The Accidental Tech Podcast

176: Yellow Sock Time


00:00:00   are either of you watching a new top [TS]

00:00:02   gear know what I want to do that so I'm [TS]

00:00:06   just very slowly and I watched episode 2 [TS]

00:00:09   I think i'm on 322 is no good [TS]

00:00:12   three is where it starts to take a turn [TS]

00:00:13   in a good one but two is to is the one [TS]

00:00:15   where they review the big yellow Ferrari [TS]

00:00:17   right I yes I believe that's right away [TS]

00:00:21   and Rose well yeah but this the Epsom [TS]

00:00:23   still no good [TS]

00:00:24   however the 3 through 5 are much [TS]

00:00:28   improved was watching so Marco [TS]

00:00:31   definitely don't even bother with 123 [TS]

00:00:33   5050 i would say yes so 60 40 45 [TS]

00:00:38   definitely if you have time worth [TS]

00:00:40   watching [TS]

00:00:41   I think I'll just start like this season [TS]

00:00:43   this plus 1 and just tell me when that [TS]

00:00:46   Tony that's good parent [TS]

00:00:48   we should probably start with some [TS]

00:00:51   follow-up and is it [TS]

00:00:53   linux or Linus always get it wrong [TS]

00:00:55   Torvalds heads them said some things to [TS]

00:00:57   say to you John of all people about hfs+ [TS]

00:01:00   wasn't to me really this was the thing I [TS]

00:01:03   was looking for a last week I said that [TS]

00:01:05   a contestar walls had said unkind things [TS]

00:01:07   about hfs+ because he had a run-in with [TS]

00:01:10   it as it relates to the good version [TS]

00:01:12   control system and I googled for it and [TS]

00:01:16   I found this exact URL but I mean it's [TS]

00:01:18   like a bear blind is a google plus [TS]

00:01:19   blindness this is a google but all that [TS]

00:01:22   that can't be it i thought he had a blog [TS]

00:01:24   post or something I just ignored this [TS]

00:01:26   this google busing it turns out that his [TS]

00:01:28   little I don't know if this is the [TS]

00:01:30   origin but this is another place where [TS]

00:01:32   he complained about isn't a comment on [TS]

00:01:34   google+ page so it's basically invisible [TS]

00:01:35   as far as the civilized world is [TS]

00:01:37   concerned anyway I think I noticed it [TS]

00:01:40   because I think he did with the [TS]

00:01:41   equivalent of at mentioning me there and [TS]

00:01:43   I probably got some notification and [TS]

00:01:44   google+ back when I was still paying [TS]

00:01:45   attention to google glass and we'll put [TS]

00:01:48   a link in the show notes remember when [TS]

00:01:50   you go to the link [TS]

00:01:50   there's no way to directly link to this [TS]

00:01:52   comment as far as i could tell you just [TS]

00:01:53   have to scroll until you see his name [TS]

00:01:55   and the substance of it doesn't really [TS]

00:01:58   matter that much as we talked about last [TS]

00:01:59   week it's more if you want to see the [TS]

00:02:02   things that people both love and hate [TS]

00:02:04   about the linux kernel and linus [TS]

00:02:08   torvalds and and just those communities [TS]

00:02:11   how he just says everything in sort of a [TS]

00:02:12   rude dismissive way like the HMS pluses [TS]

00:02:15   actively designed to be bad by people [TS]

00:02:19   who thought they had good ideas and they [TS]

00:02:20   should just very pasty eaters and they [TS]

00:02:23   have no idea what they're doing [TS]

00:02:24   it's it's very rude like you can say all [TS]

00:02:27   the same things about being rude and [TS]

00:02:28   that's a topic that's come up a lot and [TS]

00:02:30   open source communities like some people [TS]

00:02:33   enjoy that like drawn to keep it real [TS]

00:02:35   and other people like I don't want to [TS]

00:02:36   hang out with a bunch of people who are [TS]

00:02:38   jerks to each other right can we not [TS]

00:02:39   talk about technical issues without [TS]

00:02:41   calling people names [TS]

00:02:43   i stalled can't that's too bad [TS]

00:02:47   anyway they're so just following up from [TS]

00:02:50   last weekend closing the circle on why [TS]

00:02:52   hfs+ makes people angry and you can see [TS]

00:02:55   it's basically about he really doesn't [TS]

00:02:57   like NFD to do the decomposed normalized [TS]

00:03:00   form from unicode even though address [TS]

00:03:02   what plus doesn't use the exact NFD [TS]

00:03:04   format used actually a variant but he [TS]

00:03:06   really hates that entirely like you [TS]

00:03:08   think that just shouldn't exist and no [TS]

00:03:09   one should ever use it and he doesn't [TS]

00:03:11   like the fact that normalize and he [TS]

00:03:12   doesn't like the fact that this case [TS]

00:03:13   insensitive so he's really got a lot of [TS]

00:03:16   complaints about hfs+ go figure [TS]

00:03:19   but because he liked the king of not [TS]

00:03:21   invented here syndrome not invented here [TS]

00:03:23   is just like he's totally he would i [TS]

00:03:26   would imagine he would be in the camp [TS]

00:03:27   for it's like why the process of doing [TS]

00:03:29   anything to my finally why is it trying [TS]

00:03:31   to do something stupid it should not be [TS]

00:03:33   messing with my file name it should just [TS]

00:03:35   do it should just be simple and then [TS]

00:03:36   unix-like and sort of worse is better [TS]

00:03:39   all of your system call fails just tried [TS]

00:03:41   again you'll get an error code that [TS]

00:03:42   tells you that you better check the area [TS]

00:03:43   code just check it so simple i think [TS]

00:03:45   that's you know it's a bag bites just [TS]

00:03:47   put whatever but you want and you don't [TS]

00:03:48   know what it means your own stupid fault [TS]

00:03:50   now i'm doing my weird pretend my star [TS]

00:03:53   walled voice but that would be my guess [TS]

00:03:55   is that you have a voice but yeah [TS]

00:03:58   philosophically he seems to be in the [TS]

00:04:00   camp that things should be simpler and [TS]

00:04:04   it's kind of a violation of the contract [TS]

00:04:07   for the file system to take your [TS]

00:04:08   filename and do something weird with it [TS]

00:04:10   fair enough tell me about integrity [TS]

00:04:12   checker this is the program I was trying [TS]

00:04:14   to think of the already existing [TS]

00:04:15   long-standing program that will wander [TS]

00:04:18   you get your mac discs and [TS]

00:04:20   write out a bunch check some files and [TS]

00:04:23   then check that your files haven't [TS]

00:04:24   changed its from digital Lloyd tools [TS]

00:04:27   from Mac performance guide will put a [TS]

00:04:31   link in the show notes i believe it's [TS]

00:04:33   sprinkles a bunch of dicey files all [TS]

00:04:36   over your disk a lot of these things [TS]

00:04:37   that you check sums do something like [TS]

00:04:39   this that they'll either want to modify [TS]

00:04:40   your files by adding an extended at read [TS]

00:04:42   although want to sprinkle a bunch of [TS]

00:04:43   files all of your disk with check sums [TS]

00:04:45   in them and there's advantages and [TS]

00:04:47   disadvantages that the advantages that [TS]

00:04:48   you can't lose like all your check sums [TS]

00:04:52   at once like the checksums go along with [TS]

00:04:54   the directory can move the directory to [TS]

00:04:56   check something that goes along with it [TS]

00:04:57   if one of the files gets corrupted you [TS]

00:04:59   don't lose the all your check sums like [TS]

00:05:01   it has advantages over a central [TS]

00:05:02   database but the disadvantage of course [TS]

00:05:04   is that you get a bunch of these little [TS]

00:05:05   turkey file sprinkle over your hard [TS]

00:05:07   drive so you'd be hesitant to point it [TS]

00:05:10   just an arbitrary directory tree because [TS]

00:05:11   you'd be like am I going to make some [TS]

00:05:13   program angry or confused by putting a [TS]

00:05:15   bunch of these files in the directory [TS]

00:05:17   that they don't expect to be there but [TS]

00:05:20   you can check it out it apparently uses [TS]

00:05:22   sha-1 check sums and in my quest to [TS]

00:05:26   remember this this to lots of other [TS]

00:05:28   people sent in other tools saying is [TS]

00:05:30   just one you're thinking of is when [TS]

00:05:31   you're thinking of integrity checker was [TS]

00:05:34   the one I was thinking about a few other [TS]

00:05:35   ones came up [TS]

00:05:36   there's a chick bit which is a a note of [TS]

00:05:41   module that does something similar and [TS]

00:05:43   apparently they ran out of vows so it's [TS]

00:05:45   eh kbit will put a link to that in the [TS]

00:05:47   show notes if you want to use a [TS]

00:05:49   javascript to do you check something I [TS]

00:05:50   hear your snark there [TS]

00:05:52   yeah well it's not bad that is a bunch [TS]

00:05:54   of tools around par to move based on the [TS]

00:05:58   P archive format and party was just a [TS]

00:06:01   second version of it and this is sort of [TS]

00:06:04   a next step up where instead of just [TS]

00:06:06   writing a check sums it will write out [TS]

00:06:08   parody files to correct errors that [TS]

00:06:11   defined so won't just write the check [TS]

00:06:13   something know there's an error to [TS]

00:06:14   essentially do sort of like the same [TS]

00:06:15   thing that like a raid5 does not the [TS]

00:06:18   same algorithm or more fancy algorithms [TS]

00:06:21   for adding parody information so that if [TS]

00:06:23   you do detect some corruption you can [TS]

00:06:25   correct it and you just tell it what [TS]

00:06:27   percentage of your disk space you want [TS]

00:06:28   to dedicate the parity information so [TS]

00:06:30   you could dedicate say five percent of [TS]

00:06:32   of [TS]

00:06:32   the of your disk space like if you have [TS]

00:06:34   a director as a hundred megs you can say [TS]

00:06:35   okay I'm allowing you to use five [TS]

00:06:37   megabytes just or parody information so [TS]

00:06:40   that you can recover from one or two or [TS]

00:06:41   three bit errors or whatever that you [TS]

00:06:43   find in corruption so that's that's [TS]

00:06:44   again it's like a user space version of [TS]

00:06:46   the kind of protection rate might [TS]

00:06:49   provide you or or something like CFS [TS]

00:06:51   with a duplicate the data and duplicate [TS]

00:06:53   the check sums and all that stuff now so [TS]

00:06:55   if you hypothetically have ever found a [TS]

00:06:58   file that's fallen off the back of a [TS]

00:07:00   truck [TS]

00:07:01   you might have seen parts use associated [TS]

00:07:03   with that depending on which truck you [TS]

00:07:05   happen to have found that file on the [TS]

00:07:06   backup for falling off the backup well [TS]

00:07:08   only only if you found it on the back of [TS]

00:07:10   a really old truck he had a very very [TS]

00:07:14   old truck it were talking like model [TS]

00:07:16   Tiero even though those old trucks are [TS]

00:07:18   still running and no one really knows [TS]

00:07:19   about them and it's amazing but yeah [TS]

00:07:21   it's a really old truck ahead it's true [TS]

00:07:24   just talking about pirated files on [TS]

00:07:26   usenet why would they use the use the [TS]

00:07:28   original part of why would they use [TS]

00:07:29   parody information are they trying to I [TS]

00:07:32   know nothing of this John but if I did [TS]

00:07:34   know just know something of this i [TS]

00:07:36   believe its part to me and i believe the [TS]

00:07:38   rationale is suppose you split up your [TS]

00:07:40   file on a whole bunch of little ancient [TS]

00:07:42   trucks you're missing one truck one [TS]

00:07:44   truck didn't make it that you have like [TS]

00:07:46   400 other trucks and you have like two [TS]

00:07:48   part trucks and hearts can replace any [TS]

00:07:53   of the missing other four hundred trucks [TS]

00:07:54   yeah so then you can put back together [TS]

00:07:56   you're really big truck you're trying to [TS]

00:07:58   assemble so you can finally watch the [TS]

00:08:00   new top gear america this is the best i [TS]

00:08:05   love you guys [TS]

00:08:06   alright what is that Tony gray have to [TS]

00:08:08   say and hungry tweeted that he [TS]

00:08:10   apparently is is in the process of [TS]

00:08:13   trying to make ahfs check some utility [TS]

00:08:16   as well so he was when he heard us [TS]

00:08:17   talking about it is like so this is [TS]

00:08:21   again I said it's not a new idea their [TS]

00:08:23   existing applications that do it and [TS]

00:08:25   they're even applications that have not [TS]

00:08:26   given recent release to do it and of [TS]

00:08:29   course all which makes me even less [TS]

00:08:31   inclined even start this project but i [TS]

00:08:33   can tell you that all these different [TS]

00:08:35   tools that i looked at none of them does [TS]

00:08:37   it exactly the way I want [TS]

00:08:38   do it but it doesn't mean i'll ever [TS]

00:08:39   actually find the time to make this [TS]

00:08:41   program will see how is it possible that [TS]

00:08:44   like I'm going to be a mac programmer [TS]

00:08:45   before you are no i-i've good [TS]

00:08:48   programming on the mac toolbox back in [TS]

00:08:51   the day and made a silly little programs [TS]

00:08:53   that did nothing so i think i'd be to do [TS]

00:08:54   it [TS]

00:08:55   you're probably in what elementary [TS]

00:08:56   school anyway yeah most likely [TS]

00:08:58   you haven't seen ya the handle window [TS]

00:08:59   dragging yourself when he didn't get it [TS]

00:09:01   free [TS]

00:09:02   mark what do you want your winner to be [TS]

00:09:04   draggable you better get the dragon vent [TS]

00:09:06   talk about barbera otherwise you'd want [TS]

00:09:09   your application will be a window on the [TS]

00:09:11   screen you couldn't move it grab a towel [TS]

00:09:13   bar and wouldn't rush Mac toolbox yay we [TS]

00:09:17   respond to this week by Casper and [TS]

00:09:19   obsessively engineered mattress and [TS]

00:09:21   shockingly fair price go to Casper calm [TS]

00:09:23   / ATP and use code ATP for fifty dollars [TS]

00:09:27   towards your mattress castro created one [TS]

00:09:30   perfect mattress sold directly to [TS]

00:09:32   consumers eliminating Commission driven [TS]

00:09:34   inflated prices [TS]

00:09:35   its award-winning mattress was developed [TS]

00:09:37   in house with a sleek design and is [TS]

00:09:39   delivered in a remarkably small box you [TS]

00:09:41   can get it up narrow stairs and now in [TS]

00:09:44   addition of the mattress they also offer [TS]

00:09:45   an adaptive pillow and soft breathable [TS]

00:09:48   sheets all from Casper now the mattress [TS]

00:09:50   industry has forced consumers into paint [TS]

00:09:51   aureus lehigh markups Casper is [TS]

00:09:54   revolutionising the industry by cutting [TS]

00:09:55   the cost of dealing with retailers and [TS]

00:09:57   showrooms and pass that savings directly [TS]

00:09:58   onto you and in-house team of engineers [TS]

00:10:01   spent thousands of hours developing the [TS]

00:10:03   Casper mattress it combines springy [TS]

00:10:05   latex and supportive memory foams for [TS]

00:10:08   asleep service with just the right sink [TS]

00:10:09   and just the right bounce and it's [TS]

00:10:11   breathable design sleep school to help [TS]

00:10:14   you regulate your temperature throughout [TS]

00:10:15   the night all this is available for a [TS]

00:10:18   shockingly fair price now good [TS]

00:10:20   mattresses usually cost above $1,500 but [TS]

00:10:23   a caster mattress cost just 544 twin 854 [TS]

00:10:27   Queen 954 king and these even if those [TS]

00:10:31   prices are made in America now Casper [TS]

00:10:34   understands buying a mattress online [TS]

00:10:36   sounds a little bit crazy how do you [TS]

