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00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm sorry everyone follow up so I feel [TS]

00:00:05 ◼ ► like we should start tonight's [TS]

00:00:06 ◼ ► programming with the tale of woe [TS]

00:00:09 ◼ ► i'll start by saying I bought a computer [TS]

00:00:13 ◼ ► oh I bought a 5k imac well okay so first [TS]

00:00:18 ◼ ► of all congratulations [TS]

00:00:20 ◼ ► well yeah maybe not so it's a hand on [TS]

00:00:22 ◼ ► heart John and Marco did not know that [TS]

00:00:24 ◼ ► this happened I've been keeping this a [TS]

00:00:26 ◼ ► secret from them so i could spring it to [TS]

00:00:27 ◼ ► spring it on the show I bought a 5k imac [TS]

00:00:30 ◼ ► is in your possession yet or did you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼ ► just order it [TS]

00:00:32 ◼ ► oh it's here it's in my trunk you done [TS]

00:00:36 ◼ ► packing yet although i did this is my [TS]

00:00:39 ◼ ► tail well does it fit in your trunk and [TS]

00:00:41 ◼ ► leave 3 series i'll stop it that's how i [TS]

00:00:44 ◼ ► have i bought this 5k imac I don't like [TS]

00:00:47 ◼ ► a week ago and i watched it march across [TS]

00:00:49 ◼ ► the United States be a fedex ground [TS]

00:00:51 ◼ ► which was infuriating [TS]

00:00:53 ◼ ► I mean I'd I did it to myself because i [TS]

00:00:55 ◼ ► didn't pay for like the super fast [TS]

00:00:56 ◼ ► shipping but it was so I'm not a patient [TS]

00:00:59 ◼ ► man and it was infuriating watching [TS]

00:01:00 ◼ ► march across the US but anyway it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼ ► arrived yesterday and I booted it i set [TS]

00:01:07 ◼ ► it up by moved files from making my [TS]

00:01:09 ◼ ► personal computer with my beloved yet [TS]

00:01:12 ◼ ► very old circuit 2011 hi-res antiglare [TS]

00:01:16 ◼ ► 15-inch macbook pro i moved files from [TS]

00:01:19 ◼ ► my work computer [TS]

00:01:20 ◼ ► my my retina macbook pro 15-inch retina [TS]

00:01:24 ◼ ► macbook pro I got everything set up i [TS]

00:01:28 ◼ ► put all the software i wanted on it at [TS]

00:01:30 ◼ ► least at a glance anyway everything [TS]

00:01:32 ◼ ► seemed ok i then performed a software [TS]

00:01:37 ◼ ► update i let the software update go i [TS]

00:01:40 ◼ ► walked away from computer i came back to [TS]

00:01:42 ◼ ► the computer it seemed like everything [TS]

00:01:44 ◼ ► had hung after like 20 minutes something [TS]

00:01:46 ◼ ► like that which was well under the are [TS]

00:01:48 ◼ ► well over the time it is estimated to [TS]

00:01:50 ◼ ► take the software update to run there's [TS]

00:01:52 ◼ ► nothing on the screen the backlight was [TS]

00:01:53 ◼ ► on the computer had not to my knowledge [TS]

00:01:55 ◼ ► rebooted everything was just there there [TS]

00:01:58 ◼ ► i should say nothing was there actually [TS]

00:02:00 ◼ ► so I powered the Machine off which to be [TS]

00:02:03 ◼ ► clear may have been the fatal mistake [TS]

00:02:05 ◼ ► we'll come back to that power the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼ ► machine off I've heard it back on [TS]

00:02:08 ◼ ► the chime sounds that's it back lights [TS]

00:02:13 ◼ ► on the time sounds nothing else [TS]

00:02:15 ◼ ► ok turn the computer back off after [TS]

00:02:19 ◼ ► having let it sit for a while [TS]

00:02:20 ◼ ► turn it back on the chime sounds and [TS]

00:02:24 ◼ ► that's it [TS]

00:02:26 ◼ ► hmm this is not good ok let's go through [TS]

00:02:30 ◼ ► the steps p.m. reset no good [TS]

00:02:32 ◼ ► smc reset no-good make a USB boot disk [TS]

00:02:36 ◼ ► no-good mesh down on the D key to try to [TS]

00:02:39 ◼ ► get the Diagnostics no good recovery no [TS]

00:02:41 ◼ ► good internet recovery no good [TS]

00:02:43 ◼ ► it's in the trunk i have a genius bar [TS]

00:02:45 ◼ ► appointment tomorrow although i may just [TS]

00:02:46 ◼ ► end up returning and buying a different [TS]

00:02:48 ◼ ► one because it's already completely host [TS]

00:02:50 ◼ ► i have no idea what I did it might have [TS]

00:02:51 ◼ ► been me [TS]

00:02:52 ◼ ► I'm not saying it wasn't me i'm not [TS]

00:02:53 ◼ ► looking for the internet to tell me what [TS]

00:02:55 ◼ ► it was with respect to the internet it [TS]

00:02:58 ◼ ► will be figured out tomorrow i have [TS]

00:03:01 ◼ ► engaged to X Apple geniuses i have [TS]

00:03:04 ◼ ► engaged a friend of the show [TS]

00:03:07 ◼ ► nobody could tell me it a good answers [TS]

00:03:09 ◼ ► to what I could do to resuscitate it i [TS]

00:03:12 ◼ ► think something just genuinely broke [TS]

00:03:14 ◼ ► during the problem where there any like [TS]

00:03:17 ◼ ► USB or other kind of devices connected [TS]

00:03:19 ◼ ► to it that you could have unplugged did [TS]

00:03:21 ◼ ► you try plugging them [TS]

00:03:22 ◼ ► oh yes so I had I had my microphone [TS]

00:03:25 ◼ ► installed because i was all smug and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼ ► happy because the way this but this [TS]

00:03:28 ◼ ► episode was supposed to go was I was [TS]

00:03:31 ◼ ► supposed to say to you guess what guys I [TS]

00:03:34 ◼ ► am now talking to you on my 5k imac the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼ ► way this episode is actually going is [TS]

00:03:40 ◼ ► guess what guys I actually have to [TS]

00:03:43 ◼ ► either return or get this thing repaired [TS]

00:03:46 ◼ ► tomorrow which is exactly what i'm going [TS]

00:03:48 ◼ ► to do i'm not sure what i'm going to do [TS]

00:03:49 ◼ ► yet i'm very sad i did try target disk [TS]

00:03:53 ◼ ► mode as somebody is asking the chat [TS]

00:03:55 ◼ ► target disk mode i have tried everything [TS]

00:03:57 ◼ ► in my repertoire and everything that 2x [TS]

00:04:00 ◼ ► geniuses and a friend that works at [TS]

00:04:03 ◼ ► apple has asked me to try [TS]

00:04:05 ◼ ► none of it has worked i'm very sad but i [TS]

00:04:08 ◼ ► will tell you in the two or three hours [TS]

00:04:09 ◼ ► that it was working it was a magnificent [TS]

00:04:12 ◼ ► computer and I cannot wait to hopefully [TS]

00:04:16 ◼ ► get one that works by medics we [TS]

00:04:19 ◼ ► yeah so I'm very sad it's a sad sad day [TS]

00:04:22 ◼ ► for me it's kinda like my grandfather [TS]

00:04:25 ◼ ► were complaining that modern cars [TS]

00:04:27 ◼ ► actually specifically i was modern car [TS]

00:04:30 ◼ ► engine Bay's don't have any place for [TS]

00:04:31 ◼ ► you to get your hands down in them you [TS]

00:04:33 ◼ ► know like is everything is all packed [TS]

00:04:35 ◼ ► together really tightly and then you [TS]

00:04:36 ◼ ► complain about the plastic shroud is [TS]

00:04:37 ◼ ► covering everything up and complaining [TS]

00:04:39 ◼ ► about how hard it is to replace things [TS]

00:04:40 ◼ ► like that are filters and they don't [TS]

00:04:41 ◼ ► have carburetors anyway but they related [TS]

00:04:44 ◼ ► complaint to your 5k imac is like back [TS]

00:04:47 ◼ ► in back in the days of my most feverish [TS]

00:04:50 ◼ ► trying to diagnose problems one of the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼ ► things that I would do in this situation [TS]

00:04:54 ◼ ► I almost adjusted until I realized it's [TS]

00:04:56 ◼ ► pointless is to try to figure out what [TS]

00:04:58 ◼ ► the hell's going on like hear the chime [TS]

00:05:00 ◼ ► it passes the post-test right and then [TS]

00:05:03 ◼ ► what happens like are you really cannot [TS]

00:05:05 ◼ ► find the discs are you getting into the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼ ► boot process and the way you usually [TS]

00:05:08 ◼ ► tell that is you could hear whether it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼ ► had started accessing the hard drive and [TS]

00:05:12 ◼ ► you knew by the series of ticks and [TS]

00:05:14 ◼ ► sounds is it is it looking for a boot [TS]

00:05:16 ◼ ► sector is it just power cycling discs on [TS]

00:05:19 ◼ ► and offers that actually beginning the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼ ► boot process which has a distinctive [TS]

00:05:22 ◼ ► sound to it or in the old days with the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼ ► floppy drive you could tell what the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼ ► computer was doing and at what point [TS]

00:05:26 ◼ ► things went wrong but with an SSD and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼ ► nothing on the screen and definitely no [TS]

00:05:31 ◼ ► indicator lights or anything like that [TS]

00:05:32 ◼ ► you know hardware indicator lights for [TS]

00:05:33 ◼ ► the pc folks [TS]

00:05:35 ◼ ► you have no idea what's going on it they [TS]

00:05:37 ◼ ► post so there's no image on the screen [TS]

00:05:39 ◼ ► has it begun the boot process cannot [TS]

00:05:42 ◼ ► find the hard drive [TS]

00:05:43 ◼ ► if you mean if we can find the harder [TS]

00:05:44 ◼ ► you have the the blinking ? like it but [TS]

00:05:47 ◼ ► it did pass posters i think that the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼ ► time only sounds after it does the whole [TS]

00:05:51 ◼ ► you know that the posters power-on [TS]

00:05:53 ◼ ► self-test like the whole you if you have [TS]

00:05:55 ◼ ► like bad ram or whatever you get one of [TS]

00:05:57 ◼ ► the the bad chimes or something like [TS]

00:05:59 ◼ ► that so right like almost all my whole [TS]

00:06:01 ◼ ► diagnostic tools are useless for these [TS]

00:06:03 ◼ ► computers that don't make any noise [TS]

00:06:04 ◼ ► except the stupid fan is the fan going [TS]

00:06:06 ◼ ► there we go we can ask that is passed [TS]

00:06:07 ◼ ► yes it was as far as like it does it [TS]

00:06:09 ◼ ► crank up the full speed if you let it [TS]

00:06:11 ◼ ► sit there [TS]

00:06:12 ◼ ► no it does not actually let it sit [TS]

00:06:13 ◼ ► overnight just to be extra specially [TS]

00:06:16 ◼ ► sure that that was that it wasn't just [TS]

00:06:17 ◼ ► me being impatient [TS]

00:06:19 ◼ ► did you spill water into it i did not [TS]

00:06:21 ◼ ► thank you for asking but i haven't read [TS]

00:06:23 ◼ ► this important to it to establish that [TS]

00:06:25 ◼ ► where I mean are there any openings the [TS]

00:06:27 ◼ ► face upwards there in the back means [TS]

00:06:29 ◼ ► that you can get water [TS]

00:06:30 ◼ ► there's always the bottom left behind my [TS]

00:06:34 ◼ ► god that's me that there are no openings [TS]

00:06:37 ◼ ► that face upwards i can find is not [TS]

00:06:38 ◼ ► doesn't like a slip on top part I don't [TS]

00:06:40 ◼ ► see why I didn't think so so yeah so [TS]

00:06:43 ◼ ► it's sitting in my trunk to be honest [TS]

00:06:44 ◼ ► with you I'll probably just return it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼ ► and probably just order a new one [TS]

00:06:47 ◼ ► because i feel like it's already tainted [TS]

00:06:48 ◼ ► I'm still hoping actually hoping you're [TS]

00:06:50 ◼ ► thinking you're suspecting like this is [TS]

00:06:52 ◼ ► actually a soft like it's not a hardware [TS]

00:06:53 ◼ ► problem is a software problem did you [TS]

00:06:55 ◼ ► know you said you tried a million things [TS]

00:06:57 ◼ ► the only other one that you didn't [TS]

00:06:58 ◼ ► mention that you think other ball two [TS]

00:07:00 ◼ ► things like that 1i assuming since you [TS]

00:07:01 ◼ ► and he started all these experts you [TS]

00:07:03 ◼ ► made sure that they all had the most [TS]

00:07:05 ◼ ► recent up-to-date knowledge about the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼ ► keys that you have to match because [TS]

00:07:08 ◼ ► those have changed over the past couple [TS]

00:07:10 ◼ ► of years and a lot of people might give [TS]

00:07:12 ◼ ► you advice to hold down key combinations [TS]

00:07:13 ◼ ► that are no longer the correct one to [TS]

00:07:15 ◼ ► the same operations but something that's [TS]

00:07:16 ◼ ► handled that one hurt didn't hear you [TS]

00:07:18 ◼ ► mentioned is Bruce Bruce are both [TS]

00:07:20 ◼ ► putting mode i believe its command V you [TS]

00:07:23 ◼ ► should look it up the one that spews you [TS]

00:07:25 ◼ ► know the unix console text to your [TS]

00:07:28 ◼ ► screen during the boot process sometimes [TS]

00:07:30 ◼ ► that's a good way to find out at one [TS]

00:07:31 ◼ ► point things go off the rails during the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼ ► boot process assuming the boot process [TS]

00:07:35 ◼ ► even began the I did not try that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼ ► however i did not mention that I also [TS]

00:07:39 ◼ ► phoned applecare at like they're not [TS]

00:07:42 ◼ ► going to help you [TS]

00:07:43 ◼ ► well my thought was let me give them a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼ ► shot see what they could figure out I [TS]

00:07:47 ◼ ► and i started the conversation slightly [TS]

00:07:50 ◼ ► well mildly passive-aggressively and i [TS]

00:07:52 ◼ ► said here's what i've tried p.m. recent [TS]

00:07:54 ◼ ► smc recent blah-blah-blah-blah-blah to [TS]

00:07:56 ◼ ► try to establish we really don't need to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼ ► go through all of this again if you [TS]

00:08:00 ◼ ► please have you tried blowing the dust [TS]

00:08:01 ◼ ► out of the plug but if the smc reset [TS]

00:08:06 ◼ ► apparently on the East max is to unplug [TS]

00:08:08 ◼ ► it wait 15 seconds and plug it back in [TS]

00:08:10 ◼ ► or something along those lines in any [TS]

00:08:12 ◼ ► case I tried everything you had a try i [TS]

00:08:16 ◼ ► tried everything that the applecare [TS]

00:08:18 ◼ ► person till told me to do so in all [TS]

00:08:21 ◼ ► likelihood i will just return it [TS]

00:08:22 ◼ ► tomorrow I've not you cancel my genius [TS]

00:08:24 ◼ ► to put appointment we will see what [TS]

00:08:25 ◼ ► happens i cannot stress enough internet [TS]

00:08:27 ◼ ► that by the time you hear this episode [TS]

00:08:30 ◼ ► if this will already be resolved one way [TS]

00:08:32 ◼ ► or another [TS]

00:08:33 ◼ ► well it'll be in the process of he's not [TS]

00:08:35 ◼ ► well it'll be in the process of being [TS]

00:08:36 ◼ ► resolved please internet I appreciate [TS]

00:08:39 ◼ ► your feedback but it is too late by the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼ ► time you've heard this he is the fast [TS]

00:08:43 ◼ ► bring for advisement if i order a new [TS]

00:08:46 ◼ ► one [TS]

00:08:47 ◼ ► I will absolutely spring for the fast [TS]

00:08:49 ◼ ► shipping because now i'm really really [TS]

00:08:51 ◼ ► sad that my literally i use the thing [TS]

00:08:53 ◼ ► let's see it was seven o'clock because [TS]

00:08:55 ◼ ► after Declan went to bed that I booted [TS]

00:08:57 ◼ ► it and started transferring everything [TS]

00:08:58 ◼ ► and at ten o'clock or thereabouts-- was [TS]

00:09:02 ◼ ► when i was calling applecare so i used [TS]

00:09:04 ◼ ► it for three hours [TS]

00:09:05 ◼ ► I feel so bad for you for this because [TS]

00:09:08 ◼ ► well in that let's not forget this is [TS]

00:09:10 ◼ ► the first desktop bought in easily a [TS]

00:09:12 ◼ ► decade yeah and we will definitely [TS]

00:09:13 ◼ ► interrogate you about why you chose to [TS]

00:09:15 ◼ ► do this and why you did it now and and [TS]

00:09:17 ◼ ► etcetera because i really want to know [TS]

00:09:18 ◼ ► all these things but first of all I do [TS]

00:09:20 ◼ ► want to express my sincere condolences [TS]

00:09:21 ◼ ► because like I i hate it like if you cut [TS]

00:09:24 ◼ ► it it's so puts a damper on like you [TS]

00:09:27 ◼ ► know a big purchase of a thing you're [TS]

00:09:29 ◼ ► really excited about that you hardly [TS]

00:09:31 ◼ ► ever get to buy and all the end like it [TS]

00:09:34 ◼ ► comes and it has some problem that you [TS]

00:09:35 ◼ ► have to deal with that sucks it puts [TS]

00:09:37 ◼ ► such a damper on the whole thing [TS]

00:09:38 ◼ ► yeah it really does and you know what I [TS]

00:09:40 ◼ ► thought about those so yesterday [TS]

00:09:41 ◼ ► obviously I was much more angry and [TS]

00:09:42 ◼ ► pissed off than I am now yet but [TS]

00:09:45 ◼ ► yesterday i was thinking about it and I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼ ► thought what if for the sake of [TS]

00:09:48 ◼ ► conversation [TS]

00:09:50 ◼ ► this was my very first mac like that's a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼ ► terrible experience now admittedly this [TS]

00:09:56 ◼ ► is this is definitely a fluke [TS]

00:09:58 ◼ ► this is this is weird this is not [TS]

00:10:01 ◼ ► something that normally happens to my [TS]

00:10:02 ◼ ► recollection in my eight years of owning [TS]

00:10:05 ◼ ► max I think that's ready to eat issues [TS]

00:10:07 ◼ ► of only max I have never had a software [TS]

00:10:09 ◼ ► update fail so I to be clear this is a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼ ► fluke it's just it's weird but damn if [TS]

00:10:16 ◼ ► it isn't frustrating and all my goodness [TS]

00:10:18 ◼ ► if I was if this was my first mac i [TS]

00:10:21 ◼ ► would go I would go running back to Del [TS]

00:10:24 ◼ ► now I'm not an idiot [TS]

00:10:26 ◼ ► so I'm not going to do that my crazy [TS]

00:10:28 ◼ ► here no i agree i agree but i'm just [TS]

00:10:30 ◼ ► saying like if this was imagine if your [TS]

00:10:32 ◼ ► first experience with this you know it [TS]

00:10:34 ◼ ► was like you know 32 3032 hundred-dollar [TS]

00:10:36 ◼ ► computer it imagine your first [TS]

00:10:38 ◼ ► experiences all it works for three hours [TS]

00:10:40 ◼ ► and then it's dead all of it it doesn't [TS]

00:10:42 ◼ ► really matter like that experience [TS]

00:10:44 ◼ ► doesn't really matter unless it must [TS]

00:10:46 ◼ ► some kind of epidemic which i'm assuming [TS]

00:10:47 ◼ ► it isn't right but I every every every [TS]

00:10:49 ◼ ► company has like the DOA things all that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼ ► matters is what happens after that's all [TS]

00:10:53 ◼ ► that that's what that's what you know i [TS]

00:10:54 ◼ ► mean like for dell the reason to [TS]

00:10:56 ◼ ► galleries a lot of people like [TS]

00:10:57 ◼ ► all in the enterprise anyway is that [TS]

00:11:00 ◼ ► when something happens when someone [TS]

00:11:02 ◼ ► drops a dell laptop on something breaks [TS]

00:11:03 ◼ ► or whatever you can have new hardware in [TS]

00:11:07 ◼ ► your hands in a shockingly small amount [TS]

00:11:09 ◼ ► of time and so it's not let you know [TS]

00:11:11 ◼ ► that things are gonna happen you're [TS]

00:11:12 ◼ ► gonna get out you gonna buy 50 dell [TS]

00:11:14 ◼ ► laptops and one of them is going to be [TS]

00:11:16 ◼ ► DOA that's not the thing that annoys you [TS]

00:11:18 ◼ ► would annoy you for example here we're [TS]

00:11:20 ◼ ► going to apple if you had to wait a week [TS]

00:11:22 ◼ ► to get the new one it doesn't know you [TS]

00:11:23 ◼ ► if the next morning when you come into [TS]

00:11:25 ◼ ► work somebody from dell is there with [TS]

00:11:26 ◼ ► the box and says give me your old one [TS]

00:11:27 ◼ ► here's your new one later and you're [TS]

00:11:29 ◼ ► like go [TS]

00:11:30 ◼ ► that was easy and so for apple like the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼ ► thing that counts is how good was your [TS]

00:11:34 ◼ ► applecare phone experience which in my [TS]

00:11:36 ◼ ► experience is not that great how when [TS]

00:11:38 ◼ ► you go to the Genius Bar how's that [TS]

00:11:40 ◼ ► experience going to be and how you know [TS]

00:11:43 ◼ ► how much faster they give you how [TS]

00:11:45 ◼ ► sympathetic are they this matters to how [TS]

00:11:46 ◼ ► sympathetic is the person to your [TS]

00:11:47 ◼ ► frustration about getting a do a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼ ► computer which is basically how its set [TS]

00:11:51 ◼ ► categorize this is assuming there's a [TS]

00:11:53 ◼ ► hardware thing it's not like the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼ ► software update brokers just you know [TS]

00:11:56 ◼ ► the hardware problem with this machine [TS]

00:11:57 ◼ ► which is DOA and it's best to find out [TS]

00:11:59 ◼ ► now right [TS]

00:12:00 ◼ ► it's all about how it's handled after [TS]

00:12:01 ◼ ► the fact that my 152 Apple stories about [TS]

00:12:04 ◼ ► this thing of that told the other one [TS]

00:12:06 ◼ ► I'm past broadcast when I got my ac30 [TS]

00:12:08 ◼ ► the power supply made a high pitch noise [TS]

00:12:10 ◼ ► that only people under thirty could hear [TS]

00:12:12 ◼ ► how do you remember this yeah and that [TS]

00:12:13 ◼ ► was my most disappointing one because [TS]

00:12:15 ◼ ► because I was a kid and when your kid or [TS]

00:12:19 ◼ ► like when your kid at heart like Casey [TS]

00:12:20 ◼ ► you get your hopes up this exciting new [TS]

00:12:22 ◼ ► shiny computer and it comes and you're [TS]

00:12:25 ◼ ► sad right so that was that was the most [TS]

00:12:27 ◼ ► crushing one and the other one which I [TS]

00:12:28 ◼ ► may have mentioned the passes when this [TS]

00:12:30 ◼ ► is the pizza box powerpc performer [TS]

00:12:33 ◼ ► actually performing 61 something CD got [TS]

00:12:38 ◼ ► that for Christmas and offers a family [TS]

00:12:42 ◼ ► computer but whatever it's mine and the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼ ► the terrible gross pc sourced 15-inch [TS]

00:12:49 ◼ ► multisync apple monitor that came with [TS]

00:12:52 ◼ ► it was DOA like the monitors didn't work [TS]

00:12:53 ◼ ► you plugged in and nothing happened no [TS]

00:12:55 ◼ ► lights came on the screen so i got that [TS]

00:12:57 ◼ ► Christmas Day and I was older so I [TS]

00:13:00 ◼ ► wasn't totally you know devastated i [TS]

00:13:02 ◼ ► didn't have any other monitors that [TS]

00:13:04 ◼ ► could fit because of the differences in [TS]

00:13:05 ◼ ► the connectors this was a multisync [TS]

00:13:07 ◼ ► monitors basically a pc monitor [TS]

00:13:09 ◼ ► connector with a slight difference in [TS]

00:13:10 ◼ ► any way [TS]

00:13:11 ◼ ► my other ones wouldn't work with it so [TS]

00:13:13 ◼ ► you get something on Christmas music [TS]

00:13:15 ◼ ► Christmas you said to apple had a new [TS]

00:13:18 ◼ ► monitor on our front doorstep the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼ ► morning after Christmas [TS]

00:13:22 ◼ ► that's pretty impressive that yeah so as [TS]

00:13:24 ◼ ► it not only do they not wait for us to [TS]

00:13:26 ◼ ► ship it back or you know ship it to us [TS]

00:13:29 ◼ ► and get here is that was like you're sad [TS]

00:13:31 ◼ ► on christmas day you go to sleep you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼ ► wake up the next morning the monitors on [TS]

00:13:34 ◼ ► your doorstep and so that was pretty [TS]

00:13:35 ◼ ► amazing [TS]

00:13:36 ◼ ► yeah i'm i'm curious to see how this [TS]

00:13:39 ◼ ► works out but you're absolutely right [TS]

00:13:41 ◼ ► that it it's all about how how [TS]

00:13:45 ◼ ► sympathetic people are and how people [TS]

00:13:47 ◼ ► react to it and I think it will be fine [TS]

00:13:50 ◼ ► it all it all work itself out but I'm it [TS]

00:13:53 ◼ ► man what a bummer what a serious bummer [TS]

00:13:56 ◼ ► and how much hassle it is like that you [TS]

00:13:58 ◼ ► have to convince anyone of anything is [TS]

00:14:00 ◼ ► there a lot of paperwork to fill out how [TS]

00:14:02 ◼ ► long does it take for you to have the [TS]

00:14:04 ◼ ► situation remedied to your satisfaction [TS]

00:14:06 ◼ ► like you can make a big difference even [TS]

00:14:08 ◼ ► if even if like you got it fixed the [TS]

00:14:10 ◼ ► next day but to do that you have to like [TS]

00:14:12 ◼ ► argue with someone on the phone that's a [TS]

00:14:13 ◼ ► terrible experience but right if you go [TS]

00:14:16 ◼ ► through it and someone is sympathetic [TS]

00:14:17 ◼ ► and just just you know it seems like [TS]

00:14:19 ◼ ► bump that's it [TS]

00:14:20 ◼ ► yep that's it you'll have a new computer [TS]

00:14:22 ◼ ► on Dax you're like oh that was easy and [TS]

00:14:24 ◼ ► you come away from that experience if [TS]

00:14:26 ◼ ► everything has gone well actually liking [TS]

00:14:28 ◼ ► the brand more than you would have if [TS]

00:14:30 ◼ ► you had just gotten the thing and it [TS]

00:14:31 ◼ ► worked out of the box with yeah totally [TS]

00:14:33 ◼ ► that the perverse way the human nature [TS]

