The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► that is the challenge of pixel art isn't [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► it to make a picture look good using [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► pixels or we could rotate the pixels 45 [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► degrees and pretends i'm crazy land [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► hey everyone just me for a second we [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► just put up our 2016 t-shirts [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► finally they're only available until [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► june third and they won't be delivered [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► in time 4wd see because we took too long [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► to decide but these are awesome and I [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► think they're gonna be worth the wait [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► so see for yourself at ATP dot FM / [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► shirt [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► thanks a lot hashtag Casey was right [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► maybe it's it's been stunning watching [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the fallout from fast food gate 2016 [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► which I just coined moments ago a lot of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► people have been on my side I wouldn't [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► say it's it's overwhelming but the fact [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that i think the feedback I've seen has [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► been roughly 5050 [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► I'm counting that as a win for me I hit [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► that little bit of my wedding works [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► exactly roughly 5050 and I declare [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► victory now that would John if there's [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► one universal truth to the internet it's [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that the internet believes that John [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► siracusa can do not know how does not a [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► universe that is fact here its own if [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► perhaps that's neither here nor there [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► the the internet is of the belief that [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► John circus can do no wrong and parts of [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► the internet have said John staircases [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► done wrong and actually it's funny [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► because some people and this is not a [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► joke [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► some people have written in and said and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► I don't have an exact verbatim quote in [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► front of me but something along the [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► lines up I thought John could never be [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► wrong but he's wrong about this food [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► conversation which has made me so happy [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► so to clarify John being wrong means [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► that people think subway is better than [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► sbarros is that is that what yes or is [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► not in utter unequivocal abomination [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► well as in all things like the the [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► actual points that people respond to [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► wear only tangentially related two [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► points made by the most solid ones were [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► I felt like four people were just saying [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► I like or don't like a particular [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► restaurant that's fair that's fair right [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► and because then you get all right but [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► we were talking about restaurants you [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► could say [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► I loves a boy or I hate subway i love [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the bar I hate so far right but the ones [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► who came away with the conclusion that [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► there was that the comparisons were made [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► they were actually not made for example [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► comparing subway and tomorrow and what [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► you would rather eat in a show in which [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► I said I you know our mcdonalds even the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► show which I said I eat subway more than [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► mcdonalds and yet you have people saying [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► that that meant the mcdonalds was better [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► than subway or are somewhat better than [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► mcdonalds anyway lots of people watching [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► on to their own particular competitions [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► but i would say in the realm of subways [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► good subways bad [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► tomorrow's good sbarros bad where they [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► didn't try to compare the two of them it [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► was about 50 50 and it's like the which [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► i just googled the 1960s yell vs hard [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► football game which was listed in the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► newspaper going to find this all right [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► here is the famous headline which they [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► bury in the last sentence of the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► paragraph they headline after this [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► football game and 268 was Harvard BTL [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► 2929 it was a game that ended in a tie [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► so this is yeah Casey beats John 50-50 [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► split [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► I'll take it I'm good with that you're [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► not going to be complete anyway I would [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► just point out that literally all these [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► issues are a matter of taste in all [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► senses of that word so they're there can [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► be no victory unless one of these food [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► items uh is going to kill you which I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► don't think that one well that's true [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► these issues are a matter of taste but [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► my tastes better than your taste well [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► that's how it tastes works doesn't it [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► but anyway it's not that there isn't [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► definitive answer [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you know I mean goodness yet but a but [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► I'd i will take the John be a John loses [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► to kc 5050 or Casey beats John 5050 are [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► you 21 you do one to 1 out of 50 50 [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► producing as percentages but since this [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► is a football scores points so maybe [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► it's one-to-one yeah I I'll take me [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► beating you with the tie that that is [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► good in my book anyway just so you know [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► since you don't read my ad mentions [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► every time i say anything somebody says [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► boy usually agree with what you say but [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► you're really wrong about X that happens [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► all the time that's like fifty percent [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► of my replies are people calling me [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► usually agree with me but they disagree [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► with me about insert whatever and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► whatever you can think of has been there [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► yeah but to be fair people start from [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► the position of Oh John is right about [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► whereas without turning this into analog [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► I'm not as convinced people [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► go that way about me well then you're [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► spared all the all the tweets about [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► however and so disappointed in you every [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► time yet another great things usually [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► agree with everything you say Casey but [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► very disappointed in your opinion on the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► windows XP bumper sound or cars or the [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► restaurant you want to go to or your [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► choice of you know and any other thing [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► you possibly anyway uh yeah you're right [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► those those replies do show a sort of [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► the baseline assumption but another hand [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► if that based on assumption doesn't [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► exist i don't get those tweets there's [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► that but all I'm gonna say is I will [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► take your struggle which is also real [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► over looking for me haha anyway but no [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► other I'm really happy that we kept in [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► that we / Marco kept that conversation [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► in the show because I thought it was [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► really funny in and as much as the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► bickering back and forth between [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► listeners in between us went on I I [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► still appreciate the fact that everyone [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► seemed to take it for what it was meant [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► to be which was yes we were killing each [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► other but it was all in good fun and [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► then we got some good feedback about the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the segment in general which made me [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► really happy so and like I said casing [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► beats John 5050 so i'm good with that [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► massive overwhelming agreement that it [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► was fun listening to us argue and the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► after-show the one person didn't like an [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► important marker had to say you are [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► literally the only person he was [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► we have we got literally one complaint [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► yeah it was funny [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► I mean that person they believe was like [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► I'm sure I'm not the first person to say [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► this but that was not good [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► yeah and as it turns out the individual [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► you were the first person to say that [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► and the only person to say that I i [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► thought was a lot of fun and even i [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► wanted to kill both of you particularly [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► John because I think Marco kind of ended [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► up in switzerland by the end of the [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► conversation I don't know why you focus [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► all your anger on me because I really [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► listen to that thing and marco was the [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► one constantly poking and prodding you [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and anyone i was elected to bring it [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► back to like Syria and even stuff and [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► Margo's like throwing these little bombs [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► then walking away with America's fault [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► it was not me go back but I i also was [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► not really a hundred percent either of [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► your sides but I was mostly it was the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► instigator cabinet i was actually [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► waiting mostly towards Casey side now [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► that's the stuff was very good but that [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► I thought that subway was less terrible [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► than sbarro [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► now I know at least like when we're all [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► at WTC in a few weeks we have to go to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► that mall food court and they don't have [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► any of those brands that they all have [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► weird stuff [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► yeah what hair is that here's the one we [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► can put in the after-show WBC box lunch [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► vs any fast food sometimes box lunches [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► are bad sometimes they're not sometimes [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► sometimes they are [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► yeah it was actually the problem with [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► the box lunches is that they basically [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► all just tastes like whatever the salad [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► dressing was they used to coat every [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► ingredient