The Accidental Tech Podcast

106: That’s Slightly Right


00:00:00   damage on those battery that now save for later I had two nights later in the [TS]

00:00:09   follow-up section it's all in there this is what I get for messing with the Kings [TS]

00:00:13   follow up my apologies for the follow-up fairy comes at night just like you wake [TS]

00:00:23   up it's like Christmas morning wildest follow-up question when it comes from no [TS]

00:00:29   idea comes from the Kings ok would you like to start our follow-up what about [TS]

00:00:33   the apple of cars lady give me a nickname as distinct from Marco he also [TS]

00:00:37   called I'm the king of something to start calling Declan the king of the [TS]

00:00:42   hill that goes what am I the king of colors by Khan's something like that [TS]

00:00:51   the first item is a tweet from Daniel Silva talking about Tesla's the apple of [TS]

00:00:56   cars he gave a link to a consumer reports owner survey asking about repair [TS]

00:01:00   experiences and I was saying that independent repair shops outscored [TS]

00:01:06   dealership services with one exception and that exception was test lab which [TS]

00:01:11   had excellent customer set it to be a couple of car me to send a factor that [TS]

00:01:17   may be just like third [TS]

00:01:19   seriously what is the sound of one customer setting customers set yeah [TS]

00:01:28   bad John alright so yes the Tesla has great customer set that's they are the [TS]

00:01:33   apple of cars to be fair if you rely on Twitter like since this is a thing about [TS]

00:01:37   repair experience this test will have only been around for a short time so [TS]

00:01:41   they're all pretty darn new so maybe the repair experiences greatest because [TS]

00:01:45   they're all under warranty in a relatively new so maybe some [TS]

00:01:48   particularly anyone other than there is a little appetizer [TS]

00:01:54   alright well what's our salad course then yeah so now we have Apple AAPL you [TS]

00:02:02   know the whole mini van wermer in I don't remember where I read this but as [TS]

00:02:07   with a lot of things in the book are rumours stories is just sort of said [TS]

00:02:12   someone Sienna minivan or did you just hear from these unnamed sources that [TS]

00:02:16   they're making a minivan or like we don't we don't know from whence does [TS]

00:02:19   this minivan business anyway and we were talking about why that might be maybe [TS]

00:02:25   just kind of a snub nose thing or something like that and think it was the [TS]

00:02:30   first person to point out that the possibility that I think this is in his [TS]

00:02:36   body rather people said as well that it might just be a testimonial like you [TS]

00:02:40   know where they're testing drivetrain or internal stuff or whatever in the [TS]

00:02:45   outside shape of the car has nothing to do with what's inside it kind of like [TS]

00:02:47   columbus the set-top box that Apple is almost certainly going to introduce 1998 [TS]

00:02:51   is a flat black rectangular box course Columbus turned out to be the iMac turns [TS]

00:02:56   out as with computers and cars or the outside shape of the thing can have [TS]

00:03:02   absolutely no bearing the actually making it one of the other examples of [TS]

00:03:06   someone gave us like the iPhone prototypes they were crazy and they were [TS]

00:03:09   big [TS]

00:03:11   Columbus is an even better example cuz I was a great shakeout of the internals of [TS]

00:03:14   this computer had to fit in a certain size but nobody but the industrial [TS]

00:03:18   design people knew that the thing that was wrapped around that was going to be [TS]

00:03:22   a translucent eel gumdrop type thing and soak our car companies do have sort of [TS]

00:03:27   test mules that either heavily disguised are actually bear little resemblance to [TS]

00:03:31   the final car I think maybe they see your car magazines or market like to [TS]

00:03:37   remember a case where someone like a car manufacturer was testing the drive train [TS]

00:03:41   for a new car by waging an into something look like their old car I have [TS]

00:03:45   vague memories of that even just last week there [TS]

00:03:49   BMW announced they're going to do a seven seater SUV the ex I got I was just [TS]

00:03:53   about to bring that up future yeah I like a few days ago that there is a spy [TS]

00:03:57   shots of what they basically took an axe 5 I think you're next three what would [TS]

00:04:01   they took one of their one of their existing smaller SUVs and just bought a [TS]

00:04:05   bunch of weights to the roof in the hood and are testing it that way by league [TS]

00:04:09   simulating the bigger car that would be on the undersea on the same chassis and [TS]

00:04:13   drivetrain everything that's slightly right so I have a link which will put [TS]

00:04:17   the show notes BMW X seven testing using modified 7 Series prototype exactly so [TS]

00:04:24   yes this looks like a next-generation G eleven seven years prototype look closer [TS]

00:04:29   and closer and you will see BMW has ingeniously ended waits to the roof and [TS]

00:04:33   inside the car and raise the hood to accommodate a different engine / intake [TS]

00:04:37   setup in order to air quotes test the basic x seven drivetrain package and see [TS]

00:04:42   that's exactly what i was gonna bring up and that sounds very similar to what [TS]

00:04:46   you're describing Jon and Kate houses additional things like look if you're [TS]

00:04:50   going to be testing internal stuff like screens or whatever and you will have to [TS]

00:04:54   have a bunch of equipment hooked up to it to monitor it a minivan type shape [TS]

00:04:58   leaves lots of room for sort of Engineers to be sitting with their [TS]

00:05:01   little equipment or laptops are connected to the thing with cables are [TS]

00:05:04   ever in my area thing while you're in the car like sort sort remote if it's [TS]

00:05:08   just internal stuff like a mobile lab per stuff that happens inside the car [TS]

00:05:11   and if the whole car type thing that it could be a drivetrain you or any other [TS]

00:05:15   type of thing that anyone saying anything like a minivan may have nothing [TS]

00:05:19   to do with the final project gonna look like one also I mean there's a lot of [TS]

00:05:26   popular car shapes these days especially in the us- that looked kind of like mini [TS]

00:05:32   vans like it you say like it's kind of like a minivan that could could [TS]

00:05:36   encapsulate lots of crossovers large hats hatchbacks things that the Prius V [TS]

00:05:42   that I don't think they called a minivan and it's pretty small fuhrman even but [TS]

00:05:45   it's kinda minivan shaped [TS]

00:05:47   a lot of cars that are near that shape or near that profile actually even more [TS]

00:05:53   in Europe hatchback so much more than we do but there's another great example [TS]

00:05:56   with the BMW i3 which a few people wrote in justifiably little annoyed that we [TS]

00:06:01   didn't bring that up we did though I like I thought we thought we mentioned [TS]

00:06:04   the i three more discussion of the 812 you briefly brought about you but no we [TS]

00:06:08   didn't talk about it in the main event I think although I did mention the Smart [TS]

00:06:10   car and like other cars that had don't have a lot of front overhang is no [TS]

00:06:13   engine right right and so anyway the point being that the BMW i3 in case [TS]

00:06:18   you're not aware ease their I believe it's either a hybrid or pure electric is [TS]

00:06:22   that correct [TS]

00:06:23   I think its hybrid suffice to say that it looks like a very very minivan almost [TS]

00:06:28   like a bigger smart car so to to build upon what you were saying John that you [TS]

00:06:33   could construe the i three is a minivan if you didn't really know what you were [TS]

00:06:36   talking about even though it's you know half the size of your average American [TS]

00:06:40   minivan you want to talk about poaching you can put your car in the category of [TS]

00:06:47   stories that broke since we recorded last week's episode which were recorded [TS]

00:06:51   on a Wednesday as we always do this one on Wednesday shortly after re-recorded [TS]

00:06:57   there were more stories that put you know even more smoke to this this rumor [TS]

00:07:03   and I the New York Times one was you know getting engineers to build a [TS]

00:07:09   battery division right and you know it automaker type engineers but those [TS]

00:07:13   people might have expertise and also helping them build iPhone and iPad [TS]

00:07:17   battery sure but probably their expertise is much more involved in very [TS]

00:07:21   large batteries for things like cars and if you're doing car play probably don't [TS]

00:07:26   have any reason to get people who have expertise in building our size batteries [TS]

00:07:30   so there's a little bit more smoke therefore like they're doing something [TS]

00:07:34   other than just extending our player during matches and the like that and I [TS]

00:07:37   think the big one is talking about they hired a bunch of people but I was saying [TS]

00:07:42   wouldn t be hiring more people who are like mechanical engineers or drive train [TS]

00:07:47   engineers people know about building cars could always thought was like [TS]

00:07:50   alright fine some executives like someone's gotta leave these car people [TS]

00:07:52   get some executives that are not doing any way to tell people what to do [TS]

00:07:55   executive head of are indeed BMW that's always start with those like the couple [TS]

00:08:00   of handfuls big names and everything else is just an amorphous number they're [TS]

00:08:04   hiring about your employees and poaching themes like well where the people who [TS]

00:08:07   know how to build cars until 9 to 5 Mac the disputes breakdown of here's a bunch [TS]

00:08:11   mornings instead of just the names of the bigwigs that we are in charge of [TS]

00:08:15   this here's a bunch more names and if you go through these names and look with [TS]

00:08:18   their experience expertise are in there in things that have much more to do with [TS]

00:08:22   building cars are working on cars like the car part of the cars its immediate [TS]

00:08:28   to sit still short list is not hundreds of people have gone exhaustive head [TS]

00:08:32   count but it sure looks a lot more like people who would be working on an actual [TS]

00:08:39   car and not people who will be working on a car play yeah I agree I felt the [TS]

00:08:44   same way that this could be construed as a car but I'm not so convinced [TS]

00:08:48   especially after this 95 Mac piece if nothing else they got to be toying with [TS]

00:08:54   the idea of building an actual car otherwise all these hires just seemed [TS]

00:08:59   kinda silly to me but it's it's weird I last week I would have told you there's [TS]

00:09:05   a 10% chance this is actually happening insofar as they're actually even trying [TS]

00:09:09   to build something even if they scrapped it Jason Snell actually had a really [TS]

00:09:13   good piece on six colors we're in short he said well you know a lot of companies [TS]

00:09:18   will try things and throw some spaghetti him so all he will see what sticks and [TS]

00:09:23   yes sometimes it doesn't stick that's okay and that's certainly see it [TS]

00:09:26   certainly seems as though Apple is at the very least seeing if if they have [TS]

00:09:30   anything to contribute here and this man to 5 Mac peace further corroborates at [TS]

00:09:35   my mind [TS]

00:09:36   assuming it's like Apple's confirming these people but I just a big just pick [TS]

00:09:40   one ran their name and his last year is this David Nelson he's from from Tesla [TS]

00:09:43   and according to his LinkedIn a test like he was [TS]

00:09:47   served as the mechanical engineering manager leading a team responsible for [TS]

00:09:50   modeling predicting modeling prediction and verification of Motoring gearbox [TS]

00:09:55   performance and efficiency you do not need a mechanical engineer who knows [TS]

00:09:58   about motor and gearbox performance and efficiency are working on car play or a [TS]

00:10:03   street view things like people like this I don't know how you explain that these [TS]

00:10:08   people exist at all it is leaving kind of kills again at this is true the idea [TS]

00:10:12   that all Apple just gonna like partner with somebody and take over their entire [TS]

00:10:15   interior and do it like why the hell he would reduce hit someone you know her [TS]

00:10:21   reliability and warranty projects and modeling gear box like this is Pete [TS]

00:10:27   people for building a car like that and that's one less than one person from [TS]

00:10:31   this page you just go through them all and I don't know how you can finish them [TS]

00:10:33   say look if Apple hired all these people are they doing with the boat and [TS]

00:10:37   building a car that's the thing I mean this is we got so much feedback as a [TS]

00:10:43   really good feedback this week people giving us also to make sure we're going [TS]

00:10:46   to talk about the next few minutes all sorts of ideas a lot of people are [TS]

00:10:50   saying like you know what if Apple is not quite building a car but what if [TS]

00:10:54   they're addressing the problem of transportation in a bigger in a bigger [TS]

00:10:57   way maybe it's a non-traditional approach something like you know car [TS]

00:11:00   sharing or transportation networks of different sorts and these bigger picture [TS]

00:11:05   ideas at all kinda begin like well they they're gonna solve something a totally [TS]

00:11:10   different way and the common explanation as well maybe they're gonna build the [TS]

00:11:14   car OS and licensed it to car makers and or partner with so many the car for that [TS]

00:11:18   and i think is looking at this it is it is much more likely that they're gonna [TS]

00:11:24   actually they're actually trainable car than anything else like any any other [TS]

00:11:28   alternative explanation of what they might be doing with all these people [TS]

00:11:32   instead it is just looking more likely if you get the more attention to page [TS]

00:11:37   this the more information that comes out in bits and pieces and rumors the more [TS]

00:11:40   it looks like there's a lot of smoke behind this and that it is way more [TS]

00:11:45   likely than any other explanation that they are just trying to put a car and [TS]

00:11:49   then to address like the what if they do something different or what they do [TS]

00:11:52   something non-traditional herself a bigger problem I think that's a lot like [TS]

00:11:56   we have to look at every previous Apple [TS]

00:11:59   and like before the watch came out we were talking a little you know what if [TS]

00:12:03   they do something different and it's not really a watched some kind of wearable [TS]

00:12:07   that's not a watch but it does other things and then it came out as a note to [TS]

00:12:11   watch it just done well you know something like when the iPad came out [TS]

00:12:15   and I you know me and me and other bloggers at the time we're talking like [TS]

00:12:19   you know if they do a tablet how do these solve the input problem and how [TS]

00:12:24   big is it how they solve the problem of it being between sizes and and the [TS]

