The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I was working on some way before the show started in a pause for the shower [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► now I'm like and that annoying mode where I am thinking about that thing I [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► was working on and not thinking about what I should be thinking about now when [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► you say pause [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Jason cipher everyone will like it was you don't like kiss her fingers and plan [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► to the sky and our something reference in cases of the reference kidder's [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► totally down then that's among other things he could call it a sports bar [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► reference I couldn't tell you which sport you're talking about [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► it's every sport Marco every single sport in the Grammys and the Oscars [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► everything you referenced africa is a reference to life a while back this is [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► easily two or three months ago I was fooling around and tried to teach myself [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► react not react native just straight-up react and wrote a show by in react it is [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► that show but heightened are on the web if you'd like to see it probably died in [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► a terrible awful fire but it is presently working which is exciting now [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► John I assume you're going to have an opinion on the different placement and [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► coloring of the upvote arrows on the show regular show but everything was not [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► correctly aligned along the centerline of the page so I to close the window [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► also you know if any web application framework should have an exclamation [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► point at the end of its name and the grand jurors netanyahu its react should [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► be react so it's a hundred and sixty five lines thats including white blank [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► spaces comments etc on the reactor version it is a hundred and eighty on D [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Street jQuery version so I saved 15 lines that's where three running the [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► entire thing yet totally I didn't teach myself react in the funny thing is I'm [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► looking at this code [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► I have no idea what's happening anymore cuz it was like two months ago and have [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► not touched it since no one of us has to play at new things on a regular basis [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► that's only not meet you too old farts definitely not me john has a chance [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► maybe due to any chance I get new versions of Perl [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► things exciting new versions of jQuery of it leaving behind I didn't realize [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► that was the thing now playing the best is like you know so forth i United above [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► but even in ie9 you have to convince ie to pretend that it's a good browser but [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► I like forcing you know like a meta tag for like a tourney make sure edge mode [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► is enabled the first time I had a lot of this thing works in IE 9 complain about [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► how I don't be stupid edge mode please and then OK yet now anyway [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► web fun don't have to be testing in edge that is it different enough that I'd [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► need to care or not it's like a demo tonight I'm not talking about the actual [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► like browser that design is i tender lovin is that whatever it is I i just [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► everybody here I i have the iPhone a long long time and I don't know if I [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► thought but anyway the path of my career has been used [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► I used to be a thorn in our side just deal with it because everybody had it [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► and eventually we came to this place where we can develop do our web [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► application development for a set of modern browsers and then only the very [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► very end see now what kind of disaster is this and the various versions of IE [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► that we support and sort of like spackle over them and try to make it better in [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► those used to be the reverse yet to make it work and I in everything and then you [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► could see if there were some nice things you can do in the modern browsers now [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► up everything else from Firefox or Safari or dispose of an opera and then [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► at the very end when you're done you're happy with its like right now I'm elated [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► i GTG just like his upper still get no I don't remember I remember that sounds [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► vaguely familiar to me but I have never had a job where I have had to support [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► opera ever tell nobody ever has [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► maybe some of the people who work with the app you know the company that makes [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the Opera Web site [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► do you think even they use Opera yeah we're going to get so little email yep [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► yep but all three devout users that also happen to listen to this showing me very [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► upset extremely good thing about that feedback and we should probably do some [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► follow-up and we have some follow-up and I would blame the son John but this is [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► not John's fault I have actually added a bit of follow-up and I'd like to start [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► with the debt at to Casey guy now I know I'm sorry Marco Island its reference to [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► shakespeare I believe Julius Caesar I don't think it's shakespeare I think [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► it's Julius Caesar [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► I think that thing that was most likely true that most likely said something to [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► that effect possibly fine fine everyone's a critic right so David ass [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► road in and he wanted to tell us that the TrackPoint mouse which we discussed [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► a lot last episode has been scientifically proven by IBM to be more [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► accurate than a trackpad so David s rights and late nineties and by the end [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► user systems economics research group for short time the group that all sorts [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► of user interface research including designing and testing new types of [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► keyboards and pointing devices but they're also known for having invented [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► the checkpoints of course the spread on the delights of tests on the economics [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► of the TrackPoint there's also very interesting as a record people faster [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► more accurate meeting using a TrackPoint compared with the trackpad I believe the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► difference too small for people who are novices in both devices but they also [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► found that people got much better with some experience on the checkpoint in [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that week of experience made a big difference [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► blah blah blah blah blah because the accuracy differences were small for [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► novices and because the checkpoint interface was a little easier to figure [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► out initially people actually tend to like the track pants more at first or [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► for example an easy computer in the store and then he has provided a link to [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► Microsoft of all places that has what appears to be a scan of this research [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► paper so apparently as it has been scientifically proven that track points [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► are better if you believe idea well also like [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► IBM the maker of track points did one study that proved that track points were [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► slightly better than the track pads of nineteen nineties you know and that's [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► like trackpad when they first came out really were terrible and they they [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► really did get a lot better in the early two thousands and you know throughout [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► the 2000 to 2010 and of oleg as mostly let's be honest as Apple made them [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► better because the PC industry's trackpad still as we said last time [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► really suck compared to anything good and usable modern track pads are with [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the exception of the four stocks way way way better than what they were probably [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► test against whereas checkpoints probably have not really changed because [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► they're just as not much change about it if they tested like a series of tests [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► are yet to involve typing and that's where the track player really shine [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► because that's a big advantage especially for people who are good [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► typist or touch typist so you don't have to relocate you consider keep your hands [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► in the same position and have ready access to cursor movement and clicking [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► buttons and typing all the same time I assume that they would do well there but [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► yet the track pads of the nineteen nineties for just this little tiny [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► things that was barely enough room to move your fingers like an engine [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► happening in like very small said trying to navigate to screen the screen door in [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► that much smaller screens are still like 15 inch laptops existed trying to move a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► cursor on a 15 inch screen by swiping your finger on a little plastic plastic [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► key to buy two square not but I would imagine that attract visitors anyway [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► everyone she's nice the end so you to beat the piss outta me because you say [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► that it's scientifically proven the bottles better here is a scientific [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► scientific study that tracked points are better and no no it's not good not well [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I mean just one study is done by the company that invented the TrackPoint so [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► there's perhaps a little bias and unlike vinyl and CDs trackpads have changed [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► since the nineteen nights by no not change since 99 salt only to perhaps get [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► worse and the knowledge of how to correctly Macedon happened to find the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► format is exactly the same the specs are you gonna think nothing has changed [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► related to CDs [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► screw you guys I'm going home that's a reference by the way in other news [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► speaking of inferior pointing devices there are so many tap to click wizards [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► in our audience who knew so many self-proclaimed tap to click here [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► everything has a Kavya right well no I'm saying like baby I i believe that they [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► they believe their Celtic tattoo clip wizards like the basis that they don't [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► they don't receive any impairment to using tap to click the way they [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► preferred do it they're never frustrated by it is not a compromise that they're [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► dealing with [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► they don't accidentally make any clicks it's just you know there they are [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► typically prisoners according to my definition of like you know we're saying [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► I was saying that I'm not one because whenever I turn on tap to click I found [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► myself inadvertently doing things I didn't intend to do and that pisses me [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► off and makes me turn that mode off these people have no problem with that [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► whatsoever to me they never make any kind of errors or do they make the air [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► as it doesn't bother them either way they're basically kept because it's the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► way they prefer to work [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► none of them expressed any sort of caveat about like well I use it all the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► time in italy enjoys being a little bit like an Obama wizard so I guess those [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► guys can start club I demand to see proof and scientific study know that [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► there are they pay our taxes because I just didn't think they were that many [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► people who basically don't have any leak is no downsides for them for using [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► tattoo again it's probably people who like learned on it you know whenever you [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► just like it when they found out that was a modem like the first day they got [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► their laptop turned it on in like that tell these that's how they've trained [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► themselves to to use that they don't have any other habits of their breaking [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► right there just this is the way they've built their habits and made it maybe [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► they actually just accept that a certain degree of unreliability is just part of [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► using a trackpad I'm going to believe that a large part of them actually don't [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► have access to all device was like thats to the the next feedback from ml whose [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► name is to capital letters [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► separated by space [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► I don't understand that you click with tap to click he put a finger down to [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► leave it then it's not a click you put a finger down and let the backup the news [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► a quick shower we used the wrong terminology in terms of like how much [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► force you applied it's basically you know there's no force sensors they said [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► there wasn't back in the day its timing based and the reason I personally I [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► certainly do clicks is all my habits around trackpad use involve don't [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► involve making sure that I don't accidentally touched the surface like [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► briefly or brush against it with some other finger whatever that leads to the [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► other trackpad setting that we didn't talk about last time which is one of [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► those at the phrasing of like ignore unintentional it's been phrased [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► differently in or unintentional taps and that one is a period in the trackpad is [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► trying to figure out what that accident what's not and it will go into this mode [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► where it's like I'm gonna ignore that looks like an accident he tried to some [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► legitimate ignores you and you become furious know except my command my [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► fingers moving all my habits are were not designed around the idea that I have [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► to be cognizant of how long my fingers in contact with the trackpad because it [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► is in contact with the trackpad to briefly that counts as a click and so [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► does not have my hands work and I have years of using trackpads without [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► tactical before I you know before being given a thing probably would certainly [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► be four ever tried to turn on so hitting the track because during the course of [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► using a trackpad my fingers briefly come in contact with the trackpad in ways [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that registers clicks but I'm not intending to quit doesn't happen all the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► time but it happened enough that I find the right because it it's like a future [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► if you need to do a very very small fast cursor movement to move the mouse over [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► like one or two pixels on the screen it is very easy for that to be [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► misinterpreted because you know the way differentiates is not just how quick the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► the tap is but how much it has moved during that during the touchdown time [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► spent because obviously if you mean to tap 22 click then it's going to be [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► effectively unmoving but of course is going to be a very small amount of [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► movement a lot of time because of imprecision and the way people work [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► so it has to determine in software the difference between eight and intentional [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► small quick movement of the cursor and a tap to click and and that is not a [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► perfect science and it never will be [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► there's always gonna be some little you know flex margin of error there where [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► it's gonna get it wrong sometimes and so if you're doing certain things that [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► require small fast movements you will probably hit this problem more often [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► than if you're not doing that kind of movement and they have no choice but to [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► put that in they can't make you like they can't demand the you precisely put [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► your finger down and precisely lifted up without moving it because that would [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► mean it would become very difficult they just have to build in that margin to [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► make it comfortable to actually use tap to click but that's a margin is what [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► makes you accidentally activated and I did the reason you know control freaks [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► like me or so [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► against have to click we have this error rate in be there is potentially very [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► likely have dialing buttons down boxes the buns and then the buttons are close [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► to each other if you were to move the cursor over from one to the other it's [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► not very far and it actually registered user click the date cancer ok when you [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► want to the office that could be a destructive operation like theirs but [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► you behaving dollar bonds with mouse cursor anyway but yeah bad click in the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► wrong place at the wrong time even if it's just accidentally having a bag like [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► that you didn't realize the input focus into a window into the window you didn't [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► think you were typing in and goes wrong when a situation like data loss wrong [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► window stuff I just don't like it [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► alright then the final verdict I don't like it has reached the pond have to say [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► he was giving a defensive trackballs the idea behind this did you do to old age [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► or any other sort of motor problems sometimes it's difficult to i've seen [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► people over this problem in real life to position the cursor over something and [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► click without moving the cursor again and when the button and the thing that [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► moves are separate like there and trackball you move the ball you moving [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► the cursor is totally off the ball then you can press the button at your leisure [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► use the funds are very large and their separate from the ball and you can be [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► sure that where you're cooking is where the cursor is so it's better for people [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► with motor impairments trackpad assembly when they have the button on it but [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► beyond the physical button that's gone now and now I can tell you move the [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► cursor on the trackpad get where you want then you can take your hand off and [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► go vertically down and click can be sure you know but a trackball two separate [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► but in a separate ball does have that advantage it's the old next right so I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► asked at the end of the last episode toward the end of the last episode hey [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► what's the deal with apples and I had asked kind of without having done any [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► research on it led Wednesday who's a retail employee weighed in on this and [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► also provided the official link which will put in the show notes I'm retail [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► employee AT&T is the only carrier carrier that locks the same Verizon [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► opted out of Apple same in its entirety and you can swap Sims so if you're going [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► to get Verizon service you have a completely segregated Verizon sim and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► then if you want to use the Apple sam you can use t-mobile and Sprint and AT&T [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► but the moment you engage AT&T that same gets lot so she continues when ATT [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► selected as the carrier a pop-up warns you but you can always purchase an [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► additional Apple sim for $5 which I didn't know and that's really cool [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► additionally a Verizon sim is free at her store anyway you just have to ask [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► for it all of that was extremely useful information I was very glad that lady [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► Wednesday reported in and like we said well we'll put a link to the official [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► documentation in the show notes about this does the set a new record for the [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► cheapest thing you can buy an Apple store was gonna say it's cheaper than [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► iPod Socks and the the $10 MagSafe adapter I just bought another one of [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► those although if we're gonna go by volume or weight it may still be more [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► expensive [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that's true these things are not heavy by any means but there a lot heavier [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► than 190 what ever since I was getting backwards can you fold the five-dollar [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► bill to be smaller than a semi don't think you can I don't think so not these [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► new Sims at least but anyway that was extremely useful feedback in there were [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► some of the people that wrote in as well and so thank you to everyone who who [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► provided some of that from that information but it sounds like you know [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► obviously that the easiest answer which I dunno why didn't even think of this [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► nature may remind me in the chatroom just use the same darn seems like why [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► not just do that they just completely escaped me but anyway but if I want to [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► use my existing Sims I can use I can potentially get to Apple seems 14 1881 [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► for t-mobile and Verizon same as well for it looks like maybe five extra [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► dollars which is a pretty pretty slick setup moving on we got some feedback [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► about domestic carriers one by Chris denials he said as a genius the number [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► of iPhone users IC for cellular issues are mostly sprint and then t-mobile and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► Verizon and last AT&T meaning that AT&T was the best of all this is from three [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► different markets he said the Bay Area Seattle and Denver and then we got some [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► really want feedback from someone who I believe wanted to remain anonymous but [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► when the same signal strength on the air yeah one of the ones that a lot of [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► people brought up for asking how you get a good signal inside moscow me or [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► whatever they have indoor [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► antennas that are just the people inside the building and so you're competing [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► with only the people inside the building instead of everybody out in San [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► Francisco and the antenna is really close to you and the president just [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► email about spectrum's stock has some tips for like switching to 3G whatever [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► else is on 4G because sometimes you just can't get the attention like you are you [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► can receive the signal plenty strong like a stadium or something but your [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► send signals bombarded by is interfering with everyone else's sensational so if [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► you switch to 3G even better experience that was a good letter but it was also [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► very long and probably doesn't really fit into fall under the next section of [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► follow-up periods all people telling us about why carriers might have changed [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the way you buy phones as opposed to subsidize on model where you pay a [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► certain amount for a phone [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the carrier pays Apple the rest of the price of the phone and you pay a monthly [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► fee to pay back [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► subsidy and then some going with a model where there is no subsidy and basically [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► prices on the spread out over the course of your bills I'm so Benjamin glickman's [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► got the first year here [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► well first I think something else maybe someone moved it the first area is Derek [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Derek btw [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► establish right is the big thing we're missing is that the up-front costs for a [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► big fancy expensive phone is $0 that it's not like you to be able to get the [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► top of the line iPhone for $200 and then a movie and now I i'm going to realize [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► the full giant cost the iPhone is actually like 700 $100 it's now that [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that the cost of the phone is $0 because they just take whatever the cost of the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► phone is divided by 12 or 24 and add that to your bill and so it seems like [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the customer's perspective has the advantage of my god you know everything [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► is a free phone now even though you're paying exact same money or possibly more [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► spread out into your various bills [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► theories that this will increase of great frequency because you get the same [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► monthly payment and I mean it's good kinda goes against the market was saying [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► was like these these things are you spread out the cost of the phone over [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► multiple month will end and when it and you don't have to pay for the phone [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► anymore and so one side of the coin is over then people will just keep [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► upgrading their phone this is the parent and the other side of the console market [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► were saying people like my bill decreased my phone is still good so why [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► would I get a new phone so I don't know which one of those behaviors is going to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► win out when people start signing up these things presumably entire rest of [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► the world knows because as stated in the past shows just how a lot of the rest of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► world pension funds are ready but there are two sides that coming yeah it'll be [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► interesting to see you know whether more people now will choose the bigger [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► storage tiers based on based on this new pricing and if anything this gives Apple [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► even less of a reason to drop the 16 gig because now it's even easier for people [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to spend more money on the higher models that's really my opinion that as well [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► Jeffrey says the new plans cost significantly more for less [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► as in the carriers are going to charge you more for the similar size plan and [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► you will like you will notice a boat care because the phone price into it as [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► we all confusing if they are the rates actually going down without the subsidy [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► like if I buy my phone outright to just get it unlocked whatever and then owned [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► outright and i actually paying a lower bill after moving to the system I tried [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► to find inside an AT&T say it's very confusing and I couldn't figure it out [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► as far as I can tell I'm actually not going to be paying any less money on the [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► bill [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► you have to have a big spreadsheet and keep it up today because they change the [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► numbers all the time you get special deals pending or you're coming from you [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► just have to keep redoing the math like [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► has it ever been cheaper to buy on my phone and pay a monthly fee is it you [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► know when to cheaper if they'd still on the subsidy or if they just take the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► price of the phone divided by 12 or 24 and adhered bill what build adding it to [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► the biller adding it to bigger than it was before the tokens that you just [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► gotta do to better yourself in the bottom line is the bottom line with all [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► the stuff in the USA anyway what you can do about it you like to three choices if [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► you're lucky one of those choices are probably super crabby so relieved now [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► down to two and like the the amount of sort of unspoken collusion in these [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► industries and the huge barriers to entry mean there is very little [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► connection between the value of the service you're getting and how much [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► money you pay and so it would destroy all screwed but worrying about this is [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► academic aaron has another theory about this is primarily voted by STC it was [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► pressuring cell phone companies to get rid of their early termination fees but [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► that really high feels like if you balance your contract early and so does [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► this series the cell phone companies around this is we don't have an early [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► termination fees more what we'll do is we'll give you a fundraiser $1 [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► essentially loaning you the rest of the money for the phone that you will slowly [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► pay back over the course of your plan but if you bail early of course you have [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► to give us back the money we learned you to buy your $100 phone so instead of an [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► early termination fee it's like oh and by the way you gotta pass it's like a [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► loan and then you sort of the contract it's like well you gotta pay back the [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► loan has been using the phone you've got the phone so that's their way of getting [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► around the early termination fee while still making sure that if you leave the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► plan early you gotta pay a whole bunch of money to them which motivates you to [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► stay relevant links to various FTC complaints things related to this with [TS]

