh you know [TS]

00:54:38   whatever do whatever you're going to do [TS]

00:54:40   with your business but I feel like I [TS]

00:54:41   already got my money's worth by hit by [TS]

00:54:43   getting my name out there on this TV [TS]

00:54:45   show one thing i'm also really curious [TS]

00:54:47   to see just creatively about this show [TS]

00:54:49   is a lot of the challenges of app [TS]

00:54:53   development and a lot of what makes it a [TS]

00:54:55   really tough grind is things about Apple [TS]

00:54:57   that are bad and like how how are they [TS]

00:55:01   going to frame this exactly like how how [TS]

00:55:03   are they going to you know are they are [TS]

00:55:05   they even going to try to accurately [TS]

00:55:07   portray what it is like being a [TS]

00:55:09   developer the good and the bad and the [TS]

00:55:11   bad that is it that is a result of Apple [TS]

00:55:13   shortcomings or or Apple's policies or [TS]

00:55:15   Apple's attitude [TS]

00:55:16   they're going to paper over that like [TS]

00:55:18   how did a paper over that no way that is [TS]

00:55:19   at all genuine and then what's what how [TS]

00:55:22   valuable is the resulting show really [TS]

00:55:24   like I don't think they're gonna show [TS]

00:55:25   them submitting their apps the apps are [TS]

00:55:27   because they're gonna say whoever wins [TS]

00:55:29   whoever wins this thing Apple will make [TS]

00:55:31   sure that their app gets through the app [TS]

00:55:32   store they will work privately [TS]

00:55:34   individually with the winner to do [TS]

00:55:36   whatever it takes to fix and boxing bugs [TS]

00:55:38   and i will all happen off-camera and [TS]

00:55:40   it's just like don't worry when you're [TS]

00:55:42   done your Apple be up on the app store [TS]

00:55:43   they're never going to show the process [TS]

00:55:45   of submitting and getting your a [TS]

00:55:46   projected and then getting like these [TS]

00:55:48   form letters back and trying to explain [TS]

00:55:49   no you don't understand I'm not opening [TS]

00:55:51   that file is something in your framework [TS]

00:55:52   is game over [TS]

00:55:53   sorry your front like they're never [TS]

00:55:55   going to show that right good at is too [TS]

00:55:57   esoteric and be that entire part of the [TS]

00:56:00   process is going to be just like hand [TS]

00:56:02   waved away was like it'll just be like a [TS]

00:56:04   sense of the other thing and your app [TS]

00:56:06   will be in the app star eventually cause [TS]

00:56:08   you know you don't definitely map store [TS]

00:56:10   until you're essentially the winner [TS]

00:56:11   right so it's not as if they need to be [TS]

00:56:12   constantly submitting it says here the [TS]

00:56:14   faq how far along in the development [TS]

00:56:16   process my app have to be the app must [TS]

00:56:18   be in a beta or functional state-backed [TS]

00:56:21   over 21 so that does not by necessity [TS]

00:56:23   means need mean it needs to be in the [TS]

00:56:25   app store so I was wrong about that well [TS]

00:56:27   anyway that part of the process will be [TS]

00:56:29   like it will be if you don't know what [TS]

00:56:31   submitting the app store is like it will [TS]

00:56:32   seem like it's just as simple as sending [TS]

00:56:34   something in the mail to somebody oh you [TS]

00:56:36   just submitted to the app store like I [TS]

00:56:37   can't imagine they would focus on [TS]

00:56:39   rejection right and I mean unless they [TS]

00:56:41   want to make that the dramatic [TS]

00:56:43   the program to show your apples rejected [TS]

00:56:45   because it crashed just like it's your [TS]

00:56:46   fault like none of it is if they do that [TS]

00:56:48   at all [TS]

00:56:48   it's not going to be shown to be apple's [TS]

00:56:50   fault any of the rejections will not be [TS]

00:56:51   a misunderstanding apples are just be [TS]

00:56:53   like oh you're I've got rejected from [TS]

00:56:54   store because it crashes every viewer [TS]

00:56:56   can understand that Oh youyou did that [TS]

00:56:58   was your mistake [TS]

00:56:59   apple is perfect and nice and they would [TS]

00:57:01   never reject her out for any reason [TS]

00:57:02   except for because it doesn't work right [TS]

00:57:04   it's malicious or crashes yeah i mean [TS]

00:57:06   this is this is the kind of thing where [TS]

00:57:08   just creatively it seems like it would [TS]

00:57:11   probably have way better chances of [TS]

00:57:13   being a good show [TS]

00:57:14   if Apple wasn't involved in it but [TS]

00:57:16   unfortunately this is an apple produce [TS]

00:57:19   show you look at some companies and [TS]

00:57:21   they're able to like be producers of [TS]

00:57:22   things but still have jokes made it [TS]

00:57:24   their expense or have themselves made [TS]

00:57:26   look bad apple is not one of these [TS]

00:57:28   companies Apple does not have any flex [TS]

00:57:33   on like the sense of humor about itself [TS]

00:57:35   and its own flaws like they would never [TS]

00:57:38   in a million years produce something [TS]

00:57:41   like this that would show any part of [TS]

00:57:43   them in a bad light [TS]

00:57:44   so is this really going to be watchable [TS]

00:57:48   or is it going to just seemed like an [TS]

00:57:50   overly long WC promotion video we'll see [TS]

00:57:55   so that actually is a nice segue to what [TS]

00:57:56   I was going to bring up I noticed at the [TS]

00:57:59   bottom of at least a couple of the pages [TS]

00:58:01   on planet of the apps com it says [TS]

00:58:04   something about prospect productions and [TS]

00:58:05   so I did a smidge of digging and i [TS]

00:58:07   believe i've come up with the right [TS]

00:58:09   prospect productions and this is [TS]

00:58:11   prospect production calm and if you go [TS]

00:58:12   to prospect production calm / works you [TS]

00:58:15   can see some of the stuff they've done [TS]

00:58:16   in the past in much to my surprise a [TS]

00:58:19   large majority of what they've worked on [TS]

00:58:23   is sports-related so just looking at the [TS]

00:58:26   the sections they have there's a music [TS]

00:58:30   video by James pit Taylor but it's the [TS]

00:58:32   angels at Fenway which is a baseball [TS]

00:58:34   stadium [TS]

00:58:35   there's some there's not a translation [TS]

00:58:37   which I figured you'd be confused [TS]

00:58:39   there's an on the trail section that [TS]

00:58:41   that a that is not sports-related but [TS]

00:58:43   then there's legendary which is about [TS]

00:58:45   sports 3430 shorts which is sports [TS]

00:58:47   victory journal such power 8 sports [TS]

00:58:49   major league soccer major league soccer [TS]

00:58:51   insider something unrelated ESPN Sunday [TS]

00:58:54   Night Baseball and so there's [TS]

00:58:56   all sorts of sports related stuff and [TS]

00:58:58   then some stuff with the huffington post [TS]

00:58:59   as well so it is not excluded or their [TS]

00:59:02   histories not exclusively sports but [TS]

00:59:04   seems overwhelmingly to be sport-related [TS]

00:59:08   which i think is a good thing because [TS]

00:59:12   that'll probably i'm hoping that all [TS]

00:59:15   they'll understand how to make something [TS]

00:59:17   that sometimes is inherently boring like [TS]

00:59:19   baseball into something exciting so [TS]

00:59:21   maybe they can make something else [TS]

00:59:22   that's inherently boring like [TS]

00:59:23   development into something exciting [TS]

00:59:25   which would be neat sports the way [TS]

00:59:27   easier to make exciting because it's a [TS]

00:59:29   competition and there's winners and [TS]

00:59:30   losers and points scored and what there [TS]

00:59:32   is here [TS]

00:59:33   sort of yeah but that is artificially a [TS]

00:59:35   competition it [TS]

00:59:36   no it's not a zero-sum game where [TS]

00:59:38   there's a winner and loser in the app [TS]

00:59:39   store like a baseball game is where [TS]

00:59:41   there's two teams face off and one is [TS]

00:59:42   going to win was going to lose or it's [TS]

00:59:45   gonna get rained out a bit like sports [TS]

00:59:48   are so much easier to make dramatic like [TS]

00:59:50   we've all the all those sort of like [TS]

00:59:52   long segments that were on the olympics [TS]

00:59:53   where they tell you the back story in [TS]

00:59:55   what hometown the person came from and [TS]

00:59:57   how long she trained and she woke up at [TS]

00:59:58   5am for years [TS]

00:59:58   5am for years [TS]

01:00:00   and she overcame this and whatever [TS]

01:00:01   parents died and then she's like that's [TS]

01:00:03   so easy to do in terms of personal drama [TS]

01:00:06   and because like all of the Anakin will [TS]

01:00:08   they get the gold medal will they win [TS]

01:00:10   will vanquish their rivals every one of [TS]

01:00:12   these sports has a clear like first [TS]

01:00:14   second third fourth place you know gold [TS]

01:00:16   silver bronze app development is not [TS]

01:00:18   like that like yeah you know it's the [TS]

01:00:21   job set for apples to see Marcus doesn't [TS]

01:00:23   have to lose and for you to win only in [TS]

01:00:25   this artificial reality show do your [TS]

