10: Gradual Ramp Up To Nothing

0:00:00right so last episode I mentioned that at my alma mater which is Virginia Tech

0:00:07they have been requiring tablets for a while and when I say tablets I don't

0:00:13mean iPads I mean honest to god that was awful Microsoft quasi computers not the

0:00:18surface like the real old Microsoft tablets and so I got some feedback I got

0:00:24some from just graduated recently graduated student alan fuller and I got

0:00:28some from somebody who is associated with the teaching part of the college

0:00:32Joseph G

0:00:35region very small excerpt of what Joseph said he said I teach electrical

0:00:38engineering and I can tell you that most of the students here heat those required

0:00:43tablet PCs that they are all required to buy more expensive and less capable the

0:00:48purposes for everything to be submitted electronically but it failed so

0:00:51spectacularly at this that I have died just have them print everything and

0:00:56submit hard copies I suspect half of them are browsing Facebook during class

0:00:59anyway and I thought that was kind of interesting and and in different that

0:01:04here it is the school if you ask me was trying to be progressive and say let's

0:01:09do this wild thing with these tablets and as it turns out apparently everyone

0:01:13hates him anyway which is of no great surprise but I thought it was

0:01:15interesting I think it's a disease to like I mean I think we are all

0:01:20especially John we're all old enough that we we didn't really have computers

0:01:27really that prevalent in classrooms when we were in college and certainly high

0:01:31school I don't they do that in high school yet but you know we didn't have

0:01:34they do make not everybody was having laptops on their desk in college when we

0:01:38were there is a fair for you also Casey I know it's fair for john has like 50 we

0:01:44did not have laptops in in high school when I was in high school however the

0:01:49school in which my wife teaches actually made national news many many years ago

0:01:52because I like 10 years ago because they used to have called the MacBooks before

0:01:59their Matt I box they they used to have I books and they sold them for $50 a pop

0:02:03after they've been used by like middle schoolers for a couple years

0:02:06and they sold them at the Richmond International Raceway the NASCAR track

0:02:09and apparently there were like stampedes in order to yeah that's that's that's

0:02:14the school district in which aaron teaches so how about that but to this

0:02:18day they have really crummy Dell's that all the kids get issued and from what I

0:02:23understand it's a double-edged sword I can't imagine getting anything like

0:02:26paying attention just go to school at all if I was in high school with a

0:02:30laptop with an Internet connection without internet just I paid just how I

0:02:35would you ever pay attention to class right I mean like I remember that there

0:02:38was in my senior year of college we had one class that wasn't a brand new lab

0:02:44with all these Linux desktops and I spent so much time playing same know and

0:02:50browsing the internet and not not at all paying attention in class and I was

0:02:55lucky that even being a computer science student most of the classrooms didn't

0:03:00have computers and they just like regular classrooms with desks and you

0:03:03would take notes if you were a good student or you would stare at the wall

0:03:06at me and the idea of like having those I i would not have some control and I

0:03:12would imagine if I i no i didnt want when I had the opportunity senior year I

0:03:17didn't have that self-control and I looked around the room and no one else

0:03:20to him and I have to imagine that's probably gonna be a pretty common

0:03:26problem as computers infiltrate and become

0:03:29probably already are everyday items now in college classrooms the problem of the

0:03:34Virginia Tech things it's like a mini tell effect where a school thanks our

0:03:39technology and you know this is the next big thing and the mistake they make is

0:03:43saying and that not just that we're gonna require another computer or this

0:03:46year are required at this computer but like they think they're gonna do they're

0:03:50gonna do it like they do with desks like we've decided that this is the best ask

0:03:53for our school and got this job on this site and has this place fear books and

0:03:57we're gonna order 500 I'm gonna use it for the next twenty years and so they

0:04:01decided to whatever you know this little flip around screen tablet PC thing

0:04:04that's the future and they just went with it and they expected to be you know

0:04:08standardized going foreign and that's tough without sleep before it even

0:04:11arrives at the school due to like the delays and purchase orders and

0:04:14everything and

0:04:16after they realized they are after everyone after all the students realize

0:04:19that they're terrible mistake you know they are we you know don't this is

0:04:23terrible don't do this it doesn't work does make our lives easier these crappy

0:04:26computers they don't say oh yeah now we gotta stop that and keep going with it I

0:04:31will get the new version that tablet PC so it's a combination of elements of

0:04:35like now refusing to admit your mistakes and not realizing that standardizing

0:04:39that degrees or is going to come back and bite you and the many tell us

0:04:42computer the head and France I don't know someone in the chatroom can look it

0:04:46up on Wikipedia are better but for a long time it was you know it was good

0:04:51and I like everyone had France France could get him in detail and get down to

0:04:54the social networking do interesting things that you don't have the other

0:04:57countries but it's bad and it lasted forever and it was just an embarrassment

0:05:00a joke obviously the government doing it as the worst case scenario in terms of

0:05:04standardizing universally and being out of date and taking forever to arrive and

0:05:09not being able to take some mistakes but university is a nice step down from that

0:05:13one to be fair Virginia secondly mandated tablets for the engineers and

0:05:19they've been mandating computers in general for incoming students for

0:05:23something like twenty or thirty years I think was like mid-eighties that they

0:05:26started mandating that all the students would have to have computers but it is i

0:05:31i agree with you john that its I think them saying who this tablet thing this

0:05:35is progressive and exciting and were progressives were progressive school and

0:05:38it ends up by him in the butt and nobody is got the confidence to hit the brakes

0:05:42and say man maybe this is bad and also consider that these are purchased by the

0:05:47school issued by the school

0:05:49these are everyone has to buy their own machine they take it so much money for

0:05:53you anyway you can feel bad but it also feels bad buying hundreds of dollars

0:05:59with the stupid books that stirred by bucks to buy books oh yeah and and and

0:06:05pull the same crap with lake with two by two professors own book and then you

0:06:11have to buy like the the spiral bound like Xerox files that are some other

0:06:16things like it and and then of course they have the the used book ordeal

0:06:20there's no better word for it just a giant scale

0:06:26its I mean that's you know I wonder that this has been a big problem that's

0:06:31probably beyond the scope of the show but you know there's a problem now with

0:06:36college being worth it or not and I don't know how much this has been a

0:06:41problem in the past but it seems like a combination of surprisingly dramatically

0:06:49increasing tuition in the last decade or so and then that the economy being so

0:06:55terrible for jobs

0:06:57seems like colleges actually becoming a worse and worse deal for students I mean

0:07:00I probably be honest competition you know all these things add up and you

0:07:06gotta figure specialize in our industry where so many people get by just fine

0:07:10without a college degree doesn't really help when you're starting out but you

0:07:15can make it work and it's a private colleges probably state schools I think

0:07:21even though the funding is being massively / for them I think you still

0:07:24mad I would say you know you're better off going to the cheapest possible state

0:07:29school that you can get into it then not because your student debt won't be

0:07:33astronomical I can be if you go someplace that cost you 60 grand a year

0:07:36or something like that UN + like you know if if your boss is somebody like me

0:07:41who was pretty much a slacker and just barely got through school I don't really

0:07:45care what school you went to leave I'm reviewing your resume I do whatever

0:07:50school you went to a probably haven't heard of any matter how did it was so I

0:07:53don't know I don't care I have to imagine it's probably true of many of

0:07:56the like mid-level a high-level bosses and tech companies especially smaller

0:08:01companies run by younger people I have to imagine that a certain size though

0:08:06they do the stupid filtering like they just wanted to grieve for you the first

0:08:10level ihr passes just doesn't have a degree in something vaguely related

0:08:15that's stupid you could say that's not the way you run a company but once

0:08:20companies reduce certain size they start doing stupid things and that's why I

0:08:24guess I guess this is probably true in most tech jobs if you have to if you

0:08:29want a job at a place that has an H R Department you're better off making

0:08:33something that they can buy the company

0:08:36give a better chance of them buying your startup that he do of getting through

0:08:39the AHR departments automatic filters and all the keyword filtering and the

0:08:44recruiters and all that crap most people don't miss a thing most people don't go

0:08:48through that gone but most people get into companies like that because they

0:08:53know someone who's there are you know they they someone inside the company you

0:08:58know starts to know them online and on Twitter or something and you bypass some

0:09:02are all that idiotic process by someone inside the company just bring him in

0:09:07action at church sacristy yeah and that's how people get hired referrals

0:09:14friends stuff like that and those type of things I don't think I've ever gotten

0:09:19the job by like just going through the front door maybe once in my life I got a

