The Accidental Tech Podcast

118: A Fistful of Apple Watches


00:00:00   so I hear you here really like new iMacs these days huh so it's a follow-up [TS]

00:00:05   strike is he just wanted to tell us about marathon running mail a show we [TS]

00:00:11   talked about what what you might want out of the watch if you're using it to [TS]

00:00:17   do not just a distracting in terms of how much am i moving kind of fitness but [TS]

00:00:21   more serious how far by runaway by Ronnie mentioned GPS being superior like [TS]

00:00:29   a dedicated as dedicated bigger would you ask things being speared you just [TS]

00:00:33   watch because the watches and how many GBS and wrote in to say that his [TS]

00:00:37   experience with the Apple watch as a run there are not great even when the phone [TS]

00:00:41   is with them says the AP quality watches ability to track depends on how you hold [TS]

00:00:46   your phone if you hold your phone in your hand or wear it on your arm as a [TS]

00:00:49   very good job you are in your waist then under measures Iran by about 5% of [TS]

00:00:53   course terrible fear a serious runner you wanna know exactly how far you r and [TS]

00:00:56   so he goes on to say that he and his wife yesss that we really liked the [TS]

00:01:05   ability to watch give us we can control our songs and podcast receiving send [TS]

00:01:09   child care related messages of that fear dropping off on the cement and it is a [TS]

00:01:12   grocery store on their route they could take that apple pays they can use their [TS]

00:01:15   wives to pay for things there as a result you know they're they're annoyed [TS]

00:01:19   by the watches inability to accurately track their runs because they don't like [TS]

00:01:22   to wear their their phone on their arm or holding their hand but they do like [TS]

00:01:27   all the other abilities so right now they're running with two arches the [TS]

00:01:30   Apple Blossom one hand and the Garmin GPS thing on the other and says you [TS]

00:01:34   can't wear them on the same risk because they literally press each other's [TS]

00:01:37   buttons so this is not this would not be like featured in an ad for I guess for [TS]

00:01:42   the Apple ID showing someone running with their Garmin GPS watch and the [TS]

00:01:46   Apple watch but clearly this is the current reality for bill people were [TS]

00:01:50   really serious about exactly tracking their runs but it's interesting that [TS]

00:01:53   happened watch has tagged along for the ride for its other abilities and even [TS]

00:01:58   like the minor ones like well I just bring your phone with you then you can [TS]

00:02:01   text [TS]

00:02:01   child care related things or whatever but you need to bring the watch what you [TS]

00:02:05   want to bring the big phone and so you bring much just you can have a slightly [TS]

00:02:09   smaller thing that you don't have to carry that you can text from and it [TS]

00:02:12   seems like that is enough of a use case to get that watch to come on board for [TS]

00:02:16   their own phone has to be with them in order to send and receive the messages [TS]

00:02:22   but yeah I got to imagine that doing so from the watch for simple things a lot [TS]

00:02:26   easier than getting your phone out of whatever holster like contraption [TS]

00:02:30   then you can just put it somewhere where it's like a mini could be in a backpack [TS]

00:02:34   or anything like it doesn't have to be accessible in the whole idea of worrying [TS]

00:02:37   about dropping it while you're running you do because I don't know how good [TS]

00:02:40   people could you get a phone out of your shorts pockets while you run out of a [TS]

00:02:44   holster thing and I don't worry about looking down at you think maybe we'll do [TS]

00:02:48   you think is most shorts pocket or so ridiculously shallow especially athletic [TS]

00:02:51   shorts your phone will just naturally almost falling out of it all the time [TS]

00:02:54   anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to get it out of your pocket interior [TS]

00:02:58   exactly hopefully it's alright well it's funny to hear this feedback I am NOT a [TS]

00:03:06   particularly serious runner in fact I haven't ran in a long time and I should [TS]

00:03:11   probably be shamed for that however it's odd because the feedback i've seen [TS]

00:03:17   through Twitter and in various websites what not everything i've seen has said [TS]

00:03:22   that the watch was eerily accurate now again I can't really speak to this one [TS]

00:03:27   way or the other but this is the first piece of feedback that I have come [TS]

00:03:32   across that said that the watch wasn't if not very close [TS]

00:03:35   eerily close so in all fairness Apple did just released a software update that [TS]

00:03:40   was after this email came in that allegedly improves this and also gives [TS]

00:03:44   instructions the first time you launch the workout app that you should you [TS]

00:03:48   should do like a basic 20 minute walk with your iPhone present with the watch [TS]

00:03:53   but the kind of calibrated with this complaint is about even when you have [TS]

00:04:00   the phone with you he saying compared to his garment that the phone is [TS]

00:04:03   is under measuring if the phone is on your waist if the phone is on your armor [TS]

00:04:08   in your hand it's fine but if the phone is on your waist that under measuring by [TS]

00:04:11   five percent maybe the software update helps us because it's this feedback was [TS]

00:04:14   from before the software update I don't know what else to have this from [TS]

00:04:19   Christopher and he gives one more reason the runners and cyclists won a cellular [TS]

00:04:24   radio on their watch the system and get on the phone is in case they get injured [TS]

00:04:28   and can't get back from wherever they are so if you run or bike long distances [TS]

00:04:31   and halfway through your journey something happened that you can no [TS]

00:04:34   longer run to you twist your ankle or something or your bike brakes are you [TS]

00:04:39   get hit by car something you want to be able to contact someone to come get you [TS]

00:04:43   or call 911 or whatever and you can't do that with your watch if you don't have [TS]

00:04:47   your phone and I mean that's a really good reason but that sounds like you're [TS]

00:04:51   gonna be doing something like that in a remote area just how he should probably [TS]

00:04:56   bring your phone no I mean you know what what would it take for you to leave [TS]

00:05:00   either your phone at home and in for people who want to leave their phone at [TS]

00:05:04   home I can imagine people are doing athletic activities every little bit you [TS]

00:05:07   know you have a strapped you're on your way so whatever it is it's kind of [TS]

00:05:10   annoying that it adds up so what would it take her serious runners and cyclists [TS]

00:05:14   leave their phone home it sounds like you know more accurate tracking of where [TS]

00:05:20   you are so maybe GPS and at the very least some ability to do like a 911 call [TS]

00:05:26   or something or that guy you know a single call home or something like that [TS]

00:05:30   cell radio so we're not there yet but then several more generations this will [TS]

00:05:36   be possible that's what we've been saying about Max or cellular radios that [TS]

00:05:39   we haven't seen that quite yet it's totally possible right now we're there [TS]

00:05:43   it is possible it hasn't happened but it's possible yes I think at this point [TS]

00:05:46   it's pretty clear that Apple just does not think they need to put some radios [TS]

00:05:51   and maximize the date they could have so long ago and there been so many [TS]

00:05:54   opportunities to it's very clear that they just want you to use the phone [TS]

00:05:58   tethering feature that I think you're somebody to do the automatic thing were [TS]

00:06:02   detected in the bluetooth menu sometimes even when it did not detected you could [TS]

00:06:07   still use it but that's their solution is tethering with just like we should be [TS]

00:06:10   glad that they didn't decide the way you connect the iPhone iPad to a cell [TS]

00:06:14   network as you type [TS]

00:06:15   like why did that one happened to get the cell radio they could have just said [TS]

00:06:18   you know what all cell radio communication if you buy a prize goes [TS]

00:06:23   through your out by your iPhone I must be Apple's own see what you don't have [TS]

00:06:27   made up your mind in the names but they didn't have the iPad apps already too [TS]

00:06:32   but no max alright what's tell us about what's going on in India this from [TS]

00:06:37   Akshay and it is about the size of the world's India's biggest online retailer [TS]

00:06:43   planning two Go app only this goes back to our conversation about Facebook [TS]

00:06:48   instant articles and Marcos doomsaying about the future of the web here is an [TS]

00:06:54   online retailer saying that they're just not gonna have a website anymore I guess [TS]

00:06:58   this place is called Flipkart and it's from these articles is going to move to [TS]

00:07:03   an appt only format within a year under their VP says a year ago six percent of [TS]

00:07:08   our traffic was coming from mobile and in less than 18 months that traffic is [TS]

00:07:11   tenfold so that sixty [TS]

00:07:14   madame had it seems premature maybe a six percent of your traffic is coming [TS]

00:07:19   from haps to say by the end of the year ago hundred-percent app I don't know if [TS]

00:07:24   they're going to tear down their website but maybe this is not just some random [TS]

00:07:26   place doing this for publicity this is a store with more than 40 million [TS]

00:07:31   registered users and 30,000 merchants selling twenty million products and is a [TS]

00:07:36   big place this is a big star the fact that they're planning on even trying to [TS]

00:07:40   go out only shows that how much things have changed I don't think Amazon's [TS]

00:07:45   going up only anytime soon but I don't know about you as well I shop maybe I'm [TS]

00:07:49   just an old fogey and when I shop online I the APIs sometimes good if I know [TS]

00:07:54   exactly what I want but I always feel like I'm getting more of a cut-down [TS]

00:07:57   experience even even on the big iPhone sex may be in six-plus it wouldn't be [TS]

00:08:01   able to cut down but I i want to go to the actual website and frequently I want [TS]

00:08:06   to have a big screen so I can have multiple tabs in multiple windows to [TS]

00:08:09   compare this product to that product and so on and so forth [TS]

00:08:11   I can feel constrained when doing anything serious like price comparisons [TS]

00:08:16   and shopping and looking for things from a mobile device so I hope to help states [TS]

00:08:21   around a little longer because they really don't like buying things on my [TS]

00:08:24   phone [TS]

00:08:24   yeah I agree I don't shop [TS]

00:08:27   me one single retailer often enough to justify installing an app except maybe [TS]

00:08:32   Amazon and I recently installed the Amazon app on Flickr member why but I [TS]

00:08:38   believe I've deleted it from my devices because I hate using it I much rather go [TS]

00:08:43   to the website even on in like an iPad I'd much rather be on the website for [TS]

00:08:47   these reasons he said John that I feel like I'm getting a kind of neutered [TS]

00:08:51   experience on the Amazon app that for all I know that could be patently untrue [TS]

00:08:56   but that's what it feels like to me and one way or the other I just don't see [TS]

00:09:01   the point in having a nap that's really just a need a front-end for a website it [TS]

00:09:06   when it comes to shopping and you could make the same arguments like Instagram [TS]

00:09:09   and things like that but for shopping I'd much rather use the Website the only [TS]

00:09:16   exception that I can think of is the at Apple Store app which I keep on my phone [TS]

00:09:23   mostly for the rare occasions and going into the Apple Store for things like [TS]

00:09:26   easy steel or whatever they call it and in for the rare occasions that I decide [TS]

00:09:31   to buy watches that I swore up and down I wouldn't buy but I don't know Mark [TS]

00:09:35   ODU's [TS]

00:09:36   Store apps are you a web kind of guy so I'm kind of halfway between you old [TS]

00:09:42   fogies and the rest of the world I have also put you in as one particular way [TS]

00:09:51   I'm a little bit closer to the rest of the world that you got it sounds like so [TS]

00:09:54   get off my lawn [TS]

00:09:55   exactly so I i have the Amazon app in the Apple Store app I don't have any [TS]

00:10:01   others [TS]

00:10:01   44 stores but I do by a lot from Amazon and you know the Apple app is great [TS]

00:10:06   because their online store isn't really that much better than the app in some [TS]

00:10:12   ways to worse and somewhat slower the app is always the fastest way to [TS]

00:10:15   pre-order hardware at 3 a.m. when they do the new releases and stuff such ideas [TS]

00:10:20   awesome etcetera the Amazon app is different but the Amazon app I didn't [TS]

00:10:26   install it I've been buying almost everything that i buy from Amazon for [TS]

00:10:30   years and I only installed the app about six months ago but I've actually got [TS]

00:10:36   into using it I i dont usually place orders from the Apple is like refilling [TS]

00:10:41   already that already know that I is good I want to go out of dishwasher detergent [TS]

00:10:46   ok whatever but I do frequently use the app to add things to my card without [TS]

00:10:53   actually completing a Buy process so it kind of like as a reminder of advocacy [TS]

00:10:57   for later kind of thing I like about him like like the other day on outside oh [TS]

00:11:01   let me look up I keep trying to buy pressure washer detergent so let me let [TS]

00:11:06   me look at just add one to my car and go back later when I order something on [TS]

00:11:10   Amazon next probably can be within a couple of weeks then I'll see it and I [TS]

00:11:14   have to go you know finish this research and by this or don't buy this so it is [TS]

00:11:18   nice for that all people to chat with all these abilities about like scanning [TS]

00:11:22   barcodes in the real world and comparing 7 I i don't i don't have that yet maybe [TS]

00:11:27   in the future but I i disappointed after furthermore I i think you know us saying [TS]

00:11:34   oh well we don't really buy things in the Aves we prefer to buy things in the [TS]

00:11:38   website steps that's kind of like people saying well you know I don't like to buy [TS]

00:11:41   things on the internet looking at maybe then go to a store and buy them i dont i [TS]

00:11:47   dont have my credit card on the internet if you look something up in the yellow [TS]

00:11:50   pages like it just it's I think it's the opposite because we it's the opposite [TS]

00:11:55   its more like the Droid is when the power users complain that all the power [TS]

00:12:00   user features they want to go away but it really doesn't matter because the [TS]

00:12:02   restaurant similar product and what I'm I'm anyway complaining about is there [TS]

00:12:07   are features available outside that aren't available in the App that I use [TS]

00:12:10   and maybe most people don't use them and that's why i think its not analogous to [TS]

00:12:14   like you know I'm not ready for the future I want to buy things in store [TS]

00:12:17   instead of online because in that case the online experience gained more [TS]

00:12:20   experience more features than the in person with you can shop and do all that [TS]

00:12:24   stuff when you're a physical store all you can do is look at what's there and [TS]

00:12:27   like the example what kind of future and I talked about so recently about swim [TS]

00:12:31   things for my kids I did it had no specifics one thing in mind that I want [TS]

00:12:35   to do so I want to see a lot of reviews and you can see they were using the [TS]

00:12:38   mobile app you can see more on the website and it's easier to have a [TS]

00:12:41   separate window with just your views and look at them and trying to find a theme [TS]

00:12:45   that you wanted eventually get it and their size like 12345 [TS]

00:12:49   have no idea 12345 mean and so then I wanna look at the little answer [TS]

00:12:52   questions and answers and Allison added a few years ago someone saying hey how [TS]

00:12:55   do I find out what the heck size to means what size shoe does that [TS]

00:12:58   correspond oh there's a sizing chart in the people's website website you have [TS]

00:13:01   the sizing chart like I'm the experience of figuring out what's one thing to buy [TS]

00:13:06   what size to buy it in like that in the experience that I need the website for [TS]

00:13:11   because on the app I it was hard to get that information I can't compare two [TS]

00:13:15   things at once I wouldn't know I don't know if I would even have found the [TS]

