The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► you said it all about the m5 leaving you [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► should pull the engine noise mp3's off [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► the computer you can play them anytime [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► you want when you're missing so let's [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► move on to something super exciting [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► let's talk about sequel server on [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► because i couldn't even get out of the [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► street [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I tried so hard I could even do it well [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► this is kind of interesting right [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► because like you know Microsoft had [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► their database sequel server which for [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► forever has required windows server and [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► i would imagine a a lot of Windows [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► Server licenses were exclusively to run [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► Microsoft sequel server so them making [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► this are announcing that it will be [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► available for Linux is interesting you [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► know because that's because that means [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► again like we we brought up last week [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► how then bringing dotnet to linux [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► officially would be you know interesting [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► and have might have a negative effect on [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► their windows server licenses [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► this will probably have an even bigger [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► negative effect on Windows Server [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► licenses so I think what this is showing [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► is that Microsoft would rather that you [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► use dotnet and instead and use windows [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► and a new sequel server rather than [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► necessarily be stuck to windows server [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► and so all the reasons that people have [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► for for not using Microsoft server [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► products now they have 11 big one less [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► fewer then bring this up last week I [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► don't know maybe I'm misremembering i [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► remember talking about the similar [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► similar issues of like that Microsoft is [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► becoming more friendly to linux and how [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► people don't like to run linux servers [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► and windows server is the to kind of [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► separate domains of knowledge and really [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► just run all linux servers linux is [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► everywhere in the enterprise and so that [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► the Microsoft could tell you i think i [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► might have said exchange server for [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► linux or something like that but anyway [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► and also like the Microsoft could have [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► it on linux distro eventually and it [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► wasn't you know that was like last week [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► and then this announcement came i'm sure [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► this announcement Telegraph for people [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► who pay more attention to Microsoft than [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► i do but i had no awareness they were [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► even close to this but then you know [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► they're went right after last week's [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► show so it and I think christina warren [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► was also talking about a microscope [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► linux distro around the same time [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► I don't see that is implausible although [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► a couple people from Microsoft tweeted [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► oh you know we partner with redhead and [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► so on and so forth and we let them do [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► what they do best which is to a linux [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► distro we don't have one or whatever but [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► if Microsoft pursue this strategy to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► basically we will sell you [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► enterprise software and we're not going [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► to be super picky about where you run it [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► like if I have a lot of customers want [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► to run our software on linux fine we'll [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► we'll sell them a version to run on [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► linux because they're not not though the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► everything windows company anymore i [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► mean they haven't been for a while now [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► since Ballmer left basically maybe even [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► before the fair enough it's so [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► interesting push for sure and i'm [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► curious to see where this all ends up [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► but i like it i think this is Microsoft [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► playing to their strengths which we've [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► talked about you know several times on [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► and off in the past so good on Microsoft [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► moving on we got a lot of people that [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► wrote in to talk about TV mounting over [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► fireplace because unsurprisingly a lot [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► of people were perturbed at where I [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► mount my TV and we got to recurring [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► links which will put in the show notes [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► and it was a new Weinstock that I guess [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► was the first one in with these links [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► one of them is dynamic mounting which is [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► very similar to the other which we [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► receive far more often which is mantle [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► mount and the two of these things [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► basically allow you to stuff the TV over [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the fireplace when it's not in use but [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► then drop it down kind of in front of [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► the fireplace when you are using it and [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► these are very clever and things that I [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► would never ever bother with because I [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► just don't care that much [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► I would be so nervous about this like I [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► mean again I i know that you can make [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► amount that's super strong and [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► everything but man having it having the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► TV on the walls bad enough having it [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► like suspended on this arm that reaches [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► like a couple of feet away from the wall [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► it's like thinking like the stresses on [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► that mountain oh my god i do I could not [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► sleep a night with that above my TV or [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► movies are like it would be fine but it [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► is kind of weird though because your [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► room looks weird with your TV kind of [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► hang [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► in front of the fireplace like I guess [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► it's kind of a solution and the ideas [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► you can push it back up when you want [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the room to look nicer or whatever but [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► it still seems weird to me and then [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► final piece of follow-up I had tweeted a [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► challenge to you / our meeting follows [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that here's the PDF of my owners manual [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► for my TV make it work [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► I got a plethora of suggestions most of [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► which are actually very helpful which I [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► do appreciate because oftentimes with [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► twitter that's not the case [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► tentatively i think it may be fixed it's [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► been very not reliable and sometimes it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► seems to be working right sometimes not [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► when I say working right what I mean is [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► that it doesn't overscan or anything [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► like that it appears to be I I changed a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► million things at once because my [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► terrible debugger apparently when it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► comes to these sorts of things anyway I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► think it is basically the showroom mode [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► or something like it or they some sort [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► of like let me do everything [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► automatically mode when I first change [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► that it didn't seem to make a difference [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► then all of a sudden it seemed to be [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► working so gosh only knows but the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► positive sign so far so thank you to the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► people on Twitter that it sent in some [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► tips and in theory i think it might be [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► better now so i think both you and Marco [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► have had people download PDFs of things [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► the own and read them for you and tell [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► you how to work [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► yeah and i think the comment i think the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► common thread between us here is that we [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► just don't care enough about this [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► particular thing like Marco does not see [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► about about well be sure about finding [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► the battery in his car he can write as [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► ish and about knowing how to do [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► shortcuts on the eye dr for example [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► personally I think that's a little weird [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that he didn't care that much but you [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► know teach their own and for me I could [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► not have possibly cared less about [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► reading the manual to fix this problem i [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► had lived with it for like six years at [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► this point I can live with it some more [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► however now that it is fixed i am quite [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► well tentatively i am quite pleased that [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► a that you was gonna say i spent the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► time but really that the internet spent [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► the time to read the PDF for me so [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► thanks internet our first sponsor [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► tonight is fracture go to fracture [TS]

