The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I'm starting to think seasonal allergies [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► are some kind of bullshit like it not [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► that not that they're not real but that [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► I so I have in the last few years gotten [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► really bad seasonal allergies and it [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► seems like every single year it is not [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► only worse but that everybody else is [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► saying oh you know I read her blog [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► this is the worst year ever for pollen [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► or whatever whatever [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► of course this house every year the [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► worst year ever and it this this sounds [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► like something is wrong house every year [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► the hottest year ever i don't know if [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► they're linked together but it could be [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► that it makes for you know a greenhouse [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► effect let's call it might make for [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► easier to have more growing things that [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► produce more pollen I have no idea if [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► that is even the case but it doesn't [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► sound plausible [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► what I see is a problem that used to not [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► exist as much that now is exploding in [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► existence and seems to affect tons of [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► people and the best thing we can do is [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► take medicines that not only don't work [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► but that when they don't work the people [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► who tell you to take them say oh well it [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► doesn't it didn't work this time because [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► you didn't start taking a few weeks [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► beforehand or Oh it'll you're building [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► up a tolerance will start working [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► eventually I mean it's like I feel like [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► I'm spending whatever it is a dollar [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► fifty a day on these pills that do [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► nothing every year it's worse and worse [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► I don't know it so i mean when i was a [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► kid i take allergy shots because I i had [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► allergies and that made them a lot [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► better and I heard adults do allergy [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► shots sometimes for seasonal allergies [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► do any of you have in you and the chat [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► anybody have experience that because i [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► would i would gladly do allergy shots [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► again if it could fix this because every [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► year at least in the spring sometimes [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► also in the fall [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► I'm just useless for like two weeks and [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► with a combination of like sick kids [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► season in the winter preceding this it's [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► just exhausting and it makes it hard to [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► do anything you should try some some [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► Hopi and what is it homeopathic call me [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► up the thick what however you pronounce [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► I want some of those remedies because I [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► they work really well [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► oh I'm already taking them by not taking [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► hey I'm taking the maximum effective [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► dose by not taking them at all haha [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► rightly divide by zero something like [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► that works out right so let's do some [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► follow-up and it starts with we got a [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► lot of feedback about how Walmart is [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► energy-efficient and I don't even recall [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► having talked about that in the prior [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► episode i remember talking about energy [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► efficiency of course but i guess one of [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► us made some sort of flipping comment [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► about it and inhabit out that was me I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► been through one under the bus because [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► they're the the standard-bearer for a [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► terrible giant american company right [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► and so I just assumed that they were [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► also the type of company that would [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► pinch pennies and not bother investing [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► in green energy but that is not the case [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► we will link to a walmart website where [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► they were talking about are the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► renewable plans they plan to be under on [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► hundred percent renewable energy by 2020 [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► so they're not quite where Apple is [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► today but they have plans to get there [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► they have a whole big page on the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► website about sustainability [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I you know I I hesitate to say this [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► because I'm sure we'll just get more [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► email from people telling me the walmart [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► doesn't do anything bad ever [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► well that's not true i only wish that [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► their sustainability that they have this [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► page extended to the sustainability of [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► their workforces and paying them enough [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► to be alive and healthy and not relying [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► on well take if they can't get paying [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► benefits to rest the government pickups [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► back anyway I don't like Walmart have [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you noticed but they are actually doing [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► solar stuff so I was wrong in that [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► there you go walmart boosters that [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► they're out there in Walmart's defense [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► which is a probably afraid you'll never [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► hear me say again but in Walmart's [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► defense if you look at other retailers [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► like Amazon for instance it's often not [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► a lot better it's it's mostly what [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► mostly at fault here is retail is a [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► terrible and extremely cutthroat [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► business and government regulations on [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► things like minimum wage simply don't go [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► far enough okay to emails next topic [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► well now that i wouldn't call it a [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► walmart defense that would just be [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► saying like Walmart does bad things and [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► also other people do too and so [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► they're all so bad it doesn't make them [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► any better to find other people who do [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► the bad thing and we're not going to get [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► into it you know like well if you don't [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► like the minimum wage like well my other [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► my competitors can pay their blood [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► employees this low and we don't we're [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► gonna go out of business anyway [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► yes there maybe there's lots of blame to [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► go around but Walmart is far from [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► blameless but they do put solar panels [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► on the roof things so there's they've [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► got that going for the one thing they do [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► okay we all right so I wanted to tell us [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► about USB ports on the ipad pro because [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► apparently we're all confused about it [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► we are not confused i was just thinking [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► about it the other day it's not what you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► think it's not like oh yeah the USB two [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► speeds on the the 9.7 inch iPad and [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► stuff like that when I was thinking [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► about is you got this relatively huge [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► ipad pro the big one and even the you [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► know the regular-sized iPad has a lot of [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► room on it and at these days the only [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► thing on them and now they removed like [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► the rotation lock and everything is like [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► power volume of course that you know [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► that the home button touch ID sensor but [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► then this one tiny little lightning port [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► on the side and I was like well what's [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the next step for the big ipad pro your [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► keyboards you can attach them it's got a [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► smart connector on the side you know [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► he's got a stylist and i was i was the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► most inspired by Marco talking last week [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► about you could always hook up USB [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► things to iPads and iOS devices and they [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► were just magically work if you could [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► somehow find a way to power them if they [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► if they didn't get enough power from the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► port and stuff like that like that the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► drivers are on there so the big ipad pro [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► why would you not have actual USB ports [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► on it i mean i guess not more than one [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► because you wouldn't want to be more [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► powerful than a quick one right but [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► anyway but what why wouldn't you you [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► know as opposed to having a camera [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► adapter and all this other stuff like [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► you know or or SD card slot over but [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► there's just so much freaking room on [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► the big ipad pro but as far as USB [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► connectors apple is painted itself into [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► kind of a corner with the Lightning [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► thing because the practical reason why [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► you wouldn't put USB connectors on the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► ipad is if you did put them there they [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► be USB type-c and USB type-c looks a [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► hell lot like lightning and I can just [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► imagine people jamming their lighting [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► into the USBC port or vice versa and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that's like a nightmare [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► usability I mean how could you [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► distinguish between those two ports they [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► they are different sizes physically [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► speaking and probably with the big one [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► can fit into the small one but i don't [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► think that's the reason what right but i [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► meant i think it would be a natural [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► evolution