The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I have not looked at the show notes by [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► the way so whatever we're talking about [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► going to be suppressed me your job you [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► try to use a ipad full-time so it's [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► basically all you today so it looks like [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► all right we're going boy we sure got a [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► lot of feedback about last week's [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► episode like a lot and this you know so [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► last week's episode we were especially [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► unusually critical of apple and in [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► particular their UI design it recently [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► especially things like the apple TV and [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► the Photos app we have so many responses [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► from that and they are split right down [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the middle [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► it was a very polarizing episode of [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► about half of the comments said I can't [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► believe you are still you're so negative [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► about Apple I'm getting so tired of this [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► i can I just can't listen anymore this [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► is I just can't take it anymore I can't [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► take the negativity and the other half [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► was I am so happy you guys are finally [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► saying all this stuff for that you are [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► drawing attention to this problem that i [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► also agree with or have or thank thank [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► goodness I'm so happy you you covered [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► this including people in apple but said [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► they were very happy that we covered it [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► so I don't know what to think about that [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► did you actually count them I've meant [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► to count them as well because i felt [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► like it was definitely was it was it was [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► not lopsided one way or the other but [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► I'm like you know you like your [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► perception of the feedback is different [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► like maybe I'm thinking am I weighing [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► the ones that agree with me too much or [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► am I weighing the ones that disagree [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► because they feel bad too much like [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► sighs you know I should just count them [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► but I of course i never got around to it [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► but I should go back and do that to say [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► visit my impression just based on feel [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► was that it was more slightly more [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► supporters than detractors but I you [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► know I could be wrong enough but anyway [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► it was definitely not a landslide in one [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► direction other and the end like it [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► wasn't so much the volume of the [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► feedback as each piece of feedback was [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► very emphatic about whatever their point [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► was you they really really loved it and [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► are like thank God for our that was a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► great episode or the best episode ever [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► or [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► ever or the exact opposite that was the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► worst ever i hate you all goodbye and [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah it's funny I didn't count either [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► but I'm but my conclusion was nearly [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► identical my conclusion was it was split [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► really close to 50 50 I would actually [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► say it was slightly more you guys need [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► to stop whining and slightly less oh [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► thank goodness somebody's saying it but [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► it was near as makes no difference to [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► 5050 and and I was I don't know is a [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► little bit sad to see so many people [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► upset about it but by and large I felt [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► like the feedback was certainly [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► polarizing like market said yeah I felt [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► better about even even though the people [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► who didn't like me you like it you like [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► it like it like this you know everyone's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► entitled to their opinion right but but [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► i really felt like a you know as we've [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► been talking about these various issues [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► related to apple that of all the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► episodes we've had that have touched on [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► these topics i thought it was fairly [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► constructive like that it wasn't just [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► complaining for the same plan that we [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► were trying to figure out like what is [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► you know describe the problem in detail [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► just like I did not like I don't like [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► good Apple TV it's bad like we had [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► reasons right and then and then trying [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► to dig and why those reasons there what [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► could they do differently like specific [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► and constructive right and and without [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► any sort of their four apples doom stuff [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and I can you know so i guess for some [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► people did the making it specifically [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► instructive doesn't matter as much as [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► like you know just taking too long and [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► her whatever anyway yeah you might try [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► to change anyone's mind about what they [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► do or don't want to hear in a podcast [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► but for my part at least that's what I'm [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► always aiming for is if you're going to [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► be talking about problems that you're [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► having try to do it in a constructive [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► try not to be mean-spirited not to get [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► carried away but to really get to the [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► heart of the matter and try to like [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► figure it out imagine that it was your [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► problem to solve how would you solve it [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► what is what is the way to fix this [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that's what that's what I'm always [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► thinking yeah great so I'm hopefully [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► we'll have some happier show's over the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► next few but knowing us we'll see how [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► hurts and hopes but but speaking of [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► happy things [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► do we have any follow-up a couple items [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► here this last episode as part of our [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► critiquing the photos you I am [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► general trend on the mac of simplifying [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► mac applications one of the quotes i [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► threw out that i thought was I still [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► don't remember the designers now I [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► thought was the guy not the bang & [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► olufsen guy maybe daram maybe him [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► that's what I think you thought it was [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► yeah I thought it was some designer many [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► people point out to me after the show [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► that the quote i was calling about [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► simple as possible but not simpler was [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► not a designer of apparently it's [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► attributed to albert einstein and look [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► this up on Wikipedia or not we could be [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► there wikiquote sorry sorry and the [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► actual quote as is often the case the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► actual supposed quote that led to the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► thing I was quoting his much more [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► complicated and much more [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► albert einstein and I guess here is it [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► can scarcely be denied the supreme goal [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► of all theories to make the irreducible [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► basic elements as simple and as few as [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► possible without having to surrender the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► adequate representation of a single [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► datum of experience that does not roll [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► off the tongue like it's more possible [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► and no simply write this was brought [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► this is from on the method of [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► theoretical physics the herbert spencer [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► lecture delivered oxford intense 1933 [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► alright so that is a real thing that he [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► said that was recorded that sounds a lot [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► do you know if you if you simplify the [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► sense it is much like what i said and [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► then the quote investigator com story [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► talks about how the quote attributed [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► Einstein may have arisen from that and [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the variant is everything should be made [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► as simple as possible no simpler and so [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► on and so forth so we'll put all these [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► links in like all these kind of quotes [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that you've heard attributed to a [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► particular person it's hard to know [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► where they actually came from but the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► sentiment rings true with enough people [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► that this quote in this idea survives [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► despite it's a cloudy origins [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► alright so tell me about photos crop in [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► aspect behavior series so a lot of my [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► complaints were focusing on the photos [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► application which i use a lot in which I [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► still do like but their frustrations [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► with the Apple product design in with [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► using photos as an example and one of [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► one of my major complaint was about [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► dealing with the cropping photos and [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► reconstructing their aspect ratio and [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► stuff and couple people have some [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► suggestions to make that easier inside [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► the application one of them is the [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► keyboard shortcut which if you hold down [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► the shift key you can constrain the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► proportion to the original proportions [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► circuit with that is you have to hold [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► down the shift key before you begin the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► drag unlike a lot of other operations [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► and like graphics applications or you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► know that you may be familiar with where [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► you start save dragging a selection [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► outline and photoshop and if you hit the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► various modifiers to constrain it you [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► can switch those modifiers in the middle [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► of the drag with this you have to be [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► holding down shift before you begin the [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► dragon you begin a drag than nothing to [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► shift makes any