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00:23:47 ◼   ► you know we we all have all these photos that we take these days with these [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► awesome phone cameras or by creating new camera whatever the case maybe we all [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► have lots of photos he's more photos than ever people are taking forever and [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► it's really really good the problem is that that in the old days you get photos [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► printed you then you have this physical artifact [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and you could stored away somewhere you could display it you could flip 3 could [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► show you could see it more often nowadays we have more pictures than ever [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► but we look at them less than ever because they're all just buried in our [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► camera where there put on social things then they just kind of off time I never [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► see them again I think we really needs to take advantage of things that can [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► take our pictures and show them back to us or display them or let us share them [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► with her loved ones in a more or less fleeting way than just posting on [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► Facebook order so fracture lets you print photos and this is this is like [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► the the most modern kind of printed ever seen photos are printed on a glass [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► surface to you this nice thin lightweight piece of glass the anger on [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the back side of it but it's so thin and looks like it's right on the surface and [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► then there's a thin layer of foam board behind that to the phone working then [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► hook onto a picture hanger or can stand up on your desk for the small amount [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► option early that's an option but for the most part I get the big ones and I [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► and i i i hang on nails and they're huge and they're beautiful and they're light [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► so it is like no stressed put the thing on your wall and there's a small and [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► student small ones are really affordable I actually I have had a number of the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► small ones as well they have small squares that certified by 5 inches for [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► things like 15 bucks its visits really really affordable plus its before coupon [TS]

