The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► plug in the current crop of lightning [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► maybe maybe not [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► of the phone is so much [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► well played [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► turns out USBC already supports analog [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► and that pretty much dooms [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► one because I think it would be useful [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► there's so much but even like cameras you know so many cameras have wifi [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► stupid I thought I think like the sdcard with wi-fi built-in [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► forever and it looks like the next this one the new model is finally the good [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► one and it never is for a bit for the cameras for the cameras that have built [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► in WiFi support like that's what you want you want that and you also want to [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► work but you want until you try it [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► yeah I know but like what's the problem wifi itself technologically speaking is [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► an OK technology like you know we all use wireless devices are in our house [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► and they moralist maintain a connection and we get reasonable speeds based on [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► what we think the signal strength when we have a super expensive camera 30 [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► inches away from a super expensive iPad dealing with the best way we have to [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► talk to them is to open up the camera in a little water proof or water resistant [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► compartment put this tiny little card played with little thing into the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► Lightning poor childless just you're right there guys you both have radios [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► you both like what's what's the problem here is it because camera manufacturers [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► don't know what to do [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► wifi stacks I don't know what the deal is but it said well they all have their [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► own apps basically it's like like my camera's built-in wifi finally took me [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► years to finally get one that had that and but in order to use it I have to [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► install Sony is dumb Apple iPhone which works about a third of the time and when [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► you do finally get to work you can I regret that you got to work till it's [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► over and so slow and it is actually actually been faster to just take the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► car out of the camera and shoved into this thing is to be the wifi thing feels [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► barbaric though taking it does hard and putting them together i think im using a [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► VCR but it's it's faster I fully agree my Olympus it isn't that the app is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► relatively reliable but it is astonishingly slow to transfer pictures [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► between the camera and the and the phone or the iPad and it's very very [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► frustrating now that the app is nice and that for general things like it'll let [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► me geotag based on what the phone is doing so it'll take a lot of all the [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► places I go when all the time stamp someone not mentally ill send those to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► the phone and then geotag all the pictures on the phone [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► tease me send us the camera and algae attack on the pictures on the camera [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► which I really like on the occasions were not just staying put somewhere and [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► it also lets you do you like a remote viewfinder sort of things so much like [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► you can with the watch in the phone it'll let you take pictures remotely [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► which is really nice if you're too socially awkward to say to somebody hey [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► can you take our picture but I cannot say enough how awfully slow days to [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► transfer pictures and because of that I agree with you mark I just end up taking [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the damn card out of the out of the Cameron putting it in a computer right [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and we have some good news this week our long national nightmare is over and we [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► now have an Apple Remote app for iOS that works with the new Apple TV which [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► would be more exciting to me if I had a new Apple TV [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► well we don't have a my understanding haven't tested this from my [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► understanding is not as if they released a new version they're not up the works [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that will TV it's the opposite the recently released a new version of the [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► Apple TV iOS that makes the existing remote app work with it is that correct [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► based on your understanding or experimentation oh I didn't try it I [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► thought that was correct i mean i think they did eventually release a new iPhone [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► app as well but I think before they even released in over a month now but I read [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► was that if you just updated the TV OS you're not at work with it even before [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► they release the eventual remote app update yeah that was the idea for all of [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► us for the setup stuff and this still promises of like the real remote app you [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► know let you swipe around on your phone like the touchpad using accelerometers [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► and just basically be a replay a full-fledged replacement for the new [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► Apple TV remote rather than just please for the love of God give us an on-screen [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► keyboard to type on with their fingers instead of having to sway back and forth [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► on a number line or the latter liner at work on that thing so interesting leave [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► for whatever it's worth [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► we recently bought a ps4 meaning yesterday so I got a chance to try you [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► know what is what is the current well recent ish effort at a regular on-screen [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► keyboard by using social dumping before I read that you can just plug in USB [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► keyboard but happy the president but for the first time the president using their [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► their little built in thing and just using the built-in keyboard with their [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► controller and the D pad and a couple of buttons on the shoulder buttons to do [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► like you know [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► done in my god it's so much better like I was able to enter text so much faster [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► in this regular on-screen keyboard using a regular dpad that I've never used [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► before then I was then I still am today on the new Apple TV that I've been using [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► now for like a month or something I'll give you a pro temp do not use the dpad [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► suffered through like a barbarian using a deep at the keyboard you get one [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► finger or thumb on the touchpad on the ps4 controller and one for your thumb on [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► the X button to select away when a faster oh my god it's so much faster [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► is a is a big river tangle the middle yeah that's the big hit the big thing in [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the middle of control no doubt you'll find out any games that it is as well [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► but anyway now I won't if it is it is so much easier because I like it's not a [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► great track pad at like the one on Casey's down like you know it's a crappy [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► one but it's so much better than going downtown right up up down down he's you [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► could basically just messing around with top tap tap [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► just feel so much more freeing being constrained by the grid-like unit run [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► game trying to put light cycles to get around to honestly I mean I think what [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► made it so much faster for me it rather than the way the the Apple TV one of [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► them beside the fact that it had more than one row Apple but I think so much [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► faster is that you can kind of like when you have this digital input method of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► the deep at you you can just know it go over for up to you to do it it's so [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► precise that I was able to flip through things really quickly on that and we [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► were actually I made I think I made one mistake in the entire setup process on [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► Apple TV icon to hit the wrong letter constantly yeah good thing is that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► they're sort of you know Smart Auto suggestion stuff like the you know the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► stuff from Android that Apple copied in iOS like the job of the keyboard a [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► series of words appears when I'm sending messages to people related to destiny [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► like i guess i basically the first letter word and it knows what we're [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► trying to write [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► just selected from the group reads like the things on to the next verse letter [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and it's like you like to send out a message as it is I should just look at [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► the keyboard because it's so painful to try to do with the pad but the auto [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► correction then you don't say a lot through the interface to send orange [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► juice a row is the first suggestion so it's it's it's pretty good but you [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► definitely do check out the touchpad is a little bit awkward to hold it till [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► like weeks I have my thumb on the touchpad and my other ex pundits like [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► the key is the kind of weird how to add the shelters but it's really great and [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► then you have a correction I believe John from last upset yeah I made an [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► offhand remark about the swift and foundation again getting the NSP fix how [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► you know currently you can a lot of the API's you can use strings and a strings [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► and they will convert between each other and I referred to that is like a free [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► bridging thing or toll-free bridging or is your across bridge and whatever is [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► not zero cost with System foundation bridging is not toll free I was thinking [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► of you told her bridging between core foundation foundation to me for that [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► anyway just to clear that up [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► response this week by Backblaze gonna pack plays dot com slash ATP for [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► unlimited online backup for just five bucks a month back please look I love [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► them I used them this is online backup you need an online backup it is such a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► great insurance policy against all sorts of possible problems that could happen [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► losses fires floods left computer problems corruption just human error [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► there's all sorts of problems that can affect you that you need back ups and if [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► you're gonna have backups you should have more than one back you know my my [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► preferred solution here is to have one or two local backups time machine is a [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► great example time machine is very useful so things like super duper clones [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► but there's always a need for something off site something that is automatically [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► sending your files somewhere else somewhere secure and that is what back [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► plz offers I have tried many other cloud backup providers I've always come back [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► to back losses being the best I have seen by a long shot [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► they have over a hundred and fifty petabytes of customer data backed up the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► restored over ten billion files in our customers [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and you can access your data anywhere so I actually recently did this because [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► online back at them online copy of all your files you can do things like [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► retrieve a file when you're on vacation if you need a file to go to a file it [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► only on your computer at home you can use back to get there to get it wherever [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► you are by using their mobile app for iOS or Android it is a fantastic service [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► I use it my wife uses my mom used that so many people use back please it is [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► found has a highly recommended [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► all this you get online backup with all these features all the security all the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► peace of mind Online Backup can provide for just five bucks a month for computer [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► and that no matter how many thousands of this is truly unlimited five bucks a [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► month I have I think three terabytes from my computer my wife has something [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► like five terabyte Reuters it is incredible all this unlimited storage [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► any directly connected drivers including your back up for just five bucks a month [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► and it's unpopular upload speeds will take your files as fast as you let them [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► take them it is great love that please go to backpage.com / ATP for the best [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► online backup I've ever used its alright so apple released a thing this week and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► everyone's upset about it I kind of AM this kind of AM see you guys they've [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► released the iPhone 6 s smart battery case Panamera unfair to the pan-american [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► the Panamera has a fairly continue with the back of the car to its it's big and [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it's awkward the shape than profile but it's not as if this is a closer to the [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► bangle trunk on the seven Series remember that one [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that's fair that's where this looks like they just shipped and engineering [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► prototype yet come it does they were assigned hey can you make this like this [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► weekend just make something that works and somebody got the wrong memo and [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► shipped it as a real product so it's described this for people with the show [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► our disconnect in time imagine and I thought success with Apple silicone case [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► on it with 20% battery life [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► 3 o'clock in the afternoon give it a chin so so take the the battery case an [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► extended downwards little bit and so like that it's got an extra training and [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► I don't worry about why for now and then on the back of the phone take like I [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► don't know maybe seven made no maybe 15 playing cards from the deck of cards put [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► it in there and then slather it with so there's a lump on the back of this bone [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► shaped like a rectangle a rounded rectangle that is smaller than the back [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► of the phone it is both narrower than the phone and significantly shorter than [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► the phone so there are edges of what looked like just a plain old iPhone [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► success in a silicon case with the chin poking out all around us and it looks [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► very strange because most other battery is mostly third-party better cases that [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► i've seen [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► trying to put like a sort of smooth hump on the back of thing he did they try to [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► just make it to be really thin and make it look like is that actually better [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► case or is that just like a really thick case you can't even tell where you can [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► totally tell us like a bar of soap but it's essentially a smooth curve over the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► entire backs ever this phone top to bottom left to right edge and this is [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► the first better case I can see that does not do that does not try to make a [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► big curve over the back and also doesn't try to be so that it looks like it's out [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► of battery case it looks like there is there is a rectangular thing hiding [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► inside the back of your iPhone case [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► yeah it's been so so when USA it's bad what you're saying is it's ugly but [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you're basically getting it well yeah I mean Yes it somebody told you had a time [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► that hey apples to make a battery case what you would imagine in your head [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► would be very different than this you know because like we expect Apple stuff [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► to be [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► minimum decent looking oftentimes at the expense of functionality these days with [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► unfortunate but obviously expect the nurse you expect you know kind of smooth [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► lines nice curves in a minimal design aesthetic and and this this is none of [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► those things it's like he doesn't look anything like Apple designed it if you [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► would have seen this in a weird store window on the streets of Manhattan you [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► have assumed was a knock off like it if they were [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► it does not look like an Apple product and in in the role of battery cases [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► there is no option in a battery case that doesn't look like crap in some way [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► they all my crap in some way what about the really thin ones the ones that are [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► like it did you can tell they're better get back to it just looks like I might [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► just be a regular case I think those look pretty good but one exception and [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► I'll get to in the second my type but I think it yesterday this thing but but I [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► think it's you can't say they're all like a lot of them to make the font [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► bigger but the really thin ones that just gave you like a little bit more [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► battery look pretty good yeah I would agree with that brand by the way those [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► usually give more better than this but anyway there are some that look ok [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► Amazon pages like there there's an anchor ultra-slim that I can if you look [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► in the wall street journal review the schedule an externship there's a picture [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► of three and they were they were the Apple on there is one from Anchor if [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► there was a movie or there are some other in the middle and he would think [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that in in their review of the Apple battery case in a comparison photo next [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► to these like way cheaper way higher capacity cases from these brands that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► are not known for great design especially like anchors are known for [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► being rude utilitarian and being good value but you're not exactly for like [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► stunningly good design you would you would assume that the Apple option in [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► that photo should obviously be the best looking one and you probably assume that [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► it would be the most expensive and you'd be right you probably wouldn't have the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► best capacity and you'd be right but to see it not even be the best looking one [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► while also being the most expensive and having the worst capacity i think is is [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► disappointing to say the least and it that's not to say that you can't get [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► that isn't to say that [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► that they could have done a massively better job as a battery case with their [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► goals in mind and then that's when we'll talk about their goals in a minute but [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► we've got a little more information since been released but it sure does [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► seem like they know they were given a hard problem but it seems like a very [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► disappointing output the heart problem and all of this is underscored by by my [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► basal frustration of this shouldn't even be necessary for most people like the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► capacity that it has its I think it's roughly 1,800 million powers by most of [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the reviews can charge the phone about 80% of the way maybe so it's not as the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► full additional charge but it's like you can you can bring the phone down most of [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► the way and you can charge it back up most of the way back up honestly when I [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► need an extra battery I don't usually need more than that like that is a good [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► amount for me but people who buy battery cases today that's like the smallest you [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► can get and there's a lot of much bigger options are you can get like two to four [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► times the battery capacity in an hour battery cases so dependent are using the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► phone if you doing like GPS all day as part of your job then I could see you [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► need a lot more but honestly I like my use I complain a lot about the iPhone [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► having not quite enough battery life and being too thin and and then suddenly [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► prioritizing fitness and lightness over [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► batteries but the difference between what the six and the success has have as [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the difference between what they have and what I need is not that big I would [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► be very very happy if they took the battery of the success and just like 25 [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► or 30 percent bigger at most 50% bigger you know that's that's all it needs it [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► doesn't need to be three times as large you know it needs almost winter has just [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► had like 25 to 50 percent more that's what that's what it really needs for me [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and I from from people i've seen in real life people I've talked to it seems like [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► that would cover way more people's needs then like you know getting anything [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► giant or status quo now obviously Apple has way more data than I do [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► although honestly I i I question the metrics they collected how [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► how well that covers the real world usage but anyway that's that's a [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► discussion I'm just very sad that Apple's response to the success having [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► clearly having porno of battery life for enough people that this was necessary to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► make and release that they they they take that indicator and they say well [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► the right answer here is that that case is the right answer to the problem [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► rather than if you just put in a battery that's like 25% bigger to begin with [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► then the additional mass and complexity and efficiency of using that extra [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► battery power is a tiny fraction of the bulk and the mass and the complexity of [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► this case because you don't have an extra casing around it you don't have [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► extra framing for rigidity in the middle section you don't have that whatever the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► heck that passive antenna thing is they're talking I'm no idea that is you [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► don't have that you don't have the charging circuitry the discharging [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► circuitry like the reporting back to the phone if you're better living in two [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► different battery bars in Notification Center worried about its so much simpler [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► if you just make the battery 25% bigger on the phone and you cover so much more [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► with that kind of approach and I i no they don't do that because they want to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► be thinner and lighter and they think they're making her decision and maybe [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► they are but it's frustrating to be on my side of it when you think they're not [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► and this is their solution that I completely agree you know I was thinking [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► about it and you remember that sort of cheesy but also sort of entertaining [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► video they showed before WDC 2013 with like the dancing blobs of ink and it was [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► a thousand knows video [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► well I went and found a copy on YouTube which linked to the show notes that [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► video starts as follows [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► if everyone is busy making everything how can anyone perfect anything I think [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► that's a powerful it is a mouthful but I mean we've been talking a lot about how [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► spread thin we assume Apple to be these days now I think what generally [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► referring to software when we're talking about that but there's a lot more [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► there's a there's a lot more products and apples portfolio today than there [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► were in 2013 and and I feel like this is just an example of somebody just phoning [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► it in and and maybe I'm missing the boat but she's this thing looks just ugly [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► it's just it just it's not smooth I mean it's smooth but it's not it's all based [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► in its just a little huh i mean obviously if I were to get a battery [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► case I would consider this one simply because I like the feel of Apple's