00:10:38   know if you're gonna like it what [TS]

00:10:39   happens if you don't like how do you [TS]

00:10:40   return it how does it deliver so [TS]

00:10:42   delivers as mentioned in a very small [TS]

00:10:44   box you can get it up steps you can move [TS]

00:10:45   in the house it is very small and then [TS]

00:10:47   you open the box and expands outward by [TS]

00:10:49   sucking all the air in the room [TS]

00:10:51   so don't worry there's still some for [TS]

00:10:52   you but it's done it's looking a lot of [TS]

00:10:53   them into that mattress that's a really [TS]

00:10:55   nice compressed box and free delivery [TS]

00:10:58   you want that you don't pay for that [TS]

00:10:59   amazing little box or the delivery and [TS]

00:11:02   you sleep on it for a hundred knights [TS]

00:11:04   and if you don't like it you call them [TS]

00:11:06   up and they will pick it up at your [TS]

00:11:09   house and give you a full refund [TS]

00:11:11   it's a hundred knight risk-free trial [TS]

00:11:13   period and a free painless return if you [TS]

00:11:16   need it [TS]

00:11:17   they understand the importance of [TS]

00:11:18   actually sleeping on a mattress before [TS]

00:11:20   you commit especially continue going to [TS]

00:11:21   be spending a third of your life on it [TS]

00:11:23   so try today go to castro calm / ATP to [TS]

00:11:27   try the casper mattresses for a hundred [TS]

00:11:29   Knights risk-free in your own home sleep [TS]

00:11:31   on it for over three months free [TS]

00:11:33   delivery free returns with home pick up [TS]

00:11:36   once again go to Casper calm / ATP and [TS]

00:11:38   use code ATP for fifty dollars towards [TS]

00:11:41   your mattress thanks to capture for [TS]

00:11:42   sponsoring our show [TS]

00:11:43   ah alright kids we did not cover all of [TS]

00:11:49   the Apple platform filesystem no stop [TS]

00:11:53   saying platformers Apple file says them [TS]

00:11:54   why is that why is that still alive [TS]

00:11:56   because there's a pee in there it's at [TS]

00:11:58   Paul a mac OS a nap pool file system [TS]

00:12:02   Nicolas Cage come on you don't you don't [TS]

00:12:06   get that don't pretend you get that [TS]

00:12:07   anyway tell me about space sharing John [TS]

00:12:09   while we talk about these last remaining [TS]

00:12:11   a PFS topics you guys to think of some [TS]

00:12:13   of us the show otherwise we're going to [TS]

00:12:15   do how to handle email or screen time [TS]

00:12:17   for kids we can talk about top here some [TS]

00:12:19   more that just I think we did actually [TS]

00:12:21   talk about these in a post deputies you [TS]

00:12:22   think I thought about them a little bit [TS]

00:12:24   more space sharing is the first one [TS]

00:12:27   where I forget the terminology like a [TS]

00:12:30   container for a PFS then you can put a [TS]

00:12:32   bunch of different volumes in it but you [TS]

00:12:33   don't have to partition it just make one [TS]

00:12:36   big giant container and then you can [TS]

00:12:38   make as many volumes as you want and [TS]

00:12:39   every single volume seize the entire [TS]

00:12:41   size of the container which seems weird [TS]

00:12:45   but it's it's great so you don't have to [TS]

00:12:48   do that you know in your experiment [TS]

00:12:49   still think of how big should i make the [TS]

00:12:51   user partition how big their make the / [TS]

00:12:53   partition you don't have to think ahead [TS]

00:12:55   of time about how much room something is [TS]

00:12:58   going to take up if you have a large [TS]

00:12:59   volume you want to divide up between [TS]

00:13:01   multiple uses you [TS]

00:13:04   just let them go at it and they will [TS]

00:13:05   find their natural equilibrium or one of [TS]

00:13:07   the mold grow too fast you'll be [TS]

00:13:08   disappointed you wish you could [TS]

00:13:09   partition it but I think you'll still be [TS]

00:13:11   able to make multiple containers like [TS]

00:13:12   old style partitions I'm tried it anyway [TS]

00:13:16   that's interesting from a UI perspective [TS]

00:13:19   because got the same problems drobo had [TS]

00:13:21   like Woodrow would show you how much [TS]

00:13:23   space would show much larger amount of [TS]

00:13:25   space that was actually available like [TS]

00:13:27   to for example the time machine if you [TS]

00:13:28   doing time machine to a drobo and as [TS]

00:13:30   time machine ran eventually you know the [TS]

00:13:32   driver would just run out of space but [TS]

00:13:33   time machine can't predict that because [TS]

00:13:34   i can't really get an accurate read on [TS]

00:13:35   how much space there really is because [TS]

00:13:37   of the similar space sharing type thing [TS]

00:13:39   that was a multi-disc situation but [TS]

00:13:40   anyway I don't know how you show space [TS]

00:13:44   sharing to the user you just show them [TS]

00:13:45   and I'm assuming like oh I've got one [TS]

00:13:48   terabyte drive with three volumes on it [TS]

00:13:49   3 1 terabyte volumes and if you get info [TS]

00:13:51   on each of those three volumes they also [TS]

00:13:53   yep I'm am one terabyte volume and I [TS]

00:13:55   have this much free I don't know you can [TS]

00:13:59   show that in a sensible way but i'm glad [TS]

00:14:00   the future exists because i like the [TS]

00:14:02   idea of not having to think about it [TS]

00:14:03   ahead of time and make fixed-size [TS]

00:14:06   partitions although I'm not sure that's [TS]

00:14:07   the thing people do anymore d the [TS]

00:14:09   morning you have any of your disk [TS]

00:14:10   partition or do you have more than one [TS]

00:14:12   disk i do have more than one disk i [TS]

00:14:14   don't have the partition at all and i [TS]

00:14:16   think one way you can do this maybe is [TS]

00:14:19   with the with network drives at least [TS]

00:14:21   they have the quota system but this is [TS]

00:14:23   how this is how technologies time [TS]

00:14:25   machine hosting module works where and I [TS]

00:14:29   should point out again i think i've said [TS]

00:14:30   this before but I've done many different [TS]

00:14:32   ways of time machine backup from direct [TS]

00:14:34   attacks discs to a mac mini server [TS]

00:14:36   running OS 10 server with Time Machine [TS]

00:14:38   server on that to this analogy thing [TS]

00:14:41   I've never used a time capsule but [TS]

00:14:43   otherwise everything else I've done and [TS]

00:14:45   the the synology system is by far the [TS]

00:14:49   most reliable with time machine I've [TS]

00:14:50   never had to like format the whole [TS]

00:14:52   partition and start again because time [TS]

00:14:54   machine kept thinking it was full look [TS]

00:14:56   at that happened with literally every [TS]

00:14:57   other method tried never happened with [TS]

00:14:59   the synology one and what i have is but [TS]

00:15:02   what seems like a pretty complex setup [TS]

00:15:03   which is a single i believe a terabyte [TS]

00:15:06   volume that is split between me and tiff [TS]

00:15:10   and each of us connect to it with a [TS]

00:15:11   different username and each user name [TS]

00:15:13   has a 50-percent space quota on that [TS]

00:15:15   volume [TS]

00:15:16   and we both Phillip or become very close [TS]

00:15:19   to filling it much of the time and it's [TS]

00:15:22   fine like it has never aired out time [TS]

00:15:25   machine always keep up-to-date so you [TS]

00:15:27   know what I do this is a complete [TS]

00:15:28   diversion but huge recommendation for [TS]

00:15:31   using the time machine thing on [TS]

00:15:32   technologies because it's amazing [TS]

00:15:34   although one better i have the same i [TS]

00:15:36   have not a single but i have a time [TS]

00:15:38   machine volume and I think Sal channel [TS]

00:15:40   if you have one time machine volume i [TS]

00:15:41   think that's actually like a rate a raid [TS]

00:15:43   set at this point because it's bigger [TS]

00:15:44   than any one of my single discs and i [TS]

00:15:47   have three or four different computers [TS]

00:15:50   back after time machine and I'll do [TS]

00:15:51   anything with quotas I just let them run [TS]

00:15:53   interesting they just kind of fight it [TS]

00:15:55   out [TS]

00:15:55   I don't know what they're doing all i [TS]

00:15:57   know is it never bothers me the backup [TS]

00:15:58   is complete successfully you can recover [TS]

00:16:00   files from it [TS]

00:16:01   I I think they just you know when one of [TS]

00:16:03   them sees that the thing is filling the [TS]

00:16:04   trim they're all backups you know like [TS]

00:16:06   it's as far as I'm concerned it's magic [TS]

00:16:09   yes I don't do anything with the quotas [TS]

00:16:10   it's a free-for-all it's just like [TS]

00:16:11   whoever whichever time machine backup in [TS]

00:16:14   the pit getting close to the end of the [TS]

00:16:15   disk it says it's time for me to trim [TS]

00:16:17   some all backups and it does that it's [TS]

00:16:19   cooperative time machining nice yeah i [TS]

00:16:23   would i would double down what you guys [TS]

00:16:25   said as well i have to physical disks [TS]

00:16:27   that are joined in whatever the raid is [TS]

00:16:29   that is non redundant because it's 0 [TS]

00:16:32   yep and so so i have two discs joined [TS]

00:16:35   raid0 yeah i do the quota thing that [TS]

00:16:37   Marcos talking about i have yet to have [TS]

00:16:39   an issue outside of a disk failure which [TS]

00:16:42   is beyond serologies control but not [TS]

00:16:44   it's worked really well for me [TS]

00:16:46   well how did we get on this subject [TS]

00:16:47   weirdo Johnny asked if we partition [TS]

00:16:49   stuff i have not partitioned any mac of [TS]

00:16:53   owned ever to the best of my [TS]

00:16:55   recollection I've never done even boot [TS]

00:16:58   camp which you would think i would have [TS]

00:16:59   given my prior profession but I always [TS]

00:17:01   just used the m's I used to aggressively [TS]

00:17:04   partition my my actual physical windows [TS]

00:17:07   machines in the past i remember since [TS]

00:17:10   ever I would have liked my OS drive and [TS]

00:17:12   then my like data drive and then [TS]

00:17:14   applications drive thinking that if I [TS]

00:17:17   ever wanted to put on a different OS [TS]

00:17:18   like a new version windows whatever then [TS]

00:17:20   all that other stuff could just remain [TS]

00:17:21   where it was and in reality that has [TS]

00:17:24   never been the case ever ever ever [TS]

00:17:26   ever yeah i mean with Windows I would do [TS]

00:17:28   the same thing because if your windows [TS]

00:17:30   power user you you get into the habit of [TS]

00:17:33   like just maybe once a year just [TS]

00:17:35   reformat your system drive and put it [TS]

00:17:37   all back and start start clean because [TS]

00:17:38   with Windows you basically have to do [TS]

00:17:41   that to have a welcoming system and once [TS]

00:17:43   I moved to max I i think i've done that [TS]

00:17:45   literally like since the time I started [TS]

00:17:47   using Mac's in 2004 i think i started [TS]

00:17:51   clean twice in an entire time [TS]

00:17:54   yeah i think my first time since 08 was [TS]

00:17:57   when I got the imac and then I was much [TS]

00:18:00   more piecemeal about it rather than just [TS]

00:18:01   transferring everything but let you know [TS]

00:18:03   they doing that migration system style [TS]

00:18:05   thing but anyway yeah so that was an [TS]

00:18:08   extraordinarily long answer the question [TS]

00:18:10   John asked which ones do you guys [TS]

00:18:11   partition your drives and john i'm [TS]

00:18:13   assuming use you you did so you do or [TS]

00:18:15   you you're going to say you do I assume [TS]

00:18:17   yeah I do I'm not my main drive but i [TS]

00:18:20   have somebody drive to accept this [TS]

00:18:21   they're all split up into little pieces [TS]

00:18:22   mostly because the drives are so big [TS]

00:18:24   it'd be a waste to dedicate think I'm [TS]

00:18:26   not gonna dedicate one terabyte boot [TS]

00:18:28   camp right so that drivers split up and [TS]

00:18:30   other drives like I just divided into [TS]

00:18:32   two pieces and it i I've never done a [TS]

00:18:35   separate user directory a lot of people [TS]

00:18:37   do that like they have their home [TS]

00:18:38   directory and all their files on [TS]

00:18:39   onedrive and then like basically a boot [TS]

00:18:41   drive with the OS on it in their [TS]

00:18:44   applications and I never quite [TS]

00:18:45   understood that split and any time I [TS]

00:18:47   ever try to spell like that back in the [TS]

00:18:48   old days very tiny hard drives [TS]

00:18:50   I always got it wrong like you try to [TS]

00:18:52   guess how big everything is and give [TS]

00:18:53   room for growth and if you guess wrong [TS]

00:18:56   on the operating system is like you know [TS]

00:18:57   system 7.5 point 5 comes out and it's a [TS]

00:19:01   little bit bigger and you know just it's [TS]

00:19:03   so easy to get that messed up so i i'm i [TS]

00:19:07   think i will use something like this [TS]

00:19:08   because i have things partition now and [TS]

00:19:10   I realize if I ever got close to you [TS]

00:19:12   know my space constraints i would have [TS]

00:19:14   all this wasted space and you can resize [TS]

00:19:15   partitions to some degree but it's not [TS]

00:19:17   as flexible as you want so i think i [TS]

00:19:19   will use spacefaring I won't be confused [TS]

00:19:20   by the size stuff and I suppose other [TS]

00:19:24   people normal people who would be [TS]

00:19:25   computed just never partition anything [TS]

00:19:26   so maybe it's a non-issue [TS]

00:19:28   but speaking of time machine that's [TS]

00:19:30   doesn't aps thing related that first of [TS]

00:19:32   all you can use time machine with a BFS [TS]

00:19:33   right now but that's obviously a [TS]

00:19:34   temporary condition a PFS doesn't [TS]

00:19:37   provide any [TS]

00:19:38   particular new features that make it [TS]

00:19:40   easier for you to answer the question [TS]

00:19:43   hey what's happened since the last time [TS]

00:19:45   I ran a backup in a little bit like it's [TS]

00:19:48   basically still going to have to use [TS]

00:19:49   something like as events where any i/o [TS]

00:19:52   that goes through the colonel is logged [TS]

00:19:54   in some fashion and then you can find [TS]

00:19:55   out what has changed since the last time [TS]

00:19:57   you ran I and you probably the same API [TS]

00:20:00   is put in a similar fashion so it [TS]

00:20:01   doesn't have something like CFS is a [TS]

00:20:03   give me the block tips since last time [TS]

00:20:05   and even if it had that even though the [TS]

00:20:07   super-efficient doesn't quite work with [TS]

00:20:09   time machines you why because time you [TS]

00:20:10   want to exclude things and if you do [TS]

00:20:12   anything at the block level you don't [TS]

00:20:13   you can't be excluding as easily as you [TS]

00:20:16   know based on file path or whatever so [TS]

00:20:19   AP US doesn't give any advantages time [TS]

00:20:21   machine in terms of that kind of [TS]

00:20:23   efficiency but it does give lots of [TS]

00:20:24   advantages in terms of making a [TS]

00:20:27   consistent backup we talked about this [TS]

00:20:28   before and every researcher with [TS]

00:20:30   snapshots where time machine can take a [TS]

00:20:33   snapshot of the drive as exists in a [TS]

00:20:35   certain state and then just slowly back [TS]

00:20:36   up front from that snapshot so it won't [TS]

00:20:39   have to worry about like time machine [TS]

00:20:40   ran for three hours and it's the run [TS]

00:20:43   started backing up backed up these files [TS]

00:20:45   but these files at backup three hours [TS]

00:20:47   later so you have this weird mixture of [TS]

00:20:49   different time periods and then it's [TS]

00:20:51   like painting the golden gate bridge or [TS]

00:20:52   whatever you got to go back to the [TS]