00:12:28   answer was they didn't solve those problems they gave me a good tablet [TS]

00:12:31   typically when Apple solves problems like this they they don't do something [TS]

00:12:37   that no one's ever heard of they just do a really good job with things that [TS]

00:12:41   people generally have heard of or that are cutting edge and so if they make it [TS]

00:12:46   look at this project to these rumors and these people everything else it sure [TS]

00:12:50   looks like I said it sure looks like they are making a car that's what people [TS]

00:12:53   are probably are probably for and if they are making a car rather than having [TS]

00:13:00   some kind of grand reinvention of everything it is far more likely that [TS]

00:13:04   they're just going to try to make a really good car in in the traditional [TS]

00:13:07   sense of how we know cars like I don't and you know maybe it'll be pure [TS]

00:13:10   electric you know that's that's fine that's that's still within the realm of [TS]

00:13:13   a car you know and it's very different to that later but it is just so much [TS]

00:13:18   more likely that the story is more boring than we all think and more boring [TS]

00:13:23   than a lot of people trying to predict like people are thinking that oh it's [TS]

00:13:27   it's out of it's just it it has to be something crazy it has to be some [TS]

00:13:31   sunlight cockamamie scheme to do some crazy thing in and the answer is [TS]

00:13:34   probably no it's probably just a car that they're hoping to be really good [TS]

00:13:39   yeah I'd certainly agree that there's a lot more smoke around this potential [TS]

00:13:44   fire that there was even just a week ago do you want you tell us about something [TS]

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00:16:20   so we're like two items down in the 300 item follow up we gotta think we can [TS]

00:16:26   skip this one the Bloomberg says it up and start producing cars by 2020 because [TS]

00:16:30   that one is just more of a classic like you think you have rumors were gonna [TS]

00:16:34   tell you when they're going to ship it in fact that it doesn't ship by 2020 [TS]

00:16:37   it's late you're eligible said to be touring car production as soon as 2020 [TS]

00:16:44   when she leaves them open to say we didn't say 2020 could be as soon as 2020 [TS]

00:16:49   if it's sooner than later and just as soon as 20 2012 that even mean anyway [TS]

00:16:55   would you just removed just remove the next was generated yeah but it's it's [TS]

00:17:02   unrelated follow-up battle there are related to cart stuff but I thought we [TS]

00:17:07   could covered at the end but since you brought it up John I guess we'll talk [TS]

00:17:10   about it now [TS]

00:17:12   Marco jump the queue by taking the thing i deleted from the Sheraton talking [TS]

00:17:16   about this is why don't I just deleted these two moved it i didnt deleted the [TS]

00:17:30   title of last week's show was something like do you wanna sell sugar phones or [TS]

00:17:34   something that's a reference to align News said in the show and Markham KCS [TS]

00:17:40   hey do we want to put a link in the shows that explains that for the people [TS]

00:17:43   who don't know and they were adamant that we not do that I thought you hear [TS]

00:17:49   something on the show you like what the hell they talkin about you go to the [TS]

00:17:51   generous and click the link and it would explain it but every joke and reference [TS]

00:17:55   has to be explained I don't have to be explained it just needs to be an [TS]

00:17:58   explanation and if you don't get it and are seeking an explanation like you to [TS]

00:18:02   find ones even follow along with everybody else and get the next to me [TS]

00:18:06   right at the bottom of the page upside down it'll be a swiping Swiper to read [TS]

00:18:11   my texts so we didn't get any feedback about that so I guess everybody [TS]

00:18:16   understood it because you know you're listening to a techno podcast you know [TS]

00:18:20   people like Apple stuff you know about this and if you didn't I guess you could [TS]

00:18:23   google it or you don't care what the title anyway if you're wondering what [TS]

00:18:27   the hell were talking to the day I [TS]

00:18:31   explaining how do people how do people become like we have a shared history and [TS]

00:18:35   knowledge and culture of this Apple stuff how do people gained that [TS]

00:18:38   knowledge so they too can charity show someone has to tell them or they had [TS]

00:18:41   experiences like you have to you have to invite people into your culture by [TS]

00:18:45   explaining your shared heritage then they can you anyway this is how it works [TS]

00:18:48   you know just like we can't tell them because they're not one of us step 1 [TS]

00:18:54   watch every episode of The Simpsons from the last 25 years just just wants [TS]

00:18:57   triumph of the nerds robert kingsley's PBS series which is where the squatters [TS]

00:19:02   from novice publisher for that anyway [TS]

00:19:05   Steve Jobs when he was at Apple the first time was trying to retreated you [TS]

00:19:11   see over the company and he went to john sculley who was working at Pepsi and [TS]

00:19:15   trying to get him to come to Apple and leave his job and his pitch to him as [TS]

00:19:19   they were strong their garden or whatever was gonna sell sugar water for [TS]

00:19:22   the rest of your life [TS]

00:19:23   where do you want to come with me and change the world what God wants to come [TS]

00:19:27   and he eventually ousted Steve Jobs in a boardroom battles it was not a great [TS]

00:19:32   move on Steve's part using her ass persuasion to bring the guy who came out [TS]

00:19:35   of the company but anyway that's what happened everybody has that sugar or [TS]

00:19:39   quote because it's such a you know whatever you're doing your company like [TS]

00:19:42   Pepsi sign people should reporter giving people diabetes you're not doing [TS]

00:19:45   anything you're wasting your talents come to Apple and will change the world [TS]

00:19:49   and the comparison to test it was like if you just wanna make like well you [TS]

00:19:54   making smartphones and they already did change over but if you really want to [TS]

00:19:57   change the world nation testimony can do that and that's how testicular people [TS]

00:20:03   from Apple [TS]

00:20:04   get them to stay as you don't get tested to make sure we're doing that here the [TS]

00:20:09   link above the shots is actually a video from this documentary which is great you [TS]

00:20:14   should watch it a triumph of the Nerds from the nineties or something this is [TS]

00:20:17   before Steve Jobs came back to Apple yeah if you haven't seen it before you [TS]

00:20:22   definitely should watch it I really enjoyed it I know a lot of people are [TS]

00:20:25   critical of it actually yeah I mean it's overly dramatic and silly and like you [TS]

00:20:31   know it's not that's where the new taste quotes from too I love ya has footage [TS]

00:20:35   like for whatever you may feel about like a story that apply [TS]

00:20:39   slaps on top of the history of PCs to make it interesting and dramatic there [TS]

00:20:43   are interviews with important people in the industry where they get asked [TS]

00:20:46   interesting questions and give interesting answers you can just ignore [TS]

00:20:48   the surrounding silliness and just watch the injuries and even just for that it's [TS]

00:20:52   great you want to talk to us about what newt wrote in it we didn't I'm surprised [TS]

00:20:59   when they get more feedback about this because we were discussing last episode [TS]

00:21:02   lots of different possibility is working with carmakers are not working let them [TS]

00:21:07   and how are companies wouldn't want Apple to come in and become the most [TS]

00:21:11   important differentiator in their car because then what are they doing that on [TS]

00:21:15   that they don't want to have happen to them what happened to the music industry [TS]

00:21:18   or cell phone carriers where Apple's the valuable part in there just sort of like [TS]

00:21:23   the stuffing or whatever and I guess we didn't get feedback on this is people [TS]

00:21:29   either didn't know about this or understood that we understood this but [TS]

00:21:33   every car company has part [TS]

00:21:36   suppliers that put the make things are going to the cars like you name any [TS]

00:21:41   country they don't probably don't make the transmission or the the the the [TS]

00:21:50   radio the speedometer the seats like they're they're different the fancy [TS]

00:21:55   sensors like the rain sensors and the automatic headlights they call that like [TS]

00:21:59   all that stuff is usually from outside air bags right everything comes from [TS]

00:22:04   some other vendor and but like that's all you're doing is she works like I [TS]

00:22:07   make parts for whatever like I'm a separate company I'm not part of GM's [TS]

00:22:11   the whole purpose of my companies to make parts for GMR these other car [TS]

00:22:15   makers and there are few well-known brands that you would say ok well these [TS]

00:22:19   cars Audi BMW Mercedes Chrysler like what they all have in common they all [TS]

00:22:23   have ZF gearboxes right who who who the hell is death like and the reason this [TS]

00:22:29   didn't come up as like if you're a gearhead you know about the Boston you [TS]

00:22:33   know about I call these are the companies that did make things but none [TS]

00:22:37   of those companies end up being the differentiate here like I want the car [TS]

00:22:42   with the ZF transmission from year to year the same exact car can have a [TS]

00:22:46   different transmission it's like oh well this multi-year this car has this [TS]

00:22:49   transmission and next mall year has a transition from entirely different [TS]

00:22:52   vendor that's not advertised its not an important model changeover just like [TS]

00:22:56   they change the transmission like it is not a headline feature you don't usually [TS]

00:23:00   regular people do not know who makes the transmission in their car right they [TS]

00:23:04   only know that there may be a change to an eight-speed automatic instead of a [TS]

00:23:07   five speed or whatever that's how the car industry works and that is an [TS]

00:23:12   acceptable relationship for everybody involved her probably historic reasons [TS]

00:23:15   and a great example strike infotainment systems like the BMW iDrive and then [TS]

00:23:21   Mercedes COMAND system and you know all the things that have like a screen and [TS]

00:23:25   some little wheel you move or touch screen or whatever they're only a few [TS]

00:23:29   companies that make those things and in fact a single company makes makes those [TS]

00:23:32   systems for BMW Audi Mercedes Chrysler and one other company that on that I'm [TS]

00:23:39   forgetting its harmony Connecticut the same company that does Harman Kardon I [TS]

00:23:43   think they make the infotainment systems for all of those car as you said why I [TS]

00:23:48   don't like I like BMW system I don't like the mercedes and they're both made [TS]

00:23:52   by the same manufacturer to to the specifications of the car company to [TS]

00:23:55   some degree but those companies aren't making the screens and little dials in [TS]

00:24:00   the software and everything in a brazen that goes on is one company doing this [TS]

00:24:03   that tell the owner she works with a very important part is that you don't [TS]

00:24:08   know that you don't know who's applies these parts and from year to year the [TS]

00:24:10   car makers can change the players who do this and they can decide to bring its [TS]

00:24:14   in-house and outsourced to different company in pits players against each [TS]

00:24:17   other in the same way that only super nerds know they like Marcos computer has [TS]

00:24:20   like the bad elegy screen or whatever that has their attention and the good [TS]

00:24:25   one was like the Samsung like nobody else knows that Apple is not afraid that [TS]

00:24:29   people are going to decide that Samsung is the important differentiator in their [TS]

00:24:32   products like nobody knows that Samsung makes the system-on-a-chip device for [TS]

00:24:37   years but in any kind of relationship or Apple's gonna do stuff Apple is not [TS]

00:24:42   going to be content to be merely a part suppliers to the auto industry even car [TS]

00:24:46   play is distinctly and Apple thing when you see when they were on the road [TS]

00:24:51   promoting our place if you sure as hell knew that Apple was bringing your car [TS]

00:24:54   plan and it worked with your iPhone and that I was 100% an apple the Apple logo [TS]

00:24:59   is all over the screen there is no hiding that the fact that it was Apple [TS]

00:25:03   whereas nobody knows who makes the you know I have Goodyear tires Michelin [TS]

00:25:08   tires are you even know what the hell the tire [TS]

00:25:11   accurate so if you don't know about the auto industry and you read about this [TS]

00:25:17   and get confusing yeah why can't you one of those things that's just not how [TS]

00:25:20   Apple operates but that is how the auto industry operates there's a disconnect [TS]

00:25:23   with Apple being involved in anyway because the relationship that the auto [TS]

00:25:28   industry is used to do you have any idea how much of that approach is also true [TS]

00:25:37   of Tesla for example are the motors designed and built in-house or the [TS]

00:25:41   batteries designed and I think the batteries are designed if not built [TS]

00:25:44   in-house will jointly building a huge factory for batteries but they're going [TS]

00:25:48   to do with the batteries is like we start with raw materials and out the [TS]

00:25:51   other end comes out a batter is reminiscent of the Mackintosh Braun [TS]

00:25:55   there is no coding dislikes and for their things like sand goes in one and [TS]

00:25:59   completed mcintosh's go out the other business and stuff like that that's [TS]

00:26:05   actually interesting comparison like so for Tesla they i mean their whole [TS]

00:26:09   freaking car practically was from Lotus in the beginning as they just took a [TS]

00:26:12   look as they fought like a rolling chassis from Lotus news jam their [TS]

00:26:15   battery pack and to address these days I'm assuming they're doing the same [TS]

00:26:20   amount if not slightly more in-house stuff than everyone else but yeah they [TS]

00:26:24   have other suppliers you know I don't think they're making the brake rotors [TS]

00:26:27   and brake assemblies like there I think there were a party like any other car [TS]

00:26:32   manufacturer where they carries parts suppliers make things and you know if [TS]

00:26:37   they can make things to your specifications into your design or if [TS]

00:26:41   they have something previously available if we already have this brake rotor and [TS]

00:26:44   the size of you just want to buy it from us like it you don't have to design your [TS]

00:26:47   own special bracelet or maybe they think they need to for their particular car [TS]

00:26:50   but I'm assuming that they are using part suppliers in the traditional way [TS]

00:26:56   because that's how I started to me just getting a whole rolling chassis from [TS]

00:26:59   Lotus and then shoving their car inside that and then enough this is for the [TS]

00:27:05   Follow button to bring it up now Apple of course does the same thing you know [TS]

