00:00:00 ◼ ► What is that background writes It's from Last Exile which is an anime series that neither one of us heard of oil on the [TS]
00:00:05 ◼ ► scene. I've seen it it's really good. You have not yet what because you think I haven't seen it. [TS]
00:00:12 ◼ ► I know nothing about it I've never seen all the great touches exactly so John wanted to tell us about how cross the [TS]
00:00:21 ◼ ► road is doing financially. What was it why would I do that when it says in the notes that we are to talk about this. [TS]
00:00:29 ◼ ► Everyone keep sending us the same Lincoln I'm tired of getting well here's here's what happens everybody has a bad [TS]
00:00:33 ◼ ► memory. When we talked about crushing with finances on. At least two episodes maybe three. [TS]
00:00:41 ◼ ► They did a major update and in the first one I was looking at the top grossing charts. And I was saying. [TS]
00:00:48 ◼ ► Given their position on the top downloading charges they were like you know one of the top. [TS]
00:00:51 ◼ ► Handful of apps on the top three chart. But they weren't very high the top grossing chart. [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► So what I said was at that position on top free. They should be making more money. [TS]
00:01:04 ◼ ► There's not really much reason to ever pay the money played a game. And then they didn't update. [TS]
00:01:11 ◼ ► They very quickly jumped up the top grossing chart and the following week we talked about that. Where we said hey. [TS]
00:01:22 ◼ ► And tons of people now have only heard that first part. And or Orly remember the first part. And are telling us look. [TS]
00:01:31 ◼ ► You are so wrong. Because look to made all this money. When in fact we did already talk about this. The following week. [TS]
00:01:39 ◼ ► I think we read an interview with them where they said they were there are now didn't have to work again [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► and so forth that's why I feel like we covered right about that this is actually a new story. [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► but the story the week after we first discussed this basically the developer said we never have to work again. [TS]
00:01:57 ◼ ► So reiterating that they still don't have to work again. Even less or more. I don't know whatever. [TS]
00:02:14 ◼ ► They deserve to make a lot of money because they made a really good game. Exactly. You know. [TS]
00:02:19 ◼ ► The main reason I wanted to bring this up again is because the of that new interviewer piece on it that was on poly [TS]
00:02:27 ◼ ► And we've got that link a thousand times which I appreciate everyone is trying to A keep us informed which is very nice [TS]
00:02:32 ◼ ► of them. But we have seen it and it's pretty much the same thing we already knew so thank you. In other news. [TS]
00:02:38 ◼ ► We should talk about our anonymous tipster who sort of came through and yet sort of didn't. [TS]
00:02:53 ◼ ► when not not so good results for this tipster do you want to take us through that John and where where he where he [TS]
00:03:03 ◼ ► We kind of fell down on the previous show because at one point of the previous show I was trying to to nail down how we [TS]
00:03:12 ◼ ► Whether these tips panned out because it was kind of vague and there was some bit like one of the criteria for success. [TS]
00:03:20 ◼ ► and we didn't really pin down if we had it would have helped because as the keynote was going on in a meeting people [TS]
00:03:26 ◼ ► tweets and. About fifty fifty people were saying oh my god that tips there was one hundred percent white right or. [TS]
00:03:37 ◼ ► Like different people saying that one set of people like the same we're all watching the same presentation [TS]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and tweeting today is that the to that effect that they think the steps are was either right or wrong. [TS]
00:03:52 ◼ ► And that's because we didn't really nail down success criteria if we had like a bingo card [TS]
00:03:55 ◼ ► or a check box like I think Casey you tweeted a little checkmark of like things that we would check off as a tipster [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► was right or wrong. Yeah. But as it turns out the tipster himself or herself. Gave some. [TS]
00:04:12 ◼ ► Their own analysis of the success of their of the things. One when we were talk about the hub. [TS]
00:04:19 ◼ ► And people pointed me to the link for that A.V. Adapter thing where the H.D.M.I. Video output during using US B.C.D. [TS]
00:04:33 ◼ ► That is not where the temperature was talking about a tipster explicitly said. That's not what I was talking about. [TS]
00:04:37 ◼ ► So if you think that hipster was right because he saw that adapter that tipster him or herself says. [TS]
00:04:42 ◼ ► You know that's not it. Right. The FOR SUCH THING. Was in the keynote where those exact words. [TS]
00:04:49 ◼ ► The trackpad before such trackpad so you gotta give that on right so it's like at least there was going to predictions [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► one for such to this hub. Thing. And the forced sex thing you know I don't want to minimize that. [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► I think the same with the total or at least as very close to Keys them selves. Have like less padding between them. [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► So the Keys them selves have gotten larger but I think the overall with the keyboard is about the same. [TS]
00:05:28 ◼ ► But nobody said anything about the new keys which type. The very low travel of the keys will be controversial and. [TS]
00:05:36 ◼ ► And what the first touch. Track that I think. I think that's going to get you know. [TS]
00:05:40 ◼ ► I think this tipster has proven himself to be somebody in the know. Even even if the second hub never comes out. [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► I don't know about that because the forest touch was super guessable. Right I would be super impressed by forest touch. [TS]
00:05:59 ◼ ► If the phrase forest touch had never appeared in a previous Apple Keno you know what I mean. [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► And because the government rumour said the trackpad wasn't going to move but would be pressure sensitive. [TS]
00:06:16 ◼ ► And for point like I mean you saw to be lucky still have to you know that still that was correct like those things [TS]
00:06:22 ◼ ► matched up on not thing but it's the type of thing that was guessable with not too much. You know. [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► If you tried to come up with the rumor that was plausible you could have staked your reputation on that and say well. [TS]
00:06:33 ◼ ► I feel pretty good about it I'll probably use the same term if they don't know well. [TS]
00:06:38 ◼ ► And the second thing about the hub. That was announced the idea that there's going to. [TS]
00:06:44 ◼ ► If the government rumors were right which they were. And as things just going to have one port on it. [TS]
00:06:48 ◼ ► The idea that there will be a whole bunch of different adapters you can plug into that sun which will have multiple [TS]
00:06:53 ◼ ► U.S.B. Ports kind of like hub is also kind of a gimme but they didn't but Apple didn't announce that. As we discussed. [TS]
00:06:59 ◼ ► It's very rare that anyone who's going to leak knows when our products are going to be announced. Right. [TS]
00:07:10 ◼ ► But it does mean that this project is not announced at that keynote and that was specifically this tipsters prediction. [TS]
00:07:25 ◼ ► but the one that came true was guessable in the one the didn't was the quote unquote most interesting one that will [TS]
00:07:34 ◼ ► But it just goes to show even when you get boring rumors you can count on them being right. [TS]
00:07:39 ◼ ► Yeah I would I would I would give them a better grade. I would say more like you know. Sixty seven percent. [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► You know what was interesting to me about the follow up email we got from this tipster was that this individual seemed [TS]
00:07:54 ◼ ► utterly convinced that it was a thing because it was something that they claim to have seen at work. [TS]
00:08:04 ◼ ► but you know it's something that they're so confident in existing that they said it's going to happen. [TS]
00:08:09 ◼ ► It's just a matter of when and those are my words but that was kind of the message we got. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► And so I thought that was interesting and it's kind of Granted if if if you were fabricating all this [TS]
00:08:20 ◼ ► and wanted to string us along that's exactly what you would say however I thought it was interesting in the way they [TS]
00:08:26 ◼ ► talked about things I'm not gonna read this for beta but the way they talk about things that certainly sounded like. [TS]
00:08:31 ◼ ► It sounded to me like it was genuine but I mean how can you really tell it's an e-mail. [TS]
00:08:43 ◼ ► I think even if the steps there is one hundred percent authentic I think they don't understand how products get release [TS]
00:08:55 ◼ ► and thought Apple have it's all over the place in till the day they ship it at any point Apple could say you know it [TS]
00:09:04 ◼ ► Just definitely will be shipping you know be sipping unless you're the one who makes a decision for it to ship right. [TS]
00:09:13 ◼ ► and months does not mean it's ever going to ship right. So that I feel like you know. [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► If you have this information you shouldn't be like how can you so confidently assert unless you're trying to snow [TS]
00:09:26 ◼ ► It's definitely going to ship it's going to be a thing until until something shipped it's not going to ship I mean even. [TS]
00:09:31 ◼ ► Apple can put it up on their website and tell us the snow leopard going to have the FS abort [TS]
00:09:35 ◼ ► but it still ships it doesn't it hasn't shipped right. That's true. I don't know how funny is the adapter the did ship. [TS]
00:09:43 ◼ ► I mean it. Eighty dollars makes me stop laughing really fast. More because it's just it's so audition. [TS]
00:09:53 ◼ ► Yes I think this is I mean we're going to spend too much time on tips and tipsters [TS]
00:09:57 ◼ ► but this is our experiment with tips. It was it was I recall it a bust it was not. [TS]
00:10:01 ◼ ► It was a boring tip the didn't come under percent true true reluctant situation were like well they might know [TS]
00:10:05 ◼ ► something I might not. Tips or barring that you know. We're probably on to this again. Oh well. [TS]
00:10:13 ◼ ► So here's what I what I would love to play the my mark of your Took may be OK So I think there's some kind of law in [TS]
00:10:20 ◼ ► California. Against soliciting people to break and V.A.'s so I don't want to do that. [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► However I think it would be really funny. If we got. If it just became a thing that we got fairly accurate. [TS]
00:10:34 ◼ ► Tips about the most boring Apple stuff awful about the packaging. Yeah. Like material of the packaging be. [TS]
00:10:42 ◼ ► Ports the next mac mini will have like you sleep or eat like Ike and I'm sure there's far more boring stuff than that. [TS]
00:10:49 ◼ ► Like you know what if the Airport Express gets gigabit like sort of like stupid little things. [TS]
00:10:55 ◼ ► I would love it if we became like the place where people sent those tips to our show you know you can you can send [TS]
00:11:05 ◼ ► And you can send us the stuff that is so boring that you might even get fired for sending it to us because the it's [TS]
00:11:10 ◼ ► that boring. Well to be fair if anyone is going to really get off on some sort of boring god awful. [TS]
00:11:21 ◼ ► You know play to play your audience tipsters our first punch of this week is Caspar Casper's an online retailer premium [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► and I've done that a few times I was like we have a house so we had different a guest room [TS]
00:11:36 ◼ ► and all sorts of stuff so I bought matters of maybe every ten years for some reason or five years. And. [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► High pressure salesman just like a car dealership it's hilarious like how high pressure they are [TS]
00:11:51 ◼ ► You know you always feel like you're overpaying because the prices are like extremely flexible. [TS]
00:11:59 ◼ ► or something like this all this like wheeling and dealing you have to do to negotiate the various things [TS]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and that's not even to mention the actual trying of the mattresses which is you lie on this plastic covered mattress in [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► a store for a few seconds I'm like OK. It's off the gas and you go on the next one and this is soft to I guess. [TS]
00:12:21 ◼ ► Pillow topping do I want it to be tall pillow topping do I you know there's so many it's so hard to know it [TS]
00:12:27 ◼ ► and to choose. Kaspar you order it online and. This sounds. At first kind of crazy. You know what you can try it. [TS]
00:12:34 ◼ ► They have a risk free trial policy. You can try to in your home for up to a hundred days. [TS]
00:12:39 ◼ ► And if you don't like it actor that's more than three months if you don't like it after more than three months. [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► You can call them. And they will arrange to have a picked up and give your refund. It's that easy. [TS]
00:12:48 ◼ ► Now Catherine mattresses they're pretty sure we're going to like them because they provide resilience. [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► It's one of a kind because what they did was you know a memory foam by itself pure memory foam is polarizing a lot of [TS]
00:13:02 ◼ ► You know not bouncy enough or whatever and you know pure other foams and pure springs can also be like pluses [TS]
00:13:09 ◼ ► and minuses what they've done. They have a hybrid approach that combines the best a combined premium latex foam. [TS]
00:13:15 ◼ ► With memory foam. To really give you the best of both worlds so they call it. Just the right sync. [TS]
00:13:21 ◼ ► Just the right balance. So you have a lot of the same benefits of of pure memory foam. [TS]
00:13:25 ◼ ► But without like the hotness that you get from it sometimes you know. And all this stuff is all made in America. [TS]
00:13:38 ◼ ► Yeah I didn't get lonely and I had a code so I don't wait around to we had another code to buy it with and I did. [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► And I just have one tidbit to add we all talk about the little box that comes in our expanded all the cool stuff. [TS]
00:13:50 ◼ ► The box they send it in has a label on top of it that says different sizes like twin. [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► Queen King whatever it is right there with and like with bought check boxes and you know. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► We got a small one so whatever was with twin twenty was checked off right. My question is if you get a king size one. [TS]
00:14:16 ◼ ► and then you fit you open up the following instructions they give you like a letter opener told open the thing it [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► Is if in that same box they sent you a king size one. And so much that would expand. [TS]
00:14:30 ◼ ► At the exciting Unfortunately you only get to do it once and write inflated. And I just becomes a really nice bed. [TS]
00:14:35 ◼ ► And I was impressed it's really I don't like I don't typically like memory foam mattresses because I feel like they did [TS]
00:14:41 ◼ ► I gripped me too much this one does not do that so if you've tried pure memory foam mattresses and don't like them. [TS]
00:14:46 ◼ ► This mattress is not like that it's a nice kind of like hybrid between. Yep I agree. So all this is available at. [TS]
00:14:57 ◼ ► Usually if you want some high quality to last like a decade or more and be good the whole time. [TS]
00:15:05 ◼ ► Casper mattresses cost between five hundred dollars for a twin. All the way up to nine fifty for a king now. Come on. [TS]
00:15:12 ◼ ► I mean that's ridiculous Lee cheap nine fifty for a premium quality king size mattress. [TS]
00:15:17 ◼ ► And that it's delivered to your house I mean that's crazy talk. They also if you go to Casper dot com slash A.T.P. [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► You also get fifty bucks off so that you can have a king for nine hundred never clean for eight hundred full size [TS]
00:15:32 ◼ ► or seven hundred I mean it's. These are incredibly good prices for high quality mattresses so check it out.. [TS]
00:15:38 ◼ ► Casper dot com slash A.T.P. Thanks a lot once again to Casper. You really check it out it's an incredible deal. [TS]
00:15:44 ◼ ► Free trial for one hundred days made in America. Just the right thing just the right balance Thanks a lot of Casper. [TS]
00:15:54 ◼ ► I don't know how you guys want to go through this I don't know if you want to do it in chronological order which would [TS]
00:15:59 ◼ ► require one of us remember what do you want her to have hence were who cares. New Macbook. All right new Macbook. [TS]
00:16:11 ◼ ► A lot often leave the cases brought least likely you've got the old A smack in the one the one most in need of [TS]
00:16:17 ◼ ► replacement right. I love that we're are going to well I probably do need to replace my. [TS]
00:16:23 ◼ ► My personal mac and I know that I'm getting a new work mac because it's been three years now [TS]