00:20:53   beginning and find any towels to change [TS]

00:20:55   you [TS]

00:20:55   you're waiting for this period this sort [TS]

00:20:57   of period of quiet when things have [TS]

00:20:58   settled down [TS]

00:20:59   don't worry about that was not just take [TS]

00:21:00   a snapshot backup from their destroy the [TS]

00:21:02   snapshot when you're done that will be [TS]

00:21:04   great and also for the purpose of this [TS]

00:21:09   is the next thing for the purpose of [TS]

00:21:10   making multiple backups where the files [TS]

00:21:14   that haven't changed the same sort of [TS]

00:21:15   the time machine models you can go to [TS]

00:21:16   the finder and browse your backups and [TS]

00:21:18   they all look like complete copies of [TS]

00:21:20   your data but of course they're not [TS]

00:21:21   storing the unchanged data multiple [TS]

00:21:23   times using hard links so hard links to [TS]

00:21:25   files and harlington directories but [TS]

00:21:27   you're gross and weird [TS]

00:21:28   you don't have to have those anymore [TS]

00:21:29   because of the the copyright stuff that [TS]

00:21:32   a PFS has and you can do clones where [TS]

00:21:35   you can clone an entire directory and so [TS]

00:21:38   this entire directory tree make a copy [TS]

00:21:40   of it but not really like it you can do [TS]

00:21:42   it like basically in constant time [TS]

00:21:43   you're not actually copying everything [TS]

00:21:45   you just saying now there are two of [TS]

00:21:46   these and they are independent copies if [TS]

00:21:47   you would go into the copy and modify a [TS]

00:21:49   file you're not modifying the file in [TS]

00:21:51   both places like you would [TS]

00:21:52   with a hard link or something it's [TS]

00:21:54   copy-on-write so as soon as you modify [TS]

00:21:55   one of the change files then they start [TS]

00:21:57   to diverge but the actual copy operation [TS]

00:21:59   is just a clone operation it'sit's very [TS]

00:22:02   very fast one of the demos they did in [TS]

00:22:03   the wwc session something that some [TS]

00:22:07   people paranoid because they're like [TS]

00:22:08   well frequently when I'm working on [TS]

00:22:10   something i'll go to the finder and like [TS]

00:22:11   duplicate it and like put the other one [TS]

00:22:13   off to the side like poor man's version [TS]

00:22:15   control you ever do that where you just [TS]

00:22:16   make a copy of a folder just in case and [TS]

00:22:18   put to the side all the time and it's [TS]

00:22:21   like well but but sometimes i do that [TS]

00:22:23   like what if one of the things gets [TS]

00:22:24   corrupted this is a bad sector on disk [TS]

00:22:25   well if my clone is an actual clone the [TS]

00:22:29   bad sector and disc is going to blow [TS]

00:22:30   away both of them are you know corrupt [TS]

00:22:32   both of them because they're they share [TS]

00:22:33   the same storage under the covers well [TS]

00:22:35   if US doesn't dictate that every single [TS]

00:22:38   copy is a clone [TS]

00:22:39   there'll be two different API is I'm not [TS]

00:22:40   sure which one the finder will use i'm [TS]

00:22:42   assuming you will use the fast one [TS]

00:22:44   but even the finer doesn't offer this [TS]

00:22:47   feature there will be a way I'm sure [TS]

00:22:49   from the command line but if not you [TS]

00:22:50   write a program to be no dude like a [TS]

00:22:52   regular copy where you just copied don't [TS]

00:22:54   do the clone thing so that's another you [TS]

00:22:57   I nuance that Apple have to decide how [TS]

00:23:00   to navigate in the users we got to take [TS]

00:23:02   advantage of and honestly I think it I [TS]

00:23:03   think it's good that both feature [TS]

00:23:04   sometimes i do want to make a clone of [TS]

00:23:07   this gigantic directory tree for free in [TS]

00:23:10   constant time and other times i want to [TS]

00:23:12   say no actually copy every single one of [TS]

00:23:14   this piece of data to a new play some [TS]

00:23:15   disc because that's what i want and i [TS]

00:23:18   look forward to hopefully it's like a [TS]

00:23:20   modifier key you can hold down or [TS]

00:23:21   something I look forward the that being [TS]

00:23:23   exposed in the finder but I'm resigned [TS]

00:23:25   to the fact that probably end up having [TS]

00:23:26   to do it from the command line and the [TS]

00:23:28   other fun thing about clones this is [TS]

00:23:30   sort of travel purposes again this whole [TS]

00:23:32   this whole file systems problems [TS]

00:23:34   purposes is that it can be atomic Apple [TS]

00:23:37   has a lot of things in the system [TS]

00:23:39   including some file formats [TS]

00:23:40   quote-unquote file formats that are [TS]

00:23:41   actually directories full of files like [TS]

00:23:43   dot RTF d is actually a directory full [TS]

00:23:46   of a bunch of other things and in a [TS]

00:23:49   simple application like USA teach text [TS]

00:23:52   geez what the hell's a call text edit [TS]

00:23:55   yeah i'm not going to text that it can [TS]

00:23:58   make our tfd quorum court files which [TS]

00:24:00   are really directory trees and when you [TS]

00:24:03   save it's trying to do like a safe save [TS]

00:24:05   where [TS]

00:24:05   if the the plug gets pulled in the [TS]

00:24:07   middle of your save operation you either [TS]

00:24:08   have the new version of the file the old [TS]

00:24:10   version you don't have like half and [TS]

00:24:11   half so the atomic save operation now [TS]

00:24:14   will do like this is also in the the WV [TS]

00:24:17   session if i recall correctly it will [TS]

00:24:20   like write the new version of the file [TS]

00:24:22   to a new location rename the old one-two [TS]

00:24:24   a weird name and rename the new [TS]

00:24:26   directory on top of the old one but [TS]

00:24:28   there's still a period in which things [TS]

00:24:29   are inconsistent when you rename the old [TS]

00:24:31   one-two to a new name but you haven't [TS]

00:24:33   yet renamed the new one on top of it now [TS]

00:24:35   you have two files neither which is [TS]

00:24:36   named like the old one and they might [TS]

00:24:38   both be hidden because you don't want [TS]

00:24:39   people to see this weird stuff going on [TS]

00:24:41   so it's not great a PFS you can do an [TS]

00:24:45   atomic loan and so you can sort of her [TS]

00:24:48   in one operation one atomic operation to [TS]

00:24:51   completely do it completely not do it [TS]

00:24:52   you have the old file you have the new [TS]

00:24:54   file and of course it's superficial and [TS]

00:24:56   all the stuff so that's that's going to [TS]

00:24:59   mean it's gonna be four people writing [TS]

00:25:00   applications that they have similar file [TS]

00:25:02   formats it'll make those file formats [TS]

00:25:03   more tenable because before was just [TS]

00:25:05   kind of such a pain and you knew you had [TS]

00:25:06   this race condition where things could [TS]

00:25:07   be a weird weird state for a small [TS]

00:25:10   period of time you can even see the [TS]

00:25:11   finder sometimes because the finders now [TS]

00:25:13   actually reactive to changes where if [TS]

00:25:15   you watched when like text that saved [TS]

00:25:17   you'd see these weird temporary files [TS]

00:25:19   and a double file and rename on top of [TS]

00:25:21   the other one and with cloning hopefully [TS]

00:25:22   that will go so fast that you don't see [TS]

00:25:24   it anymore [TS]

00:25:24   yeah my favorite is since I've been [TS]

00:25:26   doing a lot of switch development lately [TS]

00:25:28   I just like Marco I've had a playground [TS]

00:25:30   on my desktop and every time that the [TS]

00:25:33   playground goes to save itself or if I [TS]

00:25:35   save it it'll flash from the playground [TS]

00:25:37   icon to the jit the gym generic folder [TS]

00:25:40   icon and then back to the playground [TS]

00:25:42   icon once finder catches up and realizes [TS]

00:25:44   it's one of those like bundles is [TS]

00:25:46   actually remember my future came to the [TS]

00:25:48   fire like having having an efficient way [TS]

00:25:50   to sort of tell the colonel hey I'm [TS]

00:25:52   interested if anything happens to anyone [TS]

00:25:54   of these files of anything changes one [TS]

00:25:56   of these files I don't care what process [TS]

00:25:58   it is analysis then let me know so i [TS]

00:26:00   have to pull like the old model was like [TS]

00:26:02   if you had a finder window open other [TS]

00:26:04   applications were changing its like the [TS]

00:26:05   Finder window periodically and it was [TS]

00:26:07   pulling you would never catch changes [TS]

00:26:08   that fast but because it's using KQ or [TS]

00:26:11   FS events or some other system that is [TS]

00:26:13   you know that's not pulling that the [TS]

00:26:15   colonel will notify the finder [TS]

00:26:17   it's fast enough to catch almost any [TS]

00:26:19   changes that might still catch the clone [TS]

00:26:21   but hopefully it will only like flash [TS]

00:26:24   briefly and you'll see the old file and [TS]

00:26:26   then blink in the new file and never [TS]

00:26:27   will you see the the weird [TS]

00:26:29   I've rename this to not be an RTF d [TS]

00:26:31   anymore or not it not be a playground [TS]

00:26:33   anymore or whatever i guess the final [TS]

00:26:36   item of snapshots we talked about [TS]

00:26:38   I wonder if there'll be any UI to that [TS]

00:26:40   probably not because it's more like a [TS]

00:26:42   programmatic thing time machine will be [TS]

00:26:43   will be creating the leading snapshots [TS]

00:26:45   behind the scenes but you don't need to [TS]

00:26:46   see that programs like SuperDuper might [TS]

00:26:49   create snapshots to to backup from but [TS]

00:26:50   you don't need to see that either it'll [TS]

00:26:51   probably do it through an API there will [TS]

00:26:53   be a command line i'm sure i can't [TS]

00:26:55   envision any particular reason for their [TS]

00:26:58   to ever be a GUI for doing snapshot so I [TS]

00:27:01   guess another third-party opportunity [TS]

00:27:02   because it's a straightforward API you [TS]

00:27:05   can make a cool third-party thing that [TS]

00:27:06   lets you view and create and destroy [TS]

00:27:11   snapshots I'm not making that up another [TS]

00:27:14   idea for people who want to make an [TS]

00:27:15   application that three people will buy [TS]

00:27:17   you know John there's a lot of app ideas [TS]

00:27:20   that I'm like you know I would love for [TS]

00:27:22   this app to exist and you look around [TS]

00:27:24   and just doesn't exist and at some point [TS]

00:27:28   you got you know you're a programmer [TS]

00:27:29   some point you gotta be like you know [TS]

00:27:30   what i find i'm gonna make it [TS]

00:27:32   well I i imagine someone will make [TS]

00:27:35   that's not something like that you ever [TS]

00:27:36   see like backup loop or the time machine [TS]

00:27:38   browsing things let you like look at [TS]

00:27:40   your time machine backup set or like [TS]

00:27:42   their fancy interfaces to the TAMU tail [TS]

00:27:44   command line there's lots of google apps [TS]

00:27:46   like that i'm sure someone will make one [TS]

00:27:47   just because if an app like this is easy [TS]

00:27:49   to make all you're doing is making it [TS]

00:27:51   more convenient to do stuff that you [TS]

00:27:53   could do from the command line someone [TS]

00:27:54   will make it so I feel like just by [TS]

00:27:56   talking about it will it will come into [TS]

00:27:57   existence [TS]

00:27:58   yeah but you know what else though even [TS]

00:28:01   if somebody makes it they're not going [TS]

00:28:03   to make it your way [TS]

00:28:04   truth that's true so you have to do it [TS]

00:28:07   John it's obvious [TS]

00:28:08   I'll say I I don't understand why when I [TS]

00:28:11   would do any of these things like it's [TS]

00:28:13   not like I have a lot of a time that's a [TS]

00:28:15   knock your pipe with other stuff that i [TS]

00:28:17   would rather be doing Brian ash the [TS]

00:28:20   chapters made an excellent point he said [TS]

00:28:22   that underscores listening and he just [TS]

00:28:24   completed it which is probably accurate [TS]

00:28:26   but he made the iOS version sauce [TS]

00:28:29   good for me fair enough [TS]

00:28:32   all right are we done with a PFS is that [TS]

00:28:35   it yeah i think so like this we just do [TS]

00:28:37   things we already talked about the WTC [TS]

00:28:38   thing I don't think there's anything new [TS]

00:28:40   we didn't have many questions from [TS]

00:28:42   listeners about itself although i did no [TS]

00:28:45   one has yet called me on the the [TS]

00:28:47   mistakes i made about a ascii 7-bit [TS]

00:28:50   ascii versus a bit ascii and utf-8 but i [TS]

00:28:54   guess no one cares that's why I know I [TS]

00:28:57   made the mistakes people who no no I [TS]

00:28:58   made the mistakes is it really not [TS]

00:29:00   mistakes just their errors of omission [TS]

00:29:01   because doesn't make any sense I kept [TS]

00:29:03   saying to 55 but obviously if you're [TS]

00:29:05   going to use all 255 combinations of a [TS]

00:29:09   bits you have no way to implement utf-8 [TS]

00:29:11   and that's obviously not how it works [TS]

00:29:13   so anyway we're sponsor this week by [TS]

00:29:17   Harry's now Harry's is the only shaving [TS]

00:29:20   company that has amazing quality low [TS]

00:29:22   prices and modern convenience they sell [TS]

00:29:24   razors and blades and you look at this [TS]

00:29:26   stuff and it's great they recently sent [TS]

00:29:28   me one of their newest kits like they [TS]

00:29:29   say seasonally update their designs and [TS]

00:29:32   stuff sometimes I like a special and [TS]

00:29:33   they sent me some of their new stuff and [TS]

00:29:35   this just this stuff to keep getting [TS]

00:29:37   better and better at the handle is I got [TS]

00:29:39   that that orange i believe the Truman [TS]

00:29:41   set that the orange big on channel one [TS]

00:29:43   and its like before at the silver one [TS]

00:29:46   and they're both so nice like it's [TS]

00:29:47   almost like actually seasonal cycle my [TS]

00:29:50   razor handle these things are so nice [TS]

00:29:52   they're classy looking they're nice and [TS]

00:29:54   it's almost like a like a modern take on [TS]

00:29:57   like madmen kind of aesthetic almost [TS]

00:29:59   like mid-century but updated modern look [TS]

00:30:02   for this stuff and this is such sharp [TS]

00:30:03   such stark contrast to what you usually [TS]

00:30:06   see in shaving equipment design from the [TS]

00:30:09   big brands which is why I often describe [TS]

00:30:12   it as like android commercial design or [TS]

00:30:15   like weird like transformers but Harry's [TS]

00:30:20   is not like that hair is nice and classy [TS]

00:30:22   and the hairies blades are such good [TS]

00:30:25   values i have not found a better value [TS]

00:30:28   in the shaving world than the hairies [TS]

00:30:29   blade so these are german-engineered [TS]

00:30:31   five blade cartridges now you've seen [TS]

00:30:34   five blade cartridges from other big [TS]

00:30:36   brands Harry's is about half the price [TS]

00:30:39   or less of these leading brands the [TS]

00:30:42   starter set is an amazing [TS]

00:30:43   deal also for just fifteen dollars you [TS]

00:30:45   get a razor handle moisturizing shave [TS]

00:30:47   cream and three razor blade cartridges [TS]

00:30:49   so check it out today go to Harry's [TS]

00:30:52   dot-com right now [TS]

00:30:53   har ry s.com if you use code ATP at [TS]

00:30:58   checkout you'll get five dollars off [TS]

00:30:59   your first order once again harrods.com [TS]

00:31:01   code ATP for five dollars off your first [TS]

00:31:04   order you will not believe the quality [TS]

00:31:06   you get for the price and quality is [TS]

00:31:09   guaranteed full refund if you're not [TS]