00:27:11   if you look at an iPhone you can say all that manufacture like Broadcom makes the [TS]

00:27:15   wifi chip and Samsung's manufacturing system-on-a-chip until recently [TS]

00:27:19   this company makes the i/o controller in this company makes the screen controller [TS]

00:27:23   who makes the screen this year and we're coming from so many this year and they [TS]

00:27:26   change the supplier all the times and nobody knows who this controller's arm [TS]

00:27:29   where did they get their memory from the get it from Nixle whatever that company [TS]

00:27:32   is from Samsung and like nobody knows that it is not a differentiator that [TS]

00:27:37   Apple is giving up no value by by not making all these things itself Apple [TS]

00:27:41   doesn't own the factories that make money is being made by Foxconn buy one [TS]

00:27:46   anyway like that's that's how Apple operates as well even more so because [TS]

00:27:52   it's like we don't want their hands dirty back so many factories we will [TS]

00:27:55   spend millions possibly billions of dollars letting people install equipment [TS]

00:28:00   in the factories that they will slowly pay off for some complicated [TS]

00:28:04   relationship or manufacturing stuff for us but they let someone else handle that [TS]

00:28:07   so part of this rumor is that Apple is talking to this was a company called [TS]

00:28:12   last year and the name of scenic are making for years but never had to say it [TS]

00:28:20   out loud for a variety of reasons the company that makes parts for fancy cars [TS]

00:28:25   and why would Apple be talking to them because they're not gonna make their [TS]

00:28:28   domain they suppose they could but like their inclination would be to operate [TS]

00:28:32   somewhat like the rest of the industry is like it there if there are parts [TS]

00:28:36   suppliers and manufacturers and assemblers for the automotive industry [TS]

00:28:39   who already do this Apple can contact them to say can you make some stuff for [TS]

00:28:44   us to make and the other option is getting back to Marcos retelling of the [TS]

00:28:50   grand theories that readers have is like I bet they can do it all in the United [TS]

00:28:53   States negative bring manufacturing back to the United States they're going to [TS]

00:28:56   make their own factory with all USB believes there is talking about [TS]

00:28:59   employing people in the USA and I suppose they could do that and that does [TS]

00:29:03   it with some of the things that I've been doing but on the other hand every [TS]

00:29:07   other thing that Apple makes tend to be made by Apple thinks is the the people [TS]

00:29:12   who can make this the best people who can make this best company in the United [TS]

00:29:17   States than fine but if they're in China and Germany here [TS]

00:29:21   anyplace else I think Apple will be talking to all the best people to who [TS]

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00:30:06   casey you do consulting work how his time tracking as a general thing it [TS]

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00:31:44   off your first month thanks a lot of our response our show once again John if [TS]

00:31:49   Apple wasn't making a car could they be working on something car related like [TS]

00:31:54   maybe road signs or something like that you're skipping Iran real-time follow-up [TS]

00:31:58   whole cars yes I magnin like an assembler or whatever they don't just [TS]

00:32:06   make transmissions are the parts they should be someone else take it is not a [TS]

00:32:08   magnum will put your stuff together and I'm not sure if the entirely [TS]

00:32:12   manufacturer of high-end cars or do most of the assembly here anyway how well [TS]

00:32:17   they did they treated the forum addict Mercedes all-wheel-drive does not suck I [TS]

00:32:22   didn't think it's I'm not saying it's particularly remarkable but I didn't get [TS]

00:32:26   socked [TS]

00:32:27   like the point about the auto industry is that the car that you think is made [TS]

00:32:32   by a single company that sold you under particular brand is mostly made like as [TS]

00:32:37   in assemble the parts made or whatever by companies other than the company's [TS]

00:32:40   name is there ultimately responsible car they desire to decide because into it so [TS]

00:32:45   on and so forth [TS]

00:32:46   who who makes a transmission who makes those wheels who put them all together [TS]

00:32:50   in the right shape so that our car runs like a surprising amount of that process [TS]

00:32:54   does not involve GM's BMW Mercedes Audi any of these companies it's all a bunch [TS]

00:33:02   of other small companies mostly a symbiotic relationship because both [TS]

00:33:05   companies like they they don't no one else wants an eight-speed automatic [TS]

00:33:09   gearbox several people who make cars so they necessarily need to sell their [TS]

00:33:13   parts to car makers and no you know I have the capability to assemble [TS]

00:33:16   completed cars for a bunch of parts you know they need car makers to use their [TS]

00:33:20   capacity to do that so this is the relationship we we can build cars and we [TS]

00:33:24   could all parts that go into cars we need carmakers to buy our parts or to [TS]

00:33:29   tell us to assemble their cars and of course you know there's the Toyota [TS]

00:33:33   you know all the Japanese things where they you know they run their own [TS]

00:33:36   factories and have a special way of doing it deters quality and so on and so [TS]

00:33:39   forth but even they outsource things and i think is it that license test was [TS]

00:33:44   drivetrain about technology I think Toyota did like what they tried to I [TS]

00:33:48   think it fell apart but yeah well this is surprisingly incestuous relationship [TS]

00:33:52   between all these car coming to the point where like ford probe and what the [TS]

00:33:56   hell was that the four probe in the Mazda 323 626 maybe at various points [TS]

00:34:03   there have been cars I mean we haven't even having a toy to brew right [TS]

00:34:07   the same car sold by Toyota and Subaru Subaru it to reduce the engine and [TS]

00:34:12   Toyota does the rest of the car I believe that's right there was there is [TS]

00:34:15   a relationship between Mazda and Ford but they were essentially selling a car [TS]

00:34:18   with different skins on it I think I also couldn't remember the name of this [TS]

00:34:21   car [TS]

00:34:21   MX six yes the program executes the same car with different stuff on it just [TS]

00:34:29   happened so many times of the year so the owners is super weird like this [TS]

00:34:33   happened in the tech industry would be like well you know the the Samsung s3 [TS]

00:34:39   and the iPhone to the same phone right there just have different skin like what [TS]

00:34:43   that would never happen all the time the auto industry is my favorite was the [TS]

00:34:47   Mitsubishi 3000gt and the Dodge Stealth oh yeah I was there and it totally [TS]

00:34:53   crossed I cross country lines crossed you know foreign domestic Asia Europe [TS]

00:34:58   there is no rhyme or reason of than just these executives [TS]

00:35:02   deciding that there are certain deal that makes sense in terms of you know [TS]

00:35:07   engineering resources in manufacturing capacity and you know I need this and [TS]

00:35:12   you and you need that and we can cross sell them to each other but I was like [TS]

00:35:17   to be buried in the stealth styling lies but they look still accessible I can [TS]

00:35:22   only do they change like the headlight and taillight treatment and like the [TS]

00:35:25   weird thing for our side strakes on the thing did you ever see there was a made [TS]

00:35:30   for TV movie Knight Rider 2000 which was like five ten years after Knight Rider [TS]

00:35:35   and did Hasselhoff came back and it like this made for TV movie and and [TS]

00:35:40   kit 2000 I think it was a custom movie or TV car but it was based off a Dodge [TS]

00:35:46   Stealth I'm not mistaken think I did say that but i dont can't picture that car I [TS]

00:35:51   loved it as a kid I'm sure if I watched it again today I think it is just a [TS]

00:35:55   waste of film but man I was obsessed with that little TV movie as a kid I [TS]

00:36:00   thought they just took the Firebird and just tacked a bunch of Greenville's as [TS]

00:36:04   they say in the business but think of something else he believes his agreement [TS]

00:36:09   while back I had actually read like a behind the scenes on the car but I don't [TS]

00:36:15   don't have a link handy for for that story but will put a link in the show [TS]

00:36:19   notes to Wikipedia for Knight Rider 2000 it's a wonderfully bad made for TV movie [TS]

00:36:26   will be able to right the first time and said that there is no other tech news [TS]

00:36:32   this week as though you know that that sidetrack aside talking about this is [TS]

00:36:41   getting into the meat of all the many many very grand ideas that listeners [TS]

00:36:49   have about what Apple could be doing and mike Parker said before the general [TS]

00:36:53   theme was not about cars man about transportation where they're going to [TS]

00:36:58   reinvent something somehow don't really know how yet another head-to-head [TS]

00:37:03   specific things aren't so one entire angle is that Tim Cook loves the [TS]

00:37:09   environment Apple of the environment the building solar farms everywhere there [TS]

00:37:14   for the reason they would be interested in doing a car is because electric cars [TS]

00:37:18   are better for them and so because also environmentally focused it makes perfect [TS]

00:37:24   sense they were wondering if your card is it fits perfectly with those actions [TS]

00:37:28   the company agreed that fits with the edge of the company that's not the [TS]

00:37:31   reason you do a car because if you are going to try to be better for the [TS]

00:37:35   environment of all the things that produce greenhouse gases cars are [TS]

00:37:39   significant to get more bang for your buck by getting rid of cash [TS]

00:37:42   house or any other things or something else are some crazy internet step to me [TS]

00:37:48   like the 12 biggest shipping like boats that to go across the ocean shipping [TS]

00:37:54   containers on the 12 or 20 biggest ones of the world one of those in the world [TS]

00:37:59   produce the same amount of co2 is all the cars in the world really was on the [TS]

00:38:03   internet who knows if the teacher I thought that sounds ridiculous yes it [TS]

00:38:07   doesn't sound like one of those things you read on the internet that is totally [TS]

00:38:10   not true so next week I'm asking people to tell us whether that's true or not [TS]

00:38:14   once just one person to ever get together which one of you different [TS]

00:38:21   populations I thought you were gonna look up anyway so I agree to that is [TS]

00:38:27   that that fits with Apple's model I don't agree that it is a strong [TS]

00:38:31   motivating factor in deciding whether or not to build a car you know it could be [TS]

00:38:36   contributing factor but it's like a long list of reasons they would make a car [TS]

00:38:40   with you could say that about a lot of things like this is good for him I [TS]

00:38:43   wanted to make something that you know that produces electricity like electric [TS]

00:38:49   power plants that would do even more for the environment while I'm not into [TS]

00:38:53   making powerpoints well you know why should I make a car [TS]

00:38:56   another thing is if you're going to make an electric car one of the big [TS]

00:39:01   impediment to like ours has been infrastructure like if I take it on a [TS]

00:39:04   long trip where do i recharge it had to recharge test lobbies Lee has been [TS]

00:39:08   talking with but it's supercharger stations that is trying to put all the [TS]

00:39:11   United States is the infrastructure problem if I can make an alternative [TS]

00:39:14   fuel vehicle how do how do I make it a viable think to drive across the country [TS]

00:39:20   with you need someplace to review it and infrastructure like that is you know how [TS]

00:39:24   many gas stations are either in the united states that sounds like a tech [TS]

00:39:27   job in 2003 how many tests supercharger stations are there are less that's a lot [TS]

00:39:34   of money they could tackle this they could you know they can make sure that [TS]

00:39:38   there are places where you can charge electric apple all across the entire [TS]

00:39:41   country I think that could do that testing has shown how difficult that is [TS]

00:39:46   Apple has a lot more money than they could do a better job in fact I think [TS]

00:39:50   they may have to do something like that but like Tesla they'll be forced just by [TS]

00:39:54   reality to start start doing it in just the San Francisco area just in your [TS]

00:40:02   carry just in the eastern seaboard just up and down like it's just a humongous [TS]

00:40:07   problem is it's two hundred and eighty supercharger stations right so how many [TS]

00:40:11   gas stations slightly more than 380 I get is a very big problem it's not like [TS]

00:40:17   it [TS]

00:40:17   the company Apple stores have opened just hit obviously super tired as they [TS]

00:40:20   conceded opened an Apple store but boy that's a long road and it will have to [TS]

00:40:25   be addressed [TS]

00:40:26   sort of collectively if Apple makes a bunch of charging stations for its car [TS]

00:40:30   and Tesla makes budget writers nations Ritz car and stuff like that that's [TS]

00:40:34   terrible because it would be like if you get a hundred you can only go to Honda [TS]

00:40:36   gas stations we need a common standard for this and you know we're in early [TS]

00:40:41   days of this but hopefully this will shake itself out I don't think I'm not [TS]

00:40:44   going to try to address this need because of this electric cars you have [TS]

00:40:47   to meet somewhere to charges but don't expect like boy now that Apple is doing [TS]

00:40:52   it no matter where you live United States I'll be 10 minutes away from [TS]

00:40:55   place to charge my book are unless you plan on going to people's houses and [TS]

00:40:59   breaking the unemployed get inside their house and waiting 12 hours to charge of [TS]

00:41:02   illegally that is not going to be the case what else that we have from the [TS]

00:41:07   grandiose ideas I didn't think about [TS]

00:41:09   it's about transportation not about cars what about a kind of ride sharing thing [TS]

00:41:15   where you don't own the car that the community owns the car and was just [TS]

00:41:20   throwing this the autonomous cars cars of course are gonna drive themselves all [TS]

00:41:23   listeners agree not a buscar specifically but all cars will be able [TS]

00:41:27   be self drive themselves on the driver and once they're autonomous you need to [TS]

00:41:31   own a car you just need to have like an app that can make the car arrived and it [TS]

00:41:34   will just share cars together and whenever you need to Carnival come and [TS]

00:41:37   pick you up like what people are doing is slow motion fantasy reinventing [TS]

00:41:42   public transportation for first principles only having cars on the roads [TS]

00:41:46   because perhaps the least efficient way to get lots of people from place to [TS]

