The Accidental Tech Podcast

161: Dark Mode Is Your Hat


00:00:00   never gone back recently to to attract [TS]

00:00:02   by that actually has a button like a [TS]

00:00:03   separate button area that you can't just [TS]

00:00:05   like the whole thing ever spent was that [TS]

00:00:07   the one we added that the non unibody [TS]

00:00:08   macbook pro the button had been so [TS]

00:00:12   filled with child filth that it would [TS]

00:00:14   like it was like not click down Linkin [TS]

00:00:16   knocked down like physically would know [TS]

00:00:19   yeah yeah so I guess that won't happen [TS]

00:00:21   with the four strategies let's get out [TS]

00:00:22   like an even crust of disgusting as a [TS]

00:00:24   kids are grossmont so we should do a [TS]

00:00:29   little bit of follow-up in one of you [TS]

00:00:30   wants to talk about cellular service on [TS]

00:00:32   max a couple of listeners because we [TS]

00:00:35   talked a lot about the mac class show [TS]

00:00:37   the viability of the mac whether it's [TS]

00:00:39   going to be replaced by the ipad if it's [TS]

00:00:42   dead platform all that stuff and [TS]

00:00:44   multiple people asked us about a topic [TS]

00:00:47   that has come up in the show before but [TS]

00:00:49   didn't come up on the last episode is [TS]

00:00:51   related to the question of another case [TS]

00:00:53   he was talking about this how you can go [TS]

00:00:55   anywhere with an ipad and do anything [TS]

00:00:58   because it's got a cellular connection [TS]

00:00:59   and it's got Wi-Fi and its kind of [TS]

00:01:01   all-in-one yeah if you have a laptop you [TS]

00:01:03   can tether it but then you also need [TS]

00:01:04   your phone and your drain your phone's [TS]

00:01:05   battery and didn't take the next step [TS]

00:01:08   and talk about the topic the evergreen [TS]

00:01:10   topic of why do max not have cellular [TS]

00:01:14   connections what is it like these a lot [TS]

00:01:16   of people think that would make the mac [TS]

00:01:18   a stronger competitor to even the pro [TS]

00:01:20   iPads especially now that Max is very [TS]

00:01:22   small you could have a macbook one [TS]

00:01:23   second generation macbook one with [TS]

00:01:25   better battery life a faster cpu and a [TS]

00:01:29   cellular connection that would surely [TS]

00:01:31   give a an ipad pro or run for its money [TS]

00:01:35   as that single lightweight machine that [TS]

00:01:38   you can take everywhere and work from [TS]

00:01:39   anywhere with why is it the max after [TS]

00:01:42   all this time don't have cellular and [TS]

00:01:44   I've ever seem to recall the last time [TS]

00:01:45   we talked about it we didn't really we [TS]

00:01:47   had some vague ideas but at this point [TS]

00:01:50   years later I think most are vague ideas [TS]

00:01:53   like well they want to reserve that for [TS]

00:01:54   the phone I think you should use your [TS]

00:01:56   phone that was like now now what's the [TS]

00:01:58   excuse so I think that the problem apple [TS]

00:02:00   has with putting cellular modem in and [TS]

00:02:04   in a macbook or macbook pros twofold one [TS]

00:02:06   it's more things to take up space and [TS]

00:02:09   actually come to think of battery life [TS]

00:02:11   you know things have to get everything [TS]

00:02:12   her [TS]

00:02:13   so we seem to think any way into why [TS]

00:02:16   would you not have an iphone with you [TS]

00:02:18   have iphone you have a way to tether it [TS]

00:02:21   to your Mac why would you ever need an [TS]

00:02:24   onboard connection on your Mac now of [TS]

00:02:26   course this argument falls completely on [TS]

00:02:28   its face when you point out well there's [TS]

00:02:30   iPads with cellular connections in fact [TS]

00:02:32   KC you have an iPad with the cellular [TS]

00:02:34   connection and I have an ipad with the [TS]

00:02:36   cellular connections because i don't [TS]

00:02:37   want to have to tether to my phone [TS]

00:02:39   anytime I want to get online outside of [TS]

00:02:40   the house [TS]

00:02:41   not when i'm not near Wi-Fi so I i don't [TS]

00:02:45   know that i would buy a mac that had a [TS]

00:02:47   cellular connection but it certainly is [TS]

00:02:48   appealing and it certainly would make me [TS]

00:02:52   think twice about an ipad pro if I was [TS]

00:02:55   trying to like decide between an ipad [TS]

00:02:57   pro with cellular or say a macbook one [TS]

00:03:00   with cellular and Marco how do you think [TS]

00:03:01   about it i would love a macbook with [TS]

00:03:04   cellular I would absolutely love it but [TS]

00:03:06   as we discussed you know years ago my [TS]

00:03:09   first cover this topic I think nothing [TS]

00:03:10   can really change in the way that the [TS]

00:03:12   the software environment on the mac is [TS]

00:03:15   designed in most cases most of the apps [TS]

00:03:18   designed the system services are [TS]

00:03:19   designed to assume they're on Wi-Fi all [TS]

00:03:22   the time and to assume they can use [TS]

00:03:24   large amounts of bandwidth this is the [TS]

00:03:26   system update or would you know that [TS]

00:03:27   could download an update that's hundreds [TS]

00:03:29   of mex itunes they can background [TS]

00:03:31   download new episodes of TV shows that [TS]

00:03:33   you buy stuff like that and grant a lot [TS]

00:03:35   of these things are things that may be [TS]

00:03:36   fading out of favor but they still [TS]

00:03:38   happen you have all sorts of you know [TS]

00:03:41   software updates happening all the time [TS]

00:03:42   the background matically and not just [TS]

00:03:44   from Apple could be you know adobe [TS]

00:03:46   updater and everything too [TS]

00:03:48   there's a there's so much stuff on the [TS]

00:03:51   mac environment that assumes that can [TS]

00:03:53   just did it assumes that if it has a [TS]

00:03:55   connection it can download large chunks [TS]

00:03:57   of data in the hundreds of Meg's range [TS]

00:03:59   and and there there was changing the [TS]

00:04:01   api's I think with mountain lion it was [TS]

00:04:04   i think it was around mountain lion time [TS]

00:04:06   when they when they moved to nsurl [TS]

00:04:08   session where a unified the API between [TS]

00:04:11   iOS and and mac and nsurl session has [TS]

00:04:14   has a company's global flags on session [TS]

00:04:16   for you can say you know on any [TS]

00:04:18   connection i run in this session allow [TS]

00:04:20   or don't allow cellular access so if the [TS]

00:04:24   connection is cellular you could you [TS]

00:04:25   know you as the ad maker kind of [TS]

00:04:27   opt out of using it or opt into using it [TS]

00:04:29   if you wanted to you could say like you [TS]

00:04:32   know if something is important like if [TS]

00:04:34   you like human twitter app and you're [TS]

00:04:36   trying to fetch the timeline used you [TS]

00:04:38   cited for that because that's probably [TS]

00:04:39   the user wants but if you're checking a [TS]

00:04:41   background update to see if there's any [TS]

00:04:43   updates to your app if your Adobe then [TS]

00:04:45   maybe wait for waiting to Wi-Fi for that [TS]

00:04:48   so that system has been there for a few [TS]

00:04:49   years but the reality is i don't think [TS]

00:04:52   any lapse meaningfully are really using [TS]

00:04:54   it especially since there's no reason to [TS]

00:04:55   the videos it because there are no sir [TS]

00:04:57   max so so unfortunately I just think the [TS]

00:05:02   the software environment is is so [TS]

00:05:04   wasteful of data by default that I think [TS]

00:05:07   it would just result in way too much [TS]

00:05:08   data usage and I think you know Apple [TS]

00:05:10   probably noticed that too and also you [TS]

00:05:13   know on iOS you have the app store and a [TS]

00:05:15   preview to enforce that into monitor [TS]

00:05:17   that and that's a preview does monitor [TS]

00:05:19   for excessive bandwidth users they have [TS]

00:05:21   certain certain measures like you can't [TS]

00:05:23   use more than X megabytes index minutes [TS]

00:05:25   unless the user streaming media or [TS]

00:05:26   something like that you know there's [TS]

00:05:27   there are certain limits that they at [TS]

00:05:29   least used to monitor for they probably [TS]

00:05:31   still do anyway all that is to say that [TS]

00:05:33   you know it on the mac you don't really [TS]

00:05:34   have the software environment conducive [TS]

00:05:37   to sipping data carefully when you're on [TS]

00:05:40   cellular you know it's funny you bring [TS]

00:05:43   that up i agree with you but have you [TS]

00:05:45   used trip mode [TS]

00:05:46   have you heard about this I have it is [TS]

00:05:48   that some kind of little fire off a [TS]

00:05:49   little miniature what as sorta kinda I [TS]

00:05:52   think that might have been Jason's smell [TS]

00:05:54   that turned me onto this I forget [TS]

00:05:55   exactly who it was but the tagline for [TS]

00:05:58   this app is your mobile data Savior and [TS]

00:06:01   it is not only for the mac it also works [TS]

00:06:04   on windows and what it basically does is [TS]

00:06:06   when it detects that you're tethered or [TS]

00:06:09   on some other sort of low bandwidth [TS]

00:06:13   connection it will flip into a different [TS]

00:06:16   mode where it will prevent every app [TS]

00:06:19   from getting to the internet except the [TS]

00:06:20   ones you whitelist and it'll also keep [TS]

00:06:23   track of how much data each of these [TS]

00:06:25   apps is using and so I have this [TS]

00:06:27   installed on my laptop because on the [TS]

00:06:30   rare occasions that i do together [TS]

00:06:32   I even though i have a crudload of data [TS]

00:06:34   way more than I would ever use in a [TS]

00:06:35   month I still want to be sure that i'm [TS]

00:06:38   not doing something like I don't know if [TS]

00:06:39   downloading an episode [TS]

00:06:40   mad men right Marco mm I don't buy any [TS]

00:06:45   of these excuses because we're so much [TS]

00:06:47   farther down the road like in the [TS]

00:06:49   beginning when you know cellular was [TS]

00:06:50   just coming to iPads and Apple's first [TS]

00:06:53   making iphone sure but as Mark pointed [TS]

00:06:55   out they added this so the beginnings [TS]

00:06:57   api's long time ago [TS]

00:06:59   it's a problem for Apple to solve for [TS]

00:07:01   sure but it can be solved like it's all [TS]

00:07:03   it takes is some new software and you [TS]

00:07:06   know like it [TS]

00:07:07   the trip mode thing is a great example [TS]

00:07:08   like they're not even the OS maker Apple [TS]

00:07:10   could implement something like that or a [TS]

00:07:12   new set of api's or make it oftener like [TS]

00:07:14   this is there problem solved same thing [TS]

00:07:16   with space in the case same thing with [TS]

00:07:17   battery life like we have the technology [TS]

00:07:20   we can rebuild it like this is the thing [TS]

00:07:23   that we could actually do [TS]

00:07:24   I'm and you say all but it's so hard [TS]

00:07:26   it's gonna take a long time yeah but [TS]

00:07:28   it's been a long time and so it's like [TS]

00:07:29   have you have you been working on this [TS]

00:07:31   for three years are you just like well [TS]

00:07:33   it will always be impossible we should [TS]

00:07:35   never even try it like because it's just [TS]

00:07:36   every time it comes up we all say you [TS]

00:07:40   know not that they all have to have [TS]

00:07:41   cellular right but one model pick one [TS]

00:07:44   model to be like the bring this mac [TS]

00:07:46   everywhere with you and you will be able [TS]

00:07:49   to get online everywhere and we know [TS]

00:07:51   most people aren't gonna buy it because [TS]

00:07:52   who wants to pay for just like people [TS]

00:07:53   most people don't buy salad or iPads [TS]

00:07:55   because who wants to pay for another [TS]

00:07:56   cell connection or whatever added you [TS]

00:07:58   right but you know surely it has enough [TS]

00:08:02   utility that if the they were paying [TS]

00:08:03   more attention to the mac line they [TS]

00:08:05   would say we can we can sell this this [TS]

00:08:08   is this is a value add feature people [TS]

00:08:10   will pay more for it will make the [TS]

00:08:11   product more attractive would they sell [TS]

00:08:14   more cellular max percentage wise and I [TS]

00:08:17   do sell your iPad's probably not we'll [TS]

00:08:19   probably less than I bet the percentage [TS]

00:08:20   of selling ipads is super low anyway but [TS]

00:08:22   they keep making them because for the [TS]

00:08:24   people who use them they love them [TS]

00:08:25   imagine if you said you know what I pads [TS]

00:08:28   are going to have cellular anymore just [TS]

00:08:29   tell it to your phone [TS]

00:08:29   people would be pissed because they're [TS]

00:08:32   used to that feature and it took a lot [TS]

00:08:34   to get you know the cell phone feature [TS]

00:08:37   on iPads and i was working with all [TS]

00:08:39   these different API I don't know I feel [TS]

00:08:40   like after so many years any excuse you [TS]

00:08:43   had about how difficult it might be it [TS]

00:08:45   now changes into an excuse of like I [TS]

00:08:48   guess you just didn't decide it was [TS]

00:08:49   important because now enough time has [TS]

00:08:50   passed that if you had decided it was [TS]

00:08:52   important to be three years into the [TS]

00:08:53   transition [TS]

00:08:53   period and we'd be well on our way for [TS]

00:08:56   us to it being a thing and when I did [TS]

00:08:58   that new API thought all this is the [TS]

00:08:59   beginning like a few more years and you [TS]

00:09:01   know they'll have this rolled out but i [TS]

00:09:04   guess they just don't think there's [TS]

00:09:05   enough of a market for it to justify you [TS]

00:09:09   know that all the time and expense of [TS]

00:09:11   changing the API is everything like that [TS]

00:09:12   and I just just seems like another [TS]

00:09:14   missed opportunity on the mac or if the [TS]

00:09:15   mac was selling much better and making [TS]

00:09:17   them much more money or have more growth [TS]

00:09:19   potential some combination of those they [TS]

00:09:21   would this would be an obvious thing in [TS]

00:09:23   the same way that larger iPads and a [TS]

00:09:25   stylist Rodriguez and iPads but Apple [TS]

00:09:26   didn't pull the trigger on that for many [TS]

00:09:29   many years and the ipad apple certain [TS]

00:09:32   things that has more growth potential [TS]

00:09:33   than the magnet seem so anyway I'm said [TS]

00:09:35   this don't know cellular max although i [TS]

00:09:38   don't expect any at the upcoming apple [TS]

00:09:39   event which we'll talk about a little [TS]

00:09:40   later [TS]

00:09:41   yeah and real-time followed from the [TS]

00:09:43   chat room from the white box in the chat [TS]

00:09:44   room and this person reminded me of the [TS]

00:09:48   photos of the prototype macbook pro with [TS]

00:09:50   an integrated 3g cellular modem this is [TS]

00:09:53   for mac rumors and 2011 and it's a [TS]

00:09:56   really kind of weird-looking it looks [TS]

00:09:59   like a macbook pro but it has like an [TS]

00:10:00   extendable intent on the side of the [TS]

00:10:02   screen will put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:10:03   you know I i mean i've been using [TS]

00:10:05   tethering on laptops while traveling for [TS]

00:10:09   10 years now literally like I was going [TS]

00:10:11   through our pictures earlier government [TS]

00:10:13   i'm doing i'm going to come by tomorrow [TS]

00:10:15   to kind of give a quick little talk [TS]

00:10:16   about like the history and I was going [TS]

00:10:18   through pictures and literally 10 years [TS]

00:10:20   ago I have a picture of me using a [TS]

00:10:22   macbook with a cellular modem plugged [TS]

00:10:24   into the scientifically little USB thing [TS]

00:10:26   and and before that i was using [TS]

00:10:28   bluetooth tethering with my old motorola [TS]

00:10:30   flip phone and you know tethering is [TS]

00:10:33   awesome on laptops like if you have a [TS]

00:10:35   laptop you probably want this if you [TS]

00:10:37   ever use it out and about if you ever [TS]

00:10:39   use it while traveling or if you work in [TS]

00:10:40   coffee shops or whatever you know that [TS]

00:10:42   the dream of ubiquitous Wi-Fi never [TS]

00:10:44   really came true and everyone thought [TS]

00:10:45   those cities just be covered and Wi-Fi [TS]

00:10:47   everywhere there is Wi-Fi and it turns [TS]

00:10:49   out maybe like 20 maybe 25 places you go [TS]

00:10:51   to Wi-Fi and it might suck and it might [TS]

00:10:53   be insecure which is a big problem these [TS]

00:10:55   days and you know it might be slow might [TS]

00:10:57   be metered but the dream of this like [TS]

00:10:59   free ubiquitous everywhere coverage and [TS]

00:11:03   no security problems and always fast [TS]

00:11:05   Wi-Fi just never came true [TS]

00:11:07   there's so many reasons to tether and to [TS]

00:11:10   use your own cellular connections and as [TS]

00:11:13   time goes on those reasons just increase [TS]

00:11:15   as we get more and more mobile laptop to [TS]

00:11:17   keep getting smaller and even more [TS]

00:11:19   compelling to bring with you if you're [TS]

00:11:21   going somewhere you want to get [TS]

00:11:22   something done on a laptop you know [TS]

00:11:23   especially like you will you look at the [TS]

00:11:24   macbook one or the upcoming scarlet [TS]

00:11:27   macbook pros will talk about soon you [TS]

00:11:29   know these things keep getting smaller [TS]

00:11:30   and better and cellular connections keep [TS]

00:11:33   getting faster and you know that we do [TS]

00:11:35   have data caps these days but we also [TS]

00:11:37   have now these pool data plans you can [TS]

00:11:39   like add another device for twenty bucks [TS]

00:11:42   a month like back 10 years ago i was [TS]

00:11:44   paying 60 bucks a month for that cell [TS]

00:11:45   modem and now you can get them for [TS]

00:11:47   twenty bucks a month i just added to [TS]

00:11:48   your existing plan or whatever so like [TS]

00:11:51   it seems like this would be the time to [TS]

00:11:53   do that if for some reason that time [TS]

00:11:55   hasn't come yet might as well do it now [TS]

00:11:56   right but it just doesn't seem like [TS]

00:11:58   apple doesn't care and it seems like [TS]

00:12:00   this is something they they obviously [TS]

00:12:02   did prototype it [TS]

00:12:03   they obviously decided not to do it and [TS]

00:12:05   you know John I think you're right like [TS]

00:12:06   if they if they wanted to do this on the [TS]

00:12:09   mac they could the fact is you know the [TS]

00:12:11   software environment isn't there for it [TS]

00:12:13   now but yeah they've had 10 years to [TS]

00:12:15   work on it and they pretty much haven't [TS]

00:12:18   so that does make me sad and i will keep [TS]

00:12:21   tethering and I and that I can't just [TS]

00:12:24   feel like if your sexual weird hacks [TS]

00:12:25   together because tethering doesn't [TS]

00:12:27   actually work that well in in practice [TS]

00:12:30   like it once you plug in its fine but [TS]

00:12:32   like if you're if you're doing anything [TS]

00:12:33   besides a USB connection it is always a [TS]

00:12:36   little bit flaky plus not to mention [TS]

00:12:38   that drains your phone battery that's [TS]

00:12:40   like so many reasons not to tether or [TS]

00:12:43   together over cable only which is clunky [TS]

00:12:45   so it does make me sad that we probably [TS]

00:12:48   won't see this for max because I think [TS]

00:12:50   if they I think they can justify it for [TS]

00:12:52   the ipad might as well do it for max to [TS]

00:12:55   well all those prototypes that they made [TS]

00:12:58   you know the 2011 pictures or whatever [TS]

00:13:00   like what they learned from those first [TS]

00:13:01   efforts is all the things we talked [TS]

00:13:03   about like Oh use a lot of data is our [TS]

00:13:04   environment not set up for this and and [TS]

00:13:06   drains our battery morn or whatever and [TS]

00:13:09   all that does is let you know how much [TS]

00:13:11   is it what is it going to take to do [TS]

00:13:12   this and then they they do the [TS]

00:13:14   calculation this is what it's going to [TS]

00:13:15   take this is the potential upside and I [TS]

00:13:17   just keep saying no [TS]

00:13:18   and you know and again it's like I said [TS]

00:13:19   if the max old more there was more of an [TS]

00:13:20   upside if they felt like there was more [TS]

00:13:22   demand like a million combinations [TS]

00:13:24   because you could say oh there's more [TS]

00:13:25   demand they would do it but also if they [TS]

00:13:27   sold 20 times many max because that [TS]

00:13:28   would increase the number of cell [TS]

00:13:30   assuming the demand is proportional [TS]

00:13:31   right then that would [TS]

00:13:33   did you know there's just so many [TS]

00:13:34   factors that are working against them [TS]

00:13:35   doing it but it the longer time goes on [TS]

00:13:37   the more kind of stands out to me as a [TS]

00:13:40   weirdness because eventually you would [TS]

00:13:43   hope that the battery costs and the size [TS]

00:13:45   cost of whatever of doing cellular would [TS]

00:13:48   be there decreasing as a proportion of [TS]

00:13:50   the overall available [TS]

00:13:52   you know I mean I guess you can't do [TS]

00:13:54   that degrees transmitted across that [TS]

00:13:55   much got to reach the tower and [TS]

00:13:56   everything but all the other associated [TS]

00:13:58   stuff [TS]

00:13:59   how big is the chip you have to put in [TS]

00:14:00   there how much power is that ship take [TS]

00:14:01   how much room does it take how much does [TS]

00:14:04   it cost like all those other factors [TS]

00:14:06   time should be on your side and [TS]

00:14:08   eventually it should be like this i mean [TS]

00:14:11   like when they added the FM radio with [TS]

00:14:12   the ipod you know what I put the hell [TS]

00:14:14   throw it in there but you know this man [TS]

