The Accidental Tech Podcast

160: Be Careful Out There


00:00:00   you said it all about the m5 leaving you [TS]

00:00:03   should pull the engine noise mp3's off [TS]

00:00:05   the computer you can play them anytime [TS]

00:00:06   you want when you're missing so let's [TS]

00:00:11   move on to something super exciting [TS]

00:00:14   let's talk about sequel server on [TS]

00:00:15   because i couldn't even get out of the [TS]

00:00:16   street [TS]

00:00:18   I tried so hard I could even do it well [TS]

00:00:22   this is kind of interesting right [TS]

00:00:23   because like you know Microsoft had [TS]

00:00:24   their database sequel server which for [TS]

00:00:27   forever has required windows server and [TS]

00:00:29   i would imagine a a lot of Windows [TS]

00:00:32   Server licenses were exclusively to run [TS]

00:00:36   Microsoft sequel server so them making [TS]

00:00:39   this are announcing that it will be [TS]

00:00:40   available for Linux is interesting you [TS]

00:00:43   know because that's because that means [TS]

00:00:44   again like we we brought up last week [TS]

00:00:46   how then bringing dotnet to linux [TS]

00:00:49   officially would be you know interesting [TS]

00:00:52   and have might have a negative effect on [TS]

00:00:54   their windows server licenses [TS]

00:00:56   this will probably have an even bigger [TS]

00:00:57   negative effect on Windows Server [TS]

00:00:59   licenses so I think what this is showing [TS]

00:01:01   is that Microsoft would rather that you [TS]

00:01:03   use dotnet and instead and use windows [TS]

00:01:06   and a new sequel server rather than [TS]

00:01:09   necessarily be stuck to windows server [TS]

00:01:11   and so all the reasons that people have [TS]

00:01:13   for for not using Microsoft server [TS]

00:01:15   products now they have 11 big one less [TS]

00:01:18   fewer then bring this up last week I [TS]

00:01:21   don't know maybe I'm misremembering i [TS]

00:01:22   remember talking about the similar [TS]

00:01:26   similar issues of like that Microsoft is [TS]

00:01:28   becoming more friendly to linux and how [TS]

00:01:30   people don't like to run linux servers [TS]

00:01:32   and windows server is the to kind of [TS]

00:01:34   separate domains of knowledge and really [TS]

00:01:37   just run all linux servers linux is [TS]

00:01:38   everywhere in the enterprise and so that [TS]

00:01:41   the Microsoft could tell you i think i [TS]

00:01:43   might have said exchange server for [TS]

00:01:45   linux or something like that but anyway [TS]

00:01:46   and also like the Microsoft could have [TS]

00:01:48   it on linux distro eventually and it [TS]

00:01:50   wasn't you know that was like last week [TS]

00:01:52   and then this announcement came i'm sure [TS]

00:01:53   this announcement Telegraph for people [TS]

00:01:54   who pay more attention to Microsoft than [TS]

00:01:56   i do but i had no awareness they were [TS]

00:01:58   even close to this but then you know [TS]

00:02:00   they're went right after last week's [TS]

00:02:02   show so it and I think christina warren [TS]

00:02:05   was also talking about a microscope [TS]

00:02:06   linux distro around the same time [TS]

00:02:08   I don't see that is implausible although [TS]

00:02:11   a couple people from Microsoft tweeted [TS]

00:02:13   oh you know we partner with redhead and [TS]

00:02:14   so on and so forth and we let them do [TS]

00:02:16   what they do best which is to a linux [TS]

00:02:17   distro we don't have one or whatever but [TS]

00:02:19   if Microsoft pursue this strategy to [TS]

00:02:22   basically we will sell you [TS]

00:02:24   enterprise software and we're not going [TS]

00:02:27   to be super picky about where you run it [TS]

00:02:28   like if I have a lot of customers want [TS]

00:02:30   to run our software on linux fine we'll [TS]

00:02:32   we'll sell them a version to run on [TS]

00:02:34   linux because they're not not though the [TS]

00:02:37   everything windows company anymore i [TS]

00:02:39   mean they haven't been for a while now [TS]

00:02:41   since Ballmer left basically maybe even [TS]

00:02:43   before the fair enough it's so [TS]

00:02:45   interesting push for sure and i'm [TS]

00:02:47   curious to see where this all ends up [TS]

00:02:51   but i like it i think this is Microsoft [TS]

00:02:55   playing to their strengths which we've [TS]

00:02:56   talked about you know several times on [TS]

00:02:58   and off in the past so good on Microsoft [TS]

00:03:00   moving on we got a lot of people that [TS]

00:03:04   wrote in to talk about TV mounting over [TS]

00:03:07   fireplace because unsurprisingly a lot [TS]

00:03:10   of people were perturbed at where I [TS]

00:03:12   mount my TV and we got to recurring [TS]

00:03:16   links which will put in the show notes [TS]

00:03:18   and it was a new Weinstock that I guess [TS]

00:03:21   was the first one in with these links [TS]

00:03:22   one of them is dynamic mounting which is [TS]

00:03:27   very similar to the other which we [TS]

00:03:29   receive far more often which is mantle [TS]

00:03:30   mount and the two of these things [TS]

00:03:34   basically allow you to stuff the TV over [TS]

00:03:37   the fireplace when it's not in use but [TS]

00:03:39   then drop it down kind of in front of [TS]

00:03:41   the fireplace when you are using it and [TS]

00:03:45   these are very clever and things that I [TS]

00:03:47   would never ever bother with because I [TS]

00:03:49   just don't care that much [TS]

00:03:50   I would be so nervous about this like I [TS]

00:03:52   mean again I i know that you can make [TS]

00:03:54   amount that's super strong and [TS]

00:03:57   everything but man having it having the [TS]

00:03:59   TV on the walls bad enough having it [TS]

00:04:01   like suspended on this arm that reaches [TS]

00:04:05   like a couple of feet away from the wall [TS]

00:04:07   it's like thinking like the stresses on [TS]

00:04:09   that mountain oh my god i do I could not [TS]

00:04:12   sleep a night with that above my TV or [TS]

00:04:14   movies are like it would be fine but it [TS]

00:04:16   is kind of weird though because your [TS]

00:04:18   room looks weird with your TV kind of [TS]

00:04:19   hang [TS]

00:04:20   in front of the fireplace like I guess [TS]

00:04:22   it's kind of a solution and the ideas [TS]

00:04:24   you can push it back up when you want [TS]

00:04:25   the room to look nicer or whatever but [TS]

00:04:27   it still seems weird to me and then [TS]

00:04:29   final piece of follow-up I had tweeted a [TS]

00:04:31   challenge to you / our meeting follows [TS]

00:04:34   that here's the PDF of my owners manual [TS]

00:04:37   for my TV make it work [TS]

00:04:39   I got a plethora of suggestions most of [TS]

00:04:41   which are actually very helpful which I [TS]

00:04:43   do appreciate because oftentimes with [TS]

00:04:45   twitter that's not the case [TS]

00:04:47   tentatively i think it may be fixed it's [TS]

00:04:52   been very not reliable and sometimes it [TS]

00:04:56   seems to be working right sometimes not [TS]

00:04:58   when I say working right what I mean is [TS]

00:04:59   that it doesn't overscan or anything [TS]

00:05:02   like that it appears to be I I changed a [TS]

00:05:05   million things at once because my [TS]

00:05:07   terrible debugger apparently when it [TS]

00:05:08   comes to these sorts of things anyway I [TS]

00:05:10   think it is basically the showroom mode [TS]

00:05:13   or something like it or they some sort [TS]

00:05:15   of like let me do everything [TS]

00:05:16   automatically mode when I first change [TS]

00:05:18   that it didn't seem to make a difference [TS]

00:05:19   then all of a sudden it seemed to be [TS]

00:05:21   working so gosh only knows but the [TS]

00:05:24   positive sign so far so thank you to the [TS]

00:05:26   people on Twitter that it sent in some [TS]

00:05:28   tips and in theory i think it might be [TS]

00:05:30   better now so i think both you and Marco [TS]

00:05:32   have had people download PDFs of things [TS]

00:05:35   the own and read them for you and tell [TS]

00:05:37   you how to work [TS]

00:05:38   yeah and i think the comment i think the [TS]

00:05:40   common thread between us here is that we [TS]

00:05:42   just don't care enough about this [TS]

00:05:43   particular thing like Marco does not see [TS]

00:05:45   about about well be sure about finding [TS]

00:05:48   the battery in his car he can write as [TS]

00:05:49   ish and about knowing how to do [TS]

00:05:52   shortcuts on the eye dr for example [TS]

00:05:54   personally I think that's a little weird [TS]

00:05:55   that he didn't care that much but you [TS]

00:05:57   know teach their own and for me I could [TS]

00:06:00   not have possibly cared less about [TS]

00:06:02   reading the manual to fix this problem i [TS]

00:06:03   had lived with it for like six years at [TS]

00:06:05   this point I can live with it some more [TS]

00:06:07   however now that it is fixed i am quite [TS]

00:06:09   well tentatively i am quite pleased that [TS]

00:06:12   a that you was gonna say i spent the [TS]

00:06:14   time but really that the internet spent [TS]

00:06:15   the time to read the PDF for me so [TS]

00:06:17   thanks internet our first sponsor [TS]

00:06:19   tonight is fracture go to fracture [TS]

00:06:22   me.com and use code ATP 10 to get ten [TS]

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00:06:27   prints photos directly onto glass colors [TS]

00:06:31   pop like you won't believe it even comes [TS]

00:06:33   in a solid back [TS]

00:06:33   that's right amount right out of the [TS]

00:06:35   package all you have to do is stick it [TS]

00:06:36   on the included screw and hang it up on [TS]

00:06:38   the wall done it's all really affordable [TS]

00:06:41   to press charges 15 bucks for the small [TS]

00:06:43   square size and are very reasonable [TS]

00:06:44   after that fracture prints look great [TS]

00:06:47   they're all over my hair all over our [TS]

00:06:49   house now there they just keep [TS]

00:06:50   multiplying and they're everywhere we've [TS]

00:06:52   given them as gifts people love these [TS]

00:06:54   things that they complement them they [TS]

00:06:56   look great [TS]

00:06:56   it is literally a photo printed on a [TS]

00:06:59   piece of glass and you stick it on the [TS]

00:07:01   wall and that's it you don't have to [TS]

00:07:02   frame it you don't worry about it like [TS]

00:07:03   you know falling off of some little [TS]

00:07:05   weird hanger thing it just works and [TS]

00:07:07   they're great they're big they're [TS]

00:07:09   beautiful they're lightweight you know [TS]

00:07:10   it again no stress involved in hanging [TS]

00:07:12   on the wall [TS]

00:07:13   the package has been wonderful we've [TS]

00:07:15   never received one that was cracked or [TS]

00:07:17   broken or anything i can do you think [TS]

00:07:19   sending a big piece of glass the mail it [TS]

00:07:21   be risky but now they have to have that [TS]

00:07:23   covered too [TS]

00:07:24   it is great they make great gifts [TS]

00:07:26   they're great for yourself get your [TS]

00:07:27   photos / to get them out of your like [TS]

00:07:29   weird Facebook and Instagram feeds where [TS]

00:07:31   you see them for like a day then they're [TS]

00:07:32   gone forever you know bring them out put [TS]

00:07:34   them on your wall it really makes a [TS]

00:07:35   difference they make fantastic gifts for [TS]

00:07:37   family friends and loved ones as well [TS]

00:07:39   you can celebrate a shared memory with [TS]

00:07:41   somebody if you like you don't go on a [TS]

00:07:42   trip with somebody or you like your kids [TS]

00:07:43   a birthday or whatever takes pictures to [TS]

00:07:46   them to your relatives sounds the people [TS]

00:07:47   who were on the trip with you each [TS]

00:07:49   fracture his hand assembled and checked [TS]

00:07:50   for quality by their small team in [TS]

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00:07:53   more reasons to buy one besides them [TS]

00:07:54   being our sponsors get ten percent off [TS]

00:07:57   right now with the code ATP 10 go to [TS]

00:07:59   fracture me.com to see for yourself [TS]

00:08:01   thanks a lot of fracture so this past [TS]

00:08:04   weekend we celebrated my mother-in-law's [TS]

00:08:06   birthday and we have gotten her a [TS]

00:08:09   fracture print of a photo that I taken [TS]

00:08:11   of Declan at a park nearby that that we [TS]

00:08:14   really liked that she had commented to [TS]

00:08:16   me [TS]

00:08:17   oh man that's a really great picture i [TS]

00:08:18   really like it and yada yada and that [TS]

00:08:21   was like a month ago and so we had [TS]

00:08:24   pretty much instantly turned around went [TS]

00:08:26   to fracture know when your birthday was [TS]

00:08:27   coming and had that printed made pressed [TS]

00:08:30   / you want to phrase it and she opened [TS]

00:08:32   it up in instantly burst into tears [TS]

00:08:34   because she was so overjoyed about how [TS]

00:08:36   good it looked and how awesome it was [TS]

00:08:37   and so seriously kids give it a shot [TS]

00:08:41   it's really good stuff so i actually [TS]

00:08:43   have some surprise follow-up I thought [TS]

00:08:46   we were done [TS]

00:08:47   no this is a surprise follow-up because [TS]

00:08:49   on my desk right now i have two of the [TS]

00:08:54   Apple smart battery cases [TS]

00:08:56   oh god seriously seriously back to this [TS]

00:08:59   respect [TS]

00:09:00   we're going to spend even more time on [TS]

00:09:02   the Apple our veterans just quick quick [TS]

00:09:04   to get one for the the plus + 14 regular [TS]

00:09:06   don't make the plus no one for me one [TS]

00:09:08   for tiff they only making one size just [TS]

00:09:10   for the success that's it yeah because [TS]

00:09:12   you're plus already has enough battery [TS]

00:09:13   life anyway I i have my you know my [TS]

00:09:15   sheep amazon one that I got and I i [TS]

00:09:18   expressed some concern about you know [TS]

00:09:20   being not fi certified I'm a little [TS]

00:09:23   worried about what am i doing my phone [TS]

00:09:24   but otherwise it seems alright but [TS]

00:09:25   excited for this trip to 12 and decided [TS]

00:09:28   let's try these i'll give it a real shot [TS]

00:09:30   a real honest shot and honestly it's [TS]

00:09:34   pretty good i feel like this is a common [TS]

00:09:38   theme with you all this is crap [TS]

00:09:40   fast-forward you know that's not so bad [TS]

00:09:42   yeah you're right you nobody else would [TS]

00:09:44   ever do that Casey like Apple and BMWs [TS]

00:09:47   and I've oh no I'm not innocent on this [TS]

00:09:49   one I'm not interested I'm just bringing [TS]

00:09:51   you down to my level [TS]

00:09:53   I understand the appeal of this case now [TS]

00:09:54   you know so first of all it is really [TS]

00:09:57   easy to take on and off because of the [TS]

00:09:58   weird bendy top it does indeed look [TS]

00:10:01   really stupid holding it is actually not [TS]

