00:00:00 ◼ ► Jon is hacking up a lung over it. Yeah, Jon is very unwell, and I didn't find this out,
00:00:10 ◼ ► is only 15 minutes long, it's because we're taking pity on our good friend. And if it's
00:00:14 ◼ ► hugely long, then it's like every time I feel unwell, so we'll see what happens. It is September,
00:00:26 ◼ ► of that with all the letters and the words, but here we go. We're doing it live. So I'm
00:00:34 ◼ ► a lot of children that are unwell, and that's not okay. And a lot of them have some flavor
00:00:40 ◼ ► of cancer, and that is also not okay. And so we are part of Relay, and we're also partnering
00:00:46 ◼ ► with Relay. We're partnering with ourselves. I don't know. Just go with it. So we, Relay,
00:01:00 ◼ ► It's absolutely bananas. And because of that, Relay is going to have their name put on like
00:01:10 ◼ ► all the corporate and personal donators that have done, just gone above and beyond. And
00:01:28 ◼ ► headquartered in Memphis, Tennessee. I will be there in a couple of weeks when Relay does
00:01:32 ◼ ► their 12-hour podcast-a-thon. You can watch me melt into a puddle over the course of those
00:01:37 ◼ ► 12 hours as I do everything I can to raise more money for these six children. But here's
00:01:43 ◼ ► the thing. St. Jude has treated children from all 50 states and around the world. 90% of
00:01:49 ◼ ► the children at risk of developing cancer live in low and middle income countries. That
00:01:57 ◼ ► St. Jude launched St. Jude Global. That way every child with cancer, no matter where they
00:02:03 ◼ ► live, and also other catastrophic diseases, by the way, they have access to quality care
00:02:07 ◼ ► and treatment. So when I was at St. Jude in April for the Play Live Summit, they brought
00:02:22 ◼ ► not just on stage, but just in general with the people we met, the number of stories we
00:02:36 ◼ ► child's cancer, or my brother's cancer." And we were at wits end. I mean, we were basically
00:02:41 ◼ ► given a death sentence. And then somebody thought, "You know, let's call St. Jude. Let's
00:02:45 ◼ ► see what happens." And the number of stories that, you know, there's all these different
00:02:54 ◼ ► but every single one of them ended with, "We called St. Jude and within hours, within hours,
00:03:01 ◼ ► we had plane tickets to go to Memphis, Tennessee, and they didn't have to pay for it at all
00:03:05 ◼ ► because St. Jude pays for it all." So in order for St. Jude to pay for all these things,
00:03:20 ◼ ► donation and it becomes a joke for the next year. So we're going to do that in a minute.
00:03:28 ◼ ► to donate, one other just a justification for donation. And I like to call it the Marco
00:03:35 ◼ ► Yes, starting probably next week. Many of you out there are going to be buying new Apple
00:03:41 ◼ ► products. You might have even bought some other things recently, possibly the new Android
00:03:56 ◼ ► necessarily need to spend money on new gadgets. Maybe you got something broken that needs
00:04:04 ◼ ► luxuries that we have because we're very fortunate to be able to afford nice electronics for
00:04:22 ◼ ► a case or additional storage upgrades or a keyboard or some other kind of accessory for
00:04:29 ◼ ► the thing that you're buying. You even also do things like Apple care, warranty services
00:04:34 ◼ ► or you certainly almost always in most places you have to pay sales tax. So you have all
00:04:44 ◼ ► buying. I suggest when thinking about what your minimum donation to St. Jude should be,
00:04:54 ◼ ► the taxes, all the storage upgrades, all the accessories and cases and warranties and all
00:04:59 ◼ ► that stuff, add up all that. That should be your target minimum donation to St. Jude if
00:05:04 ◼ ► you can swing it. And fortunately for us and for most of you out there, many of you out
00:05:08 ◼ ► there are able to swing it and that's great. And this is how you can assuage some of your
00:05:13 ◼ ► guilt about these new tech products that you're buying by giving a nice chunk of money if
00:05:19 ◼ ► Yep. So here's the thing. When we rally for a common cause, we become more than a community.
00:05:23 ◼ ► We become beacons of hope for all. Yes, that is a little bit silly, but it's true. It's
00:05:29 ◼ ► not really true. So please join Relay and ATP and donate to St. Jude this September for
00:05:39 ◼ ► the donation area, which is what we're about to do, the three of us. Or if you want more
00:05:43 ◼ ► information or if you perhaps want to start your own campaign, you can go to stjude.org/relay.
00:05:48 ◼ ► So S-T-J-U-D-E dot O-R-G slash A-T-P to just go straight to the donation. So now the three
00:05:59 ◼ ► going to do the gentlemanly thing of agreeing on exactly how much we're going to donate.
00:06:04 ◼ ► And I believe as with past years, we had agreed on $7,000, but we could never do that because
00:06:09 ◼ ► we're all just difficult. So the question is, who is going to be the winner by donating
00:06:16 ◼ ► the most, but also sticking to the gentlemanly agreement of $7,000? So in past years, I should
00:06:39 ◼ ► as we speak, I'm going to say payment details. I'm gonna see if I can Apple pay this and
00:06:43 ◼ ► I'm not going to tell you quite yet exactly what I am going to do. I have to add an address.
00:06:59 ◼ ► be telling you this while I'm on air because now Marco is probably just tripling his donation,
00:07:05 ◼ ► which honestly I'm okay with. I've already hit my button. I hit it while you were talking
00:07:12 ◼ ► I'm not going to. I haven't looked yet. All right. I'm going, I'm hitting the Apple pay
00:07:15 ◼ ► button right now. Done. I donated $7,001 and 43 cents because one 43 is short for, I love
00:07:24 ◼ ► you one letter, four letters, three letters, and that's for Aaron. And so we lost it. It's
00:07:29 ◼ ► it's really you being mean to Aaron is what's going on. So let's see how we do. You definitely
00:07:34 ◼ ► talk too much this year. Casey also, you're incredibly bad at this game. And I basically,
00:07:40 ◼ ► I basically conceded this game because like, like, like what's his name? Adrian bite or
00:07:53 ◼ ► apparently Marco has just decided he's sick of losing this game. Marco has decided enough
00:08:07 ◼ ► year, but apparently Casey cannot be helped. Wait, why? Where did 17 come from? I did 11
00:08:14 ◼ ► last year. Oh my God. So, so the, so the final donations from ATP, me and Aaron coming in
00:08:20 ◼ ► last at $7,001 and 43 cents. Then John Siracusa at $7,017 even, and then Marco and Tiff swooping
00:08:29 ◼ ► in to take the lead comfortably take the lead. I should add Marco. How much did you two donate?
00:08:54 ◼ ► this is ridiculous. It shall not stand, but we can't get upset. Anyway, so collectively
00:08:58 ◼ ► ATP has donated according to my little calculator here, $21,796 and 20 cents. Of course that
00:09:05 ◼ ► exact amount is what we would do, but that's what we ended up at. By the way, I have to
00:09:13 ◼ ► podcasts and we are really adjacent. We are friends with them, but I've always been proud
00:09:17 ◼ ► of how much of the relay pledge drive is from listeners to a non-relay podcast. ATP listeners
00:09:24 ◼ ► donate tons of money. Like we already talked about the, like the leaderboard thing we have
00:09:28 ◼ ► for Casey's stickers or whatever, where the, uh, you know, ATP listeners with a large means
00:09:32 ◼ ► of put huge donations in for the chance of getting those stickers, right? Sometimes people
00:09:35 ◼ ► put ATP in their comments or whatever. We've been amazed by how much money, how generous
00:09:40 ◼ ► ATP listeners on are for this pledge drive. So that makes us proud of our listeners. And
00:09:48 ◼ ► Yep. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. It is really kind of you to listen to us make this pledge.
00:09:53 ◼ ► I know this is taking a long time, but honestly, sorry, not sorry because it's worth it. So
00:09:58 ◼ ► thank you so much. We really appreciate you. And again, I will reiterate just because we
00:10:02 ◼ ► donated 7,000 and change some of us almost $8,000. Uh, even though we did that, you can
00:10:12 ◼ ► other way. We're still very happy about that. So please, the majority of the money is not
00:10:20 ◼ ► 20 bucks, give five bucks, anything you can. Yep. So please, stjude.org, S T J U D E dot
00:10:26 ◼ ► org slash ATP. Thank you. Let's do some follow up Mac mini redesign updates from Mark Gurman.
00:10:32 ◼ ► So, uh, Mark had announced some expected Mac mini redesign or redesign changes and whatnot,
00:10:49 ◼ ► front like the max studio. That model will also retain an ethernet port. Good. HDMI port.
00:10:54 ◼ ► Good. And headphone Jack. Sure. But prepare to say goodbye to the USB ports found on the
00:11:06 ◼ ► the things on it, I'm happy with that. And, and USB a like it's been very helpful to have
00:11:18 ◼ ► that we can drop them on most things. I agree. I agree. Wholeheartedly. Now we're going to
00:11:26 ◼ ► win them all. Uh, then Mark continues. I've also been told that the computer's power supply
00:11:30 ◼ ► will be internal. This was a big deal because, uh, they're saying, you know, the, the new
00:11:33 ◼ ► Mac mini is going to be roughly a Apple TV sized. And although the Apple TV does indeed
00:11:43 ◼ ► no brick involved, but you know, that's kind of a computer, but not really a whole computer.
00:11:48 ◼ ► And so people were justifiably a little worried that perhaps, uh, this wouldn't be the case
00:11:56 ◼ ► on the outside, but nope. Apparently the power supply will be internal, which I very, I am
00:12:00 ◼ ► very happy about. Do you know if the Logitech, like the little RF dongle things for their
00:12:04 ◼ ► wireless mice because Bluetooth sucks, uh, if they're USB C now, as far as I know, they're
00:12:09 ◼ ► not now. I do take a little bit of offense at you saying Bluetooth sucks. I'm maybe I'm
00:12:12 ◼ ► a Bluetooth unicorn, but I really don't see the issue with using Bluetooth peripherals.
00:12:16 ◼ ► It's so much worse than the little RF dongles in pretty much all possible ways, except you
00:12:21 ◼ ► don't have to have a dongle, which is great. I mean, honestly, that is very like I've in,
00:12:26 ◼ ► in, you know, various, you know, gaming laptops and stuff. I do use other mice besides Apple's
00:12:37 ◼ ► far not found a compelling case for the custom RF dongles. To me, there's a compelling case
00:12:47 ◼ ► There's a compelling case for wired mice and there's a compelling case for Bluetooth mice.
