00:00:03 ◼ ► What week is it the first week of April is that right now is the watch out yeah I know it's not soon. But not yet. [TS]
00:00:12 ◼ ► All right. Check your wrist. Just like the rest. It's hair clock. It's hair o'clock. All right. [TS]
00:00:19 ◼ ► So do we have some follow up. Starting with cooking. Apparently. Seriously. That's awesome. [TS]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Yeah this was last week on the poster up a so I was making fun of the temperature is printed on the glass door of the [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► or one seventy is not an appropriate temperature park despite the fact that it is printed on the door of the toaster [TS]
00:00:44 ◼ ► Temperature ratings because they tend to be super conservative to make sure you don't get any food borne illnesses. [TS]
00:00:49 ◼ ► I was told by several people that the government had in fact changed their recommended temperature to pork they changed [TS]
00:00:56 ◼ ► And when people mention this to me I had been recalled reading the story back then but anyway. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► The government now recommends a one forty five for pork which is a perfectly same temperature pork [TS]
00:01:06 ◼ ► and it will make it not taste like cardboard so everybody. You could say the government says the U.S. [TS]
00:01:12 ◼ ► Government that is that you can safely cook your parka one forty five and eat it and not have a days like cardboard. [TS]
00:01:17 ◼ ► All right well I feel better knowing that piece of information. I don't know about you guys. All right. [TS]
00:01:23 ◼ ► What to tell us about the F. Sixteen. As another thing last we got held I can buy think was for stressed. [TS]
00:01:31 ◼ ► And it reminded me of the stick in the at sixteen which doesn't move a couple people. [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► And so it was modified so that it moves slightly Some people say fractions of an inch Some people say moves an inch [TS]
00:01:55 ◼ ► but it moves a little bit because there was no feedback it just felt kind of weird. And I didn't. I'm sure about the F. [TS]
00:02:11 ◼ ► I remember reading about that years ago a fly by wire thing before a drive by wire came to cars [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► But flight of our came to planes first where the controls were not hooked up to the things that you put your hands on [TS]
00:02:26 ◼ ► were not hooked up to the control surfaces of the plane by a mechanical connection [TS]
00:02:30 ◼ ► but rather just by like you would move the stick and it would figure out what you're trying to do [TS]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and then it was an instructor electronics to move the control surfaces of the plane [TS]
00:02:41 ◼ ► I got to have a direct connection I don't trust these computers blah blah blah but they made a trip triple [TS]
00:02:49 ◼ ► My understanding but there is a backup system where if the fly by wire system fails you can still move. [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► Services with a stick. So there you go. The ethics Tina needed with an moving stick. [TS]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Side not to go as libration and just go with tiny amounts of movement but it still seems pretty weird. [TS]
00:03:12 ◼ ► Tell us about the current MacBook Pro and how many monitors you can connect to it. [TS]
00:03:18 ◼ ► The last week talking about the confusion of. What would happen if they had to U.S.B. Seaports on a new MacBook and. [TS]
00:03:30 ◼ ► and one external monitor wouldn't be confusing that you had the the part that you thought you could hook something into [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► it I said it would not be confusing because you would know that you bought a machine that only supports dual displays [TS]
00:03:43 ◼ ► The current mac book pro only supports two external displays but it has three places you can plug a monitor. [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► when they plug another modern It doesn't work right so there were two big pieces of follow up that we got our two P's a [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► One of them was everyone getting angry at you for falling into the Steve Jobs said or Steve Jobs did. Trap. [TS]
00:04:10 ◼ ► It's one of those things where this sort of shared cultural knowledge of a medium or whatever and. [TS]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Among the apple nerd community they were there were a lot of there was a lot of pushback on the idea. [TS]
00:04:29 ◼ ► On the other stories that were coming out saying oh Jobs is gone he was the only one who could have led Apple to [TS]
00:04:34 ◼ ► victory. Now no matter what Tim Cook does he do it without Jobs Apple can innovate and everything. [TS]
00:04:39 ◼ ► Tim Cook did it was well Steve Jobs but I don't this well he's no Steve Jobs was Steve Jobs had done that [TS]
00:04:47 ◼ ► I don't want to see anyone comparing anything to move the Steve Jobs I don't want to see anyone ever think the of jobs [TS]
00:04:51 ◼ ► what did on this and what a done that the spirit was that me I'm developed in was worthwhile and that [TS]
00:04:58 ◼ ► when that transition to date was there were a lot of those hysterical stories about how. [TS]
00:05:08 ◼ ► Possible to ever compare and contrast the valves and Tim Cook and that. That permits I reject. [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► Whether or not you think one is better than the other and whether or not you want to make that particular case [TS]
00:05:23 ◼ ► I was comparing them directly on things that they had each done with the product line not saying well like. [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► What was Steve Jobs had done about the watch or some product the didn't that he didn't even know about. [TS]
00:05:38 ◼ ► But still I think is a valid line of inquiry as long as you're not using it as a cudgel to say like Steve Jobs would [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► never done that therefore what Tim Cook is doing is wrong because Steve Jobs is infallible though is over so anyway. [TS]
00:05:59 ◼ ► Elevate Steve Jobs to godhood and use him as a way to say whatever Tim Cook does is bad [TS]
00:06:10 ◼ ► He's always right there for I'm right because I'm telling you what the gods would have thought about the watcher. [TS]
00:06:15 ◼ ► You know I again I don't know if you knew about the watch would be better if we had example of a product that we were [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► sure that Steve Jobs never knew about a lot of things have been in the works for a long time. But anyway. [TS]
00:06:24 ◼ ► That's that's how I feel about the comparisons as the of jobs. So you stand by your comparison from last week. [TS]
00:06:30 ◼ ► Yes totally because you know it is not like completely speculative I'm not using the ghost of Steve Jobs as sure I [TS]
00:06:36 ◼ ► support my opinion I said I didn't even know what strategy was better than some because one of the of jobs one [TS]
00:06:40 ◼ ► and I could go either way on it it's not clear like it's not. It is completely valid. [TS]
00:06:47 ◼ ► and have him tell us about something awesome then he can go back to sleep for a few more minutes. [TS]
00:06:54 ◼ ► This is what people didn't for you want to explain why all asleep because no one's going to know why you're also doing [TS]
00:06:59 ◼ ► it like you did you think that everyone follows your life down to the tweet on Twitter [TS]
00:07:03 ◼ ► but people going to listen to this who haven't been following on Twitter have no idea why you're out of it so once you [TS]
00:07:07 ◼ ► explain a Thank God I'm so tired of Twitter. People are so nasty there anyway. Honestly I'm pulling away from Twitter. [TS]
00:07:18 ◼ ► It is simply not worth it you haven't even been tweeting that much what do you know that's what I'm talking about. [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► All right well and they will save us we have to show her of a therapy session and see what's going on on your Twitter. [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► Well it's. It isn't that in the recent It's like I'm slowly realizing over the course of time. That Twitter is. [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► It's a tricky balance between whether it makes your life better or worse. Overall and. [TS]
00:07:43 ◼ ► And I've been questioning what the. What the value of it is for me recently and whether it is a net gain or loss. [TS]
00:07:48 ◼ ► And I think. Maybe it's it's probably a net gain still but. But the ratio there is not as good as it should be. [TS]
00:07:56 ◼ ► So I'm really not incredibly happy with it anyway. And I'm exploring ways to try to fix that young man. [TS]
00:08:03 ◼ ► When you are tired of Twitter your tired of life. Another reference to an object. That's all wrong. [TS]
00:08:08 ◼ ► From a long time ago. So the reason I sound like this and the reason I'm out of it and probably not making any sense. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► Is because I have just returned from a trip across the Atlantic Ocean. To Ireland for the wonderful tool conference. [TS]
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00:11:32 ◼ ► All right so I had said earlier that there were two major pieces of follow up that that we got a lot of complaining [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► And the other one had to do with some of the statements we made on fab in RAM which in turn were based on some follow [TS]
00:11:55 ◼ ► up that we had gotten two weeks ago so John you want to set all this straight you know this is my memory. [TS]
00:12:08 ◼ ► That the first thing they do to work out the kinks in a new process size was fab RAM because it's simple. [TS]
00:12:17 ◼ ► And then we get feedback with said No no I actually DRAM is really complicated is that capacitors they're like they're [TS]
00:12:22 ◼ ► not like two flat plate facing in shows like a tube within a Toobin it's really complicated to fab them [TS]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and actually it's much harder to fab those capacitors than just regular plain old logic transistors so that the filling [TS]
00:12:39 ◼ ► When they pass through like thirty two nanometer something changes you know things get weird. [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► You start getting really small process sizes like who knows amazing love X. Ray lithography maybe we already have X. [TS]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and not much it's not like you just drink drink drink that's going to shrink your whole life. [TS]
00:12:59 ◼ ► Where it's like I'll you know they just keep shrinking the process but like. It doesn't take a genius to figure out. [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Eventually you get down to the things that they're slamming together in the big ring underground somewhere in Europe [TS]
00:13:20 ◼ ► Last week I said What the heck was I remembering with this whole fabric RAM for us and I just crazy [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and I got a lot of people who would be in position to know telling me that what I was. [TS]
00:13:33 ◼ ► RAM not DRAM SRAM of the stuff you use to make like the caches and stuff on C.B.S. It is not the same as DRAM. [TS]
00:13:40 ◼ ► It is much more expensive than DRAM and faster because you need to use way more transistors per bit of stored memory. [TS]
00:13:47 ◼ ► But unlike the RAM It doesn't need to be refreshed every X. Number of milliseconds Anyway I will link to the the. [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► but the point is SRAM does not is not filled with capacitors is just a bunch of logic gates and it is very regular [TS]
00:14:01 ◼ ► and that is what they use to test out the kinks in their process in fact we have someone enter Yang from a. [TS]
00:14:06 ◼ ► Another he's not the one from Intel at some else from Intel but anyway. He links to and then text Oracle while back. [TS]
00:14:11 ◼ ► Specifically talking about SRAM than Tex their story says the good old SRAM test vehicles a great weight are now bugs [TS]
00:14:18 ◼ ► And he talks about how intel was damage in two thousand and seven their thirty two nanometre SRAM test chip. [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► And Eric who used to work at Intel until two thousand and six. Says that each new process node and S.D.. [TS]
00:14:32 ◼ ► I saw someone else I don't have the notes here are saying that that that measurement of like how small you able to get [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► as RAM is kind of like the yardstick for how you're doing on your process size ago we first got us ram down to the size [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► of the state or whatever so there you go. One letter makes a difference if you don't know difference in S. [TS]
00:14:48 ◼ ► RAM and DRAM I encourage you to read the Wikipedia pages it will put in the show it's because all RAM is crazy [TS]
00:14:55 ◼ ► and RAM will make you appreciate the stuff inside your computer that you never need to think about. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► Prophesies and I didn't quite understand this chart and it seems to contradict some of things I just said [TS]
00:15:25 ◼ ► Crap in the show it's anyone's to parse that out and figure what it is I'm looking at there. [TS]
00:15:32 ◼ ► and not DRAM in the first letter makes all the difference that took surprisingly little time Jon I'm very proud if I [TS]
00:15:38 ◼ ► tried to trim it down I didn't want it there was some are rehashing of the new MacBook I think we've covered. Yeah. [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► Oh no not when we are what Apple sends us all our free sample copies I will talk about it some more. [TS]
00:15:52 ◼ ► Oh yeah that yeah I didn't mention I got so I got five of the moment in my mailbox today. [TS]
00:15:57 ◼ ► Yes I said check your wrist you're wearing two Apple watches right now. Oh my God you're right. [TS]
00:16:10 ◼ ► Would So it's funny that this is the week that we run through follow up so quickly because we don't really have any [TS]
00:16:26 ◼ ► but would you like to talk about our Macs and roadmap rumors. I think we all would. [TS]
00:16:38 ◼ ► So we ran out of topics they were moving from discussing. New B.S. Rumors to discussing. Ancient B.S. Room. Yeah. [TS]
00:16:49 ◼ ► It's in one of those subcommunities that we don't really travel in like the whole semiconductor forums [TS]