00:10:03   bad because the little ledge from the [TS]

00:10:06   from the from the bottom edge of the [TS]

00:10:07   bump you actually can rest on your pinky [TS]

00:10:09   and have kind of a nice hand hold their [TS]

00:10:11   almost your job unless you're John but [TS]

00:10:13   if you hold your phone normally you can [TS]

00:10:15   you can do that and the smartness aspect [TS]

00:10:18   of it is really nice where you never [TS]

00:10:20   have to turn it on or off like that to [TS]

00:10:23   me that is what really sets it apart [TS]

00:10:25   above all that all the other ones is [TS]

00:10:27   that is always just automatic and and [TS]

00:10:30   you can see its status in here today [TS]

00:10:32   view and then in the batteries which it [TS]

00:10:33   so and when you first plug it in it [TS]

00:10:35   shows both side by side shows the case [TS]

00:10:36   and your battery so overall it's [TS]

00:10:39   actually pretty nice [TS]

00:10:41   it still looks stupid it's still big and [TS]

00:10:44   clunky not as big and clunky and some [TS]

00:10:46   better cases I've seen and used but but [TS]

00:10:49   it's still big and clunky the only major [TS]

00:10:51   downside to it besides it's stupid looks [TS]

00:10:54   I think now having used it really the [TS]

00:10:56   only major downside is that the amount [TS]

00:10:59   of extra capacity that you get really [TS]

00:11:00   isn't [TS]

00:11:01   that great it's something I mean I don't [TS]

00:11:03   know something like two-thirds of the [TS]

00:11:04   charger half of charge so it is enough [TS]

00:11:07   if you need just a little boost but I [TS]

00:11:09   feel like I'm on the flight on the way [TS]

00:11:11   out there we both drained our cases down [TS]

00:11:13   to nothing and drained our phones down [TS]

00:11:16   partially just like in in the airport [TS]

00:11:18   here and there you know it going in and [TS]

00:11:20   out of planes and everything and yes you [TS]

00:11:21   can plug in the plane but then you have [TS]

00:11:23   this cable running across your lap and [TS]

00:11:24   kind of inconvenient and you got a [TS]

00:11:26   reason the bag and I was like ideally [TS]

00:11:27   you don't have to so you know ultimately [TS]

00:11:29   it was they did provide enough power but [TS]

00:11:32   it would be nice if they provided more [TS]

00:11:33   like if you're gonna have this big [TS]

00:11:35   battery back on your phone at all i [TS]

00:11:38   would like a little more power than what [TS]

00:11:39   this offers other than that pretty good [TS]

00:11:42   i wouldn't say it's a great value for [TS]

00:11:44   the money but is there a hundred bucks [TS]

00:11:46   and you can get other battery cases for [TS]

00:11:48   like 50 so you know not a great value [TS]

00:11:51   but the fact that you never have to turn [TS]

00:11:54   on or off it just automatically charges [TS]

00:11:56   your phone as necessary and to please [TS]

00:11:59   yourself first and charges you first [TS]

00:12:01   all those things actually pretty nice so [TS]

00:12:04   that's that's my my abbreviated review [TS]

00:12:06   of the Apple smart better case after [TS]

00:12:09   having mercilessly made fun of it for [TS]

00:12:10   like three episodes did you get a white [TS]

00:12:12   1i got we have one of each color tiff [TS]

00:12:15   insisted on the white I insisted on on [TS]

00:12:16   the gray both colors are crappy colors [TS]

00:12:19   of the white hasn't this color itself [TS]

00:12:22   yet but I'm sure it will soon they both [TS]

00:12:25   pick up tons of pocket-lint because they [TS]

00:12:26   are the the rubbery silicon material [TS]

00:12:28   physical form why's there exactly is [TS]

00:12:31   mediocre to expect but they do work [TS]

00:12:34   pretty well i would i would only wish [TS]

00:12:36   for a little more power over although [TS]

00:12:38   you know it is not terrible [TS]

00:12:41   I expected to be terrible it's not [TS]

00:12:42   terrible cool well that's surprising but [TS]

00:12:46   I guess exciting [TS]

00:12:48   yeah I mean no one i have i have this [TS]

00:12:50   battery casings by lenmar and yeah I [TS]

00:12:54   mean it's okay it's a little bit clunky [TS]

00:12:58   but i think they have a newer one [TS]

00:13:00   actually now that's thinner this 1i got [TS]

00:13:02   with my six [TS]

00:13:04   I like it works fine but it's definitely [TS]

00:13:08   big and large and I'm I don't know if [TS]

00:13:12   I'd say heavy but certainly not light [TS]

00:13:14   so it's it's alright and i don't know [TS]

00:13:17   maybe if I were to do it again maybe I'd [TS]

00:13:19   get one of these like you have to be [TS]

00:13:21   honest I did get one of those battery [TS]

00:13:23   packs that you would recommended what [TS]

00:13:25   who makes it again already volt ready [TS]

00:13:28   that's right it's got to be reliable [TS]

00:13:30   how could it not be yeah $25 my company [TS]

00:13:33   you've never heard of that has all these [TS]

00:13:34   little flimsy cables on it it's it works [TS]

00:13:36   most of the time why not it works [TS]

00:13:38   exactly what you'd expect for a $25 [TS]

00:13:39   battery that's fair and i got one of [TS]

00:13:42   those that on your recommendation which [TS]

00:13:43   I guess was on someone else's [TS]

00:13:45   recommendation first it the one I got is [TS]

00:13:47   a truly hideous gold color because that [TS]

00:13:50   was the only one that was available at [TS]

00:13:52   the time I don't even see it on amazon [TS]

00:13:53   anymore so maybe that's been updated [TS]

00:13:55   since then but I'm it's too it's too [TS]

00:13:58   tacky even for amazon seriously so yeah [TS]

00:14:02   so it i haven't traveled with it yet but [TS]

00:14:05   I i am going on a trip soon with a [TS]

00:14:07   plethora of other people and I presume [TS]

00:14:10   it will be a mixed crowd of iphones and [TS]

00:14:13   android phones and it was appealing to [TS]

00:14:15   me that this would have a connection for [TS]

00:14:17   each because I'm a nice guy like that so [TS]

00:14:19   we'll see how it goes if my phone melts [TS]

00:14:22   then you can laugh at me and said I [TS]

00:14:23   shouldn't say I should have gotten the [TS]

00:14:24   smart battery case i'm not sure i would [TS]

00:14:26   ever tell somebody they should have [TS]

00:14:28   gotten the smart battery case like it's [TS]

00:14:30   not that good and it is fairly expensive [TS]

00:14:32   again you know again it's expensive for [TS]

00:14:35   the capacity you get but again it is [TS]

00:14:38   really nice not to have to manage it [TS]

00:14:40   likes like flip it on and flip it off [TS]

00:14:42   like that part is really nice [TS]

00:14:44   yeah that makes sense yeah I mean [TS]

00:14:45   ultimately I this this might be just [TS]

00:14:48   convincing me that I should probably go [TS]

00:14:49   with go 27 plus when the seven comes out [TS]

00:14:51   but we'll see what happens [TS]

00:14:53   don't do it man Mike might have been [TS]

00:14:55   right duh don't do it man [TS]

00:14:57   now you know what what's what's pushing [TS]

00:14:59   more and more towards that as time goes [TS]

00:15:01   on not only my battery preferences but [TS]

00:15:05   also i I really don't use iPads and when [TS]

00:15:08   I i have I I at least didn't get myself [TS]

00:15:10   a pro and I'm probably not going to get [TS]

00:15:12   myself the new you know pro mini [TS]

00:15:15   whatever whatever the heck they're going [TS]

00:15:17   to call the the new ipad air with pencil [TS]

00:15:19   support and pro speakers and pro like [TS]

00:15:22   styling you know whatever the the rumors [TS]

00:15:24   from government they're going to call it [TS]

00:15:26   ipad pro also [TS]

00:15:28   which my theory on that actually it [TS]

00:15:30   matter we're talking about it affect my [TS]

00:15:32   theory on that is I think it makes sense [TS]

00:15:36   for apples current marketing goals to [TS]

00:15:39   name all the big iPads pro because they [TS]

00:15:43   want people to be thinking of the ipad [TS]

00:15:45   as a machine that you can do [TS]

00:15:46   professional work on to help [TS]

00:15:48   differentiate not only from you know big [TS]

00:15:50   phones and everything but also help [TS]

00:15:52   differentiate it from amazon's like six [TS]

00:15:53   pack of cheap tablets you know that they [TS]

00:15:55   want the ipad to be a premium product [TS]

00:15:58   that you can do pro work on if you need [TS]

00:16:01   or want to so I think that's I think [TS]

00:16:04   that their goal here if the if they do [TS]

00:16:06   indeed call it a pro of some form i [TS]

00:16:09   think their goal here is for you just [TS]

00:16:10   for you just think of the iPads as the [TS]

00:16:12   pro tablets and you'll still have the [TS]

00:16:14   mini that probably won't be called pro [TS]

00:16:16   but you know so the little the only non [TS]

00:16:18   pro ipad left will be the mini they [TS]

00:16:20   still call that were many there's no [TS]

00:16:21   more just plain old ipad maybe I mean [TS]

00:16:24   there for much of the not much for some [TS]

00:16:28   of the years that macbook has existed [TS]

00:16:31   there was no just plain old macbook and [TS]

00:16:35   and if you look at you know if you look [TS]

00:16:36   at the laptop which i think is a fair [TS]

00:16:37   comparison here like this is covered [TS]

00:16:39   pretty well on an upgrade connected the [TS]

00:16:41   last couple weeks but if you if you look [TS]

00:16:43   at the mac lineup you have some of the [TS]

00:16:45   low end and then you have like the [TS]

00:16:47   entire middle and high end is all called [TS]

00:16:49   Pro right and that's partially because [TS]

00:16:52   you know these are higher and things [TS]

00:16:53   possibly i think apple realizes like [TS]

00:16:55   these are that gives the whole line like [TS]

00:16:57   an air of professionalism of a premium [TS]

00:17:00   miss you know superiority and and it [TS]

00:17:03   kind of makes macbook you know you just [TS]

00:17:05   follow the throw that kind of makes the [TS]

00:17:07   whole air the whole line seen [TS]

00:17:09   prestigious to have so many of them [TS]

00:17:10   called Pro especially some of them [TS]

00:17:11   people actually buy so you know to have [TS]

00:17:15   to have most of the ipads that end up [TS]

00:17:17   being sold have pro in their name [TS]

00:17:20   I think helps contribute to the [TS]

00:17:22   perception Apple wants to create that [TS]

00:17:23   the ipad can be used for pro use whether [TS]

00:17:26   or not it can is a different story [TS]

00:17:27   that's you know many people can enable [TS]

00:17:30   can't knock me that [TS]

00:17:31   on this episode but I feel like that [TS]

00:17:33   that is a plausible reason why they [TS]

00:17:35   would want to do this i was on one of [TS]

00:17:37   those upper episodes of upgrade and what [TS]

00:17:39   I said on that episode was [TS]

00:17:41   I think that the middle the middle sized [TS]

00:17:43   like the plane i pad sighs the original [TS]

00:17:46   iPad sighs I guess you would call it i [TS]

00:17:48   think there's room to have a model that [TS]

00:17:50   that big with pro in the name and a [TS]

00:17:53   model it's also that big without pro in [TS]

00:17:55   the name because at this point there are [TS]

00:17:57   enough Pro features the smart connector [TS]

00:17:59   the pen the high refresh rate screen the [TS]

00:18:01   speakers that it's enough to [TS]

00:18:04   differentiate to say the program has all [TS]

00:18:05   that stuff and is more expensive and the [TS]

00:18:08   non-pro one that is the same size is [TS]

00:18:10   thinner lighter smaller cheaper and [TS]

00:18:13   worse than all those other ways doesn't [TS]

00:18:14   have a smart connector doesn't support [TS]

00:18:15   the pen at all maybe the cameras [TS]

00:18:17   crappier maybe has even the last year's [TS]

00:18:19   cpu or whatever but it just seems silly [TS]

00:18:23   to me to require what I consider the [TS]

00:18:26   regular ipad size to be encumbered by [TS]

00:18:29   all the pro features become I mean if I [TS]

00:18:32   just think about what kind of iPads to [TS]

00:18:34   reach people want to buy for the [TS]

00:18:35   toddler's then why bother but many is [TS]

00:18:38   not you know it's more fun for toddler [TS]

00:18:40   to have the big-screen to like finger [TS]

00:18:42   paint on and and and play little games [TS]

00:18:44   just do stuff like that so I really help [TS]

00:18:45   eventually maybe maybe for this first [TS]

00:18:47   one they want to but i really hope [TS]

00:18:48   eventually there is a pro 9.7 inch one [TS]

00:18:52   that's the regular size right [TS]

00:18:54   yes 9.7 inch and there's a there's a pro [TS]

00:18:56   9.7 a non-pro nine but seven because [TS]

00:18:58   already and they don't even that many [TS]

00:19:00   preachers that I think they're already [TS]

00:19:01   enough features to clearly differentiate [TS]

00:19:03   the two lines there wouldn't be any [TS]

00:19:04   confusion about it and they can hit more [TS]

00:19:06   price points they could push the pro [TS]

00:19:07   went up in price and they could push the [TS]

00:19:09   non-pro and down by using cheaper stuff [TS]

00:19:12   yeah maybe i don't know we'll see you [TS]

00:19:14   know knowing Tim Cook's apples probably [TS]

00:19:16   like 17 different iPads goodness [TS]

00:19:18   alright so do you want to actually get [TS]

00:19:21   to what we were planning on talking [TS]

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00:19:38   thing that's on my priority list [TS]

00:19:40   the last thing I want to work on and I [TS]

00:19:42   just don't enjoy any part of making a [TS]

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00:20:45   consider that very valuable because the [TS]

00:20:47   reality is if you love writing your own [TS]

00:20:50   CMS find this it probably isn't the best [TS]

00:20:53   use of your time for all your projects [TS]

00:20:55   but you know you can probably find a [TS]

00:20:56   reason to squarespace for everybody else [TS]

00:20:58   you can definitely find a reason to [TS]

00:21:00   squarespace because any website you ever [TS]

00:21:02   need to make for anything whether it's [TS]

00:21:03   for yourself or if you're if you're [TS]

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00:21:06   don't want to have to support it all the [TS]

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00:21:25   watching our show alright so there was a [TS]

00:21:28   bit of a brouhaha over the last week or [TS]

00:21:31   two about endorse ten ransomware attack [TS]

00:21:36   this is the one that was in the [TS]

00:21:38   transmitted by transmission which was a [TS]

00:21:40   is a bittorrent client and no it'sit's a [TS]

00:21:43   client for acquiring new home home [TS]

00:21:45   videos at home movies but it was the [TS]

00:21:47   opportunity call them home videos are [TS]

00:21:48   home with the Home Videos indigo CS the [TS]

00:21:51   transmission is a Bighorn bittorrent [TS]

00:21:53   client / home movie acquire and [TS]

00:21:56   apparently if i understood what happened [TS]

