The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► in power [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► powerful than a ps3 [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► really old console and again [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► things like RAM [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► but look at the time span [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► in it [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► Sony all things considered [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

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00:08:03 ◼   ► week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► how to do that [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► last week [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► and Apple doesn't [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► something pretty relevant here [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► care so the only after receiving outpatient would would have had this [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► problem I'm trying to get the Mac App Store apps I have I guess I have Apple's [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► apps like you know [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► you know pages and all that stuff from Iraq speed and that I tend not to buy [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► the Mac App Store and that's that the second factor in this which is things [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like this especially for people who have no idea why this happened [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► make them feel worse about the Mac App Store and people who have any clue about [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► the details of the Mac App Store this widely make them avoid it more than they [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► did in the past I am avoiding it for a variety of reasons mostly because [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► they're you know the applications I use even when they were on the negative like [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► BBEdit I never bought the Mac App Store version because it was crippled by Sam [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► boxing because of Apple's rules over have a choice between buying the [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► crippled sandbox version and the non crippled version and another nine [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► crippled version gives more money to the developer by the Niagara provision every [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► time so it's what I've always done if there's any choice the one that and the [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► Mac App Store it's always been like that's convenient you know I don't care [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► that much about it it's not a big deal or it's free like slacker whatever you [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► know it's more convenient than going to direct download it like I would like to [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► have the experience where I just go to one place and see all my apps and auto [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► update them know that is something I'd like those features the Mac App Store [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► but perhaps they really count I'm definitely buying them outside but are [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► people who were more towards the Mac App Store the like you know what the [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► convenience is more important to me than like giving more money a developer and [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► the allegations I use don't suffer many soundbytes any issues and I really love [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► auto-update knows his stuff never mind the most Mac outside for the Mac App [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► Store already using spark or something like that anyway for people who know [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► about these details this is going to make them think twice because they're [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► like before the tradeoff is worth it to me I will buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► because the convenience is worth it to me for further potential downsides but [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► now they're weighing that can be very versus like you know this day when all [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► your absolute launch and you gotta figure out what the problem is and so [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► this is not good [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► both short-term and long-term for the Mac App Store which is already not a [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► particularly beloved institution as far as developers and tech-savvy users are [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► concerned that's the problem i mean it there's there are so many reasons [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► already why you might want to be hesitant about buying the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► and why developers might want to be hesitant to be in the Mac App Store and [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► to just to add one more thing the pilot just a really bad [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► and for that and it just seems like you know there is there's a good post by is [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► it is it Michael Tsai and he he he made a post called there's nobody minding the [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► store is basically like you know collecting all these quoted everything [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and pointing out just like the Mac App Store is just so neglected and it has [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► been since its introduction you know the iOS App Store has its own set of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► problems but the Mac App Store is so much worse in almost every way [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the fact that has a bug you know a certificate that's like one of many [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► problems with it that's only the most recent problem with it the application [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► itself the Mac App Store application is a disaster [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► the the sandboxing issues have pushed out tons of good apps Mac after [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► developers I i really feel sorry for the man and if I were launching a Mac App [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► I'm not sure I would put their like if you would have asked me a year ago if I [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► was on a Mac output in the App Store I'd say yeah probably you know what to do [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► with myself distributing it so he appeared in the App Store but today I [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► don't think I would it just seems like it's not worth all of the downsides and [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► costs it really depends if I was doing a Mac App I would say it really depends on [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► what kind of a bad is because if it's a small apt if it's free yepper is an app [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► that you think will never be impacted by Sam boxing and you just don't want to [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► deal with you no corroborating sparkle and putting up your own [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► and point for that and making sure it's up for the updates and doing payment [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► processing yourself and although the stuff that you have to do if you did the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► direct sales records say you you don't have an existing channel for direct [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► sales esophagus or not established software company or whatever it is [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► definitely convenient to use the Mac App Store but if your app in App that that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► wasn't true for even one of those things like could buy a potentially be impacted [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► by Sam boxing don't you know don't get the Mac App Store do already have a way [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► to accept money from people I don't need to make up store for that they already [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► know how to incorporate itself auto update and have a robust framework for [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► doing that already have a website that have to keep up with so I can put an end [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► point on for updates [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► than just you know there's no point if you feel like those things that you know [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► I'm not actually mad developers I don't know but part of a part of this whole [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► recent round of Mac App Store stuff in the TechNet circles with developers said [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► reiterating see guys this is why I'm not in the maggot star and users like the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► dayside thing writing out all the list of all the great Mac apps that are not [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► in the Mac App Store like the Mac App Store even though many people think of [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► it as the only and best and single place to get back software a lot of the Mac [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► software that uses really love love the best Mac software is just not on the Mac [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► App Store and obviously that's not true and I West because it's pretty much all [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► the software and I was on the App Store so it's always been in a comfortable [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► position with the Makassar because there is an alternate we all want there to be [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► an alternative that means the Mac App Store actually has to compete in the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► same way that the iTunes Music Store had to compete against piracy the Mac App [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► Store has to compete against direct sales and applications that can be more [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► powerful and do more powerful things and it's currently losing that competition [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► and even as a user everything and everything about the Mac App Store from [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► a user perspective has gotten worse over time you know first when he started [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► chanting sandboxing you know that not only put out a lot of apps that made us [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► home now we have to like exchange our license to go down to the directors and [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► everything so that that was a pain for for people who bought in early to the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► App Store and then when simpson came in now like I hate sandbox ABS [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► therapy [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► from the user side to use the guy I have a couple of one of them is called space [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► kremlin it helps like finally earlier just basis and you know it has to read [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► your whole hard drive and the convoluted hoops that applicants have to do is [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► click this button choose the root folder and every time you gotta like redo it I [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► know now it can't look at files that it's such a pain and FM user perspective [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► just like sandboxing is I don't understand the Security benefits of it [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► but if it's a very rarely used opt in system those are all those are pretty [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► limited and I don't think it's worth it as I really don't like the way it is the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► way to Mindanao and it's incredibly you know half-baked and seemingly completely [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► neglected way I don't want it as a user has one more thing and Essendon you had [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► something like this [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► like this receipt validation bug that made all my apps just break all of a [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► sudden like that's a big problem this what reason do I have as a user to buy [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► more after the Mac App Store after all the problems and and you know things [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► getting worse I i don't i don't see a good reason anymore but you stuck out [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► there can be no reason like the plate one place you can go for the updates and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► it's easy to buy things there I wish the Mac App Store should also make it easier [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► to install but they don't really but beyond that like this all the pros are [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► still there but the conscious keep stacking up in the constant go and the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► same boxing thing really like the main problem with that aside from all the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► bugs and all the other things that the poor Mac developers had to complain [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► about how you know I was gets better tools for crash reports and debugging [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and betas and testified know those anyway aside from all of that Mac App [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► Store sandboxing like ISSN boxing and everyone gets along with it because the [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► entire system the entire operating system the entire way of using the phone [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► has from the beginning [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► been built around the ideas and bison witches you know problems for data [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► sharing and silly like URL schemes to get around all these things like still [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► has some problems but it fits with the system on the Mac sandboxing flies in [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► the face of the entire history of the [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► platform and if you put sandboxing in that environment it it doesn't fit like [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► if your app happens to fit into a little nice and I think you're fine but this [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► whole classes of applications good useful applications that don't fit [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► within sandboxing and it's like it's almost like Apple saying we really rich [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► really wish that you didn't have to have at like this on your Mac we really [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► really wish the Mac was like I was and so they say maybe we make all the Mac [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► apps PC and box then the Mac will be just like the iPhone but it's not and so [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► like this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► demarco just mentioned you know Sean Reilly disk spaces could have like in [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► System Preferences a disk space usage thing that did the same thing that was [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► part of the operating system like settings is on and I they could but they [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► don't and Mac users do have to manage a story [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► storage and automatic because of the way it is it's difficult to tell where all [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► that space is going because you have a lot of files and folders and although [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► the stuff that again is not usable and I was so there is a place for applications [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that do this type of thing same thing for like dis duplicate things like super [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► duper and stuff that's the thing you don't have to do with pounds because [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► they've always had like love that the cloud backup now and are you back them [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► up the iTunes will just push the problem on your Mac or whatever you going to do [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► for the Mac we need a way to back it up and doing descanses a useful thing to do [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► and this client software needs to read the entire disk of course and sandboxing [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► makes it a pain it can be done but it's a it's a big super pain so you can't [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► like you can't make the mac as safe as iOS by merely just sayin applications [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► have to be sandbox all you can do is say some applications will be sandbox and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► it's good for them like it is a benefit to the user to have