The Accidental Tech Podcast

10: Gradual Ramp Up To Nothing


00:00:00   right so last episode I mentioned that at my alma mater which is Virginia Tech [TS]

00:00:07   they have been requiring tablets for a while and when I say tablets I don't [TS]

00:00:13   mean iPads I mean honest to god that was awful Microsoft quasi computers not the [TS]

00:00:18   surface like the real old Microsoft tablets and so I got some feedback I got [TS]

00:00:24   some from just graduated recently graduated student alan fuller and I got [TS]

00:00:28   some from somebody who is associated with the teaching part of the college [TS]

00:00:32   Joseph G [TS]

00:00:35   region very small excerpt of what Joseph said he said I teach electrical [TS]

00:00:38   engineering and I can tell you that most of the students here heat those required [TS]

00:00:43   tablet PCs that they are all required to buy more expensive and less capable the [TS]

00:00:48   purposes for everything to be submitted electronically but it failed so [TS]

00:00:51   spectacularly at this that I have died just have them print everything and [TS]

00:00:56   submit hard copies I suspect half of them are browsing Facebook during class [TS]

00:00:59   anyway and I thought that was kind of interesting and and in different that [TS]

00:01:04   here it is the school if you ask me was trying to be progressive and say let's [TS]

00:01:09   do this wild thing with these tablets and as it turns out apparently everyone [TS]

00:01:13   hates him anyway which is of no great surprise but I thought it was [TS]

00:01:15   interesting I think it's a disease to like I mean I think we are all [TS]

00:01:20   especially John we're all old enough that we we didn't really have computers [TS]

00:01:27   really that prevalent in classrooms when we were in college and certainly high [TS]

00:01:31   school I don't they do that in high school yet but you know we didn't have [TS]

00:01:34   they do make not everybody was having laptops on their desk in college when we [TS]

00:01:38   were there is a fair for you also Casey I know it's fair for john has like 50 we [TS]

00:01:44   did not have laptops in in high school when I was in high school however the [TS]

00:01:49   school in which my wife teaches actually made national news many many years ago [TS]

00:01:52   because I like 10 years ago because they used to have called the MacBooks before [TS]

00:01:59   their Matt I box they they used to have I books and they sold them for $50 a pop [TS]

00:02:03   after they've been used by like middle schoolers for a couple years [TS]

00:02:06   and they sold them at the Richmond International Raceway the NASCAR track [TS]

00:02:09   and apparently there were like stampedes in order to yeah that's that's that's [TS]

00:02:14   the school district in which aaron teaches so how about that but to this [TS]

00:02:18   day they have really crummy Dell's that all the kids get issued and from what I [TS]

00:02:23   understand it's a double-edged sword I can't imagine getting anything like [TS]

00:02:26   paying attention just go to school at all if I was in high school with a [TS]

00:02:30   laptop with an Internet connection without internet just I paid just how I [TS]

00:02:35   would you ever pay attention to class right I mean like I remember that there [TS]

00:02:38   was in my senior year of college we had one class that wasn't a brand new lab [TS]

00:02:44   with all these Linux desktops and I spent so much time playing same know and [TS]

00:02:50   browsing the internet and not not at all paying attention in class and I was [TS]

00:02:55   lucky that even being a computer science student most of the classrooms didn't [TS]

00:03:00   have computers and they just like regular classrooms with desks and you [TS]

00:03:03   would take notes if you were a good student or you would stare at the wall [TS]

00:03:06   at me and the idea of like having those I i would not have some control and I [TS]

00:03:12   would imagine if I i no i didnt want when I had the opportunity senior year I [TS]

00:03:17   didn't have that self-control and I looked around the room and no one else [TS]

00:03:20   to him and I have to imagine that's probably gonna be a pretty common [TS]

00:03:26   problem as computers infiltrate and become [TS]

00:03:29   probably already are everyday items now in college classrooms the problem of the [TS]

00:03:34   Virginia Tech things it's like a mini tell effect where a school thanks our [TS]

00:03:39   technology and you know this is the next big thing and the mistake they make is [TS]

00:03:43   saying and that not just that we're gonna require another computer or this [TS]

00:03:46   year are required at this computer but like they think they're gonna do they're [TS]

00:03:50   gonna do it like they do with desks like we've decided that this is the best ask [TS]

00:03:53   for our school and got this job on this site and has this place fear books and [TS]

00:03:57   we're gonna order 500 I'm gonna use it for the next twenty years and so they [TS]

00:04:01   decided to whatever you know this little flip around screen tablet PC thing [TS]

00:04:04   that's the future and they just went with it and they expected to be you know [TS]

00:04:08   standardized going foreign and that's tough without sleep before it even [TS]

00:04:11   arrives at the school due to like the delays and purchase orders and [TS]

00:04:14   everything and [TS]

00:04:16   after they realized they are after everyone after all the students realize [TS]

00:04:19   that they're terrible mistake you know they are we you know don't this is [TS]

00:04:23   terrible don't do this it doesn't work does make our lives easier these crappy [TS]

00:04:26   computers they don't say oh yeah now we gotta stop that and keep going with it I [TS]

00:04:31   will get the new version that tablet PC so it's a combination of elements of [TS]

00:04:35   like now refusing to admit your mistakes and not realizing that standardizing [TS]

00:04:39   that degrees or is going to come back and bite you and the many tell us [TS]

00:04:42   computer the head and France I don't know someone in the chatroom can look it [TS]

00:04:46   up on Wikipedia are better but for a long time it was you know it was good [TS]

00:04:51   and I like everyone had France France could get him in detail and get down to [TS]

00:04:54   the social networking do interesting things that you don't have the other [TS]

00:04:57   countries but it's bad and it lasted forever and it was just an embarrassment [TS]

00:05:00   a joke obviously the government doing it as the worst case scenario in terms of [TS]

00:05:04   standardizing universally and being out of date and taking forever to arrive and [TS]

00:05:09   not being able to take some mistakes but university is a nice step down from that [TS]

00:05:13   one to be fair Virginia secondly mandated tablets for the engineers and [TS]

00:05:19   they've been mandating computers in general for incoming students for [TS]

00:05:23   something like twenty or thirty years I think was like mid-eighties that they [TS]

00:05:26   started mandating that all the students would have to have computers but it is i [TS]

00:05:31   i agree with you john that its I think them saying who this tablet thing this [TS]

00:05:35   is progressive and exciting and were progressives were progressive school and [TS]

00:05:38   it ends up by him in the butt and nobody is got the confidence to hit the brakes [TS]

00:05:42   and say man maybe this is bad and also consider that these are purchased by the [TS]

00:05:47   school issued by the school [TS]

00:05:49   these are everyone has to buy their own machine they take it so much money for [TS]

00:05:53   you anyway you can feel bad but it also feels bad buying hundreds of dollars [TS]

00:05:59   with the stupid books that stirred by bucks to buy books oh yeah and and and [TS]

00:06:05   pull the same crap with lake with two by two professors own book and then you [TS]

00:06:11   have to buy like the the spiral bound like Xerox files that are some other [TS]

00:06:16   things like it and and then of course they have the the used book ordeal [TS]

00:06:20   there's no better word for it just a giant scale [TS]

00:06:26   its I mean that's you know I wonder that this has been a big problem that's [TS]

00:06:31   probably beyond the scope of the show but you know there's a problem now with [TS]

00:06:36   college being worth it or not and I don't know how much this has been a [TS]

00:06:41   problem in the past but it seems like a combination of surprisingly dramatically [TS]

00:06:49   increasing tuition in the last decade or so and then that the economy being so [TS]

00:06:55   terrible for jobs [TS]

00:06:57   seems like colleges actually becoming a worse and worse deal for students I mean [TS]

00:07:00   I probably be honest competition you know all these things add up and you [TS]

00:07:06   gotta figure specialize in our industry where so many people get by just fine [TS]

00:07:10   without a college degree doesn't really help when you're starting out but you [TS]

00:07:15   can make it work and it's a private colleges probably state schools I think [TS]

00:07:21   even though the funding is being massively / for them I think you still [TS]

00:07:24   mad I would say you know you're better off going to the cheapest possible state [TS]

00:07:29   school that you can get into it then not because your student debt won't be [TS]

00:07:33   astronomical I can be if you go someplace that cost you 60 grand a year [TS]

00:07:36   or something like that UN + like you know if if your boss is somebody like me [TS]

00:07:41   who was pretty much a slacker and just barely got through school I don't really [TS]

00:07:45   care what school you went to leave I'm reviewing your resume I do whatever [TS]

00:07:50   school you went to a probably haven't heard of any matter how did it was so I [TS]

00:07:53   don't know I don't care I have to imagine it's probably true of many of [TS]

00:07:56   the like mid-level a high-level bosses and tech companies especially smaller [TS]

00:08:01   companies run by younger people I have to imagine that a certain size though [TS]

00:08:06   they do the stupid filtering like they just wanted to grieve for you the first [TS]

00:08:10   level ihr passes just doesn't have a degree in something vaguely related [TS]

00:08:15   that's stupid you could say that's not the way you run a company but once [TS]

00:08:20   companies reduce certain size they start doing stupid things and that's why I [TS]

00:08:24   guess I guess this is probably true in most tech jobs if you have to if you [TS]

00:08:29   want a job at a place that has an H R Department you're better off making [TS]

00:08:33   something that they can buy the company [TS]

00:08:36   give a better chance of them buying your startup that he do of getting through [TS]

00:08:39   the AHR departments automatic filters and all the keyword filtering and the [TS]

00:08:44   recruiters and all that crap most people don't miss a thing most people don't go [TS]

00:08:48   through that gone but most people get into companies like that because they [TS]

00:08:53   know someone who's there are you know they they someone inside the company you [TS]

00:08:58   know starts to know them online and on Twitter or something and you bypass some [TS]

00:09:02   are all that idiotic process by someone inside the company just bring him in [TS]

00:09:07   action at church sacristy yeah and that's how people get hired referrals [TS]

00:09:14   friends stuff like that and those type of things I don't think I've ever gotten [TS]

00:09:19   the job by like just going through the front door maybe once in my life I got a [TS]

