The Accidental Tech Podcast

135: Uncomfortable in My Pants


00:00:00   Yeah I'm looking at the top for an astronomy [TS]

00:00:02   and think it's Margot is the worst pod cast host of a show with top four ever. [TS]

00:00:06   Oh my God I thought the same thing [TS]

00:00:08   and I'm too nice a guy to say I don't understand how to tip has the patience of a saint I didn't just pick for things [TS]

00:00:14   like make him write it down in a piece of paper everything is number five. [TS]

00:00:18   What everything can't be number five and then within the fourth like this is my number one. [TS]

00:00:23   And then all these are tied for number two. That's not the top four works. [TS]

00:00:28   Show I was there and I like the back of the end of the episode you admitted it [TS]

00:00:31   and like explain like I realized that I'm I'm not able to even ball the simple formula in to like she's fine with it. [TS]

00:00:37   You know. She can live with you. Well she she tolerates me. [TS]

00:00:40   Yes she does that it's like she's not even frustrated by it like the show is called top four. Pick. [TS]

00:00:47   I'm still bitter they didn't bring up transport I can. [TS]

00:00:49   I'm so angry you for that that it's not anything it's not your top far as their top four I guess [TS]

00:00:54   but I know it's his top for example it's not as Probably that was probably number fifteen with every other game in [TS]

00:00:59   existence. But I couldn't agree with you more John Mark and you've got to get a grip on the top four. [TS]

00:01:05   It's so easy to do. [TS]

00:01:06   You just need to fight not right number one two three and four in the right words next to each one of the. [TS]

00:01:12   So we've had to do tiptoes the test doesn't see how watch her do it if you need like she does such a good job she has a [TS]

00:01:20   list of all the ways you considered she's got her top four she has a reason but you're just like oh no T.V. [TS]

00:01:25   Shows like some of them. Well I like. I like this one a lot. [TS]

00:01:30   And then there's like these thirty four other ones that are somewhere down below. [TS]

00:01:34   Just going like talk you into like you know like change your mind halfway through the show [TS]

00:01:38   and she's like she's even called you on she's like you to stand up because I like that you know like no no no I've [TS]

00:01:42   changed my mind at this moment. The good thing she's on that show she's really caring you. I agree. So true. [TS]

00:01:52   John I love you I enjoyed what is an example I'm going to you know. All right let's start with. [TS]

00:01:59   We have learned that not only does this universe have many many many many many tap to click Wizards. [TS]

00:02:06   But as I believe John has phrased in the show notes. We have also found that there are quite a few C.E.C. [TS]

00:02:13   Unicorns and it's kind of an oxymoron because the whole thing of unicorn is like the one rare. [TS]

00:02:19   You know of course but there's a lot of them there are these not yours but anyway yeah. Lots of C.C. [TS]

00:02:23   Unicorns last show I expressed my general disdain for C.C. [TS]

00:02:27   and My frustration with it almost working like us that's the the good thing about it like it almost works it works some [TS]

00:02:33   of the time. You can kind of had to work you can I think you have everything set up and is working perfectly. [TS]

00:02:38   And then things will go wrong in a way that you can't the bug. [TS]

00:02:41   And you maybe you'll never get all the I'm bored again that's been my experience with C.C. [TS]

00:02:45   Across many different manufacturers and many years. So I asked to anyone use C.C. and Have good things to say about it. [TS]

00:02:51   And I did get a bunch of people tweeting that they have. [TS]

00:02:54   You know I have a mix component set up with components for different companies [TS]

00:02:57   and it works for me I have a complete Panasonic set up [TS]

00:03:00   and it works for me so probably maybe fewer than the top to click wizards [TS]

00:03:05   but a surprising number of people are using C.C. and Are happy with a lot of them. It mentally. [TS]

00:03:10   We have fairly simple needs like they like I turn the thing on and it's what should i am put turned the thing on. [TS]

00:03:16   I think as the number of devices you connect. [TS]

00:03:18   Increases and as you have a greater expectations like not only does it have to just auto switch and puts and. [TS]

00:03:25   You know turn on the television stuff but do a bunch of other things in terms of changing surround settings [TS]

00:03:29   or whatever other things you can do that maybe it goes more I I maybe it's gotten better since I bought my T.V. [TS]

00:03:35   and Receiver a couple years ago so who knows but anyway. If you want to be optimistic about C.C. [TS]

00:03:41   There are people out there who are using it successfully and happily and it's working for them. [TS]

00:03:45   And Robert and thout wrote in to explain why C.C. Might be so terrible. He is a six designer. [TS]

00:03:52   What does that stand for guys is that it has a whole I don't remember off hand at the shoe. Nicely done. Yeah. [TS]

00:04:00   I can't leave it on others acronym of top my head. Australian Securities and Investments Commission Yeah. [TS]

00:04:06   Kanchan specific integrated circuit Well you know how could I not pull that out I'm going to hold guys. [TS]

00:04:10   All right anyway so nice again Janeiro with H.D.M.I. Experience and. He says the C.C. [TS]

00:04:17   Protocol is crappy because only a limited set of commands are defined in the protocol [TS]

00:04:23   and the rest is entirely up to the manufacture of the device so there's a small set of commands that are defined. [TS]

00:04:28   And then device makers can make up anything they want. [TS]

00:04:31   And so I assume Panasonic will make up a bunch of stuff that works with his own stuff [TS]

00:04:35   and Sonny will make up stuff that works with his own stuff. And I top of that the spec for C.C. [TS]

00:04:40   Says even the defined commands you don't have to implement them they're not mandatory. [TS]

00:04:44   So even though they're a small number to find command you can extend them. [TS]

00:04:47   You don't even have to employ of the defined command you could for example implement your own volume up down [TS]

00:04:52   or input switching that works with your receiver not implement the the standard want it to my two point zero apparently [TS]

00:04:58   fixes this but I see my two point zero isn't how to. Yet on a lot of hardware. So C. C. Could get better and H.D. [TS]

00:05:05   My two point zero because I have learned from the past that if you let the manufacturers do whatever they want with [TS]

00:05:09   your protocol they'll do. Things that are not conducive to mixing components. [TS]

00:05:14   And maybe not even conducive to make thing with their own components from from distantly separated by time. [TS]

00:05:19   And not having the defined command be mandatory like I don't know what kind of standard is that if you don't have to [TS]

00:05:25   involve the blind man you make up your own commanded space with the Wild West. [TS]

00:05:29   So that is the explanation for why people who had bad experiences with the bad experiences. [TS]

00:05:36   All right moving on we had yet another. Excellent post from dear friend of the show underscore David Smith. [TS]

00:05:44   My favorite. [TS]

00:05:45   David Smith blog posts are when he goes Spong King into data that he has gathered or can discover [TS]

00:05:50   and figure out little tidbits. Or perhaps confirm little tidbits that. [TS]

00:05:56   That know that people theorize or maybe don't even realize is true. [TS]

00:06:00   And so the blog posts that is in question which relates to what we had lamented last episode is intitled sixteen [TS]

00:06:08   gigabytes is a bad user experience. And in this post. [TS]

00:06:12   Underscore goes through his homegrown analytics that he has in his very popular Apple audiobooks. [TS]

00:06:20   That's not a super duper duper nerdy app and so it's got a really good kind of installed base of regular people [TS]

00:06:30   and he has these graphs of reported free space for sixteen gig Phones and. If you look at these graphs. [TS]

00:06:39   It's abundantly obvious that almost all these phones have almost no available free space. [TS]

00:06:44   And that just doesn't seem do it so I was it John that pulled out a couple of these choice quotes would you like to go [TS]

00:06:50   over them. [TS]

00:06:50   Yeah so the first thing is like if you know this is these are just the customers of one application [TS]

00:06:55   but it's not a super nerdy application but anyway. This is the premise of discussion as. [TS]

00:07:00   This is just among people who bought this one app from this one developer hoping it's representative of this is the [TS]

00:07:05   best data we have. It seems like it could be representative of anything it might skew more nerdy. I don't know. Anyway. [TS]

00:07:11   This is among six and six plus customers only forty three percent of i Phone six [TS]

00:07:17   and six plus customers have sixteen gig models. [TS]

00:07:20   That's what I was getting out and all I show [TS]

00:07:21   and I say it used to be that the most popular model of whatever Apple product was always the most expensive fanciest [TS]

00:07:27   one and that started to change. I don't know this point a decade ago. But anyway. It changed and now. [TS]

00:07:32   Since Apple the mass market company and sells tons of other things I. [TS]

00:07:36   If he's going to skew more towards how you expect. [TS]

00:07:37   But even I was surprised to see that forty three percent of i Phone six X. Plus customers. [TS]

00:07:42   Got a sixteen gig model because that's the newest fanciest i Phone It's not like we're saying that the people buying [TS]

00:07:48   last year's of the year before phone or cheaping out. These are the people who want the new i Phone. [TS]

00:07:52   And just wanted like I said the last show. Want to find the cheapest possible way they can get the sixteen gig model. [TS]

00:07:58   Now among the people with a sixteen gig i Phone six [TS]

00:08:00   and six plus is thirty seven percent of them have less than a gig of space available [TS]

00:08:04   and less than a gig of space available just basically full like less than a gig is almost anything can happen. [TS]

00:08:10   And it could push you over the edge you are. [TS]

00:08:12   You know that's a point where I stand would start popping up dialogs in your face and saying. [TS]

00:08:16   You're just looks like it's almost all you. [TS]

00:08:18   You know do something about that and the other theories like OK well fine [TS]

00:08:24   but I bet everybody feels of their phones well among people who have sixty four gig phones only one percent of them [TS]

00:08:30   have filled them to that amount. [TS]

00:08:31   So it's not as if space it doesn't matter cycling is on high we're all you just make the phone bigger all people are [TS]

00:08:37   just going to fill it. [TS]

00:08:38   There is a certain amount of stuff that people have or expected to encounter during the useful life time of the phone. [TS]

00:08:43   And according to the stats. If you have a sixty four gig phone. [TS]

00:08:45   Only one percent of the people have basically filled it. And among sixteen gig phones. [TS]

00:08:49   Almost forty percent have felt it. [TS]

00:08:51   And then finally taking these customers the ones who have a six and six plus who have filled it up. [TS]

00:08:59   You know if you could multiplying the percentages the other half filled it up. [TS]

00:09:02   There's a seventy percent of the customers of this audiobooks application. [TS]

00:09:06   Are basically walking around all day as a newsgroup as if with the like a built around systemically [TS]

00:09:10   and sword dangling over their head that I got that right. You know the big sort of swings back and forth. [TS]

00:09:15   A ground ball. Is it the McLean I don't know. I'm going out on a limb here. Sort of Damocles. Anyway. [TS]

00:09:21   I don't even know that well. Yeah you can look it up Marco. At some culture. Yeah. So. [TS]

00:09:28   Seventeen percent of the customers now is just representative of all i Phone users in the entire world we don't know [TS]

00:09:33   this again it's one developers customers for one kind of general interest app. Only the i Phone six Plus. [TS]

00:09:39   But these numbers do not look promising like I I again I would think that underscores customers risk even more nerdy [TS]

00:09:46   because he moves in nerdy circles he is nerdy some of the out two thousand already but other ones are like [TS]

00:09:51   but I'm a plus plus and. The weather app and thought and the audiobooks opera just general. [TS]

00:09:56   You know general interest applications. Yeah but we've said this for Apple has the real numbers. [TS]

00:10:01   We don't have the real number so that impairs our ability to definitively shame them for selling sixteen gave my [TS]

00:10:08   but the little data that we have you know we're not Apple not sharing this information the day that we can glean Here's [TS]

00:10:14   some more support for the theory that a sixteen gig phone is not a good experience for users. Yeah it's. [TS]

00:10:20   It seems completely obvious to me that this was a terrible terrible terrible decision and just like you said John. [TS]

00:10:25   You know we don't have all the data that Apple has. But. Gosh. I would love to see what metric. [TS]

00:10:32   They're using to justify this. [TS]

00:10:34   And if it's not something related to profit or margins [TS]

00:10:38   or something along those lines one of those businesses terms that are not very good with. Then the money money. [TS]

00:10:44   I don't want to know what. What this metric is if it isn't just money. [TS]

00:10:50   Because it seems so obvious to me that this is just terrible terrible terrible decision. I mean it's look. [TS]

00:10:57   I'm totally agree with you it's you can look at all the different possible explanations of why they might reasonably [TS]

00:11:03   have done this [TS]

00:11:04   but none of them are particularly strong especially for a very high profit product like the i Phone even at the sixteen [TS]

00:11:11   gig passably. [TS]

00:11:13   So the reality is Apple very well could ship that device with thirty two or even sixty four at that price point [TS]

00:11:20   and barely affect the margins of that product at all [TS]

00:11:24   but I think the reason they do it as I said before is not because they can't afford to put sixteen gigs in a six [TS]

00:11:31   hundred fifty dollar. Phone. Where is that what it is. It's not because of that. [TS]

00:11:36   It's because if they did that it would hurt sales of the one of the hundred dollars more. [TS]

00:11:40   And so it would drive their average sale price down. In all likelihood So that is why it's not done. [TS]

00:11:46   It's simple as that. [TS]

00:11:47   If there is no any other explanation is really just grasping at straws trying to make an excuse that is the real reason. [TS]

00:11:55   I completely agree. I could go on forever about this but I feel like we've kind of beaten this hordes beaten. [TS]

00:12:00   This horse I should say moving. Let's talk about the i Phone six S. Battery. [TS]

00:12:05   We had I guess we had talked about it hit it getting a little bit smaller last episode is that right. [TS]

00:12:10   One way or another it got smaller and. The numbers say that the i Phone six. [TS]

00:12:15   Had one thousand eight hundred ten million power battery the i Phone six S. [TS]

00:12:20   Has one thousand seven hundred fifteen so most exactly one hundred million power difference. [TS]

00:12:24   And that is about a five percent loss. In terms of the new i Phones. Six S. Battery. [TS]

00:12:32   Or I guess that's just the success I'm sorry not the success plus which is a little bit of a loss [TS]

00:12:37   but presumably the the different. Chips on the device and they did a shrink didn't say on this one. [TS]

00:12:44   Yeah they did member in the keynote they wanted to say that it is shrink [TS]

00:12:47   but they didn't like regular person speak instead of going to. [TS]

00:12:51   And so confused and confused all the nerds like with a thing they did it as they trying to say Shrink. Yeah. [TS]

00:12:56   I'm pretty sure that it is trying to make what the other thing to do very often is reduce the number of chips. [TS]

00:13:01   Get chips the combined functionality previously took two separate chips. [TS]

00:13:05   I'm assuming that they can absorb a cyber Zen loss with combined with the shrink in the efficiencies of. [TS]

00:13:09   Just a second crack at the same size form factor so it probably should be fine [TS]

00:13:14   but again I don't want to put some hard numbers on like the last show I looked like that vibration tapped again [TS]

00:13:18   when things become a lot of room well. Quantified and. [TS]

00:13:21   Quantifying it looks like it's about five percent and by the way. These numbers are pulled from. [TS]

00:13:26   Apple's videos where they like Pan over the Arabs and show the battery. And on the battery is stamped the power rating. [TS]

00:13:34   And of course the i Phone six everybody knows from you know tear down and stuff so. [TS]

00:13:37   Although it does also leak before hand. This information leaked. [TS]

00:13:41   Weeks before actually that and I believe the leak was right on. [TS]

00:13:46   Yeah for years they are [TS]

00:13:47   but you know I just give people the source because of the ever turns out that the video was wrong because someone [TS]

00:13:53   Photoshop that number on their English were wrong in the real battery is different than. You know. Anyway. [TS]

00:13:58   I mean one thing to consider all sorts of all this. [TS]

00:14:02   The five percent loss of rock a passage and saying it's the same battery life. [TS]

00:14:07   That could also even if you ignore any kind of component changes they made I was nine more battery efficient. [TS]

00:14:13   And so they could. They couldn't say. Oh it gets access our lives. [TS]

00:14:17   Just because it's a new US they do the same thing on the max of the laptops. [TS]

00:14:21   They also I don't know if they're if they're including in their battery runtime estimates. [TS]

00:14:26   If they are including the low power mode being turned on at ten percent or whatever it is twenty [TS]

