The Accidental Tech Podcast

172: iPhone X


00:00:00   I just want to let everyone know that I [TS]

00:00:01   remain unsatisfied well i mean i think [TS]

00:00:04   everyone always knows that yeah that's a [TS]

00:00:05   given I know but like more than usual [TS]

00:00:08   it may be too late by the time you're [TS]

00:00:11   hearing these words to order a t-shirts [TS]

00:00:13   so if you were even vaguely thinking [TS]

00:00:17   about me i might one of these delightful [TS]

00:00:19   wonderful shirts now is the time to [TS]

00:00:22   order or actually may not even be the [TS]

00:00:24   time to order you may have already [TS]

00:00:25   missed the boat so if you are interested [TS]

00:00:28   in either of our two shirts go to ATP [TS]

00:00:31   dot FM / shirt and hopefully for you it [TS]

00:00:34   sometime friday i think our time it's [TS]

00:00:39   not my field it expires sometime in the [TS]

00:00:41   friday to saturday transition I forget [TS]

00:00:42   exactly when midnight Eastern i believe [TS]

00:00:45   okay there you go if you're listening to [TS]

00:00:46   this right now and it is not yet [TS]

00:00:48   saturday and you want to shirt stop [TS]

00:00:50   everything pause the show go get you a [TS]

00:00:52   shirt and to the many many many people [TS]

00:00:55   who have already bought a shirt or [TS]

00:00:56   sweatshirt or what-have-you thank you we [TS]

00:00:58   really appreciate it [TS]

00:00:59   cool thanks everybody we'll see you next [TS]

00:01:02   week [TS]

00:01:03   goodness right so I i tweeted earlier [TS]

00:01:07   today that we would have a show without [TS]

00:01:09   photo I didn't say we'd have to show [TS]

00:01:10   that followed but at that point earlier [TS]

00:01:12   today we had we did not yet have [TS]

00:01:14   follow-up and here it is just a few [TS]

00:01:17   scant hours later and we have follow-up [TS]

00:01:19   about new macbook pros we had evolved it [TS]

00:01:21   just wasn't written into the thing it so [TS]

00:01:22   you had follow follow up it just it just [TS]

00:01:25   expanded it's like hard drive space and [TS]

00:01:27   wedding planning it expands into [TS]

00:01:28   whatever space is available for it to [TS]

00:01:31   expand into the end crap in your attic [TS]

00:01:33   right well John's adequately likely [TS]

00:01:36   knighted somatic cleaning actually the [TS]

00:01:37   the other weekend I i must have got rid [TS]

00:01:40   of I don't know 40 boxes of stuff and [TS]

00:01:43   some boxes of not stuff that's a lot [TS]

00:01:46   I'm supposed your house has been falling [TS]

00:01:47   down what do you have more of boxes of [TS]

00:01:49   stuff in the attic or browser tabs open [TS]

00:01:51   right now boxes automatic no contest [TS]

00:01:55   I'm slightly surprised to be honest with [TS]

00:01:57   you okay i mean so if if you are able to [TS]

00:01:59   get rid of 40 like how many do you think [TS]

00:02:01   are still they are mean is this is the [TS]

00:02:03   low-hanging fruit I'm going for [TS]

00:02:04   like you know the modems okay it's not [TS]

00:02:09   easy to get rid of those are we talking [TS]

00:02:11   like surfboard or us robotics now now [TS]

00:02:15   boy [TS]

00:02:16   28 modems 56k modems 14-4 modems at [TS]

00:02:22   least are the RAK 56 flex over the ax to [TS]

00:02:25   their the witch one more than I think [TS]

00:02:28   they were the Flex 1i remember those [TS]

00:02:30   competing standards I'm think I didn't [TS]

00:02:32   look too closely the box we were next to [TS]

00:02:34   family that we were all about the x2 [TS]

00:02:37   because that's what our isp set us said [TS]

00:02:39   we should be I think x2 was was the [TS]

00:02:41   superior one until they merge the two [TS]

00:02:43   into the v90 whatever that was [TS]

00:02:45   yeah yeah maybe that's what I had when [TS]

00:02:47   they finally settled that thing we do [TS]

00:02:50   lots of boxes of stuff a lot of these [TS]

00:02:51   boxes didn't have anything in them [TS]

00:02:52   anymore some of them did and the things [TS]

00:02:54   in them weren't worth much [TS]

00:02:56   yeah a lot of empty boxes or someone [TS]

00:03:00   empty boxes someone just had cables on [TS]

00:03:01   boxes for old hard drives are driving [TS]

00:03:03   closures the easy things to get rid of [TS]

00:03:05   but it was a lot there's all these boxes [TS]

00:03:07   were flattened know and you will you [TS]

00:03:09   want to make sure that when you sell [TS]

00:03:10   your 28k 56 flex modem doesn't make [TS]

00:03:14   sense [TS]

00:03:14   you want to make sure that you have the [TS]

00:03:16   original box so that you get the maximum [TS]

00:03:18   price for it [TS]

00:03:19   well that's the way things are stored in [TS]

00:03:22   my attic is in their boxes don't get rid [TS]

00:03:24   of the boxes until I ever to think for [TS]

00:03:25   the most part but think about how much [TS]

00:03:27   more old computer garbage you could [TS]

00:03:29   store you're adding if you weren't also [TS]

00:03:30   storing the boxes i don't know if that's [TS]

00:03:33   true because they with all the loose [TS]

00:03:35   cables and everything and I just think [TS]

00:03:37   they can pack them in better like a [TS]

00:03:38   Tetris puzzle if they're all kind of [TS]

00:03:40   rectal in here [TS]

00:03:41   good anyway I got rid of a lot of stuff [TS]

00:03:45   and then getting rid of so much stuff [TS]

00:03:46   and seeing that the the bags and bags [TS]

00:03:48   full of styrofoam that you know you can [TS]

00:03:51   really compress and then the stacks and [TS]

00:03:52   stacks of flattened cardboard boxes and [TS]

00:03:54   then looking back at the attic and [TS]

00:03:56   realizing it looks like stuff has been [TS]

00:03:57   removed but not that much stuff but I [TS]

00:04:00   got a long way to go [TS]

00:04:02   like I can't believe your house hasn't [TS]

00:04:04   imploded under the weight that you're [TS]

00:04:06   putting into the Attic [TS]

00:04:07   yeah I thought about how much that stuff [TS]

00:04:09   is way up there so it's pretty heavy [TS]

00:04:12   hey wait can we solve multiple problems [TS]

00:04:13   here can you take some of the flattened [TS]

00:04:16   cardboard boxes of old computer [TS]

00:04:17   equipment [TS]

00:04:18   you've taken out of your attic and make [TS]

00:04:19   interior door trim with it for your [TS]

00:04:21   front door already recycled too late for [TS]

00:04:25   that that time have to wait till you get [TS]

00:04:27   more modems yeah actually you know us [TS]

00:04:31   robotics extra motives were about the [TS]

00:04:32   right shape to be like molding if you [TS]

00:04:35   line them all up you know that's fair [TS]

00:04:36   point don't have that many the sports [TS]

00:04:38   stars [TS]

00:04:39   yeah I i remember you get at the time I [TS]

00:04:41   didn't think of it that way but there [TS]

00:04:42   was something oddly satisfying about [TS]

00:04:44   hearing that god-awful no handshaking [TS]

00:04:47   sound like today is so much better in [TS]

00:04:49   every measurable way but like that that [TS]

00:04:51   light a amount of stress that you had is [TS]

00:04:54   this gonna work am I gonna get the full [TS]

00:04:56   no 56k oh god it did fell down on the [TS]

00:04:59   56k negotiation so we're back to stupid [TS]

00:05:01   animal on the first thing i did and in [TS]

00:05:04   my 80 whatever its strings turn off that [TS]

00:05:06   sound come on people [TS]

00:05:08   I don't need to hear that my camera [TS]

00:05:10   frustrates me that i can't remember what [TS]

00:05:11   that was what was the code for turning [TS]

00:05:13   off the sound and 80s was it what was [TS]

00:05:16   that whole protocol call was at the haze [TS]

00:05:18   command center is it something yeah yeah [TS]

00:05:20   yeah no I actually had to leave my [TS]

00:05:22   speaker on constantly because we only [TS]

00:05:25   have one phone line and everybody would [TS]

00:05:28   always call it a nice talk to my mom and [TS]

00:05:31   so I was only allowed to you took time [TS]

00:05:33   off the phone line if I left call [TS]

00:05:35   waiting on and would leave the modem [TS]

00:05:37   speaker on constantly with special [TS]

00:05:39   config string today to set it to the [TS]

00:05:41   higher-level unlike john says to like [TS]

00:05:43   number two or whatever that keeps it on [TS]

00:05:44   the entire time so just always hearing [TS]

00:05:47   static when I was online and I did when [TS]

00:05:48   I would hear call waiting beeps have to [TS]

00:05:50   go flip off the power to modem so to [TS]

00:05:51   hang up immediately and then take the [TS]

00:05:53   phone and then just go do something else [TS]

00:05:54   for a while my mom's on the phone [TS]

00:05:56   fun yeah good times [TS]

00:06:00   cod world in any case we should talk [TS]

00:06:03   about what you're intending to talk [TS]

00:06:04   about which is new macbook pros [TS]

00:06:05   apparently there is going to be [TS]

00:06:09   something funky with the FN key row but [TS]

00:06:12   it may actually be only one screen and [TS]

00:06:14   not individual screens on the individual [TS]

00:06:17   buttons like we were perhaps led to [TS]

00:06:18   believe I don't know what to make of [TS]

00:06:21   this and i feel like my thoughts really [TS]

00:06:22   changed since last week it could be good [TS]

00:06:24   this doesn't strike me as it's fixing a [TS]

00:06:26   problem i have in my life but you never [TS]

00:06:28   know with Apple sometimes they come up [TS]

00:06:29   with things you don't know you need so [TS]

00:06:31   and his parts like Sarah legit it [TS]

00:06:33   definitely looks like one big long [TS]

00:06:35   screen and not a bunch of Optimus [TS]

00:06:38   keyboard style individual cases greens [TS]

00:06:40   on which I'm very disappointed about so [TS]

00:06:42   I had my hopes up from last week but [TS]

00:06:43   that's what it was going to be but boy [TS]

00:06:45   looking at these parts leaks you see [TS]

00:06:46   little place where probably like a touch [TS]

00:06:48   ID sensor or the connector for things [TS]

00:06:50   going to be in the part where ribbon [TS]

00:06:51   cable exits in a big long channel looks [TS]

00:06:54   like it's going to be for a big long [TS]

00:06:55   screen [TS]

00:06:56   the only thing i can think of that now [TS]

00:06:57   I'm trying to convince myself that this [TS]

00:06:59   is not as bad as i think by saying well [TS]

00:07:00   I could show notifications on it or [TS]

00:07:03   something could scroll across there i [TS]

00:07:06   don't know the other thing I was getting [TS]

00:07:09   my hopes up about was like if I was [TS]

00:07:10   thinking about a key caps maybe they [TS]

00:07:12   could be e ink so they wouldn't take any [TS]

00:07:13   power because keycaps a kind of [TS]

00:07:14   monochrome to and I would be like classy [TS]

00:07:16   but it really looks like it's going to [TS]

00:07:18   be a big long skinny screen again if [TS]

00:07:20   these things are to be believed but this [TS]

00:07:23   close to announcement date it's [TS]

00:07:26   reasonable her farts to leak is look [TS]

00:07:29   semi legitimate i'm kind of sad [TS]

00:07:32   yeah now the tipster is saying in the [TS]

00:07:34   chat that's just the amount of things [TS]

00:07:35   sits in [TS]

00:07:36   we'll see that's not I mean from to my [TS]

00:07:38   eye that is not at all what it looked [TS]

00:07:39   like [TS]

00:07:40   but it's so hard to say with these like [TS]

00:07:41   terrible pictures that clearly were [TS]

00:07:44   taken knows what sort of 14 [TS]

00:07:47   surreptitiously something like that [TS]

00:07:48   taking illicitly if you will and so it's [TS]

00:07:51   hard to tell the other thing with these [TS]

00:07:53   pictures is like you know if you if you [TS]

00:07:56   look at me like tips was also kind of [TS]

00:07:57   arguing whether this might be the the [TS]

00:07:59   13-inch macbook which you know last week [TS]

00:08:01   we talked about this is this rumor in [TS]

00:08:04   the middle of like the big long sentence [TS]

00:08:05   of the report was also a 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:08:08   one that we didn't talk about it all [TS]

00:08:11   that's what it's worth it's worth [TS]

00:08:13   mentioning [TS]

00:08:14   and then the there's some speculation in [TS]

00:08:16   the chat that I think is is possibly [TS]

00:08:18   warranted hear that the these leaked [TS]

00:08:20   photos may have been that 13-inch [TS]

00:08:23   macbook not 13-inch macbook pro and [TS]

00:08:26   there's a few things support that you [TS]

00:08:28   know first of all the people and trying [TS]

00:08:29   to figure out like you is this [TS]

00:08:30   impossibly thin for the kind of cooling [TS]

00:08:33   system that an i5 would need but what I [TS]

00:08:36   spotted earlier when I saw these photos [TS]

00:08:38   it only has the four USB seaports [TS]

00:08:41   there's no other ports and so that would [TS]

00:08:44   mean dropping some [TS]

00:08:44   ports that are on the current 13-inch [TS]

00:08:46   also it would mean dropping the magsafe [TS]

00:08:49   port and while it is possible to charge [TS]

00:08:52   things through USB pd into a USBC port [TS]

00:08:54   like with the macbook one does [TS]

00:08:56   there's a limit to how much current that [TS]

00:08:58   can actually deliver and I think once [TS]

00:09:01   you get into like the the 15-inch [TS]

00:09:03   macbook pro with its external GPU I [TS]

00:09:05   think you're probably pushing that [TS]

00:09:07   limits its probably I'm guessing the [TS]

00:09:09   15-inch probably still has magsafe and [TS]

00:09:12   then if the 15 inches still has it the [TS]

00:09:14   13-inch should probably have a two [TS]

00:09:15   because they're built very similarly and [TS]

00:09:17   share a lot of similar features and [TS]

00:09:19   ports and capabilities and everything so [TS]

00:09:21   I'm guessing that the the speculation [TS]

00:09:25   that this part is actually the 13-inch [TS]

00:09:26   macbook one is probably correct because [TS]

00:09:29   that presumably would be able to be [TS]

00:09:31   charged through USBC just like the look [TS]

00:09:34   the 12-inch MacBook one or this will be [TS]

00:09:37   more likely to and you know we can [TS]

00:09:39   speculate also about what the heck [TS]

00:09:40   13-inch macbook one might include and [TS]

00:09:43   what what why that would be necessary [TS]

00:09:45   when there's also a new thinner lighter [TS]

00:09:48   13-inch macbook pro but overall looking [TS]

00:09:51   at these photos I'd say it is fairly [TS]

00:09:55   likely that we're looking at 13-inch [TS]

00:09:56   macbook one enclosure not 13 macbook pro [TS]

00:09:59   enclosure [TS]

00:09:59   however that said I agree with John [TS]

00:10:01   Casey I agree that if these are [TS]

00:10:04   legitimate parts which they look like [TS]

00:10:06   they probably are [TS]

00:10:07   and this would be you know a reasonable [TS]

00:10:09   time to be leaking I'm guessing that [TS]

00:10:12   this is real and that you're right about [TS]

00:10:16   the keyboard row that the FN key rocher [TS]

00:10:19   does look like it's gonna be just one [TS]

00:10:20   big screen and if you think about one [TS]

00:10:22   other detail to the these rumors all [TS]

00:10:24   said these are supposed to have touch ID [TS]

00:10:27   at least the macbook pro we don't [TS]

00:10:28   Michael on these are supposed to have [TS]

00:10:30   touch ID where do you put the sensor [TS]

00:10:33   there is really no we're on the keyboard [TS]

00:10:36   to put it you might be able to put in [TS]

00:10:38   the trackpad but that it you know just [TS]

00:10:41   is that even possible without messing up [TS]

00:10:44   the track pad sensor I don't even know I [TS]

00:10:45   thought there was a patent for that [TS]

00:10:48   well there could be yeah there's lots of [TS]

00:10:49   its patented never actually sure [TS]

00:10:50   practically showing products but only so [TS]

00:10:53   that it might be possible but you know [TS]

00:10:55   for now I know we don't know if it's [TS]

00:10:56   there i'm guessing them [TS]

00:10:58   a sensible place to put it is probably [TS]

00:11:01   on you know if that's gonna be one big [TS]

00:11:03   flatscreen probably just like on the on [TS]

00:11:06   the right side of that or something you [TS]

00:11:07   know it's an area of that is actually [TS]

00:11:10   touch ID sensor and not a screen but it [TS]

00:11:11   just looks and maybe just like look [TS]

00:11:13   straight black across the whole thing [TS]

00:11:14   looks unified but it's actually like [TS]

00:11:15   this part of screen this parts of sensor [TS]

00:11:18   you know if you think about where else [TS]

00:11:20   you put the touch ID sensor there's not [TS]

00:11:21   really a lot of other good places that [TS]

00:11:23   are plausible so i'm guessing it's there [TS]

00:11:26   and then if you're going to have one [TS]

00:11:27   area of that b-flat to be a touch ID [TS]

00:11:30   sensor and not be a key it would look [TS]

00:11:33   weird if there were a whole bunch of [TS]

00:11:35   keys next to it and the keys and like [TS]

00:11:37   one key with short of the right side it [TS]

00:11:39   connects the flat area there so it's [TS]

00:11:41   probably gonna be all screen across the [TS]

00:11:43   whole thing [TS]

00:11:44   yeah i'm not i'm not sure what to make [TS]

00:11:46   of this but I am excited and and I think [TS]

00:11:48   it's worth recognizing that this [TS]

