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I have rewired my entire desk and I'm so happy.
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- It took, this has been maybe two weeks in the making
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because, and we've talked about this before,
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so I'll be quick, but listeners, if you missed it
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the last time we talked about this,
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the secret to clean, nice wiring is to get the shortest
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wires you can that will fit the purpose.
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'Cause like, what so much wire clutter is,
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is basically you have excess wire that you have to either
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bundle up and tie with a cable tie or whatever.
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Like, you gotta like bunch up excess wire.
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So, the good thing is, these days, so many products
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have standard connectors, whether it's like the power plug
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with those standard like IEC things, or obviously USB-C
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and various USBs, like, you can just go on Amazon
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and buy short versions of all of those things
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for almost no money.
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So, measure how long you need a cable to be
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and then go to Amazon and put it in your cart.
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The shortest length that will be a little bit longer
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than how long it needs to be, just to allow like
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bending radius and stuff.
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That makes everything so much easier.
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So, now I have a very nice, clean layout.
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I did have to, also as part of this project,
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I did have to add some openings to my desk.
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I guess some might call them holes.
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- But it turns out, look, people out there,
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if you are not that handy, like me, I'm not handy,
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I'm not a woodworker, my desk, I really like my desk
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and want it to remain looking nice.
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But, you know those like, those circular covers
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with little pass-throughs for wires that many desks have,
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like two of, kind of like small cup holders?
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Those are called grommets.
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And you can go on Amazon, you can buy desk grommets
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for nothing.
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You can also, many people, like me, are handy enough
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to operate a drill, but not to actually do woodworking.
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Well, let me introduce you to the hole saw.
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The hole saw is a drill attachment that just
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creates round holes in things.
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And it's super easy to use, it's just like drilling.
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Even people like me can use a hole saw to add grommets
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into desks, shelves, other wooden items in your house
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or office to have nice wire pass-throughs.
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And so the combination of adding holes
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and buying short cables has finally led me
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to a wonderful desk wiring experience.
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And so I'm talking to you now through all new wires
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and holes, and hopefully I wired everything correctly
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and we won't have me turning into Casey
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from last week's bootleg.
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- Let's hope not.
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- Tune in next week when Marco discovers the C-clamp.
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Hole saws, amazing.
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- All right, let's do some follow-up.
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Just a little bit, since this is an event episode.
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Amanda writes in, "I've taken a stab at calculating
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"the inflation-adjusted market price for the RAM
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"in the starter model of Mac laptop between 1999 and 2024,
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"though finding good data sources is difficult."
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There's a chart, we will put a link to this toot
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in the show notes, which has the chart,
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or I shouldn't say chart, it's a graph really.
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And hopefully Marco will make this the chapter art
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when he edits it.
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But John, can you take us through what this indicates?
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- Yeah, so this was in response to those charts
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that we had from several past shows.
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David Schaub made a bunch of them showing
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how much RAM comes in the base model of various Macs
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and how the growth has sort of plateaued
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and we've been stuck in eight gigs forever.
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So Amanda was interested in what is the market price
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if you were to buy that much RAM on the market,
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how much would it cost?
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And the RAM chart obviously increases slowly over time
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before it kind of plateaus,
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but the price chart fluctuates all over the place.
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Lots of big swings, 'cause RAM is a commodity
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and the price has fluctuated,
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depending if they manufactured too much
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and they need to get rid of it or there's not enough,
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and there's demand out, strip supply.
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Anyway, it bounces all over the place,
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but given that it's over like a 20 something year span,
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you can see the trend line pretty clearly.
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And the trend line, Apple, is down.
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Not just like the cost of one megabyte of RAM
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has gotten cheaper,
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this is I believe the cost of buying the amount of RAM
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that's in the base model Mac.
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So the amount of RAM is going up.
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So it's not just like price per megabyte, I believe,
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this is just the total price.
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And the total price that, the market price,
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if you were to buy this RAM on the open market,
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has been going down despite the fact
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that the amount has been going up,
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which is what we all imagine to be the case,
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because we all had computers when we were children
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that had very small amounts of RAM,
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and now our computers have much, much more.
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RAM gets cheaper over time.
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That's something we forget sometimes as Apple customers,
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because it doesn't happen for us.
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But I like this chart because, A, it does show
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the fluctuations, 'cause that's something that people,
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feedback people gave.
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It's like, okay, well that, the RAM chart,
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getting more RAM is Mac, isn't that easy?
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Prices fluctuate, Apple has to time their purchases
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and do all this clever stuff.
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Or it was like, okay, that's all well and good.
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But still, the trend line is down.
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And it's, you know, we should have more RAM for less money.
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More on that later.
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All right, we have more feedback somehow
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on HomeKit Light Controls UI.
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Max Levin writes, "The versions of the Home app
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on Mac OS, iOS, and watchOS all feature a card interface
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for controlling devices, and the card contains two buttons,
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the body or background, which is all a tappable region,
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and a circular button in the corner of that card.
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One takes you to the device settings,
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and the other toggles the device state.
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It's just that which does which is flipped
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between watchOS and Mac OS and iOS."
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- Yay, yep. - So, well done.
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Yeah, so watchOS, the toggle button,
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or the humongous card is a toggle,
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and then there's an ellipsis in the corner
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to get to settings, if you will.
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Then on Mac OS and iOS, instead of an ellipsis,
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you have like an indicator of what the device is,
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like a light bulb, if you will, in the corner.
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That's how you toggle.
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And the rest of the card is how you get to settings.
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- Don't tap the wrong thing.
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- So many places I could go from here.
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All right, so let's talk about the Vega Sphere.
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The Holoplot Speakers are the speakers
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that are used in the Vega Sphere,
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and somebody linked us to a video which talks about this.
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And I did watch this video.
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I was not that impressed by the demonstration,
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even with headphones on, but it's a hard thing
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to really get into video form.
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But what was cool, which, John, you pulled out
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and noted here, each module, each speaker module,
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has somewhere between 80 and 96 speakers,
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costs between 36 and $38,000, and weighs 220 pounds.
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Holy dangimoles.
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- Each module is like a really heavy suitcase, kind of.
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Like, that's the size range that it is.
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But if you look at it, like, you know,
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96 speaker drivers, or 80 in the one that has subwoofers,
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so many speakers just spread, you know,
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nested as close as they could possibly be,
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however they can get room to them.
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And they're all essentially computer controlled,
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and the computer control interface is like inside that box.
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So, you know, one of those boxes costs, you know,
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36 to $38,000, and I can't imagine how many
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of those boxes they have in the sphere,
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so that's why the thing costs $2 billion.
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But it's really cool, it's like the idea of having
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lots of small, relatively inexpensive speakers,
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like the speaker drivers, each individual one
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is inexpensive, but you got 96 of them,
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and then having computers control them
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to do the beam forming and everything
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to be able to target different sounds
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at different parts of the audience,
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or just to make it so that every seat sounds good,
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as opposed to, they compare it in the video
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to the more traditional thing where you do the,
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I wish I had a YouTube link to this,
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but the recent trend that if you go to live music
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you've seen is to have long vertical tower,
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kind of gently curving towers of speakers.
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That was not the case, like if you look
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at a '70s rock concert, you didn't see those,
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but we've learned since the '70s that you get better sound
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across a larger area in the audience
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if you do those long vertical towers,
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but those are fixed, like they don't adjust
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or do beam forming or whatever, they're just speakers,
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they're carefully arranged in one position,
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and they try to make it sound as good as they can
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and as many places as they can, but it's kind of,
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if you were to look at the field of sound
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that those produce, it is uneven,
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whereas these things are trying to give
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every individual seat sort of the same experience
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by using constructive and destructive interference
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and timing and all sorts of other things
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with what must be hundreds of speakers,
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thousands of speakers, I think they have a number,
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how many speakers are actually in this sphere,
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it's a huge number, and through the magic of computers
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they try to make it sound good.
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And this is also not an easy problem to solve
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because you think about the acoustics of that space,
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trying to make a dome sound good for every seat,
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even setting aside just the cool dynamic stuff,
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we're gonna send English to this section
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and Spanish to this section or whatever,
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even setting that stuff aside,
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just making it sound good for every seat in there,
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that is a massive acoustic challenge,
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and to make it sound good without those giant
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tower speaker arrays being visible
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because they don't wanna block the view of the screen,
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so all the speakers have to be behind the screen.
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There's a lot of just challenging physical situations there
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to try to make that both sound at all good,
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but then to make it sound good for everybody,
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and I gotta tell you, it sounds really good,
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most concerts, I mean granted,
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I'm listening through AirPods as ear plugs,
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so it's being modified, but most concerts,
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despite ostensibly being about the music,
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the sound is actually not that good,
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'cause it's just, again, it's a giant acoustic challenge
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to make that sound good in any kind of,
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especially indoor environments,
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but they did a really good job with making it sound good
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in what is probably a very, very difficult situation
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- Someone in the chat room found the YouTube video
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I was thinking of, it's from Wired,
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why music festivals sound better than ever,
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and that's talking about the big vertical towers
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of speakers, those are a big advance over the old way,
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where I guess they just sort of put the speakers
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on the stage in little stacks or whatever,
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they figured out this arrangement produces
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the fewest terrible dead spots or places in the audience
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that sound terrible as compared to the old arrangements,
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but the computer controlled one is,
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we're gonna make sure there are essentially no spots
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where the sound is totally off or totally bad,
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or there's no bass or way too much bass,
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or you hear delayed or echoed or whatever,
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that's what the computers are trying to do.
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- When I was in high school and had more free time
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to go to concerts, I remember vividly,
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you know, I went to high school in Connecticut
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and we used to go to what was at the time
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called the Meadows Music Theater in Hartford
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or outside Hartford, and it was one of those theaters
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where there's like an amphitheater section
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and then a lawn behind it.
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Even though I fully and completely understood
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the science behind it, I always found it both funny
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and kind of mildly annoying that I would be looking
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at the screens, both behind the stage
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and at the edge of the pavilion, if I was on the lawn,
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and I'd be looking at the screens
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and I would see a snare hit,
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but by the time the sound made it to where I was,
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the drummer had moved on like one or two notes past
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what I was hearing, so I would see the future, if you will.
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It was a very weird bit of time travel,
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and admittedly, I might have had a contact high
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from everyone around me at a Dave Matthews concert,
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but I had not partaken myself, so sound and light,
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it's weird, it works in mysterious ways.
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- The only way they can fix that is you,
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I'd have gotta watch the whole thing in Vision Pro
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'cause then they can sync up the visuals and the audio
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by delaying the visuals, essentially.
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- That remains a product in Apple's lineup.
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Speaking of products that are still, for now,
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in Apple's lineup, fine woven accessories
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may get one last ride before Apple pulls the plug.
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This was reported on MacRumors a couple of weeks back.
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Over the weekend, Apple leaker and prototype collector
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Kousutami claimed that Apple has decided to halt production
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of fine woven accessories over durability concerns.
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In a future update, the leaker has now suggested
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we might see yet one more round of fine woven products
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in a season of new colors before Apple finally says
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farewell to the material for good.
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- Yeah, the fine woven thing is weird.
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We saw all the complaints about durability
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and it looking ugly and getting, you know,
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and the bottom line is if people don't like the product
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and it gets a reputation for not being good,
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they gotta try again.
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Then they're not gonna go back to leather,
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but yeah, take a second crack at this.
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Like they tried something that's a little bit different
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than what most people do, which is they make like,
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they call it, you know, vegan leather.
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They don't wanna call it fake leather or whatever.
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All sorts of names they have for them
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like in the car industry, basically saying
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it's supposed to look and feel like leather,
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but it's not made from animals at all.
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It's made from petroleum, so it's fine.
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Yeah, this whole thing, like when this rumor came out
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last week, it sounds like Apple is just discontinuing
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the current line of colors and is making
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a new spring collection.
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They do that.
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Like they always do that every year
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with all their accessories.
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So I'm not that surprised that things are changing
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in that area for the spring.
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I would be surprised if nothing changes
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to that lineup this fall when they would typically
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unveil like a whole new shape and size for the new phone.
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So we'll see what happens then, but I think right now
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it's too soon to really say that anything's happening.
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- Yeah, and despite the petroleum crack,
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like most of the fake leather stuff
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does have some plastic component
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'cause you can make various kinds of plastic,
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rubbery type materials look and feel
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a little bit like leather.
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That's what they do in car interiors.
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Often they can be, you can make them more durable
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than leather or at least durable in a different way
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because leather wears, which is something people like
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about leather, like leather that it changes appearance
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and feel over time, but that's wearing, right?
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It doesn't stay looking brand new,
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whereas a lot of the fake leathers
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can stay looking the same for longer,
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but they may not be as durable long-term as leather
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and you can sort of recondition leather and dye it
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and repair it and all sorts of other stuff.
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Anyway, it's a challenge.
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It's a challenge to come up with,
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Apple's had this challenge before,
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to come up with environmentally friendlier versions
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of things they use a long time,
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whether it's putting tin in there or lead
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or whatever in the solder or the plastic
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that they used to use for the cables
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that would come with your phone.
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They had to change that to an environmentally friendly one
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and the first time they tried to do that,
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the plastic was all brittle and broken.
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It's hard, but that's the challenge
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they've put in front of themselves.
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So if fine woven is a swing and a miss,
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I'd give them a pass, good effort, try again next year.
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- All right, let's talk about the Apple event
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that happened yesterday as we record this.
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This was, as per Tim Cook, the biggest day for iPad
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since its introduction.
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And we started off by noting that the Vision Pro
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remains a product in Apple's lineup.
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- That was the best.
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- Tim was like, this event's all about iPads.
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But first let's talk about the Vision Pro.
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- Yeah, I just wanted to remind everyone.
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I mean, I think that was as much as I made fun of it
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and saying that the Vision Pro remains a product
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in their lineup.
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I think they have to do this, right?
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Because if they didn't say anything,
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it'd be like, look, they had an event
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and they didn't even mention the Vision Pro.
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You gotta mention it.
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You gotta say, to show that Apple is still committed
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to doing whatever it's doing with the Vision Pro.
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Like they're not ashamed of it.
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They're not trying to hide it.
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They don't wanna not talk about it
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because things aren't going well.
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They are still behind it.
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So I think that was an important reassurance.
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Yes, Apple will take their lumps for saying like,
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oh, you know, people don't think it's going great
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out there in the world.
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But by talking about it and trying to show
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the few positive things they did have to say about it,
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look, the enterprise loves it.
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People are doing surgery with it.
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It's great, right?
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You gotta do that.
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It's the newly announced product
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and I'm kind of glad that was in the presentation.
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- They of course have to keep promoting it
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but they're not really giving us anything.
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Like they're not really adding anything to it.
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They don't have any--
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- No, there's nothing to announce.
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- Right, there's nothing to announce.
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There's nothing to show off.
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It doesn't seem like it's going super well
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and so they don't really have anything they can brag about.
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They don't really have any cool new uses.
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They can really specifically talk about
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that consumers would care about.
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So it's a little, it feels a little bit strained.
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- If they'd waited a few more days,
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like this we'll probably talk about next week,
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but there's this Marvel Studios what if immersive product,
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whatever, coming to Vision Pro.
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But I guess that just wasn't ready
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because this obviously the video was recorded
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before it was shown to us.
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That would have been a nice thing to mention.
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Like to say, and we actually have some new content
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and it's from Marvel and it's an hour long
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and that could get people excited
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but it didn't make the cut.
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- No, it didn't make the cut
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because it may not have ever been there to get cut
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to your point a moment ago.
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- Yeah, it didn't make the cut in terms of time wise.
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I think this announcement happened
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after they had long since recorded the--
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- Exactly, yep, yep, yep.
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So yeah, so the Vision Pro still exists.
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The MacBook Air is the world's best selling 13
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and 15 inch laptop.
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- And 15 inch, you hear that?
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Oh, I heard the 15 inch MacBook Air,
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nobody wants to buy it.
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It's the world's best selling 15 inch laptop, Apple.
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- Yeah, that's pretty great.
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- Don't think about canceling that
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because it's not as popular as the 13.
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- Yep, so things are going well,
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at least in the MacBook Air section of the world.
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And then we end up with John Turnus on a subway,
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I guess it was the Bart, I don't know,
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it doesn't really matter.
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And I noticed as he was standing there
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that the marquee or whatever behind him,
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the little ticker tape, if you will,
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says this train now goes to 13,
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which was a surprising nod to what was expected,
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but still yet to come.
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And what was coming was the iPad Air,
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which is now in 11 and 13 inches.
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And there was an off the cuff mention
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or an off-handed comment that about half of the users
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choose 13 inch iPad, I guess it was iPad Pros,
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I think they were talking about.
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- That was for Pro.
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They were saying that inspired by iPad Pro, comma,
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where about half of the users choose the larger screen.
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Which is interesting.
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- 'Cause the users couldn't have chosen larger screen
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on the iPad Air, we didn't have one.
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- Right, and honestly, that's new information,
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that of all iPad Pros, about half choose the 13 inch.
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That's surprising to me.
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I would have expected that to be less, but.
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- I mean, I guess it kinda shows who's in the market
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for an iPad Pro, and I feel like at this point
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the iPad Pro's strongest, unique selling proposition
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is the pen, right, the pencil, whatever.
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And so if you're an artist and you're gonna actually
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use that pencil, sure, you definitely want the bigger one,
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right, 'cause the same people wanted, you know,
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bigger Wacom tablets or whatever, like, that's,
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I don't imagine people are buying the bigger one
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so they can browse the web a little bigger.
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It's all about having a bigger canvas to draw with the pencil
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but for whatever reason, yeah, people are buying
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the big one, which is the most expensive one.
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- So we get the new iPad Air, 11 and 13 inches.
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It's got an M2, it's got some okay colors.
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They're not super wild, but they're fine.
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And by the way, it's the new 11 inch and 13,
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obviously the 13 inch is the new size.
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The 11 inch, it's the same size as the 10.9.
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Like, it's not, they just, Apple has just decided
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they're not gonna do the decimal thing,
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which was kinda weird that they did it to begin with.
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I think the actual screen is like 10.86 inches.
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Apple used to call it the 10.9 with rounding
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but they couldn't round to one more place.
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Now they're just calling it the 11,
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but I believe it is the exact same resolution
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and exact same dimensions as the previous 10.9 inch screen.
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- Well, and that rounding is actually happening
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across all four of the iPads that were announced today.
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There's different amounts of rounding,
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but they're all being rounded up to the nearest inch,
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which is fine.
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- That's what they do,
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they've always done that with their laptops.
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It's not like the 13 inch laptops
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has always been exactly 13.0 inches.
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It's just weird that for so long
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we've dealt with like the 10.9 inch or 12.9 inch,
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but yeah, whoever had that idea, Apple snapped out of it.
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- Yeah, I'm glad.
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It's much easier now.
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- Now I thought that some, I read somewhere,
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this is not part of the event,
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but I could've sworn I read somewhere
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that there are a few more pixels.
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- We'll get to that.
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It's in the Pro, not in this one though.
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- This, the iPad Air, I believe has exactly,
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the iPad Air is essentially the previous iPad Pro,
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but without Face ID and with the Touch ID thing added.
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Like it's, I don't think there's any,
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there's new screen, obviously the 13 inch is new, right?
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But the 10.9, I believe is down to the pixel,
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down to the millimeter, the same as it was.
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- But no promotion in the iPad Air, which is worth noting.
