0:00:00to me forget T-shirts like I made the mistake of using my system I have
0:00:04restoring T-shirts is like my nerdy shirts gone hangers instead of being
0:00:08folded up and I figured let's find a bike too nerdy shirts now a thousand
0:00:13their teachers in the half my closet Isner t shirts on hangers I just spaces
0:00:19we should probably actually start the show so we have some follow-up from all
0:00:26the way across the planet in Australia Jon Lajoie to tell us about what way to
0:00:30Australia that this is the best theory I've heard so far although it's still
0:00:34kind of vague in shaky based on fake products and members of why a 12 inch
0:00:41MacBook Air might only have one USB port on it instead of 22 hotties I can't wait
0:00:47for the Sun to come out so we can stop talking about it the worst part of the
0:00:50room with Retina screen really involved through it like one part why would you
0:00:56do that on purpose and then I just do I need to have a reason because it doesn't
0:01:02make any sense otherwise so this is about the PCI Express Lanes how many PCI
0:01:07Express lanes are supported by Karim chipset that we assume this fake product
0:01:12will use and according to wait from Australia it supports two lanes of PCI
0:01:17Express 4 gigabytes per lane so that means you need more than two lanes per
0:01:23USB 3.0 Unported you want the full speed which I would assume they do so you
0:01:27start adding up the parts you end up like with one lane for the pci-express
0:01:31SSD and 14 like wi-fi Bluetooth and stuff like that and you can get the
0:01:37chipset with different combinations of lanes and waves speculation is that if
0:01:41you can get everything in four lanes then you don't have to you can get a
0:01:47chipset the just as those for means you don't need to spend power like pulling
0:01:50other lanes for devices like in other words you can shut down some of the
0:01:53lanes
0:01:54so you're going to need more than forces single lanes just 44 USC 351 you need to
0:02:01really enjoy that and you more further radios and SSD you already at five if
0:02:06you want to add another part you have to bump it up at this from 528 I guess I'll
0:02:10this depends on do you really get a big power savings from keeping it at or
0:02:14under for a tour under five like is there a point at which you have to spend
0:02:19like the the power budget takes a leap you know does not scale linearly so PCI
0:02:24Express lanes are sort of the the currency the internals of modern max in
0:02:31terms of how many do you have and then what can you spend them on and stuff
0:02:34like that because you know once you're out of them you're you're out of them
0:02:36and i think is that a USB 3.0 is not built into the chipset that's why you
0:02:41need to use PCI Express it's not an integrated into the chipsets so I i buy
0:02:49more of these theories because it plays into hardware constraints that Apple
0:02:53doesn't have control over and also power saving but you know it's speculated
0:02:58machine from a mock up and we don't know exactly what contrast that you never
0:03:02know what kind of crazy stuff that Apple has inside their laptops again with the
0:03:06history of the repackaged chip in the original MacBook Air who's to say the
0:03:10things that are offered by Intel right now are the things to constrain Apple
0:03:14specifically so we'll wait and see I don't I don't think we've ever actually
0:03:18seen correct me if I'm wrong but it's not my head here I don't think we've
0:03:22ever actually seen Intel give Apple access to a 28 chipset or even a chip
0:03:28itself that wasn't available on the market with the one exception of the end
0:03:32of the day but that was only a that was like a physical repackaging but to make
0:03:36the pins smaller but like the chip the die was still the same as what everyone
0:03:40else was getting some apple would be willing to put another chip on the board
0:03:44that's not part of Intel's chips the chips that has this and then we buy from
0:03:47whatever other we are manufacturer that we have some relationship with for iOS
0:03:51hardware something this other chip they give them into have to add a chip anyway
0:03:55for through the USB 3 controller and so who is making that controller chip for
0:03:59them they could probably get that company to make a special trip just for
0:04:02a day
0:04:03and I don't know like I'm not willing to rule out almost anything because Apple
0:04:08has such incredible volumes and such leverage with with chip makers that data
0:04:13marlys can make Intel do special things for them but at this point I could you
0:04:16look at the IRS program everything who has been leaning on Intel so hard for
0:04:20many many years to improve their GPUs
0:04:24I would attribute a lot of Intel's recent GB you focus on the things that
0:04:29Apple said that it needs from them and his influence their multi-year up they
0:04:32don't get it exclusively everybody gets it but that kind of focus and the fact
0:04:36that you know these chip shop and apples machines I would assume there's a lot of
0:04:40influence there in terms of what Intel decides to make so we also had some
0:04:47feedback about from Tom holiday he had said that the rumor twelve-inch lack of
0:04:54Thunderbolt sorrows me the MacBook Air + 27 inch Thunderbolt Display
0:04:58configuration allows sessile components I've never heard that word that's a wrap
0:05:04and I thought was a typo for several it's not a word that's a safety word of
0:05:10an organism for example in trying to call in one place or in mobile got you
0:05:16covered I learned that word as a description of my friends cat when I was
0:05:20in high school there was the SATs word association and candaces ok so the
0:05:28medicare plus 27 inch display configuration allows us all components
0:05:32like external hard drive scanners and printers and a 27 inch display to be set
0:05:36up for the desktop while the MacBook routines portability i put this in the
0:05:40notes because we talked about this in the past shows but that all these things
0:05:47that you get out of standard both in terms of having multiple devices going
0:05:50through one particular chain
0:05:52you could approximate them you get you get the display you get the USB you have
0:05:58a USB type of thing you can connect you know you could
0:06:02hard drives through USB and I'm gonna be may be as nice as fanciest under about
0:06:07this but the question that I had just brought to mind is to this meaning of
0:06:12Apple comes out with this thing in your thunder bolt is off most of the machines
0:06:15and everything is usb3
0:06:17ever revise their stupid monitors does the next equivalent of the Thunderbolt
0:06:22Display try to replace the Thunderbolt Display with one that connects just
0:06:28three USB or is that not something they're interested in any more because I
0:06:32use the same arrangement like you have a portable machine you plug one cable into
0:06:35it and then you have all the other ports don't sit on the laptop and it's really
0:06:39nice arrangement that will go away with this unless Apple comes out with a new
0:06:43display that's like their USB hub display where you know the the extra a
0:06:48modest one cable you plug it in and you get a USB however you can put up all
0:06:52your hard drives and everything and you also get the display obviously no cable
0:06:55and I would certainly hope that they would because I have lost it after the
0:07:00Thunderbolt Display since it was a thing like two or three years now right but
0:07:05anyway I've wanted one so badly but I'm Way too cheap to buy one and I would
0:07:09hope that they would still do this kind of a set up but I am extremely skeptical
0:07:14that they would do this kind of a setup because Apple just i mean when is Apple
0:07:18ever really believed in in a docking station there was that one word like the
0:07:21the whole entire folded up laptop slid into a dime steven hack it is furious
0:07:26right now I don't remember the name of 20 doc thank you but I mean other than
0:07:30that we're talking seasons not really a thing which is actually kind of
0:07:33frustrating to me because I work in an office full of Dell's where they all
0:07:36have these docking stations which are aesthetically hideous but functionally
0:07:40awesome and I kind of wish that my Mac would do something so hard but yeah i i
0:07:46and I don't see them really putting too much effort into that well I mean the
0:07:50answer to that is those like bucket and motorboat docks things but nobody really
0:07:54buys those far as I can tell they're so expensive
0:07:57200 bucks down from 300 but still it's dole out but still like
0:08:02I think if this was a direction Apple's going with all of their laptops they
0:08:08might be concerned with things like this but for this one model I don't think we
0:08:12need to read too much into it again and again assuming it's all correct with
0:08:16these rumors but I don't read too much into it because you guys are all talking
0:08:21about from the perspective of people who use laptops much of the time or most of
0:08:25the time as desktops with a bunch of stuff put into them and and have these
0:08:28these heavy external needs I think it's I think it's a good idea for most of
0:08:34Apple's laptops to cater to that because that is probably how most laptops that
0:08:37are soldier actually used especially with power user to defend and might have
0:08:42an extra monitor stuff but I think there is nothing wrong with Apple having a
0:08:47model in the lineup that does not cater to being plugged into stuff all the time
0:08:52that that won't won't be good at that I mean the original MacBook Air was awful
0:08:56about that the newer and newer ones only got better because of Thunderbolt I
0:09:01think there is nothing there's nothing saying that Apple needs to solve the
0:09:06problem of lots of good external bandwidth or or external Porsche Riley
0:09:10that with this model of MacBook I think they could be just fine with this one
0:09:14mostly mostly made to be portable to not be used while plugged into my stuff most
0:09:19of the time you know I think you might be onto something there because now that
0:09:23I'm thinking about my own example of work and docking stations I think a lot
0:09:27of the reason that we have the docking stations everywhere in dual monitors
0:09:31everywhere is just because it's nice to have it but for non developers my
0:09:36company that I work for is probably half business consultants in half
0:09:42technical consultants like myself for the for the business folks I think
0:09:46they'd like having a second monitor but I i would guess that most of them would
0:09:50tell you will you know if it went away whatever in so if I think about it
0:09:55typically they're not plug in an external hard drive typically they're
0:09:58not plugging in Ethernet typically they they're not plug in an external monitor
0:10:02and just happens to be sitting there so generally speaking a lot of these folks
0:10:06all they plug in his power to your point Marco and that's it in so what it really
0:10:11matter
0:10:11this hyper portable computer only can take power in one other thing maybe not
0:10:16you know that this MacBook Air two things about it like potentially can't
0:10:22they just have one mile on line one I think the rumor maybe not this specific
0:10:26Aurora talking about the 925 macklin but for the past few years it was like the
0:10:291130 going later would just be replaced by a single 12 if that ends up being in
0:10:34the case it's fine for them to have one model they would be like this but if
0:10:38you're replacing two models with it it seems weird that you know to the people
0:10:42who wanted something ultraportable and you don't care about the ports 11 inch
0:10:45make sense and for the people want a bigger sort of more full size laptop of
0:10:49their teenage but if your place them both with the 12 it's kind of weird for
0:10:52it to say that all you you can use this one like you like to revert to the
0:10:56original MacBook Air but there is an advantage to not using thunderbolt and
0:11:02it has to do with the annoying nature of thunder bolt size we have a wonderful
0:11:06display here and a MacBook Air and it's got the little little squid type cable
0:11:12coming out the end of it where it's got the MagSafe power thing to power your
0:11:16laptop from the monitor and it also has the Thunderbolt cable and part of it is
0:11:21that they made the little squid tentacles too short so there because
0:11:25they're on opposite sides of the MacBook Air yet to put the Thunderbolt on the
