The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► talk about tebow next week sorry John [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► we're never talking with Eva so we're in [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► the midst of talking about what to do [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► about shirts for this year we've been [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► talking about it the three of us for a [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► couple of weeks now thing and i really [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► like it and i really like it and we [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► haven't really come up with any [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► brilliant ideas in terms of design we [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► don't want to just kind of phone it in [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► and do regurgitation of a prior design [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► but you know we if their listeners that [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► would like shirts we want to fulfill [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► that need [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► so where were in the midst of a debate [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► over what to do when we were currently [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► leaning towards I think not doing shirts [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► this year in part because teespring [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► isn't going to have them done and [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► delivered before wdc which is typically [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► when we try to get this thing done by so [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► we're not sure what to do [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► yeah so because basically letting you [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► know WBC is is a nice target date [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► because a lot of fans are there and [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► people like buying shirts and showing [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► off their t-shirts there but the reality [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► is that the vast majority of purchasers [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► of the shirt probably aren't going to pc [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► Edward we're talking like you do people [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► have t-shirt fatigue or people tired of [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► teachers people have too many t-shirts [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► is there anything else we could sell [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► they be a hoodie maybe like mugs or [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► other stuff that's not shirts polo [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► shirts and so and and you know my [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► position is very strong that like I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► think we should have an original design [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► every time we do these things and and [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► you know we because we don't want to [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► like you know I learned forever ago from [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► howard stern actually I learned a lot [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► from he had a thing he was he was kind [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► of criticizing somebody else if it's [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► nothing I didn't rush limbaugh school [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► some other like talk show host for like [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► constantly nickel-and-diming the [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► audience for just selling them all sorts [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► of garbage with with his name on it or [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► something like that and and howard said [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► like his his position as always to [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► basically asked the audience for money [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► as infrequently as possible to not so [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► that's why you can't get like howard [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► stern's face on a bumper sticker like [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► you can't there's there's pretty much no [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► official merchandise for the shows it's [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► very little if any i can I never even [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► seen any and he said when he moved to [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► serious that was like a big ask that was [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► like are you moving from free [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Radio to a paid services like a madman [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► ask the audience now for the pretty big [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► ask [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► come to me just to this paid service and [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► he said he was already asked them for [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that then he really didn't want to ask [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► them for more money like anything else [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► he really wanted to kind of like [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► conserve the times he asked the audience [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► for money you know as respect for the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► audience and so that when he does ask it [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► matters and so I i I've kind of [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► internalize that and a lot of stuff I do [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► and that's why I feel like with the show [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► I feel like for us to ask the listeners [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► hey go buy this thing I want to make [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► sure it's it's good i want and i don't [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► want to ask that question too often and [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► so that's why I like for me it's not [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► enough to just say let's just do you [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► know that the original shirt with the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► logo wanted with Swift on the back for [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► instance which one of the ideas we had [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► but should we should be fine because the [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► original version had just seeking the [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► back wheel but Swift in the back and it [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► would feel like folding it in and we [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► don't want to do that to you to the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► audience because if we're going to ask [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► you to buy something we want to make [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► sure it's it's like good and and that we [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► are putting a lot of effort into our [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► site as well [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► yeah so we're in summary were not sure [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► what to do and and when we don't know [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► don't know what to do with probably spun [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► wait until somebody has a clever idea i [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► do love that lava like in the chat [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► suggested making ATP watchstrap i do [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► think that is brilliant that is [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► fantastic for the Apple watches the the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► two of us are wearing LOL it could [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► become multiple multiple versions my [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► could have a spring bar so you can put [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► any watch and John's could just be like [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► something that you hang on the wall or [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► something i can come with the arm hair [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► already torn out of your arm and attach [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it to the strap [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► well John we could get like we can get [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► like custom dining flexes printed I [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► don't know what that is I have no idea [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► what that is weird I about it's a there [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► the RSI the little like gyroscopes [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► pinball things that people use for our [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► so that's actually really good idea for [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► a while to get used to this [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► alright alright speaking of useless [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► information i have a very short story [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► that i'd like to share [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► I apparently have a know what's the term [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► for this somebody that has my exact same [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► name but isn't me [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► doppelganger between or doppelganger by [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► yeah but it doesn't he doesn't look like [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► me when I was trying to get myself onto [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► the right time table when I was in [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► california on vacation as everyone [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► always is when they're in California I [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► probably [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► is doing vandy search for god knows what [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► and I somehow came up with the link i [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► just put in the chat that says casey [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► list a senior computer engineering major [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► at the University of New Hampshire [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► presented his research on quote IOT [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► security basic implementation of the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► hash function Blake and I was completely [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► stupefied by this because I've seen [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► plenty of Casey's not even seen a [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► handful of Lissa's but to see the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► combination of kc list was startling and [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► then furthermore I found another page [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► this is how bored in desperate i was [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► during my bout of insomnia i found [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► another page that had some mention of a [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► of a guy Cory lists cor ey who [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► supposedly looks like justin timberlake [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► even though he really doesn't who has a [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► twin Casey listen this is doubly [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► interesting because my dad's name is [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► cory it's spelled differently but yeah [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► very weird and that's totally weirded me [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► out and I wanted to share with the group [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► and we can cut this from the show you [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► know it would be amazing i'm not [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► Christmas show because i think it would [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► be amazing if it became like a thing [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that people did that whenever they [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► wanted to give like a fake name to a [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► newspaper reporter or something instead [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► of going for something like name that [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► sounds like you know like some general [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► reference when it said aloud that you [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► know people have done before you start [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► giving named casey less ok and it [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► wouldn't be amazing to just have like [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► all the kc Lissa's like just showing up [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► everywhere [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► no that'll ruin my vanity searches man [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► come on that's the best reason to do it [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah so that really weirded me out [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► when I was in California was probably [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► three in the morning or something like [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► this and i found that i have a quasi [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► doppelganger I think there's a term for [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► this I don't think its doppelganger [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► because this is a double ganger somebody [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that looks like you but isn't you [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► yes where's the Loom lot it's over the a [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► I gotta get this right and unless we [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► have all the appearance [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► oh my god those for you yeah we're all [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► just one serial killer away from having [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► her vanity searches ruined anyway you're [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► going through a letter or pop star you [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► going through life and your name is [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Michael Bolton has an office space and [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► you feel like you're fine [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► it was a good game so that no-talent [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► assclown room [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► God did we or did we get a reference [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► trifecta I yeah i was i'm coming down to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► your level [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► it's one of the five movies I've seen [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► goodness alright so we should probably [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► do a little bit of follow-up wdc charge [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► failures we had a lot of discussion in [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the