The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► are we talking about that amazing thing [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► we were just talking about the pre-show [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► we talking about that anymore now are we [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► wait what you think we're just talking [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► about the pre-show the ipad pro 9.7 [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► whatever whatever stop stop no that's [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the thing that's happening next week [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► are we talking about that what's [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► happening next week oh my god market but [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► how are we gonna have anything to say [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► about that until it happens [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► yeah i guess not i will just be that [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► jerk that's teasing and then and then [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► it'll just be like it's fine but tells [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you go [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► uh-huh but something Marcus turned into [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► a generous father others fine i still [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► owe the time I you know we need in our [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► lives we need some follow-up we don't [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► have that much this week so it'll last [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► about three hours I wanted to tell us [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► about anonymous former apple employee [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► John who doesn't love an honest former [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► apple employees last week we discussed [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► some more [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► why don't we have cellular on the mac [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► and had lots of different theories and [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► there's one this one data point this is [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► a three-year-old data point from again [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► an anonymous apple employee and here she [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► says a significant number of ipad owners [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► do not have an iphone an insignificant [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► number of macbook owners do not have an [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► iphone as of three years ago anyway so [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► the idea there is why don't you have so [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► you have something on the ipad but you [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► don't have a mac why it's like well [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► because lots of letters don't have [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► phones but all the mac users to that's [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► interesting data point may have [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► contributed to the decision but as we [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► talked about that show just because you [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► have a phone doesn't mean you want to [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► waste its battery tethering and deal [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► with coloring stuff when its built-in [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► it's much nicer [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► how about but anybody that that's an [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► interesting number i probably would not [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► have guessed that that like the mac well [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► then I guess so if you have a Mac maybe [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► like an old-school Apple user and you [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► like everybody's got a macbook got an [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► iphone but the ipad is sold too much [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► wider audience anyway there you have it [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► take that for what it's worth from an [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► anonymous a play from three-year-old [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► data [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► fair enough Scott Williams wrote in some [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► time of the last week and asked a [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► question which I thought was actually [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► very interesting he asked why not use [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► cloudkit for file uploads and overcast [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► and unbeknownst to Marco I reply [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► to scott just the two of us i didn't [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► copy Marco and john and i said i bet you [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► anything it's just because s3 Israel is [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► what Marco knew and he didn't feel like [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► learning something different that I'm [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► not a hundred percent but I'm not a [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► hundred percent shores what I said to [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► Scott and then you did reply to everyone [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► and that is not the answer you have [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► which was very surprised by so why don't [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► you answer the question mark oh why not [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► use cloudkit right and actually I mean [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I've heard from a number of people on [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► why don't i use X one of the other exes [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► was back blazes new s3 like service that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► i believe it's called be too so the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► reason why I built this on s3 rather [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► than all these other options is first [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that swims was right that I was the [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► thing I knew the best but second that I [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► wrote that entire feature in 2014 [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► that's the big reason so that was before [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► cloudkit and before backblaze b2 and the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► reality is that the the biggest cost of [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it I I don't actually know yet but the [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► biggest cost of it is more likely to be [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► bandwidth and storage because then [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► within a transfer is is a lot more [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► expensive honest three then storages [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► storages like something like three cents [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► per gig months something like that and [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► transfer in is free transfer out so when [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► you redownload or play the file that i [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► have to pay for and it's you know in in [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► large quantities is actually a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► non-trivial cost and the the bandwidth [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► fees are actually fairly similar in [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► almost every provider cloudkit would be [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► interesting because clock is like free [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► with a whole bunch of asterisks after it [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► one of the holdups with that is simply [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► that i'm not familiar with how it works [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► yet and another big one is that I [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► believe not all those asterisks after it [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► actually have definitions at the bottom [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► of the page [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► many of them are like you just don't [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► know what will happen with this asterisk [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► you know you like if you go over all [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► your quotas its kind of undefined and [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► stuff like that like cloudkit is is a is [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► a bit of a risk if I were writing all of [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► this stuff from scratch today I would [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► probably first try to do all of it [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► the sync everything on cloud get first [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► but because I wrote all this stuff [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► before cloudkit existed [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that's the main reason why it is the way [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and so far i mean the looking like you [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► know how much space i'm actually using [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► an s3 so far i'm up to like over 300 [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► gigs now but that's still like something [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► like 60 bucks a month and storage so it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► really just the the question want to be [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► like how much do I end up using in in [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► bandwidth costs and if you know if if [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► the if this costs does not end up being [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► ridiculous than I can of course raise [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► the limit right now it's two gigs but [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► you know why not offer 10 gigs you know [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I don't know I I could offer more if the [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► if the cost a reasonable sum you can [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► basically see like what ended up being [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► with the average cost of it and decide [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► from there what to do enough John wanted [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► to tell us about why it may not be your [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► fault that your poor ipod touch walked [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► on you now it's my fault a lot of people [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► sent me links to various stories about a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► technology to break into cars [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► particularly this one with the keyless [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► entry where you just have a little your [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► key fob in your pocket and you just walk [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► up to your car and it unlocks and you [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► get in and you drive away I think you [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► guys probably have that on your fancy [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► cars [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► yep yep and the way to the the way you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► break into these well the way the system [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► works obviously walk up to the car and [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► the car knows you're nearby because it [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► sends a signal to your key fob and your [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► key fob says oh I I should open the door [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► and sends a signal back and tell us the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► guard opened the door the way these [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► breaking things work is if you're in a [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► restaurant and your car is parked [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► outside your car is sending out a signal [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► a key fob are you there [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► thank you Father you there but your key [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► fobs not there good the signal is very [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► weak signal only reaches when you really [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► when you're right next to your car [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► essentially these amplifiers take the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► car signal amplified massively so your [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► key fob in your pocket inside the [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► restaurant can hear the car asking and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► then I the key part thanks oh the car [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► has asked me something here you go car [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► open your doors please [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and it sends a signal which can reach [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the car apparently from the key fob [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► because I guess they were from really [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► far away in case you hit the button you [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► know and then the door opens and the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► thief gets in so it's an amplifier and [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► what is amplifying is the car signal [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► reaching out to your key fob and then [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► keep obvious answers and opens the car [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► door i'm pretty sure no one used that in [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► my car because i don't have one of those [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► things my car did not send out a signal [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► to my key fob i have the old-fashioned [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► kind