The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► 20 the accident car podcast four-minute sure pretty please [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► we had a big week last week is a good week it was it was a huge week for for [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► everybody for the show more John Siracusa for everybody who matters it [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► was a big week it was aight I had such a great time at WBC and i know i speak for [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► both you guys and saying that any was especially peculiar for me having kind [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► of been that guy that hangs out with Marco and John for the last couple of [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► years and now getting recognized occasionally it was the trickiest most [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► flattering and an awesome thing that I don't even know what to make of it I'm [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► still at processing yeah I told you that would happen when we started this [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► podcast has told Casey look just so you know if you're on a podcast and people [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► listen to it next year at WTC everyone is going to know who you are and sure [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► enough that's exactly what happened people are coming up you know John and I [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► you know people people have known who we were at the BBC for a few years a little [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► bit but Casey oh my god he was the star everyone I love you on the show everyone [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► was so thrilled nobody give a crap about us ever was so thrilled to meet Casey [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► list that is a very flattering boldface lie but there everyone is excited but I [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► think it was like Oh your case America and your jonbenet was extremely [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► flattering and and many thanks for everyone who who had the guts to say hi [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► I know we talked about it a couple days ago but it was still it was still [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► extremely cool to to meet all of these people that I perhaps would have had the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► opportunity to meet other wise cuz we would have both been just faces in the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► crowd so many thanks for all you guys and gals that said hi and had nice [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► things to say no less we only had a couple complained verbal complaints [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► about neutral not consider that a moral victory I was impressed with anybody [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► actually listen to neutral who come to us that at that time and we did have a [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► few fans who really wanted to spring back yeah which which was also weird and [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► the quickest I drove in three today it which generation was that ninety nice [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► alright yeah it was it was really cool it was like my car + 10 15% it was fun [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► new podcast by car sometime maybe I think anyone like that he'll now getting [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► better pricing on the m3 is not your car + 15% it's not it's not but in the [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► ballpark 3 these days I think a well-equipped wanna something like [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► seventy or eighty right I mean I think it's likely the Seven News I don't know [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► I never and I mean my car my car + 15% have been out now you're right my car + [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► 15% was not even your seventy [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► talk about nerd nerdy stuff that's not cars what did you guys think it wud say [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► let's start with mister Siracusa [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► about this last time well be about a lot has happened since then ok fine we can [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► we can ignore things in the notes the notes the actual market and largely [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► ignoring the notes but I do have them up so with that in mind how we've never [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► chrome up and you don't have your chrome jail John would you like to talk about [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► any of the Metro details we've learned a little little macro follow up so we [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► talked about it at length on the last show and their two things that I want [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► talk about the first one is about this article I wrote a while ago called the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► case for a true Mac Pro successor and there was me arguing the point before we [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► knew what the fate of the Mac Pro was that Apple should continue to push the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► envelope and desktop computer performance for all the same reasons [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that car manufacturers make these ridiculous cars that nobody by that are [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that are not practical and their costs way too much money and they lose money [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► for the company's all because they want to push the limits of our technology [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► performance and in the end [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► deep deep down because the people who work at those companies love cars and [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that's why I make you know supercars are hello Karzai called them and so when the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► new Mac Pro was announced last week I thought I had addressed this unless we [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► show but apparently not clearly enough to last me so is this is this a true [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► macro successor [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► does this could meet the criteria laid out in the case for a dramatic person [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► says there are you still disappointed in the fact that last time I was saying how [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► this doesn't quite look like it's a machine for me so on and so forth people [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► like oh I don't see how this isn't a true Mac processor as well so to be [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► clear and spell it out yes this is definitely a true Mac Pro successor it [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► completely fits the mold of you know the supercar type things it's it's [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► ridiculous it's crazy it does not look like a normal computer we don't know the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► price yet but I assume it's going to be really expensive certainly more [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► expensive than the other things there it has compromises that most people [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wouldn't you know expect like the dual GPU that are going to big honkin GPUs [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► that maybe everybody doesn't need but at the same time it doesn't have any [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► internal spinning disk storage but it's kind of like a super car that has like [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► 900 horsepower but a truck that fits one little tiny bag and it right and I'm [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hoping I'm assuming Apple hopes that they sell way more pros than people sell [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► their top and supercars but this computer despite or perhaps because of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the fact that it doesn't satisfy all the practical needs of various provision [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► stuff definitely fits the bill so despite the fact that I was disappointed [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► in the last week for various personal reasons as I thought I expressing last [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► show i'm i'm happy that Apple continues to innovate use [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► shelters part in this area and to continue to chase the high and the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► second thing about the Mac Pro is that my opinion of it has softened a little [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► bit from my own personal use since last week's episode and it since then I've [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► learned our backs have been reminded I should have no I didn't think of this [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► last week that the gaming performance thing that this really been holding back [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► to spend all this money on this machine and compromises with no internal storage [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and everything and I'm gonna get a machine that's not going to fill one of [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► my main criteria which is to be able to play PC Mac games really really well [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► because it's got these pro GB using them and to people who aren't familiar with [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► that the market or maybe people who are familiar with and I was that sounds [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► crazy but like all these are super high and GPUs is not great for gaming [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► gonna be you know like they're just like $2000 GPUs and shouldn't you be awesome [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► game performance on this and if you look at like Windows benchmarks and stuff for [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► his pro GPUs are you feel like adding 3d programs and they test Windows games on [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the gaming performance issue appears this terrible news how can I spend $1500 [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► on a video card and get terrible game performance and the answer is that the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► drivers the drivers are made to run or AutoCAD or whatever other programs and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the figures for professional design and those programs demand precision and [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► repeatability and reliability they don't demand all in all sorts of the [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► performance tricks the game GPUs you so you'll see a GPA of the cost three times [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► as much as another one not promise wanna game and on the PC side on Windows you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► when you buy one of those high and GPUs you get the special you know certified [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► OpenGL drivers to be used