00:21:58   correctly the website had been screwed [TS]

00:22:03   with hijacked etc and somebody Reese I [TS]

00:22:07   new transmission with a [TS]

00:22:08   valid Apple service although not the [TS]

00:22:10   original transmission circuit i believe [TS]

00:22:12   that also had ransomware stuffed with in [TS]

00:22:15   it and so a bunch of people downloaded [TS]

00:22:16   from website and got infected version of [TS]

00:22:19   transmission now sparkle which is the [TS]

00:22:21   auto updater that many many many apps [TS]

00:22:23   outside of the appstore use that i [TS]

00:22:25   believe was written by you and Eva to [TS]

00:22:27   Shaq originally anyway that up i guess [TS]

00:22:29   was not affected but download from the [TS]

00:22:31   website were and there was a ransomware [TS]

00:22:34   virus thing in there that basically said [TS]

00:22:38   hey we have just read we have encrypted [TS]

00:22:40   your entire hard drive past money or you [TS]

00:22:43   can never get a new files back I thought [TS]

00:22:45   encrypted like individual files not the [TS]

00:22:46   whole drive i didn't it's not hard disk [TS]

00:22:48   encryption it was just like find your [TS]

00:22:49   files and encrypt them yet you're [TS]

00:22:52   correct so this was a bit of an issue [TS]

00:22:54   and the biggest issue is it was signed I [TS]

00:22:58   mean it was a valid mac app not for the [TS]

00:23:03   app store of course but it was a valid [TS]

00:23:04   mac app as far as your your installation [TS]

00:23:07   palestine was concerned because was [TS]

00:23:08   signed with a valid development [TS]

00:23:10   certificate shady perhaps because was [TS]

00:23:12   coming from a very different place than [TS]

00:23:14   the normal transmission sir [TS]

00:23:16   geographically speaking but it was still [TS]

00:23:18   a valid cert so it was a bit of a [TS]

00:23:22   cluster to say the least [TS]

00:23:23   what do you think about this well the [TS]

00:23:26   big angle that a lot of people started [TS]

00:23:28   going for was hey if this was on the mac [TS]

00:23:31   app store this would never have happened [TS]

00:23:32   and that baby is true because what [TS]

00:23:36   you're relying on the App Store as I [TS]

00:23:37   guess a preview to realize that this [TS]

00:23:41   supposed bittorrent client if you wait a [TS]

00:23:45   couple days and it starts encrypting [TS]

00:23:47   your files maybe they wouldn't have [TS]

00:23:48   noticed that because again it does wait [TS]

00:23:50   a couple days maybe they're trying to [TS]

00:23:51   wait out a preview like the FB app [TS]

00:23:52   reviewer launch this app and tried using [TS]

00:23:56   it it would work as expected does app [TS]

00:23:58   review like leave it on the system [TS]

00:24:01   running for a couple days or leave it [TS]

00:24:03   around like that maybe it would have got [TS]

00:24:04   past app review as well but that's [TS]

00:24:07   that's one angle on the other one is [TS]

00:24:08   that the developer ID signing thing that [TS]

00:24:12   that Apple has a have created with [TS]

00:24:15   gatekeeper means that you download [TS]

00:24:17   applications and [TS]

00:24:19   they come in three forms totally [TS]

00:24:22   unsigned you know pre gatekeeper [TS]

00:24:24   applications which is how every single [TS]

00:24:25   madcap was and all the years before [TS]

00:24:27   gatekeepers who created the applications [TS]

00:24:30   that are signed with a developer ID but [TS]

00:24:32   don't come to the mac app store and then [TS]

00:24:34   Mac App Store applications that sort of [TS]

00:24:36   like three levels of I guess trust the [TS]

00:24:38   totally untrusted one doesn't require [TS]

00:24:40   anything for you download a binary you [TS]

00:24:41   run into runs and that's you know that's [TS]

00:24:44   the way Mac apps were for most of the [TS]

00:24:47   life of the mac the developer ID ones [TS]

00:24:49   all that does is tie it back to an apple [TS]

00:24:52   developer account which presumably ties [TS]

00:24:55   back to a person or institution or [TS]

00:24:56   somebody you can hold responsible or [TS]

00:24:58   whatever that's kind of relying on [TS]

00:25:00   Apple's signup process to correctly [TS]

00:25:04   identify somebody so like can you go [TS]

00:25:07   through can you get apple developer [TS]

00:25:08   certificate putting in totally fake [TS]

00:25:10   information [TS]

00:25:10   probably but that's that's the only [TS]

00:25:13   thing that developer ID is giving you [TS]

00:25:15   that well two things one that your [TS]

00:25:17   application hasn't been modified in [TS]

00:25:19   anyway which is kind of weird like what [TS]

00:25:20   was wasn't transmission modify well they [TS]

00:25:24   didn't just modify it [TS]

00:25:25   they reassigned it so after they [TS]

00:25:27   modified they signed it with their [TS]

00:25:28   developer certificate and that's extra [TS]

00:25:30   difficult authenticated the fact that [TS]

00:25:32   yes this thing if someone modify this [TS]

00:25:34   thing after you downloaded you'll know [TS]

00:25:36   about it because the signature won't [TS]

00:25:37   match but what you're worried about is [TS]

00:25:39   somewhat modified it and then signed it [TS]

00:25:41   and it is it is it you know I valid [TS]

00:25:45   container for their malware somebody [TS]

00:25:46   would try to mess with their malware [TS]

00:25:47   signing would have caught it and then [TS]

00:25:50   the mac app store like it's the next leg [TS]

00:25:52   up where there's actual human beings [TS]

00:25:53   looking at your application and making [TS]

00:25:55   sure it's okay so why wasn't this [TS]

00:25:56   application on the mac app store my [TS]

00:25:57   understanding is the mac app store is [TS]

00:25:59   not allowed back to our clients at all [TS]

00:26:00   you guys know if that's the case that's [TS]

00:26:01   right i believe that to be true and [TS]

00:26:03   quick real-time follow up this [TS]

00:26:05   encryption would never have worked in [TS]

00:26:06   sandboxing so even if it made it through [TS]

00:26:08   app review it we wouldn't have been able [TS]

00:26:10   to touch the rest of the hours they [TS]

00:26:12   can't get through to the finals I mean [TS]

00:26:13   in reality like this is a bittorrent [TS]

00:26:16   client so it needs to be able to write [TS]

00:26:18   torrent downloads to a directory and so [TS]

00:26:22   what would probably happen is yes you [TS]

00:26:24   could use sandboxing to you know have it [TS]

00:26:27   public dialogue and have you choose the [TS]

00:26:28   directory where it can write much more [TS]

00:26:30   likely would be that [TS]

00:26:32   even if it was sandbox outside of my [TS]

00:26:34   guests or even a sandboxed they're [TS]

00:26:37   probably be some option where the guy [TS]

00:26:38   we'll just you know we need to write [TS]

00:26:40   your whole drive to make some features [TS]

00:26:41   easier to make this flow better and most [TS]

00:26:44   people would say okay you can't even get [TS]

00:26:46   that you can't even get that what he [TS]

00:26:48   calls an entitlement anymore i think i [TS]

00:26:49   think you're right well so they just [TS]

00:26:50   wouldn't be sandbox and nobody would [TS]

00:26:52   care [TS]

00:26:52   you know like it so yeah you know what [TS]

00:26:54   would make it useful in the app store is [TS]

00:26:57   the sandboxing requirement of the app [TS]

00:26:59   store which is problematic in so many [TS]

00:27:01   other ways but in this particular case [TS]

00:27:04   that would have helped [TS]

00:27:06   however the reality is as long as there [TS]

00:27:09   is a way to download apps that aren't in [TS]

00:27:11   the app store on the mac something like [TS]

00:27:13   a bittorrent client is almost certainly [TS]

00:27:16   going to be a little outside of the app [TS]

00:27:17   store by almost all the tutors just [TS]

00:27:19   because dealing with the appstore kind [TS]

00:27:20   of sucks even as user these days and you [TS]

00:27:23   can make a better bit torrent app [TS]

00:27:25   without sandboxing so where the [TS]

00:27:28   developer ID thing really came in here [TS]

00:27:30   is like this transmission could have [TS]

00:27:32   been the third kind of application that [TS]

00:27:34   i said not not signed with any stuff is [TS]

00:27:36   just a binary that you downloaded sort [TS]

00:27:37   of an old-style mac app and if that had [TS]

00:27:39   been the case and tons of people have [TS]

00:27:41   downloaded and start encrypting their [TS]

00:27:42   drives there there would be no real way [TS]

00:27:46   to help them other than education saying [TS]

00:27:48   hey if you accidentally downloaded this [TS]

00:27:50   from this website during this time you [TS]

00:27:51   probably got infected version you should [TS]

00:27:53   delete it and do this and do that and [TS]

00:27:54   here's how to disinfect your system and [TS]

00:27:56   so on and so forth but because it was [TS]

00:27:58   signed with the developer ID Apple could [TS]

00:28:00   revoke the certificate of that developer [TS]

00:28:02   ID through the little sneaky update [TS]

00:28:03   thing that we just described the [TS]

00:28:05   checkbox if we didn't think was there [TS]

00:28:06   the reason regular users should keep [TS]

00:28:08   that checkbox checked is that the Apple [TS]

00:28:11   canada has central control to make sure [TS]

00:28:12   that this thing doesn't launch anymore [TS]

00:28:14   we actually are getting real-time [TS]

00:28:16   follow-up from mr. the chat saying that [TS]

00:28:18   applicant blacklist any binary through [TS]

00:28:20   that system including unsigned one [TS]

00:28:22   well in developer ideas and wasn't [TS]

00:28:24   helping at all that's a shame [TS]

00:28:26   yeah that's alright so what was a what [TS]

00:28:29   were the makers of transmission getting [TS]

00:28:33   out of using developer ID I suppose they [TS]

00:28:35   make people might have to go to the [TS]

00:28:36   gatekeeper settings and put it in the [TS]

00:28:38   most insecure mode [TS]

00:28:39   well no you can also what is it right [TS]

00:28:42   click and go in and select open and then [TS]

00:28:45   it will say oh my god are you really [TS]

00:28:47   sure [TS]

00:28:48   and then you can say yes yes I'm really [TS]

00:28:49   sure yeah i was saying what do you what [TS]

00:28:52   do you get out of the developer ID thing [TS]

00:28:53   as a developer i guess you get less [TS]

00:28:55   scary experience for users because you [TS]

00:28:57   don't require them to go to settings [TS]

00:29:00   they don't understand change it in a way [TS]

00:29:01   that pops up warning dialog boxes or [TS]

00:29:03   whatever [TS]

00:29:04   yeah you you don't require them to like [TS]

00:29:06   right-click and select open the first [TS]

00:29:08   time they run the app and I got that go [TS]

00:29:10   to the extra scared like they still have [TS]

00:29:12   the scary this application download from [TS]

00:29:14   the internet dialogue but if they just [TS]

00:29:17   double-click on a nap under default [TS]

00:29:19   settings that is unsigned it doesn't [TS]

00:29:21   then run it it says I'm sorry is one [TS]

00:29:23   side and then you have like right click [TS]

00:29:25   and say open then then so it lets them [TS]

00:29:27   bypass all of that which you know if you [TS]

00:29:29   do if you're distributing mac apps in [TS]

00:29:32   this day and age that you should almost [TS]

00:29:34   always have at least developer idea if [TS]

00:29:36   not the app store and of course in [TS]

00:29:39   theory you can track it back to whoever [TS]

00:29:41   whatever Apple Developer account signed [TS]

00:29:45   the bad piece of and again that's the [TS]

00:29:46   disconnect detective work can you find [TS]

00:29:48   someone who you want to hold responsible [TS]

00:29:50   they put valid information are they in a [TS]

00:29:53   country hit that has a legal system that [TS]

00:29:55   lets you find them or help them [TS]

00:29:57   accountable in some way i'm assuming not [TS]

00:30:00   i mean the other alternative suggestions [TS]

00:30:02   that room is that maybe it was just a [TS]

00:30:03   legitimate developer they got a [TS]

00:30:04   developer account hacked someone got [TS]

00:30:06   into the developer county they were [TS]

00:30:07   getting their password doing something [TS]

00:30:08   some other way to get into the developer [TS]

00:30:10   account [TS]

00:30:11   there's also been a couple of bugs [TS]

00:30:12   around that make it seem like you could [TS]

00:30:14   exploit gatekeeper to execute arbitrary [TS]

00:30:16   software as if it's trusted those have [TS]

00:30:19   been surmised than in years past but [TS]

00:30:23   there's so many ways you can hide from [TS]

00:30:27   the consequences of doing this bad thing [TS]

00:30:29   that that's like the maker of this [TS]

00:30:32   ransomware like they're there they're [TS]

00:30:33   bad actor here are they going to be [TS]

00:30:35   caught and punished we have the tools to [TS]

00:30:37   do that maybe maybe not [TS]

00:30:40   probably not i mean the and not everyone [TS]

00:30:43   is somewhere where you can get at them [TS]

00:30:45   so anyway x protect the thing that [TS]

00:30:47   downloads the law updates in the [TS]

00:30:49   background and disables things a likely [TS]

00:30:51   that driver [TS]

00:30:52   it may have it may have disabled your [TS]

00:30:55   ethernet driver one week but the next [TS]

00:30:57   week it may have saved you from getting [TS]

00:30:59   your files encrypted by ransom or yeah i [TS]

00:31:02   mean that this is one of those cases [TS]

00:31:03   where most of the time the one of the [TS]

00:31:08   angles that like big business tries to [TS]

00:31:11   try to scare people with to scare them [TS]

00:31:14   away from piracy is well you know if you [TS]

00:31:16   pirate stuff you never know what you're [TS]

00:31:18   getting it could be dangerous you could [TS]

00:31:20   get hack you could get malware you know [TS]

00:31:22   and most of the time that doesn't happen [TS]

00:31:25   with piracy like most of the time it's [TS]

00:31:27   fine and that's one of the reasons so [TS]

00:31:29   many people do it but this is like the [TS]

00:31:32   one time where they were actually right [TS]

00:31:35   let's work you know that we really need [TS]

00:31:38   protection from gatekeeper and from [TS]

00:31:40   sandboxing and you shouldn't pyar things [TS]

00:31:42   because you're putting yourself at risk [TS]

00:31:43   than living random software for many [TS]

00:31:45   places like this is the one time where [TS]

00:31:47   that was actually true but that being [TS]

00:31:49   said I think this made for interesting [TS]

00:31:51   news and it could prompt some [TS]

00:31:53   interesting discussions for these few [TS]

00:31:55   days but i don't think this is going to [TS]

00:31:57   meaningfully change anything for anybody [TS]

00:31:59   it's estimated that I think somebody [TS]

00:32:02   said that the total number of downloads [TS]

00:32:03   with the malware included was only [TS]

00:32:06   something like 6,000 which for something [TS]

00:32:08   like this that's not that giant of a [TS]

00:32:10   number and then you know Apple fairly [TS]

00:32:14   quickly blacklisted the binary so it it [TS]