of key fob where the way it works [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► is you press the button on the key fob [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and it sends a signal to the car me [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► getting close to my car with my key in [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► my pocket does nothing does not open the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► doors for me just left it unlocked just [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that one time anyway [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► carlock now got a new ipod in there I'm [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► there are other by the way there are [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► other things that do that you can use to [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► break into cars like mine they just send [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► a whole bunch of different signals to [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► the car all sorts of other hacks and [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► things but just all that just sounds way [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► even the amplifier think that sounds way [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► too sophisticated for the the crime that [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► seems to be which is just wander down [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the street neighborhood try every single [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► car and it's locked onto the next one [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► I mean you could also just use like a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► rock to break and he's like yeah they [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► don't want to break the window they want [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► they don't want this whole idea about [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► this crime as you keep it low enough [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► level that no one really gets upset [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► about it because I didn't break anything [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► on your car you know to me like you're [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► right they could just break your break [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the window and and get in there or the [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► water they can you know you some other [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► way to break in the car [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► this is totally about I'm not want to be [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► bothered by that if they leave the door [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► open there's enough people leave the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► door open why should I bother doing [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► something they can make more noise that [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► can get me caught that you get me in [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► trouble they can make the police take [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► notice [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► alright so this is totally a crime of [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► opportunity just looking for the day I [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► forget to lock my car door again [TS]

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00:09:58 ◼   ► alright so this past Monday we had our [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► first apple event of the year [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► yeah and we did not get new max said [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► times we spent a lot of time talking [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► about it last week and then nothing i [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► mean it's it's a bummer but you know a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► lot of people are saying that oh this is [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► a sign that apple doesn't care about the [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► mac as much anymore and I think it's [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► true that apple doesn't care that much [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► about the mac anymore but i don't think [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► this is a sign of that I've had [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► basically think like if you give Apple [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the benefit of the doubt on this one we [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► know that releases of Max are tied very [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► heavily to availability of the CPUs are [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► going to use from Intel and Intel over [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► the last few years as they face a lot of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► challenges with all their you know chip [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► manufacturing changes and pretend [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► progress over time they have missed a [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► lot of the of their target ship dates I [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► maybe even all of them like they've they [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► have just been been very delayed in very [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► late getting stuff out the door for a [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► lot of the recent generations and [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► skylake of course is no exceptions which [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► was one of the biggest ones are [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► actually that just skylake is the the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► newest generation of their chips has [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► taken a very long time to come out i [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► think it was total what like a year [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► later something [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it'sit's very it is definitely behind [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► schedule so the the type of skylight [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► ships that go into macbook and macbook [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► pros are usually the ones that have [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► intel iris pro graphics and them and so [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► you can look around the internet you can [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► see like certain skylight ships are out [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► and you can buy certain ones in pcs for [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► like months or or recently but the ones [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► with iris pro that would go into the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► macbook pro those as far as i know are [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► not really out in quantity yet so that [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that is much more likely to be the [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► reason here that we didn't see max it's [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► not necessarily that Apple is snubbing [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► the mac it's way more likely that those [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► chips just apple just can't get enough [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► of them yet from Intel so they can't [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► really release thing yet [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► that's a way more likely explanation [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► again I i do think there are lots of [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► signs all over the place that the mac [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► has kind of taken a backseat an apple in [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► recent years but i don't think the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► absence of max at this event is a sign [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► of that necessarily and we'll talk about [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► Intel's abandonment of their tech talk [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► strategy probably on the next show [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► unless we get through all the apple [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► event stuff in which case we'll talk [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► about later put any spices that Intel is [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► now formally acknowledging what Marco [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► just said and we've all known for a long [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► time is that they make a lot of promises [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► about when things will be ready and they [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► usually kind of our within their promise [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► window but at the very tail edge [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► excluding the models that Apple Wonsan [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► caveat caveat astrix astray so it's nice [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► to see them acknowledging the reality [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► and changing their game plan and we'll [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► talk more about why what this means blah [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► blah [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► what if and when we get to the topic [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► maybe the show and the other thing is [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► though it is worth pointing out that [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► Apple has contributed from their end to [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the long ways to insert max and the main [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► the main way this is not all Intel's [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► fault is that Apple often for that for [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► their for the lower priority products [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► things like the mac mini in the mac pro [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► especially they often skip until [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► generations so Intel will often make [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► them a new cpu and a public [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► we started this project last year we [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► don't need to do another one this year [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► you know and like the mac pro tends to i [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► think i think for most of the recent [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► generations the mac pro has skipped [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► roughly every other generation so it is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► definitely partly apple's fault [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► also you know intel has been rolling out [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► sky like slowly over the last few months [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► you know like the chip that is in the [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► macbook one that's a different line then [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► the chip in the chips that would be used [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► in the macbook air and those are [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► different line the chips that would be [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► used macbook pro and the 13-15 also i [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► think slightly different like that's the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► quad versus the verses the the dual-core [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► there but these chips are released at [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► different times it's kind of like a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► rolling schedule usually in recent years [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the Intel and so into so Apple could [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► release macbooks asked at a standard a [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► staggered schedule and if I last year [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► they did you remember last year there [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► were I think the macbook one came out [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► first then the heirs and then 13 and 15 [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► write something like that something like [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► that they were staggered among the few [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► months so you know Apple could have some [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► of these chips like the magic wands shit [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► maybe and just not have released yet [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► because their wings do it all at once so [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that's also kinda on Apple but the main [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► thing is like is the skipping of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► generations that that is the big one [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► like these the chip is in the 15-inch [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► right now is I think like three years [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► old or something I mean it's like it's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► it's pretty rough the mac pro is also [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► again in really bad shape is like once [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► you start skipping until generations [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► nowadays like where the entire [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► generation itself is being extended [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► because of various delays in getting to [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► the next the next stage when you start [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► skipping generations like Apple often [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► does now that could mean you're you're [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► buying a three-year-old cpu when you go [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► into the store today and and that's that [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► just sucks so I think if Apple wants to [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► at least partially alleviate the notion [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that they're abandoning or or neglecting [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the mac i think they got to stop [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► skipping the generations because if the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► if the generation is going to go from [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► nine months long 22 