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But anyways, so yeah, so what is this iPad Air?
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It's an M2, it works with the existing
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at this point Magic Keyboard.
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So this is the one that we'll later find out.
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Well, we knew that it doesn't have a function row,
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but we didn't know yet that that's what differentiates it.
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And it works with a Apple Pencil.
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I still, I need to bring up that stupid chart
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'cause I'm still not entirely clear
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which Apple Pencils it works with.
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- All the iPads that were announced to,
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well, hmm, not all, okay, anyway.
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If your iPad works with two pencils and it's just announced,
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it works with the Apple Pencil Pro,
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which we'll talk about in a little bit, and the USB one.
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- The USB one works with any of them
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'cause you plug it in with a wire and it's all,
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like there's no sort of physical incompatibility with them.
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So that essentially works with all of them.
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And if you have a flat-sided iPad with a landscape camera
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that's not the cheapest one,
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then you work with the Apple Pencil Pro
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because that's the only one that has the magnets
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and inductive charging to work with the flat-sided ones
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with the landscape camera.
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- So you can't use the Apple Pencil 2,
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even though it looks like you could,
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because it doesn't have the magnets and inductive stuff
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to line up with where it is
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'cause they had to move all this stuff around
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because it's got the camera on the long side
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and it previously didn't.
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So even though we're still in this transition period
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of confusion, we are approaching a future year
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when every iPad, right now every iPad works with a pencil,
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which is good, and soon every iPad will work
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with two pencils, the cheap one and the expensive one.
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We'll get there eventually.
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We're not there yet, but we'll get there.
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- All right, yay yay.
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All right, so then,
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so to work with the existing Magic Keyboard,
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a couple of Apple Pencils, it now starts at 128 gigs
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and goes up to a terabyte,
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starting at $600 and $800 available sometime next week.
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I thought I heard on upgrade today
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that it was like Wednesday or Thursday
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of this upcoming week, so not tomorrow as we record,
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but like a week from or something like that.
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But there's some interesting news
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with regard to packaging.
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- Oh, actually, before we get to that, just to highlight,
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even though this looks like the old iPad Pro,
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like in appearance and can use the Magic Keyboard
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and everything, it does not have Face ID.
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- It has the Touch ID button thingy on the power button,
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which is kind of weird to have like,
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oh, it's just like the old Pro,
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but we pulled out a bunch of stuff to make it cheaper.
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I guess it makes sense, but just to be clear,
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you do not get Face ID with this one.
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- So according to 9to5Mac, the new iPad Pro and iPad Air
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no longer include charger in the box in the UK
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and other countries in Europe, and according to 9to5,
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this appears to be due to the waste from electrical
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and electronic equipment rules in the EU.
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It's applicable to the UK because it predates Brexit.
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- And what's that acronym,
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Electrical and Electronic Equipment?
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Weeeee, W-E-E-E rules, the weeeeee rules, weeeeeee, no charger for you. They sound so fun. [laughing]
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- Apple's Apple logo stickers will not be included in the box
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for the new iPad Pro and iPad Air.
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The company says that this is part of its environmental goals
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as it strives to ensure its packaging
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is completely plastic-free.
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Apple stores, however, are receiving shipments
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with a limited quantity of Apple logo stickers
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that can be distributed to customers
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who buy a new iPad Pro or iPad Air, but only upon request.
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- What a weird thing the Apple stickers are.
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We don't talk about it too much on the show,
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but how weird is it that for like, what, 25, 30 years,
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Apple has been including tiny stickers of its company logo
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in essentially all of its products,
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and what did people do with those?
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I mean, I guess you could put them on your car or whatever,
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but honestly, like, if you are an Apple customer
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for any amount of time, you've got enough stickers.
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Like, the logo doesn't change.
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Like, oh, you got a black one with the Mac Pro or whatever,
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but like, you're being inundated with stickers
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that you do not care about.
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They're just going in the trash
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or they're sitting inside the box in your attic
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if you're me or whatever, and it's like, how many stickers,
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how many Apple logo stickers does the world need?
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- No, I mean, a lot of people who don't have
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as many Apple products as you, which is most people,
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they, like, I see those stickers on cars.
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Somebody on my dog walk has them on their trash cans
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for some reason. - Right, but that's like one.
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Every product would come with two.
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So you've got the one on your car,
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and you've got the one spare,
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and you're good until you get a new car.
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Like, it's too many stickers.
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Like, it's kind of amazing that they've shipped that long,
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especially if you look at everything else
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that has come with the products.
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Like, they used to come with a little instruction manual,
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instruction booklets, and they were slowly narrowed down
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to just be like one piece of paper
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or like a folding thing that folds out
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and has like three pages.
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Like, they have really reduced the amount of literature,
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essentially, or paper things
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that come with all of their products.
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And because the stickers are plastic,
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they're, you know, it's amazing they last that long,
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is what I'm saying.
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I don't begrudge people.
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I think it's great to have them in the store.
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That's exactly how it should be.
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Even they can even offer you,
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buy something at Apple Store and say,
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"Hey, do you want a sticker?"
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And if you want one, you get one,
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and if you don't, you pass.
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But shipping them to everybody,
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whether they want them or not, it's too much.
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- And I agree.
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My view is skewed by buying way too many Apple products.
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But I feel like even if you don't buy a lot of them,
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even if you had a new phone every five years
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and you're an iPhone customer,
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by now you've got a lot of those stickers.
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All right, anything else with regard to the iPad Air?
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I mean, this seems good.
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It seems like a really nice product.
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I think for most people, including surely me,
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if I had any common sense, this was more than enough.
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I mean, it's a really nice machine.
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And it's not cheap, but it's not absurdly expensive.
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So I'm on board with all these changes.
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- I really like the 13-inch Air with the pencil.
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It's a much cheaper way to get a really big iPad
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that you can draw on, essentially.
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Just like the 15-inch MacBook Air,
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just like the iPhone Plus size,
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keeping the big version stuck in the highest end,
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like trim level, essentially,
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was always a bad decision in terms of satisfying
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customer needs, right?
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And it's great that there is now a big one that is cheaper
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and that is pretty good.
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Like, Face ID, yeah, I like it and everything,
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but it doesn't affect the drawing experience.
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It's just the unlock experience, so who cares?
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And so I give the iPad Air mostly a thumbs up.
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- Yeah, I think it's,
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and we'll get into this more as the show goes on,
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but there is kind of the question
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of what people use iPads for.
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And of course, there's lots of different answers
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to that question, but obviously,
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a very, very common use case for them
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is basically being big screens running low-needs apps,
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like in terms of computing power.
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So that would be obviously things like watching video,
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that's a very popular use for them.
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But even, you know, a lot of people use them
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as kind of light productivity devices,
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or kind of like low-end gaming devices, especially for kids.
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And so I feel like there is a very large market
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for iPads that are just decent
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and have maybe a bigger screen, like the new 13X Air,
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without having all of the cost of the Pro.
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And with the Pro, you know, adding a bunch of features
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for that cost that I think almost all iPad owners
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really don't need.
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I do wish it had Face ID.
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That's the one big kind of like, you know,
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hard to swallow pill here.
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And Apple PR has obviously been telling everybody
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who was at the PR event today,
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'cause we've heard it all on a bunch of other podcasts now,
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you can tell, you can always see
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what Apple's PR talking points are
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by listening to the podcasts and the YouTube videos
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of the people who were there,
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'cause you can tell they were all fed
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the same talking points.
00:29:32
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But clearly Apple is telling everybody
00:29:34
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that the Face ID components are expensive,
00:29:36
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and that's why it just can't be in the air.
00:29:40
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And they could put it in there if they wanted to.
00:29:43
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It's not that expensive, it's not like Face ID is brand new.
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- The follow-up question would be like, how expensive?
00:29:48
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- Yeah, exactly.
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Like they're choosing not to put it in there,
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I think mostly for segmentation.
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- Yeah, the thing is, I agree
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that they probably are expensive,
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but you know, it's not like they're $300, right?
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- So they're, and you know, how much do they cost Apple?
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Whatever they cost, it's like,
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because if Apple told you the truth,
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not that they're ever gonna do this,
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but if they told you, okay, when we buy this part
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plus the integration and assembly, like all told,
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it would cost us this much more per unit
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to put Face ID into it.
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And you would say, great, I'll pay that.
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And Apple would be like, well, that's not what you would pay.
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You'd pay that plus our typical 40% margin.
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Now will you do it?
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And you're like, oh, the cost of all that
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plus the 40% margin, now I'm adding
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like 100 and something bucks to it.
00:30:35
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No, actually I won't pay that.
00:30:36
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And Apple's gonna be like, see?
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And we would say, how about you don't take a 40% margin
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on Face ID, and Apple's like,
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that's not how we became the richest company in the world.
00:30:44
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So that's how that conversation would go essentially.
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But I mean, what Apple's, the Apple talking point
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is essentially emphasizing that unlike RAM
00:30:53
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and every other part of computing,
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apparently the Face ID components haven't gone down
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in price over the years as much as you would think.
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And of course my fault for that would be like,
00:31:03
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what about the things that do go down in price, Apple?
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You also don't give us a break on those.
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So whatever, it's the cheaper product.
00:31:10
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Like what we all hope is from the good old days
00:31:13
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of computing is something will come out
00:31:15
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and it will only be on the high end model
00:31:17
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and we'll just wait a few years and it will trickle down
00:31:18
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to the rest of the lineup.
00:31:20
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And for things whose cost follows the typical electronics,
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computing curve, that does happen.
00:31:28
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And we do see things trickling down to the lower end models.
00:31:30
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But Apple's talking point on this,
00:31:32
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which we just take their word for 'cause I don't know,
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is that the Face ID components have not reduced in price
00:31:38
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like we would expect of typical components
00:31:40
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that go into things.
00:31:41
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That's why it hasn't trickled down yet.
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We would presume that in five years, 10 years,
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eventually it all trickles down.
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Like it used to be that the cheap ones had home buttons
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and we finally got rid of that.
00:31:51
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It took a long time to get rid of that, but we finally did.
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But we didn't replace it all with Face ID,
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we just have Touch ID and the power button.
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But I think it will happen eventually,
00:32:00
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but yes for market segmentation and yes,
00:32:02
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there's probably some truth to the idea
00:32:04
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that those components haven't come down in price
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because I'm not sure how many other manufacturers
00:32:07
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are buying those, but honestly Apple is such a big customer,
00:32:09
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it shouldn't really matter.
00:32:10
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So anyway, fingers crossed for what?
00:32:12
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Let's say five years from now,
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finally getting Face ID on the iPad Air.
00:32:16
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Not the cheap iPad, but just the iPad Air.
00:32:19
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And I think it's interesting too,
00:32:20
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like when you're comparing,
00:32:21
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or trying to figure out relative component costs,
00:32:24
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look at the iPhones.
00:32:25
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And what's interesting about when you compare iPhone
00:32:28
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to iPad is that they do have a lot of the same components.
00:32:31
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However, iPhones generally cost way more than iPads.
00:32:36
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But iPads have these giant screens and more speakers
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and they don't actually save that many of the components.
00:32:44
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- And bigger batteries, those cost more too.
00:32:47
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- Right, and bigger cases.
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So it's interesting, when you look,
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the iPads actually probably,
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they probably do need lower end hardware
00:32:57
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in a lot of ways to hit those prices
00:32:59
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because they are, while keeping at Apple's margins,
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because they are so much lower priced
00:33:05
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than kind of similar generation or comparable iPhones.
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Like right now, the cheapest iPhone is the SE,
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for if we're matching storage tiers,
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then it's 480 for the SE at 128,
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versus 600 for the cheapest phone,
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which is currently the old 13, that's still for sale.
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$600 is the cheapest phone at 128 gigs with Face ID.
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So that compares to the exact same price
00:33:33
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as the iPad Air with the same storage.
00:33:36
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And the iPad Air has the M1 in it, sorry, M2 in it.
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- And a massive screen.
00:33:41
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- Right, and a massive screen and more speakers.
00:33:43
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And so you can sort of see, okay, it is kind of,
00:33:47
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they don't have the cell modem, so that saves some.
00:33:51
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You can get it for more money, obviously,
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but at that price, they have less cellular equipment,
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the camera system is cheaper, probably,
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but you can start to see there is some price pressure there
00:34:04
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that they're trying to sell these devices
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with phone components, with phone profit margins,
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but they're bigger devices, so that does become harder.
00:34:14
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But all that being said, I do think the choice of Face ID
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is not about component cost in this case,
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it is primarily segmentation.
00:34:23
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- So that's the iPad Air, and you know,
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I think it's basically two thumbs up from the ATP crew,
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I think we're good.
00:34:29
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- I think though, for our listeners,
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if you're trying to consider what to buy,
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I would suggest, unless you are really pushing
00:34:37
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the processing power of your iPad,
00:34:39
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which we'll get to, it's difficult to do,
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iPads tend to last a long time in use,
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like they tend to have pretty long lives.
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I would suggest maybe going for a Pro
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and just keeping it longer, compared to going for an Air.
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If you are a nerd who listens to this show,
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who cares about things like the best screen,
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the Face ID convenience, like the better speakers,
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better, all that stuff, I think you'd be better off
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buying an iPad Pro every five years or whatever,
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compared to buying an iPad Air every three years,
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or whatever the numbers are for you,
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I think you're better off getting the nice Pro features
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if you're a nerd like us.
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But for most people who are not nerds,
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this is a great mid-range product and they won't care.
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- And you can look at a refurb like previous model iPad Pro
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if you don't care about the features
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that are new on this one, because you will get
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all the Pro features and you'll get Face ID,
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you'll get all the good stuff, you get a fast processor,
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it just won't have this year's stuff.
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And while those are still in stock from Apple,
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or if you can find one cheap elsewhere,
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that you can get a good deal on it.
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- So let's talk iPad Pro.
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And as we were transitioning from Ternus in the library,
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talking about the iPad Air, he grabs a little book
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that says, the title was It's Thin Possible,
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which I thought was pretty funny.
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And we learn about the iPad Pro.
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Was it immediately that we get the commercial thing?
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Is that right?
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- The crushing video?
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- Oh, what a weird thing that was.
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- Yeah, so again, as we're recording, it's Wednesday night.
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And I have been mostly offline for most of the day,
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but I've been online enough to see that apparently
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people have thoughts about the crushing commercial.
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So let me describe this real quick.
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So you see on one of those gigantic industrial presses,
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just massive, massive, massive industrial presses,
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there's like a piano and instruments and art and paint
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and all these different things that are all supposed
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to represent different flavors of art and whatnot.
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And it's on this industrial press
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that starts squishing it all down.
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And they do some kind of funny things where there's like,
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I don't know the name for it,
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but you know those wooden people,
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like humanoid models that you can pose in different poses.
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If you saw a picture of it,
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you'd know exactly what I'm thinking of.
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And it's got its arms up and its head looking back like,
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"No, don't squish me," sort of thing.
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And then there's a TV with a little animated character
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and it looks up and kind of does an oh no sort of thing.
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And at the time, I didn't think that much of it.
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I didn't think it was stellar,
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but I saw what they were going for.
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It made sense to me at the time.
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Oh, what they're doing is they're squishing all this down.
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And then the end of the commercial,
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the press comes back up
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and you see that there's an iPad Pro sitting there.
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So the ostensible message here
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is that all these different things that you can do,
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you can paint, you can play music,
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you can do video, all this stuff,
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you can squish into this one iPad Pro.
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- And this new iPad Pro is really thin.
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That's the other thing.
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We squished the iPad so it got even skinnier
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'cause it was squished in a hydraulic press.
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That's why it's so thin.
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That's why it's thin possible,
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so our thinnest product ever, blah, blah, blah.
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So that's why they're using a hydraulic press in this app.
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So for me, when I first saw it, I was like,
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"Eh, okay, whatever."
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And apparently there's been some discourse since then.
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And I think, again, for me, I don't really understand it,
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but if I try to put my head in the shoe,
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or put my thoughts in the shoes
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of someone who's a creative professional in that sense,
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like a true-to-form artist, musician, so on and so forth,
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especially what's been going on with AI recently
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and the discourse around AI,
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I could see how it would be a little bothersome
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to say the least, even--
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- Oh, god, I think it was terrible.
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So I am not a creative professional
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in any of the ways that were represented there.
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Maybe they could crush a podcasting microphone.
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So it starts out, and the first thing you see get crushed
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is a trumpet standing on its end.
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First of all, my kid plays a trumpet,
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so there's trumpets in my house.
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And I'm like, "I don't think musicians will like this."
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And even I, not a musician,
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I see they're crushing a trumpet.
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I'm like, "That's so destructive, what a waste."
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And I'm like, "I see what they're going for.
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"Look, you can cram all this stuff into an iPad."
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What it looked like to me was we are destroying
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all of these real-world artistic objects
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because you don't need them anymore
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because you're replacing them with this fake digital version
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and that's pretty disrespectful.
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- Well, yeah, there's a lot of anxiety
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about AI replacing creative people
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and the computers taking their jobs and stuff,
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and I think that's all tied up in this as well.
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- I didn't even consider it an AI thing,
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although I see why people would be sensitive
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about that right now, that makes sense.
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But I think it just showed disrespect
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for all of these instruments of music and art.
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It's like, you don't need this crap anymore.
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You just have an iPad.
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It's like, ooh, that's an odd message to be sending.
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- Yeah, I see how they came up with this ad, though.
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I posted this on Mastodon.
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I was surprised at how many people didn't know about this
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'cause I feel like it's one of the most famous channels
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on YouTube, but there's a channel on YouTube
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called, fittingly, the Hydraulic Press channel.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- And they just take a hydraulic press and squish things.
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And the reason people like that channel
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is it's fun to see what various materials do
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when put under a tremendous amount of pressure.
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And generally what people wanna see
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is them do something dramatic.
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They explode, they shatter,
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or they crush in a really interesting way,
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or they're just destroyed,
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or it doesn't look like anything has happened
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for 30 seconds and then finally they just shatter
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into a million pieces, right?
00:42:13
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That's why this channel is popular.
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So when they came up with the idea of it's really thin,
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we're gonna put it in the hydraulic press,
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oh, let's make it look like we're pressing
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all this stuff into it,
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like we're pressing all this creativity inside of it.
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The problem is that when you're shooting this
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and you live in a culture
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where the Hydraulic Press channel exists
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and you know that people like it
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because of the destruction, that's the direction you go,
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which is like, okay, it's not just that we have
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a bunch of musical instruments and sculptures
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and paints and all sorts of stuff in the thing.
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It's okay, but when they get pressed,
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they're going to do something dramatic.
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They're gonna crumple, they're gonna explode,
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they're gonna squirt.
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That means at the end of the thing they had a giant,
00:42:50
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like a big explosion type thing, right?
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And so what they, and unknowingly,
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they think they're doing what they should be doing,
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which is like, that's what people like
00:42:59
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about the Hydraulic Press channel.
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We have to do that, of course,
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but what they've unknowingly started to do
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is show the destruction of things
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that are meaningful to people.
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And it mostly doesn't matter whether it was all CG,
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all practical, or anywhere in between.
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Like, I don't think anyone is specifically angry
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that they killed one trumpet, right?
00:43:17
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It's the idea of showing even a completely CG trumpet
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being crushed because it is,
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it's disrespectful to the objects, you know?
00:43:26
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It looks like, because they're destroying them.