00:41:48   place I think we talked about the last show self-driving cars yeah they're [TS]

00:41:54   probably gonna happen are they going to happen if apple introduces a car in the [TS]

00:41:57   next five years [TS]

00:41:59   yeah I agree with that ridiculous translation of know they like we all [TS]

00:42:08   agree like self-driving cars are things probably going to happen maybe one or [TS]

00:42:11   alive like in our lifetimes like to think that seems reasonable maybe I [TS]

00:42:17   wouldn't even say definitely yes i'd say maybe I mean I get may be limited [TS]

00:42:20   circumstances and someone you know new technologies good enough now where you [TS]

00:42:23   can see this is a feasible thing that could happen because effectively what do [TS]

00:42:26   we have stuff flying planes pretty close like we have plans to do a lot and you [TS]

00:42:31   know almost land themselves and almost got themselves in almost five years as a [TS]

00:42:35   person involved someone's over doctor cars are an easier problem because you [TS]

00:42:39   know such as cars are much more a regulatory and public perception problem [TS]

00:42:46   than a technology problems for the most part I I think we're gonna have the [TS]

00:42:50   technology that far off today we're going to have the technology to do them [TS]

00:42:55   reasonably well relatively speaking fairly soon in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:43:00   things fairly soon [TS]

00:43:01   next within the next decade the technology will be pretty pretty usable [TS]

00:43:05   but it might take a lot longer for not only regulation to allow them in [TS]

00:43:12   different in different states and countries but like the first time one [TS]

00:43:16   gets in an accident kills somebody that's gonna set them back like 10 years [TS]

00:43:20   and regulation and [TS]

00:43:22   then we have the public receives the and I think they'll be pretty resilient to [TS]

00:43:27   that because like during the time we're doing this podcast like X number of [TS]

00:43:31   people died in car crashes people people on but people aren't rationally people [TS]

00:43:35   people know you know it's the same thing people freak out about driving to the [TS]

00:43:39   airport about flying and then drive to the airport I think about their risk of [TS]

00:43:42   dying driving to the airport like it's like people are not logical and rational [TS]

00:43:46   with calculating risk and something that seems totally out of their control like [TS]

00:43:52   a self-driving car made by the people who want you to reset your password [TS]

00:43:55   constantly like a self-driving cars that's that is that is a very scary [TS]

00:44:00   concept to a lot of people myself included on the technology guy like it [TS]

00:44:04   would be very hot it's really very very hard for people to be willing to trust [TS]

00:44:08   self-driving cars and the first time anything goes wrong with one that's [TS]

00:44:12   going to tarnish their image for years to come [TS]

00:44:15   it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a tough battle yeah I mean like a couple [TS]

00:44:19   things to Jaron 1 talking about I was saying the electric cars you know I'm [TS]

00:44:23   cars in limited scenarios like we already have that some degrees has a [TS]

00:44:27   very very very big difference of cars always worried about the drive all over [TS]

00:44:31   factories right now that is obviously very limited I would imagine the first [TS]

00:44:35   place you're actually going to see self-driving cars is probably someplace [TS]

00:44:38   like disneyland like an amusement park where it's technically not really a car [TS]

00:44:42   like it's all contained within the part going unknown routes like they basically [TS]

00:44:47   have things like that now you know it's like a monorail but without the rail [TS]

00:44:50   right that type of technology is coming quickly and Google's ones are able to do [TS]

00:44:56   their area because they have met every inch of the terrain is it all just [TS]

00:44:59   expand our from there and I made a comment about touring cars being easier [TS]

00:45:04   than planes mostly because I was contentious in general but I guess they [TS]

00:45:08   mostly because if there's any kind of problem with the self-driving car you [TS]

00:45:13   can stop and pull over in a plane like say there's no human available to drive [TS]

00:45:19   the failure mode of a self-driving car involving slowly coming to a stop and [TS]

00:45:24   pulling over that is not available to you if the the AI driving a plane loses [TS]

00:45:29   its bearings and has no idea what the hell to do there is no ok well just do [TS]

00:45:32   nothing [TS]

00:45:33   like you know i'll just turn myself off I'm sure we'll be fine [TS]

00:45:36   like that is at least a viable option driving car granted cars behind you [TS]

00:45:41   could be read you some time but you don't fall out of the sky where is the [TS]

00:45:44   AI driving a plane that there is no human available you over the middle of [TS]

00:45:46   the ocean and the AI super confusing has no idea what to do it does not have an [TS]

00:45:50   option of saying to myself oh that's mostly true but you know there are whole [TS]

00:45:55   plane parachutes that will I'm serious there will you drift slowly down into [TS]

00:46:01   the middle of the Atlantic exactly that works [TS]

00:46:05   yeah I did I'm not kidding this is actually on the news few weeks ago that [TS]

00:46:08   some like very very small light aircraft like cessnas for things like that you [TS]

00:46:12   can apparently get an entire parachute that will pit that will keep the entire [TS]

00:46:17   plane you know from from plummeting to the ground and rather just floating its [TS]

00:46:21   way down to the ground or in this hypothetical the middle of the Atlantic [TS]

00:46:24   where it was at which point you drown and that the pilots you know that sell [TS]

00:46:30   flying planes are causing problems of piles of it that the plan itself and [TS]

00:46:34   that's certainly true self driving cars will make the worst drivers for sure and [TS]

00:46:39   it becomes super complex three generations no no no to drive anymore [TS]

00:46:42   but no more care for all be dead so you don't worry about it I don't want to [TS]

00:46:48   give up on driving though unlike drugs that was that was my point here is an [TS]

00:46:53   easy reference that neither one of you are going to get the what else is new [TS]

00:46:58   the whole idea is a self-driving cars and ride sharing and use a nap in a [TS]

00:47:02   softer and card shows up and you don't have to own a car like we all own the [TS]

00:47:05   cars man or whatever like just that whole sort of utopian future of [TS]

00:47:10   driverless cars not owned by anybody runs up against one very big problem [TS]

00:47:14   aptly pointed out by the Seminole nineties movie they have never seen and [TS]

00:47:20   that reason is people love their cars I don't even know what you're referring to [TS]

00:47:24   but I agree with that statement [TS]

00:47:26   literally if that's there was a a running gag in this movie was it [TS]

00:47:31   something I think his idea was called Super training [TS]

00:47:34   entirely sure might be watching to find out if this this is the broader [TS]

00:47:38   connection but he had no idea for like a train that's going to the Super train is [TS]

00:47:43   going to try and remember was super bank and he kept pitching at the people and [TS]

00:47:49   the people would look at it like a scale model and so how would be great images [TS]

00:47:52   commute times and blah blah and they've been like the people really love their [TS]

00:47:57   cars like that was that would undercut him constantly Victor missing it really [TS]

00:48:02   was super train anyway we'll put it in the sheriff's this movie but in the [TS]

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00:51:10   thanks a lot for sponsoring our show once again looking at this the origins [TS]

00:51:17   of super train the fact that it was from a movie that was about to grunge people [TS]

00:51:22   in Seattle makes it makes me think that that is almost certainly either [TS]

00:51:26   unconscious or conscience conscious origin of Rotarix super train things I [TS]

00:51:31   can almost guarantee the movie and internalized that in some way so I'll be [TS]

00:51:36   interested to know actually if if he was consciously referencing that super train [TS]

00:51:41   or are you never seen this movie man this you're not gonna say BMW's make [TS]

00:51:46   most of their cars [TS]

00:51:48   they do the important part but pushing on the logo logo on the front [TS]

00:51:53   they make the engine wouldn't start of we watch them make the engines yeah a [TS]

00:52:02   lot of parts go into an engine to make the spark plugs to make the wires the [TS]

00:52:06   belts you know it doesn't matter that it takes a village to make a car really [TS]

00:52:15   that's where we in this follow-up is on last night I think we're still in people [TS]

00:52:20   with delusions of grandeur about what Apple can do we just passed by the guy [TS]

00:52:24   who was thinking that like we're all shared across the autonomous and you're [TS]

00:52:27   just get in with your iPhone in the car will become your car because like your [TS]

00:52:30   interface will spread out all over it [TS]

00:52:31   cushions mother cigarettes in their cat hair on the seat like come on San [TS]

00:52:38   Francisco and I'm led to believe the other one next season areas like this so [TS]

00:52:45   much more driving than just the car you have to think about everything else like [TS]

00:52:48   the traffic lights signs the speed limits communication with all of those [TS]

00:52:52   things communication with all the other cars Apple traffic lights Apple stock [TS]

00:52:56   I'm reading from you know people must think I'm making fun of something Apple [TS]

00:52:59   should stop sign while the list goes on [TS]

00:53:02   what a world what a money earner worldwide yes if Apple could snap its [TS]

00:53:06   fingers and have interactive electronic traffic signals signs and on every car [TS]

00:53:12   on the roads they get all communicate with each other at all to communicate [TS]

00:53:15   with the traffic signals and and detect things from the signs that have to do [TS]

00:53:19   with CRD speeds off them like Marcus fancy car does that would be an amazing [TS]

00:53:23   utopian scenario I think it's a little bit of a tall order to think that [TS]

00:53:26   happened why what's next month just to say that Apple should lay [TS]

00:53:30   super-conducting super cool superconducting magnets to read every [TS]

00:53:33   road the entire world never gonna like all these things are technically [TS]

00:53:38   possible but also like if you imagine like the the actual reality like can you [TS]

00:53:43   imagine the business of selling traffic lights and stop signs till like every [TS]

00:53:47   municipality on the country that's probably a terrible low margin business [TS]

00:53:50   it's like to hear me out ok step one replaced every traffic signal ensign [TS]

00:53:56   United States [TS]

00:53:57   to replace every car in the United States with an apple cart at all [TS]

00:54:03   communicate now now once you've done that that's a prerequisite now you can [TS]

00:54:07   have a car to get talked to all the other cars that can talk to the signals [TS]

00:54:10   that can make traffic intelligence it's like alright then yeah ok I'm going to [TS]

00:54:16   say that is probably in line with the idea that mark was saying that he's [TS]

00:54:23   worse than the iPad being some amazing thing and not just being a big I put all [TS]

00:54:28   the stuff like these are all technically possible they're all happening slowly [TS]

00:54:31   like the stuff happens to looking for Apple to be the savior to stop its [TS]

00:54:34   fingers and make all these things that are going to eventually happen happened [TS]

00:54:37   on a much abbreviated time scale I can understand why people like that because [TS]

00:54:40   I click with it but the smartphone we probably would have gotten to where the [TS]

00:54:43   iPhone was eventually but Apple sort of accelerated that massively by making a [TS]

00:54:47   phone that was just leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else was and never [TS]

00:54:52   know said oh yeah we should do that and they all did in removing along with [TS]

00:54:56   smartphones looking like iPhones now can Apple do that with things that the scale [TS]

00:55:01   of traffic signals and signs the best I think you could hope for even if Apple's [TS]

00:55:06   aiming for this is to have something like this working where the rich people [TS]

00:55:10   live in California as a proof of concept in the same way that that Google has a [TS]

00:55:15   self-driving cars driving around in a limited range to show the desis [TS]

00:55:18   something that can be done but it's a big leap to go from getting this to work [TS]

00:55:23   in Disneyland or aware there were two people in California which probably a [TS]

00:55:27   lot like disneyland to this works in the entire United States to this is the way [TS]

00:55:32   transportation works in the entire planet so I'm not holding my breath [TS]

00:55:36   right now that alright do you want to talk about china in the Apple car [TS]

00:55:42   because clearly if you can't sell it in the United States China's the answer I [TS]

00:55:46   think the China thing for us feedback from Rob Lewis is all the manufacturing [TS]

00:55:54   goes well all the manufacturing capacity in China if Apple was looking for [TS]

00:55:58   someone to build their car there's a lot of car manufacturing capability and [TS]

00:56:02   know-how [TS]

00:56:02   in China that is ready to be tapped they're talking to magnet think has [TS]

00:56:07   locations in North America and Europe China maybe but as [TS]

00:56:12   points out Apple has existing relationships with a lot of big [TS]

00:56:17   manufacturing capacity in China so surely some part of the Al Baqarah is [TS]

00:56:21   going to be made or assembled in China because like you know that's I don't [TS]

00:56:26   think Apple is building a factory to build its battery starting from sand in [TS]

00:56:29   the United States I assume theyre going to contract out somebody else tell them [TS]

00:56:32   to make the parts for their stuff and say I'm sure China will be involved will [TS]

00:56:36   Apple be selling their cars in China to strain need electric mini-vans probably [TS]

00:56:40   they've got they've got a booming middle class it's a growth opportunity there [TS]

00:56:44   are a lot of people in China I'm not sure if if their entire strategy will [TS]

00:56:50   hinge on China but chilly they'll be involved as they are with everything [TS]

00:56:53   having to do in manufacturing these days it seems so we'd is that it would make [TS]

00:56:58   it down the shore water and a simple explaining capacity utilization idea to [TS]

00:57:03   be tweeted something was like a graphic like who has unused capacity for [TS]

00:57:08   automating China as its 64 percent capacity and everyone else is like it's [TS]

00:57:13   seventy or eighty percent of has smaller overall capacities are you looking for [TS]

00:57:17   somebody to get access manufacturing capacity for autos China is it so about [TS]

00:57:23   that [TS]

00:57:23   pebble time I kept reading that name in the tweets and thinking is this like a [TS]

00:57:30   punch or Joe course is the name of the product but I guess stop people time [TS]