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00:25:42 ◼   ► these are real vivid photos printed directly on glass the quality is great [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► they look great you don't need to frame them or anything they they just they are [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► their own edge to edge awesome glass print fracture me.com code 8015 thanks a [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► I'm glad I kept forgetting to make the fracture I want to I decided since I [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► don't have a by constitutional I like Marco I figure I can put up the logos of [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► all the podcast that I've been on or associated with and some substantial way [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► to make practice of all those months but I kept forgetting to do the office now [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► use our Code of haven't decided what size are gonna get what size they are [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► icons [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► if you have the one that we made of us in the studio that's fine by the small [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► my water [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► depends on how many icons they're III gathered up all the high res artwork for [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► most people associate with the shows would have access to that so I think I [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► can go a little bigger but yes it sounds like you're viewing distance to know [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► what you're putting them in everything but yeah it's it's great [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► moving on what's next notebook to see arms which is something I could not have [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► possibly care less about but I know you to know that's not true you should care [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► everyone should care about this I tell me why tell me why also the enhancement [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► is another one of these Intel half announcements or the like [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► they announced they're gonna make Xeons with power specs so they can go in [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► notebooks but they don't have all the details yet kinda like out an ounce of [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► his colleagues but we have to wait for idea for all the details in tell us so [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► good at half assed announcements yeah I do not only do that but then you will [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► find a way to find out but we know enough I think we know enough to be kind [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► of excited it's kinda excited dumb ways we talked about in the past what is the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► difference between it and the rest of the Intel chips and there's things to be [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► said about well like their more conservative and they're lagging behind [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► the other things and maybe they give you the ones that are you know that I have [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► fewer manufacturing defects or something like this hand away become like these [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► are the fancy expensive ones but the things that count are expecting more PCI [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► Express lanes which is why they can go in the Mac Pro perhaps not for this [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► young the notebooks but that remains to be seen and the second thing is that [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► they have ECC RAM and usually support Mar and those two things I think you're [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► super important and apples quarter-on-quarter Pro laptops you get a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► pretty large amount of RAM is it so just 16 32 and I forget I love it still 16 [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► but I'll double check that's correct either way but by the standards of just [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► a handful of years ago a 16 gigabyte notebook is huge we keep getting more [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► and more RAM in these things and the error rates surrounding RAM maybe [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► they're getting better but probably an assassin's RAM capacity is increasing [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► its kind of like didn't agree on the file system where we keep getting bigger [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► and bigger discs but the error rate for the things were starting to mine are [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► getting that much better and not getting it better faster and in some cases might [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► even be getting worse and so we have all these bits and the error rate is one in [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► a million bits or 12 billion bit from a bike you know millions and millions and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► billions and billions but that means you got there is there and so is here and is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► ran that checks your checks for hardware fault that caused you know a bit to flip [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► here in there and it can fix you know some kinds of errors in the least report [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► the other kind [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► and that's one of the reasons I've always loved the Mac Pro is because they [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► are comedies ecran which is more expensive but I mean again maybe they [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► would do I think people have done some studies in this county serum actually is [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► a benefit but it just seems like the harbour cost of ECC RAM is not that big [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► of a deal but intel has always segmented its product line with a noble your fancy [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► pro chips get easy and so of Intel's gonna be stubborn and then I can bring [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► ECC RAM down to their consumer chips the next best thing is to say fine we'll [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► make notebook chips with design feature set so that more PCI Express Lanes we [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► don't know if there are quality processors are those the ones with the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► you know a more conservative manufacturing process or whatever we do [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► know they're gonna have ECC RAM and they can support up to 64 gigs of ram and who [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► wouldn't want a 15 inch Mac Pro 64 gigs of ECC RAM that sounds like an awesome [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► machine finally that like going back to the old seventeen states that sounds [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► like a truly Pro MacBook Pro as opposed to just like well to MacBook Pro is a [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► little bigger and fancy especially now they're all them in America so I have no [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► idea about believing use these things are no they never dies it's coming with [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Thunderbolt three but so did the desktop ones just a question of whether that [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► then about three integrated into the controller foreigners are just like you [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► you have to buy the controller chip if you get this the ants in their chips [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that anyway I don't know if Apple use these I don't know if they're worth [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► using this first generation of things but I like the idea of ECC RAM and more [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► RAM capacity come to Apple's Pro notebook line so fingers crossed [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► yeah it'll be interesting to see what happens I mean the what they announced I [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► believe it's only gonna be the Xeon e3 line and the e3 czar even closer than [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► than usual Xeons there even closer to the consumer line they don't have extra [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► PCI Express Lanes they do support assisi as you said they do support the higher [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► RAM counts on certain chipsets are our tips for the chat room is basically on [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► fire right now because you saying that you could get a sec on the consumer [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► ships as well I don't know about that will find out but [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► disease on name on the e3 line it doesn't mean much it's all marketing is [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► a marketing segmentation anyway but it like a fine if you want to do is marking [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► segmentation I don't care what it's called I wanted a laptop with ECC RAM [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► because it's crazy that 16 gigs in 96 here a minute supposedly pro thing and I [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► think that the laptop should go up higher and I'm not saying I was gonna [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► cellphone 64 gigs but maybe they could sell only 32 the super expensive top of [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the line like I think people would buy that because it's especially now that [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► the laptop CPUs are practically as fast as announced faster in single-threaded [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► then some of the you know suppose it proceeded to use from years past but if [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► you have a top of the line 15 inch laptop and you can just put more RAM and [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► you probably do some pretty amazing things with that on the road so you know [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► whether it's just a silly marketing thing and by the freezer not all they're [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► cracked up to be you know getting extra PCI Express lands and honorable 3 [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► develop liver anyway and you just buy a different controller chipset to get ECC [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► RAM bottom line at Apple hasn't done that they continue to sell their laptops [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► even their super top of an amount of about 80 and maybe this will change that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► because maybe I have a nice cancer intelligible they won't require them to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► get some different extra chip to make their RAM easy on the other end the easy [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► online is always really holding back what the Mac Pro can do with things like [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► ports and chipsets and everything else because the Nagpur use of the higher [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► classes on the E five series and with the extra PC islands in a couple of [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► things and those ten like chips that's why I don't know do do the East threes [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► use more consumer E chip sets because like it always hold back the Mac Pro [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► with things like how like how soon can support thunderbolt and USB 30 the new [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► whatever Newports specs come around the macros it was the last thing to get that [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► support because Intel's Xeon chip sets that that support the on CPU that level [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► are so they just lack so far behind the consumer stuff and they don't need to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► because they're going to go in service [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► on needs Thunderbolt three ports unlike Iraq service over you know exactly and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► so why would Apple want to talk another one of their product lines to the the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► delayed chipset platform support of the until the online now you know if it's a [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► matter of PCI Express Lanes doesn't make a difference there but I think he's here [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and get beat up there says that you could get easy on the desktop things but [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► not in mobile so this is a first for Intel or a person recent history that [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► you can get laptop chips from Intel with these irreversible I just think it's [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► like that integrates like it should be everywhere it should be all ramzi BCC [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► ram it was spread across the entire industry the so-called national cost of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► making the actual RAM chips 40 Disease Control and everything doesn't seem like [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► that big a deal to me and I think it's like it's literally speaking do as we [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► had a ridiculous number of bits to all of our machines and and the RAM category [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that we're just not like well I'm sure it'll be fine I'm sure every single one [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► of the brazilian butts to be sent through this thing will always come back [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► that we as we didn't come home small one but there is here and there you can get [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► kernel panics you get corrupted data get everything like can't trust daram what [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► can you trust your file system that is this really a trickle down to 22 [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► anything that i'm gonna by anytime soon [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► know you had a new laptop work got a new laptop I didn't I have I would say what [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► do you think the actual Apple using any of these chips at all ever in any of its [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► products like I think even that is maybe fifty 50 I think low I gotta give him 50 [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► 50 cuz I I hold out hope that someone is like you know what [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► so laptop for way more money than we do now we just position one is like this if [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that's what you do with the seventy minutes it was like like well this is [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► barely laptop at certain people need it so we're gonna charge an arm and a leg [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► in here you go there should be one of those they're just like the Mac Pro for [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► case green sure why not [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► 21 inch laptop go powerbook g5 we are ready finally liquid cooling our second [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► lunch this week is back please go to backpage.com / ATP to see for yourself [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► back lays is unlimited on throttled online backup and it couldn't be simpler [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► regardless of what you think of the market and who's in it you need an [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► online backup that's step one it is [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► solve such a huge class of potential risks and problems that can cause you to [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► lose your data [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► anything that can happen to your house or your workplace can affect every copy [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► of your data if you only backup locally within that building it's really really [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► nice to have an offsite backup of some kind that is not tied directly to [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► electrically directly to keep the computer is backing up that is not in [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► the same building and not even in the same city as the computer its backing up [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► there's a huge benefit to that with all sorts of disasters that you can be safe [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► from and your data can be safe from so online backup in general I highly [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► recommend that everybody has Online Backup Now Backblaze even before the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► show I was a huge back please convert and I've tried other solutions out there [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► actually a multiple of solutions out there and they work for some people and [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► that's cool they they've never worked for me though and so between my computer [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► mouse computer at my home server we have something like 6 terabytes [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► and backplates whole lot it it's something in that ballpark it's just [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► five bucks a month per computer so we have three computers we pay 15 bucks a [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► month that's it back please [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► its unlimited none throat so I decide unlimited space under photo upload [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► speeds so as quickly as you can upload it they will accept and the client they [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► gave you it's real native code and so it's fast it's efficient and there's no [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► weird like heap limits since we are stuck together with some of these things [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it's always up to date with modern [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► OS's so you know I don't have to worry when I kept on coming out in a couple of [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► weeks or months or whatever I'm not too worried about it back please doesn't [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► update immediately cuz they will they always have it'll be fine but they [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► probably work on the basis and then once you have your data backed up to back [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► please you can access it from anywhere they have mobile apps for Android or iOS [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and of course you can go to their website on other computers and you can [TS]

