The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► it so you want to some follow-up we can start with handwriting recognition which [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► I'm assuming is more of John's follow-up yeah I don't know why none of us thought [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► of this fairly because for all westerners the one thing we didn't talk [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► about with iPads and styluses or style I is that handwriting recognition is good [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► text input with a with a pen is good for people who don't write with fuhrman [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► characters who have tons and tons of characters Chinese Japanese span the [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► button to those with the keyboard because I had this crazy multi-level [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► keyboards but you you know that one kidnap another time another work your [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► way down to the actual character you want to combine multiple task to make [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► one thing where these people know how to draw up with you just gave him a penny [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► so you can recognize that it's actually way more convenient to trying to use a [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► keyboard so that I mean I don't know if that's harder or easier than recognizing [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► harder than recognizing you know regular room characters that we have but it's [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► definitely if you can get it to work it's definitely more convenient for the [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► person in putting the characters than hunting through some crazy keyboard yeah [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► absolutely I will say that [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► friend a friend of mine will hands he had shown me he lives in tokyo despite [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► having grown up in Australia and he has shown me the Japanese keyboard I'm sure [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► there's like a name poorly kanji or something like that that's probably [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► wrong tool but anyway he showed me the Japanese keyboard which involves your [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► drawing these little characters on the bottom of the screen very much like the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► palm was way back in the day and as someone who has never seen it before it [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► was amazing it was extremely cool and i could see how having a styles make it [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► that much better spent on the chat rooms telling us that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► very few people right with characters these days most most of the young people [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► because everything is digital just deal with the crappy and systems so it could [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► be that everyone gets over this and they forget how to write their traditional [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► characters I don't know I mean like we've been getting on the people on the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► forums have been getting along without this for a long time with these these [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► various acts of keyboards that hierarchies to them are proceeding like [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► systems for you do a series of strokes to sort of narrow down and you know [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► that's kind of like auto complete for individual characters which represented [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► tire wear their ideas so we may be are already be passed as ronald was worried [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► someone from the Far East to come on the program and tell us whether you like but [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► it's hard to say how to talk about this later when we talk about Apple's [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► earnings how things playing countries other than the United States and what [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► those markets really want and it's very difficult to tell how much of what Apple [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► does is influenced by people and cultures that we know nothing about yeah [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► absolutely I as a quick aside Marco tips car has the eye Dr handwriting [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► recognition is that correct it does yes do you use than ever I tried it I think [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► once and I and it was it was really worth it because it was it was actually [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► slower than just using the wheel around picking letters yet another character in [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► 1908 the character anyway and it recognizes it and just be cut because of [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the the leg and hearing those steps it just wasn't really any faster than using [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► the wheel so I just use the wheel now when I drove her car off I mean it's not [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► a one-to-one comparison but it was the closest that I can think of off the top [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► of my head you could possibly argue it's better for safety that you're not [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► looking at the screen as much in practice that's not true in practice it [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► is just as distracting as using the wheel and you start to look at the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► screen just as much so I just tried to enter navigation directions while in [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► moving that seems like the smartest approach yeah right so we had a very [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► interesting email from Matt Chandler and I really wanted to talk about this and [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► then I thought well maybe that's mean of me and then someone else who was not [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► mean I'm guessing is not Marco added it to the show no [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► his wife margot should look at the shadows before this question is directed [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► damn oh you picked out this one oh boy ok so from Matt Chandler I listened to [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► Marco on the talk show the episode now it's all floppy where he discussed how [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► Apple's feedback system is quote extremely hostile quote because among [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► other reasons you get no feedback a response from Apple when you file a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► radar I was surprised by this is some of my friends and I have filed bug reports [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► were overcast both your twitter twitter an email and have never received [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► feedback any feedback no formal response tweet or favourite on Twitter this [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► didn't bother me as I didn't expect a response but I wondered why Marco called [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► this behavior by Apple extremely hostile while he takes the same approach with [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► overcast es overcast smaller but it certainly received much less feedback as [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► well thanks to the great show and market thanks to the great work on a protest I [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► can answer this one of you want the reason I'm here is not because [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► necessarily about Marco had to answer but I feel like anybody answer Casey do [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► you wanna answer Marco I know can answer and I can answer it can anyone in the [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► audience not answer this I mean I'd I'll be curious to hear both of your answers [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► to me it seems pretty obvious that even in operation the size of overcast if if [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► one were to acknowledge every single bug requested report and feature requests [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that that would be a tremendous mountain of just thanks and ok and I got it and [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► do and its letters and I just I can see why Marco wouldn't want to do that but [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► mark but the difference is Marcos business isn't already feel like this [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► week argument but Marquez businesses in to make other people's bug reports his [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► job where is when when you're providing developer tools that kind of is your job [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► John what was your answer john hasn't well I think Matt Chandler knows the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► answer to yes overcast smaller you think that a little bit slower than Apple may [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► be a little bit smaller than a bond that share more we have checked Marcos [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► earnings for this year to see if their old in eighteen billion dollars in [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► profit this quarter and sank you double check I didn't quite hit that target yes [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► overcast a smaller but it certainly seems much less feedback about exactly [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it is smaller and proportionately receives I see how much smaller than [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► Apple is overcast and what proportion of this thing you know so that's one thing [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► I was recognized one person he would spend all day all this time to stand [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► apart in the second case already covered it is not a platform is not publishing [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► API is for people to write code against Turkey has no developers there is no [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► overcast Developer Program there's no Marco Arment developer program you know [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► people are not paying for a membership to a thing to be supported you're merely [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► customers sending a report now all that said that's not to say that he shouldn't [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► give responses or responses personal responses or whatever to the degree that [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► he feels like he can do sort of the dangle jacket I give you amazing [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► exceptional customer support he should by all means that is a good thing to do [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► that but on the list of priorities responding to every single bug report [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► and giving it acknowledged that it was received [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► are probably pretty low for a one-person shop that's doing all the stuff that [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► Marco is doing so i don't i don't say it like he shouldn't send responsible [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► shouldn't expect one but the explanation for why there was no response and why he [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► might say it's extremely hospital for Apple tonight send response is fairly [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► clear its hostile for Apple because Apple does not have any constraints that [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► would make it have to be such a big black hole [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► we know that mean look at a preview their hiring people to look at every [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► single these [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► Gillian apps that come in if Apple want to do this and it and it is a priority [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► to have more than enough money and resources and expertise to do this so [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that's why it's hot sale for Apple because from a political choices like [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► prioritization of something that we think should be much more important [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► doubtful that it is and we know they have the resources doin Marcus case you [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► could still be angry at him because he got exceptional support but they're [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► one-person operation because they value support more than he does but if Marco [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► shifts to to do support differently he's got to pull from someplace else so what [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► other part of marcos business do you think he should sacrifice to make sure [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► that everybody is that the bug report gets a reply [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► you know that's the user tradeoffs that he makes and you can argue whether the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► right tradeoffs whether you like that kind of company but I don't think you [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► should be confused about why Marco can call Apple extremely hostile for doing [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► the same thing he does because he's not happen they're so different than [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► different standards apply to Marco this is gonna be possible controversial not [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that I should be that surprised or anybody who knows me by surprise by me [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► producing something about to say with that there should be good wait let me go [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► make some popcorn hold that thought the the sad truth is that it is not worth [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► answering your email [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► you at you plural not like you know you this guy you everybody in general on [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► average it is not worth insuring your email let me go into why that is I don't [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► say this to be a jerk I'm saying this literally as like it just simple time [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► constraints and economics so so here's how this works this morning so usually I [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► go to the overcast feedback email in the evening or or like before bed on the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► iPad along with you a lot there because I respond to almost none of it really [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► almost none I respond two maybe three or four emails a day from that account [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► since last night when I last cleared out I've received two hundred and seven and [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► they're still three more hours today before I got a bit I expect to receive [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► may be tuned and 2,250 we'll see what happens [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► that's that's pretty pretty typical most as ever I receive between 60 and 200 I'm [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► going to mourn out there is there some stink bugs I'm trying to squash when you [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► buy my amp so i'm i'm a one-person company I blogged about how much I made [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► it was like a hundred and sixty thousand before expenses and taxes and all that [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► stuff last year so you know that's really what I make it it's like it's one [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► developers good salary it's not stunningly great it's just a good [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► developer salary for the level experience I have that's not so much [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► that would make a lot of financial sense for me to hire a support person for [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► instance like you know and and I tried I have tried outsourced support services [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► in the past I've had very mixed results with them and I question whether that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► whether that was money well spent at all [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► I could also attempt to answer more emails by using text expander to make [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► make my few like form answers and just send those to everybody and I did that [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► for the first couple of months of overcast and I question whether that's [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► better than not answering them at all because and and I should point out that [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► they had a similar conversation as a few months back [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► is is it something that you're pretty sure he is like a forum responsive [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► template response is that actually better than no response at all it is is [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► a response that is clearly insincere and I didn't put all the time into is that [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► really a good thing like it that's that's a pretty bad as well [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► the simple fact is when you get two hundred support emails a day and you're [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► one person and you know my job is not answering email my job is making the [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► product making it work for everybody and responding to emails supporting this is [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► email in general [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► responding to email is one of the least time efficient things you can do it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► really like and of course invariably why you respond you know who you responding [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► to and for what [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► but in general responding to email is is an extremely inefficient use of limited [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► time because you are taking your time to produce something that's only ever gonna [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► go to one person whereas if you like if I spent that time instead fixing the [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► bugs that everyone's complaining about them than to fix for everyone and and or [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► you know or if I can make the product better in some way for everyone that's [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► how that's way better use of that time then responding to every email [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► one-by-one saying thanks reporting looking into it or things on that to fix [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► the state's the next version of the universe is pending approval like it's [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► so it's such a better use of time in an ideal world you have time to do both I [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► recognize that but this is not an ideal world this is reality and reality when [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► you're when you have an app that is free up front and at the most you can ever [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► hope to make from somebody is $3.50 before tax it's really hard to justify [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► spending a ton of time [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► on answering individual emails and I knew that going into it and you [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► therefore Instapaper so the entire app is designed in such a way that it sets [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► expectations accordingly you'll notice in the app nowhere does it say support [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► it only says feedback and on the feedback link first before lets you [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► email it it shows you a page with an FAQ and known bugs and what's being fixed in [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► this version with it so to speak to try to address what you're about to tell me [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► so maybe don't tell me maybe you can help yourself maybe you can save [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► yourself the time sending that email certainly is the time to read it or [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► insert and its and it says right there I will read every email which by the way [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► even that takes a lot more tonight that I would have expected when I wrote that [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► I read every email and I sailor every man but I also say I just one person [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► with limited time and so I cannot guarantee response and the results that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► is I respond to most of them it because I literally don't have the time I would [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► so much rather spend that time fixing the bugs and making the appt better for [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► everyone then responding to one person and I know that sounds corny I know that [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► sounds harsh but that's the reality that's like what you're paying so little [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► for apps that's kind of part of it that kinda had what you have to expect from [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► that like that's all involved in this and so the reason I don't answer my [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► email most of the time is because it's not because I'm a jerk as at least in my [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► opinion and you can make your own evaluation of that it's not because I'm [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► trying to be a jerk it's because it is really I decided it really is just an [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► incredibly bad use of time and I know it's not going to please everybody but I [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► think it will please the most people overall for me to be doing things that [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► make you a better for everyone [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► rather than spending three hours a day answering him oh I don't remember if [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► I've ever told the story publicly but I feel like I have I have a couple of [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► thoughts first I remember vividly that I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► when we you and I kind of got reacquainted so to speak as we were old [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► friends kinda fell out of touch not an angry way just fell out of touch and [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► then we were starting to get back in touch and I would send emails to [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► periodically and this was when number was really starting to take off and [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► Marco Arment was starting to become like a thing more than it was just a person [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► and I would send you emails Marco and I would never get a reply or I would get a [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► reply [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► really really late I remember one time and I were on our way to New York when [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► this was when you ended up visiting you at we were on our way to New York to [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► visit and I think I tweeted about it or something like that and you were like [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► wait you're on your way to New York and I said yes I emailed you about that like [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► two months ago you said you did God didn't annoy me so much at the time but [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► then fast forward a few years and suddenly I'm on a podcast and weekend [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► email oh did we get email in fact we even got an email about how we tell [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► people not to send us email which actually made some really good points [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► but I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of it but anyway in so I don't [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► know how to explain it other than however email however much email that [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► you the listener gets there's a decent chance that those of us on the show [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► get more than that and marco gets more than that still and the other thought I [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► had is how many shows across how many podcasts have talked about how email is [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► such a problem there was that wonderful episode of hello internet I think Mike [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and I have talked about this on analog God knows that Merlin has talked about [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► this constantly and and for good reason [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► the reason everyone complains and moans about email is because email is kind of [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► an inherently selfish thing that nobody really deliberately signs up for it it [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► just kind of happens to them and and so how you deal with that you know you do [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► the best you can and that's when Marcos doing yeah that's that's really it like [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► again I'm not trying to be a jerk by not responding to most of the email I get [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► it's like it's almost like a defense mechanism I have to defend the night [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► time attention because if I did respond all that email all these bug fixes and [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► improvements and things I'm making would all take longer to come out and I [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► wouldn't be able to do as much you could spend their entire day just an email [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► because remember that email once you respond now you're engaging with that [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► person and Mike from that person's perspective assist them and you want [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► from your perspective you're holding now 200 simultaneous conversations [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► maintaining state in each of those conversations remember who that person [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► is a mother said previously imagined you know you gonna do 200 emails support [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► emails today if you responded all two hundred 200 send a response back then [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► the tomorrow starting you know two hundred and you start responding to the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► like you will spend 100% of your time conversing over email for a with people [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► who have problems with your $5 application right and you were just one [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► person and chat rooms I'm describing a CRM says yes when you have a staff of [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► people you can do that but for a small business there's one person doing all [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the work if that one person said I really need to support my customers [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► that's all that one person would ever do they were never fix a bug never write a [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► new version for program never create a program never do anything else never do [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► a podcast never have any sort of extracurricular activities they were [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► just spend all their waking hours conversing with individuals over email [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► about the problems they're having with their application and never have any [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► time to investigate and so it may be to say well you should expand your company [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► should have one person company or whatever but like the Georgian this [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► question is about hypocrisy of how can you say so angry about Apple doing [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► something that you yourself do different context that the conditions are entirely [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► different therefore the conclusions are absolutely and and the input that the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► email gives me is very valuable like the by by the emails alone the emails can [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► help me decide if I have a few big feature that I wanna do next [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► the emails decide what comes first [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► and decide things like for example I've mentioned it a couple times my big [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► feature plan over this winter was to do streaming and I started screaming a [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► little bit last fall and I haven't worked on it since for two reasons [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► number one is that they're just keeps the keeping other things that keep [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► coming up [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► bug fixes sync issues watch get the fight that but the number two is that by [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► reading the email and by reading all the tweets which is even more even more big [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► stuff coming in that way I can see very clearly that streaming is not what I [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► should be doing next what I need to be doing next [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► which is what I am doing next is auto delete control there right now the actor [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► that's how I listened and I don't care like once I'm done with it and everyone [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► here again like that's it I'm done and I thought that's how the app could always [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► work to keep things very simple with like the different states an episode can [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► be in and things like that a lot of things very simple that is by far and [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► away the number one request the number one complaint and the number one reason [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► people choose not to use my app is I don't have that control the finer [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► control over over whether something get deleted or not and when it gets deleted [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► by far that's way more important than streaming based on what people are [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► telling me what they've been telling you for months and so you know I wouldn't [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► have known that had it not been for the email at the same time I get I would say [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► literally 40 emails a day about the head for a while and all them it took hours [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it takes longer just to read them even that like and I said I read all my email [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► I'm not necessarily sure that will be the case you see a future in which I say [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► I can't even keep up with the reading at all anymore but even that like reading [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► it takes probably probably order of magnitude less time than responding to [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► it and even that's hard to keep up with that's how much you talking about [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that's something that's a little more positive than how much he held the Hawks [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► you have any ideas Marco well it's not email it is where space Squarespace the [TS]