00:14:31   or ten the turns on the VAT is not automatically turn on it prompts you to turn it on and so. [TS]

00:14:36   But I'm I'm guessing if you want to fight a number a little bit really optimize your number. [TS]

00:14:41   They would probably do that and they could argue that's fair because most people would do that anyway so it could be. [TS]

00:14:46   It could be including those things where it wasn't before. So keep that in mind when you read the official estimates. [TS]

00:14:54   We'll see what happens in practice I am still very skeptical. I guess went to XO xo. And I took the six plus with me. [TS]

00:15:04   And I've been using the six. All year except for one to kill another trip around of the series of trips. [TS]

00:15:09   But I went back to the six plus for this trip for battery life primarily and. Wow It is glorious. [TS]

00:15:14   And I'm going back to the six. After a week of us expose again. [TS]

00:15:18   Oh my God it's so so bad I wish they would meaningfully improve the battery life. [TS]

00:15:25   But it's very clear that they think this is good enough. And I don't and so we just disagree on that. [TS]

00:15:32   I will so I will say one thing though that. You know in on this battery topic. [TS]

00:15:37   We've talked in the past about how the reason the phone might be this. [TS]

00:15:42   Skinny and light and have a mediocre rhetoric life is John I believe what you. [TS]

00:15:46   Term the naked robotic core theory which is that you know the ideal phone is really tiny thing that you can that is so [TS]

00:15:53   small that you can put it in a case. If you want some other ability whether it's more durability more battery life. [TS]

00:15:59   Whatever whatever cases can offer. You can put it in a case to fix a chore comings of being small. [TS]

00:16:06   And then if you want a really small phone you can just carry the naked Phone and. [TS]

00:16:11   So I looked after this trip over the last few days have been I've been trying to research i Phone battery cases. [TS]

00:16:17   And I had one in the past and it was so big and clunky I never really used it. [TS]

00:16:22   And that medicine fit my current phone now but I look to see what's out there today and they're just so. So terrible. [TS]

00:16:29   And I feel like one of the biggest arguments against the naked robotic core theory is just how bad. [TS]

00:16:35   All the other cases are like. If you want to give this phone. Fifty percent more battery life. [TS]

00:16:41   You have to add so much bulk. And so much size. Way more than if they would have is built in to begin with. [TS]

00:16:48   Plus it's this big like you know plastic thing with some stupid logo on the back to you that's so ugly [TS]

00:16:53   and tacky that no one's heard of from some some case company who cares right to care in the stupid logo. [TS]

00:16:58   And then you have this. And then you have like this giant plug in the bottom. [TS]

00:17:03   The phone has to be extended by like a half inch. Just to have room for this plug and it's it's the. [TS]

00:17:09   It's the bulkiest most terrible decision ever [TS]

00:17:11   and so this is I think like a huge strike against the naked robotic core theory is that by by. [TS]

00:17:19   By doing that by by going that direction. And but by. [TS]

00:17:23   Let's say you want more battery OK by battery case that argument falls apart [TS]

00:17:28   when all the battery cases are varying degrees of terrible. So I generally agree with you. [TS]

00:17:34   I DO YOU HAVE A landmark battery case which I'll put the link in the show notes for what I have. [TS]

00:17:41   And I use it only [TS]

00:17:42   when I know that I'm going to need some extra juice which is almost never the only time I took a CLI use it is that [TS]

00:17:49   like W T C. [TS]

00:17:51   And when I go to football games when my phone is just desperately melting it's on battery trying to search for service. [TS]

00:18:00   And it is exactly as you describe it is enormous. It is bulky. [TS]

00:18:05   It is it was not cheap I don't remember how much it was it was cheaper than the movie was at the time and I. [TS]

00:18:12   I've chosen for more than just frugality I feel while so I chose maybe the batteries a little bit bigger. [TS]

00:18:18   It adds a crap load a bulk to phone that I still think is a little bit big for my taste. [TS]

00:18:25   But that being said just today I got an email from movie where they have announced a new juice pack which is their line [TS]

00:18:32   of batteries called the Juice Pack reserve and will put that link in the show no it's not just put in the chat room. [TS]

00:18:37   This one is a very very very slim line battery that does not looked ad very much baulked at all. [TS]

00:18:44   In fact in the email which I don't have in front of me. They had him. They had. Here it is now in the same page. [TS]

00:18:51   They show that without the juice packets. Six point eight six millimeters. [TS]

00:18:56   And with this Juice Pack reserve it is fourteen point seven nine millimeters. [TS]

00:19:02   Whereas with the averages they say it are typical as they say a protective case. It would be fifteen millimeters. [TS]

00:19:08   So in other words. It is no thicker than a normal case you would put on your phone by whatever they define normal. [TS]

00:19:14   This actually looks extremely appealing to me [TS]

00:19:16   and I would absolutely buy one if it wasn't for the fact that I already have a case. [TS]

00:19:20   So this might be the exception proves the rule. Generally speaking though I think you hit the nail on the head. [TS]

00:19:24   They are all terrible in huge and bulky and annoying. It is terrible and huge to people like us though. Like you. [TS]

00:19:30   I mean I think forget battery gays just think. Cases. [TS]

00:19:33   We all see people with cases on their phones that we consider hideous and huge [TS]

00:19:37   and ridiculous I've seen people with non battery cases that are bigger than any battery case that I've seen that are [TS]

00:19:43   colored like the rainbow that. [TS]

00:19:45   That might as well have like fins and wedges poking out of them [TS]

00:19:48   and people love them so there's no accounting for taste right so that set that aside. The thing I would say is that. [TS]

00:19:53   As every time this comes up I say that there's a place in Apple's line for a phone that is thicker [TS]

00:19:58   and has more battery life. That is not the six plus. [TS]

00:20:01   They don't currently make that but if they keep diversifying maybe eventually they will [TS]

00:20:05   and that would satisfy Marco's need for Johnny I have to designed hopefully non tough long coated nice look. [TS]

00:20:12   PHONE OR DOES NOT to deal with someone else's things lapping onto or does not to deal with it extending the ports [TS]

00:20:17   and there was a different logo. [TS]

00:20:18   And all the things that he finds distasteful about it but I would say that people like him [TS]

00:20:23   and people like me are in the vast minority based on what I see on the world of how much people love their super ugly [TS]

00:20:29   like a wallet credit card. You know a car jack combined. Whatever like bottle opener i Phone cases like seriously. [TS]

00:20:39   I thought of all the problems that you know that's. I would think that people consider that a feature like yours. [TS]

00:20:44   That is the one thing of the naked robotic [TS]

00:20:46   or allows allows people to exercise their different tastes Let's say you know what your taste of the sticker. [TS]

00:20:54   Please don't encourage stickers. [TS]

00:20:55   Because the public melt of the thing because I get so warm as you noted when you used it without a case or. [TS]

00:21:00   It's Yeah I think I mean I've turned into a case first and with the six simply because. [TS]

00:21:06   And I guess use the Apple leather case because it's really slim and feels very good I always like the feel of leather. [TS]

00:21:12   New title. Even that I because the six is just such a bad phone to hold and and. [TS]

00:21:19   I've I've heard rumblings that the new phone is significantly grip here. [TS]

00:21:25   But I have my doubts that you know because the shape like it's the same shape. And the six. [TS]

00:21:31   Is a problem for two main reasons. One is the shape one is the is the slickness of the metal. [TS]

00:21:36   And so even if they've made the slickness of the metal better. [TS]

00:21:40   The shape is such that it's still probably going to be very hard to hold. [TS]

00:21:43   You tell me you didn't get the whole wanted X O X O. You don't have to say who will let you hold it. [TS]

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00:24:15   So before we get off this topic. One thing I want to bring up earlier was the idea of an Apple brand as battery case. [TS]

00:24:22   Apple has been making him. Seems like more and more accessories lately. But yet as you know third party everything. [TS]

00:24:29   But there's also first party. A lot of stuff that they brought the dock back recently. [TS]

00:24:33   The new one I think even has a headphone port on the back of it and you can get it in pink I mean excuse me rose gold. [TS]

00:24:40   It's so pink just own it. Just say it's pink. [TS]

00:24:43   I haven't seen them person yet I assume it's pink in the same weight of the gold one of the gold [TS]

00:24:47   and the answer is like barely but anyway. No no no no no it's. It's really think. [TS]

00:24:51   Yes so I haven't seen the phone but I did go to the Apple store Sunday. Oh I should do this quick. [TS]

00:24:57   For well I'll get to that in a second. [TS]

00:24:58   Anyway once the up store Sunday saw the watch the rose gold watch it was pink it was not rose gold it was pink. [TS]

00:25:04   It's very much think. I mean it's. It does look like it's roughly the same saturation. As the gold. But it is you know. [TS]

00:25:13   Unquestionably unashamedly pink. And I don't know why don't just call it pink. [TS]

00:25:18   If you would never look at this color and say that's rose gold. No it's pink and pink is great. [TS]

00:25:23   Why don't know why you why you wouldn't just own that. Yeah I think it looks good. I really honestly do. [TS]

00:25:28   So I agree with you anyway I'm sorry we totally hijacked your I thought here John. [TS]

00:25:31   Yeah I remember I was my thought I think Apple AAPL making better Has Apple makes a bunch stuff that they make leather [TS]

00:25:38   cases they don't make waves in one case him [TS]

00:25:40   or they make that make a leather case the have the silicone case they have those weird things with the holes in them on [TS]

00:25:45   the back of the old i Pod Touches. At the docks they have you know. [TS]

00:25:50   Why wouldn't they make a battery case of ensuring that they did like the idea of a wealth Apple made on market would [TS]

00:25:56   like it [TS]

00:25:56   but based on the accessories that they have made likely I don't think that's guaranteed I mean I'm maybe they would [TS]

00:26:02   have a higher chance of making a battery case that market would not find objectionable [TS]

00:26:06   but I mean just look at those docs where your entire phone is sitting on the lightning port. That great. [TS]

00:26:12   It's kind of wobbly and. You know it makes me a. Listen a lot of cases good. [TS]

00:26:18   Most of the cases are always like the bumper member of the bumper they made I thought Yes a really nice case because it [TS]

00:26:24   had like the shiny edges but that I had rubber on the parts that you grip than had metal buttons and them. Anyway. [TS]

00:26:31   If that ever happens maybe it will help. Marco with his battery was. I like the bumpers well. [TS]

00:26:37   But I will say that for the five S. and The six. [TS]

00:26:40   I have been rocking the Apple Apple whether case I have gotten it in black because that's the way it should be done [TS]

00:26:46   and beyond that it's probably the only one that doesn't eventually turn black and white because it's already black. [TS]

00:26:52   I quite like this. Apple other case. If. [TS]

00:26:55   If I was brave enough I would roll without a case at all but I'm not that brave [TS]

00:27:00   and although I have yet to break in the i Phone It is only a matter of time and now it's probably jinxed. [TS]

00:27:05   What I've purchased which will talk about the minute. [TS]

00:27:08   So I will hopefully stick with this apple weather case going forward. [TS]

00:27:12   Before we talk about our purchases from this past weekend. [TS]

00:27:15   I want to do very brief very quick follow up with regard to my crescent moon on my i Phone six. [TS]

00:27:22   Again if you haven't been keeping along. Keeping up. [TS]

00:27:25   And following along that is there was a crescent moon kind of thing. [TS]

00:27:30   In in the front facing camera believe they call it the Face Time camera on my i Phone six. [TS]

00:27:34   I realized that we were running out of warranty time for those of us who purchased on launch day like I did. [TS]

00:27:40   And so I took my i Phone into the local Apple store this past Sunday. [TS]

00:27:47   I mention the crescent moon the genius didn't even blink twice he said OK we will get you a new screen it'll take about [TS]

00:27:53   forty five minutes. He took my phone for me. [TS]

00:27:57   Interesting Lee He forced me to turn off like not a jerky way he should say he asked me to turn off. [TS]

00:28:03   Find my i Phone which I guess isn't a bad thing but it struck me as a little bit odd. [TS]

00:28:10   They're doing is replacing the screen. [TS]

00:28:12   Why does that really matter maybe in case they screw something up and then a need to replace the phone. [TS]

00:28:17   I don't know if we had people write in about the to one person was super angry about having to have the you know being [TS]

00:28:21   told to like enter his passwords and unlock everything in one encrypted and turn off the like whatever. [TS]

00:28:26   I I'm always nervous about what is actually going on it's like on the Grinch takes your Christmas tree back to repair [TS]

00:28:33   it right. If you don't. [TS]

00:28:35   And then a little while later you're going to emerge with another thing that you say is my phone [TS]

00:28:41   or any part of those songs related to my just getting a new refurbished phone do you really replace the screen does [TS]

00:28:46   this thing. Come apart and go back together in a way that is you know. [TS]

00:28:52   It meant to come apart and I feel as a possible to even do that is it one way [TS]

00:28:55   or somebody I'm always nervous about things like this is why I always just really hope by. [TS]

00:29:00   When the lottery and get something that doesn't have any problems is like my old laptop like once. [TS]

00:29:06   I opened up by all that talk to replace the hard drive and. It's never been the same again. I'm not good at doing that. [TS]

00:29:12   Priscilla they're better at the Apple store where they do it over and over and over again [TS]

00:29:15   but I'm always nervous about that in the smaller the thing gets the more. [TS]

00:29:19   Yeah I don't know they've got a better than I am but still. [TS]

00:29:22   As far as I can tell I did get the same phone back I mean I didn't need to restore from backup all the a lot of that's [TS]

00:29:28   but if they have you turn off all that stuff that's the whole thing you know. [TS]

00:29:31   You know done is put like a tiny microscopic. [TS]

00:29:34   You know etching of your initials in some part of the case that they say they're not replacing and see still there [TS]

00:29:38   when you get it back put a hair cross the headphone port and you'll know. [TS]

00:29:43   I mean it's hard to tell because the things lived in the case pretty much since day one but as it does look good. [TS]

00:29:49   I'm not going to lie mean it to I don't. I didn't inspect it for scoffs as apparently the genius had noted that it had. [TS]

00:29:56   I do you know that where there was a little scratch in the screen there isn't a scratch anymore [TS]

00:30:00   but that makes sense because they replaced the screen. But I had a couple of beta Absolutely. [TS]

00:30:05   Still work all the stuff that was once on my phone is still on my phone. [TS]

00:30:10   I mean maybe Apple can do like a bit for bit restore. [TS]

00:30:14   What's on the phone [TS]

00:30:15   but everything that I can see that indicates that all I got was a screen is is what happened it appears to me that all [TS]

00:30:22   I got was a screen oh that's very likely because that is that is the way most of them are fix most of them are not [TS]

00:30:27   swapped out. That's how my MS fixed or this year for the same reason before you. [TS]

00:30:32   Parent Lee cause like this global shortage of time on our show. [TS]

00:30:37   Yeah I did get it we are we did get some reports in that some. Some people went to the. [TS]

00:30:44   To the Genius Bar and there [TS]

00:30:45   and were specifically asked owed you listen to the accidental Tech podcast because we've gotten a lot of you in here [TS]

00:30:51   lately. Which I genuinely hand on heart made me extraordinarily proud I was very happy to hear that. [TS]

00:30:57   But yes I did get a place Green My understanding is some people did get replaced phones in fact one person wrote in [TS]

00:31:03   and said. [TS]

00:31:04   Well I went in right around closing time and they didn't want to deal with it so they just gave me a new phone. [TS]

00:31:09   Which I thought was pretty awesome the good strategy which is a pretty solid strategy I wish I'd thought of that it [TS]

00:31:13   didn't work for me like when I went in in the evening when I went to get mine fixed or this year [TS]

00:31:17   and they just told me come back tomorrow. Oh well. [TS]

00:31:20   They kept it overnight and has had come back tomorrow so that will and you know what when I go in there. [TS]

00:31:26   I try to avoid having service done on my current active on and. If I really do have to have a done. [TS]

00:31:33   I will just switch to an old phone and wipe it. [TS]

00:31:35   Because like I because I don't because you know the whole idea of like oh I'm like. [TS]

00:31:38   Because they told me to take off your pass code like. [TS]

00:31:41   Does it do easily tell you this Able all of your security on your device. And I say. No I'm not doing that. [TS]

00:31:48   That's that is not an option. [TS]

