The Accidental Tech Podcast

15: Cat, Modifier Cat


00:00:00   all your data is out there and you have no idea of its valid you just [TS]

00:00:04   propagating single bit errors and all your backups and infinitum you don't [TS]

00:00:11   worry about that [TS]

00:00:11   think about that how I choose not to worry about that when your wedding [TS]

00:00:21   pictures are corrupted in the giant pink pixel [TS]

00:00:24   well firstly appeal pics on my face would be your prolly be an improvement [TS]

00:00:27   but secondly I have like 35 backups that including the original there are [TS]

00:00:31   corrupted because once they go back to the original disk you just corrupting [TS]

00:00:33   your backups just propaganda corruption because you have no idea to have the [TS]

00:00:39   original DVDs will keep it hot spots on Inc under plastic that a lot of forever [TS]

00:00:46   and organic dyes so it decomposes I hate you so much so what we talked about [TS]

00:00:54   today [TS]

00:00:55   well this is turning into the external market podcast because you've gone in [TS]

00:01:00   sold stuff again I'm waiting to be told that I've been replaced or sold or I [TS]

00:01:05   know somebody else's my daddy now so a big week yet little bit at least this is [TS]

00:01:11   the last one out of stuff do things I saw so many jokes about how your next [TS]

00:01:19   appt has already been sold and nobody even knows what it is yet that's that's [TS]

00:01:22   pretty good I don't know what it is yet that's pretty good actually at this [TS]

00:01:25   point to know what it is but we'll see if you just pay attention to what such [TS]

00:01:30   as the go-to during the BBC will probably get a pretty easily but it [TS]

00:01:34   doesn't matter I don't know why I'm really excited to finally have like [TS]

00:01:40   basically I mentioned at some point before the magazine sales public in and [TS]

00:01:45   I should mention to like we never engine this almost a month ago and it just so [TS]

00:01:50   happened that we did arrange it after the Instapaper thing but it was before [TS]

00:01:54   the Tumblr thing and so we as a team of things going on in every million going [TS]

00:02:00   into man this is gonna be hilarious when we announced and everyone everything i [TS]

00:02:04   think im just selling everything I [TS]

00:02:06   but yeah i the main reasons I wanted to sell the magazine were you know whatever [TS]

00:02:16   in the blog post which is basically I had created a job for myself that was a [TS]

00:02:21   lot less of what I wanted to do than I expected [TS]

00:02:24   like it was a lot of just administrative stuff and and process stuff and overhead [TS]

00:02:29   and almost no development you know I kind of wish that I failed spectacularly [TS]

00:02:35   as you do in creating these are appearing at these lucrative appearing [TS]

00:02:40   businesses that you just have to be burdened with unloading it's a tough [TS]

00:02:44   life you live Marco sorry I me know it's you know it the other main reason that I [TS]

00:02:51   wanted to so it is that because it was taking up my time and it was and it's [TS]

00:02:58   it's a mental burden as well having these things you know like everything [TS]

00:03:01   you do you know occupies some kind of space in your mind and in your you know [TS]

00:03:06   when you look in your present state of mind I'm probably abusing these terms I [TS]

00:03:09   know I'm definitely not a Buddhist or anything that anyone who would be [TS]

00:03:13   trained properly and in being able to describe these things but i i i dont [TS]

00:03:23   know I don't like having things on my played they're not really into and [TS]

00:03:29   obviously there's some stuff that you got to do just you know you gotta do it [TS]

00:03:32   like you guys do your taxes you got a you know clean your house and you know [TS]

00:03:36   like their stuff you gotta do but some like making your own business you know [TS]

00:03:42   that's you have control over that so anyway one of the reasons why I wanted [TS]

00:03:46   to sell Instapaper was because it was like weighing on me mentally that I [TS]

00:03:52   didn't want to put in the effort into it that it really deserved and and a lot of [TS]

00:03:56   I couldn't put in the effort really deserved with the magazine it was more [TS]

00:04:00   like I can keep doing this [TS]

00:04:02   indefinitely because it wasn't taking up much of my time but why keep a business [TS]

00:04:07   around that I'm barely putting anything into and what I learned also like you [TS]

00:04:13   know the answer to that question the right now because it makes money right [TS]

00:04:19   around that makes money that I barely put anything into it [TS]

00:04:23   yeah that's the answer but the reality is like you know you can ask Ashley [TS]

00:04:27   people who buy a restaurant [TS]

00:04:29   thinking of this will generate money for ever like you know maybe but you're [TS]

00:04:34   gonna be involved whether you like it or not like it like it's gonna need you you [TS]

00:04:38   know like it's the idea of a business that generates passive money you never [TS]

00:04:42   have to touch it that those do exist but not really in the software world they [TS]

00:04:47   were they really don't exist you can you can neglect something for a while and it [TS]

00:04:51   can work for a little while but it doesn't really exist in the sense that [TS]

00:04:56   you're still going to have to maintain that you're still gonna be responsible [TS]

00:04:59   for that you know it doesn't you can't just let it sit there and and stagnate [TS]

00:05:05   forever you know eventually things are going to dwindle down people going to [TS]

00:05:08   see the you haven't done much to it while and they're gonna move on or [TS]

00:05:13   something going to break you know would like to text me at one problem something [TS]

00:05:16   might break at any point and you know cause problems so there's no reason you [TS]

00:05:21   couldn't have done exactly what glenn is doing now which is like you know so he's [TS]

00:05:24   taking the reins now and he's not a developer had both not a lot this kind [TS]

00:05:28   of developer so he is just maybe bringing people on to take over [TS]

00:05:31   development the IRS to apt to do also translate things while he you know sort [TS]

00:05:36   of Rangel's them so it seems to me that it's like if your heart was in it at [TS]

00:05:41   this what you really wanted to be was like run a publication and grow [TS]

00:05:45   publication you would be doing it you know it has less to do with whether I [TS]

00:05:51   mean whether the thing is making lots of money or a little bit money or how long [TS]

00:05:54   it's going to make money because you're perfectly capable of doing the things [TS]

00:05:57   that glenn is doing with it basically delegating to other people to do all the [TS]

00:06:01   stuff delegating the development everything is that that does seem like [TS]

00:06:04   something you want to do that's right you know and i could delegate the [TS]

00:06:08   development to somebody else but the development was the party like the most [TS]

00:06:12   and but there just wasn't that much and I want to do with it like you know I [TS]

00:06:17   loved building the app and loved a little design tricks and everything and [TS]

00:06:21   I love doing all that once the app is done I'm like well you know it's in [TS]

00:06:27   maintenance mode basically and you couldn't there certainly features you [TS]

00:06:30   can [TS]

00:06:30   add there's some there's some good stuff to do it but it was also that I'd I [TS]

00:06:34   really didn't care that much about I wasn't that motivated to do and and [TS]

00:06:37   ultimately it wasn't [TS]

00:06:40   you're right that if I wanted to keep doing this I could have there there's [TS]

00:06:45   nothing you know of course I could have my theory is that but while I know you [TS]

00:06:51   know just the way I feel I know that I'm not really I'm just not that into doing [TS]

00:07:00   the management in the business stuff you know that's why I do that stuff because [TS]

00:07:05   I have to not because I really loved it and so the magazine had become my role [TS]

00:07:11   in the magazine had become pretty much all business stuff and overhead and none [TS]

00:07:17   of the stuff I wanted to do very often and so what I also learned I was talking [TS]

00:07:21   to our friend underscore David Smith recently a couple hours ago and Casino [TS]

00:07:28   David Smith has lots of apps he he has a portfolio of many apps he does a lot of [TS]

00:07:32   things I don't think I can really do that you know when when I started [TS]

00:07:37   working on the magazine alongside Instapaper after I started learning some [TS]

00:07:40   of these difficulties and my my motivation our personality or whatever [TS]

00:07:44   it is whatever it is I'm not very good at working on multiple apps at the same [TS]

00:07:48   time the same type you know I can do a web app and a native app that you know [TS]

00:07:54   that those are different enough I can do a nap a podcast and blog because those [TS]

00:07:58   are very different things and they they serve different different parts of my [TS]

00:08:03   brain and my and my my satisfaction and what I what I do when I make but I [TS]

00:08:08   really don't think I'm very good at having multiple apps that need attention [TS]

00:08:12   like kind of a nursing clock app that was nothing you know you can I crapped [TS]

00:08:18   out in a couple of days and and and it does it didn't require any maintenance [TS]

00:08:23   and it made something like 30 bucks over the course of its life but you know it [TS]

00:08:27   didn't require any maintenance so that you know that's another that's a whole [TS]

00:08:30   other story but to have like two apps going at the same time that both need a [TS]

00:08:35   good amount of attention on going I can't do that I I really don't work well [TS]

00:08:40   that way [TS]

00:08:41   way so I really I i wana I wanted to try this new thing I'm doing and it's an iOS [TS]

00:08:49   app so you know I wanted to start a new thing and I know I could have kept doing [TS]

00:08:54   the magazine but I was so not that into it already has a piece of what I what my [TS]

00:09:00   job had become that I created for myself I was so not that into it already that [TS]

00:09:05   you know i i wanted to clean place I wanted to have nothing else competing [TS]

00:09:11   for my attention in the in the app space also I mentioned last episode or [TS]

00:09:16   recently I don't know what I don't talk about mentioned last episode or [TS]

00:09:21   something like that that that I work in burst of productivity running a [TS]

00:09:25   publication doesn't really allow you to do that because there's a there's a [TS]

00:09:30   publication schedule so every two weeks even though it wasn't a lot of work for [TS]

00:09:35   me know glenn was doing almost all of it already but every two weeks I had to do [TS]

00:09:39   XYZ and doing a podcast and you know that's that's a little bit different in [TS]

00:09:45   that it's easier and it's more of me being creative and having this creative [TS]

00:09:49   output publishing an issue of the magazine did not involve creativity on [TS]

00:09:53   my part by very much you know why I picked a few photos and put the cover [TS]

00:09:56   image that's about it and I had to pay checks to everybody and do the server [TS]

00:10:00   push and stuff like that and he just wasn't it wasn't that interesting so [TS]

00:10:05   like having to do it every two weeks [TS]

00:10:07   felt like a restriction on me whereas oh and you can only take a week off I could [TS]

00:10:12   show you know if we really want to we could take a week off not that any of us [TS]

00:10:16   are likely to do that but if we really wanted to we could take a week off with [TS]

00:10:21   with a publication you can't so it was a lock me into this fixed schedule but I [TS]

00:10:27   don't really work very well that way so that was another reason but anyway it [TS]

00:10:31   the main reason I wanted to sell it was because I wanted to clear my plate and [TS]

00:10:36   and and be able to put myself into my next project fully and that makes [TS]

00:10:42   complete sense and not to cycle and psychoanalyze you at all but it seems to [TS]

00:10:48   me that we're seeing a trend and certainly have no need for a really long [TS]

00:10:51   time so [TS]

00:10:52   i feel like im someone qualified to speak about this it seems like I'm [TS]

00:10:57   seeing a trend that anything that's compulsory you tend to not like and in [TS]

00:11:01   the case of the magazine once you know it's a trend since like 1st grade it so [TS]

00:11:06   I that's exactly my point you've talked a lot about how you don't really like [TS]

00:11:11   homework you've talked about how you don't really love paying taxes which [TS]