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00:06:25 ◼   ► percent off your first purchase fracture [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► prints photos directly onto glass colors [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► pop like you won't believe it even comes [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► in a solid back [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that's right amount right out of the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► package all you have to do is stick it [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► on the included screw and hang it up on [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► the wall done it's all really affordable [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► to press charges 15 bucks for the small [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► square size and are very reasonable [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► after that fracture prints look great [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► they're all over my hair all over our [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► house now there they just keep [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► multiplying and they're everywhere we've [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► given them as gifts people love these [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► things that they complement them they [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► look great [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► it is literally a photo printed on a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► piece of glass and you stick it on the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► wall and that's it you don't have to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► frame it you don't worry about it like [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► you know falling off of some little [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► weird hanger thing it just works and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► they're great they're big they're [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► beautiful they're lightweight you know [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it again no stress involved in hanging [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► on the wall [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the package has been wonderful we've [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► never received one that was cracked or [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► broken or anything i can do you think [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► sending a big piece of glass the mail it [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► be risky but now they have to have that [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► covered too [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► it is great they make great gifts [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► they're great for yourself get your [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► photos / to get them out of your like [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► weird Facebook and Instagram feeds where [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► you see them for like a day then they're [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► gone forever you know bring them out put [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► them on your wall it really makes a [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► difference they make fantastic gifts for [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► family friends and loved ones as well [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you can celebrate a shared memory with [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► somebody if you like you don't go on a [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► trip with somebody or you like your kids [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► a birthday or whatever takes pictures to [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► them to your relatives sounds the people [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► who were on the trip with you each [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► fracture his hand assembled and checked [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► for quality by their small team in [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► gainesville florida and if you need any [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► more reasons to buy one besides them [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► being our sponsors get ten percent off [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► right now with the code ATP 10 go to [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► fracture me.com to see for yourself [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► thanks a lot of fracture so this past [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► weekend we celebrated my mother-in-law's [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► birthday and we have gotten her a [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► fracture print of a photo that I taken [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► of Declan at a park nearby that that we [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► really liked that she had commented to [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► oh man that's a really great picture i [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► really like it and yada yada and that [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► was like a month ago and so we had [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► pretty much instantly turned around went [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► to fracture know when your birthday was [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► coming and had that printed made pressed [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► / you want to phrase it and she opened [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it up in instantly burst into tears [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► because she was so overjoyed about how [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► good it looked and how awesome it was [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► and so seriously kids give it a shot [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► it's really good stuff so i actually [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► have some surprise follow-up I thought [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► we were done [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► no this is a surprise follow-up because [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► on my desk right now i have two of the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► Apple smart battery cases [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► oh god seriously seriously back to this [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► respect [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► we're going to spend even more time on [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► the Apple our veterans just quick quick [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► to get one for the the plus + 14 regular [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► don't make the plus no one for me one [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► for tiff they only making one size just [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► for the success that's it yeah because [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► you're plus already has enough battery [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► life anyway I i have my you know my [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► sheep amazon one that I got and I i [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► expressed some concern about you know [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► being not fi certified I'm a little [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► worried about what am i doing my phone [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► but otherwise it seems alright but [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► excited for this trip to 12 and decided [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► let's try these i'll give it a real shot [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► a real honest shot and honestly it's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► pretty good i feel like this is a common [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► theme with you all this is crap [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► fast-forward you know that's not so bad [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► yeah you're right you nobody else would [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► ever do that Casey like Apple and BMWs [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and I've oh no I'm not innocent on this [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► one I'm not interested I'm just bringing [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► you down to my level [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I understand the appeal of this case now [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► you know so first of all it is really [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► easy to take on and off because of the [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► weird bendy top it does indeed look [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► really stupid holding it is actually not [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► bad because the little ledge from the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► from the from the bottom edge of the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► bump you actually can rest on your pinky [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► and have kind of a nice hand hold their [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► almost your job unless you're John but [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► if you hold your phone normally you can [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you can do that and the smartness aspect [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► of it is really nice where you never [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► have to turn it on or off like that to [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► me that is what really sets it apart [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► above all that all the other ones is [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that is always just automatic and and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► you can see its status in here today [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► view and then in the batteries which it [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► so and when you first plug it in it [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► shows both side by side shows the case [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► and your battery so overall it's [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► actually pretty nice [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► it still looks stupid it's still big and [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► clunky not as big and clunky and some [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► better cases I've seen and used but but [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► it's still big and clunky the only major [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► downside to it besides it's stupid looks [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► I think now having used it really the [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► only major downside is that the amount [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► of extra capacity that you get really [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► isn't [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► that great it's something I mean I don't [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► know something like two-thirds of the [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► charger half of charge so it is enough [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► if you need just a little boost but I [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► feel like I'm on the flight on the way [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► out there we both drained our cases down [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► to nothing and drained our phones down [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► partially just like in in the airport [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► here and there you know it going in and [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► out of planes and everything and yes you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► can plug in the plane but then you have [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► this cable running across your lap and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► kind of inconvenient and you got a [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► reason the bag and I was like ideally [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► you don't have to so you know ultimately [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► it was they did provide enough power but [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► it would be nice if they provided more [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► like if you're gonna have this big [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► battery back on your phone at all i [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► would like a little more power than what [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► this offers other than that pretty good [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► i wouldn't say it's a great value for [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► the money but is there a hundred bucks [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► and you can get other battery cases for [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► like 50 so you know not a great value [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► but the fact that you never have to turn [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► on or off it just automatically charges [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► your phone as necessary and to please [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► yourself first and charges you first [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► all those things actually pretty nice so [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that's that's my my abbreviated review [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► of the Apple smart better case after [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► having mercilessly made fun of it for [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► like three episodes did you get a white [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► 1i got we have one of each color tiff [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► insisted on the white I insisted on on [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► the gray both colors are crappy colors [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► of the white hasn't this color itself [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► yet but I'm sure it will soon they both [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► pick up tons of pocket-lint because they [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► are the the rubbery silicon material [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► physical form why's there exactly is [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► mediocre to expect but they do work [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► pretty well i would i would only wish [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► for a little more power over although [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► you know it is not terrible [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► I expected to be terrible it's not [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► terrible cool well that's surprising but [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► I guess exciting [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► yeah I mean no one i have i have this [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► battery casings by lenmar and yeah I [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► mean it's okay it's a little bit clunky [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► but i think they have a newer one [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► actually now that's thinner this 1i got [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► with my six [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► I like it works fine but it's definitely [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► big and large and I'm I don't know if [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► I'd say heavy but certainly not light [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► so it's it's alright and i don't know [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► maybe if I were to do it again maybe I'd [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► get one of these like you have to be [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► honest I did get one of those battery [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► packs that you would recommended what [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► who makes it again already volt ready [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that's right it's got to be reliable [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► how could it not be yeah $25 my company [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► you've never heard of that has all these [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► little flimsy cables on it it's it works [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► most of the time why not it works [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► exactly what you'd expect for a $25 [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► battery that's fair and i got one of [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► those that on your recommendation which [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► I guess was on someone else's [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► recommendation first it the one I got is [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► a truly hideous gold color because that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► was the only one that was available at [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► the time I don't even see it on amazon [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► anymore so maybe that's been updated [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► since then but I'm it's too it's too [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► tacky even for amazon seriously so yeah [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► so