The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► every single person on twitter is [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► telling me about the Bernie Sanders fish [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► thing didn't happen like a day or two [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► ago I don't know [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► well you could you can love them in with [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► all the people telling me about the [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► latest aftermarket for ferrari with my [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► name on it we got it done doesn't give [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► your pre-show neutral there's there's a [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► Ferrari now how do they say it is it [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► siracusa or do they say two different [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► way this is not a new thing this this [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► company has done this to every minute [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► interview ferrari for like the past [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► three generations like it's not it's [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► they always look yellow and black [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► they're always kind of gaudy they always [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► have that same name [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► they always have the name siracusa yeah [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► well that's something that's the first [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► part of NM or something [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► masonry like an aftermarket tuner like a [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► like a like rough [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► yeah or what's the BMW was addy didn't I [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► don't know it's that dying is how I've [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► always pronounced it's pronounced [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► siracusa sailing for Mustangs and you [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► know anyway they do this all the time [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► but you know every time it comes out [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► someone someone sees it for the first [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► time and they tell me I've never seen [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► this before you have I have sent you the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► picture of like the 458 version I've [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► never seen it i'm telling you i don't [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► think i've said this i think i also sent [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► you that maybe the one I didn't know you [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► before that but the I think you've seen [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► it before who all right so what so it's [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► just like of it aftermarket monitor that [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► that mods and resells messed up for [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► ari's with your name on them [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► yep cool alright and there ra yellow and [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► black which some people find gaudy so I [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► like I would never pick those colors but [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► i don't think there is hideous as a lot [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► of people to mean it's like if you're [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► gonna go yellow and black it's sure as [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► hell is yellow and black is that means [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► like but you know lime-green [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Lamborghinis or whatever like some [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► people some people like that for their [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► exotic cars out of curiosity so they [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► cannot to Pastor John test here if you [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► were given one of these would you sell [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► it for a different one [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► yeah where would you keep this one sell [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► sell sell sell [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► ok because like every you get good money [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► for it would have no miles on it will be [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► brand-new and these specially modified [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► ones like they do for people who want [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► this you know they're all lightened have [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► extra carbon fiber and then also the [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► stuff you did good money for you could [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► buy a standard i would rather have a box [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► stock boring [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and one than this you know I i like to [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► think in in my peaceful happy place in [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► my mind that people who would who would [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► have the means to buy a Ferrari like [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► this would have better taste than to [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► choose this one but I don't think it's [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that I don't think it's that bad like we [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► don't think is untested like free for [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► example i think the like the baby food [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► metallic orange weird or mustardy kind [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► of yellow BMWs ri1 pleasing this looks [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► like a matchbox coming you know like and [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► i'll give you that if if you're going [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► for that look it's like don't go halfway [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► if you want to have like pins and flares [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► and extreme contrasting colors like this [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► is that and it is a reasonable execution [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► of that I think it is a valid aesthetic [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► like it's like the difference between [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► the old difference between Lamborghini [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► and Ferrari Lamborghini was always how [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► many intakes and ducks and sharp angles [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► and fins and wedges and stuff we put on [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► there and for our was a little bit [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► smoother and this is kind of like taking [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► a Ferrari and going in the Lamborghini [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► direction so I don't think is actually [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► ugly i just think it's you know it's too [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► loud for my taste but i think it is a [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► competent execution of that style so if [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► you were given one immediately sell yep [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► i think i would too [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► oh I absolutely would but my home is [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► where it's worth good money like you [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► would get more money than selling a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► regular one because it is more rare and [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► it's it has desirable characteristics [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► for people who want to race them or [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► whatever you want to do with this thing [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► and sometimes mods make something less [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► valuable actually i would venture to say [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► that most models make cars less valuable [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► for aftermarket things like again if you [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► gotta a BMW with a bunch of aftermarket [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► modifications that is desirable for [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► anyone who wants an aftermarket modified [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► BMW they will give you more money than a [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► fresh off the lot stock BMW and so when [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► I when I did buy a used BMW I i [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► specifically sought one out that was [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► unmodified and then i got when i when i [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► went i had to drive to Maryland to see [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► the 1i found and it was the windows were [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► halted in my cup [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► I didn't want that you know it but i [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► figured that easy to undo so I I brought [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► i bought that one brought it home and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► immediately brought to attend place to [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► remove all 10 and i didn't know that is [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► that right yeah that was that was the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► one model that [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► it was shipped also there's a ECU modded [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► yeah so I I don't understand i'm not a [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► modern so i don't really understand that [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► the whole the whole deal with it or the [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► whole culture behind it so I I just [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► assume that it's just not for me [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► well you know it it depends on what [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► you're after right like I agree with you [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► that I would never ever ever buy a car [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that I've known to be modified but that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► being said I put a chip in my car which [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► is to say I'm inside you see I say put a [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► chip in it I it's all software you know [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► there's no physical bits to it but i did [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► that's my car i have a cob on it and I [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► like it but once the cob its CEO BB it's [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► the company that that report that has a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► box that lets you reprogram the computer [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► and so that's what I've done to my car [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► and it's better for sure it's faster and [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► I like it but I wouldn't say that it's [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► night and day better and this is the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► first car i can remember that I've done [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► any sort of real modification to never [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► tempted to call or even though I kind of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► would like to but yeah it's not worth it [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► I've never put aftermarket wheels on a [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► car off not worth that you should have [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► seen how ridiculous i looked getting out [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► of a car with black tinted windows [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► I actually kind of him sad that I didn't [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► it lasted less than a week that was the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► little the first thing I did when I [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► brought her home like I drove home and I [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► think that same day I called the [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► templates to schedule an appointment to [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► get to pick it up [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► that's not surprising John have you ever [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► done any sort of monster your car now [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► but if I did I would do the ones like [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the ones of those day after marketers [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► that I described before are like where [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they do things that try to make the the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► car better like so lightweight parts [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► take some part that's heavy and put in a [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► part that is equally strong but lighter [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► like that's always good right or you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► know inside the engine if you could [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► change like titanium connecting rods [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► together you know to increase the the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► red line or whatever like those type of [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► modifications seemed to me Martin [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► exactly the same things that the m [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► division does that AMG does or whatever [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► you know like changes that actually make [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the car better and whatever way you want [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► to make the car better less window [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► tinting and custom paint and ground [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► effects and more more of the things that [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the manufacturer would do [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► to make the car better indeed alright [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► well I'm sad that you would not be a fan [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► of the Ferrari siracusa I don't know [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► what I mean if the roles were reversed [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► that was the Ferrari list and how could [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► you not [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► although that would be a