00:16:32 ◼ ► I don't suspect that I'm going to be buying a new MacBook sitting here now today. I use U.S.P. [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► Often enough that I would want to have at least one if not a couple of ports. That being said. [TS]
00:16:52 ◼ ► So there's really no reason why couldn't get one of these absurd eighty dollars after his [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► That our tipster talked about should provide you with to US beef. Right exactly. In theory that would be enough. But. [TS]
00:17:10 ◼ ► I just I think if nothing else I'd want something with a little more horsepower I know a lot of people then lamenting [TS]
00:17:16 ◼ ► that. Apparently the. The performance characteristics are roughly on par with a twenty twelve macro care which. [TS]
00:17:27 ◼ ► and as I'm once a by computers every three to four years usually I would want to a computer that's basically more than [TS]
00:17:42 ◼ ► It's exactly what I need now that's Was thing that you are not that I'm not the least likely to go [TS]
00:17:46 ◼ ► and you probably are as I have an old next book air and I hear plays over this new one and. [TS]
00:17:51 ◼ ► If it only just eliminated the scream of the fan as my kids play minecraft incessantly on it would be and I'm great. [TS]
00:18:02 ◼ ► First of all the Garmin rumor was hundred percent right this is what they mocked up. [TS]
00:18:07 ◼ ► I don't think I got anything wrong track that doesn't move it's got one part on the other side is headphones the [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► keyboard is laid out just like I said it was its retina. Like hundred percent on the nose and. [TS]
00:18:16 ◼ ► I have to think that it would have been a cooler keynote if we didn't know all that. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► There are they get one of them are exciting at saying oh yeah I got you know we got spoiled [TS]
00:18:24 ◼ ► and it's not like Star Wars where you have a fighting chance I've been trying to avoid stories of spoilers [TS]
00:18:32 ◼ ► but going to say I've had zero spoilers from Star Wars because out of her right but I mean I guess if I had. [TS]
00:18:38 ◼ ► I don't think it would have been possible for me to avoid this. You know. It was just tweeted at me too much like. [TS]
00:18:45 ◼ ► You know I don't mind I wasn't trying to avoid it I want to but it does take away from the event [TS]
00:18:51 ◼ ► But knows exactly what they said it was going to be we talked about this at length about you know if it does come with [TS]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Why why would it only have one port What do I get one point that I don't get with to port so many speculated a lot [TS]
00:19:03 ◼ ► about it as it turns out Apple felt no reason to try to justify the decision to have one port. [TS]
00:19:13 ◼ ► They talked all about the attributes of the part which we talked about as well yes is. You know. The U.S.B. [TS]
00:19:25 ◼ ► but they did not even they didn't even they weren't defensive at all about the fact there was one of them. [TS]
00:19:32 ◼ ► Like if you weren't paying attention you would just assume might assume there was one on the other side. [TS]
00:19:38 ◼ ► They didn't emphasize the fact that they took away mags say they didn't say anything about. [TS]
00:19:42 ◼ ► You know mags it was great but it's just too big to fit on that like they didn't they didn't give a reason [TS]
00:19:46 ◼ ► or an explanation or talk about mag safe at all like it was just. This is the thing. [TS]
00:19:51 ◼ ► They didn't even say how the thing would be charged obviously through the one part [TS]
00:19:58 ◼ ► and they didn't show it being plugged in they didn't show the power adapter as far as I can recall that certainly [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► Didn't show you plug in that adapter into it like as far as Apple's presentation marking materials are concerned. [TS]
00:20:14 ◼ ► and we all know it plugs into charge whatever all the things that we talked about like. If this hadn't. [TS]
00:20:20 ◼ ► And we hadn't all like anyone is interested hadn't talked about it amongst ourselves for a long time. [TS]
00:20:36 ◼ ► How many ports it has the right thing like that all they did was talk about the benefits of U.S.B. Type C. [TS]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Which I thought was interesting because in the jobs are very frequently they felt the need to be proactively [TS]
00:20:54 ◼ ► or anything there was debris some kind of statement about you think you need to but you don't trust us you know. [TS]
00:20:58 ◼ ► None of that here. It was just like this is what it is. And you know. It's the new MacBook. [TS]
00:21:06 ◼ ► When you guys ask you know what I buy one of these the chat room got particularly grumbly because I said oh this isn't [TS]
00:21:15 ◼ ► But the whole point of this little thought exercise was what I'd buy one or would it serve my needs just yes or no. [TS]
00:21:23 ◼ ► And I don't think the answer I think the answer's no. Additionally. You know people the chatter saying well. C.P.U. [TS]
00:21:31 ◼ ► Obviously if you were if you were compiling large projects than that could be C.P.U. Bound alumina Sara Lee. [TS]
00:21:37 ◼ ► But either way especially for work specifically. Less so for home but for work. When you're living in a V.M. All day. [TS]
00:21:48 ◼ ► And furthermore probably the biggest issue I have with this machine is that. Eight gigs of ram. [TS]
00:21:53 ◼ ► I don't think is sufficient for the sorts of things that I do want to regular basis as specially at work especially [TS]
00:21:59 ◼ ► running Windows the AM all the time. And there's no way to get more because there's no build to order option. [TS]
00:22:05 ◼ ► So no matter how you slice it I don't really think this is for me. Additionally if you've ever. [TS]
00:22:09 ◼ ► Transcode it in handbrake. You're obviously going to want something that has a little bit more C.P.U. [TS]
00:22:16 ◼ ► Not that I do that every day but I do it often enough that I'm going to want to have more C.P.U. [TS]
00:22:22 ◼ ► Maybe not but I want to read mean I think that you know you can look at this machine and very obviously you can. [TS]
00:22:29 ◼ ► You can know. You know if you're listening to the show. Chances are this is not going to be your main machine. [TS]
00:22:38 ◼ ► If you're that a good chance a lot of a lot of our listeners are developers anyone listening to the show. [TS]
00:22:47 ◼ ► This machine is for a lot of the same reasons people bought eleven inch map of care so far [TS]
00:22:53 ◼ ► and the leverage back book air was actually in some ways more capable because it had like you know a full thunderbolt [TS]
00:23:00 ◼ ► You know more ports but for the most part of it had similar issues and some are limitations. People by eleven inch air. [TS]
00:23:07 ◼ ► Mostly because either they're carrying a lot every day like on their shoulder on their back [TS]
00:23:12 ◼ ► and they really need like the smallest weight possible. And or. They fly a lot especially the flying coach. [TS]
00:23:18 ◼ ► Where the tray tables are so small and the person ahead of you like leans back. An inch. [TS]
00:23:23 ◼ ► Which everybody sitting in front of me always does. The second point is like the second the wheels are off the ground. [TS]
00:23:29 ◼ ► The seats in your face and. If that's the case and if you want to work on a plane. [TS]
00:23:33 ◼ ► Pretty much the only laptop you can really get is the eleven and like a thirteen. Even have trouble. The fifteen. [TS]
00:23:39 ◼ ► I know is I usually have a fifteen. There's pretty much no hope of using a fifteen on it on a coach tray table. [TS]
00:23:46 ◼ ► So if you are. If you're flying a lot or if the weight. If the carry weight is extremely important to you then. [TS]
00:23:55 ◼ ► This is a really good machine. As a travel machine or as a portable machine. If you're going to be doing. [TS]
00:24:01 ◼ ► Like coding work on it though. Then it's really probably not for you because you know coding. Number of issues. [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► For me the biggest issue is actually not the C.P.U. Speed it's the screen space. It has. [TS]
00:24:16 ◼ ► It has a scale emo that allowed to go up to four hundred forty wide. Simulated. Which is the fifth. [TS]
00:24:22 ◼ ► The native Reza the fifteen bulb fifteen goes higher and use of. It has a film on the go to that I don't know. [TS]
00:24:29 ◼ ► You know how useful it will be I mean the fifty can scale up to one hundred twenty wide but it's toots. [TS]
00:24:34 ◼ ► It's too tiny for me to use comfortably. And I have twenty twenty vision so far I mean. [TS]
00:24:42 ◼ ► and I can't you see that that's about that on Twitter that you know someone asked Do you think you could do a [TS]
00:24:47 ◼ ► and what I said is yeah probably question wasn't whether Marco could your development like can wonder development on [TS]
00:24:56 ◼ ► this and. I think that the C.P.U. Of the RAM the screen space everything about it is sufficient to develop and i O. S. [TS]
00:25:05 ◼ ► or Mac app. If you don't know any better and if you don't know how much faster it is on a faster mac. [TS]
00:25:12 ◼ ► You'll wait longer for compile your windows will be more compressed you won't be able to do have the kind of layout [TS]
00:25:18 ◼ ► that you may be accustomed to. But you will be able to do it this is as opposed to like. [TS]
00:25:23 ◼ ► Is this a good machine for doing web development or you have to have five windows V.M.S. Running all the time. [TS]
00:25:28 ◼ ► No it is not right because that is like that's a capability thing like there where you just it's just a no go.. [TS]
00:25:34 ◼ ► And by the way someone. John L. Two hundred one to rush friend I guess in the end the chat says. [TS]
00:25:43 ◼ ► I'm sure that there are people at Apple that think that that they are not thinking clearly are not engineers. Like. [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► Technically it makes it less important than it was. But it is still super duper important. [TS]
00:25:55 ◼ ► Like the difference in speed between disk and as a city is huge the difference in speed between RAM and S.S. [TS]
00:26:10 ◼ ► It's taking the RAM but it's all as is the end as if these are really fast so it's not so bad you. You cannot run five.. [TS]
00:26:19 ◼ ► Windows seven V.M.S. For different versions of I.E. All the same time and this and not suffer. Yeah. Right. [TS]
00:26:24 ◼ ► It's not just it's just not going to happen for you right. So I think you can do I always development. [TS]
00:26:29 ◼ ► You can't do anything that really really really needs more than a gig for I just think the EMS could have something for [TS]
00:26:36 ◼ ► In a matter how many how small you make them like they can tend to be very big and disk space. [TS]
00:26:51 ◼ ► And if you put them in external this where you going to build decks around dusk and I got a novel blah blah blah. [TS]
00:26:59 ◼ ► and I really think that there are a lot of people who like I bet a lot of the most amazing apps that we all use. [TS]
00:27:12 ◼ ► and all I need a really fancy fast computer it's like you really want to really fancied asking Peter. [TS]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and you can actually get it done you'll just wait longer for compiles and go make of coffee. You know right. [TS]
00:27:33 ◼ ► Is not going to be as good as Xcode seven years ago was running on that hardware. You know like like X. [TS]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Code has gotten bigger and the compiler has gotten bigger. If you. If you use any swift swift. [TS]
00:27:42 ◼ ► Is much slower to compile then you just see so far I don't know if they fix that entirely with the incremental compact [TS]
00:27:49 ◼ ► At least was the simulators are larger like they need more screen space to show an accurate simulator. [TS]
00:27:59 ◼ ► Now you have possibly the watch simulator next to the I O. S. Simulator. And all these windows that to be open. [TS]
00:28:07 ◼ ► God help you if you want to documentation window also I mean there's that the in and you have the organizer [TS]
00:28:11 ◼ ► and you're submitting things to i Tunes connect I mean like there's there's a lot of like screen space needs. [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► And they keep increasing as the hardware gets bigger and the simulators get bigger [TS]
00:28:23 ◼ ► and you have more things you need to do so again you're right John. If you want to do development you know. [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► You'll instantly get tons of replies people saying. I have one of those my development just fine. And yes the. [TS]
00:28:38 ◼ ► You can do it but it's all like you can do it but it's a lot nicer if you have you know more screen space. [TS]
00:28:48 ◼ ► And it's best not to know how much faster things are faster you're going to one of the new go back to the other one [TS]
00:28:57 ◼ ► The first I know a lot of people like back in the day like they got their very first mac [TS]
00:29:00 ◼ ► and whatever they were doing was that they were just super happy because like wow I really like it shiny it. [TS]
00:29:09 ◼ ► And they have no other mac to compare it to speed wise right. Like they're doing an all new thing like. [TS]
00:29:13 ◼ ► How do they compare how long it takes to make a D.V.D. and I'd even if they'd never made a D.V.D. [TS]
00:29:18 ◼ ► Before and a little they know that same task of like you know making the D.V.D. At the end could be like five X. [TS]
00:29:26 ◼ ► It's like well you can't use that to make the videos they don't know they can't let you know that as far as they're [TS]
00:29:30 ◼ ► concerned this is just how long it takes so if you've never built and i OS app. And your you know. [TS]
00:29:34 ◼ ► Cook build and run it takes a certain amount of time you just like I guess that's the amount of time it takes [TS]
00:29:39 ◼ ► It probably takes way longer than you would think it would ever take and I think of years like if you've never done. [TS]
00:29:46 ◼ ► But whatever time your first mac takes you're like. All right. And you know. This is like a twenty twelve mag book air. [TS]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Which is not particularly fast to begin with but just you know people people just deal with it. [TS]
00:29:57 ◼ ► I mean like I've mentioned before I had one of the one of the very first generation based model netbook airs in two [TS]
00:30:04 ◼ ► And that was you know the one point six bigger it's really really slow processor that whatever he for a lot of people [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and from tumblr I'll be working on Instapaper in Xcode on that mac book air the first gen that everybody hated. [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► but mainly that the issues I have always had with doing developing work on lab hasn't always screen space first [TS]
00:30:37 ◼ ► performance is you know. Inconvenient. When it's really bad like an apple care but for the most part. [TS]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Screen space in the way of my limiting factor. And so from that point of view. You know look this machine. [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► If you're worried about screen space. If you're worried about performance. If you worried about the number of ports. [TS]
00:30:57 ◼ ► That's it like you can get it if you really want to because it's really sexy and light like you can get it. [TS]
00:31:04 ◼ ► I would say you know a lot of people have not really given this a lot of a lot of credit [TS]
00:31:09 ◼ ► but the the update to the thirteen inch Retina MacBook Pro at the same time which is already available people already [TS]
00:31:16 ◼ ► dissembled it. The update to that. I think is really interesting as well because you know. [TS]
00:31:26 ◼ ► They don't replace that never goes who so great all I want to buy one of those immediately like no one on C.N.N. [TS]
00:31:34 ◼ ► I was excited about I've always thought that's been a great machine. Like just a great compromise between. [TS]
00:31:38 ◼ ► You know it's gotten so thin over the years once the thirteen started to get is like as thin as almost as than as an [TS]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and they get the fact that they gave it the new trackpad on a screen has always been good I've always said that that's [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► But it is it is like the middle of the wildly to me there's three. MAC books worth getting really like these days. [TS]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Was like the default one to get these days I'm not so sure these I think I think I would say if they're going to retina. [TS]
00:32:06 ◼ ► It would be like the default one elk if you don't have any specific needs huge talent general purpose all. [TS]
00:32:11 ◼ ► All things OK. Get their training thread I would say the thirteenth reading or this one. Depending on who is buying it. [TS]
00:32:20 ◼ ► Like this one I think as I said I think this one directly replaces the eleven inch MacBook Air and. [TS]
00:32:26 ◼ ► I think the thirteen inch retina. Kind of already replaced a thirteen inch MacBook Air. And then the fifteen inch. [TS]
00:32:32 ◼ ► You know that's I think those are the three laptops that are worth getting this new one for those super fordable [TS]
00:32:41 ◼ ► If you have if you need to the pro things which is the more screen space the more horsepower The more you know the some [TS]