00:16:56 ◼ ► but you know where they're where they're debating they're really into who's particular process size [TS]
00:17:01 ◼ ► and what particular technology is getting what contrasts. For what chip and you know all that stuff. [TS]
00:17:07 ◼ ► So at the very least like anyway. Look at the story. It's about like the A nine the A ten a nine X. The A ten X. The S. [TS]
00:17:15 ◼ ► One and yes to all names that you could very easily make up based on the you know. [TS]
00:17:28 ◼ ► and contracts that are split over different fabs like Sam's log into has and seeing global foundry [TS]
00:17:37 ◼ ► and there's a big table showing less information most of which is not that big of deal except from the perspective of [TS]
00:17:43 ◼ ► You know How is Apple managing its relationship with its fierce competitor Samsung that it is still relying on to fab a [TS]
00:17:50 ◼ ► lot of its chips. And that's always an uncomfortable situation and we've talked in the past about. [TS]
00:17:54 ◼ ► Perhaps getting intel. Into the mix here because they are usually at the forefront of process technology. [TS]
00:18:01 ◼ ► Very often far ahead of the rest of the field itself are Apple hasn't been using them for anything [TS]
00:18:05 ◼ ► but it's because of course Intel is their own chips they want to use instead of arm and anyway. [TS]
00:18:15 ◼ ► Line is a ball on a nine antennas of those with the i Phone on the Apple watches across the S. [TS]
00:18:24 ◼ ► and then the middle I don't it's as a nine X. A ten X. I Pad and mac. And that is not an exciting part of the story. [TS]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Really to the people discussing it because all they care about is whose fabric and what technology it's on [TS]
00:18:35 ◼ ► but it's like I'll just throw that in the yeah of course then I commit an act of course that we max based on those. [TS]
00:18:40 ◼ ► And this is the internal arm they snack rumor that we've talked about length in the past. [TS]
00:18:45 ◼ ► I think it was worth revisiting. Do we think anything has changed on the feasibility of likeability of ARM based Macs. [TS]
00:18:54 ◼ ► In light of what say like than the new mac book with its five watt. C.P.U. and The very latest. [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► I Pad Air two with its benchmarks versus new computer is that we think it now is the time to he believed. [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► You know little table here anymore than we did in the past or the just still awaiting Fiat's it. [TS]
00:19:14 ◼ ► You know I actually had an interesting. And related realization. At work the other day. [TS]
00:19:20 ◼ ► One of my co-workers who is not a developer. She had just swapped a Dell. I Pad Air narcs kissing. [TS]
00:19:32 ◼ ► MacBook Air happen to be a few years old I don't recall exactly when it was built. [TS]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Now typically when we used to she Max to everyone doesn't matter if your developer not. We would our I.T. [TS]
00:19:58 ◼ ► Are going to need to do something in Windows that they can't do in O.O.S. Ten and so those are I.T. [TS]
00:20:05 ◼ ► Guy would just get ahead of the curve and just put the more fusion on there. And I went to do something in the M.R. [TS]
00:20:11 ◼ ► Fusion on her machine off camera was but doesn't really matter. And the more fusion wasn't there. [TS]
00:20:17 ◼ ► And that was a little bit odd for me because I thought it was a given that safer Visine know if nothing else. That V.M. [TS]
00:20:30 ◼ ► and that relates to this discussion because I've have to imagine that virtualizing a Windows installation unless it was [TS]
00:20:40 ◼ ► whatever that we are to version of Windows is that runs on the surface. The armed services. [TS]
00:20:55 ◼ ► Was that they would have like separate daughter boards on some of these old Max that would basically be a P.C. [TS]
00:21:08 ◼ ► but nobody on them like you knew would never see one in the wild they made a couple machines that you could do that [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► with a couple third parties actual show the card but it was not a thing like Virtual P.C. [TS]
00:21:16 ◼ ► Was the thing and that was all emulated X. Eighty six. P.C. On my Power P.C. MAC and it was to burst low. [TS]
00:21:29 ◼ ► and this is granted directly driven by the fact that I do all of my work on the Microsoft stack. But nonetheless. [TS]
00:21:39 ◼ ► when just one of the able to get my job done by booting into Windows and using Visual Studio [TS]
00:21:44 ◼ ► and doing all that sort of thing. But it's very interesting to me that someone who isn't a developer. [TS]
00:21:49 ◼ ► Apparently doesn't need Windows anymore. And that's a change from just a couple of years back at least in my workplace. [TS]
00:21:56 ◼ ► And that is kind of what you were talking about John you know is this more feasible now well I don't know [TS]
00:22:01 ◼ ► but certainly could be. I think it's not just Windows because we always think Oh I say six. [TS]
00:22:07 ◼ ► It's great we can run Windows software now finally this. The divide existed for so long it was an actress's P.C. [TS]
00:22:23 ◼ ► There is no excuse not to you don't take it there's Mag You know I mean I can do it can do everything you can kind of [TS]
00:22:31 ◼ ► We need to be able to do what the competition can do long enough to defeat the competition [TS]
00:22:37 ◼ ► and then it doesn't matter anymore it's not like the mac is defeating Windows P.C.'s [TS]
00:22:40 ◼ ► but what's happening is that you know the P.C. Is being defeated by every hit by mobile. Right. [TS]
00:22:49 ◼ ► World and maybe Windows becomes less relevant to even Microsoft as bring all that stuff. [TS]
00:22:54 ◼ ► To be you know net net base or Voces and cloud subscriptions and web based things and you know. It's just that. [TS]
00:23:11 ◼ ► Eighty six I think it's still indispensable for those things I don't think it's feasible for Apple to go armed for [TS]
00:23:17 ◼ ► variety of reasons. And for X. Eighty six so there isn't a very appealing that Windows is from my perspective. [TS]
00:23:23 ◼ ► In my particular job in everyone's various windows yes it's important but I feel like Linux is just as important [TS]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Compilation problems than to just you know sort out everything you need to sort out on X. Eighty six sixty four Linux. [TS]
00:23:48 ◼ ► Right because that is the sweet spot that is what everyone is using That's the common thing if you have some exotic [TS]
00:23:56 ◼ ► You are a little bit off the beaten path that a big deal no but it's just a hassle it's an annoyance it's. [TS]
00:24:13 ◼ ► But it's kind of weird you might tweak a make file and it's like why doesn't just build out of the box Luckily ever. [TS]
00:24:22 ◼ ► Seem to get Macs because it only took a few years for all those packages to start building [TS]
00:24:25 ◼ ► and now you just expect if I get something from the open source world it will build on the MAC of a dozen you're angry [TS]
00:24:32 ◼ ► at somebody so we've already become titled. Like how dare that thing not build on the Mac. Right. But yeah. I think X.. [TS]
00:24:51 ◼ ► and even Windows as a various times are on different platforms are merging of windows now there was a power with a [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► version of Windows N.T. For people who are really old Remember that one. But X. Eighty six is still that commonality. [TS]
00:25:02 ◼ ► So regardless of what goes on in the low end of arm I have to think that they have Apple would have to keep X. [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► Eighty six fifty four at the very least on the high end. For some period of time and. [TS]
00:25:13 ◼ ► The thing that makes trips me up about the ARM based mac is like. So do you have two different. C.P. Using Macs. [TS]
00:25:31 ◼ ► Yeah that seems weird I mean that's Microsoft is doing with the surface right because they have the surface.. [TS]
00:25:42 ◼ ► but yeah there's a surface that runs arm which at least the early ones I haven't kept up with the later ones [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► but a few co-workers go to build every year and that's kind of the Microsoft of you to be D.C. [TS]
00:25:56 ◼ ► Unlike Apple Microsoft gives away all sorts of off some goodies. Like I think they got X. [TS]
00:26:12 ◼ ► or ten pieces of software that came with it. But they were pieces of crap it for anything else. [TS]
00:26:18 ◼ ► And the chat room is telling me well that's not really a thing anymore but it's still an illustrated example of well. [TS]
00:26:26 ◼ ► It makes everything harder when you're not running on the platform that they're not running on the C.P.U. [TS]
00:26:31 ◼ ► That most of the platform is running on. Now granted just like you said John over time that would change but it's. [TS]
00:26:37 ◼ ► It's weird from a consumer point of view like we've been lamenting maybe not the three of us as much [TS]
00:26:41 ◼ ► but we as a community been lamenting. All the different skews that are that Apple is that has now. [TS]
00:26:47 ◼ ► Between i Pads and certainly the watch and. I Phones and Macs and this would just further complicate things. [TS]
00:26:56 ◼ ► I don't know. It's. I agree with you for sure John that it seems really aggressive to get rid of Intel. [TS]
00:27:13 ◼ ► These very sad that the board a knowledge of the terrorist attack by the way that the ARM based version of Windows. [TS]
00:27:22 ◼ ► Gone around in circles here John Doe it's dead. It's just going away it's a sleeping. You know X. [TS]
00:27:31 ◼ ► We can make you know because it's when they were doing like the original service right [TS]
00:27:36 ◼ ► but the best chips in Delhi give them a Story Corps like events to be on the side of their tablet [TS]
00:27:40 ◼ ► and I was kind of like. Now I can we make one that i Pad like. But still using you know like camp. [TS]
00:27:51 ◼ ► Can we still put Windows on it as the whole thing was like Windows eight it's the same error of all [TS]
00:27:54 ◼ ► but all we can make an ARM version of Windows How about that. And if it sold like gangbusters. [TS]
00:28:01 ◼ ► but service in general didn't sell a gang busters in the arm version even less so because just like he said people [TS]
00:28:06 ◼ ► bought them. And if there I can imagine people buying one thing while this runs Windows I'll be able to run everything. [TS]
00:28:11 ◼ ► And being mistaken despite the fact that I'm sure the nice Microsoft sales people tried to emphasize to them that you [TS]
00:28:20 ◼ ► It required Microsoft to do the thing that has not been really good to doing lately which is make all the people who [TS]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Also compile an ARM version make sure your app works on ARM like Apple is the king of hurting its developer community. [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► Toward through platform transitions where there be from one C.P.U. To the next from desktop the phone or from power B.C. [TS]
00:28:40 ◼ ► To Intel. Apple has done that. More times or more successfully than the other technology company. [TS]
00:28:45 ◼ ► And Microsoft has not done a great job of hurting its developer community from one A.P.I. [TS]
00:28:53 ◼ ► Architecture to the other hell they had a really hard time getting them onto the Windows N.T. Codebase off of the. [TS]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Windows there down one hundred ninety five hundred ninety eight docx code base so it could just be different strengths [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► in the company. I totally the Apple could pull off an arm that transition. But I'm always looking like. [TS]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Aside from the obvious upside that we talk about all the time Apple one stone in control every important technology in [TS]
00:29:15 ◼ ► and that's the reason we're talking about this at all it's totally fits with everything they want to do [TS]
00:29:19 ◼ ► but then you say or do you can do about the not pro already and over the next book pro. Are you going to become a C.P.U. [TS]
00:29:26 ◼ ► Design powerhouse there is a we already R.C.B. Your design Paris look at the eight where I'm a. Yes. [TS]
00:29:37 ◼ ► And all the Macs are arm now we've got a twelve core arm for our Macin pros all the way down to the time you little arm [TS]
00:29:43 ◼ ► in our apple watch and we design them all because now we're the new Intel and I guess. [TS]
00:29:48 ◼ ► We get Samsung and to fab them for us the process know that maybe a little bit behind Intel. I don't know. [TS]
00:29:58 ◼ ► Well and also if we look at like did you see there was there was a benchmark on banks that has been since taken down. [TS]
00:30:06 ◼ ► But I saw a screenshot of it earlier. This is a benchmark of the new mac book the new slow mac book and. [TS]
00:30:23 ◼ ► I have reason to believe a few details about the screen shot it looks legitimate. I think this is. [TS]
00:30:29 ◼ ► I think this is a real deal. So we've actually we now can see kind of what the what the C.P.U. [TS]
00:30:38 ◼ ► Performance is as Intel tries to go all the way down to arm level chips and it's it is not an atom chip. [TS]
00:30:44 ◼ ► This is an actual you know. Core. Serious chip but it's pretty it's pretty close. And if you. [TS]
00:30:57 ◼ ► The best the best ARM chip that's kind of in that ballpark for like you know. Lot of general like that right. [TS]
00:31:05 ◼ ► It's fairly. Close as you know it's in the ballpark it's very similar to what we're seeing in the arm jobs. [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► So I think if you look at this you can you can kind of see well in our version of this laptop really wouldn't be that [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► or battery wise like I think it would be certainly in the same ballpark on both of those criteria. [TS]
00:31:32 ◼ ► and enough technology if Intel can kind of reach down to the power levels of ARM chips to make a very low level chip. [TS]
00:31:42 ◼ ► And if arm can reach up and try to make a chip that performs as well as Intel but still keeps that inflow. [TS]
00:31:47 ◼ ► And they're both kind of reaching the same general range by doing that then why why should Apple. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Why why make the jump it seems like there's a lot of game to be had there. Simon when he tweeted out US The earlier. [TS]
00:32:08 ◼ ► He says the i Pad air to just not from the Tweed to expand its output He says twenty seven point three watt hour is [TS]
00:32:18 ◼ ► Eight hundred forty five hundred gig bench as to number separated by a slash. And it's a twenty animators. [TS]