01:00:27   other app developers have to lose in [TS]

01:00:28   reality for you to win you don't have to [TS]

01:00:30   sabotage your other app developers by [TS]

01:00:33   adding stray semicolon source code [TS]

01:00:35   whatever responses might buy betterment [TS]

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01:01:33   listener Rob Travis is written in via [TS]

01:01:37   Twitter and i'm quoting I had the same [TS]

01:01:40   random reboot problem with a new 5k imac [TS]

01:01:42   and 32 gigs of odbc ram owc swap the ram [TS]

01:01:47   and it has not happened since boom that [TS]

01:01:50   may or may not have anything to do with [TS]

01:01:51   my issue but i'm claiming it is as fact [TS]

01:01:54   that that's the problem anyway let's [TS]

01:01:56   move on before yell at me [TS]

01:01:57   let's talk about poke it poke game on go [TS]

01:02:00   it's not pokemons right is pokemon i [TS]

01:02:01   think something like that i have no idea [TS]

01:02:03   what you're trying to make us forget [TS]

01:02:04   about the GPU freezes at what's [TS]

01:02:06   happening now [TS]

01:02:07   yeah pretty much moving on so we could [TS]

01:02:09   be multiple issues [TS]

01:02:11   dammit youtube I soap oh c'mon Go is a [TS]

01:02:14   new kind of augmented reality kind of [TS]

01:02:18   not game that came out I guess the last [TS]

01:02:21   week and I i'm not really sure what to [TS]

01:02:25   make of it have either of you guys [TS]

01:02:27   installed and or plated good talk so [TS]

01:02:30   this for me because they all thought [TS]

01:02:32   three of us that i would imagine and [TS]

01:02:33   none of us have installed or played this [TS]

01:02:35   game so the only thing we can talk about [TS]

01:02:37   is the phenomenon that we observe from [TS]

01:02:39   the outside of other people installing [TS]

01:02:41   and playing this you know I've played it [TS]

01:02:43   oh you have you haven't known that [TS]

01:02:45   surprises me have you did you play any [TS]

01:02:46   other pokemon games i did not in fact [TS]

01:02:49   also plugging my appearance on clockwise [TS]

01:02:51   145 because we talk about this today as [TS]

01:02:53   well when I was in high school in early [TS]

01:02:56   on in college I worked at Babbage's [TS]

01:02:59   which was kind of like Electronics [TS]

01:03:01   Boutique it was basically a video game [TS]

01:03:02   software store and this was around the [TS]

01:03:05   time that pokemon cards were popular and [TS]

01:03:09   this was a collectible card game much [TS]

01:03:10   like match the Gathering which is [TS]

01:03:12   popular [TS]

01:03:12   well more popular for a couple years [TS]

01:03:14   prior and so every day when i when i was [TS]

01:03:18   working at least every weekday when i [TS]

01:03:20   was working in the evenings are [TS]

01:03:22   afternoon rather the phones would light [TS]

01:03:25   up as soon as the elementary and middle [TS]

01:03:28   schools got were let out and it would go [TS]

01:03:31   approx like this bring hi thanks for [TS]

01:03:34   going Babbage's is Casey how can I help [TS]

01:03:36   you do you have any pokemon cards [TS]

01:03:38   nope sorry were sold out try again in a [TS]

01:03:40   week bring do you have any pokemon cards [TS]

01:03:43   no I'm sorry was that was like [TS]

01:03:45   three hours of work was just answering [TS]

01:03:47   the nonstop phone for people looking for [TS]

01:03:49   pokemon cards I don't like it when [TS]

01:03:51   people say that they had PTSD about [TS]

01:03:53   things that are not stressful and so i [TS]

01:03:55   won't say that but let's just say I am [TS]

01:03:57   predisposed to not like pokemon that [TS]

01:03:59   being said I've installed the game and I [TS]

01:04:00   can see why would be fun [TS]

01:04:02   you ever play that did you ever play the [TS]

01:04:03   card game when you were working there I [TS]

01:04:05   did not and I've never played the video [TS]

01:04:06   game either [TS]

01:04:07   so this is your very first pokemon game [TS]

01:04:08   and i'm assuming the only reason you [TS]

01:04:10   downloaded is because it's so popular [TS]

01:04:12   and you're seeing everything about other [TS]

01:04:13   people yes and then because you have a [TS]

01:04:15   phone and I can run that game [TS]

01:04:17   precisely and I i was vaguely familiar [TS]

01:04:21   with the kind of the premise of the game [TS]

01:04:24   very very vaguely I know you have to [TS]

01:04:25   collect these little monster things and [TS]

01:04:27   like you fight the monster things i [TS]

01:04:29   think it doesn't matter if I'm wrong you [TS]

01:04:32   don't have to write incorrect me I'm [TS]

01:04:33   just telling you what I thought at the [TS]

01:04:34   time and so I've installed the game and [TS]

01:04:37   it doesn't tell me a whole lot more [TS]

01:04:39   about what purpose if everything is but [TS]

01:04:42   I like the cat gamey meat if you to [TS]

01:04:43   explain to you what [TS]

01:04:45   oh god hi Dante random and unexpected [TS]

01:04:48   John said my name is that i have heerd [TS]

01:04:51   perfect i summoned re if you say her [TS]

01:04:53   name was she appears no no you say it [TS]

01:04:55   into the mirror at night I thought I [TS]

01:04:57   thought it was three but you but it [TS]

01:04:59   would be wrong of me to compare you to [TS]

01:05:00   be able to use apologies for being so [TS]

01:05:02   confused that was like really great [TS]

01:05:04   timing I was not prepared for that and [TS]

01:05:06   we were not warned [TS]

01:05:07   well i figured i replace myself with [TS]

01:05:09   tiff because i have installed the game [TS]

01:05:10   but she has so I quit here sniff hey [TS]

01:05:14   okay so but to set you up to since I [TS]

01:05:17   presume you haven't heard much of what [TS]

01:05:19   we were just talking about basically I [TS]

01:05:20   just heard you talking that you you [TS]

01:05:22   worked in a store and there were cards [TS]

01:05:24   and yeah okay okay so tell me what is [TS]

01:05:27   the purpose of pokemon go because I [TS]

01:05:29   played enough that i think i understand [TS]

01:05:30   it but I probably do not understand it [TS]

01:05:32   as well as you do [TS]

01:05:33   from what I understand is that you went [TS]

01:05:36   around the fuck you gather pokemon and [TS]

01:05:39   they have different points and then [TS]

01:05:41   there are gyms at public places that you [TS]

01:05:44   can go to and you form teams with people [TS]

01:05:46   and once you are certain level you're [TS]

01:05:49   able to train at the gym and you can [TS]

01:05:52   train your pokemon to get more hit [TS]

01:05:53   points and then you can fight other [TS]

01:05:56   pokemon and it [TS]

01:05:57   your kind of goal is to take control of [TS]

01:05:59   the gym from other teams so you can like [TS]

01:06:02   at different types of times of day one [TS]

01:06:06   team can show up take control the gym [TS]

01:06:07   with like a really high level pokemon if [TS]

01:06:10   then they leave it because you can't [TS]

01:06:11   stick around you have to be at the [TS]

01:06:13   location in order to play at the gym and [TS]

01:06:15   then so they leave and another team can [TS]

01:06:18   come in and take control the gym also so [TS]

01:06:21   it's kind of like a locational strategy [TS]

01:06:23   kind of thing I don't know my experience [TS]

01:06:25   from pokemon before was the card game my [TS]

01:06:28   brother played it when he was young [TS]

01:06:30   because i was just a little bit too old [TS]

01:06:32   for it i just missed it and then I [TS]

01:06:34   remember he used to watch the TV show so [TS]

01:06:36   I do remember that so I think it's kind [TS]

01:06:38   of like the TV show that's right i [TS]

01:06:40   forgot there was a TV show ya what they [TS]

01:06:41   are tuned right so right i forgot about [TS]

01:06:44   that [TS]

01:06:45   yeah i mean i was playing it Marco got [TS]

01:06:47   pretty pissed with me on the walk the [TS]

01:06:49   other day because I kept stopping to [TS]

01:06:51   catch pokemon and he's like this is the [TS]

01:06:53   worst walk he was getting so mad mikey [TS]

01:06:55   to chill was like nothing nothing is [TS]

01:06:59   worse than if you are trying to walk [TS]

01:07:02   somewhere with somebody else who is [TS]

01:07:04   playing pokemon girls what I mean come [TS]

01:07:06   on it's not like every walking running [TS]

01:07:08   around playing pokemon but i was driving [TS]

01:07:10   today seeing this kid like kind of [TS]

01:07:12   wandering on the side of the road [TS]

01:07:13   it says right in the beginning of the [TS]

01:07:15   game like please be aware of your [TS]

01:07:16   surroundings because like people walk [TS]

01:07:18   into poles and stuff apparently while [TS]

01:07:19   playing this and some driving and I'm [TS]

01:07:22   like watching this kid kinda like swervy [TS]

01:07:25   walking next to the road my god this kid [TS]

01:07:27   totally playing pokemon go and I Drive [TS]

01:07:30   fast really slow he's reading a book [TS]

01:07:32   like a real book I thought that was even [TS]

01:07:34   more strange than poking around read a [TS]