00:32:17   probably didn't even trigger the malware [TS]

00:32:19   like the encryption step of the malware [TS]

00:32:21   for most of those people so I I don't [TS]

00:32:24   know this doesn't seem like it's that [TS]

00:32:26   big of an event it's it's more about you [TS]

00:32:29   know what it what how we're all talking [TS]

00:32:30   about like you know does this change our [TS]

00:32:34   our opinions of what the max should be [TS]

00:32:35   where it should go security on the mac [TS]

00:32:38   and that I think is a conversation worth [TS]

00:32:39   having [TS]

00:32:40   but this particular matter i think it is [TS]

00:32:42   mostly a non-event and interestingly it [TS]

00:32:45   wasn't like pirated software that was [TS]

00:32:47   infected it was the software used to get [TS]

00:32:49   the packets of expenditures slightly [TS]

00:32:52   different but and movies and don't [TS]

00:32:54   forget [TS]

00:32:54   yeah and this is kind of a shame as big [TS]

00:32:56   as developers like this whose [TS]

00:32:59   applications basically can't be on the [TS]

00:33:01   mac app store for a policy reason [TS]

00:33:03   setting aside all the things that [TS]

00:33:04   you're talking about Marco about like [TS]

00:33:05   well the good ones would want full [TS]

00:33:06   access to your drive and it's less than [TS]

00:33:08   going to use but even just like if [TS]

00:33:09   they're categorically denied because we [TS]

00:33:11   think BitTorrent clients are are just as [TS]

00:33:13   a category a thing that we don't want to [TS]

00:33:15   the max are for App Store for whatever [TS]

00:33:17   reason if you're a developer who makes a [TS]

00:33:19   bittorrent client and you're trying to [TS]

00:33:22   like do as good a job as you can do not [TS]

00:33:24   being in the mac app store you would get [TS]

00:33:26   a developer ID and you would sign your [TS]

00:33:28   application and you would do all these [TS]

00:33:30   things but you know everybody you know [TS]

00:33:32   everyone gets bored sometimes I they [TS]

00:33:35   could you could end up getting act so [TS]

00:33:37   they could hack your website they could [TS]

00:33:38   shove a little thing inside your [TS]

00:33:41   downloadable application bundle and your [TS]

00:33:44   reputation is smeared because everyone [TS]

00:33:47   you know thanks that was whether you [TS]

00:33:49   knew about it or not it's like a [TS]

00:33:50   transmission isn't that thing that [TS]

00:33:52   encrypts your drive and and you know [TS]

00:33:54   like I feel like they're doing [TS]

00:33:55   everything they could within the bounds [TS]

00:33:59   of the technology and the you know the [TS]

00:34:01   sort of the the rules of the system [TS]

00:34:03   they're operating in and I I feel bad [TS]

00:34:06   that they had a bad result that I don't [TS]

00:34:09   blame the developers and I i do give [TS]

00:34:12   credit to apple for having the you know [TS]

00:34:15   for in putting in the system that they [TS]

00:34:17   put in so many years ago to give them [TS]

00:34:18   the ability to deal with this but it [TS]

00:34:22   does make me feel a little bit less safe [TS]

00:34:24   about downloading applications on the [TS]

00:34:26   Mac because I you know I downloaded [TS]

00:34:28   plenty of applications not for the mac [TS]

00:34:29   app store or from the mac app store for [TS]

00:34:31   that matter and every single one of [TS]

00:34:33   those is exploitable through a [TS]

00:34:35   non-technological means like four [TS]

00:34:37   available mac app store application [TS]

00:34:39   I don't have any faith that app review [TS]

00:34:41   would correctly detect some sort of [TS]

00:34:43   clever sleeping you know it waits a week [TS]

00:34:46   and then it wakes up and does something [TS]

00:34:47   bad do your thing and all that it takes [TS]

00:34:49   for that to happen is for someone to get [TS]

00:34:51   some poor legitimate developers a [TS]

00:34:54   developer account password and you know [TS]

00:34:57   you mock up one of their builds or [TS]

00:35:00   submitted build our while they're away [TS]

00:35:01   on vacation or do something else like [TS]

00:35:03   that's just like a social engineering [TS]

00:35:04   has nothing to do with technology as far [TS]

00:35:06   as the entire tech stack is concerned [TS]

00:35:07   this would be a completely validated [TS]

00:35:09   approved Mac application and they'll be [TS]

00:35:12   sandbox and everything like that and I [TS]

00:35:14   have [TS]

00:35:15   you know that is there a way to get out [TS]

00:35:16   of the sandbox within the bounds of [TS]

00:35:17   samba sandbox can do all sorts of damage [TS]

00:35:19   probably like you could turn on the [TS]

00:35:21   camera you could capture keystrokes type [TS]

00:35:24   into that application who knows what you [TS]

00:35:25   can do so like there's there is no truly [TS]

00:35:29   safe scenario and I I wonder exactly how [TS]

00:35:34   much safer users are overall if [TS]

00:35:37   applications if we assume a gap store is [TS]

00:35:40   a superior level of security to just [TS]

00:35:42   developer ID it seems to me that every [TS]

00:35:45   category of application that is just not [TS]

00:35:47   allowed on the mac app store for some [TS]

00:35:48   reason is potentially decreasing the [TS]

00:35:51   security of users over what they could [TS]

00:35:53   be if the mac app store is it was more [TS]

00:35:55   permissive in terms of sure you can have [TS]

00:35:58   a bittorrent client like it's you know [TS]

00:35:59   we don't we don't say those things are [TS]

00:36:02   you know no matter what we don't say [TS]

00:36:04   those things are just evil [TS]

00:36:05   we don't care how you use the bizarre [TS]

00:36:06   legitimate uses for the most fun plenty [TS]

00:36:08   of linux distros and stuff that are [TS]

00:36:09   distributed by a bittorrent because it's [TS]

00:36:11   a fast way to download stuff all right [TS]

00:36:14   software dangerous be careful out there [TS]

00:36:17   oh man this is like that's that's the [TS]

00:36:19   argument I I one of the strongest [TS]

00:36:20   arguments for Apple to actually improve [TS]

00:36:23   the mac app store and sandboxing because [TS]

00:36:26   right now to have a situation where the [TS]

00:36:29   mac app store is just beyond disrepair i [TS]

00:36:33   mean it's its seemingly totally [TS]

00:36:35   unstaffed there's the app itself that [TS]

00:36:38   that is this you know the store app that [TS]

00:36:40   runs is horrible its buggy it's messy [TS]

00:36:43   it's inconsistent it's outdated i mean [TS]

00:36:46   it's it's just I'd say it's one of the [TS]

00:36:48   worst apps Apple ships right now is the [TS]

00:36:50   Mac App Store app the service behind it [TS]

00:36:52   is spotty at best review times for [TS]

00:36:56   developers are lengthy and inconsistent [TS]

00:36:59   way worse than iOS and you have this [TS]

00:37:03   technical requirements sandboxing that [TS]

00:37:04   while great in theory is a huge pain for [TS]

00:37:07   developers because it has also been [TS]

00:37:09   kinda half baked in its implementation [TS]

00:37:12   and also effectively unmaintained so you [TS]

00:37:17   know and and I i want to i want to maybe [TS]

00:37:18   get to Steve trend Smith's post about [TS]

00:37:21   his WC predictions that came up couple [TS]

00:37:22   weeks ago and and his statement that Mac [TS]

00:37:25   os10 is a dead platform [TS]

00:37:27   I i want to maybe get to that but and [TS]

00:37:30   maybe this might lead us into that a [TS]

00:37:31   little bit but it just seems like you [TS]

00:37:33   know Apple started down this path with [TS]

00:37:35   the appstore sandboxing that they kind [TS]

00:37:37   of the they said all right here's the [TS]

00:37:39   future here's how we're gonna do this is [TS]

00:37:40   gonna be great [TS]

00:37:41   they started and then it seems like [TS]

00:37:43   nothing has changed since the mac app [TS]

00:37:45   store launched a except the introduction [TS]

00:37:48   sandboxing which came shortly after that [TS]

00:37:50   and then it seems like nothing has [TS]

00:37:52   changed with sandboxing since then [TS]

00:37:53   either so we have a situation now where [TS]

00:37:56   we have what is in theory a great system [TS]

00:37:59   that could in theory protect people's [TS]

00:38:02   max better and have more secure software [TS]

00:38:03   and it easier distribution but in [TS]

00:38:06   practice the implementation of that [TS]

00:38:07   system has been fairly mediocre and it's [TS]

00:38:10   been almost untouched for years so if [TS]

00:38:15   Apple really wants to improve the [TS]

00:38:16   security of the Mack what they have to [TS]

00:38:18   do is make these things better make you [TS]

00:38:21   know make the app store and sandboxing [TS]

00:38:24   able to support more apps so that more [TS]

00:38:27   apps can do it and make them good enough [TS]

00:38:29   that the developers are are incentivized [TS]

00:38:32   that they actually want to be in the app [TS]

00:38:34   store and they actually want to adopt [TS]

00:38:36   sandboxing but it just seems like [TS]

00:38:37   there's like nobody you know driving the [TS]

00:38:40   ship or whatever if you had been looking [TS]

00:38:43   the show and see what a scene we push [TS]

00:38:44   that down for next week and if you have [TS]

00:38:46   not been on vacation you would have [TS]

00:38:47   heard me talk about that exact question [TS]

00:38:48   on upgrade i didn't want but I don't [TS]

00:38:50   know I spoiler alert i haven't listened [TS]

00:38:52   yet i was saving it for my car ride [TS]

00:38:54   coming up to my right but I didn't [TS]

00:38:56   reject one of the topics that Jason [TS]

00:38:57   suggested because i wanted to save it [TS]

00:38:59   for the show [TS]

00:39:00   no thanks buddy and it was not that 1i I [TS]

00:39:04   think there's some ground to cover here [TS]

00:39:05   that you guys didn't cover upgrade [TS]

00:39:06   because you know you you you made a good [TS]

00:39:10   case for what the mac is and what it [TS]

00:39:13   should be which I can summarize if [TS]

00:39:15   you'll permit is basically like the max [TS]

00:39:18   should be like the rock like that the [TS]

00:39:20   stable reliable platform that's kinda [TS]

00:39:23   boring to get updates but is stable and [TS]

00:39:25   reliable and i agree there's one option [TS]

00:39:28   the other option was you do another OS [TS]

00:39:30   10 type transition right sure [TS]

00:39:33   honestly though I don't really see Apple [TS]

00:39:37   doing that I mean I could hear i hope [TS]

00:39:39   i'm wrong but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:39:41   like the devoted enough resources to the [TS]

00:39:43   mac anymore to really do any more big [TS]

00:39:46   transitions I i think the era of big mac [TS]

00:39:49   transitions over and that might that [TS]

00:39:51   might be good it's probably not but [TS]

00:39:54   ultimately it seems like modern-day [TS]

00:39:57   Apple seems to have this this severe [TS]

00:39:59   problem of of basically just like as i [TS]

00:40:03   mentioned before like the kind of the [TS]

00:40:04   drive-by updates because they don't [TS]

00:40:06   really have enough people that are like [TS]

00:40:08   permanently staffed on on major parts of [TS]

00:40:10   their engineering stuff anymore like it [TS]

00:40:13   seems like so much of apples engineering [TS]

00:40:17   resources or are being devoted to other [TS]

00:40:20   things [TS]

00:40:21   iOS TV watch a car and most likely you [TS]

00:40:26   know other things like that it seems [TS]

00:40:28   like they they keep moving the town [TS]

00:40:29   around so much that there's just nobody [TS]

00:40:33   left working on things on boring old [TS]

00:40:35   things like the mac and we haven't even [TS]

00:40:37   seen how they can how they can do their [TS]

00:40:39   current platform yet like we haven't [TS]

00:40:41   even seen what happens with watch OS and [TS]

00:40:44   TV OS this year they're each you know [TS]

00:40:46   less than a year old at what you know [TS]

00:40:49   wilda's Apple have the the engineering [TS]

00:40:52   capacity to keep mac OS IRS on the [TS]

00:40:56   iphone and the ipad which are actually [TS]

00:40:58   quite different these days TV OS watch [TS]

00:41:01   OS and the future karo as they have the [TS]

00:41:04   capacity to maintain all of those to a [TS]

00:41:06   healthy level from what we've seen so [TS]

00:41:08   far I think the answer is probably not [TS]

00:41:10   the questions that cannot be what gets [TS]

00:41:12   back bird what gets put in cases parking [TS]

00:41:14   lot full of white cars look it's ignored [TS]

00:41:16   you know and I think usually it's been [TS]

00:41:19   the mac and the ipad that's usually what [TS]

00:41:21   gets ignored this year you know your [TS]

00:41:23   ipad got some attention [TS]

00:41:24   we'll see what happens as time goes on [TS]

00:41:26   but they probably are not in the [TS]

00:41:29   position where they're going to devote [TS]

00:41:31   tons of engineering talent the mac and [TS]

00:41:34   that's unfortunate and it is it is [TS]

00:41:36   amateur platform that doesn't need a lot [TS]

00:41:38   of attention but I I again I I'm [TS]

00:41:40   concerned whether they'll be able to do [TS]

00:41:42   any kind of big changes in the future so [TS]

00:41:44   I think it's more likely that we'll keep [TS]

00:41:46   it on its current path of basically [TS]

00:41:48   being the nice boring thing that most of [TS]

00:41:51   us use and depend on very heavily for [TS]

00:41:54   work but it doesn't look a lot of [TS]

00:41:57   attention from Apple don't have it so [TS]

00:42:00   much about their capacity to do it as [TS]

00:42:02   like that they're going to put resources [TS]

00:42:05   towards things with growth potential and [TS]

00:42:06   regardless of the size of the mac and [TS]

00:42:09   how it may be growing big the company [TS]

00:42:11   feels that the potential growth that is [TS]

00:42:13   does not warrant putting lots of [TS]

00:42:16   resources behind it versus say the watch [TS]

00:42:19   where it's conceivable that they could [TS]

00:42:21   believe that the watch is like the start [TS]

00:42:23   of a whole wearables thing and that the [TS]

00:42:26   potential upside is huge so we're going [TS]

00:42:28   to put a lot of time and effort into the [TS]

00:42:30   watch then we'll see the growth [TS]

00:42:31   potential is there for the mac i think [TS]

00:42:32   the company feels like most customers [TS]

00:42:35   and observers of the industry feel like [TS]

00:42:36   there is not a tremendous growth [TS]

00:42:38   potential in personal computer [TS]

00:42:41   traditional personal computers anymore [TS]

00:42:43   so when it comes time to allocate apples [TS]

00:42:47   billions of dollars it's easier to make [TS]

00:42:49   the argument for the car or the watch or [TS]

00:42:52   even the TV because they're also smaller [TS]

00:42:54   sonu or so non-existent that is very [TS]

00:42:57   easy to spin out a tale of potential [TS]

00:42:59   huge growth that will start down here [TS]

00:43:02   and the graph will go way up there [TS]