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00:37:26 ◼   ► download just one file idea back up onto your vacation to Peter 25% of their [TS]

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00:38:01 ◼   ► I've announcement to make ATP is now numbers we've we've now bought all [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► numbers with the name you know you have difficulty with the names it does [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► surprise came up with numbers integers we are buying all the integers yeah we [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► couldn't get into dot com web user Twitter handle so we're just gonna go [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► with integer with it with a lowercase L instead of the I we were going in the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► clouds it doesn't matter whether we can handle by federal make it into your [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► number forty five this is getting bad quickly so to summarize this news I [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► don't know if it's even possible through the sounds of stupid when you set up [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► Google decided to rename itself out of bed and then make and then divide up its [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► businesses but of all the things that Google did before some of things that [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► Google did before [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► are going to be under a new subsidiary of alphabet called Google and its gonna [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► be like search [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► and Android and web ads and I don't know what that something that and then a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► bunch of the other stuff that cool does is going to go under something else is [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► just directly under alphabet I forget the name is not under Google anymore it [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► will be all that stuff they have a self-driving cars and giant balloons [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► with WiFi access points on them and biomedical stuff and contact lenses to [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► check your glucose level and a lot of weird stuff like a lot of sort of R&D [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► type stuff and so this is a reorganization under a new name how bad [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► it is just that it's within alphabet which is still the company think imma go [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► was there dividing up their businesses and different been the super confusing [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► part is that their stock symbol will still be goog whatever that is NASDAQ or [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► whatever like this stock symbols are still look like Google or whatever but [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► the name of the company will be out that Google would just be a subsidiary a [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► wholly owned subsidiary about Larry and Sergey sergei underpants name are [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► staying in charge of everything but now they're in charge of alphabet and they [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► appointed a new CEO of the Google part of allan that it's not the same guided [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Google+ right now it's it's sundar Pichai [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► correctly and again to Google+ left-right wasn't that I can keep track [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► of the the drama involved in any way he left and and so soon are from what I [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► understand everyone likes sundar lot he's good presentations you so it seems [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► like it seems like he's he's a good presenter anyway I have no knowing [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► nothing to know nothing about every subsequent stages I O I think yeah so I [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► don't mean to me you look at this move and first of all it's it's odd and it's [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► kind of like head in the clouds kind of spacey New Age Larry Sergey type stuff [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► isn't spacey the name is the namespace because I think the actual move despite [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► being super confusing is less head in the clouds you because it's finally [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► recognizing that there is a company called Google does two kinds of things [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► crazy things like self-driving cars and hot air balloon that all sounds like [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► just maybe they're good ideas maybe they'll be dead ends like kind of you [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► know freewheeling research kind of you never know what's gonna hit or whatever [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and then very solid predictable same business that Google's been doing [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► forever with the web ads and search and all that other stuff and having them [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► both under the umbrella of the same company that i think is more kind of [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► hippy dippy head in the clouds like we're just like a company we're just [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► think we have a campus and you play volleyball me give you free food and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► some people try to figure out how to monetize web ads and other people are [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► trying to figure out how to save the world one whatever at a time and we're [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► all the same family as like how would you feel if your job was doing analytics [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► unlike keyword search return on investment in someone else's job was [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► like you know [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► driving cars or something is that really the same company recruiting to that [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► company just the same way across the board so I think it it is a little bit [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► more concrete and a little more down to earth to say we really need to carry [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► this stuff so it's clear who's working for what and what the goals are and then [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► gonna be Google and then everything else can be its own thing and we don't have [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► to like mix them together I don't know the financial implications like to help [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► them with reporting does it help them with with hiding profits and losses and [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► making himself look better and not having the crazy like better whatever [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► they i wish i knew i render end of this press release has already forgotten it [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► was too long ago [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► days but all the new research stuff under just pointed out the better they [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► make another to some company thanks just under our bed and there's access at the [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► ex labs whatever but those things are basically cost centers and those don't [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► look good on cooldown see cheat right so if you get them off into another [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► subsidiary then you can kind of do more and we stuff like what's interesting is [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► like they didn't pan out things like YouTube or Android out of the new [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► division called Google that fits with Google anything like YouTube is a fairly [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► concrete established thing it is not like [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► glucose sensing contact lenses but so is next and next is one out but Nesta still [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► kind of like can you make money selling the really expensive smoke alarm goes [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► off at the wrong time you know to me whenever you see a company like like [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► Google which which has they have a spotty record of BS and their statements [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► let's say that it's not they're not they're not totally awful but they're [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► not perfect and Apple does a lot of their own BS too much trying to be all [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► like you know we read about it here but this is the kind of thing that it's [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► worth like you know sitting around is there a cynical take on this that is [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► plausible for a while still have done it and there's so much like a floaty [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► language here and the cynical take is that we know what you said as I get sure [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► looks like they're moving a lot of cost centers out of Google and leaving Google [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► the thing that is named Google now as a more focused and most likely more [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► profitable kind of entity that's cynical that's just good business isn't that [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► kind of like to know not letting the two things like it just seemed very [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► different culturally and what their goals are with their priority should be [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► in combining them into one thing just like confuses like they're they're [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► separable enough because it's not like we should spend on Mac painted Mac right [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► into Clara sorry diesel references for young people think like that alot to me [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► like that was a core competency of Apple does the need to be spun out but like [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► hot air balloons men like that same company right I think it I think it's [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► one of things that I've always admired about Google is that they're willing to [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► do all these things like building them for its like what do you do now they're [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► trying to make the self-driving cars like if not then then who write you have [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► a bunch of smart people that have a lot of money I'm glad they're trying to do [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► these things and I think of those projects will be given kind of more air [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► to breathe and be under less pressure in a separate company and and yes the flip [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► side of that is the other part of the company will probably look more focused [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► it's not like you look marvelous investors you still buying the stock in [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► the big overall company I just think it's just better organizationally so I'm [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► not like I don't think there's any real actual cynical interpretation is [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► accepted on the sound like total BS to me is like that [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► hours into leave and they were like oh we did her makeup CEO just totally does [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► not pass the smell test for me at all but it's a bit like the stupidest reason [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► ever tour reorganizes big giant company but everything else about it seems [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► straightforward and a reasonable thing to do I just really like the name but I [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► don't know Marco what do you think I mean I am with you for the most part [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► like I believe if they were if there was an obvious cynical take on this I would [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► be the Linda make it and and I i don't think there is a clear when I mean you [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► know there is possibly like they look better on the investment type of [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► divisional stuff that we don't know enough about to really talk about their [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► is possible issues with taxation that a lot of people have pointed out this [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► might be like a tax dodge I think these are all those are definitely gonna be [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► benefits of it they probably were not the cause of it and they were not you [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► know not the driving thing that you know that drove this decision with them I I [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► think this actually is mostly about what they say it is I think this is actually [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► something they're saying honestly that you know cuz you're right it does make [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► organizationally to separate out these really really disparate things into [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► their own divisions that that you know things that have nothing to do with what [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► the company is doing or have very little to do with it what the company is doing [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► it does make sense to separate those out that being said you know this is all [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► still Google you know that it's putting a new name on it will have some like PR [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► distancing benefits to it kinda like like the joke that is intellectual [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► Ventures doing things through lots [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► you know it it this is a this is a thing that is created to to imply that there [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► is artificial distance or disconnection that isn't really there [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► so these this is really still the same people running it it's still the same [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► company it's all right now you've installed in the in the same buildings [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► and everything that all labeled Google [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► this stuff is all still Google stuff so they nest was spun off from Google if [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► you weren't comfortable with Google owning nest and having the data from [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► your house about your nest thermostat if you weren't comfortable at that before [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► you shouldn't be comfortable about it now either because it's the same thing [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► like it's all the same people so it you know it is important to keep the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► perspective on this that these are not it's not like how AT&T was forced split [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► up in the head to make actually separate companies [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► this is like no this is this is still all the same people who all are working [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► together really you know they just a different divisions but like this is all [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► still what we know as Google maybe that's the one cynical take her and I [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► think it was hard to do some unrelated to his conversation media commentary is [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► basically like Google makes the money and send it over doubt that and out of [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► bed takes the data take the money from from the cool part and feeds back into [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Google data it collects from whatever crazy things it's doing like [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► entire there every book in existence or whatever it was it is an exchange of [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► money and data so it's all it's all entirely on the family there's no wall [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► being built between these two things is just like now we gettin before you have [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► different reporting change different cultures different priorities in our [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► meetings they imagine they can concentrate on what they're doing [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► worry so much about what the cool side of things are doing it becomes more like [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► they can pretend within this little universal Google Voice [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► pretend they're two separate companies they communicate with each other like [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► two separate companies would even though they are the same company they both have [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► the same boss could just tell them what to do if they really want to disappoint [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► in Google history I think the two founders still are exerting kind of like [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► personalized idiosyncratic control over the company they founded the enemy to [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► money they care about money only insofar as far as I can tell if only insofar as [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► it helps them achieve whatever goals they're trying to achieve so even more [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► inclined not to believe that it's like some kind of like clutter financial [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► maneuvering is really they just want like why are we making better progress [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► on our research projects and wire it is Google they were proper distracted by [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► all these researchers have things we should really reorganized to sell both [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► groups can better achieve their goals because that's what they want to do is [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► the founder of the company I don't really don't think they're motivated but [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► like we could become even more Richmond then another yeltsin right it's funny [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► myself like what are the what are the different stops on the journey from a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► dictatorial CEO the kind of does whatever and doesn't care what anyone [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► thinks perhaps maybe like Jeff Bezos [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► whenever and somebody just told the company line like probably every [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► hewlett-packard CEO that's ever been [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► and I feel like Larry and Sergey are no Jeff Bezos but certainly closer to that [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► side of the spectrum then someone who just you know tries to get shareholders [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► as much money as I possibly can and this seems to me like you guys are just [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► saying you know let's let's try to reorganize the company in a way that [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► makes a little bit of sense and let's try to remove any shackles perceived or [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► real that prevent us from doing this change the world kind of stuff that we [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► really want to be doing yeah I think the line is like if if you feel ownership of [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► the company if you are one of the founders of the company or lease for [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► their super early you feel like you have a right to just do whatever you want [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► with the company you know investors bid ample street be damn you know obviously [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► to some degree or not a lot time offenders don't have full control over [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the company lose control and so someone you know but like if you want to be [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► early people like my company and do what they want with it but if the company has [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► been around for hundreds and hundreds of years and you're like the 17th CEO it's [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► harder to feel like you have the you should just be like you know what what [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► do I want Google to be I'm to see because the CEO and most companies have [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► been around that long as beholden to a board of directors and they don't have [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the control they didn't put everybody on the boards they really are in charge or [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► whatever but as founders and founders who're why is in very carefully managed [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► to retain majority control over the company they founded they feel like this [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► is my choice as my play thing I'm gonna do what I want with it and I think [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► that's a great way to run a company I hate the other way where they run a [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► company where you're like the CEO is like a steward for two or three years [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► and whatever happens the company doesn't matter as long as they get their golden [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► parachute in their bonus and they they go out and someone else comes in at like [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► to clear odorless no actual leadership short-term thinking those but companies [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that use that huge revenues in huge impact on all the people around them [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and the people who buy their stuff and that's the worst so I I fully endorse [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► this modern style of ambitious very strange unconstrained by conventional [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► thinking leadership of companies even if in the end it ends up doing in some or [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► all these companies in the long term [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► Apple so far things going with this is the second phase because its its founder [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► leader is gone now and its leadership is then passed over does Tim Cook feel the [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► same kind of ownership over Apple's Steve Jobs Ad maybe not but I think he's [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► still doing the same kind of things what it look like you know the environment [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► human rights [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► diversity yeah all those things that steve Jobs was not steve Jobs was not [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► staring out in that direction at least not a degree temp agencies Tim Cook has [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► put his stamp on that but I feel like he he's not embarrassed to do that or [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► doesn't feel like it's not his right knee because he was there was the whole [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► time and money is on the 17 CEO and that will probably be just a big mess but for [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► now Apple still doing well in this area and I think this move by Google side of [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the name and that's what I was asking me for aside from his name which i think is [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► really terrible this move makes sense to me it is exceptionally bad name [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► well that wouldn't help you there but I hope whoever say the word out that even [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► the stock symbol is good we're just gonna like I think we can all agree on [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► the show now that we're like trying to be contrary are being stubborn or [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► whatever but I'm just gonna keep saying Google think most people are going to [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► get even though we're talking about a self-driving cars going by Google's [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► self-driving cars that people get the alphabet self-driving cars I don't know [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► Google is really committed to it could even do the kind of rebranding necessary [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► to turn this chamber was like a teensy Atlantic bail like that you know the [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► Universidad I ground like chain of names that Brady was broken up and it did [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► eventually we have his different other names and they reckoned we combine it a [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► monster that is Verizon and the new AT&T anyway that kind of rebranding usually [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► only happens when the previous name is so incredibly hated at a value of zero [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► or negative you make up a new word and people like well I hated bell-atlantic [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► but this Verizon company and never heard of this may be their betters Cingular is [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► terrible but AT&T is pretty good anyway you know I've heard some wonderful [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► things about Xfinity [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► that's what people see the chain I guess people say that my Google is intended [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► people like that has positive value that is very strong brand and I don't see a [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► little bit every thing that and so I hope people just one actually use that [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► name except in like official documentation and like actual press [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► releases and people have to be journalists but casually speaking I am [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► until until it seems incorrect based on common usage and was gonna keep saying [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► Google for the whole thing I find a sponsor this week is Casper Casper is an [TS]