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The destruction of them is the point,
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because that's what people like
00:43:32
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about the Hydraulic Press channel,
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is things are destroyed,
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and they got those wires crossed, right?
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And so that's, it'll pass or whatever,
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but I feel like it's an interesting point,
00:43:43
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because everyone making it feels like they're doing,
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like, you know, creative stuff is inside the iPad.
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The iPad's real thin,
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and also everybody loves the Hydraulic Press channel.
00:43:53
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And when they put them together, it's like, no,
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you didn't realize, you know,
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you took a bunch of individual things that people like,
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but you crossed the streams.
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To the people watching the Hydraulic Press channel,
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like, no violinist wants to go to the Hydraulic Press channel
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and see them destroy even the cheapest violin
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in the Hydraulic Press.
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Like, that's what they essentially did.
00:44:11
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They went to the Hydraulic Press channel and they said,
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what item do you care about in your life
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as a creative professional?
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Come to the Hydraulic Press channel,
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we're gonna put that in it.
00:44:19
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And that, people don't like.
00:44:21
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Like, that's not the vibe.
00:44:23
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So, you know, they'll learn,
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hopefully learn from this mistake.
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I think the idea of squishing it to make it real flat
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is fine, but you know, they can all be winners.
00:44:32
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- And one thing I noticed immediately, too, in the video is,
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you don't see any Apple products getting squished.
00:44:37
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Like, they squish, they have some PC monitors,
00:44:40
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that look, they might be Apple products,
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but they just get knocked over and it cuts away,
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you never see them actually get damaged.
00:44:46
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Like, you only see other things get--
00:44:47
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- What would they crush into the iPad?
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Like, I guess I'd put, I don't know, the iPod Nano,
00:44:53
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that we see later.
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- Well, the Mac for a few years ago.
00:44:58
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- Yeah, that's true.
00:44:59
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- Butterfly keyboard, wee!
00:45:00
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- The smart keyboard folio, aw.
00:45:03
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- Yeah, well, that's true.
00:45:04
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So, in any case, so let's talk about the design,
00:45:08
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and Apple said, quote, "We've always envisioned iPad
00:45:10
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"as a magical sheet of glass."
00:45:12
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And so, apparently it's pretty darn close now.
00:45:15
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So, the 11 inch is 5.3 millimeters
00:45:18
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and just barely under a pound.
00:45:20
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The 13 inch is 5.1 millimeters,
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and I don't have the weight in front of me,
00:45:25
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1.02 pounds, I believe.
00:45:27
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And a lot of people have pointed out,
00:45:30
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this doesn't bother me as much as I think it bothers
00:45:32
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a lot of other people, although it does make me chuckle.
00:45:34
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The iPad Pro is now lighter than the iPad Air, which,
00:45:38
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I understand how we got there, and maybe, John,
00:45:40
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you can give us a nickel tour, or I can if you prefer,
00:45:42
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of how we ended up here, but that is kind of funny
00:45:45
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that this is where we are.
00:45:46
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- Yeah, I mean, it's just that, more of Apple's, like,
00:45:49
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difficulty, let's say, in naming things.
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The iPad Air, the original one, Air,
00:45:53
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was because it's light as air, and it's thin,
00:45:55
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and it fits in a metal envelope, and the problem is,
00:45:57
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that product was wildly successful, and so, Apple's like,
00:46:00
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"We need to leverage this brand equity."
00:46:03
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People like the MacBook Air.
00:46:06
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Air is good, A, we're gonna keep making that,
00:46:08
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and B, we can put the Air suffix on other products,
00:46:11
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and make people associate them with the good feelings
00:46:13
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they have about the MacBook Air, even though it doesn't
00:46:16
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necessarily make any sense, because they would put Air
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on products that were not the smallest, lightest,
00:46:20
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thinnest, most manila envelope, slippy, like,
00:46:23
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they're just doing it because it's a brand name that worked,
00:46:24
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and Air has long since stopped meaning anything
00:46:27
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about how small it, remember when there was the,
00:46:29
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you know, the MacBook One, the 12-inch MacBook,
00:46:31
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it was way smaller than any Air, but it wasn't called Air,
00:46:34
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but the Air still exists, they were bigger than that, right?
00:46:36
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So it's, Air just means it's not the Pro One,
00:46:39
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and we're trying to leverage, establish brand equity
00:46:43
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based on the MacBook Air, so it's not particularly sensible,
00:46:46
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and they probably should have retired it,
00:46:49
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or kept it just in the MacBook Air.
00:46:51
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When they extended it to the iPad, you're like,
00:46:53
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"All right, fine, whatever," but anyway,
00:46:55
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the fact that the Air is a little bit heavier
00:46:57
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than the Pro now, like, who cares?
00:46:59
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It's not a big deal.
00:47:00
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- Well, it made sense, the very first iPad Air
00:47:04
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was a big weight and thickness savings
00:47:06
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over its predecessor, so it actually made sense
00:47:09
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to use it when they first used it.
00:47:11
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- Briefly. - But yeah,
00:47:12
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but then all iPads just became those dimensions,
00:47:14
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and now it doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:47:16
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- Yeah, and you know, now the Pro's got thinner,
00:47:18
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which is interesting, so Apple's big pitch on this was,
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it's the thinnest Apple product ever,
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and I immediately started googling, I'm like,
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"Really, was it thinner than,"
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I'm trying to think of the thinnest product,
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they compared it to the iPad Nano, and--
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- The iPod Nano. - Obviously,
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they showed it on camera, I'm like,
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wasn't, and I looked this up, I'm like,
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"Surely the buttonless shuffle was thinner than the Nano,"
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but the answer is no, it was not,
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according to my brief googling during the keynote.
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So I take Apple at their word,
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this is the thinnest Apple product ever.
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There is some history with thin Apple products,
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mostly not good. (laughs)
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When, what was it, the iPhone 6, I believe,
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it was-- - Yeah, Vendgate.
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- The thinnest iPhone they had ever made,
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that didn't work out that well,
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it turned out to be easier to bend.
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I guarantee you, you're going to see bent iPad Pros
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on a million YouTube channels,
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'cause that's, I mean, there's YouTube channels
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that are just literally dedicated
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to buying every Apple product and bending it,
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like that just always happens. (laughs)
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And it will happen with these as well.
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And Apple does the same thing,
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Apple bends its own products to see how bendy they are.
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This is thinner than it was before,
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is it thinner, is the amount that it's thinner,
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'cause I think it's only like, especially the 11 inches,
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around like maybe one or two millimeters thinner
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than it used to be, right?
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And it's noticeable when you pick it up
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from the reports of the people who were there.
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Is that change in thickness enough
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to change the durability of this?
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Because when you see these YouTube channels
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that are gonna buy a new iPad Pro and bend it,
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take note of whether or not they take
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a previous generation iPad Pro and also bend it.
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And do they do it on a piece of equipment
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that can measure the strength required?
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Like, is it worse than the previous one is my question?
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And I think a lot of the sensational YouTube videos you see
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will not answer that question.
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They'll just say, it's bendy, look how easy it is to bend.
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Okay, but is this worse than it was before?
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Is it better than it was before
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because they reinforced it?
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We don't know.
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But it is somewhat of a concern
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because as far as we can tell,
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the materials this is made out of
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are the same as they have been.
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And Apple didn't brag about any,
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like every car manufacturer does,
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every time there's a new generation of a car,
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they will tell you how much increased torsional rigidity
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that they frame had.
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Apple did not say that about this.
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Last time Apple said that was I think with the 6S maybe,
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or whenever they fixed the bendy one
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before they started making the phone sticker again.
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So I'm not against thin iPads.
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I think it's great.
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I do wonder about the durability,
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but I'm certainly not going to try to bend mine.
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I treat my iPad so gently,
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it's probably not gonna get bent.
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But this is something we'll find out.
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Someone's gonna buy that 13 inch iPad Pro,
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which is the thinnest ever, 5.1 millimeters,
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and they're gonna put it in their backpack
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with a bunch of books or something,
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and they're gonna take it out one day
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and it's gonna be bent
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and there's gonna be story about it.
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And the question will remain,
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is it more bendy than the previous 12.9 inch was?
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And that is a question that could be answered with science,
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but I don't have the science or the money
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to bend two iPads to find out the answer to that question.
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Presumably Apple does and they're okay with it.
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So for now, I would just say, if you buy one of these,
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maybe be a little tiny bit extra careful with it.
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- Yeah, so 5.1 and 5.3 millimeters
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and the iPad Air is seven millimeters.
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And as they mentioned during the video,
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it is thinner than the iPad Nano.
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I almost said iPad there.
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And our friend Federico Viticci was in London
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at a press event that they had there.
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And he had the wherewithal to notice
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that the standard Apple Thunderbolt cable
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is just barely taller than, or bigger than the,
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I presume this is the 13 inch iPad Pro,
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which is just bananas that the cable is,
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when you include the housing and whatnot,
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is bigger than the--
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- Yeah, like the plastic grommet,
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the plastic little thing that has the little Thunderbolt
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symbol on it, a Thunderbolt cable,
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that is thicker than the device.
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- That's amazing.
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- It's just bananas.
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- And they're really approaching,
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we've talked about this
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when they made the transition from lightning.
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Now these devices are pushing up against
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how thin you can make a device with a USB-C connector on it.
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As predicted years ago on past shows,
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it's like if they keep getting thinner,
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eventually you will hit the limit of USB-C.
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And the limit of USB-C is a little,
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you'll hit that limit a little bit sooner
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than you would have for lightning.
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They need to do this, 'cause again,
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this is not just the USB-C port, it's a Thunderbolt port,
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that's one of the Pro features.
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But I feel like there is a limit
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on how thin they can make these iPads,
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and it's defined by that plug right there.
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- Yep, so battery capacity has changed.
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In the 11 inch, it's gone up about 10,
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a little less than 10%,
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but in the 13 inch, it's gone down about 5%,
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which is kind of funny.
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- And the battery life for all of them
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is rated the same as it ever was, which is 10 hours.
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So it's interesting how they end up with that.
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I don't think the insides of these devices
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are different in any way,
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other than obviously the big one has a big screen,
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which presumably uses more energy.
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So it's weird that the, well, I guess,
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it's weird that the 11 inch got bigger,
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but this is relative to the previous 11 inch,
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and the 13 inch got smaller
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relative to the previous 13 inch.
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Obviously, the 13 inch does have a bigger battery
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than the 11 inch, but whatever they're doing,
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like I heard from people who were there in person,
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like, wow, the 11 inch is so thin,
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even though it's like only a millimeter,
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you can really feel the difference.
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They must have a smaller battery in the 11 inch,
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but they don't, they have a bigger battery.
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It's the device thinner, and it has a bigger battery,
00:52:33
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or at least a battery with more capacity.
00:52:35
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I don't know if it's physically larger,
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maybe they have a better energy density
00:52:39
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with whatever new battery thing they're using,
00:52:41
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but don't think just because these are thinner
00:52:43
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that they are sacrificing battery life.
00:52:45
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They're not, well, they may be sacrificing battery life,
00:52:48
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but if they are, it's probably not because of the thickness,
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because they actually added battery to the 11 inch.
00:52:53
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And the 13 inch, the little one down,
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only went down by like 5%.
00:52:56
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- The colors are, speaking of, same as it ever was,
00:53:00
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they're silver and space black.
00:53:01
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I guess maybe that's slightly different than before,
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but effectively it's the same as it always was,
00:53:05
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as Jason and Mike have talked about on Upgrade many times.
00:53:08
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The fancier the device, the less cool the colors get.
00:53:13
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But John, I'm just gonna sit back
00:53:15
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and let you take this from here.
00:53:17
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Ultra Retina XDR, and it's on both sizes, baby.
00:53:21
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So how happy are you, John Syracuse?
00:53:24
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- I did know that the good screen was gonna come on both,
00:53:27
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because that has always been the rumor, and that's great,
00:53:29
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because in the previous generation,
00:53:31
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the mini LED backlit screen was only on the big size,
00:53:36
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and I didn't buy that.
00:53:37
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I don't like mini LED, and it wasn't important enough
00:53:39
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for me to get a big iPad anyway.
00:53:41
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But yeah, it's on both.
00:53:42
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It is as was rumored, as we discussed in the last episode.
00:53:45
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It's a two-layer OLED.
00:53:48
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They call it the tandem OLED, where they take two OLEDs
00:53:50
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and they just lay them on top of each other,
00:53:53
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so they can run each one at a little bit lower power
00:53:55
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to extend its life, but then they get more light output,
00:53:57
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because you got, hey, two screens for the price of one.
00:54:00
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It's 1,000 nits max for SDR and HDR.
00:54:05
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I guess they're saying that's full screen.
00:54:08
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I don't know.
00:54:09
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I only know how they do these great things
00:54:12
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on television ratings.
00:54:13
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It's not clear how they're doing it here.
00:54:14
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But anyway, a 1,600 nits peak HDR,
00:54:16
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which means not probably the whole screen,
00:54:19
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those numbers, the 1,600 one may be familiar to you
00:54:22
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from what the iPhone OLEDs are rated at
00:54:25
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and what the Pro Display XDR is rated at,
00:54:27
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and this is kind of like the 10-hour battery life.
00:54:29
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Well, Apple has just decided that 1,600 nits peak HDR,
00:54:33
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that's good for a while.
00:54:34
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So the XDR did that ages ago.
00:54:37
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All the MacBook Pros have screens that do 1,600 nits peak HDR
00:54:42
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now, and the phones do, and now this thing does.
00:54:45
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That's just what they pick,
00:54:46
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'cause you can drive these screens harder
00:54:47
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to make them brighter and wear them out sooner,
00:54:49
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and so you can kind of pick where that is,
00:54:50
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but that's what these are capable of,
00:54:51
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and it's all in the family.
00:54:53
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The 1,000 nits for SDR is interesting,
00:54:55
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because SDR is like when you're looking at your Windows
00:54:58
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and your menu bar and stuff like that.
00:54:59
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On a Mac or on any other thing, we're just looking at the UI.
00:55:01
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The UI is not an HDR unless you do something weird
00:55:04
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to force it that way.
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And the SDR limits for Apple stuff
00:55:10
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is usually around 500 to 600 nits,
00:55:13
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like for the Macs, for the iMac, even for the XDR.
00:55:17
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When I'm looking at my XDR now,
00:55:19
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nothing on my screen is 1,600 nits,
00:55:21
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because it's just UI, there's no HDR in it, right?
00:55:24
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And it's probably around, well, at a maximum,
00:55:26
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500 to 600 nits, I don't crank it up that way
00:55:28
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like Marco does, but anyway. (laughs)
00:55:30
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This iPad's go to 1,000 in SDR,
00:55:33
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and this is the feature of televisions as well,
00:55:35
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where they're like, okay, the actual limit for SDR,
00:55:39
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for standard definition, like before the age of HDR,
00:55:41
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like back in the '70s or '80s or whatever,
00:55:43
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how bright or television's supposed to be,
00:55:45
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like what was the mastering monitors they were using,
00:55:47
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it's so incredibly dim by modern standards
00:55:49
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that nobody would run into that.
00:55:50
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So it has been a feature of televisions for ages
00:55:53
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to say you can watch non-HDR content, like your local news,
00:55:57
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and you can turn the brightness up
00:55:59
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so that it'll be much brighter
00:56:01
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than it's quote-unquote supposed to be.
00:56:03
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For a portable device, that's an important feature,
00:56:07
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so you can see the screen outdoors, basically,
00:56:08
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like they're not going to show it at like 300 or 200 nits
00:56:11
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or some thing that's like what you would expect
00:56:14
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like in a dark room,
00:56:16
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you'd wanna look at a computer monitor.
00:56:17
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You want it to be able to go brighter.
00:56:19
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So allowing the UI to go up to 1,000 nits,
00:56:22
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essentially it's a software change or whatever,
00:56:25
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is a feature for outdoor viewability.
00:56:27
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Again, I don't know if this is full screen
00:56:30
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or some portion of the screen on televisions.
00:56:32
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For power reasons, it is very, very often the case
00:56:36
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that a very like 10% of the screen can light up
00:56:39
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to some huge number and 100% of the screen can light up
00:56:41
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to that number divided by like 10 or 20, right?
00:56:44
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Hope that's not the case on these screens,
00:56:46
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but honestly, I don't care that much
00:56:47
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because I don't spend my time while looking
00:56:48
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at 100% white images filling the entire screen
00:56:52
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at maximum brightness, that's pointless,
00:56:54
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unless you're using it as a flash.
00:56:56
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There are new resolutions on these screens.
00:56:59
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The pixels per inch is still 264,
00:57:01
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the same as it's always been.
00:57:03
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The 11 inch one gets 32 extra pixels in width,
00:57:08
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woo, compared to the old one.
00:57:10
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And the 13 inch one gets 20 pixels in width
00:57:13
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and 16 pixels at height.
00:57:15
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This is not a feature, like obviously this is so small
00:57:18
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you can't even see it, these pixels are very small.
00:57:20
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It's just, this is the part they got.
00:57:22
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I don't know how they came to this decision,
00:57:23
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but it is relevant for software developers
00:57:25
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if you have some kind of pixel perfect layout,
00:57:26
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but honestly you shouldn't.
00:57:28
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Size classes have been around for ages,
00:57:29
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flexible layouts have been around for ages,
00:57:31
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but just FYI, these screens, these iPad Pro OLED,
00:57:35
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tandem OLEDs are not the same size
00:57:38
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as any previous iPad screens.
00:57:41
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And they're slightly bigger, which is fine.
00:57:45
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You do have a nano texture glass option,
00:57:48
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and we will start getting into the portionification
00:57:51
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of the iPad at this stage.
00:57:53
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Nano texture is a feature that was available
00:57:54
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on the Pro Display XDR ages ago,
00:57:57
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it's also on the studio display.
00:57:59
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It's basically like a matte screen,
00:58:00
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but instead of making the matte screen
00:58:02
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by putting like a piece of plastic over it
00:58:03
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or something or whatever, they take the glass,
00:58:05
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the normal glossy glass and they microscopically etch it
00:58:09
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so the glass is like, if you looked at it in a microscope,
00:58:12
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it's like rough instead of smooth,
00:58:13
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and they do this to make reflections more diffuse
00:58:17
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or whatever.
00:58:17
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I personally do not like nano texture,
00:58:22
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and I'm glad about that because it was a $1000 option
00:58:24
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on my already expensive screen.
00:58:26
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I don't know how much it actually costs
00:58:29
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to make nano texture.
00:58:30
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There's maybe like the gold mine of profit margins for Apple,
00:58:32
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but Apple has always charged a huge amount for it.
00:58:34
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They charge less on the studio display proportionally
00:58:37
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than they do the XDR, which makes you think
00:58:38
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it's just like, it's gotta be almost pure profit for them,
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but who knows?
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Nano texture is an option on both of these iPads,
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but the only way you get access to that option
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is if you buy the WiSAC package,
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I'm pronouncing that wrong probably,
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ViSAC package?
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Porsche has these option packages
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that if you want any of the good stuff,
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you gotta buy the big option package, right?
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You can't just get nano texture,
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'cause nano texture is you just add like what,
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$100, $200, whatever it is,
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but no, you can't even get nano texture
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unless you buy one of the iPads
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that has one or two terabytes of storage.
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And what relation does storage have to the nano texture?
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None whatsoever. (laughing)
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It's totally unrelated.