00:43:03   whereas the mac if it has to argue for [TS]

00:43:05   its resources it can show what its [TS]

00:43:08   revenue is and how it's going faster [TS]

00:43:09   than the industry and has taken a chair [TS]

00:43:11   for Windows PCs but they say okay [TS]

00:43:13   is the mac going to be four times the [TS]

00:43:16   the size it is in a couple years they [TS]

00:43:19   have to say well no probably not and so [TS]

00:43:21   maybe they just don't get the resources [TS]

00:43:23   on before we go too far deeper on this [TS]

00:43:26   because I think this might take a while [TS]

00:43:27   let's do it let's cover final sponsor us [TS]

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00:43:52   if you needed in fact they even have [TS]

00:43:54   amazing phone support where if you are [TS]

00:43:56   confused or need them to do something [TS]

00:43:57   you can call on the phone during [TS]

00:43:59   business hours and they have no wait no [TS]

00:44:02   hold no transfer phone policy which [TS]

00:44:04   means that literally you call them on [TS]

00:44:06   the phone and if its business hours [TS]

00:44:08   a human being picked up the phone and [TS]

00:44:10   that human being can help you [TS]

00:44:13   they don't have to transfer five [TS]

00:44:14   different things there's no stupid menus [TS]

00:44:16   you don't have to say like track a [TS]

00:44:17   package like now that crap you it's just [TS]

00:44:19   straightforward a human being picked up [TS]

00:44:21   the phone who can help you [TS]

00:44:22   it's fantastic and of course they also [TS]

00:44:24   have you know email support you need [TS]

00:44:25   that and online online resources to [TS]

00:44:27   fight that but however is great in less [TS]

00:44:29   than five minutes you can find domain [TS]

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00:44:32   and running all you have to do is search [TS]

00:44:33   for a few keywords and they will show [TS]

00:44:35   you the best available options across [TS]

00:44:37   all domain extensions out there and [TS]

00:44:38   there are so many weird domains now you [TS]

00:44:40   can get like diamonds not plumbing and [TS]

00:44:42   everything they have all those plus all [TS]

00:44:44   the old ones you can get a more [TS]

00:44:45   conservative if you want to but [TS]

00:44:46   basically with all these new TLDs out [TS]

00:44:48   there almost any word you want you can [TS]

00:44:50   get dot something with that word in [TS]

00:44:52   front of it so it's great now and you [TS]

00:44:54   version if you ever use any other to any [TS]

00:44:55   other during register before you [TS]

00:44:57   probably know that it's been unpleasant [TS]

00:44:59   in the past to register domain names [TS]

00:45:01   most of these sites there there clunk [TS]

00:45:04   either hard to use my train derailed [TS]

00:45:06   your intellect confusing upsells or [TS]

00:45:08   weird privacy options that you don't [TS]

00:45:10   really understand however doesn't [TS]

00:45:11   believe any of that they have great [TS]

00:45:13   designs are respectful of you and your [TS]

00:45:15   time and your attention and your money [TS]

00:45:17   because hover does not try to upsell you [TS]

00:45:19   on crazy stuff they include everything [TS]

00:45:21   for free that should be freely domain [TS]

00:45:23   privacy and they really have very [TS]

00:45:25   reasonably priced options after that for [TS]

00:45:26   things like email hosting if you want if [TS]

00:45:28   you need email in your domain that's [TS]

00:45:29   really easy to get really simple we [TS]

00:45:31   don't have to you can just get them and [TS]

00:45:32   be done with it very reasonable prices [TS]

00:45:34   overall they're really simple to use and [TS]

00:45:37   very respectful of you and those are [TS]

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00:45:46   for sponsoring our show so I think with [TS]

00:45:49   the mac what what's important about it [TS]

00:45:52   is that they just maintain what they've [TS]

00:45:55   started here you know the mac is the [TS]

00:45:58   pinnacle of personal computing it really [TS]

00:46:00   is the best personal computer out there [TS]

00:46:02   and whether or not personal computing [TS]

00:46:05   has a huge potential in front of it i [TS]

00:46:07   think you're right it probably doesn't [TS]

00:46:08   but doesn't mean it's going away and it [TS]

00:46:11   doesn't mean it isn't already big and [TS]

00:46:13   important you know and yet it isn't as [TS]

00:46:15   important as the iphone but it is still [TS]

00:46:18   really important to a lot of people [TS]

00:46:21   and it is also the area in which i would [TS]

00:46:23   say Apple has the worst and least [TS]

00:46:26   threatening competition you know that [TS]

00:46:28   Apple has tons of competition in a very [TS]

00:46:31   strong competition in phones and tablets [TS]

00:46:34   and watches in TV boxes and they will [TS]

00:46:37   have tons of competition in cars with if [TS]

00:46:38   you're doing that was sure sounds like [TS]

00:46:39   they are for it in the mac for picture [TS]

00:46:42   personal computing I don't know a lot of [TS]

00:46:45   mac users who are like you know what I'm [TS]

00:46:47   tempted to go try windows like that [TS]

00:46:49   never happens like yeah they don't have [TS]

00:46:51   it you know windows are still the [TS]

00:46:52   majority market share holder but first [TS]

00:46:55   of all that said something about growth [TS]

00:46:56   I think but but you know windows are [TS]

00:46:58   still you know the the majority holder [TS]

00:47:00   here but the matches so good and so many [TS]

00:47:05   of us rely on it and I I feel like [TS]

00:47:08   apples responsibility to keep it decent [TS]

00:47:10   to keep it good and apple needs the mac [TS]

00:47:13   also i mean what are the right ones iOS [TS]

00:47:15   apps on empty i guess we can get to [TS]

00:47:17   Xcode on the iPads as a potential future [TS]

00:47:19   thing but xcode for iOS is coming is it [TS]

00:47:23   someday I'll remember the remember the [TS]

00:47:25   Swift announcement i totally thought [TS]

00:47:26   that was going to be trying to I did [TS]

00:47:28   tweet about it a while back i pinpointed [TS]

00:47:30   the exact second in the video when they [TS]

00:47:32   were leading up to the Swift [TS]

00:47:33   announcement they said a bunch of a [TS]

00:47:34   couple sentences and I thought the [TS]

00:47:36   sentences were like this is it sex card [TS]

00:47:38   for iOS it wasn't but the fact that i [TS]

00:47:42   was the fact that i was so willing to [TS]

00:47:43   believe that that's what they were [TS]

00:47:44   announcing based on like they're vague [TS]

00:47:46   introductory statements AJ seems [TS]

00:47:48   inevitable to make some day but yeah [TS]

00:47:52   like that the the Mac the Mac is not use [TS]

00:47:54   other week better to the mac like you [TS]

00:47:56   know no one wants a dell running windows [TS]

00:47:57   or whatever you know as as we all know [TS]

00:47:59   the real competitive the mac is things [TS]

00:48:02   that are not personal computers Apple [TS]

00:48:03   knows that everybody knows that the [TS]

00:48:05   maintenance argument is like right well [TS]

00:48:06   so until something until unless [TS]

00:48:08   something comes along that can do [TS]

00:48:09   everything the mac does better right [TS]

00:48:11   until the ipad pro grows into that role [TS]

00:48:13   or whatever that grows into that role [TS]

00:48:14   like maybe Rolanda vr by then who knows [TS]

00:48:16   until that happens we still got max is [TS]

00:48:18   still big business you have to put a [TS]

00:48:20   certain amount of effort into it just to [TS]

00:48:21   keep that business going and that argues [TS]

00:48:24   for their like the suggestion yeah you [TS]

00:48:26   mentioned from upgrade my one of my want [TS]

00:48:30   to pass the mac which is the stability [TS]

00:48:32   path which is not just like [TS]

00:48:35   do what it takes to keep the mac sort of [TS]

00:48:38   humming along the way it is but like you [TS]

00:48:40   know I i had visitors are two strengths [TS]

00:48:43   of the mac one strength of the mac is [TS]

00:48:45   that it is the platform that you expect [TS]

00:48:48   not to change and grow that much like [TS]

00:48:50   it's not in the the market that's taking [TS]

00:48:52   off like a rocket or whatever so how can [TS]

00:48:54   you turn that into a strength you could [TS]

00:48:55   turn into a strength by saying okay what [TS]

00:48:57   we're going to do with the mac year [TS]

00:48:58   after year after year it's all we're [TS]

00:49:00   gonna do is find every single thing that [TS]

00:49:01   doesn't work on it and make it work like [TS]

00:49:03   that's all we're going to do we're not [TS]

00:49:04   going to care how many bullet points in [TS]

00:49:05   features that we have like nothing like [TS]

00:49:07   you're not going to add features but [TS]

00:49:09   every single day release all you want to [TS]

00:49:11   do is brag about how much better the [TS]

00:49:14   thing you know how much more it does but [TS]

00:49:16   it was always supposed to do it in the [TS]

00:49:17   first place how much more stable it is [TS]

00:49:19   you know how many bugs you've squashed [TS]

00:49:22   any part of it you know security would [TS]

00:49:25   be a great area to go in into on the Mac [TS]

00:49:27   was that's kind of stability things like [TS]

00:49:29   a feature like we're really nailing down [TS]

00:49:30   security even more and more clothing [TS]

00:49:32   more security holes being you know [TS]

00:49:33   that's one way to go and so that would [TS]

00:49:36   make an experience as a Mac user is like [TS]

00:49:37   well every year there's not a million [TS]

00:49:40   new features but every year the mat gets [TS]

00:49:41   better and better like it gets better [TS]

00:49:43   for the purpose that we're using it and [TS]

00:49:45   that would be you would sell it based on [TS]

00:49:46   that you would say like you can start [TS]

00:49:49   selling them to the world's most [TS]

00:49:50   reliable operating system bulletproof or [TS]

00:49:53   you know yet what whatever however you [TS]

00:49:54   want to spend like you can sell [TS]

00:49:56   stability because if you told any mac [TS]

00:49:59   user right now that we have a new [TS]

00:50:01   version of the mac operating system that [TS]

00:50:03   you know snow leopard style has no new [TS]

00:50:04   features and not only that but also like [TS]

00:50:07   we didn't rip out any subsystems and [TS]

00:50:08   change anything we just like we said [TS]

00:50:10   what it does now we're gonna make it do [TS]

00:50:12   that better people like yeah sure [TS]

00:50:14   signing up if you heard from friends [TS]

00:50:15   that I i installed the new mac operating [TS]

00:50:18   system and everything was exactly the [TS]

00:50:20   same except for whatever problem i used [TS]

00:50:22   to have is gone now they would they [TS]

00:50:24   would love that right and the other [TS]

00:50:26   option to go on the mac is what could [TS]

00:50:28   what is the other strength of the Mack [TS]

00:50:29   it's not you have a minus is not battery [TS]

00:50:33   power because laptops are the majority [TS]

00:50:35   of the max old but you have a higher [TS]

00:50:36   power envelope that you do on iPads and [TS]

00:50:39   phones and stuff like that you can right [TS]

00:50:42   now you could put more powerful stuff [TS]

00:50:43   inside a mac even a laptop [TS]

00:50:45   you can inside a phone or tablet because [TS]

00:50:47   i pads are because a max and you know [TS]

00:50:52   even this then finish laptop max [TS]

00:50:53   everything they have a higher overhead [TS]

00:50:56   you can fit more stuff in there you can [TS]

00:50:57   put a bigger battery and you put a hard [TS]

00:50:59   cpu maybe not that much higher in the [TS]

00:51:01   case of the macbook one but certainly [TS]

00:51:03   much hotter in the case of the iMac [TS]

00:51:05   which is plugged into the wall or the [TS]

00:51:07   mac pro or the 15 inch or whatever take [TS]

00:51:10   advantage of that pursue the high-end [TS]

00:51:13   there try to it try to install the [TS]

00:51:15   fastest of the fast stuff cater to the [TS]

00:51:17   the idea that if you have minimal [TS]

00:51:21   computer needs get the macbook one or an [TS]

00:51:23   iOS device but if you really want a big [TS]

00:51:25   strong Mac will make you the biggest [TS]

00:51:26   strongest back you can have and then [TS]

00:51:27   what you would do with the software i [TS]

00:51:29   say every year is gonna get faster and [TS]

00:51:30   more powerful and we're going to have [TS]

00:51:32   you know the the the fanciest features [TS]

00:51:35   in the best gpus in the best cpus and [TS]

00:51:37   the fastest SSDs and stuff like that [TS]

00:51:39   really make it like a pro product that [TS]

00:51:42   takes advantage of the Macan so far [TS]

00:51:44   applebees we doing it needed one of [TS]

00:51:46   those things instead they're kinda like [TS]

00:51:48   limping along every year they feel like [TS]

00:51:49   they need to do release where they have [TS]

00:51:51   some features to town and they're kind [TS]

00:51:53   of monkeying around inside there and [TS]

00:51:54   they do fix the bugs they don't make it [TS]

00:51:56   super duper fast and you know but they [TS]

00:51:59   don't on the other hand they don't do [TS]

00:52:01   nothin year after year and make it [TS]

00:52:03   boring and that strategy of sort of [TS]

00:52:07   maintenance level investment with an [TS]

00:52:09   outward appearance of every year there's [TS]

00:52:12   an amazing new OS just doesn't seem to [TS]

00:52:14   be striking the balance for for [TS]

00:52:16   customers [TS]

00:52:16   one thing I would say too is like NN [TS]

00:52:19   Steve transmit cover this in his blog [TS]

00:52:21   post also i really think that [TS]

00:52:24   development of apps for the mac is [TS]

00:52:27   really seemingly at a standstill [TS]

00:52:30   you know even Apple can barely keep [TS]

00:52:32   their own apps developed for the mac and [TS]

00:52:34   and certainly third-party developing [TS]

00:52:36   developing for the mac seems to be [TS]

00:52:37   almost non-existent I mean there's very [TS]

00:52:40   little action happening they're all the [TS]

00:52:41   actions of iOS and obviously a big part [TS]

00:52:44   of that is that developing apps on iOS [TS]

00:52:47   has a bigger market you know you can you [TS]

00:52:49   can sell more people there's more people [TS]

00:52:51   shopping in the app store so like the [TS]

00:52:53   chances of you making a ton of money by [TS]

00:52:55   being on top chart it is higher on iOS [TS]

00:52:58   probably [TS]

00:52:59   but there is a big part of this too on [TS]

00:53:03   the Mac where the mac does not run uikit [TS]

00:53:06   the mac runs app get its own you know [TS]

00:53:08   older framework that was kind of like [TS]

00:53:10   you like it but when you write apps for [TS]

00:53:12   iOS you run against this this newer kind [TS]

00:53:15   of cleaner more modern framework and [TS]

00:53:17   when you write up for the Mac you're [TS]

00:53:18   right against this crusty or older [TS]

00:53:20   framework that has a lot more baggage [TS]

00:53:21   and legacy in it at UI kit was cut up [TS]

00:53:23   for iOS kind of like you know the the [TS]

00:53:26   new version of the UI framework with all [TS]

00:53:28   the lessons they've learned from [TS]

