The Accidental Tech Podcast

129: Tap-to-Click Wizard


00:00:00   Sometimes people just like the have something to fiddle with their fingers. [TS]

00:00:05   What else going on now think that we have nothing in the fog section as Wake except for a night [TS]

00:00:09   and we decided we're not talking about this week and that's it. [TS]

00:00:12   So we actually genuinely have no follow up for real as confirmed by John Syracuse himself. We had a long. [TS]

00:00:20   You know I was away on vacation and me. [TS]

00:00:22   You know we had a recording schedule what the hell was our last show about it was so long ago. [TS]

00:00:27   It doesn't really matter. I don't know. So yeah. We should guest talk about Sky lake. [TS]

00:00:32   Because that's a thing as of today. Well sort of I mean I think the most boring skylight ships launch today. [TS]

00:00:39   The ones that go in like IMAX and desktops. Oh are they the most boring. [TS]

00:00:43   I think Intel thinks that they're the most exciting because they are extreme to use the ninety's parlance like they're [TS]

00:00:49   the able to be overclocked like Intel is actually talking about overclocking in them you know to me like they're the [TS]

00:00:56   ones they're sort of the P.C. Enthusiasm. Chips now that there's many of them left but. [TS]

00:01:01   Like maybe they think that's like the only place that is a potentially a growth market so I don't think they're the [TS]

00:01:07   most boring ones maybe they're the least to relevant to people who buy Apple computers. [TS]

00:01:11   Because like you said the does it just going to be the ones they go on the IMAX in the one thing on the IMAX are going [TS]

00:01:15   to be overclocked and. It's going to be the middle range one of the iris Prograf X. and It's like whatever. [TS]

00:01:22   But I think Intel think because they were released in an ounce of what is it Games com What the hell's the name of the [TS]

00:01:27   conference. [TS]

00:01:28   It doesn't matter anyway gaming related thing and so they're going to releasing the chips that would be interested. [TS]

00:01:34   Of interest to people who are building gaming P.C.'s and they want to know. I'm building my gaming P.C. [TS]

00:01:39   I want to maybe overclock it. Maybe I want to put two three four G.P.U. [TS]

00:01:46   Graphics cards inside it and getting them together in some way and so it's really about ethics [TS]

00:01:51   and overclocking home I use are excited what Intel thinks are exciting [TS]

00:01:56   but you're saying they're not exciting because they're not like the ones that are going to go in most of the max that [TS]

00:02:01   Apple sells which are the laptops and. They're not anything that would ever go on a mac pro right. [TS]

00:02:07   No but it isn't it isn't even just that I'm saying. Even for the markets that they are intended for. [TS]

00:02:12   I think it's it's an incremental update at best you know it. What. [TS]

00:02:17   What is apparently like the big thing with sky like is really you know. [TS]

00:02:22   It's a small incremental improvement and performance. But it's a sin. [TS]

00:02:26   It's an allegedly substantial improvement and power consumption and battery life. [TS]

00:02:31   And so to have these high claw desktop chips come out that are you know high wattage high clocks. [TS]

00:02:35   Not meant for laptops for the power. Stuff it's probably not like super to Dinan or at least super emphasized. [TS]

00:02:43   It's interesting. But only on a mild level for a very small number of people like. [TS]

00:02:48   It doesn't really matter if the desktop chips get ten percent more power fish and. [TS]

00:02:53   It doesn't have that big of an effect on I mean. Yeah yeah you can you can. You know slam against T.T.P. [TS]

00:02:58   More and get a lot more clocks it may be but for the most part. [TS]

00:03:00   The exciting part here is when these come to laptops and. [TS]

00:03:05   Because we have heard so many things that sky Lake is going to be. This major power improvement in everything. [TS]

00:03:12   You know the reality is that matter so much more in laptops. [TS]

00:03:16   So if we can actually get twenty percent more performance in a laptop or. You know twenty percent more battery life. [TS]

00:03:22   That's way more impressive and that could really make a big difference things like the mac book wonder the eleven [TS]

00:03:29   and shareware the battery right now it's pretty short. [TS]

00:03:32   Really for what you need it for or could it could allow Apple to. You know. Obviously I would hope. [TS]

00:03:39   With like the fifteen inch line I would hope they would use this new savings to get banks and battery life [TS]

00:03:44   and bring it up like to twelve hours instead of nine or something like that you know [TS]

00:03:48   or you know break up to six hours of heavy use instead of five or four. That be great. [TS]

00:03:54   In reality they're what's probably going to happen instead of the probably going to get redesigned the fifteen inch. [TS]

00:03:59   To make a thinner and lighter. [TS]

00:04:00   And you know I don't love that they keep doing that but it's at least interesting and exciting [TS]

00:04:05   and certainly lot of people like that. [TS]

00:04:07   And so you know that's where the action is going to be with sky like is when it comes to the laptops in the meantime. [TS]

00:04:14   You know I don't as a sitting here in desktops and not even the macro hit just sitting here like it [TS]

00:04:19   and in like high end. Mostly P.C. Desktops and maybe the IMAX. That just isn't that interesting to me. [TS]

00:04:26   So I haven't read too much about these chips I think not everything has been released because even though they were [TS]

00:04:31   sort of launched at this game. [TS]

00:04:33   Saying the technical details according to non tech anyway are not coming out until Intel's developer. Forum. [TS]

00:04:40   Thing like we're going to tell you about the guts of the stuff [TS]

00:04:43   but this is this is their god what the hell is the talk right. The new heart attack at the same it's not a shrink. [TS]

00:04:50   It's still you know for the animators. It's the talk it's a new architecture. [TS]

00:04:55   But what is new and different about that are gesture I don't think we know the details yet officially. [TS]

00:05:03   And this thing is a link in the show as a benchmark in the mall like not an impressive performance game for the desktop [TS]

00:05:08   ones. [TS]

00:05:09   Some weird things where it's actually like a couple percent slower due to some issue they couldn't work out [TS]

00:05:13   when using external G.P.U. but Whatever like a low single digit percent increase the stuff that you're doing. [TS]

00:05:22   And like Barbara said. [TS]

00:05:24   Power savings that are not of interest for the dust up things because like whatever that Sim some a power engine the [TS]

00:05:29   chips. If this is a new architecture. What is different about a going to give us. [TS]

00:05:35   This supposed a big increase in power savings because normally you think you get you get a big reason power savings [TS]

00:05:42   made with a shrink. Right. But this is not a shrink. [TS]

00:05:46   It's just an architectural change and I guess like I read a news article. [TS]

00:05:49   I can see how they can get a little bit of savings out here for moving execution units around [TS]

00:05:53   and having like the display some fixed function hardware in the display chipset so you don't have to send data out [TS]

00:06:00   through DRAM and back into the G.P.U. Well you know all sorts of. Small changes to save power. [TS]

00:06:06   Lower voltage for the memory interfaces and stuff like that but you know. [TS]

00:06:13   We don't know that it was I don't know the technical details of the entered So I'm curious as to where the big savings [TS]

00:06:19   are coming from and I believe that they're there from you know our tipster and other people. [TS]

00:06:23   You know speculating about sky like saying that that is going to be a selling point of this line of chips that it's [TS]

00:06:28   going to be well who care is not a big deal for desktops but for laptops. You can see a nice power savings. [TS]

00:06:34   I don't know where the power savings comes from because I'm think that'll be interesting especially if it's not it's [TS]

00:06:37   not like they it's clear that they didn't spend time working on performance because like well performance you know what [TS]

00:06:42   I was basically a wash maybe a little bit better. But power settings boy that's going to be great. [TS]

00:06:46   And we did it without a shrink. How do we do it so I look forward to those details when they are revealed. [TS]

00:06:52   Our first sponsor this week is our friends at cards against humanity. And as usual. [TS]

00:06:58   They have instead of a normal ad read. They have asked John to review a toaster. This week's toaster. [TS]

00:07:14   Is the Hamilton Beach three one three three zero toaster oven. This is a pretty big toaster. [TS]

00:07:22   It is what I would call for a slice toaster. [TS]

00:07:26   Although of course the manufacturer claims that it's a six life toaster [TS]

00:07:29   but this claim requires the standard miniature bread that they use in the toaster and the box shots right. [TS]

00:07:34   Why they don't put anything in there for scale. But honestly that bread is microscopic so for a slice of comfortably. [TS]

00:07:40   Like Mr Burns is toast or has a mighty hump on the back of it. [TS]

00:07:44   Those humps you know that I'm talking about where it's like it's some point in the past decade [TS]

00:07:48   or so all toasters grew humps of some kind because someone decided that it's great to be able to advertise a toaster [TS]

00:07:54   oven by showing a picture of a pizza inside it. [TS]

00:07:56   And of course a pizza is not going to thicken it in a rectangular I've been very easily [TS]

00:07:59   but if you put a little rounded hump in the back of it you get a lecture room to shove your pizza in there [TS]

00:08:02   and blah blah blah. You know my toaster does not have this John. You know any hump. You sure know. It's flat. [TS]

00:08:08   Is that preamp it's a preamp those there. Yeah. Wow. So pretty help. [TS]

00:08:11   My toaster that you said was inferior to your toaster. Does not have the hump. Yeah. [TS]

00:08:16   I have a small hump most on the way. This. [TS]

00:08:19   It's amazing the hump is made to look larger because the toaster skinnier at the top and at the bottom. [TS]

00:08:23   So honestly like. [TS]

00:08:25   Maybe the hump is only a couple inches or a reason same size as the average [TS]

00:08:28   but it looks huge it really stands out the way this. Stosur shape. [TS]

00:08:32   The wire rack is kind of medium gauge the Wire Act as not rectangular It's like a rectangle [TS]

00:08:36   and then there's extra little thing like a little house poking out the back to goes into the Help section [TS]

00:08:40   but something about hump is that the wire rack is like it's you know it's a rectangle with another thing attached to it. [TS]

00:08:45   Sticking out there. Supposedly And the purpose of the hump is to. [TS]

00:08:49   You know accommodate around pan for something like a pizza. [TS]

00:08:52   But that's also does not come with a round pan which seems weird that this is that such a prominent hump [TS]

00:08:55   and doesn't actually come with a round pander around rack right thing. [TS]

00:08:58   L M like the promo pictures they show a pizza sitting on top of the wire rack of the toaster just like just on top of [TS]

00:09:04   the wires not even in a pan. I feel like that would be a disaster. [TS]

00:09:07   If they would have to already be done before it's put in there right yeah you cook and you put you put a fake. [TS]

00:09:12   Pizza made out of wax [TS]

00:09:13   or revenue make the food out of you know I think because of it so it doesn't melt under the hot lights. Anyway. [TS]

00:09:19   Comes with a rectangular pan the rectangle hand doesn't quite fill the the toaster edge dead general who did that on [TS]

00:09:24   purpose to try to allow hot air to come around or whatever. But it seems like kind of a shame. [TS]

00:09:29   Plus a little small Iraq that goes in the past on the knob situation this is a three knob. [TS]

00:09:34   Toaster top on it's for temperature. But you still need to set it to toast. If you want to toast. [TS]

00:09:39   Middle on is for function. Toast bake whatever bottom one is the timer knob. [TS]

00:09:43   And this is one more toaster all three knobs have to be in the right position in order for you to toast you gotta make [TS]

00:09:48   sure the top knobs on toast and you got and you gotta turn the the function thing on toast [TS]

00:09:51   and you get turn the right now. The bottom knob. [TS]

00:09:53   Every single time to a particular angle this new one on the knob also says please turn on time or not pass fifteen [TS]

00:09:58   and then back to the time that you want every time I don't even know if you need to do that [TS]

00:10:03   but I think I feel like you can just turn it to like you know they have a very limited range like maybe ten [TS]

00:10:08   or fifteen degrees that constitutes the entire range of toasting. And you have to turn and that range. [TS]

00:10:13   The knob feels OK. They don't we go or feel loose they feel like you know solid. [TS]

00:10:17   But they're pretty darn hard to turn the not very good be that like actually kind of hard to turn. [TS]

00:10:22   And the indicator of like where the knob it's pointing. [TS]

00:10:25   It is just kind of like a dull pill shaped lump in the shiny metal or shiny plastic base of the knob. [TS]

00:10:33   And the knobs are pretty tall so you're trying to line up like sort of a indistinct capsule shaped lump in [TS]

00:10:39   and metal that on a knob it's like an inch off the surface. [TS]

00:10:42   And you're like way above on an angle [TS]

00:10:44   and you're trying to line up that lump with like the exact unmarked spot in the ten to twenty degree range that [TS]

00:10:50   constitutes toasting. The pending on like. What angle it's. [TS]

00:10:54   It's really not easy to get repeat whole stuff and just wasn't. [TS]

00:10:58   It feels like too much effort like your turning of the special you have turned past fifteen like force it back. [TS]

00:11:03   Not a great experience. [TS]

00:11:06   It's got four unshielded resist if you didn't on the Senate which I knew were going to be slower than the the big [TS]

00:11:12   thicker courtsey looking things for a minute thirty second post time. [TS]

00:11:18   Not great at least it's not over five minutes but [TS]

00:11:20   when it does toast it's pretty even one edge of us a little bit darker than the other [TS]

00:11:24   but it was kind of like a smooth gradient. I would say it makes acceptable toast. [TS]

00:11:28   Takes a little bit too long from tray. [TS]

00:11:31   Blessedly come straight out so you're much less likely to dump the crumbs back into the house during a trying to remove [TS]

00:11:35   it so up on that door feels a little flimsy but at least it opens all the way [TS]

00:11:39   and you don't feel like you're breaking it at any point. The little clause. [TS]

00:11:44   On the door that like when you pull the door out also pull the tray out a little bit. [TS]

00:11:48   The toaster the same problems elements where it has two different positions for the rack. [TS]

00:11:52   And you're supposed to use the middle or higher position when you're making toast. But the little claws are. [TS]

00:11:56   We talk about how do you deal with a little clause to pull the tray out when pulled the wire act out [TS]

00:12:00   when the wire I can be in two different positions [TS]

00:12:02   and a couple in a minute manufacture the clever things that the fancy Breville one has like magnets which I think are [TS]

00:12:07   really cool that pull it out. [TS]

00:12:08   This one just punts on and says you know what our little claws are only going to pull the trail [TS]

00:12:11   when it's in the bomb to this moment in the top position locals do nothing just kind of lame. [TS]

00:12:17   I don't know who made that decision especially since most of the time using it in Toast mode. Aren't you. [TS]

00:12:22   I don't know maybe most time to are using it of an OK way it seems lame. I have never. [TS]

00:12:27   Until now consider the possibility that a toaster oven would have multiple rack heights. [TS]

00:12:32   Are we supposed to be changing our rack height thing and we cook it. I never have does yours have multiple records. [TS]

00:12:37   I have no idea of never even though it's pretty hump it could be primo to Boracay So the one that we had until it broke [TS]

00:12:43   recently so I am a toaster oven lists. Which is terrible. I know a guy who I some extra. Yeah so I hear. [TS]

00:12:50   It had a very interesting design it had a wire rock. That was kind of. [TS]

00:12:57   In an upside kind of a huge shape sort of a mean was flattened. But the way it would work is you would put it in with. [TS]

00:13:05   When it looked like a you. And it would be very close to the bottom of the toaster. [TS]

00:13:10   And then if you put it so that it was an upside down you. [TS]

00:13:13   It would bring the rock such that it was about the middle of the toaster. [TS]

00:13:16   And you listen to my reviews I just reviewed tested had it exactly chair couple of the same poster. [TS]

00:13:22   Years might have different I think a lot of people buy these never look at the manual [TS]

00:13:26   and if there's nothing written on the surface. Most are they just put the rack wherever they want to and that's it. [TS]

00:13:31   But yeah. In recent maybe five years ten years. [TS]

00:13:36   Most toaster ovens have been coming with rocks with either multiple positions. [TS]

00:13:40   Yeah usually multiplicity because the higher position the position of looks crazy to all of us like [TS]

00:13:44   when we were growing up the toasters all had the rocks way down low on the bottom of the only place they would go that [TS]

00:13:48   was that. [TS]

00:13:49   Now the toaster ovens all seem to have a higher position it looks way too high [TS]

00:13:53   but that's where they want to do basically everything except for bake. [TS]

00:13:56   They want you to toast there they want you to broil there only if you're baking yourself to bring it down to the bottom [TS]

00:14:01   of this one is no different when you were toasting it wants you to put the rack [TS]

00:14:04   and sort of the midpoint of the Alvin and only when you're baking you're supposed to but down on the bottom. [TS]

00:14:09   This is a step backwards in toaster oven convenience because the whole point of this thing it is like. [TS]

00:14:14   You can put basically anything a toaster oven and get OK result out of it with very little effort. [TS]

00:14:18   Once you're putting in the complexity of multiple rock heights and. [TS]

00:14:21   It's not that complicated I feel like the toaster oven is used either mostly than I've been mostly as a toaster so [TS]

00:14:26   there's kind of a default position and honestly if you just leave it in the high position. [TS]

00:14:30   Bake things find it mostly they want you to ease the bottom racks of your baking something that is tall. [TS]

00:14:34   So that doesn't get like if you're baking. [TS]

00:14:36   Something like maybe even just a big baked potato maybe start getting too close to the heating element on top you want [TS]

00:14:41   to move it down but I don't think it's that big of a deal I think it is an improvement because [TS]

00:14:46   when they were on the bottom. It was basically impossible to get even toasting. [TS]

00:14:50   Because you're so close to the bottom elements have so far from the top one. That is always. You know rapture. [TS]

00:14:55   When they're in the middle to better. But anyway. Overall of this toaster. I give it a passing grade. [TS]

00:14:59   Nothing on a terrible. [TS]

00:15:00   Nothing out as particularly great [TS]

00:15:02   but it is certainly better than some of the really really bad toasters rooted recently. [TS]

00:15:06   And it's fifty bucks Ishtar what it feels quality wise like a fifty dollar toaster. But. [TS]

00:15:13   I just barely it's passing grade I think. A glowing review. [TS]

00:15:29   Thank you very much to cards against humanity for sponsoring once again. OK. So I have big news. [TS]

00:15:37   In an otherwise completely empty week. Are you guys sitting down. Are you running for president. [TS]

00:15:44   I am running for president as a Republican like the rest of the country you know not. [TS]

00:15:48   Let's talk about that the people of that. Let's not know there's not a fast text update. [TS]

00:15:53   I have joined twenty thirteen twenty twelve twenty twelve whatever. I have a written a mac now. [TS]

00:16:02   Lou do you have it or is a work computer sitting next to me but it belongs to work. All right well. I mean that. [TS]

00:16:12   Baby steps you know. That helps. Yeah. Take a step in right direction. [TS]

00:16:16   So the funny thing behind this is I was talking in in slack with the bunch of people including the two of you guys. [TS]

00:16:24   About you know. It's about time for me to get a new personal machine. [TS]