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00:21:26 ◼   ► enter offer code ATP at checkout now they emailed me something earlier today [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► this is kind of cool so I guess that's coming up pretty soon [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► that's correct me out so that's that's football right now it's also sunday a [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► day of winter there right now so so you know Jeff Bridges the dude he has [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► partnered with Squarespace to bring his project to life it is dreaming dreaming [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► with Jeff dot com that's dreaming with Jeff dot com this is an actual project [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► is not just like a PR stunt is an actual project created by Jeff Bridges with his [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► friends in various locations in LA he created an album of unique and relaxing [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► sounds guided meditations and stories designed to low you to sleep this [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► includes tracks such as a glass of water [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► IKEA and Home I don't get why I love you have to listen you can listen to the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► tracks on the website go listen just yeah it's I've heard the click on any [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► way you can listen to it for free on the site dreaming with Jeff dot com if you [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► wanna down to have a pay what you like Jimmy system in place [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► this is all based on Squarespace you can do all this spare space the publishing [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► of the site to listening the buying this is all Squarespace you can bid on his [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► box sets like a limited edition box set to take it to pay what you want to [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► download thing he Jeff Bridges is the face of no Kid Hungry this is a charity [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► group that the main mission of it is that no child goes to bed hungry in [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► america all proceeds from this album will go to no Kid Hungry this wonderful [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► charity so really this is not a joke this is not a PR stunt this is really [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► Jeff Bridges work with Squarespace to make this happen [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► dreaming with Jeff dot com check it out and you can watch the Super Bowl on 21 I [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► assume it's the sunday I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► have to tell anybody beside myself what they tell me I didn't know it sunday was [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► his anyway so they working Squarespace too I guess he's gonna be involved in [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► their Super Bowl commercial like they're doing this report commercial again this [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► year for the first time last year so Jeff Bridges gonna be in the Squarespace [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► Super Bowl commercial all worked in with this streaming with Jeff dot com project [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► so check it out [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► watch the Super Bowl you can add to tell people to see the full commercial space [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► with Jeff Bridges anyway check out Squarespace there it's the best way to [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► build a website at a much better so much in the past we'll talk about it more in [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► the future they have all these new features to Squarespace 7 this whole new [TS]