00:31:10   happy [TS]

00:31:11   check it out today harrods.com promo [TS]

00:31:13   code 84 five dollars off thanks a lot i [TS]

00:31:19   have some important follow-up actually [TS]

00:31:22   that surprise follow-up that you missed [TS]

00:31:24   that part of the show but go ahead i [TS]

00:31:27   have follow-up on hdmi-cec your favorite [TS]

00:31:31   topic [TS]

00:31:32   oh god oh I your hdmi-cec unicorn are no [TS]

00:31:36   longer ever since i got the new Apple TV [TS]

00:31:38   so what was that october november [TS]

00:31:40   whatever whenever that was my TV is very [TS]

00:31:43   old [TS]

00:31:43   it's like a two thousand six ish [TS]

00:31:46   panasonic plasma the appletv was not [TS]

00:31:48   able to do anything else to it except [TS]

00:31:50   any input given the opportunity remote [TS]

00:31:53   it would automatically switch the input [TS]

00:31:56   over to the apple TV so it was able to [TS]

00:31:58   like steal the input the video input [TS]

00:31:59   from the TV so which is really fun like [TS]

00:32:01   if it's like playing a game on the [TS]

00:32:02   playstation and then you like brush the [TS]

00:32:04   remote and all of us on the inputs which [TS]

00:32:06   is that was fun yet but so that and it [TS]

00:32:08   couldn't turn the TV on but it could [TS]

00:32:10   turn the TV off which was really nice [TS]

00:32:13   every night you know we're not watching [TS]

00:32:15   TV hold down the home button for a few [TS]

00:32:17   seconds you put you hit sleep and both [TS]

00:32:19   things turn off [TS]

00:32:20   it's awesome and that worked flawlessly [TS]

00:32:23   and now it just doesn't and it's so much [TS]

00:32:27   worse and I've tried power cycling [TS]

00:32:29   everything I have no idea what to do [TS]

00:32:32   like nothing changed [TS]

00:32:34   it's exactly like what you said it was [TS]

00:32:35   like you know it'll work and i'll just [TS]

00:32:37   stop working and you have no idea why [TS]

00:32:39   and nothing fixes it like it just [TS]

00:32:42   stopped and uh it's so frustrating now [TS]

00:32:45   now like once you have that convenience [TS]

00:32:47   to have to then go back and now I have [TS]

00:32:49   to turn my TV off separately which means [TS]

00:32:51   after like have the road out and [TS]

00:32:53   everything it's uh [TS]

00:32:54   this is like the worst like first world [TS]

00:32:57   problem ever but I just wanted you to [TS]

00:32:59   know John that hdmi-cec that your your [TS]

00:33:02   your prediction came true that it never [TS]

00:33:06   it never works all the time for [TS]

00:33:07   everybody and if it does just wait [TS]

00:33:10   well the good news is it'll start [TS]

00:33:12   working again eventually to experience [TS]

00:33:15   one day because like who knows what [TS]

00:33:17   it'll be like you're disconnected or [TS]

00:33:18   you'll reconnect something else or just [TS]

00:33:20   it'll start working again I and back [TS]

00:33:22   when we were discussing this I did hear [TS]

00:33:23   from a lot of people like CC works fine [TS]

00:33:25   to me sometimes I would hear from them [TS]

00:33:27   again a couple months later go it [TS]

00:33:29   stopped working exactly but not always i [TS]

00:33:32   bet i like I just like their tactic [TS]

00:33:34   Wizards their RCC unicorns who just have [TS]

00:33:36   never had a problem and so like you know [TS]

00:33:39   if they their luck continues it's [TS]

00:33:41   possible to live a life force easy [TS]

00:33:43   always works it just seems highly [TS]

00:33:44   unlikely to me I've never met one of [TS]

00:33:46   those people i'm sure they exist summer [TS]

00:33:48   I mean someone's a lottery to write [TS]

00:33:49   serious ? Oh have you gone into the [TS]

00:33:53   settings to see because I could swear [TS]

00:33:56   that in settings that has an option [TS]

00:33:57   whether or not to UCC of course it's not [TS]

00:33:59   labeled that way but it's like turn off [TS]

00:34:02   the TV power when this when the appletv [TS]

00:34:04   power turns off or something like that [TS]

00:34:06   and not to say that you changed it but [TS]

00:34:08   maybe like a software update flip that [TS]

00:34:10   on you or something like that and maybe [TS]

00:34:12   that's what did it you can you just [TS]

00:34:14   check to make sure it's plugged in not [TS]

00:34:15   to say that you unplugged it just maybe [TS]

00:34:18   take out the plug [TS]

00:34:19   sometimes sometimes as dust in the plug [TS]

00:34:21   yeah he just wanted yeah just blow on [TS]

00:34:23   the plug yeah the worst here here i have [TS]

00:34:25   tried to help you and that's what I get [TS]

00:34:26   fine i actually haven't checked the set [TS]

00:34:28   there for the power thing though isn't [TS]

00:34:30   there I are still in the remote [TS]

00:34:32   yes yes so you can't you just do you use [TS]

00:34:35   that for the power like take CC out of [TS]

00:34:36   the equation just use the IR for the [TS]

00:34:38   power for your TV I don't think there's [TS]

00:34:40   a way to tell the apple TV like send the [TS]

00:34:42   IR thing now I think it only works for [TS]

00:34:44   volume control that's a little too but [TS]

00:34:46   did might be worth looking into [TS]

00:34:48   I know Joe steel loves his apple TV can [TS]

00:34:51   ask him about it i mean honestly like [TS]

00:34:52   I'm i'm very happy with the apple TV in [TS]

00:34:55   most other ways like yeah the remote [TS]

00:34:57   stupid but you know they're like the the [TS]

00:34:59   software environment [TS]

00:35:00   yes there are many flaws however having [TS]

00:35:02   used the other TV boxes that are [TS]

00:35:05   competing with this and you know even [TS]

00:35:06   compared to the old Apple [TS]

00:35:08   TV ice this is still the one I prefer [TS]

00:35:11   and i still use it for you know very [TS]

00:35:14   very heavy use everyday and it's [TS]

00:35:17   unfortunate that it is not perfect of [TS]

00:35:19   course but nothing ever is that it can't [TS]

00:35:21   be complained about trying to try [TS]

00:35:25   yeah also my world i mean you don't know [TS]

00:35:28   if you remember you see my table with a [TS]

00:35:30   thousand motabhai sec is against my [TS]

00:35:32   religion [TS]

00:35:32   I did not have it everywhere and i also [TS]

00:35:36   have a thousand remotes and I don't have [TS]

00:35:38   universal remote but here's the thing [TS]

00:35:39   about thousand marks and never told work [TS]

00:35:42   and I use the correct remote to do all [TS]

00:35:44   the things they always work and there [TS]

00:35:45   never any word interactions and the [TS]

00:35:47   boxes don't know each other exists and [TS]

00:35:48   that's the way it should be [TS]

00:35:50   I didn't able it at 1.4 like my entire [TS]

00:35:52   setup my setup is way too complicated [TS]

00:35:53   for like I could barely get to work [TS]

00:35:56   momentarily and like this is this [TS]

00:35:58   untenable and I would see it break like [TS]

00:35:59   within minutes because of me not turning [TS]

00:36:02   things on the right or so i'm really [TS]

00:36:04   turned it off everywhere with the shame [TS]

00:36:05   because they're a couple of features [TS]

00:36:06   features that i would like but i get x [TS]

00:36:08   pretty well with all my remotes knowing [TS]

00:36:10   how to do I our stuff so i can do volume [TS]

00:36:12   up and down the TV and power on the TV [TS]

00:36:14   from a bunch of different remotes but I [TS]

00:36:16   are learning is fairly stable technology [TS]

00:36:19   not like the sea stuff [TS]

00:36:21   yeah and I'm also a guy i think i'm on [TS]

00:36:23   your side in regards to the what appears [TS]

00:36:25   to be your position on universal remotes [TS]

00:36:27   I we we have a logitech harmony [TS]

00:36:30   something or other and you know it when [TS]

00:36:32   we when we bought it a few years ago to [TS]

00:36:34   try to combat this this issue and i just [TS]

00:36:37   had never we've never found a universal [TS]

00:36:40   remote that is what that is actually [TS]

00:36:43   like worth it's actually a net Dean you [TS]

00:36:46   know like it's almost like like the xkcd [TS]

00:36:48   comic of like you know all these [TS]

00:36:50   standards are a mess [TS]

00:36:52   what we need is a new standard like [TS]

00:36:53   that's kind of what like it's like all I [TS]

00:36:56   have too many remotes what I need is [TS]

00:36:57   another remote and then you just have [TS]

00:36:59   more remotes like and it and you can [TS]

00:37:01   actually get rid of all the remotes [TS]

00:37:03   because you still need them sometimes to [TS]

00:37:04   do certain things and sometimes the [TS]

00:37:05   universal remote like gets like one [TS]

00:37:08   synced with the state of the things and [TS]

00:37:10   so it thinks things are in a certain [TS]

00:37:11   state that they're not in and it's just [TS]

00:37:14   such a pain and then my mom I remote has [TS]

00:37:16   firmware that needs to be updated it [TS]

00:37:18   needs to be on my Wi-Fi network and then [TS]

00:37:19   it's just like it [TS]

00:37:21   mr. Payne it's it's such a pain I [TS]

00:37:23   couldn't agree with that more we had a [TS]

00:37:25   very old harmony or equivalent I don't [TS]

00:37:29   know 34 years ago now and I didn't [TS]

00:37:31   understand how it could possibly work [TS]

00:37:33   until I realized that it was tracking [TS]

00:37:35   the state of the system as best it could [TS]

00:37:37   but just like you said it can't actually [TS]

00:37:40   know the state of the system so it was [TS]

00:37:42   constantly losing track of things and it [TS]

00:37:45   would when it worked it was brilliant [TS]

00:37:47   but it almost never worked and it was [TS]

00:37:50   very frustrating and I continue to [TS]

00:37:52   believe that a good universal remote [TS]

00:37:54   would actually simplify things [TS]

00:37:56   especially for the members of my family [TS]

00:37:58   who are not me but as we discussed at [TS]

00:38:00   some point about car stuff i'm a climate [TS]

00:38:03   control a micromanager in the car [TS]

00:38:06   like I want the individual controls for [TS]

00:38:08   fan speed and temperature in which [TS]

00:38:09   direction the air is flowing and I'm [TS]

00:38:11   exactly the same way with TV i have a [TS]

00:38:13   million remotes I know what all them do [TS]

00:38:15   i know which things I want on for which [TS]

00:38:18   shows at which time depending on my mood [TS]

00:38:20   and just I you know as to exactly it it [TS]

00:38:24   feels to me that the part of my brain is [TS]

00:38:26   activated exactly the same part of my [TS]

00:38:27   brain is activated by messing with [TS]

00:38:28   climate controls in car and so I don't [TS]

00:38:30   pretend this is an optimal setup but it [TS]

00:38:31   has the advantages of being completely [TS]

00:38:34   understandable to me and deterministic [TS]

00:38:36   and I you know I micromanagement I I [TS]

00:38:40   just you know when do I want the big [TS]

00:38:42   speakers on your little ones do I want [TS]

00:38:44   surrounding coding or is this thing [TS]

00:38:46   stereo and then I want to turn on the [TS]

00:38:47   dolby digital thing and don't want it [TS]

00:38:50   down to like the apple TV apps like [TS]

00:38:51   don't want to use infuse to try to get [TS]

00:38:53   it descended the unmodified DTS and do [TS]

00:38:55   the decoding on the appletv or do I want [TS]

00:38:57   to let the imac do it and do it reflects [TS]

00:38:59   and that's that's how i wish it was [TS]

00:39:02   simple i wish there was one app in one [TS]

00:39:04   box and one interface and all my stuff [TS]

00:39:06   was in one place but that's just not the [TS]

00:39:07   case and so since things are in a [TS]

00:39:09   million other places having a million [TS]

00:39:11   remotes in a million things to just [TS]

00:39:12   seems like an honest representation of [TS]

00:39:14   the reality where the hell my media is [TS]

00:39:16   and I don't think it's unlearning able [TS]

00:39:18   think I'm trying to see who was a [TS]

00:39:21   second-place person in the family who [TS]

00:39:22   understands the system it's probably one [TS]

00:39:25   of my kids maybe my youngest I don't [TS]

00:39:27   know nobody really understands fully [TS]

00:39:28   except for me which is potentially a [TS]

00:39:30   problem relation write something down [TS]

00:39:32   like it hit by a bus here's how to watch [TS]

00:39:33   TV [TS]

00:39:34   and you and make fun of me for about 100 [TS]

00:39:40   something that was vinyl this is just [TS]

00:39:43   the interface was like I i I've never [TS]

00:39:45   bought a universal remote but i assume i [TS]

00:39:47   assume it would make things easier [TS]

00:39:48   especially if you have universal remote [TS]

00:39:51   to turn on CC everywhere then maybe [TS]

00:39:53   would have a way to detect it could [TS]

00:39:55   repair see screwed up in this but who [TS]

00:39:57   knows maybe not have I still do have [TS]

00:39:59   devices that are I are only ends you [TS]

00:40:02   have that like ir blaster is another [TS]

00:40:03   crack like that so you just like it for [TS]

00:40:05   the ceremony it's a terribly inferior [TS]

00:40:07   standard but you just like it's not it's [TS]

00:40:09   not about ceremony so just like it's [TS]

00:40:10   there's no ceremony to micro managing [TS]

00:40:13   the climate control the cars just like [TS]

00:40:14   well I know how I want the fan speed and [TS]

00:40:16   I know what I want the temperature set [TS]

00:40:17   to and I know if I want the coming out [TS]

00:40:19   the top 10 to the bottom answer both of [TS]

00:40:20   defroster I know all those things so i [TS]

00:40:22   can just set him directly [TS]

00:40:23   I am so happy that I don't stress about [TS]

00:40:26   those sorts of things you know what I do [TS]

00:40:27   in my car I hit the auto button and then [TS]

00:40:29   I usually hit the All button that Marco [TS]

00:40:31   wishes tips car had and then i set a [TS]

00:40:35   temperature and then I don't friggin [TS]

00:40:37   think about it anymore [TS]

00:40:39   it's like the automatic transmission of [TS]

00:40:40   climate control hey you okay see if you [TS]

00:40:43   manage it yourself then it would just it [TS]

00:40:46   would it would feel warmer and less [TS]

00:40:48   artificial it would remind you of your [TS]

00:40:50   childhood but this note there is no [TS]

00:40:52   final analogy to be had here there's [TS]

00:40:55   absolutely no kind of vinyl whatsoever [TS]

00:40:57   because it's not like this [TS]

00:40:59   the dead to the video or sound changes [TS]

00:41:01   quality depending on what remotes I used [TS]

00:41:03   to understand this is the violin algae [TS]

00:41:04   go get thrown out the window you can't [TS]

00:41:07   even throw back the suspense face to [TS]

00:41:09   make fun of it makes no sense i can try [TS]

00:41:12   visiting you know the employee you may [TS]

00:41:15   not but the emoji of the woman with her [TS]

00:41:17   arms like an across in front of her face [TS]

00:41:19   I'm envisioning John doing that sitting [TS]

00:41:20   in front of his his computer [TS]

00:41:22   that's exactly what i look like we are [TS]

00:41:25   sponsored tonight by amazon music now [TS]

00:41:28   you might not know that if you have an [TS]

00:41:30   amazon prime subscription to get fast [TS]

00:41:31   shipping and stuff they have prime music [TS]

00:41:33   and prime music is Amazon music service [TS]

00:41:35   that you get unlimited access to over a [TS]

00:41:38   million songs curated playlists and [TS]

00:41:40   ad-free stations for all prime members [TS]

00:41:43   and they have created a little looking [TS]

00:41:45   like a trial playlist for you to hear [TS]