00:11:49   hopefully will be something new in [TS]

00:11:52   different about the macbook line for the [TS]

00:11:54   macbook pro line and we haven't really [TS]

00:11:56   seen that much different in a long time [TS]

00:11:59   I mean there's certainly been [TS]

00:11:59   incremental improvements and I love my [TS]

00:12:02   work macbook pro and God do I love my 5k [TS]

00:12:05   imac but this is something new and [TS]

00:12:07   exciting and different and I kind of [TS]

00:12:09   like that we're trying something new and [TS]

00:12:10   it's not just the ones at the titanium [TS]

00:12:12   powerbook whatever that kind of started [TS]

00:12:15   this whole unibody look it's not a [TS]

00:12:17   continuation of that just another you [TS]

00:12:19   know photocopy or perhaps slightly [TS]

00:12:22   shrunken version of that it's something [TS]

00:12:23   that's a little bit different and that's [TS]

00:12:25   exciting [TS]

00:12:26   so what do you think this is the 13-inch [TS]

00:12:28   macbook one it's not wedge-shaped isn't [TS]

00:12:30   that kind of the signifier of that of [TS]

00:12:33   the sort of ultraportable macbook one [TS]

00:12:35   line is that it would be wedge-shaped i [TS]

00:12:37   don't know i mean what would have [TS]

00:12:39   13-inch macbook one before you know if [TS]

00:12:41   you think about like bigger screen [TS]

00:12:43   ok bigger screen but then what what what [TS]

00:12:46   could differentiate it [TS]

00:12:47   what could justify existing compared to [TS]

00:12:49   just 13 inch macbook pro which at which [TS]

00:12:51   the new version will probably be almost [TS]

00:12:53   than light as the current 13-inch [TS]

00:12:55   macbook air so like why why does that [TS]

00:12:58   product need to exist and i have a hard [TS]

00:13:01   time answering my question honestly [TS]

00:13:02   whatever wimpy wimpy your cpu maybe you [TS]

00:13:05   could still be fanless they could put [TS]

00:13:06   the like the fastest of the fanless cpus [TS]

00:13:09   in there giving more battery because [TS]

00:13:10   it's bigger and [TS]

00:13:11   a bigger screen i don't know i mean that [TS]

00:13:13   if I'm trying to think of that when I [TS]

00:13:14   picture a macbook one since it's only [TS]

00:13:16   been one model line in that you know one [TS]

00:13:19   physical shape for that model line I [TS]

00:13:21   think of a kind of like the areas where [TS]

00:13:23   there was 11 chair and the 13 chair and [TS]

00:13:25   they're both here shaped and the 13-inch [TS]

00:13:28   had a bigger screen and more battery [TS]

00:13:30   life but otherwise not much [TS]

00:13:31   differentiation [TS]

00:13:32   I mean what if it's for price you know [TS]

00:13:34   what if what if this is how they [TS]

00:13:36   eventually replace the macbook air is by [TS]

00:13:39   just making these like cheaper more [TS]

00:13:41   limited computers at the low end and [TS]

00:13:43   then the macbook pro is is the [TS]

00:13:45   profitable one [TS]

00:13:46   ya see ya in a little picture they show [TS]

00:13:49   you can see the little connector in the [TS]

00:13:51   upper right which I imagined like there [TS]

00:13:53   has to be connector for the screen right [TS]

00:13:54   yeah I suppose you can have the same [TS]

00:13:56   connector for both the screen the touch [TS]

00:13:58   ID but there's also a little opening on [TS]

00:13:59   the left side that like a ribbon cable [TS]

00:14:01   could go through so if the ribbon cable [TS]

00:14:03   connects to the screen that could be all [TS]

00:14:05   the screens to the connector which would [TS]

00:14:07   lead leave that thing on the right tree [TS]

00:14:08   for touch ID but also the left side just [TS]

00:14:11   looks like a physical mounting point to [TS]

00:14:13   me but I don't know what I mean who [TS]

00:14:15   knows what we will probably hopefully [TS]

00:14:17   know soon enough from apple but but yeah [TS]

00:14:20   I i think if it's if it's the macbook [TS]

00:14:22   pro the image the 13-inch macbook pro [TS]

00:14:24   then you know [TS]

00:14:26   ok then then it makes I think it makes [TS]

00:14:28   more sense that way honestly even though [TS]

00:14:30   we'd lose you lose some of the ports and [TS]

00:14:32   things are on the current one and some [TS]

00:14:33   people get mad [TS]

00:14:34   well that's what Apple's best that is [TS]

00:14:36   angry people who like the old laptop so [TS]

00:14:37   you know that it in the name of business [TS]

00:14:40   before four USB seaports that's a really [TS]

00:14:43   pretty big number for apple and I think [TS]

00:14:45   you can do a lot with four USB ports [TS]

00:14:47   like just one of those ports you can do [TS]

00:14:50   a lot with a bunch of adapters but [TS]

00:14:51   having for the means you're probably not [TS]

00:14:53   going to run out of ports you may be in [TS]

00:14:55   Northeast have to carry a bunch of [TS]

00:14:56   adapters around but I think for them is [TS]

00:14:59   enough for a 13-inch because you can do [TS]

00:15:02   pretty much anything from any one of [TS]

00:15:03   those points you have a monitor USB [TS]

00:15:05   thumb drive an ethernet cable and an [TS]

00:15:09   external hard drive and I feel like that [TS]

00:15:11   that is plenty of things hanging off of [TS]

00:15:13   and you connect so much more for just [TS]

00:15:15   one of those if you have like a [TS]

00:15:16   thunderbolt breakout box or never [TS]

00:15:18   yeah exactly and then that also this one [TS]

00:15:20   of the biggest things I'm looking [TS]

00:15:21   forward to the USBC Thunderbolt three [TS]

00:15:23   transition because you know we find [TS]

00:15:25   only will have liked more assuming that [TS]

00:15:27   these are real assuming the laptops at [TS]

00:15:29   least some of them are getting four [TS]

00:15:31   ports total i would love to have four [TS]

00:15:33   USB port on my laptop I'm always running [TS]

00:15:35   I'm always using like both of mine [TS]

00:15:36   usually like at least one of them is [TS]

00:15:38   charging something or something else [TS]

00:15:39   like I'm always using those when i [TS]

00:15:41   travel so that be I you know I'm looking [TS]

00:15:43   forward to the future but I do wonder [TS]

00:15:45   like it it's such a weird wild cards [TS]

00:15:48   like you know it assuming this is the [TS]

00:15:50   13-inch macbook one and not 13-inch [TS]

00:15:51   macbook pro how why they justify having [TS]

00:15:54   four ports on the 13 inch version of [TS]

00:15:56   this computer where the 12 inch version [TS]

00:15:58   has one you know it's just weird it's [TS]

00:16:00   like this is a weird leak of what [TS]

00:16:03   appears to be a very like a product that [TS]

00:16:06   raises a lot of questions that might end [TS]

00:16:08   up being awesome whatever it is but but [TS]

00:16:10   they did certainly certainly raises a [TS]

00:16:13   lot of questions still has a headphone [TS]

00:16:15   port 21 like the rumored iphone well [TS]

00:16:18   doesn't it is your right [TS]

00:16:19   yeah yes I know it's at the weird thing [TS]

00:16:21   to me is the dropping of the magsafe in [TS]

00:16:23   this in this kind of enclosure like if [TS]

00:16:25   it's if it's big enough and high-powered [TS]

00:16:27   enough to have four USB ports and no [TS]

00:16:30   magsafe then you know that it's charging [TS]

00:16:32   through this then and if that can do it [TS]

00:16:34   then why then could the 15-inch also do [TS]

00:16:36   it i don't know i don't know it's a [TS]

00:16:38   whole bunch of questions here but I [TS]

00:16:39   don't like this this is looking like [TS]

00:16:41   it's going to it's going to be a pretty [TS]

00:16:43   great update as to why this one's not [TS]

00:16:45   tapered I commend whatever decision led [TS]

00:16:49   to this not being tapered because I [TS]

00:16:52   don't always go for it to ya but I'm [TS]

00:16:54   just saying like if I have to think of [TS]

00:16:55   what defines the macbook one line it's [TS]

00:16:57   like not only is it so insanely thin but [TS]

00:17:00   there wasn't enough that they have to [TS]

00:17:01   make one edge like it then enough to [TS]

00:17:02   slice cheese [TS]

00:17:03   well also you know keep it you know get [TS]

00:17:05   account so much what I said last episode [TS]

00:17:07   about like kind of defending deep [TS]

00:17:09   keyboards because keyboards away almost [TS]

00:17:11   nothing in laptops Joey when you're when [TS]

00:17:14   you're defining like the the thickness [TS]

00:17:16   of the laptop your limited really by how [TS]

00:17:19   much you know how to wait you're willing [TS]

00:17:21   to devote to battery basically because [TS]

00:17:23   batteries are generally like one of the [TS]

00:17:24   heaviest things inside of modern [TS]

00:17:26   computing devices it might be heaviest [TS]

00:17:28   thing depending on the device and so and [TS]

00:17:30   the way you make computers thinner and [TS]

00:17:32   lighter is not by just like putting the [TS]

00:17:34   case in half and saying all right now [TS]

00:17:36   just kind of shove everything in tighter [TS]

00:17:37   I mean that's part of it but the way you [TS]

00:17:39   make them thinner and lighter is you [TS]

00:17:41   first make them lighter by removing [TS]

00:17:43   battery and you remove battery by [TS]

00:17:45   removing the need for as much batteries [TS]

00:17:47   you had before but usually comes in [TS]

00:17:49   power advancements in how much power the [TS]

00:17:51   screen and processor both draw usually [TS]

00:17:53   processors bigger one but anyway so easy [TS]

00:17:56   ideas you know you you develop [TS]

00:17:58   technology you develop savings you [TS]

00:18:00   figure out a way to make the processor [TS]

00:18:01   and everything else use less power then [TS]

00:18:04   you need less less battery mass in there [TS]

00:18:06   to achieve the same better life you had [TS]

00:18:08   before to achieve a people consider [TS]

00:18:09   acceptable so then you can shrink the [TS]

00:18:12   battery and then you can kind of shrink [TS]

00:18:13   the case around it like now you have [TS]

00:18:15   recently card how how thin community can [TS]

00:18:18   make this case that only has to hold X [TS]

00:18:21   amount of battery plus it with the other [TS]

00:18:22   parts I think the reason the macbook one [TS]

00:18:24   is as thin as it is and and the reason [TS]

00:18:27   it's wedge-shaped is because they were [TS]

00:18:29   probably first targeting a weight goal [TS]

00:18:31   because that makes more sense you know [TS]

00:18:32   it's like okay well now [TS]

00:18:34   Intel's making this new 5-watt cpu that [TS]

00:18:36   so we can make a family and everything [TS]

00:18:37   so if we make computer that's small [TS]

00:18:39   enough with a smaller screen it uses the [TS]

00:18:41   cpu it will only need this little tiny [TS]

00:18:44   amount of battery inside so then how do [TS]

00:18:46   you make the thinnest case possible to [TS]

00:18:48   contain these parts and they had to [TS]

00:18:50   still have some even though it's very [TS]

00:18:53   little some room for a keyboard in there [TS]

00:18:55   so but he didn't need the wrist rest [TS]

00:18:58   area was filled with battery didn't need [TS]

00:19:00   it to be any thicker because any thicker [TS]

00:19:03   and they would just been empty space or [TS]

00:19:05   more battery driven the weight up in [TS]

00:19:07   which they didn't want so you make the [TS]

00:19:09   front of it as thin as it can be also [TS]

00:19:10   love my battery and make the back of it [TS]

00:19:12   as thick as it needs to be to fit the [TS]

00:19:14   keyboard and the other parts and that's [TS]

00:19:16   how you get a wedge-shaped so they [TS]

00:19:17   weren't they weren't necessarily [TS]

00:19:18   targeting the wedge they did the wedge [TS]

00:19:21   because they just didn't need any more [TS]

00:19:23   space in the front half of the laptop so [TS]

00:19:25   if this you know that if this part is [TS]

00:19:26   real and this is actually a member of [TS]

00:19:28   the macbook one line and not the macbook [TS]

00:19:30   pro line it certainly raises the [TS]

00:19:31   question of what the heck is all that [TS]

00:19:33   extra space for and as far as I can [TS]

00:19:35   guess what didn't the macbook ones cpu [TS]

00:19:40   architecture that with that with the [TS]

00:19:41   crazy until five one thing didn't have [TS]

00:19:43   like a very low limit on how many ports [TS]

00:19:45   you could even drive with the chipset so [TS]

00:19:48   maybe this isn't using the CPUs at all [TS]

00:19:50   businesses using some other Intel [TS]

00:19:52   low-wattage chip that's higher end than [TS]

00:19:55   the than the core m and then that's how [TS]

00:19:58   it's driving all these ports but then it [TS]

00:20:00   needs that all this additional battery [TS]

00:20:01   to to function into to have a simple [TS]

00:20:03   battery life which of course then raises [TS]

00:20:05   the question of what the heck is a [TS]

00:20:07   difference between that and the macbook [TS]

00:20:08   pro all that empty space in the front is [TS]

00:20:10   for speaker cavities right like the ipad [TS]

00:20:13   pro 4 speakers tell you what that'd be [TS]

00:20:15   awesome [TS]

00:20:16   that'd be amazing but no I doubt it we [TS]

00:20:18   have so much space left on this case we [TS]

00:20:20   don't even know what to do with it [TS]

00:20:21   cabinets speaker cavities for everybody [TS]

00:20:24   or anything else about these laptops i [TS]

00:20:27   I'm looking forward to hearing what [TS]

00:20:29   these actually are in seeing them [TS]

00:20:30   because I i educate Casey like you know [TS]

00:20:33   major changes to to like the the mac [TS]

00:20:36   designs don't happen very often and [TS]

00:20:39   especially to like the main workhorse [TS]

00:20:41   computers like it's one thing to [TS]

00:20:42   introduce a brand-new tiny little [TS]

00:20:44   macbook one at an event but you know [TS]

00:20:46   everyone's the macbook pros it's a whole [TS]

00:20:48   thing to totally redesigned the macbook [TS]

00:20:50   pro or the imac or the mac pro these are [TS]

00:20:52   these are major events in the product [TS]

00:20:54   line and it's exciting and it's exciting [TS]

00:20:57   you know for for those of us who have [TS]

00:20:59   and love our max it's and it's and it's [TS]

00:21:02   kind of reassuring it's nice to know [TS]

00:21:03   that the company that seems like cares a [TS]

00:21:06   whole lot more about iOS devices that [TS]

00:21:08   they haven't forgotten about the mac in [TS]

00:21:10   the process that the mac is still being [TS]

00:21:12   actively developed being evolved and you [TS]

00:21:15   know and having attention put on it [TS]

00:21:17   really yeah the thing is to kind of [TS]

00:21:18   build on what you and I have both said [TS]

00:21:20   earlier is that they clearly Apple [TS]

00:21:23   clearly takes messing with the macbook [TS]

00:21:26   pro and even the the non-pro line very [TS]

00:21:29   seriously like they don't tend to make a [TS]

00:21:31   really crummy decisions like yeah we all [TS]

00:21:33   we all complain to mount a little bit [TS]

00:21:35   about the macbook one but at least you [TS]

00:21:37   could understand what they were going [TS]

00:21:38   for their and for them to be messing [TS]

00:21:40   with a design that really does work i [TS]

00:21:42   mean i have loved every macbook pro ever [TS]

00:21:44   owned and and i love the one that work [TS]

00:21:47   gave me and and i'm very anxious to see [TS]

00:21:50   this new one because if they're going to [TS]

00:21:52   change something that that is so [TS]

00:21:54   important in that and that works so well [TS]

00:21:56   because the design that they have today [TS]

00:21:57   I really do love then it's gonna have to [TS]

00:22:00   be something good [TS]

00:22:01   this isn't the playground like the [TS]

00:22:02   iphone or the ipad [TS]

00:22:04   things change fairly frequently this is [TS]

00:22:06   kind of the slow and steady wins the [TS]

00:22:08   race [TS]

00:22:09   sort of a product for them and so [TS]

00:22:12   because of that I'm really really [TS]

00:22:14   anxious I'm really really excited to see [TS]

00:22:15   it and also dreading it because I'm [TS]

00:22:17   gonna want to buy a laptop and I really [TS]

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00:24:27   alright so sticking with hardware for a [TS]

00:24:29   moment let's talk about this rumored [TS]

00:24:32   external 5k display this is all coming [TS]

00:24:34   back again I don't remember what it was [TS]

00:24:36   we talked about this but it was quite a [TS]

00:24:37   while ago all coming up tipster it's all [TS]

00:24:40   coming up tipster and so just earlier [TS]

00:24:43   today as we record this [TS]

00:24:45   there's been increased rumors about the [TS]

00:24:49   potential of a new cinema display [TS]

00:24:51   Thunderbolt Display given that stock [TS]

00:24:53   seems to be running out everywhere so [TS]

00:24:55   any new thoughts on this do you think [TS]

00:24:57   this is real or is John finally getting [TS]

00:24:59   his external retina display so he can [TS]

00:25:01   get his stupid trashcan mac pro what we [TS]

00:25:04   thinking the story the angle of the [TS]

00:25:05   story of scene i think we did discuss [TS]

00:25:08   all this in past episodes that maybe we [TS]

00:25:10   did it off air maybe will happen to the [TS]

00:25:11   chat room at all kind of blends together [TS]

00:25:12   but the the angle of the story is a new [TS]

00:25:15   fireplace place fine but then everyone's [TS]

00:25:17   like oh how are they going to plug this [TS]

00:25:19   into Macintosh computers and make an [TS]

00:25:21   image appear on the screen and everyone [TS]

00:25:23   is going through all the displayport [TS]

00:25:24   specs and seeing that they don't give [TS]