01:07:37   real book but anyway goodness sake my [TS]

01:07:40   night has so have you any so have you [TS]

01:07:42   displayed yet [TS]

01:07:43   yes so I have an apparently gianmarco if [TS]

01:07:46   not and it's funny you talk about Marco [TS]

01:07:48   getting frustrated during the walk [TS]

01:07:50   because in the evenings for the last few [TS]

01:07:51   weeks I've been taking Declan on a walk [TS]

01:07:53   and giving Aaron a little time to [TS]

01:07:55   herself because she's been with him all [TS]

01:07:56   day and today i had my phone out just [TS]

01:07:59   kind of periodically glancing to see if [TS]

01:08:01   there are any Pokemon nearby and at one [TS]

01:08:02   point there was and so I stopped long [TS]

01:08:04   enough to catch it and I hear this [TS]

01:08:06   little voice from the stroller in front [TS]

01:08:07   of me [TS]

01:08:08   push push [TS]

01:08:09   and you're telling me and telling me [TS]

01:08:11   basically would you get the show on the [TS]

01:08:12   road i'm tired of standing still see so [TS]

01:08:15   even Declan was frustrated so what level [TS]

01:08:18   are you shoot i don't know i meanwhile [TS]

01:08:20   let me keep running my mouth look but [TS]

01:08:22   honestly I just got to level 5 so that [TS]

01:08:24   means I get to go to the gym so I'm [TS]

01:08:26   pretty psyched [TS]

01:08:26   oh you are ahead of me so what's [TS]

01:08:28   fascinating in all kidding aside like [TS]

01:08:30   whether or not you find the game to be [TS]

01:08:32   interesting or worthwhile this [TS]

01:08:33   collective you what's fascinating to me [TS]

01:08:35   about this game is that it's got several [TS]

01:08:37   different very interesting components [TS]

01:08:38   all-in-one I am level 3 by the way it's [TS]

01:08:41   got several different components that [TS]

01:08:42   are new all rolled and such and you [TS]

01:08:44   could never hold into one so there's the [TS]

01:08:48   location awareness sort of thing and [TS]

01:08:50   this is what if was talking about [TS]

01:08:51   earlier there are gyms and there was a [TS]

01:08:53   pokey pokey stops yeah that's where you [TS]

01:08:55   can pick up pokeballs or you can get [TS]

01:08:57   eggs there and eggs you have to do you [TS]

01:09:00   know about the x-jet like the egg I've [TS]

01:09:02   been told about them [TS]

01:09:03   what language is this again this is [TS]

01:09:05   nowhere near destiny so don't even start [TS]

01:09:07   your whining but what I find great about [TS]

01:09:08   it is that you have to actually walk to [TS]

01:09:12   physical locations to do these things [TS]

01:09:13   and you have to be at the location for a [TS]

01:09:15   certain amount of time so just driving [TS]

01:09:17   around you can't hit up all of these [TS]

01:09:19   things because by the time you're [TS]

01:09:21   driving past in kind of the flow of [TS]

01:09:23   traffic [TS]

01:09:24   you can't have to spin the Polka stops [TS]

01:09:28   in order to collect the pokeballs to [TS]

01:09:30   catch your Pokemon way just to clarify [TS]

01:09:32   when you were out driving today were you [TS]

01:09:33   trying to play pokemon to test all this [TS]

01:09:35   up [TS]

01:09:35   not while I was driving I mean but while [TS]

01:09:38   other people were driving like when I [TS]

01:09:39   went to target any of the other day I [TS]

01:09:41   was like I'm totally gonna try and play [TS]

01:09:43   pokemon while we're driving and pretend [TS]

01:09:45   I was listening to what we were talking [TS]

01:09:46   about haha right now I tried it and it [TS]

01:09:50   didn't work inside my phone away like a [TS]

01:09:51   gentleman [TS]

01:09:52   wow so he said to build on what it was [TS]

01:09:55   saying so there's these paki stops where [TS]

01:09:58   you can like tip said you can collect [TS]

01:10:00   items and whatnot and then there's the [TS]

01:10:01   gyms where you can get into right is a [TS]

01:10:03   coil rumbles with other people and then [TS]

01:10:06   as you're walking around you can just [TS]

01:10:07   stumble upon the pokemon these pocket [TS]

01:10:09   monsters or whatever they are but what's [TS]

01:10:11   fascinating to me about this is that [TS]

01:10:12   there's this real world component to it [TS]

01:10:14   that you can well okay yes I'm sure [TS]

01:10:16   there's a way to cheat but if you play [TS]

01:10:18   the game the way it's intended to be [TS]

01:10:20   played [TS]

01:10:21   can't just sit there in your house and [TS]

01:10:22   collect a bunch of pokemon and and part [TS]

01:10:24   of the fun of the game besides this [TS]

01:10:26   whole gym and team vs team competition [TS]

01:10:28   if i understand it right part of the [TS]

01:10:30   part of the fun of the game is [TS]

01:10:32   collecting all these different Pokemon [TS]

01:10:34   gotta catch em all gotta catch em all [TS]

01:10:35   that's right so you so you have to get [TS]

01:10:38   off your butt and walk around in order [TS]

01:10:40   to catch them all and apparently the [TS]

01:10:42   ones that are water oriented I guess [TS]

01:10:44   there's some like fish asked once or [TS]

01:10:47   something like that something you can [TS]

01:10:48   tell are designed to their their [TS]

01:10:50   animated in such a way that they look [TS]

01:10:51   like they belong around water [TS]

01:10:53   well apparently you have to go to a [TS]

01:10:55   small body of water generally speaking [TS]

01:10:57   to find these pokemon not to say have to [TS]

01:10:59   go to the ocean just have to go to like [TS]

01:11:00   a little pond or a lake or river what [TS]

01:11:02   have you tiff might have diverted our [TS]

01:11:04   walk to go past a pool to see if that [TS]

01:11:06   counted [TS]

01:11:07   yeah I might have done that exactly also [TS]

01:11:08   tell you please don't look for pokemon [TS]

01:11:10   in volcanoes because there are fire [TS]

01:11:12   pokemon please do not try and go into [TS]

01:11:15   volcanoes to find pokemon so the thing [TS]

01:11:17   about the thing that i find fascinating [TS]

01:11:18   whether or not you think this is a [TS]

01:11:19   complete like waste of time i candidly I [TS]

01:11:22   never tried the cat game I never [TS]

01:11:23   everything I solve it just looks stupid [TS]

01:11:26   to me cackles amazing [TS]

01:11:27   shut your face and hey other people have [TS]

01:11:30   their people enjoy that's fine you'd [TS]

01:11:31   like what you like that's fine [TS]

01:11:33   whether or not you collective you think [TS]

01:11:35   that pokemon is interesting or fun or [TS]

01:11:37   what have you [TS]

01:11:38   I still think it's fascinating that it [TS]

01:11:40   has these different aspects right so it [TS]

01:11:42   has the collectible aspect where you [TS]

01:11:44   want to try to catch em all [TS]

01:11:45   it has the real world tie-in that you [TS]

01:11:49   have to go places in order to play it [TS]

01:11:51   has the team vs team it's us against [TS]

01:11:54   them aspect at the gyms and it's all of [TS]

01:11:57   these different things all rolled [TS]

01:11:58   together which is I think what makes it [TS]

01:12:00   so fascinating and so interesting and [TS]

01:12:02   and the tipster the in the chat is [TS]

01:12:04   joking hey cases learning what a video [TS]

01:12:06   game is but I used to be a pretty pretty [TS]

01:12:09   frequent videogamer way long ago and i [TS]

01:12:12   personally have not witnessed a game [TS]

01:12:14   that got all of these different pieces [TS]

01:12:16   connected together even vaguely similar [TS]

01:12:19   to the way this was except apparently [TS]

01:12:21   what was the name of the game it but [TS]

01:12:23   there was a predecessor for this like [TS]

01:12:24   infuse or no not confusing dress [TS]

01:12:26   thank you ingress and another one of the [TS]

01:12:29   things that I that I find so fascinating [TS]

01:12:31   about this game is that you [TS]

01:12:34   new in the areas in which i work for [TS]

01:12:37   example it knew of some landmarks that [TS]

01:12:40   are relevant to people who know the area [TS]

01:12:43   really well but are completely [TS]

01:12:46   unremarkable and relevant to anyone that [TS]

01:12:48   isn't something that doesn't leave for [TS]

01:12:51   work in the area in which i live in work [TS]

01:12:53   and I i was wondering earlier on Twitter [TS]

01:12:55   like how did they come up with these [TS]

01:12:57   different spots for the gyms and for the [TS]

01:13:00   pokey stops and whatnot and apparently [TS]

01:13:03   the same company that did pretty much [TS]

01:13:05   all of the work for this game whose name [TS]

01:13:08   I'm also forgetting John niantic yeah I [TS]

01:13:10   think that's right my antique thank you [TS]

01:13:12   apparently ingress was a very very very [TS]

01:13:14   similar game that they had done in the [TS]

01:13:17   past and involved in that from what I'm [TS]

01:13:20   told and again that actual particulars [TS]

01:13:22   don't really matter the gist of it [TS]

01:13:24   though is that you could as a player in [TS]

