00:00:31 ◼ ► I mean, you're obviously not a caseless, casey-less, but do you roll with the case or no?
00:01:20 ◼ ► And it didn't sound like much, but I picked it up, and it hit the back corner, and so the
00:01:41 ◼ ► Well, fun fact, I'm pretty damn sure we covered this on the show, but the Express replacement
00:01:48 ◼ ► If you're going to get this thing fixed, I would strongly advise for you to do so at an
00:01:59 ◼ ► I mean, that is certainly the easier way if you would like to set $100 aflame, but I...
00:02:07 ◼ ► And I figure, you know, this phone, yeah, because my battery, you know, I don't baby it.
00:02:16 ◼ ► And, you know, this phone is about to either be traded in, in which case it requires replacement,
00:02:23 ◼ ► otherwise it won't be worth anything, or it'll be like a long-term test device phone for me,
00:02:40 ◼ ► It's almost like the very first time Overcast ever got an App Store rejection, because it
00:02:54 ◼ ► Now that my no phone's ever broken streak has been itself broken, maybe I'll be a little
00:03:10 ◼ ► But, and I'm certainly not going to have an argument about AppleCare One or whatever it
00:03:20 ◼ ► I personally have come back around to liking having AppleCare on my phones, particularly
00:03:31 ◼ ► But it gives me a lot of peace of mind that if I have an oops like that, it is, there is
00:03:42 ◼ ► Whereas if I don't have AppleCare, I feel like, well, that's the phone now, you know, because
00:03:46 ◼ ► I'm not about to pay like $600 or I actually didn't get a lot cheaper than the newer ones.
00:03:55 ◼ ► And I figure, you know, on like, there are certain things that I won't get AppleCare on because
00:04:00 ◼ ► So for instance, my laptops, like I don't get AppleCare on my laptops because I don't break
00:04:05 ◼ ► Like, you know, the very first time I ever do, then I'll be upset and then I'll maybe start
00:04:14 ◼ ► Whereas a phone that I'm, especially a phone that you tend to use without a case, you know,
00:05:00 ◼ ► Well, and I feel like, you know, my number of laptops that I have broken is still zero.
00:05:26 ◼ ► All right, but what about when you're like coming over on the ferry and you got your laptop
00:05:42 ◼ ► Or they put them in their backpacks and then drop their backpack from a three-foot height
00:05:58 ◼ ► Let's move on and let's talk about how it's still September and September is Childhood Cancer
00:06:04 ◼ ► And so we are joining our friends at Relay, which is partially ourselves, to raise money
00:06:11 ◼ ► You can go to stjude.org slash ATP to send them a little bit of your money because they deserve
00:06:21 ◼ ► I don't think I've mentioned yet this month that if you donate, and I think the numbers is
00:06:27 ◼ ► at least $60, if I recall correctly, you get some digital downloads, some wallpapers, and
00:06:36 ◼ ► But if you spend at least $100, then that gets you stickers of all six of the podcast-a-thon
00:06:44 ◼ ► These stickers were done by friend of the show, Jelly, or the art anyway, and they are really
00:06:52 ◼ ► And additionally, as we record this, I will be traveling to Memphis extremely soon in order
00:06:57 ◼ ► to participate in said podcast-a-thon, which is Friday from noon till midnight, one true
00:07:07 ◼ ► But I wanted to give a couple of pieces of feedback that we actually received to the ATP
00:07:14 ◼ ► They're a tiny bit long, but I think they're worth it and really, really exemplify what makes
00:07:19 ◼ ► And this is probably going to be most of what we're going to talk about with regard to St.
00:07:22 ◼ ► So Thomas writes, prompted by your discussion on ATP about the St. Jude fundraiser, I wanted to
00:07:33 ◼ ► In June of that year, our one-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Maureen, was diagnosed with acute myeloid
00:07:41 ◼ ► We were lucky to live close to one of the best cancer hospitals in Europe, the Princess Maximus
00:07:55 ◼ ► Our doctors closely collaborated with the doctors at St. Jude, providing access to cutting-edge
00:08:01 ◼ ► We witnessed the progress being made in cancer research thanks to fundraisers like yours.
00:08:05 ◼ ► When our daughter's leukemia unfortunately came back the following year, she got a new treatment
00:08:10 ◼ ► It was still experimental at the time, but continued research is confirming it to be a superior treatment
00:08:26 ◼ ► And I will just interrupt this to say that all three of us are incredibly sorry to Thomas and
00:08:33 ◼ ► And I cannot believe you spent the time to write this because that is extremely kind of
00:08:38 ◼ ► And I don't know if I would have had the, I don't know if gumption's the word I'm looking
00:08:53 ◼ ► And let me remind you that the slogan for this year and perhaps forevermore is let's give
00:08:59 ◼ ► So if you're moved by this, please feel free to honor Marine, which is spelled M-A-R-I-G-N
00:09:12 ◼ ► I recently underwent treatment for skin cancer, melanoma, which included a year of immunotherapy
00:09:24 ◼ ► The fact that St. Jude gives away these medications to patients is not something you should ignore.
00:09:28 ◼ ► The medication, and I'm cutting a little bit, but the medication cost a quarter of a million
00:09:35 ◼ ► The nurse would hang the packet of medication on the IV and I would look at it and think that
00:09:51 ◼ ► Please feel free to send them a little bit of our money, and we need to talk about that.
00:09:58 ◼ ► Yeah, we did find the leaderboard that shows the comments on the St. Jude's fundraising site,
00:10:30 ◼ ► We're honoring the people who can give these huge amounts, and that's great and everything,
00:10:50 ◼ ► I'm pretty sure I have sent at least one batch their way, and I'm pretty sure they have gracefully
00:11:02 ◼ ► But yeah, and I mean, please, like John said, don't feel like you have to donate $12,000 plus.
00:11:12 ◼ ► We're watching all these donations come through, and all of them make us very, very happy.
00:11:17 ◼ ► All right, let's do some follow-up, and I think this might be an all-follow-up episode.
00:11:21 ◼ ► And let's start with we need to fire slash sack someone, and I believe that someone might
00:11:29 ◼ ► In the last episode, I said that Stephen Hackett thought the name of what was eventually called
00:11:53 ◼ ► And then we were having a conversation about microns and micrometers and micrometers and
00:12:01 ◼ ► And I don't know why I didn't think of this, but it was one of those times that I got myself
00:12:04 ◼ ► wrapped around the axle, and I didn't want to participate and say, yes, this is definitely
00:12:07 ◼ ► But someone whose name is probably John has done some research and figured out that what
00:12:17 ◼ ► So reading from Wikipedia, in American English, the use of micron may help differentiate the
00:12:27 ◼ ► A measuring device because that unit's name in American spelling is a homograph of the device's
00:12:31 ◼ ► In spoken English, they are distinguished by pronunciation as the name of the measuring device is stressed
00:12:35 ◼ ► on the second syllable, micrometer, whereas the unit name places the stress on the first
00:13:02 ◼ ► From what we knew last week, it was a portless battery pack, and it turns out that is incorrect.
00:13:13 ◼ ► The average eBay seller puts 10,000 pictures of the thing they're selling for five bucks,
00:13:23 ◼ ► And if you found the super high-res version of the slim iPhone Air battery pack and zoomed
00:14:04 ◼ ► All right, speaking of charging and related, you're going to need a new charger to take
00:14:11 ◼ ► I did not know this until I was doing my research for the episode this morning, and this bummed
00:14:15 ◼ ► So, reading from a 9 to 5 Mac, according to Apple, the iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max
00:14:35 ◼ ► charge your iPhone 17 Pro or iPhone 17 Pro Max as quickly as possible, at least for now.
00:14:39 ◼ ► This is because Apple's charging brick is seemingly the only option on the market that supports this
00:14:46 ◼ ► Now, reading from The Verge, AVS, which stands for Adjustable Voltage Supply, provides granular
00:14:52 ◼ ► voltage options, allowing the power source to offer more precise and efficient charging
00:15:01 ◼ ► and laptops do not charge their maximum possible input for the entirety of the charging cycle.
00:15:05 ◼ ► Instead, it's regulated at predefined voltages to slow down charging as the battery fills.