00:32:23 ◼ ► And the new MacBook is thirty nine point seven what ours again I assume that's the battery. [TS]
00:32:27 ◼ ► Nine hundred four thousand gig bench so it's comparable geek bench core and it's fourteen animators like yours [TS]
00:32:33 ◼ ► and they're like their ballpark. You know close to each other the i Pad or two in the new MacBook. [TS]
00:32:43 ◼ ► I don't you know maybe as a retail price or whatever. What can you do. What can Apple do if they fab their own chips. [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► You know we don't want to give a portion of our profits to Intel. But as I have said on many past programs. [TS]
00:33:03 ◼ ► I really wish. Apple and Intel those two crazy kids of yours work this out. You know. I want I want the best. [TS]
00:33:10 ◼ ► I want my Macs and everything to be fab with the best process technology human beings can make [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► You know I'm sure we've all heard that Apple probably has had a and are mac. Like in the labs for testing. [TS]
00:33:38 ◼ ► So you know anyone would agree to that who knows anything about this stuff so you know. Apple knows. [TS]
00:33:44 ◼ ► They can make in our MacBook whenever they want to intel knows that Apple can make in our mac book. [TS]
00:33:51 ◼ ► And so I think that keeps you know that healthy competition there like Intel has a bit of a fire lit into them in the [TS]
00:33:57 ◼ ► last couple of years try to get these power needs down to compete with aren't because they have no meaningful mobile [TS]
00:34:03 ◼ ► presence. They. They really need a mobile presence of they want to see any more growth ever again. And so. [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► They certainly can't lose the business they already have in N P C's and servers so they're working really hard [TS]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Process manufacturing technology in the world most of the time so I think that competition is great [TS]
00:34:31 ◼ ► Then tell as long as they are separate as long as this battle has not been settled yet. [TS]
00:34:37 ◼ ► As long as there's as long as there's a threat that Intel might lose their their P.C. Business or any part of it. [TS]
00:34:45 ◼ ► To arm. Intel going to keep working really hard. And so I was arm. And that's great. [TS]
00:34:54 ◼ ► Part of what they talk about this article is speculating about the idea that for future chips assuming this little [TS]
00:35:00 ◼ ► table is correct for future chips that Apple is spreading the manufacturing around not for technical reasons. [TS]
00:35:10 ◼ ► and tried to spread their business around from Apple just because they don't want to give anyone fab more. [TS]
00:35:19 ◼ ► Makes their own ship designs they own the intellectual property for the chip designs and they want to farm out. [TS]
00:35:26 ◼ ► To the best company the same way they do like who wants to build who wants to assemble computers. [TS]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Who wants to make our glass who wants you know like that's the relationship Apple is comfortable with we own [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► We have a competition amongst all these other lower margin businesses to kill each other for our business. [TS]
00:35:43 ◼ ► Who wants to manufacture the watch well go ahead you know fight fight with each other [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and we will pick the winner like you want to manufacture our car like you know I mean who wants to fab our chips. [TS]
00:35:52 ◼ ► And even if one company clearly has the best deal on the best technology for particular generation the speculation in [TS]
00:35:57 ◼ ► this. Semiconductor semi wiki dot com Web site is that Apple is saying. If we were. [TS]
00:36:04 ◼ ► You know if we wanted the best for the best price we would give all of our business to whoever Samsung to S.M.C. [TS]
00:36:08 ◼ ► but long term wise it's better for us to kind of spread it around to maybe give seventy five percent to Samsung [TS]
00:36:14 ◼ ► and twenty five cent to go blow a foundry just because we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket. And Intel. [TS]
00:36:26 ◼ ► That's the relationship I feel like Apple wants is we just want intelligent to be just another fab. [TS]
00:36:36 ◼ ► and they would love to have Intel like babbling some of their chips like will give Intel fifty percent and D.M.C. [TS]
00:36:43 ◼ ► But Intel's just not in it at all maybe because Intel wants all their business or none of their business [TS]
00:36:48 ◼ ► or demands that Apple use X. Eighty six in its phones. I'm sure Intel is showing Apple road maps that show. [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► What amazing chips they're going to have that could be in an i Phone in the i Phone seven [TS]
00:36:58 ◼ ► or eight like that's how Intel got Apple's business to begin with they showed them the core lineup and I said. [TS]
00:37:06 ◼ ► Here's what we're going to make of you in the future and no one can compete with it [TS]
00:37:15 ◼ ► During that first generation when they were you know coming out and Apple's laptop so. [TS]
00:37:22 ◼ ► but in the meantime Apple is shipping a hell of a lot of ARM devices manufactured by nameless faceless. [TS]
00:37:27 ◼ ► Sometimes very big competitors that we don't know or hear about and I just the way Apple likes it. [TS]
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00:40:24 ◼ ► That maybe other people have also realized but the first place I saw it was here in the show notes and. [TS]
00:40:35 ◼ ► Adapter for the MacBook that only has one port. Yeah I'm not the first person make that analogy but one. When they end. [TS]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Because in the same keynote. They announced the price drop of the Apple T.V. From one that I'm dollar six and idolize. [TS]
00:40:48 ◼ ► And they also announce the availability or. Then out the product and then of the availability of the Dr maybe. [TS]
00:40:54 ◼ ► Shortly after the announcement. We all went to the Web site and look at the adapters for the one part that book. [TS]
00:40:59 ◼ ► And one of those adapters. Is seventy nine dollars. Oh they should have called it the mac book one. [TS]
00:41:09 ◼ ► Exactly this sort of name to like the one one you know that one. What a car the super car. [TS]
00:41:14 ◼ ► The hypercar sorry the one one. I've lost track of what you're saying there's no word. [TS]
00:41:19 ◼ ► But they're not making any sense and I believe is it. The chat room tell me is that like oh any. [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► Not because I wasn't on top here and you get this all you got all your car doesn't even bring it up. [TS]
00:41:36 ◼ ► The one one is by the car manufacturer whose name I'm not going to attempt to pronounce [TS]
00:41:40 ◼ ► but you know it as the really long one on the top tier board what's the name of that company with the K. [TS]
00:41:47 ◼ ► They're making a car called the one one spelled see some weird way I think it's because it's one. [TS]
00:41:57 ◼ ► and see what the crazy people are making for cars you should probably it's a when the colon and numeral one. [TS]
00:42:04 ◼ ► That's not confusing at all. It is a crate. You have to look at it just is crazy. Anyway the Ferrari love Ferrari. [TS]
00:42:10 ◼ ► It is more there is way more creative that it will probably break after being driven one hundred miles [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► You just don't get the law for I bought this car is crazy on the hearth Barbara kilogram sorry there and European. [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► That's not on ours proper print All right. Anyway. The fact that the new Apple T.V. Is cheaper than the adapter. [TS]
00:42:32 ◼ ► I don't know what the highest as a highlight the fact that adapters too expensive. [TS]
00:42:35 ◼ ► The how is the fact that adapter also contains silicon chips we know that you know like do are the silicon chips that. [TS]
00:42:42 ◼ ► are in that adapter actually marks pensive than the ancient single core a five bits in the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► If ninety nine dollars sixty nine dollars all points towards. And the fact they announce H.B.O. [TS]
00:43:01 ◼ ► Deal or talk to him talk about a second all points towards the idea that this is her and Apple T.V. [TS]
00:43:14 ◼ ► and it's sixty nine dollars lot as many people think it will either way a new Apple T.V. Is coming. [TS]
00:43:19 ◼ ► It is long overdue I want to know Apple T.V. Comes by dropping this one at least room for the new Apple T.V. [TS]
00:43:24 ◼ ► To come in and ninety nine to have an actual decency be you and to not give me obscure errors [TS]
00:43:29 ◼ ► when I try to watch television programs and. And I'm really getting greedy here and I. [TS]
00:43:34 ◼ ► I know everyone has a Roku or some other box that they love is going to tell me this is not a problem there. [TS]
00:43:39 ◼ ► But all the T.V. Connected things that I have anything. Streams video. Whether it's streaming from icing on G. [TS]
00:43:46 ◼ ► String from my mac streaming on to my Playstation three Playstation four. From my Tivo for my Apple T.V. [TS]
00:43:52 ◼ ► What else I've connected all these different devices for my T.V. Itself streaming from Netflix. All these things. [TS]
00:43:59 ◼ ► Just this one elusive piece of technology. Seems not to exist which is the ability to do. [TS]
00:44:05 ◼ ► Scrub around in a television program in anything resembling a reliable meaningful way. Is just like. [TS]
00:44:15 ◼ ► Sometimes fascinating a rewind scan totally screws a stream and you want to start from the beginning. [TS]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Sometimes it kind of moves a little bit and stutter sometimes a perfectly good stream will stop and just like. [TS]
00:44:25 ◼ ► I don't know what the problem is with this like I do it on web pages all the time I move a little scrubber [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► and You Tube and it actually works and yet for everything connected to my television. [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► If I ever want to fast forward a rewind scan. As in not jump to the beginning. Not jump to the end. [TS]
00:44:38 ◼ ► But moving either direction. At a speed faster than one X. Playback. These applications. These devices. [TS]
00:44:45 ◼ ► Throw up their hands and say you're crazy as not going to happen. Why don't know why are even bothering. [TS]
00:44:50 ◼ ► Now Europe I will punish you with at least a three minute delay before any picture moves again. [TS]
00:44:54 ◼ ► And you won't know where you are in the stream. And you won't be able to get back to where you are and sometimes. [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► I'm starting over entirely I'm going to lose your place you have to start from the beginning [TS]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and by the way you can't get back to where you left off because if you try to fast forward scan. That will mark either. [TS]
00:45:11 ◼ ► If any part of it is related to the hardware decoding chips they use for the video codecs. [TS]
00:45:17 ◼ ► and I know I made bets probably not the problem it's probably because they're sloppy [TS]
00:45:21 ◼ ► and cheaply made in their software or slop. Sloppy and cheaply made I mean this is like. [TS]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Right now like I mean it's fine I hope they make one and I hope it does well in everything but like. [TS]
00:45:37 ◼ ► Hardware device because the problems I have with the existing Apple T.V. Don't seem hardware related. [TS]
00:45:44 ◼ ► Well that's the thing that some people are saying that chat results like. When something like this happens. [TS]
00:45:50 ◼ ► You're like what's the problem is the problem that I'm not getting data from the streaming service is the problem that [TS]
00:45:55 ◼ ► the software scrap is the problem that the hardware is crappy Is it cut some combination. [TS]
00:46:04 ◼ ► and if I change my D.M.'s I'll get a better stream is the problem that the authentication service right tunes aren't [TS]
00:46:09 ◼ ► working and really would stream fine if I got into Cajuns are reserved weren't constantly stalling [TS]
00:46:17 ◼ ► and there is so little that you can debug with these closed systems that you just like look either has to work all the [TS]
00:46:28 ◼ ► and then you're like well I guess I'm rebooting everything I own I guess I'm given the power because the only way I can [TS]
00:46:35 ◼ ► Command handshake that you hold on the remote isn't working as a things frozen hard like it is so frustrating not to [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► know where the problem isn't your diagnosis saying you think it's not a hardware problem. [TS]
00:46:51 ◼ ► and the software because it's so clearly in kind of like maintenance mode I just hope like that all the good people are [TS]
00:47:00 ◼ ► But even if they caught with a new hardware new software that's better I also believe that my connection. [TS]
00:47:04 ◼ ► My streaming connection is crappy because I've heard that Apple uses a different connection for streaming its Net Flix [TS]
00:47:10 ◼ ► And I think this is mostly borne out by I'm very experimental action when I can't get a stream of Apple T.V. [TS]
00:47:15 ◼ ► I use my Tivo Netflix line and it can go to Netflix on my in a web browser on one of my Macs [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► That have to work correctly and in harmony for me to watch a television program streaming over the Internet [TS]
00:47:41 ◼ ► The biggest the biggest frustration for me with these things. So I don't know maybe a month or two ago two months ago. [TS]
00:47:47 ◼ ► Whatever I bought both a route to T.V. Whatever the newest who is and an Amazon Fire T.V. Late the big powerful one. [TS]
00:47:56 ◼ ► Because there's two T.V.'s in the house and they both of Apple T.V.'s and the F.T.C. [TS]
00:48:01 ◼ ► Are getting so flaky and like let me let me just try something else to see what everyone's talking about [TS]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and want to check it out as I video service anyway. So they're both just of really. Mediocre. Like they're fine. [TS]
00:48:18 ◼ ► But what's really frustrating is that the Apple T.V. Is still the best one that the press isn't me. [TS]
00:48:24 ◼ ► I guess having the fantasy that the Roco that everyone loves who have a better. That's the problem. [TS]
00:48:33 ◼ ► Is still the best one which a few people on Twitter told me in advance so I I but I was afraid that it. [TS]
