The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► are either of you watching a new top [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► gear know what I want to do that so I'm [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► just very slowly and I watched episode 2 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► I think i'm on 322 is no good [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► three is where it starts to take a turn [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► in a good one but two is to is the one [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► where they review the big yellow Ferrari [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► right I yes I believe that's right away [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► and Rose well yeah but this the Epsom [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► still no good [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► however the 3 through 5 are much [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► improved was watching so Marco [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► definitely don't even bother with 123 [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► 5050 i would say yes so 60 40 45 [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► definitely if you have time worth [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► watching [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► I think I'll just start like this season [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► this plus 1 and just tell me when that [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► Tony that's good parent [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► we should probably start with some [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► follow-up and is it [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► linux or Linus always get it wrong [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Torvalds heads them said some things to [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► say to you John of all people about hfs+ [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► wasn't to me really this was the thing I [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► was looking for a last week I said that [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► a contestar walls had said unkind things [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► about hfs+ because he had a run-in with [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it as it relates to the good version [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► control system and I googled for it and [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► I found this exact URL but I mean it's [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► like a bear blind is a google plus [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► blindness this is a google but all that [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► that can't be it i thought he had a blog [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► post or something I just ignored this [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► this google busing it turns out that his [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► little I don't know if this is the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► origin but this is another place where [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► he complained about isn't a comment on [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► google+ page so it's basically invisible [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► as far as the civilized world is [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► concerned anyway I think I noticed it [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► because I think he did with the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► equivalent of at mentioning me there and [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► I probably got some notification and [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► google+ back when I was still paying [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► attention to google glass and we'll put [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► a link in the show notes remember when [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► you go to the link [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► there's no way to directly link to this [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► comment as far as i could tell you just [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► have to scroll until you see his name [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► and the substance of it doesn't really [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► matter that much as we talked about last [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► week it's more if you want to see the [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► things that people both love and hate [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► about the linux kernel and linus [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► torvalds and and just those communities [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► how he just says everything in sort of a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► rude dismissive way like the HMS pluses [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► actively designed to be bad by people [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► who thought they had good ideas and they [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► should just very pasty eaters and they [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► have no idea what they're doing [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► it's it's very rude like you can say all [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the same things about being rude and [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that's a topic that's come up a lot and [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► open source communities like some people [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► enjoy that like drawn to keep it real [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► and other people like I don't want to [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► hang out with a bunch of people who are [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► jerks to each other right can we not [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► talk about technical issues without [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► calling people names [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► i stalled can't that's too bad [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► anyway they're so just following up from [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► last weekend closing the circle on why [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► hfs+ makes people angry and you can see [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► it's basically about he really doesn't [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► like NFD to do the decomposed normalized [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► form from unicode even though address [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► what plus doesn't use the exact NFD [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► format used actually a variant but he [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► really hates that entirely like you [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► think that just shouldn't exist and no [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► one should ever use it and he doesn't [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► like the fact that normalize and he [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► doesn't like the fact that this case [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► insensitive so he's really got a lot of [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► complaints about hfs+ go figure [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► but because he liked the king of not [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► invented here syndrome not invented here [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► is just like he's totally he would i [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► would imagine he would be in the camp [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► for it's like why the process of doing [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► anything to my finally why is it trying [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► to do something stupid it should not be [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► messing with my file name it should just [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► do it should just be simple and then [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► unix-like and sort of worse is better [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► all of your system call fails just tried [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► again you'll get an error code that [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► tells you that you better check the area [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► code just check it so simple i think [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that's you know it's a bag bites just [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► put whatever but you want and you don't [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► know what it means your own stupid fault [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► now i'm doing my weird pretend my star [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► walled voice but that would be my guess [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► is that you have a voice but yeah [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► philosophically he seems to be in the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► camp that things should be simpler and [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► it's kind of a violation of the contract [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► for the file system to take your [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► filename and do something weird with it [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► fair enough tell me about integrity [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► checker this is the program I was trying [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► to think of the already existing [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► long-standing program that will wander [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► you get your mac discs and [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► write out a bunch check some files and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► then check that your files haven't [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► changed its from digital Lloyd tools [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► from Mac performance guide will put a [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► link in the show notes i believe it's [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► sprinkles a bunch of dicey files all [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► over your disk a lot of these things [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► that you check sums do something like [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► this that they'll either want to modify [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► your files by adding an extended at read [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► although want to sprinkle a bunch of [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► files all of your disk with check sums [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► in them and there's advantages and [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► disadvantages that the advantages that [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► you can't lose like all your check sums [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► at once like the checksums go along with [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the directory can move the directory to [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► check something that goes along with it [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► if one of the files gets corrupted you [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► don't lose the all your check sums like [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► it has advantages over a central [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► database but the disadvantage of course [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► is that you get a bunch of these little [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► turkey file sprinkle over your hard [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► drive so you'd be hesitant to point it [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► just an arbitrary directory tree because [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► you'd be like am I going to make some [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► program angry or confused by putting a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► bunch of these files in the directory [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that they don't expect to be there but [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you can check it out it apparently uses [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► sha-1 check sums and in my quest to [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► remember this this to lots of other [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► people sent in other tools saying is [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► just one you're thinking of is when [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► you're thinking of integrity checker was [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► the one I was thinking about a few other [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► ones came up [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► there's a chick bit which is a a note of [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► module that does something similar and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► apparently they ran out of vows so it's [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► eh kbit will put a link to that in the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► show notes if you want to use a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► javascript to do you check something I [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► hear your snark there [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► yeah well it's not bad that is a bunch [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► of tools around par to move based on the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► P archive format and party was just a [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► second version of it and this is sort of [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► a next step up where instead of just [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► writing a check sums it will write out [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► parody files to correct errors that [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► defined so won't just write the check [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► something know there's an error to [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► essentially do sort of like the same [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► thing that like a raid5 does not the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► same algorithm or more fancy algorithms [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► for adding parody information so that if [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you do detect some corruption you can [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► correct it and you just tell it what [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► percentage of your disk space you want [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► to dedicate the parity information so [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► you could dedicate say five percent of [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► the of your disk space like if you have [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► a director as a hundred megs you can say [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► okay I'm allowing you to use five [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► megabytes just or parody information so [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► that you can recover from one or two or [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► three bit errors or whatever that you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► find in corruption so that's