00:15:09 ◼ ► With AVS, the power source can provide a very specific voltage that is closer to the ideal
00:15:16 ◼ ► However, unlike a true 60-watt charger, Apple's little 40-watt GAN charger cannot maintain
00:15:28 ◼ ► That makes it suitable for fast-charging new iPhone 17 but not a MacBook Pro, which is why
00:15:37 ◼ ► Coming back to 9to5Mac, other fast chargers on the market, like Anker's 45-watt nanocharger,
00:15:48 ◼ ► On the plus side, Anker's charger is two-thirds the cost of Apple's, and it includes a six-foot
00:15:55 ◼ ► I mean, it's interesting that Apple only sells one that will do this, but I would imagine very
00:16:03 ◼ ► Yeah, because the way USB power delivery worked before is there's certain – in fact, if you
00:16:09 ◼ ► read the tiny little text printed in gray-on-gray text on most USB-C charging bricks, it'll give
00:16:28 ◼ ► So my understanding, I think what AVS gives you here, these new chargers, is basically a
00:16:43 ◼ ► only take, you know, a certain wattage right now into the batteries, if, you know, suppose
00:16:48 ◼ ► the charger can only output, like, you know, 10 watts or 20 watts, and it could take 18,
00:17:06 ◼ ► I believe, forgive me if I'm wrong, people who know more about this than I do, I believe
00:17:12 ◼ ► It's more than that, I believe, because I think, again, I'm going, I'm shooting from the hip
00:17:16 ◼ ► a little bit here, but I think that the voltage levels that this supports are down to, like,
00:17:20 ◼ ► 0.1 volts, as opposed to normal USB PD or previous USB power delivery, which was something
00:17:26 ◼ ► like you were saying before, like 10 volts, 20 volts, or 10, 15, 25, you know, something
00:17:30 ◼ ► This goes down to, like, goes in increments of, like, 0.1 volts or something along those lines.
00:17:40 ◼ ► about, you know, your existing chargers with this or all the other chargers on the market
00:17:43 ◼ ► so far, with the exception of, I believe, the Google Pixel recent one for the same reason,
00:17:48 ◼ ► keep in mind that, like, when iPhones have gotten faster charging abilities before, and
00:17:59 ◼ ► It's not as much as you think most of the time because the battery still does slow down
00:18:05 ◼ ► Now, this will help it slow down maybe more gradually and have, you know, as we were saying,
00:18:11 ◼ ► like, have those more granular steps in the meantime, which will charge it faster, but it's
00:18:19 ◼ ► It's going to be, you know, as they say, like, in this example of, like, it'll go from 30 minutes
00:18:23 ◼ ► to 20 minutes, and that's, like, probably, that's a best case scenario, probably, if you're
00:18:32 ◼ ► That's from, I'm assuming, from 0 to 50%, which is, like, the easiest part to charge, and you
00:18:40 ◼ ► Right, yeah, like, if you're trying to charge it from 50 to 100, that's going to be substantially
00:18:46 ◼ ► slower, and that's always going to be the case with lithium-ion batteries, but this kind
00:18:50 ◼ ► of thing, if you're frequently charging in that range, this kind of thing probably won't
00:18:58 ◼ ► Like, ideally, you know, this will be great once these are more universal, but it's not
00:19:02 ◼ ► necessarily, like, something to, like, oh, my God, I have to go throw out all my chargers
00:19:07 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm really debating if I want to pick one of these up, because in the living room,
00:19:11 ◼ ► we have, as most families, I'm sure, do, we have, like, the one USB-C cord that's connected
00:19:20 ◼ ► emergency, well, not that we can't use it other times, but in particular, like, emergency
00:19:24 ◼ ► use, oh, we're about to leave the house, no, my battery's dying, and I didn't realize it,
00:19:52 ◼ ► hour, I got to charge up as much as I can, like, you know, that kind of thing, you know,
00:19:56 ◼ ► Although, I have to say, like, the shape of this one, which is very similar to the shape
00:20:00 ◼ ► of, like, the two USB-C port one that comes with MacBook Airs, if you option it for the
00:20:10 ◼ ► Like, the Apple one looks so beautiful, and it's like a rounded top, but then it's got sharp
00:20:14 ◼ ► edges on the bottom, and it's just not particularly space efficient and not the shape that I usually
00:20:20 ◼ ► want in terms of how much room does it take up on a power strip, how well does it hold into
00:20:24 ◼ ► So, I'm not a big fan of Apple's chargers, but, you know, slim pickings on the market right
00:20:31 ◼ ► All right, Marco, last episode, you were speculating about whether the A19 is a Bind A19 Pro, an
00:20:43 ◼ ► They share a lot of IP, but they are two unique variants, each with their own layout and footprint.
00:20:47 ◼ ► This provides energy and cost savings for the non-pro phones, since they don't have all
00:20:56 ◼ ► And also, I would love to know if any of the cores are different, like probably the efficiency
00:21:01 ◼ ► cores are the same, or the power cores different from each other in any way besides the amount
00:21:16 ◼ ► Single core, I'm not going to read these numbers, but suffice to say single core is about
00:21:26 ◼ ► Can I, maybe I'm being a dummy, but how are we getting like 10% and 15% increments on the
00:21:35 ◼ ► Well, and 3P and good architecture changes, and the metal score has got to be, like, because
00:21:43 ◼ ► It's just the metal compute score, and it's those embedded neural engines, neural accelerators
00:21:48 ◼ ► or whatever, like that's where they're getting the big numbers on the GPUs, because they added
00:21:52 ◼ ► like, I don't know what those things are, but everything they were touting is coming out
00:21:58 ◼ ► This is from Searching Geekbench for iPhone 18,1, which, believe it or not, is the signifier
00:22:10 ◼ ► But yeah, these are numbers were just averaged together from all the results that were found
00:22:15 ◼ ► So maybe the numbers will change a little bit as, like, the quote-unquote official ones go
00:22:21 ◼ ► 8% faster in single, 13% faster in multi, and I think the metal one is all the accelerators.
00:22:43 ◼ ► Keep in mind that, like, this single-core score, while impressive, is not as high as the M4.
00:22:58 ◼ ► Oh, and later in this marathon of follow-up, I will take both of you to task for something
00:24:00 ◼ ► Now, on the upside, my metal score is almost three times as fast, and I have eight times
00:24:12 ◼ ► We're still waiting for a worthy successor, but just to keep the world updated, the 2019
00:24:36 ◼ ► This A19 Pro, I don't know what the maximum wattage it uses is, but I got to imagine it's
00:24:41 ◼ ► a heck of a lot less than that huge honking Xeon, or Xeon, sorry, whatever it's called.
00:24:45 ◼ ► So this is incredible performance, performance not only in terms of speed, but in terms of
00:24:53 ◼ ► I mean, for all of Apple's issues these days, their chip team, and I know they've had some
00:25:00 ◼ ► departures recently, but their chip team, I can't imagine they're firing on anything less
00:25:07 ◼ ► I mean, for all the complaints we have about Apple recently, I don't think any of them are
00:25:17 ◼ ► don't think it's a coincidence that, like, when people talk about, like, potential successors
00:25:23 ◼ ► to Tim Cook, John Ternus is often mentioned recently as, like, maybe, possibly another, like,
00:25:31 ◼ ► I don't think that's out of the question, and I, you know, I mean, obviously, this is a very
00:25:36 ◼ ► different job, you know, so who knows what he would be like as a CEO, but, like, if you
00:25:40 ◼ ► look at where Apple is right now, their software is, eh, it's a little shaky, their design,
00:25:48 ◼ ► eh, a little shaky, you know, like, but, like, the hardware, rock-solid awesomeness constantly
00:26:00 ◼ ► What other time in Apple history have you been able to point to the hardware lineup and have
00:26:07 ◼ ► There's nothing in the lineup that we could, that, like, if some relative came to us and
00:26:11 ◼ ► be like, oh, I just bought so-and-so without asking you, like, there's nothing that we'd
00:26:23 ◼ ► The hardware lineup is just incredible, and it's, there seems to be no end in sight to its
00:26:30 ◼ ► Like, it's, hardware is on a roll, a multi-year, very strong roll, and it's, they really deserve
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00:28:56 ◼ ► By the way, before we enter the plateau, um, plateau, um, before we mount the plateau, we
00:29:05 ◼ ► So I did want to call out, I think it's a little bit BS-y to talk about phone thickness now.
00:29:15 ◼ ► Well, yeah, but it's, it's like, I think the air really shows how ridiculous this discussion has
00:29:22 ◼ ► gotten when you're like, the phone is, you know, five point, whatever, 5.5 ish millimeters thick.
00:29:28 ◼ ► I was like, well, a lot of it is, but it is a huge part of the top that is a lot thicker
00:29:35 ◼ ► And so can you really say the phone is that thick when only a portion of it is like, like
00:29:42 ◼ ► when the MacBook Air was wedge shaped, no one ever said the MacBook Air is 0.2 or whatever
00:29:51 ◼ ► Like, no, it was always like, it was explained like it's 0.2 at the thinnest point, you know,
00:30:04 ◼ ► I think it is, it is misleading and not very useful anymore to describe the thickness of
00:30:11 ◼ ► iPhones by their big flat part on the bottom and kind of ignore the fact that the camera
00:30:17 ◼ ► plateau is there for thickness consideration because it's so thick now and it's so wide.
00:30:40 ◼ ► I think it's fine, but your, but your, your idea of, you're mentioning the MacBook Air gives
00:31:02 ◼ ► You know, it's probably a terrible idea, but like, you know, apparently we can't get the
00:31:31 ◼ ► I don't think someone's like, Oh, I had made a slot in my house to fit through and doesn't
00:31:40 ◼ ► So at a certain point, a wedge shape starts to become, or like, I mean, they kind of did
00:31:44 ◼ ► that with the, with the 17 pro by like having the iconic plateau, be even more plateau.