00:57:35   yeah that's the name of the problem and it has its good name for a watch [TS]

00:57:39   yeah I mean I think everything pebbles doing right now is smart they're in a [TS]

00:57:44   tough spot and given the tough spot there in these seem like they're making [TS]

00:57:49   the right moves to not die or at least to prolong death rate I mean like you [TS]

00:57:54   know they they they started with the SmartWatch that is basically a [TS]

00:57:58   notifications display for mostly iPhones you know some people bought them but I [TS]

00:58:03   think most buyers from had iPhones it became pretty clear pretty quickly that [TS]

00:58:07   Apple was never going to give them the level of access they needed to the [TS]

00:58:10   notification system to have any kind of like two way communication or any kind [TS]

00:58:14   of rich functionality [TS]

00:58:15   as they tried having their own apps in there in Estacada custom integrate with [TS]

00:58:19   it but they still do but I think the reality is that's that's really not [TS]

00:58:24   gonna go incredibly far in the Apple ecosystem because the limitations [TS]

00:58:27   imposed by OS and hardware and apples never been hoping that once Apple makes [TS]

00:58:32   a watch list I'm feeling alright well and and so forth and so you know they [TS]

00:58:37   know they're not stupid they saw this and and they I think pretty pretty [TS]

00:58:43   smartly are are much more embracing the Android side and and I think that's wise [TS]

00:58:48   you know and and I don't go too far into into people's stuff because our friends [TS]

00:58:52   over at connected covered it way better than we could be as they actually at [TS]

00:58:55   least Mike actually has used the other guys have forget but you know mike is [TS]

00:59:00   actually spent a lot of time using one further none of us have right now I'd [TS]

00:59:04   only seen one in real life and it looked so incredibly giant and nerdy it's like [TS]

00:59:08   it that's even too nerdy for us and that's really saying a problem with the [TS]

00:59:14   people I don't have to pedal steel which is an attempt to be fashionable that I [TS]

00:59:17   think mostly failed as it wasn't very fashionable and just look like someone [TS]

00:59:21   trying to be fashionable and they've seen people applauding may be with you [TS]

00:59:24   mark applauding the idea that the pebble time doesn't try to do that anymore and [TS]

00:59:28   just looks like I get you may be saying it doesn't get anything again I don't [TS]

00:59:33   understand like it's fine to say you're not going to go to fashion round like [TS]

00:59:37   this is not a fashion accessory it's a gadget selling these in the small volume [TS]

00:59:42   nerds like Android kick-start type thing like doesn't have to be so don't like [TS]

00:59:50   something that looks like a tech nerd toy like I just all the pebbles the [TS]

00:59:57   original one to steal in this new one [TS]

01:00:00   do not look attractive to me and I'm not demanding fashion wise I just wanted to [TS]

01:00:04   like if they just made an unadorned box it would look better than these things [TS]

01:00:09   weird weird there missus bulges and [TS]

01:00:14   borders in things spoken out of anyway I've seen a lot of people in real life [TS]

01:00:19   they haven't particularly appeal to me but the smart move the pebbles making [TS]

01:00:23   here is not even attempting to compete with any of the smart watches because [TS]

01:00:28   there is they are differentiators are better after Sunday's Screen period the [TS]

01:00:32   end is anyone else gonna do that I know if they have any competition I think [TS]

01:00:35   it's also fairly it's also more waterproof right I'm not sure I mean I [TS]

01:00:39   suppose it could be like you know there is less stuff inside at the screen as [TS]

01:00:43   you know the CPU is super week everything about it is like we're going [TS]

01:00:49   the opposite extreme because Apple is not going to make a watch and their [TS]

01:00:52   first outing the less the better last seven days they're gonna be like if you [TS]

01:00:54   can get through a day without charging right panel says we can go the whole [TS]

01:00:58   week why because we have any screening screen you're not going to be watching [TS]

01:01:01   video on what do you mean video forget it we're just you know we're showing you [TS]

01:01:04   information about calendars and notifications to like that that's what [TS]

01:01:09   they're trying to do and even that like the Kickstarter 15,000 phones are 15,000 [TS]

01:01:14   watches or something like that [TS]

01:01:16   applesauce 15,000 iPhone like every three minutes of the hell it is like you [TS]

01:01:19   know the volumes are very small this is a boutique thing for gadget nerd and it [TS]

01:01:24   is found that way forever already like past fifty thousand it looks like it [TS]

01:01:29   raised almost ten million dollars for a time of recording it's going up still so [TS]

01:01:33   how many how long does it take Apple to sell them any iPhones like a day or two [TS]

01:01:37   sure I mean it's not it's not the same game seemed like you know they they [TS]

01:01:41   started out as a small company it's certainly Kickstarter and in many ways [TS]

01:01:45   it looks like that's just the right thing to do you want as long as they can [TS]

01:01:48   and it might be indefinitely might be a long time you might be around for a [TS]

01:01:51   while there are a lot of gadget nerd obviously let me look how quickly this [TS]

01:01:55   thing like it reach its goal in like 20 minutes and now its way without you know [TS]

01:02:01   it's it's raised almost $10,000 right now and it's there's still a month left [TS]

01:02:05   in the in the campaign thing obviously like and this is all just pre-sales like [TS]

01:02:10   once it out if it gets good reviews maybe people will buy more mean wanted [TS]

01:02:14   out the apple orchard be out that's going to take a lot of wind out of the [TS]

01:02:17   sails here but still you know if if they embrace the Android ecosystem customers [TS]

01:02:22   for can he use like so it and and if you look at the Android wear watches that [TS]

01:02:26   they're competing with data in an ecosystem the interweb watches really [TS]

01:02:31   have not gone very far everyone everyone who's tried them so far as had pretty [TS]

01:02:35   mixed reviews of them anonymously taking off and if you know if they can they're [TS]

01:02:41   obviously not going to win on style underwear watches have a better chance [TS]

01:02:45   in this does not saying they're not gonna win on style but for all the other [TS]

01:02:50   things you know the battery life possible water resistance durability [TS]

01:02:53   cost me these things are really cheap there are two hundred bucks a little [TS]

01:02:57   under two hundred bucks but you want to block so these things are you know [TS]

01:03:01   there's a there's a big market for this if smart watches are going to be a thing [TS]

01:03:05   that takes off and I think it's pretty clear that probably gonna happen so I [TS]

01:03:09   think they're gonna do okay for quite a while and and I think it's wise for them [TS]

01:03:13   to push further into the Android ecosystem because I was just not going [TS]

01:03:17   to go that far for them [TS]

01:03:18   yeah I think it's really important that night they all this is small market only [TS]

01:03:22   applies to get it you can't even get the gadget nerds if what you try to make it [TS]

01:03:28   gadget that is like the Apple walk but worse even the gadgets like nobody wants [TS]

01:03:34   that right so that's why it's so important [TS]

01:03:36   like it was just you know fifty thousand hundred thousand people or whatever who [TS]

01:03:41   cares like these people obviously like to be a gadget and cool but if you made [TS]

01:03:45   something that was had an LCD screen needed to be charged everybody was [TS]

01:03:48   basically just a worse Apple watch nobody wants that not even the gadget [TS]

01:03:52   nerds 100 where they want like an android-powered watch you have to do [TS]

01:03:56   something different than ever but even if you just have a small market and [TS]

01:03:59   that's why they're being super smart here because it seems like as far as I [TS]

01:04:02   know no one else is even trying to make a color e-ink SmartWatch like I the only [TS]

01:04:07   one in the entire world like regardless of how they're doing it with the [TS]

01:04:10   specific technologies seven-day battery nobody making an Apple or Android where [TS]

01:04:15   style SmartWatch would ever say seventy buried is no way in hell you getting [TS]

01:04:20   seventy matter if you have a lot that is a big difference and that will actually [TS]

01:04:23   appear to get in areas where is if you made it worse Android where watch now [TS]

01:04:28   you're competing with Motorola night being that black people [TS]

01:04:31   so very smart move by the Kickstarter and what they're essentially doing is [TS]

01:04:35   exploring an avenue for wearable to this point we don't know like isn't a deal [TS]

01:04:41   breaker but is it that you have to charge your Apple watch every day or two [TS]

01:04:44   people not care and we don't know yet that's the real answer that we don't [TS]

01:04:47   know [TS]

01:04:47   yeah and and pebble has shown like they at least among January says a lot of [TS]

01:04:52   people wearing the original pebble [TS]

01:04:54   you can't miss it exactly that was enough to get a bunch of people to where [TS]

01:04:58   I have only seen one other person where an Android where SmartWatch and that [TS]

01:05:03   person happened to be reviewing that product so I don't know if that counts [TS]

01:05:07   but I see many pebbles in my travels in inner circles so people may be onto [TS]

01:05:14   something and if they are on to something it's bad for them because then [TS]

01:05:17   the Android manufacturers maybe even Apple will just make a watch like that [TS]

01:05:24   and eventually it's bad for them because presumably eventually the Apple watch [TS]

01:05:27   will have a multi day 7 days battery life you know [TS]

01:05:32   57 years but gather ye rosebuds double time thanks a lot for three sponsored [TS]

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01:05:47   now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

01:05:58   case [TS]

01:06:02   and a team markle [TS]

01:06:45   sammarco for the first time in your life you actually did some homework I did it [TS]

01:06:51   it was a really it was very hard it was a lot of work I I really struggled [TS]

01:06:55   through to do it for the show I feel for you [TS]

01:06:57   difficult task yeah so after the last show you were talking about electric [TS]

01:07:04   cars and what Apple might do in the test on everything and we got a number of [TS]

01:07:08   comments on the chat and a number of emails immediately afterwards saying [TS]

01:07:10   usually drive an electric car to know we're talking about so I had to do this [TS]

01:07:16   I had to go and test drive a Tesla on this past Saturday [TS]

01:07:21   just so I could know for the show what we're talking about it so kind of you to [TS]

01:07:26   take one for the team because God knows I would hate to have to go and drive it [TS]

01:07:30   s like God with thats why I had to drive like 20 minutes to go to the place each [TS]

01:07:35   way it was it was hard so let me preface this by saying I'm a big fish in as you [TS]

01:07:45   know from listening to our show I like the fish fish music not the fish that [TS]

01:07:50   you eat some in the ocean I don't like them at all I can't wait to see ya me [TS]

01:07:54   too yeah now even though I'm official fan if you can think of what you think [TS]

01:08:00   of when you think of Phish fans I don't care that much about going live shows [TS]

01:08:05   even I listen to the live shows you're not a pain man I'm not a plan man I [TS]

01:08:10   don't do any drugs and the one time I did go to official I didn't do any drugs [TS]

01:08:16   they're either and so well you know not directly but according to other fish [TS]

01:08:24   fans to the things they like things they value I'm really like a terrible fish [TS]

01:08:28   I'm just terrible so similarly I'm also a fan of BMW sports cars but among them [TS]

01:08:37   so I really prefer all-wheel-drive I never do my car attract I don't take [TS]

01:08:42   anywhere and do donuts and parking lots I always drive with traction control on [TS]

01:08:47   and I generally prefer luxurious [TS]

01:08:51   luxuries like you know comfy seats even if the heavy stuff like that like [TS]

01:08:55   motorized [TS]

01:08:56   sunroofs you know heated seats all it's tough it's all these heavy luxury stuff [TS]

01:09:00   in cars I like that so similar to how I am a terrible fish fan I'm also a [TS]

01:09:06   terrible sports car owner according to the priorities of most other sports car [TS]

01:09:11   owners so I went to this test driving thing where they just they had like a [TS]

01:09:17   table set up at some like health club and you could go and you can sign up and [TS]

01:09:20   going to test drive it you know for certain times so I went up to this thing [TS]

01:09:24   and I and i was i was told it would be it the new p85 D model the the super [TS]

01:09:30   fast one that had that had a crazy reaction video that has the all-wheel [TS]

01:09:33   drive and the super fast motor so it was although unfortunately it was white but [TS]

01:09:39   so going into this drive I knew that I was about to drive this giant heavy but [TS]

01:09:47   very fast [TS]

01:09:48   all-wheel drive electric car right now I I knew going in [TS]

01:09:52   academically I knew it was going to be significantly faster than my car but [TS]

01:09:57   also what I expected based on how we were talking about it and what I've [TS]

01:10:01   heard from other people and what I saw in a test Limahl showroom like two years [TS]

01:10:05   ago I was also expecting to have a less luxurious interior and more importantly [TS]

01:10:12   to be less sporty like I knew to be fast but I also wasn't expecting it to be [TS]

01:10:16   sporty I want it to be just kind of more you know [TS]

01:10:19   team handling more cushy a little bit less injuries in the inside so the [TS]

01:10:25   interior of the car that I saw was actually very nice I would say it is not [TS]

01:10:29   as nice as a decked out high-end five series but it was it was a lot less far [TS]

01:10:34   off than it used to be a pretty close I immediately got in a backup out of a [TS]

01:10:38   parking spot I i really really missed the heads up the heads up display and [TS]

01:10:43   the top-down parking view top-down part time by the automated cars make us bad [TS]

01:10:48   drivers can even drive without a a meta simulated bird's eye view of car you [TS]

01:10:53   know it well I've never scripture in not once I do a lot of parallel parking [TS]

01:10:58   really tight City spots I've never script I don't scream [TS]

01:11:02   away by party way too far away from the curb well anyway [TS]

01:11:07   casino boss is known for its wide spaces roads especially now that was a really [TS]