difference so that's [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► going to know and there was a theory [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► that nobody offered in the feedback that [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► were totally expected to get and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► literally nobody sent a lot of people [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► selling various keyboard shortcuts but [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► nobody sent this idea and it is a reason [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► to try to explain why photos every time [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► you go to edit an image and the crop [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► thing you have to have the aspect menu [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and select original even though it's [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► what I want every single time you know [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► setting aside the keyboard shortcuts [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► why does it not remember that every time [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I go to crop I want the aspect to be the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► original right why is it just not [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► remember like the last thing I used or [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► have a preference or something you know [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► you don't even need a perfect setting [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► just basically when i change that pop-up [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► menu leave it that way until I change it [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► again and my theory if I had to have [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► someone explain that default aside from [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► them possibly just saying oh we never [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► got around to making that sticky would [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► be that if you remember the last setting [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► used in applications trying to be as [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► simple as fotos is someone go in there [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and for you know how to make a square [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► photo or something so they would you [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► know figured find the little aspect [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► things like Square and resize their [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► photo and crop it and be done and then [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► three days later come back and go to [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► crop a photo and just try dragging the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► little outline and have it all the Sun [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► snap to a square and they wouldn't [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► understand why is it why does it keep [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► snapping to ask where I don't want it to [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► be a square or you know or whatever [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► thing i wanted i want to do freeform [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► cropping here was and they won't [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► remember that like the settings don't [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► think it's broken or someone different [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► will come to the program and not realize [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► that it is remembering last thing so [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► resetting from zero every single time [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► gives what they think is the sensible [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► defaults for everybody which is [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► unconstrained which I don't know that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► sensible default but in theory you could [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► argue that by remembering the last thing [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► you picked is making the application [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► appear broken to future people who may [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► not know about the aspect menu or even [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► someone who picked it from the item last [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► time do I don't think that's a good [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► reason to do it an application like [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► photos because i think that is not as [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► common as like I think you'll be [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► gearing the application to novices too [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► much and that you should be realized [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► that everyone starts off as a novice but [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► if you use photos to your after year [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► after year eventually you will learn a [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► thing or two and become it's not an [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► expert at least proficient user and I [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► constant annoyance of having to pick [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► that are having to hold down the shift [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► here having to do whatever overwhelms [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► it's of my opinion is still the same but [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► if I had to make the counter argument [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► against my opinion try to explain the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► behavior of photos as it exists that's [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► one explanation and the other [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► explanation a lot of people get which i [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► think is not an explanation all i think [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► is obvious but we should have pointed [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► out in the past so is that part of the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► simplification of these various mac [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► applications is to make them look and [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► work more like their iOS counterparts I [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► was counterparts obviously have to be [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► more simple necessarily because they [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► have to work on a phone screen in many [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► cases obviously you can't have giant [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► toolbar buttons you just have room for [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► anything you have to simplify right but [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► on the mac the whole point of that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► discussion wasn't on the macbook same [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► constraints don't hold so for the sake [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► of uniformity trying to say we just make [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it look and work the same in both things [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► then you just not treating the mac the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► way it should be treated it should be [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► the advantage of the mac platform should [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► be realized in the applications that run [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► them they should it shouldn't be [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► constrained to the lowest common [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► denominator is defined by phone or [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► whatever but also like you know just in [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► the same way that like it was the best [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► thing for the phone and for the ipad to [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► not just have mac OS like shoved onto [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► them and and just pour it onto them [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► straight in that same way having iOS [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► things just shuts down to the mac is not [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► appropriate for the mac and we can look [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► at the last you know what five years of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Western releases like basically since [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► lion as they have attempted to to shove [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► iOS things onto the mac and most of the [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► time it really flops it or it's just bad [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► I or at best mediocre there's a whole [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► bunch of like the iOS application of [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► magnitude been tempted and it just it [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► just lands flat it just doesn't doesn't [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► feel right on the Mac just in the same [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► way that the mac you I wouldn't feel [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► right on the phone that I think the [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► worst one is where they they decided [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► they have to have down like maybe not [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► down to the pixel but basically the same [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► glyphs the same icons the same sort of [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► menus like when I see a mac application [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► with like basically in ios7 style button [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► that is really just plain text like that [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► language doesn't [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► doesn't fit in the back because the rest [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► of the Mac isn't like that most Matt [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Capps and i like that on the mac buttons [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► have little outlines and stuff they look [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► like little capsules blah blah you know [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► there is a design language for the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► controls and experience on the market is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► different from the phone and so on an [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► application lands on the mac setting [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► aside the functionality and how many [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► things are hidden away or if it's [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► designed her phone screen they'll just [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► change the surface part of it to look [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► when act weird and it doesn't fit in and [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► so the photo suffers from all that it's [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► massively simplified lots of stuff is [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► hidden many things are constrained like [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► a little pop-up thing with the sharing [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► that we talked about this just way too [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► small for no reason that the icons or [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► sometimes identical to the ones on the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► phone and I think they're trying to make [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► a family resemblance but they haven't [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► the there has never been in ios7 style [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► revolution in the mac you I Yosemite was [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► as close as they came with flat and [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► stuff out and took away a lot of the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► gloss and everything but it is by no [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► means like iOS 7 was on the phone and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► the ipad where it radically changed the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► the look and feel and the way you design [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► applications right before we get our [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► photos one last item is a lot of people [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► suggested keyboard shortcuts i know a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► lot of these I looked him up and help [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► someone so forth [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► one of the issues that I've complained [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► about the past that I should have [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► emphasized last time as well is that [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► photos likes to ignore my keystrokes not [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► all of them most of the time the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► keystrokes land but if I had a penny for [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► every time I hit the spacebar nothing [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► happened in photos i would have be able [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► to buy a nice meal because it like and [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► so the same thing for like rotating or [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► you know hitting enter to edit or you [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► know command keys usually have a higher [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► percentage like man harder to rotate [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► bird seed crop and stuff like that but I [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► don't know where those keystrokes go [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► I know if there's a responder chain [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► thing falling down and it's not like [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► it's just like super mightily delayed [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► and I get impatient and hit again [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► sometimes I will just say you know what [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► I'm not going to do it again maybe did [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► register just wait and Eleni after 10 [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► seconds you like note that space bar [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► just went into the ether so yeah [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► keyboard shortcuts are not personally [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► not a solution for most people using the [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► application because most people never [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► going to memorize those keyboard [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► shortcuts but even for me know some of [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► them the keyboard shortcuts become [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► unreliable as well every time i get i do [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► you know a drop aspect original with the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► mouse cursor it works every time [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► it's just tedious that's why I end up [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► doing repeatedly rather [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► the temperature of the keystrokes if i [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► do the keystrokes and wait for a [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► three-count another happens then I end [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► up going to the mouse anyway right [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► somebody has sent to us and I've [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► apologized because I don't know who sent [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► this in [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► but somebody sent us a bluetooth [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► headphone dongle concept which was done [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► by sean nelson this is on partly Sean [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► dot-com and I'm glad that one of you put [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► this in the show notes because I meant [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► to and I completely forgot this is [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► actually a really interesting idea so [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the the general premise here is hey if [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the iphone 7 really does give up the the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► headphone jack [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► then what would Apple do to kind of [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► bridge the gap between the the phone not [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► having a headphone jack and all of us [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► having these for these headphones that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► are probably not bluetooth and so this [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► shawn nelson person did a prototype a [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► concept of hey here's how Apple could [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► fix us what it is is a circular park [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► that has a headphone port like you would [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► find on the iphone success on one side a [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► lightning port on the other for charging [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and it will convert any headphones into [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones it doesn't appear [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► to have any buttons as far as i can tell [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► it does have a little clip on it so you [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► can clip it to your clothes [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► this is a really really clever idea and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► I really think that this is a pretty [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► good way to bridge that gap but what did [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► you guys think about it so it's [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► interesting that it takes the idea take [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► the approach of you know putting it on [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the phone end of the cable and basically [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► you plug your headphones into this and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► they still have their flow cables as we [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► discussed as I brought up a couple weeks [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► you can't really put on the headphone [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► end of the cable because there really is [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► no standard size or shape cable that [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► would fit a large number of headphones [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► that would go on that end because they [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► all have just these different shape [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► plastic surround and everything so [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► anyway it is smart to put it on that [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► into the cable I will also say that [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► these devices already exists you can you [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► can go on Amazon you can get things [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► because not that would be small [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► unattractive and would have apple logos [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► on it or we charge by lightning [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► those are those will be new here but you [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► can get these things already like you [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► can go and get him for probably 30 bucks [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► you can you can get devices that [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► left any end of any audio setup to and [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► from bluetooth they're very common and [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► some of them even work so it it's not it [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► is a weekend we can try this today we [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► can see we're already what this is like [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► today as long as you don't need to [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► charge by lightning [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► it is a good idea for the most part [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► however first of all having a cable that [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► dangles into your clothing but that [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► doesn't look into your phone like its it [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► kind of seems like another really worth [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► having that cable it seems kind of [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► clunky but i don't know i mean i-i [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► suppose it's better than having to buy [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► all new headphones but I don't know it [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► seems like a lot of complexity to solve [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► this problem if you're going to have a [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► wire that goes down into your clothing [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► and comes out of your headphones [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► why not just have a a wiring adapter [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► that can plug directly into the alleged [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► lightning port that is headphone [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► compatible of the alleged new headphone [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► jack atlas iphone 7 you covered all the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► ones i was gonna make which is that [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► these things exist already and that it's [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► weird to have a wire where you put the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► wire like especially if you have your [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► phone in your pocket and then this wire [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► with a dongle is also in your pocket [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► there like right you have this wire to [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► nothing right you have to put it [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► somewhere and you know you're gonna have [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► a dining hanging from your swinging back [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► and forth as you walk so you'll probably [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► stick it in the pocket but the reason I [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► can think of why I Apple might find a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► solution attractive is that the wired [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► after keeping a one-way one-way is that [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► if the passive lightning to headphone [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► adapter that we've been surmising might [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► be possible is not possible then this is [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► probably better than trying to make an [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► adapter with a chip in it like try to [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► make an appt reactive adapter it's more [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► a polite than trying to make an active [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► adapter probably but even if the passive [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► thing does work the passive thing I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► don't know if you can sell the passive [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► thing for thirty bucks maybe Apple can't [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► but what is Apple can sell this for [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► money that this little battery bluetooth [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► container thing it's what Apple is good [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► at making very small simple things that [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► don't really have like an on/off switch [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► or any complicated you know but inside [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► are very very precise and it uses all [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► their expertise in terms of making very [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► small chips and batteries and all that [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► good stuff and they can sell to you for [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and it does seem like a little more [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► elegant solution because then your your [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► phone could be in one pocket this [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► community out there and they're not [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► connected to each other [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► I can see them selling it as a more [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► advanced version of a wiring adapter so [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and this design looks like every time [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► you see like a prototype of looks like [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the little watch it after basically a [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► little circular thing we can have a logo [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► on it a little think they'll put a giant [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► Apple look like that on it but who knows [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► it looks like an apple product looks [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► like an apple product they could sell as [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► ridiculous as it may be especially like [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► put a clip on the back of it like this [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► guy's got a clip to his pants waist band [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► or something that is not a good look [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► well i don't know i think it means it [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► any worse than clipping an ipod shuffle [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► on anyway [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► yes it looks plausible to me as an apple [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► project i think they can sell it for [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► more money so especially if they can't [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► do a passive adapter i think this is a [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► reasonable option the battle might want [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► to consider and as you pointed out if [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► apple doesn't do it is a million third [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► party ones that are already making it [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► they're going to be excited by an iphone [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► with no headphone jacks right now we [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► have a new audience to advertise to hey [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► just get one of those new phones by our [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► little square dongle we've been selling [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► for five years yet another thing you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► gotta charge and spend 30 books and now [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► charges through the charges through [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► lighting [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► yeah I don't know it's that it seems [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► like this is too clunky of a solution [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► like I I feel like Apple solutions are [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► going to be either by new headphones or [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► use this passive wire adapter and you're [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► sure that the path of our adapter is [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► going to be possible [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► no I mean but if that rumor so it was [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► true that they were going to have this [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► thing it's already possible today if you [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► put some smarts in the adapter you can [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► do it on today's lightning port with [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► some circuitry and some smarts there so [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► we already know such thing as possible [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► it would be better if it could be [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► passive and if the phone could sense it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► through a new revision of the port and i [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► agree but i'm just i'm not sure i'm not [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► sure how Apple would prioritize that [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► like it's really important to make sure [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► we can have passive adapters or just [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► going to say you know just deal with it [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► and getting headphones everybody get new [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► headphones in three years you don't care [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► yes so when we go in tailgate which [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► we've spoken about on the show in the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► past I have a TK boom box which is [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► actually the model for this [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► speaker thing