that day [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► yeah it's probably fair and ingredients [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► themselves are often made of cardboard [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► yes so you're basically tasting very [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► chewy cardboard that tastes like salad [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► dressing [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► that's not a bad it's not about summary [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► yeah although apparently had a google [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► i/o which were going to talk about quite [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► a bit later they don't serve you lunch [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► it seems like they don't even serve you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► a roof outside in the sun at 90-degree [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► he's like lizards on hot rocks [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► oh goodness I can't I can't handle this [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► already so Lina friend of Sholay assumes [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► wrote in and said in and out does not [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► use frozen burger patties I remember [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► when or how that came up i said that we [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► we regret the error [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► they're not sorry and I'd only been out [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► like four times i'm not into I've seen [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► cut the fries so I know they're taking [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► potatoes and running through machine [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► cutting the frys but i lumped them in [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► with the the like the taste more like a [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► fast-food chain lets people get frozen [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► patties like McDonald's or Burger King [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► up in and out does not do that [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► excellent yeah and i was very good but I [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► think as we said the last episode I [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► wonder if the reason i like it so much [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► it's just because I can never have it [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► and if it was somewhere if it was like [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► five guys when I could consume it all [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► the time I'd be like well actually like [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► five guys and i'd be yeah yeah I had I [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► had in and out two times in one weekend [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► by the second time I was like all right [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► quality is wearing off [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► yep completely agree that's what I did [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► when I was in California and I felt the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► exact same way now this is more fun we [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► agree with each other so yes you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► tomorrow [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► give it time I don't tell me John about [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► tech support ads being banned from being [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► a couple shows back i talked to my mom [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► falling for tech support scam [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► we're by the way that the consensus [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► seems to be that these tech support [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► scams really want is not to steal your [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► information or and put ransomware in [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► your machine of those are all definitely [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► possible and I'm sure have happened but [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► percentage-wise it seems like the thing [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► that most of them are doing is trying to [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► scare you into thinking your computer is [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► something wrong with it and getting you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► to sign up to a monthly fee for them to [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► essentially do nothing so they make your [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► computer seem like it's haunted and say [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► oh you have a serious problem here you [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► pass five dollars a month will make sure [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► your computer stays clean [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► so it's a slightly different kind of [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► fraudulent scam then the kind of [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► installs a rootkit or malware but you [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► can never know which one of those things [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► are doing and my mother hung up in this [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► person be you know without before [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► finding out exactly what the scam was [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► and so wiping computer is the best thing [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► to do but anyway the story recently was [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► that Byng Microsoft's still existing [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► apparently competitor to google search [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► is now banning all third-party tech [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► support services from being a dad like [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► some of the ads they serve with the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► search results just because so many of [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► them are fraudulent as an entire [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► category of business that is that cannot [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► advertise on being now again advertising [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► I'm being maybe it's not the biggest [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► thing in the world but google has done [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► similar things and trying to find is [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► trying to get businesses that are [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► fraudulent stop them from buying [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► keywords or ads because as we all know [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► in the search results a lot of times the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► first two items are actually adds and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► not legitimate search results and most [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► people i found are not good at [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► distinguishing what's an ad was not even [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► though i clearly labeled or in boxes or [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► whatever and I have no doubt that the [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► thing my mother click on was not [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► actually a search result but an ad [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► because I know she doesn't know the [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► difference [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► thanks just one of the top hits all [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► right so anyway it's sad this entire [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► what could be an entirely legitimate [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► category of businesses like oh you have [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► problems with the computer there's a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► market need we can help you with your [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► problems instead they're all just camps [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► and so there's been completely pretty [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► crappy [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► yep and a lot of people wrote in with [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► regard to our conversation about [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► podcasting last episode and many many [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► tin foil hats were worn as emails are [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► sent in saying out obviously apple is [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the source of that New York Times [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► podcasting story that it's so clear I [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► didn't think that was the case but I [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► don't know Marco did you have any [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► thoughts on that [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► I mean it didn't paint apple on a very [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► good light so i don't think they would [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► have been the source of that story also [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► like things that are Apple controlled [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► leaks tend to read a certain way [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► also i can't recall a time the New York [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Times was publishing those it seems like [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► apples controlled leaks in recent years [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► have gone to the wall street journal and [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Bloomberg usually so I i would not I I [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► think it's pretty unlikely [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► basically yeah I completely agree and [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► especially since like the idea was that [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► you know like i was saying the past show [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► all these things that they're suggesting [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► would just give Apple tremendous amount [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► of power and that's bad for cod [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► podcasters and that was about to leading [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► people to say oh well it because Apple [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► tremendous power and speed for [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► podcasters don't stop thinking about it [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► is though isn't it weird that podcasters [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► would say that I think about it all this [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► is exactly what Apple would want but if [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► Apple wanted to grab power in the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► podcast market a could have done that [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► years ago and be it doesn't need to leak [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► anything to do it would just have to do [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► it so I don't see the purpose of that [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► leak even if that even the dastardly [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► Apple did want on podcasting which they [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► totally have seemed like they don't they [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► don't need the New York Times to do that [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► yes it seems like you know that what we [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► already knew which is that Apple is a [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► very very big player in podcasting but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► that it doesn't it's not really like top [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► of their radar it's not like a huge [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► priority for them they have much bigger [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► things to deal with so and i don't i [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► don't see that changing you know like [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► seeing what Apple has to deal with their [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► other product lines various market [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► pressures you know various internal and [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► external needs a podcasting is just not [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► very high rating on that list and I [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► don't see that changing for the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► foreseeable future it might be way down [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► the road but i really wouldn't assume [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► that it's going to suddenly become a big [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► thing for them we are sponsored tonight [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► by ring the ring video doorbell go to [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► ring dot com / ATP now there are so many [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► reasons to have a video doorbell you can [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► actually see who's ringing your doorbell [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► and you can respond from your phone [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► whether your home or not [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► so you can pretend like you're home to [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► maybe ward off burglars you can tell a [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► package delivery person hey leave it on [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the doorstep I'm in the shower even if [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► you're like at work [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► and you know you can have package left [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► all sorts of good reasons why you want a [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► video doorbell [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► there's also incredibly advanced motion [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► detection here so that even if somebody [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► doesn't ring your doorbell ringing can [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► turn itself on and alert you that [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► somebody is at your door looking around [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► your whore looking around your porch or [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► wherever you have it have it aimed and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► this can actually help you both deter [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► and prevent home break-ins and they have [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► actually run studies they've actually [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► been able to been able to decrease the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► rate of home break-ins in neighborhood [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► have a bunch of ring video doorbell is [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► installed and home break-ins usually [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► happen during the day that some people [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► aren't home so this could really help [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► out a lot i'm installing ring is very [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► easy it takes only minutes you can [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► either work with your current wiring or [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► they have a built-in rechargeable [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► battery model so John you have one of [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► these right i installed mine i got the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► they sent me one of the just the cameras [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that's not the doorbell thing that's [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► interesting what is that it's just [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► wrapped up like a mounting bracket you [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► gotta stick anywhere and came up a name [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► down and you know so you don't have to [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► put it over your doorbell be and it [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► doesn't have a button on it is basically [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► just a camera and I put it [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► guess what raising my driveway because [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► that's what i want to do with these [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► things and maybe call anybody sneaking [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► around your car yet [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► no just us every time we come home and [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► the kids go out and and you know stuff [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► like that so I'm so I'm observing it [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► when I mean it works fine i'm amazed [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that one of the batteries last thing I [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► guess like it's basically offer asleep [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the entire time and then you trip the IR [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► sensor it turns on i think it's not like [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► ninety percent battery has been out [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► there for like five days and it sends [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► alerts to my iOS devices when this [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► motion and I can look at it and you know [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► i can see my daughter scraping her [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► bicycle again side of my car it's great [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► i can't feel bad though for my kids [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► because I think about it when you were a [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► kid like you get away with a lot of [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► stuff of your parents didn't see it now [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► had literally have a video camera [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► catching them you know scraping the bike [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► and the side of my car feel kind of bad [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and they can't pin that look I've got [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► video let's come look at it together the [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► other bikes not supposed to touch the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► car bad [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► yes I feel bad but yeah that's that's [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► there that's the non front door product [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► because again have after my ipad ipod [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► being stolen out of my car [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► what I really wanted was to see what the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► deal is and so far no one has come to [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► visit my car as far as I've been able to [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► determine also my ipod is not been [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► stolen from my car yet [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► thumbs up so far yeah maybe just the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► presence of the camera will the terrible [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► kinda like this fake [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► security signs that you put on your lawn [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► or on your windows we don't actually [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► have a security system but this is a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► real camera so it is it is mostly going [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► my family now it's fun i thought a lot [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► about what you were saying about getting [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► away with things because especially when [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► it came to like driving i did terrible [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► things in my 1994 well actually was [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► dad's 1994 saturn sl2 that really was [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► not designed to do the terrible things I [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► did it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► hold that thought of expenses automatic [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► yeah fair enough but suffice to say they [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► find my friends or whatever was the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► thing or glimpse was the thing back when [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► i was 16 i would have a very different [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► childhood than I did so our listeners [TS]

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00:16:17 ◼   ► with the ring video doorbell you're [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► always home thanks a lot to ring for [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► sponsoring our show [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► ah alright so this was discussed a bit [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► on the latest under the radar which [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► almost accidentally called under the [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► weather but appstore approval times if [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► you're always making fun of me for being [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► sick I haven't actually meant to ask you [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► if you were sick right now are you sick [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► right now I think it's on its way out [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► ok so on episode 27 of you're under the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► weather program you discussed fast app [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► review and it's worth at least quickly [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► touching upon here [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► appstore review times which typically [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► hovered about a week are now really [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► really fast so cable sasser tweeted [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► earlier tonight [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► Logan sent a non panic apt to the mac [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► app store at ten-thirty it was in review [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► i'm assuming that I am it was interview [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► at three rejected for a crash at [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► five-thirty they fixed it submitted at [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► six-thirty approved at eight o'clock so [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► in the span of what is that 10 hours [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► they made two submissions and gather [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► their app approved that's impressive [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► and in fact i can i can also confirm [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that this morning I submit an overcast [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► update and it was approved and in the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► store nine hours later I didn't listen [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► to the [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► helping under the weather perspective [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► podcast about that but right when I [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► think about a lot of people are asking [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► like OS does this have to do with phil [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► schiller maybe it does so on and so [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► forth like how is this possible and [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► they're there are so many ways that [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► could be possible but the thing that [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► ones that spring to mind me are you can [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► use heuristics to assess the risk of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► each application submission and what you [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► can mix into those heuristics are how [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► many absences developer put in have we [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► had any problems before is this a [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► entirely new a person update to an [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► existing one [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► I mean they can go down to the point [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► where they're doing like binary dips or [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► something but the whole mess of your [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► astex you can do and of course that is [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► hiring more people but but this dramatic [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► decrease from like days two hours [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► I don't think you can do that by even [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► like hiring ten times as many people are [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► they must they must be having better [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► rules about like how much do we have to [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► scrutinize this or how much can we [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► automated no increased automation is [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► another thing but again it seems like it [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► would have to you know come out of [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► nowhere when when a developer can who's [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► never had any promises but we always [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► entirely developer who never had any [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► problems with conscientious who is [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► submitting an app it looks fairly [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► straightforward to get them through and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► like it like this you know one day [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► turnaround time where you you passed it [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► gets rejected you fix it you pass it [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► goes back out again this is not enough [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► time in there to do like a you know it [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► to give it a huge amount of scrutiny and [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► go through every single screen and you [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► know do all stuffy even automated [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► testing tools could take you know you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► could run through automated testing for [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► a certain amount of time and maybe that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► wouldn't even fit in this is almost like [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► they're saying this one is probably fine [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► right guys run the fast automated tests [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► give it a once-over two seconds and let [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► it sail through which is what developers [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► have been asking like and again this was [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► in a panic a panic were saying like look [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► seriously Apple you know are we burying [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► malware and our applications like you're [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► never going to catch if we do anyway so [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► you might as well just accept the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► reality that the only thing you can [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► really do is assume good intent and [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► punished after the fact [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► right because if you say oh we don't [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► like that that's not a secure way to do [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► we want to do on a start that stuff and [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► getting the store in the first place [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► hey that's not pass [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► people & B it just punishes everybody [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► for the possibility they might suddenly [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► turn one day and panic becomes infected [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► by malware you even there no fault of [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► their own like that happens almost smell [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► right to the map app there's only so [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► much that you can detect in review so it [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you know the the calculus may be right [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► you know develop these heuristics so [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► that most normal developers get there we [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► do less we do let's review basically [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► foremost normal developers and we'll [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► catch the matter of fact because history [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► has proven that you catch tons of stuff [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► after the fact anyway tons of things get [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► through even obvious things that [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► should've been caught so why pretend [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► that your entire system is predicated on [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► the idea that we must catch bad things [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► before they get through the store at all [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► costs and then take a day or a week or [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► wherever to do it so this is definitely [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► awesome and I have to think that it has [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► been that it's happening because they're [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► just getting there working smarter not [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► harder as they say as the