01:11:12   wide now we have one car barely through if it so it doesn't have a heads up [TS]

01:11:18   display doesn't have the side cameras off the top down view so that's that's [TS]

01:11:21   unfortunate in a car if this class at this price range but they do offer some [TS]

01:11:27   of the luxuries that I come to enjoy like heated steering wheel very few cars [TS]

01:11:32   are heated steering wheels once you have a heated steering wheel it's quite like [TS]

01:11:36   my three series had it before this and it's so nice it's amazing [TS]

01:11:40   Waverly conditioned seats those are mostly useless anyway I don't have a lot [TS]

01:11:45   of time to play with the controls the touch screen thing and everything [TS]

01:11:47   because it was mostly about it was like a 15 minute drive around us on this [TS]

01:11:51   course they they'd set up around his words now let me let me interrupt your [TS]

01:11:54   quick do you find that 17 inch monitor whatever the crap it is in the center [TS]

01:11:59   console [TS]

01:12:00   look ridiculous to me to you because it looks freaking ridiculous to me it looks [TS]

01:12:05   completely ridiculous when you look at it in the drive while driving I never [TS]

01:12:10   had much reason to look at it is it's it's it's pretty low and this is like [TS]

01:12:14   part of the problem is that the climate controlled by the most common access [TS]

01:12:17   things for me are at the very bottom of that screen and so if I wanted to just [TS]

01:12:22   that climate and introduced during the drive so I saw the phone just just a [TS]

01:12:27   climate I'd like look pretty much almost at the floor looks so far away from the [TS]

01:12:32   road I'm not a I'm not crazy about that and we'll see in practice [TS]

01:12:37   change maybe maybe I don't know about some option you can tell a lot of the [TS]

01:12:40   stuff is customizable I and III spent no time playing with the controls I was all [TS]

01:12:44   about driving so I can't really discuss the controls and an unreasonable 30 I i [TS]

01:12:50   do I would say that though the the touch screen control do look a little bit [TS]

01:12:54   dated like the whole the whole theme of the UI is very much like pre iOS 7 pre [TS]

01:13:00   Metro it's like you know it looks like I S six basically but less cartoony [TS]

01:13:07   anyways so get the test drive it in scene modes are yet to fully experience [TS]

01:13:12   the speed [TS]

01:13:14   and so we stopped to have a clear road ahead of me I slam on the gas and wow [TS]

01:13:21   yeah that good wow like holy handbrake wow so the heart selling it only does [TS]

01:13:31   that super hard acceleration like a few if you're in the in situ mode at a [TS]

01:13:34   complete stop and you floor it I've never felt anything like that before [TS]

01:13:37   there is no the reason why it's so jarring is that there is no transition [TS]

01:13:43   from zero like it you like your ad 0 and all the sudden you're going and once [TS]

01:13:49   you're going it just feels like an insanely fast car but when you from 0 to [TS]

01:13:53   going it almost got hit in the face [TS]

01:13:56   like it was actually unpleasant didn't look like it was actually uncomfortable [TS]

01:14:02   and unpleasant like it was like if you love you getting hit in the face like i [TS]

01:14:07   if I actually owned this car I don't think I really ever do that because [TS]

01:14:11   passengers escaped has like 10 because it really it was actually unpleasant and [TS]

01:14:21   added a few times I gotta do i didnt beginning and the end of the tester I [TS]

01:14:24   just so I would like just I would have some perception of like is just the [TS]

01:14:28   first time that unpleasant to get used to it as a less bad no actually is so to [TS]

01:14:35   put things in perspective according to Tesla's website the p85 tea does 0-60 in [TS]

01:14:41   3.2 seconds just as a rough equivalent [TS]

01:14:46   the Aerosmith rock and roller coaster at Walt Disney World does 02 57 miles an [TS]

01:14:52   hour in 2.8 seconds so their equipment this this roller coaster takes pictures [TS]

01:14:59   of everyone on the ride every single time the ride starts because everyone [TS]

01:15:05   freaks out this matter fact reading from Wikipedia the writer's experience 4.5 [TS]

01:15:10   Jesus they enter the first inversion and a lot of that is I believe a combination [TS]

01:15:15   the acceleration in the in the turn itself that's basically you're driving a [TS]

01:15:20   roller coaster yet it's Amin [TS]

01:15:23   that's be going from zero to fallen insane mode I mean it's a gimmick you [TS]

01:15:28   don't have any reason to actually do that in practice ever but my god it like [TS]

01:15:33   it was it was so fast that was actually like I actually don't have any need or [TS]

01:15:39   want to do that [TS]

01:15:40   think the 911 Turbo does it 2.9 or something that's not even the fastest [TS]

01:15:45   production car that you can get from sixty like there there are below the [TS]

01:15:48   surface of three super cars out there yet but not a lot of them are these big [TS]

01:15:52   heavy four-door sedans I mean I think this is the only one you know you're an [TS]

01:15:57   expected to come out of the oven say it's like the distance is threatening to [TS]

01:16:00   three second like being in the low to mid three years has been a thing for [TS]

01:16:04   super cars for a long time but it has not been a thing for a long time for [TS]

01:16:07   four door sedan right I mean my card ridiculous and it doesn't and I think [TS]

01:16:11   four point to four point three something like that so it's a pretty substantial [TS]

01:16:15   difference once you're going when you use driving normally just filigree leaf [TS]

01:16:20   a sports car I would say it is similar but faster than the m5 you know just sit [TS]

01:16:26   it feels very similarly on the highway if you're passing somebody that actually [TS]

01:16:30   isn't that differently going from like 60 to 80 like it feels about the same [TS]

01:16:33   there actually is some responsibility lag when you're when you're already [TS]

01:16:37   going fast you want to push it to go around somebody who actually is very [TS]

01:16:40   similar to a gas engine like at highway speeds it felt very similar to me that [TS]

01:16:44   might have just been the the acceleration curve some the the pedal [TS]

01:16:51   like you know the affair with a call like how much do you have to press the [TS]

01:16:55   pedal to add some proportional amount of engine tonight a lot of the what car [TS]

01:16:59   makers do to make the car feel more or less parties to change like what happens [TS]

01:17:04   in the first inch of travel is the second inch of travel and seven times as [TS]

01:17:08   much gas as the first major travel or the reverse you know so I can imagine [TS]

01:17:13   that like especially since because all I kinda like they can decide how to curb [TS]

01:17:17   like a new software update adventure maybe it's the the driving tho [TS]

01:17:20   devastating to guess that's one thing I wouldn't expect from a Tesla is anything [TS]

01:17:24   that is perceptible leg having to do with the nature of the drive train as [TS]

01:17:29   opposed to just programming and occur because there's no turbo spinning [TS]

01:17:32   outbreak there's no use being changes just merely [TS]

01:17:35   give more juice to the electric motors and teammate Nick maybe the maybe I was [TS]

01:17:38   decelerating right before I did that and the regeneration thing was kicked in [TS]

01:17:42   immediately disengage the regenerative motor engine things that one pedal [TS]

01:17:49   driving how'd you like that are you doing that then actually so the m5 has a [TS]

01:17:54   lot of engine section so that compared to the m5 it just felt like it had a [TS]

01:17:59   little more engine section like it was I didn't do a house using the breaks like [TS]

01:18:04   a normal person but you could you could do I could see how you could do it I [TS]

01:18:09   didn't do it stops I would I was just doing it to slow down the way I do with [TS]

01:18:14   engine braking so it was fine but anyway so like driving around the handling this [TS]

01:18:20   now join you had mentioned that the handling feels like nothing else because [TS]

01:18:23   it has the battery pack very low this giant heavyweight sitting very low [TS]

01:18:27   center of gravity is very low and handles very like it the car stays very [TS]

01:18:31   flattered that a fair assessment and it doesn't feel the suspension doesn't feel [TS]

01:18:36   overly step is only the car is flat this like a very stiff suspension and then [TS]

01:18:40   you go over bumps you feel like you're being jostle right going through the [TS]

01:18:43   turns I would say that it actually didn't feel noticeably different than my [TS]

01:18:47   car because like good sports cars have always tried to achieve like they always [TS]

01:18:52   tried to have very little body roll and at the play tricks with bars or or looks [TS]

01:18:57   at the suspension tricks to make it better and you know to minimize body [TS]

01:19:02   roll in and keep the car flat during cornering [TS]

01:19:05   it it didn't it didn't feel great but they didn't feel dramatically better in [TS]

01:19:10   cornering then a good sports car would you go over potholes though to get that [TS]

01:19:15   like I think that's where you don't because like I've driven your car for [TS]

01:19:18   short distances and driving your car over the totally destroyed roads of [TS]

01:19:21   Massachusetts I could feel that whatever mode you had to discard a sports car [TS]

01:19:26   suspension is like going over those bottles felt that way rather than a [TS]

01:19:29   dozen my record with this machine like every man suspension right whereas in [TS]

01:19:33   the tests on the same crappy Massachusetts roads it felt flat like [TS]

01:19:37   your car and turns but then you go over potholes and would also suck them up [TS]

01:19:40   bettors I feel like the spring rates are [TS]

01:19:42   softer on the test because they can't afford to be because the center of [TS]

01:19:46   gravity solo and jostling but it may be a close thing but you know having been a [TS]

01:19:52   passenger in the test one having driven your car I think the Tesla wins on [TS]

01:19:56   comfort over a terrible roads and I would assume you're handling but I like [TS]

01:20:03   the extremes [TS]

01:20:04   well okay so does have electric power steering now we i said in a couple shows [TS]

01:20:13   ago how I've never heard anybody say the larger power steering was even as good [TS]

01:20:17   as hydraulic steering like everyone just everyone's always like we're getting [TS]

01:20:21   better but you know no one ever has a task so this has little power steering I [TS]

01:20:27   would say it's good really I wouldn't say it's better but I would say it as [TS]

01:20:31   good as a steering in my car now again this is only a 15 minute test drive and [TS]

01:20:35   so maybe if I am one of these things in triple overtime maybe I would have a [TS]

01:20:39   different opinion of it but in that Hester I we had a lot I had a lot of [TS]

01:20:43   nice turns at low and high speeds and I did not notice the steering like I asked [TS]

01:20:50   happy 30 this is why I realized oh this probably electric and I asked and I said [TS]

01:20:55   yes and and I was I was very impressed because it just it felt like a good [TS]

01:21:01   sports car steering system and thus the suspension as I would say the suspension [TS]

01:21:07   felt like it was very advanced because I was able to have a lot of fun with the [TS]

01:21:12   steering and everything and the suspension and the speed and it never [TS]

01:21:16   had never felt either to marshmellow ailich Alexis or two uncomfortably firm [TS]

01:21:21   Michael but the 1 a.m. was like it just felt good but you still felt the road [TS]

01:21:26   you still felt it was going on and so I really had i I have nothing bad to say [TS]

01:21:31   about the steering or suspension now the grip this so this isn't on the drive car [TS]

01:21:37   as earlier I'm available to drive this car has in my 15 minutes of test drive [TS]

01:21:44   in 20 degree weather on snow tires [TS]

01:21:48   this car has the most advanced all-wheel-drive system have ever felt by [TS]

01:21:53   far by far and away the best of a drive I've ever felt as measured by by the by [TS]

01:22:01   my previous xDrive three series and a couple alexis is driven for parents and [TS]

01:22:06   stuff and [TS]

01:22:08   that's why don't you ever driven a super EXTREME a whole separate and the drive [TS]

01:22:15   system in this thing was shockingly good I have like it was insane and the [TS]

01:22:21   traction control system again this was cold weather so the tires were a little [TS]

01:22:26   by little bit hard cold weather there was because of the new york in the [TS]

01:22:31   winter there was a bunch of travel all over a lot of the roads and I would do [TS]

01:22:35   things like you know turning turning left at an intersection [TS]

01:22:38   like making a return from a stop just like irresponsibly quickly just seeing [TS]

01:22:44   if I could I trying to lose grip and I was able to lose grip occasionally but [TS]

01:22:49   what's interesting about it is not only is it very hard to lose grip but when it [TS]

01:22:53   does it's not like the gas systems where they just cut the engine power for a few [TS]

01:22:57   seconds which really kind of ruins the fun and is not in turn off these systems [TS]

01:23:02   are these the brakes brake individual wheels if it was doing that I don't know [TS]

01:23:06   if it was doing that I couldn't tell it just felt like it was it was the best [TS]

01:23:11   feeling I've ever felt it was the best drive system ever I cannot say enough [TS]

01:23:15   good things about the drive system and I don't know how does in the snow I didn't [TS]

01:23:19   try it in the snow I don't have the chance i've heard it very good but i i [TS]

01:23:23   dont no budget Dr trying to drive it in in a in a fun study irresponsible [TS]

01:23:29   spirited way it was amazing it didn't feel like a nanny it felt like it was [TS]

01:23:34   helping me do what I told the car to do when you go from you know when you do [TS]

01:23:39   that insane acceleration from 0 to 20 million and hit in the face with how [TS]

01:23:43   fast it is at no point in that did I ever feel like it was unsafe or about to [TS]

01:23:48   lose control and go off the road I i cant imagine that a big part of that is [TS]

01:23:52   this all the drive system will you go from zero to going so quickly you think [TS]

01:23:57   like how can the tires even do this like it feels like it feel like it should be [TS]

01:24:00   beyond the limits of the tires of the group they can offer but it it still [TS]

01:24:04   does it so tragic control system of a drive system incredible out even like I [TS]

01:24:09   would like I would intentionally take a quick turnaround the local band and [TS]