0:09:25job I just going through the front door and every other time it's like you you

0:09:28know someone inside the company or you get to know someone inside the company

0:09:31or know someone who knows someone and then you bypass all that BS and that's

0:09:35how you get your interview

0:09:36you know instead of having to jump through stupid hurdles in past keyword

0:09:40filters actually how I got my job which became tumblr was exactly just applying

0:09:48like David posted a Craigslist ad looking for programmers and I responded

0:09:53and that was mostly I don't think I've ever gotten a job that way and by the

0:09:58way a real-time follow-up as her Twitter not the chatroom and disappointed the

0:10:02Jaguar useless chat room on 0845 either I never liked on the five by five people

0:10:10jacks phone call these ppl jackals either of these awesome our friend he's

0:10:15awesome friends in the chatroom let us down already but I just endearing in

0:10:19Twitter said I was a freshman in ninety-seven it wasn't mandated than was

0:10:23recommended and so I quickly looked and according to tack it wasn't all 98 in

0:10:27since 1982 coming undergraduate student had been required to own personal

0:10:30computer

0:10:32so real-time problem but I know I've never done a job to my knowledge I never

0:10:37got a job just by cold calling someone has always been a friend of a friend or

0:10:40something along those lines I just got me in the door so I'm a little surprised

0:10:44markets and I think I knew that story but I'm a little surprised at how you

0:10:47ended up as well that was like my my first job even that like my first job

0:10:52out of college at the visa mo even that was a friend already birthday Aaron got

0:10:57me an interview like it was like it's it's so much more important with who you

0:11:01know the David Ville that became tumblr job that was a fluke that doesn't really

0:11:05ever happen but it was total fluke I don't think he had a jar department that

0:11:09girl bypassing if they're not exactly i mean that's like he he emailed from the

0:11:16addy requested a code sample I should have some PHP code written was looking

0:11:20for and that was it an email me two books on Ruby on Rails and said you

0:11:25started a few weeks get up to speed on the stuff and that was it but I think I

0:11:30think one of the reasons that worked one of the reasons that that was a totally

0:11:33lucky break for me is that he didn't really know what he was doing so he

0:11:38didn't know that you're supposed to go through all these you know all this

0:11:41crazy process and filtering and collector billion resumes like all that

0:11:45stuff that everyone else does

0:11:47as the day they know how it's done David didn't know that

0:11:50like David you know he was a young kid money when he hired me I don't know that

0:11:53really but he had to tell me things like holidays like he really didn't know

0:11:58about how things are done in the in the pro-war croats he was never really in it

0:12:03except working for himself by himself so you know that that was a lucky break but

0:12:09I think if you if you don't have a college degree or if you have a crappy

0:12:13college degree or if you have I think my final GPA was something like a 2.3 or

0:12:18something terrible GPA if you have a contemporary feel like me i i think you

0:12:24have a way better chance of getting into companies like that that are being run

0:12:27by basically inexperienced young people or companies who just so desperate that

0:12:34just meet anybody watching the door but you don't really want those jobs but

0:12:38like I you know the company that are run by young people at the startups

0:12:41or and consultancies off and everything that I feel like it's so much easier to

0:12:44get a job there because you are more likely to run into somebody like david

0:12:49who doesn't really know how things are supposed to be done in the way that

0:12:52would rule you out anyway

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0:15:10hosting email as mail route nose and as they as they solve for a lot of people

0:15:15hosting email is such a pain because you can set it up and you think it's working

0:15:21but once you start getting into the complexities things like spam filtering

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0:15:30the crazy complexity that we've added to our email infrastructure to usually

0:15:35responds to spammers security problems it makes hosting your own and getting

0:15:40your own mail delivered to other ppl reliably so difficult

0:15:44the graph showing like number of incoming house for dinner was labeled

0:15:48with colors within a one color for spam and one caller good mail and you see

0:15:53mostly like it's like 50 50 ratio good mail spam

0:15:56but those were tiny little sliver like two pixels high and then in the middle

0:16:00of the graph or two gigantic towers

0:16:02there like the height of the screen there were all the color of spam with

0:16:05like a little tiny frosting on the top of regular mail and over the course of

0:16:08two days like the spam volume went up by like 10000 X and then went back down

0:16:13again and it's like that's like a bottle gone wild or coordinated attacker that's

0:16:18the type of you know 10 X hundred thousand X volume that you just may I

0:16:22guess what today your mail server is getting a Brazilian spans you don't know

0:16:25why you can't control it good

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0:16:52her bag of her bag of such a bag of hurt

0:16:59you know I not not to get all sad for a moment but I really do miss Steve Jobs

0:17:04at times like when the galaxy s4 comes out and it has an easy mode you know I

0:17:11would love to get that steve was always so good about these little quips that he

0:17:19would leak in an email or a comment somewhere on the earnings call or

0:17:24something somebody would ask about something some competitors stupid thing

0:17:27and he would just tear them apart in like seven words and I i really do miss

0:17:33like what it what he had to say it especially Mohit to say about Google

0:17:37glass I mean that's spam bots Steve Jobs is two-fold one he was a person a lot of

0:17:45people admired in to Apple as a company was and still is not the kind of company

0:17:49to have like oh you could you just called nothing get some random obnoxious

0:17:53quote from some random ppl like they're very controlled about their messaging so

0:17:56you always want to hear what admired person has to say about any topic that's

0:18:00one reason to hang on his every word in the second thing is he was the only

0:18:03person in the entire organization who had the authority to make stupid ass com

0:18:08could not get you couldn't get you can call up and say can you tell us what you

0:18:12think of you never hear anyone on the phone number ever give you a line but if

0:18:16you're talking to Steve Jobs you never know who's going to stop them and most

0:18:19the time he was very controlled and say things but occasionally you get you push

0:18:22that one but he be like you know what that thing is crap let me tell you why

0:18:26do you like the stuff you can never get them any other way now it's like it just

0:18:31shows gonna come up and make a quip about easy mode or whatever you know but

0:18:35everything that they're going to be showing for iOS 7 new iPhones they don't

0:18:40make like an off-handed quip about something else but when the press gets a

0:18:43massive attack he just going to repeat his talking points are not going to go

0:18:47off on a three second diatribe about you know like the back of her thing that's

0:18:50not a rehearsed talking point that was like someone asked about blu-ray and he

0:18:55said you know the stuff and if I wasn't talking points it's not going to be

0:19:00going to come out and cokes mouth or socialism he was the best when he fired

0:19:04from the hip and he did it rarely but when he did it was fantastic I think a

0:19:08lot like I bet he had that frees better

0:19:10her turning over his head for weeks or months and he was waiting for a time to

0:19:14use it he had like a nice arsenal of like what he thinks about X and it

0:19:19didn't hear it

0:19:21yeah they were discussed internally and like every anyone who has had these

0:19:24conversations with him internally is going to be like ok he's giving greatest

0:19:27hits the rents we've all had internally but that stuff we'll just stay inside

0:19:32the company but you know he was the one guy who could let it out when he felt

0:19:36like it just felt like I always wonder how much stuff he does ad-libbing like

0:19:40that like one of the ones that comes to mind tell-all book about the stuff was

0:19:44back when interest the g5 and I think he said like and they're going to be a

0:19:49three-game hurts in a year someone in the chatroom can correct and it's like

0:19:53someone from IBM tell him that did you go you know what screw them they better

0:19:58be ten year and was gonna say they're going to be an actor not gonna blame

0:20:02them later and do the job says what exactly are speaking of Apple you want

0:20:13to discuss this w WDC situation I mean it's unfortunately it's only gonna be

0:20:17relevant mostly to our live listeners of Xterra now approximately two hundred and

0:20:22twenty because kinda crazy to think about but it all to them because that's

0:20:28when it comes out of course it will be released as probably on Friday so we

0:20:33will already have or not have our tickets but we can only predict what's

0:20:37going to happen so people can laugh at us and retrospect when they find out

0:20:40what actually did happen to us that's a fair point so I will confidently predict

0:20:44that I will try my darndest to get a ticket fail and then go fetal for the

0:20:50rest of the week and weekend crying miserably about how I didn't get a

0:20:53ticket to get one like two hours last year something if we're just prefer all

0:20:58there you know and and Marco is starting to get on board with Marcos optimistic

0:21:02predictions like look at your phone orders way more people on iphone they

0:21:05want to go to

0:21:06like there are many assumptions in that statement one of which is that this is

0:21:11the same systems use iPhones which I don't really believe the like a you know