00:53:29   advocate over the years and the mac has [TS]

00:53:32   gotten some of those lessons ported back [TS]

00:53:35   to it from iOS four developers to make [TS]

00:53:37   things easier but but but i think still [TS]

00:53:40   not most of them and I think as a [TS]

00:53:45   developer who came here kinda threw iOS [TS]

00:53:47   and and who and I i currently have not i [TS]

00:53:51   don't have any mac apps that I've that [TS]

00:53:53   I've released or that i'm working on [TS]

00:53:56   really don't get too crazy at all [TS]

00:54:00   sorry so you know I that I would be so [TS]

00:54:04   much more likely to to put effort into [TS]

00:54:07   mac apps if they used a version of UI [TS]

00:54:10   kit and I've tried app kid I tried [TS]

00:54:14   making as before and I'm sure if I was [TS]

00:54:17   if I was you know entirely motivated to [TS]

00:54:19   do it i plowed through and learn and it [TS]

00:54:22   would be fine and learned that kid I [TS]

00:54:23   tolerating doesn't know be fine but the [TS]

00:54:26   fact is right now the fact that I that I [TS]

00:54:28   have to learn this similar but still [TS]

00:54:31   fairly different UI framework on the mac [TS]

00:54:35   to make mac apps that is a big barrier [TS]

00:54:38   that is discouraging me from doing it so [TS]

00:54:40   you have a combination of no UI kit on [TS]

00:54:43   the mac plus the crappy appstore [TS]

00:54:46   situation plus the fact that it's a [TS]

00:54:48   smaller market to begin with I feel like [TS]

00:54:50   that the something there has to change [TS]

00:54:53   for developers to be interested in [TS]

00:54:55   making mac apps and right now it seems [TS]

00:54:58   like nothing is on the horizon for any [TS]

00:55:00   of those things to change you know app [TS]

00:55:02   get proponents or experts can make all [TS]

00:55:05   the same all the same arguments that [TS]

00:55:07   that shouldn't matter that people like [TS]

00:55:10   me make about Swift not being necessary [TS]

00:55:12   thank you you can you can look at that [TS]

00:55:14   you can say well you know I could learn [TS]

00:55:16   objective-c but he'll these ugly [TS]

00:55:18   brackets I don't want to and Swift comes [TS]

00:55:21   along eventually and it switches getting [TS]

00:55:22   a lot of people into into iOS and mac [TS]

00:55:26   development who weren't there before [TS]

00:55:27   because they just didn't want to learn [TS]

00:55:29   objective-c a similar kind of effect [TS]

00:55:32   could happen on the mac with with you [TS]

00:55:33   like it you know if they brought uikit [TS]

00:55:35   in some in some form obviously I [TS]

00:55:38   couldn't be identical but if they [TS]

00:55:39   brought in some form to the mac i think [TS]

00:55:42   that would that would really bring in a [TS]

00:55:44   lot of developer interest and really [TS]

00:55:45   help a reignite third-party interest in [TS]

00:55:49   the mac as an application platform so I [TS]

00:55:54   hear us and we're not the only ones talk [TS]

00:55:58   about well the mac app store is a [TS]

00:56:00   dumpster fire which shrank it kind of is [TS]

00:56:03   nobody's doing much for the ipad these [TS]

00:56:07   days by in large obviously federico [TS]

00:56:12   amongst others would would disagree but [TS]

00:56:13   certainly there's a lot of people that [TS]

00:56:16   are paying a lot of attention the ipad [TS]

00:56:18   you're not paying much attention to the [TS]

00:56:19   ipad Marco for example and opaque [TS]

00:56:23   upfront apps are a dumpster fire you [TS]

00:56:27   didn't me that's poor way of phrasing it [TS]

00:56:29   but they don't really work [TS]

00:56:30   the only thing that's even slightly [TS]

00:56:32   working seems to be free with in-app [TS]

00:56:33   purchase so I feel like the three of us [TS]

00:56:38   and again we're not the only ones say [TS]

00:56:40   the mac app store Sox ipad app store Sox [TS]

00:56:43   the iphone app store store has a lot of [TS]

00:56:46   great options but it sucks to make money [TS]

00:56:48   and they are we crazy like there's a lot [TS]

00:56:52   of apps in the App Store and there's a [TS]

00:56:54   lot of stuff getting made every single [TS]

00:56:56   day so why like either were a little bit [TS]

00:57:00   crazy or it's just not as dire as we [TS]

00:57:03   think it is it does that make sense like [TS]

00:57:05   it just the the situation cannot be as [TS]

00:57:08   bad as we're painting it that you're [TS]

00:57:09   confusing different kinds of badness [TS]

00:57:11   alright so one kind of badness is the [TS]

00:57:15   the fact that it doesn't seem to be a [TS]

00:57:17   lot of people making new mac [TS]

00:57:18   applications like that there's every [TS]

00:57:20   week there are thousands of new mac [TS]

00:57:21   applications most of which may be crap [TS]

00:57:23   but every once in a while there's a good [TS]

00:57:24   like there's not a lot of activity not a [TS]

00:57:26   lot of churn not a lot of like there's a [TS]

00:57:28   lot of there's not a growing base of [TS]

00:57:30   customers to sell to that base is small [TS]

00:57:31   and there's not tons and tons of [TS]

00:57:33   developers knocking on door to make tons [TS]

00:57:34   of new mac apps so that's one kind of [TS]

00:57:37   ailment because if you have a software [TS]

00:57:38   market and not many people are making [TS]

00:57:41   new applications for that platform the [TS]

00:57:42   platform feels kind of crappy the iphone [TS]

00:57:44   has the opposite problem [TS]

00:57:45   everybody wants to make an appt [TS]

00:57:46   everybody's making a nap and they're [TS]

00:57:48   just all climbing all over each other to [TS]

00:57:50   get the last scraps and figure out how [TS]

00:57:51   to exploit people to extract money was [TS]

00:57:53   touched so many apps is too many apps in [TS]

00:57:55   the app store it's not because people [TS]

00:57:56   don't care about the iphone people care [TS]

00:57:58   about the iphone a lot like there's tons [TS]

00:58:00   of developers as tons of apps and all [TS]

00:58:02   the things you described about their but [TS]

00:58:03   all you can have paid upfront apps and [TS]

00:58:05   blah blah that's a symptom of an [TS]

00:58:07   entirely opposite problem which is you [TS]

00:58:10   know too much activity lots of [TS]

00:58:12   competition lots of people trying to [TS]

00:58:13   figure out how to get money and plenty [TS]

00:58:16   of people getting rich on on the app [TS]

00:58:18   store like enough people that it [TS]

00:58:19   attracts other people right from the [TS]

00:58:21   outside it looks like all you hear about [TS]

00:58:22   the stories of the five developers who [TS]

00:58:24   are getting red trainer realize that [TS]

00:58:26   there were 10,000 have submitted that [TS]

00:58:27   week right [TS]

00:58:28   and none of those people are going to [TS]

00:58:29   rich p there's enough people getting [TS]

00:58:31   rich that it seems like thats place to [TS]

00:58:33   go everyone has phones huge market even [TS]

00:58:35   if the market is growing its still [TS]

00:58:37   tremendous so but there's just two ends [TS]

00:58:39   of the spectrum the phone in the mac [TS]

00:58:40   both of which have problems but they're [TS]

00:58:42   totally opposite problems I mean you [TS]

00:58:45   would kill to get a little bit of that [TS]

00:58:46   iOS App Store problem on the Mac we're [TS]

00:58:48   all we can't handle the the overflow [TS]

00:58:50   everytime everytime I look at the maps [TS]

00:58:52   or there's 10,000 new applications i [TS]

00:58:54   can't handle it [TS]

00:58:54   that just doesn't happen right so and [TS]

00:58:57   then in the middle the ipad i think it [TS]

00:59:00   has more of the max problem where it's [TS]

00:59:01   like yeah there's lots of applications [TS]

00:59:02   that you can run on the ipad but not a [TS]

00:59:04   lot of them really take advantage of [TS]

00:59:06   what's different about the ipad you know [TS]

00:59:08   so the big complaint now is that people [TS]

00:59:10   are IRS applications that already run [TS]

00:59:12   the ipad but don't take advantage of [TS]

00:59:13   split-screen or don't support the ipad [TS]

00:59:16   pros display or both and why don't they [TS]

00:59:18   update them well it turns out that there [TS]

00:59:21   even though the iOS platform has tons of [TS]

00:59:23   customers the ipad subset is much [TS]

00:59:26   smaller and so it's more like the mac [TS]

00:59:27   where like if I had to spend some time [TS]

00:59:29   going to make sure that my iOS [TS]

00:59:31   application is updated for the iphone 7 [TS]

00:59:33   whatever new features that has [TS]

00:59:34   and then maybe when I have time I'll [TS]

00:59:36   update the if i get around to it update [TS]

00:59:38   mud the ipad version of my iOS [TS]

00:59:40   application to take advantage of [TS]

00:59:42   something that only works on the big [TS]

00:59:43   ipad like split screen or whatever so [TS]

00:59:46   you're right that there's something to [TS]

00:59:47   complain about everywhere but I don't [TS]

00:59:48   think it's I don't think it's as if [TS]

00:59:51   we're saying that they all have the same [TS]

00:59:53   problem they have very different [TS]

00:59:55   problems with very different causes in [TS]

00:59:57   very different solutions so it doesn't [TS]

00:59:57   very different solutions so it doesn't [TS]

01:00:00   doesn't seem to be a contradiction to me [TS]

01:00:01   i guess that's fair i don't know it just [TS]

01:00:04   seems weird that all three platforms [TS]

01:00:08   seem to have some really really systemic [TS]

01:00:11   issues and i'm not saying that that [TS]

01:00:15   those issues aren't real i'm not saying [TS]

01:00:16   that they're not extremely important but [TS]

01:00:19   I don't know just how does Apple not [TS]

01:00:23   either not care or not fix this or we [TS]

01:00:26   crazy and it's not as bad as we think it [TS]

01:00:29   is I don't just seems weird to me that [TS]

01:00:31   that we feel and again when it's not [TS]

01:00:34   just us so many people feel like this is [TS]

01:00:36   broken and there seems to be not a lot [TS]

01:00:41   of care given to it from apple and I [TS]

01:00:43   presume that there is care but as usual [TS]

01:00:46   it's all happening internally and [TS]

01:00:47   working on the wiser but golly I it's [TS]

01:00:50   just it seems weird to me that there's [TS]

01:00:53   no action on this [TS]

01:00:54   well you haven't listed like the pros of [TS]

01:00:56   for example the mac side where with [TS]

01:00:58   something that we all hear from our [TS]

01:00:59   developer friends and that's probably [TS]

01:01:00   true is that it [TS]

01:01:02   it's easier to make money with a really [TS]

01:01:05   good application on the mac minute is an [TS]

01:01:07   iOS because if you have a really good [TS]

01:01:08   application iOS guess what there are [TS]

01:01:10   thousands of really good applications [TS]

01:01:11   iOS if you have a really good [TS]

01:01:13   application on the mac there are not [TS]

01:01:15   thousands of really good applications in [TS]

01:01:16   the mag especially not thousands in your [TS]

01:01:18   category whatever kind of application [TS]

01:01:19   that you made and for whatever reason [TS]

01:01:21   again it may just have to do with [TS]

01:01:22   physical size or whatever you can tend [TS]

01:01:24   to charge more for the mac vs not [TS]

01:01:26   tremendously more these days but still [TS]

01:01:27   more so if you are super talented [TS]

01:01:30   developer and you can make a really good [TS]

01:01:33   application in a category that is not [TS]

01:01:36   overcrowded on any platform if you make [TS]

01:01:39   it a mac application charge 999 for it [TS]

01:01:42   even though you will sell far fewer [TS]

01:01:43   copies you will make up for it for the [TS]

01:01:46   fact that you'll see he'll sell you'll [TS]

01:01:49   make more money on the mac and I and [TS]

01:01:51   again it's hard to go apples and oranges [TS]

01:01:54   there is like well you can make the same [TS]

01:01:56   application you can make an iOS and who [TS]

01:01:57   knows maybe we'll take you longer to [TS]

01:01:59   make it on the Maccabees like Marco you [TS]

01:02:00   don't know the mac and you have to learn [TS]

01:02:01   over there are lots of variables in the [TS]

01:02:03   mix here but I would imagine sort of the [TS]

01:02:06   the the average price of applications [TS]

01:02:09   sold on the mac the ones that are not [TS]

01:02:10   free is higher than Iowa [TS]

01:02:12   and mac users are still willing to pay [TS]

01:02:14   money for good applications and your [TS]

01:02:16   application really will stand out [TS]

01:02:18   because you don't have to compete with [TS]

01:02:19   thousands and thousands of other really [TS]

01:02:21   talented developers who may have the [TS]

01:02:23   same idea for an application in the same [TS]

01:02:24   categories you and that's because it's [TS]

01:02:27   the opposite the type of behavior if you [TS]

01:02:29   look at someone like a family who does [TS]

01:02:31   both things they have great Mac [TS]

01:02:34   applications that they charge real money [TS]

01:02:36   for ninety-nine cents and they also have [TS]

01:02:38   companion iOS applications and I think [TS]

01:02:41   they're finding a way to play to the [TS]

01:02:45   strengths of each platform like we [TS]

01:02:47   should make a mac application because [TS]

01:02:48   their applications are complicated and [TS]

01:02:50   sophisticated and we can charge high [TS]

01:02:51   prices for the mac users will pay it [TS]

01:02:53   whereas if we have sophisticated [TS]

01:02:54   complicated applications that either [TS]

01:02:56   won't work on iOS because that is just [TS]

01:02:59   not a platform that supports its [TS]

01:03:01   complexity and if it does work we have [TS]

01:03:02   to charge less money and on the other [TS]

01:03:03   hand people want to you to have access [TS]

01:03:06   to the data on-the-go and so on and so [TS]

01:03:07   forth will make a series of iOS [TS]

01:03:08   applications which will be high priced [TS]

01:03:11   for iOS applications but still lower [TS]

01:03:13   price than like a $99 madcap or whatever [TS]

01:03:15   and it will be a virtuous cycle you'll [TS]

01:03:17   be able to use your you know your mac in [TS]

01:03:19   your iOS applications together like it [TS]

01:03:21   is possible to take advantage of the [TS]

01:03:23   ecosystems as they exist and make money [TS]

01:03:26   off of it and do a good job but on the I [TS]

01:03:28   feel like it's kind of grandfathered in [TS]

01:03:30   and that they have the expertise and [TS]

01:03:33   talent and experience on the mac [TS]

01:03:34   platform and have expanded out into iOS [TS]

01:03:36   if I think of like where is the next [TS]

01:03:38   nominee coming from is there going to be [TS]

01:03:39   company that starts up now that has that [TS]

01:03:42   deep expertise on the mac and is able to [TS]

01:03:45   make amazing mac applications and [TS]

01:03:47   charged reasonable prices for their also [TS]

01:03:49   make companion iOS applications i don't [TS]

01:03:52   know how many of those are popping up [TS]