01:24:14   intentionally put one of the rear wheels on a gravel so that when I floored it it [TS]

01:24:18   would it should [TS]

01:24:19   grip and it did but it would it would regain it so quickly and you would never [TS]

01:24:25   felt like you were in any real danger of being of going off the road or even [TS]

01:24:29   slightly losing control I mean it was incredible [TS]

01:24:33   overall driving this car I would say it is an amazing sports car-like ride I [TS]

01:24:38   knew I was I knew it would be fast I did not know it would be this sport in this [TS]

01:24:44   fun it was just an incredibly fun sporty fast accelerating drive I cannot say [TS]

01:24:50   enough good things about how made in this car fell to drive the apple of cars [TS]

01:24:54   really anyway I do have some concerns you know if I were to own one of these [TS]

01:25:01   things I of course do have range anxiety you know if he goes like two hundred and [TS]

01:25:06   sixty miles an ideal circumstances I i do they have a cat litter on their site [TS]

01:25:10   it's like ok well if you set the air conditioning to this and you actually [TS]

01:25:13   drive this fast on the highway [TS]

01:25:15   you know how much do you actually expect and mine was morally 200 miles 200 [TS]

01:25:21   degrees out of the air conditioning on driving 85 Dandeli 200 though it's not a [TS]

01:25:27   deal killer but it's a big issue I'm not sure I want this to be our only car our [TS]

01:25:32   family you know I know I know people who do that and but I'm not sure I could do [TS]

01:25:36   that the bigger issue at this and this this ties back into what Apple might [TS]

01:25:40   possibly do in this case I think the answer is pretty similar but there's not [TS]

01:25:45   much else because the problem is a bigger issue i think is charging speed [TS]

01:25:51   and the reason why is because electric cars beyond the beyond like you know the [TS]

01:25:57   battery tech in order just to move a car like this this far they just need a ton [TS]

01:26:04   of powered like my household electric power standards they just need a [TS]

01:26:08   ridiculous amount of power limitation is not how quickly the batteries can accept [TS]

01:26:12   a charge and Sara Lee it's much more limited by how much charge your [TS]

01:26:17   household wiring is able to give it with the kind of outlet you have installed [TS]

01:26:21   like that's that's the big limitation with these cars and they have special [TS]

01:26:25   high power charges you can install but biggest thing for me like my concern [TS]

01:26:29   with a road trip [TS]

01:26:31   would be no problem one would be range but the problem to is like where you [TS]

01:26:34   plug in when you get there to give you some point of reference I did little bit [TS]

01:26:38   of research here so the the common North American in a 120 volt outlet charger if [TS]

01:26:44   you plug into that with the Model S you gain three miles of range per hour 3 [TS]

01:26:50   that's not very good [TS]

01:26:52   it takes about four days to charge your clock so suppose you drive your car to [TS]

01:26:58   somewhere where the only place you can plug in is like through some [TS]

01:27:02   longstanding according to somebody's house or some hotel you can plug into a [TS]

01:27:06   regular outlet ok then you have to stay there for four days to fully charge so [TS]

01:27:10   that's probably not a great option for people now what you're supposed to do if [TS]

01:27:17   you have one of these in your house is you're supposed to get a a dryer outlet [TS]

01:27:21   installed a 240 and palate installed because confer dryers these days it into [TS]

01:27:26   a dryer le can charge the car up fully in nine hours which is great so that's [TS]

01:27:30   fine but like you know I Drive to places like of state to in-laws house my moms I [TS]

01:27:37   visited you guys at your house before how how likely is it that you're gonna [TS]

01:27:42   drive somewhere and you're gonna be able to plug into somebody's extra dryer [TS]

01:27:46   outlet and have that be within like 30 feet if you're over your car is parked [TS]

01:27:51   did you look for a supercharger stations along your normal routes that's what I [TS]

01:27:55   was gonna stay because there's one very close to our house like 10 15 minutes [TS]

01:28:00   away now to be fair that doesn't necessarily mean you would want to ditch [TS]

01:28:03   your Tesla 20 minutes away from the house I'll just leave it that the [TS]

01:28:07   superchargers charges in less than an hour though right [TS]

01:28:09   they give you a dead I believe it's eighty percent charge about 40 minutes [TS]

01:28:13   so it's not a full charge but you know it's enough and some like 40 minutes now [TS]

01:28:17   so so I have had a couple testimony some reading of you know what what did test [TS]

01:28:22   letters do you know how how do you take road trips because chances are you're [TS]

01:28:26   you're not gonna wanna like arrived at someone's house nearly empty and then [TS]

01:28:31   just you know not having to plug in that's that's not great and you're also [TS]

01:28:36   probably not gonna wanna be bugging your hotel or your friend's house or your [TS]

01:28:40   parents Billy hey can I run this [TS]

01:28:43   giant extension cord to your dryer outlets like if they if they even how [TS]

01:28:49   many people do you have a spare tire late period let alone one that you can [TS]

01:28:54   use that is in range of your car's physical range so it's that's an agreed [TS]

01:28:59   solution that a good position to be in and I've heard from a number of people [TS]

01:29:02   thank you for those people who have responded to me perform a number of [TS]

01:29:06   people who have told me about various like their absence and maps and like [TS]

01:29:11   there's a thing called plug share [TS]

01:29:14   people can volunteer their houses to other EV owners that you can use my [TS]

01:29:19   charging point at my house we're glad you're passing through it that's all [TS]

01:29:22   cool and everything but that's why I really prefer to be independent and 22 [TS]

01:29:27   not need to rely on like you know going around somewhere neighborhood at night [TS]

01:29:32   like trying to figure out where the nearest charged appear that really bums [TS]

01:29:36   off somebody that's not my style I really doing that so you can do it but [TS]

01:29:41   it's it's not easy and it's not it's not great and former gather what most people [TS]

01:29:47   do is you basically supercharged right before you get somewhere and then when [TS]

01:29:52   you leave on your way out you super charges as you leave and that way you [TS]

01:29:55   have a charge should do some local driving while you're there and then [TS]

01:29:59   you're fine but either but you know every time you stop at a supercharger [TS]

01:30:02   that adds like an hour to your trip you know you gotta get there [TS]

01:30:07   stop plugin hopefully to nobody already taking up all the spots that's a big [TS]

01:30:11   problem if there is that a data for you missed you wait for them to come back [TS]

01:30:14   hopefully your plugin you get forty minutes charge there you know you go and [TS]

01:30:20   have some lunch whatever but that's that's a big delay for a road trip [TS]

01:30:24   especially if only if only every 250 miles or so so like every every three or [TS]

01:30:31   four hours you gotta stop for an hour that's that kinda sucks now did they [TS]

01:30:36   ever actually start doing the five-minute complete battery swapping [TS]

01:30:41   talking about yet to talk to other I don't know if it's actually deployed [TS]

01:30:44   anywhere and I'm not sure that would do it necessarily but it's interesting idea [TS]

01:30:49   cuz you know again the problem here is [TS]

01:30:52   is just the speed at which you can deliver this much power into such a [TS]

01:30:57   tremendous battery pack and that's that's going to be hard to solve in this [TS]

01:31:01   is like Apple if Apple does it pure electric vehicle you could do fuel cell [TS]

01:31:06   fuel cells are options to announce that today they're doing the fuel cell [TS]

01:31:10   vehicles that's interesting but they need hydrogen everywhere that's kind of [TS]

01:31:14   that has its own set of challenges and issues and anyway so this is a problem [TS]

01:31:19   you know it's not a deal killer for a lot of people but it is certainly a [TS]

01:31:23   major inconvenience you know that the fact that you can't just fill up [TS]

01:31:26   anywhere and that filling up take so long that that is really a problem and [TS]

01:31:31   not a deal killer for a lot of people but but a significant problem and its [TS]

01:31:35   parent adoption anyway so I have some reservations about whether I should own [TS]

01:31:41   one of these things [TS]

01:31:43   the practical side of it that that would that would concern me but you don't have [TS]

01:31:47   any reservations about whether your wife should this well she she likes your car [TS]

01:31:52   like everybody would have to be my car did you look did you look at the [TS]

01:31:57   the luggage space in like the general you know three GTS dislike it I i feel [TS]

01:32:01   like the space in this car maybe not as cavernous as her current car but like [TS]

01:32:08   it's in the ballpark right I think it might have more total space even though [TS]

01:32:12   the 3G T has a pretty nice wide opening to the back but the test might have more [TS]

01:32:18   overall space anyway I would say it was the driving experience of this overall [TS]

01:32:24   was the best car I've ever driven period better than yours [TS]

01:32:29   yeah i i really would like to have more time during one of these things even [TS]

01:32:34   though I have reservations about in practice so anyway after the test drive [TS]

01:32:38   I went back to my car to drive it home for 20 minutes going from the p85 D to [TS]

01:32:45   an m5 it made the m5 feel like two words that nobody has ever used to describe an [TS]

01:32:52   m5 slow and light those are two words that no one has ever used to describe it [TS]

01:32:59   in five you're absolutely right I would add a third one is no easy but this is [TS]

01:33:03   the radio anyway yeah yeah now yes I first of all I immediately miserable [TS]

01:33:13   drive immediately [TS]

01:33:14   cold day on the hard tyres even though we both cars and winter tires on it but [TS]

01:33:18   I immediately miserable drive going back to shifting gears now I have discussed [TS]

01:33:23   many times in case you too you know I always I love manually shifting my gears [TS]

01:33:27   I do with the DCT now it's stuck in the past and I do this because I don't like [TS]

01:33:32   the way automatics feel and behave and make the decisions for you I want [TS]

01:33:37   maximum responsiveness for what I intend to do with the car and i can only really [TS]

01:33:41   get that by shifting gears I don't shift gears manually because I like the actual [TS]

01:33:45   work of managing what gear the cars in how it matches up with the engine power [TS]

01:33:51   and everything like the actual work of shifting gears I don't care that much [TS]

01:33:56   about which is why I had no qualms about going to the city from the manual and [TS]

01:33:59   why I don't regret that move at all I want the car to behave the way I want to [TS]

01:34:04   have the power available the way I want not necessarily do I need to be shifting [TS]

01:34:07   gears constantly having no kieres at all [TS]

01:34:10   and having infinite power available at any speed but very little lag I can [TS]

01:34:15   honestly say after 50 minutes driving at least that's just better like it's [TS]

01:34:20   simply better like I thought it would be less fun or less like a driving [TS]

01:34:25   experience but it wasn't it just felt better and you know it it really overall [TS]

01:34:31   it really felt like I went back to my car it immediately felt like the clunky [TS]

01:34:36   bad hack that gas cars really are like daily gas cars are such terrible hacks [TS]

01:34:42   piles and piles of terrible has on top of terrible acts and and you know Johnny [TS]

01:34:47   said last week with the Tesla has so many fewer parts of such a simpler [TS]

01:34:51   mechanical thing do you feel that like it you can really tell that this all of [TS]

01:34:56   your drivetrain it is something else it is really something I N and [TS]

01:35:00   unfortunately the something else I think has ruined me forever like having driven [TS]

01:35:04   it once but now I'm ruined every gas car seems like an old clunky hack did you [TS]

01:35:10   look at the front and the back of his head like where the car you open up all [TS]

01:35:15   the doors open about things you like a magic trick I know they have like I'm [TS]

01:35:20   also went to go for something else I stopped the show and look at their paint [TS]

01:35:25   stuff they have one of the had a disassembled where it's only the drive [TS]

01:35:28   train in they had these I'm sure it's just like a giant silver rectangle of [TS]

01:35:34   batteries with wheels on the corners and that's about it but there's nothing and [TS]

01:35:38   have but it has the the motors though right [TS]

01:35:41   yeah yeah and they like you like this is just the chassis and then you have to [TS]

01:35:45   add like the engine [TS]

01:35:46   and that's you could drive that the right cards the wheel suspension is the [TS]

01:35:52   battery and it's the power sources for all of the wheels yeah exactly so I mean [TS]

01:35:57   it really I would say don't drive one of these is it will ruin you like I mean it [TS]

01:36:04   is you know my my lease is coming up in a year and Nobel Dr m5 is probably gonna [TS]

01:36:10   come out and about three more years but I think by the time and I'll be driving [TS]

01:36:15   five comes out I'll probably already be driving one of these and I won't want to [TS]

01:36:20   go back to a gas card like no matter how good of a gas card is once you've ever [TS]

01:36:25   wanted these things it is shockingly different and shockingly good like again [TS]

01:36:29   I thought there was going to be a major tradeoffs in fun in supporting us and [TS]

01:36:34   handling and there just weren't at all like it was just better it was so much [TS]

01:36:39   better and so much simpler in some of it it's almost more pure you know if it's [TS]

01:36:45   more pure because there is the best there is less stuff like managing all [TS]

01:36:50   these different Lake Jackson and levels of power delivery just push the pedal to [TS]

01:36:55   go and you can do whatever you want with the steering and and it's it's just [TS]

01:37:00   amazing and so i think you know if I can make an announcement to conclude this [TS]

01:37:06   whole long rant that's now been almost a half hour long electric cars are like [TS]

01:37:10   SSDs on the transition to SSDs where you know as soon as you use an SSD for the [TS]

01:37:16   first time in ruins you miss you see it as a deer like man I can never go back [TS]

01:37:22   to us and as soon as you have used on any spinning disk that you you have to [TS]

01:37:26   that horrible it so you know it's terrible so once you have you once you [TS]