past episode about what would happen [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► if you win the lottery and you have won [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the right to give Apple sixteen hundred [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► dollars of your money and then they [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► attempt to charge your credit card and [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► credit card company says screw you [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► listen David back road in and said I got [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► an email on Saturday that they failed to [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► charge my card for WWDC I updated my [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► info and they successfully charged it [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► today I even got a phone call from an [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► apple dev relations representative to [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► make sure everything worked out [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► additionally Andrew wrote in my credit [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► card got declined not for billing info [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► apple gave me three days to get it fixed [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► yeah so that's great sounds like they [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► have they have taken this really bad [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► like just kind of like you know really [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► like hurts to happen to you floss from [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► previous lottery systems the last couple [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► years and they have fixed it so that's [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► great let's talk about Volvos level for [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► self-driving car [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► yes the beginning of the beginning [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► beginning middle of the autonomous [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► driving crash talking among car vendor [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► so Tesla that's a lot of the press for [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► the self-driving cars and marco was [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► talking about the last show how people [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► were asking always the one that drives [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► itself and everything and so of course [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► every car maker has some variant of this [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► type of technology they're out now are [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► coming out soon and Volvo is hyping its [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► self-driving stuff mostly on a safety [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► basis and they are trashing Tesla saying [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► that they have you know level for we [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► talked about that the past show the sae [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► levels of autonomous cars going from [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► zero to five five being full automation [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► of all those things supposedly level [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► forest is not only would drive itself [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► down the road but it is capable of [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► handling any situation that come across [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► without human intervention something [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► goes wrong in the car can even see if we [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► stop itself at the side of the road and [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► there are senior technical leader of [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► crash avoidance at volvo says yeah if [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► you don't take over meaning like if you [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► don't take over driving if you're [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► falling asleep you're watching a film [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► then we will take responsible [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► he won't just turn autonomous mode off [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► so that's you know Tesla will do the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► market was it like beeps at you or [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► something and then eventually turns [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► autonomous mode offers to do if you are [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► if you don't take the wheel it beeps [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► like a quick error code the beep and [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► then it's like the same code if it fails [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► your kind of used to hearing it in bad [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► situations and then it just said I you [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► know I haven't actually let it go to see [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► like what happens if I don't intervene [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► and I probably won't ever try that but I [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► would imagine it just coast I don't [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► think it likes slows down or try to pull [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► over or anything but I could be wrong [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► yes I was always saying there they said [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► they're claiming to have a level-4 [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► system which is called hi automation and [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► this little diagram from the SEC folks [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► one below full automation and they claim [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► that you know don't worry about it we [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► will handle everything we all want just [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► handle like oh well do that you driving [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► when it's easy but we get confused as [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► you're trying to take over the city when [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► you fall asleep [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► we'll handle it now does handling it [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► mean oh if you fall asleep pull over to [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► the side of the road because that could [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► be extremely dangerous depending on [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► which road you're on but anyway the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► research for true artificial [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► intelligence to drive your car continues [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► you know and also i mean there's there's [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► so many other things about this about [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► you know unintended automated driving [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► they're just really hard like as I'm [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► driving around it now town with this [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► like partially rudimentary referred [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► mental rudimentary what's the word their [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► rudimentary but with but in adjective [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► form I you got me rudimentary Lee anyway [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► whatever that word is if it exists as [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► I'm driving around with with a car with [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that level of automation I i see so many [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► situations where like wow myself every [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► car we have a really hard time with with [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► this thing i just adore this road them [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► on or this condition is past and even [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► simple things like those systems that [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► are automated for the highway great but [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► what about highways of traffic lights on [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► them you know then like if it's going to [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► be that level of automation wear it it [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► supposedly handles you stopping paying [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► attention [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► it has to also do things like stopped at [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► traffic lights and or you know follow a [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► traffic cop directions through [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► construction zones or something like [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► there's so many is so many things like [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that where [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► it's just a really hard problem that you [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► know things are even often hard for [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► humans to figure out what to do where to [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► put their car and so it just shows like [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► once you start thinking about it and [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► seeing the seeing in real life and [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► seeing how limited the systems are today [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► I think it just goes to show quite how [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► complex of a problem this is not that [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► it's unsolvable necessarily but that as [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► as we said last time it just may not be [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► as imminent as a lot of people are [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► predicting a few people have written [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► into say you know you guys you really [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► are supposed to eject volumes on windows [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► as well as on OS 10 i can tell you that [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► I used windows for a long long time and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► all I ever did was pay attention to this [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► is almost always with the USB key pay [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► attention to when the USB key stopped [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► flashing its little LED and then I [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► ripped it out never thought twice and i [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► think i might have data may have had [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► data loss like once who knows how many [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► files you corrupted you know then was [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that you notice once [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► fair enough i didn't know that you were [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► supposed to matter i thought that was [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► the the actual windows way was way for [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the blinking light to stop it must have [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► been at some point like in the das days [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► i guess because there's no unmounting [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► your floppy disk and das you just wait [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► for the drive like to stop blinking and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► then you right turn the little thing and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► yank out your five and a quarter but [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► anyway I it if you're supposed to do in [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► a modern windows too i have also not [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► seen people do that they just wait for [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► the light that thinking like to stop and [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► yank it out and that is crazy in a world [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► of Ohio but fair enough [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► alright well any other follow-up unless [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► unless we want to talk more about the [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► bumper sounds I mean we should talk [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► about that at some point out of its [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► follow-up anymore though we have more to [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► talk about we're leaving XP sounds [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► because they're perfect [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► alright moving on responses tonight by [TS]

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00:12:57 ◼   ► price they created this perfect mattress [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► sold directly to consumers limiting [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► Commission driven inflated prices this [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► award-winning mattress was developed [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► in-house by Casper has a sleek design [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and is delivered in a remarkably small [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► box you can get up narrow stairs and now [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► in addition of the mattress Casper also [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► offers an adaptive pillow and soft [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► breathable sheets [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the mattress industry has forced [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► consumers into paying notoriously hi [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► markups Casper has revolutionized the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► industry by cutting the cost of dealing [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► with resellers and showrooms and pass [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that savings directly to consumers now [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► it has team of engineers spent thousands [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► of hours developing this Casper mattress [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► it combines springy latex and supportive [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► memory foams for sleep services just the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► right sink and just the right balance [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► plus the breathable design sleep school [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► to help you regulate your temperature [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► throughout the night [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► this mattress comes in a shockingly fair [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► price premium mattress is often cost [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► well over fifteen hundred dollars but a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► caster mattress cost just 500 for twin [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► 754 full 854 queen and 954 a king and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► these are made in America cats were also [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► made