that's [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► again it's like a user space version of [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the kind of protection rate might [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► provide you or or something like CFS [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► with a duplicate the data and duplicate [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► the check sums and all that stuff now so [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► if you hypothetically have ever found a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► file that's fallen off the back of a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► truck [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► you might have seen parts use associated [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► with that depending on which truck you [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► happen to have found that file on the [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► backup for falling off the backup well [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► only only if you found it on the back of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► a really old truck he had a very very [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► old truck it were talking like model [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► Tiero even though those old trucks are [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► still running and no one really knows [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► about them and it's amazing but yeah [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► it's a really old truck ahead it's true [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► just talking about pirated files on [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► usenet why would they use the use the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► original part of why would they use [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► parody information are they trying to I [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► know nothing of this John but if I did [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know just know something of this i [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► believe its part to me and i believe the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► rationale is suppose you split up your [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► file on a whole bunch of little ancient [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► trucks you're missing one truck one [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► truck didn't make it that you have like [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► 400 other trucks and you have like two [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► part trucks and hearts can replace any [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► of the missing other four hundred trucks [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► yeah so then you can put back together [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► you're really big truck you're trying to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► assemble so you can finally watch the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► new top gear america this is the best i [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► love you guys [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► alright what is that Tony gray have to [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► say and hungry tweeted that he [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► apparently is is in the process of [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► trying to make ahfs check some utility [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► as well so he was when he heard us [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► talking about it is like so this is [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► again I said it's not a new idea their [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► existing applications that do it and [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► they're even applications that have not [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► given recent release to do it and of [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► course all which makes me even less [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► inclined even start this project but i [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► can tell you that all these different [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► tools that i looked at none of them does [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► it exactly the way I want [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► do it but it doesn't mean i'll ever [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► actually find the time to make this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► program will see how is it possible that [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► like I'm going to be a mac programmer [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► before you are no i-i've good [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► programming on the mac toolbox back in [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the day and made a silly little programs [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► that did nothing so i think i'd be to do [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► you're probably in what elementary [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► school anyway yeah most likely [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► you haven't seen ya the handle window [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► dragging yourself when he didn't get it [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► free [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► mark what do you want your winner to be [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► draggable you better get the dragon vent [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► talk about barbera otherwise you'd want [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► your application will be a window on the [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► screen you couldn't move it grab a towel [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► bar and wouldn't rush Mac toolbox yay we [TS]

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00:10:38 ◼   ► know if you're gonna like it what [TS]

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00:10:44 ◼   ► box you can get it up steps you can move [TS]

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00:10:51 ◼   ► so don't worry there's still some for [TS]

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00:10:53 ◼   ► them into that mattress that's a really [TS]

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00:10:58 ◼   ► you want that you don't pay for that [TS]

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00:11:43 ◼   ► ah alright kids we did not cover all of [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► the Apple platform filesystem no stop [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► saying platformers Apple file says them [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► why is that why is that still alive [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► because there's a pee in there it's at [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► Paul a mac OS a nap pool file system [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► Nicolas Cage come on you don't you don't [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► get that don't pretend you get that [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► anyway tell me about space sharing John [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► while we talk about these last remaining [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► a PFS topics you guys to think of some [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► of us the show otherwise we're going to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► do how to handle email or screen time [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► for kids we can talk about top here some [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► more that just I think we did actually [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► talk about these in a post deputies you [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► think I thought about them a little bit [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► more space sharing is the first one [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► where I forget the terminology like a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► container for a PFS then you can put a [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► bunch of different volumes in it but you [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► don't have to partition it just make one [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► big giant container and then you can [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► make as many volumes as you want and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► every single volume seize the entire [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► size of the container which seems weird [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► but it's it's great so you don't have to [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► do that you know in your experiment [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► still think of how big should i make the [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► user partition how big their make the / [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► partition you don't have to think ahead [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► of time about how much room something is [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► going to take up if you have a large [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► volume you want to divide up between [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► multiple uses you [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► just let them go at it and they will [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► find their natural equilibrium or one of [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► the mold grow too fast you'll be [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► disappointed you wish you could [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► partition it but I think you'll still be [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► able to make multiple containers like [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► old style partitions I'm tried it anyway [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that's interesting from a UI perspective [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► because got the same problems drobo had [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► like Woodrow would show you how much [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► space would show much larger amount of [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► space that was actually available like [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► to for example the time machine if you [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► doing time machine to a drobo and as [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► time machine ran eventually you know the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► driver would just run out of space but [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► time machine can't predict that because [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► i can't really get an accurate read on [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► how much space there really is because [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► of the similar space sharing type thing [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► that was a multi-disc situation but [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► anyway I don't know how you show space [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► sharing to the user you just show them [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► and I'm assuming like oh I've got one [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► terabyte drive with three volumes on it [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► 3 1 terabyte volumes and if you get info [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► on each of those three volumes they also [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► yep I'm am one terabyte volume and I [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► have this much free I don't know you can [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► show that in a sensible way but i'm glad [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► the future exists because i like the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► idea of not having to think about it [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► ahead of time and make fixed-size [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► partitions although I'm not sure that's [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► the thing people do anymore d the [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► morning you have any of your disk [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► partition or do you have more than one [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► disk i do have more than one disk i [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► don't have the partition at all and i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► think one way you can do this maybe is [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► with the with network drives at least [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► they have the quota system but this is [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► how this is how technologies time [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► machine hosting module works where and I [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► should point out again i think i've said [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► this before but I've done many different [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► ways of time machine backup from direct [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► attacks discs to a mac mini server [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► running OS 10 server with Time Machine [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► server on that to this analogy thing [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► I've never used a time capsule but [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► otherwise everything else I've done and [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the the synology system is by far the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► most reliable with time machine I've [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► never had to like format the whole [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► partition and start again because time [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► machine kept thinking it was full look [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► at that happened with literally every [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► other method tried never happened with [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the synology one and what i have is but [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► what seems like a pretty complex setup [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► which is a single i believe a terabyte [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► volume that is split between me and tiff [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► and each of us connect to it with a [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► different username and each user name [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► has a 50-percent space quota on that [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► volume [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► and we both Phillip or become very close [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► to filling it much of the time and it's [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► fine like it has never aired out time [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► machine always keep up-to-date so you [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► know what I do this is a complete [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► diversion but huge recommendation for [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► using the time machine thing on [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► technologies because it's amazing [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► although one better i have the same i [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► have not a single but i have a time [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► machine volume and I think Sal channel [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► if you have one time machine volume i [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► think that's actually like a rate a raid [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► set at this point because it's bigger [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► than any one of my single discs and i [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► have three or four different computers [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► back after time machine and I'll do [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► anything with quotas I just let them run [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► interesting they just kind of fight it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I don't know what they're doing all i [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► know is it never bothers me the backup [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► is complete successfully you can recover [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► files from it [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► I I think they just you know when one of [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► them sees that the thing is filling the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► trim they're all backups you know like [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it's as far as I'm concerned it's magic [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► yes I don't do anything with the quotas [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► it's a free-for-all it's just like [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► whoever whichever time machine backup in [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► the pit getting close to the end of the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► disk it says it's time for me to trim [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► some all backups and it does that it's [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► cooperative time machining nice yeah i [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► would i would double down what you guys [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► said as well i have to physical disks [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that are joined in whatever the raid is [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► that is non redundant because it's 0 [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► yep and so so i have two discs joined [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► raid0 yeah i do the quota thing that [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► Marcos talking about i have yet to have [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► an issue outside of a disk failure which [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► is beyond serologies control but not [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it's worked really well for me [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► well how did we get on this subject [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► weirdo Johnny asked if we partition [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► stuff i have not partitioned any mac of [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► owned ever to the best of my [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► recollection I've never done even boot [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► camp which you would think i would have [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► given my prior profession but I always [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► just used the m's I used to aggressively [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► partition my my actual physical windows [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► machines in the past i remember since [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► ever I would have liked my OS drive and [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► then my like data drive and then [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► applications drive thinking that if I [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► ever wanted to put on a different OS [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► like a new version windows whatever then [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► all that other stuff could just remain [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► where it was and in reality that has [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► never been the case ever ever ever [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► ever yeah i mean with Windows I would do [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► the same thing because if your windows [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► power user you you get into the habit of [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► like just maybe once a year just [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► reformat your system drive and put it [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► all back and start start clean because [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► with Windows you basically have to do [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► that to have a welcoming system and once [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► I moved to max I i think i've done that [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► literally like since the time I started [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► using Mac's in 2004 i think i started [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► clean twice in an entire time [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► yeah i think my first time since 08 was [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► when I got the imac and then I was much [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► more piecemeal about it rather than just [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► transferring everything but let you know [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► they doing that migration system style [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► thing but anyway yeah so that was an [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► extraordinarily long answer the question [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► John asked which ones do you guys [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► partition your drives and john i'm [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► assuming use you you did so you do or [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► you you're going to say you do I assume [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► yeah I do I'm not my main drive but i [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► have somebody drive to accept this [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► they're all split up into little pieces [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► mostly because the drives are so big [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► it'd be a waste to dedicate think I'm [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► not gonna dedicate one terabyte boot [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► camp right so that drivers split up and [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► other drives like I just divided into [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► two pieces and it i I've never done a [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► separate user directory a lot of people [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► do that like they have their home [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► directory and all their files on [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► onedrive and then like basically a boot [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► drive with the OS on it in their [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► applications and I never quite [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► understood that split and any time I [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► ever try to spell like that back in the [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► old days very tiny hard drives [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► I always got it wrong like you try to [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► guess how big everything is and give [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► room for growth and if you guess wrong [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► on the operating system is like you know [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► system 7.5 point 5 comes out and it's a [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► little bit bigger and you know just it's [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► so easy to get that messed up so i i'm i [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► think i will use something like this [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► because i have things partition now and [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► I realize if I ever got close to you [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► know my space constraints i would have [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► all this wasted space and you can resize [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► partitions to some degree but it's not [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► as flexible as you want so i think i [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► will use spacefaring I won't be confused [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► by the size stuff and I suppose other [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► people normal people who would be [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► computed just never partition anything [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► so maybe it's a non-issue [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► but speaking of time machine that's [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► doesn't aps thing related that first of [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► all you can use time machine with a BFS [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► right now but that's obviously a [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► temporary condition a PFS doesn't [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► provide any [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► particular new features that make it [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► easier for you to answer the question [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► hey what's happened since the last time [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► I ran a backup in a little bit like it's [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► basically still going to have to use [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► something like as events where any i/o [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► that goes through the colonel is logged [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► in some fashion and then you can find [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► out what has changed since the last time [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you ran I and you probably the same API [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► is put in a similar fashion so it [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► doesn't have something like CFS is a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► give me the block tips since last time [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► and even if it had that even though the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► super-efficient doesn't quite work with [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► time machines you why because time you [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► want to exclude things and if you do [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► anything at the block level you don't [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► you can't be excluding as easily as you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► know based on file path or whatever so [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► AP US doesn't give any advantages time [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► machine in terms of that kind of [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► efficiency but it does give lots of [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► advantages in terms of making a [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► consistent backup we talked about this [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► before and every researcher with [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► snapshots where time machine can take a [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► snapshot of the drive as exists in a [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► certain state and then just slowly back [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► up front from that snapshot so it won't [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► have to worry about like time machine [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► ran for three hours and it's the run [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► started backing up backed up these files [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but these files at backup three hours [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► later so you have this weird mixture of [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► different time periods and then it's [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► like painting the golden gate bridge or [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► whatever you got to go back to the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► beginning and find any towels to change [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► you're waiting for this period this sort [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► of period of quiet when things have [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► settled down [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► don't worry about that was not just take [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► a snapshot backup from their destroy the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► snapshot when you're done that will be [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► great and also for the purpose of this [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► is the next thing for the purpose of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► making multiple backups where the files [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► that haven't changed the same sort of [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the time machine models you can go to [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► the finder and browse your backups and [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► they all look like complete copies of [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► your data but of course they're not [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► storing the unchanged data multiple [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► times using hard links so hard links to [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► files and harlington directories but [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► you're gross and weird [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► you don't have to have those anymore [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► because of the the copyright stuff that [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► a PFS has and you can do clones where [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► you can clone an entire directory and so [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► this entire directory tree make a copy [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► of it but not really like it you can do [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► it like basically in constant time [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► you're not actually copying everything [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► you just saying now there are two of [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► these and they are independent copies if [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► you would go into the copy and modify a [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► file you're not modifying the file in [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► both places like you would [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► with