00:09:25   job I just going through the front door and every other time it's like you you [TS]

00:09:28   know someone inside the company or you get to know someone inside the company [TS]

00:09:31   or know someone who knows someone and then you bypass all that BS and that's [TS]

00:09:35   how you get your interview [TS]

00:09:36   you know instead of having to jump through stupid hurdles in past keyword [TS]

00:09:40   filters actually how I got my job which became tumblr was exactly just applying [TS]

00:09:48   like David posted a Craigslist ad looking for programmers and I responded [TS]

00:09:53   and that was mostly I don't think I've ever gotten a job that way and by the [TS]

00:09:58   way a real-time follow-up as her Twitter not the chatroom and disappointed the [TS]

00:10:02   Jaguar useless chat room on 0845 either I never liked on the five by five people [TS]

00:10:10   jacks phone call these ppl jackals either of these awesome our friend he's [TS]

00:10:15   awesome friends in the chatroom let us down already but I just endearing in [TS]

00:10:19   Twitter said I was a freshman in ninety-seven it wasn't mandated than was [TS]

00:10:23   recommended and so I quickly looked and according to tack it wasn't all 98 in [TS]

00:10:27   since 1982 coming undergraduate student had been required to own personal [TS]

00:10:30   computer [TS]

00:10:32   so real-time problem but I know I've never done a job to my knowledge I never [TS]

00:10:37   got a job just by cold calling someone has always been a friend of a friend or [TS]

00:10:40   something along those lines I just got me in the door so I'm a little surprised [TS]

00:10:44   markets and I think I knew that story but I'm a little surprised at how you [TS]

00:10:47   ended up as well that was like my my first job even that like my first job [TS]

00:10:52   out of college at the visa mo even that was a friend already birthday Aaron got [TS]

00:10:57   me an interview like it was like it's it's so much more important with who you [TS]

00:11:01   know the David Ville that became tumblr job that was a fluke that doesn't really [TS]

00:11:05   ever happen but it was total fluke I don't think he had a jar department that [TS]

00:11:09   girl bypassing if they're not exactly i mean that's like he he emailed from the [TS]

00:11:16   addy requested a code sample I should have some PHP code written was looking [TS]

00:11:20   for and that was it an email me two books on Ruby on Rails and said you [TS]

00:11:25   started a few weeks get up to speed on the stuff and that was it but I think I [TS]

00:11:30   think one of the reasons that worked one of the reasons that that was a totally [TS]

00:11:33   lucky break for me is that he didn't really know what he was doing so he [TS]

00:11:38   didn't know that you're supposed to go through all these you know all this [TS]

00:11:41   crazy process and filtering and collector billion resumes like all that [TS]

00:11:45   stuff that everyone else does [TS]

00:11:47   as the day they know how it's done David didn't know that [TS]

00:11:50   like David you know he was a young kid money when he hired me I don't know that [TS]

00:11:53   really but he had to tell me things like holidays like he really didn't know [TS]

00:11:58   about how things are done in the in the pro-war croats he was never really in it [TS]

00:12:03   except working for himself by himself so you know that that was a lucky break but [TS]

00:12:09   I think if you if you don't have a college degree or if you have a crappy [TS]

00:12:13   college degree or if you have I think my final GPA was something like a 2.3 or [TS]

00:12:18   something terrible GPA if you have a contemporary feel like me i i think you [TS]

00:12:24   have a way better chance of getting into companies like that that are being run [TS]

00:12:27   by basically inexperienced young people or companies who just so desperate that [TS]

00:12:34   just meet anybody watching the door but you don't really want those jobs but [TS]

00:12:38   like I you know the company that are run by young people at the startups [TS]

00:12:41   or and consultancies off and everything that I feel like it's so much easier to [TS]

00:12:44   get a job there because you are more likely to run into somebody like david [TS]

00:12:49   who doesn't really know how things are supposed to be done in the way that [TS]

00:12:52   would rule you out anyway [TS]

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00:15:02   receive an e-mail denial of service attack I saw one of those recently no [TS]

00:15:07   that's pretty crazy I've always honestly I don't host my own email because [TS]

00:15:10   hosting email as mail route nose and as they as they solve for a lot of people [TS]

00:15:15   hosting email is such a pain because you can set it up and you think it's working [TS]

00:15:21   but once you start getting into the complexities things like spam filtering [TS]

00:15:25   being being blacklisted her black hole or whatever is gray listing all the all [TS]

00:15:30   the crazy complexity that we've added to our email infrastructure to usually [TS]

00:15:35   responds to spammers security problems it makes hosting your own and getting [TS]

00:15:40   your own mail delivered to other ppl reliably so difficult [TS]

00:15:44   the graph showing like number of incoming house for dinner was labeled [TS]

00:15:48   with colors within a one color for spam and one caller good mail and you see [TS]

00:15:53   mostly like it's like 50 50 ratio good mail spam [TS]

00:15:56   but those were tiny little sliver like two pixels high and then in the middle [TS]

00:16:00   of the graph or two gigantic towers [TS]

00:16:02   there like the height of the screen there were all the color of spam with [TS]

00:16:05   like a little tiny frosting on the top of regular mail and over the course of [TS]

00:16:08   two days like the spam volume went up by like 10000 X and then went back down [TS]

00:16:13   again and it's like that's like a bottle gone wild or coordinated attacker that's [TS]

00:16:18   the type of you know 10 X hundred thousand X volume that you just may I [TS]

00:16:22   guess what today your mail server is getting a Brazilian spans you don't know [TS]

00:16:25   why you can't control it good [TS]

00:16:28   yeah that's crazy yeah I mean generally the best wisdom I can tell the audience [TS]

00:16:32   is don't post your own mail if you can help it is hosting your mail sucks and [TS]

00:16:37   that that and it wasn't even part of the military dad even that they will help [TS]

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00:16:43   or not it's up to you I think the cool service but whether or not you do that [TS]

00:16:47   do not host your own mail that as it is such a world of hurt to use a Steve Jobs [TS]

00:16:52   her bag of her bag of such a bag of hurt [TS]

00:16:59   you know I not not to get all sad for a moment but I really do miss Steve Jobs [TS]

00:17:04   at times like when the galaxy s4 comes out and it has an easy mode you know I [TS]

00:17:11   would love to get that steve was always so good about these little quips that he [TS]

00:17:19   would leak in an email or a comment somewhere on the earnings call or [TS]

00:17:24   something somebody would ask about something some competitors stupid thing [TS]

00:17:27   and he would just tear them apart in like seven words and I i really do miss [TS]

00:17:33   like what it what he had to say it especially Mohit to say about Google [TS]

00:17:37   glass I mean that's spam bots Steve Jobs is two-fold one he was a person a lot of [TS]

00:17:45   people admired in to Apple as a company was and still is not the kind of company [TS]

00:17:49   to have like oh you could you just called nothing get some random obnoxious [TS]

00:17:53   quote from some random ppl like they're very controlled about their messaging so [TS]

00:17:56   you always want to hear what admired person has to say about any topic that's [TS]

00:18:00   one reason to hang on his every word in the second thing is he was the only [TS]

00:18:03   person in the entire organization who had the authority to make stupid ass com [TS]

00:18:08   could not get you couldn't get you can call up and say can you tell us what you [TS]

00:18:12   think of you never hear anyone on the phone number ever give you a line but if [TS]

00:18:16   you're talking to Steve Jobs you never know who's going to stop them and most [TS]

00:18:19   the time he was very controlled and say things but occasionally you get you push [TS]

00:18:22   that one but he be like you know what that thing is crap let me tell you why [TS]

00:18:26   do you like the stuff you can never get them any other way now it's like it just [TS]

00:18:31   shows gonna come up and make a quip about easy mode or whatever you know but [TS]

00:18:35   everything that they're going to be showing for iOS 7 new iPhones they don't [TS]

00:18:40   make like an off-handed quip about something else but when the press gets a [TS]

00:18:43   massive attack he just going to repeat his talking points are not going to go [TS]

00:18:47   off on a three second diatribe about you know like the back of her thing that's [TS]

00:18:50   not a rehearsed talking point that was like someone asked about blu-ray and he [TS]

00:18:55   said you know the stuff and if I wasn't talking points it's not going to be [TS]

00:19:00   going to come out and cokes mouth or socialism he was the best when he fired [TS]

00:19:04   from the hip and he did it rarely but when he did it was fantastic I think a [TS]

00:19:08   lot like I bet he had that frees better [TS]

00:19:10   her turning over his head for weeks or months and he was waiting for a time to [TS]

00:19:14   use it he had like a nice arsenal of like what he thinks about X and it [TS]

00:19:19   didn't hear it [TS]

00:19:21   yeah they were discussed internally and like every anyone who has had these [TS]

00:19:24   conversations with him internally is going to be like ok he's giving greatest [TS]

00:19:27   hits the rents we've all had internally but that stuff we'll just stay inside [TS]

00:19:32   the company but you know he was the one guy who could let it out when he felt [TS]

00:19:36   like it just felt like I always wonder how much stuff he does ad-libbing like [TS]

00:19:40   that like one of the ones that comes to mind tell-all book about the stuff was [TS]

00:19:44   back when interest the g5 and I think he said like and they're going to be a [TS]

00:19:49   three-game hurts in a year someone in the chatroom can correct and it's like [TS]

00:19:53   someone from IBM tell him that did you go you know what screw them they better [TS]

00:19:58   be ten year and was gonna say they're going to be an actor not gonna blame [TS]

00:20:02   them later and do the job says what exactly are speaking of Apple you want [TS]

00:20:13   to discuss this w WDC situation I mean it's unfortunately it's only gonna be [TS]

00:20:17   relevant mostly to our live listeners of Xterra now approximately two hundred and [TS]

00:20:22   twenty because kinda crazy to think about but it all to them because that's [TS]

00:20:28   when it comes out of course it will be released as probably on Friday so we [TS]

00:20:33   will already have or not have our tickets but we can only predict what's [TS]

00:20:37   going to happen so people can laugh at us and retrospect when they find out [TS]

00:20:40   what actually did happen to us that's a fair point so I will confidently predict [TS]

00:20:44   that I will try my darndest to get a ticket fail and then go fetal for the [TS]