buying mattresses online easy and [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► completely risk free with free delivery [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► and free returns within a hundred knight [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► home trial if you don't love it i'll [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► pick it up at your house and give you a [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► full refund within a hundred Knights [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► Casper understands the importance of [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► truly sleeping on a mattress before you [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► commit especially considering you're [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► going to spend a third of your life on [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► it now we've heard from friends and [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► listeners who all have great things to [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► say about the cast for mattress and time [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► magazine named it one of the best [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► invention of 2015 [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► it is now the most awarded mattress of [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► the decade so get yours today and try it [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► for a hundred Knights in your own home [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► with free delivery and free returns with [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► home pick up completely risk-free go to [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► Casper calm / ATP and use code ATP for [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► fifty dollars towards your mattress [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► thanks to cast for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► so you released a new version of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► overcast which has a much-improved sync [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► system or maybe yeah how was your day a [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► few days ago [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► well I release two versions overcast in [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the last few days if that tells you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► exactly how good the first one was mine [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► yeah I released a new version overcast [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that had a noticeable improvements to [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► sinking and in particular the speed of [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► syncing between multiple devices and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► iikind of code name this quick sync even [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► though i know lots of other things i can [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► tell things like there's so many things [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► in the tech industry called Quick Sync [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► that's why I'd not really heavily [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► branding it and I didn't capitalize it [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► i'm not really it doesn't appear [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► anywhere in the apt [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► kind of is what i call it in blog posts [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it basically what this is is a weird [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► tricky sync system that combines push [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► notifications and icloud key-value store [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► to try to get fast thinking between [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► multiple devices most of which are Apple [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► devices and one of which is my website [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► the technical details of it aren't that [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► interesting i don't think every single [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► object has a sink version number on it [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and when you make a change you increment [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► the version number and the server [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► command the server managers conflicts [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► when they arise when you make a change [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► you also append to an iCloud key value [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► store list the object you just changing [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► its ID and then the version number that [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► you just set on it when the key-value [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► store syncs across other devices that [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► are running overcast they will within [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► usually a few seconds or so they will [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► get that notification from iCloud which [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► has a persistent connection to the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► phones will get information from cloud [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► saying hey this dictionary just changed [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► and now you can look at you can say this [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► has version numbers on these objects [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► that I don't know about yet so then that [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► triggers the device to go to my servers [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and fetch the new information even in [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► the background [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► well it won't it if the app is running [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► at all it'll get the notifications but [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► if it's so if it's playing audio it will [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► get them because running but if it's [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► suspended in the background when it's [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► not playing audio it won't get them [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► until it wakes up again [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► gotcha so i made the system and I [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► tightened up a few other timings of [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► various things like when you activate [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► the app how often is it sink is it to [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► sink every time you activated or is it [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► doesn't have like a certain minimum [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► every X minutes and then certain things [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► you do like should I sink every time you [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► pause or seek and then if if you're just [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► playing audio how often should I sink [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► the playback position of that so if that [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► thing's probably to the website and your [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► other devices if you have any devices [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► it's just this kind of complex fairly [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► boring solution to a really tricky [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► problem which is sinking things in both [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► way that's quick and efficient of data [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► and power usage and server resources [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► it's kind of hard to get right and the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► first version i launched I didn't get it [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► right and smoke there was a sink loop [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► issue which fortunately I could fix [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► server side but all day yesterday my [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► servers are collapsing because this in [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► theory creates more sink requests than [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► before i was expecting this [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► and so on the server I i actually the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► server tells the app how frequently to [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► sink certain things and and how long [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► certain time should be so things like to [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► to coalesce or had his head [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► federico that koalas time timer [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► qualifying yes so so I i do some of that [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► and so the server using just like you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► know tweaking some variables variables [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► in the server i can slow down all the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► ads or speed them up and so I lost like [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► kind of like a middle setting i thought [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► would be good a little bit conservative [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► and my servers were just collapsing and [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► I'm wondering what the heck is going on [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► so I start looking at the logs right at [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► you know adding more debug information [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► for an optimized certain things I [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► immediately provision fifty percent more [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► web servers just more instances get them [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► out there p someone comes with the [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► massive speed up and memory reduction so [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► in the midst of all this i'm like you [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► know I was running on one server before [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► and let me just deployed to the rest i [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► need any savings you can get right now [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► so i have creepy doll them doing all [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► this crazy stuff upgrading things [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► optimizing things checking database [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► query spreading out memcache like doing [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► all like mike reading skills of it was [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► like the server day from hell [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► in my career I've had many server days [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► from hell [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► very few of them know after i left [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► tumblr because i was once I left tumblr [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► i was dealing with things that were just [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► much smaller scale so it's paper you [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► know I had some of those days but the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► scale wasn't as big and then with with [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► overcast I've had almost none of those [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► surveys from hell because a I've gotten [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► better at do at doing server stuff be [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► the server stuff has got more powerful [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► and see overcast isn't that big as i get [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► further from having server days from [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► Hell frequently each one I have now is [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► like I have no tolerance for any more so [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► each server day from hell i have now at [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the end of it just like i'm just using [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► iCloud from now on I like I don't want [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► to ever be doing this again [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► but but but i'm still doing it for the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► next few days at least speak what [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► happens anyway so eventually to make a [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► very long story short eventually I'll i [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► figured out under certain conditions [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► after basically there there's a race [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► condition checker if between when used [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► when you start a sink and when you end [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► the sink if you change that object [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► locally then you by definition have the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► most recent version as long as think [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► that you didn't span hours or days or [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► whatever you know if it's like an [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► immediate mode sink if you modify it [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► during sync operation and the server [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► comes back saying what you have is [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► out-of-date replace it with this stuff I [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► got from some other ipad somewhere [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► that's in your closet then you know like [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► know what you have is correct so there's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► a condition where the app can tell the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► server no matter what you think you have [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► replace it with what i have i'm forcing [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► you to accept my eyes a force over right [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► kind of conflict resolution [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► there's condition where the app was [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► saying no force this because there was a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► race condition the server under certain [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► conditions was incrementing its version [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► number on the response back which meant [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it put itself in a loop the app would [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► say no force it to have this the server [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► would say okay and it was sent back [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► something saying but the new version is [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► this and the app would say okay but I'm [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► also changing out the new version is [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► this plus one server would say back on [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► ok thanks but now it's this plus 1 so it [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► was it created this loop under that [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► certain race conditioned response [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► scenario that in which also nothing was [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► actually changed it [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► it's this wouldn't have happened for [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► almost anybody and I had a beta test [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► that have 500 people on it and it never [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► happened in the beta should let it run [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► to see if you could have overflow the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► how big was the the number big enough [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► that i would have gotten very big [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► trouble if i would have let that happen [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► because it's I i don't think i used a [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► big and i think i use a regular in so [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► it's it's at least 32 bits ahead and and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► I was seeing revision numbers that were [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► in like the you know six hundreds range [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► so it would have taken a while to get to [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► 4.2 billion that will be there it was [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► if I unsigned it you know maybe two [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► billion if I if I didn't if I signed it [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► but anyway [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► so this this is obviously a problem [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► fortunately that i was able to fix [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► server side but it took me most of the [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► day to find that to figure out what was [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► causing certain clients to just hit the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► sync service over and over again with [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► seemingly identical looking requests so [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► i resolved my day from hell for the most [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► part there was also separately from that [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► a race condition sink plug which causes [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► episodes to basically come back from the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► dead [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► sometimes like if you if you played it [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► on an iPad and then went and finished on [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► your phone [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► next time you launch the ipad app the [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► ipad but tell the server hey I have this [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► version of those things I'm playing and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► it also can can cause some weird issues [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► so i submitted an expedited request [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► which I hardly ever do so basically it [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► was it was a day and a half from hell [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► and now my hands are all sore from RSI [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► stuff from the server day from how and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► yeah I i'm looking forward to just [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► talking for the next hour instead of [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► well not the whole hour you're gonna [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► talk for most of the rest of it the part [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► where we tell Marco about unit test [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► again I think Casey because i think [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► you're right on our regular scheduled [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► see what you do is for every weird case [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you can think of involving everywhere [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► device you simulate those scenarios in a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► series of tests and every time you come [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► for the new scenario that you're worried [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► about as you drift off to sleep you're [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► like I'm going to write tests for that [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► and see if it works and then you run [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► those tests to make sure you haven't [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► broken anything it really thats it [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► everytime you revise the sync system and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► then you feel better when you do release [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► and you're still not going to find all [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► the bugs but every time you find one of [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► them part of fixing the bug is not just [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► fixing it on your server and fiction and [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► your client releasing two versions but [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► writing a failing test case to isolate [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the bug and then fixing the bug and see [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► that it fixes your tests and then every [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► time you run this s you feel a little [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► better about the changes you're making [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► yep that cover everything [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► yeah I think so alright so so John case [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► you guys can come over and you can read [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► a bunch of tests for me to show me how [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► good they are [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► I won't pay you doing for exposure and [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► of course and then you can and if I like [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► it maybe i'll hire you in the future [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► mm I see how does everybody think so [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► it's the new gig you know where were [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► implementing the company's a pall over [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► again you know where we implementing our [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► app and the guy I'm working with whom [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► archos actually a Jamie he has not [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► really done unit testing before but it's [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► been really really open to it and really [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► interested in doing it on this project [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► you know cuz we're trying to do [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► everything is right as we possibly can [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► and over the last just 48 hours he said [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► to me at least three or four different [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► times oh my god i'm so glad i wrote a [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► unit test because I just exposed a bug i [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► didn't even know was there just saying [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► they're your friend kids they're your [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► friend systems are our pain especially [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► in client-server things are pain and you [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► know this is like sort of designing for [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► testability if you know you're going to [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► have something like that as a pain like [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► how much I'm gonna write as against as [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► you need a server and the client their [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► separate code bases the running several [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► places like it encourages you to make [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► both ends of your sync system work [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► disembodied like happens to be divorced [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► from both the client and the server so [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► you can actually test them and then the [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► only thing the client and the server [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► providing is like little homes and [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► transport mechanisms and you can test [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► the transformers and mechanisms [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► independently and then once you have [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► those pieces and you're confident that [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► those tests show that they work the way [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► they work then you can write your series [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► of scenarios with just a bunch of you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► know test data and fixtures and you know [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the beginning your chest you make a [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► whole bunch of theoretical devices in [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► different states and then you make them [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► collide with each other in different [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► ways you can do fuzz testing and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► randomize them and have them you know be [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► turned on and turned off at random [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► intervals to make sure everything [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► resolved and you know anyway [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► yeah they are they are super annoying to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► code and super annoying to test but if [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you if you code with that in mind from [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► the beginning you can save yourself a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► lot of a lot of headaches i remember [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► with the worst one I think I recall [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► doing was involved a whole mess of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► stored procedure code in the database [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► which is a particularly easy to like [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► divorce from the database itself and you [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► can't really mock it while you can [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► market the other sense of the word but [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► anyway so you kind of had so you had to [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► like sort of make a new database [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► instance for testing purposes filled [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► with crap data and then run the store [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► procedures I couldn't figure out how to [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► get that logic out of there and had to [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► be any way it always it that's that's [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► what the worst and the best project that [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► I can recall [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and that way the worst thing that was [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► the hardest to make it testable and the [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► best in that it was this Byzantine [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► system came up [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► movers come up with by some business [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► person with a very complicated excel [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► spreadsheet and there's no way in hell I [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► would have any confidence that I was [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► correctly implementing this crazy [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► specification it wasn't for x in x and x [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► of unit tests was the only I mean that's [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► the only way I could have you know when [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► i was done because it was just it was [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► nonsensical but it's like well this [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► thing does what you say in every obscure [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► scenario into the corner case that isn't [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► covered by your stupid specification [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► i'll ask you about it and whatever you [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► say on the mint and I'll say look this [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► is everything enjoy and I hope tomorrow [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► system is considerable as complicated [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► than that BS thing that I still think [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► about sometimes he still get the night [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► sweats about it is a fairly simple [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► system it really is it just it like most [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► of the bugs and sink have been on the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► app side not on the server side this was [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► really think this might be the first [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► server-side stink bug that I've ever had [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that was like meaningful well it's a [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► combination menu is like which side is [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the bug on who's behaving badly because [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► their server was confused because it was [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► sending back the wrong version number [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► but it's like you know it doesn't really [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► matter which side you're on the same [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► team here you just trying to just try to [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► get them to not have infinite loops like [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► that's the one you know coalesced to [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► some of the reversion that have does [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► those the worst test to make like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► performance tests and like average [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► number of sinks test to try to catch out [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► of bounds errors when you just want an [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► order of magnitude look I'm gonna run [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► this whole set of unit tests and it [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► should run somewhere in the thousands