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00:24:26 ◼   ► thank you very much Squarespace start here go anywhere but you look at the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► songs she know you should I looked at my phone on the mobile side a little tape [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► player thing and little music players embedded in and they are absolutely [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► crazy good crazy it reminded me of something that John Roderick would make [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► because you know they both have the same similar kind of boys to belittle beardy [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and how does how does one sound basis up there there's a song called [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► just because he talks over though in this music I listen to them and tell me [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► if you don't picture anyway its opportunity you should go do it spends [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the money well so we had another piece of feedback from Alberto and John would [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► you like to talk about this this is a question we get lots of questions in the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► same vein most of the questions are like I'm just starting out in field acts and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► you people have some experience GLX how do I get started so on and so forth this [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► is a little bit of indirectly related to some Albertos he says listen to episode [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► 101 about how Marco just quote when 10 learned unquote a new computer language [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► and he was wondering how you go about learning something so complex so complex [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► by yourself in a short time to just sit there was a text book and start reading [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the open up appalling try and see what's what he wants to expand his very simple [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► programming skills in any tips you will give will help this whole vein of [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► feedback where people want advice on how to get better at them something they [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► think we know how to do better than they currently know how is always very [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► difficult people always ask me recommendations of things to do our [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► books to read and I wish I had to go to answer them but I don't but for this [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► specific answer Marco answered I think there is an exploration of how marco was [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► able to pick up go in such a short period of time where can i interject [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► before that happens we get this notice I didn't wait for your answer we get to [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► his question constantly we get this question how what should I look I want [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► to learn to program where should I start or alternatively I'm about to start iOS [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► development should I learned swifter Objective C and we get this question so [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► darn often that I actually wrote a very short blog post about it and it's only a [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► couple paragraphs will put it in the show notes but suffice it to say I think [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► the key phrase that blog post which conveniently is in bold is find a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► problem to solve and then solve it using the most appropriate tools and that's [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► really all comes down to as far as I'm concerned and I think the market is [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► about to tell you that that's kind of the path that he followed when learning [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► yeah that's that's pretty much it so I mean first of all if you only know one [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► language and if you're new to programming or if you don't know any [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► programming languages yet this sounds like a bigger deal than it really is [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► once you know a lot like when when you've been programming for long enough [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you start realizing specially if you're exposed to other languages you start [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► realizing that there there are a lot more similar than you think there's a [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► lot of overlap usually that the differences are really relatively minor [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and come down to like minor syntax details and then the available [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► libraries were built in the language of the devil for it so the names of things [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► you're calling might be different the symbols that you're using for certain [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► things might be different but you're kinda doing the same kinds of things are [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► at least a lot of overlap of the concepts carry-over and so learning a [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► new language really is it's it's it's nothing like winning a human language I [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► mean I know they have similar concepts to but there's a lot there's a much [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► higher learning curve for like human spoken languages there more keywords [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► yeah they're a lot more complex like going between programming languages is a [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► lot simpler than it sounds [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► if you if you're on a programmer or if you're new at it you know it sounds like [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► a lot but it's really not and then and yet the way I learned a ton of everyone [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► does this by the way I learned is basically I have a problem that they [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► need to solve in a language that then I that I that both the language as well [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► suited for and that I'm very motivated to do so you know when the App Store [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► came out just to see and I learned that the frameworks around cocoa and and you [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► like it because I really want to make the Instapaper iOS app and that's that [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► was going to do it so I did it and I guess about the room and what that looks [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► like something would go like I I figured out I had his problems and you mean [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► before I tried no I didn't know the exact same keep his place just a little [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► bit more new JavaScript somewhat but I had this problem that that my existing [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► tool kit was not very well suited to solve and I knew that many other [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► languages would've been WAY better at it as we discussed in the show I'd heard [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► good things about these why I picked them and I just started plowing through [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► so go go has a pretty good online tutorial bolanger org [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► a programming tutorial and actually the problem that I was solving of like [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► basically being being a feed crawler one of their examples on their site is a web [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► crawler that's so it acts and so my my designer that it is actually based on [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► its not very long it was pretty to base on but a lot of a lot of the concepts of [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► like how do I make it like you know print status every second to the log [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► file and stuff like that I know how do I track what it's doing it like imagine [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► the concurrency aspect and all that stuff that all came from that example [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► for you know I built on that I made up my own but honestly in general the way [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► to start a new language if we said before is really just have a project [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► that you're motivated to do it you know if you if you if you just say I want to [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► make an iPhone app just in general and you don't really know what you don't [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► have a specific in mind you wanna make it happen because you heard making it [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► makes money thing that's going to be hard to get into it it's much easier if [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► you have a specific idea of something that you really want to see something [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► that you really want to make that's way easier to start with that because then [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► you're motivated to basically just start just plow through it that relate and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► Nash that's exactly how I do it I didn't read a book I just plant there now you [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► know when I used to a language I used to read books like when I was in high [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► school and college now there's so many great resources on the Internet [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► there's a there's tutorials online there's no there's there's places like [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► her second sponsor lynda.com which I'll get to in a sec it because there's also [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► some online documentation there's there's walkers and there's a so much [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► available online that stack overflow has been amazingly helpful in this regard [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► there's just so much about online now that you can just can't start just like [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► start plowing through early start with a tutorial and just start building it into [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► what you wanted to be and that's and you'll you'll pick up a lot along that [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► path like you learn as you go [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► you can do it or you can read a book I've never found it very helpful but a [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► lot of people do it just learned but in general the way to learn is to just [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► start plowing through the only a lad is that the specific question of how we go [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► about learning something so complex in short amount of time both of us have [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► been programming for a living for a long time now and that the way we do it in [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► such a short time is as Marco said we recognize the similarities between [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► programming languages and so we have a leg up on someone who's like programming [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► what's that you know we don't have to relearn the concepts of you know what's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► a variable what the loop the conditional like stuff like that we don't have to [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► relearn anything about it functions or you know now that we all know something [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► like blocks or whatever the closures and we don't have to relearn those concepts [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► just how are those concepts implemented in this particular language if you're [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► starting from zero you will have to you will somehow have to learn these basic [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► concepts right but your second language will be able to learn quicker than your [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► first and third language we have ever learn even quicker so that's how they [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► not like a technique of how do we go about learning something complex it's [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► because we are no a bunch of similar things so it's very fast right to pick [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► up something but Casey will talk about it like alright well assume you could [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► pick up the language it's still not gonna stick on our brains of this we use [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► it to actually solve a problem because it'll just be like I mean I don't know [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► about you but I like I can read entire book on a language which I've done in [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the past but if I don't use it to write a program of any significance that just [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► leaves my brain and it's like yeah I can recognize it when I see it and he remind [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► me I'll be like oh yeah but it doesn't stick unless you use it so you know [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► what's the trick the trick is to be a programmer for ten to twenty years first [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► thing you'll be able to pick up new languages fairly quickly unless it's [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► really weird language and you don't know the concepts like we tried to learn [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► something like I probably don't know a lot of the concepts that are involved in [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► Haskell so my first job there would be like I can't just pick up because I have [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► no analog scientific concepts that are not in a language that I know are in [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► Haskell early or something and then when they get a concept then becomes yet [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► entirely true and and kinda billion what you were saying oh reads say and as [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► hipster and as of late and as hipsters been entirely in swift and I've barely [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► written any swift in my life but I can still read it reasonably well because I [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► can pick out bits and pieces that remind me of other languages in kind of what [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► what this stuff is doing so I can look at it I can look at it and say oh that [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► looks like JavaScript that's probably what they're doing there are 0 that [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► looks a lot like C sharp I know exactly what's going on here in of course that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► looks like Objective C [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► well I know what that means and so you can take this really nice and broad [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► foundation especially as you get more and more experienced and apply that to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► all these other things and you can do it quicker and quicker with time what else [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► the school these days Marco they mention a minute to go if you're looking to [TS]