00:41:47   yourself you want [TS]

00:41:48   it's kinda tied into the rest of amazon [TS]

00:41:50   music so that you can purchase songs [TS]

00:41:51   individually you can stream for most [TS]

00:41:53   devices ipads iphones android phones [TS]

00:41:56   even sonos players of course amazon fire [TS]

00:42:00   devices and of course amazon echo in [TS]

00:42:02   fact they've created a cool playlist now [TS]

00:42:05   if you go to Amazon songs of summer [TS]

00:42:08   dot-com at amazon songs of summer calm / [TS]

00:42:11   ATP they've created a playlist called [TS]

00:42:14   songs of summer and you can go there to [TS]

00:42:16   hear it or if you have an echo [TS]

00:42:18   alexa play songs of summer and you'll [TS]

00:42:21   start hearing it then and what they've [TS]

00:42:23   done is they've gone out and they have [TS]

00:42:24   commissioned a whole bunch of artists to [TS]

00:42:27   create critically acclaimed new songs [TS]

00:42:30   and unique covers of existing hits so [TS]

00:42:32   they've come for this eclectic playlist [TS]

00:42:34   of exclusive original songs and covers [TS]

00:42:36   that love like you know various summer [TS]

00:42:38   themes and these appeal to a wide [TS]

00:42:39   audience [TS]

00:42:40   now this is perfect for summertime [TS]

00:42:42   listening in fact i listen to it Tiffany [TS]

00:42:44   listen while you're cooking for dinner [TS]

00:42:45   tonight because it is summertime I said [TS]

00:42:47   that to my echo and it started playing [TS]

00:42:49   and it was great [TS]

00:42:50   you can check it out to with amazon [TS]

00:42:52   prime music or just go to that link [TS]

00:42:55   amazon songs of summer calm / ATP to [TS]

00:42:58   hear it for yourself if you want to try [TS]

00:43:00   out amazon prime music nice and easy to [TS]

00:43:02   do that there to check it out they have [TS]

00:43:04   a bunch of cool stuff there like I think [TS]

00:43:05   they have all of weezer which is pretty [TS]

00:43:06   cool that they have like their entire [TS]

00:43:07   collection i think and of course you [TS]

00:43:09   know if you have an echo [TS]

00:43:10   it's even better and this is this is one [TS]

00:43:12   of the biggest reasons to get an echo [TS]

00:43:14   so check it out today go to amazon songs [TS]

00:43:16   of summer dot-com / ATP to listen to the [TS]

00:43:20   entire songs of summer playlist [TS]

00:43:22   thanks a lot to Amazon music for [TS]

00:43:23   sponsoring our show anyway we talk about [TS]

00:43:29   email we talk about parenting what do [TS]

00:43:30   you--what pick your poison [TS]

00:43:32   oh man that's a tough one we did get a [TS]

00:43:34   lot of feedback after the legs so at [TS]

00:43:37   last episode we we kind of joked in the [TS]

00:43:39   after show that if we weren't on the [TS]

00:43:40   topics we're gonna have to talk about [TS]

00:43:41   those things and then we got a lot of [TS]

00:43:44   responses from people saying please talk [TS]

00:43:46   about one or the other of those things [TS]

00:43:48   and I think if i had to take a guess I [TS]

00:43:50   think parenting might come out ahead i [TS]

00:43:52   think so not parenting and specifically [TS]

00:43:54   screen time for kids that's right yeah [TS]

00:43:56   very very old piece of followed by and I [TS]

00:43:58   think that was the one that's in the [TS]

00:43:59   most Americans not like it's not stuff [TS]

00:44:00   below it but Intel making chips for [TS]

00:44:02   phones and Chromebooks outselling max [TS]

00:44:04   and letterpress moving of Game Center [TS]

00:44:05   there are other things but I feel like I [TS]

00:44:07   don't feel like we're scraping the [TS]

00:44:08   bottom of the barrel for this I think [TS]

00:44:10   this is just a better topic than those [TS]

00:44:11   other ones both of these I think are [TS]

00:44:12   better topics the the quite the request [TS]

00:44:15   was what exactly I let's say Peter [TS]

00:44:17   Beardsley wrote in we still have this i [TS]

00:44:21   was joking [TS]

00:44:21   is he is no longer listening to the show [TS]

00:44:24   but here and a half ago Peter Beardsley [TS]

00:44:26   road and he has since retired it no [TS]

00:44:29   longer even use computers anymore as [TS]

00:44:31   kids are in college [TS]

00:44:33   that's very true he had written in and [TS]

00:44:36   said John has been talking about playing [TS]

00:44:37   destiny with his kid marco post pictures [TS]

00:44:39   of him playing games on an iPad the [TS]

00:44:42   topic of quote-unquote screen time is a [TS]

00:44:44   controversial one in my household how do [TS]

00:44:46   you determine what is an appropriate [TS]

00:44:47   amount my wife has her opinions and I [TS]

00:44:49   have mine but i'd love to hear yours as [TS]

00:44:51   well so at this point this is when we [TS]

00:44:54   really anger anyone who we haven't [TS]

00:44:56   angered yet in the entire course of the [TS]

00:44:58   show now my most parents don't get angry [TS]

00:45:01   like I think most parents are beaten [TS]

00:45:03   down by reality and actually realize [TS]

00:45:04   people have the parenting idea so it's a [TS]

00:45:06   tiny minority of parents that are all [TS]

00:45:07   high and mighty about was having kids is [TS]

00:45:09   the best thing to teach you that you [TS]

00:45:10   don't know the first thing about having [TS]

00:45:11   kids but what happens after the as for [TS]

00:45:15   the framing of this topic like it I i [TS]

00:45:17   don't really and like not that I don't [TS]

00:45:20   accept the premise but the premise [TS]

00:45:21   itself it contains some opinionated [TS]

00:45:25   information which is that screen time in [TS]

00:45:28   quotes which is a phrase I think we've [TS]

00:45:29   all heard from either from ourselves [TS]

00:45:30   saying that other parents and stuff that [TS]

00:45:32   there is the category of activities that [TS]

00:45:36   your kid can do that involves them [TS]

00:45:38   looking at a screen which is basically [TS]

00:45:40   an electric [TS]

00:45:41   sonic thing that shows moving images on [TS]

00:45:43   it that that is a valid categorization [TS]

00:45:45   like we don't talk about yellow sock [TS]

00:45:48   time how much time you let your kids [TS]

00:45:49   wear yellow socks how much time to let [TS]

00:45:51   me touch the floor floor time like its [TS]

00:45:54   screen time specifically and encoded in [TS]

00:45:56   that is sort of a an unquestioning [TS]

00:46:01   demonization to some degree of [TS]

00:46:03   technology in that like why is reading a [TS]

00:46:06   book not screen time if you read a book [TS]

00:46:08   on an iPad does it become screen time [TS]

00:46:10   because it's on a screen like that [TS]

00:46:12   screens themselves like again I don't [TS]

00:46:14   think this is it's not it's not like a [TS]

00:46:16   heavy message but in in this in this [TS]

00:46:18   word and this phrase in this entire [TS]

00:46:20   concept in this question that comes up [TS]

00:46:21   the idea of looking at a screen is a [TS]

00:46:25   fundamental aspect of an activity i'm [TS]

00:46:28   mostly rejected the book one is the best [TS]

00:46:30   example because you know these days ago [TS]

00:46:32   my kids are reading a book it's a [TS]

00:46:33   wonderful feel great about it but if [TS]

00:46:34   they're reading that same exact book on [TS]

00:46:36   their iPad screen suddenly they're [TS]

00:46:38   writing their brains and they're just [TS]

00:46:39   gonna become little zombies in there [TS]

00:46:41   staring at screens all the time [TS]

00:46:42   same activity but one has a screen one [TS]

00:46:45   doesn't so at least for me I don't [TS]

00:46:47   categorize activities based on the piece [TS]

00:46:52   of technology they're using I would more [TS]

00:46:54   categorizes like what is the activity [TS]

00:46:55   are they watching video what kind of [TS]

00:46:59   video with this fiction and nonfiction [TS]

00:47:00   you know and sometimes you throw [TS]

00:47:02   something like oh they're watching [TS]

00:47:03   YouTube but it's really just shorthand [TS]

00:47:04   for categorizing the types of things [TS]

00:47:06   that are on youtube in general they're [TS]

00:47:07   not watching a feature-length movie on [TS]

00:47:09   YouTube and mostly not watching like [TS]

00:47:11   cereal TV show style things on youtube [TS]

00:47:13   so YouTube was you know as kind of a [TS]

00:47:15   definition but reading books watching [TS]

00:47:17   movies many things happen in front of [TS]

00:47:19   screens writing my daughter writes a lot [TS]

00:47:21   and you know word processors right [TS]

00:47:23   section and writes down lists and stuff [TS]

00:47:24   that's also in front of a screen i [TS]

00:47:26   categorize that entirely differently [TS]

00:47:28   than her watching you know ever after [TS]

00:47:30   high or whatever so that's that's my [TS]

00:47:33   that's my opening statement i guess on [TS]

00:47:35   screen time and how you guys do that a [TS]

00:47:37   phrase that is used ever in your house [TS]

00:47:38   or is that how you think about things at [TS]

00:47:40   all [TS]

00:47:40   yes some so it's a little bit different [TS]

00:47:43   for me as compared to you guys because [TS]

00:47:45   Declan is just today actually 20 months [TS]

00:47:47   old and so he's not even two years we [TS]

00:47:51   generally speaking [TS]

00:47:53   avoided show well he had no interest in [TS]

00:47:56   the TV for a long time and once he [TS]

00:47:57   started to show an interest we and we [TS]

00:47:59   avoided having the TV on when he was [TS]

00:48:02   awake and around that still mostly the [TS]

00:48:05   case we have started or Aaron because [TS]

00:48:08   i'm at work at the time it has started [TS]

00:48:10   showing him sesame street every day [TS]

00:48:11   which he very very much enjoys and then [TS]

00:48:14   we have my old iPad Mini that we have [TS]

00:48:18   put a bunch of daniel tiger and sesame [TS]

00:48:22   street episodes on and we'll use that [TS]

00:48:24   only in desperation scenarios typically [TS]

00:48:27   only when we're in the car because he [TS]

00:48:28   doesn't particularly like the car but [TS]

00:48:31   other than that we he's very rarely [TS]

00:48:34   looking at a television screen or an [TS]

00:48:36   iPad and i'm not saying that that's [TS]

00:48:37   right but it feels for us like we should [TS]

00:48:41   probably avoid it at least for now but [TS]

00:48:43   again it's a little weird because he's [TS]

00:48:44   only 20 months I mean he doesn't ease [TS]

00:48:46   into it like Adam more like your kids [TS]

00:48:48   would be I mean for us you know adam is [TS]

00:48:51   in my kid is as for and he you know [TS]

00:48:56   we've we've had we don't really draw the [TS]

00:48:58   distinction we don't we don't use the [TS]

00:48:59   term screen time or any any other a [TS]

00:49:01   replacement term for that concept and [TS]

00:49:04   yeah i think it's you know like so many [TS]

00:49:07   things in parenting it depends on your [TS]

00:49:08   kid in our case we never like [TS]

00:49:12   specifically glorified think the screens [TS]

00:49:15   or maid the maid forbidden thing or [TS]

00:49:17   thing that was that was saved for like [TS]

00:49:18   only special occasions [TS]

00:49:19   you know it's like one toy with many in [TS]

00:49:21   the house and Adam could choose to play [TS]

00:49:23   with the ipad or can watch TV for a [TS]

00:49:26   while or he can do other things and we [TS]

00:49:29   haven't really had to set limits because [TS]

00:49:31   the kind of kid he is at least so far he [TS]

00:49:34   treats it like any other toy so I kill [TS]

00:49:37   will be happy to play with the ipad for [TS]

00:49:38   like you know maybe 20 minutes half hour [TS]

00:49:41   and then want to do something else and i [TS]

00:49:43   think that's that's kind of a healthy [TS]

00:49:44   attitude for it because I mean our [TS]

00:49:47   philosophy on this you know if it ever [TS]

00:49:49   came to having to put in any kind of [TS]

00:49:51   limits in 22 min healthy balances our [TS]

00:49:54   philosophy is this is a world full of [TS]

00:49:56   screens that we live in [TS]

00:49:58   it's only getting more in that direction [TS]

00:50:00   as we move forward you know [TS]

00:50:02   time so Adam is growing up in a world [TS]

00:50:04   full of screens to try to like keep him [TS]

00:50:09   from that or limit that artificially in [TS]

00:50:11   a way that would like you know make it [TS]

00:50:13   weird like to deal with screens for him [TS]

00:50:15   or two to make it like a rebellion is of [TS]

00:50:18   sorts or like only a special treat [TS]

00:50:20   doesn't really seem like that fits into [TS]

00:50:22   the road we actually live in today you [TS]

00:50:24   know I I get the idea of why people want [TS]

00:50:26   to limit that and the end the and what [TS]

00:50:28   people want their kids to do instead I [TS]

00:50:30   guess be social or go outside whatever [TS]

00:50:32   but I think if you're if you already [TS]

00:50:34   have a reasonable balance and of of [TS]

00:50:39   activities for your kid having having [TS]

00:50:41   screens and things for screens be a part [TS]

00:50:44   of that i don't i don't see it as any [TS]

00:50:45   different from any other toys that he [TS]

00:50:48   has so as kids get older like you said [TS]

00:50:51   it really depends on your kid you the [TS]

00:50:53   kids will start picking up more of their [TS]

00:50:55   own interests like this especially young [TS]

00:50:56   ages you can basically control [TS]

00:50:57   everything we do you control the toys [TS]

00:50:59   they play with because you buy the toys [TS]

00:51:00   you can you can even control by not [TS]

00:51:02   bringing them down the toilet you don't [TS]

00:51:03   want them to see the toys that you're [TS]

00:51:05   not going to buy them like when they're [TS]

00:51:06   very young you you have a lot of control [TS]

00:51:09   and so you can sort of provide the [TS]

00:51:10   balance silly by-product providing a [TS]

00:51:11   balance of things that you all approve [TS]

00:51:13   of course kids get older starting minds [TS]

00:51:15   of their own and depending on your kid [TS]

00:51:17   they have different you know different [TS]

00:51:19   preferences and they will gravitate [TS]

00:51:22   towards something and then no matter [TS]

00:51:24   what they gravitate towards maintaining [TS]

00:51:25   what you think is a healthy balance may [TS]

00:51:28   require some intervention but again i'd [TS]

00:51:32   say that doesn't specifically apply to [TS]

00:51:34   screen so for example if your kid starts [TS]

00:51:37   getting older and becomes really into [TS]

00:51:40   books and all they want to do all the [TS]

00:51:42   time is go up to the room and read [TS]

00:51:43   you're like oh I would be overjoyed if [TS]

00:51:45   my kid read all the time but at a [TS]

00:51:46   certain point they need to learn how to [TS]

00:51:48   deal with other people and be social [TS]

00:51:50   that's part of growing up too so you [TS]

00:51:51   would may find yourself limiting book [TS]

00:51:53   time because did you need your kid to [TS]

00:51:55   socialize with other kids to learn how [TS]

00:51:57   to deal with other people like you're [TS]

00:51:58   trying to find the right balance for [TS]

00:52:00   your kid which the balances in the same [TS]

00:52:01   for everybody but most people would say [TS]

00:52:03   like learning to deal with other people [TS]

00:52:05   is part of growing up and you can't [TS]

00:52:06   avoid it even if you're really really [TS]

00:52:08   into whatever is your interest in making [TS]

00:52:11   models are reading books are all these [TS]

00:52:12   activities people think like a healthy [TS]

00:52:14   and you know [TS]

00:52:14   well that's a good thing to do like [TS]

00:52:15   that's that's why i hate the screen the [TS]

00:52:18   categorization of screens like they're [TS]