00:31:50   So I guess I just wipe my devices whenever I have to get them serviced and and it's inconvenient but that's. [TS]

00:31:56   It's terrible they make people do that and. [TS]

00:31:58   Whatever the reason is they should find a better way to do with it doesn't require that you know that they'll say oh [TS]

00:32:03   well a certain tools won't run well then. You're Apple make tools that run like that you know you can do that.. [TS]

00:32:09   There's no reason to to get people to disable all the security. While doing a hardware repair that is complete B.S. [TS]

00:32:17   Well I think there might be some legit reason is because the whole idea is that there's no secret backdoor key to get [TS]

00:32:24   it your data that I blast writing is I want to make something work here essentially asking them to put a backdoor so [TS]

00:32:30   some point there has to be someone know I'm saying for a hardware repair like. [TS]

00:32:33   If it's a screen replacement Why do they need access to the software on the phone for a screenplays. [TS]

00:32:38   They probably do want to do a full backup of your thing in case the guy slips of the screwdriver humbling and you know. [TS]

00:32:45   Cracked the chip on the thing and I had to give you a new phone and then you say but where is all my Dad I don't know. [TS]

00:32:50   I don't know if that's true though because he specifically the genius that I was speaking to specifically. [TS]

00:32:56   Went to went into the settings so my phone went to the i Cloud backup or. [TS]

00:33:02   Believe it was I cloud backup screen said well you know you haven't back this up so i Cloud Now while have you back [TS]

00:33:07   this up your computer. And I said yes. Last night and at that point he was completely satisfied. [TS]

00:33:14   But I think there would have been a little bit of a little bit of a kerfuffle if I'd said no I haven't packed this up [TS]

00:33:22   in ages why do you ask. He also didn't. If memory serves he did not expressly ask me to remove my pass code. [TS]

00:33:29   But he was a very well. [TS]

00:33:31   The funny thing about it was he wasn't clear about why he wanted my Apple ID password [TS]

00:33:36   and he handed me the phone to type it in your not that he needed it himself. [TS]

00:33:39   But as I was typing it in I looked at what he was doing and he was disabling Find My i Phone. [TS]

00:33:44   So basically he just wanted to make sure that I had a backup he wanted to make sure Find My i Phone was not on. [TS]

00:33:50   And then at that point he was satisfied. [TS]

00:33:53   And the way the tipster is frustrated when I listen to him he says it was impossible to. Ring out he says a repair. [TS]

00:34:03   There. [TS]

00:34:04   If you don't find my phone on and do the till he is [TS]

00:34:06   but I think about it all comes down to is that they want to be able to use your phone even if they're not making a [TS]

00:34:11   backup which makes sense because that Paul doesn't usually care about your data. They want to like. [TS]

00:34:16   When they're doing the screen repair assume that [TS]

00:34:18   when it's green repair is over they want to make sure everything works. They want to be able to tap. [TS]

00:34:22   Things on the screen and if your screen is locked and it's going to like a race itself. After ten. [TS]

00:34:28   You know like they have to be able to get your stuff somehow otherwise like you can't just do [TS]

00:34:33   and I'll hardware repair blind. [TS]

00:34:35   And just repair it and give it back to me and then when I turned on I'm sure that it will work [TS]

00:34:39   and I'm sure that you know I like like I said I don't. [TS]

00:34:42   I don't think it's possible for them to not ask you to undo some amount of security to do repair any kind of repair [TS]

00:34:50   even just a hardware repair just so they can verify that the hardware repair with accessible. [TS]

00:34:54   So it makes some sense maybe the geniuses aren't telling people because it's very difficult to explain why that might [TS]

00:35:00   need to do this whenever I've brought a Macin for repair. I've always just wipe the entire thing. [TS]

00:35:07   I put in a single account. Username Apple password Apple on entirely raced hard drive. [TS]

00:35:11   I take out all my third party ram like I've you know. Back in the day. If I brought something to the Apple store. [TS]

00:35:18   It's just so much easier to do that when you know to deal with anything like that sometimes I put in a new hard drive. [TS]

00:35:23   Like you know. Most of my mac was still at home. [TS]

00:35:26   Because of the part I was repairing with not that especially in the days [TS]

00:35:29   when they're cranky about third party ram like here you go over the box stock computer with no date on a single account [TS]

00:35:33   called Apple Apple. How about it and Marco's Marcus basically you have the stones. And it is annoying. [TS]

00:35:39   But it makes your repair experience smoother in exchange for you spending some time at home to do stuff just make sure [TS]

00:35:46   you do like a actual encrypted local backup that will save all your passwords [TS]

00:35:50   and you know to wait for your apps to restore over the course of several hours from the App Store. You know. [TS]

00:35:54   No I couldn't agree more and one other quick piece of real time follow up from me to me. [TS]

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00:39:14   I for one am in for two phones. Bought or a pre ordered. Erin a rose gold. Sixty four gig i Phone six S. [TS]

00:39:24   And I pre-ordered myself a space gray. Sixty four gig i Phone six S. I'm not part of the plus club. [TS]

00:39:31   Because I actually know what I'm talking about. [TS]

00:39:35   Marco did you actually did you eventually give in and join the plus club. You know. [TS]

00:39:40   One of the reasons I brought the six plus two XO xo. [TS]

00:39:43   Was that the pre-orders were going to open up about in the middle of my trip [TS]

00:39:47   and so I figured I'd give it that I was on the fence. [TS]

00:39:49   To give one more time to see like you know I really was undecided cause I really as I said I really have not been happy [TS]

00:39:55   with the six battery life and I really do appreciate the larger screen. During many of the things I do. [TS]

00:40:01   Of the six plus. So I was really on the fence. What However you know. [TS]

00:40:07   So I moved all my stuff over the night before I left. [TS]

00:40:10   Move move move all my stuff over and start using the phone and literally within twenty minutes. I was like. [TS]

00:40:17   Nope not a boy so Mike was wrong for me. Yeah I mean. So there's a number of. [TS]

00:40:26   You know this explode as I said there are a lot of benefits to it and if you can use it and hold it comfortably. [TS]

00:40:33   Then more power to you it is a great device for a lot of people. [TS]

00:40:36   What didn't do it for me is two things number one and it's not how big it feels in the hand. [TS]

00:40:43   I got used to that last time. It's fine. What it is for me is the size in the pocket. Which is a big deal and like. [TS]

00:40:52   If you. I'm not a phone on the table kind of person. I keep my phone in my pocket. If I'm sitting down somewhere. [TS]

00:40:58   So if I need to use my phone or check my phone or something. I'm taking it in and out of my pocket. A lot right. [TS]

00:41:05   So any like a phone that large. [TS]

00:41:08   It's like taking a dinner tray out of your pocket like it is so I thought so it's very clumsy. [TS]

00:41:14   To to enter moves and secondly. What's another thing that's weird about the six plus. [TS]

00:41:21   Is that a lot of apps that don't normally rotate on the six. Do rotate on the six plus. And when they do rotate. [TS]

00:41:29   They go into this like weird. Like miniature I've had now I've had many I guess. [TS]

00:41:34   This this nano I've had mode where they will use a split view the way i Pads doing this is part of the whole universal [TS]

00:41:40   thing now you know I know Howard Smith take a side it considers it like a mini i Pad and so you'll have a disk this. [TS]

00:41:46   Cramped. Weird tiny. I Pad like split interface and a lot of apps. When you were take them and I did. [TS]

00:41:53   I found that rotates more easily. [TS]

00:41:54   I don't know maybe just happy to do it maybe I just wasn't used to it [TS]

00:41:57   but whatever I use the six plus it's constantly rotating. When I didn't want to and. [TS]

00:42:03   I tried rotation lock but like you know then. [TS]

00:42:05   Then you go to look at a photo or watch a video to turn of side and you got to undo it it's a pain. [TS]

00:42:09   And I found that even. Even you know I'm used to the. I Phone six and. [TS]

00:42:15   I don't have these problems on the section I haven't has problems in any previous i Phone. [TS]

00:42:19   Including ones I wasn't used to look like when I first got the six. And it was. [TS]

00:42:23   I'm going up a size so I'm not used to holding it. [TS]

00:42:25   I didn't have these problems with that so I know it isn't just I'm not used to the six plus. [TS]

00:42:29   It's just that the six plus like springboard rotates lots of inverted and they do in a weird way [TS]

00:42:33   and so I I just found I found it cumbersome. In those two big ways and. [TS]

00:42:39   So those are important enough especially the pocket size. Those are important enough that I couldn't do it now. [TS]

00:42:47   In the future you know Apple likes to make things. Dinner and smaller. [TS]

00:42:51   So if they can like shave off more of the margins I don't know I mean. It is heavy but it doesn't matter if they can. [TS]

00:42:58   If they somehow like if we ever get like the borderless. [TS]

00:43:01   I Phone the like that loses the chin on the top and bottom you know somehow. God knows how. [TS]

00:43:05   But if they somehow do that then I would consider it again. But as of now. [TS]

00:43:10   It's just too big for me you know way for a flexible one. [TS]

00:43:14   That's a very annoyed me most about even a sex I finally got to unfold your phone just curves like the six I find [TS]

00:43:21   uncomfortable in my pants pockets because it is so like should stay is flat it doesn't conform to the ship my lighter [TS]

00:43:29   anything it kind of stretches the pants out a little bit. So flexible and probably in our lifetime. [TS]

00:43:35   Hopefully will say dad John did your family buy anything. No didn't buy anything. [TS]

00:43:40   I don't even know where people are all talking about staying up late and I had in the beginning [TS]

00:43:44   when people first are tweeting about it now. I'm not like. And here's the reason not just because I'm not getting. [TS]

00:43:50   I mean I was probably going to get a success but we're not in a hurry. [TS]

00:43:53   She's actually I think you've got a couple more months before she can actually get it. [TS]

00:43:57   Let me go to the Apple store and look at it. [TS]

00:43:59   But the final reason and the same reason I always sort of hold off on these things with a few regs options. [TS]

00:44:04   Is you get the first one you get crescent moon it's like anything anywhere manufacturing the fact that we tap the tap [TS]

00:44:11   again on your watch your whatever like you don't want the first cars off the assembly line right you want to run I'll [TS]

00:44:15   find all those problems I have a six but I didn't buy a launched I bought it. [TS]

00:44:20   Not too far after launch but after everyone had gotten the first round of phones maybe the second round of phones [TS]

00:44:25   and so. [TS]

00:44:26   Mine was manufactured on a line where hopefully they had worked out more of the kinks and lo [TS]

00:44:29   and behold they have no crescent moon. [TS]

00:44:31   And so far no other problems with my phone so that is my strategy [TS]

00:44:35   but I'm not even getting a sex my wife is going to get a six plus but not imminently. Well six after six plus sorry. [TS]

00:44:41   Success Yeah. Other stupid names they're killing me. I just want to make sure we all agree that Mike was wrong. [TS]

00:44:46   I'm not participating in this. [TS]

00:44:50   That's because you're a better man than I thought Are You a Secret Six plus user is that why you Springer football [TS]

00:44:54   and conferences. Plus you know their goodness. What the I should note is that. [TS]

00:45:02   I've been kicking around the idea of getting the new i Pad Mini What is that whole i Pad mini for is that right. [TS]

00:45:08   Yeah the weird IO by the way. Quick follow up I was wrong about the C.P.U. [TS]

00:45:12   In that I had said last episode that there is now no difference between the i Pad Air two [TS]

00:45:18   and the many for except for screen size. That is wrong. The the mini four has an UK has an up close to eight. [TS]

00:45:26   Processor. So it is slightly faster than an i Phone six. In benchmarks.. [TS]

00:45:31   The end and that's a dual core processor the heir to. As the eight X. Which is a triple core processor. [TS]

00:45:38   And so the at various benchmarks and stuff that we've seen so far. [TS]

00:45:43   The the I've had many for is faster than than the Mini three it is a nice chip [TS]

00:45:49   but it is very close to the performance of of an i Phone six and. [TS]

00:45:53   Not very close to the much higher performance of the air to. That's correct. And so I thought about. [TS]

00:46:00   We'll replacing my beloved red the Pad Mini with a new i Pad Mini four. And I haven't pulled the trigger yet. [TS]

00:46:10   And part of that is because I just spent seven hundred dollars whatever it was on to completely contract for the i [TS]

00:46:17   Phones. [TS]

00:46:19   And I did that because I just that's the way I wanted to do it I'm not saying it was the best approach I'm not saying [TS]

00:46:23   it's. It was the most frugal it's just what I wanted to do. Please don't email me. But. [TS]

00:46:29   So I dropped all this money and I and I probably shouldn't be spending any more [TS]

00:46:32   but the other reason I haven't done it is. I'm kind of bummed not surprised. Bombed that three D. Touch. [TS]

00:46:39   Hasn't made it to the i Pad yet. And I want to wait. [TS]

00:46:45   If I can now last time I saw this was about the watchman saw how well THAT worked out but I want to wait if I can [TS]

00:46:51   and see what treaty touch is all about and see if I really like it and see if it's see if it's like earth shattering [TS]

00:46:57   and just completely life changing and if it is then. [TS]

00:47:01   Maybe I'll just hold out for Hopefully next year when i Pad's get three D. Touch. [TS]

00:47:08   Although we'll see what ends up happening. [TS]

00:47:10   Knowing me I'll probably buy it for myself like a Christmas present or something like that. [TS]

00:47:15   But for now for the next at least a few weeks I am holding off. [TS]

00:47:19   Alright any other thoughts about Saturday morning purchases. All right. [TS]

00:47:24   Oh the other thing I actually want to ask you guys did you hear anything about really really bad inventory. [TS]

00:47:29   Issues like there were last year with the i Phone six because I did not. [TS]

00:47:33   It seemed like the inventory was considerably better for this year than last [TS]

00:47:38   and I don't know if that's because most people are not on the a cycle. I don't know if it's because they were fine. [TS]

00:47:43   You know last year we finally got the bigger phones that some of the people have been clamoring for. [TS]

00:47:48   But I did not hear any big grumbling about oh I really wanted the blog but it was sold out by the time I got through. [TS]

00:47:58   Did you guys hear anything. [TS]

00:47:59   Cell numbers are bigger this year than last year so it's not like you know what they're saying. [TS]

00:48:03   So far rumors whatever is that they're selling even more than they saw last year I think it's just that they had more [TS]

00:48:09   lead time to build up inventory and. Why they have more lead time because this is an S.C.R. [TS]

00:48:14   Not making entirely new phone an entirely new shape. And you know. So that's. [TS]

00:48:19   If they're going to have a year where they have more inventory it's going to be an S.C.R. [TS]

00:48:22   Imagine because they're they're kind of used to making phones like this and they know they're doing [TS]

00:48:27   and that the scheduling just worked out yeah example although some people are saying that if you went to a particular [TS]

00:48:32   carriers Web site a lot of those had really crappy dates for like when you're going to get your phone. [TS]

00:48:36   And that's just like however. Apple is distributing the inventory they do make and you know. [TS]

00:48:41   Presumably they're keeping us there from selves. [TS]

00:48:44   So yeah the but that was speaking of staying up late and ordering a phone. [TS]

00:48:48   I did see tweets from a bunch of people who like I didn't stay up late I just woke up on an all time in the morning [TS]

00:48:52   and I got on line or my phone and it was still in stock and it's going to come right away and you know. Was. [TS]

00:48:59   Yeah I mean the morning after that after the launch like the. You know later that morning. [TS]

00:49:04   Nine hours later or whatever I looked at all the all the configurations I was curious and. [TS]

00:49:08   The only one that was showing any delay [TS]

00:49:10   and it was only a small delay was the six plus in some of the colors including the new pink one. The regular sex. [TS]

00:49:17   Even the pink one was fine. And actually so I guess look right now. If you can if you could Apple's site right now. [TS]

00:49:23   Now. And configure the common boring Dick phone. Which is the sixty four gig black. Success. [TS]

00:49:30   That is still saying delivers nine hundred five which is the first day any of them are delivering So this is still [TS]

00:49:34   there is going to want Yeah if you can write. So I did have to wake up at three in the damn morning. [TS]

00:49:39   No I didn't see all those tweets about us part of the fun part of the fun of you know. [TS]

00:49:44   As as a tipster saying that at RIM don't treasure that next year. [TS]