first [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► party cases especially the Silicon Valley there feel over the buttons [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► asleep waking the volume button everything they do feel good over the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► buttons and they do fit well and all the other ones look pretty good this one not [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► so much but I appreciate the value of Apple's cases most of the time but for [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► me honestly if you know especially me look at costs like the first battery [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► cases like oh yeah this'll make sense you know use it every other day and [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► it'll be great and as soon as the next iPhone comes out and it's a different [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► size and you can't use it anymore like why do i buy that $100 battery case that [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► now is worthless to me and after that you typically just by like the little [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► USB blocks or bricks or no other other ways to boost your head because you [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► realize that was kind of you know not a great use of my money so now I I've [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► moved on to the battery bricks and then little rectangles and stuff and have [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► better burn them to 25 bucks and they have more power than the Apple thing I [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► think twice as much in your pocket anyway I don't know why I guess I feel [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► like these things are just admitting failure and I also feel you look at them [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► cynically it's very easy to look at this and say you know I think they just made [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► this to get $100 more out of people and they buy phones that were previously [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► going to third-party makers [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► like mostly an anchor and everyone else like it seems like apple just wants to [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► capture more of the iPhone accessory revenue for themselves to John what do [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► you think of this I know you guys are too new to the Apple world I think to [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► get the obvious let's go back and find something that Apple said in the past [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► that makes them look forward to the present your clothes when you're gone [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► back to the you know but I make too many things but you have to go back far there [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► to the what i call the flower iMac not the flower power one but the one who's [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► on the cover of Time magazine that looks like a little hemisphere with like metal [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► arm poking out of it and the screen flooding in the Army as a member that [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► one oh yeah so at the introduction to that steve Jobs was like we want to make [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► a flat panel iMac because flat-panel cruel and they're the future and we're [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► trying to come up with design than enough this is in the keynoter [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► interviewer whatever the store is basically we thought about taking a flat [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► screen and shoving the guts of the iMac onto the back of it that just seemed [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► ridiculous because it was like this big lump and thing jammed onto the back of [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the screen it wasn't elegance a look at the solution we came up with this was I [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► think maybe the first let every Ellen be true to itself thing like the basis the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► base it hugs the ground at low to the ground at the semicircle like boom there [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► you are the base and the screen like that's because they're flat thin and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► light so that screen be true to itself be light and airy like floating in the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► area can reposition it sounds cool arm and arm told it was closed arm and it's [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► super then because I mean not by today's standards like if you look at the screen [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► and a MacBook Pro didn't even know it was a long time ago [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► lookout then it is and it doesn't have all the get strapped to the back of it [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► of course today you know when they eventually did like the iMac g5 and the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► big the white flat screen thing eventually did shut the interests of the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► iMac to the back of the screen when they got to the point where they thought I [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► think it should be entered in the back and not have it looked like a big you [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► know hunchback type thing right so here we are with the battery case and [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► impartial there's not really any place for the battery to go you can put it on [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► the front foot on the sides of the bottom so it's kinda got it on [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► back but when I first saw this might read about it was the the sort of [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► johnnie of Steve Jobs explanation for this still kinda fits they let each [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► element be true to itself right so the phone is one element and the batteries [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► the other and it's like let's not hide the fact that we're jamming a battery on [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► the back of a phone so the phone is this little thing and we're going to put the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► battery in the back of it and the bad here he is nothing but a separate things [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► around and trying to blend them together and make you think these are all one [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► piece we're going to eat it you can skip running problems hanging lantern on it [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► or in the Johnny I'm Steve Jobs problems let me tell me to be true to itself so [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► this lithium-ion battery pack on the back of this this phone is being true to [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► itself by hearing here in I'm a battery I'm sticking out here say hi to me and [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► you know like aesthetically speaking you can decide that looks ugly maybe because [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► it looks different things maybe he's just like I don't want you to declare [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► yourself to bed don't want you to be true to yourself battery I want you to [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► minimize yourself I don't wanna know you're there I want to pretend instead [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► that I have Marcos phone that he talked about is actually just an iPhone success [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► they had little more battery power and by calling attention to itself in this [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► way that some people like it's it's really rubbing it in then I have an [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► extra things shoved in the back of my phone number used to be nice and elegant [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► and now it's like you know below hunchback that's kinda gross but so I [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► could see are going to both sides that but I my opinion of the this case [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► started to fall two things one when I saw that it had a chance I thought [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► surely the company that can make this better chances Apple right because the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► channel the chin is really I find that substantially alters the field the phone [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► more than making it thicker once you start making it longer and wider and [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► like the chance the chains come with compromises as people found out if you [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► buy it beats headphone you cannot plug it into the chain of this thing without [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► an adapter because they little headphone jack is just too deep to go through the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► little adapter things it's not just beat John their other headphones I November [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► said I i'm playing on beach because like Apple makes those rights as the work is [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► not like a third party has essentially first party at phones also don't fit the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► earpods it right but not [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► you know large exxon they had to make a little time for the sound come out which [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► is i'm glad they did that and little you know the little holes and tunnels have [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► to make to get the stuff that's going to come out but there are things there are [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► third-party battery cases that don't have chains am I wrong in thinking that [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► I feel like I've seen them I was able to find one when I look for better cases a [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► few months ago and there was one me look it up its offensive yesterday like I [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► feel like not having a chance something happen to do but the real kicker to me [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► was all of that story I just gave you about the bed the backpack being true to [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► itself and have me extra capacity or whatever when I found out that Apple's [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► battery case actually has less battery capacity than the one that try to hide [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► the fact that has a battery that really killed the cat is like if you're going [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► to have a big backpack and be true to yourself and say here I am I'm the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► battery at least make that battery really high capacity right at least say [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► yeah it's a little bit chunkier looking at the batteries but boy it's a lot of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► capacity but it doesn't it has less capacity than those other ones it looks [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► like it should have more because it calls attention to itself it is [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► prominent and yet the actual battery in there is smaller and so then I feel like [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► you know the battery case that I would have liked another number in the market [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► or better yet but I would like to see the one that was just had massive [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► capacity was really high quality or the one that had no chin and made the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► battery so then you don't even know that it's there they gave you only a little [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► bit more maybe more than Marcos 25 maybe 30 percent maybe forty percent battery [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► and an apple commits super thin one that's like it you don't even know if [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the battery is looking like a little bit case but it gives you give your phone to [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► boost right both of those products I think would be nicer product as far as [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► I'm concerned no I don't think the existence of battery case means that [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► either Apple is admitting the success has been very life and I don't think the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► success has better battery life really depends on where you individually if it [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► doesn't have enough battery life the way you used then yes you need to have a [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► battery pack but I think that the battery life in the success is [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► reasonable but as we've discussed many many times I also think there is a place [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► in Apple's product line for a phone that is bigger it gets more battery life that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► is not the 60 S Plus because that's forcing you to say hey if you want [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► your life album makes a phone for you also it's the size of african tablet and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► I hope you like there's a place near line for to say and I thought the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► success is that place actually I'd like it if they come with a four-inch phone [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that one should be super thin and small and then the success should be a little [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► bit thicker to have more battery + should be the way it is or maybe add [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► something which i think is the place somewhere for thick bone that is not [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► gargantuan they don't make that phone money make me skinny things and if you [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► need more capacity from a deep in this case and I see tons of people of battery [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► cases in real life [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► also you know all sizes of iPhones 5s size for us the 626 s lots and lots of [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► battery cases because people know I can use my phone all day and I i cant use [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► about the better get to bed cases and she becomes part of the phone I also [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► know that both or making a case I don't think this spring themselves too thin [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► marco was like I just wanna get $104 of course they do why would they not like [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► they are they somehow morally obligated not to make an accessory which they [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► should make access and you know it's weird to have manufactured not me he [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► says he's like Honda not making broad your car so they want you to put a [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► broader convert their shares held gonna make him because you want a broad like [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► sounds like you want here you go it's bad example car bras but I'm going back [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► to your days but but yet Apple should totally sell every accessory why only [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► third parties to make an accessory that huge number of you by what's the status [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► on something like Apple according to Apple's own statistics or something like [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► seventy percent 70% of people put a case on on their iPhones of course Apple [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► should sell cases and if some of you want better of course they should make [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► the Apple should make three battery case like I have no objections in doing that [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► I think the absolution if only like to raise the game of the third party [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► manufacturers so well this is a little bit of a disappointing product there are [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► some explanations for a second but I think they should totally make a battery [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► case I I can come up with a plausible explanation for the Athletics in this [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► case even if you think it's like your opinion is your opinion right i mean we [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► also people with cases that we think are live with somebody loves them [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► and if anything I wish I could just make more battery cases so i think is a good [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► first run out of battery case and at the very least it's got us talking about it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► and it's interesting it is not boring given that were the case I was thinking [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of it I could remember before was the sole a memo right there is there a [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► couple then there's a there's a new version of the old version on Amazon for [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► like 50 bucks and the old version it doesn't matter has never seen that has [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► no chin and it basically has an internal lightning port that plugs in [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► up the bottom the phone and and like moves the real commander down slightly [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► and it uses its additional thickness of being about her case to give you a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► lightning port that's just like down lower than just below the real one [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► doesn't really give you that was I thought there was one of the claims of [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► this like it wasn't this from Ms Barbara think the first battery case to have a [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► fully featured lightning connector that's claimed I read somewhere about [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► the Apple adding the key words they're fully featured because you're both right [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► this does taking lightning connector but it doesn't put the battery status and [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► notification center and stuff like that only the first party case can do that a [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► fully-featured lightning connector that's a feature the grant applicants [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► they can do to change the OS but as the Lightning connector fully featured on [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► them anyway like the first version of this one had had a big problem that [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► according to reviews of blocking cell signals had a metal frame and everyone [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► said it bought your signal and this updated version now says its updated now [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► new design that absolutely will not interfere with your signal so I guess [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► you're doing it right and report back and see if that actually is true because [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► it's extremely thin relative to most better and it has no chin so that the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► the bulk of it is significantly reduced and if this is actually good and works [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► and doesn't block the cell signal meaningfully then I would say it's kind [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► of embarrassing for Apple but I I'm guessing was going to be some problem [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► with this there's like this there has to be some reason why no one else makes [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► cases like this is there any other color besides why I'm not trying to be funny [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► I'm really asked to do the black one [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► no but the black ones the old version available only comes in black and white [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► yeah that's also true but yeah we'll see we'll see if they actually I mean I'm [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► sure going to sell I also want to consider that that is even more cynical [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► than they just made it to get accessory money but why is that like you say that [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► like it's like they just made it like that they'd but what they make products [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► for like a man they want to make great products Baba but they just made it to [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► make money like how how can you say that is a bad thing about like I guess that's [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► true [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► like you know it's this 1 I'm trying to think it is a situation where you could [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► say this was just the money I get the money grab if they put out a product [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► that they put like minimal effort into just to get the money based on their [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► name and I don't think that's that's because you know you may think it's ugly [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► and may disagree with the compromises they may but it looks like it's up to [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the standards of all Apple for Sparty cases in terms of fit and finish and the [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► thoughtfulness of the features again whether you disagree with them or not [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► like it doesn't look like a piece of junk so I think that's made that are you [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► call it a MoneyGram if they put out something that was just look like a [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► piece of junk that it didn't feel good too didn't look good didn't fit right [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► maybe gonna think of their like the iPad one case you could say that about like [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► they just put this out to make money because it does not look like a piece of [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► crap and look like it was slapped together because we might say they just [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► made a small laptop is a money grab people on a small at that point yet for [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► people who want a laptop you know now that that's all fair but ok so carry [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► this on to its logical conclusion then and then we have a problem because now [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► they now have an incentive to not improve the iPhone battery life to keep [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► it to being almost sufficient for enough people but just painful enough that a [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► large portion of their customers who want to buy this additional $100 part [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► it's a sweet 16 get problem I don't know if a large portion of people going about [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► their daily but now they have the incentive to keep the status quo and [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► center do what they're already there are doing that like I think the the six plus [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► has given them a little bit of cover on this to say ure said you wanted more [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► battery capacity will be made only like yeah but it's so big you want everything [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► there is to be exactly besides you want exactly the battery capacity are testing [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► shows the public I mean as someone who uses the sex all day and the battery use [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► it everyday and the battery is totally fine for me but I also know people who [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► can get there have a day with their sex and we all have the same phone just [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► depends on usage patterns so there's such a variability usage patterns very [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► difficult to say whether they've overall undersized anything if this battery case [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► gives them cover I don't think they'll be better cases existed already so [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► whatever covered the thing that you think they're getting by having the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► battery case they really had that covered because this is huge market [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► battery cases that I see everywhere for the people who talk to their phones who [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► need to have a really long you know so I don't think I need to make this case to [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► get that cover no I think that's fair but i think is this dramatically [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► increases that don't cover them because now they can they can point to this [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► nigga say well you know what if you don't know if you're sick sore or [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► whatever the new main line iPhone is better I feel that it is not our problem [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► to fix we offer you these battery cases for an extra $99 like it was better when [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► they could say if you don't like the battery life is in our problem by one of [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► these less than $90 battery cases that offer more capacity if anything this [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► week in their story begins now they're going to always be pitching their spirit [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► which is lower capacity and higher price that the problem here is that this at [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► least by having a first party option that they believe is good this gives [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► them permission [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► internally when making design decisions to no longer really think about giving [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► more better i people built in the phone I think that I think the thing about [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► exactly the same amount I mean I good as I've said from many years back to the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► old record this seems to be this tragedy been pursuing for a long time a lot of [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► people to use a all this is the nigger robotic or theory it's finally coming [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► out it's finally coming to be here the whole time [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► like you know this is it's not it's not a new thing I like about the things [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► they've been doing is make it is thin and light as possible as you can to be [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► useful to you know to somebody to a lot of people and then allow people to add [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► to it as many times that you got out to set an extra layers of bases angeli [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► filler between there because you gotta have walls between your batteries the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► batteries have to be inside cases [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► case on the outside mission so they're going to keep dancing around in that [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► line I really think that with none of us have been discussing this if they made a [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► thicker iPhone sex like maybe even also keep her 14 like you know all day you [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► sit on the go [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► things it's all about diversity profile and they really have diversified a lot [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that is can keep going maybe they considered as a diversification by think [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► this is more of an accessory occasion since arising occasion whatever anyway [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► they're adding accessories which is one way to go to make airline more diverse [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► but it is no substitute for actually making airline more diverse and it isn't [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► that ridiculous to do you think of the making another iPhone model that still [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the same size as they're like mid-range one that has a bigger battery is this is [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► their most important product they make more than anything else and they have [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► all sorts of such customizations and our other product lines so it wouldn't be [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► that ridiculous concept [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► at the foreign from comes back and you'll see is right because of the [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► orange phone comes back like say Apple's not afraid to make sure because with the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► iPhone being such an important product there's one thing we don't have a scale [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► but the other thing is you want to make sure you get as much in the market is [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► possible the whole reason they made their phones it's like well a lot of [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► people do want bigger phones let's make a bigger phone in fact let's not just [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► make a bigger phone let's make two bigger phones gonna get one size it's [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► not gonna be big enough and people whether huge numbers make just a huge [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► run people gonna flip out cuz they want the not so huge one and like I said if [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► they make the foreign shit will show that like we understand people on all [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► different sizes and then maybe someday like you have to make a sunday or [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► something eventually the innards will take up so little power that it will be [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► a moot point across this morning for our barrier and then we will have to worry [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► about it again until people start wanting the phone last week instead of a [TS]