years long [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► that's that's a much bigger thing that [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► you know stop skipping tomorrow because [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► they also tie everything else to it so [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► for instance like if you buy it like [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► this but this came up in the oculus rift [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► comments from couple years ago but [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► that's still a topic down there by the [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► way I know if you buy a mac pro today [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► you're getting something like a [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► three-year-old or four-year college [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► class GPU like you're getting a really [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► old GPU by by modern standards even if [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► you opt for the highest one can you [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► believe people out there are using three [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► year old Mac Pro's does that say well [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► they're not buying that well they are [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► but you know he ideally you wouldn't buy [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► a three-year-old mac pro today right so [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the one you can buy today is three years [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► old so I'm gonna add i know right so [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► anyway so like you know it sucks that [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► because Apple skips generations of cpu [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► on on the lesser mainstream products and [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► these generations keep getting longer by [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► tying themselves to intel's calendar [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► they end up shipping a whole bunch of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► other old stuff too like you know that [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► the GPUs are grossly outdated usually on [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► these products the configuration options [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► things like SSD pricing for higher [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► capacities that tends to stay very high [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► for very long because it's just hardly [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► ever updated you know it when you're [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► updating every two to three years you do [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► skipping updates then it's kind of hard [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► to eat that stuff competitive so that [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► all is kind of you know that does all [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► contribute and that all those things are [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► within apples control change and I hope [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► they do at some point and all this is [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► kinda to lead into the final conclusion [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► here which is now the now that we're [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► seeing quite how much Apple depends on [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► Intel to progress the mac line forward [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► you know assuming Apple fixes all the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► other stuff and starts you know and [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► doesn't skip any more cpu generations [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► until gives them and maybe keep things a [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► little bit more up-to-date which that's [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► a big if [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► honestly I don't see it happening but if [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► they would do that you can kind of see [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► why Apple might someday want to move to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► our max because Apple could make their [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► own cpus that arm at class and if they [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► could be at all competitive with Intel [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► which then honestly they might not even [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► need to be I mean look at the macbook [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► one incredibly slow computer that seems [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► to be something pretty well anyway [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► because nobody cares you know so if [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► after Apple Apple made their own [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► ARM chips for max 40 s 10 they would own [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► this part of the pipeline that right now [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► they have they depend on this partner [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► who keeps delaying them and that is [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► necessarily said Apple would always do [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► better but it is exactly the same [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► situation they were in back when they [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► were on powerpc waiting for IBM to do [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► anything powerpc you know it's very [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► similar that situation and apple made a [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► change because they were tired of of you [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► know being dependent on the slow partner [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► they could do the same thing here with [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► Intel at some point by saying you know [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► what we are we are done dealing with [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► intel holdups and Intel delays we're [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► gonna try taking this on our own and [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► we're gonna make matchups and you know [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► just have like an A and a 15 X for the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► mac or something [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► so this is all kind of you know big [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► long-term stuff and all this requires a [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► lot more thought and effort into the mac [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► then what Apple might be giving recently [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► but i do think it's within the realm of [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► reason anyway new laptops will be out in [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► a couple months [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► yes the answer is we don't know when [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► we'll be out like they could you know [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► did it again until they could be out i'd [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► say at this point since they miss this [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► event the most likely release is june at [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► WTC but it also could be in time before [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► then or after that he knows with Intel's [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► ship dates we don't really know it could [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► be just like a press release and maybe [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► some briefings sometime between now and [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► June without an event it could be a tiny [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► event although i doubt that or you know [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► it could just be announced in WC gym in [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► june so really could be a nice things [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► and and we don't really know and [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► probably only apple and Intel know this [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► alright so we should probably cover the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► rest of the event chronologically you [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► know things are actually in the event of [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► tank so why don't we start how it [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► started with the brief what was it 40 [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► years and 40 seconds video I don't have [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► a lot to say about it other than that I [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► really enjoyed it and i also really [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► enjoyed Stephen Hackett and Jason smells [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► like we didn't start the fire style [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► recap of everything that was in it [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Tim Cook did a little thing like we had [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► apple don't usually like to look [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► backwards but it seems kinda like the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► new Apple kinda like look backwards [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► sometimes [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► a little bit more than they used to [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► Steve Jobs famously against ever doing [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► anything wrong nostalgic so just forward [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► nunu of course he did do things like [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► with the 1984 ipod and stuff like that [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► but it seemed more rare back then it was [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► small and it's just a bunch of words on [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► a screen and it was fun and cute or [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► whatever but it's like I don't know [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► maybe did apple just getting to that age [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► where there's like a lot of round number [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► anniversaries and birthdays the 25th [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► anniversary with 30th anniversary of the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► mac the 40th anniversary of the company [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► you know the last town hall thing just [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► seems to me that the new Apple seems [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► ever so slightly more sentimental then [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► it used to be [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► I don't think it's necessarily a bad [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► thing I mean I'm 13 mental I'm old to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you know the the then text name video it [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► was cute but I don't like the fact that [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► it was 40 seconds but it wasn't anything [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► too wonderful [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► I'm i enjoyed it and I'm I didn't think [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► it was overly self indulgent like the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► thousand knows forever yes whatever it [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► was I also liked that video but kind of [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► ran for a long time and got a little bit [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► but that was that was forward-looking [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► know that was like this is the new Apple [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► this is what we do going forward and I [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► give them lots of leeway to sort of set [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► a new direction this is a purely like [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► hey its anniversary we did a bunch of [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► cool things in the first 40 years [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah and and I liked it and I'd [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► like to because it was quick it was [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► funny and it was it didn't take things [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► too seriously so I quite liked the video [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► i didn't like that wasn't chronological [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► of course that bothered me because if [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► you're trying to match up its kind of [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► chronological but then it jumps back and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► it goes all over the place like just [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► just a chronological John after that we [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► heard about privacy and even since that [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► we're recording this on wednesday [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► evening the the conference or whatever [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► you want to call it the keynote took [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► place Monday afternoon proper time [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► so even in 24 hours later there's been [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► new developments in this whole privacy [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► battle with the FBI and I don't know [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► which one of you guys put this link to [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► New York Times in here but perhaps you [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► can talk about that a little bit more [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► well I mean so he victim cookies on [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► stage and being kind of like very [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► assertive [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► and determined you know as you all know [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► in the audience because you're a bunch [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► of tech reporters here's the thing that [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► we've been battling the FBI and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► Department