0:00:00but I did see Star Wars last night we
0:00:01talked about that for a while
0:00:03that's old news me and i miss my chance
0:00:06DeMarco seen that it's old news all
0:00:09downhill from there
0:00:10do you understand follow sure we
0:00:13actually have some one person is not
0:00:15have this i don't know this person who
0:00:18lives in Dubai or just knows about the
0:00:20apple store in Dubai but i'm trying to
0:00:22think of a reason why this person is not
0:00:23like every single person in the united
0:00:25states on vacation and not sending us
0:00:28any follow-up but an episode 149 we
0:00:32talked about the foliage walls and the
0:00:34Apple model store things from the 60
0:00:37minutes television show they showed like
0:00:40oh here's a store where we try out all
0:00:43the different ideas bad apple stores and
0:00:44they have this one wall of the store
0:00:45that had plants like real living plants
0:00:47just sort of cascading down the wall and
0:00:49I thought that would be funny if they
0:00:50actually put that in a store
0:00:51apparently they have this just goes to
0:00:54show that everything they show on 60
0:00:55minutes has to be something that already
0:00:56exists so there's no secrets are
0:00:58revealed and the apple store in dubai
0:01:00they have a foliage wall so there you go
0:01:02that's super exciting that is a definite
0:01:05reason to visit their just pet the
0:01:08foliage I wonder how that like I mean I
0:01:11guess they have to have people keeping
0:01:12the plants alive but again why don't we
0:01:15get for a bit if it's a good idea why
0:01:16isn't a good idea everywhere
0:01:18why is it only a good idea a desert I
0:01:19don't know
0:01:22beats me I'd it struck me as a little
0:01:25weird although I really did like and I
0:01:26think John you had briefly mentioned
0:01:28mention this when we talked about it i
0:01:30really liked the display case for all
0:01:34the cases the iphone cases where the
0:01:37case is on the outside of what ends up
0:01:40being a drawer so you grab the case and
0:01:42pull the case and then there's a drawer
0:01:44of these cases behind it that was a
0:01:46terrible word picture but hopefully that
0:01:48makes sense i thought that was really
0:01:49clever don't recall having ever seen
0:01:51that before someone did right and I
0:01:52missed I misplace their either email or
0:01:54maybe was tweet and said that those plot
0:01:57door things actually existing store
0:01:58still so basically there's nothing in 60
0:02:00minutes that they showed you that does
0:02:02not exist in an apple store which is not
0:02:04surprising not surprising that a little
0:02:06bit said
0:02:07that's okay though alright so any other
0:02:09follow-up we need to talk about
0:02:11that's it everyone stone vacation
0:02:12including including us so not only
0:02:14California but everyone is on vacation
0:02:16in california is always on vacation
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0:04:14christmas time has come and passed
0:04:16and Casey has some new toys ladies and
0:04:19gentlemen it's exciting
0:04:21so we have talked about the new Apple TV
0:04:25I now have a new Apple TV and now i will
0:04:30make everyone sit here and listen to my
0:04:32show so outdated thoughts about the
0:04:35apple TV that's right I'll talk about
0:04:36the mac pro later so I got to get back
0:04:38oh god if you're serious then then all I
0:04:40will happily forgo the apple TV talk if
0:04:43that means you will forego the mac pro
0:04:44talk
0:04:45well i have to tell you that about the
0:04:46new micro I got oh dear god I hope
0:04:48you're kidding
0:04:48I don't have any alcohol nearby says
0:04:50it's gonna be a long night for me
0:04:52well on a happier note set up the
0:04:54bluetooth on my new apple TV flawless no
0:04:57issues whatsoever so let this be a
0:04:59lesson children that you never actually
0:05:01do want to have the fear of missing out
0:05:03that i have a chronic case of and you do
0:05:05actually want to wait just a little bit
0:05:07to get something new because i had no
0:05:10problems with bluetooth setup I had no
0:05:13real problems with the remote app
0:05:15although it took me a minute to realize
0:05:17that I needed to do the the software
0:05:21update in order to get it if memory
0:05:22serves
0:05:24speaking of software update at seven
0:05:25o'clock i think this is Christmas Day
0:05:27seven o'clock in the evening on
0:05:28christmas day flawless no issues i
0:05:31connected via ethernet which might have
0:05:33made things a lot easier but that was
0:05:35really nice
0:05:36oh that's what was it wasn't that the
0:05:38software update screwed me up for the
0:05:40remote app i actually did take notes i
0:05:41just didn't read far enough
0:05:43it took me a while to remember that the
0:05:46remote app is paired to your home
0:05:49sharing account and i had not yet set up
0:05:53my home sharing account in the apple TV
0:05:55even after I've done the update and all
0:05:57that so for the life of me I couldn't
0:05:58understand why the remote app wouldn't
0:06:00see the apple TV and then I forget how I
0:06:02figured it out but somehow or another I
0:06:03realized oh no I need to sign into Home
0:06:06Sharing and so once I did that that on
0:06:08that work no problem which was really
0:06:10nice
0:06:11the control receiver for the the remote
0:06:15in general have a bluetooth remote is is
0:06:17wonderful I've learned that from the
0:06:19fire TV stick but it's really great
0:06:21having that bluetooth remote on the
0:06:23appletv as well I also really really
0:06:25liked and maybe we talked about this and
0:06:27i just had a brain fart or something but
0:06:30I really liked that it gave me the
0:06:33option of instead of controlling volume
0:06:36on my TV via hdmi cec or whatever magic
0:06:39it uses I could program and ir remote
0:06:42that it would use it would admit that
0:06:45same ir to change a different things
0:06:48volume which is exactly what i needed to
0:06:51do because i have my receiver doing the
0:06:53the speakers and all that and so I had
0:06:55the remote learn my receivers you know I
0:06:58our profiles or whatever you want to
0:06:59call it and that work no problem and so
0:07:01now the volume controls the receiver
0:07:02which is really awesome i didn't even
0:07:04know that was the thing i didn't like
0:07:06that I had no idea how much battery
0:07:09power the remote has and I at some point
0:07:12or another I saw some dialogue or
0:07:13something that said Oh will tell you
0:07:15when the remote needs charging which is
0:07:17an apple thing to do and that's fine but
0:07:19it was weird that I couldn't even see it
0:07:20when i went digging into the remote
0:07:21setting screens I didn't like and I
0:07:24don't like that there's no native
0:07:25spotify app yes I am aware that there is
0:07:29such a thing as airplay that is what
0:07:31I've been doing with my apple TV for a
0:07:32long time now but it seems to me like
0:07:34there's no reason why couldn't you know
0:07:36select songs or do what happened
0:07:37whatever in a native app or just have
0:07:41the have some sort of scenario wherein
0:07:43the Spotify up my phone controls an
0:07:47instance of it on the TV because that's
0:07:50what Spotify works as I can control the
0:07:52the playback from my computer from
0:07:55Spotify up on my phone and it kinda like
0:07:57the remote app works and its really
0:07:58really awesome and I'd like to not have
0:08:00to have my phone be beaming all that
0:08:03data to the appletv it when it could
0:08:05just do that on its own and on a final
0:08:08note surprising precisely no one
0:08:11oh my god you has plus it's so good it's
0:08:14good it's worth the cost of admission
0:08:16just reflects but to that end I have
0:08:19like four apps on this thing i have flex
0:08:21like Netflix and I put the ESPN app on
0:08:24there and I think that might be it
0:08:26and so I'm not really seeing what's
0:08:28what's so great about the app store yet
0:08:30with the exception of plex of course and
0:08:31but that there's been no other killer
0:08:34app that have thought to myself man I
0:08:35really really really want to download
0:08:37whatever
0:08:39well to be fair be like that the kind of
0:08:41device that is wherever this is like
0:08:43this TV content box
0:08:44I mean how many apps do most people
0:08:47really use in that kind of context I
0:08:49mean to me like it is useful to have a
0:08:52large selection of apps but to any one
0:08:54person anyone user of this device it
0:08:57might only ever use 24 apps and that
0:09:01might be perfectly fine enough for them
0:09:02you know just like for you it might be
0:09:04flex and netflix yeah for me it might be
0:09:07like you know you know a game and
0:09:10netflix and maybe I probably won't use
0:09:13flex I might you know I i will use the
0:09:14itunes store stuff and then maybe down
0:09:17the road i might get HBO now go
0:09:20whichever one that doesn't use cable
0:09:21that you know one of those like us like
0:09:23it's the kind of thing and and if
0:09:26everything works well which is still
0:09:28debatable but everything works well then
0:09:31I think that's enough
0:09:32you know you don't need it is it isn't a
0:09:34phone you know you don't need to be
0:09:36doing tons of different apps all the
0:09:38time on your TV
0:09:39I think most people are going to pick
0:09:40like three or four at most you know so
0:09:43wouldn't it be a good enough device and
0:09:45a valuable purchase even if you never
0:09:47use any other apps for it and then we
0:09:49use now I think you're absolutely right
0:09:51and you know as you were talking about
0:09:53seeing myself why am I don't not bummed
0:09:56out but I can't think of a better way to
0:09:57describe it but i might be a little
0:09:58disappointed that i don't have 305 apps
0:10:02on this thing that I was really excited
0:10:03about in you know what I think a part of
0:10:05it is is that it looks so paltry in
0:10:07silly compared to the prior gen apple TV
0:10:10which had like what is it 40 or 50 apps
0:10:13and new ones just spawning like rabbits
0:10:16constantly but to be fair you're exactly
0:10:18right that I really never used any of
0:10:22those and so in the end of the day it
0:10:23was really clutter but because it feels
0:10:26like i have fewer things now it's all it
0:10:29feels worse even though in reality it's
0:10:31actually probably a lot better you
0:10:33should put some some other lesser
0:10:35staples on there like I think you should
0:10:37probably put the YouTube app on there
0:10:39and maybe those amazon have like free
0:10:41video maybe amazon video one if they
0:10:43have something for free or if you have
0:10:45amazon product no I don't think there is
0:10:46any of the video at the thought that's
0:10:48kind of the whole point of the whole
0:10:49thing now I'd i use the series thing
0:10:52reason
0:10:52where ID I I think you have to say show
0:10:55me i don't know it sounds so does a show
0:10:57me but I said show me and then spoke a
0:10:59movie title and I was impressed by two
0:11:01things one that actually transcribed
0:11:03what i was saying as I spoke it all
0:11:05three things to that it properly title
0:11:08case the title of the movie haha as I
0:11:12spoke it
0:11:13wait which proper title casing that just
0:11:16you know the regular one so it didn't
0:11:18capitalize prepositions and articles in
0:11:21the middle the title and stuff like that
0:11:22it doesn't matter was it was my son want
0:11:24to see the maze runner so all those
0:11:26words are capped right but as I said
0:11:27show me the major Runner and the as
0:11:30capital mazes capital and are and you
0:11:32know in real time as it has it spat it
0:11:33out so that was impressive and three it
0:11:35gave me a bunch of options for where to
0:11:39watch it one of which was because i was
0:11:40if I had done it then put it this way if
0:11:42I had done it with the old apple TV I
0:11:44would've been like we don't have the
0:11:45maze runner so let me just look to see
0:11:47if it's available on iTunes and either
0:11:48buy it or rented based on how likely i
0:11:50think we as a household are to want to
0:11:53watch this again but instead I said show
0:11:54me the Maze Runner and put it down there
0:11:56is an option and i clicked on it and it
0:11:59was available on HBO GO
0:12:01so I just played it for free and so
0:12:03that's that's a pretty flawless victory
0:12:05for the new Apple TV over the old one
0:12:07because it took less time is expected to
0:12:09the remote and spoken to it it did the
0:12:11right thing and let me watch for free
0:12:12you know because I already pay for HBO
0:12:14it didn't have to go rent it from itunes
0:12:17so thumbs up there is something i
0:12:19haven't tried but I'd really like to and
0:12:22I just didn't think about until he said
0:12:23that is yo can I get into my plex
0:12:27library through Siri from like the home
0:12:30screen and I believe there's api's that
0:12:32allow that to happen but I don't have
0:12:35the faintest idea whether or not plex
0:12:36supports it had some flex a couple
0:12:39run-ins with flex I was trying to watch
0:12:41i forgot i was wanted trying to watch
0:12:43something that I had available in many
0:12:46different ways and my my TV due to
0:12:48weirdness of hdmi and misguided attempt
0:12:52to copy protection if I play through the
0:12:54DLNA client on my television very often
0:12:57it only wants to help put like stereo
0:12:59down to my receiver it won't even though
0:13:01it will be fed 5.1
0:13:03from my DLNA server in the basement that
0:13:065.1 goes into my television but it never
0:13:08gets to leave what comes out the back of
0:13:10it instead is like even though it's on
0:13:12the Audio Return Channel anyway I fought
0:13:14with it for a while and like bottom line
0:13:15is if it goes if I have my the
0:13:17television itself the smart TV feature
0:13:19do it sometimes I don't get the high
0:13:21quality audio so I'm like well this
0:13:22video has high-quality 5.1 audio I want
0:13:25to get that directly but i didn't wanna
0:13:26turn on the PlayStation which also work
0:13:28because it's noisy so I said it's time
0:13:29for the appletv to do it yet and then I
0:13:32did like a search like is there a simple
0:13:33DLNA client for apple TV and are a bunch
0:13:35of the rest of you don't let me try plex
0:13:37because i have the public server setup
0:13:39on technology so I did and the thing was
0:13:41there and for whatever reason it just
0:13:44wouldn't play off of the synology I
0:13:47don't know if this analogy couldn't
0:13:47transcoded because it was too high
0:13:49bitrate there didn't understand the
0:13:51codec or something but then i remembered
0:13:53like a flexible over the place so I just
0:13:55started plex on my wife's new imac
0:13:57pointed at the same you know I i had
0:14:00already had set up there to mount this
0:14:01analogy there and my wife's imac no
0:14:04problem transcoding it and I played it
0:14:06from there so flex kind of came through
0:14:09for me they're like halfway i mean it
0:14:11was it was flexible enough that if it
0:14:13didn't work off of mine ass I could just
0:14:15run it on the much more powerful neck
0:14:16and that did work so kind of thumb
0:14:19sideways there but anyway let me let me
0:14:21let me play the video i wanted to play
0:14:24in the quality i wanted with 5.1 without
0:14:26having to irfan so it's good yeah it's
0:14:28funny because I moved the now old and
0:14:32busted apple TV from the family room to
0:14:36the bedroom and I had on like mtv
0:14:40unplugged or something like that this
0:14:41morning if you specifically what it was
0:14:42but I was hoping the alice in chains of
0:14:44the best 1i no don't think i have that
0:14:46one
0:14:46I'm sure whatever what it was you would
0:14:47judge me for and and if we don't need to
0:14:49go into that what will say that for the
0:14:50after-show many of them are very good
0:14:52including the seal one that you gave me
0:14:54that that I don't think it's available
0:14:55legally anywhere i believe that's right
0:14:57and and that was one of them that we
0:14:59watched it was an mtv unplugged morning
0:15:01maybe we can argue about that the
0:15:02after-show since that appears to be what
0:15:03we do these years I mean everyone
0:15:05everyone loved the Nirvana and there are
0:15:06no one is very good when I think the
0:15:08alice in chains one is better
0:15:09yeah i feel like i've heard it at some