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But if you want nano texture,
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if you want the privilege of paying
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a couple hundred extra bucks for nano texture,
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you have to pay up to what, $600 more
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from going from the base to,
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I think it's $100 for nano texture plus $600
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to go to the one terabyte model from 256.
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So the nano texture option is essentially
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a $700 option starting from the base model.
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And that's rough.
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Again, I don't care 'cause I don't like nano texture.
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I don't think people should get nano texture.
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And there are a lot of open questions about nano texture
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because nano texture on the XDR,
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when it first came out, people were like,
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"Oh, if you get the nano texture on the XDR,
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"make sure you don't touch your screen
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"'cause it's really hard to get fingerprints off
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"because you have to clean it with Apple special cloth
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"and you can't use any microfiber cloth.
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"You have to use Apple special ones."
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I think it's mostly BS,
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but if you use a low quality microfiber, it might be bad.
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But if you get finger grease on it, it's hard to clean off.
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You can't use certain cleaners, don't use abrasive things.
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You can mess it up.
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And because it is such a micro textured finish,
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I believe you could mess it up
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if you used anything even mildly abrasive.
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And by messing it up,
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it would essentially permanently smudge your screen
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by making it unevenly rough
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because you will have disturbed
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the evenly rough nano texture to surface
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with like an abrasive paper towel or something
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and made it unevenly rough.
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Nano texture has always terrified me.
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Anyway, Apple is now selling touch devices
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that you're supposed to touch when you use it.
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Forget about don't quit your finger.
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You're supposed to touch it with nano texture on them.
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I don't know if it's the same nano texture
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that's on their screens.
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I don't know if they've tested it and they say it's fine.
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Finger grease is fine.
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It does come with the little special microfiber cloth,
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which I think is just a high quality microfiber cloth.
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But I personally would not recommend
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buying any of these devices with nano texture
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if you are at all concerned about
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fingerprint smudges and cleaning the screen.
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Wait a week, wait a month.
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See what the deal is with nano texture.
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Is it okay to have a nano texture screen
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that you get fingerprints all over?
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Is it not a big deal?
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Or is there some sort of problem?
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Because this is the very first one of these
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that has existed.
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And unlike an XDR where you can just be disciplined
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and say, I just won't touch it,
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that's not an option with the iPad.
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I guess if you use the Apple Pencil everywhere,
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you could do it.
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But even with the Apple Pencil,
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I'm like, do I wanna rub the Apple Pencil
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against my nano texture screen?
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Apple has obviously tested this
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and I'm sure they're gonna say everything's fine.
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But I am personally super nervous about nano texture,
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which is why I'm absolutely definitely not getting it
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on any thing that Apple ever sells me
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and certainly not on iPad.
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- So how do you really feel about it, Jon?
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- I'm happy about the screens.
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The specs look great.
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Color reproduction looks reasonable.
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I'm happy the 1600 nits,
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you know, like everything looks good about the screen.
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I'm happy with the battery life, the thickness.
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Like they put a double layer screen in there
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that gets way brighter
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and it's got the same 10 hours of battery life.
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Like thumbs up.
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Like this, from what I want from this thing,
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it's looking pretty good.
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- You're happy, but you're less effusive
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than I thought you would be.
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I mean, you've been waiting for this for a few years now.
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Aren't we like overjoyed?
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Like I expect to see you or hear you running around the room
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screaming to the rooftops how excited you are
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and I'm not getting that from you.
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- Well, when I get it, I'll see how amazing it is.
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But yeah, no, there are things to modify my happiness
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that we will get to shortly.
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- This is just how Jon sounds when he's excited.
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- Yeah, this is what Jon sounds like
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when he's really excited.
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- There are some things that are not as exciting about this.
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Setting aside the nanotexture thing, which we'll get to.
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Obviously this works with Apple Pencil Pro,
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but not the Apple Pencil 2 because of the landscape camera.
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- Yeah, I mean, just like, you know,
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just before we leave the screen,
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like I think the screen is a huge part of the Pro story.
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It is, by all accounts, a really great screen.
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And you know, what they've had to do with, you know,
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the dual layers to make it.
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There is no question, like, we are all going to just be
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waiting and waiting and waiting for these screens
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to come to the other products in their lineup.
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Like we cannot wait for the screen to come to a MacBook Pro.
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We cannot wait for the screen to come,
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maybe eventually to a desktop-sized monitor.
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Like, this is gonna be like the thing we're waiting for
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'cause it is, by all accounts, just such an amazing screen.
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So I'm really happy to see, like, they are still
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leading the industry in really good screens.
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- Well, I mean, it's the Samsung screen or whatever.
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Like, people always attribute this to Apple.
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Apple App's not making this screen.
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They're just, but yeah, this--
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- Well, no one else is selling 'em.
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Like, I don't see anyone else doing it.
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- Yeah, I mean, they have the power of the money
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to say we want a screen that works like this.
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I mean, companies have been trying to do these dual layer
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OLEDs for a long time and it's been very difficult
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and Apple's gonna, you know, Apple gets the good stuff first
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'cause they pay the money, right?
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So they, you know, and I do hope this expands
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to other products and to review for the people
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who don't know why we care about OLED,
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I heard Gurbron Dithering say he was looking for blooming
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and didn't see it.
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You're not gonna see blooming in OLED.
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Like, the reason we are excited about OLEDs
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is because each individual pixel lights up individually.
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And you may think, isn't that how all screens work?
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I have an iPad and each individual pixel lights up.
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Well, LCD screens are done with a backlight
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where there are lights behind the pixels
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and then like color filters of various kinds
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that color it or whatever.
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But the lights behind the pixels are not one pixel in size.
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The lights behind the pixels are huge compared to pixels.
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There's often like, you know, there's millions of pixels
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but there's like a few hundred backlight regions of,
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you know, the backlights are like one inch by one inch
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or one centimeter by one centimeter.
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Huge number of pixels, especially retina resolution
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are behind that.
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And so the like the worst case scenario for that
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is like a star field in space.
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It's perfectly black with these pinpoints of stars.
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Each little pinprick of stars is a couple of little pixels
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at very high brightness.
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On an LCD display, on a quote, mini LED display,
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you have to light up the backlight region
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behind each one of the stars.
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The star is a pinprick,
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but the backlight is like one centimeter by one centimeter
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or one inch by one inch
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or like whatever size the backlight regions are.
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You have to light up that entire thing behind that pinprick.
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So what you end up with is the blackness of space,
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pinpricks of light, but around each pinprick of light,
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there's like a little,
01:05:19
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you can even see the shape of the backlight region sometimes.
01:05:21
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It's like a little square glowing, right?
01:05:23
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And for years, manufacturers have been trying to figure out
01:05:25
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how can we make it so you can't see the backlight
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behind that because LCDs can't block all the light.
01:05:31
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Like when you turn off the, when you make an LCD black
01:05:34
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and you tell it block all the light from the backlight,
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they block as much as they can, but they can't block at all.
01:05:38
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And that light that leaks through
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where it's not supposed to be there,
01:05:42
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where there's supposed to be black space,
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but now there's gray space,
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that is bloom around those pinpoints of light or whatever.
01:05:49
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OLED doesn't have that problem.
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Every individual pixel in OLED lights up all by itself.
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There's no backlight region.
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There's no how many different regions of backlights,
01:05:56
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how many individual backlights.
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There's essentially one backlight for every pixel.
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That's why we love OLED.
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There is no blooming in OLED
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other than the natural blooming of a pinprick of light
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when you look up at the sky and you see a star.
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It is a point source
01:06:08
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because you can just light up that one pixel.
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That's why everyone goes gaga over OLED.
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Our phones are OLED.
01:06:14
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You can buy OLED televisions.
01:06:16
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There are OLED screens on laptops and so on.
01:06:18
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And this is Apple's introduction
01:06:19
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to larger than iPhone size OLEDs.
01:06:23
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And of course, OLEDs burn in.
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So now they've got a dual layer one
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where you can run them at lower power
01:06:27
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to hopefully combat burn in
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and you can make it very bright and very colorful.
01:06:30
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And so anyway, yeah, this is a great screen.
01:06:33
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As I said last episode,
01:06:34
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I think this will be the best screen Apple has ever made.
01:06:36
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I think Apple itself made that pitch.
01:06:38
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And like Margot said,
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that means we want screens like this to be on all our devices
01:06:43
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assuming they don't have any bad burn in problems.
01:06:46
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But again, we'll find that out as these enter the market.
01:06:48
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- What is the, I should know this, but I do not.
01:06:51
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What is the longevity for OLED?
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Because don't they eventually,
01:06:55
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it's organic light emitting diodes, right?
01:06:58
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So something--
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- Yeah, every time you use a pixel,
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it wears down a little bit.
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- Yeah, so I mean, ideally what you want to happen
01:07:05
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and the television does as well,
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as they wear down,
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they do like essentially a compensation cycle
01:07:10
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where there's like a computer
01:07:12
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that figures out how much each one has worn down
01:07:14
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and it tries to level them because they could say,
01:07:15
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okay, this one is worn out,
01:07:16
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so we got to give it a little more power than that one.
01:07:18
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They want to make it so that it's even,
01:07:20
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but inevitably what happens is over time,
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if even this, if these compensations are working perfectly,
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the max, if you just put the whole screen being white,
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that will just slowly get dimmer over time
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'cause you will be slowly wearing out the pixels.
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What you want is for it to get dimmer uniformly
01:07:34
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and not have like the logo
01:07:36
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that's in the corner of the screen burned in or whatever.
01:07:38
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Like that's what the compensation cycles are trying to do,
01:07:41
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but yeah, they wear it over time,
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but they'll, and OLED should last
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the normal usage lifetime of an iPad.
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I mean, look at our phones, like same deal.
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We've had OLED phones for years and years, right?
01:07:52
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And if you buy like a five-year-old phone,
01:07:54
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maybe you could detect some kind of like, you know,
01:07:56
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image retention, burn in, worn out pixels or whatever,
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but in general, they work,
01:08:00
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OLED phones work until nobody wants to buy them anymore,
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right, until they're so old that they're obsolete.
01:08:04
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So the same should be true of the screen, fingers crossed.
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No promises though.
01:08:09
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All right, so let's talk performance.
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There were some rumors,
01:08:15
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which I think we discussed last week,
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that, oh, you know what?
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This might have the M4.
01:08:20
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And when I first heard this, I was like, "NFW."
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And then after hearing a bunch of our friends
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talk about it on various shows,
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and if we talked about it, I was like,
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"Well, I'm still really skeptical, but maybe."
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And so sure enough, Tim Millett comes up and says,
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"We're going to 4, M4 time,
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"and this is the second generation 3-nanometer technology.
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"And I'm just going to step aside
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"and give you back the floor, John Syracuse,
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"so tell us about this, please."
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- N3e, they didn't say it in the show,
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but the closest they're gonna get
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to having a slide that says N3e,
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because yeah, that's second gen 3-nanometer technology
01:08:57
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And as we said last week with the rumors of this,
01:09:00
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once the iPad model numbers and the part number things
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were dug out, like iPad model numbers
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were dug out of iPad OS 17.5 beta.
01:09:09
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Right, that's hard evidence.
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And you could say, "Well, you don't know
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"that they're gonna keep the numberings."
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They were increasing the numbers by one for each M1, right?
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And they skipped over M3,
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and so that was pretty much hard evidence.
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So like with so many of these things,
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it's a rumor, you don't know, maybe, kind of.
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And then as the date approaches of the announcement,
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things solidify.
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And since we had the luxury of recording
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just one week before the event, they had solidified,
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pretty much, I really expected to see M4,
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and lo and behold, we did.
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What is the M4?
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Apple says it has 28 billion transistors.
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To give a comparison, the M3 has 25 billion transistors.
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So this does have more transistors than the M3,
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not by a lot, but it's different.
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So if you just think this was,
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"Oh, this is just the M3, but on the M3e process,"
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it's not, it's a different SOC, as we'll see
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as we go on here.
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And again, the M3 is the comparison,
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because the M3 Pro has 37 billion,
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and the M3 Max has 92 billion.
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So this is the little one, just the plain old M4,
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It does have 128 gigabits per second memory bandwidth,
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which is up from 100 on the M3, M2, and M1.
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So this is a bump.
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We went three generations of the plain M series chips,
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so they all had 100 gigabytes per second,
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now we're up to 120.
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They're either using faster RAM, or,
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I mean, that's what it's gotta be.
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I think there's like a LPDDR standard
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that's slightly faster.
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So that's good.
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So we've made, it's kind of like a,
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the first generation of LEAP in the baseline,
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smallest M series chip memory bandwidth.
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It has a new display engine,
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which Apple didn't elaborate on.
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I imagine it's, I don't even know.
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Like, they didn't say,
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"Oh, we need this new display engine
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"to drive the two layers of the screen."
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Maybe that's true.
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I would imagine there's some display firmware
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that does that, and they don't have to.
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I don't even know what they mean.
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But anyway, new display engine.
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There's a new media engine,
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which is like the thing that does the H.264 and H.265
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and ProRes decoding and encoding and stuff.
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Apple didn't really talk about that,
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but if you look at the specs,
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only the M4 models say hardware accelerated 8K,
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H.264, blah, blah, blah,
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that 8K is only in the specs for the M4 ones.
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So I guess the other ones couldn't do hardware accelerated 8K.
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They had to fall back to software or something.
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I don't know.
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But anyway, it does have a new media engine.
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So that's good.
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And that's also good because M1, M2, M3,
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whenever someone tested any computer with that thing in it,
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and they do like, "Let's see how fast it can encode
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or decode H.264,"
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that was just running on the media engine.
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It didn't matter how many CPU cores it had,
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how good the GPU was.
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There's dedicated hardware in these SOCs
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to do stuff like H.264 encoding and decoding, right?
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And that dedicated hardware has not gotten faster
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or better that quickly.
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I'm not sure if it's changed at all from the M1 to the M3,
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but it has changed in the M4,
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kind of like the memory bandwidth.
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This may be, I can't say this for certain,
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but this may be the first time
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that the media engine hardware decoder encoder thing
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has gotten substantially faster.
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At a certain point in the presentation,
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I figured who it was, but the person on screen said,
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"The M4 has up to four performance cores."
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And I said, "Wait, what now?"
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(both laughing)
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"Up to four performance cores?"
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Anyway, and six efficiency cores.
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And so the M3 had four performance cores
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and four efficiency cores.
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So you got two new efficiency cores,
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same number of performance cores compared to the M3.
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Are these the same cores as the M3?
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Well, Apple says that the M4 cores have,
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all the cores in the M4 come with quote,
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"Next generation ML accelerators."
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Not the neural engine, not the GPU,
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the CPU cores all have next generation ML accelerators.
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I have no idea what that means,
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but what it does mean is these cores are not the same
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as the M3 cores.
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The power cores aren't the same,
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the efficiency cores aren't the same.
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They're probably similar in size.
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They probably have a close to the similar of transistors,
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but they are different enough
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that they have whatever the hell that is.
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I'm sure we'll find out as time goes on,
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but just to be clear.
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And then Apple throughout this entire presentation
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does the thing that they love to do,
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which is only slightly more justified in this case,
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which is let's compare it not to its predecessor,
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but to its predecessor minus one,
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which makes some sense in this one
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because there's never been an M3 iPad.
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So what are you gonna compare it to?
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You're gonna compare it to the iPad Pro that it's replacing
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and the one that's replacing came with an M2.
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So they say it's 60% faster than the M2.
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And as we always say when we talk about Apple's comparisons
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to multiple generations old, people are like,
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well, that just makes sense 'cause people have old stuff.
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No, not everyone has the latest and greatest.
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We wanna know how fast it is compared to the old thing
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that most people have.
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And I will explain again our reasoning.
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It's not that we think everyone has to have
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the newest stuff.
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It's because what you wanna know,
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at least if you're kind of a tech nerd enthusiast is,
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is this the one to buy?
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Is this a year where we make a big leap?
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Is this a really good one?
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And the way to know that is how big a leap is this one
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over the one that came before it?
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And again, the one that came before it is M2.
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I understand that, but just talking about the M4 as an SOC,
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like is M4 just like barely better than the M3
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or is it twice as good as the M3, right?
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Even if you don't have an M3, what you wanna know is,
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is this the year we make a big leap?
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Is this a good one to buy?
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I haven't bought an iPad in six years.
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Is this the year for me to buy?
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Because we've just made a big leap.
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Like you don't wanna buy,
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if you've been waiting years and years to buy a new one,
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you don't wanna buy when they come up with a model
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that's 1% better than the previous one.
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You wanna wait for that year when it's 5% or 10% or 20%
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because it gives you the most bang for your buck.
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That's the point of the comparison with the predecessor.
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And again, I know the predecessor only had an M2
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but there never was an M3 iPad
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so it makes this a little bit tricky.
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But there are devices that have M3s in them.
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And so setting aside the iPad, if you just wanna know,
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how good is the M4 compared to the M3?
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Apple does not want to tell you.
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We will find out shortly,
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but Apple's not interested in that comparison.
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So anyway, it has a 10 core GPU,
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which is the same as the M3,
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although the M3 is binned sometimes
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'cause sometimes you get one with eight cores active
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instead of the full 10 because binning, right?
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Apple bragged about how much better it is.
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It has the same performance as the M2 at half the power.
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That's great, it's two generation newer chip.
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Thumbs up, we like it.
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But the binning continues and binning,
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we use that term to be like,
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when you make a CPU or make a silicon chip
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and some parts of it don't work,
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you can just turn off those parts
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and sell it anyway for a cheaper price.
01:15:46
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Because every time you make silicon,
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some parts, some of them don't work at all,
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some of them have parts of them that don't work,
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and instead of throwing them out,
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you can just sell them at a lower price
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and then save the ones where everything is working
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and sell them at a higher price
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because you get fewer of those, right?
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That's binning.
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Apple is binning,
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and that's a term for the silicon industry.
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Apple has always binned at silicon
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in the Apple silicon age.
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Now they're essentially doing the equivalent of binning
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with the entire product.
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But for the CPU itself, they are binning that.
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So if you buy an iPad and you want a M4
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with all the parts working,
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you have to buy,
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let me know if you've heard this one before,
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the one terabyte or the two terabyte storage model.
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And what does the storage have to do with the SoC?
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It's separate chips.
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It's not really interested in any way.
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- Price, that's what it is.
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It's price, that's it.
01:16:41
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- 'Cause they want you to buy the Visock package, right?
01:16:44
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Oh, you wanna step up to the,
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you want the good stuff,
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well, you can't just get the CPU with all the stuff working.
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If you want the CPU with all stuff working,
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you have to buy into other stuff,
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whether you want it or not.
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Maybe you don't need a terabyte of storage.
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You have no choice.
01:16:58
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So they have tied those two things together.
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So if you get the 256 gig or the 512 gig model,
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you get an M4 with, and I think this is the first,
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three performance cores instead of four.
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You're missing a performance core,
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not in GPU cores, which I've done many, many times.
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Oh, you don't get all the GPU cores.
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You're missing a performance core.
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I don't know enough about Silicon manufacturing to know,
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like, is it because like the cores are new
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or trickier or something?
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Why do they usually bin based on GPUs?
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Why are they binning based on a performance core?
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Why aren't they binning based on efficiency cores?
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Because the performance cores are harder to make.
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Like, I don't even know.
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- Well, I think it's probably about just surface area.