00:20:50   rest of the week and weekend crying miserably about how I didn't get a [TS]

00:20:53   ticket to get one like two hours last year something if we're just prefer all [TS]

00:20:58   there you know and and Marco is starting to get on board with Marcos optimistic [TS]

00:21:02   predictions like look at your phone orders way more people on iphone they [TS]

00:21:05   want to go to [TS]

00:21:06   like there are many assumptions in that statement one of which is that this is [TS]

00:21:11   the same systems use iPhones which I don't really believe the like a you know [TS]

00:21:14   what could happen [TS]

00:21:15   the service could stay up we could and if they do presumably everyone has their [TS]

00:21:20   sitting there and like 1 p.m. going click click [TS]

00:21:22   don't you think I was going to get tickets I hope it's a problem is I [TS]

00:21:27   believe I don't remember the gentleman's name and I couldn't pronounce it even if [TS]

00:21:31   I remembered it but the guy who did the WBC alerts that that you could jump the [TS]

00:21:36   line if you paid money for people [TS]

00:21:40   yes well decide that I don't think he quite nicely and never on the money as [TS]

00:21:49   soon I don't know I wouldn't [TS]

00:21:51   email John but no anyway crap I totally lost my train of thought and now we're [TS]

00:21:58   doing it live [TS]

00:21:59   well you know and I would imagine that I mean so what happened today to recap for [TS]

00:22:04   people listening in the far future is for I believe the first time ever [TS]

00:22:08   necessary for the last 25 years or so but for the first time Apple announced [TS]

00:22:15   WDC and it's it's dates and its availability before the tickets were [TS]

00:22:20   actually available to buy and so they've said basically buy tickets tomorrow at [TS]

00:22:25   this time and so it it solves a lot of problems it in previous years like last [TS]

00:22:30   year two years ago tickets sold out in about 12 hours last year tickets sold [TS]

00:22:34   out in about two hours and IV n last year they the best time to release a [TS]

00:22:42   press release in in the PR industry is about 8:30 in the morning so Apple tends [TS]

00:22:50   to ship out all their press releases and the new product announcements and they [TS]

00:22:55   they tend to lift embargoes at like 830 1 a.m. and generally want to do this not [TS]

00:23:02   a Monday you can help it caused a lot of competition from things that built up [TS]

00:23:05   over the weekend on Monday for coverage you don't want to compete with that you [TS]

00:23:08   also want to on Friday because on Friday your back into the weekend a lot of [TS]

00:23:12   people aren't paying attention and is not gonna be a lot of time 22 [TS]

00:23:16   announced to for people to write up like reactions and they're gonna have the [TS]

00:23:20   weekend and the final forget about it so generally want to do it early in the [TS]

00:23:23   week but not Monday so things are usually announced on Tuesdays or [TS]

00:23:27   Wednesdays and so it was pretty easy to predict that the announcement of this [TS]

00:23:33   conference was probably gonna happen again just like it did the year before [TS]

00:23:38   probably gonna happen again at a few minutes after 8:30 in the morning on a [TS]

00:23:42   Tuesday or Wednesday and sure enough it did end and it did it right after the [TS]

00:23:47   day after the earnings call and there's there's the details of this there's the [TS]

00:23:52   SEC quiet period guidelines and I i'm not qualified and neither you guys as [TS]

00:23:59   far as I know none of us are qualified to talk about whether Apple is required [TS]

00:24:03   to stay silent but they're not required as it's not even an SEC thing is just [TS]

00:24:09   something that people do it's like a guideline or practice yesterday [TS]

00:24:13   defacto thing as far as I know I don't even think the SEC recommends is just [TS]

00:24:16   what everybody does in once everybody does it by not doing it you would stick [TS]

00:24:20   out but I don't think the SEC tells you that you should or even recommends that [TS]

00:24:24   you do well it's kind of it's it's almost requisite you're right it's not [TS]

00:24:28   required but it's almost requisite in my dad actually works for investor [TS]

00:24:31   relations for a really really big company and so he would be qualified in [TS]

00:24:36   NI he's been doing this for many many years including the time I i lived with [TS]

00:24:41   him when I was in high school and whatnot and my understanding is that if [TS]

00:24:45   you say anything truly reformed in earnings announcement it could [TS]

00:24:49   reasonably be construed to affect the result of those earnings and so that [TS]

00:24:56   would be releasing insider information before the company has released their [TS]

00:25:00   earnings and does it the logical thing to do is for all these companies to just [TS]

00:25:05   shut the crap up for like two or three weeks I don't remember how long it is [TS]

00:25:09   but some duration of time before earnings so this way there are no [TS]

00:25:13   slip-ups in saudi appoint Marco it seems reasonable that even though WBC [TS]

00:25:19   on the surface doesn't seem like it would affect the stock price or anything [TS]

00:25:22   like that it for the last couple of years it's been announced the day after [TS]

00:25:25   their earnings [TS]

00:25:26   right and so it was it was fairly easy to predict that the announcement was [TS]

00:25:31   going to happen this morning but nobody was pretty and I heard a few rumors and [TS]

00:25:37   a few other people to do but nobody was predicting that this would happen where [TS]

00:25:41   the announcement was indeed at 42 time but the on-sale date of the ticket is [TS]

00:25:46   going to be tomorrow and it's all water problems one of the problems with last [TS]

00:25:50   year's the people complain about a lot it because it was 830 in the morning [TS]

00:25:53   eastern it really screwed the Pacific coast because by the time they all woke [TS]

00:25:59   up it was sold out so it was kind of rough on people in the pacific time zone [TS]

00:26:06   and of course all times around the world to know if if if 8:30 a.m. Eastern which [TS]

00:26:12   is Jim T minus five is in the middle of the night for you and your time zone [TS]

00:26:15   your kind of screwed so this was a really good way to do it I think people [TS]

00:26:21   are so special to me that maybe they will have a lottery employees I'm [TS]

00:26:24   actually very glad they don't have that because I know I would lose it was [TS]

00:26:27   losing drawings and raffles and things you and me both yeah so you know I i'm [TS]

00:26:35   glad there's not a lottery thing or at least at least they aren't all lottery [TS]

00:26:38   sales but while you're glad now will you be glad it's terrible because you like [TS]

00:26:45   he wants some system that is not you don't want to be random you want some [TS]

00:26:50   system that has some kind of like merit-based selection process even if [TS]

00:26:54   that Meredith who who is who wants it the most [TS]

00:26:57   who is willing to wake up in the know that who is willing to settle things to [TS]

00:27:01   moderate like maybe that's not the best way to do it like this the way anything [TS]

00:27:04   you know anything in life is who wants it the most and if those people get [TS]

00:27:08   first to complain no fair I don't wanna statement though and I well I guess you [TS]

00:27:11   don't want it as much as other person like that is so much better than random [TS]

00:27:16   because then you and your friends can band together and be idiots and stamp in [TS]

00:27:20   the middle of the night on the outside world and get tickets and you could all [TS]

00:27:23   go together as if it's a lottery maybe you get to go but you to friends don't [TS]

00:27:26   and then you have a worse experience in the system right so we don't know yet we [TS]

00:27:31   know we will know in less than 24 hours whether the three of us are going or not [TS]

00:27:36   or whether some subset of us are going [TS]

00:27:37   but get a problem is like you know the old system was it gave more room for [TS]

00:27:44   people who really really cared about it [TS]

00:27:46   to have an advantage because we would be predicting the times and we would be [TS]

00:27:49   waking up early every day to every day in April basically and you know we would [TS]

00:27:54   be weird be the ones like setting up monitoring systems and hammering the [TS]

00:27:58   page to see when it changes so certainly you know now that they've done is made [TS]

00:28:05   it so that you don't have to pay much attention to have a chance at it so it [TS]

00:28:09   is more fair in the sense that it will give way more people who are interested [TS]

00:28:14   in going [TS]

00:28:15   a chance of getting tickets at the expense of crazy nerds like us who [TS]

00:28:19   always somebody else to France for seniors crazy geeks like us to really [TS]

00:28:24   badly yeah sometimes I don't I don't agree with him but okay it's okay I i [TS]

00:28:31   think you're qualified to to set the world so anyway we you know nerds like [TS]

00:28:38   us are now at a slight disadvantage that there's gonna be more competition from [TS]

00:28:42   people who care little bit less about it or who or who would have otherwise been [TS]

00:28:46   awake at that time anyways so the only reason it's slightly worse for us is [TS]

00:28:51   that like it's brought a few more people into the fold people who really do wanna [TS]

00:28:57   go but like they're learning things didn't work or they were asleep but they [TS]

00:29:01   didn't hear the phone go off like those people who kind of unfairly got screwed [TS]

00:29:05   last year they are now competing with us but I think it's reasonable it's more [TS]

00:29:10   than that though because when I went two years ago when I went in 2011 [TS]

00:29:16   my might then employers who I don't work for an employer was probably going to [TS]

00:29:24   fund my trip and when the tickets went on sale I needed to go get final [TS]

00:29:29   approval Marco you spoke about this at some point or another in the past I need [TS]

00:29:33   to go get final approval from my boss in order to spend a whole bunch of money [TS]

00:29:35   and get it reimbursed [TS]

00:29:37   and now all those people who are in that situation they've done that today so in [TS]

00:29:44   the point of going to occur when I lost my train of thought is I thought that [TS]

00:29:47   the gentleman who did the painting jump the line alert system said he had like [TS]

00:29:52   twenty thousand people in his alert you and there's something to the order of [TS]

00:29:56   from our friends in the chatroom 5,000 tickets that you can buy and show even [TS]

00:30:01   if even if it's the same system that handles millions of iPhone orders when [TS]

00:30:06   they are brand new [TS]

00:30:08   you're still talking about a whole crapload of people trying to vie for [TS]

00:30:12   5,000 seats and that's just I'm really scared that's not gonna end well for me [TS]

00:30:16   yet actually that's a bigger ratio than I would have expected because you gotta [TS]

00:30:20   figure like not everybody who wants to buy tickets even sign up for that [TS]

00:30:23   service [TS]

00:30:23   you know there's probably some percentage of them who did but I don't [TS]