0:15:11point but not anytime recently so I
0:15:13should take a note too
0:15:15to listen to that again but anyway so i
0:15:18was trying to the point of the matter is
0:15:19I was trying to play plex from onto the
0:15:22old apple TV which was wired via
0:15:26ethernet now is Wi-Fi and is the way the
0:15:30crow flies so to speak through the house
0:15:32and home probably like 15 to 20 feet
0:15:35away from my my airport extreme now
0:15:40granted that's through like two or three
0:15:41walls and all my god the new Apple TV I
0:15:44don't know if it's because of ethernet I
0:15:46don't know if it's because i'm not doing
0:15:48airplay hop
0:15:49I'm sure it's a combination of both but
0:15:51it was so much nicer watching this stuff
0:15:54on the new Apple TV then it was airplane
0:15:57from the flex app on the old apple TV
0:15:59anyway but so yeah I'd say at least one
0:16:03thumb probably two thumbs up for the new
0:16:04Apple TV the planet the flex experience
0:16:07just is everything to me and it's in
0:16:09this wonderful and there's a couple of
0:16:10minor issues i have here and there but
0:16:12but overall really really like it do you
0:16:15like the I think the Plex you I on able
0:16:17to explain to me like I know I'm place
0:16:19you can pick like a background for the
0:16:21things that they have all these you know
0:16:22background images that people have made
0:16:24and I remember the the mac plex client
0:16:27had all these fancy backgrounds in the
0:16:30UI like all different the appletv one is
0:16:32kind of boring especially if you buy
0:16:33folder i use flex by the way to watch
0:16:35pharmacy specialized editions my parents
0:16:37wanted to see the the first three star
0:16:40wars movies before going to see the
0:16:41seventh not not the first episode 12 and
0:16:44three guys got a new album Bayern and
0:16:47Jedi and i want to show them harming it
0:16:50was the same situation i could play it
0:16:52off my playstation but then you have to
0:16:54hear the PlayStation fan so and I wanted
0:16:56to get all you know that the
0:16:58multi-channel sound and everything and
0:17:01so plex to the rescue again it could it
0:17:03could play them and they played them
0:17:05correctly and I don't have to hear fan
0:17:07but when you view by folder went into my
0:17:09little star wars folder and navigate to
0:17:11it was kind of boring looking just like
0:17:12a list of words and you know cover art
0:17:16off to the left I don't know I I I just
0:17:18expected flex to be fancier like not
0:17:20that I demanded to be fancy but it
0:17:24seemed it seem to be not up to the
0:17:26standards of the
0:17:27other plex client so i can remember same
0:17:29thing with the playstation 4 client by
0:17:31the way but that's the least of my
0:17:32concerns if it just gets the video and
0:17:33place it I'm happy so flex is rising in
0:17:37a steam in this household let me know i
0:17:40agree with you i think that the UI is
0:17:41good i would not say it's great and I
0:17:44think it could definitely use some shop
0:17:46massaging here and there however it is
0:17:49so much a better experience than having
0:17:51to have some like iOS device sitting
0:17:52around ere playing everything that it
0:17:55even with the world's ugliest you I it
0:17:57could still in many ways do no wrong in
0:17:59my book because oh my goodness it's so
0:18:02nice having that natively on the appletv
0:18:04now you can share your flex library with
0:18:06me I would be happy to
0:18:08I should do hmm ok or both of you i
0:18:12don't think i can share with you guys my
0:18:13my my mass is not exposed to the
0:18:17internet at all so i don't think i can
0:18:19share with you but it doesn't matter i
0:18:20just want to get your stuff are you
0:18:21running plex on your Synology yeah
0:18:24really
0:18:25you can do that well yeah you can but i
0:18:27found it was whenever I tried to
0:18:29transcode anything live it was a
0:18:31disaster that's what I'm saying I
0:18:32couldn't I couldn't watch the one of the
0:18:34things i wanted to watch just didn't
0:18:36play at all and had to use the imac but
0:18:37harmony specializations played fine
0:18:39mm you know I think what it might be as
0:18:42if you have it format it formatted as
0:18:44like I'm gonna get this wrong video
0:18:45nerds I apologize but if you have it in
0:18:47some apple friendly format let me just
0:18:49pee vee lake
0:18:49no i don't i do not pre transcode
0:18:52anything like so whatever i downloaded
0:18:54the Army says that's what they are
0:18:55refused to like throw them into
0:18:57handbrake and reconvert them because
0:18:58then you're getting you're going double
0:19:00lossless right so it won't play exactly
0:19:02as it was downloaded then I find
0:19:04something else to play it completely
0:19:05agree i I've lamented in the past that
0:19:07this isn't the technology that we all
0:19:09have which is an 18-13 plus is does not
0:19:12have a quick enough processor to do
0:19:13transcoding and a lot of people have
0:19:16complained about this and pastel just
0:19:18transcode everything and make it all in
0:19:19you know whatever magical Apple format I
0:19:21i need and i completely agree John
0:19:23that's just a bunch of work whether or
0:19:24not you double
0:19:25do you have the double aussie conversion
0:19:27it's just so much work that I just don't
0:19:29want to have to do and and I found
0:19:30myself how she does
0:19:32transcode a whole bunch of stuff on the
0:19:33fly at a reasonable speed for me like he
0:19:35was it you don't need to do is be able
0:19:37to keep up with real-time and
0:19:38can a lot of cases other cases it just
0:19:40doesn't matter that's that's why I threw
0:19:41the imac at it which you know didn't
0:19:43break a sweat can transcode anything on
0:19:45the fly because it's super fast and make
0:19:47some mac pro feel bad and that's why I
0:19:50have my old platter driven macbook pro
0:19:53sitting on constantly I probably never
0:19:55use this thing if it wasn't for the fact
0:19:56that it is my plex server setup so why
0:19:59will i will i'll invite you guys after
0:20:01the fact to to share them to see my
0:20:04specs stuff and so you can stream all of
0:20:06the all the things that I have legally
0:20:08totally when you can only stream you
0:20:11can't download it
0:20:12I'd like to talk about another gift I
0:20:14got but do you want to talk about what
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0:22:17alright so the other thing that I
0:22:18received this Christmas which I know
0:22:21everyone is so excited about the
0:22:22accidental look at me
0:22:23humble bragging podcast is aaron cut me
0:22:26a new retina ipad mini she got me an
0:22:29ipad mini 4 with with retina and
0:22:31cellular and i am really into this
0:22:35device I've always loved my ipad mini's
0:22:37my fight this is my fourth ipad i had
0:22:40the original I had the ipad 3 which was
0:22:44the first with retina which is what you
0:22:46are still rocking John is that right
0:22:48yeah
0:22:48still it's it's getting long in the
0:22:50tooth man i don't know i keep it up
0:22:51getting heavy in the tooth had to then I
0:22:55had the original original retina mini
0:22:59and now the ipad mini 4 and the last two
0:23:03both knees have been cellular in the
0:23:05last couple of months I've given up on
0:23:07my AT&T unlimited plan and so now I can
0:23:10actually tether i'm not entirely sure
0:23:12going cellular was the most right choice
0:23:16but so far i've liked it and the Apple
0:23:18sim is actually pretty cool i put a post
0:23:21on my site about some random things that
0:23:24I've discovered with regard to the apple
0:23:26Sam and so you can go check that out if
0:23:28that's interesting to you the short
0:23:30version is it's a single sim card that
0:23:32you can use with multiple carriers which
0:23:34is really kind of fascinating i don't
0:23:37have too much to say about the device
0:23:39other than why didn't somebody tell me
0:23:41that this ipad multitasking stuff was
0:23:43really cool like I wish
0:23:44federico ethics said something or
0:23:46something like that because this is kind
0:23:47of exciting i love that is this episode
0:23:49is like Casey discovers after Christmas
0:23:52what everyone else an apple community
0:23:53discovered in the fall
0:23:55it's been talking about for months well
0:23:57welcome to october and and he's a star
0:24:00wars 2
0:24:01yeah i saw Star Wars they just yesterday
0:24:03actually as we record so anyway so i
0:24:05won't
0:24:05we'll go on about this like i like i did
0:24:08about the apple TV but suffice to say it
0:24:10genuinely I'm not trying to be funny
0:24:12it genuinely changes how you use the
0:24:16device when you can genuinely do more
0:24:19than one thing at once on the old mini I
0:24:21could do I believe it slide over where
0:24:23you can just slide something in and
0:24:25interact with it then you have to make
0:24:26it go away because they wouldn't let you
0:24:28do a full-on to pain multitasking I
0:24:32could do picture-in-picture which by the
0:24:34way quick aside flex on the ipad
0:24:37actually does support picture-in-picture
0:24:39even though it doesn't have the same UI
0:24:41that everything else on the planet does
0:24:42as it turns out if you just hit the home
0:24:45button while you're playing something it
0:24:46will automatically kick on
0:24:47picture-picture which is really awesome
0:24:50so anyway so I really really have liked
0:24:55having multitasking on it and I can't
0:24:58think of any like specific thing that
0:25:00I've done that has been amazing but just
0:25:04the ability to be able to say hang out
0:25:06and slack while catching up on Twitter
0:25:09or what-have-you has been so awesome and
0:25:12genuinely changes i know that was like
0:25:1518 times but it really does it changes
0:25:17the way i think about my iPad and it
0:25:21makes me feel like even my mini is so
0:25:23much more capable this new many is so
0:25:26much more capable than the mini that
0:25:27came before it for me and and i'm really
0:25:30excited to be able to dig into using
0:25:33this little more not for work stuff or
0:25:35anything like that but just to be more
0:25:37and more productive or efficient maybe
0:25:40is the word I'm looking for
0:25:41well even just goofing off and so I'm
0:25:44really stoked with it really pleased
0:25:45with it and so far i'm excited that i am
0:25:48that i got a cellular one and I now
0:25:51understand Federico's rage over people
0:25:54over apps that don't support the the two
0:25:57pain multitasking because it is really
0:25:59annoying marker you're the one who
0:26:02tweeted retweeted something showing some
0:26:05person saying you know guys it doesn't
0:26:06take too many changes to you I window to
0:26:09make it into it like they had they had
0:26:11like windows
0:26:12yes safety Esther did that looks like a
0:26:14little like mock up like a working
0:26:16mock-up demo of like multiple you I
0:26:18windows
0:26:19on screen at once with draggable edges
0:26:20and trackable title passed and this is
0:26:22on the ipad and what they're basically
0:26:23had to look like is OS 10 windows but
0:26:25with really big finger-sized widgets for
0:26:28the little stop light winds right and it
0:26:30looked look silly and I'm going to say
0:26:32this is probably not the way you should
0:26:33go but people are mad with power now
0:26:35basically like a thick like split view
0:26:38it is
0:26:39wait a second cpu is capable of doing
0:26:41more than things at once i need windows
0:26:43and I need to arrange the Majesty not
0:26:44recreating all they're recreating my
0:26:46desktop on their iPads which is probably
0:26:48not what they want they're not ready for
0:26:50that but it's you know I guess someone
0:26:53could do that maybe apple rejected
0:26:54because they're kinda like that all this
0:26:56tries to make a new you know window
0:26:58bring environment i'm sure apple and
0:27:00find some way to reject it because like
0:27:02imagine a nap
0:27:02yeah well there's been a rule forever
0:27:04against apps to try to create their own
0:27:06like desktop type environments inside
0:27:09themselves to have any kind of like
0:27:10multiple widgets inside of one central
0:27:12at there again it's a very vague rule
0:27:14but that's been there since the very
0:27:15beginning it was like the one that got
0:27:16that a sport rejected but then not
0:27:18because they're ridiculous to reject
0:27:19satisfied but like but definitely making
0:27:21actual windows because I don't even know
0:27:23how you would what you what would you
0:27:25put in those windows like well I think
0:27:26maybe if someone did like a sketching
0:27:29application for the ipad pro where it
0:27:31had a bunch of pallets that were like
0:27:32literally just pallets like photoshop
0:27:34pallets some kind of reared dockable
0:27:36palace with big finger size things in
0:27:38the top of them what Apple reject that
0:27:40because it gives too much flexibility
0:27:41about where you put the pallets I don't
0:27:43like it seems like there is there's
0:27:46something there where people somebody is
0:27:48daring enough because the ability to
0:27:50arrange the palace the way you wanted
0:27:51photoshop or any other design
0:27:53application that's a feature like people
0:27:54have different tools that they want to
0:27:55use it certain times and I mean and it's
0:27:58not that the mac versions these
0:27:59applications are infinitely flexible
0:28:01you're still kind of stuck with this set
0:28:02of power that you can arrange them make
0:28:04them skinny or white or wherever but
0:28:05talking designer watch them work people
0:28:08have preferences about what goes where
0:28:10on the screen where is the layers
0:28:11palette where is the history pal what's
0:28:13hidden was shown by default is it
0:28:15skinnier wide what stopped here and
0:28:17there like is it the full screen thing
0:28:20is the small window like these are just
0:28:22options with him you know photoshop if
0:28:24there was an ipad pro sketching
0:28:26application that gave similar
0:28:27flexibility people use that flexibility
0:28:29because maybe they wanted
0:28:31what is the the thing that they always
0:28:32go to go to the color well frequently to
0:28:34change brush size is frequently they
0:28:36don't have like a keyboard at the square
0:28:38brackets to make the brush size go up
0:28:39and down so being able to sort of a
0:28:41range their workspace within an
0:28:42application using things that I guess
0:28:45you kind of not call them windows to
0:28:47avoid getting rejected but i really hope
0:28:48Apple wouldn't reject an app like that
0:28:50because I think that's a great idea for
0:28:51and for all I know is I'm not designed
0:28:53for all I know their ipad perhaps that
0:28:54already do this so if that's the case
0:28:56then nevermind has already been done but
0:28:58I if not that's definitely a direction
0:29:01that I think it's safe
0:29:02it should be safe to go in that
0:29:04direction with design applications for
0:29:06example on the ipad pro in seeing this
0:29:09multitasking and taken to bring it back
0:29:11around just makes me understand that
0:29:13much more
0:29:14why someone would really like an iPad
0:29:17pro despite the fact that i do think it
0:29:19is just comically large I can see how it
0:29:23would be really really useful to have
0:29:24all that extra screen real estate so
0:29:26it's interesting but I i really really
0:29:28like the new the new retina ipad mini I
0:29:32two thumbs up for that two thumbs up for
0:29:33the ipad multitasking really really been
0:29:36doing it on the ipad pro being comically
0:29:39large I still as I dwell on this
0:29:41I think the problem is that is not big
0:29:43enough not problem that is a problem
0:29:45with a precursor but like the reason it
0:29:46seems so large is because we are
0:29:48comparing it to like the end of the
0:29:51quarter full-size iPad if it was really
0:29:54comically large like as in 21-inch no
0:29:56one would be comparing it to like no one
0:29:59would think i'm gonna put this in my
0:30:00backpack
0:30:01it would be for designers to work with
0:30:02at their desks likewise it even an ipad
0:30:04that point why aren't you just buys into
0:30:06just a Mac why you know well because you
0:30:08draw on the screen with a pen and you
0:30:09don't do that with a mac and it's not
0:30:11indirect like a cintiq where you at the
0:30:12mac over here you know like I i still