00:11:15   granted who does my love I love playing tackle that only dealing with it well I [TS]

00:11:20   mean so also it seems like part of the reason that you got turned off by the [TS]

00:11:26   magazine to build on what you're saying before is because you had to be [TS]

00:11:29   productive at certain times it's not that you hated necessarily doing the [TS]

00:11:34   work at least that's what it sounds to me anyway that it's not necessarily [TS]

00:11:37   doing the work as much as you had to do it at a certain time and that's really [TS]

00:11:41   tough and the other thing I'll say and then you can refute everything I just [TS]

00:11:44   told you if you want because I'm trying to put words in your mouth [TS]

00:11:47   the other thing I'll say is it's like the same reason you don't have the 1 [TS]

00:11:50   a.m. anymore you've got your fancy nice car you don't want to have to choose [TS]

00:11:54   between two equally fancy nice cars so ridiculously good I know you're gonna [TS]

00:11:59   get me started when I want to do that nobody nobody but you know i mean you [TS]

00:12:05   don't want to have to choose between two nice things any more than you want to [TS]

00:12:08   have to choose between two crummy things or whatever the case may be and whether [TS]

00:12:12   or not other people understand what the burden was that matters he felt it was a [TS]

00:12:18   burden and you felt that you had to work on it rather than desired to and so [TS]

00:12:22   that's the point at which at least to me it seems that's the point at which you [TS]

00:12:25   sold Instapaper when you felt like you had to work on it that's the point which [TS]

00:12:29   he saw the magazine's well when you felt like you had to work on it and when you [TS]

00:12:32   didn't want to work on it anymore I mean turnouts I was twenty that's what I'm [TS]

00:12:35   saying yeah that's that's pretty accurate i mean you know I i'm not i'm [TS]

00:12:39   not another very complicated personality there's not a lot of layers here it's [TS]

00:12:45   pretty much what you see is what you get like you know I don't make any effort to [TS]

00:12:49   hide all that stuff and you know that that's that's me i mean that's pretty [TS]

00:12:54   fair John any observations on that before we totally sidestep thanks Marco [TS]

00:12:59   is doing what we would do if we could [TS]

00:13:02   not do the things you don't want to do it do things you do want to do right [TS]

00:13:05   yeah do you want to share anything about this forthcoming up and I did not figure [TS]

00:13:14   out now is whether or not I should ask questions yet I will in time I'm kind of [TS]

00:13:20   I'm still debating in my head as DVD out loud is boring I'm still debating in my [TS]

00:13:26   head whether whether to announce anything about the app before it's ready [TS]

00:13:31   whether to put up like a splash page and do all that both groups or or you know [TS]

00:13:39   all the all the stuff people do I put their app havoc you and I knew that but [TS]

00:13:43   you know had like a splash page antes it's a coming soon who you know I don't [TS]

00:13:48   wanna do that or just say what the Appleby and then click feedback the [TS]

00:13:52   expense of having competitors you know then copy me and stuff so I i dont know [TS]

00:13:57   why I'm gonna decide all those things over the next coming over the next few [TS]

00:14:01   months but but what I what I have decided is that I'm not going to make [TS]

00:14:06   any major decisions about the apps feature set or design or layout or [TS]

00:14:12   navigational structure until after the BBC I want to see what I was 7 [TS]

00:14:17   introduces I want to see what's different and what's coming up and then [TS]

00:14:20   I will decide fully like here's the kind of you know feature set this will have [TS]

00:14:25   here's what the business model like you know if they introduce something like [TS]

00:14:27   upgrade pricing her trials that might influence my decision on the business [TS]

00:14:31   model so I don't want to make any decisions yet on all those big things [TS]

00:14:35   but and I'll see you know it may be throughout the summer meal tease it [TS]

00:14:38   maybe I will just announced it outright and it won't be available yet or maybe [TS]

00:14:43   I'll just shut up about it until it's ready I don't know yet what did you see [TS]

00:14:47   what Justin Williams is doing with whatever he's building I do not have a [TS]

00:14:51   chance to look at that yeah yeah I forget what he's calling it man I win [TS]

00:14:56   this is an accidental pocket and he said yes it's a car reference case we should [TS]

00:15:00   know this I'm disappointed myself but the promise in case you're not familiar [TS]

00:15:05   is you get this [TS]

00:15:08   passbook item into passbook and I guess what he's doing is he's going to update [TS]

00:15:11   it with little [TS]

00:15:13   bits and blurbs about the forthcoming app as he decides to release it and [TS]

00:15:18   whether or not you believe in pre releasing things and pronouncing things [TS]

00:15:22   I think it's a very clever and different take on something that we've seen ad [TS]

00:15:27   nauseam our entire lives so I don't know Marco if you had any thoughts on that I [TS]

00:15:30   guess if you have a chance to look at it but it looks like it you know that the [TS]

00:15:34   point of it has to do things like a combination of of being able to tease [TS]

00:15:38   apps that are coming and also like the iOS version of a newsletter yeah he like [TS]

00:15:44   traditional software developers especially Indies who likes on the Mac [TS]

00:15:49   and stuff they they have for a long time [TS]

00:15:53   had like mailing list they maintain then you know I talked with us before our [TS]

00:15:59   friends over there we're like they hardly ever mail anything out to people [TS]

00:16:02   but when they make a brand new product or a major update then they will and [TS]

00:16:06   that's always like a significant source of revenue anniversary of customers [TS]

00:16:10   coming back and buy new stuff and people actually like that and I west there's [TS]

00:16:14   there's no good way to do it you can kind of you weren't allowed to do it [TS]

00:16:18   push notifications of the people do but you are allowed to technically and you [TS]

00:16:22   know you want to annoy people and you also don't usually have access to things [TS]

00:16:27   like their email address so this is an interesting idea if it's gonna address [TS]

00:16:31   some of that be beyond just the promoting upcoming app thing but I guess [TS]

00:16:37   that's all I have to say I don't know much about ya John did you have any [TS]

00:16:41   thoughts of saying he did wasn't sure whether he wanted to think ahead of time [TS]

00:16:46   it seems pretty clear to me that you don't want to tease in a time but only [TS]

00:16:49   considering it because it may be a good way to you know bill you know good buzz [TS]

00:16:54   for your application [TS]

00:16:55   here's the thing I've always thought building buzz before you can actually [TS]

00:16:58   get it is kind of a waste because I know when like I where I was I was talking to [TS]

00:17:05   somebody about this article over that was hopeful it wasn't you guys that [TS]

00:17:09   there's this movie board it's a documentary about sign painters people [TS]

00:17:14   used to paint signs by hand before like vinyl signs and everything and [TS]

00:17:19   they keep they keep wrote in this thing everywhere and I see it everywhere and [TS]

00:17:23   it's it's a documentary it's been like film festivals and stuff but i cant get [TS]

00:17:28   it I can't buy it i cant rented I can view it online I can't get no matter [TS]

00:17:33   what I do I won't be able to get it for months and so they're getting all this [TS]

00:17:36   public knowledge publicity out there and I'm interested I'm I'm responding I'm [TS]

00:17:41   saying I want to I want to see this movie I will pay a few bucks right now [TS]

00:17:45   to see this movie if you can get to me but it's not out and that's why we [TS]

00:17:51   created a custom early because what's probably gonna happen is gonna come out [TS]

00:17:54   in six months and I don't care anymore and I will have forgotten by then so i I [TS]

00:17:58   hate pre hyping things because you get people interested in me this is one of [TS]

00:18:04   the reasons why the Apple strategy works so well apple says nothing until things [TS]

00:18:09   available and it's alright here's awesome new thing you want this right [TS]

00:18:13   you can buy it today or this Friday you know that's you can you respond [TS]

00:18:18   immediately the hype does something for you when when the price on even [TS]

00:18:21   available yet and not be available for months what can you really do with that [TS]

00:18:26   what can you really do with all that hype like to meeting its kind of [TS]

00:18:30   arrogant to expect people to remember all that crap in two or three months I [TS]

00:18:36   mean I wouldn't do like this this is a spectrum are you wouldn't tease it way [TS]

00:18:40   way way ahead of time but perhaps like like basically first you don't put [TS]

00:18:43   anything up until the thing is basically done and all you're doing is delaying it [TS]

00:18:46   so you can build the site so maybe it was only like one week or two weeks lead [TS]

00:18:49   time when you are actually finished basically you're just like this is the [TS]

00:18:54   ramp-up choose a lie I wouldn't say like to do with the movies and teases the [TS]

00:18:58   summer before it comes out with you know some of scary image to get people [TS]

00:19:02   excited about what the movie is you know but it's what I was getting at before is [TS]

00:19:08   that if marketing was not a factor at all and human beings weren't buying this [TS]

00:19:14   application here just making sure your notification you would release it when [TS]

00:19:18   it's done the not say anything about it ahead of time to say what it is at this [TS]

00:19:21   point right now it seems like your inclination is why would never tell [TS]

00:19:26   anyone anything until it's done and never give you doing here it is but the [TS]

00:19:29   only reason you're considering it is because maybe maybe that attitude is a [TS]

00:19:33   bit too close to this maybe there's something that's a happy medium where [TS]

00:19:36   three days before I have a countdown clock or weekend it's hard to put an [TS]

00:19:40   image or something like that you know you have to look at it as you know [TS]

00:19:44   formula like what's in it for me really like a white one is my benefit from free [TS]

00:19:49   announcing and Preeti Singh something and it's hard honestly I would love to [TS]

00:19:54   share stuff with people love to share information with people I've been burned [TS]

00:19:58   a lot in the past by being ripped off and I'm still very sensitive to that you [TS]

00:20:03   know I am trying to I'm trying to reduce my sensitivity to that over time but I [TS]

00:20:07   still am very sensitive to it and so the last thing I want to do is announced I'm [TS]

00:20:11   going to do and then get ripped off before even doing well the one thing I [TS]

00:20:19   would say in and then maybe we can do a quick sponsor the one thing I would say [TS]

00:20:23   is that in my personal opinion you've just pre-announced everything you should [TS]

00:20:28   need to pray announcer and need is a probably poor choice of words but [TS]

00:20:31   everything you might want to pronounce we know that you're working on an iOS [TS]

00:20:34   app we know that it's going to be something different and I don't think we [TS]

00:20:37   really need to know any more than that and I think I echo what your what you [TS]

00:20:42   were saying earlier that it's almost disrespectful to to say more than that I [TS]

00:20:46   mean people know you've cleaned your plate of our obligations presumably you [TS]

00:20:50   found something that's no longer compulsory but actually interesting to [TS]

00:20:53   work on and so everyone knows that you're not gonna sit on your island with [TS]

00:20:57   your shots and helicopters and injuring five and drive in circles so I'm not [TS]

00:21:02   that that's all I think anyone wants to know is that we're gonna get something [TS]

00:21:05   else in the world thanks to you I can tell you that it will contain a [TS]

00:21:09   UIWebView and does not want you very tough this week we have two brand new [TS]

00:21:19   sponsors say what the first one right now the first one is from rem Objects [TS]

00:21:23   Software it's called oxygen for cocoa and it's a new programming language but [TS]

00:21:29   and it's for cocoa and the Objective C runtime so I want to explain this [TS]

00:21:33   properly to give me some leeway here basically so they say especially they [TS]