a hard link or something it's [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► copy-on-write so as soon as you modify [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► one of the change files then they start [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► to diverge but the actual copy operation [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► is just a clone operation it'sit's very [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► very fast one of the demos they did in [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► the wwc session something that some [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► people paranoid because they're like [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► well frequently when I'm working on [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► something i'll go to the finder and like [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► duplicate it and like put the other one [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► off to the side like poor man's version [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► control you ever do that where you just [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► make a copy of a folder just in case and [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► put to the side all the time and it's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► like well but but sometimes i do that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► like what if one of the things gets [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► corrupted this is a bad sector on disk [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► well if my clone is an actual clone the [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► bad sector and disc is going to blow [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► away both of them are you know corrupt [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► both of them because they're they share [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► the same storage under the covers well [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► if US doesn't dictate that every single [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► copy is a clone [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► there'll be two different API is I'm not [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► sure which one the finder will use i'm [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► assuming you will use the fast one [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► but even the finer doesn't offer this [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► feature there will be a way I'm sure [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► from the command line but if not you [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► write a program to be no dude like a [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► regular copy where you just copied don't [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► do the clone thing so that's another you [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► I nuance that Apple have to decide how [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► to navigate in the users we got to take [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► advantage of and honestly I think it I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► think it's good that both feature [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► sometimes i do want to make a clone of [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► this gigantic directory tree for free in [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► constant time and other times i want to [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► say no actually copy every single one of [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► this piece of data to a new play some [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► disc because that's what i want and i [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► look forward to hopefully it's like a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► modifier key you can hold down or [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► something I look forward the that being [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► exposed in the finder but I'm resigned [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► to the fact that probably end up having [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► to do it from the command line and the [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► other fun thing about clones this is [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► sort of travel purposes again this whole [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► this whole file systems problems [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► purposes is that it can be atomic Apple [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► has a lot of things in the system [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► including some file formats [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► quote-unquote file formats that are [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► actually directories full of files like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► dot RTF d is actually a directory full [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► of a bunch of other things and in a [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► simple application like USA teach text [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► geez what the hell's a call text edit [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► yeah i'm not going to text that it can [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► make our tfd quorum court files which [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► are really directory trees and when you [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► save it's trying to do like a safe save [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► where [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► if the the plug gets pulled in the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► middle of your save operation you either [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► have the new version of the file the old [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► version you don't have like half and [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► half so the atomic save operation now [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► will do like this is also in the the WV [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► session if i recall correctly it will [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► like write the new version of the file [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► to a new location rename the old one-two [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► a weird name and rename the new [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► directory on top of the old one but [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► there's still a period in which things [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► are inconsistent when you rename the old [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► one-two to a new name but you haven't [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yet renamed the new one on top of it now [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you have two files neither which is [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► named like the old one and they might [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► both be hidden because you don't want [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► people to see this weird stuff going on [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► so it's not great a PFS you can do an [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► atomic loan and so you can sort of her [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► in one operation one atomic operation to [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► completely do it completely not do it [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► you have the old file you have the new [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► file and of course it's superficial and [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► all the stuff so that's that's going to [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► mean it's gonna be four people writing [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► applications that they have similar file [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► formats it'll make those file formats [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► more tenable because before was just [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► kind of such a pain and you knew you had [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► this race condition where things could [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► be a weird weird state for a small [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► period of time you can even see the [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► finder sometimes because the finders now [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► actually reactive to changes where if [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► you watched when like text that saved [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► you'd see these weird temporary files [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► and a double file and rename on top of [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the other one and with cloning hopefully [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that will go so fast that you don't see [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► it anymore [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► yeah my favorite is since I've been [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► doing a lot of switch development lately [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► I just like Marco I've had a playground [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► on my desktop and every time that the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► playground goes to save itself or if I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► save it it'll flash from the playground [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► icon to the jit the gym generic folder [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► icon and then back to the playground [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► icon once finder catches up and realizes [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► it's one of those like bundles is [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► actually remember my future came to the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► fire like having having an efficient way [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► to sort of tell the colonel hey I'm [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► interested if anything happens to anyone [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► of these files of anything changes one [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► of these files I don't care what process [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► it is analysis then let me know so i [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► have to pull like the old model was like [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► if you had a finder window open other [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► applications were changing its like the [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► Finder window periodically and it was [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► pulling you would never catch changes [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► that fast but because it's using KQ or [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► FS events or some other system that is [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► you know that's not pulling that the [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► colonel will notify the finder [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► it's fast enough to catch almost any [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► changes that might still catch the clone [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► but hopefully it will only like flash [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► briefly and you'll see the old file and [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► then blink in the new file and never [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► will you see the the weird [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► I've rename this to not be an RTF d [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► anymore or not it not be a playground [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► anymore or whatever i guess the final [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► item of snapshots we talked about [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► I wonder if there'll be any UI to that [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► probably not because it's more like a [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► programmatic thing time machine will be [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► will be creating the leading snapshots [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► behind the scenes but you don't need to [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► see that programs like SuperDuper might [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► create snapshots to to backup from but [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you don't need to see that either it'll [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► probably do it through an API there will [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► be a command line i'm sure i can't [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► envision any particular reason for their [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► to ever be a GUI for doing snapshot so I [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► guess another third-party opportunity [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► because it's a straightforward API you [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► can make a cool third-party thing that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► lets you view and create and destroy [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► snapshots I'm not making that up another [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► idea for people who want to make an [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► application that three people will buy [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you know John there's a lot of app ideas [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that I'm like you know I would love for [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► this app to exist and you look around [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► and just doesn't exist and at some point [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► you got you know you're a programmer [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► some point you gotta be like you know [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► what i find i'm gonna make it [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► well I i imagine someone will make [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► that's not something like that you ever [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► see like backup loop or the time machine [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► browsing things let you like look at [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► your time machine backup set or like [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► their fancy interfaces to the TAMU tail [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► command line there's lots of google apps [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► like that i'm sure someone will make one [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► just because if an app like this is easy [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► to make all you're doing is making it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► more convenient to do stuff that you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► could do from the command line someone [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► will make it so I feel like just by [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► talking about it will it will come into [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► existence [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► yeah but you know what else though even [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► if somebody makes it they're not going [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► to make it your way [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► truth