00:00:05 ◼ ► What else going on now think that we have nothing in the fog section as Wake except for a night [TS]
00:00:12 ◼ ► So we actually genuinely have no follow up for real as confirmed by John Syracuse himself. We had a long. [TS]
00:00:22 ◼ ► You know we had a recording schedule what the hell was our last show about it was so long ago. [TS]
00:00:27 ◼ ► It doesn't really matter. I don't know. So yeah. We should guest talk about Sky lake. [TS]
00:00:32 ◼ ► Because that's a thing as of today. Well sort of I mean I think the most boring skylight ships launch today. [TS]
00:00:43 ◼ ► I think Intel thinks that they're the most exciting because they are extreme to use the ninety's parlance like they're [TS]
00:00:49 ◼ ► the able to be overclocked like Intel is actually talking about overclocking in them you know to me like they're the [TS]
00:00:56 ◼ ► ones they're sort of the P.C. Enthusiasm. Chips now that there's many of them left but. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► Like maybe they think that's like the only place that is a potentially a growth market so I don't think they're the [TS]
00:01:07 ◼ ► most boring ones maybe they're the least to relevant to people who buy Apple computers. [TS]
00:01:11 ◼ ► Because like you said the does it just going to be the ones they go on the IMAX in the one thing on the IMAX are going [TS]
00:01:15 ◼ ► to be overclocked and. It's going to be the middle range one of the iris Prograf X. and It's like whatever. [TS]
00:01:22 ◼ ► But I think Intel think because they were released in an ounce of what is it Games com What the hell's the name of the [TS]
00:01:28 ◼ ► It doesn't matter anyway gaming related thing and so they're going to releasing the chips that would be interested. [TS]
00:01:34 ◼ ► Of interest to people who are building gaming P.C.'s and they want to know. I'm building my gaming P.C. [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► Graphics cards inside it and getting them together in some way and so it's really about ethics [TS]
00:01:56 ◼ ► but you're saying they're not exciting because they're not like the ones that are going to go in most of the max that [TS]
00:02:01 ◼ ► Apple sells which are the laptops and. They're not anything that would ever go on a mac pro right. [TS]
00:02:07 ◼ ► No but it isn't it isn't even just that I'm saying. Even for the markets that they are intended for. [TS]
00:02:31 ◼ ► And so to have these high claw desktop chips come out that are you know high wattage high clocks. [TS]
00:02:35 ◼ ► Not meant for laptops for the power. Stuff it's probably not like super to Dinan or at least super emphasized. [TS]
00:02:43 ◼ ► It's interesting. But only on a mild level for a very small number of people like. [TS]
00:02:48 ◼ ► It doesn't really matter if the desktop chips get ten percent more power fish and. [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► It doesn't have that big of an effect on I mean. Yeah yeah you can you can. You know slam against T.T.P. [TS]
00:03:05 ◼ ► Because we have heard so many things that sky Lake is going to be. This major power improvement in everything. [TS]
00:03:16 ◼ ► So if we can actually get twenty percent more performance in a laptop or. You know twenty percent more battery life. [TS]
00:03:22 ◼ ► That's way more impressive and that could really make a big difference things like the mac book wonder the eleven [TS]
00:03:32 ◼ ► Really for what you need it for or could it could allow Apple to. You know. Obviously I would hope. [TS]
00:03:39 ◼ ► With like the fifteen inch line I would hope they would use this new savings to get banks and battery life [TS]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and bring it up like to twelve hours instead of nine or something like that you know [TS]
00:03:48 ◼ ► or you know break up to six hours of heavy use instead of five or four. That be great. [TS]
00:03:54 ◼ ► In reality they're what's probably going to happen instead of the probably going to get redesigned the fifteen inch. [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► And you know I don't love that they keep doing that but it's at least interesting and exciting [TS]
00:04:07 ◼ ► And so you know that's where the action is going to be with sky like is when it comes to the laptops in the meantime. [TS]
00:04:14 ◼ ► You know I don't as a sitting here in desktops and not even the macro hit just sitting here like it [TS]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and in like high end. Mostly P.C. Desktops and maybe the IMAX. That just isn't that interesting to me. [TS]
00:04:26 ◼ ► So I haven't read too much about these chips I think not everything has been released because even though they were [TS]
00:04:33 ◼ ► Saying the technical details according to non tech anyway are not coming out until Intel's developer. Forum. [TS]
00:04:43 ◼ ► but this is this is their god what the hell is the talk right. The new heart attack at the same it's not a shrink. [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► But what is new and different about that are gesture I don't think we know the details yet officially. [TS]
00:05:03 ◼ ► And this thing is a link in the show as a benchmark in the mall like not an impressive performance game for the desktop [TS]
00:05:09 ◼ ► Some weird things where it's actually like a couple percent slower due to some issue they couldn't work out [TS]
00:05:13 ◼ ► when using external G.P.U. but Whatever like a low single digit percent increase the stuff that you're doing. [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► Power savings that are not of interest for the dust up things because like whatever that Sim some a power engine the [TS]
00:05:35 ◼ ► This supposed a big increase in power savings because normally you think you get you get a big reason power savings [TS]
00:05:49 ◼ ► I can see how they can get a little bit of savings out here for moving execution units around [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and having like the display some fixed function hardware in the display chipset so you don't have to send data out [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► through DRAM and back into the G.P.U. Well you know all sorts of. Small changes to save power. [TS]
00:06:13 ◼ ► We don't know that it was I don't know the technical details of the entered So I'm curious as to where the big savings [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► are coming from and I believe that they're there from you know our tipster and other people. [TS]
00:06:23 ◼ ► You know speculating about sky like saying that that is going to be a selling point of this line of chips that it's [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► going to be well who care is not a big deal for desktops but for laptops. You can see a nice power savings. [TS]
00:06:34 ◼ ► I don't know where the power savings comes from because I'm think that'll be interesting especially if it's not it's [TS]
00:06:37 ◼ ► not like they it's clear that they didn't spend time working on performance because like well performance you know what [TS]
00:06:42 ◼ ► I was basically a wash maybe a little bit better. But power settings boy that's going to be great. [TS]
00:06:46 ◼ ► And we did it without a shrink. How do we do it so I look forward to those details when they are revealed. [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► Our first sponsor this week is our friends at cards against humanity. And as usual. [TS]
00:06:58 ◼ ► They have instead of a normal ad read. They have asked John to review a toaster. This week's toaster. [TS]
00:07:14 ◼ ► Is the Hamilton Beach three one three three zero toaster oven. This is a pretty big toaster. [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► but this claim requires the standard miniature bread that they use in the toaster and the box shots right. [TS]
00:07:34 ◼ ► Why they don't put anything in there for scale. But honestly that bread is microscopic so for a slice of comfortably. [TS]
00:07:44 ◼ ► Those humps you know that I'm talking about where it's like it's some point in the past decade [TS]
00:07:48 ◼ ► or so all toasters grew humps of some kind because someone decided that it's great to be able to advertise a toaster [TS]
00:07:56 ◼ ► And of course a pizza is not going to thicken it in a rectangular I've been very easily [TS]
00:07:59 ◼ ► but if you put a little rounded hump in the back of it you get a lecture room to shove your pizza in there [TS]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and blah blah blah. You know my toaster does not have this John. You know any hump. You sure know. It's flat. [TS]
00:08:11 ◼ ► My toaster that you said was inferior to your toaster. Does not have the hump. Yeah. [TS]
00:08:19 ◼ ► It's amazing the hump is made to look larger because the toaster skinnier at the top and at the bottom. [TS]
00:08:32 ◼ ► The wire rack is kind of medium gauge the Wire Act as not rectangular It's like a rectangle [TS]
00:08:36 ◼ ► and then there's extra little thing like a little house poking out the back to goes into the Help section [TS]
00:08:40 ◼ ► but something about hump is that the wire rack is like it's you know it's a rectangle with another thing attached to it. [TS]
00:08:52 ◼ ► But that's also does not come with a round pan which seems weird that this is that such a prominent hump [TS]
00:08:58 ◼ ► L M like the promo pictures they show a pizza sitting on top of the wire rack of the toaster just like just on top of [TS]
00:09:07 ◼ ► If they would have to already be done before it's put in there right yeah you cook and you put you put a fake. [TS]
00:09:13 ◼ ► or revenue make the food out of you know I think because of it so it doesn't melt under the hot lights. Anyway. [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► Comes with a rectangular pan the rectangle hand doesn't quite fill the the toaster edge dead general who did that on [TS]
00:09:24 ◼ ► purpose to try to allow hot air to come around or whatever. But it seems like kind of a shame. [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► Plus a little small Iraq that goes in the past on the knob situation this is a three knob. [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► Toaster top on it's for temperature. But you still need to set it to toast. If you want to toast. [TS]
00:09:43 ◼ ► And this is one more toaster all three knobs have to be in the right position in order for you to toast you gotta make [TS]
00:09:48 ◼ ► sure the top knobs on toast and you got and you gotta turn the the function thing on toast [TS]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Every single time to a particular angle this new one on the knob also says please turn on time or not pass fifteen [TS]
00:09:58 ◼ ► and then back to the time that you want every time I don't even know if you need to do that [TS]
00:10:03 ◼ ► but I think I feel like you can just turn it to like you know they have a very limited range like maybe ten [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► or fifteen degrees that constitutes the entire range of toasting. And you have to turn and that range. [TS]
00:10:17 ◼ ► But they're pretty darn hard to turn the not very good be that like actually kind of hard to turn. [TS]
00:10:25 ◼ ► It is just kind of like a dull pill shaped lump in the shiny metal or shiny plastic base of the knob. [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► And the knobs are pretty tall so you're trying to line up like sort of a indistinct capsule shaped lump in [TS]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and you're trying to line up that lump with like the exact unmarked spot in the ten to twenty degree range that [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► It feels like too much effort like your turning of the special you have turned past fifteen like force it back. [TS]
00:11:06 ◼ ► It's got four unshielded resist if you didn't on the Senate which I knew were going to be slower than the the big [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► when it does toast it's pretty even one edge of us a little bit darker than the other [TS]
00:11:31 ◼ ► Blessedly come straight out so you're much less likely to dump the crumbs back into the house during a trying to remove [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► On the door that like when you pull the door out also pull the tray out a little bit. [TS]
00:11:48 ◼ ► The toaster the same problems elements where it has two different positions for the rack. [TS]
00:11:52 ◼ ► And you're supposed to use the middle or higher position when you're making toast. But the little claws are. [TS]
00:11:56 ◼ ► We talk about how do you deal with a little clause to pull the tray out when pulled the wire act out [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► and a couple in a minute manufacture the clever things that the fancy Breville one has like magnets which I think are [TS]
00:12:08 ◼ ► This one just punts on and says you know what our little claws are only going to pull the trail [TS]
00:12:11 ◼ ► when it's in the bomb to this moment in the top position locals do nothing just kind of lame. [TS]
00:12:17 ◼ ► I don't know who made that decision especially since most of the time using it in Toast mode. Aren't you. [TS]
00:12:22 ◼ ► I don't know maybe most time to are using it of an OK way it seems lame. I have never. [TS]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Until now consider the possibility that a toaster oven would have multiple rack heights. [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► Are we supposed to be changing our rack height thing and we cook it. I never have does yours have multiple records. [TS]
00:12:37 ◼ ► I have no idea of never even though it's pretty hump it could be primo to Boracay So the one that we had until it broke [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► recently so I am a toaster oven lists. Which is terrible. I know a guy who I some extra. Yeah so I hear. [TS]
00:12:57 ◼ ► In an upside kind of a huge shape sort of a mean was flattened. But the way it would work is you would put it in with. [TS]
00:13:05 ◼ ► When it looked like a you. And it would be very close to the bottom of the toaster. [TS]
00:13:16 ◼ ► And you listen to my reviews I just reviewed tested had it exactly chair couple of the same poster. [TS]
00:13:22 ◼ ► Years might have different I think a lot of people buy these never look at the manual [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and if there's nothing written on the surface. Most are they just put the rack wherever they want to and that's it. [TS]
00:13:40 ◼ ► Yeah usually multiplicity because the higher position the position of looks crazy to all of us like [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► when we were growing up the toasters all had the rocks way down low on the bottom of the only place they would go that [TS]
00:13:56 ◼ ► They want you to toast there they want you to broil there only if you're baking yourself to bring it down to the bottom [TS]
00:14:04 ◼ ► and sort of the midpoint of the Alvin and only when you're baking you're supposed to but down on the bottom. [TS]
00:14:09 ◼ ► This is a step backwards in toaster oven convenience because the whole point of this thing it is like. [TS]
00:14:14 ◼ ► You can put basically anything a toaster oven and get OK result out of it with very little effort. [TS]
00:14:21 ◼ ► It's not that complicated I feel like the toaster oven is used either mostly than I've been mostly as a toaster so [TS]
00:14:26 ◼ ► there's kind of a default position and honestly if you just leave it in the high position. [TS]
00:14:30 ◼ ► Bake things find it mostly they want you to ease the bottom racks of your baking something that is tall. [TS]
00:14:36 ◼ ► Something like maybe even just a big baked potato maybe start getting too close to the heating element on top you want [TS]
00:14:41 ◼ ► to move it down but I don't think it's that big of a deal I think it is an improvement because [TS]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Because you're so close to the bottom elements have so far from the top one. That is always. You know rapture. [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► When they're in the middle to better. But anyway. Overall of this toaster. I give it a passing grade. [TS]
00:15:02 ◼ ► but it is certainly better than some of the really really bad toasters rooted recently. [TS]
00:15:06 ◼ ► And it's fifty bucks Ishtar what it feels quality wise like a fifty dollar toaster. But. [TS]
00:15:29 ◼ ► Thank you very much to cards against humanity for sponsoring once again. OK. So I have big news. [TS]
00:15:37 ◼ ► In an otherwise completely empty week. Are you guys sitting down. Are you running for president. [TS]
00:15:44 ◼ ► I am running for president as a Republican like the rest of the country you know not. [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► Let's talk about that the people of that. Let's not know there's not a fast text update. [TS]