0:21:14what could happen

0:21:15the service could stay up we could and if they do presumably everyone has their

0:21:20sitting there and like 1 p.m. going click click

0:21:22don't you think I was going to get tickets I hope it's a problem is I

0:21:27believe I don't remember the gentleman's name and I couldn't pronounce it even if

0:21:31I remembered it but the guy who did the WBC alerts that that you could jump the

0:21:36line if you paid money for people

0:21:40yes well decide that I don't think he quite nicely and never on the money as

0:21:49soon I don't know I wouldn't

0:21:51email John but no anyway crap I totally lost my train of thought and now we're

0:21:58doing it live

0:21:59well you know and I would imagine that I mean so what happened today to recap for

0:22:04people listening in the far future is for I believe the first time ever

0:22:08necessary for the last 25 years or so but for the first time Apple announced

0:22:15WDC and it's it's dates and its availability before the tickets were

0:22:20actually available to buy and so they've said basically buy tickets tomorrow at

0:22:25this time and so it it solves a lot of problems it in previous years like last

0:22:30year two years ago tickets sold out in about 12 hours last year tickets sold

0:22:34out in about two hours and IV n last year they the best time to release a

0:22:42press release in in the PR industry is about 8:30 in the morning so Apple tends

0:22:50to ship out all their press releases and the new product announcements and they

0:22:55they tend to lift embargoes at like 830 1 a.m. and generally want to do this not

0:23:02a Monday you can help it caused a lot of competition from things that built up

0:23:05over the weekend on Monday for coverage you don't want to compete with that you

0:23:08also want to on Friday because on Friday your back into the weekend a lot of

0:23:12people aren't paying attention and is not gonna be a lot of time 22

0:23:16announced to for people to write up like reactions and they're gonna have the

0:23:20weekend and the final forget about it so generally want to do it early in the

0:23:23week but not Monday so things are usually announced on Tuesdays or

0:23:27Wednesdays and so it was pretty easy to predict that the announcement of this

0:23:33conference was probably gonna happen again just like it did the year before

0:23:38probably gonna happen again at a few minutes after 8:30 in the morning on a

0:23:42Tuesday or Wednesday and sure enough it did end and it did it right after the

0:23:47day after the earnings call and there's there's the details of this there's the

0:23:52SEC quiet period guidelines and I i'm not qualified and neither you guys as

0:23:59far as I know none of us are qualified to talk about whether Apple is required

0:24:03to stay silent but they're not required as it's not even an SEC thing is just

0:24:09something that people do it's like a guideline or practice yesterday

0:24:13defacto thing as far as I know I don't even think the SEC recommends is just

0:24:16what everybody does in once everybody does it by not doing it you would stick

0:24:20out but I don't think the SEC tells you that you should or even recommends that

0:24:24you do well it's kind of it's it's almost requisite you're right it's not

0:24:28required but it's almost requisite in my dad actually works for investor

0:24:31relations for a really really big company and so he would be qualified in

0:24:36NI he's been doing this for many many years including the time I i lived with

0:24:41him when I was in high school and whatnot and my understanding is that if

0:24:45you say anything truly reformed in earnings announcement it could

0:24:49reasonably be construed to affect the result of those earnings and so that

0:24:56would be releasing insider information before the company has released their

0:25:00earnings and does it the logical thing to do is for all these companies to just

0:25:05shut the crap up for like two or three weeks I don't remember how long it is

0:25:09but some duration of time before earnings so this way there are no

0:25:13slip-ups in saudi appoint Marco it seems reasonable that even though WBC

0:25:19on the surface doesn't seem like it would affect the stock price or anything

0:25:22like that it for the last couple of years it's been announced the day after

0:25:25their earnings

0:25:26right and so it was it was fairly easy to predict that the announcement was

0:25:31going to happen this morning but nobody was pretty and I heard a few rumors and

0:25:37a few other people to do but nobody was predicting that this would happen where

0:25:41the announcement was indeed at 42 time but the on-sale date of the ticket is

0:25:46going to be tomorrow and it's all water problems one of the problems with last

0:25:50year's the people complain about a lot it because it was 830 in the morning

0:25:53eastern it really screwed the Pacific coast because by the time they all woke

0:25:59up it was sold out so it was kind of rough on people in the pacific time zone

0:26:06and of course all times around the world to know if if if 8:30 a.m. Eastern which

0:26:12is Jim T minus five is in the middle of the night for you and your time zone

0:26:15your kind of screwed so this was a really good way to do it I think people

0:26:21are so special to me that maybe they will have a lottery employees I'm

0:26:24actually very glad they don't have that because I know I would lose it was

0:26:27losing drawings and raffles and things you and me both yeah so you know I i'm

0:26:35glad there's not a lottery thing or at least at least they aren't all lottery

0:26:38sales but while you're glad now will you be glad it's terrible because you like

0:26:45he wants some system that is not you don't want to be random you want some

0:26:50system that has some kind of like merit-based selection process even if

0:26:54that Meredith who who is who wants it the most

0:26:57who is willing to wake up in the know that who is willing to settle things to

0:27:01moderate like maybe that's not the best way to do it like this the way anything

0:27:04you know anything in life is who wants it the most and if those people get

0:27:08first to complain no fair I don't wanna statement though and I well I guess you

0:27:11don't want it as much as other person like that is so much better than random

0:27:16because then you and your friends can band together and be idiots and stamp in

0:27:20the middle of the night on the outside world and get tickets and you could all

0:27:23go together as if it's a lottery maybe you get to go but you to friends don't

0:27:26and then you have a worse experience in the system right so we don't know yet we

0:27:31know we will know in less than 24 hours whether the three of us are going or not

0:27:36or whether some subset of us are going

0:27:37but get a problem is like you know the old system was it gave more room for

0:27:44people who really really cared about it

0:27:46to have an advantage because we would be predicting the times and we would be

0:27:49waking up early every day to every day in April basically and you know we would

0:27:54be weird be the ones like setting up monitoring systems and hammering the

0:27:58page to see when it changes so certainly you know now that they've done is made

0:28:05it so that you don't have to pay much attention to have a chance at it so it

0:28:09is more fair in the sense that it will give way more people who are interested

0:28:14in going

0:28:15a chance of getting tickets at the expense of crazy nerds like us who

0:28:19always somebody else to France for seniors crazy geeks like us to really

0:28:24badly yeah sometimes I don't I don't agree with him but okay it's okay I i

0:28:31think you're qualified to to set the world so anyway we you know nerds like

0:28:38us are now at a slight disadvantage that there's gonna be more competition from

0:28:42people who care little bit less about it or who or who would have otherwise been

0:28:46awake at that time anyways so the only reason it's slightly worse for us is

0:28:51that like it's brought a few more people into the fold people who really do wanna

0:28:57go but like they're learning things didn't work or they were asleep but they

0:29:01didn't hear the phone go off like those people who kind of unfairly got screwed

0:29:05last year they are now competing with us but I think it's reasonable it's more

0:29:10than that though because when I went two years ago when I went in 2011

0:29:16my might then employers who I don't work for an employer was probably going to

0:29:24fund my trip and when the tickets went on sale I needed to go get final

0:29:29approval Marco you spoke about this at some point or another in the past I need

0:29:33to go get final approval from my boss in order to spend a whole bunch of money

0:29:35and get it reimbursed

0:29:37and now all those people who are in that situation they've done that today so in

0:29:44the point of going to occur when I lost my train of thought is I thought that

0:29:47the gentleman who did the painting jump the line alert system said he had like

0:29:52twenty thousand people in his alert you and there's something to the order of

0:29:56from our friends in the chatroom 5,000 tickets that you can buy and show even

0:30:01if even if it's the same system that handles millions of iPhone orders when

0:30:06they are brand new

0:30:08you're still talking about a whole crapload of people trying to vie for

0:30:125,000 seats and that's just I'm really scared that's not gonna end well for me

0:30:16yet actually that's a bigger ratio than I would have expected because you gotta

0:30:20figure like not everybody who wants to buy tickets even sign up for that

0:30:23service

0:30:23you know there's probably some percentage of them who did but I don't

0:30:27know all the good thing is that this year Apple says they're going to release

0:30:31the videos during the conference so they won't be live-streamed I assume but like

0:30:36maybe you feel like the day after or something so and also you don't have to

0:30:40think we're the only people who get their videos with the people who

0:30:43actually attended WotC which was incredibly stupid so now if you were to

0:30:47snap a developer they just a registered developer resume me to pay developed for