00:14:34 ◼ ► works the worst of the worst one though [TS]

00:14:37 ◼ ► the one you can't recover from luckily [TS]

00:14:39 ◼ ► were all out of this phase is like when [TS]

00:14:40 ◼ ► i got my obscenely expensive Apple 22 [TS]

00:14:43 ◼ ► inch LCD monitor and had dead pixels on [TS]

00:14:46 ◼ ► it and I tried to look for them but i [TS]

00:14:48 ◼ ► can see that you know about that because [TS]

00:14:51 ◼ ► I knew going in with the policy was the [TS]

00:14:53 ◼ ► policy is it is an X number of pixels [TS]

00:14:54 ◼ ► know this our part or whatever sorry [TS]

00:14:56 ◼ ► luck of the draw you got unlucky and you [TS]

00:14:59 ◼ ► know i guess i suppose i could have [TS]

00:15:00 ◼ ► returned it and tried again and returned [TS]

00:15:02 ◼ ► it and try to get her in here and didn't [TS]

00:15:04 ◼ ► try it again but I was just not up for [TS]

00:15:05 ◼ ► that you know yesterday I was really [TS]

00:15:07 ◼ ► upset [TS]

00:15:08 ◼ ► not even just angry i was i was [TS]

00:15:10 ◼ ► genuinely upset but today with a little [TS]

00:15:14 ◼ ► bit of clarity and how whole i can see [TS]

00:15:16 ◼ ► that this is like the most first world [TS]

00:15:18 ◼ ► first world problems that my shiny new [TS]

00:15:20 ◼ ► computer didn't work immediately [TS]

00:15:22 ◼ ► oh well like get over yourself but [TS]

00:15:24 ◼ ► man it it did bum me out a little bit [TS]

00:15:26 ◼ ► i'm you paid good money for that thing [TS]

00:15:28 ◼ ► don't you know don't diminish this [TS]

00:15:30 ◼ ► yeah so hopefully will rectify itself we [TS]

00:15:33 ◼ ► don't we don't need to talk about this [TS]

00:15:34 ◼ ► anymore if if you guys don't have [TS]

00:15:36 ◼ ► anything to say we can move on to follow [TS]

00:15:38 ◼ ► up if you have any other questions I'm [TS]

00:15:39 ◼ ► happy to feel them [TS]

00:15:40 ◼ ► I have so many questions but first can [TS]

00:15:42 ◼ ► sponsor peridot at first a quick [TS]

00:15:45 ◼ ► correction couple weeks ago I didn't [TS]

00:15:47 ◼ ► read for Casper the mattress company [TS]

00:15:50 ◼ ► Casper and i forgot to give the coupon [TS]

00:15:52 ◼ ► code so if you go to Casper calm / ATP [TS]

00:15:55 ◼ ► for their wonderful design mattresses [TS]

00:15:57 ◼ ► please use coupon code ATP for fifty [TS]

00:16:00 ◼ ► bucks off America's once again code ATP [TS]

00:16:03 ◼ ► at capcom / ATP for fifty bucks off so [TS]

00:16:05 ◼ ► anyway thank you Casper sorry about the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼ ► mistake we respond to this week by [TS]

00:16:09 ◼ ► fracture go to fracture me.com and use [TS]

00:16:13 ◼ ► code ATP 15 for fifteen percent off your [TS]

00:16:15 ◼ ► first order they're fracture is vivid [TS]

00:16:17 ◼ ► color photo prints print directly on [TS]

00:16:20 ◼ ► glass fracture prints are beautiful your [TS]

00:16:23 ◼ ► photos printed on these then flat light [TS]

00:16:25 ◼ ► pieces of glass and that their visits [TS]

00:16:28 ◼ ► very like modern minimal presentation [TS]

00:16:30 ◼ ► it's just literally your photos [TS]

00:16:32 ◼ ► edge-to-edge printed on this piece of [TS]

00:16:34 ◼ ► glass [TS]

00:16:34 ◼ ► it's very thin very lightweight so you [TS]

00:16:36 ◼ ► don't have to worry about it like [TS]

00:16:37 ◼ ► crashing down off the wall are being [TS]

00:16:38 ◼ ► hard to hang or hard to install or [TS]

00:16:40 ◼ ► anything like that are breaking and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼ ► chipping all sorts of worries you might [TS]

00:16:43 ◼ ► have about getting a giant photo print [TS]

00:16:44 ◼ ► on glass that I all those words have [TS]

00:16:47 ◼ ► always been alleviated for me with [TS]

00:16:48 ◼ ► fracture but these prints look great and [TS]

00:16:50 ◼ ► they really want you to get your print [TS]

00:16:52 ◼ ► kinda you know out of the Instagram feed [TS]

00:16:54 ◼ ► out of the facebook galleries and [TS]

00:16:56 ◼ ► everything like get photos that are [TS]

00:16:58 ◼ ► great printed because once you put him [TS]

00:16:59 ◼ ► in like a social feel that that was like [TS]

00:17:01 ◼ ► a week passes those are gone you never [TS]

00:17:04 ◼ ► see them again like it really helps to [TS]

00:17:05 ◼ ► enjoy your photos to have them printed [TS]

00:17:07 ◼ ► out they also make fantastic gifts for [TS]

00:17:09 ◼ ► other people in your life who want to [TS]

00:17:11 ◼ ► enjoy your photos like family members [TS]

00:17:13 ◼ ► like it especially like if you have kids [TS]

00:17:14 ◼ ► or anything you want to like send a [TS]

00:17:15 ◼ ► picture your kids to their grandparents [TS]

00:17:17 ◼ ► or whatever [TS]

00:17:18 ◼ ► there are so many great uses for [TS]

00:17:19 ◼ ► fracture gifts photos for yourself [TS]

00:17:22 ◼ ► yeah and just to double down on that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼ ► real quick just this past week when i [TS]

00:17:27 ◼ ► was in a happier mood uh yeah actually [TS]

00:17:29 ◼ ► made a like six item fracture order [TS]

00:17:33 ◼ ► because i have plenty of fractures [TS]

00:17:34 ◼ ► around the house and we're actually [TS]

00:17:35 ◼ ► gonna start distributing them as gifts [TS]

00:17:37 ◼ ► and so we bought a bunch for gifts [TS]

00:17:40 ◼ ► including one for our for our own house [TS]

00:17:42 ◼ ► they really are fantastic and i tell you [TS]

00:17:44 ◼ ► what i have them i paid for them in the [TS]

00:17:46 ◼ ► past by paid for them just this week and [TS]

00:17:48 ◼ ► they're great [TS]

00:17:49 ◼ ► you really should try it out so check [TS]

00:17:50 ◼ ► them out go to fracture me.com and use [TS]

00:17:54 ◼ ► code ATP 15 to get fifteen percent off [TS]

00:17:57 ◼ ► your first order thank you very much to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼ ► fracture for sponsoring this week one of [TS]

00:18:01 ◼ ► my question was about I know you're not [TS]

00:18:03 ◼ ► gonna mess with it yourself but uh ram [TS]

00:18:05 ◼ ► the wiggles loose as the thing took its [TS]

00:18:07 ◼ ► bumpy little journey across the entire [TS]

00:18:09 ◼ ► country [TS]

00:18:09 ◼ ► I it's funny you say that I receded the [TS]

00:18:12 ◼ ► ram just to be safe [TS]

00:18:13 ◼ ► no difference I'll see I would've said [TS]

00:18:15 ◼ ► the same thing is to not try to do that [TS]

00:18:17 ◼ ► because i don't know like you peed on [TS]

00:18:20 ◼ ► the carpet and like a ditz i would i [TS]

00:18:23 ◼ ► would be like look I just can't I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼ ► haven't touched a thing that came out of [TS]

00:18:26 ◼ ► the box i've been using it like use a [TS]

00:18:27 ◼ ► computer by pressing buttons on the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼ ► keyboard and mouse or trackpad and now [TS]

00:18:30 ◼ ► it's Friday like all you opened it up [TS]

00:18:32 ◼ ► well but you're supposed to be a little [TS]

00:18:33 ◼ ► bit up by you know so I just most [TS]

00:18:36 ◼ ► paranoid with apples i would not have [TS]

00:18:37 ◼ ► even tried that I would have just [TS]

00:18:38 ◼ ► brought inside of the Rams unseated it's [TS]

00:18:40 ◼ ► not my problem in touch fair fair Point [TS]

00:18:42 ◼ ► and actually that brings up a really [TS]

00:18:43 ◼ ► interesting point let me tell you how I [TS]

00:18:46 ◼ ► know i'm old i was extremely and remain [TS]

00:18:49 ◼ ► actually extremely skeptical that me [TS]

00:18:53 ◼ ► doing like command are for recovery I [TS]

00:18:56 ◼ ► believe that's right i was looking at [TS]

00:18:57 ◼ ► the documents when i was when i was [TS]

00:18:59 ◼ ► doing these keystrokes if I get them [TS]

00:19:00 ◼ ► wrong now I apologize but I command our [TS]

00:19:02 ◼ ► option command or whatever it is for [TS]

00:19:03 ◼ ► internet recovery and d4 diagnostics all [TS]

00:19:06 ◼ ► these things that was mashing i [TS]

00:19:07 ◼ ► initially was doing that on the new [TS]

00:19:10 ◼ ► bluetooth keyboard that came with it [TS]

00:19:12 ◼ ► which by the way i like quite a bit i [TS]

00:19:13 ◼ ► really like it a lot a lot this is the [TS]

00:19:15 ◼ ► new like semi skinny one right that's [TS]

00:19:17 ◼ ► correct but anyway so I'm doing all of [TS]

00:19:20 ◼ ► this and I'm doing it on a Bluetooth [TS]

00:19:23 ◼ ► keyboard and the old man in me is so [TS]

00:19:26 ◼ ► damn skeptical that this keyboard is [TS]

00:19:29 ◼ ► even connected to the computer that i [TS]

00:19:32 ◼ ► first plugged it in with the lightning [TS]

00:19:35 ◼ ► cable then I decided no I'm not even [TS]

00:19:37 ◼ ► convinced that's good enough and i have [TS]

00:19:39 ◼ ► a hundred one key apple keyboard that i [TS]

00:19:41 ◼ ► got from god-knows-where that's USB i [TS]

00:19:44 ◼ ► plug that in and did all these keys [TS]

00:19:46 ◼ ► looks again just to be safe but it's it [TS]

00:19:49 ◼ ► weirded me out to be relying on wireless [TS]

00:19:52 ◼ ► devices in order to try to kick off [TS]

00:19:54 ◼ ► these extremely low-level like boot [TS]

00:19:56 ◼ ► sequences I don't just mean that's me [TS]

00:19:59 ◼ ► being old and weird i suppose [TS]

00:20:01 ◼ ► anyway any other questions for sure we [TS]

00:20:02 ◼ ► do some follow-up why did you get this [TS]

00:20:04 ◼ ► computer right so I knew it was time to [TS]

00:20:08 ◼ ► get a different computer i hadn't bought [TS]

00:20:10 ◼ ► a computer since my i already mentioned [TS]

00:20:13 ◼ ► 2011 hi-res entire back pro that thing [TS]

00:20:19 ◼ ► sits on my desk constantly that's all it [TS]

00:20:21 ◼ ► does is sit on the desk and even though [TS]

00:20:24 ◼ ► I've been a laptop guy for easily a [TS]

00:20:26 ◼ ► decade and change in fact i think i made [TS]

00:20:28 ◼ ► the switch during school so somewhere in [TS]

00:20:30 ◼ ► the early 2000s was when I really became [TS]

00:20:32 ◼ ► a laptop kind of guy and i thought to [TS]

00:20:36 ◼ ► myself i will have a work laptop as we [TS]

00:20:39 ◼ ► discussed quite a bit of heat that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼ ► several episodes back I'll have a work [TS]

00:20:42 ◼ ► laptop and it occurred to me just [TS]

00:20:44 ◼ ► yesterday that i have my high resident [TS]

00:20:47 ◼ ► eclair you know macbook pro that I could [TS]

00:20:50 ◼ ► put an SSD and like we were just talking [TS]

00:20:51 ◼ ► about so i will still have a laptop and [TS]

00:20:54 ◼ ► even in a real pinch I can take errands [TS]

00:20:57 ◼ ► a scuba-diving macbook her and use that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼ ► if I really wanted to use a laptop [TS]

00:21:03 ◼ ► beyond that as I've also talked about on [TS]

00:21:06 ◼ ► the show Aaron got me a brand new ipad [TS]

00:21:09 ◼ ► mini for Christmas and for a lot of [TS]

00:21:13 ◼ ► things especially when mated to a [TS]

00:21:14 ◼ ► bluetooth keyboard that's probably [TS]

00:21:16 ◼ ► sufficient so say I wanted to write a [TS]

00:21:19 ◼ ► blog post downstairs while I'm sitting [TS]

00:21:21 ◼ ► next to her on the couch [TS]

00:21:22 ◼ ► I could use my iPad I could use her [TS]

00:21:24 ◼ ► laptop I could use my old laptop I could [TS]

00:21:26 ◼ ► use my work laptop so if i have like 80 [TS]

00:21:28 ◼ ► for portable devices rolling around the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼ ► house [TS]

00:21:31 ◼ ► do I really need another but i have a [TS]

00:21:33 ◼ ► couple of things that I really want [TS]

00:21:34 ◼ ► running all the time like plex for [TS]

00:21:36 ◼ ► example why not have that running on a [TS]

00:21:39 ◼ ► desktop rather than running on my yet my [TS]

00:21:42 ◼ ► laptop and so it seems to me like I'm [TS]

00:21:45 ◼ ► running out of good reasons to have a [TS]

00:21:49 ◼ ► laptop and so if I'm gonna get a desktop [TS]

00:21:52 ◼ ► and damned if I don't lust after these [TS]

00:21:54 ◼ ► like apple cinema displays that are all [TS]

00:21:56 ◼ ► over the place on the client that i'm [TS]

00:21:58 ◼ ► working at which we talked about in the [TS]

00:21:59 ◼ ► past [TS]

00:22:00 ◼ ► one just bite the bullet and get a damn [TS]

00:22:02 ◼ ► imac and that's what I did and I tell [TS]

00:22:04 ◼ ► you what it's weird only having one [TS]

00:22:07 ◼ ► monitor because at home [TS]

00:22:08 ◼ ► not right now actually because I put it [TS]

00:22:10 ◼ ► away but at home I typically have two [TS]

00:22:11 ◼ ► monitors at work I always have two [TS]

00:22:14 ◼ ► monitors it's weird only having one [TS]

00:22:16 ◼ ► monitor those you can have to donate [TS]

00:22:17 ◼ ► melon [TS]

00:22:18 ◼ ► yeah I know you thank you thank you oh [TS]

00:22:20 ◼ ► my god thank you i know you can have to [TS]

00:22:22 ◼ ► write but when it's a 27-inch screen [TS]

00:22:25 ◼ ► you really told needed it's really ok [TS]

00:22:28 ◼ ► and all my god is that screen beautiful [TS]

00:22:30 ◼ ► did you guys know that screen is really [TS]

00:22:32 ◼ ► pretty I feel like we should talk about [TS]

00:22:34 ◼ ► this in the past or something but Marco [TS]

00:22:36 ◼ ► has the worst one but I have the same [TS]

00:22:37 ◼ ► one as you know it if only somebody [TS]

00:22:42 ◼ ► would have told you about a month ago [TS]

00:22:43 ◼ ► but all the benefits of death yes yes [TS]

00:22:45 ◼ ► yes [TS]

00:22:46 ◼ ► so eventually i thought you know it's [TS]

00:22:48 ◼ ► all kidding aside I thought you know let [TS]

00:22:49 ◼ ► me just try this test something because [TS]

00:22:51 ◼ ► you know what it's a lot of fun time no [TS]

00:22:54 ◼ ► question full stop it's a lot of money [TS]

00:22:56 ◼ ► I what I got was under apologize i said [TS]

00:22:59 ◼ ► this already but I got a [TS]

00:22:59 ◼ ► middle-of-the-road 1i I got it with [TS]

00:23:02 ◼ ► eight gigs of ram because i was planning [TS]

00:23:03 ◼ ► on putting some aftermarket ram in it [TS]

00:23:05 ◼ ► did you get cpu I got the four 4 [TS]

00:23:08 ◼ ► gigahertz CPU yes and I got the one [TS]

00:23:12 ◼ ► terabyte SSD so basically a fairly [TS]

00:23:15 ◼ ► loaded middle-of-the-road i'm at 5k imac [TS]

00:23:19 ◼ ► because i didn't see the need for a [TS]

00:23:21 ◼ ► really fancy graphics card because I [TS]

00:23:23 ◼ ► don't ever play games so I i loved the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼ ► machine for the three hours to use that [TS]

00:23:30 ◼ ► benefited i and i'm really looking [TS]

00:23:32 ◼ ► forward to sticking with it i really [TS]

00:23:34 ◼ ► think this is probably going to be the [TS]

00:23:36 ◼ ► right answer for me ask me again in a [TS]

00:23:38 ◼ ► few months obviously and i say that both [TS]

00:23:40 ◼ ► sarcastically and seriously because I'm [TS]

00:23:42 ◼ ► curious to see if I miss it [TS]

00:23:43 ◼ ► who works here yeah if it works but i'm [TS]

00:23:47 ◼ ► i'm really thinking that that this was [TS]

00:23:49 ◼ ► probably the right answer especially if [TS]

00:23:51 ◼ ► I start doing a little more iOS [TS]

00:23:52 ◼ ► development which I'm i'm hoping to be [TS]

00:23:54 ◼ ► doing soon [TS]

00:23:56 ◼ ► that's a pretty good way to do it and i [TS]

00:23:57 ◼ ► will say that after having used this [TS]

00:24:01 ◼ ► 27-inch 5k imac fourth two-and-a-half to [TS]

00:24:04 ◼ ► three hours as i was going to [TS]

00:24:07 ◼ ► troubleshoot I got out my work 15 inch [TS]

00:24:10 ◼ ► retina macbook pro and hand on heart the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼ ► first thing i thought to myself was holy [TS]

00:24:16 ◼ ► God the screen is tiny and is never [TS]

00:24:18 ◼ ► thought that 15 inch laptop ever before [TS]

00:24:22 ◼ ► in my life [TS]

00:24:24 ◼ ► yes so two things you you're not ruined [TS]

00:24:26 ◼ ► our first of all the screen quality of [TS]

00:24:29 ◼ ► the 5k is still way better even the 1i [TS]

00:24:33 ◼ ► have that that has the worst color gamut [TS]

00:24:34 ◼ ► than yours [TS]

00:24:35 ◼ ► it is the the screen on the 5k is way [TS]

00:24:38 ◼ ► better than the screen on any of the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼ ► laptops including the newest 15 will see [TS]

00:24:42 ◼ ► that changes when they go to sky like a [TS]

00:24:44 ◼ ► moon a few months or whatever but as of [TS]

00:24:46 ◼ ► today like it [TS]

00:24:48 ◼ ► the imax screen is by far the nicest [TS]

00:24:50 ◼ ► screen apple sells in my eye maybe ipad [TS]

00:24:53 ◼ ► pro I haven't looked too much added but [TS]

00:24:54 ◼ ► like I thought the ipad mini was [TS]

00:24:55 ◼ ► actually the best of the portables at me [TS]

00:24:58 ◼ ► maybe you know for like certain metrics [TS]

00:24:59 ◼ ► I you know I i know the test you're [TS]

00:25:01 ◼ ► talking about but I like among max I [TS]

00:25:03 ◼ ► think the 5k imac is just far away far [TS]

00:25:06 ◼ ► ahead of the other ones because just I [TS]

00:25:08 ◼ ► mean everything about it like that the [TS]

00:25:10 ◼ ► color the contrast like the the pixel [TS]

00:25:12 ◼ ► density I don't know a bunch of stuff i [TS]

00:25:15 ◼ ► understand it just looks great and once [TS]

00:25:16 ◼ ► you're accustomed to looking at a 5k [TS]

00:25:18 ◼ ► when you look at the retina macbook pro [TS]

00:25:21 ◼ ► you you can tell them they're in a macro [TS]

00:25:23 ◼ ► screen almost seems blurry by comparison [TS]

00:25:25 ◼ ► like its it is a very different look and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼ ► it looks fantastic on the 5k and so [TS]

00:25:30 ◼ ► first of all you are now ruined so yes [TS]

00:25:33 ◼ ► you can go ahead and plug in additional [TS]

00:25:35 ◼ ► monitors to it but you won't want to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼ ► because anything else you plug into it [TS]

00:25:39 ◼ ► look like garbage and apple is no is not [TS]

00:25:41 ◼ ► yet shipping a standalone version of [TS]

00:25:43 ◼ ► this monitor i hope they do in the [TS]

00:25:45 ◼ ► future and for people to do what [TS]

00:25:46 ◼ ► multi-monitor or who don't have a laptop [TS]

00:25:48 ◼ ► don't have a 5k but having a laptop or [TS]

00:25:50 ◼ ► something but for now this is the best [TS]

00:25:52 ◼ ► green apple sells the only way you can [TS]

00:25:53 ◼ ► get it is inside the 5ki and nothing [TS]

00:25:56 ◼ ► nothing else matches it and even having [TS]

00:25:59 ◼ ► a laptop next to it is is just no kinda [TS]

00:26:01 ◼ ► so a you ruin screen quality and B [TS]

00:26:03 ◼ ► you're definitely on screen size you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼ ► know now and this is how i feel about [TS]

00:26:07 ◼ ► how it felt for years ever since i got a [TS]

00:26:08 ◼ ► giant monitor like this I i can do work [TS]

00:26:11 ◼ ► on my 15-inch macbook pro and i have and [TS]

00:26:14 ◼ ► i need to usually a few times a year i [TS]

00:26:16 ◼ ► need to do something really heavy on the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼ ► map program glad I have it but every [TS]

00:26:20 ◼ ► time i do work on the map or i'm tempted [TS]

00:26:23 ◼ ► to work the macbook pro and I [TS]

00:26:24 ◼ ► can work on the desktop like either [TS]

00:26:26 ◼ ► either it's just on the outside of the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼ ► house or I'll be back to back home in a [TS]

00:26:31 ◼ ► couple days and i can do it then i will [TS]

00:26:33 ◼ ► just put off work until I can do it on [TS]

00:26:35 ◼ ► the big screen because i know that i [TS]

00:26:36 ◼ ► will wait happier and more productive [TS]

00:26:38 ◼ ► doing on the big screen so like you will [TS]

00:26:41 ◼ ► probably follow a similar path variable [TS]

00:26:45 ◼ ► people really well I could work on this [TS]

00:26:47 ◼ ► laptop but screen is so cramped but it's [TS]

00:26:50 ◼ ► might as well just wait till I can go [TS]

00:26:52 ◼ ► upstairs and do it on the imac yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:54 ◼ ► we'll say I am I am genuinely a little [TS]

00:26:56 ◼ ► i'm going to use the word worried [TS]

00:26:58 ◼ ► because I can't think of a better word [TS]

00:26:59 ◼ ► but i'm a little worried about what this [TS]

00:27:01 ◼ ► means for my home life and for my [TS]

00:27:05 ◼ ► relationship with aaron because I I [TS]

00:27:07 ◼ ► don't often sit with a laptop downstairs [TS]

00:27:09 ◼ ► next errand but i wouldn't say it's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼ ► uncommon either and now if I want to use [TS]

00:27:14 ◼ ► my computer I'm gonna have to be [TS]

00:27:16 ◼ ► upstairs in one of our bedrooms which [TS]

00:27:18 ◼ ► you know is always my in-home office and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼ ► that's what I'm saying right now to [TS]

00:27:22 ◼ ► record and so I don't want to ignore [TS]

00:27:25 ◼ ► Aaron on a regular basis [TS]

00:27:27 ◼ ► just because I want to be upstairs in my [TS]

00:27:29 ◼ ► fancy new imac but we'll see what [TS]

00:27:31 ◼ ► happens i mean if that's the most of my [TS]

00:27:33 ◼ ► problems I'm in pretty damn good shape [TS]

00:27:35 ◼ ► our nice so we'll see but I i don't mean [TS]

00:27:37 ◼ ► this to be snarky I mean I genuinely and [TS]

00:27:40 ◼ ► then the two and a half three hours [TS]

00:27:41 ◼ ► I'm i would I use the thing I really [TS]

00:27:44 ◼ ► really really loved it i really did and [TS]

00:27:46 ◼ ► admittedly some of that was a shiny but [TS]

00:27:49 ◼ ► it was fast it worked well I was [TS]

00:27:53 ◼ ► transferring things from both laptops to [TS]

00:27:55 ◼ ► the to the to the imac a God knows [TS]

00:27:58 ◼ ► what's gonna happen with that data if I [TS]

00:27:59 ◼ ► return it but anyway uh I was [TS]

00:28:01 ◼ ► transferring stuff to the imac at at [TS]

00:28:04 ◼ ► ridiculous speeds i was doing like 18 [TS]

00:28:06 ◼ ► things at once i'm a really heavy user [TS]

00:28:09 ◼ ► of what is its paces the multiple [TS]

00:28:11 ◼ ► virtual screens and it's all wrapped [TS]

00:28:13 ◼ ► into Mission Control now but i barely [TS]

00:28:15 ◼ ► use them on this imac because god help [TS]

00:28:17 ◼ ► me I have like 10 different windows open [TS]

00:28:20 ◼ ► at once shut up John I'd like 10 [TS]

00:28:23 ◼ ► different winter so but it wants which [TS]

00:28:25 ◼ ► is like eight more that i usually have I [TS]

00:28:27 ◼ ► don't know maybe I just have a simple [TS]

00:28:28 ◼ ► simple mind yet [TS]

00:28:29 ◼ ► I think you're not the only one with [TS]

00:28:31 ◼ ► spaces i see with all these youngsters [TS]

00:28:32 ◼ ► at work who [TS]

00:28:34 ◼ ► we have many more max at work now we [TS]

00:28:35 ◼ ► have many more youngsters at work and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼ ► ever ever it's very easy and multiple [TS]

00:28:39 ◼ ► monitors at work so that the domain like [TS]

00:28:44 ◼ ► the wave young people and generalizing [TS]

00:28:46 ◼ ► the way the young people i see at my [TS]

00:28:48 ◼ ► work these days you write exactly use [TS]

00:28:50 ◼ ► their max is that multiple monitors they [TS]

00:28:54 ◼ ► like lots of monitors like the more the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼ ► better one guy like six with wrinkles [TS]

00:28:58 ◼ ► and they full screen everything and they [TS]

00:29:02 ◼ ► attempt to use spaces in Mission Control [TS]

00:29:04 ◼ ► to cycle through things like I'll be [TS]

00:29:07 ◼ ► sitting there and watching somebody do [TS]

00:29:08 ◼ ► something that they're there they'll be [TS]

00:29:10 ◼ ► demonstrating something they'll have to [TS]

00:29:11 ◼ ► have a text editor full screen on one [TS]