00:15:53 ◼ ► I have joined twenty thirteen twenty twelve twenty twelve whatever. I have a written a mac now. [TS]
00:16:02 ◼ ► Lou do you have it or is a work computer sitting next to me but it belongs to work. All right well. I mean that. [TS]
00:16:16 ◼ ► So the funny thing behind this is I was talking in in slack with the bunch of people including the two of you guys. [TS]
00:16:29 ◼ ► I have errands MacBook Air that I'm using right now which has been under water about eight times. [TS]
00:16:34 ◼ ► I have to late two thousand and eleven high rez into glare MacBook Pros one with a platter drive [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► and a ram which is mine. One way it's a and C. and Sixteen gigs of RAM which is works. [TS]
00:16:52 ◼ ► And so I knew I wasn't going to order anything for me. Anytime soon. So this colleague one comes out. [TS]
00:16:59 ◼ ► But I've been working really hard lately I'm really getting sick of my work computer. [TS]
00:17:08 ◼ ► Really I was supposed to get an upgrade in June at my three year work anniversary. [TS]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Because that's when Apple Care runs out and. I didn't get one then for various and sundry reasons. [TS]
00:17:17 ◼ ► And so today just mostly to be snarky I emailed or I T. Guy and was like Hey just a reminder. [TS]
00:17:24 ◼ ► Not only is this computer. Three years old in that I've received it three years ago. [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► But even when I got it at that point we weren't buying new Macs are buying refer to sold Macs [TS]
00:17:33 ◼ ► and so even though I got it in mid two thousand and twelve it's actually a late twenty level mac and. [TS]
00:17:38 ◼ ► So I said that really just to kind of remind him that I'm looking for a new mac at some point. [TS]
00:17:45 ◼ ► Next thing I know he's going to the Apple store and getting me. A fifteen inch for the macro which. [TS]
00:17:50 ◼ ► If you're going to choose a problem to have is a pretty solid problem to have. So yes I got a maxed out. [TS]
00:18:02 ◼ ► Along Well really because of the to college. Steven Hackett Marco and a few others. I should get the not discrete G.P.U. [TS]
00:18:10 ◼ ► MacBook Pro because there's really no need for me to have a discrete G.P. America Pro I said to our i T. Guy. [TS]
00:18:18 ◼ ► But I want the terabyte hard drive if I can get it I want the old maxed out. Processor Viking get it. [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► But don't worry about the ball or ball or one just get me the Intel G.P.U. One that's all I need. So he it's OK Got it. [TS]
00:18:36 ◼ ► Also I gave you the super loaded one because was only a hundred dollars more and I figured you'd like it but thanks. [TS]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Thankless enough. Man is kind of the problem when like. People know you're interested in something and want to like. [TS]
00:18:50 ◼ ► If someone's like Marco likes coffee right I should buy him some coffee but you don't know anything about coffee. [TS]
00:18:54 ◼ ► And you're going to buy Marco coffee. The odds of that like. Maybe Marco do appreciate the thought of. [TS]
00:18:59 ◼ ► But it's like especially if Maher and you're in THE SITUATION like it's their job to buy you a computer [TS]
00:19:07 ◼ ► but you just know if you're not there during the purchases like they're going to do something they think is a nice [TS]
00:19:11 ◼ ► thing to do it's like if I could just let me just tell you exactly what to get just get this. [TS]
00:19:21 ◼ ► Give me the give me the credit card I will order a card at the even better if you can get them to do well in in his [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► defense you know not only was he trying to do the right thing and get me even more than what I asked for. [TS]
00:19:35 ◼ ► Not only that but I'm pretty sure part of what influenced him was that he could have this computer today and. [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► If I had gotten the not discrete G.P.U. One. It was and. You know that's not carried in any normal Apple store. [TS]
00:19:54 ◼ ► I'm actually really excited have a new computer because again I was much as I do love my high rez anti-glare fifteen [TS]
00:19:59 ◼ ► inch MacBook Pros. They're both getting pretty. Long in the tooth now. But I bring all this up. [TS]
00:20:05 ◼ ► Actually because I wanted to share what it's like to have a written a mac for the first time in twenty fifteen. [TS]
00:20:14 ◼ ► but I haven't so I want my moment in the sun damage in all of you I don't have any right to mags. [TS]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and cheese grater so you don't even count how why the only one of the of like three alleged Apple experts. [TS]
00:20:29 ◼ ► Since two thousand and twelve for the year although the only one who loves to buy expensive things [TS]
00:20:32 ◼ ► and Solomon by different expensive things are as Casey and I are much more cautious. [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► You know like I think I think if you were the kind of person who who bought a laptop for yourself. [TS]
00:20:48 ◼ ► I think you would all you would have had one sometime in the last three years. Yeah that's definitely true. [TS]
00:20:56 ◼ ► Say and I am a laptop person but just like John said I try. Be Frugal whenever possible. Usually fail but I try. [TS]
00:21:06 ◼ ► And so one way or another. This is my first retina mac and I'll not try to make this fairly quick. [TS]
00:21:14 ◼ ► To live is the very best viewing experience that first an OTA Secondly I noticed a is ALL MY GOD. Everything is he. [TS]
00:21:22 ◼ ► Because I'm used to this high rez anti-glare MacBook Pro has resolution I don't even remember offhand. [TS]
00:21:32 ◼ ► Whereas this fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro is considerably less than that effective. [TS]
00:21:37 ◼ ► Resolution fourteen forty isn't fourteen forty yet but you can change it there's a set [TS]
00:21:43 ◼ ► But native authority I would keep forgetting about the native native two X. Four hundred forty that is tight. Yeah. [TS]
00:21:53 ◼ ► I haven't yet changed the scaling I suspect I'm going to it's only a matter of time to just change it it's no big deal. [TS]
00:21:59 ◼ ► Just change the name. Of where do I know that from I don't even. You're not even going apple references anymore. [TS]
00:22:06 ◼ ► Other To be fair I don't remember what he was talking about I don't which of which app it was yeah I don't know [TS]
00:22:11 ◼ ► but that the Agha's memory. That it was a jobs email. Just change the name of that big of a deal. [TS]
00:22:19 ◼ ► That was the first thing on earth second thing I noticed after how beautiful it was was all MY GOD I HAVE. [TS]
00:22:25 ◼ ► Yes I am aware scaling I just haven't tried it yet I want to live with it as it was for a little while first. [TS]
00:22:30 ◼ ► The third thing I noticed was you know I'm trying furiously to prep this thing for for work tomorrow and. [TS]
00:22:39 ◼ ► I am installing V.M. Ware Fusion which is the particular V.M. Software that I use. [TS]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Just because that's what I bought for every go and I have never switched parallel since Susan's way better. [TS]
00:22:54 ◼ ► The first screen that comes up after whatever generic like ten screens. Pop up for the installation. First real V.M. [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► Ware Fusion screen comes up in old mice. Holy. It is ugly. Everything is what has happened. [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► And I've never had this experience before in so ignorance was kind of bliss in the past because everything was blurry [TS]
00:23:18 ◼ ► But now it sticks out like a sore thumb and I can already tell this is going to get annoying really quickly. [TS]
00:23:22 ◼ ► Now to be fair that's the only screen I've noticed in using this such as this machine in the last couple hours. [TS]
00:23:33 ◼ ► Yeah it was way worse back in two thousand and twelve like for anybody who bought some of the first generation right [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► and I prefer like it was way worse back then because web pages were all just looked terrible like you know software [TS]
00:23:43 ◼ ► update itself pretty quickly. But it's the web a long time to really get into having high D.P.I. Versions of anything. [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► And so and web sites on retina still you'll occasionally run into one now that's not retina. [TS]
00:23:55 ◼ ► But they're much fewer and further retune than they were in twenty twelve. But you know. To be fair V.M. Ware has head. [TS]
00:24:09 ◼ ► You know any observer we've been like you know. This is probably going to expand to the rest of the lineup. [TS]
00:24:14 ◼ ► We should probably get ready for this. That when the retina. I Pad came out a year later. [TS]
00:24:19 ◼ ► You know what we should probably get ready for this. That was two thousand and eleven then it's like OK. [TS]
00:24:25 ◼ ► Now it's like anybody who has still not. Retina ready now like that's their fault. [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► That's that this is beyond reasonable and where doesn't really have much of a U.I. [TS]
00:24:36 ◼ ► and have a department that is responsible for up there in the graphics because really like you're mostly not looking at [TS]
00:24:41 ◼ ► V.M. Ware as Euros are looking at whatever. Virtual Machine you're using inside the thing you know. [TS]
00:24:47 ◼ ► Right and to be fair this is an installation screen and. I haven't gotten to the point that I've put a V.M. [TS]
00:24:52 ◼ ► On the machine yet but I believe that all of the. Honest to goodness V.M. Ware screens. [TS]
00:24:57 ◼ ► Will be ratified or whatever you want to call it. Hi rez while you complaining about V.M. [TS]
00:25:07 ◼ ► or they're up there now they're seven point something point something whatever one seven came out I had this bug where [TS]
00:25:13 ◼ ► and shows me that little screen that shows you're like a virtual machine library with like the little screen shots of [TS]
00:25:17 ◼ ► everything and. If a launch at that thing comes up and I quickly double click the V.M. I want to launch it crashes. [TS]
00:25:25 ◼ ► Right. If you let it launch event that screen with a little I break them up. And you just wait a couple seconds. [TS]
00:25:30 ◼ ► It's one of those old school bugs like classic Macko S cooperative multitasking memory grab just wait. Just let it. [TS]
00:25:37 ◼ ► Just let it sit there and then go over and double click it's on and it's been a repeatable bug through mult. [TS]
00:25:43 ◼ ► Little minor I think they even do like a major that the seven point one of the get multiple revisions every time it [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► says Senate crash report I do I think it is going to Apple the and we're probably never see them [TS]
00:25:51 ◼ ► but boy I love those kind of bugs words like. Just don't touch it. Just be careful just wait just wait wait. OK now. [TS]
00:25:59 ◼ ► What the hell could it possibly be I have no idea anyway. So that's basically all I have to say about computers so far. [TS]
00:26:06 ◼ ► It does seem very nice I had the fans did kick on once or twice as I was doing an installation or two. [TS]
00:26:12 ◼ ► They were super quiet I don't know if that means that their wider in general now I don't think the metrical is pulled [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► in surveillance and propelled through Skokie cavities by fans. With the face of metric the position blades. [TS]
00:26:26 ◼ ► In most fans. The blades of position symmetrically which creates a single identifiable frequency. Weekers ition Alice. [TS]
00:26:35 ◼ ► Asymmetrically to spread the sound of a variety of frequencies. Which makes you seem quite and less intrusive. [TS]
00:26:43 ◼ ► A recall to the conclusion. Makes a contribution for to receive benefits to use. Right. [TS]
00:26:51 ◼ ► And so that's the thing is I've never experienced this for myself so that was very exciting doesn't seem like a jet [TS]
00:26:59 ◼ ► So I have to say so far about like software and whatnot. I will note however that this has a four star trek that. Yeah. [TS]
00:27:07 ◼ ► Marco's favorite thing. And so you got four times the pixels in infinitely fewer buttons. Right. [TS]
00:27:12 ◼ ► Still just one if you are by the way. Anyway. When you first get a brand new mac with the force. [TS]
00:27:28 ◼ ► But Hammett be very talk about the magical switch was making you say that when you first get it. [TS]
00:27:33 ◼ ► It's like the words they're like water about it you comes out of the box not touching any start using it. [TS]
00:27:37 ◼ ► What repels you. It's that. There's a click. But it's almost it almost feels like. [TS]
00:27:48 ◼ ► But it doesn't feel right it's almost Moshi the ones like a third. Yeah I guess. I don't know it just. [TS]
00:27:55 ◼ ► It doesn't have the depth that you expect yes I understand there is no depth it's all an illusion I'm just saying you [TS]
00:28:12 ◼ ► but rather than going all the way down to feels like a ghost about like half travel. Perfect description. [TS]
00:28:17 ◼ ► That's why we keep you around. That's exactly right. So I hated it. I hated immediately. I had a feeling. [TS]
00:28:27 ◼ ► but I thought to myself Self why don't you take a look in System Preferences and such a consist System Preferences [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► and sure enough there is a completely. Unlabeled are two completely only able to flyers. [TS]
00:28:39 ◼ ► Well I should say completely I'm labeled there's a there labeled click in tracking speed. [TS]
00:28:44 ◼ ► Click did not mean anything to me. But there's light medium and firm as the three options. [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► And I realized after thinking about it for second it was like What the hell is all right. [TS]
00:29:21 ◼ ► And I have no problem with attractive anymore. They have no problem with that like. [TS]
00:29:25 ◼ ► Do you like better as a just like well is acceptable at the same to give the money he got the right next to tell you [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► why go back and forth likely break. So yeah. I mean I'm doing this mostly to get a rise out of Marco. [TS]
00:29:37 ◼ ► I wouldn't say I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't say I like it more I would say I like it marginally less. [TS]
00:29:55 ◼ ► It's misconstrued when I when I'm dragging or core clicking and holding and when I'm not. [TS]
00:30:03 ◼ ► It's hard to describe and I'm really get put my finger on how to like reproduce it [TS]
00:30:25 ◼ ► We all kept using the thumb because the bottom on the usually near the bottom of the bottom part of the split the quick [TS]
00:30:30 ◼ ► but when no part of it moves they're all equally valid so you can stop using the thumb sort of theory goes. [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► And use whatever finger using to control the cursor is also the finger the used to click [TS]
00:30:41 ◼ ► and no matter where you did the same exact amount of effort required Have you tried that is that even a thing. [TS]
00:30:45 ◼ ► My brain understands everything you just said My hands are already writing in results for that I think it should be [TS]
00:30:53 ◼ ► easier because it's not coordinating like you're not courting you're not trying to like really press my thumb over here [TS]
00:30:58 ◼ ► but then let me drag my pointer finger over. There it's all just you know one thing. [TS]
00:31:03 ◼ ► and all all snark aside I just I think would be really hard to train myself not to use my saw a perfectly reasonable [TS]
00:31:11 ◼ ► It's just it would be hard for me to train myself to do that so anything like it's one of those things that is made [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► but like maybe someone who this is their first laptop ever like a kid like just Except. [TS]
00:31:27 ◼ ► And they would find a barbaric time to press down with their thumb in this particular edge of the thing while moving [TS]
00:31:35 ◼ ► and what I've heard that from other people I'm just wondering if you should give that a trial I give it give it a good [TS]
00:31:40 ◼ ► chance to be like maybe this is better although I think you're about to talk about something else that is even more [TS]
00:31:45 ◼ ► potentially blasphemous about your track bad habits. Before we get there let me use rebut slightly. [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► What drives me nuts about the force to extract that is not that I hate it I don't hate it. And you know. [TS]
00:31:58 ◼ ► I know that the next time I buy a laptop it's almost certainly going to have one and I'll just have to deal with it [TS]
00:32:03 ◼ ► and that'll be fine is not going to stop me from buying a new laptop forever you know I'm not going to like one of the [TS]
