The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► egg salad is not delicious salt and [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► mayonnaise are delicious that's what [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► you're tasting exiled is not delicious [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► salads awesome are you talking about [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► exhales good exhales fine it's not too [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► late i wouldn't am NOT going to rave [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► that's ridiculous a it's delicious but [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► it's quite good what exactly it's not [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► delicious see I i went through several [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► containers of your actual chicken salad [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► which is good is your chicken salad but [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► i also had egg salad to compare with him [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► when it came time like somebody can tell [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► you know like you feel like you have a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► preference you go either way depending [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► on the mood for when I came time to pick [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► is kinda leaning towards the eggs out a [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► lot it's the yolks man that's what does [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► it's the yolks we should talk about [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► t-shirts all right yeah so it was late [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► breaking news after we had recorded that [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► we were able to get everything squared [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► away between ourselves with cotton [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► bureau who who have been excellent so [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► far so many things to je and timmy [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► cotton bureau we have two shirts up for [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► sale in case you haven't heard or [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► haven't looked [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► one of them which we kind of call [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► watches is inspired by ricardo melo's [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► tweet and then j designed it is pixel [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► art as everyone expected [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► John has thoughts about this pixel art [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► but it's the three of us with our [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► respective choices of wristwear and then [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► the other one is just kind of our logo [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► shirt which is kind of combination of [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► our automotive heritage and our current [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► are our automotive and current in and [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► macintosh heritage for those of us who [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► around in the six colors days which is [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► basically just John so they'll be up for [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► sale and so what third of june i believe [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► so as this episode is released probably [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► about another week [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► don't delay don't forget I cannot tell [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► you how many people have said after the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► last round of shirts went up [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► oh yeah just never watched never pulled [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► the trigger on ordering it i just forgot [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► and so can you make them again no we [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► can't so pull the trigger as you're [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► thinking of it [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► get yourselves a shirt if you want i am [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► really happy with this year shirts [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► especially since up until like a week [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and a half before they went up for sale [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► we had no freaking clue what to do for [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► shirts so I'm really happy with them [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► and you should buy one to support the [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► show so thanks everyone who has one and [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► everyone who will buy one [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► yeah thank you so far we haven't [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► repeated any shirts so again the same [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► thing like you I don't know for maybe [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► we'll this from this year on we'll just [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► review the same sure it's over again but [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► so far we haven't repeated any so if [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► you'd like one of the shirts don't [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► assume i'll just buy an extra because it [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► might not be the next year or it might [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► but anyway same will have a critical [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► shirts that I sold just once and I still [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► get people to me to this day take the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► years later like I missed out buying [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► those shirts [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► i mean--and and make no mistake these [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► are expensive t-shirts especially your [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► shipping them especially if you're [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► shipping them far away all podcasters [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► expensive i know i have i have literally [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► at boxes in the Attic filled with [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► podcast and website t-shirts but they're [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► cool to have and in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► things they're actually pretty rare [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► because who listens to weird technology [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► podcast and then who buys a t-shirt for [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► a technique party is not a lot of people [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► so I kind of machine we didn't make it [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► for WotC but I think they're fun shirts [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► and I have had a question for you guys [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► we haven't talked about this on twitter [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► we have no one I believe has spelled out [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► the visual metaphor of the ATP logo [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► shirt and I have been hesitant to do so [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► because I feel like explaining it kind [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► of makes it worse but maybe I'm wrong [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► maybe people maybe people would be more [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► excited about the sheriff the understood [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► what we were going for [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► so would you like to explain yeah it's [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► pretty obvious connection if you're in [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the right mindset but if you're not [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► thinking that way might not occur to you [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► and of course you don't know anything [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► about cars and you don't care then like [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► explaining to someone who does know [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► anything about cars [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it's pointless because they don't care [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► right yeah so I guess we're not [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► explaining it when people feel free [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► alright well okay well since ing [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► summarizer in chief yeah exactly so [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► since I'm the only current at BWW owner [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► this is a play on the BMW M symbol which [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► will put a link to that in the show [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► notes basically BMW M is there uh [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► motorsports group and so Marcos and five [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► which we've talked about ad nauseam on [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the show and certainly was kind of the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► driving art behind neutral the way that [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► logo looks is it's three colors and [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► there's a story behind them i think one [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► was bavaria one was texaco which had a [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► deal with BMW at the time [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► m was created and one was just like a [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► purple to kind of blend the two so Jay [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► at cotton bureau completely on his own [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► accord like with zero input from us [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► thought oh well I can take the six [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► colors from the original mac and then do [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► a kind of stylized ATP and kind of blend [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► our automotive history coming out of [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► neutral and get like old-school Mac [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► flare going and get kind of a mash-up of [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the both and you keep saying Mac like [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► those are like those pc users who say [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► you like mac computers is Mac making an [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► ipod now in all categories into the mac [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► store and you know captain iron Mac [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► makes phones now I'm sorry to offend you [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► old man what was the appropriate the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► apple logo it's the rainbow striped [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► apple logo it's a logo they had really [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► like the first you know 15 or whatever [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► years of the company's existence [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► fair enough I I regret the air thank you [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► and god I'm gonna get so many emails but [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► I saved you from the emails now feel [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like it's been addressed my apologies [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► for that but anyway the point being that [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► it's a combination of the original apple [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► logo and the BMW m logo or inspired not [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the original apple logo I'm saving you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► again wonderful original apple logo was [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► that was that pen-and-ink drawing of the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► guy under the tree for you some emails [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► and quick anyway yeah i was telling a [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► double selling t-shirts with the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► original apple logo on them along with [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► the rainbow stripes apple logo and a [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► bunch of icons and other stuff on their [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► 40th anniversary i tried to get some [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► tried to have my minions in cupertino [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► buy them from the apple store infinite [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► loop but they were too late they were [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► sold out [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► yeah actually we have millions there I [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► need somebody get me some pens for tiff [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► but yeah you know I have mins maybe you [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► find in any case so please uh if you [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► have if you have the means by shirt also [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► a John alluded to touched on this [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► earlier but we do understand i know it [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► doesn't sound like we do but we do [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► understand that shipping is extremely [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► expensive across the pond and we are [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► genuinely very sorry for that in hand on [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► heart we weighed that as as a con when [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► deciding how to do the t-shirts this [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► year there are other t-shirt vendors [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that that people use that we have used [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► that have [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► I have overseas presses or printing or [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► whatever you call it [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► we wanted to go a different route this [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► year and try something different and I [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► really really really appreciate anyone [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► from Europe or Asia or really anywhere [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► other than North America that is bought [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► one of these shirts because I know [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► shipping is just out of control and I am [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► sorry for that but look at it this way [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► these shirts i am super proud of them [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and if it wasn't for Jay at cotton [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► bureau they would not looking anywhere [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► near as good [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► you should see the the illustration [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► Marco sent as a as a like save that yeah [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► great example of patent hands yeah it's [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► really just as an example of what we [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► gave jay with regard to the to the three [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► hands with three risks especially bad i [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► mean I wasn't I would have done worse [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► i'm not trying to like throw stones i [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► would have done much worse job but that [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► illustration with respect marco was [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► pretty freakin bad and Jay made it [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► because because the best of the best [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► part about it is that he meticulously [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► drew i'm assuming on the ipad ya go with [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► like the pencil he meticulously drew his [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► watch was like that's really cares about [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► that haha and a hand with these [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► misshapen mutant paddles it's like hands [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► hands whatever I can't draw what you [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► spent so long and that watch I'm going [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► to see you like zooming in and carefully [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► drawing the hands trying to draw your [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► beautiful little Swiss whatever-the-hell [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► watch it is and then the hands are just [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► a mess [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► first of all that is not a separate that [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► is not like an exact representation of [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► any of my watches and I didn't take that [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► Wonder you took longer than expected [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► draw the quote-unquote hands [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► yeah well yeah so suffice to say it look [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► in the show notes you can see marcos [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► original illustration to j and we never [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► told him pixel art or anything he just [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► took that upon himself and did a just [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► killer job with it so I again just to [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► bring this back around and try to redeem [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► myself summarizer in chief [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► we are very sorry about the shipping [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► costs we really truly are and we are [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► super appreciative of anyone to buy [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► shirts but particularly those overseas [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► and because i know it is a big ask and [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► and I wewe really thank you and [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► hopefully if we do shirts again next [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► year we'll have some different mechanism [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► for doing this but no guarantees we'll [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► see how it goes [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► moving right along we should prob [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► we do some follow-up place Jacobson I'm [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► so sorry i had written in don't know if [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► this was via Twitter or an email but [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► they said after submitting a burst of 20 [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► installs is submitting an iOS app a [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► burst of 20 installs from California [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► occurs this has happened recently but [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► did not happen between october in [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► February so perhaps there's some sort of [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► automated testing going on when you [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► submit to the appstore more than just [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► like the checking for private api's and [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► things like that [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► more recent are more rigorous or perhaps [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► more timely a automated testing that [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► that's another theory is none that the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► following year that I heard a lot is [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that a lot of people under the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► impression i'm not sure if its founder [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► not that the delays in review like you [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► you know in the olden days several [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► months ago you'd submit an application [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► and take like a week or whatever to get [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► through the review process and a lot of [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► people think that's because Apple [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► intentionally doesn't look at your [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► application for a long time [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► ah as a form of training to make you [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► think I think twice before you submit [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► don't waste our time submitting your [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► application if you're not super duper [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► sure that it's ready to go up and to [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► teach you that lesson [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► no matter when you submit we're just [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► going to sit on and do nothing even if [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► we don't have anything else to do even [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► if we have a capacity we're just going [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► to intentionally ignore your app for a [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► week just to teach you a lesson to say [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► see it's always going to take at least a [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► week so don't submit in haste always you [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► know make sure your i's are dotted and [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► your T's are crossed that doesn't sound [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► like something that makes sense to me [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► for Apple as a business to do so maybe I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► don't again I don't know if these [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► reports were based on inside information [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► or testing or theories or whatever just [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► feeling like it but that doesn't strike [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► me as something that reasonable maybe if [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► there was something like that it would [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► be like we don't bother looking your [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► application for the first four hours to [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► give you a chance to think better out if [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► you're actually submitted but i can't [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► imagine them sitting out and not doing [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► anything for a week so I'm still [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► thinking that the decreased review times [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► have to be the result of something that [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Apple's intentionally doing because they [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► want the review times to be shorter not [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► longer [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► well I mean there was so this this past [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► week on the talk show Rene Ritchie was [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► the guests with John Gruber [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► and renamed they were talking about this [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and and you could kind of tell that [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► renee has information about this that he [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► has heard in the best friend anyway he [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► basically like suggest what the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► information is generally the content of [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► what category it is but doesn't actually [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► tell you anything to get him anybody [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► else in trouble but it basically sounds [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► like there was a significant management [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► change in a preview likes in some kind [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► of like and it wasn't this wasn't built [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► ignore the app store but it might have [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► been you know related to that in some [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► way but like it wasn't that change but [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► it was like some other changes that [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► further down the line in a preview that [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► basically got some people out of the way [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► who would cause holdups and that is [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► apparently the end and seeing some [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► policies and that that is apparently [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► what the result of this was if you read [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► between the very very obvious lines that [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► Ranger on the doctor last week so that I [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► think is very interesting also I i agree [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► with what you said i don't think they [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► were ever like artificially delaying [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► things necessarily 22 a week because if [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► they were you would have never seen a [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► review time less than a week and that [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► wasn't true you know if you would look [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► at the at the history on on that shine [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► development site that was collecting all [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the stats for everybody that still is [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► click on the stats everybody it [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► fluctuated and sometimes it is sometimes [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► it would go you know down to like six [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► days five days and then go back up i [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► think what instead was the case was you [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► know we we know that Apple is very [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► performance metric driven these days [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► especially in the middle management [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► levels so I think they just to find the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► performance metric to be you know ninety [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► percent or more in a 95 and that you [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► know whatever the percentages we want X [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► percent of apps to be reviewed within a [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► week and we consider that success so [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► that whenever they would start getting [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► you no way above that and would start [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► that numbers are suffering [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► maybe they would add more staff maybe [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► they would she make changes to to get [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► that number back down but it seemed like [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► they considered that good enough for all [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► this time and so a combination of maybe [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► changing that opinion may be changing [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► that metric something lower as well as [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► whatever this this management change was [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► that happened that i think is very [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► plausibly what what went on here to [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► cause a few times to do [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► up from a week to less than day and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► don't have to be like a week [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► specifically just the idea that there is [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► there there's excess capacity that Apple [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► could review your application but [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► instead let's either decrease staffing [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► or send people home early or like like [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► they're intentionally like the delay is [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► actually part of their policy within a [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► tent that was that the theory that they [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► like Apple Apple always could do this [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► but they were intentionally not doing it [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► that's slightly different than they had [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► a metric that meant people got to go [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► home without staying for overtime as [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► long as they hit X percent because i can [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► imagine Apple being what it is they [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► probably staff so the people have to [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► work really really hard to get whatever [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the numbers were there not like [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► overstaffing then giving them a logo [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► letting the people go home at three [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► everyday like it's not it's working [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► also the the idea of automated app [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► review