00:00:05 ◼ ► John it's about Prince Asians so you're in charge of it was and why that's the case but I did put this in there. [TS]
00:00:10 ◼ ► Dan from Twitter. Wrote us to tell us the correct pronunciation of M K B H T's. Name it is apparently Marquez. [TS]
00:00:19 ◼ ► Not Marcus or any other thing that we tried to model our way through in the last show. [TS]
00:00:23 ◼ ► So I'm annoyed by this because vacuum we first talked about his him in his video when he got the. [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► I guessed that it would have been pronounced Marquez. And so I said Marquez. And I heard from a thief. [TS]
00:00:38 ◼ ► A few people saying that's wrong. So that's why I didn't try to prance that way again. [TS]
00:00:43 ◼ ► So we don't know if this is right there anyone to type anything into a box on the web. [TS]
00:00:52 ◼ ► and I still would like to have a video of Marquez saying his own name just so I can you know hear it from him. [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► but we don't know because we don't want to tell but he always calls himself M.T.V.'s D. Wait. [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► That's what he calls himself like in his own video he says hey guys this is N.P.V. H.D. and He likes only. [TS]
00:01:10 ◼ ► Yeah that's the first place I look for Prince you should. Assistance. It's like Madonna but away longer. [TS]
00:01:16 ◼ ► Real time follow up from underscore who is my favorite person to have in the chat because he is like our entire [TS]
00:01:22 ◼ ► research squad in one character which is underscore anyway. He has found a link to Mark has pronouncing his name and. [TS]
00:01:32 ◼ ► but he has confirmed that it is indeed Martin as my name is Mark as Brownlee sky like. [TS]
00:01:42 ◼ ► and even use Broadwell biggest guy like is coming so soon brought out was delayed because they had a lot of trouble [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► with the fourteen nanometer process. Scale like as a new architecture but on the same process. [TS]
00:01:50 ◼ ► So maybe to just get back to that and now. Just before the show I get a link to an article that posts and rumors about. [TS]
00:02:03 ◼ ► but supposedly there Glenn yet until August. And the article. Reeling through here from Mighty world. [TS]
00:02:11 ◼ ► I think tries to say that they're delaying it just to space out their products not for any particular reason like they [TS]
00:02:17 ◼ ► would be ready but they want to space it out to give room for Broadwell to sell. I don't know what to think but anyway. [TS]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Betting on until delaying something is always a safe bet. Well the lot of intel. Delays and release dates. [TS]
00:02:33 ◼ ► Except for the one that comes right after whatever you buy an image as a question mark in a spot a follow up is not a [TS]
00:02:39 ◼ ► definitive thing it is just a link to rumors from Digital AM So we'll see how it goes [TS]
00:02:44 ◼ ► but I'm thinking that Apple's going to ship Bravo machines no matter what you know even of sky like was available for [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► Designed ready manufacturing like their I think that is going to. You know what they're going to ship no matter what. [TS]
00:03:00 ◼ ► Yeah I think you're I know now that you know having scarlet come so soon after broke it was already like pretty [TS]
00:03:06 ◼ ► suspicious. And so now if there. If there's any hint that it might actually be delayed. That's extremely plausible. [TS]
00:03:14 ◼ ► I agree I think we're going to see brought about the summer on the fifteen inch and that'll be that. [TS]
00:03:20 ◼ ► And we also heard some interesting information that possibly explains limitations of the new MacBook. [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► So one thing I've complained about an initially was that it only has eight gigs of RAM that's not configurable to [TS]
00:03:34 ◼ ► We heard from a number of people and the these are publicly documented on Intel site [TS]
00:03:38 ◼ ► and stuff that Broadwell Coram chipset that is used in the new mac but to get that low power five watt family design. [TS]
00:03:55 ◼ ► So that's why a case is what it is trying to look that up. Rather than just taking these people's word for. [TS]
00:04:02 ◼ ► and you can see machines with sixteen gigs with the same processor. What the fall.. [TS]
00:04:12 ◼ ► Yeah you can put sixteen and tell sites as sixteen. But if you want. The ram to be soldered to the circuit board. [TS]
00:04:22 ◼ ► and it's four gigs for channel for RAM that soldered onto the board in the US the limit of eight and. [TS]
00:04:26 ◼ ► I handle cited did say you know maximum RAM and then if that imprint sees depending on type. [TS]
00:04:36 ◼ ► but as I mean like that lead eventually maybe yeah if you have Dems you can use sixteen [TS]
00:04:42 ◼ ► I'm inclined to believe these people just couldn't find the documentation to back it up. [TS]
00:04:45 ◼ ► But it makes sense you know like. This is the smallest of the small low powered you know. [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► But maybe the soldering to the board so it's entirely plausible makes sense to me. Yeah and you know. [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► I mean it's going to it's going in some really like you know sexy. Laptop that we all want. [TS]
00:05:11 ◼ ► But the reality is these are low end parties are slow. They're very very low power. [TS]
00:05:23 ◼ ► So and this let this lead was very one to our next. Follow a point on this which is. [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► John you've been begging for a long time. Months years. Somebody to give you a good reason why there is only one U.S.B. [TS]
00:05:39 ◼ ► Let me stop you there because we're all said you can go contain explain it but I've seen this before [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► and I thought I gotta see I see the technical docs I got to see the sourcing Otherwise it's just you know. [TS]
00:06:01 ◼ ► Chris Jones who says that the piece which is what you know I think it used be called the Southbridge platform control [TS]
00:06:09 ◼ ► That's the chip on the motherboard for those who don't know that that controls most of the stuff is so should the [TS]
00:06:14 ◼ ► slower IO stuff so not like RAM and G.P. Use. Which is all I believe now directly control by the C.P.U. [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► In the entire lineup. But now it's like you know U.S.B. Stuff basically. And so the P.C.H. [TS]
00:06:25 ◼ ► Integrated into this chipset by Intel provides for U.S.B. Three connections. Typical MacBook uses one U.S.B. [TS]
00:06:35 ◼ ► One for the keyboard and trackpad and one for the Face Time camera leaving one connection left for the U.S.B. [TS]
00:06:40 ◼ ► Type seaport. And for Apple to add more ports. If they wanted them to be U.S.B. Three. [TS]
00:06:45 ◼ ► Would require them to add a separate U.S.B. Controller which should be another chip on the board and. [TS]
00:06:53 ◼ ► That costs money and so you know all these all these cost of that they probably should have to do it now. [TS]
00:06:58 ◼ ► This might be a little bit. Unreliable of the of a reason because as as Chris points out the U.S.B. [TS]
00:07:07 ◼ ► Two point zero ports are counted separately and I checked my map approach is granted three years old [TS]
00:07:13 ◼ ► but I checked on that and the. The keyboard and Bluetooth controller are plugged into the U.S.B. Two bus. [TS]
00:07:22 ◼ ► but I remember back in the day I think some internal components on power books then were on the A D B. Wow. [TS]
00:07:28 ◼ ► They're going to use the smallest lowest cost connection possible for the internal components so why does attract bad [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► need U.S.B. Three verses U.S.B. Two. You know in the same thing for a for a the camera. [TS]
00:07:41 ◼ ► So that's why this is kind of like you have to use connections with these things you can like it just isn't make sense [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► Yeah and the keyboard to I mean a special the keyboard like the high band with the device. Yes So I. This is. [TS]
00:08:00 ◼ ► A good theory I'm not sure that it applies here though. But the better reason. I think this is worse by gone. OK.. [TS]
00:08:07 ◼ ► The better reason as I pointed out by Cape here it is that due to limitations of the integrated. Intel G.P.U. [TS]
00:08:17 ◼ ► It is not possible to drive to extreme displays at very high resolutions along with the internal panel so anything I [TS]
00:08:24 ◼ ► believe past ten and he. It's considered a high resolution. It can't drive two extra and they can only do one X. [TS]
00:08:30 ◼ ► Turn all at those resolutions. Plus the built in panel. And so if there are multiple U.S.B. Seaports. [TS]
00:08:43 ◼ ► and so there would be this weird situation where you have like these two identical ports. [TS]
00:08:47 ◼ ► Only one of which can drive a high resolution display the both of which possible to be able to drive lower solution to [TS]
00:08:59 ◼ ► when we were trying to figure out if it had a mirroring member like OK into marrying your candor extended split [TS]
00:09:03 ◼ ► and I think you looked it up and said Oh it says right here on this next page. And as marrying and also dual display. [TS]
00:09:12 ◼ ► That's what the Apple specs say that's what the machine does have you had it with two identical ports you plug a [TS]
00:09:17 ◼ ► And you get a second Modern you plug into second you like what the hell the second monitor isn't working. [TS]
00:09:20 ◼ ► It only supports to display that has it right there on the spec page there's no ambiguity. [TS]
00:09:26 ◼ ► or confused by the fact that you can't support three displays the machine only supports two for years. [TS]
00:09:30 ◼ ► Lot that's only supported two displays like you just keep plugging displays in willy nilly. Having another U.S.B. Port. [TS]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Ports never like now I can have seventeen displays Now you got going to take spec space [TS]
00:09:56 ◼ ► But I at least we will have to agree to disagree on this which is a phrase I hate. [TS]
00:10:04 ◼ ► Ports in the sitting bud we could only support to display so we better get rid of that port like that makes sense do [TS]
00:10:11 ◼ ► Well what I see here are a bunch of smaller reasons that. That potentially if you add all these reasons up. [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► Might be enough justification and by the way and we heard a theory from few people that I want to address. [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► People saying that Apple is artificially only giving one port. That way they can sell an upgraded model. [TS]
00:10:34 ◼ ► What you mean by upgraded like just the next or vision the machine. Yeah exactly the same sense of right exactly. [TS]
00:10:41 ◼ ► We usually hear from from a handful of people like this really well they're just artificially keeping that down so they [TS]
00:10:54 ◼ ► but that's not how any business works I was like going to a sandwich shop to give him a little bit crappier sandwich is [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► a weakness on the better one they're not going to come back if you sell more product doesn't satisfy them that I'm [TS]
00:11:03 ◼ ► going to say. Well I now have to buy the new one next year like if you get a car and it's not a great car you. [TS]
00:11:09 ◼ ► Maybe look different car maker next time you are going to say damn or they just did this all by the better Honda next [TS]
00:11:13 ◼ ► or no huge success by Honda of you get a product you get a progress not satisfactory they're not an intentionally [TS]
00:11:19 ◼ ► handicap in their products. With the goal of. It will get him next time it'll make him buy a new computer sooner. [TS]
00:11:25 ◼ ► Does it just doesn't make sense them. Exactly I mean there's so many reasons why products you know. [TS]
00:11:36 ◼ ► and usually it's regards to reasonable justifiable reasons like availability or costs. [TS]
00:11:46 ◼ ► or having having major trade offs major downsides. So that's you know I don't think anybody and by the way. [TS]
00:11:56 ◼ ► And most people don't follow things so closely that they would even know like most battles customers. [TS]
00:12:02 ◼ ► And one comes out next year with two poor and they're not shopping for a computer then they don't know. [TS]
00:12:10 ◼ ► or the battery starts where not really badly. And they go in in two or three years or more. [TS]
00:12:15 ◼ ► And look at a new computer like that's when we're going to see what's available then which might be totally different. [TS]
00:12:19 ◼ ► Usually much more it's not like phones if you're lucky if they go every few years. [TS]
00:12:23 ◼ ► But some people feel like all the my contracts over now I have this freedom period and whatever [TS]
00:12:31 ◼ ► I don't know the operates like a lot of Max but I think it's way longer than any other thing [TS]
00:12:39 ◼ ► No I just said I'm using I'm using a three year old my pro as well and i Macin the macros. [TS]
00:12:44 ◼ ► That's sure I think that was a special case though before that I let my things that's a pretty long. Because I kept. [TS]
00:12:49 ◼ ► My prose. John is your is your MacPro hit a decade yet are now seven years. Thing in there. [TS]
00:12:55 ◼ ► That's a closer answer than I expected if it's the funding as I've so I took a trip. [TS]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Last week to anyone that I was using my laptop very heavily in. And every time you pull out of I realize you know. [TS]
00:13:07 ◼ ► With the exception of the screen retention which I could get fixed for I think like four hundred dollars Somebody told [TS]
00:13:14 ◼ ► I'd probably not get it fixed or not worth it but like this machine I got was the base model. [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► The ninety nine model the base model that was that came out. Three years ago the for the first retina fifty. [TS]
00:13:24 ◼ ► And I was looking just out of here as looking like. You know if I want to replace this today. [TS]
00:13:35 ◼ ► and look at the configurations that are available today. And I will get the base model again. [TS]
00:13:39 ◼ ► It's like the specs are so good now sixteen gig ceramic is eight. It's a faster C.P.U. [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► It's aimed seem to space but I don't need a lot of space that's not my primary computer. [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► If Brubaker comes out this summer like I said you know I have a family member who kind of need to hand it down to [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► pretty soon. So it probably comes out the summer and to read and update on the by the base model again probably. [TS]
00:14:05 ◼ ► If I didn't have a good reason to upgrade. I would keep using this one for another year or two at least I mean. [TS]
00:14:21 ◼ ► I mean I've had my work computer for three years I've had my personal computer for three Issue years. [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and I know work is on a three year cycle so I might be rocking to different can choose different new Macs this year I [TS]
