00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm running I'm almost at the bottom of my window it's like you know a little like the calm of icons I pretty much [TS]
00:00:05 ◼ ► almost hold all the different slacks Iran. Yeah. My God I'm in three destiny slacks alone. Just for Destiny. [TS]
00:00:18 ◼ ► I think my work has multiple ones or only I'm one of them. Slack proliferation of the thing. [TS]
00:00:23 ◼ ► So you aren't all the ones for work but you are in multiple destinies LAX you know. [TS]
00:00:29 ◼ ► I'm not in all the destiny life that exist I'm just. Yeah people can get their act together with the best things like. [TS]
00:00:35 ◼ ► Right so we want to actually talk about something that's relevant. Tonight. Do we ever really. [TS]
00:00:42 ◼ ► Yeah you pour didn't follow up that's not really follow up I guess you could even call it fall out. [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► Yeah I started a new developer pod cast with our friend underscore David Smith who is the. [TS]
00:01:04 ◼ ► Talk about doing it and then just you know life got in the way for both of us now we finally got it together [TS]
00:01:09 ◼ ► and are doing it. And we publish our first episode today. So. So far it's doing well. [TS]
00:01:14 ◼ ► Check it out it's called under the radar. And it's basically you know he had his show developing perspective. [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► and so this is kind of the combination of those two shows it is kind of like the successor to build and analyze [TS]
00:01:33 ◼ ► and developing perspective. It's really a developer focus show like this show is kind of more general Apple tech world. [TS]
00:01:41 ◼ ► That show is really developers. And it's limited to only thirty minutes. So it's a quick. [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► You know thirty minutes a week so it's not too. Time costly to subscribe so check it out. [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► That's actually it's for developers developers developers. So at this point. It is unequivocal. [TS]
00:01:58 ◼ ► That that all of us have shows on really a family and I know you have top form for this. [TS]
00:02:05 ◼ ► And so this is this is what point do we join Really. I mean at this point we're pretty much there. People have asked. [TS]
00:02:15 ◼ ► So I honestly it's we're talking about briefly if anybody actually cares about the answer. [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► The answer basically is that we didn't start out really and there in there is not real like as much as we love. [TS]
00:02:30 ◼ ► We already have our own ad sales and hosting and everything set up already. So there's not much reason to move it in. [TS]
00:02:37 ◼ ► David and I didn't even question with course we're going to hurt I really just because you know there's [TS]
00:02:42 ◼ ► and I talked about pod cast networks before and I've been against them in certain ways and for them in certain others. [TS]
00:03:01 ◼ ► and how much time you have that can determine kind of you know where you fall in that and so for this new show. [TS]
00:03:09 ◼ ► Given where we were we decided network was the right move for our needs right now. That makes sense and. [TS]
00:03:18 ◼ ► They're all good friends of ours we really enjoy them so yeah I mean I think if A.T.P. [TS]
00:03:22 ◼ ► Were to start tomorrow it probably would be unrelated but at this point don't don't fix what ain't broke so. Yep. [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► All right so now we're done with fallouts asterisk not staircase approved let's do some follow up.. [TS]
00:03:35 ◼ ► Somebody wrote in dust as it's got to be pronounced wrong because there's a fancy strike. Through the O.O. [TS]
00:03:42 ◼ ► Masterson road into it's just the euro. Dust is Iran that's true. That is actually how I write zeros anyways. [TS]
00:03:52 ◼ ► Please videos in your timeline and even muted videos take over I.O.'s is Audioboo. This is. If you remember. [TS]
00:03:58 ◼ ► Because Facebook claims that oh it was just an accidental bug that we had videos that played a never released the audio [TS]
00:04:06 ◼ ► session and that's why we were backgrounded for forever. That still strikes me as a little weird. [TS]
00:04:16 ◼ ► It seems like everyone's kind of starting to believe that this is really their net to to to not nefarious actions is [TS]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Well the fact that the auto plant was brought up by a couple people I just bought this one in there because like I said [TS]
00:04:40 ◼ ► You know it considers it will start playing it it will grab the audio session even if i guess even if you just scroll [TS]
00:04:46 ◼ ► So a lot of people are sort of unknowingly implicitly playing videos merely by launching the Happen scrolling through a [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► You know that this audio session bug thing is biting lots of people even people who don't have any recollection [TS]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and told us that he knows how to have spotlight index his Snellen G eight hundred fifteen plus which Well I don't [TS]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I was exhausting Halleck one of the reasons why I like direct attached or ice because he over. Regular network shares. [TS]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Is that regular network shares don't have the spotlight integration they don't have like system integration I just hate [TS]
00:05:29 ◼ ► how slow it is to connect to and browse network shares. Still in twenty fifty even over wired gigabit networks. [TS]
00:05:36 ◼ ► There are not so Jeff has the appropriate commands that are sitting in our show notes which are not helpful to [TS]
00:05:43 ◼ ► and reading this out will also be not helpful so we will link to something some way somehow that explains this exciting [TS]
00:05:51 ◼ ► and answers I remember doing it back in one spot a source introduced like one of the bragging rights as ole even index [TS]
00:05:56 ◼ ► your network of this is back in the F.P. Days. Believe even index or network shares. [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► I don't know what the status of that is like if it doesn't do it by default a name or ever [TS]
00:06:05 ◼ ► but bottom line is this command line tools where you can force it to is the empty you till command line in the empty [TS]
00:06:10 ◼ ► import command line if you just read the man pages them you can figure it out will try to put a link to the Stock [TS]
00:06:16 ◼ ► Exchange question in the show notes so you can fall through it and figure out how to enable it yourself. [TS]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I don't know what it will be like I'm not even sure how it keeps up keeps track of what has been updated there does [TS]
00:06:25 ◼ ► appear to be rescanned the whole drive anyway. Maybe you just have to run it on a schedule to rescan the drive. [TS]
00:06:33 ◼ ► But if you. This is something you want to do. You can try it. Excellent. All right. [TS]
00:06:45 ◼ ► He says It seems that the biggest issue that you guys have with these apps applies equally to Google and stitcher. [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and he lose control over quality making changes cetra My question is why do they bother. [TS]
00:07:01 ◼ ► If they want to inject ads at the beginning at the end they can still do a client side they could still build [TS]
00:07:08 ◼ ► That John had mentioned by simply downloading your file wants to index it it wouldn't take off the publishers who would [TS]
00:07:14 ◼ ► still have control over their files and download stats. Bandwidth costs shift back to the publishers etc etc etc. [TS]
00:07:20 ◼ ► This is all good for them so what's the big benefit of Rio sting in the first place. So this is so and. [TS]
00:07:27 ◼ ► You know this is again the pod cast things of legals pod casting with Google music they announced [TS]
00:07:32 ◼ ► and detour the podcasting. Re hosting people's pockets file before serving them in the. [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► There for requiring publisher approval and that I'm publisher Staton everything else. The main benefits are really. [TS]
00:07:43 ◼ ► It comes down to control and consistency. If you re host the files yourself as the intermediary service provider. [TS]
00:07:50 ◼ ► You can first of all you can guarantee that they will be there. And they will load quickly. [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► Because if you just rely you know. Overcast isn't worth the overcast and most pod cast apps. Just degassed. [TS]
00:07:59 ◼ ► They get the files directly from the publisher server which could be a terrible little web hosting box it could be a. [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► nice C.D.N. It could be something very far away or very geographically close. And there's. [TS]
00:08:10 ◼ ► So as wide variety in transfer speeds download speeds for progress files just come directly from publishers. [TS]
00:08:16 ◼ ► So if you're running a service like Google Play music or stitcher you want like some kind of big integrated experience. [TS]
00:08:21 ◼ ► You don't want to take the risk of wondering whether someone else's server will actually be will serve you the file at [TS]
00:08:30 ◼ ► So that's the biggest reason and you don't know how quickly they will serve it to. [TS]
00:08:41 ◼ ► Now you know Rich mentioned that Google is most certainly going to the transcription thing that lets you tube videos [TS]
00:08:52 ◼ ► Transcribe it and then continue to send people to the originals to download but then you have to like manage. [TS]
00:08:57 ◼ ► Do I still have the most up to date copy it to pull it periodically to make sure you still the most up to date copy. [TS]
00:09:03 ◼ ► You never quite can be sure to Sara Lee If people going to get the exact version you got. Additionally. [TS]
00:09:12 ◼ ► One thing that's that's really taking off big time in in big podcasting And you know it's basically the public radio [TS]
00:09:22 ◼ ► Is that dynamic ad insertion where every copy of the files they serve. Has a different set of ads in it. [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► And the idea here is they want to capture So you know. Suppose they sell an ad for a sir. Number of downloads. [TS]
00:09:47 ◼ ► But regardless of what I think people are doing it. You know this is this is where a lot of the market is moving. [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► And so if you make some secret requests to the same file on some of these big networks. [TS]
00:09:57 ◼ ► You will get actually different copies of the file at different ads. That might even be slightly different lengths. [TS]
00:10:01 ◼ ► So you can even link to a timestamp in the middle file because it might be a different time stamp for Tim who downloads [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► All of that is kind of messed up by systems like this that cache the file and everything [TS]
00:10:12 ◼ ► but it also kind of throws a wrench in anything like overcast that assumes that the file will be generally the same. [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► So there's justification on both sides for why you would read host files as a service provider versus why you would [TS]
00:10:32 ◼ ► I greatly prefer that they pass them through to two to us. You know but that is not necessarily their goal. [TS]
00:10:42 ◼ ► Have you heard about people who put different ads into like their archive shows like they'll put their archive. [TS]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and change all the ads in the year old shows exactly the same platform. Yeah exactly the same thing where. [TS]
00:10:56 ◼ ► One of the ways they can justify you know our show doesn't we don't really do a lot of archive downloads because we are [TS]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Kind of like the magazine style like human interest kind of shows that are fairly timeless [TS]
00:11:16 ◼ ► Sometimes those are even the majority of their downloads for say for certain kinds of shows. [TS]
00:11:24 ◼ ► You know we generally get to know the temper of downloads you want you want sponsor episode. [TS]
00:11:30 ◼ ► And it was a two hundred ends up in the archives getting five times as many downloads as usual because it had you know [TS]
00:11:40 ◼ ► I honestly think this is a bad idea because I think that those surpluses that happen here [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► So I think this is actually a terrible idea that this surplus has already been priced in [TS]
00:12:01 ◼ ► And therefore I think it will almost certainly result in a noticeable drop in pod cast ads. Those but that's just me. [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► and I wonder like some most companies that we had for Slim business. Get over enjoy it's going to be the thing. [TS]
00:12:21 ◼ ► There is an argument to be made that you should be kind of reminded ties into. It sounds terrible. [TS]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Re monetizing these old episodes after a certain number of users and a time you can make that argument [TS]
00:12:40 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter because if enough of the market does this it leave road to C.P.S. Anyway. [TS]
00:12:51 ◼ ► when you watch old television programs like the most fun is watching the period. Appropriate ads that run. [TS]
00:13:00 ◼ ► Sensitive or going to be gone back so I remember Squarespace. Yeah. You know I'll be crazy. [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► All right any other follow up there when you talk about Jon you have any other fallout that you'd like to cover. [TS]
00:13:12 ◼ ► Don't even know what you're talking about Marco save me until we got something that's awesome. [TS]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Well we're back to John because our first bunch of this week is Cards Against Humanity. [TS]
00:13:22 ◼ ► And rather than doing the sponsor read bad John to review another toaster oven is a top down on the coast to coast [TS]
00:13:36 ◼ ► stuff. So John what is this week's toaster oven. Toaster oven is it is this week's US or something. [TS]
00:13:43 ◼ ► This is I think in the style just actually the name brand but anyway. It's than a style just like tricks. [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► and one breakfast station before I continue with this I'm going to put one going to show notes are in the chat room you [TS]
00:14:01 ◼ ► two should look at it. So I don't have to try to paint your word picture of the spawn Stross the Holy Mother. [TS]
00:14:16 ◼ ► or not in a situation where you will put people in danger by taking a moment to look at this picture. [TS]
00:14:22 ◼ ► Then please take a moment to look at this picture because this is amazing. My God. So it's like. [TS]