with whatever software you bought it works and when [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► you buy just like a gaming video card even a super high ranking you got a [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► totally different driver and that one is optimized to make sure you get really [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► high frame rates in Crysis 3 or whatever because they too in the driver for that [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► cheating is a und OpenGL spectra says response to do this and that in terms of [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► like line precision NDLEA saying or what [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► occlusion or whatever but we found that in this game we can detect when this [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► game is running that some of the old days they would detect which specific [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► game is running in and perform some opposition to the new wouldn't cause any [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► noticeable graphical glitch in that game just to get more performance out of it [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► and that's why I was disappointed all-pro GPUs that means crappy game [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► performance like the worst of both worlds expensive video hardware in [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► crappy game performance but on the Mac that is not the case I'm going back [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► historically Apple has shipped that use the same driver for the pro cards and a [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► non-pro cards and in the past that's meant that Apple's game performance [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► sucked equally across all the GPUs because they always optimize the drivers [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► for correctness there it's ok let's do exactly what they open just access and [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► correct mister I'm worried about speed later all tied to read it and so on so [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► forth but over the past summer releases starting at 10.7 Apple has really tuned [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► their video drivers to actually a decent performance out of games for working [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► with companies like valve and stuff to do all those cheeky little things you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► can do to make it performs better but at the same time those same drivers were [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► also driving their high-end cars so it's my expectation when I get this new Mac [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► Pro which i think im going to get now it's going to use the exact same drivers [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► as a macro that had a high-end Radeon like a previous generation macro like [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► it's not going to be a special slow down [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► high-precision driver just these things are going to use the exact same drivers [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► again video card with you and that means it should have pretty darn good game for [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► me at least as good as you know as it would have had a big game car now [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► doesn't quite help me that much unless Apple also the drivers boot camp so that [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► if I reboot into Windows I don't want to be forced to use like the windows slow [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► drivers from this project or whatever but just having to use a Mac gaming [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► performance on the thing that makes me feel better so I i think im definitely [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► getting one of these genes now I have to ask for your priorities as you know high [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► performance but also significant gaming now that we know what the compromises [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► are for the next Mac Pro least we know we know most of them I think why not a [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► high-end iMac [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► video cards on those things are there not desktop some of them might be his [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► laptop GPUs but now they are actually pretty good these days I mean it's not [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► like a $400 desktop card but could there not powerful and they're not replaceable [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► so I couldn't even upgrade them down at the gym user in the neck profile by many [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► ways but with the with the very fastest GPU the senate so that I can use it for [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► five years or whatever and at the end of his five years or so because like I [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► bought the highest and non pro video card that I can get with my current Mac [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► Pro and to this day I can still play modern games on it the full resolution [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► of ice cream with the settings are normally given up on high [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► so I just wanna get mileage of the card you know and that would be the energy [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► tea yeah but think of it game-by-game a reason why I'm the wrong person to ask [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► but I am I'm surprised that he is now like what five years old I'm I'm [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► surprised given the pace of a video card innovation I'm surprised that you can [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► still do that with a five-year-old I can't play the very latest games I'm not [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► playing the very latest on portal 2 came out I could play it just find full frame [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► rate for resolution anti-aliasing everything alright and that was only a [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► couple of years ago the most recent game I played was walking dead which is not a [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► graphically intensive game but it ran fine Diablo 3 when I came out ran fine I [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► mean this is all going to be impaired by what I hope will be my retina screen [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► online night bro right so than that video card maybe won't last quite as [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► long because I don't know how many games will take advantage of their writing a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► resolution going forward but that's what I want to especially in a machine where [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► it's not replaceable I get the most mileage so wouldn't want to buy [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► something that's you know ok performance like tommy said anything about is gonna [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► be 500 duty right but I wouldn't want to buy an iMac with a sort of mediocre [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► desktop GPU is not too much of the year ended last me three or four years and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► then you know I would have to not play PC games anymore think about upgrading [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► its in a special counsel a bar in IMAX screen over the last 35 years easy [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► because I would probably hold out for an iMac right and there would be like I [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► don't get rid of the screen the only things wrong with this machine is this [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► stupid GPU that I can't replace you know so better to get a machine where [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► everything is maxed out too ridiculous degree and then the whole machine will [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► age sort of together right so I had a thought about the displays and a lot of [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► the scuttlebutt aw BDC was Jesus didn't release and retina display for the Mac [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► Pro I mean they they made some hand wavy talk over this supports for k screens by [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► three of them in fact from a mistaken and but they never renounced an actual [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► Apple display and one of the things that occurred to me when the three of us for [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► dinner one night was if the Mac Pro is this black [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I believe its aluminum anodized aluminum whatever it is it's black so if they [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► release a Retina display of Apple releases a Retina Display is that also [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► going to be black in this is the first time that we have not aluminum coloured [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► aluminium aluminium devices from Apple that our computers I should say in a [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► long time that are injured iPods right right that displays are anti-black [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► though like the part you can see when you're sitting in front of the foot [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► Silverbell like they've already changed the surface of the things to be black [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► like the frame around this time not alter egos edge-to-edge alright well not [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► a mile high res MacBook Pros I mean your point is still like the external ones [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► they changed the extra monitors to be to be black when they're facing you with [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► exceptional the foot and I think that still matches with the black computer [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► you know I'm thinking I don't think that clashes I think that's their neutral [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► tones so I notice place then i dont no I mean they haven't decided what they can [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► do have decided pricing I mean well my theory is and I don't forget whether [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► such as last week or not that it's it's interesting that has well is out for [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► laptops but they only mention the MacBook Airs and the only updated [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► there's so much theory is sometime later this year in quotes probably alongside [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the Mac Pro launch they will potentially also launched new Retina MacBook Pros [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► with has well with the Honorable to and alongside those they will launch retina [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► displays and only then the new Mac Pro and the new house bill retina MacBook [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► Pros will be able to drive them to you know if that that's a possibility has [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► well and chipset support Thunderbolt to thunderbolts who from what I know which [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► you know I think the best person to ask you this would be an awesome p but I'm [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► sorry for the pronunciation if I got that wrong with you probably got at [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► least some part of it I believe that the Thunderball to chip or chipset or or [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► whatever it is that does it is separate from the main motherboard chipset ends [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► and then [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► can be installed or integrated into any modern Intel board I think says it does [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► I suppose that's enough to know the dates and that I remember vividly [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► remember the code names of the two different chipsets I think only member [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► of the not the current one but the next next 1000 region something but any right [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► to die think that's the next next one next one is something else Ridge anyway [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► that is a reasonable reason why they those things could have been delayed [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► that they're gonna run Thunderball too but it's a weird that they didn't get [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► any mention at all and end at those chips are ready like any other [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► explanation is maybe the Intel can deliver the CPUs in volume that that's [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► possible that's certainly a more boring explanation for for the delay doesn't [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► use the same thing that Google uses the ultra low-power directors big package [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► thing which is totally different and apparently is enough of those to say hey [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► the MacBook Air shipping today right and actually I would expect those would be [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► like the better be in part because those are the ones that can run at super low [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► voltages right I mean like you would think they can deliver those that can [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► probably deliver the big ones thanks I think the recall Thunderbolt to ship [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► that thing could be the delay our competitors have excess inventory of the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► retina MacBook Pros they want to get rid of her something or they're just holding [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► it back until they can launch the Mac Pro which is at least Q-three cause the [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► Mac Pro CPUs aren't out yet and so if they can do like a big bro lunch where [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► they they satisfy all the pros ones with a Mac Pro new Retina MacBook Pros and a [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► Retina display that would be a nice little event and you know maybe they [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► coincided with a minor update to you know final cut ten or something like [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► something like that it would it would make sense to to combine those timers [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► into you know stick to coalesce those times into one thing that holds at home [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► Mac Pro announcement was just really weird to me is acknowledged to be weird [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► in the Keno like we normally don't do this like you normally don't do this is [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► really off in the distance but we know that people are going to freak out if we [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► don't say anything about it you know it's it's almost as if like last year W [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► ABC they said I know you're awake for Mac Pro now [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and he hears these ones that aren't really that new but trust us next year [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► we'll have a good one like him in the kind of did that by having a public [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► statement or another public statement an email response from Tim Cook saying oh [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► yeah next year the nice but like renouncing products it's just crazy and [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► I guess that did it for damage control because they didn't we already come out [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► and that's why none of us expected impact on us when we were joking about [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► it feels like we knew it couldn't possibly be ready because we knew what [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► kind of CPUs it would have to use and those aren't ready to turn up those [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► aren't ready but what we're gonna show anyway here it is again but for a while [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► we won't even tell you monitor smartphone pricing but it's here it's [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► shaped like a garbage cans coming I think you could point to QRS in the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► chatroom said aperture for maybe something to consider here the new Mac [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► Pro has this pretty lopsided design where it has only one CPU socket so it [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► had it can get a good amount of CPU power in there but then it has this [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► insane amount of GPU power at the seams from from the word in their views and [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► and and what's on their site it seems as though the dual GPU setup is not [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► optional that it looks like all the Magpies will come with the same GPU set [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► up and if that's the case and I and obviously that's that's gonna have [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► potential cost implications but there is a really lopsided power balance of you [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► get some CPU power but you really want to buy this thing for the GPUs and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► what's interesting you know I see no I seen a few places report that only one [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► of the GPUs is going to be used to drive displays and that the other one is going [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► to be used exclusively for OpenCL type computations and so you're gonna have [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► this ridiculous amount of power that today only a few apps really make any [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► good use of right I mean I don't think it's very widely supported yet and so [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► maybe Apple's pro apps are gonna be substantially [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► shifted over to put a lot of work into OpenCL maybe you know more than they [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► already are and I think they're already doing some [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► a majority is the GPUs like crazy and it's not so much that one GB was [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► dedicated to OpenCL it's that only one GPU is connected up to the Thunderbolt [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► ports so what's it like this are both available for OpenCL like you could see [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► both of those GPUs is available as you know whenever they call them like you [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► know computing resources you see one G one CPU and GPU you can use both of the [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► missiles that only one of them is connected only one of them has placed [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► you can plug in a display so the other one is never going to drive a display [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► but even when one is driving display you could run OpenCL stuff on both of them [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► right okay and what's interesting about that is that now you have this this this [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► Mac Pro that for other reasons it probably is going to be a pretty bad [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► deal like it's probably not gonna be a great value for the fourth CPU [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► performance it's not going to be a great value for its RAM sealing the universe [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► all these different things you know I speak the same to cost like three or [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► four thousand bucks base and it but if they if if Pro users are using these [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► certain software packages that make really great use of OpenCL then this [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► machine is gonna pull away the entire rest of the Mac lineup is so much [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► well I think about what those people would have to pay before like that [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► during the lunchtime demo with your pics are up their program and saying how [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► great it was alright if he wanted to get the equivalent GPU power and another [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► machine like even to Sakura Mac Pro it would probably cost him the price of a [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► new Mac Pro just about the video cards because there's a ridiculous like $3500 [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► for the video card and that's that's nothing on the Mac Pro [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► I was thinking about pricing yet we do this at Dr wave this week where we both [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► came out of the market when I came out of the keynote we've all said like 2999 [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► mostar [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► $999 was our guest for the base price of thing but now I think I've changed and I [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► think they could hit 2504 the lowest I was saying that I think the way they [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► could do that is the AMD FirePro GP-one line comes in a lot of different sizes [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► and if they if Apple decides to offer anything other than the super duper high [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► and one that they could reduce the price lobby whenever [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► yeltsin there is relatively cheap like this not as many moving parts just one [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► Intel CPU with that cuts like 500 bucks off the price right there which is nice [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► I was gonna have a crazy margins and their stupid pci-express