01:13:26   the game submit like locations and [TS]

01:13:29   whatnot and and from what I've [TS]

01:13:30   understood they took all of that data [TS]

01:13:32   and turned all of those points of [TS]

01:13:34   interest that were that were made by [TS]

01:13:36   people playing this game local players [TS]

01:13:38   playing this game and turn those into [TS]

01:13:40   the gyms and the pokey stops and whatnot [TS]

01:13:42   and again the game on an awful stick [TS]

01:13:44   with it it's certainly one of those like [TS]

01:13:46   everyone's talking about it so I feel [TS]

01:13:48   like I'm missing out if I don't also [TS]

01:13:50   participate lightly and you should hear [TS]

01:13:52   the conversations at work about it but I [TS]

01:13:54   just find this combination of all these [TS]

01:13:56   different pieces cut early fascinating [TS]

01:13:58   so I've been talking a long time [TS]

01:14:00   Marco if John questions or thoughts i [TS]

01:14:03   don't know i will bring up something [TS]

01:14:04   Marco brought up in the car today when [TS]

01:14:07   we were talking was about how perfect of [TS]

01:14:09   a time for this game to be released [TS]

01:14:11   right it's summer kids are off [TS]

01:14:14   it's beautiful weather like you can be [TS]

01:14:16   outside it's just it's fantastic you if [TS]

01:14:19   we see a whole bunch of people gathered [TS]

01:14:21   at different locations all over town [TS]

01:14:23   playing this game it the the release [TS]

01:14:26   timing for this couldn't have been [TS]

01:14:28   better [TS]

01:14:28   yeah i agree and like nothing else is [TS]

01:14:30   going on there's no other major releases [TS]

01:14:32   there's no major news happening no one [TS]

01:14:34   else really have anything to do a lot of [TS]

01:14:35   people taking vacation anyway [TS]

01:14:37   it really is an amazing time release [TS]

01:14:39   here and like I just want to say like in [TS]

01:14:42   general my thoughts on this [TS]

01:14:44   having only seen screenshots over for a [TS]

01:14:46   second here and there [TS]

01:14:47   I'd like to have tried to show me how [TS]

01:14:49   she like threw pokeballs a pokémon's [TS]

01:14:52   try to poke it into her phone so I don't [TS]

01:14:54   know how the sport doesn't really matter [TS]

01:14:56   sorry however it works this game like [TS]

01:15:01   just seeing what it's doing the people [TS]

01:15:03   in the world just makes me happy it's [TS]

01:15:05   just a very delightful feeling because [TS]

01:15:07   seeing that is getting the people [TS]

01:15:09   outside walking around gathering [TS]

01:15:11   together oftentimes with strangers and [TS]

01:15:13   just like sitting and having a peaceful [TS]

01:15:14   fun time that in real life in person [TS]

01:15:18   that is very rare that kind of like to [TS]

01:15:21   have a kind of effect and the fact that [TS]

01:15:23   just took off so quickly over the [TS]

01:15:24   weekend like it just boom all this on [TS]

01:15:26   everyone's doing this [TS]

01:15:27   that's just really delightful and it's [TS]

01:15:29   it is like a nice happy like human [TS]

01:15:31   interest story and I i really liked [TS]

01:15:33   seeing that I mean their moms walking up [TS]

01:15:35   and down the street with strollers just [TS]

01:15:36   like you Casey who are playing pokemon [TS]

01:15:39   go you know anything like everyone is [TS]

01:15:41   playing and people start talking to each [TS]

01:15:42   other about it and you notice someone [TS]

01:15:44   else playing it and you talk to them and [TS]

01:15:46   you're like just kind of Pokemon over [TS]

01:15:48   here did you see that one not a lot you [TS]

01:15:50   know I don't really care what I'm [TS]

01:15:53   catching or catching them all i don't i [TS]

01:15:55   don't really but I don't know I just [TS]

01:15:56   kind of want to play because everyone [TS]

01:15:57   else is doing it so have you guys put [TS]

01:15:59   any money into the game [TS]

01:16:00   not yet I haven't no no you get a lot of [TS]

01:16:03   stuff just by walking around and hangout [TS]

01:16:05   spots and spending the little doodad and [TS]

01:16:08   plus like you have to incubate the eggs [TS]

01:16:09   there's a lot to do before you have to [TS]

01:16:11   put money into it and he had to walk in [TS]

01:16:13   order to incubate the egg so it gives [TS]

01:16:16   you a distance it that you have to move [TS]

01:16:18   so it kind of keeps you busy [TS]

01:16:20   I'm keep wondering like I realize about [TS]

01:16:22   the money as I wonder what the total [TS]

01:16:24   like that the net new trainers will be [TS]

01:16:26   to use a business east at the guess a [TS]

01:16:29   lot of people are into this game now but [TS]

01:16:30   if you were already into pokemon you [TS]

01:16:33   don't count because you're going to buy [TS]

01:16:34   a new pokemon games where they come out [TS]

01:16:36   anyway so those people already party it [TS]

01:16:38   you know and this is just invested in [TS]

01:16:40   the franchise right if you're not [TS]

01:16:43   invested in it [TS]

01:16:44   tons of people who have never played [TS]

01:16:46   when we have people who've never been in [TS]

01:16:47   2.4 cries out because its a thing people [TS]

01:16:49   doing it's a fun thing to do but i'm [TS]

01:16:53   wondering if those people are going to [TS]

01:16:54   be the type of people who put mine to [TS]

01:16:55   the game like I don't know how the game [TS]

01:16:56   is structured as a structured in a way [TS]

01:16:58   that you can if you're just like I've [TS]

01:16:59   never played pokemon game and [TS]

01:17:01   like to seriously into it but it's kind [TS]

01:17:02   of a fun thing to do and i'll just keep [TS]

01:17:04   doing it [TS]

01:17:05   can you just keep doing it at that pace [TS]

01:17:06   without ever giving any money and you'll [TS]

01:17:08   just be perfectly happy with the [TS]

01:17:09   experience because that doesn't really [TS]

01:17:10   benefit the game maker or Nintendo or [TS]

01:17:13   anyone else particularly it seems like [TS]

01:17:15   you can though like just go out on if [TS]

01:17:17   you're playing it really casually i [TS]

01:17:19   think what i'm seeing probably might be [TS]

01:17:21   totally wrong here but the people who [TS]

01:17:23   are very much in competition for the [TS]

01:17:26   gyms and they are into forming their [TS]

01:17:28   teams [TS]

01:17:29   I'm feeling a lot of clash of clans kind [TS]

01:17:32   of situation happening here is the for [TS]

01:17:34   the people to get very serious about it [TS]

01:17:36   if you don't put in the money then [TS]

01:17:38   you're not going to find the rare [TS]

01:17:40   pokemon or you're not going to be able [TS]

01:17:42   to train them to a high level that's [TS]

01:17:44   that's kind of what I'm seeing so if [TS]

01:17:45   you're really invested in a team then [TS]

01:17:48   you're going to feel that pressure to [TS]

01:17:49   contribute money in order to be better [TS]

01:17:51   for your team and then take control of [TS]

01:17:54   these gyms but i think that the casual [TS]

01:17:56   person just walking around gonna catch [TS]

01:17:58   em all kind of situation might not feel [TS]

01:18:01   that kind of pressure [TS]

01:18:02   yeah like all these games I mean there's [TS]

01:18:04   a balance you can strike with how how [TS]

01:18:05   much you want people to be able to play [TS]

01:18:08   before they put money in how like how [TS]

01:18:10   much of a timer do you want to put on [TS]

01:18:11   whatever energy mechanic to frustrate [TS]

01:18:13   people you can tune a game so that even [TS]

01:18:15   the most casual players so frustrated [TS]

01:18:17   that you have to give up or give money [TS]

01:18:18   or you can turn a game that almost no [TS]

01:18:19   one feels like we need to get money but [TS]

01:18:21   in the grand scheme of things [TS]

01:18:22   historically these type of free-to-play [TS]

01:18:24   massively multiplayer games I clash of [TS]

01:18:26   clans or whatever make all their money [TS]

01:18:28   from what everyone calls whales like [TS]

01:18:31   that most of the money comes from a [TS]

01:18:32   small group of people put a tremendous [TS]

01:18:33   amount of money into them sometimes in [TS]

01:18:35   like an unethical amount of money and [TS]

01:18:37   that you feel bad that you're taking [TS]

01:18:38   this much money from these people right [TS]

01:18:39   and most people put in a piddling amount [TS]

01:18:42   of money and that piddling amount could [TS]

01:18:43   still be more than the dog 99 that [TS]

01:18:45   people have paid for it up front like [TS]

01:18:46   the pilling amount might be five dollars [TS]

01:18:48   a year but five dollars these and the [TS]

01:18:50   app store is a pretty good price when [TS]

01:18:52   games are going for a dollar ninety-nine [TS]

01:18:54   cents or whatever so I'm not like what [TS]

01:18:56   I'm trying to gauge of this phenomenon [TS]

01:18:57   is long-term how you know how much money [TS]

01:19:01   is going to make it how many new [TS]

01:19:02   customers is gonna make how many new [TS]

01:19:03   pokemon players it [TS]

01:19:05   make is going to build so that when next [TS]