00:48:39 ◼ ► That they would be right and then fortunate they are I mean just by general like just usability. [TS]
00:48:43 ◼ ► The basic interface I mean these other players have had years to rip off the good stuff from Apple [TS]
00:48:52 ◼ ► I don't know what it is I maybe they just don't have the kind of sensibilities to develop simple interfaces I don't [TS]
00:49:01 ◼ ► know mate. Maybe they think the way to compete with Apple is by. During on a whole bunch of stuff. [TS]
00:49:06 ◼ ► Well that is the road like the Roku was like opposite like it's the most flexible it can run plex like if it's going to [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► let you do everything right. That's that's what it's trying to do but all of these boxes. [TS]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and I had to come up with a snappy phrasing part of the bottle as. What I want to watch a program. [TS]
00:49:36 ◼ ► I want to press a series about NS and have video play pretty much immediately. And that has to work. [TS]
00:49:46 ◼ ► Because I come from a place where a television know if your television wasn't broken then you turned it on you could [TS]
00:49:50 ◼ ► see moving pictures. Pretty much every time. The funny thing funny thing is like what you want out of seeking. [TS]
00:49:58 ◼ ► V.C.R.'s offered that perfect right and then when you know exactly like. It wasn't great but you could do it on a V.C.R.. [TS]
00:50:05 ◼ ► It was like wow I can skip without scrubbing through you know I mean there wasn't a little static you lines on D.V.D.'s [TS]
00:50:10 ◼ ► and you fast forward a toss you get like right we seem to have been making progress in how streaming [TS]
00:50:14 ◼ ► when it works right it's like this is what I wanted to magic I have access to a million shows any time I want them. [TS]
00:50:19 ◼ ► I can go to any part of it like it's amazing right there are going to spice season whole season they're really sad ones [TS]
00:50:24 ◼ ► but all the magic crumbles into dust soon as I sit down from television person series buttons on my remote [TS]
00:50:38 ◼ ► But that ten percent just destroys the illusion that you know I'm living in a future where things work. [TS]
00:50:44 ◼ ► So it's funny that the market brought up the Roku in the fire T.V. and Compared them to the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:50:55 ◼ ► Stick which is the less powerful version of what Marco got what Marco God is physically I as far as I know is a bout [TS]
00:51:09 ◼ ► Just the same volume briefly but just flatter and wider OK So the fact of the stick is more like a Chromecast. [TS]
00:51:22 ◼ ► And I got it on demand mourns recommendation because he had said he had had pretty good luck with Fire T.V. [TS]
00:51:27 ◼ ► and I don't believe he had said he'd ever tried the stick but they're roughly equivalent. [TS]
00:51:31 ◼ ► On less you have to release really nice home theater set up which I do not. So I got this far G.B. [TS]
00:51:48 ◼ ► I basically the only things I tend to do with my Apple T.V. Are airplane mirroring. [TS]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Doesn't natively support a fair play mirroring of course there are apps that you can download [TS]
00:52:10 ◼ ► They're not very good which is not surprising but there are enough in a pinch. But it has Netflix and it has plex.. [TS]
00:52:18 ◼ ► And that is easily ninety percent of what I want out of a box care or dongle connected to my T.V. [TS]
00:52:26 ◼ ► And again what makes the A if our T.V. Stick so wonderful for me is that the Plex support is fantastic. [TS]
00:52:34 ◼ ► From my i Pad or my i Phone or yes I'm aware of that god awful hack you can do with the trailers app on the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:52:40 ◼ ► I'm not going to do that. So it's. I love it because it works great with plex you can seek. Usually with plastics. [TS]
00:52:52 ◼ ► So I really like it now that being said the user interface is crappy Marco is exactly right that the user interface [TS]
00:53:04 ◼ ► Not that I have anything intrinsically against enjoyed but fiddly bits that I shouldn't have to worry about. [TS]
00:53:12 ◼ ► but they're still there like do you want to allow side loading like that why is that even an option. [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► And the way you go and get like apps is a little weird it's just like a generic search which may be. [TS]
00:53:27 ◼ ► when I search for plaques I could be ending up an app so I could be ending up on audiotape whatever the case may be. [TS]
00:53:37 ◼ ► I like it in the other thing I really like about it that just occurred to me is that the remote is either Bluetooth [TS]
00:53:42 ◼ ► or are after something. So that you do not need to point the remote at the Apple T.V. [TS]
00:53:47 ◼ ► Which is really awesome because our Apple T.V. Is kind of tucked away a little bit and not. [TS]
00:53:52 ◼ ► Extraordinarily easy to point a remote at so for all of those reasons I really love my Fire T.V. [TS]
00:54:01 ◼ ► If your if you have similar needs from your device that I do now Marco I think you have very different needs from your [TS]
00:54:08 ◼ ► device and. As far as I recall you get a lot of your media through i Tunes is that right. It's not as much anymore. [TS]
00:54:16 ◼ ► The. The the constant. D.R. Am. Errors on authentication trying to play my media that I bought from i Tunes. [TS]
00:54:25 ◼ ► I actually went when I got these boxes I did start using plex I installed myself lecture the very first time. [TS]
00:54:31 ◼ ► Using plex. For me feels a lot like building a gaming P.C. In the sense that I'm getting a lot of functionality. [TS]
00:54:42 ◼ ► But also coming at a cost of maintenance and fiddle Enos that I'm sure I just have settings wrong. [TS]
00:54:50 ◼ ► But it's just so freakin fiddly plaques. Yeah. There's nothing the only fiddly thing about plex. [TS]
00:55:01 ◼ ► but not so egregious that I can't bend to it other than that. Everything just works magically. [TS]
00:55:08 ◼ ► I can watch my media that. Stored in mice Knology anywhere in the world as long as I haven't or an Internet connection. [TS]
00:55:14 ◼ ► It will automatically transcode on the fly to whatever my speed is as it sees fit. [TS]
00:55:19 ◼ ► And it will grab all the Mehta data it needs as long as I name things appropriately like I I could not disagree more [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► I've had nothing but wonderful experiences with plex. I've tried to use plex but like. [TS]
00:55:29 ◼ ► My problem is always been I don't have anything attached to my television that can run it. [TS]
00:55:41 ◼ ► I know I figured all the P S four isn't like came out I should try it and I did and it's very bad [TS]
00:55:48 ◼ ► and there's no way a human could have figured out the crap that I had to go through to try to get this thing to work in [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► terms of opening ports on my modem ng. Getting reverse look up there which is like insanity right. [TS]
00:55:57 ◼ ► But really what I'm what I'm looking for out of yes it does just because the P S four I've used plucked on my mac [TS]
00:56:02 ◼ ► before and it's weight and eyes are like the mac version of flex if I get the MAC merchant likes on my T.V. [TS]
00:56:14 ◼ ► or have it as I think what you're talking about K.C. The dream thing. Sort of the. [TS]
00:56:18 ◼ ► The software connected box equivalent of the omnivorous box that I was dreaming about way back when like that. [TS]
00:56:38 ◼ ► Do you have random Bit Torrent things you illegally download the you have videos that you rip do you have videos of [TS]
00:56:43 ◼ ► your kid do you. Blue Ray extractions that you made with them K.V. Make em Kavi from. You know Blu rays that you own. [TS]
00:56:51 ◼ ► I don't care where this video came from. You just throw it all into the pit and. I don't care what you deem them. [TS]
00:57:00 ◼ ► Crowd sourced Internet power database Well I will figure out what the heck these files are all look at the you know the [TS]
00:57:17 ◼ ► Plex you can more or less throw a bunch of stuff that like the metadata look up the cover art. [TS]
00:57:27 ◼ ► Doing all that stuff plex and various other utilities and other sort of software to do a lot of that. [TS]
00:57:36 ◼ ► They can't really play every file that you download sometimes the device you're running it on can't transcode fast [TS]
00:57:41 ◼ ► enough to handle this thing sometimes you lose the five point one track and it mixes it down to something else. [TS]
00:57:46 ◼ ► You can't see the special features from your D.V.D.'s or Blu rays like the limitation just got stacking up [TS]
00:57:52 ◼ ► And because no one none of the legit people are motivated to be able to take your legal downloads [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► and sort them into sessions Apple's never going to do that like Rochas probably not even going to do that other than [TS]
00:58:06 ◼ ► And so this is definitely an in-between stage where we are in a transition from broadcast television to streaming [TS]
00:58:14 ◼ ► television. And there's lots of sort of do it yourself are solutions that work to varying degrees but. [TS]
00:58:26 ◼ ► Needs to be like the old one in one specific way. When you press play video has to play. [TS]
00:58:31 ◼ ► And I don't care where the problem isn't it is anyone else is there with the networks is that I a speed fighting with [TS]
00:58:52 ◼ ► and I have my house that is closest to the ideal of press playing video place is the Tivo. Why. [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► Because it's piggybacking on the Old Crow the coaxial cable that comes into my house that delivers television which has [TS]
00:59:10 ◼ ► You know I have a cable card goes in the case because I feel cable goes into the back of my T.V. [TS]
00:59:18 ◼ ► And then to the hard drive and an incredibly weak C.P.U. and A bunch of video decoding chips. That record. [TS]
00:59:24 ◼ ► Six of those channels at once onto a hard drive and when I press play it plays the video off that hard drive and [TS]
00:59:29 ◼ ► when I fast ordinary want it fast forwards only once and it works every time and it doesn't crash [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► It does have a Netflix Hine on it which is flaky and it does have all these other streaming club. [TS]
00:59:40 ◼ ► Client what it's like a but for the core purpose of recording video that's coming over my house [TS]
00:59:44 ◼ ► or the coaxial cable that I pay for it works. And so my vast preference is record Game of Thrones. On my Tivo. [TS]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Watch it on my Tivo. Yes I've H.B.O. GO Yes I have H.B.O. Now I have lovable blah. [TS]
00:59:57 ◼ ► You know and I know will work sit down in front of a turn and go down again out there on to play the video play. [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and going to keep me paying my whatever the heck it is huge bill for real live old fashioned cable service in till the [TS]
01:00:12 ◼ ► streaming people can get their acts together to the point where now I can start choosing things based on features [TS]
01:00:17 ◼ ► or pricing or something like that the Right now I'm choosing based on reliability. Yeah. I hear that. [TS]
01:00:22 ◼ ► I mean it sounds like we all sort of have our own unique needs. Jon apparently boils down to just freaking work. [TS]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Marco and I both felt like we needed two different manufacturers boxes in order to fix this problem and. [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► Neither of us feels completely satisfied with that fix. Yet all of us have multiple things like I have. [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I watch things from Netflix and I choose the Apple T.V. To be run out of client because no fan. [TS]
01:01:00 ◼ ► I watch things from streaming video I buy things from i Tunes like I do all of it. [TS]
01:01:04 ◼ ► Right but it's like when I have a choice sometimes you don't have a choice like when I have a choice to. [TS]
01:01:14 ◼ ► and on trying to T.V.'s building that decline sometimes I make the rounds until one of the works right sometimes my [TS]
01:01:19 ◼ ► kids want to watch a movie that I have. I bought an i Tunes. I haven't illegally downloaded file. [TS]
01:01:24 ◼ ► I have the blue right. I have the D.V.D. This is very common case there are movies where I have all those things right. [TS]
01:01:33 ◼ ► Is it important to make picture is moving on the television as fast as possible before the kid gets cranky. [TS]
01:01:38 ◼ ► Or is it for me is an important because of the family viewing that I'm going to take out the actual Blu ray disc [TS]
01:01:50 ◼ ► and they already watch I like to have a Blue Ray if I really care about the movie because that is the best quality. [TS]
01:02:05 ◼ ► and speed in which one is just going to work especially with like illegal downloads.. [TS]
01:02:09 ◼ ► Which thing will actually successfully places. Let's try to drag me from this analogy on my T.V. [TS]
01:02:14 ◼ ► Let's try it through the Playstation media Sarah let's try to pluck Let's try transporting it manually and like. [TS]
01:02:19 ◼ ► You know sometimes you just want to watch a movie. Well in this kind of part it is like I've hired almost nothing. [TS]
01:02:29 ◼ ► You can do you can totally buy into one of the existence of the you know whether it's the Apple ecosystem the Amazon [TS]
01:02:35 ◼ ► whatever. You can totally buy into it you can do everything right. The way most people do. And it still doesn't. [TS]
01:02:41 ◼ ► Work very well. It's worse because that's a monoculture you need biological diversity. Right that's doing. [TS]
01:02:52 ◼ ► Warnings at the front of it you'll be able you will have to fight through it seven layers of menus in [TS]
01:02:55 ◼ ► and downloading your job updates on your Blu ray player just to get in the movie like pirating is almost always better [TS]
01:03:05 ◼ ► or I don't like the the audio tracks that are included in this are they don't get the director's commentary there's [TS]
01:03:10 ◼ ► always trade offs but I would say overall illegal. Gives you a better experience like. [TS]
01:03:15 ◼ ► Again even for movies that I own the dysphoric sometimes. If I just want to watch the thing right now. [TS]
01:03:23 ◼ ► or the illegally downloaded version of it because I know I'll get to the movie part faster. Well that's. [TS]
01:03:30 ◼ ► I've been ripping on my Blu rays using Don Milton scripts because like I bought this L.G. [TS]