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00:37:25 ◼   ► once again so Apple made a little bit of money last quarter I i'm shocked I know [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► I thought they were on the ropes I thought that Apple was doomed but [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► seemingly not yes Apple made a metric ton of money is I believe the official [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► measurement that I have been quoted I I don't even know [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► what to say about this it's a tremendous amount of money and in Apple is doing [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► really really well and I don't know what to make of it its even as someone who is [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► very near to the Apple ecosystem as we talked about very recently in fact it's [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► odd for me to see Apple doing this well like what what's not going well [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► financially for them these days anything i mean even even a a tiny part of [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► Apple's business like the iPod business for instance even that is doing [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► amazingly relative to many other companies had heard the people mentioned [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► the amount of money they lost due to currency fluctuations this quarter was [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► like Google's and higher quarterly profit that like they just making any [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► money I mean honestly I don't think it's that interesting from the money [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► perspective I think what's what's more interesting and even even then only [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► mildly what's more interesting is looking at the trends of like how well [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► things like the iPhones and iPads are selling how do what what is the growth [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► curve look like you are they are accelerating and I think what we're [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► seeing right now we're seeing that the iPhone 66 + for just massive hits and I [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► think we all kind of knew that already but its to see it to see it like you [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► know officially recorded in you know in the totals here is really something to [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► see you like they have made and they have made very strong inroads into other [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► markets Asia and the NL to into the Android Market with the iPhone six and [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► six plus I think its financial stories are mostly interesting in the way they [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► sort of [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► highlight Apple's impotence not that that's the main story the main story we [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► hear the main stories like to make a lot of money than everyone you know chatter [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and it makes a lot of the stock and all this thought they were going to sell [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► things that make me look at the trends our the max 2012 unlike I think I've [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► seen all those stories and there have been some good ones about that but when [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► I always think about when two things one company's unhappily any company has [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► these big earning one as the old cat mofo that success Heights problems and [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► so when you see massive success you think boy that much success can hide a [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► hell of a problem if you can have just dinosaur size problems eighteen billion [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► dollars like what kind of problem could eighteen billion dollars not high right [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► and so that's what I think about it the second thing is the frustration of it's [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► kind of like in the same city of those sort of like simulation games with an [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► economy where eventually you break the game and you essentially have unlimited [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► funds right and yet there are things even with unlimited funds there are [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► things you can't do because the analogy breaks down but I think with all this [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► money is all this money is not enough for them to buy their way to you know [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► whatever you want a pic to do network services as well as Google or Facebook [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► to be able to hire and retain the world's best talent bike there there are [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► some money problems that throwing money out of them just will not solve right [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and that must be frustrating this is like how do you get how do you get these [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► things that we need to get what do we need the most companies like all the [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► only had more money but in a place like know we have all the money in the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► freaking world why can we not turn this money into insert thing that Apple feels [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that is lacking in from the outside but there are many things that we feel our [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► balls licking and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► on the inside about the main thing I think they're lacking is how can we get [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► people get really good employees because we all know what it's like Apple and any [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► large organization everyone can be in charge at Apple [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► some people have more of a say what the company does another its hierarchy every [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► you know Corporation is a hierarchy and so how can you get all of the world's [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► best people you could only get all the world's best people who want to work for [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► a company and only a certain number of those can never rise to position apple [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► with a charger anything it really smart people want to be in charge of something [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► because they raised more people so that's what people come to Apple get [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► experience and start their own companies do their own thing that maybe they come [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► back like it's frustrating to to see Townley viewing go to other companies [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► are going to start that's kind of the nature of the business and so that's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► what makes you think about all these giant mountain of money as if I was at a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► place like how do we transform this money into improvements in our products [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► and services and we all we do in the show's talk about all the areas where [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► Apple's week and I think of every one of those areas and almost all those areas [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► money may may you know to be necessary but is clearly not sufficient because it [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► was money they would be great at everything because they have block [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► orders before they just a massive amount of money in the bank they have a massive [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► amount of money like they could you know it's like just pay all your employees [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► five million dollars a year [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► done and then all your place they retire on the five million dollars well we [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► destroy the company with money that was really bad guys actually becoming [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► Brewster's Millions a reference that neither one of you get because you [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► weren't born but the movie no means understand the problem that Apple has [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► yes Apple is Richard Pryor in this analogy [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► prior to see now I actually want to watch this guy I think you're a mean [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► there's there's just a lot of problems that money either can't solve or makes [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► worse or isn't sufficient enough to solve and and most I mean I would say [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► looking looking at what we identified apple's problems from the outside and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► then assuming that there are at least partially true it seems like apples two [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► biggest problems are getting a retaining good talent number one and number two [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► just like organizational inertia of likes the way things are set up the way [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► like you know departments are structured the way the incentives are like I [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► honestly I think anyone interested in in the quality problems or perception of [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► them whether you think they're really not i mean you should listen to this [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► week's episode of debug which is needed and on my part 3 and they talk about [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► this I talked about like these accusations of quality issues and it was [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► interesting to hear i mean partially I I think they were actually especially need [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► not sure I think they were actually quite defensive but it's it was little I [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► had mixed emotions listening to it but it gives a lot of insight into the way [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► things are done at Apple and and they don't work there anymore but they were [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► there fairly recently and they were there for some fairly recent releases [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► and the way things are done it sounds a lot like all the high priority bugs tend [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► to get fixed but there's not a lot of time left for the less high-priority [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► bugs but every company works like I haven't listened yet it seemed like you [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► but like they probably defensive figures like what they're not saying whether [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► they realize it or not is you know it's like man to get anything done time to [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► companies do X Y and Z and when you're telling me that I should be doing this [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► is like well but you can't because like Apple the structure of Apple becomes the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► sixth thing and it's like to get anything done within the structure you [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► have to do this maybe that means within a structure the only thing you can do is [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► get the high priority boxes because then you can get someone higher up to pay [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► attention to you and you can make a priority for Team you can get it done [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you can't work within the system so really what they're angry about when [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► they're being defensive is they're angry the system into which their place and [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► then they're put into the system and told now get things done and they would [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► like to do what they think is the right thing but within the system you have to [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► work the system and who gets to change the system is to get back to you know [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► who is in charge are the people in charge the best people to be in charge [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► you can't have a company where people move up the ranks over many years and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► then realize this bike has no idea what he's doing get him out of there bring [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► someone like people don't like it when you hire new people in above them they [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► don't like but they bring in new people that say all the current people there [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► don't know what they're doing [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► change like that takes time because egos get bruised and people have to be kicked [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► out of the company in like and if it's too much churn seems like a volatile [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► place and it's not like all the problems of any human doing anything in a group [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► are magnified in a corporate setting and that is the main sickness of all [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► corporations and I would say Apple has done better than any other company to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► fight against the sort of corporate malaise to actually produce good [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► products and they were rewarded with the big buckets of money but even those [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► buckets of money can't cure all the sicknesses when the organization and no [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► amount of money can make it so that people who want to be chief sunday wanna [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► be your indians so you never gonna have all the best people they're always going [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► to leave and do their own thing there are always going to be wrestle to do [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► you know I still say it like that the most practical thing that I would do [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► with the money is address its shortcomings that can that the money has [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the most effect on for example prioritizing network services and [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► infrastructure you can throw money at that if if people learn that Apple is [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► going to spend three hundred billion dollars trying to catch up to 20 Google [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► and Amazon and Facebook and network infrastructure data center expertise [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► a lot of people who have network infrastructure data center expertise but [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► go work for Apple the right now those people don't want to travel because the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► idea that Apple is a place where those things are not prioritizing all the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► glory people are working on you like it or never and I mean that's like it seems [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► like they're the two biggest problems in that area like what frustrates people [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► who were there are the way the system is set up and the the the stress of working [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► within that and like the deadlines like what you have in mind working on what [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► you don't want to work on like from what I've heard from so many people in and [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► out of Apple that that those are the two biggest problems it's like you know you [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► might be like a lot of people they're very happy doing what they're doing but [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there's a lot of people there who can't get the time or the staff to fix the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► problem they want to fix and in a lot of people there who are you know fighting [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► the good fight and working on things that need to be worked on but they don't [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► get the support from above or the resources from above its kind of the [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► same problem like it is not a higher priority for the company or its kind of [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► stuck in this weird division somewhere maybe should be somewhere else or you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► know there's some like some roadblock in the middle of the hierarchy and it's [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► making it hard for them or something like that there's there's an [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► organizational challenges in Europe every company is gonna have problems [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► like this that doesn't make them non problems and and really I mean like I i [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► think i listened to debug it is it is encapsulated so well and even like when [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► when roger was was attempting to argue against this point he was proving this [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► point unknowingly because he liked what he saw his point of view is that he [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► thinks this is like [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► it's like a formulaic 681 Piper high-priority the P 16 p1 bugs and then [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► we'll forget about this and then they proceeded to talk about how the p2 bugs [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► hardly ever had everybody wants to work on the p2 bugs for the hardly ever [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► allowed to because of the release cycle leading so little time and everything [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► just about like is a high priority high priority we can't afford to work on it [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► right now and so what are so I'm not feeling well when i send feeling a lack [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► of quality here I'm not feeling 61 bugs I'm feeling 6,000 p2 bugs have [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► accumulated over the last five years and are being dicks yeah I agree to say that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the like this has had problems things that the reason you can't get [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► prioritization Boston AP 20 whatever the reason you think like there you know [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► that's not a party is a party is because if you were to ever be able to make your [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► case you would say is we need to do this because of you that all the reasons they [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► would say well I don't think we do this because XYZ and you have this argument [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► it eventually would you come down to as you move your way up the ladder is like [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► well obviously my my priorities as the boss are the correct ones because look [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► as successful as Apple's been in the higher you go up in the company of the [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► more the person can say well I understand the people below me might [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► believe XYZ should be done but I believe it should be Q [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► history has shown that I've been pretty right because Apple's been doing pretty [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► well and like it's the sort of that's the ultimate success hides problem thing [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► is that when you get into an argument about what people should be doing that [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► you need more staff to test this and everybody can't be in charge again for [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the millionth time that people who are in charge and the people who are in [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► charge [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► always have that they're back Apple's must accompany the world we make the [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► best products we have under percent customer center but he loves to make a [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► billion dollars everybody's buying iPhones like they always had it sitting [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► right behind them and so no matter what are you make based on a reason in the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► end and Indian leaders may be the most successful company in the world do you [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► think the priorities I'm setting as as your boss or your boss's boss or your [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► bosses bosses boss arrest and cook those parties the wrong priorities in what way [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► are they wrong [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► look how successful we are what criteria should we be judging ourselves on picket [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► criteria pick a metric we are the best and you're saying oh that's not good [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► enough because you can get people to bugs right that's that's excited [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► problems that's what you run up against and if you're one of the lower down [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► people and you can't commit the uppers it's like you do you agree that they [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► kind of have a point and you become a company man who argue that doesn't have [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► reliability problems a podcast or you leave the company and say well these [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► people never gonna listen to me and whether they're right or not this is not [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► the environment I wanna be in you leave you know speaking of podcasts that we [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► haven't listened to yet at least I haven't friend of the show Ben Thompson [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► was on the talk show this week and one of the things that I noticed in the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► notes was them talking about Apple employees have gone on sabbatical and [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► then come back and and I know that both you guys to mention that a minute ago [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► and then with regard to the PTU bugs marco was talking about I know I brought [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► this up a couple episodes ago but the end he meant to shock interview on [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► objective CIO he talks about that in indirectly but just talks about how the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► incredible pace and the priority of just getting new hardware and other super [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► important things done [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► prevents prevents them from working on the not as showy issues or major changes [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► over time right right so both homework assignments if you're bored [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► anything else on earnings other than that I want the bank account numbers for [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► the hundred and seventy or whatever is billion dollars haven't heard the the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► call yet but I read in many places that they give a breakdown of six vs six plus [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► but they merely just said the six sold their their sex plus you guys read that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► as well yeah that's that's what they said that that the six was the top [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► seller in the line but they didn't say you know what the ratio was and they [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► don't usually bring on the racially so I don't think we ever get good info on [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► that I'm mostly interested in some of the don't say is that it's a pretty much [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► anywhere they do say what what value is there or what would motivate them to [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► tell