that's true so you have to do it [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► John it's obvious [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► I'll say I I don't understand why when I [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► would do any of these things like it's [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► not like I have a lot of a time that's a [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► knock your pipe with other stuff that i [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► would rather be doing Brian ash the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► chapters made an excellent point he said [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► that underscores listening and he just [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► completed it which is probably accurate [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► but he made the iOS version sauce [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► good for me fair enough [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► all right are we done with a PFS is that [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► it yeah i think so like this we just do [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► things we already talked about the WTC [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► thing I don't think there's anything new [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► we didn't have many questions from [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► listeners about itself although i did no [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► one has yet called me on the the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► mistakes i made about a ascii 7-bit [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► ascii versus a bit ascii and utf-8 but i [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► guess no one cares that's why I know I [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► made the mistakes people who no no I [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► made the mistakes is it really not [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► mistakes just their errors of omission [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► because doesn't make any sense I kept [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► saying to 55 but obviously if you're [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► going to use all 255 combinations of a [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► bits you have no way to implement utf-8 [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► and that's obviously not how it works [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► so anyway we're sponsor this week by [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► Harry's now Harry's is the only shaving [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► company that has amazing quality low [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► prices and modern convenience they sell [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► razors and blades and you look at this [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► stuff and it's great they recently sent [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► me one of their newest kits like they [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► say seasonally update their designs and [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► stuff sometimes I like a special and [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► they sent me some of their new stuff and [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► this just this stuff to keep getting [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► better and better at the handle is I got [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that that orange i believe the Truman [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► set that the orange big on channel one [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► and its like before at the silver one [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and they're both so nice like it's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► almost like actually seasonal cycle my [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► razor handle these things are so nice [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► they're classy looking they're nice and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's almost like a like a modern take on [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► like madmen kind of aesthetic almost [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► like mid-century but updated modern look [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► for this stuff and this is such sharp [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► such stark contrast to what you usually [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► see in shaving equipment design from the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► big brands which is why I often describe [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► it as like android commercial design or [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► like weird like transformers but Harry's [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► is not like that hair is nice and classy [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► and the hairies blades are such good [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► values i have not found a better value [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► in the shaving world than the hairies [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► blade so these are german-engineered [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► five blade cartridges now you've seen [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► five blade cartridges from other big [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► brands Harry's is about half the price [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► or less of these leading brands the [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► starter set is an amazing [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► deal also for just fifteen dollars you [TS]

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00:31:06 ◼   ► you get for the price and quality is [TS]

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00:31:19 ◼   ► have some important follow-up actually [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that surprise follow-up that you missed [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that part of the show but go ahead i [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► have follow-up on hdmi-cec your favorite [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► topic [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► oh god oh I your hdmi-cec unicorn are no [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► longer ever since i got the new Apple TV [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► so what was that october november [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► whatever whenever that was my TV is very [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► old [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► it's like a two thousand six ish [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► panasonic plasma the appletv was not [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► able to do anything else to it except [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► any input given the opportunity remote [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► it would automatically switch the input [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► over to the apple TV so it was able to [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► like steal the input the video input [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► from the TV so which is really fun like [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► if it's like playing a game on the [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► playstation and then you like brush the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► remote and all of us on the inputs which [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► is that was fun yet but so that and it [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► couldn't turn the TV on but it could [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► turn the TV off which was really nice [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► every night you know we're not watching [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► TV hold down the home button for a few [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► seconds you put you hit sleep and both [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► things turn off [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it's awesome and that worked flawlessly [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► and now it just doesn't and it's so much [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► worse and I've tried power cycling [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► everything I have no idea what to do [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► like nothing changed [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► it's exactly like what you said it was [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► like you know it'll work and i'll just [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► stop working and you have no idea why [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► and nothing fixes it like it just [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► stopped and uh it's so frustrating now [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► now like once you have that convenience [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► to have to then go back and now I have [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► to turn my TV off separately which means [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► after like have the road out and [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► everything it's uh [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► this is like the worst like first world [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► problem ever but I just wanted you to [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► know John that hdmi-cec that your your [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► your prediction came true that it never [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► it never works all the time for [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► everybody and if it does just wait [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► well the good news is it'll start [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► working again eventually to experience [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► one day because like who knows what [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it'll be like you're disconnected or [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► you'll reconnect something else or just [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it'll start working again I and back [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► when we were discussing this I did hear [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► from a lot of people like CC works fine [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► to me sometimes I would hear from them [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► again a couple months later go it [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► stopped working exactly but not always i [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► bet i like I just like their tactic [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► Wizards their RCC unicorns who just have [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► never had a problem and so like you know [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► if they their luck continues it's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► possible to live a life force easy [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► always works it just seems highly [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► unlikely to me I've never met one of [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► those people i'm sure they exist summer [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► I mean someone's a lottery to write [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► serious ? Oh have you gone into the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► settings to see because I could swear [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► that in settings that has an option [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► whether or not to UCC of course it's not [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► labeled that way but it's like turn off [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► the TV power when this when the appletv [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► power turns off or something like that [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► and not to say that you changed it but [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► maybe like a software update flip that [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► on you or something like that and maybe [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► that's what did it you can you just [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► check to make sure it's plugged in not [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► to say that you unplugged it just maybe [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► take out the plug [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► sometimes sometimes as dust in the plug [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► yeah he just wanted yeah just blow on [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the plug yeah the worst here here i have [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► tried to help you and that's what I get [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► fine i actually haven't checked the set [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► there for the power thing though isn't [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► there I are still in the remote [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► yes yes so you can't you just do you use [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► that for the power like take CC out of [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► the equation just use the IR for the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► power for your TV I don't think there's [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► a way to tell the apple TV like send the [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► IR thing now I think it only works for [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► volume control that's a little too but [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► did might be worth looking into [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► I know Joe steel loves his apple TV can [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► ask him about it i mean honestly like [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► I'm i'm very happy with the apple TV in [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► most other ways like yeah the remote [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► stupid but you know they're like the the [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► software environment [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► yes there are many flaws however having [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► used the other TV boxes that are [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► competing with this and you know even [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► compared to the old Apple [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► TV ice this is still the one I prefer [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► and i still use it for you know very [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► very heavy use everyday and it's [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► unfortunate that it is not perfect of [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► course but nothing ever is that it can't [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► be complained about trying to try [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► yeah also my world i mean you don't know [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► if you remember you see my table with a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► thousand motabhai sec is against my [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► religion [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► I did not have it everywhere and i also [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► have a thousand remotes and I don't have [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► universal