The Accidental Tech Podcast

177: Paying for Someone to Blame


00:00:00   I'm actually fighting with a fly in my [TS]

00:00:01   order your market with here the fly [TS]

00:00:03   later [TS]

00:00:04   that's right trying to track down and [TS]

00:00:07   kill this file i'll get it eventually i [TS]

00:00:09   feel like i have to have to take a break [TS]

00:00:10   from the show for me 200 down but anyway [TS]

00:00:13   going to lend you an ipad 2 forgot about [TS]

00:00:16   that [TS]

00:00:17   oh god that's old-school good this talk [TS]

00:00:20   amongst yourselves for a moment I will [TS]

00:00:21   kill or shoot this fly out of the room [TS]

00:00:23   needs to be done [TS]

00:00:24   I'm this slide this fly did not want to [TS]

00:00:30   leave did not want to die had how'd you [TS]

00:00:32   convince it did you argue with it until [TS]

00:00:34   I realized it was wrong I would have [TS]

00:00:36   killed if I could fuck a lot of stuff [TS]

00:00:38   going on land [TS]

00:00:39   I was trying to get it to leave the room [TS]

00:00:40   so I was turning off the lights in this [TS]

00:00:42   room and turning on bright lights [TS]

00:00:43   elsewhere to try to lower it out if you [TS]

00:00:46   want you can be talking about definitely [TS]

00:00:47   leave immediately its truth just bore it [TS]

00:00:50   out of the room [TS]

00:00:51   no flies love destiny so afraid of the [TS]

00:00:55   show David nyan wrote in and he has [TS]

00:00:58   opinions about universal remotes and [TS]

00:01:00   things of that nature of super duper [TS]

00:01:02   frame Damien yeah one of our backup [TS]

00:01:06   application that you should use or [TS]

00:01:08   equivalent to make multiple backups of [TS]

00:01:10   your stuff anyway I think he just he's [TS]

00:01:11   not talking about universal remotes I'm [TS]

00:01:12   sorry talk about CC yeah it he has a [TS]

00:01:16   very all have been a proponent of the [TS]

00:01:18   spend a lot of money to solve your [TS]

00:01:20   electronics problem solution which is [TS]

00:01:24   one possible solution i've never been [TS]

00:01:27   particularly a fan of it because I feel [TS]

00:01:29   like I'm sure no no matter how not [TS]

00:01:31   because i don't want to spend a lot of [TS]

00:01:32   money on things I've ever really [TS]

00:01:33   expensive TV but I feel like no matter [TS]

00:01:35   how much money you spend it will still [TS]

00:01:38   never work right and you'll feel worse [TS]

00:01:40   if you spend a lot more money but anyway [TS]

00:01:42   he's happy with his setup he has been [TS]

00:01:44   awesome stuff and he has a bang and [TS]

00:01:46   olufsen TV which itself acts as like the [TS]

00:01:49   hub for everything is like six hdmi [TS]

00:01:51   inputs and built-in sound system that [TS]

00:01:53   you can connect like 18 speakers to the [TS]

00:01:55   TV and it does wireless stuff and [TS]

00:01:57   integrates with like home control [TS]

00:01:59   systems you can raise and lower your [TS]

00:02:00   Brian lines and turn on your lights and [TS]

00:02:02   security cameras i call all the rich [TS]

00:02:04   people stuff than you would imagine [TS]

00:02:05   and because the TV itself is the hub for [TS]

00:02:09   all the stuff you don't have a situation [TS]

00:02:11   like Casey described last time above the [TS]

00:02:13   universal remote having to track the [TS]

00:02:16   state of all your devices and if it gets [TS]

00:02:18   out of sync that's very confused the TV [TS]

00:02:20   knows the state of everything because it [TS]

00:02:22   is the hub for everything and it can you [TS]

00:02:23   know sense when it's getting input on [TS]

00:02:24   different things and the speakers hooked [TS]

00:02:26   up directly to the television so it [TS]

00:02:27   takes a lot of the guesswork and they [TS]

00:02:29   have all these fancy pants things where [TS]

00:02:31   you can take all your equipment that's [TS]

00:02:33   big and noisy and put in the basement [TS]

00:02:34   and connected with a big ethernet cable [TS]

00:02:36   up to your system upstairs you can hide [TS]

00:02:38   all the stuff it all all the the things [TS]

00:02:41   that you would spend thousands and [TS]

00:02:42   thousands of dollars for course the [TS]

00:02:43   downside of this is you have to at the [TS]

00:02:46   very least have this big fancy bang & [TS]

00:02:47   olufsen TV and some other proprietary [TS]

00:02:49   components that go with it and thinking [TS]

00:02:51   Olson doesn't really make the tvs that's [TS]

00:02:54   that's the problem right so I the [TS]

00:02:57   television that I have at the time that [TS]

00:02:59   i bought it how do i bought a fancy bag [TS]

00:03:01   and also thing i would be getting a [TS]

00:03:03   worse television set terms of picture [TS]

00:03:04   quality in exchange for all the other [TS]

00:03:06   stuff so i'm still stuck because of my [TS]

00:03:09   priorities buying individual components [TS]

00:03:12   and slapping them together and trying to [TS]

00:03:14   make do with it but if you're willing to [TS]

00:03:16   compromise on not having the absolute [TS]

00:03:18   very best of every individual component [TS]

00:03:20   you can buy an integrated solution for [TS]

00:03:23   tremendous amount of money that I don't [TS]

00:03:25   think it's worth it but you'll be happy [TS]

00:03:27   together by another solution i was [TS]

00:03:28   asking a while back and Twitter of the [TS]

00:03:31   best solution for we talk about the show [TS]

00:03:33   for me to get the video off of my [TS]

00:03:35   blu-rays without recompress in it just [TS]

00:03:38   preserve exactly bit for bit the way it [TS]

00:03:40   is in my blu-rays and then playback my [TS]

00:03:42   television without having a spinning [TS]

00:03:43   plastic disc that's making pretty isn't [TS]

00:03:45   it [TS]

00:03:46   that'll do know there but remember I was [TS]

00:03:48   the issue was playback I can't get 24 [TS]

00:03:50   frame 24 frames per second cadence [TS]

00:03:52   playback I'd oh yeah [TS]

00:03:54   Long's anyway we talked about that a [TS]

00:03:56   show which none of us will be remember [TS]

00:03:58   in the show notes but anyway one of the [TS]

00:04:01   rich person solutions that as those [TS]

00:04:03   boxes they sell that I think is that [TS]

00:04:04   technically legal biggest someone paid a [TS]

00:04:06   lot of money to the blu-ray association [TS]

00:04:08   where you by the super expensive box and [TS]

00:04:11   you feed it either all your blu rays in [TS]

00:04:12   a big box or one at a time and it [TS]

00:04:14   basically rip your blu rays for you lost [TS]

00:04:16   unless you play them back [TS]

00:04:17   but it does it in a way that like [TS]

00:04:19   complies with the letter of the law I [TS]

00:04:22   don't know whatever it's not a pirate [TS]

00:04:24   saying it's entirely legal thing but is [TS]

00:04:26   tremendously expensive and it's just [TS]

00:04:28   that it's like outside the amount of [TS]

00:04:29   money i'm willing to pay for that i'll [TS]

00:04:31   just stick the disc and DVD but in the [TS]

00:04:32   blu-ray player and deal with the [TS]

00:04:34   spinning disk noise at this point but [TS]

00:04:35   hopefully we'll get there eventually [TS]

00:04:36   wear clothes like that were really close [TS]

00:04:38   the only barrier remaining is me not [TS]

00:04:41   having a way to play that content back [TS]

00:04:44   on my television preserving the correct [TS]

00:04:46   you know from reading everything without [TS]

00:04:48   doing a spinning disk i should point out [TS]

00:04:50   that i have achieved eighty percent of [TS]

00:04:52   this guy i also would have the same [TS]

00:04:55   problem with 24 frames a second but I [TS]

00:04:57   don't care you don't think I have [TS]

00:04:58   anything of that right and I usually [TS]

00:05:00   watch TV shows but III rip the entire [TS]

00:05:03   wire blu-ray set and it was very very [TS]

00:05:07   easy with modern tools because all I had [TS]

00:05:10   to do was use make MKV to rip blu-ray [TS]

00:05:13   and then sub-layer to basically rewrap [TS]

00:05:17   it in an mp4 container without having to [TS]

00:05:19   transcode the video I i believe a [TS]

00:05:21   transfer the audio because i don't care [TS]

00:05:23   about surround sound please email john [TS]

00:05:24   and your modified it already [TS]

00:05:26   yeah well who cares but that's optional [TS]

00:05:28   you could have left the the giant like [TS]

00:05:31   ac3 and DTS tracks on there if you [TS]

00:05:32   really wanted to but I don't even have [TS]

00:05:34   surround speakers anymore because I [TS]

00:05:36   decided years ago they weren't worth the [TS]

00:05:37   hassle so anyway so i was able to rip [TS]

00:05:39   the entire TV series with with sub layer [TS]

00:05:42   and make MKV in surprising little time [TS]

00:05:45   and just like this like this roughly [TS]

00:05:48   hundred-dollar USB 3 blu-ray drive that [TS]

00:05:51   i thought i had in the closet from [TS]

00:05:53   little while back and yeah it works [TS]

00:05:55   great and now I play them in flex and [TS]

00:05:57   it's you know that so it has all the [TS]

00:05:58   metadata from flex somehow magically [TS]

00:06:00   through some probably not quite legal [TS]

00:06:03   service and it's great i absolutely love [TS]

00:06:05   it and it's it's it's way faster and [TS]

00:06:07   more reliable and way better quality [TS]

00:06:08   than the HBO GO [TS]

00:06:11   now many at whatever it is the HP mini [TS]

00:06:13   app on TV it's way better than that way [TS]

00:06:16   better quality no dropping frames issues [TS]

00:06:18   so it isn't dirty it wasn't a problem [TS]

00:06:20   that they write anything as a problem [TS]

00:06:21   with HBO sucking and yeah [TS]

00:06:23   overall a great solution to watch any [TS]

00:06:26   kind of HBO show [TS]

00:06:27   by the blu-rays and rip them all and it [TS]

00:06:30   actually works surprisingly well that's [TS]

00:06:32   what I do with the content i don't [TS]

00:06:34   actually care about my character I [TS]

00:06:37   needed to be the highest possible [TS]

00:06:38   quality so yeah I have tons of stuff [TS]

00:06:40   complex i have tons of things that are [TS]

00:06:41   you nope but for the things I care about [TS]

00:06:44   I want the very best quality and that's [TS]

00:06:46   still putting the disc in a little Drive [TS]

00:06:48   wait a minute those so the only [TS]

00:06:49   limitation of what I was just saying is [TS]

00:06:51   possibly audio does if the appletv can [TS]

00:06:53   output whatever DTS whatever over the [TS]

00:06:56   optical port then you wouldn't have any [TS]

00:06:58   quality problems right [TS]

00:06:59   optical bored you can do it over hdmi if [TS]

00:07:01   it's it smart enough a lot a lot of the [TS]

00:07:02   applications won't send the unmodified a [TS]

00:07:05   audio like they won't send the DTS HD [TS]

00:07:08   stream directly to my receiver they just [TS]

00:07:11   want to do it even better flex would our [TS]

00:07:12   this probably an opportunity plaques and [TS]

00:07:14   infuse it depends on which one is in the [TS]

00:07:17   best mood or like it the d/s video app I [TS]

00:07:19   have many options to do it but really [TS]

00:07:21   this video because that the most of the [TS]

00:07:22   content really care about mostly talking [TS]

00:07:24   about movies and they're 24 frames per [TS]

00:07:25   second that's a dealbreaker I can't get [TS]

00:07:27   that to my TV any other way [TS]

00:07:29   yeah and then thats indefinitely [TS]

00:07:30   hardware issue right either you don't [TS]

00:07:31   have any any TV boxes that run software [TS]

00:07:34   that could play movies and without put [TS]

00:07:36   the right signal it's not hardware and [TS]

00:07:38   software like Apple TV could be changed [TS]

00:07:40   in such a way to output 24 frames per [TS]

00:07:42   second cadence video is not you know my [TS]

00:07:44   playstation 3 can output that that's [TS]

00:07:46   what I put the blu-ray into right [TS]

00:07:47   I've even tried putting the putting the [TS]

00:07:49   video files on the playstation 3 and [TS]

00:07:51   having it do it but I still can't get [TS]

00:07:52   that to work either so the only time I [TS]

00:07:53   playstation 3 outputs in this way is one [TS]

00:07:55   is playing a blue right the the apple TV [TS]

00:07:57   is always locked it you know 60 [TS]

00:07:59   frames-per-second whatever it's [TS]

00:08:00   outputting out and just ran you know we [TS]

00:08:02   went to this in the past yeah so it but [TS]

00:08:03   I had nothing we can do it is no [TS]

00:08:05   technical reasons like things are [TS]

00:08:06   powerful enough for whatever a lot of [TS]

00:08:08   people have your televisions than mine [TS]

00:08:10   they can do the you know the one called [TS]

00:08:12   the detecting the cadence and accounting [TS]

00:08:14   for and everything but I've run all the [TS]

00:08:15   video test and it just nothing can get [TS]

00:08:17   24 frames per second out there except [TS]

00:08:19   for my blu-ray player so that's what i [TS]

00:08:21   keep using my next set up hopefully [TS]

00:08:23   we'll be able to do it if not it's not [TS]

00:08:25   the end of the world like a blu-ray [TS]

00:08:27   players like it's not a thing i do [TS]

00:08:28   frequently and it's only for a small [TS]

00:08:30   subset of movies so just keep sticking a [TS]

00:08:31   discount [TS]

00:08:32   although my solution doesn't have fan [TS]

00:08:34   noise either but you're missing out on [TS]

00:08:37   the things that John's eyeballs can't [TS]

00:08:39   even see if you don't know that he's [TS]

00:08:41   missing out on it i can see them but a [TS]

00:08:44   couple thoughts are mostly on what I [TS]

00:08:46   market said I'd like to completely agree [TS]

00:08:48   with him about making MKV it is [TS]

00:08:51   wonderful especially as paired with if [TS]

00:08:53   you're willing to recompress stuff down [TS]

00:08:55   mountains compression scripts which [TS]

00:08:56   we've talked about the past and i [TS]

00:08:58   believe i've written a post about at [TS]

00:09:00   some point or another if I have put in [TS]

00:09:02   the show notes [TS]

00:09:02   oh yeah those are awesome but the bit [TS]

00:09:05   like nowadays like its I mean Rican [TS]

00:09:07   pressing blueberries is a pretty is [TS]

00:09:08   still even a modern hardware still a [TS]

00:09:10   very computer intensive pretty long [TS]

00:09:12   running process and you can just run [TS]

00:09:14   them in a batch overnight but still it [TS]

00:09:16   still takes a lot and if you have any [TS]

00:09:18   way to use three-and-a-half-inch hard [TS]

00:09:21   drives as your storage yeah so anyway [TS]

00:09:24   whether that's external drive in your [TS]

00:09:26   desk or an ass in the closet full of [TS]

00:09:28   discs whatever-it-is [TS]

00:09:29   three-and-a-half-inch hard drives are so [TS]

00:09:32   massive and cheap these days that looks [TS]

00:09:35   like you just have like basically [TS]

00:09:37   infinite storage space if you can use [TS]

00:09:38   those dr somehow and so I just you know [TS]

00:09:41   what these days I ripped the heart [TS]

00:09:43   rhythm all from blu-rays and the whole [TS]

00:09:45   wire series is 560 gigs from the [TS]

00:09:49   principal and it doesn't matter if [TS]

00:09:51   possible most feature films are 30 or 40 [TS]

00:09:54   cakes i think something like that and [TS]

00:09:56   the wires considerably longer than that [TS]

00:09:58   and to go back one more step you are [TS]

00:10:00   talking and I know you said it jokingly [TS]

00:10:02   about Osama legal way that lets get some [TS]

00:10:04   metadata I don't believe it's legal at [TS]

00:10:06   all they don't use a IMDb which I [TS]

00:10:08   presume is for some sort of Licensing [TS]

00:10:10   reason or something but they do use the [TS]

00:10:13   TV database which is the TV b.com and [TS]

00:10:16   the movie database which is the movie [TS]

00:10:17   DVD org and we'll put those links in the [TS]

00:10:19   show notes [TS]

00:10:20   those are less geared around browsing in [TS]

00:10:23   my opinion who did what and when and [TS]

00:10:25   more about getting metadata about films [TS]

00:10:27   which is probably why plex uses it but [TS]

00:10:30   they are to the best of my knowledge [TS]

00:10:31   completely legal [TS]

00:10:32   what about like all the copyrighted [TS]

00:10:33   material on them is that like it was [TS]

00:10:35   weird grey areas or is it that you mean [TS]

00:10:37   like the google image search for movie [TS]

00:10:38   posters and rest shove them in there [TS]

00:10:40   probably not really oh that's true [TS]

00:10:42   actually [TS]

00:10:43   didn't think about that I don't know but [TS]

00:10:44   anyway anything else on video and that [TS]

00:10:47   sort of thing we have one other piece of [TS]

00:10:48   follow-up real quick though I do have a [TS]

00:10:50   quick bit of follow-up on my hdmi-cec [TS]

00:10:53   situation [TS]

00:10:55   mmm the setting was off i told you so [TS]

00:10:58   huh that's the KC KC debug your problem [TS]

00:11:01   you're right yeah I I hadn't checked I [TS]

00:11:02   didn't even know you could turn it off [TS]

00:11:03   so I hadn't checked it and it was on [TS]

00:11:06   what like it worked for months [TS]

00:11:08   somehow it turned off it's pretty deep [TS]

00:11:10   in settings i'm pretty sure i would have [TS]