00:30:27   know all the good thing is that this year Apple says they're going to release [TS]

00:30:31   the videos during the conference so they won't be live-streamed I assume but like [TS]

00:30:36   maybe you feel like the day after or something so and also you don't have to [TS]

00:30:40   think we're the only people who get their videos with the people who [TS]

00:30:43   actually attended WotC which was incredibly stupid so now if you were to [TS]

00:30:47   snap a developer they just a registered developer resume me to pay developed for [TS]

00:30:51   their iOS or the Mac and you want to see WWE sessions I assume there while Darius [TS]

00:30:59   is going on during that week they will slowly be doling out downloads on iTunes [TS]

00:31:05   you know and i dont University but anyway the place where you can download [TS]

00:31:09   videos through iTunes WABC only they'll come out as WNBC happens instead of [TS]

00:31:15   having to wait a week or two weeks regime in a week or two week isn't a big [TS]

00:31:18   deal but like this take some of the sting out and hopefully will discourage [TS]

00:31:21   people I try to just going to be willing to put her expensive you have to you [TS]

00:31:25   know if you don't live in the area you know by our hotel for a week and you [TS]

00:31:31   have to buy the ticket which is not cheap it's a lot of money so stay home [TS]

00:31:36   and you get almost all the experience from home just watch the videos and that [TS]

00:31:41   like if I don't get a ticket it's not going to be the end of the world to me [TS]

00:31:44   because that's will be what I do I'm estas a week off from work but thats [TS]

00:31:49   let's say you would take a week off of work to sit in your house and watch his [TS]

00:31:54   videos like anything about that is you would think that would work out fine but [TS]

00:31:58   the main problem is that the videos would end up being released I don't know [TS]

00:32:02   I don't know what kind of like there but like the amount of time I can dedicated [TS]

00:32:05   to watch WEC videos is much smaller kids at a house in the morning I could come [TS]

00:32:09   home when your W C you can just dedicate your heads down whole life to to just [TS]

00:32:16   ignore you see I mean like so far every year that I've gone gone from four years [TS]

00:32:20   now every year there have been a few sessions where like they were double [TS]

00:32:25   booked again something else I wanted to go to so I I made a note I told myself [TS]

00:32:28   I'm gonna go and watch this video when it comes out of this other one that I'm [TS]

00:32:31   not gonna see now I think I might have watched like two or three videos after [TS]

00:32:37   the fact total and usually that was only because I was about to or already coding [TS]

00:32:43   and some API that the videos were about I want to look something up or go back [TS]

00:32:46   to a movie of a session I already did see live remember like oh yeah how did [TS]

00:32:51   they do this one thing like the scroll recession I was going to be pretty good [TS]

00:32:55   stuff and there's time for reference purposes but I'm never gonna like make [TS]

00:33:01   two hours and sit down and watch a couple of these things I've got the WTC [TS]

00:33:06   2003 DVD to my right I kept it because it came in a metal box enough people [TS]

00:33:12   remember that and you know I and the first time I went it was two years ago I [TS]

00:33:15   was never actually able to go but I knew people who went or do people who could [TS]

00:33:20   have gone but got the DVD set aside as part of the deal member Marco you [TS]

00:33:24   probably weren't around when they had the name right I think it was there was [TS]

00:33:29   different ABC levels of selected premier yeah I came in right as I was about to [TS]

00:33:34   end so I did see it and it was it was like five hundred thousand and three [TS]

00:33:38   thousands of my bad I think it was just selectors 500 and premier I think it was [TS]

00:33:44   for some of the shower and that was like four digits and remember what it was but [TS]

00:33:48   when you got was like one WTC take it and you got the DVDs and you got like it [TS]

00:33:52   was you got lots of stuff I and so many I got I got you get a big discount and [TS]

00:33:58   yeah I know and a big that's the whole reason [TS]

00:34:01   can you get a couple hundred bucks it would go in together and have a bunch of [TS]

00:34:05   different hardware discounts on the web but all I have that DVD set and doesn't [TS]

00:34:12   back on days when I get this DVD set tonight to watch every single session [TS]

00:34:15   just about every single wanna go through in order and these days when I actually [TS]

00:34:20   attend I don't obviously do that because a lot of them I was there for us I don't [TS]

00:34:23   watch them again but I will go back and look at the ones that I didn't see that [TS]

00:34:27   the only thing I start skipping now is like now that it's like that attracts [TS]

00:34:31   like web development company like I'm not going to watch those and even some [TS]

00:34:36   of the iOS ones I'll skip because I mostly in there for the Mac West End [TS]

00:34:39   stuff it used to be when I was just Mac and there wasn't like a track about how [TS]

00:34:43   to do [TS]

00:34:44   CSS or high DPI images rather esoteric things that I may not really be in [TS]

00:34:50   Apple's wheelhouse and you could have learned about her may have already [TS]

00:34:52   learned about the ones I would just watch every single session and that [TS]

00:34:55   sounds boring but I find maybe I'm gonna get as I'm getting older I have less [TS]

00:35:01   time for that because the kids take a lot of time and everything but I used to [TS]

00:35:04   just that's the way I would consume things when I was getting into a hobby [TS]

00:35:07   or something I would read everything there was to read about that happy when [TS]

00:35:10   I was learning units I just bought or other books and read them from cover to [TS]

00:35:14   cover and today you read toaster manuals of those are much shorter than I i read [TS]

00:35:20   your next article twice I remember going to get in the end of that going back to [TS]

00:35:23   the beginning of a small book will you make an interesting point Marconi said [TS]

00:35:28   that jokingly but I really shouldn't say this on the show will come out after the [TS]

00:35:33   fact that doesn't matter but part of the part of the draw wEDC is the experiences [TS]

00:35:38   you have outside of the sessions and sessions are unbelievable and my two [TS]

00:35:41   years of going to WTC of only skipped three or four sessions are three or four [TS]

00:35:45   slots I guess I should say and and some of the best experiences I've had though [TS]

00:35:49   our networking with people like for example I met David Smith there and [TS]

00:35:52   David just pointed out in the chatroom that the gentleman whose first name I [TS]

00:35:58   don't know how to pronounce his surname is prindiville who ran the DEC alert [TS]

00:36:04   thing [TS]

00:36:05   apparently he only had six hundreds of subscribers which is a lot better than [TS]

00:36:08   the twenty thousand apparently invented out of thin air so so that meant that [TS]

00:36:14   the case scenario isn't quite so bad i remember i think thats 20,000 number I [TS]

00:36:18   remember last year when I don't they did it did the WBC alerts [TS]

00:36:22   it was oversubscribed yet that the Twitter thing had something like twenty [TS]

00:36:29   thousand I forget the exact number but it was it was it was in that range you [TS]

00:36:32   know and and so I thought it was eight but thousands maybe it was more than the [TS]

00:36:38   tickets were available [TS]

00:36:40   yeah I think last year they sold something like fifty five hundred [TS]

00:36:43   tickets and and and they've been a number pretty comfortably or near that [TS]

00:36:47   number pretty comfortably for enough time that we can be pretty sure that [TS]

00:36:50   that's roughly what they think the maximum should be and N certainly like [TS]

00:36:53   going going there for the last few years you can see in moscow me it is packed [TS]

00:36:59   full and it is so hard like it's a line after line for line you got a recession [TS]

00:37:05   it if you want to popular session if you wanna get in there even you know you you [TS]

00:37:10   have to get there like a half hour before it starts dancing long line which [TS]

00:37:13   means you still might not get it right and it's it's really quite difficult to [TS]

00:37:19   to maneuver around the conference with the number they have now they they [TS]

00:37:22   certainly can't sell more tickets and keeping that menu is still not the max [TS]

00:37:26   level of waiting but I don't I find that you don't usually have to actually [TS]

00:37:29   skipped the previous session you'll just get a crappier seat Burris with pacs [TS]

00:37:34   skip the previous two seconds to get mine had to skip such as far i think is [TS]

00:37:39   if you want to get lunch session like the day it was when I was in line for [TS]

00:37:42   that for like an hour and a half he always miss the crazy good friday have [TS]

00:37:47   to fly out at like 1 p.m. yep same you do that to yourself I put my book my [TS]

00:37:52   tickets the entire day to prepare my mind and body [TS]

00:37:57   you stay on the front and yes I don't wanna say the extra night and I for the [TS]

00:38:03   love of all that's good and holy I did not want to do a red-eye yeah I would [TS]

00:38:06   never do read i believe i won I want all my flights to be a noon [TS]

00:38:12   that's the way it's not always possible but that's what I'm shooting for the [TS]

00:38:16   entire day is just dedicated [TS]

00:38:18   travel and I don't want to wake up early in the morning so David Smith just put [TS]

00:38:22   in the chat room conte's my best friend he just said that WTF the original WWDC [TS]

00:38:27   alerts this is the unpaid completely free one was around 9,000 that's [TS]

00:38:33   actually pretty sure showdown and over doesn't mean you in both of the [TS]

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00:42:38   so before we leave the WBC topic are either of you two gentlemen going to go [TS]

00:42:45   if you don't get a ticket like John you said in all likelihood you'll probably [TS]

00:42:49   take off the time but you'll probably stay at home I can't justify going if I [TS]

00:42:56   don't get what I do for the week like although like you said that like one of [TS]

00:43:00   the reasons that I am actually going is that I do have interactions with people [TS]

00:43:03   outside the sessions but it's mostly so that I can have a dedicated time where [TS]

00:43:10   there's no distractions and no other demands on my time I'm just there to [TS]

00:43:14   attend sessions and secondarily at a close second is if after a session is [TS]

00:43:19   over I just need one thing clarified its not clear from the notes the guy who [TS]

00:43:24   gave the presentation is at the front of the room and I can go ask him and then [TS]

00:43:27   third is the thing that people you meet outside and everything like and that's [TS]

00:43:33   definitely true as well but like from for business purposes I guess later [TS]

00:43:37   research purposes it depends on her meeting with i guess i meeting with big [TS]

00:43:42   fancy people in super secret that yeah I get a lot of value out of those meetings [TS]

00:43:47   but I know I can't bank on that I can't guarantee that I'm gonna have a private [TS]