SSD thing I'm [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► sure whatever the RAM handling and if they can get you know the quote-unquote [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► crappy fire perot GPUs in there with much much less VRAM set of the maximum I [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► 26 gigs each sixties each success combined for 16 GB Hermes and again [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► gaming video cards this point have two gigabytes of urine like the most [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► expensive game cards of 60 each re no its not gonna ship with a base trim of [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the whole machine of 12 gigs like they're gonna have more RAM than the [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► main machine I think the basement be 16 gigs but anyway if they have a cheap out [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► on on the GPUs you couldn't they could have an entry level model that no one [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► wants to buy including me for a trial so it sounds like both both you guys are in [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► for one there are going to be one of every room in the house double as always [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► but I i think probably by one but I i'm not the big two questions about whether [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► the price is going to be and whether there'll be retina displays like if this [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► ends up being one of the only machines that can drive around the display and it [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► may be the only one that can do really well when when those eventually come out [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► then I'll by 10 question because I really want a desktop size retina [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► display and surely the only one that's gonna be able to play games plan know [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► how important it is to you I don't care about all I would feel kind of like an [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► idiot buying this computer that has these two ridiculous high-power GPUs and [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► using the most of the time to display like text made and perhaps that's your [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► Xcode as usual I'm doing on asked on Twitter today won't text editor [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► developers and the people who write Xcode now change their applications to [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► take advantage of those dual GPU yeah i cant im having trouble think he seems [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that kind of GPU power in your text either unless all the text was like made [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► 3d and flying through some kind of world as you type [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► the matrix text editor minority report says that all on the Mac Pro I guess for [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► now we really don't know much about it yet that's the big at the big thing [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► until we know pricing and options and and you know possibly read no question I [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► I think it's gonna be hard to make any other really great statements about it [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► just because we don't have it yet and there's so much we don't know there's [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► another piece of follow-up that I think mostly John want to talk about the maybe [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► we can do sponsors so Johnson about the new Xbox just came out today [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yeah this is the obvious joke sometimes you wonder like if if these stories [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► happen because there's a perfect name for it like he just couldn't couldn't [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► resist note the show note and the nine headlines Xbox moneyed which is the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► obvious deadline for the story that Microsoft has reversed its decision on [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► all of the DRM digital rights management used game always online things about the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► Xbox one that everyone hated and to sort of recap things that people hated where [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► the Xbox had the check in with Microsoft server is every 24 hours here like out [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► people hated that people who would like to military or people who are going to [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► be away from an internet connection for a long time even just people who didn't [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► like the idea of having to check in the fact that you couldn't sell games game [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► discs to people because the game disc was just a convenient way for you to get [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► the bits on your computer and all the rights of the game had to do with the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► DRM and so if you bought a game store and get the disc selling that distant [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► friend was pointless because if they put the disk into their machine would do [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► nothing for them because it was so you don't own this game because you don't [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► have the rights to it according to our service and game companies were allowed [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► to not allow the games to result even in digital form and so all these things [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► pissed off gamers and 83 Stony hammered them in their presentations and you know [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► their presentation was all about look at how much better we are the Microsoft and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► Sony was gonna like standing ovations for standard features of game consoles [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► for the past decade [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► like oh my god it's amazing I combined is going to star in the south to my [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► friend so Microsoft Word file again hammered like someone online poll Amazon [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► or some other site like hey guys who's thinking about getting one of the next [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► generation consoles through the just ps4 vs Xbox one biggest now with the Wii U [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► and normally those polls like on the dawn of a console generation launch are [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► always like 50 52 because all the fanboys from both of the council's go [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► there and they'll fill the ballot box and it's like you know pretty pretty [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► much that he and this was like not over 90% for the ps4 and like the rest of the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► Xbox one so it was like a blowout and that's it you know one random poll could [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► have been a bunch of Sony fans who knows but like you never say I've never seen [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► that all the console launches I've been through so things are looking bad for [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► Microsoft than what they did which was kind of gutsy but also kind of lame and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► weird or whatever just reversed everything it's a never never mind it's [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► exactly like the Xbox 360 go to store you buy discs and that's just like 36 [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► the end they also eliminated all the good features of the Xbox one where you [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► know everyone in your family can play the game for free even if they delivered [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you liked up to 10 people in your family could play the games have you bought it [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► then like your brother college automatically got the game for free you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► didn't have to buy to get you to have the shipping the discs and digital [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► downloads now it's just like the 360 where you can do this all download but [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► if you buy a physical disk this custody in the drive are you playing the game [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► which sucks and the stupid because what is this going to be there because they [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► just completely reversed everything they said I can do this late stage it seems [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► like all the deals involving publishers and all the software involved you know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► they're clearly reversing course and most people are happy about it but they [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► got rid of those online things you have to set up your Xbox one but after that [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► you can just be completely offline as long as the game you're using doesn't [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► have internet connectivity to run then you're fine so it's kind of a mixed bag [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► it's good in that they reverse their stupid decisions it's bad and they got [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► rid of all the things that might have been cool and I think it's bad like [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► long-term because I think I'm ready to rejoin talk about the Xbox one [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► everything they were doing it was done badly but in broad strokes the idea that [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► you don't own a physical disk instead your own rights to something online [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that's good for all the convenience reasons they just need to get the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► particulars of it right [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► like once the ones that's the case you can't you don't use that to then give [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► the publishers more power and forbid people from reselling games and [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► everything just make it instead you should say ok now it's even easier for [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you to sell the game dear friend so it through our online thing you know I [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► think you know bring the disc over to their house and you don't have to do any [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► those stuff and it's not tied to counter whatever you should be able to sell [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► games soyuz games resell them and let Microsoft take a little cut you know [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► we're not I think Apple has shown that people are not opposed to the idea that [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► sort of the the