0:30:14feel like that's the direction we're
0:30:15going in all be this at this point we're
0:30:17going there at a snail's pace because it
0:30:19took this long to get us a stylist and
0:30:21slightly larger iPad but i think that
0:30:24will solve the problem of will look at
0:30:26the size of this giant iPad when it you
0:30:28stop making that comparison to a certain
0:30:30point when it becomes a thing that sits
0:30:31on your desk
0:30:32I don't mean that you have to plug it in
0:30:33although you could plug it in but I mean
0:30:35I think there have been people who made
0:30:38these very large tablet size things like
0:30:4121 inches or what
0:30:42over and they just haven't caught on i
0:30:45just don't think the software is
0:30:46therefore yet but uh the same way that I
0:30:48feel like the ipad pro features will go
0:30:50down scale some point you can make that
0:30:53pepper even bigger like why not if if it
0:30:56becomes a tool for designers who wants
0:30:59to design things on something as puny as
0:31:01an ipad pro like why wouldn't you don't
0:31:03want something bigger I think you would
0:31:05naturally eventually
0:31:06well why did they stop making the
0:31:0817-inch macbook pro I i think that is
0:31:11kind of like because the laptops that
0:31:14role is to be portable right and i don't
0:31:16think the tablet the ipad scrolls
0:31:18necessarily to be portable for
0:31:20especially for design things because you
0:31:21just want to draw on the screen right I
0:31:23thinks antiques are bigger than that
0:31:25sighs well I i think the reason they
0:31:27killed a 17-inch macbook pro is probably
0:31:30because things weren't selling enough of
0:31:32them to to make it worth continuing to
0:31:34sell it so a larger iPad than the pro
0:31:36might have that same problem they might
0:31:38you know there is a maximum size above
0:31:40which it is just too specialized and not
0:31:43enough people will buy it to make it
0:31:45worth Apple making it and for for
0:31:47macbooks that appears to be 15 inches so
0:31:49what is it for ipads it might be the the
0:31:51ipad pro sighs it might be bigger who
0:31:52knows i don't buy into that because i
0:31:54think the generation is throwing my
0:31:55surround the room want something they're
0:31:57going to touch like that's what I keep
0:31:58saying the ipad is the future of
0:31:59computing is not going to be too
0:32:00specialized what's going to be too
0:32:02specialized as the pieces that you can't
0:32:03touch so Apple is eventually for those
0:32:06kids who are throwing those mice around
0:32:07the computer lab or in kindergarten now
0:32:08when they are 30 years old I think
0:32:12they're gonna want a really big
0:32:13touchscreen somewhere in their house to
0:32:16do this type of stuff I can't do on
0:32:17their phones like you're sitting down
0:32:19like in the same way that we have an
0:32:20imac or our laptops or maybe maybe I'll
0:32:23just stick with us i don't like because
0:32:24i had a 17 inch laptop it's an old form
0:32:27factor and it's meant to be portable and
0:32:28a non-portable laptop is called desktop
0:32:30when we already have that like we have a
0:32:32massive 5k I'm act like I don't I 212
0:32:36the thing to think about it what is the
0:32:37upper size limit on desktop computer
0:32:40screens 27 inches that like we went up
0:32:42to 30 is that like the limit their did a
0:32:46certain point it becomes you can't find
0:32:48like a desk space big enough it starts
0:32:50blocking your view out of your home like
0:32:52it's just it's just it's just too darn
0:32:55big
0:32:55I have a friend who uses a television
0:32:56like people have a vision problems of
0:32:58not that it's low resolution but it's
0:33:00just massive right I guess you know
0:33:03maybe VR headsets coming and make all
0:33:06this is moot point but anyway thinking
0:33:08about the sizes screens can be in the
0:33:11future I think it's the lots of
0:33:14interesting possibilities and I think a
0:33:17lot of our view today is colored by what
0:33:20we're comparing it to or where we
0:33:21slotted yeah you know that the soldiers
0:33:23getting back to kc think of this
0:33:24comically large and like in some
0:33:26respects it is it's it's like the
0:33:28world's biggest iphone or it's a
0:33:30comically large ipad with other respects
0:33:32it's a comically small laptop screen
0:33:35detach from a keyboard so comically
0:33:37small I package i'm actually in touch
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0:35:18alright so John you had come up with a
0:35:22topic or theme perhaps for the remainder
0:35:26of today's episode which like to
0:35:27introduce that kind of kick us off the
0:35:29last episode 2015 that means they have a
0:35:31sort of a year and thing you could do a
0:35:32year in review you could do predictions
0:35:36for next year but i wanted to do with
0:35:38something kind of in between which is
0:35:402016 wish list with a set of rules of
0:35:44course there are rules
0:35:45so the first rule is that these are not
0:35:47predictions so that gets us entirely out
0:35:49of the game of trying to predict what is
0:35:51actually going to happen in 2016 because
0:35:53that's fun to do sometimes it's easy to
0:35:56tell whether you're right for the most
0:35:57part but i don't know like I'm I'm less
0:36:01interested in predicting what will
0:36:03happen then in talking about what i
0:36:05would like to happen and for stuff that
0:36:07you would like to happen you can't pick
0:36:10like blue sky stuff where it's like if I
0:36:12you know if I could have a pony and the
0:36:14unicorn this is what i would want so the
0:36:17rules are not predictions and pick
0:36:19things that are plausible and feasible
0:36:22and that you want to see in 2016 and I
0:36:24guess we'll have to just judge whether
0:36:25you put the thing you're asking for is a
0:36:28fantasy that's never gonna happen and
0:36:29has to be stricken from the list but
0:36:31those are the ground rules i hope you
0:36:33guys did some semblance of homework I
0:36:36have a text file in front of me
0:36:37that sounds serious as hell doesn't have
0:36:39more than one thing in it it has 36
0:36:42lines with text on the blah blah input
0:36:44including whitespace 36 lines all right
0:36:46and this is not even like top for that
0:36:48don't need to be ordered this is an
0:36:49unordered list UL so you might actually
0:36:52do okay if this marker
0:36:53well it was very hard for me to do this
0:36:56in a way that wasn't just predictions
0:36:58yeah you have like not like that keeping
0:37:01it too plausible things was it was
0:37:03fairly easy but making it not just a
0:37:05list of what i think will happen or what
0:37:07i think is very likely to happen that
0:37:09that is harder and i have i've
0:37:11definitely different hard time with that
0:37:12so my list is a little bit predictive
0:37:14and did well to get away from
0:37:16predictions reason to predictions is
0:37:18because that allows a cynicism and
0:37:20dogs you could say these dummies are
0:37:21going to do this even though they
0:37:22shouldn't and this is more just like
0:37:24what do you want to happen
0:37:26like what yeah if you could if you could
0:37:27make certain things happen and you know
0:37:29not magical things
0:37:31what do you want to see in 2016 and it
0:37:33can be anything tech I guess I mean
0:37:35we're probably all thinking of apple
0:37:36stuff and realize that we can be
0:37:37anything tech related and honestly I
0:37:39mean my list is actually pretty
0:37:41optimistic or like it isn't a
0:37:44pessimistic or cynical list because you
0:37:47know look at my list is very very Apple
0:37:49focused I just wasn't thinking of other
0:37:51stuff because frankly the rest of the
0:37:53country is kind of boring most of the
0:37:55time to be honest but you know for me
0:37:57the the Apple side of it i am i
0:37:59optimistic simply because i think apple
0:38:02in in 2015 2014 really did a lot of one
0:38:08point I was like a lot of things are
0:38:10either brand-new product lines or new
0:38:13product sublines like the ipad pro or
0:38:16you know new services like Apple music
0:38:18and and photo cloud stuff like there
0:38:21there's a lot of restarts and one point
0:38:24was recently began in this past year and
0:38:27some i'm really hoping that 2016 brings
0:38:32a lot of 1.1 2.1 is usually just like a
0:38:35lot of a lot of revision a lot of maybe
0:38:38maturing of these lines and of these
0:38:40various new products you know just kind
0:38:42of a slowdown in brand new cutting-edge
0:38:45launches because apples cutting-edge
0:38:47launches have been all over the map in
0:38:48terms of quality and and usefulness and
0:38:50everything and so to have some time
0:38:53where that can be kind of calm down and
0:38:56matured and stabilized and developed
0:38:58further rather than just more more one
0:39:02point of everything would be very
0:39:04welcome and I think that's why i think
0:39:06that will happen and I hope that's what
0:39:08will happen and that so that is my main
0:39:10theme of my wishes is just stop with the
0:39:14one point was for a little while I just
0:39:15like take take all these one point is
0:39:17forward to their to their next steps in
0:39:21their in their growth there was a really
0:39:23good why didn't finish it only had time
0:39:25to read about the first half but I think
0:39:27its new I patel wrote something on the
0:39:29verge yesterday i believe it was it's
0:39:33entitled Apple 2015 apples year in beta
0:39:37and it very much echoes what you just
0:39:39said that basically there's been a lot
0:39:41of half cooked stuff that's been
0:39:42released in this year and that's really
0:39:45kind of unfortunate and I didn't get to
0:39:47the portion which actually sounds
0:39:49perhaps even more interesting to me
0:39:50which is new platform ideas in search of
0:39:54sticky user behavior so for example 3d
0:39:56touch which i find i'm using more in
0:39:59more overtime but i did not have the
0:40:02instinct like oh my god i'm using this
0:40:05always experience that I was kind of
0:40:07expecting to actually sold like this in
0:40:10the show notes but it was it was a
0:40:11little on the negative side but i think
0:40:14it was pretty fair
0:40:15all told ya I mean you know that this at
0:40:17this point and apples evolution they are
0:40:19really throwing a lot more spaghetti at
0:40:21the wall to see what sticks and and
0:40:23whether that used to happen more in
0:40:24private is now more public or whether it
0:40:27you know as I said in a recent sure like
0:40:29I think they're just been a lot of
0:40:31low-hanging fruit that has all been
0:40:32picked and now like in order to find the
0:40:35next the next big thing or the next the
0:40:38next success in the business
0:40:40it's harder and and the successes are
0:40:42getting smaller relatively speaking and
0:40:45you know it all the low-hanging fruit is
0:40:46already been picked on a lot of industry
0:40:49so it is it's just getting harder to
0:40:50find what's next and define success and
0:40:52so we are seeing things that come out
0:40:55that are kinda like really like or or
0:40:58things that you're not really sure will
0:40:59work and many of them don't many of them
0:41:02do and it's happening more in public now
0:41:05with Apple than it used to i think and
0:41:07maybe worth remembering wrong I don't
0:41:09know but it does seem like we are seeing
0:41:11a lot more things come out of Apple that
0:41:13are not clear winds from day one
0:41:16obviously you can look back in the past
0:41:18and you can you can say well it's never
0:41:20perfect and that's true but i think if
0:41:22you look at like the iphone 1 point 0 or
0:41:25even the early ipods and and you know
0:41:28many of their earlier like 1.8 kind of
0:41:30releases vs today's one point over
0:41:32Lisa's I i think the number of asterisks
0:41:35and and downsides in the past was
0:41:37probably lower then than it is today and
0:41:40and in part that's because they are
0:41:42bigger company i do think it has to do
0:41:44in part with
0:41:45he's not being there anymore and I think
0:41:47in part just because the products in our
0:41:48more complicated and as you said like
0:41:50it's more challenging now to find new
0:41:53territory that will be a success yet
0:41:56from this piece that i was talking about
0:41:58this newly patel and that's really the
0:42:00issue we're not used to apple being just
0:42:02fine we used to apple being wildly
0:42:03better than the competition or sometimes
0:42:05much worse but always ahead of the curve
0:42:08on some significant taxes but we got in
0:42:102015 was an apple that released more
0:42:12products never all of which felt
0:42:13incomplete in extremely meaningful ways
0:42:15ways that meant that their products were
0:42:17just fine and often just the same as
0:42:20everyone else's yeah i don't know if i
0:42:22buy that the premise is again a long
0:42:25memory but one one thing when i think of
0:42:27the problem like the underlying thing I
0:42:29keep coming back to my hobby horse which
0:42:32is I don't know that like it in a world
0:42:35where products increasingly have a
0:42:38back-end service component that works
0:42:42against apple because i don't know if
0:42:45they can make those things like all
0:42:46their one point know their buggy
0:42:48whatever like I just need one more year
0:42:50to work out the kinks when it was just
0:42:51software and hardware that ship to
0:42:53customers that was true they could work
0:42:55out the kinks that would make the
0:42:56hardware better but when its server
0:42:59component things like I don't see a lot
0:43:02of like there's some progress there but
0:43:04it's really slow and I'd that's why
0:43:06don't have the confidence like Oh given
0:43:08given a year or two like contact syncing
0:43:11will be a solved problem you know how
0:43:12long Apple from working on contacting I
0:43:14don't you people don't have many
0:43:15contacts I don't have many contacts got
0:43:17like hundreds of a couple hundred
0:43:19contacts I just wanted to be the same
0:43:21everywhere and to be in sync and that
0:43:24this should be a solved problem but it
0:43:27isn't and it like is it is it because
0:43:28Apple hasn't had time to work on contact
0:43:30syncing know like it's just I I feel
0:43:33like there is a fundamental in
0:43:35capability of the organization to get
0:43:37past some threshold of quality and as
0:43:39more and more things they make have that
0:43:41component I worry that there's like a
0:43:45ceiling on how good those things are
0:43:47going to be how good can Apple music be
0:43:48if there's necessarily a server
0:43:50component how good can Apple TV if this
0:43:52is you know I don't know maybe maybe
0:43:54that's my imagination but certainly it's
0:43:56true that more and more product
0:43:58even if you think of the watch where the
0:44:01server is kind of the phone more and
0:44:03more products rely on something that is
0:44:05not inside the physical device to to do
0:44:09like their main job not as a frail or
0:44:11something right
0:44:12so I I don't know if like no I i found
0:44:17is better then got mad cuz you know and
0:44:20mobileme and all that other stuff and
0:44:22things have improved and they are going
0:44:23in the right direction but boy it feels
0:44:26like slow going and as that slowly
0:44:29evolves
0:44:30I like the number of new products the
0:44:32end and new platforms for that matter
0:44:34that they introduced that rely on server
0:44:36infrastructure things to be reliable and
0:44:39fast and always available is outpacing
0:44:41the quality of their implementation of
0:44:44those things so don't be too pessimistic
0:44:45I think I feel like it is a positive
0:44:47trend but they are apple in this passage
0:44:51/ characterize it would be a year in
0:44:53which they a year or two in which they
0:44:55introduced a lot of new platforms and
0:44:58every new platform is kind of crappy in
0:45:00the beginning and so if you're into the
0:45:01whole bunch of new platforms you can
0:45:03have a whole year or two of a kind of
0:45:05crappy and you gotta give them time to
0:45:08get their feet underneath them and every
0:45:09platform to go through cycles like the
0:45:11mac has been shaky platform that saw the
0:45:14shaky than solid and shake it and solid
0:45:15and totally in crisis can really grab
0:45:17you for a whole bunch of years that's a
0:45:18daughter of the last 10 and then solid
0:45:20again and shaky again like these things