00:32:15 ◼ ► But what I find unfortunate about it is that what you're saying is you're basically in apology mode for it's like. [TS]
00:32:25 ◼ ► Or this is great here for this unreliable thing and the click is almost as good as the old one. [TS]
00:32:30 ◼ ► You know it so it's all these apologetic. Excuse excusing statements about it because it really isn't as good and. [TS]
00:32:41 ◼ ► What bothers me about this trackpad is that we had a great trackpad before that very few people had problems with you [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► That's why it was his that way it's why we use a thumb on the bottom. And everyone's been fine with that it's and fine. [TS]
00:33:05 ◼ ► I don't think I've ever miss clicked on a track pad that had tap to click disabled. [TS]
00:33:10 ◼ ► To go make some flick to get to take home with the trackpad that is such a fundamental thing [TS]
00:33:14 ◼ ► and to make it even even five percent or one percent less reliable. You know. It's like it's like if every. [TS]
00:33:22 ◼ ► If every fifty attached to the space bar. Just didn't work or inserted an X. Instead. [TS]
00:33:27 ◼ ► You know he's making fundamental input methods. Slightly less reliable than one hundred percent. [TS]
00:33:39 ◼ ► The fact is if you're really good with the trackpad and you don't have to click enabled. [TS]
00:33:42 ◼ ► It's very reliable like you very rarely have like. Unintended results from it or missed. [TS]
00:33:49 ◼ ► Clicks or missed gestures it's very reliable. With forced touch. Yes they did something that's really cool technically. [TS]
00:33:56 ◼ ► But on this fundamental level of reliability even if you can get over the feel issue which I honestly. [TS]
00:34:07 ◼ ► Happy Time makes it better in software I have not given a fair if I that yet but I heard that's better I don't know. [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► But even with the click feel. Aside for now. Which I don't think it was a small thing but put that aside for now. [TS]
00:34:22 ◼ ► The fact that it got even a little bit less reliable the fact that it is occasionally misinterpreting what people want [TS]
00:34:28 ◼ ► you want first person to say that Casey. I had that problem and I when I own one for two days. [TS]
00:34:33 ◼ ► I've heard many people who had to say who still have the same problem with it where it is a little bit less reliable it [TS]
00:34:38 ◼ ► is like you will occasionally have a mist drag or miss click or something. That to me is unacceptable. Like. [TS]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Why make it worse. Like to because that is it's making it worse. Why take something that is so good. [TS]
00:34:52 ◼ ► I don't know if it is making it that's what I was getting at with asking about the habits I don't know if it's really [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► making it worse is making it worse for you and for people whose habits are trained on the old one. [TS]
00:35:03 ◼ ► and acting in ways that were appropriate for the old device that are not appropriate for the new one [TS]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and say this is the first time anyone ever use a track by this is the first computer they're ten years old they start [TS]
00:35:18 ◼ ► I'm the that's one aspect of the other aspect that you talk about reliability of like I don't want to missing clicks [TS]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and stuff like that that may be tied or habits but the other aspect of a stick think of like the the i Pod. [TS]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Apple quickly got rid of the ring that actually turns and changed into a ring that does not turn [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► Your finger around the channel and people don't like that either because it was like well yeah. [TS]
00:35:45 ◼ ► but I like the fact that it actually moved now I'm swipe my sweaty finger across plastic that does not move. [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► How is that better. Well you know it's just a reduction in moving parts Apple loves to reduce moving parts. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► It is because like the four sensors there's not a crack it opens up in like a said fingernails can get into food crumbs [TS]
00:36:08 ◼ ► Exerting aside the whole death and battery thing which is you know is a big motivator for this like. [TS]
00:36:12 ◼ ► It is one fewer moving parts and is more uniform. It is like I said the whole surface is equally capital. [TS]
00:36:18 ◼ ► Maybe it'll take a couple versions to figure out the feel. And there. And stuff like that in the reliability. I'm not. [TS]
00:36:25 ◼ ► and I don't know if that's just because your fingers use it I know that it's coming from a mouse trying to use any kind [TS]
00:36:30 ◼ ► I felt like I was you know just completely unable to but I thought it was a huge barrier between me [TS]
00:36:39 ◼ ► and not attracted to me a long time to even become vaguely comp of the track bed and even now. [TS]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and drag something with the trackpad like with a traditional one I have I'm an actual physical buttons [TS]
00:36:49 ◼ ► and behind me tell you that when a lot with the regular button. All of them I feel like a terrible. [TS]
00:36:53 ◼ ► And the for such track but I agree with you it doesn't feel as good to me but I feel like I'm more reliable clicking [TS]
00:37:06 ◼ ► and it is worse for you is no no that's not what I said. I don't dislike it strongly. I just think it's worse. [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► I know you can though you. Even though you think it's worse. I would say. It's definitely worse for you. [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► but I'm willing to believe that it's going to be better for people who aren't used to the all the way [TS]
00:37:23 ◼ ► and I'm even willing to believe that can actually be better for you three or four years from now [TS]
00:37:30 ◼ ► But a mark in your calendar for three years to get from now to ask you how you're feeling stuck trackpad on now. [TS]
00:37:37 ◼ ► Like I get Apple is forward looking and they're saying the same thing with like who's going to use these trackpads. [TS]
00:37:44 ◼ ► You guys are member this but he's that trackballs down there with a button above and below the trackball [TS]
00:37:48 ◼ ► and use the trackball either with your thumb and then with the other thumb on the one of the top button [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► or you use the track. Trackball with your finger with your thumb on the bottom button. [TS]
00:37:57 ◼ ► Some people use a trackball some people like them and they replace that with you know. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Code Name itis the touchpad think you're like Whoa what the hell happened to the trackball this is worse I was much [TS]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and no one is like this track that sucks i wish i had a track ball right so I feel like this is one of those type of [TS]
00:38:24 ◼ ► and what technology moves do in general just because it allows you to make think the Naren lighter [TS]
00:38:28 ◼ ► and there's be with things that slide back and forth against each other and I think it may be perfectly acceptable [TS]
00:38:38 ◼ ► I just I still say the jury's out on this thing. We're going to hear from all the trackball users by the way. [TS]
00:38:45 ◼ ► Some people still use them like they're the big external debt problems they still make them all yet another. [TS]
00:38:50 ◼ ► That's the people who don't understand how mouse works and I'd like to turn it over the ball the sitting down guys. [TS]
00:38:57 ◼ ► I don't know numbers and I thought Paul and I that I guess. I was an expert cleaning mouse balls let me tell you. Yeah. [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► I made to get tweezers. To peel off the big like. Yeah. Get it all in one piece. Yeah. [TS]
00:39:09 ◼ ► If you're if you're lucky Oh come off want these going to scrape it. It's so gross. This is so amazing. [TS]
00:39:17 ◼ ► So yeah so in case we weren't going to get enough email. Let me make it better. Trackpads are barbaric. [TS]
00:39:24 ◼ ► The only one true mobile pointing device is the track point. Period. That is the deal. [TS]
00:39:33 ◼ ► Like an Apple product because I think I agree with you because I had. I had Think Pads from e-bay back forever ago. [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► Before I get myself like a new laptop. I would get like old terrible thing pads on e Bay every couple of years. [TS]
00:39:48 ◼ ► For like three hundred. So I had. I had track points here and there briefly in my younger years and I like them a lot. [TS]
00:40:02 ◼ ► If you know the same way like I thought the sake of Saturn had awesome graphics. When it came out. [TS]
00:40:12 ◼ ► I wonder like do track points still hold up today. Then they never held up it's what it's like flying. [TS]
00:40:22 ◼ ► That's what you're doing with the trackpad you are basically riding on top of the cursor which is a spaceship that you [TS]
00:40:35 ◼ ► and they have one advantage which is it allows you to keep your fingers on the keyboard. [TS]
00:40:48 ◼ ► And it's good to keep everything the same place like that's. That's one advantage. Everything else about it sucks. [TS]
00:40:52 ◼ ► Like as in how quickly can you move the poor cursor toward something that you are interested in all. [TS]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and if you don't know what I'm talking about the track point on a Think Pad was always almost always read if not always [TS]
00:41:11 ◼ ► read. They were also often times put on Dell's among many other manufacturers it's a little nubbin. [TS]
00:41:21 ◼ ► And so you would push a little not in a kind of was basically a little joystick you push a little nubbin you know [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► forwarding back inside side. And there were Mel's buttons. Immediately below the space bar. [TS]
00:41:37 ◼ ► and it was so much more accurate to me then I am on a trackpad even after having a trackpad for the last. [TS]
00:41:43 ◼ ► What eight years or something like that ten years. I still genuinely prefer a track point. [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► In terms of like swiping So for example what are they called now as an exposé now is a Mission Control now though I [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► feel like they're always changing the name but I've lost track Mr control as of a couple years ago. [TS]
00:42:04 ◼ ► This control thing where you can swipe between desktops that I'd use that constantly. And not being able to do that.. [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► What is a three finger swipe not being able to do that three fingers why would absolutely ruined me on a Mac.. [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► But any time I'm on a desktop. Excuse me anytime I'm on a P.C. If there's if it's a P.C. That has a track point. [TS]
00:42:36 ◼ ► But to be fair I think a lot of that is missed all ginned in it's because it's what I grew up on because my dad worked [TS]
00:42:45 ◼ ► And so I've always always always used track points up until I started using Macs and C.S.I. [TS]
00:42:52 ◼ ► Still think the track points the way to go when John you're entitled to your opinion [TS]
00:42:54 ◼ ► and strong as it may be please don't e-mail us do the things you don't have opinions about the things you can test. [TS]
00:42:59 ◼ ► You could have just you know a series of targets you have to get and measure time for. [TS]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Accuracy and like you can actually figure this stuff out for an individual person. [TS]
00:43:08 ◼ ► For people in general if you don't testers like we don't have to destroy any theory that could be tested. [TS]
00:43:12 ◼ ► You know you can also test whether vinyl sounds good or not but when if I ever cared about that had also been done. [TS]
00:43:25 ◼ ► Like a think of where your think of where your scroll wheel is that seems crazy to me it's like you've got a mouse in [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► your hand. Sometimes people just like the something that the do with their fingers. [TS]
00:43:39 ◼ ► and we've been staying away from the various other names for this thing that. Yeah. We're good. We're doing well. [TS]
00:43:45 ◼ ► The other thing I wanted to say is. I happen to think that track points are terrible but as excusing our track points. [TS]
00:43:54 ◼ ► Touchpads are terrible. But as touchpads go. The Apple touchpads are far and away. [TS]
00:44:04 ◼ ► And I think the multi touches a lot to do with that but some me the biggest reason that's true. [TS]
00:44:13 ◼ ► Because maybe it's different recently a newer P.C.'s haven't used a terribly modern P.C. [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► From the trackpads were Heinie they were postage stamps compared to what you get on an apple on an Apple device. [TS]
00:44:30 ◼ ► And that just made it impossible to me it's like Have you ever seen someone to use a mouse on a space that is nowhere [TS]
00:44:39 ◼ ► but use the cell David cell like a mouse pad is there like four inches by four inches right. [TS]
00:44:43 ◼ ► It's not even a mouth bad yeah it's just that we're in so all you hear is the entire time they're using the SO HERE'S [TS]
00:44:51 ◼ ► because they're constantly picking up the damn ounce and putting it back on the table. It's the worst. [TS]
00:44:58 ◼ ► Sale and they don't have a place for the mouse it's like wedged between like the monitor [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► I was like I have a centimeter of slop and so like thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump. [TS]
00:45:09 ◼ ► Get up every three pixels they move the think sometimes they're using it upside down [TS]
00:45:15 ◼ ► That was a big thing back in the early days where people aren't familiar with mice and they would get one. [TS]
00:45:20 ◼ ► And you know there's no clear way you're supposed to use it if you're never using me for so they would turn it around [TS]
00:45:25 ◼ ► so that the wires coming out sort of towards them. And you know the mouse works fine like that it's like inverted Y. [TS]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Axis in a video game right. And they would press the button is a single button double with their palm. [TS]
00:45:35 ◼ ► Left or right side of their palm and some people just got Want to using a mouse like that [TS]
00:45:39 ◼ ► and that was just it that's like that's the way they're going to use now so the rest their life [TS]
00:45:45 ◼ ► and put your fingers over here in the like Oh well like the other way like you get used to inverted why you get used to [TS]
00:46:02 ◼ ► Are you sure those weren't just trackball users that you are misinterpreting as mass. [TS]
00:46:09 ◼ ► Why only separated geographically and over a period of time people who use the mouse upside down. I've never seen that. [TS]
00:46:15 ◼ ► Well I'm with you Casey I I would rather use a a forced tux trackpad on a mac book one. Said to the squishy a setting. [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► I think it's not just the size two it's also I don't know if they're not made of glass. [TS]
00:46:33 ◼ ► Sometimes it's textured plastic or some other kind of plastic that feels bad or like ends up getting like bubbles [TS]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and it just it just feels like the cheapest they never felt in your life compared to like Apple has trial the same [TS]
00:46:45 ◼ ► trajectory they riginal code name I distracted on the first up our book was plasticky and guard. But G.N. Terrible. [TS]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and might just the might distract that was really tiny it was like like the size of the to combine mouse buttons on my [TS]
00:47:02 ◼ ► And Apple does get making the bigger and bigger and bigger and making the button part smaller and smaller [TS]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Manufacturers that you know what are you know sloppy the plastic on here with some cheap sensor hunting that's fine for [TS]
00:47:15 ◼ ► now the only other thing I want to say because I don't pick up to doff enough people yet the seeming. [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► I used to have to click. And I just want to throw it out there. I don't have a problem with it. [TS]
00:47:27 ◼ ► I don't see why everyone so worked up about it. I don't see what the issue is. I don't typically. [TS]
00:47:32 ◼ ► Click by way of tapping. But I can go either way I can swing either way and I'm OK with that. [TS]
00:47:38 ◼ ► Do you do you just using TAP TO CLICK now and with a new thing have you always you know. Always. [TS]
00:47:42 ◼ ► Well then you have no reason to ever complained about missed clicks or accidental quite right. Yourself. [TS]