00:14:39 ◼ ► don't know we'll see if we will see what happens but yeah I mean I three year cycle is not unreasonable and. [TS]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and especially for those like myself who have machines that have spinning platters in them. You know even just an S.S.D. [TS]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Now once again they have not given me any script to read and instead they've sent John. Another toaster to review. [TS]
00:15:17 ◼ ► The idea of taking letters out of their model number which I don't know who makes it worse or better. [TS]
00:15:24 ◼ ► and they'll have they'll have like a name like you know said it and forget it toaster oven. [TS]
00:15:29 ◼ ► You know like the some word that's on the cup the something name of the prices that the model number. Anyway. [TS]
00:15:34 ◼ ► This is a very big toaster it's the inside is about the same size as my Breville six at the Xcel which is a pretty big [TS]
00:15:47 ◼ ► So it's wider than you think it is like you look at it from the front you think just the brightly colored rectangle [TS]
00:15:51 ◼ ► side but has bulges like big metal bulges. That adds a couple inches in either side in the back. [TS]
00:15:57 ◼ ► And the thing to the right of the toaster all the buttons are is pretty thick so this is. [TS]
00:16:04 ◼ ► And I think that's probably what makes this thing larger is that this also has convection. [TS]
00:16:07 ◼ ► So that just the price you pay for convection you get a much bigger toaster bottle it's. [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► It showed in the Amazon pictures as containing. What appears to be either a very large chicken or a very small turkey. [TS]
00:16:17 ◼ ► Yeah. That's like a smallish chicken like of that same size inside as my brittle but the outside is bigger. [TS]
00:16:25 ◼ ► and you can see in the picture as this thing comes with a probe their mom there that's attached to the toaster. [TS]
00:16:32 ◼ ► That you kind of that you shove the probe into it like a slot and then you walk up the. [TS]
00:16:37 ◼ ► The rubber coated wire for the probe and you try to close its little door it's terrible anyway [TS]
00:16:42 ◼ ► and does have a prototype she would for food tempter so you can put the probe and your food [TS]
00:16:46 ◼ ► and close the door yes close it on your rubber surrounded. Their mom or wire thing like adored will close all the way. [TS]
00:16:53 ◼ ► With the wire sort of shove than pinch through there which is weird and it also means there has to be kind of. [TS]
00:16:58 ◼ ► Gap around the entire door of the toaster. Anyway. You think the probe in and you can. [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► You know pick the desired temperature of the food and you just turn the thing on it will turn itself off [TS]
00:17:06 ◼ ► when your food at the correct temperature. And it's got the government food safety. [TS]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Temperatures for different kinds of food like printed on the door of the toaster in case you forget. [TS]
00:17:14 ◼ ► And I just take this time to remind everybody of the government food safety temperatures for food. Are often crazy. [TS]
00:17:22 ◼ ► You should cook pork two hundred sixty two hundred seventy degrees I invite everyone listening to this to cook a pork [TS]
00:17:26 ◼ ► chop two hundred seventy degrees and then tell me how it tasted them taste like sawdust. [TS]
00:17:31 ◼ ► You cannot do one hundred seventy degrees they do that for like you know. Prevention from Trigger No says or anyway. [TS]
00:17:38 ◼ ► or food are super conservative yet you will kill every German that food also killed the food and to be tasteless and. [TS]
00:17:49 ◼ ► but I'm just you know feel free cook your Parker one seventy but that's no way to live just don't eat pork when. [TS]
00:17:56 ◼ ► Oh my God we're going to hear from everybody on both sides argument you really know everyone who knows anything about [TS]
00:18:01 ◼ ► cooking park will say. Yes of course you can do you haven't you ever cooked parked on seventy. I've never cooked pork. [TS]
00:18:06 ◼ ► And you guys don't cook and the only time I ever cooked pork is bacon and that's a whole different ballgame. [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► Both you don't cook. No I cook just not that right. Just not that. Never in your whole life ever. [TS]
00:18:18 ◼ ► I mean like Casey I cook bacon. But I don't really like eating pork chops. So I don't cook them apart roast. Nothing. [TS]
00:18:31 ◼ ► Well now you've got your good I'm religious in the park friends anyway. The toaster as a toaster. [TS]
00:18:37 ◼ ► I tried to do my topical toast off versus mine when you put you know it's called toaster. [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► Start testing see who wins that's all you know I've been timing them all that the toast off was thwarted by the fact [TS]
00:18:51 ◼ ► and by the toaster is not particularly small trip the circuit breaker my kitchen tap water the time from process. [TS]
00:18:56 ◼ ► Trying to tell us Brent Bozell this is a. Fourteen hundred watt toaster oven. I flip the breaker. [TS]
00:19:05 ◼ ► This is the slow toaster for toasting bread it is slower than my bread rolls the slowest one I had its largest [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► I have things like resistive heating elements there they're not the courts ones that are like shiny and thick [TS]
00:19:20 ◼ ► and they slowly start to glow red it is really slow to toast I don't know if I could tolerate trying to get toast in [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► But without Do you have a minute spent like what do you consider really slow. I had I did. [TS]
00:19:34 ◼ ► Time in a stopwatch register the math of the subtracting from my toasters like thirty seconds slower I think it's like [TS]
00:19:50 ◼ ► And how long will take depends on the ambient temperature inside the toaster so the second piece of toast is way faster [TS]
00:19:55 ◼ ► than the first one. Right right. That's what's make it a smart toaster Anyway this one has no read out like that. [TS]
00:20:03 ◼ ► There's not great choices for all the stuff that you touch and you see on this toaster like the dials buttons [TS]
00:20:10 ◼ ► The the display is like one of those multi segment displays it's not a seven silent as it can make letters. [TS]
00:20:18 ◼ ► You know because I just I think I like the diagonal line for like the letter and stuff. [TS]
00:20:22 ◼ ► I don't know me that the seven eight nine ten eleven twelve segment display but it lights up [TS]
00:20:26 ◼ ► and it tries to do this growing stuff like when you hit toast it says. C N T R blank. R A C K. Blank. C.N.C. [TS]
00:20:36 ◼ ► And this is something people are age or my age anyway might not realize that modern toasters. Have a movable rock. [TS]
00:20:44 ◼ ► And they expect you to have the rack in the middle of the toaster like height wise not the bottom of the toaster now [TS]
00:20:49 ◼ ► the top of the toaster directly in the middle which looks really weird for people like me who grew up with a Black [TS]
00:20:55 ◼ ► but it makes them human from an even toasting perspective because you want to be equal distance from the heating [TS]
00:20:59 ◼ ► elements. If you're right against the bottom hitting almost the bottom is going to cook way faster than the top. [TS]
00:21:05 ◼ ► That little display doesn't tell you anything useful doesn't tell you how long it's going to take doesn't give you a [TS]
00:21:09 ◼ ► countdown timer It just says it's you know toasting and the buttons in the thing. Are membrane buttons. [TS]
00:21:19 ◼ ► The Atari four hundred membrane keyboard you guys don't remember that but you know what I'm talking about [TS]
00:21:24 ◼ ► It's like a little like like bubbles of bubbles of plastic that are that are just like held up over the surface the [TS]
00:21:33 ◼ ► and every time you press want to feel like you're pressing the entire membrane. Down like it's. It is not an expensive. [TS]
00:21:41 ◼ ► The the rack doesn't pull out when the door opens the the rack it's Lindsay the tray comes was there flimsy. [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► If you want to use it as like a. This is more like a measure of and less like it you know. [TS]
00:21:53 ◼ ► Perform so poorly unlike toaster related things where it's a frequently use appliance you're going back to it again [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► This is more like what they see on the cover of you want to cook a chicken to put a problem under [TS]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and it's like a smaller version of a knob and then you're not bothered so much by the button business. The U.I. [TS]
00:22:14 ◼ ► You press a button it's a center rocking like you're waiting for me to move the racket you're going to start toasting [TS]
00:22:20 ◼ ► There's no count down to tell you when it has started very often I've had to open it up [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► Because there's no visual indication that it is doing what I asked it to do pushing the membrane buttons. Yeah. [TS]
00:22:43 ◼ ► Small things in an oven but I would not use this is a toaster and it's just human gas and weird. [TS]
00:22:52 ◼ ► So you said they selected a misleadingly sized chicken for for the top picture there with the probe. [TS]
00:23:02 ◼ ► That is the very strange proportion that those bread slices have where they look really small in thickly cut. [TS]
00:23:09 ◼ ► It's like Texas toast or something you could not fit six lysis of regular sandwich [TS]
00:23:13 ◼ ► but I think it's a force lifestyle service Russell you do have to have some space around the toast otherwise it doesn't [TS]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and second of all I don't think I get a wedge three pieces of bread in this thing side by side just regular sandwich [TS]
00:23:25 ◼ ► bread you know it's not that big. OK Well thank you cards against humanity for giving Stern interest drive again. [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► And then back to back to the follow up do we want to talk about what it's like to build RAM actually right before the [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► When the new mac book pro's come out you know because we assume they all have U.S.B. Type C. Connectors on them. [TS]
00:24:05 ◼ ► And how Apple handles these the possible confusion of like oh can you power from both of them can I put four monitor in [TS]
00:24:13 ◼ ► because it's for us be type seaport So you know like all those things will be answered not by seeing whether Marquez is [TS]
00:24:20 ◼ ► right about the next version of the new MacBook having two ports but by thing what they do. [TS]
00:24:25 ◼ ► To the mac book pro I mean if they put one port and I will produce not eliminating. [TS]
00:24:31 ◼ ► and then we're going to see all you know all these questions about possible confusion. [TS]
00:24:35 ◼ ► How does Apple answer them with a product that they basically have to have more than one U.S.B. Type seaborne. [TS]
00:24:50 ◼ ► Yeah I just mean like the confusion reasons like oh you can't charge for more than one [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► and if it has more ports than it supports monitors could maybe support three monitors but us for ports you know. [TS]
00:25:03 ◼ ► Finally RAM last show I made an offhand comment talking about we're talking about thanks guy like him [TS]
00:25:13 ◼ ► They do a new processes they fab RAM first because very regular and easier to fad than the complicated logic in a C.P.U. [TS]
00:25:23 ◼ ► or the very least it's not true anymore because apparently fab in RAM is actually harder than pure pure logic chip [TS]
00:25:27 ◼ ► these days because the RAM ask Mark passages in it and yield and reliability problems [TS]
00:25:34 ◼ ► and DRAM are almost always do the manufacturing problems with the capacitors which are very tightly packed [TS]
00:25:38 ◼ ► and have high aspect ratios whatever that means he wrote a very detailed explanation that I found very convincing that [TS]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and fact the RAM is often fad that one just two generations behind what logic is that these days. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► but it could be knowledge from like the eighty's for all I know some much is change [TS]
00:26:08 ◼ ► If it hit by the way anyone does know what the hell in their memory if I am remembering something please do send in the [TS]
00:26:15 ◼ ► Shall even have to say please only one person sent to us because I know the number of people who has [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► and it is going to be between zero and will anybody to read Byte magazine in the eighty's probably know that. Goodness. [TS]
00:26:25 ◼ ► OK. So a little bit about the new trackpad Apple. Apparently has updated some apps to use it including i Movie. [TS]
00:26:35 ◼ ► I don't know which one of you entered this in the document but I know almost nothing about this. [TS]
00:26:41 ◼ ► I answered and I didn't read the stories like they updated like a bunch of their apps to you know. [TS]
00:26:46 ◼ ► To support the new before such trackpad. But most interesting when I thought it was. [TS]
00:26:51 ◼ ► I am movie where they updated it so like when you're dragging along the clips you can like feel [TS]
00:26:55 ◼ ► when you hit the end of the clip. Like dragging the little slider along that you know and I'm moving to show how. [TS]
00:27:11 ◼ ► All it does is vibrate maybe you can vibrate different amounts are different you know. [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► and they've added the rumble back in Star Trek sixty four when I was like All it does is rumble. [TS]
00:27:28 ◼ ► Yeah you can kind of make it rumble different amounts rumble very you know in bursts or whatever. [TS]
00:27:33 ◼ ► But it is a very limited feedback device all that has the kind of be in simulating some kind of bump right. [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► If you want to feel when you're scrubbing a little chorus or longer a clip. When you hit the end it goes. [TS]
00:27:50 ◼ ► I know what you call it a new not to mention a new vector for output from the divisive Got. [TS]
00:27:56 ◼ ► Visual you've got sound and now you've got it can make you feel something under your finger. [TS]
00:28:01 ◼ ► Not very complicated things. Basically just some kind of vibration of different. You know. Strength and timing. [TS]
00:28:10 ◼ ► and is the type of thing where like you know we all just assume for such will come to all the I.R.S. [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► What I mean you press on the watch a very mountainous sense of how much you're pressing it does not press back on your [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Well no but it is see this is why the nomenclature so peculiar because the tap tick engine does. [TS]
00:28:35 ◼ ► God I just had on the Took my tongue and I lost it but it will tap you like. Yeah. [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► Right it's not like you're scrolling through with your finger on the phone like swiping through screens [TS]
00:28:48 ◼ ► and the screen and the phone vibrates to make you feel like you feel something on your finger. [TS]
00:28:59 ◼ ► They are trying to make it as a way so you can sort of feel stuff on the screen in a very limited way. [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► But even just in a very limited way it's like well if you're going to force the trackpad and everything and. [TS]
