The Accidental Tech Podcast

115: Empathy for the Machine


00:00:01   one about the cat game yeah it's more boring than I thought it was about you [TS]

00:00:04   get to play with the cats are some good photos interactive in some way but they [TS]

00:00:07   just show up yet used it just like real cats you don't really interact with the [TS]

00:00:11   mucus kinda feed them and right as I could you just so excited today exists [TS]

00:00:16   that you exist at the same time you don't get to play with the cats you [TS]

00:00:20   don't get like throw them toys they don't just show up [TS]

00:00:24   leave you crap and then leave yet I don't really care about you they just [TS]

00:00:27   care about your food and you can even interact with them right just like cats [TS]

00:00:32   don't like it don't like cats are we talking about this Microsoft stuff at [TS]

00:00:38   some point I think we should even though in the grand tradition it's like [TS]

00:00:41   happened today nobody knows about anything about it but whatever we [TS]

00:00:44   already headlines right side takes in our pundits all we need is a headline [TS]

00:00:48   well this is pretty much all you guys because I was really not following any [TS]

00:00:53   of this I was using my Apple watch all day but you can't say anything about him [TS]

00:00:59   but I don't know anything about the Microsoft stuff see you soon I think I [TS]

00:01:01   think we have a lot to cover from subsets of us you know that this will be [TS]

00:01:05   will be taking turns [TS]

00:01:06   we might as well start as we always start with John taking the turn of [TS]

00:01:10   follow-up we had a lot of follow up this week but now that I read through it is [TS]

00:01:14   just long but I don't think it will take a long time because they're all small [TS]

00:01:17   Adams famous last words everyone look at the time stamp I was right last time I [TS]

00:01:22   said that we got through it quickly I think we will today to ok so the first [TS]

00:01:26   one is from John tall giving us more more color as they say in Apple earnings [TS]

00:01:31   calls about the Seagate [TS]

00:01:34   the bed Seagate hard drive thing that we talked about and this is from 2011 and [TS]

00:01:41   says it was actually a bug in their firmware it specifically it was a bug in [TS]

00:01:46   a counter that kept track of how many times the drive had spun up and the [TS]

00:01:50   counter would overflow and it would make the drive think that it was brand new [TS]

00:01:54   that had never been spun up and there is in the form of reduced discounters only [TS]

00:02:01   when its brand new its been up really quickly and when he gets older take a [TS]

00:02:04   little longer to spin up [TS]

00:02:06   and the reason hard I want to know how long it takes us been upto they want to [TS]

00:02:09   know when it's safe to put their heads on top of the desk if you think the [TS]

00:02:13   Wikipedia hard drive page or maybe howStuffWorks deja something we don't [TS]

00:02:17   know how hard drives work they had these little heads look kind of like the order [TS]

00:02:21   they called in and phonographs Casey the tone arm or whatever with a stylus [TS]

00:02:27   something like that what the stylus is the needle but I think you are talking [TS]

00:02:30   about the tonearm I think I don't even pay too much attention as much as I have [TS]

00:02:34   this this reputation for being obsessed with vinyl I'm not even sure you know [TS]

00:02:39   hard drives and SSDs for people who don't know how hard drives works trying [TS]

00:02:43   to explain it as an analogy for records which they probably might have never [TS]

00:02:48   seen and even I who grew up with breakfast I know that the party called [TS]

00:02:50   anyway it's a little arm that goes over the desk and it's got a little redhead [TS]

00:02:54   on it as you talk about the distance a little redhead that that reads a little [TS]

00:02:58   you know the magnetic thing that reads little blips on the desk of magnetic [TS]

00:03:04   poles or whatever that head is really really close to the desk that had cannot [TS]

00:03:09   touch the disc is it touches the desk it ruins it because the discus spinning [TS]

00:03:13   very fast and it's made of I don't know some kind of you know metal glass [TS]

00:03:16   whatever material the head is actually pretty hard and it touches it at the [TS]

00:03:19   head crash that will put a big out in the disc and you basically printed and [TS]

00:03:23   that's where the term crash and computers comes from is it comes from [TS]

00:03:27   yeah it's it's it's hard drive heads crashing into the platters and therefore [TS]

00:03:31   like killing the drive and you lose your data and reasoning when you save my [TS]

00:03:35   computer crashed that was what you meant I'm not sure if that's true solicitation [TS]

00:03:39   come in and tell us whether that's crazy all I know about the bug that was the [TS]

00:03:42   moth flew into the big machine trip to the original bug but anyway so it it [TS]

00:03:47   wants to know when is it safe to bring the heads onto the desk but it is off [TS]

00:03:51   the heads are often the side they're not they're not over the discs at all their [TS]

00:03:54   parked exactly so in the parking lot why does it matter how fast the disc is [TS]

00:03:58   spinning we can't you just bring the head down whenever they feel like it no [TS]

00:04:01   because the the thing that keeps the heads from touching the disc is a tiny [TS]

00:04:05   cushion of air between the head of the disk and it's super tiny like they were [TS]

00:04:08   shut the diagram shows like a human hair next to the gap and the human hair like [TS]

00:04:12   dwarfs the gap between the haves and the have to be really really close but can't [TS]

00:04:17   touch [TS]

00:04:17   and so it's really important that the discs be spinning fast enough for the [TS]

00:04:23   heads to be able to saving a lot to it and if that account overflows and the [TS]

00:04:26   mechanism the hard drive thanks dead it brand new distance from respond right [TS]

00:04:30   away and the heads out the crash the disco to kill them and so this is a [TS]

00:04:34   firmware bug that causes a hardware failure that affected a lot of Seagate [TS]

00:04:38   dress apparently alright we will put a link to how stuff works that on page 95 [TS]

00:04:46   of the slideshow what page was that on p [TS]

00:04:49   I think it's seven of that slideshow of the they show what jon is describing so [TS]

00:04:54   we'll have that the show notes I wanted to jump in and do a very brief piece of [TS]

00:04:59   follow-up I am talking to everyone on errands MacBook Air and the one that [TS]

00:05:05   went for a little swim last week that is going to be a short show it actually [TS]

00:05:13   knock on my glass desk has been doing just fine I'm not expecting that to [TS]

00:05:18   continue on forever I'm expecting to do [TS]

00:05:22   Casey anyway moving on then all kidding aside it is fine I'm surprised by that I [TS]

00:05:31   have heard several conflicting reports as to how much Apple will charge me to [TS]

00:05:35   fix this if it does eventually Fri I've heard a couple hundred dollars I've [TS]

00:05:41   heard well maybe a genius will take pity on you i've heard $800 and anywhere in [TS]

00:05:47   between so hopefully I'll never have to find out but as of tonight on Wednesday [TS]

00:05:54   what is the 28th 29th or something like that [TS]

00:05:57   29th Ave Wednesday the 29th of April it is still working much to my surprise I'm [TS]

00:06:01   very happy about that how you made that website though like the the death watch [TS]

00:06:06   website right yeah I did I did actually make a Deathwatch website and what I did [TS]

00:06:11   was I found a site somewhere that would create a launch DEP list for me and that [TS]

00:06:17   launched a plist would then just launched curl and tickle URL on my [TS]

00:06:22   website but it's very unreliable in so part of the reason I haven't publicized [TS]

00:06:27   this link is because it reports errands Mac is being broken in dead way more [TS]

00:06:35   often than it actually is broken and dad I went to it I saw that it was that I [TS]

00:06:41   first or second I was upset and said you know what that's probably just a minor [TS]

00:06:44   in failure [TS]

00:06:45   exactly and so i the reason I haven't given this to the Internet is because as [TS]

00:06:49   much as I know everyone would be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts [TS]

00:06:52   no I'm not being sarcastic I mean that I would be getting hourly if not [TS]

00:06:56   minute-by-minute reports that Aaron's computers that I must check on it go [TS]

00:07:00   look right now oh my god it says it's dead when in reality it's probably user [TS]

00:07:04   error with me and lunch D but one way or another it's just not a very reliable [TS]

00:07:08   mechanism for monitoring the Mac so there is a website for it I will not be [TS]

00:07:13   showing the link because it's not a very good link and it's not worth paying [TS]

00:07:16   attention to but it is a life and end did you you said that you went to a [TS]

00:07:21   website to generate it launched d so I don't know anything about launch day and [TS]

00:07:26   I was originally going to use [TS]

00:07:28   gonna set up a cron job [TS]

00:07:30   but I can never get Ronson tax rate and so is figuring out okay well what do I [TS]

00:07:34   have available to me you know can I just do a scheduled task sort of thing and [TS]

00:07:39   maybe there's an easier way of doing this that I just didn't think of her [TS]

00:07:42   StumbleUpon but one way or another I ended up going to this website that [TS]

00:07:47   generated this just silly [TS]

00:07:49   humongous plist for launch team and again I don't really know what I'm [TS]

00:07:55   talking about it apparently what launched he does is it did you give it [TS]

00:07:59   to specialists and you say on the 5th minute of these year with our go run [TS]

00:08:06   this command on the 10th minute of this year with our go run this command on the [TS]

00:08:10   15th minute of this year there in this continues to all 24 hours a day and it [TS]

00:08:14   then so because of that this playlist was enormous maybe that's not how it's [TS]

00:08:18   designed to be used if it's not it doesn't really matter I i to be honest I [TS]

00:08:22   don't really care but I tried to do that real quick and I thought it was working [TS]

00:08:27   but not so much I put a link to an app that will make watch the palace for you [TS]

00:08:32   because there are much more robust and then Casey saying that he didn't know [TS]

00:08:37   ron is a tax on top of that is the most Windows Developer thing I've ever heard [TS]

00:08:40   him say that I anyone who has ever done every side of the windows are right i [TS]

00:08:50   John and I and I find bodies syntax completely inscrutable yeah that's why [TS]

00:08:55   they're like yeah I don't think he's crazy to get help doing that because it [TS]

00:08:59   is like ron is easy its just you know a bunch of items in my daughter and you [TS]

00:09:03   memorize it and if you forget dunno man five crontab to refresh your memory [TS]

00:09:07   whatever to see we view this version supports / 5 syntax are not arranged [TS]

00:09:11   that much to stop its way more complicated and I bet only to people who [TS]

00:09:16   develop lunch the Apple have memorized all the options on the different things [TS]

00:09:20   you can add that even if you gonna do it like [TS]

00:09:22   by hand you'd use apples pls pls by hand animals and their thing its Lincoln or [TS]

00:09:30   whatever is named after the barrier the fruit I have heard of it somewhere near [TS]

00:09:34   be careful because you can skip the system of that like it lets you see I [TS]

00:09:38   think all the people dislike the systemwide things and even like what is [TS]

00:09:41   this I don't understand is I can't believe that [TS]

00:09:43   just you know be careful out there is a test IKEA yeah nice I will put the site [TS]

00:09:50   I used in the show that well as well its launch 20 with dot com and again all it [TS]

00:09:55   does is you say when you want this thing to run it generates a humongous sleeper [TS]

00:09:58   both launched deepest photos photos from Andrew woods he is making sure that we [TS]

00:10:07   know that photos there's a whole bunch of stuff in the background even after [TS]

00:10:10   its done importing said activity minor in his 2010 MacBook Pro show today [TS]

00:10:16   taking all four cores for virtual cores for a long time so his recommendation [TS]

00:10:21   was to check activity minor and wait until things settle down and things [TS]

00:10:26   really are idle before judging his performance as i think is that in the [TS]

00:10:29   last show I did like i'm looking Activity Monitor I'm making sure that I [TS]

00:10:33   don't see the cloudy process the grinding away or whatever you know I let [TS]

00:10:37   it to really get into that steady-state over the course of many days where I [TS]

00:10:41   didn't see anything in top or whatever and then just tried to this outsider [TS]

00:10:44   judging it after it had gone to announce that is even worse of course if the [TS]

00:10:48   middle of doing face recognition or even uploading.com but that's something if [TS]

00:10:53   someone did you are trying for the first time and you're not accustomed to [TS]

00:10:57   launching activity monitor and sorting by CPU and seeing everything is grinding [TS]

00:11:01   away there will be a period of time after the importance quote-unquote done [TS]

00:11:05   when things are still going on she said let's to see if you ran i stat menus you [TS]

00:11:12   would know immediately whether these things were thinking about your CPU tell [TS]

00:11:17   you which processes is hurting your CPU for all you know could be colonel [TS]

00:11:20   underscore task and then it doesn't help you much so that you see nothing about [TS]

00:11:24   you just click on the thing that shows you all the top process just click on [TS]

00:11:28   the dock icon shows no atop process is the name that I could start them and [TS]

00:11:33   when I'm done looking at a quick the absolute not they're updating every [TS]

00:11:35   three seconds [TS]

00:11:36   scan the entire process table operating system acquiring and releasing colonel [TS]

00:11:41   ox over and over and over again with nobody looking at it he's got in [TS]

00:11:47   particular the computer trying to instill in a programmer should all have [TS]

00:11:52   empathy for the machine because it makes you write code that isn't stupid I don't [TS]

00:11:59   even know where to go thanks let two or three spots empathy with the computer [TS]

00:12:05   I'm I keep saying that people look at me like I'm crazy but don't you feel that [TS]

00:12:08   when you write code that like I don't know just something simple like hoisting [TS]

00:12:13   an invariant out of the loop why doing that you just do it like you have to [TS]

00:12:18   sort of put yourself in the position of the computer and the different machinery [TS]