remote but here's the thing [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► about thousand marks and never told work [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► and I use the correct remote to do all [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► the things they always work and there [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► never any word interactions and the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► boxes don't know each other exists and [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► that's the way it should be [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► I didn't able it at 1.4 like my entire [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► setup my setup is way too complicated [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► for like I could barely get to work [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► momentarily and like this is this [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► untenable and I would see it break like [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► within minutes because of me not turning [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► things on the right or so i'm really [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► turned it off everywhere with the shame [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► because they're a couple of features [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► features that i would like but i get x [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► pretty well with all my remotes knowing [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► how to do I our stuff so i can do volume [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► up and down the TV and power on the TV [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► from a bunch of different remotes but I [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► are learning is fairly stable technology [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► not like the sea stuff [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► yeah and I'm also a guy i think i'm on [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► your side in regards to the what appears [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► to be your position on universal remotes [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► I we we have a logitech harmony [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► something or other and you know it when [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► we when we bought it a few years ago to [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► try to combat this this issue and i just [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► had never we've never found a universal [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► remote that is what that is actually [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like worth it's actually a net Dean you [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► know like it's almost like like the xkcd [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► comic of like you know all these [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► standards are a mess [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► what we need is a new standard like [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that's kind of what like it's like all I [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► have too many remotes what I need is [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► another remote and then you just have [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► more remotes like and it and you can [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► actually get rid of all the remotes [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► because you still need them sometimes to [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► do certain things and sometimes the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► universal remote like gets like one [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► synced with the state of the things and [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► so it thinks things are in a certain [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► state that they're not in and it's just [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► such a pain and then my mom I remote has [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► firmware that needs to be updated it [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► needs to be on my Wi-Fi network and then [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► it's just like it [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► mr. Payne it's it's such a pain I [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► couldn't agree with that more we had a [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► very old harmony or equivalent I don't [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► know 34 years ago now and I didn't [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► understand how it could possibly work [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► until I realized that it was tracking [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► the state of the system as best it could [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► but just like you said it can't actually [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► know the state of the system so it was [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► constantly losing track of things and it [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► would when it worked it was brilliant [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► but it almost never worked and it was [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► very frustrating and I continue to [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► believe that a good universal remote [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► would actually simplify things [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► especially for the members of my family [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► who are not me but as we discussed at [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► some point about car stuff i'm a climate [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► control a micromanager in the car [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► like I want the individual controls for [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► fan speed and temperature in which [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► direction the air is flowing and I'm [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► exactly the same way with TV i have a [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► million remotes I know what all them do [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► i know which things I want on for which [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► shows at which time depending on my mood [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► and just I you know as to exactly it it [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► feels to me that the part of my brain is [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► activated exactly the same part of my [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► brain is activated by messing with [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► climate controls in car and so I don't [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► pretend this is an optimal setup but it [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► has the advantages of being completely [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► understandable to me and deterministic [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► and I you know I micromanagement I I [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► just you know when do I want the big [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► speakers on your little ones do I want [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► surrounding coding or is this thing [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► stereo and then I want to turn on the [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► dolby digital thing and don't want it [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► down to like the apple TV apps like [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► don't want to use infuse to try to get [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it descended the unmodified DTS and do [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► the decoding on the appletv or do I want [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► to let the imac do it and do it reflects [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and that's that's how i wish it was [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► simple i wish there was one app in one [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► box and one interface and all my stuff [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► was in one place but that's just not the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► case and so since things are in a [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► million other places having a million [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► remotes in a million things to just [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► seems like an honest representation of [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► the reality where the hell my media is [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► and I don't think it's unlearning able [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► think I'm trying to see who was a [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► second-place person in the family who [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► understands the system it's probably one [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► of my kids maybe my youngest I don't [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► know nobody really understands fully [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► except for me which is potentially a [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► problem relation write something down [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► like it hit by a bus here's how to watch [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► and you and make fun of me for about 100 [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► something that was vinyl this is just [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► the interface was like I i I've never [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► bought a universal remote but i assume i [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► assume it would make things easier [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► especially if you have universal remote [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► to turn on CC everywhere then maybe [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► would have a way to detect it could [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► repair see screwed up in this but who [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► knows maybe not have I still do have [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► devices that are I are only ends you [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► have that like ir blaster is another [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► crack like that so you just like it for [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the ceremony it's a terribly inferior [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► standard but you just like it's not it's [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► not about ceremony so just like it's [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► there's no ceremony to micro managing [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► the climate control the cars just like [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► well I know how I want the fan speed and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► I know what I want the temperature set [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► to and I know if I want the coming out [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► the top 10 to the bottom answer both of [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► defroster I know all those things so i [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► can just set him directly [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► I am so happy that I don't stress about [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► those sorts of things you know what I do [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► in my car I hit the auto button and then [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► I usually hit the All button that Marco [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► wishes tips car had and then i set a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► temperature and then I don't friggin [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► think about it anymore [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► it's like the automatic transmission of [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► climate control hey you okay see if you [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► manage it yourself then it would just it [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► would it would feel warmer and less [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► artificial it would remind you of your [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► childhood but this note there is no [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► final analogy to be had here there's [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► absolutely no kind of vinyl whatsoever [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► because it's not like this [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► the dead to the video or sound changes [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► quality depending on what remotes I used [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► to understand this is the violin algae [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► go get thrown out the window you can't [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► even throw back the suspense face to [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► make fun of it makes no sense i can try [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► visiting you know the employee you may [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► not but the emoji of the woman with her [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► arms like an across in front of her face [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► I'm envisioning John doing that sitting [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► in front of his his computer [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► that's exactly what i look like we are [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► sponsored tonight by amazon music now [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► you might not know that if you have an [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► amazon prime subscription to get fast [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► shipping and stuff they have prime music [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► and prime music is Amazon music service [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► that you get unlimited access to over a [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► million songs curated playlists and [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► ad-free stations for all prime members [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► and they have created a little looking [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► like a trial playlist for you to hear [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► yourself you want [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► it's kinda tied into the rest of amazon [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► music so that you can purchase songs [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► individually you can stream for most [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► devices ipads iphones android phones [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► even sonos players of course amazon fire [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► devices and of course amazon echo in [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► fact they've created a cool playlist now [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► if you go to Amazon songs of summer [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► dot-com at amazon songs of summer calm / [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► ATP they've created a playlist called [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► songs of summer and you can go there to [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► hear it or if you have an echo [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► alexa play songs of summer and you'll [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► start hearing it then and what they've [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► done is they've gone out and they have [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► commissioned a whole bunch of artists to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► create critically acclaimed new songs [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► and unique covers of existing hits so [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► they've come for this eclectic playlist [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► of exclusive original songs and covers [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► that love like you know various summer [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► themes and these appeal to a wide [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► audience [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► now this is perfect for summertime [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► listening in fact i listen to it Tiffany [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► listen while you're cooking for dinner [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► tonight because it is summertime I said [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► that to my echo and it started playing [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► and it was great [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► you can check it out to with amazon [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► prime music or just go to that link [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► amazon songs of summer calm / ATP to [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► hear it for yourself if you want to try [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► out amazon prime music nice and easy to [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► do that there to check it out they have [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► a bunch of cool stuff there like I think [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► they have all of weezer which is pretty [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► cool that they have like their entire [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► collection i think and of course you [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► know if you have an echo [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► it's even better and this is this is one [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► of the biggest reasons to get an echo [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► so check it out today go to amazon songs [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► of summer dot-com / ATP to listen to the [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► entire songs of summer playlist [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► thanks a lot to Amazon music for [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► sponsoring our show anyway we talk about [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► email we talk about parenting what do [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► you--what pick your poison [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► oh man that's a tough one we did get a [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► lot of feedback after the legs so at [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► last episode we we kind of joked in the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► after show that if we weren't on the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► topics we're gonna have to talk about [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► those things and then we got a lot of [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► responses from people saying please talk [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► about one or the other of those things [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► and I think if i had to take a guess I [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► think parenting might come out ahead i [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► think so not parenting and specifically [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► screen time for kids that's right yeah [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► very very old piece of followed by and I [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► think that was the one that's in the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► most Americans not like it's not stuff [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► below it but Intel making chips for [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► phones and Chromebooks outselling max [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► and letterpress moving of Game Center [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► there are other things but I feel like I [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► don't feel like we're scraping the [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► bottom of the barrel for this I think [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► this is just a better topic than those [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► other ones both of these I think are [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► better topics the the quite the request [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► was what exactly I let's say Peter [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► Beardsley wrote in we still have this i [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► was joking [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► is he is no longer listening to the show [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► but here and a half ago Peter Beardsley [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► road and he has since retired it no [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► longer even use computers anymore as [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► kids are in college [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► that's very true he had written in and [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► said John has been talking about playing [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► destiny with his kid marco post pictures [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► of him playing games on an iPad the [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► topic of quote-unquote screen time is a [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► controversial one in my household how do [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► you determine what is an appropriate [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► amount my wife has her opinions and I [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► have mine but i'd love to hear yours as [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► well so at this point this is when we [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► really anger anyone who we haven't [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► angered yet in the entire course of the [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► show now my most parents don't get angry [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► like I think most parents are beaten [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► down by reality and actually realize [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► people have the parenting idea so it's a [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► tiny minority of parents that are all [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► high and mighty about was having kids is [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► the best thing to teach you that you [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► don't know the first thing about having [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► kids but what happens after the as for [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► the framing of this topic like it I i [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► don't really and like not that I don't [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► accept the premise but the premise [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► itself it contains some opinionated [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► information which is that screen time in [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► quotes which is a phrase I think we've [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► all heard from either from ourselves [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► saying that other parents and stuff that [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► there is the category of activities that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► your kid can do that involves them [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► looking at a screen which is basically [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► an electric [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► sonic thing that shows moving images on [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► it that that is a valid categorization [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► like we don't talk about yellow sock [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► time how much time you let your kids [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► wear yellow socks how much time to let [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► me touch the floor floor time like its [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► screen time specifically and encoded in [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that is sort of a an unquestioning [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► demonization to some degree of [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► technology in that like why is reading a [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► book not screen time if you read a book [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► on an iPad does it become screen time [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► because it's on a screen like that [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► screens themselves like again I don't [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► think this is it's not it's not like a [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► heavy message but in in this in this [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► word and this phrase in this entire [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► concept in this question that comes up [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the idea of looking at a screen is a [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► fundamental aspect of an activity i'm [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► mostly rejected the book one is the best [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► example because you know these days ago [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► my kids are reading a book it's a [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► wonderful feel great about it but if [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► they're reading that same exact book on [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► their iPad screen suddenly they're [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► writing their brains and they're just [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► gonna become little zombies in there [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► staring at screens all the time [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► same activity but one has a screen one [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► doesn't so at least for me I don't [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► categorize activities based on the piece [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► of technology they're using I would more [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► categorizes like what is the activity [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► are they watching video what kind of [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► video with this fiction and nonfiction [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► you know and sometimes you throw [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► something like oh they're watching [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► YouTube but it's really just shorthand [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► for categorizing the types of things [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► that are on youtube in general they're [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► not watching a feature-length movie on [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► YouTube and mostly not watching like [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► cereal TV show style things on youtube [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► so YouTube was you know as kind of a [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► definition but reading books watching [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► movies many things happen in front of [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► screens writing my daughter writes a lot [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► and you know word processors right [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► section and writes down lists and stuff [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► that's also in front of a screen i [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► categorize that entirely differently [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► than her watching you know ever after [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► high or whatever so that's that's my [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that's my opening statement i guess on [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► screen time and how you guys do that a [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► phrase that is used ever in your house [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► or is that how you think about things at [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► yes some so it's a little bit different [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► for me as compared to you guys because [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► Declan is just today actually 20 months [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► old and so he's not even two years we [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► generally speaking [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► avoided show well he had no interest in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► the TV for a long time and once he [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► started to show an interest we and we [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► avoided having the TV on when he was [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► awake and around that still mostly the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► case we have started or Aaron because [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► i'm at work at the time it has started [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► showing him sesame street every day [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► which he very very much enjoys and then [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► we have my old iPad Mini that we have [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► put a bunch of daniel tiger and sesame [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► street episodes on and we'll use that [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► only in desperation scenarios typically [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► only when we're in the car because he [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► doesn't particularly like the car but [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► other than that we he's very rarely [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► looking at a television screen or an [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► iPad and i'm not saying that that's [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► right but it feels for us like we should [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► probably avoid it at least for now but [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► again it's a little weird because he's [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► only 20 months I mean he doesn't ease [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► into it like Adam more like your kids [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► would be I