00:21:37   even address this comment to John it is not a bridge and it is not an [TS]

00:21:41   abstraction layer it is a true language for the platform and it replaces [TS]

00:21:46   Objective C within the tool stack so it gives you full and direct access to all [TS]

00:21:51   the cocoa classes and API's all the objects you interact with on the code [TS]

00:21:55   are the real objective see objects you're calling method are real UIButton [TS]

00:21:59   during our real UITableView controller subclass etcetera and compiles down to [TS]

00:22:04   regular Objective C runtime objects and native code so the resulting executable [TS]

00:22:09   is all but indistinguishable from one created with Objective C in Xcode and if [TS]

00:22:14   you debug the app where he learned instruments it looks like an objective [TS]

00:22:17   see so all those things just work the language is based on Object Pascal but [TS]

00:22:23   there's a good reason that their tagline is it's not your daddy's Pascal didn't [TS]

00:22:27   have passed out maybe you're at it as it goes well beyond what most people [TS]

00:22:32   associate with Pascal but maintains all the readability inconsistency that makes [TS]

00:22:36   Pascal a great language so it has many advanced features that they say blows [TS]

00:22:41   objective Seattle water things like future types class contracts and many [TS]

00:22:45   elements that make it just more convenient and straight forward to using [TS]

00:22:48   Objective C you can use plus ticket to concatenate to a strings and it will [TS]

00:22:53   automatically box from integer tune and his number if you call method on you [TS]

00:22:56   know stuff like that so many other cool thing about this is that this oxygen [TS]

00:23:00   language is also available for the.net platform and for Java and Android so if [TS]

00:23:06   you are writing applications for multiple platforms or say a server [TS]

00:23:09   backend you can do it all in the same language oxygen in around on on dot net [TS]

00:23:14   for about eight years and it's the most widely used non-microsoft language in [TS]

00:23:18   the platform so you know what they say is you know it's it's not it isn't to [TS]

00:23:25   encourage the right to write once run everywhere kind of crappy cross-platform [TS]

00:23:28   apps but it's designed to let you create platforms create a free platform [TS]

00:23:32   natively [TS]

00:23:34   use the same language in all places so you learned once and you know it any way [TS]

00:23:38   you can find out more at Ram objects dot com that sorry an object dot com slash [TS]

00:23:44   oxygen but its oxygen spelled with an E on the end what looks like oxigene but [TS]

00:23:49   it's pronounced oxygen so 0 XY GE ne or you can go to oxygen language dot com [TS]

00:23:54   spelled the same way [TS]

00:23:56   listeners of the show can get 20% off any other product with coupon code ATP [TS]

00:24:00   13 once again at the RAM objects dot com slash oxygen with an E on the end and [TS]

00:24:05   use coupon code 80134 20% off thank you very much too [TS]

00:24:09   Oxygene 4 oxygen for coca from remote software as Princess oxygen in my head [TS]

00:24:15   the entire time recycle sponsorship until they give me the tax and they gave [TS]

00:24:19   me the the pronunciation guide that it is pronounced oxygen it had been sending [TS]

00:24:24   me the links and I was going to the site and reading the site and also pronounced [TS]

00:24:28   it the wrong way into my head [TS]

00:24:29   yeah it a nice option with 16 the top thing on this site should have been just [TS]

00:24:34   a pronunciation is there anyone behind this that we were no cause I wonder [TS]

00:24:39   where these companies come from because like what they're doing is not it's not [TS]

00:24:42   something like this thing where you read on language and deploy analyzed a small [TS]

00:24:47   job right and yet [TS]

00:24:49   like you know they seem like where do these people come from or when they must [TS]

00:24:54   have been toiling on this in obscurity for like years they said they'd been a [TS]

00:24:58   Microsoft platforms for eight years so I think that's where they came from his is [TS]

00:25:02   the day started out there and then and now the branch and I was that makes some [TS]

00:25:08   sense because Mike how in the world do you ever accomplished that in any [TS]

00:25:12   reasonable time for any you know I have no idea and more like an apple do stuff [TS]

00:25:18   like that they're not they can [TS]

00:25:21   they just don't care about anyone but themselves they themselves paying taxes [TS]

00:25:29   that sounds like fun [TS]

00:25:30   God and sorta kinda speaking paying taxes [TS]

00:25:36   the other thing I want to bring at least briefly talked about is Tim Cook at [TS]

00:25:39   AllThingsD which was what [TS]

00:25:41   last night I believed at the time recording which is Tuesday night so [TS]

00:25:47   there were a couple of interesting things that came of this and to be [TS]

00:25:51   honest conversation may be fairly short but one of the things that I thought was [TS]

00:25:56   really awesome was the way he talked about how Apple used their job [TS]

00:26:04   him said we think that the customer pays sauce to make certain choices on their [TS]

00:26:10   behalf [TS]

00:26:11   instead of going in and I've seen some settings on these phones were here [TS]

00:26:18   your deep into the bowels of the thing choosing this and that me other than the [TS]

00:26:21   other than that I don't think that's what most customers more just someone [TS]

00:26:26   that yes supports but is that a mainstream customer when I don't think [TS]

00:26:33   so I thought that was about as good a way as any that i've ever heard somebody [TS]

00:26:38   sum up the way Apple approaches products and I know when I talk to a lot of my [TS]

00:26:44   developer friends particularly the local ones that works a.net or other languages [TS]

00:26:49   they all get very angry about the fact that they don't have a lot of control [TS]

00:26:53   over iOS devices and that's why a lot of museums or advices and I i keep coming [TS]

00:26:59   back to you know five ten years ago maybe ten years ago I would have much [TS]

00:27:03   preferred an Android device because I could fiddle with it and tweak it and [TS]

00:27:07   turn it into something honestly kind of awful but now I just want stuff to work [TS]

00:27:12   and I want Apple to make those choices for me and I and again I thought this [TS]

00:27:16   was just an unbelievably good and short way of summing it up I don't know what [TS]

00:27:20   you guys thought about it I was getting nervous when I hear Tim Cook saying [TS]

00:27:25   product related thanks not that I think like leaving his house he speaks with a [TS]

00:27:32   company that's fine and everything but that I'm IIS my picture of him in my [TS]

00:27:37   head is not like that's not his strength like I would much rather see him when he [TS]

00:27:40   starts talking about something like why they don't have a large line of phones [TS]

00:27:45   and all the different things but international business and manufacturing [TS]

00:27:49   I'm confident that he's an expert in those areas but in these other areas I [TS]

00:27:52   feel like here's doing what a lot of other invite normal CEO's do which is [TS]

00:27:56   really saying the result of discussions with the lower level experts in the [TS]

00:28:02   company or a tier below him we're here below them you know I don't I don't know [TS]

00:28:08   like it does sound like oh you know it sounds like a summary of previous [TS]

00:28:15   discussions and i dont if you left it out to ten cook what things would be [TS]

00:28:20   allowed to be insulting someone things wouldn't be I feel like you make bad [TS]

00:28:23   decisions in one direction or another and you know they would would have very [TS]

00:28:28   few seconds but there'll be the wrong settings are here and no settings mats [TS]

00:28:31   untenable just ask mark up or he would have too many settings and not like the [TS]

00:28:37   style settings hold separate topics like it you know the reason and we talked [TS]

00:28:43   about this because it's not easy you can just give her like are you should have [TS]

00:28:46   no settings are are you should have its you setting as possible [TS]

00:28:49   you have to have just the exact right settings you have to know it's kind of [TS]

00:28:54   like a gut feeling or whatever what are the right settings that what is [TS]

00:28:57   important what isn't because we all know that you know the settings and [TS]

00:29:01   application can make or break it right [TS]

00:29:02   doesn't mean you have to have a lot of them but if you don't know what you're [TS]

00:29:05   doing a lot of them it's like well everyone needs to change something can [TS]

00:29:09   change things I want to change that's pretty terrible right but by the same [TS]

00:29:12   token if you put in the wrong settings only three seconds into the wrong ones [TS]

00:29:15   it's like man this absolutely perfect if I could only do accent doesn't have to [TS]

00:29:20   be effortless name could be something important like it totally breaks away [TS]

00:29:24   worker's application because it doesn't you know I can't change this particular [TS]

00:29:29   behavior and then it drives me insane [TS]

00:29:31   the application is no good for you and everyone got one of those you can so [TS]

00:29:34   that everybody so like that's the art of it figuring out for the most people the [TS]

00:29:39   the top five most important things that should be settings because neither [TS]

00:29:42   decision is clearly right thing to do and that's what I know within that is [TS]

00:29:46   sort of an arch more than anything else on here like I'm a jury type person [TS]

00:29:49   giving a pat answer like oh they pay us to make decisions for them and I know [TS]

00:29:53   some people want settings but most people don't let people applaud that and [TS]

00:29:56   like this that's like a platitude it's not you know if I know that's backed by [TS]

00:30:01   the good taste to know which ones to set them that's fine but if it is here in [TS]

00:30:05   isolation unlike you know I'm not impressed by that statement but it will [TS]

00:30:13   no I don't think you're being mean to Tim Cook but what i think is hard is to [TS]

00:30:18   realize early start for me anyways to realize that team may not be the man [TS]

00:30:24   that knows that unlike steve but he's smart enough to find the person man or [TS]

00:30:30   woman that can make that call and empower them to do so and I think giving [TS]

00:30:35   Jony ive and Craig Federici a little bit more control is evidence of that that [TS]

00:30:42   that I think Tim knows that he's not that guy but he won't power the guy or [TS]

00:30:46   girl that is that guy or girl that make any sense at all like his he's got it's [TS]

00:30:52   unfair to him as he only one guy can be on that stage and it's got to be him so [TS]

00:30:55   he has to speak for the company right i mean we're kind of spoiled by Steve Jobs [TS]

00:30:59   where he could speak about that particular topic like it was reversed by [TS]

00:31:03   Steve Johnson Steve Jobs to talk about like supply chains and and inventory [TS]

00:31:07   then you tell he was not talking about something that he was he was merely [TS]

00:31:12   channeling Tim Cook and it's weird to see that reversed now you know when tim [TS]

00:31:15   is talking about financial stuff and supply chains [TS]

00:31:19   that's like him talking and the other times it's him representing the rest of [TS]

00:31:22   the company [TS]

00:31:23   well i i think first of all I think it's worth pointing out that steve did make [TS]

00:31:29   tons of bad decisions and he did often rely on the people below him arguing [TS]

00:31:35   with him until he relented and and and sometimes he didn't relent and ship bad [TS]

00:31:40   decisions to the public and then head to head to go back on those [TS]

00:31:43   so I you know there's that anyway I think china think you're being a little [TS]

00:31:48   bit me know me too I think you know you look at this guy talk and I think about [TS]

00:31:56   halfway through the video I i read the livestream last night as it was [TS]

00:32:00   happening but the last year does not capture it very well first of all the [TS]

00:32:05   live stream is generally paraphrase they don't they don't usually say the exact [TS]

00:32:09   words to the usually can't keep up and and so you know it helps to watch the [TS]

00:32:16   video to really get an idea of what he said exactly what he said and how he [TS]

00:32:20   said it and you look at the sky speak and he has a rock I mean he he is rock [TS]

00:32:28   stable rock-solid he was saying with congress like you can't make the sky [TS]