00:29:12 ◼ ► For and as just a little bit of it's a type of thing where if you have any kind of tactile feedback. It is another. [TS]
00:29:19 ◼ ► What the hell's the word I'm looking for another. Another input channels dimension. [TS]
00:29:30 ◼ ► The lack of it will feel wrong to you in the same way that suddenly if you have to use a macro a closing your eyes [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► or closing your ears and the same way they did things that sound like user interface sound. [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► It has to be done in a limited way. If every time you scroll the scroll bar a scrolling view. [TS]
00:29:47 ◼ ► And I think most I think most not users turn off the thing that makes a sound when you're done. [TS]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Most sort of like people listening those pockets of like turn off the finder sounds like crumple a paper [TS]
00:29:57 ◼ ► when you're empty the trash or make a day when you copy a file from one place the other I don't know maybe I'm crazy. [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► Doesn't matter just like that I don't want that to happen on my computer ever just empty the trash not make it no. [TS]
00:30:18 ◼ ► and saying me a song I don't want to say is useful for me because usually because I don't know the do it I know the [TS]
00:30:25 ◼ ► trash does that doesn't do it when you're moving files. If I just like a really quick immediate thing. [TS]
00:30:29 ◼ ► So I know it doesn't after long operations. It just copy goes doesn't bring. I don't even know what the sounds are. [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► Well it's useful feedback because when you have like first of all somebody like me I very rarely empty the trash. [TS]
00:30:42 ◼ ► I just forgot to do it. So when I do it to the trash. It's a pretty big set of trash in there. [TS]
00:30:46 ◼ ► And you know if I'm doing a big file move it might take a while so the sounds provide feedback to tell you [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► when it's done. Anyway. I'm getting as it has to be done in a subtle manner like there's a right amount of sound here. [TS]
00:30:59 ◼ ► You know something like that makes sense but maybe not have a sound every time you move the cursor. But it. [TS]
00:31:04 ◼ ► You know that type of movie sound. It has to be and so the same thing with a tactic feedback. [TS]
00:31:17 ◼ ► but I think once they do find that balance and once it comes to every Apple device. [TS]
00:31:21 ◼ ► It's just a gimme that it's like this. This makes the experience richer. Even if it's so incredibly primitive it. [TS]
00:31:27 ◼ ► Vibrate a little bit just think of like if you if your phone didn't have a vibration motor and it. [TS]
00:31:32 ◼ ► How much or worse the device would be just that one little piece of metal inside it. [TS]
00:31:36 ◼ ► And how much they can do with that I'm a little worried about developers over using this for a while [TS]
00:31:41 ◼ ► and Apple also using over the over a reason this for a while I did finally get a chance to try one of these in a store. [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► I also initially didn't believe that it was that trackpad I thought it well does most of the old model because it [TS]
00:31:57 ◼ ► clicked it does feel different. But it's. It's like a softer click and I know I know it's a setting. [TS]
00:32:07 ◼ ► It is still a softer click like it's like less clicky less feedback New got from the old one. But it. [TS]
00:32:14 ◼ ► You know it still feels like a click to me. And so it's great. My my worry and when you do the double. [TS]
00:32:20 ◼ ► You know the deeper. Forced click whatever calling that one that one is interesting if you'll find. My worry with that. [TS]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Is that now we have three different kinds of clicks like this it's kind of like swift right there. [TS]
00:32:34 ◼ ► It looks simple and seems simple but it's actually just hiding complexity hiding complete hog. [TS]
00:32:45 ◼ ► It appears by the track that it appears as though you have one button. Right like the. The main click. [TS]
00:32:52 ◼ ► You have a secondary click a right click the control click whatever you want to call it the right click menu is often a [TS]
00:32:59 ◼ ► very often provide often does important thing so you often need to know about it. So in reality. [TS]
00:33:04 ◼ ► You pretty much need to know two different clicks. The force click. Is now a third one. [TS]
00:33:13 ◼ ► But it's not it's now this third thing that like. Sometimes it does a dictionary. Pop up. Sometimes it does quick look. [TS]
00:33:18 ◼ ► Sometimes it does other things and so now it's the third level of stuff that we have to either. [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► Accidently trigger and be surprised by which is annoying. Or that we have to. Learn. [TS]
00:33:28 ◼ ► Which is you know possibly tricky because now it's a third thing or. And by the way. [TS]
00:33:32 ◼ ► It's completely inconsistent as to what a thousand different things. Or we have to ignore in which case to waste. [TS]
00:33:37 ◼ ► So like I wish they would have just kind of made a right click and just kept it simple or. [TS]
00:33:43 ◼ ► I don't want to be right click just because I'm I'm concerned about how much force is going to take the horoscope I [TS]
00:33:52 ◼ ► And that's the other concern of it's not much I hope is adjustable somewhere but not much then. [TS]
00:34:01 ◼ ► and then you have to end up turning it off for them because like I'm there just can't they like. [TS]
00:34:05 ◼ ► I tried to click on something but a dictionary definition of like well you've held it a little bit too long right [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► And you could just crank the delay up so that the one time a month after you a force click go to sit there [TS]
00:34:18 ◼ ► and hold their finger down. Pressing for like three seconds then the dictionary definition cobwebby happy with that. [TS]
00:34:23 ◼ ► Like I can see someone getting use than usenet because if you tried hits them. Command option shift D. [TS]
00:34:27 ◼ ► Nobody remembers that where the hell that. That thing is what it reminded me a lot of was on automatic B.M.W. [TS]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and I think most German cars like this but certainly B.M.W.'s. You could face you can floor it. [TS]
00:34:40 ◼ ► And then in the pedal stops. And then you can kind of push through what appears to be the floorboard. [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► Which is I think they called a kick down mode or something like that which is to which is you telling the car. [TS]
00:34:55 ◼ ► No really freaking go. And that's a lot what this force click whatever it's called felt like you know you would click. [TS]
00:35:06 ◼ ► That is telling we can tell the car just downshift is that what he's trying to do in an automatic Yeah I don't tell it [TS]
00:35:11 ◼ ► to downshift as much as possible so what does it do in a manual. I don't have want to call nothing. [TS]
00:35:17 ◼ ► It's just it's just a placebo. You know what I brought. I still have not tried to force a cry. [TS]
00:35:22 ◼ ► Whenever I want to blow it brings to mind to me of course is the and John Roddick of listeners PA. [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► If you can correct me but he doesn't so he won't. The. The flight stick and they have sixteen. Doesn't move. I believe. [TS]
00:35:35 ◼ ► I was in it's like Forrest touch type thing it does not move around you just apply forces to it. [TS]
00:35:40 ◼ ► And that may seem like How can you. Like how can you fly a plane with a with a stick or doesn't move at all.. [TS]
00:35:45 ◼ ► It's it is at sixteen or the F.T. It's both someone will send us the the correction. [TS]
00:35:50 ◼ ► But it's I imagine it's like the forest touch trackpad where you just get used to the doctor thing doesn't move I don't [TS]
00:35:58 ◼ ► That's the way you you do this thing by applying force a different direction to a thing that doesn't move so sitting [TS]
00:36:02 ◼ ► there applying very amounts of force to a glass service that never moves. And probably doesn't even flex that much. [TS]
00:36:20 ◼ ► Your smart driving assistant on your smartphone go to automatic dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]
00:36:30 ◼ ► This is a little diagnostic port usually in the is that the driver side foot well with the passenger. Drivers. [TS]
00:36:35 ◼ ► Yeah driver's side foot Well it's a little Bluetooth implosion of that poor and it connects your i Phone [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► or Android phone to your car. Basically. So they have apps that run an i Phone or Android. [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► If you want to say like you know make a little digging if you're accelerating too hard it's going to train yourself to [TS]
00:37:04 ◼ ► It can track your overall economy as you're as you're taking trips and everything and you can. [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► My average this week is pretty bad or my average week is doing great give you all this great feedback. [TS]
00:37:15 ◼ ► I can also call emergency services for you in a serious crash. That is pretty cool and that could really. [TS]
00:37:25 ◼ ► Also because booking into diagnostic port it can diagnose your engine light if you have a check engine light any kind [TS]
00:37:35 ◼ ► or chorus tell you it can also help clear the code if it's some. If it's some like one time thing some cars. [TS]
00:37:42 ◼ ► If like you know one time with the gas cap will lose sometimes it will clear itself after you fix that automatic [TS]
00:37:50 ◼ ► Because again it has the smarts of your car plus your phone so it knows where you are. [TS]
00:37:54 ◼ ► And when you're with your car is turned off so it can tell you where you parked. It also has hooks with the nest. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Learning thermostat that has a whole A.P.I. Now it has integration with I have T.T.T. and. [TS]
00:38:10 ◼ ► This lets you do things like turn on your heating or a C. As you're heading home from work automatically. [TS]
00:38:15 ◼ ► So that by the time you get home. It's the right. Which are and all the rest of the day it was saving energy. [TS]
00:38:29 ◼ ► And this is great because there's no monthly fee it's just you buy the thing for a hundred bucks upfront. [TS]
00:38:35 ◼ ► And that's it. That all the services that it offers for the life of the device and. So again. No monthly fees. [TS]
00:38:42 ◼ ► Just a hundred bucks upfront. We have a special offer now. It's twenty percent off. [TS]
00:38:46 ◼ ► So if you buy it through automatic dot com slash A.T.P. Are a special link. It is just eighty bucks. [TS]
00:38:56 ◼ ► And you have a forty five day return policy so if you end up not liking it for whatever reason your forty five days to [TS]
00:39:02 ◼ ► figure that return it. So really it's no risk. So go to automatic dot com slash A.T.P. Eighty bucks. Free Shipping. [TS]
00:39:09 ◼ ► No monthly fees. Forty five day return policy Thanks a lot automatic. All right. So speaking of the for such trackpad. [TS]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Apparently there may be or may not be a missing three finger drag and not that I was planning on buying a mac book [TS]
00:39:25 ◼ ► but I am thinking like I said of buying one of the other machines that may have this trackpad and. [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► and I'm assuming John you hate because you hate anything moving anywhere on your computer while I have spaces that I do [TS]
00:39:43 ◼ ► it them. Why do you hate spaces because if I don't ask I'm going to wonder the rest of the episode. I just couldn't. [TS]
00:40:01 ◼ ► Is going to screen for why or if I tried to make a decision like that. Through using the system. [TS]
00:40:05 ◼ ► I would inadvertently violate that by like accidently opening a web browser in this in the session. [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► I just don't have a system for it so I just end up making it. Making me have to look for stuff in two places. [TS]
00:40:19 ◼ ► And maybe it's just me maybe it's the way spaces work of course spaces of change how they work over the years [TS]
00:40:23 ◼ ► but it's a simple click it I really just Same reason or not to monitor that is one big monitor. And that's it. [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► and that also you don't want more space with spaces like the ideas I want everything to be within reach [TS]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and if I have to like do a gesture. And also I don't use trackpad like OK for saying like. [TS]
00:40:55 ◼ ► I'm more likely to both go full screen at the new spaces because if you have that sort of swell. [TS]
00:40:59 ◼ ► Swipe over to find something that is more natural but I don't use a track pad on my desktop [TS]
00:41:07 ◼ ► It's a pretty easy shortcut I mean I know the like it just it just makes it feel like things are farther away from my [TS]
00:41:14 ◼ ► and you know the I Os home screen just makes things go farther away from me not because I rather have him on the same [TS]
00:41:27 ◼ ► but the Magic Mouse because on the Magic Mouse of to to finger swipe to do the same action and. [TS]
00:41:33 ◼ ► And so from what I'm being told and. From what I've seen in the chat just a moment ago. [TS]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Apparently it's still possible but it's moved into accessibility preferences which is. [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► We're you saw in the chat that you as well as the notes yes but now it's just another set. I know. [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► or may not be the notes say unequivocally with a link to a screenshot showing you where this option is in the excess [TS]
00:42:02 ◼ ► Now there's no can OK you gotta look for the question mark. Question Mark was there. [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► Breaking news breaking news this is absolutely factual that. This is in the accessibility preference pain. [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Have anonymous tipster telling you it's like this guy look at a screen shot of the show not. [TS]
00:42:30 ◼ ► and it ties into sky like which are kept pushing often we talked about is the level we'll talk about a little later. [TS]
00:42:37 ◼ ► This is from Apple's web site I believe the most efficient way to charge a notebook is by connecting to a charger port [TS]
00:42:42 ◼ ► as long as we're going to include report for charging the new MacBook you want to make sure was the most advanced [TS]
00:42:46 ◼ ► and versatile one available. This ties into Also Scholer during the saying you know. [TS]
00:42:52 ◼ ► When's the most convenient a blogger cable and. This is a quote as that's when you want to charge quickly. [TS]
00:42:58 ◼ ► What it means charge quickly. What do you mean the most efficient way to charge a notebook. [TS]
00:43:04 ◼ ► Charge quickly versus what is there a slower way to charge a notebook like that that you're plug it in right. [TS]
00:43:09 ◼ ► It's so so people are saying this is like an indication of possible future inductive charging. [TS]