00:11:11   accidentally done that since I never go [TS]

00:11:12   to settings screen but a matter maybe it [TS]

00:11:15   maybe one of the software updates [TS]

00:11:16   might've turned it off i don't know what [TS]

00:11:18   are the features of CC is they can take [TS]

00:11:19   in turn off CC goodness gracious [TS]

00:11:25   alright the last piece follow-up we have [TS]

00:11:27   from friend of the show Matt Bischoff [TS]

00:11:29   John I think especially was talking last [TS]

00:11:32   episode about what ingredients are in [TS]

00:11:35   what I screams and yells hey it's in [TS]

00:11:38   John's opinion if i recall correctly [TS]

00:11:40   said there should only be a handful of [TS]

00:11:42   ingredients they need in any true [TS]

00:11:43   indecent ice cream and Matt Bischoff has [TS]

00:11:46   done a survey of many of the popular ice [TS]

00:11:48   cream brands we've mentioned and even a [TS]

00:11:50   couple of others and put together an air [TS]

00:11:54   table which is the site i've never heard [TS]

00:11:55   of before but it's very cool [TS]

00:11:56   I'm it looks like basically a a Google [TS]

00:11:59   sheet or Excel spreadsheet if you will [TS]

00:12:01   but also a little bit more than that and [TS]

00:12:03   so you can see all the different [TS]

00:12:04   ingredients matt has included the [TS]

00:12:06   ingredients ingredients count calories [TS]

00:12:08   per serving serving size colors program [TS]

00:12:11   and even links because he is that [TS]

00:12:12   thorough is there anything that guy [TS]

00:12:14   doesn't to pretty much perfectly i doubt [TS]

00:12:16   it but anyway worth checking out John [TS]

00:12:18   now that you've seen this any opinions [TS]

00:12:19   on any of the stuff a lot of people [TS]

00:12:21   wanted to write in and tell me why all [TS]

00:12:23   those ingredients are in there [TS]

00:12:24   I know why they're in there [TS]

00:12:25   unfortunately the list of ingredients [TS]

00:12:26   doesn't tell you what i really want to [TS]

00:12:28   know which one should emphasize last [TS]

00:12:29   time is how much of this stuff right so [TS]

00:12:31   the things that we're talking about that [TS]

00:12:33   are not things that you would put an ice [TS]

00:12:34   cream that you making your own house [TS]

00:12:35   with your ice cream maker which by the [TS]

00:12:37   way is really easy and everyone should [TS]

00:12:38   do it doesn't take a lot of room you [TS]

00:12:39   should get one they're fun is there [TS]

00:12:43   putting ingredients to make it so that [TS]

00:12:45   when the ice cream thaws and then [TS]

00:12:47   refreezes you don't get those big chunky [TS]

00:12:49   ice crystals you ever do that if you [TS]

00:12:51   with any way I from the star whatever [TS]

00:12:53   like it was a little bit and like are [TS]

00:12:55   here if your refrigerator [TS]

00:12:56   our freezer like you could leave the [TS]

00:12:57   door open or something or the power goes [TS]

00:12:59   out for a long time everything kind of [TS]

00:13:01   like melts a little bit but then [TS]

00:13:02   refreezes and then you take this year I [TS]

00:13:04   got you can tell that it's melted and [TS]

00:13:05   refrozen and I someone can find a [TS]

00:13:08   physics video in youtube explaining how [TS]

00:13:10   like the the ice crystals with the water [TS]

00:13:12   separates from the non motor parts then [TS]

00:13:13   informs larger ice crystals and taste [TS]

00:13:15   all crunchy and gross and you don't like [TS]

00:13:16   that bet egg yolk is one example of like [TS]

00:13:20   an emulsifier essentially that will keep [TS]

00:13:21   the things mixed together kind of like [TS]

00:13:24   how i do can I get a salad dressing will [TS]

00:13:26   keep the oil and vinegar mixed together [TS]

00:13:27   it will keep them from separating same [TS]

00:13:29   thing will keep like the liquid the [TS]

00:13:30   water from separating from the solid [TS]

00:13:31   ingredients making the big ice crystal [TS]

00:13:33   symmetry melts at you some more [TS]

00:13:35   expensive obviously almost all the other [TS]

00:13:37   things they put in these various gums [TS]

00:13:39   and other called stabilizers for [TS]

00:13:40   stabilizer is because they want to [TS]

00:13:42   account for the fact the ice cream is [TS]

00:13:43   going to be shipped from far away in [TS]

00:13:45   trucks with imperfect refrigeration and [TS]

00:13:47   it's going to melt and refreeze the [TS]

00:13:48   melting or freezing melting and [TS]

00:13:50   refreezing I didn't have the stabilizers [TS]

00:13:51   in them that it would taste terrible [TS]

00:13:53   would just be like you know big chunky [TS]

00:13:56   water sharp ice crystals in there [TS]

00:13:58   doesn't taste good you want to be smooth [TS]

00:13:59   and creamy so the cheaper ice creams in [TS]

00:14:02   addition to this thing of what is it [TS]

00:14:04   called overrun i forget what the hell is [TS]

00:14:06   called how much air they blow into it to [TS]

00:14:07   make you buy air instead of densely [TS]

00:14:10   packed think that's why haagen-dazs is [TS]

00:14:11   more dense than regular stuff but anyway [TS]

00:14:13   setting aside the air thing because some [TS]

00:14:14   people just like a soft dry ice cream [TS]

00:14:16   that the cheaper the ice cream the more [TS]

00:14:19   stabilizer they put in it and they put [TS]

00:14:21   lots and lots of stabilized to be very [TS]

00:14:22   resilient to freezing and thawing and [TS]

00:14:25   they don't have to put in the egg yolks [TS]

00:14:26   or any other more expensive ingredient [TS]

00:14:28   in there and it's still you know seems [TS]

00:14:30   smooth and creamy no matter where you [TS]

00:14:32   get so not just that there are [TS]

00:14:34   stabilizers it's how much and the [TS]

00:14:36   ingredient list doesn't tell you how [TS]

00:14:37   much but they don't have a mouse just an [TS]

00:14:38   order by you know the most agree that [TS]

00:14:41   there's the most of and then the second [TS]

00:14:42   most and so on and so forth but it [TS]

00:14:44   doesn't give you numbers and my [TS]

00:14:46   impression of the really the worst ice [TS]

00:14:48   cream flavors they have a lot of [TS]

00:14:49   stabilizers and a lot of other things [TS]

00:14:51   that affect texture and stuff and that [TS]

00:14:53   there's more of them that you know i [TS]

00:14:55   would like it [TS]

00:14:56   haagen-dazs couple their flavors have [TS]

00:14:57   some stabilizing but not a lot and as my [TS]

00:15:00   impression and then other ones that have [TS]

00:15:02   the exact same ingredient lists tastes [TS]

00:15:04   like I'm eating [TS]

00:15:05   I don't foam rubber or something it just [TS]

00:15:07   doesn't taste right ace natural so [TS]

00:15:09   that's and this this list like going [TS]

00:15:12   down to coldstone creamery having 17 [TS]

00:15:13   ingredients including like ethyl alcohol [TS]

00:15:16   and artificial flavor whatever that is [TS]

00:15:19   and triethyl citrate and you know all [TS]

00:15:22   sorts of other things to that effect the [TS]

00:15:25   color the flavor and then to of avoiding [TS]

00:15:29   those ice crystals and everything and [TS]

00:15:30   what I heard from somebody was it and [TS]

00:15:31   others Twitter or someone email me or [TS]

00:15:33   something about how to ask for example [TS]

00:15:34   how can they get away with not having [TS]

00:15:36   stabilizers and for example there are no [TS]

00:15:38   ice cream [TS]

00:15:38   how can they do that because apparently [TS]

00:15:40   they own the distribution train chain [TS]

00:15:42   and their own their own refrigerated [TS]

00:15:43   trucks they basically make sure that [TS]

00:15:44   their ice cream never never melts and [TS]

00:15:46   refuses because if you were to melt and [TS]

00:15:48   reorganize I've done it [TS]

00:15:49   we have power outages and stuff it is [TS]

00:15:51   terrible to count all the ice crystals a [TS]

00:15:53   four-minute no stabilizers except [TS]

00:15:55   Regulus which are expensive right so [TS]

00:15:58   anyway try making your own ice cream try [TS]

00:16:00   avoiding the ice cream is not that have [TS]

00:16:02   any stabilizers and but they basically [TS]

00:16:03   tastes like you're eating a big thing of [TS]

00:16:05   plastic and you'll be happier [TS]

00:16:08   yeah i mean just try of traveling the [TS]

00:16:10   ones whose ingredient sound like jet [TS]

00:16:12   fuel is basically a good rule here also [TS]

00:16:16   a quick follow-up a handful of people [TS]

00:16:18   wrote me to say oh I didn't know that [TS]

00:16:21   dryers or briars was Edie's where you [TS]

00:16:23   are and and so on and so forth and and [TS]

00:16:26   apparently i got myself very mixed up [TS]

00:16:29   about what's Edie's vs dryers vs briars [TS]

00:16:32   and so I had commented that the slow [TS]

00:16:35   churned which I think had I had [TS]

00:16:38   attributed to dryers the slow turn which [TS]

00:16:41   is the low fat ice cream is actually my [TS]

00:16:43   favorite by taste ice cream which I know [TS]

00:16:44   John really really hates and somebody [TS]

00:16:48   wrote not only me but ed is ice cream on [TS]

00:16:50   Twitter to say you know hey what's the [TS]

00:16:51   story I thought that was a tease and it [TS]

00:16:54   is [TS]

00:16:55   Edie's where I am I had been confused [TS]

00:16:57   Andes ice cream is written Edie's is [TS]

00:16:59   called dryers west of the Rocky [TS]

00:17:01   Mountains and just FYI it's delicious no [TS]

00:17:04   matter what you call it I think so thank [TS]

00:17:05   you tease social media team for [TS]

00:17:08   correcting my unbelievable faux pas [TS]

00:17:10   that's one of my least favorite brands [TS]

00:17:12   of ice cream eating yeah but I should [TS]

00:17:13   recognize the container with states it's [TS]

00:17:14   the same drivers just as [TS]

00:17:16   word on it's kind of like the helmets [TS]

00:17:18   and best foods made a situation one [TS]

00:17:21   flavor of ease though is a flavor this [TS]

00:17:23   ties into last week that I don't think [TS]

00:17:25   it's available anywhere else that I [TS]

00:17:27   think tastes pretty terrible and does [TS]

00:17:29   not taste like it tastes very artificial [TS]

00:17:31   to me and yet i still find myself eating [TS]

00:17:32   it was probably bad is that they make a [TS]

00:17:35   flavor that has basically suppose mixed [TS]

00:17:37   into the ice cream [TS]

00:17:38   oh I tried that it's it I found it [TS]

00:17:40   overwhelmingly like artificial and we're [TS]

00:17:43   totally enjoyed it totally tastes like [TS]

00:17:45   you're eating like puffy plastic with [TS]

00:17:48   some oohs and yes and yet i still find [TS]

00:17:50   myself eating it so that's like I mean I [TS]

00:17:52   don't I would never buy willingly but [TS]

00:17:53   sometimes it appears in the house when [TS]

00:17:55   it does appear in the house i usually [TS]

00:17:56   want touchy these at all but that when i [TS]

00:17:58   will text i would feel bad i would stop [TS]

00:18:00   myself after a little tiny been put it [TS]

00:18:01   back but yeah I mean is that that's the [TS]

00:18:04   draw the Samoans i guess but I repulsed [TS]

00:18:06   by the ice cream be drawn by the broken [TS]

00:18:08   cookies are first sponsor tonight is [TS]

00:18:11   trunk club shopping takes forever and [TS]

00:18:14   nobody has time for it now it's [TS]

00:18:16   summertime you probably have solid pair [TS]

00:18:18   of shorts and swimwear for all your [TS]

00:18:19   offshore activities and it would be nice [TS]

00:18:21   to have somebody else pick all these [TS]

00:18:23   things out for you [TS]

00:18:24   the trunk club you don't ever have to [TS]

00:18:25   set foot in a store and you get your [TS]

00:18:27   very own stylist for free and this is [TS]

00:18:29   not like a robot stylist that like [TS]

00:18:31   button icon screen is an actual human [TS]

00:18:32   being stylish to work with you [TS]

00:18:33   trunk club makes it easy to look your [TS]

00:18:35   best in clothes that fit you perfectly [TS]

00:18:37   handpicked by your own personal stylist [TS]

00:18:39   go to track club.com / ATP type in your [TS]

00:18:42   measurements [TS]

00:18:42   share your likes and dislikes and then [TS]

00:18:45   your very own stylist picks up close for [TS]

00:18:47   you from over 80 top brands and they [TS]

00:18:49   ship them to your door in this box they [TS]

00:18:52   call truck right so here's how this [TS]

00:18:54   works you can keep this in front of 10 [TS]

00:18:55   days try mon feel them out [TS]

00:18:58   keep what you like and just send back [TS]

00:18:59   what you don't and they just charge you [TS]

00:19:01   for what you like it is not just a [TS]

00:19:03   regular to shop online your stylist is [TS]

00:19:04   taking the time to understand your [TS]

00:19:06   unique look and if you live in dallas [TS]

00:19:08   New York LA Chicago DC you can even go [TS]

00:19:10   to one of their retail stores com [TS]

00:19:12   clubhouses to work with your stylist in [TS]

00:19:15   person for free all this is free service [TS]

00:19:17   here and you just pay for the clothes [TS]

00:19:19   now this is not a subscription service [TS]

00:19:21   you can request them to send you the [TS]

00:19:23   trunk of clothes at any frequency you [TS]

00:19:26   want it could be never [TS]

00:19:27   it could be once a year it could be once [TS]

00:19:29   a week [TS]

00:19:30   whatever you want you request them to [TS]

00:19:31   send you a box of new stuff you up to 10 [TS]

00:19:33   days to figure out whether you want to [TS]

00:19:34   keep any of it or not you keep what you [TS]

00:19:36   want the charging for that you send the [TS]

00:19:38   rest back and that's it is risk-free [TS]

00:19:39   there's no subscription fee no auto [TS]

00:19:41   billing nothing like that i had no idea [TS]

00:19:43   that wasn't subscription it isn't [TS]

00:19:45   subscription and it's for men and women [TS]

00:19:46   by the way so make a statement the next [TS]

00:19:48   big event in your calendar with a look [TS]

00:19:50   at handpick just for you and your style [TS]

00:19:52   get started a trunk club today this is [TS]

00:19:54   premium clothes expert advice from real [TS]

00:19:56   human stylists with no word from you go [TS]

00:19:58   to trunk club com / ATP to get started [TS]

00:20:02   today once again that's trunk club com / [TS]

00:20:05   ATP thanks a lot for sponsoring I've [TS]

00:20:11   done a terrible job with my duties as [TS]

00:20:13   chief summarizer in chief and I have not [TS]

00:20:15   done my homework I've pulled a Marco and [TS]

00:20:17   I apologize to everyone welcome it's [TS]

00:20:20   nice over here [TS]

00:20:20   really it was very relaxing i will admit [TS]

00:20:23   so apparently something has happened [TS]

00:20:26   with iCloud vs dropbox for Scrivener is [TS]

00:20:28   that how you pronounce at Scribner [TS]

00:20:29   sinking and I don't know which one you [TS]

00:20:32   put this in the show notes but I will [TS]

00:20:33   kick it over to you to take over my [TS]

00:20:34   duties and the mantle can guess [TS]

00:20:37   yeah I figured it was you but I also [TS]

00:20:39   didn't hear about this this is gonna be [TS]

00:20:41   a short segment we all right John tell [TS]

00:20:44   us about Scribner if you please it's my [TS]

00:20:45   old news and I bring it back up to the [TS]

00:20:47   top because it ties into our past [TS]

00:20:49   discussions about a PFS and the cloning [TS]

00:20:52   of entire directory hierarchies without [TS]

00:20:54   having to like go down and copy each [TS]

00:20:56   individual file dressed up to clone a [TS]

00:20:57   whole tree of the file system in a copy [TS]

00:20:59   in right manner which is good for apples [TS]

00:21:02   file formats that are actually folders [TS]

00:21:04   for files also Scrivener is a word [TS]

00:21:07   processing application for like it i [TS]

00:21:08   think design most for writing like books [TS]

00:21:10   you can have like notes and your [TS]

00:21:12   outlines and plot summary and character [TS]

00:21:14   information all tied together with your [TS]

00:21:15   manuscript the book you're writing and [TS]

00:21:17   everything and it uses a file format [TS]

00:21:19   that's also a directory full of files [TS]

00:21:20   you can have all these different things [TS]

00:21:22   it's basically like a big project format [TS]

00:21:23   right and they have a sinking system and [TS]

00:21:27   they were going to use iCloud apparently [TS]

00:21:30   but we're not able to because it doesn't [TS]

00:21:32   provide the features they need to sync [TS]

00:21:33   there [TS]

00:21:34   directory for files things that they're [TS]

00:21:37   gonna try to be nice as much sweet love [TS]

00:21:39   iCloud this is from this webpage link in [TS]

00:21:40   the show notes current from the script [TS]

00:21:42   of people themselves current limitations [TS]

00:21:44   and in the end difficulties with iCloud [TS]

00:21:46   mean it's not great present [TS]

00:21:48   not at present suited for the sort of [TS]

00:21:50   complex package base file format used by [TS]

00:21:51   scoring you would think it would be [TS]

00:21:52   totally suited for that because Apple [TS]

00:21:54   has those file formats to and you know [TS]

00:21:56   the next operating system and sort of [TS]

00:21:57   the genesis of those file formats of the [TS]

00:21:59   popularization of them anyway but no [TS]