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00:47:41 ◼   ► Apple and other strange turn of events is actually talking to the press about [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► about the of all things about the little lump on the back of their thing was like [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► when did this come out like earlier in the week I guess yesterday at an Apple [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► already has is talking again talking to the tech press and saying we'd like to [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► talk to you about the mean things people are saying about our battery case they [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► had you know I'm not gonna say some excuses and explanations about what what [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► is the deal in case why the hell is it like that why doesn't one question is [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► that lump on the back of a lump on the back you don't want to be smooth over [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the senate's that decision why doesn't the lump on the back [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► go away from the top to the bottom of the phone wires that look like a band [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► aid where it's like this the lumpy part in the middle [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► flat part and Mark already talked about this like their explanation is about [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► cellular reception that if you put the battery over the top and the bottom of [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► the you know over the whole thing behind enemy lines on the success are in the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► top and the bottom you don't want to block the antenna with a battery was not [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► really a transparent and so they're keeping the battery away from the the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► radio parts and they get better reception but I can kind of understand [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► that something you have to deal with if you really do coat the entire back of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► the phone with the battery its gonna hurt reception people who have battery [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► cases that are not to hurt their reception know that it happens and it [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► can be annoying so they voted just by not putting the battery there did you [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► have to say so far away from the things could you meet him again I say if you [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► gonna put the big lump wanna make the lump thicker like when I go out have [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► more capacities really is depressing to meet her at me yeah well I mean come [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► down to ask that you could have left the battery the same exact size and filled [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► in the part where like essentially radio transparent tape it's not battery that's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► covering the things that just a permitted I think the paper comes down [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► test that checks and the other thing is I don't know is complete but this is a [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► story that a lot of the battery cases like the movies and stuff are to piece [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► things that are hard to get the phone in and out of the Apple one because the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► battery doesn't extend all the way up to the top the topic bendy and you could [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► just been the top back and inside the phone how to think about the video and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► they're very excited and proud about the fact that is easy to get the phone [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► enough I don't know how many people are taking their phones in a battery cases [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► lot maybe it's because they're so hard to get in and out of like those really [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► tight-fitting battery cases but is that you know i guess its ok to say hey we [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► made it really easy to get the phone and now but I just don't see someone coming [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► home every day and taking their phone out of putting it in it doesn't seem [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► like a frequent activity to me you know and that's true of any case that's a [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► better case I never take my cases of my phone and you shouldn't be the final of [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► your doesn't that they click so well it's funny because I typically use the [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► Apple leather case for my iPhone because like marco was saying earlier you know I [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► I happen to like the feel of it is a little bit exorbitantly expensive but [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► not anymore [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► when you are sixth generation ones it was like 60 bucks now they're $45 they [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► didn't know that yeah they dropped it with the S generation I didn't know that [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► so that's not quite so bad but anyway the only time I use battery case though [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► which I do have a landmark one which I really liked until Marco showed me this [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► this one that we're talking about a minute ago which I kind of lusting over [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► now but anyway let me get a first and I'll tell you that sucks yeah exactly [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► but I have this on my battery case which is just cheaper knockoff of movies and [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it works really well I really liked it but the only time I ever use it is [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► either a conference or a football game and I'm not gonna be around wall power [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► for hours and hours and hours and hours other than that I never ever use this [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► case and so getting my phone out of the Apple leather case and into the landmark [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► case is useful to have that easier but I i buy a large agree with you that it's [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► not the sort of thing that I'm doing daily I'm doing it like once once a week [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► during the fall and then maybe daily during wEDC but that's that's frequent [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► enough that I would say you would be good although I do have to wonder [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► especially the things that the more time to take the thing in and out the more [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Lucy kinda get and the more you could trap things I think they talk about this [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► on the Apple website like the microfiber on the inside its cleaning your phone [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► when you put it in there and say no getting around the fact that if you [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► happen to get like three pieces of sand in there and you said your phone inside [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► a microfiber not here to make scratches the other things about the lump sum in [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► the Apple has talked about like grip ability and stuff in households better [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► for that it's actually rather than putting it on the bottom like you guys [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► do with the lump you can put the key under the lump instead of under the very [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► bottom of the phone which probably helps me get the changes making the very [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► bottom funk even lower down so resting your pinky underneath it could be [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► accountable to do it like having never held one of these I can't really think [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► about how would you would feel awkward will feel better like giving you a text [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► replace the grip like a hand-hold that lump on the back but the silicon case it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► is nice [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► my life has one on her iPhone and the lump thing I don't know like I keep [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► going back to his many of our discussions about it past Apple products [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► have been said they favored form over function talked about the MacBook one in [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► the single part in hiring has to be so skinny and how the phone just any and [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► everything has to be so you know like just made like a sculpture the Apple [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► mouse the tiny keyboards that has ties arrow keys form over function former [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► function too much you know they can't make it ugly for one little bit of extra [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► functionality that as a No can we just make it beautiful and do the best we can [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► with Ms concerns and one thing you can say about this case is that it [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► absolutely does not perform in front of function right right so not necessary [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► because its ugly but because like look it has a job to do and it doesn't really [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► spend a lot of time figuring out how to how to make it look like a beautiful [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► piece of sculpture right you know and and again getting back to being [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► criticized think that all I max I love them so much like that I just like that [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► iMac design had both in that they said you know let let the function dictate [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► the form we we can't figure out a way to get these internal in the back of the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► screen and haven't looked so don't even try [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► had the screen and have the screen be free by myself and have you can move [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► anywhere you can twist it around downstairs where you put it was awesome [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► and the base it also looks but is also totally stable stays right there it's [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► small the base of that iMac was actually a lower and lower amount of volume I [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► believe that for cube [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► actually smaller than you thought was like that is what you want is a [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► beautiful blending of it but this one when it came time to choose she was like [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► smooth this thing over and try to hide all this stuff and you know make it look [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► like a beautiful piece of sculpture perhaps sacrificing something of utility [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► like maybe not having a good lighting passed through or maybe having your [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► ridiculously low battery capacity to make it completely invisible and useful [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► to people for Marco wanted more [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► an extra 20% they didn't they made a different choice to make a different [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► choice what their their reward is an article saying you have too much [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► function and you should have paid more attention to form because I think what [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► you made it and I guess that's because people think the only in this is a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► result of the not paying enough attention to looks right if it does mean [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► something was said that made the MacBook 11 part and it must be so important and [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► it was only on top of that you couldn't say well you said you wanted form over [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► function over form so they know they screwed up both it is both not useful [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► because it wants to be part and thalia sent instead they made this beautiful [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► thing that has one part and then you could simply say well they want to make [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► a beautiful thing and making a statement this one port and the scouts batteries [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► and other stuff like that state so much all this technology never to make this [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► beautiful thing and we agreed that is beautiful so we say yes you did that but [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► you did there I found this one we don't agree that is beautiful we feel like you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► have not made it beautiful so we're going to say that you didn't go perform [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► instead you must have done for function and you look at a functionally like well [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► as you take in and out it has a battery in it has let me pass through the only [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► thing you could maybe them on as if you really want to go for a funky mood amid [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► the chain even bigger so you could fit the long had fun Jackson but this this [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► does feel to me like a different ballot the usual form over function from Apple [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► if only because we all disagree about the the form being beautiful and I want [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► to encourage that because half the time over saying is don't make you things [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► beautiful sculptures because if you end up an absurd situations like the Harper [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► internal mass think more about forum anything more about forming in them so [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► you know I can I can empathize battle feel like we can win with these guys [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► well I mean the right answer here is to recognize that if it is truly not [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► possible to make a really good external battery case for an iPhone that also [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► looks good and good looks are important to Apple and the answer is to reduce or [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► remove the need for external battery cases reducing it that's very much if [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► you added 10 percent capacity how much do you need twenty percent capacity like [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► when do you get to the point where you actually reducing need because I think [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► the people who need like this big movies [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► their Apple should never make a phone as big as big movies are like even like 80% [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► is big like say take one of the big movies cut out all the intermediary [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► plastic and merge that that those mill empowers into the phone that's too big [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► for Apple to make right but people have those needs and so there's always gonna [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► need for some battery packs I just don't know what the ratio is like of all the [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► people in new battery packs how many people could get away with just adding [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► 20% 30% right so that's kind of what the third party banner manufacturers are [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► doing and that Apple's not privy to that information because their surveys focus [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► groups don't work that is a motivation for Apple to make seven different sizes [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► of battery packs hey Apple you have your own information about exactly how much [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► more capacity people need and you could use that to decide how thick to make the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► next owner know what target battery life or whatever but now with severe [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► dissented ever do so because it reduced the iPhone ASAP I i think by making one [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► case if they can make this will give them some information some real [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► first-hand information about what people want out of battery cases anything like [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► more battery cases that will give me more information like they're always [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► making that calculus how big to make the battery in this phone should be going [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► for target battery life like the iPad we just go for 10 hours all the time we [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► think we're ok with that I don't know what their targets for the iPhone this [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► is a very important to me it seemed like it was tiny consistent but a little bit [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► lumpy the iPads for more of a straight line and the iPhone history was a little [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► bit lumpy up and down here and there but maybe they're just holding their breath [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► in saying that we just wait a little longer and we get into the manufacturer [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► of the AOM and for us it would ever in sync feature size they're up to that [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► point and we make everything so low power adventure this point we just need [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► to get across the finish line it's already a moot point an iPad Mini and [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► iPad like saying US bases in these cases the speakers like 10 hours is fine and [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► we pretty much all agree like the most part 10 hours so far as mine [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► the iPad but the phones they're always on the ragged edge of the don't want to [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► make it really big and thick but we also wanted to last kind of all day and we [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► know we can't really make it last all day because that would just be way too [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► big so you know just like every year I think they're going to get closer and [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► every year they just put a more powerful CPU and GPU in there or make screen [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► bigger so that that sucks even more [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► power just seems like we're not really making progress on battery life but I [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► have to think somewhere out there in the future [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► we're gonna start crossing over like it give me like one or two or three more [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► hours and then all the stuff starts to fade into the background and just be [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► applicable to people who need to be able to like you know play games on iOS four [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► nine hours in a row not lose their battery or whatever the hell people are [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► doing to to use those giant movies all day [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► couple of quick notes about the positives battery case how one of the [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► things that appeals to me about this is that it does have that lightning pass [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► through its it sounds like there are other cases on the market that happens [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► like the one Marco just impulse bought a few minutes ago but having this landmark [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► case that I do like but also having to carry one micro USB port just for that [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► and I pretty much have no other devices they use it is kind of annoying so I [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► like that it has sliding pass through and then it also has some phantom [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► passive antenna help which I mean if you guys have something to say about that we [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► can but finally the the other thing that i think is appealing is when you drop [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► down in Notification Center to see what your battery life is on your phone and [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► possibly your watch this will appear in Notification Center as well which i [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► think is really nice rather than having some stupid blinking lights on the back [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► of the thing apparently there is a blinking light on the inside of the [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► things when you're charging but that's obviously not terribly useful if the [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► phone is in the case I think those are all positive I think that's good and [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► actually I never thought about putting your pinky they're not held one of these [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► yep that actually sounds really appealing to because maybe they can ship [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► me my pinky up a bit so I can actually reach the top of my already too big [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► phone yet another policy decision speaking of like it always integration [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► what are the policy I don't have battery cases out of nowhere better case do this [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► but what is the policy in terms of if you plug either terrible micro USB or [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► lightning cable something to the bottom of your phone that inside the battery [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► case the charge the battery case for us to charge the phone first when you put a [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► phone into a better case the better case immediately begin charging the phone up [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► to a hundred percent [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► then stop charging when he goes that or does the battery case charge of blown up [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► to some presenters like 75 or 80 and just try to keep it there is used the [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► phone like how do you how does the software in the battery case I guess [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► decide what to do with power and there is an are you into made for the battery [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► case not charging the fuck 200% keeping it that way because keeping lithium-ion [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► batteries 800% charge overtime shortens the life force is keeping them like crap [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► like that but at any rate keeping a charge of Max all time is not greater [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► battery life even despite like does that thing where like let your battery drain [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► down like 99 98 97 percent in that cranks back up like it's it's not good [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► to keep it under percent all the time I've heard that some battery cases try [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► to keep your phone on 75 or something to to extend the battery life on a river [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► but those are those type of decisions are things that can be adjusted I guess [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► in software I may be in firmware does the battery case a former I don't know [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► some cooperation between the device with software on the battery case would be [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► good here and it's a perfect opportunity to try to do something that you couldn't [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► do as a regular person because as a regular person without a battery case [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► you have a charge under percent before you leave the house you know going to [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► charge of up to 70% to preserve the battery life because you're just gonna [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► maybe run out before the end of the day you're always charging two hundred [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► percent people battery cases can maybe I guess maybe the battery case keeping [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► charged under percent but I'd be more comfortable doing that but the thing [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► that's inside the phone because it's probably still cheaper to get a new [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► battery case in to replace the battery inside the phone that certainly you know [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► about opening up your phone to know that stuff but also if there is integration [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► between the battery case and the phone works in Apple's case there is their [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► software division at the phone level and no one else will go to get that there's [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► one more thing you can do that that smart that I that that is unfortunately [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► the case can do I S has a number of changes that it does behaviour of it [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► does your does when it think to put in the AC power it will more readily [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► download things in the background it'll pull out more often it'll use more power [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► when it thinks that wasn't AC power if Apple makes a case that integrates in [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► the software [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► a smart thing to do would be [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► the battery case to communicate to the phone hey I'm also a battery this is not [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► really AC power even though I'm charging you and for the phone to continue [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► operating as it was running on battery power I don't know if Apple's keys does [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► that I do know that third-party cases can't and don't do that we need to see [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► what the policy decision as a low power mode I guess maybe you'd never get into [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► low power mode if the battery cases always charging the phone and if you did [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► reach it would be legit dinner now but what if you had a battery case that was [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► like with holding its charge from the phone to the phone dipped to a certain [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► level and that triggered the low-power warning about this this is yet another [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► reason why I actually increase in the capacity of the battery inside the phone [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► removes all these complexities you know how to make all these weird policy [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► decision exactly the battery and other stuff but bottom line is official [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► support for everything we just discussed is a good idea because no matter how big [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► the better in the phone someone's always going to need something with the size of [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► our by yourself and there's gonna be battery case existing of battery cases [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► are going to exist the OSU really have support like this should be made for [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► iPhone program to be compliant battery case to get all the features we describe [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► even if Apple's the first one to do it like why why would hold that I was [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► surprised to learn that the same thing like that as far as I'm concerned they [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► think they're attached AC power an attached to a battery cases battery [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► cases have been around for a very long time you'd think by now Apple would have [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► official support for hey if you're making a battery case do this and that [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► and have these resistances on these pins and will let us know that you are [TS]