0:11:28left side facing you and then the power under whatever the opposite wall on the
0:11:33right and the terrible connected because it has a chip in the connector itself it
0:11:39sticks out like an interim the computer with this big you know inflexible
0:11:44the hard plastic part of the connector
0:11:46and it's just not it's not great like the cables have sharp angles and it
0:11:52makes the thing wider it's it's not nice looking with the USB thing even though
0:11:56it can't do all the things that Thunderbolt can do one the cable won't
0:12:01have a giant inch long hard plastic connector thing yet but it could be a
0:12:05much smaller more flexible thing and to it they combine the power with it
0:12:10you also need to have the split squad thing where you have the magazine on one
0:12:13side and you know you were literally be able to plug in just one cable said
0:12:17right now it's one cable but it splits into it then and that spending is kind
0:12:21of annoying every time you take it apart you know all the things out from each
0:12:25other and then ate slides behind that they've just have one little cable that
0:12:28was a USB cable I would be easier to sort of plug and unplug and I'm
0:12:32generally and the doc because of the whole docking procedure being awkward
0:12:36I'd much rather just put down the desk and plug in one small cable yeah I agree
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0:15:31perfectly fine one more thing to add to the bottom of the power we briefly
0:15:38mentioned it before but it's worth mentioning again the idea if we talk
0:15:43about a bag safety can be yes you can
0:15:46despite that are USB people also are interested in the idea of pairing at the
0:15:53way the watch is powered
0:15:55with the thing that doesn't plug into it but I think that sort of attaches to the
0:15:58outside please don't and I don't think that makes any sense because like USB
0:16:05will work we know that like it'll be fine I'm not sure what the advantage
0:16:10would be to having a big awardees sort of you know metal thing that you place
0:16:17on top of it like space is already at a premium and I'm not sure where you would
0:16:22put that and then who wants to have a bunch of connectors with a big circle
0:16:26thing I'm not even sure that I work with the watch another thing is having up
0:16:31some kind of patter something to use inductive charging where you put it on
0:16:34the patent it charges that is a little bit better appeal busy now playing seven
0:16:38you just checking it down and put stuff on the pad I'm not sure how fast those
0:16:41chargers are but like it could be done but the problem pads have is if you
0:16:47still need something to plug in because you've got a pad in the place where you
0:16:50put it in your home but like when you travel do you want to travel the big pad
0:16:53or a little after having it something that plug the smallest possible thing
0:16:58you can plug in
0:16:59would be nice some of the shower message but why would the paddock to be big well
0:17:02but small then again then your brain about like alignment issues or something
0:17:06like the idea just wanted to put a thing down somewhere in a line it did not
0:17:10stick a little worried thing on it
0:17:11playing a little tiny thing into a little tiny port is actually very
0:17:14straightforward and fast compared to at least in the past the type of things
0:17:18they've had where you put your phone down in a certain pattern whatever
0:17:21that's why you want to be like a big thing where you put it just put it
0:17:24anywhere to charge it will be fun so that's possible but I Paula really
0:17:28hasn't gone there I think it mostly has to do with the space that type of
0:17:32solution would take up and the fact that plugin seems to work and the final one
0:17:35which i think is the most online it was brought to my attention by some of his
0:17:39name is now costs to the mists of time
0:17:42someone sent me a link to a YouTube video called why Tricity for wirelessly
0:17:46sending power in the shadow of the website is why Tricity dot com you can
0:17:51take a look at it made me recall our past conversations about the Artemis
0:17:55peace L stop for sort of during the targeted Wireless to avoid interference
0:18:02recalculate the you know the sort of interference map of all the different
0:18:06sources of wireless and you focus the signal destined for your laptop right on
0:18:11your laptop and one of the vague memory kind of handy things like oh and we
0:18:16might be able to use this or something more than just sending data in I think
0:18:19there was a hint it like we could do wireless power because once they have
0:18:23the ability to focus in particular signal on a particular location we can
0:18:28power things that way as well both of those seem crazy to me but crazy in a
0:18:33fun way I guess you could like you know accidentally slowly baked the inside of
0:18:38your hand if the heaviest in the wireless power the wrong spot and it
0:18:41sort of my craving your hand would be bad but I don't know all of these
0:18:47obviously is that a possible if you notice everything powering stuff comes
0:18:51up people like this is not new technology inductive stuff is not new
0:18:54wireless power is not new those things that work you know some of the breakup
0:18:57nikola Tesla and say that we have this hundred years ago and just the the
0:19:03physics and technology behind it all seems to be there but the products like
0:19:07the products that people haven't caught on to the degree that other technology
0:19:11has we're usually you know when something is going to gain traction like
0:19:16really high res screens like other people really want that they don't even
0:19:20know they can't tell just catches on to go through everything pretty soon
0:19:23pictures will be gone from an old devices just because
0:19:26it's better it's adequately better everybody likes it better you could do
0:19:29more things but it looks sharper even if most people can tell it's good
0:19:34inductive charging wireless power all those things have not made that
0:19:38breakthrough is it because they just haven't been done right or is it because
0:19:42the thing they're trying to replace is not as annoying as people think it is
0:19:47and people don't mind just plugging something in its more straight border I
0:19:51don't know but I would love to see one of these things I've never used any of
0:19:57these for your time and I'd love to see one of them actually end up being like
0:20:02the new thing because all of that site by kind of feel like putting things in
0:20:06like you know that in the future we should celebrate by the Future Part 2
0:20:09which is celebrate because we are now in the year up to the Future Part two races
0:20:14they what was the name of the video game in the future than ever tell us that I
0:20:20haven't seen Back to the Future two years
0:20:24fly goes over to it and he picks up the little plastic like a gun thing of the
0:20:30screen like to use your hands like a baby's toy
0:20:33how barbaric we're not there yet but it would be cool
0:20:38John I love did mark when I beat you down to the point that you have to go on
0:20:42a preamble to meet your pop culture reference make sense I just couldn't
0:20:46remember the name of the thing was at a camp known in the chatroom hasn't yet
0:20:49faced with her she would now it's it's like a Western game while gunmen some of
0:20:55the things I can tell that's not why I think everyone who's searching for all
0:21:06these crazy complex systems of charging this theoretical permit laptop I think
0:21:11you know john is a minute ago like almost all of these even if they worked
0:21:15would probably be more annoying or have a big downside in practice the fact is
0:21:20if it still has any ports at all then it's worth just charging it with a cable
0:21:25because that's going to be better no matter what can a cable that is that's
0:21:29going to be better than any other kind of weird induction or wireless or you
0:21:33know Matt induction or clip on induction kind of seems like it it's just none of
0:21:37those things if you actually think about what it would be like to
0:21:40use them in practice in real life I just don't think any of those things would be
0:21:44overall less annoying and and better than just a decent cable and they are
0:21:48you have you seen cables MagSafe is pretty good
0:21:51like there's there's nothing wrong with MagSafe and if they end up using the USB
0:21:55power consumption power thing to do that that's probably going to be perfectly
0:21:58fine to it's probably not a big deal
0:22:01the only reason to watch has to do it really is because the watch is water
0:22:05sealed so the watch has no openings so they had to do some kind of other system
0:22:11besides a cable that plugs in and it clicked onto this giant is the backplate
0:22:17safire's a ceramic or something it's something that's not meddle because if
0:22:21you if you would clip with MagSafe
0:22:23giant metal disc onto a metal laptop it was scratched the hell out of it just
0:22:28like the iPad 3 Smart Cover deputies mark over the middle and you know so all
0:22:34these things are like they're they're searching for solutions to what really
0:22:38isn't that big of a problem which is a laptop that any ports at all can still
0:22:41have a power plug and that'll be fine you know why I will admit I like MagSafe
0:22:50one better than MagSafe to MagSafe 2 comes out accidentally more easily in
0:22:55the in the vertical direction when pressed but it's not a nap that's my
0:23:01only problem with it I'm a little bit I think the weaknesses of MagSafe both
0:23:07version is the time that all contacts i've seen a lot of pictures of and
0:23:14stories about MagSafe things that somehow you've got a misaligned or
0:23:19something waged in there is something cause the short inside that little tiny
0:23:22area because it is everything is so fine in like there's even one little iron
0:23:26filings from silly kids tied up load in over there and you plug it in and fries
0:23:30the thing and it would be nice if there wasn't that if it was more resistant to
0:23:35stuff I'm not sure what you would replace it with them because I think the
0:23:38tiny USB cables probably have the same problem maybe
0:23:41but I agree that make safe to is worse than one but I'm not sure with the with
0:23:47the shrinking sizes not sure how what you can do to make safe to make it
0:23:53better also making it smaller whereas something that plugs een you know where
0:24:00does if the USB 3 connector that tiny little one does that come out just as
0:24:06easily as MagSafe when you trip over the cable or does it not like wait what size
0:24:10to start becoming like this is just as good as MagSafe in terms of trip
0:24:13resistance and I don't know until someone buys one of these things or by
0:24:17some other USB three devices are stripping out can we move on to any
0:24:23other top heck yes we have corrections for you and John with regard to
0:24:28reliability probability I'm like really corrections because both of us tried so
0:24:36hard to stay away from the math part like we didn't want to talk about the
0:24:38math we just hand wave didn't get the hand waving because we use mathematical
0:24:42words about like addition to you know that that was enough to trigger the math
0:24:48people to come to us I think we all knew we were gonna be wrong we didn't know
0:24:51the math is to possible actually was a good email about it too which
0:24:57unfortunately is too long complicated to explain but Dr Dre has been explaining
0:25:02the actual math of the probability stuff Karen Healey has been explaining what he
0:25:07thinks he probably meant that I think he's closer if I had to be summarized
0:25:10this discussion I would I would say their two-point all both not involving
0:25:13that is the idea that if you have something we're certainly liability and
0:25:23you add a second thing even if the reliability is just as good as the first
0:25:26thing if your entire system to be successful they both have to work even
0:25:30decrease the reliability of the system even though the thing you added is just
0:25:33as reliable the other thing
0:25:35so that was one counter intuitive thing that people think it's like well if I
0:25:39had the second thing is just a reliable the first thing the total liabilities
0:25:42are saying no it's worse so that's one and the second thing is the sort of this
0:25:47place is probably wrong but I'll say it anyway network effect when you add more