it i haven't traveled with it yet but [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► I i am going on a trip soon with a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► plethora of other people and I presume [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► it will be a mixed crowd of iphones and [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► android phones and it was appealing to [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► me that this would have a connection for [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► each because I'm a nice guy like that so [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► we'll see how it goes if my phone melts [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► then you can laugh at me and said I [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► shouldn't say I should have gotten the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► smart battery case i'm not sure i would [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► ever tell somebody they should have [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► gotten the smart battery case like it's [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► not that good and it is fairly expensive [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► again you know again it's expensive for [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the capacity you get but again it is [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► really nice not to have to manage it [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► likes like flip it on and flip it off [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► like that part is really nice [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► yeah that makes sense yeah I mean [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► ultimately I this this might be just [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► convincing me that I should probably go [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► with go 27 plus when the seven comes out [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► but we'll see what happens [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► don't do it man Mike might have been [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► right duh don't do it man [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► now you know what what's what's pushing [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► more and more towards that as time goes [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► on not only my battery preferences but [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► also i I really don't use iPads and when [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► I i have I I at least didn't get myself [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► a pro and I'm probably not going to get [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► myself the new you know pro mini [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► whatever whatever the heck they're going [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► to call the the new ipad air with pencil [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► support and pro speakers and pro like [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► styling you know whatever the the rumors [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► from government they're going to call it [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► ipad pro also [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► which my theory on that actually it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► matter we're talking about it affect my [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► theory on that is I think it makes sense [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► for apples current marketing goals to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► name all the big iPads pro because they [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► want people to be thinking of the ipad [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► as a machine that you can do [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► professional work on to help [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► differentiate not only from you know big [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► phones and everything but also help [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► differentiate it from amazon's like six [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► pack of cheap tablets you know that they [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► want the ipad to be a premium product [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that you can do pro work on if you need [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► or want to so I think that's I think [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► that their goal here if the if they do [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► indeed call it a pro of some form i [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► think their goal here is for you just [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► for you just think of the iPads as the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► pro tablets and you'll still have the [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► mini that probably won't be called pro [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► but you know so the little the only non [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► pro ipad left will be the mini they [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► still call that were many there's no [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► more just plain old ipad maybe I mean [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► there for much of the not much for some [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► of the years that macbook has existed [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► there was no just plain old macbook and [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► and if you look at you know if you look [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► at the laptop which i think is a fair [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► comparison here like this is covered [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► pretty well on an upgrade connected the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► last couple weeks but if you if you look [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► at the mac lineup you have some of the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► low end and then you have like the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► entire middle and high end is all called [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► Pro right and that's partially because [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you know these are higher and things [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► possibly i think apple realizes like [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► these are that gives the whole line like [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► an air of professionalism of a premium [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► miss you know superiority and and it [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► kind of makes macbook you know you just [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► follow the throw that kind of makes the [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► whole air the whole line seen [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► prestigious to have so many of them [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► called Pro especially some of them [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► people actually buy so you know to have [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► to have most of the ipads that end up [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► being sold have pro in their name [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► I think helps contribute to the [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► perception Apple wants to create that [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► the ipad can be used for pro use whether [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► or not it can is a different story [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that's you know many people can enable [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► can't knock me that [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► on this episode but I feel like that [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► that is a plausible reason why they [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► would want to do this i was on one of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► those upper episodes of upgrade and what [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► I said on that episode was [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► I think that the middle the middle sized [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► like the plane i pad sighs the original [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► iPad sighs I guess you would call it i [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► think there's room to have a model that [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that big with pro in the name and a [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► model it's also that big without pro in [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the name because at this point there are [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► enough Pro features the smart connector [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the pen the high refresh rate screen the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► speakers that it's enough to [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► differentiate to say the program has all [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► that stuff and is more expensive and the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► non-pro one that is the same size is [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► thinner lighter smaller cheaper and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► worse than all those other ways doesn't [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► have a smart connector doesn't support [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► the pen at all maybe the cameras [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► crappier maybe has even the last year's [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► cpu or whatever but it just seems silly [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► to me to require what I consider the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► regular ipad size to be encumbered by [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► all the pro features become I mean if I [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► just think about what kind of iPads to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► reach people want to buy for the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► toddler's then why bother but many is [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► not you know it's more fun for toddler [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► to have the big-screen to like finger [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► paint on and and and play little games [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► just do stuff like that so I really help [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► eventually maybe maybe for this first [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► one they want to but i really hope [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► eventually there is a pro 9.7 inch one [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► that's the regular size right [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► yes 9.7 inch and there's a there's a pro [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► 9.7 a non-pro nine but seven because [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► already and they don't even that many [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► preachers that I think they're already [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► enough features to clearly differentiate [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the two lines there wouldn't be any [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► confusion about it and they can hit more [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► price points they could push the pro [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► went up in price and they could push the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► non-pro and down by using cheaper stuff [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► yeah maybe i don't know we'll see you [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► know knowing Tim Cook's apples probably [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► like 17 different iPads goodness [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► alright so do you want to actually get [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► to what we were planning on talking [TS]

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00:19:32 ◼   ► don't like the websites i really don't I [TS]

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00:19:36 ◼   ► whatever else i'm doing is like the last [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► thing that's on my priority list [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► the last thing I want to work on and I [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► just don't enjoy any part of making a [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► website anymore if I ever did but i sure [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► don't now and I'm a web developer if I [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► said I hate making websites with [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► squarespace the great thing about [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► is that you for most of the things that [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you need a website for you can just make [TS]

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00:20:12 ◼   ► Squarespace with all their built-in [TS]

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00:20:30 ◼   ► great designs stock you don't do [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► anything to them or you can come if you [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► want you can do all this with [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► squarespace and then you can just be [TS]

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00:20:39 ◼   ► to me anything that prevents me from [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► having to make or maintain a website i [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► consider that very valuable because the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► reality is if you love writing your own [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► CMS find this it probably isn't the best [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► use of your time for all your projects [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► but you know you can probably find a [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► reason to squarespace for everybody else [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► you can definitely find a reason to [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► squarespace because any website you ever [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► need to make for anything whether it's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► for yourself or if you're if you're [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► making aside for somebody else and you [TS]