terrible night [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► that has your name all over the thing [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► but just the item that's not what I want [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► to hurry i wanted to be read call me [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► what would a Ferrari listby I don't even [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► know it all of course it'd be white [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► that's it now huh we're done [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► same as it ever was gotta try to get the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► four-wheel-drive one right there be four [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► wheel drive one took to stop so you want [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► yeah that's it alright can we move on to [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► follow up I probably should have done [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► some research about the mono xamarin [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► confusion and we got a handful of emails [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► about this and I probably looked at them [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► and said yeah it's whatever and then I [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► archive them to do you want to take the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► stage on as did to explain i was gonna [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► stop you when you were saying during the [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► show but I figured just let it slide [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► normally cares but apparently a lot of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► people there i don't know all the [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► details of this but I at least know that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► mono is the name was not this is not [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► interchangeable was a marine same room [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► as a company named mono is the name of [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► the open-source implementation of dotnet [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► and their related to each other but it's [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► not as if mono became xamarin and some [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► people wrote us tell us things that we [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► talk about our previous shows that was [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► my room is doing is making a way for you [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► to write iOS applications by writing and [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► c-sharp to use their framework and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► deployed iOS and other platforms and [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► southern microsoft buying them gives [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► them a company that lets you write [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► applications and C sharp and have them [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► run on more than just windows phone not [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► you know we didn't have a whole show we [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► talked about that like what it would be [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► like to write to write an iOS app in [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► c-sharp we talked about it a long time [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► ago so long ago that it's not likely I'm [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► gonna bother putting shit anyway I think [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► the only people who care are people [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► already know the intricacies better than [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► we do and the people who don't we can [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► just leave it at if you want to know [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► more details about it look it up [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► what we said on the last show was a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► little bit muddled but then again this [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► whole thing I feel like it's a little [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► bit model like trying to figure out what [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► they're doing with this technology what [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► what products is amber and have [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► now versus what is this Microsoft buying [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► their buying the people the expertise do [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► they care how much they care about the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► products that the company has now versus [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► the company that Microsoft wants them to [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► build or maybe take what they've already [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► built in modified in a one way or [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► another and it was this flurry of [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► stories about you mentioned something to [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► kc like the past few weeks about [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► Microsoft's various projects to let [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► people run applications from other [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► mobile platforms on windows mobile so [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► like you know take your iOS app and [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► running on windows phone or at our [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► windows 10 or whatever and will run [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► android apps or you'll be able to [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► recompile your android apps for Windows [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► Phone i forgot they were called where [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► they're all kinds of like woods island [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► would something like the Ironwood anyway [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► obviously we're not keeping up on the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► all these various projects couple more [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► or can recently a couple of them live on [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► it's all part of Microsoft's ongoing [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► struggle to figure out how to take what [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► is by all accounts a reasonable mobile [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► platform at least as reasonable as [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► Android certainly better than android [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► was an android early days and try to [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► find a way to make it viable in the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► market because at this point android and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► iOS have so much momentum that they're [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► just trying to you know trying to get [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► customers trying to get developers it's [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the it's the really tough chicken egg [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► situation that Apple founded itself in [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► with the mac where the pc just came to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► dominate and no matter how much better [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► the mac was it was just difficult to get [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► people to develop for it and one of the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► one of the strategies people suggested [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► as Oh max run windows programs or it [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► should be easy to write a program for [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► windows and for that program for the mac [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► and apple steadfastly held against that [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► saying no we don't want like we don't [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► want people to we know that might get [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► people to report their application for [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► those be crappy windows ports we want [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► people to buy real mac applications and [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► be real mac developers and do everything [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► the right way [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► was that a mistake was made no [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► difference i don't know it's just what [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► Apple did it certainly kind of the high [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► road [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► microsoft is kind of trying everything [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► at this point what if we make it easier [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► for you to take your iOS application and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► use some of that all summer all that [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► work to get [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► same application running on windows [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► would that help you get developers but [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► if we will run android apps period just [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► will take the binaries and then somehow [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► magically like all sorts of ideas to try [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► to get some traction in the market to my [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► eyes as someone who supported apples [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► decisions not to license mac OS and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► everything back in the days i think [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► those efforts are not going to help them [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► but you know we said trying right yeah I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► mean I guess so yeah so I'm sorry to the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► two people who are really into mono and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► salmon and in this whole ecosystem I [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► like John said it's it's fairly [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► confusing for me since I don't live and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► breathe it to keep it all apart i'm [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► sorry i got that a little bit screwed up [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► I'm sorry to both Windows Phone users [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► for saying something wrong about your [TS]

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00:12:56 ◼   ► sponsoring our show so Apple made an [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► oops in the last week [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► oh she's this is bad this is so bad it's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► not that bad it's funny but I add [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► the fix was really easy alright so what [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► are we talking about here Casey you're [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► here the summarizer so behind this [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► summarized in chief mynah so my [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► understanding of the situation was Apple [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► has a mechanism by way they can [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► blacklist kernel extensions and I can't [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► think of any particular examples offhand [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► but there are times when Colonel [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► extension will go bad and they can [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► blacklisted and it's usually used for [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► malware like if they discover some kind [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► of Colonel attention malware this is [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► that the I think the intention of this [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► system is to is for them to be able to [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► very quickly disable it on all max you [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► know globally within a very short amount [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► of time and the other example again I [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► got it is the one from this thing which [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► is if they have a new version of an [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► extension because they know the old 1i [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► can exploit or something like their own [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► like their own kernel extensions they [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► want to blacklist the old one so that [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► you know so that people's max are [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► exploitable because they'll give you a [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► new one here use this new one and then [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► by the way make sure the old one is that [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► is never loaded again because we know [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► it's problem without yep right this is [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► this extends like we're having [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► clarification distant from each other [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► and this extends also to binaries to [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► apps like if they can blacklist any [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► binary that is deemed malware and so it [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► really is a very good feature for [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► malware for the treatment to prevent the [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► spread of it to disable stuff that gets [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► out there so it's a good feature that [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► that I'm glad it's there [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► however they messed something up this [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► time yes so it's important to note that [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► these black list entries can ride [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► without doing a formal software update [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► of course it's still some sort of [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► software update that's happening behind [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the scenes but the key is that is [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► happening behind the scenes and so [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► without any user intervention you can [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► just have this update this black list [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► update get happened to you and things [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that are blacklisted will just magically [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► go away [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► well I didn't really think much of this [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► nigga didn't even know about it but then [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► a few days ago I could swear I saw [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► Jason's now saying all of a sudden my [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► imac's ethernet port isn't working [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► anymore is anyone else seeing this [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► what's going on here and mine was [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► working on my knightmon my imac's I [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► didn't think much of it and then fast [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► forward about 24 hours and it turns out [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► that Apple blacklisted their own [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► internet driver whoops without shipping [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► a replacement because that was that [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that's that's my understanding is that's [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► where this one wrong they had a new [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► version of this driver is coming with [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► like 10-11 for whatever which is not out [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► yet i think still at and so they [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► blacklisted the old one and there you [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► know you supposed to get the blacklist [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► at the same time you get the upgrade to [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► the new one but instead the blackness [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► for the old one out but the upgrade to [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► the new one did not so if you're Jason's [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► now all of a sudden your Mac appears not [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► to have an ethernet port over this [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► manifested like basically didn't even [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► that is not going to go because the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► colonel extension will not be loaded and [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► you have no replacement [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► yeah and and the end they they did [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► within I don't know a few hours maybe [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► like they did fairly quickly fix that [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► with like the next definition next [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► version of that the definition that [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► downloads but that didn't do you any [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► good if you rebooted in the meantime [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► there and then you had no internet with [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► which to download that update and not to [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► mention the fact that like I think you [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► know it's not like it's not like it [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► comes up and tells you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► error dialog hey your Ethernet Colonel [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► extension is no longer working because [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► we deem that insecure like it they don't [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► tell you anything just fail silently you [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► can just disappears if you if you reboot [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► these off for updates like they happened [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► face asleep behind the scenes you don't [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► see them they don't go through like you [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► go there's no spinner there's no [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► dialogue there's no thing popping up [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► there's no like I see the mac app store [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► launching none of that happens just [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► magically gets updated and as far as i [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► know you can't disable it right you [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► probably can you disable I mean you [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► could like fire wallet but like like you [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► know if it's like there's no setting to [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► not do those right probably just read [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► rename the the binary that uses it uses [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► that it doesn't use like software update [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► do whatever you can there's always ways [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► to stop the stuff but yeah in general [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► for the regular person there is no way [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► there is no button or checkbox our [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► preference pane for you to not do that [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► right and I mean so you know the good [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► thing is like at least it didn't also [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► affect Wi-Fi so that probably cut down [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► substantially in the number of number of [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► computers that were affected by this [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► because very reason right [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► he well he's like us and a lot of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► people's spirits out but you know I [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► think what's most concerning about this [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► like look no one no one's perfect but it [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► just seems like this this to me feels a [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► lot like the same kind of problem as the [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► whole mac app store [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► certificate expiration problem that [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► happened twice in the last few months [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► just the latter one seemed to only [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► happen to developers but you know where [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it just seems like there's this really [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► critical function of the system that [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► something seemingly just rushed out [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► there without being tested or with some [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► degree of carelessness and I it doesn't [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► you know it doesn't bode well for the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► Mac when Apple seems to not be devoting [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the resources to what should be their [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► most stable secure platform like the max [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► should be a rock it should be rocks [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► table because it is mature it's not [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► changing that that quickly anymore it's [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► not like it doesn't like iOS where [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► things are moving really fast and is [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► constantly new stuff it's the rock it [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► should be stable and the fact that [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► they're doing things like this with some [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► kind of failure in the process where [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► things are getting out that that break [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► things pretty badly like this it really [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► makes me concerned for the process they [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► have in place to to validate these [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► things and to test for these things and [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► for the the overall amount of resources [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► that they're giving the mac because [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► everything we keep hearing from people [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► inside the company is that basically [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► whenever there's like a new hot project [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► engineers get moving around like crazy [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► like there's constantly like engineer [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► getting pulled off of certain project or [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► go into work at a more interesting group [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► or whatever else because lots of [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► internal moving the people around and [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► often leaves things effectively status [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► and it feels to me from the outside like [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► most of the mac is effectively staff [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► Lewis and that's concerning to me as and [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► because what happens then when when when [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► things are staff less like this and that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► inside Apple what tends to happen is at [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► some point you know a year later [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► somebody dictate hey we need to have a [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► new version of OS 10 with 10 new [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► features or hundred new features or [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► whatever and then people kind of get [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► temporarily brought in and they do this [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► kind of like drive-by work and then they [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► go back to other stuff and again i don't [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► know if this is how it works but this is [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► how it feels and it kind of matches up [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► with a little bit of things we've heard [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► and so it just seems like it seems like [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► Apple does not dedicate resources [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► full-time two things that I think need [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► all time resources and that to me is [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► very concerning [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► I don't know what to make of it i mean [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► on the one side I feel like apples job [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► as a hardware and software vendor is not [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► to make this mistake but just like we [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► were talking about the police officers [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► earlier everyone's human everyone makes [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► mistakes i don't know if i don't know if [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► it's if if it's fair for us to try to [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► assume what happened i mean i don't know [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► if this is somebody dropped the ball I [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► don't know if this is somebody hit a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► button a little too early accidentally [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter but certainly a [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► lot of what we've talked about in a [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► couple of different subjects over the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► last few episodes of the show is [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► perception and when were already of the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► perception that Apple isn't doesn't have [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► the attention to detail that they used [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► to do things like this don't doesn't [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► really help [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► similarly you know another so a similar [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► example is Steven Hackett noticing just [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► the other day and I don't know how I [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► never noticed this that there's a really [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► kind of crummy and semi egregious typo [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► in disk utility and it he says at the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► bottom of this post while this may seem [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► silly because it's a typo it's not like [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► functionally broken while this may seem [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► silly it's this attention to detail [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► stuff that worries me about apple [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► software and that's I think why were [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► harping on this is because Apple it [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► companies of this size and companies [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that out how much they pay attention to [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► detail they shouldn't really make [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► mistakes like these and if they do they [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► shouldn't be often and granted [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► blacklisting an ethernet driver is very [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► very different than transposing a couple [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► of words and disk utility but well but [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► you know what like disk utility like [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► first of all like that was part of a big [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► disk utility update and redesign that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► probably didn't need to happen i don't [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► know i'm not familiar with the logical [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► and behind it but it's like it's a [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► system utility that got like a basically [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► every design that removed a bunch of [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► features and made it look nicer it's [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► like who