00:32:47 ◼ ► different ports for the most part are talking about screen space and horsepower. Our. [TS]
00:32:51 ◼ ► I did say last time I was thinking about buying one of these things. Now I'm not so what changed you. [TS]
00:33:15 ◼ ► I started thinking you know the times I do go on trips where I do need to get significant worked on like one of the [TS]
00:33:21 ◼ ► biggest ones. Is W.D.C. Every year. Where I often need to do coding work for labs and stuff. [TS]
00:33:29 ◼ ► Or install a new bed as in testing stuff. And in the last few years I've I've edited the show. [TS]
00:33:35 ◼ ► And so I have like pod cast editing which I love having tons of screen space for because logic is a massive screen [TS]
00:33:40 ◼ ► space hog. So I pod cast editing. And I have Xcode on this one trip I take every year and. [TS]
00:33:46 ◼ ► I don't take that many trips. And this is one where like. If I had the small screen. I could do those things on it. [TS]
00:33:58 ◼ ► I'm going to wait until broad Welcome to the fifteen inch and probably just buy one of those because. It would. [TS]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and just kicking myself saying Man I wish I could just would've just gotten a fifteen because what I'm doing these few [TS]
00:34:14 ◼ ► important things I really really need it. What I would like to know is who is this computer for. [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► What is the target audience for this computer and. I'm thinking about it and I'm thinking well. Why would I buy this. [TS]
00:34:29 ◼ ► Who would I buy it for and why would I buy it. The first person the comes to mind. Of course is Aaron and. [TS]
00:34:47 ◼ ► Performance absolutely not would the disk space Absolutely not. She stores nothing on her computer. [TS]
00:34:53 ◼ ► But what she does have hanging off of her MacBook Air is a couple of Fitbit adapters one to charge with [TS]
00:35:01 ◼ ► and one that is like the general communication little nubbin thing. That's a technical term. And obviously. [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► but if she wanted to fit to communicate with her computer not with her phone which I believe is an option as well I [TS]
00:35:22 ◼ ► don't have a fit some talking a little bit out of my comfort zone. She would still need at least one. Traditional U.S.B. [TS]
00:35:31 ◼ ► Port and. That would require one of these ridiculous eighty dollars or eighty dollars down goals. [TS]
00:35:38 ◼ ► And that's kind of unfortunate but if it wasn't for her Fit Bit say hypothetically if she had Napal watch. [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► She would pretty much never plug in any US be. Device for any reason whatsoever. Now. [TS]
00:35:56 ◼ ► and people in the chatter saying that as well so that makes sense to. And granted I hadn't been student. [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► Thumb drives whatever you would like to call them were a big thing. And people were using them. A lot. [TS]
00:36:14 ◼ ► Now that doesn't mean that will continue tomorrow. It doesn't mean that. It'll be that way forever but today. [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Not being able to use a thumb drive without a freakin eighty dollars adopter that's kind of crummy So you know who is [TS]
00:36:29 ◼ ► this for is it for these quote unquote business people at my job you know the project managers [TS]
00:36:34 ◼ ► and the other business consultants. Maybe. But again I mean. Thumb drives are thing. And I'm. [TS]
00:36:53 ◼ ► but it's mostly valuable compared to laptops in coach. So people who file in coach and also. [TS]
00:36:59 ◼ ► If you're carrying around so like if you're the kind of person who walks around your office all day going in [TS]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and out of meetings Internet a congressman you're constantly carrying a laptop with you during that time to take notes [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► on or check e-mail or whatever people do in meetings I really have no idea. It's like that is what this is for. [TS]
00:37:17 ◼ ► This is not for sitting on a desk being plugged in all day. I mean you can even tell like. I think one of the. [TS]
00:37:24 ◼ ► One of the reasons why the lack of mag safe is less of a problem or that Apple may be thought it was worth. [TS]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Or it was OK to get rid of it is because this really obviously isn't made to be use a desk all day. Doesn't have the. [TS]
00:37:37 ◼ ► The connectivity or the horsepower the screen space related to do that very well I think this is really. [TS]
00:37:42 ◼ ► This is made to be used. Out in about. While traveling walking around whatever the case may be and so. [TS]
00:37:49 ◼ ► This to me it's like. The reason why why it charges through U.S.B. Port and not something that can be torn off. [TS]
00:37:56 ◼ ► Is because i Pads and i Phones charge that way and this is meant to be used the same way. This is. [TS]
00:38:01 ◼ ► This is meant to be like you charge it up at night. You know you plug it in when you're done at the end of the day. [TS]
00:38:09 ◼ ► You're moving around somewhere you're picking it up off the table you're in an airplane whatever it's not plugged in. [TS]
00:38:19 ◼ ► but you know whether the battery was going to be that good like. You know want to C.P. [TS]
00:38:31 ◼ ► And so the battery life minded to being really bad. If you're if you're hitting it very hard at all. [TS]
00:38:37 ◼ ► We'll see if that's the case with this modern modern chips are pretty good about that kind of stuff so. [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► I think that's that's probably what Apple was at least thinking in the tablet most usage will bear out if you're using [TS]
00:38:50 ◼ ► You're not going to really be hitting anything that hard especially feed on small flash. You know. [TS]
00:38:54 ◼ ► I think it's meant to be used like an i Pad which is away from its cable all day. Plugged in at night. [TS]
00:39:07 ◼ ► I'm getting from Robert Thomas on Twitter I've been a university student for six years I think the last time I used to [TS]
00:39:16 ◼ ► and who was in the chat somebody in a chat I've lost your name I apologized a void. [TS]
00:39:21 ◼ ► Pointed out that there is a street U.S.P. Traditional U.S.B. Adapter for only twenty dollars. [TS]
00:39:26 ◼ ► And you can't power at the that's true but as I just said you know it does. Theoretically have all day powers. [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► It's certainly possible but I don't know it's just a flash flood some drives are going to come with Type C. [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► Connectors soon enough because Type C. Will rapidly replace the old U.S.B. I think on basically everything.. [TS]
00:39:55 ◼ ► Look you can type on this and so I want to talk about the limitations of this device [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► The heart of who this machine is for and I want to alter going to try to talk about the limitations and it's usually. [TS]
00:40:11 ◼ ► You know you shouldn't speak in a defensive way about things I'm trying I'm going to try to preempt the tweets that I [TS]
00:40:17 ◼ ► know already being about things based on past comments because I keep getting people trying to explain to me why this [TS]
00:40:24 ◼ ► or whatever Arnie said that in the keynote Apple did not feel the need to talk about why this thing only has one part [TS]
00:40:29 ◼ ► at all no justification for it. The key sort of preemptive defense a point I want to get to is that.. [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► I'm OK with this thing. Only having U.S.B. Type C. I expect the things don't have U.S.B. [TS]
00:40:46 ◼ ► Type certainly like the air is there anything era sized right. I'm OK with everything about their missing. [TS]
00:40:52 ◼ ► Getting rid of Macs safe. Getting rid of all the of the ports. Not having dedicated video out like. [TS]
00:41:00 ◼ ► If you don't have to have fifty different ports like. It is better to just have one type of Fort. [TS]
00:41:05 ◼ ► Then to have a million different ports. I'm OK with everything about this. Except I want. [TS]
00:41:11 ◼ ► The only point was I want to explanation of what do I get with one that I don't get with TWO lot of people are saying [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► It's not as if the case is imposed on them by another manufacturer they choose sides of the case. [TS]
00:41:23 ◼ ► They can make any dimension of this one or two or three millimeters water to make room for another one. [TS]
00:41:30 ◼ ► It's possible that they could have wedge another one in the other side and move the headphone board or whatever [TS]
00:41:38 ◼ ► You know whether there should be two it does also doesn't mean that there isn't a reason. [TS]
00:41:41 ◼ ► There isn't some advantage you get with want. People have suggested still just the power things that. [TS]
00:41:48 ◼ ► Would would cause a problem maybe the circuitry to handle two ports like beings you'd want to be able to charge from [TS]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Maybe the circuit she revealed to handle that makes things too big if you look at the inside you look at how much they [TS]
00:42:01 ◼ ► Apple chooses the size of these things so it's not you know. If Apple decided they want to have two U.S.B. [TS]
00:42:10 ◼ ► Which means that you can't use the thing sort of charger devices which many people have laptops do like they sit down [TS]
00:42:15 ◼ ► to the desk they plug a thing and they charge devices one need haven't done before ever. [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► So my only issue with the ports on this is that no one has that Apple has not given an official explanation for why [TS]
00:42:28 ◼ ► And I don't see any advantage to having only one port not to I see tons of advantages for not having on the other ports [TS]
00:42:35 ◼ ► like I understand that direction I understand that eventually this thing will probably have no ports. [TS]
00:42:39 ◼ ► Except some kind of magnetic snap on inductive charging thing when we get to that point right. [TS]
00:42:43 ◼ ► I understand this is forward looking understand all the stuff about the people are going to tell me you don't [TS]
00:42:47 ◼ ► understand it just like the original not bigger Yes yes totally agree one hundred percent. [TS]
00:42:50 ◼ ► Question is why can they fit another one is because they're so small. They're so tiny. [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► You could surely find someplace for another one and less to some reason that your not have one. [TS]
00:43:12 ◼ ► and this is driven headphone port which we don't seem to be able to get rid of because that is the most like old school [TS]
00:43:16 ◼ ► archaic you know around like Soon it will be the biggest port authority the widest part I think it's not I mean like [TS]
00:43:23 ◼ ► the highest court. You know what I mean like I think it's higher than U.S.B. Type C. but It's not as wide or whatever. [TS]
00:43:31 ◼ ► Hello everyone of these still stands mostly because I don't see what you would have lost by putting another single [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► U.S.B. Type seaport somewhere else on those and she on the other side or something. So that's one them attention and. [TS]
00:43:49 ◼ ► Look at the school switch mechanism the keys don't bounce I like that video I thought that was good marketing. [TS]
00:43:56 ◼ ► and everything like even if it doesn't matter like it just the old one looks old in Boston as we look new and shiny. [TS]
00:44:04 ◼ ► Apple did not feel the need to emphasize the fact that there is less travel here and might take getting some used [TS]
00:44:09 ◼ ► and I also feel like that's something that in the past. The past Apple might have felt some need to say. [TS]
00:44:14 ◼ ► There's less travel and it might feel weird at first but you used to it and actually it's You'll type faster on this. [TS]
00:44:19 ◼ ► And I've heard people say who have typed on this on the. You know it at the event that. It does feel weird. [TS]
00:44:24 ◼ ► But they're surprised at how fast they go that I think Jason Isbell or maybe it was Jason [TS]
00:44:28 ◼ ► or someone else said that it was kind of like a hybrid between a physical keyboard [TS]
00:44:35 ◼ ► I don't know if this is a good compromise our good limitation or like is it actually a positive or negative. [TS]
00:44:42 ◼ ► But at the very least it's something where people are or probably going to want to go to an Apple store and type on [TS]
00:44:46 ◼ ► and see how you feel about it. Oh definitely I would I would not like. Pre-order one of these things that typing on it. [TS]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Yeah I agree. The spacing look OK. Like Marco said that the rumor that the spacing is tighter. I can't tell. [TS]
00:45:02 ◼ ► and you'll be able to kind of feel it like the keys feel a little bit off for your whatever. [TS]
00:45:15 ◼ ► The arrow keys in the past you know based on the rumors the market Berman surgery Zach the right the left in the right [TS]
00:45:23 ◼ ► And I once again complained about that why can't I get full size up down and left or right arcades. [TS]
00:45:28 ◼ ► The answer is kind of battery related which is another limitation I got to in a second [TS]
00:45:43 ◼ ► but I was excited by the fact if you look at his keyboard you don't you have like a screenshot of this keyboard up [TS]
00:45:53 ◼ ► and maybe excited in evil way that somehow somebody force Johnny I have to put something asymmetrical on this keyboard. [TS]
00:46:04 ◼ ► They spar is not center yes the space bar is not centered on the track then of course keyboards have tons of things [TS]
00:46:10 ◼ ► and you know like the tab key is not the same with is this like the keyboards on telly symmetrical but putting the. [TS]
00:46:27 ◼ ► More than anything else on this particular machine you can't do that but I still long for on the fifteen inch. [TS]
00:46:36 ◼ ► I understand that it would break up the symmetry of the design. But like the fact that like you know. [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► Form over function that is more important for it to be aesthetically pleasing it is for me to fall size up [TS]
00:46:45 ◼ ► and down Archy's means that I will never want to do programming on on a laptop keyboard not that I really want to [TS]
00:46:51 ◼ ► anyway. But no I did a half size are accused me nuts and maybe people don't use the argues as much as programmers and. [TS]
00:46:57 ◼ ► I've never I mean you know I will nitpick anything I've never had a problem with that. I can't stand by me. [TS]
00:47:07 ◼ ► and you know if you use vi keys to who need the arrow keys of use emacs keybindings who they are keys [TS]
00:47:11 ◼ ► but I used the arrows both in combination with modifiers to move around documents. [TS]
00:47:20 ◼ ► It's not into anything new with this thing and in fact this machine has more excuse than any other machine. [TS]
00:47:24 ◼ ► To not move those things down because of the incredible shallowness of the of the enclosure. [TS]
00:47:30 ◼ ► If you move them down you would be cutting into the batteries precious battery space [TS]
00:47:34 ◼ ► and that brings me to the final run of the final talk about a track that I guess they were the final limitation I [TS]
00:47:41 ◼ ► The battery where they feel shows up their top Shauna's about the scallop to the terrorist battery thing where like [TS]
00:47:47 ◼ ► look if we tried to find a regular battery would stop here but we've made a layered batteries [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► You know what else would give you more room for battery fill up. Tapering the damn. Then if you did. Make it perfectly. [TS]
00:48:03 ◼ ► It's barely tapered as it is you're just taught your and yourself the original one of the wedge shape. [TS]
00:48:08 ◼ ► The when shape was part of the aesthetic right the original one is like it's you know. [TS]
00:48:13 ◼ ► or whatever it is barely a wedge all you're doing is making your own life worth if you made this thing the same [TS]
00:48:19 ◼ ► thickness from front to back. Think of how much more battery it's not like in significant amount of battery. [TS]
00:48:26 ◼ ► and so tiny like that not tapering it could give you like thirty forty percent more battery and. [TS]
00:48:34 ◼ ► Here's the thing about this chip that which everybody is using There was like you know this P.C. [TS]
00:48:40 ◼ ► And whatever it is he that Dell is the thirty things like borderless a Dell that would actually looks really nice like [TS]
00:48:45 ◼ ► I wish they would have done that and some of them have some of them have like eighteen hours of battery life [TS]
00:48:50 ◼ ► and again you know. Apple taking credit we've done this without a fan of like. Well. [TS]
00:48:57 ◼ ► You cannot make it fanless Yes it is a feat to make a fan list but there are lots of P.C. [TS]
00:49:00 ◼ ► Makers using the same chipset getting insane battery life like literally eighteen hour battery life. Right. [TS]
00:49:06 ◼ ► And people are hoping less you about Apple can get this. Apple instead went for thinness. [TS]
00:49:14 ◼ ► You know thirteen to fifteen hours of battery life out of them easy this one get less it gets nine hours about your [TS]
00:49:23 ◼ ► They don't have enough room to put any battery and they they're going backwards they're going to the sort of the. [TS]