00:14:29 ◼ ► I like the idea of these things being interesting colors because they're boring when they're gray or black. [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► Part of this thing is actually pretty small They show two slices of bread in at us kind of optimistic again miniature [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► bread for the pictures. But that's not all there. In like the right side of the thing. [TS]
00:14:56 ◼ ► Or what they call a non-stick griddle it so that no little bit here in the show eggs cooking on it [TS]
00:15:02 ◼ ► and sausage causing it to the left of the toaster oven again this is all one unit these are not three separate things [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and one breakfast station things done went out about this is it when you look at the picture. You. It looks crazy. [TS]
00:15:36 ◼ ► But there is I know they put things in a picture like the miniature bread and eggs and sausage. [TS]
00:15:44 ◼ ► The drip coffee mug it looks like you know a typical like you know eighty's kind of office drip coffee thing before I [TS]
00:15:49 ◼ ► have a cake ups and everything. It is not a false I think it's like a doll's coffee thing that container. [TS]
00:15:57 ◼ ► Holds maybe like a comp and I have two cups of hot water or coffee and it is not a full size think so it's very [TS]
00:16:04 ◼ ► and I guess this is good because it was a full size coffee maker the thing would be huge right. [TS]
00:16:08 ◼ ► And same thing with the grid all very small so it's strange and it's like maybe if you live alone [TS]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Coffee and you want to make yourself drip coffee with like little filters and everything. [TS]
00:16:19 ◼ ► As you can do with the same so the controls get it for those functionality this is the one tell us it said you know we [TS]
00:16:25 ◼ ► don't need three hundred two knobs it's funny which on the bottom of the switch on the bottom. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► or off like basically do you want me to heat up the heating element that heats the water for the coffee or do you not. [TS]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and off the elements the things got for guarded elements to on the bottom to the top. [TS]
00:16:48 ◼ ► You can say only bottom only top or top and bottom are off those your settings there [TS]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and then the second knob is temperature. And the temperature novice fairly hilarious. [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and dark settings for toast are within like three degrees of each other on the dial. [TS]
00:17:16 ◼ ► This so much slop in the doll like the three dots are within the margin of error. Like the flop on the dial. All right. [TS]
00:17:24 ◼ ► But here's the biggest problem with this device. And I actually I don't drink coffee. So I just made hot water. [TS]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Well what am I going to jail and I'm and I'm dirty up of the filters and everything [TS]
00:17:39 ◼ ► You know for space savings and to have like all your stuff happening in one spot if you have a like a small kitchen [TS]
00:17:44 ◼ ► or you just want to like why waste all the space you know you can do this thing right so there's a lot of problems that [TS]
00:17:49 ◼ ► thirty first is there's not room on top of a toaster depending how low your cabinets are the distance from the top of [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► or like spatter from from sausages are really just like there's a reason they have vents on top of the cooking services [TS]
00:18:08 ◼ ► you don't want there to be like a an aide ensure a one foot gap between your cooking sausages in the bottom of your [TS]
00:18:14 ◼ ► but it turns out that's not that big of a problem because the way the things works is you can. [TS]
00:18:20 ◼ ► Like there's no separate control you just take like which elements you want to turn on so if you want all the elements [TS]
00:18:24 ◼ ► on the top on the bottom ones. And you turn the dial turn it on those for he Amen. [TS]
00:18:31 ◼ ► And they have to fulfill the job of toasting the bread and also heating the griddle on top. [TS]
00:18:37 ◼ ► They're not up to that task. Wow. You blow if you know they didn't blow a fuse they're just not up to the task. [TS]
00:18:47 ◼ ► Because it's just slow and it just slowly heats and dries and heats and dries bread [TS]
00:18:52 ◼ ► and eventually kind of sort of browns that in the time you get a model like little bricks. Like it's not. [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► And they don't they don't toast you want to be toasted in crispy on the outside but not like totally be hydrated right. [TS]
00:19:06 ◼ ► And the second problem is the only things that are heating the grill part of the top two elements. [TS]
00:19:18 ◼ ► So I cooked an egg on top of the same and it was the worst like it just did not get hot enough to really cook the egg. [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► You know like a bunch of little rounded rectangle lumps all over it I don't understand what the polling is there for [TS]
00:19:32 ◼ ► all it does make it more likely that your egg is going to stick through has more certain. And crannies to go into. [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Terrible for cooking eggs just does not get hot enough fast enough. Doesn't get hot enough period and. [TS]
00:19:48 ◼ ► and the coffee maker thing is totally disconnected from the toaster in the griddle might as well be separate because [TS]
00:19:52 ◼ ► it's just like well this is a very small opacity think that he's hot water for drip coffee. [TS]
00:19:57 ◼ ► So just like anything that was a slot toaster until Strabane this multi-function device does not have its functions [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► or maybe like to say maybe it does the coffee thing well maybe it is a sent good single serving drip coffee thing [TS]
00:20:11 ◼ ► All I can say is that it does boil the water in a reasonably timely fashion because hey it's only a boy like one cup of [TS]
00:20:15 ◼ ► water. Probably isn't boiling. Go ahead. And it did. Well here probably not. And it did. [TS]
00:20:25 ◼ ► It just was not getting hung up the top and here wondering how the hell you wash a thing. [TS]
00:20:29 ◼ ► The griddle top thing comes right off which seems weird maybe if you take it off and turn the toaster [TS]
00:20:35 ◼ ► It comes off and you can clean diesel A about the I guess I can say about this the door. [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Like this is a cute thing the fact that it's red and it looks kind of like I don't know. [TS]
00:20:47 ◼ ► I thought it was a cute appliance so it would look good in the background of a of a movie or sitcom [TS]
00:20:57 ◼ ► Cannot recommend even its bargain price for three different lines is the combination of only seventy dollars. [TS]
00:21:04 ◼ ► Doesn't seem that ridiculous. That's. I wouldn't spend seven hundred dollars misspeak you don't. [TS]
00:21:09 ◼ ► You can get a good toaster. For less money than that. This is not a good toaster is not going to do anything. [TS]
00:21:14 ◼ ► So I don't I don't. If I have this in my house I don't know what I would use it for. I would use it for nothing. [TS]
00:21:19 ◼ ► If I paid you seventy dollars to keep it on your counter would you not on the counter space. [TS]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Oh I forgot to mention there's also a lid. That goes on the griddle thing on the top. [TS]
00:21:30 ◼ ► And I only can only assume that's like look we know the thing to get hot enough for you [TS]
00:21:40 ◼ ► So my final question on this is this is from this brand called Nostalgia electronics [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► and they appear to have a whole different line of things but was this kind of thing ever. [TS]
00:21:52 ◼ ► A thing that people use like it kind of implies that this is an old appliance they're bringing back [TS]
00:21:58 ◼ ► and missed out your butt. Was this kind of a points ever really used by anybody ever. I think. [TS]
00:22:04 ◼ ► I assume the than a Stoddard brand is only loosely connected with the theme of actual missed Alger [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► Just the idea is make it look like appliances look at another there was a specific appliance like this [TS]
00:22:23 ◼ ► but it was that plastic thing on top of the coffee maker that doesn't quite look right [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► but it does kind of fit in with the sort of fifty's sixty's. Saif I like the get you know the future automation. [TS]
00:22:34 ◼ ► And you know it does fit in even of the never made one of these things. It totally fits with that same. [TS]
00:22:39 ◼ ► Especially with the fact that it doesn't work with them just like every one of the future things they made up in the [TS]
00:22:45 ◼ ► fifty's and sixty's. That is called a saddle Actrix. Because I think like there is no way to use this. [TS]
00:22:54 ◼ ► Either just using it because your life situation somehow led you to buy and own one of these things or. [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► You are sad because it's performances so bad that you are sitting there eating your baked bread [TS]
00:23:07 ◼ ► and under-cooked sausage and just makes you set it on a chat room or posting the positive [TS]
00:23:15 ◼ ► when you factor I just cannot believe anyone would find any part of the satisfactory except like that maybe. [TS]
00:23:21 ◼ ► I wanted to drip coffee maker that only made enough coffee for one and a half people and finally I found. [TS]
00:23:26 ◼ ► Yeah you know a cure it gives insufficient they really want that drip coffee. Yeah yeah. Well. [TS]
00:23:32 ◼ ► Well I did I did not know what toaster this was going to be before the show started [TS]
00:23:36 ◼ ► and I'm glad I didn't because that is magnificent. I hadn't before before we before we wrap up the toaster things. [TS]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Two things in this one. I finally people have been asking me. And I've been asking for this entire run of ads. [TS]
00:23:48 ◼ ► What do I do with all the old souls old toasters and my answer for a long time had been nothing. [TS]
00:23:54 ◼ ► We don't have any plans of writing with all those years of Angele got to the point where I had just too many gigantic [TS]
00:23:59 ◼ ► toaster boxes miles I needed them to go away. And so now the toasters have gone away. I don't know where they went. [TS]
00:24:09 ◼ ► Jammed into a giant truck and took them away from my house so there. On I no longer have them. [TS]
00:24:15 ◼ ► When I was taken me ten toasters and sending them away. I found this box. Unopened. [TS]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I hadn't realized that I had an extra on open box this is like finding the strange treasure like wait a second this one [TS]
00:24:27 ◼ ► still sealed up. Good I never opened this one. And I opened it and this is the on holy thing that came out. [TS]
00:24:32 ◼ ► when I got the stuff all the way with the rest of the toasters like the Ark of the covenant the end of Indiana Jones. [TS]
00:24:39 ◼ ► At the end of rate is a lost art which is not having any I don't pretty sick see what you've done to me now by any [TS]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Me I'm thinking maybe there was some hanky panky going on in this came out. Wow Yeah. Anyway. [TS]
00:24:53 ◼ ► So this is the second to last poster of this Ron we've got one more left this year I think. [TS]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and so that's where they go they go away from my house so I can set my car on the driveway. [TS]
00:25:15 ◼ ► I don't even know where to go from here. Well thanks and thanks to Cards Against Humanity. For sponsoring our show. [TS]
00:25:24 ◼ ► I mean we have other things to talk about we have other sponsors but where do we go. [TS]
00:25:27 ◼ ► I mean going to go downhill from here like the. How do we talk. What do we really do. Why good and it's alright. [TS]
00:25:33 ◼ ► So we do have things to talk about. And most specifically. We have some Apple T.V. Things to talk about in the end. [TS]
00:25:40 ◼ ► I don't know how much I can contribute to this because I'm holding strong and not buying the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:25:44 ◼ ► That I'm sure I'm going to buy sometime between now and Christmas. He didn't even order it. [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► I thought you would find out you were surely audited at least now I think imma try to hold out for Christmas last [TS]
00:25:57 ◼ ► Plex is out which is why I am not really. Not really holding too strong on this. And I've heard it's really good. [TS]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Which is not helping me. Keep in mind also that the way Apple's product release cycle and pricing works. [TS]
00:26:11 ◼ ► Is that you're not be. You're getting. Anything by waiting. If you're going to buy this model of Apple T.V. Ever. [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► Yeah you're right but I mean I don't I figure they're like I said it's holiday time coming up [TS]
00:26:26 ◼ ► but I really don't feel like spending money on in part because I really don't want to mess with my audio set up that we [TS]
00:26:31 ◼ ► went through last week and yes there are options like the little kooky box that we found last week [TS]
00:26:39 ◼ ► Maybe this is completely reasonable and I'm a weirdo but a lot of people wrote to me via Twitter and we're like. [TS]
00:26:47 ◼ ► I don't have to do that men don't like this is his thing where you can read you can use your old Apple T.V. [TS]
00:26:52 ◼ ► As an airplay speaker for your new one. That's exactly what they're saying and I'm just like why. [TS]
00:26:56 ◼ ► That seems so crazy to me that that's the best course of action is to leave this old Apple T.V. [TS]
00:27:06 ◼ ► Leave that plugged in because that's the best scenario I'm not saying it's unreasonable for Apple to take away my [TS]
00:27:16 ◼ ► They probably did the right thing here it's probably silly to leave that optical connection on the new Apple T.V. [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► I hope I don't sound like one of those people that's like oh well they change that one thing I needed [TS]
00:27:31 ◼ ► But I'm crazy and I like having my optical connection so. In any case I'm sure I will get an Apple T.V. [TS]
00:27:36 ◼ ► I'm sure it will be in twenty fifteen and we'll see if I end up paying for it myself or just getting it as a gift. [TS]
00:27:48 ◼ ► I didn't know that's what it stood for you ever see it written F. Last P.D.F. Yeah yeah I don't need Flash Phillips. [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► I did not know that was the acronym there yakka sone in fellows they work together and also like the CD [TS]
00:28:01 ◼ ► and all sorts of like to get a lot of those stuff and so they standardize this thing forever ago it's really old. [TS]
00:28:11 ◼ ► Anyway so what we have to talk about with this are what do you guys have to think about with this. [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► I got I got my Apple T.V. Today actually. So I have unpacked it and set it up and bit of a hurry before the show. [TS]