of [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► requests across the virtual wire if it [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► runs 10,000 or hundred thousand maybe [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► throw of test failure and say hey I've [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► seen order of magnitude change in the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► amount of traffic maybe something is [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► wrong and that's those type of like [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► heuristics especially when it's just [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► your own test for years like you know [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► because you what you saw was a crazy [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► increase in traffic but it could have [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► been legit like you don't know that you [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► don't you don't know what's out there on [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► the world how many minutes maybe [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► everyone just updated all the same time [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► or whatever but you're in your unit test [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► if you had triggered that that loop you [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► would have seen the number of requests [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► going back and forth be much higher than [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► it was before and then you [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► on the alert and be like all right well [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► none of my test got this bug but this is [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► really doing way more sinking traffic [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► than i think it shouldn't have to figure [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► what that is and for what it's worth the [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► protocol oriented design and Swift makes [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► a lot of this much easier just saying [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► great you can come right all about you [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► can write on my swift code to that's [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► so when you are doing all these fixes [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► you said a lot of it with server-side [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► would you just deploy that crap live [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► everywhere and just pray that everything [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► was good like how do you handle [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► deployments in general and then also in [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► these like red alert all hands on deck [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► sort of situations but i had to go [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► through code review first and then qai [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► take away haha he had the inside officer [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► management yeah has to go through legal [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► yeah well first i run my my arsenal of [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► unit tests and integration tests [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► whatever that in mediums [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► yep I don't honestly know what that [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► means I then have a stand-up in the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► parking lot [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► would you stop answer the damn question [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► yes so uh i use get to manage my [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► webserver source code and when I you [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► know what I i have local development [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► environment on my mac so I test things [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► locally here relatively informally and [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► then I'm careful i know that sounds [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► terrible i apologize to everybody who's [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► yelling at me right now through their [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► car speakers or whatever and then I go [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► to one of the servers that is kind of [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► like they like maintains the master [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► check out and I do get pull on there and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► then I have a deploy script from there [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► that are single the files to all the [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► other servers that matter and that [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► script runs a few additional checks to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► make sure things like I didn't commit a [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► PHP syntax error like a real refuse to [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► push anything like that but it's fairly [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► for the most part fairly rudimentary [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► preflight checks there and then it sinks [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► it and i watch logs and i watch stats [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► afterwards to see like tenting reporting [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► errors anything jumping up and load [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► weirdly or having way you know [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► no more anything that I measuring your [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► way less than anything I measuring I'm [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► measuring things like cache hit rates [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► and all sorts of your database [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► performance database lag stuff like that [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► so you're pulling service out of the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► pool as you update them [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► no that's not a pc works literally just [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► replace the files like life I know but [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► you're not you're not replacing all the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► files at once though [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► no it doesn't matter what I kind of does [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► Nick I think and it does [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► no I I know what you're saying in [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► practice it doesn't matter really like [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► for the kind of things i'm doing for the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► four the speed at which these things are [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► happening the way PHP manages it and the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► error rate like that happen from like [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► somebody getting a partially updated [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► check out it's enough to to usually [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► cause like one crash a year [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► well at the traffic regular your normal [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► traffic rates yes but 10,000 requests a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► second the the number of requests to [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► come in between the time the first file [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► our sinks to a server in the last five [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► hours think the server could be a big [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► number [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► oh yeah well that's why I mean yeah [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► 10,000 requests a second like you don't [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► know that that's when you develop better [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► systems but my normal traffic level is [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► like but a hundred remember you were at [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► 10,000 requests and second even if [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► you're at all those were actually [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► getting the application service [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► applications kept falling others just [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► being a lesbian all right well anyway [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► application server getting about 500 of [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► them is that the good thing about about [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► a truly disastrous scenario is like well [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► it's so broken now I can't possibly make [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it worse [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► and yeah basically it's like it's [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► working at the least of my concerns is [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► somebody hitting a web server actually [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► getting a response and having that [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► response be wrong because of these two [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► files at radisson are you know if I've [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► had 500 or something because you know [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it's a half updated source code or let [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that actually never happens like the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► files are seemingly updated atomically [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► or maybe PHP is smart about when it [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► likely pick them up fruit from it's [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► compiled cash i don't know he write unit [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► tests this with a bunch of sleep call [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► somewhere and induce this failure mode [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► and see what happens [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► added to your list and then he'll will [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► freeze over yeah i mean i kind of thing [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► like I i am fully aware that the proper [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► way to do these things are not the way [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► I'm doing them for meant for much of [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► this stuff you know the stuff that [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► matters [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I think I'm pretty solid on things like [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► security privacy like that stuff I i'm [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► pretty sure i'm doing correctly you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► as much as I possibly can but things [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► like like this it's more kind of like [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► the the advanced software development [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► proper methodology kind of stuff I do [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► play fast and loose with I know that [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► part of that is because i never learned [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► any other way and I do regret never [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► having worked in like a big software [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► development organization that was [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► well-run I i never had that experience I [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► only work in small places where they [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► were either just very few developers or [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► I wasn't the only one [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► and so it's I never learned the more [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► fancy systems from anyone elses work [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► environment and and I do regret that [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► career-wise on some level that's a whole [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► other set of pathology is associated [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► with those don't believe those are [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► actually I mean that's just a different [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► set of problems that come with the rest [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► is so you can [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► yeah so that's the main reason I don't [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► do some of the more formalized honestly [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► burn some stuff is because I don't know [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► how anyone ever done it and then the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► secondary reason is because I just don't [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► see the need or the justification for [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the time as a as a one-person you know [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► basically part-time project that it's [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► you know it's hard for me to justify [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► spending a whole bunch of time and [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► overhead and extra money on some of the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► stuff because it's like I can't afford [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► the time overhead for that and look I [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► know there's gonna be a lot of people [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► who say well if you can't afford to do [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► it right you shouldn't do it all and [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► well would you rather overcast not exist [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► you know it's that's these are the kinds [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► of decisions that I face and so you know [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► it's it you do what you can and you know [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► what when you're when you're working for [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► yourself on your own with a project that [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► has fairly slim margins you can't really [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► hire anybody else like you know you [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► gotta make cuts somewhere and either the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► product doesn't ship or doesn't progress [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► or you know you maybe you don't write / [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► unit tests or any but you know Horomia [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► now I mean the good thing is like that [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the app i'm assuming since I was used [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► during the time and didn't know say this [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the app is resilient to the server being [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► wonky for the most part you're not going [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► to see a bunch of you know just [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► the set the failures behind-the-scenes [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► to