00:25:26   enough bandwidth and trying to figure it [TS]

00:25:28   out and going around and around and [TS]

00:25:29   eventually the GPU and the display idea [TS]

00:25:32   comes out so just as a review in case we [TS]

00:25:35   actually didn't discuss it was all in [TS]

00:25:36   the chatroom the the idea is that you [TS]

00:25:39   can power it with displayport because [TS]

00:25:41   there's not enough bandwidth you can let [TS]

00:25:42   you connect two wires which is kind of [TS]

00:25:44   what it happens internally on the imac [TS]

00:25:46   or can happen externally on current max [TS]

00:25:49   but everyone believes that I won't do [TS]

00:25:50   that because it's gross [TS]

00:25:52   you don't have two wires connect your [TS]

00:25:54   actual display and Intel is not going to [TS]

00:25:57   have the words that display board 1.4 or [TS]

00:26:00   whatever whatever standard is that has [TS]

00:26:02   the band with the power 5k 1.3 I believe [TS]

00:26:04   maybe it's 1.30 everybody the way it's [TS]

00:26:07   not going to be in the sky like things [TS]

00:26:09   is not going to be in the next one even [TS]

00:26:10   I think it's like the long ways out so [TS]

00:26:12   even though displayport will eventually [TS]

00:26:13   supported doesn't look like any of the [TS]

00:26:15   current max are going to and so the only [TS]

00:26:17   thing left is something weird and people [TS]

00:26:20   think proprietary but really is not [TS]

00:26:22   proprietary just plain old Thunderbolts [TS]

00:26:23   because remember Thunderbolt speck has [TS]

00:26:25   been with allocated for data transfer [TS]

00:26:27   and also [TS]

00:26:28   displayport and the ideas they will [TS]

00:26:31   ignore displayport it will connect to it [TS]

00:26:33   as if it's just a thunderbolt three [TS]

00:26:35   device and it will be running [TS]

00:26:36   pci-express over a wire and the thing of [TS]

00:26:39   the other end of the wire will be this [TS]

00:26:40   monitor that has some sort of PCI [TS]

00:26:43   Express Terminator so that from the [TS]

00:26:44   perspective of the mac that you have [TS]

00:26:46   connected to it looks like the monitor [TS]

00:26:48   itself is a video card and then it [TS]

00:26:51   starts to go hazy and like well as the [TS]

00:26:52   GPU entirely in the monitor maybe for [TS]

00:26:54   laptops that don't even have a GPU they [TS]

00:26:56   can drive it anyway the GPU in the [TS]

00:26:57   monitor will handle it but what about [TS]

00:26:59   something like the mac pro we're surely [TS]

00:27:01   the mac pro itself will have a better [TS]

00:27:02   GPU the monitor [TS]

00:27:03   well if they updated at night yeah it [TS]

00:27:06   will use internal GPU but then just use [TS]

00:27:08   pci-express to communicate that the [TS]

00:27:11   image information over to the monitor [TS]

00:27:12   and then the monitor will act as a [TS]

00:27:14   pci-express device even though all the [TS]

00:27:16   GPU stuff is happening on the mac pro [TS]

00:27:18   anyway bottom line is not display port [TS]

00:27:21   that's the best baby answer that we all [TS]

00:27:22   think of how they're going to drive this [TS]

00:27:25   5k monitor from a bunch of Max biggest [TS]

00:27:28   under bolt and use it as the same as all [TS]

00:27:31   those thunderbolts pci-express breakout [TS]

00:27:32   box is only this will be a breakout [TS]

00:27:34   monitor box [TS]

00:27:35   yeah i mean this is one of those things [TS]

00:27:38   where like there's a lot of people [TS]

00:27:39   making a lot of like blanket statements [TS]

00:27:41   of well this isn't possible because of X [TS]

00:27:44   and the reality is this stuff is all [TS]

00:27:47   very complicated most of us who are [TS]

00:27:48   making these statements don't have a [TS]

00:27:50   full understanding of all the stuff [TS]

00:27:51   that's involved and what actually is [TS]

00:27:52   possible and what actually is impossible [TS]

00:27:54   and what's you know what's kind of just [TS]

00:27:56   a thing we heard the reality is the more [TS]

00:27:58   I learn about this the more I learned [TS]

00:28:00   that it's way more complicated than I [TS]

00:28:02   thought [TS]

00:28:03   there are actually ways to do it with [TS]

00:28:06   the with current hardware or the near [TS]

00:28:08   future hardware and so it's really just [TS]

00:28:11   a question of like you know has [TS]

00:28:13   everything gotten together in time and [TS]

00:28:15   we know what will support it and when [TS]

00:28:17   will it come out and mobile plug into [TS]

00:28:18   and it seems like up the answer almost [TS]

00:28:20   all those things kind of like well [TS]

00:28:22   that's up to apple it's okay i think [TS]

00:28:24   it's too early to say really [TS]

00:28:26   and I've had a long time to work this [TS]

00:28:27   out an apple does have experience for [TS]

00:28:29   example having dual GP laptops and [TS]

00:28:31   dealing with the GPU switching that's [TS]

00:28:33   another question people have like happen [TS]

00:28:34   you have a GPU in the monitor will be [TS]

00:28:36   yanked the cable out of the monitor [TS]

00:28:37   first of all yanking the cable out [TS]

00:28:38   monitors historically has always been a [TS]

00:28:41   little bit [TS]

00:28:41   weird not just went over Thunderbolts [TS]

00:28:44   right but Apple has some experience [TS]

00:28:46   dealing with multiple gpus running [TS]

00:28:49   multiple displays and laptops granted [TS]

00:28:51   without all the experience is great but [TS]

00:28:53   presumably apples the company can they [TS]

00:28:55   can do it because they know all the [TS]

00:28:56   hardware involved that they control the [TS]

00:28:58   monitor side they control the mac side [TS]

00:28:59   and surely will be limited to support [TS]

00:29:01   for you know for certain collection of [TS]

00:29:04   Max that can do this and it will [TS]

00:29:05   probably require a new OS update and all [TS]

00:29:07   this other stuff and we just waited so [TS]

00:29:09   long like how how long is the [TS]

00:29:10   Thunderbolt Display been out for think [TS]

00:29:12   you saw the date five lives it's been [TS]

00:29:14   like four years five years I don't know [TS]

00:29:16   it's it's been a long time [TS]

00:29:18   yeah well it's and it's especially [TS]

00:29:19   because it's it's barely different from [TS]

00:29:21   the LED cinema display that came before [TS]

00:29:23   it right you just uploaded with a [TS]

00:29:25   thunderbolt with the having more person [TS]

00:29:27   going over Thunderbolt yeah july twenty [TS]

00:29:30   there you go yeah that's a long time so [TS]

00:29:32   I so it is entirely technical pasta [TS]

00:29:35   technically possible now for apple to [TS]

00:29:37   launch both our new mac pro apple please [TS]

00:29:40   and for a external 5k display that a [TS]

00:29:44   bunch of the laptops that they will also [TS]

00:29:46   introduce can drive now is it possible [TS]

00:29:47   that existing laptops can drive it to [TS]

00:29:50   probably maybe especially the GPU in the [TS]

00:29:52   monitor that sufficient to drive the [TS]

00:29:53   monitor itself and this will be a weird [TS]

00:29:57   solution but it's better than waiting [TS]

00:29:59   for the next waiting for the display [TS]

00:30:01   prospective support system waiting year [TS]

00:30:03   many more years for intel chipsets to [TS]

00:30:05   support their think this is far [TS]

00:30:07   preferable so I really want Apple to do [TS]

00:30:10   this we've all waited long enough for an [TS]

00:30:11   external 5k display its time and mac [TS]

00:30:14   prompted well i'm willing to believe [TS]

00:30:16   that is not in the cards for wec like [TS]

00:30:19   I'm trying to keep my expectations tamp [TS]

00:30:21   down but surely announcement of new [TS]

00:30:23   laptops and surely an announcement of a [TS]

00:30:26   5k display [TS]

00:30:27   oh I keep seeing more people already a [TS]

00:30:29   cue for definitely later in the year so [TS]

00:30:30   they could even they can even skip this [TS]

00:30:33   and announce it not a wi don't [TS]

00:30:35   understand why they would but they could [TS]

00:30:37   if they wanted to give all the glory the [TS]

00:30:39   WBC stage two [TS]

00:30:40   I don't know what could possibly Trump [TS]

00:30:43   this iphone stuff the Swift stuff [TS]

00:30:46   renaming mac OS and iOS i don't know [TS]

00:30:50   like who knows what they have planned [TS]

00:30:51   but this year for sure right guys mm I [TS]

00:30:58   sure hope I mean I'm really excited for [TS]

00:31:00   you have works out I don't know if I can [TS]

00:31:03   handle it doesn't you know even if they [TS]

00:31:05   release the mac pro you know John's not [TS]

00:31:06   gonna buy it [TS]

00:31:07   that's true you don't know that you [TS]

00:31:09   don't know that all saving my pennies [TS]

00:31:11   mmm your first first you're going to say [TS]

00:31:14   well I want to wait and see make sure [TS]

00:31:16   that doesn't have any big problems went [TS]

00:31:18   away for other people to buy it first of [TS]

00:31:19   course I'm gonna do that of course i'm [TS]

00:31:20   going to wonder what about everything [TS]

00:31:22   right and so then so six months in we're [TS]

00:31:24   going to remember to ask you better he [TS]

00:31:25   said on the wait six months to find [TS]

00:31:26   we're gonna say hey John remember when [TS]

00:31:28   you said you're waiting for the first [TS]

00:31:29   people to buy my first has been awhile [TS]

00:31:31   there no problem so when you bite into [TS]

00:31:33   it well so true i wish i had better gpus [TS]

00:31:36   or the gaming performance is not good [TS]

00:31:37   here and and no it's so expensive and so [TS]

00:31:40   I think my mac pro still gonna work for [TS]

00:31:42   a little bit longer I can get a few more [TS]

00:31:43   years out of it until the next one and [TS]

00:31:45   then two years into the psyche like well [TS]

00:31:47   it now it's pretty old another way to [TS]

00:31:49   the next one comes out smacks gonna [TS]

00:31:52   break someday right can't last forever [TS]

00:31:55   and those are with macros are pretty [TS]

00:31:57   solid it is tempting to try to go for 10 [TS]

00:31:59   years and no no it's not but would you [TS]

00:32:03   you would you or 10 years like for milk [TS]

00:32:05   in your fridge not like it doesn't it [TS]

00:32:07   doesn't matter well number is where this [TS]

00:32:10   is not the kind of area we should [TS]

00:32:11   achieve incredible longevity of like [TS]

00:32:14   your main computer just for this just [TS]

00:32:16   for the heck of it was a great when i [TS]

00:32:19   upgrade my ps4 to a faster version wimax [TS]

00:32:21   it's there continues not to be upgraded [TS]

00:32:23   how many gaming systems have you bought [TS]

00:32:26   in the time you've had that mac pro ball [TS]

00:32:30   at all what my n64 came out before this [TS]

00:32:33   right well i think the police ticket but [TS]

00:32:35   you have 360 right know that I think 360 [TS]

00:32:38   came out before it but did the ps3 ID [TS]

00:32:41   the ps3 but before that was like oh six [TS]

00:32:43   or something like that right yeah it's [TS]

00:32:45   not a get consultation for like seven [TS]

00:32:47   years for the ps3 still haven't [TS]

00:32:49   oh good [TS]

00:32:51   and what else is going on let's see here [TS]

00:32:55   I'm we didn't talk about Apple [TS]

00:32:57   potentially opening up Siri and [TS]

00:32:59   developing an echo rival we mentioned [TS]

00:33:01   the article but then we got off on [TS]

00:33:03   another tangent about apple and services [TS]

00:33:06   stuff we would never do that [TS]

00:33:07   us but that was that was the the [TS]

00:33:09   headline of the story was you know an [TS]

00:33:13   echo rival and the Syria opening up i [TS]

00:33:15   guess we didn't talk too much about the [TS]

00:33:16   API aspect of it but we mostly just [TS]

00:33:18   talked about apple and services [TS]

00:33:20   yeah so apparently apple may be opening [TS]

00:33:22   up Siri there may be an echo rival and [TS]

00:33:25   that's about all we know which is to say [TS]

00:33:27   basically nothing was this the article [TS]

00:33:29   that said or maybe heard that somewhere [TS]

00:33:30   else that the idea of opening up series [TS]

00:33:32   that it wouldn't be as open as the [TS]

00:33:33   skills are on the echo still be more [TS]

00:33:35   kind of at least initially for like [TS]

00:33:38   select partners to have Siri integration [TS]

00:33:40   i got i don't quite understand what the [TS]

00:33:42   holdup is on having an official api for [TS]

00:33:44   Siri Apple loves api's WWDC is all about [TS]

00:33:47   API is like they're all just look at [TS]

00:33:49   these great new API integrate this into [TS]

00:33:51   your apt to write that into your app [TS]

00:33:52   your app should have one of these and [TS]

00:33:53   get serious like ya know nothing for you [TS]

00:33:56   this year like it's been so long it it [TS]

00:33:59   seems like they could have come up with [TS]

00:34:01   the safest possible Syria integration [TS]

00:34:04   maybe you would be useless maybe know [TS]

00:34:06   and use it but I get the ball rolling on [TS]

00:34:07   the idea that Syria is not just like [TS]

00:34:10   this feature of your phone but rather is [TS]

00:34:12   an API that your apps can integrate with [TS]

00:34:14   to make you know your apps can make [TS]

00:34:15   Syria more useful in the same way to [TS]

00:34:17   share sheets made like every app on the [TS]

00:34:18   system more useful just implement the [TS]

00:34:20   new sheet API and suddenly everybody's [TS]

00:34:23   apps can all work together to make [TS]

00:34:24   everybody songs more useful series [TS]

00:34:25   should be exactly the same but isn't I i [TS]

00:34:28   really hope that this report is true [TS]

00:34:30   that there is siri p I being unveiled [TS]

00:34:32   soon because as a developer i would love [TS]

00:34:36   it and there are so many things that [TS]

00:34:37   like I would love for myself to access [TS]

00:34:40   to I would love for other developers [TS]

00:34:41   have access to it i would love to as a [TS]

00:34:42   user for other developers who have [TS]

00:34:44   access to it so i can do so much better [TS]

00:34:46   stuff with Siri i really hope this is [TS]

00:34:49   real [TS]

00:34:49   I recognize it's a very hard problem to [TS]

00:34:52   solve in a way that Apple be happy with [TS]

00:34:54   and it is not that surprising to me that [TS]

00:34:58   they don't have an API that they have [TS]

00:35:00   had an API yet [TS]

00:35:01   up to this point because it is a very [TS]

00:35:03   hard problem to [TS]

00:35:05   solving a way Apple would find tolerable [TS]

00:35:06   but it's time it's really time you know [TS]

00:35:10   as we see other other voice assistant [TS]

00:35:13   platforms having API is and adding api's [TS]

00:35:16   and coming soon with ap is it this is an [TS]

00:35:19   area where I just really hope Apple [TS]

00:35:22   keeps up i guess and you know as we [TS]

00:35:25   talked about last week I i really really [TS]

00:35:26   hope that they they bring competitive in [TS]

00:35:29   this area because it's exciting it could [TS]

00:35:31   be really cool [TS]

00:35:32   it's it's very useful a lot of times and [TS]

00:35:35   i hope i can participate in that is an [TS]

00:35:36   Apple user and an apple developer you [TS]

00:35:39   know thinking of the api's and thinking [TS]

00:35:41   about the the Amazon echo skills system [TS]

00:35:44   is it it's not like Apple hasn't done a [TS]

00:35:46   PS like that before i'm thinking of the [TS]

00:35:48   passbook API before they changed it to [TS]

00:35:50   Walter remember tomorrow's that was like [TS]

00:35:52   it was pretty easy for you know Airlines [TS]

00:35:54   or whatever integrate with passbook it [TS]

00:35:55   was just like it was very well be it was [TS]

00:35:58   very sort of make a rest assured [TS]

00:36:00   endpoint that sends and receives json in [TS]

00:36:02   this format and send some simple markup [TS]

00:36:04   and in the app look like these little [TS]

00:36:07   cards and you know I think it's probably [TS]

00:36:08   say maybe are for the wall thing I don't [TS]

00:36:10   think they changed that much that is [TS]

00:36:12   exactly the API that you can use for [TS]

00:36:14   skills in terms of integrating series [TS]

00:36:16   now with with iOS apps muchas with other [TS]

00:36:18   backend services and stuff like that to [TS]

00:36:20   be able to ask Siri questions and have [TS]

00:36:23   skills installed the let Syria ask [TS]

00:36:25   something other than wolframalpha to get [TS]

00:36:27   questions about but most importantly [TS]

00:36:28   gasp ESPN for more detailed sports [TS]

00:36:31   information or whatever like that type [TS]

00:36:32   of system that is an API is like an [TS]

00:36:34   apple has never made those api's or [TS]

00:36:36   they've done it it's rare but it's [TS]

00:36:39   possible and it's you know it's 60 [TS]

00:36:42   successful like passbook and all that [TS]

00:36:44   stuff had pretty wide adoption pretty [TS]

00:36:46   quickly because it's like we don't [TS]

00:36:47   really care that much we don't know how [TS]

00:36:48   much people are gonna use it but it's so [TS]

00:36:49   easy to do throw one web developer out [TS]

00:36:52   for a few weeks every airline did it it [TS]

00:36:54   was fine and continues to serve lurch [TS]

00:36:57   along right they could do that with Siri [TS]

00:36:58   easily maybe they just don't think that [TS]

00:37:00   sufficient maybe they have bigger plans [TS]

00:37:01   with this the new you know whatever [TS]

00:37:04   rumored much better serie the other [TS]

00:37:06   thing I was thinking of is that if there [TS]