00:22:02   dropbox on the other hand which is what [TS]

00:22:04   they do use first thing solution gives [TS]

00:22:06   them the control they need and one of [TS]

00:22:07   the big complaints but I cloud is they [TS]

00:22:09   don't know when things will sink it's [TS]

00:22:11   not as if they can initiate a sink and [TS]

00:22:12   get notified when it's done things just [TS]

00:22:14   magically appear behind the scenes in [TS]

00:22:16   sort of a background manner and that can [TS]

00:22:18   leave this file format this folder for [TS]

00:22:21   files in an unknown inconsistent state [TS]

00:22:23   and so what they say in this blog post [TS]

00:22:27   about his technical limitations is [TS]

00:22:28   they'd rather have use complaining they [TS]

00:22:30   don't like manually sinking then the [TS]

00:22:33   just lost for hours of writing because [TS]

00:22:34   of structural changes like you could end [TS]

00:22:36   up with a document like if you saying [TS]

00:22:37   you think you're doing your clothes [TS]

00:22:38   letting your laptop but didn't really [TS]

00:22:39   finish you got like a half finished [TS]

00:22:40   document there and that's bad and [TS]

00:22:43   dropbox apparently gives them the [TS]

00:22:44   control to sink the whole thing on [TS]

00:22:46   demand let me know when it's done either [TS]

00:22:47   have the thing entirely synced or [TS]

00:22:49   entirely in the previous state clear [TS]

00:22:52   with apple's new file system that they [TS]

00:22:54   will have at least on a local side the [TS]

00:22:56   ability to do these operations [TS]

00:22:57   atomically but their iCloud api's with [TS]

00:23:00   the sort of magic [TS]

00:23:02   oh you don't need to know the details [TS]

00:23:03   just so there's a folder there and [TS]

00:23:05   eventually the documents you want to [TS]

00:23:07   appear everywhere and in the meantime [TS]

00:23:08   there's like proxy documents that you [TS]

00:23:10   can get metadata about and so it doesn't [TS]

00:23:11   work when what you care about is not an [TS]

00:23:14   individual file but entire directory [TS]

00:23:16   full of files because apparently that [TS]

00:23:19   that you know the iCloud Drive and sick [TS]

00:23:22   people were on the same page with the [TS]

00:23:24   people writing that are tfd files and [TS]

00:23:26   text editor maybe doesn't matter when [TS]

00:23:28   you've got a half-finished rd file may [TS]

00:23:30   assume it will sink in the rest of the [TS]

00:23:31   way anyway this is yet another sad story [TS]

00:23:33   of a developer who desperately wants to [TS]

00:23:35   use iCloud eventually having to go to a [TS]

00:23:37   different solution very often developers [TS]

00:23:39   are all their own solutions or they go a [TS]

00:23:41   dropbox or something else is sort of the [TS]

00:23:43   the ongoing failure of [TS]

00:23:45   icloud to fulfill the even the most [TS]

00:23:48   basic needs of some of the best [TS]

00:23:50   developers of mac applications or iOS [TS]

00:23:53   applications that matter files thinking [TS]

00:23:56   is your data syncing is hard in general [TS]

00:23:58   and I think what we see is iCloud Drive [TS]

00:24:01   and you know it's in other words [TS]

00:24:02   examples where like when I clad [TS]

00:24:04   interacts with the filesystem it's not [TS]

00:24:07   it's not always great [TS]

00:24:10   it seems like cloudkit and what they've [TS]

00:24:12   made with cloudkit is able to be really [TS]

00:24:15   great and you know it with certain apps [TS]

00:24:17   with certain things that go well they'll [TS]

00:24:18   be really great but whenever I said [TS]

00:24:20   interacts with like files on disk that [TS]

00:24:22   have to existing file system and be [TS]

00:24:24   interacted with it in other ways as well [TS]

00:24:26   that is that seems like it's not even [TS]

00:24:29   there yet and I worry about that a [TS]

00:24:31   little bit but you know we have other [TS]

00:24:33   solutions for that we have dropbox we [TS]

00:24:35   have well drop box and it's and it seems [TS]

00:24:39   to work well for most people so i guess [TS]

00:24:42   it's okay now I is located in the in the [TS]

00:24:44   grand scheme of things but it was kind [TS]

00:24:46   of sad that Apple is still not really [TS]

00:24:48   playing well in that game [TS]

00:24:49   I mean on the individual file basis to [TS]

00:24:51   have most of this was not the whole idea [TS]

00:24:53   is the difference between an API where [TS]

00:24:55   you say please do sink now like even a [TS]

00:24:57   synchronous API where you say make this [TS]

00:25:00   call and when the call returns the thing [TS]

00:25:02   i asked to be done is done that can work [TS]

00:25:04   on individual file basis and cloud is [TS]

00:25:06   much more like that and that you have [TS]

00:25:07   the control over that i'm not sure if [TS]

00:25:09   they complain about clouds kit [TS]

00:25:10   specifically for iCloud Drive that [TS]

00:25:11   doesn't like magically got in the back [TS]

00:25:13   but all that is on a single individual [TS]

00:25:16   file there's no sort of like oh this [TS]

00:25:18   entire tree of files i want you to think [TS]

00:25:20   all that and tell me when all that is [TS]

00:25:22   done unless you're going to try to each [TS]

00:25:23   individual one and then what about files [TS]

00:25:25   that have been added or removed there's [TS]

00:25:27   no there's no api for to do things at [TS]

00:25:29   that level and the related thing that [TS]

00:25:31   came up today [TS]

00:25:33   this is about the Sierra beta maybe I [TS]

00:25:35   shouldn't say who's reporting this [TS]

00:25:37   because I don't know what you're [TS]

00:25:37   supposed to say about the Sierra bait is [TS]

00:25:39   a public beta i don't know i don't know [TS]

00:25:41   the rules in your but anyway we all know [TS]

00:25:43   from the keynote that mac OS Sierra has [TS]

00:25:46   this feature where it will automatically [TS]

00:25:49   sync your desktop remember that like all [TS]

00:25:52   the stuff you need to stop between your [TS]

00:25:53   max and also apparently your documents [TS]

00:25:54   folder I figure it is when i installed [TS]

00:25:56   it's like a checkbox or something hey do [TS]

00:25:58   you want [TS]

00:25:58   do you want like Apple to sync all the [TS]

00:26:00   stuff in your documents folder and [TS]

00:26:01   desktop and I was like hell no discussed [TS]

00:26:06   in the past likely has done to anyway so [TS]

00:26:08   someone someone we all know check that [TS]

00:26:11   checkbox to see what it was like and [TS]

00:26:13   like bodyguards and especially have one [TS]

00:26:14   computer like da it's thinking stuff or [TS]

00:26:17   whatever and at some point it they said [TS]

00:26:20   all right i want to stop doing that and [TS]

00:26:22   like uncheck the checkbox and when you [TS]

00:26:23   uncheck it's like I that you know that [TS]

00:26:26   the phrasing they use like when you go [TS]

00:26:27   into the iCloud preference pane and [TS]

00:26:29   uncheck like contacts or something or [TS]

00:26:31   whatever and it's like keep in mind that [TS]

00:26:34   the whatever it will no longer be [TS]

00:26:35   available on your Mac you know that [TS]

00:26:37   everything that was like the way they [TS]

00:26:39   don't want to say we're going to delete [TS]

00:26:40   your stuff but they're like whatever [TS]

00:26:42   you're talking about will no longer be [TS]

00:26:44   available on your Mac or some somebody [TS]

00:26:46   like that and i don't know if people [TS]

00:26:48   really know what that means [TS]

00:26:50   I mean it's kind of it's accurate but it [TS]

00:26:52   means like your stuff go bye-bye now [TS]

00:26:54   like it's not gonna be there anything [TS]

00:26:55   we're going to delete it and and this [TS]

00:26:58   person who's checking this box like but [TS]

00:27:00   this is my documents folder surely don't [TS]

00:27:02   they don't mean they'll remove [TS]

00:27:03   everything in my documents folder if I [TS]

00:27:05   check this checkbox right so this person [TS]

00:27:08   unchecked it and lo and behold the [TS]

00:27:10   documents everything in the documents [TS]

00:27:11   folder went away like everything [TS]

00:27:14   oh now it's not really gone apparently [TS]

00:27:17   like the system is is scrolling it away [TS]

00:27:19   in a different location if you know [TS]

00:27:20   where you can you can you know find it [TS]

00:27:23   it's still there like and you can make [TS]

00:27:24   you come back we succinct and all that [TS]

00:27:25   other stuff but this is probably working [TS]

00:27:28   like as designed [TS]

00:27:29   but a this is a terrifying design [TS]

00:27:31   because i don't think people expected to [TS]

00:27:33   happen i think people mostly do keep [TS]

00:27:34   everything that they care about on their [TS]

00:27:36   desktop in the document soldier if they [TS]

00:27:37   were to uncheck the checkbox it [TS]

00:27:38   everything disappeared even if they can [TS]

00:27:40   get it back by rechecking the the panic [TS]

00:27:43   and the trust lost by that interaction [TS]

00:27:45   is terrible and then set the other part [TS]

00:27:48   of that is if anything does go wrong and [TS]

00:27:50   you check the checkbox to try to get it [TS]

00:27:51   back and it gives you back like an old [TS]

00:27:53   version of the file or something like it [TS]

00:27:55   which you know could happen because [TS]

00:27:57   think it's really hard that's going to [TS]

00:27:58   be just insult on top of injury will be [TS]

00:28:01   be terrible so I really hope they [TS]

00:28:03   reconsider this interface and the whole [TS]

00:28:05   idea [TS]

00:28:06   this is a series of check boxes that you [TS]

00:28:08   can check the mixed up with like one of [TS]

00:28:09   the most important [TS]

00:28:11   sort of user interface decisions that [TS]

00:28:15   dropbox made was that the files in [TS]

00:28:18   dropbox will want to talk about this [TS]

00:28:19   marvelous dropboxes project infinite [TS]

00:28:21   which changes this soon but the files in [TS]

00:28:23   dropbox folder or just plain files on [TS]

00:28:25   your Mac if you turn dropbox off those [TS]

00:28:28   files are still sitting on your Mac [TS]

00:28:29   exactly where they were [TS]

00:28:30   if you never run dropbox again those [TS]

00:28:32   files are still just sitting there right [TS]

00:28:33   there not drop box doesn't like control [TS]

00:28:37   those files to the point where I go you [TS]

00:28:38   quit dropbox your entire dropbox folder [TS]

00:28:40   is empty [TS]

00:28:40   no they're just files on your disk when [TS]

00:28:41   you turn dropbox on it looks at it is [TS]

00:28:44   dropbox folder and sinks the mall and [TS]

00:28:45   does all this stuff or whatever when you [TS]

00:28:46   turn it off or if dropbox crashes in the [TS]

00:28:48   middle [TS]

00:28:49   everything is just exactly the way it [TS]

00:28:50   was because they're just real files on [TS]

00:28:52   your disk and yes that means that if you [TS]

00:28:53   have five computers all using dropbox [TS]

00:28:55   you have five individual different [TS]

00:28:56   copies of those same files and if you [TS]

00:28:59   installed dropbox from all of them not [TS]

00:29:01   all five computers have the same files [TS]

00:29:02   on them but they're just plain files on [TS]

00:29:03   disk same is true of iCloud Drive but [TS]

00:29:06   the policy is saying when you uncheck [TS]

00:29:08   this checkbox the only way we can deal [TS]

00:29:09   with it is to remove these things from [TS]

00:29:12   your documents folder from your desktop [TS]

00:29:13   and blanket out and put them into a [TS]

00:29:14   different folder even or do anything [TS]

00:29:17   with them at all other than to leave [TS]

00:29:18   them exactly where they are is that is [TS]

00:29:21   the wrong decision even if it works [TS]

00:29:22   perfectly so anyway [TS]

00:29:24   Sierra's beta i don't know if this was [TS]

00:29:26   intended feature a bug anything you know [TS]

00:29:29   but plenty of Asterix and caveats on [TS]

00:29:32   this I'm not slamming and release [TS]

00:29:34   operating system but i really hope when [TS]

00:29:36   this feature does exist that has a [TS]

00:29:37   better policy than that and even it [TS]

00:29:38   doesn't snow on enabling it because i [TS]

00:29:40   still find a scary [TS]

00:29:41   yeah i mean i think this is one of those [TS]

00:29:43   problems where you know but when you [TS]

00:29:45   have like the the folder full of files [TS]

00:29:47   that need to be synced there are so many [TS]

00:29:49   weird little uncomfortable edge cases or [TS]

00:29:53   areas where you need some kind of [TS]

00:29:54   administrator tools so for instance any [TS]

00:29:56   kind of merge conflict or like what [TS]

00:29:59   dropbox does which we learn about with [TS]

00:30:01   our with our discussion about filenames [TS]

00:30:03   apparently like Dropbox will create like [TS]

00:30:05   a conflict if you have two different [TS]

00:30:08   unicode encoding to the same name it [TS]

00:30:10   will just leave them both there and [TS]

00:30:12   we'll rename one or both of them like [TS]

00:30:14   naming conflicts or something like that [TS]

00:30:16   right and what if if you have a merge [TS]

00:30:18   conflict in dropbox it keeps both or all [TS]

00:30:21   three files and it just renamed them [TS]

00:30:23   with parenthesis at the end like [TS]

00:30:24   no you know conflict version whatever [TS]

00:30:26   whatever whatever whatever other format [TS]

00:30:28   they use and these are all kind of ugly [TS]

00:30:30   solutions to real-world conditions but [TS]

00:30:33   these are the kind of these are the kind [TS]

00:30:35   of like ugly results that you kind of [TS]

00:30:38   can't automate this away in a way that [TS]

00:30:40   will never lose data for people or that [TS]

00:30:42   will that will always do exactly what [TS]

00:30:43   people want to do but Apple tries to so [TS]

00:30:47   Apple Apple seems like the kind of [TS]

00:30:49   institutionally allergic to adding in [TS]

00:30:52   these kind of like administrative [TS]

00:30:55   ugliness things that even when they have [TS]

00:30:58   to be there like a case like a merge [TS]

00:30:59   conflict on file-sharing like a dropbox [TS]

00:31:01   folder Apple solution is usually we're [TS]

00:31:05   just gonna guess and hope that we guess [TS]

00:31:06   right through some kind of heuristics [TS]

00:31:08   that will probably write most of the [TS]

00:31:09   time and if that will just deal with it [TS]

00:31:12   like that will just be the way it dealt [TS]

00:31:13   with then if you lose data oh well like [TS]

00:31:16   that seems to be their approach most of [TS]

00:31:17   the time of these kind of like difficult [TS]

00:31:19   sync problems but i don't think that [TS]

00:31:21   works very well in in an environment [TS]

00:31:23   where you have like peoples files in [TS]

00:31:25   folders that have always worked a [TS]

00:31:26   certain with people are accustomed to [TS]

00:31:27   the people expect and that people will [TS]

00:31:29   require for their data to be you know [TS]

00:31:31   there and reliable and intact and [TS]

00:31:32   everything like apples approach to just [TS]

00:31:34   where it's going to go into avoid giving [TS]

00:31:36   you any kind of controls to manage the [TS]

00:31:38   actual complexity of this problem i [TS]

00:31:40   don't think that works for files one of [TS]

00:31:42   the advancements of cloudkit was that it [TS]

00:31:44   would delegate to the application to [TS]

00:31:46   make this decision to say college kid [TS]

00:31:47   will let you know there's a conflict and [TS]

00:31:50   you'll get this callback and it's up to [TS]

00:31:51   you what to do about it and you could [TS]

00:31:53   decide in your application I'm just [TS]

00:31:54   gonna keep all three copies your name [TS]

00:31:55   with parentheses write this the [TS]

00:31:58   situation with the iCloud Drive or [TS]

00:32:01   whatever the sinking of the desktop [TS]

00:32:02   stuff is like that's more of a policy [TS]

00:32:05   decision saying what should we do when [TS]

00:32:06   we uncheck that box I think the right [TS]

00:32:08   decision and check that box is just [TS]

00:32:09   leave everything exactly the way it is [TS]

00:32:11   on desk and not mess with it anymore but [TS]

00:32:13   the decision-making is kind of the same [TS]

00:32:14   decision they make for contacts or and [TS]

00:32:17   all the other things you can check and [TS]

00:32:19   uncheck the iCloud preference pane that [TS]

00:32:21   they well sometimes they act like [TS]

00:32:22   they're gonna ask you should we remove [TS]

00:32:24   the ones or leave them on your Mac they [TS]

00:32:25   should ask the same thing for the [TS]

00:32:26   documents again we're going to think [TS]

00:32:27   maybe this is an intentional feature [TS]

00:32:29   they just haven't gotten around to that [TS]

00:32:30   to change that dialog box in that way [TS]

00:32:32   but it just goes to show that there are [TS]

00:32:34   lots of things that you can do to [TS]

00:32:36   confuse and frighten the user and [TS]

00:32:38   perhaps the worst one is making all [TS]

00:32:39   their stuff apparently disappear [TS]

00:32:41   universe all safely preserved both [TS]

00:32:42   locally in a different folder that they [TS]

00:32:44   renamed and on the cloud that that [TS]

00:32:47   moment of trust you know you're losing [TS]

00:32:49   the users trust is going to make them [TS]

00:32:50   now i'm going to use that product [TS]

00:32:52   anymore and drop box with the renaming [TS]

00:32:53   with the garbage house and everything my [TS]

00:32:55   experiences that happens to people and [TS]

00:32:57   they don't even notice until like a [TS]

00:32:58   month later like what is this [TS]

00:33:00   whatever is conflicted copy file here I [TS]

00:33:02   don't quite understand that but the [TS]

00:33:04   reason they didn't notice is because it [TS]