01:03:34 ◼ ► Blu ray Ripper and I have this next mini that's doing this for a live stream now and [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► I'm doing all that because I keep having these stupid errors of stuff I've actually bought on i Tunes. [TS]
01:03:52 ◼ ► After ten minutes of fiddling with stuff because of random Apple T.V. or C.D.N. or Service errors. [TS]
01:03:59 ◼ ► I want to just have it locally on the LAN and have it play. What used to work rate. But now home sharing sucks. [TS]
01:04:06 ◼ ► And like it's like everything sucks. Should never turned up jumbo frames Margot. Like I really like. I don't get. [TS]
01:04:15 ◼ ► It is so frustrating and the good thing is I think there is there is hope in sight. Right now. [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► There is kind of this this. Inconvenient. Hole in this NG The division of the market right now because you can't get. [TS]
01:04:30 ◼ ► Like all the big stuff in one box basically because the biggest offenders are that apple. The Apple T.V. [TS]
01:04:37 ◼ ► Is the problem a sickly that that Apple T.V. The only thing they can play i Tunes stuff. And the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:04:42 ◼ ► Can't for the most part can't do plex. And it can't play Amazon and video. If there is a future Apple T.V. [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► Maybe that is how Apple kind of finally quietly allow those things to happen on the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:04:57 ◼ ► Without having to partner with our mix they really probably wouldn't want to do. And without having to. [TS]
01:05:08 ◼ ► Like if they like but if they're just another Apple T.V. That has great hardware and. And that platform. [TS]
01:05:19 ◼ ► To build apps for it which they almost certainly would then that I think will be a really great box potentially. [TS]
01:05:28 ◼ ► And baby by then they will have fixed discovery Division I assume is probably what's causing the all the home sharing [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► I still feel like the I A speedy issue isn't resolved like the battle between the content providers [TS]
01:05:43 ◼ ► or Netflix or some combination and the I A species who just want to cut of everything [TS]
01:05:49 ◼ ► Netflix content comes from and charging like a whole new trail anything like that that need to sort out. [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► and is like nothing you can do about it because you'll do like a speed like you've got one hundred megabits down [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► He and even then a stall sometimes it's like why am I even paying for this service and. [TS]
01:06:22 ◼ ► Now deal that was part of the thank you note with the one part MacBook right. It's called an epic one now John. [TS]
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01:07:35 ◼ ► They are usually about half the price or less compared to something like like a like a July fusion [TS]
01:07:41 ◼ ► or zone like that which I would say. I would say the July fusion is the most direct. [TS]
01:07:45 ◼ ► The most the most equivalent rival in the market. Eight pack of Harry's blades. Is just fifteen bucks. [TS]
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01:09:15 ◼ ► So back to the H.B.O. Deal that came up in the last appliqueing no. Yeah. This is. Framed as an apple. [TS]
01:09:27 ◼ ► In the past they were a thing you had to buy as a premium addition to your cable bill. Then they had the H.B.O. GO. [TS]
01:09:34 ◼ ► Application which first you could only watch and I was devices and then eventually let you stream here television [TS]
01:09:39 ◼ ► but the important point was you couldn't do anything with that I was at all unless you had a cable subscription that [TS]
01:09:48 ◼ ► Frustrated people because they were like a might be Algis the future we the whole point of us watching your content on [TS]
01:09:54 ◼ ► our streaming of all you know people T.V. Puck thing. Or on our i Phone or on our i Pad. [TS]
01:09:59 ◼ ► Is that we don't want to pay for cable in fact we're cable gutters been don't want to pay for cable at all except [TS]
01:10:10 ◼ ► or You know that we watch it on their website or we watch things on You Tube or whatever. [TS]
01:10:13 ◼ ► Like divorce your service from the cable television is straight. And now finally at H.B.O. [TS]
01:10:19 ◼ ► Is ready to do that they're not ready to do it themselves because apparently their technology act is not together on [TS]
01:10:24 ◼ ► the whole H.B.O. Go front so they're outsourcing it I believe to the end all be the T.V. [TS]
01:10:27 ◼ ► People the people who do Major League Baseball television string which by all accounts despite the silly blackout [TS]
01:10:32 ◼ ► nonsense. The actual stream part of it works pretty well. So there are high hopes for this business if you pay them. [TS]
01:10:40 ◼ ► You don't need to have a cable subscription all you need to some device that can do this [TS]
01:10:44 ◼ ► and it is exclusive to Apple for how long like six months or three months or. I thought it was three. [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► But I've also heard that it's not really exclusive to Apple I didn't read up on this because I don't really watch [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► but I could swear I had read somewhere recently that it may or may not actually be exclusive. [TS]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and Apple did just drop the price on it's also a pocket thing. So for sixty nine dollars. [TS]
01:11:13 ◼ ► Cord cutters can buy a talk and fifteen dollars a month. They can watch Game of Thrones they can watch it in theory. [TS]
01:11:19 ◼ ► Whenever they want without a cable subscription without. Barring some borrowing quote unquote someone's H.B.O. [TS]
01:11:36 ◼ ► According to Apple only way is on their particular thing but that will expire and very soon I'm sure H.B.O. [TS]
01:11:40 ◼ ► Now will be available everywhere and it's a guy who always all wanted out of H.B.O. [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► Holding the line and old media going towards like what Mark was an eventual given Tendulkar platform. [TS]
01:11:54 ◼ ► Kind of like we have an i OS today was a series of applications that you can use to watch you know N.B.A. or An L.B.O. [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► or Maybe. I don't know if N.F.L. Is out there all these three letter acronyms for sport things and none of us watch. [TS]
01:12:06 ◼ ► I do. Yeah. Do they have an i Phone app you can I mean I mean they do. But it only is useful if you get N.F.L.. [TS]
01:12:13 ◼ ► Sunday Ticket which you can. Only get if your Direct T.V. Subscriber or live in like the U.K. [TS]
01:12:21 ◼ ► but trying to slowly divorce themselves like that I shouldn't have to pay for cable television [TS]
01:12:31 ◼ ► Still you know it's not the shows you are still buying the channels you want right you're buying H.B.O. [TS]
01:12:36 ◼ ► You're not buying Game of Thrones. People would rather just be able to Game of Thrones. [TS]
01:12:40 ◼ ► About buying the season and i Tunes after it's already aired over and over or the day after it aired like. [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and then you get a digital version of the television show much later and then you get the next day. [TS]
01:12:55 ◼ ► and now you're going to be able to watch of the same time as the people who subscribe to H.B.O. [TS]
01:12:58 ◼ ► Again in theory because if their service crush. Are crushed under the weight of all the. The evil trying to do that. [TS]
01:13:04 ◼ ► I know my Tivo over Court and I'll be able to watch it in real time. That's a great thing about H.B.O. [TS]
01:13:09 ◼ ► No commercials you know how to. You know you can watch in real time because you know the way the commercials to cue up. [TS]
01:13:17 ◼ ► but They're trying to get to the future and I feel like if people go out and get the sixty nine dollars Talk. [TS]
01:13:24 ◼ ► So they can watch it and pay This is Gretchen dates B.S. They can watch a game of thrones finally in. [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► and They plug in the pocket to turn it on they're all excited to watch and they got their popcorn [TS]
01:13:44 ◼ ► Comes out to ninety nine dollars they're not going to be enthused about buying that. It is. [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► So easy to sour and normal person not a geek but like a semi normal person on the experience of T.V. [TS]
01:13:54 ◼ ► Connected talks by just having a not work once. And I'm going. You know what I don't like paying for cable. [TS]
01:13:59 ◼ ► I didn't like paying extra on top of cable for H.B.O. but At least I can watch my show when I want to watch my show. [TS]
01:14:04 ◼ ► I have nothing to have agree with you completely I mean I think you know that they fought for three sponsors this week. [TS]
01:14:12 ◼ ► Writers T.V. Squarespace and Harrys and we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]
01:14:21 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. It was accidental. John C. [TS]
01:14:59 ◼ ► and team article says that risky is the stories they caught while watching the stories. Well. [TS]
01:15:29 ◼ ► And we told you to save it for the after show about how you're falling out of love with Twitter which is funny because [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► but I have been having similar feelings about what is really. It's Twitter really doing anything positive for me. [TS]
01:15:48 ◼ ► Or is it just making me angry all the time like the thing that I quoted to you guys before I put on the show was my you [TS]
01:15:55 ◼ ► look up an avid any of you recognize the quote I was referencing when market first talked about this you know. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► This is this is an older quote is from seventeen seventy seven I don't know if you guys remember back that far. [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► You know. We're not as old as you John it seems Samuel Johnson and the the. Well known part of it is already the thing. [TS]
01:16:16 ◼ ► No sir when a man is tired of London he is tired of life for there is in London all that life can afford and. [TS]
01:16:27 ◼ ► That is attire something in that I think at this point Twitter offers. All that life can afford more or less. [TS]
01:16:34 ◼ ► Is it is exposure Jews lots of people which can happen anywhere on the Internet whether it be in a usenet group where [TS]
01:16:41 ◼ ► the exact same toxic things that Mark was going to discuss I'm sure. Haven't you know. Could happen and did happen.. [TS]
01:16:47 ◼ ► Or it could be R.C. Or it could be web forums are Web old inboard that rare all L.O.L. [TS]
01:16:53 ◼ ► Chat room newsgroup thing that and I was ever an A.O.L. One of those things are called like. [TS]
01:17:00 ◼ ► The problem is and in fact Twitter folly better than most in the way that it handles their social interactions [TS]
01:17:05 ◼ ► and limiting people and having a symmetrical fall and everything is you know. Being tired of life. [TS]
01:17:13 ◼ ► or anything I'm saying like that we should put the blame where it lies which is like you know other people suck. [TS]
01:17:21 ◼ ► How how are you current feeling like I'm gonna put a video game turns like how how are your shields. [TS]
01:17:31 ◼ ► Are you feeling strong do you feel like it's wearing you down doing something negative [TS]
01:17:34 ◼ ► and disengaging is the way you deal with that like if your shields are going down you get bombarded from all sides. [TS]
01:17:40 ◼ ► You know you go elsewhere you pull your ship back you hide behind a rock and let your ships regenerate [TS]
01:17:47 ◼ ► but like treat it like the Halo thing that so you know you can step back for a minute new recharger things are right [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► Twitter specifically it could really could be anything it could be blog comments of your comments on your blog on the [TS]
01:18:00 ◼ ► way to fix that might be to turn off comments could be people sending you hateful e-mails like there are many vectors [TS]
01:18:21 ◼ ► I don't think it's specific to Twitter or any one thing and I don't think shifting you're used to like app dot net [TS]
01:18:30 ◼ ► or Direct nothing is going to solve that problem that is not a technology problem is just a like a thing that you have [TS]
01:18:38 ◼ ► and you have to do whatever you need to do to make yourself. You know. Be Happier essentially. [TS]
01:18:48 ◼ ► It's not the problem I have with Twitter the problem having is partly my fault. It is partly that. [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► and I've talked about before like struggles with trying to keep my tour usage under control so it's not just constantly [TS]
01:19:05 ◼ ► sucking away. Little bits of time throughout the day and just the in this massive time suck and distraction suck. [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► Which which hurts my part to the end when I see my report from Rescue Time. Every week and it's how I spend X. [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► Hours in Twitter. I don't feel good about that. So that's part of the problem. And I've always had that problem. [TS]
01:19:27 ◼ ► You know only using it on my phone or only using it notification center or. You know. [TS]
01:19:38 ◼ ► but they mostly just kind of move the problem around they don't really tend to reduce the problem meaningfully. [TS]
01:19:44 ◼ ► The problem there is just me that I want to keep in gauging and interacting with Twitter. [TS]
01:19:52 ◼ ► If you were I would say that's one thing you could definitely see another problem that I have is that I'm not keeping [TS]
01:19:59 ◼ ► up because so much is going on on Twitter. I'm missing what my friends are saying. [TS]
01:20:08 ◼ ► I don't follow about about a third of the people I was following like I went through [TS]
01:20:15 ◼ ► but I had that's a little too much work for me so I'm not going to do much of it but. [TS]
01:20:21 ◼ ► But the problem is that all of my friends. For the most part are talking to each other on Twitter. [TS]
01:20:28 ◼ ► And if I want to keep up with what my friends are doing or talking about or what's going on in the world. [TS]
01:20:33 ◼ ► I am to be reading that right now. I'm already. Not reading most of it because I'm not a completionist. [TS]
01:20:40 ◼ ► I can't keep up so I'm already not reading it but I'm missing all that at the same time. [TS]
01:20:44 ◼ ► If I want to talk to my friends. In that context if I want to be part of the conversation. Where in public. [TS]