00:43:50   meeting with Tim Cook going on there so you can but I want me so I wouldn't go [TS]

00:43:55   there with no ticket hoping that it just happened to catch you know craig Venter [TS]

00:44:00   et on the steps of moscow me and benazir for 50 minutes because that's probably [TS]

00:44:04   not going to happen and i cant you know I'd like more importantly liked how can [TS]

00:44:08   I justify it as a business expense for the purpose of writing my review if i [TS]

00:44:14   dont even have a ticket so it's kind of bogus oh yeah if I don't get a ticket [TS]

00:44:17   and i cant for Nicola ticket through whatever crazy please somebody out there [TS]

00:44:22   any type of system then artists and watch the videos [TS]

00:44:26   yeah I don't know what I would do i mean i hopefully we won't have to think about [TS]

00:44:31   this cuz will get tickets but if I don't get a ticket I might have a higher [TS]

00:44:39   chance of going based on what you get out but I still working I wouldn't say [TS]

00:44:46   right now yes we definitely have a hotel reservation because it's totally [TS]

00:44:51   refundable [TS]

00:44:52   but I haven't the plane yet because like I'm not going to book a flight I'll pay [TS]

00:44:57   the extra couple hundred bucks that whatever the prices raised to tomorrow [TS]

00:44:59   if I get the ticket rather than buy the plane ticket today on the off chance I [TS]

00:45:05   don't get a ticket tomorrow we should tell everyone about that because I think [TS]

00:45:07   that was a good three-way triumph of all of us having the wherewithal and guts to [TS]

00:45:12   actually buy our hotel tickets a month ahead of time everybody on March yeah I [TS]

00:45:20   forgot who initiated that but like you always hear that you can always look at [TS]

00:45:23   the schedule and and ballpark and you can tell you it's probably going to be [TS]

00:45:26   like this week like every year that's been the case where you can look at that [TS]

00:45:29   but it's one thing to look at the schedule and know that it's another [TS]

00:45:32   thing to actually pull the trigger get the tickets but like to point out like [TS]

00:45:35   you know it's a refundable 24 hours at a time so there's no risk in doing it [TS]

00:45:40   except if it's some sort of hotel that has an annoying website that makes [TS]

00:45:44   refunds annoying or you don't have any confidence that they're going to quickly [TS]

00:45:47   process that are going to ShopRite stuff you go if you have a good hotel with a [TS]

00:45:51   reasonable websites worth doing and then you know so that we had our hotel [TS]

00:45:55   reservations a month in advance and are actually were actually cheaper than even [TS]

00:45:59   the Apple special reserving a block of rooms for you rates for so long and so [TS]

00:46:05   to answer the question I asked if the two of you I don't know what I'm going [TS]

00:46:09   to do if in when I don't get a ticket I have already established over fetal for [TS]

00:46:14   about three or four days but a part of me thinks it's worth going to network [TS]

00:46:18   it's worth going to see people to see the david smith's and and the Jim [TS]

00:46:23   Dalrymple the world and in certainly to see Marco or John or whoever is out [TS]

00:46:28   there but I don't know if I would go for the whole week our good friend David [TS]

00:46:33   Smith friend of show David Smith has said he's going on I believe he's [TS]

00:46:36   intending to go for the whole week I don't know what I'm gonna do and I'm [TS]

00:46:40   such a wimp in so indecisive I can't figure out what I'm gonna do but maybe [TS]

00:46:45   mark when I maybe we'll commiserate maybe we'll celebrate on her now but we [TS]

00:46:49   do believe you do the whole like I guess the only advantage that you could you [TS]

00:46:52   could stay out all night which is not my thing even if that's your thing you can [TS]

00:46:55   do that then sleep during the day to get a precise [TS]

00:46:58   like that I guess if you just wanna go in like socializes people that I don't [TS]

00:47:03   if you're you wouldn't be getting anything done getting much done from a [TS]

00:47:07   business perspective unless you're going there to try to like I need a partner [TS]

00:47:11   for my new venture or I'm trying to you know recruited designer to help me and i [TS]

00:47:15   wanna talk to people and meet you like maybe I guess I am the wrong person to [TS]

00:47:19   ask about what kind of business you can get a social interactions but I unless [TS]

00:47:27   you have money for 12 years and you don't have any of these nights a week of [TS]

00:47:30   vacation time if you have a job and this is not part of your job you know that's [TS]

00:47:35   what else could use that week for what else could use that thousands and [TS]

00:47:38   thousands of dollars for you know it's a tough call you know you're absolutely [TS]

00:47:42   right but if it now this isn't oranges oranges comparison but if I wasn't at [TS]

00:47:48   WBC was a 2011 and then firstly I wouldn't have met you and secondly I [TS]

00:47:53   wouldn't have been there with Marco and Merlin and a friend of mine Eric sure to [TS]

00:47:57   buy you a toaster so there's something to be said for these social interactions [TS]

00:48:02   important I was one day they like I know a lot of people who are I don't get [TS]

00:48:06   tickets to go but up for the whole week and that makes sense to be there for [TS]

00:48:09   like the keynote excitement and the few your range but your range with people [TS]

00:48:14   like oh we should go out tonight and then we should do other people [TS]

00:48:16   prevention got the next night you know and then you see the few people you [TS]

00:48:19   gonna see and then you're out of there well that's why I'm saying maybe I [TS]

00:48:22   wouldn't go for a whole week making this up and maybe I'd go you know arrived [TS]

00:48:26   Sunday stay there Monday Tuesday and fly back Wednesday or something like that [TS]

00:48:31   tired just thinking about it and once again the thought of you know seeing all [TS]

00:48:39   these wonderful people who you love make you feel exhausted you may be an [TS]

00:48:43   introvert I'm excited I I really hope I'm in the morning about the more I feel [TS]

00:48:49   like if I didn't have a ticket I would I would probably still go but I thought I [TS]

00:48:54   think it would suck you know because most conferences like South by Southwest [TS]

00:48:58   is a joke you know like the sessions habit of us are terrible the [TS]

00:49:03   you know that they're mostly panels were people just read Twitter and BS their [TS]

00:49:07   way through and it's just as an audience member it's it's pretty hard it's pretty [TS]

00:49:11   unusual to be an ass happens happens session that was worth your time they do [TS]

00:49:16   exist but they're certainly the minority and so that but that conference all [TS]

00:49:21   about drinking and partying and socializing and so if you're going to [TS]

00:49:25   happen Southwest ticket you'll still get almost all of the value of that [TS]

00:49:29   conference but wEDC for me at least is not that way it mean it does have [TS]

00:49:36   drinking and partying but for me that the great value of that conference is [TS]

00:49:41   the sessions and and even the socializing happens in moscow me like [TS]

00:49:45   that I get usually that's a good point [TS]

00:49:48   get more socializing done in like the chair areas of Moscone between sessions [TS]

00:49:54   or like if there's one scheduled Kapoor nothing really that great I'll go sit [TS]

00:49:58   down and no answer emails stuff and talk to peter out there and you want to know [TS]

00:50:01   why because you can actually hear people right exactly like a social environment [TS]

00:50:05   of yelling at a bar by everyone's drunk is really not that you're not going to [TS]

00:50:12   get the best of all the device for your favorite 2013 drinks like radio get tips [TS]

00:50:18   and rumors and you have the best trash talker but like that's the thing I'm out [TS]

00:50:22   of a session like you know some session about scroll using something and you're [TS]

00:50:26   just sitting next to someone who you want to talk to or you see someone in [TS]

00:50:30   three rows away when you come out a session that's the perfect opportunity [TS]

00:50:32   to discuss ScrollView performance with a developer who you're lucky enough to [TS]

00:50:38   meet in real life because that's in the front of their mind whereas if you call [TS]

00:50:42   them in a bar later want to discuss preview performance taking to be like [TS]

00:50:44   it's not the time for that now you know right it's a time for beer and and [TS]

00:50:50   trash-talking whoever you want to trash talk at that time [TS]

00:50:52   during you know complaining about Apple are you know a preview of whatever all [TS]

00:50:56   the other things you do as well but there is something to be said for like [TS]

00:50:59   it's like an academic type contacts where you're learning about your craft [TS]

00:51:03   and your business and that's valuable in like you know I'm [TS]

00:51:07   people ask me why I go because I'm not developing an application but you know I [TS]

00:51:11   go for my review obviously but if you're actually making an application nice to [TS]

00:51:15   meet so many developers with iOS and Mac her like this one session has made this [TS]

00:51:20   entire thing worth it for me because now my god I can't wait to I can't wait to [TS]

00:51:24   grab my laptop running back down to chair and implement this thing they just [TS]

00:51:27   showed because gonna make my life so much easier and I never realized that [TS]

00:51:30   there was so much better way to do this you know and as long as it's not an icon [TS]

00:51:34   session that usually turns out pretty well for the developer site so I'm sorry [TS]

00:51:40   I prolong the WBC talked for a long time and I feel like we're probably good here [TS]

00:51:44   and so you'll see via Twitter whether or not any of the three of us got tickets [TS]

00:51:49   and I'm sure if if i dont all the complaining and moaning like the like a [TS]

00:51:54   baby for weeks so let's hope let's hope for the good of the nation and the world [TS]

00:52:00   that I actually scored if we don't get tickets case it was a cynical hang out [TS]

00:52:03   together and stared QuickTime videos [TS]

00:52:05   synchronized you might be joking I'm all in the split screen mode both watching [TS]

00:52:12   the same session at the same time laying in bed again you think you might be [TS]

00:52:17   joking but I'm not gonna the funny thing is I would actually be fairly productive [TS]

00:52:20   dislike arranged like an East Coast meet up for level one week in August and [TS]

00:52:28   watch the video has backed such as well go to the army compound there you go [TS]

00:52:33   that's that's true the guest houses right mark estate something like that [TS]

00:52:41   the only thing is it's actually Marco is in the middle of the three of us but [TS]

00:52:45   what do you like two or three hours from John and eight from me [TS]

00:52:48   generous I'm Way closer to your funny living down there [TS]

00:52:54   of seventy mile per hour speed limit roads in your state so much West right [TS]

00:52:59   now I know it's here to Virginia [TS]