bosses say [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► whatever it is it's dramatic and we [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► talked about a lot on under-the-radar [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► last week that the gist of it basically [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► means further for those of you who don't [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► know after you used to take roughly a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► week and throughout the entire history [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► of the app store and back 2008 and there [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► have been a couple ups and downs here [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► and there but for the most part it's [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► been pretty consistent taking about a [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► week ago when you have when you want a [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► preview goes from taking a week to a day [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► or less it makes a lot of app review [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► problems less severe and it makes it [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► basically lets you iterate faster on [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► your software and so yes it does create [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► the potential to kind of play fast and [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► loose and ship more bugs but it also [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► gives you the ability to fix bugs faster [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► and so I have to imagine is going to [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► lead overall to better quality software [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► and it has certainly led to better [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► quality better developer morale and [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► better developer feelings towards the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► platform and as the economics have [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► gotten more challenging over the years i [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► think that's something that Apple is his [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► right to be apparently focusing on [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► because you know that the app stores its [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► it's pretty easy to become bitter after [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► a while the app store in trying to sell [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► something trying trying to make some [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► money cuz its it just gets harder and [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► harder every year as there's increasing [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► competition for everywhere [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and so to have signs the Apple is trying [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► to make our lives better as developers [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► is is very promising and it this kind of [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► thing is is a huge improvement to be an [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► iOS developer it's an improvement that I [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► don't think any of us were expecting to [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► ever get and all of a sudden it just [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► kinda here it's gonna be on the sly WWDC [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► i would imagine but yeah like it so [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► there are still remaining problems of [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the main one I can think of is you have [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► been developing an app for a while [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► releasing updates to our regular [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► schedule and then along the way if [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► you're if you're lucky just a routine [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► update but if you're unlucky a bug fix [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► update gets hung up as they say [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► something fundamental about your app is [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► against the rules [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you're like I've been releasing this app [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► for a year I have this is like the 17th [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► update and all of a sudden the major [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► feature of my application is a violation [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► of the guidelines and that's preventing [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► me from getting this bug fix update or [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► this routine update out the door and [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► faster doesn't help that because no [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► matter how fast you iterate on that you [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► still the second problem is can i [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► connect to a human being who understands [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► the words of my mouth is making right [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► now like I think nothing fundamental has [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► changed about my app this app has [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► existed for a long time are you telling [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► me that the end of this app is no longer [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► welcome in the store tell me now I will [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► cease development or are you telling me [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► you don't understand something basic [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► about my happen I need to explain it to [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you and those type of situations with [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► like the wall of silence and just trying [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► to send it back again and again and [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► getting computerized responses fast [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► iteration time doesn't help with that [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► kind of frustration because then you're [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► like blocked on something like I don't [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► understand i'm trying to fix a crashing [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► bug and you're telling me my application [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► that's been on the store for years now [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► like illegal for some you know so that [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► frustration can still exists with fast [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► iteration time boy like Marcus said [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► having the time get faster whole message [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► of complaints and the things that people [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► like national chief about the app store [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► just go away when the timescale shrink [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► to a single day then it's like a mild [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► annoyance vs like I have to plan my [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► entire business about around allowing [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► for a week to a month of review time [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► which is just just destroys your you [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► know your ability like just go to market [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► to compete that 22 to serve your [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► customers like it was a problem with the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► one point and you gotta wait a week for [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the 1.01 why this if i don't really help [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► the stick will be promising is if Apple [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► publicly knowledge is this [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► and in any way at all that with every [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► city man that you think they're not [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► gonna brag about this how can they not [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► is gonna be graph right but if they if [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they don't mention it at all it could [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► plausibly be like a flu is an accident [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► someone was just hitting the approve [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► button little drinking bird from the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► simpsons do is just that reference movie [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► do I told us from the simpsons though [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► yeah but again I giving you the [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► reference is that from the simpsons well [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► you had I mean we know what drinking [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► bird is separately now I know so you can [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► add sound it just sounds weird to me but [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you're like a showbusiness mom an [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► impossible to please no wire hangers [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that that when I didn't get no that's [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► not a showbusiness mom know is it is [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► that that was a mommy dearest but I [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► don't think it was a showbiz angle on [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► yeah went right over my head and [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► everything is back to normal [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► our next sponsor this week is automatic [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► now chances are your car has not fully [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► kept up with technology this is [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► automatic comes in automatic is a small [TS]

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00:25:15 ◼   ► connected smart car just plug in the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► automatic into the same port your [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► mechanic used to diagnose engine [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► problems usually it's in the footwell [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► area and it opens up a world of [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► possibilities now automatically to keep [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► tracking a few mileage vehicle Health [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► lets you expense business trips with one [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► tap and link your car the connected [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► devices the power your life so what does [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that check engine light actually mean [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► automatic can tell you through your [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► phone before you even have to go to the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► shop [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► you can also integrate with your nest [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► thermostat to know when your home and [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► can provide the answer one of life's [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► most common questions dude where's my [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► car [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► automatic works on nearly every car made [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► after 1996 and it takes only minutes to [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► install and connect to your iPhone or [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► Android device over Bluetooth this gives [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► you real-time performance data all the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Diagnostics i mentioned earlier it can [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► even use intelligent coaching to [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► maximize fuel economy and reduce wear [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► and tear so for example you can say if I [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► am getting fuel economy below this [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► target that I want to hit that I want to [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► hit beep at me or tell me so I could [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► like you know adjust the habit of doing [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► if I just gave my my teenage son Casey [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► the car for the night [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► and in case he decides to drive super [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► fast I can have a report of that 1994 [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► saturn sl2 does never go a day never [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► goes fast it just goes quicker than the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► roads intended that's all [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► alright i also have a webapp dashboard [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► provides greater information lets you [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► import and export data gives you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► planning regulations here check check [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► engine light they also have this [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► incredible app platform now when you [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► have smarts and you have connectivity [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you can have integration so i mentioned [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► earlier the nest integrations also [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► integration with your mechanic [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► freshbooks and more you can file [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► business expenses of popular apps like [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► current Expensify and it works with [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► ifttt for even more possibilities [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► integrate your car into your digital [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► life and support apple watch it supports [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► pebble watches and all this is available [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► for no monthly fees and no subscriptions [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and they never sell your data that's not [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► their business their business is selling [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you the automatic device the automatic [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► device is normally 9,500 bucks but use [TS]

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00:27:26 ◼   ► save twenty percent that makes it just [TS]