01:19:07   year comes out with a new augmented [TS]

01:19:08   reality pokemon game with a different [TS]

01:19:10   name [TS]

01:19:11   we'll all the same people come back like [TS]

01:19:12   are there people out there who have [TS]

01:19:15   never been to the Pokemon franchise this [TS]

01:19:17   is gonna bring them on board and i think [TS]

01:19:18   there are because I think there's a lot [TS]

01:19:19   of people who have never been to the [TS]

01:19:21   Pokemon franchise pc historically the [TS]

01:19:23   only place you can play pokemon was on [TS]

01:19:24   platforms that these people have never [TS]

01:19:25   owned like young people all people like [TS]

01:19:27   if you've never owned a nintendo gaming [TS]

01:19:29   system at all which then is plenty [TS]

01:19:31   people who haven't especially and I like [TS]

01:19:33   a handheld system of the board the most [TS]

01:19:35   of the pokemon games and come out you [TS]

01:19:38   may have never had occasion to be [TS]

01:19:40   exposed this and by releasing a [TS]

01:19:41   smartphone platforms vastly larger [TS]

01:19:44   audience can now be exposed to pokemon [TS]

01:19:47   and now maybe you're building an [TS]

01:19:49   audience for the next version before [TS]

01:19:50   they worry about their audience they [TS]

01:19:51   have to get their servers under control [TS]

01:19:53   because man that game crashes a lot it [TS]

01:19:55   freezes all the time [TS]

01:19:57   yeah that's that's a lot of there's a [TS]

01:19:59   nintendo is very bad it online stuff [TS]

01:20:02   they were very late online stuff they [TS]

01:20:04   don't quite get it they're not good at [TS]

01:20:06   kinda like Apple Apple is really late [TS]

01:20:07   but there's not good at it anyway and [TS]

01:20:09   they've been doing a lot of outsourcing [TS]

01:20:10   to other companies like this [TS]

01:20:12   niantic company lots of different [TS]

01:20:15   companies they partner with are invested [TS]

01:20:17   in or are working with on their games [TS]

01:20:19   who supposedly bring the expertise that [TS]

01:20:22   Nintendo doesn't have hey you guys have [TS]

01:20:24   already running game exactly like this [TS]

01:20:26   called ingress we want to do that but [TS]

01:20:28   replace all the the BSU had before with [TS]

01:20:30   pokemon right and you got the servers [TS]

01:20:32   and you know how it works and you've [TS]

01:20:33   done it before and that seems like a [TS]

01:20:35   good idea for a small company relatively [TS]

01:20:36   small company like Nintendo is compared [TS]

01:20:38   to you know Microsoft or Sony to get [TS]

01:20:40   this game out the door but these [TS]

01:20:42   companies that they're out something to [TS]

01:20:43   have also never been exposed to the [TS]

01:20:46   combination of the game they knew how to [TS]

01:20:48   run plus the pokemon IP that makes [TS]

01:20:51   millions of people want to play it [TS]

01:20:52   they weren't ready for that either so [TS]

01:20:54   it's not really a clean win and as [TS]

01:20:56   you've noted the servers are often down [TS]

01:20:58   as a lot of people tweeting it that the [TS]

01:20:59   the app itself has a lot of difficulties [TS]

01:21:04   with concurrency it's very easy to [TS]

01:21:05   confuse when the server is slow you can [TS]

01:21:07   induce race conditions where the app is [TS]

01:21:08   just hung because it wants you to click [TS]

01:21:10   on a button that you can no longer see [TS]

01:21:11   or you know all sorts of simple [TS]

01:21:14   programming mistakes exacerbated by slow [TS]

01:21:17   server response time [TS]

01:21:18   its overall not making for a [TS]

01:21:20   particularly convincing our messages [TS]

01:21:23   that not particularly intend to like [TS]

01:21:24   experience for users for all you say [TS]

01:21:26   about entendo in general their console [TS]

01:21:28   games are not horribly buggy and broken [TS]

01:21:31   their online stuff is always horribly [TS]

01:21:33   buggy and broken in this case the online [TS]

01:21:35   stuff is slow and bad and also the app [TS]

01:21:37   that talk to the online stuff is not [TS]

01:21:39   particularly robust and yet it makes 1.6 [TS]

01:21:41   million dollars a day so it kind of [TS]

01:21:43   calls into question whether any of that [TS]

01:21:44   really matters [TS]

01:21:45   well I mean it matters in that like it's [TS]

01:21:48   it's not a particularly good showing for [TS]

01:21:49   the company you know like it [TS]

01:21:51   people it this is a good idea and people [TS]

01:21:53   are going to copy it right and there are [TS]

01:21:55   other eye peas that can do similar [TS]

01:21:57   things right in clash of clans we also [TS]

01:21:58   makes a lot of money and came before [TS]

01:22:00   this and it but that was an AR type [TS]

01:22:02   thing anyway who have much money they're [TS]

01:22:05   making they could potentially making [TS]

01:22:06   more if they weren't crashing and not [TS]

01:22:08   letting people on you know like it or [TS]

01:22:09   not i did alright having that bad [TS]

01:22:11   reputation or having people leave the [TS]

01:22:12   game because they're frustrated by [TS]

01:22:13   crashing or whatever like you can always [TS]

01:22:15   be making more money so it is a downside [TS]

01:22:17   just set asides problems and your big [TS]

01:22:19   success of like oh look a little with [TS]

01:22:21   money we're making that there are still [TS]

01:22:24   problems to be had there especially if [TS]

01:22:26   this is the future of gaming antenna [TS]

01:22:27   better get a lot better added proud [TS]

01:22:29   pretty quickly the same the same way [TS]

01:22:30   that Sony had to try to catch up with [TS]

01:22:31   xbox live when they realized that the [TS]

01:22:33   way people deal with consoles now is not [TS]

01:22:35   just to plug it into your TV centre [TS]

01:22:37   caption the world outside your house [TS]

01:22:38   doesn't exist that wasn't the case and [TS]

01:22:41   Sony was later to that the microsoft was [TS]

01:22:43   a nintendo was later than all three of [TS]

01:22:45   them so anyway I I think nintendo has a [TS]

01:22:49   lot of work to do these partnering deals [TS]

01:22:52   are fast way for them to get a game at [TS]

01:22:54   that they couldn't develop on their own [TS]

01:22:55   because they don't have the expertise [TS]

01:22:56   but it also means that these other [TS]

01:22:57   companies get a lot of the money at some [TS]

01:22:59   people between the various breakdowns [TS]

01:23:00   like well three percent goes the apple [TS]

01:23:02   and experts goes to the developer and [TS]

01:23:03   then the left over ten percent goes to [TS]

01:23:06   nintendo I don't know if that was legit [TS]

01:23:07   figured someone trying to do with like [TS]

01:23:09   you know estimations but like that the [TS]

01:23:11   upshot of the other tweet was that [TS]

01:23:13   Apple's making more money from this game [TS]

01:23:14   and tender with which is also not a [TS]

01:23:16   great situation for nintendo so i'm [TS]

01:23:18   happy to report I've just caught a TV [TS]

01:23:20   and a Pidgey as I was sitting here they [TS]

01:23:22   were on [TS]

01:23:22   how did how to help you have all these [TS]

01:23:24   better not have eaten every one of these [TS]

01:23:26   pokemon at their house we have like a [TS]

01:23:28   dead zone there is nothing around here [TS]

01:23:31   generally speaking i have not seen one [TS]

01:23:32   of the house but apparently they were [TS]

01:23:33   sitting on my desk who knew but maybe [TS]

01:23:35   they're the ones breaking your imac if [TS]

01:23:38   you need I just feel like i'd also like [TS]

01:23:42   to publicly complain that after all the [TS]

01:23:44   time I spent on ramp champ [TS]

01:23:46   I should be way better at catching these [TS]

01:23:48   stupid pokemon with my stupid pokeballs [TS]

01:23:50   then I really am [TS]

01:23:52   is it possible that maybe p because we [TS]

01:23:54   have a dog and you don't maybe there's a [TS]

01:23:57   reason why we don't have any Pokemon [TS]

01:23:59   left around the house dear and weird [TS]

01:24:01   animals all over the place [TS]

01:24:02   come on we should have some pokemon I'm [TS]

01:24:05   just I'm just saying maybe we did have [TS]

01:24:06   put them on and then hops found them and [TS]

01:24:07   now we don't have pokemon it's all the [TS]

01:24:09   people that live in the city is all they [TS]

01:24:10   have to do is sit on the couch and [TS]

01:24:11   there's like polka stops and everything [TS]

01:24:13   you can like reach virtually anywhere [TS]

01:24:15   and it's so frustrating I we have to [TS]

01:24:17   like go places [TS]

01:24:18   everything was younger I don't know what [TS]

01:24:20   the heck's going on [TS]

01:24:22   oh man that's awesome so I don't know I [TS]

01:24:24   I I just think it's really cool that [TS]

01:24:27   bits and pieces they put together in the [TS]

01:24:28   timing it to your guys's point earlier [TS]

01:24:31   the timing of all this and I've heard [TS]

01:24:33   plenty of stories of people from all [TS]

01:24:36   different walks of life coming together [TS]

01:24:38   and bonding over this really kind of [TS]