00:16:29   I have errands MacBook Air that I'm using right now which has been under water about eight times. [TS]

00:16:34   I have to late two thousand and eleven high rez into glare MacBook Pros one with a platter drive [TS]

00:16:41   and a ram which is mine. One way it's a and C. and Sixteen gigs of RAM which is works. [TS]

00:16:48   I knew it was about time to upgrade. And I know it's probably for Scalia. [TS]

00:16:52   And so I knew I wasn't going to order anything for me. Anytime soon. So this colleague one comes out. [TS]

00:16:59   But I've been working really hard lately I'm really getting sick of my work computer. [TS]

00:17:04   Having screaming fans anytime I do anything and. [TS]

00:17:08   Really I was supposed to get an upgrade in June at my three year work anniversary. [TS]

00:17:12   Because that's when Apple Care runs out and. I didn't get one then for various and sundry reasons. [TS]

00:17:17   And so today just mostly to be snarky I emailed or I T. Guy and was like Hey just a reminder. [TS]

00:17:24   Not only is this computer. Three years old in that I've received it three years ago. [TS]

00:17:28   But even when I got it at that point we weren't buying new Macs are buying refer to sold Macs [TS]

00:17:33   and so even though I got it in mid two thousand and twelve it's actually a late twenty level mac and. [TS]

00:17:38   So I said that really just to kind of remind him that I'm looking for a new mac at some point. [TS]

00:17:45   Next thing I know he's going to the Apple store and getting me. A fifteen inch for the macro which. [TS]

00:17:50   If you're going to choose a problem to have is a pretty solid problem to have. So yes I got a maxed out. [TS]

00:17:58   Fifteen in trying to mac book pro. The funny thing about it was I had concluded. [TS]

00:18:02   Along Well really because of the to college. Steven Hackett Marco and a few others. I should get the not discrete G.P.U. [TS]

00:18:10   MacBook Pro because there's really no need for me to have a discrete G.P. America Pro I said to our i T. Guy. [TS]

00:18:15   Listen I think what I want is the not discrete one. [TS]

00:18:18   But I want the terabyte hard drive if I can get it I want the old maxed out. Processor Viking get it. [TS]

00:18:25   But don't worry about the ball or ball or one just get me the Intel G.P.U. One that's all I need. So he it's OK Got it. [TS]

00:18:33   He comes back three hours later whatever it was and says Hey. [TS]

00:18:36   Also I gave you the super loaded one because was only a hundred dollars more and I figured you'd like it but thanks. [TS]

00:18:42   Thankless enough. Man is kind of the problem when like. People know you're interested in something and want to like. [TS]

00:18:50   If someone's like Marco likes coffee right I should buy him some coffee but you don't know anything about coffee. [TS]

00:18:54   And you're going to buy Marco coffee. The odds of that like. Maybe Marco do appreciate the thought of. [TS]

00:18:59   But it's like especially if Maher and you're in THE SITUATION like it's their job to buy you a computer [TS]

00:19:05   and you have preferences and you communicate them [TS]

00:19:07   but you just know if you're not there during the purchases like they're going to do something they think is a nice [TS]

00:19:11   thing to do it's like if I could just let me just tell you exactly what to get just get this. [TS]

00:19:16   I know exactly what I want just get this. Yep and that's what I tried. [TS]

00:19:19   But they feel like they want to do something even better like. [TS]

00:19:21   Give me the give me the credit card I will order a card at the even better if you can get them to do well in in his [TS]

00:19:28   defense you know not only was he trying to do the right thing and get me even more than what I asked for. [TS]

00:19:35   Not only that but I'm pretty sure part of what influenced him was that he could have this computer today and. [TS]

00:19:41   If I had gotten the not discrete G.P.U. One. It was and. You know that's not carried in any normal Apple store. [TS]

00:19:47   Well the base model is the not would not with the terabyte and the upgrade. [TS]

00:19:51   Exactly so here again like I'm not mad about it. [TS]

00:19:54   I'm actually really excited have a new computer because again I was much as I do love my high rez anti-glare fifteen [TS]

00:19:59   inch MacBook Pros. They're both getting pretty. Long in the tooth now. But I bring all this up. [TS]

00:20:05   Actually because I wanted to share what it's like to have a written a mac for the first time in twenty fifteen. [TS]

00:20:12   Because all of you have lived this before [TS]

00:20:14   but I haven't so I want my moment in the sun damage in all of you I don't have any right to mags. [TS]

00:20:18   Do you believe in each [TS]

00:20:19   and cheese grater so you don't even count how why the only one of the of like three alleged Apple experts. [TS]

00:20:26   How I've been the only one who had a retina mac. [TS]

00:20:29   Since two thousand and twelve for the year although the only one who loves to buy expensive things [TS]

00:20:32   and Solomon by different expensive things are as Casey and I are much more cautious. [TS]

00:20:36   It's more that it's more that John you use don't own laptops generally speaking. [TS]

00:20:40   Two of them sit in the room when they are right now. Yeah but they're not yours. [TS]

00:20:43   You know like I think I think if you were the kind of person who who bought a laptop for yourself. [TS]

00:20:48   I think you would all you would have had one sometime in the last three years. Yeah that's definitely true. [TS]

00:20:53   If I was a lot the person I would have had a right on one time ago. [TS]

00:20:56   Say and I am a laptop person but just like John said I try. Be Frugal whenever possible. Usually fail but I try. [TS]

00:21:06   And so one way or another. This is my first retina mac and I'll not try to make this fairly quick. [TS]

00:21:11   Retina screens are beautiful. Arrest in a display. [TS]

00:21:14   To live is the very best viewing experience that first an OTA Secondly I noticed a is ALL MY GOD. Everything is he. [TS]

00:21:22   Because I'm used to this high rez anti-glare MacBook Pro has resolution I don't even remember offhand. [TS]

00:21:28   Six hundred eighty. A store. That sounds about right. [TS]

00:21:32   Whereas this fifteen inch Retina MacBook Pro is considerably less than that effective. [TS]

00:21:37   Resolution fourteen forty isn't fourteen forty yet but you can change it there's a set [TS]

00:21:41   and you can vary the scale of load for yeah right. [TS]

00:21:43   But native authority I would keep forgetting about the native native two X. Four hundred forty that is tight. Yeah. [TS]

00:21:48   It is huge Everything is huge by comparison which is a little bit weird. [TS]

00:21:53   I haven't yet changed the scaling I suspect I'm going to it's only a matter of time to just change it it's no big deal. [TS]

00:21:59   Just change the name. Of where do I know that from I don't even. You're not even going apple references anymore. [TS]

00:22:05   Come on sorry. [TS]

00:22:06   Other To be fair I don't remember what he was talking about I don't which of which app it was yeah I don't know [TS]

00:22:11   but that the Agha's memory. That it was a jobs email. Just change the name of that big of a deal. [TS]

00:22:17   That does ring a bell. [TS]

00:22:19   That was the first thing on earth second thing I noticed after how beautiful it was was all MY GOD I HAVE. [TS]

00:22:23   I cannot put anything on the screen everything is enormous. [TS]

00:22:25   Yes I am aware scaling I just haven't tried it yet I want to live with it as it was for a little while first. [TS]

00:22:30   The third thing I noticed was you know I'm trying furiously to prep this thing for for work tomorrow and. [TS]

00:22:39   I am installing V.M. Ware Fusion which is the particular V.M. Software that I use. [TS]

00:22:43   Just because that's what I bought for every go and I have never switched parallel since Susan's way better. [TS]

00:22:49   Please don't email us. I was installing the I want fusion and. [TS]

00:22:54   The first screen that comes up after whatever generic like ten screens. Pop up for the installation. First real V.M. [TS]

00:23:02   Ware Fusion screen comes up in old mice. Holy. It is ugly. Everything is what has happened. [TS]

00:23:12   And I've never had this experience before in so ignorance was kind of bliss in the past because everything was blurry [TS]

00:23:17   you could argue. [TS]

00:23:18   But now it sticks out like a sore thumb and I can already tell this is going to get annoying really quickly. [TS]

00:23:22   Now to be fair that's the only screen I've noticed in using this such as this machine in the last couple hours. [TS]

00:23:28   That was like that but all my god it's so blurry. What happened. [TS]

00:23:33   Yeah it was way worse back in two thousand and twelve like for anybody who bought some of the first generation right [TS]

00:23:37   and I prefer like it was way worse back then because web pages were all just looked terrible like you know software [TS]

00:23:43   update itself pretty quickly. But it's the web a long time to really get into having high D.P.I. Versions of anything. [TS]

00:23:50   And so and web sites on retina still you'll occasionally run into one now that's not retina. [TS]

00:23:55   But they're much fewer and further retune than they were in twenty twelve. But you know. To be fair V.M. Ware has head. [TS]

00:24:02   Three years. A more if they were you know. [TS]

00:24:05   Once the i Phone four came out in two thousand and ten with its retina screen. [TS]

00:24:09   You know any observer we've been like you know. This is probably going to expand to the rest of the lineup. [TS]

00:24:14   We should probably get ready for this. That when the retina. I Pad came out a year later. [TS]

00:24:19   You know what we should probably get ready for this. That was two thousand and eleven then it's like OK. [TS]

00:24:25   Now it's like anybody who has still not. Retina ready now like that's their fault. [TS]

00:24:29   That's that this is beyond reasonable and where doesn't really have much of a U.I. [TS]

00:24:34   So maybe they just don't have done dedicate the resources [TS]

00:24:36   and have a department that is responsible for up there in the graphics because really like you're mostly not looking at [TS]

00:24:41   V.M. Ware as Euros are looking at whatever. Virtual Machine you're using inside the thing you know. [TS]

00:24:47   Right and to be fair this is an installation screen and. I haven't gotten to the point that I've put a V.M. [TS]

00:24:52   On the machine yet but I believe that all of the. Honest to goodness V.M. Ware screens. [TS]

00:24:57   Will be ratified or whatever you want to call it. Hi rez while you complaining about V.M. [TS]

00:25:02   Ware by the way I have a a pet V.M. [TS]

00:25:04   Ware bug that has been with me since seven point zero I think [TS]

00:25:07   or they're up there now they're seven point something point something whatever one seven came out I had this bug where [TS]

00:25:12   you've launched V.M. [TS]

00:25:12   Ware [TS]

00:25:13   and shows me that little screen that shows you're like a virtual machine library with like the little screen shots of [TS]

00:25:17   everything and. If a launch at that thing comes up and I quickly double click the V.M. I want to launch it crashes. [TS]

00:25:25   Right. If you let it launch event that screen with a little I break them up. And you just wait a couple seconds. [TS]

00:25:30   It's one of those old school bugs like classic Macko S cooperative multitasking memory grab just wait. Just let it. [TS]

00:25:36   Don't don't touch anything. [TS]

00:25:37   Just let it sit there and then go over and double click it's on and it's been a repeatable bug through mult. [TS]

00:25:43   Little minor I think they even do like a major that the seven point one of the get multiple revisions every time it [TS]

00:25:48   says Senate crash report I do I think it is going to Apple the and we're probably never see them [TS]

00:25:51   but boy I love those kind of bugs words like. Just don't touch it. Just be careful just wait just wait wait. OK now. [TS]

00:25:59   What the hell could it possibly be I have no idea anyway. So that's basically all I have to say about computers so far. [TS]

00:26:06   It does seem very nice I had the fans did kick on once or twice as I was doing an installation or two. [TS]

00:26:11   And by comparison. [TS]

00:26:12   They were super quiet I don't know if that means that their wider in general now I don't think the metrical is pulled [TS]

00:26:19   in surveillance and propelled through Skokie cavities by fans. With the face of metric the position blades. [TS]

00:26:26   In most fans. The blades of position symmetrically which creates a single identifiable frequency. Weekers ition Alice. [TS]

00:26:35   Asymmetrically to spread the sound of a variety of frequencies. Which makes you seem quite and less intrusive. [TS]

00:26:43   A recall to the conclusion. Makes a contribution for to receive benefits to use. Right. [TS]

00:26:51   And so that's the thing is I've never experienced this for myself so that was very exciting doesn't seem like a jet [TS]

00:26:56   engine slash hairdryer anymore which was very happy about that. [TS]

00:26:59   So I have to say so far about like software and whatnot. I will note however that this has a four star trek that. Yeah. [TS]

00:27:07   Marco's favorite thing. And so you got four times the pixels in infinitely fewer buttons. Right. [TS]

00:27:12   Still just one if you are by the way. Anyway. When you first get a brand new mac with the force. [TS]

00:27:25   However there is a magical switch one can flip. [TS]

00:27:28   But Hammett be very talk about the magical switch was making you say that when you first get it. [TS]

00:27:33   It's like the words they're like water about it you comes out of the box not touching any start using it. [TS]

00:27:37   What repels you. It's that. There's a click. But it's almost it almost feels like. [TS]

00:27:44   I don't like a fingernail got under the trackpad. So like it clicks. [TS]

00:27:48   But it doesn't feel right it's almost Moshi the ones like a third. Yeah I guess. I don't know it just. [TS]

00:27:55   It doesn't have the depth that you expect yes I understand there is no depth it's all an illusion I'm just saying you [TS]

00:28:01   know if you don't really think about that fact and you're just clicking around. [TS]

00:28:05   You're expecting more depth than it has it feels like something's broken. [TS]

00:28:08   So you're saying it like I think you know like a traditional button [TS]

00:28:12   but rather than going all the way down to feels like a ghost about like half travel. Perfect description. [TS]

00:28:17   That's why we keep you around. That's exactly right. So I hated it. I hated immediately. I had a feeling. [TS]

00:28:24   I was going to be able to get over it but I hated it [TS]

00:28:27   but I thought to myself Self why don't you take a look in System Preferences and such a consist System Preferences [TS]

00:28:33   and sure enough there is a completely. Unlabeled are two completely only able to flyers. [TS]

00:28:39   Well I should say completely I'm labeled there's a there labeled click in tracking speed. [TS]

00:28:44   Click did not mean anything to me. But there's light medium and firm as the three options. [TS]

00:28:49   And I realized after thinking about it for second it was like What the hell is all right. [TS]

00:28:55   When I switched from medium which was the default to firm. Angels came out. [TS]

00:29:01   Came down from the heavens and everything was right in the world. [TS]

00:29:05   The pressure you apply and activate like a mike that responds with Tom Feeney. [TS]

00:29:12   So now instead of just seeing what's happening on the screen. You've seen it too. [TS]

00:29:21   And I have no problem with attractive anymore. They have no problem with that like. [TS]

00:29:25   Do you like better as a just like well is acceptable at the same to give the money he got the right next to tell you [TS]

00:29:31   why go back and forth likely break. So yeah. I mean I'm doing this mostly to get a rise out of Marco. [TS]

00:29:37   I wouldn't say I don't have a problem with it. I wouldn't say I like it more I would say I like it marginally less. [TS]

00:29:45   It doesn't feel as crisp is it used to and there have been occasions [TS]

00:29:49   when I think because there is no physical depth to it. [TS]

00:29:55   It's misconstrued when I when I'm dragging or core clicking and holding and when I'm not. [TS]

00:30:03   It's hard to describe and I'm really get put my finger on how to like reproduce it [TS]

00:30:06   but there been occasions where I've thought I've released a click. [TS]

00:30:10   But my thumb is still physically resting on the bottom of the trackpad. [TS]

00:30:14   And the software seems to think that I'm still holding down on the button. [TS]

00:30:19   Have you done the thing that some people have talked about. [TS]

00:30:22   Like with the with the physical button because it was hinged on an edge. [TS]

00:30:25   We all kept using the thumb because the bottom on the usually near the bottom of the bottom part of the split the quick [TS]

00:30:30   but when no part of it moves they're all equally valid so you can stop using the thumb sort of theory goes. [TS]

00:30:36   And use whatever finger using to control the cursor is also the finger the used to click [TS]

00:30:41   and no matter where you did the same exact amount of effort required Have you tried that is that even a thing. [TS]

00:30:45   My brain understands everything you just said My hands are already writing in results for that I think it should be [TS]

00:30:53   easier because it's not coordinating like you're not courting you're not trying to like really press my thumb over here [TS]

00:30:58   but then let me drag my pointer finger over. There it's all just you know one thing. [TS]

00:31:01   I totally understand what you're saying [TS]

00:31:03   and all all snark aside I just I think would be really hard to train myself not to use my saw a perfectly reasonable [TS]

00:31:09   thing to do I mean I'm sure I could. [TS]

00:31:11   It's just it would be hard for me to train myself to do that so anything like it's one of those things that is made [TS]

00:31:17   possible by the forest trust trackpad and of course is not what we're all used to [TS]

00:31:21   but like maybe someone who this is their first laptop ever like a kid like just Except. [TS]

00:31:25   They say their habits are built on that. [TS]

00:31:27   And they would find a barbaric time to press down with their thumb in this particular edge of the thing while moving [TS]

00:31:31   your finger over there I don't know. [TS]

00:31:33   I haven't tried either I had trackpads overall in general [TS]

00:31:35   and what I've heard that from other people I'm just wondering if you should give that a trial I give it give it a good [TS]

00:31:40   chance to be like maybe this is better although I think you're about to talk about something else that is even more [TS]

00:31:45   potentially blasphemous about your track bad habits. Before we get there let me use rebut slightly. [TS]

00:31:52   What drives me nuts about the force to extract that is not that I hate it I don't hate it. And you know. [TS]

00:31:58   I know that the next time I buy a laptop it's almost certainly going to have one and I'll just have to deal with it [TS]

00:32:03   and that'll be fine is not going to stop me from buying a new laptop forever you know I'm not going to like one of the [TS]

00:32:07   old version forever because I don't like this trackpad like it's not. [TS]

00:32:10   I don't hate it that much like your apple expanded keyboard to it. [TS]

00:32:15   But what I find unfortunate about it is that what you're saying is you're basically in apology mode for it's like. [TS]

00:32:24   Well this is almost good. [TS]

00:32:25   Or this is great here for this unreliable thing and the click is almost as good as the old one. [TS]

00:32:30   You know it so it's all these apologetic. Excuse excusing statements about it because it really isn't as good and. [TS]

00:32:41   What bothers me about this trackpad is that we had a great trackpad before that very few people had problems with you [TS]

00:32:49   know yes you could only click firmly on the bottom to those things at the top. [TS]

00:32:52   But buttons used to be at the bottom on many P.C. Laptop they still are that way. [TS]

00:32:57   That's why it was his that way it's why we use a thumb on the bottom. And everyone's been fine with that it's and fine. [TS]

00:33:01   More importantly it was rock solid reliable. I have. [TS]

00:33:05   I don't think I've ever miss clicked on a track pad that had tap to click disabled. [TS]

00:33:10   To go make some flick to get to take home with the trackpad that is such a fundamental thing [TS]

00:33:14   and to make it even even five percent or one percent less reliable. You know. It's like it's like if every. [TS]