00:32:33   flinch and I think if he was if he was mainly just repeating things he was told [TS]

00:32:39   her things you had been taught by the by the by the lower down people about the [TS]

00:32:44   product costs fees and stuff I don't think he would be quite as Solomon [TS]

00:32:47   talking about the many think I think you'd see him doing a lot more [TS]

00:32:51   misstatements or kind of awkward clumsy handling of the Stevens but he doesn't [TS]

00:32:56   do that he is rock solid and so i i think i think he really has internalized [TS]

00:33:02   everything he needs to internalize too to be that kind of the CEO of a product [TS]

00:33:09   focused company like this i really think that he that he knows a lot more and he [TS]

00:33:15   has a lot more responsibilities than given credit for here looking for is [TS]

00:33:19   basically like you know i i don't think he doubts that he's shaken many of the [TS]

00:33:23   principles but when it comes down to it as I said the tricky part about this is [TS]

00:33:27   not this unlike a lot of the economic stuff is not a science it's more of an [TS]

00:33:31   art and he's not the one with that gut feeling that is going to drive the [TS]

00:33:36   company has he said you know Steve Jobs got too but for the most part in the big [TS]

00:33:41   sweeping decisions like we should make a deal computer we should make a music [TS]

00:33:44   player and it should be like this and we should get into phones and it's not [TS]

00:33:49   going to ship until it's good enough for me like in the in the big things his gut [TS]

00:33:53   was blunt [TS]

00:33:54   drove these things so it's one thing to say you know this this abstract [TS]

00:33:58   philosophy of will make decisions for you and choose what needs to be in the [TS]

00:34:02   application and what doesn't and nothing to know that that is also the guy who's [TS]

00:34:07   got it going to guide big sweeping things like what is Mac OS 10 gonna look [TS]

00:34:12   like the fact that was all crazy and blue and shiny or whatever right place [TS]

00:34:17   at the right thing to do the wrong thing to do i mean your gut can be wrong about [TS]

00:34:20   these things and like he's not the guy with that right that's true even though [TS]

00:34:25   he understands the principles and like I said I think it's basically receive jobs [TS]

00:34:28   who never jobs talked about the economic stuff he's a smart guy he knew all the [TS]

00:34:31   principles but when it came down to it [TS]

00:34:33   decide like which supply should do what and how much of the flash memory should [TS]

00:34:37   be pretty by and it's a good deal we're gonna be saddled with tons of LCDs that [TS]

00:34:40   we don't mediator should wait for this he wasn't the guy to make that call but [TS]

00:34:45   he just understand all the underlying concepts and it's probably true that Tim [TS]

00:34:49   Cook is much much more solid been talking about top topics that he's not [TS]

00:34:53   the super duper expert in the jobs was because I dot jobs to talk about [TS]

00:34:56   economics he sounded more like he was somebody merely parroting things that he [TS]

00:35:00   learned from other people even though he also probably understood them but I [TS]

00:35:03   think the thing that looks favorite during this entire thing and especially [TS]

00:35:08   i think i to last year's WWDC which I probably came across in the keynote we [TS]

00:35:12   were there we saw a speck on the stage of whatever but you can't feel them [TS]

00:35:15   around that the Tim Cook is has the same enthusiasm and passion and he's not [TS]

00:35:20   faking it Steve Jobs have these things I think about the time he was he was on [TS]

00:35:23   stage talking about like that the blind guy using the iPad to like walk around [TS]

00:35:27   the woods and he's in my season Academy award-winning actor he was not faking [TS]

00:35:31   like the fact that that that made him feel like what he's doing with his [TS]

00:35:36   career and life is meaningful write more so than all the stuff they asked about [TS]

00:35:40   market share files or whatever he is really you know touched by the idea the [TS]

00:35:46   things he's making your changing the world in a touchy-feely Apple you know [TS]

00:35:49   kind of way [TS]

00:35:50   and that that i think is his best asset as CEO Markus second-best [TS]

00:35:56   second to his expertise in the job that he had before he was see is the fact [TS]

00:36:02   that he really is enthusiastic about the stuff and he's not he's not a bean [TS]

00:36:07   counter and he's not just out there too assertive steer the ship and like he's [TS]

00:36:12   not just a manager from Andrew sake why you have to come back to where he was [TS]

00:36:16   before I you know why you know you don't sell sugar water coming Stephen change [TS]

00:36:22   the world well with Tim too I think we've really seen over the last year [TS]

00:36:26   especially we've really seen him just developed this incredible image of just [TS]

00:36:34   not only being an absolute rock about everything and you know this is this is [TS]

00:36:38   definitely a guy you want running your company but you can also tell that he's [TS]

00:36:43   not an idiot on any level like you know like to use of Steve Jobs where the he's [TS]

00:36:47   not a bozo at all like you can tell this guy is sharp and knows exactly what he's [TS]

00:36:52   doing but he's also and he has he's very deliberate in what he does you know it [TS]

00:36:57   doesn't it doesn't feel like he's like you know there are 38 the law see what [TS]

00:37:01   sticks it seems like he's really being a very deliberate about everything he does [TS]

00:37:04   but also he projects a very very nice personality when he speaks publicly he [TS]

00:37:12   seems he seems extremely polite well-spoken in personable but still firm [TS]

00:37:19   and strong and so I think he has the perfect image of what you do lawn a CEO [TS]

00:37:25   of a of an important company to have when he's extremely deliberate in the [TS]

00:37:31   way he speaks as well something I wish I could be better about is taking a moment [TS]

00:37:36   to think about what you were going to say specially in like a one-on-one [TS]

00:37:39   conversation this podcast is little bit different but if you're in a serious [TS]

00:37:44   conversation saying remember that I do consultant for a living so say I'm had a [TS]

00:37:48   client and they asked me a question my natural inclination is to fire off an [TS]

00:37:52   answer immediately and one thing that I respect deeply about him is that he will [TS]

00:37:58   sit there and allows silence so he can collect his thoughts [TS]

00:38:02   and make sure that his answer is a great one [TS]

00:38:05   not just a good one not just an acceptable one but a great one and it [TS]

00:38:09   was a big Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs was just like that that pause and a certain [TS]

00:38:13   point steve jobs that are you wanted to see pausing together his thoughts or is [TS]

00:38:17   now is now is asked of a head game like he's already knows what he's gonna like [TS]

00:38:23   it was a 1998 or whatever he was doing Q&A and the guy pat and they're not just [TS]

00:38:31   question about the United question is like it was clear that you don't know [TS]

00:38:35   what you doing here in a bit open doc or something it would never end he just the [TS]

00:38:39   pause after that I should time in the video it's like so long are you waiting [TS]

00:38:43   for their response there I can think of a couple of things to say about Tim Cook [TS]

00:38:48   just like well compared to save jobs right and with any kind of powerful [TS]

00:38:53   person speaking publicly like you previously had two choices you get the [TS]

00:39:00   guy who really truly believes what he sayin and his earnest about it and the [TS]

00:39:05   guy who says exactly the right thing but give some kind of hinted he also knows [TS]

00:39:12   that it's been good examples being at the top of the stairs the Congressional [TS]

00:39:15   Ethics playing apples business everything and did nothing wrong like he [TS]

00:39:20   did exactly what you're supposed to do and i cant decide I actually like I can [TS]

00:39:25   decide for me I think it's worse to be the guy who really believes that [TS]

00:39:28   everything you're telling congress is the 100% straight honest truth like you [TS]

00:39:33   know the fact that he never mentioned why then did things overseas and how is [TS]

00:39:37   a tax avoidance schemes stuff like that like everything you said was true is a [TS]

00:39:41   sort of an errand of omission and I feel more comfortable like Steve Jobs is [TS]

00:39:46   doing it he would he would make it clear that everyone knows is BS 'cause ever [TS]

00:39:50   watching those its BS congress notice vs Tim Cook know we all know it's like kind [TS]

00:39:54   of its theater right but sometimes I think that temp the first second or two [TS]

00:39:59   I think the team could really believes what he's saying I'm like wait a second [TS]

00:40:02   he knows what's really you know he's no dummy we're all in on this or whatever [TS]

00:40:05   but he's so earnestly like oh my god maybe he really believes that you know [TS]

00:40:10   like now come on here and to me that's worse I would rather have [TS]

00:40:14   like the guy who's in on the sort of shared delusion that were all you know [TS]

00:40:20   the suspension of disbelief for this theater type thing but then the true [TS]

00:40:24   believer technique is it a second time cook really believes the dead everything [TS]

00:40:29   he omitted in discussing the apples various tax shelters [TS]

00:40:33   doesn't exist then we know no trouble I mean this is testament to how incredibly [TS]

00:40:38   Ernest N R's like for a second he can you believe it he really believes it [TS]

00:40:41   before the Tim Cook Off things deak on topic I do want to point out also that a [TS]

00:40:49   lot of people have said no he hasn't really said anything here he didn't say [TS]

00:40:53   anything to really learn anything and I think that's all crap I I think he said [TS]

00:40:57   quite a lot and he said it in the Apple way and in the Tim Cook way but I think [TS]

00:41:03   he said quite a lot of interesting things that's criminology I mean like if [TS]

00:41:08   you go back to I would watch the Steve Jobs when you're all just looking to see [TS]

00:41:10   like it never gonna say so so there's reporters who have no idea about you [TS]

00:41:14   know just generic reporters like they go through don't seem like you said [TS]

00:41:18   anything but for people who are following every single you know there is [TS]

00:41:23   a bar that comes out of Apple when you ask him you know what do you think about [TS]

00:41:27   big screens and I guess you resume tomorrow and the first things I was [TS]

00:41:30   mounted as well we're not making one yet I mean like best the answer like that is [TS]

00:41:36   that is the biggest answer ever gonna get anything like even steve Jobs was [TS]

00:41:40   never that open even in his wildest days we're not making one yet but I really [TS]

00:41:47   now for the future whatever he doesn't say that if they don't have the largest [TS]

00:41:51   falling like in the planning stages are ready and little little things like that [TS]

00:41:56   they were dropped everywhere about you know timeline of television time lining [TS]

00:42:00   anything with wearable its kinda reminds me of Steve Jobs Wayne like i remember i [TS]

00:42:07   was way before the iPhone like five years I'm sure that when they were [TS]

00:42:11   talking with people were asking about PDA that was the big thing to do is like [TS]

00:42:15   a PDA like they tried to buy Palmer and spring or something and been rebuffed [TS]

00:42:20   are now set of results secret no remorse and stuff and people kept asking about [TS]

00:42:24   PDA is and a certain point you know give answer is no comments have a certain [TS]

00:42:29   point steve Jobs said to some reporter really believe that phones over the [TS]

00:42:33   future of this is going to be making a phone like that and that's why four [TS]

00:42:39   years my friends and I really like you know what is the iPhone coming everybody [TS]

00:42:43   called the iPhone cases the iMac iPhone coming in then we start to lose [TS]

00:42:46   statesman-like never gonna make a phone it's been such a long time but like back [TS]

00:42:51   then like when when you make a statement like that to reporter you might as well [TS]

00:42:56   just come out and say exactly what you're doing I guess reporters can [TS]

00:42:58   report on it because it would be you know the heating season really say that [TS]

00:43:03   but for people are reading the tea leaves it's all out there on the opening [TS]

00:43:07   that in his answers I would say specifically he seemed to confirm [TS]