00:28:22 ◼ ► The Apple story was so I actually have some real world experience with this thing and I have to say after reading. [TS]
00:28:40 ◼ ► One of the things this thing does it know if they opened it as well and I remember is when you take out of the box [TS]
00:28:45 ◼ ► and plug it in. It wants you to bring your i Phone near it and make sure Bluetooth is on your i Phone. [TS]
00:28:51 ◼ ► And just hold it near the thing and it will sort of figure out what wife I network your phone is on. [TS]
00:28:57 ◼ ► And connect to the same life I network and use the same password and all that other stuff. So the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► I plug be able to be and I brought my phone over to I unlock my phone couple. Wait if a couple seconds. [TS]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and it found my network which doesn't really matter because I haven't plugged into you know anyway so I was seem like [TS]
00:29:16 ◼ ► kind of a waste but anyway. That part worked. And then I. Some point I signed in with my Apple I.D. Password and. [TS]
00:29:25 ◼ ► I had to use a terrible keyboard that everybody hates which is not so much a keyboard as a key line. A through Z. [TS]
00:29:36 ◼ ► And there's another row punctuation another row with switch to capital or lower case [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► and by the way if you hold down the button on their mode you can get capital letters about having to switch from [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► That is very painful to use I'm not entirely sure but some more painful than the old way where you had to hit. [TS]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Like because you have a swipe ipad you can swipe quickly from the left or the right and skip multiple letters. [TS]
00:29:54 ◼ ► Instead of having to go. A B. C. D. E. Like you can go swipe one thing go be all way I'd like JR. Whatever. So I don't. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► And I don't understand why they made a strip like there's not enough room on a screen to get the whole rest of the [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► screen there maybe maybe with the rest of the U.I. Apps it was better that way anyway. [TS]
00:30:14 ◼ ► Because I only had to undermine the ID. I had an inverter a couple times but not an obscene number of times. [TS]
00:30:19 ◼ ► It didn't seem that ridiculous to me. So I enter my Apple ID. I watch Netflix I had to sign with my Netflix ID. [TS]
00:30:26 ◼ ► It's kind of a shame that it can get all this information from the previous Apple I.D. [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► In the Apple ecosystem that is supposedly has secured storage of you know the password this seems like is the main [TS]
00:30:35 ◼ ► thing people were complaining about. I got asked about their passports too often. The passwords are hard to enter. [TS]
00:30:41 ◼ ► And if you haven't read these articles you may be wondering why they just use the I was remote app. That doesn't work. [TS]
00:30:46 ◼ ► Now. Yeah I was remote out does not work with a new album where he does not work yet and they get to make it work. [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► I don't know. Doesn't work now. So doesn't help you if you're setting up your Apple T.V. Now. [TS]
00:30:55 ◼ ► And that's a legit complaint like. It's a regression. From the old version of the product. [TS]
00:31:00 ◼ ► It's a pain to use any kind of on three. Screen keyboard. And the onscreen keyboard the have Seems pretty stupid. [TS]
00:31:10 ◼ ► and down I don't know why it's not registering it just takes it if I'm going across like [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► when I want to swipe down to the next row of things or something to the punctuation. It.. [TS]
00:31:19 ◼ ► Just doesn't you know I feel like it stuck a lot. You can also by the way if you have the new Apple T.V. [TS]
00:31:24 ◼ ► You can tap on it like it's a deep had not pressed it always down to it physically clicks [TS]
00:31:35 ◼ ► There's a little bit of a learning curve I feel like would be able to get spent a while the remote [TS]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Sort of combinations where you click on the left side of the remote and click on the right side path [TS]
00:31:45 ◼ ► and a left tap on the right swipe up slap down swipe from the top swiped from the bottom. [TS]
00:31:56 ◼ ► and not the best thing in the world hold on to but always say that my sort of experience wasn't that bad [TS]
00:32:02 ◼ ► and I was mostly pleasantly surprised by the variety of ways that you can interface with the thing to speed it felt [TS]
00:32:09 ◼ ► faster to me to navigate around than my old Apple T.V. That could just because you didn't have to use I.R. [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► and Bluetooth has less latency in that it could just be because it's much faster C.P.U. [TS]
00:32:19 ◼ ► but it felt pretty good to me I maybe I was like primed to like with all the better views I was expecting the worst. [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► But I gotta say I would much rather have this than my previous Apple T.V. and A that week. [TS]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Well that's that's a much more positive review than a lot of what I've heard I haven't read any To my recollection [TS]
00:32:38 ◼ ► but I listen to this week's Talk Show with Jon and Guy English and he seems like that's it's good [TS]
00:32:46 ◼ ► but it's got a lot of problems. This week's upgrade. With with Jason snow and Mike Hurley and Joe Steel. [TS]
00:32:55 ◼ ► They were in various levels of frustrated to Furious I'd say. And I don't know which is. [TS]
00:33:02 ◼ ► I'm looking at it from an outsider's point of view in the sense that I don't have one I haven't done hours of research [TS]
00:33:09 ◼ ► into the specifics of what it offers because really the only thing I care about the most part is plex. [TS]
00:33:14 ◼ ► I just feel like I saw an inordinate amount of grumbling on Twitter and. And it seemed like everyone. [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► Everyone was really really grumbly about it and maybe that's my own biases that are surfacing [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► and maybe it's not that bad but you know Jesse Charlier today was saying that that it's really a great device [TS]
00:33:37 ◼ ► But I don't from the outside it seem like with the watch really Several was like hey this is cool. [TS]
00:33:48 ◼ ► Well I wouldn't say that I mean this is different. So we've all you know many of us.. [TS]
00:33:54 ◼ ► People who have been fans of the Apple T.V. So far we've been using the Apple T.V. For years. [TS]
00:33:59 ◼ ► And it's been pretty much the same like most of it has not really changed much at least since the introduction of the [TS]
00:34:05 ◼ ► second gen one and a lot of it even began before that. It's you know it's been really the solid thing and... [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Like for me the Apple T.V. Is by far the most common device that we use for the T.V. It is our T.V. [TS]
00:34:20 ◼ ► You know because we don't have cable or cable cutter heard those annoying people. We don't like the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Is our everything. Like I have an Amazon Fire T.V. On the front T.V. I have a Roku on the back T.V. and. [TS]
00:34:35 ◼ ► Except the Amazon one will switch to to use Plaxo Farleigh Now I want you to do that anymore [TS]
00:34:43 ◼ ► It is it is unquestionably more capable in general and you know it can do more things. [TS]
00:34:53 ◼ ► But it also you know if there it has a call Robin or is it has the touch pad which can be. [TS]
00:35:02 ◼ ► Of input then just a very clear Deepak could be. But I do feel like. In my opinion. It is a step back from a deep had. [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► So who knows where the absence of will go in the future. You know we don't we don't know that yet. [TS]
00:35:21 ◼ ► Time will tell whether absolute take advantage of of it being a touchpad not just a directional control. But today. [TS]
00:35:28 ◼ ► Using the Apple T.V. The way you've always used it before. It feels very imprecise. [TS]
00:35:33 ◼ ► And one of the problems with the key line. Text input. And we are typing these amounts on this keyboard. [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► Because you have to like you know then go find the delete key or if you hold it down as one of the hold down menu [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► So you need to be very precise on that keyboard because the cost of making an error is annoying. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► But that's the first thing you really need to do in terms of his type in your password a few times. [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► So your very first interaction with the thing is set up to make you basically hate the remote I hate inputting text [TS]
00:36:16 ◼ ► and I who knows what they can do what they could've done to fix that I think obviously better integration with with an [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► i Phone to use the i Phone keyboard like the old remote Apted would have been nice. [TS]
00:36:29 ◼ ► It's not there now and that is unfortunate but for me so far like like when you pick up the remote. [TS]
00:36:38 ◼ ► It is incredibly hard to pick it up without accidentally seeking the video that you're in. [TS]
00:36:45 ◼ ► Because you pick it up and if you if your finger brushes that touch pad area at all. [TS]
00:36:49 ◼ ► You seek the video they're watching. And so there's little issues like that of like accidental input. [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► These issues with the key line and navigation of just imprecision. Because it's a touch pad like. [TS]
00:37:01 ◼ ► Honestly if they made this remote. With a regular Up down left right deep had kind of buttons like the old one. [TS]
00:37:08 ◼ ► As an option in that top area instead of the touchpad. I would choose that option. No question. [TS]
00:37:13 ◼ ► And maybe a get maybe in the future. If ab start really needing to touch pad and taking good advantage of it. [TS]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Those kind of things in my opinion are made worse by the touch pad not better. Have you tried to use your old Apple T.V. [TS]
00:37:36 ◼ ► Remotes. With the new Apple T.V. Because my understanding is it does have an R. Receiver and that does work. [TS]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Yeah you can. Yeah and. Which is nice because like we have a universal logic tech harmony thing. [TS]
00:37:46 ◼ ► And so that can control it also because it works. It'll accept the old kind of input from all the older modes. [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► So that's nice but then you don't have things like Siri. Kind of miss out on some of the new features so again. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Chances are we're probably August and get used to it and it will probably blow over. [TS]
00:38:04 ◼ ► But I don't think that takes away from that there are downside you know it's very similar in so many ways. [TS]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Very similar to the force to extract pad which I finally got to try the full size one. Yesterday an app store. [TS]
00:38:16 ◼ ► And I actually was about as I expected it and neither was the keyboard. Actually at the keyboard but in the trackpad. [TS]
00:38:21 ◼ ► And if that's the future keyboard of Apple laptop which I assume it will be. Then it's on that. [TS]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and I think the touch feel sucks on the force extract that and the full sized one. [TS]
00:38:41 ◼ ► No different from all the different settings in the App Store. It feels in my opinion the click feels awful. [TS]
00:39:03 ◼ ► By making it a text that even that isn't for stock in our computers too but they've added to keep billets by making it. [TS]
00:39:09 ◼ ► You know a touch pad instead of just up down left right buttons. But the basics of like you're operating this thing. [TS]
00:39:24 ◼ ► And that I think is is always going to have a baseline level of slight frustration for a lot of people. [TS]
00:39:36 ◼ ► You know on the previous shows I complained about all the things that are still wrong with throughout before I had laid [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► That's also true it shouldn't be shaped the way it is it's way too small it's not it's not made for to be easy to grip. [TS]
00:39:48 ◼ ► Mark of took elect about accidentally touching the touch pad it symmetrical more or less it symmetrical. [TS]
00:40:01 ◼ ► and if you try to feel which side is right by perhaps feeling the different texture of the Touch Pad nothing. [TS]
00:40:06 ◼ ► If you happen to feel around and it's touch bedside yeah you're going to move the video. [TS]
00:40:10 ◼ ► All that stuff the stupid it shouldn't be shaped like this it should be bigger it should be something that eggnog is [TS]
00:40:15 ◼ ► that people are going to grab it with their hands the button should be different sizes and shapes and textures [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► But specifically on the issue of the Touch Pad versus that a bad thing like that I have trouble. [TS]
00:40:27 ◼ ► I don't understand why this is maybe just because of the way moving my thumb I have trouble doing up down left [TS]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and right I can mostly get it to do it every time but up down have a little trouble. [TS]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Are better than the previous album Alyssa first thing. Piers Albert did not have a deep pad in the Nintendo sent. [TS]
00:40:50 ◼ ► and downright And yes if you like well you're feeling the edges of the remote don't you know that left is perpendicular [TS]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and right as you know it like very often it just didn't feel security as an actual deep had risen to the ranks will be [TS]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and like the stupid tiny one in the Game Cube controller which was impossible to tell us your action you're pressing [TS]
00:41:11 ◼ ► even though it was across anyway. I didn't like that circle. But setting that aside. [TS]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Even if you're comparing it to a full size good deep had the most important thing is this this Touch Pad has despite [TS]
00:41:22 ◼ ► the fact that they're not as the wrong shape despite the fact that kind of hard to like a reach to the touch pad area. [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► Over all the buttons and everything and safely and safely get to it without actually swiping [TS]
00:41:37 ◼ ► The nightmare realm of controlling anything on your television which used to be right up on Apple T.V. [TS]