00:49:28 ◼ ► The i Pad philosophy of like. What is an acceptable level of battery we think nine hours is acceptable. Right. [TS]
00:49:38 ◼ ► Which is spine it's a particular trade off but put the taper. That's what kills me. [TS]
00:49:54 ◼ ► It also by the way it makes it harder to open the lid like need like two hands I mean I haven't tried one of these yet [TS]
00:49:59 ◼ ► but usually like with the skinny. See the layers. You need to. And open the lid because like. [TS]
00:50:06 ◼ ► Pulls both sides of you know I mean that may be true about the about even if you made a descent that the hallway [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► but you know like in the first computer to use this super duper low power five watt chipset to have it not be at least [TS]
00:50:22 ◼ ► comparable to the old Eris is disappointing and it is it is a reasonable trade off. [TS]
00:50:26 ◼ ► And I agree with making things then there I agree with everything they're doing is just that one think it's found in [TS]
00:50:30 ◼ ► the stickiness I feel like the wedge shape is no longer. Giving you the ass that a boost. [TS]
00:50:48 ◼ ► It would make a heavy like that but I'm thinking at this size. Be two point one pounds two point two. Yeah. [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► I mean most of the way you're talking about like the enclosure and stuff on the screen I don't think. [TS]
00:50:57 ◼ ► I don't think the diff the difference in batter they would be a significant weight increase. [TS]
00:51:03 ◼ ► but it could be comparable it because if you look at this machine like getting a saw to sort of like wow look how much [TS]
00:51:08 ◼ ► battery is because you know they made the mother balsa motherboard super small so it's like all trackpad [TS]
00:51:12 ◼ ► and battery right. This machine I'm I'm going to guess this machine. Volume wise has more aluminum them battery. [TS]
00:51:23 ◼ ► They can't make a limb too thin or are you going to have been get with the with him. Miramax book right. [TS]
00:51:29 ◼ ► Especially as it tapers if you look like a cross section they show that is in any way accurate. [TS]
00:51:36 ◼ ► Even just in the bottom part more volume of aluminum than volume of battery maybe I don't that that may be pushing it [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► but the sidewalls can't be that then they have to be certain techniques for structural integrity. [TS]
00:51:46 ◼ ► There is very little room left in these things for battery. Right. And that paper could be cutting your battery. [TS]
00:51:57 ◼ ► So I think it's OK for there to be a machine with these compromises. I would just also like to see a. [TS]
00:52:04 ◼ ► You know I mean that's why I talk about a thirteen inch thirty inches basically the non tapered air but like twice [TS]
00:52:11 ◼ ► and that's why I think it's important because what we're saying basically like Apple already makes a computer that's [TS]
00:52:29 ◼ ► It would still feel like a different class of machines in a thirteen because they would have the weak C.P.U. [TS]
00:52:33 ◼ ► It would have like that's more limitations right so the what is the name of the chipset I keep getting it wrong is that [TS]
00:52:38 ◼ ► the the core M I believe so whatever it is the five watt integrated really small low power chipset that turbos up to [TS]
00:52:48 ◼ ► It's five watt that's what you're getting That's how you can have a fan listening right that is a limitation of this [TS]
00:52:55 ◼ ► And you get dividends that limitation fan listeners I am although hard for that like I love it I love the fact that I [TS]
00:53:00 ◼ ► even love the fact that they tried to hide the antenna internally of the performance that tennis great no big black. [TS]
00:53:04 ◼ ► You know plastic thing the fact that it's all metal the fact that it's all sealed up I must wish I could make it [TS]
00:53:14 ◼ ► but with no taper it would still feel like an entirely different class of machine and then the thirteen [TS]
00:53:21 ◼ ► Six millimeters thick or something like that does the thirty minutes like is that focus. Travel. Real chipset. [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► You know I mean. Fans right. Ports like it would still feel like a different class of machine and. [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► I'm you know I'm always trying to get my parents a better computers because I hate supporting them on their ancient [TS]
00:53:43 ◼ ► like white i Books or whatever the hell they're using it on human. Tired thinking about it. [TS]
00:53:49 ◼ ► I think it would be a great machine for my parents because they don't do anything that. [TS]
00:53:58 ◼ ► It is they don't need like eighteen hour battery life nine hours is plenty for them. [TS]
00:54:07 ◼ ► or have to worry about them suffocating it was like Puppy pillows when I have it on their their lap on the couch [TS]
00:54:12 ◼ ► or something and it's so small that they could move around like the manila envelope. [TS]
00:54:18 ◼ ► If they can tolerate the keyboard and if they're not freaked out by the if they have ticked for such type thing. [TS]
00:54:23 ◼ ► And by the way. All the people who were at the event who tried. The keyboard of course actually. [TS]
00:54:28 ◼ ► The keyboard everybody was a little polarized on. But the. The trackpad everyone seemed to love. I mean everyone. [TS]
00:54:35 ◼ ► By the track that I have I am fully willing to believe that it's awesome I'm in fact I'm hoping that again is another [TS]
00:54:46 ◼ ► and so this is going to be awesome because it's basically like adjustable tap to click right. Where it's. [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► She's not going to accidentally hit it. And you can adjust how much force I think it requires to like to do the thing. [TS]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and you know that's why I'm excited to see it in a thirteen inch I think the non-moving track bad could be a real win [TS]
00:55:09 ◼ ► when they got rid of the button I didn't really like the whole idea that the whole thing slanted including the part [TS]
00:55:17 ◼ ► and I'm willing totally willing to believe that they've nailed it on this trackpad and that. You know this will. [TS]
00:55:22 ◼ ► In the same way that like trackpads replace trackballs and they were kind of weird the beginning that fell down like. [TS]
00:55:28 ◼ ► Once Apple goes through this kind of track that everywhere once they inevitably at Forest touch all the I.R.S. [TS]
00:55:32 ◼ ► Devices will be like how do we ever live without this then Thomson's in the chat saying that he has tried to keyboard [TS]
00:55:40 ◼ ► and it does take some getting used to but you absolutely will and he also said that the trackpad is. [TS]
00:55:47 ◼ ► And now I'm quoting mind blowing. So just like you said John everyone seems to love it. [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► The other question I have which we only want a very quick to put in a very quick thought about is if the headphone jack [TS]
00:55:59 ◼ ► is really that big and really causing that much extra thickness. I mean we have bluetooth headphones. That's the thing. [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► They take away the headphone jack and say if you really want to listen to your computer get which is headphones [TS]
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00:59:37 ◼ ► Whether or not you think that the headphone port will eventually go away go away on the smack books [TS]
00:59:51 ◼ ► So I should start this by saying I haven't praise bluetooth headphones for travel slash mobile purposes [TS]
00:59:59 ◼ ► but not for your desk. Correct. And I think many people would find a similar tradeoff because they have batteries. [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► and you're not moving around you're plugged into a computer on the desk. You know. [TS]
01:00:12 ◼ ► Just go wired it's easier and they're they're lighter they're more comfortable because they're lighter. [TS]
01:00:23 ◼ ► And use range from a few hours to a lot of hours but you're not talking months. You know you're talking. [TS]
01:00:29 ◼ ► If you actually use bluetooth headphones full time listen to music. Most of the day every day. As I do. [TS]
01:00:35 ◼ ► How often do you need to recharge and every other day two days maybe. Yeah exactly. [TS]
01:00:42 ◼ ► If you can get similar benefits from Wired might as well right. So bluetooth headphones though. [TS]
01:00:50 ◼ ► So if I'm commuting or from walking the dog while commuting like on a train with her there do [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► but if I'm doing that I'll bring him. If I'm walking the dog I bring them on dog walks they're great. [TS]
01:01:03 ◼ ► and most of that's because of the Apple Watch in my opinion. Math books. Possibly losing headphone ports in the future. [TS]
01:01:14 ◼ ► And what will hold Apple back here is that Bluefin headphones by nature. Are complicated devices. They they have. [TS]
01:01:22 ◼ ► They have some kind of pairing interface they have R.F. They have batteries. Exactly and they have batteries. [TS]
01:01:31 ◼ ► And the kind of headphones most people use with their Apple devices did a little tiny white ear buds and. [TS]
01:01:37 ◼ ► You can't make blue headphones that small they do have bluetooth year but they do exist but none of them are small [TS]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and sleek as the apple ear buds because they can't be because they need somewhere to put a battery and. [TS]
01:01:57 ◼ ► You know have some kind of port on them to charge them I mean maybe inductive blah blah blah some day maybe probably [TS]
01:02:05 ◼ ► when they actually do it I think it will come a ventilator they'll be tiny little your bugs the have tiny little [TS]
01:02:09 ◼ ► batteries and them. They'll be no ports on them at all the last about an hour or something close to that. [TS]
01:02:15 ◼ ► And you'll stick them magnetically to some little recesses inside a tiny little mac book when you're not using them. [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► Even if that was possible I would question all that I would say they would not do that because that sounds really [TS]
01:02:27 ◼ ► clunky and I'm a member and they stuck to the remote to the side of the I'm back with magnets for the. [TS]
01:02:34 ◼ ► That's that would be the Apple way to do it is that there's no you don't plug these little tiny things in you don't [TS]
01:02:44 ◼ ► Because there is something very inelegant about even just the white ear buds the short cord [TS]
01:02:48 ◼ ► and plug it in it sticks out the side your. Bluetooth there buds are more elegant but like Marco said you know. [TS]
01:02:56 ◼ ► The battery problem batteries don't get better that fast and so you can't fit a big battery and there. [TS]
01:03:09 ◼ ► but inductively charge really fast off of your mac book you just gotta find someplace to stick them on [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► or in their current. But that's not in the near future I'm just thinking like your old stuff. Yeah I mean this. [TS]
01:03:18 ◼ ► This is the problem like I think if I think Apple has run through the same calculus. [TS]
01:03:23 ◼ ► If they could reasonably get rid of the headphone port. They would have already and. [TS]
01:03:28 ◼ ► Maybe in the distant future they will but I think I don't think that's that time is like imminent. Everyone thought. [TS]
01:03:39 ◼ ► and you have to ask yourself why the lighting the lighting part headphones I mean you could be that use the U.S.B. [TS]
01:03:45 ◼ ► Port for headphones like that's how the get before they go wireless the probably end up whatever. [TS]
01:03:53 ◼ ► and hopefully build you know their ear buds will have a little connectors are what I don't know. Right. [TS]
01:03:59 ◼ ► There are so many issues with trying to get this now it's like trying to get Apple to read because that's what they [TS]
01:04:06 ◼ ► would have to do if they get rid of half import they would have to basically replace their ear buds with something else [TS]
01:04:12 ◼ ► and whether you have to fix it by a separately that sucks and all the sudden. You gotta spend like you know. [TS]
01:04:17 ◼ ► Forty more dollars or fifty or whatever they would charge for probably more than forty [TS]
01:04:24 ◼ ► That you know just to use your i Phone with a headset. You know it. It's not it's it's not great. [TS]
01:04:30 ◼ ► So this is the problem is the. The Bluetooth headphone situation just by nature of needing batteries and. [TS]
01:04:38 ◼ ► You know blue to have fun. They are they have a certain minimum size. And a certain minimum level of clunking this. [TS]
01:04:44 ◼ ► And you know they need like a button a switch somewhere to turn them on and pair of them and everything it's. [TS]
01:04:49 ◼ ► There's a there's a minimum level of clunking us to them that. I don't see Apple. Wanting to address. [TS]
01:04:58 ◼ ► So badly to get rid of the headphone port. And that's not to say they won't eventually try this. [TS]
01:05:14 ◼ ► A headphone port as your move from a prominent device like to have them like first have the hardware tested out a [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► People going to freak out and much more so than having to buy new lighting cables like people are going to freak out [TS]
01:05:34 ◼ ► and not the say that you know that doesn't keep Apple from doing things sometimes. [TS]
01:05:42 ◼ ► and getting rid of a headphone jack on their most important product that. That would not be taken lightly. So again. [TS]
01:05:52 ◼ ► Not saying this will never happen. But I don't see it happening soon. Now going back to the Macbook. [TS]
01:05:57 ◼ ► I don't know I'm sure Apple has done some kind of research to know like how important this is I mean they. [TS]
01:06:06 ◼ ► Type sea port on the other side and just selling you know just like they have twenty dollars after the plug in U.S.B. [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► And I think that what's more I would not recommend that. Why why not because I think the use case for this. [TS]
01:06:24 ◼ ► and a lot of times you're working on a laptop in an environment where you want to watch some silly You Tube video that [TS]
01:06:31 ◼ ► So you're plugging a little white ear buds or even just listening to music while you're you know typing away [TS]
01:06:36 ◼ ► or doing your homework or whatever like you got to be able to just quickly plug in ear buds with no adapter. [TS]
01:06:43 ◼ ► Or or have a wireless solution of those magical things that just you know quick on to the side of your thing [TS]
01:06:47 ◼ ► or something I feel like that use case is more important than than than than a second part I thought I would never give [TS]
01:06:53 ◼ ► up that phone port for a second U.S.B. See honestly that would be a bad trade because I see people do it all the time. [TS]
01:07:09 ◼ ► You know it's common enough I agree but you know. I think one or one of two things of the case here. Either. [TS]
01:07:15 ◼ ► They didn't of research and they know that like way too many people plug in their headsets and. [TS]
01:07:22 ◼ ► Because you know because it's a microphone to abuse the head so there's no replacement like with the whole U.S.B. [TS]
01:07:28 ◼ ► Stuff is always a replacement of those no replacement there's no you have to have some way to make your computer stop [TS]
01:07:33 ◼ ► but you hear the noises your computer makes everything else everything else it's like well I don't have a thumb drive [TS]
01:07:43 ◼ ► But I can buy his dongle adapter you need something you want automatic disconnection of the built in speakers. Yes. [TS]
01:07:51 ◼ ► Sound thing for twenty five thirty bucks or whatever role knowing them forty bucks. If they made that like. [TS]
01:07:57 ◼ ► There's nothing stopping them from coding out into the O.-S. Where it automates is right now. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Two different sound advice and all the switches logically all in software. You know it's. It already does that. [TS]
01:08:06 ◼ ► So they could do that if they wanted to I think the more likely explanation for the headphone jack being there. [TS]
01:08:20 ◼ ► What single port in this size restriction can we put here. That would make some kind of logical sense. [TS]
01:08:28 ◼ ► And that about and I would think that I was devices for debts that are far before the mac books too [TS]
01:08:33 ◼ ► and whatever the I.R.S. Devices do to deal with that such as what the max would do eventually. Anyway. [TS]
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01:11:45 ◼ ► Check it out today thank you very much to her sponsor show once again. So John. Why is Ben Thompson wrong. [TS]
01:11:51 ◼ ► If he's not wrong in sentiment he's wrong about what he thinks my position is so I will try to emphasize again that. [TS]
01:11:58 ◼ ► The thing that is messed up about this machine was one port like it. The reason it's going to look weird and. [TS]
01:12:17 ◼ ► Like I totally agree that basically the main thing that's wrong with this is like i Pads don't have Fortnum. [TS]
01:12:27 ◼ ► You know what I mean the thirty pin connector doesn't count like that's the little that they do have one import that [TS]
01:12:33 ◼ ► can charge and you can plug in devices. I know but you know like no no U.S.B. Port like an S.D. [TS]
01:12:38 ◼ ► Card slot or expansion all the things that people would want to know that not true. The camera connection kit. [TS]