00:47:51 ◼ ► I think no I think that the quickly I'm not super Andy tactic like. Here's what I think about how to look. [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Like I feel like the expert mode because you don't have to apply a lot of pressure like if you have somehow trained [TS]
00:48:08 ◼ ► And you can walk about the line between putting your finger down into the thing and tapping to click. [TS]
00:48:15 ◼ ► It is more efficient because you don't have to press hard right. But I can know I can't do it. [TS]
00:48:22 ◼ ► Clicks all the time and I try to do I would like to be a tap to click with her but I'm just not right and. [TS]
00:48:30 ◼ ► And they're just that is willing to accept the error rate as just the cost of doing business. [TS]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Because there's more comfortable you don't have to press it hard there is sort of a a luxury [TS]
00:48:39 ◼ ► and a kind of a higher level of user interface like it's one step removed is waving your hands in front of something a [TS]
00:48:45 ◼ ► Minority Report style or with ALS a thing called the track pointy thing. Remember that. [TS]
00:48:50 ◼ ► I actually use that I've attached to my computer is cool the thing where you go and put your hand over the photo bar [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► Why what I think I like i'm application of all you guys all remember. Well anyway. [TS]
00:49:05 ◼ ► So I actually one of the reasons why I think I resist. Tap to click. Is because I secretly want to be a tactic wizard. [TS]
00:49:14 ◼ ► If I was really good at it and really used to it because it does seem like it would be superior if it was perfect. [TS]
00:49:22 ◼ ► And there's lots of time to go I'm using a laptop in bed trying to get some work done before going to sleep [TS]
00:49:30 ◼ ► I would love to you know get like a Magic Trackpad and be able to like to have to click on it comfortably. [TS]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Well pocket you know Celtic I would love that but I just I've tried it here and there for like couple days at a time [TS]
00:49:43 ◼ ► and you could never get into it and it's not that it's not reliable it has a threshold. This is a tab. [TS]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Very often you will find your fingers hitting the pad with enough force to go over that threshold [TS]
00:50:03 ◼ ► or doesn't want to FORCE I considered a click give your resume and last lot I don't [TS]
00:50:10 ◼ ► and you didn't want to buy the by the name of things called Leap Motion on your member. Late motion. [TS]
00:50:14 ◼ ► I think I've heard the name. Go click the link I just put in the chat room and the show not you'll remember it. [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and fun to use in the demo I'm not sure how you could use it to control any piece of software [TS]
00:50:31 ◼ ► You had to we had of them like the show notes I think for this show at some point. [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► What I mean it's pilots possible I don't have that kind of memory but I don't think I've ever seen them [TS]
00:50:40 ◼ ► or heard of a different show meant a lot of hi guys anyway. Take a look at the videos. [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► This is a real thing and the demos like. You can get the stings to confront your mac. [TS]
00:50:49 ◼ ► And do the thing the show on the demo no works like it shows in the demo what I'm just not sure about is like OK can I. [TS]
00:50:55 ◼ ► Is it useful for me to use to control my mouse pointer. Probably not as a useful for gaming. [TS]
00:51:01 ◼ ► Maybe maybe someone can make the game with that there is a lot of noise and kind of buzz in the thing [TS]
00:51:05 ◼ ► and there's a lot of freedom of where you can put your limbs in front of it so there's the potential to be a sort of [TS]
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00:54:24 ◼ ► So Marco it's also about what you think is happening with the i Phone six C. Is that interesting so I don't know. [TS]
00:54:32 ◼ ► So there's been all the everyone speculating that. You know that there we've had the i Phone five C. [TS]
00:54:42 ◼ ► You know everyone's now saying well we hope this fall with a new i Phones come out there's gonna be a sick see every [TS]
00:54:47 ◼ ► kind of expecting it as if it's fact like Oh yeah they're going to be a six seater going to redo the internals [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► and everything and it will be the Sixes guts in a plastic four inch. Inexpensive phone. [TS]
00:54:58 ◼ ► I personally I said on Twitter earlier this week I don't see that happening at all because the simple reason is that we [TS]
00:55:08 ◼ ► We have seen pretty pretty solid healthy amount of parts leaks in the late summer leading up to the fall i Phone really [TS]
00:55:15 ◼ ► is because the fact is the supply chain for making millions and millions of i Phones to be bought all once day one. [TS]
00:55:26 ◼ ► This just like. It is it is very unrealistic to expect that they would have a brand new model of i Phone. [TS]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Even if it isn't the top of the line when they would have a brand new model using a new casing a new parts. [TS]
00:55:38 ◼ ► And those parts. Wouldn't be leaking at all yet. It is possible if I do think it's unlikely. [TS]
00:55:44 ◼ ► And so I think if there was going to be a sixty. There would be some changes to the casing. [TS]
00:55:50 ◼ ► Certainly even if it looked kind of the same. There's always minor variation you know. [TS]
00:55:58 ◼ ► Basically the same but there's a new guts. The the parts are actually different enough. [TS]
00:56:02 ◼ ► Even on the casing that those always leak and those in fact have leaked already for. [TS]
00:56:07 ◼ ► What is called in quotes the i Phone six S. Presumably like the main. I Phone six Update for this fall. [TS]
00:56:14 ◼ ► There have already been leaked parts for that there was a back case there was a screen. [TS]
00:56:24 ◼ ► Plus parts leaks yet why assume there will be one because I'd be weird if there wasn't [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► I would assume based on that then that we're not going to see any new totally new looking extreme cases. [TS]
00:56:38 ◼ ► And they were probably giving the C. I Phone five. And i Phone six C. I think the i Phone five. See. [TS]
00:56:43 ◼ ► Falls out of the lineup or replaces the four S. Which is still for sale today in some markets right isn't that like. [TS]
00:56:51 ◼ ► I think so I don't know I mean I remember when they were saying they were keeping it but only in certain regions [TS]
00:56:58 ◼ ► I think it's probably safe to assume that the that everything basically it was down a step. So you have the five C. [TS]
00:57:06 ◼ ► and a lot of like you know rich countries basically you have the cheapest phone becoming the five S. [TS]
00:57:12 ◼ ► And then you have the old six and six plus maybe at least the old six maybe the six plus who knows. And then. [TS]
00:57:19 ◼ ► The new success and success plus. And that's the lineup. And I don't think there's. [TS]
00:57:23 ◼ ► It doesn't seem like is that hard to predict. And you know maybe there's going to be a new. [TS]
00:57:28 ◼ ► You know Rose gold color people are speculating who knows but I don't think we're going to see a new low end model. [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► Have a lot of really good attributes so obviously the guts are outdated or whatever [TS]
00:57:40 ◼ ► and if you're going to keep a phone like that on the in a lineup you have to change the innards [TS]
00:57:46 ◼ ► but does our talk about likely the do i Pod Touch like oh and eight and a five C. Size case like. [TS]
00:57:52 ◼ ► You could make that into a replacement. Five C. Type phone which would be the old four inch screen. [TS]
00:57:58 ◼ ► The thing that has going for it for the people you can ask someone who owns them why did you get this. [TS]
00:58:01 ◼ ► We all know somebody who is like. And I was developer or otherwise tech nerd who usually gets the best fanciest phone. [TS]
00:58:08 ◼ ► But decided to get a five C. What's so great about the five say. Number one comes in colors. People like colors. [TS]
00:58:14 ◼ ► Just people like them. You want to have a phone with a white back or yellow back or whatever. [TS]
00:58:21 ◼ ► and slap around people like things that come in call if the i Pod taught us anything. [TS]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Number two it's super comfortable nice curved back like the plastic the people who have them in like them. [TS]
00:58:30 ◼ ► Say one of the reasons they like it is it feels especially compared to the stupid five and five S. [TS]
00:58:43 ◼ ► How comfortable it is just a big rectangle is free and what color it is those things matter [TS]
00:58:52 ◼ ► Maybe didn't solve the expectations maybe didn't think it was worth it may be better just keep using the tooling for [TS]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and they are kind of like giving you know over time there have been more and more variations [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► and all the profit in a lot topless point you're getting golden space grain stuff right. [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► Expanding the repertoire of things you can buy. And if Apple wants to segment it's a line. [TS]
00:59:23 ◼ ► You could have a more kind of refined a line of colors but space greying gold and black [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► And then as you go middle or lower have them come in seven hundred different colors right you know. [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► Mark on where you're making our little case with the holes and it was mixing and matching things like that silly. [TS]
00:59:41 ◼ ► They're overpriced. People like to do stuff like that maybe that particular design was ugly and didn't sell well. [TS]
00:59:47 ◼ ► But I really really think that Apple should bring back at some point. Into its lineup of phones. A selection of colors. [TS]
01:00:03 ◼ ► and first of all I should point out that I'm total hypocrite as I'm sitting there saying who the heck ever bought multiple. [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► holy cases for their i Phone five C. S. I also own three Apple watch bands but anyway. [TS]
01:00:20 ◼ ► If you look at the direction Apple's going with their product designs. All of the laptops now. Are metal. [TS]
01:00:26 ◼ ► They've been that way for a long time. They just don't use that as a differentiator anymore they use other things. [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► All the i Pads are metal plastic every step headline. If you look at the i Phone Line. [TS]
01:00:43 ◼ ► It's more comfortable than the five other than it slipping out of your hand don't you feel like the edges at least the [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► Oh yes they are much more comfortable for as long as they're in your hand than they. Fall out. [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I know what you're getting I LIKE THEY GOING FOR ALL metal but I think like metal is a poor fit for all of your phones. [TS]
01:01:03 ◼ ► It may be a poor fit for any of your phone just look at how they struggle with like the antenna lines [TS]
01:01:08 ◼ ► and everything like Oh sure. No but I thought I gree with you however I was saying realistically what they're doing. [TS]
01:01:25 ◼ ► Well what if the rationale was in state they would have actually said this is why we did it. [TS]
01:01:29 ◼ ► But but the quickly suggested rationale was basically your naked robotic core theory of like. [TS]
01:01:41 ◼ ► The smallest and it's like this thing and then you can customize it with cases. To give it either more battery life. [TS]
01:01:52 ◼ ► and I did you know with with the i Phone six this is the first from that I'm constantly isn't a case on because I use [TS]
01:01:59 ◼ ► but it is a valid products try to like I'm not I'm saying that's of wrong thing to do because if. [TS]
01:02:04 ◼ ► If faced with this option this is a great way to go but you're like do whatever you want [TS]
01:02:08 ◼ ► but the case will make a whole bunch of really nice cases. You can buy a bunch of third party cases. [TS]
01:02:12 ◼ ► When you drop your phone when you're doing it when something spills on it when you scratch it. [TS]
01:02:16 ◼ ► Get a new case because all the damage is happening to the case which if you buy from Apple seventy dollars for a letter [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► stuck to plastic but let's ignore that for now. And just say look this is a good plan. [TS]
01:02:30 ◼ ► See I disagree with you there are so what part of the that don't you like. The problem is that if you. [TS]
01:02:36 ◼ ► Let's say you has a naked robotic. You know fish phone in the middle there with the feel like nothing in the bar so OK. [TS]
01:02:43 ◼ ► That phone with. Let's say you want to little bit more battery life. So you buy a battery case. [TS]
01:02:49 ◼ ► A battery case attack to the phone is always going to be bigger and worse. Then just building that in to begin with. [TS]
01:02:57 ◼ ► I agree with you for the battery I'm thinking only for fashion and protection like for. [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► What color do you wanted in and when you want something to be grittier R R soak up next [TS]
01:03:05 ◼ ► or whatever battery you're right because your I mean if you're forced to have two layers there [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► and then all of the stuff like all the people still do it right and I still think it becomes a viable thing. [TS]
01:03:15 ◼ ► But it but it in a fish and I agree with you that basically that the tradeoff that Apple makes [TS]
01:03:20 ◼ ► and its fall in line between centers and battery life we talk about this a million times. [TS]
01:03:23 ◼ ► There is definitely place in line up for for a phone that Apple sells that makes a different trade off the show [TS]
01:03:28 ◼ ► and by the way if your most important thing is you need a really good battery life we sell you one with that as ways [TS]
01:03:33 ◼ ► You know a millimeter of the how we can equate cigarettes these days to give you more about her [TS]
01:03:38 ◼ ► and at this point like the six plus is kind of that model just because got the bigger battery [TS]
01:03:43 ◼ ► Does not offer a phone that's like that so they force you to get these big humpback speaking of humps on things these [TS]
01:03:48 ◼ ► big humpback things that you're right you have to have a layer of plastic of metal. [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► and then it just makes your phone way bigger than it would be a thrill that in but for the color and protection stuff. [TS]
01:04:04 ◼ ► So is selling plastic phones that are comfortable and come out of much a colors. Well but so. [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► and letting you put cases on afterwards because the fact is people are always going to cases on if they want to case [TS]
01:04:39 ◼ ► And there's I think a lot of those people and I think a lot of Apple people. So I just took out my I got my five S. [TS]
01:04:45 ◼ ► Here. M I five S. With no case which is how I used it because it's very comfortable for me with no case. [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► Is thinner and lighter and had my i Phone six. With the big leather case on it. The argument of like the battery. [TS]
01:05:06 ◼ ► and disagreeing with your most recent point where I think things like the nigger but of course as you falls over here. [TS]
01:05:11 ◼ ► Because I think you're better off just making phones. To begin with that can be used without cases. [TS]
01:05:18 ◼ ► And have good battery life. If you want those and if you want to even more battery life. [TS]
01:05:22 ◼ ► And if you want to even bigger grippy or more protective case. Those are options you can add on as well. [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► People always will do that but the basic phone I think needs to be better than what we got with the six. [TS]
01:05:34 ◼ ► I'd say I think that all the phones have been pretty darn slippery right. I did that. [TS]
01:05:38 ◼ ► That is not as a leader who by the way you never actually own the neither one. My wife had a four S. and A five. [TS]
01:05:49 ◼ ► and of course I felt other people ones like you're right the Sixers slipperier a lot of positive with a size change [TS]
01:05:54 ◼ ► like that's why your five and five S. Are lighter because they're smaller phones right. [TS]
01:05:57 ◼ ► Sure but I always like or be phones like I was like a case like silicone or something like that and the leather one. [TS]
01:06:04 ◼ ► I need that proving that you can't build in that group in is because by. By the nature of that grittiness. [TS]