only geeks were ever using this [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► like this doesn't didn't need to be made [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► nicer in a way that negatively affected [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► it and it's kind it's like you don't [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► want disk utility of all [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► things to have a drive-by sloppily done [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► update like a typo in disk utility is [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► like a typo on your brake pads like you [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► really don't want any signs of [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► carelessness in that and so it just it [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► worries me that it just seems like [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► nothing is off limits for carelessness [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► with with the maximum and with what [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► Apple's working on and again like so [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► many people us included depend on this [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► platform to be stable and to be are rock [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► where we get our work done it doesn't [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► move that fast anymore but we don't care [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► it's this is this is the stability here [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► in an industry where all the mobile [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► stuff is always up in the air and always [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► crazy and everything is constantly in [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► data at best we get to like a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► point-to-point three-point release on [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► things before we get the next new [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► version it's a total mess again at least [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► the mac should be stable [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► it should be the rock it should not be [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► getting careless updates or careless [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► actions and it should not be [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► short-staffed i don't know i think that [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you've been a driver i don't consider [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► that a big deal because like I think of [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► how long this mechanism has existed [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► think of how many times they've messed [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► it up like this is the only time i can [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► think of that they've messed it up and [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► it's existed for a long time and it was [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► fixed very easily it is very simple like [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that so I i totally give them a pass and [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► i'm reminded of like you don't know you [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► guys remember the mac OS 754 person [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► system 754 sorry it was not mac OS 754 i [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► blame the internet for that that they [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► had basically two versions of like that [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► they that they reach golden master back [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► in the days when I actually meant [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► something because they would print [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► floppy disks and stuff and then they had [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► to stop and our no actually we made a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► mistake and here's the new version but [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► some of the old version about out so it [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► for a certain period of time there are [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► multiple official binaries of system 7.5 [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► points for and floppy disks floating [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► around or you couldn't be sure exactly [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► which one you have is they all just 7.5 [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► points for and they didn't have build [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► number is visible to users at times [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► stuff like that happens it's not a big [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► deal the mac app store certificate [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► signing thing I think that is emblematic [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► of like well this is supposed to be a [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► major feature and you have the iOS App [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► Store and it's the type of thing that is [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► really complicated and hard to get right [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► and requires forethought and care and [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► like it's not so simple as like oops [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► well just we'll just wait you know and [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► another song update will fix this lots [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► of people were left in situations where [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► their apps wouldn't launch a little [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► something that I think shows a lack of [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► investment in the mac of like not not [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► being prepared for that eventuality was [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► like give you can make something like [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► that happen on the iphone and for the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► same period of time the same percentage [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► of iphone users what app icons and their [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► phones and nothing was launched that [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► would be just a disaster of epic [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► proportions I mean and some degrees like [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► well the iphone sells more that's why [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► can't more attention or whatever but yet [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► we all think that should be a little bit [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► more care on the mac and the disk [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► utility one disk utility is the least of [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► disk systems problems i think it did it [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► did need a GUI refresh this gooey [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► refresh is not a great GUI refresh but i [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► don't think anyone would care that much [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► if it wasn't for the two things I Marco [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► mention removing features which is like [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► i was using that like you know you [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► haven't replaced it with anything [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► there's no promise of being replaced or [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► anything the old thing worked [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► why is it gone with no explanation for [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► removing features is bad and then having [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► I actually like the shots but someone [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► linked to something uh I think it's a md [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► sy again linking to the the story in [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► case we're just talking about about the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► typo but just saying like SuperDuper [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► leverage some of the same command line [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► utilities and frameworks that are [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► underneath disk utility and SuperDuper [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► has a mode where it will clone your [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► drive it and you can tell erase the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► destination drive first and then clone [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► onto it and he was getting like out of [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► disk space warning is because the the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► system code that erases the volume would [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► tell SuperDuper yep totally just erase [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► that volume for you it's totally erased [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► go ahead and fill it and SuperDuper go [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► to try to fill it and eventually fill [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► the disciplines of the disk was in a [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► race like that the underlying disk [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► utility functionality of please erase [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► this volume for me would report success [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► but have actually failed and that type [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► of failure is like forget about [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► cosmetics but you know it's like missing [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► features and features that work worse [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► basic features like please erase this [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► volume for me that's that's kind of [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► untenable [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► so that's that's why I think this [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► utility updated is bad not because the [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► GUI is weird and they kind of [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► no the windows aren't resizable and it's [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► hard to see the messages or whatever [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► like it did need a GUI refresh feel free [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► to do that anytime you want but when the [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► underlying functionalities either remove [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► it doesn't work right that's a that's a [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► real bummer [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► yeah like if you know this was not a [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► utility that was very customer-facing [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► again this is like a really technical [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► utility that only geeks really ever used [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► if you can if you don't have the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► resources or if you're not willing to [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► devote the resources to do it right then [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► just leave it be for another release [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► because no one is pressuring you to [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► redesign something like that that [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► already works and if if the best you can [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► do is to replace it with a version that [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► doesn't work as well then don't do that [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► don't do that redesign like why it it's [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► like you know just like with discovery d [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► like yeah you read on this whole this [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► whole thing you wrote this whole this [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► whole thing but the new one works worse [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► and eventually they came around to the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► right decision which was ok we'll go [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► back to the old one with disk utility I [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► feel like they should do the same things [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► like either fix the new one in which i [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► think is probably a big job and it seems [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to probably not have a lot of resources [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► devoted to it that i'm guessing that [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► wasn't that was one of those drive-by [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► updates or just put the open back [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► because it was fine it didn't not work [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► like it was fine it just was a little [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► bit ugly but who cares its utility you [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► gotta think the bike I mean so there's [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► the GUI part of it which like is not [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► most the application and then there's [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► think the underlying frameworks and [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► command line utilities and the fact that [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► some of those either disappeared or stop [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► working like those must have changed you [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► know it's not just that they butter [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► baguley on top of which is fine for back [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the old GUI like there must have been [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► underlying changes to the parts of the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► system the deal with disks all those [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► frameworks and you know like the other [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► command line utilities or whatever so it [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► might not be just as simple as putting [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► the old version of the disk utility [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► application it's it's a like many things [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► apple makes its a series of frameworks [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► and there's a GUI friend and his command [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► line from then and you know the big egos [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► always down through the system and why [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► they got rid of those features maybe [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► just trying to reduce the surface area [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► of bugs like they got rid of like [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► software raid or something and I don't [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► think it's uh you know a bad idea to say [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► so few of our [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► customers use this supporting it is [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► really difficult it should go away it's [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► not going to be supported from now on [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► like it's disappointing to people but if [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► you can do that in a good way and [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► basically i would say give everyone a [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► warning tell them softer rate is going [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► away give them alternatives instead of [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► just let you wake up and you're like oh [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► new version basically wait where's that [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► come and go like it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► sort of communicated out in any way or [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► there wasn't like one year where every [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► time you select software raid would tell [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► us already will be unsupported in the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► next version you should stop you know [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► what you mean like this is good and bad [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► transitions but then having the thing [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► that says that erases discs failed to [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► erase the disk it but report success [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► that's just this is bad and I don't know [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► what the fixed that is I i like to [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► imagine of course that they re doing [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this because they're ripping out all [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► this stuff the anticipation of the new [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► file system that's going to come 2017 [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► oh but who knows if that's even related [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► so anyway I'm like they'd read activity [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► monitor a couple years ago too i think [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► all those applications that's it like in [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► the utilities folder they should get [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► updates like every five years or so like [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► they should have googly goo refreshes or [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► whatever but like Marco said there's no [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► rush no time to do with this year wait [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► till next year it's not like people are [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► like oh i was gonna upgrade to the new [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► OS but they didn't upgrade activity [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► monitor this year no one cares that's [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► yeah i would rather have just the old [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► one that still works than a new one that [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► doesn't yeah and it is to the credit for [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the role of people do they gonna want to [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► follow some stuff like or storage and [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► everything and all the stuff that [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► enables like the new version filevault i [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► don't know how many years that was in [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► gestation but when it came like it [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► worked like the new version of final [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► like was let you know the old version [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► was terrifying and hits home runs and [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► markets gravy and the new version sadly [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► have the same name but it's like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► everyone who tried it's like you do it [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► and it just works right and they had to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► do so much plumbing changes to make that [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► happen about you know all of course [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► origin all that stuff like that's a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► significant change but they waited until [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► it was basically ready I mean it's not [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like there weren't bugs and I like they [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► didn't fix them and everything but like [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► it was clearly like production caliber [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► on the when it was released right and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► even though they improve the next year [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► next year next year after that like I [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► think it was everyone was shocked by how [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► much of a non-issue was your just [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► encrypted yeah I check the checkbox and [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► password now just be encrypted [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► I don't even notice it doesn't affect my [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► life it's like magic that's that's [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► that's the way things should be [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► that's the way the new file doesn't will [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► be in 2017 right guys honestly I'm a [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► little scared because I I question [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► whether today's apple with what they're [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► showing us by their actions here [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► can they deliver a really big really [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► important stable new generation of [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► something something that large like can [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► Apple deliver a new file system for the [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► mac today when it was without massive [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► bugs have been working on it for like 20 [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► years now right now it's gotta be so [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► good now but where those people you know [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► what they will howl in how many [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► directions are those resources being [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► pulled right now we don't know if [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► there's any resources we don't have the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► project we don't think that's true but [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► you know whatever whatever this is you [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► know if if there's a new file system [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► apple from five years ago might be able [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► to ship it and it might have worked but [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► I I really honestly I'm worried about [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► apple today about whether whether they [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► can do this kind of very large new [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► project on a platform on the mac on a [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► platform that they don't really seem to [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► be devoting substantial resources to [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► I think they're totally capable is just [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► a question of making the calm one to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► pull the trigger that's all comes down [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► is it ready go the go/no-go decision is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► it ready this year or is it not ready is [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► here you just make the right call on [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► that and it's like it's aight like the [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► whole the mac the whole mac is like disk [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► utility no one's in a big hurry like if [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► it's not ready don't ship it it's ready [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► ship it that's it because I totally the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► capabilities are all even restore start [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► even with people get pulled off to work [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► on the mystical car whatever they're [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► doing all that doesn't push your dates [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► back that's all that should happen [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► well except that what I think we see now [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► that that today's Apple would what would [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► much rather get a ship date then ship [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► something perfect i think you're taking [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► this way too far when it comes to the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► file second system example because the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► file system is one of the basis of the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► entire Mac pyramid I mean if you screw [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► that up [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► that's a big damn deal and I think that [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► Apple smart enough to realize that if [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► they're really gonna pull pull the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► trigger on [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► a new file system if this is really [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► gonna happen kind of like what John was [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► saying minute ago [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► they're going to make sure that they are [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► ready and they are going to test this [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► knot out of that it's not the sort of [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► thing that you can just say we why not [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► you know and fire from the hip you let's [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► give it a shot let's see what happens [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► whenever they dress plus though [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► oh you guys don't you guys are gonna [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► tell you a little about what that was [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► like please please don't like sitting [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► around the fire kids yeah here we got [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► like grandpa tell you about the file [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► still so there was a you know there's FS [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► we're not gonna talk about that there's [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► HFS which was fine for a while and then [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► you know that was Michaels 8.1 i think [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► came out on that had a new file system [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► they're going hfs+ and if you had if you [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► are installing it on to an empty volume [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► you could format is hfs+ and install [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► your operating system and you'd be in [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► this brave new world right [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► they also had a feature this is my [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► recollection people can correct me if [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► i'm wrong i could be mixing up third [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► party stuff i'm pretty sure first party [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► had a feature where you could say I've [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► got an HFS disk and in those days like [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► this for tiny and they were always full [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► because they were tiny you could say i [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► want to upgrade to mac OS 8.1 and i [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► would also like you to change my volume [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► from HFS day to rest plus in place [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► change the format of the file system [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► without deleting my data to leave the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► data there but convert the thing from a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► tree festival address plus that sounds [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► like a bad idea that process as you [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► might imagine these were not days of [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► like a log structure file systems where [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► it's like right only file since you can [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► do this interview you can do is btrfs [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► and and lots of other things that [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► because of the way they're laid out in a [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► reasonably safe way but this was like a [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► literal like in place if you unplug your [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► computer in the middle of this or if [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► anything goes wrong [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► kiss your stuff goodbye hey and it was [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► terrifying with and we didn't have any [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► place that we couldn't do online backup [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► because for me anyway [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► most people do online right and didn't [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► have enough hard disk space to actually [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► make a real like no one had backup [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► because there was no way to backup like [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► I had one hard drive [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► alright had some multiple hard drives [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► they're all hope it's not like we're and [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► so it's been uphill both ways right and [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► so you want your choice like if you [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► wanted hfs+ and who didn't try to allow [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► to individual character filings and [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► you know anyway most of the good stuff [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► is also even exposed but the bottom line [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► is you could at least have a block size [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► that made it so you know a text file [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► with one bite and it didn't take up this [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► then obscene amount of space because [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► that was the problem of HFS is that as [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the volumes got bigger the blocks I had [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► to grow proportionally and so no matter [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► how small you made your file your your [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► minimum file size kept going up and up [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► to a size that we wouldn't care about [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► today i think it was like we were all [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► set this was like 4k for you know a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► single character fly like are born the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► fork and I was too big anyway the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► benefits weren't even all that great and [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► the risks were tremendous and if you [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► wanted to upgrade you had to either [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► erase your disk in which case you need [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► to have a backup or do this in place [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► back up and it was not it was [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► touch-and-go there for years and I mean [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► we provide here as much about it because [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► people are online as much back then and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► talking to each other about that all the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► problems that aren't hurting that but it [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► was really scary these days was gonna [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► say the case thing like all the sauces [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and they're going to make sure it's [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► super safe remember hfs+ runs on the [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► phone too [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► so you're pretty much guaranteed that if [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► they are replacing it with anything [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► it's gonna you know like that's that's [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► bet the company kind of stuff there's no [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► way in hell they replace hfs+ with [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► anything else on the phone if they were [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► in damn sure that it fulfilled the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► requirements of it so I have some faith [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that we will not see a file system until [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that happens to have faith that that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► means the file system will be out in [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► 2017 I don't know but like you know just [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► take your time get it right you know we [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► waited this long [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► right whatever our second sponsor this [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► week is a glue to glue software com / [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► ATP for the internet you will actually [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► like now if you work in a corporate [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► environment [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► Casey John you know how painful [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► internets can be and usually are the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► contents stay all the interfaces ugly [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► you can't really do much of it but on [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► your phone or have any access at all [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► igloo is an internet you will actually [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► like designed by people who have like [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► modern sensibilities and who recognized [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► that mobile exists and there are [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► different screen sizes and you need to [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► do things in browsers a lot of times and [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► you know what decent easy-to-use design [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► might actually be something you should [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► consider for your internet [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► all these things seem obvious to you [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► know people like us who live in the real [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► world but for some reason internets [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► usually black these things a glue [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► actually pays attention to what people [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► want and what is good in the universe [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► and they implemented on their internet [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► that for you you know for your benefit [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► for your company [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► this is an easy-to-use collaboration [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► tool can help you do your best work you [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► can share files a bit with your team you [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► can coordinate calendars you managed [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► apartment projects and more whether [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► you're a large enterprise stuck using [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► SharePoint or fast-growing business [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► overwhelmed by file-sharing Calendar [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► apps and that's that that sounds called [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the sharepoint sigh that's a think they [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► can run with that is a SharePoint site [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► but if you use a glue you will not have [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► the sharepoint side you would rejoice in [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► everything just working and being nice [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► which is something the internet users [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► have never had before so check it out [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► today go to a blue software.com / ATP [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► for a really really great secure nice [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► easy to use corporate internet and if [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► you have 10 or fewer people it's free [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► forever bigger teams you still get a [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► free trial so check it out today at a [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► blue software com / ATP start your free [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► trial thanks a lot to Italy for [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► sponsoring our show so John since you're [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► already a little bit fired up [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► tell me how it is you kind of just have [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► disk free blu rays how is that even [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► I i were in a topic next all right [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► before we jumped out of the chatroom [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► wants to process and that's another [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► story for the youngins that you guys are [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► probably hard to not do it quickly back [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► to the fire [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► yeah the other the other fun thing about [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► the HRSA 4s plus conversion and remember [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► this is still too probably not but I [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► remember I there was some recent [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► articles like it came up again on the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► modern internet like a couple years ago [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► so maybe you could find those blog posts [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► but anyway when it converted your disk [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► it would do this clever thing where it [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► would if this hfs+ disc with read by a [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► system that predates hfs+ rather than [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► saying this disc is unreadable would you [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► like to initialize as in like I have no [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► idea what the hell is disc is if the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► disk would appear to older discs as an [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► HSS could have like this little [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► miniature HFS disc volume entry in it in [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► the place where old in a place where i [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► pre hfs+ it would look for it and the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► only thing I disc was a little tiny [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► me file that explain what the hell hfs+ [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► is Mary all your crap went and it was [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► just like the ideal like cute little mac [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► thing where you wear instead of just you [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► know telling you everything is [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► initialized it and and you know telling [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► your disc is unreadable and scaring [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► people and tricking them into like [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► isolating the race but they don't know [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► what else to do your disk would mount [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and you like where the hell's all my [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► stuff and you can see this one little [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► text one little readme file sitting [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► there and you know what else can you do [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► there but like I guess I'll read this [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► file maybe I'll tell visit I think it [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► was tall called it was like it was [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► something about like where my files go [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► over please read me or whatever like it [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► was it was trying to help you say look [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► here and we'll tell you what that's [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► going on it would say all this has been [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► four hrs position new formatting your [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► boot into an old system blah blah blah [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► that was like that's that's the that's [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► the good stuff that's the good Apple Mac [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► way kind of whimsical kind of fun [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► technically super clever because they [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► control everything top from top to [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► bottom they can do this they can say [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► we're going to define a new volume [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► format but we're going to leave a spot [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► for this little funny little wrapper and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► I don't remember the rap when the rapper [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► went away or if it's still there it's [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► probably gone now but I i always like [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that and that is I think the example of [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► apple at its best [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► so tell me John how do you handle [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► blu-rays these days this topic this [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► topic I try to handle them [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► not at all so we've talked about our [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► blu-rays a little bit as in like you [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► know where did you get this movie to you [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► did you get an itunes how do you watch [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► movies or are different flex things [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► streaming things from netflix from HBO [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► Go all sorts of ways that we watch [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► television movies these days and I would [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► always try and a certain point of sale [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► I by the movies that I care about on [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► blu-ray because despite the fact that [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► blu-rays awful everybody knows blu-rays [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► awful for all the reasons that anyone [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► ever used a blue rhino's take million [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► years to load that you're waiting for [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► the menus too low to show you previews [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► that sometimes you can't skip you just [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► want to watch the movie that's a [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► spinning disk in there that probably [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► makes a noise or more noise than a [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► digital file anyway you have to this [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► kind of this case you gotta stick it [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► into a little you know like it's all [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► they still run java they are very often [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► they [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► look run java trying to download [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► something or you have compatibility [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► problems my favorite one is like I have [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► lots of fancy equipment that can in [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► theory play blu-rays and every once in a [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► while one of them will be like get me on [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► a menu screen where it won't let me [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► select the play button or well freeze on [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► a menu screen and it's just like this is [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► after you've SAT through previews are [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► trying to skip them to figure out which [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► button you have to hit to get past the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► previews and connive and tracking ID top [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► menu tonight pop-up-menu you know like [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► and you get through that and then the [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► menu freezes you can't play i love [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► blu-ray is like it's like you know it's [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► like this committee looked at the DVD [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► format and they're like you know what [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► this needs more prohibited user [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► operations software updates and java [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► software like a running running software [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► its yeah so it's its intent incredibly [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► misguided customer hospital format and [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► and really like you just want to watch [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► the movie right now that's all that's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► all you want you want the movie to start [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► playing now right so why do I keep [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► buying blu-rays I keep buying them [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► because it continues to be the highest [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► quality version of the above movie you [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► can get and I not always i care about [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► that a lot of movies especially kids [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► movies on i doing or whatever like you [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► know they're fine but for the movies I [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► really care about [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► I want the highest quality version that [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► i can buy with a regular consumer can [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► about and blu-rays that blu-ray discs [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► are huge you can get a blu-ray movie [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► that's like tens of gigabytes [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► yes they're still compresses like it's [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► on your breasts that but they're [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► compressed a higher bitrate with better [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► algorithms and like they are you know [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► they have someone have uncompressed [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► audio on them or you know multiple [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► higher resolution audio tracks and all [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► sorts of good things about us it is it [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► is the best copy of a movie you can get [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► so all the movies i care about I get on [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► blu-ray [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► so all the movies that I really really [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► you know appreciate then I and I have a [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► setup that can play them correctly in my [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► fancy TV and everything's good except of [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► course I hate blu-ray so what I'm always [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► looking for not like really actively but [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► just like be on the lookout for this is [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► the point where i can take my blu-rays [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► and get the bits off of them and put [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► them onto a hard drive somewhere and [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► then watch them from that hard drive now [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► all the menus are godless I'm just [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the movie all the stupid menus all the [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► FBI warnings all the Java applets all [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the previews is all that is gone they [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► are you confessing to a felony [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► I don't know and I just want the bits [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► off of the disk and then I want to be [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► able to play those bits and have it be [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► exactly the same as it would be if i put [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► the the the blu-ray into the dr except [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► without all the bad parts and I have all [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► these boxes connected to my television [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and I've got my pic synology down there [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► that's got a lot of room on it and like [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► i said i've not been actively seeking [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► this out but I figured a certain point [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► just from my normal churn of the various [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► boxes that are attached to my TV i will [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► probably eventually get to the point [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► where this is the thing that can happen [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and i thought i might have been at that [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► point because as we've discussed on past [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► shows i'm running plex on my new apple [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► TV and I finally got my plex library [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► kind of an order and you lots of things [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► have flex clients might even as the plex [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► client my television can read things [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► directly off the synology off the server [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► that it runs my apple TV box can do it [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► like I have so many different choices i [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► can i can run the server on off my [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► computer which by the way I don't [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► encourage people to do this and maybe [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it's not recommended but if you have an [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► ass you can mount your nest on your mac [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► and then run flex on your mac with the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► nass mounted where all your like your [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► video is that's exactly what i do right [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► but you can also have like synology has [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► applek server on it so i have a place [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► server on mine ass and I have another [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► black server on my mac both of which are [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► pointing to the exact same video files [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► and the more or less stay in sync with [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► each other like they don't fight each [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► other and everything and so why would [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you do that why would you choose between [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► them well I don't like that the back on [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► all the time but if there's something [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► that needs some kind of heavy [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► transcoding to be able to play at all [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► the mac and handle it and and this [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► analogy might not be able to sew and [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► really just don't know I'm just playing [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► with things anyway so that's the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► situation and i figured i think i'm at [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► the point where i can do this now so i [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► bought myself like a fifty-dollar you [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► know blu-ray drive that's how cheap they [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► are these days for your computer you [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► know just like a little thing you put a [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► little radio mix up the USB get back her [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► I'm yep and then and then get you know [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► make MTV or some other program that [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► that you're going to ask to you know my [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► say I'm gonna rip my blu-rays but i'm [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► not really coding them i am not running [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► them through compression algorithms I [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► just want to bits off the disk exactly [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► as they are not changed in any possible [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► way right because isn't that exactly [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► what I'm what make him Cavey does yeah [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► that I think people have workflows we're [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► like it goes through this whole process [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► and actually rewrite that we talked to [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► Don melitón about how what is what is [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► for closers only [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► he's always reading coding all his [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► movies and I'm like so do you have the [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► original uncompressed thing somewhere [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► you just that's your input or do you do [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► you feed discs in forever I don't know [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► it does but anyway yeah make MKV will [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► let you select which tracks you want [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that thing and we'll just pull them off [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► exactly as that our bit for bit which is [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► exactly what I want [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► not for all my movies again like you [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► have most of the things like that don't [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► care that much about buying itunes are [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► watching netflix don't have to store [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► them at all but for the you know the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► handful of like my very very favorite [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► movies right and i did this seemed to go [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► ok like i just did it for like two or [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► three experimental movies often blue [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► right and that you know getting huge [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► like 20 or 30 gigabytes I can you know [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► you can around describes real fast if [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you take your you know movie library of [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► 300 movies and just do the math you will [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► see that you will take a lot of room [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► I was doing a couple of them i thought [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► was home free cuz i'm like great at the [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► bits off the disk [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► I've got a million places i can put [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► these bits that i can play them i can [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► put them on flex Emma and how to serve [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► my macbook complex answer my synology i [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► can put them on my synology haven't [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► served from DLNA server on my television [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► I can play them from my playstation 3 I [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► could play them from PlayStation 4 it [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► was hooked up to my collection but it's [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► not my could play them from my apple TV [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► i complaining from the television itself [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► like you know that ipod can play them [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► from the the wii u if I wanted to who [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► knows what they have value designs so [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► many options sound like surely one of [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► these will work to do what i want and [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► they almost do they're really close [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► really close but I had forgotten about [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► two things 1i had I mean I didn't really [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► forget about this but I figured [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► something i would have work I've [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► forgotten about 24 frames per second [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► cadence movies most movies that that we [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► know of a the the people like these days [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► are shot at 24 frames per second for a [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► variety of historical reasons and most [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► televisions for a different variety of [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► historical reasons most flat-screen [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► televisions [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► I show it a new frame i had some [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► multiple that 24 is not going to evenly [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► so they may be [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► yeah well then I six years these days [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► but like well aren't there a hundred and [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► twenty-one today this is that is 120 and [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► 240 and stuff like that right so if you [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► have on the television and you can get [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► 24 into it even though you're fine but [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► if you're like me and you have a plasma [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► television that doesn't have it doesn't [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► display at you know what does if you [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► have a device doesn't help putting [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► multiple 24 as usual but it's not so [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► much the television set [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► so the best example is the apple TV [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► which I believe output 60 Hertz which is [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► what all r max output at like 60 60 [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► refresh your screen each second right [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and if you've got 24 frames of video and [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► you're trying to put it out over a [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► connection that's going to show 60 [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► frames every second [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► the math doesn't work out for you there [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► so you have to you because you can't [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► show like so you have a frame number 14 [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► in order to frame number three you what [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► they end up doing is this your friend [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► number 13 x is your friend number 22 x [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► is your friend number 33 times and it's [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like 32 32 32 32 and that's not what you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► want because you showing your showing [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the frames and uneven number x is [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► supposed to be one frame for one [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► twenty-fourth of a second then the next [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► frame for one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► every frame should be shown for exactly [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the same amount of time but if you're if [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► you're sending 60 update the second you [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► just can't do that with 24 frames per [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► second right and it doesn't matter what [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► your television does if the output [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► devices like now very clever modern [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► televisions have a thing where they will [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► do they will do 322 cadence detection [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► well they will figure out seems like [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► this device is sending me like one frame [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► three times that never changes and the [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► next moment x me two times and that one [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► is the same for the two things and then [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it sends me the next frame three times [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► the next 12 I see what's going on there [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► and it fixes it for you it really [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► expands the frame rate and and displays [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► them because it has a refresh rate [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► that's a multiple 24 and you're fine and [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► then when you actually look at the [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► television it shows you train for [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► exactly the same amount of time every [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► frame comes on for one twenty-fourth of [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► a second [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► that's awesome i don't know TV for that [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► smart yeah I mine doesn't do that [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► because it's not a not that smart and be [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► like that process as you can imagine is [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► kind of like the detecting that and [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► handling it correctly is potentially [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► problematic so what you really want is [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► for the device that you're playing the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► movie on to say look I'm gonna send it [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► at [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► not a 24-second but at 24 frames per [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► second cadence so I'm gonna send you [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► some multiples 24 right whether i can't [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► do the math in my head for that is 96 [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► multiple or 120 or 240 or whatever yes [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► anyway I'm gonna send you some multiples [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► 24 and and then you television realize [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that i'm sending to you with this frame [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► rate and display television decide to [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► update exactly this thing so if i send [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► 96 hurts television pls display 96 hurts [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► and everyone's fine and so like frame [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► for number one is shown you know three [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► or four times every day that you all the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► frames field that's what it says 24 [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► frames like they don't mean that your [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► television is updating 24 times a second [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► look terrible for most television [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► technologies all they mean is the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► decadence is correct that the first [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► frame is gone for one twenty-fourth of a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► second exactly the second perimeter on [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► for one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► exactly that's what you want to happen [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► and when I put a blu-ray player in my [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► playstation 3 it does exactly that it [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► sends it out 24 frames per second cannes [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► my television realizes that the [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► PlayStation wants to talk to it that way [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► they negotiate over hdmi hdmi television [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► changes to be in exactly 24 frames per [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► second kids that is the only way you see [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► a blu-ray the way it's supposed to look [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► without what they call shudders shudders [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► but what they call it when you see the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► 32 32 32 times especially when they have [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► like a pan or some quick motion where it [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► seems herky-jerky because it because it [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► is your keys it's not smooth motion [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► they're not showing you train for one [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► twenty-fourth of a second i thought [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► surely I have some box they can take [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► this 24 homers second blu-rays show it [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► like that but it turns out for the most [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► part I don't the appletv won't do it [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► because the apple TV has a fixed refresh [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► rate and for whatever reason my [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► television does not detect that is [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► getting 32 and it can't reverse the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► process [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► I don't think there's anything i can do [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► on my appletv to convince it to output [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► at 96 or 48 or something like that [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the the last form entry i saw from some [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► apple person answering basically said [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► applications the apple TV you have no [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► power to affect that what's going out or [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► the hdmi cable like the refresh rate [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► they can't change that that's just it's [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► fixed and it's part of the OS it's [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► possible future OS update could change [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► to either let applications control that [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► or let that users control it with some [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► setting or something but right now [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► it doesn't and how do i know that my [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► television isn't correctly detecting the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► three two canes and fixing it for me [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► you can kind of tell by looking like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► scenes in movies and pans or whatever [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► but this is a much easier way to tell [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► there's a lot of little test movies that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► you can download that show for example a [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► white box marching across the screen and [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► for you know for the first frame the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► white boxes on the left and the next [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► frame the white boxes moved one unit [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► over the next time so you see 24 boxes [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► which light up one after the other [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► what each frame one of the boxes lit up [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► all you do is take your fancy market are [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► meant expensive camera and figure out [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► how to change the shutter speed to [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► exactly one second you play that movie [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► on your television you take a picture [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► your television with the shutter with [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► exposure time of one second then you [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► look at the picture if your if your [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► television is doing the right thing you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► see 24 grayish boxes that look exactly [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► the same brightness because every single [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► one of those squares on screen for [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► exactly one twenty-fourth of a second [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► one twenty-fourth of a second the same [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► exposure on the on your camera sensor so [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► that's what you should see if it's doing [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► it wrong [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► what you'll see is bright squared M [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► square bright squared M square bright [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► scared to square the bright ones were [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► the ones that were showing for three [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► frames and the demons are the ones that [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► were shown from two frames so just to be [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► a double extra sure I experiment [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► determined that yes no combination of [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► apple TV plus black course you did [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► will produce anything except for the one [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► I had like a clock dial to which also [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► made the hands go around the clock and [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► 24 not the clock but like a thing in 24 [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► increments and USC right-hand dark and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► bright and dark and it was such a pain [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► in the ass to figure out how to get my [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► camera to do exposure one second cause I [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► don't know any of like the terminology [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► and camera and I was like s shutter [TS]