00:13:18   sizing chart thing which is like a mouse over things maybe a little table appear [TS]

00:13:21   on the site that actually founded on the matter wouldn't even worked on mobile [TS]

00:13:24   also all that information that I know is there like Amazon provides me away to [TS]

00:13:30   find the answers to these questions but one of the reasons I'm shopping on [TS]

00:13:32   Amazon all these features added when I'm doing it in the apple says here's the [TS]

00:13:38   thing here's the price pic aside from popup menu and then read the reviews [TS]

00:13:41   here and maybe I'm missing features and I like that makes Amazon less valuable [TS]

00:13:46   to me the tribe because it's not cut and dried and I'm not just like all during [TS]

00:13:49   the next round of paper towels from Amazon to come into its like the [TS]

00:13:54   research for something i wanna buy and it's the type of research that's way [TS]

00:13:57   easier do online looking to go to seventeen different sporting goods [TS]

00:13:59   stores and try to do it at home I can drag my kids they're so they can try and [TS]

00:14:02   swim fins everything I know their shoes size I gotta find a swimming thing that [TS]

00:14:06   people say is pretty good that's not a piece of junk it as a reasonable price [TS]

00:14:09   that will ship in a reasonable amount of time that aside though I want it and you [TS]

00:14:14   know i i as i guess im saying it's not a person's web that bosnia its features [TS]

00:14:18   that you make a web application if you make it and iOS application that for [TS]

00:14:24   example runs on the iPad and gives a fancier more feature filled purchase [TS]

00:14:29   experience then the phone version does I would probably be on par with that I'm [TS]

00:14:33   not tied to the web because I specifically like the web more tied to [TS]

00:14:37   having a big screen we're gonna look at lots of things at the same time and [TS]

00:14:40   having access to all the features of these sites have had over the years that [TS]

00:14:43   are useful for figure out what they are you wanna buy and that's exactly it you [TS]

00:14:47   know obviously in the case of us looking up stuff on Amazon looking at reviews [TS]

00:14:51   and specs and stuff [TS]

00:14:52   Amazon was built for the web's first and the web is probably still the biggest [TS]

00:14:57   platform but i i think it's it's clear to see the trend lines here [TS]

00:15:01   where more and more activity and browsing and computing and purchasing is [TS]

00:15:05   being done on mobile and so much as being done in apps not on websites and [TS]

00:15:11   that number seems to be increasing and you know that you look at this store [TS]

00:15:16   food cart in India [TS]

00:15:18   their their customer base is dramatically increasing it and at that [TS]

00:15:21   could have to do with any differences and cell phone adoption force computer [TS]

00:15:25   adoption and India vs here but for the most part I think we're seeing the same [TS]

00:15:28   general trend everywhere with his mobile is taking over big time and apps on [TS]

00:15:32   mobile are way more important than websites and mobile for the most part [TS]

00:15:36   today and that that trend is only going more in that direction it's not like [TS]

00:15:40   it's not like we're waiting for the web to catch up on mobile I think the web is [TS]

00:15:43   not going to catch up but there's probably gonna be both website web [TS]

00:15:48   stores and app stores for most major retailers for a long time [TS]

00:15:52   the main problems you have as you said this is an implementation detail just [TS]

00:15:56   among the Amazon app today as the Amazon website today that's going to change [TS]

00:16:00   over time they're going to make the appt better they're going to make more stuff [TS]

00:16:03   possible in the app they're gonna make stuff better in the apt because that's [TS]

00:16:07   where they should be pouring their attention as people use it more and [TS]

00:16:11   they're good about that they will do it [TS]

00:16:13   yeah I think that you're definitely in the popular crowd in thinking the app is [TS]

00:16:19   the way the way to go and I think that John and I are kind of clinging to our [TS]

00:16:25   old old tiny where he's but i just i don't like to have my I don't like to [TS]

00:16:31   have any Apple iPhone that I either don't use regularly or don't absolutely [TS]

00:16:37   need in a pinch late for example over I don't use regularly but man when I need [TS]

00:16:41   it I wanted to be there in the Amazon app like john has said doesn't really [TS]

00:16:46   help me in any way that I used anyway and it hurts me in that it prevents me [TS]

00:16:52   from doing things like having multiple tabs open and things like that so I [TS]

00:16:56   don't think it's old timey vs New I think its features and a good example of [TS]

00:17:00   this is the App Store which has a web interface but it's terrible [TS]

00:17:03   no one like you can't actually do it from the web but say you could let you [TS]

00:17:06   know what the web if you end up on the web pages for the App Store is like [TS]

00:17:09   nothing there you can't do anything it's just like the shell of a thing [TS]

00:17:13   that's the case where the application has more features and even though it's a [TS]

00:17:17   website and even though it's a big window and you get a multiple ones open [TS]

00:17:19   at once you would never want to do that because the features that you care about [TS]

00:17:22   like even just like reading more than three review the web ones just so I can [TS]

00:17:25   appreciated version of a couple of years or whatever the app has more features [TS]

00:17:29   there and so it's not so much a person's web it's like where are the features and [TS]

00:17:33   maybe it's just like ok Amazon was born on the web and their and they're happy [TS]

00:17:36   scrappy and newer stores that are more apt native will do a better job I did [TS]

00:17:42   see that happening but the second level problem is we talk about why it is gonna [TS]

00:17:46   have a million stories I just don't like the web you put the party there and you [TS]

00:17:51   get any web store and this is actually the reason that helped a lot of apps the [TS]

00:17:56   AppStore not gonna have an appt for restore you are going to necessarily be [TS]

00:17:59   limited by the store apps that are on your device if you're in like an appt [TS]

00:18:03   mines at like i buy things through apps if you don't find you re it's kind of [TS]

00:18:09   like well I can go to Target but I can't go to Kmart because no Kmart in my town [TS]

00:18:15   like the other one is really far away like well you know K mart exists and you [TS]

00:18:18   know you can get there but you know convenience sake you're gonna go the one [TS]

00:18:21   that's close to you if you only have 5 outside your phone [TS]

00:18:24   well I could buy this thing at some other location but I don't actually have [TS]

00:18:28   that my phone I have this app I won't let me do not gonna go to the AppStore [TS]

00:18:31   and download like you can't download every retailers out so retailers getting [TS]

00:18:35   their apps onto your phone because once you have like so you have over the also [TS]

00:18:39   had to lift that they also have that whatever you know competitor to the [TS]

00:18:42   rumors going around the future you have seventeen different apps for getting [TS]

00:18:45   rides are you gonna pick maybe one or two and one says one or two are on your [TS]

00:18:49   phone it's harder for the competitor to give their app on your phone is your day [TS]

00:18:53   like you have that need covered where is it all just websites every time you [TS]

00:18:56   launch sorry it's up for grabs are you end up based on like a Google search are [TS]

00:19:00   you know a bookmark or whatever [TS]

00:19:01   well but a lot of that applies to the web to I mean like having having your [TS]

00:19:06   credit card to see it in a site I haven't had a good online purchase [TS]

00:19:10   experience or a good online store mean there are there are so many things that [TS]

00:19:14   led the Tigers by Amazon because I used to buy them on their vendors site but [TS]

00:19:18   their vendor site is slow an awful [TS]

00:19:21   and I just it's so much easier to order from Amazon so I can do it they're like [TS]

00:19:25   that they're they're the same kind of like Lockheed in style effects on the [TS]

00:19:29   web it that that isn't really that is close to the admit it takes a little bit [TS]

00:19:33   of a step but but but I think you'll do a search like to do a search for [TS]

00:19:37   something like you don't know where you want to buy something like you won't [TS]

00:19:40   feel yourself limited to just starting in a store you've already chosen [TS]

00:19:45   practically where you gonna buy we're starting on the web [TS]

00:19:48   you don't know where you can buy you just trying to see what's out there [TS]

00:19:51   working options are out there you know even something like the sweet home where [TS]

00:19:54   you like I don't know anything about whatever it is like you know you can be [TS]

00:19:59   humidifiers or something like I'm sure I'm going to find out what is a good [TS]

00:20:03   humidifier to buy if you start that by launching an app already practically [TS]

00:20:07   decided where you're going to buy any just gonna say what seventeen [TS]

00:20:10   humidifiers and if you did a Google search might end up unlike marcos [TS]

00:20:13   humidifier thing you might end up on the sweet home or whatever and that could [TS]

00:20:16   leave you to restore eventually but you would be learning about what to buy like [TS]

00:20:20   I don't know why I see advantages to the apt approach if you do the app well I [TS]

00:20:26   see it meant just for the vendors but I see a lot of downsides for like sort of [TS]

00:20:30   unconscious lock in some of the old school and just like any of the stores [TS]

00:20:33   that are actually near your house influence where you buy stock in the [TS]

00:20:36   pre-internet days sure but I think my my my Yellowpages remark earlier applies to [TS]

00:20:42   it to a large degree here which is like if you if you look at the world today [TS]

00:20:47   absent web etcetera right now do you think you could launch a new restaurant [TS]

00:20:52   or a new shop in a town without having an injury the yellow pages and [TS]

00:20:57   yellowpages.com like it wasn't like you are actually going there [TS]

00:21:01   well but ok but a lot of people when they when they would need a certain type [TS]

00:21:05   of business are researching for a type of store type of business they would [TS]

00:21:10   look in the yellow pages for a long time and so websearch replace that well so [TS]

00:21:15   what i'm saying is this is a matter for john is a reference to what i'm saying [TS]

00:21:20   is that at some point you know today you can learn something new and you don't [TS]

00:21:25   really have to think about placement yellow pages or buying an ad there [TS]

00:21:28   because enough people find stuff on the web now it's even worth your time to [TS]

00:21:33   make it for any other pages [TS]

00:21:34   your business anymore it's very possible there will come a time where a major [TS]

00:21:38   retailer or any size retailer where so few people are buying stuff on the web [TS]

00:21:45   pages versus so many buying stuff and apps that when they have to decide how [TS]

00:21:49   to allocate their resources and where the weather to have only a nap or only [TS]

00:21:54   website or both [TS]

00:21:56   there's there can come a time if this trend continues where the website is [TS]

00:22:00   just not worth it to build and maintain for them so you're saying that their [TS]

00:22:04   website is like the yellow pages I'm saying we're heading in a direction [TS]

00:22:07   where websites might become as relevant as the yellow pages are today and I [TS]

00:22:13   don't know if we'll ever get there but that is the direction I think that we [TS]

00:22:16   are heading in I don't think that instance the search question that like I [TS]

00:22:20   mean just think of like what were the good restaurants in this area like when [TS]

00:22:24   you when you don't already know where you're going to end up because they [TS]

00:22:27   thought they were the bunch apps you are picking a store but money you have no [TS]

00:22:31   idea where you end up or you just want to know what's around here or what [TS]

00:22:34   what's out there that we can try you need some way to find to find what's out [TS]

00:22:39   there and you're not gonna do it you're certainly not gonna do it by searching [TS]

00:22:41   the App Store you're not gonna go to the App Store and type of restaurant to find [TS]

00:22:45   me just think I think about restaurants had no websites they only had apps and [TS]

00:22:50   even your own area where you live you just wanna know hey have any new [TS]

00:22:53   restaurants opened in this area are you gonna go to the App Store and try to [TS]

00:22:56   find a restaurant after a restaurant near uhlig App Store but let you find [TS]

00:23:00   Angry Birds reliably well know you might search the App Store for restaurants and [TS]

00:23:04   find something like Yelp if you didn't already know about it which is probably [TS]

00:23:08   unlikely the App Store is different the a paradigm of using apps to interact [TS]

00:23:14   with computing things and buy things just like when you move to the web [TS]

00:23:17   things were different in a lot of ways when when it in the mood to apps things [TS]

00:23:21   are not going to work the same way just certain things will take their place in [TS]

00:23:26   your case you're saying how do you are you gonna search for restaurants Napster [TS]

00:23:29   know you're going to open up the Yelp app in search of restaurants there like [TS]

00:23:33   there's gonna be all these Silas if you want to buy an object of sold in stores [TS]

00:23:36   usually you're gonna go to Amazon or whatever if you want to you know you're [TS]

00:23:41   going to help in some way that if you want to tax you can open your taxi at [TS]

00:23:44   whatever one that might be that you choose your area like [TS]

00:23:47   that is it that is the interactive that-that's interaction paradigm on [TS]

00:23:50   mobile [TS]

00:23:51   it is not you don't start at universal search box and get shown tons of spam [TS]

00:23:56   like most of these after talking about it just web use inside a container [TS]

00:24:00   anyway and I thought it is making but what i'm saying is it's making it's [TS]

00:24:03   making it worse because it's good for the people who are selling these things [TS]

00:24:08   because they're like oh people be locked up on our phone let us use their app but [TS]

00:24:12   it's bad for us because people are taking what used to be sort of on a more [TS]

00:24:17   level playing field and combining it inside these little containers and [TS]

00:24:21   having their own icons on the home screen to disclose everything else it [TS]

00:24:23   makes everything worse and 11 places that might not be as good as in other [TS]

00:24:28   places app and so on and so forth just the container stop along with inside the [TS]

00:24:31   pages just the same applies to websites that mean it's it is going to be [TS]

00:24:35   different [TS]

00:24:35   we know that it it doesn't necessarily worse in every way it's better in some [TS]

00:24:39   ways it's just it's different it's better for them it's better for the [TS]

00:24:43   vendor's how is it better for us [TS]

00:24:46   things load fast I don't know I just not better for us unless I mean unless [TS]

00:24:55   artificially done like [TS]

00:24:56   is better for us in the App Store because Apple's web version of the [TS]

00:24:59   absence just so bad that's one way to make it better is everyone made your [TS]

00:25:03   website that way way worse until the app version of it wins because the website [TS]

00:25:07   they're basically useless they're doing a great job of that already websites [TS]

00:25:10   their terrible the Amazon versus the app on their not doing I've never used this [TS]

00:25:14   book are things I can't say I mean some what's one thing that you routinely by [TS]

00:25:18   through an app that you don't buy their website I guess Instagram is not buying [TS]

00:25:22   thing but they don't they have a website too but Sox wilbur I guess they even [TS]

00:25:26   have a website probably not at that moment I have no idea what else can you [TS]

00:25:30   think of that is a better experience of buying through a nap then through the [TS]

00:25:35   website the Apple Store app is pretty good [TS]

00:25:38   yeah i i would say that I I don't necessarily think it it's better cuz you [TS]

00:25:43   can't do everything you know Apple's website is functional but mediocre and [TS]

00:25:50   in a lot of ways to the store part it works it most of the time it it doesn't [TS]

00:25:54   usually show errors or anything but the app is good enough and the app actually [TS]

00:25:59   is faster because it isn't loading all the chrome and stylesheets it seems to [TS]

00:26:03   access some kind of separate API that doesn't go down as much during the major [TS]

00:26:08   product launches and it has touch I D Apple pay for checking out which is [TS]