00:41:43 ◼ ► and On your actual television and I never use the roguery most writing I got so I don't know what they like [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► And so any time you were faced with anything that had a lot of stuff on the screen. And you wanted to go through it. [TS]
00:41:58 ◼ ► But you wanted to be able to select any one of those things whether it's letters in the alphabet. [TS]
00:42:02 ◼ ► List items in a big list or anything like that you don't have to go. Next next next next next. Right right. Up up. [TS]
00:42:07 ◼ ► DOWN DOWN LEFT LEFT FOR YOU do the contra code try to get to the thing that you want your screen. [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► You never had a way to go more than one thing. And so. Yeah on the Tivo they did smart things like hate on this menu. [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► but even that was like discrete it's discrete versus continuous having a touchpad having [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Because if you see something that's at the very top of the very left a very right you can flick over to it [TS]
00:42:40 ◼ ► One two three four five six seven one two three five one two three four five six seven. Mentally. [TS]
00:42:44 ◼ ► Even if not speed wise even if you were to stop watching me I was actually slower. [TS]
00:42:48 ◼ ► Mentally speaking it feels better to me not to be stuck in this like hateful game of Frogger across the road. [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► Now the touchpad the chose to do it on the shape of the touchpad the fact that like bends down the fact the whole top [TS]
00:43:05 ◼ ► All that is bad but I'm here to defend the concept of finally divorcing the television from a discrete single step [TS]
00:43:19 ◼ ► And the sort of advance things that I was talking about market you should try this it doesn't help with the accidental [TS]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Don't try to do the swiping Eventually I gave up on getting my thumb to correctly so I pop in down to get the to the [TS]
00:43:36 ◼ ► I like it because you don't have to press always down to really don't like that click like trying to play cross your [TS]
00:43:43 ◼ ► I didn't like having to press down all Rick I wish these game developers had accepted attachments that have a quick [TS]
00:43:51 ◼ ► and it doesn't feel good doesn't feel good as a game controller at all to feel flag and it doesn't you know. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Touch a touch pad on the right to go right touch that top of the touch pad to go up touch the bottom of the touch pad [TS]
00:44:04 ◼ ► to go down. Don't click it just touch it. If you. If you want to go. I rather go right right right down down down. [TS]
00:44:12 ◼ ► You can do that much faster if you don't have to actually physically depress the button. So I am pro. [TS]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Having something I can swipe to navigate. And I am pro having something that registers my touch. [TS]
00:44:27 ◼ ► The particular implementation on this remote is not ideal but I would still rather use this remote than the old one. [TS]
00:44:34 ◼ ► But it's a big enough when that I would never like because you know I still have my regular Apple T.V. [TS]
00:44:39 ◼ ► Remote with a circle on it which I never use. I would never thought that for this one. And I probably wouldn't swap. [TS]
00:44:48 ◼ ► With this one because that you know like Marcus said you're missing a serious button but even just I just I just enjoy. [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► Not being in the business of hitting a button repeatedly to go. An integer number of screen items. [TS]
00:45:02 ◼ ► I can't wait for all the tweets and e-mails you get about the Konami code being referred to as the contract [TS]
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00:47:40 ◼ ► So any other thoughts on the Apple T.V. I do have more. So many thoughts or an hour of using this thing. [TS]
00:47:46 ◼ ► I'm surprised a lot of people have asked me about the video scrapping I've talked about my anger with how videos [TS]
00:47:53 ◼ ► covering works in most television. Attach devices and these days. Also with many things that are in web pages or. [TS]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and how you say they all seem to be true I describe exactly the way I wanted it always wanted to be done. [TS]
00:48:14 ◼ ► One of the worst things about video scrubbing with with if you just have buttons. Is you know like. [TS]
00:48:21 ◼ ► If you go to the end of the movie or like was a scene in the middle I want to look at the thing again. [TS]
00:48:25 ◼ ► All you can do is perhaps. Press the you know. Rewind button multiple times to go like one X.P. Ten X.P. Twenty X. [TS]
00:48:33 ◼ ► Speed and it's going really fast and you have to hit the pause button so you don't overshoot it [TS]
00:48:45 ◼ ► And the other difficulty have a complaint about as if you want to go to the middle of the thing or jump back. [TS]
00:48:56 ◼ ► and essentially do the television app equivalent of beach ball where it's trying to load the video where the thumbnail [TS]
00:49:01 ◼ ► or want to show you a frame of video you like just go to thirty minutes then you feel like you know you wish you could [TS]
00:49:06 ◼ ► have somebody who can just type three zero colons zero zero go through that offset now. [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► Don't do anything else don't try to show me the video sliding past. I don't care what you do.. [TS]
00:49:21 ◼ ► At least playing like all the things that I tried most of like television shows movies from i Tunes Maybe it's up to [TS]
00:49:25 ◼ ► other apps to do the same thing I think I try to be zero and Showtime and Netflix is only thing to do similarly well [TS]
00:49:30 ◼ ► but anyway. Certainly for the apple things. While you're playing as Mark A found out. If you swipe. [TS]
00:49:36 ◼ ► The little touch pad. It moves the play head. And it moves the play had no matter what immediately. [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► If it doesn't have video to show you the thumbnail be whatever the last frame was. [TS]
00:49:56 ◼ ► And it is a glorious like finally finally I understood that that is the most important thing. [TS]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Although stuff I don't care like if you can do it fine as I did I loaded like a an episode of Legend of Korra something [TS]
00:50:08 ◼ ► So it had all the things that will show you live thumbnails as you Scott Brown if you can but if you can't. [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► It always prioritizes moving them now and then when you hit the button to play from the position. [TS]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Maybe takes a little while for to get the video and start playing in that position to find whatever. [TS]
00:50:22 ◼ ► When you're watching. You can tap. You can click the left side of the touch pad. There's another good U.I. [TS]
00:50:37 ◼ ► If you were to press here we go back ten seconds you haven't actually done the back ten seconds yet [TS]
00:50:41 ◼ ► and same thing if you would just lay your thumb on the right side of the Touch Pad It says that you can go forward [TS]
00:50:48 ◼ ► If you tap about and you can go forward and back thirty seconds of course we've all seen the cool Siri demos of. [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► What did he say and then it goes back. Some amount of seconds. Turns on subtitles. Shows you what you just saw. [TS]
00:51:01 ◼ ► Which I think is a very clever feature The only difficulty is if you miss an entire conversation I don't know how to [TS]
00:51:10 ◼ ► They had to make a compromise there it seems like a reasonable compromise but anyway. [TS]
00:51:14 ◼ ► You can swipe down from the top to pull the menu item down to turn on off subtitles another thing that was a little bit. [TS]
00:51:19 ◼ ► annoying to do if you didn't know the secret shortcuts of the old Apple T.V. You can fast forward and rewind scan. [TS]
00:51:27 ◼ ► Fast sort rewind scanning as like a Playstation three is where you have from like one point five X.. [TS]
00:51:38 ◼ ► Is because it doesn't have flicks scrubbing through the whole thing. That's not a problem the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:51:42 ◼ ► I go right to the middle of something or right to the end or right to three quarters through. Very easily. [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Whereas in the Play Station I would have to go to one twenty X. Mode and move over to it ever but anyway. [TS]
00:51:54 ◼ ► They finally did it right as far as I can tell if applications do it wrong I will least know that it is not the fault [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► of the hardware or the O.-S. Is only the fault of the people in pointing those applications. [TS]
00:52:07 ◼ ► I'm impressed I really thought you were going to find something to dislike about this but. [TS]
00:52:14 ◼ ► No I mean really I've heard only I haven't done much video scrubbing with it myself because I'm not much of a scrubber. [TS]
00:52:21 ◼ ► But I've heard only great things about it from people who care more about these things are [TS]
00:52:34 ◼ ► With the with the number of times you have to enter passwords on that terrible key line. [TS]
00:52:41 ◼ ► and all that whole engine that is that is in there is incredibly good. And also I mean this is. This is just a. [TS]
00:52:48 ◼ ► It's just good hardware. You know this has the eight has two gigs of RAM it's fast. I am optimistic. [TS]
00:52:55 ◼ ► For the future of this platform. Just because of what everyone else is going to do with it. [TS]
00:52:59 ◼ ► You know what Apple does that is still a big question mark. And Apple stuff recently has been inconsistent. [TS]
00:53:05 ◼ ► I would say you know like some stuff. They nail pretty well some stuff is pretty half baked even. Well after launch. [TS]
00:53:17 ◼ ► Third party stuff I think there's a lot here to do that there's a lot of hardware to use. [TS]
00:53:23 ◼ ► There's you know we'll talk about gaming in a second be after the next Ponce or break as there's lots about here. [TS]
00:53:39 ◼ ► Just to see like you know how much work will this take Do I have to really make a lot of special cases [TS]
00:53:43 ◼ ► or do it doesn't the is going to need a whole lot of work to do or will it need relatively little. [TS]
00:53:48 ◼ ► And so I'm playing with the S.T.K. and Playing with the hardware a little bit and. It is of really really nice. [TS]
00:53:56 ◼ ► Challenges are going to certainly be there but it is really nice to develop for because it is basically I.O.'s. [TS]
00:54:04 ◼ ► Minus some stuff. But it is very most of us is there. And the hardware is very capable and. [TS]
00:54:14 ◼ ► Developers will be complaining they have to go go all the way back and support the eight. [TS]
00:54:18 ◼ ► But right now a new hardware line where the eight is the minimum is pretty nice. Because you can do. [TS]
00:54:30 ◼ ► So you can do things that really crank that C.P.U. Hard. So it is going to be a really really nice. Developer platform. [TS]
00:54:38 ◼ ► I do have concerns about whether it will be worth. Developers doing a lot for it so soon. [TS]
00:54:48 ◼ ► I'm going to be apps that are first thing to you know I was surprised when you load the thing up. Like it looks empty.. [TS]
00:54:55 ◼ ► It would start off with like tons of icons on your screen and new icons would appear whether you wanted them [TS]
00:54:59 ◼ ► or not you got to turn on like the. Whatever the parental controls to make them disappear and stuff. [TS]
00:55:04 ◼ ► This thing comes out and there's the apple icons for the Apple stuff. And settings and search and I sit. [TS]
00:55:18 ◼ ► You know I I don't know if this is just the top list or whatever but on the first screen. [TS]
00:55:28 ◼ ► I got you know how does it venture across the road Netflix H.B.O. Show done F.X. US A.B.C. N.B.C. C.B.S. [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► Like they're all there. The sort of base to restore my Apple T.V. To its previous level of functionality. [TS]
00:55:46 ◼ ► Was pretty easy to do when I went to download this I think this is the second time asking for my Apple ID password [TS]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and asked me Do you want to have to enter that like you want to do this every time you make a purchase [TS]
00:55:59 ◼ ► and I said no because I really don't want to enter it. Every time I make a purchase. [TS]
00:56:03 ◼ ► I accidently click the Yes on that because I I just miss use the trackpad it was another one of my many errors. [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► And I'm a little bit wary about that because I mean really it should have integration with Touch ID really they're much [TS]
00:56:18 ◼ ► have a Touch ID sensor on the last so many gimmies here that's by the way. With the negativity about this. [TS]
00:56:26 ◼ ► and it's like it's feels like an unforced error was like come on Apple you know how to do this is not your first Apple. [TS]
00:56:32 ◼ ► You have you have a name brand technologies across your whole product line that solve all of these problems you had an [TS]
00:56:37 ◼ ► existing I was at that work with the old one that gave you keyboard you've got touch I do you've got i Cloud key chain [TS]
00:56:49 ◼ ► That's why I feel so bad it's like this set up experience is worse than the apple norm for what seems like no good [TS]
00:56:55 ◼ ► reason the theories I've heard think I can smell feel this area like that the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Was actually done a long time ago and wasn't launched because the they're waiting for the content deals [TS]
00:57:11 ◼ ► That are old hat as far as we're concerned but they weren't all that when this work was actually done on the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:57:16 ◼ ► Team and of the Apple T.V. Team was more or less disbanded incentive do other things while the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:57:20 ◼ ► Just stood there I don't know if there's any truth behind that that's what it feels like. [TS]
00:57:24 ◼ ► So that's why people are complaining because it can be really bad Likewise for Jason where he's got except the ten new [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and you got do that on his back in your entering your stupid long password a million times with a terrible keyboard. [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► But if you power through that crap kind of like I powered through that stuff with my we you. To we transfer. [TS]
00:57:47 ◼ ► Experience. You can't the other side you're left with a product that I think is clearly better than the old Apple T.V.. [TS]
00:57:57 ◼ ► and the promise rostering to like talk about I love the fact that there's a touch pad their remote I hate pretty much [TS]
00:58:01 ◼ ► everything else about their not like I would like a good remote. With a touch pad and. [TS]
00:58:08 ◼ ► When you go to the apps which are which by the way people might not know it's there you double tap the home button [TS]