00:14:16   is a software part of it that they're [TS]

00:14:18   obviously behind them but you know the [TS]

00:14:19   other thing that can help they're like [TS]

00:14:20   mark was talking about what if the the [TS]

00:14:23   cost of cellular connections and data [TS]

00:14:25   continues to go down and five ten years [TS]

00:14:27   from now [TS]

00:14:28   unlimited data connections are standard [TS]

00:14:30   and you don't pay a lot for them and it [TS]

00:14:32   costs nothing to add and it's like it [TS]

00:14:34   just seems like it's got to happen [TS]

00:14:34   eventually or the mac just go away [TS]

00:14:36   entirely I'm anyway i miss it and i [TS]

00:14:39   would buy one [TS]

00:14:40   I totally don't buy any argument that [TS]

00:14:42   it's a hardware limitation or that it [TS]

00:14:43   would be too costly in the hardware [TS]

00:14:44   because the ipad is it is the biggest [TS]

00:14:47   counterexample you if you if they can [TS]

00:14:48   offer it in the ipad since 2010 430 [TS]

00:14:53   dollar premium then certainly they can [TS]

00:14:55   offer it in the higher-priced larger and [TS]

00:14:59   bigger battery macbook pro line like [TS]

00:15:01   there's no reason why if it's if it's in [TS]

00:15:03   the iPad you can totally do it in the [TS]

00:15:07   macbooks I mean stands to reason I don't [TS]

00:15:09   know enough about the hardware but it [TS]

00:15:11   certainly stands to reason my head that [TS]

00:15:12   that's the case [TS]

00:15:13   pc manufacturers also offer this like [TS]

00:15:16   this is not it's not like it's not like [TS]

00:15:17   no one's ever done before like you you [TS]

00:15:19   can buy a thinkpad with a cell [TS]

00:15:21   connection it for like also about 10 [TS]

00:15:23   years think it's like it can be done [TS]

00:15:25   they just have chosen not to do it and [TS]

00:15:28   that I think is unfortunately i wish [TS]

00:15:30   they offered that [TS]

00:15:31   and I think they could charge to get a [TS]

00:15:33   good premium for maybe two hundred bucks [TS]

00:15:34   I easily pay 200 bucks more we'll see I [TS]

00:15:37   I don't have high hopes for that [TS]

00:15:39   honestly enough now moving on we got a [TS]

00:15:42   really interesting reminder from 8-10 [TS]

00:15:45   showman who wrote in to remind us that [TS]

00:15:48   in February 2015 it was discovered that [TS]

00:15:52   the new Photos app contains something [TS]

00:15:54   called ux kit and we'll put a couple [TS]

00:15:57   links in the show notes 12 Jason all 6 [TS]

00:15:59   colors and one to offer to the showbread [TS]

00:16:01   Simmons blog it appears that it's [TS]

00:16:04   basically a real implementation of UI [TS]

00:16:07   kit which is what's used to build apps [TS]

00:16:09   on the iphone on top of App kit which is [TS]

00:16:13   what's used to write apps on the mac and [TS]

00:16:16   it's an interesting thing to think about [TS]

00:16:18   well you know as as these platforms you [TS]

00:16:22   know kind of crawl ever closer to one [TS]

00:16:24   another do we think it maybe this will [TS]

00:16:26   be a new thing that maybe for example at [TS]

00:16:29   WTC this year maybe apple released ux [TS]

00:16:32   kit and make it easier for people like [TS]

00:16:33   Marco who don't really write mac apps to [TS]

00:16:36   write an app on the mac by using API [TS]

00:16:39   that's familiar to him I think we talked [TS]

00:16:41   about this at the time i think that that [TS]

00:16:44   time brent supposed also commands like [TS]

00:16:46   the the consensus then I still think [TS]

00:16:47   it's the same now which is that when we [TS]

00:16:49   all saw photos and these other apps that [TS]

00:16:51   looks so much like their iOS [TS]

00:16:52   counterparts it stands to reason at all [TS]

00:16:54   but a lot of people would say oh all [TS]

00:16:56   they did was pour the iOS applications [TS]

00:16:58   to the mac and sort of magnified them a [TS]

00:17:00   little bit and so many things number [TS]

00:17:01   similar and UX kid is kind of like well [TS]

00:17:03   we know they had a Photos app on iOS and [TS]

00:17:06   we know this one [TS]

00:17:08   visually and structurally is very [TS]

00:17:09   similar to that and so it stands to [TS]

00:17:11   reason that if they wanted to make the [TS]

00:17:14   development of the iphoto replacement [TS]

00:17:16   faster they could say is there some way [TS]

00:17:18   that we can reuse if not the code [TS]

00:17:22   directly then at the very least some of [TS]

00:17:23   the structure of the application and [TS]

00:17:26   some of the knowledge or whatever like [TS]

00:17:27   is there a way that we can take an iOS [TS]

00:17:30   application and you know even if you're [TS]

00:17:32   just using the sort of big box diagram [TS]

00:17:35   how the pieces fit together and what the [TS]

00:17:36   class names aren't everything I can we [TS]

00:17:38   do that well you could have this ux good [TS]

00:17:39   thing which is kind of like a UI kit [TS]

00:17:41   like wrapper on top of App get so [TS]

00:17:43   that the mac looks a little bit more [TS]

00:17:45   like iOS from the perspective of this [TS]

00:17:47   code you're writing but you would only [TS]

00:17:49   do it if you are coming from that [TS]

00:17:51   direction and Brent Simmons uh post is [TS]

00:17:54   also the skeptical about the idea that [TS]

00:17:56   this would ever be a thing that they [TS]

00:17:57   would throw out to developers it's hard [TS]

00:17:59   to tell because very often Apple does [TS]

00:18:01   dog food its own [TS]

00:18:03   ap is first in its own applications in [TS]

00:18:05   like a year later at wwc like oh here [TS]

00:18:08   you go and they don't mention that going [TS]

00:18:09   by the way we've been using this for a [TS]

00:18:10   year two years in our own applications [TS]

00:18:12   to sort of work out the kinks but [TS]

00:18:14   they've done so many other technology [TS]

00:18:15   but then again there are other things [TS]

00:18:16   that they use their applications they [TS]

00:18:18   never offer up like the pro kit [TS]

00:18:20   framework which they use for aperture [TS]

00:18:21   back in the day and think final cut pro [TS]

00:18:24   would like that the weird small dark [TS]

00:18:26   colored widgets and like those things [TS]

00:18:28   were all there was a pro kit framework [TS]

00:18:29   they would if you have those apps [TS]

00:18:31   installed would occasionally get updates [TS]

00:18:32   we are very lucky they didn't offer that [TS]

00:18:34   for anybody else to use well I mean it [TS]

00:18:36   wasn't like it was the last thing the [TS]

00:18:37   world needs more pro-kit apps they they [TS]

00:18:40   didn't just build one happen like oh we [TS]

00:18:42   had this weird code base into this thing [TS]

00:18:43   they build multiple apps on it but it [TS]

00:18:46   never graduated to level of which i [TS]

00:18:48   assume that was also you know are either [TS]

00:18:49   wrapper on top of App kit or its own [TS]

00:18:51   weird thing but it never came out into [TS]

00:18:53   public so I i still think there is room [TS]

00:18:56   as it's marketed by the last time for [TS]

00:18:59   Apple to introduce something that makes [TS]

00:19:01   it easier for people with uikit either [TS]

00:19:04   code or expertise or both to make mac [TS]

00:19:07   apps but I don't know if you excavated [TS]

00:19:09   kid is it maybe you execute is one [TS]

00:19:12   attempt at what that might be like and [TS]

00:19:13   remember the guys icon factory did that [TS]

00:19:16   chameleon framework which was another [TS]

00:19:17   sort of thing where yeah it's a real [TS]

00:19:19   implementation of the UI kpi on top of [TS]

00:19:22   the mac to help them because they had [TS]

00:19:23   uikit applications that they wanted to [TS]

00:19:25   bring to the mac all those things are [TS]

00:19:28   like that they're kind of technical [TS]

00:19:30   marvels that they work at all but when [TS]

00:19:32   you start to suggest the idea that this [TS]

00:19:34   would be like the one recommended way to [TS]

00:19:37   make mac apps like Apple would say hey [TS]

00:19:39   you should use this to make mac apps [TS]

00:19:40   like I don't think I want to muddy the [TS]

00:19:42   water thing I want to have a clearer [TS]

00:19:43   answer and especially with Swift in the [TS]

00:19:45   mix now i'm not entirely sure the Apple [TS]

00:19:47   is ready to to come out with something [TS]

00:19:51   that will help iOS developers a right [TS]

00:19:54   Mac apps better whether they think it's [TS]

00:19:56   even again same thing with like [TS]

00:19:57   investment like yeah they could do it [TS]

00:19:59   they could do lots of different things [TS]

00:20:00   here but is it worth the investment they [TS]

00:20:02   would take a lot of the developers and [TS]

00:20:04   it would be difficult to do and what [TS]

00:20:06   would our payoff be so obviously for [TS]

00:20:09   their own internal applications they [TS]

00:20:10   decided it was worth it and I'm and so [TS]

00:20:12   they got us kid and they'll probably use [TS]

00:20:13   it and if it's not already using [TS]

00:20:15   multiple places that might be used in [TS]

00:20:16   other places going forward as a way to [TS]

00:20:18   make it cheaper for Apple to bring [TS]

00:20:20   quote-unquote new applications to the [TS]

00:20:22   mac you're helping them take the you [TS]

00:20:23   know expertise and maybe some of the [TS]

00:20:25   code from iOS and bring it over to Matt [TS]

00:20:26   Capps but i'm not sure they're ready to [TS]

00:20:28   offer that to the public [TS]

00:20:30   you know as as you were bringing up [TS]

00:20:32   chameleon i was about to bring it up [TS]

00:20:34   myself and so I went and dug up the [TS]

00:20:36   github page for last commit was May 16 [TS]

00:20:39   2014 when it comes to this kind of in a [TS]

00:20:42   major platform development framework I [TS]

00:20:44   mean this is like this is long terms of [TS]

00:20:46   this is these are things that last 10 20 [TS]

00:20:48   years [TS]

00:20:48   Apple's a very patient company when it [TS]

00:20:50   comes to things like this so i am with [TS]

00:20:53   lots of examples very patient honestly [TS]

00:20:54   but in this kind of scenario like that [TS]

00:20:57   the transition to Swift I think it's [TS]

00:20:58   very very important here and also with [TS]

00:21:00   figure like where's Mac os10 going as we [TS]

00:21:02   discussed last week you know if they are [TS]

00:21:04   planning on some like major [TS]

00:21:07   next-generation Mac operating system [TS]

00:21:09   that's going to be a major departure [TS]

00:21:10   from OS 10 as we know it today they'll [TS]

00:21:13   just wait till they do that be like [TS]

00:21:15   they're not going to make a new OS 10 [TS]

00:21:16   framework now they'll just wait until [TS]

00:21:18   that comes and do it on that same thing [TS]

00:21:20   like if they're gonna do something major [TS]

00:21:21   with reconsidering abdur uikit with [TS]

00:21:25   Swift and and with with more and more [TS]

00:21:26   swifty model if they're going to be [TS]

00:21:29   doing that in time in the next 5-10 [TS]

00:21:31   years they'll wait for that you know [TS]

00:21:33   they're not gonna do something in the [TS]

00:21:34   meantime that is like I can't imagine [TS]

00:21:36   that investing tons of time and effort [TS]

00:21:38   into a brand-new objective-c and Swift [TS]

00:21:42   UI framework for the mac today like that [TS]

00:21:45   I just don't see that at all if if they [TS]

00:21:47   have to do something more elegant but [TS]

00:21:50   there if they wanted more elegant but [TS]

00:21:51   they have to wait five more years to do [TS]

00:21:53   it they'll just wait let's talk about [TS]

00:21:55   something that's awesome and celebrate a [TS]

00:21:56   little bit all right speaking of the mac [TS]

00:21:59   if you are a Mac Developer and you want [TS]

00:22:01   to sell outside the mac app store our [TS]

00:22:03   first sponsor today [TS]

00:22:05   is def mate definitely let you sell mac [TS]

00:22:07   apps outside of the mac app store and [TS]

00:22:09   integrates a whole bunch of services so [TS]

00:22:11   that you don't so it kind of gives you a [TS]

00:22:13   lot of the benefits of selling the mac [TS]

00:22:15   app store is a Mac Developer but without [TS]

00:22:17   having to actually be in the mac app [TS]

00:22:18   store so you and I was honestly i was [TS]

00:22:21   looking at making a little backup not [TS]

00:22:22   overcast but maybe making a little mac [TS]

00:22:24   app a little utility thing [TS]

00:22:26   sorry Casey was looking at it and I [TS]

00:22:28   honestly I don't want to have to deal [TS]

00:22:31   with payment processing and I don't have [TS]

00:22:32   to deal with like building in an auto [TS]

00:22:35   updater and everything I just want to [TS]

00:22:37   deal with that stuff [TS]

00:22:38   there's a reason why the app store is [TS]

00:22:40   compelling when it works well which [TS]

00:22:42   might be never [TS]

00:22:43   but when it looked like the the promise [TS]

00:22:45   of it is actually you know it it should [TS]

00:22:48   work and in in theory it does work [TS]

00:22:50   unfortunately in reality the mac app [TS]

00:22:52   store doesn't work unfortunately for me [TS]

00:22:53   to make the decision for whatever its [TS]

00:22:55   app isn't gonna make because it can't be [TS]

00:22:56   sandbox so i can put in the mac app [TS]

00:22:58   store so if i want to release it i have [TS]

00:23:00   to release outside of mac app store and [TS]

00:23:02   look at definite honestly because dev [TS]

00:23:04   mate so it's made by a company called [TS]

00:23:06   Mac Polly do all they do all sorts of [TS]

00:23:07   stuff for the mac they've made a [TS]

00:23:09   powerful tool set that has allowed all [TS]

00:23:12   of us Mac developers is now to overcome [TS]

00:23:15   appstore limitations so they can sell [TS]

00:23:17   you they can sell your software outside [TS]

00:23:18   of the mac app store that you can [TS]

00:23:19   deliver updates easily to it with their [TS]

00:23:21   platform you can protect your ass with [TS]

00:23:23   license management you can make trial [TS]

00:23:25   versions you can sell bundles you can [TS]

00:23:27   even run beta test with automatic crash [TS]

00:23:29   reporting all these luxuries that you [TS]

00:23:30   get if you're totally in the appstore [TS]

00:23:32   ecosystem and you can get in-depth [TS]

00:23:35   analytics and marketing metrics which is [TS]

00:23:36   even usually better than what you can [TS]

00:23:38   get in the app store so def made his [TS]

00:23:40   class at all the tools and services they [TS]

00:23:41   use into one pack and they've created [TS]

00:23:44   this amazing platform for mac developers [TS]

00:23:46   so you don't have to do any kind of [TS]

00:23:48   crazy license encoding to make your own [TS]

00:23:50   like weird serial number scheme or [TS]

00:23:51   anything like that you can use their [TS]

00:23:54   tools manage free trials and too many [TS]

00:23:56   different diverse license types they [TS]

00:23:58   offer hosting the offer the CDN version [TS]

00:24:00   management update delivery and an [TS]

00:24:02   e-commerce solution for in-app purchase [TS]

00:24:04   all these things all available you can [TS]

00:24:06   get customer feedback you can view a [TS]

00:24:08   breakdown if you're paid and trial [TS]

00:24:10   customers with built-in trial support [TS]

00:24:11   all this amazing stuff all at devon [TS]

00:24:14   eight so all you have to do is worry [TS]

00:24:16   about coding the app itself [TS]

00:24:18   you leave the rest to detonate so Mac [TS]

00:24:20   developers check out def made today [TS]

00:24:21   honestly I intended by the time I check [TS]

00:24:23   it out if i decide to release happens [TS]

00:24:25   gonna be the first look honestly [TS]

00:24:27   anyway thanks for thanks for answering [TS]

00:24:28   all right you're gonna tell us what the [TS]

00:24:30   APIs I well sure it doesn't matter it's [TS]

00:24:33   not it's really nothing it's like if you [TS]

00:24:35   remember a few months ago I posted a [TS]

00:24:37   little like launch d applescript thing [TS]

00:24:40   to automatically quit Twitter every 10 [TS]

00:24:42   minutes [TS]

00:24:42   it was an active and so if you make a [TS]

00:24:46   native app you can do that a lot better [TS]

00:24:48   you can do things like you know instead [TS]

00:24:50   of just every 10 minutes check if it's [TS]

00:24:52   active and if not quit you can monitor [TS]

00:24:55   the active window in real-time and so [TS]

00:24:58   you can quit like ten minutes after I [TS]

00:25:00   last used it and you can do and what you [TS]

00:25:02   can do things like only quit if it's [TS]

00:25:04   hidden and stuff like that you can you [TS]

00:25:05   can do like a more advanced version of [TS]

00:25:07   this more easily so I have a little [TS]

00:25:10   prototype of that running and right now [TS]

00:25:12   it's literally like this giant black [TS]

00:25:14   square in my menu bar so that it was [TS]

00:25:16   gonna if I want to actually you know [TS]

00:25:17   make it releasable there's gonna be some [TS]

00:25:19   work involved but it does work and it's [TS]

00:25:21   very it's really nice actually it's [TS]

00:25:23   really nice that i found that this has [TS]

00:25:25   dramatically reduced my Twitter usage [TS]

00:25:26   and as measured by rescue time and so [TS]

00:25:29   I'm actually very happy with the [TS]

00:25:31   disapprobation it has turned Twitter [TS]

00:25:33   into something that is always open on my [TS]

00:25:35   mac like male you know like it's his [TS]

00:25:37   turn from its always open to something [TS]

00:25:39   that is inherently incredibly unreliable [TS]

00:25:41   it just it seems like to me like a [TS]

00:25:43   crashes every 10 minutes [TS]

00:25:45   she's really happy that it actually [TS]

00:25:47   created your own your own chaos monkey [TS]

00:25:49   on your Mac yes but only targets one or [TS]

00:25:52   two perhaps it's great that it's great [TS]

00:25:54   because like I it turns it into [TS]

00:25:57   something that I have to like actively [TS]

00:25:58   go and and activate rather than some [TS]

00:26:01   it's always there in the corner ready [TS]

00:26:03   for me to be distracted by you know so [TS]

00:26:05   it actually this approach actually does [TS]

00:26:07   work really well for me I don't know if [TS]

00:26:08   it'll work for anybody else I don't have [TS]

00:26:10   anybody else cares but it was worth [TS]

00:26:12   making the mac version just to make it [TS]

00:26:14   better so it's no longer these weird [TS]

00:26:17   launched a script that I can't turn off [TS]

00:26:18   easily or you can adjust easily so yeah [TS]

00:26:21   so far I'm liking it so i might release [TS]

00:26:23   it [TS]

00:26:23   I don't even know how to charge money i [TS]

00:26:25   have no idea but I figured this could be [TS]

00:26:28   this could be like a nice way for me to [TS]

00:26:29   learn a little more about make [TS]

00:26:31   mac software and and the market for mac [TS]

00:26:33   software and just kind of dip my toe and [TS]

00:26:34   get like a little tutorial on it [TS]

00:26:36   excellent you pay five bucks for this [TS]

00:26:38   thing I wouldn't buy it now [TS]

00:26:41   ok I can slide obligation to quit that's [TS]

00:26:43   from out from under you know thank ya [TS]

00:26:46   I don't even like a sudden termination [TS]

00:26:48   or whatever the api's they added that [TS]

00:26:50   like when you have no open documents [TS]

00:26:51   they kill the application don't even [TS]

00:26:53   like that i haven't even noticed that [TS]

00:26:55   ever hitting me honestly maybe I just [TS]

00:26:56   don't use apps that do it if you text [TS]

00:26:59   edit it happens like close all the [TS]

00:27:00   windows and text and switch to some [TS]

00:27:01   other app and then you look back at the [TS]

00:27:03   dock and you're like I'll put that dot [TS]

00:27:04   go underneath text output is gonna get [TS]

00:27:06   who would who would use the text anymore [TS]

00:27:08   i find myself using still occasionally [TS]

00:27:10   it has the eyes the user for as my poor [TS]

00:27:13   man's outliner like if you do option tab [TS]

00:27:14   you know that whole thing [TS]

00:27:16   don't you have like oatmeal it like a [TS]

00:27:18   better talent baby and you like a better [TS]

00:27:20   texture person [TS]

00:27:21   yeah but that's not for outlining like [TS]

00:27:22   outline and we like having you having [TS]

00:27:24   invented levels and have being able to [TS]

00:27:26   just keep typing and have it soft [TS]

00:27:27   wrapped the indented lovely you know [TS]

00:27:29   like used to hit me happy but now i want [TS]

00:27:31   our unit like you're right long [TS]

00:27:33   paragraphs and they stay at the level of [TS]

00:27:36   the like you're not hard wrapping it [TS]

00:27:37   right you just typing and typing and [TS]

00:27:38   typing and it is rapping in a paragraph [TS]

00:27:40   that paragraph is indented just like the [TS]

00:27:42   bullet point you put it on use the test [TS]

00:27:44   paper i don't know that it's not that [TS]

00:27:47   it's my it's a I think it's just gross [TS]

00:27:48   doing the guy who makes the folding text [TS]

00:27:50   i think because I think that's him now [TS]

00:27:52   anyway that's I text that is what i use [TS]

00:27:54   for my podcast notes when i'm on podcast [TS]

00:27:57   other than this one like was just notes [TS]

00:27:59   for me as opposed to all three of us [TS]

00:28:01   sharing a document [TS]

00:28:03   yeah and I don't know you double-click [TS]

00:28:05   documents that owns that txt and i [TS]

00:28:07   haven't gone and change the the bindings [TS]

00:28:09   for all that stuff so it i find myself [TS]