00:53:04   in the real virginia also consider that anybody in West Virginia has right now [TS]

00:53:11   probably not I mean let's be realistic but also consider we're not a state [TS]

00:53:16   where Commonwealth of Massachusetts differences it's just the residents can [TS]

00:53:23   say that two people seriously so we can be obnoxious like that exactly like the [TS]

00:53:27   hipsters you would your state's yeah we were commonwealths before you even [TS]

00:53:32   states anyway we talked about tonight are we done we can do like another 20 [TS]

00:53:39   minutes so if you want do you want to talk about why I think the earnings [TS]

00:53:44   thing has a couple of interesting things about it but not not a whole lot first [TS]

00:53:48   of all I'm glad that the stock price didn't totally just planet it seems to [TS]

00:53:54   have stayed roughly the same which is itself into an embarrassing level but I [TS]

00:53:59   was expecting du mir because you know we've talked about in the past and I've [TS]

00:54:03   learned a lot about how I think I think Apple is kind of stuck in this in this [TS]

00:54:08   rush of extremely negative momentum in the public eye and then especially in [TS]

00:54:14   the press but I hear it from regular people too so it's it's certainly [TS]

00:54:18   getting out there and you know I have to think like they're probably like people [TS]

00:54:25   are going to be crapping on Apple publicly and expressing doom and and [TS]

00:54:30   pessimism about the company and its products and its future I was thinking [TS]

00:54:34   that would be like a year or two long cycle and i was thinkin also you know [TS]

00:54:40   that this is not investment advice of a qualified but one of the reasons why is [TS]

00:54:43   sold all my Apple shares back whenever it was january february [TS]

00:54:48   like four sixty-something and one of the reasons why oh is it was like soon after [TS]

00:54:54   the holiday earnings call and the stock took a dive on that call and I realized [TS]

00:54:59   you know how the earnings are great usually it and they worry it's always [TS]

00:55:05   the highest quarter of the year and so I figure that's probably the best news [TS]

00:55:10   they're going to announce for a long time possibly the whole year at least as [TS]

00:55:14   far as the market is concerned [TS]

00:55:16   and so I figure if the stock took a dive and was probably their best news day of [TS]

00:55:20   the year I don't think I wanna holder for the rest of the year and so far has [TS]

00:55:25   proven to be fairly good a fairly good theory it's panned out but you know with [TS]

00:55:30   this I was thinking like the quarter after holiday earnings is always kind of [TS]

00:55:35   soft and will be here we we've been hearing all these rumors about how it [TS]

00:55:39   was they were having a lower demand expected and they were possibly having [TS]

00:55:44   an oversupply of components and I mean it sounded bad likely to notice the [TS]

00:55:50   rumors were pretty bad and then they release their earnings and they're [TS]

00:55:53   actually pretty decent and you know it's not like the holiday quarter but they [TS]

00:55:57   beat their own guidance as they usually do and anti-wall Street didn't seem [TS]

00:56:03   disappointed by it day this was a different corner where they were saying [TS]

00:56:06   we're not going to give you the guidance they were guaranteed to be this time [TS]

00:56:09   we're giving you a range and we say we're gonna fall within that range and [TS]

00:56:13   just above the fact they were stuck in that range would be making me think [TS]

00:56:17   about was an analyst like alright rhonda your game gave us you still give us an [TS]

00:56:22   estimate that you knew you could be putting our could be the disease had you [TS]

00:56:25   know better things that I dunno I just did you know it was just kind of like a [TS]

00:56:28   watch but the thing about that idea that Apple is like doom and gloom about out [TS]

00:56:34   but I feel like the entire industry in some respects not so much doom and gloom [TS]

00:56:37   that's prob like in a holding pattern because we said we notice Apple these [TS]

00:56:41   things but take a look at the Samsung Galaxy s4 reviews yet I really mediocre [TS]

00:56:45   right and and and so the st. it's the same attitude is basically from [TS]

00:56:50   consumers and from the market who cares about the market what have you done for [TS]

00:56:53   me lately exactly iPhone iPad and even like Samsung the shining star oh no the [TS]

00:56:59   same thing with Samsung what have you done for me [TS]

00:57:01   Samsung's Galaxy s3 out of galaxy s4 is the s4 you know so much better than [TS]

00:57:08   yesterday and they like I guess it's another samsung galaxy phone and got a [TS]

00:57:12   bunch of things in there but they're not all that awesome and like they're in a [TS]

00:57:16   brawl in a holding pattern because everybody with the next big thing you [TS]

00:57:19   know that's why every keeps talking a stupid i watch something to be talking [TS]

00:57:23   about and i dont the entire tech industries in that holding power [TS]

00:57:27   turn to say what's going to be the next big thing even if the next breakout [TS]

00:57:30   thing is oh my god iPad sales are doing a hockey stick and they're going out of [TS]

00:57:34   control and so many people are excited about Apple again in the news again that [TS]

00:57:39   could be it too bad but everybody is like there's no company that's like [TS]

00:57:42   Apple's just kind of like boring and not really grown like he used to but Sam's I [TS]

00:57:47   got excited now simpson's got another phone and so you know I have another [TS]

00:57:50   phone and Samsung have nothing do you think you know Samsung gonna come out [TS]

00:57:54   with its you know Galaxy watches that going to be the exciting things that [TS]

00:57:57   everybody is just kind of like all right and that was ridiculously punished for [TS]

00:58:02   you know burning so brightly before and now it's like re will you be punished by [TS]

00:58:06   the market and you have to go into the corner and stay there right but it's not [TS]

00:58:10   as if there is someone else [TS]

00:58:12   sweeping past them to be the new darling of the industry that everyone is pinning [TS]

00:58:15   their hopes and dreams honor stock prices going up you know 500 X and over [TS]

00:58:19   the course of two years you know there there is no equivalent to everyone is [TS]

00:58:22   just kind of sitting there you know cross arms saying hi what have you done [TS]

00:58:26   for me lately and it could be true that this entire year goes by and no one does [TS]

00:58:30   anything for those customers with their hands folded but I have listened to the [TS]

00:58:33   audio then call you a better at some transcripts and I think Tim Cook was [TS]

00:58:36   making some pants in that direction of like we might have some entering new [TS]

00:58:42   categories and we're not gonna give you any time lines will he did give a [TS]

00:58:45   timeline he basically said I mean it in a different comment hehe but he [TS]

00:58:49   basically said was we're gonna be releasing new stuff this fall and next [TS]

00:58:54   year so the implication was don't expect much between now and this fall at all he [TS]

00:59:01   would say is we will have new stuff in the Holocaust stuff in the fall I mean [TS]

00:59:05   like obviously if he's not going to be any more specific than new stop to be [TS]

00:59:08   like oh well but he was firm enough on that though that I think what that means [TS]

00:59:13   is all those rumors about there being an iPhone 5s in the spring that's all crap [TS]

00:59:18   you know that's that's probably not going to happen I i think is comments [TS]

00:59:21   made it very clear and I think I think Gruber said to is kind of like like [TS]

00:59:26   setting expectations for what's going to be announced between now and WBC like [TS]

00:59:31   there's [TS]

00:59:31   don't expect a whole lot and was interesting also is that the press [TS]

00:59:36   release this morning [TS]

00:59:37   for the BBC confirmed with a quote from Phil that that at WTC we will have new [TS]

00:59:44   versions of iOS and Mac OS and developers hands so that's that he [TS]

00:59:50   cannot write and said that so we're gonna see ten anyone doubt that well [TS]

00:59:55   we've heard rumors that end I was being delayed delayed but you're gonna have [TS]

01:00:00   you know some version of it if its GNE want to be like I when I was 5 was [TS]

01:00:09   released today in the thing didn't work that well I wanna put on my phone yeah i [TS]

01:00:16   know i will never let me forget that I think I also put I was 5 my phone it was [TS]

01:00:23   a mistake [TS]

01:00:24   9:59 is GM's at WBC and you don't get a ticket John and I don't get a ticket [TS]

01:00:30   doesn't mean we don't hang out we don't get on Google hang out together [TS]

01:00:35   be too busy tonight to watch the video I don't know what that that's that's the [TS]

01:00:43   problem like if that happened like all the Realtek sites with it was like the [TS]

01:00:47   people who write every day for us their job would have 10 9 reviews up in like a [TS]

01:00:51   day or two and I would not be like months and months and it wouldn't be [TS]

01:00:57   like for me taking you know three months to write something it isn't three months [TS]

01:01:02   better than someone who wrote there in two days is just not so that's all fine [TS]

01:01:07   if I take my three months before the real-estate and other views arrived on [TS]

01:01:10   that you don't care how long it took me right but I don't think I'm gonna wait [TS]

01:01:14   for the amount of time you saw you wonder how long I'll be able to spend on [TS]

01:01:18   my review of your review should I write a review of your review of his you know [TS]

01:01:23   I think that might have been my highest traffic post 2012 hotels and yeah I was [TS]

01:01:31   obviously and now you have like to have your number to have all the all the many [TS]

01:01:40   people linked to your the second I am really [TS]

01:01:43   Google very upset [TS]

01:01:45   mind you that's hilarious number one it for a while sorry that wasn't our know [TS]

01:01:59   you but nurses in the title to my name is not know your name is on the title so [TS]

01:02:04   rest assured the people not having trouble finding their view yeah that's [TS]

01:02:15   right so anything else about earnings are worth is where things to like you [TS]

01:02:20   know people who are expecting things earlier than that like new laptops or [TS]

01:02:24   anything [TS]

01:02:24   look at the look at Intel's roadmap for what they would put into laptops or Mac [TS]

01:02:29   Pros or IMAX and looks like everything basically waiting on as well right now [TS]

01:02:33   but as far as I know how likely coming out until third quarter right you know [TS]

01:02:38   the the Apple Intel magic of them getting stuff like not even ahead so [TS]

01:02:44   much just like the fact the first day of the quarter they can happen and well [TS]

01:02:48   ahead of schedule is exactly what he said would be we've given a preferential [TS]

01:02:52   treatment and they're able to arrange it so they can have their stuff out exactly [TS]

01:02:56   as the stuff arrives anybody on there still is not even [TS]