01:20:52 ◼ ► And so what I what I need. What I'm looking for is some separation. You know in public it. [TS]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Somebody had forget who some somebody about a year ago I heard talk of there they were comparing like having a [TS]
01:21:11 ◼ ► And there's tons of people walking by on the sidewalk and they yell you like responses. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► You weren't part of the conversation. And they're like yelling butting in like you're Did they like what do you like. [TS]
01:21:23 ◼ ► but that's one of the strengths of her as well because if it was only happening in private fewer people would benefit [TS]
01:21:31 ◼ ► Groups of people can sort of organically form who like discussing a particular topic [TS]
01:21:39 ◼ ► Partially because you want some of the public to see it for you don't want to people going by your parts [TS]
01:21:43 ◼ ► and yelling at you while you're doing your thing but you do want to say maybe this interested guy who you met once [TS]
01:21:48 ◼ ► or twice will hear conversation joining kind of like at a party right like so the public major Twitter is both a [TS]
01:21:53 ◼ ► strength and weakness. And how it plays out really depends on how many people are walking by your part so to speak. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► And I agree that that you know that is an important strength of Twitter. What I like that that exists. [TS]
01:22:12 ◼ ► My friends interact with each other and that I need to interact with my friends like. We are always in public. [TS]
01:22:19 ◼ ► And I think it should be the opposite I think. I think we should interact in public sometimes and. Most of the time. [TS]
01:22:25 ◼ ► It would be more pleasant. If it was private. And so there's you know different ways to do that there's you know. [TS]
01:22:37 ◼ ► I think I'd rather spend more time looking into still fight that these days because it is it is so exhausting. [TS]
01:22:49 ◼ ► but most Postgres people on Twitter are not as nice as the attendees of will. And it's a much bigger crowd on Twitter. [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► You know imagine going to a conference where you have you know tens of thousands of people all around you [TS]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and so you're going to get a lot of good stuff that you going to meet a lot of good people. [TS]
01:23:17 ◼ ► We're also going to get a lot of jerks in specially if it's free to enter to enter and nobody knows your name [TS]
01:23:31 ◼ ► when you're really just trying to have like everyday interactions with mostly just your friends. And you're welcome. [TS]
01:23:37 ◼ ► Like. It's like always being a conference. So there is value in being in a conference sometimes. [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► But there is also like. There's a certain level of certain threshold of like sanity where like. You can't be. [TS]
01:23:51 ◼ ► Publicly performing all the time and have that be mentally healthy at least I can't. [TS]
01:24:06 ◼ ► when people complain about quote Twitter is they're complaining about the group they're following to pay attention to. [TS]
01:24:12 ◼ ► I I'm aware that social networks are what you make of them with what you choose to follow. [TS]
01:24:17 ◼ ► However Internet really Twitter. They are not what you make of them as. In terms of who talks to you. [TS]
01:24:33 ◼ ► but you know you can you can do stuff like that to try to minimize what you get but for the most part. [TS]
01:24:37 ◼ ► Once you have a non-trivial sized audience. You're going to have random jerks talking all the time. [TS]
01:24:43 ◼ ► And in a jerky way and. No matter how much good is interspersed throughout that. It's really exhausting. [TS]
01:24:50 ◼ ► Well the problem is that the cost of entry to affecting somebody else's day. Is almost zero. [TS]
01:24:58 ◼ ► Because you can fire off this hundred forty character or less message to darn near anyone you want. And that's free. [TS]
01:25:08 ◼ ► And it takes almost no time and. Just like you were saying John that's one of the strengths of Twitter is that it's. [TS]
01:25:19 ◼ ► Then you can have access to almost anyone on the planet if you so desire. Like celebrities. [TS]
01:25:29 ◼ ► but the problem with that is all of these people also have access to you and the thing that I've been struggling with. [TS]
01:25:38 ◼ ► I feel like maybe I'm just becoming more sensitive I thought of becoming I didn't becoming less sensitive [TS]
01:25:45 ◼ ► but I feel like I'm seeing more and more negative or not constructive comments coming my way that bother me. [TS]
01:25:58 ◼ ► Bother you you idiot but it's hard I'm not good at just putting up that wall so like for example. [TS]
01:26:04 ◼ ► I had put up a post about Apple Pay and about how I thought it was crummy that when my card had expired. D. [TS]
01:26:12 ◼ ► Card didn't update which I've since found out a. It is theoretically capable of doing if the bank handles it right. [TS]
01:26:22 ◼ ► Version of the credit card that had expired just that denied. So I wrote a post about that Will somebody tweeted. [TS]
01:26:29 ◼ ► Apple Pay messaging. At Casey last You're being ridiculous keep track of your cards. [TS]
01:26:38 ◼ ► But did you also learn about the fact that your bank if your bank could handle it correctly that it wouldn't happen to [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► but I also eventually heard about it on Twitter is a blessing in the curse like you will a made it with any kind of [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Many people will tell us which I like I like the fact that you know that's an advantage of having an audience. [TS]
01:27:08 ◼ ► That's the price you pay for having a bunch of people tell you like solve your problems for you know I'm not a lot of [TS]
01:27:13 ◼ ► people like a lot of people who only see the upside would love to do that they like you know boy it must be good to [TS]
01:27:18 ◼ ► have a popular tech products as because you can say hey I'm having trouble getting my Who's it working with my whatever. [TS]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and like some percentage of those people be right and you will you'll have yourself Robin Wright. [TS]
01:27:31 ◼ ► But then some percent of people will be jerks like when I had my jumbo frame issue. [TS]
01:27:38 ◼ ► If I had asked on Twitter and gotten hundreds of responses of what it might be. And like two of them said jumbo frames. [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► And they were that was that of being right. I am so lucky to have such a big audience on Twitter that I can. [TS]
01:27:54 ◼ ► I'm so lucky that I have a big enough audience that I can launch products and write blog post to get attention. [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► That's the problem that's why I would feel like a jerk just walking away from this. Both both. I would feel ungrateful. [TS]
01:28:15 ◼ ► And also I would feel like I was throwing away a giant professional advantage. So I feel like I can't leave Twitter. [TS]
01:28:23 ◼ ► Yeah. But. But that's why I need to find a better balance. But yeah that's a skill. [TS]
01:28:29 ◼ ► Like like anything else is a skill you have to develop it's like you know. I had none of us. [TS]
01:28:33 ◼ ► Experience with us because you imagine running a huge company being being the C.E.O. [TS]
01:28:37 ◼ ► Of a company with thousands of employees like that is not usually a natural thing that most people used to like you [TS]
01:28:43 ◼ ► know used to just dealing with yourself when you're a kid and you learn to gain responsibility [TS]
01:28:58 ◼ ► or Running a large company like you just have to figure out right and you have to you know research them [TS]
01:29:04 ◼ ► and learn them and some people are just not cut out for any goal never be a good C.E.O. [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► or A good manager of a lot of you because it's just not how they work right so if suddenly you get an audience [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► and you have to deal with notoriety and fame and a lot of input from other people. [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► You have to either learn to deal with that are learning what your limits are learn that I don't want to be the C.E.O. [TS]
01:29:23 ◼ ► Of a big company because no matter how good I could possibly get out of doing so doesn't make me happy how big are you [TS]
01:29:28 ◼ ► but you know you see a lot with actual celebrities who get big because of some talent they have they're in it there in [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► a hit movie they're a great singer that hit song or something and very often the prerequisites to get that fame. [TS]
01:29:44 ◼ ► Being in the right place of the right time some combination of things are totally unrelated to the ability to deal with [TS]
01:29:52 ◼ ► You know the ones that stick the ones that stay are like yes they're really talented [TS]
01:30:01 ◼ ► In the face of what must be you know the insane onslaught of like real fame right. [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► Other people have the talent get the notoriety and very clearly can't deal with the onslaught of Real same [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► and have tragic terrible lives. We are lucky that in our tiny little dose of notoriety here. [TS]
01:30:21 ◼ ► Go on a bender and drive his test lawful cliff or something like You know it's it's just but. [TS]
01:30:27 ◼ ► But I think that's why I think our problem is more relatable because I think everybody has a. [TS]
01:30:32 ◼ ► You know even if it's just like someone said something mean on your Facebook post. [TS]
01:30:36 ◼ ► You know who was like an acquaintance or someone you knew in high school and that ruins your day. [TS]
01:30:40 ◼ ► That's pretty much a level we're talking about here it's not like we're getting bombarded with thousands of people [TS]
01:30:45 ◼ ► It but it doesn't take much it just takes one person making one main comment to make the make you think like [TS]
01:30:53 ◼ ► or even strangers perhaps telling you mean things about yourself maybe that's not something that happens in your [TS]
01:30:57 ◼ ► regular life but suddenly it happens in the Internet because they have access to you [TS]
01:31:00 ◼ ► and everyone I think like added to the complaint we get when we talk about it's like [TS]
01:31:03 ◼ ► when you start talking about your problems of like oh you have a lot of two of our lives I think everybody if you have [TS]
01:31:07 ◼ ► one Twitter for all of you have ten people who read your face. Everybody has this problem. [TS]
01:31:11 ◼ ► At pretty much exactly the same scale we do. Because what we're talking about here is. [TS]
01:31:22 ◼ ► You know it's not we're not that big and I think our handful. Is within an order of magnitude of your handful. [TS]
01:31:27 ◼ ► And is really the same type of scope of problem I think everybody who has any interaction any social media [TS]
01:31:44 ◼ ► or am I going to pretend I'm going a thicker skin really I'm just internalizing it all in all [TS]
01:31:50 ◼ ► and I like snap at my children I realize I'm snapping at them because someone said something mean to me on my Facebook [TS]
01:31:58 ◼ ► That that I couldn't agree more that's exactly how I feel that I'm trying to just fabricate a thicker skin. [TS]
01:32:04 ◼ ► But I don't think I've actually built a thicker skin yet. And it's hard. It's a hard thing to deal with. It's weird. [TS]
01:32:12 ◼ ► And I think a an ecstasy said a couple things in the chap that I thought were great. [TS]
01:32:19 ◼ ► And I think that's a really good way of putting it that that I see this comment like oh don't be ridiculous keep track [TS]
01:32:29 ◼ ► Showed it no I should be big enough to realize is some stranger that. I'm never going to interact with and. [TS]
01:32:39 ◼ ► and that then the thing I'm struggling with again coming back to next to see is in his [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► or her case I wall so say the older I get the less tolerance of energy sucking people I become I put up with a lot more [TS]
01:32:48 ◼ ► crap at eighteen than I do at forty eight. And I feel like even in the last couple of years I've gained something and. [TS]
01:32:55 ◼ ► I can't say notoriety because I was corrected once that it's not notoriety it's fame for us because we didn't do bad [TS]
01:33:04 ◼ ► I'm finding that I have less and less tolerance in time for the that kind of energy sock. [TS]
01:33:10 ◼ ► And I've noticed kind of building on what Marco it said that I'm getting much more aggressive with. [TS]
01:33:17 ◼ ► The block button and and. And those sorts of things. Then I ever have been in the past and granted. [TS]
01:33:26 ◼ ► I'm you know just freshly thirty three. Been so it's not that I'm getting to old age but even as I'm getting older. [TS]
01:33:43 ◼ ► Is it really worth me getting upset over these random strangers on the Internet and. [TS]
01:33:48 ◼ ► I feel like I'm getting more and more upset over time and in fact. At the end of last year in December. [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► I kept track every single day of what Twitter was pissed off about. Because I felt like every day. [TS]
01:34:08 ◼ ► There was some unbelievable travesty that Twitter was all fired up about every single day now that oftentimes I didn't [TS]
01:34:22 ◼ ► and the reason I kept track of this because I ended tended to post a blog post about it. As it turns out. [TS]
01:34:30 ◼ ► Right around the time that the right I just midway through the month. Somebody I want to see it maybe it was time. [TS]
01:34:53 ◼ ► Like Marco I'm trying to evaluate where. Does that fit in my life. Because I don't want to eliminate it entirely. [TS]
01:35:02 ◼ ► But I think I'm giving it much more time and too many thought cycles. And I need to back it off a bit but I'm not sure. [TS]
01:35:10 ◼ ► The right way to do it and like Marco. I'm a freakin addict which is not to I don't say that with pride. [TS]
01:35:16 ◼ ► I wish I was less so but it is it is unbelievably thrilling to get responses from people that you respect. [TS]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Or even strangers that have good information like the big frames that friends whatever you call it seems come a fat. [TS]
01:35:35 ◼ ► Frame. Fine See now I'm totally to rails myself. But. But you know one way or another. [TS]
01:35:44 ◼ ► but there's also so much bad I can't figure out is the bad outweighing the good these days for me anyway. [TS]
01:35:50 ◼ ► What Margo is doing like he's doing all the all the logical things that you would think to do trim your fall as you [TS]