00:52:20   certain activities are accepted by most [TS]

00:52:23   parents as on a continuum of evil right [TS]

00:52:25   so reading is one of the best you can do [TS]

00:52:27   making models kind of in the middle [TS]

00:52:30   making models that have electronics [TS]

00:52:32   maybe getting a little worse [TS]

00:52:34   anything that involves a television bad [TS]

00:52:36   anything that involves computers could [TS]

00:52:38   be good probably also bad video games [TS]

00:52:41   universally bad right and that that that [TS]

00:52:44   sort of a continuum that we all sort of [TS]

00:52:46   agreed upon before we begin talking [TS]

00:52:48   about balance [TS]

00:52:49   I totally disagree with most of the [TS]

00:52:50   reasons Marco said like we live in a [TS]

00:52:53   world the screens we live in a world [TS]

00:52:54   television we live in a world with [TS]

00:52:55   recorded music like oh don't listen to [TS]

00:52:57   those direct recorded music it's live [TS]

00:52:59   music or nothing you'll rot your brain [TS]

00:53:00   like as not the novel was condemned as [TS]

00:53:03   something that will be the debt would be [TS]

00:53:04   the downfall of humanity when it was [TS]

00:53:06   introduced to sew through the lens of [TS]

00:53:09   history it's obviously ridiculous to [TS]

00:53:10   think about things that way but all of [TS]

00:53:12   those mediums have things that that can [TS]

00:53:15   provide your kid with something so if [TS]

00:53:17   your kid is only reading is hard for me [TS]

00:53:20   to find like it if they're only reading [TS]

00:53:22   the same kind of simple story over and [TS]

00:53:25   over again they're not really growing as [TS]

00:53:28   a reader right if they're only watching [TS]

00:53:30   the same kind of television show over [TS]

00:53:32   and over again they're not really [TS]

00:53:33   growing as a viewer of you know of [TS]

00:53:35   moving pictures or whatever like and if [TS]

00:53:37   they're only playing the same computer [TS]

00:53:39   game over and over again they're not [TS]

00:53:41   expanding outwards into that like that [TS]

00:53:43   every medium and every form of input an [TS]

00:53:46   activity has like your kids should be [TS]

00:53:49   crawling up that ladder and becoming [TS]

00:53:51   more sophisticated and learning and [TS]

00:53:53   growing in all the activities that they [TS]

00:53:54   do and if they're not thats you know [TS]

00:53:57   something has to be aware but there's [TS]

00:53:59   nothing inherent I believe in any of the [TS]

00:54:01   specific activities makes them better or [TS]

00:54:03   worse like I would rather my kids watch [TS]

00:54:06   a YouTube video like a science youtube [TS]

00:54:08   video then like read a silly book about [TS]

00:54:13   fairies and rainbows that is two years [TS]

00:54:15   below their grade level that they read [TS]

00:54:16   50 times before like one of those uses [TS]

00:54:19   screen and one of them is a book and [TS]

00:54:20   suppose like the perfect thing we want [TS]

00:54:22   our children to do but then you can't [TS]

00:54:24   you can view them that way [TS]

00:54:25   can slap them in by the by the media so [TS]

00:54:28   that's definitely how I look at things [TS]

00:54:29   and and I but I'm really for my kids [TS]

00:54:33   mostly looking at what they are drawn to [TS]

00:54:35   and figuring out what I have to put [TS]

00:54:37   limits on based on what if I didn't put [TS]

00:54:39   limits they would just do obsessively [TS]

00:54:40   and it's not always watching television [TS]

00:54:44   show or play video game it could be any [TS]

00:54:46   activity they do obsessively one of my [TS]

00:54:49   kids always wants to go and hang out [TS]

00:54:51   with friends and my son mostly will stay [TS]

00:54:54   inside and not see anybody so we're [TS]

00:54:56   trying to push one out of the house all [TS]

00:54:57   the time and the other one trying to get [TS]

00:54:59   the calm down a lot so everything is [TS]

00:55:01   different [TS]

00:55:02   yeah I don't know what we're going to do [TS]

00:55:05   in the future I think it's funny because [TS]

00:55:08   i was very resentful of my parents or or [TS]

00:55:15   extended family putting limits on our [TS]

00:55:16   screen time like I think mark and I have [TS]

00:55:17   talked about although maybe it never [TS]

00:55:19   made it in the show when we were kids we [TS]

00:55:21   want when we hung out so we are 108 1012 [TS]

00:55:24   something like that yeah we would meet [TS]

00:55:27   up and we would hang out and then my [TS]

00:55:28   grandmother would inevitably or here or [TS]

00:55:30   marcos momentarily tell us okay you've [TS]

00:55:33   you've played enough on the computer [TS]

00:55:34   it's time to go outside now [TS]

00:55:35   yeah and I remember being really really [TS]

00:55:38   resentful of that because i was happy we [TS]

00:55:40   were having a great time and we were in [TS]

00:55:42   some cases doing things that you could [TS]

00:55:45   argue were productive like I vividly [TS]

00:55:46   remember spending hours on the world's [TS]

00:55:49   crappiest choose-your-own-adventure [TS]

00:55:49   visual basic one-point game in in it [TS]

00:55:54   wasn't always transport tycoon although [TS]

00:55:56   damned if we didn't play like it's [TS]

00:55:58   perfect but yeah that might have been [TS]

00:56:00   more than half it nevertheless I've [TS]

00:56:03   never i remember being so resentful of [TS]

00:56:05   the of the get outside stick but here I [TS]

00:56:08   am now apparent and i feel like i'm [TS]

00:56:11   reverting into that same mindset of oh [TS]

00:56:15   you probably shouldn't be playing on the [TS]

00:56:17   ipad constantly which again he doesn't [TS]

00:56:20   because he's so young but I could see it [TS]

00:56:21   happening [TS]

00:56:22   you probably shouldn't be on the ipad [TS]

00:56:24   constantly should probably go outside in [TS]

00:56:26   you I feel like it now is the time to [TS]

00:56:29   instill within him that he needs to be a [TS]

00:56:31   well-rounded person but I agree [TS]

00:56:34   completely with what both of you said [TS]

00:56:37   that the reality of the situation is [TS]

00:56:38   that part [TS]

00:56:38   being well-rounded in today's society is [TS]

00:56:40   being comfortable in front of a screen [TS]

00:56:42   so i don't know what the right answer is [TS]

00:56:45   obviously and i'll have to kind of fake [TS]

00:56:47   it til we make it [TS]

00:56:48   well I guess you never really making [TS]

00:56:49   parenting but you know what i mean and [TS]

00:56:52   we'll see how it shakes out fake until [TS]

00:56:54   they go to college [TS]

00:56:55   yeah right it will see how it shakes out [TS]

00:56:57   as he gets older and perhaps starts [TS]

00:56:59   requesting these things but it's nice [TS]

00:57:00   because like John it said we have that [TS]

00:57:02   control now where he doesn't ever really [TS]

00:57:04   see the ipad and so it's not it [TS]

00:57:09   he won't know where ask for it unless we [TS]

00:57:12   say to him do you want to watch Daniel [TS]

00:57:13   Tiger do you want to watch Sesame Street [TS]

00:57:15   or what have you [TS]

00:57:16   I think it's also worth pointing out [TS]

00:57:18   that you know we we as parents like it's [TS]

00:57:22   the kids can look and see what we do and [TS]

00:57:26   it it would be awfully hypocritical of [TS]

00:57:28   us to say you know you need to limit [TS]

00:57:30   your screen time while we sit there [TS]

00:57:33   using screens for way more time during [TS]

00:57:35   the day than that and like they know [TS]

00:57:37   that they can see that like they're not [TS]

00:57:38   gonna respect the rule or the parents [TS]

00:57:41   making that rule if the parents [TS]

00:57:42   themselves are blatantly violating it [TS]

00:57:44   all the time [TS]

00:57:46   yep I'm guilty of that well like I said [TS]

00:57:48   you looking at the screen doesn't mean [TS]

00:57:50   you're doing the same thing like I think [TS]

00:57:51   my kids do differentiated roughly like [TS]

00:57:53   they know what I'm working you know [TS]

00:57:55   sometimes i'm working on my is I can [TS]

00:57:57   tell the difference between between me [TS]

00:57:58   working versus me reading Twitter resume [TS]

00:58:01   watching youtube video which I might [TS]

00:58:02   invite them to join to like oh it's it's [TS]

00:58:06   the specific activity that's the issue [TS]

00:58:08   an idea [TS]

00:58:08   Casey mentioned in terms of like then [TS]

00:58:10   becoming competent with screens and for [TS]

00:58:13   the most part I don't think that's [TS]

00:58:14   something we need to put an effort into [TS]

00:58:15   it because it's it will be very unless [TS]

00:58:17   your kid like it really doesn't like [TS]

00:58:19   them at all and then you might want to [TS]

00:58:20   make sure they have some minimum [TS]

00:58:21   confidence but i don't think there's any [TS]

00:58:22   effort we need to make this was going to [TS]

00:58:23   happen right [TS]

00:58:25   this day they can't help but be [TS]

00:58:26   competent exist around by then because [TS]

00:58:28   we have a million of these devices at [TS]

00:58:29   home and then they'll see them at school [TS]

00:58:31   and so that's gonna take care of itself [TS]

00:58:32   but really what I'm thinking of is what [TS]

00:58:35   are they doing like the fact that the [TS]

00:58:36   screen doesn't doesn't is not a factor [TS]

00:58:38   as far as I'm concerned because i don't [TS]

00:58:40   think there's magic radiation writing [TS]

00:58:41   their brains coming out of like back [TS]

00:58:42   flat screens [TS]

00:58:43   it's what are they actually doing are [TS]

00:58:46   they learning something are they reading [TS]

00:58:47   wikipedia pages are they if they're [TS]

00:58:50   watching some kind of video is [TS]

00:58:52   is it a television show that I approve [TS]

00:58:54   of in terms of you know is it [TS]

00:58:57   constructive in some way are they [TS]

00:58:58   playing a game that is teaching them [TS]

00:59:00   something instead of you know just being [TS]

00:59:02   is you know is it age-appropriate a lot [TS]

00:59:03   of you know is it should you be watching [TS]

00:59:05   this television show this movie this [TS]

00:59:06   youtube video whatever what are you [TS]

00:59:08   getting out of this [TS]

00:59:09   are you watching the same kind of thing [TS]

00:59:11   over and over again are you playing the [TS]

00:59:12   same kind of game over and over and of [TS]

00:59:15   course as you'll see this is your kids [TS]

00:59:16   get older I imagine this will not be a [TS]

00:59:18   thing that goes away but anyone who has [TS]

00:59:19   kids and double-digit ages knows that [TS]

00:59:22   the thing of like multiple screens [TS]

00:59:24   they're not my son is forever has his [TS]

00:59:27   ipad playing youtube videos you know in [TS]

00:59:30   a loop based on a loop like it with on [TS]

00:59:33   autopilot like he doesn't pick the [TS]

00:59:34   videos you just accept whatever plays [TS]

00:59:36   next is the amazing power the YouTube [TS]

00:59:37   has over our children listening to that [TS]

00:59:40   on headphones while playing a video game [TS]

00:59:42   on the television or on unlike the [TS]

00:59:45   PlayStation on the monitor like so he's [TS]

00:59:47   hearing audio from a youtube video while [TS]

00:59:50   playing a video game and then I guess [TS]

00:59:51   occasionally glancing down at that thing [TS]

00:59:53   and his phone is also on the desk and so [TS]

00:59:54   is getting texts from friends at the [TS]

00:59:55   same time that you haven't [TS]

00:59:57   how do you even parts that but that's [TS]

00:59:59   the thing that people [TS]

00:59:59   the thing that people [TS]

01:00:00   all the time could do all the time these [TS]

01:00:01   days so now you have to look at like the [TS]

01:00:03   three things that they're doing is he [TS]

01:00:06   communicating well with his friends [TS]

01:00:08   what are the youtube videos that are [TS]

01:00:09   playing are the youtube videos related [TS]

01:00:11   to the game that he's playing he's [TS]

01:00:12   trying to learn strategies and then [TS]

01:00:13   implement them like for people who [TS]

01:00:16   demonize video games that they may be [TS]

01:00:18   like oh that's double bad that he's [TS]

01:00:20   playing a stupid video game which I [TS]

01:00:21   don't like and he's watching a video [TS]

01:00:23   about how to play the video game what an [TS]

01:00:25   incredible waste of time but essentially [TS]

01:00:27   what he's doing is like skills that [TS]

01:00:29   coming you know and not just for [TS]

01:00:31   schoolwork but for regular work like [TS]

01:00:33   where you have to learn how to do [TS]

01:00:34   something sort of on the job while [TS]

01:00:36   you're doing it and you want to be able [TS]

01:00:38   to do the thing that you're doing better [TS]

01:00:39   and so you're essentially doing research [TS]

01:00:41   to 15 minutes it's very similar to [TS]

01:00:43   programming and then just like going to [TS]

01:00:45   the website looking at the documentation [TS]

01:00:46   and having the code another window and [TS]

01:00:48   having the web browser open over there [TS]

01:00:49   like we all do that all the time [TS]

01:00:51   this is the video game thing is the [TS]

01:00:53   equivalent of that and I mean it really [TS]

01:00:55   helps your game when you understand that [TS]

01:00:56   these things aren't just all mine list [TS]

01:00:58   that they're actually fairly complicated [TS]

01:01:00   and you know i mean you know from [TS]

01:01:02   transport tycoon like you learned things [TS]

01:01:04   about it you don't have the internet [TS]

01:01:05   probably in those days where you could [TS]

01:01:07   look up awesome strategies for [TS]

01:01:08   transporting texting and stuff but [TS]

01:01:09   they're surprisingly deep in the skills [TS]

01:01:11   you learn of able to like juggle [TS]

01:01:14   strategies and write things down with a [TS]

01:01:15   pencil paper and use them to excel this [TS]

01:01:17   thing you're doing which is integrated [TS]

01:01:19   kind of pointless but that's exactly [TS]

01:01:20   what play is like it's supposed to be a [TS]

01:01:21   sort of a trial run in a safe [TS]

01:01:23   environment of skills that will come in [TS]

01:01:25   handy later in life and more important [TS]

01:01:27   situations or you become game developer [TS]

01:01:29   and they transfer exactly so [TS]

01:01:31   and you know I i would argue like school [TS]

01:01:33   is pointless [TS]

01:01:34   like most of what you do in school is [TS]

01:01:36   pointless but the reason you do it is [TS]

01:01:37   that it's it's an educational exercise [TS]

01:01:39   to develop your brain in certain ways [TS]

01:01:41   and games are often that same thing and [TS]

01:01:44   even like things like television shows [TS]

01:01:45   and movies like a lot of what i want my [TS]

01:01:47   kids to learn when they watch media that [TS]

01:01:49   I hopefully is constructed in some way [TS]

01:01:51   is you see interpersonal relationships [TS]

01:01:54   like you you have a certain amount of [TS]

01:01:55   interpersonal relations that you get to [TS]

01:01:56   try out when you go to school in your [TS]

01:01:58   hair with your friends but you also [TS]

01:01:59   learn from the media that you see how do [TS]

01:02:02   people relate to each other [TS]

01:02:03   what are the various anti-patterns how [TS]

01:02:04   they relate how will i be treated if I [TS]

01:02:07   act like this a lot of fiction sort of [TS]

01:02:09   plays out those things especially kids [TS]

01:02:10   fiction where the show [TS]

01:02:11   the kid who's to concede or the the kid [TS]

01:02:14   who's shy or bullying or like all you [TS]

01:02:16   know very a lot of media for children [TS]

01:02:19   eventually gets into all those topics [TS]

01:02:22   and they're just like oh I'm just [TS]

01:02:23   watching a TV show but i think people [TS]

01:02:25   don't realize how much people and even [TS]