00:29:13 ◼ ► 17-inch monitor and another text editor [TS]

00:29:16 ◼ ► web browser for another 17-inch monitor [TS]

00:29:18 ◼ ► and sometimes would be like well go to [TS]

00:29:20 ◼ ► this web page go to the source file go [TS]

00:29:21 ◼ ► to this go do that go to the terminal [TS]

00:29:22 ◼ ► window all these things would fit like [TS]

00:29:24 ◼ ► 117 screen at the person who like use [TS]

00:29:27 ◼ ► windows windows down because really [TS]

00:29:29 ◼ ► terminal terminal filling an entire [TS]

00:29:31 ◼ ► letterbox format 17 inch screen is [TS]

00:29:34 ◼ ► ridiculous right but instead it's like [TS]

00:29:37 ◼ ► where's that window again where that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼ ► window lots of gestures and keyboard [TS]

00:29:40 ◼ ► combinations to you know go through [TS]

00:29:42 ◼ ► spaces with the control arrow keys and [TS]

00:29:44 ◼ ► gestures to swipe from one to the other [TS]

00:29:45 ◼ ► to try to make the thing they're looking [TS]

00:29:47 ◼ ► for appear on one of the two screens and [TS]

00:29:50 ◼ ► I can't see what's in front of behind [TS]

00:29:52 ◼ ► they just have to like and they don't [TS]

00:29:53 ◼ ► seem to have an awareness there's no [TS]

00:29:54 ◼ ► like like it used to be where spaces [TS]

00:29:57 ◼ ► were 2d instead of just like a 1d strip [TS]

00:29:59 ◼ ► remember the 2d spaces things we go up [TS]

00:30:00 ◼ ► down left and right at least ever [TS]

00:30:02 ◼ ► fighting chance instead what I see it is [TS]

00:30:04 ◼ ► two screens that the icy hands moving [TS]

00:30:06 ◼ ► furiously I see two screens blink blink [TS]

00:30:08 ◼ ► blink blink blink blink blink [TS]

00:30:10 ◼ ► all I found it there and then we'll go [TS]

00:30:12 ◼ ► back to the thing okay blink blink blink [TS]

00:30:14 ◼ ► blink blink blink blink found this like [TS]

00:30:16 ◼ ► this is this does not seem efficient so [TS]

00:30:20 ◼ ► yeah anyway people like a movie should [TS]

00:30:23 ◼ ► we should know this from the from [TS]

00:30:24 ◼ ► Windows Windows taught us that people [TS]

00:30:25 ◼ ► like to maximize everything and the mac [TS]

00:30:28 ◼ ► users like well max used on maximizing [TS]

00:30:29 ◼ ► everything well guess what [TS]

00:30:31 ◼ ► now that Max are more common the people [TS]

00:30:33 ◼ ► who maximize everything have max and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼ ► they try to work the same way so don't [TS]

00:30:36 ◼ ► do that Casey it's a waste of your [TS]

00:30:38 ◼ ► screen space but i don't typically [TS]

00:30:40 ◼ ► maximize everything but what I typically [TS]

00:30:42 ◼ ► do is have spaces kind of Orient like [TS]

00:30:46 ◼ ► things [TS]

00:30:47 ◼ ► well as an example the probably the the [TS]

00:30:49 ◼ ► best example is I have one space that [TS]

00:30:52 ◼ ► has my work I am the relay slack and I [TS]

00:30:56 ◼ ► messages in three tiles on that space [TS]

00:31:00 ◼ ► they take up the whole screen so though [TS]

00:31:02 ◼ ► the left half the screen is work i am [TS]

00:31:04 ◼ ► this is on like a work computer of [TS]

00:31:05 ◼ ► course left half the screen is work i am [TS]

00:31:07 ◼ ► and then the right half the screen is [TS]

00:31:09 ◼ ► split in half so the top half is real a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼ ► slack and the bottom half is I messages [TS]

00:31:14 ◼ ► and that's actually what's going on [TS]

00:31:16 ◼ ► right now so that's just a simple [TS]

00:31:18 ◼ ► example and I like spaces it's not for [TS]

00:31:21 ◼ ► everyone but like i said when i was [TS]

00:31:22 ◼ ► using this imac i found that that I [TS]

00:31:25 ◼ ► could just tile damn near everything [TS]

00:31:27 ◼ ► into one space which is a weird thing [TS]

00:31:30 ◼ ► for me but but my love of spaces is also [TS]

00:31:32 ◼ ► the reason that I feel like I can't use [TS]

00:31:35 ◼ ► any other mouse other than the magic [TS]

00:31:37 ◼ ► mouse because i'm addicted to the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼ ► two-finger swipe I understand that [TS]

00:31:41 ◼ ► Mike's beloved MX revolution or whatever [TS]

00:31:43 ◼ ► it is has configurations in which you [TS]

00:31:45 ◼ ► can swap spaces with buttons and whatnot [TS]

00:31:47 ◼ ► but but for me I've always use the magic [TS]

00:31:51 ◼ ► mouse i love it plus the mass crippled [TS]

00:31:52 ◼ ► him so then that Mouse also crippled him [TS]

00:31:54 ◼ ► so there's that [TS]

00:31:55 ◼ ► minor details right no big deal right so [TS]

00:31:59 ◼ ► anyway so yes I in my brief usage and [TS]

00:32:01 ◼ ► again I know I sound snarky but I'm not [TS]

00:32:03 ◼ ► trying to be in my very brief usage of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼ ► this machine I actually really really [TS]

00:32:06 ◼ ► really liked it and if I return it [TS]

00:32:09 ◼ ► tomorrow if I get it repaired tomorrow [TS]

00:32:10 ◼ ► one way or the other i am looking [TS]

00:32:12 ◼ ► forward to having some [TS]

00:32:13 ◼ ► honest-to-goodness time with it but it [TS]

00:32:16 ◼ ► was fast it was it was nice it was [TS]

00:32:19 ◼ ► pretty the screen was beautiful i really [TS]

00:32:22 ◼ ► enjoy the new peripheral peripherals the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼ ► under the new magic mouse seemed roughly [TS]

00:32:27 ◼ ► the same to me I couldn't tell any major [TS]

00:32:29 ◼ ► differences like I understand what the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼ ► differences are but just from feel and [TS]

00:32:34 ◼ ► whatnot I couldn't really tell the [TS]

00:32:35 ◼ ► differences the new keyboard though I [TS]

00:32:37 ◼ ► really really liked a lot I feel like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼ ► every single Apple keyboard in the house [TS]

00:32:41 ◼ ► i have the 2011 macbook pro I of the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼ ► 2013-2015 macbook pro i have the hundred [TS]

00:32:48 ◼ ► one keyboard i have a4 battery bluetooth [TS]

00:32:51 ◼ ► keyboard i have errands macbook air [TS]

00:32:54 ◼ ► every single one of those keyboards I [TS]

00:32:56 ◼ ► swear to you feels just a little bit [TS]

00:32:57 ◼ ► different but i really liked the new the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼ ► new bluetooth one I've what is it the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼ ► magic keyboard or something i always get [TS]

00:33:04 ◼ ► the names wrong anyway the whatever the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼ ► brand new one is I really liked it a lot [TS]

00:33:08 ◼ ► so so the hardware accepting the fact [TS]

00:33:10 ◼ ► that it died with this waterfall and and [TS]

00:33:15 ◼ ► I you know it too quick personal [TS]

00:33:18 ◼ ► anecdote my office is a disaster [TS]

00:33:21 ◼ ► the the one in my house is a disaster [TS]

00:33:22 ◼ ► you could barely see the carpet and [TS]

00:33:24 ◼ ► there was like a path between the door [TS]

00:33:26 ◼ ► and the chair and that was about it and [TS]

00:33:28 ◼ ► in preparation for this thing it was as [TS]

00:33:30 ◼ ► it was marching across the country [TS]

00:33:32 ◼ ► I finally did what aaron has been [TS]

00:33:33 ◼ ► begging me to do for like two years now [TS]

00:33:35 ◼ ► and I cleaned up my office and my desk [TS]

00:33:38 ◼ ► was all clean i have a glass desk [TS]

00:33:39 ◼ ► because I've had it forever but I guess [TS]

00:33:41 ◼ ► I'm that kind of loser and so I have [TS]

00:33:43 ◼ ► this glass desk is all cleaned off i [TS]

00:33:45 ◼ ► moved my mic from one side of the desk [TS]

00:33:47 ◼ ► to the other with your podcasters like a [TS]

00:33:49 ◼ ► really big deal and I was all ready to [TS]

00:33:51 ◼ ► go with it was going to be great and now [TS]

00:33:55 ◼ ► it's in my trunk to get prepared to [TS]

00:33:57 ◼ ► return tomorrow [TS]

00:33:59 ◼ ► that's sucks yeah i'm very sad because I [TS]

00:34:01 ◼ ► really do feel so bad for you because i [TS]

00:34:03 ◼ ► like i like i just as i said earlier [TS]

00:34:05 ◼ ► like the idea of like you know having [TS]

00:34:07 ◼ ► like you know thought about it and saved [TS]

00:34:09 ◼ ► up and finally ordered and track and [TS]

00:34:12 ◼ ► receive this thing only to have it then [TS]

00:34:13 ◼ ► just be broken like it just it's such a [TS]

00:34:15 ◼ ► damper on which should be like the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼ ► exciting time that you finally got you [TS]

00:34:19 ◼ ► know you you paid for you waited [TS]

00:34:21 ◼ ► patiently got it and like I said I as [TS]

00:34:24 ◼ ► silly as it is one of the things I was [TS]

00:34:26 ◼ ► most excited for what's to say to you [TS]

00:34:28 ◼ ► get was to say to the two of you guess [TS]

00:34:29 ◼ ► what writing talking you're my new hat [TS]

00:34:32 ◼ ► like I said I went out when i was doing [TS]

00:34:34 ◼ ► all of this installation i had already [TS]

00:34:36 ◼ ► had my mic connected because there's no [TS]

00:34:38 ◼ ► reason not to [TS]

00:34:39 ◼ ► and then nevermind that time so anyway [TS]

00:34:43 ◼ ► we've talked about this far too long we [TS]

00:34:45 ◼ ► should probably do some follow-up [TS]

00:34:46 ◼ ► especially since we have a fair bit of [TS]

00:34:47 ◼ ► it but I appreciate you indulging me and [TS]

00:34:50 ◼ ► next week we will have some amount to [TS]

00:34:53 ◼ ► follow up either i returned it or maybe [TS]

00:34:56 ◼ ► I gotta repaired we'll see what happens [TS]

00:34:58 ◼ ► but i wont will follow back up next week [TS]

00:35:00 ◼ ► before you move on do you want to [TS]

00:35:02 ◼ ► preemptively apologize to Declan for his [TS]

00:35:05 ◼ ► bed minecraft 2.3 frame rates [TS]

00:35:08 ◼ ► haha well given that he's what 14 and a [TS]

00:35:11 ◼ ► half months now I'm not too worried [TS]

00:35:13 ◼ ► about I said minecraft 2.3 by the time [TS]

00:35:16 ◼ ► he reaches minecraft age you'll still [TS]

00:35:18 ◼ ► have that computer he'll be using it and [TS]

00:35:20 ◼ ► the new version of Minecraft will [TS]

00:35:21 ◼ ► probably not get great frame rates and [TS]

00:35:23 ◼ ► they'll ask why and then you'll have to [TS]

00:35:24 ◼ ► explain to him daddy didn't want the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼ ► good graphics card if you do you really [TS]

00:35:28 ◼ ► think that good graphics card make a [TS]

00:35:29 ◼ ► difference when he's playing a game on a [TS]

00:35:31 ◼ ► seven-year-old computer i think it will [TS]

00:35:33 ◼ ► because minecraft like I assume there [TS]

00:35:35 ◼ ► will be no minecraft to who knows at [TS]

00:35:37 ◼ ► that point in his life but minecraft [TS]

00:35:39 ◼ ► does can be surprisingly demanding if [TS]

00:35:42 ◼ ► you crank everything up to max on my 5k [TS]

00:35:46 ◼ ► iMac which was the best video card that [TS]

00:35:47 ◼ ► you can get in that particular machine [TS]

00:35:48 ◼ ► you can make it chug occasionally like [TS]

00:35:50 ◼ ► it can happen you know obviously he's [TS]

00:35:53 ◼ ► not going to have the graphic settings [TS]

00:35:54 ◼ ► max but I think even its standard [TS]

00:35:55 ◼ ► graphics settings with a reasonable draw [TS]

00:35:57 ◼ ► distance by the time he is of age and [TS]

00:36:01 ◼ ► minecraft has evolved to have slightly [TS]

00:36:03 ◼ ► fancier graphics perhaps it's not gonna [TS]

00:36:06 ◼ ► be a great frame rates then it's [TS]

00:36:07 ◼ ► someone's going to answer for that and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼ ► well I guess I'll explain to if you [TS]

00:36:10 ◼ ► don't want to because it's not like [TS]

00:36:12 ◼ ► you're gonna get rid of that beautiful [TS]

00:36:13 ◼ ► screen that you're going to use that [TS]

00:36:14 ◼ ► thing for as the like it'll be a viable [TS]

00:36:16 ◼ ► computer for a really long time except [TS]

00:36:18 ◼ ► maybe for Minecraft okay first of all I [TS]

00:36:21 ◼ ► need to teach you guys about selling [TS]

00:36:22 ◼ ► computers while they're still worth [TS]

00:36:23 ◼ ► something [TS]

00:36:24 ◼ ► second of all second of all I love John [TS]

00:36:28 ◼ ► that you that you assume there might not [TS]

00:36:30 ◼ ► be a minecraft to I know Microsoft Bob [TS]

00:36:33 ◼ ► Dom I understand it's a billion-dollar [TS]

00:36:35 ◼ ► business there will definitely be a [TS]

00:36:38 ◼ ► minecraft to it might not be good and it [TS]

00:36:40 ◼ ► might not be for a while but there will [TS]

00:36:42 ◼ ► definitely be a minecraft snow it's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼ ► already on the app store to just an ok [TS]

00:36:45 ◼ ► right now I mean like for this way if [TS]

00:36:49 ◼ ► not still owned it i mean there were [TS]

00:36:50 ◼ ► additional should have already been a [TS]

00:36:52 ◼ ► minecraft to intrude but there wasn't [TS]

00:36:53 ◼ ► because the the company and the person [TS]

00:36:55 ◼ ► who owned it just continued to revise [TS]

00:36:57 ◼ ► the program and continue to sell you [TS]

00:37:00 ◼ ► know the original program now the micro [TS]

00:37:02 ◼ ► zones that you're right there will [TS]

00:37:03 ◼ ► surely be a minecraft at some point but [TS]

00:37:06 ◼ ► i'm not quite sure when that will be [TS]

00:37:08 ◼ ► could be borderline [TS]

00:37:09 ◼ ► they and I don't know what kind of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼ ► priority this for them to get my [TS]

00:37:13 ◼ ► together minecraft to out versus just [TS]

00:37:16 ◼ ► revising and continue to sell minecraft [TS]

00:37:18 ◼ ► and every single new platforms because [TS]

00:37:19 ◼ ► they are selling same game over and over [TS]

00:37:20 ◼ ► again with selling ps4 the cell wall no [TS]

00:37:23 ◼ ► less so now but now this element xbox [TS]

00:37:25 ◼ ► one they'll saw the pc version probably [TS]

00:37:27 ◼ ► so windows phone version you know the [TS]

00:37:30 ◼ ► salt keeps on the iOS version so i don't [TS]

00:37:34 ◼ ► know for their there's a burning need to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼ ► make a minecraft to before Declan [TS]

00:37:38 ◼ ► reaches that age people say we respond [TS]

00:37:40 ◼ ► to this week by blue apron helping you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼ ► cook better at home to a blue apron calm [TS]

00:37:45 ◼ ► / ATP to be your first two meals for [TS]

00:37:47 ◼ ► free [TS]

00:37:48 ◼ ► look you need to know how to cook not [TS]

00:37:50 ◼ ► only should you know your way around the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼ ► kitchen but cooking at home it's eating [TS]

00:37:52 ◼ ► healthier and saving money instead of [TS]

00:37:54 ◼ ► ordering expensive unhealthy takeout [TS]

00:37:56 ◼ ► every night but where do you start blue [TS]

00:37:58 ◼ ► apron has you covered for less than ten [TS]

00:38:00 ◼ ► dollars per meal they deliver all the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼ ► fresh ingredients you need to create [TS]

00:38:03 ◼ ► home-cooked meals just follow the easy [TS]

00:38:05 ◼ ► step-by-step instructions they give you [TS]

00:38:06 ◼ ► for each recipe with pictures of every [TS]

00:38:08 ◼ ► step right on the recipe cards so you [TS]

00:38:10 ◼ ► can see exactly what's supposed to look [TS]

00:38:11 ◼ ► like it comes exactly the ingredients [TS]

00:38:13 ◼ ► you need there's no like massive amount [TS]

00:38:15 ◼ ► of extra like summer but you need to [TS]

00:38:17 ◼ ► throw away in a week when it goes when [TS]

00:38:19 ◼ ► it was rotten and regardless of your [TS]

00:38:20 ◼ ► dietary preferences they have lots of [TS]

00:38:22 ◼ ► options they make it a breeze to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼ ► discover and prepare dishes right in [TS]

00:38:25 ◼ ► your own kitchen so this week they have [TS]

00:38:27 ◼ ► things like garganelli pasta and tomato [TS]

00:38:29 ◼ ► sauce with fresh mozzarella and arugula [TS]

00:38:31 ◼ ► orange salad that's all that's a [TS]

00:38:33 ◼ ► mouthful literally texting and buffalo [TS]

00:38:36 ◼ ► chicken sandwiches with endive and blue [TS]

00:38:38 ◼ ► cheese salad also cook with ingredients [TS]

00:38:39 ◼ ► that you've probably never used before [TS]

00:38:41 ◼ ► like this week's poblano chili or baby [TS]

00:38:44 ◼ ► bok choy or pearl onions now all these [TS]

00:38:46 ◼ ► recipes are between 500 and 700 calories [TS]

00:38:49 ◼ ► per portion so it's really delicious and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼ ► good for you right now you can get your [TS]

00:38:53 ◼ ► first two meals for free at blue apron [TS]

00:38:55 ◼ ► calm / ATP that's blue apron calm / ATP [TS]

00:38:59 ◼ ► blue apron a better way to cook i am [TS]

00:39:02 ◼ ► still thinking about that time soup they [TS]

00:39:03 ◼ ► had like two months ago [TS]

00:39:04 ◼ ► man that was good yet you know it's [TS]

00:39:06 ◼ ► funny you bring that up so as part of [TS]

00:39:08 ◼ ► blue apron sponsoring us they gave us a [TS]

00:39:10 ◼ ► few weeks of free meals and i have been [TS]

00:39:12 ◼ ► wanting to try blue apron for the [TS]

00:39:14 ◼ ► longest time it took us all of one week [TS]

00:39:16 ◼ ► for Aaron and I to look at each other [TS]

00:39:17 ◼ ► and say this might be worth it because [TS]

00:39:19 ◼ ► this is really really really good [TS]

00:39:22 ◼ ► and tonight we had korean and I'm a [TS]

00:39:24 ◼ ► butcher this korean t och and spicy pork [TS]

00:39:26 ◼ ► ragout and this was one of those things [TS]

00:39:29 ◼ ► that it's not totally out of our comfort [TS]

00:39:31 ◼ ► zone but not in our comfort zone if that [TS]

00:39:34 ◼ ► makes sense and oh man was it really [TS]

00:39:37 ◼ ► good [TS]

00:39:37 ◼ ► and last week was our first week we had [TS]

00:39:39 ◼ ► a few different things they were all [TS]

00:39:40 ◼ ► good now I really i'm really loving [TS]

00:39:43 ◼ ► brunette blue apron so far and I think [TS]

00:39:45 ◼ ► it's a pretty much done deal that Aaron [TS]

00:39:48 ◼ ► and I are going to end up signing up and [TS]

00:39:49 ◼ ► actually using our own money to pay for [TS]

00:39:51 ◼ ► it because it's awesome [TS]

00:39:52 ◼ ► Casey we had the same dinner today did [TS]

00:39:54 ◼ ► we all that's the likely i have the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼ ► exact same thing at the exact same blue [TS]

00:39:57 ◼ ► apron meal yeah did you like it I did it [TS]

00:40:00 ◼ ► was one of my favorite ones that have [TS]

00:40:02 ◼ ► had so far [TS]

00:40:02 ◼ ► yes same here like it was one of those [TS]

00:40:04 ◼ ► things where we were both like yeah [TS]

00:40:05 ◼ ► we'll try it we'll see how it goes and [TS]

00:40:07 ◼ ► then Aaron and I looked at each other [TS]

00:40:08 ◼ ► after having had a few bright and we [TS]

00:40:10 ◼ ► were like wow is this code you like we [TS]

00:40:12 ◼ ► didn't expect it [TS]

00:40:13 ◼ ► yeah you can i found that have not been [TS]

00:40:14 ◼ ► able to predict like ahead of time which [TS]

00:40:16 ◼ ► ones are going to like which ones are [TS]

00:40:18 ◼ ► not going to mostly because I there you [TS]

00:40:19 ◼ ► know there are so very big you really [TS]

00:40:22 ◼ ► have no I have no like baseline to say [TS]

00:40:26 ◼ ► well i like that i don't know I've never [TS]

00:40:27 ◼ ► heard anything like that before and the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼ ► other thing I'd add this is getting out [TS]

00:40:31 ◼ ► of the everybody into like blue apron [TS]

00:40:33 ◼ ► hacks I don't know if this thing that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼ ► people do so say you sign up look blue [TS]

00:40:36 ◼ ► apron and you do it for a while and it's [TS]

00:40:38 ◼ ► like interesting it like one of the [TS]

00:40:39 ◼ ► reasons I think you should do it even if [TS]

00:40:41 ◼ ► you just do it for a short time is just [TS]

00:40:43 ◼ ► to see you try a bunch of different [TS]

00:40:44 ◼ ► foods or whatever and they give you like [TS]

00:40:47 ◼ ► the given credence and they also give [TS]

00:40:48 ◼ ► you like a no its you isn't always one [TS]

00:40:50 ◼ ► page market now like a one-page thing on [TS]

00:40:52 ◼ ► how to cook it that I've never seen it [TS]

00:40:54 ◼ ► be more than one pic it's always but [TS]

00:40:55 ◼ ► it's always one sheet of paper with [TS]

00:40:56 ◼ ► about eight steps in the back right and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼ ► it has the ingredients on the other side [TS]

00:41:00 ◼ ► right well the front of it has like a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼ ► big picture and a list of ingredients [TS]

00:41:02 ◼ ► and the back of it has like like a two [TS]

00:41:05 ◼ ► column grid of instructions with photos [TS]

00:41:07 ◼ ► of each step right so when you're done [TS]

00:41:09 ◼ ► with Ricky instead you decided not to [TS]

00:41:10 ◼ ► pay for it anymore [TS]

00:41:11 ◼ ► you still have all those recipes so if [TS]

00:41:13 ◼ ► you liked one of them in theory you [TS]

00:41:15 ◼ ► could go and make it yourself go buy the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼ ► ingredients yourself me not going to get [TS]

00:41:18 ◼ ► the perfect little portions the blue [TS]

00:41:19 ◼ ► apron games you see often just the [TS]

00:41:21 ◼ ► amount that maybe you have leftovers and [TS]

00:41:22 ◼ ► maybe you will have that [TS]

00:41:23 ◼ ► damn you know urban and the refrigerator [TS]

00:41:26 ◼ ► but you can make these again yourself [TS]

00:41:29 ◼ ► like there's no reason like if you find [TS]

00:41:30 ◼ ► one that super favorite just add it to [TS]

00:41:32 ◼ ► your collection of things that you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼ ► regularly make for yourself [TS]

00:41:35 ◼ ► yeah we've only been with blueprints for [TS]

00:41:37 ◼ ► only six months now we've been a bit was [TS]

00:41:39 ◼ ► long before they were sponsored we've [TS]

00:41:41 ◼ ► been using them and we we've been doing [TS]

00:41:42 ◼ ► that since the start we've collected all [TS]

00:41:44 ◼ ► of our for all the recipes we like we [TS]

00:41:45 ◼ ► just have this giant stack of the [TS]

00:41:46 ◼ ► typically on a bookshelf [TS]

00:41:48 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah and it brought the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼ ► problem i had i try want to make the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼ ► awesome i think it's like chicken costly [TS]

00:41:54 ◼ ► or something i'm sorry i forget i forget [TS]

00:41:56 ◼ ► the name of it is but is this awesome [TS]

00:41:57 ◼ ► chicken thai soup and I tried to go buy [TS]

00:42:00 ◼ ► the ingredients for last week and just [TS]

00:42:02 ◼ ► like my store had almost none of them [TS]

00:42:04 ◼ ► but the lights i will be using it a long [TS]

00:42:07 ◼ ► time and that that should tell you need [TS]

00:42:09 ◼ ► to know I mean we keep using it what I [TS]

00:42:10 ◼ ► like about it at this is way too long to [TS]

00:42:12 ◼ ► respond to read but I'm sorry what I [TS]

00:42:13 ◼ ► like about it is that with the reason we [TS]

00:42:16 ◼ ► said we did it was that we don't like to [TS]

00:42:17 ◼ ► have to think about like what are we [TS]

00:42:19 ◼ ► making this week and then plan huge like [TS]

00:42:21 ◼ ► that let we lasted like two weeks trying [TS]

00:42:23 ◼ ► to do that and every six months we will [TS]

00:42:25 ◼ ► try to do that again and we will just [TS]

00:42:27 ◼ ► fail so soon afterwards they take all [TS]

00:42:29 ◼ ► the decision-making advocates for it [TS]

00:42:30 ◼ ► which is really nice when when you just [TS]

00:42:33 ◼ ► don't want to have to make all of these [TS]

00:42:35 ◼ ► decisions about what are we having every [TS]

00:42:37 ◼ ► single night you know so it's really [TS]

00:42:38 ◼ ► nice for that chatroom says the recipes [TS]

00:42:41 ◼ ► are actually available online for free [TS]

00:42:42 ◼ ► blue apron calm / cookbook and also [TS]

00:42:45 ◼ ► their logo looks like totoro so there [TS]

00:42:46 ◼ ► you go [TS]

00:42:47 ◼ ► what market you're a spot right so all [TS]

00:42:50 ◼ ► right so we should we we should do some [TS]

00:42:52 ◼ ► follow-up and we have a fair bit so [TS]

00:42:54 ◼ ► let's buckle up kids let's start with we [TS]

00:42:56 ◼ ► talked about flex a little bit last [TS]

00:42:58 ◼ ► episode in or maybe the episode 4 but [TS]

00:43:00 ◼ ► regardless we got a lot of people [TS]

00:43:02 ◼ ► writing in to ask have you tried infused [TS]

00:43:05 ◼ ► for the apple TV and we'll have a link [TS]

00:43:06 ◼ ► in the show notes the idea within infuse [TS]