00:49:47   I don't know you never know it all depends on how many good they make before they went on sale [TS]

00:49:51   and that's a factor of scheduling and. [TS]

00:49:54   You know the timing of the whatever event they're going to have and everything else they have to announce. [TS]

00:49:58   And you know any glitches in manufacturing and blah blah blah. Anyway. [TS]

00:50:04   So this is a good year for everyone to get their phones. I just hope you don't all have the whatever the new iteration. [TS]

00:50:09   Rather new incarnation of the crescent moon is broken home button. We could have to click. [TS]

00:50:14   Whatever you will say as a tactic engine that may or may not work etc etc. All right so speaking of new purchases.. [TS]

00:50:22   Marco did you purchase anything recently that was very very very cheap. For one dollar. Oh yeah the Apple T.V. Yeah.. [TS]

00:50:31   To McMahon pay attention. Yeah yeah the developer lottery Apple T.V. Yes. I registered for that. I won. I guess. [TS]

00:50:40   I don't think Malouda say thing about it. I agreed to something. I guess. Yeah. [TS]

00:50:45   I don't know I agreed to not write about and talk about like the actual device and what it's like. [TS]

00:50:53   But I don't remember if that agreement included that I mean a lot to mention whether I have one or not but I mean. [TS]

00:50:59   As of right now I don't have one. So there we go. Yeah. [TS]

00:51:03   I'm disappointed in my Twitter timeline which I read exhaustively that I didn't know that this lottery was even a thing [TS]

00:51:09   until people were finding out whether they had one and not that I would have undergone montevallo. [TS]

00:51:13   Apple two Yeah but I don't even know about THIS IS US is not a big deal. The lottery. [TS]

00:51:18   Yeah I heard about it and I had I heard about it when people were saying oh I got when I didn't get one [TS]

00:51:23   or like what are you talking about and I went to the website and look at it. It was a reference. Yeah I know anyway. [TS]

00:51:29   But I think I want to a timeline people were talking about it. [TS]

00:51:31   Oh bleakly without anyone actually ever saying it are linking to a story [TS]

00:51:35   or writing a blog post about her doing anything like that. [TS]

00:51:38   So anyway a bunch of people who Isn't that the some number thrown out there for how many they gave where they gave away. [TS]

00:51:45   a bunch of Apple T.V. S. [TS]

00:51:47   I saw some people speculating that these were originally going to be W W D C style look under your seat for yes for [TS]

00:51:54   every attendees and every every See been of course Apple T.V. Was launched doubled over the city. [TS]

00:51:58   That would have been cool. [TS]

00:52:00   I would have been excited to get one I'm buying one anyway so whatever doesn't make a difference to tips [TS]

00:52:05   or says it every time he sees thing is true. [TS]

00:52:08   I think I saw someone posting pictures of the packaging [TS]

00:52:11   and it was all fancy packaging with like inspirational words all of which fits with the rumor of these were meant to be [TS]

00:52:17   gifts for developers that every every see which kind of out of character for Apple to goes. [TS]

00:52:21   I can't since the apology mouse I haven't given away any significant hardware at any of their events that's totally a [TS]

00:52:28   global thing to do and lots of other conferences like I think when you want to build one. You know they gave her an X. [TS]

00:52:32   Box once in the give them Oh yeah. Surfaces and. [TS]

00:52:35   You know Android phones all horses of like that every most for hardware Apple. So I get with the program. [TS]

00:52:42   Maybe next year [TS]

00:52:43   but this is it's the kind of thing like giving a bunch of developers I mean the rumor that we heard is that there are [TS]

00:52:49   tens of thousands of these given out. Given a bunch of developers. Early access to hardware. [TS]

00:52:55   They're very excited to develop for that has a really apparently haven't looked at it yet [TS]

00:52:59   but everyone saying it's a very easy S.T.K. [TS]

00:53:01   Because it is it is really very close to Iowa last I mean it is I was basically you know. [TS]

00:53:05   And just like with certain frameworks not available in certain new frameworks but they're very close to. [TS]

00:53:12   Giving giving a whole bunch of developers who are excited about this early access making them feel special [TS]

00:53:16   and letting them make their apps on a real device that. [TS]

00:53:20   You know before it's available to the public that is really valuable to get the app story started [TS]

00:53:24   and you know maybe they learned from the watch you know with the watch the apps Tory but the watch early on. [TS]

00:53:31   And honestly still is pretty weak [TS]

00:53:33   and a lot of that was because of just limitations of watch us one in the material to watch it [TS]

00:53:37   but a lot of that was also because the developers. [TS]

00:53:40   For the most part didn't have early access you know if you did [TS]

00:53:42   but most didn't have really access to the hardware so this is this thing is pretty cool. I think it's a smart move. [TS]

00:53:51   It's a kind of move that you're right that we wouldn't have expected this from from the apple of even two [TS]

00:53:56   or three years ago. [TS]

00:53:58   But now it seems like Apple is making more of these like Apple would Apple never do that kind of very pragmatic moves. [TS]

00:54:05   And that's that's a good thing I think everybody wins here I don't think there's any downside. [TS]

00:54:09   They've already announced that you know no one's going to blow any secrets. [TS]

00:54:12   They've already shown it off like crazy so they don't have to worry about that. I think it's a great. [TS]

00:54:16   Well it's also the cheapest platform they sell like they're going to give you a device. You know like. [TS]

00:54:21   If you have to pick one to get even the watches Mark Spence of like this is one hundred fifty for the. [TS]

00:54:25   The small on yes no watch it on hundred fifty. And like the free phones don't count because of you know. [TS]

00:54:30   Plans and subsidies or whatever so yeah it's going to give something away. Start with this one I don't you know people.. [TS]

00:54:36   Here's the thing about like. I think people were excited to make Watch apps. And it seemed like for the T.V. [TS]

00:54:45   People were excited for other people to make T.V. Apps. Like I think to see you know. [TS]

00:54:49   I would like their for the absolute for the to you [TS]

00:54:50   but it wasn't there's not a straight line from people who develop it or watch. Mac or I left. Apps to say. [TS]

00:54:59   And you can do it on T.V. [TS]

00:55:01   It's like well it's not a touchscreen it's not a mouse it's not a keyboard if I don't have any [TS]

00:55:05   or content to show I'm not quite sure what I'll make. [TS]

00:55:07   But if you give them free hardware the like you know what let me try thinking softly. [TS]

00:55:11   Maybe if I can come up with something that we have some kind of idea so I think this is just the kind of platform where [TS]

00:55:16   the developers might need a little boost to get to get moving and get motivated about IF YOU GET A FREE. [TS]

00:55:23   If you get free hardware like maybe I do have a couple ideas let me try this let me try that maybe you know you might [TS]

00:55:27   surprise yourself whereas if you don't have the free hardware you're probably just convince yourself that none of your [TS]

00:55:33   existing applications or skills or ideas for apps are a pleasurable to such a big screen if you sit far away from [TS]

00:55:38   and can't touch. That's pretty wild. Speaking of Apple T.V. [TS]

00:55:42   We should note that last episode I had said and then I don't know maybe I'll get it maybe I won't.. [TS]

00:55:49   And I had said that my beloved plex. If that was available on the Apple T.V. [TS]

00:55:57   I would probably insta buy it and in the time between last episode this episode. [TS]

00:56:03   World gotten contact with the Plex I think C.E.O.. [TS]

00:56:07   and Has stated that yes they are developing a plex client for the Apple T.V. So that means I'll probably be buying one. [TS]

00:56:15   Why don't you tell us about clicks versus top Strawn skip that one has the last last week I looked at the like a [TS]

00:56:26   developer documentation that had the animation showing showing the new Apple T.V. [TS]

00:56:30   Remote and showing a dot on it showing this is the click in this is a tap and they both look the same to me [TS]

00:56:35   and I didn't understand how you could tell a difference or what was going on there so someone asked. Apples. [TS]

00:56:41   Apple to help us from N.D.A. I can even say can I only put like the red section right. [TS]

00:56:47   Pretty sure you can because I'm pretty sure I just hit it with yeah I'm not logged in. So you're good to go. [TS]

00:56:53   So I want to know the difference in a tab and click was in Apple's developer forms. [TS]

00:56:58   Here all they will put in the show that someone asked the very same question [TS]

00:57:01   and someone with a little apple logo underneath their name. [TS]

00:57:04   Said that A quick as one user physically clicks down the track pad causing a selective ant [TS]

00:57:11   and then I guess it happens just happening so what it sounds to me like is that. The touchpad at the end of the remote. [TS]

00:57:17   Moves in some way. Like physically moves and makes a click. [TS]

00:57:22   As opposed to just tapping on the top surface and I got none of us have this device yet. [TS]

00:57:26   I'm a marker get that he probably can't talk about it. [TS]

00:57:28   No to wall the wall find out of a fan of mine ships I'm ordering that day one basically I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

00:57:33   accept whatever the equivalent of the crescent moon is for the Apple T.V. [TS]

00:57:37   Hard by because it's cheap and whatever I don't care. [TS]

00:57:40   But it seems like it's actually a physical but [TS]

00:57:41   and I still don't quite understand a lot of work based on the pictures of the remote. [TS]

00:57:45   What part of it moves how does it move down how far does it move is their hands does it just bend. [TS]

00:57:49   I don't know all these questions will be answered when we get into our little hands [TS]

00:57:52   but it was interesting to see actual response from an Apple person about this. Excellent. [TS]

00:57:59   All right let's see what else we have to sort out we had talked about plaques... [TS]

00:58:04   Do you want to tell us about twenty four P. On the Apple T.V. [TS]

00:58:07   This is I think from the exact same apple person in the Apple form someone asked the question. [TS]

00:58:12   Said Will the new Apple T.V. Actually output twenty four P. Video and. So twenty four P. Is a lot of movies. [TS]

00:58:19   Old movies and new movies are shot twenty four frames per second twenty four P. Is a video mode where it stands. [TS]

00:58:26   Twenty four pages for aggressively scanned. [TS]

00:58:29   Frames of video just one frame nother grandmother frame another in twenty four of those every second. [TS]

00:58:34   That's how the movie was shot. What you want to happen is if you. If you were viewing a movie at home. [TS]

00:58:40   You want twenty four frames of video every second. To be displayed in television one frame. [TS]

00:58:46   The next frame the next frame at exactly twenty four. If you don't do that. It's not going to look quite right. [TS]

00:58:52   The most common situation is where your television or. [TS]

00:58:56   The device that outputting something for example your computer is going at sixty hertz. [TS]

00:59:00   So it's got sixty frames per second the computer you're looking at right now [TS]

00:59:03   and I think all i OS devices except for maybe the new the new i Pad Pro which has the variable refresh rate but anyway. [TS]

00:59:10   So it's there it's common for computers. Unfortunately twenty four is not going to sixty evenly. [TS]

00:59:14   So if you're going to display a video content that originally has twenty four different frames every second. [TS]

00:59:20   But you have to show. Sixty frames every second. You have to divide them up on evenly. [TS]

00:59:25   And when the camera pans quickly. [TS]

00:59:27   It can kind of look weird they call a job where you can kind of the kind of herky jerky because you have to figure out [TS]

00:59:32   how to. [TS]

00:59:32   You know you're going to show the first frame how many times are going to show the first frame [TS]

00:59:36   and every time you can show a second from you're not showing some frames longer than other frames. [TS]

00:59:39   And [TS]

00:59:40   when you have a smooth camera move you can kind of see it as a jerking as in the motion so what you want is twenty four [TS]

00:59:44   frames always here this is the whole video files are asking so in practice. [TS]

00:59:49   And my set up anyway the only way I can see video like that is a viable I have Blue Ray my Blu ray player [TS]

00:59:53   and my television all do twenty four frames. [TS]

00:59:56   So the blue I put out twenty four frames a television shows twenty four frames and I don't have an L.C.D. [TS]

01:00:00   I have a plasma at all straight through no image processing it looks correct it looks right.. [TS]

01:00:05   Don't have to worry about anything. Apple T.V. [TS]

01:00:09   According to this answer from that Apple Verisign is does not do that no the device output frame rate is fixed [TS]

01:00:15   and content is automatically converted during playback to match the selected device output frame rate. [TS]

01:00:19   Abstinent have the ability to affect the device output frame right. [TS]

01:00:23   And he says you have a scenario where you believe this would be required please file bug blah blah blah. [TS]

01:00:27   This is focused on application development saying I'm making a video app [TS]

01:00:31   and I want to show video can I control the frame [TS]

01:00:34   or whatever the answer is no still unclear to me whether if you buy a movie on i Tunes. [TS]

01:00:40   and the movie is twenty four frames a second. Does the Apple T.V. Is it also unable to send that natively over H.D.M.I. [TS]

01:00:48   To a device. [TS]

01:00:49   As able to supply twenty four pay some theories I've seen thrown around amongst people are disappointed in this is [TS]

01:00:57   certain is that Apple doesn't want to incur the switching overhead of like switching modes [TS]

01:01:03   and H D M I probably can be wanking take some time and blank your screen and stuff [TS]

01:01:06   and you don't want to do that it's like a bad user experience. [TS]

01:01:09   Like everything else involving intially am I so they're just going to lock it at like a computer like a tiny little [TS]

01:01:15   computer like a tiny little mac mini lock at sixty frames inch up convert all video on the device. [TS]

01:01:21   Presumably with nice scaling [TS]

01:01:22   and trying to deal with all these different problems to hide judder an image processing anyway. [TS]

01:01:27   Video files hit all that. So if you are a video file. [TS]

01:01:32   Like me I guess you will probably want to continue buying the movies that you really care about.. [TS]

01:01:38   In a format other than videos that appear on Apple T.V. [TS]

01:01:43   But if you are a video file there's hope for you because there's a good chance that something will come to the Apple. [TS]

01:01:49   T.V. What would that the show that talk about on the show. Long time ago about calibrating your television. [TS]

01:01:55   A long time ago. Yeah. [TS]

01:01:57   I'm heavily in favor of calibrating a television it's not a super complicated can be super complicated [TS]

01:02:02   but even just very basic calibration. [TS]

01:02:04   Can be done pretty easily of the question of how how do I calibrate I don't know when you might. [TS]

01:02:08   I just look at my television I can't tell what looks right. Well. [TS]

01:02:11   They saw I was applications that can help you calibrate tellers was also blue red S. [TS]

01:02:16   That help you carry break them used to be that every T.H.X. D.V.D. Came with the calibration thing maybe. [TS]

01:02:21   You know a Tivo comes with the calibration thing built into the thing. [TS]

01:02:24   Lots of different ways to do this but I was outside deal because hey it's an app and you can. [TS]

01:02:28   You know write a fancy app and the. The whoever owns the. [TS]

01:02:32   Yes does now however once the Ajax can make an app for it and stuff and behold there is a T.H.X. Apps rial S. [TS]

01:02:37   and You can use it but you had to airplay to do it. [TS]

01:02:39   And I always worried about that because what you really calibrating is how airplay video looks like well maybe I [TS]

01:02:45   calibrated T.V. [TS]

01:02:45   But then when I play things I'm Blu ray player through a different input is that calibration is still valid.. [TS]

01:02:51   But with Apple T.V. The Apple T.V. If that's where you're watching your video. The app can be right on the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:02:57   You're not airplane was weird to MPEG four compressed stream or whatever it could be right on the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:03:03   So I'm excited about the prospect of native happen T.V. [TS]

01:03:07   Calton on the only money only person is holding excited about calibration apps for the athletes but. [TS]

01:03:12   But it's perfectly. It is perfect for the Apple T.V. Because it's not. [TS]

01:03:15   You know it doesn't help you with your blue ray player [TS]

01:03:17   but it does make you sure that what you're calibrating is the exact thing that you're going to watch movies on [TS]

01:03:22   but just you know. If you have a bunch of i Tunes movies on your Apple T.V. [TS]

01:03:26   Out across the people who would be most into calibration are also now crushed that it doesn't the twenty four P. [TS]

01:03:31   So I'm not sure if it's really the H.D.M.I. Switching issue I'm not sure Apple ever fix that because I've seen. [TS]

01:03:37   You know when when your T.V. Screen goes blank or goes gray or does of little glitchy fuzz that it's terrible. [TS]

01:03:43   I would never want the Apple T.V. To do that. [TS]