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00:56:13 ◼   ► times on this show before I actually don't care for memory foam very much I I [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► think it's weird I can you describe why but I still like it and it is really [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► true that this is the reform issue but in a way that it actually super duper [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► comfortable to sleep on even if you're not a memory foam kind of person like me [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► so yeah I definitely recommend cast for mattresses they are excellent and even [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► if you didn't want the mattress if you just wanted to say donated or something [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► it is almost worth the money just to see how chip to you because it is ridiculous [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► so you open a calmness really relatively compared to a mattress this relatively [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► small box and just kind of compressed in there and you open it up and be it [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► inflates itself into this big full normal size mattress or any different I [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► getting it back into the box but if you too if you wanna try this thing out they [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► have a hundred day return policy so a hundred days tried in your home and if [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► you don't like it they will arrange a painless return for you so it really is [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► no risk and these mattresses are made in America obsessively engineered and the [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► pricing is incredibly good so they present just $500 for a twin size [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► mattress and prices go up all the way to either 754 full 854 queen and 954 King [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► now if you try to get a premium comfortable foam of any sort or even [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► just a good spring mattress kingsize mattress for under $1000 is unheard of [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► like it is it's crazy that is that is about half of what you would pay or even [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► even better the head even less than half for a lot of these really good [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► mattresses and the again peter made in America its hybrid memory foam with [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► latex foam to really provide the best of both [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► it is awesome and you can even get 50 bucks off your purchase going to catch [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► up com slash ATP and use code ATP at checkout [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► obsessively engineer mattresses at shockingly fair prices with just the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► right thing just the right balance castro dot com slash ATP ATP check out [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► thanks a lot right to Marco you wrote a perhaps contentious but probably not [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► really contentious post about ad blocking would you like to tell us why [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► such a jerk and why you hate anyone who writes for the web so this is [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► interesting I wrote opposed basically defending modern-day JavaScript blocking [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► which will of course will have many ads and many many trackers I was actually [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► really afraid to publish it because I have so often publish something and had [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► and had it blow up in a way I didn't really expect or want and really [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► regretted it afterwards and this in in which I as a fairly prominent voice in [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► some circles and advocating basically for many modern Adam tracking bloggers I [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► thought knowing as many people as they do in publishing this could be a problem [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► and so I showed it to a bunch of friends at a time like five hours ahead by the [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► time I saw your link to like a take a look at it was already posted for real [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► so I i say more they done next time I actually got direct feedback from a few [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► friends who read it faster than you did I didn't seem too late until much later [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► his fault is that so I am I must like completionist than most I did read it [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► but i i said look at this time thanks anyway but yes you did so I'm not a web [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► publishers I can give it to you [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► just tell you to pick different words right so anyway so I actually really did [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► like Anna sanity check it with some friends ahead of time because I was [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► afraid to say this and so the gist of my my article here it's called the ethics [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► of modern web ad blocking and the this is a lot of stuff that we have to talk [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► about on the show here in the past we have to be very careful with the web [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► because if you just follow a link in your browser will just load that page [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► and everything on it without giving you a chance to kind of say oh you know what [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► no thanks I don't agree with everything this page is trying to do you know like [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► when when you follow a link to somebody sends you are that you think if you find [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► in a search or or whatever you load all the trackers all the ads all the all the [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► code that paid wants you to execute you just load it and run it in your browser [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► that's how bout two brothers work all the collection of your data they're [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► doing you know if if you find something to take offensive or if it's tracking [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► you between multiple sites through cross-eyed trackers like ad networks and [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► Google Analytics and stuff like that you're getting all the data up without [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► really being asked first like they take the data and then you can maybe go and [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► try to disable it later and that whole model is it has been so abused by web [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► publishers and advertisers and and scare me and legitimate companies like it has [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► been so abusive that now like everything you do on the web is watched like a hawk [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► tract of massive privacy violations happening constantly like and just this [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► came to a head a few weeks ago there was no not only as far as I know anything [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► but then like there was people calling out the verge for their anniversary [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► calling out the mobile web for sucking and everyone will look at your page it's [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► full of 15,000 trackers and eight megs of JavaScript and all this stuff and and [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► grouper called out I more for great writers within the sites full of these [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► crappy at the time and then my neighbor chief my moreover this post explaining [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► that have basically how bad ad networks are and how they kind of don't have much [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► control over the matter and so there was discussion around this but really what [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► it comes down to is I think now in the same way that pop up ads got so crazy [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► in the early two thousands that pop up blockers became basically required usage [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► and I became integrated into the browser themselves and turned on by default [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► my argument is that now [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► JavaScript tracking and and and you know cross-site tracking and some of the ads [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► but it's it's honestly more problematic with the tracking have gotten so bad and [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► so abused that it is now time to take technical counter measures to reduce or [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► eliminate that tracking if you don't want it the same way that we took two [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► typical countermeasures to block pop-up ads fifteen years ago and I really [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► thought this is going to be a very controversial I thought a lot of people [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► who were in publishing which include lot of my friends would really be offended [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► them suggesting a blocking basically and it wasn't the guys from the all we [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► really upset with me but i dont really know them and I don't really care that's [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► nobody else was like I I thought there would be a huge divide that's why I said [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► I was a little afraid to publish it instead I've gotten hundreds and [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► hundreds of responses I'm links and just hundreds of people telling me yes [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► finally yes I agree that's exactly right [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► including many of my friends were publishers including many publishers I'd [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► I'm not friends with maybe I am now we'll see I I was shocked at how [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► positive and supportive and how much in agreement [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► their reaction to this was I mean I can go on my blog and I can post my name is [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► Marco Arment [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► and I will get more disagreement on that then I will call from this article like [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► it is crazy how much people argue with me over anything else I ever say and [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► this that I thought was not be incredibly controversial it turns out a [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► lot of people think this and even publishers know I said he only it's not [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► like publishers alike evil you know devil corporations like publishing as [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► hard as it's a tailor monitor the magazine and as I seem like with my [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► other efforts with [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► ad-supported media tried to stuff online makes money it's hard especially if you [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► if you have to have a staff in your costs are way higher than individuals [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► like me or john grew Republican on our own sites like having a staff is [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► incredibly expensive and so it is very very hard for publishers to make enough [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► money to stay afloat and we see so many publishers shutting down or downsizing [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► it is incredibly difficult to make it work and so they they have been you know [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► kind of forced some of them have been forced by financial situation some of [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► them that should be agreed but they've been whatever the cause [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► publishers many of whom are well-meaning have have been you know quote forced to [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► adopt a really terrible ads and integrate really terrible tracking and [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► there's of course is full of session between lots of people about like [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► metrics and tracking ever see everything everybody ever does on a web page or on [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► media hora a nap and after a whole separate session we'll get to that I'm [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► sure in the future but there's there's all this tracking going on and all of [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► these all the abuse from ads and publishers often just say often don't [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► get a report of some ad being being bad or inappropriate or over the line in [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► some way and they have to go like you know well that to go to the ad network [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► the service to them and try to reported that often very hard and you know you're [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► just inserting code on your page that will call to an ad network and just have [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► them run arbitrary code that some advertiser entered since I'm system [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► somewhere on all your viewers computers [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► and so you as the publisher really don't have a lot of control over that the ad [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► network barely has control over that and they have even less incentive to care [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► and so you have this terrible situation where like there's really nobody kind of [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► policing the store and hit her head that will be effective and so you have to do [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► it as the user yourself you have to adopt Technol countermeasures we might [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► buy terms like you have to start considering installing a blockers are [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► tracking markers ie I mention I used to love story I know there others please [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► stop telling me about the others I'm happy with good story I think I think [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► now is the time to do that and what's what extra frustrating is that a lot of [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► the the problems with this a lot of the problems that have led to this are [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► things that are inherent to the way web browsers work like the way had a request [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► things how how cross-domain request work how cross-domain cookies work how [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► JavaScript includes work in what they had access to and over the last twenty [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► years that this tentative has been possible and then has developed a web [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► browser manufacturers and standards committees have added all these [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► capabilities to the web that add new things web pages can do and and new new [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► ways now now the new thing is to make web pages to give them more of the [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► abilities that were previously exclusively to apps and to make web [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► pages more app like but meanwhile the core problems that that enable all this [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► terrible tracking and privacy invasion and horribly slow jams with everything [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► those have not been addressed very well by the web development and and standards [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► communities and so like you know why why have they not address that why have they [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► don't know like the recent years like you're right up until maybe like a year [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► two years three years ago when [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► browser vendors especially the Romans are the leading edge modern browsers [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► really started turning the screws things that are mostly security focus but the [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► end up affecting advertising like anything related to cross site scripting [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► like the the doors have been slamming down on things related to accessing down [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► melons and other frames are accessing anything happening in JavaScript that [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► was served from a different domain and it's kind of a pain in the butt if you [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► know if you're doing web development especially if you own it obviously have [TS]