middleman get some small cut by perform providing the convenience [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► of buying and selling goods online so it's kind of a shame that we just kind [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► of hit the reset button because Microsoft policies were so boneheaded [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► but the overall idea that spinning plastic discs are stupid and should [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► really just be an accelerated way to download things for you and really the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► entire marketplace should be online in Apple's proven entire marketplace being [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► on for everything for their desktop operating system for the desktop [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► software for the NL software that model works people like it it's great and [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► Apple takes 30% Microsoft could take like five percent of used game sales and [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► gamers but still love them for the convenience of being with the one click [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► sell their game to a friend and get you know ten bucks back or whatever that's a [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► story I'm kind of sad about it I was interviewed by an Xbox one anyway it's [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► kind of sad to see Microsoft that kinda like that when really what they could [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► have done it just fixed everything except the good and the bad so thumbs up [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► on the sybian sounds like you were not pleased with this but you are pleased [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► with where it ended I it's better than what they had before when they had [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► before was just terrible policy that everyone he did they just throw out the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► baby with the bathwater you know I like I like them trying to make progress they [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► just went a little bit off in the wrong direction and their correction was [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► history eraser bun this never happened just behave like the Xbox 360 nevermind [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► guys [TS]

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00:31:46 ◼   ► weight has never had not one you know them from getting warmer southern with [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► each passing day it's not terrible it's just if we have someone to talk about I [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► was seven little bit and we have a couple of things in our in our [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► accidental show notes and i wanna go off the rails a little bit and I want to [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► actually go back to ATP EPS of one and the reason I wanna do that is because a [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► TV episode one before it was really a podcast at all was the three of us [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► talking about an iPhone + and we were talking about how one could extrapolate [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► and and theorize what size it would be whether or not it would exist etcetera [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► and one of the things that's been bugging me in a good way about what we [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► saw during the key know was that just yours are a big deal and I was seven and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► specifically there's a gesture to go back a screen in Iowa seven and there's [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► been a lot of talk about gestures and and I was 17 and the thing that struck [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► me about the gesture to go back to screen is if it's very easy kind of [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► system wide to go back one level it may not be so terrible to have a back button [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that at least for right handed people is too far away so in other words if you [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► look at the iPhone 5 foremost normal-sized people back button in [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► normal sized right-handed people to back button is way up and to the left in his [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► own little bit of a stretch to reach well what if you didn't have to reach [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► that anymore then could the phone would that be enough to make it not annoying [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► to have a bigger phone doesn't make sense [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► well first of all I think that you it sounds like you're saying that [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► right-handed people up to hold their phone in their right hand that's true [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and obviously well that was the assumption but you're on the road you do [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► that right and yeah I hope my phone right that's crazy I mean I don't have a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► phone but you know my ipod touch america and i think thats detail but I think [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► about the the slide open how do you do that with your left hand that's weird [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► much better when you're pulling your thumb towards then we are extending your [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► degree you as well I think what's interesting also and I don't know this [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► is this might I think I can safely say without violating the the NDA I don't [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► think anyone's gonna complain if I say that auto layout has been heavily [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► encouraged and so you look at a few things you look at that they're really [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► pushing you to use auto layout and they're the new design and iOS 7 even [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and the end of designs their kind of encouraging by example in the apps of [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► things like you know stripping away ornamentation and [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► big heavy texture and everything else the designs are probably pretty [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► stressful and more so than they used to be you know we're used to have it used [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► to be back before the iPhone 5 that you could design like the old gold tablets [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► apps before trip up it was like Convert button something that where you could [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► basically design a 320 by 480 screen and that was it that was your hole at you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► you could design this one big bitmap because you only had one screen size to [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► deal with and web development with tables when you think about the exact I [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► was seven is responsive design exactly like iOS 7 is like the the visual [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► souther going for her first F 15 2010 crap you know if your view is if you're [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► if your app is not just like a scrolling view with bars on top and bottom this is [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► gonna be non-trivial to do but now I think you know the encouragement to use [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► auto layout plus this bad gesture plus the whole style of iOS 7 being so [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► flexible I think more easily and and what you know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► breaking fewer things visually I think that all is is if not pointing to [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► different iPhone screen sizes I think it would at least pave the way to make that [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► a lot easier to do they chose to and you know reading the tea leaves little bit [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did a new iPhone this this fall that was [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► a maybe they do more than one but you know we talked before I think I think [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► they need a bigger screen iPhone because even though you know whatever whatever [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► Tim Cook says about the displays whatever whatever them up whenever [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► people who are Big Apple fans say about phone sizes [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► the fact is the market is demanding them significantly and Apple is losing a lot [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► of the high-end market which is the profitable market they're losing a lot [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► of the high-end market by not having a larger screen phone I saw a monstrous [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► phone today I'm assuming with Sam sign up [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► the hands of a young child and it just made a bigger was like comically I guess [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► I had to be one of the things but it was it was ridiculous like an iPad Mini and [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► there's a bunch of things I was seventh at that light itself to this deal does [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► that feel like a lock screen with the gesture for swiping where you don't have [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► to swim in particular reason you also have been aware the icons on the home [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► screen bigger so I mean anything by it [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► anything they make bigger like all this will look more normal a larger size even [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► in the navigation bar the the texts in the buttons that would say the word back [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► yet over the backbone that text is larger because i dont have borders [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► around and it's like anything that they make larger you think ok well when this [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► is a larger phone it will fit in better there it's not going to complete a [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► stream because they do have the adjustable text sizing that they should [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► hope so I just broke but whatever the adjustable text sizing doesn't actually [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► alter the size of things like navigation elements that would force people to use [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► our metrics are all I think permanent right but but but noted I said the [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► button text is better so they're trying to strike a balance that I want [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► everything to be bigger business will look around on the smaller phone I want [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► everything to scale