or or or adding another automated [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► step of app review to you know before [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► get to the humans that I think has a lot [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► of Merit it's not an easy problem to [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► solve but if you can have some kind of [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► automation that basically just like try [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► slight push a bunch of buttons in a nap [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► Apple has said on a number of occasions [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► that the most common cause of a project [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► about projections is the app crashes [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► during review so if they can automate a [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► process where they just bring up bring [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► up into the app and just like push some [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► buttons and attempt to in an automated [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► way basically guess how to use the app [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► and just like navigate to different [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► screens if they can cause a crash to [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► happen during that everyone has to get [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► to a human it can be adjusted right then [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► go right back to the developer and say [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► alright this this failed [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► here try again and that that could also [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► result in major time savings for the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► humans and therefore better throughput [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► for the apt to get through that test [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► cool so drew hannay wrote in they said [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► among other things it's always been [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► pretty complicated to understand what [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► exactly swiping a nap out of recent [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► actually does under the hood was this [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► regard to android actually and right [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► let's talk about the clear all button [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► like wouldn't it be fun to clear all [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► discovered of the pictures on your [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► screen but did nothing to the process we [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► are neither a mere android podcast by [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► the way sorry material so anyway so they [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► they said it's always been pretty [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► complicated understand what exactly [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► swiping a nap out of the recents [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► actually does into the hood [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► one important distinction on android is [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► that the thing that shows up in your [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► recent screen isn't actually a nap it's [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► a task and remember on Android a nap can [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► have multiple tasks in recent at the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► same time like having multiple google [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► docs open at once when you swipe away a [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► nap it finishes the task which tells the [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► app that the user is done with that [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► workflow and it doesn't need worry to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► worry about restoring that you I state [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► if the app is doing black background [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► worker has other open tasks its process [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► would not be killed if there's no more [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► open tasks the background job swiping [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► away a nap will let the system note is [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► the option of killing the process but it [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► doesn't guarantee that it will clear all [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► button shouldn't have a dramatic effect [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► on system performance on Android since [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it usually won't mean that all that [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► processes are killed but it does have [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► the downside of losing any user state [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► from their open tasks [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► that's very interesting to me that is [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the way Android works because i didn't [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► know most of that and it was also [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► interesting to me how many people who [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► seem to claim their seem to view [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► themselves as you know nerds nerds [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► tweeted about how oh yeah i do that too [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► and that's great John which I thought [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► was quite funny the only feedback that I [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► saw that I thought was very interesting [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► was people who said they wanted to clear [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► it out not for like battery not for [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► memory or anything like that which is [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► because they didn't want that that that [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► view that drawer if you will to have a [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► bunch of things in it they just wanted [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► it to be clean so they didn't have [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► clutter there which still to me seems a [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► little bit peculiar but makes a lot more [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► sense than thinking oh this is going to [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► save my battery or prevent something [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► weird from happening but they changed [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► the iOS policy be more like android [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► android when you're when you're clearing [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► these things it's explicitly not killing [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► your application like if your [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► application is running background jobs [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that lets them keep running right and it [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► just gives it the audi also basically [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► saying is when I relaunch that don't [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► bring it back to exactly where else [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► which is still kind of punitive because [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► it like you're punishing people for like [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► I don't like the visual clutter I want [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► to get the rectangles away right and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► there is a punishment for that which is [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► next time you want to that application [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► it will remember where you left off [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► is it will you know just bring it back [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► to a fresh state or whatever it would be [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► nice if all these operating systems i [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► guess maybe either took the speaker way [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► entirely in which case like you just [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► deal with the clutter or I gave people a [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► way to like [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► like the the newer Android and like I [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► don't know if it's hard coded 27 or you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► can adjust it but only show a certain [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► numbers who never gets more cluttered [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► than some small amount you know or just [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► make it to get rid of the pictures and [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► do nothing else right now men and as [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► drew said there is still of course an [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► android way to actually for script to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► kill things it's it's more deeply buried [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► but it's there and as many people [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► pointed out to us on iOS there is [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► another way to force with applications [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► besides flicking them up you can also do [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► the hold down the power button thing but [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► instead of swiping to turn off the phone [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you you hold down the home button or [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► anyway there are lots of ways to force [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► quit things but flicking up of the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► squares half of it is the force quitting [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► habit and the the voodoo and [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► superstition about that and the other [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► half is just people like things to be [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► neat and tidy and both of those things [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► have I feel like detrimental effects on [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► the experience of using the phone [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► probably i would say more detrimental [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► than the mental distress caused by [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► having lots of rectangles but I guess [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that's something to worsen things around [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► outside on their own our first part [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► design is fracture fracture prints [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► photos in vivid color directly on glass [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► now you can hang these anywhere you can [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► put them on desk and put them on walls [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► you can give them as gifts these glass [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► photo prints look amazing [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I have them all over our house now [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► they're they're everywhere we have [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► fractures everywhere now there they [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► started out a few in the office then [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► they became a lot in the office and they [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► spread outside the office now there's a [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► couple in the kitchen and one in the den [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► i think there might even be some of the [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► stairs now [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► and of course you sent a lot of them as [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► gifts as well fractures are great [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► because these are photo prints on these [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► nice thin lightweight pieces of glass [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► and so they have this foam board backing [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► so you can hang them the you know you [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► can have a picture hangnail even comes [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► in the box with the screw you need to [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► hang into a wall [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► I Morgan was a lightweight triangle nail [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► doesn't matter these are nice and [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► lightweight easy to hang easy to deal [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► with it they ship them really nice they [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► don't break and shipping and they just [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► look fantastic you have this [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► edge-to-edge print and vivid color of [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► your photo and we can be it can be an [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► illustration it can be a doodle it can [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► be art it could be a photo from your [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► phone or a photo from a good camera they [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► all look good and we have them [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► everywhere they make fantastic gifts and [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► they're very very affordable price are [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► just fifteen dollars for the small [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► squares [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► which are great for Instagram they're [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► about the size of a CD case maybe if any [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► of you are old enough to remember what I [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► see case looks like they're they're [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► roughly that size and and then of course [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► you know that bigger sizes up that but [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► you know that sighs just like 15 bucks [TS]