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00:21:23 ◼   ► thank you very much to squarespace [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► watching our show alright so there was a [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► bit of a brouhaha over the last week or [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► two about endorse ten ransomware attack [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► this is the one that was in the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► transmitted by transmission which was a [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► is a bittorrent client and no it'sit's a [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► client for acquiring new home home [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► videos at home movies but it was the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► opportunity call them home videos are [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► home with the Home Videos indigo CS the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► transmission is a Bighorn bittorrent [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► client / home movie acquire and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► apparently if i understood what happened [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► correctly the website had been screwed [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► with hijacked etc and somebody Reese I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► new transmission with a [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► valid Apple service although not the [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► original transmission circuit i believe [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► that also had ransomware stuffed with in [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► it and so a bunch of people downloaded [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► from website and got infected version of [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► transmission now sparkle which is the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► auto updater that many many many apps [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► outside of the appstore use that i [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► believe was written by you and Eva to [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► Shaq originally anyway that up i guess [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► was not affected but download from the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► website were and there was a ransomware [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► virus thing in there that basically said [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► hey we have just read we have encrypted [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► your entire hard drive past money or you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► can never get a new files back I thought [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► encrypted like individual files not the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► whole drive i didn't it's not hard disk [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► encryption it was just like find your [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► files and encrypt them yet you're [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► correct so this was a bit of an issue [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► and the biggest issue is it was signed I [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► mean it was a valid mac app not for the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► app store of course but it was a valid [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► mac app as far as your your installation [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► palestine was concerned because was [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► signed with a valid development [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► certificate shady perhaps because was [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► coming from a very different place than [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the normal transmission sir [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► geographically speaking but it was still [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► a valid cert so it was a bit of a [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► cluster to say the least [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► what do you think about this well the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► big angle that a lot of people started [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► going for was hey if this was on the mac [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► app store this would never have happened [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► and that baby is true because what [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► you're relying on the App Store as I [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► guess a preview to realize that this [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► supposed bittorrent client if you wait a [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► couple days and it starts encrypting [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► your files maybe they wouldn't have [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► noticed that because again it does wait [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► a couple days maybe they're trying to [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► wait out a preview like the FB app [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► reviewer launch this app and tried using [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► it it would work as expected does app [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► review like leave it on the system [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► running for a couple days or leave it [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► around like that maybe it would have got [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► past app review as well but that's [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► that's one angle on the other one is [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that the developer ID signing thing that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that Apple has a have created with [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► gatekeeper means that you download [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► applications and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► they come in three forms totally [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► unsigned you know pre gatekeeper [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► applications which is how every single [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► madcap was and all the years before [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► gatekeepers who created the applications [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► that are signed with a developer ID but [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► don't come to the mac app store and then [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► Mac App Store applications that sort of [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► like three levels of I guess trust the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► totally untrusted one doesn't require [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► anything for you download a binary you [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► run into runs and that's you know that's [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► the way Mac apps were for most of the [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► life of the mac the developer ID ones [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► all that does is tie it back to an apple [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► developer account which presumably ties [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► back to a person or institution or [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► somebody you can hold responsible or [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► whatever that's kind of relying on [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► Apple's signup process to correctly [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► identify somebody so like can you go [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► through can you get apple developer [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► certificate putting in totally fake [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► information [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► probably but that's that's the only [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► thing that developer ID is giving you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► that well two things one that your [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► application hasn't been modified in [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► anyway which is kind of weird like what [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► was wasn't transmission modify well they [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► didn't just modify it [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► they reassigned it so after they [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► modified they signed it with their [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► developer certificate and that's extra [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► difficult authenticated the fact that [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► yes this thing if someone modify this [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► thing after you downloaded you'll know [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► about it because the signature won't [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► match but what you're worried about is [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► somewhat modified it and then signed it [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► and it is it is it you know I valid [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► container for their malware somebody [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► would try to mess with their malware [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► signing would have caught it and then [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► the mac app store like it's the next leg [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► up where there's actual human beings [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► looking at your application and making [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► sure it's okay so why wasn't this [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► application on the mac app store my [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► understanding is the mac app store is [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► not allowed back to our clients at all [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► you guys know if that's the case that's [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► right i believe that to be true and [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► quick real-time follow up this [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► encryption would never have worked in [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► sandboxing so even if it made it through [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► app review it we wouldn't have been able [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► to touch the rest of the hours they [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► can't get through to the finals I mean [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► in reality like this is a bittorrent [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► client so it needs to be able to write [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► torrent downloads to a directory and so [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► what would probably happen is yes you [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► could use sandboxing to you know have it [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► public dialogue and have you choose the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► directory where it can write much more [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► likely would be that [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► even if it was sandbox outside of my [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► guests or even a sandboxed they're [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► probably be some option where the guy [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► we'll just you know we need to write [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► your whole drive to make some features [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► easier to make this flow better and most [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► people would say okay you can't even get [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► that you can't even get that what he [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► calls an entitlement anymore i think i [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► think you're right well so they just [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► wouldn't be sandbox and nobody would [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► care [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► you know like it so yeah you know what [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► would make it useful in the app store is [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the sandboxing requirement of the app [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► store which is problematic in so many [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► other ways but in this particular case [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that would have helped [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► however the reality is as long as there [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► is a way to download apps that aren't in [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► the app store on the mac something like [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► a bittorrent client is almost certainly [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► going to be a little outside of the app [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► store by almost all the tutors just [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► because dealing with the appstore kind [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► of sucks even as user these days and you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► can make a better bit torrent app [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► without sandboxing so where the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► developer ID thing really came in here [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► is like this transmission could have [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► been the third kind of application that [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► i said not not signed with any stuff is [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► just a binary that you downloaded sort [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► of an old-style mac app and if that had [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► been the case and tons of people have [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► downloaded and start encrypting their [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► drives there there would be no real way [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► to help them other than education saying [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► hey if you accidentally downloaded this [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► from this website during this time you [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► probably got infected version you should [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► delete it and do this and do that and [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► here's how to disinfect your system and [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► so on and so forth but because it was [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► signed with the developer ID Apple could [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► revoke the certificate of that developer [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► ID through the little sneaky update [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► thing that we just described the [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► checkbox if we didn't think was there [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the reason regular users should keep [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► that checkbox checked is that the Apple [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► canada has central control to make sure [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► that this thing doesn't launch anymore [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► we actually are getting real-time [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► follow-up from mr. the chat saying that [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► applicant blacklist any binary through [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that system including unsigned one [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► well in developer ideas and wasn't [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► helping at all that's a shame [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► yeah that's alright so what was a what [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► were the makers of transmission getting [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► out of using developer ID I suppose they [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► make people might have to go to the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► gatekeeper settings and put it in the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► most insecure mode [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► well no you can also what is it right [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► click and go in and select open and then [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► it will say oh my god are you really [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► sure [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► and then you can say yes yes I'm really [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► sure yeah i was saying what do you what [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► do you get out