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01:06:45 ◼   ► I'm a bit on the small battery case there was a story on the verge about the [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► Apple Smart Battery Case look weird because most he has a ton of patents on [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► battery well movie does have a ton of patents on battery has some of them [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► involving a two-part case which its debts over the thing and just you know [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► tons of dumb patents is that why Apple's case looks like this [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► apple says no in their strange communication with the tech press that [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► they're doing nowadays they apparently have said through channels unequivocally [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► no that's not entirely surprising since this landmark case that I have operates [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► exact same way that these suppose it [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► Mophie patents would prohibit but to be fair Lenmar as a much more target that [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► Apple would be so I'm not sure anyone cares I think alike [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► the reason I believe this this [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► story of it out that apple says that they didn't maybe they waited because of [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► patents is not because I think Apple you know I'm gonna made the case and not [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► infringe Apple's I think if Apple made a case for Apple wouldn't care because [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► they've got a bazillion dollars in movie doesn't like it if it seemed like [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► Apple's about to lose the case by movie I mean seriously giant coming to lab are [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► not afraid of small companies like movie when it comes to infringing patents [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► because they just tied the knot in litigation into the company goes out of [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► business out there like willfully infringing patents but they said many [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► times everything is planted evidence thus tons of dumb pens there's nothing [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► you can do it is not violating someone's patents [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► every single thing Apple does is violating somebody's patents in this [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► room every technology companies just the cost the stupid cost of doing business [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► and so Apple is not going to have some sort of meeting before deciding their [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► iPhone better they say let's take a survey of all the patents that held by [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► people who have patents on iphone battery cases and make sure whatever we [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► do doesn't come close to one of those are just gonna make the case that they [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► want to make like that's if they didn't they will be paralyzed like it like that [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► you know we're adding a featured iowa's please spend six months trying to search [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► for every Superdome patent that applies to our planet that's gonna do it just [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► gonna do it and then to wait for somebody to sue them because that's the [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► way business works and stupid world that we have here in the united states right [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► anything else on the case I can't believe we talked for so long the [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► battery case have you met us this I mean no I'm have a 65 summit but the sex [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► right it does yes it does not it doesn't the pluses does for the record I mean I [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► can see why people would choose this one you know it does have some integration [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► it does feel probably pretty good if you if you want a rubberized silicone case [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► feel for grip purposes it is probably good for that although I don't know [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► whether the bullet in the back would be more comfortable as comfortable but I I [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► see why would she uses one but I think anybody who this sounds stupid anybody [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► who really cares about their battery case [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► I think would find many better options it depends on what you care about like [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► people this may look rugged to some people I'm not sure how the Athletics [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► will will will be received by people who are not as obsessed with like the [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► apathetic as we are perhaps the people of Pakistan are because Apple Design is [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► a particular aesthetic and it appeals to us obviously because we like Apple [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► products we buy them stuff but it's not necessarily people and every kind of [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► like you know the Aston Martin static vs the Corvette vs Ferrari like just [TS]