of Justice over and apples [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► committed to privacy and we're gonna [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► fight this fight and so on and so forth [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and the audience applause and it's like [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► yeah and then like one or two days later [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► department justice is like actually [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► turns out we might have another way into [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► this phone never mind about that here [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you're going to have apple like someone [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► else approach the FBI and said they can [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► get us into the phone so I never mind [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► for now so they postponed the hearing it [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► perhaps indefinitely and their the [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► government is going off into something [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► else and everyone's trying to read the [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► tea leaves it could they always have [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► gotten into it they get cold feet is [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► actually someone new saying hey here's [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► like a box you can buy and China will [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► unlock this phone and FBI should know [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► about your bunch of dunces it's so hard [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► to tell what's actually going on but the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► bottom line for apples they were all [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► stealing for a fight and that fight has [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► been either postponed or cancelled so [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► it's like oh alright well I guess we'll [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► wait to see if the government comes back [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► and says no seriously want you to do [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► this but for now it seems like a stay of [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► execution for apple just excellent [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► I i think it's it's more it's most [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► likely to be a combination of all those [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► possibilities that you and John like I i [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► think if you looked at the way the legal [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► briefs for going back and forth the FBI [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► really did not have much of late to [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► stand on legally according to what most [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► lawyers which we are not seem to think [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► about about you know these these briefs [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► and these arguments it seems like the [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► FBI was was very likely to lose [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► basically and so they're bailing out and [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that's very smart from their point of [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► view because you know they we all I [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► think suspect or or know that this is [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► very much about setting precedent and [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► they wanted to set precedent that would [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► allow them to compel Apple to break into [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► any phone they demanded secretly [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► probably you know although all the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► wonderful stuff government does now the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► name of freedom they there was an equal [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► chance if they lost to set a bad [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► precedent for the FBI which you peel it [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► like if Apple successfully defended [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► against this and court ruled in Apple's [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► favor saying no you can't make apple do [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► this then that hurts the FBI is a call [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► as for themselves so if they were pretty [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► sure they're going to lose the best [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► thing to do is say yeah nevermind will [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► fight this again later and that's [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► basically what they've done [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► I don't know if there if there are [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► handicapping of their chances of losing [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► change that much representing apples [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► argument is it so hard to tell when [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► there's the possibility that one of the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the parties to this lawsuit is [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► incredibly incompetent and doesn't know [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► anything about the tech stuff because if [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you have you believe that being like [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► well maybe maybe FBI really didn't think [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► they had a strong case but then when the [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► fax came to light an apple got to [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► respond like oh maybe we don't have a [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► strong case but then you would take it [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► seriously when they not know all these [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► things and so it's so hard to tell i got [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► are they super devious and just like [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► bluffing or do they really not know that [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► it seemed like didn't have a good case [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and the other possibility of more [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► cynical one is they just decided you [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► know what if it's a lot easier if we [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► just get laws passed to make it and make [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► that the force Apple to do what we want [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► so we will retreat and you know go [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► through government channels to try to [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► you know influence the Congress to pass [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► the terrible laws that we wanted to pass [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► and will secretly pass in the night when [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► no one's watching because we have enough [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► people who vote for them because they [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► have lobbyists from yeah whatever like [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that the typical way the government [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► passes laws that don't have popular [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► support right right in the name of [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► fighting this war that somehow never [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► ends and is able to find right exactly [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► is a terrorism blah blah you know people [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► being mean blah blah encryption is going [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► to kill your children whatever like [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► anyway so that's another possibility [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► that they decided if this is too much [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► hassle even if we're going to win it so [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► much better we can just get terrible [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► laws passed and that has worked really [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► well for lots of terrible laws that [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► involve like warrantless wiretapping in [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the Patriot Act and all the other things [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► they've done is like that that's proven [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► strategy this whole battling a company [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► in court especially company has a lot of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► money for lawyers that seems like a lot [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► of work so who knows who knows what's [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► going on but it's either way Apple was [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► all sort of grim and determined and [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► committed and that determination has [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► fizzled because now they have nothing to [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► be determined about and I can just going [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► back to suspecting that the NSA is [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► putting secret chips into all their [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► servers delightful so there was that [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► speech about privacy the aftermath [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► thereof and then we got to talk about [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► the environment and i was very pleased [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► to see that [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► the first not Tim person on stage was a [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► woman Lisa Jackson a woman of color no [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► less which is excellent and she was up [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► there for quite a while and this is the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► first time i can recall seeing her on [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► stage is that fair to say or am I [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► forgetting one she might have been up [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► there before I think for talking about [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► environment but yet like the this is [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► something that people are watching now [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► Apple watchers are watching now because [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► Apple itself has tried to do better [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► about diversity and is giving these [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► diversity reports to say how are we [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► doing how far do we have to go [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Apple itself has given itself a bad [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► grade on diversity and continues to give [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► itself a bad grade university because it [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► deserves a bad grade and diversity like [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► but yeah but now when we when we watch [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► these keynotes especially as compared to [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► some other companies for example Google [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► has historically been much better in [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► terms of who was on stage talking right [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► and it's not just use on stage talking [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► like you can just you know we'll just [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► pick someone up there and try to put a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► diverse days on things whose stage [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► talking always necessarily flex who's in [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► charge of things and that is the type of [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► problem where you can't fix it overnight [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► unless you fire everybody and start over [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► and that's usually people don't like to [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► do that you like that were cleaning [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► house the whole top five layers of the [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► org chart everybody's fired and we're [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► starting over [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► so it's going to take a long time to be [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► yeah it's going to take Apple when Steve [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► Jobs kinda deputy just replace all the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► white dude why do it's okay come on time [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► for Apple to undo the decades and [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► decades of promoting white do it's [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► essentially right so you can't you know [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► it you can't just the you can't fix it [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► overnight which isn't an excuse but it's [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► just showing how how difficult it is to [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► make this change in how deep this this [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► stuff goes right and so trying to at the [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► very least do a little bit better on [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► each successive keynote is I think [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► important but every time they do it [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► almost highlights how far they have to [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► go you know I mean like like this is [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that this is literally the best you can [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► do and you've gotta dig all the way down [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► to like your vice president of the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► environment