applications that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► can get outside their little pen and that they somehow get exploited or [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► broken or there's a bug in them or whatever they can do less damage but [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that other class of applications is never going to go away so long as the [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► Mac still is like it is long as the neck is still let you know an old style PC [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► operating system so I don't see what they can do about the tension of them to [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► you know make a tiered system and say sandboxes you can give you a special [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► label and store your sandbox and label if you're not instead they're just [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► stubbornly saying everything else [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the sandbox and if you can work in the sandbox we don't want your kind of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► application on our platform and at least the tech-savvy users are saying you may [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► not want that kind of application on the platform but I want that location [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► because I does useful things for me and so you make it no longer useful like [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► you'll never need to close this again because all your data is magically [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► backed up using quantum entanglement something great for you make it like iOS [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► and you know with no local backup option everything is a cloud backup are you [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► gotta give me some way to do all these things that are into something symbols [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► BBEdit where the text editor wants to be able to have like a file browser without [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► throwing a stupid open save dialog box in your face that you know the power box [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► thing to let you convince the system that you're allowed to access these [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► files like you know a program-best I'll text editor when you browse the whole [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► process is a useful thing to have because the Mac is a system that lets [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you have files and folders and exposed to a file system and you can't deviate [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► it is not useful if you can find to like a sandbox like environment all you're [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► doing is pushing the noise under the user to do silly things in the UI to [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► convince the system that yes please let me be added to the text files no matter [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► where they are in need to go you said he would it be nice if if Apple had [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► included something like spacecraft later my preferred at daisy dukes have you not [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► seen about this Mac and then the storage have which is super useful and is [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► telling me that of the three quarters of a terabyte I have fall about half of it [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► is either the usage visa denial is not very granular but at the granular on the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► level that I S Works perhaps you don't have direct access to managing the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► storage there it's like all you can do about it is delete an app and all that [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► goes with it maybe some apps you can go into the appetite to lead videos or [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► whatever you know but the granularity of the information provided by the settings [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► thing and iOS matches the granularity of the way you use iOS moralist the grand [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► idea the Mac for good or for ill is files and folders you know let me tell [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► you how much as music how much as video and how much is a giant yellow bar for [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► wonder how comes up with that a is not even a useful as I can be just not the [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► way the Mac works I need to know like I use it all the time especially backhand [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► upgraded my computer shit 256 gig as a state and I would need to like hunt down [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► you know some episode of My Little Pony that I didn't know her daughter [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► downloaded iTunes today get out of the iTunes folder and delete the damn thing [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► you know and you can do that sometimes some of the night but you know even just [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► discovered that many people make that the virtual memory sleep image can push [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► you over the years [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► your disk space unlimited right because when you get a machine with a lot of RAM [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► and a small SSD that really hard questions like do I really need the you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► know the Hibernate functionality justice able to use old South Bend is really [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► hope that it doesn't run out of battery was only answer it's really ugly and I [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► don't know what I when I saw that one password which just so happened to be [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the first thing that that reared its ugly head when I saw that that was [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► broken or well not broken but I saw that have been brought about the Mac App [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► Store I realized what was happening very quickly but that was only because I'd [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► seen some passing references to it on Twitter RSS what have you if I remember [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► right the dialogue though said something like oh this is all broke go free [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► download it and it doesn't even spell it says this application is damaged and you [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► should move into the trash right exactly and so the solution is free download [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► from the Mac App Store the process of doing so they couldn't have made it more [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► obtuse and and manual if they tried like that's the thing is that you know I kind [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► of know what I'm doing when it comes to using a computer I can't imagine someone [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► who doesn't follow this stuff I mean it's not that hard to go to the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► Applications folder and drag it to the trash then go back to Mac App Store but [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that dialogue to your point Marco didn't really make it clear what the correct [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► order of operations are corrected tasks was to fix this issue and it's just it [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► was like one of you said it was a disaster from top to bottom it was the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► disaster all the way down and and it's a little frustrating that the most Apple [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► did was say well you know screwed up but we'll fix it don't worry you know the [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► thing is they have all the info [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► dialog box they have all the information on the system to fix that in one breast [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► if the system things that the application damages should be thrown in [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► the trash [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► there could be one button that says would you like me to redownload this [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► cause I know exactly what it is and I know that you purchased it and I can put [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► in the trash and I can be downloaded for you because I know everything about like [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► the guineas like that the same thing with uninstall I get the install process [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► really is drag it to the trash was not a big honking uninstall button in the Mac [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► App Store app so anyway [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► a lot of his neglect of just like things they could do and they don't do you [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► speak in the collect our tipster in the chatroom insist loudly and has been [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► since this time that's happened at this bug about the certificate cashing has [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► already been reported there's already a radar for it and it's been around since [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► I was 10 10.6 that's uncomfortable and has not been texting again it's tips or [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► information so take with a grain of salt but there's not but it's it's the you [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► know it feels bad when your platform is not getting attention and various times [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► Apple has ignored the Mac and then sell it said that like you know we really [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► care about the Mac were paying a lot of attention to end done lots of important [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► things to the Mac but they're still areas particularly around the Mac App [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► Store especially as it compares to the regular App Store that just feels [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► neglected and you know how many people do you think are actually tasked with [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► working on this kind of thing that Apple right now [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► like you know Apple's teams are always lots more than you think they are and [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► apple also has has this cut this very frequent habit that from what I hear is [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► is worse than ever [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► where engineers get pulled off with things all the time to go work on some [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► new projects need more engineering resources that is a newer thing or more [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► important to the current direction of the company or current business goals so [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► people can move around the time and there is usually you know either nobody [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► left working on boring stuff at the Mac App Store or a surprisingly small staff [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► like it might be like a handful of people doing some things have like one [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► person working on me know it's so a bug like that like it's it's not that like [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the Mac App Store staff just didn't [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► you know is so big that they were it's more likely that almost no one's working [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► on this and that like an Apple keeps having problems like this where the [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► boring old stuff gets these kinda like either gets ignored forever and bugs [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► like this around four years or he gets like these drive-by updates like [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► somebody comes in [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► it's all things like Discovery Day is a perfect example of this but we hear the [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► El Cap USB stack might be something like this [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► certainly we're hearing that the account Disk Utility is probably something like [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► this where it's kind of a drive by update where somebody is finally allowed [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► to work on it and told to like you know revamping cleaning up a rewrite it or [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► something and you get like one pass it and what comes out is like 75% [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► functional and then that person is gone incentive to work on something else and [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► it like this this is not the recipe for quality at all it's the complete [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► opposite of what you should be doing and it is not even an efficient way to run [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► an engineering organization Michigan some of the hundred developers Instagram [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► who don't have time to make an iPad up for Twitter cut itself which is set for [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► all the people lost their jobs but they had and still do have a very large [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► number of people i mean to some degree I can kind of explain what we're never [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► understand that they've got a server-side components everyone everyone [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► throws a big developer numbers of these companies they envision all these people [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► working on the iOS app when Shirley perhaps the majority of them are working [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► on backend stuff but the number of developers in these large BC funded [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► companies hire lots of really smart people to work on one or two flagship [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► mobile applications and then you compare them to the like one or two person [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► independent shops writing competing third-party applications like how how [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► his Twitter have literally 100 iOS developers making their their iOS [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► Twitter client [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► terrific has two people and you look at the two applications and you think their [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► peers like they seem about the same [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► right one of them is made by the company that makes the thing and it made by two [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► guys and so I just a middleman month at a certain point adding more people [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► doesn't help and then you know this committee syndrome and people are you [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► know you can actually make any changes whitewater to its credit has been saying [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► that they're trying to you know become more efficient or whatever but Apple [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► seems to have the opposite problem we're like Marco said every story we hear is [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► you know there's actually one guy who's responsible for these three applications [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and to give her release he does to minor updates each one fix some bugs and [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► that's about it you know [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► Crashers first and everything else at this time and there's gotta be something [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► in the middle there where you have a reasonable number of people empowered to [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► make good decisions to not just make a product but to continue to make it [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► year after year after year like the hard way teams surely it's not like they took [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► the you know the iPhone for a center said every year let's make my time do [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► anything except for to fix a broken home button right now to make a whole new [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► phone and they go you know the hardware gets better and better and better [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► the software depending on what it is can spend years without really moving inside [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► yet the Mac does have a lot of applications and some don't really [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► change much year after year even when we feel like they should like maybe it's ok [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► the terminal application doesn't change dramatically from year to year but the [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► Mac App Store that everyone agrees has all these problems should really be [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► getting more attention on Xbox of this week is mail route mail route really [TS]