00:58:13 ◼ ► which looks like a big picture of a T.V. and Your remote will bring up. And I was like App So if you're rich. [TS]
00:58:18 ◼ ► That shows all your apps like kind of the old stop such a guy was a tab so if your shows each screen next to each other [TS]
00:58:24 ◼ ► when you go between them. You have to basically do the equivalent of a deep had input. Swipe so I pour tap tap. [TS]
00:58:41 ◼ ► Scrolling type thing where you can flick but if you flip your flicking like you're flicking the screen [TS]
00:58:55 ◼ ► but anyway I just feel a bit off to me a lot of that is because the Touch Pad is too darn small. But anyway. [TS]
00:59:06 ◼ ► and all of which were just really angry at Apple because they just seem like unforced errors. Yeah. [TS]
00:59:16 ◼ ► and there's going be a lot of people who are getting this this holiday season as they get their their first.. [TS]
00:59:47 ◼ ► Like that's not a Polish right that's just a just a plain feature thing. And the other. [TS]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Maybe I think you could says Pa If you make it because Apple recently updated the terms and conditions for the. [TS]
01:00:01 ◼ ► or you have have to enter your credit card code again or something anything involving purchasing from Apple. [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► The television doesn't have a way to do it for you to fix that apparently you have to go back to your mac [TS]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and try to do it in i Tunes which feels really weird kind of the same thing with those not Apple's fault entirely [TS]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Like I am they all have a thing that has like I'll go to your web browser and go to H.B.O. [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Doda com slash activate and enter this six letter code and. If you're out and you go to H.B.O. [TS]
01:00:32 ◼ ► Go website and wants you to log in with your cable providers. A log and print credentials in a possible little I frame. [TS]
01:00:38 ◼ ► And now you have of Arisan I framed inside H.B.O. Go which is all try to get your Apple T.V. To work and. [TS]
01:00:45 ◼ ► That is all gross and. It's going to confuse many a person. On Christmas morning. Or whenever. During the holidays. [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► but surely Apple can fix the equivalent of those experiences in its own ecosystem. [TS]
01:01:05 ◼ ► The story of them having it done and then disbanding the team waiting for content deals. If nothing remotely true. [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► That's silly because they just a left those people on and said. Just maintain the think keep pace. [TS]
01:01:21 ◼ ► And by the way while you're there find those corner cases for the people who haven't agreed to interact in terms of you [TS]
01:01:26 ◼ ► live without in the in the thing or whatever. I mean if I had to guess I'm guessing that the biggest reason why this. [TS]
01:01:33 ◼ ► Why is there so many rough edges around. Entering your password logging into the store different story issues. [TS]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Is because this crosses departments with an apple. This goes like you know from the engineering department. [TS]
01:01:49 ◼ ► Right and so that that crossing those crossing those lines has always been very messy in the product. [TS]
01:01:55 ◼ ► That's always where people had a lot of issues and errors and bad user experiences and. [TS]
01:02:05 ◼ ► Some of which conflict but most of which tend to agree. Any time the other teams need something from the store team. [TS]
01:02:18 ◼ ► There seems to be a lot of friction there. And I don't know whose fault it is it doesn't matter. [TS]
01:02:27 ◼ ► We see that friction in the same way that like it as Microsoft is so famous for in fighting back in the day I don't [TS]
01:02:33 ◼ ► know how bad it is now but back in the day they were famous for it. But between Windows and Office and a lot of times. [TS]
01:02:39 ◼ ► Those in fights would would affect customers negatively and really affect the whole company negatively as a result. [TS]
01:02:44 ◼ ► She that an apple in the way that the software products have to interact with the store backend [TS]
01:02:58 ◼ ► Things that need to interact with that tend to work worse than the rest of the stack. And the Apple T.V. As a product. [TS]
01:03:05 ◼ ► Depends so heavily on the store back end. That I think that is really causing a lot of this friction and. [TS]
01:03:14 ◼ ► And there might be tons of well meaning teams and people inside of Apple who are trying to fix this. [TS]
01:03:21 ◼ ► and divided between each other it just might be really hard to do and just. Therefore just doesn't happen. [TS]
01:03:29 ◼ ► Auspex of the story there it just seems to be the a things that have to do with like account management. [TS]
01:03:37 ◼ ► Of I tapped the little installer get icon I don't know why I sometimes had installs and I was a get [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► or whatever anyway I downloaded really fast. Like I was just basically going through. Tap tap tap. [TS]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and all the maybe they're all tiny apps because they're all T V M L And they're just kind of all that [TS]
01:03:58 ◼ ► When you had to deal with anything having to do with hey am I signed into my account. [TS]
01:04:02 ◼ ► Have I done any sort of administrative bookkeeping stuff related to my counter need to enter the little three did it [TS]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and said Well the seventeen other ways for you to do that you can't do that on your happened heavey. [TS]
01:04:17 ◼ ► We're just going to throw up something from your face and says Go do this someplace else and then come back here [TS]
01:04:21 ◼ ► and everything will work and you even with the weird sign and stuff like going to the H.B.O. [TS]
01:04:26 ◼ ► Thing and signing on through Verizon and all of the stuff. It's like OK well. Your device is activated now. [TS]
01:04:32 ◼ ► Go back to your T.V. and It should be activated and I always walk into the next room to go back to my T.V. [TS]
01:04:37 ◼ ► Dreading the fact that I'm going to look at the Wii and if there's going to be sitting there saying please sign. [TS]
01:04:44 ◼ ► If that happens like what the hell do you do you just go back and try to go but every time I did it actually worked [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► That is not a seamless experience dealing with Apple's own story so not a seamless experience [TS]
01:04:55 ◼ ► but some aspects of it are good the video downloads fast apps download fast apps launch fast. [TS]
01:05:01 ◼ ► If this thing feels faster than my Tivo which is ridiculous considering my Tivo cost like five times as much literally. [TS]
01:05:13 ◼ ► I want to the apps which I went back to a game that I had played like a half an hour ago [TS]
01:05:16 ◼ ► when the game was still in memory sitting in on the place where I left off. That is a sort of premium quality T.V. [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► It's all good but you have just embarrassing the set up stuff is just embarrassing [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► Like maybe people will eventually come to appreciate what I was just describing the swiping as versus the tapping [TS]
01:05:41 ◼ ► but that may be more just a personal thing where I hate waiting for the machine to do anything [TS]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and I hate the fact that I have to I know I'm going to have to be pressing release this little rubberized button to [TS]
01:05:56 ◼ ► That probably doesn't annoy other people's much of that annoys me in fact other people probably feel more comfortable [TS]
01:06:01 ◼ ► feeling that physical quick seven times to get from place to place so I don't think they're going to pick up on those. [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► The things that appeal to me rather remote may not be the things that the all the other people [TS]
01:06:10 ◼ ► and everything else about theirs miswrote is just terrible as discussed in previous shows it's just too small to the [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► It's doesn't feel good it doesn't look good it doesn't light up it's not easy to find a fall down couch cushions. [TS]
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01:08:35 ◼ ► Wow that was a long I was a long pause So John I'm assuming that your gaming experience has been has been limited in [TS]
01:08:41 ◼ ► Well here's what I plan to play Cross hero to put out of the adventure to games I've already it was already familiar [TS]
01:08:46 ◼ ► I thought cross the road was what I thought all those adventure was the best test because it only has one button module [TS]
01:08:59 ◼ ► and that's that's why I said before that I think of is the the remote isn't like that touch pad that you press it [TS]
01:09:07 ◼ ► actually would have actually been like it bends that. To videos down. That's not a good. Button. [TS]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Like if that's going to be the main button you press like to start to during a flipper jump or whatever [TS]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and all those adventure. It just doesn't feel good as a button does not feel like a controller button. It is. [TS]
01:09:23 ◼ ► I mean it's big it's easy to find it's not like you know it's good to be the primary [TS]
01:09:27 ◼ ► but it's just not just feel good it's a pretty loud click it feels more like. I don't know what it feels like. [TS]
01:09:47 ◼ ► and it just it feels kind of like there's a little bit of what I know there probably isn't lag I don't know what I'm [TS]
01:09:52 ◼ ► feeling maybe I'm feeling like the fact that my thumb has to go through a lot of travel I don't know. [TS]
01:09:57 ◼ ► I've I've spent a lot of time using all sorts of controllers Miss A doesn't feel like a controller and B. [TS]
01:10:09 ◼ ► Similar across the road I feel like a little bit better has kind of more deliberate I guess we're going to hop hop hop. [TS]
01:10:16 ◼ ► And then cross road of course you have to do the sideswipe on the upside to do the directional changes and. [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► I found that the directional changes frustratingly inaccurate in the I.R.S. Games where you swiping on the screen. [TS]
01:10:25 ◼ ► I don't know if it's because I'm trying to help playing sax on you guys don't remember that [TS]
01:10:29 ◼ ► but it was sort of isometric view of a game where I could never quiet my. My hand. [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► I coordinate connection could never cry to get on the same page in terms that OK so I my in my pressing up to the left. [TS]
01:10:43 ◼ ► Like northwest. To try to make my Zaxxon shift go. Left in ship space or and live pressing directly west. [TS]
01:10:56 ◼ ► or from the perspective I'm looking at the screen is very often across the road I will swipe. [TS]
01:10:59 ◼ ► What looks like left along the ground but it wants me to swipe left. With respect to the screen anyway. [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► Those problem seemed less than somewhat by using the swipe your MO for television I don't know why I did like on my [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and cross the road I hadn't played in a very long time I did really well with a television so I guess the controls game [TS]
01:11:19 ◼ ► but the button is still pretty terrible performance wise it performs like it I hate so you know those games are not [TS]
01:11:26 ◼ ► The games launch fast they they want faster on a lot of our eye with devices because I don't have many I was devices [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► that are as fast as an eight and house. I can't imagine playing a quote unquote. Real console game. With that remote. [TS]
01:11:38 ◼ ► I don't even like playing with that with that we remote sideways. And that has a real be bad on it. [TS]
01:11:44 ◼ ► So I don't know if gaming was the kids seem interested in the because they play a lot of Iowa's games they're excited [TS]
01:11:50 ◼ ► to play them on T.V. We play to play across your own that was a little fun twist as well. [TS]
01:11:55 ◼ ► I don't know if I'll do a lot of gaming on it I guess it depends on what games come out [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► but I know I'll be more inclined to to take it seriously as a gaming device for my game you need. [TS]
01:12:06 ◼ ► If it had but we know Mark already bought which is a third party control looks like a console controller. [TS]
01:12:13 ◼ ► Yes So about the controller. I haven't used it yet it's. It's charging up on my desk. [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► And I'm probably going to try to out tomorrow night. But. It feels. You know it's fifty bucks. [TS]
01:12:30 ◼ ► Is reasonable a reasonable price is this what you should say what make a model that says it's the Steelcase Nimbus [TS]
01:12:39 ◼ ► You can use any I think you use any made for i Phone controller with it. OK. So anyway. [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► The Deep had does not feel very good the buttons don't feel very good it feels kind of like. [TS]
01:12:57 ◼ ► You know like back in the day. I don't know I don't know what the current market for these things would be. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► You occasionally be at a friend's house where they didn't want to spend the full twelve dollars to get the name brand. [TS]
01:13:15 ◼ ► So you'd be Player two and you'd have like the like not the twelve darn nice one but the seven dollar crappy one. [TS]
01:13:22 ◼ ► And it was like a third party kind of cheap knockoff tried to be as good as the real say go on but never was. [TS]
01:13:29 ◼ ► This feels like one of those like compared to the other you compared to like you know real Sony [TS]
01:13:43 ◼ ► and doesn't it doesn't feel like terrible it just doesn't feel good. So all that aside. [TS]
01:13:50 ◼ ► There was a great article I put it like in the should I say I want to bring up those great article on polygon. [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► Today I think that came out. That was all about like you know like one of the best games in Apple T.V. [TS]
01:13:59 ◼ ► and and It talks about like you know how many of them actually change noticeably. If you're using this controller. [TS]
01:14:08 ◼ ► And like Rain Man like it becomes like a lot of the INS like it like in Rain Man A Give the case where apparently. [TS]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Normally if you just use the Apple T.V. Remote. The player can just runs fix be in your control and jumping in stuff. [TS]
01:14:22 ◼ ► And if you plug into controller that you can you have full control over the player. [TS]
01:14:26 ◼ ► So it's like the games change in pretty substantial ways. If you use one of these controllers. [TS]
01:14:31 ◼ ► But in general I think there's going to be two main problems that this faces number one. [TS]