01:12:43 ◼ ► I know but they don't have a portrait of have one the plug that you plug nothing on to like there is no. [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► Card slot there is actually a you can't the camera connection kit you can plug in lots of things I know [TS]
01:12:56 ◼ ► but that's that's something I know what I'm saying. Also is the hope for the know. [TS]
01:13:05 ◼ ► You know what I mean what is going to look weird about this in the future is that it has but I still follow this. [TS]
01:13:13 ◼ ► and not to what I'm trying to say is I'm tired of the onboard with the idea that the port to go away on this thing that [TS]
01:13:19 ◼ ► and then eventually there's no kinds of Port except for some proprietary thing that Apple makes up for a charge [TS]
01:13:23 ◼ ► and whatever like that plugging things into your laptop would would not be a thing in the same way that playing through [TS]
01:13:28 ◼ ► your i Pad isn't a thing you say all about you know the camera thing and what about all the stuff you can plug and [TS]
01:13:36 ◼ ► How many of them do you see that have anything plugged into that port almost zero percent of them. [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► or whatever even want to see people using keyboard thinking board cases their Bluetooth. [TS]
01:14:01 ◼ ► You're using a stream a product that's not a common use case. The boy as you saw it take i Phones as another example. [TS]
01:14:09 ◼ ► You know things plugged in battery cases do everything anyone with something plugged into their i Phone That's reading [TS]
01:14:13 ◼ ► an S.D. Card from it. That using a U.S.B. Thumb drive on it. That's doing anything like that with it. [TS]
01:14:27 ◼ ► But most of the time you're going to be using me without something plugged into it to see what I'm getting at [TS]
01:14:30 ◼ ► but I think this lot of pigs is exactly the same way that's what you're going to see most people who buy this laptop I [TS]
01:14:39 ◼ ► Port and it does not have a Lightning connector on it does not have mag safe I just not have a proprietary Apple thing. [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► That is not a generic port. But it's a U.S.B. Port that nobody has been devices for yet. Anyway. [TS]
01:14:50 ◼ ► or in this analogy which is trying to show that you're trying to trying to pick up this analogy was not the main point [TS]
01:14:58 ◼ ► I am all for that I'm not saying let's hold back the tide bring back the floppy drive like I don't know how much I can [TS]
01:15:04 ◼ ► emphasize this like. Yes. Get rid of all the freakin parts eventual eight right. On an infinite time scale they're all.. [TS]
01:15:10 ◼ ► All I want to know was what am I getting for having one U.S.B. Type C. Instead of two. [TS]
01:15:16 ◼ ► And nobody has been able to tell me anything other than saying that one is less than two [TS]
01:15:20 ◼ ► and a venture they were going to get a deer Oh and I feel like the euro is better than one. [TS]
01:15:25 ◼ ► Practically speaking for this particular machine but that is a statement that is where we're going. [TS]
01:15:30 ◼ ► There is it's a step change of like well you have zero or you have one if you have one. [TS]
01:15:34 ◼ ► Everybody's going to try to cram everything through the one with a series of crazy adapters right because like well [TS]
01:15:42 ◼ ► And it can do all these things like it is a stand in for all the other ports. Because you have one. [TS]
01:15:47 ◼ ► Everything is going to funnel into one spot whereas if you had zero or you had a lightning connector [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► or something like that it would be like well. This is obviously not a machine that I plug things into like. [TS]
01:15:57 ◼ ► Into your mac and use it in separate monitor and you can you know do all these sorts of things with the [TS]
01:16:03 ◼ ► and I'm going to plug something it's going to charge it and it's going to give my i Pad a second display. [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► But they will do that with this because it has the one port. So what I'm saying is like if you're going to do one port. [TS]
01:16:19 ◼ ► Well it's a trade off well you have this way or that I'm perfectly willing to believe that. [TS]
01:16:27 ◼ ► when I don't buy because I feel like you could make the case began for the second part on there are now. [TS]
01:16:34 ◼ ► I am also totally on board with the idea that no one cares about the second part except for nerdy people. [TS]
01:16:39 ◼ ► Totally and thing about use cases as I mentioned my mom just you know like as a actual example [TS]
01:16:43 ◼ ► but I think for basically everybody who isn't into computers. Who wants to have a lot of computer in their house. [TS]
01:16:50 ◼ ► This is the one to get because it's so small you just put it with like the stack of magazines next year. [TS]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Everyone should have like I said with the i Pad I feel like this is the type of thing that just the land around your [TS]
01:17:10 ◼ ► and you can look stuff up while you're watching T.V. or You can. You know read your e-mail whatever. [TS]
01:17:15 ◼ ► That's that's what these things are perfect for these are our computers for the masses. I totally agree with that like. [TS]
01:17:21 ◼ ► This is more for the masses than the thirteen inch pro is. This is more for the masses than any of the areas are right. [TS]
01:17:27 ◼ ► This is the laptop for the masses getting rid of everything getting rid of the fan getting rid of ports they don't [TS]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and not the mac book heir to the next book vapor the mac book prelude any of those things. [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► People don't need all that other stuff that we're talking about this is the one that they should sell the most of its [TS]
01:17:51 ◼ ► price. Really like twelve thirteen hundred bucks it's not like a two thousand dollars type of thing. [TS]
01:17:56 ◼ ► I totally agree with that. I can agree with all of that. And also complain about. If they had made it. Not tapered. [TS]
01:18:03 ◼ ► Would it stop being the MacBook for the masses know it would not. If they had put two U.S.B. Type C. [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► but it stopped being the mac book for the masses No I feel like the masses would also not notice that those two things [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► are there and it would make it more capable with very with a tradeoff that I think the masses wouldn't care about. [TS]
01:18:19 ◼ ► But the nerdy people like us. Would really appreciate because we're not the point of going to zero things. And we are. [TS]
01:18:27 ◼ ► The taper was something that actually people would appreciate because I think would make it easier to hold by that [TS]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Like if I hinted to get tweets are people telling me you don't get it does your gig is going to be regular for other [TS]
01:18:40 ◼ ► people I don't know how many other ways I can express it. I totally agree with you. [TS]
01:18:48 ◼ ► And unless someone explains to me the trail I'm totally willing to believe it is like oh you couldn't do this because [TS]
01:18:55 ◼ ► The you know the circuitry for controlling two different power ports or to made the motherboard too big so [TS]
01:18:58 ◼ ► and so forth. But I haven't got an explanation. As far as I'm concerned you can make the same machine. [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► A few millimeters different few dimensions. Get rid the tape or put to U.S.B. Touch the ports on it. [TS]
01:19:10 ◼ ► Keep the price pretty much the same have better. Have better battery life. And the masses would still love it. [TS]
01:19:15 ◼ ► And we would love it even more and as things stand I still think it's kind of a great machine [TS]
01:19:20 ◼ ► and Jerry have a doesn't deserve the screens on the air a terrible. And this one is just as fast and it has no fan. [TS]
01:19:27 ◼ ► You see I I can agree with you there because if the if the priority is to make as freaking tiny laptop as you can [TS]
01:19:40 ◼ ► But the fact of the matter is I do like it I wrote a whole article about how I get remember that article that was me. [TS]
01:19:49 ◼ ► Why don't they add a couple millimeters here there blah blah blah I don't but they don't want to so. [TS]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and width to make room for the part you know me OK So they want this case this case is what they want. [TS]
01:20:01 ◼ ► But that's not good design not integrated You don't design you don't design a car but it onto the body first [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► and figure out how you can fit the insides in there. I think that's a really shaky analogy. [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► But I think the thing is they wanted to case to look like this because that makes a lot more sense in in computers than [TS]
01:20:22 ◼ ► and then I think they said well we only have room for one thing. On the left hand side. [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► We don't have any room in the right hand side because we want to do a headphone jack for all the reasons we just [TS]
01:20:36 ◼ ► Make that a traditional mag safe or make safe to or we can embrace this new U.S.B. Type see is that right. [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► And because people are slow in dimwitted myself included because I just earlier in the show talked about how I have to [TS]
01:20:58 ◼ ► have my U.S.B. Ports and they couldn't figure out exactly which one thing he did or what I needed them for. [TS]
01:21:04 ◼ ► They need to know that they have some sort of parachute and they have some sort of escape hatch. [TS]
01:21:19 ◼ ► But at least people know that they have even if it's by way of a twenty dollars after they have a means of plugging in [TS]
01:21:31 ◼ ► And so that to me is a much better choice than straight up mag safe too because at least it gives options. Now granted. [TS]
01:21:41 ◼ ► But as they're dragging people into the future and they refused to stop thinking about tomorrow John. [TS]
01:21:47 ◼ ► They're trying to give some people the option of plugging in these legacy devices for the little bit of time they have [TS]
01:21:55 ◼ ► In the same way that they use that they did I think still do support using another computers. Optical drive. [TS]
01:22:08 ◼ ► Like your site you're saying is of all they need to have a ports of people feel the safety. [TS]
01:22:14 ◼ ► But you're not arguing against to like what is the argument like everything you said applies to two parts just as well [TS]
01:22:22 ◼ ► And I think the only answer I have is the answer the you're not going to allow which is. [TS]
01:22:26 ◼ ► This is the size case they wanted this is what they wanted to do. If that was their philosophy if they actually did. [TS]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and figure out how to have the any thought that it which seems like not a great philosophy for that because I mean you [TS]
01:22:39 ◼ ► get that. Realities are like that in the house and all they can make them of the bore they didn't like that. [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► I just may be the designer from the outside and if that's the way that I don't know. That's fine. [TS]
01:22:47 ◼ ► I just think it's a bad way to design things because the insides. Such an effect on the outside that. [TS]
01:22:52 ◼ ► If you are dead set on some particular dimensions like how would you even come up with those dimensions why not make it [TS]
01:23:01 ◼ ► You know what the realities of the inside there have to be some key travel you have to find bat. [TS]
01:23:08 ◼ ► You can't have moving keys with batteries underneath them because it's not thinking up so I feel like the insides do [TS]
01:23:16 ◼ ► Even if Apple totally designs the case for us and figure out how I can fit everything in it. [TS]
01:23:21 ◼ ► I think that's a bad philosophy and they should design them together as as one unit working in a single unit. [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► And that there should be some form of you know like decision of what kind of product you're going to make is this going [TS]
01:23:34 ◼ ► to be the one that has no parts no it's going to be the one has some parts how many parts of the going to have where [TS]
01:23:37 ◼ ► they're going to go. Like design that into it. Someone in the chat room says like that again. [TS]
01:23:44 ◼ ► Missing the idea that I think it's perfectly fine for us to have one a nobody will care by geeks which I will keep [TS]
01:23:48 ◼ ► repeating the people keep telling me that I don't understand that because I totally do.. [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► This is like when they're on that I had no floppy drive and I would say it's more like the i Mac. [TS]
01:23:57 ◼ ► If the AM I GOING had one floppy drive instead of two floppy drives like the mac se had. That's what it's like. [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► It's like we're getting rid of law because they didn't get rid of the ports. They're still ports. [TS]
01:24:05 ◼ ► They just have one of them instead of two right and can you get away with one of the poor in such a. [TS]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Yeah you can but what am I getting you know floppy drives a much larger than the style of U.S.B. [TS]
01:24:19 ◼ ► And maybe saving if you'll notice here and there are no on non-technical. But on with and hype maybe somewhere. [TS]
01:24:29 ◼ ► Port instead of two even it even if you just take it like it wouldn't be great to be able to put the power in both [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► Sure but you would have a thicker computer which is not what happened what do you think [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► If you just shift the keyboard down to millimeters make the case. Longer to millimeters there. [TS]
01:24:51 ◼ ► And I maybe will fit an existing case for all we know I'm still not entirely convinced that wouldn't fit there some [TS]
01:24:56 ◼ ► and you have the headphone part on the other I'm not quite sure if you couldn't get it if it like that I just you know. [TS]
01:25:01 ◼ ► They designed the case they can make it would not be appreciably bigger of that two of them I feel like. [TS]
01:25:07 ◼ ► It would be bigger than it absolutely has to pay would get slightly longer battery life too because the bigger case [TS]
01:25:12 ◼ ► with him for battery. You know what I mean like it's just but then of the heavier and the weight like that O.B. [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► The third you mention the retina. But it wouldn't be like it again do you think this machine with no taper. [TS]
01:25:23 ◼ ► Would still be extremely distinct from the thirteen inch. Extremely obese. It would be way a lighter way thinner. [TS]
01:25:29 ◼ ► Right and I'll get all these things I'm not saying this is a reason this machine is no good [TS]
01:25:44 ◼ ► Broaden it without narrowing the field without making it worse for those people because they are not going to noticed. [TS]
01:25:51 ◼ ► Like they're not going to notice that they don't they're not going to such connoisseurs they can say oh this one's [TS]
01:25:56 ◼ ► Well the other one tapered a lot of this was only tapered a little or not at all like. They don't care. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► It will be two point one pounds that two pounds they don't care they don't notice those things. [TS]
01:26:04 ◼ ► Next year as one would be two pounds like they'll they'll eventually get there when the C.P.U. [TS]
01:26:08 ◼ ► Takes two watts instead of you know I mean like. There are very few drawbacks additions that I'm suggesting. [TS]
01:26:17 ◼ ► or you don't think the drawbacks are big so who would notice these drawbacks who see. [TS]
01:26:26 ◼ ► But the thing is I'm not the one designing this computer in regular people aren't the ones designing this computer. [TS]
01:26:32 ◼ ► This is all about what Apple wants an Apple wants the thinnest frickin computer they can get in the small apple on it [TS]
01:26:38 ◼ ► around Mouse two in their own on that one too and they still say they're right on that. [TS]
01:26:42 ◼ ► But that's the thing is that they still think they were right the Apple does what Apple wants to do [TS]
01:26:47 ◼ ► Yes I understand what you're saying that for an almost imperceptibly small addition in volume and in surface area. [TS]
01:26:55 ◼ ► We could have another port and that unequivocally I am not arguing would be hugely useful. But in the end of the day. [TS]
01:27:03 ◼ ► The design goal for this machine seems very clearly to be make it as frickin tiny as you can. [TS]
01:27:11 ◼ ► Port and make it a tiny inductive charging thing that slapped onto a lamp right and it was made even thinner. [TS]
01:27:19 ◼ ► or you could reduce the key travel further you could make the trackpad shallow or you could make the Think smaller [TS]
01:27:24 ◼ ► and lighter. At some point they everything is that you know that this particular compromises. [TS]
01:27:28 ◼ ► There's nothing dictating this particular size. You could make it even smaller and even thinner. [TS]
01:27:34 ◼ ► Shaving even more of these things off millimeter he'll know a meter there. They decided to shop shaving at this point. [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► I'm just nip willing at this little tiny edges of the problem that you know it sounds like all your complaining about [TS]