00:43:17 ◼ ► I think the most efficient way to charge a notebook is possibly really it's a powerful. They made a point Phil said. [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► That's what that's what they said so it could just be you know because induction charging I believe is. [TS]
00:43:35 ◼ ► We know it's lower I believe it's also less efficient like energy waste wise. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but. [TS]
00:43:44 ◼ ► Do you think it's like the opposite like where they're saying other people may have wireless charging [TS]
00:43:51 ◼ ► when you're saying it's very possible that was what he meant and also when you want to plug it in charge quickly. [TS]
00:43:59 ◼ ► You know it's kind of reinforce the idea that a the battery life is so great that you're not going to need to spend a [TS]
00:44:09 ◼ ► So that you know you're going to be unplugged and wireless and free like like using i Pads and see. [TS]
00:44:18 ◼ ► So I think that's where those quotes are coming from I don't think they were like foreshadowing. [TS]
00:44:23 ◼ ► A future of wireless charging notebooks which I still think for the most part are not a good idea because you have to [TS]
00:44:31 ◼ ► set like might let your toothbrush charges inductively. And it can do that because it. It's sitting on the charger. [TS]
00:44:37 ◼ ► The vast majority of its existence. The vast majority of every day it's on the charger and. [TS]
00:44:43 ◼ ► It's a really low power device. A laptop does not fit that profile so for a laptop to be. [TS]
00:44:50 ◼ ► Be able to be inductively charge you have to be able to get a ton of current in there. You know relative. [TS]
00:44:55 ◼ ► Relative to most inductive charging systems. You have to get a ton of current in there from. [TS]
00:44:59 ◼ ► From what some giant pad you stick it on a mean. Then you're to carry around a giant pad like there's. It's. [TS]
00:45:07 ◼ ► Sounds cool in theory but in reality I don't think it ever will hit that for laptops at least not for very long time. [TS]
00:45:16 ◼ ► and wireless stuff in general is part of Intel sky like initiative that you know they always have some technologies [TS]
00:45:21 ◼ ► they're pushing along with their new chips or whatever that aren't really related. Technically. [TS]
00:45:25 ◼ ► Sometimes there's some support in the C.P.U. For something or other or the chipset but anyway. [TS]
00:45:29 ◼ ► Because this is part of their push it probably means that P.C. Makers are going to roll this out to some degree and. [TS]
00:45:44 ◼ ► or no I don't know if they read on Apple's choice of words here. All of your interpretations. [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► I think the one that probably seems the truest is the idea that they are not planning on doing wireless charger [TS]
00:46:01 ◼ ► By saying we all polling is way more efficient you don't want that crappy wireless stuff we're all about plugging in. [TS]
00:46:06 ◼ ► You're going to want to plug in and that's why it's like when you want to charge quickly. [TS]
00:46:18 ◼ ► Because they know they don't have wireless charging available for sale now. And P.C. Makers will. And they probably. [TS]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Makers as I would also charges wireless here whenever Apple doesn't have an apple will want to emphasize the fact that [TS]
00:46:34 ◼ ► but it was not good enough for us that's why we don't have it plugging in is way better right nobody wants to watch a [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► But if it is if they can get it to work better this is the things is what I have we're we're skipping out of the follow [TS]
00:46:46 ◼ ► up and jumping right into the the topic here. Sky likes. Tech that they're promoting is not just wireless charging. [TS]
00:46:53 ◼ ► But also this wide I which is not a new wireless display and why gig for faster shorter range display and. [TS]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Why gig hubs for us be an ether net so like the idea is that you would just put your computer down on your desk. [TS]
00:47:06 ◼ ► And they'll be a box on your desk with anything like able connect to it in a bunch of U.S.B. [TS]
00:47:10 ◼ ► Things going into it and you don't have to plug anything at the ultimate docking station. [TS]
00:47:13 ◼ ► You just put your laptop down next to it. And your monitor lights up with the picture from your laptop. [TS]
00:47:18 ◼ ► And all your U.S.B. Devices that are there mount on the thing and you switch from from why five ether net. [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► Unlike wireless charging I don't see anything stopping these things from being any worse or [TS]
00:47:40 ◼ ► That is an experience that office workers I think with love and would not want to go back to clipping their stupid P.C. [TS]
00:47:49 ◼ ► Cable it's more it's a nicer experience to sit down at your desk put your thing down as long as it's with. [TS]
00:47:53 ◼ ► In five feet of that little box or good to go. That seems like the future to me go I agree. [TS]
00:47:59 ◼ ► Every time I think about a thunderbolt display. I get jealous because I still have no regular old. [TS]
00:48:24 ◼ ► and I gotta gotta be honest every time I see somebody just slam their Dell into one of these talking stations [TS]
00:48:37 ◼ ► The no wires thing is so much more difficult and has so many potential issues and shortcomings. [TS]
00:48:44 ◼ ► I would say the ideal scenario here is the one wire method which we we're now getting with us P.C. [TS]
00:48:50 ◼ ► So I mean I think we're pretty much. You know we're there. Why do you think the no IRA solution has problems. [TS]
00:48:59 ◼ ► Well because the new the new the issue of powering it like so you can have everything else except powers than how you [TS]
00:49:05 ◼ ► Oh no you're not the power of dogma I'm everything but the power I'm talking about just that's a big thing. [TS]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Sending a wireless signals to these devices there's not going to be any is going to be less power than why five because [TS]
00:49:18 ◼ ► the shorter range right so that the power is not a concern for the for the transmission in receiving [TS]
00:49:24 ◼ ► And if you're just worried about the fact that well now I'm sitting in Idaho not charging my mac. [TS]
00:49:29 ◼ ► That is the whole idea of like all day battery power you just charged at the end of the day and I think that will. [TS]
00:49:33 ◼ ► That will cure that already has cured itself for the bigger laptops that AMUN just want to talk about the thirteen inch [TS]
00:49:39 ◼ ► MacBook There. That gets you know you can. You can work on our for entire day you are not plug it in and. [TS]
00:49:45 ◼ ► If they can get the new MacBook up to that level which now it's probably borderline but it's close. [TS]
00:49:50 ◼ ► Then that's not an issue anymore like your entire working you only time you plug it in is when you leave for the night. [TS]
00:49:55 ◼ ► You know I mean. Yeah yeah I get it that's the dream. I think reality is going to be different for a long time. [TS]
00:50:04 ◼ ► I think the modern laptops can make it through a day like I see people going to meetings. [TS]
00:50:11 ◼ ► If you have it your house you're not going anywhere then why not just plug it in so maybe this isn't attractive [TS]
00:50:17 ◼ ► All I see all day are people with stupid docking stations are constantly plugging in [TS]
00:50:22 ◼ ► when I said at the desk they don't want to use a little out that play they want to use the big one right. [TS]
00:50:27 ◼ ► And the constant plug on plug to be able to just plop down and use it their battery a less than eight hours that U.V. [TS]
00:50:36 ◼ ► You know at the end I think there's a list the key is growing up like the apps that make your C.P.U. Suck. Yeah. [TS]
00:50:43 ◼ ► I don't know if people are running back and forth the means of Photoshop all the time [TS]
00:50:45 ◼ ► but I'm also dissing people who are typing all day so maybe assist the bias of being around a bunch of developers. [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► and it's you know they're not having a piling code because it's like the code is on the server right. It's buncha. [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► And a wireless hub like that are very attractive to me even for at home use how I would use it with my gigantic fifty [TS]
00:51:11 ◼ ► Just I would have to have only stupid wires going all over the place like that is a luxury that I'd be willing to pay [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and I don't have to figure out how to fish all these wires all over the place I would buy that for a computer that [TS]
00:51:26 ◼ ► or macro which would never happen so you know I just I just thought some crazy ass thought hey I've got P.C.I. [TS]
00:51:32 ◼ ► Slots for you I just put it now. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure that this technology will come in P.C.I. Express. [TS]
00:51:42 ◼ ► You know they have a whole daughter card I can but I bought a mac mini inside my macros case and you could fit. [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Of many magma keys inside your car is going to get rid of to optical drives a player a minute. Oh my God. [TS]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Enough to compute is one of those things that you don't want to think the brain in the. When you out of work it out. [TS]
00:52:12 ◼ ► That girl without kids and says put a red and blue to throttle so slow but the summer was just five bucks a month. [TS]
00:53:02 ◼ ► and they get out for the price of a cup of coffee say is who you work in the background you know. [TS]
00:53:23 ◼ ► With those files ready to go. Coast with just five bucks a month. They just bought.. [TS]
00:53:57 ◼ ► So go back Blaze dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot once again to back laidback Blaze dot com slash A.T.P. Right. [TS]
00:54:04 ◼ ► Is there anything else on Sky like or do you want to jump backwards in the notes to what to model lineup. [TS]
00:54:10 ◼ ► Yeah that's a quickie left over from last week I think you can jump backwards that briefly. [TS]
00:54:14 ◼ ► I put that in the jury mind me. This is kind of like a on the eve of the outer Apple Watch. [TS]
00:54:28 ◼ ► You know that everyone cares about his birth big test sort of getting out front of the shadow of Steve Jobs is no [TS]
00:54:33 ◼ ► longer the steward of the company taking control over. I started thinking back on like what. [TS]
00:54:40 ◼ ► What does Tim Cook Apple look like and how does it differ than Steve Jobs is Apple [TS]
00:54:44 ◼ ► and one particular way that I see a lot of people bring up lately and as thinking about as well as. [TS]
00:54:55 ◼ ► and a lot of people talk about all the model line up is getting more complicated and Steve Jobs. [TS]
00:55:04 ◼ ► Even though he goes on shows and says all the price can fit on this table. When you. [TS]
00:55:09 ◼ ► People most likely has the Apple website just look at all these for going to options it's not like telecom yet [TS]
00:55:35 ◼ ► but keeping albums around both us part of like the overall i O. S. Strategy but also like for the Macs and stuff. [TS]
00:55:41 ◼ ► A Steve Jobs style move would be to introduce the new MacBook and get rid of the errors. [TS]
00:55:47 ◼ ► Why would he do that because the. The errors are crap. Even if they were upgrade they wouldn't be as good. [TS]
00:55:53 ◼ ► This new one is the future of laptops. This is what you should be using this is the replacement for the errors. [TS]
00:55:58 ◼ ► You know will solve the inventory you have but this is the future and people would complain that they would say but [TS]
00:56:05 ◼ ► and there's no eleven inch model as love an inch MELHOR Thunderbolt and all these things. [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► Everyone get on board the new thing is the new thing and I can even look at the old thing [TS]
00:56:17 ◼ ► and I came in look at that all this it was so disgusted to me that we just need to get out of line and. [TS]
00:56:22 ◼ ► Tim Cook's philosophy is not like that Tim Cook's last the as far as I can tell is much more pragmatic to say although [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► There's no harm in keeping the other ones around until we have replacement told in fact we can revise them to make them [TS]
00:56:40 ◼ ► If people are buying them keep selling and why are we taking away models that people want to buy [TS]
00:56:51 ◼ ► and I don't have like huge dreams of supporting isn't just a general feeling from seeing the different model lines is [TS]
00:56:59 ◼ ► That is a difference between Tim Cook's Apple and Steve Jobs level besides things like obviously their demeanor [TS]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and all that other stuff that's kind of extracurricular like talk about the products and the product lines themselves. [TS]
00:57:13 ◼ ► Tim Cook's Apple seems much more like a regular business in that they're not going to leave money on the table [TS]
00:57:19 ◼ ► but pulling products that people still want to buy where Steve Jobs is Apple would pull products that people still want [TS]
00:57:24 ◼ ► to buy basically for philosophical reasons because they can't stand to look at the old ones because the new one is [TS]
00:57:29 ◼ ► And that's just what he wants to do see that is the strongest thing I felt about that can cook apple differs from Steve [TS]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and Steve Jobs that exact of the same thing as Tim Cook is doing on Christmas remember. No I think. [TS]
00:58:08 ◼ ► This is the new hotness you will like it or you will screw off and. I think with him it's. [TS]
00:58:15 ◼ ► It's a little like you had said John. Well what's going to hurt. And I think it's a lot of. [TS]
00:58:21 ◼ ► Well I know it's not going to hurt anything because I used to do this and I know how the supply chain works [TS]
00:58:29 ◼ ► I mean does that sound reasonable enough not supply them is like being counting about it that's that's a project of [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► like it's not going to make if you're just cents here because like Apple did keep all the models around. [TS]
00:58:39 ◼ ► When they had to it people in general point like they would they would often say this model will still be available [TS]
00:58:43 ◼ ► but only for education purposes like Steve Jobs wasn't totally out of touch with the needs of the customers of their [TS]
00:58:49 ◼ ► some big important customer base which used to be education back and they were saying like well. [TS]
00:58:53 ◼ ► Education really needs this or we're going to keep selling it but we're only going to sell to education. [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► and I'm sure there have been cases where Steve Jobs did not immediately wipe out the new model with the old models with [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► You could tell that you felt from him that he wanted you to like this new one as much as he does [TS]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and part of helping you along that path would be to take away the old one so your only choice is the new one right. [TS]
00:59:20 ◼ ► I mean I think this is kind of a combination of factors you know part of it is probably the Tim Cook. [TS]
00:59:27 ◼ ► You know method or Tim Cook's principles. Coming up and you know where this is the way he chooses to run things. [TS]