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00:35:45 ◼   ► hosts I viewed as myself now for about a year I think and it is amazing I've [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► never seen spam filtering this could I use this I recommend this personally [TS]

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00:36:02 ◼   ► I was skeptical at first I'll tell you I was very skeptical of putting some other [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► service in front of my email because email is very important for a lot of [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► things and I i recognize that and so I was skeptical for a while and then once [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► I tried it blew me away how good it was it removed any doubt I've never had any [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► problems with them and the performance of the city of their spam filtering is [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► really something else I have never seen anything like it I have tried so many [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► other options [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► server-side rules most email hosts including fast mail have lots of spam [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► filtering options on server side you can do it made them can get quite [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► sophisticated honestly but even they were never as good as when I get from [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► mail route today and we have to put almost no effort into it whatsoever I [TS]

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00:36:58 ◼   ► for your business for yourself you can be dramatically useful to people who run [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► their own servers as you can really cut back on the resources on your servers [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► and probably even the number of servers you have your own a big companies email [TS]

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00:37:33 ◼   ► ok so the long national nightmare is over you have acquired an apple pencil I [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► have yes we have the iPad pro and we have the front smart cover only cause I [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► couldn't i couldn't bring myself to spend $140 to cover the back as well [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► could face up to $400 buying a pencil so we now have iPad pro and the Apple [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► pencil and I love using the iPad Apple pencil however I am not much of an [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► artist I wish I had more reasons to use it [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► fortunately my wife is an artist and does use it and she's had a lot of [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► experience with it so please welcome on the show our return guests Tiffany are [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► meant I'm not an artist a dabbler [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► the artist formerly known as to assure you you're much better artist than I and [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► i know john has doubled in the past as well as I won't speak for him on that [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► certainly better than me and I think it's safe to say better than Marco so [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► your ears we got for now anyway I don't know Marquez drawings are pretty amazing [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► like his stick figures are killer Casey two-caliber gonna say given randall [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Munroe a run for his money not that good you made that awesome little decaf sign [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► with that said coffee mug that was super funny I can occasionally make it one [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► decent dry I love his drawings I think we have to get rid of the idea that you [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► have to you have to pass some skill threshold to have a reason to use any [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► sort of artistic employment I agree no matter what it is that you're doing it [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► there's not like nothing bad will happen to you if you quote unquote can't draw [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► and you start dealing with the style like we all do it all again the margins [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► are no books and everything just if it's fun to do and you find it relaxing and [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► meditated like I'm sure someone to have an incredible make the adult coloring [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► book application for the iPad and it'll get it she will love it and I know there [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► is no like you don't have to I know Marcos looking for something useful [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► productive but if it's relaxing and fun to do you can try to meet you actually [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► have any interest you can get better at it by practicing and learning about it I [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► guess just like any other skill that I for the longest time I didn't even start [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► doing anything because I was afraid to be bad and everyone's bad at first [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► though it was kind of a stupid fear but that's a kept me from even trying to [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► draw anything ever and so recently I decided you know I'm like 32 years old [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► I'm tired of being afraid of being bad [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► mad at something that I don't even know how to do this by the way listen to this [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► week's back to work which is basically entirely on that topic it's really [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► alright alright pencils that I've already broken I was about to say he [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► took the words right out of my mouth so how long did the pencil last from from [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► the time you had opened the cover of the box to its actually initial breakage [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► about five seconds literally like I opened the box and I was looking at the [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► little card cause this comes at this card that also has inserts in it which [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► is on top of the pencil so I open that up in first I was pulling out what the [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► card was the box flipped over the pencil fell out of the box it fell unto our [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► floor and it the cap popped off this little silver ring popped off the cap in [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► their pieces everywhere so but it turned out that functional it's just the body [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► of it was broken as a fair to say well the little tiny cap has this little tiny [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► silver ring that goes inside of it and it seems to be held on by nothing but [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► like a dot of glue so it just probably fell the worst way possible because not [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► very tight in the case and in the box when it comes so it just kind of flipped [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► out in that little tiny ring popped up in the market has since super glued it [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► back on and but I know it still feels funny to me I mean the Holst the whole [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► pencil even with the ring in place the cap is not really fit tightly they came [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► in so many ways this pencil was like not designed for practicality which is a [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► shame because it feels really good I can use it it works incredibly well as we [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► get to but you know I expressed concern earlier even when they when they first [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► announced it that like there was there's nowhere to put it for one thing because [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► no way to attach it to your put it into any kind of cover for the iPad that [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► exists so far which is so frustrating because where else you can use this [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► pencil nowhere nowhere else is essential to be used anywhere besides with this [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► MacBook Pro so why not attach it you crazy people right and and so and the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► cap so if you want to charge this thing you know we also expressed concern when [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► they first showed the soft two months ago whenever we also expressed concern [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► that you put it in the end of the end you put in the lightning port that is [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► just asking to be broken off that is so precarious and looks weird first of all [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► but just so ridiculous and and it seems like possibly last minute they added [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► this like this double female lightning adapter that's in the box you can you [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► can use it to reverse the orientation Attorney General lightning plug on it so [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► that you can charge it from a lightning cable which is way more scene and I [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► understand why they did it whatever you can't remember if you only have the iPad [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► in the pencil with you and you need a quick charge you can get one quickly [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► just from the iPad it's nice to have that ability I guess but that also [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► should be the primary charge it and so I get that last second and it isn't the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► problem is when you're charging it if you plug it in like yo overnight [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► sometime if you're charging it when you put the cap you can magnetically [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► attached the cap to the one of the smarter and smarter than them you can [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► stick the little captain its kind of wobbly really is designed to be in [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► Johnny Ives white world and it and like it doesn't it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► rolled around in the way he won't find it so you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► rolling off the desk is it is weightless off a desk but it is it seemed like it [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► just made at every opportunity to break or get lost in like even when it's in [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the iPad to charge it had it lightning connector is extra long and it fits [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► fairly loosely [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► like it's just everything about it is like loose and just waiting to either [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► break or get lost while the Cabaret almost went into the vacuum and the rate [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► of the air conditioner vent our house about two hours after I broke its I'm [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► doing really great right now so I'm hearing a since they're so plentiful you [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► should just just jumped on down to the local Apple store and get a couple of [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► backups because nobody's looking to buy a dozen and keep them in a big jar so [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► you lose one pencil box like ran i mean they're cheap they're plentiful no no [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► problems they're gonna sell so many things because people if you if you [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► actually use it regularly [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► I would guess you have to buy a new and probably once a year so so you know at [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► least maybe even more depending on how careless you are a few things are you [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► know if you lose things lot like you couldn't have designed to be to be less [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► practical for like forgetfulness or clumsiness if that makes sense I'm not [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► that clumsy or I never lose things I know where everything is in the house [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► down to like the little tiny piece of anything I know where it is and losing I [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► can't believe how I comedy of errors happened yesterday when we got ahold of [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► ya so like we actually so I I had pre-ordered where i read online that has [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it has a ship date of like mid December and I wanted soon as I kept like you [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► know going into the stores until they had it and then I got I was able to get [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► there but I'm not gonna cancel that pre-order for the for the one I think we [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► need a spare and is it gonna be good to use have been buzzing find out if you [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► can draw on the screen with two pencils once thats Wow alright soon now that you [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► have a slightly damaged but otherwise functional pencil what is it like to use [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► and if you wouldn't mind can you set the stage as to describe you know what you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► would normally do that's artistic with a pen or pencil you know where you are you [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► drawing your own Rembrandt's or you just drawing stick figures I presume it [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► somewhere in between [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► well never gonna like sketching which i think the pencil I feel like it really [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► excels at it from you know actually developed a new signature if anyone has [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► seen it on Twitter recently which is what I decided to do first with my [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► pencil is the most important thing develop your signature for your iPad are [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► you writing checks from you if it's like naming your band in high school before [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► you actually like practiced once forgotten to get my arm and i got my [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► names that was actually really fun to do on the pencil and it from what I've [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► tested three programs now and that whatever it is it's really depending on [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the program and your level of skill with using these type of programs on how [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► great the pencil fields I do allow watercolor in real life not digitally [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► and so trying to [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► to replicate that in a lot of programs as a little bit iffy obviously because [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► you have you know you're dealing with like ink flowing and and pigment in the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► water and dilution and transparency so that's a little tricky but the pencil [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► actually makes it really fun to play with on the iPad and with some medium [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► like trying to replicate a medium that's more solid the pencil really really [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► excels in it feels extremely fluid it doesn't detect your hand at all which is [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► really amazing and when you say it doesn't take your hand you mean if your [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► hand is on there it's not also drawing it smart enough to throw away the hand [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► portion yet [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah it will detective fingertip if you accidentally remove a fingertip around [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► but with most of these programs as you know like a race and backs though it's [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► not like a ruining anything but with the palm detection is really like you can [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► rest your hand on the iPad pro and draw and it doesn't it doesn't detect it [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► doesn't smear anything it as a you know digitally smear under no mere so [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► something else I don't know I'm from the island so you should I do I think it's [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► really really enjoyable and so far I've done a number of sketches with it and I [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► keep wanting to do more I almost fell asleep last night [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► cradled next to me intimate but yeah I'm really enjoying it [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► COO of the city views with it what would you say is your favorite and corollary [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► to that is that the best app for the pencil or do you just like the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► experience with that app the most well-marked petunia ones on today and [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► before that I was using Adobe's sketches that would I was using and then today [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you put on what did you put on a pro bono procreate and Jesus Japanese name [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that I forgot of another very popular schedule [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► anyway so I was just recently just trying with those just before the show [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and they have more of a learning curve I think because they're really involved [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► for artists that know what they're doing the Adobe sketch one was pretty easy to [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► master right away [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► being a newbie using the pencil newbie to art you felt like you were [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► accomplishing a real work you know like you not just a little sketch that you're [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► going to delete it doesn't matter if you really felt like you could do it the [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► other ones they have so many changes and buttons inflows and this and that the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► interface is a little bit trickier to navigate if you don't know what you're [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► doing but I feel like that those other programs are the programs that you would [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► move onto after you kind of mastered how to manipulate the pencil with different [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► mediums that are available and a lot of these programs and the name I was [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► forgetting before it was a tie a tie Suu sketches I actually went to the Apple [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► store this past weekend and spent maybe a minute may have two minutes using the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► pencil I did ask one of the employees if they had any in stock and they basically [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► left my face I mean they were much nicer about it and that that that was the [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► message was he had now but I did play with briefly I only used the notes out [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► and again I'm no artist but I thought it was cool I thought the tilting the [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► pencil on its side the lake shade was kind of neat but I don't know why but [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the thing that blew my freaking mind was when I got the Notes app out and I and I [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► put on the the on-screen ruler have you played with the staff no I haven't so in [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the Notes app you can bring up in on-screen ruler ended behaves like you [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► have a ruler on the page it's not perfect because there's no physical [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► barrier to keep you from you know flinging the pencil across your iPad but [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► it does oh really darn good mimic of water rulers like it it's so stupid and [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► I know why found that some press it [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► but I just thought it was really really really cool see you mean I keep the line [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► straight correct right so you can draw up against the ruler and have a [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► perfectly straight line and you can you know spin the ruler round as he spent a [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► total of it shows what angle it's at and it was just very very neat I don't know [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► why I personally would ever need to do that but I just thought it was so well [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► implemented and so well done I also went to the store recently got to play with [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► the pencil I was the first thing I was struck by was in the Apple Store the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► pencils not hatch for things like it's not attached with the little bankers you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► know little metal beaded chain thing it is just loose in a little creative thing [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► is I have to imagine those things are walking out the door like crazy at Apple [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► especially when they are rare but anyway I did get to try it [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► although the first thing that confuses me with a conveyor why wasn't working to [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► do is paired with the one like they had the pencil in the middle of two iPad [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► pros it was paired with the other ones I just plugged into my thing and repair it [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► was just nice that feature that repairing feature is cool and comes in [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► handy to know the stupid Bluetooth thing to parents using it I experienced things [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► we talked about a Pashos varies widely my appt some of them are slow some of [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► them are fast the Notes app was the fastest one that I tried because they [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► had a bunch of different apps installed on it it was fun it was interesting to [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► note that the pencil tool that's both look like a pencil to keep saying like [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► oh you can tell to do shading and stuff like that that is the one part of the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► notice that that felt the least like real media to me and my my biases that I [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► have habits in my you know my hands and you know my mind and my body from using [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► real pencils and stuff for many many years when I was a kid and every time I [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► use anything that involves like drawing on a tablet screen or whatever it's [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► almost as if it was farther away from the real thing out few more comfortable [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► because then I wouldn't be trying to use the the you know the the motions and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► gestures that I'm used to from the real physical world of art media but the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► pencils close enough to real media that I expected to look work more like a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► pencil and that still shaking thing just does not work anything like an actual [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► pencil and so I was continually frustrated by the fact that I had to [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► stop myself from do [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► I would do with an actual pencil and start doing with this pencil demands in [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► particular I found that a lot of the ones that I draw I draw with the pencil [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► tilted at such an angle that the accelerometers in the pencil think I [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► want to do shading but in reality but the real physical pencil on paper I'm [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► still just using the tape and I find that very frustrating and maybe have to [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► change how I was doing everything to be more directly into the into the screen [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► to make sure it doesn't then line if I could disable the shaving thing or [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► change like the ratio but don't even start shaving thing until I'm super [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► tilted over yeah that really bother me a lot but that's just that I think that is [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► more of a barrier of like people who are good at using computers to draw it is [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► actually I think it'd be different enough skill from people are going to [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► using you know pencils or pens or paints or any other me like the media really [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► think that you're using the medium really does change how you think so if I [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► got one of these and I was actually using it to draw I think I would have to [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► have a learning curve to learn how to use this tool to draw in the same way [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► that you learn how to use in the leg while pastels vs oil paid Services [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► acrylics or anything like that but bottom line is I feel like this could [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► this could could be used to very easily be used by someone to do their work as [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► an artist because it is so close to in terms of responsiveness you know the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► real pencil it so much closer than all the things I've used in the past I have [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► heard from actual artist even the people are using the top of the line current [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► generation tablet type things that it's pretty good at either better than or at [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► least as good as the existing tablet technology so good job for Apple and its [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► first try [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► alright its first right not counting the new and once again for new number desk [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you feel bad when I say this first try not to noon doing really good pen input [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► for us but it also depends [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► the pencil feels really nice like it doesn't cramp your hand while you're [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► using it which is great it is very comfortable and before when I was using [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► the iPad pro I felt the weight of the iPad perot all the time without the [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► pencil so I was sitting with a we are watching movies I tried to read with it [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► some people think that that's awesome [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► the reading experience is really great I found it [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► it awful on the iPad pro it is way too big but when I was getting with the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► pencil I the way it just kind of disappeared and I kind of didn't notice [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► it and it felt so natural and great to have this really big screen so my [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► experience with the iPad throw itself without the pencil was a disaster and I [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► i kno wasn't sure I even wanted it to keep it and I didn't I played with it [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► for a few hours and then I kinda left it on the table you know I didn't I wasn't [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► interested in using it any further than that because it felt just too heavy too [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► big too much stuff going on or too little stuff with the home screen icon I [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► end but as soon as I got the pencil it has been in my lap every free moment [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► that I can possibly find do not subscribe to any magazines like the [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► digital or otherwise I think magazines like you know I don't know I was [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► described to Martha Stewart's magazine actually but she filled it all up with [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► ads like her real magazine and now it's horrible to read and the ads move on the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► digital ones though it was worth it that's a no I don't I tried to read some [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► did some didn't really slow so I tend to prefer the paper ones my wife read some [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► magazines on her iPad she still thinks you are many to get a full size one and [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► I can imagine the best application as I'd like comic books like that for a big [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► gigantic iPad would be magazines with big big illustrations or photos like a [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► photography magazine nature magazine fashion magazine a car magazine like I [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► could see those being amazing but I mean when I read romance novels I really [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► don't want that very large and visible to everyone in the way you can think [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► about it for the iPad Pro for reading is if you would [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► could imagine yourself comfortably reading a paper book of that size is [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► great for the soul of the magazines that paper magazines are especially the very [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► large ones like magazine before they get made it crappy but anyway you know I [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► don't have big bogus these days but there are magazines that are very large [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► and it's a sure I can do that but novels are paper books paperback size usually [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► even hardcovers [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► are not as big as the iPad pro in most cases most of paperbacks that I myself [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► even the biggest ones I have up here are more or less for iPad air two sides not [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► iPad process so it is a little over sized but others have last week the [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► whole ideas maybe not for reading novels or anything you can have other stuff on [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► the screen at the same time so you can bounce back and forth between Twitter [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► and flipping through the latest issue of you know car driver or whatever and [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► that's the general theme that that we found so far the iPad perot is like it's [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► really good for certain things but that is it doesn't overlap completely with [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► what the smaller iPads are really good at like you would think that that the [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► what that what the iPad probe agree that would be a strict superset and where it [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► would include everything the small ones are good at plus also some new stuff and [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► I don't that's actually the case and that's ok you know it in the same way [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► that like a 17 inch MacBook Pro may rest in peace is not great at everything you [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► want a laptop to be too to be four you know if you want to be using it on a [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► plane or if you want to carry it around the time 17 inch MacBook Pro is not that [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► great for that that doesn't mean that the entire MacBook Pro line has to be [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► small thin and light you know so now we're reaching the point with the iPad [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► lineup that it has substantial differentiation between the models now [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► and that's okay you can't just be sure that if you like one of the iPad's you [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► can't be sure that the next one up will be better in every way for you to if if [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► you work to do to your parents house for a few days would you bring it with you a [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► really good question probably not because I don't have time to sit and get [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► or draw or paint anything so I never brought my painting supplies there even [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► though I have travel ones so probably not but I would bring my regular size [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► iPad because sometimes I do like to read when I'm [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► they're like during naps their evening or out of town but so so no probably [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► wouldn't because this really pick two and the internet connections of the [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► great I'm assuming since you wouldn't bring it to mom and dads that you [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► probably wouldn't bring it on like a trip or something like that like let's [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► say you know tested as European delivery which I understand makes no sense and [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► you guys maybe all of us go again would you bring this on that sort of a trip [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► now I wouldn't I wouldn't because I'm not a digital artist I'm just now [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► learning and getting interested in trying to do it because it is just like [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► john was saying it's very different holding a stylist to a screen and trying [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► to get it to mimic [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► moving or a brush with bristles that are dynamic and move-in swirl translating [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► that if they if that's what you want to do is you want to paint something [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► satisfying that doesn't happen on the iPad but if you want to do something [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► create a digital piece of art which I find is is just like another medium [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► until you know yet paint you have pencil you have digital are like it's just [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► another way to do it and there is another set of skills that you need to [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► learn and develop so if I got into that then yeah I would see myself carrying [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► this with me to accomplish that task if I want to create a digital Journal of a [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► trip I was going on but as of right now no because I'm just not enough I'm not [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► skilled enough but I can definitely see a place for it for other people but for [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► me it's it's just too big a digital journals like that that is a thing that [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► people should aspire to make the iPad probe into a good tool for alleged terms [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► of people some people do this as a people don't like to like a while you're [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► on the trip so you're going on a trip to Europe while you there at like at the [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► end of each day that you take the photos off your camera put them right into your [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► iPad 4 with the USB port that will talk about it a little bit maybe use the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► various applications available on the iPad pro to compose it a cool in a web [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► page or slide show or a movie or something you can share with everybody [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► else in at the end of each day you would send out to your family or whoever is [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► interested [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► here's how are you know second day in italy was right or just even just to be [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► working on it so that by the time you come home from the trip you have [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► everything sort of assembled together into whatever form that you decide you [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► want to share your trip with a series of pictures or a slide show or a movie or a [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► web page with a bunch of pictures and blog post all the type of things that we [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► all know that we can do with computers and websites a lot of I think the [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► existing image of the iPad in most people's mind and then the reality for [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► most people other than maybe she is that the best way to synthesize all these [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► different things [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► photos video text web stuff you know [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► emailing people compiling all that information [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► the best way to do that is still on a Mac and I see no reason the iPad pro [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► can't be as good or better at almost all those things especially with the stylist [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► in but if you want to add take pictures like a magic arranging pictures in a lot [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► like an application let you sort of vilification album where you could hand [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► right underneath the things little captions in the more personal if you see [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► me running than typing in captions for things and being able to touch things [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► and drag things around as if they were actually photos in a real scrapbooking [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► stuff they had pro- be perfect for that but that it that's only promise at this [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► point I'm sure their applications that do this but like bringing it all [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► together [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► touch stylus photography importing multiple applications working on a [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► single thing and then sharing out everybody I don't think we're there yet [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► but I totally think we could be an iPad pro would be the perfect device for that [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► the others do doubt that the iPad Pro will make that experience way better for [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► everyone anyone who really likes doing that is already kind of doing that on a [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► laptop so you I feel like the people who are committed to doing that kind of [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► thing that work on the go vacation journaling or you know scrapbooking and [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► sending it out to family it's going to open up to a lot more people with the [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► iPad because it becomes way more accessible but it's again it's another [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► thing you have to be into doing I felt you know for me in the end of you know [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► in the evening the stuff when I'm on vacation and doing stuff I kind of just [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► want to read Twitter put my own photo on Instagram [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► move on you know like committing to all of that work while on vacation I think [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► takes a certain type of person and that person that's going to really grab hold [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► of this kind of device and run with it the best kind of technology actually [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► changes habits little bit so a lot of us for not having people who made family [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► movies of anything but when I movie came out and it made it simple and fun to [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► make a quick little movie even in turn downtown me how about a movie is not [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► simple and it is not find every christmas is like iMovie stress how in [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► this household I make a Christmas movie every year with a stop motion video of [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► us unwrapping gifts and stuff and it is held every time and am also very upset [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► that there aren't any new themes ever ever ever ever get my point is that that [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► those applications down applications made people who would never even [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► consider doing that [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► tried at least once a whole bunch of people tried it and we're more or less [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► successful and some percentage ratio 50% or whatever people who did not suddenly [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► become people who make videos for every occasion their life but they did it [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► maybe once maybe twice right because the application suddenly made it possible it [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► wasn't like well I can't make a video of my family all I can do is shoot the [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► video record to my little you know VHS are many TV or whatever and then we can [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► all watch it from start to end its interminable but I'm never gonna edit [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► this video is another video editor and the early days of the iLife suite made [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► it so that regular people who are never considered his video editors suddenly [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► had a tool in their house that they could use to edit a little video and try [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► to find it really difficult and you make crappy videos but it did it once to [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► twice and I feel like the iPad perot would stop putting everything could take [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► people who would never in a million years go through all the work to do it [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► on a laptop and know how to synthesize all that stuff and make it that there's [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► one or two good applications the iPad robust our support maybe someone who [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► isn't one of those people who makes at the end of every vacation day brings [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► their I pepper with them and tried it once and sends out a nice things like [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► that so I'm talking about I could sit small stakes but technology can [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► sort of like lower the barrier to entry to the point where people who are never [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► going to be serious about it still will like dabble for a second or two and find [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► out yet there still isn't for me but had me this cool thing out of it and that's [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► exactly how I feel now about the digital art before I never even considered ever [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► ever ever trying to do anything digital and because this thing kind of appeared [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► and Marco buys everything so it things appear it peaked my interest into trying [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► this meaning that I've never would have tried before because I'm not gonna go [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► out and purchase the tablet and purchased you know even though I do have [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► a table we have one of those guys we have everything but we've had a Wacom [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► tablet sitting in the closet for about five years I try to do anything it was [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► awful so for me but I'm not gonna go out and get a program and learn it but with [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► this it just feels so accessible and attainable to learn how to do at least a [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► base level of of this kind of thing so I Pad Pro ultimate at home iPad yes at [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► home might add me I would even say also like you know it's a little bit this [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► last week to Buddha my my father time playing with that just reinforces this I [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► think it's the kind of thing where if you were already using an iPad for [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► productivity kind of work then this will probably be even better for you you know [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► if you if you are already doing like email and documents and spreadsheets and [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► and stuff like that in on an iPad before then this will probably be an [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► improvement but it is it is it is kind of like a laptop in that way like it if [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► it has replaced your laptop or you know or if it is almost replace your laptop [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► already before you had an iPad pro then yes this is probably the device for you [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► or if you have some of these like you know nice creative uses if you plan to [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► use the pencil if if you could make use of such a thing [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► this is also gonna be amazing for you if you are currently using an iPad with a [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► keyboard and you want a better larger keyboard this will probably meeting for [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► you as well we haven't we don't have the keyboard so we can really say how good [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► they are many people [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► already but if you if you're using your iPad primarily for content consumption [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► or if you're like me and you can't quite figure out when to use your iPad for the [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► most part then it's more of a mixed bag it's it's not a guarantee this will be [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► better for you and it isn't a guarantee that that you would date you would be [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► happy with it you got it so that is still up in the air but I will say that [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► for the things that is good at like that pen input it is it is so good that like [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► for me as as a long time [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► iPad skeptic and just kind of not having much use for my iPad's I want a reason [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► to use it I i actually and motivated to try to use it and it really into it [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► because using the pencil is just so damn fun I won't ask that to Casey because if [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► you're if you're the guy here who says he does not do art stuff right and I [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► cracked John does a little bit I know market is a little bit he's a liar and a [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► no idea but for you does this entry cue to start possibly playing around and [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► seeing if you want to learn how to draw and to start that learning on the iPad I [TS]