sink or whatever are not stopping you [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► from listening to your podcast so in [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► some respects you have a grace period [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► and protection against users you know [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► it's not as if you're at your service [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► starts throwing errors on every single [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► person using overcast can't listen to [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► the podcast and you're just not having [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► it manifests in fact so you won't even [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► see an error message unless you manually [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► initiate a sink like if you do the pull [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► to refresh and that sink fails you'll [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► see a box but if a routine think of the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► background fails you won't even know [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► alright so I betting for most people [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► they even though this was a busy [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► stressful day for you they had no idea [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► this was going on unless they follow the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► overcast twitter account because as far [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► as they're concerned maybe if they were [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► using multiple devices they would have [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► noticed that it didn't sink or something [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► and got a little bit of a frowny face [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► about your system but as long as once [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► you fix it it got in sync again and they [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► didn't have to do anything about it [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► you still got one leg up on like the the [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► stubborn and ability to sync stuff that [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► we all complain about an iCloud messages [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► or whatever where there's nothing you [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► can do and never fixes itself [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► automatically writers I mean like you [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► know I've built i built all my sink [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► stuff to fully work in offline and [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► failure scenarios and ended to do the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► right thing as far as i know we'll see [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► if I ever tested but as far as i know it [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► does the right thing like this all comes [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► like when I made into paper that was [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► designed for offline use the whole thing [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► was designed to be to have a bunch of [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► changes happen while offline and then [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► sink later at some point and have it [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► have it be correct and so I took that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► same ethos to overcast or like any state [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► of connections coming up and down and [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► doing stuff offline doing stuff online [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► it should always do the right thing when [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it gets a chance to connect again and so [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► you're right most people onto a like you [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► are on Twitter and stuff like I got [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► almost no support email about the server [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► problems and i got only a very small [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► handful of tweets most of the people [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► saying why is it like it's being slow to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► load this directory category or this you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► know it was something slow to load [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► something that dynamically fetched for [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► the most part this mean that that's part [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► of the reason why like why able to do [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► overcast server stuff without massive [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► stress weighing on me all the time [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► because honestly i don't have [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the capacity for that anymore i'm able [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► to overcast level of it because if the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► entire service goes down you know [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► worst-case scenario everything goes down [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► kingdom lights up all of my devices with [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► alerts for some reason that stays down [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► for like two hours [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► most of my customers won't even know and [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► that's kind of freeing in a way not not [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that I would let that happen but I don't [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► have to be in constant fear of that [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that's interesting point by the way [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► speaking of RSI that you were talking [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► about 4y well I RSI tip from my longtime [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► suffer many things contribute our side [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► was talked about in the past one of the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► really big contributors surprisingly [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► which people don't think about is stress [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► as and i'm not sure how much type in you [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► did Marco on that day but i would wager [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that it's probably not much more typing [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that you did on a really productive [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► coding day but if you are doing that [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► typing frantically while stressed it [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► makes a big difference in terms of how [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► much information and then problems you [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► get so we you because you'll be typing [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► harder because you'll be more prone to [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► you know whatever stress hormones are [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► going through some more prone to [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► inflammation being working when under [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► pressure when you are stressed huge [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► contributor to [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► in addition to the typical things we [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► talked about like how many keystrokes [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► did you type how long have you been [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► using the computer how many breaks if [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► you're taking us all those happen when [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► you're stressed you tend to not take [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► breaks everything like that but merely [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► be active being stressed depending on [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► your type of RS I can be a huge [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► contributing factor and I've always been [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► aware of that and the year since my [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► worst flare-ups that like sometimes you [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► just have to chill out like you can [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► continue to work productively and take [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► breaks but while you're working you find [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► yourself like tensing up and all but you [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► know just all the muscles in your body [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► telling that is terrible for most kinds [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► of RSI yeah i mean and that was totally [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► the case yesterday and today and and i [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► usually don't feel that and that's I [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► think you're right i mean that's that's [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► obviously very related to things like [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► back pain very very related and so I've [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► certainly seen that before [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► also I'm pretty sure I'm getting sick [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► and whenever i'm getting sick the day or [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► two beforehand coffee stops working and [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► I start getting our site ain't getting [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► stops working [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► does that mean it means like I no longer [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► get like the the energy boost the lady [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► awakeness boost from the caffeine [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► yeah but you can quit anytime don't [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► worry what if when you had mentioned [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► earlier that you were thinking about [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► when you said it kind of jokingly but [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► you said you were thinking about [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► switching entirely to iCloud I haven't [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► kept up with some of them the more late [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► breaking changes to iCloud in the last [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► year or 2i I know that there's some [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► amount of support for getting to user [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► data from the web [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► have you looked deeply or even slightly [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► deeply into that to see like could you [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► still do the overcast web app with just [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► iCloud I know about as much as bad as [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► what you just said but she's okay i know [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► there's some like they call it a [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► JavaScript interface but basically it's [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► whatever your best you could do from [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► server to i think yeah so they're there [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► are ways that you can use cloudkit from [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► the from something that's not an apple [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► device [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► I don't know anything more about it than [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► that and obviously if I decided to do [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► something like this [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► the first thing I would do would be to [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► look into that and you know what I'm [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► dealing with here [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► sure trade your personal stress for the [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► impotent rage of apples bugs that you [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► can't fix that you can't get them to [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► take seriously right but you know like [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► it every level whenever you whenever you [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► outsource some amount of your apps [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► functionality to some kind of [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► third-party service like that when [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► things break it's not usually your fault [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► it is your problem but there's often [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► nothing you can do about it like [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► oftentimes the solution is just well I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► guess we have to wait a few days for [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► this to get better or we have to wait an [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► hour for this thing to be up again or [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► whatever if it becomes longer than that [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► if it's like we have to wait a few years [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► for this to get better [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► that becomes a bigger problem for you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► you know then that's kind of on you that [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► you should you move to something else [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► but something like like you know I i [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► mentioned hosted at linode I don't [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► manage their switches and if they have a [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► network outage for like five minutes [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► nothing to do about it so it's kind of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► freeing in that way because it's like [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► well i just have to sit back and wait [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► for this to get fixed and you know maybe [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► if it goes on for a while I might file a [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► ticket just to make sure they're really [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► know about it but in every instance they [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► already did not [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► got it and it gets fixed a few minutes [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► later so it's you know nothing of a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► problem like this is like that you know [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► it's like the web hosting continue on [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► like you as you you can move up the the [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► hierarchy of like web hosting [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► abstractions and each one you go up you [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► know