01:35:58 ◼ ► when you do it don't be a completionist like he's going through he's going down the punch list of things you can do to [TS]
01:36:03 ◼ ► manage this. On some are on the punch list for certain people maybe think your way out of it. [TS]
01:36:08 ◼ ► Most people that doesn't work like a little bit Katie It sounds like you're trying to think your way out of it like [TS]
01:36:13 ◼ ► should I be upset intellectually can I can I rationally think about that I shouldn't be bothered by with strangers that [TS]
01:36:39 ◼ ► And caring to follow us I think is probably the first thing you should be as you said like you know what is Twitter [TS]
01:36:43 ◼ ► upset about today as Mark pointed out Twitter is who you follow like What is Twitter upset about you have no idea what [TS]
01:36:49 ◼ ► terrorism said about Twitter as an aggregate is probably talking about Justin Bieber. [TS]
01:36:54 ◼ ► Your Twitter is upset about some apple thing that nobody knows about except you know so. [TS]
01:37:03 ◼ ► and Twitter can be painful to on follow people who you know you may agree with them [TS]
01:37:07 ◼ ► and you maybe it is part of the reason you would involve them like their outrage about Issue X. [TS]
01:37:13 ◼ ► and You are also outrage an outrage of the negative feeling so you're on following them not because they're posting [TS]
01:37:19 ◼ ► things you disagree with but because they're prosecuting you agree with your like now I too am outraged. [TS]
01:37:26 ◼ ► Therefore I'm going to on follow you like you're not I'm following people because their their pinions are the opposite [TS]
01:37:43 ◼ ► and a lot of it comes from from the blog world to which is that with Twitter there's a very very you know. [TS]
01:37:50 ◼ ► It is who you follow that's like you know what you see in your timeline but there's still the big problem with. [TS]
01:37:59 ◼ ► and you know a few weeks ago I mentioned how you know I I feel more comfortable saying things in pod casts that I do. [TS]
01:38:08 ◼ ► On the on my blog things that might be controversial it might get people to call me a jerk or whatever. [TS]
01:38:19 ◼ ► and on Twitter it's really really easy to get drive by rash reactions from people and. So when. [TS]
01:38:26 ◼ ► And this is you know that anger that you see that you see like bubbling up on Twitter that's directed at something [TS]
01:38:31 ◼ ► that's a mood. It's this drive by mood where someone sees a few words or headline. They disagree with. [TS]
01:38:44 ◼ ► Whatever they think those people are like or whatever and and. They just lash out and yell immediately. They. [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► They don't look at context. They don't know that people are talking to they. It's just a quick. You know. [TS]
01:39:00 ◼ ► Because pod cast are so undiscoverable fundamentally by the. By the format mostly. [TS]
01:39:17 ◼ ► You know with the exception of minor improvements here and there but with pod cast like most people who are hearing. [TS]
01:39:24 ◼ ► What I'm saying right now. Our subscriber to the show and who here on a regular basis. Who hear the three of us. [TS]
01:39:31 ◼ ► Talking for a couple hours every week. And who have probably heard us for a couple hours every week for a long time. [TS]
01:39:52 ◼ ► The context in which we are saying the things we say in which we think the things we think you know. [TS]
01:39:58 ◼ ► You probably give us the benefit of the doubt because you know who we actually are. [TS]
01:40:03 ◼ ► And so there are I think there are way fewer of those drive by nasty interactions. [TS]
01:40:09 ◼ ► For things you say on pod casts than there are for things you say on Twitter on blog posts. [TS]
01:40:14 ◼ ► And for me and the result is pod cast audiences tend to be much smaller than popular blogs popular. You know. Tweets. [TS]
01:40:25 ◼ ► Accounts or whatever. You Tube channels that are a little more accessible to this kind of drive by ness. [TS]
01:40:29 ◼ ► Like podcast audiences are way smaller. But I can't so much less nastiness per capita in pod cast. Than I do. [TS]
01:40:41 ◼ ► and I'll say things on here that are potentially way riskier to say than I would ever say on my blog. And yet. [TS]
01:40:51 ◼ ► It's just too much work to listen to Obama anyone ever ever someone starts retreating you're treated around you'll get [TS]
01:40:59 ◼ ► but it is just so much work so I got to download a baby audial file and then listen to audio [TS]
01:41:03 ◼ ► and they don't know overcast exists so that on no I don't know podcast finds there's that on they can listen faster AND [TS]
01:41:08 ◼ ► IT'S LIKE WHERE IS THE PART WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THIS HOUR never mind where anyone can read a tweet to second to get [TS]
01:41:21 ◼ ► See it whatever like you're just going to drive by's for for half a year just because of that one thing. [TS]
01:41:26 ◼ ► Right I mean here. Here's like. I would love. I would absolutely love. If Twitter had a setting. [TS]
01:41:33 ◼ ► That would not show me mentions from people who didn't follow me for more than the past week. Think about that. [TS]
01:41:43 ◼ ► but that does actually get into the doesn't actually get into the realm of features that would only benefit the people [TS]
01:41:49 ◼ ► who have a larger than normal number of followers but they are you have those features. [TS]
01:41:54 ◼ ► Verified accounts have a setting where you can only see positive people from people you follow. [TS]
01:41:59 ◼ ► Right now the and that's too aggressive Yeah like because then. Then you can hear from strangers. [TS]
01:42:03 ◼ ► Right so that's that's too extreme but if you look at the trash that you get. If you look at the nastiness. [TS]
01:42:11 ◼ ► The nasty comments from people on Twitter. The vast majority of them for me. Are from people who don't follow me. [TS]
01:42:17 ◼ ► Because they saw summary tweet somewhere or something then they're like God they lash out and they yell [TS]
01:42:23 ◼ ► and they're going to talking to the whole thing like you know what we don't usually get the eggs that we just get we [TS]
01:42:27 ◼ ► get to drive by the people who have established Twitter accounts and I just talk with their [TS]
01:42:30 ◼ ► and their circle me talk in our circle in our sort of don't interact with some little thing from our circle lands over [TS]
01:42:40 ◼ ► Like they most of them all to make it their mission in life to make your life miserable. [TS]
01:42:44 ◼ ► Like it's not my one of them they have the video of like the woman being catcalled on the street. [TS]
01:42:48 ◼ ► And I made one or two tweets about it and they somehow came. Leaked out of our circle because some right wing. [TS]
01:42:59 ◼ ► and months of random fairly aggressive hate. From just from people who are totally outside. [TS]
01:43:11 ◼ ► or like I'm just a person did you know I mean like. And it's just that was miserable. It was like I think I said. [TS]
01:43:17 ◼ ► I tweeted about. It was like you know. Five mil a sucky is eons worth of of hate right. [TS]
01:43:27 ◼ ► I mean I deal with things in a different way probably than than you do but like it was. It was miserable and. [TS]
01:43:35 ◼ ► And it was like a rainstorm it doesn't end like you know I don't know what your see N.B.C. Story you know Apple. [TS]
01:43:47 ◼ ► But I'm hoping they're not as hate filled as as the things I was getting for this thing and. At the very least. [TS]
01:43:53 ◼ ► Anyone is going to be angry about functional highground probably cares about Apple. Right. [TS]
01:43:57 ◼ ► And so if they're somewhere in your circle in that respect you may not get rid of them but just get. [TS]
01:44:01 ◼ ► When I was getting the random hate from strangers. It helped that I knew these people didn't know anything about me. [TS]
01:44:08 ◼ ► It helped that I knew that I was never going to see these people on Twitter again. [TS]
01:44:17 ◼ ► Unlike your functional highground things because you're just you're like cultivating the worst of your actual audience [TS]
01:44:23 ◼ ► like people who care a lot about Apple or any real anger about you for saying stuff about Apple. [TS]
01:44:27 ◼ ► Like the you know if you say something wrong I was but I'm saying is I was able to deal with it by saying [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► but by thinking to myself. I'm never going to see any of these people to me again. [TS]
01:44:37 ◼ ► It's probably not even worth my time to block them. Because like. If I just simply don't engage one of them. [TS]
01:44:43 ◼ ► They'll get it out of their system. They don't know who I am. You know and it just it and it will blow over. [TS]
01:44:49 ◼ ► In two to three months. And it did more last I haven't got one of those in a long time. [TS]
01:44:59 ◼ ► Having to deal with that one to three months like going off Twitter would be another way to deal with that one. [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► I just say I'm going to come back from Twitter into three months when this is blown over. Right. [TS]
01:45:15 ◼ ► Like and again I would say again this is not a thing oh poor you got too many followers. Anybody's tweet. [TS]
01:45:20 ◼ ► It's not because I have a lot of followers. Anybody's tweet. Can be pulled out and put into the right place. [TS]
01:45:30 ◼ ► That has an organized presidents that disagrees with whatever it is that you are passionate about that can happen to [TS]
01:45:42 ◼ ► They were going to get the same exact volume of hate mail that I was going to get because nobody who's sending hate [TS]
01:45:55 ◼ ► It could happen to anybody that's the beauty of the Internet. You know if the Huffington Post. [TS]
01:46:01 ◼ ► Grabs your tweet and puts it up and you get you could get angry hate filled e-mail from people for months. [TS]
01:46:06 ◼ ► And you could have ten followers. Like this just. That is the beauty and curse of our age I guess. [TS]
01:46:22 ◼ ► and I think what Casey was talking away for of like not lying to yourself about what your limits are not thinking [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► Therefore I will continue to do the thing that I know bothers me because I intellectually believe that it shouldn't [TS]
01:46:38 ◼ ► and failing at just like Casey's like I've been I've been feeling miserably at that for years now and like that [TS]
01:46:45 ◼ ► and I mean I think. I think for me feels when solution is going to be reducing how much I used Twitter. [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► Because Twitter is not going to change Twitter is as a medium like that setting I just said you know they're not no [TS]
01:46:57 ◼ ► client is ever going to add that really like. They probably don't even allowed to anymore. [TS]
01:47:02 ◼ ► Like what the new Twitter rules of the road. Would have to be a Twitter service things like you know. [TS]
01:47:07 ◼ ► Do the type of features that Twitter as a service can do and maybe they could think about that [TS]
01:47:12 ◼ ► but the fact that verified is still this rare thing that not everybody can get shows they really have no idea what the [TS]
01:47:19 ◼ ► Exactly and it just seems like the leadership of Twitter has no interest from a product direction perspective. [TS]
01:47:27 ◼ ► In doing much about these principles and sometimes some of them are not problems that Twitter really can solve. [TS]
01:47:35 ◼ ► and I recognize that So for me this is why I really like the direction I'm going to really try to go now is just taking [TS]
01:47:49 ◼ ► Because I being in public for everything I do is just not working. It's just not. Yeah it's funny because as. [TS]
01:48:03 ◼ ► I've been a part of the relay Af-Am slack channel and That. Has a really awesome group of people in it. [TS]
01:48:17 ◼ ► I'm getting more positive experiences from that in fact they're pretty much universally positive. [TS]
01:48:27 ◼ ► A lot of times I'll just share with my my close friends on the relay chat or slack. Because I know. Reliably. [TS]
01:48:35 ◼ ► That they will understand where I'm coming from get my intention and get what I'm trying to say. Even if or. [TS]
01:48:42 ◼ ► You know maybe I'm just whining about so. The only secretly you write in I'm OK with that. [TS]
01:48:47 ◼ ► I'm OK with them secretly hating me because this way I don't have to know that they but all kidding aside I wonder if. [TS]
01:48:55 ◼ ► If I sway. Let's say the pendulum swings just all the way over to the real A.F.M. Slack and. [TS]
01:49:13 ◼ ► and all mishearing about his hearing about as hearing things from people that I don't know because genuinely as much as [TS]
01:49:20 ◼ ► we're complaining and men moaning or sharing if nothing else. Our experiences with Twitter. [TS]
01:49:26 ◼ ► and I can't agree more that some unbelievably wonderful wonderful things happen on Twitter with random people. [TS]
01:49:36 ◼ ► And some of the some people have sent hundred forty character messages to me that are just heart crushingly awesome in [TS]
01:49:50 ◼ ► and I'm not saying either of you are saying it either but I worry that if I get into this echo chamber in the slack. [TS]
01:49:56 ◼ ► That maybe I'll miss out on some of the contrarian opinions that if I'm honest I'm probably not getting on Twitter [TS]
01:50:09 ◼ ► I think right now we've in the last few years that the rise of all the social stuff and mobiles the. [TS]
01:50:14 ◼ ► I think we got a little too far in the everything is public on social networks direction. [TS]
01:50:21 ◼ ► And now I think we're going to start swinging back a little bit hopefully on a pendulum. [TS]
01:50:37 ◼ ► Now there's a gap in the model lineup so to speak I'm back to the a MacBook type analogy where you EVER we all have [TS]
01:50:50 ◼ ► Is that that is a public thing over there on Twitter right. And then the in between thing is this. [TS]
01:50:55 ◼ ► And I think there's a reason the imagery thing is a big gap to get things like slacker glass board [TS]
01:50:59 ◼ ► or like a small group of people are going to I receive channel a small group of people who are who know each other that [TS]
01:51:05 ◼ ► because you don't want to talk one on one with all your individual friends you do on a place that's in between with you [TS]
01:51:09 ◼ ► want to talk one on one you're just send people text messages or instant message like. [TS]
01:51:13 ◼ ► That's fine a solved problem but sometimes you want to talk to two or three or four be in a room [TS]
01:51:20 ◼ ► But it's still not public the difference gene. You know. Even if you were talking to everybody W.C. [TS]
01:51:25 ◼ ► That's only a few thousand people. It's not the entire world of. You know whatever to seven billion. [TS]