01:02:26   reading books and stuff like that like [TS]

01:02:28   fiction provides a way to try out [TS]

01:02:32   activities you're not gonna actually try [TS]

01:02:34   yourself but to see pretend people try [TS]

01:02:36   them out and see the consequences which [TS]

01:02:37   is why you have to keep your eye [TS]

01:02:38   infection because if you fed your kids [TS]

01:02:40   the wrong kind of pictures they couldn't [TS]

01:02:41   get the wrong kind of idea about the way [TS]

01:02:44   the world works so you have to that's [TS]

01:02:46   what you have to sort of be on top of [TS]

01:02:47   what they're look into or whatever and [TS]

01:02:49   that's why you know when you're young is [TS]

01:02:51   easy but later on they will start [TS]

01:02:52   picking things on their own you have to [TS]

01:02:53   sort of take an interest in what are you [TS]

01:02:55   watching and you will have to watch a [TS]

01:02:57   bunch of episodes of shows that you're [TS]

01:02:58   not actually interested in because [TS]

01:02:59   they're for kids but if you don't do [TS]

01:03:01   that you have no idea what it is they're [TS]

01:03:02   they're learning and taking away because [TS]

01:03:04   they you know the same way they want you [TS]

01:03:06   to learn how interpersonal relationships [TS]

01:03:08   work they also learned that from fiction [TS]

01:03:10   night I I think back to the number of [TS]

01:03:12   things i learned about learned or miss [TS]

01:03:15   learned about human nature from [TS]

01:03:16   television movies and books from my [TS]

01:03:18   childhood and it's surprising amount [TS]

01:03:20   perhaps more than I learned from you [TS]

01:03:23   know my parents actually telling me and [TS]

01:03:25   sort of the sort of traditional [TS]

01:03:26   parenting away like let me tell you why [TS]

01:03:29   you should not be a bully and why you [TS]

01:03:30   should be nice to your sister or [TS]

01:03:31   whatever but when you bring all this up [TS]

01:03:34   because I just the other day Aaron sent [TS]

01:03:36   me an article she had found and we'll [TS]

01:03:37   put in the show notes and the titles [TS]

01:03:39   research shows preschoolers to watch [TS]

01:03:41   daniel tiger's neighborhood develop [TS]

01:03:42   social and emotional skills and this is [TS]

01:03:45   a study by texas tech university [TS]

01:03:47   apparently and what they did was they [TS]

01:03:50   gave they had preschoolers watch like a [TS]

01:03:52   nature show for a couple of weeks or [TS]

01:03:54   watch Daniel tiger which if you're not [TS]

01:03:57   familiar it's it's the spiritual [TS]

01:03:59   successor to Mister Rogers which i [TS]

01:04:01   assume is relevant even to like grits as [TS]

01:04:05   well but mr. Rogers like an institution [TS]

01:04:08   for kids in the u.s. well anyway so they [TS]

01:04:11   the key quote here is in the study which [TS]

01:04:13   will be published an upcoming issue to [TS]

01:04:14   the journal of children and media [TS]

01:04:16   hundred twenty-seven people preschoolers [TS]

01:04:18   watched ten episodes of either daniel [TS]

01:04:19   tiger's neighborhood or nature show / [TS]

01:04:21   two-week period should we watch Daniel [TS]

01:04:23   Tiger exhibited higher levels of empty [TS]

01:04:25   cell [TS]

01:04:25   if efficacy basically confidence in [TS]

01:04:27   oneself in social situations and the [TS]

01:04:29   ability to recognize emotions from a bar [TS]

01:04:32   better ability to recognize those [TS]

01:04:34   emotions then the kids who watch the [TS]

01:04:36   nature show there's a kicker though in [TS]

01:04:38   order for the kids to benefit from [TS]

01:04:39   watching the show their regular TV [TS]

01:04:40   watching experience has to be company [TS]

01:04:42   accompanied by frequent parent-child [TS]

01:04:44   conversations about the media content [TS]

01:04:45   which is a part that i found most [TS]

01:04:47   interesting it was yeah the show may not [TS]

01:04:49   be a complete disaster in and of itself [TS]

01:04:52   but for to really sink in and hit home [TS]

01:04:55   it's up to Aaron and I to pay attention [TS]

01:04:57   and talk to him as best as we can with [TS]

01:04:59   the 20 month old about what he just saw [TS]

01:05:02   and and that's something that we've [TS]

01:05:03   taken a heart and although he hasn't [TS]

01:05:05   seen Daniel tiger in the couple of days [TS]

01:05:07   since since we found this article it's [TS]

01:05:10   still something that we plan to do in [TS]

01:05:12   the future and have something we're [TS]

01:05:13   going to try to be better about the [TS]

01:05:15   parenting institution of reading an [TS]

01:05:17   article and then deciding this is how we [TS]

01:05:18   have to parent differently because the [TS]

01:05:20   article says it's a fair credit no it's [TS]

01:05:22   a fair criticism but that's not a [TS]

01:05:23   criticism we all do it like that because [TS]

01:05:25   the end we all do it because we're all [TS]

01:05:26   looking for well you know where we're [TS]

01:05:28   looking for help right it's like someone [TS]

01:05:30   have some ideas that i haven't tried [TS]

01:05:31   i'll try those like we did exactly the [TS]

01:05:33   same things like and speaking of his [TS]

01:05:35   same same things about all the studies [TS]

01:05:36   about how you shouldn't show your kid [TS]

01:05:38   any sort of video very early in life [TS]

01:05:41   which always made sense to me I mean we [TS]

01:05:43   didn't need articles tell us that for [TS]

01:05:44   the most part but like when your kid is [TS]

01:05:46   changing from a little squishy larvae [TS]

01:05:48   into like that does nothing and just [TS]

01:05:51   pooped his pants all the time and you [TS]

01:05:53   can barely hold its head up like that [TS]

01:05:55   you they have to learn how to interact [TS]

01:05:57   with the world and if kids very very [TS]

01:06:01   young can be distracted by moving images [TS]

01:06:03   that's taking time away from them [TS]

01:06:05   learning like where's the floor where [TS]

01:06:07   this is sealing what are these things [TS]

01:06:08   poking out of my body and how do I [TS]

01:06:09   control them right and so that's why i [TS]

01:06:12   would imagine part of the rationale [TS]

01:06:14   behind don't show very very young kids [TS]

01:06:16   television or movies or other things [TS]

01:06:18   that are irresistibly attractive and yet [TS]

01:06:21   don't teach them anything about how to [TS]

01:06:22   exist in the world because you're [TS]

01:06:25   distracting them from important [TS]

01:06:27   developmental milestones but once kids [TS]

01:06:29   can actually walking talking and do [TS]

01:06:31   stuff like that then moving pictures [TS]

01:06:33   just part of the part of the same world [TS]

01:06:35   as learning to read and [TS]

01:06:36   learning to be more information and [TS]

01:06:37   speaking of discussing things with your [TS]

01:06:39   kids doesn't have to be after school [TS]

01:06:40   style like I remember a lot of the shows [TS]

01:06:43   i wanted my kids to watch my shows in [TS]

01:06:44   which characters were similar ages and [TS]

01:06:47   facing similar challenges i gotta know [TS]

01:06:49   everyone hates Caillou but i would [TS]

01:06:50   always be like remember that episode [TS]

01:06:52   work I you found his shoes and tied them [TS]

01:06:54   himself like you would reference things [TS]

01:06:56   that I know he's seen on TV to give him [TS]

01:06:58   a framework and like he would have two [TS]

01:07:00   great as the first child and you know [TS]

01:07:01   you both have your first child there at [TS]

01:07:03   the grudgingly admit that yes I suppose [TS]

01:07:06   it is it is reasonable for a child my [TS]

01:07:08   age to be able to do this whereas [TS]

01:07:09   depending on your kid maybe like this is [TS]

01:07:11   an injustice I could never put on my own [TS]

01:07:13   socks this is not a thing that happens [TS]

01:07:14   my entire life you've been putting on my [TS]

01:07:16   socks I was like do you want me to put [TS]

01:07:18   on my socks [TS]

01:07:19   that's ridiculous things I want Caillou [TS]

01:07:21   doesn't he's your age and like hmm like [TS]

01:07:24   it's kristen Caillou as real as anything [TS]

01:07:25   else in the world right to discuss like [TS]

01:07:28   a discussing what you seen but [TS]

01:07:30   referencing what you know they've seen [TS]

01:07:31   it in a way that's like it's like shared [TS]

01:07:34   culture with your child in our stories [TS]

01:07:36   you know they've read like it was just [TS]

01:07:37   like in this book when that happened [TS]

01:07:39   that we can apply the steer like not [TS]

01:07:40   that listen to yours like oh you're [TS]

01:07:42   totally right dad but at least you know [TS]

01:07:43   you make your point and so if you just [TS]

01:07:45   keep doing that eventually it will sink [TS]

01:07:47   in and you have thoughts on screen time [TS]

01:07:51   well so it sounds like none of us are in [TS]

01:07:53   the camp of like oh I really limited and [TS]

01:07:55   it's really important and I think it's [TS]

01:07:56   worth saying that like like so many [TS]

01:07:59   other things in parenting if people [TS]

01:08:00   decide to do that in the grand scheme of [TS]

01:08:02   things I don't think that makes like I [TS]

01:08:04   don't think that's that's harmful like [TS]

01:08:06   oh you know we we limit our kids to one [TS]

01:08:08   hour screen time a day in the grand [TS]

01:08:09   scheme of things [TS]

01:08:10   that's probably fine like it everyone [TS]

01:08:14   does has something that they have a [TS]

01:08:15   hang-up about everyone thinks the [TS]

01:08:17   correct balance is a different balance [TS]

01:08:19   obviously you can go too far by [TS]

01:08:20   demonizing and making a treat or [TS]

01:08:22   whatever but bottom line is in the world [TS]

01:08:24   we live in unless you are Amish and live [TS]

01:08:26   away from everyone else and don't have [TS]

01:08:27   electricity there's nothing you can do [TS]

01:08:29   to stop your kids from learning to that [TS]

01:08:33   learning to use screens wanting to use [TS]

01:08:35   screens are going to be forced to use [TS]

01:08:36   the most schools even public schools [TS]

01:08:38   have integration with Google Docs and [TS]

01:08:40   stuff they're going to use computers [TS]

01:08:43   they're going to use smartphones they're [TS]

01:08:45   going to want a smartphone they're going [TS]

01:08:46   to get a smartphone eventually when [TS]

01:08:48   there [TS]

01:08:48   it's like there's nothing you can do to [TS]

01:08:49   stop them from it's like trying to stop [TS]

01:08:52   your kid from learning how the wheel [TS]

01:08:54   works like you can't do it like it's [TS]

01:08:57   going to happen so I don't much mind [TS]

01:08:59   people who have particular policies [TS]

01:09:01   about how long any activity should be [TS]

01:09:03   doing how long should we spend on [TS]

01:09:05   homework every night no screens after [TS]

01:09:08   8pm know bringing your cell phone into [TS]

01:09:11   your bedroom one hour using screen time [TS]

01:09:14   is every Ward using out there are many [TS]

01:09:16   things you can do to any activity to [TS]

01:09:19   demonize there to make it the forbidden [TS]

01:09:21   fruit or like it all really depends on [TS]

01:09:23   your kid like my parents never let us [TS]

01:09:25   have soda you would think all they had [TS]

01:09:26   soda from you when you become an adult [TS]

01:09:28   to be a soda fiend nope don't like it [TS]

01:09:30   don't have it right don't have any sort [TS]

01:09:32   of my house but I different kid being [TS]

01:09:34   raised in exactly the same way that I [TS]

01:09:36   was could have come out of that and say [TS]

01:09:37   oh my god as soon as I get to live a [TS]

01:09:39   mountain just breaks out all day [TS]

01:09:40   same exact parenting different kid so as [TS]

01:09:43   with everything in parenting they're [TS]

01:09:45   only a series of differently wrong [TS]

01:09:47   answers there's no right answer [TS]

01:09:49   you sure you don't have like 37 or so [TS]

01:09:53   tiny cans of sprite in your house i [TS]

01:09:55   think i still do have 37 you know why I [TS]

01:09:57   don't drink them [TS]

01:09:58   okay we're gonna have to check out there [TS]

01:10:00   still in the basement but believe me I [TS]

01:10:02   if I wanted them they would be gone like [TS]

01:10:05   the samoas were gone because those i do [TS]

01:10:07   want [TS]

01:10:08   alright thanks to our three sponsors [TS]

01:10:11   this week [TS]

01:10:12   Casper Harry's and amazon prime music [TS]

01:10:14   and you'll see you next week [TS]

01:10:17   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:10:22   mean to begin as it [TS]

01:10:25   that's a dental death was accidental [TS]

01:10:29   John racer Margo and Casey would like [TS]

01:10:34   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

01:10:39   and you can find the show know today [TS]

01:10:43   DP die and if your twitter follow them [TS]

01:10:50   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:10:56   co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

01:11:03   at Syracuse [TS]

01:11:18   not caramel Delites like some others [TS]

01:11:21   better firmly in this small camp since [TS]

01:11:25   Moses it there [TS]

01:11:25   they're good but they're just I think [TS]

01:11:27   there's a little bit too much coconut [TS]

01:11:28   too much coconut is all about the [TS]

01:11:30   coconut the smallest have darker [TS]

01:11:31   chocolate and then the coconuts roasted [TS]

01:11:33   a little bit darker tone and they're [TS]

01:11:34   actually around an octagon I don't [TS]

01:11:37   remember what these are certainly heard [TS]

01:11:38   of them but i know i don't like dark [TS]

01:11:39   chocolate terribly much I don't like [TS]

01:11:41   coconut terribly terribly much and I [TS]

01:11:43   don't like caramel terribly have this is [TS]

01:11:44   not that is not the cookie for you [TS]

01:11:45   no definitely not these are girl scout [TS]

01:11:47   cookies by the way oh yes that's right [TS]

01:11:49   you're not in America Girl Scouts as a [TS]

01:11:52   but how would you describe the Girl [TS]

01:11:54   Scouts the thing little girls go to [TS]

01:11:55   learn stuff that sounds dismissive but [TS]

01:11:59   it's actually a reasonable summary [TS]

01:12:01   yeah anyway they sell cookies to raise [TS]

01:12:04   money for their girl scouting and those [TS]

01:12:07   cookies are made by different [TS]

01:12:08   manufacturers and cookies that look [TS]

01:12:11   almost the same have different names and [TS]

01:12:13   are made in a by different makers in [TS]

01:12:15   different parts of the country and yeah [TS]

01:12:19   I I you would think it's like whatever [TS]

01:12:21   girl he grew grew up with those the ones [TS]

01:12:23   that you love but I don't think that's [TS]

01:12:25   entirely the case I think you just have [TS]

01:12:27   to a/b test every single one of the [TS]

01:12:29   cookies and see which version you like [TS]

01:12:31   it's not it's not a clear victory for [TS]

01:12:32   either one of the two manufacturers but [TS]

01:12:35   small was definitely there everyone kind [TS]

01:12:37   of like obsess over them but it's more [TS]

01:12:39   like an artificial scarcity situation [TS]

01:12:41   where like it only by the certain times [TS]

01:12:42   a year like that's like and the reality [TS]

01:12:45   is like almost all of them are delicious [TS]

01:12:47   because they're really sugary unhealthy [TS]

01:12:49   cookies like so of course it will be [TS]

01:12:51   delicious like people obsess over [TS]

01:12:52   certain flavors like I know I if I had [TS]

01:12:55   to get the most popular ones are [TS]

01:12:57   probably thin mints followed by samoas [TS]

01:12:59   and followed by those are the peanut [TS]

01:13:02   butter ones that the tagalogs tagalongs [TS]

01:13:04   I think they may have different names [TS]

01:13:07   those are very good too but there's not [TS]