00:33:22   If every fifty attached to the space bar. Just didn't work or inserted an X. Instead. [TS]

00:33:27   You know he's making fundamental input methods. Slightly less reliable than one hundred percent. [TS]

00:33:34   Is I think a really big annoyance. I think ever she is nice but the point. [TS]

00:33:39   The fact is if you're really good with the trackpad and you don't have to click enabled. [TS]

00:33:42   It's very reliable like you very rarely have like. Unintended results from it or missed. [TS]

00:33:49   Clicks or missed gestures it's very reliable. With forced touch. Yes they did something that's really cool technically. [TS]

00:33:56   But on this fundamental level of reliability even if you can get over the feel issue which I honestly. [TS]

00:34:03   I still don't think it's as good even on the firm setting. I've heard that. [TS]

00:34:07   Happy Time makes it better in software I have not given a fair if I that yet but I heard that's better I don't know. [TS]

00:34:14   But even with the click feel. Aside for now. Which I don't think it was a small thing but put that aside for now. [TS]

00:34:22   The fact that it got even a little bit less reliable the fact that it is occasionally misinterpreting what people want [TS]

00:34:28   you want first person to say that Casey. I had that problem and I when I own one for two days. [TS]

00:34:33   I've heard many people who had to say who still have the same problem with it where it is a little bit less reliable it [TS]

00:34:38   is like you will occasionally have a mist drag or miss click or something. That to me is unacceptable. Like. [TS]

00:34:46   Why make it worse. Like to because that is it's making it worse. Why take something that is so good. [TS]

00:34:52   I don't know if it is making it that's what I was getting at with asking about the habits I don't know if it's really [TS]

00:34:56   making it worse is making it worse for you and for people whose habits are trained on the old one. [TS]

00:35:01   Because your finger you'll find your fingers doing things [TS]

00:35:03   and acting in ways that were appropriate for the old device that are not appropriate for the new one [TS]

00:35:07   but I'm not entirely sure that if you know like ignore all of us [TS]

00:35:11   and say this is the first time anyone ever use a track by this is the first computer they're ten years old they start [TS]

00:35:16   on this thing is it works for them. [TS]

00:35:18   I'm the that's one aspect of the other aspect that you talk about reliability of like I don't want to missing clicks [TS]

00:35:23   and stuff like that that may be tied or habits but the other aspect of a stick think of like the the i Pod. [TS]

00:35:28   Cook will remember that thing. The spinning wheel. [TS]

00:35:31   Apple quickly got rid of the ring that actually turns and changed into a ring that does not turn [TS]

00:35:37   but you just slide your channel. [TS]

00:35:38   Your finger around the channel and people don't like that either because it was like well yeah. [TS]

00:35:42   Maybe it was bad because that ring popped off all the time in the old one [TS]

00:35:45   but I like the fact that it actually moved now I'm swipe my sweaty finger across plastic that does not move. [TS]

00:35:50   How is that better. Well you know it's just a reduction in moving parts Apple loves to reduce moving parts. [TS]

00:35:55   This is a reduction in moving parts kind of sort of mostly. Is it. It it I mean. [TS]

00:36:00   It is because like the four sensors there's not a crack it opens up in like a said fingernails can get into food crumbs [TS]

00:36:06   and get into that you know. [TS]

00:36:08   Exerting aside the whole death and battery thing which is you know is a big motivator for this like. [TS]

00:36:12   It is one fewer moving parts and is more uniform. It is like I said the whole surface is equally capital. [TS]

00:36:18   Maybe it'll take a couple versions to figure out the feel. And there. And stuff like that in the reliability. I'm not. [TS]

00:36:24   I don't know because I don't have one [TS]

00:36:25   and I don't know if that's just because your fingers use it I know that it's coming from a mouse trying to use any kind [TS]

00:36:29   of trackpad. [TS]

00:36:30   I felt like I was you know just completely unable to but I thought it was a huge barrier between me [TS]

00:36:37   and the cursor all the sudden because I grew up with a mouse [TS]

00:36:39   and not attracted to me a long time to even become vaguely comp of the track bed and even now. [TS]

00:36:43   If I have to click and hold [TS]

00:36:44   and drag something with the trackpad like with a traditional one I have I'm an actual physical buttons [TS]

00:36:49   and behind me tell you that when a lot with the regular button. All of them I feel like a terrible. [TS]

00:36:53   And the for such track but I agree with you it doesn't feel as good to me but I feel like I'm more reliable clicking [TS]

00:36:59   and dragging again to having his own for a long period of time [TS]

00:37:01   but I'm I'm willing to believe that even though you dislike this thing strongly [TS]

00:37:06   and it is worse for you is no no that's not what I said. I don't dislike it strongly. I just think it's worse. [TS]

00:37:12   I know you can though you. Even though you think it's worse. I would say. It's definitely worse for you. [TS]

00:37:17   So far even though you don't have a very long time either [TS]

00:37:19   but I'm willing to believe that it's going to be better for people who aren't used to the all the way [TS]

00:37:23   and I'm even willing to believe that can actually be better for you three or four years from now [TS]

00:37:27   when the mechanical is a totally gone and you just kind of get used to it so. [TS]

00:37:30   But a mark in your calendar for three years to get from now to ask you how you're feeling stuck trackpad on now. [TS]

00:37:36   You know but anyway. [TS]

00:37:37   Like I get Apple is forward looking and they're saying the same thing with like who's going to use these trackpads. [TS]

00:37:44   You guys are member this but he's that trackballs down there with a button above and below the trackball [TS]

00:37:48   and use the trackball either with your thumb and then with the other thumb on the one of the top button [TS]

00:37:51   or you use the track. Trackball with your finger with your thumb on the bottom button. [TS]

00:37:57   Some people use a trackball some people like them and they replace that with you know. [TS]

00:38:00   Code Name itis the touchpad think you're like Whoa what the hell happened to the trackball this is worse I was much [TS]

00:38:05   better at controlling things I never had any mishaps or swipes [TS]

00:38:09   or whatever the ball was due to control I could feel it moving back and forth. [TS]

00:38:12   Eventually did all used to it [TS]

00:38:13   and no one is like this track that sucks i wish i had a track ball right so I feel like this is one of those type of [TS]

00:38:18   moves where it has the inevitability a few moving parts. [TS]

00:38:22   That is very in line with what Apple does [TS]

00:38:24   and what technology moves do in general just because it allows you to make think the Naren lighter [TS]

00:38:28   and there's be with things that slide back and forth against each other and I think it may be perfectly acceptable [TS]

00:38:34   and possibly even better depending on the habits for new people so I am. [TS]

00:38:38   I just I still say the jury's out on this thing. We're going to hear from all the trackball users by the way. [TS]

00:38:42   Yeah we are known remember no Remember the trackballs and Power Books. [TS]

00:38:45   Some people still use them like they're the big external debt problems they still make them all yet another. [TS]

00:38:50   That's the people who don't understand how mouse works and I'd like to turn it over the ball the sitting down guys. [TS]

00:38:57   I don't know numbers and I thought Paul and I that I guess. I was an expert cleaning mouse balls let me tell you. Yeah. [TS]

00:39:04   I made to get tweezers. To peel off the big like. Yeah. Get it all in one piece. Yeah. [TS]

00:39:09   If you're if you're lucky Oh come off want these going to scrape it. It's so gross. This is so amazing. [TS]

00:39:17   So yeah so in case we weren't going to get enough email. Let me make it better. Trackpads are barbaric. [TS]

00:39:24   The only one true mobile pointing device is the track point. Period. That is the deal. [TS]

00:39:30   You know I kind of wish we still had track points. [TS]

00:39:33   Like an Apple product because I think I agree with you because I had. I had Think Pads from e-bay back forever ago. [TS]

00:39:42   Before I get myself like a new laptop. I would get like old terrible thing pads on e Bay every couple of years. [TS]

00:39:48   For like three hundred. So I had. I had track points here and there briefly in my younger years and I like them a lot. [TS]

00:39:58   I really really like them a lot but I wonder if you know. [TS]

00:40:02   If you know the same way like I thought the sake of Saturn had awesome graphics. When it came out. [TS]

00:40:08   And then I thought you know. Ten years later and did not think that anymore. [TS]

00:40:12   I wonder like do track points still hold up today. Then they never held up it's what it's like flying. [TS]

00:40:19   Flying the space ship. Cursor pointer. With a joystick. [TS]

00:40:22   That's what you're doing with the trackpad you are basically riding on top of the cursor which is a spaceship that you [TS]

00:40:27   are controlling on the screen with a joystick. It is not in direct manipulation. [TS]

00:40:32   Crack pads are better than little track point I know people like them [TS]

00:40:35   and they have one advantage which is it allows you to keep your fingers on the keyboard. [TS]

00:40:39   You just gotta move your finger over between the F. and G. [TS]

00:40:41   or Of the hell the thing was in the keyboards and use it over there [TS]

00:40:44   and ignore the fact that it's cutting into your key caps a little. [TS]

00:40:48   And it's good to keep everything the same place like that's. That's one advantage. Everything else about it sucks. [TS]

00:40:52   Like as in how quickly can you move the poor cursor toward something that you are interested in all. [TS]

00:40:58   You know get out of the thing about it is. If I'm really honest. [TS]

00:41:04   Myself most of this is an astrologer [TS]

00:41:06   and if you don't know what I'm talking about the track point on a Think Pad was always almost always read if not always [TS]

00:41:11   read. They were also often times put on Dell's among many other manufacturers it's a little nubbin. [TS]

00:41:16   That's in between I think it's actually the G. H. and B. [TS]

00:41:19   Keys I don't have one in front of me but I believe that's right. [TS]

00:41:21   And so you would push a little not in a kind of was basically a little joystick you push a little nubbin you know [TS]

00:41:26   forwarding back inside side. And there were Mel's buttons. Immediately below the space bar. [TS]

00:41:32   And that's where most buttons were and. I would for why. [TS]

00:41:36   On that track point [TS]

00:41:37   and it was so much more accurate to me then I am on a trackpad even after having a trackpad for the last. [TS]

00:41:43   What eight years or something like that ten years. I still genuinely prefer a track point. [TS]

00:41:50   The one place where Track point. Just completely falls down is Multi Touch. [TS]

00:41:55   In terms of like swiping So for example what are they called now as an exposé now is a Mission Control now though I [TS]

00:42:00   feel like they're always changing the name but I've lost track Mr control as of a couple years ago. [TS]

00:42:04   This control thing where you can swipe between desktops that I'd use that constantly. And not being able to do that.. [TS]

00:42:12   What is a three finger swipe not being able to do that three fingers why would absolutely ruined me on a Mac.. [TS]

00:42:19   But any time I'm on a desktop. Excuse me anytime I'm on a P.C. If there's if it's a P.C. That has a track point. [TS]

00:42:27   That's immediately where I'm reaching. Because I just think it's better. [TS]

00:42:31   And I think Im still more accurate with it even though I never use one anymore. [TS]

00:42:36   But to be fair I think a lot of that is missed all ginned in it's because it's what I grew up on because my dad worked [TS]

00:42:41   for I.B.M. and So I was always using old Think Pads just like Marco and. [TS]

00:42:45   And so I've always always always used track points up until I started using Macs and C.S.I. [TS]

00:42:52   Still think the track points the way to go when John you're entitled to your opinion [TS]

00:42:54   and strong as it may be please don't e-mail us do the things you don't have opinions about the things you can test. [TS]

00:42:59   You could have just you know a series of targets you have to get and measure time for. [TS]

00:43:04   Accuracy and like you can actually figure this stuff out for an individual person. [TS]

00:43:08   For people in general if you don't testers like we don't have to destroy any theory that could be tested. [TS]

00:43:12   You know you can also test whether vinyl sounds good or not but when if I ever cared about that had also been done. [TS]

00:43:17   You're right they can be tested and has been so check. All right track. [TS]

00:43:22   But I have you ever seen the mouse with the track point in it we had them. [TS]

00:43:25   Like a think of where your think of where your scroll wheel is that seems crazy to me it's like you've got a mouse in [TS]

00:43:30   your hand. Sometimes people just like the something that the do with their fingers. [TS]

00:43:37   And I say we have at least we've been calling it the nub [TS]

00:43:39   and we've been staying away from the various other names for this thing that. Yeah. We're good. We're doing well. [TS]

00:43:45   The other thing I wanted to say is. I happen to think that track points are terrible but as excusing our track points. [TS]

00:43:54   Touchpads are terrible. But as touchpads go. The Apple touchpads are far and away. [TS]

00:44:01   Leaps and bounds better than any other touch pad it ever used and I think. [TS]

00:44:04   And I think the multi touches a lot to do with that but some me the biggest reason that's true. [TS]

00:44:09   Is because of the sheer size of the touch pad. [TS]

00:44:13   Because maybe it's different recently a newer P.C.'s haven't used a terribly modern P.C. [TS]

00:44:17   In a year or two but on P.C.'s up until at least a couple years ago. [TS]

00:44:23   From the trackpads were Heinie they were postage stamps compared to what you get on an apple on an Apple device. [TS]

00:44:30   And that just made it impossible to me it's like Have you ever seen someone to use a mouse on a space that is nowhere [TS]

00:44:36   near big enough for that mouse yet [TS]

00:44:39   but use the cell David cell like a mouse pad is there like four inches by four inches right. [TS]

00:44:43   It's not even a mouth bad yeah it's just that we're in so all you hear is the entire time they're using the SO HERE'S [TS]

00:44:51   because they're constantly picking up the damn ounce and putting it back on the table. It's the worst. [TS]

00:44:56   I think give us a music like at a point of. [TS]

00:44:58   Sale and they don't have a place for the mouse it's like wedged between like the monitor [TS]

00:45:01   and like little Thanks They're literally using you like. [TS]

00:45:04   I was like I have a centimeter of slop and so like thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump. [TS]

00:45:09   Get up every three pixels they move the think sometimes they're using it upside down [TS]

00:45:13   and never see those people know that I've not seen. [TS]

00:45:15   That was a big thing back in the early days where people aren't familiar with mice and they would get one. [TS]

00:45:20   And you know there's no clear way you're supposed to use it if you're never using me for so they would turn it around [TS]

00:45:25   so that the wires coming out sort of towards them. And you know the mouse works fine like that it's like inverted Y. [TS]

00:45:30   Axis in a video game right. And they would press the button is a single button double with their palm. [TS]

00:45:35   Left or right side of their palm and some people just got Want to using a mouse like that [TS]

00:45:39   and that was just it that's like that's the way they're going to use now so the rest their life [TS]

00:45:42   and someone eventually comes I know it goes around the other way [TS]

00:45:45   and put your fingers over here in the like Oh well like the other way like you get used to inverted why you get used to [TS]

00:45:50   using the bottoms of your palms and that's who's to say that bad. [TS]

00:45:54   Really I mean you kind of run over the court a little bit [TS]

00:45:56   but you know it's was all used to some people left handed talking of leave that. [TS]

00:46:02   Are you sure those weren't just trackball users that you are misinterpreting as mass. [TS]

00:46:06   No I've seen this I've seen this in real life multiple times. [TS]

00:46:09   Why only separated geographically and over a period of time people who use the mouse upside down. I've never seen that. [TS]

00:46:15   Well I'm with you Casey I I would rather use a a forced tux trackpad on a mac book one. Said to the squishy a setting. [TS]

00:46:24   Then use the best P.C. Trackpad available. Oh yeah. [TS]

00:46:27   I think it's not just the size two it's also I don't know if they're not made of glass. [TS]

00:46:30   You know it's too expensive but they're always made out of like. [TS]

00:46:33   Sometimes it's textured plastic or some other kind of plastic that feels bad or like ends up getting like bubbles [TS]

00:46:39   or wrinkles [TS]

00:46:40   and it just it just feels like the cheapest they never felt in your life compared to like Apple has trial the same [TS]

00:46:45   trajectory they riginal code name I distracted on the first up our book was plasticky and guard. But G.N. Terrible. [TS]

00:46:52   That's what Windows trackpad to like. [TS]

00:46:54   Now Apple slowly progress making its track bed [TS]

00:46:56   and might just the might distract that was really tiny it was like like the size of the to combine mouse buttons on my [TS]

00:47:01   mouse. [TS]

00:47:02   And Apple does get making the bigger and bigger and bigger and making the button part smaller and smaller [TS]

00:47:06   and then moving the bottom part of making a glass and P.C. [TS]

00:47:09   Manufacturers that you know what are you know sloppy the plastic on here with some cheap sensor hunting that's fine for [TS]

00:47:15   now the only other thing I want to say because I don't pick up to doff enough people yet the seeming. [TS]

00:47:22   I used to have to click. And I just want to throw it out there. I don't have a problem with it. [TS]

00:47:27   I don't see why everyone so worked up about it. I don't see what the issue is. I don't typically. [TS]

00:47:32   Click by way of tapping. But I can go either way I can swing either way and I'm OK with that. [TS]

00:47:38   Do you do you just using TAP TO CLICK now and with a new thing have you always you know. Always. [TS]

00:47:42   Well then you have no reason to ever complained about missed clicks or accidental quite right. Yourself. [TS]

00:47:47   Yet you deserve any unreliability in tapping that you get. [TS]

00:47:51   I think no I think that the quickly I'm not super Andy tactic like. Here's what I think about how to look. [TS]

00:47:57   If you are attached to click wizard. I think it's better. [TS]

00:48:00   Like I feel like the expert mode because you don't have to apply a lot of pressure like if you have somehow trained [TS]

00:48:05   yourself to magically dance your fingers across a surface. [TS]

00:48:08   And you can walk about the line between putting your finger down into the thing and tapping to click. [TS]

00:48:15   It is more efficient because you don't have to press hard right. But I can know I can't do it. [TS]

00:48:20   I know when I enable i get missed. [TS]

00:48:22   Clicks all the time and I try to do I would like to be a tap to click with her but I'm just not right and. [TS]

00:48:26   Almost everyone else I've ever seen. They accidently had to click to. [TS]

00:48:30   And they're just that is willing to accept the error rate as just the cost of doing business. [TS]

00:48:33   I mean my own mother uses it. [TS]

00:48:34   Because there's more comfortable you don't have to press it hard there is sort of a a luxury [TS]

00:48:39   and a kind of a higher level of user interface like it's one step removed is waving your hands in front of something a [TS]

00:48:45   Minority Report style or with ALS a thing called the track pointy thing. Remember that. [TS]

00:48:50   I actually use that I've attached to my computer is cool the thing where you go and put your hand over the photo bar [TS]

00:48:55   and you see that this five point three or five finger tips and move them around. [TS]

00:48:58   Why what I think I like i'm application of all you guys all remember. Well anyway. [TS]

00:49:05   So I actually one of the reasons why I think I resist. Tap to click. Is because I secretly want to be a tactic wizard. [TS]

00:49:13   I would love it. [TS]