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00:27:35 ◼   ► 8003 15 to save twenty percent off the [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► regular price gets of q4 80 bucks that's [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► automatic calm / ATP thanks a lot for [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► supporting the show [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► alright so Google i/o keynote was today [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► and I actually watched it which is the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► first time i think i've ever watched [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► google i/o keynote but now that I'm in [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► this whole brand-new world where I work [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► alongside Android developers and they [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► were really into it and they did what I [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► usually do for Apple keynotes and we all [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► piled in a conference room where they [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► put it on the big screen and we watched [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► it together and it was pretty good [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► all-in-all and we'll go through each [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► thing you know in a moment but i was [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► impressed i heard rumblings and in [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► descriptions of past google i/o is that [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► they were meandering and long and often [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► boring much like the talent of the last [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► wdc keynote and so Pam and a total [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► disaster kind of like the end of the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► last WBC keynote [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and also i'm curious i was talking about [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► this recently with tiff which do you [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► think was the worst moment in recent [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► apple keynote memory was it the app [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► music introduction or the u2 album [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► finger-touch thing o.o finger-touch was [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► nothing compared to the end of last [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► year's wcu kidding finger-touch was a [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► brief moment kind of silly excusable by [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► celebrity the other was just in terminal [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► watching neq vamp and then having to [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► have Drake be up there and just ramble [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► and it was it was bad but to keep in [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► mind though I think contributing to the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► side of the argument though is like the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► finger-touch was part of a very very [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► awkward moment [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► yeah that when also led into this giant [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► thing nobody wanted which is everybody [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► getting this album pushed into the eye [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and it was fine [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► you like you too yeah you're matter and [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► even if they don't it was fire was that [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► it was a fumble who cares they gave you [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► free stuff and took up space in your [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► phone and they gave you a way to opt out [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► of it and it was silly but like you're [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► talking about the keynote itself finger [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► touches nothing I don't know man i'm [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► kinda with mark on this I think it was [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► an approximately equivalent amount of [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► awkward it's just that the density in [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the finger-touch was considered if mary [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► has made you watch one of those things [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► over again and you have to watch the [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► finger-touch you have to watch the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► entire neq and Drake segment which to [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► choose what I have to watch the YouTube [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► performance before the finger-touch I [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► think it's a community [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► I mean it don't know if you're including [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► musical performance has been a long line [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► of musical performance that people don't [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► care but I was trying that I put all [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► these notes in here by google I was [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► trying not to talk about the the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► showmanship or compared to apple because [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► the outdoor thing that the set [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► decoration on that stage was not good [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► hold on can we can we paint a word [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► picture please I don't want to paint the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► word picture i gotta bring up to i [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► thought i had the video i hear something [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► I don't know what they're decorating [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► theme was it like needed to do material [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► chaos was that the beam SE the material [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► design colors kind of i can see that [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► theme and you kind of saw echoed in [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► their slides but the set design for the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► stage just was not aesthetically [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► pleasing and didn't enhance they have [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► these did enhance their presentation of [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► the bright colored lights underneath the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► screen like [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► I just want to focus on your content the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► content i thought was pretty good and I [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► really liked a lot of the things they [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► announced but the set duration was great [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► but anyway my point is I don't want to [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► talk about a set decoration or how [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► polished presenters were or whether or [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► not Drake wear vintage apple jacket [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► while he said nothing of interest or a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► very cute dance you have to google he [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► did write a damn he did anyway I want to [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► talk about the products and other [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► thought there was a lot of cool stuff [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► yeah i mean there is there is siri there [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► is the echo I'm not even tries time [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► trying to say they're just doing things [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► other people are doing because that is a [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► ridiculous argument that is the only [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► thing I give you that on his foot screen [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► because I was really expecting to have [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► something more than exactly what Apple a [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► split-screen picture-in-picture but [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► anyway we're getting an overall but yeah [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► the there's that's not an exact Apple [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► rip I actually I give them in ok on that [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► but we will go in the order of the show [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► notes and it begins with google home [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► which is the Amazon echo / alexa product [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► but google see this actually like I'm [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► this might be really good [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's obviously a big risk you know [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► because first of all it's google doing [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► its own hardware and their record for [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► that is about as good as Amazon's record [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► is for the friends into its own hardware [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► so like they have had some things that [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► have worked some of the nexus have been [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► decent but a lot of their stuff has been [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► flops and so it's it it's a huge wild [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► card but separate the flop from as if [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► they don't sell a lot of them from paw [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► is the hardware actually good without a [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► google has probably done multiples of [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► both like I think that ball thing I [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► don't know whatever shipped or whatever [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► that was like not a good idea and one of [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the things they make don't sell a lot [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► but it's not like they're bad i mean i [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► don't think they sell a lot of not even [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► like the Chromebook pixel how many grow [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► pixels this so i don't know but the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► hardware wasn't terrible right and no [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► not at all i thought the hardware look [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► great and the same thing when you know [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the tablets and all the Nexus phones [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► especially like the Nexus phones didn't [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► sell that many you know I think people [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► thought they were going to sell more [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► than they did and then the other vendors [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► took over but the hardware they actually [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► make I don't think it's bad hardware so [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► I have some vague hope that this little [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the squat little weeble that's their [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► Amazon echo competitive everything is a [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► weeble to you it's shaped like a weeble [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► wobble they don't fall down right [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► how many times have you made that joke [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► on our shows but they don't know about [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the weebles please don't make me tell [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► you again about the weebles but now this [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► is this is literally we will shape right [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it's fat on the bottom and it's like [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► anyway like I i have some faith that the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► hardware will be ok i don't think that's [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► been the problem with Google's hardware [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► products of the hardware as bad I feel [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► like they've just you know falling down [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► other I like the google TV stuff and [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► maybe you know that really goes remote [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► was there was it made badly [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► no it was just a bad idea so if it's a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► good idea and I think they can make it [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► and you know reasonably well I i think i [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► have i've seen no reason why this device [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► shouldn't sell just as well as the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► Amazon echo message the amazonica was [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► already tired of that entire market [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► which is possible but other than that [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► the people about the echo why would they [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► buy this to its like the same thing [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► yeah i mean really like this kind of [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► thing is the kind of thing that google [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► should be really good at and again this [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► isn't to say that they definitely will [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► but i think the they clearly are likely [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► to succeed here because it combines the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► types of things are really good at with [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► the kind of market they can get in [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► succeeded which is like so far mostly [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► like Aggie Aggie market very tech-savvy [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► market of people who have like smart [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► home stuff [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the main problem we're gonna have is [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► there is the lack of retail presence [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► because I can you know we've seen like [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► Amazon is so powerful [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► amazon is the place where most people [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► would go to buy this kind of thing so [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► and i'm sure Amazon not gonna be too [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► happy to carry it or if they do carry [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► it's really not going to ever promote it [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► but I'm guessing they don't carry it all [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► so this is going to be interesting had [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► to see how Google can try to market this [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► and and