0:30:51their iOS or the Mac and you want to see WWE sessions I assume there while Darius

0:30:59is going on during that week they will slowly be doling out downloads on iTunes

0:31:05you know and i dont University but anyway the place where you can download

0:31:09videos through iTunes WABC only they'll come out as WNBC happens instead of

0:31:15having to wait a week or two weeks regime in a week or two week isn't a big

0:31:18deal but like this take some of the sting out and hopefully will discourage

0:31:21people I try to just going to be willing to put her expensive you have to you

0:31:25know if you don't live in the area you know by our hotel for a week and you

0:31:31have to buy the ticket which is not cheap it's a lot of money so stay home

0:31:36and you get almost all the experience from home just watch the videos and that

0:31:41like if I don't get a ticket it's not going to be the end of the world to me

0:31:44because that's will be what I do I'm estas a week off from work but thats

0:31:49let's say you would take a week off of work to sit in your house and watch his

0:31:54videos like anything about that is you would think that would work out fine but

0:31:58the main problem is that the videos would end up being released I don't know

0:32:02I don't know what kind of like there but like the amount of time I can dedicated

0:32:05to watch WEC videos is much smaller kids at a house in the morning I could come

0:32:09home when your W C you can just dedicate your heads down whole life to to just

0:32:16ignore you see I mean like so far every year that I've gone gone from four years

0:32:20now every year there have been a few sessions where like they were double

0:32:25booked again something else I wanted to go to so I I made a note I told myself

0:32:28I'm gonna go and watch this video when it comes out of this other one that I'm

0:32:31not gonna see now I think I might have watched like two or three videos after

0:32:37the fact total and usually that was only because I was about to or already coding

0:32:43and some API that the videos were about I want to look something up or go back

0:32:46to a movie of a session I already did see live remember like oh yeah how did

0:32:51they do this one thing like the scroll recession I was going to be pretty good

0:32:55stuff and there's time for reference purposes but I'm never gonna like make

0:33:01two hours and sit down and watch a couple of these things I've got the WTC

0:33:062003 DVD to my right I kept it because it came in a metal box enough people

0:33:12remember that and you know I and the first time I went it was two years ago I

0:33:15was never actually able to go but I knew people who went or do people who could

0:33:20have gone but got the DVD set aside as part of the deal member Marco you

0:33:24probably weren't around when they had the name right I think it was there was

0:33:29different ABC levels of selected premier yeah I came in right as I was about to

0:33:34end so I did see it and it was it was like five hundred thousand and three

0:33:38thousands of my bad I think it was just selectors 500 and premier I think it was

0:33:44for some of the shower and that was like four digits and remember what it was but

0:33:48when you got was like one WTC take it and you got the DVDs and you got like it

0:33:52was you got lots of stuff I and so many I got I got you get a big discount and

0:33:58yeah I know and a big that's the whole reason

0:34:01can you get a couple hundred bucks it would go in together and have a bunch of

0:34:05different hardware discounts on the web but all I have that DVD set and doesn't

0:34:12back on days when I get this DVD set tonight to watch every single session

0:34:15just about every single wanna go through in order and these days when I actually

0:34:20attend I don't obviously do that because a lot of them I was there for us I don't

0:34:23watch them again but I will go back and look at the ones that I didn't see that

0:34:27the only thing I start skipping now is like now that it's like that attracts

0:34:31like web development company like I'm not going to watch those and even some

0:34:36of the iOS ones I'll skip because I mostly in there for the Mac West End

0:34:39stuff it used to be when I was just Mac and there wasn't like a track about how

0:34:43to do

0:34:44CSS or high DPI images rather esoteric things that I may not really be in

0:34:50Apple's wheelhouse and you could have learned about her may have already

0:34:52learned about the ones I would just watch every single session and that

0:34:55sounds boring but I find maybe I'm gonna get as I'm getting older I have less

0:35:01time for that because the kids take a lot of time and everything but I used to

0:35:04just that's the way I would consume things when I was getting into a hobby

0:35:07or something I would read everything there was to read about that happy when

0:35:10I was learning units I just bought or other books and read them from cover to

0:35:14cover and today you read toaster manuals of those are much shorter than I i read

0:35:20your next article twice I remember going to get in the end of that going back to

0:35:23the beginning of a small book will you make an interesting point Marconi said

0:35:28that jokingly but I really shouldn't say this on the show will come out after the

0:35:33fact that doesn't matter but part of the part of the draw wEDC is the experiences

0:35:38you have outside of the sessions and sessions are unbelievable and my two

0:35:41years of going to WTC of only skipped three or four sessions are three or four

0:35:45slots I guess I should say and and some of the best experiences I've had though

0:35:49our networking with people like for example I met David Smith there and

0:35:52David just pointed out in the chatroom that the gentleman whose first name I

0:35:58don't know how to pronounce his surname is prindiville who ran the DEC alert

0:36:04thing

0:36:05apparently he only had six hundreds of subscribers which is a lot better than

0:36:08the twenty thousand apparently invented out of thin air so so that meant that

0:36:14the case scenario isn't quite so bad i remember i think thats 20,000 number I

0:36:18remember last year when I don't they did it did the WBC alerts

0:36:22it was oversubscribed yet that the Twitter thing had something like twenty

0:36:29thousand I forget the exact number but it was it was it was in that range you

0:36:32know and and so I thought it was eight but thousands maybe it was more than the

0:36:38tickets were available

0:36:40yeah I think last year they sold something like fifty five hundred

0:36:43tickets and and and they've been a number pretty comfortably or near that

0:36:47number pretty comfortably for enough time that we can be pretty sure that

0:36:50that's roughly what they think the maximum should be and N certainly like

0:36:53going going there for the last few years you can see in moscow me it is packed

0:36:59full and it is so hard like it's a line after line for line you got a recession

0:37:05it if you want to popular session if you wanna get in there even you know you you

0:37:10have to get there like a half hour before it starts dancing long line which

0:37:13means you still might not get it right and it's it's really quite difficult to

0:37:19to maneuver around the conference with the number they have now they they

0:37:22certainly can't sell more tickets and keeping that menu is still not the max

0:37:26level of waiting but I don't I find that you don't usually have to actually

0:37:29skipped the previous session you'll just get a crappier seat Burris with pacs

0:37:34skip the previous two seconds to get mine had to skip such as far i think is

0:37:39if you want to get lunch session like the day it was when I was in line for

0:37:42that for like an hour and a half he always miss the crazy good friday have

0:37:47to fly out at like 1 p.m. yep same you do that to yourself I put my book my

0:37:52tickets the entire day to prepare my mind and body

0:37:57you stay on the front and yes I don't wanna say the extra night and I for the

0:38:03love of all that's good and holy I did not want to do a red-eye yeah I would

0:38:06never do read i believe i won I want all my flights to be a noon

0:38:12that's the way it's not always possible but that's what I'm shooting for the

0:38:16entire day is just dedicated

0:38:18travel and I don't want to wake up early in the morning so David Smith just put

0:38:22in the chat room conte's my best friend he just said that WTF the original WWDC

0:38:27alerts this is the unpaid completely free one was around 9,000 that's

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0:42:38so before we leave the WBC topic are either of you two gentlemen going to go

0:42:45if you don't get a ticket like John you said in all likelihood you'll probably

0:42:49take off the time but you'll probably stay at home I can't justify going if I

0:42:56don't get what I do for the week like although like you said that like one of

0:43:00the reasons that I am actually going is that I do have interactions with people

0:43:03outside the sessions but it's mostly so that I can have a dedicated time where

0:43:10there's no distractions and no other demands on my time I'm just there to

0:43:14attend sessions and secondarily at a close second is if after a session is

0:43:19over I just need one thing clarified its not clear from the notes the guy who

0:43:24gave the presentation is at the front of the room and I can go ask him and then

0:43:27third is the thing that people you meet outside and everything like and that's

0:43:33definitely true as well but like from for business purposes I guess later

0:43:37research purposes it depends on her meeting with i guess i meeting with big

0:43:42fancy people in super secret that yeah I get a lot of value out of those meetings

0:43:47but I know I can't bank on that I can't guarantee that I'm gonna have a private

0:43:50meeting with Tim Cook going on there so you can but I want me so I wouldn't go

0:43:55there with no ticket hoping that it just happened to catch you know craig Venter

0:44:00et on the steps of moscow me and benazir for 50 minutes because that's probably

0:44:04not going to happen and i cant you know I'd like more importantly liked how can

0:44:08I justify it as a business expense for the purpose of writing my review if i