00:43:13   in his hand in the Apple way he seemed to confirm that they are working on some [TS]

00:43:19   kind of watch like device that includes multiple types of sensors and search [TS]

00:43:23   multiple functions don't you did you get the impression that wearable stuff I [TS]

00:43:28   think there might be something new that's a really interesting area one [TS]

00:43:33   thing and it has to have multiple sensors and he's he's he's looking at a [TS]

00:43:37   place that Nike FuelBand on his wrist [TS]

00:43:39   he's like describing his product obliquely at that point I mean I think [TS]

00:43:43   that was a very a very clear [TS]

00:43:46   not not even a hint that was like beating you over the head we are doing [TS]

00:43:49   something like a watch that's going to have multiple sites like the entering [TS]

00:43:54   new product categories like and possibly as it seems the people freak out about [TS]

00:44:00   it like we did with the phone thing at the phone didn't come out like five [TS]

00:44:03   years or whatever it was it was some insane amount of seemed like forever [TS]

00:44:05   right it doesn't mean that the water is coming out next week like us the problem [TS]

00:44:09   with the echo chamber of the news like you know what is coming is gonna come [TS]

00:44:13   out any second now but I mines in these things are huge he just read the tea [TS]

00:44:18   leaves to see all right [TS]

00:44:20   is this something that I was even looking at because if you would ask them [TS]

00:44:23   about was thinking of making the car his answer would have been not been [TS]

00:44:26   the car a space is really interesting I think are made by Apple could be really [TS]

00:44:30   interesting and it would have to use multiple sensors know he would say no [TS]

00:44:34   we're not just a different answer right now all it does is tell you that [TS]

00:44:39   something that you wear that you purchased from Apple that's not a clip [TS]

00:44:43   on iPod Shuffle is potentially in the future of this company and tells you [TS]

00:44:46   nothing about the timeline other than it's probably not a decade from now I [TS]

00:44:51   but even on the timeline I think he was pretty clear that we're going to see a [TS]

00:44:54   new category from Apple like this fall or early next year that could have been [TS]

00:44:59   the TV had he not put the kibosh on that in his answers [TS]

00:45:02   conference right you know like going there any calls like new category in [TS]

00:45:06   every category TV which is it for a long time as a new category something that [TS]

00:45:11   you wear which also been removed and then fast or to the conference get that [TS]

00:45:14   both questions is very different answers my car and I guess it's the thing you [TS]

00:45:18   where was it him that said that nobody wears watches anymore but it was [TS]

00:45:24   interesting he said the live streams kind of transcribed as quickly but what [TS]

00:45:28   he actually said was like for something to work here you first have to convince [TS]

00:45:35   people that so incredible that they want to wear it because we're done that you [TS]

00:45:41   two guys are wearing watches if we had a room full ten to twenty year olds and [TS]

00:45:50   Henry said everybody stand up that has the Watchung I'm not sure anybody with [TS]

00:45:56   standoff I don't see it ten to twenty year old I mean yeah ok so the guy deals [TS]

00:46:01   with data that sounded a lot like they did a survey that sounded like that was [TS]

00:46:06   a date that was data that they had looked up already like he wasn't just [TS]

00:46:10   like that's the kind of thing that steve was just kind of wing from as you know [TS]

00:46:13   from his gut I think him he was talking as though they were already looking into [TS]

00:46:19   this and he liked the comment about multiple sensors and glasses sucking I [TS]

00:46:23   really think he was pretty clearly telling us there's going to be something [TS]

00:46:29   here under siege did do lots of market research jobs like the downplayed it he [TS]

00:46:34   was saying they didn't focus your design which is true but underneath example I [TS]

00:46:38   can think of that is speaking [TS]

00:46:39   watches anymore is when people were asking about is a producer is a free [TS]

00:46:44   iPad is obligated to some sort of reading device or whatever and he said [TS]

00:46:47   nobody reads anymore and then he threw out like a couple of statistics in the [TS]

00:46:53   only way he would know the statistics up top of his head is from Apple's on [TS]

00:46:57   market research they had done in the planning stages for making the iPod [TS]

00:47:00   Touch iPad which is so clearly in development then it's like by quoting a [TS]

00:47:05   statistic that you know is it supposed to be shooting down the the argument of [TS]

00:47:10   the persons they are you should make this thing out nobody read more of [TS]

00:47:13   certain people say that no surveys show that people from this age group effort [TS]

00:47:17   was throughout unlike you don't know that statistic off the top of your head [TS]

00:47:20   if you had not investigated so it's the same time they did do market research [TS]

00:47:25   they continue to do market research to see you know what kind of products [TS]

00:47:29   they're gonna make I don't know if Tim does more of it and Stephen or Steve [TS]

00:47:33   definite downplayed the idea that the day that you know anything other than [TS]

00:47:37   spring from their creativity their big companies to market research I'm sure [TS]

00:47:44   they know exactly how many people of what ages wear watches or would be [TS]

00:47:47   willing to wear something and so on [TS]

00:47:49   alright and to that end when he says you know if you have a room full was it ten [TS]

00:47:54   twenty year olds or ten to twenty year olds it doesn't think it was ten to [TS]

00:47:58   twenty year old ten to twenty year olds but to be honest it doesn't matter the [TS]

00:48:03   point I'm driving out is when he says oh nobody in the ten to twenty year old [TS]

00:48:06   range whatever the statistic was wearing a watch is that like a Barney Stinson [TS]

00:48:10   challenge accepted moment or is that him saying no really nobody wants to watch [TS]

00:48:15   and there's nothing we can do to stop it [TS]

00:48:16   well what what he was what he was saying that the theme of what he was saying was [TS]

00:48:21   basically that that if your gonna be able to wear a watch it has to be really [TS]

00:48:27   really good that like an employment what's on the market now in the villa [TS]

00:48:32   smart watches is not good enough to convince people to wear a watch you [TS]

00:48:35   weren't already and who were nerds like you know people who are buying Google s [TS]

00:48:39   and and so it sounded like it's only what he was saying was a combination of [TS]

00:48:45   Google glass is a total flop and I will wear it and [TS]

00:48:50   we think there's something to to be had in a in the watch area but nothing else [TS]

00:48:53   out there is good enough yet which is typical Apple stuff to stop to say [TS]

00:48:57   before they enter market right that's exactly my point is they're saying well [TS]

00:49:01   right now it all sucks but the underlying under your breath comment is [TS]

00:49:07   0 but we'll show you exactly like men's haps whatever the forties where all you [TS]

00:49:15   know you look at the movies all the men on the street in New York City Roller [TS]

00:49:18   hats and then eventually fell out of favor and then nobody had to work out [TS]

00:49:22   like it did in fact it would be rude to I had to work to do like a baseball hat [TS]

00:49:26   or something right [TS]

00:49:27   men's dress hats and I guess women's dress had some degree fell out of [TS]

00:49:31   fashion so if you had asked you know sixty years ago how many men wore a hat [TS]

00:49:36   today on the way to our caller has an overall I think watches are like that in [TS]

00:49:39   part because you know I should start with pagers people to start looking at [TS]

00:49:43   the page or see what time was once you had some other way to tell what time it [TS]

00:49:47   was other than a watch watches change from this practical thing you had to [TS]

00:49:52   whereas you got places on time into merely like jewellery like a fashion [TS]

00:49:57   accessory people still do wear watches but I I could do I wonder if they still [TS]

00:50:02   pick up their phone to tell the time is right so I can say you know people don't [TS]

00:50:05   watch is because like the function of a watches a timekeeper the goes on your [TS]

00:50:09   wrist [TS]

00:50:10   we don't need that anymore because that functionality has been some super smart [TS]

00:50:15   devices but if we can make something that you can put on your rest of [TS]

00:50:19   something does have value to you beyond just telling you what time it was then [TS]

00:50:22   maybe that would be a good thing so we saying it is always stressed out there [TS]

00:50:25   that don't have watches on because watches are not worth the time not worth [TS]

00:50:29   putting on your wrist [TS]

00:50:31   those are just waiting there for sign into this is gonna be attached to your [TS]

00:50:35   body but something that you we're probably yes probably under arrest [TS]

00:50:38   that's that's what he's saying that answers all those risks out there just [TS]

00:50:43   crying out for something really cool for Apple to stick your house where watch [TS]

00:50:50   now you know i didnt i didnt so I'd say a couple years ago and [TS]

00:50:56   I've always enjoyed them and I've always told myself that if I ever hit it big in [TS]

00:51:01   so everything that I own get myself a stupidly expensive watch and by that I [TS]

00:51:07   mean like several hundred dollars as opposed to twenty but I i I keep telling [TS]

00:51:13   myself on a by myself watching and I haven't worn one of the few years and [TS]

00:51:18   I'm too cheap to buy one there is in the old tumblr office and i dont wanna say [TS]

00:51:24   he wasn't kissing causing you problems but there is a guy who who shared the [TS]

00:51:28   office and and he had a watch dealer come in like twice a year to show my [TS]

00:51:35   keys like new fancy like really like $10,000 watchers and is looking at this [TS]

00:51:41   this like you know kinda short thick guy was like an undershirt briefcase would [TS]

00:51:45   come in open up the briefcase and show off 930 grandmother watches right there [TS]

00:51:49   and it was it like the whole cult of like watch people like camera people but [TS]

00:51:54   even more so because cameras have more of a function like once they tell time [TS]

00:51:59   beyond that everything else is this latest fashion yeah and although I was [TS]

00:52:04   just on podcast guy and Renee and I don't remember if this part of it was [TS]

00:52:09   after the recording and interested in so you can forgive me for repeating it but [TS]

00:52:13   we were talking about the washing and said to them was that this is such a [TS]

00:52:19   dangerous area for apple or any other company because once you put something [TS]

00:52:24   on your body in a way that counts as wearing you enter this whole other realm [TS]

00:52:30   of crazy illogical nonsensical ego entangled decision-making [TS]

00:52:38   you know the iPod shuffle you clip on your clothes and most people would say [TS]

00:52:42   you're not wearing an iPod shuffle like I was just my ipod but it attaches to my [TS]

00:52:46   clothing for convenient carrying the once you have something that I'm wearing [TS]

00:52:51   this then you know forget it it's like many people will take electronic device [TS]

00:52:57   carrier in their pocket or even clip it to their close to the things that are [TS]

00:53:00   people that people are willing to wear that is acknowledged as a wearing thing [TS]

00:53:04   is totally dictated by things that Apple really doesn't have any control over [TS]

00:53:09   I'm sure I pulled up to the challenge but what a challenge that is give me [TS]

00:53:13   something that I want to wear because it then becomes a fashion statement and [TS]

00:53:18   expression of self much more so than even carrying a laptop or phone even [TS]

00:53:23   those those things do you know you carry a part of your image with that thing I [TS]

00:53:26   feel like wearing his like the next level at because basically if you make [TS]

00:53:30   this thing [TS]

00:53:31   ugly you know in the opinion of some buyer [TS]

00:53:34   like this is the most awesome denies everything is awesome but I'm not gonna [TS]

00:53:37   wear and that's part of the Google asking is because that's wearing when [TS]

00:53:41   you put that thing on your head that counts is wearing something and it looks [TS]

00:53:45   awkward to give you know how awesome is it just gonna be like you know i mean [TS]