01:06:15 ◼ ► You just can't build that into the phone so you're going to make the fun of something it has to be something that [TS]
01:06:24 ◼ ► Like you'll be terrible to make a megaphone that you buy the basic like the whole back of it is leather. [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► Right but I like the feel of something that a back by letter so it has to be a removable case for that material [TS]
01:06:38 ◼ ► or the five with the metal thing like make it out of a sturdy material that doesn't scratch and doesn't wear out [TS]
01:06:43 ◼ ► and then really subject to abrasion. But also isn't slippery. And that is really difficult to do. [TS]
01:06:51 ◼ ► or for metal are you going to go non-metal material that is nevertheless pretty hard. [TS]
01:07:02 ◼ ► or indicated silicon things because you're just asking for the phone to get ding dumping ugly [TS]
01:07:06 ◼ ► and then it's like oh I can't take this off it's not a case it's part of the phone. How does five US feels great. [TS]
01:07:13 ◼ ► Five us on Twitter I forget some who say on Twitter maybe was a tipster maybe with someone else talking about how Apple [TS]
01:07:19 ◼ ► was having difficulty with that. But the five and the five us. It was it was the five only yet. Because I was I was. [TS]
01:07:27 ◼ ► Where there was a failure and we know what the reason was for it like it apparently got better margins and my. [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► and mass production would they have had similar margins like was it really is that much worth it.. [TS]
01:07:44 ◼ ► And the answer apparently was yes. Because on the fuckin member the five and the five S. [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► The five had had a very very dark black color I think it's called space by whatever is called the five Ascot lighter [TS]
01:07:59 ◼ ► color space great anyway. The black finish. On the five. Shipton flaked off. Really really easily. [TS]
01:08:15 ◼ ► You'd see the bright colored aluminum shining through the plate the black finish where it had like chipped off [TS]
01:08:19 ◼ ► and everything. So apparently that was such a big problem for Apple and getting yields on that and everything.. [TS]
01:08:26 ◼ ► The tipster said that that that was one of the biggest reasons that they switched to the plastic for the five C. [TS]
01:08:35 ◼ ► As the five eggs and went down the line of because any phone they make where they don't do a five C. [TS]
01:08:48 ◼ ► So if there was an issue of like this thing is proving to not a jeweller have too low manufacturing yields. [TS]
01:08:54 ◼ ► It might be worth it for them to switch out the entire casing and redesign the whole thing [TS]
01:08:58 ◼ ► and so that was clearly a contributing factor. Very likely to the five C's distance. But we don't have that now. [TS]
01:09:05 ◼ ► All the talk about yield Otherwise we're talking about and we can't remember back to the cause of the white back. [TS]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Here is the white ones member like where they talk about the yellow talk about as they build this fall [TS]
01:09:16 ◼ ► and he goes on the manufacturing line at some point the manufacturing process as a random sampling of things [TS]
01:09:21 ◼ ► and you look at them as they do does this pass our quality standards and what our standards can [TS]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and not have any next going to has to be uniform color can you know whatever their standards are an Apple standard [TS]
01:09:31 ◼ ► It has to basically be perfect looking to the naked eye and maybe even with magnifying things. [TS]
01:09:36 ◼ ► The ones that aren't perfect it's like rejected like this one came off the line it's a. I Phone five. [TS]
01:09:41 ◼ ► It's black all over except this one little part here if like can often a shiny reject it [TS]
01:09:45 ◼ ► and every time you that it costs you money because you spend less time and you factoring this phone. [TS]
01:09:50 ◼ ► and You don't get to sell that as of on you've got all the parts of the be recycled back when you start over [TS]
01:09:54 ◼ ► and try again so that's what talking about rumors about yields these things all down to what your standards are I think. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► What would your conversation on Twitter was one of the things that was offered was that the way Apple dealt with. [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► Just like to not have not to be rejecting what I don't know what the percentages are and again this is all speculative. [TS]
01:10:14 ◼ ► but these are all things that sound plausible because we know for a fact that all manufacturing has some sort of [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► and we know based on what Apple sells that their quality control processes must be pretty tight because every time you [TS]
01:10:27 ◼ ► It's pretty darn Flyman look at the for can watch like. It's pretty amazing what they do on a massive scale. [TS]
01:10:37 ◼ ► Big bucks because if our yield goes off by just some small percentage or fraction of ascended. [TS]
01:10:43 ◼ ► That's that the big deal to us but setting all that Assad. Colors are cool and five C. Is really comfortable. [TS]
01:10:48 ◼ ► I'm still a big fan of that idea of a phone. If not that specific phone because now the energy or old. [TS]
01:10:55 ◼ ► You know it's funny because on a daily basis I typically have my hands on three different generations of i Phone. [TS]
01:11:01 ◼ ► I have a six I have it in the leather case. I've used cases. Since shoot I think I had one of my four S.. [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► I did not have one of my three G.S. If memory serves. And I had one on my five S. So I am a case kind of guy. [TS]
01:11:17 ◼ ► That being said Marco I completely agree with you that even if I wasn't into cases for my phones. For the six. [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► I would absolutely have had to put one on because I do agree that it is slippy or then than any other. I Phone of and. [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► But anyway on a daily basis I will typically have my six in my hand at some point. [TS]
01:11:36 ◼ ► I'll have errands five S in my hands at some point that's in the Apple leather case just like mine is.. [TS]
01:11:42 ◼ ► And we use my old three G.S. As a white noise machine for Declan when he sleeping. [TS]
01:11:52 ◼ ► Was a you look nice today on loop player for Adam Oh he was sleeping when he was Ipsita Exactly. So. Because of that. [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► I feel like I've I have a pretty good span of several different models and to my hand. The five S. [TS]
01:12:10 ◼ ► Is far and away the most comfortable. I agree with you John that the five C. Is actually more comfortable. [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► So if I were just truly for comfort if I were to pick a new i Phone tomorrow it would be a part of my ideal i Phone. [TS]
01:12:32 ◼ ► That's if you had to hold a vote if you had to start actually looking at the screen. Completely agree. [TS]
01:12:38 ◼ ► I still think the six plus is a little bit freakishly large but maybe if I had one I would change my tune. [TS]
01:12:44 ◼ ► What's interesting is so. I know this is very very unlikely. It's almost certain not to happen in this revision. [TS]
01:12:54 ◼ ► Or for any i Phone just because of the nature but what I would love is. If the the D.L.C. Space Black Watch finish. [TS]
01:13:07 ◼ ► It would probably have to be made of stainless steel I don't I don't know if this could bond to illuminate in the [TS]
01:13:11 ◼ ► correct way. But. So obviously this is a massive stretch of the imagination. But if you could do it. [TS]
01:13:18 ◼ ► If you could have the stainless steel D.L.C. Coding from the space Black Watch on a phone. [TS]
01:13:27 ◼ ► and I don't care if you could do that that I think would be perfect because Elmo is going to have your virtual heap. [TS]
01:13:43 ◼ ► and it kind of feels like it's almost like a rock wrapped in vinyl kind of feeling. [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► It does not feel like slippery metal. It is a little bit tackier it's a little bit more friction. [TS]
01:13:53 ◼ ► It almost feels like plastic. Yeah. That would be amazing. I completely agree. Or like to make it out of plastic. [TS]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Yes So probably not going to happen because of the materials and cost involved but wait. [TS]
01:14:18 ◼ ► You called it weighed like want to make it out of one of the big cylinder you have the Hudson. [TS]
01:14:22 ◼ ► Yeah you make a tungsten foam. The very small cylinder I have that's heavier than that book one. Good grief. [TS]
01:14:27 ◼ ► All right I do have some questions about upgrade cycles and some other things but anything else. [TS]
01:14:34 ◼ ► It's about the hardware and what may or may not happen in a couple months. Actually next month. In theory. [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► Well you make these predictions on Twitter like I totally think this is going to be and [TS]
01:14:48 ◼ ► when it comes time to the bad guys like me not to think is going to be either you don't because I'm I'm not ready to [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► make this prediction but you seem very sure. Well what happens is I make these predictions on Twitter. [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► And then between the time I make these projections on Twitter and now we record the pod cast. [TS]
01:15:05 ◼ ► I've had hundreds of people tell me I'm an idiot I'm wrong. So then I do some self doubt but. My theory here is. [TS]
01:15:13 ◼ ► I don't think that we're that we're going to lose the sixteen sixty four one twenty eight split on the high end models [TS]
01:15:19 ◼ ► now. I think that's I think that's going to be here for at least one more year. So. [TS]
01:15:23 ◼ ► Sixteen gigs for going to keep going on that. And I just think you know everything else like the like the the. [TS]
01:15:30 ◼ ► The existing six and if the six plus days which I actually predict six plus won't stay in the lineup [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► Basically what it did this past year where the six that we have today moves down a slot. [TS]
01:15:44 ◼ ► Becomes available in sixteen and maybe thirty two. Because right now right now the. The five S. [TS]
01:15:50 ◼ ► Is available in sixteen and thirty two. So maybe they would do that again. And then the existing five S. [TS]
01:15:56 ◼ ► That we have today is sixteen. Only. And then the. What's below that. No that's just the five C. The five C. [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► Right now is only eight right. I think that's right. So God I hope the five S. Doesn't go to eight. [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► She's they've got to stop doing that. Nothing's going to. Leave. I'm still holding out hope for a thirty two. [TS]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but I don't see it happening on Fortunately some someone want an argument very like you don't need any more apps an NG [TS]
01:16:30 ◼ ► I'm slicing. Yeah I mean if you look at least you know the direction that they're taking with so many I.O.'s nine. [TS]
01:16:39 ◼ ► You know part of that obviously that they have a lot of phones out there already the in the installed base that have [TS]
01:16:43 ◼ ► sixteen or even eight gigs of of space which is really unfortunate and really tight and really stingy. [TS]
01:16:49 ◼ ► They they have a lot of phones out there that have those capacities already. And they're going to. [TS]
01:16:56 ◼ ► So that's a problem that they that they were trying to solve but if you look at all these like app then [TS]
01:17:04 ◼ ► They're also promoting happening very heavily to send out a bulk email about it today and her universe to use it [TS]
01:17:13 ◼ ► All this stuff so they are clearly they are clearly laying the foundation for a world in which tiny capacity i OS [TS]
01:17:23 ◼ ► Basically I know I feel like you know there is a reason for them to do all that was like you said all existing devices [TS]
01:17:32 ◼ ► but I I fear someone also use that to explain why we have to continue making sixteen gig devices in this next round [TS]
01:17:40 ◼ ► and why we don't have to make thirty two. Totally agreed. Wish I could have been there and said. [TS]
01:17:44 ◼ ► You're well from what I've heard from from people here and there. What I've heard. Which has no credibility whatsoever. [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► Is that it is very very hard to convince the people at Apple who matter like about things like this to convince them to [TS]
01:18:01 ◼ ► spend the extra couple of bucks on the bill of materials to get the bigger RAM chip or to get the bigger. [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► and there are some tradeoffs to like you know with ram ram use battery life so I would like you know there are some [TS]
01:18:16 ◼ ► chaos there but a lot of things just come down to making sure they have very very healthy margins [TS]
01:18:23 ◼ ► and just Time marches on it's like alright I understand you have reasons for but eventually. [TS]
01:18:28 ◼ ► You know you got it and it's like addicts kicking and screaming dragging their feet [TS]
01:18:31 ◼ ► and leaving bumping the capacity is like you have the capacity of the Can we cut out thirty to make keep sixteen yeah [TS]
01:18:36 ◼ ► let's do that that Oh that will make me feel better for the fact that I gave you the larger capacity that we put two [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► gigs of RAM in the i Pad three kind just kind of get rid of the thirty doing good sixteen to money money money. [TS]
01:18:51 ◼ ► Downsides like that look at our customers that what long term downs out there talking about [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► But we all know from seeing the experiences like that that it's like tiny little nicks of doubt [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and damage for the person who can't lie can't upgrade because their phone is full of like I will fix that it's all for [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Well we'll figure out more gracefully handle when you run out of store. Like all these things are good to do. [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► But another thing you can do is stop selling sixteen gig phones. That's nothing you can do. [TS]
01:19:21 ◼ ► And eventually you have to eventually you have to like you have to venture stop selling ates you're going to much like [TS]
01:19:29 ◼ ► You know I don't want to have to use my argument again which doesn't have a name that we've agreed upon [TS]
01:19:32 ◼ ► but has a like twenty seventy five sixteen gig. I've always find we did up the name some. [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► And it's just a matter of arguing over what year it's going to be and I feel like the year. [TS]
01:19:44 ◼ ► I want to be is like two to three years ever than the year Apple wants it to be so we should. [TS]
01:19:49 ◼ ► So what kind of time scale we would need to to get that you just need them to agree that that is going to happen. [TS]
01:19:56 ◼ ► And then make them take which year it's going to happen it. Yeah you agree with me this technique will go away. [TS]
01:20:09 ◼ ► but ask me again next year we'll have in the year after that and you just keep going [TS]
01:20:12 ◼ ► and then eventually you're seventy five years out and like look we're all dead now [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► and you still think the basic need bones like I just scans to have the margins. Can't do it. Yeah. [TS]
01:20:20 ◼ ► Well because you know if you think about like. You know the i Phones for Apple's financials point of view. [TS]
01:20:26 ◼ ► You know from the stock and from you know their their fans will perform and everything. [TS]
01:20:33 ◼ ► and anything that drives up the average selling price of i Phones. Is a pretty big deal to them. It's. [TS]
01:20:40 ◼ ► It's a huge deal for for their money it's a huge deal for Tim Cook's evaluation like by the market and the press [TS]
01:20:56 ◼ ► but those people the people who want that stuff to be perfect. They win the arguments they say. Well sure. Yes. [TS]
01:21:07 ◼ ► or wants us to know they didn't actually decrease their stance they do is increase their standards earlier in their [TS]
01:21:11 ◼ ► production process to not let those cases end up being a bleed or. Those people win their arguments. [TS]
01:21:23 ◼ ► Look at those huge margins but they don't do that why because they want to make the best products they can. [TS]
01:21:28 ◼ ► And I feel like at this point. Selling phones for one hundred or two hundred dollars. [TS]
01:21:37 ◼ ► Of flash storage is making your products worse for people in a way that is avoidable. With not too much. You know. [TS]