0:44:14dont even have a ticket so it's kind of bogus oh yeah if I don't get a ticket

0:44:17and i cant for Nicola ticket through whatever crazy please somebody out there

0:44:22any type of system then artists and watch the videos

0:44:26yeah I don't know what I would do i mean i hopefully we won't have to think about

0:44:31this cuz will get tickets but if I don't get a ticket I might have a higher

0:44:39chance of going based on what you get out but I still working I wouldn't say

0:44:46right now yes we definitely have a hotel reservation because it's totally

0:44:51refundable

0:44:52but I haven't the plane yet because like I'm not going to book a flight I'll pay

0:44:57the extra couple hundred bucks that whatever the prices raised to tomorrow

0:44:59if I get the ticket rather than buy the plane ticket today on the off chance I

0:45:05don't get a ticket tomorrow we should tell everyone about that because I think

0:45:07that was a good three-way triumph of all of us having the wherewithal and guts to

0:45:12actually buy our hotel tickets a month ahead of time everybody on March yeah I

0:45:20forgot who initiated that but like you always hear that you can always look at

0:45:23the schedule and and ballpark and you can tell you it's probably going to be

0:45:26like this week like every year that's been the case where you can look at that

0:45:29but it's one thing to look at the schedule and know that it's another

0:45:32thing to actually pull the trigger get the tickets but like to point out like

0:45:35you know it's a refundable 24 hours at a time so there's no risk in doing it

0:45:40except if it's some sort of hotel that has an annoying website that makes

0:45:44refunds annoying or you don't have any confidence that they're going to quickly

0:45:47process that are going to ShopRite stuff you go if you have a good hotel with a

0:45:51reasonable websites worth doing and then you know so that we had our hotel

0:45:55reservations a month in advance and are actually were actually cheaper than even

0:45:59the Apple special reserving a block of rooms for you rates for so long and so

0:46:05to answer the question I asked if the two of you I don't know what I'm going

0:46:09to do if in when I don't get a ticket I have already established over fetal for

0:46:14about three or four days but a part of me thinks it's worth going to network

0:46:18it's worth going to see people to see the david smith's and and the Jim

0:46:23Dalrymple the world and in certainly to see Marco or John or whoever is out

0:46:28there but I don't know if I would go for the whole week our good friend David

0:46:33Smith friend of show David Smith has said he's going on I believe he's

0:46:36intending to go for the whole week I don't know what I'm gonna do and I'm

0:46:40such a wimp in so indecisive I can't figure out what I'm gonna do but maybe

0:46:45mark when I maybe we'll commiserate maybe we'll celebrate on her now but we

0:46:49do believe you do the whole like I guess the only advantage that you could you

0:46:52could stay out all night which is not my thing even if that's your thing you can

0:46:55do that then sleep during the day to get a precise

0:46:58like that I guess if you just wanna go in like socializes people that I don't

0:47:03if you're you wouldn't be getting anything done getting much done from a

0:47:07business perspective unless you're going there to try to like I need a partner

0:47:11for my new venture or I'm trying to you know recruited designer to help me and i

0:47:15wanna talk to people and meet you like maybe I guess I am the wrong person to

0:47:19ask about what kind of business you can get a social interactions but I unless

0:47:27you have money for 12 years and you don't have any of these nights a week of

0:47:30vacation time if you have a job and this is not part of your job you know that's

0:47:35what else could use that week for what else could use that thousands and

0:47:38thousands of dollars for you know it's a tough call you know you're absolutely

0:47:42right but if it now this isn't oranges oranges comparison but if I wasn't at

0:47:48WBC was a 2011 and then firstly I wouldn't have met you and secondly I

0:47:53wouldn't have been there with Marco and Merlin and a friend of mine Eric sure to

0:47:57buy you a toaster so there's something to be said for these social interactions

0:48:02important I was one day they like I know a lot of people who are I don't get

0:48:06tickets to go but up for the whole week and that makes sense to be there for

0:48:09like the keynote excitement and the few your range but your range with people

0:48:14like oh we should go out tonight and then we should do other people

0:48:16prevention got the next night you know and then you see the few people you

0:48:19gonna see and then you're out of there well that's why I'm saying maybe I

0:48:22wouldn't go for a whole week making this up and maybe I'd go you know arrived

0:48:26Sunday stay there Monday Tuesday and fly back Wednesday or something like that

0:48:31tired just thinking about it and once again the thought of you know seeing all

0:48:39these wonderful people who you love make you feel exhausted you may be an

0:48:43introvert I'm excited I I really hope I'm in the morning about the more I feel

0:48:49like if I didn't have a ticket I would I would probably still go but I thought I

0:48:54think it would suck you know because most conferences like South by Southwest

0:48:58is a joke you know like the sessions habit of us are terrible the

0:49:03you know that they're mostly panels were people just read Twitter and BS their

0:49:07way through and it's just as an audience member it's it's pretty hard it's pretty

0:49:11unusual to be an ass happens happens session that was worth your time they do

0:49:16exist but they're certainly the minority and so that but that conference all

0:49:21about drinking and partying and socializing and so if you're going to

0:49:25happen Southwest ticket you'll still get almost all of the value of that

0:49:29conference but wEDC for me at least is not that way it mean it does have

0:49:36drinking and partying but for me that the great value of that conference is

0:49:41the sessions and and even the socializing happens in moscow me like

0:49:45that I get usually that's a good point

0:49:48get more socializing done in like the chair areas of Moscone between sessions

0:49:54or like if there's one scheduled Kapoor nothing really that great I'll go sit

0:49:58down and no answer emails stuff and talk to peter out there and you want to know

0:50:01why because you can actually hear people right exactly like a social environment

0:50:05of yelling at a bar by everyone's drunk is really not that you're not going to

0:50:12get the best of all the device for your favorite 2013 drinks like radio get tips

0:50:18and rumors and you have the best trash talker but like that's the thing I'm out

0:50:22of a session like you know some session about scroll using something and you're

0:50:26just sitting next to someone who you want to talk to or you see someone in

0:50:30three rows away when you come out a session that's the perfect opportunity

0:50:32to discuss ScrollView performance with a developer who you're lucky enough to

0:50:38meet in real life because that's in the front of their mind whereas if you call

0:50:42them in a bar later want to discuss preview performance taking to be like

0:50:44it's not the time for that now you know right it's a time for beer and and

0:50:50trash-talking whoever you want to trash talk at that time

0:50:52during you know complaining about Apple are you know a preview of whatever all

0:50:56the other things you do as well but there is something to be said for like

0:50:59it's like an academic type contacts where you're learning about your craft

0:51:03and your business and that's valuable in like you know I'm

0:51:07people ask me why I go because I'm not developing an application but you know I

0:51:11go for my review obviously but if you're actually making an application nice to

0:51:15meet so many developers with iOS and Mac her like this one session has made this

0:51:20entire thing worth it for me because now my god I can't wait to I can't wait to

0:51:24grab my laptop running back down to chair and implement this thing they just

0:51:27showed because gonna make my life so much easier and I never realized that

0:51:30there was so much better way to do this you know and as long as it's not an icon

0:51:34session that usually turns out pretty well for the developer site so I'm sorry

0:51:40I prolong the WBC talked for a long time and I feel like we're probably good here

0:51:44and so you'll see via Twitter whether or not any of the three of us got tickets

0:51:49and I'm sure if if i dont all the complaining and moaning like the like a

0:51:54baby for weeks so let's hope let's hope for the good of the nation and the world

0:52:00that I actually scored if we don't get tickets case it was a cynical hang out

0:52:03together and stared QuickTime videos

0:52:05synchronized you might be joking I'm all in the split screen mode both watching

0:52:12the same session at the same time laying in bed again you think you might be

0:52:17joking but I'm not gonna the funny thing is I would actually be fairly productive

0:52:20dislike arranged like an East Coast meet up for level one week in August and

0:52:28watch the video has backed such as well go to the army compound there you go

0:52:33that's that's true the guest houses right mark estate something like that

0:52:41the only thing is it's actually Marco is in the middle of the three of us but

0:52:45what do you like two or three hours from John and eight from me

0:52:48generous I'm Way closer to your funny living down there

0:52:54of seventy mile per hour speed limit roads in your state so much West right

0:52:59now I know it's here to Virginia

0:53:04in the real virginia also consider that anybody in West Virginia has right now

0:53:11probably not I mean let's be realistic but also consider we're not a state

0:53:16where Commonwealth of Massachusetts differences it's just the residents can