mean for us you know adam is [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► in my kid is as for and he you know [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► we've we've had we don't really draw the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► distinction we don't we don't use the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► term screen time or any any other a [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► replacement term for that concept and [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► yeah i think it's you know like so many [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► things in parenting it depends on your [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► kid in our case we never like [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► specifically glorified think the screens [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► or maid the maid forbidden thing or [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► thing that was that was saved for like [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► only special occasions [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► you know it's like one toy with many in [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► the house and Adam could choose to play [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► with the ipad or can watch TV for a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► while or he can do other things and we [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► haven't really had to set limits because [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► the kind of kid he is at least so far he [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► treats it like any other toy so I kill [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► will be happy to play with the ipad for [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like you know maybe 20 minutes half hour [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► and then want to do something else and i [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► think that's that's kind of a healthy [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► attitude for it because I mean our [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► philosophy on this you know if it ever [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► came to having to put in any kind of [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► limits in 22 min healthy balances our [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► philosophy is this is a world full of [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► screens that we live in [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► it's only getting more in that direction [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► as we move forward you know [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► time so Adam is growing up in a world [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► full of screens to try to like keep him [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► from that or limit that artificially in [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► a way that would like you know make it [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► weird like to deal with screens for him [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► or two to make it like a rebellion is of [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► sorts or like only a special treat [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► doesn't really seem like that fits into [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► the road we actually live in today you [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► know I I get the idea of why people want [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► to limit that and the end the and what [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► people want their kids to do instead I [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► guess be social or go outside whatever [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► but I think if you're if you already [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► have a reasonable balance and of of [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► activities for your kid having having [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► screens and things for screens be a part [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► of that i don't i don't see it as any [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► different from any other toys that he [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► has so as kids get older like you said [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► it really depends on your kid you the [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► kids will start picking up more of their [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► own interests like this especially young [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► ages you can basically control [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► everything we do you control the toys [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► they play with because you buy the toys [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► you can you can even control by not [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► bringing them down the toilet you don't [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► want them to see the toys that you're [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► not going to buy them like when they're [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► very young you you have a lot of control [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► and so you can sort of provide the [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► balance silly by-product providing a [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► balance of things that you all approve [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► of course kids get older starting minds [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► of their own and depending on your kid [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► they have different you know different [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► preferences and they will gravitate [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► towards something and then no matter [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► what they gravitate towards maintaining [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► what you think is a healthy balance may [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► require some intervention but again i'd [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► say that doesn't specifically apply to [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► screen so for example if your kid starts [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► getting older and becomes really into [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► books and all they want to do all the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► time is go up to the room and read [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► you're like oh I would be overjoyed if [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► my kid read all the time but at a [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► certain point they need to learn how to [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► deal with other people and be social [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► that's part of growing up too so you [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► would may find yourself limiting book [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► time because did you need your kid to [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► socialize with other kids to learn how [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► to deal with other people like you're [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► trying to find the right balance for [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► your kid which the balances in the same [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► for everybody but most people would say [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► like learning to deal with other people [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► is part of growing up and you can't [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► avoid it even if you're really really [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► into whatever is your interest in making [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► models are reading books are all these [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► activities people think like a healthy [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► and you know [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► well that's a good thing to do like [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► that's that's why i hate the screen the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► categorization of screens like they're [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► certain activities are accepted by most [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► parents as on a continuum of evil right [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► so reading is one of the best you can do [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► making models kind of in the middle [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► making models that have electronics [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► maybe getting a little worse [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► anything that involves a television bad [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► anything that involves computers could [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► be good probably also bad video games [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► universally bad right and that that that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► sort of a continuum that we all sort of [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► agreed upon before we begin talking [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► about balance [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► I totally disagree with most of the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► reasons Marco said like we live in a [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► world the screens we live in a world [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► television we live in a world with [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► recorded music like oh don't listen to [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► those direct recorded music it's live [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► music or nothing you'll rot your brain [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► like as not the novel was condemned as [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► something that will be the debt would be [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► the downfall of humanity when it was [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► introduced to sew through the lens of [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► history it's obviously ridiculous to [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► think about things that way but all of [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► those mediums have things that that can [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► provide your kid with something so if [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► your kid is only reading is hard for me [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► to find like it if they're only reading [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the same kind of simple story over and [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► over again they're not really growing as [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► a reader right if they're only watching [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► the same kind of television show over [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► and over again they're not really [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► growing as a viewer of you know of [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► moving pictures or whatever like and if [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► they're only playing the same computer [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► game over and over again they're not [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► expanding outwards into that like that [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► every medium and every form of input an [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► activity has like your kids should be [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► crawling up that ladder and becoming [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► more sophisticated and learning and [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► growing in all the activities that they [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► do and if they're not thats you know [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► something has to be aware but there's [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► nothing inherent I believe in any of the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► specific activities makes them better or [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► worse like I would rather my kids watch [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► a YouTube video like a science youtube [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► video then like read a silly book about [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► fairies and rainbows that is two years [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► below their grade level that they read [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► 50 times before like one of those uses [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► screen and one of them is a book and [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► suppose like the perfect thing we want [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► our children to do but then you can't [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you can view them that way [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► can slap them in by the by the media so [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that's definitely how I look at things [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► and and I but I'm really for my kids [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► mostly looking at what they are drawn to [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and figuring out what I have to put [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► limits on based on what if I didn't put [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► limits they would just do obsessively [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► and it's not always watching television [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► show or play video game it could be any [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► activity they do obsessively one of my [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► kids always wants to go and hang out [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► with friends and my son mostly will stay [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► inside and not see anybody so we're [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► trying to push one out of the house all [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the time and the other one trying to get [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► the calm down a lot so everything is [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► yeah I don't know what we're going to do [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► in the future I think it's funny because [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► i was very resentful of my parents or or [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► extended family putting limits on our [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► screen time like I think mark and I have [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► talked about although maybe it never [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► made it in the show when we were kids we [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► want when we hung out so we are 108 1012 [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► something like that yeah we would meet [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► up and we would hang out and then my [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► grandmother would inevitably or here or [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► marcos momentarily tell us okay you've [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you've played enough on the computer [TS]