00:13:01 ◼ ► It's not even that. That's all true. Like the advantages for it. And they actually have
00:13:04 ◼ ► like gaming mice that are wireless now with some super wireless protocol, whatever. It's
00:13:07 ◼ ► mostly the fact that the Bluetooth range and reliability is often at the limit for desktop
00:13:14 ◼ ► computers, even for laptops, keep it far away of working well. Like, I mean, my computer
00:13:19 ◼ ► is my tower computer. I can touch it with my hand. It's not that far away, but no Bluetooth
00:13:24 ◼ ► mouse can reliably communicate with the computer. It's not that far away. RF dongle, I could
00:13:30 ◼ ► be in the other room smooth as glass, right? And that's, that's the advantage. It's just
00:13:34 ◼ ► so much better range and reliability at the cost of filling one of your ports with a little
00:13:38 ◼ ► thing. And the reason I ask about the little dongles is because yeah, this is the Mac mini.
00:13:58 ◼ ► then attach your little RF dingus to if you have a mouse like that. And that's more cumbersome
00:14:11 ◼ ► USB-A dongles? You're not wrong. Make a USB-C one. Like it's obvious that the thing, the
00:14:16 ◼ ► actual thing that's in there is so tiny. I'm sure it could fit. But anyway, that's, that's
00:14:21 ◼ ► the only downside I can see is like, why would you still have USB-A ports? You've got like
00:14:31 ◼ ► - Indeed. Oh yeah. Yeah. All right. So with regard to minimum amounts of Mac Ram, which
00:14:38 ◼ ► we were talking about in the context of going to, what is it? 12 gigabytes of Ram in future
00:14:45 ◼ ► - I'm sorry. Thank you. Brian writes, I was at Apple's 1996 worldwide developer conference
00:14:50 ◼ ► where Jill, Emilio, Gil, Gil, Emilio. I got that right this time. See, it's GIF, not Jeff.
00:14:55 ◼ ► Anyway, made the announcement during the keynote that all future Mac models would ship with
00:14:58 ◼ ► a minimum of 12 megabytes of Ram up from 8. As I remember that announcement got a standing
00:15:09 ◼ ► this is years later, I think after ruminating about my recollections of the WWDC keynote,
00:15:30 ◼ ► - We did a lot with a little back then. All right. Cigarja writes with regard to the screen
00:15:36 ◼ ► recording badge on outgoing video, excluding the screen recording badge from outgoing video
00:15:53 ◼ ► know that. The additional API is required since the window picker lets the system handle
00:15:56 ◼ ► the selection, then it hands you the frames. And this includes the recording badge by default.
00:16:05 ◼ ► - So as usual to provide a better experience to your users, you need to use the API that
00:16:17 ◼ ► going to be in, well, it's not that new, but Apple's going to be embracing it, which is
00:16:20 ◼ ► new. Kelly Thompson writes, "Support for reading JPEG XL images has been available on Apple
00:16:24 ◼ ► platform since last year. They work in Safari preview photos and all the apps like Pages
00:16:37 ◼ ► video, but not stills. Obviously HDR images work great in photos. It's a weird state of
00:16:41 ◼ ► half in half out. JPEG XL has been jointly developed by Cloudinary, which I'd never heard
00:16:46 ◼ ► of and Google. For ages, JPEG XL support was behind a flag in Chrome. Everyone was just
00:16:56 ◼ ► JXL and remove support." And we'll put a link to the chart in the show notes. "The entire
00:17:01 ◼ ► web responded saying, in fact, the chart showed the exact opposite and everything above quality
00:17:05 ◼ ► 55, which is where the vast majority of images saved are. JPEG XL handily beat AVIF at every
00:17:22 ◼ ► works on Chrome is in California. Well, either way from the Chromium bug tracker request,
00:17:31 ◼ ► receiving images in this format without even realizing it. Major cloud delivery services
00:17:36 ◼ ► already offer JPEG XL as an option to browsers that support it. One cool feature of the default
00:17:52 ◼ ► If not, you can compress them as fast as JPEG at the expense of some size. Here's a beta
00:17:56 ◼ ► version of a tool we developed for the upcoming JPEG XL website that shows the relationship
00:18:03 ◼ ► "It's kind of like if you have like ImageOptim and those other sort of PNG crush and all
00:18:07 ◼ ► those utilities that say like use more computation time to make the image a little bit smaller,
00:18:24 ◼ ► 24 hours making this image smaller because it's going to be served a whole jillion times
00:18:28 ◼ ► in the 30 seconds after I post it, you know what I mean? So every little bit that we can
00:18:33 ◼ ► crush this image makes it. And that was the same thing with CDNs, vending JPEG XL versions
00:18:38 ◼ ► based on the browsers that they know support them or whatever. So yeah, JPEG XL could be
00:18:47 ◼ ► Apple does announce, hey, these new iPhones have this new image format, if that even happens
00:19:03 ◼ ► XL, seems like a limitation that they should overcome and this would be the perfect time
00:19:06 ◼ ► to do it. So again, I'm rooting for this rumor. This is still just a rumor that Apple's doing
00:19:10 ◼ ► this, but regardless of the rumor, Apple has been adding JPEG XL support slowly and steadily
00:19:15 ◼ ► to their platforms. It's just not fully baked yet. And they certainly haven't announced
00:19:24 ◼ ► Moving along, we need to talk about the FTC's non-compete agreements ban, which if you recall,
00:19:30 ◼ ► the FTC Federal Trade Commission said here in America, hey, you can't have non-competes
00:19:34 ◼ ► anymore. That's not fair. To which a federal judge said, hold my beer. Reading from the
00:19:39 ◼ ► Verge, a federal judge has blocked the Federal Trade Commission's ban on non-compete agreements
00:19:49 ◼ ► effect on September 4th, which is today, though the agency could still appeal the decision.
00:20:03 ◼ ► competition saying the non-compete agreements ban is "unreasonably overbroad without a reasonable
00:20:15 ◼ ► decision now stops the FTC from blocking non-competes nationwide after initially delaying the ban
00:20:19 ◼ ► with a preliminary injunction in July. The ruling upholds a lawsuit that tax firm Ryan,
00:20:25 ◼ ► LLC filed in April to challenge the non-compete agreements ban, arguing that it would make
00:20:34 ◼ ► I love that. It would make us harder to retain talent if we couldn't legally handcuff our
00:20:44 ◼ ► I love the things that are quoting here like "unreasonably overbroad without a reasonable
00:20:50 ◼ ► explanation." I'm pretty sure the people on the other side of this case gave a reasonable
00:20:58 ◼ ► of why this particular agency has the ability to do this or whatever. It's frustrating.
00:21:24 ◼ ► Moving along though, apparently more governments would also like in on pooping on the App Store
00:21:34 ◼ ► Reading from MacRumors, the National Commission of Markets and Competition, the CNMC, this
00:21:43 ◼ ► imposing unfair trading conditions on developers who distribute their applications to the platform.
00:21:48 ◼ ► Investigation was initiated ex officio, reflecting the significant economic influence of App
00:21:52 ◼ ► Stores in Spain. Apple's practices could constitute an abuse of a dominant position, which is
00:21:57 ◼ ► prohibited under Spanish competition laws and the treaty on the functioning of the European
00:22:12 ◼ ► has found that Apple exploited its dominant position in the market for App Stores on its
00:22:15 ◼ ► iOS operating system, engaging in "abusive conduct and practices," a confidential report
00:22:21 ◼ ► seen by Reuters showed. The Competition Commission of India, or CCI, has been investigating Apple
00:22:28 ◼ ► since 2021 for possibly abusing its dominant position in the apps market by forcing developers
00:22:40 ◼ ► UK antitrust investigation into Apple has officially closed, despite finding the company
00:22:43 ◼ ► to be at fault after the regulator missed a legal deadline. However, a case seems almost
00:22:49 ◼ ► certain to be reopened under an upcoming law which will grant new powers to the Competition
00:22:54 ◼ ► I wonder if all these governments are like cheating off each other, or like, the language
00:22:57 ◼ ► in these stories from three entirely different outlets is so similar, and the language of
00:23:11 ◼ ► tamp down the App Store, citing the same type of things, like competition, abusing dominant
00:23:27 ◼ ► country does this, more are going to follow. It's not going to be like, "Oh, you're going
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00:25:37 ◼ ► So it is time for everyone's favorite tradition, which was a genuinely excellent idea that
00:25:42 ◼ ► Marco came up with a few years back. This is the iPhone 15 exit interview. Marco, would
00:25:51 ◼ ► as Casey said. This is basically on the eve of the iPhone's replacement, the episode before
00:25:57 ◼ ► they're going to have their event and launch the new one. I like to send the old one out
00:26:07 ◼ ► had a whole year of usage, it kind of helps inform other shows more often do kind of direct
00:26:13 ◼ ► like predictions or wish lists of what we want for the next phone that will be announced
00:26:18 ◼ ► next week. And I think having it kind of framed as an exit interview of the previous phone
00:26:25 ◼ ► helps to inform kind of what matters and what kind of progress we're actually hoping to
00:26:47 ◼ ► one, which I guess is the small technically, but it's, you know, there's only two sizes
00:26:57 ◼ ► I've used it some, obviously not as much as she in the same way that Jon has used Tina's
00:27:19 ◼ ► line. And this is not a small deal. This has been a big deal. This has been so nice. So
00:27:25 ◼ ► not only do I have easier charging everywhere that I am, like, because all over my house,
00:27:33 ◼ ► my backpack, my traveling, now we just have one kind of cable and it charges everything.
00:27:52 ◼ ► only thing we use lightning for is charging Apple TV remotes, which we almost never have
00:27:56 ◼ ► to do. Like that's literally like, you know, maybe twice a year we charge an Apple TV remote.
00:27:59 ◼ ► Well, the modern ones are USB-C. The older ones were. Yes, I just never upgraded to that
00:28:04 ◼ ► one. So no more lightning cables for almost anything except for, yeah, Apple TV charging
00:28:21 ◼ ► oh, and I guess a couple of my older AirPods cases. But even like my travel AirPods Pros
00:28:31 ◼ ► Oh, I really want to do it, but I'm too cheap. It feels so wasteful, but like for, but I
00:28:35 ◼ ► had to get a second pair because one of the old ones finally died and it's so I got the
00:28:58 ◼ ► I can plug in my big Fuji camera with a regular USB-C cable, even just a quote charging cable
00:29:09 ◼ ► to my phone and import photos. It's glorious. Like so much little stuff like that just works.