01:03:45   Some actually kind of in favor of this cheap little hundred fifty dollars box never doing that [TS]

01:03:49   and just you know putting out everything is who the fans are second. [TS]

01:03:52   And what the audio files bother Blu ray players and we'll get along fine. Fair enough. What I was Games supports M.F.I. [TS]

01:04:02   Controllers John. [TS]

01:04:04   I know [TS]

01:04:04   but we got a list don't put in the show notes I think so is saying that the list was only like sixteen games that seems [TS]

01:04:08   a waste of all to me. [TS]

01:04:10   You know I'm sure the huge number of games that support it because it's been around since I was seven. [TS]

01:04:15   This was offered up as the potential base for games that could go to be able to give us not really true because these [TS]

01:04:23   games. Probably also have like a touch. Control and. [TS]

01:04:27   You know they're not going to have a touch equipment that's gets or next fall by them which is. If you have a game.. [TS]

01:04:33   That works with a controller and also works with touch controls can you just bring that right over top of T.V. [TS]

01:04:38   Well the control apart you can bring right over. [TS]

01:04:41   Because I don't think they've changed anything involving the controllers there. [TS]

01:04:43   But the touch part obviously you can't bring over you say well that's fine. [TS]

01:04:46   I will just bring over the game and say requires a controller to play and. Last week. [TS]

01:04:51   I think I went to their website and look this up [TS]

01:04:53   and I think in the show is like oh you know Apple says that you can have games that require controllers. [TS]

01:04:57   So a bunch of people send us links in the great thing is a bunch of people tweeted to us. [TS]

01:05:01   and such as an email with exactly the same U.R.L. Some people saying. Apple says that you can make Apple T.V. [TS]

01:05:08   Ads that require a controller and other people saying. Apple says you cannot. [TS]

01:05:13   And both point to the same exact euro Luckily someone on Twitter actually screenshot it. Right. [TS]

01:05:18   Here's here's a screen shot and again you can fake screenshots and I'm pretty sure I read this Apple site. [TS]

01:05:22   At one point this year all that we'll put in the show notes. Said pointing to a document it said. [TS]

01:05:28   Had a heading it that you can require an extended game controller. Unlike i OS app Apple T.V. [TS]

01:05:32   Ads can require the user to own a full game controller that supports extended gamepad profile. [TS]

01:05:37   But requiring a full game withdrawal is highly discouraged when you restrict Bob All right. [TS]

01:05:41   But bottom line if you can require an extended controller. [TS]

01:05:44   But the current version of the page says exactly the opposite. Your game must support the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:05:49   Remote Your game may not require the use of a controller. So going by like the you know. [TS]

01:05:54   Last one wins rule Elachi probably click on the flank now to see might actually says. [TS]

01:05:59   I'm pretty sure that despite the waffling in the first day or two after the Apple T.V. Was announced. [TS]

01:06:04   Right now it says. Your game may not require the use of a controller. [TS]

01:06:08   And that spawned a whole bunch of stories on tech websites about everyone going crazy about how Apple doesn't [TS]

01:06:13   understand gaming and if you can't require a controller. [TS]

01:06:15   You're not going to be able to play in certain my favorite genre game here and all that is true. [TS]

01:06:21   I think this rule is in keeping with how Apple has dish and all of it does ice. Devices with respect to gaming. [TS]

01:06:28   It seems kind of dumb to me. [TS]

01:06:30   On the other hand like Does it wasn't the case that the next call duty was going to come for Apple T.V. [TS]

01:06:37   If only Apple changes one rule. Nope. It was never coming. [TS]

01:06:40   I was not is not going to say about the thing that's giving it's kind of silly. If Apple. It shut it does. [TS]

01:06:47   We'll have this shows Apple doesn't understand games [TS]

01:06:49   or isn't serious about games what it shows is how Apple views games for its platform. It wants. [TS]

01:06:54   Games to be on its platform so it's a certain kind of games. The kind of games it wants. [TS]

01:06:58   It wants you to be able to play without having to buy a controller. [TS]

01:07:00   That's the product Apple is making I don't I don't think it shows a lack of understanding because I don't think anyone [TS]

01:07:08   Apple under any illusions that they are going to you know. [TS]

01:07:12   Have the same type of games that console's have and appeal to the same people who buy console games and love them. [TS]

01:07:18   I think they're making a decision not to do that and so this is in keeping with that [TS]

01:07:22   but it drives people who love console games crazy because they feel like oh you're so close if only you got serious [TS]

01:07:26   about games and get serious get serious they mean. [TS]

01:07:29   Made games that appeals to the millions of people who buy a Playstation four next like Swan And even the way you design [TS]

01:07:34   extent. That's not what Apple doing. Apple is not serious about getting one of the. [TS]

01:07:39   One of the ideas I have in my ideas file for hypercritical echo that I never up that. [TS]

01:07:46   I think some of the first ideas I put in there I think I mentioned before is like Apple and games. [TS]

01:07:50   It's Just Not That Into You like Apple Apple doesn't feel the same way about games. [TS]

01:07:57   That those of us who have a game console is and have played mac and P.C. Games. Feel about games like they're. [TS]

01:08:03   They have a different attitude towards games [TS]

01:08:05   and their attitude is more common in the world of people who are going to buy their products than our attitude is. [TS]

01:08:11   And that is disappointing to a lot of people. Well that is just the case. So this rule. [TS]

01:08:15   Assuming it hasn't swapped back by now is in keeping with that. [TS]

01:08:20   I think it will cut down on the sophistication [TS]

01:08:22   and interest of the type of games are going to get it might also cut down on shovelware. [TS]

01:08:26   And maybe that's why they're doing it if they really interest. [TS]

01:08:28   And just see this phenomenon of Apple having public documents that are not even behind a developer account password. [TS]

01:08:34   That one day say one thing in the next they say the entire opposite about a fairly significant future having to do with [TS]

01:08:39   gaming. On their newly launched product it's a little out of character for them to go back and forth like that. Is it. [TS]

01:08:47   Well. In public when like. I mean when you think every going to carbon sixty four. A resolution independence. [TS]

01:08:55   I'm thinking more like the various after you controversies that usually crop up after a new ability is added to the. [TS]

01:09:02   S.T.K. So you know they they might decide. You know like like similar to how they how. What I was eight. [TS]

01:09:10   There was big Rafah full About what. [TS]

01:09:12   Notification Center widgets couldn't couldn't do or included in the keyboards couldn't couldn't include and. [TS]

01:09:18   Could you include a button notification center and all this crazy stuff. [TS]

01:09:21   Well it's like rules lawyering though because they will some will get rejected [TS]

01:09:24   and they'll say Well according to the rules [TS]

01:09:26   and seem like a sort of rejected then they amend the rules to make their decision right [TS]

01:09:29   but then people complain every verse that launched under pro [TS]

01:09:31   or like you couldn't launch an app from that of occasions screen. They change that to like two years later. [TS]

01:09:35   This is just like a black and white before anyone even started development day one once [TS]

01:09:41   and it wasn't even like it was in response to outcry It's almost like they just forgot to update the public facing docs [TS]

01:09:46   you know because no one even had probably call something literally day one [TS]

01:09:50   and day two so that seems strange to me that they are just not have their act together with I don't think any Has [TS]

01:09:55   anything happened between day one day to the made them reverse this policy there was no outcry from developers [TS]

01:10:01   or whatever says they they kind of like forgot to update the site. [TS]

01:10:05   Or maybe like the final decision maker made a decision one day late [TS]

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01:13:14   All right John tell me about the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:13:16   and Web Kit for that it's fun to point out the neo con in the chat room reminds me of the P S three. [TS]

01:13:21   Does actual twenty four be out by the way the P S three is my blue ray player [TS]

01:13:25   when I was saying that's what I watched over yes it's on the P.S. Traits pretty good Blu ray player. [TS]

01:13:29   All that kind of noisy. But anyway. [TS]

01:13:32   It is possible it's not like it's impossible for a computer like device to do this [TS]

01:13:35   but I'm pretty sure that the S three when you launch Blu Ray Blank the screen and switches H.D.M.I. [TS]

01:13:39   Modes and does all the stuff that I said the Apple T.V. Probably shouldn't. [TS]

01:13:42   So what may be appropriate for a Blu ray player. [TS]

01:13:45   Even if the Blu ray player is essentially a mini computer like the P S three. [TS]

01:13:48   Is maybe not appropriate for hundred fifty dollar. Fanless black puck. [TS]

01:13:54   I don't think I'll shouldn't part of support it if they can figure out a way to do it. [TS]

01:13:57   That's fine I just understand I kind of understand why it might not support of the same thing with four K.. [TS]

01:14:01   By that we didn't discuss this but maybe briefly mentioned last time. The new Apple T.V. If not for K. [TS]

01:14:08   Everyone who asked me. [TS]

01:14:09   You know that you've asked me of this you got television [TS]

01:14:11   or what do they want to know what television to get not tell [TS]

01:14:13   and get no television because now's not a good bye because we're after the plasma times over for LEDs of come into [TS]

01:14:22   their own.. [TS]

01:14:23   Mostly all as I keep seeing a curve to I really hope that goes away I really hope that goes away like three D. [TS]

01:14:27   Kind of went away. Because I did not want to curry T.V. Anyway. As a bad time to buy it because four K. [TS]

01:14:35   Is on the horizon you can buy a fork a T.V. Now but it would be kind of like buying one of the very early plasmas. [TS]

01:14:41   Unless you're really lucky and got one of the top and the curly things. Probably not the best time to buy a four K.. [TS]

01:14:49   Television Apple doesn't support it but a lot of people is like why doesn't the new Apple T.V. Support for four K. [TS]

01:14:54   It's got enough grunt to support in theory. I don't know if the D.M. I suspect that it conforms to supports for K.. [TS]

01:15:02   To the degree is needed but I kind of agree that it seems like what the night in that right. Maybe handle four K. [TS]

01:15:09   Maybe I don't know. Anyway. [TS]

01:15:12   Bottom line it doesn't doesn't have this product is defined I wouldn't count on this product being updated in any way [TS]

01:15:17   to support for came a future even if the hardware Secondly capable of it because that's just not the kind of the thing [TS]

01:15:22   that Bill does. When they made you buy a whole new product when they went from seven twenty P. To ten A.T.P.. [TS]

01:15:26   That tells you anything so don't buy an Apple T.V. If you're expecting it to magically have four K. Support. [TS]

01:15:31   Just resign yourself to spending under one hundred fifty bucks in a couple years when four K. Finally matures. [TS]

01:15:38   Right to tell us about what kit. [TS]

01:15:40   This is a big kerfuffle started I think those started by a Daniel Pascoe his from black box all right he wrote a thing [TS]

01:15:48   called a world of the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:15:50   A world without web use limiting [TS]

01:15:52   or maybe just reporting the fact that you're not allowed to bring up web you in your Apple T.V. [TS]

01:15:56   Application and ever is upset about that. It's I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. I mean. [TS]

01:16:05   One question is like which I think we don't really know the answer yet. [TS]

01:16:09   Is how many of the apps that we have on our phone are going to be necessary to have in our T.V.'s. [TS]

01:16:15   How many were actually going to want to happen on T.V.'s. I think going to be a smaller and slightly different group. [TS]

01:16:21   So a lot of the option your phone are just like for things that could have been Web sites. [TS]

01:16:25   You know like your bank Apple like some of the stuff I just could have been a Web site. [TS]

01:16:29   And so they obviously web user use very heavily in a lot of those things [TS]

01:16:32   and so you know it's it's fine if a lot of those can't work now. [TS]

01:16:37   That being said there are a lot of a lot of apps that use web views in smaller ways like. [TS]

01:16:44   Like I use web use an overcast forwards. [TS]

01:16:46   The rendering of the show notes on the playback screen the scroll view on the playback screen that includes the artwork [TS]

01:16:51   in the shadows below it. That is a web you. It is a giant web view. Because that way I can render H.T.M.L. [TS]

01:16:57   In the notes and it works just fine. It's great. So like you know something that. [TS]

01:17:02   That makes sense things like reading apps. You know Instapaper. Instapaper is a big web you as well. [TS]

01:17:09   I don't think people are going to be reading on their T.V.'s very often who knows I mean sure somebody might want to [TS]

01:17:14   try but that's not going to be a very common request I don't think so again. That's fine too. [TS]

01:17:18   I think it's going to be annoying for some people but not nearly as big of a problem. [TS]

01:17:25   As a most people expect now the other thing is. What about just web browsing. On the T.V. [TS]

01:17:30   Obviously liking or not just using a web view in an app. But actually just browsing to arbitrary pages. [TS]

01:17:35   Obviously if you think about something like a Twitter client. On the Apple T.V. or A news reader. [TS]

01:17:41   Then those are going to be challenging to make compelling because again. We're going to do a tap. [TS]

01:17:48   Like Twitter's full of links. So if you if you are browsing the Twitter why on the T.V. [TS]

01:17:53   and You can't have any links to can be kind of annoying. But again it's like are people really going to be browsing. [TS]

01:17:59   Arbitrary web pages on T. He's. [TS]

01:18:01   Because one thing that people don't often talk about [TS]

01:18:03   but becomes obvious if you've ever tried to do this like putting a computer into your T.V. [TS]

01:18:07   or Anything that T.V.'s actually look terrible. [TS]

01:18:11   When you try to view like text and Web ads like T.V.'s are much lower resolution than you think. [TS]

01:18:19   Weird contrast in color issue with limitations. They really are not good screens to be reading text on. [TS]

01:18:26   So I don't think this is that big of a problem really. Well. The screen quality if you have. If you have a good T.V. [TS]

01:18:32   And you know the right distance from it is not that bad it's not as bad as used to be in the old C.R.T. [TS]

01:18:36   Standard def days and if you have a for good T.V. And I believe it is the parted. [TS]

01:18:40   Now then I thank you those those problems would be gone all it's kind of disappointing to me that they don't support it [TS]

01:18:46   mostly because every smartish thing. That is not a computer. That is connected to a television in the past. [TS]

01:18:53   You know of several years. Has a web browser Bilton. [TS]

01:18:56   I think you know I Play Station four does my way you does I think my way you does like everything. [TS]

01:19:02   I don't know if my my Tivo does but like everything feels compelled to have a browser. If it hooks up to a T.V. [TS]

01:19:08   As an internet connection because hey why not why I mean the three D.S. [TS]

01:19:11   Has a web browser kernel out and every single one of those browsers is the worst browser. Ever like. [TS]

01:19:17   There are terrible to use you launch it once [TS]

01:19:20   and you realize like maybe it uses like an old version of the Opera engine and can't render anything as really slow [TS]

01:19:25   and have these weird controls about scrolling the page and moving the cursor and all is just terrible. [TS]

01:19:31   And so you just never launch it again you know [TS]

01:19:33   and a reason I'm going to pointed in the main reason disappointed is that if an I O. [TS]

01:19:38   Us powered device within a it and it. [TS]

01:19:41   Powered by Web Kit was hooked up with my television and they put it whether you want it [TS]

01:19:45   and I had like a Touch Control no remote to scroll around. [TS]

01:19:47   It would actually be like nice and responsive and fast and look good and render correctly and that would be a miracle. [TS]

01:19:54   Because I've never seen that on my television. That said. I really have no urge to brush my pages on my television. [TS]

01:20:01   And I think that's kind of. It's. [TS]

01:20:04   I guess it's a red herring because I get to like what the motivation of this might be but Margot [TS]

01:20:09   when you're talking about like the show notes. [TS]

01:20:11   That's coming from the web and of course Instapaper content is coming from the web. But I think there are a lot of. [TS]

01:20:18   Perhaps a surprising number of I.R.S. Applications that use a web view. [TS]

01:20:24   To render content that does not come from the web. [TS]

01:20:26   Maybe it's just in the application bundle Maybe it's like they want to just build a string on the fly maybe someone who [TS]

01:20:32   is like a web developer and as Mark Austin doing that maybe it is sort of from their own private web server [TS]

01:20:36   and parts of the U.I. [TS]

01:20:37   or Web use like you're not giving them arbitrary web browsing you're not even perhaps giving them links you're just [TS]

01:20:42   using it as a more flexible or maybe just the way that people are more comfortable with way to layout. [TS]

01:20:48   Text and images in your you I would just. Probably not the appropriate thing to do. [TS]