00:37:08   during the whole mac OS renaming with a [TS]

00:37:10   lowercase M AC capital OS it's a good [TS]

00:37:14   time to perhaps think about and end of [TS]

00:37:16   series going to appear on the new ver [TS]

00:37:17   no the mac operating system good time to [TS]

00:37:20   think about rebranding / combining [TS]

00:37:22   spotlight in Syria which have been sort [TS]

00:37:24   of merging and dancing around each other [TS]

00:37:26   for years [TS]

00:37:26   I don't know who wins probably Syria [TS]

00:37:28   instead of spotlight but how can you [TS]

00:37:30   have two different things that are all [TS]

00:37:32   very similar the great should be [TS]

00:37:33   integrated you I wise branding and [TS]

00:37:35   conceptually it's kind of confusing to [TS]

00:37:37   have them like that so this would be a [TS]

00:37:39   good time to unify those brands too and [TS]

00:37:42   if you did that spotlight does have an [TS]

00:37:44   extension mechanism where you can write [TS]

00:37:46   plugins to let your out your files be [TS]

00:37:47   indexed on your Mac or whatever that's [TS]

00:37:51   another good time to add a serie a p.i [TS]

00:37:53   because once they're combined into one [TS]

00:37:55   thing when you can add an API for I [TS]

00:37:57   don't know like that again [TS]

00:37:59   Apple that's what WBC is all about it's [TS]

00:38:01   all about sessions where they have new [TS]

00:38:02   AP is that you can use to make your apps [TS]

00:38:04   cooler and that usually Apple wants you [TS]

00:38:06   to incorporate their they're practically [TS]

00:38:08   begging you to think of a reason think [TS]

00:38:10   of a way that you can incorporate this [TS]

00:38:11   new API I'll and all the sessions like [TS]

00:38:14   you may not think you need this API your [TS]

00:38:15   app let me show you some examples you [TS]

00:38:17   can add you know a rotating 3d cube in [TS]

00:38:19   the corner so you should use sink it [TS]

00:38:21   like like they're very gung-ho about we [TS]

00:38:24   have greater api's and you can [TS]

00:38:25   incorporate them because by [TS]

00:38:26   incorporating the new API is you add [TS]

00:38:27   value to a platform and show its unique [TS]

00:38:29   value proposition because i believe [TS]

00:38:30   these api user you know something that [TS]

00:38:33   the other platforms don't have things [TS]

00:38:35   that could be worth over there api's are [TS]

00:38:36   more complicated or whatever so yeah I [TS]

00:38:39   guess this is the time of year where did [TS]

00:38:41   everything seems possible WC all our [TS]

00:38:43   dreams will come true and everything we [TS]

00:38:45   thought of will be announced at the [TS]

00:38:47   keynote will have 15 sessions but [TS]

00:38:48   obviously they can't all fit in so we'll [TS]

00:38:50   see what gets dropped on the floor so [TS]

00:38:53   quick aside are you in favor of or [TS]

00:38:54   against os10 becoming mac OS [TS]

00:38:57   athletically I'm pretty against but in [TS]

00:39:00   terms of its time for a rebrand I'm for [TS]

00:39:03   but I don't like the lowercase them a [TS]

00:39:05   CEOs but i think it's just like the drop [TS]

00:39:09   the cats if you want to rename it after [TS]

00:39:11   so many versions to do a different thing [TS]

00:39:13   get rid of the 10 and the ex thing and [TS]

00:39:15   like no yeah sure we named it but I [TS]

00:39:18   really don't like the locus thing but [TS]

00:39:19   I'll live with it and I think it'd be [TS]

00:39:22   good i think it's time i'm ready yeah me [TS]

00:39:24   too i'm in favor you know the [TS]

00:39:25   capitalization of the mac aside you know [TS]

00:39:27   I don't really have a strong opinion [TS]

00:39:28   that you know i would think it'd be cool [TS]

00:39:30   to his cap [TS]

00:39:31   because it can be you know an old-school [TS]

00:39:33   reference and can't just fits better as [TS]

00:39:36   a reference if there's no space but but [TS]

00:39:41   yeah outside of their name [TS]

00:39:43   we have a new sponsor this week your [TS]

00:39:45   sponsored by eero ter o0 now 0 is a new [TS]

00:39:50   Wi-Fi router company for really high-end [TS]

00:39:53   Wi-Fi at home is like enterprise-grade [TS]

00:39:55   Wi-Fi to get home and it's super easy [TS]

00:39:58   setup in super modern so here's how this [TS]

00:39:59   works now almost everybody i know who's [TS]

00:40:02   ever had Wi-Fi in the house which is [TS]

00:40:03   almost everybody there's always like [TS]

00:40:05   areas of low reception or dead zones or [TS]

00:40:07   parts they're just really slow what you [TS]

00:40:09   really need is multiple access points [TS]

00:40:12   multiple Wi-Fi routers to cover the area [TS]

00:40:15   of your house it's just it's very hard [TS]

00:40:17   to have one super powerful one that you [TS]

00:40:19   put hopefully near the middle of your [TS]

00:40:21   house and have that have adequate [TS]

00:40:23   coverage so 10 is a system that makes it [TS]

00:40:26   super-easy to have multiple Wi-Fi [TS]

00:40:28   routers in your house that all talk to [TS]

00:40:31   each other and automatically configure [TS]

00:40:32   themselves to basically just plug them [TS]

00:40:34   in wherever you need them roughly one [TS]

00:40:36   per thousand square feet so most homes [TS]

00:40:39   in the u.s. you have either two or three [TS]

00:40:41   of them you designate one of them as [TS]

00:40:43   your router and you plug that one in [TS]

00:40:44   with a wire to your your modem or [TS]

00:40:47   internet connection every further into [TS]

00:40:48   ethernet the other to use plug those in [TS]

00:40:51   somewhere else in your house and they [TS]

00:40:53   communicate with each other on a [TS]

00:40:54   secondary mesh network and so it's [TS]

00:40:57   faster than white than typical Wi-Fi [TS]

00:40:58   range extender because it uses dual [TS]

00:41:00   radios you don't worry about the the [TS]

00:41:01   throughput being horrible and it's [TS]

00:41:03   automatically configured through they're [TS]

00:41:04   really nice app so it will basically [TS]

00:41:07   solves the home Wi-Fi coverage problem [TS]

00:41:09   in a way that it's I've never seen [TS]

00:41:12   anything that was as easy to set up as [TS]

00:41:14   this so you guys have them right [TS]

00:41:16   how do you think I'm really impressed i [TS]

00:41:18   wasn't sure if i would just throw them [TS]

00:41:20   on and then kind of trying out and put [TS]

00:41:22   them away but i think they have replaced [TS]

00:41:24   my very old airport extreme alright [TS]

00:41:27   sounds good welfare check it out [TS]

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00:41:39   our show [TS]

00:41:40   so iphone 7 another talk or maybe tick i [TS]

00:41:47   didn't i didn't see the first tell me [TS]

00:41:48   about this and talk hey christina warren [TS]

00:41:51   oracle at Mashable talking about the [TS]

00:41:52   iphone 7 we talked a lot about it [TS]

00:41:54   already dropping the headphone port and [TS]

00:41:56   we've seen the spy shots where it looks [TS]

00:41:57   a lot like the iphone 6 but the antenna [TS]

00:41:59   lines are a little bit moved around and [TS]

00:42:01   the big ones gonna have two cameras and [TS]

00:42:02   so on and so forth [TS]

00:42:04   this story was the sort of Medicine [TS]

00:42:06   worry about okay assuming all that's [TS]

00:42:07   pretty much the case [TS]

00:42:09   hey the iphone 7 doesn't really look [TS]

00:42:11   that different than the iphone 6 and hit [TS]

00:42:14   for a long time now the iphone has been [TS]

00:42:16   on the thing where they make a new case [TS]

00:42:18   design then they put faster innards in [TS]

00:42:20   it the negative cases I'm input faster [TS]

00:42:22   and resent it and they're calling the [TS]

00:42:24   tick-tock strategy unfortunately now [TS]

00:42:26   that Intel's let's talk strategy and I [TS]

00:42:28   have a solid grasp exactly what is the [TS]

00:42:29   second was the talk really there they [TS]

00:42:32   said all the iphone 7 will be as if it [TS]

00:42:34   was Tik Tok Tok when really it should be [TS]

00:42:38   talk tik tik it's confusing and anyway [TS]

00:42:41   the iphone 7 really be another tick the [TS]

00:42:43   stick is the shrink and shrink is the [TS]

00:42:44   boring one where it's the same thing but [TS]

00:42:46   they just put in a smaller size so and [TS]

00:42:49   the talk is the exciting one the new [TS]

00:42:50   architecture whatever anyway so dive on [TS]

00:42:52   sex new form factor look different than [TS]

00:42:54   its predecessor phone entirely down [TS]

00:42:57   success looks like the six faster [TS]

00:42:59   innards and the iphone 7 also kinda [TS]

00:43:02   looks like this isn't success with [TS]

00:43:03   faster innards and the the angle on the [TS]

00:43:06   story is that this is a new three-year [TS]

00:43:08   cycle for phones that they're not going [TS]

00:43:10   to do the every other year thing they're [TS]

00:43:12   slowing down a little bit possibly [TS]

00:43:14   permanently or possibly just because the [TS]

00:43:16   iphone 8 will be like the 10-year [TS]

00:43:18   anniversary of the iphone and the rumors [TS]

00:43:21   about that wonder like an edge-to-edge [TS]

00:43:22   glass and it's super thin glass all over [TS]

00:43:25   and it looks like it's really radical [TS]

00:43:27   and amazing and wouldn't it be great to [TS]

00:43:28   have a 10-year anniversary of the iphone [TS]

00:43:30   with just as amazing your design that's [TS]

00:43:31   something no one ever thought of so [TS]

00:43:33   maybe the iphone 7 year this year is [TS]

00:43:36   going to be a kind of boring year for a [TS]

00:43:38   change where yet can be faster and cool [TS]

00:43:40   and have different airlines and maybe [TS]

00:43:42   some different colors and all the great [TS]

00:43:45   stuff that we love the big moment have [TS]

00:43:46   two cameras duo cool things but next [TS]

00:43:49   year is the big one where the [TS]

00:43:51   it's going to look totally different [TS]

00:43:52   it's going to blow your mind is the [TS]

00:43:53   touch ID sensor will be integrated into [TS]

00:43:54   the screen and won't have any frame [TS]

00:43:57   around the glass and who knows what the [TS]

00:43:58   heck else it'll have and I'm not quite [TS]

00:44:01   sure how I feel about that because I'm i [TS]

00:44:02   have a6 and I skip the success and I was [TS]

00:44:05   thinking of getting a 747 looks the same [TS]

00:44:07   and if I know the ad is gonna be the [TS]

00:44:08   crazy 10-year anniversary one is gonna [TS]

00:44:11   be like my mac pro / gonna keep his eyes [TS]

00:44:12   a little harder for the first and only [TS]

00:44:14   i5 ever on how long you gonna keep using [TS]

00:44:16   this cuz you know my iphone 6 is fine [TS]

00:44:18   like it's it's still good i still like [TS]

00:44:21   it [TS]

00:44:22   the battery life is still decent eat [TS]

00:44:24   your custom to using crappy ipod touch [TS]

00:44:26   hardware John trust me it we we need to [TS]

00:44:29   teach you as a first-time iphone we need [TS]

00:44:31   to teach you how to be an iphone owner i [TS]

00:44:33   need to get whatever two years I need to [TS]

00:44:35   get whatever you ever want to be like [TS]

00:44:36   you crazy people you're a tech podcaster [TS]

00:44:38   just get one every year it's part of [TS]

00:44:39   your job [TS]

00:44:40   yeah I agree my wife has a success plus [TS]

00:44:43   like i see that it's faster and [TS]

00:44:45   everything is also giant but i don't [TS]

00:44:48   think i need a new phone every I'll [TS]

00:44:49   think about you do you know at least [TS]

00:44:52   every 2 based every to but then like it [TS]

00:44:54   then if i get these seven then when the [TS]

00:44:57   10-year anniversary one comes out and [TS]

00:44:58   it's awesome i'll be even more resistant [TS]

00:45:00   to getting it i don't know i really have [TS]

00:45:02   to think about it i really have to see [TS]

00:45:03   what seven is like when you get the 6s [TS]

00:45:05   and 6s or that whatever without this [TS]

00:45:07   year don't think they're gonna go with [TS]

00:45:08   SS just off the top of my head [TS]

00:45:10   yeah let's hope not so so what when you [TS]

00:45:13   get the one that comes out this year and [TS]

00:45:16   then next year just one year later an [TS]

00:45:18   amazing new one comes out get that one [TS]

00:45:20   too [TS]

00:45:21   I don't know you're a tech podcast this [TS]

00:45:23   is what we do [TS]

00:45:24   yeah that's the thing like I always [TS]

00:45:26   wanted to go on the annual cycle and [TS]

00:45:28   could never justify to myself and then [TS]

00:45:30   it occurred to me we do make a little [TS]

00:45:32   bit of money off of this show [TS]

00:45:34   be it is sponsored for a reason and you [TS]

00:45:36   know what a thousand $1,500 for however [TS]

00:45:39   much damn iphone is these days where you [TS]

00:45:40   get your iphone what the hell which are [TS]

00:45:43   they know they're like they're like a [TS]

00:45:44   tinderbox now on his back during the [TS]

00:45:46   cost of the data plan [TS]

00:45:48   yeah totally that's what I yeah okay [TS]

00:45:50   yeah but anyway [TS]

00:45:52   no but the point is you know even a well [TS]

00:45:54   well equipped iphone you know it's what [TS]

00:45:57   is it like a tinderbox that is not yet [TS]

00:45:58   that yet so once a year i think i can [TS]

00:46:02   afford that and I do consider to be part [TS]

00:46:04   of that [TS]

00:46:04   job of doing this podcast and and I [TS]

00:46:07   don't think that's true of everyone like [TS]

00:46:08   Aaron I've offered to get her new phonon [TS]

00:46:11   off years for her and she's there I [TS]

00:46:13   don't think I really need it and that's [TS]

00:46:14   fine i don't think that's a bad thing [TS]

00:46:15   before the podcast i wanted it but I [TS]

00:46:18   never get it but John you make a few [TS]

00:46:21   dollars in the show it's time isn't this [TS]

00:46:23   why we do the podcast I'm i want my wife [TS]

00:46:26   has this year's phone and she has a5k [TS]

00:46:28   imac she's all swanky and the fancy new [TS]

00:46:30   hardware [TS]

00:46:31   I'm the the one with the on the other [TS]

00:46:34   hand i'd i have been by more games [TS]

00:46:36   recently so that's how I spoil myself I [TS]

00:46:39   mean it is the polite thing to do as as [TS]

00:46:41   the tech podcaster to make sure that [TS]

00:46:43   you're the other members of your family [TS]

00:46:44   are adequately set up with technology so [TS]

00:46:47   you you doing that part right but you [TS]

00:46:49   know you do have to you know think of [TS]

00:46:50   yourself as well hear you you don't buy [TS]

00:46:52   an iphone and sit on it for three years [TS]

00:46:54   with the next one might be good [TS]

00:46:55   well anyway but my particularly you [TS]

00:46:57   decide what do you guys think of having [TS]

00:47:00   like a and an off year where they just [TS]

00:47:03   kind of cruise with like another x-ray [TS]

00:47:05   vision while we wait for what we hope [TS]

00:47:07   will be an amazing anyone do you think [TS]

00:47:08   that's a good idea bad idea can lower [TS]

00:47:11   the price if they do that can I get they [TS]

00:47:12   get their margins up like why is this [TS]

00:47:14   something that will do i mean lets you [TS]

00:47:16   know think about you know first of all [TS]

00:47:17   as a huge disclaimer here we are you [TS]

00:47:20   know this is really talking about is an [TS]

00:47:22   external case design like every new [TS]

00:47:24   generation of iphone has been a [TS]

00:47:26   substantial upgrade from the one before [TS]

00:47:28   it so far [TS]

00:47:29   you know the the ones that have the S on [TS]

00:47:31   the end [TS]

00:47:32   look about the same or exactly the same [TS]

00:47:34   but they still have really significant [TS]

00:47:36   upgrades all of them have so what we're [TS]

00:47:39   talking about here if if they actually [TS]

00:47:42   do what this rumor might say they're [TS]

00:47:44   really just saying like you know we're [TS]

00:47:46   not going to change the case this time [TS]

00:47:47   you know what normally would have [TS]

00:47:49   changed his case this time this but you [TS]

00:47:51   know now we're going to give another [TS]

00:47:52   year and change the case next year that [TS]

00:47:55   matters a lot less really then [TS]

00:47:56   everything else all told I mean granted [TS]

00:47:58   sometimes the case changes come with [TS]

00:48:00   things like screen size changes which is [TS]

00:48:02   nice and important but you know [TS]

00:48:05   ultimately i think it's not that big of [TS]

00:48:06   a deal as long as they have the like a [TS]

00:48:11   good set of iphone gut as long as the [TS]

00:48:13   good phone and it's and it's a decent [TS]

00:48:16   upgrade from the success in input [TS]

00:48:18   certain ways like if you know that if [TS]

00:48:19   the rumors are true that like the [TS]

00:48:20   cameras getting a lot better especially [TS]

00:48:22   the plus-size one then that's a big deal [TS]

00:48:24   you know I'm so you know it all depends [TS]

00:48:26   on like what else the upgrade if it's a [TS]

00:48:27   compelling upgrade for that for the [TS]

00:48:30   privilege of us who upgrade every year [TS]

00:48:32   that I'll talk about how good it is or [TS]

00:48:33   how good isn't it will be fine if it's a [TS]

00:48:36   compelling upgrade for all the people [TS]

00:48:37   who still have two and three-year-old [TS]

00:48:39   phones to want to upgrade now instead of [TS]