00:49:14   If I was really good at it and really used to it because it does seem like it would be superior if it was perfect. [TS]

00:49:20   And it's silent. [TS]

00:49:22   And there's lots of time to go I'm using a laptop in bed trying to get some work done before going to sleep [TS]

00:49:25   or something like there's lots of times even while pod casting. [TS]

00:49:30   I would love to you know get like a Magic Trackpad and be able to like to have to click on it comfortably. [TS]

00:49:34   And there and then have silent. Now saying. [TS]

00:49:37   Well pocket you know Celtic I would love that but I just I've tried it here and there for like couple days at a time [TS]

00:49:43   and you could never get into it and it's not that it's not reliable it has a threshold. This is a tab. [TS]

00:49:48   And this is not a top right. It's just that you can't walk about line. [TS]

00:49:52   Very often you will find your fingers hitting the pad with enough force to go over that threshold [TS]

00:49:56   and you didn't mean to and you don't have control that threshold really either. [TS]

00:50:00   So I think it is you know as reliable as a button it's like if you press [TS]

00:50:03   or doesn't want to FORCE I considered a click give your resume and last lot I don't [TS]

00:50:06   but you find your finger is hitting the thing and causing taps [TS]

00:50:10   and you didn't want to buy the by the name of things called Leap Motion on your member. Late motion. [TS]

00:50:14   I think I've heard the name. Go click the link I just put in the chat room and the show not you'll remember it. [TS]

00:50:18   I had one of them I tried it out when the S.B. K. [TS]

00:50:21   Was and like bad or whatever it was really neat and cool [TS]

00:50:23   and fun to use in the demo I'm not sure how you could use it to control any piece of software [TS]

00:50:27   but it was a cool tech them a. I have never heard of or seen this in my life. [TS]

00:50:31   You had to we had of them like the show notes I think for this show at some point. [TS]

00:50:35   What I mean it's pilots possible I don't have that kind of memory but I don't think I've ever seen them [TS]

00:50:40   or heard of a different show meant a lot of hi guys anyway. Take a look at the videos. [TS]

00:50:45   This is a real thing and the demos like. You can get the stings to confront your mac. [TS]

00:50:49   And do the thing the show on the demo no works like it shows in the demo what I'm just not sure about is like OK can I. [TS]

00:50:55   Is it useful for me to use to control my mouse pointer. Probably not as a useful for gaming. [TS]

00:51:01   Maybe maybe someone can make the game with that there is a lot of noise and kind of buzz in the thing [TS]

00:51:05   and there's a lot of freedom of where you can put your limbs in front of it so there's the potential to be a sort of [TS]

00:51:11   miscalibrated off but. Sure is an interesting piece of technology. [TS]

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00:54:24   So Marco it's also about what you think is happening with the i Phone six C. Is that interesting so I don't know. [TS]

00:54:32   So there's been all the everyone speculating that. You know that there we've had the i Phone five C. [TS]

00:54:36   Which is like the redone i Phone five with the plastic case and everything and. [TS]

00:54:42   You know everyone's now saying well we hope this fall with a new i Phones come out there's gonna be a sick see every [TS]

00:54:47   kind of expecting it as if it's fact like Oh yeah they're going to be a six seater going to redo the internals [TS]

00:54:51   and everything and it will be the Sixes guts in a plastic four inch. Inexpensive phone. [TS]

00:54:58   I personally I said on Twitter earlier this week I don't see that happening at all because the simple reason is that we [TS]

00:55:05   always for the last many years now. [TS]

00:55:08   We have seen pretty pretty solid healthy amount of parts leaks in the late summer leading up to the fall i Phone really [TS]

00:55:15   is because the fact is the supply chain for making millions and millions of i Phones to be bought all once day one. [TS]

00:55:26   This just like. It is it is very unrealistic to expect that they would have a brand new model of i Phone. [TS]

00:55:33   Even if it isn't the top of the line when they would have a brand new model using a new casing a new parts. [TS]

00:55:38   And those parts. Wouldn't be leaking at all yet. It is possible if I do think it's unlikely. [TS]

00:55:44   And so I think if there was going to be a sixty. There would be some changes to the casing. [TS]

00:55:50   Certainly even if it looked kind of the same. There's always minor variation you know. [TS]

00:55:54   Whenever there's like an ass model. You know where like the case stays a bit. [TS]

00:55:58   Basically the same but there's a new guts. The the parts are actually different enough. [TS]

00:56:02   Even on the casing that those always leak and those in fact have leaked already for. [TS]

00:56:07   What is called in quotes the i Phone six S. Presumably like the main. I Phone six Update for this fall. [TS]

00:56:14   There have already been leaked parts for that there was a back case there was a screen. [TS]

00:56:19   So we have seen nothing else though there. We haven't even seen the six S. [TS]

00:56:24   Plus parts leaks yet why assume there will be one because I'd be weird if there wasn't [TS]

00:56:27   but you know so always seemed so far as a success parts. [TS]

00:56:31   I would assume based on that then that we're not going to see any new totally new looking extreme cases. [TS]

00:56:38   And they were probably giving the C. I Phone five. And i Phone six C. I think the i Phone five. See. [TS]

00:56:43   Falls out of the lineup or replaces the four S. Which is still for sale today in some markets right isn't that like. [TS]

00:56:48   Unlike some like India and China markets isn't that still for sale. The for us. [TS]

00:56:51   I think so I don't know I mean I remember when they were saying they were keeping it but only in certain regions [TS]

00:56:56   but I don't know how long right so I assume. [TS]

00:56:58   I think it's probably safe to assume that the that everything basically it was down a step. So you have the five C. [TS]

00:57:04   Moving to that spot in the US. [TS]

00:57:06   and a lot of like you know rich countries basically you have the cheapest phone becoming the five S. [TS]

00:57:12   And then you have the old six and six plus maybe at least the old six maybe the six plus who knows. And then. [TS]

00:57:19   The new success and success plus. And that's the lineup. And I don't think there's. [TS]

00:57:23   It doesn't seem like is that hard to predict. And you know maybe there's going to be a new. [TS]

00:57:28   You know Rose gold color people are speculating who knows but I don't think we're going to see a new low end model. [TS]

00:57:34   I think that the same though because I think the five C. [TS]

00:57:36   Have a lot of really good attributes so obviously the guts are outdated or whatever [TS]

00:57:40   and if you're going to keep a phone like that on the in a lineup you have to change the innards [TS]

00:57:46   but does our talk about likely the do i Pod Touch like oh and eight and a five C. Size case like. [TS]

00:57:52   You could make that into a replacement. Five C. Type phone which would be the old four inch screen. [TS]

00:57:58   The thing that has going for it for the people you can ask someone who owns them why did you get this. [TS]

00:58:01   We all know somebody who is like. And I was developer or otherwise tech nerd who usually gets the best fanciest phone. [TS]

00:58:08   But decided to get a five C. What's so great about the five say. Number one comes in colors. People like colors. [TS]

00:58:14   Just people like them. You want to have a phone with a white back or yellow back or whatever. [TS]

00:58:19   These Your choices are you just get a case [TS]

00:58:21   and slap around people like things that come in call if the i Pod taught us anything. [TS]

00:58:25   Number two it's super comfortable nice curved back like the plastic the people who have them in like them. [TS]

00:58:30   Say one of the reasons they like it is it feels especially compared to the stupid five and five S. [TS]

00:58:34   With the little sharp. Chamfered edge crap like not as comfortable in your hand. [TS]

00:58:39   And those two things may sound stupid like who cares. Whatever. [TS]

00:58:43   How comfortable it is just a big rectangle is free and what color it is those things matter [TS]

00:58:47   and specially in product lines and. I think that. You know. [TS]

00:58:52   Maybe didn't solve the expectations maybe didn't think it was worth it may be better just keep using the tooling for [TS]

00:58:57   the things I'm not saying it has to be in the five C. [TS]

00:59:00   Thing I just think those are things that Apple should bring to its phones [TS]

00:59:03   and they are kind of like giving you know over time there have been more and more variations [TS]

00:59:07   and all the profit in a lot topless point you're getting golden space grain stuff right. [TS]

00:59:11   Expanding the repertoire of things you can buy. And if Apple wants to segment it's a line. [TS]

00:59:16   You can kind of do like it used to be like aluminum was for the expensive ones [TS]

00:59:20   and plastic for the cheaper ones they went all the Manana and. [TS]

00:59:23   You could have a more kind of refined a line of colors but space greying gold and black [TS]

00:59:28   or whatever for the fancy high end phones. [TS]

00:59:30   And then as you go middle or lower have them come in seven hundred different colors right you know. [TS]

00:59:34   Have different colors change every year and. [TS]

00:59:37   Mark on where you're making our little case with the holes and it was mixing and matching things like that silly. [TS]

00:59:41   They're overpriced. People like to do stuff like that maybe that particular design was ugly and didn't sell well. [TS]

00:59:47   But I really really think that Apple should bring back at some point. Into its lineup of phones. A selection of colors. [TS]

00:59:55   And a more comfortable thing to hold. [TS]

00:59:57   And if it's not going to be this generation then hopefully like whenever that [TS]

00:59:59   or the bigger vision for the seven a revenue caught. Well but. [TS]

01:00:03   I mean [TS]

01:00:03   and first of all I should point out that I'm total hypocrite as I'm sitting there saying who the heck ever bought multiple. [TS]

01:00:09   holy cases for their i Phone five C. S. I also own three Apple watch bands but anyway. [TS]

01:00:14   I'm so angry that I didn't get to point that out. All right. But also you know. [TS]

01:00:20   If you look at the direction Apple's going with their product designs. All of the laptops now. Are metal. [TS]

01:00:26   They've been that way for a long time. They just don't use that as a differentiator anymore they use other things. [TS]

01:00:31   All the i Pads are metal plastic every step headline. If you look at the i Phone Line. [TS]

01:00:38   The i Phone six is hold a pole uncomfortable for nobody. [TS]

01:00:43   It's more comfortable than the five other than it slipping out of your hand don't you feel like the edges at least the [TS]

01:00:47   rounded edges are more comfortable. [TS]

01:00:49   Oh yes they are much more comfortable for as long as they're in your hand than they. Fall out. [TS]

01:00:53   I know I'm just saying like that's. [TS]

01:00:55   I know what you're getting I LIKE THEY GOING FOR ALL metal but I think like metal is a poor fit for all of your phones. [TS]

01:01:03   It may be a poor fit for any of your phone just look at how they struggle with like the antenna lines [TS]

01:01:08   and everything like Oh sure. No but I thought I gree with you however I was saying realistically what they're doing. [TS]

01:01:14   It sure does seem and I heard from back when I was first complaining about the F. [TS]

01:01:18   On site design which now seems like forever ago. [TS]

01:01:21   I heard from a couple of apple people who were kind of cool really suggesting. [TS]

01:01:25   Well what if the rationale was in state they would have actually said this is why we did it. [TS]

01:01:29   But but the quickly suggested rationale was basically your naked robotic core theory of like. [TS]

01:01:36   We we will just make the thinnest lightest phone. [TS]

01:01:41   The smallest and it's like this thing and then you can customize it with cases. To give it either more battery life. [TS]

01:01:49   Or more and better feel. [TS]

01:01:51   And so I [TS]

01:01:52   and I did you know with with the i Phone six this is the first from that I'm constantly isn't a case on because I use [TS]

01:01:57   in Apple's leather case because I just needed some more friction [TS]

01:01:59   but it is a valid products try to like I'm not I'm saying that's of wrong thing to do because if. [TS]

01:02:04   If faced with this option this is a great way to go but you're like do whatever you want [TS]

01:02:08   but the case will make a whole bunch of really nice cases. You can buy a bunch of third party cases. [TS]

01:02:12   When you drop your phone when you're doing it when something spills on it when you scratch it. [TS]

01:02:16   Get a new case because all the damage is happening to the case which if you buy from Apple seventy dollars for a letter [TS]

01:02:22   stuck to plastic but let's ignore that for now. And just say look this is a good plan. [TS]

01:02:26   Nigger about a quarter of them is a viable good strategy. Well. [TS]

01:02:30   See I disagree with you there are so what part of the that don't you like. The problem is that if you. [TS]

01:02:36   Let's say you has a naked robotic. You know fish phone in the middle there with the feel like nothing in the bar so OK. [TS]

01:02:43   That phone with. Let's say you want to little bit more battery life. So you buy a battery case. [TS]

01:02:49   A battery case attack to the phone is always going to be bigger and worse. Then just building that in to begin with. [TS]

01:02:57   I agree with you for the battery I'm thinking only for fashion and protection like for. [TS]

01:03:01   What color do you wanted in and when you want something to be grittier R R soak up next [TS]

01:03:05   or whatever battery you're right because your I mean if you're forced to have two layers there [TS]

01:03:10   and then all of the stuff like all the people still do it right and I still think it becomes a viable thing. [TS]

01:03:15   But it but it in a fish and I agree with you that basically that the tradeoff that Apple makes [TS]

01:03:20   and its fall in line between centers and battery life we talk about this a million times. [TS]

01:03:23   There is definitely place in line up for for a phone that Apple sells that makes a different trade off the show [TS]

01:03:28   and by the way if your most important thing is you need a really good battery life we sell you one with that as ways [TS]

01:03:32   that are there other ones. [TS]

01:03:33   You know a millimeter of the how we can equate cigarettes these days to give you more about her [TS]

01:03:38   and at this point like the six plus is kind of that model just because got the bigger battery [TS]

01:03:42   but yeah apple just does not make. [TS]

01:03:43   Does not offer a phone that's like that so they force you to get these big humpback speaking of humps on things these [TS]

01:03:48   big humpback things that you're right you have to have a layer of plastic of metal. [TS]

01:03:52   The battery another layer plastic of metal than a connector thing [TS]

01:03:55   and then it just makes your phone way bigger than it would be a thrill that in but for the color and protection stuff. [TS]

01:04:00   I think make your robotic or is a reasonably vides viable strategy but also. [TS]

01:04:04   So is selling plastic phones that are comfortable and come out of much a colors. Well but so. [TS]

01:04:09   So going back to the to the feel and protection issue though. I would say that. [TS]

01:04:14   Selling a plastic phone and selling thicker metal phones. [TS]

01:04:18   That is a better strategy than selling all the new bar soap phones [TS]

01:04:22   and letting you put cases on afterwards because the fact is people are always going to cases on if they want to case [TS]

01:04:27   like anybody who wants. Extra protection for their phone for dropping everything. [TS]

01:04:31   They're going to case to matter what shape or material a phone is doesn't matter. [TS]

01:04:35   For people who don't want to put cases on their phone. You know. [TS]

01:04:39   And there's I think a lot of those people and I think a lot of Apple people. So I just took out my I got my five S. [TS]

01:04:45   Here. M I five S. With no case which is how I used it because it's very comfortable for me with no case. [TS]

01:04:51   Is thinner and lighter and had my i Phone six. With the big leather case on it. The argument of like the battery. [TS]

01:05:00   Being better has built in. That applies also to the feel of the phone. [TS]

01:05:03   So I'm I'm both agreeing with your earlier point [TS]

01:05:06   and disagreeing with your most recent point where I think things like the nigger but of course as you falls over here. [TS]

01:05:11   Because I think you're better off just making phones. To begin with that can be used without cases. [TS]

01:05:18   And have good battery life. If you want those and if you want to even more battery life. [TS]

01:05:22   And if you want to even bigger grippy or more protective case. Those are options you can add on as well. [TS]

01:05:27   People always will do that but the basic phone I think needs to be better than what we got with the six. [TS]

01:05:34   I'd say I think that all the phones have been pretty darn slippery right. I did that. [TS]

01:05:38   That is not as a leader who by the way you never actually own the neither one. My wife had a four S. and A five. [TS]

01:05:45   And with or without the case. You know like I've. [TS]

01:05:48   They've been around [TS]

01:05:49   and of course I felt other people ones like you're right the Sixers slipperier a lot of positive with a size change [TS]

01:05:54   like that's why your five and five S. Are lighter because they're smaller phones right. [TS]

01:05:57   Sure but I always like or be phones like I was like a case like silicone or something like that and the leather one. [TS]

01:06:04   I need that proving that you can't build in that group in is because by. By the nature of that grittiness. [TS]

01:06:10   It wears out it scratches the dense it peels away it is subject to abrasions. [TS]

01:06:15   You just can't build that into the phone so you're going to make the fun of something it has to be something that [TS]

01:06:20   smooth and hard and shiny. Whether it's plastic or metal because you can't. [TS]

01:06:24   Like you'll be terrible to make a megaphone that you buy the basic like the whole back of it is leather. [TS]

01:06:29   Right but I like the feel of something that a back by letter so it has to be a removable case for that material [TS]

01:06:35   but you're saying is like before us with the glass back or whatever [TS]

01:06:38   or the five with the metal thing like make it out of a sturdy material that doesn't scratch and doesn't wear out [TS]

01:06:43   and then really subject to abrasion. But also isn't slippery. And that is really difficult to do. [TS]

01:06:48   So I feel like if you're either going to go naked robotic [TS]

01:06:51   or for metal are you going to go non-metal material that is nevertheless pretty hard. [TS]

01:06:56   You're never going to be able to you shouldn't I think make a phone. [TS]

01:06:59   That has like integrated rubber grips [TS]

01:07:02   or indicated silicon things because you're just asking for the phone to get ding dumping ugly [TS]

01:07:06   and then it's like oh I can't take this off it's not a case it's part of the phone. How does five US feels great. [TS]

01:07:12   Well signify. [TS]

01:07:13   Five us on Twitter I forget some who say on Twitter maybe was a tipster maybe with someone else talking about how Apple [TS]

01:07:19   was having difficulty with that. But the five and the five us. It was it was the five only yet. Because I was I was. [TS]

01:07:25   I was asking like you know what the five C. [TS]

01:07:27   Where there was a failure and we know what the reason was for it like it apparently got better margins and my. [TS]

01:07:33   My theory or my question was like what it would continuing to make the five. [TS]

01:07:38   But just just the advances in time [TS]

01:07:40   and mass production would they have had similar margins like was it really is that much worth it.. [TS]

01:07:44   And the answer apparently was yes. Because on the fuckin member the five and the five S. [TS]

01:07:49   The the black color was different between the two. [TS]

01:07:52   The five had had a very very dark black color I think it's called space by whatever is called the five Ascot lighter [TS]

01:07:59   color space great anyway. The black finish. On the five. Shipton flaked off. Really really easily. [TS]

01:08:07   And most of the time like. I like my five. I saw this. [TS]

01:08:10   Most of time it would show up on the on the edges the sham for the edges. [TS]

01:08:15   You'd see the bright colored aluminum shining through the plate the black finish where it had like chipped off [TS]

01:08:19   and everything. So apparently that was such a big problem for Apple and getting yields on that and everything.. [TS]

01:08:26   The tipster said that that that was one of the biggest reasons that they switched to the plastic for the five C. [TS]