00:53:50   it's hard for me to be late because everything I own is unfashionable an [TS]

00:53:53   ugly and stupid but other people have lots of their self-image tied up into [TS]

00:53:59   looking good and you have to sort of I guess not if I could not stop on those [TS]

00:54:05   land mines to get a product into there into their hands and they're willing to [TS]

00:54:08   look at the people in our class some people just have no bearing on anything [TS]

00:54:13   I have no doubt you should get coolness John futuristic I even have my limits [TS]

00:54:17   the yellow and that is such a dangerous part about what about where we'll take [TS]

00:54:23   and I'm gonna hop on particular going to navigate that because they're not gonna [TS]

00:54:26   make seven hundred miles of the Samsung Islamic Center miles of the report [TS]

00:54:29   product right and you'll be able to find one that works for you is the same thing [TS]

00:54:32   with the phone cases right even though you don't wear phone bill by the phone [TS]

00:54:37   but it is a Brazilian cases in some of the cases you find the people of [TS]

00:54:41   rhinestone encrusted things are wooden cases are things that look like they're [TS]

00:54:44   made of Legos are brushed metal like that's how people are able to even come [TS]

00:54:48   to terms with things like carry a lot of time if you can't do something similar [TS]

00:54:52   to something that you where I was going to be in trouble because no matter how [TS]

00:54:55   neutral and tasteful they make it some persons gonna say I wouldn't worry that [TS]

00:54:59   I'm aware that yes but you're also not considering that I think Apple at the [TS]

00:55:05   moment anyway is more than not very trendy and so it's trendy in kind of [TS]

00:55:11   cool now to have [TS]

00:55:12   a silver laptop with a piece of fruit shining on the lid and I could swear [TS]

00:55:19   that I had read stories years ago that people would connect iPod earbuds or [TS]

00:55:24   iPhone earbuds tune on non-apple devices just so they also had the white crap [TS]

00:55:30   dangling they would do that but like I that's why I'm saying I think there is a [TS]

00:55:35   part of personal expression embodied in fashionable electronic devices you carry [TS]

00:55:40   and this is like the next level you're not just carrying this you're wearing it [TS]

00:55:43   like it's so crazy I think about shoes you know how crazy people are about the [TS]

00:55:48   shoes they're not willing and not willing to work how many times you see [TS]

00:55:50   somebody else's shoes you think man I would never wear those shoes but the [TS]

00:55:54   person wearing those loves those shoes they paid 300 bucks right it's such an [TS]

00:55:59   incredible range and people will reject products that are perfectly good in [TS]

00:56:04   every possible way I can't worry that I won't wear that and yeah I i I will be [TS]

00:56:10   really interesting to see how Apple navigates this because these are [TS]

00:56:13   extremely dangerous waters they are but if you think about Apple's normal [TS]

00:56:18   devices they're extremely simple and tasteful and generally speaking look [TS]

00:56:22   good surely not everyone but generally speaking there's not a lot to them [TS]

00:56:26   they're not very flashy and they just look good and so I actually I do agree [TS]

00:56:30   with you and I think that this is a whole new territory they're not used to [TS]

00:56:33   but I also think that they'll probably navigate these waters pretty darn pretty [TS]

00:56:37   darn well they do the naked robotic chorus thing again I mean like I said [TS]

00:56:40   his work for them with the phone because like you said something tasteful is very [TS]

00:56:43   very unadorned very subdued or whatever but some people want to be picking [TS]

00:56:47   rhinestone encrusted so there better be a way for me to take a pink rhinestones [TS]

00:56:51   and shove them all over the Apple iWatch otherwise I'm not wearing that thing is [TS]

00:56:54   it looks just so boring and ugly and looks like a techno babble and mind me [TS]

00:56:57   to have rhinestones Euless right john I cannot wait to see you with your pink [TS]

00:57:02   rhinestone encrusted watch I am extremely excited to go great with [TS]

00:57:08   Motorola clamshell phone now with color screen [TS]

00:57:14   have no idea three nerds talk about fashion that never lets you earn XP [TS]

00:57:24   alright our next month sir it they need no introduction but the sad thing is [TS]

00:57:32   that when applied all because there are still people out there who have not [TS]

00:57:34   bought this yet it's over I don't know if it's pronounced Olver I say solver in [TS]

00:57:40   my head but I salsa dr. Gina my head so I had not always right in its sole verso [TS]

00:57:46   at sou lve are and what this is this is an app for the Mac iPhone and iPad and [TS]

00:57:53   they told me to just wing it is they knew that I'm a massive fan of this so [TS]

00:57:57   they don't even give me a script solver is basically a hybrid between a [TS]

00:58:04   calculator a notepad and a spreadsheet if you can kind of thing I've done if [TS]

00:58:09   you search my site for silver you'll see a post about ten times over the years it [TS]

00:58:15   my god you have to basically if I'm working I have this happen but I have an [TS]

00:58:20   open now even for a pocket I have always have it open what I suggest you do down [TS]

00:58:26   the SAP I'm pretty sure there's a trial didn't even tell me that up I'm pretty [TS]

00:58:31   sure yes there is a trial download the app give it a shot [TS]

00:58:37   what you want to do is just once you once you install this app even just the [TS]

00:58:42   trial just hi calculator if you have in your Dock take out your doctor never [TS]

00:58:46   launched calculator again and I suggest trying on the Mac first that's really my [TS]

00:58:50   peanuts were used the most that's where the best try it out instead of [TS]

00:58:55   calculator and anytime you're anytime you would try to figure out some little [TS]

00:59:00   computation type into a scratched silver document instead and once you start [TS]

00:59:06   using it for like a day you will vary [TS]

00:59:08   you'll instantly realize oh my God why have I been using stupid calculator apps [TS]

00:59:13   besides this all these years like why have I why am i taking so long to find [TS]

00:59:18   this out it's basically a scratch pad for numbers so ever since I started [TS]

00:59:25   using this I don't know if 2005 or something that they've been around [TS]

00:59:28   forever sorry to see it forever ago and ever since I started using it I I hardly [TS]

00:59:34   ever use spreadsheet anymore and I never used anymore it is and it's for [TS]

00:59:40   programmers for people who were just doing simple calculations basically if [TS]

00:59:44   you're the kind of person who has ever launched the calculator app on your [TS]

00:59:47   computer you can probably meet you can probably use this benefit from it so [TS]

00:59:52   called solver sou lber is 20 bucks in the Mac App Store or directly from their [TS]

00:59:57   site they also had some volume license discounts you can get for instance day [TS]

01:00:02   for a for computer household pack for only 25 bucks volume licenses this is [TS]

01:00:09   the kind of thing like if I was running a business with employees which I guess [TS]

01:00:12   I want to Buyi apparently hate doing that but if I was running a business [TS]

01:00:15   with employees I would buy one of these for every employee and just have it just [TS]

01:00:19   hiked a clear on the computers there some kind of like groupId policy and put [TS]

01:00:23   this on their instead really it's that good so they also have for iOS now use a [TS]

01:00:29   friend you know I will say is a format more but an Iowa State really great [TS]

01:00:34   first of all on the iPad there is no built-in calculator from Apple so easy [TS]

01:00:39   to install something if you have any calculator [TS]

01:00:42   install this it's awesome for lots of different things it's all and it does [TS]

01:00:46   formulas it does very you can use variables a few simple logic and use [TS]

01:00:50   labels I mean it's really an extremely high function application for for doing [TS]

01:00:56   any kind of in a number scratchpad work it's it's just so good anything anything [TS]

01:01:01   that you would otherwise use a simple spreadsheet for a call me figure out you [TS]

01:01:05   know what my s3 costs are going to be this month my bandwidth like I just you [TS]

01:01:09   saw it so it's just so perfect for this so anyway [TS]

01:01:13   25 bucks for iPad it's three bucks for iPhone I even use it going on that I [TS]

01:01:18   even use it as a like a scoreboard when I'm playing games in real life like if [TS]

01:01:23   you're playing like 500 rummy with people planning kinda like table game [TS]

01:01:27   it's only keep score between rounds I taking this offer every person will have [TS]

01:01:31   a line label but their initials or name and I'll just do score + and every [TS]

01:01:36   single time those around [TS]

01:01:37   one of their name you can always see you can only see what everyones total is [TS]

01:01:41   what each round was before that there's just so many uses for this app I use it [TS]

01:01:45   constantly go get silver please for the love of all that is good girl gets over [TS]

01:01:50   it is that good you need you need this app it's by qualia and its I'm going to [TS]

01:01:55   try to spell it put in the show notes it so quickly I dot com slash silver sou [TS]

01:01:59   lber or find it in the Mac App Store or the iOS App Store thanks to solver for [TS]

01:02:04   sponsor so not to pile on at all but I solvers over whatever it's called is one [TS]

01:02:10   of the few apps that I triple dipped in other words I'd to pay on all three [TS]

01:02:15   platforms and I didn't feel bad about it because it really is that good and the [TS]

01:02:19   other thing that I wanted to point out is that you know how a lot of people [TS]

01:02:23   ourselves included have complained and moaned about how when you're building a [TS]

01:02:26   calculator app for a computer you don't really in market you wrote a post about [TS]

01:02:31   this I think you don't want to be encumbered by what's what what physical [TS]

01:02:36   and solvers over whatever is a great midway between a spreadsheet and a [TS]

01:02:42   calculator and they were able to do that because they trucked out all the Crofton [TS]

01:02:45   old stuff from the physical world and just made something that's really great [TS]

01:02:49   to Computerworld now that I think of it I just totally stole a blog post in my [TS]

01:02:53   blog post but yeah you know it's like i believe i believe i called overdoing the [TS]

01:02:56   interface metaphor and the idea if this is like back before most secure more [TS]

01:03:00   debates but the idea was like you know if you make it clear you don't want to [TS]

01:03:04   bring over like a big rid of buttons that you have to click on and then won a [TS]

01:03:08   single line display like that stupid computers can do so much more than that [TS]

01:03:13   and if you could let them know and so solver is it's a calculator app that was [TS]

01:03:19   clearly designed for computers and not designed to try to mimic what old [TS]

01:03:24   calculators used to be it was designed for what computers can actually do and [TS]

01:03:27   do well and you know it's also it's a it's a document based app on the Mac [TS]

01:03:33   and I don't know if the iOS versions are documented I'm pretty sure they are and [TS]

01:03:39   what that means is on the mag yet all of the line and bottom line you know [TS]

01:03:43   autosave inversion support and use iCloud to sync everything and it [TS]

01:03:47   actually works to my laptop my computer it's great really it's just a fantastic [TS]

01:03:53   app and and and I and the guys even told me that you can probably sell out there [TS]

01:03:58   on the weekend I i've basically devoted every chance I get over the last few [TS]

01:04:03   years to talk about as a devoted to trying to convince the world please for [TS]

01:04:07   the love of God just use this app it trust me it is that good and I mean even [TS]

01:04:11   like when when the Mac App Store came out I bought it even already owned it I [TS]

01:04:16   bought the Mac App Store adjust to a give them more money and be have a quick [TS]

01:04:19   way to install after any reinstall or any other computer that I own it it [TS]

01:04:24   really is that good I can pick you guys that long for the skewered to come up [TS]

01:04:28   with you know the calculator to see you more than as this is to the opposite of [TS]