00:59:34 ◼ ► Under Steve to just corresponded with the rise of Tim Cook's authority and power in the company. [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► And as Steve started having more severe medical issues. In his last few years as Tim. You know ran more of the company. [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► I think it's also a sign of of Apple just maturing as a company they now have way more customers and they did before. [TS]
00:59:59 ◼ ► They have products to spend much larger price ranges you know the old the old small product lines were all expensive. [TS]
01:00:06 ◼ ► Now they have prices that now they have like products that start at moderate prices and go into expensive. [TS]
01:00:15 ◼ ► And also a lot of the technology really has slowed down I mean the phones keep advancing. [TS]
01:00:22 ◼ ► You know pretty pretty aggressively although even that started to learn a little bit. [TS]
01:00:26 ◼ ► But leave look at the MAC books and the mac in general advancement in P.C.'s has been and. [TS]
01:00:34 ◼ ► I'm including Macs in that advancement in P.C.'s has been pretty slow in the last five or ten years. The S.S.D. [TS]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Transition was the big thing that happened. And retina is happening you know. Mostly but it's happening more slowly. [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► Will both of those weapons will be but like. Once you go retina an S.S.D. Those are two big jumps. And then like C.P.U. [TS]
01:00:53 ◼ ► Use of kind of gone nowhere in the last few years that they've made very small improvements at best. You know. [TS]
01:00:59 ◼ ► Everything's kind of like not a not a standstill but certainly slowing down. And so you know. [TS]
01:01:11 ◼ ► The difference between between like the performance of the mac book air versus the performance of the fifteen inch. [TS]
01:01:21 ◼ ► You know from what most people do so there's all these like it just seems like the hardware has gotten so good that [TS]
01:01:26 ◼ ► there's you don't need to be as big of a rush to get rid of the old stuff. And the new stuff isn't. [TS]
01:01:31 ◼ ► So dramatically much better that everyone is forced or everyone is strongly encouraged to buy it instead. [TS]
01:01:41 ◼ ► or by keeping more lines around than the original you know Steve for boxes thing. I think it just allows them to serve. [TS]
01:01:50 ◼ ► In a way that doesn't necessarily hurt anybody it's not really that confusing for the most part you know occasionally [TS]
01:01:55 ◼ ► there's there's like some weird overlap but usually it's resolved within a couple years. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► I guessing for the most part this is just sign of both the P.C. Industry and Apple. Maturing. [TS]
01:02:10 ◼ ► Because I don't I can't decide which is which is particularly better which which shows more maturity because this. [TS]
01:02:17 ◼ ► The type of thing of keeping products around is just like lots of business always does like. [TS]
01:02:24 ◼ ► or old company all companies go because it's basically a smarter business perspective like people want to give you [TS]
01:02:28 ◼ ► money for product keep selling it to them until it doesn't make sense for yourself home for years not enough people buy [TS]
01:02:32 ◼ ► it like the seventeen inch MacBook or whatever whatever was called and I want to I didn't go away. [TS]
01:02:41 ◼ ► Let's you know why the macro didn't get updated for a long time you know like volumes can make your disk into your [TS]
01:02:46 ◼ ► product line but when you how something like this for the new MacBook comes out and like. [TS]
01:02:57 ◼ ► and like people expected to call in air and wipe out all the as they like this is. [TS]
01:03:01 ◼ ► This is a discontinuity in the same way the first air was a discontinuity in the first year nobody was it's constantly [TS]
01:03:06 ◼ ► in the laptop design is clearly this is the spearhead of the new design philosophy for laptops like. [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► There's been generations that is good Rev Dr driven and the retina. And then you know then this is like. I would. [TS]
01:03:24 ◼ ► Aluminum and then I guess first there was the first you know bodies of two and one. [TS]
01:03:41 ◼ ► And like it's such an overlap like why can't you understand keeping like maybe an old thing around [TS]
01:03:48 ◼ ► but like the overlap with the heiress is insane with this thing like. It's like what. What do you. [TS]
01:03:57 ◼ ► Future of things that you can still buy the other ones why would I bother the ones [TS]
01:04:04 ◼ ► I guess it's like the crappy screen versus non crappy screen but why keep around the ball at the crack of screen like. [TS]
01:04:12 ◼ ► but I totally believe that Steve Jobs would have gotten rid of the errors like you were sold out the M. [TS]
01:04:19 ◼ ► And that would have taken a spawn a line for a while the line would not be correctly proportion [TS]
01:04:27 ◼ ► and philosophy is of course you keeps on the air as eventually we won't eventually they'll go away obviously we're not [TS]
01:04:34 ◼ ► or if we do they're going to they're going to transform to be things that have wonder your U.S.B. Seaports on right. [TS]
01:04:38 ◼ ► Like no one expects the arest the next version of the heirs to still have thunderbolt ports on them right like they're [TS]
01:04:44 ◼ ► going to all look like the new MacBook and so will the pros eventually in terms of the port layout [TS]
01:04:48 ◼ ► and everyone not that is the new design philosophy is just weird to see. I'm co-existing I think the. [TS]
01:04:56 ◼ ► and sort of expresses the intent of Apple like their vision of technology out into the world in a way. [TS]
01:05:05 ◼ ► In the same way that annoys people who take away their products it sends a message to everyone else alike. [TS]
01:05:09 ◼ ► This is our vision of the future and we are leading right. And then Tim Cook way is more sort of. [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► This is our vision of the future but we understand if you're not ready for it yet. [TS]
01:05:18 ◼ ► We also have another product it's actually pretty darn good you can still buy it. Eventual you they'll go away. [TS]
01:05:29 ◼ ► It's probably better for the business business why short term I don't know if it's better long term if taken to its [TS]
01:05:36 ◼ ► Where you just sell models forever until people stop buying them because I think people will continue to buy models [TS]
01:05:44 ◼ ► and sometimes you have to sort of heard them along to the new model by taking away the old model the same time you [TS]
01:05:48 ◼ ► bring in the new ones you know that's fair I mean I think maybe a lot of it might have to do with how much of a [TS]
01:05:53 ◼ ► compromise in certain ways the new one is for the album like The Great example I think of Steve killing off an old [TS]
01:05:59 ◼ ► product. When the new and came out was the i Pad at the i Pod mini go at the i Pod Nano. [TS]
01:06:07 ◼ ► and he even said onstage is like the i Pod mini like our best selling i Pod ever and we're discontinuing to today. [TS]
01:06:13 ◼ ► And people were kept buying the many if they kept selling it it came in more colors. [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► People loved it the form factor in every even though you looked like Who the hell would buy this thing [TS]
01:06:32 ◼ ► And like by making that decision it wasn't just bold in showing their vision the future. It was. [TS]
01:06:39 ◼ ► Forcing the world to move on faster than they would have otherwise which is upsetting to some people. [TS]
01:06:44 ◼ ► But has that you know it's the advantage that Bill has that they can sort of heard their customer base along at a [TS]
01:06:51 ◼ ► faster clip than everybody else because they're not afraid to take away. Products The customer still like. [TS]
01:06:56 ◼ ► Well but in that example of the i Pod Mini the Nano like the way the Nano was worse than the many [TS]
01:07:06 ◼ ► but not by a whole I think it was like six gigs versus For some like that like it was it was it was a relatively small [TS]
01:07:19 ◼ ► and if your first gen project has some sort of problems like oh all of us by the open always I can't detect that one [TS]
01:07:25 ◼ ► Well the for the most part you know I don't think people are doing that kind of calculus of like oh well let me just [TS]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and I don't think anybody except you put that much thought into that but like that was nice [TS]
01:07:35 ◼ ► and easy transition to force because the new one was a lot better in some really critical ways. And the old. [TS]
01:07:42 ◼ ► And it wasn't and the ways in which it was worse than the old one or more linen. Were fairly minor. Whereas with. [TS]
01:07:57 ◼ ► Are pretty big Still it's pretty substantial like the port differences are massive the keyboard might be significantly [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► And then in these new ways it is way better it is you know Stener lighter somewhat longer battery life in the at least [TS]
01:08:15 ◼ ► the eleven inch probably. It's also although unfortunately it's also probably a lot slower. C.P.U. Wise. [TS]
01:08:22 ◼ ► So you know there's this one. I think it's. You can look at at the you know the. The easy transition. [TS]
01:08:30 ◼ ► Of the i Pod Mini to nano that that's a no brainer. Is the mac book Air two new Macbook. I think forcing that. [TS]
01:08:43 ◼ ► That would be I think a lot more damaging especially because the next book airline. [TS]
01:08:49 ◼ ► Maybe not eleven I don't know but probably thirteen. That's probably their best selling computer. [TS]
01:08:55 ◼ ► That's the Tim Cook reason not the right of the people as the buying the time of them [TS]
01:09:02 ◼ ► I Pod many people are buying it on and I'm thinking of even more boring one like.. [TS]
01:09:05 ◼ ► When the the I figure what you want to call the the I'm act with the big metal arm with the first flat panel i Mac. [TS]
01:09:11 ◼ ► Yeah right so the previous IMAX with the C.R.T.'s with all the pretty colors people were kept buying them too [TS]
01:09:16 ◼ ► especially if they were slightly cheaper or got slightly cheaper in the thing came out [TS]
01:09:22 ◼ ► and probably were not going to do again this week but the Apple T.V. Is another example. [TS]
01:09:26 ◼ ► Do you think they'll keep selling the sixty nine dollars one when the new one comes out. Maybe. [TS]
01:09:31 ◼ ► As a temp cook kind of thing to do right but at the of jobs thing is this is the new Apple T.V. [TS]
01:09:35 ◼ ► In the old one has gone this is the new I'm not going the all I'm ACAS gone right. [TS]
01:09:39 ◼ ► Well I believe the whole thing everyone's jumping on about how they said. The Apple T.V. [TS]
01:09:43 ◼ ► Starting at six you know I think that tells you right there that that that I don't think you need to see that to know [TS]
01:09:51 ◼ ► And when they dropped over the drop the price on the old one of course they're going to know that [TS]
01:09:57 ◼ ► It's not going to this is going to say this is going to be for sale at this price. [TS]
01:10:07 ◼ ► It's going to keep being sold for ever going to have a five. Look they're still selling the for can i Pod Touch. [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► Less updated in what twenty twelve and on yeah. That's less like this this type of this type of philosophy. [TS]
01:10:25 ◼ ► You keep selling products as long as people keep wanting to buy them. Within reason. [TS]
01:10:37 ◼ ► but if they're still placing a product line well just you know like the i Pod That's why they still even exist. Well. [TS]
01:10:43 ◼ ► I mean they don't sell a lot of them we see their sales number it's not as does the tons of people selling them [TS]
01:10:51 ◼ ► Whereas at this point I think Steve Jobs would have lost faith in the. I Pod Touch is a product. Yes canned it. [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► I mean they're still selling the. The non Breton a MacBook Pro with the with the D.V.D. [TS]
01:11:01 ◼ ► Rom drive I know I know with the optical drive again because like optical drives we're taking the also guys away soon [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► they'll be gone from all our products except this one thing will linger on forever. [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► Because we know that is somehow enough people who want to buy it with an optical drive is not just educated like [TS]
01:11:14 ◼ ► education nothing like corporate sales or education where it's like we demand this and we're a big customer. [TS]
01:11:18 ◼ ► You know they've always been able to you know sudden Fashoda happens to make specific products. [TS]
01:11:27 ◼ ► Now that was keep other ones around but they're just you know how being the woman the CD drive in it [TS]
01:11:40 ◼ ► but it is definitely not like Apple clearly speaking out and saying this is the future these are our products and. [TS]
01:11:47 ◼ ► I think Tim Cook's table where he keeps all the products. Is going to have to be a pretty darn big table pretty soon. [TS]
01:11:52 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that that that that that big glass watch box takes up probably half the table now. [TS]
01:11:56 ◼ ► You know the watches you can put in a jumble in a pile but you don't have all the different varieties of mac books [TS]
01:12:06 ◼ ► The color of of like the i Pad and everything that does each color Council although if you. [TS]
01:12:10 ◼ ► If you line i Pads up like a bookshelf like on the on there and when they just you know. [TS]
01:12:21 ◼ ► The three day strike you start stacking it all of our products. Fold flat except for I guess the i Macin. [TS]
01:12:35 ◼ ► and I mean all of them I want all the colours all the bands for all the watches all the different models of i Pads of a [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► Let's before we forget since it's a sense of been an entire show plus an entire hour. [TS]
01:12:56 ◼ ► Since the intent of thing was an ounce and we still haven't talked about it. Let's talk about than Tendo thing now. [TS]
01:13:01 ◼ ► All right so John. Who didn't intend to sell to. Nobody insult anybody they did a partnership deal with D.N.A. [TS]
01:13:08 ◼ ► Which is spelled capital D. Lower case the capital and capital as a Instead of day knowledge better. [TS]
01:13:22 ◼ ► and this is basically an intended saying we don't know how to make mobile games. We need mobile games quickly. [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► Therefore this company that we're going to partner with will make Mohe aims for us using our intellectual property. [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► Is still in a position strong enough to make this partnership the way they usually do which is. [TS]
01:13:49 ◼ ► But we will tell you that your game is crappy and tell you how to change is sort of like [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► All right or a studio to make a Metro front right you know they're making Metroid Prime and then me emoticons [TS]
01:14:08 ◼ ► We want you to do the part that you're good at which is we have no idea how to do this mobile. [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► We are Nintendo will tell you when you've done a good enough job this partnership deal heavily favors us. [TS]