to come up with a female [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► speaker no one who's in charge of like [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► iOS or the mac or apple TV or anything [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► like that is any more diverse than just [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► a million other white guys so it's [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► difficult to know how like I mean [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I know how i feel about this but like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► what what kind of feedback would you [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► give doubt because it's clear that [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► they're trying to do something but it's [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► also clear that they're like that it's [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► almost an impenetrable wall and you [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► wouldn't tell them you need to fire [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► everybody and start over [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► you would hope that they're working [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► internally to try to hire and promote [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► more equitably then they have been but [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► for for you to see results of that it's [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► gonna take years and years and years [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► simply because I just can't fire [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► everybody is it doesn't you know it and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it doesn't necessarily have to start at [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► the bottom you can hire women into the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► top like they did for their head of [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► retail and stuff too but its head just [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► like it's a long road I mean to the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► credit I mean we'll talk about the [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► environment a second but it seems like [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► Apple at least knows that they have a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► problem and is trying to do something [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► about it but it's difficult to tell [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► whether Apple is being ineffectual that [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► in their efforts or they're being as [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► effective as they possibly can is just [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► going to take for freaking ever [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► alright so let's talk about the [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► environment a little bit [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Apple cares and they had said a couple [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► years ago I don't recall one that was [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► that they wanted to be a hundred percent [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► based on renewable energy and they [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► aren't there yet but they're 93% [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► worldwide and apparently a hundred [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► percent renewable in 23 countries [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► including the states from not mistaken [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► their environment this aspect of their [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► environment the energy aspects [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► environment i think is one of the best [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► things apple is doing simply because [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► they are so well positioned to do what [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► they're doing I saw it so it's it's a [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► win-win for apple so obviously they get [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the pr advantage of saying look how [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► environmentally green we are and you [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► know we're setting an example for [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► everybody else in ball blob but it also [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► costs them less money not in the short [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► term but in the long run and why does [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► not why does every company on to us why [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► doesn't every single company in the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► entire United States to use all [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► renewable energy and also because that [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► it cost tons of money up front they [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► build solar panels they buy you know [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► they build wind farms they invest money [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► in it like they're paying the Polo solar [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► panels on top of the buildings in [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► however that was singapore whatever and [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► they're building a huge solar arrays [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► outside of you know there's a huge [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► capital investment who can afford to [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► make these gigantic capital investment [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► so you can make it back slowly over the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► next 20 years [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► Apple that's it because they got tons of [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► money like that's not their problem they [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► have the capital so at this is exactly [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► what Apple should be doing [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► hey we have a huge amount of money cash [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► flow is not our problem where we are [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► committed to having these data centers [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► with these stores or whatever for a long [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► long time [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► let's take all the money that we have [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► put up front to build know there's not [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► renewable energy were building up there [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► is will try to subsidize it or buy it or [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► you know paper whatever it is that you [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► know the other companies can't do [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► because like I'm that's great but I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► don't have no 2 billion dollars to [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► probably solar panels up right let's [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► invest that money and then let's slowly [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► make it back over years and years of [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► saying all now our data centers powered [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► half by the Sun and half bodies other [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► renewable things are very they will make [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► it back eventually [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► and even if they don't it's such a drop [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► in the bucket compared to their other [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► expenses and other things they spend [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► money on is just it's just a smart thing [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► to do so like a specialist on putting [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► solar panels on the roof of skyscrapers [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► and stuff like seriously you're gonna [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► try to power your retail stores up with [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► renewable energy as far as applicants [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► like sure what the hell not i mean it's [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► it's just it's just a smart investment [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► and if you are a company that's like his [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► short-term thinking or doesn't have as [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► much cash as apple or something like [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► pinching pennies like if you're like the [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► walmart so the world or whatever [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► wherever you know razor-thin margins and [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► pressuring your suppliers and not giving [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► your employees health care and doing [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► everything you possibly can to save [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► every penny [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it's not as likely to occur to you that [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► hey we should put solar panels and every [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► single walmart and make them you know it [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► carbon neutral or putting energy back on [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the grid or whatever it is that you want [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► to be doing because that just seems like [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► a lot of capital investment for like a [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► silly PR win but I really think the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► people in charge and apple don't see it [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► as a silly PR when they see it is like a [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► strategic advantage as in we are [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► self-sufficient another type of thing [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► like oh we don't rely on in delaware [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► cpus and we don't rely on stupid power [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► companies for a powerful will do all [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that ourselves and they you know like so [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► many other things that Tim Cook is Apple [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► has been behind they really seem to [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► believe in this is as having an [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► environmental impact even know apples [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► one small company and really it's a drop [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► in the bucket of the most important [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► thing they do is set an example so i [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► don't know if it deserved as much time [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► as they gave it in the keynote uh I feel [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like they just need to mention this keep [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► mentioning this over and over again [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► kinda like they do with like the you [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► know lead-free PVC three check boxes [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► they put every single product like we've [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► seen that a million times now but [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► eventually hopefully it goes it you know [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► gets through everybody's head and when [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► they don't see for someone else's [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► progress is so I guess your product [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► contains led you know so eventually i [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► hope that Apple keeps showing these [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► environmental things and when other [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► companies have big presentations about [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► new data centers infrastructures that [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► the press can ask are you powering this [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► renewable energy if not why not [TS]

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00:34:48 ◼   ► document stuff like that you can you [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► know you can do so much in your phone it [TS]

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00:34:56 ◼   ► yes an actual blackberry all the way up [TS]