01:08:32   Rather than continuing to make those black cases. [TS]

01:08:35   As the five eggs and went down the line of because any phone they make where they don't do a five C. [TS]

01:08:39   Replace it with has been every other one D.'s are made for like what four years. [TS]

01:08:44   They're made for a long time it isn't just the year they're the newest phone. [TS]

01:08:48   So if there was an issue of like this thing is proving to not a jeweller have too low manufacturing yields. [TS]

01:08:54   It might be worth it for them to switch out the entire casing and redesign the whole thing [TS]

01:08:58   and so that was clearly a contributing factor. Very likely to the five C's distance. But we don't have that now. [TS]

01:09:05   All the talk about yield Otherwise we're talking about and we can't remember back to the cause of the white back. [TS]

01:09:11   You know the four. For us. [TS]

01:09:13   Here is the white ones member like where they talk about the yellow talk about as they build this fall [TS]

01:09:16   and he goes on the manufacturing line at some point the manufacturing process as a random sampling of things [TS]

01:09:21   and you look at them as they do does this pass our quality standards and what our standards can [TS]

01:09:24   and not have any next going to has to be uniform color can you know whatever their standards are an Apple standard [TS]

01:09:29   they're pretty darn high in terms of. [TS]

01:09:31   It has to basically be perfect looking to the naked eye and maybe even with magnifying things. [TS]

01:09:36   The ones that aren't perfect it's like rejected like this one came off the line it's a. I Phone five. [TS]

01:09:41   It's black all over except this one little part here if like can often a shiny reject it [TS]

01:09:45   and every time you that it costs you money because you spend less time and you factoring this phone. [TS]

01:09:49   And now didn't pass Q.A. [TS]

01:09:50   and You don't get to sell that as of on you've got all the parts of the be recycled back when you start over [TS]

01:09:54   and try again so that's what talking about rumors about yields these things all down to what your standards are I think. [TS]

01:10:00   What would your conversation on Twitter was one of the things that was offered was that the way Apple dealt with. [TS]

01:10:05   You'll probably Benchley was they started lowering their standards a little bit. [TS]

01:10:08   Just like to not have not to be rejecting what I don't know what the percentages are and again this is all speculative. [TS]

01:10:12   Rumor blah blah we don't know this is all true [TS]

01:10:14   but these are all things that sound plausible because we know for a fact that all manufacturing has some sort of [TS]

01:10:18   quality control process [TS]

01:10:19   and we know based on what Apple sells that their quality control processes must be pretty tight because every time you [TS]

01:10:24   open up on the Apple boxes and look about going under and jewelers loop. [TS]

01:10:27   It's pretty darn Flyman look at the for can watch like. It's pretty amazing what they do on a massive scale. [TS]

01:10:33   And it doesn't take much to throw that off to say now this is costing us. [TS]

01:10:37   Big bucks because if our yield goes off by just some small percentage or fraction of ascended. [TS]

01:10:43   That's that the big deal to us but setting all that Assad. Colors are cool and five C. Is really comfortable. [TS]

01:10:48   I'm still a big fan of that idea of a phone. If not that specific phone because now the energy or old. [TS]

01:10:55   You know it's funny because on a daily basis I typically have my hands on three different generations of i Phone. [TS]

01:11:01   I have a six I have it in the leather case. I've used cases. Since shoot I think I had one of my four S.. [TS]

01:11:09   I did not have one of my three G.S. If memory serves. And I had one on my five S. So I am a case kind of guy. [TS]

01:11:17   That being said Marco I completely agree with you that even if I wasn't into cases for my phones. For the six. [TS]

01:11:23   I would absolutely have had to put one on because I do agree that it is slippy or then than any other. I Phone of and. [TS]

01:11:31   But anyway on a daily basis I will typically have my six in my hand at some point. [TS]

01:11:36   I'll have errands five S in my hands at some point that's in the Apple leather case just like mine is.. [TS]

01:11:42   And we use my old three G.S. As a white noise machine for Declan when he sleeping. [TS]

01:11:48   And so all typically pick that up to turn on the white noise. My three G.S. [TS]

01:11:52   Was a you look nice today on loop player for Adam Oh he was sleeping when he was Ipsita Exactly. So. Because of that. [TS]

01:12:02   I feel like I've I have a pretty good span of several different models and to my hand. The five S. [TS]

01:12:10   Is far and away the most comfortable. I agree with you John that the five C. Is actually more comfortable. [TS]

01:12:15   But we don't have one in the house. [TS]

01:12:17   So if I were just truly for comfort if I were to pick a new i Phone tomorrow it would be a part of my ideal i Phone. [TS]

01:12:26   tomorrow is the guts of a quote unquote success in the case of a five S. [TS]

01:12:32   That's if you had to hold a vote if you had to start actually looking at the screen. Completely agree. [TS]

01:12:35   And I think I have to have a six. [TS]

01:12:38   I still think the six plus is a little bit freakishly large but maybe if I had one I would change my tune. [TS]

01:12:44   What's interesting is so. I know this is very very unlikely. It's almost certain not to happen in this revision. [TS]

01:12:51   And it's even very unlikely for the i Phone seven. I think. [TS]

01:12:54   Or for any i Phone just because of the nature but what I would love is. If the the D.L.C. Space Black Watch finish. [TS]

01:13:03   Was available on an i Phone and i don't know enough about the materials to say. [TS]

01:13:07   It would probably have to be made of stainless steel I don't I don't know if this could bond to illuminate in the [TS]

01:13:11   correct way. But. So obviously this is a massive stretch of the imagination. But if you could do it. [TS]

01:13:18   If you could have the stainless steel D.L.C. Coding from the space Black Watch on a phone. [TS]

01:13:26   Somehow it whether it's made from still [TS]

01:13:27   and I don't care if you could do that that I think would be perfect because Elmo is going to have your virtual heap. [TS]

01:13:36   But that be great because the space bar coding is extremely durable. [TS]

01:13:40   It looks great it is very dark but it looks great [TS]

01:13:43   and it kind of feels like it's almost like a rock wrapped in vinyl kind of feeling. [TS]

01:13:48   It does not feel like slippery metal. It is a little bit tackier it's a little bit more friction. [TS]

01:13:53   It almost feels like plastic. Yeah. That would be amazing. I completely agree. Or like to make it out of plastic. [TS]

01:14:01   Feel like plastic we have that we can do that it's plastic. [TS]

01:14:05   Kind of like a not so shiny kind of mat finish really hard plastic. [TS]

01:14:09   You can be unapologetically plastic so and so that once. [TS]

01:14:14   Yes So probably not going to happen because of the materials and cost involved but wait. [TS]

01:14:18   You called it weighed like want to make it out of one of the big cylinder you have the Hudson. [TS]

01:14:22   Yeah you make a tungsten foam. The very small cylinder I have that's heavier than that book one. Good grief. [TS]

01:14:27   All right I do have some questions about upgrade cycles and some other things but anything else. [TS]

01:14:34   It's about the hardware and what may or may not happen in a couple months. Actually next month. In theory. [TS]

01:14:39   Marco had some bold predictions about flash storage capacity to. This is boring. [TS]

01:14:45   Well you make these predictions on Twitter like I totally think this is going to be and [TS]

01:14:48   when it comes time to the bad guys like me not to think is going to be either you don't because I'm I'm not ready to [TS]

01:14:55   make this prediction but you seem very sure. Well what happens is I make these predictions on Twitter. [TS]

01:15:00   And then between the time I make these projections on Twitter and now we record the pod cast. [TS]

01:15:05   I've had hundreds of people tell me I'm an idiot I'm wrong. So then I do some self doubt but. My theory here is. [TS]

01:15:13   I don't think that we're that we're going to lose the sixteen sixty four one twenty eight split on the high end models [TS]

01:15:19   now. I think that's I think that's going to be here for at least one more year. So. [TS]

01:15:23   Sixteen gigs for going to keep going on that. And I just think you know everything else like the like the the. [TS]

01:15:30   The existing six and if the six plus days which I actually predict six plus won't stay in the lineup [TS]

01:15:35   but doesn't that's not that important. I'm guessing that it does. [TS]

01:15:39   Basically what it did this past year where the six that we have today moves down a slot. [TS]

01:15:44   Becomes available in sixteen and maybe thirty two. Because right now right now the. The five S. [TS]

01:15:50   Is available in sixteen and thirty two. So maybe they would do that again. And then the existing five S. [TS]

01:15:56   That we have today is sixteen. Only. And then the. What's below that. No that's just the five C. The five C. [TS]

01:16:05   Right now is only eight right. I think that's right. So God I hope the five S. Doesn't go to eight. [TS]

01:16:11   She's they've got to stop doing that. Nothing's going to. Leave. I'm still holding out hope for a thirty two. [TS]

01:16:17   I would love if the base was thirty two. For the new six S. [TS]

01:16:21   or Whatever we're calling that [TS]

01:16:23   but I don't see it happening on Fortunately some someone want an argument very like you don't need any more apps an NG [TS]

01:16:30   I'm slicing. Yeah I mean if you look at least you know the direction that they're taking with so many I.O.'s nine. [TS]

01:16:36   Apt features and I let features. [TS]

01:16:39   You know part of that obviously that they have a lot of phones out there already the in the installed base that have [TS]

01:16:43   sixteen or even eight gigs of of space which is really unfortunate and really tight and really stingy. [TS]

01:16:49   They they have a lot of phones out there that have those capacities already. And they're going to. [TS]

01:16:53   They want all those to be able to upgrade to nine. [TS]

01:16:56   So that's a problem that they that they were trying to solve but if you look at all these like app then [TS]

01:17:00   and the various resource things they're doing all the stuff there. And there. [TS]

01:17:04   They're also promoting happening very heavily to send out a bulk email about it today and her universe to use it [TS]

01:17:09   and you can now test with internal testers which are useless. [TS]

01:17:13   All this stuff so they are clearly they are clearly laying the foundation for a world in which tiny capacity i OS [TS]

01:17:22   devices continue to exist. [TS]

01:17:23   Basically I know I feel like you know there is a reason for them to do all that was like you said all existing devices [TS]

01:17:29   they're kind of writing a wrong. [TS]

01:17:31   Already exists [TS]

01:17:32   but I I fear someone also use that to explain why we have to continue making sixteen gig devices in this next round [TS]

01:17:40   and why we don't have to make thirty two. Totally agreed. Wish I could have been there and said. [TS]

01:17:44   You're well from what I've heard from from people here and there. What I've heard. Which has no credibility whatsoever. [TS]

01:17:52   Is that it is very very hard to convince the people at Apple who matter like about things like this to convince them to [TS]

01:18:01   spend the extra couple of bucks on the bill of materials to get the bigger RAM chip or to get the bigger. [TS]

01:18:07   Flash memory chip. I believe it. I've only seen the evidence of it. [TS]

01:18:10   Exactly like we see [TS]

01:18:12   and there are some tradeoffs to like you know with ram ram use battery life so I would like you know there are some [TS]

01:18:16   chaos there but a lot of things just come down to making sure they have very very healthy margins [TS]

01:18:22   and other things like that right and just [TS]

01:18:23   and just Time marches on it's like alright I understand you have reasons for but eventually. [TS]

01:18:28   You know you got it and it's like addicts kicking and screaming dragging their feet [TS]

01:18:31   and leaving bumping the capacity is like you have the capacity of the Can we cut out thirty to make keep sixteen yeah [TS]

01:18:36   let's do that that Oh that will make me feel better for the fact that I gave you the larger capacity that we put two [TS]

01:18:41   gigs of RAM in the i Pad three kind just kind of get rid of the thirty doing good sixteen to money money money. [TS]

01:18:46   I just wish I could convince these people of the of the long term. [TS]

01:18:51   Downsides like that look at our customers that what long term downs out there talking about [TS]

01:18:55   and totally invisible I agree that's probably invisible them. [TS]

01:18:58   But we all know from seeing the experiences like that that it's like tiny little nicks of doubt [TS]

01:19:04   and damage for the person who can't lie can't upgrade because their phone is full of like I will fix that it's all for [TS]

01:19:08   the next version. Can't fit all their stuff on it and like. [TS]

01:19:11   Well we'll figure out more gracefully handle when you run out of store. Like all these things are good to do. [TS]

01:19:17   But another thing you can do is stop selling sixteen gig phones. That's nothing you can do. [TS]

01:19:21   And eventually you have to eventually you have to like you have to venture stop selling ates you're going to much like [TS]

01:19:25   the don't want to believe that it will be sixteen forever like. [TS]

01:19:29   You know I don't want to have to use my argument again which doesn't have a name that we've agreed upon [TS]

01:19:32   but has a like twenty seventy five sixteen gig. I've always find we did up the name some. [TS]

01:19:38   You got operate eventually people. [TS]

01:19:40   And it's just a matter of arguing over what year it's going to be and I feel like the year. [TS]

01:19:44   I want to be is like two to three years ever than the year Apple wants it to be so we should. [TS]

01:19:49   So what kind of time scale we would need to to get that you just need them to agree that that is going to happen. [TS]

01:19:56   And then make them take which year it's going to happen it. Yeah you agree with me this technique will go away. [TS]

01:20:02   What near all that happened well not this year for sure. OK. [TS]

01:20:04   We've narrowed it down not this year will happen next year not next year [TS]

01:20:09   but ask me again next year we'll have in the year after that and you just keep going [TS]

01:20:12   and then eventually you're seventy five years out and like look we're all dead now [TS]

01:20:15   and you still think the basic need bones like I just scans to have the margins. Can't do it. Yeah. [TS]

01:20:20   Well because you know if you think about like. You know the i Phones for Apple's financials point of view. [TS]

01:20:26   You know from the stock and from you know their their fans will perform and everything. [TS]

01:20:30   The i Phone is their most important product by a long shot [TS]

01:20:33   and anything that drives up the average selling price of i Phones. Is a pretty big deal to them. It's. [TS]

01:20:40   It's a huge deal for for their money it's a huge deal for Tim Cook's evaluation like by the market and the press [TS]

01:20:48   and maybe the board who knows. But that's not how they operate though. [TS]

01:20:51   Because you know how they could save a lot of money. [TS]

01:20:53   Use crappy materials and doubly so obsessed with a stupid chamfered edges [TS]

01:20:56   but those people the people who want that stuff to be perfect. They win the arguments they say. Well sure. Yes. [TS]

01:21:02   We could do this much more cheaply. And we wouldn't have always Q.A. [TS]

01:21:06   Problems and by the way to be tips [TS]

01:21:07   or wants us to know they didn't actually decrease their stance they do is increase their standards earlier in their [TS]

01:21:11   production process to not let those cases end up being a bleed or. Those people win their arguments. [TS]

01:21:17   Because you could save tons of money leave you to be a P.C. [TS]

01:21:20   Manufacture make sure you track pass out of plastic it's a way cheaper. [TS]

01:21:23   Look at those huge margins but they don't do that why because they want to make the best products they can. [TS]

01:21:28   And I feel like at this point. Selling phones for one hundred or two hundred dollars. [TS]

01:21:33   With or does even you can even three hundred dollars one with sixteen gigs. [TS]

01:21:37   Of flash storage is making your products worse for people in a way that is avoidable. With not too much. You know. [TS]

01:21:45   Wouldn't hurt your margins that much in the same way. Like if you need to trade off. [TS]

01:21:49   Maybe find a way to make it out of cheaper easier to my I think they did that I think a six Plus it's easier to [TS]

01:21:55   manufacture this curve piece of aluminum than it was to manufacture the five in the five S. [TS]

01:21:59   With little chamfered edges it seems like I don't know any minute accurate it seems to me. [TS]

01:22:02   This one must be cheaper to manufacture head. [TS]

01:22:04   So that use some of that money that you saved making easier to manufacture case that either to get the pass he way. [TS]

01:22:10   Put that into maybe having a thirty two gig model. [TS]

01:22:13   Somewhere in your lineup and maybe not selling sixteen at the top of the line. [TS]

01:22:17   But it's it's not about saving the you know five or ten bucks whatever the cost is of the flash chip in. [TS]

01:22:23   You know going from zero to it's about the people who upgrade. [TS]

01:22:28   Who paid the extra hundred dollars to go from sixteen to sixty four. [TS]

01:22:32   Who wouldn't have done that if the base model was thirty two. Yeah you're right I know it comes out the money. [TS]

01:22:38   Like there's always going to like well they're really sensitive money is a big prog line any small change in a device [TS]

01:22:43   the cells in this volume for this amount of money. [TS]

01:22:45   It adds up to big numbers [TS]

01:22:46   and he writes the anchoring it's like well I don't want to sixteen is my only other choice is sixty four [TS]

01:22:51   and they can charge more for sixty four sixty or so much bigger than sixty eight like all that stuff is all true. [TS]

01:22:55   Just like you know those type of pricing games and stuff like you can play those [TS]

01:22:59   but the worst thing you can do is put a product into the hands of people. [TS]

01:23:03   That is going to give them a less satisfactory experience a spec. That will just get worse over time. [TS]

01:23:09   That will make them. Have bad feelings about you or your products. I agree but Apple has always done that. [TS]

01:23:15   They've always had like you know very low RAM configurations unlike the base model laptops [TS]

01:23:19   and stuff like that they came out of that I felt like they got over that like it was a really dark time where like you [TS]

01:23:25   see you know your new. [TS]

01:23:27   You know three thousand dollar mac come standard was an obscenely small amount of RAM It might as well be empty. [TS]

01:23:33   Don't even try to use it in this configuration. [TS]

01:23:36   And by the way if you don't buy your Rams from us and void the warranty and like. Those are the bad old days. [TS]

01:23:40   I felt like they came out of that especially [TS]

01:23:43   when I started soldering RAM on the board that's one of the best things that happen to them Ram was because they were [TS]

01:23:46   forced to use the same amount. Right because if there was a kind of you know. [TS]

01:23:50   It's a prolapsed up but we put solder on the board for gigs. And you can expand it. [TS]

01:23:55   Like so they were forced to pick say numbers are I think that was a plus the flash. [TS]

01:23:59   And i Phones is that their new area of backsliding made us feel like we can get away with it for just way too long. [TS]

01:24:05   Well and they. They obviously can't get away with it. I know. [TS]

01:24:09   But there's there are there are it's ramifications I mean what Todd has some ideas that are now. What is the fall. [TS]

01:24:16   I'll even give them the current lineup that we've all got. [TS]

01:24:19   You know in our handle even given that sixty and find you get a pass on that one but this year. [TS]

01:24:23   I really really really hope in the top of the line product doesn't even go down to sixteen. [TS]

01:24:27   And that there's definitely a thirty two. You want to bet. I would not bet against that because I think it's about. [TS]

01:24:32   At least a fifty fifty chance that you're right and that it's going to go down to sixteen [TS]

01:24:36   but I just I just really you know. If only just because like that's the phones that they're making like. I'll bet. [TS]