01:27:56 ◼ ► It's great for almost everybody I would recommend the machine more than the market was saying you know who this [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► or minus the keyboard travel Johnson try myself before I completely unequivocal recommend everybody. [TS]
01:28:11 ◼ ► This is the one to get Apple correctly named. SMAC book and not mac book air or any other variant. [TS]
01:28:17 ◼ ► This is the mac book this is the future of laptops. Love everything about it. Just have these few quibbles. [TS]
01:28:24 ◼ ► And then we keep arguing about it because people think these quibbles are not valid complaints in any way. [TS]
01:28:29 ◼ ► And I think they're totally valid complaints about this machine that is the best laptop out was ever made it's probably [TS]
01:28:34 ◼ ► the best laptop for everybody except for people is going to the show maybe. So journey to buy one. [TS]
01:28:40 ◼ ► I might wonder why it's not what it's going to thirteen inches. If you've got a thirteen inch air and. [TS]
01:28:46 ◼ ► I hear those stupid fans running all the time when the screen is terrible and you can't look at it [TS]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and this one would probably be faster like even the C.P.U. Is probably slower at the S.S.D. and It is probably faster. [TS]
01:28:58 ◼ ► I can't resist to replace that until I see if they have a something to connect it to monitor you know the equivalent of [TS]
01:29:04 ◼ ► a thunderbolt display where you'll have some kind of adapter a power thing because it's in the desk right yeah.. [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► Well they they do only for a T.M.I. and V.G.A. Notably it can't connect to an Apple thunderbolt display. [TS]
01:29:18 ◼ ► You know and it can't carry the big red no one so you can't power the five care. IMAX style size display from that. [TS]
01:29:24 ◼ ► And that's actually a good point. I think if they're going to come out with a new display. It's going to be a five K. [TS]
01:29:30 ◼ ► But if they do that this laptop can't drive that don't you think with a room in their lineup for like a twenty four [TS]
01:29:42 ◼ ► Well I mean I don't seem to want to make monitors at all anymore. That's. Yeah I think that's the big thing. [TS]
01:29:52 ◼ ► Thunderbolt extra let's play for whatever version of thunderbolt can support that. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Can support it and we just don't know it but I think people around the numbers on gas will like you did G.P.U.. [TS]
01:30:05 ◼ ► In this particular mac book I think it can't do output at more than four K. But you know it's. [TS]
01:30:13 ◼ ► I wouldn't surprise me if Apple's just going to wait until whatever bus can support it. [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► You know I mean I don't I tend not to like laptops for if I was going to get one. It would be. [TS]
01:30:34 ◼ ► This type of thing like super thin super light all I'm doing is a by browsing and typing because is much of my i Pad. [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► If it comes time to buy out an e-mail I don't want to do it on my i Pad I would much rather have this thing so yeah I [TS]
01:30:45 ◼ ► would totally buy this for myself if I had money. Hanging around for a laptop which I don't. [TS]
01:30:53 ◼ ► This does have lots of great uses I mean that's one of the things I I've considered for years. Picking up. [TS]
01:30:59 ◼ ► Like an old or refurbisher very very baseline eleven inch air to basically be my bedside. Laptop because I will. [TS]
01:31:07 ◼ ► So often want like will you know go to bed and I'll build all you know I want. I had an idea. [TS]
01:31:13 ◼ ► You know before we go to bed I want to type up an idea or for a blog post or or you know type up an email [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► or something or respond to some e-mails or something where I want to do things that involve typing [TS]
01:31:26 ◼ ► I don't like doing those things like you on an i Pad I would rather have a keyboard so you use dictation I've been [TS]
01:31:33 ◼ ► and like I don't want to type so I will just use the dictation thing on a keyboard I us to do longer things. [TS]
01:31:46 ◼ ► but I find it more efficient than trying to type but I still want to keep our family longer obviously. And so like. [TS]
01:31:54 ◼ ► If I if I use laptops a lot. I would totally get one of these things for my like bedside laptop. [TS]
01:32:07 ◼ ► And I don't use it so often that I that I would give justify having a second one. I probably you know I'm going to. [TS]
01:32:14 ◼ ► But you know I totally see that like the I think we're going to sell a lot of these things. [TS]
01:32:19 ◼ ► For a whole bunch of uses where people aren't really plugging into except our sometimes. [TS]
01:32:23 ◼ ► So I'm sorry you're saying this would be your night. Laptop. Yeah you know there's lots of my downstairs laptop. [TS]
01:32:29 ◼ ► If you if you can afford to have one of these things in every room you seven i Pad Air two and a room [TS]
01:32:34 ◼ ► and one of these things are never on yes just for convenience. You know. Just so you can pick it up but. [TS]
01:32:38 ◼ ► Well you can even you can have three different colors now. So you can have you can have like. You know. [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► and then as the seasons change you rotate totally on board with this plan I can tell you more a tiny debates about the [TS]
01:32:55 ◼ ► things that I can move on no more light about the logo on the back. Instead it's mirrored. [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► I you know I'm actually surprised it took in this long to do that because there has to you know to some degree that's [TS]
01:33:05 ◼ ► that's leaking. Non-trivial amount of light. And it weakens the weakens the back of a case though. [TS]
01:33:10 ◼ ► Yeah it weakens back of the case it's leaking white out so that you've got to compensate for that so the screen is [TS]
01:33:18 ◼ ► and I'm sure it's not a massive amount of mean there's a ton of light behind L.C.D. Anyway. But it's something. [TS]
01:33:27 ◼ ► and more power constrained as you try to eke every little bit of battery life out of something [TS]
01:33:31 ◼ ► and every little bit of power out of something that starts to become significant. And so I mean in this case. [TS]
01:33:38 ◼ ► It was probably honestly this is probably about sickness and not any one of the reason but [TS]
01:33:44 ◼ ► Not that it's tired or anything like it is still kind of a nice look but it's a little tired. [TS]
01:33:51 ◼ ► Gives a lot of the same effects but just with a kind of a different look and I can show. [TS]
01:33:54 ◼ ► Off like their precision polishing and machining of think that think it's nice. Yeah. [TS]
01:33:57 ◼ ► And the other one is the backlit keyboard which I've kind of like backward keyboards [TS]
01:34:03 ◼ ► but I never like the kind of way the light leakage around them it doesn't really make a clean look. [TS]
01:34:11 ◼ ► but it's a side effect of the fact of the keyboard is so damn thin that you can't there's no room for an entire layer [TS]
01:34:20 ◼ ► Inside each thing actually probably save space and is a nicer lock and is just better and. All I can think of was. [TS]
01:34:29 ◼ ► and seeing the keyboard shortcut highlighted with L.E.D.S. On the laptop like of the gist of that system wide. [TS]
01:34:34 ◼ ► Oh yeah I mean a lot of people are saying like Wouldn't it be awesome if these things were software controllable. [TS]
01:34:38 ◼ ► Deal with turn them on an authentic play now. The reality is I was as listing through it. That sounds incredible. [TS]
01:34:45 ◼ ► It's very unlikely that that's possible in this version because that would require controller hardware in the keyboard [TS]
01:34:50 ◼ ► to be able to independently turn them on and off as opposed to just like turn on all of them and turn off all of them. [TS]
01:34:55 ◼ ► At this brightness level. You know. And that that circuitry probably doesn't exist in this. In this model. [TS]
01:35:00 ◼ ► It would be a pretty thin wire like it. Could you could be done if it's going to show up. [TS]
01:35:07 ◼ ► Maybe it would be helpful for like training purposes of just like remind you what the keyboard shortcut as I don't [TS]
01:35:15 ◼ ► But if there it was going to show up anywhere jump on one of the thicker computers for us [TS]
01:35:20 ◼ ► and honestly I'm not entirely convinced of the use cases just as soon as you have individual lights. [TS]
01:35:26 ◼ ► You Middle East are thinking of ways to control the well I mean the use case is just like the use case of having a lot [TS]
01:35:35 ◼ ► Some people who aren't touch typist need to look at the key caps to see where the keys are [TS]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and even people are Touch typists Kasia need to look like what symbols on the F.N. [TS]
01:35:46 ◼ ► But like you know they reflect even if you're in a pitch like you're in the reflected light from the screen is usually [TS]
01:35:50 ◼ ► enough to live it keyboard enough I mean like it's it's totally a limit a keyboard. [TS]
01:35:54 ◼ ► Our really nice totally unnecessary. But really cool and really nice and that's why they do it. [TS]
01:35:59 ◼ ► I know a lot of people who swear by the back light a keyboard and will say that whether this is true [TS]
01:36:02 ◼ ► or not will say that they can't they can't type in the dark without the backlash on the keyboard. [TS]
01:36:07 ◼ ► You know and they like I agree with you about the screen light and everything like that [TS]
01:36:12 ◼ ► and I've seen people not by Max because they didn't have the back good keyboard. It just seems nice and this. [TS]
01:36:18 ◼ ► This seems much nicer than Like I said in the old backlight that was always leaking from around the queues us this [TS]
01:36:24 ◼ ► Just like the little letters on the keys light like they do want to Cartage part right in the daytime it just looks [TS]
01:36:30 ◼ ► White light comes out of the letters they haven't done the reverse one yet but that'll. Maybe maybe a couple years. [TS]
01:36:40 ◼ ► Casper Warby Parker and hover and we will see you next week. Now the show is over. [TS]
01:36:48 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be good because it was that the dental X. The dentist or. John let me see my K.C. With him. [TS]
01:37:10 ◼ ► The Dow And if you are trying to get pummeled and he was no says that's keep lists [TS]
01:37:22 ◼ ► and the team article on our men are free to say they really key is really going to watch on the after after show. [TS]
01:37:51 ◼ ► That's why I asked didn't Skype like twenty minutes ago we just go on for the whole thing early [TS]
01:37:56 ◼ ► but I just I felt having going longer on the laptop and we're still going to get angry e-mails [TS]
01:38:00 ◼ ► and telling me that I don't get it done only that just because weeks don't like the snow anyway. [TS]
01:38:03 ◼ ► We're going to go along because we're going to get feedback e-mail I'm going to talk about it next week. [TS]
01:38:08 ◼ ► Yeah I suppose you know I mean personally like I'm hoping the reason I'm like I'm waiting for the fifteen just even if [TS]
01:38:14 ◼ ► I don't abide with us you know I want to wait to see what it is because it's possible it's some point they're going to [TS]
01:38:22 ◼ ► To the other laptops they always do that right so at some point there's going to be a fifteen inch. [TS]
01:38:30 ◼ ► That has some of the events of this now with when they brought the thirteen at the same time. [TS]
01:38:44 ◼ ► and Intel's always late so we'll see but maybe to anybody see. They might have a new fifteen inch retina to show off. [TS]
01:38:53 ◼ ► Backlights unlike what other parts of you're looking to say so it might. You know we don't know I mean you know it's. [TS]
01:38:58 ◼ ► There's obviously it's going to have the for such track back as they brought out a thirteen inch we can tell that's [TS]
01:39:07 ◼ ► and lighter by a little bit who knows probably not because those four courtships need a lot of power. [TS]
01:39:13 ◼ ► So probably not but maybe it'll have space gray gold options you know maybe like we don't know at some point. [TS]
01:39:21 ◼ ► Some of these benefits are going to have to live right so maybe it'll have the weird new keyboard. Maybe not. [TS]
01:39:34 ◼ ► and then for them to have time to technologies to move up so they might move up this year they might move up in two [TS]
01:39:43 ◼ ► but with a longer travel like the stability the supposed ability of the bot of like he switches. [TS]
01:39:48 ◼ ► I mean that's solving a problem that nobody has actually said well I kind of agree that like you know as I've used. [TS]
01:39:53 ◼ ► Use these you know the apple woman I'm keyboard for a while and I've broken several of them just using them [TS]
01:39:58 ◼ ► or the key some switches start to get sticky like those little silly questions are not. Yeah. [TS]
01:40:04 ◼ ► I forget which he was but one of them like will start sticking and then I've disassembled them [TS]
01:40:10 ◼ ► It's the never quite come back to the way they were like they are they do start to get a little wobbly [TS]
01:40:15 ◼ ► and one side of them will stick down because it will it doesn't go down straight it does go down till didn't one start [TS]
01:40:21 ◼ ► of a sight. Star system. It's probably because you know I'm always hearing the edge of a particular key. [TS]
01:40:25 ◼ ► Instead of dead center. So if you can get keys that. Go up and down without tilting maybe the last longer. [TS]
01:40:33 ◼ ► I don't think it's so much about feel just in terms of their ability I've I think it work I'm on my third one of these [TS]
01:40:44 ◼ ► but for a desktop keyboard I feel like you know I think I would like to see this mechanism of longer travel just to see [TS]
01:40:49 ◼ ► how it would be because I was I felt like I said I found a marketing video showing the key. [TS]
01:40:53 ◼ ► Moving up and down more straight even when it's not hit dead center I found that. Fairly compelling. [TS]
01:40:59 ◼ ► It makes me sad to hear you talk about a butterfly keyboard not be talking about a Think Pad. [TS]
01:41:03 ◼ ► I know about that when I went up on market was talking about his disappointment level like. [TS]
01:41:07 ◼ ► If he got a small laptop at any of the small screen he would be cursing like lightning just get the bigger screens I [TS]
01:41:12 ◼ ► feel so cramped all I could think of was like a laptop that opens up and like the screen gets bigger [TS]
01:41:16 ◼ ► and you can fall that you know I got the fifteen inch screen you close up but it's a thirteen inch size. [TS]
01:41:24 ◼ ► Lightning cable to make an i Pad a second screen I thought well what if I like you know take out [TS]
01:41:29 ◼ ► and have that be my my second monitor for a laptop but you got your i Pad. I Pad Pro. [TS]
01:41:37 ◼ ► I can can you imagine like you're sitting on a plane like trying to just have any room at all [TS]
01:41:43 ◼ ► and the guy next to you is setting up this like multi monitor set up I cannot deny you your tray table for my second [TS]
01:41:48 ◼ ► monitor. Right exactly like fight over the arm wrestle he's taken out to i Pads to be. The triple monitor of. [TS]
01:41:56 ◼ ► So needs but yes I need to go to the bathroom to start disassembling the stuff. Well V.R. Will take care of that. [TS]
01:42:02 ◼ ► So all those things that are on trade tables be strapped your face and ever notice be sitting there in there [TS]
01:42:16 ◼ ► All right so do we want to talk about the sample watch before everyone just quits the show. Oh yeah the watch. [TS]
01:42:23 ◼ ► or the only thing we need to do in a timely manner as I think a dress the pricing stuff. [TS]
01:42:32 ◼ ► I think in the last show one of the essential question of those will you be able to get into an apple watch edition for [TS]
01:42:41 ◼ ► The answer that is no you will not be able to kind of have a large edition for four digits. [TS]
01:42:47 ◼ ► Like they could have gone one thousand nine hundred ninety nine but on seemly for such an expensive out of ten K. [TS]
01:42:55 ◼ ► and all the other predictions a group of us most obsessive thing that I was reading about us get revising his [TS]
01:43:00 ◼ ► predictions the advantages for every single possible combination of stuff. I haven't. [TS]
01:43:04 ◼ ► He hasn't posted his like big post more involved how did I do on pricing things so I maybe I'm wrong about this [TS]
01:43:13 ◼ ► and what I was most surprised by was the big gap that there's a bunch of fairly reasonable price watches. [TS]
01:43:20 ◼ ► and a big gigantic gap and then ten K. Instead of like a smooth slope where you work your way up to ten K. [TS]
01:43:30 ◼ ► You know like a spread price range my recollection of Gerber's predictions which I of course did not look at before the [TS]
01:43:36 ◼ ► show. Were that it was a much more gradual slope like if you graph that whereas the actual prices were like oh. [TS]
01:43:42 ◼ ► All the apple watches are pretty reasonable prices. Then there's a big empty space. And then rich people. Yeah. [TS]
01:43:50 ◼ ► I believe he was saying the the link bracelet stainless steel I was going to be like fifteen hundred [TS]
01:43:58 ◼ ► and that's not you know he was not far I mean of most of the people making press vixens I think he was among the [TS]
01:44:05 ◼ ► You know notable person predicting these things I mean you know he was saying edition would be ten to twenty thousand [TS]
01:44:10 ◼ ► which it is. Exactly I mean does pretty much what everybody is saying that's why the question was will you be. [TS]