0:45:22go in cycles so i hope will be on an
0:45:23upswing with you know I don't know where
0:45:26are we and currently in an upswing with
0:45:27iOS or downswing i can't i can't really
0:45:29tell
0:45:30I think we're kind of plateauing with
0:45:33like you feel like iOS is is in a
0:45:35downswing in terms of the quality as
0:45:37compared to like the Golden Age of what
0:45:39is that iOS four maybe
0:45:41honestly I think iOS is great apple iOS
0:45:44on the iphone i think is fantastic
0:45:46iOS even on the ipad if it is is in many
0:45:51ways still pretty half-assed on the ipad
0:45:55like as as its own thing versus the
0:45:57iphone like versus just being a blown-up
0:45:59phone OS it is still it still needs a
0:46:01lot of work to really stand out zone the
0:46:04ipad but iOS in general and iOS on the
0:46:07iPhone itself i think the current
0:46:09version which is which is nine is
0:46:11is very solid I i'm very happy with nine
0:46:13so like performance see you I
0:46:15reliability api's I got all the seams
0:46:18like is this a new you know a good a
0:46:21good period for iOS we're like the UI
0:46:24and seven is kind of had most of the
0:46:25kinks worked out of it you feel
0:46:27yeah for the most part i mean like you
0:46:29know nothing's perfect but I think iOS
0:46:31is is pretty solid now both design-wise
0:46:35obviously there's a lot that that can
0:46:37use improvement with the ios7 design
0:46:39language and and some of it i just think
0:46:42will not be improved you know some of it
0:46:44would require changing that design
0:46:45language in ways that i don't think the
0:46:48the current software designers and power
0:46:50and Apple would ever allow so so i don't
0:46:52i don't think it's going to happen but
0:46:54overall I i think it's hiding iOS and
0:46:58especially i was on the iphone is solid
0:47:00there are some things that are weird as
0:47:02you mentioned anything that touches the
0:47:03cloud service can be weird i don't have
0:47:05any how many people out there with with
0:47:07iphones are very frequently asked to go
0:47:10every enter their iCloud password and
0:47:12settings here periodically asked like
0:47:14something yeah it comes it's like rain
0:47:16that's a dark sky app for what yeah what
0:47:19am I going to be asked for my class
0:47:20today you're gonna be a 17 times then
0:47:23you will not be asked again for three
0:47:24weeks
0:47:25why I don't know in my case I I very
0:47:28frequently will wake up to a phone that
0:47:30i need to re-enter my passcode on that
0:47:32hasn't rebooted but it just won't do it
0:47:34says dr. idea has been more than 48
0:47:36hours and it's been like seven hours
0:47:38yeah and so you know it's like there's
0:47:40little stuff like that but in general
0:47:43using the phone like the the you at the
0:47:45OS like in general I would say both iOS
0:47:48and Mac os10 in their current versions
0:47:51of iOS 9 + l capitana I think both are
0:47:55pretty solid pretty good releases I i
0:47:58would say that the the apple TV needs a
0:48:01lot of work in the softening of the
0:48:03actual like the OS level like the the
0:48:07like or you know colonel and everything
0:48:09seemed fine
0:48:10the the UI on the appletv I think it's a
0:48:13lot of work it
0:48:15it is very much a UI designed to look
0:48:18good in screenshots and add
0:48:20and very much not a UI design to use
0:48:22well at all and the only thing you need
0:48:24to do to see this is by TV show on
0:48:26iTunes but it's so it's so bad but by TV
0:48:30season on itunes it's oh my god like it
0:48:34is so like so clearly not designed to
0:48:36buy anybody who ever actually has done
0:48:38this or needs to do this
0:48:39it was designed to look good on the
0:48:41screen shot once and it does seem like
0:48:43the print marketing group or whoever
0:48:46like took over the software UI design I
0:48:49think the appletv the new apple TV is is
0:48:52an example of how that can go pretty
0:48:54badly wrong against usability and and I
0:48:56hope they see that and and work on that
0:48:58because it is it is pretty rough right
0:49:00now in a few areas like that are pretty
0:49:02pretty common and to the point where
0:49:03like this
0:49:05this Christmas you know usually we give
0:49:07Apple TV's to our relatives here and
0:49:08there and it's Christmas we didn't
0:49:10belong to anybody because we don't want
0:49:12to support it
0:49:13it's yeah it's not it's not a good spot
0:49:16but it's got a kind of ironic a way that
0:49:18unlike the the print design mentality
0:49:20when really what they need is like what
0:49:22print design morphed into which is web
0:49:23design because when print war one friend
0:49:25former to web design they brought on the
0:49:28information architecture people to
0:49:29explain to them it's not so much but
0:49:31your screens look like it's what screens
0:49:34are and how they connect to each other
0:49:35and how people get a sense of place
0:49:37about it and how many screens you know
0:49:38like plain-old wireframe information
0:49:41architecture came into combined with the
0:49:43print people to say when you do web
0:49:44design is not a bunch of pages you have
0:49:46to actually design you know the the
0:49:48information flow and how it's connected
0:49:50now it's organized in a way that makes
0:49:52sense to people allows them to get where
0:49:53they want to go in a reasonable fashion
0:49:55and not feel lost and all that other
0:49:56stuff whereas yeah that I feel about the
0:49:59apple TV with a lot of the screens look
0:50:01really good but they're they're not
0:50:04connected to each other in a sensible
0:50:05way they seem to be too many of them
0:50:07and a lot of time I I feel like I'm
0:50:10going through too many screens or i'd
0:50:11i'd lose track of where I am so that's
0:50:13that's just plain old straight up a
0:50:15rally polar bear book business
0:50:18yeah so that is one thing on my wish
0:50:20list i really hope that the apple TV
0:50:23gets just some some UI tweaks to make it
0:50:26more usable because right now it is it
0:50:29is so poorly usable in in so many little
0:50:33areas like that and it seems like the
0:50:35fix is not difficult it just takes some
0:50:37rethinking of certain screen layouts and
0:50:40and so I i hope they do that so that is
0:50:43that one item that market forces that is
0:50:45that counts to one item is he saying
0:50:47that he thinks what what he wants to see
0:50:49is the apple TV getting some
0:50:53improvements some reasonable improvement
0:50:55because the same platform as a lot of
0:50:57obvious things they can do
0:50:58yeah and also I mean while i'm talking
0:51:00about the apple TV i would also say you
0:51:03know this is this has a brand new app
0:51:05store the implementation of the store
0:51:07itself is pretty bad and i would love to
0:51:09see that improved as well and and in the
0:51:12area of apps for the apple TV you know
0:51:15it's still very early there are there
0:51:17are very few apps available for it i
0:51:19would love to see you know whenever a
0:51:21new platform comes out you have people
0:51:23like an apple TV I know guide which has
0:51:25talked a lot about this on his podcast
0:51:26and blog like you kinda want to see like
0:51:30not just porting iphone apps to it but
0:51:33we want to look what-what new kinds of
0:51:35apps
0:51:36does this make possible that we haven't
0:51:38thought of yet and on the appletv we
0:51:40haven't seen that yet
0:51:41I i'm curious to know if during 2016 we
0:51:44will see some new kind of app take off
0:51:47on the appletv that that wouldn't work
0:51:50just as well or better on a phone like
0:51:51something that really take advantage of
0:51:53being a TV app you know so i would love
0:51:55to see that come from the third-party
0:51:57community and I hope it does I really do
0:52:00hope it does and i also hope that the
0:52:01appletv becomes a first-class game
0:52:05platform to release on for iOS games
0:52:08like I i I'm gonna have a pie-in-the-sky
0:52:10buzzer on that one
0:52:11no I know I know that like that like
0:52:13obviously like I'm not expecting get
0:52:16like console games to be launched to it
0:52:17but but I think games that are launching
0:52:19on iOS
0:52:20or that are that are having success in
0:52:22iOS i hope that they get ported quickly
0:52:25to the apple TV or launched
0:52:26simultaneously would be like probably
0:52:28the finest gotta go for now but it would
0:52:30be nice to see it get more gaming status
0:52:33because it is really fun to play good
0:52:35games on the appletv but I that I think
0:52:38you know if I would if this is the
0:52:40predictions episode I would honestly
0:52:42predict neither of those things happen
0:52:44either it being a first-party thing for
0:52:46games nor us seeing some really amazing
0:52:48ask for i would actually say neither of
0:52:49us are likely to happen but there but
0:52:52they're both plausible and I and they're
0:52:54both things that I wish would happen so
0:52:56how are we summarizing the 93 points you
0:52:58just made apple TV colon get better
0:53:01yeah there you go he had some definitely
0:53:04some plausible things that could be done
0:53:05to apple TV i think it drifted off into
0:53:07into unicorns in the beginning are you
0:53:09get a pass for now you don't have to
0:53:11worry about that goodness I'd okc your
0:53:13turn
0:53:15so I have a handful and what I want to
0:53:18use first ok i will use App Store
0:53:21improvements that app store colon get
0:53:24better and i think that it's easy for me
0:53:28to to make these sorts of wishes and
0:53:32hopes and dreams and and decisions from
0:53:35the position of someone who really this
0:53:37is this doesn't affect me but for those
0:53:39friends that I have like Marco like
0:53:41underscore and so many others that they
0:53:43try to make a living out of the app
0:53:44store i would really love to see things
0:53:49get better for independent developers
0:53:51and I I'm not really clear how I mean a
0:53:54lot of the the standard answers like
0:53:56trials and things like that that may or
0:53:58may not improve things but whatever the
0:54:00answer is especially what with the
0:54:03shake-up that we discussed be the last
0:54:04week in week 4 i'd really like to see
0:54:07and I think it's plausible to see the
0:54:09appstore get better actually but both
0:54:12for independent developers which is how
0:54:13is originally coming at this but also
0:54:15for users you'll see search get better
0:54:17to see things like a Home Sharing I've
0:54:20never tried because I was petrified of
0:54:22trying because I've heard it's terrible
0:54:24all of that can we just make that better
0:54:26please
0:54:27that's pretty vague item i mean it is is
0:54:29plausible definitely possible give you
0:54:30picked one thing for example say you
0:54:32picked up great pricing
0:54:33hundred percent plausible that is merely
0:54:35a policy change it could happen you
0:54:36could have said but instead you just
0:54:38kind of pointed and said I want
0:54:39something better to happen for the app
0:54:41store but you're not willing to say what
0:54:42that is i can see that is definitely a
0:54:44lot of plausible things
0:54:45yeah and I think the thing of it is that
0:54:47I'm not so convinced that all the things
0:54:50everyone's been whining about our the
0:54:52right answer
0:54:53they may be CEO upgrade pricing might
0:54:55help a lot trials might help a lot but
0:54:59i'm not sure those are the silver
0:55:01bullets everyone says they are and i
0:55:03haven't been able to come up with the
0:55:04silver bullet and i'm pretty sure if i
0:55:06if i could i I would be much better
0:55:09compensated than i am and i probably
0:55:11working at apple but whatever the answer
0:55:13maybe there's gotta be something out
0:55:15there's gotta be a way to make things
0:55:17better
0:55:17maybe it's more transparency let ok I'll
0:55:19go with that because just a little bit
0:55:21more transparency now you might have to
0:55:23hit the pie in the sky buzzer but now
0:55:25better than anyone like to say that like
0:55:27that the problem when one app developers
0:55:30have their application review and they
0:55:32have just like a status line with a
0:55:33canned message that tells them what
0:55:35phase it's in or when it gets rejected
0:55:38like the fact that they can't
0:55:41immediately connect with someone to have
0:55:44a humane discussion about the issues at
0:55:47hand like that just is like some
0:55:49misunderstanding will be cleared up with
0:55:50a five-minute conversation with a person
0:55:52who is empowered to do something in that
0:55:53conversation can never happen to you can
0:55:55send email you can sit and wait for a
0:55:57response
0:55:58sometimes the response makes it clear
0:55:59they didn't understand what you said and
0:56:01just like I don't know if you call a
0:56:02transparency or like communication or
0:56:05like maybe it's a scaling problems can't
0:56:06have individual people talk to
0:56:09individual developers about their
0:56:10problems with your applications and a
0:56:11lot of it has to be canned responses but
0:56:13yeah I think that could definitely
0:56:15improve even if you just through
0:56:17manpower and a charwoman power our human
0:56:20power but just a higher power more
0:56:22people to you know so there's someone
0:56:25always someone available the
0:56:27knowledgeable person available to
0:56:29discuss and a projection to explain what
0:56:32the deal is what needs to be done to fix
0:56:34it if there's a misunderstanding going
0:56:36on you know because at one of the ones
0:56:38I've ever seen a couple times is someone
0:56:41will submit an application and I'll get
0:56:43rejected for reading or writing files
0:56:45from her forbidden ok
0:56:46ocean but the code that is reading or
0:56:48writing forbidden files is from inside
0:56:49an apple framework and it's not clear
0:56:53like did I use the framework wrong that
0:56:55called that i miss configure it and call
0:56:57an API you know that on some kind of
0:56:59misconfigured object and that's why i
0:57:01wrote an overall bad place or is it a
0:57:03bug in Apple's own code where number how
0:57:05you use API it has the potential to
0:57:07write files on a forbidden place or
0:57:08whatever and so developers who get that
0:57:10message i get that rejection like what
0:57:13what do i do not come because I not use
0:57:15that framework because it's like as far
0:57:16as they're concerned it's not their code
0:57:18that's doing it and all the need is
0:57:20someone who ever did this rejection but
0:57:21if Apple even knows to say oh you know
0:57:23you there
0:57:24you know I know it's our code doing it
0:57:26but it's because you're using our API
0:57:28and the wrong way using like this that
0:57:30and it causes the right files here if
0:57:32you use it in this other way I want to
0:57:33that or have someone have the
0:57:35conversation and go oh you're right
0:57:36you're not doing anything wrong that's
0:57:38just a bug in our framework and those
0:57:40conversations either seem to happen way
0:57:43too slowly or not happen at all and a
0:57:45lot of developers get frustrated by you
0:57:48know a rejection that's not actionable
0:57:50like they don't know what it is they
0:57:51just throw up their hands and say well
0:57:52what am I supposed to do about that and
0:57:53I'm not supposed to use the framework am
0:57:55i doing something on it and some
0:57:56respects like well you know it's not
0:57:58apples job to write your application for
0:57:59you but I don't know I've seen enough of
0:58:02those cases that I think a a better more
0:58:05human connection with the faceless
0:58:08machine that is a perv you could benefit
0:58:10all developers me to me like my 2016
0:58:13wish in regards to appstore improvement
0:58:15is much more broad and vague because
0:58:19honestly i don't expect a lot of these
0:58:22things that you've mentioned happen
0:58:24my wish is simply show us a sign that
0:58:30things might be changing for the better
0:58:32because you know like we got the the
0:58:35phil taking over thing last week show us
0:58:38a sign of movement in the right
0:58:40direction in actual app store status or
0:58:43behavior or policy for years the
0:58:46attitude of the appstore shown by both
0:58:50their communication and by the other
0:58:52action or rather in action for the most
0:58:54part the attitude has been really
0:58:57nothing here needs needs to be changed