01:37:33   give an electric cars very similar it's like you just ruined everything else for [TS]

01:37:37   you but like the SSD transition it also comes with significant cost and [TS]

01:37:43   significant limitations up front and maybe eventually down leak years on the [TS]

01:37:49   road maybe will be passed that but it's gonna be slower than the transition was [TS]

01:37:54   and so pure electric cars are incredible in a lot of ways [TS]

01:37:59   in communion and limited and expensive in other ways but there's just so much [TS]

01:38:05   better at the core driving experience in so many ways that I think a lot of [TS]

01:38:12   people are going to be willing to accept those costs and limitations just like as [TS]

01:38:16   it is and i think it's very very likely that I will get one of these witnesses [TS]

01:38:21   said last week [TS]

01:38:23   referencing test that they were the first company that actually made a good [TS]

01:38:28   electric are not like good for an electric car but a good car that happens [TS]

01:38:32   to also be a life jacket sounds like you agree totally I i mean completely [TS]

01:38:36   totally agree I E [TS]

01:38:38   I like I've already looked at life like price it out with the options I want and [TS]

01:38:42   it is actually more expensive but what I'd like to do it actually like to see [TS]

01:38:46   if I can find a dealer has one about to test drive the non PC version just the [TS]

01:38:50   just the 85 D so it's still the old rival just it's less power because I [TS]

01:38:57   don't intend to do the insane acceleration from a stop like ever [TS]

01:39:00   actually like it is that like it was unpleasant so I'm curious like the one [TS]

01:39:06   on p1 it still has a Dr everything that is like 20 grand less and a good few [TS]

01:39:11   hundred dollars a month left on the lease so I'm not gonna look at that is [TS]

01:39:14   even drive one of those and see if I care about the difference but I'm pretty [TS]

01:39:19   sure maybe getting one of these things and Casey never drive on because it [TS]

01:39:23   would ruin you to like this this is how the manual transmissions going to die we [TS]

01:39:27   all thought that it was going to die because everyone moved to automatics in [TS]

01:39:32   reality the manuals going to be killed by the lack of a need for transmission [TS]

01:39:36   yeah you're right it's wild to me that you liked it that much the fact that you [TS]

01:39:41   liked it and I'm not really surprised you know the fact that you liked it [TS]

01:39:45   this much I do find surprising especially because you know I i feel [TS]

01:39:51   like BMW and apple and I know you guys think I'm crazy for for comparing them [TS]

01:39:55   saying they're similar but I really do feel like they are in a lot of ways and [TS]

01:39:57   an apple in a lot of ways tries to get you invested in the experience of owning [TS]

01:40:05   an Apple product with the retail stores and I'm trying to get out examples but I [TS]

01:40:10   can't put that but just the whole experience [TS]

01:40:11   products similarly BMW maybe they don't actively tried to get you in a similar [TS]

01:40:15   position but you know when you and I and an underscore went to the performance [TS]

01:40:19   driving school that was certainly an actual event that we learned things but [TS]

01:40:25   you could also say it was a two-day BMW sales pitch that we paid for the [TS]

01:40:28   privilege of going to see and so in a lot of ways I feel like you and I have [TS]

01:40:32   bought into the whole BMW air quotes culture and plus we both drive like that [TS]

01:40:39   helps too but the point is you I i feel like you and I are / were all in on [TS]

01:40:46   Apple all in on the BMW experience and for you to just violently say oh my [TS]

01:40:53   goodness this is definitely liked your head swiveled around entirely and I'm [TS]

01:40:58   not saying that's a bad thing at all in fact that's probably a good thing [TS]

01:41:00   because I think this is the future but but I'm surprised how enthusiastic you [TS]

01:41:05   are over this experience after having spent so much time going to Munich going [TS]

01:41:11   to the performance driving school [TS]

01:41:13   owning three different BMWs in the last 10 years whatever it's been you know I'm [TS]

01:41:17   surprised that you are this into it this quickly that's you know that's this is [TS]

01:41:22   true disruption to disruption is something that makes everything else [TS]

01:41:25   seem totally irrelevant and useless like that's how good this was it was [TS]

01:41:30   incredible and as you know the comet the handling the speed and the overdrive [TS]

01:41:34   system or just incredible [TS]

01:41:37   this is this is this is going to be ridiculously I think you know anyone who [TS]

01:41:43   can afford it which is admittedly a very small group but it's it's gonna be [TS]

01:41:46   really good I think what you just said though about you know buying in and and [TS]

01:41:51   being maybe maybe a family that's the right word just like you know like [TS]

01:41:54   buying a lot 21 companies you know cultural products or identity this is [TS]

01:42:01   this is one of the reasons why you know right now I'm a huge fan of coffee and [TS]

01:42:08   Apple stuff and BMW's but there's a reason why I like my twitter username [TS]

01:42:12   doesn't include it's not like coffee Marco Apple fan Marco thats [TS]

01:42:17   I never tried to tie my identity to something that could so easily change [TS]

01:42:23   over time you know and and I think it's important for everybody to consider this [TS]

01:42:27   like you know with your own identities and and with with you know the team's [TS]

01:42:30   you think you're on what you think makes you you know and and if if what if you [TS]

01:42:36   consists of a set of like brand names in foods you like you know that don't tie [TS]

01:42:43   to firmly to that because that stuff can change you know what if tomorrow I [TS]

01:42:48   developed a digestive problem and i cant drink coffee anymore like I don't want [TS]

01:42:52   to have coffee have been this giant part of my identity it all the time I feel [TS]

01:42:55   like I'm losing part of my identity you know if BMW starts making cars I don't [TS]

01:43:00   like I have no problem buying something for somebody else if Apple is making [TS]

01:43:03   appears I don't like I have no problem buying computers and somebody else I [TS]

01:43:06   hope that doesn't happen with somebody else that they're not that good but you [TS]

01:43:11   know if they if that happens like I i'm fine changing those things I it is very [TS]

01:43:17   important than ever that endeavored Lokmat identity to some external [TS]

01:43:21   affiliation to a brand or a thing that I can't you'll get away from that's that's [TS]

01:43:27   unwise and and it makes people make bad decisions and have stupid conversations [TS]

01:43:32   and leave stupid comment it was common forms so yeah I mean look I like right [TS]

01:43:39   now I have the BMW because I think it was the best car in the world that I [TS]

01:43:44   could get at the time that I got it and and I worked hard enough to get it I was [TS]

01:43:48   really happy about that and I still am very happy with it but now I found [TS]

01:43:52   something that is substantially better in a few key ways that matter a lot to [TS]

01:43:56   me and again in some key ways it substantially worse you know my car can [TS]

01:44:01   go 300 400 miles easy on a highway and I can stop and I can fill up in 10 minutes [TS]

01:44:07   anywhere and go and you can't do that with a Tesla and that's not gonna be the [TS]

01:44:13   kind of thing that all of a sudden comes next year that's gonna be a long term [TS]

01:44:18   thing that you might never be able to do it done even guarantee eventually it'll [TS]

01:44:22   charge in 10 minutes will be finally that might never happen [TS]

01:44:25   certainly within the lifetime of of the car that you buy today that you own with [TS]

01:44:30   no lights of anything by today that won't happen but you to be open to the [TS]

01:44:36   possibility of something better might come along right and I think in this [TS]

01:44:41   case something did there any wealthy benefactor of the show please keep in [TS]

01:44:45   mind that I still want the mid-engine Viet 400 thats 488 you know and just [TS]

01:44:54   keep up with the model suggests that has not changed now market I think just to [TS]

01:45:00   close this this post show just let this show you that every once in a while [TS]

01:45:06   doing your homework is actually worth it was really long I'm sorry incredibly [TS]

01:45:15   look like a brand affiliation and everything everything you said is true [TS]

01:45:19   but in your case specifically I think that what it highlights the aspect of [TS]

01:45:25   your personality and your dealings with sort of products and brands that wins [TS]

01:45:31   out over brand allegiance is your desire for new shiny things that is the that is [TS]

01:45:39   the primary motivator of your actions that something better that that's kind [TS]

01:45:47   of nature of like which doesn't manifest itself in your programming languages but [TS]

01:45:50   totally self cleaning things that you by Damion like cars the you drive the [TS]

01:46:02   computers that you use are gonna get a new Mac Pro and now the new iMac is [TS]

01:46:06   shinier like just you are always looking for a product that's better than the [TS]

01:46:09   product you have testing million light bulbs is there a better light bulb is it [TS]

01:46:14   better in some subtle way to find the best light bulb in a look at levels [TS]

01:46:19   again [TS]

01:46:19   friendliness the light bulbs just like I just want the best light bulb and it is [TS]

01:46:23   a better life out there and i dont have it I'm just replacing every light on [TS]

01:46:25   this damn house [TS]

01:46:30   it's not crap but it's like I found a way better I know by like it saying that [TS]

01:46:36   that your personal drive to find the best one of what are the things that [TS]

01:46:40   you're into his overriding [TS]

01:46:43   I think you do have some allegiance like you know you really like BMW like what [TS]

01:46:47   they do you bought multiple BMW's or whatever but only until you find [TS]

01:46:51   something that's better than like it doesn't that overrides the oil did you [TS]

01:46:55   did have loyalty to BWW for you know the Tesla has existed if you had test drive [TS]

01:46:59   test driven the non insane mode none like high-powered one of these years ago [TS]

01:47:04   you might have had the same reaction maybe without the part where you feel [TS]

01:47:08   like you're being punched in the face but you might have the same reaction [TS]

01:47:10   what was keeping you from doing well but it only had a Dr like two months ago and [TS]

01:47:14   and the high powered motor and I i guess i do like again you don't drive the two [TS]

01:47:20   wheel drive and see what are you are you have a two hour drive car now you [TS]

01:47:22   brought it to a drive and five so there is a little bit of like the whole brand [TS]

01:47:26   loyalty and you know and the fact that you don't wanna keep looking for a new [TS]

01:47:28   thing like once you find that thing you have you enjoyed for some period of time [TS]

01:47:31   before you visit but I would say that I was dominant part of your personality [TS]

01:47:34   over overriding all the other parts [TS]

01:47:37   this is why lease cars and also cuz I stress out too much when I don't like [TS]

01:47:40   God whenever I had a car that I owned I was such an incredible ball of nerves [TS]

01:47:47   and told wreck about it like any any little scratch oh my god it was returned [TS]

01:47:52   your crappy cars yeah yeah cuz it because then it because it was less [TS]

01:47:58   about this is going to destroy value me to lose a lot of money and more about [TS]

01:48:02   going to look at the stretch of the next 10 years [TS]

01:48:04   yeah I know I'm resigned to that I've got two cars and I tried to keep my new [TS]

01:48:08   car nice for a long time but it's just that it's impossible [TS]

01:48:11   this winter like I can imagine you look like when I finally clean it off and see [TS]

01:48:18   what the hell underneath the road salt and disgusting I can tell you it's gonna [TS]

01:48:23   look like a very average completely forgettable [TS]

01:48:28   average of the average from a decade ago but anyway I keep my cars until they die [TS]

01:48:34   or until their resale value is almost zero like you know we've got ourselves [TS]

01:48:38   because they don't sell it soon I'm gonna have to give it away and then [TS]

01:48:40   maybe difficult like that's how long to keep my car so I'm not a car lease their [TS]

01:48:44   life area though I would drive very little just so you know I have tried to [TS]

01:48:49   meet answer so far are you ok now somebody will buy you a wealthy [TS]

01:48:54   benefactors listening I will take good care of it and under the a country radio [TS]

01:48:58   now or never [TS]

01:49:00   different house for to live it so this is why you buy used cars because by the [TS]

01:49:06   time it arrives in your garage it's already been nicked ordained in some way [TS]

01:49:10   shape or form and so it's all bets are off at that point needed stuff to [TS]

01:49:14   embrace it I don't think you can do the PE that the 8530 I think you'd have to [TS]

01:49:20   do the p85 T has the performance differences substantial [TS]

01:49:24   it's a large difference if it was if it was like if it was a good enough for [TS]

01:49:28   second rings were just 3.2 a do it there will be plenty but it's a pretty [TS]

01:49:33   substantial difference yeah I think you're right unfortunately we have to [TS]

01:49:36   turn on Insane mode you can go try because it may be what you like the fact [TS]

01:49:40   that there's no pauses are no wiser like just the sort of the wish electric so [TS]

01:49:46   try to slower and slower once it is again under all that much slower from [TS]

01:49:51   fifty to eighty maybe even notice when I'm a little concerned that the Super p1 [TS]

01:49:59   it mentions a speed difference pension inscription and what I like so much [TS]

01:50:04   about it was the suspension of a drive system so I i suspect I'm just gonna [TS]

01:50:07   have to go with the big 12 testimony I'm such a national [TS]

01:50:12   well you know that you overcame that part the part of you that was [TS]

01:50:15   embarrassed by like the ridiculous car you overcame that for them 50 across [TS]

01:50:19   that hurt on now you'll be easier to pull the trigger and just give you the [TS]

01:50:22   whatever the most expensive tests what you have is a 1001 and this is actually [TS]

01:50:26   my neighborhood like I do feel a little self-conscious because my car is very [TS]

01:50:30   loud in the employ of it like the end cars are all there are there extra loud [TS]

01:50:33   have that problem I know exactly like my neighbors have even made comments ago we [TS]

01:50:38   can hear you coming up the block while that might also have to deal with you [TS]

01:50:42   not shifting before 5,000 rpm why would I think just say [TS]