01:14:37 ◼ ► We need games we need revenue we can ignore mobile we also can't make mobile games on our own I think partnering is [TS]
01:14:44 ◼ ► probably a good idea because intended shown they're fairly incompetent all the parts of making games except the part [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► Box Live type stuff app store trying to buy digitally buy games from intend I was like pulling teeth. [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► Like have to have they never would you know the joke is always like that all the internals employees are never allowed [TS]
01:15:14 ◼ ► You know if you find yourself entering friend codes are trying to buy something from the shop [TS]
01:15:18 ◼ ► and going through eight thousand steps are trying to transfer your stuff from one of the tennis platforms to another [TS]
01:15:28 ◼ ► Not to use your account which is just mind boggling and it's wrong this and craziness [TS]
01:15:42 ◼ ► And I don't I'm not quite sure what's going to come of it a partner should be able to mean anything by having announced [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► any games all they said is all of an intended intellectual property that for grabs. [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► And hopefully some fruit will come from this. In the future of all is that by the whether or not porting their games. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Insert your favorite intend no game here is going to appear on your old phone because it's not there absolutely not [TS]
01:16:08 ◼ ► and those new games I think are not going to be what intended fans want it's not like oh God I would love it to the [TS]
01:16:16 ◼ ► I'm thinking that's not what you're going to get like me going to get something more like the pokémon shuffle game [TS]
01:16:30 ◼ ► But it is not let me just take what I think of as a typical intended console or handheld game. [TS]
01:16:37 ◼ ► and B That's just not what this partnership seems like it's about to me. Well I think it. [TS]
01:16:42 ◼ ► I don't think that's a big of a problem as some people are going to say because Nintendo's fans are already buying [TS]
01:16:49 ◼ ► their stuff. This is not to attract intended fans. To suddenly start playing tennis games on their smartphones. [TS]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Because if your intent of fan you already have one of their systems or at least weather systems [TS]
01:17:00 ◼ ► and you know you're already buying all the little plastic sets or isn't everything and you're fine. [TS]
01:17:05 ◼ ► This is trying I was sume. This is trying to attract new customers who don't who aren't yet Nintendo fans. [TS]
01:17:12 ◼ ► And this I think is going to be a real uphill battle for them. I really don't see this succeeding. [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► I mean I could be wrong I'm wrong about a lot of things but I think this is going to be tough because you know. [TS]
01:17:24 ◼ ► The risk of the games being crappy. Or at least. Nothing special is very high. You know as you said. It sounds like. [TS]
01:17:37 ◼ ► So you know they're serious about it but I think that these are big going to be D.N.A. [TS]
01:17:46 ◼ ► Well that's what I was getting into me I'm out of coming is calling them because their game is not good enough because [TS]
01:17:58 ◼ ► And so they have a lot of control over how. Like. Because they're saying you can use any of our IP. [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► I think the Senate is still going to be very protective of his IP and not inclined to release a game that's terrible [TS]
01:18:09 ◼ ► and I think you're right about like this is aimed at it's money that's been left in the tables and look. [TS]
01:18:14 ◼ ► These people are never going to buy into no council. But they would totally willingly buy a one dollar. [TS]
01:18:26 ◼ ► There were US just like they will buy this I was game. It won't cost us that much to make it. [TS]
01:18:32 ◼ ► It's not like we're saying oh we're going to make this game is that a Instead of a new real Mario game we're going to [TS]
01:18:37 ◼ ► go to games that have a new console Metra know they're going to still make all those games. [TS]
01:18:55 ◼ ► Making that those parts of the games but we don't need to build those activities and house. [TS]
01:19:00 ◼ ► We don't need to be distract our engineers from there you know working on next generation [TS]
01:19:05 ◼ ► and help flesh consol project. We can just partner with this. And then we can drive this partner who is the. [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► The junior partner to make sure that they are respectable our intellectual property [TS]
01:19:19 ◼ ► and is confident is going to set the world on fire is going to be graded maybe one even sells much cross hero. [TS]
01:19:30 ◼ ► The intellectual property is the real valuable thing and that's what's going to make someone buy this game versus. [TS]
01:19:35 ◼ ► You know any other random game with less recognizable characters in the secondary effect is. [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► Possibly it could have the effect of scrubbing at least I was story clean of the million games that have pictures of [TS]
01:19:50 ◼ ► So the idea that that people will value these games higher because they have intend to IP and them. [TS]
01:19:56 ◼ ► I'm not sure that's a given out at the it's a given they will they will buy them more I don't though value them higher [TS]
01:20:04 ◼ ► But like I would bet the vast majority of people who buy games I us have never heard of Mario. [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► They don't everybody sort of morrow. More people or be alert and then Mickey Mouse. [TS]
01:20:16 ◼ ► I would bet that the average age of Iowa violence game buyers is low. First of all. Lower than you know. Thirty five. [TS]
01:20:29 ◼ ► And if if the people they're trying to attract are new fans who don't already have Nintendo alliance or allegiance. [TS]
01:20:40 ◼ ► Not that they're new fans it's that there are people who it's like the same way the aware of Mickey Mouse maybe you [TS]
01:20:46 ◼ ► never go to Disney World. It's like I'm never going to buy a Nintendo console cause I'm an X. Box guy. [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► But I heard all those intended characters and if that. And I will buy a one dollar game. [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► when in fact the marrow one dollar game is more likely to be advertised to be featured for my friends to Bought it is [TS]
01:21:06 ◼ ► And as you said or it could drive it in a way that you make people buy crappy games [TS]
01:21:14 ◼ ► and sell here in to find people who've never heard of him are your fine people who yeah I've heard of Mary [TS]
01:21:18 ◼ ► but I'm still not going to buy Nintendo console. But you will tap the button for ninety nine cents.. [TS]
01:21:22 ◼ ► Also you forget Marco that. Console's least the way I define them aren't necessarily tied to a T.V. [TS]
01:21:34 ◼ ► As far as I knew even reasonably little kids today are still using like three D.S. Is and things like that. [TS]
01:21:44 ◼ ► Is that has been more successful than the review which is not saying much because the radio's been variance [TS]
01:21:51 ◼ ► These are old rumors Who knows with Beltre now is the idea that they would be unifying their platform so that they're [TS]
01:21:58 ◼ ► Whether that means they're going to really something that works with a handheld system but can also. Look up your T.V. [TS]
01:22:02 ◼ ► or Whether it just means of they're going to use the same underlying technology so there's not this Gulf. [TS]
01:22:06 ◼ ► So they have to develop a game twice because the. You know in the same way that desktop and laptop. [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► Performance has been becoming closer. Now handheld performance and least in the way he was gay. [TS]
01:22:18 ◼ ► You can imagine intent on making with single reading a game that runs both on their T.V. [TS]
01:22:23 ◼ ► Connected console and on their hand held one whether those are two separate devices or not. [TS]
01:22:27 ◼ ► Basically because handheld console have good good enough graphics now that you wouldn't be embarrassing them on the [TS]
01:22:31 ◼ ► and That was that as you know many years ago that was not the case they've been converging towards each other so that [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► What about the people who are never going to buy are plenty of those type of games they only will they will only ever [TS]
01:22:49 ◼ ► Why are we not selling them something right know I'm responding to Marco saying nobody knows who Mario is in somebody's [TS]
01:22:55 ◼ ► words and. I think that a lot more people know who Mario is even today even young people than you would suspect. [TS]
01:23:02 ◼ ► Another thing that I don't think we're considering is. I've got to imagine that. If Nintendo released an avid game. [TS]
01:23:12 ◼ ► That Apple will fall all over them and they'll be featured in the be all sorts of app store marketing and. [TS]
01:23:23 ◼ ► I just saw a screenshot today on Twitter of a game called Apple Watch it. Which is a great name. [TS]
01:23:31 ◼ ► And the icon is link as an intended intellectual property that's the icon for the out by the way. [TS]
01:23:40 ◼ ► To shoot an arrow off the head of somebody so it's got the Apple Watch. Like you know keyword trolling. [TS]
01:23:49 ◼ ► And that is like on the App Store right now you know underscore tweeted that earlier. Like. [TS]
01:23:54 ◼ ► I spent ten just I mean I know it's not clear sponsibility to police these things but no it is. [TS]
01:23:58 ◼ ► You would think that Nintendo would wake up like an intent of going to hire one person all day just to go through the [TS]
01:24:15 ◼ ► It's bureaucracy all you need is your own bureaucrat to communicate with their bureaucrats and bureaucratese [TS]
01:24:20 ◼ ► and everything would be great if Nintendo could get the sweet deal that music and video. [TS]
01:24:29 ◼ ► Copyright owners have with You Tube where You Tube does the policing for them and just take down anything that has. [TS]
01:24:34 ◼ ► That looks like it might be copyrighted in any way. It like preemptively takes it down. [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► I mean I know it's different now but that's like that's its origin in the fact that they'll do it preemptively [TS]
01:24:52 ◼ ► and on behalf like Apple system is the one actually that makes sense it's like look it's not our job to police your [TS]
01:24:56 ◼ ► intellectual property if you see someone following your intellectual property tell us and even then Apple will favour. [TS]
01:25:03 ◼ ► and take down I think like You Tube The big thing is like those edges the every frame a painting. [TS]
01:25:18 ◼ ► but it's fair use because like he's using it to talk about film right he's not putting the entire movie up [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► and then he has to go through this bureaucratic process where they tell me I've taken down here to fill out a form [TS]
01:25:41 ◼ ► It's terrible that like you are a spree sume to guilty and have to prove your innocence. [TS]
01:25:49 ◼ ► We notice that you're using copyright stuff we take you down immediately. If you think this is an error. [TS]
01:25:53 ◼ ► Please fill out these eighteen forms and fight with this record company. Movie studio or whatever. [TS]
01:26:01 ◼ ► We're taking it all but a court and I knew then they win because you can't afford to hire a lawyer. [TS]
01:26:04 ◼ ► But for the most part just a matter of filling out forms repeatedly to get you to bring it back up but anyway. [TS]
01:26:10 ◼ ► What I'm getting as an intended should at least have somebody looking at the friggin started filling out the forms [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► This shows that it was in tennis blindspot. Why are you pretending mobile games don't exist on phones. [TS]
01:26:23 ◼ ► Why can't you put something there. Which is very different than the idea. In tender you should stop making. [TS]
01:26:28 ◼ ► Consols you start making handheld you should start making games that work on consuls and handheld [TS]
01:26:33 ◼ ► and concert entirely and making games that work on mobile devices which is not what they're doing. [TS]
01:26:40 ◼ ► Basically for the survival of the company to say there is money available out there that we're not taking. [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► And we need to take it because we're not doing that hot because nobody's buying we use [TS]
01:26:49 ◼ ► and not many people buying three D.S. Is. That's kind of set. Yeah but I don't I mean. [TS]
01:26:55 ◼ ► We'll see again I'm wrong a lot but I don't think this is going to solve that problem. Well. They still have. [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► I mean their root problem is still the same. You need to go again as I said in the one times in the past. [TS]
01:27:06 ◼ ► If there exists a market for devices that mostly pay games. It is possible for Apple or Apple for an. [TS]
01:27:16 ◼ ► But it is possible because they have all the skills necessary to do well enough and that market. [TS]
01:27:35 ◼ ► or they'd have to go Sagan say all we do now is make software for other people's platforms. [TS]
01:27:40 ◼ ► I OS Android whatever else are out there and they were great for sig. Exactly right and so you know about it right now. [TS]
01:27:47 ◼ ► There is definitely a market for home console decks loss one to Play Station four doing well in ten years not doing [TS]
01:27:52 ◼ ► well because they made a bad product that people don't want. So well no they have a second chance. Next. [TS]
01:27:57 ◼ ► Is there going to be a next generation of consuls will there be a Playstation five a next box know what the hell [TS]
01:28:03 ◼ ► they're going in the next one that's their problem. Whatever. If there is a next generation or product X. Box ten. [TS]
01:28:08 ◼ ► Yeah why not want to just get to ten like Windows. Nintendo may have a second shot at this right. And that's very the X. [TS]
01:28:17 ◼ ► but they're with their next shot hopefully not wholly they will learn from their past mistakes. [TS]
01:28:24 ◼ ► That's that's the root problem it's like. This is kind of keeping the boat afloat and maybe getting some money. [TS]
01:28:35 ◼ ► Game that interacts with the game that is available on the way you feel like companion apps type of things they do that [TS]
01:28:39 ◼ ► like mac apps with as a companion. I OS app or websites as a companion I always thought like. [TS]
01:28:46 ◼ ► But this is all just kind of like let's keep the lights on and fund our next thing [TS]
01:28:51 ◼ ► but the real the real proof of whether Nintendo is going to go the route of Sega or be resurgent is is. [TS]
01:28:57 ◼ ► There are next generation of Consols and if there is doesn't intend to do a good job [TS]
01:29:02 ◼ ► and the rumors of the Nintendos is because the we use done so terribly is going to be like yeah yeah we will make the [TS]
01:29:09 ◼ ► games we said we're going to make for it but we're kind of in a hurry to sort of shuffle the way you off the stage [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► and show you our next thing like that they will be the first ones out of the gated. P.S. or An X. [TS]
01:29:17 ◼ ► Box One will go link gone many many years after Nintendo has already revved to do the next generation console [TS]