of especially the very big [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► ipad pro two have actual USB ports on [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► eventually right but I don't see how [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► that can happen when lightning looks so [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► much like us bc so I wonder how Apple [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► will square that and if the answer is no [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► we're never going to have more than a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► lightning port on that i'm not entirely [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► sure that's the best long-term answer if [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► they really wanted especially the big [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► ipad pro to becoming more and more of a [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► viable laptop replacement ultimately [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► there are so many reasons why you could [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► you could you can conceivably think of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► why Apple would not be putting USB ports [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► on iPads and and iOS devices in general [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► but why wouldn't you put it on the big [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► one long-term like I understand [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► obviously you're not going to put it on [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► like most of the iOS line but when they [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► when you get up into something that's so [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► big that it's it's so obviously not [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► intended to be just a slip into your bag [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► type of thing but it's like it's the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► size of a laptop why does that not get [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► 1i guess you know Thunderbolt 3 port or [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► whatever because there's so much you can [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► do like there's so many doors that [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► opened in terms of how usable it on your [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► desk as opposed to when you're walking [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► around with it but it's almost a shame [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► to be constrained by lightning forever i [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► mean it's it's possible they will at [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► some point you know we never say never [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► with apple and especially with a product [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► line and that is kind of on the way down [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► on Cena sales-wise like Apple has done a [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► lot of things with the recent iPads that [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► we thought they'd never do you know in [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► an effort to to broaden your help help [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► it find its feet or you know help help [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► increase sales in some way or another so [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► i think they very well might do [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► something like that in the future I [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► think there's lots of reasons why they [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► have done so far and i think they can [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► very easily get past the physical [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► challenges of of how do you how do you [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► fit a port and then how do you avoid [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► confusion with the other port I can get [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► around that with you know either by [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► pumping and not solving the problem just [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► putting the USBC port on there which is [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► not that unlikely or just you know [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► shipping dongle or something I mean you [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► know they are you know make a new [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► standard [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► USB Micro see and you declared an [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► industry standard you know nothing about [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► these apple devices will have for three [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► years and you know then that's you know [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► they could solve that problem like that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that is not the reason they're doing it [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► and if they wanted to do it they would [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► get around that problem [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► yeah i would i would like to see how [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► they would get around that because USB [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► type-c seems like I mean because [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► supposedly apple had a lot of influence [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► in that connector it looks a lot like [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► lightning it's a from all accounts a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► pretty good connector as far as those [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► things go [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► having to come up with a new one just [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► because the existing one that but [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► hopefully by that point everybody [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► industry actually use and it really is [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► an industry standard because the Apple [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► didn't make it up [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► I'm just having to come up with one more [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► where connector I don't know it just [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► seems like a shame to meet in it seems [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► like a shame in the same way that it has [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► always been a shame and continues to be [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► a shame that Microsoft chose the same [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► modifier key as unix meaning that you [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► want to unity stuff on windows it's a [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► battle between the unix environment and [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► the windows environment like you know [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► ctrl-c does that mean you know send the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► interrupt signal or copy text and you [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► know depends on where you are as Apple [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► through mostly accidents of history [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► happened to not have that problem [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► because the mac operating system uses [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the command key and too much much lesser [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► extent the control key so the control [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► he's almost entirely available the unix [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► environment so when they did the [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► chocolate peanut butter combination that [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► is or was Mac OS 10 hours os10 it was [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► beautiful you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the conflict and I feel like Apple is on [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► the windows control key for the OS side [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► of the equation with its lighting ports [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► basically making it a little bit extra [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► bit of a pain in the butt you know they [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► have now they have a problem to solve [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► whereas these devices that are just USBC [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► from top to bottom won't have that [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► problem to solve their only problem will [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► be like how many of these USBC port so [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► we put on our cool new laptop [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► replacement tablet thing I forget that [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► the surface has USBC port on it but [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► anyway if they wanted to it seems like I [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► think they could do much more easily [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► than apple and it's one of those [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► problems where it's like well couldn't [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► windows have changed that but they added [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the windows key that could have changed [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► their modifier but it just has so much [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► inertia and it would annoy so many [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► people that windows continues to learn [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► along with the control keeping the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► modifier for everything [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► well don't worry and windows will never [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► have any kind of unix support [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► did you have that open to hang out I [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► know it's I don't think I mean [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► that'sthat's unix never-changing taking [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the control away from them and it in the [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► grand scheme of things that small issue [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► but it's one of those things that makes [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► me happy about my combination of [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► mackineeks every time I deal with it and [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► looking at the ipad and lightning port [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► and the USBC port shape that makes me [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► for my brow bit so I mean at this is not [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► on a topic list which is why I'm going [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► to derail us and talking about it why do [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► you think they haven't put a lot of put [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► a USB port on ipad so far and and and [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► what do you think they could do that i [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► mean i think the former is easy to [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► explain like why have done so far I [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► think that the big things are that it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► seemed like the past they want to move [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► forward from that and didn't want to [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► build support for these devices and deal [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► with all the all the technical and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► software complexity of that and also [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► they kinda like things to be all include [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► we all kind of enclosed for instance one [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► of the things that you would want the [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► USB port for be additional storage and [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► they are don't want to do that they [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► wanted to buy from them so i think [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► there's lots of reasons why they haven't [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► done it before [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► what do you think could motivate them to [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► to add USB like ports for kind of [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► general use on the ipad pro I've seen [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► people use the little camera connection [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► kit that has a USB port on it and the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► only time I think I've ever seen it was [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► you doing live broadcasts when were in [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► San Francisco 4wd see I know that Jason [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► smell is you know play around with it as [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► have others but i cannot think of anyone [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► other than you Marco that I've ever seen [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► use the USB to lightning or in the past [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► USB dock connectors so I just don't feel [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► like there's much of a market for like I [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► can't think of anything that I would [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► want to plug into my ipad other than [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► maybe the memory card from my camera or [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the camera itself [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► hence the connection the dongle being [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► called the camera connector I just don't [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► see why one would want this [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► well it's a kind of as with all these [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► things in a race with the we talked [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► about this many shows ago it's in a race [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► with the wire [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► this technology's right so there's lots [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► of