because that will make after the nightmare but you know [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► combined with larger icons combine with bigger tax on the navigation but with [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the same now bar sizes and all that stuff it's like a man has been [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► discussing in the first couple of ATP we don't expect a humongous Lee bigger [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► phone just a little bit bigger and bigger in in two dimensions and so I [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► think I was seven is perfectly suited for an ever so slightly bigger iPhone [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that's both has a slightly higher resolution and also like a lower dots [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► per inch because then you could you know those two factors combine those two [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► relatively small factors combine give you a phone that is bigger than the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► iPhone 5 but it's not comically large friend and I you know before when we [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► were talking about this [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► whenever that was like five months ago or whatever that was I would you know I [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► had my theory about well they can keep the same resolution just make everything [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► a little bigger and ever will be fine with that [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► now I'm not so sure that's the case you know now I think you're right that they [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► could just increase resolution a little bit [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and and just you know make the panel you know get me give us you know what is now [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► four inches diagonal [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► give us maybe like a five-inch 144 even four and a half inch would look [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► substantially larger and and I think they could do that and and even just [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► stellar evolution of proportionally if they really want to and [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► I think now they're they're obviously preparing for non fixed resolution [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► iPhones if that makes sense or rather you know it from multiple sizes of [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► iPhones I i think that I think the pieces are in place now that you know [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► the tea leaves turn to line up to say this is probably where they're heading [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► and still doesn't quite address the issues we discussed that for themselves [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the reason he loves and red zone with larger screens it's not just that its [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► larger which i think is at least half of it but there's another part of it is [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► that Android phones when running on larger screen Android software running a [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► large screen phones put up more you I am in it like a man and a miniature version [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► of what I paid for the iPad version of got all the spacing of a totally [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► different you I was slightly bigger phone if it's bigger enough maybe you [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► have room for it to a bar before you didn't maybe have room for one more [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► toolbar button like there are things you can do to actually give you an [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► application that isn't doesn't just give you more viewable area for content which [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► is great and everything doesn't just have barter exercises in larger buttons [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► but also this is true for a little more information and maybe a feature that [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► didn't fit on the phone can fit there I don't know if Apple's full movie bigger [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► enough to even give you one more toolbar icons for the space or one more tool bar [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► word in the new world of Iowa somewhere like to use words sometimes that of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► icons but it's possible it's possible that applications like you got optimized [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► for iPad right in the centre totally different application basically under [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the covers it might be very similar but the UI can be very different and then [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► you have your iPhone 5 size version of it and then you have your iPhone 6 plus [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► or whatever when you get one more to borrow or you didn't have it or not you [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► do or you have another little road things on the right side or something [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► like that I would really be interested and that's the last piece of the puzzle [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► I don't think it's necessary I think simply making a larger screen is plenty [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► bigger resolution larger everything people still love that but if if it's [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► possible to optimize your app for the apps to do that to provide a little bit [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► more you I'm features I think that will be the icing on the cake and we'll see [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► what happens I just thought it was interesting that that all the signs are [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► pointing more towards yes and that gesture I don't know why but for me it [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► really made me think you know what this this iPhone plus whatever they're going [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► to call it that that really could be a thing [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► the other thing that's been yelling at me all week since I left the keynote was [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► there talk about iOS version adoption and the general gist of it is that ok [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► everyone upgrades to the latest version of iOS immediately you know of course [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► immediately is defined as a few weeks or whatever the case may be but it you [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► people upgrade to the latest version I was very quickly and that's generally [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► true especially on point releases but what occurred to me was I remember [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► reading david smith's I was version stats in seeing that adoption of iOS 6 [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► was not that quick at all because everyone's freaking out about Apple maps [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► well so that's that's actually not supported by the data that's a very very [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► common theory but like he was OK when holding back because they don't want iOS [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► 6 maps etc and then the theory was that once Google Maps app comes out then you [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► should see a big bump in six adoption and you didn't like there is almost no [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► change in the rate of adoption when when Google Maps app Google Maps Afghan out [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► for iOS and so it it looks like that probably was not the reason I mean for [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► me i think the biggest reason why I was 6 adoption you know it I think it [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► climbed at a relatively normal rate and then just kind of peaked at like 92 [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► whatever percent that it is now and if you look I was 5 adoption like I was for [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► adoption has shrunk proportionally as you'd expect I was 5 adoption is kind of [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► law and my theory there is all about the iPad one that you know granted apple has [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► sold a lot more devices that run everything else than the iPad 1 but [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► there still are a lot of iPad ones and use and the iPad one was sold until like [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► what two and a half years ago it wasn't it wasn't that long ago that it was [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► still sold and people were buying this like 500 + dollar computer type device [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► and so the end and it's not a contract not subsidized so they expected to last [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► more than two years [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► so there are still a lot of iPad ones and use the camera 906 and I don't know [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► you know how much of the percentage of people still on five that represents [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► probably not even the majority of it but I bet that's like a big solid chunk in [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► there that just is not going away anytime soon and you know what you're [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► probably right I just know whether or not it was dated back to nine maybe I [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► made that up but certainly anecdotally I know a lot of my mildly nerdy friends [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► had said oh I can't get that new Apple maps think it's it's terrible I won't [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► have it and either way I mean that I was trying to build up to the arts of the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► question that argument of what do we think about I was 7 adoption do we think [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► it'll be quick to think they'll be really really slow by comparison to [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► other versions of iOS my inclination is I feel like it will be kind of in the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► middle I think it which is of course the worst hedging ever but I really think [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► it'll be less quick then a lot of the less remarkable major releases but I [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► don't I think a lot of people are gonna really like it and I think that I think [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► it'll be alright but I'm curious to hear what you guys think you'll probably be [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► driven like a lot of these things are there they're driven and aided by the [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► fact that Apple continues to sell more and more phones now grab the growth rate [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► has