00:26:12   awesome and it has more than that though right because it has genius reservations [TS]

00:26:16   if not creation of then then check in for it has easy steel or whatever it's [TS]

00:26:23   called for you scan the barcode and then pay through the app and walk out of the [TS]

00:26:27   store and if you're like me you're holding your iPhone up to anyone who is [TS]

00:26:31   looking anywhere near your directions to show that you've actually paid for this [TS]

00:26:34   thing that looks like you're stealing it has some functionality and this comes [TS]

00:26:39   back to john was saying earlier it has functionality that you can't get through [TS]

00:26:42   the website and that's i think in large part why I like the Apple Store app so [TS]

00:26:46   much you know what else also John I can buy things on the Amazon app that ever [TS]

00:26:51   internet password because I entered it once and said save it on the web that [TS]

00:26:54   doesn't quite work on the web you always have to go through blogging for me to [TS]

00:26:56   buy something [TS]

00:26:57   and no I know there's ways that they can do about that but the fact is they don't [TS]

00:27:01   so that's another thing it's faster if you know what you're looking for an apt [TS]

00:27:07   shopping experience can be a lot faster hit you yet you can go if you're fifty [TS]

00:27:11   has decent search you can jump right there and hit check out like that and if [TS]

00:27:15   there's any steps that can skip by the security of the phone like touch I D for [TS]

00:27:18   Apple pay for shipping passwords it can be faster in many cases it is faster [TS]

00:27:22   what you're describing John about wanting to open a buncha tabs do [TS]

00:27:26   research have a side that is worse you're right the web is probably always [TS]

00:27:29   going to be the better platform for that I just mean like it like structurally is [TS]

00:27:32   the worst 22 have a bunch apps like they're pinning you down in the ways in [TS]

00:27:37   artificial ways rather than you thinking that it's a greenfield and you have [TS]

00:27:42   access to all the world's vendors you are necessarily limited to the icons [TS]

00:27:45   that you put on your phone and there's some in Nerja to dislodging as icons are [TS]

00:27:49   adding a new one or are remembering which Apple grouping together at like [TS]

00:27:54   that how many different apps you can do the same job is as well as it was not a [TS]

00:27:58   nap native platform like I i feel like it is constraining in a way that [TS]

00:28:03   benefits the vendors it doesn't benefit consumers for mostly no good reason is a [TS]

00:28:08   few recently said that the biometrics things about everybody again amazon has [TS]

00:28:12   the one-click stuff and really that's not that big of a hurdle for checking [TS]

00:28:18   out at Amazon I feel like it's below the threshold where touch I D it's cool for [TS]

00:28:23   us to be able to do it but most people they just click click click and go [TS]

00:28:27   through and I know a lot of people who like to have that i are afraid to turn [TS]

00:28:31   on one click because it's too fast that was already 2011 biometric and I think [TS]

00:28:36   both of you are there were startled by how easy it was to drop however many [TS]

00:28:40   hundred dollars to watch just tap tap but you know like so good for vendors [TS]

00:28:45   maybe not give any I was think about which companies do which happens to have [TS]

00:28:50   better apps and websites and so it's it's companies that started you know [TS]

00:28:54   sort of the app world like uber you know our Instagram they're always out first [TS]

00:28:58   their websites if they exist at all after thoughts in their Absa better [TS]

00:29:01   right [TS]

00:29:01   its companies that have always been terrible the web like Apple [TS]

00:29:05   I guess that's the explanation why their apps better than their web versions [TS]

00:29:08   because they've never really been good at web stuff and so that happens when [TS]

00:29:12   and then the other companies that either started on the web like Amazon are you [TS]

00:29:16   like airlines like Air Lines have apps but their their web experiences you have [TS]

00:29:21   more features are more ways to like you know research which seats you can do and [TS]

00:29:25   get a better diagram know if you didn't see this you can enter your number there [TS]

00:29:28   and do this thing and that doesn't show you that path right things you can only [TS]

00:29:31   do from the website that you can do from the app [TS]

00:29:33   everything sucks yeah they're bad and everything but still they're absurd are [TS]

00:29:36   more feature poorer than their website it's like oh when you're making a [TS]

00:29:40   reservation to make sure you to go through the website because on the app [TS]

00:29:43   you don't get this option that option you want to do this one because you can [TS]

00:29:46   get more legroom for less cost or whatever like it's a weird split and I [TS]

00:29:52   don't know especially for the big ones like you know Amazon eBay things that [TS]

00:29:56   have some critical mass is difficult to overcome a perpetually going to have [TS]

00:30:00   worse apps and websites will they figure it out to reverse it or is it only the [TS]

00:30:05   new companies like you know you're bringing something like company that [TS]

00:30:11   came of age in the app error where they never really considered websites in [TS]

00:30:15   their whole product was always in at any rate we should plug a new website that [TS]

00:30:22   has come out since I believe the last time we reported this is cosmodrome by [TS]

00:30:27   breeanna would John you want to tell us a little about this [TS]

00:30:31   yeah it's a linked list style site as she calls it sort of model thundering [TS]

00:30:36   fireball only if it's just gonna be a bunch of links not a bunch of original [TS]

00:30:39   writing that for the most part and so what's the big deal but those nine sites [TS]

00:30:43   have a bunch of Technology links and stuff [TS]

00:30:45   this one is like any site that has a single person behind it the ideas the [TS]

00:30:49   voice of the person comes through in this is Brianna voice and she's [TS]

00:30:52   intentionally trying to put in links that have the best content from tech and [TS]

00:30:56   gaming because she's obviously runs a gaming company and she's also into texas [TS]

00:30:59   not just going to be like you know regular technology stuff what about [TS]

00:31:03   mixed in with the game is free stuff and she's trying to amplify the voices of [TS]

00:31:07   women that she respects and women in the industry so she's got an introductory [TS]

00:31:11   post explaining what caused the drama is about you can [TS]

00:31:14   seat in the show notes I find myself in this is another example of apps vs the [TS]

00:31:19   web I suppose when I saw that this thing was there like I'm never going to see [TS]

00:31:25   anything on that side unless it has a Twitter account because that's how I see [TS]

00:31:28   all my links I follow the Twitter accounts that belong like Marco target [TS]

00:31:32   during fireball and cases but you're one of those yes I don't like RSS twitter is [TS]

00:31:37   just even ours i subscribe to the Twitter account like these sites and so [TS]

00:31:43   this is I still have an RSS reader I still use the reader with 2 E's on the [TS]

00:31:47   iPad to read news but it's like a different set of things like I had the [TS]

00:31:50   things they use RSS feeds for and they had two things that are they get to be [TS]

00:31:53   my twitter twitter feed few small number of sites just the important ones but [TS]

00:31:59   yeah I'm now basically in the Twitter out since I said how do I see that when [TS]

00:32:03   you post something that we're going to talk about later in the show how did I [TS]

00:32:06   say that I see it on Twitter how to read it by following me on Twitter I didn't [TS]

00:32:10   have time to read to that point I would have instead is the paper did from [TS]

00:32:13   Twitter and I i don't think I ever go to your site to see if there's anything new [TS]

00:32:17   on your side and I don't think your site is in my rss feeds anymore because it's [TS]

00:32:21   a type of site that as soon as something is published I wanna know about [TS]

00:32:23   immediately I do because on Twitter and I keep up with my Twitter anyway [TS]

00:32:28   cosmodrome blog is the Twitter handle we put a LinkedIn Directory Post and shouts [TS]

00:32:32   check it out [TS]

00:32:32   yeah I i've been following it since she tweeted it it's very good you know I'm [TS]

00:32:37   still stuck on John saying that you are one of those people that gets oiling [TS]

00:32:41   from Twitter not all my links with the one that if I wanna know as soon as [TS]

00:32:44   something is posted or you know like especially with the linked list thing [TS]

00:32:48   you're not going to read everything you say is I understand it's not it's not [TS]

00:32:52   the words of somebody writing something down a lot of blogs RMX like market has [TS]

00:32:55   some link posted at some post on his own right so there's a handful of things [TS]

00:32:58   that i subscribe to it that way and Twitter and I will know as soon as [TS]

00:33:01   someone post something on those things because I keep up with Twitter right but [TS]

00:33:08   RSS poor let me see the last whatever I'm teen news stories from our state to [TS]

00:33:14   guard says I don't subscribe to the giant if there was a Twitter feed that [TS]

00:33:21   showed everything there is no way we describe that would fill my feet over [TS]

00:33:24   never looking I use my rss reader [TS]

00:33:26   go and look at all them at the same time view the more quickly and so yeah I i [TS]

00:33:33   the only such Twitter account that I following I don't follow Marco Oregon [TS]

00:33:38   Twitter it's in my rss reader I don't follow daring firebombs whether it's in [TS]

00:33:42   my rss reader but I follow my own to make sure things get weeded and I think [TS]

00:33:47   you should follow hypocritical because once a year maybe something right away [TS]

00:33:51   you know it's really great to follow a bunch of sites like that [TS]

00:33:55   RSS arrears yeah agreed but you never noticed an area that's where you really [TS]

00:33:59   look at section of the RSS here pay here here's here's your problem right here [TS]

00:34:05   RSS readers if you if you have so many subscriptions that you are missing items [TS]

00:34:11   constantly because they're buried in a different section [TS]

00:34:14   you have too many subscriptions options I do actually keep up with our [TS]

00:34:21   assessment that was like years ago right you know I wasn't a completionist but I [TS]

00:34:24   was a markets red completionist and in the glory days in the newswire had tons [TS]

00:34:29   of feeds and at the very least every day I would decide that I'm not going to [TS]

00:34:34   read something like it was I would go through everything that's there who say [TS]

00:34:37   I am going to read that I'm not going to read and agree to things that I'm going [TS]

00:34:41   to read now what you most the stuff you know right but that passed I don't know [TS]

00:34:45   why that path that pastors I guess because the volume just increased like [TS]

00:34:48   any thought that mean more feeds but the volume increase like think of what they [TS]

00:34:52   are setting RSS feed was when I first thought it was like a couple of posts a [TS]

00:34:57   day now it's like a fire hose and just multiply that for every site that I [TS]

00:35:00   followed by so unsubscribe because you're not really reading them all I'm [TS]

00:35:04   not like I go to it when I go there and you know just March market's losses read [TS]

00:35:11   because it's like a date info but I find the few I still subscribe to a lot of [TS]

00:35:16   things but most of things I should care about our Twitter and that's only maybe [TS]

00:35:20   five six sites you visit this is why we can't get through follow-up or topics [TS]

00:35:26   and Ariza lot of time because every everything that we do we discover [TS]

00:35:30   something about each other that is worth discussing and we have to nitpick [TS]

00:35:35   ended once we want to be ended [TS]

00:35:37   cosmodrome thing they were just talking about other stuff I i lived in the show [TS]

00:35:43   if you guys are first sponsor to respond to this week it is bushel bu Shi L [TS]

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00:38:59   slash ATP alright so in the last 24 hours we have our first Apple watch OS [TS]

00:39:07   update so we are now on Apple watch 10 . one I believe it's pronouncement watch [TS]

00:39:13   us to watch us without a doubt one I have installed it Marco of you I presume [TS]

00:39:20   you've installed as well I have nothing happened it was glorious disappointed [TS]

00:39:24   they didn't call it a firmware update member those days now if only get a [TS]

00:39:29   firmware update it was there was an OS update in all the same way as it ever [TS]

00:39:33   was but they haven't yet decided to call it a rest but I couldn't even run ads [TS]

00:39:36   right it was a firmware update watch for my guess [TS]

00:39:39   doubts yeah well in any case I just wanted to point out a couple of initial [TS]

00:39:44   impressions I had i've talked to a handful of people and a lot of us agreed [TS]

00:39:50   that third party apps and glances especially just heal quicker I have no [TS]

00:39:55   concrete evidence of this I have no no quantitative evidence of this but it [TS]

00:40:00   just feels quicker to me market would you say that's the case I think so its [TS]

00:40:04   hard it was hard to tell initially because in in the previous 1.0 version [TS]

00:40:08   after cleaning reboot things would be faster and more responsive for a while [TS]

00:40:13   so you know after you install the update you have a clean reboot so it would feel [TS]

00:40:17   fast immediately so far though in in what Dana half the we've had it so far I [TS]

00:40:23   have not had an app lock up permanently forever I have not seen an infant [TS]

00:40:26   spinner and that is part of that is amusing very few apps now but it does [TS]

00:40:33   seem like they have improved it so I i give the thumbs-up yeah I agree the only [TS]

00:40:38   thing that I'm a little shady about shady on is I went for a walk earlier [TS]

00:40:43   tonight and what I did was I went to the exercise out i said im going for an [TS]

00:40:48   outdoor walk and I started walking and by no means am i doing you know a super [TS]

00:40:54   mega power walk or anything like that we were married in Dec when I work walking [TS]

00:40:59   reasonably briskly and when I got back from this walk that was like two and a [TS]

00:41:05   half miles or something like that and lasted roughly 50 minutes I got back in [TS]

00:41:10   I was credited with something like fifteen minutes of walking wounded one [TS]

00:41:15   dodo I don't remember that having never been the case that if I walked for 15 [TS]

00:41:19   minutes I'll get credit for 15 minutes of exercise [TS]

00:41:22   well was that credit for 15 minutes of elevated heart rate well and that's [TS]

00:41:26   exactly what I was going to say is this all could be that I was cheating the [TS]

00:41:32   system in 1900 and I shouldn't have been getting credit because I wasn't getting [TS]

00:41:37   my heart pumping quick enough to earn a credit now in 1902 outline maybe the [TS]

00:41:43   heart rate detection is more frequent or maybe it's just better in one way or [TS]

00:41:48   another maybe I just don't deserve credit for more than you know fifteen [TS]

00:41:52   minutes out of [TS]

00:41:52   tea but it is different than what I dot O and the last night right after I had [TS]

00:41:57   done my upgrade I went for a walk and I could swear that for a little while [TS]

00:42:03   during that walk my heart rate read 70 and I'm out of shape enough that I can [TS]

00:42:07   assure and I was walking quickly enough that I assure you my heart rate was [TS]

00:42:10   probably not seventies so this is all very very anecdotal and it very well [TS]

00:42:17   could be user ineptitude on my part since I wasn't walking quickly enough [TS]

00:42:21   but I know it just seems like that gotta let the heart rate related things got a [TS]

00:42:27   little bit worse but what I'd like to do is maybe tomorrow I'll really try to amp [TS]

00:42:33   up the speed and see if that makes a difference and give it a shot also try [TS]

00:42:37   try to give you a good wipe off to the disc on the back of the watch I I had an [TS]

00:42:41   issue today where my morning walk this morning that the watch kept locking as [TS]

00:42:47   if I take it off [TS]

00:42:49   oh that's interesting and so i i assume about the center must be you know cloudy [TS]

00:42:52   or whatever so I wiped it off and I haven't seen the problem did it a few [TS]