01:04:35   that yet it also because I pronounce itself her like that better [TS]

01:04:40   the other thing is that the reason I use this app all the time and I still as I [TS]

01:04:45   actually use the dashboard widget of another like [TS]

01:04:48   occasionally but I also have solver open ultimately I just could have her [TS]

01:04:52   launching Skype because I want to free up some memories make sure escapist [TS]

01:04:56   feel-good is that this thing also does the stuff that you might find yourself [TS]

01:05:00   typing into Google for and I use it to do math in a lazy way like i right [TS]

01:05:05   27 as a percentage of 359 right back into solving it gives you the answer you [TS]

01:05:11   could do that math yourself we all know basic algebra you can do division [TS]

01:05:13   multiplication figure it out but the division wrong with that I put the the [TS]

01:05:18   wrong thing at the right place whatever you can do [TS]

01:05:20   5300 bites squared in kilobytes and it will do the convergence for you and give [TS]

01:05:25   you don't like black the thing I like about it is that you can write in a sink [TS]

01:05:32   single English sentence that expresses what you wanna know it will just give [TS]

01:05:36   you the answer of it [TS]

01:05:37   and I find it faster to go to solve them to go to search box and type these [TS]

01:05:41   things it's a native app it's all right there it's all running already and it's [TS]

01:05:44   it's just a text box is great and i think is the one apple iphone auto save [TS]

01:05:49   the most satisfying because I before autosave I didn't like the fact that I [TS]

01:05:53   had too little modified died and I would quit asked me to save and I was like [TS]

01:05:56   just to save everything all time I know it does it's fantastic really I mean [TS]

01:06:01   it's it's hard to describe how good it is in just one at-bat which is why this [TS]

01:06:05   is taking so long but believe me you gotta you gotta try this admits it's so [TS]

01:06:09   good of the people who develop its really nice guys have talked to them a [TS]

01:06:12   lot over the last five years or so and you just want to support that end and [TS]

01:06:18   they they're always putting updates to to fix any problems come up on sleep [TS]

01:06:22   I've really ever seen a problem I mean it's it's just so good it's one of those [TS]

01:06:26   apps that you know it's it's like like your text editor of choice is absolute [TS]

01:06:30   you can look at whatever you spent on this and say I have a distance help me [TS]

01:06:34   make so much more money than whatever it costs like it this is so worth the [TS]

01:06:38   minimum price I paid for it once years ago because it just it's that important [TS]

01:06:43   to what I do it so let us continue to talk about this fantastic app the rest [TS]

01:06:50   of the show in terms of timely topics the only one I've got left is to be a [TS]

01:06:55   BDC but I haven't had a proper think about what predictions I wanna be wrong [TS]

01:06:59   about so is there anything that you too wanted to bring up that's coming up yeah [TS]

01:07:06   we've only got next week should be our predictions show but I didn't want to do [TS]

01:07:11   that today but can if we have to and I and I'll be even more wrong if we do it [TS]

01:07:14   today I don't know if I'm ready but especially to the predictions show right [TS]

01:07:18   before it is it then we have the highest chance of being right [TS]

01:07:22   cheating to wait for all the while honestly do you think and if you win [TS]

01:07:27   this week and next week with putting up but our knowledge of it might be [TS]

01:07:31   something like all the obvious things that are like in the invitation but the [TS]

01:07:35   new version of Iowa smugglers den who has great you know like but we wanna [TS]

01:07:40   know what else is there anything else like what are the features 27 screenshot [TS]

01:07:46   somewhere you know some blurry [TS]

01:07:48   image of has done notebooks yeah it is an hour that is gonna be announced [TS]

01:07:53   they're going to have a little new bad yet we walk out of the macros did not [TS]

01:07:58   important but those details will be clear by next week as well [TS]

01:08:06   MacBook Pro updates with Jenna would at least mention but at least want like a [TS]

01:08:09   late slide Phil Schiller mention ya know what I mean like they spent a lot of [TS]

01:08:15   time on the new revenues last year and granted that was like oh it's the first [TS]

01:08:18   Briton but certainly it's worth something [TS]

01:08:21   some slides showing how much faster and lower power there another great update [TS]

01:08:26   to our notebook line had a large macros hardware they can be in the clear [TS]

01:08:32   acrylic tube outside and you know they just bought an old Mac Pro in there and [TS]

01:08:38   say we've got around it you know they should do they stick it on Mac Pro and [TS]

01:08:42   slap a new sticker on the side here that I think I I think we're gonna I guess is [TS]

01:08:49   becoming predictions anyway I think we're gonna see is mostly the focusing [TS]

01:08:54   on iOS 7 but I'm actually really curious to see what we learn about Mac OS 10.9 [TS]

01:09:01   if they keep with their pattern of cab modifier cat this is this comes up as [TS]

01:09:06   cat again then 44 releases a lot of fat cat and so either the democrats or ever [TS]

01:09:18   got out of a new can I have been since since like last year for a long time [TS]

01:09:23   like I have class to give a name for the thing I put in my notes and mine is [TS]

01:09:29   called links LyX not that I think that's what the cat name is going to be but [TS]

01:09:33   when I asked my brain well brain you have to type in something else to be a [TS]

01:09:36   placeholder for 10.9 and I don't want to write 10.9 I wrote in links cause I [TS]

01:09:40   can't think of another castellanos of BST the cat names are done which I'm [TS]

01:09:45   perfectly fine with good can happen and I'm all for horror my brain says links [TS]

01:09:50   so I have no idea what they're gonna have heard nothing but what's the [TS]

01:09:54   modifier gonna be there [TS]

01:09:56   graphical links no links to this is another reason that links won't be the [TS]

01:10:06   name right but I'm happy to be done with cats will do you think there may be a [TS]

01:10:11   ten-point ends maybe they won't be a modifier cafe this will change the [TS]

01:10:15   naming convention [TS]

01:10:17   point I think they'll do well I think like to go to something where you like [TS]

01:10:25   all this is not ten it's like this one goes to 11 likely ever you want to do [TS]

01:10:28   some sort of thing like that you can't just do that as a marketing push there [TS]

01:10:32   has to be something to go along that I don't see any kind of change that's that [TS]

01:10:35   radical in the ten point in time for like 10 point 10 should be the modifier [TS]

01:10:42   can release of whatever the hell they have cooked up for this thing but put [TS]

01:10:45   out something for release is definitely a pattern but they break the bottom of [TS]

01:10:49   that if you like it so yeah I mean obviously for obvious reasons I'm very [TS]

01:10:53   interested in what's going on there and I'm less interested in what's going on [TS]

01:10:55   and I was and I'm sure I will be by far the more dominant focus on the news and [TS]

01:11:00   I'm not expecting anything earth-shattering out of 10.9 but the [TS]

01:11:03   question is what the hell is yeah that's like I'm really curious to see like what [TS]

01:11:07   in the name of course which is very interesting but but what if they like [TS]

01:11:12   what will 10.9 be 4444 marketing first of all a global market about the [TS]

01:11:17   features of it and then you know but there be anything interesting for [TS]

01:11:20   developers will there be substantial improvements to the core in any in any [TS]

01:11:25   significant way like you know what what is there to do and it's only been a year [TS]

01:11:28   since mountain lion so you know now they're on the shorter cycle so is not [TS]

01:11:32   gonna be like it's not going to be a massive rewrite of anything well this [TS]

01:11:36   plenty to do but it might be most interesting question is given how much [TS]

01:11:40   attention [TS]

01:11:42   wants to focus on what they can't do everything what things that they [TS]

01:11:46   prioritize you know like is that will sort of give you an idea of what they [TS]

01:11:50   feel is important to do they just do things that they would have had to do [TS]

01:11:53   anyway because they're changes to the car as the benefit most most of us is [TS]

01:11:56   like you know with my mouth line they almost entirely focused on things that [TS]

01:12:03   bring together the mental space [TS]

01:12:06   of the Mac and iOS in terms of making the application look a certain way about [TS]

01:12:10   iCloud integration like trying to make it so hey you've use your iPhone or iPad [TS]

01:12:15   this Mac is not all that different take a look look at the Contacts app see how [TS]

01:12:20   it's kind of the same stuff like that [TS]

01:12:21   autosave hate onto savings on iOS and to varying degrees of success but that was [TS]

01:12:26   where they are putting their energy and they weren't for example putting it into [TS]

01:12:28   a new file system or make him the USPS to improving the virtual memory system [TS]

01:12:35   changing out the kernel to like all sorts of nitty-gritty things that we [TS]

01:12:39   totally interesting to someone like me but that's not getting any bank for the [TS]

01:12:43   bucket at like don't spend all your time working on that instead spending time [TS]

01:12:47   with his other areas so they did that with Lyon and they start of repented a [TS]

01:12:52   little bit mountain lion to say where they had overreached and sort of shore [TS]

01:12:56   things up then put a third panel into the stupid book metaphor app like well a [TS]

01:12:59   book and have three parts rain but then one of them has to be half no one has to [TS]

01:13:04   be twenty-five 25 percent in any way do they keep doing that [TS]

01:13:10   where do they constitute a new area this time and like fusion drive would have [TS]

01:13:14   been an obvious thing that they are to be released at like fusion drive misty [TS]

01:13:18   mountain lion I feel like they wanted to get into that screw driver it's not at i [TS]

01:13:24   doing I was really just appear suddenly with some new iMacs and stuff that was [TS]

01:13:27   also a good way to sell hardware [TS]

01:13:29   you know like like the way Syria was tied to the fore s you know that was a [TS]

01:13:33   good way to say even though you can create it now on the command line nobody [TS]

01:13:39   really knows that there's no reason just utility and no one's doing it really [TS]

01:13:43   except like super nerds like it for the most part like if you want the [TS]

01:13:46   combination of a very high speed and very high capacity you must buy a new [TS]

01:13:50   iMac Mac Mini well I know I give them a pass on that because unlike the serious [TS]

01:13:57   thing anything having to do with with low-level disk drive crap is really [TS]

01:14:02   sensitive to the specific mechanism [TS]

01:14:04   you know drivers and everything involved there to the point where I really [TS]

01:14:07   believe that basically it's not that it won't work it's just that they didn't [TS]

01:14:11   keep it in any configuration like the only had time and you know they like you [TS]

01:14:15   aided in a specific configurations and it probably will work perfectly fine and [TS]

01:14:18   tons of other configurations like one of your SSD [TS]

01:14:21   does it doesn't support TRIM command has some other feature or end up trying to [TS]

01:14:26   some pathological cases they never tested for whatever so I don't I don't [TS]

01:14:30   blame them for being super conservative with the supported hardware there but [TS]

01:14:33   like they didn't hold it for the next release because they have the hardware [TS]

01:14:36   they want to ship they just didn't make that didn't make the OS that they wanted [TS]

01:14:40   to make in the WBC session they hinted that there was a thing that they would [TS]

01:14:44   like to talk about but can't and I was fusion drive right like it just missed [TS]

01:14:48   the release like I didn't it didn't get on the boat for that one and so they put [TS]

01:14:51   out a release but fusion drive would be an awesome 10.9 features they had an [TS]

01:14:55   outside NBC was like wow this is great features fusion drive but now that's [TS]

01:15:01   kind of spoiled but it already being out there I mean I'm sure the sessions on in [TS]