and sell the crap out of this [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► because from a technical perspective [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► google should be better than amazon at [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► this stuff [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► I don't know that they will be but they [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► should be yeah i Ike's expect them to be [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► yet because I mean the only thing I feel [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► like they might not [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► better at is maybe this is the first try [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► at putting something out that has 10 [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► microphones and all sorts of noise [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► cancelling stuff so maybe amazon it was [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► amazon's first try and they gotta try [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► know I know but they it's been out for [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► awhile and the quality is really good so [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► I think they basically that Amazon hit [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► out of the park in that particular [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► feature right so I don't think that's a [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► given for your first try the Amazon did [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► a really good job with does this thing [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► understand me from across the room [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► google says they do a good job with that [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► but they like amazon had an exemplary [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► first try right and i have the second [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► and third try with the dot and although [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► there whatever the the derivative [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► products but i think they did a really [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► good job but other than that everything [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► else about this google I think should be [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► better and will be better like things [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► that you can say to it natural language [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► processing back-end querying the only [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► thing a man can do better i was buying [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► stuff right because ma'am but every [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► other part of it [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► google damn well better be better than [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► amazon at because you know amazon he [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► doesn't have any of the the strength [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► behind it to do all the language [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► processing and search queries in the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► deep hooks into all that type of stuff [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► and the thing that really blew me away [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► about this demo was la thinking about [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► why the hell does Apple not have one of [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► these things that I guess maybe it's [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► beneath their concern but be when they [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► did the thing like the kids talking to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► it and doing the conversations that show [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► me on the TV like that is an apple move [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► yeah i do that yet because we make a TV [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► device and of course our little weeble [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► knows about the TV the chromecast catch [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the TV show me on the TV like that is [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► that the type of thing we used to have [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► to be the apple ecosystem for which is [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► all i have tons of Apple crap around the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► house and they all know about each other [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► and they all just work together and it's [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► like airplane to your appletv the first [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► time that works like it was amazing [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► because I happy to apple devices really [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► easy to put a video up on my TV [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► well see all the time that worked yeah I [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► know much about hitting and that was the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► first time you know it was impressive [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► the first time and yet this is google [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► saying hey we actually have stuff around [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► here they and they put a little nest [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► icon on there to say connecting the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► thermostat and and third-party to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► integrate with your third party lights [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► and stuff like that they're not being [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► like Apple would only work would only [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► work with your Apple lights or whatever [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► they're all big on third-party [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► integrations they already announced an [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► API which we still don't have four [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► series over for developers [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► unless unless Google homeless this is [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► the nest hub that we read about [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and all those tell articles about next [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► about honest was going down in flames [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► and everything was breaking I really [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► hope this is not the long-delayed hub [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► from the nest people because the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► dysfunctional organization is not gonna [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► make a good product but assuming this is [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► made by functional organization I i [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► think this will be an impressive Brock [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► and I think I might actually get 1 i've [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► been holding off on the echo just [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► because it's the first generation [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► product or whatever but if this gets [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► really good reviews i think the reason i [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► will buy it because I basically I have [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► more faith in google that amazon in [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► terms of supporting and evolving this [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► product and being good at the more [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► interesting sophisticated parts of it he [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► told that the downside though I mean [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► that the counter-argument to that first [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► of all there is this the big privacy ? [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► we should address because a lot of [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► people are like you know I was one of [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the people I I freaked out when Amazon [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► be released i realize the echo and I was [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► like you're you know you're not Amazon [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► put a speaker and a microphone in your [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► house is listening to everything you say [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► all the time and similarly we know when [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► google bought nest everyone's like [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► you're gonna have you want Google to own [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► this thermostat that can look in your [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► house and stuff and and there's a lot of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► people my past self included who are [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► uncomfortable with that and and they're [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► just not gonna want that product in [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► their house and that's fine that's you [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know that's your decision if it you know [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► for me what tip the scale is what every [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Google fan usually says when asked about [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► privacy things which is basically what [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► this girl for me when with letting the [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► Amazon echo in my house was I saw how [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► good it was [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► I other people's houses like I saw how [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► good it was and I decided you know what [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► it's worth the trade-off [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► I'll take the risk I'll put this thing [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► in my kitchen because it is so good as [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► worth the trade-off and this is the same [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► thing that most google people say when [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► you know when they say they don't wait [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► if people like me ask them like you know [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► why do you want Google to have access to [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► all your data and to be analyzing [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► everything you do and and selling ads [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► against it and everything and the answer [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► I get most commonly is well worth it to [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► me because it's convenient in these [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► features of things that i want to have [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► made the decision and you know I can't [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► really argue with that if you know if [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► you decide it's worth it to you then [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► it's worth it to you [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► I haven't just clarifying where iphone [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that I don't see it as a trade office in [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► like okay well there are detriments but [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► there are benefits i mean the trade-off [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► is there but like I would put it more [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► succinctly for [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► myself is that basically I trust Google [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► like I don't trust them with everything [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► I don't trust them like implicitly I [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► don't give the ball my trust but in the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► grand scheme of things I trust apple and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► I trust Google to basically be companies [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► that are trying to do the right thing [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and are not like you just inherently [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► evil like I don't know insert the name [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► your favorite company although it's [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► weird that I was just about to say [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► oracle but you don't really get back [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► into that and anyway I mean I would [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► trust Google before I trust facebook [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► oh yeah he's a great example right or [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► even antitrust amazon you know for the [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► most part and again don't trust them [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► entirely [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► I you have to be vigilant and so on and [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► so forth don't say oh I just trust them [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► to listen to everything my house that [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► never gonna do anything you will never [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► gonna sell me to advertise like I trust [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► them in that I kind of I know what [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► they're gonna do I know what they're [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► about but in general [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► still the company seems to me to be [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► mostly trying to do the right thing as [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► long as you understand their business [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► and how much advertising is a part of it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and what is probably gonna happen to all [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► your data and the fact that the u.s. [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► government is probably going to have [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► hooks into all this stuff and they're [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► not going to tell you about like as long [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► as you go on with a clear head [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► the bottom line is that by I I trusted [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► this is not i'm not like backdooring my [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► entire house forever and ever and I you [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► know and I wouldn't install a device [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► from a company that I trusted less or [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► company that was less competent or more [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► likely to go out of business or more [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► likely to get to do something in [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► desperation for money [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► you know what I mean like there's so [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► many things it for me in favor of google [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► so yes it is a trade-off