01:10:17 ◼   ► historically speaking of the three very different styles and some people really [TS]

01:10:21 ◼   ► like Aston Martin think about their glee in some people really like about the [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► Mustangs and Aston Martins don't appeal to them the same thing with Ferrari like [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► not every style appeals to every person and when I look at this time I try to [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► say is is it would appeal to somebody and I think it was like power tools you [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► know or maybe maybe a combination of mike l being in like Dewalt power tools [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► or something like there is a sort of rugged do reverie granddaddy kind of [TS]

01:10:48 ◼   ► athletic here that might actually be appealing to some people and maybe [TS]

01:10:53 ◼   ► there's more of them than are the people who want everything I would say Apple's [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► in car manufacturer analogy is closest like Aston Martin but people do like the [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► Mustangs have boulders and flares and nostrils and all sorts of weird rude [TS]

01:11:05 ◼   ► things so I'm not entirely sure if this is actually even though it is so [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► different than the estimate that we like her Apple is it really unappealing to [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► everybody I mean at the very least hear your phone will sit flat on the table [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► first of all I think if Dewalt designed a battery case they might have only 10 [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► but if they did it would be way better looking than this [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► secondly I would far rather have a Corvette than this and even look usually [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► have you seen the back of the current one [TS]

01:11:35 ◼   ► pretty rough but have you seen this I mean if the battery is it's it's it's a [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► it's growing on me it's growing on me at this when I look at the bank was now I [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► start thinking it looks like the interior space station sent from 1970 [TS]

01:11:48 ◼   ► wow wow [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► take a bunch of these big news in miniature like take a bunch of these [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► erase the Apple logo and line them up to make like a hallway like these that that [TS]

01:11:59 ◼   ► is from a sci-fi movie they're like they're like little bulging random but [TS]

01:12:03 ◼   ► what I've heard from I think this article like don't get the white one [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► people I know you know we've talked to Casey about this but I quite looks good [TS]

01:12:11 ◼   ► in some time some things but something you're gonna hold is going to get dirty [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► and gross really fast like there's no avoiding it will be panel our phones all [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► the time we put them in pockets to put them in person who put them down on [TS]

01:12:21 ◼   ► tables do not get the white one unless unless you're ok with the fact that it's [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► that's going to not look like Apple's product shots for more than like a week [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► it was at Christina's who said like it was discolored after like one day I mean [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► how can you not like it is it is it is magical bright white it's a white world [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► white nothing will stay if you touch it [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► sorry even like porcelain is made of flying China would eventually get away [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► but this is this is will not call ya but also we have to talk about we have a lot [TS]

01:12:53 ◼   ► of updates all the things get updated to care now we could it enumerates them is [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► everything to say about them we got i OS 9.2 is there anything noteworthy there I [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► updated my devices and did not notice anything and didn't recall seeing things [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► when she was a you that was very upset about the Done button in Safari Safari [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► ViewController upset like keeping it moving stuff around like I don't know if [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► it's better or worse than the other place at six the actual thing that [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► drives me nuts about smart of you controllers is as soon as you scroll at [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► scrunched up and hides and you have to do something else to make it appear [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► again before you can dismiss it that is the maddening family care where the [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► button is because they are going to depend on one hand holding the thing [TS]

01:13:36 ◼   ► with or whatever like there is no right position for the Done button and maybe I [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► think what did they move it may be there were like well that's like with it back [TS]

01:13:44 ◼   ► one is like an offside and even though this isn't a right to left navigation [TS]

01:13:48 ◼   ► the thing that makes it go away should be a left turn up the ride I don't know [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► that thing was but the bottom line is it still disappears as you start date and [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► that is the real 30 criminal act and not the position of the done by me but you [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► know the only thing I notice so far I've heard from a couple Apple people here in [TS]