00:43:09 ◼ ► is that it's somewhat plex like in that [TS]

00:43:11 ◼ ► it will autodiscover metadata about your [TS]

00:43:15 ◼ ► your media collection so it will show [TS]

00:43:18 ◼ ► you your list of movies with with movie [TS]

00:43:21 ◼ ► posters and things of that nature but [TS]

00:43:23 ◼ ► the real the real kick in the real the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼ ► party trick that infuse has from what [TS]

00:43:29 ◼ ► I've gathered is that it will actually [TS]

00:43:31 ◼ ► do the transcoding on your device so [TS]

00:43:34 ◼ ► really there's no [TS]

00:43:36 ◼ ► there's no reason that you couldn't just [TS]

00:43:38 ◼ ► sit a bunch of files on an undermanned [TS]

00:43:40 ◼ ► on a underpowered synology and let [TS]

00:43:44 ◼ ► infuse just look at it and then do the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼ ► transcoding right on the appletv that is [TS]

00:43:49 ◼ ► excellent and it sounds great i haven't [TS]

00:43:50 ◼ ► tried it yet but it does sound good [TS]

00:43:52 ◼ ► the problem I have with this though is [TS]

00:43:53 ◼ ► that it doesn't solve a couple of the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼ ► other problems that that I that flex [TS]

00:43:58 ◼ ► does pics which is number one it doesn't [TS]

00:44:01 ◼ ► give you external access to your media [TS]

00:44:03 ◼ ► so one of the greatest pieces of plex is [TS]

00:44:06 ◼ ► that you can get to your media from [TS]

00:44:07 ◼ ► outside of your home if you set it up [TS]

00:44:09 ◼ ► properly and secondly you can't share [TS]

00:44:12 ◼ ► other people's libraries so like Marco [TS]

00:44:14 ◼ ► and John and I we've all shared our [TS]

00:44:16 ◼ ► libraries with each other so that Marco [TS]

00:44:19 ◼ ► for example could stream one of the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼ ► movies that i have been doing it all [TS]

00:44:22 ◼ ► week him from my house to his house [TS]

00:44:26 ◼ ► we've been watching through your top [TS]

00:44:27 ◼ ► gear well right in the reason that [TS]

00:44:28 ◼ ► hasn't worked for the last 24 hours is [TS]

00:44:30 ◼ ► because I moved all my plex stuff to the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼ ► imac that's now my trunk but anyway so [TS]

00:44:35 ◼ ► yeah so it doesn't do that it doesn't do [TS]

00:44:37 ◼ ► external access and doesn't sharing yeah [TS]

00:44:39 ◼ ► I tried to infuse as soon as people [TS]

00:44:40 ◼ ► suggested because i'll jump on top of [TS]

00:44:41 ◼ ► anything like as soon as we talked about [TS]

00:44:42 ◼ ► i don't know i was like many many shows [TS]

00:44:44 ◼ ► are great if used by I immediately [TS]

00:44:46 ◼ ► bought the ten-dollar like pro version [TS]

00:44:48 ◼ ► whatever yes sure go come right now i'll [TS]

00:44:50 ◼ ► give it a dry side on seeing you know [TS]

00:44:51 ◼ ► because I got two recommendations from [TS]

00:44:53 ◼ ► it from random strangers but the reason [TS]

00:44:56 ◼ ► the whole reason i wanted it i'm trying [TS]

00:44:58 ◼ ► to support the app economy the whole [TS]

00:44:59 ◼ ► reason you're the one i had this file [TS]

00:45:03 ◼ ► that i was trying to play that I had to [TS]

00:45:06 ◼ ► eventually end up using my eyes when I [TS]

00:45:08 ◼ ► use my imac is the flexor for because [TS]

00:45:10 ◼ ► the imac is no problem transcoding it [TS]

00:45:11 ◼ ► the Plex served from the imac to my [TS]

00:45:14 ◼ ► appletv was the only thing that played [TS]

00:45:17 ◼ ► this thing with all you know but played [TS]

00:45:20 ◼ ► at all period but played smoothly and [TS]

00:45:21 ◼ ► everything so i tried to use I mean look [TS]

00:45:23 ◼ ► at those and that exact file which turns [TS]

00:45:25 ◼ ► out is this is the info from mplayer so [TS]

00:45:27 ◼ ► I don't know how to parse it but it's [TS]

00:45:29 ◼ ► hevc which i think is h.264 particular [TS]

00:45:32 ◼ ► profile 1920 x 1080 so 1080i don't know [TS]

00:45:36 ◼ ► what I or pse misspeak it's a video file [TS]

00:45:39 ◼ ► 24 frames per second about 1,100 [TS]

00:45:43 ◼ ► kilobits per second to track 48 [TS]

00:45:46 ◼ ► kilohertz AAC audio [TS]

00:45:48 ◼ ► the appletv can't play without [TS]

00:45:50 ◼ ► stuttering so it's it's it's the it's in [TS]

00:45:53 ◼ ► decoding on the device [TS]

00:45:55 ◼ ► you can't handle this so i was sad [TS]

00:45:56 ◼ ► because that was the one reason i bought [TS]

00:45:58 ◼ ► it but aside from that it's a reasonable [TS]

00:46:01 ◼ ► like wait like it Casey said if you have [TS]

00:46:03 ◼ ► a whole bunch of folders full of video [TS]

00:46:06 ◼ ► files sitting somewhere in your network [TS]

00:46:08 ◼ ► this will go through the folders and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼ ► play stuff for you and so I'm not sad [TS]

00:46:13 ◼ ► that I partners that I am said that [TS]

00:46:14 ◼ ► apparently their software combined with [TS]

00:46:18 ◼ ► the wimpy eight relatively 28 cpu [TS]

00:46:22 ◼ ► system-on-a-chip thing inside my appletv [TS]

00:46:24 ◼ ► can't play this fairly demanding file [TS]

00:46:27 ◼ ► and i already watched also i watch it on [TS]

00:46:29 ◼ ► my iPad by the way what I did was I [TS]

00:46:30 ◼ ► wanted to plex and finally I finally had [TS]

00:46:32 ◼ ► to give in and say fine flex you can [TS]

00:46:35 ◼ ► optimize this Court optimize it by Kyrie [TS]

00:46:38 ◼ ► including into a smaller size and then I [TS]

00:46:40 ◼ ► watched it on my TV and on my iPad over [TS]

00:46:41 ◼ ► the course of a few days is that you [TS]

00:46:43 ◼ ► said this was hevc video because that's [TS]

00:46:46 ◼ ► h.265 that's kind of a big deal [TS]

00:46:48 ◼ ► that's like that's it's very reasonable [TS]

00:46:50 ◼ ► to not be strong enough to play that [TS]

00:46:52 ◼ ► well that's probably doesn't have it [TS]

00:46:54 ◼ ► doesn't have the hardware i was remember [TS]

00:46:55 ◼ ► reading about some apple thing that [TS]

00:46:57 ◼ ► actually has h.265 hardware but it isn't [TS]

00:47:00 ◼ ► actually used but anyway yeah that would [TS]

00:47:02 ◼ ► make sense in that like I infused [TS]

00:47:04 ◼ ► probably does great because the aid has [TS]

00:47:07 ◼ ► dedicated h.264 decode hardware but if [TS]

00:47:09 ◼ ► it's not h.264 and instead of h.265 and [TS]

00:47:12 ◼ ► is this magic doesn't have hardware for [TS]

00:47:14 ◼ ► it or the hardware isn't enabled by [TS]

00:47:16 ◼ ► apple's OS then you would have to be [TS]

00:47:18 ◼ ► trying to draw on the cpu and I can [TS]

00:47:19 ◼ ► understand why would choke to death [TS]

00:47:21 ◼ ► yeah I'm i also should point out that [TS]

00:47:24 ◼ ► just earlier today I listen to mac power [TS]

00:47:27 ◼ ► users episode 2 99 which we will put a [TS]

00:47:30 ◼ ► link in the show notes and if you've [TS]

00:47:32 ◼ ► ever wanted a unbiased opinion about are [TS]

00:47:36 ◼ ► certainly not by me opinion about plex [TS]

00:47:38 ◼ ► if you've wondered how to get started [TS]

00:47:41 ◼ ► with it if you've wondered what it what [TS]

00:47:43 ◼ ► it brings to the table [TS]

00:47:44 ◼ ► listen to back our users 299 is really [TS]

00:47:46 ◼ ► great episode that goes on to all into [TS]

00:47:48 ◼ ► plex [TS]

00:47:48 ◼ ► so you should check that out here's one [TS]

00:47:50 ◼ ► more drive-by complained about flex [TS]

00:47:51 ◼ ► which I cannot believe that they don't [TS]

00:47:53 ◼ ► do I just assume they did maybe I'm [TS]

00:47:54 ◼ ► and yet so you you have a blog post [TS]

00:47:56 ◼ ► where you can link in the show notes [TS]

00:47:57 ◼ ► Casey about like introduction to plex [TS]

00:47:59 ◼ ► that you did that a while ago like how [TS]

00:48:01 ◼ ► to name your files linking to like the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼ ► Plex file naming guide and figure out [TS]

00:48:04 ◼ ► I'm like and I wondered when i read that [TS]

00:48:06 ◼ ► the time like because I wasn't using [TS]

00:48:08 ◼ ► flex that much like this seems weird me [TS]

00:48:10 ◼ ► why is he doing this just because like [TS]

00:48:12 ◼ ► if you want to have everything perfect [TS]

00:48:13 ◼ ► just do it this way but like surely [TS]

00:48:15 ◼ ► there's a feature in this thing where [TS]

00:48:16 ◼ ► you can essentially just find some media [TS]

00:48:18 ◼ ► that he didn't either a shrug your [TS]

00:48:20 ◼ ► shoulders a tour has misidentified and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼ ► say all you got it wrong and go in there [TS]

00:48:24 ◼ ► and just type some random words in the [TS]

00:48:25 ◼ ► search box until you find the surgeries [TS]

00:48:27 ◼ ► all you want to go yes that one so like [TS]

00:48:29 ◼ ► say you mislabeled star wars or [TS]

00:48:31 ◼ ► something and it is confused about what [TS]

00:48:33 ◼ ► it is you know I got well you don't know [TS]

00:48:35 ◼ ► what this is because i have the the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼ ► files named we're whatever so I'm just [TS]

00:48:38 ◼ ► going to go in your search box and type [TS]

00:48:40 ◼ ► star wars and see the 8000 results for [TS]

00:48:42 ◼ ► star wars and find the one that is not [TS]

00:48:43 ◼ ► the special edition but the original [TS]

00:48:45 ◼ ► 1977 version just click on that one so [TS]

00:48:47 ◼ ► yeah this is that one is that feature [TS]

00:48:49 ◼ ► not exist and flex it exists I can't [TS]

00:48:51 ◼ ► find it does i can't find it [TS]

00:48:53 ◼ ► I could swear it does but I can't walk [TS]

00:48:55 ◼ ► you through where it is because my imac [TS]

00:48:56 ◼ ► is too much fuckin money maybe I haven't [TS]

00:48:59 ◼ ► found it yet but every time I go to edit [TS]

00:49:00 ◼ ► the metadata it's like you know if I [TS]

00:49:03 ◼ ► name the file then yeah we'll figure it [TS]

00:49:05 ◼ ► out if I don't name the file right all i [TS]

00:49:07 ◼ ► can do is like a pic cover art to stop [TS]

00:49:08 ◼ ► it is totally wrong about the metadata I [TS]

00:49:11 ◼ ► can't do a search and say surely the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼ ► database that you are using has this [TS]

00:49:15 ◼ ► metadata and that you're just not [TS]

00:49:16 ◼ ► finding the right one [TS]

00:49:17 ◼ ► so rather than me editing the individual [TS]

00:49:19 ◼ ► mandate which I don't want to do I just [TS]

00:49:20 ◼ ► want to say let me do a search of your [TS]

00:49:23 ◼ ► big database cool stuff like a pretty [TS]

00:49:25 ◼ ► broad search and let me pick the blob of [TS]

00:49:27 ◼ ► metadata that I'm telling you is this [TS]

00:49:28 ◼ ► one so that I can manually fix [TS]

00:49:30 ◼ ► everything that I had like so that if I [TS]

00:49:32 ◼ ► didn't know how to label like some you [TS]

00:49:34 ◼ ► know special of a show like a christmas [TS]

00:49:36 ◼ ► special the show that's not part of any [TS]

00:49:38 ◼ ► particular season I didn't know the [TS]

00:49:39 ◼ ► secret season 0 weird you know [TS]

00:49:42 ◼ ► convention they have to be like oh well [TS]

00:49:43 ◼ ► let me just do a chronological certain [TS]

00:49:46 ◼ ► search of the most recent episodes from [TS]

00:49:47 ◼ ► this series and i will find whatever [TS]

00:49:50 ◼ ► blob of metadata corresponds to this and [TS]

00:49:52 ◼ ► then click on it will automatically [TS]

00:49:53 ◼ ► label it's like season 0 I would never [TS]

00:49:55 ◼ ► figure that out my [TS]

00:49:56 ◼ ► anyway we still still working through my [TS]

00:49:59 ◼ ► expertise [TS]

00:50:00 ◼ ► yeah you know the thing with flexes its [TS]

00:50:02 ◼ ► very opinionated about file names and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼ ► file conventions but once you understand [TS]

00:50:06 ◼ ► its opinions it's actually very simple [TS]

00:50:08 ◼ ► to to work with and that's what my blog [TS]

00:50:10 ◼ ► post was about i am almost positive the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼ ► feature that you're talking about John [TS]

00:50:13 ◼ ► about fixing mismatches i'm almost sure [TS]

00:50:16 ◼ ► it's there but i don't want to say that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼ ► for certainty because i can't try it [TS]

00:50:20 ◼ ► right now because again my plex server [TS]

00:50:22 ◼ ► is currently in the trunk of my car [TS]

00:50:23 ◼ ► yeah i'll keep looking for it but uh the [TS]

00:50:26 ◼ ► the thing with the opinionated naming [TS]

00:50:28 ◼ ► its opinions are wrong so I refuse to [TS]

00:50:31 ◼ ► comply I know the name is he may have [TS]

00:50:33 ◼ ► read the documentation but there's no [TS]

00:50:35 ◼ ► way in hell I'm putting a year in [TS]

00:50:36 ◼ ► parenthesis at the end of my movies or [TS]

00:50:38 ◼ ► television shows no and I object to [TS]

00:50:40 ◼ ► season 0 I don't like for the record [TS]

00:50:44 ◼ ► season 04 for TV shows and specials so [TS]

00:50:47 ◼ ► like the top your polar special for [TS]

00:50:49 ◼ ► example would be a season 0 entry anyway [TS]

00:50:52 ◼ ► uh we have a fair bit of feedback about [TS]

00:50:53 ◼ ► Swift and default final and and i'm [TS]

00:50:56 ◼ ► stunned I'm flabbergasted [TS]

00:50:58 ◼ ► it appears that Marco has done some [TS]

00:51:00 ◼ ► homework and put something in the show [TS]

00:51:01 ◼ ► notes I flat an email yeah wow yeah i [TS]

00:51:04 ◼ ► hit three keys to make this happen [TS]

00:51:05 ◼ ► are you okay do you feel right no all [TS]

00:51:10 ◼ ► right so this was a feedback from nick [TS]

00:51:12 ◼ ► my caucus from a longer email is very [TS]

00:51:15 ◼ ► thoughtful memory just a quote here he [TS]

00:51:17 ◼ ► says we're talking about Swift basically [TS]

00:51:19 ◼ ► having having classes be default final [TS]

00:51:22 ◼ ► as as a proposed change the language [TS]

00:51:24 ◼ ► during the revolution that's kind of a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼ ► debate raging on right now and this [TS]

00:51:28 ◼ ► would mean basically that by default [TS]

00:51:29 ◼ ► classes could be subclassed that you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼ ► could supply seems to exist in the [TS]

00:51:33 ◼ ► language but rather but the default [TS]

00:51:35 ◼ ► unless the class was specially marked [TS]

00:51:37 ◼ ► with whatever keyword would say you know [TS]

00:51:39 ◼ ► extensible or whatever that the default [TS]

00:51:41 ◼ ► will be u cant some class things so nick [TS]

00:51:43 ◼ ► says the late eighties and early [TS]

00:51:45 ◼ ► nineties with the heyday for [TS]

00:51:47 ◼ ► object-oriented programming language [TS]

00:51:48 ◼ ► designed in that time like c++ get to [TS]

00:51:51 ◼ ► see in Java it was taken as a given that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼ ► subclassing was a good thing and should [TS]

00:51:54 ◼ ► be used pervasively however a couple of [TS]

00:51:56 ◼ ► decades of experiences with such [TS]

00:51:58 ◼ ► languages has led to two key insight i [TS]

00:52:00 ◼ ► think we've learned as an industry the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼ ► first met in order to write classes that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼ ► can be robustly extended through [TS]

00:52:05 ◼ ► inheritance allowing both the base and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼ ► derived classes to evolve with minimal [TS]

00:52:09 ◼ ► risk of breaking each other [TS]

00:52:10 ◼ ► see also the fragile base class problem [TS]

00:52:11 ◼ ► careful consideration should be given at [TS]

00:52:14 ◼ ► the time the classes designed and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼ ► written i think this argues for default [TS]

00:52:17 ◼ ► close [TS]

00:52:18 ◼ ► I think we've learned even more [TS]

00:52:19 ◼ ► important lesson though which is the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼ ► class inheritance should be thought of [TS]

00:52:22 ◼ ► as a limited tool to solve a prescribed [TS]

00:52:24 ◼ ► set of problems not a general mechanism [TS]

00:52:27 ◼ ► for code reuse so this makes a lot of [TS]

00:52:29 ◼ ► sense to me like this i totally agree [TS]

00:52:31 ◼ ► with Nick you know I I think I i kinda [TS]

00:52:33 ◼ ► breeze by Latin we talked about this [TS]

00:52:35 ◼ ► last week a quick statement basically [TS]

00:52:37 ◼ ► saying like I think we've seen a lot of [TS]

00:52:38 ◼ ► anti-patterns and and dysfunction that [TS]

00:52:40 ◼ ► subclassing everywhere can bring and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼ ► some of the challenges of bringing some [TS]

00:52:44 ◼ ► other i think i agree that that you know [TS]

00:52:46 ◼ ► what we've seen is that it basically [TS]

00:52:48 ◼ ► shouldn't be the default thats [TS]

00:52:51 ◼ ► everywhere and the java people will will [TS]

00:52:54 ◼ ► have to find a different way to program [TS]

00:52:56 ◼ ► i guess and and they can take it and the [TS]

00:52:58 ◼ ► PHP people have to find something to [TS]

00:52:59 ◼ ► copy it was actually a pretty pretty old [TS]

00:53:02 ◼ ► no-good of wisdom the whole that the the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼ ► downsides of subclassing and you can [TS]

00:53:08 ◼ ► tell it's old because objective-c is in [TS]

00:53:12 ◼ ► many ways a reaction to it objective-c [TS]

00:53:13 ◼ ► is like nineteen eighty nine ish like it [TS]

00:53:15 ◼ ► is itself a very old language and not [TS]

00:53:18 ◼ ► objective c so much more like the [TS]

00:53:19 ◼ ► frameworks built on a napkin or whatever [TS]

00:53:21 ◼ ► it was called I think maybe was always [TS]

00:53:23 ◼ ► called app but anyway the next the next [TS]

00:53:25 ◼ ► step frameworks especially the UI [TS]

00:53:27 ◼ ► frameworks use delegation a lot a lot [TS]

00:53:30 ◼ ► more than contemporary frameworks for [TS]

00:53:33 ◼ ► doing similar things that were all about [TS]

00:53:34 ◼ ► subclassing they were either you know [TS]

00:53:36 ◼ ► functional much because they don't have [TS]

00:53:37 ◼ ► object classes at all or they were [TS]

00:53:39 ◼ ► enamored of the idea of subclassing but [TS]

00:53:42 ◼ ► the next api's and frameworks heavily [TS]

00:53:45 ◼ ► used the delegation patterns to avoid [TS]

00:53:48 ◼ ► subclassing to say this is a better way [TS]

00:53:50 ◼ ► that way we have understandable [TS]

00:53:51 ◼ ► individual objects that just use each [TS]

00:53:54 ◼ ► other to do things and the way you alter [TS]

00:53:57 ◼ ► behavior is by giving it a different [TS]

00:53:59 ◼ ► delegate I mean how that's essentially [TS]

00:54:00 ◼ ► Marco correct me if I'm wrong [TS]

00:54:03 ◼ ► the the next equivalent of like you know [TS]

00:54:05 ◼ ► you don't write a main routine there is [TS]

00:54:07 ◼ ► a main routine obviously but your app [TS]

00:54:09 ◼ ► delegate is basically your application [TS]

00:54:11 ◼ ► am I am i correct in my vague [TS]

00:54:13 ◼ ► understanding of the cocoa frameworks [TS]

00:54:16 ◼ ► yeah you don't subclass your application [TS]

00:54:18 ◼ ► like you right you provide a delegate [TS]

00:54:20 ◼ ► that conforms to the protocol and you [TS]

00:54:22 ◼ ► get messages delivered there [TS]

00:54:23 ◼ ► and if you don't pay attention that [TS]

00:54:25 ◼ ► blows over time and eventually all of [TS]

00:54:27 ◼ ► the code in your app is in the app [TS]

00:54:28 ◼ ► delegate well then that's like reading [TS]

00:54:30 ◼ ► all your coat and main like a rookie [TS]

00:54:32 ◼ ► mistake but yeah but yeah but like so [TS]

00:54:34 ◼ ► even even like the the very simplest [TS]

00:54:37 ◼ ► starting point of your program is done [TS]

00:54:39 ◼ ► through delegation and lots of the UI [TS]

00:54:41 ◼ ► frameworks are done through delegation [TS]

00:54:42 ◼ ► because and then you know delegation [TS]

00:54:44 ◼ ► eventually not not specific delegation [TS]

00:54:49 ◼ ► but I trying to avoid inheritance can [TS]

00:54:51 ◼ ► lead you to a sort of be the inversion [TS]

00:54:55 ◼ ► of control pattern which kind of weird [TS]

00:54:56 ◼ ► nasty speaking of java where you're [TS]

00:54:58 ◼ ► trying to use composition instead of [TS]

00:55:00 ◼ ► inheritance but you want to give people [TS]

00:55:02 ◼ ► access to the different pieces they get [TS]

00:55:04 ◼ ► composed into the hole and so your [TS]

00:55:07 ◼ ► entire program is dictating what things [TS]

00:55:09 ◼ ► are composed into what to get your [TS]

00:55:11 ◼ ► classes the parts we need to go anyway [TS]

00:55:13 ◼ ► any any sort of program code reuse [TS]

00:55:16 ◼ ► essentially technology a code reuse [TS]

00:55:18 ◼ ► technique whether its inheritance of [TS]

00:55:19 ◼ ► delegation or composition or any other [TS]

00:55:21 ◼ ► patterns in the little bit pattern books [TS]

00:55:22 ◼ ► can go awry but i think pretty early on [TS]

00:55:25 ◼ ► in the history of your program the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼ ► downsides of inheritance were clear and [TS]

00:55:31 ◼ ► anything that came after that sort of [TS]

00:55:33 ◼ ► understanding has tried to do something [TS]

00:55:35 ◼ ► different including the things that were [TS]

00:55:38 ◼ ► the precursors to the frameworks that [TS]

00:55:40 ◼ ► apple now uses but we were talking about [TS]

00:55:42 ◼ ► in the context of like even a napkin you [TS]

00:55:43 ◼ ► like it and all these frameworks that [TS]

00:55:44 ◼ ► use delegation patterns as application [TS]

00:55:47 ◼ ► programmers often you subclass either [TS]

00:55:50 ◼ ► because that's the intended use of the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼ ► things still in some cases or because [TS]

00:55:53 ◼ ► you like that thing but you just wanted [TS]

00:55:55 ◼ ► to be a little bit different or you need [TS]

00:55:57 ◼ ► to just ride this bitch is out you know [TS]

00:55:59 ◼ ► like because it's possible it is a tool [TS]

00:56:02 ◼ ► that's in the tool belt of programmers [TS]

00:56:03 ◼ ► to get what they want and frameworks [TS]

00:56:05 ◼ ► whether or not the framework really ever [TS]

00:56:06 ◼ ► intended you to subclass that thing [TS]

00:56:08 ◼ ► yep alright so another thing that was [TS]

00:56:11 ◼ ► written in andrea's hartal mom he made [TS]

00:56:14 ◼ ► some great points about mocking using [TS]

00:56:16 ◼ ► Swift he said there's another unforeseen [TS]

00:56:18 ◼ ► consequence of going final by default [TS]

00:56:20 ◼ ► test that could have used mocks to [TS]

00:56:22 ◼ ► ensure their framework method is was [TS]

00:56:24 ◼ ► called can't do that anymore this is [TS]

00:56:26 ◼ ► because much reliance subclassing to [TS]

00:56:28 ◼ ► replace all API functionality with no [TS]

00:56:29 ◼ ► ops i'm not going to get into what [TS]

00:56:31 ◼ ► marketing is if you're not familiar with [TS]

00:56:33 ◼ ► it but suffice to say that [TS]

00:56:35 ◼ ► the last couple of years I've really [TS]

00:56:37 ◼ ► gotten into unit testing like formal [TS]

00:56:40 ◼ ► unit testing and mocking is kind of your [TS]

00:56:42 ◼ ► path to happiness there and it's what [TS]

00:56:45 ◼ ► really made me understand why do for [TS]

00:56:47 ◼ ► designing two interfaces or protocols if [TS]

00:56:49 ◼ ► you will is really kind of the right [TS]

00:56:50 ◼ ► idea and that's that's that's not an [TS]

00:56:53 ◼ ► insignificant problem if this is the way [TS]

00:56:56 ◼ ► that Swift goes so I thought that was [TS]

00:56:57 ◼ ► very very astute point it seems like [TS]

00:57:00 ◼ ► it's not a significant problem to me [TS]

00:57:01 ◼ ► because I assume there would always be a [TS]

00:57:04 ◼ ► compiler mode that says disregard the [TS]

00:57:06 ◼ ► final keyword you know me like fruits [TS]

00:57:07 ◼ ► for when you when you run your unit [TS]

00:57:09 ◼ ► tests don't see anything up his final [TS]

00:57:12 ◼ ► because it shouldn't it shouldn't affect [TS]

00:57:13 ◼ ► functionality it maybe you disable some [TS]

00:57:15 ◼ ► optimizations and maybe you wouldn't [TS]

00:57:16 ◼ ► have a bug for bug compatible thing in [TS]

00:57:19 ◼ ► terms of maybe like a bug in the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼ ► compiler that causes the optimization [TS]

00:57:21 ◼ ► goes the ride but it seems trivial to me [TS]

00:57:24 ◼ ► to have a compiler option that says you [TS]

00:57:28 ◼ ► just ignore final entirely like don't [TS]