00:12:22   you just feel guilty about making some process be repeated over and over again [TS]

00:12:26   when you know the result is going to be the same it's like you're just wasting [TS]

00:12:29   everybody's time you're just wasting battery it's negligible students [TS]

00:12:34   premature opposition blah blah blah but if you have no empathy for the computer [TS]

00:12:38   then you just do everything in a ridiculous way and your entire program [TS]

00:12:42   is just one giant gray haze of Hot Spot Assist like to eat soup of super [TS]

00:12:48   slowness so I think I'm pretty happy with the computer is an important skill [TS]

00:12:52   that programmers should acquire so why do you program and scripting language [TS]

00:12:55   you want do you have a computer but you don't want to be putting toggle switches [TS]

00:13:01   right you know I'll be standing near your bits and magnetic core memory by [TS]

00:13:04   hand right that's a balanced but no matter what level you're programming at [TS]

00:13:08   there's nothing between the most well-known i'm saying is like it's even [TS]

00:13:12   more important when you're in a high-level programming language right [TS]

00:13:15   now is to some degree you don't have control over some things but if you know [TS]

00:13:18   that for example here in a high-level programming language and function calls [TS]

00:13:21   are relatively expensive compared to how fast it is to say jump to an address in [TS]

00:13:24   an assembly program you like do I really need to get all the arguments into the [TS]

00:13:30   railroad is serious to put that I wanna jump into the race to jump to register [TS]

00:13:34   to like do all the stuff of the return value put that into the right place [TS]

00:13:37   return Papa stack you know like make a new stack frame doing stuff to really do [TS]

00:13:41   that our place in line [TS]

00:13:42   I got his empathy with the compiler and and and every level that works in a [TS]

00:13:46   high-level language you have to know which things are slowing your high-level [TS]

00:13:49   language in which things which can you avoid much things you can can you in any [TS]

00:13:52   language doesn't know what languages high level of me love this something [TS]

00:13:56   that just apply all the time I don't do something over and over again when the [TS]

00:13:59   results can be same you know don't make copies when you can pass around [TS]

00:14:03   references if you language supports that concept like it doesn't really matter [TS]

00:14:07   how simple it and you could well I can make it under the covers in other [TS]

00:14:10   languages smart enough to copy on write in this really efficient or whatever but [TS]

00:14:13   I guess it comes out to someone knowing her language I think it's more important [TS]

00:14:18   when you get into higher-level languages not less likely to high-level languages [TS]

00:14:23   have the potential for something innocuous that if you knew how two [TS]

00:14:26   languages and let her know what is slipping as long as language black man [TS]

00:14:29   really seriously whereas in with your dad assembly you might feel some [TS]

00:14:33   sympathy but in general with everything you do is pass is very limited to write [TS]

00:14:37   a line at a time that can make things up [TS]

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00:18:27   about hard links yeah there's a little bit of confusion about hard things I [TS]

00:18:31   don't think I did a good job of explaining the last time I just assumed [TS]

00:18:33   everybody knew that we put the hard links link unless we show that forget I [TS]

00:18:39   don't remember doing so but I'm not a hundred percent sure they will put it in [TS]

00:18:42   this one so there's a tweet someone saying you know about the photos that I [TS]

00:18:47   pretty hard links instead of an entirely new library and then send me a [TS]

00:18:50   screenshot showing the I the photos library annex the library said yes I [TS]

00:18:54   said I was going to make a whole new library but look this is a whole new [TS]

00:18:56   library I'm like yeah but the other one is far thanks I said really it says each [TS]

00:19:00   one is forty five gigabytes so that's the thing about hard things will put the [TS]

00:19:04   link for the link that shows you can read this long thing from my lowest [TS]

00:19:07   interviews about it from back in 2007 but the short version is you've got a [TS]

00:19:12   file on disk you can think of it as a blob of data that sitting on your desk [TS]

00:19:15   somewhere and it has a name associated with it and that's how you can find that [TS]

00:19:19   day that you this name as you know you go through this name food whatever food [TS]

00:19:25   i text it leads to these bites that name attached outside of bites can be said to [TS]

00:19:32   be a link that's how you get ready get to those bites and go well I looked them [TS]

00:19:36   up by going through that tax rates you can make another name that points that [TS]

00:19:41   same set of bites on disc called Barden text Barta texts one way to get that [TS]

00:19:45   same blob of bites and food at Texas when we get us involved but still just [TS]

00:19:49   one bottle but it's two different names that point to it [TS]

00:19:52   those are hardly see now that said that set of data on disk has to hardly [TS]

00:19:56   everything can be said that one hardly and it's a conceptual in the UNIX system [TS]

00:20:01   through which we don't want to talk about but anyway [TS]

00:20:04   conceptually every pound has caused one hard link and that's like the name of [TS]

00:20:08   the file you make a second hard link we call that second one though that's [TS]

00:20:11   hardly the first one was just the file right guys at the second one is a hard [TS]

00:20:15   link to [TS]

00:20:15   right really it's if you want to think of it correctly conceptually the first [TS]

00:20:21   one is also hard like this all number of you that the UNIX shell prompt the US [TS]

00:20:26   command will show you a number number number of links to this thing most of us [TS]

00:20:30   have a one next to it if you make a hard line to file to go up your seats who [TS]

00:20:33   that's about that's what this article shows and since the point the same [TS]

00:20:38   bucket of data gets more complicated if you use an editor that edits the file in [TS]

00:20:43   place that does not do it many editors do which is make a complete copy of the [TS]

00:20:47   file and rename and on top of the file I do some other update if you use it [TS]

00:20:50   actually edit the file and place and you add it to either one of those names you [TS]

00:20:54   will be editing the same because just one bucket of bits if you change it and [TS]

00:20:59   then you look at the contents of food at X number of texts they still they both [TS]

00:21:02   went to the same bubble butt said you had it through Barton text it changes [TS]

00:21:05   the same but you could edit Barnett text and then show that the output of what's [TS]

00:21:10   inside food at external show your edits right that's a hard things work if you [TS]

00:21:15   get info on any of those files that you list the file with lis if you get info [TS]

00:21:18   in the Finder the law say how big is it no sale how big is the big bucket of [TS]

00:21:23   bits so it's like it's to make it 25 megs it's five digs they'll both state [TS]

00:21:27   that the tricky part is that if you have said you had a hard drive that was like [TS]

00:21:31   a hundred megs and you had a 99 make filing it you make 75 hard links that 99 [TS]

00:21:36   make file and every single one of those 1775 I'll say I'm 99 megabyte I'm not [TS]

00:21:41   that I may as I have you have as many 99 megabyte file to disk is only a hundred [TS]

00:21:45   megabytes how could they all fit it's just one set of 95 may write these [TS]

00:21:48   hardly does not add any data so when photos that makes a new photos library [TS]

00:21:53   and you see it right next year iPhoto library inside both of those libraries [TS]

00:21:58   are a bunch of you know the one of them has the court originals and then there [TS]

00:22:02   really is a implementation difference on the cover and the other one just as hard [TS]

00:22:05   links but if you get info on both them in the final the both said that they're [TS]

00:22:08   the same size after they're done roughly like oh I'm 45 digs and so am i but it's [TS]

00:22:12   only one set of 45 digs for the photo data on your desk now there are files [TS]

00:22:16   that are private photos like we are too many day-to-day basis and so on and so [TS]

00:22:19   forth that the photos themselves that's what's making hard thanks to those [TS]

00:22:22   things take up the majority of them [TS]

00:22:24   so it yes it is very confusing and if you try to do the math you just get info [TS]

00:22:28   on these libraries and try to do the math and say okay so I've got a 45 big [TS]

00:22:31   library in 45 big library that means I'm using 90 gigs of space and I told rise [TS]

00:22:36   face like the math won't add up right that's just how hard links work and to [TS]

00:22:40   make things more complicated to lash out as you edit files but the Photos app [TS]

00:22:45   people take something that was a hard link and changed into a copy because it [TS]

00:22:50   doesn't want to mess with your iPhoto library so if you make a modification to [TS]

00:22:53   the actual photo by which I mean if it happens maybe if you change the geotag [TS]

00:22:57   data which has Casey said you can even do at this point but if you were to [TS]

00:22:59   change that [TS]

00:23:01   locally it will it will make a copy of it and they will slowly diverge from [TS]

00:23:04   each other so they do that to keep them separate that's not a property of [TS]

00:23:07   hardlines the application itself was doing that the application of courses [TS]

00:23:11   itself is it free to do anything like that as a not but not as nothing to do [TS]

00:23:15   with the nature of Arlington as I said as you see a demo link if you have two [TS]

00:23:19   are linked to the same block of data and you go through either one of them today [TS]

00:23:22   they both see the changes the photos application itself prevent that from [TS]

00:23:25   happening [TS]

00:23:26   sort of manually by making happy when it's too so it's confusing our thanks [TS]

00:23:31   and the talks about some links to what you're a different thing [TS]

00:23:34   photos and creating confusion for people who can't tell how much free space they [TS]

00:23:38   have on their discussion tomorrow night so how about shared albums is a bummer [TS]

00:23:43   when Steve Hildebrand said even if you try to do that crazy system I said less [TS]

00:23:48   time of like throwing all your photos into the family photo library that share [TS]

00:23:51   with your whole family apparently you can only have five thousand photos in a [TS]

00:23:54   shared album so that wouldn't have worked anyway but kinda makes sense like [TS]

00:23:58   you shouldn't be using shared albums as a way to show your whole library there's [TS]

00:24:02   just be a way to share your library and haven't read right but there isn't and [TS]

00:24:06   fewer than 5,000 photos you can't you can't even like manually do it how about [TS]

00:24:12   what goes on with a MacBook Air with 7,800 photos ever talked about [TS]

00:24:18   performance last time and there was like well I'm using a 2011 MacBook Air maybe [TS]

00:24:23   it's just slow because i dont have a lot of Rambus Laura computer so [TS]

00:24:27   mucho Spanish says that he has a very small library on a 2012 MacBook Air just [TS]

00:24:32   seven thousand and photos and keyword is still slow and then our friend will [TS]

00:24:37   hands says very slow for per photo operation operations and he's on a [TS]

00:24:41   maxed-out iMac wife kim also we couldn't sync iCloud I just am not really sold on [TS]

00:24:47   why this is something I need my life right now like the idea of being able to [TS]

00:24:51   you get to any of my pictures in the photo chooser in print in like a special [TS]

00:24:55   and I West that sounds appealing in principle but hearing how much it slows [TS]

00:25:00   down your iOS device anytime you go to the photo cheeser that sounds freaking [TS]

00:25:04   terrible and just a lot of this i must say I never use photos by any stretch of [TS]

00:25:09   the imagination but it just does not sound like it's something I want my life [TS]

00:25:12   right now I don't know if it's working great for me the only the only problem [TS]

00:25:16   I'm seeing with it is what many people have reported in joining think you said [TS]

00:25:20   it's too which is that the the photo picker takes a long time to come up for [TS]

00:25:24   anything that uses that lists the photos so that the biggest time I see this is [TS]

00:25:29   after I've taken a new picture on the iPhone when I want to tap on it to bring [TS]

00:25:33   it up to view the picture I just took there's like a five or 10 second delay [TS]

00:25:37   just nothing happened [TS]

00:25:39   the phone is frozen and then it comes up that that's really seeing issues besides [TS]

00:25:45   that which is annoying but not that major problem it's just a frequent [TS]

00:25:51   annoyance beside that if I've had no problems and I and that's the kind of [TS]

00:25:54   thing that I would imagine and hope that they would be working on it like they [TS]

00:25:59   would notice that and work that out in the next version of iOS is it just [TS]

00:26:03   tweets talking about the slowness in like flow is not a measure of a thing is [TS]

00:26:08   like it feels slow to them and I think especially with single photo operations [TS]

00:26:11   or like doing something like a wording that you think I'm not asking you to run [TS]

00:26:16   some crazy you know filter blur you know there's no image effects is not a [TS]

00:26:21   massive metadata please just associated keywords with these three photos right [TS]

00:26:25   these people are reporting that it is quarter-on-quarter slow because they [TS]

00:26:29   think that the thing that they're doing shouldn't take as long as it takes and I [TS]

00:26:32   agree with them [TS]

00:26:33   but we don't have any measure C you never know like will hand says it is [TS]

00:26:37   very slow unperfor operations I maxed out I'm a club case is that because he [TS]

00:26:42   just expects it to be really fast and I'm at my pay his operations maybe five [TS]

00:26:46   times as fast as mine but he has a greater expectations because he's got a [TS]

00:26:49   brand new computer and willing to accept them some sluts but bottom line is [TS]

00:26:52   reception wise I think it feels slow and some other people seem to agree and I'm [TS]

00:26:57   depressed that even people with small libraries and even people with much [TS]

00:27:01   newer fancier computers than me [TS]

00:27:02   also a feeling that operation steal slow this shouldn't be slow maybe somebody [TS]

00:27:08   didn't have enough empathy for the computer and design didn't like it [TS]

00:27:12   that's the type of that's kind of a design things like why might it be slow [TS]

00:27:15   I can tell you from experience that once you get into the large number of items [TS]

00:27:19   and a sequel a database sequel aight legalized performance characteristics [TS]

00:27:24   especially for like inserts into it like a database table that has thousands or [TS]

00:27:29   millions of records like just drawn that experiment database but a simple scheme [TS]