01:29:23 ◼ ► but we'll see if the have to make a good console this ought to make good games that people want to play. [TS]
01:29:27 ◼ ► They have to make the right choices. That's that's what the future of the company is staked on not so much this deal. [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► So before we go I have curiosity. If you had to pick one. Existing piece of IP to be made into an I O. S. [TS]
01:29:43 ◼ ► Game what would that be and I missed the obvious answer is all that because I know you love it so much [TS]
01:29:53 ◼ ► The problem is all the intellectual property that I really care about from Nintendo. I like. [TS]
01:29:59 ◼ ► Because of the games they were featured in and most of those games are console games [TS]
01:30:02 ◼ ► and console games tend not to translate well to a touchscreen or to like. I was type gaming. You know. [TS]
01:30:18 ◼ ► or on P.C.'s because it's just a different play environment like internet runners Tower Defense Board games all those. [TS]
01:30:25 ◼ ► John rose. Work on a tiny little touch screen. None of those genres of the genres that you know. Metroid or Zelda. [TS]
01:30:36 ◼ ► On how well the other like it's the degenerate that become popular on each platform become popular reason so I think. [TS]
01:30:43 ◼ ► There's no particular enjoy actual property that I think would translate. Really well maybe Starfox. [TS]
01:30:53 ◼ ► It's more like what Marco was saying only not quite cynical version where it's like they're going to make a game not [TS]
01:30:58 ◼ ► going to say this is the silly example like make a match for a game of Poland Tendo characters in the little things [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► or some kind of tower defense game some kind of board game where the bunching intended faces on things [TS]
01:31:14 ◼ ► but actually done well because all those honors can be done when the poor realm poke out those adventure. [TS]
01:31:19 ◼ ► It's kind of like an infinite runner but if you do a really really good job with it. [TS]
01:31:22 ◼ ► It can stand head and shoulders above the other games. That do similar things right. [TS]
01:31:32 ◼ ► and so I should probably have almost nothing to do with the character isn't everything to do with the games they appear [TS]
01:31:36 ◼ ► in because those games have been exemplary. That is what that's why Sonic is not valued anymore. [TS]
01:31:41 ◼ ► No one cares about sonic if he repeatedly appears in crap games then you're like you know what Sonic suck science [TS]
01:31:52 ◼ ► Because they make awesome games they respect that IP so much they do not allow Mario to being. [TS]
01:31:57 ◼ ► Again he's in a real Mario platform game. They polish the hell out of a game. That's why you know. Super three D. [TS]
01:32:04 ◼ ► World and America galaxy area that's why I feel still of America's i know when I see him in a game and he is [TS]
01:32:10 ◼ ► or it is going to be an amazingly good game worries me sonic And again you're like why even bother it's going to be [TS]
01:32:16 ◼ ► crap. And it is my worry for Nintendo is you know. You keep saying which I think is a good argument that. [TS]
01:32:27 ◼ ► So they can still survive as long as there is a market for dedicated console. Things basically. [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► My worry is that the things that they are not good at what you were saying earlier you know like all the social [TS]
01:32:38 ◼ ► and online an app store kind of thing. If you look at what the people who still buy consuls today. [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► What do they value what's important. What succeeds. Among the kind of consul the sell well today. [TS]
01:32:54 ◼ ► I think that like Nintendo has really suffered in so many of those areas that matter a lot today. [TS]
01:33:04 ◼ ► And so much of what intend to used to have a total monopoly on which was like like kind of nerd high quality [TS]
01:33:14 ◼ ► And so what you're left with on the console side is people who like first person shooters a lot. [TS]
01:33:22 ◼ ► Online play and online app stores and stuff like that so like the console market still exists. [TS]
01:33:37 ◼ ► I think it disproportionate amount of those have moved to mobile for casual gaming. That's part of the D.N.A. [TS]
01:33:43 ◼ ► Deal actually of the product highlighted in this final thing like intended or has tried to various times. [TS]
01:33:48 ◼ ► To implement what I think is everyone. Like they should gestate children. How do online accounts work. [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► That's it no matter what device you buy you sign with a username all the stuff you bought is there. [TS]
01:34:08 ◼ ► They got rid of this Klugman Tendo membership thing in The Contender networking and they're replacing it with a sane. [TS]
01:34:18 ◼ ► and like Netflix like whatever like all your stuff is that your account. That's how it works. D.N.A. [TS]
01:34:31 ◼ ► but they've proven that they can't make that thing a part of the partnership deal is. [TS]
01:34:38 ◼ ► and you know OK they will do it so they're there at least recognizing the parts where they're weak [TS]
01:34:44 ◼ ► I think Nintendo can live on in the same way that sort of indie game studios live on like you don't have to make call [TS]
01:34:55 ◼ ► I called Marty for three games on the hopper oval like games that connoisseurs appreciate people who appreciate the [TS]
01:35:01 ◼ ► fact that a really good Zelda game is not the same as just any random adventure game [TS]
01:35:06 ◼ ► or that a really good marriage game is not the same just any random platformer that Nintendo is still the best in the [TS]
01:35:11 ◼ ► world. At the few things that it does. They're just bad the surrounding stuff and. [TS]
01:35:19 ◼ ► You're driving the cart most of the time her credit is an amazing game when you're driving. [TS]
01:35:24 ◼ ► It is not an amazing him because you can can't even handle doing the menu systems that well. [TS]
01:35:29 ◼ ► Same thing with Super Smash Brothers same thing with the Numero games they are amazing when you are playing [TS]
01:35:35 ◼ ► and there was still the best in the world doing that type of game. Can they survive. [TS]
01:35:41 ◼ ► Just with just that skill that you need ancillary supporting skills that I think they can survive. [TS]
01:35:47 ◼ ► Like you know to make kind of like a lifestyle business where like you're just making enough money to support yourself [TS]
01:35:52 ◼ ► Nintendo could be like a lifestyle console this is long as anyone supplying any kind of consuls. [TS]
01:36:01 ◼ ► Like first party and attend all games like five other games you could possibly care about. [TS]
01:36:08 ◼ ► But didn't put the company out of business like. Nintendo could could live on past sort of the. [TS]
01:36:15 ◼ ► and dedicated consuls just just continuing to sell to the people who appreciate how much better. [TS]
01:36:23 ◼ ► And you're right that is not as many of those because most people who want casual games I want call duty [TS]
01:36:30 ◼ ► Grand Theft Auto and they're not going to make call duty and you know. For the I.R.S. [TS]
01:36:38 ◼ ► Their expertise is in those type of things you know I think we talk about this before I think to like me about it was [TS]
01:36:47 ◼ ► And his the people he taught will not live forever like when the generational turnover happens. Are they have enough. [TS]
01:36:53 ◼ ► Shared culture Nintendo could to continue to do continue to make games like the ones they have made in the past several [TS]
01:37:02 ◼ ► At the same level they've been making them when all the people who originally sort of brought them to that higher gone. [TS]
01:37:08 ◼ ► All right thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week. Cards Against Humanity. Automatic and back please. [TS]
01:37:14 ◼ ► And we will see you next week. Now the show is over. They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. [TS]
01:37:34 ◼ ► Because it was then going to dance to it was accidental. And you've got a bunch of that A.B.C. [TS]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and the an anti Markel Ahmed Omar study says the risky is so do we want to talk about this. Top Gear. [TS]
01:38:21 ◼ ► Frak to skirt fossil. You do. Disaster. I do. I do. I'm sad. Guys. And sad. Yeah. Mourned the passing of Top Gear. [TS]
01:38:38 ◼ ► I forget that percent number off hand of these series five an episode eight and the race across Japan. [TS]
01:38:45 ◼ ► Totally forget the absent ember there but we watched it simultaneously and were I'm messaging back [TS]
01:38:56 ◼ ► I don't know some stupid children show ANY WAY TO MAKE A When Harry Met Sally reference [TS]
01:39:06 ◼ ► But it said and you know it's frustrating because a lot of people like C.M.F. In the chatter. [TS]
01:39:12 ◼ ► Are seem to think that any time you bring up. Top Gear. Their purpose in life is to explain that Clarkson is a jerk. [TS]
01:39:24 ◼ ► And he should rot in. You know whatever. The opposite of Heaven is in your particular belief system. So inclusive. [TS]
01:39:32 ◼ ► So I don't understand that perspective. In that. I don't understand why this is binary. [TS]
01:39:39 ◼ ► Why can't I think that Clarkson. Is a jerk. And yet enjoy that the T.V. Show that he is a part of like. [TS]
01:39:50 ◼ ► Why is it have to be all or none and. Regardless of the answer there. The fact the matter is I like it's Top Gear. [TS]
01:40:02 ◼ ► You can think that I'm supporting things that Clarkson stands for which I'm not really sure how you make that leap fine. [TS]
01:40:08 ◼ ► Go ahead. But in the end of the day I love the show. I still love the show. I'm sad that it's ended. [TS]
01:40:17 ◼ ► Maybe something will come from the ashes and maybe there will be something even better but I'm sad that it ended. [TS]
01:40:22 ◼ ► I'm pissed off that Clarkson decided that a lunch or dinner or whatever it was was enough to punch somebody over [TS]
01:40:29 ◼ ► and ruined it for all of us but it is what it is and I'm sad. I think I got explain why people can't. [TS]
01:40:39 ◼ ► Square the idea of you liking the show but a green of the guys big jerk. Because like. [TS]
01:40:45 ◼ ► Everyone has their limit of what you're going to support like Mel Gibson is another example like you know anti-Semitic [TS]
01:40:54 ◼ ► Right but I'm just not like some of what I'm trying to get it is that the. There's a continuum like at a certain point. [TS]
01:41:03 ◼ ► or does something that puts them over the line it's like an actor is actually it's a even bigger lines it's like well I [TS]
01:41:09 ◼ ► can still enjoy the movie they're in because they're not them they're being an actor right. [TS]
01:41:12 ◼ ► Whereas Clarkson is like essential himself he's not playing a role in you know in a formal sense. [TS]
01:41:17 ◼ ► Right so there's more of a close connection so like just just just for the What Would car can have to do for you to not [TS]
01:41:25 ◼ ► be able to invite him. Enjoy him on top of your anymore like obviously this there's a line. [TS]
01:41:29 ◼ ► You know what is your personal line the reason why people can square it is that he crossed their personal line possibly [TS]
01:41:34 ◼ ► cross that already with like you know. Racist remarks but they were in Thailand or whatever right. [TS]
01:41:42 ◼ ► And I find I'm comfortable that we talk about the sun up so being comparable with like our author authors like Orson [TS]
01:41:53 ◼ ► Terrible bigotry about homosexuals is just just can't stand it like can you like the book Ender's Game. [TS]
01:42:00 ◼ ► and again I think authors is easy to do that too because they've made us work of fiction you love the work of fiction [TS]
01:42:07 ◼ ► So it's probably pretty the line for him to cross for people not to be able to enjoy the show anymore. [TS]
01:42:21 ◼ ► He crossed a line I didn't like I'm ready and he now he got what he deserved so that's why I think. [TS]
01:42:25 ◼ ► And you know he obviously hasn't crossed your line of not saying your line is wrong other people lines are right [TS]
01:42:29 ◼ ► but that's why so many people are surprised by the fact that you can still separate the two because I think it is much [TS]
01:42:35 ◼ ► harder for people to separate the two when the guy is the guy on the show you know. [TS]
01:42:39 ◼ ► Yeah and that does make sense I know it was just very frustrating because when. When the B.B.C. [TS]
01:42:44 ◼ ► Finally made their statement. And they said you know we're not going to renew Clarkson's contract. [TS]
01:42:51 ◼ ► And I had tweeted about oh you know. That sucks I'm sad. I don't recall my initial tweet. [TS]
01:42:57 ◼ ► Having then you know this is wrong. I didn't. They that that he didn't deserve it. I just at the sucks. [TS]
01:43:08 ◼ ► but everyone came out of the woodwork as their eyes a Jerrick I reckon deserves it. How how could you support this. [TS]
01:43:14 ◼ ► Gil hole in blah blah blah it's like to cannot just be seen as they say Dill hole. [TS]
01:43:29 ◼ ► but that it was still your favorite show despite this guy being like that's because it was over the line for them [TS]
01:43:41 ◼ ► That's the time they thought you're a bad person because you're still enjoying watching the show [TS]
01:43:50 ◼ ► and remind you that the whole time you're enjoying the show that you're bad person because they are so much. [TS]
01:43:56 ◼ ► I really don't care if people want to judge me because I like a television show about cars. Whatever. [TS]
01:44:02 ◼ ► And you know what I've been I've also been tweeting about this because I feel similar to you that you know. [TS]
01:44:16 ◼ ► I'm like I'm not denying that at all like his actions here. Were way over any line. [TS]
01:44:22 ◼ ► And like the last in a series of things not like the one time incident you know I mean like. [TS]
01:44:26 ◼ ► I'm not that familiar with all the behind the scenes drama that happen in the past of the show. I'm really not. [TS]
01:44:36 ◼ ► I wasn't even aware there were so many controversies until the. His general attitude on the show the the style. [TS]
01:44:46 ◼ ► With which he says things the style of she does things. He is like a lovable ass on the show. [TS]
01:44:54 ◼ ► I don't know what he's like in real life is his character also a conservative racist bigot on the show [TS]
01:44:59 ◼ ► or is that just a side effect of the actual person like you there that's where you know like it's one thing to be a [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► curmudgeon as the other just secretly think they harbor regressive notions that they know enough not to use the voice [TS]
01:45:09 ◼ ► publicly. Were And so was that again. I don't know I don't know the guy personally. The way I interpreted it. [TS]
01:45:15 ◼ ► Over time as I was watching the show and he woods and he would say like off color things. [TS]
01:45:20 ◼ ► I interpreted it as pushing the line or stepping over the line for comedy purposes [TS]
01:45:30 ◼ ► When when when you try to define the appropriate relationship between comedy and sensitive topics or hurtful topics. [TS]
01:45:37 ◼ ► It's always a blurry line and and different cultures and different groups of people define that line differently. [TS]
01:45:48 ◼ ► Everyone to find that differently and so I think by like by by me and Casey being so surprised. [TS]
01:45:55 ◼ ► I think at how many people just really hate Jeremy Clarkson like. I was shocked by that. Yep. [TS]