00:31:50 ◼ ► You could just keep making that bigger and bigger and shove all sorts of stuff up in there, which
00:32:09 ◼ ► like we were looking at it all back when we were looking at like the mockup models that
00:32:31 ◼ ► And now we know from the presentation, the point in doing that is they put basically all the,
00:32:36 ◼ ► That's what's in the rest of the lodge and is the rest of the phone and leaving the big,
00:32:47 ◼ ► That is also kind of true of the 17 pro, uh, that they've shoved stuff up there because
00:32:53 ◼ ► you've got the three cameras and then way over on the right, you've got like the flash and
00:32:57 ◼ ► And in the middle, there's, there was speculation about them sneaking some battery up under there
00:33:02 ◼ ► I do want to see the, I fix it, tear down of these just to see how much, uh, how, because
00:33:12 ◼ ► They've also hollowed out and I would love to see exactly what they've tucked in there.
00:33:16 ◼ ► But, um, like I said, I think that the logic board is horizontal on the pro and then the
00:33:33 ◼ ► Well, there are, I mean, it's probably, I mean, obviously there's, there's considerations
00:33:36 ◼ ► of things like, you know, how many cameras you can fit and how deep they can be, but also
00:33:40 ◼ ► like heat, maybe like heat dissipation, I think could be not amazing with that kind of layout.
00:33:44 ◼ ► Like, I think we're going to find the 17 pro with the vapor chamber thing like that, you
00:33:49 ◼ ► know, that's going to spread the heat across the whole aluminum, you know, case and the whole
00:33:58 ◼ ► That's the, the, uh, the brand promise of the name air is it will thermal throttle because
00:34:07 ◼ ► Like when they benchmark these things, like you're going to see, you know, for, even if
00:34:11 ◼ ► they, we talked about this last time, like, do they have the same peak clock speed, but
00:34:15 ◼ ► run some long running benchmark on the air and boy, is it going to throttle before the pros.
00:34:20 ◼ ► Uh, the iPhone 17 pro, uh, apparently I owe you and Marco may owe you an apology, John.
00:34:37 ◼ ► And so someone actually looked up in the transcript that the, the, the word we use multiple times.
00:35:04 ◼ ► I don't think I processed the implications of unibody, but I, so that's why it was so surprising
00:35:08 ◼ ► It was an extensive discussion and, uh, many words were spoken and, and you like, I put the
00:35:19 ◼ ► I just, I totally blanked on that particular word on that, or I guess on that whole damn
00:35:30 ◼ ► Uh, the millimeter wave antenna is back or the window, I should say is back, uh, on the 14,
00:35:40 ◼ ► It was in the spot that the camera control, or I guess 14 and 15, it was in the spot that
00:35:46 ◼ ► And so there wasn't a bespoke antenna or well, there wasn't a visibly, uh, bespoke antenna
00:35:57 ◼ ► And I think only American phones, because I don't think any other country gets millimeter
00:36:14 ◼ ► Uh, at the top of the phone, I believe it's made of like plastic or glass or something,
00:36:25 ◼ ► Yeah, but the 16, I think it's just integrated with the like antennas on the rim or something,
00:36:37 ◼ ► So the window is back and it is dead center on the top of the phone, which is kind of weird
00:36:45 ◼ ► Um, and speaking of centering, actually, this is not the centering I was talking about, but,
00:36:48 ◼ ► uh, the logo placement on Apple's cases is a little wonky at first glance, but I actually
00:37:02 ◼ ► phones, which have that glass panel on the bottom, the rumor was that the Apple logo would
00:37:12 ◼ ► Um, and then the question was, okay, but if you look at the existing clear Apple case with
00:37:17 ◼ ► the MagSafe ring, now the ring would cross over the Apple, like the Apple wouldn't be in
00:37:25 ◼ ► MagSafe ring is kind of where it always was proportionally speaking, but the Apple logo
00:37:36 ◼ ► And like, cause you know, you've got the ring and then you've got the little vertical, like
00:38:00 ◼ ► They just white out the whole, like the whole glass panel area that the place where the glass
00:38:13 ◼ ► The ring is still what, you know, where it always is and is quote unquote crossing over
00:38:21 ◼ ► But on the cases for the 17 pro that aren't clear, like the tech woven thing, the Apple
00:38:27 ◼ ► logo is centered within the full height of the phone, not centered within the glass panel.
00:38:34 ◼ ► And it would be kind of weird, not that weird, but kind of weird to center the Apple logo
00:38:46 ◼ ► It makes so much more sense than those, those mock-ups with the ring with the break in it,
00:38:53 ◼ ► This makes so much more sense, although it does mean that your clear case is not all that
00:39:00 ◼ ► I do think it's a bit of a misnomer now because it's like it's obviously like most of the actual
00:39:13 ◼ ► And speaking of cases, apparently a lot of case makers made a bet that didn't come true.
00:39:20 ◼ ► So Tyler Hayes writes, I did a web search for iPhone 17 Pro case and the first four out of
00:39:35 ◼ ► This is an article on PC Magazine website and the headline was, who wants to tell these case
00:39:42 ◼ ► There's so many pictures of black iPhone 17 Pros because they just did all their artwork
00:39:51 ◼ ► We don't know what the colors are going to be, but they're sure they're going to have a black
00:39:54 ◼ ► All right, John, what are the actual, what are, what is the actual origin or what is your
00:40:07 ◼ ► Cause those are the only three colors that comes in is whatever it is that really, really dark
00:40:19 ◼ ► In fact, on last episode, I even said the Denver Broncos and apparently Denver Broncos have changed
00:40:23 ◼ ► their logo, but their logo from 1997 to 2023 was a really deep, dark blue, white, and then
00:40:31 ◼ ► Um, Casey, you came up with the GameCube one here, uh, showing the, uh, the really deep blue
00:40:39 ◼ ► I think it's supposed to be the purple GameCube, although the white bounces off on this picture.
00:40:49 ◼ ► I think this is not a good color match because first of all, this image isn't very accurate.
00:41:20 ◼ ► Uh, when I saw the logo of Auburn University, which is where, uh, Tim Cook went to college,
00:42:05 ◼ ► So they're saying that he, you know, paid to get rid of, uh, a football coach paid $21 million
00:42:15 ◼ ► But anyway, what I did find is a strong evidence that he really cares about Auburn football.
00:42:21 ◼ ► And if these really are the Auburn colors, they do look like a very good match for the iPhones.
00:42:27 ◼ ► I would be hard pressed to believe that Tim has anything to do with any of these colors.
00:42:31 ◼ ► However, even though the university of Virginia, uh, does have very similar colors, not the
00:42:36 ◼ ► Uh, I think the Auburn connection is the strongest of, of the available options that have been
00:42:40 ◼ ► presented, uh, and let me tell you as a very big college football fan, it is not at all
00:42:49 ◼ ► In fact, my actual alma mater, uh, Virginia Tech, we just this past week fired our head
00:43:08 ◼ ► I believe at tech, and this is probably true of other universities, but at tech, as far
00:43:16 ◼ ► It all comes from fans and, and people who, you know, uh, donate to their, to, to Virginia
00:43:23 ◼ ► So, um, this is a real thing and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cook did indeed pay a $21
00:43:36 ◼ ► The idea of like, like these, these ridiculous buyout contracts, like, okay, if we don't like
00:43:59 ◼ ► the phone, but everybody who works there knows that he likes Auburn and it could be a way of
00:44:06 ◼ ► like, oh, if we show him this, he's definitely going to approve and, you know, kind of like
00:44:14 ◼ ► Not that they're probably going to say, but it is a weird lineup of colors, no black, really
00:44:28 ◼ ► Um, but, but it's also, you know, orange and blue have been a very popular color combination
00:44:38 ◼ ► So I also like it, it might just be that they, they decided these were cool colors, you
00:44:44 ◼ ► know, also keep in mind, like the, like the, that particular shade of orange looks so far
00:44:52 ◼ ► to the orange on the button on the Apple watch ultra, you know, they've, they've, they've
00:44:59 ◼ ► And like an orange has been used as an, as like an accent on electronics that Apple likes
00:45:05 ◼ ► for a while by companies like Sony and brawn, like that, they provide a lot of like their
00:45:19 ◼ ► And the reason why all these other places also use these colors is also because they're
00:45:30 ◼ ► Because remember the whole thing on the internet, like maybe five years ago where I was like,
00:46:15 ◼ ► So again, I think it's just, these are just cool colors and all, and everyone else is using
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00:48:27 ◼ ► Mark Spoonhour from Tom's Guide, Lance Ulanoff from TechRadar interviews, Jaws and Ternus.