01:24:41   silly game and like I said you know [TS]

01:24:43   certainly at work it's it's made quite [TS]

01:24:45   the splash and and I know that people [TS]

01:24:48   were going to launch and in the driver [TS]

01:24:51   of the car with like handed her phone to [TS]

01:24:53   one of the passengers so the passenger [TS]

01:24:55   was like spinning the little disk thing [TS]

01:24:58   on the run a pokey stops for both [TS]

01:24:59   himself in the driver and then there's a [TS]

01:25:02   little lake right by where I work don't [TS]

01:25:04   be creepy and people are going on long [TS]

01:25:06   walks around the lake to catch pokemon [TS]

01:25:07   over lunch break like it's it's [TS]

01:25:09   surprising how much effect this silly [TS]

01:25:11   little game has had so quickly and I'm [TS]

01:25:13   also a little surprised on the you [TS]

01:25:14   evidently at least tried it yet but I [TS]

01:25:17   know do you plan to John no i'm not a [TS]

01:25:19   pokemon games though not my thing like [TS]

01:25:21   soap and the the AR aspect of it is not [TS]

01:25:24   enough to make me get into pokemon it's [TS]

01:25:25   not like I dislike the air apart i would [TS]

01:25:27   be more likely to play our game with a [TS]

01:25:29   different property attached to a [TS]

01:25:31   different type of game and just got into [TS]

01:25:32   pokemon so now I'd all over [TS]

01:25:34   LED but you have so many nice places to [TS]

01:25:36   walk where you live John like it's so [TS]

01:25:38   easy just kind of go on a little family [TS]

01:25:40   trot you could all catch some pokemon [TS]

01:25:41   together it'd be great i considered [TS]

01:25:44   having my kids play it and like seeing [TS]

01:25:46   if they get into it because you know i [TS]

01:25:48   don't have to be playing I can't be with [TS]

01:25:49   them on the Walk of the market tells me [TS]

01:25:51   that's not a fun thing to know don't you [TS]

01:25:52   like yeah my I didn't have my phone to [TS]

01:25:55   Adam when marco was getting mad while he [TS]

01:25:57   was sitting in the stroller I'm like all [TS]

01:25:58   right you need to look at this and tell [TS]

01:26:00   me if you see any little animals popping [TS]

01:26:02   up and then you tell mommy i tried to [TS]

01:26:06   put him to work but you know what you're [TS]

01:26:08   gonna do is for so in the olden days [TS]

01:26:10   people would put their kids to work like [TS]

01:26:12   you know plowing a field or something [TS]

01:26:13   and this is what we just get to work at [TS]

01:26:16   some pokemon from mama mama needs that [TS]

01:26:18   pokemon gold farm and free-to-play a [TS]

01:26:23   massively multiplayer games that's next [TS]

01:26:26   alright i think i think we're probably [TS]

01:26:28   good here [TS]

01:26:29   alright so thank you very much to our [TS]

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01:26:35   for joining us thanks guys [TS]

01:26:37   it's always a pleasure anyway alright [TS]

01:26:39   thanks everyone and we'll talk to you [TS]

01:26:41   next week [TS]

01:26:42   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:26:47   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:26:52   it was accidental John racer Margo and [TS]

01:26:57   Casey wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

01:27:00   accidentally was accidental and you can [TS]

01:27:06   find the show know today p dot and if [TS]

01:27:11   your twitter you can follow them [TS]

01:27:15   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:27:21   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

01:27:28   Syracuse [TS]

01:27:41   as anything fun in the neutral world I [TS]

01:27:48   has already been pretty scandals [TS]

01:27:50   volkswagen Tesla there have been on [TS]

01:27:53   autopilot or whatever they call it [TS]

01:27:55   issues [TS]

01:27:56   yeah I don't know the details of any of [TS]

01:27:58   these other crashes but it's pretty [TS]

01:28:01   clear to me that this is not intended to [TS]

01:28:04   be a don't pay attention to what's going [TS]

01:28:07   on in front of you sort of autopilot new [TS]

01:28:09   advert really great post about this a [TS]

01:28:10   little while ago Marco I don't see why [TS]

01:28:14   these are happening all the time unless [TS]

01:28:15   these are human failings on top of [TS]

01:28:18   computer failings [TS]

01:28:19   I don't know I just feel like this is [TS]

01:28:20   kind of a non-story that's what I mean [TS]

01:28:22   we with the main the main conclusion [TS]

01:28:24   here so far is that we don't really know [TS]

01:28:27   enough yet about any of these accidents [TS]

01:28:29   to really know like whether the system [TS]

01:28:31   was at fault or the person was a fall [TS]

01:28:33   like the big one that came out like two [TS]

01:28:36   weeks ago whenever that was where where [TS]

01:28:37   the guy hit the truck like when under [TS]

01:28:39   the truck [TS]

01:28:40   mhm that one allegedly he was watching [TS]

01:28:43   harry potter like the movie instead of [TS]

01:28:47   watching the road so you could argue [TS]

01:28:50   that the system should have seen the [TS]

01:28:51   truck and stop but the fact that the [TS]

01:28:53   driver might not have been even looking [TS]

01:28:55   at the road at all i think kind of [TS]

01:28:57   excuses assistant some degree from fault [TS]

01:29:00   of that particular accident but the main [TS]

01:29:02   the main problem here is that this [TS]

01:29:05   system is not fully autonomous driving [TS]

01:29:09   it is not a self-driving car and people [TS]

01:29:12   keep kind of trying to treat it like one [TS]

01:29:14   and that's just irresponsible you know [TS]

01:29:16   that's it is basically advanced cruise [TS]

01:29:19   control [TS]

01:29:20   you wouldn't like it if people do the [TS]

01:29:22   same thing with cruise control or if [TS]

01:29:24   they just stopped paying attention for [TS]

01:29:25   watching a movie with cruise control [TS]

01:29:26   which i'm sure people have done and have [TS]

01:29:28   gotten accidents as a result of that [TS]

01:29:31   that's not a problem with the cruise [TS]

01:29:33   control [TS]

01:29:34   you know that's a problem with the [TS]

01:29:35   people and autopilot wanted to direct [TS]

01:29:38   comparison there because first of all I [TS]

01:29:42   do think that it has been named and [TS]

01:29:44   marketed in such a way to imply that [TS]

01:29:46   it's smarter more capable it really is [TS]

01:29:48   but the fact is it's still required to [TS]

01:29:50   pay attention and they they tell you [TS]

01:29:52   that you know when you turn it on [TS]

01:29:55   activate tell you that in the dash it [TS]

01:29:57   measures how much I think it's measuring [TS]

01:29:58   resistance on the steering wheel because [TS]

01:30:00   like when it's on its tears for you and [TS]

01:30:03   and if you steer in a way that it [TS]

01:30:06   wouldn't have buy more than like you [TS]

01:30:08   know a certain amount of degrees of [TS]

01:30:10   turning the wheel it deactivates itself [TS]

01:30:12   and like beeps to tell you it's off so [TS]

01:30:15   it has a way to measure the turning of [TS]

01:30:16   the wheel and the resistance that you're [TS]

01:30:18   putting on the wheel and as far as i can [TS]

01:30:20   tell it's using that to determine [TS]

01:30:21   whether your hands are on the wheel [TS]

01:30:22   around so if you don't provide any [TS]

01:30:23   justice for a while it will yell at you [TS]

01:30:26   and then gradually slow down and stop if [TS]

01:30:28   you don't intervene [TS]

01:30:29   anyway I the system isn't a really weird [TS]

01:30:32   kind of like uncanny valley kind of [TS]

01:30:36   thing [TS]

01:30:37   notnot the uncanny valley technically [TS]

01:30:38   but like that kind of concept we're like [TS]

01:30:40   it's it's so good it's so autonomous [TS]

01:30:43   that it kind of encourages you not [TS]

01:30:47   directly not verbally it doesn't come [TS]

01:30:49   out and say it but like you are kind of [TS]

01:30:51   encouraged to stop paying attention [TS]

01:30:52   because you just kind of see like you [TS]

01:30:54   know what my inputs not really needed [TS]

01:30:55   here for a while but it's not good [TS]

01:30:58   enough that you actually can stop paying [TS]

01:31:00   attention responsibly and safely for [TS]

01:31:03   very long if any time at all and some [TS]

01:31:06   people are being completed the idiots [TS]

01:31:07   with it and like getting in the backseat [TS]

01:31:09   with hot something i don't know that [TS]

01:31:11   people are crazy I mean that's that is [TS]

01:31:13   not at all safe and nobody here because [TS]

01:31:14   they're gonna kill somebody but the [TS]

01:31:17   design of the system is such that the [TS]

01:31:18   system is not really helping because [TS]

01:31:20   like it is a little bit too smart for a [TS]

01:31:25   system that people are supposed to still [TS]

01:31:27   pay attention to the road while using it [TS]

01:31:28   but again it's not smart enough that you [TS]

01:31:30   actually can't stop so it seems weird [TS]

01:31:32   kind of gray area and I also as I said [TS]

01:31:35   in my post I think it should not be [TS]

01:31:38   allowed on side roads i think it should [TS]

01:31:41   only be allowed on interstates and maybe [TS]

01:31:43   on other divided highways it right now [TS]