of the developer ID thing [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► as a developer i guess you get less [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► scary experience for users because you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► don't require them to go to settings [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► they don't understand change it in a way [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that pops up warning dialog boxes or [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► yeah you you don't require them to like [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► right-click and select open the first [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► time they run the app and I got that go [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► to the extra scared like they still have [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the scary this application download from [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the internet dialogue but if they just [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► double-click on a nap under default [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► settings that is unsigned it doesn't [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► then run it it says I'm sorry is one [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► side and then you have like right click [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and say open then then so it lets them [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► bypass all of that which you know if you [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► do if you're distributing mac apps in [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► this day and age that you should almost [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► always have at least developer idea if [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► not the app store and of course in [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► theory you can track it back to whoever [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► whatever Apple Developer account signed [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► the bad piece of and again that's the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► disconnect detective work can you find [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► someone who you want to hold responsible [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► they put valid information are they in a [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► country hit that has a legal system that [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► lets you find them or help them [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► accountable in some way i'm assuming not [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► i mean the other alternative suggestions [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► that room is that maybe it was just a [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► legitimate developer they got a [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► developer account hacked someone got [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► into the developer county they were [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► getting their password doing something [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► some other way to get into the developer [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► account [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► there's also been a couple of bugs [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► around that make it seem like you could [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► exploit gatekeeper to execute arbitrary [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► software as if it's trusted those have [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► been surmised than in years past but [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► there's so many ways you can hide from [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► the consequences of doing this bad thing [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► that that's like the maker of this [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► ransomware like they're there they're [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► bad actor here are they going to be [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► caught and punished we have the tools to [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► do that maybe maybe not [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► probably not i mean the and not everyone [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► is somewhere where you can get at them [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► so anyway x protect the thing that [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► downloads the law updates in the [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► background and disables things a likely [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► that driver [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► it may have it may have disabled your [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► ethernet driver one week but the next [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► week it may have saved you from getting [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► your files encrypted by ransom or yeah i [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► mean that this is one of those cases [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► where most of the time the one of the [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► angles that like big business tries to [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► try to scare people with to scare them [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► away from piracy is well you know if you [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► pirate stuff you never know what you're [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► getting it could be dangerous you could [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► get hack you could get malware you know [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► and most of the time that doesn't happen [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► with piracy like most of the time it's [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► fine and that's one of the reasons so [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► many people do it but this is like the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► one time where they were actually right [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► let's work you know that we really need [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► protection from gatekeeper and from [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► sandboxing and you shouldn't pyar things [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► because you're putting yourself at risk [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► than living random software for many [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► places like this is the one time where [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► that was actually true but that being [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► said I think this made for interesting [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► news and it could prompt some [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► interesting discussions for these few [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► days but i don't think this is going to [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► meaningfully change anything for anybody [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► it's estimated that I think somebody [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► said that the total number of downloads [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► with the malware included was only [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► something like 6,000 which for something [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► like this that's not that giant of a [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► number and then you know Apple fairly [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► quickly blacklisted the binary so it it [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► probably didn't even trigger the malware [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► like the encryption step of the malware [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► for most of those people so I I don't [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► know this doesn't seem like it's that [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► big of an event it's it's more about you [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► know what it what how we're all talking [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► about like you know does this change our [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► our opinions of what the max should be [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► where it should go security on the mac [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► and that I think is a conversation worth [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► having [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► but this particular matter i think it is [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► mostly a non-event and interestingly it [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► wasn't like pirated software that was [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► infected it was the software used to get [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the packets of expenditures slightly [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► different but and movies and don't [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► forget [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► yeah and this is kind of a shame as big [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► as developers like this whose [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► applications basically can't be on the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► mac app store for a policy reason [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► setting aside all the things that [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► you're talking about Marco about like [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► well the good ones would want full [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► access to your drive and it's less than [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► going to use but even just like if [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► they're categorically denied because we [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► think BitTorrent clients are are just as [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► a category a thing that we don't want to [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the max are for App Store for whatever [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► reason if you're a developer who makes a [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► bittorrent client and you're trying to [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► like do as good a job as you can do not [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► being in the mac app store you would get [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► a developer ID and you would sign your [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► application and you would do all these [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► things but you know everybody you know [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► everyone gets bored sometimes I they [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► could you could end up getting act so [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► they could hack your website they could [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► shove a little thing inside your [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► downloadable application bundle and your [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► reputation is smeared because everyone [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► you know thanks that was whether you [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► knew about it or not it's like a [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► transmission isn't that thing that [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► encrypts your drive and and you know [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► like I feel like they're doing [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► everything they could within the bounds [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► of the technology and the you know the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► sort of the the rules of the system [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► they're operating in and I I feel bad [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► that they had a bad result that I don't [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► blame the developers and I i do give [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► credit to apple for having the you know [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► for in putting in the system that they [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► put in so many years ago to give them [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► the ability to deal with this but it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► does make me feel a little bit less safe [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► about downloading applications on the [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► Mac because I you know I downloaded [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► plenty of applications not for the mac [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► app store or from the mac app store for [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that matter and every single one of [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► those is exploitable through a [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► non-technological means like four [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► available mac app store application [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► I don't have any faith that app review [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► would correctly detect some sort of [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► clever sleeping you know it waits a week [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► and then it wakes up and does something [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► bad do your thing and all that it takes [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► for that to happen is for someone to get [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► some poor legitimate developers a [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► developer account password and you know [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► you mock up one of their builds or [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► submitted build our while they're away [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► on vacation or do something else like [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► that's just like a social engineering [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► has nothing to do with technology as far [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► as the entire tech stack is concerned [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► this would be a completely validated [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► approved Mac application and they'll be [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► sandbox and everything like that and I [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► have [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► you know that is there a way to get out [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► of the sandbox within the bounds of [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► samba sandbox can do all sorts of damage [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► probably like you could turn on the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► camera you could capture keystrokes type [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► into that application who knows what you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► can do so like there's there is no truly [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► safe scenario and I I wonder exactly how [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► much safer users are overall if [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► applications if we assume a gap store is [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► a superior level of security to just [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► developer ID it seems to me that every [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► category of application that is just not [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► allowed on the mac app store for some [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► reason is potentially decreasing the [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► security of users over what they could [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► be