00:48:40   waiting for the crazy former dog last [TS]

00:48:42   one next year whatever that's good for [TS]

00:48:44   them to I do think though given the [TS]

00:48:46   state of iphone sales at being you know [TS]

00:48:49   the the growth is slowing and they're [TS]

00:48:51   under all the scrutiny now I do think [TS]

00:48:53   the timing of this is not good [TS]

00:48:56   you know it's obviously this was [TS]

00:48:58   probably decided before its quarterly [TS]

00:48:59   results came in but it certainly the [TS]

00:49:02   timing of an appearance of them slowing [TS]

00:49:05   down or not trying as hard whether or [TS]

00:49:08   not they actually are slowing down and [TS]

00:49:10   no matter how hard they are trying it [TS]

00:49:13   will appear as though they're like [TS]

00:49:15   slacking off if they do this again so [TS]

00:49:16   I'm I'm totally up for it I I don't [TS]

00:49:20   really care for the six design that much [TS]

00:49:21   but it's fine it's good enough i care [TS]

00:49:23   more about the way the phone works and [TS]

00:49:24   the internals so I'll be okay [TS]

00:49:27   you know most of us will be ok people [TS]

00:49:29   who buy the phones without doing a whole [TS]

00:49:30   lot of research will be ok but i think [TS]

00:49:32   in the public eye and for a lot of the [TS]

00:49:35   for a lot of the press I think it will [TS]

00:49:37   not be well received because people will [TS]

00:49:39   think apple is kind of phoning it in [TS]

00:49:41   no pun intended well but there are [TS]

00:49:44   potential upside so i could think of a [TS]

00:49:45   couple of sides one potentially the [TS]

00:49:48   battery life could be better because if [TS]

00:49:49   they're not making it thinner like [TS]

00:49:50   that's the rumor that not only will look [TS]

00:49:52   the same but that essentially like the [TS]

00:49:53   cases will still fit and everything like [TS]

00:49:55   or at the very least it won't be any [TS]

00:49:56   thinner they always go down in power and [TS]

00:49:59   find ways to eke out a little more power [TS]

00:50:00   from you know the components if they [TS]

00:50:02   keep the same amount of battery battery [TS]

00:50:04   life should be better there right [TS]

00:50:06   it will also presumably be cheaper for [TS]

00:50:08   them to make because they won't have to [TS]

00:50:09   have the new tooling and everything and [TS]

00:50:11   then build those costs into the line of [TS]

00:50:13   phones so they could either lower the [TS]

00:50:16   price for consumers will make them sell [TS]

00:50:17   more or they get higher margins on the [TS]

00:50:19   ones they do sell so potentially even [TS]

00:50:21   though it could be boring aesthetically [TS]

00:50:23   and they could be stories written about [TS]

00:50:24   how like you said they're not really [TS]

00:50:25   trying or whatever when it comes time to [TS]

00:50:27   report results depending on which one of [TS]

00:50:29   those levers HR to pull they could have [TS]

00:50:31   increase customer satisfactory life is [TS]

00:50:33   better they get a higher asp because [TS]

00:50:35   it's cheaper for them to make them or [TS]

00:50:36   they could have more sales because they [TS]

00:50:38   could actually sell it for a lower price [TS]

00:50:39   or at least like adjust the price is [TS]

00:50:41   like the top and then we'll still be the [TS]

00:50:42   same price that would be a bad signal to [TS]

00:50:44   send but they could mess with the prices [TS]

00:50:46   and by the way luckily it seems like I'm [TS]

00:50:48   just pulling I'm just believing what I [TS]

00:50:50   want to play but anyway they were [TS]

00:50:51   stories about the low-end model still [TS]

00:50:52   being 16 gigs and then they were [TS]

00:50:53   follow-up story said no no don't worry [TS]

00:50:55   the bottom my 32 if they make the bottom [TS]

00:50:57   and 32 that will also increase customers [TS]

00:50:59   at probably won't increase the cost of [TS]

00:51:01   goods any because people probably even [TS]

00:51:03   sell them the stupid 16 gig chips [TS]

00:51:04   anymore because it's insane [TS]

00:51:06   so financially speaking like in terms of [TS]

00:51:10   what results they report and how many of [TS]

00:51:11   these things they sell everything and a [TS]

00:51:14   another expedition could actually be [TS]

00:51:16   really good for apple and really good [TS]

00:51:17   for consumers especially if they [TS]

00:51:18   actually do s stuff to it so the success [TS]

00:51:22   they tried to make less slippery like [TS]

00:51:23   the outside is a little bit less [TS]

00:51:24   slippery right and you know obviously [TS]

00:51:27   we're all the components and if there [TS]

00:51:28   are any sort of manufacturing problems [TS]

00:51:30   with like it was a little bit bending in [TS]

00:51:31   the 60 they made the success stiffer if [TS]

00:51:33   they keep doing that stuff like this is [TS]

00:51:35   yet another s where it's like it's you [TS]

00:51:38   know it's even less slippery and it's [TS]

00:51:40   even stiffer and we've made it lighter [TS]

00:51:42   and it gets better battery life and of [TS]

00:51:44   course the into the components are all [TS]

00:51:46   you know revised and faster and all that [TS]

00:51:48   other good stuff [TS]

00:51:48   this could really be like they've never [TS]

00:51:50   had three shots at the same phone [TS]

00:51:52   essentially before this could really be [TS]

00:51:54   sort of a you know a third attempt at [TS]

00:51:59   building a iphone 6 shaped phone where [TS]

00:52:02   they've learned so much from the past [TS]

00:52:03   two years of doing that this will really [TS]

00:52:05   be a great phone to buy but when you [TS]

00:52:07   look at it from the outside it will be [TS]

00:52:08   boring and then whatever the 10-year [TS]

00:52:11   anniversary phone is however you know [TS]

00:52:13   very radical that is that in theory [TS]

00:52:15   could have a bunch of weird problems but [TS]

00:52:17   it will sell like hotcakes because it'll [TS]

00:52:18   be sexy and new and everything so I I [TS]

00:52:21   like breaking up cycles like that's any [TS]

00:52:23   type of cycle you kind of get into it [TS]

00:52:24   starts to feel like you're in here into [TS]

00:52:25   a rut for a while I think there are a [TS]

00:52:27   lot of potential upside to this but if [TS]

00:52:29   you're going for like glam and trying to [TS]

00:52:31   allow people thinking of like showing us [TS]

00:52:33   on the stage it traditionally showing [TS]

00:52:35   the new iphone has been especially when [TS]

00:52:38   it's like you know even year whatever i [TS]

00:52:41   do like when it went [TS]

00:52:41   we're expecting that the big redesign [TS]

00:52:43   has been like whoo ha i can't imagine [TS]

00:52:46   how much going over the iphone 7 except [TS]

00:52:48   for maybe the dual camera thing on the [TS]

00:52:50   plus stuff I guess what has saved you [TS]

00:52:53   and I for the 10-year anniversary and [TS]

00:52:55   whatever that's gonna look like who you [TS]

00:52:59   know I agree on uh I agree mostly with [TS]

00:53:01   Marco that I think that the fallout from [TS]

00:53:05   the media will be ugly but not just the [TS]

00:53:08   media the public you know like Apple [TS]

00:53:10   gets a lot of crap from regular people [TS]

00:53:13   from the cosmic room whenever they don't [TS]

00:53:15   change the outside design its it is not [TS]

00:53:17   just like a couple articles from from [TS]

00:53:19   like tech media trolls it's it's [TS]

00:53:21   actually people care about this now [TS]

00:53:23   that's a good point and a lot of people [TS]

00:53:25   say oh I'm holding on you know I don't [TS]

00:53:26   want to bother with an ass i want the [TS]

00:53:28   new case and they saw him holding on for [TS]

00:53:30   the seven or what have you [TS]

00:53:31   I do think I don't know if I'd go so far [TS]

00:53:34   as to say it's a good idea but I i don't [TS]

00:53:37   i'm not frustrated by it and I in you [TS]

00:53:40   know like i was saying a few minutes ago [TS]

00:53:41   I like that my macbook pros over the [TS]

00:53:44   last few years have been basically the [TS]

00:53:46   same they've got a little bit thinner [TS]

00:53:47   and a little bit lighter but the battery [TS]

00:53:49   life has kept about the same they've [TS]

00:53:50   gotten faster they've gotten better [TS]

00:53:52   they've gotten retina screens I it so [TS]

00:53:55   it's a formula that works and i'm the [TS]

00:53:57   author of a problem with just iterating [TS]

00:53:58   on a formula that works i think that [TS]

00:54:01   there perhaps better choices of taste [TS]

00:54:03   design than the six but I don't dislike [TS]

00:54:06   it and if the formula works I don't have [TS]

00:54:08   a problem with them sticking with it but [TS]

00:54:10   the fallout from the press and to [TS]

00:54:12   Marco's point a second ago from regular [TS]

00:54:14   people is just going to be intolerable [TS]

00:54:16   and there will be a part of me that will [TS]

00:54:18   be like oh that's sad that we're not [TS]

00:54:19   getting a new one this year but in the [TS]

00:54:21   grand scheme of things I wouldn't be [TS]

00:54:22   upset about it so I i don't know we'll [TS]

00:54:25   see it it would be a very fascinating it [TS]

00:54:28   would be fascinating to see the reaction [TS]

00:54:29   if they do have a six SS gonna call the [TS]

00:54:34   headphone no certainly not [TS]

00:54:36   but whatever it can cause 6s plus area [TS]

00:54:38   use that name [TS]

00:54:39   what they called the seven even if it [TS]

00:54:41   looks the same i would guess so it's [TS]

00:54:43   nice to meet to me I think if they call [TS]

00:54:45   it a seven that would make the the [TS]

00:54:47   negative reception even worse you know [TS]

00:54:49   the negative superficial reaction [TS]

00:54:51   because people will be like remember [TS]

00:54:52   remember with with like the iphone 5s [TS]

00:54:54   the [TS]

00:54:54   RS the forest was the one that made [TS]

00:54:56   everyone loses their crap because it was [TS]

00:54:58   like what was supposed to be the five [TS]

00:54:59   and it's only for with a letter [TS]

00:55:01   yeah like I'm going to wait 45 and it [TS]

00:55:03   was like this massively like upgraded [TS]

00:55:05   for boys got this new stuff with Siri [TS]

00:55:08   difficult way faster chip and everything [TS]

00:55:10   for us was a great phone it was an [TS]

00:55:12   amazing i was a great upgrade and yeah [TS]

00:55:16   and then you know everyone freaks out [TS]

00:55:17   because they didn't call it five that's [TS]

00:55:19   why I think they have to name it the [TS]

00:55:20   seven though they have to give it like [TS]

00:55:22   you can't if you do it the other way [TS]

00:55:23   just reinforces story you have to give [TS]

00:55:25   it the seven because they'll be like [TS]

00:55:26   well it doesn't look very interesting [TS]

00:55:27   but the number is one bigger so I guess [TS]

00:55:30   it's no they can I mean I see the [TS]

00:55:32   argument for that but I feel like the I [TS]

00:55:34   feel like that would make people even [TS]

00:55:36   more mad that like they call this the [TS]

00:55:38   seven it's the same as the last one you [TS]

00:55:40   know I I feel like that would that would [TS]

00:55:42   make that worse [TS]

00:55:43   yeah I I think you gotta put the numbers [TS]

00:55:46   like that you even if the story will [TS]

00:55:48   then be this doesn't justify the number [TS]

00:55:50   7 not having the number seven is worse [TS]

00:55:53   yeah that's where I'm coming from [TS]

00:55:54   because then you then you then you're [TS]

00:55:55   like you're like buying into the store [TS]

00:55:57   anyway they could just go to think about [TS]

00:55:58   the letters and so this is the new [TS]

00:55:59   iphone for the numbers rather here [TS]

00:56:02   here's here's how you solve this problem [TS]

00:56:03   you're ready [TS]

00:56:04   one simple problem you call the seven [TS]

00:56:06   and you change all three four you change [TS]

00:56:11   all four colors [TS]

00:56:12   yeah like you even call them the same [TS]

00:56:14   names and just may call them like [TS]

00:56:16   lighter or darker just make them all [TS]

00:56:17   look different [TS]

00:56:19   visibly different animation and flower [TS]

00:56:20   power it's time yeah [TS]

00:56:23   stephen has finally had his day I was [TS]

00:56:26   honestly i would love cool colored [TS]

00:56:27   iphones personally but like even just [TS]

00:56:29   even if you keep the same colors but [TS]

00:56:31   that you offer now like the names just [TS]

00:56:34   change them all make them all will make [TS]

00:56:35   the phone look visibly different even if [TS]

00:56:37   the exact same stupid case the exact [TS]

00:56:39   same design adhesive make everything [TS]

00:56:41   that matters you know make it all like [TS]

00:56:44   the same physically make it look [TS]

00:56:46   different and people be happy with that [TS]

00:56:48   just you can still call space great [TS]

00:56:50   because everything is great with all the [TS]

00:56:52   greater effect how many space grades [TS]

00:56:55   have their business about 14 goodness [TS]

00:56:58   not and i will see what happens but uh [TS]

00:57:00   it'll be an interesting fall if that's [TS]

00:57:02   the case and I don't know I'm there's a [TS]

00:57:06   large part of me that [TS]

00:57:08   thinks maybe just slowing down isn't a [TS]

00:57:10   bad thing we keep this the three of us [TS]

00:57:12   especially keep talking about how how if [TS]

00:57:15   the Apple stretched so thin and how [TS]

00:57:17   they've got so much going on now granted [TS]

00:57:19   that's usually about software but still [TS]

00:57:20   it may be nice for Apple to have a [TS]

00:57:23   rebuilding year they make a piece such a [TS]

00:57:25   terrible thing and Wall Street just [TS]

00:57:26   imploded anything that nobody should [TS]

00:57:29   suggest that that the way for apples [TS]

00:57:32   slowdown is to release the iphone less [TS]

00:57:34   often [TS]

00:57:37   oh my god all right Casey you should not [TS]

00:57:39   direct Apple it sorry I mean in all [TS]

00:57:42   fairness neither should i but still that [TS]

00:57:44   that's the one option they should not [TS]

00:57:46   look well I mean short for the purpose [TS]

00:57:48   of wall street which granted is kind of [TS]

00:57:50   the purpose for that entire company [TS]

00:57:52   existing is to please Wall Street many [TS]

00:57:54   ways but I don't know it would just be [TS]

00:57:56   cool to see them breathe for a second [TS]

00:57:59   and take a breath in and make the iphone [TS]

00:58:02   8 even more amazing than we ever could [TS]

00:58:05   have imagined they gotta think it should [TS]

00:58:06   call the iphone 10 they're gonna skip 89 [TS]

00:58:08   and called the iPhone 10 because it with [TS]

00:58:10   10-year anniversary they can use Roman [TS]

00:58:11   numerals they want they'll take the [TS]

00:58:12   Roman or away from the mac operating [TS]

00:58:13   system give it to the iphone [TS]

00:58:15   there you go a conservation of excess so [TS]

00:58:18   good and you have everybody's saying [TS]

00:58:20   iphone access to my phone 10 and know [TS]

00:58:23   that they should actually call iphone [TS]

00:58:24   next like it's not a Roman numeral a [TS]

00:58:25   capital letter X confused yet wait to [TS]

00:58:28   wear your name more stuff iphone times [TS]

00:58:31   you remember the the very brief OS 10 [TS]

00:58:34   days to remember that what know the [TS]

00:58:37   capital capital s space capital X that [TS]

00:58:41   there was for like 15 minutes that was [TS]

00:58:44   going to be what they called forget it [TS]

00:58:46   was like that the shared operating [TS]

00:58:49   system between the Macan and the phone [TS]

00:58:50   is when they drop the iphone OS and [TS]

00:58:53   they're like the iphone runs OS 10 [TS]

00:58:55   remember that part of the presentation [TS]

00:58:56   during the initial iphone yeah yeah they [TS]

00:58:58   didn't say the iphone ran Mac os10 [TS]

00:59:00   iphone runs OS 10 [TS]

00:59:05   right and in the literature briefly in [TS]

00:59:08   annapolis press releases there was a [TS]

00:59:10   thing called capitulo capitalist space [TS]

00:59:12   capital X that was not referring to the [TS]

00:59:14   mac operating system later they were [TS]

00:59:15   dreaming that card and operating system [TS]

00:59:17   to that drop the mac and that didn't [TS]

00:59:20   last very long i think it may be a [TS]

00:59:21   miscommunication or they changed their [TS]

00:59:22   mind about the branding but was an [TS]

00:59:25   exciting day or two there it would be an [TS]

00:59:27   amazing troll John Gruber if they switch [TS]

00:59:29   to Roman numeral numbering for the [TS]

00:59:31   iphones that would be no people people [TS]

00:59:34   can handle roman numeral yeah well like [TS]

00:59:36   when you do get up into the high numbers [TS]

00:59:38   you do have to do something because the [TS]

00:59:41   iphone 17 I don't know it just doesn't [TS]

00:59:43   have the same ring to it but they're [TS]

00:59:45   they're fine for a while to start using [TS]

00:59:46   year's iPhone 95 know Microsoft has [TS]

00:59:49   tainted that whole naming scheme forever [TS]

00:59:52   yeah really it's not like there was a [TS]

00:59:54   good idea when they had it it served [TS]

00:59:56   them well but now everyone who uses it [TS]

00:59:58   is associated with like [TS]

00:59:58   is associated with like [TS]

01:00:00   windows operating system and office and [TS]

01:00:02   all those that even office dropped for [TS]

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01:00:44   them all of our house we sent them as [TS]

01:00:45   gifts to lots of people friends [TS]

01:00:47   relatives it is they make great gifts [TS]

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01:00:55   birthdays even simple things like you [TS]

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01:01:00   with somebody in your family [TS]