01:08:13 ◼   ► your own domain and they're all like something that food.com dog cooperate [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► that used to be easy to just work normally but then they started pulling [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► things that I call your dad cross origin request headers to everything and and [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► Mike the wild card in his crap but you can't do start out food.com you got to [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► do star or the exact domain names and the domain names don't match up you [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► could maybe something will work but you can't get your javascript stack traces [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► and it's like that is mostly security-related like that my related [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► advertising advertising still do they want because they make it through a [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► proxy or do something else they get there and all this stuff but it does end [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► up limiting the privacy invading you can do in the bad old days when challenged [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► gotten your page and read all your cookies agreed things and other frames [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► the embedded iframe and now the restrictions are much greater than they [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► were before so I think that is what you talk about technical countermeasures the [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► most important countermeasures what you mentioned before like the two platforms [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► in the browser vendors that much more power than individual nerdy users who [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► goes we are few and in the grand scheme of things not that important but as soon [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► as you know pop-ups everyone hated pop up some punters in a browser vendors [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► correctly realize that there is almost no downside to a big upside to putting [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► pop-up blockers your browser so it's practically overnight they to slam the [TS]

01:09:34 ◼   ► door shut and that entire thing like that was they were an epidemic popular [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► everywhere I was like everyone to said nope that's not happening but is there [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► any sort of lengthy negotiation and hemming and hawing about putting the [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► websites we love out of business doesn't match [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► it was in browsers it was on by default that's the end of that right there is a [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► little bit of arms race fighting like CEO began like if you when you click on [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► this link I'll count that as your intentional click to pop pop thing but [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► for the most part [TS]

01:10:04 ◼   ► putting that feature in the browser made a pop ups way less prevalent they worry [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► for like I still see them this bill this still trick you into clicking into [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► anything like that that is a super important countermeasure same thing with [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► Apple allowing you to use what they call them content filters or whatever and iOS [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► you couldn't do that before i ball has opened that door and I think they made [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► the same calculation like we know we do this the first thing I'll begin to be a [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► millionaire bloggers we're going to make it super efficient we're going to make [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► it faster because they want people to download those ad blockers and use them [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► to make their experienced browsing the web on their iPhone better so that's [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► that's like me I must feel like we are not as involved in the struggle as as we [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► like to think that we are that it really is a negotiation between the platforms [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► the software and the websites only as nerds who know about what a Chrome [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► extension is and are shopping around for these Diego stream disconnect only other [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► and you know the Go Daddy blog list of most people don't run those things I [TS]

01:11:09 ◼   ► don't know how to install them or someone sells them for them but then [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► they break some websites or whatever like navigating that is is mostly [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► American CERN but since those who served as we travel and I understand your [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► concern about like if I post this and I endorse this I know everyone who's [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► reading it knows how to install these things probably and so now by my [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► endorsing into my encouraging other people to install and then you know by [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► reducing the revenue due to site people I know work for whatever and when I [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► think about bad like just sort of us are a little microcosm not in the grand [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► scheme of things [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► for the wider web but I think that I think it's you know it's the same [TS]

01:11:45 ◼   ► negotiation we've always had between sites like it's not so much you have to [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► do you have to decide you have to like so do the calculation do you like [TS]

01:11:54 ◼   ► reading this website website but I don't like the other part of it but you can't [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► decide I'm going to continue to read the website but I'm going to do something [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► that will make it a better experience for me [TS]

01:12:04 ◼   ► gonna block all ads that most people know that if you block all ads probably [TS]

01:12:09 ◼   ► you are making less money for the site but you just one person and maybe you [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► think well even if me and everyone I know blocks ads and even if all the [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► nerds blockades only X percentage so I still feel okay with that so maybe [TS]

01:12:18 ◼   ► you're fine with it you have to decide [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► like there are consequences everyone's action should I block pop-up so what if [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► I'm stopping the revenue that these guys were getting these obnoxious pop-up ads [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► if I want to cite still to exist I better enable pop-ups well some sites [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► that go under because they could be the bar without pop ups but others I didn't [TS]

01:12:35 ◼   ► go under they found another way to make money if everybody's blocking pop-ups [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► ever does just find another way to advertise so I'm sort of on this on this [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► battle between users and web sites and browser vendors in whatever I tried to [TS]

01:12:49 ◼   ► in my actions with my own stuff that I am i install try to make them reflect [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► you know the site that I care about I like a whitelist the site that I care [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► about them just become too obnoxious I feel like I have to send them a signal [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► like I like your site i like reading these things but autoplay video was just [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► not happening so I can install things they're gonna stop that and that is my [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► signal to use the Site that if the only way you can exist with auto playing [TS]

01:13:15 ◼   ► video that I'm sorry but I don't want you to exist and I don't think it's [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► fixed and and morals that I think that that is not like there's no obligation [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► on either side they they they put something listening on port and an IP [TS]

01:13:27 ◼   ► address and I they have become the entire world to make requests for to [TS]

01:13:32 ◼   ► receive that information we can do whatever the hell we want that [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► information I can I can redirect to a file I can read through links or I can [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► show it in a web browser but just not request any of the flash and not request [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► any of the jobs you track it like that's that's the negotiation there's nothing [TS]

01:13:46 ◼   ► there is nothing ethical bad it's purely practical it's like you if you [TS]

01:13:50 ◼   ► understand the consequences of what you're doing on your end [TS]

01:13:53 ◼   ► how it might affect revenue and how it might affect the existence of thing on [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► that and also how it might motivate them to change their website if everybody [TS]

01:13:59 ◼   ► block pop-ups like then then the sites go well we'll have to come up with a [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► different strategy and make this strategy involves a million jobs [TS]

01:14:06 ◼   ► contractors that are not as visible as pop ups but the end up paying more we [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► track your habits and install something to block that you know the hard to find [TS]

01:14:14 ◼   ► another way this I'm pretty comfortable with this negotiation I don't lose any [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► sleep over over the the given take I think that's just the natural way things [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► work out thing I mostly frustrated with this for the longest time it seemed like [TS]

01:14:28 ◼   ► the browser vendors for kind of afraid to take that extra step like you know [TS]

01:14:32 ◼   ► brothers could come with built-in ad blockers for example are built in [TS]

01:14:35 ◼   ► JavaScript like they don't they just kind of like well we have an extension [TS]