01:21:45 ◼ ► Wouldn't hurt your margins that much in the same way. Like if you need to trade off. [TS]
01:21:49 ◼ ► Maybe find a way to make it out of cheaper easier to my I think they did that I think a six Plus it's easier to [TS]
01:21:55 ◼ ► manufacture this curve piece of aluminum than it was to manufacture the five in the five S. [TS]
01:21:59 ◼ ► With little chamfered edges it seems like I don't know any minute accurate it seems to me. [TS]
01:22:04 ◼ ► So that use some of that money that you saved making easier to manufacture case that either to get the pass he way. [TS]
01:22:17 ◼ ► But it's it's not about saving the you know five or ten bucks whatever the cost is of the flash chip in. [TS]
01:22:32 ◼ ► Who wouldn't have done that if the base model was thirty two. Yeah you're right I know it comes out the money. [TS]
01:22:38 ◼ ► Like there's always going to like well they're really sensitive money is a big prog line any small change in a device [TS]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and he writes the anchoring it's like well I don't want to sixteen is my only other choice is sixty four [TS]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and they can charge more for sixty four sixty or so much bigger than sixty eight like all that stuff is all true. [TS]
01:23:03 ◼ ► That is going to give them a less satisfactory experience a spec. That will just get worse over time. [TS]
01:23:09 ◼ ► That will make them. Have bad feelings about you or your products. I agree but Apple has always done that. [TS]
01:23:15 ◼ ► They've always had like you know very low RAM configurations unlike the base model laptops [TS]
01:23:19 ◼ ► and stuff like that they came out of that I felt like they got over that like it was a really dark time where like you [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► You know three thousand dollar mac come standard was an obscenely small amount of RAM It might as well be empty. [TS]
01:23:36 ◼ ► And by the way if you don't buy your Rams from us and void the warranty and like. Those are the bad old days. [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► when I started soldering RAM on the board that's one of the best things that happen to them Ram was because they were [TS]
01:23:50 ◼ ► It's a prolapsed up but we put solder on the board for gigs. And you can expand it. [TS]
01:23:55 ◼ ► Like so they were forced to pick say numbers are I think that was a plus the flash. [TS]
01:23:59 ◼ ► And i Phones is that their new area of backsliding made us feel like we can get away with it for just way too long. [TS]
01:24:09 ◼ ► But there's there are there are it's ramifications I mean what Todd has some ideas that are now. What is the fall. [TS]
01:24:19 ◼ ► You know in our handle even given that sixty and find you get a pass on that one but this year. [TS]
01:24:23 ◼ ► I really really really hope in the top of the line product doesn't even go down to sixteen. [TS]
01:24:27 ◼ ► And that there's definitely a thirty two. You want to bet. I would not bet against that because I think it's about. [TS]
01:24:32 ◼ ► At least a fifty fifty chance that you're right and that it's going to go down to sixteen [TS]
01:24:36 ◼ ► but I just I just really you know. If only just because like that's the phones that they're making like. I'll bet. [TS]
01:24:42 ◼ ► I'll bet you a sixteen gig S.D. Card that. This is that the base model and things like seen. I would not take that bet. [TS]
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01:27:50 ◼ ► Once again. I have a couple of questions about upgrading. So last year I was off cycle but I treated myself. [TS]
01:28:11 ◼ ► This was on a team to be this year Aaron is unequivocal the due for a new phone her five S. [TS]
01:28:17 ◼ ► Is two years old or will be two years old it is her time. We'll see if I can convince her slash me. [TS]
01:28:28 ◼ ► But my understanding and I have not really had any time to look into this you have a minor standing is eighteen T. [TS]
01:28:33 ◼ ► and Most of the other carriers have largely done away with the subsidy. And two year contract. [TS]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Dance that has been going on for forever and a day. Do you guys happen to know anything about how this is working. [TS]
01:28:48 ◼ ► Man I tried to bring research before the show. Because I've also heard the same thing that. [TS]
01:28:53 ◼ ► Apparently in Apple stores this fall if you buy the phone there an Apple store. Apparently. [TS]
01:29:01 ◼ ► or that they you have to do these like eight hundred next type plans were like you pay per month. [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Months and which by the way is apparently like how the entire rustler world works and is like. [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► It's the more sane way to do it is the the less manipulative waves Oh the waiving the price now is to fool you into. [TS]
01:29:20 ◼ ► You know you're not good you people's brains aren't good religion exactly how much money they're paying over the X. [TS]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and don't want to do the math to figure out you know what you're actually paying more so I'm kind of baffled as to why [TS]
01:29:36 ◼ ► they're changing it because the Voodoo of that pricing. Works really well may be competitive pressure from. [TS]
01:29:47 ◼ ► You know because the underdog the crappy carriers the don't have good coverage that are trying to customers like a we [TS]
01:29:52 ◼ ► have honest pricing and you can do math and figure out how it works and Bob Law. To try to attract customers. [TS]
01:29:57 ◼ ► Maybe that's putting some pressure on eighteen timber Aizen But honestly it's a mystery to me why they would. [TS]
01:30:03 ◼ ► Why they would go from a confusing pricing plan that makes people feel like they're not paying a lot [TS]
01:30:07 ◼ ► but really they are to a pricing plan that is initially more often because you see the real costs. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► But it actually more fatter. Fair and understandable in the long term. But one thing's for sure. [TS]
01:30:22 ◼ ► I think having the i Phone being compared on an subsidized pricing at any level even if you try to. [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► Will be twenty five dollars a month more on the i Phone six will be twenty dollars a month more you know they've even [TS]
01:30:48 ◼ ► Give the fact also like it was Aren't the carrier is doing this cross all their phones or just for the i Phone. [TS]
01:31:00 ◼ ► and some phones already are cheaper than Apple's. I think it will greatly help. Things like like one of the. [TS]
01:31:08 ◼ ► but they though they've always been cheaper they've always been like the free with contract phone or whatever like. [TS]
01:31:12 ◼ ► I guess it depends on like how much bigger are Apple subsidies than they are for the basically comparable phones for [TS]
01:31:22 ◼ ► The pricing on the box is that in some alike it's you know one ninety nine to get you into the best Samsung Galaxy S. [TS]
01:31:32 ◼ ► And the only difference maybe will actually behind the scenes even though the that. [TS]
01:31:35 ◼ ► The list price for you is one ninety nine plus. You know two year contract. Behind the scenes. [TS]
01:31:40 ◼ ► The carriers are paying Apple way more than they're paying Samsung and so once that becomes visible suddenly. [TS]
01:31:44 ◼ ► It's not one ninety nine versus one ninety I actually a much bigger number for the i Phone. [TS]
01:31:56 ◼ ► but I think it hurt everybody across the board because people don't want to see the real fight. [TS]
01:32:01 ◼ ► The real price of their their smartphone I mean I guess we get used to because like you said that's how the rest the [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► world kind of does it and it's still kind of hidden you know it's like plus X. Number of mounts per month for X. [TS]
01:32:10 ◼ ► and they'll still be enough multiplication to stop people from doing it as opposed to like basically buying on lock [TS]
01:32:15 ◼ ► phone like OK. You made twelve hundred dollars of the hell it is for the unlocking I was not you. [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► Twelve telephones like you are used don't know it right. And the other problem is in the US. [TS]
01:32:32 ◼ ► And these these plans have been like these pay every month things have been around for about a year or two now [TS]
01:32:40 ◼ ► So up until now if you if you're on the big carriers basically eighty of rising in the US. [TS]
01:32:50 ◼ ► Your bill doesn't go down like once your phone is like quote paid off from for the contract. [TS]
01:32:57 ◼ ► And so you basically had a reason to go into the phone store and pick out a new phone for quote free. Every two years. [TS]
01:33:08 ◼ ► There was no new cost to you to do that because you were paying for a subsidy whether you were using it [TS]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I think you're right John like you know this is two sided one is Apple could be vulnerable to people get having cheaper [TS]
01:33:29 ◼ ► but you're right if everybody is that now I think people will expect their phones to last longer than two years. [TS]
01:33:36 ◼ ► And they won't upgrade as frequently. Because the whole the entire the entire smartphone business. [TS]
01:33:41 ◼ ► The reason why Apple is never going to find another thing like the i Phone is never going to be like the next great [TS]
01:34:06 ◼ ► Have been so heavily subsidized over the years that not only is everybody buying these expensive devices [TS]
01:34:12 ◼ ► and they could have these high. Behind the scenes pricing to know what I was seeing them. [TS]
01:34:20 ◼ ► People take their phones way more often than they would update their computers or any [TS]
01:34:23 ◼ ► or any other like five hundred dollar life trying to devise or more. You know people to their phones every. [TS]
01:34:30 ◼ ► Some like that for most of the world was a guess partly because phones are at the point where they're getting we're in [TS]
01:34:36 ◼ ► the high the early phase of smartphones like every new phone is better in some significant way [TS]
01:34:40 ◼ ► and eventually that will start slowing down just like it did with feces. Maybe but this. [TS]
01:34:54 ◼ ► And i Pod touch with an eight inside and the great screen and everything is two hundred bucks and. That same device. [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► You know a near monopoly on all the stupid cell towers and infrastructure and the barrier to entry to everyone else [TS]
01:35:21 ◼ ► and all that other crap like why is that. Why are they able to charge us so much money like. [TS]
01:35:28 ◼ ► but even though they're feeling the pressure of the place where there are competition there is enough pressure to drive [TS]
01:35:33 ◼ ► and a lot of the read you know like oh it has been so subsidize who's subsidizing it who is doing it it's the carriers [TS]
01:35:38 ◼ ► because they know the total lifetime value of the customer is huge because they're going to get some massive monthly [TS]
01:35:43 ◼ ► bill the people to be like are at I.D.S. I just gotta pay one hundred dollars a month for my health family or more Q. [TS]
01:35:52 ◼ ► So who is subsidizing this carries like Alright fine Apple will pay you seven hundred dollars good you know the [TS]
01:35:57 ◼ ► lifetime value of the customers huge because like you said you know you get huge bill it's monthly. [TS]
01:36:04 ◼ ► If you're lucky you have limited or no competition in your area for or maybe like one other company [TS]
01:36:10 ◼ ► or two other companies that you can maybe collude with unless the two team mobile in their thorn in your side you know [TS]
01:36:14 ◼ ► like that or maybe ever I was in your network of mediocre but everyone thinks of the best [TS]
01:36:19 ◼ ► Well it's better is better than to Mobile's right and you know and the barrier to entry is high [TS]
01:36:24 ◼ ► And so that should start to work itself out hopefully that they can just continue to charge huge amounts [TS]
01:36:31 ◼ ► and if they can't charge huge amounts of a lifetime custom value of it of a customer is not as high so they can't. [TS]
01:36:41 ◼ ► or not like a new I don't understand enough about this change in pricing to understand what's motivating it [TS]
01:36:57 ◼ ► Yeah I generally feel the same way like I am maybe the carriers are trying to take away some of the power of Apple [TS]
01:37:08 ◼ ► but I definitely think that this is most likely to lead to longer Phone upgrade cycles. [TS]
01:37:14 ◼ ► Which is bad for both of those and lower monthly bills. I think you can be a power struggle. [TS]
01:37:21 ◼ ► Make sense to me because I think you know you were always on the Apple who made more demands of the carriers. [TS]
01:37:35 ◼ ► That they've made more demands and one of those more demands as you're going to pass a higher subsidy. [TS]
01:37:39 ◼ ► And they would like well you know and we you know I'd put your crapware on our phones and all the stuff [TS]
01:37:44 ◼ ► and from the caris perspective I think I like Android phones better because they have more power over the Android [TS]
01:37:49 ◼ ► phones and as far as they're concerned like I'm in care of the crappy calling use. [TS]
01:37:53 ◼ ► So for a cat from a carriage perspective it's better if you buy one of their cheaper crappier phones they get to put [TS]
01:37:59 ◼ ► their crapware on. They don't care if you. You know buy a new one of those don't buy a new one like whatever. [TS]
01:38:06 ◼ ► I think if you like from Caris perspective they would be happier if people use cheaper crappier phones [TS]
01:38:11 ◼ ► but just continued to pay the high. Same high monthly bills. You know. It's better for them. [TS]
01:38:16 ◼ ► Then having to deal with Apple in all its demands not being able to put their crapware on it [TS]
01:38:20 ◼ ► and having to pay them a bigger subsidy than everybody else because every one of the Stupid i Phone. And so yeah that. [TS]
01:38:29 ◼ ► and tireless sure it's not the carrier shooting themselves in the foot because it seems like as demanding as Apple is [TS]
01:38:38 ◼ ► and so they really need to just like continue to smush apple into an ever smaller slice of the pie I don't know. [TS]
01:38:44 ◼ ► Well but Apple Apple still has a lot of power in that people are willing to switch carriers for i Phones and. [TS]
01:39:00 ◼ ► If Apple decides not to work with your carrier anymore that's kind of bad news for your carrier. Yeah. [TS]
01:39:05 ◼ ► I guess that's true and you know Apple customers have a lot of money because the phones are expensive [TS]
01:39:09 ◼ ► and so maybe the good customers who can pay for your fancy are plans for you over charge of them from our band with [TS]
01:39:15 ◼ ► that really doesn't cost you much more and. I don't know what do you really think that Apple would say to a T. and T. [TS]
01:39:26 ◼ ► Like there's no freakin way that Apple would do that they might threaten it or allude to threatening. [TS]
01:39:33 ◼ ► Hell they were on eighteenth only for real on time which if you look at your like boy. [TS]
01:39:38 ◼ ► Seriously Apple still eighteen The only like when is the Verizon i Phone coming you know and well [TS]
01:39:46 ◼ ► Marco was absolutely right that back then Verizon really was the only network that really freaking worked. And so. [TS]
01:39:56 ◼ ► or excuse me Apple couldn't put the squeeze to rising like they did eighteen to Apple held out Verizon had to leverage [TS]
01:40:02 ◼ ► it seems like Apple should have been forced to come over to arise and even sooner because Apple because their eyes [TS]
01:40:07 ◼ ► and had all the leverage were the best network you're on that crappy hurting you in the press you should totally come [TS]
01:40:16 ◼ ► What Apple ever even threatened to pull out of like you know eighteen to or whatever. No way I think. [TS]
01:40:28 ◼ ► and also I just want to quickly underscore what Marco said earlier. I have in this actually a kind of good transition. [TS]
01:40:34 ◼ ► I have a Verizon. I Pad Mini the original Retina i Pad mini. I love to say my retina Pad Mini came with a rising sim. [TS]
01:40:44 ◼ ► But I got eighteen mobile SIM after the fact and I'll flip back and forth between them. [TS]
01:41:07 ◼ ► I really don't think that's true at all I would even go so far as to say I think a teensy service is actually more [TS]
01:41:17 ◼ ► So I just wanted to say amen to that I agree with you sort of people telling the world however I totally agree I do the [TS]
01:41:27 ◼ ► and I had Verizon data sticks for a while after that and then I started tethering and then and then I got her eyes [TS]
01:41:33 ◼ ► and i Pads. And so I've had an eighteenth the phone and Verizon data devices for a very long time now. [TS]
01:41:45 ◼ ► Used to be the best network and I think they are they have banked on that with their reputation for so long. [TS]
01:41:50 ◼ ► So they still have the best coverage in the US anyway just in terms of like total square miles of where you can get a [TS]