and it doesn't have any [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► bluetooth support on it and so years ago [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► i got this absolutely terrible like $13 [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► blue to AGP tech bluetooth adapter i'll [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► put a link in the show notes even though [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► i don't think it's available anymore [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► it is a total piece of crap but it works [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► perfectly and so it's like the build [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► quality is terrible it's very chancy [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► looking so think of like a USB key that [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► has a headphone jack on the outside of [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► it and no plugs into a USB on the other [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► side so what i do is i plug this into a [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► USB port that is on the speaker on this [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► TK boombox and this receives bluetooth [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► and then i plug the this little [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► headphone cable from this bluetooth to [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► RCA converter basically into the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► headphone cable goes from there to the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► boombox and suddenly this boom box that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► has no bluetooth support has bluetooth [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► supports this is the other direction [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► then what we're talking about but to [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► your point earlier Marco you can go [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► either way with this and it was $13 and [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► I mean it is a piece of crap that's been [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► working perfectly for three years so I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► guess is it really that crappy ask hall [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► but yeah it works well in and so you [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► you'd be surprised what you can do for [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► not a lot of money [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► it's like I was invisible fences for [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► your pets on this is invisible wire some [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► of the Prancing like like we're saying [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that like what's the point of having a [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► little wire with a dongle that you stick [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► in your pocket clip on your pants like [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► three inches away from your phone is [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► like there are still some advantages for [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that absurd scenario mostly is that like [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► when you want to take out your phone and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► do something there's not a wire attached [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► to it i mean i guess probably people are [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► you know we used to listening on wired [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► headphones are good at taking out their [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► phone to send a quick text or see [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► something or whatever without wrangling [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► the wire but it is i think i keep [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► thinking of it as a as a luxurious [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► features like that the fact that the two [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► are connected anymore they are now [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► connected with an invisible wire even [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► though there's a stupid real wire still [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► in play because again you're using your [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► old headphones and they don't support [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► this new phone it is still a slightly [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► more luxurious experience to be able to [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► take out your phone without a wire [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► attached [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► do it invisible wires are better than [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► wires in general manager you can get [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► other wires entirely which I'm apple [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► will surely sell your blues headphones [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► to do that but if you can't because you [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► want to use your old headphones for [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► whatever reason a dongle like this as [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► ridiculous as it seems i think it does [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► actually have offer some material [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► advantages to the point where i'm [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► thinking like maybe i would go is my big [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► problem is like when I'm walking from [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► the parking garage to work very often my [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► headphone cord gets caught him like a [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► door handle going through like the [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► garage doors are up in the stairwells at [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► work or whatever and ends up yanking the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► headphones either out of my ears are out [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► of my phone or both [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► I would like it if i could i mean [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► obviously my solutions just use [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones right yeah just use [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones yeah I i use [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► earbuds that I don't want to look like a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► girl with the big thing coming out of my [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► ear with that anyway they have smaller [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► things that you look get the sennheiser [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► and I'm 400ex it is really basic it's [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► like 750 bucks as their buds it's not [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► everybody know it's it's it's the it's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► the ones [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it's the new version I i use for my for [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► any kind of walking and often even [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► travel purposes i bring my the president [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► which is the sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► which is long since discontinued but the [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► 40mm 400ex is seemingly the exact same [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► thing but with a microphone and so you [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► can make phone calls on it and these [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► sound like complete garbage for music [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► purposes but for podcasts they're great [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► because they have actual hardware [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► buttons on the side so there is so [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► they're small they fold up they can fit [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► in any large jacket pocket and any bag [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► very very easily not a pants pocket too [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► big for that but there otherwise they're [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► great battery life is great they charge [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► for a microUSB you can get new batteries [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► for them if you want to like separate [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► batteries and it did they have these [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► amazingly useful buttons actual buttons [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► like not just like a capacitive touch [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► pad which is infuriating not some little [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► tiny switches you can operate them with [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► gloves on in the winter because the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► buttons are nice and big and they make [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► sense where they are [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► it's i listen to sai listen to these [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► exclusively when I'm when I'm walking [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► with my uncle always listen to podcast [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► some call it doesn't matter and they are [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► so much better than anything else I've [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► ever tried for for portable podcast [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► listening [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► I like my earbuds with my little clicker [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► on the wire that's another where the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► clicker go if I didn't have a wire like [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► I'm goes to the earcup I just know I [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► like to clear clear [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► going down where it is anyway the point [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► is i think i would actually find this [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► vaguely useful if it existed so much so [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that maybe i should just buy one of [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► those ones is already an amazon and give [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► it a try but maybe I'll just hold out to [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► see if Apple because one for twenty [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► bucks will have a bluetooth earbuds and [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► maybe that will solve my problems if [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► you'd like to not spend two hundred [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► dollars on a set up bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► my beloved Arctic PP 311 that I've had [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► for like four years are still going [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► strong i use them for music i use them [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► for podcast they will not make Marco [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► happy I'm sure from an audio files [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► perspective they are terrible but if you [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► don't have hyper-intense requirements if [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you're not mark warm and they're like 30 [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► bucks and might have been going strong [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► for years now that i think about it [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► bluetooth earbuds wouldn't help because [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► again wherever the clicker be I really [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► got new so I think the ipod shuffle [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► killed me that bottle water cup know [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► that my Chapel didn't is not your [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► company or bugs are ya use mine with the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► buttons are right there it's it's even [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► it's easier and more reliable than using [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the clicker headphones us too much i [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► can't i don't know i can't pull that off [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► but it is too much to have big giant [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► headphones on as big as you think [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► try the p3 11 when they also have the [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► buttons already 30 just saying anyway [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► point is this is this is this concept i [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► think it's not entirely really rude and [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► of apple doesn't make one maybe I'll buy [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► one and give it a try [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► hey we should talk about bagels [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► Squarespace responsible people [TS]

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00:26:02 ◼   ► although if you want to get down into [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the code and everything you can do that [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► they have both injectable CSS and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► JavaScript as well as a whole developer [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► platform if you want to go really deep [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► into it you get a free domain name if [TS]

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00:26:15 ◼   ► this is really a very powerful platform [TS]

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00:26:22 ◼   ► brands in the world trust with their [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► website hosting because they host [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► everything for you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► they support everything for you they [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► manage everything you don't have to [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► manage some installation of a CMS on [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► your own servers or anything like that [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► they manage it all for you [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► they have great support if you need it [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► there's people answering email all the [TS]