00:27:34   it started sorting south and see and do a time and say how many rows can answer [TS]

00:27:38   per second and watch that performance slowly slowly getting worse as you get [TS]

00:27:43   into the millions of rows things get pretty grim day things you can do to [TS]

00:27:47   help with that but anyway if so was using satellite data bases anywhere [TS]

00:27:51   intimidation which I can imagine it is and if that has anything to do with [TS]

00:27:54   keywords which I can imagine it might that might explain some of the slowness [TS]

00:27:58   in large library I don't know I'm just guessing and so the computer is you know [TS]

00:28:03   you like I did write seagull seagull a great day to it but I am I using the [TS]

00:28:07   right tool for the job would be better to add them as extended attributes are [TS]

00:28:10   as individual plist files are you know I don't know it's more of a design thing [TS]

00:28:14   them to be with the computer at the micro level at the macro level empathy [TS]

00:28:19   not Marco level empathy what happens when you delete a photo John in in the [TS]

00:28:26   new photos that I don't know that's the thing last time I was talking about the [TS]

00:28:33   prospects of using iCloud sync as a backup strategy it's like whatever [TS]

00:28:36   feelings all sink to something ever goes wrong that wrong this could also sync [TS]

00:28:40   all over the place and then your backups arose because they're not really back-up [TS]

00:28:43   supply crate we're just did you [TS]

00:28:45   have a second copy of whatever is currently in the things so whatever is [TS]

00:28:48   currently in the library screwed up whatever is currently in all year [TS]

00:28:51   automatically synchronize copies can also be seen so many people point out [TS]

00:28:54   that if you delete a photo in the Photos app doesn't get deleted immediately goes [TS]

00:28:58   into kind of like a trash type holding area and I think every 30 days before [TS]

00:29:02   its per-share something which is good but mostly what I was afraid over the [TS]

00:29:06   app going crazy and some thinking these photos never existed [TS]

00:29:11   let me just get your not as if it thinks I deleted them by dragging into the [TS]

00:29:14   trash or delete button but if it starts thinking because of some weird singing [TS]

00:29:17   thing that photos of my life he just never existed in so I need to do to [TS]

00:29:22   rectify I just synchronize and rectify my state of the world with what the [TS]

00:29:26   state it's supposed to be in rather than it thinking that it sought to lead [TS]

00:29:30   operation in synchronizing that just thinking all these photos are unaware [TS]

00:29:33   that he's gained but I have no idea what they are like that's what I'm afraid of [TS]

00:29:36   not so much the manually deleting things are but it is good to know that the [TS]

00:29:40   holding area where you can recover from mistakes were you doing before you [TS]

00:29:44   delete them as you sure you want to delete this from the cloud and [TS]

00:29:46   everything on your device as it tries to tell you like this is not just the [TS]

00:29:49   leading locally this is the leading everywhere and even if you do that still [TS]

00:29:52   holds onto it and deleted items area to give you an out nice but I'm still a [TS]

00:29:57   little bit afraid of it and I would never use it as a backup CD in speaking [TS]

00:30:00   of backups god forbid something happened what do you do to restore your photo [TS]

00:30:05   library from a backup and I don't know if they hadn't tried them but I thought [TS]

00:30:08   about it like restoring like your iPhoto library back up just a bunch of files on [TS]

00:30:12   disks if you think it's hose just don't throw out your iPhoto library go to Time [TS]

00:30:18   Machine backup you super duper back-to-back plays back up or whatever [TS]

00:30:21   and just like find previous version for iPhoto library which appears to be one [TS]

00:30:25   file anticipated releases that pack a bundle with a folder with a bunch of [TS]

00:30:28   stuff you drag it back in your back in business right what happens if your [TS]

00:30:33   photos library do you have [TS]

00:30:34   iCloud sync like something is wrong with it or get so is there something I can [TS]

00:30:38   you just say ok one's got through that library out and Greg Newman from a [TS]

00:30:42   backup and put it in place and launch it what happens it will work fine locally [TS]

00:30:47   I'm sure that would work locally but what happens when you launch it and [TS]

00:30:49   iCloud [TS]

00:30:51   like is it aware that you just did that or is it like whoa this library and just [TS]

00:30:55   does not match what I expected to do does it forcibly make it like the old [TS]

00:31:00   broken one was in the woman missing data how do you recover from a back up in [TS]

00:31:05   that scenario and when I was thinking about this one more reminder Mike you [TS]

00:31:09   tell me when I thought oh and Time Machine like the integration between [TS]

00:31:13   those first shown in a one time she was first announced in a keynote and they [TS]

00:31:16   tried to show used time machine from within iPhoto and I just imagining that [TS]

00:31:20   I remember that the thing where you could use Time Machine specifically [TS]

00:31:24   within certain apps but I don't remember anything about I photos specifically in [TS]

00:31:28   whatever happened to that like using iPhoto specifically from within certain [TS]

00:31:31   that that's not a thing real hit you mean time machine within certain apps [TS]

00:31:35   yeah there's probably some kind of API to nobody ever uses I don't think is a [TS]

00:31:40   public API think they they showed it like you could do it within photos you [TS]

00:31:43   could do with an address book there was a couple of apps the show that you could [TS]

00:31:46   do it within the reason I'm thinking of that is like I'm trying to think what [TS]

00:31:50   would be a safe way to take photos library that you had iCloud sync that is [TS]

00:31:56   hosed in some way damaged its corrupt you asked me to his W me say actually I [TS]

00:32:01   want to go back to the states things were a week ago and you go pull your [TS]

00:32:04   photos library from your back up what you have is just a bunch of files and as [TS]

00:32:07   you put it back in the same place the other one was and you launch photos and [TS]

00:32:11   then what happens and I don't know what happens I mean I would imagine it just [TS]

00:32:15   like the import process when I import my 25,000 photos I I basically had an empty [TS]

00:32:20   iCloud library and I dragged them all into this app from my previous [TS]

00:32:24   arrangement of files and it slowly important I'm not lower them all that I [TS]

00:32:29   would imagine as long as the as long as your cloud photo library state can be [TS]

00:32:35   cleared which I don't know that is easy as going to the author's view it in [TS]

00:32:39   command a command early but did you do that before you told the backup I quoted [TS]

00:32:46   you can't even launch photos because the library so corrupt that I like how do [TS]

00:32:49   you how do you get it to understand that you wanted to launch and accept the on [TS]

00:32:55   disk [TS]

00:32:56   library that you pull them back up as the current state of things I honestly I [TS]

00:33:02   have no idea but I but the files are all their legal the library is laid out very [TS]

00:33:06   similarly to and iPhoto library yeah you could you do have the out of just [TS]

00:33:10   finding all the JPEG spoiling them all out making a new empty library like what [TS]

00:33:14   I think what you have to do I done this I don't address books that's why I [TS]

00:33:17   thought of it like a few times the address book as garden hose in some way [TS]

00:33:21   and I've been like look I have all these backed up with address book and let [TS]

00:33:24   people know that spanned not address book is called contacts now sorry in the [TS]

00:33:28   context application that provides they provide a way to make a complete backup [TS]

00:33:31   your tire context library and please everybody do this at least once a year [TS]

00:33:35   contact think it's not a reliable you'll be happy to have it so I got into a [TS]

00:33:39   state or contacts were hose was actually my contacts as my wife so is more dire [TS]

00:33:44   than here and I need to fix it and what I want to happen was I had a backup and [TS]

00:33:52   I wanted to say look like hot just forget everything just the start over [TS]

00:33:57   I'm going to i'm going to import from the library and I want you to believe [TS]

00:34:00   that you have 0 contacts everywhere and that was super super hard to do because [TS]

00:34:04   every time I thought I'd done it entailed import the library and [TS]

00:34:08   introduce crazy merge but that was still in the cloud shows everything again took [TS]

00:34:11   me so long to beat this thing is just a mission to say you have nothing start [TS]

00:34:14   from zero anyway that's what are frayed over the photos library like I don't [TS]

00:34:18   know what the I don't know what the restoration plan is even in this [TS]

00:34:22   scenario where he say look I'm going to strike over jpegs and then just have to [TS]

00:34:26   convince voters that it has nothing like just really busy can be full like the [TS]

00:34:30   context of bill yet no context 0 contact your contacts everywhere everything's [TS]

00:34:33   fine [TS]

00:34:34   ok import and introduce crazy thing and you know so real-time follow-up from [TS]

00:34:39   underscore ass underscore there is they don't think this is a basement anyway [TS]

00:34:44   this page on Apple's website how do I remove all I club photo library content [TS]

00:34:48   from my iCloud account and devices I noticed n go to System prefs iCloud [TS]

00:34:52   manage slept for the library then select Disable and delete once you turn off [TS]

00:34:56   your iCloud photo library left 30 days to download rally your library to at [TS]

00:35:00   least one device [TS]

00:35:01   and so that's how you do it that's good this button because that was the problem [TS]

00:35:06   with Apple things like there's no button there's no place to go it just works [TS]

00:35:11   it's magical but sometimes you just want like people always want I want a button [TS]

00:35:15   that says no plea synchronized now and this button is the island a button that [TS]

00:35:18   says just forget everything just start over 30 and by my past experience with [TS]

00:35:24   my back when I think services and everything that trying to get it to [TS]

00:35:28   start from zero was like basically not possible for for regular person [TS]

00:35:32   sometimes you need to like a special application that like Apple internal [TS]

00:35:36   people would use that would like to give it wasn't just on your machine you could [TS]

00:35:39   delete everything off your machine if you could find all the secret hidden [TS]

00:35:41   files and everything but there was stuff on service somewhere and you had to [TS]

00:35:44   convince those servers to dump all their information and yet the nose like you [TS]

00:35:48   know what what request to make the web service of authentication to convince it [TS]

00:35:51   to really really reset things so I'm glad that Apple is learning and making [TS]

00:35:55   this easier by putting in an actual going having a you know a Knowledge Base [TS]

00:35:59   article about it [TS]

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00:39:58   ATP data let's talk about Apple watch experiences starting with the group [TS]

00:40:04   whose I'm haha thats we were gonna start looking at those who has no idea what [TS]

00:40:09   we're talking about but i wanna do this because you know one of us has a novel [TS]

00:40:14   idea we want to hear about it but I put a sub item in it because someone tweeted [TS]

00:40:18   at me that after wearing a bra true three days they have a group starting to [TS]

00:40:23   show up on their wrists where the lil heartbeat monitor thing presses in I [TS]

00:40:27   think this person may have their walk around a little bit tight I would say so [TS]

00:40:33   I remember back when I wore watches that I would get a sometimes marks from the [TS]

00:40:37   band or whatever I don't think this is an apple orchard problem I think this is [TS]

00:40:40   a watch band possibly to type problem but it did remind me that Marco had said [TS]

00:40:45   that he wasn't sure he was all that excited about the little dome on the [TS]

00:40:49   bottom like feeling that rubbing into his rest so I guess we can start their [TS]

00:40:53   budgets marquerite he does have a watch on like me and I'm like ok you know mine [TS]

00:40:58   is i dont member when the shipping update happened but it is now due to [TS]

00:41:05   arrive anytime between the very very very end of May and the Thursday I'm in [TS]

00:41:10   San Francisco nice which is the most first a first world problems [TS]

00:41:14   well I have just taken off my watch which I already have because I'm luckier [TS]

00:41:17   than Casey and woke up earlier I just taking it off after 14 hours of learning [TS]

00:41:21   it so far today and there is absolutely no sign of any dimple on top of my [TS]

00:41:27   wrists were thing pushes in there is no markings from the band or anything [TS]

00:41:31   so yeah I think I think Dani Sol danny is probably just wearing a too-tight [TS]

00:41:39   lead maybe you have the wrong man for you most likely a test set too tightly [TS]

00:41:43   reshape problems [TS]

00:41:45   bone bump on his wrist there possibly another Italian like me with the weird [TS]

00:41:50   reshape earth and also appears that he's wearing on his right hand I don't know [TS]

00:41:54   that make a difference probably not as the Domus entered in the watch so [TS]

00:41:57   probably is not is not the issue [TS]

00:41:59   one thing I did fine with the with the tightness of the bands I ordered have [TS]

00:42:03   been initially in order to get on day one the only configuration again on day [TS]

00:42:07   one at the time I that the store should have for me was the Milanese loop I i [TS]

00:42:12   was interested in it but I wasn't planning on ordering on day one but it [TS]

00:42:16   got that and so I had that for a few days since then I actually met up with a [TS]

00:42:21   nice guy in Connecticut who wanted the Milanese loop and had the one I wanted [TS]

00:42:26   which was the black leather classical the one just looks like every other [TS]

00:42:29   letter watched up ever made I traded with him for that so I have now had a [TS]

00:42:34   couple days with each of those couple days known as couples across buckle I [TS]

00:42:39   like them both a lot [TS]

00:42:40   first of all they're both really nice spans the classic buckle is extremely [TS]

00:42:45   lightweight and and probably the softest in line at besides maybe that's more [TS]

00:42:48   bands it is just a very comfortable band known as is a lot better than I thought [TS]

00:42:53   it was thought would be when I ordered it would really is extremely nice it is [TS]

00:42:59   it is a really kind of split the difference between formal informally it [TS]

00:43:02   is not too for Miller to blame here too flashy it really is extremely nice I I [TS]

00:43:08   was very happy with the known as it did it does not picture arm hair but a lot [TS]

00:43:12   of people think it think that lets do the Milanese does not the only thing you [TS]