01:44:14 ◼ ► Able to get in addition for for like Will the like that will be like a super low in addition one that you can just [TS]
01:44:19 ◼ ► barely get in if you like seventy nine ninety nine or something the answer is no. Yes. [TS]
01:44:24 ◼ ► But it is because we all we all knew they were going to go into five digits in the question How high would they go. [TS]
01:44:30 ◼ ► Right because the most expensive when you get a seven seventeen and a lot of people are predicting. Ten twenty thirty K. [TS]
01:44:43 ◼ ► Overall I'm very happy with the pricing you know I I am not at all a gold person I don't want. Gold. [TS]
01:44:50 ◼ ► Even if it was similarly priced as steel I would choose steel. Because I guess I just don't like gold. [TS]
01:44:57 ◼ ► You know just not I think so I was never considering it to begin with so the fact that it's ten thousand dollars [TS]
01:45:07 ◼ ► And I was afraid that the steel one was going to be like the predictions were like steel. Like the feel of the ceiling. [TS]
01:45:13 ◼ ► Bracelet of that was like fifteen hundred two thousand and like there's no way in hell [TS]
01:45:16 ◼ ► and it was that the one I would like to get if I if I was going to get on it or not like is that was really good. [TS]
01:45:21 ◼ ► And I'm happy to see that one down around like at this point like all the Apple Watch you just ignore the goal once [TS]
01:45:27 ◼ ► pretend they're not even there because Apple kind of is to maybe we'll talk about the next week [TS]
01:45:33 ◼ ► Every time I go buy an i Pad end up spending close to a thousand dollars a month i Pad I feel bad about at the time [TS]
01:45:40 ◼ ► The GOING TO GO INTO THE started getting out alive it starts three hundred day you're probably going to walk out. [TS]
01:45:48 ◼ ► And you feel bad about it when you buy and you feel like and you really did spend too much but you'll like it [TS]
01:45:54 ◼ ► Because what we are you getting to a thousand dollars you personally with an apple watch I know it can be done. [TS]
01:46:18 ◼ ► Where the gold looks the best all the other gold ones I've seen like you said Mark I like just don't appeal to me. [TS]
01:46:24 ◼ ► In fact I think the way they go on the book better is if they made a gold link bracelet because like Look just go all [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► If the gold was like you know it was just gold the mint gold are saying like the hole [TS]
01:46:33 ◼ ► and I think the reason they're not is. I think they're really dipping their toe in the water with this like. [TS]
01:46:41 ◼ ► You know the reason why there's limited quantity is annoying to me in certain stores is partly for exclusivity [TS]
01:46:46 ◼ ► but it's also partly because you know like I tweeted the other day during the event that it wouldn't surprise me if [TS]
01:46:54 ◼ ► there is no apple addition to like. If this is a one off really enter this is the only time they ever do that. [TS]
01:46:59 ◼ ► I saw you tweet that what makes you what makes you think that. I'm not saying this will fail and. [TS]
01:47:06 ◼ ► and because it does seem like Apple is kind of unsure whether this will even work or not and you know. [TS]
01:47:14 ◼ ► It seems very clear that that's an experiment the rest of the Apple Watch. They're serious about it. [TS]
01:47:19 ◼ ► The addition you can tell is an experiment. And it could go great and it could sell a gangbusters. [TS]
01:47:25 ◼ ► It might prove to be. Not worth it for them because like you know selling game busters. [TS]
01:47:47 ◼ ► It was a bit surprised me because I think no matter how successful this is they're still going to want to sell gold one [TS]
01:47:52 ◼ ► and maybe they'll bring the prices down if it wasn't successful I think it will be successful so I think it's moot [TS]
01:47:58 ◼ ► Yeah I think there's pretty much no way the addition line can fail because the success criteria are so limited like [TS]
01:48:05 ◼ ► they don't expect to sell a lot of them. But they seem committed to the idea that if you're in the. [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► If you're going to sell watches. The watch market has this little part that's like this. [TS]
01:48:21 ◼ ► but they feel like that we have this kind of the same reason they keep making the MacPro like computers go up to [TS]
01:48:25 ◼ ► computers that personal computers go up to this and. We're. And we sell. We don't sell low and computers we sell. [TS]
01:48:38 ◼ ► and I think it's even more of an imperative to do that with watches because like you know the. [TS]
01:48:43 ◼ ► You could argue that the whole apple part of the watch thing is all sort of towards the addition at a not really into [TS]
01:48:48 ◼ ► the Swatch part just so happens that there's washy one is still three hundred fifty bucks right. [TS]
01:48:55 ◼ ► Gruber included as I did has a doing very smart analysis so has a Jonathan Geller But you know if you're poor guy he's [TS]
01:49:05 ◼ ► As a watch person as as as the kind of person who is familiar with the existing high end watch business. [TS]
01:49:11 ◼ ► I don't think Apple really cares that much about the existing high and watch business [TS]
01:49:14 ◼ ► and how they fit into it because the reality is they're going to be selling these things. [TS]
01:49:19 ◼ ► Mostly to people who don't wear watches who aren't part of that high end business the addition. [TS]
01:49:23 ◼ ► Maybe more and more the people but I bet not. I bet. The addition sells mostly to geeks like us. [TS]
01:49:30 ◼ ► And people who like technology. Who are just a lot wealthier and who care a lot more about this kind of stuff. I don't. [TS]
01:49:36 ◼ ► And I'm not saying it's gonna be all these I'm saying it's going to be like you know. Not people who are pretty like. [TS]
01:49:41 ◼ ► No one to be precious and saying you know what I could get a Rolex. Or I could get the gold apple watch. [TS]
01:49:49 ◼ ► I Phone you're wearing your wrist like that's where you're wrong about this that it does the reason is not a gold i [TS]
01:49:54 ◼ ► Like Apple doesn't make a gold i Phone It's not it's not just because like phones don't call it [TS]
01:49:58 ◼ ► but they do like people make those that virtue whatever crusted phone thing. Right. [TS]
01:50:05 ◼ ► but they are making a gold watch because the watch is jewelry it's a thing that you wear it is it is a beautiful thing [TS]
01:50:10 ◼ ► and of itself it is a different class of Prodicus fashion it's where you cross that threshold as we talked about it many [TS]
01:50:15 ◼ ► passion was once you wear something not carry it with you even when you carry with you going to the fancy cases [TS]
01:50:20 ◼ ► and everything but once you wear it and it's jewelry. And it's an established piece of jewelry called a watch. [TS]
01:50:26 ◼ ► I think you have to address the market of people who. Like to wear gold jewelry and. [TS]
01:50:31 ◼ ► It's not just rich people like I mean another ten K. Want to like them but just in general like. [TS]
01:50:36 ◼ ► I think that is a different nature of this product is different I think you have to address that market if you're going [TS]
01:50:41 ◼ ► to be in the high end. But I don't think you need to make a gold i Phone. Because I like I think you know. [TS]
01:50:46 ◼ ► You're right about the most people who are going to Apple watches are exactly as you describe. [TS]
01:50:50 ◼ ► But I think the people who are going to buy gold ones are the people who are buying it as a piece of jewelry. [TS]
01:50:55 ◼ ► That also does cool stuff I agree. I didn't say I didn't wear myself very well there so forgive me. [TS]
01:51:02 ◼ ► What I mean is that even the people who buy the gold one. Are going to be people who are not. Who were not otherwise. [TS]
01:51:10 ◼ ► Wearing a gold watch necessarily some of them will be but I think even even among the gold sales. [TS]
01:51:18 ◼ ► Don't have any other gold watches first of all I bet the not going to be like why didn't i Pod cast about computers [TS]
01:51:23 ◼ ► first of all. But I think it's going to be mostly people who are buying it because it is the Apple Watch. [TS]
01:51:31 ◼ ► Not because it is the newest gold watch in the world. But because it is specifically. The gold apple watch. Course the. [TS]
01:51:39 ◼ ► But those are going to be Bill who already own gold watches I'm saying isn't a thing like they're buying it because [TS]
01:51:47 ◼ ► They want to new gold watch this watch give them something of their watches don't let me try the computer watch that [TS]
01:51:54 ◼ ► but I I would imagine the number of people who buy the gold apple watches their first gold watch is very small. [TS]
01:52:01 ◼ ► All right well. I mean it will probably never know this information. I would bet against that. But none of us all. [TS]
01:52:13 ◼ ► Certainly you Marco if you are forced to buy gold watch that's the one you'd buy. Right. [TS]
01:52:18 ◼ ► All three of us could buy it just to be fair. We just wouldn't give us. I mean it really depends on where you know. [TS]
01:52:24 ◼ ► You want to allocate your money home like it they go to college. You know Michael Wacha but anyway. Yeah. [TS]
01:52:36 ◼ ► We don't none of us were even to even any of us even wear jewelry. At all. I were a watch. [TS]
01:52:41 ◼ ► I don't know if you'd classify my watch my twenty thirty dollars Timex watch is generated is it a plastic because I [TS]
01:52:51 ◼ ► Well I mean that kind of counts you do wear a watch do you think of it as like a fashion thing where you would like [TS]
01:52:57 ◼ ► where you look at your outfit and decide whether the watch is appropriate to wear with your outfit or no. [TS]
01:53:16 ◼ ► and I think I think all of our wives would agree that Casey is the most fashionable out of all three of us not. [TS]
01:53:21 ◼ ► Not about the high bar at all but that I'm not particularly fashionable. Look where does that that. [TS]
01:53:28 ◼ ► But all kidding aside I I do you only where the citizen generally speaking if I'm dressing up for something nice like a [TS]
01:53:35 ◼ ► wedding or Christmas holiday party. If I were to spend ten thousand dollars on a watch today. Which. [TS]
01:53:47 ◼ ► I would absolutely be getting something that does not say Apple on it I would probably get a pen [TS]
01:53:54 ◼ ► So you do have a little bit of that I don't know that is so it shows you are actually know something about the. [TS]
01:54:11 ◼ ► and so I saw their ice I have seen a lot of his watch it's obscene his role excesses pan arise and. [TS]
01:54:18 ◼ ► I feel what other ones Omegas. There's others that he has that I don't recall off the top of that off the top my head. [TS]
01:54:24 ◼ ► But I always really fancy dishpan arise though the path is a pen or a is or any pen [TS]
01:54:28 ◼ ► or I I've ever seen is that they're freaking HUGE and. I have little teeny tiny wrists as of that. [TS]
01:54:37 ◼ ► I don't think I could actually get one but in this hypothetical. If I were to spend. [TS]
01:54:43 ◼ ► Serious money on a watch I would get something like that there is no chance I would get an apple watch because I want [TS]
01:54:49 ◼ ► something that's going to age in age well. And there's something classic about a traditional analog watch that. [TS]
01:54:57 ◼ ► I don't think an apple watch. Would would hold up over time I mean look at any movie watch. And you see flip phones. [TS]
01:55:06 ◼ ► Or you know everyone makes fun of the Zach Morris cell phone from Saved By The Bell. I mean. [TS]
01:55:19 ◼ ► Watch is not the biggest gold watch you can get like it's not like it's like the pebble where it's conspicuous in like [TS]
01:55:29 ◼ ► Because it's actually smaller that somebody here from all the people who are there trying to watch it on themselves [TS]
01:55:36 ◼ ► It is smaller than you think it is like in the pictures it's always right up in our face it looks like it's the size of [TS]
01:55:44 ◼ ► Actually put it on it seems smaller so I think it is not out of step with the size of regular watches. [TS]
01:55:55 ◼ ► when we see this watch like two decades from now in a movie or something. It will evoke the time. [TS]
01:56:04 ◼ ► Because I think it's about the size of a watch. Like it's not the size of a computer watch. [TS]
01:56:09 ◼ ► It's about the size of a watch watch right. Well it's a fairly unusual shape for for most fashionable watches. [TS]
01:56:16 ◼ ► Well I mean if you look at the marketers and other watches that he's made that look also look like Airstream trailer [TS]
01:56:38 ◼ ► but you don't think these are going to get externally thin I mean they already have all the ports Gawd got I could say [TS]
01:56:43 ◼ ► that would straight say you know that the secret lighting part inside the band thing that is true actually. [TS]
01:56:49 ◼ ► But but all kidding aside. You don't think that these are going to get considerably thinner over time. [TS]
01:56:55 ◼ ► I think they will go thinner but like what I'm saying is that I think they're below the threshold of embarrassment [TS]
01:57:03 ◼ ► You know the pants that depends that get thinner on the ankles bell bottoms do look silly but we don't look at them [TS]
01:57:07 ◼ ► and say that's back when they had to make the bottom of pants really wide. Didn't have to it was a fashion thing. [TS]
01:57:12 ◼ ► And even though they kind of have to because of the battery and other concerns here. [TS]
01:57:15 ◼ ► I think it's within the boundaries of watch especially since what Like you said like a panorama is Dutch isn't the [TS]
01:57:20 ◼ ► trend now is for these gargantuan watch of the least in men's watches that it won't look. That crazy. Of course. [TS]
01:57:28 ◼ ► I mean your point still stands about like you have something to stand test time whatever the things they go obsolete [TS]
01:57:33 ◼ ► the batteries going to die the internals going to be terrible then sure you're not going to be able to it won't even be [TS]
01:57:39 ◼ ► Like it's going to go away in a way that a ten thousand dollars gold other watch won't go. [TS]
01:57:47 ◼ ► when you had your grandchild you had your grandchild this. They're not going to turn The knows about it because like. [TS]
01:57:55 ◼ ► and be even if it's not the be nothing they can do with it. Like all the function. [TS]
01:58:00 ◼ ► All its functionality will be gone because you know. Will beyond Bluetooth standard seventeen or whatever. [TS]
01:58:05 ◼ ► You don't like it just won't work anymore it just won't do its job anymore where is the traditional watch will continue [TS]
01:58:10 ◼ ► to do its job exactly the same. Well and you know in case you know you're saying you. [TS]
01:58:16 ◼ ► You would treat a very expensive watch purchase like like an addition as an investment. [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► You know like you would want this to be a long lasting peace that you would probably have the rest of your life [TS]
01:58:30 ◼ ► That is completely not how people are going to be thinking about this and Apple knows that. [TS]
01:58:34 ◼ ► And they're willing to take that risk because there are enough people in the world. Many of them. Not in North America. [TS]
01:58:40 ◼ ► There are a lot of people in the world who are very happy to spend ten thousand dollars [TS]
01:58:45 ◼ ► or seventeen thousand dollars to get themselves or their loved ones. One of these. [TS]
01:58:51 ◼ ► There I think it's no coincidence that the red and gold one is probably the best looking one lined up [TS]
01:58:59 ◼ ► and it is one of the most expensive. And that those are trying to scholars and it's made for women. [TS]
01:59:15 ◼ ► Because we don't we don't understand the culture there. From what people who do understand it. [TS]
01:59:20 ◼ ► Say what we've been able to learn is that this is going to sell like crazy to a lot of people it's like they're [TS]
01:59:31 ◼ ► Are not frowned upon to the degree that they are another I mean everything is a continuum I think. [TS]
01:59:38 ◼ ► Shows of wealth are frowned upon more in some places less than others in the U.S. In the eighty's for example every. [TS]
01:59:48 ◼ ► You know and then there was kind of a grunge was a reversal of that and I So we know the U.S. [TS]
01:59:56 ◼ ► Showing your status and how much wealth you've gained. Seems to be more acceptable. [TS]
02:00:00 ◼ ► In that country right now that it isn't ours to the point where like having golden shiny things is like you know. [TS]
02:00:06 ◼ ► More popular there than it is here and I'm just not a fan of the whole gold color I remember when Lexus first came out. [TS]
02:00:15 ◼ ► I think this was a factory option if it wasn't tons of people are getting aftermarket where instead of having silver [TS]
02:00:20 ◼ ► chrome. Like the word Lexus all the little trend pieces the chrome around the windows the grill. [TS]
02:00:26 ◼ ► You could get them with gold and I always thought it looks so awful and tacky but it was everywhere. [TS]
02:00:31 ◼ ► And these watches look like her but except for I suffer like that except for the red and gold [TS]
02:00:37 ◼ ► It goes together I just you know with the other ones especially with the lack of a Goldband it doesn't click [TS]
02:00:42 ◼ ► and I think we're also going to see these like on celebrity is on the red carpet you know like it we're going to we're [TS]
02:00:47 ◼ ► going to see it even if they're not there as the rent that for the day just like they do the rest the drollery and. [TS]
02:00:54 ◼ ► We're not going to own them ourselves but you know they're going to be a lot of people out there who do. [TS]
02:01:03 ◼ ► Even though you said they're going to sell out of it in China in the grand scheme of things. [TS]