if the mac app store is it was more [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► permissive in terms of sure you can have [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► a bittorrent client like it's you know [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► we don't we don't say those things are [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► you know no matter what we don't say [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► those things are just evil [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► we don't care how you use the bizarre [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► legitimate uses for the most fun plenty [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► of linux distros and stuff that are [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► distributed by a bittorrent because it's [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► a fast way to download stuff all right [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► software dangerous be careful out there [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► oh man this is like that's that's the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► argument I I one of the strongest [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► arguments for Apple to actually improve [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the mac app store and sandboxing because [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► right now to have a situation where the [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► mac app store is just beyond disrepair i [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► mean it's its seemingly totally [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► unstaffed there's the app itself that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that is this you know the store app that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► runs is horrible its buggy it's messy [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► it's inconsistent it's outdated i mean [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► it's it's just I'd say it's one of the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► worst apps Apple ships right now is the [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► Mac App Store app the service behind it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► is spotty at best review times for [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► developers are lengthy and inconsistent [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► way worse than iOS and you have this [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► technical requirements sandboxing that [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► while great in theory is a huge pain for [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► developers because it has also been [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► kinda half baked in its implementation [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► and also effectively unmaintained so you [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► know and and I i want to i want to maybe [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► get to Steve trend Smith's post about [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► his WC predictions that came up couple [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► weeks ago and and his statement that Mac [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► os10 is a dead platform [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► I i want to maybe get to that but and [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► maybe this might lead us into that a [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► little bit but it just seems like you [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► know Apple started down this path with [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► the appstore sandboxing that they kind [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► of the they said all right here's the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► future here's how we're gonna do this is [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► gonna be great [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► they started and then it seems like [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► nothing has changed since the mac app [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► store launched a except the introduction [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► sandboxing which came shortly after that [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► and then it seems like nothing has [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► changed with sandboxing since then [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► either so we have a situation now where [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► we have what is in theory a great system [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► that could in theory protect people's [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► max better and have more secure software [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► and it easier distribution but in [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► practice the implementation of that [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► system has been fairly mediocre and it's [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► been almost untouched for years so if [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► Apple really wants to improve the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► security of the Mack what they have to [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► do is make these things better make you [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► know make the app store and sandboxing [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► able to support more apps so that more [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► apps can do it and make them good enough [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► that the developers are are incentivized [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► that they actually want to be in the app [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► store and they actually want to adopt [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► sandboxing but it just seems like [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► there's like nobody you know driving the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► ship or whatever if you had been looking [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► the show and see what a scene we push [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► that down for next week and if you have [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► not been on vacation you would have [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► heard me talk about that exact question [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► on upgrade i didn't want but I don't [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► know I spoiler alert i haven't listened [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► yet i was saving it for my car ride [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► coming up to my right but I didn't [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► reject one of the topics that Jason [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► suggested because i wanted to save it [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► for the show [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► no thanks buddy and it was not that 1i I [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► think there's some ground to cover here [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► that you guys didn't cover upgrade [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► because you know you you you made a good [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► case for what the mac is and what it [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► should be which I can summarize if [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► you'll permit is basically like the max [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► should be like the rock like that the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► stable reliable platform that's kinda [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► boring to get updates but is stable and [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► reliable and i agree there's one option [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the other option was you do another OS [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► 10 type transition right sure [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► honestly though I don't really see Apple [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► doing that I mean I could hear i hope [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► i'm wrong but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► like the devoted enough resources to the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► mac anymore to really do any more big [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► transitions I i think the era of big mac [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► transitions over and that might that [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► might be good it's probably not but [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► ultimately it seems like modern-day [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► Apple seems to have this this severe [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► problem of of basically just like as i [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► mentioned before like the kind of the [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► drive-by updates because they don't [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► really have enough people that are like [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► permanently staffed on on major parts of [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► their engineering stuff anymore like it [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► seems like so much of apples engineering [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► resources or are being devoted to other [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► iOS TV watch a car and most likely you [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► know other things like that it seems [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► like they they keep moving the town [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► around so much that there's just nobody [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► left working on things on boring old [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► things like the mac and we haven't even [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► seen how they can how they can do their [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► current platform yet like we haven't [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► even seen what happens with watch OS and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► TV OS this year they're each you know [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► less than a year old at what you know [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► wilda's Apple have the the engineering [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► capacity to keep mac OS IRS on the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► iphone and the ipad which are actually [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► quite different these days TV OS watch [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► OS and the future karo as they have the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► capacity to maintain all of those to a [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► healthy level from what we've seen so [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► far I think the answer is probably not [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the questions that cannot be what gets [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► back bird what gets put in cases parking [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► lot full of white cars look it's ignored [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► you know and I think usually it's been [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the mac and the ipad that's usually what [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► gets ignored this year you know your [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► ipad got some attention [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► we'll see what happens as time goes on [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► but they probably are not in the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► position where they're going to devote [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► tons of engineering talent the mac and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that's unfortunate and it is it is [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► amateur platform that doesn't need a lot [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► of attention but I I again I I'm [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► concerned whether they'll be able to do [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► any kind of big changes in the future so [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► I think it's more likely that we'll keep [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► it on its current path of basically [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► being the nice boring thing that most of [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► us use and depend on very heavily for [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► work but it doesn't look a lot of [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► attention from Apple don't have it so [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► much about their capacity to do it as [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► like that they're going to put resources [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► towards things with growth potential and [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► regardless of the size of the mac and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► how it may be growing big the company [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► feels that the potential growth that is [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► does not warrant putting lots of [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► resources behind it versus say the watch [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► where it's conceivable that they could [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► believe that the watch is like the start [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► of a whole wearables thing and that the [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► potential upside is huge so we're going [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► to put a lot of time and effort into the [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► watch then we'll see the growth [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► potential is there for the mac i think [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► the company feels like most customers [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► and observers of the industry feel like [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► there is not a tremendous growth [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► potential in personal computer [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► traditional personal computers anymore [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► so when it comes time to allocate apples [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► billions of dollars it's easier to make [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the argument for the car or the watch or [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► even the TV because they're also smaller [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► sonu or so non-existent that is very [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► easy to spin out a tale of potential [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► huge growth that will start down here [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► and the graph will go way up there [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► whereas the mac if it has to argue for [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► its resources it can show what its [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► revenue is and how it's going faster [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► than the industry and has taken a chair [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► for Windows PCs but they say okay [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► is the mac going to be four times the [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► the size it is in a couple years they [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► have to say well no probably not and so [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► maybe they just don't get the resources [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► on before we go too far deeper on this [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► because I think this might take a while [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► let's do it let's cover final sponsor us [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► take a while something what Apple in the [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► mac right our final sponsor this week is [TS]