01:09:34 ◼   ► don't think so I mean to be fair I've only played at the pencil like I said [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► for him editor to it was not very much at all and I thought it was neat but it [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► struck me as the sort of thing that I would think this is really need for a [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► week or two and then I'd probably never look at it again now who knows maybe in [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► a week or two I would get bit by the art bug if you will and then I would never [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► put it down but my guess is I would think shiny new need for a week maybe [TS]

01:10:01 ◼   ► two and then I would just never look never looked back and I wish I wish I [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► could do it somebody had asked TIFF have a photography work and I think this is [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► this is worth touching on briefly would you use it for photography is so why if [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► not why not I guess right now not because the way I added my photos it's [TS]

01:10:21 ◼   ► very very heavy in Photoshop [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► and the I feel like just the power and the hardware needed to run the Photoshop [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► that I like to run when I get my photos is just not there on the iPad I could [TS]

01:10:42 ◼   ► see it because if if it end if they end of translating onto the iPad with the [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► touch interface it might be interesting to do but I don't know the precision of [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► some of the Photoshop actions that I do really probably would not translate that [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► gray and for me I have to edit photos if anyone else is out there who is a [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► photographer or edit photos you know that if you use a different screen for [TS]

01:11:09 ◼   ► editing your photos not screen that you have calibrated with a printer that you [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► use or they are used to working with you can move photos from one device to [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► another and the colors will be all wrong that you have worked on so you could sit [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► and you can work on a picture for you know twenty minutes if you're traveling [TS]

01:11:29 ◼   ► at all over the place in putting filters on and taking them off like I do like an [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► insane person because I'm crazy but if you do that you would have no one device [TS]

01:11:38 ◼   ► and you put it on another and then all of a sudden it's not what you wanted it [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► to be which that frustration exist when I get for voters to clients and they [TS]

01:11:45 ◼   ► don't have the right color but I've found a way to fix that anyway but it's [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► just it's not right now I right now it's not accessible on the the level that i'm [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► i'm playing with here and I think that a lot of other people feel that too but if [TS]

01:11:59 ◼   ► you're just doing you know you're moving some sliders around which the majority [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► of our family photos that's all that it needs then it is pretty accessible but I [TS]

01:12:07 ◼   ► don't like having my photos into places where we actually have something of a [TS]

01:12:11 ◼   ► generous about that there was this thing and Macworld [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► about the display quality color accuracy of the iPad pro vs the surface Pro for [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► and other things and I've ever didn't come out that wellness test not that [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► there's no bad screen cities are all good screens but the 704 edged out and [TS]

01:12:28 ◼   ► forget but the company is that does this [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► the test all the display is just a mate I believe historically Apple has been [TS]

01:12:35 ◼   ► weird with with the displays because it's you know that they always displays [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► as those beautiful display of ever put in a blah blah blah like they always say [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► they're great they don't tend to differentiate but whenever anyone does [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► any actual testing with the color meter some models of devices have super [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► accurate displays and some have not so accurate ones and it doesn't follow any [TS]

01:12:55 ◼   ► particular lines like I think they were saying like the best screen Apple had [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► ever put on was like I'm one of the many is there something yet at the most [TS]

01:13:02 ◼   ► recent iPad Mini Mini for ya so they're all pretty good but you know but there [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► is enough variance that would be saying is surely it's not just like that you [TS]

01:13:12 ◼   ► know even equally good they can be different than a calibrated but then [TS]

01:13:17 ◼   ► some cases just like the screen can display the same range of colours at [TS]

01:13:21 ◼   ► that screen Canzano Amanda calibrations ever gonna make them look the same same [TS]

01:13:24 ◼   ► it's also interesting that they have the nice TCPIP 310 bit screens on the on the [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► new iMacs but that has that didn't make it into the iPad pro I wonder and even [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► support standard colors and that's one of the reasons why but it'd be [TS]