00:48:55 ◼ ► At one point, Jaws is talking about how rugged the iPhones, but particularly the iPhone air
00:49:10 ◼ ► And he hurls, he, as the kids would say, he, you know, yeeted the phone right across the
00:49:26 ◼ ► And sure enough, these two dudes that are probably roughly our age, they try to bend it both ways
00:49:46 ◼ ► What Turner said was it exceeds our internal metrics for bend strength, which Jaws added,
00:49:51 ◼ ► And then, you know, Jaws made the calculation because they're like, oh, you know, so thin,
00:49:57 ◼ ► So he threw it to him, first of all, which is a risk because it could have broken because
00:50:08 ◼ ► Part of the calculation on that is like, are these people going to like Jaws is like, they're
00:50:17 ◼ ► And I believe looking at the video, they did not use all their strength to bend it and break
00:50:22 ◼ ► it in front of them, which we'll see when the real YouTubers with stronger forearms get a
00:50:25 ◼ ► hold of these things and start cracking them in half because every phone will break eventually.
00:50:42 ◼ ► And that's why this is such a genius move because Jaws knows that even if they're capable of breaking
00:51:07 ◼ ► Uh, I don't have any problem believing that it is much sturdier than, for example, the,
00:51:17 ◼ ► So we'll find out once people get these and hook them up to scientific equipment and start
00:51:45 ◼ ► Part, part, part of the risk is that no one is going to really like put their back into
00:52:04 ◼ ► And they, they're applying force, but they're not like, let me get my whole fist around it
00:52:16 ◼ ► Sam Henry Gold writes, I'm guessing the iPhone Air name was last minute because there's still
00:52:43 ◼ ► minute, but like the, the name of these products, like, you know, they're like printing boxes
00:52:47 ◼ ► and stuff like months, like this kind of stuff, like this, this is decided not at the last
00:52:53 ◼ ► Well, the thing is the, the decision is not decided at the last minute, but the information
00:53:03 ◼ ► And they started printing the boxes three weeks past, but that information was not passed on
00:53:16 ◼ ► Mac space, OS space capital letter X to just OS space capital letter X and Apple itself couldn't
00:53:30 ◼ ► And it was like 50, 50 through all the material for the life of that OS that no one could agree
00:53:41 ◼ ► But yeah, sometimes it's within a big organization, especially when the information is not distributed
00:53:50 ◼ ► And even when, you know, like in the lion case, they never decided what it was going to be.
00:53:55 ◼ ► But in this case, when they settled on iPhone air, not everybody got that memo fast enough.
00:54:01 ◼ ► Right before the, the announcement, like the show before the announcement, uh, before we
00:54:06 ◼ ► knew for sure all the details, but like it was, we all, we all had every detail from the
00:54:11 ◼ ► John had asked me in the chat, like what would, what would make me not buy the iPhone air?
00:54:31 ◼ ► But the number three thing I said was if the speakers suck, because I had seen like that
00:54:38 ◼ ► day, I had seen like some mockup from some rumor site and I saw the bottom of the phone
00:54:52 ◼ ► If the speakers suck in the phone, that would really be a problem for me and my usage of the
00:55:01 ◼ ► So this is a video from Max tech who did a really good and really fast paced, you know,
00:55:13 ◼ ► The only speaker is the earpiece speaker that you would use when you're talking on the phone.
00:55:18 ◼ ► So a long time ago, you know, the originally like the only out loud volume speaker of the
00:55:29 ◼ ► They basically put a higher powered speaker as the phone earpiece speaker such that it became
00:55:37 ◼ ► And that way, when you rotate the phone, they can say, look, we have stereo sound now because
00:55:49 ◼ ► So you're going from not only from two speakers to one speaker in the air, but if you were going
00:55:58 ◼ ► So I think the iPhone air is going to be a substantial degradation in both the quality and the total
00:56:31 ◼ ► No, it's because, you know, I am very frequently listening to podcasts out loud on the speaker as
00:57:23 ◼ ► It's not going to be great for all those people who want to talk loudly on speakerphone in public.
00:57:27 ◼ ► Yeah, and I think like the more that we look at the air, like I have tried because I do I am curious.
00:57:36 ◼ ► I'm like, I wonder if I can trade in a bunch of my old test devices and just get an air as a test device, which I might still do because I think it's I think it might be useful.
00:57:49 ◼ ► And like the more I think about it or the more we learn about it, I'm just like, oh, no, I really shouldn't get this phone.
00:57:59 ◼ ► Like so far, you know, the tech press has all been pretty much in agreement that this thing looks and feels pretty cool, but it's not the phone you should buy.
00:58:11 ◼ ► I'm having a hard time coming up with people it's for because they seem to have done a great job with like, you know, the physical design of it.
00:58:21 ◼ ► But I have a feeling that effectively no one is going to buy this phone, which maybe that's OK.
00:58:28 ◼ ► Like, I think honestly, I would love to see Apple continue to make weird phones that take risks and optimize like really hard for certain things.
00:58:36 ◼ ► But if it's going to have the worst cameras and the worst battery life of any phone in their lineup, those are really huge things to most people.
00:59:14 ◼ ► I think it's going to be something that everyone does cool videos on and everyone knows what it looks like and, you know, it looks cool.
00:59:20 ◼ ► And maybe, you know, maybe you'll occasionally see like somebody who who, you know, wants to look flashy.
00:59:36 ◼ ► Like, I'm trying I'm trying to predict, like, when's the first time I'm going to see one in the wild that's not at an Apple store?
00:59:45 ◼ ► Granted, it's a little harder to spot those because, you know, their phones are often in cases.
00:59:59 ◼ ► But it just seems like there's some really big tradeoffs that I don't know anyone who would accept those tradeoffs.
01:00:06 ◼ ► Reports from a day or two ago were that if you were to order an iPhone Air, you'd still get September 19th delivery.
01:00:16 ◼ ► It's, you know, there's also Ming-Chi Kuo was saying, like, what he thinks that the air is not selling, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:24 ◼ ► But the one thing we can see from the outside is, you know, a few days after the phones are launched, usually you can't get day of delivery anymore.
01:00:30 ◼ ► And apparently, as of a day or two ago, you still could get iPhone Air day of delivery.
01:00:42 ◼ ► Maybe they didn't make that many because maybe they did their own forecasting and they nailed it.
01:00:48 ◼ ► And I still – again, I still think Apple – regardless of how much this actually ends up selling, I still think they should do stuff like this.
01:00:54 ◼ ► They should have models that aren't, like, total sales hits but just serve a certain need.
01:01:01 ◼ ► You know, it goes back to kind of your halo car argument, John, of, like, you know, like, Apple should do things that push the envelope and push things forward and have specialty appeal even if they don't appeal to most people.
01:01:11 ◼ ► Like, most people don't buy supercars, but they exist and they're really cool and they serve other purposes in their existence and in their development.
01:01:18 ◼ ► And in their research and what they have trickled down technology-wise to other models and, like – so, the iPhone Air, I think there was lots of reasons to make this phone.
01:01:30 ◼ ► Now, it's possible it'll do better, like, you know, in China, you know, where dynamics are different.
01:02:18 ◼ ► I don't think there's going to be that many people who are willing to accept those trade-offs.
01:02:21 ◼ ► I mostly agree with you, but to argue for the sake of arguing, I think anyone who treats their phone as a fashion item – now, to be fair, I don't really know anyone like that, but I presume the existence of what you were saying earlier.
01:02:34 ◼ ► I think that there are presumably people who will see this and say, oh, my God, this is incredible.
01:02:40 ◼ ► Even though it has not a stellar camera and even though the battery life may be trash, you know, I must have it because it just looks so cool.
01:02:48 ◼ ► Yeah, keep in mind the pre-orders are from people like us, and we have to wait until this gets in stores where regular people can see it.
01:03:00 ◼ ► I think that is certainly, like, a strong motivator, but they released this phone in the same year that they made the Pros look really bold and different, too.
01:03:12 ◼ ► I think a lot of people are going to find the Pro colors ugly and even – and not be able to hide that giant plateau in the case.
01:03:27 ◼ ► But I – because I remember I was saying, like, how she doesn't like ones with lots of cameras in the back.
01:03:33 ◼ ► I think she might be turned off by the plateau or whatever, but I'll actually – I'll ask her about it because I think the fashion angle on this is basically, like –
01:03:41 ◼ ► I bet you'll see, like, fashion influencers having this phone because it's, like, a status symbol or whatever.
01:03:48 ◼ ► I thought the Plus phones would do – I didn't think they'd do great, but I thought they'd do better than they did because we don't know –
01:03:55 ◼ ► But all the doom and gloom I've heard about the Plus phones is, like, they just could not get rid of these things.
01:04:03 ◼ ► I wonder, too, like, you know, with the Plus – because I also, like you, I thought the Plus was going to sell very well.
01:04:21 ◼ ► Like, they get you in the door with one of these things, and they're just like, well, don't you want the MacBook Pro?
01:04:28 ◼ ► It used to be that you – if you wanted the biggest screen, you had to get the high-end line of product.
01:04:32 ◼ ► And over the last few years, they introduced the 15-inch MacBook Air, the 13-inch iPad Air, and the iPhone Plus.
01:04:39 ◼ ► And it seems like none of those are really setting the world on fire, even though at the time – each one of those, when it was introduced, I said, I think on this show, this is going to sell tons of – like, they're going to sell tons of these things.
01:04:50 ◼ ► And they probably thought the same thing, and maybe they had research showing they would.