01:01:02   send them pictures from the trip on the [TS]

01:01:03   fractures like as gifts just so many [TS]

01:01:06   great uses for fractures if you're going [TS]

01:01:08   to get photos printed to hang up on the [TS]

01:01:09   wall or stick on your desk get a [TS]

01:01:11   fracture they are so much better than [TS]

01:01:14   getting like a regular print and then [TS]

01:01:16   having to figure out what i do is to put [TS]

01:01:17   in a drawer for ever do i go to a [TS]

01:01:20   framing store and try to get it framed [TS]

01:01:21   try to try to buy exactly the right size [TS]

01:01:23   frame then try to mount it myself [TS]

01:01:24   exactly aligned properly and don't get [TS]

01:01:26   dozen of them at any other photo print [TS]

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01:01:50   Apple almost bought time warner whatever [TS]

01:01:55   that or maybe anything according to this [TS]

01:01:59   rumor story i like the fact that [TS]

01:02:01   involves any cute because now i have [TS]

01:02:02   said well not really new image of them [TS]

01:02:05   but reinforcements of old image from [TS]

01:02:06   that uh that cover story when he was at [TS]

01:02:08   the basketball game just do that [TS]

01:02:12   mmm video of him yelling as excitement [TS]

01:02:15   is favorite players face anyway [TS]

01:02:16   according to this rumor from the [TS]

01:02:19   Financial Times DQ is all we should buy [TS]

01:02:23   Time Warner what you guys think [TS]

01:02:24   and that didn't really go anywhere and [TS]

01:02:26   Apple didn't buy Time Warner but the [TS]

01:02:28   fact that it was floated as an idea and [TS]

01:02:30   was vaguely resulted in meetings [TS]

01:02:33   according to this and and that there was [TS]

01:02:36   a thing that might be considered kind of [TS]

01:02:38   blends into the we talked about it a [TS]

01:02:41   couple weeks ago we're talking about [TS]

01:02:42   Jason L story about Apple should do [TS]

01:02:44   something like Netflix and sponsor its [TS]

01:02:45   own content that type of stuff Apple [TS]

01:02:49   getting into the creative content [TS]

01:02:51   business as not as a middleman not as a [TS]

01:02:56   distributor not as a store but as a [TS]

01:02:58   creator of original content or at least [TS]

01:03:00   under original content think that idea [TS]

01:03:03   still has legs and I just think Apple [TS]

01:03:05   hasn't quite figured out what to do [TS]

01:03:07   about it which is good there you know [TS]

01:03:09   considering all ideas and not quite sure [TS]

01:03:12   like it's bad to jump in with that time [TS]

01:03:14   warner itself is such a weird history as [TS]

01:03:16   a not a great to like there's not not [TS]

01:03:19   good precedent therefore the AOL time [TS]

01:03:22   warner merger which was kind of a [TS]

01:03:23   disaster and i know that wants to get on [TS]

01:03:25   that I'm not the right company by they [TS]

01:03:27   have HBO now and everything right so you [TS]

01:03:30   can kind of see where there's some value [TS]

01:03:32   there but on the other hand netflix or [TS]

01:03:34   have gone on it's on it's own apple [TS]

01:03:37   goodbye netflix like so many things you [TS]

01:03:39   can do when you have so much money piled [TS]

01:03:40   up and maybe that's part of it was like [TS]

01:03:42   money burning a hole in their pocket [TS]

01:03:43   they're trying to get back to [TS]

01:03:44   shareholders they're trying to buy back [TS]

01:03:46   their own stock they're doing all sorts [TS]

01:03:48   of things to try to try to make this [TS]

01:03:50   pile of money not quite increases the [TS]

01:03:52   same right I think that kind of leveled [TS]

01:03:54   off a little bit the rate of increase [TS]

01:03:55   but it's just so much money and if [TS]

01:03:57   they're not going to buy google which [TS]

01:03:59   they probably shouldn't really and [TS]

01:04:01   they're not going to by Nintendo and [TS]

01:04:02   apparently they're not going to bite [TS]

01:04:03   you finally we're never gonna talk about [TS]

01:04:05   that no buying some company that owns [TS]

01:04:08   the rights to a bunch of television [TS]

01:04:10   shows and has an existing system made to [TS]

01:04:14   create original content [TS]

01:04:16   it's not the worst idea in the world so [TS]

01:04:17   even though it didn't go anywhere [TS]

01:04:20   assuming this room story is true i like [TS]

01:04:23   the idea that this is what Apple's [TS]

01:04:24   considering doing with its money instead [TS]

01:04:26   of say i don't know i'm actually more [TS]

01:04:29   enthused about this about then the idea [TS]

01:04:30   of making a car for instance on the [TS]

01:04:33   other hand this was too bad for even AOL [TS]

01:04:36   to hold onto wasn't too bad for AOL or [TS]

01:04:40   was i well too bad for time warner that [TS]

01:04:42   was just a good point it could be there [TS]

01:04:43   i guess I forgot but now I mean that you [TS]

01:04:46   know in the world of you know in the [TS]

01:04:48   areas in which Apple competes now things [TS]

01:04:50   like that you know things that include [TS]

01:04:52   online media services and possibly [TS]

01:04:56   tv-related things in the appletv me with [TS]

01:04:59   people like Amazon playing hardball [TS]

01:05:01   which we can get to but there's much to [TS]

01:05:03   discuss having good original content is [TS]

01:05:07   important it is strategically important [TS]

01:05:09   it is important for sales of your stuff [TS]

01:05:11   and your device's it is important for [TS]

01:05:13   potential subscription services that [TS]

01:05:15   Apple might want to launch with things [TS]

01:05:16   like TV service or you know like a [TS]

01:05:18   necklace kind of service so it totally [TS]

01:05:21   makes sense why this is a plausible [TS]

01:05:24   story and why it might make sense for [TS]

01:05:26   apple or do something like this so you [TS]

01:05:28   know this is the kind of thing I mean [TS]

01:05:29   you know Apple is such a big company now [TS]

01:05:32   if you look at what other companies this [TS]

01:05:34   size do there's a lot of like big [TS]

01:05:36   acquisitions and stuff for strategic [TS]

01:05:37   reasons like that's totally normal i [TS]

01:05:39   know apple doesn't work just like other [TS]

01:05:40   big companies but you know there's gonna [TS]

01:05:42   be some similarities there and we're in [TS]

01:05:45   a big business world all this media [TS]

01:05:46   stuff we know we're in wherein x where [TS]

01:05:50   lots of monies being thrown around for [TS]

01:05:52   very important things and and a lot of [TS]

01:05:54   power shifting going on a lot of [TS]

01:05:56   high-stakes going on stuff this is gonna [TS]

01:05:58   happen and it makes sense and most of it [TS]

01:06:00   is going to be really boring for us to [TS]

01:06:04   talk about or to think too much about it [TS]

01:06:06   but you know this is this is the one [TS]

01:06:08   with analysis were in the big leagues [TS]

01:06:10   and we're in big company dealings apple [TS]

01:06:13   is no longer the scrappy underdog I [TS]

01:06:15   worry a little bit about [TS]

01:06:16   the size of acquisitions like I liked it [TS]

01:06:18   better when Apple is buying smaller [TS]

01:06:20   companies especially when it comes to [TS]

01:06:22   something that can really change the [TS]

01:06:23   character of the company as much as [TS]

01:06:25   getting into the content business i like [TS]

01:06:28   the idea of Apple getting into the [TS]

01:06:29   content business as just one aspect of [TS]

01:06:32   its ongoing strategy of selling digital [TS]

01:06:35   television movies you know all that kind [TS]

01:06:37   of stuff if you make a big acquisition [TS]

01:06:40   with the company that it's not as big [TS]

01:06:41   example but is actually really big how [TS]

01:06:43   do you incorporate that those assets all [TS]

01:06:47   that intellectual property all those [TS]

01:06:48   employees all those existing deals how [TS]

01:06:50   do you incorporate into that into Apple [TS]

01:06:52   without it significantly changing the [TS]

01:06:54   character of the company so that's why i [TS]

01:06:56   would say i would prefer smaller more [TS]

01:06:59   strategic purchases so for example of [TS]

01:07:01   Apple could just by HBO and the things [TS]

01:07:04   HBO on right instead of all time warner [TS]

01:07:07   or even just by Netflix because I think [TS]

01:07:10   they're the sizes of their business and [TS]

01:07:12   their entanglement is not Christ better [TS]

01:07:13   hey about to go out too late for that [TS]

01:07:15   those type of acquisitions I feel like [TS]

01:07:18   don't threaten don't threaten the [TS]

01:07:20   character of apple won't distract apple [TS]

01:07:22   from the important things is already [TS]

01:07:23   doing within in a distance as well as a [TS]

01:07:25   lot of competition but we'll give it [TS]

01:07:27   table stakes to be part of the [TS]

01:07:29   competition for you know TV set-top [TS]

01:07:32   boxes and having a value proposition why [TS]

01:07:35   should you buy our puck thing well we [TS]

01:07:36   have original content and that's why you [TS]

01:07:38   should do this and and it all this as [TS]

01:07:40   we've said many times in the best get [TS]

01:07:42   into the whole conflict-of-interest [TS]

01:07:43   where you know you sell a pop-up box [TS]

01:07:46   that lets me use the netflix app but [TS]

01:07:49   you're also competing with Netflix [TS]

01:07:50   because you have your own subscription [TS]

01:07:51   video service and you have your own [TS]

01:07:53   original content how does that work [TS]

01:07:55   that's I think you know that's [TS]

01:07:57   unavoidable this point the same way that [TS]

01:07:59   apple sells apps in the App Store but [TS]

01:08:01   also sells your apps in the App Store [TS]

01:08:02   and sometimes apples apps are free or [TS]

01:08:04   cheaper than yours can be and have you [TS]

01:08:06   know to the point where you know Apple [TS]

01:08:08   is funding the development of its iwork [TS]

01:08:10   suite with all the rest of the money its [TS]

01:08:11   makes if you're going to try to compete [TS]

01:08:13   with them you're not gonna be out you're [TS]

01:08:15   not doing it on a level playing field [TS]

01:08:16   but somehow everyone lives with the idea [TS]

01:08:19   that Apple sell software through its own [TS]

01:08:21   app store and also lives with the idea [TS]

01:08:23   that apple doesn't always have to follow [TS]

01:08:24   its own rules and all these other things [TS]

01:08:25   and we get along and it's not like [TS]

01:08:27   everyone leaves and a half it's harder [TS]

01:08:29   to do [TS]

01:08:29   music and movies and TV because there [TS]

01:08:31   are fewer players in their bigger and [TS]

01:08:32   are crankier but i think apple can [TS]

01:08:35   navigate that again especially since [TS]

01:08:37   everybody's doing it these days like [TS]

01:08:38   it's just going to be expected at some [TS]

01:08:41   point and it also makes sense in light [TS]

01:08:45   of apples apparent inability to cut a [TS]

01:08:48   reasonable deal for subscription video [TS]

01:08:49   service which we know they wanted to do [TS]

01:08:51   for a long time that they want to launch [TS]

01:08:53   it with the apple TV and just couldn't [TS]

01:08:54   and didn't [TS]

01:08:55   this is another angle well if we can't [TS]

01:08:57   figure out how we can license your [TS]

01:08:59   content and compete with cable or [TS]

01:09:00   whatever will go to bootstrap netflix [TS]

01:09:02   route and say will still sell the people [TS]

01:09:05   stuff but we're going to find on [TS]

01:09:07   original content and really in the grand [TS]

01:09:09   scheme of things funding your original [TS]

01:09:10   content couple hundred million dollars [TS]

01:09:12   here and there for a couple TV shows and [TS]

01:09:14   movies or two [TS]

01:09:15   its peanuts for Apple they probably [TS]

01:09:16   spend that much money [TS]

01:09:18   like I don't want to speculate about [TS]

01:09:20   what the budgets are out because I would [TS]

01:09:22   probably be way off base but in the [TS]

01:09:24   grand scheme of things for company with [TS]

01:09:26   hundreds of billions of dollars in the [TS]

01:09:27   bank is nothing and the potential upside [TS]

01:09:30   is huge so yeah i'm i'm all for [TS]

01:09:34   something happening here i am [TS]

01:09:37   disappointed that this is just a rumor [TS]

01:09:38   that it was considered a nothing [TS]

01:09:40   happened i'm disappointed there still is [TS]

01:09:41   no TV subscription service but I'm [TS]

01:09:43   heartened to hear that ideas like this [TS]

01:09:46   are floating around even if they do come [TS]

01:09:48   from medic you because content is king [TS]

01:09:50   here you know it in so many ways [TS]

01:09:52   look at what people will tolerate in [TS]

01:09:55   terms of bad devices bad apps bad [TS]

01:09:59   services incredible expense in order to [TS]

01:10:03   get specific content they're looking for [TS]

01:10:05   you know that the entire world of TV [TS]

01:10:09   cable video movies this is like [TS]

01:10:11   everything is you can just dictated by [TS]

01:10:13   like must have content and people are [TS]

01:10:15   willing to do crazy stuff like have [TS]

01:10:18   cable TV which if you think about it is [TS]

01:10:21   incredibly hostile and terrible in so [TS]

01:10:23   many different ways but people are [TS]

01:10:25   willing to do it for specific content [TS]

01:10:27   they get their people willing to you [TS]

01:10:29   know even even within the realm of like [TS]

01:10:30   iOS and apple TV and stuff people are [TS]

01:10:32   going to use horrible apps from other [TS]

01:10:35   companies in order to get must have [TS]

01:10:37   content people want to pay big money [TS]

01:10:39   look how many people pay for HBO ivory i [TS]

01:10:41   just described it will check [TS]

01:10:42   version of Bigfoot doesn't require the [TS]

01:10:43   cable subscription whether it's an hour [TS]

01:10:45   ago i forgot one of those we just we [TS]

01:10:47   subscribe to that now the app is [TS]

01:10:49   horrible and we're paying fifty dollars [TS]

01:10:51   a month i haven't paid a monthly fee for [TS]

01:10:54   television shows in almost 10 years and [TS]

01:10:58   now we're paying for this and using [TS]

01:10:59   their crappy app because they their [TS]

01:11:02   stuff on there we really want to watch [TS]

01:11:03   people are willing to make decisions [TS]

01:11:05   like that people are willing to to use [TS]

01:11:08   inferior apps to pay decent prices to to [TS]

01:11:12   change entire platform to not use entire [TS]

01:11:15   platforms like Apple TV or whatever [TS]

01:11:17   because of certain content they get [TS]

01:11:19   other places so it's very very important [TS]

01:11:22   for Apple to to play in that world it [TS]

01:11:26   you know if if the if its content that's [TS]

01:11:27   keeping people away from apple stuff or [TS]

01:11:30   that is not that that is that is making [TS]

01:11:32   it less of a good proposition for people [TS]

01:11:34   or the making of course experience [TS]

01:11:36   people to go use other things apple has [TS]

01:11:39   to get into the content business so it [TS]

01:11:41   till it makes total sense here that [TS]

01:11:44   Eddie go ahead and buy whatever [TS]

01:11:45   companies you want you have our blessing [TS]

01:11:46   we say it's okay well you just run past [TS]

01:11:49   me first think of a thumbs-up [TS]

01:11:50   thumbs-down obviously didn't stop [TS]

01:11:52   yeah but beyond that yeah alright go [TS]

01:11:55   ahead Eddie have fun and if anything [TS]

01:11:57   breaks you know where to drive it thanks [TS]

01:11:59   143 sponsors this week fracture casper [TS]

01:12:02   and 0 and we will see you next week [TS]

01:12:05   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:12:10   mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

01:12:15   it was accidental John research Marco in [TS]

01:12:20   kc would let him because it was [TS]

01:12:23   accidental was accidental and you can [TS]

01:12:29   find the show know today [TS]

01:12:31   DP died and it for twitter follow them [TS]

01:12:38   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:12:44   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

01:12:51   Syracuse [TS]

01:13:00   what [TS]

01:13:05   something big happened this past week [TS]

01:13:11   something happened this past week season [TS]

01:13:15   or Series 23 of top here started in [TS]

01:13:19   aired and began at cetera the new top [TS]

01:13:22   gear without our dear friends Clarkson [TS]

01:13:24   Hammond and may all three of us have [TS]

01:13:27   watched it and watch the whole thing I [TS]

01:13:28   don't really watch the beginning didn't [TS]

01:13:30   have time to watch the show you what you [TS]

01:13:32   wanted what was supposed to watch i go [TS]

01:13:34   to work come home and make dinner for [TS]

01:13:35   the kids the better do this the worst [TS]

01:13:38   well I'm Tony spoiler city now you said [TS]

01:13:41   in them you said in the middle of the [TS]

01:13:43   day when i'm at work you said we should [TS]

01:13:44   all watch top gear for today don't know [TS]

01:13:46   what the day what time did you think I [TS]

01:13:48   was supposed to watch this [TS]

01:13:50   after you got home from work let's see [TS]

01:13:52   what time the middle of the day was 657 [TS]

01:13:55   in the morning [TS]

01:13:57   657 in the morning i'd like to discuss [TS]

01:13:58   the new top gear on the post-show so [TS]

01:14:00   Marco if you haven't watched please do [TS]

01:14:01   so today [TS]

01:14:02   Marco did you do your homework I did [TS]

01:14:04   he's unemployed [TS]

01:14:05   well there's that but we're also not [TS]

01:14:07   allowed to give you homework because [TS]

01:14:08   that's what the theme song says yeah [TS]

01:14:10   anyway I would have watched the rest of [TS]

01:14:12   it if I had time but I didn't know so [TS]

01:14:14   how far did you get [TS]

01:14:16   I got through the first segment I feel [TS]

01:14:18   like that was enough i'm gonna watch the [TS]

01:14:19   rest of it be fair that's most of all [TS]