us that the 60 more than the six bus right I don't know I mean it doesn't [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► I can't I can't even think of like a cynical like making out here [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► competitors like maybe they just don't know I don't understand why they would [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► say that I think about why did you tell me that like I assumed it I i assumed to [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► be for the phones were really sick result in this expose your not tell me [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► how much better so just give me any actual information oh then like six sold [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► more than six months but why you telling me this now it's funny I actually asked [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► on Twitter why wouldn't they say that because I I was having a a dunce moment [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and it was like well why not you cares we're all friends right and immediately [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► I got a thousand replies very gently telling me I'm an idiot a lot of the [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► responses were well don't give your competitors anything in and that that [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► makes sense and and and there was one or two others that were really good but it [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► basically boils down to what you're saying John you know why why share that [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► information what good does Apple what what benefits as Apple gained from [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► sharing it [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► yeah I mean I guess I have a break then things that it doesn't have to all the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► time but like product mix is one that Apple is almost never broken and I've [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► always assumed as lots of reasons like you said that I always assume the reason [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► they don't break it down is because [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► they don't want to tell their competitors sort of like this is this is [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► a mix of demand for these products so if you're going to make a line of phones [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► this is roughly how many big ones this size and how many small in size you want [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► to have right exactly like they just [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► that's that's not the reason that's a reason reason I was thinking they're [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► actually probably even better reasons why I mean some of their answer her [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► question you have to ask questions all the time says no we're not going to tell [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► you that is doing all the time why why decide to say that the six is not even [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► in their name bragging about its not like I think that you're bragging [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► they're not countering this story I don't think is their story out there [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► that I don't i cant i cant figure it out but you know maybe they just you know [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► they decided to throw the press a bone and tell them this begin with another [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► bullet point for story but I don't think it put that on a particularly good or [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► bad light anyway I have listened to the call yet to see what it was really like [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► alright so there's been a little bit of rumblings lately which I was not aware [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► of until somebody else pointed it out and in this case West start from [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► Australia he or she said it might be worth revisiting the new photo app for [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► Mac I remember you guys were pretty excited about it I have a daily Google [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► Alert for all news about it it seems Apple have been removing references to [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► it from their website that doesn't instill a lot of confidence [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► digested I mean that's probably not a good sign in it also was funny to me [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► semi related that somebody Press Tim Cook on whether or not on the earnings [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► call whether or not the Apple watches really going to be released early in [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► 2015 because it's apparently coming out in April and him said from what I gather [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► well the way we think of it is the first third of the years early the middle [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► third is just the middle third and the last 30 days late and so sure why not [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► it's still early right we're all friends and I don't know just struck me as funny [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► so are you guys concerned about the fact that that photos apparently may not be [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► the photo app may not be a thing anymore [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► well it seems like you know reading the tea leaves here and here in a few [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► rumblings here in there I think the answer is not that the Photos app is [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► cancelled or just late you know it was I believe didn't they say about the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► initial release date was like last fall but I think somebody else correct me [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► recently and said it was also really 2015 it was always next year or so I [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► think it was always to be 2015 sometime ok so you know if if that means by the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► end of April 2015 and they're certainly removing all these references to it I [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► mean I it really does sound like based on you know a few things here and there [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► is it from what I can tell it's just too late it's not lead there it's not it's [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► not canceled and like i was wonder these stories of the sort of you know implied [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► like the net dot dot dot [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► those stories like will never say this means Apple is canceling it because the [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► quick like that's the implication but they'd only want to imply they don't [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► want to say it right and even speculate about it because my question would be [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► alright if you're saying this because you think the photos after the neck is [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► cancelled is it really a thing that you think would happen that Apple would [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► cancel both iPhoto and aperture and aperture and there was no photo [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► management I mean I suppose that could be a thing like by all means make that [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► argument tell me why Apple does not want to be in the business of making you know [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► first party photo management applications for your Mac anymore I [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► would love to hear that argument but they will never make that argument they [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► would just say that it's being pulled from the site and let you just worry [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► about something so in the absence of someone making a compelling argument [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► that Apple no longer wants to make photo apps which I bet you know if I had to [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► make that are in my way I would say history has shown over the past several [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► years Apple not great at making fun of management apps available didn't make [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► any given away for free that would open up the market to third parties [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► but then they'd start parties have to work with the authorities in the cloud [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► and about 11 EPF that bob loved anyway I'm not saying it's totally ridiculous [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► it could happen right I don't see anyone making that argument that is just like [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► what software is late right what else is new [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► me take care of that site just because it's kind of embarrassing to have it up [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► there for a long time and not have it available and maybe you know the website [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► too soon [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► your screenshots of something that doesn't exist [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► people can't get enticing them something like still selling a picture when it's [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► canceled but that's not a good movie there and so this just seems like a [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► correction if the stars that the next year I don't care just make it freakin [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► work that's the thing I mean it's [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► gets photos on your Mac that such an important thing like that's that's not [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► something you can like mess with like I wouldn't if if it was a beta I wouldn't [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► install it and even install the final version but seriously they just 22 the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► truck like I barely trust I photo of my photos and like this new system whatever [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► it is I'm going to run in parallel with iPhoto for a long time before I trust ya [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► I mean like whether I use it immediately and whether I like can trust with [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► everything immediately will entirely depend on whether I can read its [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► directory structure if I can read it back out and I can back it up with Time [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► Machine LSW talked about months ago announced this I'll be comfortable using [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► it if it doesn't have all those things it's gonna be a tough sell [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► anyway we didn't actually get a bunch of this week so instead I decided to kind [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► of throw this one to two conferences that are run by our friends and our [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► really nice both happening in marks both happening hopefully I consulted CGP grey [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► video it is ireland you i think [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► the bottom half is anyway that's the bottom and video yeah me too [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► yes so anyway you're gonna get so much email to review the two largest islands [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► in the British Isles are Ireland and Great Britain Ireland has a two [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► countries the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland while Great Britain [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► mostly contains three England Scotland and Wales these last three when combined [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► with northern ireland form the United Kingdom anyway [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► Ennis Conference NFC conference dot com is an awesome conference that is in [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► light Chester I think it's Leister [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► like the boss and I'll you just kind of in the middle of get some help from the [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► other was a good video of Americans pronouncing bridge place names should [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► find its place esther lester like a creepy dude lester yes my bed here lies [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► I was so smug I thought I really nailed it but I was anywhere is that march 16th [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► 18th and as conference dot com in Leicester UK speakers include some of my [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► friends I just launched our dinner jacket pocket fosler sabino Jamie [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► Newberry and a bunch more people who are not quite as well but it's a very very [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► good list and I'll be speaking there as well I tend to speak at about one [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► conference per year and wanted this one for a while and the schedule you've [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► never worked out until this year and I'm very happy to finally work this out so [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► check out as conference dot com also I apologize to casey Cumz he wants to go [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► and probably won't go because baby stuff is hard and so so anyway it's you lol . [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► I E [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► this is March 30th and 31st in Killarney Ireland speakers include lots of people [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► we know Jesus no guy English Dalrymple Georgia whiskas Trinity rene some guy [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► named John or Jonathan Gruber think he's an economist and more [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► go to you lol . I E that's pretty cool anyway so any conference and shout out [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► of this week anyway what else so we're gonna get so much email and I'm not [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► looking forward to it anyway I wanted to quickly talk about a tweet that I had [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► seen retweeted by my friend Andre arco this week is by Gary Bernhardt the [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► history of programming is much more about programmers unacknowledged [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► emotional attachment to the miliary than it is about invention and the first [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► thing I thought of when I read this tweet was Marcos insistence on sticking [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► with PHP forever [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► up until the difference though and Marcos defenses that you acknowledge [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► your ridiculous insistence on this ridiculous language and rather than just [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► stick your head in the sand although I guess maybe I should have thought of [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► John first but since I don't feel like there's any so why do you think of me [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► first [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► pearl is fine you know why do you know anyone with his parole is the best [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► language and a whole bunch of languages when go and art comes out when go comes [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► out and all these new language come out I read all the documentation for the [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► languages [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► yes but the only one you really need like Marco said is pearl just dollar [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► signs for everyone [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► JavaScript where you work you'll find yourself writing jobs could have escaped [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► the worst language everywhere looking rather I don't really have much to say [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► other than I thought the to use cool it reminded me of you guys yeah that's [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► that's true not just a programming language those shoe of anything I go [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► again with any sort of group organization with a hierarchy where [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► people are in charge there's going to be an attachment to the people in charge to [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► the things that they are familiar with insist they're in charge they get to [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► impose that everybody else [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► and any attempt to change is met with resistance from the people who are [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► attached to the things they're familiar with their specific instances and [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► programming it whether it's specific language or technology or particular [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► code base that people get attachments with in many cases specifically with TAC [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► what's required is somebody who's not tech person to make a decision and [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► posted on the tech people that's how you get situation that's how you get [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► essentially Mac OS 10 right because Apple had also its next-generation [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► operating system [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► initiatives within its walls and there was none of them are focused enough and [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► they were put under very difficult constraints they just couldn't get the [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► job done he only way they could break out of that with they had to someone who [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► is not a programmer who has no attachment to the Mac tool box or do [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► anything involving classic Mac OS two come in and say we're doing something [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► different because none of the people who were there in the trenches were going to [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► do that because all those people who are experts in the current Mac operating [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► system and they may have had a mission is to make a new operating system but [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► they certainly had an attachment to the current one who takes care of an [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► outsider and usually an outsider is not a tech person in this case the outsider [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► was the CEO of the company who decided to purchase another company that came up [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► with Steve Jobs and he did little inside-out takeover type thing those are [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► the people who decided that there is an operating system with built in next that [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► nobody you know inside the company working on a new kernel or whatever [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► decided that next to be like there's a way out of this to you [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► deal with an emotional attachment you have a duty to get a decision made by [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► somebody has no emotional attachment of those things and you know who I didn't [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► know it was going really old and has a CEO can you remember the CEO progression [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► and Apple did not have an emotional attachment to classic Mac OS so the idea [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► of you know using the Windows anti-crime are buying next are buying be ready [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► those things he's not burdened by any emotional attachment to technologies are [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► language is there anything having to do with the current technology stack that [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► was kind of a crisis tunity though because it comes to going down the tubes [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► the person can the person in charge is empowered to do that and again the [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► success has problems who and Apple is empowered to make them change their [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► priorities for network services anyone who has that sort of ability like [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► there's no crisis causing it to happen at this point because for all the noise [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► we make talking about app on their problems like then they turn these [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► financial numbers and it's like tell me again why I have to totally change the [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► way we do things are otherwise otherwise what happens if we don't we have another [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► record quarter [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► well you know blackberry was doing great in 2006 I know it's hard problems right [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► to the point that it doesn't write and Apple especially because if Apple missus [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► this fantastical earnings by just a little bit like oh god Apple's doom the [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► only made sixteen billion and and last year they paid eighteen if they make [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► sixteen billion this you know the same quarter next year they do know they made [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► sixteen billion dollars in the quarter they're fine right so it's but people [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► still go crazy over it so I guess that's kind of the upside I don't really talk [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► about this but the upside of the crazy Apple blogosphere and the pundits who [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► are like Apple is doomed to my what Apple does they they're about to be [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► destroyed by whatever their competitor is that has actually manufactured crisis [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► unity [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► it's not real phantom I don't want to say it got a real problem but the [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► perception that there is a problem is the only thing they ever give anybody [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► inside Apple any sort of clout to make a you know to have a crisis that leads to [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► an opportunity right otherwise if there were any other company would be like [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► nothing ever changes ever doing great I don't understand why I would ever listen [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► to you everything is fine and you know and just to put a little bit a nuanced [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► on this like when I when I complain about Apple's quality problems or what I [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► perceive as quality problems I'm not saying apples do they're not apples [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► gonna be fine for a long time you know Apple's gonna be even if they have a bad [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► patch it's gonna be a little bit like Microsoft is today which is like [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► Microsoft is you know most of our estimations in this is there going [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► through at their worst period ever right now they're still making tons of money [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► on their still fine and there aren't making as much money necessarily as they [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► could be or maybe as they were in the past I don't know about that but you [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► know they're still even in this state of them producing things that don't do well [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► in the market and things that tend to suck a lot or fail least they're still [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► as a company and financially everything so fine it's not even funny and so you [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► know Apple even if they had a colossal series of terrible moves and terrible [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► products of flops in the marketplace which doesn't look gonna happen time [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► soon even if that happened they have so much money coming in there are still so [TS]