00:33:06   didn't actually delete anything and [TS]

00:33:07   always you know fails in a way that [TS]

00:33:10   gives you extra data extra garbage files [TS]

00:33:13   like well I've got the file that [TS]

00:33:14   expected everything to more than I [TS]

00:33:15   didn't expect that you've got all three [TS]

00:33:17   versions of the file and if one of them [TS]

00:33:18   is named differently and you can't [TS]

00:33:19   figure it out you go there and you sort [TS]

00:33:21   by name and you'll find there's a bunch [TS]

00:33:23   of the file similar you'll find your [TS]

00:33:24   stuff like it won't as opposed to trying [TS]

00:33:27   to pick the correct file for you or [TS]

00:33:29   presenting some dialogue for you to [TS]

00:33:32   choose how to resolve the conflict when [TS]

00:33:33   you don't have enough information to do [TS]

00:33:35   that so dropbox solution is not great [TS]

00:33:38   for a lot of situations where you don't [TS]

00:33:39   want to making a bunch of garbage files [TS]

00:33:41   but it's a good choice for just sort of [TS]

00:33:43   a generic been full of uh you know [TS]

00:33:45   folders for files without any specific [TS]

00:33:48   purpose because it you know that their [TS]

00:33:51   their strategy is the worst thing we can [TS]

00:33:53   do is lose someone's data uh it's much [TS]

00:33:57   better to give them a bunch of garbage [TS]

00:33:59   files into makes them disappear [TS]

00:34:01   why do you think that Google Drive and [TS]

00:34:04   like onedrive and to some degree box [TS]

00:34:07   haven't tried to be that like everything [TS]

00:34:09   sink engine that dropbox has seemed to [TS]

00:34:11   become they are trying that it's a [TS]

00:34:14   different policies like I think Google [TS]

00:34:16   Drive is very similar to dropbox i [TS]

00:34:18   haven't actually used one drive but all [TS]

00:34:20   of them [TS]

00:34:21   oh all these products including dropbox [TS]

00:34:22   now with the project infinite thing are [TS]

00:34:24   dancing around the other trade off like [TS]

00:34:26   Dropbox thing of a every single files on [TS]

00:34:29   your on your mac and we will think it [TS]

00:34:31   and then i added selective sink many [TS]

00:34:32   years ago where you can choose which [TS]

00:34:34   files you want to sync [TS]

00:34:36   dropbox infinite is all right we'll make [TS]

00:34:40   it look like the files is my [TS]

00:34:41   understanding and eventually actually [TS]

00:34:42   use it will make it look like the files [TS]

00:34:44   on your Mac but really they will be in [TS]

00:34:45   the cloud which makes a lot of sensitive [TS]

00:34:46   in a pervasively network-connected [TS]

00:34:48   office and let you like pin i'm assuming [TS]

00:34:51   it will let you pin files to your Mac so [TS]

00:34:52   they don't go away [TS]

00:34:53   it's it's so you can have basically more [TS]

00:34:56   stuff in your dropbox then will fit on [TS]

00:34:58   your Mac or like selective on-demand [TS]

00:35:00   selective sinks are like your paging in [TS]

00:35:02   the files from the cloud onto your mac [TS]

00:35:04   as you use them and as you don't use [TS]

00:35:06   them they don't need to be on your Mac [TS]

00:35:07   or you could say never bring this all on [TS]

00:35:10   my Mac just sort of impacts it over the [TS]

00:35:11   network is sort of a blending of NFS [TS]

00:35:14   mounts and dropbox complete copying of [TS]

00:35:16   files and all the stuff and it does that [TS]

00:35:18   with a kernel extensions a whole article [TS]

00:35:20   about it on dropbox think it's it's very [TS]

00:35:23   interesting but it's a very different [TS]

00:35:24   trade off the dropbox makes and it's [TS]

00:35:26   much more dangerous because they messed [TS]

00:35:27   anything up there [TS]

00:35:29   bad things can happen like the the [TS]

00:35:31   reassurance of dropbox like i said is [TS]

00:35:33   that you can quit the dropbox app never [TS]

00:35:35   launched it again and everything in that [TS]

00:35:36   dropbox folder is exactly you know what [TS]

00:35:38   you see is what's there now those files [TS]

00:35:40   are fake none of them are proxy files [TS]

00:35:41   that are all there they're all taking up [TS]

00:35:43   the space on your Mac you don't have to [TS]

00:35:45   worry wonder which ones are where and [TS]

00:35:47   you know you can move things in and out [TS]

00:35:50   of it they're not constrained in any way [TS]

00:35:51   they don't have weird permissions on [TS]

00:35:53   them they're just plain old files and [TS]

00:35:55   project it takes that away in exchange [TS]

00:35:57   for your not having to deal with [TS]

00:35:59   selective sink and have you you know [TS]

00:36:01   fill up your disk because someone in a [TS]

00:36:02   share folder put a ton of stuff in there [TS]

00:36:04   and all sorts of other downsides of the [TS]

00:36:07   traditional dropbox model but it's a [TS]

00:36:09   much higher degree of difficulty [TS]

00:36:10   anything a lot of the other vendors went [TS]

00:36:12   right for the higher degree of [TS]

00:36:13   difficulty and never sort of started off [TS]

00:36:16   as simple as Dropbox advantage tropic [TS]

00:36:17   has had I think is that you know before [TS]

00:36:20   selective think it was a very simple [TS]

00:36:22   user model that people could understand [TS]

00:36:24   didn't have a lot of features was so [TS]

00:36:26   simple can be implemented by a bunch of [TS]

00:36:27   python scripts for crying out loud and I [TS]

00:36:30   think dropbox built a lot of trust and [TS]

00:36:33   goodwill with that simple model and now [TS]

00:36:36   they can expand like as expand to select [TS]

00:36:38   this think that didn't cause people to [TS]

00:36:39   flee because it was too confusing to [TS]

00:36:40   just a tweak of the thing they [TS]

00:36:41   understood will see a project incident [TS]

00:36:43   as a bridge too far but I think that's [TS]

00:36:45   the big advantage that dropbox had that [TS]

00:36:47   I think big companies like Google [TS]

00:36:48   Microsoft can't help [TS]

00:36:49   but immediately implement all the [TS]

00:36:51   complicated features do you plan on [TS]

00:36:53   trying dropbox infinite I doubt it [TS]

00:36:57   I mean I'm I'm not dissatisfied with the [TS]

00:37:00   plane dropbox I have a lot of disk space [TS]

00:37:02   i do you select this think sometimes to [TS]

00:37:04   keep things you know from getting too [TS]

00:37:07   big they do have some shared folders and [TS]

00:37:08   I really hate dropboxes policy of like [TS]

00:37:09   shared folders count towards your quota [TS]

00:37:11   which is ridiculous because you know [TS]

00:37:12   they're only starting one copy of the [TS]

00:37:13   stuff server-side probably won't [TS]

00:37:16   especially since it uses the colonel [TS]

00:37:18   extension but i will be curious about it [TS]

00:37:19   so I don't rule it out [TS]

00:37:21   yeah i don't i don't actually plan to [TS]

00:37:22   try it honestly I mean maybe if you know [TS]

00:37:26   on a laptop i might try it on my main [TS]

00:37:28   computer i definitely would rather just [TS]

00:37:30   buy more hard drive space and just suck [TS]

00:37:32   it up then then run those risks and [TS]

00:37:34   everything but on a laptop maybe yeah i [TS]

00:37:37   don't i don't have that much stuff in my [TS]

00:37:40   dropbox well I have nine gigs available [TS]

00:37:45   of which I've used a little over half of [TS]

00:37:47   it so there's something there's what [TS]

00:37:49   four gigs little more maybe even five [TS]

00:37:51   gigs in there but it's not that much and [TS]

00:37:54   even the smallest laptop can grab all of [TS]

00:37:57   that i'm still on a free dropbox plan i [TS]

00:38:00   haven't had a need to pay for and i'm [TS]

00:38:01   not opposed to paying for it i just had [TS]

00:38:03   the need to pay for it so i actually [TS]

00:38:05   just started paying for at WTC this year [TS]

00:38:08   like that's like finally what [TS]

00:38:11   so what put you over the edge I wanted [TS]

00:38:14   an easy way to quickly have a backup of [TS]

00:38:17   the podcast files that we had recorded [TS]

00:38:20   there and it was just easier than [TS]

00:38:23   setting up something else at that moment [TS]

00:38:24   in the in the very brief time but I was [TS]

00:38:26   sitting in the Fast Ethernet area of [TS]

00:38:29   moscone well enough and i thought you [TS]

00:38:31   know what I i kept hitting it because i [TS]

00:38:32   only had like the regular 2gig limit [TS]

00:38:34   plus like a couple hundred max woman but [TS]

00:38:36   I would I kept I kept running into that [TS]

00:38:37   all the time with just like transferring [TS]

00:38:39   podcast files back and forth like you [TS]

00:38:40   know this is video it's about time [TS]

00:38:42   let me let me actually finally pay for [TS]

00:38:44   this product that i've been using and [TS]

00:38:45   running the business on for literally [TS]

00:38:47   years [TS]

00:38:47   yeah makes sense and i also kinda like [TS]

00:38:51   that [TS]

00:38:52   the synology has a lot of a cloud sync [TS]

00:38:55   or something like that which puts a copy [TS]

00:38:56   of dropbox on this technology just meet [TS]

00:38:58   as another backup [TS]

00:39:00   oh I don't know that yeah i think it's [TS]

00:39:01   called cloud sync there's one of the [TS]

00:39:03   apps that you can install i'll have to [TS]

00:39:06   get it get you the name after the show [TS]

00:39:08   one of the apps you can install [TS]

00:39:09   basically acts as another dropbox client [TS]

00:39:12   and so if you wanted to you could have [TS]

00:39:14   an additional backup of your dropbox [TS]

00:39:17   sitting on your Synology our second part [TS]

00:39:20   to this week is zero go to erode [TS]

00:39:23   comments ter o.com / ATP now imagine if [TS]

00:39:28   your electricity didn't reach certain [TS]

00:39:30   parts of the house or intermittent in [TS]

00:39:32   certain parts of the house that would be [TS]

00:39:33   ridiculous right but this is the status [TS]

00:39:35   quo for Wi-Fi with dead zones and [TS]

00:39:36   buffering effect in far too many of us 0 [TS]

00:39:39   is designed to change all of this year [TS]

00:39:41   manufacturers a single device it's a [TS]

00:39:44   small elegant box of it that the size of [TS]

00:39:46   an apple TV and it's a Wi-Fi router and [TS]

00:39:49   the idea is with the help of their dead [TS]

00:39:51   simple app you put multiple ero devices [TS]

00:39:54   in your home [TS]

00:39:55   the first one replaces your router [TS]

00:39:57   access the regular router you plug in [TS]

00:39:59   ethernet to it and for your internet [TS]

00:40:00   connection and you plug into your cable [TS]

00:40:02   modem or DSL modem and that's it and [TS]

00:40:04   then you can plug in any number of [TS]

00:40:06   additional eros just a regular outlets [TS]

00:40:08   you don't have to wire them to your [TS]

00:40:09   connection you plug into electric outlet [TS]

00:40:11   and then they all connect wirelessly to [TS]

00:40:13   each other and form a mesh network that [TS]

00:40:15   blankets your home in fast reliable [TS]

00:40:17   Wi-Fi now the single router model just [TS]

00:40:20   doesn't work we all notice we've all [TS]

00:40:22   tried single routers especially many of [TS]

00:40:25   them that advertised long range or how [TS]

00:40:26   are covered in a bunch of the antennas [TS]

00:40:28   and they always say that they're going [TS]

00:40:30   to cover your whole house and they never [TS]

00:40:32   did was always low reception zones or [TS]

00:40:34   slow zones or dead zones always what you [TS]

00:40:37   need is a distributed system with [TS]

00:40:39   multiple access points that's 10 gives [TS]

00:40:41   you it is really fast easy to set up [TS]

00:40:44   super easy to use the devices is the [TS]

00:40:46   actual the actually routers are nice and [TS]

00:40:49   small you don't the wire anything except [TS]

00:40:50   the very first one to your actual [TS]

00:40:51   internet connection and they have [TS]

00:40:53   incredible support if you needed of [TS]

00:40:54   course it's all encrypted it's all fast [TS]

00:40:57   it is really a great solution to this [TS]

00:41:00   problem they recommend 10 for every [TS]

00:41:02   roughly thousand square feet so typical [TS]

00:41:04   us home is probably gonna have [TS]

00:41:06   two or three of them a three-pack of the [TS]

00:41:07   great starting point check it out today [TS]

00:41:09   go to 0 comments de ro dot-com / ATP if [TS]

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00:41:20   eros.com ero calm / ATP and use [TS]

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00:41:26   ATP thanks a lot to ear / sponsoring our [TS]

00:41:29   show once again apparently hackintosh [TS]

00:41:35   'as are still a thing and micron doll [TS]

00:41:38   just built one and that's about the [TS]

00:41:40   extent of my knowledge on this on this [TS]

00:41:41   scenario so John tell us about this [TS]

00:41:43   yeah don't call it a comeback people are [TS]

00:41:44   always it came up again because someone [TS]

00:41:48   didn't have a blog post about it and it [TS]

00:41:50   as we've been talking about for weeks on [TS]

00:41:52   the show about how it's basically the [TS]

00:41:54   wrong time to buy any Mac because [TS]

00:41:55   they're all locally out of date with the [TS]

00:41:57   exception of the 5k imac maybe and I [TS]

00:42:00   guess the little macbook I suppose [TS]

00:42:01   because that's fairly up-to-date but [TS]

00:42:03   everything else is just as incredibly [TS]

00:42:05   old hardware there's been lots of snarky [TS]

00:42:07   tweets about involvement think someone [TS]

00:42:09   Marco retweeted somebody saying I used [TS]

00:42:12   to be that you made a hackintosh to get [TS]

00:42:15   yourself a cheap mcintosh now you do a [TS]

00:42:17   hackintosh just so you can run mac OS on [TS]

00:42:19   hardware that is not insanely outdated [TS]

00:42:21   like it's not it's not it's not a [TS]

00:42:23   money-saving move and it's not even like [TS]

00:42:25   I want to build this amazing beast of a [TS]

00:42:27   box type of move [TS]

00:42:28   it's more like I just want to run my [TS]

00:42:30   preferred operating system on hardware [TS]

00:42:33   that was made in the past year or two [TS]

00:42:36   and so that's apple's fault for letting [TS]

00:42:39   that stuff go by but every time someone [TS]

00:42:41   builds hackintosh people are amazed that [TS]

00:42:43   you can essentially build a pc which is [TS]

00:42:45   what you know [TS]

00:42:46   marmax are it when you get down to brass [TS]

00:42:48   tacks in terms of the components for an [TS]

00:42:50   incredibly small amount of money so this [TS]

00:42:52   was a 1200 dollar hackintosh it's like [TS]

00:42:54   Trump's any computer could buy from [TS]

00:42:56   apple at any price for the most part it [TS]

00:42:59   particularly galling are things like how [TS]

00:43:02   cheap the ram can be you know it's not [TS]

00:43:04   apples to apples i go on the Mac Pro has [TS]

00:43:06   ECC ram and that's why I cost more money [TS]

00:43:08   and all these other excuses for why the [TS]

00:43:10   ram so much more expensive but [TS]

00:43:11   I will cause we have to be just before [TS]

00:43:13   the show apple charges thirteen hundred [TS]

00:43:15   dollars for 64 gigabytes of ddr3 ram for [TS]

00:43:18   the mac pro you can get 64 gigabytes of [TS]

00:43:21   ddr4 ram for $275 so that is $275 verses [TS]

00:43:28   thirteen hundred dollars the same man [TS]

00:43:30   daram just drop the easy i granted it is [TS]

00:43:32   DC vs not but that is you know that [TS]

00:43:34   doesn't fit the price but not that much [TS]

00:43:36   yeah exactly i mean is it's nonsensical [TS]

00:43:38   like that the price of the mac pros is [TS]

00:43:40   crazy pants and well I will say though [TS]

00:43:42   with with this particular case this [TS]

00:43:44   particular hackintosh it is not using [TS]

00:43:47   the xeon it is not using the server [TS]

00:43:48   chipset is not using ECC ram it is [TS]

00:43:51   really an imac not a macpro comparison [TS]

00:43:55   here this and there it is still a good [TS]

00:43:58   comparison to make [TS]

00:43:59   however this is not making a very cheap [TS]

00:44:01   mac pro this is making a very cheap imac [TS]

00:44:03   but it's way faster than the mac pro [TS]

00:44:05   though in every measurable way so it [TS]

00:44:07   doesn't really matter isn't it literally [TS]

00:44:08   the exact same CPU that sold for in the [TS]

00:44:10   5k imac probably on the footpath for the [TS]

00:44:12   5k I guess faster than the mac pro like [TS]

00:44:14   you know except for in massively [TS]

00:44:15   parallel things we got a 12-core blah [TS]

00:44:17   blah blah i mean this is a 1200 other [TS]

00:44:19   computer like agreed however it is it is [TS]

00:44:21   an insult to the imac not the mac pro [TS]

00:44:23   yeah well it's an insult to apples [TS]

00:44:25   entire line and this particular hang out [TS]

00:44:26   whatever you can find a million [TS]

00:44:28   different hackintosh builds you can [TS]

00:44:29   build a decimal point package you can [TS]

00:44:31   build it anyway you want [TS]

00:44:32   and so a lot of people have been asking [TS]

00:44:33   us whether we would ever do a hackintosh [TS]

00:44:36   or whether this is something we've [TS]

00:44:38   considered because we've been [TS]

00:44:39   complaining so much about the outdated [TS]

00:44:41   apple hardware and I'll speak for myself [TS]