00:28:11   watching it and then if I want to keep [TS]

00:28:14   it open i gotta remember to keep on [TS]

00:28:15   document really like the holidays gonna [TS]

00:28:17   supposed to care that it's open attacks [TS]

00:28:18   a larger so fast i really don't care but [TS]

00:28:20   I do notice it quitting itself pretty [TS]

00:28:22   does the same thing which annoys me more [TS]

00:28:24   about to do you preview Marduk the [TS]

00:28:25   images and stuff apparently literally [TS]

00:28:27   task paper 3 was released today it could [TS]

00:28:30   definitely have another i've been [TS]

00:28:33   testing it for awhile i really like it i [TS]

00:28:34   studied it was released [TS]

00:28:36   yeah I test paper a lot i'll put a link [TS]

00:28:39   in the show notes sometimes right so uh [TS]

00:28:42   speaking of releasing things [TS]

00:28:44   overcast too [TS]

00:28:44   and five tell us all the things about a [TS]

00:28:46   marker about Jesus I really have to [TS]

00:28:48   yes I i did a 2.5 update the list of [TS]

00:28:52   features of which was Ted was typing [TS]

00:28:54   test paper the whole time as have been [TS]

00:28:56   using my to-do list for all of my [TS]

00:28:57   absence [TS]

00:28:58   instapaper one point maybe or at least [TS]

00:29:01   early versions of instapaper anyway so [TS]

00:29:03   yeah so 2.5 is is basically what it [TS]

00:29:06   sounds like it's like a half major [TS]

00:29:09   release if that makes sense like there [TS]

00:29:11   there it's not like it still looks about [TS]

00:29:13   the same for the most part there's not a [TS]

00:29:17   whole lot of new headlining features but [TS]

00:29:19   as a whole that there are few and as a [TS]

00:29:20   whole bunch of big improvements of [TS]

00:29:21   everywhere basically like so it's kinda [TS]

00:29:24   originally was calling a 2.1 look at [TS]

00:29:26   adding more stuff like you know what [TS]

00:29:27   this feels like 2.5 so i'll call 2.5 and [TS]

00:29:30   it's about six months from to point out [TS]

00:29:32   that kind of made sense with a roughly [TS]

00:29:34   annual release cycle for the big stuff [TS]

00:29:36   so the the big things are if you are a [TS]

00:29:40   patron so if you pay me a dollar-a-month [TS]

00:29:42   basically then you get a new dark theme [TS]

00:29:46   and you get the ability to have file [TS]

00:29:48   uploads so you can you can upload [TS]

00:29:50   something that's not a real podcast or [TS]

00:29:52   not it's not a public podcast like an [TS]

00:29:54   audiobook or if you're a producer [TS]

00:29:56   podcast like a draft of some of one [TS]

00:29:58   episode you're working on you can upload [TS]

00:29:59   that into overcast and play it in your [TS]

00:30:02   players and it is it doesn't become [TS]

00:30:03   public for everybody play just it just [TS]

00:30:05   plays for you and this is actually a [TS]

00:30:07   feature I built this in version one [TS]

00:30:09   point I had this right at the beginning [TS]

00:30:10   and it was only enabled for my account [TS]

00:30:13   for all this time and i would use it to [TS]

00:30:15   play download episodes of howard stern I [TS]

00:30:17   mean personally recorded episodes of [TS]

00:30:18   howard stern home Howard Stern [TS]

00:30:20   recordings and so I use it all the time [TS]

00:30:22   but I didn't want to launch it because I [TS]

00:30:24   believe that these files are hosted on [TS]

00:30:25   s3 and so I'm like I don't you know I [TS]

00:30:28   don't really want to sign up for [TS]

00:30:29   somebody paying me five bucks once and [TS]

00:30:32   then me hosting like two gigs of s3 [TS]

00:30:35   files for them for the next three years [TS]

00:30:36   that would be hard to sustain [TS]

00:30:38   economically and so I i figure you know [TS]

00:30:41   let me let me wait until I have some [TS]

00:30:43   kind of recurring revenue in place or if [TS]

00:30:47   it appears as though the app is doing so [TS]

00:30:50   incredibly well with the and purchase [TS]

00:30:51   upfront that I can make that i can live [TS]

00:30:54   forever body that maybe i'll try it [TS]

00:30:55   later but anyway whatever i push it off [TS]

00:30:57   till later [TS]

00:30:57   that was in mid-2014 hey and I kind of [TS]

00:31:02   just forgot about me people have been [TS]

00:31:04   requesting this feature for a while but [TS]

00:31:06   there were always features that were [TS]

00:31:07   requested more that I had to do you know [TS]

00:31:10   that were more important to do things [TS]

00:31:11   like streaming stuff like that so there [TS]

00:31:13   was always kind of stuff ahead of it in [TS]

00:31:15   the to-do list and i finally got around [TS]

00:31:17   to doing it and it's really just named [TS]

00:31:19   it was just like polishing up the [TS]

00:31:21   feature i already had like making it [TS]

00:31:23   look a little bit nicer styling the [TS]

00:31:25   website slightly around around the [TS]

00:31:27   uploader instead of just be like an [TS]

00:31:29   unformatted progress bar and everything [TS]

00:31:30   and the technical side of its really [TS]

00:31:31   pretty straightforward I i actually if [TS]

00:31:34   you look at this if you view source on [TS]

00:31:35   the upload page i actually am uploading [TS]

00:31:37   the files directly to s3 and the app [TS]

00:31:40   download it directly from s3 so the [TS]

00:31:42   files never pass through overcast [TS]

00:31:43   servers which you helped me save on [TS]

00:31:45   costs and also helps them arrive faster [TS]

00:31:47   you don't have to wait for a double [TS]

00:31:49   upload like for my server and uploaded [TS]

00:31:50   to a story you got away from that I'm so [TS]

00:31:52   it's both a nice cost savings for me and [TS]

00:31:54   also speed speed improvement for you we [TS]

00:31:57   are technical cool thing that most [TS]

00:31:59   people don't even know that you can [TS]

00:32:00   generate a form to securely upload a [TS]

00:32:02   file to a story but you can then the [TS]

00:32:04   dark mode which is also for patrons only [TS]

00:32:07   I got a little bit of pushback on this [TS]

00:32:09   actually and i'd say probably heard [TS]

00:32:12   about a hundred people there's no it's a [TS]

00:32:13   little country i'm curious what you guys [TS]

00:32:15   think it's a little controversial [TS]

00:32:16   because so when I had version 11.10 in [TS]

00:32:20   the brand from from mid-2014 mid-2015 [TS]

00:32:23   version was a free app with a [TS]

00:32:26   five-dollar in-app purchase to quote [TS]

00:32:28   unlock everything and what I meant was [TS]

00:32:30   unlike all the features i have right now [TS]

00:32:31   like just unlock everything and then [TS]

00:32:33   into point last october i switch to a a [TS]

00:32:37   full payment model where everything was [TS]

00:32:39   free and you could pay if you wanted to [TS]

00:32:41   look for nothing like you just you get [TS]

00:32:44   nothing for and i said like i might add [TS]

00:32:46   features in the future patrons that I [TS]

00:32:48   can't have everybody for cost reasons [TS]

00:32:49   whatever and I was actually thinking [TS]

00:32:51   about the upload feature when I wrote [TS]

00:32:52   that [TS]

00:32:52   so now when I wanted to add this new [TS]

00:32:54   file upload and dark mode there i [TS]

00:32:56   decided to make but now file uploads are [TS]

00:32:58   easy to make paper only because you can [TS]

00:33:00   say well that's that costs money for [TS]

00:33:01   everyone who uses it but there is a [TS]

00:33:03   debate here among people who bother me [TS]

00:33:08   on Twitter people through flick they're [TS]

00:33:10   literally argument [TS]

00:33:11   each other like I'm not even involved in [TS]

00:33:12   the argument that people like my people [TS]

00:33:15   are arguing in my mentions with each [TS]

00:33:16   other about whether this should be a [TS]

00:33:18   problem or not whether people who bought [TS]

00:33:20   it [TS]

00:33:21   who bought the one point X unlock [TS]

00:33:23   everything thing in 2014 whether they [TS]

00:33:25   should have the dark mode as well and [TS]

00:33:29   what do you guys think about that but i [TS]

00:33:30   figured the reason why i thought it [TS]

00:33:32   would be okay this way [TS]

00:33:34   the reason i made everything free with [TS]

00:33:36   to point out and and decided to go to [TS]

00:33:38   page for nothing for a while was i I was [TS]

00:33:41   tired of the basic version of the app [TS]

00:33:43   having like intrusive limitations that [TS]

00:33:46   would make it sucks like a limit on like [TS]

00:33:49   it would only show top five entries in a [TS]

00:33:50   playlist and you couldn't adjust the [TS]

00:33:51   speed or you can only do it for a few [TS]

00:33:53   minutes at a time and everything's there [TS]

00:33:54   there were these like these limitations [TS]

00:33:56   in the app that were actively trying to [TS]

00:33:59   make the appt worse so that you would [TS]

00:34:02   hit them and then you'd be encouraged to [TS]

00:34:04   pay the money to unlock everything and [TS]

00:34:06   so I decided that it would make most [TS]

00:34:08   sense for if I was gonna do anything [TS]

00:34:09   special for patrons and first of all I [TS]

00:34:11   should preface this with pastries wasn't [TS]

00:34:13   going that well honestly like it was [TS]

00:34:15   going well enough to sustain the basic [TS]

00:34:18   cost of the app but it wasn't doing well [TS]

00:34:20   enough for me to really want to justify [TS]

00:34:21   putting tons of time into it it was [TS]

00:34:24   doing ok but needed I needed to do [TS]

00:34:26   better than what the hell was doing [TS]

00:34:28   otherwise I'm gonna have to move back to [TS]

00:34:30   some other model like you know whether [TS]

00:34:31   it's paid upfront or another and [TS]

00:34:32   purchase whatever so patrons as it was [TS]

00:34:35   going was not going well enough so i had [TS]

00:34:37   to change something so i decided let me [TS]

00:34:39   let me give people some motivation to [TS]

00:34:41   pay but I didn't want to make the appt [TS]

00:34:44   sock for everyone else so i decided to [TS]

00:34:46   dark mode was I decide was interesting [TS]

00:34:48   to make patron only because it's [TS]

00:34:52   something that doesn't really if you [TS]

00:34:54   don't have it it doesn't affect you at [TS]

00:34:56   all really like it doesn't the the [TS]

00:34:57   absence of this feature does not make [TS]

00:35:00   the appt worse for everyone who doesn't [TS]

00:35:01   have it [TS]

00:35:02   it's not like some kind of limit that [TS]

00:35:04   you hit where it makes it worse so I [TS]

00:35:06   figured it would be a nice perk to give [TS]

00:35:09   patrons something that like it kind of [TS]

00:35:11   feels like a / kind of feels like a [TS]

00:35:12   special extra you know because it isn't [TS]

00:35:16   really like a substantial functional [TS]

00:35:18   feature in the app it's just like a [TS]

00:35:20   theme it's it's how it looks and so you [TS]

00:35:23   make a cool dark mode and look [TS]

00:35:25   school and everyone likes dark mode and [TS]

00:35:26   Alec so it it looks cool i think it [TS]

00:35:29   looks nice and it's something new and [TS]

00:35:30   different kind of exclusive because its [TS]

00:35:31   patrons only [TS]

00:35:32   so I've I thought that was all fine but [TS]

00:35:35   i have now heard from yet probably a [TS]

00:35:37   hundred people who think differently [TS]

00:35:39   when he does think it seems like well so [TS]

00:35:43   for the patron thing if someone pays and [TS]

00:35:45   they get the dark theme [TS]

00:35:47   what does does a Darkling go away if [TS]

00:35:50   they stop paying yes so that I think [TS]

00:35:52   that's the the place where it doesn't [TS]

00:35:54   seem like it fits because it seems more [TS]

00:35:57   like an app purchase basically like if [TS]

00:35:59   you did it is in app purchase it would [TS]

00:36:01   be like if you don't want dark theme [TS]

00:36:03   before 2.5 came out you didn't have dark [TS]

00:36:05   them anyway you don't even know dark [TS]

00:36:06   theme existed you were fine using [TS]

00:36:07   overcast before now all the sudden 2.5 [TS]

00:36:10   comes out and you see the shiny dark [TS]

00:36:11   theme that you want but you don't want [TS]

00:36:13   to pay for it because you just want to [TS]

00:36:14   get a free [TS]

00:36:15   well you know if you do this thing that [TS]

00:36:17   you like how about you give me some [TS]

00:36:19   money and I'll give you the dark theme [TS]

00:36:20   but i think that most people's minds [TS]

00:36:22   darkened doesn't seem like a thing that [TS]

00:36:24   you should have to keep paying for they [TS]

00:36:26   don't know for for whatever reason it [TS]

00:36:28   seems like like like buying a [TS]

00:36:31   downloadable content in the game you [TS]

00:36:32   know you by to get the fancy half of [TS]

00:36:35   your character you get the fancy hat you [TS]

00:36:36   don't have to keep paying every year to [TS]

00:36:38   keep your fancy hat i think it feels [TS]

00:36:40   more like a one-time in-app purchase and [TS]

00:36:42   yeah i think it's a perfect kind of [TS]

00:36:44   in-app purchase of the purpose kind of [TS]

00:36:46   monetary frill because like i said the [TS]

00:36:48   people people may be upset about about [TS]

00:36:51   you know you're using 1.1 2.1 didn't [TS]

00:36:53   have any dark theme right and you were [TS]

00:36:55   before 2.5 that you were fine with it [TS]

00:36:58   but then suddenly when you know there's [TS]

00:36:59   a dark theme and now you have to pay [TS]

00:37:00   money to get it all I want to get it [TS]

00:37:02   going to get it for free [TS]

00:37:04   muscle if you don't think it's worth the [TS]

00:37:05   money don't pay for it right and if you [TS]

00:37:07   if you suddenly don't want to use the [TS]

00:37:08   application like well then just go back [TS]

00:37:10   in time and pretend to one part was [TS]

00:37:12   never released and then use whatever [TS]

00:37:13   calculus you're using before to make you [TS]

00:37:14   pay for [TS]

00:37:15   we're just holding on waiting for a [TS]

00:37:16   Darkling anyway I things I don't it look [TS]

00:37:20   like it seems like a recurring thing [TS]

00:37:21   trying to bundle it all under the [TS]

00:37:22   Patriot thing when you only really got [TS]

00:37:24   two things at this point for the the [TS]

00:37:26   patrons you've got the the uploads which [TS]

00:37:28   would like that makes total sense like [TS]

00:37:29   you are you're costing money therefore [TS]

00:37:31   you must give money on a regular basis [TS]

00:37:33   because you're storing files on the [TS]

00:37:34   internet right well it is it doesn't [TS]

00:37:36   make total sense to everybody [TS]

00:37:38   an angry at least half of them are [TS]

00:37:40   demanding that too but that's that's [TS]

00:37:42   that would be easy for me to say I can't [TS]

00:37:45   do that for everybody sorry i'm not [TS]

00:37:46   going to do that you know that makes [TS]

00:37:47   sense right now that's a you know like [TS]

00:37:49   it doesn't this is a money-losing [TS]

00:37:50   proposition areas [TS]

00:37:51   shit i will pay for storage and amazon [TS]

00:37:53   s3 for you and you give me nothing that [TS]

00:37:55   doesn't you know anyway I think that [TS]

00:37:57   makes more sense and if you had like 17 [TS]

00:37:59   features the patrons got and one of them [TS]

00:38:01   happens to be the model dark theme i [TS]

00:38:03   think that would make sense to visit the [TS]

00:38:04   patron is like the different the [TS]

00:38:06   different class of people like oh I pay [TS]

00:38:07   a little bit extra zap that you can get [TS]

00:38:09   a use for free and does everything you [TS]

00:38:10   want to do but i paid a little bit extra [TS]

00:38:12   for this one feature that has an ongoing [TS]

00:38:14   recurring costs because i'm storing it's [TS]

00:38:17   on the internet and other features just [TS]

00:38:18   a little park and in the end it doesn't [TS]

00:38:20   really matter like all these logical [TS]

00:38:22   arguments what should or shouldn't be [TS]

00:38:23   all that matters is do people find there [TS]

00:38:26   are people willing to pay for I mean [TS]

00:38:27   you'll find that with the sales number [TS]

00:38:29   if have you made an offering that is [TS]

00:38:30   attractive enough for people to part [TS]

00:38:32   ways with their money on a regular basis [TS]

00:38:33   to get them you'll find out but if if we [TS]

00:38:36   had to try to like break it down i think [TS]

00:38:38   that's the difference between the two [TS]

00:38:40   things that you've offered that uh that [TS]

00:38:41   one just doesn't seem like a recurring [TS]

00:38:43   feature a lot of people but look for [TS]

00:38:45   other people they're gonna pay for the [TS]

00:38:46   file uploads anyway and for them [TS]

00:38:48   darkness just like a park oh and great i [TS]

00:38:50   get dark mode to they don't feel like [TS]

00:38:51   they're paying X amount every month or [TS]

00:38:54   year for dark mode they feel like [TS]

00:38:55   they're paying for file uploads and [TS]

00:38:56   getting dark matter is a park so i think [TS]

00:38:58   that the sales numbers will bear it out [TS]

00:38:59   and if people are having arguments about [TS]

00:39:02   it's clear there are disagreements about [TS]

00:39:03   what is worth spending this money on or [TS]

00:39:06   not so i don't i think it's perfectly [TS]

00:39:09   valid experiment and i fully expect in [TS]

00:39:12   six months or a year from now are you [TS]

00:39:13   try more experiments because that's just [TS]

00:39:15   the way it goes [TS]

00:39:16   Casey what do you think i think that i [TS]

00:39:19   didn't blink an eye over dark mode or [TS]

00:39:23   file uploads being a patron only [TS]

00:39:26   exclusive I think having her John's [TS]

00:39:30   thoughts on it [TS]

00:39:31   I tend to agree with him that dark mode [TS]

00:39:33   seems like maybe it should have been in [TS]

00:39:35   app purchase a separate from the [TS]

00:39:38   patronage but then that gets into a [TS]

00:39:42   whole new weekly discussion about well [TS]

00:39:43   do you really want to have patronage and [TS]

00:39:46   in-app purchases concurrently and answer [TS]

00:39:50   is no I really don't [TS]

00:39:51   like there's so many reasons why don't [TS]

00:39:53   want to do that then I would say either [TS]

00:39:56   you give dark mode out of the goodness [TS]

00:39:59   of your heart and then potentially have [TS]

00:40:02   some financial implications thereof [TS]

00:40:05   which I don't think it's a terribly good [TS]

00:40:06   option or you deal with people being [TS]

00:40:08   grumpy i do understand what John saying [TS]

00:40:10   i'm mostly agree with him that you know [TS]

00:40:12   it feels like the sort of thing that you [TS]

00:40:13   should just pay for once and that's that [TS]

00:40:15   but on the other side of the coin I mean [TS]

00:40:18   you need to be able to eat and I would [TS]

00:40:20   say that most of the people or i would [TS]

00:40:23   think that most of the people that [TS]

00:40:24   download this app have enough of an [TS]

00:40:27   understanding of kind of how the app [TS]

00:40:30   store economy works not necessarily to [TS]

00:40:32   the level of those who was in the show [TS]

00:40:33   but just a general understanding that [TS]

00:40:35   hey the people who wrote this app or [TS]

00:40:36   person that wrote this app needs to be [TS]

00:40:38   able to eat and so I need to be able to [TS]

00:40:40   pay that person and so I don't I don't [TS]

00:40:43   find it troubling for either to be in [TS]

00:40:45   the patrons model at all really [TS]

00:40:49   but it's easy for me to say because you [TS]

00:40:52   know I'm obviously gonna support you [TS]

00:40:53   regardless because you're a close friend [TS]

00:40:54   of mine I I definitely don't see a [TS]

00:40:57   problem with the file uploads being and [TS]

00:40:59   patronage at all at all at all because [TS]

00:41:01   as John is set as the edges you've said [TS]

00:41:04   you need to be able to recoup that money [TS]

00:41:05   somehow the way look at the patrons [TS]

00:41:09   model really is that i have i have i'm [TS]

00:41:12   trying to find a way to be both both the [TS]

00:41:15   cheapest and most expensive Pakistan the [TS]

00:41:16   store so I'm trying to find a way where [TS]

00:41:20   this could be free for almost everybody [TS]

00:41:24   you know and for you know free up front [TS]

00:41:26   if anybody wants to try they can try for [TS]

00:41:28   free because as I said you know on [TS]

00:41:30   numerous other occasions [TS]

00:41:31   one of my goals of this app is to get a [TS]

00:41:33   lot of users to kind of help me defend [TS]

00:41:35   the openness of podcasting with [TS]

00:41:37   diversity of clients so it is very [TS]

00:41:40   important for me to the app state free [TS]

00:41:42   upfront and so the question is like how [TS]

00:41:44   do I where do I get the money you know [TS]

00:41:46   and i can do like add somehow but i [TS]

00:41:49   don't really want to I thought it was [TS]

00:41:50   like wait could do it tastefully I've [TS]

00:41:52   still would rather not do that if I [TS]

00:41:54   don't have to [TS]

00:41:55   so you know we'll see what happens there [TS]

00:41:56   hopefully I won't need to do that but i [TS]

00:41:58   might to me I I see this really as [TS]

00:42:01   update pricing or upgrade pricing like [TS]

00:42:04   kind of be [TS]

00:42:05   din so like if I if I didn't do this i [TS]

00:42:09   would have to do some kind of upgrade [TS]

00:42:11   pricing model so i would have to then [TS]

00:42:13   you know hold back features for longer [TS]

00:42:15   and make these bigger like I probably [TS]

00:42:17   wouldn't release 2.5 right now probably [TS]