01:13:09   much scarcity in my house i can tell you [TS]

01:13:10   the artificial scarcities like all the [TS]

01:13:12   only sold certain times the BBQ by a [TS]

01:13:14   billion boxes they never run out [TS]

01:13:16   so according to wikipedia it's thin [TS]

01:13:19   mints at twenty-five percent of the [TS]

01:13:20   sales [TS]

01:13:21   Wow caramel Delites I'm sorry some hours [TS]

01:13:24   my bad [TS]

01:13:25   same thing just different name samoas [TS]

01:13:27   are nineteen percent dough sedo's which [TS]

01:13:29   are peanut butter sandwiches are 16 [TS]

01:13:31   % and peanut butter patties which are [TS]

01:13:33   tagalongs are thirteen percent sure [TS]

01:13:36   which are the ones that is the the the [TS]

01:13:38   cookie and the peanut butter with [TS]

01:13:39   chocolate wrapped around it that's [TS]

01:13:40   tagalongs yeah those are good tagalogs [TS]

01:13:43   crispy crispy vanilla cookies layered [TS]

01:13:45   with peanut butter and covered it with a [TS]

01:13:46   chocolaty coating those cold are amazing [TS]

01:13:49   my particular favorite is the one that [TS]

01:13:51   nobody ever buys or like swishes [TS]

01:13:53   shortbread cookies which are trefoils [TS]

01:13:55   for truffles I'm not sure you pronounce [TS]

01:13:57   that but i like those yeah that's good i [TS]

01:13:59   love those [TS]

01:14:00   although i think i think all of them [TS]

01:14:02   like I don't know I'm my cookie snob now [TS]

01:14:05   I think all of them still basically it's [TS]

01:14:07   like pre packaged cookies like they do [TS]

01:14:10   the only ones that I think come close to [TS]

01:14:12   being elevated to the level of something [TS]

01:14:13   you might buy like a like a handmade [TS]

01:14:15   thing in a bakery or the samoas and even [TS]

01:14:17   those still more or less tastes like [TS]

01:14:19   just manufactured cookies that I and my [TS]

01:14:22   old age I get even more expensive tastes [TS]

01:14:24   and now it's not like handmade in the [TS]

01:14:28   end a bakery I'm gonna lie i kind of [TS]

01:14:31   like well I I think of in the sense of [TS]

01:14:34   do I want to spend my calories on this [TS]

01:14:36   cookie or do I want to spend it on the [TS]

01:14:39   most expensive ice cream i can possibly [TS]

01:14:41   by the ice cream was it was it was [TS]

01:14:45   incredible waste for facebook gelato [TS]

01:14:47   things in the hard plastic containers [TS]

01:14:49   who came up who came up with that idea I [TS]

01:14:51   I feel terrible everytime i buy one of [TS]

01:14:53   those terrible because they cost like [TS]

01:14:54   six blocks terrible because they come [TS]

01:14:55   with a hard plastic shell that I try to [TS]

01:14:57   find some reason to use in the house but [TS]

01:14:59   I don't put those in the dishwasher [TS]

01:15:01   yeah learn that he isn't guess maybe I'm [TS]

01:15:05   not maybe the kids will suffocate on [TS]

01:15:07   those like you put kids toys & them or [TS]

01:15:08   something or that the jar itself could [TS]

01:15:10   be a kid's toy but kids can really [TS]

01:15:11   suffocated on not be any we have we have [TS]

01:15:13   a few of them around the house like that [TS]

01:15:15   we've washed out and just like used for [TS]

01:15:16   containers but the problem is it's kind [TS]

01:15:18   of like you know those like when you [TS]

01:15:20   order thai food and you get like 45 [TS]

01:15:22   those black circular containers with the [TS]

01:15:25   quick like the translucent white lids [TS]

01:15:27   mmm [TS]

01:15:28   you know we for a while we would watch [TS]

01:15:30   those out and save them and reuse them [TS]

01:15:32   for things [TS]

01:15:32   yeah but the problem is like the rate at [TS]

01:15:34   which we would order thai food [TS]

01:15:35   dramatically outpaced the rate at which [TS]

01:15:37   we could find user reviews and we have a [TS]

01:15:39   similar problem with utility gelato [TS]

01:15:40   containers we probably empty you roughly [TS]

01:15:43   one or two of those a week so there's [TS]

01:15:46   basically no way we can find another use [TS]

01:15:48   for them around the house III said I [TS]

01:15:50   seriously I seriously don't buy that [TS]

01:15:51   because of the container like that [TS]

01:15:53   there's literally stopping me from [TS]

01:15:55   buying that product more right that and [TS]

01:15:57   a couple of their their flavors so I [TS]

01:15:59   feel I could be improved but that but I [TS]

01:16:00   i go to the store and I'm like I'm kind [TS]

01:16:02   of in the mood for that but I don't want [TS]

01:16:03   that container is it just feels wasteful [TS]

01:16:05   it's like speaking of buying take out [TS]

01:16:07   like when i get food from one of the [TS]

01:16:08   local Chinese would take out places and [TS]

01:16:10   I really give you like a giant styrofoam [TS]

01:16:12   container from the eighties Miami least [TS]

01:16:13   18 but it's just like a big white giant [TS]

01:16:16   thing of styrofoam this is not good for [TS]

01:16:17   the environment there maybe it's better [TS]

01:16:19   if I may be so made from like cornstarch [TS]

01:16:20   and stuff and it's not like the Bad star [TS]

01:16:22   from former your kids but it just feels [TS]

01:16:24   wasteful like yeah i know that's if the [TS]

01:16:27   people from delhi india are listening [TS]

01:16:29   make more environmentally friendly [TS]

01:16:32   containers and you'll sell more of your [TS]

01:16:33   incredibly overpriced ice cream to me [TS]

01:16:35   wait what is the name of this light [TS]

01:16:37   screen its twenty how do you spell that [TS]

01:16:39   tal enti ok so I'm actually like making [TS]

01:16:43   an environmental statement by buying ben [TS]

01:16:45   jerry's most of the time for myself [TS]

01:16:46   because tiff is a tip is mostly tool NT [TS]

01:16:49   i'm mostly ben jerry's you would you [TS]

01:16:52   would the Avengers has the docks and [TS]

01:16:55   sent bench you know the problem is like [TS]

01:16:57   I i am happy to try other ice creams but [TS]

01:17:01   ben & jerry's is it i just always go [TS]

01:17:03   back to that like it is just so much [TS]

01:17:05   better tasting to me than almost [TS]

01:17:06   everything else and not just any like [TS]

01:17:08   one particular flavor like just like [TS]

01:17:10   their base ice cream is better tasting [TS]

01:17:12   the most of them know that whatever [TS]

01:17:13   chemical they're putting in this is as [TS]

01:17:15   addicting you a guy I am I i do not i'm [TS]

01:17:19   not don't have a particular brand mildly [TS]

01:17:21   but I think haagen-dazs probably I think [TS]

01:17:24   I'm probably more into haagen-dazs the [TS]

01:17:25   most people at specific flavors but hard [TS]

01:17:28   as I feel like if you that who has the [TS]

01:17:30   best of analogy just have plain vanilla [TS]

01:17:32   ice cream [TS]

01:17:32   I think has the best vanilla yeah I go [TS]

01:17:35   with you on that and so so else almond [TS]

01:17:38   which is basically organized [TS]

01:17:39   Noah with a little chocolate covered [TS]

01:17:41   almonds is one of my favorite things [TS]

01:17:42   ever but Ben & Jerry's new york super [TS]

01:17:44   fudge chunk talking about has no flavor [TS]

01:17:46   that competes with that so I'm equal [TS]

01:17:49   opportunity overpriced ice cream eater [TS]

01:17:51   so I have a controversial opinion about [TS]

01:17:54   this and I'm surprised dryers dryers [TS]

01:17:58   slow churned low-fat vanilla ice cream [TS]

01:18:01   is the best Manolo found and i should [TS]

01:18:03   say that was a Bluebell I think it's [TS]

01:18:07   blue bell ice cream recently arrived in [TS]

01:18:09   Virginia which I think started somewhere [TS]

01:18:11   south of here and it was one of those [TS]

01:18:13   things like 12 cheerwine which doesn't [TS]

01:18:16   mean anything to you but to a [TS]

01:18:19   chick-fil-a is a better example so only [TS]

01:18:21   in South crawling northwards and every [TS]

01:18:24   or sonic is another great example and [TS]

01:18:28   everyone I knew had like known someone [TS]

01:18:31   that that had had Bluebell and swore [TS]

01:18:35   that it was the best ice cream in the [TS]

01:18:37   entire world and I've had a few flavors [TS]

01:18:41   of Bluebell I screen and I actually [TS]

01:18:42   don't find it to be particularly tasty [TS]

01:18:44   the dryer slow turn vanilla as stupid as [TS]

01:18:48   that sounds I mean hey I loved I coke so [TS]

01:18:50   I know everyone surprised love that I [TS]

01:18:53   think my only ice cream snobbery is and [TS]

01:18:56   it only extend so far is that I don't [TS]

01:18:58   like ice creams that have things in the [TS]

01:19:00   other than ice cream and i know ben & [TS]

01:19:02   jerry's falls into that category like it [TS]

01:19:04   doesn't you should just be like the old [TS]

01:19:06   briars commercial sudden I really do [TS]

01:19:07   like briars milk cream sugar they should [TS]

01:19:10   know camino guar gum there should be no [TS]

01:19:12   like other things and i know i know ben [TS]

01:19:14   & jerry's has those like it's another [TS]

01:19:15   reason i give a little bit of a noggin [TS]

01:19:17   target has them to some degree as well [TS]

01:19:19   but a lot of the non super premium [TS]

01:19:22   brands have all sorts of crazy ass [TS]

01:19:24   killers and then you can't stand them [TS]

01:19:26   no i mean like a haagen dazs is really [TS]

01:19:28   good for keeping the ingredient [TS]

01:19:30   countdown but usually only for their [TS]

01:19:32   basic flavors like once you have like [TS]

01:19:34   you know fillings and like you know like [TS]

01:19:36   other objects in the ice cream like [TS]

01:19:38   almonds and stuff or you know or the [TS]

01:19:39   flavors get more complicated that [TS]

01:19:41   ingredient was climbs pretty fast and to [TS]

01:19:44   follow briefly i'm on Casey's Bluebell [TS]

01:19:46   thing i have not tried Bluebell but i [TS]

01:19:49   have tried jen use which is i believe [TS]

01:19:52   the Ohio [TS]

01:19:53   version its je mi casa es this is like [TS]

01:19:56   it's also like like a boutique ice cream [TS]

01:19:58   maker and you can have to order them to [TS]

01:20:00   be shipped to you in a frozen box [TS]

01:20:02   I and I had them originally in a store [TS]

01:20:05   in Ohio and i was visiting their few [TS]

01:20:08   years back and it in the stores are just [TS]

01:20:11   amazing their flavors that are really [TS]

01:20:14   weird and so we ordered them like one [TS]

01:20:16   time like first from spending [TS]

01:20:17   Valentine's Day if you a couple years [TS]

01:20:19   ago we ordered some like a Zach to treat [TS]

01:20:20   ourselves and so I kind of try to bring [TS]

01:20:22   back the experience of going to the [TS]

01:20:23   stores and when you order little pints [TS]

01:20:26   of of premium ice cream to be shipped to [TS]

01:20:28   you in a truck [TS]

01:20:30   it gets pretty expensive it ended up [TS]

01:20:32   being something like eight or ten [TS]

01:20:34   dollars a pint [TS]

01:20:35   so you know and and it just wasn't it [TS]

01:20:37   like some of the flavors were great some [TS]

01:20:40   of them were just kind of weird so just [TS]

01:20:41   like it wasn't really worth it if you if [TS]

01:20:44   you can go to jenny's store i recommend [TS]

01:20:45   it but i would not recommend ordering [TS]

01:20:47   fancy ice cream on the internet it's [TS]

01:20:49   just not worth it [TS]

01:20:50   that's our dryer is a as I I don't not [TS]

01:20:53   that familiar with that name but looking [TS]

01:20:55   at the packaging I'm like that song of [TS]

01:20:56   the ones that cellar I can't find the [TS]

01:20:58   ingredients list for your particular [TS]

01:20:59   slow churned thing but dryers grande [TS]

01:21:01   vanilla bean milk cream sugar skim milk [TS]

01:21:04   looking good so far corn syrup cellulose [TS]

01:21:06   gum mono and diglycerides not good [TS]

01:21:09   guar gum dextrose like lots of I don't [TS]

01:21:13   need all that crap you can you can make [TS]

01:21:14   good ice cream with just milk cream and [TS]

01:21:16   sugar and vanilla bean like that dykey [TS]

01:21:19   Marco said ben jerry's does it too [TS]

01:21:21   I know they'll do it as soon as you [TS]

01:21:22   start adding like feeling like oh this [TS]

01:21:24   heath bars in here he's borrowed just [TS]

01:21:25   full of crap like obviously and i go [TS]

01:21:27   ingredients list because guess what [TS]

01:21:28   these bars in there even just the sugar [TS]

01:21:29   always has some weird stuff in it but uh [TS]

01:21:32   I try to try to limit that's why I've [TS]

01:21:34   always been a briars friend that priors [TS]

01:21:36   for the most part especially if you [TS]

01:21:38   don't do like extra creamy or light or [TS]

01:21:41   any other type of thing where they need [TS]

01:21:43   to add fillers to try to make the [TS]

01:21:44   texture back to normal [TS]

01:21:45   you just buy plain old full fat ice [TS]

01:21:47   cream or make it yourself we have a nice [TS]

01:21:49   Commission to make it occasionally it [TS]

01:21:50   like seriously you just need you just [TS]

01:21:53   need milk cream sugar and it makes ice [TS]

01:21:55   cream and is really good and vanilla [TS]

01:21:56   beans so there's no reason for anything [TS]

01:21:58   else unless you start taking stuff out [TS]

01:21:59   or [TS]

01:22:00   want to make it seem creamier than it [TS]

01:22:02   actually is this was from a grocery [TS]

01:22:04   store [TS]

01:22:04   this is for my slow churned vanilla bean [TS]

01:22:07   nonfat milk cream sugar corn syrup when [TS]

01:22:09   I think that at this point I'm out [TS]

01:22:11   that's all it takes the corn syrup is [TS]

01:22:13   all right now I mean you know it's sure [TS]

01:22:15   but you keep going on this is that other [TS]

01:22:17   fillers that I think more objectionable [TS]

01:22:18   corn syrup whey protein buttermilk [TS]

01:22:22   molasses acacia gum carob bean gum guar [TS]

01:22:26   gum natural flavors grande vanilla beans [TS]

01:22:28   and whoa carrageenan yeah that's that [TS]

01:22:33   there's the red stuff to squeeze out of [TS]

01:22:34   bed bugs weird that's kind of gross [TS]

01:22:37   anyway that's the entire ingredient list [TS]

01:22:40   so does that's real time follow-up [TS]

01:22:43   Carradine and is from edible red seaweed [TS]

01:22:45   not from red bugs the different thing [TS]

01:22:47   that comes from red bugs important [TS]

01:22:49   research on a TV that that's that's too [TS]

01:22:52   much try breyers vanilla and to see what [TS]

01:22:54   you're missing [TS]

01:22:54   I'm sure it's good and i'm not saying [TS]

01:22:56   that this is the best ever but this is [TS]

01:22:58   like my go-to ice cream and partially [TS]

01:23:00   because it is slightly lower fat but you [TS]

01:23:02   can change your go-to ice cream right [TS]

01:23:04   that I could I could you could start [TS]

01:23:06   drinking sprite you know I mean Saturn [TS]

01:23:08   used to be your go-to car right [TS]

01:23:10   oh those were the days til the wheels [TS]

01:23:12   fell off yeah it was great car until [TS]

01:23:14   then great stereos who [TS]