00:43:16   gotta be careful when you're putting it on is the part that overlaps back on [TS]

00:43:19   itself so it's like sandwiched together you can you can get arms are here speaks [TS]

00:43:23   in that when you put it on so just be careful that and you'll find the [TS]

00:43:27   Milanese also i think is the coolest on you because like the air can flow [TS]

00:43:32   through it and it's not letters to you are there or the floor with a stammer [TS]

00:43:37   sticking to you the way that does so I would say it's the coolest it the reason [TS]

00:43:41   I didn't want to keep it is because I was getting some some skinny [TS]

00:43:45   tuition late in the day after we're here for a long time and some people mention [TS]

00:43:49   this is an issue with metal for them alot and I don't think it's a nickel [TS]

00:43:52   allergy based on some quick research but just some skin irritation I was getting [TS]

00:43:57   it's a lot like crazy at the end of the day and that doesn't happen with leather [TS]

00:44:02   so I'm glad I switched but they're both very nice bands I I would have been very [TS]

00:44:06   happy with known as if not for that issue so overall I can recommend I will [TS]

00:44:10   say though I have had an issue with both of them in how tightly I wear it because [TS]

00:44:17   it if you wear it super tight I don't find that very comfortable if you if you [TS]

00:44:23   wear it a little bit loose on yourself not so it's like a rolling around but [TS]

00:44:27   but just so it's just so it's more comfortable it makes it harder to feel [TS]

00:44:30   the tactic taps and that i've i've had that issue a lot where I just miss that [TS]

00:44:35   happen like I just it it does that mean I just don't feel it and then later on [TS]

00:44:40   I'll identity my little daughter as I miss identification and and I i know [TS]

00:44:45   there's been an issue that has a report earlier today there's been an issue with [TS]

00:44:48   faulty tactic engines that might be the reason why they were short stock and [TS]

00:44:56   they watch launch I don't think minus faulty it seems to work just fine it [TS]

00:45:00   just isn't it isn't extremely strong it's like moderate strength and so to [TS]

00:45:05   fix that problem and I have it on the highest strength setting it's still not [TS]

00:45:09   that strong I have there's a setting that that's that basically plays like a [TS]

00:45:14   strong vibration before any tactical alert so it like vibrate and then tap [TS]

00:45:19   tap I've enabled that for most of them had and that has helped a lot that makes [TS]

00:45:23   me feel every time but now that I I will frequently miss them and i think is a [TS]

00:45:28   little bit looser than than that I'm supposed to be because I don't like the [TS]

00:45:32   feeling of it digging into my breasts so strongly but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:45:35   unreasonable lose again I guess not [TS]

00:45:37   it can't get misaligned you can't roll back on the side of my wrist like it's [TS]

00:45:40   not that loose so have you done your like your heart rate or whatever like to [TS]

00:45:46   do that's that's the reason I think people want to have it on tightly they [TS]

00:45:50   want to accurate readings from the [TS]

00:45:52   biometric monitors and if you're not looking at that and you don't really [TS]

00:45:55   care of those except for feeling of operations but have you ever looked at [TS]

00:45:58   your heart rate and see if it's like reasonable crazy I have not but it is [TS]

00:46:02   tracking my activity lot and it does register the exercise time so it has in [TS]

00:46:09   its built-in rings of activity it has the the calories which are related to [TS]

00:46:14   steps I think and standing and it has the middle ring which is the one I [TS]

00:46:18   always failed to get the middle ring is as time spent exercising and that is [TS]

00:46:23   like in time an elevated heartbeat and that seems to be measuring the actual [TS]

00:46:29   realized how much spending a few measuring that fairly accurately for me [TS]

00:46:33   throughout the day I don't actually use the workout app to measure like my heart [TS]

00:46:37   rate as a workout because I don't work out so I'm not a good person asked about [TS]

00:46:42   that but it seems like I'm not wearing it so loosely that would be a problem so [TS]

00:46:47   the lump thing isn't bothering you basically you are intentionally making [TS]

00:46:50   it a little bit looser so the so it doesn't bother you that I'm wearing it [TS]

00:46:55   at the looseness level I'm wearing it at not because the lumping because just the [TS]

00:46:59   entire strap like the lump thing is not a limiting factor in the comfort here [TS]

00:47:03   for me I thought I thought it would be just you don't you don't feel the strap [TS]

00:47:07   like squeezing your ass basically exactly that's all it is and I found [TS]

00:47:11   with the classic buckle there are two holes that work for me [TS]

00:47:15   oh god it's gonna be a terrible title one of them like this really snug one on [TS]

00:47:20   one of the guys just come now we heard doubt that we can talk about the watch [TS]

00:47:25   okay so anyway yes I found one that works for me is also really nice because [TS]

00:47:30   you could make smaller adjustments than any other band in the lineup so if you [TS]

00:47:36   want to be like a little bit tighter little bit looser you can you can align [TS]

00:47:40   it to any of those rows of the woman links you can just like slide it over by [TS]

00:47:44   one row so you can really but it's like a toaster dials you never know exactly [TS]

00:47:50   how was last time I don't know all the liberals look the same I assume before [TS]

00:47:55   having it at that would annoy the crap out of me and I did figure throughout [TS]

00:47:59   the day I die would frequently change it like little micro adjustment throughout [TS]

00:48:03   the day like to tweak it a little bit [TS]

00:48:05   I didn't feel like that was annoying to me as much as I would have thought I [TS]

00:48:10   don't love about the book I don't love how you know just like any other watch [TS]

00:48:14   you can set it down to put it on the like like hold your hand against able to [TS]

00:48:19   put it up against your leg or something like that but you can't quite do it [TS]

00:48:23   freehand very well in mid-air known as I have that problem I also don't like the [TS]

00:48:28   classic buckle that you know just like any other website a little little loop [TS]

00:48:32   that holds the tail at the excess still holds it on the band I keep like [TS]

00:48:38   slipping out of that keeps catching on things like that so I I might have given [TS]

00:48:43   level of another try at some point the future but so far I'm very happy with [TS]

00:48:47   this overall how many times I've taken off today the Milanese because I had at [TS]

00:48:52   first a little more paranoid I was I was taking off my right to wash the dishes [TS]

00:48:57   or anything like that [TS]

00:48:59   now now that you know i i notified the letter one for a couple days I'm a [TS]

00:49:03   little more confident in a little more familiar with it so now I'm just keepin [TS]

00:49:06   on all day I took it off just now just so I could take a look at my identity or [TS]

00:49:12   lack thereof of my wrist from the follow-up but obviously been holding out [TS]

00:49:17   so it's not a big deal so how is that affecting your life if at all so again I [TS]

00:49:25   I had not before this I did not wanna watch since high school I like like so [TS]

00:49:30   many people especially among among geeks like us like so many people I thought [TS]

00:49:35   would you watch for I have had my phone in my pocket that always tells the time [TS]

00:49:40   turns out having a watch to tell time is actually really nice guy I know the [TS]

00:49:47   washable are all like coming betrayed tell you that for years you know but [TS]

00:49:51   that was news to most of us geeks who who who who have been in oberly [TS]

00:49:57   pragmatically what we have this clock in our pockets all the time [TS]

00:50:00   get turns out the the move from pocket watches wristwatches a nine years ago [TS]

00:50:04   there was good reason behind that I don't think I've ever looked at my phone [TS]

00:50:10   to see what [TS]

00:50:10   time it is done during the day feels like the the geek I think the proof for [TS]

00:50:17   people to tell the time is slowly to the upper right of your field of vision in [TS]

00:50:24   the menu bar called a screen with the times in the menu bar I cannot think of [TS]

00:50:29   a time that I have looked at my phone when I you know during work or you know [TS]

00:50:33   during home like is this is the only place I'm sitting in my house there is a [TS]

00:50:37   clock in my sight lines intentionally so I know what time it is right and when [TS]

00:50:42   I'm sitting at my computer there's a clock in my sight lines all the time and [TS]

00:50:45   no those scenarios to ever reach for my iOS device which is also probably in [TS]

00:50:49   reach to check the time but many people on the go outside you don't have a [TS]

00:50:53   clocking a sideline they do use their phones and I think certainly call [TS]

00:50:57   tweeted earlier that someone had asked what time it was and she fished out of [TS]

00:51:00   the time while wearing the old habits die hard [TS]

00:51:04   well that's the thing is I was just about to say that even though I am more [TS]

00:51:08   often than not in front of either an iOS device or computer no matter what I'm [TS]

00:51:14   doing if I need to look at the time my first reaction is to look at my wrist [TS]

00:51:20   and of course their times I'll get my wireless device will get the upper [TS]

00:51:24   right-hand corner of the screen but generally speaking or maybe the cable [TS]

00:51:28   box like you were saying john but generally speaking the first place I [TS]

00:51:31   look to find the time as my wrist the cable box come on I forgot with whom I'm [TS]

00:51:37   speaking but BS so I stopped wearing a watch for a few years I've worn one [TS]

00:51:41   pretty much all my life and then after after I got an iPhone knows that you [TS]

00:51:46   know this is redundant in Philly and I don't need to worry about this and then [TS]

00:51:49   I think like the battery my watch died or something like that and so wasn't [TS]

00:51:52   worth fixing inside my phone and then about a year to die started wearing a [TS]

00:51:56   cheap watch again and and i'm glad because I like having the time of my [TS]

00:52:00   wrist and I'm excited [TS]

00:52:02   probably after 2 p.m. Dec to have more than just might be the tie my wrists so [TS]

00:52:07   we'll see what happens but but I am feeling quite smug Marcos decided that [TS]

00:52:12   this watch thing isn't so bad because I do believe I tried to tell you mark that [TS]

00:52:15   having something dangling on your wrist really is not the end of the world I [TS]

00:52:18   wonder how easy it is to rewire [TS]

00:52:20   these things like the people who have the ingrained habits of going for their [TS]

00:52:24   their their phone their pockets of time how long will take them to retrain like [TS]

00:52:28   to look at the rest I'm also thinking alike for the risky move for Apple watch [TS]

00:52:32   where is you have imagined a lot of them will become accustomed to a slightly [TS]

00:52:37   exaggerated motion to really ensure that the White House Speaker seen the worst [TS]

00:52:42   did you bring it up and it doesn't activate sort of like a day maybe [TS]

00:52:45   training themselves into that have been the reason I think about these habits [TS]

00:52:47   and how easy they are changes I know basically cents per half my life at this [TS]

00:52:52   point when and where my contact lenses I often take my finger and push my glasses [TS]

00:52:58   up the bridge of my nose when there are no glasses they're basically I'm putting [TS]

00:53:02   myself between my eyes with my finger and I had contact lenses since I guess [TS]

00:53:08   the middle school basically as young as I can possibly get them so I am NOT new [TS]

00:53:12   to the experience of not wearing glasses nevertheless every time I am wearing my [TS]

00:53:16   contact lenses I will at least ones pushing my glasses up the bridge of my [TS]

00:53:20   nose that are not there [TS]

00:53:22   yeah that's understandable in when I went from being a not watch we're back [TS]

00:53:27   to watch where it only took me a few days maybe a week to start looking at my [TS]

00:53:32   wrist again to find the time I mean I thought this would be a longer [TS]

00:53:35   adjustment for me so far and and so far it really hasn't been along doesn't like [TS]

00:53:39   I it was the a couple days that now looking for the time and and I'm [TS]

00:53:43   enjoying I mean an end to the risk detection thing really try to take when [TS]

00:53:46   you move your wrist up to turn the screen on I've had mixed success of that [TS]

00:53:50   that that still needs some work overall if it works for me about three-quarters [TS]

00:53:56   of the time but that's like 25 percent failure rate is not good so that they [TS]

00:54:02   could still use some improvement and you know it's it's certainly exacerbated the [TS]

00:54:08   screen has to turn off so quickly [TS]

00:54:10   oftentimes I will I'll try to do that the motion to show the time and it will [TS]

00:54:16   get misinterpreting it as first things I flipped a wrist and then things I didn't [TS]

00:54:21   and so it the screen on for a split second it turns back off again that [TS]

00:54:24   they'd like cancels it you're looking at it wrong Marco ya exam so i i dont that [TS]

00:54:30   party could use some work but [TS]

00:54:33   overall I really do like it a lot I I like the way it looks like the way the [TS]

00:54:38   watch face looks I've looked at other watches the ever since Apple may launch [TS]

00:54:43   Apple announced they were going to watch I've been looking around at what other [TS]

00:54:48   people think are really good watches and and every time I passed like a watch [TS]

00:54:52   store in the mall I look in the window and look at the watches their look at [TS]

00:54:57   the airport stores that are all crazy everything and when I look at other [TS]

00:55:02   watches I'd I have never really seen anything that I thought was really good [TS]

00:55:07   looking and I i no there there are some out there I'm sure was gonna send me [TS]

00:55:11   their the picture of the water they think is good looking and say oh you [TS]

00:55:14   didn't see this one and right but I never looked at any the watch and said I [TS]

00:55:20   really want that and this one i I look at this on my wrist the way of setup I [TS]

00:55:25   use the utility faced with with a fairly minimal set of complications on it and [TS]

00:55:33   the way the way this looks to me is really nice I really enjoy just the way [TS]

00:55:37   to watch face looks just as a timepiece I enjoy it and the other the other [TS]

00:55:41   functions it does are really great too but even just that part I am extremely [TS]