00:42:19   would have done [TS]

00:42:19   wait a few more months and a big [TS]

00:42:21   three-point update in you know in the [TS]

00:42:23   summer or something and then charged a [TS]

00:42:26   whole separate purchase like how to be [TS]

00:42:28   are you know what you're one point X [TS]

00:42:29   your-your-your 1x into point X purchases [TS]

00:42:33   don't count for anything now [TS]

00:42:34   now you know brand new purchase for the [TS]

00:42:36   three-point Oh premium features and [TS]

00:42:38   that's that's also sucks for in a lot of [TS]

00:42:41   different ways like and I think that [TS]

00:42:42   would anger people more so the question [TS]

00:42:45   is I i want to get somehow I want to get [TS]

00:42:48   some kind of recurring revenue and I [TS]

00:42:49   think the software industry had kind of [TS]

00:42:52   bear that out now of seeing like you [TS]

00:42:53   know before and after be sustainable it [TS]

00:42:55   needs something like that you know it [TS]

00:42:57   doesn't necessarily need to be done in [TS]

00:42:59   one particular way but somehow you need [TS]

00:43:02   recurring revenue to come in [TS]

00:43:04   you know like with instapaper I didn't [TS]

00:43:06   have that for a long time instapaper it [TS]

00:43:07   was just five bucks up front and I was [TS]

00:43:09   it and that worked for a long time [TS]

00:43:13   because the growth was so good with [TS]

00:43:15   overcast the girl isn't that good it's [TS]

00:43:17   it grows but it's not growing at the [TS]

00:43:19   kind of rate that instapaper was just [TS]

00:43:21   because you know it's paper had a really [TS]

00:43:23   great growth curve it was really early [TS]

00:43:24   in the app store it had you know it was [TS]

00:43:27   you know the right place at the right [TS]

00:43:28   time basically and I think that was a [TS]

00:43:30   wider audience where is now with [TS]

00:43:32   overcast like the built-in podcast app [TS]

00:43:34   is so popular and even though it's [TS]

00:43:38   fairly mediocre it's it's popular enough [TS]

00:43:40   that you know it's hard for people to [TS]

00:43:42   make a dent in that so I need some way [TS]

00:43:45   to I can't rely on just growth for [TS]

00:43:48   revenue purposes i have to rely on some [TS]

00:43:50   kind of recurring revenue so in the app [TS]

00:43:52   store my options are cell like you know [TS]

00:43:54   coins and bs like something but you know [TS]

00:43:55   some kind of like consumable literally [TS]

00:43:58   beyond the call of some kind of [TS]

00:43:59   consumable and purchase i don't think [TS]

00:44:02   that necessarily fit in a podcast client [TS]

00:44:03   i don't see I don't see how that fits in [TS]

00:44:05   a way that doesn't just piss people off [TS]

00:44:06   so that that's option number one not a [TS]

00:44:08   very good option option number two would [TS]

00:44:11   be what I mentioned kind of like the [TS]

00:44:12   upgrade pricing kind of straightforward [TS]

00:44:14   way to do it which is either make a [TS]

00:44:17   whole separate app [TS]

00:44:18   every year and had to be paid upfront [TS]

00:44:19   maybe or have it be you know free with a [TS]

00:44:22   purchase to unlock about at one point [TS]

00:44:24   out then I have a whole new app every [TS]

00:44:25   year and that has so many problems like [TS]

00:44:27   people getting really angry with a [TS]

00:44:29   bought it right before you updated it [TS]

00:44:30   and you have to like again you're kinda [TS]

00:44:32   match your your major updates together [TS]

00:44:35   and like you know hold back features for [TS]

00:44:36   like six months waiting for the big [TS]

00:44:37   update and everything and that sucks too [TS]

00:44:39   or you or you do what I'm doing now [TS]

00:44:42   which is like some kind of subscription [TS]

00:44:44   some kind of recurring payment for [TS]

00:44:47   something that's the way I'm doing it [TS]

00:44:48   now as you know I started out you're [TS]

00:44:50   paying for nothing now you're paying for [TS]

00:44:51   almost nothing except you know these two [TS]

00:44:53   for these two features are kind of [TS]

00:44:54   paying for I think it's a pretty good [TS]

00:44:56   happy medium where I'm basically [TS]

00:44:59   charging you twelve dollars a year if [TS]

00:45:01   you want the full experience but most [TS]

00:45:03   people want and that's fine so far my [TS]

00:45:07   subscription counts are up by some big [TS]

00:45:10   percentage i think like thirty percent [TS]

00:45:11   in like two days [TS]

00:45:13   I mean it's it they they had a big jump [TS]

00:45:15   and we'll see what happens if they if [TS]

00:45:17   they keep going up as more people get [TS]

00:45:19   the update or try the update i'm not [TS]

00:45:22   really promoting the update like when [TS]

00:45:24   you launch it after the update it [TS]

00:45:25   doesn't pop up box saying hey here's [TS]

00:45:26   what's new [TS]

00:45:27   just nothing happens like so you have to [TS]

00:45:29   let go to the second screen to even [TS]

00:45:30   notice necessarily because it's been [TS]

00:45:32   updated so this could be like a slow [TS]

00:45:34   growth over time but it does seem so far [TS]

00:45:37   as though this this one change of like [TS]

00:45:40   giving you something that you kind of [TS]

00:45:43   want for 12 bucks a year [TS]

00:45:46   it does feel like that one change will [TS]

00:45:47   be enough to push a lot more people into [TS]

00:45:50   subscribing and that will probably make [TS]

00:45:53   the difference between being able to [TS]

00:45:54   keep this model long-term or not because [TS]

00:45:57   if I didn't do this as i said earlier if [TS]

00:45:59   I didn't add something compelling for [TS]

00:46:01   patrons and uploads aren't compelling [TS]

00:46:03   enough because most people don't need [TS]

00:46:04   that feature some people really like it [TS]

00:46:06   but most people don't need it was dark [TS]

00:46:07   mode that that could appeal to any user [TS]

00:46:10   you know it doesn't necessarily not [TS]

00:46:11   everybody cares that much but that it [TS]

00:46:13   will appeal to lots of people [TS]

00:46:14   so if I didn't make a change like that [TS]

00:46:17   where something you get something that I [TS]

00:46:18   thought that was really nice but that [TS]

00:46:20   didn't make the appt superbad everyone [TS]

00:46:22   didn't have it then I wouldn't be able [TS]

00:46:24   to continue this model so hey will you [TS]

00:46:27   know we'll see what happens [TS]

00:46:28   John will be right i will probably [TS]

00:46:29   changes in six months but you know what [TS]

00:46:31   I'm hoping not to have to because if I [TS]

00:46:33   can keep this if this ends up the ends [TS]

00:46:35   up working and being like a great model [TS]

00:46:36   for overcast long-term then I don't need [TS]

00:46:39   to like save up features four major [TS]

00:46:41   releases anymore i can release features [TS]

00:46:43   whenever they're ready [TS]

00:46:44   that is so much better for me it's [TS]

00:46:46   better for users [TS]

00:46:47   it's it is just so much better to do [TS]

00:46:49   things that way and I don't have to deal [TS]

00:46:51   with all this crazy like constantly [TS]

00:46:53   changing purchase stuff to manage and [TS]

00:46:55   it's easier for the users there's no [TS]

00:46:57   issue of like if you if you buy the day [TS]

00:47:00   before I have like a major new update [TS]

00:47:03   then you feel like a jerk for father day [TS]

00:47:05   before I there there's so many issues [TS]

00:47:06   this avoids and barring the absence of [TS]

00:47:10   some kind of new app store monetization [TS]

00:47:13   method where you know if Apple would [TS]

00:47:14   offer some kind of easier paid upgrade [TS]

00:47:17   system or something like that might [TS]

00:47:19   change her mind but barring anything [TS]

00:47:20   like that which I don't foresee this is [TS]

00:47:23   probably really great model as long as [TS]

00:47:24   it works that's a big question but we'll [TS]

00:47:27   see [TS]

00:47:28   you're gonna have to come up with new [TS]

00:47:29   hats so now like the Dark Matters your [TS]

00:47:32   hat dark one is that you know that the [TS]

00:47:34   games learned that the thing that you [TS]

00:47:36   can make people pay for actually the [TS]

00:47:38   things that are meaningless in the scope [TS]

00:47:39   of the game but give your character [TS]

00:47:41   funny hat or whatever you know like some [TS]

00:47:43   some cosmetic item that is desirable all [TS]

00:47:46   out of proportion to the actual value [TS]

00:47:48   because the number of people who [TS]

00:47:49   legitimately need dark mode because the [TS]

00:47:51   white screen is to blinding and they [TS]

00:47:53   like to use a mountain that car or [TS]

00:47:54   whatever like this everyone's got an [TS]

00:47:56   excuse why they have they need two dark [TS]

00:47:58   motor they can turn their screen down or [TS]

00:47:59   whatever right but bottom line is people [TS]

00:48:00   want doctor because it looks nice [TS]

00:48:02   those are the perfect kind of usually [TS]

00:48:04   you know in-app purchase types things i [TS]

00:48:06   would love to know how many people [TS]

00:48:08   signed up for patronizing 2.5 because of [TS]

00:48:12   one of the two new features which one [TS]

00:48:14   was it like what they had to weigh them [TS]

00:48:16   like was set like many people just [TS]

00:48:18   signing up just because they want to [TS]

00:48:19   fund the app and have it be developed a [TS]

00:48:21   ball blood that sort of high-minded [TS]

00:48:22   ideal but other people like oh there's [TS]

00:48:24   there's two new features file uploads [TS]

00:48:26   and dark mode which ones were they [TS]

00:48:27   really wanted to get did they like them [TS]

00:48:29   both equally or they going mostly for [TS]

00:48:30   dark mode and I i would think most of [TS]

00:48:32   them were going for dark not even though [TS]

00:48:34   that is like the the less valuable [TS]

00:48:36   practically speaking in terms of doesn't [TS]

00:48:37   actually add any features just makes the [TS]

00:48:39   app look different so that ends up [TS]

00:48:41   working next year you'll need something [TS]

00:48:44   else [TS]

00:48:45   of similar value for the people who paid [TS]

00:48:47   for dark mode right to maybe they don't [TS]

00:48:49   want to keep paying because they're [TS]

00:48:50   bored with dark mode what new hats you [TS]

00:48:51   have to give them for your podcast [TS]

00:48:53   application how about a podcast [TS]

00:48:56   application construction kit like the [TS]

00:48:57   calculator constructed ya wanna get to [TS]

00:49:00   design your own application pick the [TS]

00:49:02   Pontifical anyway I'm sure you come [TS]

00:49:04   something what I'm hoping is though as [TS]

00:49:05   you go through these features you're [TS]

00:49:06   saying like before you had these other [TS]

00:49:08   features that are more important than [TS]

00:49:10   file uploads but eventually you did [TS]

00:49:11   those and so you got to follow uploads [TS]

00:49:13   when you have to how far down list is my [TS]

00:49:15   pet feature where whenever I add [TS]

00:49:17   something to overcast I wanted to be [TS]

00:49:18   added to the one playlist I use all the [TS]

00:49:20   time I hate and adding it to overcast [TS]

00:49:23   and realizing i didn't really added [TS]

00:49:24   overcast I headed to a place where I'm [TS]

00:49:25   never ever going to see it because I [TS]

00:49:27   spent all my time and it's one playlist [TS]

00:49:28   and its 7,000 taps to pull things from [TS]

00:49:31   not in the play this to be into the [TS]

00:49:33   playlist when I like individual episodes [TS]

00:49:34   like if someone tweets out this was a [TS]

00:49:37   good podcast episode of a podcast that [TS]

00:49:38   you probably don't want to subscribe to [TS]

00:49:40   but just download this episode and [TS]

00:49:42   before it was like oh well now I got to [TS]

00:49:44   subscribe and find the episode and then [TS]

00:49:45   added to my playlist but now with [TS]

00:49:47   uploads i can just download the mp3 and [TS]

00:49:48   uploaded but i still have to go into my [TS]

00:49:50   clothes I would love it if everything [TS]

00:49:51   had overcast always went into the [TS]

00:49:53   playlist of my choice and I realized [TS]

00:49:55   that super low priority feature but in [TS]

00:49:57   theory [TS]

00:49:57   eventually you'll get to it that that is [TS]

00:49:59   exactly how overcast works for me [TS]

00:50:01   because it's because my my like [TS]

00:50:03   everything playlist is default inclusive [TS]

00:50:07   yours is a whitelist based so right is [TS]

00:50:10   that dude lesson we talked about this [TS]

00:50:12   but yeah but that's what i want this is [TS]

00:50:14   why I wanted to be whitelisted better [TS]

00:50:16   things there are things on the outside [TS]

00:50:18   their large volume things that I don't [TS]

00:50:19   want cluttering up my it seems like it [TS]

00:50:22   seems like a simple for anyway [TS]

00:50:23   eventually you'll be scraping the bottom [TS]

00:50:24   of the barrel the features and you get [TS]

00:50:26   to mine eventually just it's just one [TS]

00:50:29   help menu when adding is overcast where [TS]

00:50:31   should they be added by default i don't [TS]

00:50:33   want a million options like what [TS]

00:50:34   priority represent to the bottom I don't [TS]

00:50:36   care for the top whatever pick one [TS]

00:50:39   no well anyway maybe somebody'll have to [TS]

00:50:43   go ad supported but if I did I would [TS]

00:50:46   totally have mail route as a sponsor one [TS]

00:50:48   response to this week on the show is [TS]

00:50:50   mail route golden route that / ATP male [TS]

00:50:53   round is amazing [TS]

00:50:55   hosted spam and virus email filtering [TS]

00:50:57   that's it they [TS]

00:50:58   it's all they do they do email spam [TS]

00:51:00   virus filtering and they do an amazing [TS]

00:51:02   job at it [TS]

00:51:04   I've used it myself for I don't know six [TS]

00:51:05   months a year a while now and it is [TS]

00:51:08   shocking how little spam I get now and [TS]

00:51:12   how few legitimate messages are caught [TS]

00:51:14   in the spam filter [TS]

00:51:15   it's really quite good male writers [TS]

00:51:17   great once again my right that / ATP so [TS]

00:51:20   if you are in the corporate world [TS]

00:51:22   there's all these products that like [TS]

00:51:24   filter email for you and there's things [TS]

00:51:26   like postini a mental MX logic these [TS]

00:51:28   things that i've been discontinued it [TS]

00:51:30   this whole industry in the corporate [TS]

00:51:32   world is full of these like ghosts are [TS]

00:51:35   just been discontinued and then your [TS]

00:51:36   kind of stranded mail route is here [TS]

00:51:38   they've been here for a long time they [TS]

00:51:40   are here to stay [TS]

00:51:42   this is all they do to do spam and virus [TS]

00:51:44   filters knows there's no hardware to buy [TS]

00:51:46   this is a cloud service so what you do [TS]

00:51:48   is you point your domain name at mail [TS]

00:51:50   route and then you to view point mail [TS]

00:51:52   route to your server and they deliver [TS]

00:51:53   filtered male-only filtered mail to your [TS]

00:51:56   server so if your corporate person [TS]

00:51:58   this saves you tons of hassle because [TS]

00:52:00   you don't have to deal with all those [TS]

00:52:01   like hardware filtering gateway things [TS]

00:52:03   and also it saves tons of server load [TS]

00:52:06   for you because you don't have your [TS]

00:52:07   servers processing all the span [TS]

00:52:09   themselves so big companies might be [TS]

00:52:11   able to go from like 10 email servers [TS]

00:52:13   down a two or something it's it's crazy [TS]

00:52:15   how much span you the process and once [TS]

00:52:17   you get rid of it like your email [TS]

00:52:18   service in there doing nothing [TS]

00:52:20   if your individual like me then it's [TS]

00:52:22   also really great because you know i [TS]

00:52:24   don't mind service i use fast as my host [TS]

00:52:26   but this gives the world-class spam and [TS]

00:52:30   virus filtering to any I'm a post so if [TS]

00:52:33   you if you have your own host like I do [TS]

00:52:35   your own domain name you can again point [TS]

00:52:37   the domain and mail route point now back [TS]

00:52:39   to you and then all of your spam just [TS]

00:52:41   goes away and there's lots of cool tools [TS]

00:52:43   to help manage this they'll send you an [TS]

00:52:45   email digest of like things that were [TS]

00:52:47   caught in the spam filter that they [TS]

00:52:48   think might not be spammed kind of need [TS]

00:52:50   a threshold you can with one click you [TS]

00:52:52   can whitelist anything I come through [TS]

00:52:53   and have to be redelivered if they got [TS]

00:52:55   anything wrong although they usually [TS]

00:52:56   don't honestly and they did a really [TS]

00:52:58   great service check out today they've [TS]

00:53:00   been doing that the team behind my right [TS]

00:53:02   hand doing in production since 1997 it's [TS]

00:53:05   even colder months that I've been using [TS]

00:53:06   cellular modems it's really very very [TS]

00:53:07   long time the interface has tons of [TS]

00:53:10   admin tools if your corporate person if [TS]

00:53:11   you [TS]

00:53:12   like you know any kind of like granular [TS]

00:53:14   access tools or you know corporate from [TS]

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00:53:46   to mail route for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:53:49   one quick question for you Marco I don't [TS]

00:53:51   know very much at all that s 3 but all [TS]

00:53:54   of the uploaded files are in a bucket [TS]

00:53:56   that you control / own right or maybe [TS]

00:53:59   but yes the right term but so have you [TS]

00:54:01   looked into about how many files have [TS]

00:54:04   been uploaded is that a good jillian is [TS]

00:54:05   it just ten you know do you have any [TS]

00:54:07   feeling for it I'm honestly I haven't [TS]

00:54:09   looked since that day online community [TS]

00:54:11   second introduce next topic I look I'll [TS]

00:54:13   have can do this I can transmit count up [TS]

00:54:16   for me while you think about that for a [TS]

00:54:18   second and you can interrupt with some [TS]

00:54:20   real-time follow-up hopefully a minute [TS]

00:54:22   it is probably worthwhile for us to talk [TS]

00:54:24   about what's going on Monday it is [TS]

00:54:27   monday right at the big apple event that [TS]

00:54:29   my dad and I think it's me yes [TS]

00:54:30   mar 21st so yes that's monday Apple is [TS]

00:54:34   going to loop in the press on march 21st [TS]

00:54:37   and talk about some new things [TS]

00:54:39   what do we think it's going to be I [TS]

00:54:41   presume it'll be some sort of new [TS]

00:54:44   Macintosh Hardware it may be a new [TS]

00:54:47   smaller iPhone which I have [TS]

00:54:49   extraordinarily conflicting thoughts [TS]

00:54:51   about John what do you think I'm really [TS]

00:54:54   been keeping up with the typical [TS]

00:54:55   criminology of examining the the [TS]

00:54:58   invitation and seeing what it means I [TS]

00:55:00   mean I did see when it came out and I [TS]

00:55:02   thought briefly about the looping you in [TS]

00:55:04   as a couple stories about all that it's [TS]

00:55:05   going to be showing new colors of [TS]

00:55:07   Milanese loops and no no I mean the [TS]

00:55:11   titles always means something sometimes [TS]

00:55:13   it's something not exciting but that's [TS]

00:55:17   it does say something about what they [TS]

00:55:20   choose to emphasize and it would be [TS]

00:55:22   really weird doing [TS]

00:55:23   think to have this event where we assume [TS]

00:55:25   there's gonna be at the very least new [TS]

00:55:27   laptops that market will talk about what [TS]

00:55:29   he's been doing his research just a [TS]

00:55:31   spinner i'm not i'm not counting myself [TS]

00:55:33   but i will be really weird to me if they [TS]

00:55:36   had this event and introduce all the [TS]

00:55:39   things that we think they're going to [TS]

00:55:40   introduce or at least some of them or [TS]

00:55:41   whatever but the lupus in thing ended up [TS]

00:55:43   being about new Milanese loops new [TS]

00:55:45   colors like i don't know i just it seems [TS]

00:55:49   we're so I'm hoping that's not what it [TS]

00:55:50   is but uh anyway I've been treating this [TS]

00:55:53   event kind of like the force awakens [TS]

00:55:55   where I'm not trying to read too many [TS]

00:55:57   spoilers about it because the past [TS]

00:55:59   couple of events I haven't really been [TS]

00:56:01   bowled over by and I i want to be [TS]

00:56:04   pleasantly surprised by something so you [TS]

00:56:06   know it's just managing expectations [TS]

00:56:07   like right well if you're if you feel [TS]

00:56:08   like you're getting overhyped then just [TS]

00:56:10   don't read as much hype and then [TS]

00:56:11   whatever they announced you'll be more [TS]

00:56:13   excited about going to spoil it for you [TS]

00:56:15   I mean yet so the laptops i'm probably [TS]

00:56:18   not going to be excited about anyway [TS]

00:56:19   well as you can tell you that they're [TS]

00:56:21   probably not going to release the mac [TS]

00:56:24   pro with the gaming video card that you [TS]

00:56:25   want the mountains really banks that [TS]

00:56:28   yeah I kind of I kind of figured that [TS]

00:56:30   one out [TS]

00:56:31   doesn't have to be gaming video card but [TS]

00:56:34   they release new mac pro period yeah I [TS]

00:56:36   I'm assuming that's going to come it [TS]

00:56:37   would be WC or later I haven't even been [TS]

00:56:41   keeping up to know if enough to know if [TS]

00:56:43   this is the room remember they're going [TS]

00:56:45   to do the new ipad i assume that's going [TS]

00:56:48   to be october still but like that then [TS]

00:56:50   do regular-sized iPad with the styles [TS]

00:56:52   and everything that I might actually buy [TS]

00:56:53   but it didn't announce that because I've [TS]

00:56:55   been out of the loop and I would be [TS]

00:56:58   excited by it and i would probably buy [TS]