01:14:42 ◼ ► Just because the economics are not going to work out for people for a while if ever. Well. [TS]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and they were talked about I'm pretty sure is shovelware like that is that as a high profiled multi-platform console [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► I'm played in but it doesn't matter so there's there's going to be obvious lot of shovelware from. [TS]
01:15:08 ◼ ► but you know so there's going to be issues of like you know the games are going to be that great. [TS]
01:15:13 ◼ ► From from just like the the budget perspective. Because they're not going to make that much money. [TS]
01:15:22 ◼ ► They're they're not going to make as much money on this device that you're lucky to get ten bucks upfront for a game. [TS]
01:15:28 ◼ ► Or do some kind of terrible and I purchased scheme. And the installed base for the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:15:33 ◼ ► Is going to be smaller than the game console for a while probably in the long term it'll little eventually surpass them. [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► But for at least a few years it's probably going to be smaller. So we'll see what happens there. [TS]
01:15:45 ◼ ► To me I think what we're going to see here. I think it's kind of like You Tube versus H.B.O. Of games. [TS]
01:15:52 ◼ ► If that makes some sense. The big budget AAA game that's like the H.B.O. In this analogy like. [TS]
01:15:58 ◼ ► Those are going to go to the consul's in the P.C.'s. Because that's where they can charge the most money. [TS]
01:16:02 ◼ ► And really respect the most hardcore enthuses are willing to pay a premium to play those games. And to really get into. [TS]
01:16:13 ◼ ► and most what's going to guard some of the soon to be good. That I think is going to be more like what the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:16:22 ◼ ► It's probably never going to be the quality you get out of out of the AAA studio. AAA released on a console. [TS]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and distribution despite all of our complaint in the App Store is still WAY easier than trying to ship a console game. [TS]
01:16:41 ◼ ► So you know. I think it's going to be more like that and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. [TS]
01:16:46 ◼ ► But it's just different and it's this is never going to be a competitive gaming console. [TS]
01:16:51 ◼ ► In what we think of as a gaming console but it might be a thing that people play games on. [TS]
01:16:57 ◼ ► If that makes sense of rhythm follow up apparently Rayman Legends is not an Iowa skull [TS]
01:17:02 ◼ ► or a man adventures I'm not sure how much it shares that her and Legends is on Play Station three and far [TS]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and the way you and three sixty and I saw this one in the read on Windows but not in Iowa us. [TS]
01:17:13 ◼ ► So like I I have some hope for the people who are good at making I was games will become good at making Apple T.V. [TS]
01:17:22 ◼ ► I'm really disappointed about the rules surrounding controllers I'm disappointed Apple doesn't make a first party [TS]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Is still entirely true with the one possible exception of controllers Major you sports which costs more [TS]
01:17:36 ◼ ► and are presumably higher quality and better feeling. But the consumer third party controllers. [TS]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Always gross like even as recently as I think the last one I actually bought was maybe for the Game Cube [TS]
01:17:48 ◼ ► but I always play with them stories he would think how how going to be that much worse like it's just it's a pad with [TS]
01:17:53 ◼ ► buttons and if you look at pictures of me like actually a third party ones look better like they're better shape. [TS]
01:17:59 ◼ ► I like where they did with the controls and you just press the button. You like but if you guys done. [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► How does it feel so different or better at like like a Super Nintendo controller would feel better than this. [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► Yeah and I don't know what magic first party controllers have or just you know you could say. [TS]
01:18:17 ◼ ► It's just that you're used to the first party control you get the thing use the player longer for a long time then you [TS]
01:18:22 ◼ ► get a new cheap out and you know thirty one and it feels different and you don't like it [TS]
01:18:25 ◼ ► but there is no force party controller. With the Apple T.V. It is just that silly remote. [TS]
01:18:29 ◼ ► So it's not like you're comparing the Nimbus the OK thing to Apple's first party control that feels really good. [TS]
01:18:37 ◼ ► You know feel good to your hand so I totally believe that. I don't know what it is that makes first party controllers. [TS]
01:18:43 ◼ ► So much better although I have to say that I'm still you know I have been playing destiny in my P.S. [TS]
01:18:49 ◼ ► For control of her a long time and L. To an archer trigger squeak. When I hold them down. [TS]
01:18:53 ◼ ► And it bothers me a little bit. I destroyed it by playing five hundred hours of destiny. [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Triggers that sweet little bit too but compared to the we. Program troll or which feels the sought of Iraq. [TS]
01:19:10 ◼ ► Even though some six are in the wrong place anyway. I may be interested enough to buy a real controller from Apple T.V.. [TS]
01:19:19 ◼ ► Depending on how much my kids get into playing you know how much I get into playing it [TS]
01:19:23 ◼ ► but your view so far of this day OK. Numbers is not making a run on by a particular model so many voters weight. [TS]
01:19:33 ◼ ► I don't think the market can really support a lot of them. I think it can support. One to two. Really. [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► And only because like. If this wasn't sold in the Apple Store I wouldn't have even considered it. [TS]
01:19:45 ◼ ► But I was there to get a second Apple T.V. and I wanted one for for my desk to develop on. So I could. [TS]
01:19:56 ◼ ► So I want to do so anyway I was there I got one kind of impulse buying. But if they were in the store. I don't think. [TS]
01:20:04 ◼ ► and see things to like Hey if people really start making console quality games. There's no reason. [TS]
01:20:12 ◼ ► Other than the fact that it will destroy you know the poor people who design the packaging to be like oh. [TS]
01:20:17 ◼ ► I have to put this in the box and destroy the whole box is on as opposed to be a cute little Apple T.V. [TS]
01:20:25 ◼ ► and now you going to give me this control it's bigger that entire box combined I got mine that was the but this. [TS]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Like a part of these things like half the reason I don't want to sell a controller is because it necessarily would have [TS]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and everything about all their packaging their products like how small can make the box how many of these Can we finish [TS]
01:20:46 ◼ ► And there's just no getting around the fact that if you want something for adults to hold with two hands. [TS]
01:20:53 ◼ ► No honestly I think that that is probably a really big part of the reason why they don't make one they seem to do a lot [TS]
01:21:00 ◼ ► like this is kind of like what I mentioned last week about how I feel like Johnny Ives influence is slightly too strong [TS]
01:21:08 ◼ ► in the organization news be some some adjustment there. I feel like the. The influence. It's of packaging. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Size is supposed to wrong right now that they do things like that that like. It's optimizing for the size of the box. [TS]
01:21:28 ◼ ► So there are some things that they could use I think some rebalance and but regardless. Yeah. [TS]
01:21:32 ◼ ► I wouldn't expect Apple to make a game controller the penny good even he did make one for themselves because for all [TS]
01:21:38 ◼ ► the same reasons everything that that is making Apple's products. Compelling and good today. [TS]
01:21:51 ◼ ► What is required to make a good game controller. Goes totally against. Apple's hardware design. In recent years. [TS]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Like day I don't think they are capable of shipping one that is good they would never get out the door. Yeah. [TS]
01:22:13 ◼ ► and I kind of like packaging is kind of silly because there are likely to reasons for the packaging to you know me to [TS]
01:22:17 ◼ ► make a minimal pack regardless of the side of the product you do want to make no packaging for Economics [TS]
01:22:21 ◼ ► and for environmental reasons both of which are good to go but. You just look at the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:22:28 ◼ ► In the size the remote and you have to think these two were designed as a pair and they are in scale with each other [TS]
01:22:38 ◼ ► I don't care how big the puck is don't size their remote based on the size of the puck. [TS]
01:22:47 ◼ ► And that's not too many things that Apple makes that you that you grip in that way. [TS]
01:22:51 ◼ ► Like Obviously the phones in the pads and stuff they just they want to be like you know. [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► Then it's done it's not in the lightest possible until they're you know until it becomes a non-issue in your calling [TS]
01:23:00 ◼ ► like a a completely clear he's Oleksandr weighs almost nothing that magically has an image of your screen Apple would [TS]
01:23:06 ◼ ► be all for that right but they they make keyboards that you touch in those they've been trying to shrink down. [TS]
01:23:10 ◼ ► But at least the he got to keep have a still his eyes and make the sushi mouse. Which you touch but in a weird way. [TS]
01:23:16 ◼ ► And maybe if you hold it that way it's good but if you don't hold the way tough luck. I still like it. Yeah me too. [TS]
01:23:22 ◼ ► but they don't make many things that you that you kind of a grip and hold in using the same way that you would grip [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and hold a remote or a game controller because there's nothing on the remote of the game [TS]
01:23:40 ◼ ► when you use so it has to be sort of tactile and you have to be able to tell which way is what way [TS]
01:23:46 ◼ ► and where the buttons are and you know there's not there's not much like that they make and there. [TS]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Their aesthetic doesn't lend itself well to that because you know. The negative space for. [TS]
01:23:56 ◼ ► By the gripping human hand is ugly and there's no getting around that. Ergonomics are ugly. [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► Like things that are well design or Anomaly are not going to be as visually attractive. As a thin. Bar of soap. [TS]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Remote that they can make but you know. It might not work as well. But they are willing to make that trade off. [TS]
01:24:16 ◼ ► Because like a grip in this type of way because you can make a very are going to like and to beautiful. [TS]
01:24:24 ◼ ► Or or a lever or shift knob in a car or steering wheel or anything like that those can be both beautiful [TS]
01:24:33 ◼ ► But once you're wrapping your hand entirely around something like a controller that you're gripping with two hands [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► or remote that you gripping entirely with one hand then you're just all around the thing [TS]
01:24:43 ◼ ► and it's like you can't get around the fact that the hands don't want to go around a rectangular solid they don't want [TS]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and it's hard if it's a little tiny sliver of a thing it's hard to kind of grip that at the same time as a manipulating [TS]
01:24:59 ◼ ► I feel like the people from Oxo need to parachute into the industrial design headquarters at Apple. [TS]
01:25:04 ◼ ► All right guys listen. Everybody on the floor. You know just like strapped into the chairs. [TS]
01:25:09 ◼ ► And just go over although oxide is continuing the good cheese graters and maybe they're losing their way as well. [TS]
01:25:16 ◼ ► To go back and so I said that that I there were two challenges that I see for Apple T.V. Games and I only named one. [TS]
01:25:22 ◼ ► The other big one is. It's what I always say. Never go against the smartphone. All the Apple T.V. Games so far. Again. [TS]
01:25:42 ◼ ► That was that that was substantially better than just running that same game on an i Phone or an i Pad. [TS]
01:25:51 ◼ ► So because you know we've been everyone who's developing Iowa scheme so far mobile game so far has been doing on these [TS]
01:25:58 ◼ ► platforms where certain things apply we know all these all these as Dick isn't everything. [TS]
01:26:03 ◼ ► People who are making games that can be played nicely on a T.V. With a controller. [TS]
01:26:07 ◼ ► Have not really been in this business because business has not really allowed them to thrive. [TS]
01:26:12 ◼ ► So we need to either attract those kind of those trying to kind of games. Into the business. [TS]
01:26:18 ◼ ► Already to have our game developers start making games that actually make sense on T.V.'s more than it makes sense [TS]
01:26:26 ◼ ► I would say they're not substantially better than other how you how you qualify substantially because I think even [TS]
01:26:41 ◼ ► How can you make a fun game with very minimal controls most of the you just tap anywhere on the screen right now [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► They're totally designed for the very limited very primitive input and purposes and style of a touchscreen device. [TS]
01:27:06 ◼ ► Which is for console gamers part of the thing that annoys about I was Games is that if it doesn't have an interface [TS]
01:27:12 ◼ ► that totally demands touch like Flight Control writes like OK that's not working anywhere else. [TS]
01:27:16 ◼ ► You know it's got to be a finger or a mouse and finger kind of makes it more fun. But those type of games. [TS]
01:27:22 ◼ ► I like not having my hand blocking a screen is always the reason I was quite Alto on my i Pad as I don't like how much [TS]
01:27:28 ◼ ► My two thumbs potentially block when playing alto on my i Phone six or even worse on a foreign Shailesh device. [TS]
01:27:35 ◼ ► I like seeing the whole screen. Games that look good I think Alto does look pretty good or even cross the road. [TS]
01:27:41 ◼ ► They look really good on the big T.V. Big bright beautiful colors again none of it blocked by your fingers. [TS]
01:27:47 ◼ ► I think that is a big enough when that like if you if I was going for a high score in cross or outer Alto. [TS]
01:27:54 ◼ ► I would now do it on my television. Like I would I would not try to do it on my i Pad or I'm on my phone. [TS]
01:28:01 ◼ ► I would do better it's like it's better suited to even this really super simple kind of game it's not like I'm saying [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► well as a game that takes advantage full advantage of the controller and you couldn't play it at all and I was devised. [TS]