01:14:38 ◼   ► framework and Guerrero everyone in the nerds install it and whatever residue [TS]

01:14:42 ◼   ► come with a built-in pop-up blocker it does it seems like we're ready for the [TS]

01:14:46 ◼   ► next round of kind of platform owners and browser vendors to take the next [TS]

01:14:52 ◼   ► step because I think it leaving it entirely at their parties even how I was [TS]

01:14:56 ◼   ► doing is gonna create a little bit of confusion as a potential for the ad [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► blockers in the 80 track things to themselves be Scania thinks I'm putting [TS]

01:15:05 ◼   ► up the ghost story is produced by an ad company the good old adblock extension [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► is also people paid to whitelist their ads like this finds a way like ya life [TS]

01:15:16 ◼   ► in jurassic park so we still have to be vigilant but I think I'm ready for the [TS]

01:15:21 ◼   ► next round like you said technical countermeasures from all parties [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► involved to renegotiate the contract because there's nothing there's nothing [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► that says like that the only way to make money they have increasingly scam he [TS]

01:15:32 ◼   ► adds if nobody can have that much trackers not much stupid JavaScript if [TS]

01:15:37 ◼   ► it into being widely blocked don't have to you know find different Wade [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► hopefully more tasteful way to advertise this is the negotiations they put out [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► content but if we find it annoying they have to you know provide something that [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► we like and not nice too much and if their annoyance too much we'll do [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► something back and they have to figure out a way to make something people enjoy [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► it also pays money and that's why I think the whole thing of like if you [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► block as your criminal you're you're taking food from people's mouths are [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► trying to put sites [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► business there's no obligation on either side of us we all have to come to a [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► mutual agreement and we feel like you have a beneficial relationship right [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► enjoy the things that you're writing and you enjoy me coming there to see it and [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► you know seeing your ads or whatever like that's that's the negotiations were [TS]

01:16:19 ◼   ► all in here and it's not as if one party is just obligated to just choked down [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► whatever the other party does nor is like any other side of the coin site [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► that said you can't come inside if you run at blocker and the like are taking [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► various times done various detection to see hey are you block me said nope sorry [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► not to be there so they can do that too like that's the negotiation has [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► historically I would imagine I remember the exact numbers are higher expense as [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► a percentage of the normal that bloggers be read by a bunch of marriage right and [TS]

01:16:49 ◼   ► so like you can't have two percent of people running and bloggers it's not [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► viable business you are reading our site you enjoy the content will try to keep [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► it tastes we don't have autoplay as we don't have video ads like we don't have [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► a lot of ads on the page if you block as you can read this site so that's that's [TS]

01:17:04 ◼   ► the thing we're going to hear and I'm I'm ready for the next round of God I [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► was quoted them as I won't do it I actually don't mean either I know the [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► rest of the audience does not process popped into my head damn you George [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► Lucas how many times have you seen The Phantom Menace [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► I've only seen her twice too many I did a podcast about i dont wanna talk about [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► it but the dark time there was one of the good mood [TS]

01:17:36 ◼   ► while but we should potentially be done here but Sir John can get himself a [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► tissue and cry allow well thanks 143 sponsor this week [TS]

01:17:45 ◼   ► fracture back please and casper and we will see you next week now this show [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

01:17:56 ◼   ► accidental was accidental [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► cuz it was accidental and if a team markle [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► John let me make you happy [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► how he's not doing a review the summer pretty good good see just like that [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► you're back in it let's do another hour and a half another reference to watch [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► Star Wars of the all your new time let's start with that again was a couple of [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► weird things about nineteen yet three times less pressure advertising some [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► bloody thing is that of course I have installed then I think it's knowing [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► about it is it seems like like I have installed but I don't use it a lot [TS]

01:19:25 ◼   ► because my main computer I don't want to reboot and have a reason to go into it [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► and then every time rebooting to dislike to new updates but rather just [TS]

01:19:31 ◼   ► installing the latest version of talking to have to go through the update liked 2 [TS]

01:19:34 ◼   ► times like a Windows user it's like a great debate is 6-7 with the reboot in [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► between each text spring break the beta seven guys anyway I don't know much [TS]

01:19:45 ◼   ► about using the operating system because I'm finding myself not using it so [TS]

01:19:48 ◼   ► exciting is going to happen here is like it's going to come out and I refuse to [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► find out what the hell I mean I think I know most of the stuff but all the [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► little intricate details and did the tides and stop I'm not doing that myself [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► so basically don't know don't know what I don't know what it's like to use that [TS]

01:20:04 ◼   ► as my main operating system for any substantial periods because I just [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► haven't been it's like I've only booted into it if you add everything about into [TS]

01:20:10 ◼   ► this two more updates and I do all the updates and I wander around and I [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► enjoyed the fact that it had to take any screenshots and then play with various [TS]

01:20:19 ◼   ► options and look at things and then everybody in america us it'll be [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► interesting to see you like you know as when when it comes out and as you have [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► to then turn to other people for their reviews you're probably gonna have some [TS]

01:20:33 ◼   ► very conflicting feelings of probably immense relief that you didn't have to [TS]

01:20:37 ◼   ► do it but also immense dissatisfaction with the job everyone else did in your [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► absence I mean I'm excited to use the new OS because like I C you know it's [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► hard to tell this year according to a clean I was like wow does so much fast [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► they're installed on its like even a different Apple idea at all you know [TS]

01:20:55 ◼   ► it seems smoother and cleaner and nicer they've done minor refinements to look [TS]

01:21:00 ◼   ► at I like I think all the changes they made it look I endorse even unlike [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► rapping on right now [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► screen here it looks a little bit crisper and clean air and tighter less [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► kind of low contrast faded and and Angeles [TS]

01:21:15 ◼   ► like I like everything about it so far [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► suggestion from Chloe digs pipe work in the chatroom who says we should pour [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► money to get John up to California so you can review the actual El Capitan [TS]

01:21:28 ◼   ► review the data like being on top of that was the cab there are ever going to [TS]

01:21:36 ◼   ► explode and destroy the entire west coast sometime in the next fifty [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► thousand years guaranteed salary is there any one particular view that [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► you're looking forward to or do you know who's doing it for ours is ours doing it [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► as a teacher does one already did I'm armed shari's JNJ some properties from [TS]

01:22:00 ◼   ► Macworld this radar anyway but like now over eating them and I'll be like [TS]

01:22:05 ◼   ► learning things and what I want I'm with Marco that I can't wait till all this [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► comes out and then you quietly tell somebody one of us hopefully oh my god I [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► cannot believe the job that these people have died and like they did a great job [TS]

01:22:22 ◼   ► but it did I ever say that before I know it's fine [TS]

01:22:25 ◼   ► like they got most of the way but unless there's like some obvious pop culture [TS]

01:22:31 ◼   ► reference and nobody managed to make them feel like I will miss you know I [TS]

01:22:34 ◼   ► really needed me by the Google route that thing but they may like the period [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► a link to the only thing to say that yeah [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► and I was like oh my god it's the best Easter ever take seriously a period link [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► amateur hour it was underlined like this they styled in such a way that it tax [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► declaration on technology anyway my my my pointless HMO least you're a genius [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► will go unrecognized in my lifetime clearly I'm sorry John who's going to [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► make all the Simpsons links references [TS]

01:23:12 ◼   ► the worst thing about Easter eggs as you know you just you so you can see them [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► all right I can I was never clever I was never like doing the job you know in [TS]

01:23:19 ◼   ► this stage right click inspect you can even hide stuff in the dominant shadow [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► down but anyway I didn't even try to hide out there in the open so it seems [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► like all these trades on there should have been found by now but most people [TS]

01:23:32 ◼   ► just don't care yeah I didn't click I would at least hover on all of your [TS]

01:23:38 ◼   ► links but I didn't click on a lot of them because I knew if I'm honest I [TS]

01:23:41 ◼   ► wouldn't I wouldn't understand the damn reference in the first place sometimes I [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► give you the hover sometimes I don't depends on the reference depends on [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► things but but . links let's let's just say that I did not read your review on [TS]

01:23:56 ◼   ► expert I read it on amateur hours yeah I I would even following an iPad usually [TS]

01:24:03 ◼   ► good at that time I would prefer to read like in a sit-down concentrate not [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► you're not sitting for my computer but they sit down and actually read it in [TS]

01:24:09 ◼   ► Reading Mode and to me that for me that's an iPad and iPhone and iPad I [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► could have some cool I gesture recognition but never got around to it [TS]

01:24:19 ◼   ► can you do in the summer other than traveling a bit like didi feel like you [TS]

01:24:26 ◼   ► have time to fill I mean I assume the answer is no but it's more relaxing I i [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► mean I'm podcasting for the summer [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► I was because I got the two regular pot has not even one of them every other [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► week and so that actually does make a big difference it's basically and plus [TS]

01:24:43 ◼   ► between all the vacations at least two podcast every week so that it's taken [TS]

01:24:47 ◼   ► more time and then now being on vacation and not stressing about things and just [TS]

01:24:52 ◼   ► you know the nights when I'm not podcasting can actually just relax and [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► watch an episode of art is the new black and not worry about what I haven't [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► haven't written and not worry about retaking screenshots are poring over [TS]

01:25:05 ◼   ► details of the OS are trying to get in touch with Apple PR in the three days [TS]

01:25:09 ◼   ► before I have to publish main thing I am glad I really am glad things are going [TS]

01:25:17 ◼   ► well and that you are relaxed so are you relaxed enough to do it for whatever [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► ridiculous name may come up with next year no I'm out what do you not like [TS]

01:25:28 ◼   ► you're not michael Jordan is your one and only retirement now I baseball [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► committee you never know just asking [TS]

01:25:36 ◼   ► viewing toasters kind of its true bless you for doing it [TS]

01:25:42 ◼   ► goodness the inventory yet now call home contracting work is never done [TS]

01:25:50 ◼   ► like the goal was that has done this summer will probably still make that you [TS]