wireless standards out there for [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► everything from wireless display to [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► wireless power to all you know obviously [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► we have wireless networking and that is [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► but become pervasive so it really kind [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► of is a race between the eventual need [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► to do some of the things that USB does [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► on on tablet devices and how long it [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► takes for all those wireless standards [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► to become to reach their wife I'm gonna [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► wear for a moment where they finally [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► become good enough for general use and [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► just spread everywhere because but no [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► one loves wires like if you could have I [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► love lawyers wireless display and you [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► know why are the storage and wireless [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► power so you just come to us with your [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► laptop and put it down in your big [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► screen for any returns on like of course [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► who wouldn't want that right i mean [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► especially things like monitors that you [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► plug into the wall and like you have to [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► recharge the batteries in your monitor [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► the monitor but still be plugged into [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► just didn't have to deal with anybody [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► we're not there yet obviously with those [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► but so setting that aside and the fact [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► that could swamp all this the reason you [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► eventually want something like us beyond [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► the big ipad or whatever is in the same [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► reason they added a stylist right or [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► they made the big version that they're [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► they're extending these the capabilities [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► of the device you know and you're [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► multitasking with a split screen that [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► they want people to be able to do things [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► with these devices that they couldn't do [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► with the simpler ones and it's because [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► they're becoming more powerful they're [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► becoming the out that there was someone [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► posted recently i think it was a joke [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► between something about like look at all [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► of the CPUs that have ever been and i [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► think it was microsoft surface or I [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► forget what it was some other you know [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► slim sort of people something that [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► people accept a laptop replacement look [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► at how many of them are slower than the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► ipad pro write it if if the top end of [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► technology in terms of computing power [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► is not growing as it used to and we will [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► talk about in tech not tick tock stuff [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► later in the show i eventually these [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► things that are historically lesser [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► devices laptops and eventually tablets [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► and eventually supposedly phones will [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► slowly creep up and start closing the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► gap and you will be left with the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► situation where a big ipad pro can have [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► all the power [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► maybe they just don't think the mac pro [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► anymore eventually a big ipad pro will [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► have all the power of the current mac [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► pro because i'll never forget updated [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► machine and if you have if you have a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► small you know it's against the the [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► price and size the computer starts [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► dropping 20 then you will want to have a [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► little thing like that you carry around [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► with you and your bag that you check on [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► your desk in that when you do so you can [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► connect to all the peripherals that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► you'd want in a big desk environment you [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► can have multiple monitors hooked up you [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► can have larger storage you could have [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► wired networking for faster transfers [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► you could have all sorts of other [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► peripherals and the question is do you [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► need to plug them in our they're all [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► wireless so this point with today's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► technology a lot of them you need to [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► plug-in so that's why I'm saying like a [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► thunderbolt three poor like we keep [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► saying USB but you know you hook it up [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► and you have to external monitors maybe [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► you hook it up and you have a big giant [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► touchscreen it's like 27 inches that's [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► you know like laid out on your table [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► instead of being in front of you or [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► whatever so you could do more [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► complicated stuff it's like why why [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► wouldn't have a desktop computer to that [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► how can an ipad drive something drive [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► peripherals that powerful eventually it [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► will be able to again especially at the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► top and it continues to grow more slowly [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► than the bottom so i feel like the [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► functionality currently enabled by [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► Thunderbolt port or USB 3 port [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► inevitably will come to tablet class [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► devices assuming tablet devices still [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► existed not like they are devices or [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► the only question is when that comes to [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► pass will we need to use the USB [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► connector to do it or we'll all be [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► Wireless will be some other standard so [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► here's here's an interesting thought [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► experiment we've had wireless things in [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► general wireless protocols wireless [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► networking wireless you know device [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► interconnection standards things like [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► Bluetooth Wi-Fi we've had these things [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► now for a long time and technology terms [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► in over 10 years we've had these things [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► not only have they been you know [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► possible but they've been like [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► ubiquitous for over 10 years and and [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► very widely supported and really quite [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► mature for what they are and yet if you [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► look at the devices we use with the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► exception of things that are fully [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► integrated like iPads but you know if [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► you look like a laptop or desktop [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► computer things that do connect to other [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► peripherals or other pieces of hardware [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► like monitors and stuff [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► almost all of that is still using wires [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► that was using wires 10 years ago like [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it seems like as the wireless things [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► have gotten better [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► so have the wired versions of the [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► various connection protocols and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► everything and everyone still using [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► wires for lots of good reasons like I [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► love wires because they simply work [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► better most of the time like they're [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they're usually more reliable they're [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► often faster they can go in places where [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► wireless kind of can't like hi [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► interference environments or you know [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► certain restricted areas like planes or [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► no incident wireless stuff they have [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► advantage of things like power delivery [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► and battery usage and everything else so [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► wires are kind of yeah I think they're [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► here to stay like everyone always [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► assumes that in the future everything [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► will be Wireless you know as you like [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► you can interfacing with your monitor [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► interfacing with this stuff on your desk [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► but maybe that's not true maybe that's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► not a safe assumption because I think [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► we've had long enough now with wireless [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► interconnexion things that have been [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► possible and yet we're still using wires [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► for these things because they just work [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► better but no one uses wires for not [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► working anymore they take the ethernet [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► ports right off the devices like as soon [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► as Wi-Fi was good enough not good [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► because we always know it's flaky it [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► slower like we all know the limitations [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► of Wi-Fi it's you get interference in [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► microwave oven and you have interference [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► from your portable phones and your thing [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► and then you can't get on the network [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► and you know you keep dropping like [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Wi-Fi has problems but as soon as they [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► got good enough people like will screw [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► these things because no one wants to [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► walk from place to place a run wires [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► through their house or plug things in or [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► whatever i do all those things but [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► something is just not possible like you [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► know having having the you know wireless [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► display technology so you don't you know [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► all the sorts of all those are laptop [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► docks that you see in offices in the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► many different incarnations they come in [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► and then no I don't want a doctor's 11 [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► cable to plug in or whatever it is it's [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► not that bad to plug something in but if [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► you told those people in the same way [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► that we told them hey every time you sit [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► down you guess you'll