00:57:31 ◼ ► see a lot of any classes or change the [TS]

00:57:34 ◼ ► default is or something like that that [TS]

00:57:36 ◼ ► allows you to mock in your unit tests [TS]

00:57:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's an interesting point I [TS]

00:57:40 ◼ ► don't know how that that would be [TS]

00:57:41 ◼ ► handled moving on Neal Cronin was one of [TS]

00:57:44 ◼ ► the few people to write in and point out [TS]

00:57:46 ◼ ► the error in what I or potentially earn [TS]

00:57:48 ◼ ► what I'd said i don't recall exactly how [TS]

00:57:49 ◼ ► i phrase things but it sounds like I [TS]

00:57:51 ◼ ► probably got a little wrong I'm he [TS]

00:57:53 ◼ ► pointed out that C sharp methods are [TS]

00:57:56 ◼ ► final by default but classes or not and [TS]

00:58:00 ◼ ► so I think I might have interspersed [TS]

00:58:02 ◼ ► classes and methods a little bit last [TS]

00:58:04 ◼ ► episode but to be absolutely clear [TS]

00:58:05 ◼ ► classes are not final by default but [TS]

00:58:08 ◼ ► methods are so that's my bad on that [TS]

00:58:10 ◼ ► will have a link in the show notes to [TS]

00:58:12 ◼ ► that also a chris d i'm not gonna even [TS]

00:58:17 ◼ ► try to pronounce your surname i come [TS]

00:58:19 ◼ ► back and i go with some back [TS]

00:58:21 ◼ ► ok you go i pointed out that you can do [TS]

00:58:24 ◼ ► something like final objective c with a [TS]

00:58:27 ◼ ► couple of the [TS]

00:58:29 ◼ ► fancy compiler directives you put enough [TS]

00:58:32 ◼ ► underscores and anything is possible c [TS]

00:58:34 ◼ ► c++ underscore underscore attribute [TS]

00:58:37 ◼ ► underscore underscore double open paren [TS]

00:58:39 ◼ ► zob see subclassing restricted double [TS]

00:58:42 ◼ ► close parenthese yes there are so many [TS]

00:58:44 ◼ ► attributes you can add you can annotate [TS]

00:58:46 ◼ ► all your things with no ability [TS]

00:58:48 ◼ ► information for this with bridging and [TS]

00:58:50 ◼ ► you can say objective-c subclassing [TS]

00:58:53 ◼ ► restricted that's from jesse Squires [TS]

00:58:55 ◼ ► gave that little attribute yikes [TS]

00:58:57 ◼ ► goodness [TS]

00:58:59 ◼ ► alright and then one of you guys wanted [TS]

00:59:01 ◼ ► to talk about rust vs Swift vs go [TS]

00:59:04 ◼ ► yeah those me uh the rest people have [TS]

00:59:06 ◼ ► come out to defend the honor of their [TS]

00:59:09 ◼ ► language and to differentiate it from [TS]

00:59:10 ◼ ► those other things go and switch we're [TS]

00:59:12 ◼ ► talking about the languages that are [TS]

00:59:14 ◼ ► kind of in a little group of these [TS]

00:59:15 ◼ ► static compiled languages with an eye [TS]

00:59:20 ◼ ► towards being a better c++ without all [TS]

00:59:23 ◼ ► the downsides c or c++ you know things [TS]

00:59:26 ◼ ► like Swift essentially and Benjamin sog [TS]

00:59:31 ◼ ► oh yes points out that rust I mean you [TS]

00:59:34 ◼ ► mentioned the show but his amp has [TS]

00:59:36 ◼ ► emphasized by a lot of people trust is [TS]

00:59:38 ◼ ► not garbage collected going to go use [TS]

00:59:40 ◼ ► the garbage collector runtime Swift of [TS]

00:59:41 ◼ ► course uses reference counting that [TS]

00:59:43 ◼ ► means their programs you can write [TS]

00:59:44 ◼ ► address that you couldn't write and [TS]

00:59:45 ◼ ► Swift ago such as graphics intensive [TS]

00:59:47 ◼ ► game a browser enter an OS device driver [TS]

00:59:49 ◼ ► or a garbage collector or anything that [TS]

00:59:51 ◼ ► has to interact with the language that [TS]

00:59:52 ◼ ► has its own garbage collector now I [TS]

00:59:54 ◼ ► would imagine the Swift people at the [TS]

00:59:56 ◼ ► very least would object to the idea that [TS]

00:59:58 ◼ ► you can't write a graphics intensive [TS]

00:59:59 ◼ ► game [TS]

01:00:00 ◼ ► aim your browser engine or no it's [TS]

01:00:02 ◼ ► because of the state of goals of Swift [TS]

01:00:03 ◼ ► oh yeah and i would even object to his [TS]

01:00:06 ◼ ► characterization of garbage pile of [TS]

01:00:07 ◼ ► reference counting as a form of garbage [TS]

01:00:09 ◼ ► collection I don't think I don't think I [TS]

01:00:10 ◼ ► agree with that but he's talking about [TS]

01:00:11 ◼ ► is like a my understanding and I'm sure [TS]

01:00:13 ◼ ► we'll get more email about this breasts [TS]

01:00:15 ◼ ► because I have enough on my homework is [TS]

01:00:16 ◼ ► that the way rest gets around not having [TS]

01:00:18 ◼ ► a garbage collector and not doing [TS]

01:00:20 ◼ ► reference counting is at compile-time it [TS]

01:00:22 ◼ ► figures out the the what it has to do [TS]

01:00:25 ◼ ► with memory rather than a Triton you [TS]

01:00:28 ◼ ► know another was not like that the dance [TS]

01:00:31 ◼ ► competition you know we know it's like [TS]

01:00:32 ◼ ► it's some point you have to go wander [TS]

01:00:34 ◼ ► all of your stuff and clean out the [TS]

01:00:35 ◼ ► garbage and that takes time and even if [TS]

01:00:37 ◼ ► you do another thread that some point [TS]

01:00:40 ◼ ► you may need to pause the the the [TS]

01:00:42 ◼ ► program and if you don't need deposit [TS]

01:00:43 ◼ ► you have a pause for garbage like [TS]

01:00:44 ◼ ► there's always some kind of overhead of [TS]

01:00:46 ◼ ► having to do the garbage collection at [TS]

01:00:49 ◼ ► while your program is running and the [TS]

01:00:51 ◼ ► sweat solution and the vector Susan [TS]

01:00:54 ◼ ► solution for that matter what the [TS]

01:00:55 ◼ ► solution is figure out what you do use [TS]

01:00:59 ◼ ► reference counting to figure out when [TS]

01:01:00 ◼ ► things aren't needed anymore and put the [TS]

01:01:02 ◼ ► reference count put the stuff that deals [TS]

01:01:04 ◼ ► with the reference counted in line with [TS]

01:01:06 ◼ ► your program so while your program is [TS]

01:01:08 ◼ ► running it will do this thing to this [TS]

01:01:09 ◼ ► thing increments record try and do this [TS]

01:01:11 ◼ ► thing to this thing this thing decrement [TS]

01:01:12 ◼ ► this reference count like market goes to [TS]

01:01:14 ◼ ► 0 you can you know get rid of that [TS]

01:01:16 ◼ ► memory and you know so it's it's in line [TS]

01:01:19 ◼ ► in your program its actual code [TS]

01:01:20 ◼ ► execution is not another thread running [TS]

01:01:22 ◼ ► a garbage collector or anything like [TS]

01:01:23 ◼ ► that it's like it's as if you had [TS]

01:01:25 ◼ ► written in your program in c policy [TS]

01:01:26 ◼ ► running Malcolm free right you know when [TS]

01:01:28 ◼ ► you can free the memory because that's [TS]

01:01:29 ◼ ► when you write the free thing and you [TS]

01:01:31 ◼ ► know when you're allocating memory right [TS]

01:01:32 ◼ ► Malik and you have to figure out you [TS]

01:01:34 ◼ ► know it's it's reference counting but [TS]

01:01:36 ◼ ► it's in line and so in some code you [TS]

01:01:38 ◼ ► don't want this bookkeeping of [TS]

01:01:40 ◼ ► incrementing and decrementing this [TS]

01:01:42 ◼ ► number to keep track of how many [TS]

01:01:43 ◼ ► references there are you just don't like [TS]

01:01:46 ◼ ► when you're writing the the kernel of an [TS]

01:01:47 ◼ ► operating system and see most of the [TS]

01:01:49 ◼ ► time you're not implementing your [TS]

01:01:51 ◼ ► reference counting system you're just [TS]

01:01:52 ◼ ► putting that the malakin right place and [TS]

01:01:53 ◼ ► putting three is in the right place or [TS]

01:01:54 ◼ ► if you're in a particular part of the [TS]

01:01:57 ◼ ► colonel you can use my locker free [TS]

01:01:59 ◼ ► you've got to do everything with wire [TS]

01:02:00 ◼ ► down memory and so you can't have [TS]

01:02:03 ◼ ► anything having to you know like it's [TS]

01:02:04 ◼ ► not it's not appropriate to have [TS]

01:02:06 ◼ ► automated memory management in that way [TS]

01:02:09 ◼ ► i would imagine the answer Swift is that [TS]

01:02:13 ◼ ► you can write those parts of the program [TS]

01:02:14 ◼ ► if you understand enough out about us [TS]

01:02:16 ◼ ► with managers memory even though you [TS]

01:02:18 ◼ ► don't see any of the memory management [TS]

01:02:20 ◼ ► you can do it in such a way that you [TS]

01:02:21 ◼ ► know that all of the silly reference [TS]

01:02:24 ◼ ► counting increment decrement stuff will [TS]

01:02:26 ◼ ► be removed by the optimizer as no ops [TS]

01:02:29 ◼ ► because you know exactly how you know [TS]

01:02:30 ◼ ► how things are going to get sorted out [TS]

01:02:32 ◼ ► and this thing will run straight through [TS]

01:02:33 ◼ ► without any memory access stuff but [TS]

01:02:35 ◼ ► still rust is heavily focused on the [TS]

01:02:36 ◼ ► idea that it does not use a garbage [TS]

01:02:38 ◼ ► collector and it doesn't use reference [TS]

01:02:40 ◼ ► counting so it's really trying to be [TS]

01:02:41 ◼ ► like c and c++ they both of them do not [TS]

01:02:44 ◼ ► have garbage collections and they don't [TS]

01:02:45 ◼ ► use reference count unless you read it [TS]

01:02:46 ◼ ► yourself so Russ is definitely a closer [TS]

01:02:49 ◼ ► closer match to a replacement for those [TS]

01:02:52 ◼ ► programs and I right do believe that [TS]

01:02:54 ◼ ► there are probably some programs [TS]

01:02:55 ◼ ► especially now with such as young it is [TS]

01:02:58 ◼ ► that could be written in rust that could [TS]

01:03:00 ◼ ► not be written as efficiently and Swift [TS]

01:03:02 ◼ ► but long-term that I think that will be [TS]

01:03:04 ◼ ► quite a battle all right anything else [TS]

01:03:07 ◼ ► about Swift please know right how about [TS]

01:03:11 ◼ ► a magsafe and USB seaports last episode [TS]

01:03:15 ◼ ► i think we're talking about the macbook [TS]

01:03:17 ◼ ► one connector with that magsafe adapter [TS]

01:03:19 ◼ ► that fits in little USBC port on the [TS]

01:03:22 ◼ ► side and whether it was really necessary [TS]

01:03:23 ◼ ► none of us had macbook ones that we had [TS]

01:03:26 ◼ ► tripped over or yanked the cord out of [TS]

01:03:27 ◼ ► and I said I thought that nobody had [TS]

01:03:29 ◼ ► done that experiment well one freshman [TS]

01:03:32 ◼ ► could do the experiment but did delve [TS]

01:03:34 ◼ ► into the science behind USBC connector [TS]

01:03:37 ◼ ► and to try to figure out with thought [TS]

01:03:40 ◼ ► experiment and some basic physics [TS]

01:03:42 ◼ ► calculations and some numbers from the [TS]

01:03:44 ◼ ► USB spec what would happen if you [TS]

01:03:46 ◼ ► tripped over a macbook one chord it was [TS]

01:03:48 ◼ ► plugged in as compared to what would [TS]

01:03:51 ◼ ► happen if it had a maximum connector and [TS]

01:03:52 ◼ ► the conclusion of this article which [TS]

01:03:54 ◼ ► again is an older article might have [TS]

01:03:55 ◼ ► been even before the macro without but [TS]

01:03:57 ◼ ► had been announced obviously was that I [TS]

01:03:59 ◼ ► your laptop will fall on the ground then [TS]

01:04:02 ◼ ► yes you totally can pull a macbook one [TS]

01:04:05 ◼ ► off the surface onto the ground by [TS]

01:04:07 ◼ ► tripping over the cord just based on the [TS]

01:04:09 ◼ ► forces involved and the speed of the [TS]

01:04:13 ◼ ► banking and the angle and all these [TS]

01:04:15 ◼ ► other things you can read the article to [TS]

01:04:16 ◼ ► find out [TS]

01:04:17 ◼ ► perhaps not as good as actually doing [TS]

01:04:19 ◼ ► the experiment perhaps not as good as a [TS]

01:04:21 ◼ ► bunch of people home macbook ones having [TS]

01:04:23 ◼ ► their children tripped over the cord and [TS]

01:04:24 ◼ ► find out what happens but so far no one [TS]

01:04:26 ◼ ► has written in about that happening so [TS]

01:04:27 ◼ ► all we have is this speculation by glenn [TS]

01:04:29 ◼ ► fleischmann there you go there's an [TS]

01:04:30 ◼ ► answer [TS]

01:04:31 ◼ ► alright and why don't you tell us about [TS]

01:04:33 ◼ ► up there and whether or not they use AWS [TS]

01:04:35 ◼ ► yeah just a quick follow-up last time [TS]

01:04:37 ◼ ► someone it's a used AWS and up there [TS]

01:04:40 ◼ ► replied and Twitter no we don't we host [TS]

01:04:41 ◼ ► our own stuff and so a couple people [TS]

01:04:43 ◼ ► went back and forth and we're trying to [TS]

01:04:44 ◼ ► figure out well then why is up there [TS]

01:04:46 ◼ ► connecting to AWS and theory was that it [TS]

01:04:49 ◼ ► was because of crashlytics was a crash [TS]

01:04:51 ◼ ► reporting thing and up there confirmed [TS]

01:04:53 ◼ ► they do use graphics and crashlytics [TS]

01:04:55 ◼ ► said if you use graphics you will [TS]

01:04:58 ◼ ► connect AWS so there's your answer to [TS]

01:05:00 ◼ ► why up there is connected w assets for [TS]

01:05:03 ◼ ► crashlytics excellent that's the magic [TS]

01:05:06 ◼ ► of twitter by the way we're like random [TS]

01:05:08 ◼ ► podcast that we do random listen to the [TS]

01:05:10 ◼ ► podcast use some use little snitch [TS]

01:05:12 ◼ ► software to say they saw connecting AWS [TS]

01:05:14 ◼ ► then the three companies that replied 3 [TS]

01:05:17 ◼ ► sort of carpet Twitter accounts the [TS]

01:05:18 ◼ ► little snatch account the crash linux [TS]

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01:05:55 ◼ ► up during business hours and a real-life [TS]

01:05:57 ◼ ► human being just picked up the phone and [TS]

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01:06:00 ◼ ► there's no like weird menu there's no [TS]

01:06:01 ◼ ► way there's no whole time you don't [TS]

01:06:02 ◼ ► getting back to different people [TS]

01:06:04 ◼ ► you could call them in human being [TS]

01:06:05 ◼ ► picked up the phone like like a real [TS]

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01:06:08 ◼ ► they think they have great online [TS]

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01:06:20 ◼ ► across all the various domain extensions [TS]

01:06:22 ◼ ► out there and then there's new domain [TS]

01:06:23 ◼ ► extensions at being added all the time [TS]

01:06:25 ◼ ► now if you ever tried to register domain [TS]

01:06:27 ◼ ► name anywhere else you will know that [TS]

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01:06:34 ◼ ► had to log in and manage an old domain [TS]

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01:06:44 ◼ ► new stuff and it is it was really quite [TS]

01:06:47 ◼ ► unpleasant to do in the other place [TS]

01:06:49 ◼ ► however respect you they they don't try [TS]

01:06:51 ◼ ► to like rip you off or sell your privacy [TS]

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01:07:25 ◼ ► so you went to a tech talk yeah i went [TS]

01:07:27 ◼ ► yesterday to the appletv tech-talk in [TS]

01:07:30 ◼ ► New York so the tech talks are basically [TS]

01:07:32 ◼ ► Apple goes around the country with the [TS]

01:07:34 ◼ ► developer relations team not maybe not [TS]

01:07:36 ◼ ► every year maybe every couple years it [TS]

01:07:38 ◼ ► depends when they can do it but they [TS]

01:07:40 ◼ ► basically said the team around kind of [TS]

01:07:42 ◼ ► as like a halfway point between wwd seas [TS]

01:07:45 ◼ ► and they put on these these little like [TS]

01:07:47 ◼ ► it's basically a one-day mini wdc that [TS]

01:07:51 ◼ ► is usually focused on just one [TS]

01:07:54 ◼ ► relatively new platform so i went to a [TS]

01:07:56 ◼ ► few years ago just for iOS i believe [TS]

01:07:59 ◼ ► last year no matter and watch when I [TS]

01:08:00 ◼ ► forget but this year doing appletv Tech [TS]

01:08:03 ◼ ► Talks and so it's it's free and one day [TS]

01:08:06 ◼ ► you sign up you just picked by lottery [TS]

01:08:08 ◼ ► and it's all it's not a bunch of cities [TS]

01:08:10 ◼ ► around the world and you just go into my [TS]

01:08:12 ◼ ► co you know like a hotel you know [TS]

01:08:13 ◼ ► meeting room or whatever like it looks [TS]

01:08:15 ◼ ► exactly like many WTC it'sit's great and [TS]

01:08:19 ◼ ► very well presented your high-quality [TS]

01:08:20 ◼ ► presentations but only like a few [TS]

01:08:24 ◼ ► hundred people in attendance rather than [TS]

01:08:25 ◼ ► 5,000 in the giant Moscow new center so [TS]

01:08:28 ◼ ► like it's it's a nice small scale you [TS]

01:08:30 ◼ ► actually have to like talk to the apple [TS]

01:08:31 ◼ ► people and meet other developers on and [TS]

01:08:33 ◼ ► on a nicer smaller shorter and way less [TS]

01:08:37 ◼ ► expensive scale so i went and it was [TS]

01:08:39 ◼ ► great I I still and not [TS]

01:08:43 ◼ ► entirely convinced i want to be [TS]

01:08:44 ◼ ► developing for the apple TV yet i would [TS]

01:08:47 ◼ ► like to do it sometime [TS]

01:08:48 ◼ ► I'm not sure that time is now I'm very [TS]

01:08:50 ◼ ► excited to develop for it i just don't [TS]

01:08:53 ◼ ► know I i don't i'm not seeing the the [TS]

01:08:57 ◼ ► market demand for it yet really [TS]

01:08:59 ◼ ► so if you really want overcast on the [TS]

01:09:00 ◼ ► appletv I guess let me know but but i [TS]

01:09:03 ◼ ► I've right now I haven't I just haven't [TS]

01:09:05 ◼ ► heard from people who really want that [TS]

01:09:06 ◼ ► and other things i think there are more [TS]

01:09:09 ◼ ► important for now but I I do look [TS]

01:09:11 ◼ ► forward to it is a great platform be [TS]

01:09:12 ◼ ► like that the talks are with the talks [TS]

01:09:14 ◼ ► were all about basically video playback [TS]

01:09:18 ◼ ► and games like that was like the main [TS]

01:09:20 ◼ ► areas they focused on because that is [TS]

01:09:22 ◼ ► what the apple TV is best at video [TS]

01:09:24 ◼ ► playback and games as an audio only [TS]

01:09:26 ◼ ► podcast app I'm not sure there's much [TS]

01:09:28 ◼ ► for me to do there besides get people's [TS]

01:09:31 ◼ ► audio into their like home theater [TS]

01:09:33 ◼ ► systems which people do occasionally [TS]

01:09:34 ◼ ► request but doesn't seem as much there's [TS]

01:09:37 ◼ ► much demand for me there but we will see [TS]

01:09:38 ◼ ► iOS 9.3 and TV OS whatever is it might [TS]

01:09:41 ◼ ► also point three the the new beta that [TS]

01:09:43 ◼ ► we talked about they added a podcast app [TS]

01:09:45 ◼ ► like their own a podcast app finally so [TS]

01:09:47 ◼ ► I guess we'll see like if a lot of [TS]

01:09:50 ◼ ► people use that and start hearing people [TS]

01:09:51 ◼ ► saying I i switch back to the podcast [TS]

01:09:53 ◼ ► app so i could play my appletv like it [TS]

01:09:56 ◼ ► that if that happens a lot i will [TS]

01:09:57 ◼ ► definitely respond to that and i'll make [TS]

01:09:59 ◼ ► it happen but I I don't I I think [TS]

01:10:01 ◼ ► eventually it might but I don't think [TS]

01:10:04 ◼ ► the times yet so I guess we'll see if [TS]

01:10:06 ◼ ► you're like somebody who makes the app [TS]

01:10:08 ◼ ► for a video owner like like a lot of [TS]

01:10:11 ◼ ► people there i talk to like they're they [TS]

01:10:13 ◼ ► were like the iOS programmer on iOS [TS]

01:10:15 ◼ ► programming team for a TV network or [TS]

01:10:18 ◼ ► something like that like you know where [TS]

01:10:19 ◼ ► that makes sense like for them to be [TS]

01:10:21 ◼ ► making apps that makes total sense but [TS]

01:10:23 ◼ ► for me I'm not sure makes sense it but [TS]

01:10:26 ◼ ► we'll see anyway so i think we should [TS]

01:10:29 ◼ ► honestly talked about iOS 9.3 what do [TS]

01:10:31 ◼ ► there's a just going to second your [TS]

01:10:33 ◼ ► endorsement of tech talks I've only been [TS]

01:10:35 ◼ ► to one but it was a there was always [TS]

01:10:37 ◼ ► that is like a little mini WWDC a worse [TS]

01:10:40 ◼ ► venue [TS]

01:10:40 ◼ ► yeah it but it's free and it's one day [TS]

01:10:42 ◼ ► it's great with slightly slightly worse [TS]

01:10:45 ◼ ► food obviously the food here script was [TS]

01:10:46 ◼ ► better by a lot but things have changed [TS]

01:10:48 ◼ ► i guess probably depends on the hotel [TS]

01:10:50 ◼ ► like maybe have to use the hotels [TS]

01:10:51 ◼ ► catering but the 1i went to was that is [TS]

01:10:53 ◼ ► terrible little box lunches which [TS]

01:10:55 ◼ ► granted the box on his WBC aren't that [TS]

01:10:57 ◼ ► great either but these are even worse [TS]

01:10:58 ◼ ► but notice we have like we had a hapa [TS]

01:11:00 ◼ ► faith and and I mean it helped i didn't [TS]

01:11:02 ◼ ► i didn't even try the coffee because [TS]

01:11:03 ◼ ► there was a Catholic grumpy downstairs [TS]

01:11:05 ◼ ► so I just went to the cafe grumpy cat [TS]

01:11:07 ◼ ► excellent coffee there anyway so yeah [TS]

01:11:12 ◼ ► 9.3 so this was weird very weird Monday [TS]

01:11:17 ◼ ► yesterday for anyway this week earlier [TS]

01:11:19 ◼ ► this week Apple unveiled a a page on [TS]

01:11:22 ◼ ► their website called iOS 9.3 preview so [TS]

01:11:26 ◼ ► and they released a I guess beta 1 or [TS]

01:11:28 ◼ ► anything like that but they release beta [TS]

01:11:30 ◼ ► 1 of iOS 9.3 whatever version of watch I [TS]

01:11:34 ◼ ► think corresponds to that and then TV OS [TS]

01:11:36 ◼ ► the same you know whatever version [TS]

01:11:37 ◼ ► corresponds to that and so if there's a [TS]

01:11:41 ◼ ► few very interesting about this so first [TS]

01:11:44 ◼ ► of all apple has never given like this [TS]

01:11:47 ◼ ► like public route public unveiling of a [TS]

01:11:50 ◼ ► beta OS before and in a marketing way [TS]

01:11:53 ◼ ► they do and i was ten my get a certain [TS]

01:11:55 ◼ ► point in the OS 10 beta release cycle [TS]

01:11:57 ◼ ► for many many years now they've had a [TS]

01:11:59 ◼ ► page it's basically apple.com / OS with [TS]

01:12:02 ◼ ► relax / preview or some other word and [TS]

01:12:06 ◼ ► that shows you the features of the [TS]

01:12:07 ◼ ► upcoming as yet unreleased this even [TS]

01:12:09 ◼ ► before they have the public business [TS]

01:12:10 ◼ ► they wouldn't do it for the very first [TS]

01:12:11 ◼ ► build very often they wait until like it [TS]

01:12:13 ◼ ► was a WC now somebody would have an [TS]

01:12:16 ◼ ► entire section of their site dedicated [TS]

01:12:17 ◼ ► to the OS that you cannot yet download [TS]

01:12:19 ◼ ► the weird thing for iOS is I don't know [TS]

01:12:22 ◼ ► they've ever done for iOS don't pay that [TS]

01:12:23 ◼ ► much attention but they did it but [TS]

01:12:25 ◼ ► pretty much simultaneously with the beta [TS]

01:12:27 ◼ ► released to developers so it's not like [TS]

01:12:29 ◼ ► developers would go to a public website [TS]

01:12:31 ◼ ► to see the features of the baby that you [TS]

01:12:33 ◼ ► can adjust able to download now [TS]

01:12:35 ◼ ► yeah but it'sit's great i mean and you [TS]

01:12:37 ◼ ► know what would usually happen in the [TS]

01:12:39 ◼ ► past iOS is like the baby would come out [TS]

01:12:41 ◼ ► and then immediately all the rumor sites [TS]

01:12:43 ◼ ► have people digging through it and then [TS]

01:12:45 ◼ ► like within hours of being released [TS]

01:12:47 ◼ ► rumors that have like 10 articles about [TS]

01:12:49 ◼ ► each little minor change somewhere in [TS]

01:12:51 ◼ ► the settings screen or and after Newt [TS]

01:12:53 ◼ ► week or whatever so it was like so this [TS]

01:12:56 ◼ ► makes sense of the way for Apple [TS]

01:12:57 ◼ ► basically just kinda own that and [TS]

01:12:59 ◼ ► control the message and and have you [TS]

01:13:02 ◼ ► have it be a proper [TS]

01:13:04 ◼ ► marketing handling of this kind of event [TS]

01:13:05 ◼ ► rather than just letting the rumor try [TS]

01:13:07 ◼ ► to dictate everything so that's good you [TS]