01:09:48 ◼   ► many people they're still gonna have such such great success [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► relative to the market as a whole relative to other companies relative 20 [TS]

01:09:56 ◼   ► that they're gonna be fine so I'm not saying they're doomed I'm not even [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► saying that they're gonna start making less money I don't know that you know [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► who knows I do think though that as you know following the theme of success hide [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► problems [TS]

01:10:13 ◼   ► you can be selling tons and and and doing very well in profit in market [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► share any kind of like you know money metric you want you want to measure and [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► still not be making stuff that's good enough that is a different metric and [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► and you can you can you know similar to how I said look you can lose the [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► function on high ground without losing it to somebody else that you can just [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► lose it yourself you can still be doing very very well you can still be making [TS]

01:10:41 ◼   ► tons of money you can still be the market leader in whatever metric you [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► choose to be despite that your stuff might not be as good as it could be or [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► should be that is totally separate measure that often does not correlate to [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► your market success I wasn't talking about you I was talking mostly about [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► like like that there's bad assumptions arkla Ben Thompson who may or may not be [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► in our chat room by gets the analysts who are like Apple has to come out with [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► the network you know or other competitors in aggression they needed a [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► lower price bones are going to destroy them in China like all these people who [TS]

01:11:14 ◼   ► just don't understand out below their business and they're the people are [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► manufacturing like the drama on the stock market with their price like that [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► why Apple's PE ratio is not what it should be [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► according to almost any rational thought it was like you know is this big article [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► says open the shows like Apple is eternally I think I'm gonna said similar [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► things really like on the edge of doom like I said like they're currently [TS]

01:11:46 ◼   ► currently falling to earth they just keep missing it's a basic there in orbit [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► right and it's not and this is from the people who matter like I'm in the [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► financial markets like that and and everybody hates that you have a whole [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► websites dedicated to just like him in the MacLab all he does is just here she [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► has his just take down the these people who just have no idea what they're [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► talking about a consular talk about Apple and seemingly having people listen [TS]

01:12:14 ◼   ► to them but there is a benefit and the benefit is if that chatter gets loud [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► enough it can be fuel for things to happen inside the company that otherwise [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► wouldn't have been the only other fields are marked talked about that any good [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► company and especially Apple knows don't let yourself be blackberry right don't [TS]

01:12:30 ◼   ► make yourself don't miss the mobile revolution don't decide that a hardware [TS]

01:12:35 ◼   ► keyboard is the way forward dammit like you can always get blindsided and had an [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► apple to its credit and perhaps better than anyone else has been really good [TS]

01:12:45 ◼   ► over the past decade or so about trying not to let that happen because I'm not [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► resting at like that that's what the watch is all about is the watch the [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► right thing Apple TV the right thing like these are things that Apple is [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► trying they don't try a million things but they know we're going to you know i [TS]

01:13:00 ◼   ► phone company forever that is not a viable strategy you end up as a [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► blackberry eventually number I don't you know it may take a while but eventually [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► happen if I had to pick out something that is dangerous to Apple right now I [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► would pick out like we are something maybe there'll be a fluke and it's not a [TS]

01:13:14 ◼   ► big deal but Apple should be worried about it should have contingency plans [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► should be working in like maybe it's not a big deal maybe they are comes and goes [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► and it's like you know we didn't need to be worried about it but doesn't they are [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► coming to every seven or eight years I know you don't know but you never know [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► what's gonna take maybe won't take now if you'd said like tablet computers he [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► better be worried about that Apple when like 10 for Windows came out like that [TS]

01:13:39 ◼   ► that the grid pad or whatever we gotta be very worried about this if you like [TS]

01:13:43 ◼   ► what were they said no we don't need to worry that stupid and then it went away [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► and you like see we were told to rate the whole thing with like tablets that's [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► pointless no one's gonna be that's not the same appalling was at all you bet [TS]

01:13:54 ◼   ► against PDA space [TS]

01:13:56 ◼   ► we tried the new Numis crabby nobody wants to have like a smart device for [TS]

01:13:59 ◼   ► the touch her yet stupid if Apple Cup having that attitude they would have [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► never made that the iPhone right just bien todavia comes and goes like you [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► said we were right now you have to you absolutely have to explore every avenue [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► maybe nothing comes to but you have to be on the lookout for I think Apple has [TS]

01:14:15 ◼   ► that going for it that it's always going to be on the lookout for what the next [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► thing is gonna blind-sided trying to stay ahead of it but the more difficult [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► thing is when you don't have anybody who is competing with you in terms of [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► product quality profits customer set anything like that what do you have to [TS]

01:14:32 ◼   ► motivate you to be better or to change the way you do business because any [TS]

01:14:38 ◼   ► argument you make about change then we do this is Ken eventually ending what [TS]

01:14:43 ◼   ► does it do you think how can we do better in some way which metric that we [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► can measure would we do better and we make more money we have higher customer [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► satisfaction I guess maybe you could say we have more market share but then they [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► have encountered at like if you lower if you saw the lower price phone you would [TS]

01:14:58 ◼   ► increase your market share in that Apple said yes but we don't care about market [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► share care of making us products and making a lot of money possibly in that [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► order [TS]

01:15:06 ◼   ► alright still waiting for that Sega V our heads ok let me know how that works [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► out for you [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► that Sony's making on the accuracy of people to get to be our headsets on that [TS]

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01:15:20 ◼   ► Squarespace and lynda.com and I guess Jeff Bridges and we will see you next [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► week [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental [TS]

01:15:37 ◼   ► accidental [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► Casey [TS]

01:15:45 ◼   ► and you can show the day to be done and Marco [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► what's going on at this point and we're never gonna watch the Microsoft thing [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► right we all forgot to do it for two weeks in a row right ovary supposed to [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► probably watch a little bit I read articles with highlights and I know more [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► or less what was announced i just want to see it i guess i mean sometimes when [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► I watch those things to do very quickly becomes not about what's been announced [TS]