01:41:55 ◼ ► decent signal. I think they might. But. But a T. and T. Has closed that gap so much like that right now. [TS]
01:42:01 ◼ ► There are places like those don't have a team to reception. But they don't have rising reception either. [TS]
01:42:06 ◼ ► You know certain places of a state that they have neither. They have no kit no carriers. [TS]
01:42:10 ◼ ► And that's fine it's been a very long time since I found a place for eight hundred he is not covered but rise and as [TS]
01:42:17 ◼ ► and the opposite. Where I have tried to use Verizon data. Somewhere. And it has like one circle and is unusable. [TS]
01:42:24 ◼ ► And then I'd go to trade T.N.T. and It's like three circles and perfectly usable and fast. That happens a lot like. [TS]
01:42:31 ◼ ► I really think that Verizon for whatever reason I don't know if there's if there's a radio theory. [TS]
01:42:36 ◼ ► The to back this up or of this is just coincidence. Verizon seems to really suck at indoor coverage. [TS]
01:42:47 ◼ ► This is always been a problem like people rave about how how much their Verizon phones are great right is the best [TS]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Be great to be going to a grocery store than all the call drops already data doesn't work anymore like it has always [TS]
01:43:03 ◼ ► been the problem happened for eyes and I have. Members and friends who still have rising today. [TS]
01:43:10 ◼ ► Has really the best thing that ever happened eighty and he was Verizon i Phones coming out. [TS]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Like eighteen T.'s network has been rock solid for me for the last I would say at least three years of before that it [TS]
01:43:31 ◼ ► Eighteen T.'s network has been awesome for me with tethering it with travel all sorts of different places with voice. [TS]
01:43:36 ◼ ► Everything has been solid and Verizon. The Verizon devices I've had. I have been only. [TS]
01:43:43 ◼ ► I've only seen mediocrity from them. The Verizon people I know who use it on their phones. [TS]
01:43:48 ◼ ► They keep complaining what the same mediocre problems that I die always had with rising back in the day and. [TS]
01:43:54 ◼ ► I don't think I will buy any more Verizon devices because my original the original reason I I would buy a rise in i [TS]
01:44:02 ◼ ► What if I'm somewhere where eighteen he doesn't cover very well but rising covers a better. [TS]
01:44:06 ◼ ► And it used to be the case if it was like when I would travel to San Francisco for D.V.C. I would use. [TS]
01:44:10 ◼ ► Like I could use the faster one for tethering. And that one was usually Verizon one back in the day when L.T.E. [TS]
01:44:16 ◼ ► Was first coming out and everything that was the Verizon one in the last two years I would say. [TS]
01:44:22 ◼ ► The Verizon one has never been the faster one. Not once like it. Every time I try. [TS]
01:44:26 ◼ ► Like I always and if you can go back to phones away faster. So I think I'm done buying for eyes and stuff. [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► Yeah I agree with you and I know that there are people that are listening right now they are saying oh [TS]
01:44:42 ◼ ► What the hell's the opposite of rural urban. Thank you God I had a total brain fart there. Anyway. [TS]
01:44:47 ◼ ► Completely urban or completely rural Verizon is the only one that works you all are crazy. [TS]
01:44:51 ◼ ► I'm sure there are parts of the country that that's true. Well that's what I'm getting I guess we don't. [TS]
01:44:55 ◼ ► We don't go to the whole country. We go to like or five spots in the country right. So I'm sorry. [TS]
01:45:02 ◼ ► Even if those five spots a city city rural city it's still entirely possible to Vera's I'm still has the best coverage [TS]
01:45:09 ◼ ► Every square mile the country and check a signal strength great Indian Verisign that arise and still covers. [TS]
01:45:15 ◼ ► Like that has always been a thing with rise and not necessarily that is always the fastest connection but that. [TS]
01:45:22 ◼ ► You can get horizon signal or a strong of arise in say one more place of the Indian eighty eight I was a teen [TS]
01:45:28 ◼ ► I'm assuming they've been building out on the population centers for New York City San Francisco or whatever [TS]
01:45:35 ◼ ► but I'm like I don't know I know I'm in kind of a cell phone dead area the only thing I know is a team mobile gets crap [TS]
01:45:40 ◼ ► signal here. And that I can actually receive phone calls inside my house with Verizon. [TS]
01:45:47 ◼ ► But I'm still entirely willing to believe that Verizon still has better overall coverage. [TS]
01:45:52 ◼ ► And then it just boils down to OK but I don't go in the whole country I go to the seven places [TS]
01:46:02 ◼ ► or thing I think Mosconi must have some kind of a rising repeater because I get crazy good signal there [TS]
01:46:06 ◼ ► and I hear you see deep inside the bals of that building. Through like many layers of. [TS]
01:46:13 ◼ ► or whatever don't you get all summarises maybe you don't use resonate more well I get also maintained he coverage in [TS]
01:46:22 ◼ ► I don't I don't you go I fly the more user eyes and Ollie and I get great signal fast download speed. [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► So I don't you know again I don't like Verizon week indoors type of thing whatever is going on is the feeling that we [TS]
01:46:38 ◼ ► But anyway the one the one of the thing I want to talk about that was probably rap is. I kind of cracked. [TS]
01:46:45 ◼ ► The screen on my beloved. I Pad mini. When I was at the beach. Holding it I didn't drop it. It was in my beach bag. [TS]
01:46:53 ◼ ► My book bag. And I guess I had for whatever reason maybe Declan had an issue or whatever I didn't flap. [TS]
01:47:00 ◼ ► The Smart Cover close. And so there's this little hairline In fact I thought it was a hair. [TS]
01:47:15 ◼ ► Right where the edge of the battery indicator is when you're holding in portrait in the portrait right side up. [TS]
01:47:21 ◼ ► Orientation. Ruined. It's ruined. It's absolutely freakin ruined. So I don't know I genuinely don't know. [TS]
01:47:33 ◼ ► And the camera and a whole bunch other junk in that we were to that we'd taken down to the beach. [TS]
01:47:43 ◼ ► or threw something into the back I genuinely don't know you are we all know that I fess up [TS]
01:47:51 ◼ ► I genuinely don't know what happened it must of been my fault some way but I don't know what happened. [TS]
01:47:57 ◼ ► And so the reason I bring this up is because it was about time to upgrade the i Pad anyway. [TS]
01:48:05 ◼ ► For the i Pad and saws probably going to get a new one but now I'm definitely going to get a new one. Well. [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► I really happen to like having cellular. I Pads. I understand that most people tether. And that works for them. [TS]
01:48:25 ◼ ► I understand that I could probably save money and it doesn't matter blah blah blah. [TS]
01:48:29 ◼ ► This is the way it is this is what I'm dealing with this is a choice I'm making. So I'm going to get. [TS]
01:48:43 ◼ ► And that I genuinely don't know the answer to is my understanding of this having not really paid much attention last [TS]
01:48:49 ◼ ► couple years. Is that a cellular i Pads have the apple sim in. And what I'm not clear on is. [TS]
01:48:57 ◼ ► My recollection when they first came out was that once you committed to any of the carriers. [TS]
01:49:02 ◼ ► You're locked to that carrier on that Apple sim. So your device could choose between Verizon or T. [TS]
01:49:11 ◼ ► Is do you guys have to know is that true. Or can you flip flop willingly. No idea. I have heard the same thing as you. [TS]
01:49:28 ◼ ► That describes how this works I'm assuming Rene Ritchie has something somewhere and I just don't realize it. [TS]
01:49:33 ◼ ► I would love to see it so it's a nice tweet or some like that because what the reason I bring this up is. [TS]
01:49:38 ◼ ► I like I said I bounce back and forth between T.-Mo and Verisign I find that T. Mobiles coverage doesn't suck. [TS]
01:49:48 ◼ ► And so it's much faster than Verizon and oftentimes much more reliable for than Verisign. [TS]
01:49:54 ◼ ► When you're in a metro center that actually has two mobile service you know one of the through three areas of the [TS]
01:50:06 ◼ ► I don't know if that would still be the case in a brand new i Pad but I'd love it to be the case. [TS]
01:50:20 ◼ ► and maybe the answer is if Verizon is the only thing that that locks maybe I do what market was alluding to earlier [TS]
01:50:29 ◼ ► But if there is some clear documentation somewhere that I can read. I would love to. [TS]
01:50:33 ◼ ► I would love to read it so please a semi a tweet. And let me now I'd really love to see it. [TS]
01:50:41 ◼ ► Sam and swapping that in and out or getting a second apples in a pride I will tell you a second apple symposia right. [TS]
01:50:47 ◼ ► Oh I didn't know that yes Martin chats with only five bucks I don't know if that's true or not [TS]
01:50:55 ◼ ► On it is probably the right choice and you could probably add your phone plan for some minimal cost per month. [TS]
01:51:03 ◼ ► You might as well swap since it's just you know just to be safe without the new avoid this entire problem. [TS]
01:51:09 ◼ ► Yet told I actually genuinely did not realize that that you could pop a different same [TS]
01:51:16 ◼ ► Because I really haven't had to pay attention this because I wasn't planning on getting I'd had until this year [TS]
01:51:26 ◼ ► and maybe we'll have some follow up about it since I know John you're probably very sad about the lack of follow up [TS]
01:51:31 ◼ ► this week. Thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Harry's and hover. [TS]
01:51:37 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be because it was accidental. [TS]
01:51:48 ◼ ► It was accidental. John. The mom going to be seen with him. Because it was then a little dental was accidental. [TS]
01:52:02 ◼ ► And you can find shelter nom de de de da. And if you aren't there. And he was no says. [TS]
01:52:26 ◼ ► Let's take the risk you learn just ARE BEING thing about an extended family member on vacation this year. [TS]
01:52:45 ◼ ► Oh you know I am related to somebody who is using. And I was device with a completely cracked and shout and scream. [TS]
01:52:53 ◼ ► We've seen them in real life you see people's that in their you know if they're swiping the if on long their smartphone. [TS]
01:52:58 ◼ ► And you look closer and you realize the thing is a spider web. Hell cracks through the whole thing. Right. [TS]
01:53:11 ◼ ► or they're going to put a piece of packing tape over to say you know what I'm not going to use it like this until my [TS]
01:53:15 ◼ ► contract expires in a year and a half and they just do. And you wonder like eventually will they will lose. [TS]
01:53:20 ◼ ► They're going to slice their finger open on that is this a permanent state of being go they get annoyed trying to look [TS]
01:53:26 ◼ ► through the cracks where the refraction makes a little image messed up or whatever. [TS]
01:53:31 ◼ ► And now I'm related to someone who was doing that I could not I could not convince them to pay the ninety nine dollars [TS]
01:53:41 ◼ ► So they're just going to keep using it like that until I don't know until they stop using it. [TS]
01:53:47 ◼ ► Speaking of to do you guys know how much it is to get the. I Pad mini screen replaced. Not worth it. [TS]
01:53:52 ◼ ► Probably more than ninety nine to the obviously this is this once I got a phone sized of us was I can tell you like. [TS]
01:53:58 ◼ ► So my. My kids I've had has a cracked screen it's a very small crack but it is a crack. And so we listen. [TS]
01:54:12 ◼ ► It was I forget exactly what it was that it was something it was basically like is the cost of buying a new i Pad [TS]
01:54:21 ◼ ► It's probably different like an arrow you're saying you know if it's worth five hundred bucks then it might be [TS]
01:54:25 ◼ ► different but for the for the minis. It's like two hundred bucks and it's a really. Barely if at all worth doing. [TS]
01:54:33 ◼ ► It's a bummer so yeah. So we just quote fixed it by getting a like six dollar. Screen protector. [TS]
01:54:40 ◼ ► That sticks on more people more people I know who are just like cracks cracks happen. [TS]
01:54:47 ◼ ► and you would have just bought a new mini If you're waiting for the new ones that come out for your brother. Well it's. [TS]
01:54:51 ◼ ► First of all it's. It's the first generation unwritten and it's it's to play occasional kid games on. [TS]
01:55:02 ◼ ► and there's nothing else I can do it has it's not even worth reselling like this with a crack screen it's not worth [TS]
01:55:06 ◼ ► much. There's nothing can do with this so you know I'll just let him use it till it dies. [TS]
01:55:22 ◼ ► and I can just you know kick him down you know take that one down into his slot and you know I don't know. [TS]
01:55:27 ◼ ► Now he just melt Casey I guess but this is cellular Yeah it's very small nice. Oh yeah I'll take it. [TS]
01:55:40 ◼ ► I think that was like the fifty's and you're really old. I don't know if you remember. [TS]
01:55:46 ◼ ► I think it was like maybe prowler some particular brand anyway. I feel like that our grandkids. [TS]
01:55:52 ◼ ► When we tell them stories that we use that carry about around a bunch of rectangle. That were made of glass. [TS]
01:55:58 ◼ ► And it sometimes they would crack and people just use them shattered or sometimes the like they were able. [TS]
01:56:02 ◼ ► They will look at us and the same way we think about you had glass bottles of shampoo in the shower. [TS]
01:56:07 ◼ ► Does not seem like like why didn't you just you know make a lot of plastic has a we're not plastic Really. [TS]
01:56:15 ◼ ► I feel like we're in this period where glass is the right material to making out of right now unquestionably. [TS]
01:56:25 ◼ ► and get a device that has like all the benefits of glass without the whole shattering. [TS]
01:56:31 ◼ ► and get you guys were carrying on glass things it was like you're carrying around these fragile East. [TS]
01:56:35 ◼ ► Faberge eggs that if you dropped on the cement they were just like shatter a cracker spider web [TS]
01:56:40 ◼ ► and you had to put this. It's going to look weird to them because already it seems to me like. [TS]
01:56:44 ◼ ► So it's really the best thing we should be doing. Everyone in the world carries around a little rectangle of glass. [TS]
01:56:56 ◼ ► You know what am I to kind of recap what if I'm going to get a new Mini this year. [TS]
01:57:05 ◼ ► What do I care about the existing one in the thing of it is that it's perfectly fine with the exception. [TS]
01:57:13 ◼ ► Not that I would necessarily throw it away I'd probably like is all it and just take the hit on the cracked screen but.. [TS]
01:57:18 ◼ ► I feel like. This is a perfectly usable device mean I just told you earlier that I'm using a three G.S. [TS]
01:57:33 ◼ ► There's so many things I could do with this and so it seems so wrong not to get it fixed [TS]
01:57:45 ◼ ► There are also third party fixes there's also do it yourself fixes I didn't look at all any of those options because I [TS]
01:57:51 ◼ ► did like five minutes of looking into it and it seemed like it was not only very difficult [TS]
01:57:55 ◼ ► but also like not that much cheaper like it was like maybe a hundred fifty bucks in it wasn't it wasn't that much [TS]
01:58:03 ◼ ► But you know that might be worth considering for you but I think the better move is probably take the hit. Sell it and. [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► Just like before I'm annoyed at myself because this one is not a clause I deliberate action that I deliberately poured [TS]
01:58:29 ◼ ► But I don't know I wasn't even touching the damn thing when it broke so I feel a little less guilty about it [TS]
01:58:39 ◼ ► Hot enough to make it right by buying yourself a new i Pad this fall and see that's the market. [TS]
01:58:43 ◼ ► No no I didn't this happen to me and I didn't do enough. John anything interesting from you. [TS]
01:58:56 ◼ ► Hello But I came home from vacation I found that my how water heater was leaking slots and I saw him home. [TS]
01:59:03 ◼ ► Didn't like you know flood the basement it wasn't like hole the water in the water came out [TS]
01:59:13 ◼ ► Well that tent of also like fail slowly started weeping they were just it was just leaking over the course of a week. [TS]
01:59:18 ◼ ► And you know. Covered the floor with barely enough water to basically so can ruin a rug but didn't you know. [TS]
01:59:28 ◼ ► Did you go tankless ona we talked about it again we talk about it every time every place it's still not the thing for [TS]
01:59:36 ◼ ► and what do you say that they say I talk to them about it basically if you if you have what we have which is like a you [TS]
01:59:48 ◼ ► And then you have a hot water heater and you just want to replace thought water heater you could go tankless. [TS]