0:25:52and more devices yet three devices and you had one before you don't get three
0:25:56times the number of things you can do because if they all interact with each
0:25:59other
0:25:59the number of possible connections and interactions between them goes up much
0:26:03faster than linearly and that sort of multiplicative affected marco was first
0:26:07one to make a problem right added that by adding you may add one device to
0:26:13another one you don't just get three times the number of things you can do
0:26:16you might try tomorrow night if they all interact with each other and so the
0:26:19first point combined with the second means that the sort of intuitive sense
0:26:25that when I have a computer there's one thing and I have a computer and a phone
0:26:28that's two things and it should be roughly like you know it should first
0:26:34people to think that the phone is just a reliable to use the computer my total
0:26:37system reliability is not gone down but it totally has because if they both died
0:26:424 features that cross between them or syncing issues that were never too much
0:26:45worse than just having a boner just having better and the second thing is as
0:26:49you get even more devices the number of connections between them possible
0:26:52interaction goes way up goes up faster than linearly especially if they all
0:26:57interact with each other especially if some features on one aren't even
0:26:59unlocked until you get the second one i contenuti is not even in your world with
0:27:03you have two devices such as a whole new feature set that wasn't even there
0:27:06before the blooms on both of them and then the interaction between them and
0:27:09then three of them in the cloud and everything like that that's more or less
0:27:12what we're getting it you want to get into the nitty-gritty details on the map
0:27:14doctoring is a good coverage there and the person who sent us an email
0:27:18said that even though things do get worse and you had something to a system
0:27:21if most most things are generally reliable like their reliability is 99%
0:27:27or whatever doesn't get that bad as the affected may be exaggerating the effects
0:27:31because it now like 50% reliability yes that would that you really feel like
0:27:35most things are very reliable and another one to the system of the same
0:27:39reliability is not gonna pull down your overall reliability that much that's why
0:27:43I think Erin's post about
0:27:44the number of possible interactions between the different devices going up
0:27:49that's the real thrust of over getting in this market and we still don't we
0:27:55still another math he stubbornly refused to address or learn any of the Met this
0:27:59will not be on the test people believe john Hoeven that's what I wasn't
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0:30:47rumor that the iPad pro might which we don't even know exists might come with a
0:30:55stylus which is something different so what are we gonna do a stylist right to
0:31:01use a stylus know why the stylist
0:31:07you have to give them and put them away he loses nobody wants a stylist so let's
0:31:13not use the stylus if you see a stylist then what is it they were to fail if you
0:31:18need a stylist you've already failed the point is one of the more reliable supply
0:31:25chain I guess analysts say because i dont no hito term but anyway
0:31:31has said that the next iPad to the 30 13 inch iPad will have an optional stylist
0:31:38and I don't think that most of us would have paid too much attention to this or
0:31:43certainly I wouldn't have accepted this particular individual has an
0:31:47unbelievably good track record which makes me think ok maybe this is real so
0:31:51i cant i dont own any stylized styluses for my iPad I've never gotten any of
0:31:58them really had a particular need forum I've tried the paper pencil
0:32:03I got one of those do it sits in a drawer it seemed cool I guess but I i'm
0:32:08just not one that needs a stylist so I don't think I can really comment
0:32:13intelligently on this it sounds like Marco you have a bunch and has he spoken
0:32:17family of the cosmonaut the past rate yeah and of all the one they have that
0:32:21my favorite one for general use of the if you if you use paper a lot like the a
0:32:27paper by 43 if you use that Apple up for artistic purposes and sketching purposes
0:32:33their stylist offer some features in that app that that other ones won't have
0:32:36the paper pencil for general use around the iPad I don't think the pencil is
0:32:41better than nothing about the same if not a little bit of a weird shape and
0:32:46it's the thing is the reason why it's a big deal of Apple makes one of these is
0:32:51because of Apple makes a stylist it's not going to be a $25 capacitive foam
0:32:57tip stick the way all the other ones are it's going to be integrated with the
0:33:02with the OS and hardware so right now the reason why this the style I on the
0:33:08market generally all suck or or that they've they've basically hit a wall
0:33:13that they can't get any better than this is because to get better than that
0:33:17that you need system wide recognition of Bluetooth and more precision on the tip
0:33:24and so certainly like the the paper but 53 stylist I think that is pretty sure
0:33:29it is believed that some kind of are you must be so that is Bluetooth but it only
0:33:33works in their app and it's still under music can be because you need is like
0:33:38you the app has to try to do things like reject part deciding upon touching the
0:33:44screen not count that as a touch and things like that and and the the
0:33:48low-level OS frameworks for touch recognition have way more recognition
0:33:52and win more data to work with than what exposed to absent a public API eyes and
0:33:59so if Apple did this at the system level they cannot only use Bluetooth or some
0:34:02other kind of short-range Aref thing people do but they could not only use
0:34:06Bluetooth that they could do it
0:34:08system wide so it would work in every app with all the sensitivity and
0:34:12precision and it would be it would be able to tie in with the touch
0:34:16recognition and and do like you know better touch rejection of that none of
0:34:21which their party styles can do really very well or or everywhere right now so
0:34:26that's why it's a big deal
0:34:27Apple makes one day might even if this if this is going to be a big deal they
0:34:33might even switch to a different kind of texture and I believe it's a resistive
0:34:37touchscreen our least be able to put a layer like that I'd like what the the
0:34:41Wacom Cintiq soyuz which is what the Microsoft Surface pro you at least the
0:34:4623 a ton of the original one did I think it did but the surface Pro uses this to
0:34:50where it's basically it's like a pen tablet integrated into the screen and
0:34:55artists love these things they they are you know if if you're if you're a sketch
0:35:01artist or illustrated illustration artists they would use a pan for your
0:35:05free art form these things are very very widely recognized very very widely
0:35:09appreciated and and the iPad really doesn't do a very good job at that
0:35:13because of the imprecision and limitations of the styles are available
0:35:16now so I think if they did this
0:35:20and I think they probably should do this I think there there's there's a market
0:35:24for it it would make sense to limited to only one model and make it like a
0:35:28high-end thing that would make sense just like Microsoft has done really and
0:35:33then just like black ops done an about it and I know that wrong I don't know
0:35:37what the bride usually there's a Wacom gets more fun in the city F&P but i i
0:35:44think it's a very good idea well I don't know if they actually do it but I think
0:35:47it's a very good idea I think it's inevitable because I mean for the same
0:35:51reason I think the bigger iPad is inevitable and multitasking multi-window
0:35:54in the iPad is inevitable like that that this platform has to expand to do more
0:35:59things because its people like it better than the old platform and get them
0:36:04expand slowly and make another loses much of the advantages and diversified
0:36:07line so a particular product is it and what has to happen because the amazing
0:36:13number of artificial fingers for sale for iOS devices just goes to show that
0:36:18there is a market demand for this the same way that people wanted bigger
0:36:20phones right and that's why you know you don't like but that's why all the
0:36:24existing ones that stink because all they are is artificial thinkers like all
0:36:30urs simulating a finger and the OS is made four fingers and simulated fingers
0:36:35are real fingers of racist about your fingers in the big squishy things there
0:36:38in precise about what comes out with a stylist not only that a deal Bluetooth I
0:36:42think they have to do something different with the screen like I said if
0:36:46you look at the huge number of patents that come out of Apple Apple patents
0:36:50million things I mean they're gonna make anything but I think in the case of the
0:36:53stylist even if we didn't see any patents I would think that a stylist is
0:36:56going to eventually come on we get to that point and a plus tons of patents
0:37:00related to sales is your style or whatever the plural that was caused it
0:37:04to be awkward for the whole time we talk about this please if you took Latin high
0:37:10school don't write and I don't we don't care anyway I also took last night why
0:37:15would they have all those pants usually their patents are about like well user
0:37:19interface stuff like maybe they tried this user interface and it wasn't great
0:37:21they did ship but they gonna patty pan everything you plan anything you do but
0:37:26the number of styles related patents that have come out of Apple over the
0:37:29years shows that they've had people doing stuff related to styluses our
0:37:33style I ever saw Hong
0:37:35like why the still die while those guys still doing that it's not like they just
0:37:38try this experiment 1 year after he have two year people are into an elaborate
0:37:43his Elastix doing stuff and maybe they hate all those maybe everything they
0:37:46found something that not going to make but someone is being employed at Apple
0:37:51to do stuff that produces things that are patentable related to drawing with a
0:37:55stick on a screen so it seems to me that that is definitely something that
0:38:01they're working on not just once but over the years and they're eventually
0:38:05going to get something they like maybe not this year maybe next year but I
0:38:09think it's inevitable and if they don't they don't hurry up like the surface
0:38:13getting of the you know the cachet with the artists because finally it was a
0:38:15portable tablet type thing that had the hardware support for a decent stylist
0:38:21interface if Apple doesn't do it soon enough eventually is going to be like
0:38:24well every artist knows that if you if you want to do are on the road you have
0:38:28to get america service because you're not going to use the classic lingered at
0:38:31scribbled on iPad right so I would say now is the correct time for them to do
0:38:36something I hope they do something that is at least as good as what the service
0:38:40does and I'm really hoping that at least one or two of those weird patents or
0:38:43something we haven't seen before because pants take a long time to come out
0:38:46something they haven't even seen its patent-pending will provide interfaces
0:38:52even better now the kind of these scary ghost floating around this has nothing
0:38:57to do a drawing pretty pictures on your iPad has everything to do with the other
0:39:01thing that you might do with a pen or pencil already implemented a flat
0:39:04surface which is write letters and that's you know has been characterized
0:39:09as an a/b and Apple has big scary I grackles all over this topic but Satan
0:39:16thing is once you once you ship once you make a stylist and you're able to you
0:39:21know do find out with it or whatever
0:39:23are you going to say no you can't write notes that will translate into text i
0:39:29mean that's one way to get out of it just to avoid entirely say it's just
0:39:32hard right now if you could write words but it was a state like we won't
0:39:35translate into text but but I think there's no way for them to avoid having
0:39:40to resurrect and finally defeat the ghosts of the news by doing handwriting
0:39:46recognition that is not embarrassing and I think the technology is there to do it