01:04:56 ◼ ► Like, most people who want the cheapest thing are okay with the smallest thing or even are seeking out the smallest thing.
01:05:04 ◼ ► And then people who are willing to be upsold for a bigger screen are probably also much of the time willing to be upsold to the better features also.
01:05:13 ◼ ► And so we're just not seeing this market materialize of like it's the same thing as the base model but bigger screen.
01:05:23 ◼ ► Whereas that's what I think – what they're trying to do with the iPhone Air now is say, okay, it isn't just the base model but a bigger screen.
01:05:31 ◼ ► It is between the Pro and the base model in capabilities as well, which I think is very smart.
01:05:39 ◼ ► And the fact that they went a different direction with the industrial design, it isn't just the base model with a few bonuses.
01:05:48 ◼ ► No, it's this cool, new, unique thing that if you want this unique industrial design of the super slim most of the way phone, you have to get this model.
01:06:05 ◼ ► I think this is a much more promising strategy overall of, like, make a mid-tier spec product with a unique design to fill that slot.
01:06:17 ◼ ► But I think they made a few too many trade-offs with this implementation of this product, and I don't think it's going to sell well because of those trade-offs.
01:06:32 ◼ ► If you can wave a magic wand and leave all the specs and the price and everything about the iPhone Air the same but shave off the camera plateau and make it completely flush, do you think that changes the attractiveness of this phone?
01:06:46 ◼ ► Because I wonder how much of the – because, like, I think it's going to sell based on its appearance, and I really do – for me personally, I think that camera plateau makes the whole phone ugly, and I wonder how many people are going to have a similar idea.
01:07:04 ◼ ► You can't make a phone with these capabilities that's flat on the back, but, boy, if it was, they'll probably do it eventually.
01:07:11 ◼ ► If we keep doing this show long enough, eventually, technology will exist to make a compromised, thin phone that doesn't have a camera plateau, but that year is not now.
01:07:19 ◼ ► I think it would do a lot better if the Air was the one with the bold, cool, new colors, and the Pro still had its boring colors that it always had.
01:07:30 ◼ ► That, I think, like, if they flip that around, if this was both the new, thin design and also had the cool colors, then I think it would be very, very tempting to a lot more people.
01:07:43 ◼ ► But now it's like, oh, you made these awesome colors in the model that has the best cameras and the best battery life?
01:07:54 ◼ ► To go back a step, if you'll permit me a quick story, you know, we were doing all this home renovation, which is mostly done at this point.
01:08:04 ◼ ► And as part of that, we were redoing the downstairs floors, as we talked about a few weeks ago.
01:08:10 ◼ ► And that meant taking the oven and stove out from the little, like, nook that it's in and moving it out of the way so floors could be put in.
01:08:19 ◼ ► And during that process, we discovered, the people doing it, the contractors discovered, a piece of technology that I was not aware that I was missing that I guess was way under the stove.
01:08:34 ◼ ► I don't recall having lost it, but as we've, particularly John, established many times, my memory is trash.
01:08:44 ◼ ► And I can tell you, this thing still boots, like, the battery is garbage, but I plugged it in.
01:09:35 ◼ ► I'm sure if we were to do this again with 2025 tech, it would in reality be so much thinner, so much smaller, etc.
01:10:17 ◼ ► I cannot speak highly enough about how much I wanted this for the look and feel of it alone.
01:10:25 ◼ ► And I think anyone who treats their phone as much more than a toy is going to choose a different phone.
01:10:47 ◼ ► But I can absolutely fathom a situation where I look at the Air and say, I don't care that it's not perfect.
01:10:56 ◼ ► Now, admittedly, the iPod Nano was fairly perfect in almost every way, except the smaller capacity.
01:11:08 ◼ ► There is a lot of value to that, and that's why I still have not ruled out the idea that maybe I will get one to replace all my test devices, because their values will sum up to about its price, actually.
01:11:20 ◼ ► So I could do that if I want to, and now that I'm requiring iOS 18, I need a lot fewer test devices.
01:11:24 ◼ ► So interestingly enough, over the last couple of days, I've been doing a lot of work on my initial Overcast release for 26 had a few layout problems on when you had a very small screen and a very big font.
01:11:40 ◼ ► So I took out and charged my trusty iPhone 13 mini test device, and I've been doing a lot of testing on the iPhone 13 mini over the last couple of days.
01:11:55 ◼ ► Like, I miss, you know, I never used the 13 mini, but I did use the 12 mini for that year.
01:12:28 ◼ ► And I kind of think, like, it is possible for them to make a smaller, lighter, probably thinner phone than the main ones making some of these trade-offs.
01:12:54 ◼ ► But I think if the Air is a sales bomb, people might assume nobody wants their phones to be thin and light.
01:13:14 ◼ ► But, like, Samsung released their super-thin phone recently, which admittedly is not as thin as this and doesn't look as cool as this.
01:13:33 ◼ ► Like, it'll last a little longer because they did a better job of it, and it's Apple, not Samsung.
01:13:36 ◼ ► But I think they just took too many trade-offs, and I don't think it's going to land well.
01:13:46 ◼ ► I have it on pretty good authority that we will be able to check these out during the podcast-a-thon, again, on Friday on YouTube.
01:13:58 ◼ ► I can't imagine wanting this over the iPhone 17 Pro because the cameras are that important to me.
01:14:07 ◼ ► But there is a lot to be said that's positive about the Air, even though, again, I've said it.
01:14:26 ◼ ► The gap between the dynamic island and the top of the screen is larger on the Air than it is on any other dynamic island phone, which is very, very interesting.
01:14:34 ◼ ► And I don't recall if it was Max or maybe this was John theorizing that this might be due to the front cameras need to be inside the camera bump.
01:14:45 ◼ ► It has another compromise in the design because I'm pretty sure, yeah, that they do need to, like, the front-facing camera needs, you know, it's the front-facing camera is thick.
01:14:57 ◼ ► But if you look at the back of the iPhone Air, the camera bump is – it's concentricity.
01:15:03 ◼ ► The camera bump is moved down like there's a margin around it because it would look weird if the camera bump was slammed up against the top of the phone.
01:15:11 ◼ ► But if it was slammed up against the top of the phone, the dynamic island could be in the same place it is on all the other phones.
01:15:16 ◼ ► So I feel like the dynamic island position and how much it interferes with the stuff on your screen is ever so slightly by a millimeter or two compromised by the need for the back of the phone to look the way it does.
01:15:27 ◼ ► Moving along, the USB-C port – this is what I was alluding to earlier – the USB-C port is not vertically centered.
01:15:34 ◼ ► This is one of those things like the FedEx logo that I really wish I never saw because now I cannot unsee it.
01:15:39 ◼ ► A lot of thin Android phones have this same problem because the problem is the thickness of the OLED screens.
01:15:44 ◼ ► Like you can only make the OLED screens so thin and if your total thickness is – you know, the USB-C port isn't changing thickness.
01:16:17 ◼ ► I think there might have been one of them where like the screw holes weren't aligned with the port or something like that.
01:16:26 ◼ ► In Apple's photography, they have so many like reflections of whatever like the – I don't know if these like 3D renders with like an environment map or something or if it's a real phone.
01:16:38 ◼ ► There is no cinematic mode for video on the air, which is – isn't that the thing where you can adjust the focal point after the fact?
01:16:54 ◼ ► I found this TechCrunch article from 2021 about how Apple built the iPhone 13 cinematic mode that had some info in there.
01:17:07 ◼ ► Apparently, you can do cinematic video on the front camera on the other phones but not on the air, even though the front camera on the air is the same as on all the other phones.
01:17:15 ◼ ► So I'm not quite sure why – I think it's not on the back because I think it might use LiDAR.
01:17:25 ◼ ► But like I'm not sure how it gets the depth information to let you change the focal point.
01:17:30 ◼ ► But it would make sense to me that a single camera, no LiDAR phone might not be able to do cinematic video with the back camera.
01:17:36 ◼ ► But learning that you can do cinematic video from the front camera and that the air doesn't have that, even though it has the same camera, another weird compromise.
01:17:57 ◼ ► And the idea is that, as they showed, it's a square sensor and they crop it to be either a landscape slice out of the square sensor or a portrait slice out of the square sensor.
01:18:07 ◼ ► And the idea is that the sensor itself, if you were to take the full square, like all the pixels, that that's 24-megapixels, allowing any of the sensor crops to be 18-megapixels.
01:18:20 ◼ ► But what this makes me think, if it's true, is I would love to see a full 24-megapixel square picture from that front camera.
01:18:27 ◼ ► And my guess is that you won't get that from the built-in camera app, but that maybe, like, apps that access the raw camera hardware, like, you know, like Halide and stuff like that, maybe they'll be able to do it.
01:19:01 ◼ ► The iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max support transfer speeds of up to 10 gigabits per second, which is about 20 times faster.
01:19:27 ◼ ► I'm not particularly angry about it because I think most people do treat it as a charging point.
01:19:35 ◼ ► 25 years after the advent of USB 2.0, the $1,000, you know, if configured with more storage, iPhone 17 should not transfer data at USB 2.0 speeds through a wired connection.