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00:26:51 ◼   ► get ten percent off your first purchase [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► Squarespace build a beautiful so I've [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► had a big week so far [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► yes so tell us about this what what [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► exactly happened in your own words Casey [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► described for the audience what happened [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► i'm so yeah so this past monday i [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► started a new job i took last week [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► almost entirely off i had a week of [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► self-directed funemployment i went into [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► my old job on monday for a few hours [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► spent the remainder of last week just [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► kind of relaxing and taking a break and [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► then on monday i started a new job as an [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► iOS developer which is completely scary [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► and completely awesome to recap in case [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► you're unfamiliar with my professional [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► exploits I had been working at a [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► consulting firm doing got that stuff for [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► between three and a half years and in [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► four years and I did like it but my [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► heart wasn't really in not anymore i [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► really do love c-sharp hand on heart i [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► love c-sharp I think csharp is great i [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► really do love visual studio I think [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► visual studio is great but everything [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► around hat i just couldn't care less [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► like it just didn't do anything for me [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► and when i was hired at this look at [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► this job i was told hey you know you're [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► gonna be our iOS guy and I was the iOS [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► guy which is good but the problem was we [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► only ever landed one bit of iOS work and [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► as when it's a consulting firm you don't [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► typically have the luxury of working on [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► what you want to work on you work on [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► what you're told to work on [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► and that means a client will tell the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► company we will give you money to work [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► on this thing and the company tells the [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► consultants you know to the company my [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► company tells us [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► ok it's time to work on this thing and [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it just so happened that the only time i [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► ever did and iOS app was several years [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► ago when I didn't ipad app and it was [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► for all the wrong reasons and executive [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► decided we should be in the app store [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► even though this we don't really have [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► anything useful to offer and so we built [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► an app to put in the app store anyway so [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► I had been I hadn't been unhappy [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► necessarily but I had been terribly [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► happy and I just was trying to figure [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► out you know what I do and it's hard [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► especially when you're consulting but [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► it's hard in general I mean I kinda know [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► how to write code for iOS UI I know [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► objective-c reasonably well for someone [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► who doesn't do it professionally I sort [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► of kind of ish no Swift hey so it's a [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► hard thing to sell any employer on [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► teaching you how to do this stuff on the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► job unless the employers for some reason [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► incentivized for you to learn this on [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the job so for example if if my [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► consulting firm had gotten a contract to [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► iOS work and suddenly my employer that [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► the consultancy will be hugely [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► incentivize for me to learn on the job [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► but it's pretty hard for them to sell me [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► as a supposed expert when I'm not really [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► an expert and typically when you're [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► going to a consulting firm you're [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► looking for experts so it wasn't it was [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► clear to me that was really a workout if [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► I really really really wanted to pivot [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► to iOS it was good work at the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► consulting firm and so a friend of mine [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► a mutual friend between mark and I [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► friend named Jamie he had just gone to a [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► local company here in town that their [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► bread and butter is not iOS but they [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► have their own iOS app that is part of [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► their product offering and he had been [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► saying hey you should come join me to [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► come join me to come join me and finally [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► I was like you know what I should come [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► join you and so I interviewed and I got [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► the job I was very plain about what I do [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► not know about iOS but what school was [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► great about my new gig is they [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► recognized [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► stay you seem like you're pretty darn [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► good engineer one of our engineers are [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► saying you're a pretty good engineer [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► sorry doctoring and so we have faith [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► that whatever you don't know you can [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► pick up so let's do this and I started [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► this past Monday and I'm really gotten [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► into too much code yet but so far so [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► good and it is blowing my mind that the [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► things that we talked about here and the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► things that I've been pumping into my [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► ears by way of Marcos other show and by [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► way of yellow corn tuition in by way of [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► mobile couch and in so many of these [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► other shows [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► suddenly this stuff that I've just long [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► to do [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► I'm now doing and its really really [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► exciting and I'm petrified because I'm [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► used to it also pretty darn good on a [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► developer not the best but pretty darn [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► good and I wasn't often scared by the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► things i was asked to do in my [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► day-to-day job and now i am not a pretty [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► darn good iOS developer i'm i'm at worst [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► a rocky and it best in intermediate [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► level iOS developer and so I'm reaching [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► on this and then that's really really [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► scary but i found that that's the best [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► way to force myself to learn is to go [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► straight into the deep end and just [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► learn how to swim so I'm excited I'm [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► excited just selfishly because this is [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► what I've been wanting to do for a long [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► time i'm excited for the show because i [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► think even though we don't get that deep [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► into the developer topics that often [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it'll be nice to have someone else who [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► does this sort of thing for a living [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► other the marco and I'm just excited to [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► learn something new because I've been [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► doing the same stuff for a long time and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► last really new thing i learned if you [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► don't count sum react that I was [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► dabbling with maybe a year ago was when [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► i taught myself node for for my blog and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► that was in 2014 so it's about time for [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► me to to get scared and learn something [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► new so i don't know if you guys have any [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► questions about that if not we can put [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► in the parking lot [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► don't have my first question David [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► parking lot [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I've not seen one yet I have not seen [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► yet but I'm sure it's there [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► anyway but if you have any questions I'm [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► happy to feel them otherwise we can just [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► move right along to talk about the tech [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► differences of like c-sharp vs [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► objective-c and you know the different [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► ID and all that stuff whatever but [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► setting that aside like getting back to [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► the doing consulting work versus doing a [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► product [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► no I think you covered this in your blog [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► post like the idea of the consulting [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► work is sometimes you get a crappy job [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► but the job ends and sometimes you get a [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► good job that job ends too but with [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► product work I imagine you know without [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► going into details of what kind of [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► product you're making your kind of [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► company you're working for [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► it's conceivable that you could get to [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► be in iOS developer dedicated to working [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► on a product that does nothing for you [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► the product is like dominoes developer [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► and i'm working on a product but I don't [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► care about this product at all i don't [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► have any passion for this product [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► I don't you know and the customers who [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► use this product not really into the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► product and then how could I do my job [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► never gonna really appreciate it because [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► it's like you know an industrial machine [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► control thing or something where it's [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► just not you know I mean and that case [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► you would be using new technology you'll [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► be learning things you could technically [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► be an iOS developer but i'm thinking [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► it's like imagine if like your worst [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► consulting gig just never end never [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► ended so is as part of your decision to [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► go to the specific company the idea that [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► would like would you care what the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► practice really like is it isn't just [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► better that it is a product that you can [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► like work on incremental make better [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► year over year over year even if it's [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► boring product or do you also kinda [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► needed to be a product that interests [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► you more than like you're at least [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► interesting consulting gig you know it's [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► a very fair question i think i have to [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► reach back just a half step and explain [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that I've been doing some flavor of [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► consulting since roughly 2006 it's been [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► about a decade now the first couple [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► years from 06 28 i was doing government [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► contracting which is not exactly [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► consulting