01:13:10 ◼ ► know it's it's kinda like legalizing pot [TS]

01:13:11 ◼ ► it's like if you want to like discourage [TS]

01:13:13 ◼ ► the bad behavior like just kept you take [TS]

01:13:15 ◼ ► take away the value you know the apple [TS]

01:13:17 ◼ ► just here here's everything is new here [TS]

01:13:19 ◼ ► you go you know [TS]

01:13:20 ◼ ► well not everything that's no I still [TS]

01:13:21 ◼ ► hope that I assume the rumor sight sound [TS]

01:13:23 ◼ ► all that is that little change that [TS]

01:13:25 ◼ ► setting screen apples not going to put [TS]

01:13:26 ◼ ► it on their giant preview page with the [TS]

01:13:28 ◼ ► wife is just label of how much data is [TS]

01:13:30 ◼ ► used [TS]

01:13:30 ◼ ► yeah or stuff like that like there's [TS]

01:13:31 ◼ ► still plenty of fodder for oversized [TS]

01:13:33 ◼ ► into but they hit the highlights yet but [TS]

01:13:35 ◼ ► it all yeah it's plenty of boring father [TS]

01:13:37 ◼ ► and for them to dig into an apple [TS]

01:13:39 ◼ ► wow that's that's that's their core the [TS]

01:13:41 ◼ ► core audience needs to know tell me [TS]

01:13:43 ◼ ► every screen that changed it ain't the [TS]

01:13:44 ◼ ► spacing on this label one of one of the [TS]

01:13:48 ◼ ► most high profile changes they've made [TS]

01:13:50 ◼ ► is called nightshift and apple is the [TS]

01:13:54 ◼ ► very first people to ever come up with [TS]

01:13:56 ◼ ► this idea of changing the color balance [TS]

01:14:00 ◼ ► on your display changing the white [TS]

01:14:02 ◼ ► balance so that it's cool cool [TS]

01:14:05 ◼ ► temperature and what we consider now to [TS]

01:14:07 ◼ ► be neutral during the day and then at [TS]

01:14:09 ◼ ► night it's slowly changes to a warmer [TS]

01:14:12 ◼ ► color temperature so you don't have your [TS]

01:14:14 ◼ ► eyes be shown blue light that keeps you [TS]

01:14:17 ◼ ► awake and makes you sleep worse so it's [TS]

01:14:19 ◼ ► slowly warms cold temperature on the [TS]

01:14:20 ◼ ► display until you go to bed and then [TS]

01:14:23 ◼ ► change the time at the next day I wish [TS]

01:14:25 ◼ ► this is available on my mac at 44 years [TS]

01:14:28 ◼ ► I've wanted something like this and no [TS]

01:14:29 ◼ ► one has ever thought of it before with [TS]

01:14:31 ◼ ► only your tone of voice makes me think [TS]

01:14:33 ◼ ► you suddenly support patents [TS]

01:14:34 ◼ ► yeah a lot of people that before but you [TS]

01:14:37 ◼ ► can't like in ideas out there for [TS]

01:14:39 ◼ ► anybody to take so I really hope I i [TS]

01:14:42 ◼ ► forgot i even did have a pattern or [TS]

01:14:43 ◼ ► whatever but this is not this is an [TS]

01:14:45 ◼ ► obvious enough idea that I would not [TS]

01:14:47 ◼ ► call this is sherlock and I would not [TS]

01:14:49 ◼ ► call this a case for apple is taking it [TS]

01:14:51 ◼ ► an application wholesale like you know [TS]

01:14:54 ◼ ► well they want an application and making [TS]

01:14:56 ◼ ► their own equivalent his name his name [TS]

01:14:59 ◼ ► based on the same themes the original [TS]

01:15:01 ◼ ► application looks like the other [TS]

01:15:02 ◼ ► application that works like they're this [TS]

01:15:03 ◼ ► is not an application this is a fairly [TS]

01:15:06 ◼ ► simple idea that was not invented i'm [TS]

01:15:08 ◼ ► sure by the creators of the flex [TS]

01:15:11 ◼ ► application that you're referring to [TS]

01:15:12 ◼ ► yes yeah totally okay with Apple taking [TS]

01:15:16 ◼ ► because it's a good idea and I [TS]

01:15:17 ◼ ► don't think anyone should know that idea [TS]

01:15:18 ◼ ► even if someone actually does well i [TS]

01:15:21 ◼ ► think i might disagree with both of [TS]

01:15:22 ◼ ► those points but so let's so yeah I was [TS]

01:15:25 ◼ ► being sarcastic obviously what we're [TS]

01:15:26 ◼ ► talking about is there's been this [TS]

01:15:28 ◼ ► application called flux felt fwx and [TS]

01:15:32 ◼ ► it's been available on computers like [TS]

01:15:33 ◼ ► forever and and they had like an iOS [TS]

01:15:37 ◼ ► kind of hack version where like you [TS]

01:15:40 ◼ ► couldn't they couldn't put in the app [TS]

01:15:41 ◼ ► store so they did like a silent where [TS]

01:15:43 ◼ ► you could download like a binary library [TS]

01:15:45 ◼ ► in with a project into Xcode and have it [TS]

01:15:48 ◼ ► installed into your phone and they did [TS]

01:15:51 ◼ ► this back in november and it got [TS]

01:15:54 ◼ ► thousands or millions of it there are [TS]

01:15:56 ◼ ► tons of downloads and then on houses on [TS]

01:15:59 ◼ ► member 12 2 months ago they said hey [TS]

01:16:03 ◼ ► they posted saying that Apple had [TS]

01:16:06 ◼ ► contacted them and had said that the the [TS]

01:16:09 ◼ ► iOS download of their of their kind of [TS]

01:16:11 ◼ ► side loaded app here was in violation of [TS]

01:16:13 ◼ ► developer agreement and so this method [TS]

01:16:15 ◼ ► of install is no longer available [TS]

01:16:18 ◼ ► Apple has indicated this should not [TS]

01:16:19 ◼ ► continue so they don't really say like [TS]

01:16:23 ◼ ► if Apple like legally threaten them or [TS]

01:16:26 ◼ ► anything because technically they could [TS]

01:16:29 ◼ ► have continued to distribute it probably [TS]

01:16:31 ◼ ► and so this was all just two months ago [TS]

01:16:34 ◼ ► and then all of a sudden now in what is [TS]

01:16:37 ◼ ► the next major iOS feature update that [TS]

01:16:41 ◼ ► next update has a feature that is a [TS]

01:16:44 ◼ ► direct copy of what this does [TS]

01:16:45 ◼ ► so I wonder if there's actually if they [TS]

01:16:48 ◼ ► actually made some kind of small deal [TS]

01:16:49 ◼ ► where maybe Apple said like we don't [TS]

01:16:51 ◼ ► want you doing this [TS]

01:16:52 ◼ ► shut it down and we're gonna do it [TS]

01:16:53 ◼ ► ourselves and we won't sue you or shut [TS]

01:16:56 ◼ ► it down will give you a small amount of [TS]

01:16:58 ◼ ► money and we'll do it ourselves and you [TS]

01:16:59 ◼ ► won't say anything you know that it's [TS]

01:17:01 ◼ ► probably something like that but the [TS]

01:17:02 ◼ ► only reason we have to give him some [TS]

01:17:04 ◼ ► money is if they have a super dumb [TS]

01:17:05 ◼ ► patent on this idea right there's two [TS]

01:17:07 ◼ ► separate issues here one being mean to [TS]

01:17:10 ◼ ► the makers of flux and not letting them [TS]

01:17:11 ◼ ► use sideloading to this not lying side [TS]

01:17:13 ◼ ► loading at all like that's all separate [TS]

01:17:14 ◼ ► issue of like a apple why is the only [TS]

01:17:16 ◼ ► way to be able to get application of [TS]

01:17:18 ◼ ► devices to the appstore what about a way [TS]

01:17:22 ◼ ► that you won't complain about that [TS]

01:17:24 ◼ ► expert users can use not all people are [TS]

01:17:26 ◼ ► going to use it no one's going to [TS]

01:17:27 ◼ ► download [TS]

01:17:27 ◼ ► skoda build their own thing inside like [TS]

01:17:29 ◼ ► only you know only the nerds are going [TS]

01:17:31 ◼ ► to do a why not just let that go [TS]

01:17:32 ◼ ► that is a separate issue the separate [TS]

01:17:34 ◼ ► issue from is it ok for Apple to take [TS]

01:17:38 ◼ ► this idea that again i think the [TS]

01:17:40 ◼ ► metroplex probably did not invent I of [TS]

01:17:43 ◼ ► changing the color temperature display [TS]

01:17:45 ◼ ► based on the time of day and incorporate [TS]

01:17:47 ◼ ► that into their OS for those their most [TS]

01:17:50 ◼ ► popular platform that seems like a [TS]

01:17:51 ◼ ► no-brainer slam dunk in the only thing [TS]

01:17:53 ◼ ► that Apple trip across is if someone has [TS]

01:17:55 ◼ ► a super dumb patent on have to pay [TS]

01:17:56 ◼ ► somebody for I had no idea about those [TS]

01:17:58 ◼ ► the galleries but i think the whole [TS]

01:17:59 ◼ ► system as well as stupid I'm totally [TS]

01:18:01 ◼ ► okay with Apple incorporating this idea [TS]

01:18:03 ◼ ► because it's a good idea and because [TS]

01:18:05 ◼ ► nobody should on this idea I first of [TS]

01:18:07 ◼ ► all I i think the way they're doing it [TS]

01:18:08 ◼ ► just the timing of this and the way they [TS]

01:18:10 ◼ ► came down so hard on flux and then [TS]

01:18:12 ◼ ► immediately made their own thing I think [TS]

01:18:14 ◼ ► that that makes apple look like a jerk [TS]

01:18:15 ◼ ► really make their own thing or what they [TS]

01:18:17 ◼ ► already making it to have they aren't [TS]

01:18:19 ◼ ► like how long is this feature been you [TS]

01:18:21 ◼ ► know again fluxes an old application and [TS]

01:18:23 ◼ ► they're probably applications before but [TS]

01:18:25 ◼ ► i don't think the timing is they saw [TS]

01:18:27 ◼ ► people sideloading flux and then they [TS]

01:18:28 ◼ ► said all we got to get on that and [TS]

01:18:31 ◼ ► decided to add the feature it seems like [TS]

01:18:32 ◼ ► the type of thing that might have been [TS]

01:18:33 ◼ ► in the works for a while but who knows [TS]

01:18:35 ◼ ► honestly i disagree i think it's exactly [TS]

01:18:36 ◼ ► it's it's a simple enough feature that [TS]

01:18:39 ◼ ► is exactly what probably happened [TS]

01:18:40 ◼ ► alright guys so even if they did it what [TS]

01:18:42 ◼ ► then what difference does it make like [TS]

01:18:43 ◼ ► the someone saw the idea this is this is [TS]

01:18:46 ◼ ► a thing that users want again separate [TS]

01:18:48 ◼ ► from the notion of telling flux we can't [TS]

01:18:50 ◼ ► do it because that I agree is kind of [TS]

01:18:51 ◼ ► turkey and annoying right [TS]

01:18:53 ◼ ► teleflex they can't do it is separate [TS]

01:18:54 ◼ ► from the idea of well it's a good idea [TS]

01:18:56 ◼ ► we should build and because that's [TS]

01:18:57 ◼ ► exactly how they should work if there's [TS]

01:18:58 ◼ ► something that's a really popular idea [TS]

01:18:59 ◼ ► that is very much a system-level thing [TS]

01:19:02 ◼ ► which i'm amazed the fuck could even do [TS]

01:19:03 ◼ ► what they did because it seemed so much [TS]

01:19:04 ◼ ► like a system-level thing right that [TS]

01:19:07 ◼ ► should be built in the operating system [TS]

01:19:08 ◼ ► and how do you find those things you [TS]

01:19:09 ◼ ► think of them yourself or you see that [TS]

01:19:11 ◼ ► there's lots of user demand for this [TS]

01:19:12 ◼ ► type of thing a lot of people are [TS]

01:19:13 ◼ ► interested in this feature we should [TS]

01:19:15 ◼ ► build it into the stupid OS and so they [TS]

01:19:17 ◼ ► do like I'm not saying Apple shouldn't [TS]

01:19:19 ◼ ► have been allowed to do this or that [TS]

01:19:20 ◼ ► they shouldn't even made me I'm not even [TS]

01:19:22 ◼ ► saying they shouldn't have done it but [TS]

01:19:23 ◼ ► the the the timing of it the way they [TS]

01:19:26 ◼ ► did it and the timing of it i think is [TS]

01:19:27 ◼ ► distasteful and and makes them look [TS]

01:19:29 ◼ ► pretty jerky I i disagree i don't think [TS]

01:19:31 ◼ ► they look any more or less like the [TS]

01:19:33 ◼ ► jerks the thing that makes them look [TS]

01:19:34 ◼ ► like jerks is not letting them sideload [TS]

01:19:36 ◼ ► incorporating the future they always [TS]

01:19:38 ◼ ► make them look like smart OS spenders [TS]

01:19:40 ◼ ► don't think it makes them look like [TS]

01:19:41 ◼ ► jerks i don't think there's any time I [TS]

01:19:43 ◼ ► don't think they even said I we exactly [TS]

01:19:45 ◼ ► copied this we were inspired by flux and [TS]

01:19:48 ◼ ► if they came out publicly and said the [TS]

01:19:49 ◼ ► story you're surmising is true i still [TS]

01:19:51 ◼ ► think that would be fine because I think [TS]

01:19:52 ◼ ► that like that's this is a consequence [TS]

01:19:54 ◼ ► of the idea that people not owning ideas [TS]

01:19:56 ◼ ► like you want people not on ideas but it [TS]

01:19:58 ◼ ► still seems distasteful to you that [TS]

01:20:00 ◼ ► someone came up with this thing and that [TS]

01:20:02 ◼ ► like the day you know immediately copied [TS]

01:20:04 ◼ ► it from them it's not there's nothing [TS]

01:20:05 ◼ ► you know it's they didn't own it its [TS]

01:20:07 ◼ ► it's the transfer of ideas is the reason [TS]

01:20:09 ◼ ► the reason I at least mm against pats is [TS]

01:20:11 ◼ ► the idea that someone will have an idea [TS]

01:20:13 ◼ ► another person will hear that idea and [TS]

01:20:14 ◼ ► said that's a good idea and take that [TS]

01:20:16 ◼ ► idea and run with it and like it's not [TS]

01:20:18 ◼ ► there's 22 own and there's no copying [TS]

01:20:21 ◼ ► going on it to share anyway whatever [TS]

01:20:23 ◼ ► hippie-dippie stuff i should point out [TS]

01:20:25 ◼ ► like I did a very similar feature [TS]

01:20:27 ◼ ► instapaper like five years ago [TS]

01:20:29 ◼ ► look it's like this is not new it's not [TS]

01:20:31 ◼ ► like i said it's not it's not a new idea [TS]

01:20:33 ◼ ► to computing is not a new idea to like [TS]

01:20:36 ◼ ► non computing related lights like the [TS]

01:20:38 ◼ ► whole white theoretical is probably some [TS]

01:20:39 ◼ ► study many many many years ago about the [TS]

01:20:42 ◼ ► color temperature and light if I can [TS]

01:20:44 ◼ ► sleep patterns that all this is spun out [TS]

01:20:45 ◼ ► from but yeah like I don't and that's [TS]

01:20:49 ◼ ► why I fear if I remember I don't know if [TS]

01:20:51 ◼ ► someone send us the link i fear that [TS]

01:20:52 ◼ ► flux actually does have a patent is [TS]

01:20:54 ◼ ► because seriously like it should not be [TS]

01:20:56 ◼ ► not be patentable period and even under [TS]

01:20:59 ◼ ► the the route the rules are current [TS]

01:21:01 ◼ ► patent system has been rejected based on [TS]

01:21:02 ◼ ► prior art but you know I've never had [TS]

01:21:04 ◼ ► doesn't do anything but anyway so I do [TS]

01:21:07 ◼ ► want to get into slightly a discussion [TS]

01:21:09 ◼ ► of the the assumption or the scientific [TS]

01:21:12 ◼ ► basis of this so so first of all the [TS]

01:21:15 ◼ ► just to clarify when we say change the [TS]

01:21:17 ◼ ► color temperature for anybody who [TS]

01:21:18 ◼ ► doesn't know if you ever seen somebody [TS]

01:21:20 ◼ ► by a CFL or LED light bulb that looks [TS]

01:21:23 ◼ ► really blue when you put in the house [TS]

01:21:25 ◼ ► especially at night but this is kind or [TS]

01:21:27 ◼ ► if you have one that was like way too [TS]

01:21:29 ◼ ► yellow or orange your kind of seeing [TS]

01:21:31 ◼ ► that seeing the issues of color balance [TS]

01:21:33 ◼ ► in our expectations so basically in the [TS]

01:21:36 ◼ ► middle today during daylight daylight [TS]

01:21:38 ◼ ► colored light is you know more more [TS]

01:21:41 ◼ ► towards that the blue end of the color [TS]

01:21:43 ◼ ► balance spectrum the way we could only [TS]

01:21:45 ◼ ► think about it and then at night things [TS]

01:21:48 ◼ ► like fires and cold streetlights [TS]

01:21:51 ◼ ► and incandescent bulbs those we think of [TS]

01:21:54 ◼ ► as as I especially like the bulbs we [TS]

01:21:56 ◼ ► think i was making like white light but [TS]

01:21:57 ◼ ► in reality it's really most it's more [TS]

01:22:00 ◼ ► it's more yellow tinted then daylight is [TS]

01:22:02 ◼ ► and so are our eyes adjust for this [TS]

01:22:05 ◼ ► camera just for that's what this is [TS]

01:22:06 ◼ ► about white balances and cameras our [TS]

01:22:08 ◼ ► eyes adjust for this and so we think [TS]

01:22:10 ◼ ► we're sitting in a room lit by slightly [TS]

01:22:12 ◼ ► yellow incandescent lights in you know [TS]

01:22:14 ◼ ► at nighttime when it's dark outside [TS]

01:22:16 ◼ ► we don't think of it as being a yellow [TS]

01:22:18 ◼ ► light we think of it as being a neutral [TS]

01:22:20 ◼ ► white light but then if you see [TS]

01:22:21 ◼ ► something that is neutral color like [TS]

01:22:24 ◼ ► daylight it looks blue to you by [TS]

01:22:26 ◼ ► comparison because you aren't you [TS]

01:22:27 ◼ ► adjusted to that are you anyway the the [TS]

01:22:30 ◼ ► the principle behind this is that your [TS]

01:22:32 ◼ ► computer screens they don't change their [TS]

01:22:34 ◼ ► color tone without this you know they [TS]

01:22:36 ◼ ► don't change their color tone throughout [TS]

01:22:36 ◼ ► the day so that what looks like a [TS]

01:22:38 ◼ ► neutral white color balance during the [TS]

01:22:40 ◼ ► day on a computer screen does look [TS]

01:22:42 ◼ ► bluish and/or you know 22 bright it [TS]

01:22:45 ◼ ► could be perceived as its kind of tricky [TS]

01:22:46 ◼ ► but you know it looks like too harsh or [TS]

01:22:48 ◼ ► too blue or too bright in like a [TS]

01:22:50 ◼ ► dimly-lit nighttime room for the most [TS]

01:22:54 ◼ ► part and and the idea here is that this [TS]

01:22:56 ◼ ► can confuse your body into into not [TS]

01:22:59 ◼ ► preparing for sleep or not not sleeping [TS]

01:23:02 ◼ ► as well or something like that and I've [TS]

01:23:07 ◼ ► looked into I've tried to see what the [TS]

01:23:10 ◼ ► scientific basis for this is because the [TS]

01:23:12 ◼ ► idea is that if you can if you can make [TS]

01:23:14 ◼ ► the screen shift its color temperature [TS]

01:23:17 ◼ ► into the warm area so basically make [TS]

01:23:20 ◼ ► your maker computing devices change [TS]

01:23:22 ◼ ► their own white balance along with what [TS]

01:23:24 ◼ ► your what's going on in your house and [TS]

01:23:25 ◼ ► around you in your environment so that [TS]

01:23:27 ◼ ► in the daytime they're neutral and and [TS]

01:23:29 ◼ ► you know what might consider like a [TS]

01:23:30 ◼ ► bluish or new or cold white but then at [TS]

01:23:33 ◼ ► night they shifted everything it's [TS]

01:23:34 ◼ ► tinted yellow via the idea that will [TS]

01:23:37 ◼ ► help you sleep [TS]

01:23:38 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure that the evidence [TS]

01:23:41 ◼ ► I've seen so far proves that I i think [TS]

01:23:44 ◼ ► it's it's a good theory it might be true [TS]

01:23:46 ◼ ► the studies that are cited everywhere [TS]

01:23:48 ◼ ► mostly seemed to indicate that [TS]

01:23:51 ◼ ► brightness of light is important so it [TS]

01:23:55 ◼ ► you know it might not be important to [TS]

01:23:57 ◼ ► change your lights to be more yellow at [TS]

01:23:59 ◼ ► night it might just be important to [TS]

01:24:01 ◼ ► avoid bright screens at night and and [TS]

01:24:04 ◼ ► using bright screen [TS]

01:24:05 ◼ ► like in bed or before bed or whatever [TS]

01:24:07 ◼ ► that I think makes it from from the [TS]

01:24:10 ◼ ► actual suitable to find which is pretty [TS]

01:24:12 ◼ ► few and far between but that's the flux [TS]

01:24:14 ◼ ► has a good list of them bright light [TS]

01:24:16 ◼ ► emitting devices are a problem to use [TS]

01:24:19 ◼ ► late at night for this purpose but it [TS]

01:24:21 ◼ ► doesn't necessarily follow that changing [TS]

01:24:24 ◼ ► the color temperature of those screens [TS]

01:24:26 ◼ ► fixes that problem the studies i'm [TS]

01:24:28 ◼ ► looking at like the one that focused [TS]

01:24:30 ◼ ► most recently on that public national [TS]

01:24:33 ◼ ► academy of sciences anyway i read that [TS]

01:24:34 ◼ ► one that was like you know ipad vs book [TS]

01:24:36 ◼ ► and it's like if you read an ipad for [TS]

01:24:38 ◼ ► four hours first before bed person if [TS]

01:24:40 ◼ ► you read a book before I before going to [TS]

01:24:41 ◼ ► bed like the iPad users measurably had [TS]

01:24:44 ◼ ► like worse sleep and and related issues [TS]

01:24:47 ◼ ► I i thought at first like you know maybe [TS]

01:24:49 ◼ ► he's measuring like if you're like [TS]

01:24:50 ◼ ► bouncing around with apps that's [TS]

01:24:51 ◼ ► engaging you're bringing a different way [TS]

01:24:53 ◼ ► but know that it sounded too controlled [TS]

01:24:54 ◼ ► for that they had people watching to [TS]

01:24:56 ◼ ► make sure you actually reading a book [TS]

01:24:57 ◼ ► but it's like if you're staring at an [TS]

01:24:59 ◼ ► ipad screen for before bed was reading a [TS]

01:25:00 ◼ ► book reading the book is better but they [TS]

01:25:02 ◼ ► didn't test if you start an ipad screen [TS]

01:25:04 ◼ ► with neutral color temperature versus [TS]

01:25:07 ◼ ► one that is slowly shifting itself [TS]

01:25:09 ◼ ► yellow they didn't say that was better [TS]

01:25:10 ◼ ► so it seems like this is two separate [TS]

01:25:13 ◼ ► things that that the that this the [TS]

01:25:15 ◼ ► studies that have been done so far show [TS]

01:25:17 ◼ ► that bright lights at night can hurt [TS]

01:25:20 ◼ ► your sleeping and also we think it's [TS]

01:25:22 ◼ ► more pleasant and easy on your brain to [TS]

01:25:24 ◼ ► ten things yellow but nothing is [TS]

01:25:26 ◼ ► actually prove that and apples working [TS]

01:25:28 ◼ ► on the features actually very carefully [TS]

01:25:30 ◼ ► align with us so it says many studies [TS]

01:25:32 ◼ ► have shown that exposure to bright blue [TS]

01:25:34 ◼ ► light in the evening can affect your [TS]

01:25:36 ◼ ► circadian rhythms and make it harder to [TS]

01:25:38 ◼ ► fall asleep night shift use your iOS [TS]

01:25:40 ◼ ► devices clock and educational haha and [TS]

01:25:42 ◼ ► automatically shifts the closure display [TS]

01:25:43 ◼ ► to the one where the spectrum making it [TS]

01:25:45 ◼ ► easier on your eyes [TS]

01:25:47 ◼ ► it doesn't say the shit of a color shift [TS]

01:25:49 ◼ ► will make it easier to fall asleep [TS]

01:25:52 ◼ ► it says bright lights have been shown to [TS]

01:25:54 ◼ ► make it harder to fall asleep and this [TS]

01:25:56 ◼ ► will be easier on your eyes but there's [TS]

01:25:59 ◼ ► no connection to sleep there [TS]

01:26:01 ◼ ► I'm surprised they can't get sued suit [TS]

01:26:02 ◼ ► for easier on your eyes because like I [TS]

01:26:04 ◼ ► don't even know what that supportable [TS]

01:26:06 ◼ ► get more yellow which is easier on your [TS]

01:26:08 ◼ ► eyes how is that I maybe it's because [TS]

01:26:10 ◼ ► it's not measurable that's why it's [TS]

01:26:11 ◼ ► that's why it's important but it's like [TS]

01:26:12 ◼ ► it's bacon off they like well what is [TS]

01:26:14 ◼ ► easier me [TS]

01:26:15 ◼ ► so maybe it's it's big enough that [TS]

01:26:18 ◼ ► they're okay but right and then you know [TS]

01:26:20 ◼ ► there's all sorts of like theories about [TS]

01:26:22 ◼ ► like that's why you see a lot of like [TS]

01:26:23 ◼ ► yellow tinted sunglasses theories about [TS]

01:26:26 ◼ ► like if you if you reduce the blue light [TS]

01:26:27 ◼ ► more than the other colors these are on [TS]

01:26:29 ◼ ► the island there there are other things [TS]

01:26:30 ◼ ► about that but I don't and so I think [TS]

01:26:31 ◼ ► that's probably backed up but like it [TS]

01:26:35 ◼ ► doesn't seem like this is connected [TS]

01:26:37 ◼ ► necessarily so I think if you're [TS]

01:26:39 ◼ ► concerned about this [TS]

01:26:40 ◼ ► sure try flux or try this try night [TS]

01:26:42 ◼ ► shift if you find it pleasant great you [TS]

01:26:45 ◼ ► know that that's it that's a separate [TS]

01:26:46 ◼ ► thing it might not be helping you sleep [TS]

01:26:48 ◼ ► but i think if you want to sleep it is [TS]

01:26:51 ◼ ► it we do have evidence so far it seems [TS]