01:20:53   But because Web Kit is so fast and because it's fairly efficient and if you have simple needs. [TS]

01:20:57   It is a pretty easy way to do you know to sneak a little bit of web development into your Iowa South. [TS]

01:21:03   And the fact of that's not possible. [TS]

01:21:06   I think is something that Apple may have to end up backsliding on because it's all just like oh why is it. [TS]

01:21:13   Why is this happening. [TS]

01:21:14   Is it happening because they didn't couldn't get web kid ready in time gravity that seems unlikely because all the T.V. [TS]

01:21:19   M.L. Stuff surely uses web get or at least javascript course something like that in there. [TS]

01:21:23   And it's just an A And it's just that I was very and getting web get to work is not rocket science I can work. [TS]

01:21:29   Is it because they don't want anyone to ever make a web browser out for the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:21:35   Can they do that with app or view. [TS]

01:21:36   Like slap you down to try to make something like a web browser [TS]

01:21:40   or the final reason the most popular one seems to be they don't want you using web technologies to make a you why they [TS]

01:21:45   want you to make a native application. [TS]

01:21:48   That may be the case maybe that's getting back to what I talk about the last show about the AMC in the USA apps one of [TS]

01:21:52   which was terrible and one of which was only merely. So subtle. And I can remember which was which. [TS]

01:21:58   But a lot of those seem like big giant web use of H.T.M.L. Five video players. [TS]

01:22:02   Is that why their creditors a credit because the servers [TS]

01:22:04   when responders are credit because they have buggy javascript attacking whether seen a commercial I don't know where [TS]

01:22:08   the blame lies. But it's conceivable that that app was credited because it was done with the Web you why. [TS]

01:22:14   It was like a repackaging of their website inside and I was container and it was you know their website was crappy [TS]

01:22:19   and so was there I sat. As usual Apple is silent in this area. [TS]

01:22:24   I haven't heard anything whispers from anybody about is this something they're going to amend. [TS]

01:22:29   Is it just we weren't quite ready in time [TS]

01:22:30   or is it an intentional thing where they're trying to send a message with a lack of Web Kit support to tell you you're. [TS]

01:22:37   not allowed to use Web technologies anywhere on Apple T.V. [TS]

01:22:40   I would love to know what the answer as but right now I don't tell us about your early musings on the i Pad Pro.. [TS]

01:22:47   Well actually before we do that any other thoughtfully Apple T.V. I'm honestly I'm kind of looking forward to it. [TS]

01:22:53   I mean. [TS]

01:22:53   I so one of the topics I don't know how much am I going to this now because I haven't thought too much about it yet [TS]

01:22:58   but one of the topics that we kept hearing about that I kept hearing about. [TS]

01:23:03   Is how could how could we engender all and usually me specifically. [TS]

01:23:09   How can I be so pessimistic about all the stuff Apple announced. And first of all I don't think I was I don't think. [TS]

01:23:16   I don't think I've been recently pessimistic and I do think there's a lot of of warranted pessimism [TS]

01:23:21   or skepticism that I that I expressed about the very stuff. [TS]

01:23:25   However there are two things that I am more excited about this week when I was last week. Number one is three D. [TS]

01:23:32   Touch because after watching more the videos and after you know maybe seeing some people using it. I does look. [TS]

01:23:40   I have not used it I have not felt it [TS]

01:23:42   or touched it myself however it does look like it's going to be really really nice as a shortcut mechanism to do a lot [TS]

01:23:50   of quick things. I don't you know. [TS]

01:23:53   My concerns about it discoverability everything remain however I do things for power users like us. [TS]

01:24:01   I think it'll be really nice to have. [TS]

01:24:04   So we'll see you know we'll see how much it matters for regular people I think it's going to matter. [TS]

01:24:07   About as much as things like multitasking gestures.. [TS]

01:24:10   For regular people but we'll see the other thing I'm I am more excited about the last because the Apple T.V. [TS]

01:24:16   I do however you know. I said last week my. My main concern with the Apple T.V. Is not whether I would like it. [TS]

01:24:22   It's whether people will buy it because it's a hundred fifty dollars box entering a market a very very cheap things. [TS]

01:24:28   that people think are good enough and. And they're still going to keep selling the old Apple T.V. [TS]

01:24:33   So it's going to have to compete with that which is half the price. [TS]

01:24:37   And I and I think it's going to be a tough sell for a while until the app story develops if it does. That being said. [TS]

01:24:43   I'm looking forward to it because first of all it will allow me to consolidate our universe [TS]

01:24:48   or month situation here which will be nice but also. I'm looking forward to it because I mean I like apps and. [TS]

01:24:56   I think it'll be kind of interesting kind of fun to play around with. So I am looking forward to both of those things. [TS]

01:25:03   Whether the whole rest of the world is. We'll see what happens there. But I'm looking forward to. [TS]

01:25:09   Yeah I don't think like Apple T.V. [TS]

01:25:10   It was the one thing I said I'm definitely buying [TS]

01:25:12   and I was do you think about it while I was of course I'm also in the US about the i Pad Pro so I don't think you know. [TS]

01:25:19   It's. Maybe it's the hypercritical influence but thus far. Our. Most of us. [TS]

01:25:26   Mostly on the show we've found it more interesting to talk about the potential problems of products [TS]

01:25:31   and think about what to go wrong event to just spend the entire time gushing rather things that we like [TS]

01:25:35   but there were things that we like and you know if we end the show [TS]

01:25:37   and a bunch of us say that we're definitely getting Apple T.V. That's probably you know like OK. [TS]

01:25:42   But anyway who hairs of we're getting was like we talked about the products. The Good The Bad and The Ugly. [TS]

01:25:48   I do agree that market lately has been in the downswing in terms of being cranky about things that happen all is [TS]

01:25:55   falling down about [TS]

01:25:55   but it's not like it's just an articulate Great Britain thousands of words about it like it's not it's not a vague [TS]

01:26:00   notion that he just kind of has. [TS]

01:26:02   And just you know it's got an ax to grind you've got specific concerns that he's expressed in various ways [TS]

01:26:07   and so I think that's you know. That's just his opinion man. Well and I think also like. [TS]

01:26:12   There's a lot that I've been positive about now. [TS]

01:26:14   You know the idea that I have to be like equally positive [TS]

01:26:17   and negative is of course totally wrong in the balance Margot. [TS]

01:26:20   Yeah right now you know that's a little bit look at that of the way the you know that. That is that is total B.S. [TS]

01:26:24   However there's a lot of Apple stuff [TS]

01:26:27   and Apple products that have launched in the last couple years that I really enjoy that I use constantly. [TS]

01:26:34   I've been very vocal about how much I really enjoy the Apple Watch. [TS]

01:26:38   Even though I think the apps that you a heinous terrible which it is. [TS]

01:26:41   I think the rest their product is great and I keep saying that nobody hears it but I keep saying it. [TS]

01:26:46   I also really enjoy the rediscovery of M.D.S. Responder. [TS]

01:26:52   And the victim of discovery different marketing system because as I've written about and seven Assad cast. [TS]

01:26:59   The reliability of the things I do with my home network. On on an almost ten has skyrocketed. [TS]

01:27:06   The reliability of my Apple T.V. [TS]

01:27:08   and The things I do on there and airplay and and things like that those have all skyrocketed. [TS]

01:27:13   After I'm going to respond or came back. This government is the new Coke. [TS]

01:27:17   Because like nobody there was maybe you came into the night too late but there was no love for and D.M.'s responder. [TS]

01:27:23   In the many years. There was always a source of problems there was that it killed people have problems with the river. [TS]

01:27:29   The only reason it gets a lot is going to brought new Coke and overhyped New Coke [TS]

01:27:33   and they brought back into the US as well as in the US respond to a classic everybody loves it right. Anyway. [TS]

01:27:38   So yeah it. That like my world has been changed at home. [TS]

01:27:42   Like the last year with a seventy was really rough until that changes made a few months ago. [TS]

01:27:47   And as I wrote about on my site when it happened. [TS]

01:27:50   That has made a massive difference for me in the reliability of the stuff. [TS]

01:27:54   However there are still tons of things that need work. [TS]

01:27:58   For instance I launch an app today or say we might get two and it was delayed by an App Store bug. [TS]

01:28:05   For five and a half hours after it was approved for sale. Because just the C.D.N. Just didn't work. [TS]

01:28:11   And that's happened a lot of developers today during the release of us nine. It Happen to tons of people. [TS]

01:28:17   You know there's. There are still issues with the services. [TS]

01:28:20   There are still issues with some of the applications there are still issues with some of the hardware. [TS]

01:28:25   There still delays of like things like Skylab with Granted it's not oppose fault but it still affects Apple's products. [TS]

01:28:31   There's been significant stagnation in the laptop lineup recently because we're so late with the C.P.U. [TS]

01:28:37   So you know like there's there's stuff that. That is not perfect and there is stuff like the i Phone six battery. [TS]

01:28:43   That I think is you know. Not not the decision I would have made. [TS]

01:28:46   And not the decision that fits me [TS]

01:28:48   when I say things like that the product line is getting it is getting more narrowly focused products and that. [TS]

01:28:55   The question of who is this for the answer to that keeps getting narrower for the lot of these newer products. [TS]

01:29:01   I don't think that's unfair or to Sara Lee negative. [TS]

01:29:05   But that is certainly an observation the product line but again it's like. [TS]

01:29:08   I still use the I am Act which is a general purpose large desktop. [TS]

01:29:12   And the fifteen inch map approach is the most general purpose laptop and they have like for you know. [TS]

01:29:16   Get a laptop that will serve and to use to serve. That's the one OK. [TS]

01:29:20   You know I'm talking to you on this through an act through live stream through. [TS]

01:29:25   There Mack with a roomful of Apple gear I mean it's like you know I still like a lot of Apple stuff however I don't [TS]

01:29:32   think it's unfair or unwarranted. [TS]

01:29:36   To point out the areas than which they're kind of missing the mark for me or for everybody. [TS]

01:29:40   And as they keep serving more and more and more areas. [TS]

01:29:44   Because what they what they have today with the product line is way more broad in just like number sheer number of [TS]

01:29:51   products and services and apps that they have right now is so much more broad than it used to be. [TS]

01:29:56   And the fact is they're not doing all of them well. [TS]

01:29:59   At the end you know Apple Apple has never been able to juggle too many things at once particularly well. [TS]

01:30:04   And the number of things they can juggle at once. Well over time has gone up. [TS]

01:30:09   But so has the number of things they try to juggle. And so there. They really you know. [TS]

01:30:16   This still there still always areas that can use improvement. And we on the outside. [TS]

01:30:21   People like us who don't work for them and they're like because people who work for them. [TS]

01:30:26   Can't really say anything because they can get in trouble. [TS]

01:30:30   But people like us on the outside who don't work for them and say whatever we want. [TS]

01:30:35   Can effect positive change within Apple and within its products. [TS]

01:30:40   By ranting about them when that's when it's warranted by giving them. Real constructive. Valid criticism. [TS]

01:30:47   When it's warranted. That actually effect positive change. [TS]

01:30:51   Every time I complain about something about Apple that that is like a fair complaint I hear from people on the inside [TS]

01:30:57   of the company. Either right then or near that either right then or soon after I hear from people that. [TS]

01:31:05   Whatever I said or wrote was circulated in some group. And that that like helped that team. Argue for their point. [TS]

01:31:12   Or make a change or whatever. And I hear this from everyone I know who writes about Apple or talk about Apple. [TS]

01:31:17   The people inside listen. Our complaints are ammunition for internal fights. And that complaining works in a way that. [TS]

01:31:25   Following book after book might not for me complaining works. And again. [TS]

01:31:31   You know there's no reason to stop complaining just out of. [TS]

01:31:34   You know trying to be nice if things really are broken or could use improvement. [TS]

01:31:40   If the thing that struck me about the feedback we got [TS]

01:31:42   and we did get several people writing in saying oh my God Your bunch of curmudgeons. [TS]

01:31:46   You know maybe there's some truth to that but I don't know. [TS]

01:31:49   I don't think it does anyone any good for us to just be parrots that are saying oh this is the best apples the best [TS]

01:31:54   apples flawless nothing up with dozens wrong. [TS]

01:31:57   I mean that would not be a particularly enjoyable show for us to make [TS]

01:32:01   or for most people to listen to so I feel like I speak for all of us and saying genuinely I mean if if we came across. [TS]

01:32:08   Grumpy last episode that wasn't our intention but you know we're going to call it like we see it [TS]

01:32:14   and if we see things as being broken then. Dammit we're going to say that it's broken and that's just how we feel. [TS]

01:32:21   And you know if it doesn't work for. If it doesn't work for you then I'm sorry but you know T.J. [TS]

01:32:28   Lomas saying in the chat it was a three hour negative a thon. Maybe we listened. [TS]

01:32:32   Maybe what I said did not feel it was like three hour. Complaining festival. [TS]

01:32:38   I didn't get a chance to listen back to the episode but man. It certainly didn't feel that way. [TS]

01:32:44   When when I was recording it and I'm pretty sure that you guys didn't think it went that way either [TS]

01:32:49   and if it came across that way then you know we're sorry but this is how we feel and. [TS]

01:32:52   You know if you're looking for someone to just parrot about how amazing Apple is you're going to have to look elsewhere. [TS]

01:32:59   Pointed ladies and gentleman to criticism for lack of a better word is good. Criticism is right. Criticism works. [TS]

01:33:05   Criticism clarifies cuts through captures the essence of the evolutionary spared. The reference. Yes it is. [TS]

01:33:12   I could tell it and that was your quote voice but I couldn't figure out where it's from that was my core voice [TS]

01:33:17   and I was I was there's a double quote voice because I was quoting a thing in which I was quoting a thing. Oh God. [TS]

01:33:23   Well put it in the show notes. Speaking of quoting yourself. Want to tell us about what you said about the i Pad Pro. [TS]

01:33:30   Yeah speaking of going myself I was just curious about this because we talk about the i Pad prolapse week. And I are. [TS]

01:33:36   This is that you know. I want i Pad Pro for a long time. [TS]

01:33:39   And I like how long when that I first start talking about the i Pad Pro. [TS]

01:33:43   I thought it was on a podcast [TS]

01:33:44   and so I am Plus I deployed the underscore David Smith who has magical abilities to find out what people said things in [TS]

01:33:51   the past which we should all be frightened of. Because I don't know where he gets these powers. [TS]

01:33:56   But if you've lost your car keys. Contact underscored it's met people tell you where they are very convenient service. [TS]

01:34:02   As long as you've spoken about it on a podcast. Right. [TS]

01:34:05   Well we don't know we don't know but it's not just you know you're speculating with limits to his power. Anyway. [TS]

01:34:11   I search my own podcast for like a good. [TS]

01:34:14   Ninety seconds before I'm going to the slight channel and I asked if the look it up for me I feel kind of anyway [TS]

01:34:20   but I did search for and I couldn't find it he found it immediately. It was a hyper critical episode fifty eight. [TS]

01:34:26   And March of two thousand and twelve thirty one minutes. [TS]

01:34:28   In you'll hear my first musings about my first public musings about you know what out bush knew they'd make a bigger i [TS]

01:34:34   Pad and called the i Pad problem blah blah blah so if you're interested in that. [TS]

01:34:38   Or just want to hear a really old hypercritical Rice sound really weird talk about things in the past. [TS]

01:34:43   I'll put that link in the show it's to. OK speaking of the i Pad Pro. Dr wave. [TS]

01:34:49   Michael Johnson from Pixar tweeted at some point or another. I believe was a tweet. [TS]

01:34:54   He said My understanding is that the i Pad Pro recognizes the stylus data from the Apple pencil. [TS]

01:35:00   Flowing in at two hundred forty her fingers at one hundred twenty hertz. [TS]

01:35:06   And the air to you in general will do one hundred twenty hertz and all of their i Pads [TS]

01:35:11   and i was devices do sixty hertz. My understanding is that his understanding is accurate that the i Pad pros to forty. [TS]

01:35:19   For the apple pencil. One twenty for everything else and all in the air to was one twenty Everything else is sixty. [TS]

01:35:25   Yeah. [TS]

01:35:25   And that I make mine with a variable refresh rate is really interesting you know the technical lengths that Apple has [TS]