00:55:46   satisfied with because I i i i just like it for some reason I was like it I will [TS]

00:55:51   often look at I'm just just to enjoy how the watch face looks I will say they're [TS]

00:55:57   the complications of the little features you can add a show like temperature or [TS]

00:56:01   your calendar events or whatever and various areas of the faces I share a [TS]

00:56:06   similar opinion as I believe Justin snow heard about this and casey you did as [TS]

00:56:10   well [TS]

00:56:11   the complications are mixed bag I think many of them are very useful [TS]

00:56:16   most of them I would have some designed week to in general I am I'm like 90% [TS]

00:56:23   satisfied with the watch face availability that I have but that last [TS]

00:56:27   10% kind of a killer if I if I prefer a digital watch face I think I'd be a [TS]

00:56:33   little bit less satisfied because additional options are not that great [TS]

00:56:35   one of my favorite concepts of the watch face is the solar image shows the big [TS]

00:56:40   like arc of the Sun throughout the day that I like knowing somebody have less I [TS]

00:56:44   know when I like when I can walk my dog [TS]

00:56:46   and be in the daylight basically and that watch faces frustrating because [TS]

00:56:50   there's no complications so if you want to also show the temperature on screen [TS]

00:56:54   or also show anything else on screen with that face you can't do it there's [TS]

00:56:58   no there's no customization that face furthermore if you're on that face and I [TS]

00:57:02   think one or two others I think the immune system anyway if you're on that [TS]

00:57:06   face if you hit if you scroll the wheel slightly on the digital crown while [TS]

00:57:12   you're trying to hit it to go to the home screen any slight school is [TS]

00:57:16   interpreted as you're moving the Sun around and watch face and it canceled [TS]

00:57:20   the button push and so you're like stuck in the watch face and that I found that [TS]

00:57:25   very error prone as used in that phase where I i kept accidentally scrolling [TS]

00:57:29   slightly when I touched the wheel and not being able to go to the home screen [TS]

00:57:33   I wanted so that was frustrating but for the most part once I found what I wanted [TS]

00:57:38   which was the utility face I'm I'm very happy with with with it as a watch it is [TS]

00:57:43   really quite nice again you know like you like UKC in and like Jason I [TS]

00:57:48   wouldn't I would make some small changes to the complications like that they're [TS]

00:57:52   like the empty state for things like the timer or when there's an event where the [TS]

00:57:57   counter thing but there's when you have nothing for the day it says no events in [TS]

00:58:01   these big letters like him just be blank [TS]

00:58:04   you know stuff like that like that the blank states of these things could use [TS]

00:58:06   some help I have mine set with a with a timer at the bottom there people start [TS]

00:58:12   time are fully guaranteed cooking something and the timer when you when [TS]

00:58:16   nothing is set it had little timer icon next to has the word set which is done [TS]

00:58:21   just have the timer icon why do the words set I know that when it's empty [TS]

00:58:25   you tap it a breeze the time that's great why you that so I do like having [TS]

00:58:30   these things on the watch face I do recommend if you're if you're going to [TS]

00:58:35   watch for setting up I do recommend keeping it simple and that could be [TS]

00:58:39   personal preference but I i find that i'm happier the less stuff is on my [TS]

00:58:45   watch face and the fewer classes I'm using [TS]

00:58:48   and the advantage of this information density reason there's stress reasons [TS]

00:58:52   but just like this also battery reasons to have a list of updating all the time [TS]

00:58:55   and it's also easier to navigate when you only have a few things that you [TS]

00:58:59   really care about its easier to see it easier to school with fewer things so I [TS]

00:59:03   recommend keeping your watch set up very simple but young people will figure out [TS]

00:59:07   for themselves I think about repair ability because i fix it has had a tear [TS]

00:59:13   down and it was I felt like it was fairly surprising even knowing full well [TS]

00:59:19   that this thing was not large and is going to be jam-packed I was stunned by [TS]

00:59:25   how much stuff is crammed into that little tiny case especially since my [TS]

00:59:30   recollection of trying on the watch is this that they were not terribly heavy I [TS]

00:59:35   mean the link bracelet wait quite a bit but the watch it's the one watches [TS]

00:59:39   themselves were not terribly heavy and Josh there's a lot of stuff in there so [TS]

00:59:45   they do we think that the s1 is going to be upgradeable in the future [TS]

00:59:50   this tear down think your member of the deficit tear down is everything is [TS]

00:59:54   doomed way in so no matter how large the devices they fill the frame with the [TS]

00:59:59   thing so it seems like you know because I i've only about it in person actually [TS]

01:00:06   on somebody instead of in a store still haven't gone to trial but anyway there's [TS]

01:00:10   too much smaller than I thought they would be like all the apples pictures [TS]

01:00:13   they look huge many people have bought the 42 and thought they have mistakenly [TS]

01:00:17   got the the smaller size 38 or whatever it is because they're smaller than you [TS]

01:00:23   think and so it is I think the pictures like wow that stuff in there [TS]

01:00:27   the key thing is not look at all that stuff the key thing is look how small [TS]

01:00:29   that stuff is because of the zoomed out her reasonable length you'd realize that [TS]

01:00:33   a microscopic those things are consumed way into making tire watch build the [TS]

01:00:37   frame so that's the thing that strikes me that it seems like a lot of stuff is [TS]

01:00:41   like oh this is you know it's like a little TV dinner you have component [TS]

01:00:45   component being points even those components like the size of like [TS]

01:00:48   pinheads you know microscopic so it's an amazing feat of miniaturisation but yeah [TS]

01:00:54   looking at the end of the show is looking at the S one module the little [TS]

01:00:58   sort of the S one of the key component could be replaceable here's what I think [TS]

01:01:03   sad to say [TS]

01:01:03   when they got the s1 model out of the wash putting this mess out as a [TS]

01:01:07   destructive procedure but after ripping out some solder connectors we got our [TS]

01:01:10   first real look at the s1 despite rumors in hopes of an upgradeable prague the [TS]

01:01:14   difficulty of removing the s1 alone cast serious doubt on the idea of simply [TS]

01:01:17   swapping out the internals I think that is usually pretty good about doing [TS]

01:01:22   surgery on Apple devices and getting them apart getting the pieces out and [TS]

01:01:25   they're saying basically to get the s1 out you have to just a rip off a bunch [TS]

01:01:30   of things like it is destructive process but suppose you could just about all the [TS]

01:01:33   guts like just you know shuttle I can always turn everything out of it and [TS]

01:01:38   just put entirely new cuts inside it but even that look like the type of thing [TS]

01:01:42   that you would want to be done with precision tools in a factory by people [TS]

01:01:46   who'd you know people are machines that do the same operations you know hundreds [TS]

01:01:50   of times a day rather than just having someone in the back room scrape the [TS]

01:01:53   stuff out to even look like to reseed all these things and Riku and see all [TS]

01:01:58   these things and reconnect all these connectors [TS]

01:02:01   into not even available wanted to have internal swaps it does not look like if [TS]

01:02:08   they offer that service I would be like thanks but no thanks I really don't want [TS]

01:02:11   to go to this thing called out and tried to be replaced just never be the same [TS]

01:02:15   again [TS]

01:02:16   yeah I mean it it's like he got like a laptop repair that's not quite prepared [TS]

01:02:19   right and likes unlike some steam doesn't quite live up at the China se [TS]

01:02:24   Marco yeah good luck with that but that was a bit of pre unibody days that was a [TS]

01:02:29   real problem is I opened up three per unibody laptops and they never go back [TS]

01:02:33   together [TS]

01:02:34   the right way like the unibody 10 March 13 that we got the disk looks like one [TS]

01:02:38   of those things where it's like it's a one-way operations symbol CEO it's your [TS]

01:02:43   thing maybe they could do the battery cuz that's kind of on the outside but I [TS]

01:02:47   even get worried about like because the sierra take the screen part off like [TS]

01:02:50   it's not visible screws that hold the screen on its I guess just glued and [TS]

01:02:54   they just kind of like heat up the glue and private thing off in like really I [TS]

01:02:59   mean it's the same way through the windshield stuck under car just you know [TS]

01:03:02   much much much smaller I suppose so i guess its own I just feel nervous about [TS]

01:03:08   things that are connected with adhesive I trust the factory sort of the factory [TS]

01:03:13   CEO of putting you know even for windshield like it when she was putting [TS]

01:03:18   my car and a factor under control conditions under open the ideal [TS]

01:03:21   conditions and yes if you get a crack in your when should you hire someone to [TS]

01:03:25   come and take it off and put on a new one and I'll do it you know while you're [TS]

01:03:29   at work inside the parking garage that's not ideal conditions are heating up the [TS]

01:03:33   heat up to the right temperature is everything just it bothers me as an anal [TS]

01:03:37   retentive person but anyway looking into this thing I'm thinking this was not [TS]

01:03:42   designed to have the internal swapped and even if it could be done I would not [TS]

01:03:46   wanted under my watch [TS]

01:03:47   yeah I mean if you look at like basically all of the components are on [TS]

01:03:51   top of the s1 yes what is at the bottom and take it out you have to basically [TS]

01:03:58   take everything out of the watch later Porsche Boxster [TS]

01:04:02   ok change the engine out of the car that isn't true is that no it is not but I'm [TS]

01:04:08   going with a partial people to come and yell at me but now it for a min engine [TS]

01:04:12   cars it is just much harder to get the parts you need to get out so the labor [TS]

01:04:16   costs for doing stuff like that so yeah I i would not based on based on how the [TS]

01:04:22   watch is laid out internally and all these different parts you have to [TS]

01:04:24   disconnect and move and go around in order to pull the s1 out I i'm with [TS]

01:04:30   China thing i think is this is clearly designed to be a one-man operation I [TS]

01:04:34   don't think anything is going to be offered for upgrading these to the next [TS]

01:04:39   city St or whatever I don't even for the additions I don't see it happen [TS]

01:04:43   and I think Apple solution is going to be just like their solution for [TS]

01:04:47   everything else they make which is this is today's model and then eventually [TS]

01:04:50   we're gonna have a new model and if you want you can recycle your old one [TS]

01:04:54   yeah we were talking about the chances of Apple offering a great ability [TS]

01:04:58   specifically with respect to the addition because it's so darn expensive [TS]

01:05:01   and who's going to spend all that money only to spend all that money again in [TS]

01:05:03   three years right so that would be the highest chance of having a parade [TS]

01:05:06   ability we talked about the reasons they wouldn't because it's just not the Apple [TS]

01:05:10   way and if you can afford one [TS]

01:05:12   tend to $20,000 wat you can certainly afford to me like all these reasons one [TS]

01:05:18   of the reasons we didn't discuss was that these things gonna be so darn small [TS]

01:05:21   apples gonna wanna wage everything in that it possibly can and it came down to [TS]

01:05:27   a decision between we could make it a little bit smaller but it would make it [TS]

01:05:31   much much harder or impossible to do a component swap Apple it always say make [TS]

01:05:37   it a little bit smaller like they're never optimizing for like just look at [TS]

01:05:40   go through the iFixit guide for the past five or 10 years or however long I think [TS]

01:05:44   that's been around probably not ten years [TS]

01:05:46   look at how much sort of empty space and extra stuff they used to be inside Apple [TS]

01:05:51   laptops for instance and compare it to the MacBook one tear down where I don't [TS]

01:05:55   have one of those things to do but they did that they like nothing in there [TS]

01:05:58   there is no like the number of pieces like they just want to get everything [TS]

01:06:02   else that any kind of sort of framing mechanism more like caged your guard or [TS]

01:06:07   severance they just want to get everything out of there just squished [TS]

01:06:10   down till all there is like a lumen and battery motherboard like every anything [TS]

01:06:14   that is not essential has been removed including key travel report so that you [TS]

01:06:19   don't like it when it comes down to it can we went more stuff in yes by [TS]

01:06:23   sacrificing the ease of repair totally do it and so that is that's kind of what [TS]

01:06:29   we're talking about Apple's not going to do this but this is another aspect of [TS]

01:06:31   why this is not the Apple way I guess they still could on the addition say [TS]

01:06:35   give us your additional to the yank out all the insides and put it all new guys [TS]

01:06:38   they could do that like the same way that you know casey's MacBook Air could [TS]

01:06:42   be sent away to what they called the depot repair center [TS]

01:06:44   the magical fairyland where the Grinch takes a Christmas tree perot-like you [TS]

01:06:48   can send your computer there too and then like something happen [TS]

01:06:53   feels better to like are we gonna send out for repairing you eat you can [TS]

01:06:56   imagine that repair facility is much nicer and cleaner and staffed by [TS]

01:07:00   precision nano machines and robots and like but it's not it's just different [TS]

01:07:04   people in a different room anyway for years I I still say Apple could within [TS]

01:07:12   the realm of reason say by all means bring us back your $70,000 watch will [TS]

01:07:17   take the inside out and put in the insides of the Apple iPad 2 which [TS]

01:07:20   happens to have the same external case they could probably work well but even [TS]

01:07:24   Apple went like when they do these deeper repairs and everything a lot of [TS]

01:07:27   times like the stuff that i fix it will do I try to remove a battery that the [TS]

01:07:31   glued to the case for instance Apple doesn't do that they replace the whole [TS]

01:07:35   but the whole [TS]

01:07:36   hokay section like that like they don't Apple does not take extreme measures and [TS]

01:07:42   their repair departments to disassemble things like that they're just like you [TS]