01:24:42   I'll bet you a sixteen gig S.D. Card that. This is that the base model and things like seen. I would not take that bet. [TS]

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01:27:50   Once again. I have a couple of questions about upgrading. So last year I was off cycle but I treated myself. [TS]

01:27:59   And somehow convinced Aaron that it was worth it to get a six out of contract. [TS]

01:28:04   Well that's not even true it was like kind of in contract on it was weird anyway. [TS]

01:28:07   Like the half subsidiary pay four hundred bucks for something exactly. [TS]

01:28:11   This was on a team to be this year Aaron is unequivocal the due for a new phone her five S. [TS]

01:28:17   Is two years old or will be two years old it is her time. We'll see if I can convince her slash me. [TS]

01:28:24   If I should also get a new phone we'll see how that goes. [TS]

01:28:28   But my understanding and I have not really had any time to look into this you have a minor standing is eighteen T. [TS]

01:28:33   and Most of the other carriers have largely done away with the subsidy. And two year contract. [TS]

01:28:40   Dance that has been going on for forever and a day. Do you guys happen to know anything about how this is working. [TS]

01:28:48   Man I tried to bring research before the show. Because I've also heard the same thing that. [TS]

01:28:53   Apparently in Apple stores this fall if you buy the phone there an Apple store. Apparently. [TS]

01:28:59   I heard that they won't do subsidies at all [TS]

01:29:01   or that they you have to do these like eight hundred next type plans were like you pay per month. [TS]

01:29:06   Additional amounts for the phone for like X. [TS]

01:29:08   Months and which by the way is apparently like how the entire rustler world works and is like. [TS]

01:29:13   It's the more sane way to do it is the the less manipulative waves Oh the waiving the price now is to fool you into. [TS]

01:29:20   You know you're not good you people's brains aren't good religion exactly how much money they're paying over the X. [TS]

01:29:24   Number of years for this. [TS]

01:29:25   Like they don't see the subsidies like oh I get a phone for two hundred bucks [TS]

01:29:28   and I have a monthly bill that bill so much better to me [TS]

01:29:30   and don't want to do the math to figure out you know what you're actually paying more so I'm kind of baffled as to why [TS]

01:29:36   they're changing it because the Voodoo of that pricing. Works really well may be competitive pressure from. [TS]

01:29:44   I don't know from Team Mobil I can't even think of why the how much. [TS]

01:29:47   You know because the underdog the crappy carriers the don't have good coverage that are trying to customers like a we [TS]

01:29:52   have honest pricing and you can do math and figure out how it works and Bob Law. To try to attract customers. [TS]

01:29:57   Maybe that's putting some pressure on eighteen timber Aizen But honestly it's a mystery to me why they would. [TS]

01:30:03   Why they would go from a confusing pricing plan that makes people feel like they're not paying a lot [TS]

01:30:07   but really they are to a pricing plan that is initially more often because you see the real costs. [TS]

01:30:12   But it actually more fatter. Fair and understandable in the long term. But one thing's for sure. [TS]

01:30:17   I think this is not good news for Apple. Like to me. I think. [TS]

01:30:22   I think having the i Phone being compared on an subsidized pricing at any level even if you try to. [TS]

01:30:27   You know put it in as I WILL This is the i Phone six S. [TS]

01:30:30   Will be twenty five dollars a month more on the i Phone six will be twenty dollars a month more you know they've even [TS]

01:30:34   if you try to break into like kind of like layaway plan pricing like that. [TS]

01:30:38   Having the real price become more visible anyway without the subsidies. [TS]

01:30:43   Is almost certain to negatively effect i Phone sales under the golden. [TS]

01:30:48   Give the fact also like it was Aren't the carrier is doing this cross all their phones or just for the i Phone. [TS]

01:30:52   They think they are doing it across all their phones [TS]

01:30:54   but now it is creating a price on ballot for people to go under Apple on [TS]

01:31:00   and some phones already are cheaper than Apple's. I think it will greatly help. Things like like one of the. [TS]

01:31:05   Is it the Moto X. [TS]

01:31:07   Whatever the cheaper [TS]

01:31:08   but they though they've always been cheaper they've always been like the free with contract phone or whatever like. [TS]

01:31:12   I guess it depends on like how much bigger are Apple subsidies than they are for the basically comparable phones for [TS]

01:31:19   the top of the line Samsung smartphone or whatever like the. I think the. [TS]

01:31:22   The pricing on the box is that in some alike it's you know one ninety nine to get you into the best Samsung Galaxy S. [TS]

01:31:29   Whatever they're up to and one ninety nine for the best i Phone. [TS]

01:31:32   And the only difference maybe will actually behind the scenes even though the that. [TS]

01:31:35   The list price for you is one ninety nine plus. You know two year contract. Behind the scenes. [TS]

01:31:40   The carriers are paying Apple way more than they're paying Samsung and so once that becomes visible suddenly. [TS]

01:31:44   It's not one ninety nine versus one ninety I actually a much bigger number for the i Phone. [TS]

01:31:49   Versus a smaller number for the. Supposedly equivalent top of the line. [TS]

01:31:54   You know Samsung phone and that's true then that could hurt Apple [TS]

01:31:56   but I think it hurt everybody across the board because people don't want to see the real fight. [TS]

01:32:01   The real price of their their smartphone I mean I guess we get used to because like you said that's how the rest the [TS]

01:32:05   world kind of does it and it's still kind of hidden you know it's like plus X. Number of mounts per month for X. [TS]

01:32:09   Number of months [TS]

01:32:10   and they'll still be enough multiplication to stop people from doing it as opposed to like basically buying on lock [TS]

01:32:15   phone like OK. You made twelve hundred dollars of the hell it is for the unlocking I was not you. [TS]

01:32:20   Twelve telephones like you are used don't know it right. And the other problem is in the US. [TS]

01:32:28   Up till now in the US if you kept buying late the contract discounts ways. [TS]

01:32:32   And these these plans have been like these pay every month things have been around for about a year or two now [TS]

01:32:37   but a lot of people still haven't been using them and. [TS]

01:32:40   So up until now if you if you're on the big carriers basically eighty of rising in the US. [TS]

01:32:44   If you let say you're on a two year contract. At the end of those two years. [TS]

01:32:50   Your bill doesn't go down like once your phone is like quote paid off from for the contract. [TS]

01:32:55   Your bill has not decreased. [TS]

01:32:57   And so you basically had a reason to go into the phone store and pick out a new phone for quote free. Every two years. [TS]

01:33:05   Because you could. Because there was no. [TS]

01:33:08   There was no new cost to you to do that because you were paying for a subsidy whether you were using it [TS]

01:33:14   or not your bills data same with these plans. That is changing. And so now. [TS]

01:33:22   I think you're right John like you know this is two sided one is Apple could be vulnerable to people get having cheaper [TS]

01:33:27   phones in them. [TS]

01:33:28   But two inches bigger [TS]

01:33:29   but you're right if everybody is that now I think people will expect their phones to last longer than two years. [TS]

01:33:36   And they won't upgrade as frequently. Because the whole the entire the entire smartphone business. [TS]

01:33:41   The reason why Apple is never going to find another thing like the i Phone is never going to be like the next great [TS]

01:33:47   product that is as good financially for Apple as the i Phone it was because. [TS]

01:33:52   There was nothing like the subsidized cell phone market like. There is nothing. [TS]

01:33:57   It's such a weird little oddity of a market where everybody buys a phone. [TS]

01:34:01   Like everybody and smartphones in so many countries and especially in the U.S. [TS]

01:34:06   Have been so heavily subsidized over the years that not only is everybody buying these expensive devices [TS]

01:34:12   and they could have these high. Behind the scenes pricing to know what I was seeing them. [TS]

01:34:16   But also people would update them constantly. [TS]

01:34:20   People take their phones way more often than they would update their computers or any [TS]

01:34:23   or any other like five hundred dollar life trying to devise or more. You know people to their phones every. [TS]

01:34:28   I think it was like every eighteen months on average. [TS]

01:34:30   Some like that for most of the world was a guess partly because phones are at the point where they're getting we're in [TS]

01:34:36   the high the early phase of smartphones like every new phone is better in some significant way [TS]

01:34:40   and eventually that will start slowing down just like it did with feces. Maybe but this. [TS]

01:34:45   This subsidy model that we've had has been I think. Artificially inflated. [TS]

01:34:50   Both the prices that these companies can charge for the phones. Because you know. [TS]

01:34:54   And i Pod touch with an eight inside and the great screen and everything is two hundred bucks and. That same device. [TS]

01:35:02   In a phone is six hundred fifty to have a bit does it a bigger screen. [TS]

01:35:07   I think yeah I bet it's very right in there they can make more money [TS]

01:35:09   and same thing with the carriers like oh how how can it carries hearts and minds. [TS]

01:35:13   You know because they have a monopoly on all the. [TS]

01:35:15   You know a near monopoly on all the stupid cell towers and infrastructure and the barrier to entry to everyone else [TS]

01:35:21   and all that other crap like why is that. Why are they able to charge us so much money like. [TS]

01:35:25   There is not enough competition in the space of a cardinal sin [TS]

01:35:28   but even though they're feeling the pressure of the place where there are competition there is enough pressure to drive [TS]

01:35:33   their prices down [TS]

01:35:33   and a lot of the read you know like oh it has been so subsidize who's subsidizing it who is doing it it's the carriers [TS]

01:35:38   because they know the total lifetime value of the customer is huge because they're going to get some massive monthly [TS]

01:35:43   bill the people to be like are at I.D.S. I just gotta pay one hundred dollars a month for my health family or more Q. [TS]

01:35:50   Use cell phones because you've got to have a cell phone and. [TS]

01:35:52   So who is subsidizing this carries like Alright fine Apple will pay you seven hundred dollars good you know the [TS]

01:35:57   lifetime value of the customers huge because like you said you know you get huge bill it's monthly. [TS]

01:36:02   They just feel like they have to pay it like a utility. [TS]

01:36:04   If you're lucky you have limited or no competition in your area for or maybe like one other company [TS]

01:36:10   or two other companies that you can maybe collude with unless the two team mobile in their thorn in your side you know [TS]

01:36:14   like that or maybe ever I was in your network of mediocre but everyone thinks of the best [TS]

01:36:17   when the country for some reason. A man. [TS]

01:36:19   Well it's better is better than to Mobile's right and you know and the barrier to entry is high [TS]

01:36:23   and all of those things right. [TS]

01:36:24   And so that should start to work itself out hopefully that they can just continue to charge huge amounts [TS]

01:36:31   and if they can't charge huge amounts of a lifetime custom value of it of a customer is not as high so they can't. [TS]

01:36:36   They won't be giving Apple as big a subsidies. [TS]

01:36:40   Whether they're splitting it out [TS]

01:36:41   or not like a new I don't understand enough about this change in pricing to understand what's motivating it [TS]

01:36:46   but for me it seems like. [TS]

01:36:48   What they're doing is better for consumers and a worse for Apple and carriers [TS]

01:36:55   and so I'm obviously missing something big air. [TS]

01:36:57   Yeah I generally feel the same way like I am maybe the carriers are trying to take away some of the power of Apple [TS]

01:37:03   and like the high device makers. [TS]

01:37:05   Yeah I could become be a power struggle like that but [TS]

01:37:08   but I definitely think that this is most likely to lead to longer Phone upgrade cycles. [TS]

01:37:14   Which is bad for both of those and lower monthly bills. I think you can be a power struggle. [TS]

01:37:21   Make sense to me because I think you know you were always on the Apple who made more demands of the carriers. [TS]

01:37:27   Than other companies. [TS]

01:37:29   Because they couldn't because that's kind of the of their hard negotiators [TS]

01:37:32   and you know for a long time I was just an eighteen to you know the. [TS]

01:37:35   That they've made more demands and one of those more demands as you're going to pass a higher subsidy. [TS]

01:37:39   And they would like well you know and we you know I'd put your crapware on our phones and all the stuff [TS]

01:37:44   and from the caris perspective I think I like Android phones better because they have more power over the Android [TS]

01:37:49   phones and as far as they're concerned like I'm in care of the crappy calling use. [TS]

01:37:52   I just get you pay me your monthly bill. [TS]

01:37:53   So for a cat from a carriage perspective it's better if you buy one of their cheaper crappier phones they get to put [TS]

01:37:59   their crapware on. They don't care if you. You know buy a new one of those don't buy a new one like whatever. [TS]

01:38:05   We have to pay a lower subs. [TS]

01:38:06   I think if you like from Caris perspective they would be happier if people use cheaper crappier phones [TS]

01:38:11   but just continued to pay the high. Same high monthly bills. You know. It's better for them. [TS]

01:38:16   Then having to deal with Apple in all its demands not being able to put their crapware on it [TS]

01:38:20   and having to pay them a bigger subsidy than everybody else because every one of the Stupid i Phone. And so yeah that. [TS]

01:38:26   That is an explanation that makes sense to me. [TS]

01:38:29   I'm still unsure [TS]

01:38:29   and tireless sure it's not the carrier shooting themselves in the foot because it seems like as demanding as Apple is [TS]

01:38:34   and what power they might have Android is the majority of the market anyway [TS]

01:38:38   and so they really need to just like continue to smush apple into an ever smaller slice of the pie I don't know. [TS]

01:38:44   Well but Apple Apple still has a lot of power in that people are willing to switch carriers for i Phones and. [TS]

01:38:52   They don't they probably aren't as willing to do that for Android phones [TS]

01:38:57   and also they don't really need to center fund everywhere. But like you know if. [TS]

01:39:00   If Apple decides not to work with your carrier anymore that's kind of bad news for your carrier. Yeah. [TS]

01:39:05   I guess that's true and you know Apple customers have a lot of money because the phones are expensive [TS]

01:39:09   and so maybe the good customers who can pay for your fancy are plans for you over charge of them from our band with [TS]

01:39:15   that really doesn't cost you much more and. I don't know what do you really think that Apple would say to a T. and T. [TS]

01:39:22   or Arise and no I'm not going to be on either of your networks anymore. [TS]

01:39:26   Like there's no freakin way that Apple would do that they might threaten it or allude to threatening. [TS]

01:39:31   You're right you know have negotiations like I don't know. [TS]

01:39:33   Hell they were on eighteenth only for real on time which if you look at your like boy. [TS]

01:39:38   Seriously Apple still eighteen The only like when is the Verizon i Phone coming you know and well [TS]

01:39:43   but hold on though that's because at that point in time. [TS]

01:39:46   Marco was absolutely right that back then Verizon really was the only network that really freaking worked. And so. [TS]

01:39:53   Verizon had a lot more leverage and I think that eighteen [TS]

01:39:56   or excuse me Apple couldn't put the squeeze to rising like they did eighteen to Apple held out Verizon had to leverage [TS]

01:40:02   it seems like Apple should have been forced to come over to arise and even sooner because Apple because their eyes [TS]

01:40:07   and had all the leverage were the best network you're on that crappy hurting you in the press you should totally come [TS]

01:40:12   over to us but Apple held off for a long time so you're saying it does. [TS]

01:40:16   What Apple ever even threatened to pull out of like you know eighteen to or whatever. No way I think. [TS]

01:40:21   I feel like they would said whether they would actually do it. [TS]

01:40:24   Probably not but maybe they threat but no way they do it [TS]

01:40:28   and also I just want to quickly underscore what Marco said earlier. I have in this actually a kind of good transition. [TS]

01:40:34   I have a Verizon. I Pad Mini the original Retina i Pad mini. I love to say my retina Pad Mini came with a rising sim. [TS]

01:40:44   But I got eighteen mobile SIM after the fact and I'll flip back and forth between them. [TS]

01:40:48   Willy nilly as I see fit in my phone like I said earlier is eighteen C. [TS]

01:40:53   So I I have devices that can use data on eighteen T.V. Arise in the N.T. [TS]

01:40:58   Mobile in Marco I could not agree with you more. [TS]

01:41:00   Everyone who has been a loyal Verizon user for a decade or more swears that. [TS]

01:41:05   Rising has the best service in the entire world. [TS]

01:41:07   I really don't think that's true at all I would even go so far as to say I think a teensy service is actually more [TS]

01:41:12   robust and faster than Verisign. In any way or ever typically travel. [TS]

01:41:17   So I just wanted to say amen to that I agree with you sort of people telling the world however I totally agree I do the [TS]

01:41:23   same thing where I used to have her eyes and phones back before the i Phone [TS]

01:41:27   and I had Verizon data sticks for a while after that and then I started tethering and then and then I got her eyes [TS]

01:41:33   and i Pads. And so I've had an eighteenth the phone and Verizon data devices for a very long time now. [TS]

01:41:39   And it is no contest that the Verizon like Verizon. [TS]

01:41:45   Used to be the best network and I think they are they have banked on that with their reputation for so long. [TS]

01:41:50   So they still have the best coverage in the US anyway just in terms of like total square miles of where you can get a [TS]

01:41:55   decent signal. I think they might. But. But a T. and T. Has closed that gap so much like that right now. [TS]

01:42:01   There are places like those don't have a team to reception. But they don't have rising reception either. [TS]

01:42:06   You know certain places of a state that they have neither. They have no kit no carriers. [TS]

01:42:10   And that's fine it's been a very long time since I found a place for eight hundred he is not covered but rise and as [TS]

01:42:17   and the opposite. Where I have tried to use Verizon data. Somewhere. And it has like one circle and is unusable. [TS]

01:42:24   And then I'd go to trade T.N.T. and It's like three circles and perfectly usable and fast. That happens a lot like. [TS]

01:42:31   I really think that Verizon for whatever reason I don't know if there's if there's a radio theory. [TS]

01:42:36   The to back this up or of this is just coincidence. Verizon seems to really suck at indoor coverage. [TS]

01:42:43   Way more than eighty and he does. And and this. Anecdotally. [TS]

01:42:47   This is always been a problem like people rave about how how much their Verizon phones are great right is the best [TS]

01:42:52   network. NICAM into your house and they can make a call. [TS]

01:42:54   You know or like like what I have or other phones like you know. [TS]

01:42:57   Be great to be going to a grocery store than all the call drops already data doesn't work anymore like it has always [TS]

01:43:03   been the problem happened for eyes and I have. Members and friends who still have rising today. [TS]

01:43:07   Those problems have never gone away for them and A.T.M. T. [TS]

01:43:10   Has really the best thing that ever happened eighty and he was Verizon i Phones coming out. [TS]

01:43:16   Because that unloader a lot of he and his network. [TS]

01:43:21   Like eighteen T.'s network has been rock solid for me for the last I would say at least three years of before that it [TS]

01:43:28   was a little bit spotty. I'd say for a good three years. [TS]

01:43:31   Eighteen T.'s network has been awesome for me with tethering it with travel all sorts of different places with voice. [TS]

01:43:36   Everything has been solid and Verizon. The Verizon devices I've had. I have been only. [TS]