have to plug the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► ethernet cable in and out anymore [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► doesn't seem like a baby like who cares [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► i plug in one cable it's fine it's [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► really convenient it's so you know it [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► works every time it's not a big deal but [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► Wi-Fi just wiped all that stuff off the [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► face of the earth there is no equivalent [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► to Wi-Fi would say bluetooth isn't even [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► equal to Wi-Fi because I think bluetooth [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► is still not passed the level of non [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► flakiness for anything except for [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► devices that never [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► removing output keyboards and mice i [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► think people apart more or less except [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► bluetooth but then there's the annoyance [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► of the battery charging that wasn't [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► there with wire so it has a downside to [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► feel like bluetooth is borderline but no [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► other wireless technology for anything [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► else like storage or monitors or [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► anything like that is as you know is [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► remotely up to the the the net win that [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► Wi-Fi was but it doesn't mean that they [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► never will be and you just read any [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► sci-fi book like technologically [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► speaking there's no reason you couldn't [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► have really sophisticated high-speed [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► ubiquitous short-range high-bandwidth [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► Wi-Fi even the power delivery stuff so [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► you're saying on a very long time scale [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► happened i don't have to be that long i [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► mean you know people who use wireless [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► charging for their phones [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► it does that really exists I mean like [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► yeah like those stupid little pads yeah [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► i mean obviously the it you can buy them [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► for Apple devices to but most people use [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► i would imagine using for some kind of [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► android device it that is not a third [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► party thing but it comes with the thing [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► but I I don't know people who choose to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► do that like that no one's forcing them [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► to use that they find it convenient that [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► when they come home they put all their [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► devices on a big pad or they put in a [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► little cradle and it's like what you're [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► putting in a cradle if there was a [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► little plug at the bottom of the crater [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► wouldn't would make a big difference if [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you plug it in and fuck their choosing [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► and there you know this is not always [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► the biggest technology there's it's just [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► more convenient to have to deal with the [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► plug i just put on this thing and the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► charges [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► it's not great it's slower it's not good [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► enough for everybody yet but the fact [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that anybody chooses to do it its [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► currents add unsupported state shows [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that there is a desire for it's like I [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► feel like the the convenience hooks of [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► all those wireless things are impossible [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► to resist as soon as they pass the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► minimum you know sort of reliability [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► threshold and and Wi-Fi is the best [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► example and I think the only one that [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► has passed in bluetooth is is on the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► border everything else it's like are [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► able to keep revising the protocols and [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► a few early adopters will try it and [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► then you know revise revise your eyes [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► will know when it crosses the threshold [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► because Apple have it all over the place [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► because apple doesn't want any ports any [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► of his devices they don't want rotation [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► lock switch for crying out loud that [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► still drives me nuts [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► there was no room inside the device it [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► couldn't be a millimeter bigger sorry [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► Casey we had that empty space for the [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► four speakers they need every millimeter [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► that empty space it's impossible to make [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the device [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► did you guys have a mute switch bump I [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► mean that if they have a camera bump to [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► accommodate that Y component should have [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► a mute switch bump on the other side [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► think that it could be even [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► mute switch is a bump like that's what [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► makes it a switch it out and you can [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► slide it back and forth don't get it [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► they'll make it a touch ID button you [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► have to use your fingerprint him you and [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► you work with your hands what ya get you [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► know the one hand trick though right [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► what no you so that the problem touch ID [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► sensor is that people found as soon as [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► they introduced is they work fine but [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► then you go do the dishes and you try to [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► unlock your phone doesn't work and [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► you're annoyed and eventually your hands [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► dry it works again all you gotta do is [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► what your hands a lot and then train it [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► on your wet finger you can label it as [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you know wet right and then you have [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► your you will train it on your dry right [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► thumb and your training on your wet [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► right thumb and both work life hack [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► well that was always my so there-there [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► was that there was that like court case [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► whatever where somebody at some point [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► ruled that that the police can't ask you [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► for your passcode but they can force you [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► to use your fingerprint to unlock your [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► phone so my my contingency plan in case [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► I forget questioned by the police and [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► they forced me to access my phone suck [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► your thumb what it would be like my [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► finger for a second and then make touch [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► ID fail three times so then it would [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► require the passcode and then I wouldn't [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► have to let them in just in case you're [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► still water on your phone and then we'll [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► be together before the the waterproof [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► iphone 7 comes out [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► yeah I think I think honestly think it's [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► already too late as the success is [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► already almost waterproof right isn't it [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► like fairly waterproof I think it's only [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► want to provide YouTube the magic realm [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► of YouTube you can put it in a glass of [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► water and it's fine if you do it at home [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► and instantly dies [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► I don't even know where to go from here [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► we can follow up we like three topics [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► deep I don't even know what's happening [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► the show we got one item of follow-up [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► left [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Oh God when you're in charge Marco [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► everything everything takes term is [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► never in charge now this is a life [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► lesson [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► exactly I'm not in charge i just kind of [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► took charge because that's how life [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► you need an agent of chaos as they say [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► something like that no one ever granted [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► Authority you have to take it now i'm [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► taking authority and saying let's get [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► through this one damn last piece of [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► follow-ups we can tackle topics our [TS]

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00:26:18 ◼   ► sponsoring our show this week alright [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► John your crowning moment has come [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► tell us about what's going on with your [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► has it come we'll say no more than a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► year ago because we revisited on the [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► one-year anniversary more than a year [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► ago I banish my playstation 4 from my [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► beautiful plasma television because [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► mostly what i was doing with my [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► playstation 4 was playing destiny and [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► destiny had a heads-up display that's [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► on-screen the entire time you're playing [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► that is a hundred percent opacity and [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► doesn't move and doesn't change that [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► much and it was burning in my [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► disciplinary visited a year later to see [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► if the retention had faded and had faded [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to be almost entirely invisible to be [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► replaced with the cartoon network logo [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► which was also banished from my [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► television anyway so when I banish my [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► ps4 I got a gaming wonder I brought into [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► another room and that's how i've been [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► playing destiny still the main thing i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► do with my ps4 since then for more than [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► a year now of course when I pulled my [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► ps4 from the TV did destiny was new to [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► me it wasn't new but I got around the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► time of the first expansion first [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► yeah i think the first expansion little [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► bit after and I you know complaint on [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the the bungee forms the bungees the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► maker of the game i say it would be nice [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► if you had an option to make the HUD [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► translucent and/or damn it or you know [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► do