00:44:43   and say i look at this and it makes me [TS]

00:44:46   sad about apples product line but I've [TS]

00:44:48   never really considered making on myself [TS]

00:44:50   because I don't want to have to deal [TS]

00:44:53   with any of this stuff that hackintosh [TS]

00:44:54   is have to deal with they have to deal [TS]

00:44:56   with a lot of stuff because apple [TS]

00:44:57   doesn't make an operating system for [TS]

00:45:00   just sort of any sort of hardware so [TS]

00:45:01   they have to carefully match their [TS]

00:45:04   hardware to what apple provides drivers [TS]

00:45:06   for to what they can get drivers for and [TS]

00:45:08   come even harder with the driver signing [TS]

00:45:10   thing and everything [TS]

00:45:11   lots of features lots of major features [TS]

00:45:13   just don't work on the packages they [TS]

00:45:16   haven't figured out how to convince the [TS]

00:45:18   operating system there to make hardware [TS]

00:45:21   that is similar enough to Mac hardware [TS]

00:45:24   the things work with [TS]

00:45:25   killer one really stood out to me in [TS]

00:45:26   this particular case off stories they [TS]

00:45:27   still haven't gotten my message working [TS]

00:45:29   and that's not like a minor features and [TS]

00:45:31   that's a big message my message is a [TS]

00:45:33   pretty like would you like to use a mac [TS]

00:45:34   book by the way you can use iMessage and [TS]

00:45:36   forget about all the modern stuff that [TS]

00:45:38   requires like a handoff continuity or [TS]

00:45:40   you know the touch ID sensor that will [TS]

00:45:42   appear on on macbook someday forget [TS]

00:45:44   about that stuff because there's no way [TS]

00:45:45   they're gonna be able to that are going [TS]

00:45:46   to get a to be able to get a secure [TS]

00:45:48   Enclave from apple and stickers that are [TS]

00:45:50   peacing out of stuff to work so the [TS]

00:45:52   amount of things that just don't work [TS]

00:45:53   then make your Mac not really a mac is a [TS]

00:45:55   growing list of things and apple not [TS]

00:45:58   that they're doing it to stop hacking [TS]

00:45:59   doctors but Apple keeps adding their [TS]

00:46:01   that list and I just I don't want to [TS]

00:46:03   deal with any of that I just wanted to [TS]

00:46:04   work I don't want to do a point update [TS]

00:46:06   and have my machine not boot because the [TS]

00:46:07   video drivers don't work anymore i don't [TS]

00:46:09   have to worry about any of that stuff I [TS]

00:46:10   just want a really good big fast and I'm [TS]

00:46:12   willing to pay much more money for the [TS]

00:46:15   privilege of someone figuring this all [TS]

00:46:17   I've had time and making me and this [TS]

00:46:19   would be a nice piece of hardware that [TS]

00:46:20   works and is it before i get into like [TS]

00:46:22   how good these boxes are and how much [TS]

00:46:25   noise they might make and all the other [TS]

00:46:27   than the fact that the build-it-yourself [TS]

00:46:28   and like i would i would sooner but [TS]

00:46:31   build myself a gaming pc then they would [TS]

00:46:34   hack and Josh like gaming pc have come [TS]

00:46:35   really close to building many times in [TS]

00:46:37   my various states of frustration but [TS]

00:46:38   hackintosh never for me Casey oh what I [TS]

00:46:43   build withheld oh but you and you build [TS]

00:46:46   pcs before right [TS]

00:46:47   oh yeah oh yeah for a long time and [TS]

00:46:50   basically up until the time I started [TS]

00:46:52   using thinkpads exclusively which was [TS]

00:46:54   right before i started using macbooks [TS]

00:46:55   exclusively which was before I started [TS]

00:46:58   using the imac I was always building [TS]

00:47:01   pc's always always always always and [TS]

00:47:03   I've first one so far out of the game so [TS]

00:47:06   to speak like I wouldn't even know where [TS]

00:47:07   to begin like I understand the [TS]

00:47:09   components that are necessary for modern [TS]

00:47:10   personal computer but i don't know what [TS]

00:47:13   what processors are our popular these [TS]

00:47:16   days I I don't know what memory is the [TS]

00:47:18   right memory to choose obviously I could [TS]

00:47:20   figure this out but I just don't have [TS]

00:47:23   the patience the time or the energy for [TS]

00:47:25   this is this is a thing especially a [TS]

00:47:27   computer where I only buy one wants to [TS]

00:47:28   be like 40 years i would much rather [TS]

00:47:32   throw money at the problem and just [TS]

00:47:35   have apple fix it for me that being said [TS]

00:47:37   the whole reason we're talking about [TS]

00:47:39   this is because apples doing a very good [TS]

00:47:41   job of avoiding taking our money [TS]

00:47:43   well not us maybe more maybe gianmarco [TS]

00:47:46   and I necessarily but I mean apples [TS]

00:47:49   really working hard and not updating [TS]

00:47:51   things except the macbook adorable and [TS]

00:47:54   to some degree the imac like you guys [TS]

00:47:56   said earlier like I just what's the [TS]

00:47:58   holdup [TS]

00:47:59   I don't get it yeah i mean there was [TS]

00:48:02   they were there was a very long span in [TS]

00:48:05   my in my life where I would gladly have [TS]

00:48:07   built a hackintosh i was building my own [TS]

00:48:10   pcs at the time and it's just like [TS]

00:48:12   building a pc with a little bit more [TS]

00:48:13   hassle but you know I agree with John [TS]

00:48:16   said that you know in in the era of you [TS]

00:48:19   know you have driver signing now you [TS]

00:48:21   have no possible I message hiccups with [TS]

00:48:23   certain hackintosh setups and and and [TS]

00:48:25   handoff and stuff being tricky to get [TS]

00:48:27   working because the various Wi-Fi chip [TS]

00:48:29   acts they do it seems like we are we are [TS]

00:48:33   pretty clearly moving towards a point in [TS]

00:48:36   probably the near future where [TS]

00:48:38   hackintosh won't work anymore [TS]

00:48:40   yeah and or at least at least enough [TS]

00:48:43   features won't work on them that like [TS]

00:48:46   the the trade-off between pain and the [TS]

00:48:48   buttery and whatever you're saving or [TS]

00:48:51   gaining by having one that might switch [TS]

00:48:53   the other way because as Apple increases [TS]

00:48:56   the pain in the buttery and limitations [TS]

00:48:58   and everything else that eventually like [TS]

00:49:00   it's not worth it anymore or at least [TS]

00:49:03   for certain people won't be worth it [TS]

00:49:04   anymore so I just feel like in my in my [TS]

00:49:07   current my current set of priorities [TS]

00:49:10   I'm able to trade money for time to a [TS]

00:49:13   certain degree and when I was younger [TS]

00:49:15   like when I was in college and high [TS]

00:49:16   school building these pcs for myself and [TS]

00:49:18   my friends like we had nothing but time [TS]

00:49:21   we had very little money so it made way [TS]

00:49:24   more sense then to build our own pcs and [TS]

00:49:27   deal with all the massive amounts of [TS]

00:49:30   headaches and time sinks and crap that [TS]

00:49:32   we had to deal with two builder and PCs [TS]

00:49:34   and keep them running and and keep them [TS]

00:49:36   stable and keep them upgraded like it [TS]

00:49:38   was a it was a massive time sink for me [TS]

00:49:40   and my friends but we did it because [TS]

00:49:42   again that that time money continuum the [TS]

00:49:45   the balance was different for us back [TS]

00:49:46   then now [TS]

00:49:48   I think all of all of us involved back [TS]

00:49:50   then would all just by a computer you [TS]

00:49:53   know from apple and just be done with it [TS]

00:49:54   and and not have to worry about it [TS]

00:49:56   because quite frankly we don't have the [TS]

00:49:58   time to worry about it and we do have a [TS]

00:50:00   little bit of money to spend on them so [TS]

00:50:01   we can do that instead so it all depends [TS]

00:50:04   on like you know whether it's worth it [TS]

00:50:05   to you and as the environment shifts [TS]

00:50:07   whether it's worth it will shift to in [TS]

00:50:09   this case like if Apple really does [TS]

00:50:13   horribly neglect the mac line for longer [TS]

00:50:17   for a lot longer then i will probably be [TS]

00:50:21   tempted just to get more performance you [TS]

00:50:23   know just like it in this particular [TS]

00:50:25   case I was disappointed to see that the [TS]

00:50:28   high-end consumer desktop chips that are [TS]

00:50:31   beating and their platforms are being [TS]

00:50:32   used in this particular article that the [TS]

00:50:34   microparticle it's the exact same shape [TS]

00:50:36   than it that's available in the 5k imac [TS]

00:50:39   and in the highest figuration the 4 [TS]

00:50:40   gigahertz sky like I seven like so it's [TS]

00:50:43   not this was not a case of doing [TS]

00:50:45   something that apple won't sell you [TS]

00:50:47   really this was more of a case of just [TS]

00:50:49   getting what Apple will sell you but for [TS]

00:50:52   way less money and that's cool and is a [TS]

00:50:54   huge market for that I totally [TS]

00:50:56   understand but I don't think the [TS]

00:50:58   trade-off will be worth it to me and my [TS]

00:50:59   current state of time versus money what [TS]

00:51:02   would be worth it possibly in the future [TS]

00:51:04   is if Apple stop selling the mac pro and [TS]

00:51:07   for some reason i was ten keep [TS]

00:51:08   supporting hardware and and then I can [TS]

00:51:11   like I can get like an 8 or 12 or 16 [TS]

00:51:14   core high-end xeon workstation running [TS]

00:51:17   Mac os10 an apple wants anyone that [TS]

00:51:20   would be very interesting to me but [TS]

00:51:21   today it's just not i don't know it's it [TS]

00:51:24   did the balance for me isn't there today [TS]

00:51:26   yeah I think we're going to get macbook [TS]

00:51:28   pro another this is unique but I think [TS]

00:51:30   we're gonna get macbook pro updates [TS]

00:51:31   before the end of the year and i think [TS]

00:51:33   there's a decent shot will get a stupid [TS]

00:51:35   mac pro update before the end of the [TS]

00:51:37   year I don't think it's dead and he said [TS]

00:51:38   no fax just a guess I don't think it's [TS]

00:51:41   dead but I should to go back to [TS]

00:51:43   hackintosh specifically for a moment I [TS]

00:51:44   when I was debating very publicly with [TS]

00:51:48   you Marco whether or not i should get a [TS]

00:51:51   Mac this is two thousand eight ish i [TS]

00:51:54   believe and we were having this debate [TS]

00:51:56   via reblogs of each other's posts on [TS]

00:51:59   tumblr what I ended up [TS]

00:52:01   doing was taking my then thinkpad t430 i [TS]

00:52:05   believe it was and putting a hackintosh [TS]

00:52:09   version of leopard i believe it was at [TS]

00:52:12   the time i have that wrong and running [TS]

00:52:14   it for a few days just to see if I like [TS]

00:52:15   you know OS 10 and to my recollection [TS]

00:52:19   Wi-Fi didn't work but onboard ethernet [TS]

00:52:21   did and just about everything else did [TS]

00:52:24   too [TS]

00:52:25   maybe sound didn't actually don't recall [TS]

00:52:27   but i remember vividly the Wi-Fi didn't [TS]

00:52:29   work with some major bummer but i really [TS]

00:52:32   liked it in and it was relatively [TS]

00:52:34   pain-free to do I think I required as [TS]

00:52:39   some version of OS 10 that had been [TS]

00:52:42   prepared for this sort of use and that's [TS]

00:52:47   what I used to install it and it worked [TS]

00:52:49   pretty darn well and if it wasn't for [TS]

00:52:51   that I probably stole about the mac [TS]

00:52:53   anyway but I felt a lot more confident [TS]

00:52:55   in doing so but just like you said you [TS]

00:52:57   hit the nail on the head you know today [TS]

00:52:59   the three of us can trade money for time [TS]

00:53:02   if you will and when we were in college [TS]

00:53:04   and in kids when we were building [TS]

00:53:05   computers except John we had plenty of [TS]

00:53:09   time to kill and not a lot of money so [TS]

00:53:11   it's funny how things change [TS]

00:53:12   it's not just the time to it's like [TS]

00:53:14   thinking of your poor haunted imac that [TS]

00:53:17   could die any second [TS]

00:53:18   what you're also paying the horror that [TS]

00:53:20   but also paying for is someone to blame [TS]

00:53:22   mr. yeah if your computer goes wonky you [TS]

00:53:25   have someone to blame and that's Apple [TS]

00:53:26   if your computer continues to be walking [TS]

00:53:28   continues to behave badly you can keep [TS]

00:53:30   bringing it back to genius bar [TS]

00:53:31   eventually replace it with an all new [TS]

00:53:32   computer if it did you know it not [TS]

00:53:34   that's a fun thing to do like it's still [TS]

00:53:35   a pain in the butt but if you build your [TS]

00:53:37   own hackintosh and it starts being wonky [TS]

00:53:39   you have no one to go to you so we can [TS]

00:53:41   go to apple you can't go to the your [TS]

00:53:43   motherboard manufacturer you can't go to [TS]

00:53:45   your GPU vendor you can't go to the [TS]

00:53:47   company that made the case you can't go [TS]

00:53:48   to the monitor vendor like you just got [TS]

00:53:50   yourself and so packages I mean they're [TS]

00:53:53   way cheaper but they're not free [TS]

00:53:55   so that's you know that's potentially a [TS]

00:53:57   thousand or more dollars that you spent [TS]

00:53:59   on something and if it stops working or [TS]

00:54:03   starts being weird in some way unless it [TS]

00:54:05   is a hardware fault like oh my GPU died [TS]

00:54:07   on my cpu died like it just starts being [TS]

00:54:09   flaky because again it's hackintosh it's [TS]

00:54:11   running you know an unsupported hardware [TS]

00:54:13   configuration you're trying to [TS]

00:54:14   activate the work and by the way it's [TS]

00:54:15   not like I message isn't working at all [TS]

00:54:17   there are these strange incantations to [TS]

00:54:19   try to get it to work by faking it out [TS]

00:54:20   but it's very sketchy if things start to [TS]

00:54:22   act weird [TS]

00:54:23   you've got no one to blame and that's [TS]

00:54:26   not tenable like maybe maybe if you [TS]

00:54:28   lived by yourself and you could handle [TS]

00:54:31   your main computer not working or being [TS]

00:54:33   flaky some of the time maybe I was like [TS]

00:54:36   a secondary computer maybe you could [TS]

00:54:37   handle that but in any sort of family [TS]

00:54:39   environment where any other person is [TS]

00:54:41   relying on that computer to be to be a [TS]

00:54:44   computer to be to be able to sit down in [TS]

00:54:45   front of it and like do your photos or [TS]

00:54:47   whatever and and you know like to do [TS]

00:54:49   stuff on that computer and it doesn't [TS]

00:54:51   work and you're the one who built this [TS]

00:54:53   computer and you have no one to blame [TS]

00:54:55   but it's the best point you will say and [TS]

00:54:57   i would love to be able to pay to have [TS]

00:55:00   someone to blame for this other than me [TS]

00:55:01   because you don't want to look at you [TS]

00:55:03   and saying that why does this computer [TS]

00:55:05   that you wasted all this time on not [TS]

00:55:08   work anymore and you're like it you know [TS]

00:55:10   or why does it do this weird thing or [TS]

00:55:11   whatever so the odd i think of that just [TS]

00:55:15   as much as like the time i would spend [TS]

00:55:16   tinkering I think of being at your [TS]

00:55:18   having a single company who stands [TS]

00:55:21   behind the supposed functionality of the [TS]

00:55:23   entire thing and I mean the entire thing [TS]

00:55:25   like if if something you know if [TS]

00:55:27   something is wonky about like a Wi-Fi [TS]

00:55:30   works intermittently or whatever I don't [TS]

00:55:31   have to prove that like the Wi-Fi you [TS]

00:55:35   know chipset or whatever it is bad and I [TS]

00:55:38   go that manufacturing get them to return [TS]

00:55:39   replace it and plug it in and realize [TS]

00:55:41   that the conflict between like the [TS]

00:55:42   motherboard and this other you know like [TS]

00:55:44   I don't deal with anything i just have [TS]

00:55:46   to deal with a hassle it's still a [TS]

00:55:47   hassle go to the apple store especially [TS]

00:55:48   if you're logging a big computer with [TS]

00:55:49   you still have probably go back three [TS]

00:55:51   times but eventually you'll get some [TS]

00:55:53   kind of satisfaction right if you built [TS]

00:55:54   yourself at a certain point you're just [TS]

00:55:56   like sell the parts off individually and [TS]

00:55:59   try again it's it's really grim yeah i [TS]

00:56:02   mean i've i've been like as I i built a [TS]

00:56:05   good number of computers for myself and [TS]

00:56:07   my friends throughout high school and [TS]

00:56:08   college and I've been in that position [TS]

00:56:09   of like something doesn't work [TS]

00:56:12   especially if it's not even my computer [TS]

00:56:14   usually wasn't something doesn't work on [TS]

00:56:16   one of my friends computers or worse on [TS]

00:56:19   a computer that somebody paid me a [TS]

00:56:20   little bit of money to build for them [TS]

00:56:22   and and like there's just it's just an [TS]

00:56:25   endless sinkhole of [TS]

00:56:27   time and possibly my own money trying to [TS]

00:56:31   you know resolve this problem and [TS]

00:56:33   meanwhile dealing with a very upset [TS]

00:56:35   person who is very annoyed that this [TS]

00:56:38   computer that they paid a good amount of [TS]

00:56:40   money to even though i didn't get most [TS]

00:56:41   of it but they paid good money for the [TS]

00:56:43   parts and everything and I told them I [TS]