0:58:58everything is fine
0:58:59and we know that the system we have now
0:59:01is good and works well in reality the
0:59:04system they have now is ok and works ok
0:59:07but it I i would not say that there's no
0:59:11room for improvement where the attitude
0:59:13from them keeps being by by their
0:59:15actions he's being we don't need to
0:59:17improve this because they really just
0:59:19haven't you know so i would like to see
0:59:22you some sign that they believe that
0:59:25they agree inside that they believe that
0:59:28there are things that could use
0:59:29significant improvement and that they
0:59:31are working on them because we really
0:59:33have seen nothing of that sort so far
0:59:35you just want to like issue an apology
0:59:36or making a statement of purpose or make
0:59:39it make a mission statement to say we
0:59:41agree things are wrong and we will fix
0:59:42them somehow vaguely know i mean i would
0:59:45like to see action but it doesn't have
0:59:47to be a big action yet just like some
0:59:49kind of action that shows that that they
0:59:52are changing things in the after that
0:59:54they are not satisfied with the asteroid
0:59:55let something like they appear so
0:59:57incredibly satisfied with it and that
0:59:59and
0:59:59and
1:00:00just so little has changed about it in
1:00:02seven years where like I i guess i want
1:00:05to see something that indicates that
1:00:07Apple truly believes this is not good
1:00:10enough
1:00:10Casey said that he didn't know you know
1:00:12like it didn't have any specific plans
1:00:13maybe trials on it maybe upgrade pricing
1:00:16isn't it wasn't sure exactly what it was
1:00:18well apples not sure sure about the same
1:00:21things they're not sure that because if
1:00:23they were sure that upgrades and fix it
1:00:24they would do it they sure the trials
1:00:25would make things better they would do
1:00:26it so obviously they also agree with you
1:00:28Casey they're not quite sure what to do
1:00:29and so they're doing nothing and like
1:00:32it's the same same thing with markers
1:00:34request here if you don't have a
1:00:35specific thing like i know you want
1:00:38something to happen but someone inside
1:00:40Apple have to pick which thing it is and
1:00:43it's potentially dangerous could say
1:00:44you're wrong and trials makes the
1:00:46appstore worse instead of better I yeah
1:00:48I mean I guess that kind of film archos
1:00:50things at least we'll be showing what we
1:00:51tried something at least instead of just
1:00:52saying I work you know like but i think
1:00:55the impression you're getting Margo is
1:00:56like because if they don't do anything
1:00:57we just assume i guess they must make
1:00:59its fine because they never do anything
1:01:00it doesn't change yes and so it's like
1:01:03yeah and so them doing something even
1:01:05who was the wrong thing would at least
1:01:07show that they have some internal
1:01:09dissatisfaction it could be argued they
1:01:11the management reshuffle it counts as
1:01:13something even though it is not a change
1:01:15yet that affects developers it does at
1:01:18least show that they think there's
1:01:19something amiss somewhere inside apples
1:01:21organization whether they think the
1:01:22thing that's in this is the app store or
1:01:25some other thing that was affected by
1:01:26the shuffle we don't know but uh know
1:01:28how do i can let that one slide by
1:01:30because it is definitely plausible that
1:01:32it will do something what something
1:01:34vague will not specified
1:01:36hey if I had to scrape the system
1:01:39somehow just for you
1:01:40alright what's your first by here you
1:01:43guys are gonna be vague and big picture
1:01:45minds are just so super specific and so
1:01:48easy i want to know Mac Pro so does
1:01:51Marco so does everybody everyone who
1:01:53doesn't want to hang around a macro
1:01:55every play
1:01:57it's a new mac pro with the you know
1:02:01thunderball three and and my sub item is
1:02:04a new 5k external display to drive off
1:02:06the thing like if we all know we want it
1:02:08we know it has to be coming just make a
1:02:11new mac pro is entirely possible
1:02:13represent plausible and it should come
1:02:14in 2016 and when it comes I'll be
1:02:16excited because i like that and i might
1:02:18even buy one
1:02:19yeah this is I have this i have that
1:02:21also on my list of course under a
1:02:24heading of just complete the retina
1:02:27transition and so what this would have
1:02:29to include is a desktop standalone 5k
1:02:32display and the ability for the mac pro
1:02:37and the laptops to drive it and and
1:02:41maybe the mac mini as well be nice i'm
1:02:43not expecting much on that front because
1:02:45that many is so really updated but that
1:02:47would be nice
1:02:47people look up screens to make monies
1:02:49that are tvs are yes so yeah I totally I
1:02:54mean and and this is very plausible
1:02:55because this is this is going to be the
1:02:59year of Sky lake and and you know we we
1:03:01got like little trickle sky like so far
1:03:032016 should be if intel has everything
1:03:06together which is not a given but if
1:03:08they have everything together
1:03:09this should be the year of the sky like
1:03:11everywhere so this should be the laptops
1:03:14finally all them all the pros going
1:03:16skylake the macbook one going to Sky
1:03:18lake and getting us USBC port upgraded
1:03:20to also have Thunderbolt coming out of
1:03:22it
1:03:22the macbook pro retina line I I expect
1:03:26to be not only upgrade to Sky like but
1:03:28to also get a redesign we've heard
1:03:30rumors here in the will and i think the
1:03:32timing is right because the current
1:03:33design came out 2012 and Scarlett gives
1:03:35them an excuse to make the battery
1:03:36smaller so i expect there to be a
1:03:39macbook pro sky like refresh this is
1:03:41start getting into predictions me that
1:03:43but this is all just part of it you like
1:03:45I want this to be finally completing the
1:03:49the retina transition in the mac lineup
1:03:52because it has been partially complete
1:03:54literally since 2012 and we are so close
1:03:58we're so close and and we're just not
1:04:00quite there yet until we can get sky
1:04:03like that can drive scarlet chipset with
1:04:05Thunderbolt three that can drive extra
1:04:075k displays or personal cable and and
1:04:09that is so close we are so close to that
1:04:12do you want to see them get rid of the
1:04:13macbook air so here's what I think will
1:04:16happen on that front not what you think
1:04:17will happen do you want them together
1:04:19like would you be happy like if you
1:04:20could if you could tell Apple to do
1:04:22essentially is discontinuing in the
1:04:24macbook air is entirely
1:04:25feasible so if you were in charge of
1:04:26Apple you say you know in 2016 stop
1:04:28making a macbook air
1:04:30first of all and i think that would be
1:04:31too soon I I wouldn't i would expect the
1:04:34macbook air to get updates from now on a
1:04:36similar schedule to win the mac mini
1:04:38kiss updates i would expect that they
1:04:41wouldn't get rid of the air without
1:04:42compelling things taking its place so
1:04:44obviously on the low end you have the
1:04:46macbook one but the macbook one really
1:04:49does not replace the air in a number of
1:04:53ways because it is so much slower and so
1:04:56much more limited has so many more
1:04:57compromises for that for that thinness
1:05:00than even the air does i do think though
1:05:02that when they redesign the the sky lake
1:05:05macbook pros the retina macbook pro I do
1:05:08think the the newly thinner lighter
1:05:1113-inch retina MacBook Pro will be so
1:05:15close to it to the 13-inch macbook air
1:05:17that i think it will make the macbook
1:05:19air far less relevant so then on the low
1:05:22end you have the macbook one eating into
1:05:26the 11-inch and then you have the the
1:05:28new thinner 13-inch macbook pro eating
1:05:31into the 13-inch air and then I think
1:05:33the airline is pretty much obviously at
1:05:35that point that doesn't mean Apple will
1:05:37stop selling it because Kurt today's
1:05:38Apple does not stop selling anything
1:05:40ever
1:05:40but i do think that both ends will then
1:05:43be adequately attacked and will be
1:05:46clearly replaced for most air buyers at
1:05:49that point so Marco you would said that
1:05:53you want a new mac pro and God help me
1:05:57for encouraging you to talk about this
1:05:58more but why what would this phantom new
1:06:02mac pro do for you that your and i don't
1:06:05mean that sarcastically beloved I'm a 5k
1:06:08imac doesn't do for the most part i'm
1:06:12not sure i would get the next generation
1:06:15mac pro i might get the one after that
1:06:17ultimately what I want out of my
1:06:19computer that the current imac is not
1:06:21satisfying me with is just even more
1:06:24sheer cpu performance like that I i
1:06:27always want more cpu performance than
1:06:29what i have and the way Intel's moving
1:06:31these days new cpu performance does not
1:06:34come easily
1:06:35it does not come quickly skylight is
1:06:38isn't a substantial boost not not like
1:06:40you know twice as fast but it's you know
1:06:42it's faster by a noticeable amount and i
1:06:45would i would get way more course i
1:06:47would probably go 8-core if i got a Mac
1:06:49Pro maybe even 12 but if that would
1:06:51probably insanely price so i would
1:06:53probably go with eight as time goes on
1:06:55my cpu needs just are increasing you
1:06:57know I now i'm taking way more pictures
1:07:00and that now they have this awesome new
1:07:01camera process those pictures is insane
1:07:03i'm shooting 4k video now with my
1:07:06awesome iphone camera and my fancy
1:07:08camera even more the iphone and some
1:07:09dealing with bigger video files with
1:07:11bigger photos as I'm compiling your code
1:07:13and i'll be transitioning to Swift
1:07:15fairly soon all the cpu needs everything
1:07:17keep going up for comfort compilation
1:07:19and everything so ultimately I push my
1:07:22computer to the limit fairly often in my
1:07:25work and you know not for like massively
1:07:28long sustained periods for the most part
1:07:30but for like brief periods of I just
1:07:33need all the horsepower i can get for
1:07:34the next two minutes kind of thing and I
1:07:36do that kind of thing frequently so I
1:07:38really would like more cpu power and
1:07:41that's that is mainly what I've been
1:07:42looking for in in all other ways i'm
1:07:45extremely happy with this with the time
1:07:46act and even cpu power wise versus the
1:07:50wife is available today it is at the top
1:07:52for single-threaded I go I guess the the
1:07:55newer Broadwell based one probably be to
1:07:57buy a few percentage points but it is
1:07:59relative to the entire math lab it is it
1:08:01is one of the like top couple or cut top
1:08:03three that have ever existed in
1:08:05single-threaded performance and even in
1:08:07multi-core it is pretty far up the list
1:08:10until you go to the very high court
1:08:12count mac pros so it is it is really
1:08:14close to as good as you can get already
1:08:16that's why I'm saying like I would
1:08:18probably wait a generation of mac pro
1:08:20but I don't know the generations keeping
1:08:23two or three years long that might
1:08:25change it so that the matter has a
1:08:26timing issue because the the Zeon's that
1:08:29that it would use that would go in and
1:08:32update the the Broadwell Zeon's are
1:08:34coming out next week but though that
1:08:36chipset will not support Thunderbolt
1:08:38three so that chipset most likely won't
1:08:41be able to drive a theoretical 5k apple
1:08:44display but the sky lake city are coming
1:08:46out you know quote later this year that
1:08:49would be a way better chip to use in a
1:08:50macpro updated the
1:08:52three because then you could read the
1:08:53whole thing with Thunderbolt three USBC
1:08:56port and the ability to drive new 52
1:08:59monitor so I hope that's what they do
1:09:02I don't know that's what the loop but I
1:09:03hope they will wait for sky like eat
1:09:05chips and thank us and I saw that and if
1:09:07they do that would be a really
1:09:10interesting option for me to consider
1:09:12but i probably would probably still
1:09:14wanna way to generation just to get a
1:09:16bigger boost over what i have now you're
1:09:18talking like me now all I don't want to
1:09:20buy this one I wanted by the next one
1:09:21but the the president's historically is
1:09:23that you do buy this one and also the
1:09:25next one truth that that's usually the
1:09:26case yeah well once I learned how easy
1:09:28it is to resell max it it makes it a lot
1:09:31easier than that then becomes like well
1:09:33is it worth spending like you know a
1:09:35thousand dollars to use this computer
1:09:36for 18 months and it's like sometimes
1:09:38the answer is yes you know yet if if you
1:09:41can get like the best computer in the
1:09:43world for what you do every single day
1:09:44by it when it comes out and installed a
1:09:47year later for you know five hundred to
1:09:49a thousand dollars less than what you
1:09:50paid that's not that bad
1:09:52that's pretty good actually it's always
1:09:53the mega college of business you could
1:09:55be the only client to make it as a rent
1:09:57to you max like they rent to head phones
1:09:59and cameras right yeah so I mean I guess
1:10:01that's fine and make sense knowledge i'm
1:10:04surprised that you really are cpu-bound
1:10:06that often because about the only time
1:10:07cpu-bound is what I'm you're compressing
1:10:09video files that have like ripped from a
1:10:10blu-ray or something like that it's so
1:10:12rare that i'm cpu-bound on anything else
1:10:14that i do I don't know
1:10:16alright so who's turn is it now Marcos i
1:10:19believe i made basically least it's
1:10:21still Johnny Mac Pro topic but you have
1:10:23in your list it was a duplicate
1:10:25yeah it really is you know for me it
1:10:26really is part of this kind of this
1:10:27general thing of like it's good i hope
1:10:29to be the year of sky like everywhere
1:10:31and also finally finished the retina
1:10:33transition on Mac finally cover the
1:10:35whole product line with retina now I
1:10:37know how to feel so the market is it
1:10:38cannot follow instructions know all
1:10:40about what he predicts what he just no
1:10:43that's a wish that's because that is not
1:10:44that is not guaranteed you know like
1:10:47this this 5k display might not actually
1:10:49come out
1:10:50yeah you know it the new mac pro using
1:10:52scarlet might not come out or Michael
1:10:54not using Broadwell and not have
1:10:56Thunderbolt three for the next three
1:10:57years we have neglected
1:10:59yeah like my eyes and my items are two
1:11:02things like I want a new mac pro even if
1:11:05its
1:11:05the broad one and the sub items i'm
1:11:07gonna do 5k display and so if I get one
1:11:09of those i got a Mac Pro yeah I'm glad
1:11:11it was because here's what here's what i
1:11:13want to do micro even though it doesn't
1:11:14drive the five guys playing even though
1:11:15I've said that i'm not gonna buy it
1:11:16until it does a new macro would signal
1:11:20that hit that the mac pro is not on the
1:11:22mac mini update cycle you don't mean
1:11:24like that is a line of computers that
1:11:26they consider updating on something
1:11:28approaching a reasonable schedule based
1:11:30on the availability of the chips that
1:11:32everyone thinks they should put in
1:11:33unlike the mini which is like skipped a
1:11:35year or two whatever then someone wakes
1:11:37up because not many what
1:11:38alright yeah here's another one that
1:11:40goes back to sleep again i would like to
1:11:43see some sort of solid story i guess
1:11:49around Swift on the server something
1:11:51that's that's considered that's
1:11:53deliberate that's well thought out some
1:11:56sort of nice Swift on the server package
1:11:59setup framework whatever adjective you'd
1:12:02like to use I want to switch on the
1:12:04server I think that'd be cool
1:12:06from Apple are from somebody else don't
1:12:08care i mean from Apple be better I guess
1:12:10since its first party but really if
1:12:12there was some accepted and understood
1:12:15standard I would really love to see it's
1:12:18something we would not one of those
1:12:19situations like copepods vs Carthage or
1:12:22anything like that like an
1:12:23honest-to-goodness good robust mature as