00:42:55   times in the same in the same walk and the workout app crashing and it was not [TS]

00:42:59   good but then I took it off later wiped off and haven't seen as in so that it [TS]

00:43:03   could be that who knows all the shape your own hair I'm not a guerilla like [TS]

00:43:08   you are John but I will keep that in mind so John how are you enjoying watch [TS]

00:43:12   OS 1.0 point 1 I've seen screenshots of people updating their OS on one device [TS]

00:43:17   by running an update on another device and making sure the washes and the [TS]

00:43:20   charger when they do it like it was paranoid about the like the iPad and [TS]

00:43:27   iPhone app they cease to be like well you have to at least 50% battery power [TS]

00:43:30   and if you don't get to be connected to power before we run the updater and [TS]

00:43:33   stuff in the watch it's like even more like no just unconditional it seemed [TS]

00:43:37   like a red connected to the charger . well I think the reason why first of all [TS]

00:43:42   keep in mind like if a software update on the water goes bad the recovery [TS]

00:43:47   options you have are as far as we know pretty limited because there is no you [TS]

00:43:52   can't just plug it into iTunes and hold down two buttons and have it we have it [TS]

00:43:55   go in DFU mode like we don't know if there's anything that a home user can do [TS]

00:44:00   probably gotta be like wireless like put it into recovery mode where it's just [TS]

00:44:05   looking for a wireless signal that will say no to it ok I'm about to take you [TS]

00:44:09   over an inch of a whole new image down your throat problem yeah and then the [TS]

00:44:13   other thing is the update for me it's a pretty long time I would say it took 20 [TS]

00:44:17   minutes and during that time the screen was on the entire time showing the [TS]

00:44:21   progress so I think that is probably why they require the power because if you [TS]

00:44:26   didn't have it powered you would slaughter the battery life just doing [TS]

00:44:30   the update and not screen because you know it's doing like I O and it's a [TS]

00:44:34   little solid state storage for the whole time [TS]

00:44:36   salts doing in India over the normal course of events to watch is not reading [TS]

00:44:41   the disc exactly right we should probably plug something else that that's [TS]

00:44:49   going on specifically during W Dec week so whether or not you happen to be going [TS]

00:44:55   to San Francisco at Camp for Girls is doing a fundraising happy hour that is [TS]

00:45:00   being thrown by WABC girls and that's going on the Wednesday night of the WDC [TS]

00:45:08   week now if you're not going to San Francisco that week that doesn't mean [TS]

00:45:12   you can't help out and it doesn't mean you can't donate at camp for girls which [TS]

00:45:15   is a really great organization that seeks to improve the the interest of [TS]

00:45:22   increasing interest of young girls and young women in development and [TS]

00:45:29   programming and things of that nature and so ATP is going to be sponsoring the [TS]

00:45:33   happy hour I know I will at the very least be going there for a little while [TS]

00:45:38   if not the entire time Marco I think you are also going is that true [TS]

00:45:42   that's true alright so we will be there for at least a little while so if you [TS]

00:45:45   wanted an excuse to say hi to us then I would certainly do so in all likelihood [TS]

00:45:50   we'll probably get there the whole time I just I'm afraid to guarantee that [TS]

00:45:52   because WBC week gets a little crazy but anyway but ATP is sponsoring we'd love [TS]

00:45:58   it if you could show up tickets for what like $20 suggested donation and if you [TS]

00:46:03   can't make it you can just you can donate on the same for me to say are you [TS]

00:46:06   and I can make it but here's the no 10 bucks or whatever please do that if you [TS]

00:46:10   can't make it this is really a fantastic organization to account [TS]

00:46:14   has to work and we we couldn't we couldn't possibly recommend strongly [TS]

00:46:19   enough that he supported yeah I definitely wrote in a donation that was [TS]

00:46:24   considerably more than $20 for my ticket I encourage you if you happen to be [TS]

00:46:29   going and you have the means to do so I encourage you to do the same thing and [TS]

00:46:33   just like Marcus said whether or not you gonna be there please feel free to [TS]

00:46:36   donate a camp for girls it's a really really great organization and like I [TS]

00:46:40   said at the very least mark when I will be there to say hi to everyone and shake [TS]

00:46:45   a few hands and takes off these effects your stick etc etc so please check it [TS]

00:46:50   out we'll put a link in the shutout set up camp for girls the Wednesday night up [TS]

00:46:54   w to WTC and its evening at like 5:30 p.m. so I get is it doesn't take up your [TS]

00:46:59   whole night happy hour things like nothing else is going on during happy [TS]

00:47:03   hour so you if you're there you can totally make it [TS]

00:47:05   yep exactly before we leave the topic of the BBC we also want to mention the [TS]

00:47:11   release notes podcast from our friends Charles Perry and Josef linski I really [TS]

00:47:15   snowed out TV they did a great episode this week episode 105 on WBC tips and [TS]

00:47:23   and kind kind of an overview of what's going on that week what what events or [TS]

00:47:27   parties what other conferences are going on our friend Justin char is put on a [TS]

00:47:32   conference called layers which is looks looks fantastic [TS]

00:47:35   there's so many good big names that are going to be speaking there I actually [TS]

00:47:39   wanna take that i'm gonna be basically balancing both attending both of you see [TS]

00:47:42   and that looks amazing thats bring your layers dot com I think and yeah the [TS]

00:47:49   layers company agreed to halt all conflicts also has an amazing speaker [TS]

00:47:53   and now there is so much going on that week that if you don't have a ticket you [TS]

00:47:59   have more options [TS]

00:48:01   there's so much going on so definitely check out those conferences check out [TS]

00:48:06   there listening to podcasts did a much better job then we will go over all the [TS]

00:48:10   all the options you have it's been nothing WTC is multi track and you can't [TS]

00:48:14   actually be like some sessions now the the entirety of that week is multi [TS]

00:48:19   conference multitrack [TS]

00:48:20   you are doing it for you Marco [TS]

00:48:23   have a ticket to both layers and very easy and you can't be in both places at [TS]

00:48:27   once so it's on certain days you'll be deciding on going to be later in the [TS]

00:48:31   morning and here in the afternoon or whatever [TS]

00:48:33   yeah and that's before I am considering multiple tracks is less money tracker [TS]

00:48:36   single believe it single that's that's a goal is but then he was multi any way [TS]

00:48:41   too much stuff jammed into one week but this is a great problem to have I mean [TS]

00:48:45   it's much better than you know what would have happened if Marco and I [TS]

00:48:48   didn't get tickets wbez and we wanted to go to San Francisco anyway I mean not [TS]

00:48:53   I'm sure we would have found something useful to do during the day time when we [TS]

00:48:58   weren't at the conference but now we have all sorts of options that were [TS]

00:49:01   hypothetically would have had all sorts of options of things to do and that's [TS]

00:49:05   kind of exciting because one thing I feared is that over the years as less [TS]

00:49:10   and less of us win the lottery and are able to go to WBC the conference I would [TS]

00:49:15   I was wondering if you know what I go to San Francisco during that week in the in [TS]

00:49:19   future years if I didn't have a ticket to WBC and if things like layers and all [TS]

00:49:25   comfort going on than [TS]

00:49:26   well I mean that's awesome so this is really exciting and I'm really thrilled [TS]

00:49:31   that that people in the community are stepping up to make this even more [TS]

00:49:35   inclusive for those who don't have a ticket to the big show so I'm really [TS]

00:49:40   stoked yeah this is really great work today that the other organized to [TS]

00:49:44   putting on this even like they were talking about how they're hosting a [TS]

00:49:48   viewing room as part of all kinds in a big theater where you can go and watch [TS]

00:49:53   the live streams and watch session videos they're released so if you want [TS]

00:49:57   if you don't have a ticket but you're gonna be there and you want to do and [TS]

00:50:01   you want to see what the live stuff and you want to watch the sessions they are [TS]

00:50:04   setting up a room that the maze-like and their and they're going to do this a lot [TS]

00:50:09   of people do viewing parties get togethers with it with a projector to [TS]

00:50:13   watch a live stream of whatever so many people do this kind of stuff it's really [TS]

00:50:16   great and you know the fact is a lot of people you know it's it's hard if you if [TS]

00:50:22   you don't know a lot of people out there if you don't have friends it's hard to [TS]

00:50:25   find some of this private stuff but now there's things like all kinds and layers [TS]

00:50:29   that are like these are public events that anybody can go to all countries [TS]

00:50:33   even free [TS]

00:50:34   anybody could do these things so even if you don't have friends out there already [TS]

00:50:39   are you don't know what people out there there is now still options even for that [TS]

00:50:43   and that's that's fantastic is that that really you know it's it's hard to break [TS]

00:50:47   into the social crowd of certain app developers if you don't know anybody [TS]

00:50:51   this provides ways to do that and that's really great I was doing is making hotel [TS]

00:50:56   prices even higher [TS]

00:50:58   yeah they worked parable this year I mean they've always been getting [TS]

00:51:03   progressively worse but I feel like maybe it's all my head but I feel like [TS]

00:51:06   there's a big jump this year maybe the maybe the hotel so funny figured out [TS]

00:51:11   what happens this week [TS]

00:51:12   well what happened is that is the park 3535 was always our with our chief go to [TS]

00:51:16   last for years and I got bought by Hilton I think like the pickwick was [TS]

00:51:20   expensive this year though was it like everything was expensive that's insane [TS]

00:51:23   I've stated the pic 1 year and I think it has since been refurbished but the [TS]

00:51:27   time I was there let's just say you get what you pay for the problem is you [TS]

00:51:33   don't get what you pay for [TS]

00:51:34   you can pay like 300 bucks a night for hotel room but in San Francisco during [TS]

00:51:38   the BBC week nights on the cheap and and so you you can have a cheap crappy hotel [TS]

00:51:42   and have paid three dollars a night for it [TS]

00:51:45   yeah that's the the the room rates this year are like every night but you're [TS]

00:51:50   staying in San Francisco you could buy yourself a new Apple originally i dont [TS]

00:51:55   member who was but you know when I was shopping for hotel prices away before [TS]

00:52:01   the lottery which by the way this is another one i doing W ABC tips assigned [TS]

00:52:04   this nothing that people who go to WC frequently do is book your hotel [TS]

00:52:08   reservations before you even know when WC is going to be peace hotel [TS]

00:52:12   reservations are really easy to cancel all you need like 24 hours notice [TS]

00:52:15   usually right so book your hotel reservations and I was doing that if [TS]

00:52:20   you're not going to go pick with everything was $350 or more and so guess [TS]

00:52:26   just like just to just one more day one more about watching not getting up [TS]

00:52:30   another Apple watch window up the meter check this Apple watch burn up at 10 [TS]

00:52:34   just everyday you're there you just burning Apple watches the unit of [TS]

00:52:37   currency instead of paying for rooms you just played in a fistful of a [TS]

00:52:41   possibility [TS]

00:52:42   green bands of that image that the music of gasoline is the currency and Mad Max [TS]

00:52:53   right so it's just the wilds of Apple colorful sport pants yeah well it the [TS]

00:53:00   picnic is at least better than what is the master who David sparks are saying [TS]

00:53:04   on the talk show only shared bathrooms the city to get progressively and that [TS]

00:53:08   probably still $200 a night so I seconds bunch of this week is harvest harvest is [TS]

00:53:14   a beautiful business tool for attracting time spent on client projects if you do [TS]

00:53:18   client work time tracking is such a major part of it as you know casey you [TS]

00:53:22   know this right with harvest no matter where you find yourself working the [TS]

00:53:26   focus stays on the task at hand so it's very simple you working on something you [TS]

00:53:30   start timer for it you can start these timers from anywhere [TS]

00:53:33   your web browser your desktop or mobile device [TS]

00:53:36   tracked hours appear in beautiful visual time reports and then when all said and [TS]

00:53:40   done all the work is done you can create an invoice will the work is really never [TS]

00:53:44   done but you know when you start to get paid you can create an invoice with [TS]

00:53:48   billable hours right in harvest everything's all integrated harvest [TS]

00:53:51   gives you the tools data and visualizations designed to keep projects [TS]

00:53:55   on time and within budget you can use these tools you can see for yourself you [TS]

00:53:59   can see data like which clients and projects are actually making you money [TS]

00:54:03   and which ones are really just costing you because you're putting so much time [TS]

00:54:06   in the UK me that much money back so Casey I'm curious you work in the [TS]

00:54:10   consulting business how useful is it too late harvest 22 really you know your [TS]

00:54:16   time tracking skills it's hugely useful because I am an erosion on the bottom [TS]

00:54:20   line of the company if I am NOT building a client and so you get your butt that I [TS]

00:54:25   need to make sure I'm billing every second I'm working for a client and [TS]

00:54:29   something like harvest as a really good job of making sure that I do exactly [TS]

00:54:33   that and [TS]

00:54:34   in the key to this is it being extremely low friction and that's exactly what [TS]

00:54:38   this is so I I definitely recommend having harvest or something along those [TS]

00:54:44   lines preferably harvest to do this because if you're anything like me doing [TS]

00:54:48   it in your head is just a recipe for disaster [TS]

00:54:50   exactly so harvest gives you all the tools to make this painless it's [TS]

00:54:55   beautiful it's accurate and it gives you all the reports you can see how things [TS]

00:54:59   are working you can make sure you're getting paid you can make sure you're [TS]

00:55:02   making money it's all integrated check out harvest get harvest dot com and [TS]

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00:55:33   thanks a lot to harvest get harvest dot com sponsor show once again you know it [TS]

00:55:37   occurred to me just a moment ago that the new MacBook Pro is the same style as [TS]

00:55:45   the new Mac Pro was prior to the trash can you know whether it's gonna slap to [TS]

00:55:49   new sticker on what was there [TS]

00:55:51   yeah this is totally new you guys should buy one of its little bit better than [TS]

00:55:55   that they change the trackpad and as new SSD the new the new Mac Pros like where [TS]

00:56:02   there was there was no new features it was literally just the internal upgrade [TS]

00:56:07   was not a significant one it was it was like two different processor options and [TS]

00:56:12   price drop in the end this this is a real update is just a really small one [TS]

00:56:17   you know they they did upgrade the SSD to be the new PCI X for I believe it and [TS]

00:56:23   that's significant because I opened because now I quess these are like 10 [TS]

00:56:27   percent faster they like to ex just that's good yeah there is a great [TS]

00:56:31   benchmark on their feet to show them all and it's a really like the SSD in in the [TS]

00:56:35   newest I believe it's the 1350 read about perot and the new MacBook that [TS]

00:56:40   well which MacBook 15 believe those are all now faster than the SSDs that are in [TS]

00:56:45   the Mac Pro [TS]

00:56:46   yeah because the metro dade hasn't gotten this update yet the Mac Pro is [TS]

00:56:50   comfortable in that position of being the machine that is never updated by the [TS]

00:56:54   Michigan slowly pass it by exactly so yeah it's a mean it was an update the [TS]