00:29:17 ◼ ► Some audio equipment works that way too. Like I have found it is just USB-C has been an
00:29:27 ◼ ► you're wondering like, should I upgrade, you know, this year or whatever, USB-C alone is
00:29:33 ◼ ► a great reason to upgrade. But you know, that's obviously how much that's worth to you. It
00:29:38 ◼ ► depends on the pricing, but wow, is it nice. That is so much nicer. Like I knew it would
00:29:44 ◼ ► be nice to just like, you know, get rid of some cables. I had no idea how nice it would
00:29:56 ◼ ► Oh, can I top off my phone for a minute? Yeah, sure. Just pop out whatever you're charging
00:29:59 ◼ ► and plug into the phone and then you unplug the phone and plug in a laptop or an AirPods
00:30:06 ◼ ► having to like mess with things. Oh, it's so nice. It is so good. So yeah, USB-C A plus.
00:30:12 ◼ ► Yeah. Just to jump in really quickly. I like Marco said, I knew this was going to be an
00:30:23 ◼ ► Uh, it is so empowering is a bit dramatic, I think, but I don't, I can't think of a better
00:30:29 ◼ ► word for it at the moment. It's so empowering to look at any of my devices, asterisk and
00:30:34 ◼ ► any cable I have nearby and say, yep, that'll work. And maybe it won't be as quick as I
00:30:44 ◼ ► Just the other day on one of the final pool days we had before our little community pool
00:30:54 ◼ ► cause it's USB-C anyways, she has an iPhone 15 pro and it was near death because she had
00:31:09 ◼ ► I know what I'll do. And I went and I grabbed my USB-C to see cable from the car, plugged
00:31:18 ◼ ► charge from my iPad, which was totally fine. Having anything being able to charge anything
00:31:22 ◼ ► again, asterisk, et cetera, et cetera, is so great. And to your point, Marco, not having
00:31:27 ◼ ► to carry 44 different cables is so nice. It's just, it's so wonderful to not have to care
00:31:33 ◼ ► if the thing I need to be charged is the computer, is the iPad, is the phone. It doesn't matter.
00:31:49 ◼ ► harder to remove than with lightning. With lightning you could put pretty much anything
00:31:53 ◼ ► up there and just kind of scrape it out and it would just kind of fall out. USB-C, I did
00:31:57 ◼ ► have an issue earlier in the year where I had to like, where I thought my port was breaking.
00:32:06 ◼ ► the port and I had thought it wasn't because I had just done like some basic, you know,
00:32:10 ◼ ► clean out with like one of those plastic tools thinking like maybe this will do it. And it
00:32:14 ◼ ► took like a little bit deeper of a clean to get all that stuff out. And it was just stuff
00:32:21 ◼ ► that, it's been only benefit. And I also like, I thought, and we've been talking for, you
00:32:32 ◼ ► USB-C change would be as harsh as it was when they switched from the dock connector to lightning.
00:32:37 ◼ ► Yeah, that's true. I thought the exact same. Like regular people out there hated the switch
00:32:42 ◼ ► to lightning from the dock connector because they were like Apple is just doing this as
00:32:46 ◼ ► a cash grab to, you know, to sell new cables and new bricks, whatever. And, you know, this
00:32:51 ◼ ► time I thought we would have the same problem and we just didn't. I think that's largely
00:32:55 ◼ ► because USB-C is not proprietary to Apple. And so when they made this change, there was
00:33:02 ◼ ► already a massive marketplace of USB-C cables and chargers made by everybody. And so it
00:33:08 ◼ ► was not as much of like, oh, they're trying to sell their own cable. Like I'd be surprised
00:33:13 ◼ ► if Apple sells many of their own cables. I think most people just get whatever they can
00:33:32 ◼ ► I think it has been even quieter than we thought it would be. Because when we were discussing
00:33:35 ◼ ► it we were like, okay, well, is this going to be as bad? Here are these mitigating factors
00:33:38 ◼ ► that could make it not as bad. But not only was it not as bad as lightning to USB or lightning
00:33:43 ◼ ► to 30 pin to lightning, I think it was just pretty much a non-issue. I mean, maybe it's
00:33:50 ◼ ► more of an issue outside our circles. Maybe most people don't have a USB-C phone. Maybe
00:33:54 ◼ ► it's lagging. But right now on the eve of the iPhone 16, I think it has exceeded expectations
00:34:00 ◼ ► into how much better the transition was. Even though I think we all said it was going to
00:34:09 ◼ ► no one, see, I heard no complaints from literally anybody that they changed the port. Like,
00:34:15 ◼ ► you know, granted, you're right that not everybody is on that fast of an upgrade cycle. But still,
00:34:28 ◼ ► phone in the house. And so we have the opposite problem here where it's not like we've gone
00:34:31 ◼ ► to this whole USB-C lifestyle. We have those communal chargers everywhere with lightning
00:34:36 ◼ ► stuff and we had to add the right number of USB-C things there. Now, arguably we should
00:34:41 ◼ ► have been adding them before because we've got USB-C iPads. We just happen to have other
00:34:45 ◼ ► places to charge our iPads. But now every place where there's a bunch of lightning cables,
00:34:48 ◼ ► there's now at least one USB-C cable in the mix. Eventually we'll fully transition, but
00:34:54 ◼ ► it's going to be a while because my wife uses, I believe, four, maybe three. She carries
00:34:59 ◼ ► four iPhones. She uses three of them for Pokemon Go. One of them is her work phone. So she's
00:35:10 ◼ ► Anyway, it's going to be a while before all four of those phones are on USB-C. So I have
00:35:19 ◼ ► And while we're on USB-C here, I just wanted to give a shout out to USB-C Power Delivery.
00:35:42 ◼ ► old USB could ever deliver. That's how you can get USB to power an entire laptop by itself,
00:35:47 ◼ ► for instance. The move in general for so many tech products, and even products that are
00:35:54 ◼ ► kind of just barely tech products, the move to being powered by USB-C and USB-C PD wattages
00:36:01 ◼ ► has made overall life so much, just like a little bit nicer in a lot of ways. It's like
00:36:12 ◼ ► products. This is like, whatever the opposite of a paper cut would be. A paper circle? I
00:36:17 ◼ ► don't know. I can't think of a good word that's funny. But it is just a little delight, I
00:36:34 ◼ ► it until you have to go use something older that has its own power brick or its own older
00:36:39 ◼ ► USB micro or whatever port. The world we have now is so nice to me. All that stuff about
00:36:46 ◼ ► like, wow, I can charge all my phone and my iPad and my laptop from all the same thing.
00:36:51 ◼ ► That's true. And that shows in lots of bigger ways now too. So many other gadgets or things
00:36:59 ◼ ► are now powered by USB because it's just kind of cheaper and widely available. So many devices.
00:37:05 ◼ ► I even have a power drill that is powered by USB-C now and has its own built in. I mean,
00:37:11 ◼ ► look, I'm not a contractor, but for my purposes, it's totally fine. There are so many things
00:37:16 ◼ ► like that now that are entering my life gradually over the last few years that just, oh, this
00:37:20 ◼ ► new XYZ thing, this is now USB-C powered. It could be so many things like toothbrushes,
00:37:27 ◼ ► vacuum cleaners, so many things are now being USB-C powered. And the more stuff that you
00:37:31 ◼ ► get like that in your life, the more those little conveniences and delights you're into
00:37:37 ◼ ► sometimes. Oh, I need to get a new power adapter for my drill. Do I have to buy the proprietary
00:37:49 ◼ ► cable for this gadget. Do I have to buy a special thing or see if anybody makes a weird
00:37:58 ◼ ► that that add up in your life over time, the more you're into the USB-C lifestyle. So thank
00:38:09 ◼ ► being here and for pretty gradually, but now with quite some speed behind it, converting
00:38:16 ◼ ► over to this wonderful lifestyle. It is wonderful. I love USB-C. For the data side of it, yeah,
00:38:21 ◼ ► it's a mess. The power side of it is awesome. Yeah, agreed. Let me give the EU partial credit
00:38:26 ◼ ► because I think we said before, I think Apple would have switched with or without the EU.
00:38:30 ◼ ► It's just a question of the individual timing. They might have even done it at exactly the
00:38:33 ◼ ► same time because they did do it earlier than required. But yeah, Apple's lack of investment
00:38:37 ◼ ► in lightning and the lack of expansion in the capabilities of that port made it inevitable
00:38:46 ◼ ► goals, one of the EU's stated goals was reducing e-waste. And I think largely this does that.
00:39:00 ◼ ► go through your tech closets and see how many things there are that have their own custom
00:39:25 ◼ ► here and there with cases. And then we pretty much never heard about it for the rest of
00:39:39 ◼ ► significant paper cut to me. It would be like a significant step down because I use mine.
00:39:43 ◼ ► I have it set up for the flashlight. I know there's lots of other ideas people have for
00:39:46 ◼ ► it but I need a flashlight fairly frequently. And I use it at least twice a day. And I just,
00:39:52 ◼ ► I love having that hardware button there. It is fantastic. Yeah, I use mine for camera.
00:40:12 ◼ ► that it actually listens to me and swipes the way I want it to go from the lock screen.
00:40:25 ◼ ► least daily. I don't personally think I would use the flashlight quite as much. But hey,
00:40:34 ◼ ► I don't know that I would be lost or anything without having the action button, you know,
00:40:45 ◼ ► would miss having it for sure. And maybe one day I'll use it for something more advanced.