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00:35:27 ◼   ► alright so then research kit and care [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► kit research kit was introduced i think [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► they said about a year ago is that right [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and care kit is a new kind of extension [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► of that I don't really have that much to [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► say about this other than that i very [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► much applauded and I think they're doing [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► great work here [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► yep that is another example of an [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► initiative that other companies probably [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► wouldn't do anything about because it's [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► not going to be a big moneymaker the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► number of people who are medical [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► researchers who are also their customers [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► is smaller know if that's a big market [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► but what you know it's not as big as [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► like consumer market so why do they [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► bother doing it [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► another one of those things that Apple [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► does because they think it's the right [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► thing to do and they're in a position to [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► use their technology to make this stuff [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► better there was bragging about a [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► research get these companies that used [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► to collect the these programs used to [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► collect data like within 24 hours became [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► the biggest parkinson study just because [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► it's you know they could distribute [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► their apt all these people and gather [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► data and care kit is the extension to [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► say you're not part of a medical [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► research program you're just a patient [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► and caregiver is something you can use [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► to communicate your status back to your [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► doctor and they can send you updates to [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► your like you know your plan of care [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► after being released from the hospital [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► after surgery or just keep tracking [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► chronic conditions and stuff like that [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and stuff is all open source it's you [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► know it's an admirable effort they've [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► got a lot of time in this thing care kit [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► is a natural extension of research kit [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► and this is exactly the type of thing [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► that we would help a company like Apple [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► would do so thumbs up [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► yep i would also refer everybody to the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► this week's episode of connected over [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► really FM episode number 83 they could [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► they have a lot more knowledge about the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the healthcare system minutes needs and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► and they had a great discussion about [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► this this week plus its greatest [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► otherwise so i recommend you check out [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► connected in every 3-4 a more extended [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► discussion on on this research [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► initiative for health and stuff [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► awesome moving on we have the brand new [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► Apple watch [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► it's lighter it's thinner it's faster [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► and whenever nobody to get new band so [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► I'm so sad for the Apple watch [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► I'm like I am but I'm not I didn't [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► actually expect and you watch this time [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► and I'm not really disappointed that we [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► didn't well why not though because the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the watch came out a year ago and it was [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► unveiled like 18 months ago [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► so why didn't you expect to get a new [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► one because usually after a year of a [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► new product Apple ships a much-improved [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► second version because in the Town Hall [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► that's why [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► well okay but like you is there a great [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► reason why we don't have new watch [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► hardware because here's here's what i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► see about the watch the problem with the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► watch is a combination of incredibly [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► slow first gen hardware and fairly young [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► and limited and and kind of confusing [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► software and they have made some [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► software advances since since the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► release but most of them have not been [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► very significant in terms of like what [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► the user actually experiences with the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► watch on a regular basis like for the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► most part it's like same stuff running [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► at the same speed roughly you know just [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► a few minor improvements here and there [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► but not not a whole lot there's still [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► tons of limits [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► they're still not a lot of customization [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► of the watch faces stuff like that it's [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► like like as our friend Steve [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► transported out there are more colors of [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► the sport band then there are watch [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► faces that you can configure in software [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► but you can it like it seems like what [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the watch desperately needs is faster [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► Hardware number one and then a lot more [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► work on the software number two what we [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► have now a year later is really neither [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► of those things at least from what we [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► can see [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► instead we have the same hardware now a [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► year later that will presumably be here [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► for at least another six months made [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► this fall will get new watches i don't [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► know maybe next spring who knows but we [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► have now pretty old pretty creaky [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► hardware and we have tons of variation [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► that we can get in the case material in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the bands that we attach to it in the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► colors of those bands we have so much [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► variation or all those things [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► but the actual watch experience is [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► barely changed in the last year and [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► needs a lot of help so I I kind of feel [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► like and I had this kind of this kind of [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► more this kind of larger concern with [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► apple that they are fighting a lot of [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► battles on a lot of fronts and we've [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► talked in the past about how are you I'm [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► concerned about them being stretched too [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► thin but i think i think we're kind of [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► seeing what that means here you know we [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► see as as i mentioned howard go like the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► max get like generations skipped of [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► hardware just kind of ignored you know [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► some models like the mini just get kind [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► of neglected for years it seems like the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► watch is possibly like a low priority [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► for them because now we have you know [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► your number two of it and no new [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► hardware yet and minimal change the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► software again we'll see what happens to [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► be see you know maybe maybe they will [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► unveil a you know a significant to the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► software I i hope they would that would [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► be the place to do it at the time but I [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► just feel like I feel like the watch has [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► not got enough attention has not [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► improved enough for being in the point [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► in its life cycle where it is we didn't [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► blink an eye when Apple let the ipad air [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► to continue to be the flagship ipad for [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► more than a year right [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► we didn't we didn't like a night that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► because that's okay well this is like [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► the ipad it was like the ipads 50-year [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that was a great model nobody really had [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► any complaints about it so great but the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► watch has reached that point yet or [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► shouldn't have reached that point yet [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► like the watches this is a brand-new [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► product its first year and it seems like [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► it's already getting on a slow cycle and [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► I'm worried about it because it seems [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► like if Apple was really putting their [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► weight behind this product it seems like [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► we should have seen more by now it [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► almost it almost feels to me like Apple [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► kinda lacks hustle the way they used to [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► have like they used to like really put [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► their weight behind new things and [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► really try to make them work i mean not [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► everything they were saying but you know [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► like most most things like a major new [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► product they would really put the way [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► behind i really back them up for awhile [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► and and and drive them forward it just [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► seems you know we'll see what happens [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► with the TV going into this fall like [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► will enable the TV update our number on [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► a regular basis really neglected we'll [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► see what happens with the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► pad you know as for you know for a while [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► they have had was neglected pretty badly [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► and you know the software wise at least [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and you know it got a lot of attention [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► recently which will get to but we'll see [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► how that plays out you know over the [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► next couple years I i hope they keep the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► tension level up for ipad users but I [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► don't know they will I feel like they [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► are fighting on so many fronts that [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they're happy they're obviously having [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► trouble staying competitive in certain [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► areas like I i recently got on amazon [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► echo the echo is really good and it kind [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► of highlights what Siri should be and [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► maybe an area of hardware apple should [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► consider being in that they're just not [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► in and that app and see Reed is not this [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► advanced or is not this well integrated [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► with other products and doesn't have any [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► kind of developer story yet and so like [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► you look at you look at a lot of Apple [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► projects now it just seems like they [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► lack that hustle that apple stuff used [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► to have and I think a big part of that I [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► just they're doing so much infighting so [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► many battles now and i don't think the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► company's resources have grown to to [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► match that I don't know I don't know [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► what do you think also a few things here [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► first [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► I don't know why I didn't expect a watch [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► update