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00:20:16 ◼   ► fracture me.com and use code ATP 10 to [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► get ten percent off thank you very much [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► to fracture for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► ah so there's been rumors about new [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► macbook pros they're coming eventually [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► first of all if you go back to the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► original article i believe it's it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► clarifies that its q4 of apples [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► financial calendar they're coming which [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► is july ok so the rumor is that that in [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► in quote q4 this year which everyone [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► interprets to mean October through [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► December app will be releasing new [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► macbook pros that are substantially [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► redesigned so that they're you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► they're going to be thinner gonna be [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► like we're gonna have the new skylight [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► cpus and they're going to have a few [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► other interesting changes that we will [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► talk about in a second so before you [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► before you before you move on [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► how confident are you about this whole [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► queue for confusion because when I read [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► this article my my overall sense of [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► sadness was like q4 seriously how long [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► have we been waiting for the macbook [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► pros to get updated and now i have to [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► wait until like the end of the year like [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► the fall and winter time and then you [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► telling me I don't know q4 is not that [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the financial q4 which is different [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► makes me feel better but how sure are [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► you about that because I have to know [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► how to feel before you move it was good [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► computers are going to be like I'm just [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► repeating what other people said so [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► maybe I'm not so sure I don't know now [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► it now I'm doubting everything [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► well anyway all i can say is that if if [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► you if you people can't get one of these [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► things in their hands until the end of [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the year that seems like that seems bad [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► like I mean you can blame Intel for a [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► certain amount of the delay but really [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► like we can't get new macbook pros until [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► the end of 2016 if I had told you in at [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► the end of 2014 that there's not going [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► to be new macbook pros until the end of [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► yeah I don't like it especially [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► i think it's it's made worse because of [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► the fact that the the researchers long [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► delay with Intel's cpus hear that [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► they're currently shipping basically [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► three year old cpu like that the guts of [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the macbook pro that you buy today [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► there've been there was like the one [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► minor update in mid-2015 but it was a [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► very minor update it changed almost [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► nothing about them and so basically [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you're buying like 23 year old hardware [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► today as the curse of the pro label [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► right this is you would put on a cpu [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► ages to be three years old in the market [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I think that's the new rules [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► yeah which I mean like cosmetics aside I [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► mean you know we can talk about cosmetic [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► in a minute but like just the fact that [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► apple continues to sell really pretty [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► ancient hardware by computing standards [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► for so long now you know we talked about [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► before like I know why some of these [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► things are this way like I know that [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► they that they generally wait until [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► there's like a substantial cpu update [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► from Intel and that those have been [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► delayed in recent years but that has to [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► change because I know they do care but [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► when they let the hardware age for this [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► long [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► still at the top of the line it looks [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► like they don't care anymore about it [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► and I again I know they do care but this [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► is how it looks to buyers this is how it [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► looks in the market it looks like apples [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► just ignoring the mac and letting these [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► things language and don't know if that's [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► true it looks that way to nerds to tech [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► nerds other people don't even know what [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► that is in them but I mean where its [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► technical podcast know people do people [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► do research you know you you gotta get [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► give people credit they do their [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► research and when people are looking to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► buy an Apple computer they go online and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► they look and they find things like the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► microwave buying guide says like all the [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► stuff is three years old like like the [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► people do their research they find stuff [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► out they know anybody who see it finds [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the macrumors buying guide is pretty far [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► over into the computer and everything I [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► it's a factor i'm just saying like there [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► is there is a whole other section of the [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► population that never looks that stuff [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► but in the grand scheme of things even [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► if they don't know they're still even if [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► you don't know or care about the age of [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► the cpu you are still affected by [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► because it's actually affects the useful [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► lifetime of your computer because it is [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► a three year old cpu whether you know it [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► or not and so three years later using a [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► six-year-old cpu whereas a battle kept [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► up-to-date you would have more life left [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► in your lap [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► top then it's not as bad as be spending [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► this vs SD where you're you know you [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► sort of prematurely age when you realize [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► that everyone else as these but you know [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► maybe you can upgrade years or whatever [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► cpus don't hate your laptop as bad as [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► other things but it's all cumulative and [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► basically what we're doing is here as as [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► people knowledgeable about you know the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► platform and the products is we're [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► judging the products how good the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► product is this and you can't judge it [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► to be a particularly stellar product if [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► the innards are really old and out of [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► date and as you know as time marches on [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► and competitor products get better [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► innards for usually less or the same [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► money you have to judge Apple's products [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► more harshly and as people who other [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► people might ask about computers you [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► might say now is not a good time to buy [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► the macbook pros with it they're going [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► to be updated soon but if we've been [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► saying that for two years at a certain [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► point where like is I don't know if it's [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► bad advice is good advice for trying to [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► kind of predict the future like you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► should you buy this should not but once [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► it's a three year old cpu even if [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► numerical approach didn't come out for [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► another year [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► you can't really good conscience tell [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► people you should buy this computer [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► assisted great product you could say you [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► should buy a computer because it [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► basically your only choice if you want a [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► mac laptop like you know the these [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► laptops they sell and a whole bunch of [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► them are better and compromise in a [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► bunch of reasons but if you need a [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► laptop now you got to get one but I can [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► honestly say this is not actually a star [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► product unlike say the 5k iMac which [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► came out of the gate and I was you know [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► good and all the the ways we expected to [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► be good right oh yeah i mean like the 5k [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► imac has been fantastic and that has [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► like that is you know that originally [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► came out a year and a half ago and then [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► six months ago they made the updated [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► version and it's it's a fantastic [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► computer it is it has new up-to-date [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► components it was updated one year after [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► came out with even newer even more [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► up-to-date components like that is a [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► healthy release cycle [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► yeah you know with regard to the date [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► something to consider is and we're [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► getting--we're going to get to some [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► interesting new hardware tidbits in a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► second but what if one of those hardware [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► tidbits requires a major release of OS [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► 10 and that isn't doesn't typically [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► shift until fall so maybe it is the fall [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► because they need the software and I [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► know they'll be like a point release [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► ahead for a lot of things but I [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I don't I don't think today's apple is [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► delaying hardware for software all [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► absolutely they are not except for [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► except for new devices like the watch [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► you know you're going to see the watch [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► but for her laptops I'm saying even if [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► they have a weird screen above the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► keyboard that we'll get to in a minute [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like they don't just work that into the [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► old OS if they needed to ship them like [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► they do that so many times where some [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► boring old Mac is ready to ship but the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► the they would like ship with the new OS [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► but it's not available with it so [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► they'll end up checking that you did [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► with OS versions like the net up [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► shipping it with the with leopard or [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► something when not leopard without with [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► Tiger even though lever was about to [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► come out and then people would get it by [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► the time they get into the story was [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► still have the old OS but then you get [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► it and they would upgrade you for free [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► or whatever like I don't think [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► especially with i was 10 i don't think [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that's what they would be holding back [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► this