00:40:49 ◼ ► But yeah, I think the action button also gets a thumbs up for me for sure. I think the camera
00:40:53 ◼ ► is perfectly good thing to use it for my success rate at doing the swipe gesture for the camera
00:40:57 ◼ ► is so low. I end up using the the what you would think would be the even slower one where
00:41:09 ◼ ► No, because when I try to swipe and it fails, and I try to swipe and it's always like, oh,
00:41:12 ◼ ► got to get the camera out quick, you know, because something cute is happening or whatever,
00:41:15 ◼ ► right? That is the time when I am completely unable to get the camera up. So the action
00:41:40 ◼ ► I'm looking forward to my iPhone 16 with the action button so that I can build that habit
00:41:44 ◼ ► because I can almost guarantee that pressing that side button is going to have a much higher
00:41:49 ◼ ► success rate than me trying to swipe or me having to hold my finger down on that little
00:41:55 ◼ ► And then finally, the only other thing I'll say about the iPhone 15 Pro is that the thermals
00:42:01 ◼ ► really have been pretty bad. It really, you know, we all saw right at the beginning, we're
00:42:17 ◼ ► why I had to like buy a chiller phone mount that uses, you know, a thermoelectric element
00:42:24 ◼ ► just to cool the phone down in the car just so I could keep the display on and take any
00:42:34 ◼ ► tried to, I think they successfully mitigated the bad press that could have resulted from
00:42:39 ◼ ► that when people started reporting that right at the beginning. And they issued a soft,
00:42:42 ◼ ► they said it was a software issue and they issued a software update. It wasn't a software
00:42:46 ◼ ► issue. It was a hardware flaw. This phone overheats much more easily than previous phones
00:42:55 ◼ ► apparently have a modified and better thermal design. And that's, so that is, when I look
00:43:07 ◼ ► could use the 5X camera that Casey has, which it does seem like both of those things have
00:43:14 ◼ ► I have to say though, how many years? I think it's been like three or four years that there
00:43:18 ◼ ► have been rumors of better cooling in iPhones. Vapor chambers, graphite sheets, not just
00:43:42 ◼ ► don't like that. And so they're always like, boy, could there be better cooling? And then
00:43:45 ◼ ► you look at what Apple has done with cooling and we know they could do more because Android
00:43:49 ◼ ► phones are like, what, what more can we do? Can we, can we do more than just having, you
00:43:55 ◼ ► of other phone makers have done things. And so whenever we see the rumors, Apple's going
00:43:58 ◼ ► to do it, they're going to put those graphite sheets in there. They're going to use more
00:44:01 ◼ ► thermal paste. They're going to use a vapor chamber every year. We're just disappointed.
00:44:15 ◼ ► Right. And so it was a really, they were pushing the limits with that chip on, on that process
00:44:20 ◼ ► that Apple's already moving away from. I kind of see why it had thermal issues. And I also
00:44:26 ◼ ► kind of say, see why this would have been a good phone to try out those graphite sheets.
00:44:30 ◼ ► You know what I mean? Like, but no, it didn't, didn't happen. So I really hope it does come
00:44:37 ◼ ► the 17, not the 16, I am going to be disappointed. Despite the fact that in general, I haven't
00:44:43 ◼ ► noticed my wife's phone getting particularly hot, except for when she's playing Pokemon
00:44:46 ◼ ► Go, in which case that makes all of her phones hot. But you know, it's, as long as it gets
00:44:50 ◼ ► the job done, as long as it doesn't, you know, stop working, which is your problem when you
00:44:56 ◼ ► trying to use it for because the screen gets so dim you can't see it anymore. I don't know
00:45:06 ◼ ► but it's time for Apple to invest a little bit more in cooling on their top end phones.
00:45:17 ◼ ► an issue and that the thermals are not stellar. But I would actually say to my estimation,
00:45:22 ◼ ► this was a mild improvement over past years. And you know, when I'm using my phone at the
00:45:32 ◼ ► say it was the 14 Pro. That bad boy was so dark I could barely read it pretty much always.
00:45:38 ◼ ► Whereas this one, it definitely gets dim and noticeably so, but I feel like not only would
00:45:44 ◼ ► it recover quicker, but it didn't get as dim as the either the 13 or the 14. So while I
00:45:51 ◼ ► don't disagree that, that we do, I think we do need improvements and I hope for improvements.
00:46:01 ◼ ► a great one. I think you're just experiencing screen improvements there and not necessarily
00:46:04 ◼ ► thermal improvements, right? Because I think just the screen is brighter and takes less
00:46:08 ◼ ► power at a given level of brightness. So now the dim one is not as dim and you're attributing
00:46:18 ◼ ► that you're benefiting from there. But anyway, it doesn't feel like that's the case, but
00:46:25 ◼ ► That's the thing though. It's very situational. Like if you, if you buy a car with a big glass
00:46:28 ◼ ► roof and all of a sudden your phone is overheating because on the dashboard it's getting more
00:46:31 ◼ ► direct sunlight, you're going to say, oh, it's the phone's fault, but maybe it's because
00:46:34 ◼ ► you got a new car, right? Like these, all of these phones have always been very vulnerable
00:46:42 ◼ ► start putting your phone in more direct sunlight? If so, you will perceive that phone as being
00:46:47 ◼ ► worse thermally. But I mean, there's 15 pros I have heard people saying it gets a little
00:46:51 ◼ ► bit warmer than they expected. And like a lot of these things, especially with the SoC,
00:46:55 ◼ ► the heat is very localized and it's when the SoC is doing a lot of work, right? There's
00:47:04 ◼ ► it's doing redo all your indexes and doing all that stuff, yeah, it's going to get real
00:47:08 ◼ ► hot and people are going to notice. But I think over, over time with normal phone usage
00:47:18 ◼ ► then I guess one more thing on the 15 before we leave it. I really do appreciate the titanium
00:47:25 ◼ ► as a weight saving measure. I don't think it needs necessarily be titanium specifically.
00:47:30 ◼ ► It could be lots of other, it could be aluminum for all I care. Like aluminum was fine for
00:47:34 ◼ ► a long time and it is lighter than titanium even. So that would be fine as well. But I'm
00:47:45 ◼ ► two to titanium and some of the structural change they made inside I think were actually
00:47:49 ◼ ► part of the problem with the thermals. And I believe that they, that's part of why they
00:47:53 ◼ ► had to revise them for the 16 line next week. But overall it does feel very good in the
00:47:59 ◼ ► hand. It feels great. So I love the overall design of it with the exception that I think
00:48:05 ◼ ► the colors were garbage for the profile. Like I got the natural gray one which I thought,
00:48:20 ◼ ► cool gray, like a neat gray. But I do mostly agree with you. If you'll permit me to just
00:48:26 ◼ ► carry on since I've already interrupted you. With regard to the 15 Pro Max, I don't hate
00:48:34 ◼ ► the size. I don't hate the size and I do like having a little more real estate. It turns
00:48:42 ◼ ► socket is pretty much compulsory. I have been thinking long and hard about what I will do
00:49:02 ◼ ► That'll be the test actually because right now you're like, oh, the big phone, it's annoying,
00:49:06 ◼ ► but it's nice to have more screen with that. You're really going to find out how much you
00:49:12 ◼ ► notice. If you don't know this, it takes you a day to find it, whatever. But if you look
00:49:16 ◼ ► at that screen and you're like, I'm so used to seeing so much more stuff or in this app,
00:49:19 ◼ ► I could see a whole other column of whatevers, that's going to really hurt you. So you may,
00:49:23 ◼ ► we'll see if you've irrevocably become one of the giant phone people or whether you were
00:49:34 ◼ ► to no conviction. And the thing that frustrates me so about the big phone is that for my hands,
00:49:41 ◼ ► for my body, it's really not a one handed phone for anything more than swiping vertically.
00:49:47 ◼ ► And even still, if I'm using one hand, I must have the pop socket out. And I actually have
00:49:52 ◼ ► come around on the pop socket. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I, but I think in
00:49:55 ◼ ► a perfect world, I would rather go back down to the standard size phone, presumably stop
00:50:12 ◼ ► and I just really disliked that. I miss being able to use my phone one handed. And I think
00:50:16 ◼ ► what would happen is I would get the smaller phone. If this is the way I go, I'll get the
00:50:30 ◼ ► win the day, but we'll see what happens now, now that I've shown that I can show myself,
00:50:45 ◼ ► Now the current rumors are that I don't think that's going to be the case, but if it is,
00:50:50 ◼ ► I don't think I would like begrudge for lack of a better word, you know, getting another
00:50:58 ◼ ► said, the 5x lens, I am very glad that I went for it and that I got it. There are definitely
00:51:11 ◼ ► concerned about this before it came out. And I think it's a valid concern. There are definitely
00:51:16 ◼ ► times that I want an in between and in a perfect world, I would want, you know, one or one
00:51:21 ◼ ► half, one, two, three, and five. And I know that's nuts and that's not going to happen,
00:51:31 ◼ ► I really do feel like it gives me reach in scenarios that I wouldn't have gotten nearly
00:51:41 ◼ ► regular size phone doesn't get the tetra prism lens, I will almost certainly stick with the
00:51:45 ◼ ► big phone. Having never had a big phone before, a lot of people would say that, oh, the battery
00:51:55 ◼ ► It's amazing. No, or at least not in my experience. I don't feel like it's demonstrably better
00:52:01 ◼ ► than the regular size phones. Maybe I'm using my phone now more now. Maybe I'm a banana.
00:52:07 ◼ ► I mean, maybe I'm off my rocker. I don't know, but I don't feel like the battery life was
00:52:27 ◼ ► that the natural titanium is a good color, but I concur that the rest of the colors stink
00:52:40 ◼ ► I will say again, and I've said this for the last several years, the front screen is too
00:52:47 ◼ ► easily scratched. It is. I scratched the snot out of this thing. I have no idea how it's
00:53:01 ◼ ► I hate that. I hate it. And normally I would just go to Apple and use my Apple cares, you
00:53:11 ◼ ► last time I tried this, they were like, oh, it's not damaged enough. Tough nuts. And I'm
00:53:18 ◼ ► them and say, how about now? It is definitely a weird incentive they've created. I'm saying,
00:53:29 ◼ ► very tempting. Sounds like somebody might need a phone pouch. No, I hear you scratching
00:53:34 ◼ ► your screen. How is this happening? How are you still using a phone pouch? What year is
00:53:39 ◼ ► this? Casey needs to be. I'm not using one. I have one scratch on my screen. It is very
00:53:44 ◼ ► small and I've had this phone for two years, right? I don't know what you're doing. Unless
00:53:48 ◼ ► you're going to have someone to follow you around with the camera to find out what you're
00:53:50 ◼ ► doing is you stick your phone into your pocket full of sand. Maybe you need a pouch. Yeah,
00:53:54 ◼ ► I genuinely don't know. And these are not small scratches. Like one of them is horrible.
00:53:58 ◼ ► Semi horizontally. I'm saying, are you putting it in your pocket with keys? No, I don't.
00:54:13 ◼ ► loved. I adored, what was it? The peel case. I think we talked about this one. It was new.
00:54:17 ◼ ► I adored the peel case, but they had a cutout for the action button, which I could not abide.