i was working for a company [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► that had a product but the only [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► literally the only people that bought [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► that product was the US government so [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► really what ended up happening was the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► government said hey we want this new [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► feature and we said okay we'll do that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► and so is basically consulting after [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► that it was just a regular no no aster [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► risks honest business consultants and [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► from my weight on and i found that there [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► have definitely been some projects where [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the client was awesome and the project [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► was a lot of fun and eventually what [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► ends up happening is as you described [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► John the client either can stand on [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► their own two feet so to speak or they [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► feel like that that product is complete [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► enough for now and then they say alright [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► thanks for your time we'll see you later [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and that's a total bummer because here's [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► something that you really invested in [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the kind of consulting i was doing i [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► should also note is typically [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► project-based so it was myself in a [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► bunch of my co-workers at the consulting [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► firm would swoop in do a project and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► swooped out it and of course we would be [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► working alongside the client but the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► overwhelming majority of the work was [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► done by the people at my consulting firm [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► it's not like your individual [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► consultants who is just an individual [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► contributor it's and this is where the [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► staff of thing came in a couple months [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► back and so typically the project is [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► consulting you know you build this [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► project with you people with your [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► friends at work and then it's like okay [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► thanks and then you leave and that's a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► total bummer [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► and even though it's nice to know that [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► you have it that that each project is in [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► subject to some degree a ticking time [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► bomb because eventually it will go away [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► both the good and the bad [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► it's nice to think about I i really [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► wanted to try walking on the grass on [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the other side of the fence and I wanted [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► to see is is a product company really [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► what I wanted and really what I want and [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► let me give you a really weird the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► concrete example of why I wanted this so [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► i believe it's my first day it was my [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► first day that the new job and we [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► actually had this like all hands meeting [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► off site which was just pure completely [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► coincidental and so we were in a [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► different portion of richmond at this [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► all hands and then we needed to come [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► back to the office afterwards and we [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► were traveling from the All Hands i was [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► at a hotel to the office and I got stop [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► this Lite that typically will take two [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► or three cycles for me to get through [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► with this [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► particular time of day was around [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► lunchtime and this is right by a bunch [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► of other business right by a bunch of [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► businesses and a bunch of eateries so [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► everyone's going to or coming back from [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► lunch and as I'm sitting at this light [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► I'm thinking to myself oh my god this is [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► taking so long i got this taking so long [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► i have to make up this time because oh [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► god I'm sitting here for like 10 minutes [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and it's one thing if you set it alight [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► for like a minute you can just kind of [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► flubbed that and you know whatever a [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► client is going to care if you build [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► them for one minute where you weren't [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► actually doing work [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► this is like 10 minutes and i'm really I [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► can't build a client for this 10 minutes [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► and so I'm now I have to stay at work 10 [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► minutes later than I plant a wait wait [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► don't have a timesheet anymore but not [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► working for a client anymore [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► oh my god i don't have to give a shit [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► this takes an hour because i don't have [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► to answer to anyone anymore what not [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► literally of course we don't mean this [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► is magnificent and it's just stupid [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► I'm just kind of I was ready to take a [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► break from consulting and who knows [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► maybe in a year or two maybe I'll 1099 [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► and i'll just go in if you're not an [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► American basically i'll be an [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► independent consultant and maybe i'll go [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► back to a consulting firm who knows but [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► for right now all my god it was magical [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► not to have to stress about sitting in a [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► stupid light for 10 minutes and to come [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► back around to Jon's question a little [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► more concretely i'm really really amped [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► to work on a product period but i agree [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► with you John that if the product was [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► something like industrial control system [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► it was not likely to keep my attention [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► very long [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► now with that said I I don't intend to [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► share what my employer who my employer [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► is more what I'm working on [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► I don't know it's just I'd prefer to [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► keep that that world separate but i will [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► say that the particular thing that I'm [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► working on [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► although it is not for me it is for a [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► general audience and depending on what [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► lens you use to look at it I genuinely [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► think it's it's helping people and I [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► think that's pretty cool being able to [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► help people and make a difference in [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► people's lives a small difference but a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► difference in the last and so because of [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that I in granted i'm still in the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► honeymoon period but i'm very hopeful [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► that I'm really really going to enjoy [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► working on this and additionally the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► particular company i'm working for the [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► particular [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► iOS app that i'll be working on it isn't [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► it's okay but isn't great but the [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► important thing is the company knows [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► that it isn't great and they're looking [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► to fix it and so I'm getting in on the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► ground floor and being able to influence [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► some of those changes in so far as I can [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► help make architectural decisions you [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► know not as much like oh we should use [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► cocoapods vs I'm god what's the other [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► one I'm drawing a blank doesn't matter [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► who cares it does he have to go copepods [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► first Carthage i believe it is going to [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► be in charge of all the most boring [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► decisions on the software projects right [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► yeah well very exactly is gonna be our [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► file naming convention [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► whoa but you know what i mean like your [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► architectural decisions I can work with [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► my friend Jamie who is is pretty much [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► lead architect I could work with him and [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► we have a good rapport because we worked [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► together in the past and say hey I [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► really like this like that we should go [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► that direction or you know this just [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► doesn't feel right and and in some ways [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► being a little bit ignorant as to how [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► iOS development works is kind of an [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► advantage for these sorts of discussions [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► because i don't have that the background [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► knowledge to influence or perhaps taint [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► what I think about these decisions and [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► so I'm really really amped to work on [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► something and work on something for a [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► long time which is something which is [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► not what I've been doing for the last [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► nearly decade does that answer your [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► question or did I completely flubbed [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► yeah take care what I hadn't even [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► thought about the whole time she think [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► it shows how much consulting have done [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► none but yeah that's gotta be a big [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► upgrade and in lifestyle um I got I'm [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► feel I've done product work and some [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► fashion or another of my entire career [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and it for the most part is better even [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► I could even working on a product that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► you're not actually interested in the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► idea of the aforementioned and often [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► maligned industrial control software [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► that can be interesting to like [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► everything can be interesting i think [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► that the dark side of product work is [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► like like that both the best and the [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► worst thing that could ever happen to a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► project you're working on his agency [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► become very popular and very important [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► to the company and a huge moneymaker you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► think it's not all upside no because [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► that means the product will live for a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► long time and we'll have a lot of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► customers and any change to it is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► consequential and if you worked there [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► for five years you will it work you know [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► if