01:16:51 ◼   ► but about how it's being announced yeah and sometimes I could be good at [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► something that can be bad if it's really long and boring and bad but I will [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► remember that one of the best things I watched a long time was that when [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► Windows 8 Metro was like announced it was like that but you got you I got [TS]

01:17:09 ◼   ► explain the UI philosophy behind the Metro interface that was really good I [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► think I mean I've heard so many people talking about this might be something in [TS]

01:17:20 ◼   ► various things about it I think the biggest red flag for me is that all the [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► these features are designed for a leg it sounded like they have basically 11 [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► continuous you I between phones tablets and PCs and you know convertible laptops [TS]

01:17:39 ◼   ► and everything you know everything like rather than the windows 8 environment of [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► ladies two separate environments and Windows RT which no one really mentioned [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► recently with the stuff I think I can take and that they think so but i dont [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► have not been confirmed that he has been employed but all that stuff [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► the problem is that whole system of own it'll be wonderful you can have these [TS]

01:18:03 ◼   ► absurd on the same platforms you can have things being handed off in all its [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► you have to not consider what happens if you have all the Microsoft devices [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► because that's not gonna happen like that's unrealistic that so you have to [TS]

01:18:18 ◼   ► instead can see if you said be like ours so what happens if I only have one or [TS]

01:18:24 ◼   ► two of these what maybe I only have the laptop and the Xbox or media just like [TS]

01:18:29 ◼   ► the tablet and a laptop or something like that like knowing about the Windows [TS]

01:18:34 ◼   ► Phone anytime soon so I can know what happens then in like a mixed environment [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► where this year I don't have are not totally bought it [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► is the stuff still compelling if it works at all you know is is that i think [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► is is why I hope Microsoft is is smart and practical and humble enough to [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► recognize the need to be worried about that and they need to make sure that [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► works well I don't know yet if they are you know we in general the new Microsoft [TS]

01:19:03 ◼   ► is moving in that direction of being more pragmatic and honest about their [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► position in mobile but we'll see in a hollow lens I mean how and from what [TS]

01:19:13 ◼   ► everyone says is a really awesome tech demo that everyone hopes will come out [TS]

01:19:19 ◼   ► sometime soon with some kind of reasonable hardware that perform [TS]

01:19:23 ◼   ► something well and worked with some kind of mystery software but that's that's a [TS]

01:19:27 ◼   ► whole lot of ifs [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► you know that that's a big line of like of pretty big problems to solve before [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► this thing is truly compelling and so I hope it succeed I think it'd be cool but [TS]

01:19:39 ◼   ► I think it would be cool to kinda like shake things up in the industry and and [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► to have Microsoft be the fuhrman again it's kind of exciting because they [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► haven't been for a while so I think that would be interesting I think it'd be [TS]

01:19:50 ◼   ► cool I hope it works but I [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► there there's so many IFS like you know and people are comparing it to light the [TS]

01:19:58 ◼   ► demos of Kinect [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► called president all I think that sounds familiar yes people are saying like you [TS]

01:20:06 ◼   ► know the original demos of that we're like insanely awesome ridiculous stuff [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► and in the real thing him and it wasn't nearly that good in reality and so that [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► could happen here but you know from what everyone has said who has tried the [TS]

01:20:18 ◼   ► Holland at the press event everyone said like it was really good it like it was [TS]

01:20:22 ◼   ► actually really good but of course it was all prototype hardware prototype [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► software pretty far from reality pretty far from Aliso like I saw some people [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► who are normally skeptical saying was really good too but it's like really [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► good like a fun amusement ride but what problem is a solving for me in gaming [TS]

01:20:40 ◼   ► it's easier because like gaming is amusing right that's the problem solving [TS]

01:20:43 ◼   ► for entertainment right right for something that's not a gaming system the [TS]

01:20:47 ◼   ► democrat be amazing because you didn't know the things you're experiencing [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► possible and it was a super rock-solid station of these ideas but then it's [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► like if you gave us to me and put it in my house what would I use it [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► games are easy I would use it to have fun ride if it doesn't make me sick and [TS]

01:21:02 ◼   ► it's fun and interesting and it makes new gameplay think it's just fun sites [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► all you need that but for people like 3d modeling and stuff are you kidding me [TS]

01:21:11 ◼   ► take someone who uses mild and tell them you gonna do everything will hold it [TS]

01:21:15 ◼   ► could get there eventually maybe you have to do but like those applications [TS]

01:21:20 ◼   ► are fiendishly complex they just like the UI looks like the dashboard of a 747 [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► gonna try to do that by waving your hands around in space [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► what is it making easier like what is it making possible easier for people in [TS]

01:21:36 ◼   ► those companies that are you like maybe I don't know but like its up to [TS]

01:21:41 ◼   ► Microsoft to figure that out and putting a bunch of people in his little things [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► and having them be wowed by by technology is it's a start I guess but [TS]

01:21:51 ◼   ► you know the Apple thing is you have to come up with at least one thing that you [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► think this thing can do better than something else and you have to be right [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► about it [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► and I don't know that there is a good discussion about this on on rocket our [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► friends that she was talking about 3 like she does 3d work all day and she [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► knows and other people who do it she knows like that's not really how people [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► do three he and I think to you know we've seen as tablets have gotten big [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► and phones and everything and we've seen in all these all these like weird [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► peripherals it to people that they have tried over time I think we've we've [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► mostly figured out the things that work really well for most tasks and I'm not [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► saying that we can never do anything different than we can ever find better [TS]

01:22:42 ◼   ► ways but a lot has been tried and a lot has failed and I think it's when when [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► you look at liked to get a lot of work done a lot of precise complicated work [TS]

01:22:53 ◼   ► done a keyboard and a pointing device and the screen is really really [TS]

01:22:59 ◼   ► effective and again that might not be the most ideal solution but we have a [TS]

01:23:03 ◼   ► lot of inertia behind that solution with you just gotta wait until it becomes the [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► it becomes the best way to do it like touch screens but it remains forever [TS]

01:23:12 ◼   ► people hated them people just hated touch me how long will it take turns my [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► whole practice my whole life and universally reviled right and that means [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► touchscreens are bad ideas like know someone eventually has to do them right [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► enough that you go oh yeah touchscreens Apple happened to be the one that got [TS]

01:23:29 ◼   ► their right and so is the same way we've had we are forever every time we see in [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► its like an amusement things you put on in the nineties in a video arcade it [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► wasn't even fun right [TS]

01:23:41 ◼   ► were probably the point now where you can make fun games with it if they can [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► work out the problems but you know will know it when someone finally cross that [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► threshold and it's like it's not like we are as a bad idea the reason to believe [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► trying it's because it's an amazing I did you just got to be the first one to [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► do it right and go oh yes every other and people will say every other previous [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► effort of Berar sucked and this is the one that's good and you don't even have [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► to convince people because no need to be convinced now that a good thing that [TS]

01:24:10 ◼   ► people born and you know so the outpost smartphone era will never believe you me [TS]

01:24:15 ◼   ► said before all my life touched me terrible and everybody hated them what [TS]

01:24:19 ◼   ► was different about them they were slightly less responsive I gets it [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► pretty much it someone had to press really hard some of them are a little [TS]

01:24:26 ◼   ► less responsive like doesn't take much you know so that's why people are [TS]

01:24:29 ◼   ► excited oculus because it seems like I'm gonna try to myself it seems like they [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► cross the threshold into no longer sucking four games and I've tried an [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► oculus rift which one I have no idea as soon as I tweeted about it but I tried [TS]

01:24:47 ◼   ► one I i genuinely don't know which 1 I'm not trying to be funny I tried it for [TS]

01:24:52 ◼   ► two minutes and it was cool as hell and I i was playing like one game where I [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► was flying around in like shooting it something or other [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► and I played another game or basically I was just planning now for the game to be [TS]

01:25:05 ◼   ► honest I was walking around like a balcony on the edge of a cliff and its [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► freakin trippy mane it is weird I'm not typically prone to motion sickness I [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► didn't get any and I was only the headset on for a couple of minutes but I [TS]

01:25:20 ◼   ► would assume since there is even the slightest bit of potentially see between [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► real world and it that John you would vomit profusely but I mean I thought it [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► was spot-on I thought is really cool I think that the challenges of taking one [TS]

01:25:36 ◼   ► of them is the motion sickness can you make this so that a reasonable [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► percentage of the population does not get motion sick and you just have to [TS]

01:25:43 ◼   ► keep trying to make it you know [TS]

01:25:44 ◼   ► reduce the leg and you know [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► make it the most people don't get motion sickness walk around all day in a 3d [TS]

01:25:50 ◼   ► world once you put your head any disagreement between what your inner ear [TS]

01:25:56 ◼   ► is telling you about your eyes are seeing is going to be interpreted by [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► people who are prone to motion sickness as you know maybe you've eaten up now so [TS]

01:26:06 ◼   ► that's the problem they're working on essentially you know what they're saying [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► is over the latency displays and reduced tearing and reduce latency that all that [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► buildup to is this something that large enough person the population can use and [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► will find fun because you want people to buy it and it seems like they're getting [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► closer to that threshold right now just four games Microsoft nothing so far that [TS]

01:26:29 ◼   ► i've read or seen I read a lot but not seen much has convinced me that they [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► have reached Indy the IRS moment the iPhone moment like that they have you [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► know this is a thing that ever money use its not just an entertainment is [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► actually a better way for you to interact with software because the [TS]