00:54:23 ◼ ► And to the best of my knowledge, they never revised it. Like what was the one that they
00:54:34 ◼ ► it's great. Honestly, I really loved the peel case so very much, but I could not abide the
00:54:44 ◼ ► and actually David, David shop in the chat just reminded me of this. Uh, I have dropped
00:54:49 ◼ ► this thing case free a handful of times, not dramatically, but a handful of times in cases
00:55:12 ◼ ► say is the right one. It's better to people because you've seen people use screens that
00:55:16 ◼ ► are just destroyed. So people's tolerance for using screens that are messed up is great,
00:55:21 ◼ ► but shattering is over a lot of people's limits. So the trade off is essentially you can make
00:55:26 ◼ ► it more scratch proof, but then it's going to be more prone to shattering. And so Apple,
00:55:34 ◼ ► all over it if you do whatever the hell Casey's doing, but it will be more resistant to full
00:55:39 ◼ ► blown shattering when you drop it. And despite the fact that that might annoy some of us
00:55:44 ◼ ► too, like if you're very careful with your phone, a harder screen that was more scratch
00:55:47 ◼ ► resistant, it would be better for you. But hell, I've dropped my phone plenty of times.
00:55:51 ◼ ► It's dropped off my nightstand onto a wooden floor plenty of times. I've dropped it off
00:55:58 ◼ ► you? Yeah, I'm in a case, but you know, like you could still get unlucky with the, with
00:56:10 ◼ ► but and I do think you're right that this is a problem I can fix with the screen protector
00:56:22 ◼ ► you have a screen protector recommendation that you swear by, please reach out via Mastodon.
00:56:30 ◼ ► from Mastodon or threads for that matter, a screen protector that you enjoy and a clean
00:56:52 ◼ ► right angle. Like they get really, uh, pretty, pretty complicated to try to do it right.
00:56:57 ◼ ► They're trying to help you as best they can because they know it's a difficult thing to
00:57:00 ◼ ► do. But if you're doing in a, in a like a house full of cat dander or something, you're
00:57:04 ◼ ► kind of fighting uphill battle. I've actually heard you're often better off having either,
00:57:13 ◼ ► it there. But I don't even know if they still sell screen protectors there, but I think
00:57:19 ◼ ► even like mall kiosks that sell phone accessories will often do it for you for some small fee.
00:57:31 ◼ ► John said, like, you know, when you buy one and try to apply it, you've done, you're doing
00:57:39 ◼ ► somewhat near maybe being ideal, but not quite ideal. And you're going to do what, two of
00:57:44 ◼ ► these a year at most, you know, so like you're not going to have the, you know, the experience
00:57:48 ◼ ► and the, the finesse of somebody who's doing it like 10 times a day. On the other hand,
00:58:03 ◼ ► wrong, but well, this is a problem for Casey in a week or two. It's not a problem for Casey
00:58:06 ◼ ► today. Uh, but yeah, grand scheme of things. Uh, I've really enjoyed this phone and for
00:58:12 ◼ ► no other reason, I think I would be all in because of USB-C and everything else was just
00:58:20 ◼ ► I think this year is one of the rare cases where Apple seems to have gotten caught with
00:58:24 ◼ ► their pants down a little bit by the AI thing. They shipped a line of phones to 15 and the
00:58:28 ◼ ► 15 pro seemingly without realizing that that 15 wouldn't be able to run next year's headlining
00:58:38 ◼ ► shipping Apple intelligence, but they could, they could have ended up shipping Apple intelligence
00:58:41 ◼ ► that wouldn't work on their latest non-pro phone if they had actually shipped Apple intelligence
00:58:49 ◼ ► old phone not to be able to run the headlining feature of the next OS that came out after
00:59:07 ◼ ► your RAM. I will look back on this line, the 15 and 50 pro and always remember it as the
00:59:12 ◼ ► year where the non-pro phone had this crippling disability that was, you know, that could
00:59:23 ◼ ► it put Apple in this strange, somewhat uncomfortable position of having to tell people who just
00:59:38 ◼ ► recently relatively speaking Apple realized they had to get it on the LLM game. Because,
00:59:49 ◼ ► ago maybe? Like, you know, it's, we know they have pretty long timelines for a lot of that
01:00:00 ◼ ► or around the same time, maybe they didn't know yet when they started doing LLM research
01:00:09 ◼ ► of RAM to run this thing. You know, that was probably too early to know that. And a lot
01:00:14 ◼ ► of Apple's efforts over the last year or two, like they've actually open sourced some things
01:00:26 ◼ ► done a lot of work in the area. Why? We're seeing it now. This is why they care so much
01:00:37 ◼ ► hard work to get it to fit in the 8 gig phones. And you can argue whether they were, you know,
01:00:40 ◼ ► late to the game on LLM or because the lead time is so long they just couldn't help it.
01:00:53 ◼ ► of buffer? Let's cut it as close as we possibly can, save every penny because why would we
01:00:59 ◼ ► give any excess RAM if we think the low end phone doesn't need that? We want to provide
01:01:04 ◼ ► product differentiation. And the answer is, you never know when something might come along
01:01:09 ◼ ► that makes your stinginess hurt you more than your stinginess is currently helping you.
01:01:13 ◼ ► Apple would probably argue, well, we're stingy 90% of the time and we only lose out on it
01:01:17 ◼ ► 10% of the time, so it's still a win. But, you know, I still think that being that stingy
01:01:32 ◼ ► to give your users a better experience. And in general, more RAM gives a better experience.
01:01:41 ◼ ► had to work so hard to get Apple intelligence into 8 gigs, that was their highest end phone.
01:01:46 ◼ ► Even on that one, they could have still provided differentiation and given the Pro 10 and the
01:01:59 ◼ ► all have even more RAM, so we'll see how this goes. But this is, you know, like I said,
01:02:04 ◼ ► I'm going to remember the 15, 15 Pro line with this one specific fact. Marco will remember
01:02:08 ◼ ► it for USB-C and I will remember it for the time that the non-Pro phone got left behind
01:02:17 ◼ ► RAM in phones. That is certainly part of it and that's probably not a trivial part. But
01:02:22 ◼ ► it's also about battery life. RAM takes power. Like just having a certain amount of RAM,
01:02:32 ◼ ► for anything. Like even if it's, you know, marked as free by the OS, you're still powering
01:02:36 ◼ ► that chip to a certain base level. That's how DRAM works. So, and forgive me for experts
01:02:41 ◼ ► in the field if I'm dramatically oversimplifying or if there's a whole bunch of asterisks on
01:02:44 ◼ ► that now, there probably are. But in general, you don't want to put a whole bunch of RAM
01:02:59 ◼ ► bit more which allows you to give the non-Pro line eight which apparently is okay, you know,
01:03:03 ◼ ► because the Pros got eight and their battery life is okay with an even hungrier SOC, right?
01:03:07 ◼ ► So the 15, the plain 15 would also have been fine with eight. Like you're right, it does
01:03:10 ◼ ► take more RAM but we're not asking for double. We're not asking double the RAM. Just a little
01:03:25 ◼ ► So, Apple Watch Series 9. I don't have a lot to say about the Series 9 except that I have
01:03:39 ◼ ► bad. I don't think it is fast enough or reliable enough to be useful. I have tried it over
01:03:53 ◼ ► when it is recognized, it takes a decent amount of extra time that you have to be still having
01:04:03 ◼ ► little animation to confirm that it understood your tap. It just feels very slow and I have
01:04:11 ◼ ► just mostly resorted to nose tapping the way I always have if I have to be one handed to
01:04:15 ◼ ► dismiss something because it is just faster and literally more reliable. It is more reliable
01:04:24 ◼ ► than trying the double tap finger gesture. So, I don't know if that's just me but I have
01:04:39 ◼ ► for us because we are going watch and phone. We are on a two year plan on watches and a
01:04:44 ◼ ► one year plan on phones. I feel like my complaints about the watch are the same as they ever
01:04:59 ◼ ► Really I don't find that. Mine is a lot younger obviously, it's a year younger but I find
01:05:09 ◼ ► Well that's the thing is I think a year worth of Apple Watch battery is fine in my personal
01:05:14 ◼ ► experience. Two years, not so fine. That's been a real bugbear for me to the point that
01:05:29 ◼ ► a month or two ago, got an Apple Watch Ultra 2 or whatever the current one is and he will
01:05:35 ◼ ► not shut up about how good the battery life is on this thing. And at this point I think
01:05:42 ◼ ► I am probably going to hold out until whenever the next Ultra update is. And if that's next
01:05:48 ◼ ► week perfect. That'd be preferred but if not I will try to hold out as long as I can and
01:05:57 ◼ ► and if I don't top off my watch at some point during the day it will typically die sometime
01:06:06 ◼ ► influenced by the fact that I have the little watch. I have the 40 millimeter or whatever
01:06:13 ◼ ► Yeah I forget what it is now or what it was in Series 8 but I'm just sick of it. I'm sick
01:06:42 ◼ ► for the non-Ultra watch. It was a bit like the titanium edition watch was not that much
01:06:48 ◼ ► more money than a steel one. It was really nice. It was lighter. I think it looked more
01:06:57 ◼ ► nice on the wrist. It was a way to have a little bit more subtle and a little bit lighter
01:07:15 ◼ ► nice and the titanium I think was a little bit nicer of a look between the two and again
01:07:19 ◼ ► I think it felt better. Also Apple watches tend to function better the lighter they are.
01:07:24 ◼ ► The taptic engine is more feelable. It moves on your wrist better. It sets on your wrist
01:07:28 ◼ ► better so I really hope they bring back titanium as an option on the Series 10 or whatever
01:07:36 ◼ ► Before you move on and if you'd rather table this for later we certainly can but I would
01:07:45 ◼ ► what generation that is but we've been kicking around the idea of getting Declan one for
01:07:58 ◼ ► The original one that we got him a few years back now was an SE, the first gen watch SE.
01:08:11 ◼ ► refurbished or renewed or whatever they call it for fairly cheap. He doesn't wear it currently
01:08:22 ◼ ► in your Apple Watch to cheat on tests so they banned them. So he hasn't worn it in a long
01:08:33 ◼ ► he's just not using a watch and I don't know when or if that will return but we'll find
01:08:40 ◼ ► So going back to what I'm hoping for for the Series 10. So number one, titanium option.
01:08:47 ◼ ► And just for the record here I'm not talking about software at all right now. I think the
01:08:51 ◼ ► Apple Watch, the watch OS X redesign changed a lot of things. I still am not super sold
01:08:57 ◼ ► on some of the watch OS X changes and placements and buttons and gestures and things like that.
01:09:03 ◼ ► I'm still getting everything wrong all the time. I'm still pushing the wrong buttons or
01:09:10 ◼ ► And of course I always have opinions on watch faces. But going back to just the hardware,
01:09:27 ◼ ► want display zoom on the Apple Watch. As you may know my vision is slowly getting worse
01:09:32 ◼ ► at close distances as I proceed through middle age. I use reading glasses for close up reading
01:09:42 ◼ ► reading. So I have found as my vision has gotten slowly worse at like short arm distance,
01:09:50 ◼ ► very small complications and very small text in complications like say the timer complication
01:09:56 ◼ ► which I use frequently is getting a little hard to read. Now iPhones have many different
01:10:02 ◼ ► accessibility technologies for font sizing and UI sizing and different visual accommodations.