02:01:06 ◼ ► They're going to sell a very small number of these compared to the number of other watches they sell. Oh yeah. [TS]
02:01:10 ◼ ► All I'm saying is they're going to is that among among the ones they do sell a large portion of those will be sold [TS]
02:01:16 ◼ ► enjoy right. But so if you have an original Apple Watch EDITION. Gold thing. As an investment item. [TS]
02:01:26 ◼ ► Long after it stops functioning. It may be not saying that it's going to gain. And you know like. [TS]
02:01:33 ◼ ► Ferrari's basically you buy them for a million dollars they lose value you keep them for ten years in office on the [TS]
02:01:37 ◼ ► right twice what you paid for them because they make like. You know well as an exact five hundred a year but maybe the. [TS]
02:01:45 ◼ ► And they're all sold or whatever like doesn't matter nobody can test them. The smaller. [TS]
02:01:52 ◼ ► and they put mileage on like all your depreciate your one point two million dollar car just keep it for twenty years [TS]
02:01:56 ◼ ► that thing will be worth two point five million dollars Don't drive it like if you think you want to make money with a [TS]
02:02:14 ◼ ► Like because there are a few of them and so I think if. If you have more so than if you had the very first i Phone. [TS]
02:02:27 ◼ ► and you have one of those in twenty years it will be worth more than you paid for it. [TS]
02:02:31 ◼ ► Well and especially if it's a one off. That's a this is this was part of the logic in going into my. [TS]
02:02:37 ◼ ► My thinking that you know what if this was a one off what if there is no apple watch addition to next year. [TS]
02:02:42 ◼ ► You know like. Because it makes us win even more prestigious. If they don't keep making them. [TS]
02:02:54 ◼ ► Like you know they've released Windows like the stupid Disney vault and all that's like that stuff. [TS]
02:02:58 ◼ ► All plays into the exclusivity the high fashion angle here. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Anyway. [TS]
02:03:08 ◼ ► One thing that I don't think has been talked about too much with regard to the addition is to go back to the pan arise [TS]
02:03:16 ◼ ► and traditional watches. My understanding of these really expensive traditional watches is that. [TS]
02:03:27 ◼ ► when you said Marco you're making an investment right hypothetically be making an investment. [TS]
02:03:32 ◼ ► I meant that your you meant that more ways than perhaps you realized in so far as you can trade these things like [TS]
02:03:42 ◼ ► I know that my friend who is really into watches. He would go through watches. Constantly. [TS]
02:03:47 ◼ ► He was like a freaking day trader of watch his feet as he was constantly buying new ones selling the ones he has and. [TS]
02:03:57 ◼ ► That's a very very vibrant market which I don't know how well that's going to work out for the addition it doesn't it [TS]
02:04:05 ◼ ► but that's a piece of the more traditional walk watch market that Apple may not really be getting into [TS]
02:04:11 ◼ ► when I'm curious to see what the fallout has a negative connotation to it what the fallout is from that. [TS]
02:04:18 ◼ ► We talked about that the tech angle on this is no way around it like it's going to be eventually obsolete the battery [TS]
02:04:25 ◼ ► They're going to have a swap of the gods probably not do you know what all the stuff. And these are things by the way. [TS]
02:04:30 ◼ ► All of our questions were discussed at length about the upgradeability in the pricing [TS]
02:04:35 ◼ ► Apple could not set minds at ease but just like if Apple has decided to bridge not sure they entirely have [TS]
02:04:50 ◼ ► We're going to have an internal upgrade program. We're going to have a trade in program or. [TS]
02:04:54 ◼ ► We're not going to do that or whatever like leaving it unknown it is at the very apple move. [TS]
02:05:00 ◼ ► But it leaves uncertainty of people you know I yam with that but the ten thousand on market. [TS]
02:05:07 ◼ ► And the fact that there is no answer out there because people buy ten thousand watches have some expectations like a [TS]
02:05:11 ◼ ► set of you to be able to resell it and buy another one or to give it to their kids or how long you're going to last [TS]
02:05:21 ◼ ► Don't buy this hoping that it's you know it's going to become obsolete you don't even know. [TS]
02:05:25 ◼ ► Like I think Apple has said they were placed a battery for you were just the overpriced the battery [TS]
02:05:28 ◼ ► and all their things you pay them money so that's fine but other than the battery. It's going to be obsolete. [TS]
02:05:35 ◼ ► Are you going to be sad that you can't replace the internals of because Apple's not saying that you can so don't buy [TS]
02:05:42 ◼ ► but clearly Apple doesn't think that it's a deal breaker on this that they can they can go to market with this with [TS]
02:05:47 ◼ ► just leaving this is as a completely you know we haven't announced anything about replacing the inside here watch which [TS]
02:05:52 ◼ ► is exactly what everybody predicted to new apples that Apple is not going to come out there [TS]
02:05:55 ◼ ► and tell you that you can upgrade because those watch that is a fantasy of people who you know. [TS]
02:06:03 ◼ ► They could still change their mind if it turns out that no one wants the bodies edition because they have upgrade them [TS]
02:06:11 ◼ ► but I think the watches will be kind of like i Pads even more so that they'll last a really long time like Eventually [TS]
02:06:20 ◼ ► You know they're going to become obsolete because the protocols they talk to the i Phone with Will. [TS]
02:06:27 ◼ ► The new watches will be able to do so much more that the whole class of really cool apps that you can run on your watch [TS]
02:06:35 ◼ ► when I have to get a new watch because the cool video conferencing whatever app won't run on my origin all Apple I [TS]
02:06:46 ◼ ► when a show like this the security camera showing the garage door opening in the key you know it was like super low [TS]
02:06:50 ◼ ► frame rate that's because the camera. Like you know it's one of those like not don't. [TS]
02:06:55 ◼ ► One of those video can surveil cameras that need take that picture every second or two to save space right. [TS]
02:06:59 ◼ ► At the all blurry. It's not as far as I can tell imitation the lot from a market tell me better could you display. [TS]
02:07:06 ◼ ► Thirty first or second video on the watch. Not probably not with a watch good because you have to stream. [TS]
02:07:11 ◼ ► You have to like have the images on the i Phone Extension and then they stream over Bluetooth over to the watch now. [TS]
02:07:18 ◼ ► I haven't used to watch yet so I don't know how fast the connection is in practice but all the guidance on the S.T.K. [TS]
02:07:24 ◼ ► So far is basically like don't expect images to transfer quickly. Assuming you could get. [TS]
02:07:30 ◼ ► You know a you know age two six four two six five in a future video on there is there decoding hardware to play about [TS]
02:07:38 ◼ ► as the areas that are alleged to fix for decoder part where on there can it play video like that's my other question to [TS]
02:07:43 ◼ ► you knowing the limitations like watch get whatever like if Apple wanted to show video on its thing. [TS]
02:07:48 ◼ ► Could it do that and I would guess yes but I really don't know like no one knows what's in that us one thing right. [TS]
02:07:53 ◼ ► Well how do they do the animated emotion some being genuine like. That is animated. That's like open. [TS]
02:08:00 ◼ ► That's like Open G.L. Like I assume there's Open G.L. Stuff in there are Open G.L. [TS]
02:08:05 ◼ ► but yeah Skip is there the dedicated hardware to decode like whatever codec you know its tricks for now like is that on [TS]
02:08:13 ◼ ► Does another thing that's going to obsolete this original hard because eventually there will be a bit vengefully will [TS]
02:08:22 ◼ ► From Are things not in this version but like you know inevitably it will come. I suspect that. [TS]
02:08:25 ◼ ► I suspect that's all there already I mean it isn't. It doesn't expose overwatch kit to developers. [TS]
02:08:31 ◼ ► But I'm I would be very surprised if it wasn't there like why would why would you make it seems like that probably the [TS]
02:08:38 ◼ ► out what the S one is is a couple of generations old i Phone. Thing redesigned and shrunken to be the S one. [TS]
02:08:45 ◼ ► Yeah I mean like what one of the rim people are saying it is basically an A five. Performance level. [TS]
02:08:50 ◼ ► So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it actually is for the most part. A five corps. [TS]
02:08:56 ◼ ► and some dice shrinks over time which that they have already had a few of them already so you know. [TS]
02:09:01 ◼ ► That's fine I I really don't expect the C.P.U. Speed of the watch. To matter that much in the grand scheme of things. [TS]
02:09:08 ◼ ► That's why. These are going to have a subgrade cycle probably and. That's not going to be that big of a deal. [TS]
02:09:19 ◼ ► You know that's that's probably of the house like I'm better off going to the limiting factor here. I think. [TS]
02:09:39 ◼ ► but the native apps are going to places like gravity what people want to people do with native apps because their [TS]
02:09:46 ◼ ► Like the current functional exposes plenty to do glances pointed to all the stuff to transfer files like everything's [TS]
02:09:57 ◼ ► It would surprise me if people had tons of apps on their watch I mean the watch might end up being a lot of people's [TS]
02:10:03 ◼ ► today screens. Where you have like five or six apps on there that you use a lot and. [TS]
02:10:10 ◼ ► But you don't have one hundred fifty apps and your watch we don't know I mean I don't. [TS]
02:10:15 ◼ ► The big thing is we still don't know all the big killer apps for this thing is we still don't know like. [TS]
02:10:21 ◼ ► What are people going to do with the native watch. S.T.K. A year from now that we're not foreseeing yet. [TS]
02:10:28 ◼ ► That Apple isn't even for seeing it. That's going to be all my God this is a great use of the watch. [TS]
02:10:33 ◼ ► Right not just like shovelware from the i Phone with a little watch remote view. With you but I'm doing. [TS]
02:10:45 ◼ ► That would not be a very good i Phone app or would not be possible on the i Phone. [TS]
02:10:49 ◼ ► We don't know that that's all future unknown stuff for the most part today we really have no idea. [TS]
02:10:54 ◼ ► And I think for the most part Apple still has no idea. So we'll see. For the most part I would expect. [TS]
02:11:00 ◼ ► You know for upgrade cycle I would expect it to be like. You know for nerds like Austin might be two to three years. [TS]
02:11:08 ◼ ► For nerds like us who don't buy the watch. Oh you're getting one but I'm I'm not a Casey a getting one. [TS]
02:11:13 ◼ ► Of course he is sitting right now. No well so he is the sitting back now this is this is a killer app that C.S.S. [TS]
02:11:21 ◼ ► Unfortunate going to build a new Yeah exactly. So sitting here now. No I'm not getting one. [TS]
02:11:27 ◼ ► But as I said on analog that's really just claim chatter for you guys and for Mike. [TS]
02:11:32 ◼ ► Because I suspect sometime over the next two to three months I will probably get one [TS]
02:11:37 ◼ ► and not to totally repeat analog with short short version of what I said there was I felt the same way about right feel [TS]
02:11:50 ◼ ► Fast forward a couple years and now you can pry my you know i Pad with retina and subtler out of my cold dead hands. [TS]
02:11:57 ◼ ► So I will probably end up getting one knowing me because every time I'm like me to one of your points I think I was [TS]
02:12:11 ◼ ► I sitting here now not so sure on the other problem having is the one I really want to see you know ten. [TS]
02:12:20 ◼ ► Space black space gray whatever it is with the with the link band which I think what you guys said you want to do as [TS]
02:12:32 ◼ ► I still want to see them in person before a judge originally originally a one of the. [TS]
02:12:37 ◼ ► My goal with the bands was because going to be taking it on an awful lot and I have already watches middle school. [TS]
02:12:44 ◼ ► I know I know myself I know I'm going to be annoyed at trying to match the same fit every time I attacked the band. [TS]
02:12:58 ◼ ► I also do not crazy about the idea of a plastic band just doesn't he feels Laura last. Some are. [TS]
02:13:11 ◼ ► Like there's like a syllable missing in the middle there last summer. Yeah. You hear that with when he when he says it. [TS]
02:13:17 ◼ ► I think I black out for a moment he says that word anyway so my goal was to get like a fixed fit. [TS]
02:13:24 ◼ ► Quick release on and off. And to me the only two that really do that are the modern buckle in the link bracelet. Now. [TS]
02:13:31 ◼ ► I as. As I've said in the past even though you don't believe me I don't like to be flashy and. [TS]
02:13:37 ◼ ► Because I haven't haven't worn a watch and so long I fear that a metal watch band would be flashy on me. [TS]
02:13:43 ◼ ► And maybe not to see them in person. I also was leaning towards the dark one before the event and and. [TS]
02:13:48 ◼ ► Since the event while all the new photos and everything. The dark one looks really dark. [TS]
02:13:52 ◼ ► Like way darker than the original pictures that were on the original site. I think it's too dark anyway. [TS]
02:14:02 ◼ ► I was a little little upset that the colors were all feminine before and that the black one. [TS]
02:14:11 ◼ ► I tried on the paper prototypes occasionally to earlier Thank you Casey. Tried those on and the modern buckle. [TS]
02:14:18 ◼ ► Even in the largest size. Just barely fits all around my wrist so I'm guessing it's too small. [TS]
02:14:22 ◼ ► Apple tries very hard not to call these men's and women's watches which is admirable but the. [TS]
02:14:29 ◼ ► And the fact that women on average have smaller Eastern men is bad like you may not be called women's and men's [TS]
02:14:40 ◼ ► But by making it to a small you're basically dictating like we're not going to say this is a woman's watch we're going [TS]
02:14:45 ◼ ► to make it so small that even a small man is going to have a hard time getting us around his wrist [TS]
02:14:59 ◼ ► There's the link bracelet which is a pretty masculine thing I don't think women's watches tend to have big. [TS]
02:15:10 ◼ ► I don't think the Apple Inc bracelet is famine and really but they do make that one in both sizes. For example anyway. [TS]
02:15:18 ◼ ► If you're a man with smaller if there are options for you but the modern buckle is a little feminine. [TS]
02:15:23 ◼ ► I still would be attracted to it for it for the quick release inside locking thing but it's just too small for me [TS]
02:15:29 ◼ ► but I said all the ones that have a series of holes. You always put it back in the same hole that you. You know. [TS]
02:15:39 ◼ ► I'm not sure I would be confident to pre-order yet but the the one I'm most looking at now is the black leather loop. [TS]
02:15:46 ◼ ► And I know it doesn't it doesn't keep its size fixed. It's similar to the military's loop. I don't. [TS]
02:15:52 ◼ ► I don't present wrong I'm sorry. But it's even it's. It has like the little like not choose between each letter. Link. [TS]
02:16:11 ◼ ► I also I think will increase it looks kind of too old for me. Like. I don't know maybe. [TS]
02:16:21 ◼ ► but I feel like I'm the wrong generation to wear a metalink bracelet again. To be totally wrong. [TS]
02:16:32 ◼ ► I don't I don't have to actually answer the watch the whole like I actually intrigued by the watching now that I have [TS]
02:16:40 ◼ ► It's not even because it's too expensive the only reason like anyone asks I just don't wear a watch. [TS]
02:16:46 ◼ ► Of any kind of thing that I strap my wrist in that's not a habit the do and I don't. [TS]
02:16:53 ◼ ► Like in middle school to try it out and I don't like it and like things on my wrist and. [TS]
02:16:57 ◼ ► That's the only thing stop me from getting it is many things making me want to get it like luck even though you know [TS]
02:17:01 ◼ ► our watches tried it might be cool I'm actually very interested in trying out the watch. [TS]
02:17:05 ◼ ► And if I actually did buy one I probably wouldn't buy the want to describe just because the reason I hate things on my [TS]
02:17:13 ◼ ► It would just get caught in my arm hair and he would do the all pinchy and it would just like. I would want. [TS]
02:17:21 ◼ ► or I think he called it rubber what I heard you did. Yes Robert. Thames like you know those suits for elastomer right. [TS]
02:17:29 ◼ ► Like that comfort would be that. I need to sweat pants of the watches. Go with the rest of my wardrobe right like. [TS]
02:17:39 ◼ ► but I think it might be cool to have a cool little screen things so I'm not going to say I don't think I'm going to [TS]
02:17:44 ◼ ► wait for the i Watch six to get one of these are the least try one I may try it and regret it badly [TS]
02:17:48 ◼ ► and really was argues for me getting this cheapest Apple I possibly can just to see if can you wear a watch. [TS]
02:17:53 ◼ ► But I'm definitely. Intrigued by this device and would love to find out if it's a thing that has any place in my life. [TS]
02:18:02 ◼ ► But yet. As a piece of sculpture I like the standard steel one with the link bracelet. [TS]
02:18:12 ◼ ► Yeah well and the comfort angle is big to me too and it's one of the reasons why I'm considering the letter. [TS]
02:18:28 ◼ ► I didn't think about that well I don't I'm not that smelly my my wife or places are watchband every And whatever year [TS]
02:18:32 ◼ ► or two. And when she does it smells bad. Interesting. Well. Hundred fifty bucks for a new one. [TS]