hard work and wait for the software [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► unless there's some amazing new feature [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► nobody here's here's the scenario here [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► alright so the new laptop suppose it has [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► touch ID like this report says and [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► everyone says there's going to be Cirie [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► in new OS 10 so suppose it has a touch [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► ID button or surface or circle or [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► something maybe the power button who [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► knows somewhere there's a touch ID think [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► they're right and then also somewhere on [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► the keyboard in the in the effing row [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► then look at which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► minute in the afternoon maybe the Serie [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► button there is no OS 10 version until [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► the fall that will that will support [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► those things in all likelihood the OS 10 [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► version that comes out in the fall they [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► can't bring those things forward or they [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► won't bring those before they don't feel [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► bring those things forward to get [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► through it earlier because the OS 10 [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► version the fall also has stuff that [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► integrates with the iOS version coming [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► in the fall and the iOS version coming [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► in the fall is tied to the iphone [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► hardware schedule and the entire company [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► is dictated by the iphone hardware [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► schedule know that seems plausible i [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► forgot about touch ID thing without the [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► secure Enclave the other thing like [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► assuming there's touch anything that's [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► probably a secure Enclave thing and [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► that's yeah the screen i say no because [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► the screenwriter driver for us but the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► touch ID and that security stuff [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► yeah alright well that's that's crappy [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► but that's life [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► it's so that's right so we we've bounced [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► off the outer atmosphere of the changes [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► here but we should probably talk about [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it so it's gonna be really cute for [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► probably it's probably gonna be like [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► some timber October ok [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► a fair enough so there's apparently [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► going to be a replaced effing row where [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► all the f1 f2 f3 etc keys are now little [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► mini oled displays i'm not sure what to [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► make about I feel like there was a [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► keyboard that it would likely in the pre [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► Kickstarter days but it was a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► Kickstarter kind of project where there [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► was a keyboard that they wanted like the [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► entire keyboard to have little mini [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► displays on each key and the theory was [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► which made a lot of sense to me it was [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► the optimist keyboard was it ok by the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► art lib dems studio [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► yes yes that's right you're absolutely [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► did that ever ship yeah it was delayed [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► for like years i think and it would end [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► up being very expensive but i think it [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► did in fact ship and now there's like [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► now like a bunch of keyboards now do the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► exact same thing here sits there [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► yes so that the idea being that you know [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► all of these different displays can be [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► reprogrammed so think of sort of kind of [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► having all the benefits of a keyboard on [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► screen like on a phone or tablet but [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's still a physical keyboard but you [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► can reprogram with the key show and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► potentially what they do and so I can [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► see maybe you have like a yellow on the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► current keyboards the f what is this fa [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► f8 key is play pause well maybe it's [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► play pause in finder or by default but [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► maybe in other apps it does other things [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► and it shows you right on the key like a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► little logo or or maybe even a logo in [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► the word so as to what it does so I can [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► see this being neat but I all I also i'm [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► not sure that this is something I really [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► need but I'm anxious to see what they're [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► going to do with it what do you guys [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► think Marco you you have tweeted about [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► this and don't sound too enthusiastic is [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that fair to say well so if the the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► initial reporting of this rumor had it [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► as the FN key role would be would [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► disappear like the keys would no longer [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► be there should be one screen one screen [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► not keys with screens on the right [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► exactly and that's the initial rumors [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► that it would be 11 like one long strip [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► of of oled screen and it would be [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► touch-sensitive and so you would just [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► like push it like it's like it's a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► skinny ipad screen basically and so that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you know if that ends up being if this [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► thing is real and if that ends up being [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► the way it's done [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► I don't like that very much at least on [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► principle will see you know if they [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► actually did something like that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► we'll see how it turns out a change your [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► mind but I there was a discussion with [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► about that particular rumor on clockwise [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► this week today actually so that I think [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► like not having physical buttons to push [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► their on this keyboard that you're [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► probably not looking at like yeah the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► the keys in the effing row are not that [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► frequently pushed by most people but for [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► the people who do frequently push them [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► and that you know the other include some [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► pretty important keys like escape which [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► is like that your shortcut to cancel [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► dialog boxes which is kind of frequently [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► hit also frequently if your vm user [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► among other things a lot of programs are [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► for code completion so like there-there [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► are and as you said like the media keys [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the volume up and down the play/pause [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► the mute anybody who uses the the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► various like things that used to be [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► called expose their now lumped into all [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► these other things and i always use an [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► 11-4 show desktop like those things [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► those are very frequently hit by by a [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► good number of users i think and so if [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► you remove those as keys at all and it's [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► just this this touch surface that you [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► need to reprint we need to look at it to [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► see what you're hitting [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and you wouldn't get the physical [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► feedback of a keypress to know that you [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► did hit it correctly that is high i [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► really hope we never get to that point [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► because you know there's a reason why in [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► all these all the effort that we've put [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► into making things thinner and lighter [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► and mechanically simpler and removing [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► buttons [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► there's a reason we still have keyboard [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► buttons on computers even when you look [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► at the macbook one and you see we barely [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► have keyboard buttons but we still have [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► keyboard buttons for reason and that is [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that when you are not looking when [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► you're typing blind it is way easier and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► more accurate and faster and [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► ergonomically better to have key [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► switches that blew up and down but you [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► can feel when you push so the idea of [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► replacing this this trip with something [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► but with no LED strip to to accomplish [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► various goals you know that the benefits [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► here would be you could make you can put [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► stuff under that part [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► to make because it would be thinner [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► wouldn't need any kind of travel under [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it and presumably these the screen but [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► it could be very thin in the keyboard [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► row could be so you could shove more [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► more of the computers guts or battery [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► under that area so you have you save [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► something there it would look cool maybe [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► if you look tacky so you'd say that you [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► know you gain something there you go [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► banner ads on a towel it's not a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Chromebook nevermind yeah yeah yeah so [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► like there you could see the reason to [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► this and and I should point also like [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► any use for like status things and pc [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► laptops have had displays it you know [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► above the keyboard that show statuses of [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► things for for a long time [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► also on the covers and on the back on [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► the side this BS was in every possible [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► surface of pc laptops there was a [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► windows feature they were touting like [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► 10 years ago they were like the new [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► windows features like secondary screens [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► on laptops and it's always supported and [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► basically pc manufacturers go ahead [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► figure out where it's a good idea to put [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► a screen and you just try to sell things [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► like this and r us will support them and [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► doesn't seem like a really caught on [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► that much [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► yeah so anyway like Apple could do this [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► that way with with replacing the FN key [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► entirely different hero entirely with [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► with a screen i hope they don't do it [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► that way unfortunately we've heard from [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► a certain tipster that that's not how [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► they're going to do it that that the the [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► tipster suggested