01:19:47 ◼ ► I do wonder, like, you know, so one of the main differences between USB 2.0 and 3.0 is that USB 3.0 adds more pins.
01:19:55 ◼ ► Like, that's one of the ways they're able to get more data transfer is they add more pins to the connector.
01:20:00 ◼ ► And that's also why, like, USB 3.0 cables are typically a little bit thicker and less flexible than USB 2.0 cables.
01:20:07 ◼ ► And, again, that's also why, like, charging cables tend to usually only support USB 2.0 speeds.
01:20:14 ◼ ► And that's because they have fewer wires in them, which makes them cheaper and longer and more flexible more easily.
01:20:20 ◼ ► Which is usually when people are charging their stuff, that's all they care about anyway.
01:20:27 ◼ ► But USB 3.0, more pins, more wires in the cable, so it's, you know, more complicated and more costly.
01:20:55 ◼ ► And if it doesn't have the controller, shame on Apple, because, like, again, most people use it for charging.
01:21:21 ◼ ► And the reasoning for it, it just seems like one of those things that Apple doesn't, it's kind of like, why didn't the non-pro phones have promotion for so long?
01:21:40 ◼ ► But, like, okay, if USB 3.0 having all these extra wires makes it so much less adopted in so many ways still all this time later, what if we had, like, a USB 2.5 standard?
01:21:54 ◼ ► But, like, what if it only used the same number of wires as USB 2.0 but just, you know, clocked the data lines faster or something?
01:22:03 ◼ ► I don't think the standards are going to reach back to, like, we need to find a way to jam more data over charging cables.
01:22:10 ◼ ► But, like, you know, like, you can imagine, like, you know, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0, it's, what, about 20 times difference in speed?
01:22:17 ◼ ► What if you could get a USB 2.5 that was, like, five or ten times faster and used all the old cables and used the thin, flexible, cheap ones?
01:22:35 ◼ ► It seems that every new iPhone screen has the exact same specifications other than size and resolution.
01:22:41 ◼ ► Difficult to tell from the presentation because they emphasize certain features on certain things.
01:22:45 ◼ ► But if you go to Apple's very handy apple.com slash iPhone slash compare page and bring up the Pro or Pro Max, the Air, and the Plane 17 and go down the screen specs, everything except the resolution is the same.
01:22:57 ◼ ► Contrast ratio, true tone, the how many, that's a max brightness, the peak brightness, the, like, it's all the minimum brightness.
01:23:31 ◼ ► And one of them is not like, oh, this one gets better peak brightness or it's better outdoors.
01:23:42 ◼ ► If you actually want your screen to stay bright for more than a few seconds outside, you're probably going to want the Pro.
01:23:55 ◼ ► Reading from Mac Rumors, the iPhone 17 models include an accessibility setting to disable pulse width modulation or PWM, according to information found in the iOS 26 release candidate.
01:24:04 ◼ ► There will be a toggle located in the display and text size section of the accessibility settings on the iPhone 17 labeled display pulse smoothing.
01:24:16 ◼ ► Disables pulse width modulation to provide a different way to dim the OLED display, which can create a smoother display output at low brightness levels.
01:24:34 ◼ ► Reading from a different page, at 9to5Mac, pulse width modulation is a tactic that displays used to produce lower brightness levels.
01:24:43 ◼ ► The screen rapidly switches the pixels on and off in a way that most users can't discern.
01:24:47 ◼ ► For some people, however, PWM might result in a screen flickering effect that can cause eye strain and even severe headaches.
01:24:58 ◼ ► I've got a lot of questions about this when I got my OLED iPad because they're like, how can you watch anything on that?
01:25:03 ◼ ► Because the OLED iPad uses, you know, the whatever, PWM, like basically just turning the screen on and off real fast instead of like putting the pixels on a lower brightness.
01:25:12 ◼ ► They're like, you know, they're at a fixed brightness, but they just go on, off, on, off really, really fast.
01:25:20 ◼ ► It says this, does that witness the, the subreddit with all these people talking about it.
01:25:24 ◼ ► My personal experience has been that I can't see the flickering and it doesn't bother me, but it, I'm fully willing to believe that other people can see it.
01:25:34 ◼ ► Because one of the things, uh, good things about getting older is your, as your sense is dull, fewer things are annoying.
01:25:43 ◼ ► So yeah, but this, but I'm actually kind of surprised that Apple rolled out this feature because even though some people are clearly sensitive to this, it seemed like, well, Apple's just going to ignore them forever.
01:26:01 ◼ ► I think it's like, it's, it's, uh, you can use lower power if you use PWM than if you don't.
01:26:11 ◼ ► If you're one of those people who can't stand that OLED flickering, why doesn't everybody else see it?
01:26:23 ◼ ► Cause when I put this in the notes, it was from the RC, but, uh, no, but it says it's only on the 17 line of hardware.
01:26:34 ◼ ► Like, you know, if, if you, if you can see PWM flickers, I feel sorry for you because so many of the things in the modern world use PWM to control brightness.
01:26:46 ◼ ► I'm sure, you know, not only, you know, device screens, but also any dimmable LED bulb, like almost all, not all of them, but most dimmable LEDs use PWM to achieve their dimming.
01:27:02 ◼ ► It's, and you know, and if you have any kind of cheap, uh, LED lighting that is, you know, especially stuff like Christmas lights or like party lights, um, or a lot of car aftermarket headlights.
01:27:13 ◼ ► Um, if they are super cheap, they will use halfway rectification of the AC supply to get DC power for the light.
01:27:29 ◼ ► And that, that's why like, especially you might not see it in the center of your vision, but you might notice if it's like at the periphery of your vision, you might notice a bit of a flickering of cheap LED party and Christmas lights.
01:27:39 ◼ ► Uh, or it seems like it's flickering only when you move your head or something, you can start to see a little bit of it there.
01:27:44 ◼ ► And if you get good LED Christmas lights, they'll be full wave rectified at least, um, or they'll just do some kind of other DC conversion.
01:27:52 ◼ ► I don't know the details of how those work, but you can spend a few extra cents of components and you can get, you know, both of the AC waves peaking the signal or whatever.
01:28:01 ◼ ► And, you know, you can double the refresh rate to 60 Hertz, or you can have some fancier system that actually just, you know, lowers the voltage or something.
01:28:09 ◼ ► But so much of the world now is now I wonder my theory on, you know, what Apple's option here says disabling PWM may affect low brightness display performance under certain conditions.
01:28:20 ◼ ► My theory, maybe what, what they mean by that is like, if the display can say, all right, you have, you know, RGB values, zero through 255 for each of the, and it's probably a higher bit rate panel than that, but we'll just say that for now.
01:28:35 ◼ ► Um, for each pixel, you have these, you know, zero, zero to 255 values for the color channels.
01:28:40 ◼ ► Maybe the way they're achieving this is just compressing those down to the lower range.
01:28:44 ◼ ► And so, so the display still thinks it is performing at its full voltage and brightness and everything, but it's just being fed darker pixel values by the OS because the way OLEDs work, they won't use more power that way.
01:28:57 ◼ ► If you just compress those values down, eventually you'll get compressed low enough that like, you're not really getting a lot of distinction between the colors maybe, or maybe you'll see banding, um, like in gradients because you don't have enough like pixel precision, you know, in those ranges.
01:29:13 ◼ ► Maybe that would be how performance is, uh, you know, affected, but I don't know if this, I think this is, this is a great option to have.
01:29:20 ◼ ► We'll see what the trade-offs are, but this is, this is very good for people who need it.
01:29:27 ◼ ► The Apple watch ultra satellite data features require a cell plan, which we talked about last episode.
01:29:33 ◼ ► And Jason was in the chat and had the same theory that a friend of the show, Greg Pierce wrote in about, which is the most likely reason to require a cell plan for satellite features is that they don't want those features used any more than absolutely required.
01:29:45 ◼ ► A device without a cell plan might be trying to leverage that network as a primary means for texting, et cetera.
01:29:51 ◼ ► And also there are some cell plans that come with satellite stuff, uh, not, this is relevant to the iPhone, but, uh, I was surprised to learn that you can buy a cell plan that, uh, you pay a little bit extra and you get satellite service for that as well.
01:30:03 ◼ ► There's not enough satellite bandwidth or availability for everybody to be using it if they don't want to pay for cellular.
01:30:15 ◼ ► That seems to think that the 24 hour battery claim up from 18 is not really any different.
01:30:21 ◼ ► So reading from Reddit, the extra six hours that Apple claims is just Apple finally including sleep tracking in the test, but sleep tracking barely sips power.
01:30:29 ◼ ► And previous Apple watches have already been able to easily surpass their 18 hour claims and go through a night of sleep tracking on top.
01:30:35 ◼ ► In the low power mode test, the difference is just two hours with 38 hours versus 36, a measly 5% difference.
01:30:44 ◼ ► Fewer checks, fewer notifications, less app time, not really an upgrade, just a shift in methodology.