01:31:45   you can enable it on any road and the [TS]

01:31:47   only thing is that when it is not on [TS]

01:31:49   what it detects as being a highway or is [TS]

01:31:52   being divided highway understate it [TS]

01:31:53   limits itself 25 miles per hour over the [TS]

01:31:56   posted speed limit signs so you can [TS]

01:31:58   still use it you just can't speed by [TS]

01:32:00   more than 5 so that's not really that [TS]

01:32:02   much of a limit really and it prevents [TS]

01:32:05   what people were initially doing when it [TS]

01:32:06   first came out and people were being all [TS]

01:32:07   crazy [TS]

01:32:08   trying to use it like going really fast [TS]

01:32:09   on twisty side roads that was also [TS]

01:32:12   really dumb and dangerous but uh I think [TS]

01:32:16   it needs more restrictions because [TS]

01:32:17   because like you know as I said in my [TS]

01:32:18   post like it doesn't it doesn't read [TS]

01:32:20   like red lights or stop signs or [TS]

01:32:23   anything like that so like the [TS]

01:32:24   usefulness of it on side roads is pretty [TS]

01:32:27   limited anyway it really should only be [TS]

01:32:29   allowed on interstates in my opinion to [TS]

01:32:31   take the certain kind of person to like [TS]

01:32:33   to know all that I presume all these [TS]

01:32:35   people know about this them and yet [TS]

01:32:37   still like to be so I don't know it to [TS]

01:32:41   wish the technology into existence [TS]

01:32:43   doesn't that doesn't actually exist or [TS]

01:32:44   two to like it because from my [TS]

01:32:47   perspective if you know that you may be [TS]

01:32:50   asked to take over control of the car [TS]

01:32:51   loses track of the road right you know [TS]

01:32:54   that like intellectually I bet all these [TS]

01:32:55   people understand that about the [TS]

01:32:57   autopilot thing because it tells you on [TS]

01:32:58   the screen and like they these are [TS]

01:33:00   probably you know Tesla owners who know [TS]

01:33:01   all about it like most tests loners are [TS]

01:33:03   into their cars because it's a very rare [TS]

01:33:04   car it's an expensive car you're not [TS]

01:33:06   just find yourself owning a Tesla right [TS]

01:33:08   everything makes me think that these [TS]

01:33:10   people know that they will be asked to [TS]

01:33:12   take over control if you know something [TS]

01:33:15   goes wrong and I know because of my [TS]

01:33:17   personality type if I was driving in a [TS]

01:33:19   car where I knew that I would have to be [TS]

01:33:21   a steak over something went wrong you [TS]

01:33:23   don't know when that's going to be [TS]

01:33:24   that's the nature of the event you don't [TS]

01:33:26   know okay in five minutes you're gonna [TS]

01:33:28   be a stakeout could be at any second [TS]

01:33:30   how do you know when it is that you will [TS]

01:33:32   be asked to take over how do you know [TS]

01:33:34   when you will decide that you need to [TS]

01:33:36   take over because a kid ran out into the [TS]

01:33:38   road and the system didn't see him or [TS]

01:33:39   what you know what everything like the [TS]

01:33:40   truck to the guy went under like it [TS]

01:33:43   the only way you will know is if you are [TS]

01:33:45   always continually paying attention [TS]

01:33:47   you can't stop paying attention for a [TS]

01:33:49   second just like regular driving because [TS]

01:33:51   you don't know when that event will come [TS]

01:33:53   so it seems to me that there should be [TS]

01:33:55   zero change in behavior when driving [TS]

01:33:57   with the system but as Marco said that's [TS]

01:33:59   not how people act and somehow they're [TS]

01:34:01   able to square the idea that they may be [TS]

01:34:03   asked to take over to second with the [TS]

01:34:05   idea that they don't have to pay [TS]

01:34:06   attention because it seems like they'll [TS]

01:34:07   never be asked but you know you might be [TS]

01:34:09   asked but it seems like you won't be and [TS]

01:34:10   I have been asked for a long time so [TS]

01:34:12   your brain decides you know what I'm [TS]

01:34:14   never going to be asked to take over [TS]

01:34:15   everything will be fine and then you get [TS]

01:34:17   your head chopped off by semi right like [TS]

01:34:19   then you think that you think you can [TS]

01:34:20   watch a movie right [TS]

01:34:21   and maybe that's just like a trap for [TS]

01:34:23   people's brains where they're like I [TS]

01:34:26   know intellectually that i may be asked [TS]

01:34:27   to take over control at any moment but [TS]

01:34:29   my lizard brain is telling me that I [TS]

01:34:31   haven't been asked to do anything with [TS]

01:34:33   this car for the last hour and I just [TS]

01:34:35   cannot sustain the attention right [TS]

01:34:37   whereas if you're a paranoid person like [TS]

01:34:39   me and you like it's been an hour before [TS]

01:34:42   it since I've been asked to take over [TS]

01:34:43   it's you know it's gonna happen any [TS]

01:34:45   second right you don't like you just [TS]

01:34:46   becoming more and more paranoid but [TS]

01:34:47   regular people i think are just that is [TS]

01:34:50   just signal for you to stop paying [TS]

01:34:51   attention and if you think you know what [TS]

01:34:52   I'm probably play a card game i can [TS]

01:34:54   watch a movie like they tell me I'm [TS]

01:34:56   gonna be asked to take over but you know [TS]

01:34:57   what maybe they're just low-balling it [TS]

01:34:59   because of lawyers it's probably better [TS]

01:35:01   than I think it is i'll probably be fine [TS]

01:35:03   now I'm decapitated by his time you know [TS]

01:35:05   it so I i agree with Marco they like [TS]

01:35:08   until you like this may be a trap for [TS]

01:35:12   human nature this may be a set of rules [TS]

01:35:15   that is not compatible with with way [TS]

01:35:18   humans work right so you have to say [TS]

01:35:21   look you've gotta steer and everything [TS]

01:35:24   else is like radar control cruise [TS]

01:35:25   control and then there's a gap and then [TS]

01:35:28   we do for autonomous right because i [TS]

01:35:31   don't understand I don't not sure that [TS]

01:35:33   maybe habits will change if this becomes [TS]

01:35:36   widespread but i'm not sure that this [TS]

01:35:38   particular set of features will survive [TS]

01:35:40   both the lawyers and the public [TS]

01:35:42   perception long enough for people to [TS]

01:35:45   change their habits and it could be that [TS]

01:35:47   hat changing habits is not sufficient [TS]

01:35:48   and this is just it's human nature [TS]

01:35:50   you're going to stop paying attention if [TS]

01:35:51   you haven't had to do anything in the [TS]

01:35:53   car for an hour and that's when you're [TS]

01:35:54   gonna die I would never enable the [TS]

01:35:57   speech by the way i would do radio radar [TS]

01:35:58   cruise control because you're cool like [TS]

01:36:00   you're like oh well cruise control same [TS]

01:36:01   thing you know how to do anything four [TS]

01:36:02   hours know you still have to steer even [TS]

01:36:04   on the road yet to steer a little bit [TS]

01:36:05   and if you're going 70 miles an hour and [TS]

01:36:08   you don't make that tiny steering input [TS]

01:36:10   very shortly you will be in a ditch [TS]

01:36:12   right you have to be paying attention [TS]

01:36:13   right and just that little bit of [TS]

01:36:15   realizing this huge early hunk of metal [TS]

01:36:18   is under my control and even though i [TS]

01:36:20   don't have to do much have to do [TS]

01:36:21   something that is enough to keep the [TS]

01:36:23   tiny sort of subconscious even if it's [TS]

01:36:25   not like fully conscious like I really [TS]

01:36:27   paying attention their subconscious [TS]

01:36:28   driving and that subconscious driving a [TS]

01:36:30   semi polls in front of you you will [TS]

01:36:32   notice like this your eyes or out [TS]

01:36:33   without going up the win [TS]

01:36:35   shield looking at the road not looking [TS]

01:36:37   at harry potter and the thing like that [TS]

01:36:39   I guess I was like the difference [TS]

01:36:41   between the difference and usefulness to [TS]

01:36:43   the driver between the radar cruise [TS]

01:36:46   control that you get also and the auto [TS]

01:36:49   steer autopilot mode is like the auto [TS]

01:36:52   store doesn't really make it that much [TS]

01:36:54   nicer for the driver like you get the [TS]

01:36:56   vast majority of the value of these [TS]

01:36:58   features with just the cruise control [TS]

01:37:00   part of it the radar cruise control [TS]

01:37:01   because it it will stop and go it'll [TS]

01:37:04   maintain proper distance it uses all the [TS]

01:37:06   same hardware as far as i know like to [TS]

01:37:08   do this it is a very advanced system [TS]

01:37:11   like okay like I've tried the 16 car [TS]

01:37:13   that's a 3-series I tried the adaptive [TS]

01:37:15   cruise in that a few times in a few [TS]

01:37:17   trips and it's it's almost as good but [TS]

01:37:19   not as good the Tesla adaptive cruise is [TS]

01:37:21   really good [TS]

01:37:22   it is amazing and the BMW one I had a [TS]

01:37:25   couple of a little unsettling incidents [TS]

01:37:27   where like the car would start [TS]