01:25:56 ◼   ► know could be into September whatever michael has your child that arrived [TS]

01:26:02 ◼   ► about a week ago I had a camera good it's it's really good [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► yeah I mean I've only had it a week so far I knew going into it that I would [TS]

01:26:12 ◼   ► not be happy with the battery life that the battery life on all the Sony [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► wireless cameras for three months is awful and they have continued the [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► tradition the battery life is indeed terrible they they have partially fixed [TS]

01:26:25 ◼   ► that problem by guest shipping it with two batteries seriously that's the first [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► thing I ever bother country to have its own back [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► and they give you they give you an extra charger also in charge via USB and plug [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► it in so it's hilarious so yes they have multiple batteries in its fine and the [TS]

01:26:46 ◼   ► picture quality is just stunning and then it's just ridiculous but what I [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► especially like that as this is I'm talking about the a seven are to [TS]

01:26:52 ◼   ► actually said that earlier forgot to what I especially like about it is that [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► my might hit reform a keeper rate the percentage of pictures I shoot that into [TS]

01:27:03 ◼   ► being good and then the good enough to keep and not just because something is [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► out of focus or whatever might hit rate is extremely high way higher than it's [TS]

01:27:12 ◼   ► ever been with any other camera I've ever used including an iPhone and and I [TS]

01:27:16 ◼   ► think there's there's a number of possible reasons for this number one i [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► think is just that it has a really really good autofocus system most [TS]

01:27:26 ◼   ► mirrorless cameras don't have a tech auto focus and faith detective that's [TS]

01:27:31 ◼   ► what Apple called focus pixels an iPhone 6 and it's what it's the way that s all [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► ours have always focused the alternative is contrast detect where you just read [TS]

01:27:41 ◼   ► the image of the sensor and you you move the focus motor forward and back until [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► you see you notice like Paramore high contrast edges at this focal length in [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► this focal lengths that's most likely in focus and that's why you see cameras [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► kind of going in and out of focus as as they try to find that point that's [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► called hunting and it's it's more prevalent in contrast systems and so for [TS]

01:28:03 ◼   ► a while mirrorless cameras only had those and many of them still only have [TS]

01:28:07 ◼   ► that but a few of them have faced check out of focus and and this is one of them [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► and the previous sony's with the exception of the a 72 the previous like [TS]

01:28:16 ◼   ► the a 71 line didn't have faced so what does this results in a way faster and [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► more accurate auto-focus then you know it's almost SLR spirits not quite there [TS]

01:28:26 ◼   ► but it's almost SLR speed it's it's the closest I've ever seen in a camera that [TS]

01:28:30 ◼   ► wasn't an SLR or for my usage I think it's close enough it's a little early to [TS]

01:28:36 ◼   ► say that definitively but I think it is close enough to be you know very similar [TS]

01:28:41 ◼   ► to a good SLR [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► I used the system in the nine-county 750 their rented was is well-regarded it's [TS]

01:28:47 ◼   ► it's another very very well-liked very advanced auto focus system for a solarz [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► I don't think it's the best in the world but I think it's certainly up there and [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► I would say this is actually very close to that it's very very close ups byi so [TS]

01:29:00 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

01:29:00 ◼   ► contributing to my percentage of pictures that are good being high is [TS]

01:29:05 ◼   ► that really good focus system that the percentage of shooting there that are [TS]

01:29:08 ◼   ► that is correct [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► is very very high because it's fast and accurate and the other thing I like is [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► there is this end and the sensor like you can print the ISO sensitivity on the [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► sensor up like crazy because it's just really really good [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► like most modern Sony sensors which includes the ones in Nikon cameras most [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► modern Sony develop full frame sensor largest stunningly good with with [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► keeping low noise at high ISO sensitivities so what's good about this [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► camera is that not only does it have that but it has a feature that is only [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► in a ridiculously small number of Cameron I don't know why this is such a [TS]

01:29:49 ◼   ► rare feature in such a relatively new feature where you can custom you can set [TS]

01:29:52 ◼   ► it on auto ISO and then you can customize what your minimum shutter [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► speed is you can have you can run the camera and aperture priority mode [TS]

01:30:02 ◼   ► and you can set the aperture door you want and then you can say Auto ISO but [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► keep the shutter speed above say 1 to 15 of a second is 12 fiftieth you know you [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► can you can you can freeze most motion but most whens lands around that you [TS]

01:30:17 ◼   ► know so that that's a good minimum so if you're shooting inside a five point six [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► and Freddie keep 1 to 15 of a second the isoelectric ranked really high up to [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► like that tend to 25,000 range really high says and this camera just looks [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► good like it still looks good at those crazy I suppose and again you can get a [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► modern icons as well so I not citizens exclusive Sony but to have this in in a [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► in such a small camera with so many events feature so the combination of the [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► focus being so good the auto ISO with them in water speed making us so that [TS]

01:30:52 ◼   ► you can basically shoot anything any light and have it be sharp as long as [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► you're willing to tolerate some noise at the extreme high ISO's and also it has a [TS]

01:31:02 ◼   ► stabilized image sensor so similar to the iPhone six-plus this has sensor [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► shift technology so it can check the sensor around to do image stabilization [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► of matter what lens you put on it even using a really short length like thirty [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► five-millimeter which it's very hard to find short image stabilized primes [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► generally though not a lot of manufacturers ever make those because [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► there's a lot less demand for stabilization and in short legs like [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► that then there's like four telephoto zooms so you can have like very very [TS]

01:31:34 ◼   ► short distance image stabilization shooting really fast high ISO so this [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► the combination of those things just incredibly improves the hit rate of [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► taking so rather than shooting like [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► 200 photos in afternoon of doing something and I'm trying to pick out the [TS]

01:31:52 ◼   ► twenty good ones I'm shooting like 40 photos and picking out the twenty good [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► ones it's incredibly the difference in the time it saves and even like I'm even [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► considering turning off because the jpegs committed this camera are so good [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► and do such a good job with dynamic range capture there's a good blowjob sex [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► I still can play with it that that its just incredible like it's even rise [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► becoming a lot less necessary and therefore like like I'm using the Photos [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► app and Lightroom kind of in parallel right now [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► photos the Apple process doesn't support the raw files for this yet so I only [TS]

01:32:29 ◼   ► deal with the jpegs in the Photos app and only seen the roth and Lightroom and [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► I like the jpegs better than the color and they they don't look worse I go to [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► the Rafah eventually pull up shadow detail really high or something but [TS]

01:32:45 ◼   ► that's rare so overall it's great but it's a really great camera so I'm [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► extremely happy with that I am I have three lenses and I don't expect to get [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► any more in the near future [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► 530 535 2.8 little 3555 1.8 which is possibly the best legs I've ever seen [TS]

01:33:06 ◼   ► and I have the ninety macro which is really ridiculously sharp and it's [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► awfully close it and sent massive and heavy but for like product shots for my [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► blog it's a fact that I'm really enjoying that overall three thumbs up [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► every time I think of buying one of these super expensive cameras I remember [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► that I rather spend the money on a Mac and be wearing take most of my pictures [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► during each year is standing waist-deep in ocean waves and I really wouldn't [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► want to be holding two or three thousand dollar cameraman [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► and while doing that so far haven't dropped on and I don't know how many [TS]

01:33:46 ◼   ► years we've been going on vacation to the beach and me taking pictures of kids [TS]

01:33:50 ◼   ► in the waves but like at least you know six seven eight years haven't dropped [TS]

01:33:56 ◼   ► the camera yet but it's gonna happen eventually and when it does I wanted to [TS]

01:33:59 ◼   ► be like a $600 mistake two or three thousand dollar mistake I did fall this [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► year with it but only on the sand and cameras held safely in there I wish I'd [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► seen that I can only imagine the acrobatics he went through to save the [TS]

01:34:15 ◼   ► camera I was when I was actually it was my sneakers were just like this after a [TS]

01:34:20 ◼   ► run in like I didn't have like you know I had actual sneakers on both sides and [TS]

01:34:24 ◼   ► we're just gonna go in the water but like the waves you know come up in like [TS]

01:34:27 ◼   ► one way of star come up and it was caught by surprise and started to run [TS]

01:34:31 ◼   ► backwards up the hill and the sand to keep my sneakers out of the water and [TS]

01:34:35 ◼   ► lost my footing one under my butt but the camera stayed in the area and no [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► shoes either sand in the butt but otherwise that's by the way this is this [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► is my you know 44 people who do not have super expensive cameras let me give you [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► the most part of target tip take your crappy camera and take pictures in [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► ridiculously bright sunlight [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► really good and everything is lit up and your crappy camera that does not rely [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► sensitive to the tables and they're fine you capture any kind of motion the [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► bright light of a sunny summer day in mid-afternoon they look really good just [TS]

01:35:12 ◼   ► be your iPhone a plastic bag on her bright Sun is pretty much any camera [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► like that's why the the iPhone whenever there's new iPhone and they're talking [TS]

01:35:23 ◼   ► about how great the cameras and they show that this is a real picture shot [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► and I thought it's always like this bright sunny beautiful scenic california [TS]

01:35:29 ◼   ► that's that's not worth of a flower [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► Russia midday Sun yet that will always look good but my cameras and camera that [TS]

01:35:38 ◼   ► but I don't even bother taking pictures and tourists at this point there's no [TS]

01:35:41 ◼   ► point they're just they're always going to be terrible there's just that has to [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► be outdoors and has to be just fine with me plenty of times when those conditions [TS]

01:35:51 ◼   ► are met and I get lots of pictures of family and things we still get [TS]

01:35:56 ◼   ► professional photos taken now down to once a year just to have someone else [TS]

01:36:00 ◼   ► take them so we can all be an addiction and family photos in the professional [TS]

01:36:04 ◼   ► photographer uses a fancy camera so they look better than ours but I think we are [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► adequately documenting our lives close it's all backed up will be fine [TS]