01:35:32   to go [TS]

01:35:32   or is willing to go are both to do a good job with like I want you just add a stylus of the i Pad Well it's not as simple [TS]

01:35:38   as you know. Yes it is that I can figure out how you knew price sensitivity. And also you know. [TS]

01:35:44   Sixty sixty hertz again very common for computer re things any kind of computer a thing whether it's I come to a T.V. [TS]

01:35:49   Hooked up to a monitor it's been a standard for many years and everything C.R.T.'s one or I sixty hertz. [TS]

01:35:56   But that's not good enough for for it to feel nice [TS]

01:35:59   when you're driving on it I'm not sure why the air too is one twenty maybe they just cranked it up because they could [TS]

01:36:07   there I don't know exactly where the bandit is but. [TS]

01:36:08   But to forty four the thing of a support the pencil makes perfect sense and. And again. [TS]

01:36:15   During the videos that they show people drawing on the thing I can see the lack like the like. [TS]

01:36:20   Once you know what to look for. You know the leg is there. But if you've ever. [TS]

01:36:25   You know used a way calmer Wakeham tablet depending on how you pronounce it [TS]

01:36:28   or you know sin take which is that there thing where they were you drawn a screen that they provide to you. [TS]

01:36:33   There's plenty of lag there to link for them think time that video from the Microsoft Research thing that shows. [TS]

01:36:40   They had like an experimentalist by the shows different amounts of lag reading just turn the dial and crank it up and. [TS]

01:36:45   Around and boy at the difference between current technology. [TS]

01:36:49   And the best thing that we can do right now with unlimited money is dramatic and as soon as you see the good [TS]

01:36:56   when you're like oh well. I want that. Well tough luck. [TS]

01:37:00   You can't have that but what you know will get there eventually [TS]

01:37:03   and I will get there is by every new iteration of these type of things you can scroll bomb of the pen. [TS]

01:37:08   Make a better make it faster so what I'm interested in I haven't seen I think I have a link [TS]

01:37:12   and that we can put in the show it's from a somebody who wrote a blog post comparing the apple pencil to the top of the [TS]

01:37:18   line. Tablet that artists use now. [TS]

01:37:22   And had nice things to say about the Apple tablet [TS]

01:37:24   but I guess we have to wait until these things are in people's hands and feel like hands on tests or whatever. [TS]

01:37:29   But I do know that every every tablet I've ever seen anyone use to draw with or have drawn with myself. [TS]

01:37:35   Has had lag that I can see Apple's thing also has legs that I can say. [TS]

01:37:40   I can't I bought I can't say which is worse or which is better. One one point that was made his initial It's so much. [TS]

01:37:46   I thought we had a link to name one point that was made in this article about the comparing of the sim take to the i [TS]

01:37:53   Pad Pro. Was that the sim take that makes it seem like where are the images and where your stylus touches the screen. [TS]

01:38:03   Are distant from each other like there's an air gap or like a. You know sort of like a a large gap so that. [TS]

01:38:08   Depending on what angle you're holding at the parallax makes it seem like the ink [TS]

01:38:11   or whatever is not coming out of the tip of your pen it's coming out of some point removed from the tip of your pen. [TS]

01:38:17   And the i Pad. That seems less. [TS]

01:38:21   Because that the whole thing is thinner and the glasses then are in this laminated have a glass [TS]

01:38:24   and all the other stuff. [TS]

01:38:26   And that makes sense to me tech wise because Apple is surely better able to manufacture the fanciest screen with the [TS]

01:38:33   smallest gap and no air gap and great lamination everything. Where a company that makes tablets for artists. [TS]

01:38:41   Necessarily has much smaller volumes and not have NOT doesn't have billions of dollars in the bank [TS]

01:38:46   and all the stuff so there is the potential for the i Pad Pro to be a really good tool for artist that is potentially [TS]

01:38:53   as good as or better than all existing dedicated tools. [TS]

01:38:56   A But I think we have to wait and see for the people actually buy this and use it to do real work [TS]

01:39:00   and they were poured back. Yeah I mean this is another by the way. [TS]

01:39:04   One of the one of those things I was very positive about was the i Pad Pro for pen input. The pencil itself. [TS]

01:39:10   And the general notion of writing things on a screen with a pen. I like all those things. [TS]

01:39:16   They just aren't things that I need to do. [TS]

01:39:20   But I'm very positive on all of those things for people who use pens or who like to write or let's take notes [TS]

01:39:27   or who had to draw that all sounds awesome for those people. However I'm a computer geek. In the you know. [TS]

01:39:34   Old school sense of computer geek them. [TS]

01:39:36   Where I mostly just need a keyboard mouse and a big screen the big powerful computer so it's not really for me. [TS]

01:39:41   However. You know. Good on them for people who actually want to use it. [TS]

01:39:45   You know if if this ever does I'll go always down to an iphone six size device. [TS]

01:39:49   You would get a little stylus [TS]

01:39:50   and scratch things out on it if only because some of them make like some of the bring out draw something again [TS]

01:39:55   and people would forget that it previously existed like wow try this great new game to draw pictures to gel [TS]

01:39:59   or it's really fun. Sure. Yeah I mean look at it this. This was available even for. [TS]

01:40:04   You know even as soon as it comes to and I've had sizes. That I want to own. I'll probably buy one. [TS]

01:40:11   I'll probably buy whatever. You know if like. If next years i Pad Air. Supports the pencil. [TS]

01:40:17   Then I'll probably get one of those I just [TS]

01:40:19   or you know if there's some really compelling reason for me to get the i Pad Pro. [TS]

01:40:24   I will get it like I talked before like I love to make a podcast editor and. [TS]

01:40:29   You know if I'm going to do that make you know. On the i Pad Pro is certainly worth investigating. [TS]

01:40:34   However I'm not doing that right now I'm I'm doing other things [TS]

01:40:37   and I don't plan to that it to that any time soon I'm you know by the time I would get the probably next year I get to [TS]

01:40:42   get the second one. [TS]

01:40:43   I'll also I'm worried with the current one that you know we have into this in last week's show that forced touch on the [TS]

01:40:51   i Phone is going to be so interesting and so compelling as a shortcut mechanism that. [TS]

01:40:56   It's going to be weird getting use that on the phone in the not having it yet on the i Pads. [TS]

01:41:01   So I would rather wait if I'm going to spend over a thousand dollars on a brand new really high [TS]

01:41:06   and i Pad that I don't really need right now. [TS]

01:41:09   I would rather wait until next year to see if maybe that's forced auction. But we'll see. I think you mean three D. [TS]

01:41:15   Touch but my story. Yeah you're right. Even Federer you screwed it up one. Yeah that's true. All right. [TS]

01:41:22   Do you think anyone's going to make any money on apps on the i Pad Pro because the friend of the show that we just [TS]

01:41:28   mentioned underscore David Smith. Tweeted a link to a company. [TS]

01:41:33   I don't recall their name but the people who make Scotch which apparently is a very popular app. [TS]

01:41:38   They are basically saying no freakin way we're going to touch the i Pad Pro cause we can't make any money on it that [TS]

01:41:44   posts. [TS]

01:41:45   Kind of struck me the wrong way because we all know there are problems with the App Store [TS]

01:41:49   and there are problems with the companies that have difficulty finding a way to make money [TS]

01:41:53   and the price pressure like we talk lacings a million times. But I think one of the least convincing. [TS]

01:42:00   At least the missing because Apple sketching out Photoshop I guess I want to leave committing as you can do is say this [TS]

01:42:04   entirely new thing. Like an Apple tablet with with a pencil which is not existed before. We are writing off. [TS]

01:42:11   Because we assume it will be exactly like all of the other markets and they're probably right. [TS]

01:42:15   Like I'm not saying the wrong [TS]

01:42:16   or anything like that it's just there are many reasons why it makes sense for them not to make the app. [TS]

01:42:22   Maybe they don't have you know they have not developers not i OS developers you know they can sell knockouts are more [TS]

01:42:27   like all the things we've talked about over there are but the idea that it is inconceivable. [TS]

01:42:32   And they get there just entirely sure I guess they just days there are the things that we can't risk. [TS]

01:42:35   We think that there's not a market for a sustainable market for us for. I Pad problem. [TS]

01:42:40   And then we think that because we've judge there not to be a sustainable market for these applications on the previous [TS]

01:42:45   i Pad on the phones on volleyball so and so forth but it reads kind of like you know. [TS]

01:42:51   We understand the chicken egg situation you go first and you go first with a hard when we say yeah. [TS]

01:42:57   I don't think so like someone is going to go for a someone's going to try to make a go of it here maybe the they're the [TS]

01:43:01   suckers and they're going to all go out of business and find out they can't make money on a platform [TS]

01:43:05   but it's not particularly convincing to me for one company to say because there are bunch of good reasons for us not to [TS]

01:43:13   make. So the i Pad Pro. [TS]

01:43:15   It is a condemnation of the entire concept of there being a supportable pro application space I think. [TS]

01:43:20   If the i Pad Pro has the best chance maybe Apple T.V. So tied with that. The best chance to break through. [TS]

01:43:27   The thing that has caused the i OS pricing my [TS]

01:43:30   and business model to get pulled down so much because you can sell all the still think they're one. [TS]

01:43:36   You can sell more expensive things to professionals are that's where your was looking for its life if someone needs a [TS]

01:43:41   mac out to do their job [TS]

01:43:42   and they make a lot of money at their job they will give you one hundred dollars for the zap of the use of their job. [TS]

01:43:47   They will just do it even just for musicians to sell music applications even a few people don't make money doing as [TS]

01:43:52   they love music. [TS]

01:43:54   They'll give you fifty bucks for a thing that lets them do something with their band [TS]

01:43:57   and you know like that will definitely happen. Much less so than trying to sell somebody like a little gamer. [TS]

01:44:04   You know something more trivial or general interest right so perhaps you go to the second thing. [TS]

01:44:10   This is there have had for a while. I think it's still kind of true. [TS]

01:44:15   The bigger the screen the more money you can charge because bigger equals more money. [TS]

01:44:19   I know that makes no sense logically. But in my experience I've seen. [TS]

01:44:24   It seems to me that people can be more convinced to see maybe it's just a quince [TS]

01:44:30   and maybe it's not actually causation It's just like it so just so happens the computers have bigger screens [TS]

01:44:35   and people use computers the jobs involved a lot but like getting out as I'm thinking. Can you sell an Apple T.V. [TS]

01:44:41   Yet for more money because it's bigger setting aside. Things like video content where that's just you know you're not. [TS]

01:44:48   It's not the screen as big as that you're buying video I can buy access to H.B.O. [TS]

01:44:52   I'm buying access to Major League Baseball right ever. Setting that aside. [TS]

01:44:56   Can you charge more money because the screen is bigger [TS]

01:44:59   or is it because apps that run on a bigger screen can have more features [TS]

01:45:02   and people are going to pay for those features I don't know what the connection is but anyway. [TS]

01:45:06   I am not ready to retire early right all. Both the i Pad Pro in the Apple T.V. As. [TS]

01:45:12   Platforms where it is just as difficult to sell application. For more than a couple bucks. As it is on i OS. Well. [TS]

01:45:21   The big thing is going to be volume. It's. Will the i Pad Pro sell enough volume that. [TS]

01:45:29   It'll be worth developing high quality as for it. Because if there is if it doesn't achieve. Really high volumes. [TS]

01:45:36   And you know. High volumes for an i Pad are still very low volumes for an i Phone But let's let's just say like. [TS]

01:45:42   You know if it doesn't sell a lot. If. If a lot of these things don't sell by i Pad standards. [TS]

01:45:48   It's going to be very hard for most companies justify developing for it just on that basis alone. [TS]

01:45:53   Before you even get to price. [TS]

01:45:54   I'm doing volume works against the because the high volumes as part of the reasons why there's such downward price [TS]

01:45:58   pressure because if you sell to almost everybody. [TS]

01:46:01   Most people don't want to pay for software period but if you're selling a pro app. You don't need. Like you know. [TS]

01:46:07   There are very few pros how many people who are going to buy a fifty dollar music app are there out there like it for [TS]

01:46:13   for drawing obligations and i Pad Pro It's still chicken egg someone has to make this offer someone has to go first. [TS]

01:46:17   Apple has made the hardware and their hopes on makes the software [TS]

01:46:20   but there's how many professional artists are there in the world. [TS]

01:46:24   How many people who use a stylus to do their daily work. [TS]

01:46:27   Drawing and designing things are there in the world not a lot like. I think volume. [TS]

01:46:33   That's a you know not the you can't sell like ten thousand on the you can't I think you probably even more than [TS]

01:46:37   Microsoft Surface numbers [TS]

01:46:38   but you don't need i have i Phones that number so I don't know what the middle is they're like. [TS]

01:46:43   If it just sells and merely normal i Pad volumes is that too few. But if it sells in merely normal i Pad volumes. [TS]

01:46:50   Couldn't they sell. You know one to every design of the entire world and still have tons left over. It's a. [TS]

01:46:58   It's conceivable I think that it could sell. I mean just look at the mac. [TS]

01:47:01   The MAC sells invention the small volumes compared to the i Phone. [TS]

01:47:04   And yet it has it is a sustainable platform for some companies to sell. [TS]

01:47:09   Programs that people use to do their jobs on their Macs [TS]

01:47:12   and they pay astronomical amounts of money for them by the standards of Iowa South occasions like twenty whole dollars [TS]

01:47:19   for an application it's unheard of. Well that's true however. Max also have the advantage of an installed base already. [TS]

01:47:27   Where they don't sell as many units as before. However if you. [TS]

01:47:33   If you want to really you know let's suppose Apple made a new mac. And you know with some interesting. [TS]

01:47:38   You know new screen. Shape or something. You know. And you made an app that worked well in that. [TS]

01:47:44   Well there's also the millions [TS]

01:47:46   and millions of other Macs that already exist in the world that can probably also run that app. [TS]

01:47:50   So the sales volumes of self are a little bit of a of a bad example here. [TS]

01:47:56   Also I would argue that there's a lot more people who quote get their work done on a mac than i Pad in these kind of [TS]

01:48:05   like content creation or professional kind of fields. That's. I don't know that offhand. [TS]

01:48:09   However that sounds very likely if I had a guess now. You know on the i Pad Pro to make a really good i Pad Pro at P.T. [TS]

01:48:18   You really use that expansive screen space very well. And also it would be nice if it worked well with the pencil. [TS]

01:48:25   I think that's going to be a huge differentiator because again. [TS]

01:48:29   I like the pencil idea I think it sounds very good and very compelling and very interesting. However again. [TS]

01:48:34   There's going to be very few of these things the market for a while so it's going to be hard just numbers wise now. [TS]

01:48:40   Assume they have healthy installed base. Assume it actually becomes reasonably possible to sell a decent number of. [TS]

01:48:48   You know thirty dollars or whatever apps on a thing. [TS]

01:48:52   Then the question is can you actually build and sustain a business with the app stores. [TS]

01:48:58   Pricing and trial of of great situation and that is another question. You know. [TS]

01:49:04   We've had we've had i Pads for five years now. [TS]

01:49:08   Five and a half years now and I know a lot of companies have struggled to bring that kind of business to the i Pad. [TS]

01:49:15   It's hard enough on the i Phone where you have tons of value to make up for it. It's even harder on the i Pad. So how. [TS]

01:49:23   What do you think like I don't think the i Pad Pro alone. Can solve that problem. [TS]

01:49:29   It can solve the first problem of hail to get a bunch of people buy these things. You know because they're really good. [TS]

01:49:33   But how do you solve the second problem there. [TS]

01:49:36   You know if you're Apple like how do you solve the App Store pricing problem [TS]

01:49:39   or do you not think that's enough the problem the matter. [TS]

01:49:43   You know I don't know what the right answer is I do know that from the show been Thompson wrote a really good piece [TS]

01:49:49   about the Apple platforms becoming platforms rather than products and. I didn't get a chance to read it thoroughly. [TS]

01:49:58   So I now I'm assigning myself some homework to do so but will put a link in the chat for both myself [TS]

01:50:03   and for for the listeners. I think that. I think that. [TS]

01:50:07   From what I did get to read of it he made some really really great points. [TS]

01:50:11   And that you know Apple seems to think that they can solve these problems by just creating new products [TS]