0:39:49and I think they have to support system wide a nice way and I think very few
0:39:55people use the biggest who likes writing with a pen and pencil everyone who likes
0:39:58riding you know just fine but I really really feel like I mean I don't like it
0:40:03that much either but that's a pretty big group that does is that hit his thing in
0:40:11what context are you going to use it I can imagine using it for things like
0:40:15checking things off or scribbling a quick will know that bring up the
0:40:20keyboard to type things out but I can't imagine someone using it to do text
0:40:25messages or write a long email or something and maybe that's just me maybe
0:40:28maybe just don't see that anymore but like if you're gonna ride along unless
0:40:33it does because people are really fast with those who have you liked it right
0:40:36hand and running unless they tackle Chris if people are jerks
0:40:41just do a long do i how long handwritten letter increase of having translate that
0:40:45into text for you but having really good stylist support in this day and age
0:40:51you've let them write in cursive and just send it as a giant image like you
0:40:56can do that now you couldn't it wasn't an option before you had to translate
0:40:58the text I think now this beautiful handwriting you know that people have
0:41:03you know they want to convey their
0:41:05you want to see someone wearing one I just transferred as you know vector or
0:41:09bitmap or something like that why do you have to turn it takes I guess after
0:41:12injection make it searchable and so on and so forth and I don't know where they
0:41:17go this but I think the the Art angle as a slam-dunk they're gonna do it going to
0:41:21be good I hope it doesn't happen this year they better hurry up because
0:41:25everyone else is doing it
0:41:26and then the handwriting thing I have no idea what they're gonna do when I see
0:41:29all sorts of crazy pitfalls there I think the opportunity as its big I would
0:41:35be surprised if anybody at apple with with the ability to make such a decision
0:41:39would would restrict or stay away from these areas because of the noon I think
0:41:45they just don't care anymore that was so long that was ancient history and the
0:41:48public most of the public doesn't even remember the news and doesn't even care
0:41:52about and that's they way because of the Newton but because it's still hard
0:41:56problem like look at like the severest does it now Microsoft does it and they
0:41:59do obviously better than the noon right away more computing power and they've
0:42:02been doing it for like a decade it might have been doing it for a long time and
0:42:06they end its and their version is pretty good it's good but it's like here's the
0:42:11thing with its not so people don't need to remember the news just like it too
0:42:14hard enough problem kind of like a lot of the stuff and fortunately we're not
0:42:17gonna talk about this week but I don't think it is a time to watch it but you
0:42:20know the windows 10 announcement and the holographic style or in the past the
0:42:24connector whatever things that are that was real things that really hard
0:42:28problems that make a really awesome tech demo to make you feel like you're living
0:42:32in the future but if they don't deliver on it like if they if they don't cross
0:42:36the threshold I kind of like have Siri didn't cross the threshold in the
0:42:39beginning of like well demos well but doesn't quite work for you enough that
0:42:43I'm just gonna give up on it and that came up again because they are jacket
0:42:46was talking about how serious gotten much better and that went around the
0:42:49sort of Apple married sites this past week or so by the way about that so i
0:42:55sorry for so I I have not used here in a long time because it just never works
0:43:02for me like the reliability was so bad for so long ago stopped trying but I
0:43:05would say I would say complete command would sit there and has been for 20
0:43:09seconds and then say I'm sorry I can't help you right now there's been an area
0:43:12so I stopped trying after seeing all these things about Syria my garden maybe
0:43:16I'll give it a shot
0:43:17first thing I try yesterday serious about the stopwatch sorry Marco I can't
0:43:24help you with the stopwatch it can do everything else on the clock app it can
0:43:28start the stopwatch yep
0:43:30really come on that's this is easy stuff why why but at least it worked you know
0:43:35it is understood well and give you
0:43:38a reasonable answer but it's similar in that like serious kind of bad or any
0:43:43kind of voice recognition thing you just let a kid use it and you'll see other
0:43:47guys like as soon as you start talking to it and it talks back to you people
0:43:50like oh I guess this is a complete human and if it doesn't exactly what I say I
0:43:54consider it stupid right and then running and running right mission as
0:43:58similar as soon as it changes anything you right into text you like it
0:44:01understands handwriting and then you write something else and it doesn't you
0:44:04like this thing is stupid because you're only your only analog for something they
0:44:08understand spoken text and can read handwriting is other human body can read
0:44:12this word on the shopping list why couldn't you read this one it's there's
0:44:15no you know took to a human being and you can be one of those words you can we
0:44:19both like this one is not incredibly sloppier than the other but to a
0:44:23computer which is not like a human not even close
0:44:26you know it's not even at the level like a kindergarten student terms of
0:44:29recognizing letters just as a bunch of heuristics as soon as they get tripped
0:44:32up by things that make no sense to you because you have no idea how it's
0:44:34recognized you also have no idea how your own recognizance or just works on
0:44:38us right there are our brains just where that's the real it just works right we
0:44:42can be taught to read and write it just works right for the most part in most
0:44:47people I still can't read all discursive cardigan from Old people you got people
0:44:52are out of practice you've got people with terrible handwriting but
0:44:54handwriting recognition is a promise that if you don't pass a certain bar
0:44:59it's like that that's why I think the bitmap thing is a way out because maybe
0:45:04you tried to him right direction even if you do it better than Microsoft's don't
0:45:07think that's below the minimum that will be acceptable by the general public
0:45:10where people say oh and understand your handwriting what they'll say instead is
0:45:13sometimes it kinda understands your handwriting which is not a ringing
0:45:17endorsement but if you can use it to send it maps of your writing about your
0:45:22only problem is the person on the other end can read your writing and we've all
0:45:25had that where you know a spouse writes a shopping list for you and you can't
0:45:29make out whatever the last word is you're not sure if it's like carrots
0:45:32cucumbers or something with the sea in a bunch of squiggles so if if humans can
0:45:38do it sometimes you know I don't know
0:45:40I think that is a difficult thing it and really talk about tablets here I can't
0:45:47imagine someone doing it on the phone but once you have it working on the
0:45:49tablet do you put it in the six plus a little place to put a stylist or
0:45:54something would would you see I mean I know people see this now someone with a
0:45:58you know the Galaxy Note or whatever
0:46:00holding a big giant phone and stabbing it with a pencil thing my own mother
0:46:04uses a little fake finger thing to stabbed her iPod Touch some people just
0:46:09want to poke something with the stick with it with the stylist obviously not a
0:46:18fun I have I have my father-in-law uses iPad very often with the cosmonauts I
0:46:23keep he prefers to interact with that way to stepping you know you a bunch of
0:46:26everything I totally get that and I i think you know the the era of Apple
0:46:31sticking with a very small product line you know I don't think they're really
0:46:36holding you really do that i mean just look at the iPad lineup like you
0:46:39mentioned earlier about the new 12 inch MacBook Air thing you know possibly need
0:46:46to replace 1113 Aaron even that like you know not anytime soon maybe not ever
0:46:51because they are fine having a bigger lineup I I think the Tim Cook era and it
0:46:57didn't start with mister with Steve but it but certainly I think the temple gary
0:47:01has expanded this of like Apple is fine
0:47:05keeping old products around and having more versions of new products now to
0:47:09address market that they weren't serving before that were possibly a threat to
0:47:12them I think they're sticking to the AME remove the old quadrant thing with like
0:47:17pro-consumer laptop desktop that was a simpler time right there was no watches
0:47:20no phones and tablets whatever but within their their products that up it's
0:47:24not crazy like they have a laptop line that they have more or less simplified
0:47:29by trying to you know MacBook Pro and MacBook versus the air and you getting
0:47:33rid of the the non-pro MacBooks everything they have tablets they have
0:47:37phones laptops and a couple variety of their desktop in a couple of varieties
0:47:41what they're doing is within those sort of nameplates and brands diversifying
0:47:45like
0:47:46how many different iPad daughter but the simplification things like it's just an
0:47:49iPad you don't have to know like do I want an iPad or another tablet price
0:47:54they're all iPad like perception why did all this is just like buying different
0:47:58size of closing or you know whatever it's like it's as if that car
0:48:02manufacturer had one kind of car and you get that car and SUV wagon you know
0:48:08tricycle motorcycle but they called it all the same line of things you know
0:48:12maybe not quite that bad actually that's not that far from the BMW actually does
0:48:16it in the in Apple's world the three of the five series would not be different
0:48:22cars right and maybe you'd have liked the electric one would be different I
0:48:26think the iPad is the best example these are all iPads they're all rectangles
0:48:31good but like huge diversity of different guts different acts outside
0:48:35the reform package in the phone has slowly been there all iPhones just
0:48:39whatever ideal iPhones and is that there's a range there as well
0:48:42iPod Touch is often the corner whatever so with the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro
0:48:46two still division there but they're kind of unified a MacBook so I think
0:48:51Apple's appetite for taking existing product lines and just making more
0:48:55varieties is is demonstrated but their their appetite for splitting say the
0:49:04MacBook line further splitting into the MacBook MacBook Pro MacBook Air MacBook
0:49:07whatever I think they said they're going the other direction you know making
0:49:11everything getting rid of the plastic models making it all the time getting
0:49:14rid of the non-pro MacBooks and you know who knows how long the air this new one
0:49:18is called the MacBook still in the air is go away or something I don't know
0:49:21that kinda diversification is like having your cake and eating it too
0:49:25because you address more of the customer baseball still making it seem like you
0:49:31only need to have you know two or three tables and Apple store and you put all
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0:52:14great LY nba.com / ATP so CBS has already ended by like a week or two is
0:52:22that right
0:52:23it's always hard to tell with CEOs like if it's a real thing of anything matters
0:52:27I wonder if we can just paste in the verges summary of CES from last year and
0:52:34just pasted in this year would anybody notice anyone who isn't John would have
0:52:41no idea that it was the same thing with regard to tainted but John would notice
0:52:44and john has noticed first thing any related this is the wire cutter did what
0:52:49they do which is like they distill it down to the things they thought were
0:52:53actually interesting and important and CSS actually is an important show if you
0:52:57care about consumer electronics but there is so much of their that it's like
0:53:02what is the what is the important thing this year and so for me interested in
0:53:06televisions every year at CES like what did a new crop of television's look like
0:53:11because you know people tend to announce their upcoming things that they have new