01:13:42 ◼   ► interesting to see if and when that gets added to iOS that could really help as [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► well yeah it's not that I Mac Pro but it's got the good screen but the iPad [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► pro not something I mean obviously have different strengths or handheld device [TS]

01:13:54 ◼   ► like who knows what the requirements are you know that extra little bit of color [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► accuracy and ended 10 been arranged everything maybe it's just not feasible [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► at all in a handheld battery-powered device yet again will be nice though but [TS]

01:14:05 ◼   ► anyway or any other questions for 240 just in general terms like thumbs up [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah I really like it and I think that I'm going to develop liking it even [TS]

01:14:16 ◼   ► more because as I get better [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► the you know doing the digital art thing that I think I think it's going to [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► become more and more useful as a another tool of hobby I think you know it's not [TS]

01:14:30 ◼   ► my profession at all so it's it's very much a hobby tool but it's it's pretty [TS]

01:14:35 ◼   ► darn fun one also my thanks for coming on sharing with us and thanks for having [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► me guys are found a spot for this week is automatic automatic is it connected [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► car adapter that plugs into your car's diagnostic port and integrated over 20 [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► different apps plus their own apt to give you tons of functionality and a [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► better driving experience go to automatic home / ATP to see for yourself [TS]

01:14:59 ◼   ► get 20% off now you can check your check engine light if if you have any kind of [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► engine error code automatic will explain to you in plain English what is going on [TS]

01:15:07 ◼   ► and certain area code you can just pick something and then automatically [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► actually clear the warning after you fixed it also gives you a lot of trips [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► he takes who you can you can track things for business if you need to log [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► your miles your business or if you're curious about your your gas mileage fuel [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► efficiency can help you track all of that you know track your parking [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► location you never lose your car and if you if you need help in an emergency if [TS]

01:15:31 ◼   ► you have an accident [TS]

01:15:33 ◼   ► automatic can automatically call the emergency services for you in an [TS]

01:15:36 ◼   ► accident that's really really great benefits here now they also recently [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► launched apps and a whole SDK so if you get automatic com slash at you can [TS]

01:15:46 ◼   ► browse they have over 20 a so far adding more all the time you can use your card [TS]

01:15:50 ◼   ► data and all kinds of new ways one of the biggest ones is they have paired [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► with if this than that I have TTT however the pronounced as you can you [TS]

01:15:59 ◼   ► can build recipes in if this than that based on your driving behavior and [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► driving events and so we can do things like when I'm close to home in the car [TS]

01:16:09 ◼   ► use my nest thermostat to automatically turn the air conditioning on so when I [TS]

01:16:13 ◼   ► get home is nice and cool things like that you can really do amazing things [TS]

01:16:16 ◼   ► with some of these out things like FreshBooks integration pebble Smart [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► Watch integration all certainty that you can even send euros in the yo app which [TS]

01:16:25 ◼   ► is a real thing so they've launched developer platform and you can go check [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► out today if you're a developer [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► developer still go check out the apps automatic can do lots of great things [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► now you can get automatic normally it's a hundred bucks it's a great deal of [TS]

01:16:39 ◼   ► hundred bucks but using our code are match.com / ATP you will get 20% off so [TS]

01:16:46 ◼   ► it's only 80 bucks and that is a one-time charge there is no monthly fee [TS]

01:16:50 ◼   ► to use the service nothing like that it is one time no subscription no recurring [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► payments one time just 80 bucks with that link on match.com / ATP you get [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► free shipping and 45 day return policy [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► totally risk free check it out today are mac.com / ATP thanks a lot to automatic [TS]

01:17:08 ◼   ► response show once again make users more about the iPad pro I believe for now we [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► can talk about the USB thing but I can stay at least we have to get more info [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► about the bottom line is that the iPad Pro is definitely the device for you [TS]

01:17:20 ◼   ► want to have a speedy way to shove stuff into it and Apple has said that there is [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► going to be able to do that with usb3 speeds is there really a lot of emotion [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► behind tethered over the cable transfer of files to iOS devices these days [TS]

01:17:38 ◼   ► imagine it's imagine it's all cameras right like if you can connect your [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► camera directly to your yes you do it wirelessly if you wanted but if you [TS]

01:17:46 ◼   ► connect your camera or some other card reader thing directly to your iPad then [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► you could go on the road with just the iPad and the camera and do some useful [TS]

01:17:54 ◼   ► work that's true that actually and you know I might use it for that I mean [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► there are some trips where I bring my laptop now go to a conference I bring my [TS]

01:18:04 ◼   ► laptop but I really don't usually need it for any kind of laptop a function [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► that I can't serve just as well buy my iPhone or an iPad so you know I could [TS]

01:18:14 ◼   ► see the value in having that they've they've had ever since the first iPad is [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► sold the camera connection kit which has even been able to be in St card reader [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► or a USB port which you can use the plugin also decreased if you think about [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► but a surprising amount of driverless USB peripherals work on iPads with a [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► camera connection kit and some even work on iPhones anyway so I could see that [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► being being possible because the camera connection kit is is a [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► fairly rarely sold accessory as far as I know that they've never seem to put a [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► whole lot of effort into the the process and the capabilities of importing photos [TS]

01:18:52 ◼   ► off the camera card into the photos Apple iPads so I don't know how how well [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► it would work in practice I haven't try it next week and how it works and I also [TS]

01:19:03 ◼   ► wouldn't expect you to do very well may 14 megapixel raw files that that's why [TS]

01:19:09 ◼   ► usb3 speeds like that's the big thing lighting part mysteriously not those [TS]

01:19:13 ◼   ► speeds and it's kind of a pain if you have taken that files and now with the [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► iPad pro this part is capable I don't know how yet if they're not yet but it [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► will be capable of USB 3 speeds and so that would really help I mean generally [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► when it comes to light processing raw photos on something like an iPad the car [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► is a lemon [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► no I think the processing power of the devices limit because when you're [TS]

01:19:37 ◼   ► president raw files you have to do the deed the reading and the JPEG conversion [TS]

01:19:41 ◼   ► on on device it is never done for you and the cameras all have these really [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► specialized image processors to do it in like you know how the apparel optimized [TS]

01:19:50 ◼   ► way the computers are doing it generally you know on the CPU entirely or maybe [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► with some light GPU help and it's it's a pretty slow process to do large Roy [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► imports so I'm guessing that be much more useful for JPEG shooters or even in [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► the raw + JPEG weirdos like I was briefly but 44 action for people [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► shooting RAW who wanted to let you know a couple of quick imports to show [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► somebody or preview or post to the social network I probably won't be [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► useful for that but I'd love to try between wrong so maybe I'll try I mean I [TS]

01:20:25 ◼   ► mean this distance thing says the file transfer and then there's the conversion [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► even just for display purposes so if you can make the part where just copies the [TS]

01:20:33 ◼   ► raw data directly on the card and onto the iPad faster than it gives you more [TS]

01:20:36 ◼   ► time to spend with your slower CPU doing their own conversion for display anyway [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► even if it's not just for photography the idea the lighting this is an open [TS]

01:20:45 ◼   ► question is about is licking their back online part was made it like lightning [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► how fast will go why did not use USB why did not change it to you is BC [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► is it even possible to do usb3 speeds over lightning oh no you can't doesn't [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► have enough pins because the usb3 connector has more pins than the [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► contacts that are on the Lightning connector and this link in the show [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► notes from someone who did a lot of you know investigation into lighting part [TS]

01:21:09 ◼   ► backordered introduced this rainer a broader Hoffs blog and he has come back [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► to talk about the lack of pins and citizen he came down to is that you [TS]

01:21:20 ◼   ► don't need all the pains of a real USB thing because they have dedicated pins [TS]

01:21:23 ◼   ► for the USB two speeds and lighting doesn't have to do that again [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► multiplexing it's a look at home not doing USB two speeds or something else [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► but we'll see it I think people who are doing tear downs on the iPad pro said [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► they found two new look like two new connectors inside there so maybe the [TS]

01:21:38 ◼   ► adapters will have extra contacts I don't know how to work while to wait [TS]

01:21:41 ◼   ► till these adapters are introducing if they're already out I just haven't seen [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► them yet so there's some fall for next week [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► alright thanks let two or three sponsors this week [TS]

01:21:50 ◼   ► Squarespace mail route an automatic and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

01:22:09 ◼   ► Casey [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► it was accidental and Marco [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► I do very much want to talk to you but I think we're better off tonight talking [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► about the iMac that's totally different [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► alright so I'm not my computer to be clear the Mac Pro 2008 Mac Pro still [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► here I'm speaking into it right now this is a replacement for my wife's 2011 [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► MacBook Air which was getting long in the tooth in our photos couldn't fit [TS]

01:23:22 ◼   ► anymore so we had an external SSD but it was only fire 800 and I was part of the [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► reason I thought photos might have been slow and anyway [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► done big fancy new iMac after hearing Marco report good things about his 2709 [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► action as the new from your fancy a model with even nicer screen and she [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► knows that she just wanted I magnin on freeway even as he took the MacBook Air [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► how the room on a podcast so she could so use a computer without being here but [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► they might still have the MacBook Air is just moved over to the other desperate [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► using a Mac and like me a few things for me to report that I never really spent [TS]

01:23:58 ◼   ► any time with markers I saw it and the ones in Astoria they've seen the [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► temporary spending time with them from mine I decided to not max out the RAM I [TS]