but it just the watch never felt [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► to me that it was going to be a an [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► annual update sort of thing and if maybe [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that's because I by or i used to buy [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► wristwatches once every like five or six [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► years and I think that we're running a [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► little bit into this with the iPad as [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► well because the ipad isn't really an [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► annual update kind of device either in [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► terms of consumers but I didn't really [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► think we were going to get an update [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► quite yet and obviously I'm not sure [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► when we will I I couldn't even wait [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► you're guess but i also don't think that [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► I like my watch a lot although i like it [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► for a lot less than i thought it was [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► then i thought i would i thought i would [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► like to use all sorts of third-party [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► apps and i thought i would like to use [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► it almost not as a replacement for my [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► phone but I would turn to my watch more [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► often than i would turn to my phone and [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► i found that [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► for me my watch is a great notifications [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► like triage device it's great for the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► weather it's great for my schedule and [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► it's great for health and that's about [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I don't use it for pretty much any third [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► party apps outside of things that I [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► stick on my watch faces complications [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► which basically is carrot weather and [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► fantastical we didn't talk about this [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► link last time but apples practice over [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► the last several years with most of its [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► products is they want to keep making a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► physical design for at least two years [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► and they usually do that by keeping the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► the old models around right for the [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► phones or with the 5se even longer than [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► two years so even if Apple revises the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► wouldn't you think they would want to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► keep making ditch this size and shape [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► watch for two years and so the two years [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► isn't up and so it's not so much that I [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► didn't think this watchman still be [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► it's just that there's no there's no [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► replacement for and and that's that's [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the thing i'm thinking about seeing all [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► these new bands and everything is it [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► like if and when a new watch comes out [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► first of all what can they even do well [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► they can put a slightly lower power cpu [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► that's slightly faster with you know new [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► process technology or whatever and that [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► will presently let them get more battery [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► life and maybe smaller battery and make [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► it thinner and try to fix all the things [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► that we think they should fix [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► hardware-wise just the incremental get a [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► little bit better but then when they [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► keep selling di don't know the apple [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► watch one right alongside it for say a [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► reduced price not just the sport model [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► but all them reduced price just because [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► they have all the tools to build these [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► watches and they would just say well we [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► feel like we want to make every size and [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► shape for at least two years to recoup [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the costs on the the tooling and the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► process if that's the case i don't mean [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► I'm kind of in the same boat as Casey [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► like I'm why didn't I expect the other [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► than the town hall thing why didn't I [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► expected watches just doesn't seem like [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► I don't know like I even if they had a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► new one I wasn't confident that the new [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► one would advance to such a degree like [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that basically apples treatment of this [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► this product has so clearly put it as a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► fashion accessory and not a tech [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► accessory and fashion accessories like [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► they have been changing it the fashion [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► parts of it [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► colors you know that you can get a rose [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► gold one you can get a loan old one you [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► get a million different bands like they [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► have been doing that for a fashion focus [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► product that is possible kind of you [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► know what i mean and Marco you're [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► thinking of it as if it's a tiny [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► computer and they have to advance the [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► computing in size because the problems [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► you see what the product have to do with [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► like software that the sort of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► functionality of the software and the [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► focus of the product in the speed of the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► hardware but as a fashion accessory [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► it's got more updates than any product [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► after his oversold and so I don't know I [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► I I feel mostly ok with waiting two [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► years for a hardware update on this [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► product if in the meantime every six [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► months they give new bands in new colors [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► and everything because that's that seems [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► like a cadence and the treatment of this [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► product that is in keeping with the the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► supposed theme of the product and i [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► agree with you that they they do have [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► problems that need to address on the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► software side and better hardware is [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► always better but uh I'm not too broken [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► up about it [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► well I i think most of my i agree with [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► most of what you just said you know I am [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► very happy they're keeping the fashion [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► angle up and they are doing a really [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► impressive job crankin out tons of new [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► bands and I'm very happy to see all [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► these new bands because if i go back to [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► my Apple watch on a regular basis you [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► better rock something like the red [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► leather band or something crazy like I'm [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► going to love having these new options [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► come out all the time [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that's great i I'm glad they're doing [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► that but that stuff is relatively easy [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► you know relative to everything else to [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► watch needs to be better [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► they're doing the easy stuff and the [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► stuff that gets them a lot of profit [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► what what the watch needs to be good is [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► both it needs both the fashion angle to [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► keep being up you know and honestly you [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► know i'm not entirely sure that's [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► incredibly well guided of them because [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► the apple watch itself the what the [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► watch part of it if you really want to [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► keep up with fashion that part needs to [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► change in a regular basis to well they [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► could change that they have no colors [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► and everything on the exchange a little [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► bit but that's a minor change for [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► fashion [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► ultimately i don't think a SmartWatch [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► will be a fashion object for that reason [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► that they kind of can't change that the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► body of it in in dramatic ways [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► frequently you know because because of [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► all the software environment has to run [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► and everything so [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► I wouldn't expect this to be a fashion [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► item really ever if it ever was but but [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► if it if it is now you know I wouldn't [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that the last forever and treating it [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► only as fashion i think is a mistake [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► because that's how fashion works you [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► know the fashion does not support the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► same rectangle with different bands [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► indefinitely so it put in that fashion [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► angle aside for a second what the watch [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► needs is to be really good even if those [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► basic functions so I'm not saying it [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► needs a faster cpu like play games on [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► her or you know to order run more [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► advanced apps [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► I'm saying it needs faster cpu and [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► better software even just the basics and [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► you know even simple things like the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► bluetooth communication to the phone is [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► still unreliable and I don't know [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► whether that's the fault of Bluetooth [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► big you know the big scary ghost [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► bluetooth or what but you know I have a [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► lot of little things that worked great [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► so probably not just that probably other [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► reasons also there's so much the watch [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► could do either they can't do today or [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► that it does poorly today that is all [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► dependent on the harbor being very slow [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► and the software being very limited to [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► conserve power so if they would do [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► something like increase the cpu [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► performance by twenty-five percent which [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► we know based on their mobile chips from [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► their phones the person those those are [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► made that is not a reasonable or [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► realistic