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You know, the performance cores are always much larger
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on like the area diagram, so.
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- But I think that the GPU is the total, you know,
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die area spent on GPU is bigger than total die area
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spent on CPUs, right?
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- You're probably right, but keep in mind,
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when they bin GPU cores, usually they lop off two of them.
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So it could be like, you know,
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like where is the defect in this area?
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You know, like odds are it's gonna land, you know,
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within one of these blocks, the odds are this percent.
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And so like, you know, they work the numbers,
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they optimize it, so like, all right, well,
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we can bin based on the loss of these like large zones.
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Like if it's somewhere in this zone,
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we can still sell the chip because we just disable
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one or two GPU cores or we disable one of the performance
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cores or whatever.
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So I'm guessing it's all about, you know, area
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and the odds that it will be there or not.
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- Yeah, well, they didn't bin based on GPU cores
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because no matter what storage you get,
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you get a full 10 core GPU, I believe.
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And they also bin, this is not binning again,
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I'm using, I'm overloading this term.
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If you buy the model with 256 gigs or 512 gigs of storage,
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you get eight gigs of RAM, and this is something
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we've done in the past as well.
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If you buy the one terabyte, two terabyte,
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you get double the RAM, 16 gigs.
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I believe they started doing that last iPad Pro.
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- I think even the one before that, I think that might've
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been in the A12Z generation, the 2020 update.
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- Yeah, and again, those things are,
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they're a little bit more related because the RAM
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is on the SOC, so I kind of, there's a little bit
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of an excuse for like, well, that's part of the package,
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the, you know, so I, anyway.
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If you want any of the good expensive stuff,
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you must get all of the good expensive stuff,
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which, you know, that's business for you.
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Like, they've got you where they want you.
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This is not an a la carte thing where you just spec out
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exactly how you want.
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Things are bundled together to a degree
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they've never been.
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And so, you know, comparing this, so the M2 had four
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performance cores and four efficiency cores,
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and the M4, you know, the M2 is the predecessor
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in the iPad line, the M4 has four performance cores
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and six efficiency cores, but if you get a binned M4,
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you are getting an SOC with one fewer performance core
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than its predecessor.
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So the question asked by Rick Williams,
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which I think is a good one, Rick Williams on Mastodon,
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is there some benchmark where the M2 iPad Pro
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will beat the lower end M4 iPad Pro
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because it has one more performance core?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I think there could be a constructed benchmark
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where that might be the case, or at least I thought
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that might be until I saw the preliminary Geekbench numbers
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for the M4, which may be same, because remember,
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they were comparing to the M2, 'cause there is no M3 iPad Pro
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to compare it to, and that would have been like
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a closer fight, but the M2 is kind of older.
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Here, I don't know if these are true,
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'cause Geekbench scores come in at this stage.
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We don't know if they're like official or just random people
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trying things or they're fake or whatever, but anyway,
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here, as of Wednesday, May 8th, is the Geekbench scores
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for M3 versus M4.
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I'm not even doing M2, I'm doing M3 versus M4.
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Single core M3 score, which is currently
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the maximum single core score for any Mac in Geekbench
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is 3,131, that's a 16-inch MacBook Pro M3 Max, right?
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The M4 single core score, if this is true,
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is 3,767, which is 20% higher in single core than M3.
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That's not a small number.
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20% higher in single core, oh my God.
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So that's like, okay, maybe these power cores
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really are difficult to manufacture,
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and they extend to 28 billion transistors compared to 25.
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It's not a massively bigger chicken, this is single core.
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Who cares how many cores there are, this is single core.
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That's a big, if that's real, that's a big leap
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in single core, which makes me think a three performance
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cores in the M4 will crush four performance cores
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in the M3 and the M2 with numbers like this.
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Again, it depends on the algorithm or whatever.
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And then the multi-core, this is an M3 iMac,
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which is the Ferris comparison, plain M3 iMac.
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Multi-core is 11,702 for the M3
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and 14,677 for the M4, so it's a 25% gain in multi-core.
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And again, the multi-core I believe is the same,
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no, no, because you have the extra efficiency scores.
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Anyway, 25% higher multi-core, not that big,
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'cause I think you have the two extra efficiency cores,
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but 20% higher in single core, that is significant.
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That tells me that aside from the media engine being new,
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faster memory bandwidth, 20% higher single core,
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the M4 is not just a warmed over M3,
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if these benchmarks are to be believed.
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Obviously we have to wait until people get these
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into their hands and start testing them,
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but I am optimistic that the M4 looks to be
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at least as good a leap over the M3
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as the M3 was over its predecessor.
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Oh, and then one final thing, the 256 gig model,
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if you get the smallest amount of storage,
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the default smallest amount of storage in the iPad Pro,
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the specs that Apple has say that you can only do
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ProRes video recording at 30 frames per second at 1080p
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instead of 30 frames per second at 4K.
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And the speculation is that's because everyone's favorite,
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there's only a single NAND flash chip in there,
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so you get the half speed.
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- Oh, of course.
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- We won't know until there's a teardown or a benchmark,
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but Apple's own specs say, oh, and by the way,
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video recording is slower on the one with 256,
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so that makes me think they cheaped out on that as well.
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- That is bananas, the difference between the M3 and the M4.
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- If it's real, late break. - If it's real.
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That's what I was gonna say,
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like this seems almost too good to be true,
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but credit to Apple, they've done such an incredible job
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with Apple Silicon that I could believe it,
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like it is definitely in the realm of possibility
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that the difference is that strong.
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- I'm speaking of if it's real.
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This is the final bit here.
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The neural engine, it's there.
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It is a 16 core neural engine,
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just like the previous one was.
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They say it does 38 trillion operations per second,
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and they did some comparison of like,
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look how much faster it is than the one in the A11 Bionic.
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Thanks, Apple, it's great.
01:23:49
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That's really old, 60 times faster, right?
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- How much faster is it than a 486?
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- Yeah, exactly.
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How much faster is it than our last Intel iPad?
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Oh, we didn't make those.
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Here's the thing, I tried to look this up.
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I'm like 38 trillion, that number seems big.
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I tried to look up the M3's neural engine score,
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and the number I found was 18 trillion operations per second,
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but then I also remember something
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about how Apple is changing what they're measuring,
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and previously they were doing like 16-bit floating point,
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or previously they were doing 32-bit
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floating point operations, and they changed it to 16-bit,
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and they can do twice as many of those
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because they pack, you know what I mean?
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I don't know if this is an apples to apples,
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so I can't tell you whether 38 trillion versus 18 trillion
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is a massively better neural engine in the M4,
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or whether Apple has changed what they're measuring,
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and they're doing 16-bit floating points that are 32-bit.
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So the jury's still out on that one,
01:24:39
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but that's another interesting thing of like,
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the media engines have mostly been similar.
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The neural engines have been getting faster.
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They've been adding more cores.
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They've been adding more die space,
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and they're getting better at what they do,
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but Apple didn't make any specific claims
01:24:53
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about amazing AI stuff because I feel like,
01:24:56
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as we'll get to in a little bit about the iPads in general,
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there's a software story to these iPads
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that Apple is not ready to tell until they'll be ready to see.
01:25:03
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So they said, "Oh, this is great.
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"Everything's great for AI.
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"The neural engine's great for AI.
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"We even put in neural engines or whatever,"
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but they don't have any features to show us
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because they haven't announced those yet,
01:25:12
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so it was a little bit of an awkward intro,
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but I would imagine that when they do announce
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all the AI features of their various software products,
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they may revisit how amazing the M4 is at them,
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but here they just said, "It's great.
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"It's got a neural engine."
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- Then some other interesting pieces.
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There is graphite sheets in the main housing
01:25:31
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and copper in the Apple logo for thermals,
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which apparently gives you 20% better thermal performance.
01:25:38
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- I like this, by the way, because on a cooling thing,
01:25:40
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for years, people have been complaining
01:25:43
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about essentially all of Apple's fanless devices,
01:25:46
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that they are stupidly not thermally conductive enough,
01:25:51
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and as we've discussed on past shows,
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there are limits to how thermally conductive
01:25:54
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you want it to be, and there are actual legal limits.
01:25:56
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You can't let the outside of your device get too hot
01:25:58
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'cause it will burn people, so sometimes,
01:26:00
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Apple is not conducting heat away from the SOC
01:26:04
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to the outer world because they don't want
01:26:05
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to burn your legs, essentially.
01:26:07
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There are legal safety reasons why they can't do that,
01:26:10
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but various YouTube channels
01:26:11
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are forever tearing open Apple's fanless devices,
01:26:14
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whether they be phones or iPads or MacBook Airs,
01:26:17
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putting in literally any kind of thermal anything,
01:26:21
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the world's cheapest two-cent thermal pad,
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slapping on a MacBook Air.
01:26:25
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Wow, it doesn't thermal throttle anymore, right?
01:26:28
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And we say, "Okay, well, is it because Apple can't do that
01:26:30
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"'cause it'll burn people's legs or whatever?"
01:26:33
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But all these rumors like,
01:26:34
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"The next iPhone's gonna have a heat pipe,
01:26:36
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"and it's gonna have this cooling thing or whatever."
01:26:39
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Finally, finally, Apple includes and brags about
01:26:42
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a thing they put in one of their flat fanless devices
01:26:45
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that helps it to be cooler,
01:26:46
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and graphite sheets, they use these in televisions as well
01:26:48
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to help cool them.
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So thumbs up, Apple.
01:26:51
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See, you can brag about cooling technology.
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It's not admitting your things are too hot.
01:26:54
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Put better cooling in there so it spreads the heat more
01:26:57
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so it doesn't get too hot.
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I am a graphite sheet fan, and I give that a big thumbs up.
01:27:05
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All right, cameras and my, oh, no, I'm sorry.
01:27:08
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I've got ahead of myself.
01:27:09
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It is apparently four times faster than the M2
01:27:12
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and 10 times faster than the original iPad Pro.
01:27:15
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March of progress, baby.
01:27:17
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Cameras and microphones, 12 megapixel back camera,
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same as previous model, but no ultra wide camera.
01:27:22
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That is gone.
01:27:23
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They have removed it.
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Four studio quality microphones.
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The LIDAR scanner remains.
01:27:29
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There's a new adaptive True Tone flash
01:27:31
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that apparently makes document scanning better than ever.
01:27:34
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When, I think it was Ternus said this, I was like,
01:27:37
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okay, and then I saw the little video demo that they did
01:27:41
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and I was like, okay.
01:27:42
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- Yeah. (laughing)
01:27:43
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- That actually sounds pretty great.
01:27:44
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- I, as soon as he said that, I was like, yes.
01:27:47
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Somebody actually scans, you know how much I,
01:27:50
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you would know, like, anytime I scan anything,
01:27:52
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I have to try to carefully arrange it
01:27:54
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to the shadow of my phone.
01:27:55
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- Yeah. - Yep.
01:27:56
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- And I was like, yes, they can solve this
01:27:58
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for me in software, and I think there's
01:27:59
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a hardware component to this.
01:28:00
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I don't, I haven't seen this confirmed yet,
01:28:01
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but if you look at the camera bump on the back
01:28:04
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of the new iPads, obviously they're missing
01:28:06
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the ultra wide camo, which is, oh well.
01:28:08
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But I think there's a new thing there,
01:28:11
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like the True Tone flash thing, I think there's like
01:28:14
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a ambient light sensor that lets them, helps them do that.
01:28:18
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I don't know, maybe that hardware was already there,
01:28:19
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but anyway, the result they showed in the demo was perfect.
01:28:22
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He takes a giant iPad, hovers it over a piece of paper,
01:28:25
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it casts a giant shadow on the bottom of the thing,
01:28:27
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and they fix it in software.
01:28:29
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Love it, I want that on every, I want that on the,
01:28:31
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on the new iPhones too.
01:28:32
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- Yep, as was foretold, the front facing camera
01:28:35
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is on the landscape edge, which is true for anything
01:28:38
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they announced today, unless I'm mistaken.
01:28:40
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And they have a quote, completely new charging
01:28:43
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and pairing system for the Apple Pencil,
01:28:45
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and we've kind of been bouncing off this all episode,
01:28:47
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but basically that's why you need the Apple Pencil Pro
01:28:52
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for all of these new devices, or the Apple Pencil
01:28:55
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that charges via USB-C, because the one that, you know,
01:28:59
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you and I have in our houses today, that one,
01:29:02
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the magnetic one, the magnets and whatnot,
01:29:05
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and the charging apparatus is in a different spot
01:29:07
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than it needs to be for the new iPads
01:29:10
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where the camera's kind of in the way, so.
01:29:13
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Other changes from previous iPad Pro,
01:29:16
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no millimeter wave 5G antenna.
01:29:18
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This is very sad news for me.
01:29:19
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I did go to my picnic table, don't call it a park bench,
01:29:23
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John, my picnic table just a week or two back,
01:29:26
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but it turns out that the tree cover was not conducive
01:29:28
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for the time of year, and very quickly it ended up
01:29:31
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that I was in full sunlight, which was not desirable.
01:29:34
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And so I didn't go for long, but I will,
01:29:38
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honestly, I'm skipping ahead here,
01:29:39
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but I don't plan on picking one of these iPads up
01:29:41
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because my, you know, my M2 iPad is just fine for me,
01:29:44
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but that is a bummer, like that's genuinely a bummer.
01:29:47
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I get why Apple has done it,
01:29:48
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because there's really not that much millimeter wave
01:29:51
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deployment here in the States,
01:29:52
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and I think it was only ever in the States to begin with,
01:29:55
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but it's kind of stinky.
01:29:57
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No ultra-wide camera, which we mentioned,
01:29:58
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four microphones instead of five, and eSIM only.
01:30:02
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So eSIM only for everyone.
01:30:03
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- It's an interesting decontending here,
01:30:05
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dropping the camera, like the camera,
01:30:07
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the one they did include is exactly the same as it was.
01:30:09
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So there's no camera improvement, and they ditched a camera,
01:30:11
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which probably, you know, it's the lesser use camera
01:30:13
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or whatever, but they got rid of that.
01:30:15
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They got rid of the five millimeter,
01:30:17
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the 5G millimeter wave.
01:30:18
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It makes me wonder if the next iPhone
01:30:20
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will have the millimeter wave, but anyway.
01:30:22
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They're removing some stuff here.
01:30:23
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Presumably this is to preserve margins
01:30:27
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with the more expensive new screen, right?
01:30:29
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Because remember we have those rumors,
01:30:30
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like the new iPads are gonna be thousands of dollars,
01:30:32
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and yes, you can spec this up to be like $3,700 or whatever,
01:30:35
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but because the screen was so expensive.
01:30:37
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So there is some decontending going on here,
01:30:39
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and I think they made pretty wise choices,
01:30:41
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like cutting out the ultra-wide camera on an iPad,
01:30:43
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probably not that big a deal,
01:30:45
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although it does hurt their demo
01:30:46
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that we're gonna talk about in a little bit
01:30:47
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of like controlling a multi-camera like device things.
01:30:51
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Well, you can't do multi-camera on the iPad anymore
01:30:53
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because it only has one camera, so no multi-camera.
01:30:56
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Ditching five microphones instead of four,
01:30:59
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that maybe that's just the arrangement of stuff
01:31:01
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inside the thing.
01:31:02
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Maybe they didn't need five, that's fine.
01:31:03
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E-sim only is the way everything is going.
01:31:06
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And then the final thing on the camera bump,
01:31:08
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it looks smaller than,
01:31:10
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unlike every other device Apple makes,
01:31:12
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the camera bump on the iPad I think got smaller this year,
01:31:15
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which is a welcome change.
01:31:17
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I mean, the whole thing is thin,
01:31:19
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and obviously Apple, when they compare the thickness,
01:31:22
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they're not comparing the camera bump.
01:31:23
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If they did that, it would not be the thickness.
01:31:25
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But the whole rest of the device is super thin,
01:31:27
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but the camera bump looks like it is thinner
01:31:29
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than the previous one, and it is certainly not growing
01:31:31
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like the camera bump on iPhones are.
01:31:33
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So I don't care about the camera on my iPad.
01:31:36
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I would have liked it if the one camera they did include
01:31:38
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got better, but it didn't, but oh well.
01:31:40
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But I do like a less prominent camera bump.
01:31:43
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- Do we know that for certainty,
01:31:45
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or is that just a theory based on the pictures?
01:31:47
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- I'm just looking at the pictures.
01:31:48
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I don't know for certain,
01:31:49
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but I'd be surprised if it's not smaller.
01:31:51
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- All right, so we've got some software updates.
01:31:53
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Final Cut Pro 2 and Logic Pro 2 are a thing now.
01:31:56
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Final Cut Pro 2 is two times faster final rendering
01:31:59
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than M1, and you've got live multi-cam,
01:32:02
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which you just made mention of,
01:32:04
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and there's actually its own bespoke app now
01:32:05
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called Final Cut Camera, or I believe,
01:32:07
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maybe that's on the iPhone side, I forget now.
01:32:09
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But basically, the way it works is you can connect
01:32:12
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and preview up to four cameras all at once
01:32:14
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in one spot on the new iPads.
01:32:17
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You can even adjust those remote cameras,
01:32:19
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exposure, focus, white balance, and more,
01:32:21
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which is really, really neat.
01:32:22
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And you can do, they mentioned direct editing of,
01:32:25
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this is separate from the multi-cam stuff.
01:32:27
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You can do direct editing if you have
01:32:29
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a Thunderbolt drive plugged in.
01:32:30
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You can edit the project that is stored
01:32:33
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on the Thunderbolt drive, so that's pretty neat.
01:32:35
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Logic Pro 2, they did a lot of stuff for music,
01:32:39
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and forgot that any other kind of audio exists,
01:32:42
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but that's what we expected.
01:32:44
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Session players, the bass and keyboard players,
01:32:47
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now they have AI or machine learning generated
01:32:51
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automated bass and keyboard players.
01:32:54
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They talked a while about Chroma Glow,
01:32:56
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which I guess is to fake the sound of the warmth
01:33:00
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and depth, if you will, but especially the warmth
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of fake analog equipment.
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And they also have stem splitters,
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so you can drop in a complete track
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that has everything in it, and then it will cut out,
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or separate, really, the bass, the drums, the voice,
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and then everything else into four different tracks,
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which that is super duper cool if it works.
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So yeah, a little bit of software.
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- I think this is a good way into AI here.
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The rumors were they were gonna lean heavily into AI.
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The headline in tech for the last year or two
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has been AI everything, and what you see,
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last year, what was interesting about last year's
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WWDC presentation is that even though the entire industry
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was saying AI every five seconds,
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Apple didn't mention that term once.
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You could tell that was a choice they made.
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It seemed like Apple's opinion of the term AI
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was not maybe that high back then,
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and now what we see is them leaning into it,
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because I think at this point they have to.
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The industry has gone that direction,
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the media, the markets, everything is wanting to know
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what's Apple's AI story.
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- And they didn't make up their own term for it,
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as people thought they might.
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Like, "Apple's not gonna call it AI,
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they're gonna call it something else."
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They said AI dozens of times in this presentation.
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They're just calling it AI.
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They're not making up their own thing.
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- And what's interesting, too, is what they describe
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as AI is many of the features that have already existed
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that were previously called machine learning,
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and before that were called Siri, briefly,
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in a weird time.