1:12:27much as it can be given this is all new
1:12:29swift on the server framework I think
1:12:32that would be really really awesome i
1:12:33almost had an item like that on my list
1:12:35but I didn't quite know how to phrase it
1:12:36and I have obviously more demanding
1:12:38about avoiding vagueness than either of
1:12:41you are I was like yeah you know like it
1:12:43like a maybe you know we just need a
1:12:47bunch of libraries for HTTP or just
1:12:50handling the protocol and then like you
1:12:52know sort of web frameworks on top of
1:12:54that or another possibility is some
1:12:58standardized way to talk to databases
1:13:01from a swift you know like it is there
1:13:03so many pieces i'm thinking obviously
1:13:05you know quote-unquote web applications
1:13:07or web applications may just be
1:13:09something that that you no exception
1:13:11returns JSON over HTTP is that web
1:13:13application or you know but just what we
1:13:15think of as when you say server-side
1:13:16think that's what we're all
1:13:17about like not many people are making
1:13:19service these days that aren't talking
1:13:21HTTP right and so that i don't know if
1:13:26you need like especially in the first
1:13:29year like IE it's too much to ask i
1:13:31think to say oh there should be a giant
1:13:34plug proliferation of web framework
1:13:37things and they should all do get out
1:13:38until one clear Victor emerges like it's
1:13:40gonna take like five years right so
1:13:42maybe we'll start smaller and say how
1:13:44about just a standard for starting the
1:13:47server listening on a port dealing with
1:13:49HTTP sending and receiving requests in
1:13:52sending responses sort of the bare-bones
1:13:53the equivalent of you know wsgi and
1:13:57Python or PSG I plaque and pearl or
1:13:59whatever like maybe we start with that
1:14:01that seems like a reasonable year one
1:14:03year goal and even there but they'll be
1:14:05like five competing standards and they
1:14:06have to just Duke it out and then the
1:14:08second year will be clear which one is
1:14:10the best support or whatever yeah I I i
1:14:12would really like that too i just didn't
1:14:14know how to phrase it
1:14:15yeah and I mean people have started
1:14:17doing this there's a tailor which the
1:14:20chat room is linking me to put that in
1:14:22the show notes I feel like there was
1:14:23something else with a really cheesy name
1:14:25and that was one called nest i think i'm
1:14:27not familiar with that those wasn't one
1:14:28called like perfect or something that
1:14:30i'm sure there's like 19 of them like it
1:14:31exactly we will we're asking for is like
1:14:34there to be one or two
1:14:35let's get that are really good well
1:14:37supported debugged the people are
1:14:39building things on like it's really a
1:14:41tough year one called like I mean I i
1:14:43think we'll be making progress in it but
1:14:45anytime you sort of give this kind of
1:14:47playground to people
1:14:49no pun intended there they're just going
1:14:51to everyone's going to try a whole bunch
1:14:52of things and there's i don't know if
1:14:53you can really fast forward through that
1:14:55to get to the end part where we all
1:14:57decide on jquery or whatever and ready
1:14:59to begin we have to do
1:15:01yeah I don't wanna bring JavaScript into
1:15:03this is too painful
1:15:05God even new JavaScript alright have any
1:15:08other thoughts on this or should we move
1:15:09back to John
1:15:10alright John alright so my second or
1:15:14third if you count the 5k display item
1:15:16list and I'm gonna throw this out there
1:15:17but remember this is not a prediction
1:15:19not a prediction new file system did a
1:15:22system for 40 s 10 and for iOS sure they
1:15:26can have it too if they really want
1:15:28that's fine i think it's plausible
1:15:31how long has apple menu new file system
1:15:33for a really really long time they
1:15:36should have been working on this for
1:15:37years and years and years and years and
1:15:38years and they should be working out and
1:15:40they have been like they've worked long
1:15:42enough to have a ZFS dead end with many
1:15:44years back
1:15:45like I feel like it is plausible I don't
1:15:47think it's gonna happen i feel like if i
1:15:49had to predict that would say 20 17 ish
1:15:51but it is plausible and so when I sit
1:15:53down to watch WWE see whether in person
1:15:56or remotely in 2016
1:15:59i am going to have a plausible hope as
1:16:02opposed to this year which was a
1:16:03slightly less plausible hope that they
1:16:06announced a new file system and I guess
1:16:08they would announce it in the context of
1:16:09the mac or maybe they would announce it
1:16:11all don't even know i just wanted to
1:16:12exist so again this is not a prediction
1:16:15this is the wish and i believe it is
1:16:17planned if it's not plausible shame on
1:16:18Apple because if you say well it's too
1:16:20soon we just started work on this
1:16:21project six months ago you did did you
1:16:23really start six months ago anyway the
1:16:26filesystem and good luck
1:16:28alright Marco for you so i have this
1:16:32whole section here on the Apple watch
1:16:36what i want the apple watch to find it
1:16:38away by all accounts the apple watch is
1:16:41doing decently but by many people's
1:16:44estimations looking at server logs and
1:16:46everything it does seem like many of
1:16:48them are given as Christmas gifts this
1:16:50this past week and you know before that
1:16:52it seems like the Apple watch was doing
1:16:53decently sales-wise you know not a
1:16:56massive like something on fire kind of
1:16:58thing not the next iphone by any means
1:17:01but doing decently so sales-wise it
1:17:04seems like it's gonna be here to stay
1:17:06it's it's a it's a line that is working
1:17:09for apple I worry that it will have the
1:17:12same growth curve as the ipad it will
1:17:15shoot up now as it's the new cool thing
1:17:17and then a lot of people will just drop
1:17:20off or the upgrade cycle will become
1:17:22very long way
1:17:23overlapping wanted to be I think the
1:17:25apple watch is a product that it is like
1:17:2975 percent good it just needs a lot of
1:17:33refinement because everything it does
1:17:36like it does things that are incredibly
1:17:38compelling and it just does them all
1:17:40like almost really well so for the last
1:17:43few days I have been wearing a
1:17:45mechanical watch i have not warm apple
1:17:47watch since I don't know week ago or so
1:17:49so I very mechanical watches i got a
1:17:52Christmas gift and and I'm and I'm
1:17:53learning what this world is like one of
1:17:56the cool things about a mechanical watch
1:17:57besides the fact that I think honestly
1:17:59I'm finally understanding when the when
1:18:03the the watch people said with the Apple
1:18:05watch launch that that is just not a
1:18:08fashion item like it when you compare
1:18:10the way like traditional style watches
1:18:14look versus the way the apple watch
1:18:16looks I think you can say in isolation
1:18:19that the Apple watch can look good you
1:18:21know and many of its configuration think
1:18:23it does look good but when you compare
1:18:26it fashionability wise to mechanical
1:18:29watch I think it's honestly no contest
1:18:32but it's not even the same league but
1:18:34that's ok you know that doesn't need to
1:18:36be it just needs to be good anyway there
1:18:38are so many areas of it and which like
1:18:40like the notifications i do miss now I'm
1:18:42wearing this watch i do miss like when
1:18:45when case you sent me a message earlier
1:18:47my pocket vibrated and I i glanced at my
1:18:49wrist can only stop if it wasn't and i
1:18:53do miss like having my phone out does
1:18:55feeling convenient now that when i get a
1:18:57message to go try to read it and see and
1:18:59see what it is but that feature of the
1:19:01Apple watch is also very frustrating
1:19:03because for me it works most of the time
1:19:06but not all the time every so often at
1:19:09seemingly random intervals i will just
1:19:11stop receiving notifications on my Apple
1:19:14watch but my phone thinks its into the
1:19:16watch so then just they got dropped on
1:19:19the floor and I just don't receive
1:19:20messages until next time i checked my
1:19:21phone which I'm not in the habit of
1:19:23doing anymore because the Apple watch
1:19:25I can look at all the Apple watches core
1:19:27benefits and they all work like 75% well
1:19:31like that and it's frustrating and yes
1:19:33it is it is still its first year and so
1:19:36yes many
1:19:37things are like one point about you know
1:19:38technically it's on software version 2.1
1:19:40but that doesn't seem to mean what you
1:19:42would expect from A to point out i just
1:19:45think that this product has so much
1:19:48promise but it just needs to be better
1:19:51and it needs to be better in ways that
1:19:54typically don't happen quickly you like
1:19:56like if a product is launched and it's
1:19:58like almost really great that's that
1:20:02almost is really hard to resolve and to
1:20:04remove into just being really great and
1:20:07I I hope Apple can do that with the
1:20:09watch because it really is a very
1:20:12compelling product in a number of ways
1:20:14most of the time and it's just so
1:20:17frustrating that isn't all the time I am
1:20:20so I am so happy having this thing on my
1:20:23wrist now these past few days that just
1:20:25it doesn't do nearly as much as the
1:20:27apple watch by a long shot but it does
1:20:30it every single time every time I look
1:20:33at my wrist the time is displayed every
1:20:36single time and that's what you want to
1:20:38something like that you want it to be
1:20:40that reliable the apple watch isn't and
1:20:43I hope it can be and I hope it is
1:20:44because some good hope for the upgrade
1:20:47cycle because if any device had
1:20:50fashioned going forward it's got that
1:20:51both got a tech thing where this is the
1:20:53big fat version and surely they're going
1:20:55to get dinner right so that will help
1:20:56because it'll make it feel less like a
1:20:58giant screen trailer in your wrist and
1:21:00it's got the fashion thing even if they
1:21:03had made it like as thin as they wanted
1:21:05to make it and they were actually making
1:21:06it bigger again for fashion reasons the
1:21:08way you get someone to buy a new watch
1:21:10next year is can you know commit them
1:21:13this really is a fashion accessory and
1:21:15then make it look different because
1:21:16people or into fashion and fashion
1:21:18things when things look different they
1:21:19don't want to wear the same thing year
1:21:20after year so at the very least it will
1:21:23have a motivator to shorten the upgrade
1:21:27cycle that the ipad doesn't have because
1:21:29no one is upgrading their iPad because
1:21:30their old one is not fashionable yeah I
1:21:32think that's true i recently of animals
1:21:35week or two ago wrote a Apple watch
1:21:37revisited post on my site and i agree
1:21:41with you Marco that I have very mixed
1:21:43feelings about the Apple watch and in
1:21:44fact on
1:21:45the upgrade ease on relay this is with
1:21:50Jason Snelling my curly they do their
1:21:52year-end kind of recap and in you know
1:21:54funny award show and they had solicited
1:21:57feedback from any of the relay hosts
1:22:00that felt like they wanted to
1:22:01participate and I forget exactly what
1:22:03the categories were but I had listed the
1:22:06apple watch both for the most
1:22:08disappointing device as well as the one
1:22:12that has changed my life and host
1:22:13because I really do feel both of those
1:22:15things are true that I had such high
1:22:19expectations for the watch i don't think
1:22:20they've really it's really mad but at
1:22:25the same at the same time that you have
1:22:27to quote myself from my sight you know
1:22:31it's it's become it's made my myphone
1:22:35transition from being a personal device
1:22:40to a private device and that's a really
1:22:43big change
1:22:45it's now my phone is only for me and
1:22:49it's not taking it out constantly unless
1:22:51I choose to it stays in my pocket all
1:22:54the time unless I'm choosing to get it
1:22:57out and that's very different than it
1:22:59used to be when it was buzzing
1:23:00constantly and I would take my phone out
1:23:02in order to see what was going on and
1:23:04triage and whatnot and I agree with you
1:23:07Marco that having notifications on your
1:23:09wrist as long as they work which
1:23:10ninety-nine percent of the time it does
1:23:12for me although occasionally my watch
1:23:14just kind of forgets that it's connected
1:23:15to the phone as long as they work it's
1:23:17phenomenal and it's really changed the
1:23:19way I interact with my phone and so I
1:23:22agree with you I'd like to see here
1:23:23Apple watch colon get better height it
1:23:26is an extremely impressive device and i
1:23:28think i would really miss it if I
1:23:30stopped wearing it
1:23:31yeah i'm also eating on on the on the UI
1:23:34side of the Apple watch
1:23:36I think that's another product where the
1:23:38UI needs a lot of help in certain areas
1:23:40like just the way I mean honestly I i
1:23:42don't think the idea i think this falls
1:23:44off the end of possibility but i would
1:23:46love to see a completely rethinking of
1:23:49the entire app launching paradigm on the
1:23:51watch you know make it more of a like a
1:23:54clock face plus glances only kind of
1:23:57thing and get rid of
1:23:59the entire honeycomb screen and the idea
1:24:01of launching apps that way to get rid of
1:24:03an entire paradigm like I i want to see
1:24:06major rethinking of watching why I also
1:24:10just like it is a smart watch it is a
1:24:13computer be smarter like the the clock
1:24:16faces himself the watch faces themselves
1:24:19are I'm anyways still somewhat dumb and
1:24:23and I you know I've met i mentioned
1:24:24before I wanna go too far into it just
1:24:26like get just get smarter with what can
1:24:28be shown in the face
1:24:30what you have to choose between the
1:24:33relevance of certain information certain
1:24:36kind of like you know some kind of hero
1:24:39stick of like you know do I have to have
1:24:41the timer always showing on the face in
1:24:44order to have it show when it's counting
1:24:46down when I have one running like stuff
1:24:48like that just like make the watch face
1:24:51is smarter
1:24:52why does the minute hand of the utility
1:24:56face ever cover up the date so you can't
1:24:59see what date it is like simple things
1:25:01like that your resume that's why Riley
1:25:04it's a computer you can do smarter
1:25:07things when you compare it to mechanical
1:25:09watches now that I've seen this one a
1:25:11little bit when you when you compare it
1:25:13to mechanical watches the apple watch
1:25:14face isn't that much smarter it has many
1:25:17of the same downsides and mechanical
1:25:19watches do it's a computer it has the
1:25:21ability to show anything to be smarter
1:25:23to to be considerate and to be really
1:25:27you know intelligent and and flexible
1:25:29you know in a way that the current Apple
1:25:31watch face environment doesn't take
1:25:34advantage of it and doesn't really
1:25:35expose or allow and I i really hope to
1:25:38see more of that and and you know but
1:25:40again this i think this push the bounds
1:25:42of possibility because a lot of that
1:25:44would require cutting and redoing and
1:25:48redesigning and rethinking much of the
1:25:50Apple watches existing existing you I
1:25:52honestly don't see Apple doing that
1:25:54instead we have these rumors that the
1:25:56version too hard it'll just be like
1:25:57FaceTime camera added and that sounds
1:26:00insane to me like I hope that that might
1:26:03but i have listed on here is like 2nd
1:26:05gen hardware please let it be
1:26:07substantially faster because the the
1:26:09speed of the watch really impedes
1:26:12kinds of usefulness that you can do with
1:26:14it saps it would be nice if it was a
1:26:15little bit thinner they probably won't
1:26:16happen and i have here
1:26:18facetime camera ? i hope i missing
1:26:20something because i really like I I hope
1:26:25there's a good use for that camera that
1:26:27I'm not thinking of because I can think
1:26:29of one really bad use which should be
1:26:31facetime oh I really hope that's not it
1:26:36so much for Apple to sell nose hair
1:26:37trimmers in its stores soon as people
1:26:41start using that facetime camera is