01:24:08 ◼   ► didn't do too much research into this but I just saw in the in the store [TS]

01:24:10 ◼   ► configurator it said 16 gigs for like two dams and 32 easier for a pic 16 [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► figuring that despite Mr Dempsey and up to 32 later that's not true don't tell [TS]

01:24:22 ◼   ► me until four years from now when I find out what I should probably fine I got [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► the biggest fastest GPU because whatever like I was going to buy the YouTube [TS]

01:24:35 ◼   ► video fingers crossed this will actually not be something to do my kids can now [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► play it by now seeing minecraft at non disgusting frame rates and I think I'm [TS]

01:24:45 ◼   ► more impressed than they are but I think at the same time they're never going to [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► use the plate on a MacBook Air again I don't blame them and I got the big [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► terabyte St because I really want to fit everything on this thing instead of [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► external drive which I still have but it's an enclosure that expire 800 so I [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► also had two by the way by a lightning to Thunderbolt to firewire 800 out there [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► so I could connect my chain of firewire 800 drives and everything but it's mine [TS]

01:25:12 ◼   ► I'll have USB 3 hard drive that I can finally connect to actually use the [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► report and I was one of the first things I noticed about this was I have a bus [TS]

01:25:22 ◼   ► powered one terabyte like 2.5 inch USB 3 drive for a while and I decided I'm [TS]

01:25:29 ◼   ► going to use this I was used as the clone drive for this year 10 a super [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► duper clones and I kept finding that when the Mac would go to sleep and wake [TS]

01:25:38 ◼   ► back up it would say this disc was not ejected properly bubble blower like it [TS]

01:25:43 ◼   ► was unmounting itself somewhere along the line and that usually means I like [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► it's being under powered by the bus and it's just you know not able to maintain [TS]

01:25:53 ◼   ► the connection but then it comes back I don't understand it because it's not [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► connected to a hub is directly connected to the computer and I have never had [TS]

01:26:01 ◼   ► that problem than any other computers are connected this to but then again I [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► haven't had it connected to other computers for really long period of time [TS]

01:26:06 ◼   ► so I know if I have a broken drive if the ports in the back of the USB the [TS]

01:26:10 ◼   ► iMac can supply enough power for this thing whatever it is that kind of [TS]

01:26:15 ◼   ► annoyed me but i wanna talk about the thickness of external peripherals and [TS]

01:26:19 ◼   ► right now Allen I only connected when I wanna do a clone which is a reasonable [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► solution I suppose although I have a whole their drive at the end of the fire [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► and change to do if you want to have an enclosure that I have bought like three [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► of them now it's something like twelve dollars at City usb3 single disc 2.5 [TS]

01:26:36 ◼   ► inch closer and its I had one of them would would do the exact same thing when [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► it was on a really freaky USB hub that I used to have and so far this this [TS]

01:26:46 ◼   ► enclosure to them that I bought have been perfect and for $12 it's been just [TS]

01:26:51 ◼   ► as good as like the expensive ones I've gotten from OWC and stuff in the past [TS]

01:26:55 ◼   ► that's what I had to do that I never considered because I knew that would [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► work but even direct connect them a closely so I don't know anyway that's [TS]

01:27:03 ◼   ► the main thing I noticed about this iMac off the bat [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► is that the fan in all states it slowly noisier than I thought it would be [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► forced to really even in the most I don't like nothing is happening on the [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► computer I i download video that shows me the fan rpm like the lowest possible [TS]

01:27:22 ◼   ► rpm I can still hear it more than I could hear the fan on the MacBook Air [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► for two reasons one the MacBook Air was like back a little bit farther like it [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► was kind of behind the monitor and to the left and to win the MacBook Air fan [TS]

01:27:37 ◼   ► is like doing nothing [TS]

01:27:38 ◼   ► it is a really quiet now the flip side of that is that you do anything to the [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► MacBook Air the fan goes up to Super you know they can possibly go and sounds [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► like a terrible angry hair dryer right so when iMac you can do way more before [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► the fans start spinning up so overall it's probably benefit but every time I [TS]

01:27:55 ◼   ► sit in front of a computer I keep thinking that the hard drives on cause I [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► have something for guard that's going to this thing from a different backups and [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► I don't leave them on all the time like actually unmount them and turn them off [TS]

01:28:04 ◼   ► and you know like a hard drive and spinning make some noise mechanical hard [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► drive I keep thinking that while if one of the drives on the nose just stupid [TS]

01:28:12 ◼   ► fans think anybody thought my computer [TS]

01:28:14 ◼   ► sign it's probably still choir than my 2008 Mac Pro though maybe not going that [TS]

01:28:18 ◼   ► grows on the ground in early here that that is my one mild disappointment [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► everything else about it is great screen looks great I don't even mind that weird [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► looks actually kinda cool but they do see it from the edge sometimes for a [TS]

01:28:33 ◼   ► while I kept thinking that the hinge was loose because it kept going to lay down [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► this is my wife she could still take it down the night fighting over what the [TS]

01:28:43 ◼   ► correct position is the screen but the more obvious a different types their [TS]

01:28:46 ◼   ► photos is faster and is much faster than it was in my car and drive it is still [TS]

01:28:53 ◼   ► slow and is still weird and buggy when I when I brought the library over you know [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► how to top it off my external drive that took forever and throws really weird [TS]

01:29:03 ◼   ► about I copied every single file over and photos was like I have sixty five [TS]

01:29:08 ◼   ► thousand files to important like no you don't they're all there and so had to [TS]

01:29:12 ◼   ► wait for like three days for it to convince himself that had all the files [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► on it at some point it was like you don't [TS]

01:29:17 ◼   ► have enough disk space I'm like how I don't have it you know I have plenty of [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► space I'm not even like a quarter filled in this terabyte drive so photos is [TS]

01:29:26 ◼   ► weird and does weird things and scared he sometimes but in the end I just let [TS]

01:29:31 ◼   ► it stew for a long time it was fine I still haven't removed my most recent [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► backup of my otha library so if this thing is lying to me I still have [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► everything as like you know when I got the new iMac but that was a little [TS]

01:29:44 ◼   ► tricky and boy copying the photo library in the Finder that took so long and was [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► so terrifying [TS]

01:29:52 ◼   ► there are so many files involved with that in the Finder gives you a little [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► he wasn't half hour maybe with more than our preparing to copy not going to copy [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► it's preparing to copy it's gotta count all the files and I don't know what it's [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► doing to me it's free flying to make sure the spaces available like I should [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► use the CPK man just start chopping things what do you like to use rsync for [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► crying out loud [TS]

01:30:17 ◼   ► flags on these things that make up the other metadata like no I have no idea [TS]

01:30:22 ◼   ► what I was doing with the 411 be used to find it eventually did work remember I'm [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► copping from as a city to SSD here so it's you know it's hot as fire r800 to [TS]

01:30:30 ◼   ► internal SSD is not as a waiver spinning disk to send the heads-up play seeking [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► all over there was terrifying it actually did work so yeah so far so good [TS]

01:30:40 ◼   ► another file thing I can put this in here I spent like three days fighting [TS]

01:30:45 ◼   ► with this damn computer that felt like I was going back in time there was 10 Time [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► Machine spotlight we're just not happy time machine seemed happy in the [TS]

01:30:54 ◼   ► beginning because it's like oh you know my name I could do the same as it was [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► before I did migration as a sense like I told you this descriptor machines like [TS]

01:31:02 ◼   ► you only get inherit the backups from the previous thing and I did because [TS]

01:31:04 ◼   ► like basically that was you know I copy the hard drive over there yes please [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► inherit the backup so I don't lose all my previous versions so it starts [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► backing up to this thing and I told us to do that and I noticed that like [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► spotlight in Time Machine we're just not ever finishing what they're supposed to [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► be doing spotlight was always the you know seemingly indexing in the console [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► is filling up with tons of like Mt worker errors and stuff like that and [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► Time Machine would never actually complete a backup ever ever ever after [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► several days this I spent a long time staring at the council and cooling for [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► things and finding all these weird obscure errors and people are like oh [TS]

01:31:38 ◼   ► just nuclear spotlight star and you know I did all the things you can imagine [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► doing with them to you till like totally removing a thing disabling spotlight [TS]

01:31:46 ◼   ► trying to let spotlight go first trying to buy time machine go first I don't [TS]

01:31:50 ◼   ► know what their problem was but they were totally wage and neither one of [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► them [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► spotlight indexing when I complete in time she will not complete and I was [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► very refreshing because I really can't basically sign off on the computer is [TS]

01:32:01 ◼   ► ready for use until time machine is running really care that much about [TS]

01:32:03 ◼   ► spotlight so I spent many days fighting with that and googling [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► and eventually got the thing to go through what the hell was I don't [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► remember what the problem was one of those things where it's not like there [TS]

01:32:13 ◼   ► was no aha moment I you know if if you like Google for all these error messages [TS]

01:32:18 ◼   ► you find a million hits on Apple's discussion boards of people the same [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► problem sometimes they're benign sometimes people say list of things that [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► for me nothing I found help me fix it eventually I just had to go to the old [TS]

01:32:28 ◼   ► school kinda bugging room using like lsof and stuff to figure out who the [TS]

01:32:32 ◼   ► hell has these files open and are they files that I can even delete or re- copy [TS]