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But obviously we're gonna hear a lot more about this
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at WWDC, and so this is kind of a weird in-between time
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when they had a big product launch,
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they want to market it with the hot terms,
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and I think this isn't just them doing a term grab.
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Apple, I think legitimately, and again,
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this is, talk about figuring out Apple's talking points
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from the event, everyone who was at the event
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has a story about how Apple has been ahead of this game
01:35:02
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forever, and you can see it in the presentation, too.
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Apple wants everybody to know that they think
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we're already shipping AI-capable hardware.
01:35:11
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Look at our amazing neural engines,
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and our amazing processors, and our amazing GPUs,
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and all the amazing software features we've had for years.
01:35:19
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And they do deserve a large amount of credit for that.
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Apple really has been shipping really great hardware
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that has a lot of ML acceleration features.
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They've been doing this for a long time.
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What we didn't see, though, today,
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is use of large language model-based features,
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or generative-based features, that are really
01:35:45
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what people are mostly talking about today
01:35:48
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when they say AI.
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We saw Apple rebrand ML features they've had for years
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as AI features, and I don't think that's completely unfair,
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but it's also not what people are asking them to do.
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So I think two things are simultaneously true.
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I think it was totally warranted for them to co-opt the term
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to apply to stuff they're already been making,
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because first of all, that's what everyone does.
01:36:15
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That's marketing, that's what everybody does,
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and the term AI is being used all over the place anyway.
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But also true at the same time,
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they didn't really answer the question.
01:36:25
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But this wasn't the right time to answer the question.
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The right times to answer the question are WWDC
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and this fall's iPhone event.
01:36:34
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And between those two, I hope to have a better answer,
01:36:36
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because what people actually want when they say AI,
01:36:41
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I think largely is generative AI features
01:36:45
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and LLM-based features and how that can possibly integrate
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into better Siri and better phone assistant features
01:36:53
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built into your phone.
01:36:56
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That's what everyone really wants to hear from Apple.
01:36:59
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The iPad Pro event was not the place for that.
01:37:01
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So given what the event was and when it was
01:37:05
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and what Apple had to work with,
01:37:06
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I think they did a good job managing expectations
01:37:09
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around AI for now by basically kicking the can
01:37:12
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down the road while also, I think fairly,
01:37:16
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touting that they're already making really good chips
01:37:19
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capable of what people mean when they say AI already today.
01:37:24
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But I don't think the M4,
01:37:26
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I don't think we have enough information yet
01:37:28
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to know is this really meaningfully different?
01:37:32
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Is this like quote the AI-focused chip?
01:37:35
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No, this is continuing the path they were already on.
01:37:38
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But the path they were already on was pretty good.
01:37:40
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- And interestingly for the rebranding of it,
01:37:42
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they said AI tons and tons of times.
01:37:44
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I think they even called one of their
01:37:46
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three-year-old features like this uses AI
01:37:48
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even though it was just three years ago, right?
01:37:50
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Like that image dragging thing.
01:37:51
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But interestingly on the CPU cores,
01:37:54
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like the M4 CPU cores, I'm trying to find the text.
01:37:56
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They said the CPU cores have, what is it?
01:38:00
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Next generation, they used ML in the CPU cores.
01:38:05
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They didn't use AI.
01:38:07
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They said that the individual cores have next generation ML
01:38:10
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technology or something, yeah.
01:38:12
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Next generation ML accelerators.
01:38:13
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ML accelerators?
01:38:14
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What the hell is ML?
01:38:16
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Next generation AI accelerators.
01:38:18
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That's what your CPUs have.
01:38:19
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I don't know if the CPU,
01:38:20
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the Silicon team didn't get on board.
01:38:22
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Obviously, again, I don't know what they mean by that,
01:38:24
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but they made a point of it to saying these CPU cores
01:38:27
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are not the same as the M3 CPU cores.
01:38:28
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They have next generation ML accelerators.
01:38:31
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So yeah, maybe not everyone is on the same page
01:38:33
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with the AI branding,
01:38:34
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but they were so close to being able to call that AI.
01:38:38
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And by the way, on the Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro things,
01:38:41
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like it wasn't clear from the presentation
01:38:43
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'cause they were showing them on the iPad,
01:38:44
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but there are Mac versions of these same apps
01:38:48
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with the same features that I think
01:38:50
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were announced simultaneously,
01:38:51
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or Apple said are coming or whatever.
01:38:53
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So these are not like iPad only.
01:38:54
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If you don't want to use the iPad version of Final Cut
01:38:57
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or the iPad version of Logic,
01:38:58
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you want to use it on the Mac,
01:38:59
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you'll also get these features, I believe.
01:39:01
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- Oh, that's cool. All right.
01:39:02
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I don't know if the multi-cam thing is coming to the Mac,
01:39:06
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but otherwise I believe you're correct.
01:39:08
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So new Magic Keyboard.
01:39:11
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This was a series of ups and downs
01:39:13
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for your boy Casey over here,
01:39:14
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because it looks really great.
01:39:17
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I really want it for the function row
01:39:19
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because that's one thing,
01:39:20
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'cause I am a Magic Keyboard person on my iPad Pro,
01:39:22
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and I really like it,
01:39:23
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although I think I said last week,
01:39:25
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it's not aging terribly well, but be that as it may,
01:39:28
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I really wish it had a function row.
01:39:30
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I wish the track pad was a little bigger, yes,
01:39:32
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but I really wish it had a function row,
01:39:33
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and holy crap, an escape key.
01:39:35
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Oh my gosh, what I wouldn't give her an escape key.
01:39:38
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But unfortunately, the new Magic Keyboard officially anyway,
01:39:42
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and I suspect this is probably a physics problem,
01:39:45
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so it's not just an Apple gating it sort of thing,
01:39:49
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but anyways, officially it only works with the new iPad Pro.
01:39:52
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It does not work with any other iPad.
01:39:54
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- Yeah, that makes sense for two reasons.
01:39:56
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One, thickness.
01:39:58
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The new one is thinner,
01:39:59
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and this thing accommodates exactly the thickness of the,
01:40:04
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whether it's the 11 inch or 13 inch that fits between it.
01:40:06
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They could have added a little bit of slop in there.
01:40:08
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I think I've done this in the past.
01:40:09
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Like, oh, you can kind of wedge it or whatever,
01:40:10
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but the second thing that's less easy to deal with is
01:40:14
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the fact that the screen has all the weight in it,
01:40:17
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and that's why it has to be kind of cantilevered
01:40:19
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over the keyboard a little bit
01:40:20
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to keep it from tipping over when you tilt the screen,
01:40:23
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and the new ones weigh less
01:40:25
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and have their weight distributed differently,
01:40:27
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and the tilt is different.
01:40:29
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I think partially to try to leave room
01:40:31
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for the top row of function keys,
01:40:33
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'cause they added a new row of keys
01:40:34
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on top of the existing keyboard,
01:40:35
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and you do, from the reports of people who are there,
01:40:38
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you do kind of have to sometimes reach like under the iPad,
01:40:42
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depending on how you have it tilted
01:40:44
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to get to that function row, right?
01:40:45
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Because they, like, there's no, you can't get,
01:40:48
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there's no extra space to be had.
01:40:50
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So they tried to make it so it doesn't cantilever out as much
01:40:53
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because it's lighter, so you don't need to.
01:40:55
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It's hard to explain,
01:40:56
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but if you look at it from a side view
01:40:57
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and look at the one that you have casing inside of it,
01:40:59
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you can see the one that you have
01:41:00
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has to stick more of the weight of the iPad
01:41:03
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out over the front of the thing to make it all balanced.
01:41:06
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So I think this Magic Keyboard would not work
01:41:10
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for the thicker, heavier models,
01:41:12
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just like you said, just because of physics, right?
01:41:15
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So I don't begrudge Apple making this iPad Pro M4 only,
01:41:20
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'cause it's just, it wouldn't work.
01:41:22
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And I do think this one is better.
01:41:23
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I think they have made as much room as they can
01:41:26
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by making it not have to stick out as much over the keys
01:41:30
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and, you know, with the thinner iPads.
01:41:32
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- Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, this thing looks really good.
01:41:35
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So yeah, so you've got two colors, you got a function row.
01:41:37
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The palm rest is now aluminum,
01:41:40
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and again, you've got a larger track pad,
01:41:43
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and interestingly, it now uses haptic feedback.
01:41:45
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So it's not a, like, diving board scenario,
01:41:47
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as far as I can tell.
01:41:49
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It's got haptic feedback.
01:41:50
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Again, M4 iPad Pro only.
01:41:53
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Also, you get increased pass-through charging power.
01:41:56
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This was stated to MKBHD, it was the first place I saw it,
01:41:59
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and you can get up to 60 watts pass-through charging.
01:42:01
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I don't recall what the number was.
01:42:02
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I think it was 20-ish watts on the one that I have,
01:42:05
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but, you know, if you're really running low on your battery,
01:42:08
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you definitely wanna plug directly into the iPad on mine.
01:42:11
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Now it looks like it really doesn't matter.
01:42:14
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And then Gruber noted that, hey,
01:42:16
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the total weight of the 13-inch iPad Pro
01:42:19
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plus the magic keyboard is within a couple of grams
01:42:22
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or something like that of a 13-inch MacBook Air,
01:42:26
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you know, just as is.
01:42:27
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And so they really are effectively equivalent
01:42:30
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once you put the iPad Pro in a magic keyboard.
01:42:33
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- Well, one of them is a bunch of pieces
01:42:35
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that'll come apart and it's all floppy and everything.
01:42:36
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And interestingly, like, about the aluminum,
01:42:39
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the aluminum is on the side that faces you
01:42:41
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when you're using it, like it's the palm rest or whatever,
01:42:44
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but the whole outside of this magic keyboard,
01:42:47
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I'm led to believe, is continuing to be
01:42:49
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whatever that gummy, like, other material is,
01:42:52
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which is interesting because, I mean, I guess the part,
01:42:54
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like, you can tell me, Casey, the part that's wearing,
01:42:56
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is that the part that you touch
01:42:58
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or is that the part that touches the surface
01:43:00
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that the thing is sitting on?
01:43:01
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- No, it's more of the, like, corners in particular,
01:43:04
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the outside corners.
01:43:06
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So, like, I'm looking at it right now,
01:43:08
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the corner nearest the camera bump,
01:43:11
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the rubber on the outside or whatever this is,
01:43:14
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I mean, it's not rubber, but you know what I'm saying,
01:43:15
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like, that material is peeling away
01:43:18
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on the corner really, really badly.
01:43:20
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- So, the aluminum is not helping you with that?
01:43:22
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- No, it's not, yeah, you're exactly right.
01:43:25
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But, yeah, and the surface that you actually touch,
01:43:28
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I mean, mine isn't spic and span
01:43:30
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'cause I haven't, you know, cleaned it in a little while,
01:43:32
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but I wouldn't say it's wearing particularly badly.
01:43:35
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The left, actually, I guess the left-hand side,
01:43:37
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it feels, just tactically, it feels a little bit different
01:43:40
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than the right-hand side.
01:43:41
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I guess maybe 'cause my right hand is doing
01:43:44
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a lot more mousing than my left hand
01:43:45
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'cause I basically don't mouse with my left hand at all,
01:43:47
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so there's less contact on the right-hand side.
01:43:49
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I don't know, that's just a theory,
01:43:50
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but I don't think it's wearing poorly on the interior,
01:43:54
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although aluminum would certainly be welcome,
01:43:56
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but it's the exterior that's the problem,
01:43:57
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and to your point, it doesn't seem like
01:43:59
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that's gonna get any better with this one.
01:44:01
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- Yeah, some people have had problems
01:44:02
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with the keyboard and the membrane that's around it
01:44:04
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and all sorts of other things
01:44:05
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with the various gummy iPad accessories,
01:44:07
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so we'll see how this holds up.
01:44:09
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The trackpad is a pure win, though,
01:44:10
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like having a haptic trackpad
01:44:12
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instead of the little diving board thing is great,
01:44:14
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and I think having aluminum on the surface will be good,
01:44:16
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but when this thing is closed up,
01:44:18
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you're not gonna confuse it with a MacBook Air
01:44:20
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because it's all soft and gummy on the outside, like an iPad.
01:44:23
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- So tell me, one of you,
01:44:26
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because I'm not trying to be funny,
01:44:28
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and this is not just me playing dumb
01:44:30
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for the purpose of the show,
01:44:31
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so the Smart Folio, the one that has a keyboard,
01:44:36
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whatever that's called, that's gone.
01:44:38
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- The Smart Keyboard Folio.
01:44:40
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- Yeah, I think I just mean the Folio.
01:44:42
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Yeah, I'm talking about the one where you get an iPad
01:44:45
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and you just want a thing to cover it.
01:44:46
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No keyboards, no trackpads.
01:44:48
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That's just called Smart Folio,
01:44:50
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but what was the first style of iPad Pro keyboard
01:44:55
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that did not have a trackpad,
01:44:57
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that was called the Smart Keyboard Folio,
01:45:00
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and that's always been my preferred iPad keyboard,
01:45:03
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and even after the Magic Keyboard came out,
01:45:06
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I actually briefly bought one when it first came out
01:45:08
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and then returned it
01:45:08
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because I really didn't like it on the 11-inch
01:45:10
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because it added so much bulk to it,
01:45:13
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and I didn't even like the keys of it.
01:45:15
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I actually really like the Smart Keyboard Folio.
01:45:19
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It is, compared to the Magic Keyboard,
01:45:21
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it is way less bulky, so it's lighter.
01:45:25
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It's probably thinner, but it's definitely lighter.
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It is 2/3 the price.
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It's $200 instead of $300,
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both of which are ridiculous prices,
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but it's at least cheaper, less expensive,
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and it didn't have the cantilever design
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'cause it didn't need to shove the keyboard
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all the way back to make room for a trackpad,
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so if you only need a keyboard
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and you don't want a trackpad,
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it is, I think, the better product in many ways,
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and unfortunately, there is no Smart Keyboard Folio update
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for the new iPads, and it probably won't work even,
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you could maybe try to make it work,
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but it probably won't be very good
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because of the way it mounts.
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The iPad has to rest in these slots in it,
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and the new iPads are thinner,
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so they're not gonna really fit and mount properly
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in those slots, so.
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- Well, that'd be like, you could do something with magnets.
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I think maybe Logitech or somebody,
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some other third party might try their hand
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at replacing that product.
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- Oh, they might try, but people have had,
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I mean, how long has this keyboard style been the case?
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It's been since the 11-inch, that's 2018.
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So from 2018 to 2024, zero other companies
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have made an iPad keyboard that looks, feels, and works
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as good as that one.
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- Well, that's because the Apple had one,
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but now Apple doesn't have one, so there's no competition.
01:46:39
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- I guess, but I mean, honestly, this really disappoints me.
01:46:43
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I'm not surprised at all that they went this direction
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'cause it was very clear that the Magic Keyboard
01:46:48
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is where they wanted to go, but the Magic Keyboard
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is heavier and bulkier and more expensive
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and more mechanically complicated.
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I don't love that trade-off for my own purposes,
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but we'll get to my purposes in a little bit.
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So just pour one out for the Smart Keyboard Folio.
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- I think the Magic Keyboard, the new Magic Keyboard
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is actually lighter than the previous one.
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- It is, but it still has a lot more in there,
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and it is still heavier than the Smart Keyboard Folio.
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- Yeah, so the Smart Folio, the reason I put this in here
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is because I think in their copy
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and maybe in the presentation as well,
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they make note of more viewing angles for the,
01:47:22
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again, the Smart Folio is just like,
01:47:24
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it puts a cover on the front and back of your iPad Pro.
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That's it, there's no electronics or anything in there, right?
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And it folds up kind of like into a little triangular wedge
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that you can prop it up or whatever.
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I can't for life let me figure out
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what the more viewing angles are.
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It looks exactly the same as all Smart Folios for iPads.
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You can make the little triangle,
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you can prop it up this way,
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you can lay it flat, and that's what it does.
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So I don't know, we'll see.
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Oh, and by the way, one more thing on the Smart Folio.
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With the new iPad Pros getting so thin,
01:47:52
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especially the really big one,
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I feel like we're approaching the point
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where adding a Smart Folio, again,
01:47:57
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the cover that has nothing in it,
01:47:58
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no keyboard, no trackpad, no nothing,
01:48:00
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is coming close to doubling the thickness of your iPad now
01:48:03
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by adding that stupid cover.
01:48:06
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Not that I'm complaining, it's just a little bit absurd.
01:48:08
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- That is bananas.
01:48:09
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- I mean, I would argue that it substantially improves
01:48:12
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the utility of the iPad to have a keyboard.
01:48:14
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Even though I strongly regret the loss
01:48:19
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of the Smart Keyboard Folio line,
01:48:20
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if I'm going to make good use of an iPad at all,
01:48:24
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it needs to have a keyboard.
01:48:25
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It's simple as that.
01:48:25
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That is no longer an optional thing for me.
01:48:28
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When I briefly owned the iPad Mini,
01:48:31
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that was one of the biggest problems
01:48:33
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with me trying to use it for anything
01:48:34
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was that there were no good keyboard options for it.
01:48:37
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I need a keyboard and Apple makes the best keyboards
01:48:40
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for the iPads by a mile.
01:48:42
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It's just a shame my favorite one's gone now.
01:48:44
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But if I was gonna get one of these iPads,
01:48:46
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no question I would get it with the keyboard.
01:48:49
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- Yeah, and by the way, Logitech does have a new keyboard
01:48:51
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for this that, I mean, it's different than the Magic one,
01:48:56
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the cantilever one, 'cause it uses a kickstand,
01:48:59
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which is, you know, the Microsoft service stuff do that.
01:49:02
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If you can deal with the kickstand thing,
01:49:05
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you get an arrangement where the iPad
01:49:09
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doesn't block any of your function keys.
01:49:11
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You get a track pad, you get a pretty thin keyboard,
01:49:14
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but you have to deal with the kickstand,
01:49:15
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which might be a little bit awkward,
01:49:16
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but we'll try to put a link to that one in the show notes.
01:49:18
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- So there's a new Apple Pencil Pro.
01:49:21
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There is a new sensor, which allows you to squeeze it,
01:49:26
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to bring up a new tool palette,
01:49:28
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and then third-party developers can do something else with it
01:49:31
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if they so desire.
01:49:32
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There's a haptic engine for feedback,
01:49:34
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so you know when you've engaged, you know,
01:49:36
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a squeeze or what have you.
01:49:39
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And you know what you should do, John?
01:49:40
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You should do a barrel roll,
01:49:41
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because now there's a barrel roll gyroscope
01:49:45
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to allow you to roll the pencil,
01:49:47
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and that's very useful, for example,
01:49:49
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to change the orientation of a shaped pen or brush.
01:49:54
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So that's pretty neat.
01:49:55
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And it also supports Find My, which, holy smokes,
01:49:57
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I would really love that.
01:49:59
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It's only been a handful of times
01:50:00
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that my pencil has walked away,
01:50:02
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but then those times, it would have been convenient.
01:50:05
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►
And so Procreate CEO, James Cuda, whatever,
01:50:10
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came out and said that, among other things,
01:50:12
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►
developers can create their own custom interactions
01:50:15
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►
using this new Apple Pencil Pro
01:50:17
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►
and the new sensors and whatnot, which is really cool.
01:50:20
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And so you can use this with the iPad Air
01:50:24
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and the iPad Pro, right, the new ones, that is.