01:28:15 ◼ ► Like a cross the road of already got the my phone. Probably not because from what I've seen with my kids. [TS]
01:28:21 ◼ ► They they experience those games for the first time on their i was devices they're fine playing them there. [TS]
01:28:26 ◼ ► I don't think they would feel the same way I do about getting my fingers the hell away from the screen so I can see [TS]
01:28:35 ◼ ► He downloaded some first person shooter or I was and I like for like a phone size device. [TS]
01:28:41 ◼ ► Who in the world is trying to buy a first person shooter and a phone screen well. He's doing it. [TS]
01:28:45 ◼ ► He seems to be enjoying it so he doesn't know the other experience he plays minecraft on you know on the mac so he got [TS]
01:28:54 ◼ ► On the the P S four so he knows what it's like our consul controlling Here he is tilting the thing [TS]
01:28:59 ◼ ► and shoving a little fingers into different parts of the screen to try to make the guy walk forward in jump [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► So you may be right the market as a whole is not going to see a significant differentiator for the same games on the [TS]
01:29:16 ◼ ► So least maybe for all people who know what it's like been through the whole screen there is an upside. [TS]
01:29:21 ◼ ► The other thing too is like T.V. Screens are way worse than modern smartphone and tablet screens. [TS]
01:29:33 ◼ ► and I totally agree with Joe Steel on an upgrade this past week about how like there are so many like blurs that use [TS]
01:29:44 ◼ ► and Probably many T.V.'s to the point where it doesn't seem to this interface was designed for T.V.'s like I've got to [TS]
01:29:50 ◼ ► get better T.V.'s Anyway I like it in many ways. Gaining. When you used to gaming and I.O.'s gaming on on a T.V. Again. [TS]
01:30:02 ◼ ► and I totally agree there are so many kinds of games where a controller with a real deep had a real. [TS]
01:30:07 ◼ ► And real buttons or really like say whatever you whenever your case to be a controller with physical buttons. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Is so much better than touch controls for so many kinds of games not all. But so many kinds of games. And yet.. [TS]
01:30:33 ◼ ► Why it was presented to me in the first screen of apps and I almost bought it is a game that I never bought an i O. S. [TS]
01:30:39 ◼ ► Because I look at the game I'm like oh that's a console game is no way I'd want to play that [TS]
01:30:47 ◼ ► Ocean horn or something like that it's is all the clone basically it's a. It's all the. But not without adult IP and. [TS]
01:30:59 ◼ ► and you do Zelda like things with a character who is totally not named Link and soon as an apprentice. [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► I don't want to play that kind of again maybe because I'm old I don't want to play that kind of game on a console. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► I want to play on my television holding a controller and because I can't do that I'm never going to buy it now [TS]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Maybe I would play that maybe is just to get it in the context that I feel like certain types of games are going to [TS]
01:31:32 ◼ ► spend hours and hours. Going on like a quest and a game of continuity and saves an adventure an inventory. [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► The common case for for people who grew up with i OS devices but I definitely felt that [TS]
01:31:48 ◼ ► when I saw that icon that same game that I know is a quality game that I've seen lots of things about that I would [TS]
01:31:52 ◼ ► never in a million years would buy and plan my i Pad. Our i Phone. I was tempted to buy it on the television. [TS]
01:32:01 ◼ ► I should think it also want to know that this would be awesome for that would make my gamepad purchase worthwhile. [TS]
01:32:16 ◼ ► Yeah there is that one like there is there is some somebody open sourced one back when the devil kits for shipped out. [TS]
01:32:21 ◼ ► I have a bookmark somewhere. And one of my many tabs in my many chrome windows John. [TS]
01:32:36 ◼ ► Emulator machine but getting the software on their through the app store stuff is probably could be a problem. [TS]
01:32:41 ◼ ► And I think my OF LAST And yes I mean they're probably crashes on launch now. I was nine which is kind of a shame. [TS]
01:32:48 ◼ ► I don't in the early days of the App Store for people who were in around back then very frequently someone would manage [TS]
01:32:54 ◼ ► to get some kind of game emulator on to the app store briefly before Apple would pull it so if you purchased [TS]
01:33:02 ◼ ► Apple wouldn't remove it from your device even though it's gone from the store so a lot of us have these emulators from [TS]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and the developer can't release update televangelism just are crashing and launching don't work [TS]
01:33:15 ◼ ► but some still to resign follow up. Thanks to jelly bean soup book sounds disgusting. In a chat. [TS]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I know you want to talk Mike and Ike man. The emulator that I was referring to for Apple T.V. [TS]
01:33:28 ◼ ► Is called provenance and will in that mission notes. I will try it at somewhere I have like a D.V.R. A D.V.D. [TS]
01:33:36 ◼ ► Sorry David E. Plus our disk with like the entire Nintendo in Genesis. Catalogs on it and roms. [TS]
01:33:48 ◼ ► And I could be like a fun thing to do with my kid who's now. Like getting into games. [TS]
01:33:57 ◼ ► If that if that does work well then I will not regret the purchase of this controller at all so one final thing on. [TS]
01:34:08 ◼ ► Appearance was basically a black background. With light colored things on a lot of the icons were also kind of dark. [TS]
01:34:23 ◼ ► But also because I have a plasma television that does not like that show a for white screen. [TS]
01:34:28 ◼ ► And also because I have a plasma Taro television with various regions of the screen with burn in another Image [TS]
01:34:34 ◼ ► Retention artifacts on it from the kids watching Cartoon Network in a stupid C.N.N. [TS]
01:34:37 ◼ ► Logo burning into the side and the destiny you had burning into the left and so on and so forth. [TS]
01:34:46 ◼ ► But I bet if you own a plasma and I've heard from a CO They have already have done this. [TS]
01:34:51 ◼ ► And you think you don't have any Image Retention. Launching something like say. Chrisy road having a big giant uniform. [TS]
01:35:05 ◼ ► I can see the logo of the shall I watch all the time in the corner Well I didn't know that was there before [TS]
01:35:10 ◼ ► and same thing with the menu screens where it's like you just have this big sea of icons on a big it's not pure white [TS]
01:35:24 ◼ ► I don't think it's a reason for Apple not to do it except the only argument for Apple to go back to a black background [TS]
01:35:28 ◼ ► is just in general staring at a television with a white background is not fun on your eyeballs. Especially if you have. [TS]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and having a Fulbright screen even of the room is not dark having a full white screen with icons on it. [TS]
01:35:57 ◼ ► and also kind of feels more T.V.'s methink plexus your eyes like that case you can tell me I'm wrong.. [TS]
01:36:03 ◼ ► Well plexus you I. In general tends to be. I don't know. It is T.V.'s but I've not seen it on the new Apple T.V. [TS]
01:36:13 ◼ ► and so you think it's conceivable that that would also be a light background with dark text on instead of what I'm used [TS]
01:36:19 ◼ ► to seeing which is black background with live text the pictures I've seen I thought it looked very much like the home [TS]
01:36:29 ◼ ► With like whitish text on it but yeah well they're using a lot of the a lot of layout template the get from T V M L. [TS]
01:36:38 ◼ ► And I'm with you John I honestly I didn't realize I'd forgotten what does look like in the in the event. [TS]
01:36:48 ◼ ► And I also have a plasma even though it's an ancient one but I I had made I would prefer a dark theme for T.V. [TS]
01:36:56 ◼ ► So it just kind of feels like. That is that the color scheme for T.V. Is black with. You know color were necessary. [TS]
01:37:04 ◼ ► Rather than what we have with this which is just everything is just bright and full of banded Grady all over the place. [TS]
01:37:11 ◼ ► So they do vibrancy to that so that's the thing I actually do think ours they do a vibrancy effect where like the new [TS]
01:37:18 ◼ ► when you're on like a setting screen you can see behind it the sort of like you can [TS]
01:37:28 ◼ ► and feel like it's not a fact that you've seen there else they do on the television. And that I don't mind so much. [TS]
01:37:36 ◼ ► But it's is the thing that it's covering up that having a dog or gray thing over some icons looks OK but [TS]
01:37:47 ◼ ► Icons on light gray or Wyatt it just it just doesn't doesn't feel right to me. Now under. [TS]
01:37:52 ◼ ► There's different vibrancy modes. One of them is super light and one of them is middle one of those dark. [TS]
01:37:57 ◼ ► So it's really up to developers to to choose but I think by default and kind of like the. [TS]
01:38:09 ◼ ► but you can look at this screenshots of the Plex Apple put in the show notes it looks like it does the vibrancy thing [TS]
01:38:15 ◼ ► and like for example showing a thing from Louis here. As this is the flex up or as a severed Yeah.. [TS]
01:38:20 ◼ ► That's that's Louis habits you get using all the built in templates from T.M.O. Anyway. [TS]
01:38:29 ◼ ► With like a blue sky and some clouds the whole background of the page is kind of like a blurred. [TS]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Smeared version of the you know it's. It does Auto Color theming right. Like Breaking Bad is like greenish. [TS]
01:38:45 ◼ ► And that means does similar things like apples bananas for a long time trying to sort of have algorithm Legion. [TS]
01:39:00 ◼ ► and they seem super determined to be able to do it. And I think they do a pretty good job here. [TS]
01:39:05 ◼ ► I like the fact that every one of these screens isn't completely black with white text on it like it used to be on the. [TS]
01:39:10 ◼ ► old Apple T.V. Sometimes you get a bum color scheme sometimes things are hard to read. So maybe you could say. Apple. [TS]
01:39:27 ◼ ► but on the on for television interface I think this gives an apple a branding because they're the one company. [TS]
01:39:36 ◼ ► What seems like a very stupid idea for how to color theme things out rhythmically. [TS]
01:39:46 ◼ ► It's when you go always back to the menu screen where it's like well now you're at the bottom. [TS]
01:39:49 ◼ ► And all there is is a very light gray background with some drop shadows on it that that still feels wrong. [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Harry's Cards Against Humanity and back please and we'll see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]
01:40:09 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be because it was accidental. It was accidental. JOHN going to be seen with him. [TS]
01:40:22 ◼ ► Because it was accidental. It was accidental. And you can find the show nom de de de da. [TS]
01:40:39 ◼ ► He was no says that ski lifts and the and and the Marco are limited to fifty states the real key is. [TS]
01:41:06 ◼ ► when you get your Apple T.V. You will have things talk about. Well honestly Casey now you have to get one. [TS]
01:41:12 ◼ ► You can tell us about plex on it. Rival aren't enough about myself to know that what that. [TS]
01:41:20 ◼ ► and I don't know I probably I'm this this. Optical things really chap in my hand and and it's stupid like. [TS]
01:41:29 ◼ ► Conceptually I know it's stupid I know it's not that big a deal and I can get over it [TS]
01:41:32 ◼ ► but it's really just get one of those thirty dollar boxes it's not worth this fretting it. [TS]
01:41:35 ◼ ► The thirty on a box might break. But it might not ever break. So what return it. Get a different one. [TS]
01:41:41 ◼ ► If it doesn't break. Problems all you can get to them for the cause of the game control. Jastrow. [TS]
01:41:46 ◼ ► It's all I know I'm being crazy like I said earlier there's no doubt my mind this is a Casey issue [TS]
01:41:50 ◼ ► and I'm just being weird. But I don't know it really grinds my gears that. That that's the way that. That is involved. [TS]
01:41:57 ◼ ► That much is like you said it makes total sense adopt that altho who call it off to go anymore you just need to get a [TS]
01:42:02 ◼ ► and you don't have the same excuse the market does where you're not allowed to get ones above a certain height so [TS]
01:42:12 ◼ ► My issue last that I brought up last time was that. I really want. Dynamic range compression. In my audio for my T.V. [TS]
01:42:27 ◼ ► That does not fit in this really really narrow spot. In our T.V. Stand and I have not found any receiver. [TS]
01:42:37 ◼ ► Even the Moran slimline ones which are almost there but not quite. And I also later on asked what the heck. [TS]
01:42:45 ◼ ► A sound bar was who I keep seeing sound bars are going to be the new cool thing I wanted what the heck it's a sound bar [TS]
01:42:51 ◼ ► why why do people keep buying. What appears to be a big row of tiny little speakers and turns out. [TS]
01:43:04 ◼ ► Many of them include range compression as a feature of the sound bar. Which is a wide. Skinny speaker. That can fit. [TS]
01:43:14 ◼ ► Free much anywhere in the kind of shape. Shelf. That I have our T.V. On with that everything comes that Apple T.V. [TS]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Comes that everything has it and everything you suffer your television in your current speakers. [TS]
01:43:26 ◼ ► Doesn't fact have built in recent version so that is also going to be something that will be a possible answer [TS]
01:43:33 ◼ ► but I'm actually a a very kind manufacturer of audio equipment has actually sent me a sound bar to do that [TS]
01:43:53 ◼ ► But like you know better sound is going to sound different. Because it's. Trying to say. Trying to be like. [TS]
01:43:58 ◼ ► It's just like a five by ones US them so is going to do crap by bouncing sound around your room. [TS]
01:44:07 ◼ ► If it actually is pleasing enough for you to to keep using it or if you say you know it that's just too weird. [TS]
01:44:11 ◼ ► I'd rather have either. Just plain stereo or five point one than this thing. You and I have to look at the same and. [TS]
01:44:20 ◼ ► and like settings of like you know if I can like tell it to just try to make it sound two D. and Like like to not. [TS]
01:44:27 ◼ ► Boost up the the depth. Simulation is much maybe it won't sound weird I don't know. [TS]
01:44:31 ◼ ► I'll let you know how goes you know that well that's the thing with it with the surround systems [TS]
01:44:35 ◼ ► and one of the reasons that people tend not to like them is pretty much every receiver. [TS]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Comes with like all these weird modes like. Pretend you're an opera hall right here in a stadium or you rather like. [TS]