01:43:43   I've only seen mediocrity from them. The Verizon people I know who use it on their phones. [TS]

01:43:48   They keep complaining what the same mediocre problems that I die always had with rising back in the day and. [TS]

01:43:54   I don't think I will buy any more Verizon devices because my original the original reason I I would buy a rise in i [TS]

01:43:59   Pads. I keep made him to phone is. [TS]

01:44:02   What if I'm somewhere where eighteen he doesn't cover very well but rising covers a better. [TS]

01:44:06   And it used to be the case if it was like when I would travel to San Francisco for D.V.C. I would use. [TS]

01:44:10   Like I could use the faster one for tethering. And that one was usually Verizon one back in the day when L.T.E. [TS]

01:44:16   Was first coming out and everything that was the Verizon one in the last two years I would say. [TS]

01:44:22   The Verizon one has never been the faster one. Not once like it. Every time I try. [TS]

01:44:26   Like I always and if you can go back to phones away faster. So I think I'm done buying for eyes and stuff. [TS]

01:44:32   Yeah I agree with you and I know that there are people that are listening right now they are saying oh [TS]

01:44:36   but in my particular part of the country be that completely rural or completely. [TS]

01:44:42   What the hell's the opposite of rural urban. Thank you God I had a total brain fart there. Anyway. [TS]

01:44:47   Completely urban or completely rural Verizon is the only one that works you all are crazy. [TS]

01:44:51   I'm sure there are parts of the country that that's true. Well that's what I'm getting I guess we don't. [TS]

01:44:55   We don't go to the whole country. We go to like or five spots in the country right. So I'm sorry. [TS]

01:45:00   I just feel entirely possible. [TS]

01:45:02   Even if those five spots a city city rural city it's still entirely possible to Vera's I'm still has the best coverage [TS]

01:45:08   in terms of if you put a little pin. [TS]

01:45:09   Every square mile the country and check a signal strength great Indian Verisign that arise and still covers. [TS]

01:45:15   Like that has always been a thing with rise and not necessarily that is always the fastest connection but that. [TS]

01:45:19   If you sample the entire country. [TS]

01:45:22   You can get horizon signal or a strong of arise in say one more place of the Indian eighty eight I was a teen [TS]

01:45:27   and he has been building out. [TS]

01:45:28   I'm assuming they've been building out on the population centers for New York City San Francisco or whatever [TS]

01:45:33   and there are still places where you can't get either one of them [TS]

01:45:35   but I'm like I don't know I know I'm in kind of a cell phone dead area the only thing I know is a team mobile gets crap [TS]

01:45:40   signal here. And that I can actually receive phone calls inside my house with Verizon. [TS]

01:45:44   I don't have an eight hundred data point to go by. [TS]

01:45:47   But I'm still entirely willing to believe that Verizon still has better overall coverage. [TS]

01:45:52   And then it just boils down to OK but I don't go in the whole country I go to the seven places [TS]

01:45:56   and seven places that I go. [TS]

01:45:58   Who has better signal who has faster data or whatever and and [TS]

01:46:02   or thing I think Mosconi must have some kind of a rising repeater because I get crazy good signal there [TS]

01:46:06   and I hear you see deep inside the bals of that building. Through like many layers of. [TS]

01:46:11   Maybe they just because they like five brick fabric partitions [TS]

01:46:13   or whatever don't you get all summarises maybe you don't use resonate more well I get also maintained he coverage in [TS]

01:46:18   their eyes to the. Point where I usually don't join the wife I with my phone. [TS]

01:46:22   I don't I don't you go I fly the more user eyes and Ollie and I get great signal fast download speed. [TS]

01:46:28   So I don't you know again I don't like Verizon week indoors type of thing whatever is going on is the feeling that we [TS]

01:46:34   can doors there. Now. You know who knows. [TS]

01:46:38   But anyway the one the one of the thing I want to talk about that was probably rap is. I kind of cracked. [TS]

01:46:45   The screen on my beloved. I Pad mini. When I was at the beach. Holding it I didn't drop it. It was in my beach bag. [TS]

01:46:53   My book bag. And I guess I had for whatever reason maybe Declan had an issue or whatever I didn't flap. [TS]

01:47:00   The Smart Cover close. And so there's this little hairline In fact I thought it was a hair. [TS]

01:47:06   Cracked So if you're holding the i Pad in portrait. [TS]

01:47:09   It's just a little like semicircle that only dips into the visible screen area. [TS]

01:47:15   Right where the edge of the battery indicator is when you're holding in portrait in the portrait right side up. [TS]

01:47:21   Orientation. Ruined. It's ruined. It's absolutely freakin ruined. So I don't know I genuinely don't know. [TS]

01:47:29   But I know ways I it wasn't cracked I put it in the bag that we had towels. [TS]

01:47:33   And the camera and a whole bunch other junk in that we were to that we'd taken down to the beach. [TS]

01:47:38   And when I pulled back out. [TS]

01:47:40   It had this hairline crack in it I presume we picked up the bag [TS]

01:47:43   or threw something into the back I genuinely don't know you are we all know that I fess up [TS]

01:47:48   when I do dumb crap to my devices. [TS]

01:47:51   I genuinely don't know what happened it must of been my fault some way but I don't know what happened. [TS]

01:47:57   And so the reason I bring this up is because it was about time to upgrade the i Pad anyway. [TS]

01:48:02   I was like the i OS nine stuff I'm actually kind of amped up about. [TS]

01:48:05   For the i Pad and saws probably going to get a new one but now I'm definitely going to get a new one. Well. [TS]

01:48:12   I really happen to like having cellular. I Pads. I understand that most people tether. And that works for them. [TS]

01:48:20   I'm still on the unlimited plan on eighteen C. Which doesn't allow me to tether. [TS]

01:48:25   I understand that I could probably save money and it doesn't matter blah blah blah. [TS]

01:48:29   This is the way it is this is what I'm dealing with this is a choice I'm making. So I'm going to get. [TS]

01:48:34   Probably a new i Pad Mini with cellular. This upcoming fall. The question I have. [TS]

01:48:43   And that I genuinely don't know the answer to is my understanding of this having not really paid much attention last [TS]

01:48:49   couple years. Is that a cellular i Pads have the apple sim in. And what I'm not clear on is. [TS]

01:48:57   My recollection when they first came out was that once you committed to any of the carriers. [TS]

01:49:02   You're locked to that carrier on that Apple sim. So your device could choose between Verizon or T. [TS]

01:49:07   Mobile or what have you up front. But the moment you choose That's it for ever. [TS]

01:49:11   Is do you guys have to know is that true. Or can you flip flop willingly. No idea. I have heard the same thing as you. [TS]

01:49:18   But I have no idea whether it's true. Someone someone who knows without question. [TS]

01:49:24   Not just anecdotally like if you have some sort of web page somewhere. [TS]

01:49:28   That describes how this works I'm assuming Rene Ritchie has something somewhere and I just don't realize it. [TS]

01:49:33   I would love to see it so it's a nice tweet or some like that because what the reason I bring this up is. [TS]

01:49:38   I like I said I bounce back and forth between T.-Mo and Verisign I find that T. Mobiles coverage doesn't suck. [TS]

01:49:44   However when it is good. It's great. [TS]

01:49:48   And so it's much faster than Verizon and oftentimes much more reliable for than Verisign. [TS]

01:49:54   When you're in a metro center that actually has two mobile service you know one of the through three areas of the [TS]

01:49:59   country. Inside like to be able to flip back and forth Additionally T. [TS]

01:50:03   Mobile presently is giving me two hundred makes a month of data for free. [TS]

01:50:06   I don't know if that would still be the case in a brand new i Pad but I'd love it to be the case. [TS]

01:50:10   And so I would rather not get that the apple SIM locked to Verisign. [TS]

01:50:19   If I can avoid it [TS]

01:50:20   and maybe the answer is if Verizon is the only thing that that locks maybe I do what market was alluding to earlier [TS]

01:50:25   and I. If I flip flop at all I do it between eighteen T. and T. Mobile. [TS]

01:50:29   But if there is some clear documentation somewhere that I can read. I would love to. [TS]

01:50:33   I would love to read it so please a semi a tweet. And let me now I'd really love to see it. [TS]

01:50:38   It's probably worth considering just getting a variety. [TS]

01:50:41   Sam and swapping that in and out or getting a second apples in a pride I will tell you a second apple symposia right. [TS]

01:50:47   Oh I didn't know that yes Martin chats with only five bucks I don't know if that's true or not [TS]

01:50:50   but I mean for this kind of concern first of all just putting a T.N.T. [TS]

01:50:55   On it is probably the right choice and you could probably add your phone plan for some minimal cost per month. [TS]

01:50:59   But you know if if you're going to do spotting at all between carriers. [TS]

01:51:03   You might as well swap since it's just you know just to be safe without the new avoid this entire problem. [TS]

01:51:09   Yet told I actually genuinely did not realize that that you could pop a different same [TS]

01:51:13   and I didn't know if the sim was like soldered into the board. [TS]

01:51:16   Because I really haven't had to pay attention this because I wasn't planning on getting I'd had until this year [TS]

01:51:20   and so now is when I'm starting to think about these things and. [TS]

01:51:24   And I'll have to do some research [TS]

01:51:26   and maybe we'll have some follow up about it since I know John you're probably very sad about the lack of follow up [TS]

01:51:31   this week. Thanks a lot two or three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Harry's and hover. [TS]

01:51:37   And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be because it was accidental. [TS]

01:51:48   It was accidental. John. The mom going to be seen with him. Because it was then a little dental was accidental. [TS]

01:52:02   And you can find shelter nom de de de da. And if you aren't there. And he was no says. [TS]

01:52:16   So that's keep lists and A and team are cool. Ahmed Omar thirty. [TS]

01:52:26   Let's take the risk you learn just ARE BEING thing about an extended family member on vacation this year. [TS]

01:52:45   Oh you know I am related to somebody who is using. And I was device with a completely cracked and shout and scream. [TS]

01:52:52   We've all seen people do it. [TS]

01:52:53   We've seen them in real life you see people's that in their you know if they're swiping the if on long their smartphone. [TS]

01:52:58   And you look closer and you realize the thing is a spider web. Hell cracks through the whole thing. Right. [TS]

01:53:04   Everyone it seems I'm wondering that and you think. Why don't they. [TS]

01:53:08   WELL KNOWN think that that fix is just like a permanent thing [TS]

01:53:11   or they're going to put a piece of packing tape over to say you know what I'm not going to use it like this until my [TS]

01:53:15   contract expires in a year and a half and they just do. And you wonder like eventually will they will lose. [TS]

01:53:20   They're going to slice their finger open on that is this a permanent state of being go they get annoyed trying to look [TS]

01:53:26   through the cracks where the refraction makes a little image messed up or whatever. [TS]

01:53:31   And now I'm related to someone who was doing that I could not I could not convince them to pay the ninety nine dollars [TS]

01:53:38   or whatever it cost to replace the screen. Of the thing. [TS]

01:53:41   So they're just going to keep using it like that until I don't know until they stop using it. [TS]

01:53:47   Speaking of to do you guys know how much it is to get the. I Pad mini screen replaced. Not worth it. [TS]

01:53:52   Probably more than ninety nine to the obviously this is this once I got a phone sized of us was I can tell you like. [TS]

01:53:58   So my. My kids I've had has a cracked screen it's a very small crack but it is a crack. And so we listen. [TS]

01:54:04   It's the very first I've had many with terrible not written a screen. [TS]

01:54:09   We listen to what it would cost to replace the glass and. [TS]

01:54:12   It was I forget exactly what it was that it was something it was basically like is the cost of buying a new i Pad [TS]

01:54:18   or is very close to it for the low end ones. [TS]

01:54:21   It's probably different like an arrow you're saying you know if it's worth five hundred bucks then it might be [TS]

01:54:25   different but for the for the minis. It's like two hundred bucks and it's a really. Barely if at all worth doing. [TS]

01:54:33   It's a bummer so yeah. So we just quote fixed it by getting a like six dollar. Screen protector. [TS]

01:54:40   That sticks on more people more people I know who are just like cracks cracks happen. [TS]

01:54:45   You know you figure like a failure [TS]

01:54:47   and you would have just bought a new mini If you're waiting for the new ones that come out for your brother. Well it's. [TS]

01:54:51   First of all it's. It's the first generation unwritten and it's it's to play occasional kid games on. [TS]

01:54:56   He doesn't give a crap whether the screen is red and whether it's new or fast. [TS]

01:55:00   So I'm like OK I have this [TS]

01:55:02   and there's nothing else I can do it has it's not even worth reselling like this with a crack screen it's not worth [TS]

01:55:06   much. There's nothing can do with this so you know I'll just let him use it till it dies. [TS]

01:55:10   I have Casey's retina Padmini I have that model of i Pad. [TS]

01:55:15   That's been sitting in a drawer unused I keep meaning to like sell it [TS]

01:55:19   or get rid of it I mean well you know if Adam's I've had dies [TS]

01:55:22   and I can just you know kick him down you know take that one down into his slot and you know I don't know. [TS]

01:55:27   Now he just melt Casey I guess but this is cellular Yeah it's very small nice. Oh yeah I'll take it. [TS]

01:55:34   You guys remember when. Shampoo used to come in glass bottles. New. [TS]

01:55:40   I think that was like the fifty's and you're really old. I don't know if you remember. [TS]

01:55:46   I think it was like maybe prowler some particular brand anyway. I feel like that our grandkids. [TS]

01:55:52   When we tell them stories that we use that carry about around a bunch of rectangle. That were made of glass. [TS]

01:55:58   And it sometimes they would crack and people just use them shattered or sometimes the like they were able. [TS]

01:56:02   They will look at us and the same way we think about you had glass bottles of shampoo in the shower. [TS]

01:56:07   Does not seem like like why didn't you just you know make a lot of plastic has a we're not plastic Really. [TS]

01:56:12   That you know like it's. [TS]

01:56:15   I feel like we're in this period where glass is the right material to making out of right now unquestionably. [TS]

01:56:20   But there are obvious downsides to glass. [TS]

01:56:23   That someday when we get past that [TS]

01:56:25   and get a device that has like all the benefits of glass without the whole shattering. [TS]

01:56:29   And not being you know like the look back at us [TS]

01:56:31   and get you guys were carrying on glass things it was like you're carrying around these fragile East. [TS]

01:56:35   Faberge eggs that if you dropped on the cement they were just like shatter a cracker spider web [TS]

01:56:40   and you had to put this. It's going to look weird to them because already it seems to me like. [TS]

01:56:44   So it's really the best thing we should be doing. Everyone in the world carries around a little rectangle of glass. [TS]

01:56:49   We're going to do now. Seems absurd to me. Yeah. The tipsters asking the chat. [TS]

01:56:56   You know what am I to kind of recap what if I'm going to get a new Mini this year. [TS]

01:57:02   Which isn't guaranteed but is my intention. What do I. [TS]

01:57:05   What do I care about the existing one in the thing of it is that it's perfectly fine with the exception. [TS]

01:57:09   Stupid hairline crack and so I feel terrible like. [TS]

01:57:13   Not that I would necessarily throw it away I'd probably like is all it and just take the hit on the cracked screen but.. [TS]

01:57:18   I feel like. This is a perfectly usable device mean I just told you earlier that I'm using a three G.S. [TS]

01:57:22   Every single day in two thousand and fifteen. [TS]

01:57:25   To just get rid of this seems so stupid like I could use it for Declan in a year [TS]

01:57:30   or two maybe I could give it to Aaron if she wanted it. [TS]

01:57:33   There's so many things I could do with this and so it seems so wrong not to get it fixed [TS]

01:57:37   but she's for two hundred dollars that's probably not worth it. Yeah it's. [TS]

01:57:42   It's a really it is unlikely to be worth Apple's safe now. [TS]

01:57:45   There are also third party fixes there's also do it yourself fixes I didn't look at all any of those options because I [TS]

01:57:51   did like five minutes of looking into it and it seemed like it was not only very difficult [TS]

01:57:55   but also like not that much cheaper like it was like maybe a hundred fifty bucks in it wasn't it wasn't that much [TS]

01:58:00   cheaper. So the guy's not worth it. [TS]

01:58:03   But you know that might be worth considering for you but I think the better move is probably take the hit. Sell it and. [TS]

01:58:10   And just get some you know. [TS]

01:58:11   Or do I didn't stick a ten dollars computer on it [TS]

01:58:14   and give us a Declan to play stupid games on because kids really don't care [TS]

01:58:17   or yeah I know it's it's it's I'm just annoyed. [TS]

01:58:21   Just like before I'm annoyed at myself because this one is not a clause I deliberate action that I deliberately poured [TS]

01:58:27   water on twice but. [TS]

01:58:29   But I don't know I wasn't even touching the damn thing when it broke so I feel a little less guilty about it [TS]

01:58:36   but I still I'm frustrated I still want to make it right. [TS]

01:58:39   Hot enough to make it right by buying yourself a new i Pad this fall and see that's the market. [TS]

01:58:43   No no I didn't this happen to me and I didn't do enough. John anything interesting from you. [TS]

01:58:52   Did you break any i Pads at the beach. I did not break any of my thing. [TS]

01:58:56   Hello But I came home from vacation I found that my how water heater was leaking slots and I saw him home. [TS]

01:59:00   Didn't that route anything but haven't. Did run a rug. [TS]

01:59:03   Didn't like you know flood the basement it wasn't like hole the water in the water came out [TS]

01:59:07   and went on to my floor which is good because it would just keep going right [TS]

01:59:10   but anough water that's usually what happens when they fail. [TS]

01:59:13   Well that tent of also like fail slowly started weeping they were just it was just leaking over the course of a week. [TS]

01:59:18   And you know. Covered the floor with barely enough water to basically so can ruin a rug but didn't you know. [TS]

01:59:25   Cover the whole basement floor anyway. We have no hot water heater now. [TS]

01:59:28   Did you go tankless ona we talked about it again we talk about it every time every place it's still not the thing for [TS]

01:59:35   us to do [TS]

01:59:36   and what do you say that they say I talk to them about it basically if you if you have what we have which is like a you [TS]

01:59:43   know a boiler. For making hot water for heat. An older one the vents the chimney. [TS]

01:59:48   And then you have a hot water heater and you just want to replace thought water heater you could go tankless. [TS]

01:59:53   But there's still issues of how much pressure can it put out if you're running all your hot water things at the same [TS]

01:59:57   time. And the better way to do it is to just replace your entire system. [TS]

02:00:02   With a new high fissions he wanted to dispense drugs of the outside. [TS]

02:00:05   Doesn't he go through the chimney and that does the hot water for all your radiators and the tankless hot water. [TS]

02:00:10   And that has more capacity take to. [TS]

02:00:12   You know instantly heat the water and use time at like basically when it's cold here in the winter. [TS]

02:00:16   You get freezing cold water coming in from the outside in a lot of demand for how water for all the radios of the same [TS]