0:53:15technologies is the first year you know the first year and LCD HDTV those of the
0:53:22exciting years where this some kind of technological advance and then they're
0:53:25all the in-between years we like ok what is this year's crop of plasma TVs like a
0:53:30debate last year's problem you know so it's more boring that's just picking
0:53:33televisions one category but for every category this something like that was
0:53:37just tons and tons of noise so the wire cutter thing is a good summary of the
0:53:42wire cutter some very interesting gadgets and stuff from CVS I'm really
0:53:48interested in the TV part so the only part of highlighted here but the link
0:53:51that shows you can check it out because you can't if you try to fall like CBS
0:53:54coverage you can't it's just this too much stuff and a lot of the times things
0:53:58that are covered by sort of live from CES stuff for the things that demo well
0:54:02but you're never gonna see them again is not a real products not a real thing but
0:54:05the booth and a demo is impressive and then just forget that exists because
0:54:09you'll never see anything about it again but
0:54:11the technology stuff which is like more of the boring written stories that does
0:54:14not have anything fun to look at this just announcements of products
0:54:19this is just talked about it last year and I'm a television front fork a
0:54:24television and the technologies related that are slowly steadily marching
0:54:29forward for case we don't probably care too much about because of the size of
0:54:32the televisions be having to dismiss it from them it's probably not a factor but
0:54:36as we discussed last year for cake comes at more than just high resolution also
0:54:40calls for a larger color gamut different frame rates and other stuff like that
0:54:44the people will notice and then the one I was really interested in last year
0:54:47with this crazy this is not really a product demo tape thing from Dolby which
0:54:51is like high dynamic range to be able to have darker darksome greater rights and
0:54:56your television and that is something much more so than for K that you would
0:55:01notice if you put a regular TV text along with this high dynamic range thing
0:55:06you would be able to tell the difference in the same way that you the most people
0:55:10could with high-definition television per standard and the exciting but boring
0:55:16announcement related to that is this
0:55:18UHD line switches consortium of a bunch of people who make hardware and a bunch
0:55:23of people who make content to try to get together on these standards because we
0:55:27don't want this to turn into a weird format war whatever if any of these
0:55:30things that many of the sort of enhanced or k with high dynamic range that ever
0:55:34gonna become a thing it can't be confined to one vendor can't be confined
0:55:37to one distributor and I think now it's good to see the company's at least
0:55:41understand it's a little bit at various times they've been good and bad about
0:55:44this like getting together on you know making a decision on blu-ray finally
0:55:48after having the HDTV or you know I think CDs they kind of came together a
0:55:52little bit it's always an argument over who owns the patents and he's going to
0:55:55get the money and all that crap but no but nobody benefits if it's like if it's
0:55:59competing standards over just available just only have like this high dynamic
0:56:03range thing right in there was exclusively licensed to them
0:56:06and just so many movies relic that nobody cares like who would ever get
0:56:09that TV like well that's great but you only watch so many movies movies that
0:56:13has to be an industry standard glad to see them doing this because I'm much
0:56:17more excited about high dynamic range stuff and the color enhanced in a frame
0:56:22rate enhancements for KTV than about the fork a resolution itself so I'm hoping
0:56:28good things will come from the UHD line that it won't splinter apart to do a
0:56:31bunch of petty squabbling and cracked and the final thing is like speaking of
0:56:37things that are sort of evergreen about see your messages if we just repost the
0:56:41verge story every time I think about it actually writing something got CBS which
0:56:44actually do think about it but I think about it and I think back to the post I
0:56:48wrote in 2013 code that Coach is CES Cohen worse products through software
0:56:56and I don't want this to be an evergreen article I wanted to be remember that
0:57:01moment in time when consumer electronics companies realize that they needed
0:57:05software in their products and they were super bad at it every time they had
0:57:08software I made their products worse and I'm hoping this will be a time that
0:57:13passes maybe a decade or something but I would want this article to be out of
0:57:18date and look antiquated and look old-fashioned but this year I think it
0:57:24still applies every every every consumer electronics product is not made by a
0:57:29company with a computing platform Google Apple Microsoft may be kind of you in a
0:57:35Milan those are pretty much the only companies like companies that maintain
0:57:38that that have a software platform and if they maintain an advanced it they're
0:57:45the only companies they can do software worth a damn
0:57:47every other company that tries to offer their product it just makes the product
0:57:51worse because the software is also replaces something that wasn't quite as
0:57:54awful and a new capabilities never make up for the difficulty of dealing with
0:57:58your refrigerator comes to software it's going to be worse than your generator
0:58:01without software guaranteed because you know free-trader makers have no idea
0:58:06what to do when it comes to software
0:58:07thus far the new TV makers the terrible but update that have a bug fixes and the
0:58:13project self didn't start off very good and doesn't get any better so I'm not
0:58:18writing anything new about that it's still true I wish it wasn't that CBS III
0:58:25I'm not in the TV world but I totally agree with that statement in other areas
0:58:30things have gotten off Kickstarter that have like this is another thermometer
0:58:34that has an app on your phone to see the result since there is a way better than
0:58:41actual display and a stupid thing you know the microphone interface I got for
0:58:45a week and then returned it was burned away but like this thing that has this
0:58:49the screen with just one button on it and everything else controlled by
0:58:53software and of course the software is terrible so I get this I replace it with
0:58:57this box it is covered in knobs and buttons and its way better and it will
0:59:01last way longer I mean just I hate software so much and I'm a software
0:59:06developer and I hate software I mean its use software intelligently use offer
0:59:12when it really does benefit things but that is not everywhere and that is not
0:59:17always necessary and is often better without it and the worst part is like
0:59:20even in places where you could totally see the benefit like there are things
0:59:24that have had sort of you know the visual interfaces for a long time like
0:59:28for example thermostats or something like that's a perfect place for software
0:59:31because having a bunch a little buttons on a panel at the open up on this little
0:59:35dinky screen you like boy if I could have a real software it is that would be
0:59:39better and the nest approaches kind of tied up with also gonna make it program
0:59:43or whatever but so many opportunities exist for something that we thought were
0:59:47really is appropriate but awful software is worse then just right and when you
0:59:54talk about things like this is actually not inappropriately off at this point
0:59:59does it give me a mechanical device that works and the cars it is the best
1:00:02example because like there are ample opportunities for good software to
1:00:06improve the experience inside a car but they take this offer and put it where
1:00:09it's not needed and then this offer that is there
1:00:12usually pretty terrible and you know we all used cars and so we're all just kind
1:00:16of suffering as companies that do not know how to make software I get
1:00:20hopefully slowly learn to make software better I don't know if they're even
1:00:24learning of the BMW key fob but the screen I like that is not an appropriate
1:00:30place for software in your pocket you wanna field goal to feel the buttons are
1:00:35you maybe don't touch it at all like yeah right
1:00:41and speaking of software our friends are really something new this week
1:00:47hijacked three indeed not pro though so forget it
1:00:51budget means doesn't have the nobel boards on anymore
1:00:55yeah exactly you'll get a job they were used to be called auto hijack pro and
1:00:59with the version 3 they removed from the name because it was just like you know
1:01:04like Netscape Navigator gold pearl gold we don't need the suffixes in the
1:01:11modified audio hijacked and its version 3 and I have been fiddling with it I
1:01:18have not used it to record a podcast yet I didn't have enough time today to get
1:01:23my I don't know I guess workflow almost a session I think it's what they term
1:01:29they use and have enough time to get my session squared away before we recorded
1:01:33tonight but I'm hoping to the next week
1:01:36be able to set it up so that every chords not only a copy of just by my but
1:01:41also a copy of you guys as well and this will be super helpful for analog but
1:01:46it's really really slick the way they've done the kind of work flowy interface
1:01:51where you're dragging boxes around it it's it's again a very gentle way trying
1:01:59to do very powerful things much like the workflow out that i've talked about
1:02:02quite a few times both on my website in here on the show that's a very cool very
1:02:07cool idea very well done and the thought of writing that you I scares the crap
1:02:13outta me cause I'm a terrible UI developer as it is
1:02:16and writing something that complex with like that kind of a dynamic layout just
1:02:20scares the bejesus out of me but it's cool I wouldn't just served as gentle
1:02:24and but by the way this is not a paid sponsorship saying this because we think
1:02:27this after the meeting the reason I'm excited about this happens because it
1:02:30takes an idea that bike concepts that have you know that have been related to
1:02:35the audio for a long time and it's like these capabilities allies' kimberly's
1:02:40marlys existed already in the previous versions of audio hijack or you could
1:02:44have done yourselves with the idea of things the major renovation of this is
1:02:47kind of like people are familiar with court composer is it lets you visually
1:02:52design the flow of audio like if you were to die you know if you were to try
1:02:56to explain to me what I need is a need to have the audio from this source going
1:02:59to over here and needs it to recording to file over there but the mixed with
1:03:03this one over here and have a volume adjustment go through this output device
1:03:05and you would run an Afghan like boy how the hell making sure that you just take
1:03:10that diagram and you make it in in this thing that blocks you can pop over for
1:03:14sources of audio they have a little metre block which i think is genius
1:03:18shows the the greatness of these approaches like what is the media blog
1:03:21do lending let you know if you're clipping and and that source right and
1:03:25you have a justice for different channels and volume things and you have
1:03:28a recorder were you could put the track down and you can put multiple tracks
1:03:31down into one recordings put them on two separate ones the interfaces the entire
1:03:36thing is application capabilities were there and you could have used an old
1:03:40version of Heidegger applications but take a look at the screen shot to
1:03:43deceive you do anything related audio maybe you don't maybe it's just a bunch
1:03:46of podcasters who care about the stuff but if you do anything related to audio
1:03:49recording audio this one interface is one window like just a bunch of things
1:03:54in common with lines lets anybody do things that previously almost nobody
1:03:59could do because you have to understand like that some crazy arcane interface
1:04:02and a bunch of weird vocabulary to like this is all visual vocabulary very
1:04:06simple very straightforward up super impressed by this yeah it's a very need