01:03:00   yeah right now we're still the the current the EF five series and the e3 [TS]

01:03:05   series is Sandy Bridge EP but then they there's an e3 v2 line which I guess is [TS]

01:03:12   looking to service I totally missed this it's basically the Ivy Bridge EP version [TS]

01:03:18   but it's just single processor there's no there's no dual processor versions of [TS]

01:03:21   the snowy 5-4 as I can tell that yet [TS]

01:03:24   well honestly like my favorite CPU right now for servers that the best bang for [TS]

01:03:31   buck like that I can get on a server right now is the e3 1270 totally it's [TS]

01:03:37   important I'm totally on board with a single processor Nunzia on Mac Pro [TS]

01:03:42   replacing machine because if you can have it if you can get a clock higher [TS]

01:03:45   than you can get earlier than his yawn as other possible advantages you know in [TS]

01:03:50   terms of packaging and power consumption i turn my nose up at that [TS]

01:03:54   I would prefer Xeon and all the other you know he's here and all that crazy [TS]

01:03:58   crap that we should not pay for but we do but like you know better I'll take [TS]

01:04:04   what I can get [TS]

01:04:05   yeah I mean even like my current Mac Pro might might you know put new program 22 [TS]

01:04:11   2010 generation it's a single socket because the single socket CPU it's it's [TS]

01:04:16   the sex acts 3.33 gigahertz one and that for almost every type of workflow is [TS]

01:04:21   faster than the ones who do not like the old days where you had a single CPU that [TS]

01:04:27   meant you had a single thread of execution that's right they all die con [TS]

01:04:31   tu Corazon them and it's like well you just have one CPU or RAM slots at this [TS]

01:04:36   point and and so like you know if if they made an epiphany generation a Mac [TS]

01:04:40   Pro only has one socket in in any configuration that she wouldn't be that [TS]

01:04:45   bad because the single socket Xeons now are so good that although it did you [TS]

01:04:53   make a heck of a lot of profit of the bigger ones though but I don't know [TS]

01:04:56   we'll see I i certainly think that my next Mac Pro after this assuming it [TS]

01:05:02   still uses eons is probably still gonna be a single socket one and I bet it to [TS]

01:05:07   be true for a whole lot of buyers would spring for the double it wasn't like add [TS]

01:05:11   another CPU for $2000 like it's not ridiculous like it would be about it [TS]

01:05:16   would be at like at least 1,500 and it would be lower clock and look at the [TS]

01:05:19   prices because that's all that's all Intel really look at the prices now I [TS]

01:05:22   have to I had to think about it hard because like it's not as not as if it's [TS]

01:05:26   not as if this is a value if I can calculate all I really I don't need this [TS]

01:05:31   you know I don't like its binding machine once every five years damnit I [TS]

01:05:35   wanted to be the big beefy one that I'll just have to decide do I think that [TS]

01:05:39   really is the big if you want because you know like I said it probably would [TS]

01:05:42   be lower clock to get up there are too many variables plane as we just want [TS]

01:05:47   something called the Mac Pro whatever it is something that's not an iMac [TS]

01:05:51   something that's not a laptop on a Mac Mini and that's really really didn't [TS]

01:05:56   didn't cook say last year that sometime during 2013 they would have something [TS]

01:06:01   that will make the customer side of what he said was later next [TS]

01:06:06   year so the later applies to but that certainly does correspond well to the [TS]

01:06:12   next iteration of the Xeons [TS]

01:06:15   beyond that I mean if he just said in in so many words that there's not going to [TS]

01:06:19   be anything until the fall [TS]

01:06:21   it sounds like he's run out of time and he shouldn't say he Apple's running out [TS]

01:06:25   of time I don't think anyone does like seven people waiting for the answer to [TS]

01:06:29   that question of you are very very 12 but when he was actually referring to is [TS]

01:06:36   like you know whatever I get calls like possibly entering a new product category [TS]

01:06:43   whatever that means it means something more exciting than a new iPhone iPad Mac [TS]

01:06:48   that's that's but yes and you know anyone that produces enough excitement [TS]

01:06:54   to cause any sort of market bond that's like alright well that's what we all [TS]

01:06:58   aspect that's when you're right time that is what we're waiting for but we're [TS]

01:07:01   gonna sit here with their arms folded until we get the best thing and so well [TS]

01:07:06   one thing that was also really interesting from the call was a number [TS]

01:07:09   of iPads sold and and this was this was crazy basically they sold like [TS]

01:07:13   nineteen-point something million iPads and that was more than they sold in the [TS]

01:07:18   holiday quarter that makes sense because if you look at all looking at a Cinco [TS]

01:07:23   para state used graphs VVIP if you look at all whenever he overlays them so you [TS]

01:07:29   can just see it like let's just put each products beginning of each product [TS]

01:07:32   introduction and pin them to the you know the zero on the x-axis and you look [TS]

01:07:37   at the slopes of the very scared like here's how the iPad took off and here's [TS]

01:07:40   how the Mac the coffin here's how the iPhone took off the iPad always had the [TS]

01:07:44   steepest slope like boiling over small the absolute values are pretty high but [TS]

01:07:48   it's like boy the iPad is taking off much deeper than the iPhone the iPhone [TS]

01:07:52   to go much deeper than the iPod and Mac is just no way back it's a gradual [TS]

01:07:56   ramp-up nothing so yeah it's not it's not a surprise that the iPad continues [TS]

01:08:01   to rack up like that and that's kind of like the wild card which if you want to [TS]

01:08:06   be optimistic but Apple is where is the ceiling on iPad sales because it is so [TS]

01:08:14   capable of replacing a PC for so many people become more capable in time [TS]

01:08:19   you know and they'll keep driving the price down and we're just kind of just [TS]

01:08:24   getting off the ground like we're a trip like the the iPhone 3G s stage of the [TS]

01:08:27   iPad right now you know I mean like we got to the one and only got them on its [TS]

01:08:31   faster and cooler but its fatter and now we got the mini but we're now waiting [TS]

01:08:35   for the big 12 shrink like we are not even once the iPad it's like the iPhone [TS]

01:08:40   four stage and an iPhone 5 and behind I think there is tremendous potential for [TS]

01:08:46   these things as not as PC replacement basically not you have this instead of a [TS]

01:08:52   PC but for people who never had a PC before this will get them in the door [TS]

01:08:56   for people who do have a PC they're going to buy this is a companion stopped [TS]

01:08:59   using their PC as much and we're nowhere close to the CIA vs the phone market [TS]

01:09:04   where it's like the competitors are locked in a deadly battle and you know [TS]

01:09:09   the number of non smartphones is dwindling I think they were they just [TS]

01:09:13   crossed 50% smart on smartphones and unless there is not there is not dislike [TS]

01:09:17   ridiculous upside rely go by this time next year there will be seven texts many [TS]

01:09:22   smartphones sold at that time is over but that time is not over for the iPad [TS]

01:09:26   so you know there's this thing is there's no competitors in the tablet [TS]

01:09:31   market are not making a dent in the iPad so far so that's not true buchanan [TS]

01:09:37   candles well well yeah I mean everyone else does so you have to come to nobody [TS]

01:09:44   and nobody knows how much they've really sold do they mean everyone the market [TS]

01:09:49   share grassroots like you know Android vs iPhone and Android is like 50 [TS]

01:09:54   something percent and iPhone is like 20 like it's every time you say tablets [TS]

01:09:58   like Apple has like 70 or 80 depending on who's counting what will but i think [TS]

01:10:02   is steadily going down I think it used to be Apple had like 85 to 90 and then [TS]

01:10:07   you know it's been slowly creeping down now it's like 79 like it's [TS]

01:10:12   they still have obviously a dominant hold on and [TS]

01:10:14   think that's up its ok for that to go on and win the overall size of the market [TS]

01:10:17   is going up so rapidly [TS]

01:10:19   right okay to be like I think of the king of the iPod the iPod hovered around [TS]

01:10:24   70 for a long time and that was just plain fun seventy was considered [TS]

01:10:28   dominant because like other plus random you know competitors only gonna have [TS]

01:10:32   like 30 percent of something but everyone you know you want to buy music [TS]

01:10:35   players can get an iPod and it really does that look as you have been over [TS]

01:10:38   everyone kind of assume that the iPod was like pretty much the only game in [TS]

01:10:41   town I think if I think if you look at an out there was there was pegged the [TS]

01:10:44   number and 70 something it wasn't you know wasn't this done as you would think [TS]

01:10:48   of it because we never would consider it feels like 110 people buying besides [TS]

01:10:51   iPod wouldn't even know where to go for such a thing but you know those things [TS]

01:10:56   probably were like you know number one and number two is likes like 1% I know [TS]

01:11:01   cuz it's like they're so many entries in that it was the the second plurality or [TS]

01:11:07   something I don't know I don't know math I'm just a programmer III think it's [TS]

01:11:15   it's also worth pointing out based on what he said about smartphones market [TS]

01:11:18   and everything that that we have crossed an important threshold in the industry [TS]

01:11:24   and and I don't think in the end she knows it yet so I'm going to announce it [TS]

01:11:27   here [TS]

01:11:28   big news you heard it here first my mother just purchased her first [TS]

01:11:33   smartphone really how much how much prompting from you I told her not to get [TS]

01:11:38   on actually I didn't want to support that and her needs for like she had she [TS]

01:11:45   has a MacBook Air and loves it she had an iMac an iBook before that she [TS]

01:11:50   actually figured out the computer pretty well I was I was pleasantly surprised [TS]

01:11:54   she's really really non-technical I was pleasantly surprised by how well she [TS]

01:11:58   doesn't computer but I told her you don't need an iPad and you don't need a [TS]

01:12:02   smartphone because I know what she does and doesn't do for the most part and you [TS]

01:12:06   know just [TS]

01:12:08   and she she abused our phones and just get whatever cheap food fun you can get [TS]

01:12:13   so she's had the phone for years she just got her first smartphone against my [TS]

01:12:17   advice can you guess what phone she got a gal casino free iPhone 4 [TS]

01:12:25   John you are you are correct [TS]

01:12:28   even though I told her she was she was visiting here we know might shoot [TS]