01:07:47   know super glued in there in like you're never gonna get it out like they don't [TS]

01:07:49   do that either they're just replacing more of it and charging you for it [TS]

01:07:52   especially batteries because if you bend it or poking her like you know punctured [TS]

01:07:56   her like the batteries become big flaming things very quickly so very very [TS]

01:08:00   carefully but for other things like they do have like I seem to recall someone [TS]

01:08:06   telling me they were taking the IMAX screens off and not getting dust behind [TS]

01:08:10   them they have like rigs to take the screen off easily and repeatedly and [TS]

01:08:15   like blow out all the dust and all those other things to try you know things that [TS]

01:08:19   may be beyond what a regular person can do the repair depot the back of the [TS]

01:08:25   Apple store may be better equipped to do because they have special purpose tools [TS]

01:08:27   just for this thing but but yet reached the limit where they say well it [TS]

01:08:30   actually since we're the repair depot we don't need to carefully remove items [TS]

01:08:34   from I don't be we just take the entire like top case thing we get you a new top [TS]

01:08:38   case or bottom case or whatever that that's that is much more straightforward [TS]

01:08:42   that's why I think for the edition watches as they were gonna do it they [TS]

01:08:45   would take everything out of this and accept the gold indicates and take [TS]

01:08:48   entirely new insides with entirely new screen entirely new South Park whistle [TS]

01:08:52   everything is a go slap it in there and just like one sealed age I think that is [TS]

01:08:56   still possible given the iFixit teardown but not likely for all the other reasons [TS]

01:09:01   we talked about [TS]

01:09:01   in the past about going to buy a new one so you will I think at best we would see [TS]

01:09:07   something that is basically a recycling program maybe with a better name maybe [TS]

01:09:12   with better rates for that for me just the editions so maybe they have to have [TS]

01:09:16   traded thing but I don't think they're going to get back the same watchu [TS]

01:09:19   treated with you stuff inside I think you might get back a brand new watch and [TS]

01:09:24   you might get some token rebate for the open the etrade it and and even that if [TS]

01:09:29   they if they never do that I wouldn't be surprised and it wouldn't be a big deal [TS]

01:09:32   but if I can do anything like that he didn't customer that that's the former [TS]

01:09:35   would take it wouldn't it wouldn't be you get back the same case with new [TS]

01:09:39   stuff inside we are finals bunch of this week is Harry's that Harry's dot com and [TS]

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01:10:45   impressed at what they managed for the price I I would say I don't they had yet [TS]

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01:10:57   with the exception of that I would say their blades are pretty much identical [TS]

01:11:00   to the quality of fusion blades and I am very sensitive skin so I I would [TS]

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01:12:53   Microsoft had their first day of I think it was the first day of their build [TS]

01:12:58   conference which is kind of Microsoft WPC when suddenly takes place in moscow [TS]

01:13:03   any West there were a couple of big announcements I was interested in the [TS]

01:13:09   first one was Visual Studio code now despite the fact that this has Visual [TS]

01:13:15   Studio in the name in a lot of ways it is not the traditional visual studio but [TS]

01:13:20   what's interesting about it is one way or another regardless of the name [TS]

01:13:23   it is cross-platform it will run on August and it will run on Linux and it [TS]

01:13:27   will run on Windows key and Visual Studio code at a glance looks like Adam [TS]

01:13:34   the editor that we talked about quite a long time ago that was written by get [TS]

01:13:38   hub it it looks like it looks like Adam but with a little bit of Microsoft [TS]

01:13:45   player on it and that's not necessarily a bad thing in fact one of the really [TS]

01:13:50   appealing things to it is that has really get intellisense and in case you [TS]

01:13:53   don't know what intelligence is it's the code completion and the little tool tip [TS]

01:13:59   that pops up that helps you complete code and as someone who's worked on [TS]

01:14:03   Xcode a fair bit and makes his living working in Visual Studio I can tell you [TS]

01:14:09   that [TS]

01:14:10   intellisense is light years better than anything Xcode has to offer and I've [TS]

01:14:15   news two clips for years and years and years thank goodness but I don't [TS]

01:14:19   remember eclipse being any better anyway so it looks just like Adam well come to [TS]

01:14:24   find out it actually is Adam in some way shape or form and I really dug into the [TS]

01:14:30   mechanism by which all this is held together by there is at least a part of [TS]

01:14:36   Adam included in the package that is Visual Studio code I did try Visual [TS]

01:14:41   Studio coed I tried it shortly after was it came out and one of the things that [TS]

01:14:47   promised is really really good note support which as you guys while now I've [TS]

01:14:51   been really interested in lately and that's what my blog is running on this [TS]

01:14:54   note and I went to download I downloaded it no problem I ran it no problem I [TS]

01:15:02   opened up my project my camel project and one of the first things I did was [TS]

01:15:10   try to run and I tried to run it and I got a message saying well you can't [TS]

01:15:18   because you don't have mono installed [TS]

01:15:21   K one case you're not familiar mono is the cross-platform csharp compiler that [TS]

01:15:27   will compile to host annual compiled and Extension Center and all the libraries [TS]

01:15:32   associated with with it so its cross-platform dotnet to just tired for [TS]

01:15:36   a month and it also makes it hard for months and you get it by kissing people [TS]

01:15:39   so so it says only don't have mono installed ok fine so I brew install mono [TS]

01:15:46   and I get I forget what version it is that I got but I tried to run again [TS]

01:15:52   debug again and it's a no really you don't have money so I was tweeting in [TS]

01:15:59   general and also tweeting at code which is the Twitter handle that Microsoft [TS]

01:16:03   somehow god I know how they landed that but I tweeted it code and said you know [TS]

01:16:08   was saying oh this is weird is not working right now working right well [TS]

01:16:11   within an hour or two [TS]

01:16:13   the guy that was in the introductory video I think it's Chris Davis I [TS]

01:16:18   probably pronounced it wrong and I'm sorry but the guy who was in the intro [TS]

01:16:21   video is trading at me saying hey hey have you tried this have you tried that [TS]

01:16:24   but like can you imagine walking out of an apple WPGC presentation help the [TS]

01:16:32   keynote in trying something and then that re keys tweeted yet you saying oh [TS]

01:16:38   did you try this thing or the other thing what that's amazing that means [TS]

01:16:43   that means Microsoft is hungry it does no you're absolutely right [TS]

01:16:46   Microsoft is showing hostile take less than Apple its so true so anyway so come [TS]

01:16:51   to find out that Chris had a couple of really good pointers and it turns out [TS]

01:16:56   that I had two copies of mono on my computer I not sure when or how I [TS]

01:17:01   installed the first one but I had and so I uninstalled the brew version of the [TS]

01:17:10   homebrew version and install the other one [TS]

01:17:12   reinstall the homebrew version and sure enough to begin work immediately I had [TS]

01:17:16   put a post on my website a while back about new deep ugh which is a kind of [TS]

01:17:22   sort of hockey but still really nice to bugger that works with the chrome [TS]

01:17:26   web inspection tools I tried that in the past I really liked it [TS]

01:17:30   this is so much better though because this is even though it is in no way [TS]

01:17:34   actually Visual Studio except in name it felt kinda similar to Visual Studio like [TS]

01:17:42   I hit f5 which by the way I have been apt to the keyboard brightness I don't [TS]

01:17:47   have it mapped to be ex excuse me up five and sure enough it figured it out [TS]

01:17:51   and said okay I'm gonna go to bug and it worked really well and I've only played [TS]

01:17:56   with it for a few minutes but I i didnt really really impress it has did [TS]

01:18:00   integration right there it has marked down preview and somebody tweeted at the [TS]

01:18:05   group earlier today I want to see is reached evil but somebody tweeted it [TS]

01:18:08   River saying hey did you ever think ten years ago that Microsoft would ship free [TS]

01:18:12   editor a free kinda sorta IDE for the Mac that does mark down preview and [TS]

01:18:17   Cooper was like of course under way and it's true I mean it's it's it's really [TS]

01:18:21   impressive it's a really impressive appt a little bit of getting it going but in [TS]

01:18:27   the grand scheme of things I really like it I know everyone loves their own text [TS]

01:18:31   editor I'm not saying it's better than any other this is not a vinyl is better [TS]

01:18:34   kind of situation I'm just saying it's worth checking out in Marco I tweeted at [TS]

01:18:40   you earlier tonight I thought I know if you thought that they even have PHP like [TS]

01:18:44   syntax highlighting and all that [TS]

01:18:45   which may or may not be very exciting but I do I was impressed that it was [TS]

01:18:49   that supportive of all flavors of programming language is rather than [TS]

01:18:55   strictly speaking the Microsoft stuff yeah I mean this is this is clearly like [TS]

01:19:00   you know part of the new Microsoft realizing like you know the fight that [TS]

01:19:04   they they can and should be fighting the fight that they have already lost and [TS]

01:19:08   and where they can see where they can still have great value where they can [TS]

01:19:12   hustle and and this seems like a pretty good movie overall I mean that my main [TS]

01:19:17   question here is will this will the state thing you will be followed through [TS]

01:19:23   on and will it stay at think that's where Microsoft has recently not done [TS]

01:19:27   that well and and not even that recently in the last 10 years has had a hard time [TS]

01:19:32   like following through on stuff and they thought that fall through the things [TS]

01:19:36   they did succeeded in gaining traction [TS]

01:19:39   I mean that's been the problem I think it's like if one of those things caught [TS]

01:19:42   fire you sure bet they thought they would love to fall through but they're [TS]

01:19:45   being kind of ruthless in like if it doesn't catch on [TS]

01:19:49   ok let's try something else like all these things are not moves that are done [TS]

01:19:54   from someone in a position of strength it's kind of like Apple they're not as [TS]

01:19:57   bad apple was in the nineties obviously but when you are in a corner and when [TS]

01:20:02   you're behind you can't afford to do the old Microsoft Way of like you know not [TS]

01:20:07   invented here syndrome or gonna do everything ourselves so why are they [TS]

01:20:10   using electron which is the framework that helps run out of their Adam [TS]

01:20:15   products a built-in electronics all anyway why we're using this web based [TS]

01:20:20   framework that uses Google's web browser engine under the covers to make quote [TS]

01:20:26   unquote native applications using a web rendering engine technology like why do [TS]

01:20:30   we write our own letter we have done we have our own editor we wrote Visual [TS]

01:20:33   Studio like you can't get enough time you need if you want to do this thing we [TS]

01:20:37   have an idea we have the strategy we talked about it a bit it's gonna let us [TS]

01:20:39   do is cross platform stuff you want to have an editor I want people that people [TS]

01:20:43   develop on the Mac can we make a new Mac editor from scratch [TS]

01:20:46   no we don't have time we'd like how fast can we get to market and the old [TS]

01:20:50   Microsoft was too proud or you know too stubborn to to do what they're doing now [TS]

01:20:57   which is like well we can get the market pretty quickly if you use Open Source [TS]

01:20:59   engine that get how to use to make it that they give us a huge head start and [TS]

01:21:04   maybe it's not as nice as the real Visual Studio editor but we're not gonna [TS]

01:21:08   put that to the Mac and even if we did it would be kind of credit so let's do [TS]

01:21:12   what it takes to get off the ground and just like Apple was like can we make [TS]

01:21:16   operating system we tried three times in the dinner were committed by somebody [TS]

01:21:20   and that's what they did we can we use the Windows indeed colonel can we buy [TS]

01:21:23   bequeathed by next they made the right move there but this is not something [TS]

01:21:28   that that you do when you're in the driver's seat if anything this is [TS]

01:21:32   something you do when you're behind and its smart and expedient but it's also [TS]

01:21:37   I'm not gonna say it smells of panic but it's it's kind of sad to see like one of [TS]

01:21:44   those made some great was like they thought we can do everything ourselves [TS]

01:21:47   and they they really could do everything themselves usually a reasonably good job [TS]

01:21:52   of it [TS]

01:21:52   the new Microsoft doesn't have time to do everything itself which is probably a [TS]

01:21:57   good thing but you know they didn't make him get home made Adam didn't make [TS]

01:22:03   electron get how did they didn't make the chrome engine you know Google did [TS]

01:22:07   and Apple made WebKit and like the value they're adding their market trying to [TS]

01:22:12   add value where they can but they are standing on the shoulders of all the [TS]

01:22:16   other companies that used to that they used to be the Giants and now they're [TS]

01:22:19   standing on the shoulders all these other companies someone should mean [TS]

01:22:21   exist when Microsoft ruled the roost [TS]

01:22:24   it's very true this visual studio code thing I really dig it in the very very [TS]

01:22:30   brief amount of time spent with it and it is far and away the best no debugger [TS]

01:22:34   I've tried but I'm a very immature note programmers so there may be some other [TS]

01:22:39   packager product out there and just not aware of but their common that name [TS]

01:22:44   no debugger don't even know where to go from here so that was Visual Studio code [TS]

01:22:53   you should definitely try doubts free download it's it's worth at least [TS]

01:22:55   checking out the other really interesting thing that they talked about [TS]

01:23:00   which unfortunately we haven't heard a lot of technical details about yet is [TS]

01:23:05   two different projects one of them is called island would and the other [TS]

01:23:09   Astoria cover those in reverse project story is a to allow Android apps Iran on [TS]

01:23:17   I believe it was Windows Phone only and this is vaguely similar to what [TS]

01:23:22   blackberry did way back when [TS]

01:23:23   and basically any apk so any Android app that's been built that doesn't use any [TS]