1:04:10up and hoping to get everything squared away so I can use it to record this next
1:04:15week you should hold out because they really want to sponsor like it I could
1:04:18sponsor me for them to just did and you were and you were on the bait if this
1:04:24weren't you
1:04:25yeah yeah I like it a lot it's what I like I said in a blog post to like in
1:04:29audio is a pretty like dealing with audio and idaho like you need to record
1:04:33this through this mixer combine it with this then be able to make this an record
1:04:38over here and put this off and applying Eq in a compressor over here like doing
1:04:43stuff like that can very quickly lead you into hardware complexity and and
1:04:49just a Hello wires and cheap or expensive little boxes all over the
1:04:54place and lots of like just boxes all over your desk and complexity and not
1:04:58knowing where things are and and costs and this app is able to replace so much
1:05:06complexity so much harder so many even like if you try to do a lot of these
1:05:09these things in software there are a flick free open-source things out there
1:05:14that will that you can do some of these things with or that you can combine in
1:05:19certain ways to do some of these things and they're usually way harder to set up
1:05:23and you have all these three different packages and one of the only made for
1:05:26Linux and all this don't like it
1:05:28bottlenecks and and frustrations limitations and challenges and setting
1:05:33it all up so they have it all in one app is pretty amazing
1:05:36this kind of makes me sad because like this is the kind of awesome utility that
1:05:41we will never see on iOS and they can never be in the Mac App Store and those
1:05:45things make me very sad I was gonna bring up is like the the innovation of
1:05:51this out like this is exactly like the original good it's like previously I
1:05:55could not do this with the computer becomes too complicated but now you make
1:05:58all my files little pictures now I can actually range I don't know how to take
1:06:02command the move files I can't keep you know like simple things like bombings
1:06:05and once you made the files little pictures of people to drive around with
1:06:08a mouse tell me they were able to do it you know we're gonna have actual audio
1:06:13hardware with
1:06:14XLR interfaces are all that stuff like this is not replacing a giant recording
1:06:18studio for them but it seemed like you have a Mac that is capable of doing a
1:06:21lot of stuff in software that you can also do a better job of a more fancy job
1:06:27with hardware but maybe you don't want to buy thousands of dollars worth of
1:06:30audio hardware and that marker said that is a whole other world of complexity
1:06:33what if you just want to do something like I have a Mac everything here is
1:06:37happening on the back I've got a Skype call I've got you know Google hangout
1:06:41I've got the music playing I've got like why can't I i know i Mac is capable of
1:06:46this it here is all the audio I can read it in a simple way using the input and
1:06:50output drop out why can't I just do this one thing they want to do is not that
1:06:53much more complicated so I would say this is like but I tweeted about it was
1:06:57like if you don't have a big budget for hardware but you want to do something
1:07:00like that market does but like planes music and making it a live stream stuff
1:07:04like that like or you know on the income people worry just wanna play clips from
1:07:08shows like lipson past episodes or drop in sound effects in like a game show Dec
1:07:13thing you're not asking for much
1:07:14it's pretty simple but like oh I can add stuff then but it will record my side
1:07:18effects you just hear them over to Skype chatter the only place I get my sound
1:07:21effects of the Skype chat or uploaded clip and the other people in the show on
1:07:26here at but eventually it'll be in the final recording silly things like that
1:07:29are limitations of the simplicity of the way we can mix audio here and providing
1:07:34application that does that it's just such an incredible shame like this is
1:07:37this is like the kind of innovative application do you expect from a great
1:07:40Mac Developer right can't be on the net gaps can't be on iOS because of the way
1:07:45it works is that you know I jacks the audio from other applications and I
1:07:49understand like it doesn't have any kernel extensions or anything but it's
1:07:52using you know it's getting into other processes and like you know grabbing
1:07:56audio from them and I feel like it's my computer I there should be security
1:08:01restrictions about that like oh do you want to hijack the application you know
1:08:05confirmed that it's done have some sort of system-level thing that prevents like
1:08:08I feel like this application could be on the Mac App Store if ever cared enough
1:08:13about the functionality provides to you know to provide sort of the gateways of
1:08:17like do you wanna give us a pack says that contacts the person said yes that
1:08:21happens I guess the contact that's the only kind of barrier I think you need
1:08:24just this kind of sad that you cannot buy the Mac App Store you have to buy
1:08:29direct
1:08:31think we're good thanks a lot for three sponsors this week harvest Backblaze and
1:08:37lynda.com and we will see you next week now the show they didn't even mean to
1:08:46begin accidental accidental John
1:08:54Casey
1:08:58because it was accidental shown to be a gene markle
1:09:41go it is not a few minutes
1:09:50a few dollars a month ago it's not like it's no we're not talking thousands like
1:09:55her already inexpensive compared to like Instapaper or Tumblr something that I
1:10:01mean like if nothing a few hundred dollars a month is not nothing I mean
1:10:05that's a car payment will be my last visit I was bending like five to seven
1:10:08thousand dollars a month so it for this one like this is a lot smaller because
1:10:12it's like you know $500 a month as opposed two thousand is it pretty good
1:10:16bang for the buck the like how long did you spend be ready and go and then the
1:10:20savings will be realized you know going forward you know it's it's a pretty you
1:10:26got a pretty good return on the investment in the time you spent to go
1:10:30and rewrite this thing yeah I mean and ultimately I'm going to spend a little
1:10:34more time on it because the current model have the couple of little problems
1:10:37but its overall it's been a huge win and I learn a new language and that is
1:10:42valuable too and and now I have have a very very good tool for certain types of
1:10:48problems in my tool belt yes I learn something new to talk about on the show
1:10:54here and there and I mean like jon said a few more dollars a month that's that's
1:11:00significant that's impressive and that's really awesome and it's it's kinda crazy
1:11:04that you just choosing to attack this problem a little bit differently
1:11:10has had what I think to be a pretty big tangible impact on your financial
1:11:16situation for overcast but that's that's awesome and who would have thought that
1:11:22ditching PHP would save you hundreds I mean on costs
1:11:29and just not even touching all of it just getting it for like this one
1:11:32like hot spot this one like major bottleneck that was a huge resource hog
1:11:36that and that that's why I like that I now have this in my in my tool belt
1:11:40because now I know like problems like this I i havent the way to attack them I
1:11:45have something else that I know well enough and I trust enough to do this
1:11:49kind of thing that's now available to me and that that will enable certain new
1:11:55things and like you know i didnt i dont wanna learn certain things like Python
1:11:58or Ruby that much because they didn't seem to provide a lot like enough of an
1:12:03advantage to make it worth me adding a complexity and having that the burden of
1:12:07having to learn that over a few weeks and be all the time into it go is
1:12:13different enough and good enough at certain things that it was worth it to
1:12:17me and the bad old marco would have spent many more months arguing with
1:12:24everyone else is that why you didn't need to rewrite the amount of time and
1:12:30energy you would have spent defending your decision not to rewrite it and go
1:12:33we would very quickly to a few minutes actually took you to rewrite it go
1:12:39know this this is what happens when a lot of money to meet on one side of an
1:12:42argument
1:12:43yeah well it's all speculative like I don't think it'll be that much faster
1:12:45maybe I can reduce the number of genes from one to two even now you're saying
1:12:49it's not that much money although I think it totally is and then you know
1:12:52all the arguments just made about having a senior till date and so on and so
1:12:55forth we could have made those arguments here but you know you have and you know
1:12:59I don't like a big deal that I would never had it so I hope you learned from
1:13:03this that like trying new things is awesome and give you money and it's
1:13:09usually taken that is like I get his work all the time I get to the
1:13:14calculation of like how much energy would be for me to argue against this
1:13:18for his house majority will take me to do it and surprising amount of time it's
1:13:22like it's more exhausting to me to think about arguing against it
1:13:26that is just do it actually less work than you like whatever its done when
1:13:31it's done the argument is over there is no argument we had and it was less
1:13:35mentally exhausting the name to try do
1:13:37you know argue about this i mean you know in my case it was really just about
1:13:41like you know i'm not i'm not gonna take a step and learn a language that is
1:13:47generally similar to PHP and what it does well and it doesn't do well because
1:13:52there's not a whole lot of upside for that
1:13:55well what will work on that will work on that one next like I know that's what
1:13:58you think but like with with go like the reason I went to it was because I I had
1:14:04this problem that I was doing that
1:14:07PHP is it is especially bad at like if it was something that PHP is kind of
1:14:11inconvenient for or not that well designed for that's less of again it's
1:14:15more like well an ideal world on different time scale doing maybe I would
1:14:19do something else but but like in most cases most of the problems I have to
1:14:25solve with web apps the other languages don't solve it better than PHP enough to
1:14:30make it worth the jump and and the hassle of having to rewrite things I
1:14:33mean this is costing me this is gonna cost me probably two months of web
1:14:37programming time because I not only had to rewrite the crawlers and debug all
1:14:41the problems that came with them but also to rewrite a lot of the supporting
1:14:44tools things like the logging infrastructure and like the things that
1:14:48allow me to to check and see you when when Vedra last crawled how often
1:14:53monitoring if there's delays if there's cue congestion in being able to force
1:14:57want to crawl immediately like there's all sorts of like little infrastructure
1:15:01supporting pieces that tie into the cooling system that I now have to modify
1:15:05or rewrite because of the different system so it's it is it is a pretty
1:15:09expensive change up front it will pay off over time but it's gonna take a lot
1:15:14of time into this why like I'm not gonna like throughout the whole rest of the
1:15:17app in Python or something because there it's just there doesn't seem to be
1:15:20enough benefit to doing that for for the amount of time work it would take if I'm
1:15:26faced with a problem that PHP does really badly like lots of parallel
1:15:31network requests now I'm not going to use it for that so that's that's where
1:15:37the benefit when you sell overcast here next product you own the parts that are
1:15:41appropriate for go you won't read PHP to begin with and it'll be go from the
1:15:45beginning in the same thing with your queue management stuff like if you ever
1:15:47ever ever across the next hurdle which is like
1:15:50third-party products for dealing with queues of things and managing the cues
1:15:53and dealing with failures and reporting and logging there there lots of
1:15:57infrastructure type tools to deal with that I know you probably don't like it
1:16:00they would rather just right things straightforwardly yourself but in a
1:16:03similar way that if you were to try to use one of those who like I have a
1:16:06simple charity work started this thing and I had this weird system where some