1:26:43gonna be a running nose hair trimmers
1:26:44you know it they could sell them right
1:26:47next to the hedge trimmers they need to
1:26:49treat to trim it became a total employee
1:26:52at what we got a badge for you god bless
1:26:54america
1:26:55don't worry Casey you almost get credit
1:26:57for that joke yeah that was going to
1:26:59come on
1:26:59goodness alright so does that make it
1:27:04it's my turn again to keep with the
1:27:07super nerdy topics
1:27:09there's a swift package manager for OS
1:27:1310 i'd like to see that on iOS four
1:27:15shirts coming and I'd like to see that
1:27:18get adopted so the previously mentioned
1:27:20Carthage vs cocoapods war just goes away
1:27:25all right be careful what you wish for
1:27:26their because they're like for all the
1:27:30faults you may find that the existing
1:27:31package managers there's still more
1:27:33mature than this brand spanking new
1:27:34swift one so it would I i think what
1:27:37you're asking for is like unification
1:27:39even if it unifying around something
1:27:40that is less mature at this point and
1:27:42yeah that would be good i don't know if
1:27:44that's plausible for next year because
1:27:48yeah that's that's that's like a
1:27:49forward-looking thing where like I would
1:27:50like to see this mess sorted out so that
1:27:52I don't have to deal with these
1:27:54differences and there's just one way
1:27:56that everyone agrees on of of doing this
1:27:58thing like you know German ruby or
1:28:00c-band pearl or whatever and having one
1:28:04thing is better than that one thing
1:28:06being particularly debug door worked out
1:28:08or whatever but the grand for a couple
1:28:10years and more pain and that
1:28:12oh I think you're right but I think if
1:28:14Apple made something really robust and
1:28:16really solid i think it could kind of
1:28:19solve the problem once and for all four
1:28:21yet far for mac and iOS i have probably
1:28:23but like them what are the
1:28:25hope your previous thing about the
1:28:27service I people maybe they come up with
1:28:28their own says matter
1:28:29yeah but that's all I had for well for
1:28:32this one anyway so John alright next
1:28:36item is another see how simple and
1:28:39concise mine are new mac pro new file
1:28:41system 5k display and another concise
1:28:43one Apple pencil for ipad non-pro that's
1:28:47it for the regular what we used to call
1:28:49full-sized iPads not one of those with
1:28:52pencil support it is totally plausible
1:28:53and it would be awesome and I would
1:28:55probably buy one
1:28:56yeah and that honestly that's pretty
1:28:59plausible I i would i'm pretty sure I i
1:29:02wouldn't expect to see it in the mini
1:29:03but i would expect to see at least in
1:29:06the airline this that you know the next
1:29:08heir probably this fall or whatever I
1:29:10hope they do that i mean that's that's
1:29:11probably the main reason i'm not buying
1:29:14him and new ipad magazine ipad3 like
1:29:16it's really it's really checking these
1:29:18days it's slowing down with iOS 9 is
1:29:20making it slow down or just like I'm
1:29:21getting used to my iphone 6 too much i
1:29:23just can't i'm doing much more on my
1:29:25phone using it as a really really small
1:29:27iPad because I just can't stand going
1:29:29over tonight slope is I would've bought
1:29:31an ipad this year except i couldn't get
1:29:33out of my head that I don't want to buy
1:29:34one this year and the next year they
1:29:35have only the pencil because that would
1:29:37be cool so yeah I would like to see you
1:29:39next year
1:29:40alright Marco I would like to see
1:29:43general maturing of the ipad pro you
1:29:47know the word on this topic the ipad pro
1:29:50obviously it's very new it's like you
1:29:51know a month old something out so it's
1:29:54very new the the hardware seems really
1:29:58great the software seems like it needs
1:30:01still a lot of time to bake and that's
1:30:03both first party and third-party
1:30:04software my worry is that this fall
1:30:08before you have had pros even out we saw
1:30:11as you mentioned earlier case we saw the
1:30:12launch of of multitasking on the ipad
1:30:14and there are still so many incredibly
1:30:17useful ipad apps that have not been
1:30:20updated for multitasking and this is not
1:30:23just you know some fluke
1:30:25this is because it is not really worth
1:30:27developers put a lot of effort into most
1:30:29ipad apps and that is a press a big
1:30:31problem for the ipad so I i really hope
1:30:34that in 2016 we see enough worthwhile
1:30:39games on the ipad market wise to be
1:30:42worth developers updating the software
1:30:43because as any ipad pro owner can tell
1:30:46you it is really great when you're using
1:30:48apps that resize properly the ipad pro
1:30:50and support multitasking properly and
1:30:52it's really rough when you're not and
1:30:55you know that's it's bad enough on the
1:30:57on the no 1024 x 768 ipad the the air in
1:31:00the mini it's bad enough on those when
1:31:03you have someone doesn't support
1:31:03multitasking but it's way worse on your
1:31:06iPad pro when you have something that
1:31:08brings up that tremendous old keyboard
1:31:10for cooking because the app is being
1:31:12scaled up
1:31:14it's really rough that will hold the
1:31:16ipad pro back until it is resolved right
1:31:19now it doesn't appear as though that's
1:31:21going to be resolved easily you know
1:31:24because developers of many ipad apps are
1:31:27really not rushing to update them for
1:31:29these new capabilities because it has
1:31:32been it historically it has been so hard
1:31:34to justify putting more effort into ipad
1:31:37programming because this is the market
1:31:39has not rewarded it in a commensurate
1:31:41way for foremost app types i really hope
1:31:44to see that change and then to see a lot
1:31:47more ipad software get updated for
1:31:49modern devices because if that doesn't
1:31:50happen a year from now we're going to
1:31:53hear a lot of really disappointed ipad
1:31:55owners talking about it i don't have an
1:31:57ipad pro side nothing to contribute to
1:31:59this but it makes sense but you just
1:32:01said you know you do have an ipad now
1:32:03with most and support and it does suck
1:32:05when you when you want to multi-task
1:32:06with NASA doesn't support it so that
1:32:08this is all tied it
1:32:09yeah yeah that yeah you're absolutely
1:32:11right about that can we just lump in the
1:32:13lack of Instagram ipad app and they're
1:32:15just for the healthy think things that
1:32:17will annoy every ipad or yet it is
1:32:19always amazed me the iOS applications
1:32:22that don't think it's important to pick
1:32:25your thing to be updated for the I
1:32:27iphone 6 size to do anything sensible on
1:32:30the ipad to have an ipad app at all it's
1:32:34tough when you're not number one even
1:32:35just you know the number to iOS device
1:32:38platforms just that's a big drop off
1:32:40after the iphone yeah and then while i'm
1:32:43on a little the quick iOS topic your iOS
1:32:45device topic here the iphone 7 have a
1:32:49quick little bullet list bullet point
1:32:50here of
1:32:51you know iphone 7 that this year it's
1:32:53gonna be you know but if they follow the
1:32:55pattern which they will almost certainly
1:32:56follow it's gonna be a redesign year for
1:32:59the for the external casing of the
1:33:00iphone is here i'm not going to wish
1:33:02more battery life because that's not
1:33:04possible it is possible you could you
1:33:06could totally what yes it is a hundred
1:33:08implausible you could say you could say
1:33:10you want more battery life in terms of
1:33:11the number of minutes like wall clock
1:33:14time are you could just say i want more
1:33:15milliamp hours you know what i would
1:33:18actually get this is I would like more
1:33:20million powers and i know i know they
1:33:21won't do that because that would make it
1:33:22heavier and thicker they won't get Walt
1:33:24the way Apple gets battery life these
1:33:26days is a combination of power saving
1:33:28parts as technology advances and
1:33:31software improvements to kind of reduce
1:33:34the idol draw and to end to get that get
1:33:36to get more into idle time the the
1:33:39problem i have with with the modern
1:33:40battery life is we're talking about to
1:33:42death so I'm going to go very quickly
1:33:43now is that we have not seen significant
1:33:47advancement in the the battery life of
1:33:49things that are under load things that
1:33:51are like processors that are being used
1:33:53if you're playing no game or using GPS
1:33:57we're streaming music over the cell
1:33:58network through bluetooth or something
1:34:00where things are not going into
1:34:01low-power states or if your laptop your
1:34:04processing photos you're compiling
1:34:06you're doing you're doing hard work
1:34:07you're making the computer work hard
1:34:10we're not seeing big changes in the
1:34:12battery life under load we're seeing
1:34:15almost all the games have last four
1:34:16years have been by stretching out idle
1:34:18time but by making it by making idle
1:34:21time more efficient but am I making the
1:34:23CPUs and travel time more often so I
1:34:25want to see that that top and be raised
1:34:27also and i just think that's not going
1:34:29to happen I i think it's very obvious
1:34:31that Apple is is content to mostly not
1:34:34address that and to instead address the
1:34:36bottom end because the bottom and can be
1:34:38addressed without bigger thicker
1:34:40batteries so I I don't think it's going
1:34:43to happen but I would like my plausible
1:34:46thing my plausible wishlist item on the
1:34:47iphone 7 is 22 somehow address the
1:34:51handhold ability and make it make it
1:34:55more hand-holding bowl without a case
1:34:57because the iphone 6 the first my views
1:34:59of the case I before that every previous
1:35:01iphone I've used that case because I
1:35:04just like it
1:35:05I don't like having you as a case I like
1:35:06having an iphone that just feels good
1:35:08enough and secure enough in my hand that
1:35:09I don't feel the need for a case the six
1:35:12did not do that all the way too slippery
1:35:15and both shape and finish the 6s
1:35:17improved a little bit in that it is
1:35:19still slippery and shape but the finish
1:35:20was less slippery the surface itself i
1:35:23would like to see the seven design
1:35:24hopefully address the the ability to
1:35:27handhold it in a way to feel secure and
1:35:29that is secure it because the all the
1:35:32previous ones i thought were way more
1:35:34handle the six design i think was is
1:35:38pretty rough in that way i'm hoping the
1:35:40seventh we better just the handhold
1:35:42ability to rest of the rest i know is
1:35:44mostly not plausible but that that I
1:35:47want I think you don't you're not
1:35:48following my definition of plausible
1:35:50eyes and able to be done in the physical
1:35:52world without any magic without saying i
1:35:54wanted to be 5 gigahertz CPU but anyway
1:35:55for your capability you just need to
1:35:58fully 12 they just need to put moss on
1:36:00the outside of it but the testing that
1:36:02right now that the iphone foliage wall
1:36:05little just a little you know it's like
1:36:07a chia pet
1:36:07you just you order it going to use fuel
1:36:10cell technology to give out Marco is
1:36:12increased battery life that he does
1:36:13afraid to ask for and then it'll be like
1:36:16a chia pet because you followed up with
1:36:17liquid and that will run the fuel cell
1:36:18and the water vapor that comes out will
1:36:20will help the little hydroponic Moscow
1:36:24and will be really grippy that would be
1:36:26awesome and will be green
1:36:27yeah literally alright my next one hand
1:36:32on heart is written in my field notes
1:36:34earlier today is increased battery life
1:36:38is hard for her to do I say he has the
1:36:41the he has the guts to say it
1:36:43he it's alright it's possible you just
1:36:44put more battery that you just made me
1:36:45think it's straightforward totally
1:36:48doable could be done
1:36:50you could say Andy and it would make you
1:36:52happy if it was done and so there you go
1:36:54yeah and I mean maybe the answers just
1:36:56don't make the next iphone thinner
1:36:59because to my memory every single iphone
1:37:02redesign has been just that little bit
1:37:04thinner than last
1:37:05maybe you know what Apple you go really
1:37:07crazy and you just don't make it thinner
1:37:10this year and just a battery for making
1:37:13dinner but then have a lump on the back
1:37:15where the extra battery
1:37:16haha
1:37:18because then they could say look out
1:37:20much thinner it is we made it doesn't
1:37:22make it really thin and they just put it
1:37:23on the lump like I don't count the lump
1:37:25or not counting that in thickness
1:37:26no I mean like what this comes down to
1:37:28is that the thinnest is not the main
1:37:32problem here the main problem here is
1:37:33wait
1:37:34the thinnest is is the consequence of
1:37:36that like you're like they're not
1:37:38minimizing battery size to make it
1:37:41thinner they they want to make it
1:37:43thinner over all and they're they're
1:37:45trying to hit a weight goal and then the
1:37:48the size of the battery batteries like
1:37:50the heaviest thing in there so the size
1:37:51of the battery is is what lets them you
1:37:54know if they can keep the battery small
1:37:56that keeps the weight down and then they
1:37:59can make the enclosure really small and
1:38:01thin around it so it's this is really
1:38:04about wait one more than thickness by
1:38:06itself you know I think this is a
1:38:09secondary consequences of reducing
1:38:11weight so what we're really asking for
1:38:13if we want bigger batteries were asking
1:38:16for us make the phones heavier and i'm
1:38:18at that's why I'm not sure they would do
1:38:19it then the iphone sexy and heavier than
1:38:225s I believe it did I thought that was
1:38:25the 6s two verses 6 because of the 3d
1:38:29touch stuff yeah I just mean like one
1:38:31that when the phone got bigger than
1:38:32enough the foreign screen you know well
1:38:34but that's explainable even to a regular
1:38:37consumer because I look it's bigger than
1:38:39us there's more stuff I know but just
1:38:40like is it's not it's not on it's not
1:38:43unprecedented to to go heavier anyway
1:38:45the amount the amount of extra weight
1:38:46added by the batteries is nobody yet is
1:38:49reversing a trend like they're making a
1:38:50thinner because they want to be lighter
1:38:51than to be lighter than you know that's
1:38:53the direction are going but I still
1:38:55think for a list of possible things that
1:38:57could go enlist that was my last one so
1:39:00I'm tapped out from here and I got two
1:39:03related ones one since we're talking
1:39:05about iphone things I don't even know if
1:39:08it's something that I really care about
1:39:09that much i guess it gets more into
1:39:11production I guess I kinda do care about
1:39:12it i'm always screens and phones as
1:39:14rumours about that and 44 power
1:39:18efficiency reasons and maybe because it
1:39:20will encourage more user interfaces that
1:39:22are all white and maybe because they can
1:39:25make it thinner and lighter i don't know
1:39:27all the the advance
1:39:28just a little bit but I feel like LCD on
1:39:31phones as as a power draw a source and
1:39:34just that you know that technology
1:39:36especially as they incorporate more
1:39:38things in there like maybe they will if
1:39:39they ever let you use the pencil with
1:39:41the phone or something i really like to
1:39:43see Apple take the next sleep with their
1:39:45iOS devices and start transitioning to
1:39:47oled everywhere because that seems to be
1:39:49the way things are going in my related
1:39:53item actually getting awful apple stuff
1:39:55for a change is I want to see more non
1:39:58curved OLED televisions they
1:40:00concentrated picture quality
1:40:02this year has been the year that old TVs
1:40:04become a thing that you can buy for a
1:40:07reasonable price they're the new picture
1:40:09quality King a whole bunch of them are
1:40:11curved but it's really early to be
1:40:14buying like this is not the year to buy
1:40:17an oled TV unless you just want to buy
1:40:18it like i said people ask for advice
1:40:20buy it with the idea that you're gonna
1:40:21sell it because it's like the people who
1:40:23bought the plasma is like the first or