01:44:49 ◼ ► I guess they're there to wow people and charms I'm going to tend they don't exist. [TS]
01:44:53 ◼ ► And so over the soundbar think what you. What you're probably going to be wanting is. [TS]
01:44:57 ◼ ► Please just play the center channel out of your center speakers. The right out of their left out of there. [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► but even that can sound weird if the speakers are angled behind the grill in weird ways because a lot of on they try to [TS]
01:45:08 ◼ ► bounce the back tiles off of like the side wall in the back wall the kind of you know I mean you know [TS]
01:45:12 ◼ ► and if they're if they're And I'm glad that they're never going to be going right at you like I feel like I was saying [TS]
01:45:18 ◼ ► Don't run of five point one mix out of less than five point one speakers because some sounds are only on a certain [TS]
01:45:26 ◼ ► and so you won't understand what someone is replying to it's like you're not hearing the whole movie. [TS]
01:45:29 ◼ ► So you have to play those speakers. But you just want them to play like just play the sound like. [TS]
01:45:38 ◼ ► or just play the sound straight at me because I'm not interested in feel I can feel like I'm surrounded. [TS]
01:45:42 ◼ ► I just want all of the sound coming straight for me anyway. Well. I can't wait to hear your view of this Amber. Thanks. [TS]
01:45:51 ◼ ► Doesn't even fit though that's another thing I would love for you to unpack the thing and realize. [TS]
01:45:54 ◼ ► It doesn't fit either. I measured and it should fit but should is different from does in practice we'll see. [TS]
01:46:03 ◼ ► And if I have my car back for a week until it goes into the body shop. My was a little bodies out. [TS]
01:46:11 ◼ ► So the area in which my house is and in between my house and work. There's a landfill. Don't be creepy and. [TS]
01:46:19 ◼ ► One of the main access roads to the landfill is one of the roads I drive on there's probably bore them one landfill in [TS]
01:46:29 ◼ ► I genuinely don't know how many there are that are accessible to the public so what happens is people who perhaps live [TS]
01:46:35 ◼ ► in like extraordinarily rural sections of this area which there are some but there. They're relatively far out. [TS]
01:46:41 ◼ ► Or if you just don't feel like paying for trash service you can bring your trash to the landfill and. [TS]
01:46:48 ◼ ► And you can dump it yourself Well the problem is nobody actually secures their trash as they're driving up this main [TS]
01:46:57 ◼ ► And apparently was daydreaming I wasn't MY PHONE hand on heart I was on my phone was [TS]
01:47:01 ◼ ► and fiddling with the radio I was just apparently not paying enough attention the road. [TS]
01:47:05 ◼ ► And I must a clip like a piece of wood or something and I heard this tremendous like Crash or bang or something and. [TS]
01:47:14 ◼ ► And I've discovered a day or two later because I went looking around the cart and seen a thing and I discovered a day [TS]
01:47:18 ◼ ► or two later that. I had apparently kicked it up with my rear passenger to the tire. And it impacted on the fender. [TS]
01:47:29 ◼ ► And so there's like this really bad like impact on the fender so it's going into the body shop next week for a parent [TS]
01:47:39 ◼ ► To the tune of a thousand dollars that thankfully insurance has already paid for. But yeah. [TS]
01:47:46 ◼ ► Yeah and then you have had some car problems as well I hear. So fortunately I have an employment to go get my. [TS]
01:47:52 ◼ ► My snow tires installed and get whatever. B.S. I'm supposed to get a mileage. Next week already. But. So yesterday. [TS]
01:48:03 ◼ ► My trunk stopped opening. So I don't have a trunk. For the time being. Well just use your for oh wait never mind. [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► There is literally no way to open it so it's one of those. It's one of those electric lifting. Trunk. Gate things. [TS]
01:48:28 ◼ ► And there's like three different to do you can do it on the key fob you can. You can grip the button. [TS]
01:48:36 ◼ ► There's a button there that you just push and it opens or there's a button in the driver's side foot well. [TS]
01:48:49 ◼ ► Because I think the whole point of like the various locks that are on the fold down seats in the back I think the whole [TS]
01:48:54 ◼ ► point is that you aren't supposed to have access to the trunk. Without going through the trunk. [TS]
01:48:58 ◼ ► Now if you had if it was mechanical and mechanical cars you had a key thing. A very often in the back seat. [TS]
01:49:03 ◼ ► You put a key actual physical HE WOULD YOU DO YOU EVEN HAVE. You know. Yes buried in the key fob. [TS]
01:49:08 ◼ ► I think I actually might have one of those little key slot in the in like the. The ski pass through. Yeah exactly. [TS]
01:49:14 ◼ ► And then if you get to that what you can do is get to the one that they have to put in there probably by law for like [TS]
01:49:20 ◼ ► if you get trapped in the trunk you have a way to get out. You know that little thing. Yep yep yep. [TS]
01:49:24 ◼ ► Yeah little people handle things out. So if you send out a man sent in a vendor this key thing and say OK Adam. [TS]
01:49:30 ◼ ► Pulled a little red hen Liza's Daddy I'm scared of these i just bought it anyway intentionally.. [TS]
01:49:35 ◼ ► You'll open the trunk but this. This I think the first car I ever saw the did this was. I agree C.L. [TS]
01:49:41 ◼ ► I remember looking at it and noticing that the trunk lid. Had no. No place to put a key and. [TS]
01:49:47 ◼ ► And no handles whatsoever on a bike I think they did it for us that excite car looks a smooth [TS]
01:49:52 ◼ ► and slick just to have the strength in that comes down and you don't have any of these silly. [TS]
01:49:56 ◼ ► Key openings or handles or whatever. I assume it was still mechanical and you'd pull the little thing in. [TS]
01:50:01 ◼ ► You know the driver's foot well over never. But what I thought was well that's stupid. It's like John. [TS]
01:50:15 ◼ ► We want little tiny electric motors and circuits that will fail because probably electronics and cars are [TS]
01:50:21 ◼ ► and possibility. Instead of having a lot but on your car. There's a place like you said. [TS]
01:50:27 ◼ ► You wouldn't see it it would be fine it would work but this I you know I know all motors and of the motors fell. [TS]
01:50:41 ◼ ► I kind of had to get it if I wanted to bunch of other cool stuff. Since the beginning of having this I have said. [TS]
01:50:47 ◼ ► This is stupid and I would prefer the car not have this if given the option to just delete that. [TS]
01:50:51 ◼ ► Because everything about an electric trunk is worse than a manual truck. There is literally nothing. [TS]
01:51:01 ◼ ► Readers wave your foot under the bumper in the trunk opens. Yet you know how often that works. [TS]
01:51:14 ◼ ► That's the kind of thing you try like twice maybe any other I'm never doing this again. [TS]
01:51:21 ◼ ► They work frequently enough that you can tell it's not broken. But infrequently. You never want to do it. [TS]
01:51:32 ◼ ► Whatever whatever mechanism raises and lowers this is kind of permanently engaged. [TS]
01:51:41 ◼ ► There's so much resistance you actually kind of can't do it or you have to push really hard and go to really slowly. [TS]
01:51:48 ◼ ► Like it isn't. It isn't like it like a bike gear were just disengage when it's not applying pressure like. [TS]
01:51:53 ◼ ► It is just always engage your like pushing down really hard trying to many close if you ever need to that's no good. [TS]
01:52:03 ◼ ► The reason I can't open it was something failed in and. There is no manual way open it. [TS]
01:52:13 ◼ ► Like if you haven't a regular trunk lid a regular mechanical trunk lid. You can close it and open it. [TS]
01:52:24 ◼ ► That's the one advantage of is that you can slam your hand on the lecture on his associate go so damn slow [TS]
01:52:28 ◼ ► and presumably has the back off thing that if your hand was stuck in it would be like whoa I'm getting too much [TS]
01:52:32 ◼ ► resistance that's true it does but. I mean I've I've been driving a long time I've never had that happen. [TS]
01:52:41 ◼ ► It's for like little kids again our hands because the only place I like trick. Thing makes any kind of sense. [TS]
01:52:47 ◼ ► Is for many vans where very often the lift the let's get in the back. Is so high that short people can't even reach. [TS]
01:52:55 ◼ ► And if you can reach it it's sometimes difficult to get enough a waiter leverage if you are a smaller lightweight [TS]
01:53:03 ◼ ► That's And the same thing I'm any man's with the sliding doors with kids getting in [TS]
01:53:10 ◼ ► So those are electric as well because you know it may be hard for a kid to pull that big heavy door closed. [TS]
01:53:16 ◼ ► And it's a very easy for people to get their hands got because kids are stupid and fight around doors [TS]
01:53:25 ◼ ► and the final reason to make sense for many bands is a lot more minivans are sold than B.M.W. M five. [TS]
01:53:34 ◼ ► And any type of thing like this any kind of car related technology. We're talking about this with the. Tesla Model X. [TS]
01:53:42 ◼ ► Going door. Things or whatever you do not want to be this feature to only be on a low volume car. [TS]
01:53:48 ◼ ► You want them to be the nine hundred that are racing of this feature that sells thousands [TS]
01:53:53 ◼ ► and thousands of copies every single year so they can get the kinks worked out of it. [TS]
01:53:58 ◼ ► Regular trunk lives and that they put on like a Honda Accord or you know. Toyota Camry or trying to Corolla. [TS]
01:54:05 ◼ ► You can be damn sure that if there's anything wrong with that trunk closing. Magnetism the next or vision of the Camry. [TS]
01:54:13 ◼ ► They're pretty much have the stupid Well the do snack manual trunk lid things and latch. Down to the point. How many. [TS]
01:54:23 ◼ ► Have five trunk lid is probably a beautiful Be Spoke mechanism made only for this year's men five. [TS]
01:54:29 ◼ ► And the total number of electric closing B.M.W. Trunk lid sold in the history of B.M.W. [TS]
01:54:37 ◼ ► On the chat point something out to me or to us which got me thinking and so a little bit of real time follow up there. [TS]
01:54:52 ◼ ► In fact I think I cracked the soap lippy efforts in open before we went to Germany which is because I'm not much for a [TS]
01:54:56 ◼ ► nerd but anyway I did. The manual operation in the event of an electrical fault. Manually operate the unlocked. [TS]
01:55:02 ◼ ► Trunk lid. Slowly and smoothly. To close it completely push the trunk lid down lightly. It is closed automatically. [TS]
01:55:09 ◼ ► What. What does that even mean that going to make a sound like if it's stuck open. You can close it carefully. [TS]
01:55:16 ◼ ► Very weird. Anyway. But to continue on the thing a precise product which I had forgotten about. [TS]
01:55:22 ◼ ► In my glove box but apparently in your center armrest. There is actually a segregated. [TS]
01:55:33 ◼ ► So you might want to run to your car feel free to do that now if you'd like whoa hold on run to the current just double [TS]
01:55:47 ◼ ► Let me just send your screen shot of the relevant portion because I want to make sure you see what I'm talking about [TS]
01:55:51 ◼ ► now not to be able to put this in the chat room because I don't use like droplet or anything like that [TS]
01:55:55 ◼ ► but I'll put it in our little robot here is that a little go pro on its head so we see the Marco Cam [TS]
01:55:59 ◼ ► and I think that's right. I think I've seen it. All right let me try it out on America. [TS]
01:56:18 ◼ ► I guess is baby easier than you can control the phone with high court even first terrible estate. [TS]
01:56:25 ◼ ► So I could find all there is an option to make it so you only have to press their remote wants to lock all four doors [TS]
01:56:30 ◼ ► instead of having to do it twice or to write writer on lock off orders that about going to do twice. [TS]
01:56:39 ◼ ► And you see the whole area things they tell you about engine break and stuff like seriously. [TS]
01:56:45 ◼ ► I've owned if memory serves they're like don't do NOT engine brake that's what the brakes are for. [TS]
01:56:56 ◼ ► They do it because I was like the telling you to do because they want you to go through your brake pads faster like no. [TS]
01:57:01 ◼ ► and I think the thing is if you're going to find if you can put pressure on anything want to put pressure on the thing [TS]
01:57:06 ◼ ► that's easy to replace right. But with that said I still engine brake constantly. Well it's a calculus. [TS]
01:57:11 ◼ ► You put pressure on the engine if you're leasing Like I said the pressure on the engine maybe it's for for any more [TS]
01:57:19 ◼ ► finicky cars but I have never I keep my cars for ten years plus. And you break all the time although the manual. [TS]
01:57:30 ◼ ► and less engine braking causes my radiators to rust out my with my one of them to die. [TS]
01:57:37 ◼ ► But I feel like what's going to happen your head guess it's going to blow like one of the afraid is going to mess with [TS]
01:57:41 ◼ ► the valve train on with the I well my valve train is now brand new I'm with you. Oh by the way. [TS]
01:57:50 ◼ ► when they did my valve train they said that I should get the sheet out it doesn't matter but suffice to say that [TS]
01:57:55 ◼ ► when they were pulling the injectors which apparently was part of this process. They had to apply too much torque. [TS]
01:58:06 ◼ ► Anguish for them that they broke something called are saying they're trying to pull them out hard doing goes home [TS]
01:58:14 ◼ ► Whenever you very well could be right but according to the service advisor who I do actually trust. [TS]
01:58:19 ◼ ► They apparently pitched all six injectors and gave me new ones which I thought was interesting. [TS]
01:58:33 ◼ ► and then we will know no one will ever hear this a lot of listeners. This is this is a pact between all of us that you. [TS]
01:58:39 ◼ ► You can remind Marco and time you want but he doesn't know how to work is on target didn't read the manual. Yup. [TS]
01:58:45 ◼ ► Who reads the manual. Both So I would just this is not what you were gone I always do. [TS]
01:58:50 ◼ ► Like Ms otherwise I was saying to take it easy otherwise you don't find these old days of secure features in your car [TS]
01:59:00 ◼ ► or whatever activates this thing better than you can control because you can read stuff [TS]
01:59:04 ◼ ► but if you don't read the manual you just won't know how your car works you won't know where all the little things are. [TS]
01:59:13 ◼ ► You know there's like change in there the tune of Alto oid There's i Phone battery. [TS]
01:59:19 ◼ ► and you basically actually bump it with your tin of Alto it's a real number that is most likely to happen. [TS]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Accidental bumping of the switch which is right in there. We think of you an embarrassing trip to the dealer. Yeah. [TS]
01:59:32 ◼ ► Well it was a combination of us Rousseff actually because I'd forgotten about that [TS]
01:59:41 ◼ ► The last time we were looking in the manual for Marcos to try to find his battery another you have no idea where the [TS]