01:23:33   other proprietary Google stuff so my my understanding of Android is that there's [TS]

01:23:38   the Android Open Source project [TS]

01:23:40   and then as a Supercenter subset of that out as an addition to that is the Google [TS]

01:23:49   mobile services which has things like Google Maps and things of that nature if [TS]

01:23:53   yer apt strictly stays within the API's that are part of the open-source Android [TS]

01:23:58   then you can take your APK drop it in Windows and it will run supposedly no [TS]

01:24:05   problem [TS]

01:24:06   the thing that I haven't been made clear though is is this how is this working [TS]

01:24:11   from a technical perspective in in I don't know if this is like a wine kind [TS]

01:24:15   of situation was a back room for wine leak something is not windows or [TS]

01:24:20   something like that but anyway the wine is the app that allows you to run win32 [TS]

01:24:27   on Linux and wine is not an emulator that's going to be my guess that's what [TS]

01:24:35   I was thinking I thank you that that's what I was thinking anyway so I don't [TS]

01:24:40   know this is like a wine sort of thing or not I'm not sure what the mechanism [TS]

01:24:42   is for this working under the hood but supposedly you'll be able to run certain [TS]

01:24:47   apks in Windows without any modification whatsoever so any thoughts on that [TS]

01:24:54   before I move on the island what am I get this is one of those noted on those [TS]

01:24:57   days where an announcement is made on the day that we record the notice that I [TS]

01:25:01   really had time to read about this stuff or watch the thing but my understanding [TS]

01:25:04   from watching tweets from people I think you know what they're talking about is [TS]

01:25:07   that the the iOS compatibility is you take your source code and you can pilot [TS]

01:25:13   we're not there yet we're only talking about injury might help of I'm comparing [TS]

01:25:18   and contrasting you take your choice going to compile it and the Android one [TS]

01:25:22   is you take your Android app and you run it and that's different like even if you [TS]

01:25:27   have the source here and I don't think that's how it works I don't think they [TS]

01:25:30   say I'll pick your Android app and compile it like so that the mix that [TS]

01:25:33   that's a big difference in how they're gonna implement things if you're not [TS]

01:25:36   recompiling it that means binary compatibility but of course the Android [TS]

01:25:40   apps are written [TS]

01:25:41   the dow victory against the Del McCoury band which is there don't call a job a [TS]

01:25:45   job of the M so the bytecode involved so why would they need to recompile it if [TS]

01:25:50   it got by code they can run it [TS]

01:25:52   JDM spec can probably expect car or something that they can reverse engineer [TS]

01:25:56   or read documentation for so it's much more straightforward and it's not like [TS]

01:26:00   wine because it's not native code to begin with it's you know it's the job of [TS]

01:26:05   bytecode stuff interesting points you chose so that's i think thats how [TS]

01:26:09   they're getting away with you don't have to recompile it's not source [TS]

01:26:12   compatibility and it's not like a wine where they like stepping out a bunch of [TS]

01:26:16   things it's like they're they're just implementing the Java Virtual Machine [TS]

01:26:20   and the API is that it links against I guess but you don't have to just take [TS]

01:26:24   your binary and running this is again from from not having watched a [TS]

01:26:27   presentation just seeing people's tweets this is my understanding and yes I let [TS]

01:26:30   the cat out of the bag with the IRS thing which everybody knows by now [TS]

01:26:32   they're doing that entirely differently that you have to have your source code [TS]

01:26:36   and then you can pilot against a bunch of their libraries which are not apples [TS]

01:26:40   libraries but hopefully have all the same API compatible and good luck with [TS]

01:26:44   that right so that's the island would think in in just like jon said you can [TS]

01:26:49   take an Xcode project and suck it into Visual Studio and and then recompile it [TS]

01:26:54   against a quote a middleware layer quotes and apparently the magic happens [TS]

01:27:00   and then you've got a window into not only is a Windows app it's a universal [TS]

01:27:06   Windows apps presumably it can run on the desktop can run on a tablet it can [TS]

01:27:12   run on the phone you can just about anywhere thats Windows what I really [TS]

01:27:17   interested to see is what exactly is doing all of this and it's worth [TS]

01:27:22   pointing out the subjective see only as well what is this middleware layer how [TS]

01:27:26   is held together what is really going on here but I did read in our study will [TS]

01:27:31   link this in the show notes I think I read it on are stacking up somewhere I [TS]

01:27:35   have read that not only does this island would support just general kinda sorta [TS]

01:27:42   cross compilation but it even supports UIKit and even more importantly than [TS]

01:27:47   that [TS]

01:27:48   at or animation and if you've never written IRS Code before court animation [TS]

01:27:53   is phenomenal and it's an amazingly easy way to say yeah make that things just [TS]

01:27:58   kind of dance over that side of the screen and it takes very little code to [TS]

01:28:03   make really really flew it really impressive animations happen and that's [TS]

01:28:06   in part why so many iOS apps look so darn good is because for developers even [TS]

01:28:10   even one who has no visual chops like myself you can make really decent [TS]

01:28:15   animations really really easily and the fact that coordination got ported or [TS]

01:28:19   whatever is pretty impressive to me so I've been told on Twitter that the [TS]

01:28:24   session where they talk about them [TS]

01:28:26   the mechanisms behind all of this will be happening tomorrow afternoon just [TS]

01:28:30   Thursday afternoon as we record this I don't have the time to watch it anytime [TS]

01:28:34   soon because life has been a little busy lately pied I hope at some point that [TS]

01:28:38   I'll be able to check it out and report back on how this is all held together [TS]

01:28:41   because this certainly sounds extremely impressive although we'll see if it's [TS]

01:28:47   actually really particularly functional in over the next few weeks I suppose [TS]

01:28:52   that being said candy crush saga the bastion of excellent programming has [TS]

01:28:57   already been running on this project I would it sounds like the kind of bold [TS]

01:29:01   new step the other member good news that I've certainly heard the name but still [TS]

01:29:05   be out there like so if you have Apple doesn't give you the source code [TS]

01:29:09   teicholz cocoa and all of you I K like some of that the Darwin source code [TS]

01:29:12   includes some you know I think its some core foundation stops in there ever been [TS]

01:29:16   a most of the stuff is not open source but they do publish [TS]

01:29:18   documentation and you can get the header files for all the objective studies it [TS]

01:29:22   may be hard to find and what they do is roughly 29 so you could just look at the [TS]

01:29:27   API's and the headers and documentation and use an actual Mac to figure out how [TS]

01:29:32   things work and you could make a working like a library for your platform and [TS]

01:29:36   that's kind of a good news tip as I was trying to take the open stepped-up which [TS]

01:29:39   also wasn't open source I don't know if it ever was and say we would like to be [TS]

01:29:44   able to ride programs without the square brackets on Linux too but they're not [TS]

01:29:48   going to give us the code so can we just sort of reverse engineering make a set [TS]

01:29:52   of libraries with exactly the same phone from state exactly the same argument [TS]

01:29:55   that behaving exactly the same way [TS]

01:29:57   but are still be open source and that happen you know it like any sort of open [TS]

01:30:01   source volunteer led effort very difficult to keep pace with like Apple [TS]

01:30:06   and all their engineers adding changes to cocoa and everything so I don't know [TS]

01:30:09   how far can you step aside as kept up but this effort seems like that all be [TS]

01:30:14   funded by Microsoft a lot more people if you're going to compile my you I can [TS]

01:30:19   application source code without having Apple's code for the UIKit frameworks [TS]

01:30:24   you will have to have framework with the same names with the same functions to [TS]

01:30:28   link against otherwise nothing is going to work and we're going to get those [TS]

01:30:31   from you can have to write them yourselves and make sure they behave in [TS]

01:30:33   the same way as Apple's there and that is humongous job and that is so unlike [TS]

01:30:38   Microsoft because now you're sort of signing up to try to keep pace with [TS]

01:30:41   Apple's rapid development of their libraries and you're telling people to [TS]

01:30:45   you know not even part throughout the ages bring your source code over it will [TS]

01:30:50   compile in our platform as a way to get more applications for your platform but [TS]

01:30:54   you don't even have your own platform at that point all you have is another place [TS]

01:30:57   where you know people are writing at Apple's platform and they can also by [TS]

01:31:01   the way we use that work to sort of going your platform as an afterthought [TS]

01:31:03   on your platform at that point same thing with the end right out like is why [TS]

01:31:08   does why bother having an API if you know I understand that underlie go we [TS]

01:31:14   need more apps on our platform we can get more apps by saying hey it's really [TS]

01:31:17   easy to take your existing Android or iOS that bring it up but then do you [TS]

01:31:21   even have a pop at that point who in the world is ever going to try to get your [TS]

01:31:24   API are you really gonna put a lot of effort into improving your API you gonna [TS]

01:31:27   be spending all your time chasing these other API that you don't even control [TS]

01:31:30   they can be changed in ways that intentionally or accidentally break your [TS]

01:31:34   compatibility both of these companies could decide to sue you probably not go [TS]

01:31:38   cuz articles are suing them over the jobs they get cranky and be like well [TS]

01:31:42   like the cocoa API is copyrighted and you can't bottle with Java suit right so [TS]

01:31:47   depending on that sticks out because I might not have been on strong legal [TS]

01:31:51   footing this I'm interested in the technical details as well but strategy [TS]

01:31:57   was like I see the benefits we we're desperately need to get more apps on our [TS]

01:32:02   platform this is my way to do it and usually like file format wise as it [TS]

01:32:06   approaches his work for Microsoft in the past [TS]

01:32:08   of like we can read wordperfect warm out of its a good example SunAmerica did [TS]

01:32:12   that but like the way to get if your marketing is an entrenched leader you [TS]

01:32:16   need your application to you need to make it so that using your application [TS]

01:32:20   is as easy as possible for the people who use your computing application I got [TS]

01:32:23   was not a big deal we can read your files will impart them we can we can [TS]

01:32:26   save in your old format like everything is great you know like sort of just be a [TS]

01:32:31   smooth upgrade path because you're not in a position to say drop everything and [TS]

01:32:34   come to our pipeline that tried that it didn't work out now they're trying to [TS]

01:32:38   say is that a big deal like I know you got that but like you might wanna make a [TS]

01:32:42   Windows version of it to its really easy you bring your source code over we [TS]

01:32:45   compiled a couple of tweaks here and there hey why not write guys that is not [TS]

01:32:49   a strong pitch but that is that you know that the thin edge of the wedge if [TS]

01:32:53   you're lucky but if you're not lucky all you're doing is just further doing your [TS]

01:32:56   own platform to never be a real problem that you control well and I don't think [TS]

01:33:01   this really solves the problem of why there aren't more apps on Windows Phone [TS]

01:33:06   and windows all the more modern Windows platforms [TS]

01:33:10   the problem is is really not that we were waiting for being able to share the [TS]

01:33:16   same code because he said there's tons of problems that tons problems as a [TS]

01:33:20   developer I don't think I would trust that to be a stable long-term way to do [TS]

01:33:25   it [TS]

01:33:25   first of all like if I come out there and and if I let's move on my code into [TS]

01:33:30   this thing and I can compile it actually does work and I can ship overcast for [TS]

01:33:34   Windows Phone using this crazy set up I'm gonna then tell people this I'm [TS]

01:33:40   gonna announce this animated get customers who were on Windows Phones who [TS]

01:33:44   are paying for the app that's all it's all based on this crazy setup continuing [TS]

01:33:50   to work into the future and that's something that I would not want to rest [TS]

01:33:55   my my customer trust on and my reputation on and it would it would [TS]

01:34:00   definitely become yet another thing I would have to maintain separately yet [TS]

01:34:05   another thing that would have separate support issues separate bugs it would [TS]

01:34:09   have all the downsides of a new platform in addition to the massive liability of [TS]

01:34:15   this of this compatibility layer that it would all depend on my I wouldn't trust [TS]

01:34:20   that end [TS]

01:34:21   the reason why there aren't more developers making apps for Windows Phone [TS]

01:34:27   System and and all the artists from Metro is the reason why there are more [TS]

01:34:32   of these is not because we were waiting for a code to cross compile its because [TS]

01:34:38   a none of us use these platforms basically there are some effectively [TS]

01:34:43   zero relative to the to the market so none of the developers who are making [TS]

01:34:47   the kinds of apps that people want to be forms are using themselves and there [TS]

01:34:52   aren't that many people in the marketplace of buying these platforms [TS]

01:34:55   especially the kind of people who would be willing and able to install the kind [TS]

01:35:02   of apps that we make and then that that's that's a big you know that's [TS]

01:35:06   that's a big limitation right there like that rules out most enterprise customers [TS]

01:35:10   that rules out a whole lot of Windows users so you know people who would [TS]

01:35:14   actually buy these apps that kind of Absa that iOS programmers make and [TS]

01:35:19   repairs make people would actually buy them and use them whether they market [TS]

01:35:22   their this that's a very big question and they just don't have the unit sales [TS]

01:35:28   to support that in in the mobile platform in on the PC platform it's [TS]

01:35:32   usually not use that way so there really is no reason for developers to spend [TS]

01:35:39   ahora time and Windows Phone right now and that might change in the future but [TS]

01:35:43   right now that's it's it's just there is unjustified and this is gonna change [TS]

01:35:49   that anything they do on the cold side is not going to change that they need to [TS]

01:35:51   the need to change the market like the market of their devices and other their [TS]