01:50:16   and that's not the case just like you said Mark. Yeah. [TS]

01:50:23   The reason i Pad pro's interesting is because it's find new product with different features that. [TS]

01:50:27   Like it changes a little bit of the equation. Like if you're going to sell a hundred dollar app for designers. [TS]

01:50:33   For the i Pad. Without a stylus good luck. [TS]

01:50:35   Like if you're in one of my muscles just swipe at us with my finger big smile she bawled rubber hot dog [TS]

01:50:40   or something that's nonsense on starter. So certainly things are more possible. They. [TS]

01:50:45   This post from the sketches honors our sketch developers the so definitive It's like apps on AI as a quote absent I [TS]

01:50:52   said I was sell for on a sustainably low prices due to the lack of trials like they have there just flat out conclusion. [TS]

01:50:58   They sell for us is that the presence of family law and the reason is no trial. And we all agree that like you know. [TS]

01:51:05   Based on the model that we know worked on the mac. [TS]

01:51:08   Upgrade pricing trials for very expensive applications you can figure out if you like and so on and so forth. [TS]

01:51:13   That is a system that has already existed on the mac. The did work. Apple's contention. [TS]

01:51:19   Implicit contention with i OS has been. We can get rid of all the bad sides of that system. While you know. [TS]

01:51:28   And make up for it by just being better in so many other ways make up for an invaluable make up for it in an easier [TS]

01:51:35   develop platform make up for a better user experience and more people buy a rap song that you know. [TS]

01:51:39   Make up for it because people can just tap that finger on a piece of glass and buy rap really usually [TS]

01:51:43   and will take care of the payments like and. It's enough to be. [TS]

01:51:47   You know probably the most successful application platform ever created because it's so easy to buy Apple cation is far [TS]

01:51:53   far far more people put apps on their phones than ever put apps on their computers. You know. [TS]

01:51:58   Volume wise like it's just so easy to get out like we talk to others before. There are lots of upside. [TS]

01:52:03   But once you get into the realm of professional applications applications that cost a lot of money to develop [TS]

01:52:09   applications that are always going to sell in smaller volumes they're not angry birds that you know there's only. [TS]

01:52:14   There's only seven hundred thousand people in the entire United States who even need this application [TS]

01:52:18   and I need to sell to five percent of them. [TS]

01:52:21   And that's my entire user base are going to charge each one of them a thousand dollars. [TS]

01:52:25   And I can't charge each one of them a thousand dollars every single year. [TS]

01:52:28   I have to charge them a thousand dollars once and then two hundred dollars every year or two when I make major updates. [TS]

01:52:33   And if I can't do that. It doesn't work for me and pick whatever. Numbers you want the applications like. [TS]

01:52:38   I'm thinking back to the good old days of the I am rich application. In some ways. [TS]

01:52:44   That's going to have a kind of nostalgia for the idea that that's how high the pricing would go. [TS]

01:52:49   I know there are some high priced out locations and I was for a very very narrowly defined field [TS]

01:52:54   but it's just this big gulf. Like in the middle between free or almost free things. [TS]

01:53:01   And you know and things that are just really expensive are being sold to companies that used to be on the Mac. [TS]

01:53:08   There was and still kind of is a healthy place for applications that cost. Tens or hundreds of dollars that. [TS]

01:53:16   Let people do their jobs better. And that the developers. Support that application an ongoing basis. [TS]

01:53:23   Year after year after year just working on the application making a better porting its new platforms. [TS]

01:53:28   Knowing that their user base doesn't need to grow by leaps [TS]

01:53:31   and bounds of able to continue to pay them a little bit of money each year for the new version of the whatever because [TS]

01:53:35   it helps them get their job done. So I sympathize with the sketch people but I really hope. I really help someone. [TS]

01:53:43   Some poor sucker I guess. Runs the experiment and says well you know. [TS]

01:53:48   Can I make a business selling professional level applications for double digit or triple digit prices on the i Pad Pro. [TS]

01:53:56   Not just like you get an Apple design award I see is that you don't receive [TS]

01:54:00   but five years from now still be selling the. [TS]

01:54:02   The latest version of that application and have an actual company that runs with. [TS]

01:54:06   Maybe more than Wanted to people selling out to people really use. [TS]

01:54:10   That's what I think Apple should be bragging about they would go up there [TS]

01:54:12   and they brag about look at all these applications we have. And look at this once beautiful and and. [TS]

01:54:18   You all of this opera whatever but where are there are success stories like you know you know dhobi Photoshop or B.B. [TS]

01:54:24   Edit for crying out loud or any applications like. This isn't just a flash in the pan. [TS]

01:54:29   Popular application for a company that got bought by Facebook or Google or went out of business [TS]

01:54:33   or got venture funding or whatever but is actually a sustainable business. [TS]

01:54:36   And you know and then that they have things like I'm in a group at the very least. [TS]

01:54:40   And I west they have like Well companies that can subsidize things like Microsoft and Apple itself [TS]

01:54:45   and to some degree Adobe. [TS]

01:54:47   And then a bunch of other want to present shops to get really rich selling a game that sells to millions of people [TS]

01:54:52   which is great Those games are great and everything. More power to them. [TS]

01:54:56   But there's a dead spot in the middle for applications that could sell to a lot of people. [TS]

01:55:01   But are forced to sell for two dollars. [TS]

01:55:04   Because of the real or imagined pressure to price that low and the platform is worse for all for it and. [TS]

01:55:13   I think users are a software that's what setting aside developers because developers can always do something else like [TS]

01:55:18   a different application do you know developers are employable there but they'll be fine right. [TS]

01:55:22   It's just most disappointing for Apple and for users because users want better applications [TS]

01:55:26   and I think sort of Apple I think they would be able to brag more convincingly about the things that happen on their [TS]

01:55:31   platform. If it wasn't a new one every year right. [TS]

01:55:36   So we have at least by the way the clock reads on the Sky call we have had two hours of follow up so I think we're [TS]

01:55:42   pretty much tapped out. Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week. Squarespace. Lynda dot com and automatic. [TS]

01:55:49   And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [TS]

01:56:01   The was accidental. John didn't feel any team are going to be seen with him. [TS]

01:56:09   Because it was that little dental was accidental. And you today. And if you're trying to build. [TS]

01:56:25   And he was no sense that that's keep lists and the N.T. Marco are the men. Let's take the risk you. [TS]

01:56:54   So Marco did anything happen today. Barely. It almost happen tomorrow. For enough so you have a new thing. Yeah. [TS]

01:57:04   Launch a new app. It's called Peace. It's an I.R.S. Non-content blocker. And the big deal about it is. [TS]

01:57:11   So it's an addon tracker blocker but the big deal about it is that I actually license. The database from Go story. [TS]

01:57:17   So this is powered by GO story. Which is pretty cool I think I think it's I think it's the best database out there. [TS]

01:57:23   Honestly I tried a lot of them. And really a lot over the summer. And I found them to be the best. So I went to them. [TS]

01:57:32   I asked of avian treated and licensing it for a simple. Revenue share deal and they actually said Yes it's amazing. [TS]

01:57:43   Yes So we worked it out. And they're fun to work with and the Easy. [TS]

01:57:47   Looks as you know they're big companies that was kind of a surprise for me. And yeah. Great all August of. [TS]

01:57:53   If you couldn't have licenses a race would you have made the app anyway. [TS]

01:57:57   I had other databases you know in various stages of testing throughout the summer and. [TS]

01:58:02   I had a really hard time finding one that. That was really truly good. [TS]

01:58:07   And not just some like total mammoth thing like massive number of rules massive you know database size [TS]

01:58:15   and complexity and everything because the bigger you make the rules that the worse. It impacts performance and. [TS]

01:58:22   It is a pretty fast system. And you can do quite a lot of rules and have it not slow down too bad but you know. [TS]

01:58:30   You do change things like like how. [TS]

01:58:33   When you make a change the rules you have to send the system all of your rules again. [TS]

01:58:37   So if you like add a white list and site. You to send all of your rules back to the system again. [TS]

01:58:41   And that actually takes. With my rule set on an i Phone six which is the grocery database. [TS]

01:58:47   That takes like two and a half seconds to do it by the way you can tell how long it takes is if you use the the. [TS]

01:58:53   The open unrestricted extension. The way that works. [TS]

01:58:58   Is it literally just sends an empty rule set open day so far if you controller. [TS]

01:59:03   And then when the Safari view controller closes it renewables the regular rule set. [TS]

01:59:07   And so you can tell when one is forgiven for close it says restoring peace about thought for a few seconds [TS]

01:59:13   and that screen goes away. That is how long it takes to reload the content blocker rules. [TS]

01:59:18   That is what that is waiting for. And so if you. If you test or. If you do a larger database. [TS]

01:59:22   Most of it the big host files the easy list all these. All the different sources of your ad log format or hosts format. [TS]

01:59:31   Block Lists. If you do those. [TS]

01:59:34   You tend to get like ten thousand entries for a good one [TS]

01:59:36   and mine is two thousand so it literally it loads for the most part pretty much five times more more quickly [TS]

01:59:43   and then there is some. [TS]

01:59:44   You know some per page cost as well [TS]

01:59:46   and even the cost might be small it is still a per page cost to evaluate all those rules. [TS]

01:59:50   You know try to do smart things like building trees and you know building. [TS]

01:59:53   Fast parsers and everything but it's still you know the fewer rules. The faster it is so. [TS]

01:59:59   I also found with the other rule sets. [TS]

02:00:02   Had more compatibility problems like certain sites like there's there's a tracker I think it's called Adobe I'm not [TS]

02:00:08   sure I don't know much about the stuff about the specifics of these things but in the enterprise. Exactly. [TS]

02:00:13   It's also used on Apple site. And if you. If you don't. If you allow for other if you block. [TS]

02:00:19   Adobe on that you're on Apple developer site. The site doesn't work. [TS]

02:00:25   It's like you can't do provisioning profile of stuff like that like. [TS]

02:00:28   It doesn't work because certain sites will actually use various events triggered by these analytics packages to trigger [TS]

02:00:35   page functionality. So if you disable some of these things. Pages actually stop working right. And go story. Does. [TS]

02:00:43   You know. [TS]

02:00:43   Compatibility work they're big enough company they have the resources to to both hear about these things and does [TS]

02:00:48   and to make exceptions of their their databases pretty sophisticated like you know these rules should be should be [TS]

02:00:53   exempted on these domains otherwise things break. You know stuff like that. [TS]

02:00:57   So they so their data was just it was better for me it was just better I did try. One of my. [TS]

02:01:04   One of my crazy ideas which I ran for about two weeks. Was to just block. All third party javascript. Just all of it. [TS]

02:01:14   And I found I had to already make a few little exceptions even just to make that work. [TS]

02:01:18   Like one of the biggest ones was Squarespace sites. They were just break like simple things like links and images and. [TS]

02:01:25   You know Squarespace host all of its scripts on like a static square space CD [TS]

02:01:28   and domain which you consider third party if you look at our pigs template because we have our own domain. [TS]

02:01:32   So any Squarespace site hosted on some domain name. Would break without the certain exemptions made on Google as like J. [TS]

02:01:38   Query hosting and tons of people use that so you can't block all third party because just lots of the whole arc. [TS]

02:01:44   Exactly and I even found like. Like I was like so many sites that you wouldn't think like like out like. [TS]

02:01:49   It was when I was drunk when I started my camera and B.H. Their site broke. Like the whole B.N. [TS]

02:01:54   Excite you just can't view any product pagan I us. With that enabled. [TS]

02:01:58   Since there were just there were so many things that broke. With simpler rules like that and then the bigger rule sets. [TS]

02:02:06   Worse. We're primarily focused on like hiding ads on P.C.'s and without regard to breakage is really. [TS]

02:02:15   So they had a lot of those issues with breakage is they also just had these giant rule sets that were full of like you [TS]

02:02:21   know. Five thousand entries for Russian porn sites and do I really need that to I really need to waste. [TS]

02:02:26   Thousands of entries on things like that in to block those ads for the X. Ten camera. Allow. [TS]

02:02:33   I'm sure you saw that on Total Gym a new site. So. So yeah I mean. [TS]

02:02:38   I tried lots of other databases [TS]

02:02:40   and rule sets I inquired about about licensing because a lot of these things like for instance. [TS]

02:02:46   I saw a couple of couple of the browser blockers. If you're free and open source. [TS]

02:02:51   You could include a lot more host names and block list sources than if you're a commercial product. [TS]

02:02:57   If you're a commercial app on i OS. [TS]

02:03:00   There's a lot of these list that you're not allowed to use by their license agreement. I did go to some of them. [TS]

02:03:05   Approach them for licensing. Most of them didn't respond some of them said no. Some of them said yes for X. [TS]

02:03:11   Dollars a year. But I never found any that were both usable. And were actually good enough. [TS]

02:03:18   If that makes sense except Go story. And I went That's why I went there I did not think they would say yes. [TS]

02:03:23   I figured their big company they have these plugins they don't want to do their own thing. [TS]

02:03:28   Turns out they don't want to do their own thing [TS]

02:03:29   and I was because the concept like are so limited they can't do their core business function. [TS]

02:03:33   So they didn't really have anything ready for us nine. And I was. And I had an app that needed a database. [TS]

02:03:39   And they had a database need a nap. So there you go. That's pretty awesome. Yeah it really worked out very well. [TS]

02:03:47   To channel some friends of ours you know I've been testing it for a couple of weeks now and it is pretty darn good and. [TS]

02:03:53   It's funny because I had. I've been noticing that. [TS]

02:04:00   Especially at home when I'm doing more browsing for me rather than you know looking up things for work. [TS]

02:04:06   I felt like my internet had been getting slower lately and I couldn't put my finger on what it was or why it was. [TS]

02:04:13   And between installing go straight on my mac and installing peace on my US devices. Suddenly. [TS]

02:04:19   Things seem snappier again and there's very well could be that this is ALL my head. [TS]

02:04:25   But I feel like having these content blockers. Has really made things feel. [TS]

02:04:32   Snappy like they did just a year or two ago. And so whatever content blocker you choose to run. [TS]

02:04:38   Whether it's peace or something else. [TS]

02:04:40   I strongly encourage you to to run one because it really does make your your browsing experience that much better [TS]

02:04:46   especially if you're on a limited data plan [TS]

02:04:49   and you don't want to have to pull down all that's purple's information that really doesn't help you read what you're [TS]

02:04:54   trying to read so do you going to do you have more on this topic I think will save for the next over the do want to [TS]

02:05:00   talk more about things that Marco had a post today about peace but also kind of about the larger issue of advocating [TS]

02:05:07   and tracking blocking all that stuff. [TS]

02:05:10   And of course he had profit previously about that is wealthy should read those see already has your homework. [TS]

02:05:14   Was an earth. Next week we'll probably talk more about at blocking a lot of stuff but in the meantime. [TS]

02:05:21   I'm mostly upset that phoneme i Pad three has been left behind because none of the content bloggers honest. [TS]

02:05:28   They can't can't because of a that what it was a requirement a seven sixty four bit sixty four bit [TS]

02:05:34   and is it just for content block receives far better than every submission of the research departments. Its content. [TS]

02:05:39   The content blocker backend is sixty four bit only. OK So that's the current. Yeah. [TS]

02:05:45   What is the sixty four but there are finally accepting sixty four bit only apps right [TS]

02:05:49   but you can't you don't have to submit that I just be speaking. Yep that's right. Anyway. [TS]

02:05:54   Content blockers are all things for a bit if you have an i Pad three like me you're sad. But it's kind of a bummer. [TS]

02:05:59   And I really do need to you know I pet. My Pad three is really showing its age now like. [TS]

02:06:06   When I I still do manual updates because I'm a nerd I want to see what updated and stuff. [TS]

02:06:11   So when I go to the App Store updates tab and it's like five things need to be updated I had update all. [TS]

02:06:16   And then I had the home button and try to go to another app I don't know why even bother. [TS]

02:06:20   Because I've had it going to a parallel while doing all those updates in the background. [TS]

02:06:24   You know I'm just trying to browse a web page just everything is slow and creaky so yeah. [TS]

02:06:29   I'm you know i Pad But you know I just installed a piece for and. [TS]

02:06:34   We'll talk more about content bloggers next week but I'm in favor of them. Short version. [TS]