0:53:23say that two people seriously so we can be obnoxious like that exactly like the

0:53:27hipsters you would your state's yeah we were commonwealths before you even

0:53:32states anyway we talked about tonight are we done we can do like another 20

0:53:39minutes so if you want do you want to talk about why I think the earnings

0:53:44thing has a couple of interesting things about it but not not a whole lot first

0:53:48of all I'm glad that the stock price didn't totally just planet it seems to

0:53:54have stayed roughly the same which is itself into an embarrassing level but I

0:53:59was expecting du mir because you know we've talked about in the past and I've

0:54:03learned a lot about how I think I think Apple is kind of stuck in this in this

0:54:08rush of extremely negative momentum in the public eye and then especially in

0:54:14the press but I hear it from regular people too so it's it's certainly

0:54:18getting out there and you know I have to think like they're probably like people

0:54:25are going to be crapping on Apple publicly and expressing doom and and

0:54:30pessimism about the company and its products and its future I was thinking

0:54:34that would be like a year or two long cycle and i was thinkin also you know

0:54:40that this is not investment advice of a qualified but one of the reasons why is

0:54:43sold all my Apple shares back whenever it was january february

0:54:48like four sixty-something and one of the reasons why oh is it was like soon after

0:54:54the holiday earnings call and the stock took a dive on that call and I realized

0:54:59you know how the earnings are great usually it and they worry it's always

0:55:05the highest quarter of the year and so I figure that's probably the best news

0:55:10they're going to announce for a long time possibly the whole year at least as

0:55:14far as the market is concerned

0:55:16and so I figure if the stock took a dive and was probably their best news day of

0:55:20the year I don't think I wanna holder for the rest of the year and so far has

0:55:25proven to be fairly good a fairly good theory it's panned out but you know with

0:55:30this I was thinking like the quarter after holiday earnings is always kind of

0:55:35soft and will be here we we've been hearing all these rumors about how it

0:55:39was they were having a lower demand expected and they were possibly having

0:55:44an oversupply of components and I mean it sounded bad likely to notice the

0:55:50rumors were pretty bad and then they release their earnings and they're

0:55:53actually pretty decent and you know it's not like the holiday quarter but they

0:55:57beat their own guidance as they usually do and anti-wall Street didn't seem

0:56:03disappointed by it day this was a different corner where they were saying

0:56:06we're not going to give you the guidance they were guaranteed to be this time

0:56:09we're giving you a range and we say we're gonna fall within that range and

0:56:13just above the fact they were stuck in that range would be making me think

0:56:17about was an analyst like alright rhonda your game gave us you still give us an

0:56:22estimate that you knew you could be putting our could be the disease had you

0:56:25know better things that I dunno I just did you know it was just kind of like a

0:56:28watch but the thing about that idea that Apple is like doom and gloom about out

0:56:34but I feel like the entire industry in some respects not so much doom and gloom

0:56:37that's prob like in a holding pattern because we said we notice Apple these

0:56:41things but take a look at the Samsung Galaxy s4 reviews yet I really mediocre

0:56:45right and and and so the st. it's the same attitude is basically from

0:56:50consumers and from the market who cares about the market what have you done for

0:56:53me lately exactly iPhone iPad and even like Samsung the shining star oh no the

0:56:59same thing with Samsung what have you done for me

0:57:01Samsung's Galaxy s3 out of galaxy s4 is the s4 you know so much better than

0:57:08yesterday and they like I guess it's another samsung galaxy phone and got a

0:57:12bunch of things in there but they're not all that awesome and like they're in a

0:57:16brawl in a holding pattern because everybody with the next big thing you

0:57:19know that's why every keeps talking a stupid i watch something to be talking

0:57:23about and i dont the entire tech industries in that holding power

0:57:27turn to say what's going to be the next big thing even if the next breakout

0:57:30thing is oh my god iPad sales are doing a hockey stick and they're going out of

0:57:34control and so many people are excited about Apple again in the news again that

0:57:39could be it too bad but everybody is like there's no company that's like

0:57:42Apple's just kind of like boring and not really grown like he used to but Sam's I

0:57:47got excited now simpson's got another phone and so you know I have another

0:57:50phone and Samsung have nothing do you think you know Samsung gonna come out

0:57:54with its you know Galaxy watches that going to be the exciting things that

0:57:57everybody is just kind of like all right and that was ridiculously punished for

0:58:02you know burning so brightly before and now it's like re will you be punished by

0:58:06the market and you have to go into the corner and stay there right but it's not

0:58:10as if there is someone else

0:58:12sweeping past them to be the new darling of the industry that everyone is pinning

0:58:15their hopes and dreams honor stock prices going up you know 500 X and over

0:58:19the course of two years you know there there is no equivalent to everyone is

0:58:22just kind of sitting there you know cross arms saying hi what have you done

0:58:26for me lately and it could be true that this entire year goes by and no one does

0:58:30anything for those customers with their hands folded but I have listened to the

0:58:33audio then call you a better at some transcripts and I think Tim Cook was

0:58:36making some pants in that direction of like we might have some entering new

0:58:42categories and we're not gonna give you any time lines will he did give a

0:58:45timeline he basically said I mean it in a different comment hehe but he

0:58:49basically said was we're gonna be releasing new stuff this fall and next

0:58:54year so the implication was don't expect much between now and this fall at all he

0:59:01would say is we will have new stuff in the Holocaust stuff in the fall I mean

0:59:05like obviously if he's not going to be any more specific than new stop to be

0:59:08like oh well but he was firm enough on that though that I think what that means

0:59:13is all those rumors about there being an iPhone 5s in the spring that's all crap

0:59:18you know that's that's probably not going to happen I i think is comments

0:59:21made it very clear and I think I think Gruber said to is kind of like like

0:59:26setting expectations for what's going to be announced between now and WBC like

0:59:31there's

0:59:31don't expect a whole lot and was interesting also is that the press

0:59:36release this morning

0:59:37for the BBC confirmed with a quote from Phil that that at WTC we will have new

0:59:44versions of iOS and Mac OS and developers hands so that's that he

0:59:50cannot write and said that so we're gonna see ten anyone doubt that well

0:59:55we've heard rumors that end I was being delayed delayed but you're gonna have

1:00:00you know some version of it if its GNE want to be like I when I was 5 was

1:00:09released today in the thing didn't work that well I wanna put on my phone yeah i

1:00:16know i will never let me forget that I think I also put I was 5 my phone it was

1:00:23a mistake

1:00:249:59 is GM's at WBC and you don't get a ticket John and I don't get a ticket

1:00:30doesn't mean we don't hang out we don't get on Google hang out together

1:00:35be too busy tonight to watch the video I don't know what that that's that's the

1:00:43problem like if that happened like all the Realtek sites with it was like the

1:00:47people who write every day for us their job would have 10 9 reviews up in like a

1:00:51day or two and I would not be like months and months and it wouldn't be

1:00:57like for me taking you know three months to write something it isn't three months

1:01:02better than someone who wrote there in two days is just not so that's all fine

1:01:07if I take my three months before the real-estate and other views arrived on

1:01:10that you don't care how long it took me right but I don't think I'm gonna wait

1:01:14for the amount of time you saw you wonder how long I'll be able to spend on

1:01:18my review of your review should I write a review of your review of his you know

1:01:23I think that might have been my highest traffic post 2012 hotels and yeah I was

1:01:31obviously and now you have like to have your number to have all the all the many

1:01:40people linked to your the second I am really

1:01:43Google very upset

1:01:45mind you that's hilarious number one it for a while sorry that wasn't our know

1:01:59you but nurses in the title to my name is not know your name is on the title so

1:02:04rest assured the people not having trouble finding their view yeah that's

1:02:15right so anything else about earnings are worth is where things to like you

1:02:20know people who are expecting things earlier than that like new laptops or

1:02:24anything

1:02:24look at the look at Intel's roadmap for what they would put into laptops or Mac

1:02:29Pros or IMAX and looks like everything basically waiting on as well right now

1:02:33but as far as I know how likely coming out until third quarter right you know

1:02:38the the Apple Intel magic of them getting stuff like not even ahead so

1:02:44much just like the fact the first day of the quarter they can happen and well

1:02:48ahead of schedule is exactly what he said would be we've given a preferential

1:02:52treatment and they're able to arrange it so they can have their stuff out exactly

1:02:56as the stuff arrives anybody on there still is not even

1:03:00yeah right now we're still the the current the EF five series and the e3

1:03:05series is Sandy Bridge EP but then they there's an e3 v2 line which I guess is