01:26:49 ◼   ► recent XYZ and I haven't seen that yet it seems like a very good technical [TS]

01:26:55 ◼   ► achievement in the labs so far that might make for a very good product but [TS]

01:27:02 ◼   ► that no one has quite figured out like what's the killer app like what what is [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► what will make it worth spending $500,000 in one of these things and and [TS]

01:27:14 ◼   ► and possibly changing the entire way you work physically or your desktop or [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► whatever what will make it worth all that costs and change that's so much [TS]

01:27:24 ◼   ► better on this thing then you have no such a killer app that's what people [TS]

01:27:29 ◼   ► used to say it like well it's great nobody the killer app for your pipeline [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► but like the touch screen did not have a killer app in the sense of like you know [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► an application made touches like the whole the whole thing the whole [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► experience of a handle things mostly screen [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► that was essentially the killer app but that that that phrase is back from the [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► days when it was literally a single application I call you need a Mac [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► because it has PageMaker get Photoshop already that was a killer Apted [TS]

01:27:56 ◼   ► attractive for your platform the killer outfit touchscreens both countries are [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► better for everything on a phone practically ninety be borderline [TS]

01:28:04 ◼   ► keyboard but there's so much better [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► everything else that the tradeoff is worth i think i mean one of the biggest [TS]

01:28:10 ◼   ► challenges they might have with this and I know this sounds very superficial but [TS]

01:28:13 ◼   ► trust me it will matter is portability you know the reality is I think most [TS]

01:28:19 ◼   ► people today do their work on laptops desktops are really dying breed and [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► never going to be dead but they're certainly laptops are the default [TS]

01:28:30 ◼   ► computer for most people and mobility matters for a lot of those people not [TS]

01:28:35 ◼   ► all that interested me but for a lot of them it matters and if this thing least [TS]

01:28:39 ◼   ► something like those on your head and has these screens or whatever like it [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► now actually might not fold niacin flattened skinny in light into a back [TS]

01:28:47 ◼   ► hoe lens is actually better than i could assume this is like giant ski goggles [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► right and so you know they seemed actually be there and you can see [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► through the lenses are you wearing glasses that you can see the real world [TS]

01:28:59 ◼   ► in ages overlay images onto it [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► Yaris like you know completely covered you can't see anything outside which is [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► why it's mostly better for entertainment for you don't need to see the outside [TS]

01:29:09 ◼   ► world but not so good for an office setting where you have a blindfolded [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► will also I I would expect have not known about this admittedly I would [TS]

01:29:19 ◼   ► expect that ar is probably a lot easier to work out the motion sickness problems [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► for ya probably because you do have the visual cues everything else but then [TS]

01:29:28 ◼   ► that what that does is it reveals all of you that's what people are saying about [TS]

01:29:31 ◼   ► the tech demo like it reveals any latency or miss calibration you have is [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► real because the real world is perfectly steady in that they would say like I [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► looked at the coffee table and there was a Minecraft structure on it and it [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► pretty much say in the somali stuck to the table I couldn't when I wake up my [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► head the microstructure didn't like well I moved you know moving side-to-side for [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► jiggle like her looks like there was a whole new coffee table and there was [TS]

01:29:54 ◼   ► like a thing down in like an hour look at that hopes to look like a hole and [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► never sort of lost track of where the coffee table was actually drew at an [TS]

01:30:01 ◼   ► elevated to left and to the right because that takes you out of the [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► illusion that they had special ok well coffee tables real but the little castle [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► on top of it is ignoring lighting just [TS]

01:30:13 ◼   ► to have a connect to the world that's that's one of the big problems in a hour [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► and it seems like Microsoft to solve that ok now what do you do with that [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► besides minecraft castle tables why would have run to put it in the after [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► show have said TV news before we go I know what happened said said said said [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► on multiple levels so I got my fancy TV that like Panasonic Plasma TV I know all [TS]

01:30:43 ◼   ► that plasma TVs no limitations take very good care of my television or so I [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► thought you called the kids not to leave television shows paused making my [TS]

01:30:55 ◼   ► children watch for by three live-action television shows stretched out and to [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► sixteen by nine just but recently I've got Playstation 4 and have been playing [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► a lot of destiny on it and that turned out to be a mistake got about eighty 80 [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► hours into destin a split between me and my son and we both really like the game [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► despite its flaws or perhaps because of its laws I'm not sure anymore but [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► destiny has one feature that I should have paid more attention to in didn't [TS]

01:31:23 ◼   ► and in the lower left corner of the screen while you're playing destiny is a [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► heads up display that shows a 100% yellow line and 100% white silhouettes [TS]

01:31:34 ◼   ► of guns and when I was looking in puts the other day I noticed that I could [TS]

01:31:38 ◼   ► still see the yellow line and little silhouettes @ the guns in the car on my [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► screen and I said [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► so this is sad for all the worries no one quick googling led to a jackpot of [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► people begging bungee to make the HUD transparent or to make it optional this [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► is something that most games are good about giving you a way to make a little [TS]

01:32:08 ◼   ► bit transparent because the background is constantly changing promise when you [TS]

01:32:12 ◼   ► make something opaque then it never changes I was just there for just an [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► hour after hour this terrible budget hasn't done that yet I saw one [TS]

01:32:19 ◼   ► acknowledgement that they acknowledge they've heard this complaint before and [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► they can't give any timelines and blah blah blah battled back in November so [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► there hasn't been a patch kit to fix this and the second thing is regarding [TS]

01:32:29 ◼   ► plasma TVs there is image retention and burning the only difference as far as I [TS]

01:32:34 ◼   ► can tell that burning is considered permanent injury is what I have [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► permanent or not many stories from people who played last game past games [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► on their plasma TVs other games I stopped playing the game and it took [TS]

01:32:47 ◼   ► months for it to go away but eventually did other people say it never went away [TS]

01:32:50 ◼   ► and so like the people that never won any they had burning people that image [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► retention and those different debate so there if your Plasma TV supports 3d it's [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► more susceptible to either attention to burn in or whatever anyway my tv screen [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► might feature that puts white across the bar ice cream that's supposed to help [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► but the bottom line is from what I've read the best cure is that you simply [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► continue to use your TV as normal don't play the game anymore [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► wait several months to a year and maybe you'll go [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► I think it has faded already but the worst part of this is now destinies [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► banned from my television until they [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► means that I can't play destiny which also means my son can play destiny and [TS]

01:33:31 ◼   ► that is the worst part of this community super pissed no one else at this point I [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► think no one else would even notice it pointed it out but you know me so right [TS]

01:33:41 ◼   ► my solution to this is buying a gaming monitor 1080p game under gonna move the [TS]

01:33:47 ◼   ► PlayStation 4 into the computer room air instead of on the television because we [TS]

01:33:52 ◼   ► gotta play destiny [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► you know he's done his guns are gonna level themselves so let me ask you a [TS]

01:33:59 ◼   ► serious question I I'm not trying to troll you you bought this TV this was a [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► plasma TV if I understand things correctly because the blacks are better [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► but otherwise it's mostly the same as any other TV is that now pretty much [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► everything about its better as bet it panel's notion better the color accuracy [TS]

01:34:22 ◼   ► is better than blacks are better it is better than any television you could buy [TS]

01:34:27 ◼   ► except for with the possibility of overheads by the way also have burning [TS]

01:34:31 ◼   ► problems anyway the one of driving at is you bought this TV for a difference that [TS]

01:34:39 ◼   ► probably only year robot eyes can see how anybody could see it [TS]

01:34:44 ◼   ► anybody could see him next to each other in a showroom pick my TV is about early [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► yet you can't use the TV to do the one thing you want to do with it which is [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► played destiny know because the Destiny like video games all the games fall [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► right into motion the motion is an important thing in gaming right but the [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► thing I really want good picture for us for television and movies like a live [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► action because games like are you know they're limited by the graphics that are [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► in the games they're not photo realistic and you know I want to watch my favorite [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► movies and television shows and all that stuff on my nice fancy screen [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► I'm perfectly happy to move my gaming to a little 23 inch monitor the computer [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► right but I am NOT happy I wouldn't be happy to watch like my new gimli blu-ray [TS]

01:35:29 ◼   ► on a little tiny computer screen Godfather movies analyst at a computer [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► screen to watch the next season of Game of Thrones computer screen so I'm still [TS]

01:35:38 ◼   ► what I'm trying to do is preserve my my TV for its intended purpose or just [TS]

01:35:43 ◼   ► watching television and movies is intended purposes not gaming and in fact [TS]

01:35:47 ◼   ► the monitor will probably have much lower input lag and lower latency than [TS]

01:35:51 ◼   ► by television does not try to get a TV that has a low input legs possible to [TS]

01:35:54 ◼   ► make it acceptable for gaming but probably much better on this monitor [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► right well said here that yeah and I i worried about it for other games too [TS]

01:36:03 ◼   ► like Zelda games have had some stuff to do a little bit of transparency and you [TS]

01:36:07 ◼   ► know it has not been a problem with any games a lot of that hundreds and [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► hundreds of hours of game done this TV and maybe some of the jurors complaining [TS]

01:36:17 ◼   ► stretching for way through the crime i watch that i say i make my kids wash out [TS]

01:36:22 ◼   ► there watching full house standard death and they can stretch it a watch full [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► house reruns or that the show looks awful in any in any aspect ratio it out [TS]

01:36:34 ◼   ► now [TS]