00:57:00   one [TS]

00:57:00   otherwise I guess what does look at the [TS]

00:57:01   laptops from afar and we'll talk about [TS]

00:57:03   whether we think they're good or bad [TS]

00:57:05   laptops with a marker can tell us about [TS]

00:57:06   those now [TS]

00:57:07   well first of all the the rumors are [TS]

00:57:10   pretty strong that this is the event [TS]

00:57:12   where the 9.7 inch new iPad will be [TS]

00:57:15   released audio you still spoil it for me [TS]

00:57:17   I could have been pleasantly surprised [TS]

00:57:19   yeah how do you not know that I've been [TS]

00:57:21   trying to stay away from you know the [TS]

00:57:24   the million sites that will tell me the [TS]

00:57:26   list of things that are likely to appear [TS]

00:57:28   okay well basically everybody is [TS]

00:57:31   reporting the same rumors including ATP [TS]

00:57:34   tipster reporting the same rumors that [TS]

00:57:36   basically [TS]

00:57:37   this is that event and we should [TS]

00:57:39   probably expect that to happen like it [TS]

00:57:42   almost certainly I I don't think [TS]

00:57:43   anyone's even doubt any part of it [TS]

00:57:44   anymore but basically that's going to [TS]

00:57:47   happen in all likelihood and it is 9.7 [TS]

00:57:50   inch iPad that's kind of like a mini [TS]

00:57:52   ipad pro so it'll it'll have a smart [TS]

00:57:55   connector it'll have those for speaker [TS]

00:57:58   arrangement and it will be nice and fast [TS]

00:58:01   and use some variant of the a 9 X and it [TS]

00:58:04   supports the pencil but wondering how [TS]

00:58:06   how they're going to find space for the [TS]

00:58:07   big speaker cavities do this means I'll [TS]

00:58:09   have for speakers that is the the rumor [TS]

00:58:12   is that will have this a similar for [TS]

00:58:13   speaker arrangement as the new as the [TS]

00:58:15   ipad pro I think they could possibly do [TS]

00:58:18   it i mean with the ipad their their main [TS]

00:58:21   limitation is wait it's not necessarily [TS]

00:58:25   size weight is the big one so like they [TS]

00:58:28   could they presumably like I don't think [TS]

00:58:30   every inch of that case needs to be full [TS]

00:58:33   of battery you know because I let me [TS]

00:58:35   look at the ipad pro yeah but you know [TS]

00:58:36   if you look at that head pro it's not [TS]

00:58:38   the case is so much bigger there's what [TS]

00:58:39   I don't they just make it thicker [TS]

00:58:41   obviously but that's so calendar do what [TS]

00:58:42   they always do like all you gotta do is [TS]

00:58:44   make it a millimeter thicker and then [TS]

00:58:45   suddenly you gain back all the area that [TS]

00:58:47   you want for the or you just make the [TS]

00:58:48   cavity smaller i know i'm sure that [TS]

00:58:50   working out i'm just curious about what [TS]

00:58:51   it looks like but I real-time follow up [TS]

00:58:52   the total amount of data stored and [TS]

00:58:54   overcast upload so far is a hundred and [TS]

00:58:56   eighty nine gigs that I'm not bad for [TS]

00:58:58   like three days after release and I have [TS]

00:59:00   that is impressive in do of any feel for [TS]

00:59:02   how many files that is just ballpark [TS]

00:59:04   this doesn't tell me that something [TS]

00:59:07   wasn't right [TS]

00:59:10   yeah no I'm not going to anyway doesn't [TS]

00:59:12   matter a lot [TS]

00:59:14   480 acres I mean might have a limit of [TS]

00:59:16   500 megs profile so it's probably maybe [TS]

00:59:19   know I've raised its a gig profile now [TS]

00:59:21   so you know it's it's gotta be at least [TS]

00:59:24   a hundred mediate it's probably before [TS]

00:59:28   anyway so I think this will be a major [TS]

00:59:32   ipad update because for one thing it i [TS]

00:59:34   think that bringing the pencil to the 10 [TS]

00:59:36   inch line is a really big deal and by [TS]

00:59:39   all accounts that we're going to do that [TS]

00:59:41   is going to be huge because for so many [TS]

00:59:43   people they really want the pencil but [TS]

00:59:46   the ipad pro is just too big because he [TS]

00:59:49   had probably you really have to be like [TS]

00:59:51   really into working on the ipad like on [TS]

00:59:54   a table or a desk like you have to be [TS]

00:59:55   really into that kind of setup like [TS]

00:59:57   almost like a mini laptop really you [TS]

00:59:59   have to be using it that [TS]

00:59:59   have to be using it that [TS]

01:00:00   I way to be comfortable for a lot of a [TS]

01:00:02   lot of people the way most people use [TS]

01:00:04   iPads kind of like in one arm like kind [TS]

01:00:07   of sitting like I I'm gonna catch [TS]

01:00:09   something like the way most people use [TS]

01:00:11   ipad i think that the ipad pro is is not [TS]

01:00:15   great that you can do it but it's really [TS]

01:00:16   not great for that and in some cases [TS]

01:00:18   maybe you can't do it so I think there's [TS]

01:00:20   a lot of people who would like the [TS]

01:00:22   features of the ipad pro but just wanted [TS]

01:00:23   to be smaller and you know just for [TS]

01:00:26   physical dimension reasons so I think [TS]

01:00:29   this will sell very well for an ipad i [TS]

01:00:31   don't think it's going to revive the [TS]

01:00:33   ipad and save it you know by itself it [TS]

01:00:37   might be part of a combination of things [TS]

01:00:38   that revived the ipad but i know i don't [TS]

01:00:40   think this alone will do it but I think [TS]

01:00:43   it's gonna be a really nice update is [TS]

01:00:44   going to be a success I think and if I [TS]

01:00:47   use my iPad more than 0 times ever i [TS]

01:00:49   would totally get it because it looks [TS]

01:00:52   really good [TS]

01:00:53   unfortunately a in maybe you know I [TS]

01:00:55   might get anything I had an idea for an [TS]

01:00:56   app to use the pencil but i don't think [TS]

01:00:58   i'm probably gonna get that idea anytime [TS]

01:00:59   soon so I'm probably wait on that not [TS]

01:01:01   probably like this version but that the [TS]

01:01:04   only thing that we can get this version [TS]

01:01:05   i think if I decided before with that [TS]

01:01:07   happen I would get a test on but I'm not [TS]

01:01:09   gonna happen i'm really hoping for even [TS]

01:01:11   though i'm not at all in the market for [TS]

01:01:13   a laptop i am really hoping for the new [TS]

01:01:17   macbook pros whatever else happens to be [TS]

01:01:19   released has the keyboard mechanism from [TS]

01:01:23   the magic keyboard if you haven't follow [TS]

01:01:25   me on twitter i won't shut up about how [TS]

01:01:27   much i love the match keyboard because [TS]

01:01:28   guess what I'm so amped for the thought [TS]

01:01:30   of that keyboard being on a macbook pro [TS]

01:01:33   because now typing on my break basically [TS]

01:01:37   brand new as I sit here today [TS]

01:01:39   Mac with 15-inch macbook macbook pro the [TS]

01:01:42   keys are just mushi by comparison to the [TS]

01:01:45   to the magic the magic keyboard and I [TS]

01:01:48   and I want the Magic keyboard in a [TS]

01:01:50   macbook pro some fears [TS]

01:01:52   yeah so I guess what Michael pronoun or [TS]

01:01:56   anything else about the ipad know but [TS]

01:01:58   there's also the iphone and the watch [TS]

01:01:59   band anyway we'll get there [TS]

01:02:01   yeah so macbook pro entirely skylight [TS]

01:02:04   ships this past winter like in CS when [TS]

01:02:07   I'm whatever time scale that was our we [TS]

01:02:09   are in that ballpark skylake is a big [TS]

01:02:11   deal [TS]

01:02:11   basically it's the New River [TS]

01:02:13   version of the intel cpus that is [TS]

01:02:15   dramatically lower battery life or [TS]

01:02:18   directly less battery usage and a pretty [TS]

01:02:21   decent performance increase as well so [TS]

01:02:23   it ends up that if you you know by [TS]

01:02:25   switching the sky like if you keep the [TS]

01:02:27   size of the thing the same you can get a [TS]

01:02:29   nice long battery out of it if you if [TS]

01:02:31   you just want to keep the battery life [TS]

01:02:33   the same then you can trick the size of [TS]

01:02:34   the laptop you can make it thinner and [TS]

01:02:36   lighter so what we've heard from ATP [TS]

01:02:39   tipster quite a lot actually but you [TS]

01:02:42   know what we've heard is that this [TS]

01:02:44   update or some updates soon like [TS]

01:02:47   basically like these these laptops exist [TS]

01:02:49   we don't know if they'll be released on [TS]

01:02:50   wednesday but this update has happened [TS]

01:02:53   internally and they're they're like done [TS]

01:02:55   they're ready to go so who but you know [TS]

01:02:57   with until you never know whether they [TS]

01:02:59   can get enough chips and weather until [TS]

01:03:00   it entails a message as a partner to [TS]

01:03:03   depend on quick like intelligent holding [TS]

01:03:05   back Mac releases for years now because [TS]

01:03:07   just like they just can't advance their [TS]

01:03:09   own stuff they can get the process up [TS]

01:03:10   they can yield up whatever else but [TS]

01:03:12   sometime very soon and probably this [TS]

01:03:14   event is going to be a significant [TS]

01:03:17   update to the macbook pro line including [TS]

01:03:18   and also the the macbook one and so it [TS]

01:03:22   moving moving moving the mollusk I like [TS]

01:03:24   basically and of course with this lesson [TS]

01:03:26   to do as I said earlier is you can [TS]

01:03:27   either increase the battery life or you [TS]

01:03:28   can make the thinner and lighter so [TS]

01:03:30   coordinated tipster the the macbook one [TS]

01:03:33   little skinny one port thing with the [TS]

01:03:35   crappy keyboard that is apparently [TS]

01:03:37   getting skylight but with you know not [TS]

01:03:40   really other meaningful changes the the [TS]

01:03:42   USBC port it has will become a [TS]

01:03:44   thunderbolt three USBC port i think but [TS]

01:03:46   that will be a big deal because you know [TS]

01:03:49   that enables faster things and better [TS]

01:03:51   monitor and stuff like that but the main [TS]

01:03:53   thing is with the macbook one it will [TS]

01:03:54   get a decent performance increase but [TS]

01:03:56   again keep in mind it you know if a lot [TS]

01:03:58   of people are hoping for the macbook 12 [TS]

01:04:00   somehow reach the level of like last [TS]

01:04:03   year's macbook pro or something it won't [TS]

01:04:04   they can't the the thermal differences [TS]

01:04:06   there like this is a fanless computer [TS]

01:04:09   made to dissipate like 6 watts of heat [TS]

01:04:11   or whatever it's not it can't you can't [TS]

01:04:13   put a cpu class that that's made for [TS]

01:04:16   like 25 watt enclosure it can dissipate [TS]

01:04:19   heat so the macbook one CPUs are never [TS]

01:04:23   going to be fast relative to the ones [TS]

01:04:25   you can get by going a little bit large [TS]

01:04:26   with a fan like they're never gonna be [TS]

01:04:28   that fast and it's never going to be [TS]

01:04:29   close [TS]

01:04:30   they just can't be by just thermals of [TS]

01:04:32   CPU design but it will be probably you [TS]

01:04:36   know a good you know ten to twenty-five [TS]

01:04:38   percent faster than it is now something [TS]

01:04:39   like that like in that ballpark and it's [TS]

01:04:42   also going to probably have something [TS]

01:04:43   like ten to thirty percent better [TS]

01:04:44   battery life something like that so it [TS]

01:04:47   takes this computer that was pretty [TS]

01:04:50   underpowered and had pretty mediocre [TS]

01:04:52   battery life and it makes those things [TS]

01:04:55   better [TS]

01:04:56   you know not a hundred percent better [TS]

01:04:57   but decently better so epic one will get [TS]

01:05:00   a little better i would also speculate I [TS]

01:05:03   haven't heard anything about this yet [TS]

01:05:04   but I would speculate on the on the [TS]

01:05:07   invitation to the event the the [TS]

01:05:09   invitation apples and I know we don't [TS]

01:05:11   want to look too much into it [TS]

01:05:12   however it is pretty obvious on the [TS]

01:05:13   invitation that they have clearly [TS]

01:05:15   featured the the the colors of the [TS]

01:05:18   metals they've been offering on the [TS]

01:05:19   iphone they have the the space grey the [TS]

01:05:21   rose gold the gold in the aluminum they [TS]

01:05:23   have all those colors like kind of [TS]

01:05:25   forming the logo on the on the [TS]

01:05:27   invitation so I have to imagine this [TS]

01:05:30   indicates they're going to offer these [TS]

01:05:32   colors on the new laptops notably they [TS]

01:05:35   don't currently offer the the pink of [TS]

01:05:37   the year excuse me rose gold they they [TS]

01:05:39   don't offer rose gold macbook ones yet [TS]

01:05:42   and they don't offer any colors on the [TS]

01:05:44   macbook pros yet it would be cool if [TS]

01:05:46   they offered all four colors on all the [TS]

01:05:48   macbook pros and according to a teacher [TS]

01:05:51   that that might be the case so I'm [TS]

01:05:53   looking forward if they do that i would [TS]

01:05:54   love to have those color options or more [TS]

01:05:57   color options but i would love to [TS]

01:05:58   restart with those that would be it'd be [TS]

01:06:00   great to just have something different [TS]

01:06:01   from the plane aluminum that we've seen [TS]

01:06:04   for god knows how long [TS]

01:06:06   right totally i bought my first mac when [TS]

01:06:10   the polycarbonate macbook was a thing [TS]

01:06:12   and I remember wanting the what people [TS]

01:06:16   called the black book which is basically [TS]

01:06:17   a black plastic macbook I wanted that [TS]

01:06:20   thing so badly [TS]

01:06:22   probably because I came from thinkpads [TS]

01:06:24   overall black but to this day I still [TS]

01:06:26   think it looks really really really good [TS]

01:06:29   and I wanted it so bad but it was like a [TS]

01:06:31   hundred fifty dollars or something like [TS]

01:06:33   that [TS]

01:06:33   you're the only difference was the case [TS]

01:06:34   and that collect fingerprints like crazy [TS]

01:06:36   like that was that i did not know [TS]

01:06:38   neither eii we [TS]

01:06:40   couple number office people hadn't I got [TS]

01:06:42   to see him like during that time and [TS]

01:06:43   they never look good in person because [TS]

01:06:45   like and needed you know the white ones [TS]

01:06:48   would have the discoloring palmrest when [TS]

01:06:50   it wasn't actually from your hands [TS]

01:06:52   necessarily they would actually the [TS]

01:06:53   plastic just color with heat and it [TS]

01:06:55   would also just color if you had your [TS]

01:06:57   hands all over and they were dirty but [TS]

01:06:58   like I got my top case replaced in the [TS]

01:07:01   middle of having my white macbook with [TS]

01:07:02   the replacement I put a little like one [TS]

01:07:04   of those little like stick on protectors [TS]

01:07:06   on it like a clear screen protector on [TS]

01:07:08   it so my hands never actually rested on [TS]

01:07:10   it and it still discolored and yeah it [TS]

01:07:12   turns out like that you know as we [TS]

01:07:14   learned but the white iphone being [TS]

01:07:15   delayed for like almost a year remember [TS]

01:07:17   that as we learned making white plastic [TS]

01:07:19   that age as well on stands up to heat is [TS]

01:07:21   really hard and they just didn't do it [TS]

01:07:23   right or they haven't figured it out yet [TS]

01:07:25   so the black one had had a different [TS]

01:07:27   finish that the white one had a glossy [TS]

01:07:29   me smooth finish the black ones like [TS]

01:07:31   this weird Matt almost rubbery finish [TS]

01:07:33   and it just showed the slightest hint of [TS]

01:07:37   finger oils just from like picking it up [TS]

01:07:39   you have these giant Willie fingerprints [TS]

01:07:41   visible on the case it was really not [TS]

01:07:43   but it it's unfortunate like when it was [TS]

01:07:46   perfectly immaculate it did look really [TS]

01:07:48   nice but that lasted like a day and then [TS]

01:07:50   that was it the aluminum ones have the [TS]

01:07:52   same problem back in the day like I have [TS]

01:07:55   one of the later non unibody before any [TS]

01:07:58   unibody a apple portables came out [TS]

01:08:01   aluminum and that aluminum will get [TS]

01:08:04   these weird smudges like they would they [TS]

01:08:06   didn't wipe off they would end up like [TS]

01:08:08   discoloring the aluminum from oils on [TS]

01:08:10   your fingers from just kids gross like [TS]

01:08:13   you couldn't wash it off and this was [TS]

01:08:15   not great in the new ones like on the [TS]

01:08:16   macbook and I know because that my kids [TS]

01:08:18   grimy hands are all of these things and [TS]

01:08:19   now the kids have graduated up to or the [TS]

01:08:22   computers have graduated down to the [TS]

01:08:23   kids like that now they're using the old [TS]

01:08:25   macbook air and it just even though it's [TS]

01:08:27   the same color as the same boring silver [TS]

01:08:29   that it's always been [TS]

01:08:30   it stands up better to finger grease and [TS]

01:08:33   grime and i think the the current crop [TS]

01:08:36   of like the ones at the space gray or [TS]

01:08:38   whatever the darker color one that one [TS]

01:08:41   seems like it should hold up even better [TS]

01:08:43   i think i think they finally figured out [TS]

01:08:44   how to make a surface the aluminum [TS]

01:08:47   services durable and doesn't discolor [TS]

01:08:50   then different colors of it like the [TS]

01:08:51   gold and then the space grey only [TS]

01:08:53   improve that because the hardest one to [TS]

01:08:55   get is the one that's like the lightest [TS]

01:08:56   or the closest to white which is the the [TS]

01:08:58   plain old silver so even if I hadn't [TS]

01:09:00   seen rumors about this which I had I [TS]

01:09:02   would've fully expect just because [TS]

01:09:03   because the macbook one is available [TS]

01:09:04   most colors they'll all be available [TS]

01:09:06   most colleges so just aluminum and [TS]

01:09:08   they're making a million things [TS]

01:09:09   analyzing different ways and I think [TS]

01:09:10   that really got the the anodizing and [TS]

01:09:13   the surface treatment of this aluminum [TS]

01:09:14   down at this point that they totally [TS]

01:09:16   should do that and I don't know if [TS]

01:09:18   they're gonna charge more for them they [TS]

01:09:19   didn't want the macbook one and said I'm [TS]

01:09:21   not unlike the black book which was [TS]

01:09:23   whatever you know I said hundred fifty [TS]

01:09:25   dollars it's just a way to make them [TS]

01:09:27   more attractive machines and if they [TS]

01:09:29   have a pink one that will definitely [TS]

01:09:31   help because that like that's the first [TS]

01:09:32   sort of non-boring color is the other [TS]

01:09:35   ones like all right well there are [TS]

01:09:36   shades of gray and a gold that bear [TS]

01:09:39   looks cool but I would like a red one a [TS]

01:09:41   blue one yellow one [TS]

01:09:42   you know we used to have multicolored [TS]

01:09:43   imax and they were fun and we love them [TS]

01:09:46   now we're you know we're still kind of [TS]

01:09:48   timidly dipping our toe into colors that [TS]

01:09:51   are not just different shades of silver [TS]

01:09:54   or brown and also you know just like the [TS]

01:09:57   actual design of the macbooks has [TS]

01:09:59   changed so little you know in the last [TS]

01:10:01   10 years i really like going going [TS]

01:10:04   through your body transition and and [TS]

01:10:06   then going from from unibody 2 retina [TS]

01:10:08   it's still just kinda looks like the [TS]

01:10:12   same laptop just you know dinner it's [TS]

01:10:15   like it it's still it still looks very [TS]

01:10:18   similar and and it i think they look [TS]

01:10:20   good you know i think the current does [TS]

01:10:22   look good but it's pretty boring by now [TS]

01:10:25   it's everywhere and and you know as [TS]

01:10:28   Apple has gotten more popular this [TS]

01:10:29   issues even gotten worse because I kind [TS]

01:10:31   of feel like I want to mince some room [TS]

01:10:33   for individuality and i know i'm not [TS]

01:10:35   going to get a huge amount of that [TS]

01:10:36   especially by a space gray one intro to [TS]

01:10:39   an apple conference like i know i'm not [TS]

01:10:41   going to get that which individuality [TS]

01:10:42   there but i would like just something to [TS]

01:10:45   push us a little in that direction you [TS]

01:10:47   know anyway 50 pictures right there's [TS]

01:10:50   also substantial update to the macbook [TS]

01:10:52   pro and this to me is more interesting [TS]

01:10:54   because the epic one we've already seen [TS]

01:10:56   I've decided it's not for me a lot of [TS]

01:10:58   people decided that or that it is for [TS]

01:10:59   them and the update to the epic one is [TS]

01:11:01   probably gonna be a fairly minor one [TS]

01:11:03   where the update the macbook pro is is [TS]

01:11:05   if he's right [TS]

01:11:06   remember to be substantial and this is [TS]

01:11:10   going to be a you know a significant [TS]

01:11:12   design update because i like has enabled [TS]

01:11:14   black to become thinner and lighter [TS]

01:11:16   because you know they're gonna shave off [TS]

01:11:18   the quote excess battery because i love [TS]

01:11:21   the kind of that but you know i'm pretty [TS]

01:11:23   sure that's how you look at it and you [TS]

01:11:24   know you can argue whether it is whether [TS]

01:11:26   it is an excess i'm sure i will argue [TS]

01:11:27   that eventually again but i suspect [TS]

01:11:29   based on is based on the information [TS]

01:11:31   here I expect that the new macbook pro [TS]