1:40:24second year they were out that's fine
1:40:26you get to enjoy a fancy new TV but
1:40:29assume you're going to sell it in the
1:40:30year or two because the year or two or
1:40:31three the ones that come out are going
1:40:33to be so much better than yours for so
1:40:34much less money that you just you can
1:40:36have to you know be resigned to sell and
1:40:40trade up to a nicer model but I feel
1:40:43next year is the year when Woods
1:40:45hopefully they get rid of this stupid
1:40:47curve thing because I don't know who is
1:40:49buying these things with herv's who
1:40:50wants some occurs I don't there's no
1:40:52advantage to its dumb it needs to just
1:40:55go away
1:40:56yeah flat oled tvs that concentrate
1:40:59concentrate on picture quality because a
1:41:01lot a lot of the old legs now letís in
1:41:05general usually don't concentrate a
1:41:06picture quality control and smart TV
1:41:07type features or you know some other gee
1:41:11whiz thing or they just want to say this
1:41:12is the cheapest 4k TV you can get this
1:41:14particular size I want the ones that
1:41:16actually concentrate on picture quality
1:41:19not that I would particularly by one but
1:41:20I I just you know I hate looking year
1:41:24after year at TVs that are available and
1:41:26realizing i don't want any of these tvs
1:41:28and just praying that my poor partially
1:41:31burned in plasma just keeps working
1:41:32until I can until someone makes TV that
1:41:35i can replace it with ultimately you can
1:41:37just wish that that burned spot
1:41:39eventually wears out during one st
1:41:41well I mean I'm still pretty well like
1:41:43the cartoon network logo the other day
1:41:44and it's it has paid substantially the
1:41:46Destiny Hut is still kind of family
1:41:48visible but yeah that the television
1:41:51logos this channel logos are honestly
1:41:52worse than destiny now there's not much
1:41:54you can do about that the channel logo
1:41:55screen except for tell these television
1:41:58stations because guess what
1:41:59oh it burns into so please television
1:42:02stations make your logos transparent or
1:42:03maybe don't show them on the screen the
1:42:05entire show I get it I understand what
1:42:07network i'm watching put it on like 43
1:42:09seconds and then you come out of
1:42:10commercial break or or not at all
1:42:12that should be a feature like your back
1:42:14to luxury TV network we never put us
1:42:16through the local on your screen that
1:42:18the real luxury past extra money and we
1:42:20never shown add that is a luxury that's
1:42:22what people like HBO
1:42:23hey what let's watch HBO show it just
1:42:25plays there's no commercials in it and
1:42:27there's no breaks or commercial just
1:42:28play straight through that is that is a
1:42:31desirable experience who doesn't like
1:42:34that of course you also would like to
1:42:35get your television for free to
1:42:36understand advertisers have to work but
1:42:38for four stations that you know the idea
1:42:41of its quality of life issue four
1:42:43stations that are that have ads on the
1:42:45different plan on regular TV they could
1:42:47advertise the fact that we never cover
1:42:49the screen with like a promo for an
1:42:50upcoming show
1:42:52I guess they have to put the rating
1:42:53thing in there you know the TV lsv and
1:42:56you know whatever i guess i watch shows
1:42:58with too many letters in them
1:42:59yeah they're all HBO shows but everybody
1:43:02you know they have to put a little of
1:43:04the little logo up on the screen and let
1:43:06you guys know this because I don't know
1:43:08I turns anyway they put that in the four
1:43:10by three you know that the frame the
1:43:13four by three frames like they don't put
1:43:14in the corner of the sixteen by nine
1:43:15screen they put it so will be visible if
1:43:19you're watching 16 by 9 content with
1:43:21this sides cut off so it's 4 by 3
1:43:24I don't think I was going to my own
1:43:25pictures on my phone and then had a good
1:43:27picture of what i was watching a sense
1:43:28of Anarchy back when it was on back when
1:43:30I was actually kind of not terrible
1:43:32where the logo that the TV MA LSB
1:43:37whatever logo was dead center over an
1:43:40actor's face like it is their head was
1:43:43enjoying their head was a gigantic
1:43:44square like seriously like you can't
1:43:47even and like you move that out of the
1:43:48way it's like when you re watch it later
1:43:50that will be gone
1:43:51that's it that's your missing you know
1:43:53part of the
1:43:53so because of that in the same thing
1:43:55when they the promos for the upcoming
1:43:56shows go up anyway
1:43:58yeah I guess that's another bullet item
1:44:00television stations it is within your
1:44:02power both technically and policy wise
1:44:04to stop doing that stop please stop
1:44:07doing that I i'll pay you extra money to
1:44:09not put your logo on the screen and do
1:44:10not interrupt my program with other
1:44:12things dancing across the bottom of my
1:44:14screen
1:44:14alright Marco I mean my I think my my
1:44:18overall wrap up here for my topic list
1:44:21but the lesson I have on here really is
1:44:23for Apple to just show more focus you
1:44:28know focus it has been i think the
1:44:30attribute that I've been missing the
1:44:31most in Apple's recent launches because
1:44:34they're just getting so much more broad
1:44:36that they're there are dressing so many
1:44:38more kinds of products the larger
1:44:40picture than ever the services list is
1:44:41bigger than ever I i had it it does seem
1:44:45like their focus is not where it used to
1:44:46be and so I would like to just see more
1:44:49focus and maybe that means ending some
1:44:51product lines or ending some initiatives
1:44:53that haven't worked out like you know
1:44:55all the various like kits on iOS i think
1:44:58a lot of those have not quite worked out
1:45:00just like you just they've started so
1:45:02much a lot of it has has fallen flat
1:45:05maybe they should end of things and
1:45:07actually increase their focus so we'll
1:45:08see what happens there i'm not really
1:45:10hold my breath on that one
1:45:12you may be saved because the car is not
1:45:14going to come out 2016 so you can
1:45:15pretend right focus then all of a sudden
1:45:17in 2018-19 guess what we make car like a
1:45:20apple what happened to the focus
1:45:22yeah and you buy one of the cars 2
1:45:26that'll be fun
1:45:26probably super fun but what do I want
1:45:29that
1:45:30what do I want a one-point of Apple car
1:45:32and whether you want one or not doesn't
1:45:34it may appear here is the test at least
1:45:37we'll be up by then you'll be looking
1:45:38around you'll be restless
1:45:39no see it's gonna happen already
1:45:41replacing your tehsil hasn't arrived yet
1:45:44I goodness right
1:45:47I told John done so Johnny anything else
1:45:49for any closing thoughts now the only
1:45:52other item I had on my list was like a
1:45:54vague one that I couldn't nail down was
1:45:56you know they're there are so many
1:45:59remaining bugs so many sort of obvious
1:46:01bugs that not obvious and how to fix
1:46:04them but obvious that something is not
1:46:06working great
1:46:07and you always just hope that some kids
1:46:10job somewhere to fix those and it's kind
1:46:14of I don't know if this one counts as
1:46:16this is the vague and probably not
1:46:18really plausible because I don't know if
1:46:20Apple makes I don't know how much extra
1:46:22value Apple ads by fixing the staff of
1:46:24bugs but we all encounter them from time
1:46:27to time and just just makes me wish like
1:46:29the only time i can feel like this wish
1:46:32is not a fantastical are wishing for a
1:46:35pony is when like I know the developer
1:46:38who makes the application it's like one
1:46:41person who makes an application and I
1:46:44know that if I report this bug this one
1:46:46person will see that bug report and
1:46:50realize that they are embarrassed that
1:46:53this bug happens and they don't want
1:46:54their application to have this bug and
1:46:56they'll fix it and then within a month
1:46:58or two it will be fixed but that just
1:47:02doesn't happen with things that are made
1:47:04by apple if you find some small bug like
1:47:07that was just kind of embarrassing i
1:47:08like text overruns the bounding box that
1:47:11is supposed to be in or clicking on this
1:47:13thing doesn't work until the second time
1:47:15you click it because of some event you
1:47:16know responder chain business or
1:47:18whatever an individual developer who you
1:47:21know will want to fix that because it
1:47:24doesn't seem like a big deal on their
1:47:25embarrassed that they have an
1:47:26application that you have to click the
1:47:27checkbox twice to make it you know what
1:47:28I mean like it's not a crasher not a
1:47:31data loss bug but they'll fix it kind of
1:47:34just individual pride and craftsmanship
1:47:37or whatever and it depresses me that the
1:47:40larger the organization gets the less
1:47:42hope you have to those type of bugs will
1:47:44ever get addressed unless you just
1:47:45happen to catch somebody on a good day
1:47:47when they don't have anything else to do
1:47:48you know when they're not working on
1:47:50their p1's or whatever they just
1:47:52happened to go and fix that because
1:47:53fixing that could cause some other
1:47:54problem that could cascade into a thing
1:47:56that costs are multi-billion dollar
1:47:57company lots of money and reduces their
1:48:00customer set an individual developer
1:48:02just fix it in their app and I kinda
1:48:05like that and I kind of Miss that from
1:48:06for Apple but that's that's getting into
1:48:10that's that's why it's not on my list of
1:48:12a corner anyway but some of my list i
1:48:14have a bunch of simple concrete things
1:48:16that could totally happen
1:48:18would make me happy and by the way i
1:48:20think most of them if I had to predict
1:48:22will these things happen
1:48:24it's a pretty good shot for a lot of
1:48:25them so I think 2016 will be a good year
1:48:28for me hold out hope for the filesystem
1:48:30well maybe maybe not that front i keep
1:48:33saying 2017 not that good
1:48:35yeah goodness all right we good are we
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1:49:31Syracuse
1:49:44we did it
1:49:47it clearly you need to give much more
1:49:48specific instructions for Marco and I i
1:49:50thought i was so specific
1:49:52I like it was concise and specific
1:49:55instructions and just that I don't know
1:49:57maybe I should have given more examples
1:49:59maybe we should give more examples of
1:50:00what not to do
1:50:01I don't know it's just forget to wish
1:50:02for my my theoretical 17 inch 4k macbook
1:50:07pro that with skylight might be around
1:50:09five pounds right 17 inch 4k macbook pro
1:50:14mmm thinking about it makes a lot of
1:50:17sense think you'd be better off wishing
1:50:20for a 17 inch iPad pro with a keyboard
1:50:23that is more firmly attached and that'll
1:50:27be as fast as year as the sky like a
1:50:29macbook pro in like three or four years
1:50:31mmm yeah no I mean it thats a dude
1:50:34that's why it's a longshot stretch i'm
1:50:36not even sure i would buy one
1:50:37yeah would you use the 17 inch laptop
1:50:39dunno well bigger than you are haha he's
1:50:43like when you know I I'm not carrying my
1:50:45life everyday I i bring it on trips when
1:50:48I have to get worked on and whenever i
1:50:50do that i am always starving for more
1:50:52screen space just screen share to your
1:50:55imac home
1:50:56well and it's all in your mind man
1:51:02yeah i mean like we have giant space is
1:51:04just like your opinion man i'm just
1:51:08doing a 5k imac you're using a bigger
1:51:11screen it's not a smaller screen but
1:51:14it's bigger
1:51:15there's so many pixels you won't notice
1:51:17the difference
1:51:18I mean like it you we have everyone's
1:51:21like you always do this everything
1:51:22because this giant heavy aircraft
1:51:23carrier and yes the last time we saw
1:51:25what it was but now like that the
1:51:2817-nation i think last time we start
1:51:30with something like six pounds right
1:51:32something like that but like in at the
1:51:34same time the 15-inch was like five or
1:51:37five and a half while the 17-inch was
1:51:39like six and a half so you know you can
1:51:41see that the ratio there you know it's
1:51:43not that much more than efficient well
1:51:45now since then the 15-inch has gotten
1:51:48way smaller and lighter with the red
1:51:50transition with the Scylla tradition
1:51:52it's probably gonna be even more so
1:51:54so i'm guessing it would be possible
1:51:56with Sky lake
1:51:57make a 72-inch that had a reasonable
1:51:59battery life that is roughly five and a
1:52:02half pounds and maybe even five pounds
1:52:05depending on you know how can they can
1:52:06they can go with the battery without
1:52:08having to be too small so that is
1:52:11different like it puts a different spin
1:52:14on things i mean like with the sky like
1:52:15thing I bet we're going to see a lot
1:52:18more people saying you know what now
1:52:20that it's so much thinner and lighter i
1:52:22might go 15-inch next time we're would
1:52:24have gone 30 days before you go I think
1:52:26we'll start seeing people justify going
1:52:28bigger in the same way like look all the
1:52:31ipad people just discovered you know
1:52:33what after all having a much bigger one
1:52:36is more productive
1:52:37look at that like the same thing applies
1:52:39with computers laptops like as they're
1:52:42going to get thinner and lighter we're
1:52:43going to see a lot more people say you
1:52:45know what i was gonna go air but now
1:52:46I'll go 13 inch pro I was into a 13 inch
1:52:49pro now I'm gonna go 15-inch brokers and
1:52:51I i fell in the store it was so much
1:52:52lighter than I expected and wow all this
1:52:55extra screen space is really nice i can
1:52:57get a lot more stuff done
1:52:59like obviously this is not news people
1:53:01use computers where it seems like that's
1:53:02news to ipad people but you know that
1:53:04might happen at the mac line where if
1:53:06they have a bigger one
1:53:07you know what that actually is pretty
1:53:09nice so I don't know again it's just a
1:53:13stretch and i'm not even sure i would
1:53:14buy one but that would be really cool i
1:53:16think it's an opportunity for them to
1:53:19make up for the sins of the past and
1:53:20actually put a different keyboard on it
1:53:22than the one that's on the macbook one
1:53:23right well and that's a big deal until
1:53:25like I didn't mention the keyboard like
1:53:27I would expect all the new skylight
1:53:29macbook pros if they're going to be
1:53:31redesigned it all looks and sounds like
1:53:32they probably will be i would expect
1:53:34them to get not the macbook one keyboard
1:53:36but the keyboard that's that's in the
1:53:38new standalone apple keyboard the magic
1:53:40is a comment keyboard is that the new
1:53:42standalone keyboard i'm guessing it get
1:53:43that one which is it not nearly as bad
1:53:47as the map on keyboard it's you know it
1:53:50is in that style but it is done i think
1:53:53way better
1:53:54I don't mean like a travel I mean as in
1:53:57morkie specific the 17-inch you have so
1:53:59much more room to put keys so put
1:54:01full-size our keys and put in all the
1:54:03home and keys and page up and page down
1:54:05instead of taking these remember one of
1:54:08my early
1:54:08reviewed like being at one of the non
1:54:10unibody aluminum powerbook g4 is for
1:54:13arstechnica and like that that is
1:54:16seriously screenshot showing the same
1:54:17keyboard on the 12-inch the 15-inch
1:54:20SMU's literally the same keyboard and
1:54:23you know on a 12-inch goes edge-to-edge
1:54:24and on the 17 inch its vast sea of
1:54:27aluminum with this tiny little keyboard
1:54:29floating at it's like bring you have so
1:54:30much more room
1:54:31add more keys please I don't know I i
1:54:34assume they wouldn't which would be sad
1:54:36that like you just this giant beginning
1:54:38of this be the look you know as soon as
1:54:40you make it
1:54:41the aluminum area has to be the same as
1:54:42the size of the screen like you're not
1:54:44gonna make the bottom smaller than the
1:54:45top and so you have you have this huge
1:54:48area with which to put keys and you just
1:54:50decide this tiny little island in the
1:54:51middle of the size of the macbook one
1:54:53the only area we're going to have keys