01:50:27
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- Yeah, that's gonna be Apple's some rare props
01:50:29
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for reasonable naming.
01:50:31
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This is called the Apple Pencil Pro.
01:50:33
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►
Instead of increasing the number,
01:50:34
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like Apple Pencil, Apple Pencil 2,
01:50:36
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then the Apple Pencil USB,
01:50:38
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calling this Pro makes so much sense
01:50:39
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'cause it's the expensive one.
01:50:41
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And the only thing, adjustment,
01:50:43
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you might have to make in your mind is,
01:50:45
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this is not the Apple Pencil
01:50:47
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►
that only works with the iPad Pro.
01:50:48
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It is the pencil itself that is Pro.
01:50:51
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It is the Apple Pencil Pro.
01:50:52
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And so this is a good name for what will be the slot
01:50:56
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►
for the expensive pencil.
01:50:58
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►
So again, the goal state in the future will be
01:51:00
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every iPad can work with a pencil,
01:51:02
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►
and you can pick the expensive one or the cheap one.
01:51:04
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►
And the expensive one is called Apple Pencil Pro,
01:51:06
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and that makes perfect sense.
01:51:07
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Of course, now we have to deal with Apple Pencil Pro,
01:51:09
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second generation Apple Pencil Pro, third generation, but.
01:51:12
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- Apple Pencil Pro with two USB-C ports.
01:51:14
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- Right, right.
01:51:15
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- Ah, yeah, we'll see.
01:51:16
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But anyway, kudos to Apple to not increasing the number
01:51:19
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by one and making it confusing as the Apple Pencil Pro.
01:51:22
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- So that's the iPad Pro.
01:51:24
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The keyboard is 300 or $350, depending on what size.
01:51:28
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The Pencil Pro is still $130,
01:51:30
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which I would have expected them to raise the price,
01:51:33
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►
and they didn't.
01:51:34
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And $130 for the pencil feels like a lot at first,
01:51:37
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but then actually, especially this one,
01:51:39
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I feel like there's a lot of tech in there,
01:51:40
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even more than there was before.
01:51:42
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So I'm not really that bothered by the pencil.
01:51:44
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Very bothered by the price of the keyboard.
01:51:45
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Not that bothered by the price of the pencil.
01:51:48
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You can already order the Pro.
01:51:49
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It is available sometime next week.
01:51:51
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And the pencil, MacRumors has discovered,
01:51:54
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►
has five different box designs, which are all very cute.
01:51:56
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►
And so I'll put a link to that in the show notes.
01:51:58
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And the original iPad has been dropped,
01:52:01
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or I shouldn't say original, excuse me,
01:52:02
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but the, what is it, iPad 10th Gen, is that right?
01:52:06
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►
That is now 350 bucks.
01:52:08
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►
So that's the same, you can get an entire keyboard,
01:52:10
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►
or you can get an entire iPad, take your pick.
01:52:12
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- And the 9th Gen is gone now, right?
01:52:14
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- Yeah, well, except for like education,
01:52:16
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►
discount channels, some of that.
01:52:17
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►
But what this means is like for, in most channels,
01:52:20
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►
the home button is gone, from the iPad.
01:52:23
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►
We still have the iPhone SE to deal with,
01:52:25
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►
but from the iPad, the home button is gone,
01:52:28
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►
and everything has, oh, not Face ID.
01:52:30
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►
But we'll get there, we'll get there.
01:52:33
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- So that's the event.
01:52:36
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For me, I think the iPad Pro looks great.
01:52:40
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It's expensive, 'cause it starts at 900,
01:52:42
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and we didn't actually talk about that, did we?
01:52:43
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It starts at $900 for the 11 inch,
01:52:47
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►
and it just goes up from there.
01:52:48
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- Is that like a $200 increase from where the Pro started?
01:52:50
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►
- I believe that's right.
01:52:52
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►
- Yeah, I mean, again, the more expensive screen,
01:52:54
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►
we've worried how much more expensive it would be.
01:52:56
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It's more expensive, they de-contented some to keep it,
01:52:59
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►
but it's still more expensive than it used to be.
01:53:01
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- And honestly, like for, for what they are giving you,
01:53:05
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you know, they're giving you a MacBook Air class processor.
01:53:09
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►
They're giving you MacBook Air levels of RAM.
01:53:12
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►
- Giving you a way better than MacBook Air screen.
01:53:13
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- Right, the screen is way better than any Mac screen.
01:53:17
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►
So what they're giving you, that is a reasonable price
01:53:20
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►
for what these specs actually are.
01:53:23
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►
So I actually have no problem with this price
01:53:25
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►
for the product that it is.
01:53:27
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- Until you start adding storage, obviously, right?
01:53:29
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- Yeah, and the accessories.
01:53:31
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I mean, 'cause the reality is, you know,
01:53:32
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the MacBook Air comes with the keyboard
01:53:33
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►
without charging an extra $300.
01:53:35
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But the thing is, once you actually add the accessories,
01:53:39
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the cellular, thank God, and other things,
01:53:41
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you end up in like, you know, the $1,500, $1,600 range,
01:53:46
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at least, if you need a lot of storage,
01:53:48
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you might be even higher than that.
01:53:49
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- Yeah, you can push up against four grand
01:53:51
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►
if you really deck this out.
01:53:52
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- Right, but I mean, almost no one's gonna be doing that.
01:53:55
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But I think a lot of people are gonna be
01:53:56
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in like the $1,200 to $2,000 range.
01:54:00
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And those are laptop prices, good laptop prices too.
01:54:04
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That isn't like, you know, some base level crappy PC thing.
01:54:07
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►
Those are good laptop prices.
01:54:09
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- That's either a MacBook Pro price,
01:54:11
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►
or it's a MacBook Air with decent storage.
01:54:13
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- Right, and so that brings up the big,
01:54:15
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uncomfortable question is like, well,
01:54:17
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how many people are, first of all,
01:54:20
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using an iPad in ways that can even use
01:54:24
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all of this hardware power?
01:54:25
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And then second of all, how many people can justify
01:54:29
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paying this much for an iPad?
01:54:31
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And that market exists for sure.
01:54:33
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Like Apple has shown over the years
01:54:35
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►
that the iPad Pro market is there.
01:54:39
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It does exist.
01:54:40
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People do use iPad Pros.
01:54:41
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My wife uses one.
01:54:42
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But they keep pushing it higher and higher
01:54:44
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in both price and in hardware specs.
01:54:48
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And what I'm not seeing is a lot of software
01:54:53
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that can push those, you know, those needs.
01:54:55
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Like I'm not seeing a lot of actual use
01:54:59
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in the real world of people who are like
01:55:01
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really burning up that processor
01:55:03
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and really using all that RAM using iPad OS.
01:55:06
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I've said many times before, like,
01:55:08
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I think it's unwise for tech people
01:55:11
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►
to condescend to other people by saying like,
01:55:14
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you don't need this benefit, this resource.
01:55:17
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Like you won't use this, you know.
01:55:19
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And it is something that tech people do a lot,
01:55:23
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kind of down talking that the less technical people
01:55:26
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►
that they know of in their lives are like,
01:55:27
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oh you don't deserve to use high end hardware.
01:55:30
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I deserve to, you don't.
01:55:32
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So I'm trying to avoid that.
01:55:33
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►
But it does seem like the iPad Pro continues on the path
01:55:37
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it's been on for a long time.
01:55:40
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Amazing hardware.
01:55:41
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Ridiculously high end capabilities for a tablet
01:55:45
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►
and for honestly for almost any computer.
01:55:48
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But there is still just the huge question mark
01:55:51
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of what are people who actually buy iPads
01:55:55
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and who are using iPad OS actually doing with this thing
01:56:00
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that will take advantage of any of that power.
01:56:02
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And I'm not saying that there is no market that will use it.
01:56:06
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But I think the market is really small.
01:56:10
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- Yeah, so obviously as we said before,
01:56:11
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the software side of this,
01:56:13
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it's just obviously the biggest problem, that's WWDC.
01:56:16
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We will have ample time to complain about it then.
01:56:19
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- We're not gonna, we had no expectation
01:56:22
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that in this iPad event that they would roll out
01:56:24
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the new version of iPad OS early
01:56:26
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and show us all the things they've done or whatever.
01:56:27
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But like this, there is a software side of this.
01:56:29
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And a lot of people see this
01:56:31
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and they see the amazing hardware
01:56:32
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and setting aside like how big the market,
01:56:34
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people almost get kind of resentful.
01:56:36
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They're like, oh the last thing the iPad needed
01:56:37
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►
was better hardware.
01:56:38
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Or like they map things onto Apple and they think,
01:56:41
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Apple thinks the problem with the iPad is hardware.
01:56:43
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No, Apple doesn't think that.
01:56:44
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Apple, for whatever problems the iPad has
01:56:48
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that Apple acknowledges or knows about or whatever,
01:56:50
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they're just doing what they're supposed to do
01:56:51
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which is make the hardware better.
01:56:53
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There is a software side of this
01:56:54
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where we all agree they're dropping the ball, right?
01:56:56
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But just because they make the hardware better
01:56:58
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doesn't mean they think that's the problem.
01:57:00
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They don't think that,
01:57:01
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they're just making the hardware better.
01:57:02
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That's what computer makers do.
01:57:03
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So kudos for Apple for making the hardware better.
01:57:05
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And we're setting aside the software conversation
01:57:06
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until WWDC, right?
01:57:08
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But I do wanna say, when we're talking about the hardware,
01:57:10
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there is one thing about this, the hardware,
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that is essentially not allowing users of this product
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to take advantage of the power.
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And then no one ever talks about it.
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They all talk about how the software
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stopped people from taking advantage and that is a thing.
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But the hardware at this point,
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especially now that they skipped a generation
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to give them the only product they have with an M4, right?
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The iPad probably needs more ports.
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That's a hardware limitation.
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Now you can use external drives with Final Cut Pro.
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You can have Thunderbolt or whatever.
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It's the MacBook One with a friggin' M4 in it, right?
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What if I wanna power my thing
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but also connect with Thunderbolt drive
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but also connect to USB?
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Sorry, you can't do that.
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Does it mean 50 ports?
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No, but it needs more than one.
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I don't know what the solution to this is.
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I don't know where you put the port or whatever.
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I'm just saying this is the rare hardware feature
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that is letting down the power of this device.
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The power of this device is constrained more every year
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by the fact that it has a single port.
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That single port has gotten better.
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Great, it's Thunderbolt.
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We love it, it's good.
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You need more than one.
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Like, think of it if the MacBook One,
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the 12-inch MacBook had one port
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and it was Apple's fastest Thunderbolt port.
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No, it had one port and it was cheap.
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It was a cheap model.
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It was like USB.
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This has fast port for using your video,
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8K video streaming to the thing, blah, blah, blah,
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but there's just one of them.
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That is one area where the hardware
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is letting this thing down, which is kind of a shame.
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And as for the software stuff,
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like setting aside all the issues with multitasking
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and whatever we'll talk about at WWDC,
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Steve Trout and Smith were recently complaining
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on Mastodon about sort of like a software model thing
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that's a problem.
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- Oh, Final Cut Pro and the iPad, it's amazing.
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You got all this power.
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Here Marco, here's an application that takes advantage.
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The Final Cut Pro on the iPad can burn everything
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that the M4 has to offer.
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It'll use it if you use the iPad
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as your video editor with Final Cut Pro,
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that's what you need this hardware for.
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And he says, well, if you do that
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and you start like a long running operation of Final Cut
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and then you switch to like Springboard
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or go back to the home screen,
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your Final Cut Pro job gets canceled.
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- Because like, oh, now you've swapped something out.
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And it doesn't get canceled because 16 gigs of RAM
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and an M4 aren't enough to run a Final Cut Pro job
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in the background.
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Just get a MacBook that has those same specs someday.
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You can run Final Cut Pro in the background.
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It doesn't cancel itself when you switch apps.
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But the software model, the application model,
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the environment on iOS, like setting aside like multitasking
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and file system access or whatever,
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just like the overall like, how does iPad OS work?
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It works in a way that is fundamentally unfriendly
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to pro apps, fundamentally unfriendly
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to letting people take advantage of the power of the things
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to at the level of like, well, yeah, on iPad OS,
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if something else wants resources
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and you're not the front most application,
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we just kill you, take the resources away from you,
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cancel your job.
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And that is not a pro environment.
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So setting aside all the other software things
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that we will surely talk about,
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there are fundamental issues,
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fundamental essentially invisible non-UI related issues
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to how iPad OS works that are at odds
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with the hardware that Apple is shipping.
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- It's just the bigger story.
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Like we're seeing this from a lot of people today.
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Like if you were already able to do significant tasks
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on an iPad, like if you were already using
02:00:25
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an iPad Pro substantially,
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then this is a great upgrade for you.
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Like this is an awesome product for you.
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If you were not already doing that,
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you probably still can't.
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Look, I would love to buy this thing.
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I would love it because it's so cool and so new
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and so shiny and so thin and light when you pick it up
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and it has the awesome new screen.
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I would love a justification to buy this thing.
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But I'm not one of those people.
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There are times in my life where I have used an iPad
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more or less, I've gone in and out of it.
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Recently I've been pretty far out of it.
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Like I haven't actually used an iPad in I think
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about six months.
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But there are certain things like if I went to WWDC
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this year, I would definitely plug in,
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for dig out, plug in my iPad, run all the updates
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and bring my awesome smart keyboard folio
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because it is the best device to bring into like
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a small place to take notes on in your lap
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with that keyboard, with cellular.
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Like it's great for that.
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But I have found that in most of my life,
02:01:30
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the iPad is not for me.
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And when I look around the tech business,
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the tech business is really big.
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And we've obviously never been able to cover all of it.
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We don't even cover a small amount of it.
02:01:42
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The tech business is huge.
02:01:44
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We cover the parts of it that we are closest to
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mostly around the products and services we use ourselves.
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Apple has grown so big recently.
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One person used to be able to cover Apple
02:01:58
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and Apple products fairly well.
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I think Apple's big enough now that that's actually
02:02:03
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not really reasonably possible anymore
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to really have any depth to all their stuff in one person.
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It's a big company.
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They make a bunch of different product lines.
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And I think it's okay for us to specialize
02:02:15
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and say you know what, this product and this product
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I'm gonna use like crazy.
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This one and this one, I don't really have a need
02:02:22
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for that in my life or it doesn't fit my needs
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well enough.
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And for me I realized over time that I wish
02:02:28
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I was the kind of person who could use an iPad more.
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The same way as we talked about recently,
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I wish I was a notebook person.
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Like I wish I used fancy pens and cool paper notebooks.
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I wish I was that person, I'm just not.
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For me I'm finally realizing the iPad is that for me.
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And so I think it's worth accepting that about oneself.
02:02:49
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Even though many of us are gadget hounds,
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we would love a reason to buy this thing.
02:02:53
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It's so cool, it's so new, the cool pencil.
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And I would use it for like three days
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and then I would never use it again.
02:03:00
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And so I'm giving this a pass but the great thing
02:03:03
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about having this breadth of products is that
02:03:06
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there's other products that I love and use constantly.
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I love the Mac, I love the phone.
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Like I've even started to really enjoy the watch
02:03:15
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in recent years and I love certain ones.
02:03:18
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This one's not for me but for everyone out there
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who's like I gotta have my MacBook Air,
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there's also people out there who are like
02:03:25
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I gotta have the iPad Pro.
02:03:27
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Now I don't think there's as many of them by a mile
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but those people out there.
02:03:31
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And so if you're one of those people,
02:03:32
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this is a great update.
02:03:34
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I'm personally just giving it a pass though
02:03:37
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because for me I would be running
02:03:40
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to the nearest Apple store if even half of this stuff
02:03:42
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came to a MacBook Air.
02:03:44
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But unfortunately that's probably not in the cards.
02:03:47
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But that's ultimately, what I want is to continue
02:03:50
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getting really awesome Mac laptops for these needs.
02:03:54
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But if you're an iPad person, this is awesome
02:03:57
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and go for it.
02:03:59
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- Yeah you know the iPad for me,
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fits an odd space in my life because I desperately want it
02:04:05
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to be more for me than it is but I do enjoy using it
02:04:08
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for what I use it for.
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It's a very, very good couch computer.
02:04:13
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It's a great passenger princess computer
02:04:16
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if Erin's driving somewhere and I just want
02:04:19
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to goof off in the car because what is it having it Marco?
02:04:21
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You've mentioned this already.
02:04:25
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So it's a great kind of toting around computer.
02:04:29
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And actually as you said, if you wanna take notes
02:04:32
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or something like that, I don't even necessarily mean
02:04:34
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with a pencil, if you just wanna have a small computer
02:04:36
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that's on your person that you can use here and there
02:04:39
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like at a conference or whatever,
02:04:41
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it's great for that as well.
02:04:42
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I really, I enjoy my iPad enough that I don't think
02:04:47
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I would want to live a life without it.
02:04:50
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Although between just the three of us,
02:04:52
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I've had some really bad thoughts about getting
02:04:54
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a bumming around laptop which I'm really uncomfortable with
02:04:58
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but we can explore that another time.
02:05:00
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- Are you saying that maybe having a desktop laptop
02:05:02
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and a laptop laptop is a good idea?
02:05:04
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- We're not gonna go there, we're not gonna go there.
02:05:05
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- What a surprise, oh my God.
02:05:08
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- I'm having very impure thoughts, all right.
02:05:09
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So anyway, so with regard to the iPad though--
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- Get the MacBook Air, it's so frickin' good.
02:05:13
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I'm telling you, look, I shouldn't be turning
02:05:15
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the iPad celebration episode into a MacBook Air sales pitch
02:05:18
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but I'm telling you, for the price of this iPad Pro,
02:05:21
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you can get a MacBook Air and for your purposes, Casey,
02:05:26
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definitely for mine, definitely for yours,
02:05:28
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that's the better computer for a lot of what you want.
02:05:32
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- No, it really is and honestly, all kidding aside,
02:05:35
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and I'm really not trying to make a whole topic out of this
02:05:37
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but if I could have a MacBook Air with cellular,
02:05:40
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I probably would already have one
02:05:42
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because it genuinely is that important to me
02:05:44
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and if you don't agree, the two of you
02:05:46
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and you, the broader listener, that's totally cool
02:05:49
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but cellular is that important to me
02:05:51
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and for the bummin' around, on the go kinda computer
02:05:56
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and if the MacBook Air had cellular,
02:06:00
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I would probably already have one
02:06:02
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but that's neither here nor there, let's move on.
02:06:04
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I don't wanna get one of these
02:06:06
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'cause I just got this iPad, what,
02:06:08
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like a year, year and a half ago, something like that
02:06:10
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and it's serving me perfectly fine.
02:06:12
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It's an M2 iPad Pro and even though the keyboard
02:06:14
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is wearing in a way that I don't love, it still works
02:06:17
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and so for now, I'm sticking with it.
02:06:20
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I don't have any needs in the house
02:06:21
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to like pass down my iPad or any other iPad
02:06:24
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so I'm not in for this one but I cannot state strongly enough
02:06:29
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how impressed I am by this hardware.