you get more things that are taken [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► out of your hands and then again they [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► are still your problem but you know it's [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► good that you're pretty if your [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► customers have your appt stop working [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► your service stopped working [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► they don't care if your web host is [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► having a temporary switch outage they [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► will go to you and they will say you are [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► down you are broken one star useless i [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► want my money back plus damages etc you [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► know them and the more you go up the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► stack you are saving yourself work but [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► you're also adding more and more things [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► to the giant list of things that are out [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► of your control and again it's a balance [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► for the most part that is freeing when [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► you do that but it does become a problem [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► if the service you're on just starts to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► suck it [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► it's not just a temporary outage but if [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► they just take a turn or quality slips [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► or they could decide to get acquiring [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and shut down the service that you were [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► using or something like that like that [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► because your problem i try to minimize [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► ways in which things like that can be a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► problem for me by doing things like you [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► know i'm just using standard Linux toast [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► my stuff and trying on VPS is but I'm [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► not doing anything fancy with the VPS is [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► and I could go to any other VPS or [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► dedicated server host and run the exact [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► same sort stack and with the exact same [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► servers and no changes really just like [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► moving servers over which is not that [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► big of a deal i keep things in such a [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► way that I i try to abstract away as [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► much as i can so i don't have to worry [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► about the basics of things like power [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► connectivity failed discs stuff like [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► that but i'm not going to go all the way [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► to a service like App Engine or heroku [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► or there or even amazon web services [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► honestly where things are so abstracted [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► a way that it's hard to replace for core [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► functionality i do you like s3 for [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► storing files and stuff but that's [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► easier to swap out of it sucks that like [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► oh my entire app is written based on the [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► assumption of these samples services [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► that i can't actually replicate anywhere [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► else but this provider [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► I feel like those companies you list all [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► be at least more superficially [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► responsive to your kids [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► turns an apple because all those things [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► like oh I've been i was using this web [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► servers are using a roku and my thing is [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► broken [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► there's some person you can contact who [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► will get back to you about whatever your [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► problem is maybe they won't solve it [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► immediately or whatever but historically [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► speaking apple has not been up to the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► standards of the other sort of [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► infrastructure service provider things [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► in terms of all you know there's totally [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► a support mechanism and a place where [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► you can report problems and expect the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► speedy response and report bugs and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► issues and get them resolved with Apple [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► I mean I'm just thinking like the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► football the poor gamecenter developers [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and like I mean surely they are trying [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► every possible mechanism to complain to [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► apple about their issues the game center [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that are causing their applications to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► hang or do weird things or have bugs and [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► not only they're not getting like a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► ticket reply in five minutes and a [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► response in 24 hours or whatever but [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► like these are just problems that are [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► festering for years on end and i have no [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► idea there's any official channel [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► contact going back and forth between [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► them but anyway Apple together I I was [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► measuring out not so much the did you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► wouldn't want to use one of these [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► services but that Apple specifically [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► they can highlight cloudkit and icloud [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► remember how good they maybe it just [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► doesn't seem like Apple set up to be the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► type of service provider like Amazon Web [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► Services a heroic or whatever where [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► those are entire businesses that are [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► about your developer we provide a [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► service you can use our services and if [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► you have problems with them [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► here's what you do and you can file bugs [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and track those bugs with system then [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► again number perfectly have problems and [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► you know all the trails you just talked [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► about but apple just seems so far from [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► from having even the basic sort of like [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► table stakes to be a reliable [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► third-party web services provider like [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► Microsoft Azure or whatever even though [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► they may have the tech stuff I feel like [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► they don't have the discipline of [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► whatever you call that the surrounding [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► infrastructure behind the tech the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► people the service the tracking the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► transparency all the things that you [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► would want in any service like that [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► yeah i mean the reason that i would [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► consider iCloud first of all like iCloud [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► is an umbrella term that covers lots of [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► different things and the things that are [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► under it [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► oftentimes are not related and have [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► vastly different [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► reliabilities and reputations and and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► kind of general suit abilities for [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► certain tasks cloudkit which is which is [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► what I would be moving to if I did that [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► it you know III don't know a lot of big [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► users of it but the the the bit i've [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► heard so far is that it is somewhat [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► limited but what it does it does very [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► well and it tends to work and i don't i [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► don't think a lot of people that i know [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► having trouble having trouble without [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► get the way they did with things like [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► iCloud core data sync was always a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► disaster or even things like the [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► key-value store sometimes get messed up [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► a little bit or something like that but [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► for the most part people think cloudkit [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► is pretty good for what it does as far [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► as i know yes one of the better [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► technologies they released but that like [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► the question is not nothing is perfect [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► the question is if something goes wrong [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► cloud cover your suspicious or you think [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► like you don't have visibility into [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► something something you can't tell [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► whether it's your problem or their [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► problem or its down for a while you're [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► requesting slow [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► do you have any hope of getting that [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► result or is it just like well I just [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► sit here and wait importantly and either [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► improves or it doesn't [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► right and there's all sorts of little [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► things that would that would be [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► problematic with cloudkit as well you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► know I mean you're totally right that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► like generally speaking the kind of [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► relationship that Apple has with the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► public with developers is in many ways [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► completely the opposite kind of approach [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► and attitude and openness that you then [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► within what you want from your web [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► services provider you know that's it's [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► really especially the developer it is [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► really like you want companies that are [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► transparent and that that are constantly [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► iterating and make things better and [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► that have stowed only a hundred percent [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► solid reputation for web services and [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► and in things like that and an apple [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► just isn't isn't those things that's not [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► the way they operate cloudkit also bring [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► the the second problem of tying your [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► overcast data to your devices currently [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► logged in iCloud account which is not [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► always a safe assumption to make [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► so I mean even in my house like we have [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► tips ipad pro has the best speakers of [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► any type of any iOS device in the house [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► because the ipad pro speakers are [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► awesome so we have this ipad pro signed [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► into my overcast account and in every [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► other way it's tips ipad but it's kind [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► of my overcast account because we use it [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► frequently as a kitchen or tea [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► mobile speaker to play podcast out loud [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► together if I moved cloudkit then we'd [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► have to either sign that entire ipad out [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► of iCloud so that it would have so kind [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► of my account instead of her account [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► even has all of her apps and her email [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► like everything else heard the ipad or [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► by second ipad which provide the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► solution Apple wants us to do or switch [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► to listening to her overcast account for [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► anything we listen to that lab which is [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► you