leveled off a little bit but assuming I was 7 launches with a new [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► phone like the new phones gonna come at seven and people very quickly stopped [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► buying the old one and so you get this immediate boost from just like all the [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► the iPhone 5s or six or whatever that is especially if it's an iPhone 6 of it if [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► they don't do a 5s and it's actually a different form factor and it was like a [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► bigger one or something that will give Iowa seventy huge boost out of the gate [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► and skew the statistics but after the adoption will probably be about the same [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► as it was 46 if only because like that thing where they push the update tell [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► you I know I was gonna have automatic updates and same firm average and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► that rule drive adoption going forward even more but even just the current [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► model where they're like hey there's a new version of my restaurant upgrade and [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► people had a button and then it does it that's what's driving all this adoption [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it's like you know that jeff Atwood post from I guess years ago this point of the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► infinite version Google Chrome is the best one of the pioneers in this where [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you don't do anything you don't have to make any choices you use it and if you [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► don't if you don't know anything about if you use it and quit that program and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► relaunch it is updating itself unbeknownst to you like they'll put a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► little color arrow or whatever in the toolbar and if you notice that you can [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► never like it used to be more entries are now just like look we're gonna let [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► you go chrome there's nothing you can do about it i mean there is some way to [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► stop but the defaults are you gonna get updated version of go home you're using [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► who knows the latest and that is they know the idea that you don't have [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► versions of software that you get comfortable with like where you buy a [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► 2002 car sorry for the car if you want on your driving it was replaced with a [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► 2003 my bike but I like the 2002 Hyundai like the way the ship to work in the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► seat fabric was nicer in the radio controls are you just get used to when [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► you have a software in the past has been like that when you get to know Photoshop [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► you know version 3.0 you like WoW players this is awesome and this program [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► is great and then 4.0 comes out you're like oh that's just weird and I [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► shouldn't 2.53 busy as a maybe you do maybe like channel operations and [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► players but anyway you get used to a piece of software and and you say okay [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► well this is the software and it continues to work and I like it why [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► would ever want to change and if it changed underneath you like whoa what's [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► the menus change in the keyboard chunk of change they changed all sorts of [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► things about this program I would happen them out working on that one back [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► because you think of software as this one thing that you get like a physical [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► car whereas with chrome you know you can't have shown that people can be [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► trained not to think of software that way if you use Chrome the program you're [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► using now is not like the one you were using several years ago and you didn't [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► do anything about that you could have just never touched me but never said yes [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► to any updates updates itself can you come in today and for the most part is [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► different it's faster it's better to more stable has more features [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► but also a change of stuff like all the menus are different and that the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► preferences are different things kept moving into the into browser tabs and [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► out of like real you I as they try to make everything web based in that kind [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► of annoyed me but i think thats the future of software and that's what's [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► driving the adoption more than people saying oh I S 060 I want to get it it's [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► because every single iOS device that can upgrade to iOS 6 showed a prompt that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► says the upgrade to iOS 6 showed again and people mentally hit the button [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Android has a bazillion ancient versions because funds can even run like you know [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► it's up to the carriers to upgrade them like asking if all those little prompts [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► the latest version of Android too but they can't and they don't have those [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► prompt so they're not one also any one of the biggest things he touched on [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► earlier one of the biggest things driving I was that option is that all [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► new iOS devices are always so with the latest OS and and because the sales of [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► iOS devices tend to be slowly growing quarter by quarter or year by year [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► you know every year there is way more iOS devices added into the pool of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► actively use devices and everything added past [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► passenger was released it has the newest OS wares and reduced you still have [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► phones that are sold today that are burning not the current version of the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► OS and sometimes the running for like six months or a year even more old so [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► you know I O Si because long as sales of iOS devices stay strong and you stand [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► you remain not able to downgrade them I think we're we're always gonna see very [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► very strong version adoption [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► have some static and remember to ask something like you know the number of [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► iOS devices sold in the past years more than another lie less divisive history [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► before that or something like that and then david guetta they've claimed that a [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► lot like is that like in that is the case and growth growth has leveled off a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► little bit so maybe they will be able to claim the next year but that gives their [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that combined with the fact that they can upgrade and like I said the deal the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► new versions of the new hardware comes with the newest version that drives [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► adoption and so they use it as a point like our doctors are great because [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► people because use it really love our latest version [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► of the OS and I don't really think it's the case not that it matters but like I [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► was center will freak people out but they're gonna be great because they [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► become a screen there in a president they can't downgrade its gonna call [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► contracts fires is gonna come on the new iPhone so guess what ninety percent of [TS]

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00:50:51 ◼   ► sponsoring the show that I can go to this year trying to get cynical work [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► into paying for me to go but no luck maybe next time so back to Iowa 74 [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► minutes so we do see happen we did our show and we all have our opinion of it [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► and I went home and I showed my wife the beta on my iPhone for us and her [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► immediate reaction was this looks really cheap looking at the home's good looking [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► at those often terrible icons like she really was very turned off by the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► appearance of the home screen and I think it was mostly because of the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► crappy icons and her initial experience was I don't really want to keep using [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► this like i dont really wanna play with this kind of gross and I'm a little [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► scared of what they're going here [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► and you know she played the first of a couple of minutes at my urging it and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► then you know later on that evening she's using her her regular iPhone with [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► iOS 6 on it and she's like you know what this looks old and he's like you know I [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► actually I want the new one and I want a white iPhone now the worst part of Iowa [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► severance encourages people to buy while I agree more I I bet thats first of all [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► actually I have a white iPad Mini because the new style so I have a black [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► iPhone 5 but I think ultimately I think the the black aluminum is not aging well [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► you know the edges get the scratches and you can start seeing the color [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► underneath and and I don't know I'm not crazy about the way the black ones look [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► in