some other things that would help [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► with burning and is it was a big thread [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► in their forms mostly consisted of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► people who don't own plasma televisions [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► telling everyone who does that they [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► shouldn't anymore because they're bad [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and that's why the sugar LED televisions [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► helpful internet people it's just a [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► bunch of you know kids like they don't [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► they don't understand why anyone would [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► want a plasma television that the only [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► thing they care about is like my LCD [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► television or they always called the LED [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► television is is great and finding each [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► other like kids kids calm down like stop [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► fighting about TV you have like we need [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► to concentrate on bungie and say bungee [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► this seems like an easy feature for you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► to add like translucency seems like it's [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► within your grasp graphically speaking [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► on the playstation 4 to make the head [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► translucent or make it smaller or you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► know many games do this they give you [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► options to tweak your HUD are not [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► necessarily for burning reasons for [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► customization reasons but it helps with [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► burning as well [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► well you know there isn't there is a [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► second option here that they could have [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► done you know just never let you stop [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► playing destiny because then it doesn't [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► matter if it's burned into your TV it's [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► always showing anyway if you could [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► always play destiny if you never use [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► your TV for anything else still matters [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► you would think it doesn't matter but it [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► does anyway you gotta stop sometime and [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► definitely the only thing i did my [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► television anyway so the gaming monitor [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► i got is obviously does not look as good [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► as my television the black levels are [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► atrocious the response time is better [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► but anyway so that's how I'm playing [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► destiny for a year and the big threat in [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the bungee forms bungee like has not [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► really said anything official about the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► topic of like other than acknowledging [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► we have heard you about this request I [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► and you know that they haven't said that [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► in promising very very apple-like in [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► terms of very acknowledgement that the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► issue has been received but no promises [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► that it will ever be addressed let alone [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► what time so i imagine my surprise when [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► here i am more than a year later bungee [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► was previewing some of the content [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► they're gonna have in the April update [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► destiny and one of the first things they [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► showed was the ability to turn off the [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► HUD that was mostly the features they [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► were touting because people who you do [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► movies within the the game or take [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► screenshots you know you don't want to [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► have the HUD they're sort of you know [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► making it less cinematic and make it [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► look more like a game so you can drop [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► the head for like nicer screenshots and [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► movies and stuff but there's also two [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► other options of you know full opacity [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► high and lower maybe there was a medium [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► level didn't really get to see what [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► those look like in the game but they [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► were their settings wise so there will [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► be options to turn down the hut I don't [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► know if the low setting is low enough to [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► prevent image retention that's not my [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► problem my first problem is that i spent [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► a year playing destiny connected to a [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► gaming monitor and I'm kind of used to [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► it in terms of if I was to go back on [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the television i would feel like I'm [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► really far away from the screen even [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► though you know you can do the math that [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► my television screens much bigger but [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the distance wise i wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► see as much detail [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► I'm used to being closer to the screen [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► close enough to like see the pixels [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► because not a Retina Display it's just [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► you know a 1080 HD display just like my [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► television but i'm sitting like two feet [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► from it instead of eight feet away and [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► the other thing is when I mentioned [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► potentially bring the playstation 4 back [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► in my wife I said said that she was not [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► for this idea because that will just [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► lead to more fighting between my son who [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► wants to play star wars battlefront and [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► my daughter wants to watch television [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► shows so it's better when they can be in [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► separate rooms [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► during the thing they want to do without [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► fighting over the big TV so it seems to [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► me that despite my dreams coming true [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► here potentially the dimming might not [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► be sufficient to prevent burning and the [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► other thing is and the two issues are [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► I'm kind of used to it i'm sitting two [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► feet from my monitor I'm kinda used to [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► playing that way at this point and for [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the the harmony of the family [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► it may be better to keep my playstation [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► 4 in here now if they come with the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► PlayStation 4.5 as the rumors are that a [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► slightly more powerful playstation 4 [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► with that more power potentially being [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► helpful to the PlayStation VR which I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► may eventually by i would buy a [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► playstation 4.5 and connected to the TV [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► so we have to play stations and my son [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► and I can play definitely the same time [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► finally and my wife and i like that even [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► less but i would kind of have a [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► quote-unquote excuse well it's not i'm [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► not getting a second playstation this is [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the better playstation and where else am [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► I gonna put it I don't have a room from [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► the game honor it's got to be connected [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► TV so this is a complicated situation [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► but if somebody who bought a ps4 only a [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► few months ago that really annoys made [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that rumor [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► well it's only it's only rumor now and [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► the extra power like probably wouldn't [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► be a big deal because you probably just [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► before be four vr which will probably [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► buy anyway honest you know like aren't [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► you going to buy playstation vr typical [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► make you buy it i would like to see it i [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► mean i i'm not sure i will buy it but I [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► think it's at least somewhat likely just [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► because I I I don't plan to build a [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► giant gaming pc to try the oculus right [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► so it is that this is kind of like the [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► the alternative to that for more casual [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► people like me so I think that's I will [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► i would like to see it [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► yeah it's cheap enough they're like you [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► know what fine ever i'm going to give it [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► a try this is giving an honest shot you [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► know you're not gonna be like oh it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► would be better if I had a better [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► playstation know it'll be you know it [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► will be what it is the experience will [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► be consistent you can try it out and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► find out if it's terrible or not so [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► that's that's been my plan as well but i [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► would like a playstation 4.5 anyway they [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► propped it looks interesting [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► 121 infusion I know I knew I shouldn't [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► have it used that a heroine anguish [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► addressed and that i had 320 drop that [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► was just saving and saving it like just [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► yesterday I was like you know what I [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► should just infuse that into my three on [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► my mind why the hell not i know i'm [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► going to lose a lot of points but pretty [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► soon 333 35 stuff is gonna be dropping [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► anyways there's no point in saving 320 [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► thank god i saved it [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► 121 few [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► coming in april this ends the gibberish [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► portion of the episode yet Casey is John [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► ok I don't know who you think should we [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► call somebody a hand on heart I'm not [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► trying to be funny I really thought that [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► I just spaced out in the conversation [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► when a totally different direction i was [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► trying feverishly to catch up and figure [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► out what the crap jobs just saying and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► then o.o is just talking destiny get [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► nevermind i owe next next we'll have [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► Marco tell us about watch terminology i [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► can't even I can't even write those that [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► are we good with follow-up any other [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► follow-up gentlemen [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► well done excellent alright so i don't [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► recall exactly when this happened i [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► think is a little over a week ago but [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► last episode we were busy talking about [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► the apple event sweetie and didn't get a [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► chance to talk about it some things [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► happened in the nodejs world last week [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► some interesting things we have a link [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► in the show notes to Heaney codes dotnet [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► which is sharing my experiences as a [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► programmer in c-sharp net and [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► engineering manager and this person [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► whose name I don't know whether than any [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► anyway uh they wrote a very quick [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► article about or a reasonably quick [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► article about what happened on NPM and [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► and I'm gonna take a stab as the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► summarizer in chief and you guys can [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► interrupt when you're ready [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► there was a person who had put up a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► package called qik k ik and the what is [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► it a chat app or something like that the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► people who run that got in touch with [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► him and were upset that he was you he [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► had a package that I don't think it were [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► in any way related to kick the app how [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► to package that just have the same name [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► and so they told him he should take down [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► he said no and then I guess they went to [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► NPM which is the package manager node [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► package manager that that that you use [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► with node and they got em p.m. to take [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► it down and he then this this gentleman [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► decided to rage quit npm and remove all [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► this packages so far this is a kind of [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► amusing but unremarkable story except [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► that one of the packages that he removed [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► was a package that was called left pad [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► was it like 12 line string function [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► yes you are right it is called left pad [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► it is a 12 line or 11 line [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► function that just pads a string on the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► left-hand side and apparently a lot of [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► very popular packages took this as a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► dependency so in other words you know [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► when you're writing code in in the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► modern times you usually have a package [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► manager something like cocoa pods or new [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► get or npm or what is pearl use [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► something ancient something ancient yeah [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► everything in pearls ancient something [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► with actual tests that run against the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► code so you can tell I couldn't resist [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► but that's Sipan right or something like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► you got it okay so-so out most modern [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► development platforms and pearl have a [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► package manager here and npm is 144 this [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► and when you have this package manager [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► makes it very easy to import somebody [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► else's code so apparently what all of [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► these packages did including some very [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► very very popular ones they imported [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► this left package in this entire package [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► was eleven lines of code when this [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► package disappeared that meant that [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► anyone who had already downloaded it was [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► was ok but if you try to say code on a [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► new machine or in many cases redeploy [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► then this package was gone and all of a [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► sudden everything broke and because so [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► many popular packages took this as it as [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► a sub dependency if you will like half [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► of the note ecosystem broke and this was [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► really chapping a lot of people's butts [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► because a lot of the really smug [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► developers most of them pretty much all [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► from your right said why would you take [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► an 11 line dependency why not just write [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► those 11 lines yourself or just or just [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► put them somewhere in your project [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► somewhere in your control and there's a [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► big kerfuffle about it and I as someone [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► who has written a node app which is my [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► blog and i just recently reran clock [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► which is count lines of code on my blog [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► and I put up a short blog post about it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► which will put the show notes the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► entirety of my blog engine in terms of [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► the things that i have written is 850 [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► lines of code then I did a count lines [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► of code my note packages for node [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► modules folder and that was a hundred [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and eighty thousand lines of code [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► cool i'm not really one to throw stones [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► on this issue but nevertheless I don't [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► think it's really useful to poop all [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► over package managers and the idea of [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► taking dependencies just carpet lunch [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► it's a bad idea i don't think that's [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► necessarily true i do think however that [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► taking 11 line dependency is a bit [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► ridiculous so Marco as chief curmudgeon [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► when it comes to these sorts of things [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► what are your thoughts first of all I [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► think Jon might be even more commercial [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► than me on the head but your bike around [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► i'm at least better known for for [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► avoiding dependencies like this and the [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► reason why i avoid dependencies as much [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► as I can is not because I've always been [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► like this it's because of experiences [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► that I had mostly during the early days [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► of tumblr lots of things that we used in [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► the early days broke lots of third-party [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► components lots of application layer [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► stuff you know infrastructure components [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► that were not very widely used were very [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► young or were not designed to be used at [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► big scales but most of the most of the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► problems we had were third-party PHP [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► modules no third-party PHP code written [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► by other people that we imported so we [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► wouldn't have to write our own functions [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► for things like s3 or image resizing [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► stuff like that we had so many problems [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► with this code especially the freaking [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► zend framework I don't know if it's good [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► now but it sure wasn't then we had we [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► had so many problems with like almost [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► every third party library that we used [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► that we eventually just said you know [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► we're just going to not use any anymore [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► because it every time we would use one [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► literally not just sometimes literally [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► the majority of the time [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► six months later we would be ripping it [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► out and replacing it with either another [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► third-party one that breaks much after [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► that or finally be right around because [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► they were they just were of low quality [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► and we're not designed for you know [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► high-needs environment or not designed [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► for edge cases or whatever else because [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► a lot of third-party code out there you [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► know there's there's this myth that that [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► open source stuff will be really well [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► tested and and we'll kind of you like [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► battle-hardened and you can rely on more [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► than stuff you write yourself but that's [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► only true [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► sometimes it's only true for some things [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► that's and that's how true that is is [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► kind of a function of how popular that [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► code is so if you're using something [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► that is in use by everybody from [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► facebook down to cases blog engine [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► chances are that's been well tested and [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► the bugs have been found in the edge [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► cases have been hit and you're not gonna [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► be the biggest person using it and [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► you're not going to hit many problems [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► but it when you're just pulling in [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► third-party code from a lot of things [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► it's often hard to tell whether what [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► you're pulling in is of that level of [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► quality or not and when you're it when [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you're in a young language or a module [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► for doing something that most people [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► don't need to do kind of like an itch [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► module I don't have transmitted by the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► way I don't know it's a nice niche I [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► forget it but I every time i say that i [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► worry about that i'm the same way i'm [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► right there with good okay so we'll just [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► agree that we're pronouncing it badly [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► anyway so that the let the fewer and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► fewer people use the thing you're [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► working on a few big people use it the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► less reliable it inherently is simply by [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► being open source or third party or [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► whatever so I just learned over time [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► that I was better off writing stuff [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► myself and avoiding dependencies even [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► when they work well they can cause [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► issues like when the version of [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► something changes and it breaks other [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► things and package managers can solve [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► problems like that most of the time but [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► I've never seen a single one that solve [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► them all of the time in anything linux [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► languages and I mean like you're at it [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► when you add dependencies like this [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► willy-nilly you're really just adding [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► work and risk and the idea that like you [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► won't be able to deploy your site on to [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► new servers because the original host of [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► this 11 line function took it down like [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that's crazy lee there are so many [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► problems with that sound just crazy to [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► me like why are you not in control of [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► that I don't know it as somebody who was [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► run large scale services before every [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► dependency like that just to me is a [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► huge liability and occasionally it is [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► worth using third-party code but i think [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► it's a lot less often than what people [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► seem to be doing these days [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► well everybody builds on top of [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► something I mean it's not like you're [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► saying oh I was using the compiler [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► they came with my system but eventually [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► learned how to write my own compiler you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► know i was using the OS the chip with my [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► service but eventually I learned that [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's wasteful to try to rely on linux [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► you never know what the hell they're [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► going to do and they can break your crab [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► so it's better to write your own OS like [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► we all right we all go on top of [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► something it's all just a question of [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► where you draw that line and why so [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► there's sort of for most of our lives [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► been the idea that like no ones you're [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► not going to write your own OS and your [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► own compiler and maybe you're not even [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► your own web server but if you're [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► writing web applications at a certain [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► point around the web server code [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► boundary then it's like now it's kind of [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► more programs do you use an application [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► framework we write your own framework it [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► was a type of thing where you can write [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► your own web framework like it's not you [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► know that's how all the ones we have got [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► here like it doesn't take a 719 do it [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► one person can do it [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► yeah I did you use one of the popular if [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► you use one of the popular third-party [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► one's chances and you happen to be and [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► marcos unfortunate / fortunate situation [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► of you end up being you know it maybe [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► perhaps unexpectedly one of the biggest [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► users of everything you do because you [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► are tremendous all of a sudden you know [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► the compound growth or whatever and let [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► me point out to tumblr was not that [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► tremendous we started having these [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► problems you know we probably had maybe [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► a hundred thousand users when all this [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► started breaking it wasn't that big of a [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► service like relative to what you [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► consider like a scaled or scalable web [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► service it was nothing [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► well I mean yeah sometimes when people [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► hit start going to facebook is a great [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► example they were using a similar [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► technology stack and their solution was [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► throw people and money at the problem to [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► the point where they were compiling see [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that PHP and to c++ and crazy stuff like [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► that that's another possible approach [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► you know like and I don't know if they [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► decided to write everything themselves [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► they got down and we're going to rewrite [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the language ourselves and what is that [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► hip-hop their replacement thing or [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► whatever but those are those I feel like [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► your extremes i think for the most part [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► most companies that are doing web [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► development i don't know if i'm gonna [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► say for the most part maybe it's 5050 [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► are using in-house web frameworks it in [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► the modern error though there are so [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► many popular web frameworks that work [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► for so many needs that it's accepted [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► that you're going to build on top of [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► them i think we're there to places with [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► us this silly javascript and only three [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► places silly javascript stuff fell down [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► one is an area that I'm familiar with [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► because javascript is a crap language [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► that is missing really important things [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that people want right and pearl started [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► out as a crap language that was missing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► many important things that people wanted [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► and still do today is missing some [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► things that people want which means that [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► to sort of to sort of round out your [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► language ruby has a little bit of degree [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► 2 because they they considered an asset [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► to sort of round out your language and [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► make it a habitable you know to make it [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► comfortable [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► there's a minimal amount of sort of [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► furniture you need to buy for the house [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► before you can move in and it's not part [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► of the language that's it you know done [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► in libraries right so javascript is [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► definitely in that situation which is [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► why there's all these things like you [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► know CoffeeScript and and type script [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► and other things that are like try to [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► make JavaScript feel nicer those are [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► libraries but the same idea that that no [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► one wants to just use drop script by [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► itself because even basic things like [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► say left padding a string are not in the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► language or the standard library or [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► standard library is defined as what you [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► can run your browser right so someone's [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► got to write this stupid 11 line [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► function right not in PHP they don't [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► there are you know I know I like the is [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► array packages talking about like this [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► the common test and people want to do [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► that's not in the language that it's [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► easy to write but it's also easy to get [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► wrong it's just kind of like a basic [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► thing right so you want to do that PHP [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► yeah just JavaScript not nor pearl by [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► the way javascript is in that position [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and so that's why these things exist the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► second problem is the JavaScript [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► community not sort of having their act [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► together enough to realize all right so [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► we have this language that has these [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► gaps the best way to fill them is not [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► with 10 billion individual dependencies [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► each of which has one of those function [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► like as a community they should have you [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► know sort of come together and settled [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► on some much larger libraries are like [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and round out the JavaScript language [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► for me live one point out right and [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► maybe the seven competing ones of those [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► but in that is much better than under [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► left pad i'm going to do sane regular [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► expression matching i know i'm going to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► do take inheritance in a prototype based [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► language and you know everyone sort of [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► just doing the little tiny thing and and [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► having a million of those combined and I [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► think the third failure for all the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► people who got hit by this bug is people [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► who grew up in an environment [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► where the expectation is that you can [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► run your deploy at and part of the [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► deployment or updating a singer whatever [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► automated procedure they have that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► they're all happy with their not [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► thinking about the fact that it is [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► connected to third-party service to do [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that right if you're just slightly older [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► if you're like you know maybe 10 or 20 [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► years older than the people who are [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► running to these problems you would have [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► grown up in a culture like I did where [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► you know you're building on top of pearl [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► their gaps and pearl and you need to [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► libraries there's web frameworks maybe [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► writing your own you but certainly [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► you're building on top of some real [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► basics like DVI lwp or whatever help you [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► know the sort of core foundational [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► things that most people use Pro wanna do [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► but if you're in a big important company [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► you don't go out to cpanel to get these [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► packages