00:57:01   the issue as with almost everything in the last year is that Broadwell chips [TS]

00:57:07   have not shipped yet for the quad core so you know intel has had such a major [TS]

00:57:11   delays in robert's I think it's almost a year later than it was supposed to be [TS]

00:57:14   they just barely got the bubble chips out for the low-power models are the [TS]

00:57:18   ones are used in the MacBook one and the ones are using a MacBook Air and I think [TS]

00:57:22   the 32 but the quad core problem chips are still not out we're getting close to [TS]

00:57:29   style leaks at eight under the state like this fall or next spring at this [TS]

00:57:35   point it's pretty clear what's happening here is that you know Intel all their [TS]

00:57:39   production later Broadwell they just cant get the quad cores out in time that [TS]

00:57:44   Apple wants the Napa need to do an update on the GPU that that's a big [TS]

00:57:47   thing we don't I don't think about these GPUs but the GPU everyone's getting [TS]

00:57:53   ancient and GPUs move so quickly it's plausible the new one is probably not [TS]

00:57:57   going to ask those people are never satisfied with the GPUs Apple pics but [TS]

00:58:00   it will be doing probably faster so that's that's important right people it [TS]

00:58:05   doesn't matter to me but important for people so i cant that but for the most [TS]

00:58:09   part you know the the problem is there's no new CPUs to you so the CPU options [TS]

00:58:14   and i believe even the motherboard chipset the ran everything is the exact [TS]

00:58:18   same as last year in those departments so it is really kind of a half update a [TS]

00:58:23   USBC correct yet no USBC no action case changes they did because they did the [TS]

00:58:30   force touch trackpad they did add 4% more battery wattage to it I'm I'm [TS]

00:58:38   assuming they didn't say this I'm assuming it's because the force touch [TS]

00:58:42   trackpad is thinner and so they they get a little bit more space under it so they [TS]

00:58:46   probably could fill that with battery cuz the battery in this could have done [TS]

00:58:49   their scallop their terrorist batteries to live with it just you know whether [TS]

00:58:53   more stuff well I think they would have said so if they did though I I'm [TS]

00:58:56   guessing thats not here yet because that would have done would have probably [TS]

00:58:58   involved [TS]

00:58:59   sign of the whole top case which were there for the batter's upon that and [TS]

00:59:02   they didn't do that so I'm guessing it's literally just like the battery was able [TS]

00:59:07   to get 4% bigger because of the space game with the first extract that and [TS]

00:59:10   that's it for this is a relatively unimpressive upgrade is what I'm hearing [TS]

00:59:13   this case it's we get frustrated because like oh this is a bad day but it's so [TS]

00:59:20   clear that this is not Apple dragging its feet it's Apple like going like well [TS]

00:59:25   should be just as they gonna be out or should we wait or no and then we can [TS]

00:59:30   wait it like I wonder when they made the decision to say we have to go with this [TS]

00:59:33   sort of half update you know they can't they can't ship machines chips that are [TS]

00:59:37   available to purchase from Intel right and it's a shame but there are that's [TS]

00:59:41   the position they're in so this is a half update but if the best they could [TS]

00:59:46   do in like timing wise could they have done the half updater there are some [TS]

00:59:50   people are complaining like you're going to have Broadwell chips why did you why [TS]

00:59:57   why the delay in releasing even these and we don't know maybe it took this [TS]

01:00:01   long to just get this design together they made the decision several months [TS]

01:00:04   ago [TS]

01:00:04   you know it's it's a shame but it is what it is and I think with these [TS]

01:00:09   machines most of the things I've seen from discussions remark on other peoples [TS]

01:00:14   like if you have a recent read now MacBook Pro should you buy one of these [TS]

01:00:18   machines and it's like well you really have to look at a few things that got [TS]

01:00:22   better in them are you doing stuff that I abound in which case the SSD is a big [TS]

01:00:25   deal yet on the GPU ground which case the GPU is better but otherwise CPU is a [TS]

01:00:29   small bump blah blah blah but ignoring that saying you don't have it you don't [TS]

01:00:34   have a Mac laptop or you don't have a macbook pro you don't have a retina [TS]

01:00:37   MacBook Pro still pretty good machines like it's not like this is a dog you buy [TS]

01:00:42   these are you bought one of those crappy ones that we're just kind of like purely [TS]

01:00:46   judging it as how big leap over the previous one is is it whereas if you're [TS]

01:00:51   using a non retina MacBook from a long time ago you've never purchased a Mac [TS]

01:00:55   this seems like a perfectly fine machine right yeah I mean you know I I said in [TS]

01:01:00   my post like so I i've been using a 2012 fifteen-inch read about the very first [TS]

01:01:04   row it's been great like I i love it it's been awesome the only the only [TS]

01:01:10   downside to it is that [TS]

01:01:12   at usually when I'm on a cross-country flight using Xcode and you know serious [TS]

01:01:16   computing stuff the whole time usually I need about an hour more battery life to [TS]

01:01:20   restore or maybe occasionally two hours more battery life to be happy with it [TS]

01:01:25   that is the only time that I'm that I'm not a hundred percent satisfied with [TS]

01:01:29   machine it is so good and since then since 2012 they actually have gotten I i [TS]

01:01:34   think they've gotten that extra hour hour and a half just by improvements [TS]

01:01:38   from going from Ivy Bridge to has well you know couple other minor improvements [TS]

01:01:43   but I really don't let it turns out I don't like for stocks I like on the [TS]

01:01:49   water's fine I really don't care for the first extract beds that are in the [TS]

01:01:54   laptops right now I tried them in the store and get to get to my mistake one [TS]

01:02:01   in a minute but I I just don't like that I don't like the way they feel they [TS]

01:02:06   don't they do feel like you're clicking the button and it is a really cool thing [TS]

01:02:11   is a really cool technical achievement it's very impressive it does feel like [TS]

01:02:15   you're clicking of physical button for the most part I would say it feels like [TS]

01:02:20   80% right but it's it kinda like an uncanny valley situation like it almost [TS]

01:02:27   feels like you're pushing a button but not quite [TS]

01:02:29   and that and that not quite really irritates me and it doesn't feel like a [TS]

01:02:34   good button press it is really impressive that that it works as well as [TS]

01:02:37   it does considering there's no moving parts but i just i really don't like it [TS]

01:02:43   so I like the previous generation 15 inch so much that I actually ordered [TS]

01:02:49   yesterday's or you know last week's which is at the 2014 model actually [TS]

01:02:54   order one of those on clearance from Amazon for 1850 to replace [TS]

01:03:01   I mentioned earlier I I really need to end this computer down to a family [TS]

01:03:05   member and I i kinda wanted to like and want a new one just to get a new battery [TS]

01:03:11   and to get and to get that extra hour has like even though this is great it [TS]

01:03:15   also has a three-year low battery indicator of three years old so I can [TS]

01:03:19   still this one still works so well I can still head down to a family member or I [TS]

01:03:23   could sell it for a good price [TS]

01:03:25   down anymore so we'll see I really do think that the the base model [TS]

01:03:30   fifteen-inch is an incredibly good value it is it is it is the most machine that [TS]

01:03:38   most people need it is not that much it's a debate the base model that is [TS]

01:03:42   usually $2,000 there's you can usually get a refurb or clear at a recent like [TS]

01:03:48   Amazon for sixteen to eighteen hundred that's a really good bye compared to [TS]

01:03:55   getting like a 13 inch and inspecting it up to be similar and that you know [TS]

01:04:00   that's only a few dollars less usually 250 texts so good so powerful so fast [TS]

01:04:05   the screen is huge you can do so much with it it has all the ports that that [TS]

01:04:10   John needs it's it's great so that's why i like it so much I I compared it to the [TS]

01:04:18   Honda Accord [TS]

01:04:20   I saw the comparison and quite made sense when you're trying to say is that [TS]

01:04:24   you can get a surprising amount for your money but like maybe if you can find [TS]

01:04:28   your contacts who just read books are just Apple laptops and it fits that but [TS]

01:04:35   still at like at 1602 $2,000 this is a very expensive laptop in the grand [TS]

01:04:41   scheme of things well it isn't a fairly expensive Mac laptop it's a mid-priced [TS]

01:04:46   Mac laptop that's all I'm saying like someone that wants you can once you can [TS]

01:04:49   find it to max I would think that the Honda Accord is probably more like the [TS]

01:04:54   13 inch air because it's gotten on radar screen and it's not even IPS screen or [TS]

01:04:59   whatever but that thing does all the things a lot of supposed to do is it [TS]

01:05:03   easy to carry it does all the stuff that has the parts it's like it is a complete [TS]

01:05:07   thing where if you demand as we know from both your cars and your computer's [TS]

01:05:11   a little bit more than its four-cylinder engine has to offer [TS]

01:05:16   vitek notwithstanding so you are you are shopping in a different class of things [TS]

01:05:23   so I think it is more apt to call [TS]

01:05:26   thing the 535i not be right but it's still a premium product it's a large [TS]

01:05:33   it's got a big engine and the the 13 inch air anyway I don't think it matters [TS]

01:05:38   which corresponds to bottom line it's a it's a very nice yeah and and what what [TS]

01:05:44   I discovered is that it is by far the machine I'm happiest with if I get [TS]

01:05:49   anything smaller than a 15 their trips that I take that I really regret not all [TS]

01:05:53   trips a lot of Tripoli can take and just and I wish I had the smallest about [TS]

01:05:56   possible I'm not really coding merrily working I just need to keep up on email [TS]

01:06:02   and stuff and browse the web sometimes I that's and I don't like using a pets are [TS]

01:06:06   everybody you know that's fine also this is exactly why you felt the urge to go [TS]

01:06:11   out and buy a brand new laptop that is not fifteen it because you like new [TS]

01:06:16   things that's well briefly yes so I i'm had mixed experience with with new [TS]

01:06:25   things [TS]

01:06:26   25 K iMac is the best computer I've ever owned it's amazing I'm so ridiculously [TS]

01:06:31   happy with it [TS]

01:06:33   the Apple watch i've had for you know since day one so what is it about three [TS]

01:06:36   weeks now love it I love I'm so I so love the Apple watch it is for a 1.0 [TS]

01:06:44   especially it's an amazing product I you know it is not perfect but it is really [TS]

01:06:48   really good and it's why I'm enjoying it more than I expected to [TS]

01:06:53   I like it I I use it alot it has made me actually increase my physical activity [TS]

01:06:58   level on a regular basis so far it is so good I am so happy with the Apple watch [TS]

01:07:04   and again so that the Mac I'm so happy with the 15 inch laptop line you know I [TS]

01:07:09   like a lot of things I thought I would like to have the MacBook one can you [TS]

01:07:16   explain to people what the MacBook one is that the new MacBook Pro with 1 port [TS]

01:07:20   yes but we always just talked about that is that I think who coined that term is [TS]

01:07:23   that Marco I did anyway yes that's what we're talking about the really skinny [TS]

01:07:27   MacBook with one part that we talked about for like seven episodes [TS]

01:07:31   exactly we're going to get a little more in evidence or so for years I've been [TS]

01:07:36   thinking you know I would love to have like a bedside tiny computer that I [TS]

01:07:42   could occasionally write blog posts on an email if I go to bed early I'm like [TS]

01:07:48   well stop when do you ever answer email I don't have a computer to answer it he [TS]

01:07:53   added that the problem related front of a room for the day fun tonight but now [TS]

01:07:56   Marcos is his purpose is buying a laptop specifically for use within a certain [TS]

01:08:02   rooms upstairs downstairs so you know i i was waffling for years over there did [TS]

01:08:09   maybe I'll it may be a good pick up a used 11 inch air from somewhere because [TS]

01:08:13   it for my purposes of a blogging email and stuff it would need to be high spec [TS]

01:08:18   at all it could be linked to be very slow and doesn't need to be knew it [TS]

01:08:23   could be fine and I i would use it in an occasion when I do take these trips [TS]

01:08:28   right don't need to get any work done when I just want to keep up an email [TS]

01:08:31   stuff I can bring that as laptop instead of bringing my big 15 so this this was [TS]

01:08:36   my thought and four years I've been thinking about this and not doing it and [TS]

01:08:40   when I saw the MacBook one in person in the store I I was really tempted by from [TS]

01:08:46   the very first time I saw it i've their various watch trips and repairs I've [TS]

01:08:49   actually been to Apple stores number of times since its come out and every time [TS]

01:08:53   I go I always go over to nap upon a look at it I type on the kind can live with [TS]

01:08:58   this can live with this keyboard keyboard with it and it is just so small [TS]

01:09:04   and so light and the screen looks pretty good and it isn't as good as other [TS]

01:09:09   retinas I was wrong about that but it is it is closed and it is better than the [TS]

01:09:14   opening share screen that's for sure [TS]

01:09:16   the nine right now looks great I i just machine you see it and you're drawn to [TS]

01:09:22   it it's it's like a lost all my Goddess action ice machine the business rep my [TS]

01:09:28   store i mentioned at one point that I was possibly interested in one at some [TS]

01:09:33   point and they emailed me saying they had one in and I thought you know what [TS]

01:09:37   I'm about to go on a trip this weekend where it would be the perfect trip to [TS]

01:09:40   test it out on me try let me get it [TS]

01:09:43   I think I'm ready I think this is a good this is a good idea for me let's see how [TS]

01:09:47   do I put this arthur's bunch of this week is fracture fracture print your [TS]

01:09:53   photos in vivid color directly on glass cutter fracture me.com fracture photos [TS]

01:09:58   are awesome I have a bunch of around my office I got 60 1808 in my office right [TS]

01:10:07   now so many of these things they're fantastic they really it is a photo [TS]

01:10:12   printed on glass you upload your photo and about a dozen be a photo 6:03 [TS]

01:10:17   remaining my office are icons for the apps that I've made a scandal troop each [TS]

01:10:22   of these elections pieces like here's here's the road of apps I've made and [TS]

01:10:26   these are legal class princeton hang on the wall it looks fantastic right now I [TS]

01:10:29   have photos family photos fun photos illustrations and a couple of those up [TS]

01:10:34   here and there they are fantastic it is such a good quality on his fractured [TS]

01:10:38   prince I always get compliments on them people always ask about them and get [TS]

01:10:41   them people who know fracture who knows them to the park testified he was the [TS]

01:10:46   fractures like they always ask about them so many companies they're so good [TS]

01:10:50   so really it is a piece of glass it's a thin piece of glass adhere to like this [TS]

01:10:55   foam board thing to the nail in it and the food was printed on the back surface [TS]

01:11:00   of the thin piece of glass and sand so it shows through the front and so it's [TS]

01:11:05   protected it doesn't scratch off or anything it doesn't look weird [TS]

01:11:09   frame which is really cool because then you know you normally get a photo [TS]

01:11:15   printed the new gotta get a frame for it or get a custom frame which is really [TS]