know kind of clunky solution so you [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► know there's there's problems with [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► trying to ipod there's also the major [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► advantage the whole reason i would [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► consider using cloudkit is that right [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► now I'm kind of using iCloud key value [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► store as a kludge that the right [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► pronunciation of clued believe is a [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► closure could edit school anyway [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► right now i'm using this Kluge of [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► key-value store along with a server-side [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► saying to check and occasional push [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► notifications to try to trigger like a [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► somewhat real-time connection kind of [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► thing to to sink things quickly to each [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► other another way to do that would be to [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► have a persistent connection whenever [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the app is running you know kind of like [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► kind of like a chat like where you have [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► an open socket and you know you can make [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► very fast that server can tell you as [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► soon as it gets things the main reasons [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► I don't do that our way I'm not set up [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► for server-side and I could you know I [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► could become setup for server-side but [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► that's just it's another infrastructure [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► of thing i have to set up and maintain [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► and and and learn all the ways that [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► fails and be the bigger reason is that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► i'm a little concerned about battery [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► usage on the device apple maintains one [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► of those connections for the entire [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► device that's what I cloud use that's [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► what push notifications use there's [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► already a persistent connection to the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► device that Apple's maintaining for me [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► so if i move to my cloud based solution [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► i would be using the connection is [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► already there so the the battery penalty [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► would be either minimal or non-existent [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► compared to any other solution [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► did you know that for a fact that cloud [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► kid uses the an open connection i [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► thought it would have been doing on [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► demand I'm insured you know s manage [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► coalescing of requests only opening the [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► connection to whatever but isn't it a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► constantly open and I thought that was [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► maybe only for push notifications and [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► not for cloud kids [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► you know that's that's a detailed I just [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► don't know the answer yet i'm an apple [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► doesn't talk about it right and there [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► are silent push notifications with the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► content available flag that you can that [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► I do send the app whenever there's new [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► episode when I never capture the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► notification that wasn't a a message [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► only push that was a silent content [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► available push that woke up the apt to [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► tell it [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► here's a new episode to download the app [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► receives a notification from the server [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► checks locally with preferences and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► whether to send that to you while it's [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► also accusing it of download and things [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► like that and then shows you a local [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► notification so i could use those like [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► every time the server to change send a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► constable notification to all the other [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► devices on account I could do that but [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► those notifications are throttled and [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► are not guaranteed to be delivered and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the answer to how many content available [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► push notifications can one device [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► receives reliably in USA an hour or a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► day that information I don't think is [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► widely available and it's probably not [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► worth relying upon anyway so there's all [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► these little tricks and limitations that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► I was for power management and for you [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► know keeping apps kind of from from [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► making some clues and taking over the [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► whole phone i have to work around all [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► those words cloudkit and icloud stuff i [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► believe has special privileges and is [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► able to operate in i think more special [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► ways i think i double-check that but [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► that would be the main driving factor to [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► use it over you know any other kind of [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► system so if it could actually do that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► well and reliably that it might be worth [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► tolerating apples potential weirdness [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► and being your service provider or use [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► Microsoft Azure not worried about this a [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► lot of business you want to get the [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► advantage of the pretty privileged [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► background even doing your bidding for [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► you but seems like it would basically be [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► more similar to what you have now it's [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► your own back-end you make it however [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► you want to get your own account system [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► do whatever you want with it and [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► hopefully Microsoft would be more [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► responsive because they're hungry but [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► something like that's that's really not [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► that much different from what i have now [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► like I'm already right now running [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► instances of cloud computing resources [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► with code that i write doing almost [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► everything and managing almost [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► everything and like the stuff that that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► something like a sherwood would give me [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► things like [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► account management and like push [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► notifications like that's all easy to me [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► like that's that those are all solved [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► problems with like a couple hundred [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► lines of code that I wrote years ago and [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► that still work like those are all [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► totally solve problems that's not where [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► the difficulty lies [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► really the difficulty is in the stuff [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that with any of these providers you [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► have to write even with cloudkit [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► cloudkit like I called core data tried [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► to do the crazy thing of like just give [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► us access to your local database I'm [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► just gonna make it sink and we're going [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► to make that work that could never work [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► like things are not things are more [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► complicated than that it's not that [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► Apple did a bad job of implementing that [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► it's at the entire idea was deeply [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► flawed from the start that was never [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► going to work well [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► cloudkit the reason why people like it [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► so much better is because designed in [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► such a way that it is kind of like a web [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► service that you interact with that [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► notifies you when changes then you [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► locally in the app do things like [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► resolving conflicts you can still make [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► your own infinite loop yet exactly so [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► like you're still riding the hard stuff [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► you're just not running the servers but [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► like you're still riding all the tricky [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► complex sink logic in the app and thats [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► true any of these services because sink [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► is just hard and it's there really isn't [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► a generalized sink library that just [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► works for everybody [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► like if there was thinking wouldn't be [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► hard if you use iCloud if you use iCloud [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► cloudkit chance i would imagine there's [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► some chance that you would actually not [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► have noticed as infinite loop bug for a [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► long time [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► it's very possible surely they have like [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► this you know server capacity like the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► surge server capacity to sort of eat [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► that and you know maybe someone would [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► have contacted you or maybe your usage [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► would have been throttled or you would [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► have gone into those weird-ass tricks [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► for their like you have a certain number [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► of amount of data number of requests and [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► if you exceed that like call us or [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► whatever here will call you or you know [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► when you're not when they're not your [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► servers you notice this because you're [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► like whoa my servers are dying but [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► apples probably wouldn't die but things [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► would probably gets lower the payment [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► would be like this sort of general [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► malaise over overcasting you like I [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► wonder what's going on here and I mean [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► have access to probably like any query [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► the table to see what the max version [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► number is all 600 that seems big [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► you know so maybe maybe you're on the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► right system uh after all maybe you your [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► configure this is the best of all [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► possible worlds for you respond to this [TS]

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00:55:25 ◼   ► want to listen to it audible has it you [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► can listen to audiobooks from virtually [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► every genre anytime anywhere on phones [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► tablets computers ipod you still have an [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► ipod even if you happen to have a kindle [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► has a headphone jack a lot of the other [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► models do those can also play audio [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► books from audible audio books are great [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► for flights long road trips even your [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► daily commute and you might think even [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► have time to read books i think that a [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► lot but you'd be surprised how many [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► audio books you can hear each year even [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► if you only listen to and from work [TS]