that what he saw or [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► around was not that version of it but [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► was was instead a you still had the the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► physical buttons and the screen [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► augmented the buttons in in some way so [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that I'm hoping that is correct and that [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► i wouldn't mind if Apple does this right [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► i think it's it's gonna be fine i really [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► hope they don't get rid of the entire [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► effing kero itself because I really want [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► those keys to be there but I don't [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► really care how they're labeled I got an [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► idea you could sell an external keyboard [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► like this and called the Apple extended [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► keyboard and then finally happened with [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► selling keyboard that is not a tiny [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► little piece of crap with no inverted T [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► arrow keys on it i don't get him started [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► don't even get me started you're wrong [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► sir some chatroom credit a windows side [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► show was what the great name [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that's fantastic like the the external [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► like the support for weird [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► secondary displays on laptops and Nathan [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and pointed out that a man was trying to [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► think it was a OS 10 lion came out with [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► Renault Sport 10.7 point five because [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► basically the the fully read and [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► supporting a os10 wasn't out yet [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► yeah and the old the app store came to [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► 10 610 68 ya think ya anyway so that's [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► that's the FN key role I think we have [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► that well coverlet of other other [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► comments on that I think the idea of [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► having a big like you know that the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► doctor says that I'm doing but just [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► having a big flat screen like the the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► obvious reasons that's bad and you're [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► one over them like they do you know you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► feel turkeys you want to feel the edges [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► are it span but it's just one big flat [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► screen but I have to think and we've [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► joked about this so many times and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► talking about the macbook keyboard and [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► everything like well why even have keys [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► at all is going to be so little travel [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and part of the whole big sales pitch of [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► the original iphone presentation was [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► like I look at all these phones they [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► have all these buttons on them but you [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► kind of have to pick the buttons when [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► you make the phone and you can't change [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► after the fact but what if we made the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► whole screen of the phone the whole [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► surface of the phone screen then you [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► have to worry about with the buttons are [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► because software we can change them all [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► time and everybody said yeah all [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► software but then how the hell can you [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► feel the keys when you're trying to type [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► on the thing because it's just a big [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► flat screen we work that out as a [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► society we now know how to type on a on [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► flat screen phones [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► it's a little bit different because the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► focal distance between looking at the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► keyboard and looking at the screen is a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► little bit better on a phone than it is [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► on a laptop combination like you're kind [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► of looking in the same place at the same [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► distance as opposed to you know looking [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► at the keyboard obviously touch type of [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► starting to say I don't like this second [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► i'm a touch typist I don't have to look [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► at the keyboard [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► I wonder what percentage of the world [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► population looks at the keyboard when [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► they type not on a phone i'm like a [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► regular like laptop or desktop keyboard [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► maybe it's pretty high maybe it's not I [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► don't know but they still have the same [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► focal distance question anyway I there [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► was the final thing that I can't [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► remember the source of this may be one [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► of you will was it was an Aymara [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► somebody did a survey of how fast can [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► you touch type on a on ipad keyboard [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like a totally glass keyboard by age and [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► they split up by age and the old people [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► of course were horrendously bad touch [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► typing on it and the younger you got the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► bigger the bars get up to the point [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► where people were typing faster on the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► ipad keyboard then I can touch on a real [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► type on a real keyboard i'm a terrible [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► typist is not a big judge but they were [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► into like you know over 60 words a [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► minute this is cortex by the way I was [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► the context yep [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► yeah anyway um it makes me wonder about [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► the future like it for now we're all [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► glad if they do the separate buttons [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► with LED things that looks cool we can [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► feel the bottom edges and I know I don't [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► look at the keyboard when I hit the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► Escape key and many other things like [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► I'm not really a touch typist I don't [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► type the right way but in practice I can [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► program without looking at the keyboard [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► even though my fingers are doing [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► completely the incorrect thing down [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► there but you were going to get old and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► retire and die and eventually I don't [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► think it's too unrealistic to imagine [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► that it's possible not guaranteed but [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► possible that future future future apple [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► laptops could either a not exist or be [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► just have an entirely you know have an [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► entire screen for the keyboard area [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► because it would be thinner and it would [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► be infinitely configurable and people do [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► get used to them and people can actually [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► get fast with them and it makes me a [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► wonder about the future [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► yeah i mean like i think my ideal setup [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► here because I do recognize like the the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► advantages of having like dynamic [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► softkeys where you mean maybe some of [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► them the system defined as always having [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► pretty much the same function things [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► like you know volume controls and then [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► some of them you know our application [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► defined and applications consider when [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► you have like photoshop or logic or [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► whatever active then you can map these [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► buttons to these commands and actually [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► show them on there and that that makes [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► it easier to learn the keyboard [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► shortcuts and were these functions [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► become more accessible and everything [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► like that there is also do the fuzzy [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► targets too just like the phone keyboard [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► does that was another big selling point [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► the phone keyboard like oh we know that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the most likely in the English language [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► the next letters has a much higher [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► percentage chance to be you know in our [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► than X so even though you're a little [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► bit off of the the key that you're [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► trying to hit will you know like the [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► sort of fuzzy matching for where your [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► figures tap and you might think oh I [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► don't need that when the keys are [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► full-size but maybe you do maybe it [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► would help like there are things you can [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► do with a completely software-controlled [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► fully flat glass [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► keyboard that you can do with a physical [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► one will ride might be good but i like [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► it to me I i think that the the happy [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► medium here would be that you still have [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the physical buttons there that you know [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► like because I mean if you're doing the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► entire keyboard not just the f0 if you [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► need a higher keyboard i think your [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► argument makes more sense even though i [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► think i would hate that but you would [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► have it would be so much more powerful [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► as you could do things like well the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► entire left half is going to be a jog [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► wheel instead of keys you know like you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► could do dynamic stuff ya know that [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► that's what I'm saying that this is the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► entire thing would be just it would just [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► be like be you know just like tapping on [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► ipad is just one big flat piece of glass [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► with all the not a bunch of individual [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► keys like because it almost feels like a [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► weird in-between State to have like the [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► optimist keyboard where it's like we [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► want the keys to be infinitely [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► configurable they'll always be the same [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► size and position right but I think in [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the context of a mac and you know [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► especially a mac laptop wear whatever [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► keyboard bass they ship in a mac laptop [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► you're stuck with like you know I mean [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► you could put other keyboards like on [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► desks when you go park it on a desk but [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► like when you are out in the world or [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► using your laptop like on the couch or [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► by itself with no additional hardware [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► and that's like whatever keyboard that [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► that hasn't it you don't have a choice [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► so I think in the current context of [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► like how people use macs and pcs like I [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► think it's important to have a physical [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► keyboard and I think you know looking at [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► things like a macbook one where you know [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► Apple goes to incredible lengths to make [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► a really crappy physical keyboard but [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► it's still better than typing on glass I [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► I think Apple probably agrees that the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► Sun Apple agrees that you know in the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► mac landscape you need physical keys so [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► if you're gonna have physical keys and [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you want this this key strip to be [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► dynamic it makes sense to also keep [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► those as physical keys because the way [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► people are going to be using that [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► keyboard is still going to be based on [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► field for the most part and you're not [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► really going to gain much you know if if [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you only have a thin strip on top of the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► keyboard to customize the software [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you're not really going to gain much by [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► by having that be a flat touch surface [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► that you wouldn't also have by having [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► them be [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► Silky's and you and you also want there [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► will be no cost to it then to the user [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► like there will be no downside if [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► they're still physical keys you're gonna [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► change the labels on them you know that [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► then then there's no complaint there's [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► no downside except cost and complexity [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► but you know seems like apples okay with [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that i think that sounds fine and I [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► think that that would that be my happy [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► medium is sure if you're gonna do this [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► make it like the optimist keyboard puts [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► create put some kind of screens on each [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► key or put a big screen below all the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► keys make them clear or something I [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► don't know but that's yeah it'll be a [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► screen HQ but like out for the big flat [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► glass thing you can also cover the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► trackpad that point too i get an [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► estimate of its a simplification that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► may improve your resistible eventually I [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► if if the customer base eventually get [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► to the point where they feel like we can [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► sell this product and not too many [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► people complaints of the really old [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► yeah i just want extended keyboard is [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► that too much to ask that is not a thing [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► anymore that apple doesn't really it's [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► like they want the keyboard to be super [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► small because they're all used on [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► submarines or whatever i don't know i [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► don't want the use cases for constantly [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► making the keyboard not just their fine [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► whatever I don't really care that much [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► about that but narrower like am I using [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► in coach class on United I don't know [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► what why does it have to be so I've got [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► this big desk here like like take off [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the numeric keypad fine but you can be [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► inverted T I use I use those keys when i [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► type and program also a quick comment on [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► the fitness of keyboards here just first [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► second articles are saying that this new [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► macbook pro has a thinner keyboard that [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► is like the macbook one keyboard this [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► would normally freak me out except the [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► tipster said many times in the chat that [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yes it is that general type of keyboard [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► however it is much closer to the new [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► standalone magic keyboard then the [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► macbook ones total crap keyboard [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I've tried the magic keyboard in the [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► store in okc you love yours right [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► I cannot say enough good things about it [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► with the exception I i agree out prefer [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► the inverted T but I've learned to move [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► on from it [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► don't page down home and then don't miss [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► those guys and being a normal place [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► where you can find them really easily [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► no really honestly that's what years [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► this seriously you don't use page up and [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► page down know you have the Marquis but [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► i never use them you swipe on your silly [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► little mice when I used windows [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► as I used home and end of the time but [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► now i use command left member and that's [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► you know right now home and then doing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► what they're supposed to do not what [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► they doing windows me what we're gonna [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► do is I'm gonna beginning of the line of [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that home but world is that home at the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► top and the bottom thats command up in [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► command down easy peasy [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► so the point is so yeah I love the magic [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► keyboard is my favorite keyboard that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I've ever used and i have tried just [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► about any of the popular keyboards or [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► close variants thereof and I grew up on [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the IBM was at the IBM or something like [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the the ridiculous chuckling springs you [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► love him [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► yeah and so I i'm not a keyboard snob [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and I don't really typically care for [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► really loud clicking keyboards however i [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► love the magic keyboard more than [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► anything in the only flaw I see it is i [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► do agree with you that I wish I had the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► inverted T so I love this thing [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► yeah totally with you on that but [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► overall like the magic keyboard i think [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► it's fine like I i have no problem with [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► that so if the tipster is right that the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► new macbook pro keyboard is much closer [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► to that than to the macbook one keyboard [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► that's fine [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► however i would just generally to say [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► like I there were a few people on [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Twitter who were kind of saying worrying [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► things to me earlier about how think [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► keyboard to keep getting thinner it is [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► great to have laptops that are thin [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► light but in general what matters more [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► is the light not the thin and keyboards [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► way almost nothing [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► no matter how thick they are like the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► keyboard component of a laptop is mostly [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► empty space and the key travel is all [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► empty space of course the kids have to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► move up and down all matter is mostly [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► empty space [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► thanks John and I so happy you had an [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► idea i was on the kick of like trying to [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► stop email from people who had the idea [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► the new the new level of well actually [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► well actually all matters most and [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► anybody gone i was gonna do it all right [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► so anyway so yeah keyboards are [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► extremely lightweight if you're talking [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► about making laptops thinner and lighter [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► again lighter matters more than thinner [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► and if it gets to the point where you [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► start sacrifice [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► pricing the usability of the keyboard if [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► you have to ship a crappy keyboard in [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► order to make the laptop you know [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► appealing visually to make it thinner [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► from the side which is an angle with [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► nobody ever looks at it i think that's a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► bad choice i think apple went too far [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► with that but also harder to pick up by [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► the way as they get better it gets [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► harder to eventually it's like and I [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► know they cut the edges and they make it [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► but like at a certain point of you being [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► thinner and thinner you don't have [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► enough edge left to even come up and [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► have like you put it down is like trying [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► to pick a cooling-off very smooth table [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► is hard to do [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► yeah it also makes it harder to open the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► lid but anyway and that's will wait to [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► anyway so like my point is i think if [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► you are optimizing a laptop for thinness [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► I think you're optimizing it for the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► wrong thing you should let them this [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► follow from battery removals which will [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► result in a more efficient cpus more [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► efficient components things like that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► and and things like getting rid of the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► optical drive and you know make another [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► command center but i don't think you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► should ever be at a point where you are [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► making the keyboard hard to use or less [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► economically friendly or otherwise [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► horrible for the sake of Shaving like [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► another millimeter off the case [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► thickness because if the laptop is still [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► very light and it's just like a [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► millimeter thicker to accommodate better [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► key switches that's fine [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► like that that's an acceptable trade-off [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► for a laptop because you want laptops to [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► be light but you don't need them to be [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► paper-thin and if you just like it we're [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► not talking about a big difference here [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► we're not talking about like going back [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► to the old powerbook g4 thickness to [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► have a decent keyboard you don't need [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► that you can look at today you can look [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► at the macbook air and you can look at [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the macbook pro today and you know [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► personally what about to be in a few [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► months you can make a great laptop with [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► a great keyboard that's very very thin [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► but i think the map one took it too far [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► and and it sounds like with with the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► these nuru macbook pros if all the [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► rumors are right if tipsters right i [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► think we'll be okay again I think we [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► will have really achieved a good balance [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► here so I'm looking forward to seeing [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► how it turns out i hope Apple does it [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► right and in general like i have i've [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► been you know very critical the macbook [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► one even the people of it that's fine if [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► you can if you love it [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► good for you i'm happy for you in [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► general I expect [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► the new macbook pro to be awesome [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► both 13 and 15 based on both what we've [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► heard what's been reported and just [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► based on you know Apple the things that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► really matter [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► things like the iPhone Apple is really [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► how they have a fantastic track record [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► you know Apple has never made a bad [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► iphone and similarly I don't think Apple [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► has ever made a bad macbook pro there [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► were there been a few that have been [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► slightly imperfect but for the most part [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the macbook pro they just nail is it has [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► such a good history such a good track [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► record and they it has to because the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► macbook pro is like the workhorse of the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► entire industry like pretty much every [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► like web developer most you know almost [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► every Apple Developer tons people inside [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► Apple tons of journalists tons of people [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► tons of students like the macbook pro is [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► such the workhorse of so many people [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► they can't screw like they like it [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► like legally they can't they just can't [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► screw it up like and they know that [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► Apple I think would not take lightly [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► major changes to the macbook pro and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► their track record is so good that i am [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► confident that this is going to be [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► awesome and so I you know even though [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► i'm skeptical of many of the things that [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► Apple does these days I I definitely [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► give him the benefit of the doubt that [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► whatever we here but this new macbook [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► pro that might sound a little bit weird [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► it's probably going to be awesome [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► yeah i agree i'm really looking forward [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► to this to me i feel like i would just [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► be thrilled if the next Mac Pro had a [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► keyboard as close to the magic keyboard [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► as possible and also an SD card slot [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► that didn't rip my damn SD card reach [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► switch SD card slot no no you get USB 3 [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► ports USB c-type see connectors and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that's all you like it mr. and probably [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► right and I was being silly about the SD [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► card thing but anyway I think an [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► improved keyboard would be great i don't [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► think the current keyboards are bad i [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► just freaking love he imagined keyboard [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► but i agree with you mark i think that [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that they have a great track record and [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► I I can't see them releasing a dud and [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► even though some of these rumors are [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► making me scratching my head a little [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► bit i'm really really amped to see these [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and also miserable because i'm not [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► getting a new mac from for more work for [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► another two years i think and I'm [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► certainly not buying one for home so [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► i'll be sad i'm still looking for [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► reading air i know the 13 will be so the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► middle almost the air like but now that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the air has been treated up from that of [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the 5k imac used to have the air connect [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► with Thunderbolt Display not just the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► air is like rallying around the house [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► and my daughter is smearing or you're [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► recovered fingers on it and I'm [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► routinely cleaning it anyway [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► 13 chair is such a great form factor for [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► laptop is such a good machine the screen [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► is crap but everything is about it is [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► like a 2011 model right that screen is [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► not good but everything else about it is [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► just so nice and because it's a 21-month [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► like five year old computer it looks [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► great it and so now hopefully maybe [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► these 13 will get down to the point [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► where it's getting close that because [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► there haven't been updated and he said [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► the pros the workforce is the workhorse [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► of like you know professional people are [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► people who need some sort of computing [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► power to their job but the air is worthy [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► sort of computing for the the lap the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► apple laptop for the rest of us where [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► you're not going to be compiling stuff [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► you just want to like browse the rebbe [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► web and write papers for school or [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► whatever its it was such a great student [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► computers such a great computer people [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► don't have particularly demanding needs [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► a real a real high point they're going [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► to look back on the the great max the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► the 13 chair that that design that genet [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► if not the particular interests but like [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► when they redesigned the case and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► yeah it was a great computer that's the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► zone and so like that the pros the first [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► threatening ones were pretty impressive [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► and now they're going to go super thin [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► and just have the USBC port on the side [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► and just shave off all those things [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► these have the potential to be really [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► great long-lasting computers to remember [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► the that the touch ID and the weird you [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► know screen keys and stuff also has the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► potential to have them go wrong until [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► they sort that out but like you said [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► like they're surely they've had enough [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► time to work out these kinks and this is [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► the type of thing that could have been [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► working on for a long time so [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► I i have some confidence that they're [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► going to be good as well although I have [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► to admit when I saw you Marco tweeting [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► about the thin keyboard thing I thought [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► you were talking about their external [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► desktop keyboard that also keep getting [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► thinner for even advised us that even [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► more mysterious reasons not just like [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► you know I talked about the with before [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► with the United but they're also getting [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► like thinner as in lower to the desk is [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► that is wasting away so that is going to [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► give you a bunch of key caps and you [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► throw them on your desk [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► it's not really in Apple's demands I [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► mean one of the reasons i don't use [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► their desktop keyboard is that the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► ergonomics horrible on the men and I I [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► need something better economics to [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► prevent RSI problems in their defense [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► though the worst thing about ergonomics [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► of most desktop keyboard is when the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► back is higher than the front that you [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► know the the former tilt and that's [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► terrible for ergonomics and by the way [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► anybody listening if you if you have the [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► feet slipped up on the back so that your [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► keyboard is tilted even more for God's [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► sake flip those feet down put something [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► under the front to make it level [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► yeah there's a reason why you look at [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► natural keyboards now let the microsoft [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► sculpt and everything [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► there's a reason why they come with this [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► big riser on the front that lifts the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► front of so it's actually tilting away [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► from you and everyone thinks it looks [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► weird it does the first time you see it [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► but way better for ergonomics there's a [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► reason for that anyway you know it if [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► Apple makes their keyboards thinner it [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► actually reduces the tilt inherently and [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► so it it's slightly improve the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► ergonomics they can still be totally [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► level like I have a really old like [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► translucent plastic apple USB keyboard i [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► saw in the Attic when I was cleaning [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► stuff up those were pretty much [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► perfectly flat as well although they did [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► have stupid feet in the back but anyway [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► you can make a keyboard that is level it [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► just doesn't have to be level and also [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► the thickness of three credit cards [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► because again i fear that they're going [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► to get to the point where they're [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► starting to sacrifice travel on the [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► desktop models like what-what space are [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► you saving the airspace above my desk [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you want to save two millimeters of [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► airspace pleased with wise and height [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► wise not going out to the thing that and [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► I understand the part sharing with [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► laptops like that's why I think about it [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► could it could literally be the same [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► exact part i haven't seen the magic [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► keyboard i can't tell if it's actually a [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► laptop for the part but anyway I [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► understand the the economies of scale [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► going on here [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► I just think that the desktop keyboards [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► and also the little edges around people [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► like sometimes it's hard to pick up my [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► keyboard [TS]