01:11:18   expensive and it doesn't look right tempo to hang on your wall by themselves [TS]

01:11:22   with fracture it is its own complete product it looks great you know your [TS]

01:11:26   frame it is fantastic it is clean it's modern it's very very well priced at it [TS]

01:11:32   but everything you need to your foot on the wall or desk right in the box so [TS]

01:11:37   prices start at just 15 bucks for a five by five inch square they'll have [TS]

01:11:40   rectangles this is a great size for Instagram photos it's small it's big [TS]

01:11:46   enough that you can see it in fact most of mine of that so i dont small size but [TS]

01:11:50   it's small enough that if you only have like a low res iPhone shot the forest [TS]

01:11:54   looks great even at that size [TS]

01:11:56   every fracture is handmade and checked for quality whether small team in [TS]

01:11:59   gainesville florida is the thinnest lightest and most elegant way to display [TS]

01:12:03   your favorite photos I really do very highly recommend fracture they are they [TS]

01:12:08   are so good they make great gifts if you give them as gifts for holidays or [TS]

01:12:12   birthdays or whatever or just sitting here friends gags gifts to your friends [TS]

01:12:18   get a photo of your friend looking funny or whatever you can send it is it is so [TS]

01:12:22   good I really I can't recommend fracture enough and really they get so many [TS]

01:12:26   compliments on my house they're they're just great so you can get 15% off your [TS]

01:12:32   first order with coupon code ATP 15 please use that code because now I have [TS]

01:12:41   you heard last but using 8051 let them know that you came from our show so once [TS]

01:12:47   again go to fracture me.com and use coupon code 8015 50% off your first [TS]

01:12:53   order thank you very much to fracture photos printed directly on glass it is [TS]

01:12:57   so good how they recommended so tell us about your big mistake so I really I [TS]

01:13:04   talked myself into the MacBook 10 I said you know I for this purpose that I've [TS]

01:13:08   wanted for a while it would be amazing because the one thing with the 11 inch [TS]

01:13:12   air is the non Retina screen and that's a pretty big thing for me I really care [TS]

01:13:15   alot about right now and I really don't like using screens and Megawati you know [TS]

01:13:23   at this when you give this a try I think I think I might love this actually and [TS]

01:13:28   so I bought it and brought it home and I used it for about 36 hours pretty [TS]

01:13:34   heavily I you know a lot of people are criticizing me for reviewing it after [TS]

01:13:39   only having it for a day and a half and and that's you know that's somewhat fair [TS]

01:13:43   but I just really hated it so what did you hate I knew the keyboard was was [TS]

01:13:50   gonna be weird that being said whatever happens in the Apple store I I think I [TS]

01:13:54   saw it in person maybe three times before buying it every time I saw it I [TS]

01:13:58   would I would go to an open up the notes happened to start typing something long [TS]

01:14:01   can I get used to this keyboard every time I go I was getting better at it and [TS]

01:14:06   I are realizing you know [TS]

01:14:07   actually this is finally get out I can type I don't like typing on it that much [TS]

01:14:13   but I can do it so I can probably get used to it is probably gonna be fine and [TS]

01:14:17   I got it and I got home I started typing on as I was setting it up and I [TS]

01:14:21   installed on iChat absence I can be typing or installed / Twitter and then I [TS]

01:14:26   i hope i install gmail has responded to my email and so I did a lot of typing on [TS]

01:14:32   it and i got really fast with it its speed was not an issue at all I was an [TS]

01:14:39   accuracy wasn't that bad either [TS]

01:14:41   my big problem the keyboard is that it doesn't feel good and and actually it's [TS]

01:14:46   me it actually feels bad and and you know i i guess i want to be careful here [TS]

01:14:50   do not like to not say that people who think differently are just wrong and [TS]

01:14:54   stupid this is this is my opinion of course but I really don't like the key [TS]

01:14:58   switch feel part of it is the short travel of the keys which ever one site [TS]

01:15:02   says yes they're very shallow that'll push down very far but also for me part [TS]

01:15:07   of it was the way they click down it is like a case which is kind of a soft [TS]

01:15:12   actuation on a regular keyboard these are there they're like tiny little like [TS]

01:15:17   hard like dimple buttons like it clicks like bubble wrap its like this like a [TS]

01:15:22   snap when you push it in and it doesn't it it feels like buttons it doesn't feel [TS]

01:15:28   like keys if I make sense it also knows your did you say that you're you're [TS]

01:15:32   somebody else it I think it is it sounds different [TS]

01:15:36   I would say it's noisier the trackpad is little bit quieter [TS]

01:15:39   latter tickets and what you're doing but it had a weird sound and I could [TS]

01:15:48   definitely see other people in the room being annoyed by it if I were to use it [TS]

01:15:52   in a workplace that was not full of the same computer yeah it is it is we are [TS]

01:15:55   it's clicky but not in a good clicky keyboard way it's just a very strange [TS]

01:16:00   keyboard I also did not as a missionary I didn't care for the trackpad the first [TS]

01:16:04   extract that we hold on before before you get to the track that can you just [TS]

01:16:07   remind everyone what is the keyboard you're used to using say with your five [TS]

01:16:11   chaos [TS]

01:16:11   the keyboard are used is on a regular basis is the Microsoft sculpt ergo [TS]

01:16:18   economic error ergonomic [TS]

01:16:20   the sculptor economic desktop keyboard and it has like four words one of them [TS]

01:16:24   assault on the economic but this is not a traditional like clicky clicky [TS]

01:16:29   keyboard like a lot of popular Apple people use no I i've tried those in the [TS]

01:16:35   past I I have no I have not found an ergonomic one of those that fit me very [TS]

01:16:41   well that the one they're very few economic mechanical keyboards the one [TS]

01:16:45   that was my favor was the Matias Matias GoPro I did a review my site a couple [TS]

01:16:50   months ago and that came out that was my favorite one of the mechanical ones but [TS]

01:16:54   the the sculptor go for Microsoft's fits the curvature of it just is more [TS]

01:16:59   comfortable for me so I stuck with it it has Suzuki's like laptop keyboard like [TS]

01:17:02   it has you know like it like a there there's shallow but not that shallow [TS]

01:17:08   then they have a decision mechanism of them so they kinda squished down its on [TS]

01:17:12   a keyboard but it's fine I i like it alot but more importantly you like the [TS]

01:17:17   keyboard on your fifteen it yet and you looked at the keyboard Appleton using [TS]

01:17:21   laptops forever I mean even before this that the g4 keyboard that the data [TS]

01:17:26   that's where I started my Mac life and I love that keyboard to its fine and the [TS]

01:17:32   current the current keyboards that are on every Mac laptop except for the [TS]

01:17:36   MacBook 10 I think they're great I've never had any problem with them they're [TS]

01:17:40   you know they're not like I don't type on this and say this is the best [TS]

01:17:43   keyboard ever abused but I also don't think about it cause it's just good like [TS]

01:17:46   it it is completely forgot about the best ways they're just good key ports [TS]

01:17:51   and until use a bad keyboard not really appreciate the help [TS]

01:17:54   think that if you use this keyboard for a longer period of time you just would [TS]

01:17:59   have accepted this in the same way that you accept the inferior here Microsoft [TS]

01:18:02   sculpt keyboard but otherwise like you just get used to it like a ball the [TS]

01:18:05   laptop keyboards were like this and you had no choice and used it for like a [TS]

01:18:09   year which eventually settle into the same compromise where it's like well I [TS]

01:18:12   prefer my desktop keyboard obviously the better but these are fine I'm sure I [TS]

01:18:16   could a bunch of my friends have these computers and love them and I have some [TS]

01:18:21   questions here and there on Twitter and privately everything [TS]

01:18:23   and somebody said I think it was Paul Haddad teapot it's a perfectly fine [TS]

01:18:29   keyboard once you get used to it if you'd never use any other key players it [TS]

01:18:35   is such a different feel from other keyboards that it is very strange to [TS]

01:18:41   transition between even though I have no trouble choosing between my split [TS]

01:18:45   ergonomic keyboard on my desktop and the street keyboard on my laptop I have no [TS]

01:18:50   trouble like I've never had an issue getting used to one of the other [TS]

01:18:52   transitioning even though they're they're physically very differently [TS]

01:18:55   spaced apart very different keys etc with the MacBook 1 it is such a [TS]

01:18:59   different feel and you have to press down with so little depth but still this [TS]

01:19:05   is still a force like this permit problem with it [TS]

01:19:09   ergonomic keyboards are are designed that they're really good ergonomic [TS]

01:19:12   keyboard like him can he says they're designed very carefully to modulate the [TS]

01:19:16   amount of force that you need to push a key towns that you're not pushing too [TS]

01:19:21   hard if you if you have to push too hard or if you have to push hard enough of [TS]

01:19:26   that after it is actuated you're still a bottoming out like you're you're still [TS]

01:19:29   slinging the key into the floor of the keyboard further than you have to [TS]

01:19:33   actuate the keypress those are all bad for our aside organics those all really [TS]

01:19:39   exacerbate things like carpal tunnel syndrome in various there are as I think [TS]

01:19:43   they they really are not good and so these keyboards designed very carefully [TS]

01:19:46   such that they they match the level of pressure required to the press icky and [TS]

01:19:51   how far it needs to be depressed with the way people's fingers work in the way [TS]

01:19:56   people tight and how your fingers are all different strains your outer fingers [TS]

01:20:00   at your pinky ring finger [TS]

01:20:02   those are weaker than your index finger and so like the really confuses [TS]

01:20:09   actually have different key presses different keep US forces rather on [TS]

01:20:13   different key depending on which of your fingers are intended to hit them so the [TS]

01:20:16   keys in the middle be harder to press the ones towards the edges because then [TS]

01:20:20   you know your week your fingers pressed the ones toward the edges so all this [TS]

01:20:24   cares puts a keyboard designed for very good reasons because it really does [TS]

01:20:28   matter really does make things feel better or be more or less problematic [TS]

01:20:33   for RSI suffers and I do have my out our site problem [TS]

01:20:36   I manage them by doing things like using a split keyboard not as bad as John but [TS]

01:20:41   you know i i do I do need to avoid RSI problems and the MacBook keyboard the [TS]

01:20:47   medic one keyboard it really I have concerns for economics for long-term use [TS]

01:20:52   of it more so than the regular keyboards do you think you're saying you think it [TS]

01:20:56   takes more pressure more force than the other than the nun MacBook 13 parts I [TS]

01:21:03   think it does I don't have any more to do is have a test but I did someone I [TS]

01:21:07   wish I had it and it it differently adamant the wind down is a different [TS]

01:21:13   type of click force and different type of response not just being more shallow [TS]

01:21:18   it is really a very different feel to the Cliq but I had some concerns using [TS]

01:21:22   it about our side and and i was i was a little sore after I did a half using and [TS]

01:21:28   that that's that's too early to say whether the keyboards fault whether [TS]

01:21:31   because it was different you know that could go either way so I i'm not [TS]

01:21:33   claiming that I had a problem from a keyboard necessarily but I do have [TS]

01:21:38   concerns because it seems like the ergonomics of it are substantially worse [TS]

01:21:44   in this one key way of the keep the pressure required to the press the keys [TS]

01:21:50   and then trying to avoid the like slamming against the bottom of the [TS]

01:21:54   bombing out of pushing it too far the wait is key to design this the shower [TS]

01:21:59   travel makes it very hard not to bottom out like that but the key switch type [TS]

01:22:05   where you have to press hard to get it to actuate makes it even harder to avoid [TS]

01:22:11   bottoming out like that and especially on your less precise fingers one of the [TS]

01:22:17   problems I had getting accurate with it was the key I most frequently mis-hit [TS]

01:22:23   was delete because my pinky has to hit to leave my weakest fingers and so I [TS]

01:22:28   would frequently go to go to hit Delete and not push hard enough and have to [TS]

01:22:33   redo it again I would I would type of their day wasn't pushing hard enough to [TS]

01:22:38   to actual to actuate the the faraway keys and eventually you know I got used [TS]

01:22:43   to turn off today I was able to do that but it was it was never anywhere near as [TS]

01:22:49   comfortable [TS]

01:22:50   to use and I was always very frustrating to use as a result of that doesn't make [TS]

01:22:55   sense [TS]

01:22:56   ya think so now you're starting to talk about the the force touch trackpad the [TS]

01:23:02   first touch trackpad is not as bad as the keyboard I really would prefer never [TS]

01:23:08   to own a laptop with that keyboard if I had to own laptop with the first text [TS]

01:23:12   trackpad I would deal with it you know they wouldn't be a massive problem using [TS]

01:23:17   laptop but I would I would deal with it but I don't like it and if I would [TS]

01:23:23   prefer not to have to deal with it possible the first time as I mentioned [TS]

01:23:28   earlier like it is it is a very technical achievement but it doesn't it [TS]

01:23:31   doesn't feel too good button press it it feels like a worse trackpad in use it is [TS]

01:23:37   it is a softer quieter click which is nice for noise reasons it is uniform [TS]

01:23:44   across the entire surface as you mentioned because of the way it works [TS]

01:23:47   rather than like that the older trackpad has a he's at the top and so the bottom [TS]

01:23:52   of it pushes down the farthest you can have to look at the bottom to make to [TS]

01:23:56   make the old style work where the first touch you can click anywhere on it and [TS]

01:23:59   doesn't matter where you click and it does the same feedback regardless my [TS]

01:24:02   problem is the old way of click of having click on the bottom that's fine [TS]

01:24:06   that's what I've always done like before that when when there was the button only [TS]

01:24:09   at the bottom two separate button with the old a track that's that's what we [TS]

01:24:12   all got used to that's why that was designed that way [TS]

01:24:15   was because you could basically just keep your fingers all the same spot into [TS]

01:24:18   the same thing it would still work the first touch even though it is not [TS]

01:24:22   uniform across the whole surface no part of this service feels as good as the [TS]

01:24:27   bottom half of the old Jack that there's three different settings for how firm [TS]

01:24:31   you have to press and then how much feedback you get as a result of that as [TS]

01:24:35   I was pressing on it I didn't feel like I was pushing a button sometimes I never [TS]

01:24:42   forgot that I was kind of mushy my finger against class again as I said [TS]

01:24:46   earlier if you like 80% like a button but done but not like a button you know [TS]

01:24:50   because it doesn't get all the way there may be to having that having at like [TS]

01:24:54   deeper force click like the the third level click maybe that is going to be so [TS]

01:24:58   compelling in time that I'll tolerated or maybe as I mentioned on Twitter like [TS]

01:25:03   maybe [TS]

01:25:03   I will just convert into a tap to click person we have never been I I tried it [TS]

01:25:08   once experiment back in college and I tried once I i didnt like a light switch [TS]

01:25:13   back but like I just don't like it simply that so so the MacBook one has a [TS]

01:25:18   keyboard I really don't like a trackpad I i just normally don't like the problem [TS]

01:25:24   is that all the things I would do want it would involve typing so I today I [TS]