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00:43:50 ◼   ► easy-to-use and they have great support [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► if you needed in fact they even have [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► amazing phone support where if you are [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► confused or need them to do something [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► you can call on the phone during [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► business hours and they have no wait no [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► hold no transfer phone policy which [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► means that literally you call them on [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the phone and if its business hours [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► a human being picked up the phone and [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► that human being can help you [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► they don't have to transfer five [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► different things there's no stupid menus [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► you don't have to say like track a [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► package like now that crap you it's just [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► straightforward a human being picked up [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► the phone who can help you [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► it's fantastic and of course they also [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► have you know email support you need [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that and online online resources to [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► fight that but however is great in less [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► than five minutes you can find domain [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► name that you want and you can get it up [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and running all you have to do is search [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► for a few keywords and they will show [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you the best available options across [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► all domain extensions out there and [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► there are so many weird domains now you [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► can get like diamonds not plumbing and [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► everything they have all those plus all [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► the old ones you can get a more [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► conservative if you want to but [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► basically with all these new TLDs out [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► there almost any word you want you can [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► get dot something with that word in [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► front of it so it's great now and you [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► version if you ever use any other to any [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► other during register before you [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► probably know that it's been unpleasant [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► in the past to register domain names [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► most of these sites there there clunk [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► either hard to use my train derailed [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► your intellect confusing upsells or [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► weird privacy options that you don't [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► really understand however doesn't [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► believe any of that they have great [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► designs are respectful of you and your [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► time and your attention and your money [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► because hover does not try to upsell you [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► on crazy stuff they include everything [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► for free that should be freely domain [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► privacy and they really have very [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► reasonably priced options after that for [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► things like email hosting if you want if [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► you need email in your domain that's [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► really easy to get really simple we [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► don't have to you can just get them and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► be done with it very reasonable prices [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► overall they're really simple to use and [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► very respectful of you and those are [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► things that are pretty rare in this [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► business go to hover com and use promo [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► code Craig's house for ten percent off [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► your first purchase thanks a lot to her [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► for sponsoring our show so I think with [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the mac what what's important about it [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► is that they just maintain what they've [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► started here you know the mac is the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► pinnacle of personal computing it really [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► is the best personal computer out there [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► and whether or not personal computing [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► has a huge potential in front of it i [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► think you're right it probably doesn't [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► but doesn't mean it's going away and it [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► doesn't mean it isn't already big and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► important you know and yet it isn't as [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► important as the iphone but it is still [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► really important to a lot of people [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► and it is also the area in which i would [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► say Apple has the worst and least [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► threatening competition you know that [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► Apple has tons of competition in a very [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► strong competition in phones and tablets [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► and watches in TV boxes and they will [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► have tons of competition in cars with if [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► you're doing that was sure sounds like [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► they are for it in the mac for picture [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► personal computing I don't know a lot of [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► mac users who are like you know what I'm [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► tempted to go try windows like that [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► never happens like yeah they don't have [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► it you know windows are still the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► majority market share holder but first [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► of all that said something about growth [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► I think but but you know windows are [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► still you know the the majority holder [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► here but the matches so good and so many [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► of us rely on it and I I feel like [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► apples responsibility to keep it decent [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► to keep it good and apple needs the mac [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► also i mean what are the right ones iOS [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► apps on empty i guess we can get to [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► Xcode on the iPads as a potential future [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► thing but xcode for iOS is coming is it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► someday I'll remember the remember the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► Swift announcement i totally thought [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► that was going to be trying to I did [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► tweet about it a while back i pinpointed [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► the exact second in the video when they [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► were leading up to the Swift [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► announcement they said a bunch of a [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► couple sentences and I thought the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► sentences were like this is it sex card [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► for iOS it wasn't but the fact that i [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► was the fact that i was so willing to [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► believe that that's what they were [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► announcing based on like they're vague [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► introductory statements AJ seems [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► inevitable to make some day but yeah [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► like that the the Mac the Mac is not use [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► other week better to the mac like you [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► know no one wants a dell running windows [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► or whatever you know as as we all know [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► the real competitive the mac is things [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► that are not personal computers Apple [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► knows that everybody knows that the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► maintenance argument is like right well [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► so until something until unless [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► something comes along that can do [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► everything the mac does better right [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► until the ipad pro grows into that role [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► or whatever that grows into that role [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► like maybe Rolanda vr by then who knows [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► until that happens we still got max is [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► still big business you have to put a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► certain amount of effort into it just to [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► keep that business going and that argues [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► for their like the suggestion yeah you [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► mentioned from upgrade my one of my want [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► to pass the mac which is the stability [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► path which is not just like [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► do what it takes to keep the mac sort of [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► humming along the way it is but like you [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► know I i had visitors are two strengths [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► of the mac one strength of the mac is [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► that it is the platform that you expect [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► not to change and grow that much like [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► it's not in the the market that's taking [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► off like a rocket or whatever so how can [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► you turn that into a strength you could [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► turn into a strength by saying okay what [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► we're going to do with the mac year [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► after year after year it's all we're [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► gonna do is find every single thing that [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► doesn't work on it and make it work like [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► that's all we're going to do we're not [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► going to care how many bullet points in [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► features that we have like nothing like [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► you're not going to add features but [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► every single day release all you want to [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► do is brag about how much better the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► thing you know how much more it does but [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► it was always supposed to do it in the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► first place how much more stable it is [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► you know how many bugs you've squashed [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► any part of it you know security would [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► be a great area to go in into on the Mac [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► was that's kind of stability things like [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► a feature like we're really nailing down [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► security even more and more clothing [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► more security holes being you know [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► that's one way to go and so that would [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► make an experience as a Mac user is like [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► well every year there's not a million [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► new features but every year the mat gets [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► better and better like it gets better [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► for the purpose that we're using it and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► that would be you would sell it based on [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that you would say like you can start [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► selling them to the world's most [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► reliable operating system bulletproof or [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► you know yet what whatever however you [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► want to spend like you can sell [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► stability because if you told any mac [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► user right now that we have a new [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► version of the mac operating system that [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► you know snow leopard style has no new [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► features and not only that but also like [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► we didn't rip out any subsystems and [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► change anything we just