01:59:53 ◼ ► But there's still issues of how much pressure can it put out if you're running all your hot water things at the same [TS]
02:00:05 ◼ ► Doesn't he go through the chimney and that does the hot water for all your radiators and the tankless hot water. [TS]
02:00:12 ◼ ► You know instantly heat the water and use time at like basically when it's cold here in the winter. [TS]
02:00:16 ◼ ► You get freezing cold water coming in from the outside in a lot of demand for how water for all the radios of the same [TS]
02:00:21 ◼ ► time you're running. You know trying to wash the dishes in the sink with hot water and running a shower. [TS]
02:00:26 ◼ ► That it's very difficult to get off of that. So we're sure as hell not replacing the entire system down there. [TS]
02:00:34 ◼ ► You know and they're recommending me buy a cheaper thing from them with a ten year warranty so there you know. [TS]
02:00:40 ◼ ► I basically trust the fact that if it really was better. They'd try to sell me the much more expensive tankless thing. [TS]
02:00:46 ◼ ► And they say every time talk to them the same company like that it goes a new construction. [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► The sort of fancier more experiencing to do but new construction has entire high efficiencies [TS]
02:00:58 ◼ ► and not just like oh you got an old boiler the does your hot water and the next we have just a tankless system [TS]
02:01:04 ◼ ► and they still hear complaints from people who get them a new construction that's not as good as a big tanks. [TS]
02:01:12 ◼ ► That is usually the most sensible economical option even though we have fancier things like my system is. [TS]
02:01:18 ◼ ► Fortunately we didn't do it the people the forest of my system is the kind where there is one boiler. For both heat. [TS]
02:01:28 ◼ ► And so that we just have one big boiler that can do both and a big tank that heats up also and vanishes there. [TS]
02:01:40 ◼ ► Like according to some guy who looked at it once. Is that then the boiler is continually running year round. [TS]
02:01:47 ◼ ► So that tends to make them last longer because it isn't going like the Hall of summer months without running at all [TS]
02:01:54 ◼ ► and hope it works you know it's it isn't it doesn't have like those big cycles of non-use for a long time [TS]
02:02:01 ◼ ► But it's still vented to the chimney right not just to the outside your house no it has a direct outside. All right. [TS]
02:02:09 ◼ ► and mine I can do the same thing as your as another option as we have a big boiler. I could also. [TS]
02:02:13 ◼ ► You know it has the hookups and supposedly. Perhaps the capacity to say Oh this can also be your hot water. [TS]
02:02:19 ◼ ► But it's like maybe barely got the capacity and every time it has come up it's like better. Just get a dedicated thing. [TS]
02:02:26 ◼ ► And be independent because it's not a big guy efficiency thing and you know. You may be borderline. [TS]
02:02:36 ◼ ► And how much how water pressure you have able to sell the new one is actually the same size of the old one [TS]
02:02:40 ◼ ► but fancier unlike higher recovery so that once you start using the hot water able. Heat up sooner anyway. [TS]
02:02:50 ◼ ► Like the temperature is turned down like as low as the possibly can be like we always do in the summer to turn. [TS]
02:02:58 ◼ ► How hot you want to keep the water in this tank in the summer you can get away lower because the water coming in is [TS]
02:03:07 ◼ ► And still the first person take a shower put turn the little knob like what the normally turn it to ever just scalding [TS]
02:03:12 ◼ ► hot and incredible in pressure and about like Alright. The old one did not only was leaking. But obviously was crap. [TS]
02:03:19 ◼ ► At this point in its life cycle like seven years old or never were just just one year out of warranty if. [TS]
02:03:27 ◼ ► No one has a ten year warranty so I need to put a reminder on my calendar for the ten year anniversary before it starts [TS]
02:03:32 ◼ ► leaking. Just make the call and don't even bother to see if it's going to last a litter twelve years. [TS]
02:03:37 ◼ ► Right you know just replaces I've been told now for multiple contractors and plumbers over the last couple years. [TS]
02:03:43 ◼ ► That water heaters don't last as long as they used to and that they always die at about ten years. [TS]
02:03:51 ◼ ► The home inspector will flag a ten year old water heater as like a problem that needs to be addressed. [TS]
02:04:00 ◼ ► when they fail potentially big problems because you know if you don't want your entire basement flooded with water [TS]
02:04:11 ◼ ► I've been lucky to have water heaters that he bought without both of the previous ones failed by starting to leak [TS]
02:04:19 ◼ ► when you're on vacation it's kind of scary that it was slowly leaking from the bottom quintile we will who aren't here. [TS]
02:04:26 ◼ ► Doria now. How is a vacation. That's fine. The Casey said Losing your i Pad to the Eureka agent is a. Yeah it was good. [TS]
02:04:42 ◼ ► Like the beach just fine Got a near the water. And as long as he wasn't touching the water everything was mostly OK. [TS]
02:04:48 ◼ ► But even just dipping his little feet in the water like way up at the very edge of where the waves can reach. [TS]
02:04:58 ◼ ► He did not care for that at all which is fine. That's standard baby behavior. Yeah. [TS]
02:05:02 ◼ ► I'm not bothered by it but I will say he is crawling like a champion now starting to pull up on things now. [TS]
02:05:13 ◼ ► But you know he can like stand for a long time like tripod so he's got you know his hands on something in his feet on [TS]
02:05:19 ◼ ► the ground. So that's both wonderful petrifying all the same time. But progress is being made. My parents were here. [TS]
02:05:29 ◼ ► To give Aaron a little break and later you know go grocery shopping without the baby or whatever and. [TS]
02:05:34 ◼ ► And they said in the last two weeks because they just hadn't seen him in two weeks they said that the change was just [TS]
02:05:38 ◼ ► tremendous which I mean that's to be expected when one is a baby I'm not saying that. And I'm not trying to be like. [TS]
02:05:43 ◼ ► Well my baby is the most smart baby after it's none of that it's just you know baby strange quick. As it turns out and. [TS]
02:05:51 ◼ ► So lots happening big doings around listen to hold but I'm going to concentrate on the weekends when you're home [TS]
02:05:55 ◼ ► or nights when you're more whatever. Concentrate on getting him to. If you want to see his first steps. [TS]
02:06:01 ◼ ► Chances are doing your work so you have to basically take him during the weekends A Now we're going to do the first [TS]
02:06:12 ◼ ► and trying to like tilt him forward enough that he's like. Just to keep his center of gravity under him. [TS]
02:06:20 ◼ ► Just given self balance you know who have to bring a foot forward and sometimes he gets it sometimes he doesn't. [TS]
02:06:25 ◼ ► But it's been funny he's also occasionally mimicking us. Sometimes directly sometimes. Vaguely. [TS]
02:06:33 ◼ ► So like will tilt our head from one side or the other and sometimes Full Tilt has had the same way and sometimes not. [TS]
02:06:38 ◼ ► Sometimes we shake our head like no not not to indicate not to do something but just to shake left and right. [TS]
02:06:43 ◼ ► Sometimes whole like follow follow that and shake his head left and right which is really adorable. [TS]
02:06:59 ◼ ► On the borders of those big boxes just lens lenses and the lens is so tiny like not at all [TS]
02:07:09 ◼ ► That's full frame with interchangeable lenses is that correct. That's correct. OK. [TS]
02:07:14 ◼ ► So this is kind of like that that crazy Sony you had at my house for top here a couple years ago with the crazy good [TS]
02:07:19 ◼ ► low light. It is extremely similar in many ways to that but just with a larger body and with an agenda lenses. [TS]
02:07:29 ◼ ► They were talking about which I have since told you sold something no way here. And one of the lenses I bought. [TS]
02:07:35 ◼ ► Is basically the lens that was on that it's a little thirty five millimeter prime the Sony F two point eight thirty [TS]
02:07:41 ◼ ► five prime. Unlike optically the measurements are almost identical. It's like. It's about the same size it's. [TS]
02:07:48 ◼ ► Yeah it's very very similar. Circuit I love that. That little that the focal length and the small package. [TS]
02:07:55 ◼ ► But yes with a camera I got is the A seven are two. And it just came out today. And my order from B. and H. [TS]
02:08:06 ◼ ► Which I placed. Like. I Phone filed a refreshing the page back when it went for sale in June and it just shipped today. [TS]
02:08:14 ◼ ► It's so I will. I will have it tomorrow because I'm very close to being H.'s warehouse. [TS]
02:08:33 ◼ ► Macro which is very very new but everyone seems to think it's amazing so far as getting stellar reviews so. [TS]
02:08:52 ◼ ► Before that my last upgrade to my big camera in the last upgrade that I had to interchangeable lenses was in two [TS]
02:08:57 ◼ ► thousand and eight with the five the mark two so this is it's been a long time coming. This. [TS]
02:09:09 ◼ ► and she still goes for photo shoots so we will see she's she's interested in the new camera. [TS]
02:09:19 ◼ ► Most likely going to sell some of the canned lenses that we don't really use out in tips photo shoots. [TS]
02:09:29 ◼ ► So why wouldn't a professional photographer want to use a full frame camera with interchangeable lenses. [TS]
02:09:35 ◼ ► If they Let's suppose you really are really good photography but you sold all your stuff you're doing others. [TS]
02:09:40 ◼ ► You're doing other things for a while but now you're you're starting a business back up [TS]
02:09:44 ◼ ► and you're looking to buy all new cameras all new glass. Why why not buy this what's wrong with this. [TS]
02:09:57 ◼ ► and the other one of the reasons why I think if it is likely to stick with the five you mark two zero. [TS]
02:10:06 ◼ ► and one of the reasons why we're likely to stick with those for a while is the same reason why we haven't upgraded [TS]
02:10:11 ◼ ► since two thousand and eight. Because there's a lot of inertia there like we have. [TS]
02:10:17 ◼ ► We have probably five or six batteries for it. We have tons of new compact flash memory cards for some. [TS]
02:10:27 ◼ ► We have a battery grip for one of them we have a cable remote with a timer for time lapse remote. [TS]
02:10:33 ◼ ► We have for speed light flashes. To old ones that were kind of flaky and two new ones about three. [TS]
02:10:40 ◼ ► Please them recently saw we have so many accessories that are not universal that only work with this. [TS]
02:10:48 ◼ ► As we have so many accessory for the net like. We didn't even upgrade to the next to the Canon five D. Mark three. [TS]
02:10:56 ◼ ► For our purposes didn't feel like a very compelling upgrade to replace all those gear that we would have to replace. [TS]
02:11:02 ◼ ► In addition of all the all the can lenses in everything so there's a lot of inertia behind sticking with it we have [TS]
02:11:10 ◼ ► What would prevent you like is the viewfinder not optical does that even matter anymore. [TS]
02:11:15 ◼ ► What would cause anything Marilyn's Basically I know there's going to be some exception weird [TS]
02:11:19 ◼ ► but basically the viewfinder is not optical. It's not like what you think of when you think of an S.L.R. [TS]
02:11:23 ◼ ► Where you are looking through a prism through. Across a mirror into a cross out the lens like. [TS]
02:11:29 ◼ ► That is what defines an S.L.R. Is like the single lens reflex it's like you're looking through the lens with this. [TS]
02:11:36 ◼ ► Mirror thing that flips up when you take a picture and expose the sensor. So Merlo scammers lack that. [TS]
02:11:41 ◼ ► And yes there's rangefinders all the weird things but basically you know. Marilyn's cameras lack that. [TS]
02:11:46 ◼ ► And there are a lot of advantages to that there is a lot that that is very nice I really enjoy it up [TS]
02:11:52 ◼ ► and this is a bit of a leap of faith for me to in the process of renting this house or rented the Nikon D seven fifty.. [TS]
02:12:03 ◼ ► As an amazing focus system it has amazing low light performance amazing sensor. Made by Sony and. [TS]
02:12:16 ◼ ► Besides the handling and just prefer looking through the lens directly through the optical thing [TS]
02:12:21 ◼ ► and everything is mostly just because there are certain things that appeal to pros [TS]
02:12:26 ◼ ► and certain things that pros need so certain things that appeal them there's there's a huge. [TS]
02:12:30 ◼ ► There's a much larger library of available lenses. First of all. Now granted you have to you know. [TS]
02:12:35 ◼ ► Pick a system so you gotta pick Nikon or Canon or. You know even the big Sony's but nobody picks those. [TS]
02:12:40 ◼ ► And you know if you buy a Nikon camera you've got to use Nikon lenses and. There are adapters and. [TS]
02:12:46 ◼ ► There are efforts to use. Nikon or Canon lenses on the Sony cameras. But you give up some things like. There are some. [TS]
02:12:54 ◼ ► You know some some of them don't work quite right some of them don't focus. Very quickly if at all. Some of them. [TS]
02:13:02 ◼ ► The adapters are all these kind of like hacky third party things that are not supported by anybody. So it's really not. [TS]
02:13:09 ◼ ► If you have lenses that you want to use from canner Nikon's big lens lamps that's stretch back to twenty years thirty [TS]
02:13:21 ◼ ► On a small narrow scammer you can use them usually for you after that you can't use them well you're better off just [TS]
02:13:26 ◼ ► getting the native body. If you can and. Because these marrows cameras have been around for way less time. [TS]
02:13:32 ◼ ► The lens lines are just WAY smaller. Like one of my favorite lenses on the Canon is the one thirty five F. To pride. [TS]
02:13:38 ◼ ► It is awesome. There is no equivalent to that. That I can mount on the Sony that is native. [TS]
02:13:44 ◼ ► There are some but I came out through adapters and then I don't have auto focus on everything. [TS]
02:13:58 ◼ ► But that is still the case is also things like there is no great first party flashes that have amazing metering as far [TS]
02:14:04 ◼ ► as I know like there is some you can use any of flash and you can have it you can manually meter it [TS]
02:14:11 ◼ ► There's just a lot more like limitations in what kind of gear is available. And it is also things that. [TS]
02:14:24 ◼ ► So one of the biggest downside for the Sony full farm system is the cameras have terrible battery lives. [TS]
02:14:31 ◼ ► Because they're really small. They're really high powered. You know computationally. [TS]
02:14:36 ◼ ► And they have these little tiny batteries that like the bad. Re for and for a full size S.L.R. [TS]
02:14:42 ◼ ► Can last like five times as long and full of the larger not lighting up screens constantly in a viewfinder. [TS]
02:14:47 ◼ ► So that's a little cameras have terrible battery lives. That is the biggest downside to me. [TS]
02:14:53 ◼ ► Also for pro use the cameras are usually not whether sealed. Which a lot of pros need and many pros want. [TS]
02:15:02 ◼ ► And they are also. I don't think any of them have some of the more unusual but sometimes needed. [TS]
02:15:14 ◼ ► Need or want that are not available on Merrill scammers and are probably not going to come soon. [TS]
02:15:37 ◼ ► I mean the difference I mean your cameras often Casey. But. But the difference between full frame. [TS]
02:15:44 ◼ ► And not full frame is large. This is not a small difference. It is a very big difference. [TS]
02:15:51 ◼ ► And we just love that difference. And back then there was a much bigger gap also. Now the gap is smaller. [TS]
02:16:00 ◼ ► Well it's also a considerably larger financial penalty as well right because I got a really really beautiful lens [TS]
02:16:12 ◼ ► and off to my head I want to say it was about fifteen hundred dollars all in so the kit lens which is a little zoom [TS]
02:16:18 ◼ ► and. This really good lens it's not a pancake but it's a really solid prime that. Sean blank recommended which I love. [TS]
02:16:27 ◼ ► I couldn't the tightest six of time I had but anyways. That was like fifteen hundred dollars all in and. [TS]
02:16:33 ◼ ► I'm going to you don't tell me a number of I'm going to guess that you're in a lot more than that for this full frame [TS]
02:16:40 ◼ ► and you can I mean part of it because I just got like the cutting edge best model because I me [TS]
02:16:55 ◼ ► You're looking at for a good lens and a good body you're looking at over two thousand probably for this. [TS]
02:17:08 ◼ ► There is there is no like massive full review available of it yet. So it's a bit of a risk. But based on the early. [TS]
02:17:15 ◼ ► I rented its predecessor the A seven two I rented that back. Reforms of the. The seven fifty. [TS]
02:17:22 ◼ ► I rented that so and it has like. I basically an identical body identical handle identical menus. [TS]
02:17:28 ◼ ► That there's almost no difference in like the physical side so I know that I like shooting with it. [TS]