01:14:21   you need [TS]

01:14:22   so spoiler horn we will be a sounding [TS]

01:14:27   warning whatever the word is looking for [TS]

01:14:29   we have the right to you the spoiler or [TS]

01:14:30   I don't even know if you can use the [TS]

01:14:31   spoiler dog that's all in the family [TS]

01:14:34   ok so the spoiler spoiler dog has just [TS]

01:14:37   gone off let I think this that the new [TS]

01:14:42   the new Top Gear's i'll call it shows a [TS]

01:14:44   lot of promise i really really honestly [TS]

01:14:46   do really and and if you remember you [TS]

01:14:51   should and this is collective you not [TS]

01:14:53   you Marco not you John just anyone you [TS]

01:14:54   if you really want to see a rough car [TS]

01:14:59   show [TS]

01:14:59   go watch seasons one and two of the top [TS]

01:15:01   gear that had Clarkson Hammond and may [TS]

01:15:03   because they were borderline unwatchable [TS]

01:15:07   they were so bad or the american top [TS]

01:15:09   gear the american top gear particularly [TS]

01:15:11   in the beginning was unwatchable [TS]

01:15:13   I actually don't think it's bad but I'm [TS]

01:15:17   I mean teach their own a as we've [TS]

01:15:20   already established i'm not the arbiter [TS]

01:15:21   of what's good and bad haha but yeah let [TS]

01:15:24   me like the first season of top the top [TS]

01:15:26   gear that we know didn't even have James [TS]

01:15:27   May had Jason dollars i believe who did [TS]

01:15:29   like a used car segment on every show or [TS]

01:15:32   something like that I haven't seen it in [TS]

01:15:33   many many years but it was bad at the [TS]

01:15:36   studio audience had like 50 people in it [TS]

01:15:38   or something like that because it seemed [TS]

01:15:39   like nobody could be bothered with going [TS]

01:15:41   to the set to fail to you know be part [TS]

01:15:43   of the filming it was rough [TS]

01:15:44   this show season 23 episode 1 similarly [TS]

01:15:48   rough chris evans i was expecting to [TS]

01:15:52   love him because I'd heard just tons of [TS]

01:15:55   chatter about how much of a car guy he [TS]

01:15:57   is a gearhead if you're American petrol [TS]

01:15:59   head if you're not I was excited to see [TS]

01:16:02   him he seemed like you really love the [TS]

01:16:03   brand the brand seemed like he really [TS]

01:16:05   loved the opportunity i hated Christmas [TS]

01:16:09   so much oh my god did you like a Marco I [TS]

01:16:12   i'm trying to think of what i liked [TS]

01:16:15   about this about the show or joke about [TS]

01:16:18   chris evans because I was just I was [TS]

01:16:19   just concentrating chris evans at the [TS]

01:16:21   moment I know the answer is no they what [TS]

01:16:24   you're looking for is no yes yes I i [TS]

01:16:27   love Clarkson like he Clarkson is [TS]

01:16:29   bombastic and loud and obnoxious and [TS]

01:16:31   ridiculous but chris evans was just like [TS]

01:16:34   loud for the sake of loud i did not get [TS]

01:16:36   it and I did not care for it now [TS]

01:16:38   John what did you think of course Evans [TS]

01:16:39   I've never seen him before to my [TS]

01:16:42   knowledge we were watching the show he [TS]

01:16:44   struck me as an overexcited poor man [TS]

01:16:46   simon pegg and didn't give me what i was [TS]

01:16:50   looking for i'm looking for different [TS]

01:16:51   things and then you are certainly from [TS]

01:16:53   from top here again first show there's [TS]

01:16:57   always gonna be first jitters first [TS]

01:16:58   segment of our show [TS]

01:16:59   I give a lot of leeway I didn't get the [TS]

01:17:02   impression i I'm sure this is the case [TS]

01:17:05   but it wasn't communicated to me his [TS]

01:17:08   enthusiasm for cars in general like [TS]

01:17:12   enthusiasm was communicated but it [TS]

01:17:14   seemed like non genuine enthusiasm not [TS]

01:17:17   particularly focused on cars and I guess [TS]

01:17:21   like it's kind of rough comparing the [TS]

01:17:23   old top gear all the hosts were had [TS]

01:17:27   mellowed into their roles and could [TS]

01:17:29   relax and just kind of [TS]

01:17:30   be themselves and had sort of establish [TS]

01:17:32   that personality the old ones had sort [TS]

01:17:34   of the the gene hackman school of acting [TS]

01:17:37   as a injury so it didn't happen once [TS]

01:17:39   where someone's asking about his acting [TS]

01:17:42   technique and he says you if you're [TS]

01:17:43   acting for a long enough time and you're [TS]

01:17:44   in enough movies near enough things you [TS]

01:17:47   develop a certain poised based on your [TS]

01:17:49   years of experience and you pretty much [TS]

01:17:51   know how things are going to go down and [TS]

01:17:53   people interpret that poisons good [TS]

01:17:55   acting as the host of the show they've [TS]

01:17:59   been doing it long enough they can know [TS]

01:18:01   what their sticks are and they do them [TS]

01:18:03   to relax man on matter and you become [TS]

01:18:05   comfortable with it and is it the case [TS]

01:18:07   that the previous hosts were actually [TS]

01:18:10   Whittier and more insightful about cars [TS]

01:18:12   and these new ones [TS]

01:18:13   maybe but definitely they were more [TS]

01:18:16   relaxed and more assured in there sort [TS]

01:18:18   of roles and personalities when it comes [TS]

01:18:20   to their positions on these cars on our [TS]

01:18:22   end in general as you don't know i don't [TS]

01:18:24   like this silly stunt things they do [TS]

01:18:27   with cars [TS]

01:18:27   I like the part where they pretend to [TS]

01:18:29   review cars like as seriously as the [TS]

01:18:31   show possibly can [TS]

01:18:32   that's what I like that of the show then [TS]

01:18:34   I tolerate the parts where they play [TS]

01:18:35   with the giant soccer ball with a bunch [TS]

01:18:37   of small cars like I tolerate those [TS]

01:18:38   barely so the first segment being a [TS]

01:18:42   combination of let's review the viper [TS]

01:18:43   ACR and let's also do some silly thing [TS]

01:18:46   with Top Gun I didn't like my [TS]

01:18:48   combination like any of the segments and [TS]

01:18:50   chris evans just seemed overexcited [TS]

01:18:52   about nothing the only party came away [TS]

01:18:53   from the first segment liking was the [TS]

01:18:54   fact that the jet fighter pilot got sick [TS]

01:18:57   in the car [TS]

01:18:57   yeah yeah and Sabine is excellent like [TS]

01:19:01   she was relatively route relatively [TS]

01:19:04   reserved I thought on this episode I was [TS]

01:19:06   disappointed that she got like three [TS]

01:19:08   minutes of airtime but I'm super super [TS]

01:19:11   excited to see more of her cuz i've [TS]

01:19:13   enjoyed anytime she appeared on old top [TS]

01:19:15   gear if you well I thought the segment [TS]

01:19:17   was fairly cheesy i agree but I was [TS]

01:19:22   happy that they started with something [TS]

01:19:23   American which was surprising you would [TS]

01:19:26   figure they would just triple down on [TS]

01:19:28   all things British and then matt LeBlanc [TS]

01:19:32   came out and matt LeBlanc had also been [TS]

01:19:33   rumored to be a huge gearhead petrol [TS]

01:19:37   head and I wasn't sure what to make of [TS]

01:19:40   him [TS]

01:19:41   and I actually really liked him and I [TS]

01:19:43   can't figure out if it's because I'm [TS]

01:19:45   American and I'm just predisposed to [TS]

01:19:47   like other Americans on the show but i [TS]

01:19:49   really liked him I thought he did a [TS]

01:19:50   great job and and he was far and away my [TS]

01:19:53   favorite host of the basically three [TS]

01:19:56   that they showed some being Chris and [TS]

01:19:58   Matt and I can't hit Chris Evans all the [TS]

01:20:00   other thing i noticed i actually jumped [TS]

01:20:02   ahead the lap times that they used for [TS]

01:20:05   the supercars he actually rewrote all of [TS]

01:20:08   Clarkson's little stickies or whatever [TS]

01:20:10   in hint chris evans his hand which i [TS]

01:20:12   thought was kind of funny and i also [TS]

01:20:14   thought the jabs at clarkson hamden may [TS]

01:20:17   like they did make me giggle but i don't [TS]

01:20:20   i don't know i just didn't think it was [TS]

01:20:22   really necessary like I feel what he [TS]

01:20:23   said but something like oh we don't talk [TS]

01:20:25   about catering on this show anymore haha [TS]

01:20:27   yeah I find most of that pretty [TS]

01:20:29   cringe-worthy I feel like you do have to [TS]

01:20:31   acknowledge it like if you say nothing [TS]

01:20:33   it will seem weird but you have to do [TS]

01:20:35   it's a tough line to walk with you want [TS]

01:20:37   to do it in a way that is funny but also [TS]

01:20:39   respectful but also acknowledges that i [TS]

01:20:41   know that you know that I know that this [TS]

01:20:42   is weird and they didn't pull that off [TS]

01:20:44   I completely agree well set so yes matt [TS]

01:20:48   LeBlanc i really liked this segment with [TS]

01:20:49   the two of them the Reliant Robin like [TS]

01:20:51   it was ostensibly us vs Britain but [TS]

01:20:54   they're into British cars like it just [TS]

01:20:56   served no point to me and that I didn't [TS]

01:20:58   care for at all but everything took a [TS]

01:21:00   terrible terrible terrible turn when it [TS]

01:21:03   was time for the gas [TS]

01:21:04   this was the most ridiculous [TS]

01:21:06   cringe-worthy terrible interview I've [TS]

01:21:09   seen on top here so the premise was they [TS]

01:21:12   were having like a competition between [TS]

01:21:14   Gordon Ramsay and just see something [TS]

01:21:17   rather the dude who played Zuckerberg on [TS]

01:21:19   the social network and they were like as [TS]

01:21:22   a partner [TS]

01:21:22   thank you they were talking about like [TS]

01:21:25   oh who had the best first car and who [TS]

01:21:28   had like the best current car and it i [TS]

01:21:33   just thought it was terrible that sounds [TS]

01:21:36   like I haven't I haven't seen the [TS]

01:21:37   segment but that sounds like a good [TS]

01:21:38   premise for an interview like that [TS]

01:21:40   wouldn't be fun to have celebrities on [TS]

01:21:41   and have them compete over those type of [TS]

01:21:43   car related things but i guess they [TS]

01:21:45   didn't do it well no I think [TS]

01:21:49   if the roles were reversed I would have [TS]

01:21:50   said the same thing but having seen it i [TS]

01:21:52   thought it was terrible what did you [TS]

01:21:54   think Marco hmm where do i begin i mean [TS]

01:22:01   so to be fair I i started watching this [TS]

01:22:04   at 8pm or 745 so you have to fast [TS]

01:22:09   forward so I had died i knew i was going [TS]

01:22:10   to have to ask for the parts and this is [TS]

01:22:12   fine because for all top year I would [TS]

01:22:15   always fast forward through the British [TS]

01:22:18   Liberty interview and the star the [TS]

01:22:20   reasonably priced car segments because I [TS]

01:22:22   they were just too slow for me always [TS]

01:22:23   for those and usually didn't know the [TS]

01:22:25   people so it was fine so i gave this [TS]

01:22:27   show the same courtesy because I i [TS]

01:22:30   started watching a little bit of it to [TS]

01:22:31   give it a chance and it was so bad said [TS]

01:22:34   just dragged on so poorly in general my [TS]

01:22:37   one of my main complaints about about [TS]

01:22:39   what I saw so far and you currently [TS]

01:22:40   episode 11 my main complaints is that it [TS]

01:22:45   seems like both the writing and the [TS]

01:22:48   editing have gotten substantially worse [TS]

01:22:50   and that was made very clear in every [TS]

01:22:54   part of the show but especially in the [TS]

01:22:55   in the interview where it's like it was [TS]

01:22:57   clear that you know a lot of these [TS]

01:22:59   things are scripted that they're saying [TS]

01:23:00   they're trying to to make it seem like [TS]

01:23:03   it's not scripted it kind of float in [TS]

01:23:06   many ways [TS]

01:23:07   similarly to the the Tim Cook bono skit [TS]

01:23:12   before the finger-touch where it's like [TS]

01:23:14   it's so painfully obvious that its [TS]

01:23:17   scripted and they're trying so hard to [TS]

01:23:19   make it seem like it's not and doing a [TS]

01:23:21   really poor job of it that's how a lot [TS]

01:23:24   of this felt to me the interview the [TS]

01:23:26   it's the the challenge in quotes [TS]

01:23:29   whatever challenges were going on and in [TS]

01:23:31   reality it all just seemed like it was [TS]

01:23:34   really forced it seemed like everybody [TS]

01:23:36   was reading badly written cue cards and [TS]

01:23:40   having trouble seeing them i mean it was [TS]

01:23:43   it was so rough in so many ways and it [TS]

01:23:48   is the fundamental problem i have with [TS]

01:23:51   this is that they they walked right into [TS]

01:23:56   the shoes of a show where the show has [TS]

01:24:00   really moved beyond its initial premise [TS]

01:24:01   of [TS]

01:24:02   basically like a boring BBC show about [TS]

01:24:05   cars [TS]

01:24:06   you know I it moved beyond that into [TS]

01:24:08   these three particular people who had [TS]

01:24:11   great chemistry great personalities who [TS]

01:24:14   had years to develop into these into [TS]

01:24:16   this chemistry and these personalities [TS]

01:24:18   and and into the show and the show that [TS]

01:24:21   was really about them and and about [TS]

01:24:23   their their chemistry together the [TS]

01:24:26   things they did together then being [TS]

01:24:28   funny together being you know making fun [TS]

01:24:30   of each other and doing things together [TS]

01:24:31   it was really all about them it wasn't [TS]

01:24:33   really about the cars [TS]

01:24:34   sorry John it and so it isn't taken that [TS]

01:24:38   remove them and then they tried to just [TS]

01:24:42   keep it going in the same way with a [TS]

01:24:45   completely different cast and and some [TS]

01:24:47   minor variation on the formula but not [TS]

01:24:48   much variation and I just don't see that [TS]

01:24:52   working because what you have now is all [TS]

01:24:55   these people who don't who clearly have [TS]

01:24:59   no previous experience with each other [TS]

01:25:00   or there's not enough to matter i'm [TS]

01:25:03   trying to take a role of a show that [TS]

01:25:06   depends so heavily on chemistry and our [TS]

01:25:09   long-established personalities i just [TS]

01:25:12   don't see how it's going to work and and [TS]

01:25:13   it doesn't I mean I hopefully the show [TS]

01:25:17   will develop over time into something [TS]

01:25:19   people care about but the way it is now [TS]

01:25:22   I don't see that happening because i [TS]

01:25:26   think what what took it from that old [TS]

01:25:28   boring british car show and turn it into [TS]

01:25:31   the worldwide phenomenon that it was was [TS]

01:25:34   that it went beyond just talking about [TS]

01:25:36   the cars and doing you know skits with [TS]

01:25:38   cars and it went into something that was [TS]

01:25:41   way more mass appeal and could appeal to [TS]

01:25:43   people who only like whores a little bit [TS]

01:25:45   or did barely even care about cars at [TS]

01:25:47   all but we're just entertained by the [TS]

01:25:49   show the new show doesn't do that it the [TS]

01:25:51   new show is it kind of reminds me it or [TS]

01:25:56   it has shown me how little I care about [TS]

01:26:00   cars because I had I had no interest in [TS]

01:26:04   almost anything they did why realize [TS]

01:26:07   what I was actually watching for all [TS]

01:26:08   this time was the cast the end not this [TS]

01:26:12   cast now to maybe over time you know as [TS]

01:26:15   they're trying [TS]

01:26:16   too hard to be old top gear you know [TS]

01:26:19   there have been there been other things [TS]

01:26:21   in the past that have started off this [TS]

01:26:23   poorly i have gotten better i think the [TS]

01:26:25   the most direct clear example of this is [TS]

01:26:28   the US version of the office where the [TS]

01:26:30   the first couple episodes were like [TS]

01:26:33   direct clones of the british office show [TS]

01:26:35   with a whole different cast and trying [TS]

01:26:38   to be that and they were terrible [TS]

01:26:40   they were just so bad and eventually you [TS]

01:26:43   know maybe like one or two seasons in [TS]

01:26:45   the show kind of grew into its own and [TS]

01:26:47   became its own thing because it stopped [TS]

01:26:48   trying to be the old show and it became [TS]

01:26:50   its own thing and it ended up becoming [TS]

01:26:52   what I think one of the best shows [TS]

01:26:54   that's ever been on TV and so this I [TS]

01:26:58   hope this does that I I don't have [TS]

01:27:01   incredibly high hopes that it will based [TS]

01:27:03   on what I've seen so far but I hope it [TS]

01:27:05   does because it just so much of it just [TS]

01:27:09   didn't work for me at all I mean it just [TS]

01:27:12   seemed so forced so badly acted badly [TS]

01:27:17   edited badly written badly conceived the [TS]

01:27:20   end it's like you have this massive [TS]

01:27:22   budget and not enough talent to use it [TS]

01:27:25   right this is only episode 10 I mean [TS]

01:27:27   like Casey said if you're gonna think of [TS]

01:27:29   an example to show started off bad [TS]

01:27:30   episode 1 according to casey top gear [TS]

01:27:32   did like always ride i give them to give [TS]

01:27:35   them some time to settle and although i [TS]

01:27:37   wish i hadn't read the stories are skim [TS]

01:27:40   the stories about like who's shooting [TS]

01:27:42   with you on the show because it seemed [TS]

01:27:44   to me that from the from the first shot [TS]

01:27:47   that matt LeBlanc does not like the the [TS]