right you have your own [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► internal Sipan mirror at your company [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► checked into version control so you know [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► exactly what the hell you're getting and [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► nothing anybody can do on the internet [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► it's gonna change what you deploy like [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► the only nothing is going to break your [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► stuff based on what's on the internet [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► and you maintain that mirror and you [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► sink upstream and downstream and you [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► like you control your own destiny [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it's tons of third-party software like a [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► cpn mirror especially back in the old [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► days was pretty darn big and it's like [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► why do we have to have our own Sipan [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► mirror-like because you don't want to [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► rely on stop on the internet when I mean [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► sick for security reasons alone like so [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that the idea that pulling something [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► from repository break people's [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► production systems those production [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► systems were pre-broken not by the fact [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► they were just by the fact they're [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► relying on third-party code not just by [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the fact that they're at their third [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► party dependencies are broken down into [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► microscopic individual functions with [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► ridiculous names but because they [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► weren't they weren't masters of their [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► own destiny matter what you choose to do [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► in terms of dependencies and you decide [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► based on market was talking about you [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► know is it reliable is it suitable for [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► my purpose and I better off doing it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► is it a core competency but like all [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► these sorts of decisions eventually [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► you're going to do everything you're [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► going to do some things with third-party [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► code whether it's your wet RS your [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► compiler or whatever but especially if [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► its package management you have to have [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► that stuff in-house and these days it is [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► nothing to have a complete mirror of [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► some public repository in your you know [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► that it or just the individual packages [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you want to check them into your version [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► control you don't need the whole freakin [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► repository the repository don't need to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► be involved in your [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► golden deployment process just get the [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► code that you need and then that code [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► will never change out from under you if [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► it suited your purposes will continue to [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► be suitable until you decide that it's [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► not right [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► in summary whippersnappers well I don't [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► even know where to go from here [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► all I will say is that it's interesting [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► that you that you bring up like [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► deployment because one of the things [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► that I was thinking about when this was [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► all going down [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► was that when i deploy camel to heroku [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► what I'm deploying it's just my code [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► including my my list of dependencies and [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► just like you said John heroku is then [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► going out 10pm and fetching all of these [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► packages on my behalf so this very well [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► could have bitten me if myself or one of [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► the packages I depend on was dependent [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► on the one that got pulled so this is [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► this is exactly something that I could [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► have run into because of the way I [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► choose to host my site and I choose to [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► host onto on heroku for a variety of [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► reasons but mostly like you said about [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► core competencies I don't have the time [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► interest or desire to be a linux server [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► admin and so I choose for better or [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► worse to have a platform as a service [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and that's what I like and I and worse [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► with fine but that's what i like and [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► that's what and that's what works for me [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that's how i've chosen to do it and yes [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► there are ways around this even with [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► heroku but but my point is even an [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► innocent bystander like myself I am I am [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► potentially guilty of doing the same [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► thing that's weird to me that like that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you know i don't really matter [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► practically speaking that you're pulling [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► from the internet as you deployed [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► wouldn't I don't understand why that [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► needs to be I dynamic part of the [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► process like that that's that I feel [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► like that should be pulled down like the [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► same way you pull some cocoa pods and [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► out part of your application every time [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► you compile it doesn't redownloaded from [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► cocoa pods and silently updated to a [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► different version or get it like or just [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► you never actually have it and like I [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► know it's like more dynamic and just [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► like oh all this interconnected web and [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► network connectors never go down and I [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► can trust what's on the other side of [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the network [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► but I I don't understand how you can [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► trust that honestly I mean I don't even [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► know this is maybe this is another weird [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► CP anything but like what kind of [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► security is therefore if you're [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► dynamically pulling every time you [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► deploy you're just trusting you don't [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► even know what the hell [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► npm repositories Hiroko is using and how [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► they might be poisoned with what I don't [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► get this matter of personal side is not [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► does not add specific issues just the [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► culture of the same culture that gives [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► you websites that n dot IO to implore [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► you to you know run curl and pipe it [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► through back you know man I'm exact kind [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► of culture it's kind of like a return to [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► return to the really old days when when [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► I was first starting unix-like it I've [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► told the story before it bu all TTYL [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► world writable right that's how naive [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► way they were like that was telling that [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► there was no ssh your passwords are [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► flying in plain text every time you tell [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► méditerranée p anywhere all TTYL world [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► writable it was like that the free love [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► sixties right and that era came to an [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► end but then you know fast-forward 20 or [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► 30 years and people are are pulling from [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► an unknown website and piping to their [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► shell sometimes they have pseudo in [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► there any like someone just put in the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► chat room sometimes they'll be like [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► seriously I'm gonna pull from a website [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► and pipe pseudo SH I don't know some [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► it's a utopian world that a has never [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► actually really existed and cannot be [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► recreated by wishing it were true only [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► good decided realize that the websites [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► that ended die or inherently bad this is [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► news to me it's the whipper snappers who [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► is the whipper snappers have you seen [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► you've seen the websites i'm talking [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► right like some some some cool new [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► technology and they have a website and [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► that I oh and their installation [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► procedure wants you to just run a curl [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► command pipe it into a shell like no [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► thanks [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► no thank you i will not do that i mean [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► is it any really any better when they [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► had like you know she'll archives you [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► down like char files and you just run [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► those blindly maybe it wasn't that much [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► better but I feel like you're crossing a [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► line when the network is involved and [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► you're just like blindly trusting that's [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► going over a wire that you just allowing [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► to execute on your machine you just [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► pulled off a website because that is the [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► same as as downloading you know unknown [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► binaries you know like you can [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► everything's turned completely [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► understand how it's all equivalent and [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► really that different and it's like Oh [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► kids these days right but there is a [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► difference some there's a reason like we [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► moved to sign the binaries and all sorts [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► of cryptographic things to assure us [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► that at the very least the the [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► application comes from the the person [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► with incomes from it hasn't been altered [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► there's a reason that is rolled out on [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► you know phone platforms and 2 s % [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► desktop platforms and game consoles and [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► everything like that and the modern [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► practice of executing arbitrary code [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► pulled from websites in your shell flies [TS]

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