00:56:44   could do it and then something goes [TS]

00:56:45   wrong and i'm on the look for it sucks [TS]

00:56:48   and I gladly would have paid to have [TS]

00:56:51   like somebody else deal with it but at [TS]

00:56:53   the time I didn't have a lot of money [TS]

00:56:54   that was the whole reason I was doing [TS]

00:56:55   this and there was nobody even could [TS]

00:56:57   have paid to help out and it was [TS]

00:56:58   horrible [TS]

00:56:59   on the flip side of this mike Randall [TS]

00:57:01   technology ride the biggest feature for [TS]

00:57:03   me is not the fact that it's always [TS]

00:57:04   cheaper imac is that he could pick any [TS]

00:57:06   GPU he wanted to put in there any person [TS]

00:57:08   or one that you put in a better one than [TS]

00:57:09   the imac and he could put an even better [TS]

00:57:11   when they're in fact he can change his [TS]

00:57:12   mind two years later getting even better [TS]

00:57:14   GPU and that's an option apple doesn't [TS]

00:57:16   give you at all apple will give you that [TS]

00:57:17   cpu they will not give you the scoop you [TS]

00:57:20   or the option to put in a better one [TS]

00:57:22   sounds impressive but i agree that [TS]

00:57:25   without I message on this mac no thanks [TS]

00:57:29   hard pass late it's it's it's this [TS]

00:57:31   balance right like and I think what [TS]

00:57:33   we're all saying is like we all would [TS]

00:57:35   have reasons why we might want to build [TS]

00:57:37   one of these things if things got worse [TS]

00:57:40   as the conditions change like we might [TS]

00:57:42   build a hackintosh is in three years or [TS]

00:57:44   something who knows like we have no idea [TS]

00:57:46   what you know what what what will hold [TS]

00:57:48   but like if if your priorities are just [TS]

00:57:51   very slightly different or if your needs [TS]

00:57:53   are just very slightly different from us [TS]

00:57:55   you could very easily fall into the [TS]

00:57:56   other side of that balance and this [TS]

00:57:58   could make total sense for you [TS]

00:58:00   yeah yeah this list of things that don't [TS]

00:58:02   work like airdrop i use a lot and I [TS]

00:58:04   think I'm the airdrop unicorn because it [TS]

00:58:07   always works for me i understand i have [TS]

00:58:10   very good luck with a drop as well [TS]

00:58:11   yeah all his audio doesn't work the [TS]

00:58:14   first time you like you mentioned before [TS]

00:58:15   Casey I think everything working [TS]

00:58:16   installed at Purdue it's over Wi-Fi oh [TS]

00:58:18   yeah an audio is that what is linux [TS]

00:58:20   minor features like Wi-Fi and audio to [TS]

00:58:25   work brother is true [TS]

00:58:27   like what you doesn't work you have an [TS]

00:58:29   uncle computers like saying my TV's [TS]

00:58:31   greatest there's no sound this it's so [TS]

00:58:33   true [TS]

00:58:34   ideally had forgotten that audio maybe [TS]

00:58:36   didn't work but [TS]

00:58:37   yeah i'm looking at this list the audio [TS]

00:58:39   doesn't work community in hand off to a [TS]

00:58:41   continuity and handoff don't work those [TS]

00:58:42   I don't use that much I message was [TS]

00:58:45   working out Eric doesn't work them out [TS]

00:58:46   again [TS]

00:58:47   well i was already out with audio come [TS]

00:58:49   to think of it but it and touch ID [TS]

00:58:50   doesn't work like that's going to be [TS]

00:58:51   like it [TS]

00:58:52   apple just keeps accumulating these [TS]

00:58:53   things I think once people get used to [TS]

00:58:55   unlocking their laptop with touch ID a [TS]

00:58:57   hackintosh is good it's like it's like [TS]

00:58:59   having a hacked up with no Wi-Fi you [TS]

00:59:01   know before Wi-Fi was a big deal just [TS]

00:59:02   added on toilet seed imax RI books [TS]

00:59:04   rather it's like well you know Wi-Fi [TS]

00:59:07   doesn't work but who uses that a certain [TS]

00:59:08   point like Wi-Fi doesn't work [TS]

00:59:09   this is junk throw it away like I can't [TS]

00:59:11   use a laptop without Wi-Fi is pointless [TS]

00:59:13   right i touch ID and features like that [TS]

00:59:15   will probably eventually feel like that [TS]

00:59:17   like I'm not gonna type in my password [TS]

00:59:18   every time i lock my computer that's [TS]

00:59:20   barbaric and so and you can be pretty [TS]

00:59:24   sure that it's going to be very [TS]

00:59:25   difficult to simulate the secure Enclave [TS]

00:59:28   touch ID hardware whatever that Apple [TS]

00:59:30   adds their laptops even if you can [TS]

00:59:32   somehow source that part from the far [TS]

00:59:35   east and get installed in your [TS]

00:59:36   hackintosh that's that's a hell of a [TS]

00:59:38   challenge we are sponsored by wonder [TS]

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01:01:03   speaking of hacking dashes of I was [TS]

01:01:08   recalling from the olden days when you [TS]

01:01:11   two probably weren't born yet one of the [TS]

01:01:13   original macintosh type things like in [TS]

01:01:16   the early days of the matter is very [TS]

01:01:18   difficult to clone at least mr. because [TS]

01:01:19   you needed the mac rom was a lot of most [TS]

01:01:23   of the mac toolbox was on on the ROM [TS]

01:01:25   chip and that was proprietary apple you [TS]

01:01:26   couldn't really buy that part and so [TS]

01:01:28   it's very difficult to have any sort of [TS]

01:01:29   legitimate commercial business selling [TS]

01:01:31   that clones because you couldn't have a [TS]

01:01:33   Mac without that rom and then on top of [TS]

01:01:34   that all the other problems but there [TS]

01:01:35   was one company that used to advertise [TS]

01:01:37   in magazines like a legitimate company i [TS]

01:01:40   think they were in Australia may be [TS]

01:01:42   called outbound of trying to google for [TS]

01:01:44   a while you're going to last add home [TS]

01:01:46   and my recollection is they were [TS]

01:01:49   basically get around the cloning by [TS]

01:01:51   buying actual real apple stuff or [TS]

01:01:55   requiring you to buy them or whatever [TS]

01:01:56   and repackaging it so they would take [TS]

01:01:58   like a mac plus mother border maxi [TS]

01:02:00   motherboard and put it into kind of a [TS]

01:02:01   laptop shape with the big battery and [TS]

01:02:03   everything so they were very very [TS]

01:02:05   expensive you weren't saving any money [TS]

01:02:06   but you could buy a basically real [TS]

01:02:09   mcintosh as far as the operating system [TS]

01:02:12   was concerned in a case [TS]

01:02:13   not made by apple simply by adding a [TS]

01:02:15   tremendous amount of costs almost [TS]

01:02:17   sounded like when you buy like a tuner [TS]

01:02:19   car were you like just buy basic mustang [TS]

01:02:21   and then add a hundred thousand dollars [TS]

01:02:22   right just go ahead and start with the [TS]

01:02:24   Mustang as delivered to you by Ford and [TS]

01:02:27   then you just have lots of money so you [TS]

01:02:28   start with a mac seƱor Mac plus and [TS]

01:02:30   then they just take out the inside three [TS]

01:02:32   packages and different things and sell [TS]

01:02:33   you the new thing and then had money on [TS]

01:02:34   top of that kind of like the the modbook [TS]

01:02:37   people from a few years back right yeah [TS]

01:02:40   similar to that but like you know going [TS]

01:02:41   from a desktop computer to a laptop is [TS]

01:02:43   quite a transition and they have the [TS]

01:02:45   really reporting device that look like I [TS]

01:02:46   don't have you guys ever saw this i [TS]

01:02:48   don't think it ever caught on because [TS]

01:02:49   it's pretty terrible it if you can [TS]

01:02:50   imagine your spacebar replaced by a [TS]

01:02:52   pencil like you know the pencil [TS]

01:02:54   horizontal pencil and let you put put [TS]

01:02:56   your thumb on the pencil and it as you [TS]

01:02:58   roll the pencil you know just rolling it [TS]

01:03:00   that makes your cursor go up and down [TS]

01:03:01   and as you slide your finger left and [TS]

01:03:04   right on the pencil that makes the [TS]

01:03:05   cursor left and right when i was called [TS]

01:03:08   ok it was not a good pointing device but [TS]

01:03:11   it was it was interesting that like [TS]

01:03:12   before trackpads they wanted to have a [TS]

01:03:14   pointing device that didn't take up a [TS]

01:03:16   lot of room so they don't have an oven [TS]

01:03:18   at this point of things predates the [TS]

01:03:19   oven and they don't have a trackpad it [TS]

01:03:21   wasn't move that anyway so they had [TS]

01:03:22   below the spacebar this whatever this [TS]

01:03:24   was like what is it called iso point [TS]

01:03:28   trackbar they're going to google say the [TS]

01:03:31   other one was called isopods anyway it [TS]

01:03:32   didn't catch on for a reason but uh [TS]

01:03:34   there's a long history of people trying [TS]

01:03:37   to essentially have a mac but not have a [TS]

01:03:40   mac and i think everything has been [TS]

01:03:42   tried including actual legitimate [TS]

01:03:44   cloning which hopefully you guys do you [TS]

01:03:46   don't remember or blocked out of your [TS]

01:03:47   mind and that was before time as Mac [TS]

01:03:49   users but I mean like all these things [TS]

01:03:50   like these make sense you know like that [TS]

01:03:53   crazy company was around when there [TS]

01:03:54   wasn't a mac laptop the people who made [TS]

01:03:56   modbook and everything that was before [TS]

01:03:58   the ipad and there was no like there was [TS]

01:04:00   no like Max antique basically is what [TS]

01:04:01   they were trying to make land and I [TS]

01:04:03   don't know if they still make them [TS]

01:04:04   anyway and and hackintosh azhar around [TS]

01:04:07   because there's no what everyone calls [TS]

01:04:08   the x mac which is like there's [TS]

01:04:09   basically no like cheap desktop tower [TS]

01:04:12   mac that just expandable with regular [TS]

01:04:14   slots like the mac pro used to kind of [TS]

01:04:16   almost be that except it wasn't cheap [TS]

01:04:18   and now we don't even have that anymore [TS]

01:04:20   so you know the end so hackintosh 'as [TS]

01:04:23   and all these things they serve needs [TS]

01:04:25   that Apple refuses to serve [TS]

01:04:27   for whatever reason whether they're not [TS]

01:04:28   profitable or they're just to specialize [TS]

01:04:30   in the number of people buy them or [TS]

01:04:32   where they don't fit into johnny is [TS]

01:04:34   Magic white room because they have too [TS]

01:04:36   many ports and they have their to [TS]

01:04:37   expandable and you know that they're [TS]

01:04:38   useful i don't know but Apple refused to [TS]

01:04:42   serve these markets you know if they're [TS]

01:04:44   gonna get served somehow either going to [TS]

01:04:46   get served by crappy pcs with other [TS]

01:04:49   stuff or they're gonna get served with [TS]

01:04:50   illegal pirated copies of OS 10 i'm not [TS]

01:04:53   really sure which is worse for Apple but [TS]

01:04:55   i'm guessing keeping people in the apple [TS]

01:04:56   ecosystem even illegally is probably [TS]

01:04:58   better for Apple long-term that's [TS]

01:05:01   interesting point [TS]

01:05:02   alright this is all going to resolve [TS]

01:05:03   this fall when they release all the new [TS]

01:05:05   hardware and and everyone will be happy [TS]

01:05:07   except youtube and mac many owners will [TS]

01:05:10   also be said yeah I mean it you know we [TS]

01:05:12   we at least talk from this position of [TS]

01:05:14   privilege that like Apple at least [TS]

01:05:15   occasionally mentions our computers but [TS]

01:05:17   many people who say they're in a bad [TS]

01:05:20   spot [TS]

01:05:20   Mac many people like you know we're [TS]

01:05:22   complaining like all our computers [TS]

01:05:23   haven't got updated in like two or three [TS]

01:05:25   years [TS]

01:05:26   Mac many people that's always their [TS]

01:05:28   condition like that since the beginning [TS]

01:05:29   of the mac mini it like the way they [TS]

01:05:31   treat the mac mini is just insulting he [TS]

01:05:35   quickly it's insulting and the last time [TS]

01:05:37   the updated it took away all the best [TS]

01:05:39   options and all the expandability and [TS]

01:05:41   you know it's like that [TS]

01:05:43   oh we have easy compared to Mac many [TS]

01:05:45   people I saw someone to work the other [TS]

01:05:48   day considering like ideally like I'm [TS]

01:05:50   gonna get a new mac and can't really [TS]

01:05:51   decide between five ham mac and mac mini [TS]

01:05:55   and it dawned on me that for you know [TS]

01:05:57   once again don t have to have to be [TS]

01:05:59   started that regular people don't keep [TS]

01:06:00   track of what the hell's inside all the [TS]

01:06:02   different max as far as they're [TS]

01:06:03   concerned it's like going your cargo [TS]

01:06:04   ship will you know we make an SUV we [TS]

01:06:06   make a couplie make a sedan and you [TS]

01:06:08   don't you don't go to think like wait [TS]

01:06:10   does the sedan have like a steam powered [TS]

01:06:12   engine in it and the cool stuff has an [TS]

01:06:14   internal combustion engine and i'm not [TS]

01:06:16   aware of that like as far as user well [TS]

01:06:18   it was really just like I you know you [TS]

01:06:20   don't wanna buy an all-in-one computer [TS]

01:06:21   and have the big expensive screen [TS]

01:06:22   trapped inside of there was all the [TS]

01:06:23   general reasons like but what you don't [TS]

01:06:25   understand is the 5ki Mac has a sky like [TS]

01:06:27   CPU and the mac mini has like a core two [TS]

01:06:29   duo or the hell that thing now like [TS]

01:06:32   you're you know it look on the outside [TS]

01:06:34   it looks like you just you know trading [TS]

01:06:36   off like form factor and price and [TS]

01:06:38   everything but really you should not [TS]

01:06:40   and I met many like ever just think when [TS]

01:06:42   it was new you shoulda bought it and now [TS]

01:06:44   you definitely shouldn't buy it and I [TS]

01:06:46   don't think apple sales people are going [TS]

01:06:48   to emphasize that in the store although [TS]

01:06:50   it may be confused about what you want [TS]

01:06:51   to Mac what are you sure you don't want [TS]

01:06:53   to fuck what are you saying many yet you [TS]

01:06:55   have to call someone from the back do we [TS]

01:06:57   have something called a mac mini hahaha [TS]

01:06:59   i mean always the macro like it's [TS]

01:07:02   probably next to the big TV and they [TS]

01:07:03   might have seen it all you mean that [TS]

01:07:04   that's a computer all right but anyway [TS]

01:07:06   how yeah it's that that's the worst part [TS]

01:07:09   of this is that regular people shouldn't [TS]

01:07:12   have to care about this challenge at a [TS]

01:07:13   reasonable expectation they can go into [TS]

01:07:15   an apple store and sort of picking [TS]

01:07:16   computer based on how big they wanted to [TS]

01:07:18   be how much they wanted to cost and has [TS]

01:07:21   a basic understanding of like well the [TS]

01:07:22   more expensive ones are better and [TS]

01:07:24   faster and fancier than less expensive [TS]

01:07:25   ones but not to have this massive golf [TS]

01:07:28   where it's like I think i'm deciding [TS]

01:07:29   between do I want to have an integrated [TS]

01:07:30   screen and external screen is like know [TS]

01:07:32   there are tremendous trade-offs between [TS]

01:07:34   the 5ki mac mini did you really need to [TS]

01:07:37   grass before you make this decision it's [TS]

01:07:38   not as if they were just equivalent but [TS]

01:07:41   just that the boxes are separate or [TS]

01:07:42   together and that's apple's fault [TS]

01:07:45   yeah I mean you know you can you can [TS]

01:07:47   kind of see like throughout the course [TS]

01:07:48   of apples history especially recent [TS]

01:07:50   history there are certain products that [TS]

01:07:51   they keep around like out of spite or I [TS]

01:07:54   don't know it's like certain products [TS]

01:07:56   that they not know maybe five maybe [TS]

01:07:58   that's the wrong word but like certain [TS]

01:07:59   products where like they kind of [TS]

01:08:01   begrudgingly keep them around and you [TS]

01:08:03   can tell they really don't like them and [TS]

01:08:05   it's almost like this it is tense [TS]

01:08:08   relationship they seem to have these [TS]

01:08:09   products are just like disdain and they [TS]

01:08:12   just kind of you know crap update every [TS]

01:08:14   so often because they have to and you [TS]

01:08:16   know it's the same way that like like [TS]

01:08:18   this you know Steve Jobs famously [TS]

01:08:20   demoing the motorola rokr phone and you [TS]

01:08:22   could tell he just like hated this [TS]

01:08:23   device and he was trying to put on a [TS]

01:08:25   good face on stage and he just hated it [TS]

01:08:26   to me that is how apple treats the heck [TS]

01:08:29   Mickey and possibly maybe even the mac [TS]

01:08:33   pro these days I don't know what time [TS]

01:08:34   will tell on that one but the mac mini [TS]

01:08:36   certainly that is how to treat for a [TS]

01:08:38   long time where we're like they keep it [TS]

01:08:41   updated because for whatever strategic [TS]

01:08:44   reason or whatever like they they kind [TS]

01:08:45   of have to keep offering this computer [TS]

01:08:48   to solve a bunch of needs [TS]

01:08:50   I guess but they they hate it so much [TS]

01:08:52   and they never leave [TS]

01:08:54   forget they hated every update they like [TS]

01:08:56   we're gonna give a little here but then [TS]