01:32:37 ◼   ► one of the solutions involved me deleting my old user account that had on [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► that machine because spotlight isn't as indexing the files of the logged in user [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► its indexing the files on by all the different users at the same time and [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► some of the counselors you're saying you're not from the counter logged into [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► and like 10 make sure you log into every account update the clock cloud stuff and [TS]

01:32:56 ◼   ► I did that it didn't help the boy was one of the problems where every solution [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► you find you're excited this is gonna be the thing that makes it and it doesn't [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► but I did them up in a way I deleted my account from there which took with it a [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► lot of files that apparently of the various spotlight metadata diamond [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► importe things I can be working in the US where choking on badly and that led [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► to progress and eventually spotlight and text anyone spotlight in next time [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► machine worked and I just made me think that there's no way in hell that anybody [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► could have successfully fix this if they didn't have the if they want a person [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► who's willing to spend literally three days just googling and and cursing you [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► googling and cursing and part of it is probably because like you know this is [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► my gracious assistant and it's like an old account that maybe like had a bunch [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► of weird crafty things in it from a long time ago but you know we're going to see [TS]

01:33:49 ◼   ► you should just gonna clean so this is the first time I Gration assist system [TS]

01:33:52 ◼   ► has steered me wrong and really I just blame it was followed her timesheet [TS]

01:33:56 ◼   ► about for just not being more about us find their files up also isn't it weird [TS]

01:34:00 ◼   ► that you can import their car causing AMD worker to crash just just move on [TS]

01:34:04 ◼   ► just you know power through it like then don't index those but if an ironing [TS]

01:34:09 ◼   ► understand why spotlighting time machines seem to Wed each other in this [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► way because time machine should work without spotlight and vice versa but [TS]

01:34:16 ◼   ► period so that was a bad sort of first couple days experience but eventually we [TS]

01:34:21 ◼   ► did get into a steady state and now I have mounting back up so I had to [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► finally expand my back up some nice analogy which by the way was nice and [TS]

01:34:28 ◼   ► easy because I just got the added you know they don't have trouble reading had [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► another drive to think but I just converted from the raid 1 raid 5 and so [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► from two discs its rate and so got more space that all worked out so for the fan [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► noise things going better for a second cause I my iMac is is almost inaudible [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► and and the same is almost inaudible when it's when it's not doing that much [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► and and really under any load accept a sustained heavy lift if I Hanbury or [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► asked if his a-game running then you will hear the fans but in every other [TS]

01:35:02 ◼   ► time I don't hear the fans at all so I'm curious now of course if you know if you [TS]

01:35:06 ◼   ► had something like I start menu's installed by did I install the thing to [TS]

01:35:10 ◼   ► see their family at 1200 rpm I can hear ok that's good that's as you say mine is [TS]

01:35:15 ◼   ► idling at 1200 and is that loud like it's it's not a loud fan is just not [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► inaudible [TS]

01:35:20 ◼   ► I mean I'm surprised in a room that that that includes a Mac Pro is one thing we [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► notice like if I went from two macros 22 IMAX and when you would turn off the [TS]

01:35:31 ◼   ► iMac of them in the Mac Pro leaving the iMac behind it was clear as daylight [TS]

01:35:37 ◼   ► when we only had one and one for like a day or two [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► the difference was clear as day like that the the Mac Pro was so we always [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► thought was quiet relatively speaking but it's so easily would mask the noise [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► of the iMac yeah my macros asleep most of the time it does the closest thing to [TS]

01:35:56 ◼   ► the iMac is the ps4 but it's also a sleep unless I was playing but really I [TS]

01:36:01 ◼   ► can only hear that Mike when I'm sitting in front but that's one who knows me [TS]

01:36:04 ◼   ► that sound oh it's a stupid again not loud at all but I just feel like it [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► should be like the MacBook Air with literally inaudible when the computer is [TS]

01:36:12 ◼   ► idle and you could hear it at all that was like I was grinding in the back row [TS]

01:36:16 ◼   ► doing something like that and this is close to inaudible but not so it's not [TS]

01:36:22 ◼   ► that big of a deal but it'd be nice if you just like they just need to put an [TS]

01:36:26 ◼   ► even bigger lower rpms and it's not like you don't have room space to spread out [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► big leave the fan blades turning it like you know hundred rpm go for it you can [TS]

01:36:37 ◼   ► have it as you said you liked the thin edge you see from the side sometimes [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► that's why that's why we can't have nice things done that we can have been quiet [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► fans even with the thin and there's enough room for like a frisbee in their [TS]

01:36:46 ◼   ► big screen and speaking that so like her computer is always the one that we had [TS]

01:36:54 ◼   ► not sleeping cuz it was plugged into AC all the time and I was going to have one [TS]

01:36:58 ◼   ► here that the wake all the time to sell you to go for a lot of that rolled her [TS]

01:37:01 ◼   ► computer is always awake and with the iMac it was weird to see Nos 10 I don't [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► know this is a new development of the handout IMAX for a while but like with a [TS]

01:37:09 ◼   ► built-in screen computer there's not separate settings for display sleeping [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► apparently there's one saying that says do you want me to prevent the computer [TS]

01:37:17 ◼   ► from going to sleep when the display sleeps and there's one slide it says [TS]

01:37:20 ◼   ► when should the display go to sleep I would like to say let's play go to [TS]

01:37:23 ◼   ► sleeps 10 minutes computer go to sleep on our like you used to back in the [TS]

01:37:26 ◼   ► olden days and how I can on my Mac Mac Pro other but you can tell you that the [TS]

01:37:31 ◼   ► check box and I need to just looking to the peerless settings just changes [TS]

01:37:35 ◼   ► though I wanted you can also you can set a hot corner to do immediate display [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► sleep yeah and you just have a doubt I know it's just like I'm using the [TS]

01:37:44 ◼   ► sliders that the way they used to be and I'm also known as some spooky behavior [TS]

01:37:48 ◼   ► arcade like you leave the computer known such a nose doing anything and display [TS]

01:37:53 ◼   ► will go off and whether it sleeping or not you come back a little later in this [TS]

01:37:55 ◼   ► label beyond I've been sitting in the room I tap and I've been like plain [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► destiny outlook over the screen turns unlike you turning on and you know wait [TS]

01:38:02 ◼   ► for network access is off no weird USB hubs are attached the console is [TS]

01:38:06 ◼   ► anything about what the thing is it's like did you wake up or did the screen [TS]

01:38:09 ◼   ► and sometimes the screen just won't go you know that interval go by 15 mins ago [TS]

01:38:13 ◼   ► by an ice cream monkey off so I've got my eye and it I'm sleep issues like I [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► don't care cause is based on all the time anyway but you know what's going on [TS]

01:38:21 ◼   ► there in forever that I know the issue you're talking about I've seen that in [TS]

01:38:25 ◼   ► the past and other computers but I have never seen that either of our IMAX so I [TS]

01:38:31 ◼   ► don't think it's a it's an issue with the iMac I think it's an issue with [TS]

01:38:35 ◼   ► probably so maybe it's that weird USB device [TS]

01:38:39 ◼   ► maybe maybe it's a plague enclosure the plug is that thing is unplugged so [TS]

01:38:43 ◼   ► that's not a fair maybe the fire where the fire was just powered off I don't [TS]

01:38:49 ◼   ► know anyway I gotta figure out how to make this thing happen MCM too much has [TS]

01:38:52 ◼   ► happened once or twice and then one morning I can dance at the computer [TS]

01:38:56 ◼   ► screen on so maybe was on all night anyway it's it's behaving now Windows [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► computer can't sleep it's like when you too much chillin nearly 35 like you know [TS]

01:39:08 ◼   ► your computer has so many windows it just it just keeps can't go to sleep my [TS]

01:39:13 ◼   ► computer its her computer doesn't have that many things on it is only 50 she's [TS]

01:39:18 ◼   ► someone does is one of the things that make that he remember when it came time [TS]

01:39:25 ◼   ► to order this is going to the order configuration thing [TS]

01:39:29 ◼   ► asked my wife if she wanted which math she wanted or if you want to try to [TS]

01:39:33 ◼   ► measure trackpad and to my surprise you should she wanted to try to Magic [TS]

01:39:36 ◼   ► Trackpad because she already had a mouse that you liked and we got the extended [TS]

01:39:40 ◼   ► keyboard which is still in the box because she like they keep using your [TS]

01:39:43 ◼   ► old ones that we have an extra now but anyway she picked a magic trackpad and [TS]

01:39:46 ◼   ► not for me still like it's magic is that maybe I still use the mouse I'm not [TS]

01:39:52 ◼   ► going to attract bad person so far remains to be seen if she will make the [TS]

01:39:58 ◼   ► transition she's been trying it and messing around with that but I think if [TS]

01:40:02 ◼   ► I look over there now I think the mouse is still next to the keyboards I think [TS]

01:40:05 ◼   ► she liked the measure track that down and uses it and I don't know I can tell [TS]

01:40:10 ◼   ► when you talk talk talk of the sound different mouse but anyway there's one [TS]

01:40:17 ◼   ► in the house now and she was a curious enough to try but I don't know if it'll [TS]

01:40:21 ◼   ► stick [TS]

01:40:21 ◼   ► stick [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► in power [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► powerful than a ps3 [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► really old console and again [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► things like RAM [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► but look at the time span [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► in it [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► Sony all things considered [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

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00:08:03 ◼   ► week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► how to do that [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► last week [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► and Apple doesn't [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► something pretty relevant here [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]