01:11:34   will look like the macbook 1 i'm just [TS]

01:11:37   you know not that small obviously but [TS]

01:11:39   had a similar styling so also offered in [TS]

01:11:42   the color metals a thinner design [TS]

01:11:45   probably not tapered but a thinner [TS]

01:11:46   design using skylight ships i would [TS]

01:11:49   expect roughly the 13-inch macbook pro [TS]

01:11:52   to be effectively a replacement for 3413 [TS]

01:11:55   chair at this point you know when [TS]

01:11:57   introduced the map of one fans of the [TS]

01:11:59   air very disappointed because it seemed [TS]

01:12:01   as though they were probably not going [TS]

01:12:03   to ever touch the air again and that the [TS]

01:12:05   long wished for retina air was probably [TS]

01:12:07   not going to happen that the macbook one [TS]

01:12:09   is the retina air and that seems you [TS]

01:12:12   know so far that seems to probably [TS]

01:12:14   correct but the new macbook pro 13-inch [TS]

01:12:16   if you shave off it you know twenty [TS]

01:12:18   percent of the way to 13 inch or [TS]

01:12:20   whatever you know if you shave off a [TS]

01:12:21   significant chunk of that weight then [TS]

01:12:24   and make a little bit thinner than the [TS]

01:12:25   13-inch macbook pro is very close to the [TS]

01:12:28   size and weight of the 13 a chair and [TS]

01:12:30   its retina and it's newer more modern [TS]

01:12:32   and so you know supposedly it that [TS]

01:12:34   sounds really good like if that's all [TS]

01:12:36   true and and the rumor is also a that it [TS]

01:12:40   retains the same portslade it's not [TS]

01:12:42   gonna lose you know tons of ports can [TS]

01:12:44   retain the ports and just trade in the [TS]

01:12:46   Thunderbolts for the four new USBC [TS]

01:12:50   thunderball three ports if that's true [TS]

01:12:52   that's great that's like a great laptop [TS]

01:12:54   like the you know the 15 or 13 it the [TS]

01:12:57   they're both you know tipster says [TS]

01:12:58   they're both gonna gonna be like that i [TS]

01:13:01   would love either of those honestly the [TS]

01:13:02   13 would be a fantastic replacement for [TS]

01:13:05   the macbook air at least the 13th [TS]

01:13:07   version of the map where the 11 chair [TS]

01:13:09   fans [TS]

01:13:09   I'm sorry you're screwed you got the [TS]

01:13:11   macbook one but if you're a fan of 13 [TS]

01:13:13   share i think the 13 inch pro then [TS]

01:13:16   you know if this is all true that will [TS]

01:13:17   be awesome like that will be a fantastic [TS]

01:13:19   all-around laptop it will be thin and [TS]

01:13:22   light and powerful and we'll have a [TS]

01:13:24   Retina screen and tons of ports for [TS]

01:13:26   usefulness [TS]

01:13:27   that sounds great the 15-inch will also [TS]

01:13:30   become even more compelling you know if [TS]

01:13:32   if this all works out then the 15-inch [TS]

01:13:34   you know kind of like drops itself i [TS]

01:13:36   like half a weight class basically so it [TS]

01:13:38   becomes even thinner and lighter and you [TS]

01:13:41   know again it's already you know the [TS]

01:13:42   current 15 is already pretty good for a [TS]

01:13:44   15-inch this becomes even thinner [TS]

01:13:46   lighter i really hope this is all true i [TS]

01:13:48   would love to see this come out next [TS]

01:13:50   week if not we'll probably have it at [TS]

01:13:52   uwc maybe or sometime between now and [TS]

01:13:55   then but if you look at what's in this [TS]

01:13:57   event you have the new iPad and then you [TS]

01:14:00   have we have hardware which is the new [TS]

01:14:01   4g iphone those are both kind of like [TS]

01:14:04   mid grade too low end products and also [TS]

01:14:08   a new watch bands but not even and and [TS]

01:14:10   possibly a minor update to the wash but [TS]

01:14:12   probably not even that you kind of have [TS]

01:14:14   like all these kind of low and low [TS]

01:14:16   profile products i'm hoping the macbooks [TS]

01:14:19   are what makes the event kind of [TS]

01:14:21   complete that the macbook and macbook [TS]

01:14:23   pros would be like this is it isn't just [TS]

01:14:25   all boring low and stuff it's also hey [TS]

01:14:28   here's here's some new stuff for the [TS]

01:14:30   laptops that you're all using you know [TS]

01:14:32   here's a significant new versions of [TS]

01:14:33   these laptops [TS]

01:14:35   I hope that's what's going on here now [TS]

01:14:36   about that four-inch iphone what do you [TS]

01:14:39   think about that John would you use it [TS]

01:14:41   for so long with you would you get a 4g [TS]

01:14:43   iphone i can't go back now i think i've [TS]

01:14:46   been thinking about it and like and we [TS]

01:14:47   have enough little ipod touch around the [TS]

01:14:49   house like in some ways i miss the [TS]

01:14:51   portability but I'm just so used to the [TS]

01:14:53   the big screen now I don't think I can [TS]

01:14:56   go back and it's the 516 does still feel [TS]

01:14:59   a little bit unwieldy in my pocket but i [TS]

01:15:00   don't know if i went to a store and [TS]

01:15:02   everything on my two years was up and I [TS]

01:15:04   need a new phone i think i could pick [TS]

01:15:06   this exercise so I'm I'm a convert but I [TS]

01:15:10   would assume that they are going to [TS]

01:15:12   offer the smaller phone and that the [TS]

01:15:14   smaller from will be cheaper in keeping [TS]

01:15:15   with the trend that the plus is more [TS]

01:15:17   expensive than the six the smaller phone [TS]

01:15:19   will be less expensive than this [TS]

01:15:21   exercise devices probably add a [TS]

01:15:24   proportion to the cost savings that they [TS]

01:15:26   get from using a smaller screen [TS]

01:15:28   because they do get some cost savings [TS]

01:15:29   for using a smaller screen and a smaller [TS]

01:15:32   battery and like all that stuff does [TS]

01:15:33   cost less but not you know not that much [TS]

01:15:38   less i think that i think this will be [TS]

01:15:39   the the lowest end of the current [TS]

01:15:42   generation of iphone which is kind of a [TS]

01:15:45   shame for the people who are hoping for [TS]

01:15:47   the best that Apple could pack into a [TS]

01:15:50   small package but I think they're going [TS]

01:15:52   to be disappointed [TS]

01:15:53   yeah I don't know it's funny because I [TS]

01:15:56   definitely wanted all the new insides [TS]

01:16:00   when I got the six last year I guess two [TS]

01:16:02   years ago now but I really didn't want a [TS]

01:16:06   bigger phone and to this day the phone [TS]

01:16:10   doesn't feel bad in my hand but we use a [TS]

01:16:14   a 5s as like a noisemaker when Declan is [TS]

01:16:17   sleeping so I handle the 5s at least [TS]

01:16:20   once a day and our man does that feel so [TS]

01:16:23   much better my hand if he feels perfect [TS]

01:16:26   in my hand it really does and i think [TS]

01:16:28   that's 95% sighs and a little bit on the [TS]

01:16:32   edges but mostly it's the size the [TS]

01:16:36   problem though is that I don't know if I [TS]

01:16:38   can go back from a phone that's got this [TS]

01:16:41   much screen real estate and so I think [TS]

01:16:44   like John I probably am a permanent [TS]

01:16:47   convert I mean I'm not a maniac I'm not [TS]

01:16:49   gonna go + club but i think i'm a [TS]

01:16:51   permanent convert in the six size [TS]

01:16:56   category but gosh i'm gonna have a real [TS]

01:17:00   crisis of decision making it when they [TS]

01:17:03   show us something that looks really [TS]

01:17:05   pretty but is the same size as a five [TS]

01:17:08   ass have high hopes for this phone even [TS]

01:17:11   though i don't plan to get 1 i'm glad [TS]

01:17:12   that it's even remember that it's very [TS]

01:17:14   little gets very likely to happen i'm [TS]

01:17:15   glad that they care about the 4 inch [TS]

01:17:17   size the iphone 6 and 6 plus sizes are [TS]

01:17:19   good for a lot of people but not [TS]

01:17:22   everyone and to totally abandon the 4 [TS]

01:17:25   inch line i think what would have been a [TS]

01:17:27   mistake and would have really made life [TS]

01:17:30   a little less comedian for a lot of [TS]

01:17:31   people so i'm glad i really like doing [TS]

01:17:34   this I'm very happy that that we're [TS]

01:17:35   gonna have these options in the lineup [TS]

01:17:36   again for people who do want them and [TS]

01:17:38   I'm glad that that the option is just [TS]

01:17:40   going to be like oh you can you can [TS]

01:17:42   choose [TS]

01:17:42   they're like a new giant phone or an old [TS]

01:17:44   piece of crap it seems like the gap [TS]

01:17:46   between if the rumored specs are correct [TS]

01:17:49   it's going to basically be a mini [TS]

01:17:50   success with maybe a little bit lower [TS]

01:17:53   clock speed for thermal reasons but it [TS]

01:17:56   seems like it's going to have current [TS]

01:17:58   generation hardware for the most part [TS]

01:18:00   you know we'll see i don't think we know [TS]

01:18:01   really what the camera is going to be at [TS]

01:18:03   probably won't be as good as sex just [TS]

01:18:04   for size for cost reasons but it's [TS]

01:18:06   probably close you know and and so I [TS]

01:18:09   think it's going to be a really nice [TS]

01:18:11   product for a lot of people and i'm glad [TS]

01:18:13   i was gonna happen I i do think you know [TS]

01:18:15   John you kinda you talk about a little [TS]

01:18:17   bit i do think it is kind of unfortunate [TS]

01:18:20   that apple charges by size so by pricing [TS]

01:18:24   they are going to have to make this like [TS]

01:18:25   the lowest SPECT phone in addition to [TS]

01:18:28   the you know the kind of smallest one [TS]

01:18:31   it does kind of suck that people who get [TS]

01:18:33   the get the small phone probably never [TS]

01:18:35   going to have the best hardware but [TS]

01:18:38   it'll be better than using you know [TS]

01:18:39   two-year-old three-year-old hardware so [TS]

01:18:41   you know overall pretty good i'm looking [TS]

01:18:44   forward to it [TS]

01:18:45   design-wise i'm totally with you guys I [TS]

01:18:47   really don't care for the six physical [TS]

01:18:50   design at all i think and the six [TS]

01:18:52   estimated slightly better by making the [TS]

01:18:56   finish on the case slightly less [TS]

01:18:58   slippery but not enough [TS]

01:19:00   i I really do not like the little [TS]

01:19:02   slippery bar of soap design i don't like [TS]

01:19:05   that i have to use a case now i have to [TS]

01:19:06   use apples other case now just to get [TS]

01:19:08   grip [TS]

01:19:09   I don't like cases I don't like having [TS]

01:19:11   all the dust collector around the edge i [TS]

01:19:12   don't like the extra bulk the day that [TS]

01:19:14   they add I I don't like spending another [TS]

01:19:17   40 bucks every time I buy a new phone is [TS]

01:19:19   like it just like cases are really in [TS]

01:19:22   elegant solution and no lot of people [TS]

01:19:24   use them and that's fine but surely it's [TS]

01:19:27   better if you design a phone that [TS]

01:19:29   doesn't need a case for so many people [TS]

01:19:30   some people can use the case regardless [TS]

01:19:32   lot of people using case regardless it [TS]

01:19:34   needs a case for any my phone before [TS]

01:19:35   this and it was fine and and the six in [TS]

01:19:38   the success [TS]

01:19:39   I I need a case to hold them securely [TS]

01:19:40   and that kind of sucks i'm hoping with [TS]

01:19:43   the iphone 7 design this fall i'm hoping [TS]

01:19:47   that it improves the the real world hold [TS]

01:19:51   ability somehow [TS]

01:19:53   I'm honestly not that hopeful that it [TS]

01:19:54   will i'm not as down on the six shape in [TS]

01:19:57   fact I'm i kinda wish i could use about [TS]

01:19:59   a case beside it's so nice to have the [TS]

01:20:01   curved glass and like the case messes [TS]

01:20:03   that up for it always stuff like that oh [TS]

01:20:05   yes but on the other hand i really like [TS]

01:20:07   my leather case i like the fact that it [TS]

01:20:08   is protected by this thin layer of stuff [TS]

01:20:10   that can get nicked up and that i can [TS]

01:20:12   replace it and that is gripping because [TS]

01:20:14   the leather is way more grippy than [TS]

01:20:15   anything [TS]

01:20:16   aluminum is ever going to be and i like [TS]

01:20:18   that that's why I was use silicone cases [TS]

01:20:20   for such a long time I like the [TS]

01:20:21   grittiness but if the seven is like this [TS]

01:20:24   like this i'll be getting a 17-6 will [TS]

01:20:26   welcome my two years with my sex will be [TS]

01:20:28   up and i'll end up getting a seven and [TS]

01:20:30   if it's more or less like the six but [TS]

01:20:32   improved insides I'm fine with it so [TS]

01:20:37   important question to go back to the [TS]

01:20:39   4-inch phone does it or does it not have [TS]

01:20:41   a camera bulge anything no right to [TS]

01:20:45   comment got not have one you know it [TS]

01:20:48   depends like so the reason i bring up [TS]

01:20:50   the seven also now is like you so we [TS]

01:20:51   have this release [TS]

01:20:53   that's literally halfway between the the [TS]

01:20:55   6 and the 7 that's the success and the [TS]

01:20:57   Seven design releases this phone [TS]

01:20:59   obviously they want they're gonna want [TS]

01:21:01   to be in the lineup for a while they're [TS]

01:21:03   not going to want you know they're not [TS]

01:21:04   going to make it look outdated in six [TS]

01:21:06   months [TS]

01:21:07   ideally so i'm guessing like so you [TS]

01:21:10   figure like will design of the new for [TS]

01:21:13   each phone more closely resemble the 6s [TS]

01:21:16   or the seven and/or the 5s that was on [TS]

01:21:19   the early rumors i don't see that well [TS]

01:21:21   because the 5s that it's 5s didn't have [TS]

01:21:23   a bulge so that's what makes me think [TS]

01:21:24   that they're making a 4-inch phone like [TS]

01:21:27   about the the only reason you need the [TS]

01:21:28   bulges like we we need to have the best [TS]

01:21:29   camera in the best camera just too big [TS]

01:21:31   to fit if it's too big to fit that just [TS]

01:21:33   won't give you the best camera and [TS]

01:21:34   they're going to have a non bulging [TS]

01:21:36   camera on the seven it seems like so [TS]

01:21:38   they could even put that in there they [TS]

01:21:40   want to have the good camera seems like [TS]

01:21:41   they're they're non bulge options are so [TS]

01:21:43   many including actually making including [TS]

01:21:46   actually making a little bit thicker [TS]

01:21:48   because hey this isn't the fanciest one [TS]

01:21:50   it's a little bit thicker it would still [TS]

01:21:51   be thinner than the 5s and still not [TS]

01:21:53   have a policy I think I feel like the [TS]

01:21:54   ball Jays for this class are probably [TS]

01:21:57   over and the only reason ipod touch the [TS]

01:21:59   house he's not care about the ipod touch [TS]

01:22:01   it because they have that is insanely [TS]

01:22:03   yeah I i hope that doesn't have a bulge [TS]

01:22:07   that but yeah so anyway I'm really [TS]

01:22:09   curious to see like will the design of [TS]

01:22:12   the new forest phone give us any hints [TS]

01:22:15   towards the design of the seven [TS]

01:22:16   basically like you know but will [TS]

01:22:18   indicate kind of where they're going or [TS]

01:22:21   is it just you know gonna look old or [TS]

01:22:23   the six design i think is is ugly [TS]

01:22:26   certainly I i think it hasn't it has [TS]

01:22:28   very little personality you know if you [TS]

01:22:30   look at almost every previous iphone [TS]

01:22:33   except maybe the 3g if you look at all [TS]

01:22:36   the ones i think they have a more [TS]

01:22:37   distinct look if you look at the 6i [TS]

01:22:40   think it looks like every android phone [TS]

01:22:42   and partisan has been copying happened [TS]

01:22:43   crazy butBut you know part of that also [TS]

01:22:45   just like there's a less there's less [TS]

01:22:47   about the six that is visually [TS]

01:22:49   distinctive where's like you know the [TS]

01:22:51   five and the 5s like these really is [TS]

01:22:53   beautiful pretty unique looking objects [TS]

01:22:57   that and and the four before that again [TS]

01:23:00   like you know that's really like unique [TS]

01:23:01   like double glass kind of thing [TS]

01:23:03   these are like really [TS]

01:23:04   distinctive-looking objects the six just [TS]

01:23:06   isn't distinctive it just looks like a [TS]

01:23:07   blob and it feels like a blob and and [TS]

01:23:09   the back i think is ugly [TS]

01:23:10   I like the sex look better than the five [TS]

01:23:12   never liked the five design it just [TS]

01:23:14   seemed like a boring tub of aluminum [TS]

01:23:16   chamfered edges not enough to redeem it [TS]

01:23:18   for me like this doesn't athletically [TS]

01:23:20   and and I think the 66 was not the first [TS]

01:23:23   one to use curved glass of the edge many [TS]

01:23:25   other phones including android phones to [TS]

01:23:27   that first so but I think Apple was wise [TS]

01:23:29   to pick that was the reason i think the [TS]

01:23:30   six looks better is because i like that [TS]

01:23:32   i like both the appearance and the feel [TS]

01:23:34   of the glass curving into the rest of [TS]

01:23:37   the case and the back of it doesn't look [TS]

01:23:39   that impressive but I don't think it has [TS]

01:23:40   to I think it's pleasingly smooth [TS]

01:23:42   included an admirable job of blending in [TS]

01:23:44   those weird antenna lines like that that [TS]

01:23:47   looks expensive and fancy to me even if [TS]

01:23:49   it aesthetically it doesn't look [TS]

01:23:50   particularly nice if this if this case [TS]

01:23:53   is to be believed they've changed that [TS]

01:23:55   antenna line to look a little bit more [TS]

01:23:56   swoopy and a little less utilitarian but [TS]

01:24:00   we don't know what the front looks like [TS]

01:24:01   I assume it looks the same but yeah I [TS]

01:24:02   think you can change the look of the [TS]

01:24:05   front by I mean adjusting chin sizes or [TS]

01:24:09   you know you could do much more [TS]

01:24:11   interesting things with the front of the [TS]

01:24:12   iphone [TS]

01:24:13   they're currently doing now and the back [TS]

01:24:15   of it there anodizing in various colors [TS]

01:24:16   all of which are very subtle i would say [TS]

01:24:19   the same thing I mean everything is for [TS]

01:24:20   years that I'm you know and I like the [TS]

01:24:22   5c I like the fact that they offered in [TS]

01:24:24   a bunch of rainbow colors [TS]

01:24:26   well I can't do that for the expensive [TS]

01:24:28   phones why do you have to choose between [TS]

01:24:29   the fastest inside or the fun color so [TS]

01:24:32   you know we all know one or two people [TS]

01:24:34   who ended up getting a 5c at least [TS]

01:24:36   partially because it's a more fun color [TS]

01:24:38   and sometimes they would sacrifice they [TS]

01:24:39   would say well I know it's not as fast [TS]

01:24:41   as I would really like the faster one [TS]

01:24:43   but i really want to have yellow phone [TS]

01:24:44   call it looks cool like that 5c was its [TS]

01:24:47   own case and I thought that was [TS]

01:24:48   interesting and fun and the top and [TS]

01:24:50   phone still don't do that so because [TS]

01:24:52   plenty of room to visually differentiate [TS]

01:24:54   but this one just ends up being a nicer [TS]

01:24:57   6i will be fine with that and i think [TS]

01:24:59   the market will be fine with it too [TS]

01:25:00   yeah I feel like I'm between you guys in [TS]

01:25:03   that I definitely think that the five [TS]

01:25:08   looked great and is probably my favorite [TS]

01:25:11   of all the iphone designs but the six [TS]

01:25:13   looks really good and I made them is the [TS]

01:25:15   the tragic mistake of taking my success [TS]

01:25:18   out of my cases you guys were talking [TS]

01:25:19   and now I'm holding it naked in my hands [TS]

01:25:22   and don't spill water on it [TS]

01:25:23   I i will attempt not to this phone does [TS]

01:25:28   is but I mean I like the leather case a [TS]

01:25:29   lot i've had apple other cases since I [TS]

01:25:31   can remember pretty much and say they [TS]

01:25:33   were offered but this phone without a [TS]

01:25:36   case on it does feel really good in the [TS]

01:25:38   hand in that it's more it's both more [TS]

01:25:41   and less comfortable right because it's [TS]

01:25:43   more comfortable and that the edges are [TS]

01:25:44   a little easier on the hand but it's [TS]

01:25:46   less comfortable that it's bigger [TS]

01:25:48   in fact it's a little too big if I'm [TS]

01:25:50   trying to reach from with my right hand [TS]

01:25:51   from the from the bottom right where my [TS]

01:25:53   thumb is all the way up to the upper [TS]

01:25:55   left and the only remember what it what [TS]

01:25:57   it's called little mode where the [TS]

01:25:59   everything kind of drops down a little [TS]

01:26:01   bit where you double reach ability [TS]

01:26:03   yes that's right that's right that's [TS]

01:26:05   just such a hack but yes i know it's [TS]

01:26:08   it's tough because I both loving and [TS]

01:26:11   wish for less and the in the six but i [TS]

01:26:15   don't think i could go back to a smaller [TS]

01:26:17   screen i really don't [TS]

01:26:18   yeah I don't like it either I mean like [TS]

01:26:20   it it once it's like when you move up [TS]

01:26:22   monitor sizes on your computer like it's [TS]

01:26:24   really hard to ever move down [TS]