01:10:09 ◼ ► The watch has almost none which is surprising. There is dynamic type on the watch which is
01:10:20 ◼ ► also on the phones have this thing called display zoom where that's the mode where when
01:10:27 ◼ ► that set up process it will ask you do you want things to be this size or this size and
01:10:40 ◼ ► the next size smaller phone that existed or exists. So if you have a pro max and you pick
01:10:57 ◼ ► resolution change on a monitor on a computer. I want the watch to get that ability so that
01:11:03 ◼ ► it can scale up everything, complications, the faces, everything when you have a larger
01:11:15 ◼ ► size. I think that would be a great visual accommodation for people whose close-up vision
01:11:20 ◼ ► is not that good or whose vision in general is not that good because again dynamic text
01:11:30 ◼ ► almost anything on the watch face. So I would love to see that as an option. Again that
01:11:35 ◼ ► is a software thing but maybe it's requiring a certain GPU or whatever and of course the
01:11:40 ◼ ► rumored larger screens that might be coming might make that easier to pull off and make
01:11:52 ◼ ► they found a way to keep the blood oxygen sensor. This is not a sensor I use frequently
01:12:33 ◼ ► lose it but I just don't want to lose it like over Apple being BSE about patent licensing
01:12:39 ◼ ► and I understand we all hate patents and they tried so hard but you know you lost, let's
01:12:44 ◼ ► move on. The only other thing I'll get to for the hardware before we get to the screens
01:12:49 ◼ ► is I really really hope that the Apple Watch Series 10 supports Qi charging finally. Qi
01:12:57 ◼ ► 2 as a standard I believe accommodates small enough devices that I believe the Apple Watch
01:13:04 ◼ ► could be charged via Qi 2 if the watch wanted to support it. So I'm hoping, because again
01:13:18 ◼ ► one cable and one port for everything except the Apple Watch and so yeah you know you can
01:13:24 ◼ ► get like combo chargers that have like a special Apple Watch pad off to the side but you know
01:13:29 ◼ ► it's much more common, batteries and chargers and stuff that just have a Qi pad and USB-C
01:13:34 ◼ ► holes so I would love to just have Qi support. Let me buy a battery from Anker or whatever
01:13:40 ◼ ► on Amazon that has a USB-C output and a standard Qi pad and then I can put whatever I want
01:13:57 ◼ ► so I'm hoping for that. Now about the screen sizes on the watch, there's been all these
01:14:03 ◼ ► rumors that the watch regular series is growing, that there is going to be you know that basically
01:14:27 ◼ ► over time that Apple has done a really good job satisfying the market for smaller watches
01:14:32 ◼ ► way better than most of the smart watch makers have ever achieved it but watch fashion and
01:14:52 ◼ ► watches historically were very gendered so there were like certain sizes of like alright
01:14:59 ◼ ► are going to be this size range. Fortunately in the era of smart watches first of all a
01:15:09 ◼ ► you buy the small watch people don't say that's the women's version like it's just the small
01:15:12 ◼ ► watch and the big one women can wear it and no one's going to say you're wearing a man's
01:15:16 ◼ ► watch like thank god we've gotten rid of all that you know BS. Also since the smart watch
01:15:21 ◼ ► era has really taken off over the last decade demand for large watches has gone up and which
01:15:28 ◼ ► is funny because in the regular watch world like the mechanical watch world watches had
01:15:33 ◼ ► gotten very big then they kind of started going back a little bit they're actually getting
01:15:42 ◼ ► so many people bought the Apple Watch Ultra is not because they were going to be climbing
01:15:55 ◼ ► life bigger screen that's great for smart watches but also big watches are just in fashion
01:16:00 ◼ ► right now. Really huge smart watches are in style and most people that I see are not wearing
01:16:07 ◼ ► the small one anymore. I see a lot of people of a lot of different sizes and ages and I
01:16:18 ◼ ► at the smart watch market the the current quote big series 9 that's the one I wear that's
01:16:24 ◼ ► someone I think Casey probably should be wearing the big one relative to other smart watches
01:16:31 ◼ ► in the market is actually fairly medium-sized. Many other smart watches in the market are
01:16:35 ◼ ► actually significantly bigger. What the Ultra's success I think showed Apple and showed the
01:16:51 ◼ ► big big smart watches that is just in fashion right now. So if Apple is truly getting rid
01:17:11 ◼ ► at all. And I think people of all wrist sizes have been choosing bigger smart watches over
01:17:17 ◼ ► the last few years way more than they used to. So I think this is just Apple responding
01:17:21 ◼ ► to the market and wanting to serve where the demand actually is. They did the same thing
01:17:26 ◼ ► with phones and phone sizes growing over time this is that they're doing the same thing
01:17:30 ◼ ► with the watch. I think they're gonna raise the sizes of both of them and everybody will
01:17:36 ◼ ► complain about it for about a week and then we'll try them and be like oh this is nicer
01:17:54 ◼ ► All right let's do at least a little bit of Ask ATP if we can. PG&E Delenda Est. I love
01:18:00 ◼ ► people who provide these kooky usernames and no real names. Anyways Marco it's not even
01:18:05 ◼ ► Halloween for goodness sakes. Marco how hard is it to maintain server compatibility with
01:18:17 ◼ ► it's like something along the lines of API.overcast.fm/2/ you know endpoints? Okay. Yeah exactly. Did
01:18:23 ◼ ► I just ruin your answer then I'm sorry. No well so but well that is a good question though
01:18:34 ◼ ► it is to maintain server compatibility in general with old clients if you you know just
01:18:39 ◼ ► make a make a new copy of your API you know controller or functions or whatever and just
01:18:43 ◼ ► call this one like I'm currently on version 6. It's really not that bad. The main problem
01:18:48 ◼ ► comes when you have to do like significant changes to things like the server side schema
01:18:55 ◼ ► like how how your data is stored. I'm like so do you do you like building compatibility
01:18:59 ◼ ► layers how long do you keep those over time do certain problems occur when older versions
01:19:05 ◼ ► of the app sync that may be like clobber changes from the new versions and do you accommodate
01:19:09 ◼ ► that. Over time that complexity grows and how much you want to maintain it for a decreasing
01:19:25 ◼ ► The downside of doing that of course is you know Overcast is a server dependent app and
01:19:29 ◼ ► so if the servers stop supporting a certain client version that version of the app does
01:19:35 ◼ ► not work anymore. It will not get new updates you cannot add new podcast you cannot download
01:19:43 ◼ ► so I try not to do that until those clients are very old. In this case you know the the
01:19:57 ◼ ► to the server and vice versa has totally changed. It's way lighter on the servers it's way
01:20:03 ◼ ► more efficient the old protocol was very hard on the servers and so you would think I would
01:20:20 ◼ ► or two there's going to be a big chunk of those iOS 16 only people that fall off because
01:20:29 ◼ ► harder on the servers I don't have much incentive to end its support anytime soon because it's
01:20:43 ◼ ► multiple years because again there's just there's not much reason to end it yet eventually
01:20:47 ◼ ► there will be but the protocol is mostly what has changed not the data storage layer and
01:21:08 ◼ ► way easier to do on the client or I can offer better features if I do a client-side. So
01:21:12 ◼ ► for instance the the current test flight build I have fixed a problem with the episode limit
01:21:20 ◼ ► not being enforced. I've had this option forever of like you know you can you can limit a podcast
01:21:24 ◼ ► only keep the latest you know one or two or five episodes of that podcast. This feature
01:21:36 ◼ ► tricky and problematic and that has been enforced server-side to date. This new test flight
01:21:42 ◼ ► build enforces a client-side and that's part of why it's fixed for a lot of people because
01:21:47 ◼ ► doing it server-side because there's all sorts of differences I'll get into a very brief
01:22:08 ◼ ► a new podcast that has a thousand episodes in it back in its feed you subscribe you now
01:22:23 ◼ ► thousand and one rows in a table most of which have all zeros in them and then you know you
01:22:28 ◼ ► have then that latest one you can mark that as your progress or your plate or whatever.