01:03:54   whereas an iOS is that since there are [TS]

01:03:56   so many people because the numbers are [TS]

01:03:58   so big even if a fraction of a fraction [TS]

01:04:00   of a percent of them end up striking it [TS]

01:04:02   rich [TS]

01:04:02   it's enough that you register story the [TS]

01:04:04   day like some story about the class of [TS]

01:04:06   people might clash of clans how many [TS]

01:04:07   millions and millions of dollars they're [TS]

01:04:08   making off of that stuff there's just so [TS]

01:04:12   much activity so many customers [TS]

01:04:13   happening happening in iOS that it is [TS]

01:04:15   attracting people whereas the mac i [TS]

01:04:17   don't see I don't see it attracting [TS]

01:04:20   people even I felt better in the days [TS]

01:04:22   like text me where it's like what's this [TS]

01:04:23   a text editor coming on [TS]

01:04:25   we heard of this text may text editor [TS]

01:04:26   how dare you try to make a text editor [TS]

01:04:27   everyone knows text our market is also [TS]

01:04:30   not by inserting name of other [TS]

01:04:32   competitors here but text was very [TS]

01:04:34   popular and it could have been a going [TS]

01:04:38   concern if if the mac market had been [TS]

01:04:41   enough to you know make the maker of [TS]

01:04:43   text made as much money to clash of [TS]

01:04:45   clans got you can you can be sure he'd [TS]

01:04:47   still be making that and we wouldn't [TS]

01:04:50   market wouldn't be using textmate to [TS]

01:04:52   whatever all versions using now he's [TS]

01:04:54   still making it tues and cut in beta [TS]

01:04:55   with constant updates [TS]

01:04:57   I know it's the open-source thing [TS]

01:04:59   welcome to the end of bldg analyze like [TS]

01:05:02   five years ago [TS]

01:05:03   yeah i know but like but you know not [TS]

01:05:06   the text editors are an exciting field [TS]

01:05:08   but like text editing is something that [TS]

01:05:09   people do on the mac and it's not as if [TS]

01:05:12   there are 17 really good high quality [TS]

01:05:16   textures to come for the mac every week [TS]

01:05:18   there's maybe like one or two a year [TS]

01:05:19   right and they usually have to have an [TS]

01:05:22   iOS counterpart no one's interested in [TS]

01:05:23   them so another thing I've been thinking [TS]

01:05:26   about a lot lately is my an old man and [TS]

01:05:29   bear with me here but I think it is [TS]

01:05:34   really silly the hoops that someone like [TS]

01:05:40   federico jumps jumps through and I've [TS]

01:05:43   deep respect for Federico but it seems [TS]

01:05:45   silly to me the hoops that federico [TS]

01:05:47   jumps through in order to accomplish [TS]

01:05:49   things that are very quaint really quite [TS]

01:05:52   simple on the mac and we talked about [TS]

01:05:53   this a few weeks ago when i was talking [TS]

01:05:55   about signing a PDF from my ipad and in [TS]

01:05:59   dealing with scans and things like that [TS]

01:06:00   and how for me it was very very [TS]

01:06:02   difficult to do that and I i talked with [TS]

01:06:07   a handful of people like my curly about [TS]

01:06:10   that segment because Mike used to be [TS]

01:06:13   very anti ipad and then now is like [TS]

01:06:17   almost as big an ipad fan is Federico is [TS]

01:06:20   and I don't know it just seems to me [TS]

01:06:23   like they feel like I'm missing the [TS]

01:06:25   point [TS]

01:06:26   and in Federico's case it is deeply [TS]

01:06:29   important to him to be able to work from [TS]

01:06:30   anywhere and that's semi true with the [TS]

01:06:34   mac [TS]

01:06:35   kish or me know maybe it's true with a [TS]

01:06:40   mac and a tethered phone but it's not as [TS]

01:06:44   true as an ipad pro you can take I've [TS]

01:06:47   had pro anywhere it has its own internet [TS]

01:06:48   connection and you can work anywhere and [TS]

01:06:53   it just it still seems to me to be a bit [TS]

01:06:55   crazy and I can't help but wonder are [TS]

01:06:58   the three of us just too old to [TS]

01:07:00   understand the purpose of the ipad and [TS]

01:07:03   is in to bring this back to what Stephen [TS]

01:07:06   was saying on his post is OS 10 really [TS]

01:07:09   kind of dead like I don't know it just [TS]

01:07:12   seems like maybe we're the ones that are [TS]

01:07:13   missing the boat means going to London [TS]

01:07:16   me and where I'm going to want an ipad [TS]

01:07:17   pro I'm actually I pee sitting next to [TS]

01:07:20   my bed [TS]

01:07:21   well I use the I use my iPad daily so i [TS]

01:07:24   am also a very I would maybe not develop [TS]

01:07:27   but a very frequent ipad user i love my [TS]

01:07:29   ipad i love it but I would never in a [TS]

01:07:32   million years look to my ipad to get [TS]

01:07:34   something done over looking at my mac [TS]

01:07:38   even even to some degree the typical [TS]

01:07:42   things like consumption [TS]

01:07:43   maybe if I'm just cruising twitter i [TS]

01:07:45   would probably choose my ipad over my [TS]

01:07:47   back but damn near anything else man i'm [TS]

01:07:49   gonna go to my mac first because I just [TS]

01:07:51   feel faster quicker better with it and I [TS]

01:07:53   guess what I'm saying roundabout ways is [TS]

01:07:54   that because it's what I'm used to and [TS]

01:07:56   it's not that the mac is faster and [TS]

01:07:58   quicker and better i'm sure empirically [TS]

01:08:00   it is but you know what i mean like is [TS]

01:08:02   it just because that's what I'm used to [TS]

01:08:03   and i have severely OS 10 colored [TS]

01:08:06   glasses let me settle this for you [TS]

01:08:08   we are all old men i am in this way the [TS]

01:08:13   oldest I I i am the least flexible you [TS]

01:08:19   know most skeptical of new things most [TS]

01:08:21   defensive my old ways of the three of us [TS]

01:08:25   i also i also like the ipad the least [TS]

01:08:27   out of the three was I think that being [TS]

01:08:29   said I have no problem with people who [TS]

01:08:32   can do tons of their worker all the work [TS]

01:08:34   on the ipad so I wish I could honestly [TS]

01:08:36   because there's a number of advantages [TS]

01:08:39   22 going all ipad you know obviously [TS]

01:08:42   there's the physical advantages that [TS]

01:08:44   iPads are smaller and lighter and [TS]

01:08:48   have better battery life usually then [TS]

01:08:49   then the most mac laptops but also you [TS]

01:08:53   know that's kind of where Apple's [TS]

01:08:55   attention is now again that being said I [TS]

01:08:57   wouldn't necessarily assume that the [TS]

01:09:00   ipad version of iOS is going to keep [TS]

01:09:03   apples attention from airline has it now [TS]

01:09:05   but it didn't have much attention for [TS]

01:09:07   years and as we see Apple getting pulled [TS]

01:09:11   all the different directions as they try [TS]

01:09:13   to tackle everything all at once with [TS]

01:09:15   limited engineering resources and a few [TS]

01:09:18   ways that they're unwilling to budge [TS]

01:09:20   that will make it hard for them to [TS]

01:09:23   attract more engineering talent that to [TS]

01:09:25   get as much as they need things like you [TS]

01:09:28   know remote workers salaries terms of [TS]

01:09:30   employment stuff like that just make it [TS]

01:09:32   hard for them to attract certain talent [TS]

01:09:35   it's only a matter of time before the [TS]

01:09:39   ipad falls out of the spotlight for [TS]

01:09:43   apple like that will it's only a matter [TS]

01:09:44   of time before the resources that were [TS]

01:09:46   devoted to making iOS 9 really great on [TS]

01:09:49   the ipad and getting the ipad pro at the [TS]

01:09:51   door and and getting the multitasking [TS]

01:09:53   and something that like you know getting [TS]

01:09:55   with the special things for the ipad [TS]

01:09:56   that are in iOS it's only a matter of [TS]

01:09:59   time before those resources are put [TS]

01:10:00   somewhere else before the attention is [TS]

01:10:02   directed somewhere else in apple so I [TS]

01:10:05   don't necessarily expect the ipad 2 to [TS]

01:10:08   be Apple star platform for long but [TS]

01:10:11   right this second it is so right this [TS]

01:10:14   second if you are a person who gets all [TS]

01:10:16   your work done or a lot of your phone on [TS]

01:10:18   an iPad this is a great time to be one [TS]

01:10:19   of those people because you're getting [TS]

01:10:21   cool new stuff from Apple you know [TS]

01:10:23   recently and seemingly you might get a [TS]

01:10:25   little bit more soon right who knows [TS]

01:10:27   we'll see what iOS 10 does but it's kind [TS]

01:10:30   of nice to be like an apple sweet spot [TS]

01:10:33   like where they're where they're putting [TS]

01:10:34   their attention where they're putting [TS]

01:10:35   you know their resources and and what [TS]

01:10:38   and with like to do the future [TS]

01:10:39   alright so that that's nice but I don't [TS]

01:10:42   to me it's it doesn't stick right the [TS]

01:10:46   the ipad a it to me it does feel like [TS]

01:10:49   jumping through tons of hoops but that's [TS]

01:10:52   just the work i do and that's the kind [TS]

01:10:53   of use that I that I do is the kind of [TS]

01:10:55   user I am is what I'm used to you know I [TS]

01:10:57   think personal computers with you know [TS]

01:11:01   keep [TS]

01:11:01   word mouse big monitor a desk a lot of [TS]

01:11:04   time I think that world is going to stay [TS]

01:11:07   for a long time I don't think it is as [TS]

01:11:10   dire as a lot of people have said but I [TS]

01:11:13   also i totally don't begrudge anybody [TS]

01:11:15   else for using whatever they think is [TS]

01:11:17   better and and whatever they're most [TS]

01:11:19   comfortable with because for them it's [TS]

01:11:21   iPads and phones maybe for me it's max [TS]

01:11:24   and that's fine you know and maybe the [TS]

01:11:28   only problem is that that it is pulling [TS]

01:11:30   apple and all these different directions [TS]

01:11:31   is pulling their resources with all [TS]

01:11:33   these different directions and i think [TS]

01:11:35   that could be a bit of a problem and [TS]

01:11:37   we've seen it become a little bit of [TS]

01:11:39   problem so far with just like things [TS]

01:11:41   that get ignored and things that get [TS]

01:11:42   elected and things that get these [TS]

01:11:44   drive-by updates [TS]

01:11:46   I i hope they can find a way to resolve [TS]

01:11:48   this but I'm not hopeful about the [TS]

01:11:53   chances that actually happening I don't [TS]

01:11:54   know I i really hope I'm wrong with all [TS]

01:11:57   this and you know that over the next [TS]

01:11:59   couple years they proved us wrong and [TS]

01:12:00   and we see major significant changes to [TS]

01:12:04   the app stores and you know Mac OS gets [TS]

01:12:07   notable updates and they keep updating [TS]

01:12:09   all their new product lines not just [TS]

01:12:11   know what you like the ones that aren't [TS]

01:12:13   getting a lot of tension forever but I [TS]

01:12:16   don't see any evidence that we're [TS]

01:12:17   heading in that kind of direction and [TS]

01:12:18   that's that's my concern [TS]

01:12:19   yeah and i don't mean to begrudge those [TS]

01:12:22   that prefer to use an iPad it's just [TS]

01:12:24   it's hard for me to understand why [TS]

01:12:26   that's better [TS]

01:12:29   I mean other than the mobility which is [TS]

01:12:31   is pretty much on it [TS]

01:12:32   unequivocal I just don't get why that's [TS]

01:12:34   better and i think what i really should [TS]

01:12:36   be saying is that for me it's not better [TS]

01:12:40   and i don't mean to begrudge that it is [TS]

01:12:42   better for my core federico or anyone [TS]

01:12:45   else I'm just saying for me it's hard [TS]

01:12:46   for me to wrap my head around why that [TS]

01:12:49   would be better and I think Marco you [TS]

01:12:50   made a great point that a lot of that [TS]

01:12:51   release the fact that now I'm living in [TS]

01:12:53   xcode previously i was living in vmware [TS]

01:12:54   fusion that's that's my day-to-day job [TS]

01:12:56   works for a lot of these people that's [TS]

01:12:58   not their job [TS]

01:12:59   also you know what I said earlier all [TS]

01:13:01   the action in the app store like all the [TS]

01:13:03   action and apps is happening iOS right [TS]

01:13:06   now like if if you make use of you know [TS]

01:13:10   cool new modern apps to do pretty much [TS]

01:13:13   anything too [TS]

01:13:14   different workflows and maybe you're [TS]

01:13:16   doing like photo editing and you want to [TS]

01:13:17   use a cool plugins and effects and [TS]

01:13:19   everything all that action is happening [TS]

01:13:21   iOS iOS if you want to play games ever [TS]

01:13:24   game from a kind of miserable most of [TS]

01:13:25   the time like all the action for cool [TS]

01:13:30   new absolute being developed [TS]

01:13:32   cool new workflows cool new things you [TS]

01:13:34   can do with your computer most of that [TS]

01:13:36   is happening on iOS most of the iphone [TS]

01:13:40   in particular but some of it is also [TS]

01:13:42   getting back into the ipad on the mac it [TS]

01:13:44   you know there's no action to be had you [TS]

01:13:46   know Mac Mac apps are seemingly either [TS]

01:13:49   like in in stasis or dying like you have [TS]

01:13:53   like an aperture gone you know logic and [TS]

01:13:56   final cut are like barely supported you [TS]

01:13:59   have third-party apps that are kind of [TS]

01:14:01   wither on the vine a lot of times it's [TS]

01:14:03   it's tough it's it's a little scary to [TS]

01:14:07   be a Mac user right now as we see kind [TS]

01:14:09   of a big part of the world moving on you [TS]

01:14:13   know a big part of apples and [TS]

01:14:14   third-party developers efforts moving to [TS]

01:14:16   other places [TS]

01:14:17   what you said before about the ipad like [TS]

01:14:20   you think that eventually their [TS]

01:14:21   attention will go elsewhere like it's in [TS]

01:14:23   the Sun now like the ipad pro but that [TS]

01:14:25   eventually the the you know they lose [TS]

01:14:27   interest again because you know in the [TS]

01:14:29   early in the ipads hit life it was [TS]

01:14:31   basically like a a less less important [TS]

01:14:35   version of iOS it didn't have many ipad [TS]

01:14:37   specific features for several years and [TS]

01:14:41   that may be the case but I have to think [TS]

01:14:43   that Apple overall as a company had one [TS]

01:14:47   of its goals that has that have [TS]

01:14:49   somewhere and it's big list of like [TS]

01:14:50   multi-year goals is to to do what it [TS]

01:14:55   normally does and be the company they [TS]

01:14:56   cannibalize the maxi the mac with no big [TS]

01:14:59   growth potential [TS]

01:15:00   they see it as another market that could [TS]

01:15:03   potentially be cannibalized by other [TS]