01:30:55 ◼ ► Like it, this, I wrote down, like there's the three things I wanted to complain about with Apple's marketing of these.
01:31:00 ◼ ► As I mentioned earlier, the, the thinness of iPhones and then having these massive camera plateaus.
01:31:14 ◼ ► That like when I said last time, like the big difference with the series 11 is this extra six hours of battery life from 18 to 24 hours.
01:31:24 ◼ ► But it does seem like they just changed the way they're testing it to include six hours of sleep.
01:31:29 ◼ ► It looks like actually there is not a significant difference in battery life from the series 10 and the series 11.
01:31:36 ◼ ► Maybe there's a small one, but there's not, it isn't that big the way that made it seem.
01:31:40 ◼ ► And that really the primary or only difference between the series 10 and 11 is changing the cell radio to be 5G capable.
01:31:55 ◼ ► When they tear these things down, we'll have to see if the capacity of the battery changed at all, because if the battery is a little bit bigger, that could account for a real difference.
01:32:07 ◼ ► The 5G radio, maybe that's a little bit more efficient, but like, yeah, they have a regular test and a low power test.
01:32:15 ◼ ► But then if you look at the methodology, it's like that they, they have a test, like, you know, what, what do we do in our test?
01:32:27 ◼ ► So yeah, they're, I mean, I, it's not like you can never change the methodology methodology.
01:32:31 ◼ ► Your test should change over time, but when they do change the methodology, it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison.
01:32:37 ◼ ► And, and yeah, the sleep tracking thing by tacking those hours and it seems kind of misleading.
01:32:41 ◼ ► So, I mean, the thing about this is they'll, it's probably not going to be a lot of outcry because anyone who gets a new watch replacing an old watch, the battery iron, the old watch was probably cruddy.
01:32:54 ◼ ► If you had bought a new version of your old watch, it would probably have the similar effect.
01:32:58 ◼ ► All right, then friend of the show, dear friend of the show, David Smith writes, something I found kind of surprising about the ultra three is that the quoted battery life for outdoor workouts and low power and reduced heart rate readings is identical to the ultra two at 35 hours.
01:33:13 ◼ ► You get a few more hours in other types, but the most demanding situations where you're trying to maximize the battery, it isn't better.
01:33:23 ◼ ► And there's a link to the Apple watch battery page, which you can see in the show notes.
01:33:32 ◼ ► I don't know if the watch body is any bigger, but again, if it's the, if, if the screen is similar and power consumption and the SOC is the same and the battery is the same size, it's not shocking that it might get basically the same battery life as the predecessor.
01:33:45 ◼ ► It seems like, you know, the more we learn about these new Apple watch models, the more it seems like, oh, there's a lot less different about the battery life than, than the presentation made it seem.
01:34:03 ◼ ► And so like those, and, and the, the series 11 does also have the better, um, ion X glass on the, on the front, on the aluminum models.
01:34:28 ◼ ► Somebody was saying on a podcast that like they should just move the Apple watch to a two or three year cycle the way they do AirPods.
01:34:37 ◼ ► And you can even cycle it, have like, you know, like the, the SE one year, have the series the next year, have the ultra the next year.
01:34:47 ◼ ► And I think, I think that makes a lot of sense because they're basically kind of doing that anyway.
01:34:57 ◼ ► They are already using the same SoC for three years now for a couple of, a couple of spans now, say the SoC last three years, most of the core features last three years, the screen generally comes close or, you know, maybe it's slightly offset, but basically last three years.
01:35:17 ◼ ► And maybe it would be better to make a bigger splash every two or three years with like putting all these updates together and having, okay, every two or three years, there's the new SoC and a bigger, brighter screen.
01:35:29 ◼ ► And, you know, some other health capability, if you lump those all together, that I think that would actually be better than having these watch updates every year that barely touch anything and seem like they're not really doing anything.
01:35:41 ◼ ► Because over time, the Apple watch does get significantly better, but increasingly, like the updates seem like nothing.
01:35:52 ◼ ► That would make it more interesting for us to talk about, but I feel like for, from a sales and consumer perspective, it's better just to bump the number by one each year, even if you change literally nothing about them, because that makes people think that it's, I'm going to get the latest and greatest phone and not the one with that at the same number as I saw two years ago.
01:36:08 ◼ ► So yeah, I definitely, I mean, when Dithering mentioned it, like it totally, from our perspective, commenting on Apple, that would be way better, but I don't know.
01:36:29 ◼ ► Like they had the AirPod two and then the AirPod two, uh, revision or whatever, like, I wonder if they regret that.
01:36:36 ◼ ► I wonder if they think we should have called that one, the AirPod three and then called this one, the four.
01:36:39 ◼ ► Uh, but you know, I don't know, like this, they presumably they, they know what sells better, but, uh, yeah, from, from a commentary perspective, it would be much better to save up more of these changes.
01:36:54 ◼ ► Uh, there's a post from Tyrael who writes a quick note from your resident auditory neuroscientist.
01:37:03 ◼ ► First time I used an otoscope to look at an eardrum, I was amazed at how different the human ear canal directions and shapes were even within a single patient.
01:37:10 ◼ ► The typical clinical equipment will have something between 10 and 16 different disposable tips, tip shapes and sizes.
01:37:32 ◼ ► Steven Klink writes, Apple's AirPods product page in footnote one lists the tests that they are using to determine the 2X better noise canceling on the AirPods Pro 3.
01:37:46 ◼ ► For ANC, the test measures how much sound from the outside environment gets reduced once the headphones electronics are turned on in decibels.
01:37:51 ◼ ► So while the logarithmic nature of decibels means human perception doesn't have an intuitive understanding of the 2X better reduction, it at least isn't a Bezos stat.
01:38:16 ◼ ► But I guess they're just they're just weirdly shaped, especially with the tips and everything.
01:38:25 ◼ ► I would assume they have bigger batteries than the the 4 because isn't the battery in the Pro?
01:39:02 ◼ ► It's a smart idea to like, can we just can we make sure they stay in his ears this time?
01:39:14 ◼ ► And maybe for some people, the old ones were good and the new ones are bad or vice versa.
01:39:20 ◼ ► But Marquez has been on a streak of just not having them stay in his ears when he like jumps
01:39:37 ◼ ► It doesn't like this is why I was so frustrated when the original AirPods just didn't fit in
01:39:46 ◼ ► And it does if you can't wear them, if they're not if they either don't stay in your ears or
01:39:50 ◼ ► they hurt or they're not comfortable or whatever it is, if they if they don't fit you, it doesn't
01:40:02 ◼ ► They would they would want to improve that because that would that will improve or that
01:40:08 ◼ ► Yeah, the reviews are impressed by that 2x better noise cancellation, which apparently is not
01:40:12 ◼ ► a BS stat, but a real standard test that does measure how much sound from outside gets in.
01:40:19 ◼ ► I should also note with regard to the AirPods Pro case, allegedly, according to Mac Rumors,
01:40:35 ◼ ► And you can see that on the AirPods compare page, which we will put a link to in the show
01:40:40 ◼ ► Yeah, I think I spent at least a year calling this next generation ultra wideband chip or
01:40:46 ◼ ► But I guess the lawyers got the clearances and now it is just the U2 following on the U1
01:41:10 ◼ ► So like when when the phone is doing translation, is the phone doing the translation using like
01:41:22 ◼ ► But I still had a question was like, OK, you download the languages and it works offline.
01:41:39 ◼ ► And if I if you go to your AirPods, you will see a thing that says translation and the parentheses
01:41:50 ◼ ► And then there's some gray on gray text at the bottom that says download languages to translate
01:41:58 ◼ ► You click the settings link and it takes you to the settings for the translate app, like
01:42:06 ◼ ► And in the translate app settings, there is a setting called on device mode, which is off
01:42:23 ◼ ► So I can't figure out if this means that if you don't have on device mode turned on, that
01:42:30 ◼ ► I mean, it's clearly they're saying that the server side translation is better than on device,
01:42:34 ◼ ► which makes sense that, you know, there's more computing power, blah, blah, blah on the
01:42:44 ◼ ► So I just got someone to speak a foreign language to me and I'll try it out maybe for the next
01:42:48 ◼ ► But anyway, it does have a mode where it works offline, but it seems to me based on the
01:42:52 ◼ ► sequence of wandering through settings that you will get better quality if you have a network
01:42:59 ◼ ► And then finally, AirPods live translation is blocked for EU users with EU Apple accounts.
01:43:05 ◼ ► Reading from Mac rumors, Apple says on its feature availability webpage that Apple intelligence
01:43:09 ◼ ► live translation with AirPods won't be available if both the user is physically in the EU and
01:43:15 ◼ ► Apple doesn't give a reason for the restriction, but legal and regulatory pressures seem the most
01:43:20 ◼ ► In particular, the EU's Artificial Intelligence Act and the General Data Protection Regulation
01:43:24 ◼ ► or GDPR both impose strict requirements for how speech and translation services are offered.