01:51:33 ◼ ► and I think one of the reasons that gap is there is we used to have before we had the big public things. [TS]
01:51:38 ◼ ► All we had where the little places we had private. Which would be like one to one email or instant message. [TS]
01:51:47 ◼ ► Isolated by obscurity like a bunch of people on you know the global gross Island where you have the full measure [TS]
01:51:51 ◼ ► ecosystem or be like one Usenet group up in a corner. That with like two hundred regulars. [TS]
01:52:03 ◼ ► and it's you know it's like you're hiding on your little island till the book show up right. [TS]
01:52:07 ◼ ► And you even things like slack or whatever you end up with these little islands and I remember those days [TS]
01:52:15 ◼ ► Here's where I go to talk about people at Star Wars here's where I go to Talk Talk to people about computer stuff here [TS]
01:52:22 ◼ ► and was like they were these little private islands at the scale the market was looking for [TS]
01:52:26 ◼ ► but you ended up with fifty of them you're like geez I don't like having to go to all the different protocols all these [TS]
01:52:30 ◼ ► different places and sometimes I want to cross-pollinate and I got a check. You know five different places for it. [TS]
01:52:38 ◼ ► Those little places die out or those little places sort of metastasize and become Twitter essentially like. [TS]
01:52:44 ◼ ► That is the life cycle of those places. Things of that scale in their. Just like fizzle. [TS]
01:52:51 ◼ ► or become like this too many of that you can't go to all the ones like the reason you are going back to APT not net [TS]
01:52:55 ◼ ► even those like seven people there we know it just doesn't have critical mass or. They grow. [TS]
01:53:00 ◼ ► But they starts like well why doesn't everybody on usenet now why isn't everybody on a well it's a message from what [TS]
01:53:06 ◼ ► Why isn't everybody in a slack room the some people I wish when it's like them who weren't but the people us [TS]
01:53:10 ◼ ► when those like him are different the set of people the other person thinks are in it which is [TS]
01:53:12 ◼ ► when a black woman eventually everybody you fall into one of those Akron you just recreated twitterings I just lack [TS]
01:53:22 ◼ ► It's I think it's very difficult things to live in the middle part because they always move in one direction [TS]
01:53:31 ◼ ► and less you have a very narrow focus I think people find that faces of Facebook even the Facebook is basically public. [TS]
01:53:39 ◼ ► And because they have one axis they just want to talk to their family and friends. [TS]
01:53:44 ◼ ► but it's not like it's problem of you know want to say where the people I talk about fixing up my car. [TS]
01:53:50 ◼ ► Where the people on talk about metalworking where the people I want to talk about the sports team where the people on a [TS]
01:53:54 ◼ ► talk about sports team and then you end up with these little islands again if you try to do it all at once [TS]
01:53:59 ◼ ► It is a difficult balance talking to all these people who you don't you never see who live all over the world. [TS]
01:54:07 ◼ ► I couldn't agree with you more and the funny thing is I have now dedicated one of the spaces on my work machine. To be. [TS]
01:54:14 ◼ ► My like communication pain and accepting Twitter. I have Slack. I have in like the upper left hand corner I have I.R.C. [TS]
01:54:26 ◼ ► I am in the in the lower right hand corner and I have hip chat for work in the lower left hand corner. [TS]
01:54:32 ◼ ► So I have four panes on the screen at once that are the four different places that I know that I have real time [TS]
01:54:38 ◼ ► communication. And then on top of that is Twitter and on top of that is email and. [TS]
01:54:43 ◼ ► I already am feeling a bit of exhaustion but I'd much rather have. Tiredness. Then the sadness that. [TS]
01:54:57 ◼ ► and Usenet right so you're a little bit I remember I remember Baghlan days where most of my communities of this size. [TS]
01:55:04 ◼ ► Were Web bulletin boards like as Usenet has gone away. And the big web hadn't come. [TS]
01:55:08 ◼ ► And there were web olden boards that ever just cycle her and check all of them were little communities in each one and. [TS]
01:55:19 ◼ ► Because if you're in a web old embarking any or even a slack channel and someone's being a jerk you can't. [TS]
01:55:25 ◼ ► or you couldn't back in today anyway like there was no equivalent of like I don't want to see what they have to say [TS]
01:55:33 ◼ ► and use their replies like Twitter has helped in that regard both by keeping their volume down.. [TS]
01:55:38 ◼ ► And by sort of letting you try to trace the outlines of your own little island by curating your fall this. [TS]
01:55:45 ◼ ► To give yourself a fighting chance whereas the you know if it for example in your slack thing a bunch of people were [TS]
01:55:54 ◼ ► and drive away anyway the tools are there for you to do it it becomes dead do you have to just leave whereas if a bunch [TS]
01:56:05 ◼ ► and still have the conversation with the people that you like. So you know. I think things are better. [TS]
01:56:12 ◼ ► Now in the sense that the big public one is actually a viable enough to fool us all into thinking like oh I don't need [TS]
01:56:21 ◼ ► that in between one anymore the big public want to find for a long time that kind of worked out. [TS]
01:56:32 ◼ ► and serve connections I just don't know the solution to getting a set of those that is stable and satisfactory that. [TS]
01:56:42 ◼ ► Oh see it happens but it's interesting it's an interesting conversation and I love [TS]
01:56:58 ◼ ► but think things that I've been doing to try to help manage deck to it try to Twitter Twitter negative they. [TS]
01:57:07 ◼ ► One of the things is like you know we talk about people don't give us the benefit of doubt [TS]
01:57:11 ◼ ► and everything's it goes both ways we do the same thing about them like because because it's like you know it's my [TS]
01:57:18 ◼ ► and someone set type something like you know what the kids well you typed OK with a period that means you're angry [TS]
01:57:23 ◼ ► right. It's very different to misread what people are saying. And in the same way to do so a very often. [TS]
01:57:35 ◼ ► And I will do something to try to determine whether they were intentionally aggressive or whether they were trying [TS]
01:57:40 ◼ ► and failing to make a joke because that's the whole thing like Mark was saying that people listen to us [TS]
01:57:43 ◼ ► and they know us and I feel like they're familiar in the same way that we can say things to each other that you know. [TS]
01:57:51 ◼ ► And so at the very least that gives us a leg up on thing does he really think that you're like Well now it's obviously [TS]
01:57:56 ◼ ► when strangers do it they think they know us we have no idea who they are totally read the naked aggression to us [TS]
01:58:05 ◼ ► That will give them an opportunity to basically say in whatever so many words like. I didn't mean it that way. [TS]
01:58:18 ◼ ► It was an attempt a good natured joshing and they're actually a fan they were trying to be nice [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► and I felt like trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially if they follow me because I am. [TS]
01:58:31 ◼ ► But unlike Marcos policy I've not come to the point where I allers like so we block people [TS]
01:58:40 ◼ ► but you would think like OK fine do that thing where you try to see if the given time for the doubt all you're going to [TS]
01:58:45 ◼ ► do is just make them pissed off more and make yourself more miserable and I have to admit that does happen sometimes [TS]
01:58:52 ◼ ► or two times that I engage in someone in a way that lets them reveal the fact that that I should have given the better [TS]
01:58:59 ◼ ► for the doubt the just like it was a joke that came off wrong or right or whatever. I feel better. Like that is a. [TS]
01:59:05 ◼ ► That is a positive lift more than I think even if they just come out in the beginning [TS]
01:59:13 ◼ ► I was able to turn it around that what could have turned into a fight didn't turn into one [TS]
01:59:17 ◼ ► and we came to an understanding that someone was misunderstood and that we worked it out. And that like that. [TS]
01:59:22 ◼ ► It gives me faith in humanity that they're like that not everyone who I think is evil and mean is actually evil [TS]
01:59:31 ◼ ► And it happens every once and it doesn't happen a lot I have to admit like not going to you know. They're not all good. [TS]
01:59:37 ◼ ► But the few times it does happen I think personally it gives me a lift to counteract like you know how like that the [TS]
01:59:42 ◼ ► one bad comment is disproportionately weighing on you. The one good thing that happens. [TS]
01:59:49 ◼ ► And I also think like you know the person Any other end of that feels better out as well maybe learn something about [TS]
01:59:55 ◼ ► you know. Not being mean and the way I do that. Someone says they just saw me do this on Twitter today. [TS]
02:00:01 ◼ ► The way I do this is probably doesn't look very nice because very often I do this by coming back at them directly to [TS]
02:00:10 ◼ ► but it lets them know you said something that hurts my feelings and I don't even know who you are [TS]
02:00:13 ◼ ► and maybe you didn't mean to do that and if they are actually mean. I've done a comeback like. [TS]
02:00:19 ◼ ► You know I've come back at them in the typical way the yard with somebody. But if it's there. [TS]
02:00:27 ◼ ► I found rather than trying to engage them and say Did you really mean that are valid law. [TS]
02:00:36 ◼ ► They will feel shame and come back when I think I come back of them in a way they would make a good feel. [TS]
02:00:45 ◼ ► Then I still feel like I'm made an aggressive counter and I just walk in the move and right. [TS]
02:00:52 ◼ ► but you guys I don't know if it's ever happened to you like you've turned someone around [TS]
02:01:01 ◼ ► and like you know kind of work things out and turn things around write that positive outcome. [TS]
02:01:15 ◼ ► but I found that that does help me feel better about the whole thing. Yeah. You know it's. [TS]
02:01:25 ◼ ► Sometimes I'll try to reply with an equal amount what I feel is in equal amounts of snark. [TS]
02:01:33 ◼ ► For exactly the same reason John. So for example the person who had tweeted to me. [TS]
02:01:38 ◼ ► You know you're being ridiculous keep track of your cards. My reply to that person was. [TS]
02:01:42 ◼ ► It was an honest mistake you're being ridiculous. Which. I'm not saying I'm necessarily proud of that. [TS]
02:02:05 ◼ ► And it's tough because it bothered me enough that I felt like I wanted them to this person to know that I am bothered. [TS]
02:02:12 ◼ ► But I don't know that I've gotten enough relief from replying in a snarky way either does [TS]
02:02:20 ◼ ► but I don't think you let them know that you're upset that I think you just came back to them the regulators argument [TS]
02:02:24 ◼ ► like the. The one from today I can remember it was but someone. Some was you know. [TS]
02:02:32 ◼ ► So I like that's that's fine and you can do that in a funny way. Or you can do that in a mean way. Right. [TS]
02:02:39 ◼ ► And this person did it in sort of a mean condescending way. Right. But as far as I knew they could have been in there. [TS]
02:02:47 ◼ ► In their mind and could have been exactly the same feelings all of the people who like you know. [TS]
02:02:52 ◼ ► Right that we do it to each other until I get it's a running gag on the show right [TS]
02:03:02 ◼ ► What I came back with them was like you know. Using a similar like echo of their comments of like. [TS]
02:03:12 ◼ ► They're suddenly like how hard is it not to say the word Mariella like you know like. [TS]
02:03:25 ◼ ► And depending on your mood and I was in a not a particular good mood that part of like really going to call me [TS]
02:03:32 ◼ ► There are ways to phrase that that are not quite as mean it wasn't mean it's not that mean [TS]
02:03:35 ◼ ► but I was just it annoyed me so I said. How hard is it not to be condescending to strangers on Twitter. [TS]
02:03:40 ◼ ► Which emphasize a couple things One that I don't even know you that you are essential like Marco said walking by my [TS]
02:03:45 ◼ ► porch thing we have a conversation not even because like for a podcast or who knows when. [TS]
02:03:57 ◼ ► And my thing comes back at them it's like it is kind of a comeback. Right. But it's also emphasizes the fact that. [TS]
02:04:03 ◼ ► What were you just doing there. You were being condescending to someone you don't even know on Twitter we have no. [TS]
02:04:08 ◼ ► We have never met I don't know who you are I don't even know what you're referring to [TS]
02:04:11 ◼ ► and your opening salvos to be condescending to me about how I pronounce something right. [TS]
02:04:24 ◼ ► and they're just like greatest artist funny how is pronounced a reverend then I explain to them there was a regional [TS]
02:04:28 ◼ ► accent and lovely whatever like you know. It is has effectively a positive result. [TS]
02:04:35 ◼ ► But the important point was to like communicate to that like make them realize how their actions look from my [TS]
02:04:43 ◼ ► perspective. I don't know if you saying that like. You know that you said about the expiring credit card let them. [TS]
02:04:50 ◼ ► Really what really communicated to them how you were feeling about or what it looks like. [TS]
02:04:54 ◼ ► From your perspective but like I said sometimes is you know. I think the percentage of this work is really low. [TS]
02:05:06 ◼ ► And I'm just so happy and pleasantly surprised that it makes me feel better when it actually does work and someone. [TS]
02:05:13 ◼ ► And what could have been a conflict trying to do not a conflict. Now to know I just feel like in retrospect that. [TS]
02:05:21 ◼ ► I guess the reason I tweeted in in replied was because I wanted some amount of closure and [TS]
02:05:29 ◼ ► Because if I just ignored it would it even at the back of my head. Like all day long. [TS]
02:05:34 ◼ ► It was a person such a jerk What if I ever do to bother them it was an honest freakin mistake why they so upset. [TS]
02:05:39 ◼ ► And so that's why I replied because the did get it out of my head but I am not getting the relief [TS]
02:05:46 ◼ ► and satisfaction from. From my tweet that. That I wanted. And that's probably it's certainly on me. [TS]
02:05:59 ◼ ► It's just it's stuff like that like this little one shot thing that really in the grand scheme of things is not a big [TS]
02:06:15 ◼ ► and all more confident than ever used to be and I think that's all in large part because I have more of an audience [TS]
02:06:19 ◼ ► and I never used to have. But I don't know it's just it's tough it's been tough for me to deal with and. [TS]