01:25:31   decided it was just not for me and I returned it I don't think I didn't she [TS]

01:25:39   was making fun of me for even having gotten it I just feel like you know none [TS]

01:25:45   if you gave us her two meters of people regular people going to the Apple store [TS]

01:25:50   and not knowing that the abundant move down right or not realizing that he was [TS]

01:25:54   different in a significant way and I'm wondering how noticeable are these [TS]

01:25:58   differences to people to people for whom buying a new computer like that is [TS]

01:26:05   expected to come with a host of minor differences in inconveniences I like my [TS]

01:26:10   old screen better I like the way the old laptop of shape I like the old laptops [TS]

01:26:14   car I don't like this keyboard like if you buy a new Mac every five years you [TS]

01:26:18   are forced to deal with these things you know I like it when the track but had a [TS]

01:26:22   button right you know because if you're if you're upgrading not very frequently [TS]

01:26:25   every new Mac you buy it seems like has one of these things where you're not [TS]

01:26:31   used to something that you touch the keyboard is different the trackpad is [TS]

01:26:36   different the screen is different [TS]

01:26:37   missing some ports it doesn't have an optical drive so on and so forth and yet [TS]

01:26:41   people still continue to buy new computers just because that's like the [TS]

01:26:45   price of doing things so I'm wondering would wouldn't even notice this keyboard [TS]

01:26:50   is different would they accept that is as different as them upgrading my guess [TS]

01:26:55   but we've had a long sort of run of trackpad and keyboard continuity so they [TS]

01:27:00   had to be coming from you [TS]

01:27:01   the error with the button on the trackpad or when he bought the business [TS]

01:27:03   in forever plus or minus some flexibility in the the underpinnings [TS]

01:27:08   that's why would we know some someone who cares less about these things and is [TS]

01:27:11   as less picky frankly what they can be like yeah whatever its keyboard you know [TS]

01:27:15   you can use the trackpad I didn't even notice anything different about whatever [TS]

01:27:18   its fine and that's that's very possible I mean you know there there are [TS]

01:27:23   certainly it is certainly valid to be skeptical are critical of my point of [TS]

01:27:27   view here because you think that I just knew and that's that's I don't know what [TS]

01:27:33   I can say is that in the last 10 34 years I have gone through periods where [TS]

01:27:40   I have regularly used six different keyboards I have I have used five [TS]

01:27:43   different desktop keyboards and and one keyboard on the laptop on fourth down [TS]

01:27:47   laptops to have a change the keyboard a long time every time I've moved between [TS]

01:27:52   two different keyboard there has been a very short period adjustment of few [TS]

01:27:57   hours and then I'm fine and on this keyboard on an epic one keyboard after [TS]

01:28:04   like an hour I was really fast and highly accurate on it and so i i think I [TS]

01:28:09   was I was able to adjust to it quickly I didn't like it and none of the keyboard [TS]

01:28:16   that I have used during this time I haven't thought that way about them like [TS]

01:28:19   this was definitely the worst keyboard in my opinion is the worst I've ever [TS]

01:28:23   used by I don't say that lightly used using keyboard and then I use a Dell [TS]

01:28:29   keyboard work for a long time back in the first job and I really can't say [TS]

01:28:33   this is the worst I've ever used I wanted to like it if it's not that I [TS]

01:28:37   went into this hoping to trash apple and return laptop that is the lesson I [TS]

01:28:41   really had convinced myself that it was going to work for me I really want like [TS]

01:28:45   it because physically look at this machine you pick it up you close it up [TS]

01:28:49   and you carry it you're like oh my god this is a great is amazing I wanted this [TS]

01:28:53   to work so badly and I just couldn't i couldn't do it I really wanna go to [TS]

01:29:00   store and try on a things cause I had a similar sort of even longer [TS]

01:29:05   uniformity of keyboard experience I use the app extended to keep to keyboard [TS]

01:29:09   from basically 1918 [TS]

01:29:10   92308 transition to you a series of terrible Apple USB keyboards until I [TS]

01:29:17   finally settled on the aluminum the current aluminum one that I have now [TS]

01:29:20   that's been around for many years and I think maybe these key switches on the [TS]

01:29:24   little ones aren't the same as their own laptops but they're very very similar if [TS]

01:29:27   not identical and so there has been a surprising amount of continuity in [TS]

01:29:32   recent history and for most of your Mac life of you know keyboard field and I [TS]

01:29:37   exact keyboard mechanism for the past several years and I'm assuming they're [TS]

01:29:43   not going to go to the super slim keyboard everywhere because it's so [TS]

01:29:46   obviously a compromise with Dennis why in the world would they do that of [TS]

01:29:51   course that flashbacks of why in the world today use the keyboard from the 12 [TS]

01:29:54   inch PowerBook on the 17 inch PowerBook but anyway I'm assuming that they will [TS]

01:30:00   not go to the super shallow travel keyboard and the the little bubble [TS]

01:30:04   switch mechanism that goes with it a lot to us four star track pad of course we [TS]

01:30:09   assume is going to be everywhere just gonna take that and you can deal with it [TS]

01:30:12   I'm I'm not worried about the trackpad because I like a dog track pads and if I [TS]

01:30:17   hate this one side of the more so what like it's got on a scale from 1 to 100 I [TS]

01:30:22   like trackpads about a 5-3 whatever you know it's not a big difference but for [TS]

01:30:28   the the keyboard I'm worried because I hate try I have laptops period I don't [TS]

01:30:35   like their keyboards at all not to that because the key presses because I'm [TS]

01:30:38   missing the keys on them and make them even worse like maybe I'll just switch [TS]

01:30:43   to typing on my iPad with my Apple Bluetooth keyboard or something if I [TS]

01:30:47   mean I do anyway you know when I was taking a deputy see I have a giant [TS]

01:30:52   battleship notebook which I don't like or the little iPad I don't like typing [TS]

01:30:56   in class even though I can kinda sorta do it you know it may be 18 but I also [TS]

01:31:04   you know like the 11 inch air I would love to have a little air and like this [TS]

01:31:07   is like a computer screen really small but type on it I really need to try one [TS]

01:31:15   of these out and see exactly how crazy you are [TS]

01:31:17   yeah I mean I I would please do I would love to hear your take on it just like I [TS]

01:31:22   published this of course because I read something about Apple that was not [TS]

01:31:27   entirely positive it spread all over the stupid rumor sites that the the [TS]

01:31:31   sensational south today I don't know why I blog anymore these honestly like when [TS]

01:31:38   somebody takes my article and put the sensational headline on it and rewrites [TS]

01:31:41   it make a sound way worse than what it actually was [TS]

01:31:44   that's the kind of the blog anymore well you know this if you want me to doctor I [TS]

01:31:49   can word doctor this up to make it i mean this decision was just totally out [TS]

01:31:52   of context I forget about them they're just gonna make stuff up whatever but [TS]

01:31:56   for the other people getting you know like does does the the the wording have [TS]

01:32:01   to do with other people getting up in arms about it making these vultures [TS]

01:32:04   sites realize that this where there's smoke they can make fire by like setting [TS]

01:32:08   things on fire and you know making things up I don't know what you said [TS]

01:32:11   here as described in white on my keyboard but then the article you say it [TS]

01:32:15   like you know until now Apple has never should be keyboard that it was less than [TS]

01:32:19   great everything you said it's more or less subjective like you don't feel like [TS]

01:32:22   it's Lindsay is not falling apart it's not missing your keystrokes right so [TS]

01:32:26   when when you write about these things [TS]

01:32:30   transitioning from here's why i cant stand this thing to this is this marks a [TS]

01:32:35   decline in the quality of a component an Apple laptop that is that had previously [TS]

01:32:39   been excellent throughout its history that's what I think it's people cranky [TS]

01:32:44   and just have their way with a hard I think what we need to find out what we [TS]

01:32:51   can only find out what time is whether Apple thinks this is really the best new [TS]

01:32:58   keyboard and whether it whether it does go into products that don't need to be [TS]

01:33:02   this then or whether it is only ever really in these like super thin lines of [TS]

01:33:07   the laptops I like the idea of the fantasy idea that everyone thought of [TS]

01:33:11   when they showed little video is to play a key cap that goes up and down straight [TS]

01:33:16   kind of like you know mechanical and you had to put this is a key caps with a [TS]

01:33:19   little you know if you look a little plastic bits under [TS]

01:33:22   this is little bit and they do kind of like they do go off center and wall [TS]

01:33:26   below but when you hit them right it would feel sturdy straight up straight [TS]

01:33:31   down so take the more more sort of like less wobbly key counts but then give [TS]

01:33:38   them more travel which I guess we mean you have to change the mechanism because [TS]

01:33:41   it sounds like your biggest complaint about this is not even so much as travel [TS]

01:33:44   but the mechanism that the lack of travel forces the key to have the little [TS]

01:33:47   dome thing like I'm assuming that's the root of the the unpleasantness of the [TS]

01:33:53   keyboard can you get the non wobbly benefits like the fact that it feels [TS]

01:34:00   solid that it you know and the larger keys in the small gaps can you get that [TS]

01:34:04   but also have good travel and a key switch maybe you can't like certainly [TS]

01:34:08   these new MacBook Pro 15 inches are not a measure of whether Apple's gonna do [TS]

01:34:13   this because we were just said they're they're just a stopgap solution and we [TS]

01:34:17   have no idea what their grand plans are wsb seaport so we may have to wait a [TS]

01:34:20   long time do we find out what does he think about this keyboard is confined to [TS]

01:34:25   this little skinny laptop or is something like this can happen elsewhere [TS]

01:34:29   at the very least it'll be interesting to see if they just make the key caps [TS]

01:34:32   bigger and just use the same mechanisms I would expect the first major redesign [TS]

01:34:37   to be next year when it comes out because introduces three new Porsche [TS]

01:34:42   maybe that's making me maybe they have USB 3 ports for USB seaport then so I [TS]

01:34:48   would expect the the first post MacBook major redesign of a new laptop to happen [TS]

01:34:54   within the next 10 9 to 12 months you know whenever they actually can ship in [TS]

01:34:58   the 13 15 retina MacBook Pro and that's what we see it so we'll we'll know in [TS]

01:35:03   about a year you know we'll know whether this keyboard moves on to other things [TS]

01:35:08   are stays here you know but I don't know if possible to use this kind of key [TS]

01:35:14   switch design in a way that's good in a way of it in the way that you like [TS]

01:35:19   that's what I'm getting like I did I don't know you're the first person I've [TS]

01:35:23   heard that visceral negative reaction to this thing and [TS]

01:35:26   my bet would be that most people are not in touch with these nuances of the [TS]

01:35:32   hardware but we'll see [TS]

01:35:35   well I would say mean Jason Snell's argument i think is very similar to mine [TS]

01:35:39   i mean he he addressed the issue a little better than I did but his I i [TS]

01:35:43   very much agree with him on the keyboard which is why he said something along the [TS]

01:35:46   lines of I got used to it during the review and i cant a break with nothing [TS]

01:35:50   but I hated every minute of it that is basically how I felt about it I could [TS]

01:35:54   type on just fine i got really fast we quickly on it it wasn't that big of a [TS]

01:35:57   deal to adjust but keep in mind for most people do their typing which is with [TS]

01:36:03   their sons on a phone screen which is way worse than this keyboard player that [TS]

01:36:07   is the common experience i'm just i'm wondering like what the tolerances this [TS]

01:36:10   type of thing both because people are just so used to the new computer thereby [TS]

01:36:14   being different and all sorts of weird way to get used to it and the idea that [TS]

01:36:19   people seem generally not to be sensitive keyboard feel at all in my [TS]

01:36:25   experience regular people who are not computer enthusiasts who don't read [TS]

01:36:28   computer magazines are computer websites keep up with computing or whatever I [TS]

01:36:33   mean like you said that they could delegate way he was as keyboards I feel [TS]

01:36:36   like it's pushing something down into modeling clay latest holy she remember [TS]

01:36:39   those things that mean that that's why I think of anything like the gateway and [TS]

01:36:42   dell keyboard thing they just thought I'd rather use that and people just [TS]

01:36:46   click away on them all day long in office and don't say a word is not even [TS]

01:36:50   the thing that it occurs to them not saying that's the bar for Apple like [TS]

01:36:54   they should find something that is good for people to enjoy things but I'm [TS]

01:36:58   thinking what will make apple change because you know Apple not gonna say oh [TS]

01:37:00   well some people don't like the keyboard feels let's make the next one player [TS]

01:37:04   right because they're down to the down to the wire here they're down to either [TS]

01:37:08   we don't put battery under keyboard which is gonna massively cut into our [TS]

01:37:11   batteries base and basically untenable or we make the things they like their [TS]

01:37:16   they have backed themselves into it then this corner here and so if they can't [TS]

01:37:19   make this work it's going to take some significant feedback has got to be some [TS]

01:37:23   backlash of bike ever has to be word on the street among like a USA Today [TS]

01:37:28   article I don't buy the new MacBook keyboard sucks but I don't see that are [TS]

01:37:32   coming anytime soon so far I feel like it would have been out there [TS]

01:37:35   will wait and see what you're right about liking it back into the corner [TS]

01:37:40   here what aggravates me about this is that they didn't need to like what what [TS]

01:37:46   aggravates me most about this into the air hardware versus the MacBook one [TS]

01:37:50   hardware proves that they could have done a retina MacBook one kind of [TS]

01:37:55   computer they could have done that even at 2 pounds I think they could have they [TS]

01:38:00   could have fit all this in but it would have to be a different shape and this is [TS]

01:38:04   the only shape this case could possibly be sorry for anything else [TS]

01:38:07   11 shares the same shape bigger like not exactly maybe you had 1,000,000 units [TS]

01:38:11   machine this is the product Apple envisioned accept their mission won't [TS]

01:38:15   you accepted there's no room for anything else this is the problem like [TS]

01:38:18   they they made this giant compromise on this keyboard and time will tell whether [TS]

01:38:24   whether whether it's clear that Apple thinks the compromise or whether they [TS]

01:38:28   actually commit themselves better I don't know I mean this is your keys that [TS]

01:38:32   you like the ones on your toes were also a compromise from the old style keep you [TS]

01:38:36   know because they have been gradually saying well you know how much can be [TS]

01:38:39   shave off a lot that I've got a Mac portable upstairs to his keys like that [TS]

01:38:43   you see again I delegate week like huge vertical like old-school desktop keys [TS]

01:38:50   the life of laptop keyboards has been a gradual thinning of them how much they [TS]

01:38:54   can make it how much energy so the one that you like is itself if in this if [TS]

01:38:59   you wanna call compromise or advanced than this advanced over the previous [TS]

01:39:03   image that advance of the previous winners advance of the previous one and [TS]

01:39:07   they change mechanisms are things going from plenty of things to Suzuki is going [TS]

01:39:11   from cities two domes which is I don't think this this advancement is that much [TS]