01:43:29 ◼ ► Regulators may want to study how live translation works and how that impacts privacy, consent,
01:43:34 ◼ ► Apple will also want to ensure its system fully complies with these rules before enabling the
01:43:46 ◼ ► It's not a, hey, we can't put this in the EU because otherwise we'd have to let every third
01:43:49 ◼ ► party app be it like, but because Apple didn't say we don't actually know the answer, but
01:43:55 ◼ ► Although my understanding is that everyone in the EU speaks 20 languages anyway, and they
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01:45:48 ◼ ► this has to do with your long struggle with the new apple care thing no because you stopped that
01:45:54 ◼ ► you said you were done no it's different so all right what's going on i think we've all
01:45:58 ◼ ► had this issue at one point or another it's when you get a red badge on the settings app
01:46:05 ◼ ► on one of your apple devices we've all been there and sometimes that badge is legitimate
01:46:11 ◼ ► hey there's a new os update oh you need to sign back into your apple id for some stupid reason
01:46:16 ◼ ► that you're never going to be able to figure out yep um but sometimes what happens is you get a red
01:46:21 ◼ ► dot on your settings app icon and you go into settings and there's nothing there and the
01:46:28 ◼ ► received wisdom from people who've been through this many times over is like well sometimes you
01:46:32 ◼ ► got to look for it sometimes you don't realize that you might have to go into your apple id
01:46:35 ◼ ► and then you'll see something there that's something you have to do maybe you have to go into the apple
01:46:40 ◼ ► wallet settings maybe there's something in there maybe there's some marketing thing where they wanted
01:46:43 ◼ ► to watch the f1 movie and somewhere buried in settings even though there's not going to be a
01:46:47 ◼ ► red badge in settings you just have to show a screen somewhere in settings and that will satisfy settings
01:46:54 ◼ ► and it'll make the badge go away but if you're a programmer what you're thinking is they just got
01:46:59 ◼ ► their state unsynchronized and now this is never going to go away because something that was supposed
01:47:03 ◼ ► to be incremented and decremented just got incremented and then something crashed or never decremented
01:47:07 ◼ ► and it's never going to go away because it's just like it's like delta rot right and there's nothing
01:47:12 ◼ ► you can do to fix it and i've been through this many times i'm sure you two have had the red dot many
01:47:17 ◼ ► times as well but i had recently had my worst bout of red dot syndrome on apple devices that lasted like
01:47:23 ◼ ► the last two weeks it started i think on my phone and i got the red dot and i even posted a mask and i was
01:47:30 ◼ ► like does anyone have any ideas here's all the things i tried i tried apple id i tried the wallet i tried
01:47:34 ◼ ► settings i tried accessibility i tried you know i tried sub items in my apple id like i tried to list
01:47:40 ◼ ► all the things i tried does anyone have any new place where they can go to try to get rid of the
01:47:44 ◼ ► badge or new thing that they can do uh i didn't get any good responses for that but the thing is it started
01:47:50 ◼ ► to spread so then i started to see it on my mac like what the hell so i go into mac settings and again
01:47:55 ◼ ► oh and software update of course software update you always check first no software updates no anything
01:48:01 ◼ ► and so now i'm trying to get rid of my mac then it spreads to my ipad like it's the red dot is slowly
01:48:06 ◼ ► appearing a number one inside a red badge on the settings app icon on my mac on my ipad and on my
01:48:13 ◼ ► iphone i was like well i mean worst case scenario when i do the os 26 updates it'll probably fix it
01:48:20 ◼ ► but i didn't i was kind of at my wits end because normally when this comes out i eventually find
01:48:25 ◼ ► what screen i have to display to make it go away and this time i could not do it so i want to put
01:48:31 ◼ ► this segment here first of all just to let people know this is a thing that happens on apple devices
01:48:36 ◼ ► sometimes not just settings but sometimes an app will get a badge and there is no way to make it go
01:48:42 ◼ ► away and you don't know why it's there i get asked this question by family members why is there
01:48:47 ◼ ► a badge on this app i got sometimes i can tell them the answers because you have a software update
01:48:51 ◼ ► but sometimes i have to tell them after extensive uh exploration that's a bug no there's nothing you
01:48:58 ◼ ► can do about it and they are more bothered by this than i would imagine people would think they would
01:49:02 ◼ ► be because it's like of all the things that can bother you it's like but i don't want that red badge
01:49:05 ◼ ► to be there and you're like okay well but i just turn off badges can i just turn off badges i go to
01:49:09 ◼ ► the notification setting and say i just don't want to see any badges i'm just turn off badges
01:49:13 ◼ ► entirely well guess which app you can't turn off badges on settings cool you cannot turn off badges
01:49:20 ◼ ► notifications at least as of ios 18 i didn't check 26 so i this is this is the psa to say this is a
01:49:28 ◼ ► thing that happens again as a programmer i can imagine a million scenarios that would cause this to exist
01:49:34 ◼ ► and as a user there is sometimes literally nothing you can do about it to fix it now the bright side of
01:49:40 ◼ ► the story is even before i started out doing the 26 os updates first the badge went away on my mac
01:49:46 ◼ ► why did it go away no idea i didn't reboot i didn't install a software update i didn't discover
01:49:52 ◼ ► a screen and settings to make it go away i just came back to my mac one day and the badge was gone
01:49:58 ◼ ► and then it went away on ios before i did the os update i was like huh the badge has been there for a
01:50:04 ◼ ► week and a half it's gone now i have no idea why it's still there on my ipad as we record the show
01:50:10 ◼ ► but i'm hoping if i just wait it out it will go away uh but yeah red dot syndrome i feel like there
01:50:16 ◼ ► should be a dedicated team at apple to sort of uh spread the discipline throughout the organization
01:50:21 ◼ ► to say if you badge your app icon there should be some kind of sanity check on app launch like if
01:50:26 ◼ ► something force quits the app and launches it again to say hey let me just sanity check do i think there
01:50:32 ◼ ► should be any badges on this which means they would probably have to use a different system for badging
01:50:36 ◼ ► other than just like writing something to their uh you know user defaults or whatever but yeah this
01:50:41 ◼ ► is a thing and it usually goes away quickly but sometimes it's really bad so watch out be careful
01:50:47 ◼ ► out there red dot syndrome could come for you have you ever had one that you couldn't go away and do
01:50:54 ◼ ► either two of you have a secret location that you go to to clear the badge no no this doesn't happen
01:51:00 ◼ ► to me very often and usually it just kind of sorts itself after a while or maybe a reboot at worst
01:51:05 ◼ ► all right yeah that's the thing are you able to just say ah don't worry about it i'll just ignore
01:51:09 ◼ ► it like some people i'm not able to ignore obviously but it's a case he sounds like you'd be like oh
01:51:14 ◼ ► there's a badge i can't make it go away i'm sure it'll go away eventually you just don't think about
01:51:17 ◼ ► it anymore well i always have badgers on my phone on settings no but like okay but you know just for
01:51:23 ◼ ► instance like on my home screen right now the phone app has a 19 badge uh instagram has one and
01:51:30 ◼ ► messages has five all right well if i go to the next page i got the nest app that has six i don't
01:51:35 ◼ ► know what the heck those are probably spam promos from nest or whatever like i there's just at this
01:51:39 ◼ ► point like everything has a badge all the time everyone's so you know it's a combination of like
01:51:44 ◼ ► every app and company is so incredibly desperate and thirsty for every possible amount of everything
01:51:51 ◼ ► from you that they're going to spam the crap out of every possible notification and inbox and thing
01:51:55 ◼ ► they have so that's number one then so you know that's probably the nest bullshit there
01:52:00 ◼ ► number two i tend to not check things that frequently in certain areas voicemails and instagram messages
01:52:07 ◼ ► clearly and other areas like text messages i sometimes will use the unread status as a like i have to get
01:52:14 ◼ ► to this later kind of thing which i know is not what i'm supposed to do but everyone does it okay so
01:52:18 ◼ ► anyway um that's why those stick around for a while and therefore um badges on my stuff are not
01:52:24 ◼ ► particularly unusual you can just turn off the badges like on your phone app unlike the settings
01:52:28 ◼ ► app you can just decide not to show badges on the phone app you can solve that problem there i just
01:52:32 ◼ ► looked at my home screen and i have no badges on it so i'm i'm i do not want badges to unless they're
01:52:37 ◼ ► like i want them to be there to tell me like for example messages i want it to be badged when i have a
01:52:41 ◼ ► message like so i do want to see it but i don't routinely leave tons of unread messages and i know what
01:52:47 ◼ ► you're talking about like they added the feature a couple of os's ago to market as unread which is useful
01:52:51 ◼ ► which i also occasionally do but that's to get my attention so i don't forget about that message but
01:52:56 ◼ ► there shouldn't be a very high number there but the settings thing really annoys me and yes i did
01:53:00 ◼ ► check under warranty as well i've spent i've been spending a lot of time in the warranty thing with
01:53:04 ◼ ► my apple care one battle so yeah i don't know where the badge came from and i don't know why i
01:53:10 ◼ ► couldn't defeat it but i'm glad that it is departing me uh even again even before i did the os update i