01:26:53 ◼ ► that either reducing the brightness of [TS]

01:26:56 ◼ ► the screen is probably way more [TS]

01:26:57 ◼ ► important the screener does that [TS]

01:26:59 ◼ ► automatically to some degree like you [TS]

01:27:00 ◼ ► can pick your brightness but it does it [TS]

01:27:02 ◼ ► does just based on ambient temperature [TS]

01:27:03 ◼ ► within some range so it does her butt [TS]

01:27:05 ◼ ► but like I would say like you reduce the [TS]

01:27:07 ◼ ► brightness especially at night like you [TS]

01:27:09 ◼ ► say you're either keep it all the time [TS]

01:27:10 ◼ ► like i do or like just said it you said [TS]

01:27:12 ◼ ► it lower and I even like so even set up [TS]

01:27:14 ◼ ► the middle point lower or just if you're [TS]

01:27:16 ◼ ► concerned about this and maybe you [TS]

01:27:18 ◼ ► should be just don't use your devices [TS]

01:27:20 ◼ ► before bed because the studies are [TS]

01:27:21 ◼ ► pretty clear that that helps a lot but i [TS]

01:27:24 ◼ ► don't think we know that changing it to [TS]

01:27:26 ◼ ► yellow has a meaningful effect on the [TS]

01:27:27 ◼ ► quality of your sleep [TS]

01:27:28 ◼ ► it might be more pleasant but it's it [TS]

01:27:30 ◼ ► might not have a meaningful effect but [TS]

01:27:32 ◼ ► if you believe it will then it will [TS]

01:27:33 ◼ ► because the placebo effect is incredibly [TS]

01:27:35 ◼ ► strong and so like this two aspects as [TS]

01:27:37 ◼ ► one [TS]

01:27:37 ◼ ► some people just find it more pleasant [TS]

01:27:38 ◼ ► like it they just like it's like yeah [TS]

01:27:41 ◼ ► called fashion or aesthetics or just [TS]

01:27:43 ◼ ► give them a warm fuzzy feeling they just [TS]

01:27:44 ◼ ► like that's fine [TS]

01:27:45 ◼ ► the right and the other one is if they [TS]

01:27:47 ◼ ► believe it will give them better sleep [TS]

01:27:49 ◼ ► there is a chance of that belief will [TS]

01:27:50 ◼ ► cause some to have purposely maybe but [TS]

01:27:52 ◼ ► you know at work it could be you know [TS]

01:27:54 ◼ ► just like if you start thinking about [TS]

01:27:56 ◼ ► having better sleep and wanted to make [TS]

01:27:58 ◼ ► changes in your life to give you better [TS]

01:27:59 ◼ ► sleep you will probably make other [TS]

01:28:01 ◼ ► changes that will also give you better [TS]

01:28:02 ◼ ► sleep you know so if you want better [TS]

01:28:05 ◼ ► sleep [TS]

01:28:05 ◼ ► chances are you could you know she's [TS]

01:28:07 ◼ ► doing multiple things at one of those [TS]

01:28:08 ◼ ► might be don't be like reading your [TS]

01:28:10 ◼ ► phone every single second at night until [TS]

01:28:12 ◼ ► the second you get you go to bed i have [TS]

01:28:15 ◼ ► the opposite of the placebo effect [TS]

01:28:16 ◼ ► because i do usually the last thing i do [TS]

01:28:18 ◼ ► right before i go to bed [TS]

01:28:19 ◼ ► is look at an iOS device which is pretty [TS]

01:28:22 ◼ ► bright in a pretty dark room and I've [TS]

01:28:25 ◼ ► been doing this for years and years and [TS]

01:28:26 ◼ ► years you know since iOS existed and [TS]

01:28:28 ◼ ► thanks for the ipod touches existed and [TS]

01:28:31 ◼ ► every so often I think this like exactly [TS]

01:28:33 ◼ ► what they tell you what not to do like a [TS]

01:28:35 ◼ ► bright mostly white light in your face [TS]

01:28:38 ◼ ► like right before bed [TS]

01:28:41 ◼ ► I wonder if this is making me not be [TS]

01:28:42 ◼ ► able to say when i go to sleep instantly [TS]

01:28:44 ◼ ► so like everyone's but it's like I'm I'm [TS]

01:28:47 ◼ ► trying to convince myself that what I'm [TS]

01:28:49 ◼ ► doing is going to be harmful and I'd [TS]

01:28:51 ◼ ► basically fine [TS]

01:28:52 ◼ ► so somebody that is if Apple it you know [TS]

01:28:55 ◼ ► maybe the Apple feature does more like [TS]

01:28:56 ◼ ► maybe it also adjust the brightness if [TS]

01:28:59 ◼ ► not maybe it should like that but that [TS]

01:29:01 ◼ ► would be like if it if it also read it [TS]

01:29:03 ◼ ► like I just like you know like reduce [TS]

01:29:04 ◼ ► the variance your screen night also in [TS]

01:29:06 ◼ ► addition to like the automatic thing the [TS]

01:29:09 ◼ ► brightness range [TS]

01:29:10 ◼ ► yeah like basically move the slider for [TS]

01:29:11 ◼ ► you yeah like move move like the [TS]

01:29:13 ◼ ► setpoint down also ignore you move move [TS]

01:29:16 ◼ ► the whole range down if it also does [TS]

01:29:18 ◼ ► that automatically that's a lot more [TS]

01:29:19 ◼ ► valuable and maybe it does i haven't [TS]

01:29:21 ◼ ► tried yet although i'd be like it is my [TS]

01:29:23 ◼ ► device getting dim what the hell was [TS]

01:29:25 ◼ ► that stupid thing again i want to [TS]

01:29:28 ◼ ► display looks to dinner realize that [TS]

01:29:29 ◼ ► I've acts like a kid is lean on the [TS]

01:29:31 ◼ ► brightness button on my keyboard or [TS]

01:29:32 ◼ ► something in a look and look for for a [TS]

01:29:34 ◼ ► long time people have complained many [TS]

01:29:37 ◼ ► people have complained that and i agree [TS]

01:29:40 ◼ ► with this complaint that the the lowest [TS]

01:29:43 ◼ ► brightness setting on iOS device screens [TS]

01:29:45 ◼ ► often is low enough that it would be if [TS]

01:29:47 ◼ ► you're in like if you're in a room that [TS]

01:29:49 ◼ ► is the only elimination like it here [TS]

01:29:50 ◼ ► reading in bed at night it the the [TS]

01:29:52 ◼ ► lowest brightness setting is often still [TS]

01:29:54 ◼ ► to be especially if using an Apple white [TS]

01:29:56 ◼ ► background and there's been all sorts of [TS]

01:29:58 ◼ ► like people the people who like use the [TS]

01:30:00 ◼ ► accessibility toggles to try to make it [TS]

01:30:03 ◼ ► even dimmer which messes with the mess [TS]

01:30:05 ◼ ► with my app and then there's any bug [TS]

01:30:06 ◼ ► reports like they're all sorts of of [TS]

01:30:09 ◼ ► people like people who've been doing [TS]

01:30:10 ◼ ► this for years of like using special [TS]

01:30:12 ◼ ► accessibility settings or special app [TS]

01:30:14 ◼ ► features to try to reduce it even [TS]

01:30:16 ◼ ► further mean introversion instapaper [TS]

01:30:18 ◼ ► when i first introduced dark mode in [TS]

01:30:20 ◼ ► order to get around this problem i [TS]

01:30:21 ◼ ► actually had a translucent black layer [TS]

01:30:24 ◼ ► that I could put over the entire window [TS]

01:30:26 ◼ ► just just a giant uiview over the entire [TS]

01:30:29 ◼ ► window or lower [TS]

01:30:30 ◼ ► or later i forget which one but just [TS]

01:30:32 ◼ ► like a giant overlay that I could that I [TS]

01:30:34 ◼ ► could just you know dim as necessary and [TS]

01:30:36 ◼ ► dark mode because the entire interface [TS]

01:30:39 ◼ ► was not dim enough online especially on [TS]

01:30:41 ◼ ► an ipad with this giant giant break into [TS]

01:30:44 ◼ ► a more prominent ipads and iphone most [TS]

01:30:46 ◼ ► people just go into another room because [TS]

01:30:48 ◼ ► i think the bottom brightness setting is [TS]

01:30:49 ◼ ► too dim to look at like what does two [TS]

01:30:52 ◼ ► things that they're here one is is it [TS]

01:30:54 ◼ ► putting it off enough light to annoy [TS]

01:30:55 ◼ ► other person is trying to sleep in the [TS]

01:30:57 ◼ ► room [TS]

01:30:57 ◼ ► yes I grant you it's doing that but the [TS]

01:30:58 ◼ ► other is does it look like a normal [TS]

01:31:00 ◼ ► screen or doesn't look like a screen [TS]

01:31:02 ◼ ► that's broken and when you put the [TS]

01:31:03 ◼ ► brightness of the bottom setting in any [TS]

01:31:05 ◼ ► iOS device basically looks broken like [TS]

01:31:06 ◼ ► things don't look right anymore it's not [TS]

01:31:08 ◼ ► just the dimmer version of the screen [TS]

01:31:09 ◼ ► now you're changing in a material way [TS]

01:31:11 ◼ ► like there are things that you can't [TS]

01:31:13 ◼ ► read because the contrast is too low [TS]

01:31:15 ◼ ► everything is super dark it does not [TS]

01:31:16 ◼ ► look like a slightly dimmer version i [TS]

01:31:18 ◼ ► thought your point I thought you were [TS]

01:31:19 ◼ ► going to say about the screens is and [TS]

01:31:21 ◼ ► I've heard this complaint as well as [TS]

01:31:22 ◼ ► that in with the dawning of LED [TS]

01:31:24 ◼ ► backlights many years ago on most [TS]

01:31:25 ◼ ► devices they go way too high [TS]

01:31:28 ◼ ► like the top brightness setting is [TS]

01:31:29 ◼ ► blinding noon in the noonday Sun have to [TS]

01:31:32 ◼ ► put on a mask is like these like [TS]

01:31:34 ◼ ► monitors from the random brands that are [TS]

01:31:39 ◼ ► not like Apple monitors or dell HP but [TS]

01:31:42 ◼ ► just that mean that you know Brandi [TS]

01:31:44 ◼ ► you've never heard of that is really [TS]

01:31:45 ◼ ► cheap monitors and their top brightness [TS]

01:31:47 ◼ ► setting you can cook eggs with it [TS]

01:31:49 ◼ ► I just they get really really bright no [TS]

01:31:52 ◼ ► I mean even apples like my I have my [TS]

01:31:54 ◼ ► five kids had my 5k is set to use one [TS]

01:31:56 ◼ ► notch above the middle [TS]

01:31:57 ◼ ► yeah because like the it's way too [TS]

01:31:58 ◼ ► bright if it's set up more than that [TS]

01:32:00 ◼ ► yeah it's just it's crazy but I which is [TS]

01:32:02 ◼ ► good i like having that headroom I guess [TS]

01:32:04 ◼ ► I mean maybe you still want it like you [TS]

01:32:06 ◼ ► know if I said noon day Sun but if you [TS]

01:32:08 ◼ ► actually have your iphone 6 out in the [TS]

01:32:09 ◼ ► noonday Sun and put on max brightness [TS]

01:32:11 ◼ ► you'll see it's actually not that bright [TS]

01:32:12 ◼ ► after all compared to the Sun right and [TS]

01:32:14 ◼ ► that's something like you they they do [TS]

01:32:16 ◼ ► this it makes a lot of sense on portable [TS]

01:32:17 ◼ ► devices especially because if you have [TS]

01:32:20 ◼ ► to use it outside in sunlight it you [TS]

01:32:22 ◼ ► really need every bit of brightness you [TS]

01:32:24 ◼ ► can get but what you need there watching [TS]

01:32:26 ◼ ► you there's different display text [TS]

01:32:27 ◼ ► because lcds as you crank the brightness [TS]

01:32:29 ◼ ► you just get like if you have a [TS]

01:32:30 ◼ ► completely black screen you crank the [TS]

01:32:32 ◼ ► brightness to max that you can use a [TS]

01:32:34 ◼ ► black led-backlit screen completely [TS]

01:32:37 ◼ ► black one has a flashlight in a dark [TS]

01:32:39 ◼ ► room because that's how much light just [TS]

01:32:41 ◼ ► comes through it is it because it's [TS]

01:32:42 ◼ ► basically back [TS]

01:32:42 ◼ ► is on behind every single pixel and the [TS]

01:32:44 ◼ ► little liquid crystal things are trying [TS]

01:32:46 ◼ ► not light through but they do which is [TS]

01:32:47 ◼ ► why plasma TVs look better so oled [TS]

01:32:50 ◼ ► doesn't have that problem because it is [TS]

01:32:52 ◼ ► just cause not causing the pixels that [TS]

01:32:54 ◼ ► are not lit up there just not admitting [TS]

01:32:56 ◼ ► any light there's no light behind they [TS]

01:32:57 ◼ ► don't have to block and we're just not [TS]

01:32:58 ◼ ► putting it like a plasma they're just [TS]

01:33:00 ◼ ► not putting out any light so they moved [TS]

01:33:01 ◼ ► to oled could help because if you if you [TS]

01:33:03 ◼ ► did have like I'm cranking my iphone 6 [TS]

01:33:05 ◼ ► brightness in the noonday Sun and i [TS]

01:33:07 ◼ ► still can't see the screen even if you [TS]

01:33:09 ◼ ► put a backlight behind it was this [TS]

01:33:10 ◼ ► gigantic super-bright backlight you with [TS]

01:33:13 ◼ ► the contrast between the white regions [TS]

01:33:15 ◼ ► and the black would still be basically [TS]

01:33:17 ◼ ► the same ratio and so it's still look [TS]

01:33:19 ◼ ► all washed out and in the noonday Sun [TS]

01:33:21 ◼ ► what you really need is to say this is [TS]

01:33:22 ◼ ► you know you can turn the backlight down [TS]

01:33:24 ◼ ► to a degree where that the LCD screen [TS]

01:33:27 ◼ ► can block the light going to resist so [TS]

01:33:29 ◼ ► the light is so windy that it doesn't go [TS]

01:33:30 ◼ ► through but the room is so dark that [TS]

01:33:32 ◼ ► where does come through you get a better [TS]

01:33:34 ◼ ► contrast ratio so different display text [TS]

01:33:37 ◼ ► missing before you get to reflect the [TS]

01:33:38 ◼ ► display type which of course is a real [TS]

01:33:39 ◼ ► way to go where there's not actually [TS]

01:33:40 ◼ ► like coming from behind it but like a [TS]

01:33:42 ◼ ► kindle you're relying on the sunlight [TS]

01:33:44 ◼ ► coming down and bouncing off and you [TS]

01:33:46 ◼ ► just make regions of a black so it [TS]

01:33:47 ◼ ► doesn't talk as much and then you get [TS]

01:33:49 ◼ ► something that acts like a an actual [TS]

01:33:50 ◼ ► book a paper book where it becomes more [TS]

01:33:52 ◼ ► readable and sunrise instead of less but [TS]

01:33:54 ◼ ► we do not have a good hybrid between [TS]

01:33:56 ◼ ► back lift and reflective screens there [TS]

01:34:00 ◼ ► are a lot of ones that have been tried [TS]

01:34:01 ◼ ► involving either an LCD or combinations [TS]

01:34:03 ◼ ► various other tech and none of them are [TS]

01:34:05 ◼ ► mainstream yet so we'll still wait for [TS]

01:34:06 ◼ ► that but in the meantime I'll let is the [TS]

01:34:08 ◼ ► next significant step in this area that [TS]

01:34:09 ◼ ► should really help on this week's [TS]

01:34:12 ◼ ► connected [TS]

01:34:13 ◼ ► federico talks a bit about night shift [TS]

01:34:16 ◼ ► and he had said that he had been using [TS]

01:34:18 ◼ ► it for a while and then he went back to [TS]

01:34:21 ◼ ► I think he turned it off or something [TS]

01:34:23 ◼ ► like that he said I think it said that [TS]

01:34:25 ◼ ► it was like getting stabbed in the eye [TS]

01:34:26 ◼ ► because you're federico doesn't believe [TS]

01:34:29 ◼ ► in sleeping when the rest of italy [TS]

01:34:31 ◼ ► sleeps he sleeps when we sleep and so he [TS]

01:34:34 ◼ ► said it was really jarring when he had [TS]

01:34:36 ◼ ► turned off in the middle of the night so [TS]

01:34:37 ◼ ► whether or not it's real [TS]

01:34:40 ◼ ► it certainly is a strong placebo from [TS]

01:34:42 ◼ ► what i can tell i mean it's also just [TS]

01:34:44 ◼ ► like as i mentioned like your eyes [TS]

01:34:45 ◼ ► adjust to it your eyes have you know [TS]

01:34:47 ◼ ► auto white balance on camera terms the [TS]

01:34:49 ◼ ► difference when you when you're not [TS]

01:34:51 ◼ ► adjusted it's a huge difference you know [TS]

01:34:54 ◼ ► in the East with a easy to see the stiff [TS]

01:34:56 ◼ ► Prince is if you have a camera set the [TS]

01:34:59 ◼ ► white balance on it manually to daylight [TS]

01:35:02 ◼ ► and take a picture outside during [TS]

01:35:04 ◼ ► daylight and it should look normal [TS]

01:35:07 ◼ ► then sit with it's still set to daylight [TS]

01:35:09 ◼ ► take a picture inside your house at [TS]

01:35:11 ◼ ► night and everything will look insanely [TS]

01:35:13 ◼ ► yellow it's a huge difference it this is [TS]

01:35:16 ◼ ► not a subtle shift in colors it's a [TS]

01:35:19 ◼ ► massive difference if you are just you [TS]

01:35:21 ◼ ► know using your device one night with [TS]

01:35:23 ◼ ► this feature enabled the whole night and [TS]

01:35:25 ◼ ► the next night you have the feature [TS]

01:35:26 ◼ ► disabled the whole night you might not [TS]

01:35:28 ◼ ► even notice the difference because your [TS]

01:35:30 ◼ ► eyes are adjusting as night falls the [TS]

01:35:32 ◼ ► entire time as the thing is happening [TS]

01:35:34 ◼ ► too slow change but if you then [TS]

01:35:36 ◼ ► immediately while your eyes are adjusted [TS]

01:35:38 ◼ ► to the warm color immediately see cool [TS]

01:35:41 ◼ ► colors then it's gonna be very jarring I [TS]

01:35:44 ◼ ► don't think that necessarily says like [TS]

01:35:45 ◼ ► how big of a difference this makes [TS]

01:35:48 ◼ ► whatever I think it's just like yeah [TS]

01:35:50 ◼ ► the shift is a big shift you know but I [TS]

01:35:53 ◼ ► i still don't i don't think we we have [TS]

01:35:55 ◼ ► any thing to show this is like super [TS]

01:35:58 ◼ ► effective I think I you know it's [TS]

01:35:59 ◼ ► primarily anesthetic preference and then [TS]

01:36:03 ◼ ► it might be related to eye strain or you [TS]

01:36:06 ◼ ► know like the the the ease on your eyes [TS]

01:36:08 ◼ ► a but the other the connection to sleep [TS]

01:36:10 ◼ ► quality i think it is still very [TS]

01:36:12 ◼ ► unproven so we're running a bit long and [TS]

01:36:15 ◼ ► I'd like to wrap somewhat soon but I [TS]

01:36:18 ◼ ► really wanted to at least bring up this [TS]

01:36:20 ◼ ► multi-user ipad thing for the classroom [TS]

01:36:23 ◼ ► so apparently there's going to be a [TS]

01:36:26 ◼ ► whole bunch of changes for using iPads [TS]

01:36:30 ◼ ► in the classroom and again this was [TS]

01:36:31 ◼ ► covered in the most recent episode of [TS]

01:36:33 ◼ ► connected where Frazier Spears showed up [TS]

01:36:34 ◼ ► and it genuinely seems really really [TS]

01:36:38 ◼ ► interesting some of the stuff they're [TS]

01:36:39 ◼ ► doing [TS]

01:36:39 ◼ ► teachers can look at other to look at [TS]

01:36:42 ◼ ► their pupil screens we're not sure if [TS]

01:36:44 ◼ ► that's live or if it's just like a [TS]

01:36:46 ◼ ► snapshot it there's multi-user ipad so [TS]

01:36:49 ◼ ► you so a user can log into any ipad and [TS]

01:36:51 ◼ ► get their home folder so to speak on [TS]

01:36:55 ◼ ► that ipad we don't know a whole lot [TS]

01:36:57 ◼ ► about it but it seems really interesting [TS]

01:36:58 ◼ ► i'm fascinated to hear the reports from [TS]

01:37:02 ◼ ► from the field how this works but I'm [TS]

01:37:04 ◼ ► very skeptical it'll ever land on [TS]

01:37:07 ◼ ► regular consumer ipad [TS]

01:37:09 ◼ ► that's what do you guys think is that [TS]

01:37:11 ◼ ► it's got to come to regular this is one [TS]

01:37:12 ◼ ► of those like bigger iPads like it is [TS]

01:37:14 ◼ ► guaranteed this is going to come [TS]

01:37:15 ◼ ► eventually it's just a question of when [TS]

01:37:17 ◼ ► because us enough iPads are shared [TS]

01:37:20 ◼ ► devices and families even it's just like [TS]

01:37:21 ◼ ► the three kids fighting over the the two [TS]

01:37:24 ◼ ► generations old ipad that has been [TS]

01:37:26 ◼ ► handed down to them [TS]

01:37:27 ◼ ► yeah they just need that like it they [TS]

01:37:31 ◼ ► may be this feature for a long time and [TS]

01:37:33 ◼ ► it seems like it's not it seems like it [TS]

01:37:35 ◼ ► shouldn't be too hard to do like it [TS]

01:37:38 ◼ ► doesn't break any sort of you I paradigm [TS]

01:37:41 ◼ ► they could just have an app for [TS]

01:37:42 ◼ ► switching or whatever like it's because [TS]

01:37:45 ◼ ► once you're using it as a user is just [TS]

01:37:46 ◼ ► like a regular ipad and the only context [TS]

01:37:48 ◼ ► switches oh well you know now your [TS]

01:37:50 ◼ ► sister wants to give it to her and then [TS]

01:37:51 ◼ ► she watches that same happened [TS]

01:37:54 ◼ ► taps on her icon and now it's her iPad [TS]

01:37:57 ◼ ► and they have to fight over storage [TS]

01:37:58 ◼ ► space you use iCloud to mitigate bad and [TS]

01:38:00 ◼ ► what happens if you know enough room [TS]

01:38:02 ◼ ► iCloud then when your sister logs in you [TS]

01:38:04 ◼ ► lose your save data because it can [TS]

01:38:05 ◼ ► upload the iCloud and you know there are [TS]

01:38:07 ◼ ► details to work out here and there but [TS]

01:38:10 ◼ ► this seems like a very obvious feature [TS]

01:38:12 ◼ ► that needs to come time especially f [TS]

01:38:14 ◼ ► iPads continue to you know be more [TS]

01:38:16 ◼ ► sophisticated in the ipad pro and [TS]

01:38:18 ◼ ► everything [TS]

01:38:19 ◼ ► multiple users is a thing that we know [TS]

01:38:21 ◼ ► is useful for large devices with [TS]

01:38:24 ◼ ► multiple people might use like imax or [TS]

01:38:26 ◼ ► even laptops or even ipad pros and i'm [TS]

01:38:30 ◼ ► not sure i would assume that it's [TS]

01:38:31 ◼ ► definitely coming to like regular [TS]

01:38:34 ◼ ► consumer iPads I mean you know setting [TS]

01:38:36 ◼ ► up the education environment is [TS]

01:38:38 ◼ ► presumably like a big provisioning thing [TS]

01:38:40 ◼ ► like i would imagine the kind of thing [TS]

01:38:42 ◼ ► that it will it doesn't like it's very [TS]

01:38:44 ◼ ► useful for education but I i'm not [TS]

01:38:46 ◼ ► really sure Apple cares enough about [TS]

01:38:49 ◼ ► enabling multi-user iPads for in [TS]

01:38:51 ◼ ► people's houses because right now the [TS]

01:38:53 ◼ ► way it solved is either you know either [TS]

01:38:56 ◼ ► it's not solved and you stay logged in [TS]

01:38:57 ◼ ► as one person and everyone just went to [TS]

01:38:59 ◼ ► your high scores or people get different [TS]

01:39:02 ◼ ► ipad for different people at the end [TS]

01:39:03 ◼ ► that's that's probably what Apple wants [TS]

01:39:05 ◼ ► apple wants everyone to have their own [TS]

01:39:06 ◼ ► ipad I'm not sure because if you think [TS]

01:39:08 ◼ ► about what's involved in this in a home [TS]

01:39:11 ◼ ► environment without without like the [TS]

01:39:13 ◼ ► central management of of the school's [TS]

01:39:14 ◼ ► doing in a home environment what's [TS]

01:39:16 ◼ ► involved here is like things that things [TS]

01:39:19 ◼ ► that are really messy and iOS today such [TS]

01:39:21 ◼ ► as having multiple [TS]

01:39:22 ◼ ► itunes store account login same device [TS]

01:39:24 ◼ ► apps from different people install from [TS]

01:39:27 ◼ ► different accounts installed but that's [TS]

01:39:29 ◼ ► all been solved in Ostend I mean like [TS]

01:39:31 ◼ ► it's the same underpinnings you have [TS]

01:39:33 ◼ ► multi it's a multi-user system you have [TS]

01:39:35 ◼ ► separate you know it the directories in [TS]

01:39:37 ◼ ► accounts in sandboxes and yet you can [TS]

01:39:40 ◼ ► have two people logged in to different [TS]

01:39:41 ◼ ► apple ideas and different accounts into [TS]

01:39:43 ◼ ► the store like it just seems like this [TS]

01:39:45 ◼ ► is all there's no tech reason there's [TS]

01:39:47 ◼ ► very little you I reason the only reason [TS]

01:39:48 ◼ ► it hasn't been done so far is because [TS]

01:39:50 ◼ ► it's not really an important feature but [TS]

01:39:51 ◼ ► it's one of those ones that I feel like [TS]

01:39:53 ◼ ► they're going to get around to [TS]

01:39:53 ◼ ► eventually and I don't think anyone has [TS]

01:39:56 ◼ ► ever and not purchased another iPad [TS]

01:39:58 ◼ ► because their current one likely they [TS]

01:40:00 ◼ ► would say well we're going to get in [TS]

01:40:01 ◼ ► alright but this one has multiple users [TS]

01:40:03 ◼ ► no kids will still complaining when [TS]

01:40:04 ◼ ► multiple you don't like forget it i [TS]

01:40:06 ◼ ► don't know if you can afford it you buy [TS]

01:40:08 ◼ ► one if you can afford it why don't you [TS]

01:40:09 ◼ ► buy one if you can't afford and don't [TS]