02:00:21   time you're running. You know trying to wash the dishes in the sink with hot water and running a shower. [TS]

02:00:26   That it's very difficult to get off of that. So we're sure as hell not replacing the entire system down there. [TS]

02:00:31   Because fine. If you just replacing the hot water heater. They recommended and. [TS]

02:00:34   You know and they're recommending me buy a cheaper thing from them with a ten year warranty so there you know. [TS]

02:00:40   I basically trust the fact that if it really was better. They'd try to sell me the much more expensive tankless thing. [TS]

02:00:46   And they say every time talk to them the same company like that it goes a new construction. [TS]

02:00:52   All the time because it's like the. [TS]

02:00:54   The sort of fancier more experiencing to do but new construction has entire high efficiencies [TS]

02:00:58   and not just like oh you got an old boiler the does your hot water and the next we have just a tankless system [TS]

02:01:04   and they still hear complaints from people who get them a new construction that's not as good as a big tanks. [TS]

02:01:12   That is usually the most sensible economical option even though we have fancier things like my system is. [TS]

02:01:18   Fortunately we didn't do it the people the forest of my system is the kind where there is one boiler. For both heat. [TS]

02:01:24   And a big heat exchange tank for the hot water. [TS]

02:01:28   And so that we just have one big boiler that can do both and a big tank that heats up also and vanishes there. [TS]

02:01:35   You know besides I'm sure the same efficiency gains but the biggest advantages. [TS]

02:01:40   Like according to some guy who looked at it once. Is that then the boiler is continually running year round. [TS]

02:01:47   So that tends to make them last longer because it isn't going like the Hall of summer months without running at all [TS]

02:01:53   and a new start up in the winter [TS]

02:01:54   and hope it works you know it's it isn't it doesn't have like those big cycles of non-use for a long time [TS]

02:01:59   and entering it on. [TS]

02:02:01   But it's still vented to the chimney right not just to the outside your house no it has a direct outside. All right. [TS]

02:02:06   Also maybe it's one of those new higher efficiency systems on your life [TS]

02:02:09   and mine I can do the same thing as your as another option as we have a big boiler. I could also. [TS]

02:02:13   You know it has the hookups and supposedly. Perhaps the capacity to say Oh this can also be your hot water. [TS]

02:02:19   But it's like maybe barely got the capacity and every time it has come up it's like better. Just get a dedicated thing. [TS]

02:02:26   And be independent because it's not a big guy efficiency thing and you know. You may be borderline. [TS]

02:02:33   You may be taking a downgrade and how much hot water. [TS]

02:02:36   And how much how water pressure you have able to sell the new one is actually the same size of the old one [TS]

02:02:40   but fancier unlike higher recovery so that once you start using the hot water able. Heat up sooner anyway. [TS]

02:02:47   Bottom line is we got the new thing installed and someone take a shower. [TS]

02:02:50   Like the temperature is turned down like as low as the possibly can be like we always do in the summer to turn. [TS]

02:02:55   You know the sort of standby this little dial you can turn to say. [TS]

02:02:58   How hot you want to keep the water in this tank in the summer you can get away lower because the water coming in is [TS]

02:03:03   warmer and you just on hot showers. We had in the lowest possible setting. [TS]

02:03:07   And still the first person take a shower put turn the little knob like what the normally turn it to ever just scalding [TS]

02:03:12   hot and incredible in pressure and about like Alright. The old one did not only was leaking. But obviously was crap. [TS]

02:03:19   At this point in its life cycle like seven years old or never were just just one year out of warranty if. [TS]

02:03:27   No one has a ten year warranty so I need to put a reminder on my calendar for the ten year anniversary before it starts [TS]

02:03:32   leaking. Just make the call and don't even bother to see if it's going to last a litter twelve years. [TS]

02:03:37   Right you know just replaces I've been told now for multiple contractors and plumbers over the last couple years. [TS]

02:03:43   That water heaters don't last as long as they used to and that they always die at about ten years. [TS]

02:03:48   And that like if you like. It's now to the point were like. If you buy a home. [TS]

02:03:51   The home inspector will flag a ten year old water heater as like a problem that needs to be addressed. [TS]

02:03:56   Yeah because they fail in ways that cause much more. [TS]

02:03:59   You know you're not that expensive and [TS]

02:04:00   when they fail potentially big problems because you know if you don't want your entire basement flooded with water [TS]

02:04:05   coming because usually the way they fail is the bottom falls off and. [TS]

02:04:11   I've been lucky to have water heaters that he bought without both of the previous ones failed by starting to leak [TS]

02:04:16   slowly from the bottom which is a good way to fail. [TS]

02:04:19   Although [TS]

02:04:19   when you're on vacation it's kind of scary that it was slowly leaking from the bottom quintile we will who aren't here. [TS]

02:04:26   Doria now. How is a vacation. That's fine. The Casey said Losing your i Pad to the Eureka agent is a. Yeah it was good. [TS]

02:04:36   Declan did not like the water. Did not like the water like he did just fine. [TS]

02:04:42   Like the beach just fine Got a near the water. And as long as he wasn't touching the water everything was mostly OK. [TS]

02:04:48   But even just dipping his little feet in the water like way up at the very edge of where the waves can reach. [TS]

02:04:54   You know some talking about it's. You know a quarter inch of water on sand. [TS]

02:04:58   He did not care for that at all which is fine. That's standard baby behavior. Yeah. [TS]

02:05:02   I'm not bothered by it but I will say he is crawling like a champion now starting to pull up on things now. [TS]

02:05:10   Sort of I mean not standing without holding on to stuff. [TS]

02:05:13   But you know he can like stand for a long time like tripod so he's got you know his hands on something in his feet on [TS]

02:05:19   the ground. So that's both wonderful petrifying all the same time. But progress is being made. My parents were here. [TS]

02:05:26   When I was at work. They tend to come in once weeks. [TS]

02:05:29   To give Aaron a little break and later you know go grocery shopping without the baby or whatever and. [TS]

02:05:34   And they said in the last two weeks because they just hadn't seen him in two weeks they said that the change was just [TS]

02:05:38   tremendous which I mean that's to be expected when one is a baby I'm not saying that. And I'm not trying to be like. [TS]

02:05:43   Well my baby is the most smart baby after it's none of that it's just you know baby strange quick. As it turns out and. [TS]

02:05:51   So lots happening big doings around listen to hold but I'm going to concentrate on the weekends when you're home [TS]

02:05:55   or nights when you're more whatever. Concentrate on getting him to. If you want to see his first steps. [TS]

02:06:01   Chances are doing your work so you have to basically take him during the weekends A Now we're going to do the first [TS]

02:06:06   steps because the only way you're going to see it is if you make it happen. [TS]

02:06:09   Yeah yeah and I've been like holding his hands like when he's standing [TS]

02:06:12   and trying to like tilt him forward enough that he's like. Just to keep his center of gravity under him. [TS]

02:06:18   That's probably not the wrong way to describe it anyways. [TS]

02:06:20   Just given self balance you know who have to bring a foot forward and sometimes he gets it sometimes he doesn't. [TS]

02:06:25   But it's been funny he's also occasionally mimicking us. Sometimes directly sometimes. Vaguely. [TS]

02:06:33   So like will tilt our head from one side or the other and sometimes Full Tilt has had the same way and sometimes not. [TS]

02:06:38   Sometimes we shake our head like no not not to indicate not to do something but just to shake left and right. [TS]

02:06:43   Sometimes whole like follow follow that and shake his head left and right which is really adorable. [TS]

02:06:49   He's becoming more and more a person with each passing day which is wild. Shoes. [TS]

02:06:54   Going to ask you how did you CAN YOU camera it's arriving tomorrow. [TS]

02:06:59   On the borders of those big boxes just lens lenses and the lens is so tiny like not at all [TS]

02:07:05   but can we back up just a smidge. You ordered a new Sony camera. [TS]

02:07:09   That's full frame with interchangeable lenses is that correct. That's correct. OK. [TS]

02:07:14   So this is kind of like that that crazy Sony you had at my house for top here a couple years ago with the crazy good [TS]

02:07:19   low light. It is extremely similar in many ways to that but just with a larger body and with an agenda lenses. [TS]

02:07:26   And one of the lenses I bought. Yes that was the R.X. One. [TS]

02:07:29   They were talking about which I have since told you sold something no way here. And one of the lenses I bought. [TS]

02:07:35   Is basically the lens that was on that it's a little thirty five millimeter prime the Sony F two point eight thirty [TS]

02:07:41   five prime. Unlike optically the measurements are almost identical. It's like. It's about the same size it's. [TS]

02:07:48   Yeah it's very very similar. Circuit I love that. That little that the focal length and the small package. [TS]

02:07:55   But yes with a camera I got is the A seven are two. And it just came out today. And my order from B. and H. [TS]

02:08:06   Which I placed. Like. I Phone filed a refreshing the page back when it went for sale in June and it just shipped today. [TS]

02:08:14   It's so I will. I will have it tomorrow because I'm very close to being H.'s warehouse. [TS]

02:08:19   So everything of that comes in one day. And I asked so I got the thirty five. [TS]

02:08:24   Two point eight primary at the fifty five one point eight. [TS]

02:08:27   Which is one of the best lenses in the world by most measures and ninety. [TS]

02:08:33   Macro which is very very new but everyone seems to think it's amazing so far as getting stellar reviews so. [TS]

02:08:40   This is my first upgrade to my big camera. Since. [TS]

02:08:45   Since the arcs one maybe one about that like two years ago [TS]

02:08:48   but that was kind of a temporary thing that ended of not sticking with. [TS]

02:08:52   Before that my last upgrade to my big camera in the last upgrade that I had to interchangeable lenses was in two [TS]

02:08:57   thousand and eight with the five the mark two so this is it's been a long time coming. This. [TS]

02:09:03   This one every totally replace using any canons for me to still using the canons [TS]

02:09:09   and she still goes for photo shoots so we will see she's she's interested in the new camera. [TS]

02:09:15   And some made my convert the whole system over. I'm at least. [TS]

02:09:19   Most likely going to sell some of the canned lenses that we don't really use out in tips photo shoots. [TS]

02:09:25   Because I don't I'm never gonna use them again. [TS]

02:09:29   So why wouldn't a professional photographer want to use a full frame camera with interchangeable lenses. [TS]

02:09:35   If they Let's suppose you really are really good photography but you sold all your stuff you're doing others. [TS]

02:09:40   You're doing other things for a while but now you're you're starting a business back up [TS]

02:09:44   and you're looking to buy all new cameras all new glass. Why why not buy this what's wrong with this. [TS]

02:09:51   The the biggest thing for proofs and a lot of pros are buying this. [TS]

02:09:56   That's that's one thing [TS]

02:09:57   and the other one of the reasons why I think if it is likely to stick with the five you mark two zero. [TS]

02:10:02   We have two of them. [TS]

02:10:04   We each got one in two thousand and eight [TS]

02:10:06   and one of the reasons why we're likely to stick with those for a while is the same reason why we haven't upgraded [TS]

02:10:11   since two thousand and eight. Because there's a lot of inertia there like we have. [TS]

02:10:17   We have probably five or six batteries for it. We have tons of new compact flash memory cards for some. [TS]

02:10:23   You know very good quality ones are very expensive. [TS]

02:10:27   We have a battery grip for one of them we have a cable remote with a timer for time lapse remote. [TS]

02:10:33   We have for speed light flashes. To old ones that were kind of flaky and two new ones about three. [TS]

02:10:40   Please them recently saw we have so many accessories that are not universal that only work with this. [TS]

02:10:48   As we have so many accessory for the net like. We didn't even upgrade to the next to the Canon five D. Mark three. [TS]

02:10:53   Because the five you mark two was so good in the Mark three. [TS]

02:10:56   For our purposes didn't feel like a very compelling upgrade to replace all those gear that we would have to replace. [TS]

02:11:01   We have you know. [TS]

02:11:02   In addition of all the all the can lenses in everything so there's a lot of inertia behind sticking with it we have [TS]

02:11:06   but if that wasn't the case if you didn't have any of that. [TS]

02:11:10   What would prevent you like is the viewfinder not optical does that even matter anymore. [TS]

02:11:15   What would cause anything Marilyn's Basically I know there's going to be some exception weird [TS]

02:11:19   but basically the viewfinder is not optical. It's not like what you think of when you think of an S.L.R. [TS]

02:11:23   Where you are looking through a prism through. Across a mirror into a cross out the lens like. [TS]

02:11:29   That is what defines an S.L.R. Is like the single lens reflex it's like you're looking through the lens with this. [TS]

02:11:36   Mirror thing that flips up when you take a picture and expose the sensor. So Merlo scammers lack that. [TS]

02:11:41   And yes there's rangefinders all the weird things but basically you know. Marilyn's cameras lack that. [TS]

02:11:46   And there are a lot of advantages to that there is a lot that that is very nice I really enjoy it up [TS]

02:11:52   and this is a bit of a leap of faith for me to in the process of renting this house or rented the Nikon D seven fifty.. [TS]

02:11:58   Which is a fantastic. Traditional style S.L.R. It is excellent in so many ways. [TS]

02:12:03   As an amazing focus system it has amazing low light performance amazing sensor. Made by Sony and. [TS]

02:12:10   It is a fantastic camera in many ways. The reason why a pro might choose that. [TS]

02:12:16   Besides the handling and just prefer looking through the lens directly through the optical thing [TS]

02:12:21   and everything is mostly just because there are certain things that appeal to pros [TS]

02:12:26   and certain things that pros need so certain things that appeal them there's there's a huge. [TS]

02:12:30   There's a much larger library of available lenses. First of all. Now granted you have to you know. [TS]

02:12:35   Pick a system so you gotta pick Nikon or Canon or. You know even the big Sony's but nobody picks those. [TS]

02:12:40   And you know if you buy a Nikon camera you've got to use Nikon lenses and. There are adapters and. [TS]

02:12:46   There are efforts to use. Nikon or Canon lenses on the Sony cameras. But you give up some things like. There are some. [TS]

02:12:54   You know some some of them don't work quite right some of them don't focus. Very quickly if at all. Some of them. [TS]

02:12:58   You know they have little little bugs little glitches little little setbacks. [TS]

02:13:02   The adapters are all these kind of like hacky third party things that are not supported by anybody. So it's really not. [TS]

02:13:09   If you have lenses that you want to use from canner Nikon's big lens lamps that's stretch back to twenty years thirty [TS]

02:13:17   years or longer. You can't really use those well. [TS]

02:13:21   On a small narrow scammer you can use them usually for you after that you can't use them well you're better off just [TS]

02:13:26   getting the native body. If you can and. Because these marrows cameras have been around for way less time. [TS]

02:13:32   The lens lines are just WAY smaller. Like one of my favorite lenses on the Canon is the one thirty five F. To pride. [TS]

02:13:38   It is awesome. There is no equivalent to that. That I can mount on the Sony that is native. [TS]

02:13:44   There are some but I came out through adapters and then I don't have auto focus on everything. [TS]

02:13:48   Or I can mount the Canon one through and have autofocus [TS]

02:13:50   but it might be weird I don't know regardless like there is no native one. [TS]

02:13:54   And so that's you know the lens library a small that that will change over time. [TS]

02:13:58   But that is still the case is also things like there is no great first party flashes that have amazing metering as far [TS]

02:14:04   as I know like there is some you can use any of flash and you can have it you can manually meter it [TS]

02:14:09   but that's not as good and so there's all sorts of wipe out there. [TS]

02:14:11   There's just a lot more like limitations in what kind of gear is available. And it is also things that. [TS]

02:14:19   Well that a lot of pros. Either need really or at least would would want. [TS]

02:14:24   So one of the biggest downside for the Sony full farm system is the cameras have terrible battery lives. [TS]

02:14:31   Because they're really small. They're really high powered. You know computationally. [TS]

02:14:36   And they have these little tiny batteries that like the bad. Re for and for a full size S.L.R. [TS]

02:14:42   Can last like five times as long and full of the larger not lighting up screens constantly in a viewfinder. [TS]

02:14:47   So that's a little cameras have terrible battery lives. That is the biggest downside to me. [TS]

02:14:53   Also for pro use the cameras are usually not whether sealed. Which a lot of pros need and many pros want. [TS]

02:15:02   And they are also. I don't think any of them have some of the more unusual but sometimes needed. [TS]

02:15:07   Perfect years like dual memory slots. So there's like stuff like that like. [TS]

02:15:12   There's just there's some features the pros. [TS]

02:15:14   Need or want that are not available on Merrill scammers and are probably not going to come soon. [TS]

02:15:22   So we'll see what happens. I'm very happy not being a pro in this way right now.. [TS]

02:15:28   Like I like back in two thousand and eight we bought the. The pro five D. [TS]

02:15:33   Because it was the only way to get really great image quality like to get. [TS]

02:15:37   I mean the difference I mean your cameras often Casey. But. But the difference between full frame. [TS]

02:15:44   And not full frame is large. This is not a small difference. It is a very big difference. [TS]

02:15:51   And we just love that difference. And back then there was a much bigger gap also. Now the gap is smaller. [TS]

02:15:58   But it was nothing about that. [TS]

02:16:00   Well it's also a considerably larger financial penalty as well right because I got a really really beautiful lens [TS]

02:16:08   or at least I feel like it is. [TS]

02:16:09   And on top of the kit [TS]

02:16:12   and off to my head I want to say it was about fifteen hundred dollars all in so the kit lens which is a little zoom [TS]

02:16:18   and. This really good lens it's not a pancake but it's a really solid prime that. Sean blank recommended which I love. [TS]

02:16:27   I couldn't the tightest six of time I had but anyways. That was like fifteen hundred dollars all in and. [TS]

02:16:33   I'm going to you don't tell me a number of I'm going to guess that you're in a lot more than that for this full frame [TS]

02:16:38   camera. [TS]

02:16:39   A lot more thing that I mean [TS]

02:16:40   and you can I mean part of it because I just got like the cutting edge best model because I me [TS]

02:16:46   and also because I don't upgrade these things very often. So part of it is that. [TS]

02:16:50   Certainly I think even if you get like a more reasonably priced one. [TS]

02:16:55   You're looking at for a good lens and a good body you're looking at over two thousand probably for this. [TS]

02:17:01   For this type but regardless. So that's that's what I got it arrives tomorrow. [TS]

02:17:08   There is there is no like massive full review available of it yet. So it's a bit of a risk. But based on the early. [TS]

02:17:15   I rented its predecessor the A seven two I rented that back. Reforms of the. The seven fifty. [TS]

02:17:22   I rented that so and it has like. I basically an identical body identical handle identical menus. [TS]

02:17:28   That there's almost no difference in like the physical side so I know that I like shooting with it. [TS]

02:17:33   It just has a different sensor and a better sense or. So anyway. I don't think that much of a risk but we'll see. [TS]

02:17:40   I have no idea. [TS]