1:16:09of the music systems that its like again the next time you do a project if you
1:16:13had that too in your tool belt then you all say ok this part of the system under
1:16:17item PHP this morning trading go this thing I'm going to use you know this
1:16:21queue system and this whatever like to work on a third-party subjects but like
1:16:25I feel like having this is one of the things that having a crappy job forces
1:16:30you to deal with because you have either one crappy job better multiple crappy
1:16:34jobs just like regular govt jobs you work with somebody else you get the pic
1:16:39after time what you're working with what database he organized but he was logging
1:16:43infrastructure working but operating system wouldn't you know it you don't
1:16:47get the pic right by the time you work with crappy things and but eventually
1:16:50you work with a whole bunch of different things so that when you come to a new
1:16:53situation you like what I tried these five things in these 7 things in this
1:16:57room or whatever and you have you're forced to have experience with lots of
1:17:01different things and so you could have a deeper tool chest pull from where it
1:17:04could not force by some pointy haired boss to use a particular technology euro
1:17:09it's always up to you to do like the cost benefit in like I'm the only person
1:17:13here is it really worth me learning to do this on my own so much harder to
1:17:18you don't have the time to just screw around with stuff and try everything out
1:17:22and Andy survey the landscape really just have to go with what you know and
1:17:26so now you are becoming a hurdle to say I am going to screw around for a little
1:17:30while just because I think they'll be a benefit from it it's a sort of a slow
1:17:34motion version of having a series of jail be used for you for fifty different
1:17:38it's not your I also think it's kind of funny for you to see you just kind of
1:17:43wave your hand at oh it won't be any better than PHP well that's not what I
1:17:47said I said it won't be better enough to make it worth the transition costs ok
1:17:52even then I think I think that's a very bold claim for not enough ago
1:17:58necessarily because you know go but just kinda wave off I don't know Python as an
1:18:03example in just assume that it's not going to be that beneficial I think
1:18:09that's pretty bold now it doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong it just
1:18:12means it's pretty bold and I&I am proud of you and remain proud of you for for
1:18:16having explored go and I echo what john is saying that I think this is a baby
1:18:21step in the right direction for you understanding that you don't necessarily
1:18:24need to personally solve every problem under the Sun and there are more than
1:18:29one ways there's more than one way to skin a cat and that's ok
1:18:32power market is right about this thing though is like it's not even you know
1:18:35Python vs PHP is that he found the hot spot right like you reduce the number
1:18:39half doesn't matter how much better something is in PHP this was clearly the
1:18:44hot spot like he's not gonna happen again right like so that's that's just
1:18:50rude anything just working yourself especially when you were here so put
1:18:53your effort towards a thing that's gonna give you the biggest bang for your buck
1:18:56and Sophie if you have the number of services it's it's silly to expect that
1:19:00the next change will also have the number saved his attention they all have
1:19:03you no one no one thousandth of a server and you know so it like decide where the
1:19:10borrowing against an address that and then you know if if the current state of
1:19:14things is finding your work is done you don't need or like I don't think like
1:19:19for example he decided the hot spot as BHP I injured my speech with Python he
1:19:23would not have happened over a service like that the type of thing we without
1:19:25using
1:19:26kinda ballpark and are these are the same level of abstraction goes to Kluwer
1:19:31level and it's clear giving him something to PHP yeah yeah definitely
1:19:36doing watch kill lots of watching it this week I'm like it a lot
1:19:43yeah it's so limited that there's not a lot of pressure on me to make something
1:19:49amazing like that's too but like there's a lot of pressure on me to cram the
1:19:53entire app into this because you can't like it is not possible to so the limit
1:20:00limit I have are very challenging and and that way kind of interesting to me
1:20:07can you do things like an accelerometer access on the watch like if I if I shake
1:20:13my wrist still no sensors like a lot of time I listen to a podcast or something
1:20:19I hate i'm talking about the stupid little clicker like going forward and
1:20:23back of doing two clicks and three clicks which yet when you have cult
1:20:25figure is in like I don't know if I can only hold too long and ends up being the
1:20:29quick and the whole bike I know all the patterns but I just can't make my
1:20:31fingers do with the stupid Apple quicker but you just you run out of gestures
1:20:36like you can't you don't have enough there's not enough input
1:20:38funds so the time it's like I just missed last few seconds of oversight of
1:20:43pot guess I would check members to go back seven seconds and just have that be
1:20:48the one on ambiguous vigorously shaking like you know I think he can make a
1:20:52vigorous enough so you didn't have to show you wouldn't accidentally do it or
1:20:55whatever and that is much easier than me trying to triple click the stupid
1:20:58headset thing to go back and hear what if somebody said actually i I have a
1:21:03prototype class that's a pocket tap recognizer that will try to recognize if
1:21:08you tap the phone logs in your pocket just like it with your finger from the
1:21:12outside of your jeans or whatever and I got that working decently but I could
1:21:18never get it working reliably enough to actually ship it like it's it's just not
1:21:22good enough to get there isn't there's too many false responses in either in
1:21:26either direction like falsely detecting like if you could step really hard as a
1:21:30tap and missing a real tap the keg I just could not get to work properly
1:21:35and its kinda small for gestures that sort of thing like the one input you
1:21:38have is the shaker and shake to undo is silly but I'm pretty sure I've never
1:21:44actually done accidentally done it and I very frequently have a done it on
1:21:48purpose and be shaken a nap in the in the dim hope this Apple actually support
1:21:55on due Thurs shake and I'm really excited about a dozen it doesn't I just
1:21:58under said you've never kick that off accidentally never know I do it all the
1:22:03time will be holding my iPad still be in in bed on my back holding my head with
1:22:09both hands using it and then all kinda like drop it intentionally to let it
1:22:13land on my chest I can like type or something like that
1:22:16not support the weight of the iPad with my hands anymore I have an iPad 3 if I
1:22:20did it would break my ribs that's true that is an excellent points every time I
1:22:28do that deliberate drop onto my under my chest in order to you make it so that i
1:22:33dont to supported anymore then then it kicks the undue
1:22:40do you want to do the typing you just did and it drives me nuts every time but
1:22:43as a developer I know that it it makes perfect sense why that's happening and
1:22:47it's not my fault but it's kinda my fault yet for all I know I am accident
1:22:52I'm just doing it and Absa don't support on do I never I've never seen stuff
1:22:58going on my screen realizes because I jostle thing too much and I guess that i
1:23:02very frequently after accidentally performing some action just usually
1:23:06shake the device doesn't undo it lets me get revenge against my stupid phone
1:23:15as I think I'm doing a lot of what I like so I like it a lot I think it's
1:23:23important for people's expectations of what watched it absolute actually be to
1:23:29actually know how it works a little bit so so basically so you know when apple
1:23:34launches in a few months or whatever doesn't matter
1:23:37developers can only Apple can do whatever they want their third party
1:23:41developers only make watch after the watch kit so what this is is the watch
1:23:47it watch it is actually extension that runs on the phone from the main like
1:23:52parent at and it runs in the background
1:23:55whenever whenever you select like the app's icon on the watch it launches the
1:23:59walk an extension on the phone to like you know boot up giving data and control
1:24:03it and then the third party developers could never actually runs on the watch
1:24:08all third-party code is running on the phone and it's literally just like its
1:24:12reading data from the parent app on the phone is making a network calls it's
1:24:16also happening on the phone and then you send commands to the watch list update
1:24:21the screen the watch is playing through a static storyboard we've defined your
1:24:25your controls everything in the moment they have those are all staticy can't
1:24:29generate elements dynamically at runtime you can hide and show them but you can't
1:24:33generate new ones and so the phone is basically commanding the watch over
1:24:38Bluetooth how to update your interface in it so it's it's sending over commands
1:24:45like sit this label's text to the strength and all the commands its
1:24:49hilarious all the commands there right only you can't read from them so you can
1:24:55set the color of the text you can't read it back to literally just a thin layer
1:24:59on top of this convention it's like telling the watch how-to updated
1:25:03interface so that there's a number of challenges with the biggest one is the
1:25:07latency cuz Bluetooth has some lazy it in modern that's pretty small but there
1:25:12is some latency and is also just a lot of pretty limited bandwidth there and
1:25:19the watch as far as we can tell from from hinson things here and there
1:25:22the watches not gonna keep your app running for very long it look as soon as
1:25:26you start looking at it it closes the extension clothes and everything is cut
1:25:29off so there's gonna be major challenges in just getting these watch apps to to
1:25:37be dynamic and to be to be useful in to be rich because like if you like sending
1:25:41over images you know even like they are having a problem with the album art of
1:25:46like how do you how do you send over albemarle in a way that is efficient and
1:25:49you can have it cash up to 20 megs of Albemarle
1:25:54like all these little limitations little problems but overall the biggest thing
1:26:02about it is just this this lack of dynamic interface and the the latency
1:26:06involved in up doing things and everything is based around trying to
1:26:10minimize it also if you're really chatty of the protocol of the blue to keep
1:26:14their radios on a bunch of battery life on both sides so there's there's a lot
1:26:19of challenges lot of limitations here I would say for the for the first wave of
1:26:25third-party apps which i think is going to be a year roughly I would say don't
1:26:32expect a lot of dynamic interaction it is like a static menu that you're
1:26:36dealing with iraq static interface elements there's there's almost nothing
1:26:39done anything you can do
1:26:41I would not expect a whole lot from games I think some games will work on it
1:26:46things we can have very simple controls like which of these five actions do you
1:26:51want to do next Texas but that's like there's not a lot of interaction as
1:26:54reasonably possible that the system on the plus side it's really quick to
1:27:00develop for and it's really easy to get something going and it's why I think I
1:27:05think it's a smart move overall from Apple and the tools are really good
1:27:10there's a couple of bugs here and there but overall for this limited set of
1:27:14things that it doing it's pretty well suited for that so I'm extremely happy
1:27:18about it as much no I'm happy that I don't have to be forced to cram the
1:27:24whole app into it because I just can't so instead i canvassed limited subset I
1:27:29can do in a month or two and and be a have really great app out there and be
1:27:33done with it so overall I like it again set a shallow if you're if you're going
1:27:40to buy one of these things don't expect a whole lot from third party apps but
1:27:43what you have I think will be interesting and certainly will be enough