01:40:10 ◼ ► want it you don't buy one [TS]

01:40:12 ◼ ► all this is going to do is make our [TS]

01:40:13 ◼ ► lives a little bit better for people who [TS]

01:40:16 ◼ ► don't want to buy another ipad and do [TS]

01:40:18 ◼ ► want their kids to share it and are sick [TS]

01:40:20 ◼ ► of hearing people complain about it he [TS]

01:40:22 ◼ ► broke my mind minecraft castles or he [TS]

01:40:24 ◼ ► messed with my high scores are deleted [TS]

01:40:27 ◼ ► the app that I want her read my texts or [TS]

01:40:29 ◼ ► whatever complaints people are going to [TS]

01:40:31 ◼ ► have yeah I I just think it has to come [TS]

01:40:34 ◼ ► but not anytime soon i'm not saying that [TS]

01:40:36 ◼ ► even this year or next year but you know [TS]

01:40:38 ◼ ► eventually there's going to be a ir s [TS]

01:40:41 ◼ ► version 13 and they're going to features [TS]

01:40:43 ◼ ► for it and this is gonna be one [TS]

01:40:45 ◼ ► yeah maybe but I I'll is it's the kind [TS]

01:40:48 ◼ ► of thing where like the amount of work [TS]

01:40:50 ◼ ► it takes to have like you know to [TS]

01:40:52 ◼ ► separate out like all the iCloud and app [TS]

01:40:55 ◼ ► store stuff with multiple logins and iOS [TS]

01:40:57 ◼ ► like the amount of work is going to take [TS]

01:40:59 ◼ ► but isn't that already done [TS]

01:41:00 ◼ ► don't you think it's already done like [TS]

01:41:01 ◼ ► are no we essentially I are we [TS]

01:41:03 ◼ ► essentially using a multi-user system [TS]

01:41:05 ◼ ► that just has one user on it [TS]

01:41:07 ◼ ► well it's it's done at the level of like [TS]

01:41:09 ◼ ► the unix user-level sure but it's I [TS]

01:41:12 ◼ ► don't think it's done at like the the [TS]

01:41:14 ◼ ► like services integration level like I [TS]

01:41:17 ◼ ► don't think you have but what but I [TS]

01:41:18 ◼ ► wouldn't be done at that level because [TS]

01:41:20 ◼ ► those same demons the same thing [TS]

01:41:21 ◼ ► concerning I was 10 [TS]

01:41:22 ◼ ► well first of all it doesn't work that [TS]

01:41:24 ◼ ► great understand a lot of times but it's [TS]

01:41:25 ◼ ► a very different environment but like [TS]

01:41:26 ◼ ► this [TS]

01:41:27 ◼ ► keep in mind i was this is also the part [TS]

01:41:30 ◼ ► of iOS that not only relies on that big [TS]

01:41:33 ◼ ► messy store and icloud back [TS]

01:41:36 ◼ ► it's really hard to get anything out of [TS]

01:41:37 ◼ ► but also this seems to be the buggiest [TS]

01:41:40 ◼ ► part of iOS is like the part that [TS]

01:41:42 ◼ ► manages your account logins to these [TS]

01:41:44 ◼ ► backends that is its it is so always [TS]

01:41:47 ◼ ► fraught with minor bugs that like pop-up [TS]

01:41:50 ◼ ► dialog for you to login on the time and [TS]

01:41:52 ◼ ► everything like that doesn't like that [TS]

01:41:54 ◼ ► doesn't on the mac too but yeah and that [TS]

01:41:56 ◼ ► part of iOS is a mess and it's probably [TS]

01:41:59 ◼ ► a mess for a good reason [TS]

01:42:00 ◼ ► it's probably a mess because it would be [TS]

01:42:03 ◼ ► so much work to fix it that they just [TS]

01:42:06 ◼ ► will never get around to to improving it [TS]

01:42:08 ◼ ► like i donated time scale mean I'mI'm [TS]

01:42:10 ◼ ► executives say never but like but well [TS]

01:42:12 ◼ ► but but why is it a mess on the mac like [TS]

01:42:14 ◼ ► it just seems like what I would expect [TS]

01:42:15 ◼ ► for them to implement the multi-user [TS]

01:42:17 ◼ ► feature there may be some things that [TS]

01:42:18 ◼ ► they make where they cut cards that have [TS]

01:42:20 ◼ ► to go back and fixed up for the most [TS]

01:42:21 ◼ ► part where you end up with two is with [TS]

01:42:23 ◼ ► two separate messages you have multiple [TS]

01:42:24 ◼ ► users both of which would experience the [TS]

01:42:26 ◼ ► weather that we talked about in the past [TS]

01:42:27 ◼ ► show or sometimes it keeps asking for [TS]

01:42:29 ◼ ► your password and they would both [TS]

01:42:30 ◼ ► experience that they would both get [TS]

01:42:31 ◼ ► their own little private experience of [TS]

01:42:33 ◼ ► those bugs but i but i don't see that as [TS]

01:42:35 ◼ ► an impediment to then both having their [TS]

01:42:37 ◼ ► own private experience of those bucks i [TS]

01:42:39 ◼ ► think you're you're making very bold [TS]

01:42:42 ◼ ► assumptions that that like Marco said [TS]

01:42:45 ◼ ► the unix underpinnings of iOS have [TS]

01:42:47 ◼ ► written all the way to the user facing [TS]

01:42:50 ◼ ► portions of iOS if I were apple and i [TS]

01:42:52 ◼ ► was writing iOS code way back when when [TS]

01:42:55 ◼ ► it wasn't even a thought that there will [TS]

01:42:57 ◼ ► be multiple users [TS]

01:42:59 ◼ ► you bet I would probably be taking [TS]

01:43:00 ◼ ► shortcuts to try to get things out the [TS]

01:43:02 ◼ ► door quickly that assume that will that [TS]

01:43:05 ◼ ► there were only ever be one user to any [TS]

01:43:06 ◼ ► of these systems I i really think that [TS]

01:43:09 ◼ ► that Marcos right now you're it's gonna [TS]

01:43:11 ◼ ► be a long time before we see this now [TS]

01:43:13 ◼ ► but here so I i agree with that they did [TS]

01:43:15 ◼ ► take those shortcuts that the iOS one [TS]

01:43:17 ◼ ► point or iphone OS there was no evidence [TS]

01:43:19 ◼ ► was all it was just a master collection [TS]

01:43:21 ◼ ► of shortcuts it had to be to even you [TS]

01:43:23 ◼ ► know get things to work but this feature [TS]

01:43:25 ◼ ► in iOS 9.3 shows that they've actually [TS]

01:43:28 ◼ ► done the work already and it's only a [TS]

01:43:29 ◼ ► question like they had to have done the [TS]

01:43:31 ◼ ► work because Hey look multiple users and [TS]

01:43:33 ◼ ► yes for enterprising classroom and [TS]

01:43:34 ◼ ► server and cloud and it's as is aimed at [TS]

01:43:36 ◼ ► a different user base or whatever but [TS]

01:43:38 ◼ ► they had to have done that work they had [TS]

01:43:39 ◼ ► to have gone through everything and said [TS]

01:43:41 ◼ ► final place to recut cars because this [TS]

01:43:42 ◼ ► thing isn't gonna work at all if when [TS]

01:43:44 ◼ ► one student logs in this is the other [TS]

01:43:46 ◼ ► person stuff or if they can't log into [TS]

01:43:48 ◼ ► the you know they're doing [TS]

01:43:49 ◼ ► that is being done and so once that's [TS]

01:43:51 ◼ ► done it's only a matter of time before [TS]

01:43:54 ◼ ► they decide to eventually get around to [TS]

01:43:56 ◼ ► giving you the version of this that's [TS]

01:43:57 ◼ ► not just for classrooms [TS]

01:43:59 ◼ ► well it's I mean it's done to some [TS]

01:44:01 ◼ ► degree and we don't mean none of us know [TS]

01:44:03 ◼ ► if we should ask for your Spears we none [TS]

01:44:05 ◼ ► of us know like to what degree this is [TS]

01:44:07 ◼ ► done like how like what is kept per user [TS]

01:44:10 ◼ ► like what what isn't [TS]

01:44:11 ◼ ► you know but like you know is it like [TS]

01:44:13 ◼ ► down to the iCloud account level [TS]

01:44:14 ◼ ► includes every kid in my class account [TS]

01:44:16 ◼ ► or just like their own files and [TS]

01:44:18 ◼ ► probably I don't know I i would guess it [TS]

01:44:20 ◼ ► is it is done to a fairly shallow level [TS]

01:44:22 ◼ ► i would not expect this to be an easy [TS]

01:44:25 ◼ ► way to just say i will just take this [TS]

01:44:27 ◼ ► and just enable it for everybody like [TS]

01:44:29 ◼ ► that i don't think it's gonna be that [TS]

01:44:30 ◼ ► simple i just had a sad thought which is [TS]

01:44:32 ◼ ► their multi user switching could [TS]

01:44:34 ◼ ► basically be a race the everything about [TS]

01:44:36 ◼ ► the previous user and go through really [TS]

01:44:38 ◼ ► fast for setup process like in other [TS]

01:44:39 ◼ ► words there's only ever one user and [TS]

01:44:41 ◼ ► switching involves deleting the user [TS]

01:44:44 ◼ ► that was there and putting in another [TS]

01:44:46 ◼ ► user so really is single user all the [TS]

01:44:47 ◼ ► time and all they do is delete [TS]

01:44:48 ◼ ► everything having to do with one user [TS]

01:44:49 ◼ ► really hope they didn't implement that [TS]

01:44:51 ◼ ► way but that would probably work i think [TS]

01:44:52 ◼ ► didn't I think freezer so that might be [TS]

01:44:54 ◼ ► actually how it is done he was saying [TS]

01:44:56 ◼ ► like it's not it's not a room for your [TS]

01:44:57 ◼ ► stuff the ideas that will take your [TS]

01:44:59 ◼ ► stuff and put it in my club which makes [TS]

01:45:00 ◼ ► sense because like if if you switch [TS]

01:45:02 ◼ ► accounts to somebody who has more stuff [TS]

01:45:04 ◼ ► thinking fit on the current ipad you [TS]

01:45:06 ◼ ► have to purge the old person stop [TS]

01:45:07 ◼ ► especially with a classroom because of [TS]

01:45:08 ◼ ► class and i padded club in a classroom [TS]

01:45:10 ◼ ► doesn't have three users are gonna have [TS]

01:45:12 ◼ ► like 15 or 20 and so you can't 15-20 [TS]

01:45:15 ◼ ► people stuff on there so as you change [TS]

01:45:17 ◼ ► users eventually someone stops got to [TS]

01:45:18 ◼ ► get purged on but i'm thinking of like [TS]

01:45:21 ◼ ► this scenario where every time you [TS]

01:45:23 ◼ ► switch user it says there used to be [TS]

01:45:24 ◼ ► another user of this ipad but forget I [TS]

01:45:26 ◼ ► ever existed delete all their stuff push [TS]

01:45:28 ◼ ► it up to the cloud blah blah blah and [TS]

01:45:31 ◼ ► create a new user and it's only ever a [TS]

01:45:33 ◼ ► single-user ipad as far as the ipad is [TS]

01:45:35 ◼ ► concerned there's only ever been one [TS]

01:45:36 ◼ ► user to changes periodically and that [TS]

01:45:38 ◼ ► would be depressing and that would be a [TS]

01:45:40 ◼ ► way to implement this is a shortcut but [TS]

01:45:41 ◼ ► i really hope you didn't do that but [TS]

01:45:43 ◼ ► honestly I i do think that in this day [TS]

01:45:45 ◼ ► and age you know it makes sense to do [TS]

01:45:47 ◼ ► this in classrooms where you might have [TS]

01:45:49 ◼ ► a bunch of devices like stationary [TS]

01:45:52 ◼ ► installed in a classroom like in a lab [TS]

01:45:54 ◼ ► or something like that or you have to [TS]

01:45:56 ◼ ► you have to share between people because [TS]

01:45:57 ◼ ► you don't have enough like that probably [TS]

01:45:59 ◼ ► happens a lot education I think in this [TS]

01:46:01 ◼ ► day and age [TS]

01:46:02 ◼ ► I don't think we really need to be that [TS]

01:46:04 ◼ ► concerned with multi-user use of today's [TS]

01:46:08 ◼ ► ipads iphones and laptops like desktops [TS]

01:46:12 ◼ ► maybe even laptops and most most people [TS]

01:46:15 ◼ ► I i would love to have data on like what [TS]

01:46:19 ◼ ► percentage of max out their have more [TS]

01:46:21 ◼ ► than one user account whatever you wait [TS]

01:46:24 ◼ ► till Adam gets older and he wants to use [TS]

01:46:25 ◼ ► your computer and suddenly you'll be [TS]

01:46:27 ◼ ► thankful that you can give him his own [TS]

01:46:28 ◼ ► account August by cases i'm at that [TS]

01:46:30 ◼ ► point given given me you know just by [TS]

01:46:32 ◼ ► his own computer right yeah if you're [TS]

01:46:34 ◼ ► gonna put a computer in the ruin your [TS]

01:46:36 ◼ ► seven-year-olds room and then come back [TS]

01:46:38 ◼ ► and scrape the peanut butter off the [TS]

01:46:39 ◼ ► screen periodically but i doing iPads [TS]

01:46:41 ◼ ► now i will not in his room but yeah I [TS]

01:46:44 ◼ ► have to clean the people are off of my [TS]

01:46:46 ◼ ► ipad air 2 now whenever she does it [TS]

01:46:49 ◼ ► anyway multiple accounts i think it's a [TS]

01:46:51 ◼ ► good idea i don't think i don't think [TS]

01:46:53 ◼ ► it's going away and whether you think [TS]

01:46:56 ◼ ► it's important for iphones and ipads [TS]

01:46:57 ◼ ► that exists now as the ipad pro [TS]

01:46:59 ◼ ► continues to develop in that direction [TS]

01:47:01 ◼ ► as it becomes a more viable desktop and [TS]

01:47:04 ◼ ► laptop replacement I think it's [TS]

01:47:05 ◼ ► inevitable but I i concede that i may be [TS]

01:47:08 ◼ ► overestimating the sophistication of [TS]

01:47:10 ◼ ► this multi-user implementation there may [TS]

01:47:11 ◼ ► be a massive amount of work to be done [TS]

01:47:13 ◼ ► I still think it will happen but let's [TS]

01:47:14 ◼ ► just push the timeline out a few more [TS]

01:47:15 ◼ ► years [TS]

01:47:16 ◼ ► very good alright thanks a lot to r3 [TS]

01:47:20 ◼ ► sponsors this week fracture blue apron [TS]

01:47:22 ◼ ► and hover and we will see you next week [TS]

01:47:26 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:47:32 ◼ ► mean to be in [TS]

01:47:33 ◼ ► because it was accidental it was [TS]

01:47:37 ◼ ► accidental [TS]

01:47:39 ◼ ► John any research Marco and Casey would [TS]

01:47:43 ◼ ► know [TS]

01:47:44 ◼ ► because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:47:47 ◼ ► accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:47:51 ◼ ► know the day EP dot and it for twitter [TS]

01:47:57 ◼ ► follow them [TS]

01:48:00 ◼ ► yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:48:05 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment are see that [TS]

01:48:14 ◼ ► Syracuse [TS]

01:48:27 ◼ ► tired probably looking too many blue [TS]

01:48:31 ◼ ► screens probably like last couple [TS]

01:48:34 ◼ ► episodes been pretty good we can put [TS]

01:48:36 ◼ ► that in the show because it's you know [TS]

01:48:38 ◼ ► too self-congratulatory as I say it's [TS]

01:48:40 ◼ ► gonna be a short show you have really [TS]

01:48:42 ◼ ► yeah it's true [TS]

01:48:43 ◼ ► yeah yeah let's follow up follow us back [TS]

01:48:45 ◼ ► follow-up was back with a vengeance [TS]

01:48:47 ◼ ► today that's true well that the place [TS]

01:48:49 ◼ ► was it was really a topic that was like [TS]

01:48:51 ◼ ► more about flex about that i mean both [TS]

01:48:53 ◼ ► of you have very different lots of [TS]

01:48:55 ◼ ► difficulties with the concept of [TS]

01:48:56 ◼ ► follow-up in the format [TS]

01:48:58 ◼ ► haha hey please educate us [TS]

01:49:01 ◼ ► Casey's a tale of woe like it just like [TS]

01:49:04 ◼ ► well we usually start with follow-up but [TS]

01:49:05 ◼ ► instead we're gonna start with other [TS]

01:49:06 ◼ ► thing which is properly a topic and then [TS]

01:49:08 ◼ ► flex and infuse app infuse app is [TS]

01:49:11 ◼ ► followed by him let's talk about the [TS]

01:49:12 ◼ ► views that the people recommended here's [TS]

01:49:13 ◼ ► how it works for us Bob LA but then it [TS]

01:49:16 ◼ ► is spinning off into hairs what you know [TS]

01:49:19 ◼ ► my complaints about blacks I'm guilty [TS]

01:49:20 ◼ ► just because you believe me into it [TS]

01:49:22 ◼ ► oh yeah it's all our fault how you gonna [TS]

01:49:23 ◼ ► flex and you guide duplex and what [TS]

01:49:26 ◼ ► you've heard like flex is a topic your [TS]

01:49:28 ◼ ► tailbone was a topic the follow-up item [TS]

01:49:30 ◼ ► you could clear this infuse item and [TS]

01:49:31 ◼ ► like you know two-and-a-half minutes if [TS]

01:49:33 ◼ ► we just hit the bullet points anyway we [TS]

01:49:35 ◼ ► survived the show survives we soldier on [TS]

01:49:37 ◼ ► but I was actually thinking as we were [TS]

01:49:39 ◼ ► I i noticed as we were talking about [TS]

01:49:41 ◼ ► Casey's imac for 40 minutes before we [TS]

01:49:43 ◼ ► even begin follow-up I thought you know [TS]

01:49:46 ◼ ► this is actually a better format i kinda [TS]

01:49:48 ◼ ► like having the follow-up like after [TS]

01:49:50 ◼ ► topic one because it gives you a chance [TS]

01:49:52 ◼ ► to like get into the show with something [TS]

01:49:54 ◼ ► new first now it doesn't logically [TS]

01:49:58 ◼ ► speaking you hear the previous show and [TS]

01:50:00 ◼ ► you're angry because they got a bunch of [TS]

01:50:02 ◼ ► stuff wrong with the next episode start [TS]

01:50:03 ◼ ► you want to hear immediately the case he [TS]

01:50:05 ◼ ► knows that he got the c-sharp thing [TS]

01:50:06 ◼ ► wrong [TS]

01:50:07 ◼ ► yeah I don't know i-i-i put the tail [TS]

01:50:10 ◼ ► well first because i thought it was more [TS]

01:50:12 ◼ ► dramatic that way but i did kinda like [TS]

01:50:16 ◼ ► having a little something a little [TS]

01:50:18 ◼ ► appetizer before the follow-up but you [TS]

01:50:20 ◼ ► always do that yeah I didn't you always [TS]

01:50:22 ◼ ► that's the format of the show is it one [TS]

01:50:24 ◼ ► of you has something to say before we [TS]

01:50:25 ◼ ► begin to follow and how long the thing [TS]

01:50:27 ◼ ► is fine but here's an hour [TS]

01:50:28 ◼ ► this was my time to shine John don't [TS]

01:50:33 ◼ ► live here is your time to cry [TS]

01:50:35 ◼ ► sure your imac yeah how about that case [TS]

01:50:37 ◼ ► the the box that little a trapezoid [TS]

01:50:40 ◼ ► e-box yeah very weird i liked it very [TS]

01:50:42 ◼ ► weird [TS]

01:50:43 ◼ ► although I tell you what putting that [TS]

01:50:44 ◼ ► junk back into the styrofoam what a [TS]

01:50:46 ◼ ► disaster [TS]

01:50:47 ◼ ► mostly because i'm an idiot when it came [TS]

01:50:48 ◼ ► to that but really I found it very easy [TS]

01:50:52 ◼ ► to repack an imac find a pretty easy to [TS]

01:50:54 ◼ ► you just need practice [TS]

01:50:55 ◼ ► yeah what I've never had to deal with it [TS]

01:50:56 ◼ ► before i had to bring my head to bring [TS]

01:50:58 ◼ ► my thunderbolt display back to the apple [TS]

01:50:59 ◼ ► store many times I was the best man with [TS]

01:51:01 ◼ ► that size and shape [TS]

01:51:02 ◼ ► yeah but ya know I just never done it [TS]

01:51:06 ◼ ► before with a with something that shape [TS]

01:51:07 ◼ ► I mean unless I have a desktop it was a [TS]

01:51:09 ◼ ► tower which is a big rectangle so it was [TS]

01:51:11 ◼ ► very different for me and I don't quite [TS]

01:51:14 ◼ ► understand the the black aesthetic we [TS]

01:51:16 ◼ ► understand the box but usually the [TS]

01:51:18 ◼ ► things apple those boxes are about [TS]

01:51:20 ◼ ► fitting more in a shipping container you [TS]

01:51:21 ◼ ► know basically like in less [TS]

01:51:22 ◼ ► environmental waste more things you know [TS]

01:51:24 ◼ ► but more product and less volume right [TS]

01:51:27 ◼ ► but I really don't think they're packing [TS]

01:51:29 ◼ ► these things up like you know top bottom [TS]

01:51:31 ◼ ► top bottom top bottom to try to get [TS]

01:51:33 ◼ ► space-saving so I see is that wedge they [TS]

01:51:35 ◼ ► cut out of it is just empty space in the [TS]

01:51:37 ◼ ► shipping containers when they ship these [TS]

01:51:38 ◼ ► and you can you can only stack them on [TS]

01:51:40 ◼ ► the way now that anyway I it seems like [TS]

01:51:43 ◼ ► it's just an aesthetic thing which i can [TS]

01:51:45 ◼ ► buy but if there's some shipping related [TS]

01:51:48 ◼ ► reason why they want that taper I'd love [TS]

01:51:50 ◼ ► to hear it [TS]

01:51:51 ◼ ► why would you wouldn't stack them like [TS]

01:51:53 ◼ ► one right side up the next right upside [TS]

01:51:55 ◼ ► down no no I don't think they do that [TS]

01:51:56 ◼ ► like I would imagine that they're not [TS]

01:51:58 ◼ ► meant to be shipped upside down right [TS]

01:52:00 ◼ ► setups and right up it seemed i think [TS]

01:52:02 ◼ ► they're I bet they are [TS]

01:52:03 ◼ ► I bet they think so yeah it was like [TS]

01:52:05 ◼ ► what do you think they fill the gaps [TS]

01:52:06 ◼ ► with like a whole bunch of mighty my [TS]

01:52:07 ◼ ► secret is Topsail little triangles plus [TS]

01:52:11 ◼ ► that that's what I'm saying like it just [TS]

01:52:13 ◼ ► it just seems like the apps the apps [TS]

01:52:14 ◼ ► would be ere I i would imagine that [TS]

01:52:17 ◼ ► these things ship only in one [TS]

01:52:18 ◼ ► orientation for just for like the [TS]

01:52:20 ◼ ► security of like bouncing around and [TS]

01:52:23 ◼ ► cargo containers but maybe they do ship [TS]

01:52:24 ◼ ► find upside down and they do alternate [TS]

01:52:25 ◼ ► the chat room is very upset because you [TS]

01:52:28 ◼ ► are very wrong John there i'm wrong but [TS]

01:52:30 ◼ ► i want to do upside down right setup you [TS]

01:52:32 ◼ ► that you are wrong in saying that they [TS]

01:52:33 ◼ ► are all right setup they are they are [TS]

01:52:35 ◼ ► wedged in one right side up one upside [TS]

01:52:38 ◼ ► down as as mark when I suspected [TS]

01:52:40 ◼ ► yeah I I just thought they wouldn't do [TS]

01:52:42 ◼ ► that i thought the like that that [TS]

01:52:43 ◼ ► shipping upset i will be bad you know [TS]

01:52:45 ◼ ► the whole thing with a side of power [TS]

01:52:47 ◼ ► amazon boxes the numbers attention to i [TS]

01:52:49 ◼ ► see that i still see them on boxes that [TS]

01:52:51 ◼ ► come to my house usually not facing up [TS]

01:52:53 ◼ ► anymore [TS]

01:52:53 ◼ ► well I can imagine imagine how bad it [TS]

01:52:55 ◼ ► would be the because you know whatever [TS]

01:52:57 ◼ ► however Apple ships them that's [TS]

01:52:58 ◼ ► definitely on how like UPS and FedEx [TS]

01:53:00 ◼ ► going to ship them so like you know [TS]

01:53:02 ◼ ► imagine if you designed a computer and a [TS]

01:53:04 ◼ ► shipping method of that computer sucks [TS]

01:53:06 ◼ ► that it had to be kept a certain way up [TS]

01:53:08 ◼ ► otherwise it would just break [TS]

01:53:09 ◼ ► I don't like have to be just like that's [TS]

01:53:10 ◼ ► the best orientation is the most secure [TS]

01:53:12 ◼ ► so when Apple controls the shipments [TS]

01:53:14 ◼ ► like that but in the last mile it's all [TS]

01:53:16 ◼ ► over the place because he based a little [TS]

01:53:17 ◼ ► boxes all right yes it's somewhat but [TS]

01:53:19 ◼ ► the outer box is also that same shape [TS]

01:53:21 ◼ ► yeah yep as that they are the real [TS]

01:53:23 ◼ ► reason this of course is to make the [TS]

01:53:24 ◼ ► giant wheel imax those guys maybe credit [TS]

01:53:28 ◼ ► if you put them together not alternating [TS]

01:53:30 ◼ ► eventually you get a big wheel that you [TS]

01:53:33 ◼ ► can stand in the runaround [TS]

01:53:34 ◼ ► that's awesome that out on the quad and [TS]

01:53:36 ◼ ► their what I assume is their college [TS]

01:53:37 ◼ ► because where people have a this many [TS]

01:53:39 ◼ ► imax and be this much free time [TS]

01:53:41 ◼ ► yeah i think that their key the key [TS]

01:53:44 ◼ ► thing that they did either right or [TS]

01:53:45 ◼ ► wrong depending on your look at is these [TS]

01:53:47 ◼ ► empty boxes and so they were held [TS]

01:53:49 ◼ ► together had together with that with [TS]

01:53:51 ◼ ► like clear packing tape and everything [TS]

01:53:52 ◼ ► and eventually the packing tape and like [TS]

01:53:54 ◼ ► the boxes themselves structural [TS]

01:53:55 ◼ ► integrity together if you can i'm a cage [TS]

01:53:57 ◼ ► one of those things that would have some [TS]

01:53:58 ◼ ► serious momentum you could have ever [TS]

01:54:00 ◼ ► gotten moving [TS]

01:54:01 ◼ ► yeah we've been very heavy be very [TS]

01:54:03 ◼ ► expensive wheel [TS]

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