like we said [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► what it does now we're gonna make it do [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► that better people like yeah sure [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► signing up if you heard from friends [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► that I i installed the new mac operating [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► system and everything was exactly the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► same except for whatever problem i used [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► to have is gone now they would they [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► would love that right and the other [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► option to go on the mac is what could [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► what is the other strength of the Mack [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► it's not you have a minus is not battery [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► power because laptops are the majority [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► of the max old but you have a higher [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► power envelope that you do on iPads and [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► phones and stuff like that you can right [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► now you could put more powerful stuff [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► inside a mac even a laptop [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► you can inside a phone or tablet because [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► i pads are because a max and you know [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► even this then finish laptop max [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► everything they have a higher overhead [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► you can fit more stuff in there you can [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► put a bigger battery and you put a hard [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► cpu maybe not that much higher in the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► case of the macbook one but certainly [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► much hotter in the case of the iMac [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► which is plugged into the wall or the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► mac pro or the 15 inch or whatever take [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► advantage of that pursue the high-end [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► there try to it try to install the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► fastest of the fast stuff cater to the [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the idea that if you have minimal [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► computer needs get the macbook one or an [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► iOS device but if you really want a big [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► strong Mac will make you the biggest [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► strongest back you can have and then [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► what you would do with the software i [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► say every year is gonna get faster and [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► more powerful and we're going to have [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► you know the the the fanciest features [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► in the best gpus in the best cpus and [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► the fastest SSDs and stuff like that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► really make it like a pro product that [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► takes advantage of the Macan so far [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► applebees we doing it needed one of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► those things instead they're kinda like [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► limping along every year they feel like [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► they need to do release where they have [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► some features to town and they're kind [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► of monkeying around inside there and [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► they do fix the bugs they don't make it [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► super duper fast and you know but they [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► don't on the other hand they don't do [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► nothin year after year and make it [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► boring and that strategy of sort of [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► maintenance level investment with an [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► outward appearance of every year there's [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► an amazing new OS just doesn't seem to [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► be striking the balance for for [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► customers [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► one thing I would say too is like NN [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Steve transmit cover this in his blog [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► post also i really think that [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► development of apps for the mac is [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► really seemingly at a standstill [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► you know even Apple can barely keep [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► their own apps developed for the mac and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► and certainly third-party developing [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► developing for the mac seems to be [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► almost non-existent I mean there's very [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► little action happening they're all the [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► actions of iOS and obviously a big part [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► of that is that developing apps on iOS [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► has a bigger market you know you can you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► can sell more people there's more people [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► shopping in the app store so like the [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► chances of you making a ton of money by [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► being on top chart it is higher on iOS [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► probably [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► but there is a big part of this too on [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► the Mac where the mac does not run uikit [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► the mac runs app get its own you know [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► older framework that was kind of like [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you like it but when you write apps for [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► iOS you run against this this newer kind [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► of cleaner more modern framework and [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► when you write up for the Mac you're [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► right against this crusty or older [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► framework that has a lot more baggage [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► and legacy in it at UI kit was cut up [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► for iOS kind of like you know the the [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► new version of the UI framework with all [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the lessons they've learned from [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► advocate over the years and the mac has [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► gotten some of those lessons ported back [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► to it from iOS four developers to make [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► things easier but but but i think still [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► not most of them and I think as a [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► developer who came here kinda threw iOS [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► and and who and I i currently have not i [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► don't have any mac apps that I've that [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► I've released or that i'm working on [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► really don't get too crazy at all [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► sorry so you know I that I would be so [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► much more likely to to put effort into [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► mac apps if they used a version of UI [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► kit and I've tried app kid I tried [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► making as before and I'm sure if I was [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► if I was you know entirely motivated to [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► do it i plowed through and learn and it [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► would be fine and learned that kid I [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► tolerating doesn't know be fine but the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► fact is right now the fact that I that I [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► have to learn this similar but still [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► fairly different UI framework on the mac [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► to make mac apps that is a big barrier [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► that is discouraging me from doing it so [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► you have a combination of no UI kit on [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► the mac plus the crappy appstore [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► situation plus the fact that it's a [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► smaller market to begin with I feel like [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► that the something there has to change [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► for developers to be interested in [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► making mac apps and right now it seems [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► like nothing is on the horizon for any [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► of those things to change you know app [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► get proponents or experts can make all [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► the same all the same arguments that [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► that shouldn't matter that people like [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► me make about Swift not being necessary [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► thank you you can you can look at that [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► you can say well you know I could learn [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► objective-c but he'll these ugly [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► brackets I don't want to and Swift comes [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► along eventually and it switches getting [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► a lot of people into into iOS and mac [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► development who weren't there before [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► because they just didn't want to learn [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► objective-c a similar kind of effect [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► could happen on the mac with with you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► like it you know if they brought uikit [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► in some in some form obviously I [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► couldn't be identical but if they [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► brought in some form to the mac i think [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► that would that would really bring in a [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► lot of developer interest and really [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► help a reignite third-party interest in [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► the mac as an application platform so I [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► hear us and we're not the only ones talk [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► about well the mac app store is a [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► dumpster fire which shrank it kind of is [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► nobody's doing much for the ipad these [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► days by in large obviously federico [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► amongst others would would disagree but [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► certainly there's a lot of people that [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► are paying a lot of attention the ipad [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► you're not paying much attention to the [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► ipad Marco for example and opaque [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► upfront apps are a dumpster fire you [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► didn't me that's poor way of phrasing it [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► but they don't really work [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the only thing that's even slightly [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► working seems to be free with in-app [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► purchase so I feel like the three of us [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and again we're not the only ones say [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► the mac app store Sox ipad app store Sox [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► the iphone app store store has a lot of [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► great options but it sucks to make money [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► and they are we crazy like there's a lot [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► of apps in the App Store and there's a [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► lot of stuff getting made every single [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► day so why like either were a little bit [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► crazy or it's just not as dire as we [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► think it is it does that make sense like [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► it just the the situation cannot be as [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► bad as we're painting it that you're [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► confusing different kinds of badness [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► alright so one kind of badness is the [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► the fact that it doesn't seem to be a [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► lot of people making new mac [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► applications like that there's every [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► week there are thousands of new mac [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► applications most of which may be crap [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► but every once in a while there's a good [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► like there's not a lot of activity not a [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► lot of churn not a lot of like there's a [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► lot of there's not a growing base of [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► customers to sell to that base is small [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► and there's not tons and tons of [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► developers knocking on door to make tons [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► of new mac apps so that's one kind of [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► ailment because if you have a software [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► market and not many people are making [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► new applications for that platform the [TS]