01:22:33 ◼ ► On the server if I added a thousand rows to the table that keeps track of everyone's status
01:22:45 ◼ ► take way more space and be way heavier and way more expensive to host and you know more
01:22:50 ◼ ► servers larger backups like everything data size affects cost substantially so that would
01:23:03 ◼ ► assume that the state of everything that precedes your subscription in that in that feed is
01:23:13 ◼ ► precedes your subscription to a new podcast if you then go back and listen to an old one
01:23:18 ◼ ► that of course I insert that row but I have this these all these optimizations in place
01:23:32 ◼ ► it's been so tricky to get it right server side. Couple years ago I even let people opt
01:23:38 ◼ ► into a beta of a new way to handle it because I thought I finally had nailed it and taken
01:23:43 ◼ ► care of all those cases and all the edges and all the weirdness that somehow would still
01:23:48 ◼ ► be efficient and would still not store nearly as much as it had to I tried so many different
01:23:52 ◼ ► ways to do this and I never got it quite right. So with the new way that the new app talks
01:23:59 ◼ ► to the servers I've developed yet more issues with doing that server side so what I'm going
01:24:11 ◼ ► side because again client side it's way easier to do the client has no I don't care if I
01:24:22 ◼ ► the database when you subscribe to a feed because it's just keeping it locally it doesn't
01:24:26 ◼ ► I don't care it's a SQLite database it's super light so the client can do perfect limiting
01:24:31 ◼ ► because it has perfect information whereas the server is simulating perfect information
01:24:35 ◼ ► with a bunch of optimizations. So anyway so what I plan to do is move that logic entirely
01:24:40 ◼ ► to the client with the next release and then over time eventually tell the server to stop
01:24:45 ◼ ► even trying to do that to stop enforcing episode limits at all because that will make a lot
01:24:49 ◼ ► of things easier it'll reduce this bug potential in the app and you don't want the server trying
01:24:57 ◼ ► have the server stop enforcing that completely when that happens if you are still say on
01:25:03 ◼ ► an old client if all of your overcast devices that you're logged into if none of them have
01:25:12 ◼ ► things won't get automatically deleted once they pass that limit and so things like that
01:25:18 ◼ ► like kind of weird drift will start happening if you're still using a very old version of
01:25:22 ◼ ► the API that's another reason why like eventually it does make sense to retire them because
01:25:26 ◼ ► if they start like producing weird conditions or like things that could cause bugs for other
01:25:31 ◼ ► clients you know you gotta retire them then or find a way to limit them but for the most
01:25:42 ◼ ► side feature set is fairly fixed I don't intend to really do much more server side unless
01:25:49 ◼ ► we've into things like you know transcriptions but that's that's a whole other bag of worms
01:25:54 ◼ ► because of all that I expect the iOS 16 API to still work for a long time to answer your
01:26:01 ◼ ► Mark Robinson writes when a podcast says follow us on Apple podcasts it really helps the show
01:26:14 ◼ ► listening through overcast doesn't do anything to affect Apple podcasts or its rankings because
01:26:18 ◼ ► Apple podcast does not know that you're listening in overcast if you subscribe to a podcast
01:26:23 ◼ ► in Apple podcasts Apple does register that in some way and it does help the show it helps
01:26:30 ◼ ► the show mainly in ranking it higher and possibly helping it get on certain top lists or ranked
01:26:40 ◼ ► I think they're using this less in the sense that they are they're doing more kind of you
01:26:45 ◼ ► know things you might like type of recommendations rather than top list of new new and noteworthy
01:27:01 ◼ ► possibly at some times I think that was actually the only signal that would feed into like
01:27:17 ◼ ► those kind of metrics in overcast that are global like that because it tends to reinforce
01:27:24 ◼ ► like the rich get richer so I've kind of I've moved away from most of those over time but
01:27:31 ◼ ► I but that is as far as I know that is still part of how Apple podcasts does recommendations
01:27:41 ◼ ► who support us directly you can join us atb.fm/join one of the member perks is ATP overtime a
01:27:47 ◼ ► bonus topic every week just for members this week's overtime we're talking about AI angst
01:27:54 ◼ ► there is some some tricky things going on with the AI world including author suing anthropic
01:28:01 ◼ ► and some drama over at NaNoWriMo where you're talking about both those things in ATP overtime
01:28:20 ◼ ► it was accidental John didn't do any research Marco and Casey wouldn't let him because it was
01:28:30 ◼ ► accidental it was accidental and you can find the show notes at ATP.fm and if you're into Mastodon
01:28:42 ◼ ► you can follow them at c-a-s-e-y-l-i-s-s so that's Casey Lis m-a-r-c-o-a-r-m-n-t Marco Arman s-i-r-a-c-u-s-a-s-i-r-a-c-u-s-a it's accidental, it's accidental, they didn't mean too accidental, accidental.
01:29:14 ◼ ► I'm not having a good time in neutral land right now battery fault yes so remember when that battery
01:29:25 ◼ ► fault message popped up about a about a month ago oh I do and I can't believe you haven't gotten the
01:29:30 ◼ ► car serviced yet and I said at the time I I'll get it serviced as soon as I'm back off the beach for
01:29:36 ◼ ► the you know for the school year it's gonna be a pain in the butt and go you know driving all the
01:29:40 ◼ ► way to Brooklyn for the Rivian service center so I'm gonna send you two photos in a sequence here
01:29:47 ◼ ► into the slack group and I'll try to put them as chapter I say that this this this whole deal like
01:29:51 ◼ ► with EVs we don't have an established culture the way we do with internal combustion engine cars
01:29:58 ◼ ► about the various level of severity of things that can happen and I know the culture is not
01:30:04 ◼ ► consistent you'll know people who drive their car with a check engine light on forever and ever but
01:30:08 ◼ ► most people who know something about cars if the check engine light comes on it's a sign that you
01:30:13 ◼ ► should do something not like I'll do it in a few I'll look at it in a few months it's probably
01:30:17 ◼ ► fine maybe it's fine or maybe your engines about to blow up right whereas with EVs they all have
01:30:21 ◼ ► their own error messages their own things and there's no sort of universal equivalent of like
01:30:25 ◼ ► you know a light on the dashboard that we know these ones are serious you know oil pressure
01:30:31 ◼ ► drops to zero stop the car you know I mean like things that I know about internal combustion with
01:30:35 ◼ ► EVs it's like I don't know is that bad is a battery fault bad right and especially a battery fault
01:30:41 ◼ ► that only shows up when doing DC fast charging on a highway and then I reboot the car a couple times
01:30:45 ◼ ► and it doesn't show up anymore like okay I guess it's fixed right like you don't you don't you don't
01:30:50 ◼ ► have any like like a frame of reference for how how seriously should I take this since I last
01:30:55 ◼ ► reported on that I have developed a few additional problems I know so I mentioned you know the the
01:31:01 ◼ ► dramatically increased wind noise since getting the body shop to replace the side which admittedly
01:31:06 ◼ ► that's probably the body shops fault but there was wind noise before they did their work also
01:31:09 ◼ ► there was just a little bit less of it but so you know wind noise I got to get them to fix that I
01:31:14 ◼ ► had an increasing incidence of what seems like the auto steer system crashing no not literally
01:31:23 ◼ ► thank God but I guess poor choice of words but the auto steer sometimes will just turn off and
01:31:29 ◼ ► make a bunch of noise and it will say highway assist system failure that sounds like it crashed
01:31:37 ◼ ► to me but or some sensor broke so I have to have them look at that also I can no longer move the
01:31:45 ◼ ► seat of the car the driver's seat does not move unless I am switching between the two profiles
01:31:53 ◼ ► the tip profile and the me profile hope you hope you're happy with the profiles yeah it will not
01:31:58 ◼ ► move like none of the adjustments work it is just stuck like it refuses any other adjustment besides
01:32:04 ◼ ► the profile switches so if I wanted to like you know I only put it up a little bit nope can't do
01:32:08 ◼ ► that if anybody else needs to drive my car too bad if I need to move the seat back to like to
01:32:12 ◼ ► get something out from under it nope too bad which to me that might that's actually probably
01:32:18 ◼ ► like a safety issue that I should probably get fixed pretty immediately and finally I barely
01:32:27 ◼ ► have air conditioning the air conditioning it has almost completely gone out it blows very weak air
01:32:33 ◼ ► and goes through lots of times when it the fam will just like kind of slow down and it'll blow
01:32:39 ◼ ► totally hot air and then it'll go back eventually and blow slightly cold air but it's bad like today
01:32:47 ◼ ► was only in the high 70s and it couldn't keep up it was not a hot day and it could not keep up and
01:32:54 ◼ ► it was blowing warm air most of the time so the air conditioning I basically have no air conditioning
01:32:59 ◼ ► or I have almost no air conditioning so I created a support ticket in there and you know the way you
01:33:05 ◼ ► get service from Rivian is you go to their app and you like report your problems you can attach
01:33:10 ◼ ► photos and whatever else so I created the support ticket with all these issues I do find it very
01:33:15 ◼ ► funny that apparently when you add five issues to a ticket it says at the bottom you've reached
01:33:22 ◼ ► the max number of issues please submit these and start a new request so my car says otherwise I
01:33:28 ◼ ► right so I've reached the maximum number of problems with my Rivian that I can put in one
01:33:33 ◼ ► on one service request so I thought okay well you know maybe I maybe I get in the service center
01:33:39 ◼ ► within the next couple of weeks you know get get this done I have I'm a little scared because I
01:33:44 ◼ ► have heard that this level three charging battery problem I've found a couple of forum threads people
01:33:50 ◼ ► said it took them like months to figure it out so I'm not loving that but we haven't gotten there
01:33:55 ◼ ► and we'll see what happens so okay maybe I can get in the service center you know again maybe a week
01:34:00 ◼ ► or two there was the next screen which I'll send you now these were the first available appointments
01:34:06 ◼ ► oh no oh that's not good at all the first available Rivian appointment in my entire region of New York
01:34:17 ◼ ► is ten weeks from now November 13th that's that's undesirable yes so and and I checked like there
01:34:30 ◼ ► there's a couple other like Rivian service centers that are like you know a hundred months and it's
01:34:35 ◼ ► no better it's the same I like they're all out to November you should check Richmond I bet there's
01:34:40 ◼ ► not a lot here I am not happy right now like I I'm starting to fall out of love with owning a first
01:34:53 ◼ ► version car rapidly and I knew when I bought it I'm like this is the first version of the R1s maybe
01:35:00 ◼ ► I'll have some problems I don't think I fully appreciated how much this sucks that I now feel
01:35:07 ◼ ► like my car is unreliable in some pretty key areas and is losing things like air conditioning like I
01:35:14 ◼ ► pretty sure we solved that problem a long time ago but no air conditioning also broken as well as the
01:35:21 ◼ ► seat being too smart to move I am really tired of beta testing cars whatever my next car is I think
01:35:29 ◼ ► it's first of all I think it might be sooner than I expect but second of all I think I just want to
01:35:35 ◼ ► get something from a regular car company again like an established car company that like I'm just
01:35:39 ◼ ► I'm tired of the the flux and I think even though I love the features of this car in a lot of other
01:35:46 ◼ ► ways this rapidly erases those gains in my head like having to deal with service especially dealing
01:35:53 ◼ ► with bad service like what this is turning out to be to make a good car ownership experience yeah
01:35:59 ◼ ► the car needs to be good it also needs to have almost no problems during ownership especially
01:36:04 ◼ ► when they're new they really this car is a year old it should not be having any of these problems