01:15:05   markets like it's small biz other [TS]

01:15:07   markets are growing apples whole thing [TS]

01:15:10   is we want to be the ones to cannibalize [TS]

01:15:12   the neck and we want to be the ones to [TS]

01:15:13   cannibalize the ipod by replacing with [TS]

01:15:15   the iphone we if because if we don't do [TS]

01:15:17   it someone else will eventually because [TS]

01:15:19   if whatever thing that we're talking [TS]

01:15:20   about being cannibalized does not have a [TS]

01:15:22   very big growth trajectory eventually [TS]

01:15:25   whatever size it is will be your fault [TS]

01:15:27   whatever the next big thing is so Apple [TS]

01:15:29   is kind of in the business of ok well [TS]

01:15:32   let's figure out what the next big thing [TS]

01:15:34   is because if we just do nothing [TS]

01:15:36   someone else will do it for us and the [TS]

01:15:39   ipad and they cut the emphasis mad pro [TS]

01:15:42   is one effort to do that hey if the next [TS]

01:15:44   going to be cannibalized let let us do [TS]

01:15:46   it [TS]

01:15:47   I've always said that the ipad has the [TS]

01:15:49   potential to be the thing that replaces [TS]

01:15:51   the mac if given enough attention and if [TS]

01:15:52   its capabilities are extended in the [TS]

01:15:54   ipad pro could be like the very very [TS]

01:15:55   beginning of that process but say it [TS]

01:15:57   doesn't work out so they try to make the [TS]

01:15:58   try to cannibalize mac with a Predator [TS]

01:16:00   drone doesn't work if the ipad losses [TS]

01:16:04   apples attention i think it will be [TS]

01:16:05   because they have another idea of the [TS]

01:16:09   things going to cannibalize the mac and [TS]

01:16:10   they don't have a certain number of [TS]

01:16:11   shots of this idea of what's going to [TS]

01:16:13   cannibalize the night before someone [TS]

01:16:14   else does it for them but i think that [TS]

01:16:16   Apple is the company does not want some [TS]

01:16:19   other thing made by some other non apple [TS]

01:16:21   company to be the thing that finally [TS]

01:16:23   makes the mac irrelevant i think apple [TS]

01:16:24   wants to make the mac irrelevant right [TS]

01:16:26   now is the ipad is the thing that's [TS]

01:16:27   doing that so i have to think that [TS]

01:16:28   attention is going to be paid to the [TS]

01:16:31   ipad until either something else makes [TS]

01:16:34   the mac irrelevant as in not an apple [TS]

01:16:35   product or until Apple gives up on the [TS]

01:16:37   ipad doing that and decided that it [TS]

01:16:38   needs another solution [TS]

01:16:40   I don't think there is any long-term [TS]

01:16:42   we're 60 years from now the max soldiers [TS]

01:16:46   on pretty much exactly as it is I just [TS]

01:16:48   don't see that happening so my hope is [TS]

01:16:51   that Apple figures out what to replace [TS]

01:16:54   the mac with and I think the ipad line [TS]

01:16:57   has the potential to do that if enhanced [TS]

01:17:00   in all the ways that we've discussed in [TS]

01:17:01   past shows in terms of larger screens [TS]

01:17:03   iPads aren't really particularly [TS]

01:17:05   portable way more capabilities in an iOS [TS]

01:17:08   figuring out the whole file situation so [TS]

01:17:11   when it's over I think wait you're [TS]

01:17:13   probably right long-term monitoring [TS]

01:17:16   timescale thing you're probably right [TS]

01:17:18   but I have a hard time seeing how iOS [TS]

01:17:22   gets from here to there [TS]

01:17:24   iin technically you know like on a [TS]

01:17:28   low-level like on an API level on a [TS]

01:17:29   kernel level everything you're probably [TS]

01:17:31   right that like the the next version the [TS]

01:17:35   next major version of mac OS is probably [TS]

01:17:38   in iOS derivative I don't know what's [TS]

01:17:40   going on that's coming out and whether [TS]

01:17:42   that'll be good but but like I think [TS]

01:17:45   what replaces mac OS eventually will [TS]

01:17:48   indeed be a version of iOS and we will [TS]

01:17:51   just have large iOS devices with [TS]

01:17:54   keyboards and mice guess i don't know i [TS]

01:17:58   mean it probably you know but and and [TS]

01:18:01   that would also solve my UI kit problem [TS]

01:18:04   with no universe that kind of thing but [TS]

01:18:07   I i I don't I don't know I there's so [TS]

01:18:10   much distance between iOS today and what [TS]

01:18:14   it would have to be to be even a basic [TS]

01:18:17   mac OS replacement that I have a hard [TS]

01:18:21   time seeing that happening just because [TS]

01:18:23   the distance is so great and maybe [TS]

01:18:25   that's the short side of me i don't know [TS]

01:18:26   i mean it may not have to be an [TS]

01:18:28   equivalent for you but like when you're [TS]

01:18:31   retired or dead [TS]

01:18:32   it just needs to have the capabilities [TS]

01:18:34   of the people who grew up in the [TS]

01:18:35   generation that grew up with iOS devices [TS]

01:18:37   find acceptable to do like the same kind [TS]

01:18:39   of things you're doing now developing [TS]

01:18:41   software like under whatever whatever it [TS]

01:18:44   is that you're doing with your mac that [TS]

01:18:45   you feel like you can only do on your [TS]

01:18:46   Mac all that needs to happen is that [TS]

01:18:48   needs to be a generation of customers [TS]

01:18:50   who feel like they can best do that on [TS]

01:18:53   some tablet type device whether or not [TS]

01:18:56   you can best do that on the tablet type [TS]

01:18:58   device doesn't really matter you just [TS]

01:19:00   need the capabilities need to be there [TS]

01:19:01   it's like with case was saying about [TS]

01:19:03   Michael that Mike finds the ipad [TS]

01:19:05   experience superior in ways the case he [TS]

01:19:07   does understand i can understand some of [TS]

01:19:09   them and in terms of just the simplicity [TS]

01:19:11   and this fewer things that can go wrong [TS]

01:19:13   and iOS device and this newer things to [TS]

01:19:15   worry about or whatever and also that [TS]

01:19:17   thing's feel better sometimes in terms [TS]

01:19:18   of just like body gesture or touching [TS]

01:19:20   the screen or using a pen [TS]

01:19:22   or whatever and those can go a long way [TS]

01:19:24   towards covering up the fact that you're [TS]

01:19:26   actually it takes more steps or it's [TS]

01:19:29   less efficient or it's you know it's not [TS]

01:19:31   as straightforward as it would be on the [TS]

01:19:33   mac or whatever but I'm totally willing [TS]

01:19:35   to give the ipad pro and that type of [TS]

01:19:38   thing a shot because like Apple has just [TS]

01:19:40   barely scratched the surface they just [TS]

01:19:41   now divided the screen up into two [TS]

01:19:43   pieces like that'sthat's level they're [TS]

01:19:45   at right [TS]

01:19:45   they've just now offered you an actual [TS]

01:19:47   keyboard that you can attach the thing [TS]

01:19:49   like this is the baby is the baby steps [TS]

01:19:51   like they just now give you a stylus [TS]

01:19:54   which is a thing that has not really [TS]

01:19:55   taking off on the macro today offers you [TS]

01:19:57   know a a new angle so I'm willing to [TS]

01:20:00   give that a few years i'm not it's not a [TS]

01:20:02   slam dunk but i think there is a [TS]

01:20:04   fruitful avenue of pursuit there and [TS]

01:20:06   what they're pursuing is not the phone [TS]

01:20:08   obviously what they're pursuing is if [TS]

01:20:10   the mac is going to go away will be [TS]

01:20:12   replaced with something we think it [TS]

01:20:14   might be this and then we were benefits [TS]

01:20:16   like well fine max shrinks ipad pro [TS]

01:20:18   grows all that money goes to apple the [TS]

01:20:21   ipad as a guest on a better growth [TS]

01:20:23   trajectory whatever if that turns out [TS]

01:20:26   not to be the case at least have it be [TS]

01:20:27   from you know that that not because you [TS]

01:20:30   didn't put money into it because like [TS]

01:20:31   for the first several years of the ipad [TS]

01:20:33   was if Apple almost like they thought we [TS]

01:20:35   make a tablet device that's all we have [TS]

01:20:37   to do and then instantly will become the [TS]

01:20:39   new future personal computers like now [TS]

01:20:41   you got actually put more effort into it [TS]

01:20:42   and that otherwise people going to keep [TS]

01:20:43   using Mac's so I i feel like the math is [TS]

01:20:47   safe for a long time just because even [TS]

01:20:48   if Apple's a hundred percent right it [TS]

01:20:50   will take them a long time to figure out [TS]

01:20:52   all the ins and outs and probably the [TS]

01:20:54   mac OS for all of our active careers or [TS]

01:20:57   whatever but remember in our dotage and [TS]

01:20:59   retired don't be surprised if you're [TS]

01:21:01   looking at grandkids on a gig ipad pro [TS]

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01:21:13   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:21:17   mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

01:21:21   it was accidental John didn't research [TS]

01:21:26   Marco in kc would let down [TS]

01:21:29   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:21:33   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:21:36   know today p dot and its twitter follow [TS]

01:21:44   them [TS]

01:21:45   yes byl ISS so that's Katie list and a [TS]

01:21:51   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our see [TS]

01:21:58   that Syracuse [TS]

01:22:12   so John let me ask you something [TS]

01:22:16   have you ever been to Las Vegas and if [TS]

01:22:18   not how badly do you want to go you know [TS]

01:22:21   the answers to both of those life had I [TS]

01:22:24   did that more for my own community for [TS]

01:22:26   my own laughter so as as I was in Vegas [TS]

01:22:29   last weekend and Casey as you are headed [TS]

01:22:32   to Vegas in a few days i hope that you [TS]

01:22:35   consider while you're there as i did [TS]

01:22:39   while I was there [TS]

01:22:40   what it would be like to see John [TS]

01:22:41   siracusa in vegas and the state of mind [TS]

01:22:45   he would be in to be sitting there I [TS]

01:22:48   felt so bad for him even not being there [TS]

01:22:51   like just I felt so bad for theoretical [TS]

01:22:53   siracusa in vegas like that [TS]

01:22:56   oh my god why would he would be so [TS]

01:22:58   miserable not to mention the flight on [TS]

01:23:00   the way there but you know any I mean my [TS]

01:23:02   god to see him in any part of Las Vegas [TS]

01:23:05   would be both sad and incredible my [TS]

01:23:09   company but i'm not a miserable person [TS]

01:23:10   like I would find like they have food [TS]

01:23:12   there right at the very least i would [TS]

01:23:15   find some kind of food that I could eat [TS]

01:23:18   that i would like you know how could you [TS]

01:23:19   not there's gotta be a million different [TS]

01:23:20   restaurants there that make some kind of [TS]

01:23:23   hopefully good food [TS]

01:23:25   I don't be interested in gambling [TS]

01:23:26   smoking is disgusting [TS]

01:23:28   I don't like lots of people like it's [TS]

01:23:29   not a lot there for me but I was stuck [TS]

01:23:31   there [TS]

01:23:32   there are a lot of restaurants right so [TS]

01:23:35   i could find something there are [TS]

01:23:37   excellent restaurants however in many [TS]

01:23:40   many of them require walking through a [TS]

01:23:42   smoky casino to get to me that's pretty [TS]

01:23:44   gross delightful you end up up or down [TS]

01:23:48   against the house down by roughly a [TS]

01:23:52   hundred bucks that's not bad [TS]

01:23:54   it not only is that not bad but that was [TS]

01:23:56   after three nights and a lot of that was [TS]

01:23:58   given out as tips to the dealer's you're [TS]

01:24:00   up fifty percent the last time I heard [TS]

01:24:02   and you're like me to stop now but [TS]

01:24:04   apparently you didn't I was up I was up [TS]

01:24:06   forty percent after the first night but [TS]

01:24:09   then you know second night was way down [TS]

01:24:10   and then the third night was kind of [TS]

01:24:11   even right but you said after that you [TS]

01:24:13   said after the night that you're up you [TS]

01:24:14   used to yourself I believe in slack [TS]

01:24:17   maybe I should just quit while I'm ahead [TS]

01:24:19   he said and then didn't yes I mean [TS]

01:24:22   gambling is always you know everything [TS]

01:24:24   it in hindsight gambling is very easy to [TS]

01:24:28   highlight was it was a current right [TS]

01:24:30   then cite you had that you had a nice [TS]

01:24:32   immediately at the time not later [TS]

01:24:34   not not the next day you didn't say boy [TS]

01:24:36   I really should have quit when I was up [TS]

01:24:38   forty percent when you were up when [TS]

01:24:39   you're up you said maybe I should quit [TS]

01:24:41   now I did to that but then I wouldn't [TS]

01:24:43   have had as much fun the next two nights [TS]

01:24:45   ago I wouldn't have been I would have [TS]

01:24:47   had activity so it's you know it's like [TS]

01:24:48   you know i paid that money for an [TS]

01:24:50   activity you know and I mean you know [TS]

01:24:52   most of the games that you can gamble on [TS]

01:24:54   in Vegas you know that the odds in favor [TS]

01:24:56   the odds are always in favor of the [TS]

01:24:58   house but the percentage that they're in [TS]

01:25:00   favor of the house by is usually not [TS]

01:25:01   that big and so if you if you kind of [TS]

01:25:04   bet responsibly you don't make really [TS]

01:25:06   huge better like make like accelerating [TS]

01:25:08   bet strike one picture money like my [TS]

01:25:10   strategy was very simple i bet the same [TS]

01:25:12   amount of money and everybody took i was [TS]

01:25:14   playing to play not to win a bunch of [TS]

01:25:17   money because i know that the chances of [TS]

01:25:19   winning a bunch of money were very very [TS]

01:25:20   low so simple as that you know I it was [TS]

01:25:24   a fun activity and it served its purpose [TS]

01:25:25   and i paid about a hundred bucks for [TS]

01:25:27   three nights and includes tips and then [TS]

01:25:29   include all the free drinks i got the [TS]

01:25:30   time so I don't I I think that's [TS]

01:25:31   actually pretty good for my first [TS]

01:25:33   gambling experience [TS]

01:25:35   nope they're actually that was my second [TS]

01:25:36   camera experience my first camping [TS]

01:25:38   experience was in college when I [TS]

01:25:40   discovered that online blackjack existed [TS]

01:25:44   and I put 20 bucks of real money into [TS]

01:25:47   online blackjack in college lost in [TS]

01:25:49   about 10 minutes and like well I'm an [TS]

01:25:52   idiot that was dumb [TS]

01:25:53   didn't the kinetochore idea is that [TS]

01:25:57   right that's like that's not really a [TS]

01:25:59   lot of fun that's a very short time to [TS]

01:26:01   lose all your money and you just yeah it [TS]

01:26:03   wasn't that what that was [TS]

01:26:04   they didn't have the same field it would [TS]

01:26:06   be better if someone smoking cigarette [TS]

01:26:07   next to why you did it [TS]