01:39:16   out of step with all the previous advancements but if you had been around [TS]

01:39:21   for the transition to see their switches from pleasure switches you probably [TS]

01:39:25   would have felt the same way that like I can type fast on this is Richie boards [TS]

01:39:29   but I hit every minute of it but I couldn't really all there is this is [TS]

01:39:32   which is never just get used to it that's fair maybe that will happen here [TS]

01:39:36   I don't know but it just it it kinda drives me nuts that they they they made [TS]

01:39:42   a massive compromise on this keyboard that doesn't honestly look necessary [TS]

01:39:48   well you'll be you'll be beggin for these domes which is when they go to a [TS]

01:39:52   capacitive touchscreen for their keeper yeah definitely [TS]

01:39:57   alright well thanks let's where three sponsors this week [TS]

01:40:00   bushel harvest and fracture and we will see you next week now the show is over [TS]

01:40:08   they didn't even mean to be accidental accidental john Kasay [TS]

01:40:22   it was shown to be a team Marco [TS]

01:41:05   did you see what happened to tell us what happened [TS]

01:41:15   web site go check it when you're a man of habit you sometimes forget to change [TS]

01:41:23   your habits and sometimes you repeat habits you don't want to repeat so it [TS]

01:41:29   just went for another swim I tried to tell you about the drink on a different [TS]

01:41:36   level not just far away on the same table but under different physical level [TS]

01:41:40   below water below [TS]

01:41:44   computer above I don't have another level of put it on john was a stack and [TS]

01:41:49   get a tray table you got upside-down garbage can maybe like maybe like one of [TS]

01:41:53   those at one of those Camelback things with the tubes are you running times so [TS]

01:41:58   angry at myself right now [TS]

01:41:59   podcasting camel does that I I feel so bad laughing right now so seriously how [TS]

01:42:07   long winded neutral starters January of [TS]

01:42:10   so it's been two and a half years that every single time I record either of my [TS]

01:42:17   two podcast I get my [TS]

01:42:19   it's a beer glass base that's like a pint glasses someone that cold water and [TS]

01:42:24   I stick it where my mouth goes as I don't use a mouse with a computer and I [TS]

01:42:28   record my show on for two and a quarter years I never had an issue then I put a [TS]

01:42:34   little bit of water on her computer and I told myself this will never happen [TS]

01:42:39   again you will use a water bottle that if you spill nothing will come out like [TS]

01:42:44   a sippy cup wouldn't know those things I can't live in front of me because that's [TS]

01:42:51   the problem is I don't have it in front of me I can't the name of it but while [TS]

01:42:55   he worked if you worked you would know what I'm talking about the case of the [TS]

01:42:59   house because you never leave the house have no idea what I'm talking about and [TS]

01:43:02   so I do have a house full sippy cups [TS]

01:43:04   well that's true so it's like an adult sippy cup was just leave it at that [TS]

01:43:07   it's not a Camelbak its I forget what the hell is called the housing bubble we [TS]

01:43:12   both know but this is never late it has little like felt that flips up kind of [TS]

01:43:16   like some child [TS]

01:43:18   and it doesn't matter anyway here [TS]

01:43:25   forget that that's the new routine and apparently my new routines to spill [TS]

01:43:30   water on errands laptop so this time it went for a good swim and I immediately [TS]

01:43:36   flipped upside down and everything was fine until I jostle the power cord then [TS]

01:43:42   it turned off and it doesn't seem to want to turn back on its own juice so I [TS]

01:43:47   think I've tried it it was just a plain old open today was just an open cup [TS]

01:43:51   that's why you're probably won't back down [TS]

01:43:53   yes and I've been doing well with using a water bottle but because I'm an idiot [TS]

01:43:57   I seriously I'm so programmed by routine that I just got my normal glass of water [TS]

01:44:05   like I always do or did I feel so now you didn't like it I thought your move [TS]

01:44:13   would be nothing unusual move now you know what that upside down but would you [TS]

01:44:18   also have you also not been yanking out the power cord at the same time are you [TS]

01:44:22   not last time because the podcast was my priority so I left it running you have a [TS]

01:44:27   full battery with your podcasting and put your computer I mean like once the [TS]

01:44:31   water spills on the move would be flipped over hang out with able auto [TS]

01:44:34   everything was left plugged in because the podcast is a priority [TS]

01:44:38   podcast will try to say this is the podcast fault no its not the don't [TS]

01:44:43   follow up in this case I'm not blaming Pakistan cleaning my own it really is [TS]

01:44:50   dead and injured suffering and wondering when it when some bit of corrosion that [TS]

01:44:58   was over lining rather than like a long drawn-out [TS]

01:45:02   period where you're nervous about is it gonna you know this is just like the [TS]

01:45:06   quick comeback you know around here I have a screwdriver that's like a double [TS]

01:45:11   here it is it's a doubles your screwdriver that of course isn't the [TS]

01:45:15   right size for these screws because they're so God microscopic that I can't [TS]

01:45:20   get it open so I was trying to pull the bottom cover but I'm afraid I'm gonna [TS]

01:45:25   stripped screws [TS]

01:45:26   just happened it hasn't you can try to get the water had dried out maybe we'll [TS]

01:45:33   start back up again who knows I did the problem is like it no one to be angry at [TS]

01:45:38   myself I'm not I wasn't trying to blame the podcast I have no one to be angry at [TS]

01:45:43   me know it but myself i mean i i dont you probably really particularly [TS]

01:45:48   frustrated right now is that that's like I always feel the worst when i screw [TS]

01:45:53   something I know it's totally my fault and it's just so like embarrassing and [TS]

01:45:59   frustrating that like it's just me I just screwed up like that that's the [TS]

01:46:03   thing is it's it's it's my own fault you think of it this way like the thing I've [TS]

01:46:07   noticed that people with expensive Apple hardware is a surprising number of [TS]

01:46:12   people break them by dropping them under hard services including laptops not just [TS]

01:46:17   owns an iPad the laptops to the number of laptop sightseeing with very large [TS]

01:46:21   dense and them are shattered screens from being dropped on the armed services [TS]

01:46:23   is surprisingly so if this year avoiding that one water spillage I did you don't [TS]

01:46:29   see those who is not as visible as they take up the computer doesn't but I see [TS]

01:46:33   lots of people dropping their things and you know the soldiers argues for the [TS]

01:46:38   next materials revolution in Apple laptops like so long time they were like [TS]

01:46:42   everything else works like a metal frame with plastic coming outside and then [TS]

01:46:45   there was a good transition with the titanium everything about this sold on [TS]

01:46:48   glass and aluminum machined aluminum right there will be another materials [TS]

01:46:54   revolution sometime in our lifetime they'll make these things more durable [TS]

01:46:58   two drops and hopefully more water resistant frustrating thing is it's not [TS]

01:47:05   like my old ThinkPad which I could like you know puff air into it and kind of [TS]

01:47:09   try to blow the thing out but this [TS]

01:47:11   I don't think that would help as I think you mean you don't know are you blind [TS]

01:47:14   little water droplets towards the part they're going to damage or away from the [TS]

01:47:18   part that there really damaging don't wouldn't suggest that move there's also [TS]

01:47:24   no light so I can't even tell what's happening all the reasons I love my max [TS]

01:47:28   now heating if I hate everything except you guys alright so we're gonna fix [TS]

01:47:37   problem you're gonna get a new computer and then we're going to tell you about [TS]

01:47:40   these awesome policies a lot of homeowners insurance accident damage [TS]

01:47:46   coverage for things like computers will help the insurance adjuster doesn't [TS]

01:47:49   listen to the program assesses risk yeah seriously i mean you can look at a [TS]

01:47:55   rather than being so hard on yourself for this moment look at it instead as [TS]

01:48:00   you've recorded like a hundred and twenty podcast hundred and thirty [TS]

01:48:04   podcast episodes and water during two of them also also the number of your [TS]

01:48:11   belongings that you care about the Declan will destroy will plug it back [TS]

01:48:18   into power in trying to turn the thing on is not helping either wait wait wait [TS]

01:48:22   wait hold on hold on I see an apple logo you may have you may not have an undead [TS]

01:48:27   computer magazines on the computer at this point the same thing is I was [TS]

01:48:31   really going to tell you like beg you to call this out of the show but now if [TS]

01:48:35   this actually comes back to life even momentarily this may be worth leaving in [TS]

01:48:40   its worth it back on its back on its back on him again but but when you type [TS]

01:48:46   your fingers get wet but I mean first of all you should probably turn it off but [TS]

01:48:50   the problem is that the battery is always connected on these like you have [TS]

01:48:53   to disassemble it to take to disconnect the battery so it's kind of always [TS]

01:48:58   powered to some degree turn it back off but that there's hope now in with the [TS]

01:49:07   last bill when we got everyone's weird recommendation to say last bill is not [TS]

01:49:14   mad at you I'm just saying it's we have to now specify which friend spill it is [TS]

01:49:18   but anyway for the last bill did you learn any techniques or tricks that you [TS]

01:49:23   can use now [TS]

01:49:24   you did already I don't know why I heard all the wives tales and husbands tales [TS]

01:49:36   about how to get stuff out and so on and so forth and really the reality of the [TS]

01:49:43   situation was I was just very lucky I know this probably sounds like crap [TS]

01:49:46   cause I keep trying to look at this thing and try to salvage its iPod and [TS]

01:49:51   not practicing good microphone technique but anyway so yes I know we do and I'm [TS]

01:50:00   gonna be talking about it in the future problems are you gotta leave it did you [TS]

01:50:06   know you can play like a friggin harmonica do you think it's also a [TS]

01:50:20   keyboard not not a bad keyboard but I think I would rather use that keyboard [TS]

01:50:27   wet the only thing I've got it when I T things going for me 1 I'm not drinking [TS]

01:50:34   which is probably good because then it's just doubling down on the ineptitude we [TS]

01:50:38   were you drinking last time now [TS]

01:50:40   no actually I wasn't maybe this is the problem with that is the issue but now [TS]

01:50:46   I'm not drinking which means it's it's only single [TS]

01:50:50   a single level of ineptitude however repeated the funding as if you were [TS]

01:50:54   drinking like a highly distilled alcoholic spirits by a few plus that [TS]

01:50:58   means yes it would evaporate a lot faster and there'll be less stuff in it [TS]

01:51:04   that is a good point actually just evaporated instantly now I that's why I [TS]

01:51:10   was gonna say it wasn't like a a sprite or anything like that so at least I [TS]

01:51:14   won't be sticky 1388 you guys so either way so you know if you if this doesn't [TS]

01:51:22   make it then you know John wins then you know then you you least like Italy's be [TS]

01:51:27   over if it does make it it'll be really impressive either way the show which is [TS]

01:51:34   unfortunately either way I think you lose it [TS]

01:51:37   Aaron losses and we just got an email recommending the the depot repair that [TS]

01:51:40   Marco just did his thing that apparently the covers water damage as well if you [TS]

01:51:45   just want to throw it to the mercies of the depot repair and paid in three [TS]

01:51:48   hundred bucks [TS]

01:51:49   well that's the thing though that's what we talked about a few episodes ago is [TS]

01:51:52   that I've heard the depot repair is free if you are nice to the genius of her [TS]

01:51:56   tits $300 I've heard it's $800 I've heard I think once or twice it was over [TS]

01:52:01   a thousand I kid you not I have probably heard 10 to 20 responses to how much [TS]

01:52:06   depot repair is in up those 10 to 20 responses I would say I've heard five or [TS]

01:52:12   six different answers but we don't you find out the price before you send it [TS]

01:52:15   down there now [TS]

01:52:16   well yes yes for the deep enough for all repairs to the depot repair yes it's a [TS]

01:52:20   flat rate repair depot repair is literally like you give them X dollars [TS]

01:52:24   whatever it is for that model and and then they replace anything in there that [TS]

01:52:29   fails testing this is a problem you have first of all is what they get it [TS]

01:52:34   anywhere in the testimony of God that would be kinda funny it would be [TS]

01:52:42   terrible but it would be kinda funny from what I've heard there is a separate [TS]

01:52:45   type of repair for water damage where they basically replace the entire Gordon [TS]

01:52:50   everything inside that is a lot more expensive that thought I think somebody [TS]

01:52:53   told me with 944 that model that you have so it's that's the one that's [TS]

01:52:58   really not worth doing in most cases you know what maybe I know what I probably [TS]

01:53:02   should do if I'm really honest is I should just spend $1,000 $1,100 whatever [TS]

01:53:07   it was in get Aaron her own freaking MacBook Air and then leave this one if [TS]

01:53:13   it still works as need all my god when is it going to die you but you did this [TS]

01:53:19   to yourself [TS]

01:53:20   podcasting computer it it kind of the worst podcasting if you like the last [TS]

01:53:27   thing you want for podcasting computer is something unreliable something that [TS]

01:53:30   that is very unreliable potentially and also that [TS]

01:53:35   I am so angry at myself right now well hey you know if you get the MacBook one [TS]

01:53:40   it wouldn't have a fan so that would solve the problem of your other computer [TS]

01:53:44   in that's true but I mean obviously the funny thing is I actually am due for a [TS]

01:53:48   new computer both at work and at home I mean leaving aside the MacBook Air I [TS]

01:53:53   should take my room is my office is such a mess but I should I was going to say [TS]

01:53:57   should take a picture of the puddle of water that's adjacent to where the [TS]

01:54:01   computer sets that was other debris from this village because it's it's a [TS]

01:54:07   significant puddle and maybe you could sign the computer and auction it off [TS]

01:54:11   yes seriously fan art from the show an artifact such an idyllic I made it [TS]

01:54:18   happen but just like you said Michael I'm more than anything I'm mad that I [TS]

01:54:21   didn't learn from my last mistake and such an idiot you're 50 mean things up [TS]

01:54:29   in life sometimes it's reality that's that's a human being I mean look you [TS]

01:54:33   have a kid now that you have no idea how many scripts are ahead of you [TS]

01:54:37   drinks at the table to start counting them up into you just my kids are still [TS]

01:54:43   spilling double-digit age is 31 injuring no use crying over spilled milk all [TS]

01:54:52   spilled water it happens you know that's life at this stuff happens maybe maybe [TS]

01:54:59   it's some kind of sign forms of spirit that just really hate MacBook Airs maybe [TS]

01:55:04   or delete that one could give accurate current MacBook Air now after doing this [TS]

01:55:09   twice did it removes all doubt that in at least this way I am the idiot of the [TS]

01:55:13   three of us and that's also deeply frustrated I'll come on no it doesn't [TS]

01:55:16   perhaps the least coordinated going to say it has nothing to do with [TS]

01:55:20   intelligence maybe control of their limbs [TS]

01:55:23   intelligence otherwise they would make like you know the world's greatest [TS]

01:55:29   athletes the world's smartest people [TS]

01:55:31   I just bought a whole computer wrong thing to do though that is that is just [TS]

01:55:38   the thing you do [TS]