but mostly what [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► it comes down to is that you know I [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► trust Google enough to put something [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► like this in my house you know I I spoke [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► about i think that i am a brand new [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► google photos user and the more i use [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► this app that both web app in the native [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► apps the more i like it in the morn [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► amazes me and and quickly during the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► keynote they said oh and you know google [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► photos does some incredible things than [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► I think it's what 200 million active [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► users on it or something like that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► whatever the number is but you can even [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► search for something like hugs and of [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► course in the room I mean it was half [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► Android developers are mostly Android [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► developers and a couple of theirs and so [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► I immediately hopped on google photos [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► and tighten hugs and sure enough there [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► are a bunch of people hugging each other [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► like usually Aaron me and Declan that [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► show up immediately like this stuff [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► google photos does is amazing and [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► seeing how good it is makes me wonder [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► well if they're this good with photos i [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► wonder how could they would be with this [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► google home thing so I agree with you [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► John that this it the the google photos [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► as kind of been my gateway drug back [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► into google like I still use gmail for [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► both work and personal mail but that's [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► just kind of a thing in the background I [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► don't ever use the web app it's all just [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► basically I'm apt to me but man google [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► photos has really changed my tune as to [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► how I think about Google these days and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► i'm giving some serious positive side I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► to this google home thing because it's [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► aesthetically pleasing be that being a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► weeble or not it still looks good and [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► I'm tentatively interested in what the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► springs in a way that I haven't really [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► been in the echo and not to bring this [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► back tough to food again but they were [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► here we go one that said show was [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► talking to maybe this was the ethics is [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► this one [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► talk about a I think getting the aloe [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► thing later but it's all tied up in the [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► same sort of natural language processing [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► type where they're asking questions of [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► these products and having it do things [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► for you and they always want to demo [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► those because they always want to show [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► that the video of like an entire family [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► talking to the to the google home device [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► which is a little bit overblown because [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► I can you know the impression you get is [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► this entire family spends its entire day [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► living in the same house but all all [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► their their words are addressed towards [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the inanimate object instead of the [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► other people which I you know you kind [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► of get that because you have to you have [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► to fit in lots of examples of uses in a [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► single you know too many commercial and [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► anyway that aside a lot of what the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► things are doing is trying to sell the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► fantasy that it's like a personal [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► assistant where flight is delayed and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► you want to move your dinner [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► reservations and you just wanted to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► handle things for you and i start i [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► think those make for good good demos but [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► also bad demos because think they raise [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► expectations on reasonable levels [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► because every time they do something [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► I see sort of like scrolling down the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► side of my virtual screen like all the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► cascading number of assumptions that are [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► in there that your restaurant has an [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► open table reservation that it [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► understands that you know that the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► restaurant thing you're talking about [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► that is that that it knows about your [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► flight that you know like that you [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► didn't use a different email [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► just for this that it wasn't sent to a [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► different person that like that just so [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► many things have to go right for that to [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► work and they make it seem like you [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► don't have to worry about a care about [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► those but you do because if you're [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► flying on an airline that doesn't have [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► integration in the same way or you want [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► to go to restaurant that doesn't support [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► opentable or you something was done on a [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► spouse's account and not yours so you're [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► talking to but it doesn't understand it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► doesn't know anything about that flight [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► because it's done through a different [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► google ID or you know like so many [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► possible things can go wrong to make [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► them not working when they do go wrong [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► even in the slightest way it's like the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► old you know give up and use tables [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► website it's like if anything goes wrong [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► at all right forget how to do an iphone [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► or I'll sit down in front of the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► computer because no I'm trying to have [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► an argument and getting a text adventure [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► syntax game with this thing so it all [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► looks magical and and the same thing [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► with like ordering food all the food [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► waiting for you to get home [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► food from where you want korean found in [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► your restaurant you just accepting the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► restaurant that he gave you what if you [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► don't like the restaurant doesn't learn [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► which restaurant you like does it like [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► there's still this is so primitive where [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► it's not and I don't feel like it's [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► going to help me with my life unless I [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► just don't care where things come from [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► want the most generic things like I [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► wanted to know i always get indian food [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► from this place or if it's not sure they [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► should ask me do you want to get into [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► place you got last time and it's all [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► predicated on the fact that it can order [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► from those places you probably can't [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► because your favorite in places no idea [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► what computers are and they only take [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► cash and it's it just doesn't [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► we're not there yet and these ads make [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► it seem like they are there but I don't [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► know anybody except like mattis maybe [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► who can actually live this life like [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► where you just touch talking to the air [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► and everything you do is exactly [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► integrated and well he wouldn't like it [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► because you have know exactly where [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► everything is coming from you can't you [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► can't just say army indian food is the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► safe Casey we talk about anybody can [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► just say army needs will be waiting for [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► you yet you'll be happy [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► order what what do you want to order [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► from where like it just it grinds my [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► gears to see that but anyway I i do have [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► confidence that google is going to be [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► better at this natural language stuff [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► than amazon just because they have so [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► many smart people doing this and Amazon [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► probably has a smaller slightly smaller [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► number of smart people dying but amazon [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► has has I think two big strains I mean [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► number one first of all I mentioned they [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► have massive retail power here to push [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► these things and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► by all accounts the echo had probably [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► already has a a decent-sized install [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► base so that's that's you know barrier [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► number one for Google to try to overcome [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► you can you can overcome like the head [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► start the echo has gotten with a good [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► product but it's gonna be really hard to [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► overcome the massive retail and [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► promotional advantage you know just [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► asking just ask anybody who has tried to [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► make a successful technically advanced [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► e-reader in the last you know eight [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► years or so but that google has a big in [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► there because google home [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► who cares if the little turd that's an [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► outer downgraded from people ever sell [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► because all the set the same thing is [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► all powered by the whole assistant thing [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► and that's going to be on all their [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► phones and they have a ton of phone so [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► that is there that is the wedge [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► basically like look maybe the home never [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► beats out the echo but if we can make [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► this thing on all of our phones so that [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► you know the the 50-percent plus of the [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► world that has android smartphones gets [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► used to using this on their phones then [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► they'll still win because again the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► phone is going to swap how many people [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► bought a little Solis cylinder even if [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► people just shout across the room to [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► their phones and people started adding [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► multiple microphone so you're right that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► is a barrier but google already has like [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► a beachhead there they have they have a [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► way around like I think google care less [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► whether