01:27:49   fake simon pegg I don't know those are [TS]

01:27:52   the two people who were supposed to be [TS]

01:27:53   feuding they were I believe but that's [TS]

01:27:55   but that's not a good that's not a good [TS]

01:27:57   start for you know your show is going to [TS]

01:27:59   be based on the chemistry and [TS]

01:28:00   camaraderie [TS]

01:28:01   whatever you say about the the badly [TS]

01:28:04   behaved slightly eccentric and [TS]

01:28:07   all-around strange old host of top gear [TS]

01:28:09   they seem to all pretty much get along [TS]

01:28:11   with each other as evidence from the [TS]

01:28:12   fact they had some amount of solidarity [TS]

01:28:14   to sort of stick to their jerky face [TS]

01:28:17   punching nonstick either guy when he got [TS]

01:28:20   kicked off the show like so I think they [TS]

01:28:22   all get along with each other at least [TS]

01:28:25   in the working relationship [TS]

01:28:27   and that came through on the show that [TS]

01:28:29   they mostly enjoyed being together in [TS]

01:28:33   doing the show together and I think you [TS]

01:28:35   need that if the show is going to be [TS]

01:28:36   based on chemistry you need that and [TS]

01:28:37   even though the show is not about the [TS]

01:28:39   cars in terms like a gearhead type [TS]

01:28:40   things where they're going to tell you [TS]

01:28:42   about tech specs and and go into the [TS]

01:28:44   nitty-gritty of the testing and stuff i [TS]

01:28:47   think everyone on that show had an [TS]

01:28:49   enthusiasm for cars that came through in [TS]

01:28:51   the cars that they reviewed like each [TS]

01:28:53   person would would review a particular [TS]

01:28:54   car and they would do the voiceovers and [TS]

01:28:56   I assuming they had a lot of influence [TS]

01:28:57   on how the segment was put together and [TS]

01:28:59   structured and that came through in the [TS]

01:29:01   reviews it's not like I read car [TS]

01:29:02   magazines for the more in-depth reviews [TS]

01:29:04   and stuff it's not like that's what I'm [TS]

01:29:05   looking for looking for basically the [TS]

01:29:07   same reason we like a columnist or [TS]

01:29:08   whatever like three individual people's [TS]

01:29:10   personalities that come to know talking [TS]

01:29:12   about cars that they have interesting [TS]

01:29:14   things to say about that they're [TS]

01:29:15   interested in whether they like them or [TS]

01:29:16   not or their into them or they're not [TS]

01:29:18   into them they always had an interesting [TS]

01:29:19   angle on the cars and I felt like the [TS]

01:29:21   segments were put together well edited [TS]

01:29:23   well and it's sort of like it was like a [TS]

01:29:25   coherent vision of it you know that [TS]

01:29:27   James May review is very different from [TS]

01:29:28   jeremy clarkson review and and all the [TS]

01:29:31   different cars were different user [TS]

01:29:32   different from each other and that's [TS]

01:29:34   what I enjoyed the show and I mean we [TS]

01:29:36   got into well I don't have a gun to the [TS]

01:29:38   car you saying was that easy our thing [TS]

01:29:39   it about you finish the episode is there [TS]

01:29:41   anything more in there for me [TS]

01:29:42   not really well anyway episode 1i give [TS]

01:29:46   them lots of Lee by in the meantime i [TS]

01:29:48   will try out the whatever whatever the [TS]

01:29:50   hell is called the Amazon think those [TS]

01:29:51   guys are doing a lot unfortunately grant [TS]

01:29:53   or if they're not reviewing cars at all [TS]

01:29:55   maybe i'll be not too excited about that [TS]

01:29:58   either [TS]

01:29:58   yeah i think that Marco really took the [TS]

01:30:02   words right out of my mouth that when [TS]

01:30:03   they the the rare occasions when they [TS]

01:30:05   didn't try to just follow the exact [TS]

01:30:07   formula i thought it actually went [TS]

01:30:09   reasonably well the starter reasonably [TS]

01:30:12   priced car is now starting rallycross [TS]

01:30:14   car i think they called it so it was [TS]

01:30:16   like a rally mini and part of the track [TS]

01:30:19   for the purpose of the stars is an [TS]

01:30:22   off-road segment which at first I was [TS]

01:30:24   like really and then actually I was like [TS]

01:30:26   I I've watched a little more thought you [TS]

01:30:28   know this is pretty good [TS]

01:30:29   hey they're trying something different [TS]

01:30:30   there there there trying some new I'm [TS]

01:30:31   okay with this i thought the US vs UK [TS]

01:30:36   segments with matt [TS]

01:30:37   and then Chris after the starter [TS]

01:30:40   recently reasonably-priced cars once [TS]

01:30:42   they got into the the Willys Jeep and [TS]

01:30:44   the and the Range Rover Land Rover Land [TS]

01:30:47   Cruiser i always get it wrong i'm sorry [TS]

01:30:49   it the it's all a mash mash up in my [TS]

01:30:51   head doesn't matter it's only a British [TS]

01:30:53   thing right whatever the only British [TS]

01:30:55   car they never matter yet never all its [TS]

01:30:59   complicated something out so much email [TS]

01:31:00   about this because i know they were like [TS]

01:31:02   the most popular offer cartoon world we [TS]

01:31:03   know etcetera block the point is all the [TS]

01:31:05   people in British cars don't listen is [TS]

01:31:06   there they're busy fixing their cars [TS]

01:31:08   shots fired in any case that segment I [TS]

01:31:12   actually enjoyed I thought that was that [TS]

01:31:14   was really good I thought Matt segment [TS]

01:31:16   on the air on the offroad Ariel Ariel [TS]

01:31:17   Atom I thought that was really good [TS]

01:31:20   the things that bothered me the most [TS]

01:31:21   about those two segments were exactly [TS]

01:31:23   what Marcus said earlier that even [TS]

01:31:25   though if you really look closely at all [TS]

01:31:26   top gear you could tell it was scripted [TS]

01:31:28   and maybe for some people who didn't [TS]

01:31:30   even have to a close but for me I I was [TS]

01:31:32   so caught up in the entertainment of it [TS]

01:31:34   I didn't really think about it and then [TS]

01:31:35   you look closely and you realize oh wow [TS]

01:31:37   this is totally scripted it was so [TS]

01:31:39   obvious here how scripted it was and [TS]

01:31:42   where it was completely clear that it [TS]

01:31:46   was that they were trying to follow the [TS]

01:31:47   script it just made it rough but all [TS]

01:31:50   that said I do think the host with the [TS]

01:31:53   exception of persons chris evans have a [TS]

01:31:55   lot of promise i'm hoping Chris Evans [TS]

01:31:57   gets his act together and lives up to [TS]

01:31:59   the expectation I had because he is so [TS]

01:32:01   well regarded as a radio host and that's [TS]

01:32:05   the other thing the other reason I hated [TS]

01:32:06   the interview because he's interviewing [TS]

01:32:08   people on the radio for decades and yet [TS]

01:32:10   it was such a rough interview but anyway [TS]

01:32:12   I do think it shows a lot of promise I [TS]

01:32:14   thought the cinematography was still [TS]

01:32:15   really really really good [TS]

01:32:17   maybe i'm easily amused but I thought [TS]

01:32:19   that was still completely up to snuff [TS]

01:32:22   and I really feel like if we give them [TS]

01:32:25   time this will end up ok the other thing [TS]

01:32:28   I should point out is that they did [TS]

01:32:30   another show called extra gear which is [TS]

01:32:33   kind of like a behind-the-scenes thing [TS]

01:32:34   that's only about half an hour if this [TS]

01:32:36   was curious I didn't see this yet but [TS]

01:32:38   I've been so i'd i'd really prefer not [TS]

01:32:40   to have spoilers if you don't mind but I [TS]

01:32:43   have heard it was very very good and [TS]

01:32:45   chris harris who was one of the hosts of [TS]

01:32:48   that [TS]

01:32:48   at least this episode of extra gear i [TS]

01:32:52   really like because he had a youtube [TS]

01:32:54   series for a long time a couple youtube [TS]

01:32:56   series is that were excellent and so I'm [TS]

01:32:59   really looking forward to seeing Chris [TS]

01:33:02   Harris on top gear without spoiling it [TS]

01:33:05   was extra gear good i take it you have [TS]

01:33:07   the time to watch it Marco so I i had to [TS]

01:33:10   do a lot of skipping through because I [TS]

01:33:11   was trying to fit in before the show so [TS]

01:33:13   I did I had a lot of skipping but i will [TS]

01:33:17   say that i had a way higher TIFF and I [TS]

01:33:19   both had had similarly low opinions of [TS]

01:33:22   of the main show and we both had [TS]

01:33:25   similarly promising opinions of extra [TS]

01:33:27   gear where extra gear is a different [TS]

01:33:30   cast almost entirely it's it's Sabine [TS]

01:33:33   Schmitz the it's it's just the guys name [TS]

01:33:36   Matt Chris Harrison area that show was I [TS]

01:33:41   think substantially more promising it [TS]

01:33:43   was kind of like after dark [TS]

01:33:45   behind-the-scenes kind of thing but they [TS]

01:33:47   also did like some original bits here [TS]

01:33:49   are some original things here and there [TS]

01:33:50   it's it's clearly a way lower budget [TS]

01:33:53   thing and you this is clearly like the [TS]

01:33:57   b-team in like celebrity rankings i [TS]

01:34:01   guess like that whatever politics let [TS]

01:34:02   them choosing these weird people for the [TS]

01:34:04   main show but to me that has a way [TS]

01:34:08   better chance of developing into [TS]

01:34:09   something good [TS]

01:34:10   the main show does because those hosts [TS]

01:34:13   are not only I thought substantially [TS]

01:34:15   better and their enthusiasm for cars is [TS]

01:34:18   more obvious and clear and and his is a [TS]

01:34:21   better integrated into the show but [TS]

01:34:24   they're doing like less goofy crap [TS]

01:34:26   because it there there the role of that [TS]

01:34:29   show is not to have like a fighter jet [TS]

01:34:32   fly around it's like all the goofy crap [TS]

01:34:35   the main show did extra gear didn't and [TS]

01:34:39   it was people it was it was what you [TS]

01:34:42   want the main show to be in many ways [TS]

01:34:44   which is three people who are very [TS]

01:34:47   passionate about cars who know a lot [TS]

01:34:48   about it and can talk that talk well [TS]

01:34:51   about them in a in a seemingly less [TS]

01:34:54   scripted way or unscripted way compared [TS]

01:34:56   to the main show so honestly I think [TS]

01:34:59   that I think extra gear is the better [TS]

01:35:01   show and [TS]

01:35:02   when you see extra gear it kind of makes [TS]

01:35:05   you wonder why they didn't just make [TS]

01:35:06   these people the host of the main show [TS]

01:35:08   that's too bad i mean i'm excited to [TS]

01:35:11   watch it even more so now but that's too [TS]

01:35:13   bad that's the way the hosting the cash [TS]

01:35:15   you know kind of played out [TS]

01:35:17   so did you like Matt LeBlanc are not [TS]

01:35:19   really honestly no I I really didn't [TS]

01:35:22   like him or chris evans yeah I'd like [TS]

01:35:24   either of them and I I you know I mean I [TS]

01:35:27   saw his hotmail bonking friends I have [TS]

01:35:29   really father's work since then but I [TS]

01:35:31   really you know I had a fairly neutral [TS]

01:35:32   opinion going in I never never saw the [TS]

01:35:34   other guy but I thought both of them [TS]

01:35:37   were pretty painful [TS]

01:35:39   honestly it was it was hard to watch it [TS]

01:35:41   was very hard to watch because i thought [TS]

01:35:43   they were both so they were both doing [TS]

01:35:44   such a mediocre job reading you know [TS]

01:35:49   doing things and and reading things that [TS]

01:35:51   were you know written in mediocrity hand [TS]

01:35:54   and it just it was not my position on [TS]

01:36:00   the show is now I'm just gonna let you [TS]

01:36:03   keep watching it and you tell me what a [TS]

01:36:04   good because I am I have zero interest [TS]

01:36:08   in seeing any more episodes of the show [TS]

01:36:09   until everyone else decided that this [TS]

01:36:12   has become good we'll see how it goes [TS]

01:36:14   i'm i'm curious to see I am I am hopeful [TS]

01:36:18   I'm excited that that we have two shows [TS]

01:36:21   to watch their was fifth gear back in [TS]

01:36:24   the day that actually just got canceled [TS]

01:36:26   which i used to watch when I could and [TS]

01:36:32   it was a much more serious motoring show [TS]

01:36:34   so might have been much more up jonn's [TS]

01:36:35   alley but it was never quite the same as [TS]

01:36:40   top gear was always kind of an also-ran [TS]

01:36:41   I'm hopeful that even hopefully the [TS]

01:36:46   grand tour of the new top gear if you [TS]

01:36:48   will with with the original three hosts [TS]

01:36:50   i'm hopeful that's really good i'm [TS]

01:36:52   hopeful that Amazon treat it right and [TS]

01:36:54   I'm also hopeful that they get their [TS]

01:36:56   their act together on the the actual new [TS]

01:36:59   topic that we spent all this time [TS]

01:37:00   discussing because i really do think [TS]

01:37:03   there's promise there but man wore it [TS]

01:37:07   was rough this first one we'll see i [TS]

01:37:10   think there's a reason why we've seen [TS]

01:37:12   all these different spin-offs and clones [TS]

01:37:16   and everything of the show and none of [TS]

01:37:18   them have taken off there's a reason for [TS]

01:37:21   that and what we have now is basically [TS]

01:37:24   just another top year clone or spin-off [TS]

01:37:26   I don't think it's going to go very far [TS]

01:37:29   I think it will probably be cancelled [TS]

01:37:31   within maybe three to five years at most [TS]

01:37:33   and I think you know whatever Clarkson [TS]

01:37:37   and may and Hammond do is going to be [TS]

01:37:40   what we are mostly paying attention to [TS]

01:37:42   but we will see [TS]

01:37:44   yeah but I'm hopeful i mean i agree with [TS]

01:37:47   with nearly everything you said but I am [TS]

01:37:49   hopeful and John you should watch the [TS]

01:37:51   rest of the episode never be spoiled it [TS]

01:37:52   just so you can see and then decide [TS]

01:37:54   which one to whether we are trying to [TS]

01:37:57   shine a turd or if it's actually really [TS]

01:38:00   just a diamond in the rough [TS]

01:38:02   i will enter the extra gear Spain word [TS]

01:38:05   is that on after it like when it is one [TS]

01:38:07   of that supposed to be there is that [TS]

01:38:08   web-only or something [TS]

01:38:09   now you believe was on after I think you [TS]

01:38:11   can get it on BBC america or if you have [TS]

01:38:13   a friend that might have acquired it you [TS]

01:38:15   might be able to get it off of his flex [TS]

01:38:17   or technology perhaps possibly maybe [TS]

01:38:20   it's right next to the main show on [TS]

01:38:22   Casey's flexor verge on it that's it [TS]

01:38:25   that's how I might have seen it so they [TS]

01:38:26   are they airing them and I get BBC [TS]

01:38:28   america they airing them in real time [TS]

01:38:30   are easy America not real time I think [TS]

01:38:32   it was a Monday that they aired on BBC [TS]

01:38:36   america because the show airs on sunday [TS]

01:38:38   evenings on the actual person but it's [TS]

01:38:40   not delayed by like a week or anything [TS]

01:38:41   it's like a day off [TS]

01:38:43   that's correct and for Lisa was this [TS]

01:38:46   week and I don't know how much time was [TS]

01:38:49   allotted to it on BBC america the term [TS]

01:38:53   is saying that it will be consistently [TS]

01:38:55   on Monday nights on BBC america but i'm [TS]

01:38:57   not sure i'm not sure if they're going [TS]

01:39:00   to do the thing that they used to do [TS]

01:39:01   where they cut it down and add [TS]

01:39:03   commercial that so the runtime is [TS]

01:39:05   actually an hour on the BBC honestly [TS]

01:39:07   that would be doing a favor [TS]

01:39:09   what happened potentially but yeah so [TS]

01:39:12   they used to cut out scenes and also [TS]

01:39:14   change the music which that was another [TS]

01:39:16   thing i meant to bring up the music i [TS]

01:39:19   didn't notice any of the music on that [TS]

01:39:21   episode which is peculiar because [TS]

01:39:23   usually the music on top gear is at [TS]

01:39:26   salons and friend of mine put the guy [TS]

01:39:29   who got me into top here actually said [TS]

01:39:31   to me that he had he doesn't think they [TS]

01:39:33   actually licensed and license any actual [TS]

01:39:35   songs like like popular songs to use on [TS]

01:39:38   the episode they just found like the the [TS]

01:39:42   aural equivalent of stock photography in [TS]

01:39:45   order to fill out the episode novelist i [TS]

01:39:47   watch back since he said that i might be [TS]

01:39:49   wrong he might be wrong but on the i'm [TS]

01:39:52   curious to see whether not that's true [TS]

01:39:54   in any way I bring that up because of [TS]

01:39:55   the BBC america version they didn't have [TS]

01:39:57   a look at the rights to all the songs [TS]

01:39:58   for anywhere with the UK so changing the [TS]

01:40:00   music and would be crappier they would [TS]

01:40:01   cut it down from an hour to 42 minutes [TS]

01:40:03   because commercials and it was just [TS]

01:40:05   terrible additions and I don't know if [TS]

01:40:07   that's going to be the case again for [TS]

01:40:10   for the new top gear and may or may not [TS]

01:40:12   be all right I'm hopeful we'll see that [TS]

01:40:15   makes one of us [TS]

01:40:16   no no matter what you can satisfy your [TS]

01:40:18   cravings for car related things by [TS]

01:40:19   buying a t-shirt and quickly very [TS]

01:40:22   quickly it but right now [TS]