02:06:33
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I mean, not having seen it in person yet,
02:06:36
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just by looking at the specs and seeing the reviews
02:06:38
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and seeing the introductory video,
02:06:40
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it's incredible, incredible hardware
02:06:42
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and I don't wanna derail us on another
02:06:43
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why is iPad OS the way it is discussion
02:06:46
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but I just wish for more for my iPad OS for my needs,
02:06:51
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maybe not for your needs but for my needs
02:06:53
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and I just can't get that yet
02:06:54
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and so for all of those reasons, I'm not in for this one
02:06:58
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but Jon, I am hearing that you are probably gonna be in
02:07:03
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for this one, huh?
02:07:04
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- Yep, so my iPad, I probably watched like half
02:07:07
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of my television movies on my iPad
02:07:09
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and it's all about the screen and I am a TV snob
02:07:13
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and I love OLED and I was absolutely 100% gonna get this one
02:07:16
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so I ordered one.
02:07:17
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- What did you buy?
02:07:20
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- It pained me a little bit to 11 inch,
02:07:23
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it pained me a little bit to see the SOC things.
02:07:26
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It doesn't matter for TV watching obviously
02:07:28
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but it's like, I kinda like to get the silicone
02:07:30
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with all the parts working
02:07:32
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but there's no way I was gonna pay for it.
02:07:35
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It's just, it was hundreds of more dollars
02:07:37
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that would be pointless for me.
02:07:38
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I don't need that to watch TV and movies.
02:07:40
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I don't need any of that thing.
02:07:42
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I just need like the H.264 decoder, right?
02:07:44
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It's all I need, right?
02:07:45
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So I got the 11 inch.
02:07:47
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When I was picking the storage size,
02:07:48
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I have an M1 iPad Pro right now
02:07:51
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so I'm replacing the M1 with the M4
02:07:52
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and again, the only reason I'm replacing it
02:07:54
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is because of that screen, that's it.
02:07:56
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I don't care about anything else, right?
02:07:58
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And so when I picked storage, I looked at my M1
02:08:01
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and said, how much storage are this amount using?
02:08:02
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And I have a 256 I think
02:08:05
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and I'm using like a little bit more than half
02:08:07
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so I'm like, oh, I can just get a 256 again.
02:08:09
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But I thought about it a little bit and I said,
02:08:11
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if the screen is as good as I think it is,
02:08:16
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I'm going to be much more likely
02:08:18
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to take some of my big honking Blu-ray rips
02:08:20
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and put them on my iPad, like not,
02:08:23
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put them like copy them to my iPad
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so I can watch them with like infuse or whatever.
02:08:28
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So I got the 512.
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That doesn't give me anything.
02:08:30
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The SOC still has one performance core disabled.
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Like that storage size upgrade,
02:08:35
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I guess I didn't know this at the time
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but I guess it gives me the faster storage instead of,
02:08:39
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but I don't need the faster storage either.
02:08:40
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It's like, it's all pointless, right?
02:08:41
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But I got it for the storage space,
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anticipating that I may want to put more actual video files,
02:08:48
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big video files on the iPad,
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which I haven't done with my current model
02:08:54
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because I think I'm going to like the screen so much.
02:08:56
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So that's what I did.
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I got an 11 inch, 512, space black.
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I got the folio case that's just, you know,
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no keyboard, no track pad, no nothing.
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It's just a gummy little case.
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It will even out the camera bump.
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And I actually use that case to prop my iPad up
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when I watch it in bed.
02:09:12
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Like that's what I actually use it for.
02:09:13
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So it is an important accessory for me.
02:09:16
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I did, I was like, oh, you know,
02:09:18
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I should try to buy this through my son's college
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to get that educational discount.
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And there is an educational discount and it's okay.
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But for whatever reason, the educational discount,
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I don't know if this is also discounted or whatever.
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And I Googled for it a little bit,
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but the educational discount,
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if you buy AppleCare Plus,
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they make you get the one where you pay
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for two years upfront and that's it.
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You can't get the monthly one, literally can't,
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at least in my son's college store.
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And I wanted the month by month one,
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because the month by month one,
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it goes until you stop paying.
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It doesn't stop after two years.
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And I plan to use this iPad for way more than two years,
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if I possibly can.
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Again, the only reason I'm ditching my old one
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is because of the screen.
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And if the screen is good,
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screen's never gonna get any worse
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other than getting a little bit dimmer,
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but it doesn't matter because I watch in the dark anyway.
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I'm in for the long haul.
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And if I drop it and break it, I want to get it replaced.
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So I got the monthly AppleCare,
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paid full price for everything,
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get any kind of discount.
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The monthly AppleCare,
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I set aside the educational discount
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and left probably hundreds of dollars on the table,
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just so I can get the month to month AppleCare Plus,
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'cause I couldn't figure out or be bothered to figure out
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how to somehow do that through the school or whatever.
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- Well, why didn't you,
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you could have bought it without any sort of AppleCare,
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and then in the settings app,
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you can actually enroll in AppleCare in there.
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- Yeah, when I was Googling for it,
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there were some people who were buying through EDU
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or have some difficulties with that,
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for like getting the-- - Oh, interesting.
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- There was enough things about like,
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"Oh, it turns out you couldn't buy it after the fact
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"if you bought it through EDU or some crap."
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And I was like, "I just don't want to deal with that."
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- No, that's fair.
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- It wasn't that big a difference,
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probably a couple hundred dollars or whatever,
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but I'll survive.
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So that's what I got.
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And I'm looking forward to it.
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Again, I use it like literally every single day.
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And I'm just using it as a glorified TV,
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but not just as a glorified,
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I'm gonna say that like, "Oh, you just use it
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"as a glorified TV."
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I've said this before,
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I do the multi-screen experience on a single screen.
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When I watch TV, I'm sniping in slide-over things
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of like ivory.
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And I'm sometimes doing it like picture-in-picture
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and using that newswire while the thing I'm watching
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is in floating like picture-in-picture in the corner.
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So I'm using my iPad, yes, as a TV,
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but as a TV where on the same TV with my fingers,
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I can dork around other things if it's something
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that I don't have to pay too much attention to.
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So I'm looking forward to it.
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Hopefully I can get the brightness under control
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so my wife doesn't kill me for watching things in HDR.
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People tell me that I should have got
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a $3,500 Vision Pro or whatever, but yeah,
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that's what I got.
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My Folio has already shipped, I believe,
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and I should have the iPad.
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Oh, and I also got the Pencil Pro.
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Not because I use the Pencil a lot, because I don't,
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but I do have the Apple Pencil 2 with my M1 iPad Pro,
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and I do like it for the few times that I've used it.
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- Yeah, I feel the same way.
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- I mostly got the Pencil, so I can talk about it
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on the show, 'cause I don't really need a Pencil.
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And also because when I hand this down,
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I'll probably hand it down to my son
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who does do digital art stuff with the Pencil,
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and I want him to have a Pencil that goes with it.
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So there you go.
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- That's exciting, Jon.
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And so it arrived, do you know when it arrives?
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Are you sure?
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- I think that, like, is it May 15th or something?
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Whatever day one is, like, for the arrival
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of the new iPad Pro.
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- Outside of my neighborhood,
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there was a house that was sitting vacant
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for literally five or 10 years directly across the street
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from the exit I used to get, you know,
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in and out of our neighborhood every day.
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Before it sat vacant, there was actually a Z32, a 300ZX,
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that parked there for a while,
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like I used to have many years ago,
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and it always made me so happy to see it.
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Then it sat vacant for forever,
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and then all of a sudden,
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somebody moved into it or whatever.
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It's no longer vacant,
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and there are like two or three wranglers
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that park there all the time.
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And that just kind of makes me smile a little bit.
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I still think that the wrangler
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was probably not the right choice for me,
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and I'm glad that you two numb nuts
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were apart in talking me out of it,
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but that house is now dead to me,
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because in the last few days,
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would you like to guess what is now parking
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in the driveway of the house that I see
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every time I leave my neighborhood?
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- Is it a Cybertruck?
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- A yellow Rivian?
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- Oh, God, I would much prefer to see a yellow Rivian.
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- A yellow Cybertruck?
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- Yeah, well, it's gonna be yellow when I pee on it.
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No, not really, but it is a Cybertruck.
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And-- - Oh, no.
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- It is, I'm trying to be gentle.
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It is not for me.
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- You know what?
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- I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
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It looks ridiculous.
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It screams I am very not confident in myself,
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and I am compensating for my lack of confidence.
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- No, does it scream that any more
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than the typical pickup truck
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that's like a bazillion feet high?
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I don't think it does.
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- Honestly, I would much rather see a Cybertruck
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than one of those giant new regular Ford trucks
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that is just like the giant block.
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So the Cybertruck, okay, look,
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let's disclaim a couple things up front.
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Elon Musk is a turd and a horrible person, okay?
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I'm not gonna defend him at all.
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I don't like him at all.
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I sold my Tesla in part
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because of how much I don't like him.
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So this is not about him in particular.
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I think the Cybertruck is ugly,
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but I'm glad they tried something.
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I'm glad they actually made something
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that was noticeably different and an opinionated design.
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Now, that opinion was bad,
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but at least it's an opinionated design.
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- That's fair.
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- Well, I'm gonna say it's bad,
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but that's what everyone says about the Cybertruck.
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They're glad that someone tried something new,
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but when someone tries something new
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and it really is bad, nobody congratulates them.
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Nobody congratulated Pontiac on the Aztec.
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No one said, "Well, I don't like how the Pontiac Aztec looks,
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"but I'm glad Pontiac tried something."
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Nobody said that.
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Nobody was glad they tried.
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- But the Aztec was not, it was not like a strong opinion.
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The Aztec was like a mishmash of like design by committee.
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- Oh no, it was a strong opinion.
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It was just a bad opinion.
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The thing about the Cybertruck is
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some people like how it looks,
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which is not true of the Aztec.
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Well, obviously some people like the Aztec,
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but there's a large number of people
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who think the Cybertruck looks cool.
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So although it may not be to your particular taste,
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I think it is more successful
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than many other ugly cars that have come out.
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So when people say, "I'm glad they tried something new,"
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what they're really saying is,
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"I'm glad they tried something new
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"that enough people actually like,
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"even if it's not for me."
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- There are so many boring, bland car designs out there.
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There's a thousand car models for you to pick from
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if you want a really average looking,
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quote, normal looking car.
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- I did see a Cybertruck on the road for the first time
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about a week or two ago.
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- Yeah, me too.
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I saw my first one like two days ago.
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- Yeah, same.
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- I wasn't as shocked to see it as I thought I would be,
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'cause everyone, when you see everyone reacting online,
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they're like, "Oh my god, it's so weird."
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It wasn't that weird to see,
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'cause I've already seen it online, I guess.
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It was fine.
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I commend any risk-taking in visual car design these days,
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because it is so rare.
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And Jon's right, the Cybertruck is for some people.
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It's not for me, but it's for some people.
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Like the iPad Pro, it's coming around.
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Oh, the iPad Pro is probably
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a much better all-around product.
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- Yeah, and the Cybertruck,
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enough people like how it looks.
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I don't know if it's 50% or whatever,
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but it's not like the percentage of people
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like the Pontiac Aztec.
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It is a pretty big number.
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There is a large contingent of people
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who think the Cybertruck looks really good.
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- And I think it succeeds at its goal.
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The goal of the Cybertruck was to be a really bold design.
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- It's a statement car.
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- Yeah, and it is that.
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Setting aside thoughts on its founder,
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and setting aside the various flaws it's had so far,
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like the terrible gas pedal thing.
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There's a lot of flaws in it,
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and I'm not taking the safety flaws lightly either,
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'cause that's a huge, obviously like the huge problem.
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But as a visual design of a vehicle,
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it succeeds in taking a bold statement
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and doing something crazy.
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Recently, my dog walk route,
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one of the houses on it added a Hummer EV,
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and it's the first time I'm seeing a Hummer EV in person.
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And the Hummer EV, it is kind of a striking looking,
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but it's striking because it just looks
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a little bit wrong in its proportions.
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It looks like you're watching a movie
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in the wrong aspect ratio.
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It looks like it's being stretched wide,
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but it looks like just a regular, modern SUV,
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just widened.
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It doesn't look like a bold choice in design.
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It looks like a boring car, wider.
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- Well, that widening thing is the Hummer thing.
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- Yeah, that is Hummer's thing.
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- But Hummers always look more like,
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a little more of the military, like kind of
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utilitarian style.
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- But they look wider than you think they're gonna be.
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- Yes, but this doesn't look like a Hummer.
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This looks like every other boring SUV
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stretched out a little bit wider,
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like weirdly wide.
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But it doesn't look like cool or good.
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- Yeah, they didn't capture the distinctiveness
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of the actual original Hummer in the new one.
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Whereas the Cybertruck is very distinctive.
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It has this very divisive design.
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It is a bold choice.
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No one can look at the Cybertruck and say,
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that was designed by committee.
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That's so bland.
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Whereas the Hummer EV, I think,
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when I saw one in person here,
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I think it looks really bland.
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Big and weird and wide, but just bland.
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It looks like designed by committee.
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Whereas no one would ever accuse a Cybertruck of that.
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- Yeah, the Cybertruck is kind of the perfect
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pickup truck for America,
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because pickup trucks have long since
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not been judged by their utility.
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And the Cybertruck is perhaps the least utility
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of any pickup truck ever made.
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'Cause so many parts of it are sacrificed
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on the alter of that look.
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And it's like, oh, you're sacrificing practicality.
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It's like no one buys, well, not no one.
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So few people in this country buy pickup trucks
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for their utility.
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They buy them for all sorts of other reasons.
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And the fact that they've been slowly shrinking the beds
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and making them harder to maneuver and bigger for no reason
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other than to make people feel better.
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That's what the pickup truck is in this country
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for most people who buy them.
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They're the best selling vehicle.
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And so this is like, oh, a pickup truck
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where you don't care about how useful it is,
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and everything about it is super weird and annoying,
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but you just want it to look cool, let's do that to 11.
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And they did, it's got sharp angles everywhere.
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The bed is actually bigger than it is
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on a lot of the other big pickup trucks, but like it's,
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it's, you know, and they did do some smart things
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by trying to make this big truck easier to maneuver
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than other ones, but like, it's just, yeah.
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I don't, it's a, it's probably not a great choice
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for the company in terms of how many of these
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they're going to sell, 'cause it's $100,000 pickup truck.
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And yeah, they sell a lot of pickup trucks,
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so they don't sell a lot of $100,000 pickup trucks.
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It doesn't have a lot of utility.
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Half the people or whatever the percentages think
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it is hideously ugly and the other half loves it.
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But it's, but it's iconic and we'll remember it in history
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the same way we remember the Subaru Brat.
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- No, no, we will not.
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- And the El Camino, I guess.
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- Don't you even, you bite your tongue, sir.
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Both of those are way better looking
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and way better cars than this is.
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- They were iconic.
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People said, "This doesn't look like the usual car
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"that I'm used to seeing.
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"I don't even know what it is I'm looking at."
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And we remembered them to this day.
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- Look at the original MacBook Air.
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That was a terrible, believe me, I owned one.
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It was a terrible computer, but it was iconic
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and some people loved the design of it.
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It doesn't need to necessarily be a great car
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in the stats and the on paper ways
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to be an iconic success story in that way.
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- Yeah, it's more like the Lamborghini Countach,
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which is totally impractical, very difficult car
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to live with, but everyone knows
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what it looks like, don't they?
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- Yeah, and I think if the Cybertruck was made
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by somebody who wasn't a total turd,
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you would not hear nearly as much negativity about it.
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- Oh, well, until people start slicing people in half
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with those stainless steel panels and everything.
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'Cause there are--
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- Yeah, that's part of what I'm saying,
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like there are safety concerns with its design.
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- Well, we don't know, there are unknowns.
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There are unknowns, setting aside like all the defects
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in the pedal, like things they didn't mean to do on purpose.
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They meant to on purpose make it out of stainless steel
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and it is yet to be seen and they meant to on purpose
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put those sharp corners in it and I'm not sure
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if there'll be any fallout from that,
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but that is a direct consequence
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of the look they've chosen.
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That look has ramifications in the real world
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for possibly for safety, but certainly for things
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like practicality and that ridiculous windshield wiper
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and all sorts of other crap.
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- I did not have on my bingo card for today
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that I would be the only person that does not like
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the Cybertruck and you two would be defending it.
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- I mean, I don't like how it looks either,
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but I think Marco and I appreciate, like I said,
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appreciate someone trying something new
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and succeeding enough that some people really love it.
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- And not letting concerns like regulation
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and safety water down the design.
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- Well, let's not applaud that too much.
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Not worrying about the accelerator pedal
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staying attached to the pedal,
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'cause that's not that important.
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- And then you just put a rivet in it and call it a day.
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- There are legitimate safety concerns,
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but as a designed object, I honestly,
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when I saw it in person, I did not hate it as much
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as I thought I would.
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- Oh, I hate it so badly.
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- Speaking of design choices, did you hear about this one?
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You probably haven't if you're not super into,
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so when you saw the Cybertruck
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when it was announced and everything,
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there was like these wheel covers,
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like the aerodynamic wheel covers
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that sort of essentially cover over the wheel
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to make it, you know, but they're removable, right?
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It was very often those wheel covers are removable
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because people think the wheels look better
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without the aero covers on them.
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But the Cybertruck ones, I don't know if you remember,
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I can go pull up a picture of it now,
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they have these little things that stick out
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basically over the rubber,
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like into the sidewall a little bit,
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like it's part of the look, right?
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So it's not just a cover that covers
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the metal part of the wheel,
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that cover also extends into the rubber part.
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But, and it looks cool in all the demos,
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and like wow, it's a distinctive look for the Cybertruck.
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But if you notice how the rubber on the wheels are made,
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the parts that stick out from the wheel cover
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sort of essentially mate with,
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or line up with structures in the sidewall,
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like it's, you know.
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- You can't just rotate it,
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the wheel cover has to be lined up
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with the rubber of the wheel,
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and that's not how cars work.
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You may not know it,
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but your rubber tire does move within the wheel,
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slip a little bit within the wheel.
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- Whoa, I didn't know that.
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- And so they thought they were gonna ship this,
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but they realized if you actually drive the car
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with these on it,
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especially with the incredible power this thing has,
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they quickly go out of alignment.
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Like the wheel, the rubber goes out of alignment
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with the metal wheel that it's on,
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which makes the wheel cover also go out of alignment.
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And so they basically, if you buy a Cybertruck,
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you do not get those covers
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that you ostensibly paid for.
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And Tesla said, yeah, those, that doesn't work.
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So I don't know if they're gonna give them
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alternate wheel covers that don't extend,
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if they're gonna give them all new wheels,
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but there are a couple of things about the Cybertruck
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that, you know, they either didn't think through all the way
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or didn't quite work out the way they wanted.
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I love that one,
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'cause it just shows the kind of like,
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this is a young car company that no one thought of,
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or was overridden perhaps by some other jerky person to say,
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you can't make part of the wheel
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be forced to line up with part of the rubber
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and give you a car with a thousand horsepower.
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That's not gonna work after like, you know,
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10 minutes to a couple of days.
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So no wheel covers for you, Cybertruck owner.
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Not yet anyway.
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- Well, I agree lightly that a bold statement was made
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and I admire that, but everything else about it,
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it's hideous, it's way too big, it's obnoxious.
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It's just, it's not a DeLorean.
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Like the DeLorean was wrong in other ways,
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but it was also adorable and delightful.
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There's nothing adorable or delightful
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about this monstrosity.
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- I think it's adorable next to an F-350.
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