01:15:05   the support for all be expanded and blah blah blah but I can take some of the [TS]

01:15:09   wind out of its Alan and I turn to you file system thing like probably not the [TS]

01:15:14   Syrian Arab knows well in actually just got me thinking there's still a fair [TS]

01:15:19   amount of Max that are not have platter drives right cause which mention the [TS]

01:15:24   drive which is half platter well maybe more than half platter and also an SSD [TS]

01:15:28   but the most of the lower end max MacBooks and MacBook Pros the [TS]

01:15:35   non-revenue ones anyway they all still have plateaued rise by default rate so [TS]

01:15:40   the reason I bring this up as I wonder if and i'm looking mostly to John for [TS]

01:15:45   your two cents on this I wonder if the Mac line switches can if it can let's [TS]

01:15:51   assume it can and if it switches to all flash hard drives would that lead to [TS]

01:15:56   ease your choices and either creating or picking a new file system whereas right [TS]

01:16:01   now that kinda got a leg in two very different worlds where you have to [TS]

01:16:05   support both the comparatively old them slow platters as well as this brand new [TS]

01:16:11   well reasonably knew I should say flash system so if if if everything was flash [TS]

01:16:18   and that's all we need to worry about would that be easier and a corollary to [TS]

01:16:23   that would be would would I West jump to a different file system before the [TS]

01:16:29   windows because everything I was / is not gonna jumped off / like they're [TS]

01:16:36   stuck with spending drives for the foreseeable future [TS]

01:16:39   i'm saying some podcast about what the next assuming there are some macros or [TS]

01:16:45   Mac Pro like machines or something whatever you know what I'm talking about [TS]

01:16:48   I thought that those will be fierce and driving you won't have a choice he won't [TS]

01:16:53   be able to get it not as fierce drive you won't be able to get it appear as [TS]

01:16:56   deep as this story is too small you won't be able to get it without an SSD [TS]

01:17:00   like you're getting fusion drive period because that is there that is their [TS]

01:17:03   medium-term solution for make it faster but also that people start their [TS]

01:17:08   gigantic libraries of stuff and that's why they made it [TS]

01:17:11   adding the new no flash vs spinning disk what that that split is going to force [TS]

01:17:18   them to do if they ever get off their butts is used some foreign aid of [TS]

01:17:22   storage on the flash like there are lots of other systems out there to do this [TS]

01:17:25   type of thing you don't you don't fall sensor designed for spinning things with [TS]

01:17:29   her particular behaviour of like access time and sequential accesses faster than [TS]

01:17:33   random and seeks really kill you and like the whole file system is laid out [TS]

01:17:36   in such a way to minimize those things are hopefully laid out in a way to [TS]

01:17:38   minimize and all those things are either the opposite or just completely moved on [TS]

01:17:43   SSDs because their performance characteristics are different like [TS]

01:17:46   random access versus sequential access becomes less meaningful when you've got [TS]

01:17:49   a bunch of chips that you're dressing but they have their own particular [TS]

01:17:52   quirks or whatever so a filesystem layer on top of that is almost like me there [TS]

01:17:57   are lots of possums purpose Taylor 22 flash or whatever but Apple's the kind [TS]

01:18:01   of company who could use just you know raw access to them and I mean [TS]

01:18:06   particularly iOS devices like why not like everything is everything is already [TS]

01:18:09   there you still have to pry the same interface to be applications that the [TS]

01:18:12   complication for them but if they want to extract the maximum performance [TS]

01:18:16   lowest overhead from flash you don't need to go with the file system not only [TS]

01:18:20   just a thousand the misunderstanding dispute what we think of US four million [TS]

01:18:24   houses now you just need to continue to provide the same interface you know the [TS]

01:18:28   same driver interface to the higher levels of the OSI looks like a look at [TS]

01:18:32   it because all the FBI's expected like that but under the covers doesn't have [TS]

01:18:36   to be right so I think they probably won't even do that but you know the [TS]

01:18:44   reasons I think they have little to do with spinning disco / has to do with the [TS]

01:18:48   fact that each of us is really old and crappy in all the ways that I've listed [TS]

01:18:51   in my various articles complaining about this and if they come up with a new one [TS]

01:18:56   I don't think it will matter that its 200% Taylor 2 SSDs it'll be fine [TS]

01:19:02   like end up on the spinning disks and the probably also put it on the SSDs are [TS]

01:19:06   used for storage to make fusion drive out of them and hopefully we'll be happy [TS]

01:19:14   will find that not like you're not worried about staying to just use flash [TS]

01:19:22   but this is not here like the only the only market can get the big big money in [TS]

01:19:27   that one can hold as well as your iPhone I would like to 60 gigs or something and [TS]

01:19:32   actually does hold almost everything I have I don't like this I mean it's not [TS]

01:19:36   that's not an average person easily have my I feel terabyte drive usually I can't [TS]

01:19:42   my next computer cannot have a terabyte drives this man drugs that won't be big [TS]

01:19:45   enough right cause I just I'm not using them that much stuff it's just people [TS]

01:19:52   still can't afford a terrible tease and they won't be able to next year in there [TS]

01:19:56   are probably a few extra so for a long time we're gonna try to keep getting [TS]

01:20:01   bigger too and fusion drive by all accounts is amazing in terms of how it [TS]

01:20:06   makes it feel like it really is just an SSD but you still get all that storage [TS]

01:20:09   because people use his parents really are you know you do just had a small set [TS]

01:20:14   of files over and over again that's why I wonder if you know with Fusion Drive I [TS]

01:20:19   believe the one ship them externally 128 gigs right down the St portion yeah like [TS]

01:20:24   this and and and the point is like a four gig right before and then the rest [TS]

01:20:30   of it is roughly a hundred and twenty days worth of frequently accessed files [TS]

01:20:35   or access block storage [TS]

01:20:37   and you know if he if you think there's really not that much reason why they [TS]

01:20:43   couldn't also build that into a lot of laptops except costs and if the problem [TS]

01:20:49   is you know the retinas are already high priced items are already off / the [TS]

01:20:53   retinas the spinning is not coming back to the but they could get a little bit [TS]

01:20:58   more life and nice performance boost if they would build in a little tiny 128 [TS]

01:21:04   gig module into the non retina laptops that still exists the air would need [TS]

01:21:09   them so i guess im talk myself out of this is the air with there's already [TS]

01:21:13   other ones are all to see if they can if they can afford them are just it's just [TS]

01:21:22   the i mean they're all test applies finally got the iMac that's like why [TS]

01:21:26   would you even by big hunger thing on disk if it doesn't come with like a [TS]

01:21:29   terabyte of storage is like what I just get an errand hooking up to display [TS]

01:21:34   whatever and is the many would stop spending but also without and SSD in the [TS]

01:21:38   standings will probably go way to like it's really just a macro because like [TS]

01:21:41   you know the Big Basin you can put the big drives for people who have huge [TS]

01:21:47   amounts of data SSDs are still way too expensive for that and the spending just [TS]

01:21:53   keep getting bigger and cheaper and it's like what you're leaving money on the [TS]

01:21:56   table if you don't have a solution to let people take advantage of the cheap [TS]

01:22:00   storage solutions there waiting for them so they're they're going to use its [TS]

01:22:03   medium-term it's not it's not going to go away today if I'm going tomorrow it [TS]

01:22:07   will go away once you know once SSDs get big enough and cheap enough to serve as [TS]

01:22:14   the one and only complete main drive for a normal person as long as the size of [TS]

01:22:20   the pictures were taken with the cameras don't scale for the same rate that this [TS]

01:22:25   is a story all right with that let's wrap it up some good alright thanks a [TS]

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01:22:59   guys now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental was accidental [TS]

01:23:14   Casey [TS]

01:23:17   it was accidental and you can show me know and I'll says that's Casey list and [TS]

01:23:39   Markel [TS]

01:24:00   yeah I agree and also I should add that graphic graphically I was the only [TS]

01:24:14   person who got that links I know it doesn't but I was built and installed [TS]

01:24:23   and I'm pissed when it doesn't come in like now they do not like you build it [TS]

01:24:27   yourself and doesn't come with SSL support and nothing W get now is cranky [TS]

01:24:33   about a cell certificates in the past like no significant challenge I know one [TS]

01:24:39   of the things like solver like when you get a new Mac I installed quick so [TS]

01:24:42   versatile of all the apps I need BBEdit and I also go in and stole W get Mikes [TS]

01:24:47   seriously who likes car like you have to you have to pass the capital o option to [TS]

01:24:56   do the one thing that's the common case like what good are the girls the false [TS]

01:25:00   just spewed the standard out that's terrible to fall so I installed W W at [TS]

01:25:05   the Curragh mine is capitulo but there is a show by taxpayers like everyone's [TS]

01:25:14   like stuck with Marco stuck the text me because this is what I got used to [TS]

01:25:17   writing you can never leave it's only like 70 years old still using text me [TS]

01:25:21   too and everyone else's you know it'll still be enough narrowly other neural [TS]

01:25:27   interface it's something like UNIX shell swear like I know so many people myself [TS]

01:25:31   included with whatever they like [TS]

01:25:33   learned when they first learn UNIX they've never leave it and it's carried [TS]

01:25:36   around with him forever hi I live in fear of a day of nothing to come the TSA [TS]

01:25:40   just my child because that's what I was a big one in 1993 it's like once you [TS]

01:25:46   learn what it's not is not really enough benefit to learn any other ones to make [TS]

01:25:50   it worth the learning curve but you know the one used keeps working very similar [TS]

01:25:56   abilities though it you know it's not like there's like a massive reason to [TS]

01:25:59   switch well as he's better sucks but you know [TS]

01:26:02   I think of changing like the SHR one of the like the super fancy modern like the [TS]

01:26:08   killing of hipster shells not really pisses in existence but they do have [TS]

01:26:14   lots of really making features but then I just think about the amount of time I [TS]

01:26:17   had to spend to recreate my preferred key bindings and environment so you know [TS]

01:26:22   but like to the past but seven years maybe ten years it work I have been I'm [TS]

01:26:31   always the only guy who does his best because like all the people who grew up [TS]

01:26:34   in the next generation like bashers the fault and they'll to smash and some [TS]

01:26:39   people on my show prompting you know they just export whenever you have [TS]

01:26:47   something different like that's not gonna work what are you doing what is [TS]

01:26:49   typing into my entire office like [TS]

01:26:57   protest plans or for putting instructions upper whatever I have to [TS]

01:27:02   translate everything everything too bad because I can't make it to the people [TS]

01:27:06   who don't really know you're next [TS]

01:27:07   you know I can't just tell them what to do I have to type out the exact command [TS]

01:27:10   and then I have to like start a little bag and one of my windows like just make [TS]

01:27:13   sure nothing type of stuff like that so it's like I'm speaking a foreign [TS]

01:27:17   language in the midst of all the people you know you could just convert to bash [TS]

01:27:21   that's terrible that the only reason to use bad because no one should ever do [TS]

01:27:28   any shell programming in C Si two TDs but why would have to shell programming [TS]

01:27:33   we are doing the show is it bad I presidency this one are still alive but [TS]

01:27:39   is it bad that I'm almost enjoying this part of the show more than the axles [TS]

01:27:43   this is all going in I hope that this topic for an actual show me things are [TS]

01:27:51   now down just yelling things [TS]