01:12:33   visiting my library of old iPhones in my house a couple of weeks ago a month ago [TS]

01:12:38   and and I showed her academic here's the iPhone 4 here's the iPhone 5 and ensure [TS]

01:12:43   the for SBS who cares I knew she wouldn't care but the difference here is [TS]

01:12:48   the four years the five and I told her specifically do not get the free one the [TS]

01:12:53   one that even a hundred bucks more is way better because the forehead so much [TS]

01:12:59   better than the four and I sort of the five and look for 200 you can get this [TS]

01:13:04   one it is way better than even the middle one and you know trust me this is [TS]

01:13:09   this is the right now try and push it will finally get the 16 gig that you the [TS]

01:13:12   cheapest one trust me get that it's great and if you if you don't wanna [TS]

01:13:17   spend 200 bucks at least been there before us do not get the iPhone four she [TS]

01:13:22   goes against the iPhone 4 and called me like afterwards and hey guess what I and [TS]

01:13:28   she kept saying it was free I know you told me to do it but this one was free [TS]

01:13:33   and it was so nice batteries it was so powerful that that's why this really [TS]

01:13:40   really matters a lot to have that in in the free category mean it matter so much [TS]

01:13:46   that you know people are thinking about the plan costs over time or you know how [TS]

01:13:52   how you can just spend a hundred bucks over this $2,000 phone contracts 100 [TS]

01:13:58   bucks more have way better device the whole time cuz she's actually actually [TS]

01:14:01   will keep it the whole two years I she's not gonna upgrade earlier and you think [TS]

01:14:05   so it's just so judge I have I'm still rocking my for us because I'm too cheap [TS]

01:14:11   to get a new one every year the forest is a decent phone and today's standards [TS]

01:14:15   it's it's a heavy big brick but it's decent [TS]

01:14:19   Apple 2013 to-do list you know to [TS]

01:14:24   add more variety for this phone line up like make a purpose-built low cost you [TS]

01:14:30   know free phone instead of having the old one because I think you can get a [TS]

01:14:33   better phone out for similar costs and similar margins than just three doing [TS]

01:14:38   that maybe I'm wrong about you can tell you that manufactures double like think [TS]

01:14:41   of how much better you would feel if she was getting a free phone with exactly [TS]

01:14:45   the same power and specs as the iPhone 4 but like not an actual iPhone 4 like [TS]

01:14:50   made a purpose-built thing made with old technology but in newer phone [TS]

01:14:55   plastic shell crab people like you do have the technology now to make a better [TS]

01:15:02   phone that may be used I Shrunk origins of components maybe you can make a [TS]

01:15:05   little bit smaller and lighter maybe you can bump up the margin a little bit you [TS]

01:15:08   know I know what they want to keep making the same phone you got the [TS]

01:15:11   assembly lines going you got the parts going it so you're in a group the cost [TS]

01:15:14   of everything is going way way down but there's that certain point where like [TS]

01:15:18   you know remember when USB one started become more expensive than USB to there [TS]

01:15:22   was a cross like if you actually wanted to put USB one on your motherboard and [TS]

01:15:28   your computer you will end up paying more because everybody when you have old [TS]

01:15:31   ram and you want to upgrade like you know if you still have some of the uses [TS]

01:15:34   DDR two and you know trying to find that nowadays is that extreme but like I [TS]

01:15:41   think there is definitely a case to be made for it even if only just a [TS]

01:15:44   marketing perspective so you don't you're getting an old home but some [TS]

01:15:48   people do the same knows it sold the iPhone 4 like that before in the forest [TS]

01:15:52   looking the same probably helps in this regard but like I would feel bad if I [TS]

01:15:58   was Apple that people are out there today coming home with a new phone that [TS]

01:16:02   is just as old as the iPhone 4 I'd rather than coming over the phone with [TS]

01:16:05   similar power but maybe better battery life may be slightly better screen like [TS]

01:16:09   maybe maybe yes maybe no class on the back like all the things you can do to [TS]

01:16:14   like make a plastic make it more durable for people who you know are not gonna be [TS]

01:16:18   as precious about their phones right there I don't know how they make it work [TS]

01:16:23   financially in terms of making the same phone [TS]

01:16:26   cheaper vs making new one but the power of free with contract to usne whether or [TS]

01:16:31   not [TS]

01:16:32   elsewhere I would really like to see them do that and come out with a line of [TS]

01:16:37   phones with the same sort of the same price points for a $99 $2.99 and then [TS]

01:16:41   respond but not have a series of office supplies have been like are you just [TS]

01:16:47   getting the old phone you know that there's something about that that makes [TS]

01:16:52   me feel like they're they're not they're leaving the living money and reputation [TS]

01:16:55   on the table by continuing to cell phones and that's far and so the [TS]

01:16:59   previous one fine but don't go back like two models three models I mean I guess I [TS]

01:17:03   think like you know think about the tech world think about what you were doing [TS]

01:17:07   and what else was around when the iPhone 4 came out you know that the iPhone 4 [TS]

01:17:11   came out a few months after the iPad 141 think nobody wanted a pet 11 tonight at [TS]

01:17:19   this point you can't like any pressure to give them away like their children [TS]

01:17:23   turn their noses up at the games so you know it cannot read for the iPad won by [TS]

01:17:30   a few months and like it was in 2010 I was still a tumblr when that when the [TS]

01:17:35   iPhone 4 came out and just thinking about how long we've had Retina screen [TS]

01:17:40   like now it seems like we've always had written the screen on our phones maybe [TS]

01:17:44   not everything else but our phones of course with screens know it's been since [TS]

01:17:48   2010 which was almost three years ago and I just can't believe there's people [TS]

01:17:55   now getting a for devices with crappy home buns and questionable antenna [TS]

01:18:00   designs but more RAM you know make it an 84 make it shrink it may be slightly [TS]

01:18:08   higher clock and double the RAM and then all of a sudden it's not as embarrassing [TS]

01:18:11   anymore is not as not as much a pain for software developers who have to deal [TS]

01:18:16   with this I mean it's just so it's a much better for everyone involved then [TS]

01:18:19   you probably wouldn't care that much to your mom got the iPhone 3G model was [TS]

01:18:23   like oh well it's not that easy I disagree because what do you think the [TS]

01:18:27   likelihood is that the iPhone 4 will run iOS 7 when it comes as a pressure I [TS]

01:18:34   peace [TS]

01:18:35   well but as a developer and care if there's no selling August like last year [TS]

01:18:42   they were still selling 3G S's until the iPhone 5 came out well that's why I said [TS]

01:18:47   double the RAM because like it ran like that's why multitasking couldn't go on [TS]

01:18:51   the other phones CPU power in GPR power keeps you out of games and stuff but I [TS]

01:18:56   think it probably passed the point now where they're adding OS features that [TS]

01:18:59   can run because the CPU constraints always Rambis it's still relatively RAM [TS]

01:19:03   starved and there's no getting around that is nothing you can do to optimize [TS]

01:19:06   your code to like the OS is taking up a bigger portion of RAM you have less left [TS]

01:19:11   over for you never know how you optimize your stuff you can't fix the LSO that's [TS]

01:19:16   you know the forest its 2203 jess was even worse [TS]

01:19:21   around for that long is just the RAM levels was like for the three judges [TS]

01:19:26   have won 28 to 21 28 and then you know knows 23669 ok see ya like 512 one gig [TS]

01:19:35   like if you look at the the ramp things they're doubling right and we're not out [TS]

01:19:38   of the uncomfortable part we're still and you know even with the one gig you [TS]

01:19:42   feel like I run a big game that could be pushing up against the edge there one [TS]

01:19:47   witness took us back in that regard a little bit of everything start taking [TS]

01:19:50   all the testers never think they're taking away more RAM four times I'm not [TS]

01:19:54   even talking about adding swap find that still no swap we're still ok with that [TS]

01:19:59   because we don't we don't realize that you know the promise constraints of the [TS]

01:20:03   reason for that right but always get out of the woods we go through two or three [TS]

01:20:07   more Dublin periods I'm gonna be like all right there's nothing they're going [TS]

01:20:10   to do with the OS and any one individual out that's going to hose you know to get [TS]

01:20:16   a four gig phone and then your mom has a four gig phone even if that phone is [TS]

01:20:22   three years old you like four gigs it'll be fun but I can't I can't I don't know [TS]

01:20:25   what they could add that will make a four gig phones out don't get that one [TS]

01:20:29   doesn't have enough RAM to run the OS two basic apps I want to wrap it up [TS]

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01:21:20   you next week now this show they didn't even mean to begin accidental [TS]

01:21:34   john Kasay [TS]

01:21:39   because it was accidental [TS]

01:21:42   and you can t be L A T Marco [TS]

01:22:22   is my choice in that I feel like I'm subconsciously making my boy [TS]

01:22:27   synthetically deep because there's an audience now as though there wasn't an [TS]

01:22:31   audience before well maybe it feels more real now seriously done everything KK [TS]

01:22:37   see myself coming to this episode [TS]

01:22:43   lubricated let's just say I had an after work function where I might have had a [TS]

01:22:49   drink or two and I definitely have some of my what we call the the coffee the [TS]

01:22:55   fussy coffee I fussy vodka [TS]

01:22:57   what exactly you mean I know this is probably not relevant to the show but [TS]

01:23:01   who cares what exactly is fussy vodka I don't think there is really such a thing [TS]

01:23:05   it's just a vodka that you have to special order from our local so so the [TS]

01:23:10   to get alcohol in Virginia to go to an ABC store which is a state-run thing and [TS]

01:23:16   so in order to get this particular bottle of IKF to special order it and [TS]

01:23:22   that's what I've done so it's marginally fussy I guess I'm not a coffee drinker [TS]

01:23:29   so it's the next best thing right now I'm John I'm curious do you have fussy [TS]

01:23:33   water water gets is I let the tap run and tell you know this the water that's [TS]

01:23:41   been sitting in the pipes and kind of going up to room temperature runs out a [TS]

01:23:45   little bit colder water losses against fantastic so I guess you wanna start the [TS]

01:23:53   show it maybe this is the show already now this is not the show [TS]