01:14:09 ◼   ► there that these were all pretty pretty substantial bugfix updates and that's [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► good to hear you know kind of like when there is a significant update that [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► appears to contain nothing new but is likely because that usually means a lot [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► of bug fixes I would like to see them the change knows though like that's what [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► I was looking for like shit show me all the bugs but they didn't think so now it [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► improves performance and stability and they're not going to tell you like [TS]

01:14:34 ◼   ► here's five hundred bugs that we fixed it news releases because they're not [TS]

01:14:39 ◼   ► gonna make themselves look bad they do say some things like that you know fix [TS]

01:14:43 ◼   ► this I feel like you know fix the bug caused whatever and whatever application [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► something really obscure that could you get a list that are you not listening [TS]

01:14:51 ◼   ► the other things that are equal in obscurity [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► I didn't quite understand the political machine that determines what makes [TS]

01:15:00 ◼   ► things being released because I do seized up the sometimes it's not just [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► like performance-enhancing drugs is like some very specific things that which [TS]

01:15:06 ◼   ► makes me think is there nothing else in that same specificity of this release [TS]

01:15:10 ◼   ► surely there is i think it's a very sleepy are massaged to be very first of [TS]

01:15:19 ◼   ► a very passive like you know fixes an issue in which certain people were [TS]

01:15:24 ◼   ► affected by a certain you know we're behavior it's the used worrying and [TS]

01:15:29 ◼   ► freezing to be just very passive very like this is kind of happened to us you [TS]

01:15:35 ◼   ► know it's it's PR it's all PR [TS]

01:15:40 ◼   ► yeah I agree John I didn't notice anything I've updated my iPad and my [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► iPhone and iPhone updated my watch haven't noticed anything there so yeah [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► we got their last 10 10 11 to update which those results also like they're [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► like hey we added some pics for some bug in mail is something but I saw you Marco [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► asking on Twitter into the void did they fix like USB audio USB stack [TS]

01:16:06 ◼   ► specifically related audio and you got did you get any answers about that yet [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► tipster said that that it was like they were there there are a lot of problems [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► in our cap so far regarding the USB stack and as it relates to audio devices [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► where a lot of times and I talked to a few people into this happens to them to [TS]

01:16:23 ◼   ► it isn't just me or a lot of times I will have my audio device that I might [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► play music through whatever just stopped working completely just like music just [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► stops playing if you hit play and iTunes the time of the advanced like it's not [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► even getting to the point of sending the buffer out and a new trial excited for [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► different sound output devices and Mike it fails or you can select one or just [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► disappears for a while and oftentimes fixed by just waiting like 10 minutes [TS]

01:16:51 ◼   ► oftentimes fixed by rebooting very very strange apparently the the you the USB [TS]

01:16:56 ◼   ► stack had a lot of changes done enough and so I've heard from various people [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► including including [TS]

01:17:02 ◼   ► hipster that that has been now fixed in the dot to release its at radii haven't [TS]

01:17:08 ◼   ► actually thought it but I'm gonna start after the show [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► do you have these problems only on your computer which is festooned with German [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► audio [TS]

01:17:18 ◼   ► I'm wondering if it's like you because you're exercising both the USB subsystem [TS]

01:17:23 ◼   ► and the audio component of that more than I am but I've had the RUC problems [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► but I also do almost zero things involving USB all I do is like a couple [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► times we have played in my USB mic to this one Mac and that's it everything [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► else is not I'm not unplug and plug things that don't have any other USB [TS]

01:17:39 ◼   ► audio gear except this Mike and I have had no problems I'm wondering if it's [TS]

01:17:42 ◼   ► because like you feel like you're actually use using the USB stack in a [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► much more thorough way that I N during his problems I guess your control group [TS]

01:17:52 ◼   ► would be like this computer if she's not messing with maybe she has made you go [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► you too can you tell if that's because you are actually doing USB and audio [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► stuff that's causing this [TS]

01:18:03 ◼   ► the problem is the bug journeys reproducible just like kinda happens out [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► of nowhere you know maybe once a week or every few days so it gets there's never [TS]

01:18:12 ◼   ► any one thing that seems to trigger it so I have no idea but hopefully it's [TS]

01:18:16 ◼   ► fixed and i'm looking forward to [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► to seeing it is fixed at El Capitan very good for me it has not had any other [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► real problems to speak but that's been embedded in a pretty annoying one I [TS]

01:18:30 ◼   ► think I've seen more people like everyone somehow something will come [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► across my tourist re-emerge something I'm blogging area my Apple should do a [TS]

01:18:36 ◼   ► snow leopard lace or they just fix things are never as like to do that like [TS]

01:18:41 ◼   ► 10 11 is very as we talked about very snowy liberty where they didn't spend a [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► lot of time on big new features they tried to do bug fixes discovery d kind [TS]

01:18:51 ◼   ► of messed that up a little bit here we are 10112 not too long after 10 11 by [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► the time the point to release comes to have dealt with the discovered he was [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► granted which was hanging from your semi that was like oh they didn't fix I was [TS]

01:19:05 ◼   ► very quickly took a long time to explain away but I'm telling him to come down to [TS]

01:19:10 ◼   ► fourth time of saying that the major problems that were in 10 11 20 perhaps [TS]

01:19:16 ◼   ► seem to have been a dress that's a reasonable timeline for almost any of [TS]

01:19:20 ◼   ► these is by the point to three or four most of the stuff should be shipping out [TS]

01:19:25 ◼   ► and the point for it like back in the day when he was 18 months or two years [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► places but if if it turns out that ten eleven jus got the really big issues [TS]

01:19:35 ◼   ► aside from the odd stuff which really has more to do with the server and the [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► architecture and they can actually fixed by updating the OS what you said but [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► anyway aside from that they really have shaken everything out that I feel like [TS]

01:19:47 ◼   ► that is fully on a snow leopard e-type schedule people forget the snow leopard [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► had some weird stuff in the 10 60 as well like everybody's does so I've been [TS]

01:19:57 ◼   ► very happy with all CAPS so far I upgraded everything on the day was [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► released I am while the point updates I haven't regretted it [TS]

01:20:04 ◼   ► experience and no weirdness anywhere again other than I cloud stuff which I [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► really like anything that involves servers I don't blame you entirely for [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► that and really I mean honestly like it in for a while the max kind of felt [TS]

01:20:18 ◼   ► neglected because I was taking all the glory on the time I'll do stuff and then [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► Apple started doing these like massive changes to the MAC Tournament in the [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► lion error and forward from that and it just are getting really weird and really [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► bad and then you had like I think you are somebody was kind of the peak of [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► Apple not only doing patent mediocre ideas on a lot of the Mac stuff but also [TS]

01:20:45 ◼   ► starting to have really bad execution of a lot of it where is a so lucky and so [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► many problems that was [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► Leopard and Lion both had bad implications of everything to ensure [TS]

01:20:55 ◼   ► fairness ok maybe just the odd releases but I feel like now we're going to the [TS]

01:21:00 ◼   ► point where the the neglect in favor of working on iOS is actually helping the [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► Mac most of the time because now it's like you can leave us alone and stop [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► touching things and let us do our work on this pretty stable platform and you [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► can go have your fun and iOS and we have to wait we have to watch out for is when [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► they do one of these like kind of drive-by rewrites discovery D was one [TS]

01:21:29 ◼   ► this USB subsystem in all caps seems to have been one certainly the disk utility [TS]

01:21:34 ◼   ► in all caps 1 like they can do these drive-by rewrites where they for some [TS]

01:21:39 ◼   ► reason they decide something needs to be dramatically rewritten or refractory [TS]

01:21:43 ◼   ► designer ever and they do like an 80 percent job of it and then they just [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► move on to other things and it leaves us this subsystem broken for awhile as long [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► as we can minimize those times where that happens and they're leaving us [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► mostly alone on the Mac I'm ok with that I like this is where we get our work [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► done but this is this please don't mess it up please just leave us alone let it [TS]

01:22:11 ◼   ► keep working please stop updating it every year and please doctor and two [TS]

01:22:15 ◼   ► major like massive shift [TS]

01:22:17 ◼   ► just please well like I said they're not doing those majorettes for their health [TS]

01:22:22 ◼   ► like they're doing them for a reason and the only difference is they just have to [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► actually execute well like I have launched his example in the path of life [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► why the hell you replacing an it perfectly fine like every unit used it [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► why do you think that your own thing is like second system syndromes creative [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► bunch these awesome right and once he was buggy at first too but they did it [TS]

01:22:42 ◼   ► they did it because the existing thing that filled that role didn't have the [TS]

01:22:46 ◼   ► features they need it does they they executed it well enough that they didn't [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► have to roll it back I know it's a low bar back most people didn't even notice [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► it except for the fact that I wrote about a mile to a standard user like a [TS]

01:22:59 ◼   ► lunch deal with that but I can tell you the original version much he had tons of [TS]

01:23:03 ◼   ► bugs but they got it done well enough and they move for another example is i [TS]

01:23:08 ◼   ► cum services which has had bugs I don't know how many fourteen years like [TS]

01:23:12 ◼   ► they're mostly cosmetic maybe that's why they didn't get fixed but I can services [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► would like corrupts cashes in some weird way and all your dock icons or shop all [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► crazy and pixelated for just years and years and years and it's like obviously [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► this isn't a quick bucks I'll be there is something architectural a wrong with [TS]

01:23:27 ◼   ► icon services and someone needs to go in there with the big wire brush and say [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► all right what the hell is going on I can services let me deal with this let [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► me fix it and that took so many years to happen and honestly I wish they had [TS]

01:23:39 ◼   ► tackled that sooner sometimes you have a subsystem they did it because it's super [TS]

01:23:43 ◼   ► old and crusty and it's not even yours maybe it's like BS decode leftover and [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► God knows when or because the first guy took a pass out at a crappy job and you [TS]

01:23:50 ◼   ► know you wanna take another a second run out and do a better job that's what you [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► have to do that the job of a slew of the core OS group I want them to continue [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► doing that I just want them to do a better job like and I think they do a [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► good job almost all the time and those term use I applauded the car esther was [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► a great example see guys chorus is rewriting major components and doing a [TS]

01:24:09 ◼   ► good job and improving things and fixing their bugs and Europe year making things [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► better netting features why doesn't everybody else like say on the GUI TMR [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► ever do that you know and the answer is like they have other other stakeholders [TS]

01:24:20 ◼   ► let's say like people who care about aesthetics market [TS]

01:24:23 ◼   ► in branding whereas people doing lunch D have nobody worried about ethics or [TS]

01:24:27 ◼   ► branding anything like that but anyway I'm telling favor of them continuing to [TS]