you come five years after that [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► happened you will be inheriting a giant [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► possibly disgusting-looking codebase [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► that nevertheless be treated as the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► golden you know [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► yep child and can't be messed with and [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► if you were there from the beginning you [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► will have created five years worth of [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► paint yourself into a corner and making [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► dumb decisions that you come to regret [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► and now have this giant you know Jenga [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► style tower that's a it's teetering but [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► nevertheless the entire company is built [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► on and you're both responsible for [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► having made it this way back when you [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► were younger less-experienced you know [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► past he was always the worst enemy of [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► every programmer and you don't have the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► option to say well you know unless you [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► change a different company wanted a [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► different project now let's go to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► different products like no this product [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► of the company but uh that is what the [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► the joys and sorrows of product work but [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► you are far from that now especially if [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► you are if they have an app now they [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► know it's bad so you're kind of getting [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► to go in there and clean up just a try [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► to keep five years from now Casey in [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► mind when you're doing you're gonna get [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► the idea and where were like I said we [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► re architecting everything and were [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► trying to make intelligent decisions as [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► to how to do this so that it's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► sustainable so that it's testable which [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► i know is marcos favorite thing you know [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► unit testing my love you testing [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► I test all over my everything yeah [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► totally cover exalt my builders can just [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► stop [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► he's I think he's going to get testing [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► religion it's gonna be awesome [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► he's gonna be like you know what testing [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► is actually useful way to something like [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► I don't know what's gonna happen but it [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► could happen conceivably oh I i was love [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► if I already had testing know as a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► weight as a way to development like it [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► you know rather than you like you're [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► right lines of code you want to see [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► those lines go do the thing you wanted [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► to do like not entirely test-driven [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► development just getting enough of it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► into video doesn't matter if no one else [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► like it doesn't it doesn't even matter [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► it's just the way I write code from now [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► on it is i think everyone can benefit [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► from testing and I feel like you will [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► make that you'll turn that corner [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► eventually we're just waiting for it to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► happen give an infinite time everyone [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► could benefit from testing oh here we go [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► now you'll be dead that's what happens [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► with that but it's conceivable I could [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► say that could happen [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► oh yeah I don't think testing is a great [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► idea that I don't do [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► yeah I think that's probably fair [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► summary anything else on the a new job [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► any other questions are yes the other [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► thing that you should point out because [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► there was confusion about it and I [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► to bring up as another point is that a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► lot of people think like hey I left my [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► my job or I had that work in his big [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► corporation like a dilbert or wherever [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► and now i'm going indie but you're not [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you know don't quite know what indie [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► means of it in the market knows but in [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► these meetings because he's basically [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► been that for a very long time now but [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► India's means like you're gonna stop [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► working [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► well it depends it's kinda like indie [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► rock it's kinda get is sending them for [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► retired indie rocker independent movies [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► like the look of that term especially [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► independent movies like started to warp [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► as like small independent movies would [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► nevertheless be bankrolled by big [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► studios on a development but anyway the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► definition of indy for software is [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► basically that you write software for a [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► company that you own [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► it's been money to a little bit by the [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► fact that if all your paychecks come [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► with a signature that says Apple [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► incorporated at the bottom of it are you [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► really in d you still kinda handy [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► definition was like yeah even if every [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► one of your paychecks designed by Apple [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you're still indeed because you get [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► decide everything about the product you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► own the product you just are sort of [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► outsourcing your distribution and your [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► entire relationship with your customers [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► many other things to apple but you're [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► still in DC but the bottom line is that [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► and also what comes with it is like you [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► you run the show you make the decisions [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► and you're not running a hundred person [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► company like is you know are the heads [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► of all the omni group indie no not [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► really i've got a company we've got a [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► mac software company in iOS software [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► company that a lot of people work for [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► can you be ended with two people [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► probably two or three maybe you're [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► pushing it but the idea is that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► essentially you are your own boss or [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► something very close to it and so in [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► that case if you worked on a project for [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► a long time and you kind of got sick of [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► it even if it was selling well because [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you're indeed you could say you know i'm [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► going to something else now as long as [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the next thing you do also sells well as [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► long as you have some sort of transition [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► plan for supporting the other one or [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► maybe you sell it to somebody like [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► market loves to do [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► that's fine you can do that whereas if [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► you're in a company especially if you're [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► like a public company with shareholders [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► and everything is scaled up and people [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► care about you like well i tried [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► different product now this one is [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► perfectly fine its profitable but i'm [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► kinda bored of it that doesn't happen [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► so this is something that the group [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► called an arc along time ago the life [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► capital T capital L i think it was in [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► reference to bring Simmons from stopping [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► the newswire development [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► he probably sort of in the the post [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► Internet age sort of made the time when [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► Apple is on an upswing there was a [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► resurgent in the old ideas the ideas [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► exist for a long time but it was a [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► resurgent and the popularization of the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► idea thanks to the internet and blogs [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that if you're a computer programmer who [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► like the apple stuff you could make a [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► pretty good living for yourself by [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► writing programs that other people who [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► use apple stuff would buy from you and [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► they would give you money and you would [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► give them software and if you can get [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► enough of them to do that through the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► magic of software like it's not any [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► harder work for you to sell an [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► application 200 people versus a thousand [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► verses potentially a million because [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► it's our bits and you copy them and you [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► don't have to manufacture them and [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► there's no incremental cost him you know [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► all the wonderful things about software [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that you can do a certain amount of work [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► and the amount of work that you have to [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► do does not scale with a number of [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► customers you do the work and then if [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► ten people buy you the same amount of [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► work is it as if 20 or 30-year hundred [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and so people can make really good [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► livings selling software they were their [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► own boss [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► they got to do something good they [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► wanted to do they got immense [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► satisfaction of that and out of it and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it was you know that's the life he was [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► referring to iOS gave a different view [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► of that but at this point I think [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► everyone who's involved in this [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► ecosystem would agree that is slightly [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► harder to live the life it is slightly [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► harder to being independent software [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► developer who makes the they're living [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► doing that if only because the market is [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► so much more crowd we talked about this [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► maybe this podcast maybe the ones nobody [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► distant past of like if you're doing [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► something that is really fun and a lot [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► of other people want to do it because [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► it's fun [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► that's going to drive down the value of [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the thing you're doing a bunch of [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► students want to make an iOS application [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► for fun and give it away for free or [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► close to free and you say well but I've [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► got to feed my family I can't afford to [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► give away you know like like the value [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► of what you're doing is being driven [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► down because there are more people in [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► the market so it makes it harder for a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► regular person who wants a family [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► in healthcare and everything to be able [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► to make a living as an independent [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► software developers not getting to the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► point where it's like being a [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► professional athlete were so small now [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► can do it but it's getting more to the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► point where it's like a regular job [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► where it's not like if you're a decent [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► programmer and you find a market needs [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► not being met and you sell an [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► application you're good to go for 20 [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► years you can just keep selling and [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► revising an application for 20 years and [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you'll have a healthy lifestyle like [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► those days are past because the market [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► is just you know too crowded but my [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► question for Casey about his new job is [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► maybe you didn't think about that now [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► because you're like I don't know enough [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► about iOS development but my question is [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► does that still appeal to you as sort of [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the real polar opposite grass is greener [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► on the other side of the fence from [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► going from the consulting world-building [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► world where you have to go where they [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► tell you you have to track your hours [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► here you know different clients are your [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► masters at various times and the far [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► past its side is marcos life where you [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► call the shots you decide what you're [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► going to make and you build it your way [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► on your schedule in your time and find a [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► way to make that a viable living that [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► ever that this does that still ppl i try [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► to find a way to make it a viable living [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► it doesn't always work [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► I make things my way I call the shots [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► but then the market decides whether to [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► pay me or not yeah but like you have you [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► know if for the most part you've been [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► successful doing that like I said it's [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► not an easy thing to do like it's not [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► like you're going to know how many how [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► many people do you know who are still [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► living in the indie life of my question [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► four cases does that and I'm not [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► honestly I'm not even sure I am anymore [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► that's fine you don't ok I I know what [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► you mean but I think ab store economics [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► are such that it is very very hard to do [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► that anymore and and i think the number [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► of people doing that is probably [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► shrinking for sure but I'm not like you [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► know overcast is not making as much as [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► instapaper did and and the trend lines [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► for these things are generally downward [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► and overcast is making you know that the [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► number [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► overcast numbers are going up very [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► slowly now with batrix but it's making [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► still making less than what did before [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► the pic model which that was less than [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► 12 paper made so you know overall this [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► whole market is getting harder [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► yeah i think john your I understand what [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► ivy and there's there's a couple of [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► things to unpack here first of all I it [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► was easy for me to tell who didn't did [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► not read my entire blog post because [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► those who did read the blog post it was [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► abundantly obvious that i am still [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► working for the man it's just a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► different man [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► figuratively speaking of course but [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► those who didn't read the blog post or [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► perhaps only right above the fold were [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► like oh UND congratulations [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► what's that was kind of funny but to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► directly answer your question I [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► certainly have thought quite a bit about [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► going completely independent and to me [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that means one of two things it either [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► means what you described John and what [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► Marco is trying to endure succeeding at [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► doing i'll let you be the judge of that [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► I'm or it means i am consulting but not [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► as part of a consulting firm but instead [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► as an independent consultant and this is [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► if you're in the united states often for [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► just any nining there's many other ways [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► you can refer to it but that means as a [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► single person i am going and helping [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► with something and I am my own boss [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► I am my own sales person i am my own [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► employee i am everything soup to nuts [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and so what may happen if I wonder if i [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► were to make a guess I think one of a [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► couple things will happen either [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► I'll stay at my current job for quite a [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► long time or I will be here for a while [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► and so I really get to know iOS and then [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► maybe all try to split my time between a [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► handful of of clients and those clients [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► might be say Marco an underscore or [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► maybe somebody else entirely [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► or maybe all come up with that brilliant [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► idea to make that impossibly great [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► update too fast texter you know whatever [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► whatever comes after fast text but I [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► don't think today I'm in a position that [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► I would be comfortable being completely [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► independent as much as I think it would [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► be fun and as much as I'd love to try it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► I don't think I'm comfortable doing it [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► today I'm the only breadwinner for the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► family and granted I'm diversified a bit [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► insofar as i have podcast income as well [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► as regular income [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I really want to continue to have health [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► insurance that my employer helps me pay [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► for and the thing that I really want to [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► do like I said earlier I kind of know [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► how to do but i don't really know how to [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► do and the best way to learn how to [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► really do it is to just freakin do it [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► and it's much easier as i discussed [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► earlier to be a part of a product [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► company who knows what they're getting [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► into when they hired you and knows what [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► you are not capable of [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it's easier to to learn on that job then [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► it is to to try to position yourself as [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► a expert consultants but not really be [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► an expert in it so for now I'm really [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► happy with the move again i'm in the [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► honeymoon period you know there's [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► certainly bad parts to this company like [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► there are any company but so far all the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► bad parts seem super manageable and all [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► the good parts seem awesome so I'm [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► really enthusiastic they are you talking [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► about considering you know the whole [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► 1099 independent consulting only because [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► it is a thing that you know assume you [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► talked about c-sharp type consulting or [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► mine no no no i meant I meant what I [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► mean it could be sharp but I what I'm [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► saying like if you were to do it now you [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► like it would be very difficult for you [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► to be an iOS consultant person you don't [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► have a lot of relevant experience but [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► you could consult on the same exact [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► stuff that you were doing at the [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► previous company and to to me that's [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► like the worst of both worlds are you [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► doing you have to be consultant you have [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► to work at a tech that maybe you don't [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► like Arizona is interesting to you as as [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► iOS and you have to do everything [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► yourself and it's like like all the all [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the downsides of being independent but [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► none of the upsides of getting to decide [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► what you want to make you know man yep i [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► completely agree with you and plus i [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► don't think i'm a very very good [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► salesperson soho I don't think I would [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► be good at like you know pounding the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► pavement or whatever turns phrase you [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► want to use and trying to drum up work [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► for myself I mean I feel like you know I [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► could shill for myself on the podcast be [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► like hey guys if you want to see HR [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► person just let me know but I'd rather [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► not do that and it's just it's not that [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► those sorts of things that you just [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► described are not things that I'm [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► interested in and not things that I [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► think I'm good [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that and just like you said I don't the [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► things that I'm good at like C sharp and [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► that sort of thing I don't necessarily [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► want to keep doing so you're exactly [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► right to go completely independent today [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► I would probably be backed into the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► corner of doing all the things i don't [TS]