01:26:26   I think same thing with the phone is not [TS]

01:26:28   even more so just how often you use a [TS]

01:26:29   phone but I think once you once you move [TS]

01:26:32   up to ask to the big screen size [TS]

01:26:34   I think moving back downward would you [TS]

01:26:37   could probably get used to it after like [TS]

01:26:39   a week but during that week you'd be [TS]

01:26:41   regretting every single minute getting [TS]

01:26:43   that phone and you might return it or [TS]

01:26:44   you know yeah I don't know I I think [TS]

01:26:47   moving back would be difficult but not [TS]

01:26:49   impossible [TS]

01:26:50   yeah but yeah i don't know i mean the [TS]

01:26:52   fact is like I'm actually thinking about [TS]

01:26:53   getting the plus within the next [TS]

01:26:55   generation you're an animal because my [TS]

01:26:57   is it might have been right was busy [TS]

01:26:59   right now we're gonna get you into an [TS]

01:27:00   ipad your phone just going to keep [TS]

01:27:01   getting bigger and bigger until you [TS]

01:27:03   realize you're hoping hoping i'm gonna [TS]

01:27:04   type ad prone to like put this phone [TS]

01:27:06   seems really big [TS]

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01:28:13   few times a year where i'll be on trip i [TS]

01:28:15   will need a file from my home computer [TS]

01:28:17   users couple weeks ago and i can just [TS]

01:28:20   log in the back please i don't i don't [TS]

01:28:21   have to worry about my computer being on [TS]

01:28:23   trying to use like the back to my Mac [TS]

01:28:25   think that honestly I've never had that [TS]

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01:28:39   want you [TS]

01:28:40   do all sorts of other restore methods as [TS]

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01:28:44   they just do every store if you want to [TS]

01:28:46   restore your entire like multiple [TS]

01:28:49   terabyte hard drive you can actually [TS]

01:28:51   have the mail you a USB hard drive with [TS]

01:28:55   all your stuff on it it's really they [TS]

01:28:57   have it they cover you in all these [TS]

01:28:59   different ways they have you know if you [TS]

01:29:00   want encryption they have encryption [TS]

01:29:02   like you know where you keep the key [TS]

01:29:03   there's no weird like add-ons or weird [TS]

01:29:07   charges or anything like that [TS]

01:29:08   five bucks per month per computer for [TS]

01:29:10   unlimited unfollow online backup and [TS]

01:29:13   trust me you want online backup and if [TS]

01:29:16   you're gonna use online backup i do [TS]

01:29:17   suggest back plays its the 1i use and [TS]

01:29:20   they're great I like them a lot [TS]

01:29:22   get a risk free no credit card required [TS]

01:29:23   trial by going to backpage.com / ATP [TS]

01:29:27   thanks for the back plays for sponsoring [TS]

01:29:28   our show so 7 plus or pro whatever the [TS]

01:29:34   rumors keep swirling that it might be [TS]

01:29:36   called iphone pro or might be another [TS]

01:29:37   model called optical iphone pro what [TS]

01:29:39   what's pro about it tho i guess the [TS]

01:29:41   cameras better it yet and it's big its I [TS]

01:29:45   guess I either going to confuse what [TS]

01:29:47   that means but the real intended to do [TS]

01:29:51   this and we'll see what I mean obviously [TS]

01:29:53   we don't know anything about this [TS]

01:29:54   product except that it probably will [TS]

01:29:56   exist and that it might contain a cool [TS]

01:29:59   dual camera system that the smaller [TS]

01:30:00   phone wont have if that's all true and [TS]

01:30:03   if it doesn't really suck for some other [TS]

01:30:05   way some other reason I'm tended to get [TS]

01:30:08   it because say i don't use an iPad be i [TS]

01:30:11   use my phone for so much like my phone [TS]

01:30:15   is really my my main computer for so [TS]

01:30:20   much of the day or so for so many parts [TS]

01:30:22   of my life while I'm traveling while I'm [TS]

01:30:25   just running errands around around town [TS]

01:30:27   while I'm just in different parts of my [TS]

01:30:29   house and not in my office [TS]

01:30:31   my phone is my computer for so much of [TS]

01:30:33   everyday i do so much on my phone and [TS]

01:30:36   there are there are often times when I [TS]

01:30:39   wish for a little more screen space [TS]

01:30:40   there are frequently times when I wish [TS]

01:30:43   more battery life and there are [TS]

01:30:45   frequently times where i wish i could [TS]

01:30:47   type a little bit more accurately and i [TS]

01:30:48   found in my in my brief times using a 6 [TS]

01:30:51   plus icon on a couple trips I've taken [TS]

01:30:52   it on [TS]

01:30:53   I have found that i can type more [TS]

01:30:55   accurately because the keys are larger [TS]

01:30:57   on that phone [TS]

01:30:58   it seems like my iphone typing scales up [TS]

01:31:01   in accuracy with sighs we're like I when [TS]

01:31:04   I try using I tried using the 5se the [TS]

01:31:05   day for testing for what i was doing [TS]

01:31:07   overcasting and I was a nest on that [TS]

01:31:10   keyboard [TS]

01:31:11   I don't know how I ever typed on those [TS]

01:31:13   key words before and and on the 6 i'm ok [TS]

01:31:16   16 plus i'm way more accurate so I think [TS]

01:31:20   it's kind of fits the way I thumb type [TS]

01:31:23   better so i think i could actually do a [TS]

01:31:26   lot more while on the way from my [TS]

01:31:28   computer if i use the six plus an error [TS]

01:31:30   that if i use the plus size focus of the [TS]

01:31:32   regular classroom [TS]

01:31:33   plus you know when I it when I have you [TS]

01:31:35   have been very happy with those benefits [TS]

01:31:36   the only my only reservations are that [TS]

01:31:39   also when I've used I've been really [TS]

01:31:41   turned off by how big it is in my pocket [TS]

01:31:43   so that's that's something i would have [TS]

01:31:45   to consider but I don't know you guys [TS]

01:31:47   sound like you're pretty pretty set on [TS]

01:31:49   i'm not going the plus-size between us [TS]

01:31:52   back up so you're saying that you really [TS]

01:31:54   really really love the feel of a 4-inch [TS]

01:31:57   phone but you're probably going to get [TS]

01:32:00   the 17 inch phone for your next phone it [TS]

01:32:03   just needs to have all three and so [TS]

01:32:04   depending on his Olympic moment you just [TS]

01:32:07   need to get those you know those [TS]

01:32:08   technical pants with the really big [TS]

01:32:09   pockets in them so he can have all three [TS]

01:32:11   and depending on you I feel like typing [TS]

01:32:12   more efficiently you want to i want to [TS]

01:32:14   have a little worried stone that I run [TS]

01:32:15   my hand up all the foreign phone do it [TS]

01:32:17   until I want to have the in-between [TS]

01:32:19   sizes publix it that's the only solution [TS]

01:32:21   review apparently my goodness I i do not [TS]

01:32:24   want to hear [TS]

01:32:24   Mike's feedback for this episode i'm [TS]

01:32:26   already driving that right when you [TS]

01:32:28   think if the if the seven plus a smart [TS]

01:32:30   connector I don't buy that for a second [TS]

01:32:33   so now now i'm not saying that I person [TS]

01:32:36   that I think that's gonna happen like [TS]

01:32:37   what would you think of that product is [TS]

01:32:38   that product more valuable to less [TS]

01:32:41   valuable to you or the same and you [TS]

01:32:43   think it's just that well look what [TS]

01:32:45   smoking does so far so the the rumor of [TS]

01:32:48   the new ipad is that it will also have [TS]

01:32:50   you know that the new the new tenant [TS]

01:32:52   ipad will allegedly have pencil support [TS]

01:32:54   ipad pro class cpu probably not quite as [TS]

01:32:57   high clocked and smart connector for the [TS]

01:33:00   currently the only thing that can use [TS]

01:33:02   this market are smart keyboard from [TS]

01:33:03   apple launched and four gigs of ram [TS]

01:33:05   please forgive me [TS]

01:33:06   hopefully we still don't know what this [TS]

01:33:09   mark connector will be four on the 10 [TS]

01:33:11   inch iPad we can assume it will probably [TS]

01:33:14   be for a smart keyboard but part of the [TS]

01:33:17   benefit of the smart Keyboard i'd say [TS]

01:33:19   probably the biggest benefit of it is [TS]

01:33:22   that it [TS]

01:33:23   it functions as a regular ipad cover a [TS]

01:33:25   bigger bulkier one but still a regular [TS]

01:33:27   ipad cover so that that makes it so that [TS]

01:33:30   it has to actually remain the same size [TS]

01:33:32   as the ipad for to keep that benefit so [TS]

01:33:35   i'm assuming they would also be a second [TS]

01:33:38   version of the Apple smart keyboard that [TS]

01:33:40   would be smaller would fit that size and [TS]

01:33:42   that makes sense i mean if you have you [TS]

01:33:44   guys ever use it like a ipad keyboard [TS]

01:33:46   cover for the potential ipad from [TS]

01:33:47   livestock and stuff [TS]

01:33:48   yep i don't think i have no they're [TS]

01:33:51   they're pretty good i mean like you know [TS]

01:33:52   their cramped but they're usable not [TS]

01:33:54   going to type on their good that in that [TS]

01:33:56   they when you close them they're the [TS]

01:33:57   same size as your ipod but as soon as [TS]

01:33:59   you open up their terrible keyboard i [TS]

01:34:01   would say they're ok I mean if you go [TS]

01:34:03   for it as much as you can make a usable [TS]

01:34:06   keyboard that's only you know 19 or [TS]

01:34:08   whatever wide its they're not bad [TS]

01:34:11   so it's possible to make one it's usable [TS]

01:34:13   however it's not possible in my opinion [TS]

01:34:16   to make one that's usable for the ipad [TS]

01:34:18   mini they've tried their companies have [TS]

01:34:20   tried if you're an elf you can get the [TS]

01:34:23   the ones for the many are really really [TS]

01:34:26   i think that's that has crossed a [TS]

01:34:28   threshold where it's just not possible [TS]

01:34:29   to comfortably like touch-type on [TS]

01:34:32   something that size i think obviously [TS]

01:34:34   there's like a limitation here of like [TS]

01:34:36   how small can you make a keyboard cover [TS]

01:34:39   that is the same size as the device that [TS]

01:34:41   it's covering and have it still be [TS]

01:34:43   usable physical keyboard [TS]

01:34:45   I don't accept that limitation which is [TS]

01:34:46   why I brought it up for the seven plus [TS]

01:34:48   there's obviously in the seven plus the [TS]

01:34:50   smart connector on the hypothetical [TS]

01:34:52   smart connected on the side thought [TS]

01:34:53   exercise you wouldn't be for a keyboard [TS]

01:34:55   that the same size as the seven plus you [TS]

01:34:58   would have to break out of that be more [TS]

01:34:59   like the old palm things where you have [TS]

01:35:01   this little tiny screen but say you're [TS]

01:35:04   on a plane and you have stashed in your [TS]

01:35:06   backpack a full-size keyboard with a [TS]

01:35:08   smart connector like that unfolds [TS]

01:35:11   yeah and then you'll be like oh I have [TS]

01:35:12   to do some serious emailing here I don't [TS]

01:35:14   want a thumb typing even on my 7 plus [TS]

01:35:16   turn it sideways smart connector shove [TS]

01:35:18   it into the keyboard put on your tray [TS]

01:35:19   table bubble [TS]

01:35:20   up and then the keyboard goes away like [TS]

01:35:22   the keyboard you don't no longer have to [TS]

01:35:24   tie the keyboard to the size of the [TS]

01:35:25   device then that would let you sort of [TS]

01:35:28   you know what would be your sort of on [TS]

01:35:30   your road thing I don't need to bring my [TS]

01:35:31   macbook one all i gotta bring is my [TS]

01:35:32   iphone 7 plus and my folded-up smart [TS]

01:35:35   connector keyboard / stand for the seven [TS]

01:35:38   plus if i need to do serious typing you [TS]

01:35:41   can also do that with the bluetooth [TS]

01:35:42   keyboard writte though you know yeah i [TS]

01:35:44   know but the smart connectors like you [TS]

01:35:45   don't have to have an extra battery that [TS]

01:35:46   you have to do and it could be thin air [TS]

01:35:48   can be parried from the the phone in the [TS]

01:35:49   seven plus what you're hoping has enough [TS]

01:35:51   power that you know the Light demands of [TS]

01:35:52   a keyboard and it can be magnetic and [TS]

01:35:55   you can fold up and be the cloth thing [TS]

01:35:57   like and you know how to deal with [TS]

01:35:59   bluetooth because in my experience the [TS]

01:36:00   the tenuous connection between any [TS]

01:36:02   device and its blues accessories is not [TS]

01:36:04   a fun thing to have to manage i don't [TS]

01:36:07   have problems with my keyboard mouse but [TS]

01:36:09   I mean teach around it's not the [TS]

01:36:11   keyboard and mouse that like you have [TS]

01:36:12   right in front of your computer it's [TS]

01:36:13   like my experiences are all WBC is the [TS]

01:36:15   only time I've ever do use any bluetooth [TS]

01:36:16   accessories the comp constantly my ipad [TS]

01:36:19   losing the Bluetooth connection to the [TS]

01:36:20   keyboard and my ipad losing the [TS]

01:36:22   tethering connection to my phone isn't [TS]

01:36:25   permanent with a smart keyboard also is [TS]

01:36:27   that the smart keyboard at least as we [TS]

01:36:30   know it so far the smart connected [TS]

01:36:32   devices are powered by the host iOS [TS]

01:36:35   device in theory this smart connector on [TS]

01:36:38   an iphone would have to use the iphone's [TS]

01:36:41   battery to power the keyboard now [TS]

01:36:42   keyboards in and we can kind of like [TS]

01:36:44   Wireless re you know otherwise keyboard [TS]

01:36:46   they use very little power [TS]

01:36:47   yeah they really don't take much but do [TS]

01:36:50   you really want something else draining [TS]

01:36:52   power from the phone like another yet [TS]

01:36:54   another thing power from the phone i was [TS]

01:36:55   assuming the keyboard is the the power [TS]

01:36:57   demands are so incredibly light like [TS]

01:36:59   that it would you wouldn't even care [TS]

01:37:01   that would be like it would be less [TS]

01:37:03   power than turning bluetooth on it might [TS]

01:37:06   be I don't know but you know that's it's [TS]

01:37:08   a week yet one more thing to consider so [TS]

01:37:09   basically you know we know Apple will [TS]

01:37:11   say no to a lot of things that they just [TS]

01:37:14   think would be clunky or would not have [TS]

01:37:16   enough sat or whatever i don't i don't [TS]

01:37:20   see them doing this I i don't i don't [TS]

01:37:22   see I i just don't see them thinking [TS]

01:37:25   that enough people want to use external [TS]

01:37:27   keyboards on their iphones that would be [TS]

01:37:30   worth making this I mean does anybody [TS]

01:37:32   know the phone the phone is just a [TS]

01:37:33   mental [TS]

01:37:34   exercise but the really the more [TS]

01:37:35   concrete one is is the 9.7 inch iPad but [TS]

01:37:38   we always gonna have a smart connector [TS]

01:37:40   and now i'm saying what if you had a 9.7 [TS]

01:37:42   inch iPad do you have to have a keyboard [TS]

01:37:44   that is the size of a 9.7 or can you [TS]

01:37:46   actually use a larger full-size keyboard [TS]

01:37:48   with that why would you not want to use [TS]

01:37:50   it like you have to do have to be a [TS]

01:37:51   keyboard / also the thing that covers up [TS]

01:37:54   my ipad why can't those p two distinct [TS]

01:37:56   things why can't you have one without [TS]

01:37:57   the other because that sighs I think it [TS]

01:37:59   starts to make more sense that the phone [TS]

01:38:01   is the more extreme example and because [TS]

01:38:03   you know i'm thinking of these phones [TS]

01:38:05   getting bigger and and more powerful and [TS]

01:38:07   you graduating up to the moving your [TS]

01:38:09   ipad so that the phone is just to sort [TS]

01:38:11   of bring out whether this is a a product [TS]

01:38:15   that might be useful but we know that we [TS]

01:38:17   know but we're pretty sure there's going [TS]

01:38:18   to be a smart connector there and i've [TS]

01:38:20   used those small keyboards I don't think [TS]

01:38:21   they're great and once you have the [TS]

01:38:22   smarts connector on that 1i I feel like [TS]

01:38:24   it you know if I was again trying to [TS]

01:38:26   assemble at WWDC bag and I wasn't [TS]

01:38:29   allowed to use an apple laptop for some [TS]

01:38:31   reason i would choose a smart connect [TS]

01:38:33   your keyboard and 9.7 inch iPad pro over [TS]

01:38:38   a bluetooth keyboard and that same play [TS]

01:38:40   oh I would too certainly but you know [TS]

01:38:43   well we'll see what options going to [TS]

01:38:44   have it but you know I suspect that it [TS]

01:38:47   that you know if they do this you know [TS]

01:38:48   if if there is new ipad and if it has a [TS]

01:38:51   small connector and if they release a an [TS]

01:38:54   appropriately sized version of the smart [TS]

01:38:56   keyboard to plug into it probably be [TS]

01:38:58   decent you know probably not going to be [TS]

01:39:00   like an amazing keyboard mean that the [TS]

01:39:01   current smart keyboard is an amazing [TS]

01:39:03   keyboard it's it's okay you know most [TS]

01:39:05   people use it say it's roughly similar [TS]

01:39:07   if not slightly better than the macbook [TS]

01:39:09   one keyboard and yet if I was like the [TS]

01:39:11   reason i have tried ipad keyboard case [TS]

01:39:13   covers before is because that combo [TS]

01:39:15   having an ipad on a keyboard cover is [TS]

01:39:18   really nice on airplane tray tables [TS]

01:39:20   it is awesome for that because it fits [TS]

01:39:23   on any of them and if you don't already [TS]

01:39:25   have a tiny laptop that can be your [TS]

01:39:28   airplane laptop you know not not for [TS]

01:39:30   doing tons of stuff if you don't usually [TS]

01:39:32   if you don't usually doesn't have had [TS]

01:39:33   workflow but it can be pretty cool [TS]

01:39:35   44 flight you know so if they do this in [TS]

01:39:39   a good way for the 10 inch iPad that's [TS]

01:39:42   great that's they're gonna sell good [TS]

01:39:43   number of them probably I hope it'll be [TS]

01:39:45   good again I probably [TS]

01:39:47   any reason ever buy one myself but uh [TS]

01:39:49   that's going to be really nice so no [TS]

01:39:52   good in them so i think if you look at [TS]

01:39:54   this at this event in 2014 watch bands [TS]

01:39:56   yet guys i watch bands [TS]

01:39:58   that's the last thing the event right [TS]

01:39:59   you're not even wearing your watch [TS]

01:40:01   anymore what do you care mr. mechanical [TS]

01:40:02   watch it's over there on top of my thing [TS]

01:40:05   on my desk my next tip is often not [TS]

01:40:07   working anymore [TS]

01:40:08   not all of us are too cool for them and [TS]

01:40:11   so I'm curious to see what the bands are [TS]

01:40:13   that they that they have in this [TS]

01:40:15   particular event but I don't feel like [TS]

01:40:18   I'm in the market for one I am fine with [TS]

01:40:22   my sport band i only have the one band [TS]

01:40:24   for the Apple watch and I don't yearn [TS]

01:40:26   for another but you know i'm curious to [TS]

01:40:28   see what they what they come up with i [TS]

01:40:30   mean the the rumors are that you know [TS]

01:40:32   their enemies is almost given their that [TS]

01:40:34   if they're going to make new bands at [TS]

01:40:36   all [TS]

01:40:37   they're almost certainly going to have [TS]

01:40:38   new colors of the support band that's [TS]

01:40:39   easy [TS]

01:40:40   maybe that's that's notthat doesn't take [TS]

01:40:42   like a major Reno rethinking of [TS]

01:40:44   everything and that's that's easy to [TS]

01:40:46   change out with seasonal and annual [TS]

01:40:47   fashion changes so they're probably [TS]

01:40:49   going to do that but also a lot of a [TS]

01:40:52   very strong rumored that from that I've [TS]

01:40:53   heard a number of times is that they [TS]

01:40:55   might do a NATO style strap which i [TS]

01:40:56   think would be a smart move because [TS]

01:40:58   there's a very much in fashion right now [TS]

01:41:00   wait what does that mean i don't know [TS]

01:41:01   what that is no no that is but your [TS]

01:41:02   cargo [TS]

01:41:03   it's at I don't personally care for them [TS]

01:41:06   so i probably explain them poorly and [TS]

01:41:07   n8000 yeah yeah like the organization [TS]

01:41:10   it's a North American Treaty [TS]

01:41:12   Organization know North Atlantic what [TS]

01:41:14   the hell is that I don't know started [TS]

01:41:17   landing I think I don't know but they're [TS]

01:41:19   like they're like a usually they're like [TS]

01:41:21   a fabric woven five a woman fabric i [TS]

01:41:25   think they often have a stripe you know [TS]

01:41:27   it's like it there [TS]

01:41:28   i'm sure i'm probably destroying this [TS]

01:41:30   rule of two things i I don't I don't I [TS]

01:41:32   don't really care for them so I don't [TS]

01:41:33   know much about them but another very [TS]

01:41:35   much in fashion see if you search for [TS]

01:41:37   nato strap you'll see what I'm talking [TS]

01:41:38   about you can see if you do is make sure [TS]

01:41:40   you see they always have this weird like [TS]

01:41:42   that kind of double loop attachment [TS]

01:41:44   mechanism there they're kind of bulky [TS]

01:41:46   but that because they're a woven nylon [TS]

01:41:49   mesh usually there they usually very [TS]

01:41:52   comfortable just a little bit large for [TS]