01:24:32 ◼   ► look at their OS two side but subsystems are really do for you there are really [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► thorough spring cleaning or maybe a complete replacement with something new [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► you just have to do it well enough that you don't have to roll it back when Vint [TS]

01:24:46 ◼   ► Cerf complains about like I felt that the that's a low bar but that isn'ta [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► given no I mean like I think modern apple with this incredibly relentless [TS]

01:24:59 ◼   ► annual release schedule of everything all these different product lines that [TS]

01:25:03 ◼   ► keep expanding at the even more product lines and having the engineering [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► resources spread incredibly thin and constant moving around between things I [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► feel like what we what we keep seeing from Apple is that they they don't seem [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► to be incredibly good anymore at doing these big rewrites of subsystems are big [TS]

01:25:22 ◼   ► new initiatives like their record is pretty bad weather they screwed up [TS]

01:25:27 ◼   ► besides the sky every day Apple music is a big one like the USB one I would say [TS]

01:25:31 ◼   ► success especially at this point to like if you haven't like a big refactoring [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► and a big changes to of major subsystem and you get all the kinks worked out of [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► a point to like that's probably pretty much all you can hope for like it that's [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► a pretty good job I I still have faith in those groups to be able to do is in [TS]

01:25:50 ◼   ► the early schedule you can debate about that but really if they're competent I [TS]

01:25:54 ◼   ► think they mostly are all yearly schedule does is push push feature that [TS]

01:26:00 ◼   ► take more than one release out farther because every release has a certain [TS]

01:26:02 ◼   ► amount of overhead associated with it and the more releases you have it like [TS]

01:26:06 ◼   ► say you want to do a feature and like I know this features too big to fit into [TS]

01:26:08 ◼   ► one release them but you don't you think of something else I know this feature is [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► too big to fit into one release how do I do this project at Apple and I would say [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► you can do that probably just fine you just have to have been a multi-year plan [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► if you think a year and a half we're not going to cut it released in the year and [TS]

01:26:24 ◼   ► a half years going to be in the two-year once you know this the overhead of each [TS]

01:26:28 ◼   ► release the dads to just you know is just overhead just adds to the work [TS]

01:26:32 ◼   ► everybody has to do [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► and then your schedule just get pushed out really early releases is simply a [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► matter of good management software they can what's above the line what's below [TS]

01:26:44 ◼   ► the line what fits in this really what what doesn't and if you do a good job [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► done keeping things in and putting them out i mean you could even say discovered [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► he was the problem of that and not as if they did a bad job discovered even [TS]

01:26:52 ◼   ► during the meetings when they say what's in and what's that pretend 10 someone [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► should have said we really want to do launched in this discovery in this one [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► but it's it's not just not yet it booted to 10 11 12 you just keep taking it down [TS]

01:27:05 ◼   ► the road like that in the exercise you could have it till you get down to a [TS]

01:27:09 ◼   ► certain point where the overhead dwarfs the amount of time you have you could [TS]

01:27:12 ◼   ► have six months releases if you want it it's all just a matter of how you draw [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► the line for you know sort of project manager parlance what's in and what's [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► out for the way to go what's the radio was not ready to go so I think having an [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► organization that discipline in that way I think like a tributary Creek they read [TS]

01:27:29 ◼   ► your whoever like they went from the sort of loosey-goosey artistic will [TS]

01:27:34 ◼   ► release TOS when it's ready Steve Jobs kind of let's figure it out [TS]

01:27:38 ◼   ► type of thing too much more regimented we're going to put ourselves on a yearly [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► schedule we're gonna be disciplined about that it's that is much more sort [TS]

01:27:45 ◼   ► of you know a business 101 like we should be able to do this if we if we [TS]

01:27:52 ◼   ► are inefficient good organization it shouldn't be like well I don't really [TS]

01:27:55 ◼   ► know in the next coming out it whenever it's done and you know well the iPhone [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► has taken some time with leopards gonna be a little later released every year [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► and stuff doesn't make it doesn't make it but you know the train is leaving the [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► station with or without you I think doing that inside Apple was a really [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► good decision they're just working on like what needs to fit in it and those [TS]

01:28:14 ◼   ► releases and what else get updated watching updated big news actually that [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► is sort of big news real-time follow up for myself I didn't notice any watch OS [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► updates except I went to kick off the workflow I have to tell Aaron I'm on my [TS]

01:28:33 ◼   ► way home so this is using the workflow app and it will figure out the driving [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► time from where I am to the house and then [TS]

01:28:39 ◼   ► you up a text message for Aaron saying I'll be home in like 15 minutes or [TS]

01:28:43 ◼   ► whatever they used to be on the watch that I would kick off that workflow and [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► I would have to do handoff to actually send the text message but now I can run [TS]

01:28:53 ◼   ► that workflow and it is capable sending the text message from the watch which is [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► super exciting I know you're I know you're both really happy that that that [TS]

01:29:01 ◼   ► has changed to watch it they take so long my questions such a small device at [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► a store what is it doing honestly I think it's because the watch is just [TS]

01:29:11 ◼   ► really slow I mean CPU I seems to be roughly one level of an iPhone 3G s and [TS]

01:29:17 ◼   ► if you look you look at like deep bench iOS benchmarks by keeping standard [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► iPhone 3G s is about 16 times lower than iPhone success if you think about like [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► the kind of thing it's doing it's running on president at sixteen times [TS]

01:29:36 ◼   ► lower than we're accustomed to now granted it's a simple OS I'm sure the [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► patching process simpler etcetera but keep that in mind as the baseline of [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► like everything that it does it has to Pacha CPU is going through something 16 [TS]

01:29:49 ◼   ► times lower than iPhone success story started going to be slower to I wonder [TS]

01:29:53 ◼   ► what the bottleneck is the bottleneck the CPU is about storage help maybe to [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► the wireless connection of receiving the update from who knows what it's a lot of [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► things but I think primarily it's because the CPUs you so incredibly slow [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► but mostly I honestly like your thinking about like there's there's been rumors [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► of the second watch coming out possibly even as soon as the spring that radical [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► since last we came out last spring and there there's been rumors about what it [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► might be the biggest one is that it might have FaceTime camera which sounds [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► terrible to me honestly it sound like you would want to be on either end of [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► that conversation but it is what is a little bit disappointing is that I [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► haven't heard anything about it being faster all the rumors are about facing [TS]

01:30:39 ◼   ► cameras on wifi abilities and I hope they can make it faster because I had a [TS]

01:30:45 ◼   ► lot of trouble figuring out like how to really use the waters beyond the watch [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► face anything involving apps or even glance on the watch I have gotten very [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► little in to end and part of it is because it's just so incredibly slow to [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► do pretty much anything so if the watch gets a lot faster over the next few [TS]

01:31:03 ◼   ► years I think that will change what we can do with it dramatically I think it [TS]

01:31:07 ◼   ► will really make a lot more useful for a lot of different like third-party app [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► abilities were right now you do anything on the watch right now and it's takes so [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► long that you're taking up my phone for that kind of sad that the watch like it [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► if the washer to come out an error before my iPhone 6 caliber devices that [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► are just so much fast there maybe wouldn't have as much as compared to [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► what I was I was going to make the comparison the iPhone memory iPhone came [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► out it was a responsive but was it really compared to a net people to these [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► videos like here's an iPhone 1 vs 16 and what's your response and they really did [TS]

01:31:40 ◼   ► do an amazing job at keeping the iPhone responses but it seems like they they [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► couldn't they couldn't get that kind of perceptive you know received [TS]

01:31:49 ◼   ► responsiveness in the water just because you're always constantly comparing it to [TS]

01:31:52 ◼   ► your iPhone 6 which is a bazillion times more powerful yet especially watch get [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► in the first time doing that the remote app thing that just made it even worse [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► so you write the watch does the watch feel slow although when I think of like [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► oh the next version of the watch and we talked about that thank you for the [TS]

01:32:08 ◼   ► watch need to be as far as I'm concerned other than software being faster thinner [TS]

01:32:14 ◼   ► just seems like this should be an apples wheelhouse like they're good at making [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► things right and and never will be but maybe not in the next version right but [TS]

01:32:23 ◼   ► eventually be thinner so we can look forward to the the the Apple watch for [TS]

01:32:27 ◼   ► that is thinner and faster and now we really started talking and still doesn't [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► necessarily mean you know having spent time with the washing everything I still [TS]

01:32:37 ◼   ► am not entirely convinced that there is a way you know no matter how fast it was [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► that there is something useful you can do it to watch that is happy in the same [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► way that the phone things are happy I I mostly think of it as I would like to go [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► near a device or into a room or into a place or at a certain time and have the [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► watch look and behave differently based on that so I don't have to mess with it [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► mostly the thing I do is look at the watch and when I look at it because of [TS]

01:33:08 ◼   ► your area or what time it is or what has happened somewhere else it shows me [TS]

01:33:14 ◼   ► something that is useful right whether it's a sit down in front of my TV and [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► pick up my rest and I can talk into it uses a series that are hard to find the [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► remote or like when it's time to go I just look at my watch and it tells me [TS]

01:33:27 ◼   ► the proactive traffic thing like I'm not getting into touching my watch i'm not [TS]

01:33:31 ◼   ► swiping on it I'm not using digital crown on that pushing buttons are gonna [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► just pushing buttons like the one interaction that are alike with it is [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► double tap and use it as the two do Apple pay cause I don't have to look at [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► the watch that I can feel for the buck double tap that I'm still underneath the [TS]

01:33:46 ◼   ► sleep in my code I can even see it with it so far that is the most convincing [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► interacts with the washer me and I like like you Marco I'm never like I'm never [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► using that interface with like as if it's tiny phone even even for like three [TS]

01:34:02 ◼   ► seconds no I mean to me I agree with everything you basically said it's like [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► whenever I'm using the watch it is mostly about quickly glancing at it for [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► the watch to tell me something I am hardly ever touching the watch interact [TS]

01:34:17 ◼   ► with it on any level really and if I am and maybe one tap or something it's you [TS]

01:34:21 ◼   ► know very little because [TS]

01:34:22 ◼   ► if you're going to use the watch for more than about three seconds to do [TS]

01:34:27 ◼   ► anything it feel like a failure [TS]

01:34:28 ◼   ► feels like oh I I kind of regret that I should have gone to my phone for this [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► oftentimes you don't need to I mean oftentimes one who like so much about [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► the watch is getting notifications on it but a lot of times I have to take my [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► phone anyway to act on those indications or to even read the whole thing so it's [TS]

01:34:48 ◼   ► a little bit of a mix peg leg it is nice in theory and sometimes it really is [TS]