01:35:56   platforms that's what has to change I don't know how you go about changing [TS]

01:35:59   that but there's no amount of like bribing developers or making things [TS]

01:36:05   easier for developers that can really solve that problem on a big scale well [TS]

01:36:09   you can see that the company thanks candy cane something with their name [TS]

01:36:14   is not bothered by the sort of you know reputation and support concerned that [TS]

01:36:19   you are like its shuttle where does the term in the game industry for a reason [TS]

01:36:24   alright we can make a Windows version really easily shareable do that like [TS]

01:36:28   whatever its in especially with games or it's like not much native UI anyway they [TS]

01:36:32   have the manpower to to chase the weird bugs out on that or they just see it as [TS]

01:36:37   a small amount of incremental income for not much extra money or you know like [TS]

01:36:41   this is going to get more obligations and their platform but I don't know if [TS]

01:36:45   it's a net win for them and that's like addressing it like you stole my phone [TS]

01:36:49   you have more software and if you have more software you might sell more phones [TS]

01:36:51   like that ranged from every possible angle again not that they're in the same [TS]

01:36:55   position Apple in the nineties but I get a similar vibe like what I back when [TS]

01:36:58   Apple was desperate much more desperate than Microsoft probably ever be they [TS]

01:37:03   were willing to try all those ideas that people have been telling them for years [TS]

01:37:06   they should do like you know trial license CEOs try making a TV tried [TS]

01:37:11   making x86 compatible things try selling your computers and seniors you know like [TS]

01:37:16   they were doing everything that anyone had ever told them that you might want [TS]

01:37:20   to try and call them you know like there is a reason they hadn't done them in the [TS]

01:37:24   past the clones what is the worst thing ever and telling you should licensee [TS]

01:37:29   operating system used to play with Microsoft you shouldn't be so stubborn [TS]

01:37:33   and training been doing yourself use things that other people have died [TS]

01:37:36   without stirring things are all Android App Store on Windows make Windows remake [TS]

01:37:41   windows open source like just called list of like a list of the things that [TS]

01:37:45   people have said Microsoft should try and it slowly tries them you realize [TS]

01:37:49   they were always bad ideas or its too late or both [TS]

01:37:53   so I don't know why I kind of like the new Microsoft in there doing exciting [TS]

01:37:59   things but they I feel like they're losing control of their platform if you [TS]

01:38:05   like they had a good platform to potential growth path and just a series [TS]

01:38:09   of bad mistakes they've they're no longer masters of their own destiny and [TS]

01:38:14   so many ways that it's depressing [TS]

01:38:17   but I agree with that but man is it interesting to watch is now I mean it's [TS]

01:38:22   just so fun to watch what what they're doing even if they're making more [TS]

01:38:26   missteps which I don't know that they're making missteps but they are definitely [TS]

01:38:30   desperately he said the cash is it fun to watch and it fell faster than most [TS]

01:38:35   part like they're trying lots of things that they don't stick they move on and [TS]

01:38:38   in one respect that makes you not trustworthy as the company is people [TS]

01:38:42   don't want to buy a product like to i really wanna buy that cuz if it doesn't [TS]

01:38:46   succeed really well it's gonna be a dead end on the other hand they do need to [TS]

01:38:50   find something that works and so it's better than picking a strategy that's [TS]

01:38:53   going to save the company and sticking with five years [TS]

01:38:56   stubbornly refusing to see that the day you strategy is not working they are you [TS]

01:39:01   know I closed that the Microsoft wristband thing what are called [TS]

01:39:05   Microsoft banned I believe ya like so that I i thought that was a reasonable [TS]

01:39:09   product but did it sell in big enough numbers that they're going to make a [TS]

01:39:12   Microsoft and two and three and four if you bought a Microsoft and you gonna be [TS]

01:39:16   kind of sore that like you know I kinda like Microsoft and they just not making [TS]

01:39:20   one because it wasn't a hit at the Apple came out it couldn't compete like I [TS]

01:39:24   don't know what the balance is there should they abandoned Microsoft banned [TS]

01:39:27   because it didn't work out or should they say you know it was a pretty these [TS]

01:39:30   version one product it is differentiated from the Apple Logic interesting well [TS]

01:39:34   let's make a burden to an aversion to reenter version for quite know what the [TS]

01:39:39   right thing to do I think Microsoft so much stronger footing with that stuff [TS]

01:39:42   because that is they are the masters of their own destiny there that platform is [TS]

01:39:47   different than Amazon Web Services and easy to whatever though Google is doing [TS]

01:39:51   it like it is [TS]

01:39:53   is a contemporary it is in the running with all the other things that are out [TS]

01:39:56   there as a lot of good reports it's the great things about that all the good [TS]

01:40:00   things about the new measures up don't tied to Windows only [TS]

01:40:02   don't make it a Trojan horse to try to get our technology those people things [TS]

01:40:05   be open use JSON accept other languages be really good at what you do that I [TS]

01:40:10   think still as their flagship that obvious Xbox their two flagship non [TS]

01:40:15   embarrassing no excuses no stupid Microsoft BS for the most part the low [TS]

01:40:19   bid on the Xbox one products but windows at this point and everything involved [TS]

01:40:24   with Windows and Windows on phone then when I computers and tablets it's just a [TS]

01:40:29   mess I don't know it's it's interesting to watch it and I am I am very surprised [TS]

01:40:35   by some of the moves are making but we'll see I'm definitely gonna try to [TS]

01:40:40   watch the session tomorrow afternoon and see what the technical explanations [TS]

01:40:45   behind all this I mean I don't think it's really not solve anything for them [TS]

01:40:48   for all the reasons that both you guys expressed on top of that I mean even if [TS]

01:40:52   I could cross compile a fast X was a good argument I could cross compile fast [TS]

01:40:57   tax its go it's going to be on an operating system that has a different [TS]

01:41:01   paradigm than iOS and so it's going to feel out of place like this this is a [TS]

01:41:06   ton of issues that associated with it well what am i testing autonomy gonna go [TS]

01:41:09   buy a Lumia just a test for fast acts like so many problems here but I think [TS]

01:41:15   they are trying to cover all bases and they want to be able to say well you [TS]

01:41:19   know what this this Windows Phone thing didn't really work out but we did [TS]

01:41:22   everything we could we even cross compiled Objective C that's how serious [TS]

01:41:27   we were about it and you know it just didn't work [TS]

01:41:30   yeah how did that team must that team went with the biggest secrets can buy [TS]

01:41:38   dollars doesn't like seriously I mean I don't know maybe they didn't start this [TS]

01:41:42   project laughter but I I'd assume that is so much work that it was happening [TS]

01:41:45   then whatever instead it's like well you know you're kinda scared or the park was [TS]

01:41:51   on the whole Objective C cross compiling thing there at least it seems that way [TS]

01:41:57   alright thanks a lot for three spots this week Backblaze casper and Harry's [TS]

01:42:02   and we will see you next week [TS]

01:42:06   now the show they didn't even mean to begin [TS]

01:42:11   it was accidental [TS]

01:42:14   accidental John [TS]

01:42:22   and you can be done and if Marco [TS]

01:43:05   is anything else we have to talk I can tell you more about the law to mean I [TS]

01:43:11   had a so so on this week's connected I haven't listened yet ok well I wanna [TS]

01:43:16   spoil one part of it is a no spoiler it isn't so mike mike was saying that [TS]

01:43:23   because the watch is really not a 2012 device like you know that the hand that [TS]

01:43:29   that it's being worn on can't interact with the screen unless you have some [TS]

01:43:34   crazy hand I've never seen before but for the most part most human hands won't [TS]

01:43:37   be able to interact with it from the hand of wearing the watch so you have to [TS]

01:43:41   use your other hand to actually touch the screen the buttons so really it's a [TS]

01:43:45   two-handed device it's not like a phone you can use entirely within one hand [TS]

01:43:50   because the same hand holding it can be using it to six plus watches are not [TS]

01:43:55   that way so mike was saying that he is already on many occasions used his nose [TS]

01:44:02   to touch the screen on the watch even going as far as to hit buttons with his [TS]

01:44:06   nose to reply to text messages which is awesome and they all made fun of him [TS]

01:44:11   unconnected for saying this however I'm here to say that I have done that too I [TS]

01:44:16   have not gone as far as pushing buttons but I have you my news to wake up the [TS]

01:44:21   screen to show me the time if the risk thing is failing and I need to see the [TS]

01:44:25   time for something for my grass suggestion absolutely my great [TS]

01:44:30   suggestion and also my suggestion is someone with a very large nose is that [TS]

01:44:33   your time is probably more precise pointing device that is a good [TS]

01:44:37   suggestion but i dont wanna get my screen all wet or liggett that's true I [TS]

01:44:41   said it was gross I'm just throwing that out there and that he receives your [TS]

01:44:44   concern and germs are not are you want to strengthen your immune system by [TS]

01:44:47   taking in lots of foreign germs go for the town as someone who is blessed with [TS]

01:44:54   a particularly large NAS from what are you talking about you do not have a big [TS]

01:44:59   nose I'm half Italian and half Jewish I will not have a big nose you don't have [TS]

01:45:05   a big nose you have you have an average and whatever anyways [TS]

01:45:09   accent on those podcast everything all comparing those only boring small anyway [TS]

01:45:17   there's so many jokes I can make it anyway so I use my schnoz especially in [TS]

01:45:27   bed to hit the back button on my iPhone I don't know why I do that all the time [TS]

01:45:35   but i do and i dont have watched to try it on way way way way way why to hit the [TS]

01:45:41   back button like a web browser what do you wanna know the upper left hand [TS]

01:45:46   corner of the screen because my hand isn't big enough to reach the upper left [TS]

01:45:50   hand corner of the screen changes to enhance shammy way using your nose gear [TS]

01:45:54   over there is no I'm not using that time I have I can you get everything with one [TS]

01:46:00   hand on my phone I don't have a watch I'm just saying to the people who find [TS]

01:46:03   themselves like carrier bag of groceries and having to watch the need to hit [TS]

01:46:06   specific bun for Mike specifically I don't feel like I could hit with my nose [TS]

01:46:10   if you like my nose touches the entire screen or not that's not a precision [TS]

01:46:15   pointing to my either way it's so much quicker than the handshake me to just [TS]

01:46:21   smacked the damn phone with my nose and so much easier so have you enjoyed [TS]

01:46:27   yourself doing that's a tough injury to explain now the amount of times I've [TS]

01:46:33   dropped my phone on my face [TS]

01:46:34   unrelated to using my nose as a pointing device is immeasurable I've done that so [TS]

01:46:40   many times I can't even tell you how you like laying on your back and they have [TS]

01:46:44   it propped on your chest now typically I'm holding it up and I you maybe it's [TS]

01:46:49   like winter time and only have one hand out of the covers because I'm cold and [TS]

01:46:54   so rather than doing the shimmy or pulling my might [TS]

01:46:58   extremely comfortably warm hand out of the covers all just smacked with the [TS]

01:47:03   news that your wife see you do this [TS]

01:47:06   oh yeah she's stuck when married she stuck there's nothing she can do now to [TS]

01:47:10   save myself if I saw somebody do that I would take a second look like what is [TS]

01:47:14   what is going on at the end I think if someone to the watch but their nose [TS]

01:47:18   especially again if they were like struggling with a bag of groceries I [TS]

01:47:21   would like to understand but if if it able-bodied person with two free hands [TS]

01:47:25   is helping some of the phone with their nose at me like that just read write to [TS]

01:47:32   me I feel like there are better options I hope that someday I I get to see [TS]

01:47:37   somebody else like out in the world in real life [TS]

01:47:41   hit their smart watch with their nose is that I'm sure I feel like I said I just [TS]

01:47:46   said that I've done this but I have I don't think I've done it in public like [TS]

01:47:49   in my house I don't think I would do it in public I think I was more embarrassed [TS]

01:47:55   by that they would be picking my nose in public it's like it's no worse and [TS]

01:48:00   probably actually better than the thing that i dun myself like 11 coming into [TS]

01:48:04   the house carrying a bunch of things like putting something in your mouth you [TS]

01:48:08   can get like putting me you know I did not your phone but like holding [TS]

01:48:11   something in your mouth so you can get a free hand to do something you know like [TS]

01:48:15   when you're carrying a lot of things using your mouth is it as a third man [TS]

01:48:18   told something you can usually what you're holding is just as grows or [TS]

01:48:23   grocer then you're watching might be you know I mean I don't do that thats gross [TS]

01:48:27   you don't like it when you have a lot of stuff been you know or even if it's like [TS]

01:48:36   someone calls you on the phone and you want to answer the phone but you have [TS]

01:48:39   your keys you have something else to put your keys in your mouth but the phone [TS]

01:48:41   her own you know you see in the movies all the time and I know I've done it [TS]

01:48:44   myself to do that sort of lip curl under things you're not actually like touching [TS]

01:48:48   your mouth mouth thing you're holding it just as bad [TS]

01:48:52   probably anyway but I think the hope the whole germaphobe thing of like I don't [TS]

01:48:55   want to pay them out they might have germs on it like if you do that that [TS]

01:48:59   will not lead to a strong immune system you should be kicking dirt filled with [TS]

01:49:03   animal poop and shoving it into your mouth when you're in a global wow the [TS]

01:49:11   rest assured that your top there either is or will be in both cases doing that [TS]

01:49:15   anyway so they are strengthening their immune system health antibiotics [TS]