01:36:08 ◼ ► let alone all of these problems after one year a car mostly shouldn't have problems in its first
01:36:13 ◼ ► few years besides the basics of like you know maintain the very basics of the car like the
01:36:18 ◼ ► brakes and the windshield wipers and stuff like that in the tires and that that should be all you
01:36:21 ◼ ► have to do for a car in the first couple of years and so you shouldn't have these problems at all
01:36:26 ◼ ► but if you do have problems you need the service and servicing infrastructure to be there and to be
01:36:30 ◼ ► near you like this is already you know having to drive to Brooklyn like it's driving to the
01:36:35 ◼ ► service center will take me an hour and a half on a good day like and and and I'm and I'm in like the
01:36:39 ◼ ► worst part of Brooklyn where there's nothing around it's all warehouses and it's terrible
01:36:44 ◼ ► and like God knows how many times I'm going to have to do that too so it's already like a rough
01:36:49 ◼ ► service situation and you know to to have service then be backed all the way out ten weeks when you
01:36:55 ◼ ► when you ask for it like that's I I'm going back to a regular car company like I can't but what
01:37:02 ◼ ► would you bought like no argument and and I am disappointed by this just peripherally because
01:37:07 ◼ ► you were so in love with that car when you first got it yes and as much as I will always and forever
01:37:13 ◼ ► make fun of the god-awful color choice you made like it was is a great car but I don't think you
01:37:19 ◼ ► have a lot of really good options especially for a battery electric vehicle now if you wanted to go
01:37:24 ◼ ► back to like a Range Rover Land Cruiser whatever the hell it was you had before then then maybe
01:37:29 ◼ ► but if you're trying to go battery electric what could you possibly get I was gonna say when when
01:37:34 ◼ ► the Land Rover is the more reliable option you know you're in trouble yeah for real I think I'd be
01:37:39 ◼ ► looking probably at like probably BMW again or maybe even Polestar but that's that's also a
01:37:45 ◼ ► little bit too new I think I think I would have the same problems with Polestar but what what of
01:37:49 ◼ ► these cars like I don't think there's anything battery electric that either these companies sell
01:37:53 ◼ ► that would that would work for the beach right I'm going to shortly stop needing that because I'm
01:37:58 ◼ ► going to shortly stop qualifying for my permit and lose the permit that's a bummer it is getting
01:38:04 ◼ ► regular cars then you don't have to get these stupid SUVs anymore that's right right so I I
01:38:09 ◼ ► that's why I like I might be in the market you know maybe in six months or something I might be
01:38:13 ◼ ► in the market for something that is smaller and or at least like you know one of the options I
01:38:21 ◼ ► looking at the BMW ix which I think is actually a very attractive option not it's not not an
01:38:25 ◼ ► attractive vehicle but it is it's a very attractive option looking at that looking at you know there's
01:38:31 ◼ ► you know Hyundai stuff there's no Volvo stuff there's there's a bunch of things many of them
01:38:37 ◼ ► have the first year problem or like the first couple of years problem and again I just I I think
01:38:42 ◼ ► I'd be looking at maybe something a little more established the really sad thing is I really would
01:38:48 ◼ ► not I don't think buy a Tesla right now like for lots of political reasons that just feels very bad
01:38:53 ◼ ► to me but I see why people do because when you look at the numbers of just like how much range
01:38:59 ◼ ► does it offer and then what are you paying to get that car Tesla is still way ahead of everybody
01:39:07 ◼ ► like their cars get such longer range than almost everyone except Lucid they claim they claim longer
01:39:14 ◼ ► range but they're they're also one of the most distant from their claims so I would if you're
01:39:19 ◼ ► just looking at this the still but I had Tesla's yeah they're they're a little BS you know but
01:39:23 ◼ ► that they're their cars out there now that are claiming less than Tesla they just get the same
01:39:27 ◼ ► range right so you can't go by the numbers that are on the package sure but yeah I think I'm gonna
01:39:33 ◼ ► like well let me see I mean let me see what happened with with the Rivian but like I like I
01:39:39 ◼ ► feel like I can't depend on it take like I'm gonna take a long trip soon and I feel like can I
01:39:44 ◼ ► dependent to get there I'm gonna get there without air conditioning but you know which is it's already
01:39:49 ◼ ► a problem and I probably can't have any other place service it because it's probably all special
01:39:54 ◼ ► and proprietary and like so like I can anybody else replace the air conditioning whatever I
01:39:58 ◼ ► probably not so like I don't know this is why like I'm getting I'm falling off the Rivian train
01:40:04 ◼ ► really fast right now because it like I'm having all these problems pile up over the last couple
01:40:08 ◼ ► of months that are now going to be difficult to get fixed like that's not not happy you got to
01:40:14 ◼ ► wait to get all this fixed before you can even like trade in or resell this thing probably too
01:40:17 ◼ ► well I wouldn't do a private sale I would do like you know a dealer thing or something but yeah I
01:40:28 ◼ ► don't know I anyway so there might be some turbulence there in the next few months we'll
01:40:32 ◼ ► see hopefully hopefully I can last longer than that I'm really sorry to hear that in what you
01:40:37 ◼ ► said a moment ago that you're not sure if it can reliably get you to your destination yeah because
01:40:42 ◼ ► it almost didn't I was almost stranded on the last trip I took yeah no argument the moment any of my
01:40:48 ◼ ► cars have gotten to that point where it's not it's no longer an inconvenience but a genuine concern
01:40:53 ◼ ► that you might not make it the moment that happens I'm out I need a new car in or even if it's a new
01:41:01 ◼ ► used car that's fine but I need something different because I cannot well maybe cannot as bit
01:41:07 ◼ ► dramatic but I refuse to be in a situation that if I need to get somewhere in my car I am rolling
01:41:13 ◼ ► the dice with more than you know you always are as to whether or not I'll actually get there and
01:41:18 ◼ ► at that point I'm out so if you're me you're already looking for something new and it doesn't
01:41:23 ◼ ► even matter if you can get this into a service center before November it's it's already it the
01:41:28 ◼ ► nails in the coffin you're done honestly I mean unfortunately like if that happens I got the early
01:41:33 ◼ ► pre-order pricing on it so like I actually like I looked up like you know roughly what the resale
01:41:37 ◼ ► value of it would be and like I would not be losing that much at all from what I paid a year
01:41:41 ◼ ► ago so it actually would not be that bad but honestly I'm thinking that direction because
01:41:45 ◼ ► like like I saw I'm drunk in three days I'm driving a few hundred miles upstate I can't
01:41:52 ◼ ► really take Tiff's i3 conveniently also she needs it like she's not coming I'm driving to go see
01:41:57 ◼ ► goose in concert so there's no way Tiff's going to that anyway so I'm driving a few hundred miles in
01:42:04 ◼ ► three days and I need my car to work and that's like to already know that okay I'm not gonna have
01:42:10 ◼ ► any air conditioning probably on the trip that's that sucks enough but like to not even know like
01:42:15 ◼ ► when I have to plug in somewhere like am I is it gonna charge maybe is something else gonna go
01:42:20 ◼ ► wrong with it maybe like I I don't know I'm I'm feeling very bad about this right now yeah you
01:42:26 ◼ ► know honestly if it were me there is no question I would be going and renting a car and I know it
01:42:33 ◼ ► I thought about that I might do I know it turns your stomach to think about well probably renting
01:42:38 ◼ ► a car but I know it turns your stomach to consider a gasoline automobile but it is okay to slum it
01:42:44 ◼ ► with us regular humans for the purpose of one weekend that's 100% what I would do one of the
01:42:49 ◼ ► one of the latest Honda hybrids I think you might enjoy those because Honda finally switched to the
01:42:55 ◼ ► system where basically the gasoline engine is charging the battery and the batteries running
01:42:59 ◼ ► the electric motor that turns the wheels most of the time and that will be a more familiar
01:43:04 ◼ ► experience to you oh it feels like a not very fast EV most of the time with some additional
01:43:09 ◼ ► noise that I don't understand you might like it why would I want that because it'll be reliable
01:43:14 ◼ ► and it'll get you there and it'll get better mileage than a plain old gas car you have 15
01:43:19 ◼ ► by 50 miles per gallon in a Honda that you can get fixed anywhere that will get you to your
01:43:23 ◼ ► destination no matter what I don't think you need to buy anything but I do think you need to rent
01:43:27 ◼ ► something for this trip to go see goose that's honestly I was I'm thinking about renting something
01:43:31 ◼ ► but like that to rent a car for it's you know I'm gonna be gone for like three four days it's that's
01:43:36 ◼ ► like you know six hundred dollars I'm like it's it's not a small amount of money it no it's not
01:43:41 ◼ ► that bad at all we were in New York it might be well okay that's fair we rented a minivan for a
01:43:45 ◼ ► week and I think it was like three or four hundred bucks and that was a week and it was unlimited
01:43:50 ◼ ► miles etc etc now granted we are in Podunk Richmond Virginia we are not in effectively New York City
01:43:56 ◼ ► but I think it'd be more affordable than you expect if you're willing to slum it with a regular human
01:44:00 ◼ ► car rather than some like Tesla or some other weirdo be EV or something like that yeah you do
01:44:07 ◼ ► obviously you do you you're you're a grown-up you're a grown-ass man but that's what I would do
01:44:11 ◼ ► I think like you know I certainly feel like a fool I felt like a fool like you know driving around a
01:44:16 ◼ ► dented truck for you know a few months or whatever or weeks whatever it was I would feel extra
01:44:22 ◼ ► foolish renting a car because I can't trust mine to drive a few hundred miles reliably and no I
01:44:27 ◼ ► wouldn't feel foolish about that personally I get what you're saying and I think foolish is not the
01:44:33 ◼ ► word I would use I would feel dejected that it's gotten to this point feel foolish at all you're
01:44:38 ◼ ► doing you're doing what you can to make what is what should be an enjoyable weekend enjoyable and
01:44:43 ◼ ► I love you like a brother well no in a better way than that I love you but I don't think it's a far
01:44:50 ◼ ► stretch for you to throw money to fix it to throw money at a problem to fix it so I think this is
01:44:55 ◼ ► right in your wheelhouse this is what I would do yeah but what's it then like when I have to drive
01:44:59 ◼ ► to Thanksgiving in you know about 11 weeks what's future Marcos problem and then Christmas after
01:45:06 ◼ ► that and like I need my car to work I need like I can't I'm so I'm like I'm unreasonably angry at
01:45:15 ◼ ► this review experience right now I think I'm I'm not doing you favors because I'm wholeheartedly
01:45:20 ◼ ► in agreement with you it's time to sell the car like unless you can get it fixed by some miracle
01:45:25 ◼ ► in the next week or two and you don't have a series of further problems it's time to sell the
01:45:29 ◼ ► car full stop like I hate that I hate that that's the case because I was there with you I saw with
01:45:36 ◼ ► my eyes how happy that car made you it's even after I broke it for the first of what turned out
01:45:41 ◼ ► to be many times I saw how happy that car made you it does not give me pleasure to say this to you
01:45:47 ◼ ► this is not the normal like ATP ribbing like I genuinely think is your friend you need to sell
01:45:52 ◼ ► that car because it is it is forever tainted it has its scarlet letter it is forever tainted in
01:45:57 ◼ ► you and I don't blame you I don't blame you at all you can always get version two of that car
01:46:01 ◼ ► where they consolidated the 17 control units down to two or whatever no that's true too it's
01:46:06 ◼ ► it's an option maybe the colors are so much worse now I'm coming back to ATP ribbing are they really
01:46:14 ◼ ► worse Marco are they really all right well I'm sorry please keep us updated with how this turns
01:46:20 ◼ ► out both in a friendly way and because I think it'll be good for the show way yeah that's main