01:46:01 ◼ ► Because I've always interpreted. The the way he talks on the show. To be for the sake of good humor and even. [TS]
01:46:11 ◼ ► I've always assumed that that the intention there was to be to provoke a laugh to be funny [TS]
01:46:20 ◼ ► I think there's a different political dynamic in the U.K. That we don't understand. Like there. [TS]
01:46:26 ◼ ► and right ranges unfamiliar to us mostly because all of them are way to the left of the crazy right wing. [TS]
01:46:36 ◼ ► and therefore I think we don't have a good read always use Jeremy Clarkson. On the show. [TS]
01:46:41 ◼ ► Right and we don't have a read of like. Because I don't know about you but the only time I ever saw him. [TS]
01:46:48 ◼ ► Like I didn't see interviews with him off the show I didn't see him doing press that. [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► and the like where I get the impression that the people who watch the show in the U.K. [TS]
01:46:57 ◼ ► No him from outside the show they see him and other programs they know about him as a person. [TS]
01:47:02 ◼ ► And so the things he says in the show. Rather than seeming like just being cheeky it's like. [TS]
01:47:12 ◼ ► And that he represents some continuum in the political spectrum that I know his support of Canada actually was me. [TS]
01:47:27 ◼ ► and we just see the part that's on the show in the park on the show is necessarily you know. [TS]
01:47:42 ◼ ► The top a racist right wing bigots the United States are usually not a strawman as chairman Clarkson You know I mean [TS]
01:47:47 ◼ ► like. I don't that's just the divide like you know. So I feel like I don't know him either. [TS]
01:47:54 ◼ ► And I think I was watching Top Gear for reasons that are different than both of you I like the part where they talk [TS]
01:48:00 ◼ ► about cars and review the show. Yes I did not like almost any other part of it but. But I you know. [TS]
01:48:10 ◼ ► but an evil people outside of the words they said on that television program and even just within that. [TS]
01:48:15 ◼ ► You know with a few incidents that Clarkson is not like. I find myself. Not hating him. But. [TS]
01:48:23 ◼ ► It's kind of like you know the because you felt like all you wish you didn't know this because now your opinion. [TS]
01:48:28 ◼ ► Must necessarily be drastically change for somebody that you previously. You know just liked as an entertainer now. [TS]
01:48:38 ◼ ► This person the entertainer from the things he does elsewhere. You know I mean. Yeah yeah. And that's that's you know. [TS]
01:48:46 ◼ ► The big disappointment for top tier fans. Is that. He really did something really bad here. [TS]
01:48:52 ◼ ► And you know now like his his image is tarnished for everybody and. He he killed the show like he ended the show. [TS]
01:49:00 ◼ ► By his actions so like that sucks. And it seems like he's a troubled person. So don't think like. [TS]
01:49:09 ◼ ► Over a meal then of a shoot I don't care what kind of bad day you've had that's like. That's a problem. [TS]
01:49:14 ◼ ► But that's a deeper problem that's not like he's just as temper tell I don't know what his deeper for us all think we [TS]
01:49:18 ◼ ► don't know what is the problem is what do you subset about you're rich you get to drive fancy cars all the time like [TS]
01:49:22 ◼ ► obviously there is some deeper problem here with him personally or with the show dynamic or whatever it is. [TS]
01:49:33 ◼ ► and so that makes me sad too because it shows that you know whatever it is that's troubling him. [TS]
01:49:37 ◼ ► Is deeply troubling him because the stakes were high here he knew he was like on you know final notice from all the [TS]
01:49:42 ◼ ► other stuff that's McKnight. He should have been on his best behavior and yet whatever the hell is bothering him. [TS]
01:49:48 ◼ ► Came up to the point where it caused that and that's just like. Yeah. I don't you know. [TS]
01:49:54 ◼ ► You expect like oh when I'm rich and famous I will be happy and then you see all the movies and say Well actually [TS]
01:50:01 ◼ ► and isolated it's like don't you want to think that works out for somebody can somebody. [TS]
01:50:07 ◼ ► A Lamborghini or Ferrari and actually be happy apparently not generally Jeremy Clarkson. [TS]
01:50:11 ◼ ► Well you still hear about those people. Well I mean I think Cammon seems like a reasonably happy guy I think may. [TS]
01:50:16 ◼ ► I don't know anything about them either you're right they do I'm just I don't know and I don't you know it's like. [TS]
01:50:22 ◼ ► I don't need to know celebrities lives or whatever you just want to. You want to believe the fantasy. [TS]
01:50:27 ◼ ► I don't know anything about your life I don't want to know anything about your life [TS]
01:50:29 ◼ ► but I believe you are well adjusted and have a happy life because what you do for a living looks really fun. [TS]
01:50:37 ◼ ► That maybe my line is just further away than other people's That doesn't mean I'm right. It doesn't mean I'm wrong. [TS]
01:50:44 ◼ ► but the thing is I mean if you watch the first time they go through America where they went from Miami to New Orleans. [TS]
01:50:56 ◼ ► And they seem to go out of their way to find some of the worst portions of America. And as an American. [TS]
01:51:05 ◼ ► Really hard because they entangle nice to Americans for the purpose of getting them to show really disgusting behavior. [TS]
01:51:18 ◼ ► But that is part of our country and there are people in our country. Our fellow citizens. That act that way. [TS]
01:51:26 ◼ ► And just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not a representation of America it may not be the most fair [TS]
01:51:36 ◼ ► I think there are a lot of Americans that are a lot less stupid as they perpetrate us all to be they obviously make fun [TS]
01:51:43 ◼ ► of us always for be it for us being fat. And you know. Don't be a cheese. But she isn't everything. And she's. [TS]
01:51:51 ◼ ► We put cheese on everything and kill those those jokes. They kind of staying. But good God their jokes on a T.V. [TS]
01:51:59 ◼ ► Show about cars like maybe again maybe my line is just further away than other people's [TS]
01:52:03 ◼ ► and again like you said John unlike you said Marco. I don't get to see the other parts of Clarkson the only parts. [TS]
01:52:10 ◼ ► I see are the parts on the show. And yes he is offensive. Yes he's an ass. But whatever. Like that's that's the shit. [TS]
01:52:21 ◼ ► But it's not it's not just being an ass like this I think I'm not trying to push you closer to your line but I think. [TS]
01:52:30 ◼ ► You're not forced to confront the realities of the things that this person really believes which I'm not saying you [TS]
01:52:37 ◼ ► but if you really knew it was in the heart of hearts of many people that you had my or you would admire them less. [TS]
01:52:50 ◼ ► About whatever people of a different race about women about anything you do not want to be confronted with that you [TS]
01:53:03 ◼ ► But really I believe my heart of hearts that women can never be president because they're too emotional like. [TS]
01:53:08 ◼ ► If someone like Mel seriously I really have to have a serious conversation about you why women should never be [TS]
01:53:12 ◼ ► president like you can't have that conversation with someone you admire and not be like just just crumble [TS]
01:53:20 ◼ ► Now can I you know that's that's not that I think he's you know on this making this up like make up a bias that you [TS]
01:53:25 ◼ ► would that if someone really truly believed in deep in their fiber you be like you just check out your black man just. [TS]
01:53:34 ◼ ► Where you are going I cannot follow I now know too much about what is in your heart and it is terrible [TS]
01:53:39 ◼ ► and then you have to like try to reconcile like. If you're a really good book and I still enjoy the book. [TS]
01:53:45 ◼ ► If you're accurate a movie can still enjoy the movie but if you're on a T.V. Show up as yourself playing yourself. [TS]
01:53:50 ◼ ► Boy that's tough. You know it and somebody brought up in the chat. It's like Adam Baldwin. [TS]
01:53:56 ◼ ► I think the actions that he is has taken are deplorable disgusting and terrible and him. [TS]
01:54:02 ◼ ► Somehow energizing the whole game or gate movement and coining the term. That is revolting to me. I find that. [TS]
01:54:09 ◼ ► Absolutely disgusting but you bet your but I love Firefly and I think it's a tremendous television show [TS]
01:54:19 ◼ ► but I was I think that's different don't you think is there with actors I feel the same way he's terrible. [TS]
01:54:27 ◼ ► And like the only place it comes across is like if he's like an actual criminal a murderer you don't do anything that [TS]
01:54:32 ◼ ► could possibly give him money. Right but that's not you know he's just he holds terrible ideas right. [TS]
01:54:42 ◼ ► Despite sharing your things about involvement I can still enjoy the show because he's an actor. [TS]
01:54:51 ◼ ► That's just the difference of the I guess I can't even make that distinction late to me like. [TS]
01:55:07 ◼ ► I gotta admit it does help that if he was the hero of Firefly if he was mal. It would be a big problem. [TS]
01:55:13 ◼ ► and Jane is pretty terrible on the show so it kind of like matches up you know to me like this isn't really acting he [TS]
01:55:18 ◼ ► really terrible. Good news though Anyway back to Top Gear. You know. I think you know trying to close it out here. [TS]
01:55:26 ◼ ► Anyone who's watched the show on a regular basis. Knows that it was probably pretty close to the end anyway. [TS]
01:55:34 ◼ ► Like oh yeah. Every every new season that came out or series and in British parlance. Every new series that came out. [TS]
01:55:44 ◼ ► Oh they made another one like every time that they had out there would be other one that was always like pleasantly [TS]
01:55:52 ◼ ► Because I was always just assuming that the current season's always gonna be the last season [TS]
01:55:56 ◼ ► and a lot of it was getting worse over time like oh yeah a lot of a lot of the bits for getting more [TS]
01:56:09 ◼ ► I understand that Casey enjoyed them I don't begrudge anyone their enjoyment is just not my. [TS]
01:56:13 ◼ ► That's not why I was watching the show and that's that's the thing right there John is that people begrudge Marco [TS]
01:56:19 ◼ ► and I enjoying the show. And that's what I find some bothersome. But own but only because the don't like the person. [TS]
01:56:30 ◼ ► That just but every whatever floats your boat and you know sometimes I get a chuckle out of them too [TS]
01:56:42 ◼ ► Where we could all agree on that oh you don't know how much the show cost to produce. [TS]
01:56:45 ◼ ► Everything was shot Well it was you know. There was not a lot of flab to it the production quality was high and. [TS]
01:56:53 ◼ ► and they did car reviews I think in a very interesting way I think even more interesting than a lot of the more You [TS]
01:56:57 ◼ ► Tube things if you wanted to see car views with wit and humor and not taking yourself too seriously. There. [TS]
01:57:03 ◼ ► They're the best I've ever seen. They were they were like you know. Three minutes long sometimes but. [TS]
01:57:10 ◼ ► It's not like reading an article in a car magazine about a car you read the that seven preview articles the to the [TS]
01:57:16 ◼ ► first drive article The review the comparison like. That is a different thing and they. [TS]
01:57:27 ◼ ► and they also had the stuff with it a bunch of fake stuff that made you think they were going on a big journey through [TS]
01:57:37 ◼ ► In the face of things like all the people doing. Are using You Tube in the face of. [TS]
01:57:42 ◼ ► Motor Week Owings Mills Maryland two one one one seven like there have been other car. [TS]
01:57:46 ◼ ► Things on television but Top Gear was head and shoulders above them in the area that it decided to define. [TS]
01:57:55 ◼ ► I'm sad that it ended I'm sad it's Clarkson's fault I'm sad that I'm not allowed to be sad about it apparently [TS]
01:58:01 ◼ ► according to have the Internet and you know what. Screw those guys. Be said about it. [TS]
01:58:07 ◼ ► and I mean I wouldn't have said I was sad if I was that worried about what they're saying. I'm sad I'm sad. [TS]
01:58:13 ◼ ► The show is for us all to say. Top Gear. Butting emphasis. Instead of saying Top Gear. As the British way to say. [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► Top Gear. We all just say Top Gear and it drives me insane. And it when people say Series it also upsets me greatly. [TS]
01:58:37 ◼ ► and I will see what I mean you never know what will happen they they may have so I assume the shoulder back to we also [TS]
01:58:43 ◼ ► in the shoulder back because the name the name is divide. Yeah. I think it will be in Iowa. [TS]
01:58:50 ◼ ► I don't think you'll can tell you I'm just saying they'll be a show called top tier. Right. [TS]
01:58:54 ◼ ► but the already there's a couple shows called Top Gear most of them suck I mean like the American top tier I agree that [TS]
01:59:07 ◼ ► If you take it back to just being a car show. And you don't have these characters in it. It's a lot less interesting. [TS]
01:59:16 ◼ ► American Top Your isn't a car so they try to do all the same bits they just it just doesn't doesn't gel. You know. [TS]
01:59:26 ◼ ► I think it is it's possible to have in the same way that The Daily Show are all Craig Kilborn losing does show that [TS]
01:59:32 ◼ ► show is over. Well not quite like it could be reborn. I'm fully willing to I think that. [TS]
01:59:36 ◼ ► Another set of interesting character Matic people who really have passionate opinions about cars could make that show [TS]
01:59:42 ◼ ► work again and then so I assume none of these three guys are going to back. Right or they go off and do something. [TS]
01:59:48 ◼ ► I'm sure plenty of people willing to hire them to do a car show for them called word of the hell they want to call it. [TS]
01:59:55 ◼ ► and you'll probably still be able to see a show. Whose name is Top Gear. Sometime in the future. [TS]
02:00:01 ◼ ► I don't know I think like the same things that were making it get worse over time and get kind of played out. [TS]
02:00:08 ◼ ► I think those same things apply to any people you put in the show like it isn't it isn't does people were necessarily [TS]
02:00:15 ◼ ► played out. It's that like I think the show did everything it could do in the way we know it today. [TS]
02:00:24 ◼ ► when Jon Stewart came to focus the format the way the show work to change there wasn't like if Show where we make funny [TS]
02:00:35 ◼ ► and new set of people can take the show in a totally new direction that's all I'm talking about with new people like [TS]
02:00:39 ◼ ► it's not going to be just the same show with different hosts. Whatever is inside those people who take over the show. [TS]
02:00:48 ◼ ► I don't think it's going to be like the top tier they were familiar with. Yeah. But also happens. [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► And I think this spec the three of them are going to stick around and do something different [TS]
02:01:03 ◼ ► And I wouldn't be surprised if they do with the director video thing that Clark's and has done many times in the past. [TS]
02:01:16 ◼ ► and I think a certain point I think they're a little more limited in the types of things they can do even if they [TS]
02:01:23 ◼ ► You know he kind of a sixty five year old going through Bolivia in a four by four. Yeah. [TS]
02:01:29 ◼ ► And also you know the show they've been making so far. Had As you said. A pretty sizable budget. [TS]