01:37:29   accelerating hard in traffic and they [TS]

01:37:31   were still a car in front of us and I [TS]

01:37:33   had to like override wait stop then [TS]

01:37:35   break that is not happen once in the [TS]

01:37:37   test and I used it way more in the Tesla [TS]

01:37:39   it is a really amazing system for the [TS]

01:37:42   event that they have adaptive cruise [TS]

01:37:43   control the autopilot on the other hand [TS]

01:37:46   is that you know the auto steer part of [TS]

01:37:48   it is scary and and I use that a lot to [TS]

01:37:51   have been using it more even since I [TS]

01:37:53   published that post you just kind of [TS]

01:37:54   things kind of get an idea of like you [TS]

01:37:56   know do i have the wrong impression do [TS]

01:37:57   is be more time with it really get to [TS]

01:37:59   know it better and so far no III don't [TS]

01:38:02   need more time together to get an open [TS]

01:38:04   to get to know better i still do use it [TS]

01:38:06   on the highway here and there but i'm [TS]

01:38:09   still I still can't trust it because [TS]

01:38:13   sometimes it does things that i consider [TS]

01:38:15   dangerous and whether academically it is [TS]

01:38:19   dangerous or not I don't know but you [TS]

01:38:20   know just things like getting too close [TS]

01:38:21   to the edge of the lane when there's a [TS]

01:38:23   car right in the other side or a barrier [TS]

01:38:25   to the side like it does not keep you [TS]

01:38:27   centered perfectly it tries to end it [TS]

01:38:30   was doing some kind of smoothing I think [TS]

01:38:31   we're trying to like not jerky too hard [TS]

01:38:33   and you know to keep you centered so [TS]

01:38:35   like kind of smoothie over and you know [TS]

01:38:37   and you can like drift toward the lines [TS]

01:38:39   and then drift back from the line like [TS]

01:38:41   it's it's a little unsettling a lot of [TS]

01:38:44   times where i will get a little too [TS]

01:38:45   close to things and especially like if [TS]

01:38:47   there's a car [TS]

01:38:48   next to you and in the lane next to you [TS]

01:38:50   that is too close to the line their side [TS]

01:38:53   it doesn't it'll still drifting that [TS]

01:38:55   line like I don't know how to tell him [TS]

01:38:57   that if it's if it's just the ultrasonic [TS]

01:38:59   sensors on the side it might be it might [TS]

01:39:00   be too far detective which would be a [TS]

01:39:02   little unsettling it's it's not it's [TS]

01:39:05   it's a system that makes me nervous [TS]

01:39:07   whenever it's on it also does things [TS]

01:39:09   like you know like what I'm driving on a [TS]

01:39:12   multi-lane highway no matter no matter [TS]

01:39:15   what speeds we are going i will not hang [TS]

01:39:18   out in somebody's blind spot i will [TS]

01:39:20   speed up or slow down so that i am not [TS]

01:39:23   like right next to in the car in the [TS]

01:39:25   next Lane over or like right you know [TS]

01:39:27   slightly behind them in there but i will [TS]

01:39:28   not hang out there because I know like [TS]

01:39:30   you you develop your skills as a [TS]

01:39:32   responsible driver over time you start [TS]

01:39:33   realizing like okay well I should [TS]

01:39:35   minimize the chances that i'm going to [TS]

01:39:38   get hit you know so thick that and even [TS]

01:39:41   if i can legally stay right here this [TS]

01:39:43   person's blind spot for a while I [TS]

01:39:45   shouldn't do that because they could [TS]

01:39:47   merge and not see me if I if I hang out [TS]

01:39:49   here for a while that's not good so I [TS]

01:39:51   won't do it [TS]

01:39:52   the auto steer and auto drive they don't [TS]

01:39:54   have that kind of intelligence that they [TS]

01:39:56   they will not do things like that to to [TS]

01:39:58   avoid possible accidents you know that [TS]

01:40:00   haven't started to happen yet like they [TS]

01:40:02   won't minimize the chance of danger [TS]

01:40:04   though just happily go and you might be [TS]

01:40:06   hanging out and somebody blind spot for [TS]

01:40:07   10 minutes and not even know it [TS]

01:40:09   it does kind of create this this [TS]

01:40:12   expectation that it's going to be super [TS]

01:40:13   safe and awesome and and his is the best [TS]

01:40:16   thing to use and you don't have to pay [TS]

01:40:18   attention but i don't know how many of [TS]

01:40:20   those things are true and I suspect not [TS]

01:40:22   all of them you're wise to get nervous [TS]

01:40:24   too because like again when you're when [TS]

01:40:26   you're surrendering control of the car [TS]

01:40:28   it's getting close to the edge lane what [TS]

01:40:29   you know and that the cars is not [TS]

01:40:31   currently designed to have any awareness [TS]

01:40:34   up is that you have just come fractions [TS]

01:40:37   of a second closer to you know to you [TS]

01:40:41   getting into an accident right because [TS]

01:40:43   so if there is some erroneous steering [TS]

01:40:44   input or the car gets confused for a [TS]

01:40:46   moment fractions of a second matter and [TS]

01:40:48   like you being in the middle of the lane [TS]

01:40:50   and the car suddenly lurched is a foot [TS]

01:40:51   to the left if you're paying attention [TS]

01:40:53   as you should be your reaction time is [TS]

01:40:55   probably enough to keep you in the lane [TS]

01:40:56   you riding the line and you're paying [TS]

01:40:59   attention and the car lurches to the [TS]

01:41:00   left [TS]

01:41:01   it could be the year [TS]

01:41:02   reaction time even if you're paying a [TS]

01:41:03   hundred percent attention but attention [TS]

01:41:04   your reaction time is not sufficient to [TS]

01:41:07   get your car before it's the guardrail [TS]

01:41:09   or runs into a bridge abutment or who [TS]

01:41:11   knows what else like as you get closer [TS]

01:41:13   to the edge of the high-speed things [TS]

01:41:14   happen really fast human reaction time [TS]

01:41:16   is only so fast there's a reason we [TS]

01:41:18   don't ride the edges of the lanes [TS]

01:41:20   because we know that our own reaction [TS]

01:41:21   time is not sufficient reason we don't [TS]

01:41:23   you know grabbed it unless real jerks [TS]

01:41:25   within a foot of someone else's bummer [TS]

01:41:27   because we know our reaction time is not [TS]

01:41:29   fast enough and 80 miles an hour to make [TS]

01:41:31   that stop no matter how slowly the [TS]

01:41:32   person in front of our stops it's just [TS]

01:41:34   you know you can do a little time is how [TS]

01:41:36   long does it take for you to move your [TS]

01:41:37   foot over to the brake pedal start [TS]

01:41:39   pressing it down like you distances get [TS]

01:41:43   covered very quickly at high speed so [TS]

01:41:44   the highways exactly the spot where you [TS]

01:41:46   wouldn't want that are you saying like I [TS]

01:41:48   think it's safer to have it on this [TS]

01:41:49   highway the side roads at least decide [TS]

01:41:50   what you're going slower speeds so it [TS]

01:41:52   does make a mistake you can correct it [TS]

01:41:53   relative speeds that like the person [TS]

01:41:55   hitting you on the highway is probably [TS]

01:41:57   gonna hit you a relative speed of like [TS]

01:41:59   five miles an hour but it's not that [TS]

01:42:00   it's not the hitting you with you [TS]

01:42:01   hitting bridge abutment you going off to [TS]

01:42:03   dinner yes that's the type of thing are [TS]

01:42:04   you going under a semi or whatever it's [TS]

01:42:06   all moving vehicle versus stationary [TS]

01:42:08   hazard with a stationary hazards that [TS]

01:42:10   truck crossing over or whatever [TS]

01:42:12   whereas everything being a slower speed [TS]

01:42:14   you know anyway I I would never been [TS]

01:42:18   able to do things like it starts to [TS]

01:42:20   bring it towards the edges lane you're [TS]

01:42:21   like wait a second I would never do this [TS]

01:42:23   if I was driving the car because i know [TS]

01:42:25   that my reaction time is not fast enough [TS]

01:42:27   like why would i be riding the edge even [TS]

01:42:29   just like debris that's gonna pop a tire [TS]

01:42:31   and like pulled me off his life and [TS]

01:42:32   that's taking out of the equation the [TS]

01:42:34   idea that the car might someone get [TS]

01:42:36   confused and turn in a weird direction [TS]

01:42:37   or start accelerating or decelerating [TS]

01:42:39   like that's just just me driving the car [TS]

01:42:42   in my complete control [TS]

01:42:43   I wouldn't ride the edge of line because [TS]

01:42:44   i know that's dumb and you know we're [TS]

01:42:46   coming up on the bridge now I'm gonna [TS]

01:42:48   take off my side mirror like I wouldn't [TS]

01:42:50   do that and to let a car do it and to [TS]

01:42:53   know that during that time the car is [TS]

01:42:55   still in control and can do something [TS]

01:42:56   weird just it's just a terrible idea to [TS]

01:42:59   to deal with the system at all like [TS]

01:43:01   drive your car or don't drive your car [TS]

01:43:03   and currently we don't have the option [TS]

01:43:04   of not driving your car so just drive [TS]

01:43:06   your car [TS]