01:41:54   my tastes but people like them a lot [TS]

01:41:55   they're very much in fashion watch [TS]

01:41:57   ration is like I would like a miniature [TS]

01:41:59   version of them and [TS]

01:42:00   and skyline and I risks that shows that [TS]

01:42:02   i'm a city person and I love my hand [TS]

01:42:04   okay like this NATO strike and it looks [TS]

01:42:08   like you tilt it isn't meant to evoke it [TS]

01:42:10   seems like the type of straps used to [TS]

01:42:12   attach equipment for people in the [TS]

01:42:15   military and those type of sort of [TS]

01:42:16   rugged outdoor marrying the type stuff [TS]

01:42:19   but it isn't one [TS]

01:42:20   it is not attaching something that needs [TS]

01:42:22   to be like all those loops are there you [TS]

01:42:24   know it's like it's like a tiny it's [TS]

01:42:27   like an art installation that is that [TS]

01:42:29   like it on your wrist like you know it [TS]

01:42:33   is a it is an imitation of another thing [TS]

01:42:35   it you're confused by the fact well it [TS]

01:42:36   is a strap right it does actually hold [TS]

01:42:38   Taveras yeah it does hold your wrist but [TS]

01:42:40   all the crap on there is is from another [TS]

01:42:43   strap that does the job not the job this [TS]

01:42:46   thing is doing and I just I can't [TS]

01:42:48   imagine i can imagine adding like adding [TS]

01:42:51   adding additional metal things to a [TS]

01:42:53   strap that's going to be around my wrist [TS]

01:42:54   that are non-functional you know I don't [TS]

01:42:56   like that's that's why the what he [TS]

01:42:59   called the the plastic floor last summer [TS]

01:43:01   the sports traps appealed to me because [TS]

01:43:03   for the most part they say well it's [TS]

01:43:06   just a thing that goes on your wrist [TS]

01:43:08   let's make it a squishy and as [TS]

01:43:09   comfortable as possible they kind of go [TS]

01:43:10   weird with the with the classroom [TS]

01:43:12   mechanism but suffice it to say I [TS]

01:43:14   obviously not in the market for a new [TS]

01:43:15   strap although what I would completely [TS]

01:43:17   thirty dollars from what I would buy [TS]

01:43:19   four thirty dollars from apple is a [TS]

01:43:21   slightly smaller version of the little [TS]

01:43:23   for the leather band that holds the you [TS]

01:43:26   know that on the the classic buckle or [TS]

01:43:28   whatever the leather strap is that I [TS]

01:43:30   have that holds a little tongue you know [TS]

01:43:32   the excess tongue that sticks out that [TS]

01:43:34   little band that supposed to hold it [TS]

01:43:36   needs to be slightly smaller because the [TS]

01:43:38   little tongue slips out too easily that [TS]

01:43:39   happens with every leather watch band [TS]

01:43:41   I've ever used but you just kind of make [TS]

01:43:43   it a little bit smaller [TS]

01:43:44   not a lot smaller just a little bit or [TS]

01:43:46   they could just put in a dual deployment [TS]

01:43:47   or something but that's too fancy they [TS]

01:43:49   probably won't do that no one knows what [TS]

01:43:50   that is but you it's your like two [TS]

01:43:54   different days your version of Destiny [TS]

01:43:56   before it's just a bunch of weird words [TS]

01:43:58   that seem like they mean nothing but [TS]

01:44:00   they're yeah i agree i thank god that [TS]

01:44:02   John actually understands the pain we go [TS]

01:44:05   through when he gets riffing on destiny [TS]

01:44:07   starts the destiny is real watch [TS]

01:44:08   manswers made up stuff right that's what [TS]

01:44:11   did you call the deployment a deployment [TS]

01:44:14   oh that makes even more sense it's a [TS]

01:44:15   type of class so normally you have like [TS]

01:44:17   literally you put you normally you loop [TS]

01:44:19   the thing through the buckle and you [TS]

01:44:21   look it up and down you know so it kind [TS]

01:44:22   of titans that way a deployment is [TS]

01:44:24   something where like you you you can [TS]

01:44:25   attach it to one of the holes and then [TS]

01:44:28   you can open and close it with his metal [TS]

01:44:29   opening closing class mechanism so you [TS]

01:44:32   kind of fix the size to where you want [TS]

01:44:34   it and then it's always at that size I [TS]

01:44:36   mean you until you re just it and it it [TS]

01:44:38   holds it flatter and it's it's quicker [TS]

01:44:40   to put off so it's considered a slightly [TS]

01:44:42   better enclosure usually its higher-end [TS]

01:44:45   but you know I'm Apple could offer it [TS]

01:44:47   for like 30 bucks more you know Apple [TS]

01:44:50   could do a good job if they wanted to [TS]

01:44:51   the example honestly apples bands are [TS]

01:44:54   awesome like the the band the quality of [TS]

01:44:56   apples bands the construction of them [TS]

01:44:59   the the looks of them the practicality [TS]

01:45:02   and the comfort of apples bands is just [TS]

01:45:05   worlds beyond most not all but most of [TS]

01:45:09   what you can find in in the fancy watch [TS]

01:45:11   world apples bands are great and and you [TS]

01:45:15   know they they should really be [TS]

01:45:16   commended on that like they first for [TS]

01:45:19   that being like they're very first time [TS]

01:45:21   ever making the watch and they make [TS]

01:45:22   these amazing bands with this awesome [TS]

01:45:24   you know quick-detach swap mechanism [TS]

01:45:27   like the rest of the watch world has [TS]

01:45:29   nothing on that like it there so good [TS]

01:45:31   but there are things that they could [TS]

01:45:33   borrow from the watchful to make a few [TS]

01:45:34   slight nicer ones and one of those would [TS]

01:45:36   be a decent leather with a deployment [TS]

01:45:39   but you know I am I hold my breath [TS]

01:45:41   amount and you really went I know the [TS]

01:45:44   advantage on if you get the cruise I [TS]

01:45:46   brought this up is that deployments [TS]

01:45:49   usually don't have that problem with the [TS]

01:45:51   leather bands with the ends slipping out [TS]

01:45:53   because it's kind of the way it's held [TS]

01:45:54   its kind of held in a more fixed way it [TS]

01:45:56   doesn't usually happen our I don't [TS]

01:45:58   actually need these but a ride I would [TS]

01:46:00   buy one at the prices they're like I [TS]

01:46:02   haven't even been able to bring myself [TS]

01:46:03   to buy a sport one just because it feels [TS]

01:46:05   like it's not worth fifty bucks for [TS]

01:46:06   being a plastic or whatever they charge [TS]

01:46:07   and the other love the strap is fine the [TS]

01:46:09   old the one annoyances that slips out [TS]

01:46:11   I just can't believe how deep into the [TS]

01:46:14   dark side into the deep end or whatever [TS]

01:46:17   you went on this watch stuff they eat [TS]

01:46:19   you know how I do things I knew was bad [TS]

01:46:22   but wolf that's right up his alley [TS]

01:46:24   yeah but wow is this is [TS]

01:46:26   I feel like we need an intervention at [TS]

01:46:28   this point no he's fine whatever he's [TS]

01:46:31   ever needs a hobby this is a pretty [TS]

01:46:32   benign hobby as far as obviously he's [TS]

01:46:35   into jewelry essentially or jewelry as [TS]

01:46:37   people say yeah yeah it's jewelry I like [TS]

01:46:40   it [TS]

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01:46:47   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:46:52   mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

01:46:56   it was accidental Johnson research Marco [TS]

01:47:02   in kc would let you know [TS]

01:47:04   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:47:07   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:47:11   know today p dot and if your twitter [TS]

01:47:17   follow them and s/he yl ISS so that's [TS]

01:47:24   Casey list and a co-pay rm20 Marco [TS]

01:47:30   Arment and our AC syracuse it [TS]

01:47:46   John what the hell happened to your iPod [TS]

01:47:50   Touch stolen out of my car but people [TS]

01:47:53   broke have had broken into our cars [TS]

01:47:56   while they sat on our driveways many [TS]

01:47:58   times over the years that we've lived [TS]

01:47:59   here [TS]

01:48:00   apparently this is a thing that people [TS]

01:48:01   do they just wandered through the [TS]

01:48:03   neighborhood at your house yeah they [TS]

01:48:04   just wanted to the neighborhood at night [TS]

01:48:06   while everyone is asleep and check for [TS]

01:48:07   open cars and when they find one to take [TS]

01:48:09   any valuable stuff out of it [TS]

01:48:10   why would you not lock your car I always [TS]

01:48:13   lock my car I always i obsessively lock [TS]

01:48:15   my car i lock my car when I go into the [TS]

01:48:17   elementary school to pick up my daughter [TS]

01:48:19   for the three seconds it's out there [TS]

01:48:20   always [TS]

01:48:22   why was the car apparently unlocked it [TS]

01:48:26   could be the UI on the key fob or used [TS]

01:48:28   to be three separate buttons one of [TS]

01:48:30   which was locked it was a different size [TS]

01:48:31   and than the other ones and a centrally [TS]

01:48:33   located and now that we're talking about [TS]

01:48:35   this when i got my new record that is [TS]

01:48:37   just like sort of like a single [TS]

01:48:38   rectangular region divided into thirds [TS]

01:48:40   and the bottom one is lock that it's not [TS]

01:48:44   as bad as I thought it was when i first [TS]

01:48:45   talked about my card for 5 i'm pretty [TS]

01:48:47   good at finding the buttons but it's [TS]

01:48:48   conceivable that I could match the wrong [TS]

01:48:50   one absent mindedly it's also [TS]

01:48:51   conceivable that someone else in the [TS]

01:48:54   house could grab some set of keys the [TS]

01:48:56   wrong way and accidentally unlock the [TS]

01:48:57   car because the signal can reach you [TS]

01:48:59   know from inside the house that anyway I [TS]

01:49:01   probably just forgot that scary thing [TS]

01:49:03   about it is because I am so obsessive [TS]

01:49:05   about locking my car [TS]

01:49:06   it basically means that every single [TS]

01:49:09   night someone is checking all the cars [TS]

01:49:11   right because you're what are the odds [TS]

01:49:13   that the one day i forgot to lock it is [TS]

01:49:15   the one day get stolen because like a [TS]

01:49:17   little guy I'm really good about like I [TS]

01:49:18   lock the house i like the car i lock [TS]

01:49:20   everything I'm from New York it's like [TS]

01:49:22   what I did right so it has to be like [TS]

01:49:23   that the one time I slipped up and so [TS]

01:49:26   many other options they could be [TS]

01:49:27   breaking in [TS]

01:49:27   that's the past things in my life never [TS]

01:49:29   locked the car so she's at her car broke [TS]

01:49:31   into a million times I took all the [TS]

01:49:32   quarters out of the things i'd probably [TS]

01:49:34   go in there all the time and be like up [TS]

01:49:35   still nothing good in this car is used [TS]

01:49:37   to have a lot of change in their parking [TS]

01:49:38   meters not all got taken out a couple [TS]

01:49:40   years ago and then one time we came out [TS]

01:49:42   and found like in the winter the window [TS]

01:49:44   rolled down on my car are on a card that [TS]

01:49:47   i had driven last and anyone who's ever [TS]

01:49:49   removing those I do not roll down [TS]

01:49:51   windows like I don't like one of the [TS]

01:49:53   guys I would never rolled in the winter [TS]

01:49:55   and I'm always cold for get it right so [TS]

01:49:56   I didn't roll down the window on purpose [TS]

01:49:58   don't think I did it accidentally maybe [TS]

01:50:00   and in the course of trying to break [TS]

01:50:02   into the car they somehow triggered the [TS]

01:50:03   window rolling down i have no freaking [TS]

01:50:05   idea but anyway this is over the course [TS]

01:50:07   of many years and this time they went in [TS]

01:50:09   they took my it was i think it was like [TS]

01:50:11   a second generation ipod touch with some [TS]

01:50:14   really old ipods actually was useless [TS]

01:50:15   like you couldn't even give it to a kid [TS]

01:50:17   the whole point is like great that's [TS]

01:50:19   what you do with all the ipod touches [TS]

01:50:20   you fill it up with music and you stick [TS]

01:50:21   it in your car is your permanent you [TS]

01:50:23   know music collection in the car now i [TS]

01:50:25   use bluetooth on my phone for the [TS]

01:50:26   Cardinals in the podcast but everyone's [TS]

01:50:28   why switch to the ipod source you get [TS]

01:50:29   like the display of the the songs and [TS]

01:50:31   everything is just nice to have a [TS]

01:50:32   separate bucket for music and playlists [TS]

01:50:35   and stuff like that so I took that they [TS]

01:50:37   took the case that it was in which is [TS]

01:50:39   this little cute cloth case with a [TS]

01:50:40   something from etsy I think they took [TS]

01:50:43   the wire they did not take the garmin [TS]

01:50:45   gps the ancient dedicated garmin gps [TS]

01:50:48   from the pre iphone days that couldn't [TS]

01:50:51   be bothered that even they recognize [TS]

01:50:52   this is a worthless piece of technology [TS]

01:50:55   yeah so that was pretty annoying so I [TS]

01:50:59   have y'all done is pulled another yet [TS]

01:51:01   another i did go through the the [TS]

01:51:02   exercise of find my iphone and of course [TS]

01:51:06   it's not online anymore and i set the [TS]

01:51:08   thing too you know [TS]

01:51:10   autoloc if it ever connect to the [TS]

01:51:11   internet because of course didn't block [TS]

01:51:12   I don't think there's anything on it i [TS]

01:51:14   think i had erased everything off of it [TS]

01:51:15   except for just a music collection that [TS]

01:51:17   I that this ipod touch was too old even [TS]

01:51:19   use iCloud stuff so is it i like I'd [TS]

01:51:21   synced with itunes music onto it so i [TS]

01:51:24   think all they've got is my collection [TS]

01:51:26   of mostly drm-free music if they ever do [TS]

01:51:29   connect to the internet it will [TS]

01:51:30   automatically lock itself [TS]

01:51:32   yeah it's just kinda depressing kind of [TS]

01:51:35   sad and just you know i guess i guess i [TS]

01:51:38   have to i was thinking of getting a look [TS]

01:51:40   at their coming every night you get one [TS]

01:51:41   of these little cameras that your [TS]

01:51:42   advertising other podcast just pointed [TS]

01:51:44   in my car and to see them on their [TS]

01:51:46   nightly visits because really it's [TS]

01:51:48   amazing amazing to me like if I forgot [TS]

01:51:50   to my life my car one night and that's [TS]

01:51:52   not a good program to because I really [TS]

01:51:54   very very short that lock the car all [TS]

01:51:57   the time it is the thing i do [TS]

01:51:58   obsessively any forever it's worth like [TS]

01:52:01   the enemy first of all that sucks [TS]

01:52:02   second of all regarding the like [TS]

01:52:04   no having some kind of camera thing so [TS]

01:52:07   we we got a couple of like minor [TS]

01:52:09   vandalism incidents at our house over [TS]

01:52:11   the last couple years and unfortunately [TS]

01:52:12   they weren't they weren't make sure but [TS]

01:52:14   they were vandalism and it really [TS]

01:52:16   angered me and and you know the second [TS]

01:52:19   time it happened [TS]

01:52:20   the more the most recent happened i [TS]

01:52:22   actually reported it to the local police [TS]

01:52:23   like this is stupid that they should at [TS]

01:52:25   least know about this and I didn't [TS]

01:52:27   actually do anything and they they [TS]

01:52:29   couldn't but I asked the officer came by [TS]

01:52:31   casino is the middle day is nothing to [TS]

01:52:32   do with suburbs and I'm like you know i [TS]

01:52:34   do you think that is there any value and [TS]

01:52:36   me like putting up cameras like if I if [TS]

01:52:38   I had the cameras and I had video of [TS]

01:52:41   whatever like teenager was doing this [TS]

01:52:43   you actually do anything with that or [TS]

01:52:45   what is it just wastes time and he [TS]

01:52:47   talked to me for you no good ten minutes [TS]

01:52:48   hibino basically said like yeah there's [TS]

01:52:50   not much they can do [TS]

01:52:51   it's like even if you get even if you [TS]

01:52:55   know exactly which kid in town did it [TS]

01:52:57   which is you know not a given but even [TS]

01:53:00   if he knew exactly who did it like you [TS]

01:53:03   know that most of the kids to do this [TS]

01:53:04   kind of stuff for minors and you know [TS]

01:53:06   it's like this one there's not that much [TS]

01:53:08   they can do in that case you might get [TS]

01:53:11   your stuff back or if the kid you know [TS]

01:53:13   analyze your house like you might be [TS]

01:53:15   able to try to get them to pay for it to [TS]

01:53:18   be removed and cleaned up or whatever [TS]

01:53:19   but it's not like there's not much you [TS]

01:53:22   can do and and alex i was thinking like [TS]

01:53:24   once you go down with the security [TS]

01:53:26   camera route you kind of have to become [TS]

01:53:28   like it one of those like paranoid [TS]

01:53:30   security people ugh you don't have to [TS]

01:53:33   you don't have to go home when you get [TS]

01:53:34   into anything I wouldn't have to like I [TS]

01:53:36   was the only reason i would do it is all [TS]

01:53:38   first of all as for reporting and I i [TS]

01:53:39   I'm considering that to not because I [TS]

01:53:41   expect anything happen just because I [TS]

01:53:42   want to like affect the crime statistics [TS]

01:53:44   of my neighborhood to let people know [TS]

01:53:45   that hey this is the thing that I want [TS]

01:53:47   to be a number on a spreadsheet [TS]

01:53:49   somewhere at the end of the year when I [TS]

01:53:50   tell ya you know silly petty theft and [TS]

01:53:53   in my town right and the camera would [TS]

01:53:55   just be just because I'm curious like [TS]

01:53:57   basically it's the delight is a kids or [TS]

01:53:59   is it adults right cause if it's kids [TS]

01:54:01   these kids it is the same group of kids [TS]

01:54:04   has been doing over the course of like [TS]

01:54:05   five years that spans of time there may [TS]

01:54:07   be more than that like can't be the same [TS]

01:54:09   kids because they would have aged out of [TS]

01:54:10   it or is it thing passed on from kid to [TS]

01:54:12   kid like it's just know when you reach a [TS]

01:54:14   certain age they learned from their [TS]

01:54:15   older siblings that you go down there [TS]

01:54:16   everyone at 3am and check every single [TS]

01:54:18   car to see if it's open because there [TS]

01:54:19   might be valuable stuff in there [TS]

01:54:21   Aurora's adults I don't know anyone that [TS]

01:54:24   I would just be doing satisfy my [TS]

01:54:25   curiosity and it was kid what I would do [TS]

01:54:27   with that information is tell her [TS]

01:54:28   parents and find them bring this if I [TS]

01:54:31   knew like oh I know I kid he's down the [TS]

01:54:33   block i would bring the video to the [TS]

01:54:34   parents that your son is stealing crap [TS]

01:54:36   out of my car by the way giving my ipad [TS]

01:54:37   bag for my ipod back that's worth fifty [TS]

01:54:40   bucks yeah it's worth less nervous it's [TS]

01:54:42   the principle you know kids kids you can [TS]

01:54:44   get in trouble with their parents and [TS]

01:54:45   you know hoping that they have parents [TS]

01:54:47   who would care about this or whatever [TS]

01:54:49   gonna be ever vigilant and honestly like [TS]

01:54:51   seriously I'm fascinated by the idea [TS]

01:54:53   that the air [TS]

01:54:56   I'd such an incredibly frequent interval [TS]

01:54:59   people are just trying every single car [TS]

01:55:01   like in the whole neighborhoods are not [TS]

01:55:02   just trying my one house right like [TS]

01:55:04   they're going to be girl I mean chances [TS]

01:55:06   are i think you probably got lucky that [TS]

01:55:09   they probably aren't going through that [TS]

01:55:10   frequently i'm guessing this just [TS]

01:55:12   happened to be the test the data you [TS]

01:55:14   unlock the car it I it's possible this [TS]

01:55:17   could be going on every night but i [TS]

01:55:18   think it's unlikely [TS]

01:55:20   well I talked about it on slack other [TS]

01:55:21   people from you know who said i think [TS]

01:55:23   people with someone from Seattle and [TS]

01:55:25   then some people from the west coast [TS]

01:55:27   were saying this is a thing that like [TS]

01:55:28   people go through neighborhoods and [TS]

01:55:30   check for open car doors like it is a [TS]

01:55:31   common low-level easy way to get free [TS]

01:55:35   stuff without actually committing a real [TS]

01:55:37   crime you know actually breaking [TS]

01:55:38   anything you're not actually you know so [TS]

01:55:41   it seems like I think that is still left [TS]

01:55:44   I'm you know me but like it or not [TS]

01:55:45   you're breaking the window it with a [TS]

01:55:47   rock and then stealing the radios out of [TS]

01:55:49   the car or you know like a some people [TS]

01:55:52   have their their transmission gouged out [TS]

01:55:54   of their car and attempt to like hot [TS]

01:55:55   wire or whatever like any my brother [TS]

01:55:58   when he lived in the indeed more [TS]

01:56:01   downtown areas had his car broken into a [TS]

01:56:03   few times where they were actually break [TS]

01:56:04   things on the car from you know [TS]

01:56:05   thankfully like this is like the most [TS]

01:56:08   polite to each other all the cars locked [TS]

01:56:10   like stormtroopers and I hope doors [TS]

01:56:12   locked move on to the next one not [TS]

01:56:13   really good trying to find things [TS]

01:56:15   because obviously you're just like the [TS]

01:56:16   door if you're hiding there anyway much [TS]

01:56:20   as I don't want them if they broke my [TS]

01:56:22   window I would be super pissed right if [TS]

01:56:23   they just gently opened the the door [TS]

01:56:26   they didn't close they left although the [TS]

01:56:28   bins open so I could tell what they had [TS]