01:34:53 ◼   ► really nice but in practice I have to keep taking my phone out anyway the more [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► the watch can do faster for you without you text me to do anything to it and if [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► you do need to touch it the more can do in very fast response to that sucks the [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► better it is as a product and it doesn't feel like an app platform in a [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► traditional way at all it feels like Apple tried to wedge in a platform onto [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► it and maybe they just didn't realize how it wouldn't really work I think you [TS]

01:35:23 ◼   ► have to give those capabilities even if those apps like things were talking [TS]

01:35:27 ◼   ► about could be powered by apps apps are given sufficient powers I think it's [TS]

01:35:31 ◼   ► kind of like you just have to make the API and see if someone you know they [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► don't know what's going to be like without you don't know what kind of [TS]

01:35:39 ◼   ► people who make good that Apple is predicted like an angry bird style game [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► would be such a big hit because the touch controls on plane back to little [TS]

01:35:46 ◼   ► slingshot and everything you just have to kind of get smart to make it a [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► platform whether you could figure out what's going to be the at the work on it [TS]

01:35:54 ◼   ► or not the more capabilities give people you know no try everything things that [TS]

01:35:59 ◼   ► don't work like it's not gonna hear back someone tried it [TS]

01:36:01 ◼   ► sale by its good to have a big open space to experiment it could be that it [TS]

01:36:06 ◼   ► ends up the none of those things work or could be the Apple has exposed the right [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► capabilities to the apps like if you can imagine a much more powerful watch that [TS]

01:36:14 ◼   ► gives Absa wariness of like where you are if you're near Apple TV or like sort [TS]

01:36:19 ◼   ► of background I processing so that third party apps could do any of those things [TS]

01:36:23 ◼   ► that I assist ride than third party app so have the capability to figure out [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► what people do and don't want from it [TS]

01:36:29 ◼   ► and you know like I think if you don't make it a platform that it's coming on [TS]

01:36:34 ◼   ► Apple to figure out every possible thing you could do with useful if you do make [TS]

01:36:37 ◼   ► it a platform everybody can try all sorts of things most of which were fail [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► and she will figure out what's good for I think so I think it was smart to make [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► it a platform but so far everything people tried including Apple has been [TS]

01:36:47 ◼   ► like no that's not it [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► keep keep trying to the custom complications I think was a fairly big [TS]

01:36:52 ◼   ► success because those are things that you know you glance at it tell you stuff [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► but that's a very small success so we're still kind of waiting [TS]

01:37:00 ◼   ► yeah my update on by the way not being a white person you know I just only things [TS]

01:37:05 ◼   ► on my wrist and the winter's made it worse because now I have you know [TS]

01:37:09 ◼   ► heavier coat that I kind of interferes with you know that the heavier coat [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► sleeves and anything long sleeved is not that pleasant and gloves and over and my [TS]

01:37:20 ◼   ► guess is making it more annoying so I had a couple of days over the past few [TS]

01:37:23 ◼   ► weeks when I realized I never looked at my watch I put it on the morning to go [TS]

01:37:27 ◼   ► to work at took it off and homework and during the entire time at work but never [TS]

01:37:31 ◼   ► vibrated I never looked at it I guess I ignored the stand things or maybe I [TS]

01:37:36 ◼   ► didn't feel the more I don't know why did you even put it onto a CD and look [TS]

01:37:40 ◼   ► at it and so now I have it feels really uncomfortable when Jack in my clothes [TS]

01:37:45 ◼   ► and i know i had days where did it all go now a few days I've decided you know [TS]

01:37:50 ◼   ► I'm not wearing today so I don't know if I'm slowly like a again it doesn't take [TS]

01:37:54 ◼   ► much to make me not wanna wear it because I am so not a watch person so I [TS]

01:37:59 ◼   ► may that's my new thing now instead of putting on every time I remember [TS]

01:38:03 ◼   ► sometimes I remember to put it on and I choose not to so that's you know I'm not [TS]

01:38:08 ◼   ► as bad for the watch I was not a wise person and the operation make me a lot [TS]

01:38:12 ◼   ► person I still think it looks nice I still like wearing it sometimes if I was [TS]

01:38:16 ◼   ► going to like go out on the town or walk around the city or go I would definitely [TS]

01:38:20 ◼   ► wear it because I think it would earn its keep then but four days when I just [TS]

01:38:25 ◼   ► can't get into the office and center front of my computer all day and come [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► home sometimes it doesn't earn its keep yeah I'm gonna see I I mention I'm [TS]

01:38:32 ◼   ► getting a mechanical watch this Christmas and I'm gonna try [TS]

01:38:36 ◼   ► at day today for a while and just see like you know my eye I do like having a [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► walk a lot now but I don't know if I like it just because I like the fashion [TS]

01:38:47 ◼   ► ability and time [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► aspects of it but I'm a special staring at like you look at the operator screen [TS]

01:38:52 ◼   ► all day at the times that you're hiding the menu bar and noticed an enduring [TS]

01:38:56 ◼   ► that are you know but I'm not only have my computer I wish I was but somehow I [TS]

01:39:02 ◼   ► think you're Irish picture where is my car right now [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► computer I wish your in line for tickets out sometimes and if its new york online [TS]

01:39:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah but no I mean the reality is you know I have a lifetime ban around [TS]

01:39:19 ◼   ► every family have a house in order to get your hands out every day so you know [TS]

01:39:23 ◼   ► what time it is [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► yeah I'm not around a lot and I i have been totally converted now I love having [TS]

01:39:28 ◼   ► the time of my wrist and do that yet rated [TS]

01:39:32 ◼   ► totally new idea yeah so I love that now but I i'm gona C cos there's also a lot [TS]

01:39:39 ◼   ► about the Apple I don't really care for and so I'm gonna see like you know I am [TS]

01:39:44 ◼   ► i watch person or online a polite person so I now know that if this week we think [TS]

01:39:52 ◼   ► they said Rep response this week [TS]

01:39:54 ◼   ► Backblaze casper and Squarespace and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:40:00 ◼   ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

01:40:11 ◼   ► case because it was accidental and Marco [TS]

01:40:59 ◼   ► I'm going to assume Marco you did not get $40 timex what is it Speedmaster [TS]

01:41:05 ◼   ► whatever it is that I used to wear No [TS]

01:41:07 ◼   ► you know that would be more intelligent thing to do if you want to just try out [TS]

01:41:10 ◼   ► wearing a large shopping and Mike tiffany's there it's jewellery and also [TS]

01:41:17 ◼   ► jewellery as people tell me I mispronounce it maybe there's one thing [TS]

01:41:20 ◼   ► to enter anyway yeah you're shopping for a lot of the shop is like I find these [TS]

01:41:27 ◼   ► watches are you never gonna buy you gonna find one that looks nice to you [TS]

01:41:31 ◼   ► and then after that it's like ok looks nice but is it terribly uncomfortable [TS]

01:41:34 ◼   ► nowhere and so on and so forth but yeah and honestly I I have found very few [TS]

01:41:38 ◼   ► watches in like most likely the big brands like Rolex immediately there were [TS]

01:41:44 ◼   ► very few of those that i've seen that I thought I would like that forever reason [TS]

01:41:51 ◼   ► it most well-respected mechanical watches just their design aesthetics [TS]

01:41:57 ◼   ► does not mess with me at all like I I just don't get it you know it doesn't do [TS]

01:42:01 ◼   ► anything for me a lot of them they seem like they're like made for like diving [TS]

01:42:06 ◼   ► there's so many of these big one of these like 10 mechanical watches that [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► are just like made for a like racing and diving and stuff like that their boats [TS]

01:42:16 ◼   ► are really made for that well but they look like that maybe people who would [TS]

01:42:19 ◼   ► like to think of themselves as someone who might go racing or dive but never [TS]

01:42:23 ◼   ► actually well right but then they have all this garbage all over the face and [TS]

01:42:27 ◼   ► it's like i don't know what that I i want something that just looks nice and [TS]

01:42:30 ◼   ► simple it's like the non-functional hood scoop on cars everything has connected [TS]

01:42:37 ◼   ► to anything was like if you had something that you know to have fresh [TS]

01:42:40 ◼   ► air forced into it that might make your engine more powerful you don't have one [TS]

01:42:44 ◼   ► of those but we can put a hold your head anyway and you'll feel cool so the watch [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► that I was referring to the cheapo watch that you should get is not the [TS]

01:42:51 ◼   ► Speedmaster I'm tryna get angry emails about that it's the Timex [TS]

01:42:55 ◼   ► weekender and I will put a link into the chat in the show notes this is what I [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► used to wear not this exact but not this band but it was the same face this was [TS]

01:43:04 ◼   ► used to watch it's a delightful simple classic watch that's honestly that's [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► nice I like that it's $25 in like the band the band is techno the band is [TS]

01:43:15 ◼   ► terrible i different than the interface is nice it's a nice watch so you could [TS]

01:43:19 ◼   ► try out your new found love of something else that's expensive in frivolous with [TS]

01:43:25 ◼   ► this $25 watch but now because it's Marco you gonna get something expensive [TS]

01:43:29 ◼   ► in frivolous that's right all those big expensive I specimens like you said [TS]

01:43:33 ◼   ► Casey did like the style for many fancy watches has just been to like to be like [TS]

01:43:39 ◼   ► just giant hunks of metal like I already find anything I marathon comfortable and [TS]

01:43:44 ◼   ► you just gonna make it worse by being filled it really heavy like hard jagged [TS]

01:43:49 ◼   ► lumpy medal just came to think about and and I have to risk and have weird shape [TS]

01:43:56 ◼   ► wrist watches enough sooner by a pocket watch you know what I would buy a pocket [TS]

01:44:01 ◼   ► watch a play which is another reference you guys don't get I would buy that but [TS]

01:44:04 ◼   ► I would not buy regular watch and we all have our vices and yeah I guess Mark [TS]

01:44:10 ◼   ► Anderson in here in need of another one did you figure out headphones now you [TS]

01:44:13 ◼   ► think about coffee figure out headphones may need some historic on the hunt for [TS]

01:44:16 ◼   ► headphones never satisfied so he's a new one comes out here we think this promise [TS]

01:44:20 ◼   ► maybe this will be the one that is lighter than my other phone but also [TS]

01:44:23 ◼   ► sounds good but has a better record that doesn't flake out but this but that like [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► like me and toasters [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► like me and toasters [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► plug in the current crop of lightning [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► maybe maybe not [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► of the phone is so much [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► well played [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► turns out USBC already supports analog [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► and that pretty much dooms [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► one because I think it would be useful [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [TS]