at all you know in all [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► likelihood because again this this [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► Hardware shown to us in nearly finished [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► 18 months ago so they can probably [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► release a new one that's pretty good now [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► if they wanted to they put the resources [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► behind it and so a 20-percent [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► twenty-five percent gain and cpu [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► performance would help tremendously and [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► suppose they could reduce power draw by [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► twenty-five percent well then maybe they [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► could increase the frequency the [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► complications update by which can enable [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► stuff to work better and can enable new [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► kinds of apps so I'm not saying they [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► have to make massive advances in like [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► making this watch able to replace your [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► phone or run really complicated after [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► anything i'm talking about improving the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► basics by enough that you can that you [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► can really really dramatically improve [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the core functionality like if you just [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► improve the speed of the hardware and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the power efficiency [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► I you know not even like you know you [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► don't even have to like quadruple them [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► just like you know improve them by a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► double-digit percentage and that can [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► translate to real real game I i would [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► not say that you can look at this object [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► and say oh you know what this is good [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► enough for two years we don't need to [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► update it no it's not good enough yet [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► and maybe in a few years we'll get there [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► but we're not there yet and there's it [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► really needs a lot of help to be a [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► really good object [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► besides just having cool bands anyway [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► and you're watching six months with [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► facetime camera right in something like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► that of god I hope not [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► I i we need to move on but I don't know [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► if it's really fair to just say that oh [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► this design can't work for two years I [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► mean how long has rolex looked about the [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► same to someone like me doesn't really [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► tell the my new differences between them [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► all panelized I've ever seen look the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► same to me every 911 is the same days [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► since the beginning of time the 911 are [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► not the same [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► they're the same yeah at Apple's not [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► rolex panerai and Portia and also [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► there's a lot of Rolexes and pan arise [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► and they have gone in and out of fashion [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► overtime [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► yeah I mean I'm not saying that this [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► should be the forever look but i think [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► to say that it with that it it will [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► absolutely timeout so to speak in the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► next two years [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► I don't know if that's really ferryman [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► end up that you're right but I don't [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► know if it's if we can really see that [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► now and then having these bands changing [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► constantly is a good thing like you said [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► and I wanted to also quickly say that [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► I've been very impressed with the web [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► presence for the watch since the [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► beginning the way they did the bands [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► like the kind of animations of them [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► clasping and unclasping or whatever you [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► call it and i really like this new [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► gallery that they have where you can [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► select what case you would like to look [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► at the bike kind of scrolling left and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► right and then you can scroll left and [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► right to figure out what bands you like [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► and then they have all three phases as [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► well but i really do like this new web [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► presence i wish they have prices on here [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► but I think it's the new galleries [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► really well done there's something to be [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► said for that yet no I mean up and say I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► think they are nailing it on the band's [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► the bands are awesome and they continue [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► to be awesome and they always have been [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► awesome from day one like apples bands [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► are awesome but the rest of the watch [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► also needs a lot of help and it's so far [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► we've seen almost none could this be a [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► band seller for other [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► just wow it did get a price cut so [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► there's that [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► what did they talk about next TV OS got [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► an update i don't really have a lot to [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► say about that don't you guys have [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► anything that we get the dialects it'll [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► be quick so they put up the the future [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► of TV is apps and keep saying that maybe [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► will be true it would be nice if they [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► got a subscription plan nose was [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► different streaming plan this time 5,000 [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► TV apps they have I wonder how many of [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► those are games it's fine you can do [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► folders which seems weird but I suppose [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► you know it's a I wish I kind of wish [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► there was a nice way to arrange icons on [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► the screen that I want to use that silly [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► remote Syria expanded to do all the [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► things that we thought it should be done [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► in the beginning as in let you dictate [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► all those weird like you can dictate [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► your passwords but I don't dictate my [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► passwords in it in the word and in the [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► same room with like that my kids are in [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► because they're just like memorize it [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► and buy things or something you know but [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► anyway that's good and expanded Syria to [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► search more applications so this is our [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► all you know it's nice to see that the [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► apple TV at least on the software front [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► is getting steady updates there's still [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► a team working on it that is not just [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► sitting there and languishing iCloud [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► photo library again we all thought that [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► should have been there in the beginning [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► and never said that it wasn't and now it [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► is i have to say having tried it the [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► performance is not great i enabled it i [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► logged in with an apple ID and then i [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► went to my favorites album and looked up [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► a bunch of blank thumbnails for a really [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► long time i tried to scroll around as [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► the thumbnail started to appeared as and [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► I saw a cute picture that i wanted to [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► show every time I scrolled around to it [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► with my remote and press the button when [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► that picture was totally highlighted it [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► was like the one that was big and coming [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► out at you it would open a different [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► picture is driving me nuts so their [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► collections you as we is weird and buggy [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► and to this day when i go to iCloud [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► photos and go into my favorite [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► collection it's just a bunch of blank [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► thumbnails with a couple random ones [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► filled in so like how long do I have to [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► wait for it to appear [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► it's not looking great and I'm glad it's [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► getting updates yeah and I really have [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► come to love my new apple TV now [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► admittedly i use basically plex netflix [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► and music on it like the the Apple music [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► app i would kill first Native spotify [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► app but I mean I even for those very few [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► limited uses it's actually kind of same [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► story I had with my watch earlier for [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► those limited you [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► says I really really love it and and i'm [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► happy with the way it is today so I mean [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► improvements are good of those 5,000 [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► apps I feel like I've used about 10 of [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► them to try to stream video like I mean [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I guess it's good that i have options i [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► just go through all of them and find out [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► in what ways they fail to fulfill my you [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► know silly lossless playback of blu-ray [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► things but there is such variety in [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► terms like what i was using fused es [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► video that some other video one plex [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► itself like all these different apps to [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► try to see how will you be able to place [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► will you play it back when you try to [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► transfer to what audio leave they'll be [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► all this one only exposes stereo this [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► one exposed the ac3 be converted to PCM [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► this most and III directly to my thing [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► and of course none of them do 24 frames [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► per second kids anyway and I do is the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► one going through the wraps the apps [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► that are there but it said when I still [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► can't find wanted to fill my needs [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► i'm so happy i don't care about video as [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► much as you do it's okay in the end [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► hey man stereo forever [TS]

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