Google home succeeds then [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► whether this assistive technology [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► becomes sort of what Google is known for [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► in the modern error instead of just web [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► search [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that's fair well so-and-so the other the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► other all gather at the advantage that [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► amazon has right now is that the echo is [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► not trying to be that kind of like super [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► smart fantasy California land you know [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► or community food which magically does [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► exactly the right thing you want like [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the echo is more like a really simple [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► command-line and once you learn the [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► relatively small vocabulary and and [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► syntax that a dead it supports it's [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► incredibly reliable doing those things [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► and so it I think while it might at [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► first have a slightly higher learning [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► curve for like you know day one two [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► three [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► I think once you get past the very very [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► initial part of it i would say the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► echoes actually easier to use once you [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► figure out things the kind of things [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► that work with it [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► those things work incredibly reliably [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► and so that's that's the challenge [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► anybody has commanded us like I think [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► serie doesn't do as well that because [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► serie tries to do more doesn't have an [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► API that to Siri tries to do more but it [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► doesn't it doesn't really do any of them [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► reliably enough it and it's hard to know [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► before you before you ask Siri something [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► it's hard to know whether you will [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► succeed or not [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► whereas with the echo it's you get you [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► you figure it out within a few days to [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► figure out okay this is the kind of [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► thing will succeed this is the kind of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► want google is obviously trying to be [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► very ambitious with with the kinds of [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► things that that their thing can do the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► google home can do we will see if it [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► works I think if anybody can do that [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► kind of complexity it's them so it might [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► work to me I think the biggest risk for [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► buying into the google home ecosystem is [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► whether Google themselves will lose [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► interest or it will fail within a few [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► years because you know their track [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► record for that isn't great either [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► something is not working they're the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► first ones to to kill it usually just [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► don't tell them to feedburner is still [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► running because i think they thought I [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► think about it but anyway you know [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► google is they [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► if you look at the history of like [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► various initiatives they've had various [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► like big platforms have tried to launch [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► its it's littered it's a huge graveyard [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► stuff they've shut down so it's no [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► different than amazon well that's true [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► but if they try this out if it doesn't [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► get very far in the market it you know [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► they could choose to fight harder and to [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► keep going or to shut it down so and if [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► you if you like bought the wrong [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► hardware and they shut yours down like [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that kind of sucks it's kind of like a [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► format war going on but don't you think [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► this this has a big advantage in that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► the underlying technology was under like [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► this and aloe and all that stuff but the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► underlying sort of machine intelligence [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► natural language processing speech [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► interface that I feel like is a core [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► technological effort to google that is [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► not going away like a hundred percent [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► guaranteed not going away right now the [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► individual products you're right maybe [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► they get google home and end up like oh [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► we have the second version is not [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► compatible and you're stuck with some [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► bad hardware and they meant to stop [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► supporting I could totally see that [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► that's a danger in any sort of product [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► like this and there you know [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► historically because i have not been [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► particularly good about preserving that [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► but I if you're going to have any faith [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► in any sign of product efforts it's not [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► going to be like the the weather [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► balloons that give you Wi-Fi or the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► self-driving cars is going to be the [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► natural extension of basically the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Google's core product which is search [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► which is that taking that to the next [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► level also because it ties into [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► advertising if you can be honest like a [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► why would Google stick with this time [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► ever they've been doing it for years [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► right and be it totally fits with web [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► search both web search and advertising [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► so i have to think that this effort will [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► continue to go on and if these products [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► are like that they will iterate on them [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► that they will they will make future [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► versions of and then we'll keep going [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► and there is a still slim chance that [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► you buy some hardware might be offered [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► because they bail on that have a new [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► iteration with a new name or whatever [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► but I really think this is not esoteric [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► or in in fear of being a [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► flash-in-the-pan simply because it just [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► read so much as Google to be a not [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► tangential like I feel like this is if [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► you were to say what does google like 50 [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► years in the future [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► it looks less like typing in text boxes [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and more like a much better version of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► this because it's just such a natural [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► extension and certainly wasn't machine [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► learning was their version of customer [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► SAT like if we were doing a drinking [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► game and machine learning caused you to [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► drink you would have been under the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► table after the first 20 minutes because [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that's all we heard about and I mean [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► Apple has its own foibles and very [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► similar ways like customer SAT but [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► machine learning was all over this [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► keynote and i agree with you John but [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► that seems to be where they're pushing [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► as a company is is trying to leverage [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► that machine learning in in any possible [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► way that they can and in some of those [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► ways like I've been talking about with [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► google photos and with google home [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► I think it looks really promising and [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► really really interesting and like it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► sits there was their their their logo or [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► their motto revision state whatever like [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► organizing the world's information [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► they've been slowly but steadily doing [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► that over the course of many many years [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► trying to get semantics into the [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► information so i don't understand not [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► just like oh this word appears there and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► these people link to that page but [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► understanding what the information is [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► that is actually looking at two [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that's how we can do that photo stuff [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► isn't the photos that doesn't just come [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► out of nowhere get a one-year project to [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► do it that's based on years and years of [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► research outside google and within and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► just working on it working on their [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► their language parsing that open source [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► that big you know natural language [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► processing thing and image recognition [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► and then stuffed with robotic this is [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► all about taking in information and then [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► developing an understanding of it that [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► can be encoded by computer so the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► computers can act on it so it's not just [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► text so that they understand the meaning [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► behind things once you have even the [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► barest meaning or the barest sort of [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► sensory perception of like is a car as a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► hug [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► what language this end where the words [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► mean that previous sentence when I say [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► said he and the next sense what are they [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► talking about like it's really basic [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► conceptually but it's really hard to do [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► for computers and they're doing on such [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► a massive scale that that that effort in [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► that research just is going to underlie [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► all their products from from here going [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► forward and maybe they're gonna hit that [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► inflection point where suddenly becomes [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► acceptable and and like it passes the [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► barrier from tech curiosity that were [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► all impressed by that but then only [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► nerds really use to just a normal thing [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► that everybody does [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► we may be getting close to that if only [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► because people don't like typing stuff [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► is all someone tweeting when the i/o [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► things going on at like how many people [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► will still see interacting with their [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► android phones or there you know iOS [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► devices purely by speech even though a [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► computer nerd looking at them with just [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► cringe and how incredibly inefficient is [TS]