1:03:12looking to service I totally missed this it's basically the Ivy Bridge EP version

1:03:18but it's just single processor there's no there's no dual processor versions of

1:03:21the snowy 5-4 as I can tell that yet

1:03:24well honestly like my favorite CPU right now for servers that the best bang for

1:03:31buck like that I can get on a server right now is the e3 1270 totally it's

1:03:37important I'm totally on board with a single processor Nunzia on Mac Pro

1:03:42replacing machine because if you can have it if you can get a clock higher

1:03:45than you can get earlier than his yawn as other possible advantages you know in

1:03:50terms of packaging and power consumption i turn my nose up at that

1:03:54I would prefer Xeon and all the other you know he's here and all that crazy

1:03:58crap that we should not pay for but we do but like you know better I'll take

1:04:04what I can get

1:04:05yeah I mean even like my current Mac Pro might might you know put new program 22

1:04:112010 generation it's a single socket because the single socket CPU it's it's

1:04:16the sex acts 3.33 gigahertz one and that for almost every type of workflow is

1:04:21faster than the ones who do not like the old days where you had a single CPU that

1:04:27meant you had a single thread of execution that's right they all die con

1:04:31tu Corazon them and it's like well you just have one CPU or RAM slots at this

1:04:36point and and so like you know if if they made an epiphany generation a Mac

1:04:40Pro only has one socket in in any configuration that she wouldn't be that

1:04:45bad because the single socket Xeons now are so good that although it did you

1:04:53make a heck of a lot of profit of the bigger ones though but I don't know

1:04:56we'll see I i certainly think that my next Mac Pro after this assuming it

1:05:02still uses eons is probably still gonna be a single socket one and I bet it to

1:05:07be true for a whole lot of buyers would spring for the double it wasn't like add

1:05:11another CPU for $2000 like it's not ridiculous like it would be about it

1:05:16would be at like at least 1,500 and it would be lower clock and look at the

1:05:19prices because that's all that's all Intel really look at the prices now I

1:05:22have to I had to think about it hard because like it's not as not as if it's

1:05:26not as if this is a value if I can calculate all I really I don't need this

1:05:31you know I don't like its binding machine once every five years damnit I

1:05:35wanted to be the big beefy one that I'll just have to decide do I think that

1:05:39really is the big if you want because you know like I said it probably would

1:05:42be lower clock to get up there are too many variables plane as we just want

1:05:47something called the Mac Pro whatever it is something that's not an iMac

1:05:51something that's not a laptop on a Mac Mini and that's really really didn't

1:05:56didn't cook say last year that sometime during 2013 they would have something

1:06:01that will make the customer side of what he said was later next

1:06:06year so the later applies to but that certainly does correspond well to the

1:06:12next iteration of the Xeons

1:06:15beyond that I mean if he just said in in so many words that there's not going to

1:06:19be anything until the fall

1:06:21it sounds like he's run out of time and he shouldn't say he Apple's running out

1:06:25of time I don't think anyone does like seven people waiting for the answer to

1:06:29that question of you are very very 12 but when he was actually referring to is

1:06:36like you know whatever I get calls like possibly entering a new product category

1:06:43whatever that means it means something more exciting than a new iPhone iPad Mac

1:06:48that's that's but yes and you know anyone that produces enough excitement

1:06:54to cause any sort of market bond that's like alright well that's what we all

1:06:58aspect that's when you're right time that is what we're waiting for but we're

1:07:01gonna sit here with their arms folded until we get the best thing and so well

1:07:06one thing that was also really interesting from the call was a number

1:07:09of iPads sold and and this was this was crazy basically they sold like

1:07:13nineteen-point something million iPads and that was more than they sold in the

1:07:18holiday quarter that makes sense because if you look at all looking at a Cinco

1:07:23para state used graphs VVIP if you look at all whenever he overlays them so you

1:07:29can just see it like let's just put each products beginning of each product

1:07:32introduction and pin them to the you know the zero on the x-axis and you look

1:07:37at the slopes of the very scared like here's how the iPad took off and here's

1:07:40how the Mac the coffin here's how the iPhone took off the iPad always had the

1:07:44steepest slope like boiling over small the absolute values are pretty high but

1:07:48it's like boy the iPad is taking off much deeper than the iPhone the iPhone

1:07:52to go much deeper than the iPod and Mac is just no way back it's a gradual

1:07:56ramp-up nothing so yeah it's not it's not a surprise that the iPad continues

1:08:01to rack up like that and that's kind of like the wild card which if you want to

1:08:06be optimistic but Apple is where is the ceiling on iPad sales because it is so

1:08:14capable of replacing a PC for so many people become more capable in time

1:08:19you know and they'll keep driving the price down and we're just kind of just

1:08:24getting off the ground like we're a trip like the the iPhone 3G s stage of the

1:08:27iPad right now you know I mean like we got to the one and only got them on its

1:08:31faster and cooler but its fatter and now we got the mini but we're now waiting

1:08:35for the big 12 shrink like we are not even once the iPad it's like the iPhone

1:08:40four stage and an iPhone 5 and behind I think there is tremendous potential for

1:08:46these things as not as PC replacement basically not you have this instead of a

1:08:52PC but for people who never had a PC before this will get them in the door

1:08:56for people who do have a PC they're going to buy this is a companion stopped

1:08:59using their PC as much and we're nowhere close to the CIA vs the phone market

1:09:04where it's like the competitors are locked in a deadly battle and you know

1:09:09the number of non smartphones is dwindling I think they were they just

1:09:13crossed 50% smart on smartphones and unless there is not there is not dislike

1:09:17ridiculous upside rely go by this time next year there will be seven texts many

1:09:22smartphones sold at that time is over but that time is not over for the iPad

1:09:26so you know there's this thing is there's no competitors in the tablet

1:09:31market are not making a dent in the iPad so far so that's not true buchanan

1:09:37candles well well yeah I mean everyone else does so you have to come to nobody

1:09:44and nobody knows how much they've really sold do they mean everyone the market

1:09:49share grassroots like you know Android vs iPhone and Android is like 50

1:09:54something percent and iPhone is like 20 like it's every time you say tablets

1:09:58like Apple has like 70 or 80 depending on who's counting what will but i think

1:10:02is steadily going down I think it used to be Apple had like 85 to 90 and then

1:10:07you know it's been slowly creeping down now it's like 79 like it's

1:10:12they still have obviously a dominant hold on and

1:10:14think that's up its ok for that to go on and win the overall size of the market

1:10:17is going up so rapidly

1:10:19right okay to be like I think of the king of the iPod the iPod hovered around

1:10:2470 for a long time and that was just plain fun seventy was considered

1:10:28dominant because like other plus random you know competitors only gonna have

1:10:32like 30 percent of something but everyone you know you want to buy music

1:10:35players can get an iPod and it really does that look as you have been over

1:10:38everyone kind of assume that the iPod was like pretty much the only game in

1:10:41town I think if I think if you look at an out there was there was pegged the

1:10:44number and 70 something it wasn't you know wasn't this done as you would think

1:10:48of it because we never would consider it feels like 110 people buying besides

1:10:51iPod wouldn't even know where to go for such a thing but you know those things

1:10:56probably were like you know number one and number two is likes like 1% I know

1:11:01cuz it's like they're so many entries in that it was the the second plurality or

1:11:07something I don't know I don't know math I'm just a programmer III think it's

1:11:15it's also worth pointing out based on what he said about smartphones market

1:11:18and everything that that we have crossed an important threshold in the industry

1:11:24and and I don't think in the end she knows it yet so I'm going to announce it

1:11:27here

1:11:28big news you heard it here first my mother just purchased her first

1:11:33smartphone really how much how much prompting from you I told her not to get

1:11:38on actually I didn't want to support that and her needs for like she had she

1:11:45has a MacBook Air and loves it she had an iMac an iBook before that she

1:11:50actually figured out the computer pretty well I was I was pleasantly surprised

1:11:54she's really really non-technical I was pleasantly surprised by how well she

1:11:58doesn't computer but I told her you don't need an iPad and you don't need a

1:12:02smartphone because I know what she does and doesn't do for the most part and you

1:12:06know just

1:12:08and she she abused our phones and just get whatever cheap food fun you can get

1:12:13so she's had the phone for years she just got her first smartphone against my

1:12:17advice can you guess what phone she got a gal casino free iPhone 4

1:12:25John you are you are correct

1:12:28even though I told her she was she was visiting here we know might shoot

1:12:33visiting my library of old iPhones in my house a couple of weeks ago a month ago