01:08:57   we're going to take away this other [TS]

01:08:58   thing and we're going to make you hate [TS]

01:09:00   this until you all you fools all stop [TS]

01:09:02   buying it and you switch to one of our [TS]

01:09:03   better computers that is honestly feel [TS]

01:09:06   like it but the mac mini and I own one [TS]

01:09:07   and even when i bought it i was mad [TS]

01:09:09   about it and I still bought extended one [TS]

01:09:11   but like I i was present on the kindest [TS]

01:09:14   thing such a ripoff and so restricted [TS]

01:09:16   and so it's like it's just all right so [TS]

01:09:19   I I felt all that anger that Apple [TS]

01:09:21   clearly has for this product that they [TS]

01:09:23   hate and they occasionally cell i wonder [TS]

01:09:26   what the pressures are on the mac mini [TS]

01:09:28   design like is it like that every year [TS]

01:09:29   the margins have to get better because [TS]

01:09:31   that like that fits the the data we have [TS]

01:09:33   kind of like that it does get more [TS]

01:09:35   expensive and crappier like relatively [TS]

01:09:37   speaking obviously it's better when you [TS]

01:09:39   know what with the exception of this [TS]

01:09:40   recent quad to dual core transition for [TS]

01:09:42   the most part does get better but like [TS]

01:09:43   it seems to me that the margins get [TS]

01:09:45   better with every new version and it's [TS]

01:09:47   like they kind of given up on [TS]

01:09:49   hey we need to find a way to boost the [TS]

01:09:51   sales of the mac mini because the sales [TS]

01:09:52   are probably extremely low and not [TS]

01:09:54   really going anywhere but they said but [TS]

01:09:55   every year we can boost the margins by [TS]

01:09:57   putting slightly cheaper stuff in it and [TS]

01:09:59   removing the optical drive and you know [TS]

01:10:01   doing all the stuff that we can do to [TS]

01:10:03   you know like every group like you have [TS]

01:10:06   to measure on something I know Apple [TS]

01:10:08   famously does has it has just a [TS]

01:10:09   profit-and-loss line for the entire [TS]

01:10:10   company and is not measuring every [TS]

01:10:12   individual department saying well mac [TS]

01:10:14   mini team what is your profit loss for [TS]

01:10:15   the year whatever but the products are [TS]

01:10:18   changed with some kind of purpose and [TS]

01:10:21   increasing or the very least maintaining [TS]

01:10:24   margins seems to be a big help incentive [TS]

01:10:26   in my local they doing with the mac mini [TS]

01:10:28   one explanation for the evolution of [TS]

01:10:31   that hardware and that product is there [TS]

01:10:33   other than pressure to increase or [TS]

01:10:36   maintain margins with each new revision [TS]

01:10:38   and not a lot of pressure to do anything [TS]

01:10:40   with it until it's in desperate need of [TS]

01:10:42   replacement because it like it has never [TS]

01:10:45   been a great bargain but I feel like the [TS]

01:10:47   value proposition has just gotten worse [TS]

01:10:49   and worse you're getting less for more [TS]

01:10:51   money [TS]

01:10:51   yeah and you know like that Marco you [TS]

01:10:53   you know it if you need a tiny little [TS]

01:10:54   head this Mac this is your only option [TS]

01:10:56   and maybe that's just good business [TS]

01:10:58   maybe Apple knows hey if people need a [TS]

01:11:00   time we'll have this Mac this is their [TS]

01:11:02   only option so just act like you know a [TS]

01:11:05   little tiny bit extra every year can we [TS]

01:11:07   head you know take out 10 20 bucks for [TS]

01:11:10   the hardware and add 50 bucks of the [TS]

01:11:11   price and do that every three years for [TS]

01:11:13   the next nine years and pretty soon you [TS]

01:11:15   have an eight-hundred-dollar computer [TS]

01:11:16   that's as fast as a pocket calculator [TS]

01:11:18   this and what did you buy your mac mini [TS]

01:11:23   for its it's my I scuzzy host and it [TS]

01:11:27   runs back plays to backup my synology [TS]

01:11:28   and it's currently doing this live [TS]

01:11:30   stream that's and it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:11:31   it's also it's kind of where I put like [TS]

01:11:33   utility software they don't want jumping [TS]

01:11:35   up my main max so the iscsi driver was [TS]

01:11:37   one of those things i also use it as the [TS]

01:11:39   figure 2 scansnap software machine like [TS]

01:11:43   it runs the scansnap software the skin [TS]

01:11:45   types of scans to it and then it just [TS]

01:11:47   six things over right network sharing to [TS]

01:11:49   my real computer so it's kind of like [TS]

01:11:51   this utility the setup utility functions [TS]

01:11:54   it's it's kind of a home server in [TS]

01:11:56   certain ways but you know not always you [TS]

01:11:58   know I don't know I i'm always looking [TS]

01:12:00   for like possible plans of how i can [TS]

01:12:03   rearrange my home setup so i don't need [TS]

01:12:05   it anymore but it is a it is still in [TS]

01:12:09   use the correct answer to my question [TS]

01:12:11   was a continuous integration server but [TS]

01:12:13   Who am I kidding [TS]

01:12:14   I know what that is vaguely is that [TS]

01:12:18   every session is about the testing bots [TS]

01:12:20   yes it's one of those things where like [TS]

01:12:22   when I see the session about the [TS]

01:12:24   reducing it sounds it looks and sounds [TS]

01:12:26   really cool but it also looks and sounds [TS]

01:12:29   like it requires a lot of setup of [TS]

01:12:30   testing and infrastructure that I don't [TS]

01:12:32   probably want to set up so someday that [TS]

01:12:35   will sound really awesome to me someday [TS]

01:12:37   when I have when I have a staff of [TS]

01:12:39   responsible programmers working for me [TS]

01:12:41   they can set that up and i will just [TS]

01:12:43   enjoy the benefits of it now we're going [TS]

01:12:45   to start you know start small we're [TS]

01:12:46   starting unit test we're not going to go [TS]

01:12:48   already continuous integration server [TS]

01:12:49   right and for a single person shop you [TS]

01:12:51   probably don't need that although [TS]

01:12:52   underscore probably has five of them [TS]

01:12:53   continually building his software and [TS]

01:12:56   and running tests against them and he [TS]

01:12:58   has a little dashboard that sentiment is [TS]

01:13:00   watch that tells in the state of all [TS]

01:13:01   applications as of the latest beta the [TS]

01:13:03   software and now he's really good at [TS]

01:13:05   using times he probably didn't set that [TS]

01:13:06   up now we did because now he's [TS]

01:13:08   applications right themselves I think [TS]

01:13:09   you're right sup it just you know new [TS]

01:13:11   basis of the OS come out as little [TS]

01:13:13   minions automatically downloaded rebuild [TS]

01:13:15   the software for it to click all the [TS]

01:13:17   fix-it things and xcode to fix all the [TS]

01:13:19   problems that [TS]

01:13:20   and his little dashboard display and [TS]

01:13:22   watch while he's out for his evening [TS]

01:13:24   constitutional that tells and how many [TS]

01:13:25   of his absolute successfully updated for [TS]

01:13:27   iOS 9 beta 2 and you know one of them [TS]

01:13:30   has one morning left he's going to go [TS]

01:13:31   into Dennis computer click one button to [TS]

01:13:33   fix that one laptop so as I picture his [TS]

01:13:37   life don't don't tell me there's any [TS]

01:13:38   different [TS]

01:13:38   that's accurate I've seen a setup it's [TS]

01:13:40   accurate alright thanks to our sponsors [TS]

01:13:43   this week zero wonder capital and trunk [TS]

01:13:45   club and we will see you next week [TS]

01:13:49   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:13:53   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:13:56   was accidental [TS]

01:14:00   John didn't [TS]

01:14:02   research Marco in kc wouldn't let down [TS]

01:14:06   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

01:14:10   and you can find the show know today [TS]

01:14:14   DP die and if your twitter follow them [TS]

01:14:22   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:14:27   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [TS]

01:14:35   Syracuse [TS]

01:14:48   alright so you tell me about your [TS]

01:14:54   potential new record John or the [TS]

01:14:55   family's potentially record anyway I [TS]

01:14:57   mean it makes sense like mike has two [TS]

01:14:59   ipads right i think it's 13 [TS]

01:15:01   that's right so you know you can have [TS]

01:15:02   two Accords yeah no I don't have any [TS]

01:15:04   problem with my wife's car is about 10 [TS]

01:15:06   years old and usually when we start [TS]

01:15:08   thinking about replacing them and it's [TS]

01:15:09   pretty beat up and she was thinking [TS]

01:15:11   about what kind of car should you get [TS]

01:15:12   and she faces the same problems that [TS]

01:15:15   kind of you were talking about Casey she [TS]

01:15:16   doesn't want automatic transmission her [TS]

01:15:19   options are really limited we also don't [TS]

01:15:22   want to spend a tremendous amount of [TS]

01:15:24   money for the car for a variety of [TS]

01:15:26   reasons I mean we know what just look at [TS]

01:15:28   her old car and just think of your gonna [TS]

01:15:30   buy 60,000 the car and it's kind of like [TS]

01:15:32   that 10 years you're going to be said [TS]

01:15:34   so we did you know needs to be reliable [TS]

01:15:36   big be able to fit four people in and [TS]

01:15:37   all of our stuff all that you know and [TS]

01:15:39   we basically end up back in the same [TS]

01:15:40   place we always end up with like the [TS]

01:15:42   mazda 6 100 cord there's the those are [TS]

01:15:44   the reasonably priced price reliable [TS]

01:15:46   four-door sporty sedans you can get with [TS]

01:15:48   a stick shift and she resisted that for [TS]

01:15:52   awhile started coming around a little [TS]

01:15:54   bit when she was looking at the new [TS]

01:15:55   record start doing like the little [TS]

01:15:58   builder thingy to build your own car and [TS]

01:16:00   I think what's pushing her over the edge [TS]

01:16:01   is the fact that they have once again [TS]

01:16:04   the same thing that they had when she [TS]

01:16:07   got her current car her current car she [TS]

01:16:09   had a I with molly was wrong because i [TS]

01:16:12   messing with the counter years but two [TS]

01:16:13   thousand three or four ish Accord they [TS]

01:16:17   got totaled and with the we gotta you [TS]

01:16:21   know pretty good amount of money back [TS]

01:16:22   from that was basically with the money [TS]

01:16:24   from that car being total plus a little [TS]

01:16:25   bit extra [TS]

01:16:26   we bought a two thousand six ish cord [TS]

01:16:28   and at that point it was the end of the [TS]

01:16:30   generation like the end of that you know [TS]

01:16:32   that before they replaced it with the [TS]

01:16:33   super ugly one that I never bought never [TS]

01:16:35   considered buying it was terrible [TS]

01:16:36   that was at yeah that was like the worst [TS]

01:16:38   record in a long time anyway it was the [TS]

01:16:40   end of the generation and I guess they [TS]

01:16:42   do this regularly i don't know this i've [TS]

01:16:43   only been buying chords for you know ten [TS]

01:16:45   years or so I don't know they make a [TS]

01:16:48   special edition right at the end of the [TS]

01:16:51   product lines that for 2017 the honda [TS]

01:16:54   accord sport comes in a special edition [TS]

01:16:56   which is just the honda accord sport [TS]

01:16:57   which probably the sport is you get this [TS]

01:16:59   work because as section if you can get [TS]

01:17:00   this picture from the [TS]

01:17:01   relax but the sport has like nicer [TS]

01:17:03   wheels and stuff but any of the cars [TS]

01:17:05   with the 650 you can't get a lot of the [TS]

01:17:07   nice options so a lot of the fancy stuff [TS]

01:17:09   that's in the v6 or in the high-end ones [TS]

01:17:11   you just can't get with a stick shift [TS]

01:17:12   with just shame so we're kind of like [TS]

01:17:13   limiting ourselves but the sports [TS]

01:17:15   special edition is still limited like [TS]

01:17:17   the sport but has a few extra nicety so [TS]

01:17:19   it comes with leather seats and heat [TS]

01:17:22   seat heaters which has one for a long [TS]

01:17:24   time and we haven't been able to get [TS]

01:17:25   because for the most part 4 stick shift [TS]

01:17:27   sedans do not come with leather seats or [TS]

01:17:29   Cedars mr. BMWs like you know cheap car [TS]

01:17:31   so finally here is a car down in our [TS]

01:17:34   price range with these fancy options in [TS]

01:17:36   it and it comes with a nice fancy wheels [TS]

01:17:39   and all the little body treatments and [TS]

01:17:41   all the other stuff that you want your [TS]

01:17:42   accord sport to come with and [TS]

01:17:44   contrasting red stitching and a little [TS]

01:17:46   ball shifter thing and all sorts of a [TS]

01:17:48   nice thing they're still doesn't come [TS]

01:17:50   with navigation you think you still [TS]

01:17:51   can't get that and the second thing that [TS]

01:17:54   I think is attracting her to it is for [TS]

01:17:57   the most part the accord sport comes in [TS]

01:17:59   super boring colors you can get black [TS]

01:18:01   white and gray [TS]

01:18:02   I think the only option i love my car [TS]

01:18:04   that's it you know [TS]

01:18:06   honda is not particularly magnanimous [TS]

01:18:08   with the color choices that's literally [TS]

01:18:10   i'm looking at red right here the sport [TS]

01:18:12   special edition right well so now red is [TS]

01:18:14   an option but I 16 2016 right as an [TS]

01:18:17   option and in the 2017 special edition [TS]

01:18:20   so she wants to get a red honda accord [TS]

01:18:22   sport special edition 2017 model is we [TS]

01:18:26   also regressive I'm i like them but [TS]

01:18:29   they're aggressive [TS]

01:18:30   I know you have there anyway so this is [TS]

01:18:32   probably the car she's going to get and [TS]

01:18:33   I think what is making your go over is [TS]

01:18:36   the seat heaters and the leather which I [TS]

01:18:38   don't think she's gonna be that big of a [TS]

01:18:39   fan of whether I like closets personally [TS]

01:18:40   but seat heaters [TS]

01:18:41   I think she will enjoy a lot and the [TS]

01:18:45   fact that she's going to get in red so [TS]

01:18:47   she's got she's meant by the Marco red [TS]

01:18:49   bug she's at that stage in life where [TS]

01:18:50   she wants to have a red card i would [TS]

01:18:52   never buy sky bison black immediately [TS]

01:18:53   and but she can't tolerate having two [TS]

01:18:55   black accord you know I could even [TS]

01:18:56   though they would look as different as [TS]

01:18:58   two of my children to me to say [TS]

01:19:03   yeah like that time in 2014 they're [TS]

01:19:06   totally different the wheels alone how [TS]

01:19:07   can you not like what I'd ever [TS]

01:19:09   mistakenly get on the wrong [TS]

01:19:10   I would never happen but she cannot have [TS]

01:19:13   two black or just find her car she can [TS]

01:19:15   pick whatever color she wants and really [TS]

01:19:17   her only options are white black grey [TS]

01:19:19   and red now they were black and reds are [TS]

01:19:22   gonna be getting yeah yeah I don't mind [TS]

01:19:24   that like the silver the the greys [TS]

01:19:27   really dark but the silver I think court [TS]

01:19:28   does look good and silver but silver is [TS]

01:19:29   not an option for this so will this be [TS]

01:19:33   better than your car [TS]

01:19:34   yeah i mean like it obviously you see [TS]

01:19:37   there is going to make it better and [TS]

01:19:38   leather technically is better but like i [TS]

01:19:39   said i think i like cloth better you [TS]

01:19:42   look at me like that in your car and [TS]

01:19:43   almost every way [TS]

01:19:44   yeah and how do you see on that it's the [TS]

01:19:47   same engine transmission and like that I [TS]

01:19:50   don't think led the leather seats are [TS]

01:19:52   actually an improvement especially you [TS]

01:19:54   know I i know the heaters are going to [TS]

01:19:55   make them more up in the wintertime but [TS]

01:19:57   it is cold initially I see what the [TS]

01:19:58   seats warm up before you get into the [TS]

01:20:00   car and I don't really like sitting on [TS]

01:20:03   leather at rather sit on cloth but [TS]

01:20:07   everything else about it's not faster [TS]

01:20:08   doesn't have more powerful engine I'm [TS]

01:20:11   kind of jealous of her wheels because [TS]

01:20:12   like Casey said they are more aggressive [TS]

01:20:14   and i feel like i should have been more [TS]

01:20:15   aggressive wheels but it'll be fine like [TS]

01:20:19   I'm I'm happy for her to have this car [TS]

01:20:21   if she likes it then that's all I care [TS]

01:20:23   about [TS]

01:20:24   I will continue to try to defend my car [TS]

01:20:26   even as my children scrape their [TS]

01:20:27   bicycles against the side of it why not [TS]

01:20:30   a why not resume she wasn't interested [TS]

01:20:34   in that and honestly I am still a little [TS]

01:20:36   bit wary of mazda reliability there's [TS]

01:20:39   such a small company compared to all [TS]

01:20:40   parents car so far has been inside now I [TS]

01:20:43   know they're good i could we we had a [TS]

01:20:46   mazda when I was a kid there fairly [TS]

01:20:48   reliable but I'm [TS]

01:20:49   you know that I'm little bit wary of [TS]

01:20:51   that I would still go with it that's [TS]

01:20:52   what she wanted i think this Accord [TS]

01:20:54   looks better than the six and honestly [TS]

01:20:57   we've just always been a honda family it [TS]

01:20:58   seems silly to break the streak this [TS]

01:21:00   point and the other practical concern [TS]

01:21:02   that's a good reason to come to pick our [TS]

01:21:04   brand [TS]

01:21:04   well it's silly to pick a different [TS]

01:21:06   woman yeah i'll be out the I mean we've [TS]