1:27:48for the first year that's good for Apple because what they want to say boy the
1:27:52Apple watches out and already there are certain very large number of third-party
1:27:58applications for it because if it's really easy for you to add like you know
1:28:02one just a trivial well all Apple I support at this point is trivial without
1:28:07native apps and stuff like that and limitations so if you make it easy for
1:28:10people to go get her iPhone app because they have watched it for it and it never
1:28:15is thinking of is there anything sensible I can show in the washington
1:28:18there's anything remotely sensible no matter how simple it is you don't feel
1:28:21too bad it's like everyone has to be something so I think this will help
1:28:23Apple have a lot of you know a lot of phone apps iOS apps that support the
1:28:30phone watch apps I was that support the watch out of the gate because that's
1:28:35what they want to say that our platform is exciting it's popular and it was
1:28:39possible to make full-fledged applications then did you just made some
1:28:42silly thing that was barely interactive you would look bad but now everyone will
1:28:46look back together
1:28:47you know comparatively good yeah I mean it's it really does serve their
1:28:52interests are very well and I think it helps us to I mean I know a lot of
1:28:58developers are probably fair frustrated with the limitations of what you a lot
1:29:01of the very long list of things you can't do things you don't have access to
1:29:04like for instance if your phone is out of range of the watch from what I've
1:29:10been told
1:29:11hardware yet but from what we've been told if your phone losses that little
1:29:16connection to the watch if you go running with it or whatever your app
1:29:20just terminates like it just ends because it can't keep you updated
1:29:24anymore it's just like you just ends so nothing can run detached from a phone
1:29:31that third-party an end to so many limitations on on the things that can't
1:29:36be kinds of things you can't do with the interface is very low and and and we do
1:29:41and we still in the simulator they have they have attempted to simulate latency
1:29:47with some of these commands but it's just artificial insertion of sleep
1:29:52command in the UI so you don't we don't really know what the latency will be
1:29:57like a normal device like you know like if I'm showing a list of of of podcast
1:30:02episodes like it in the play the screen I wanna have artwork on each one showing
1:30:05you what shoulder from at this point a man and I'm down to their really tiny
1:30:10they're looking at a couple of kilobytes but in the simulator it takes a long
1:30:15time to load that and and I don't know if that's a bug I don't know if it's
1:30:19because it's simulating latency like per request is that have by bite size or I
1:30:24don't know if that's really how how late is going to be in which case I'm gonna
1:30:27have to change that design entirely gotta think like yosemite in iTunes
1:30:31seven and just average the color of the album art pick one car out of it and
1:30:36where to that one car so I have had an honest question you may choose not to
1:30:44answer it but you've talked several times about how limited watch kids which
1:30:47makes sense
1:30:49can you give it a couple of examples of things you really wish you could do or
1:30:52have tried to do but couldn't make work with the
1:30:55current set of watch kit limitations oh sure I mean one of the biggest ones as I
1:31:01i cant do my plan to meet at all i mean the I could render it to a bunch of
1:31:06images and try to send the commands over the right set this bar of the of the EQ
1:31:11to be this high on the storyboarding you just like only three of those four
1:31:16frames the storyboard
1:31:18the old you know a lot of you guys do this where they wanted to look like
1:31:23level meters but they just have like four images to decide between randomly
1:31:27storyboards all static no no no one knows what the way for me that's how
1:31:33Apple does it when I was 7 animal watch when they have their music app that have
1:31:37little now playing
1:31:38animation bars those are fake I think the one in the QuickTime seven players
1:31:42realize it I don't know I think so but the ones the ones I S seven little three
1:31:48bar animation menu item that's totally fake and that I like seeing that is
1:31:52being annoyed it was figured maybe try to do my own that was real and it worked
1:31:56ones due to serve a purpose I'm joking about the story like something to let
1:32:02people know that audio is playing is probably a good idea if you do I guess
1:32:06it's probably much better to do with the static thing like a red light on the
1:32:10camera that shows you know cameras on or whatever but people are if you show
1:32:15anyone who looks like a level meter people know that mean something is
1:32:19playing that I can't hear it something is screwed up the music playing like you
1:32:24would think most people just look at into the possible courses play otherwise
1:32:27there wouldn't be a possible but I found my experience that people do not
1:32:30recognize that the reality is staring in the face but he showed level meter
1:32:34anywhere they know something should be playing or not hearing it's Alex program
1:32:37where I mean it's ok see you know limitations I've hit directly I mean I
1:32:43am one of the biggest ones is just not not knowing how much latency I can
1:32:48actually expect in real life when sending images over and over that but
1:32:51you know so some of the actual like hard limits are things like I can't even show
1:32:57efficiently the second remaining indicator
1:33:01because there is a built-in widget that would that you don't have to keep
1:33:05updating for counting up or down to a certain time or certain time interval
1:33:08are showing the current time so i cant like the only way for me to have it
1:33:13countdown with a second with the actual seconds remaining is to update it every
1:33:17time that number changes so at least once per second which I probably can't
1:33:21and probably shouldn't be doing so instead I have I haven't actually update
1:33:25a minutes remaining counter and whenever whenever the number of minutes remaining
1:33:30changes I sent an update over the Bluetooth and have it up to the label to
1:33:34show that and I have a have a progress bar in the current mock-up that only its
1:33:40images and it only has like a hundred and fifty increments across the screen
1:33:45and so whenever like the progress through the episode changes by enough to
1:33:49matter to be worth a couple of pixels I updated image to be the new value are
1:33:54you still doing better than windows ninety-five that's true yes that was
1:33:58just palette cycling
1:33:59segmented progress bars oh yeah and you have more than a hundred and didn't have
1:34:04a hundred right so there's like there's there's limitations like that just I
1:34:08just can't get around the biggest limitation is the width of the screen is
1:34:15just really narrow can't fit a lot on the screen and and I've managed to make
1:34:23it work I think I won't know until actually get one of these watches and
1:34:26start using it but I think I managed to make it work
1:34:28acceptably but that is the hardest challenges is to design challenge right
1:34:32there but it is also like the little details like so if you have a navigation
1:34:37stack so you have a hearing your route controller then it pushes a menu select
1:34:41an element on the table view it pushes the new one then again it pushes another
1:34:45one
1:34:46any of the ones that are below the current item in the stack that you that
1:34:50you put something on top of those stopped receiving you I updates and
1:34:55those can no longer send you updates for themselves so let's say you have at the
1:35:01base of the navigation hierarchy a list of the podcast you subscribe to then you
1:35:07push on top of that the latest you in a plane so you're in the middle of a
1:35:11podcast
1:35:13the list of pot suscribe to changes for some reason something new comes new
1:35:17download you delete one whatever the case the list changes so now the route
1:35:22controller which is not currently shown on screen it's very blue now playing the
1:35:26route controller needs to update itself if you it still memory it will recognize
1:35:31if you if you recognize that there's there's been a change but you have to
1:35:35check to see if its active and if it's not active
1:35:38you have to just in queue that and just set like a boolean flag summer saying
1:35:42this is invalidated I have now in a handy to reload it next time shown and
1:35:47the next time you have to check that flag as they open if I'm invalid below
1:35:51the data like all this stuff like this doesn't really exist and you like it on
1:35:55the on the phone like these are these problems are pleased that you can just
1:35:58can't do things you want that's fine
1:36:00the watch is really like to watch kit communication is really basic
1:36:05like it's it's right only it's very limited its all exist like sending like
1:36:10remote desktop commands over the wire busily and so there's there's really
1:36:15there's a lot of stuff to do very manually a lot of stuff you have to just
1:36:20choose not to do more to do in in very minimal are clever ways and that's kind
1:36:26of why i like it because I enjoy challenges like that like screen flicker
1:36:29that when you go back to the podcast list you know only ones that thing is
1:36:34active with it even have a chance to update you as soon as you go back to the
1:36:37screen at Ballina said you're just now within a couple of you know a fraction
1:36:41of a second it's going to update everything whereas before it could have
1:36:44been updated behind the scenes are now now you're you're putting that you I
1:36:47Flickr in people's faces which kinda crappy yeah and it sucks and I don't
1:36:51think that they can do about it
1:36:56someone needs to discover the hack of like if you just make it the currently
1:37:00active view larger than the actual screen and you know like sort of like
1:37:03CSS sprite CSS sprites for you I yeah like it's not really pushing of you I'm
1:37:09just shifting the viewport in so really this view is always active so I can
1:37:13update the podcast yet can even do that yeah I'm sure they would reject your
1:37:18appetite
1:37:19I would love to do like the force Press gesture on the watch which is
1:37:24functionally a right click it shows that menu of overlaid icons and use the Force
1:37:29to press Iran biggest country really hard on this menu comes up and that you
1:37:35can only do it
1:37:36per screen like you can't force presson say a tables a table lists item and get
1:37:42options for that item you just have to do it for like the whole screen like
1:37:46this screen has the fourth press yes the force presses on the screen but then
1:37:49north where what part of the screen your fingers touching and I can kinda see
1:37:52that because what if that gesture becomes part of the vocabulary of using
1:37:56the watch it's kind of weird to make people care about where their finger is
1:38:01on the screen you know me like that that's two different things because they
1:38:04then you had to be thinking is this one of those four espressos buried in this
1:38:07apt word doesn't matter if there is a resistance force president as a bird
1:38:11does show the president will do something exactly but I mean really like
1:38:18I was not really that excited at the thought of playing with watched it now
1:38:23I'm very excited like now that I see what I can do with not that much effort
1:38:27and how useful it would probably actually be in practice really useful in
1:38:32situations where I feel like I'm like yeah I'm walking my dog all bundled up
1:38:35in the colon McMahon I really like to have a busy little watch control right
1:38:39now this coming up on my you know this would actually be nice to have so i'm
1:38:45looking for to wait five years before we can live in the real future where we
1:38:49have a great view of your nose hair when you're out on the wall in your walk
1:38:52begins you'll have live video on your watch it's like Dick Tracy and I'll be
1:38:56able to have a judge knows this that sounds awesome the future I can't wait
1:39:02yeah cause I think it is like watching you know your your risk you know
1:39:07vibrates a little bit and you pick up the system then and there is your wife's
1:39:11tiny little face on there telling you something and she could see the future