1:12:38and and I showed her academic here's the iPhone 4 here's the iPhone 5 and ensure

1:12:43the for SBS who cares I knew she wouldn't care but the difference here is

1:12:48the four years the five and I told her specifically do not get the free one the

1:12:53one that even a hundred bucks more is way better because the forehead so much

1:12:59better than the four and I sort of the five and look for 200 you can get this

1:13:04one it is way better than even the middle one and you know trust me this is

1:13:09this is the right now try and push it will finally get the 16 gig that you the

1:13:12cheapest one trust me get that it's great and if you if you don't wanna

1:13:17spend 200 bucks at least been there before us do not get the iPhone four she

1:13:22goes against the iPhone 4 and called me like afterwards and hey guess what I and

1:13:28she kept saying it was free I know you told me to do it but this one was free

1:13:33and it was so nice batteries it was so powerful that that's why this really

1:13:40really matters a lot to have that in in the free category mean it matter so much

1:13:46that you know people are thinking about the plan costs over time or you know how

1:13:52how you can just spend a hundred bucks over this $2,000 phone contracts 100

1:13:58bucks more have way better device the whole time cuz she's actually actually

1:14:01will keep it the whole two years I she's not gonna upgrade earlier and you think

1:14:05so it's just so judge I have I'm still rocking my for us because I'm too cheap

1:14:11to get a new one every year the forest is a decent phone and today's standards

1:14:15it's it's a heavy big brick but it's decent

1:14:19Apple 2013 to-do list you know to

1:14:24add more variety for this phone line up like make a purpose-built low cost you

1:14:30know free phone instead of having the old one because I think you can get a

1:14:33better phone out for similar costs and similar margins than just three doing

1:14:38that maybe I'm wrong about you can tell you that manufactures double like think

1:14:41of how much better you would feel if she was getting a free phone with exactly

1:14:45the same power and specs as the iPhone 4 but like not an actual iPhone 4 like

1:14:50made a purpose-built thing made with old technology but in newer phone

1:14:55plastic shell crab people like you do have the technology now to make a better

1:15:02phone that may be used I Shrunk origins of components maybe you can make a

1:15:05little bit smaller and lighter maybe you can bump up the margin a little bit you

1:15:08know I know what they want to keep making the same phone you got the

1:15:11assembly lines going you got the parts going it so you're in a group the cost

1:15:14of everything is going way way down but there's that certain point where like

1:15:18you know remember when USB one started become more expensive than USB to there

1:15:22was a cross like if you actually wanted to put USB one on your motherboard and

1:15:28your computer you will end up paying more because everybody when you have old

1:15:31ram and you want to upgrade like you know if you still have some of the uses

1:15:34DDR two and you know trying to find that nowadays is that extreme but like I

1:15:41think there is definitely a case to be made for it even if only just a

1:15:44marketing perspective so you don't you're getting an old home but some

1:15:48people do the same knows it sold the iPhone 4 like that before in the forest

1:15:52looking the same probably helps in this regard but like I would feel bad if I

1:15:58was Apple that people are out there today coming home with a new phone that

1:16:02is just as old as the iPhone 4 I'd rather than coming over the phone with

1:16:05similar power but maybe better battery life may be slightly better screen like

1:16:09maybe maybe yes maybe no class on the back like all the things you can do to

1:16:14like make a plastic make it more durable for people who you know are not gonna be

1:16:18as precious about their phones right there I don't know how they make it work

1:16:23financially in terms of making the same phone

1:16:26cheaper vs making new one but the power of free with contract to usne whether or

1:16:31not

1:16:32elsewhere I would really like to see them do that and come out with a line of

1:16:37phones with the same sort of the same price points for a $99 $2.99 and then

1:16:41respond but not have a series of office supplies have been like are you just

1:16:47getting the old phone you know that there's something about that that makes

1:16:52me feel like they're they're not they're leaving the living money and reputation

1:16:55on the table by continuing to cell phones and that's far and so the

1:16:59previous one fine but don't go back like two models three models I mean I guess I

1:17:03think like you know think about the tech world think about what you were doing

1:17:07and what else was around when the iPhone 4 came out you know that the iPhone 4

1:17:11came out a few months after the iPad 141 think nobody wanted a pet 11 tonight at

1:17:19this point you can't like any pressure to give them away like their children

1:17:23turn their noses up at the games so you know it cannot read for the iPad won by

1:17:30a few months and like it was in 2010 I was still a tumblr when that when the

1:17:35iPhone 4 came out and just thinking about how long we've had Retina screen

1:17:40like now it seems like we've always had written the screen on our phones maybe

1:17:44not everything else but our phones of course with screens know it's been since

1:17:482010 which was almost three years ago and I just can't believe there's people

1:17:55now getting a for devices with crappy home buns and questionable antenna

1:18:00designs but more RAM you know make it an 84 make it shrink it may be slightly

1:18:08higher clock and double the RAM and then all of a sudden it's not as embarrassing

1:18:11anymore is not as not as much a pain for software developers who have to deal

1:18:16with this I mean it's just so it's a much better for everyone involved then

1:18:19you probably wouldn't care that much to your mom got the iPhone 3G model was

1:18:23like oh well it's not that easy I disagree because what do you think the

1:18:27likelihood is that the iPhone 4 will run iOS 7 when it comes as a pressure I

1:18:34peace

1:18:35well but as a developer and care if there's no selling August like last year

1:18:42they were still selling 3G S's until the iPhone 5 came out well that's why I said

1:18:47double the RAM because like it ran like that's why multitasking couldn't go on

1:18:51the other phones CPU power in GPR power keeps you out of games and stuff but I

1:18:56think it probably passed the point now where they're adding OS features that

1:18:59can run because the CPU constraints always Rambis it's still relatively RAM

1:19:03starved and there's no getting around that is nothing you can do to optimize

1:19:06your code to like the OS is taking up a bigger portion of RAM you have less left

1:19:11over for you never know how you optimize your stuff you can't fix the LSO that's

1:19:16you know the forest its 2203 jess was even worse

1:19:21around for that long is just the RAM levels was like for the three judges

1:19:26have won 28 to 21 28 and then you know knows 23669 ok see ya like 512 one gig

1:19:35like if you look at the the ramp things they're doubling right and we're not out

1:19:38of the uncomfortable part we're still and you know even with the one gig you

1:19:42feel like I run a big game that could be pushing up against the edge there one

1:19:47witness took us back in that regard a little bit of everything start taking

1:19:50all the testers never think they're taking away more RAM four times I'm not

1:19:54even talking about adding swap find that still no swap we're still ok with that

1:19:59because we don't we don't realize that you know the promise constraints of the

1:20:03reason for that right but always get out of the woods we go through two or three

1:20:07more Dublin periods I'm gonna be like all right there's nothing they're going

1:20:10to do with the OS and any one individual out that's going to hose you know to get

1:20:16a four gig phone and then your mom has a four gig phone even if that phone is

1:20:22three years old you like four gigs it'll be fun but I can't I can't I don't know

1:20:25what they could add that will make a four gig phones out don't get that one

1:20:29doesn't have enough RAM to run the OS two basic apps I want to wrap it up

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1:21:34john Kasay

1:21:39because it was accidental

1:21:42and you can t be L A T Marco

1:22:22is my choice in that I feel like I'm subconsciously making my boy

1:22:27synthetically deep because there's an audience now as though there wasn't an

1:22:31audience before well maybe it feels more real now seriously done everything KK

1:22:37see myself coming to this episode

1:22:43lubricated let's just say I had an after work function where I might have had a

1:22:49drink or two and I definitely have some of my what we call the the coffee the

1:22:55fussy coffee I fussy vodka

1:22:57what exactly you mean I know this is probably not relevant to the show but

1:23:01who cares what exactly is fussy vodka I don't think there is really such a thing

1:23:05it's just a vodka that you have to special order from our local so so the

1:23:10to get alcohol in Virginia to go to an ABC store which is a state-run thing and

1:23:16so in order to get this particular bottle of IKF to special order it and

1:23:22that's what I've done so it's marginally fussy I guess I'm not a coffee drinker

1:23:29so it's the next best thing right now I'm John I'm curious do you have fussy

1:23:33water water gets is I let the tap run and tell you know this the water that's

1:23:41been sitting in the pipes and kind of going up to room temperature runs out a

1:23:45little bit colder water losses against fantastic so I guess you wanna start the

1:23:53show it maybe this is the show already now this is not the show