01:21:08   been satisfied with him like we you know [TS]

01:21:10   it's like you stick with liking the [TS]

01:21:11   restaurant that you know you like rather [TS]

01:21:12   than trying a different one [TS]

01:21:14   I'm and the more practical reason is we [TS]

01:21:16   like to cross the dealer which whatever [TS]

01:21:18   it may be silly but again it's a [TS]

01:21:19   exchanging money for peace of mind or [TS]

01:21:22   someone to blame or whatever and it's a [TS]

01:21:25   lot easier to get 200 dealerships from [TS]

01:21:26   our allison is Tomas dealerships that's [TS]

01:21:29   very clever works i was gonna ask you [TS]

01:21:32   something [TS]

01:21:33   shoot oh it's somebody pointed out the [TS]

01:21:36   chat same thing i was thinking you know [TS]

01:21:38   I have no issue quite obviously with her [TS]

01:21:40   getting a six-speed but if she had [TS]

01:21:43   gotten an automatic i think that would [TS]

01:21:45   let her get a remote start and in the [TS]

01:21:47   barbaric conditions in which you live [TS]

01:21:49   that would probably be really nice [TS]

01:21:51   unless you would forgo the garage and [TS]

01:21:53   give her the garage spot i saw the [TS]

01:21:55   remote start as an option in the little [TS]

01:21:56   car builder thing i didn't realize that [TS]

01:21:58   probably have to be associated with the [TS]

01:22:00   automatic but it's not actually [TS]

01:22:01   automatic CVT is the other option that's [TS]

01:22:03   the record is so like that those are [TS]

01:22:05   your options and honor these dayz you [TS]

01:22:07   understand what I'm being chased down [TS]

01:22:08   into this one little corner of our [TS]

01:22:10   harness car lineup and eventually like [TS]

01:22:12   Casey you know i'll be in a situation [TS]

01:22:14   where this goes away but in the meantime [TS]

01:22:15   I'm gonna be buying these i really like [TS]

01:22:17   my car and it's it's probably the best [TS]

01:22:21   car i've owned possible exception of the [TS]

01:22:24   1992 civic which i really like but was a [TS]

01:22:26   death trap but yeah you keep sticking [TS]

01:22:29   with hot let me know how it works yet [TS]

01:22:31   minor issue [TS]

01:22:32   yeah there they are good cars and this [TS]

01:22:34   doesn't happen every car is a deathtrap [TS]

01:22:36   1982 come on like it was a tiny little [TS]

01:22:38   again because we didn't have the [TS]

01:22:39   technology to do this [TS]

01:22:41   yeah but the court is this generation [TS]

01:22:43   Accord is a greater I don't know what [TS]

01:22:44   the next generation will be like of [TS]

01:22:46   course you're thinking of getting a cord [TS]

01:22:47   and this is the last model year and [TS]

01:22:48   they're going to switch it over in 2018 [TS]

01:22:50   get this car get 2016 2017 the whole the [TS]

01:22:53   whole model line is just great looking [TS]

01:22:56   I'm building my own 2017 accord today [TS]

01:22:58   and sports special edition 6-speed [TS]

01:22:59   manual that that's the entire model [TS]

01:23:01   anyway I you're right the exterior [TS]

01:23:04   colors black steel which is gray samurai [TS]

01:23:07   in our red or white white orchid [TS]

01:23:09   pro-white are your options your interior [TS]

01:23:12   color your choices are as follows [TS]

01:23:15   black whether you have three choices [TS]

01:23:17   wheels and a bunch of really crappy [TS]

01:23:19   exterior accessories a handful of [TS]

01:23:22   equally crappy interior accessories and [TS]

01:23:25   then electronic wait a second [TS]

01:23:28   the most i said i'm trying started on [TS]

01:23:30   there but I think you're right how can [TS]

01:23:31   that be associated with the manual how [TS]

01:23:33   does that even work can't be well maybe [TS]

01:23:36   because neutral yeah which is not a good [TS]

01:23:38   idea know how does that that's not your [TS]

01:23:40   Park are a lot of people do that i agree [TS]

01:23:42   with you it's barbaric but if you don't [TS]

01:23:44   do that yet the remote starters your car [TS]

01:23:45   lurched forward and slammed right wall [TS]

01:23:48   yes seriously how can that be back [TS]

01:23:51   that doesn't mean it's probably it's [TS]

01:23:53   probably just a web site not realizing [TS]

01:23:54   oh you can you can't have that once you [TS]

01:23:56   have the CD [TS]

01:23:56   yeah that's probably and those those [TS]

01:23:58   stupid plastic accessories that you see [TS]

01:24:00   the exterior accessories people buy [TS]

01:24:01   those I see them on the road all the [TS]

01:24:03   time like a look at the prices and be [TS]

01:24:05   looking what they look like some of them [TS]

01:24:06   i think actually do look kind of cool [TS]

01:24:07   though the bodies that molding looks [TS]

01:24:09   good but usually people don't buy just [TS]

01:24:11   one they buy like all of them and just [TS]

01:24:13   look at the prices look how much money [TS]

01:24:14   they're paying yeah I don't understand [TS]

01:24:16   it anyway I bring all this up to say [TS]

01:24:18   that it is frustrating not only how [TS]

01:24:21   cheap this car is as compared to the [TS]

01:24:23   sorts of cars that i am often pricing [TS]

01:24:25   which again I didn't buy my BMW new for [TS]

01:24:27   that very reason but there are so few [TS]

01:24:30   actual options like these are just a sec [TS]

01:24:33   takuto or whatever [TS]

01:24:34   these are dealt dealer-installed crap [TS]

01:24:36   that's right exactly but with BMW think [TS]

01:24:40   nickel-and-dime you over everything [TS]

01:24:43   it is absurd how bad the nickel-and-dime [TS]

01:24:46   over the dumbest crap [TS]

01:24:49   in fact I don't think you even get [TS]

01:24:50   leather for free how did just added the [TS]

01:24:53   formats like a couple years ago I [TS]

01:24:56   believe like so I hope for the first [TS]

01:24:58   half of my honda buying yet to buy a [TS]

01:24:59   pound fifty bucks of formats they [TS]

01:25:01   finally added that in so that's a nice [TS]

01:25:03   break from the norm but it's frustrating [TS]

01:25:05   a few options like this again we would [TS]

01:25:06   pay for navigation will pay whatever [TS]

01:25:08   obscene price for navigating goes [TS]

01:25:10   that's what i want you want even though [TS]

01:25:12   we all know it's better on the phone and [TS]

01:25:13   also the stuff she just wants to have a [TS]

01:25:14   car with navigation to see what to see [TS]

01:25:16   what it's like [TS]

01:25:17   oh no have having a built-in is awesome [TS]

01:25:19   I i will gallery like like you even [TS]

01:25:22   Tesla's system is is ok but it's not [TS]

01:25:25   great but I i still use it instead of [TS]

01:25:27   using my phone because its built-in and [TS]

01:25:29   having a built-in is awesome [TS]

01:25:31   yep i completely agree I in my maps or [TS]

01:25:34   well I actually happen to have a BMW [TS]

01:25:36   bilby repair bill because that's what [TS]

01:25:38   BMW do is they generate repair bills i [TS]

01:25:40   have one in front of me which includes [TS]

01:25:42   delivery date which was december of 2010 [TS]

01:25:44   so I have maps from 2010 and every [TS]

01:25:47   single time i get in the car where I [TS]

01:25:49   don't when I don't know where I'm going [TS]

01:25:50   I will spend the time to plug it into [TS]

01:25:52   the navigation because it is so much [TS]

01:25:54   more convenient and safe to look at the [TS]

01:25:56   screen that's designed for that sort of [TS]

01:25:59   thing than it is to be fumbling with my [TS]

01:26:00   phone and I could not agree more even an [TS]

01:26:03   ancient car like mine is becoming i [TS]

01:26:06   would still rather have the onboard nap [TS]

01:26:07   so Tina is right to ask for it i [TS]

01:26:09   completely agree man but again not an [TS]

01:26:11   option like so many get something [TS]

01:26:12   because this is basically the bottom of [TS]

01:26:14   the line on the even though this is the [TS]

01:26:15   special edition and I wonder what are [TS]

01:26:17   the special edition things that are like [TS]

01:26:18   her special edition had the phone carbon [TS]

01:26:21   fiber trim like that was the special [TS]

01:26:23   edition her wheels like the things that [TS]

01:26:25   distinguish her current record as [TS]

01:26:27   special edition are from the outside is [TS]

01:26:29   the wheels and if you look inside the [TS]

01:26:31   fake carbon fiber the replaces like the [TS]

01:26:33   the trim bit and that's basically it and [TS]

01:26:36   the people who got such a good deal on [TS]

01:26:38   her car the people who ordered this car [TS]

01:26:40   before us and then backed out [TS]

01:26:42   did at add a couple of external bolt-on [TS]

01:26:45   dealer accessories that I just had to [TS]

01:26:47   like stomach you know like that you know [TS]

01:26:49   you can't really remove them does not [TS]

01:26:50   like holes in the bodywork where they [TS]

01:26:52   mount them or whatever so I just accept [TS]

01:26:54   those I don't really like them i would [TS]

01:26:56   never bought them myself but this car is [TS]

01:26:58   so cheap [TS]

01:26:58   we got such a good deal on this car i [TS]

01:27:00   assume we're not going to get that great [TS]

01:27:01   of a deal in 2017 with the other 27 [TS]

01:27:03   anything i'm looking forward to is [TS]

01:27:05   supposedly they made their infotainment [TS]

01:27:07   system software better em and there's a [TS]

01:27:10   lot of room trying to get better because [TS]

01:27:13   it is so slow and so clunking so [TS]

01:27:15   byzantine it took me like six months to [TS]

01:27:18   learn how to do the most basic things on [TS]

01:27:19   it still drives me nuts so [TS]

01:27:21   I'm happy for them to have you know that [TS]

01:27:24   they advertise it as you know being more [TS]

01:27:27   responsive like please anything anything [TS]

01:27:29   any improvement in that area that you [TS]

01:27:31   can give me I will accept i'm sure they [TS]

01:27:33   probably also makes all things were so [TS]

01:27:34   anyway I'm hopeful vaguely helpful as [TS]

01:27:38   guard but yeah I'm slowly being chased [TS]

01:27:41   out of the car market by stick shifts [TS]

01:27:45   disappearing and i'm being chased that [TS]

01:27:46   honda's by Honda replacing all their [TS]

01:27:48   transmissions with cbts hopefully by the [TS]

01:27:51   time I'm really taste adamant all the [TS]

01:27:53   cds will have morphed into you know [TS]

01:27:55   automated manual you know dual-clutch [TS]

01:27:57   transmissions and that maybe i'll be [TS]

01:27:59   able to tolerate more than the horror [TS]

01:28:01   that is Syria t now dct is livable like [TS]

01:28:04   it if if my future or not and I if my [TS]

01:28:09   future is not an electric car then and [TS]

01:28:13   it's not a six-speed i will go out of my [TS]

01:28:16   way to find a true dct because they say [TS]

01:28:20   it is not the way i would prefer it but [TS]

01:28:21   it is certainly livable do the does this [TS]

01:28:25   model year support power play because [TS]

01:28:27   you get the big screen even if you don't [TS]

01:28:29   get like a GPS chip so to speak [TS]

01:28:31   right but it's not touch screen it's [TS]

01:28:34   just a display screen so car plate no [TS]

01:28:36   carplay can use wheels and stuff too [TS]

01:28:38   right right but there's no well there's [TS]

01:28:41   kind of a wheel it's not if it it's not [TS]

01:28:45   the like the BMW system where you have a [TS]

01:28:48   cursor control it's not like that it's [TS]

01:28:50   more like a series of buttons and [TS]

01:28:51   sometimes sometimes the wheel scrolls [TS]

01:28:53   but that's it i'm gonna even like a [TS]

01:28:54   d-pad kinda think i'm pretty sure [TS]

01:28:56   carplay work with all sorts of [TS]

01:28:57   combinations of these control schemes [TS]

01:28:59   you know intentionally harm does support [TS]

01:29:01   carplay so maybe it works but really [TS]

01:29:03   it's not even the d'pad it's not even a [TS]

01:29:04   five-way thing it is literally a cluster [TS]

01:29:06   of buttons one called menu one called [TS]

01:29:08   back and there's a button and there's a [TS]

01:29:11   wheel the only thing we all those move [TS]

01:29:12   the selection up and down but mostly [TS]

01:29:14   hitting menu back and settings to try to [TS]

01:29:16   navigate and display because some [TS]

01:29:18   navigation options are not available [TS]

01:29:19   this particular thing is displayed so it [TS]

01:29:21   is a terrible interface [TS]

01:29:23   well when Mark when I and a couple of [TS]

01:29:26   friends of ours went to cupertino and [TS]

01:29:29   facebook when we were out in California [TS]

01:29:31   we rented a mercedes GL 45 which is a [TS]

01:29:34   truly lovely [TS]

01:29:35   cv like it's certainly not my kind of [TS]

01:29:37   car not the sort of thing I would want [TS]

01:29:39   to drive but darned if it wasn't really [TS]

01:29:41   nice [TS]

01:29:42   that being said I I mean I Drive has its [TS]

01:29:46   problems it's very opinionated and it's [TS]

01:29:48   it's a little bit weird although i've [TS]

01:29:51   come to absolutely love it and I drivers [TS]

01:29:53   BMW system and drives great [TS]

01:29:56   yeah whatever they call the Mercedes [TS]

01:29:58   system it is unbelievably bad this was [TS]

01:30:03   I would assume this was like a 90,000 [TS]

01:30:05   our truck or something like that [TS]

01:30:06   whatever was it was expensive maybe [TS]

01:30:07   90,000 was expensive and it was [TS]

01:30:10   beautiful in so many ways but this [TS]

01:30:13   infotainment system was awful just [TS]

01:30:17   unbelievably bad i'm guessing they [TS]

01:30:20   probably just didn't give it a name out [TS]

01:30:21   of mercy that it's called command all [TS]

01:30:24   caps [TS]

01:30:24   yeah but they'll name side I just I [TS]

01:30:28   can't handle it was so unbelievably bad [TS]

01:30:32   just indescribable a bad yeah there was [TS]

01:30:35   there was a time I I about a year ago I [TS]

01:30:38   i rented i was a car rental place for on [TS]

01:30:41   a trip and I had to rent a four-door [TS]

01:30:42   sedan and there was a mercedes e [TS]

01:30:45   something-or-other that was available [TS]

01:30:47   for a little bit more like okay sure [TS]

01:30:48   i'll do that and it was a great pleasure [TS]

01:30:51   to drive that car in many many ways but [TS]

01:30:53   it had the same system and my god like [TS]

01:30:56   it it's like using Gauss like it just [TS]

01:30:59   it's like what year is this and how [TS]

01:31:01   expensive is this car and you have this [TS]

01:31:03   system in here like it's it's [TS]

01:31:06   impressively bad [TS]

01:31:08   yeah so if you go to automobiles honda [TS]

01:31:11   com / accord hyphen sedan and if you [TS]

01:31:15   scroll down [TS]

01:31:16   how did I get here of course you can't [TS]

01:31:18   link to anything on the stupid page if [TS]

01:31:22   you scroll down there's eventually a [TS]

01:31:23   section where it says cockpit [TS]

01:31:25   convenience or accessories if you click [TS]

01:31:27   accessories then there's a button for [TS]

01:31:29   apple carplay where it says it is [TS]

01:31:31   standard on EXT XL EXL v6 and touring [TS]

01:31:34   models which i assume is not the sport [TS]

01:31:36   model which means no God's it means no [TS]

01:31:39   stick that we like you can get the the [TS]

01:31:41   stick in the LX and we looked at that [TS]

01:31:43   like you can buy a non-sport one and you [TS]

01:31:46   get a few different options but you get [TS]

01:31:47   worse looking wheel [TS]

01:31:48   so for me that's the deal-breaker DX DX [TS]

01:31:51   Elliot and EXL v6 and touring those are [TS]

01:31:54   your only options [TS]

01:31:55   yeah the the LX is the bottom of the [TS]

01:31:57   bottom of the line they got rid of the [TS]

01:31:58   excess and kind of clever thing that [TS]

01:32:00   Honda did in its naming used to use to [TS]

01:32:03   have a love letter system for like the [TS]

01:32:05   trim levels right index was always the [TS]

01:32:07   bottom like are our Civic was the DXY [TS]

01:32:09   only had one side mirror on it like yeah [TS]

01:32:11   right [TS]

01:32:12   I still can't believe that was legal for [TS]

01:32:14   a long time yeah that's very tiny car I [TS]

01:32:17   i think they basically retired the DX [TS]

01:32:20   moniker because it became such a like [TS]

01:32:22   you know an anti status symbols like oh [TS]

01:32:24   you got the super cheap one right and so [TS]

01:32:26   now the bottom is just a lie only do is [TS]

01:32:28   shift letters like the LX is basically [TS]

01:32:29   the DX the same thing like you know no [TS]

01:32:32   body colored side mirror is they don't [TS]

01:32:34   do one more anymore but it's a really [TS]

01:32:36   cheap but yeah that the sport is a step [TS]

01:32:38   up from the LX so you know you can get [TS]

01:32:41   the LX and the pressures you can get the [TS]

01:32:43   Alex with a stick and you can get more [TS]

01:32:45   options a few more options on the Alex [TS]

01:32:47   even though it is supposedly the lesser [TS]

01:32:48   model because the sport is like oh you [TS]

01:32:50   don't want those things you want [TS]

01:32:51   everything just to be sport is like no [TS]

01:32:52   will you no I would have taken a seat [TS]

01:32:54   heaters in my car if they were an option [TS]

01:32:56   but they weren't an option [TS]