practice but anyway I think this is gonna probably reflect a lot of people's [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► opinion of Iowa seven which is when you first see it you kind of like ugly [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► looking but then you know once the whole OS sinks in and once you start to use it [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► you start to realize okay well there's some of those homes good decisions are [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► pretty bad but overall this really does look very modern and it starts to really [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► show you how dated the old iOS appearance has become so did get deeper [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► than than just looking at the home screen like to actually play with a few [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► apps open up my calendar and mail and stuff like that I didn't have any third [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► party actually installed on it but but I open up right built in stuff and she was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► putting up with that a little bit was not a very long interaction I will give [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► you that but but just having seen that and you know it's only having seen that [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► for a few minutes she she was unable to recognize oh crap my old iPhone looks or [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► my current iPhone looks old by comparison and so she want the new one [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► just because you know it really is new and fresh and modern and I think I [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► really think that's going to be a very common reaction 1902 pretty well in she [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► doesn't strike me as the shiny [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► kind of person but is that going to be the reaction from you know your average [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► Joe or Susie that it's just new and shiny or do you think it's deeper than [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► that I happen to think it's deeper than that but I'm a nerd and so that's not [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► unexpected but it's gonna be shocking to people who aren't paying attention [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► they're gonna be like well it doesn't look like my iOS but at that point they [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► will have no choice and they will use it for we can get used to it and three or [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► four things will continue to annoy them just like three or four things denied [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► them at the old one but they let you know they'll get used to it like it's [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► it's going to be a different a differentiator like that's the most [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► important feature of this change from the the regular person's perspective is [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► that it is unmistakable e different than the previous one and as I said in the [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► past by Apple needed to make a change this is changing that is an essential [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► feature of this that customers can identify at a glance it is different [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► because that's what that's what I want needs at this point he needs a clean [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► break with the class passing something new and as long as it's not completely [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► unusable or just seen as horrendously ugly it'll be fine I think that Windows [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► 8 which i think has some horrendously ugly parts of it but that's not what [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► annoyed people people who are annoyed that Windows it was ugly there were no [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► they couldn't find anything and nothing worked and stuff like that so as long as [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► Apple gets the functionality part of it right and I think they think they're on [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► the right track where the the individual decisions about aesthetics are not as [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► important as the fact that it is just immediately identifiable as a different [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► thing yeah I think that's right and you know and the fact is it still does work [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► roughly the same way you know there there are few little tweaks here and [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► there and there's there's plenty more updated or more modern things like that [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► that gesture a more updated navigation structure and stuff like that but it all [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► still works pretty much the same way for people who have never seen the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► multitasking bar and iOS 6 they will continue to see it and I you know we we [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► look at every single things differently [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► of Iowa's right but I wonder about i mean it kind of explains why Apple but [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► that little upward facing arrow to say hey guys control centers down here and [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► it can be more if you change stuff but that's another one of those features but [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► maybe like Notification Center where the first time most people actually [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► Notification Center it's probably an accident like what's this thing happens [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► that I think peak down from the top for a second and I went back to using it [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► what is that like and another happens things up there like eventually people [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► discover this thing down there but unlike probably Notification Center once [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► people discover control some 20 fast way to turn wifi on and off like things that [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► people can understand you know or change the volume or whatever I'm hoping that [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► that will be a feature that people will latch onto us again for the people who [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► don't know that you can open the most testing training go to the left and [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► their stuff over there that's useful [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► control center is the much larger version of that oh yeah I mean we so I [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► got my mother-in-law [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► for this past Christmas she had she has this nice radio it is nice to know [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► little radio thing in and in their living room and she she's been using the [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► iPad and she's going to Pandora so I got her an AirPort Express so she could then [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► airplay the Pandora to the little radio in living room and having to to having [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► to describe to a relatively non-technical person all the steps [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► involved in turning on of course Pandora on the iPad doesn't have an airplane [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► button because they are absurd extraordinary mediocre but you know [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► trying to explain to a regular person how to go to the most trade swipe over [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► fine air play button tap that app the room now it's swipe up their play like [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► there's like three fewer steps than they were before and it's way more clear and [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► there's there's gonna be so many interactions like that that are just so [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► much easier with that and the other thing I wanted to know if you look at [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► Apple's iOS seven-page there's you know the big image of a white iPhone 5 with [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► the home screen there's a couple paragraphs of text and then there's what [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► is 36 [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► 912 images all the familiar apps that while they're not images actually think [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► they're little videos but they're all the familiar apps that they're showing [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► and it will headline is CIOs 7 action so it's clear that they're trying to shop [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► isn't the right word but familiarize people with what's coming so whenever [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► the time comes that I was seven is out then they won't be so jarring in and I [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► think Apple's little nervous about and I think they should be but I think on all [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► won't be bad anyway we want to talk about never heard him saying I do I do [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► sure cuz I put it in the notes that's why you're preparing a little too much [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► john it's one sentence and a link and get all nervous if not longer poster is [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► another in a long series of people with backgrounds and not commenting on iOS 7 [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► about what they like what they don't like trying to divine the philosophy [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► behind it and reconcilable has said with the reality of the OS and all that stuff [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► and then sports was very focused and it's clear that he has sort of chewed on [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► this is eyeing his head for a long time and decided it just looks wrong to him [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and he focused on the icon showing the App Store icon little circle and yay [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► conforms to the grid that johnnie I have in his team's boys laid out for iOS icon [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► stomach Mullick the same where they have a concentric circles in boxes and they [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► made a point of showing how even though all the home screen icons look different [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► they all sort of touch on important points in this greeting confirmed when [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► the right way and he was saying the grid is wrong [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► look at Cirque on the App Store if I was designing the city would be smaller and [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► it should be smaller version looks wrong when it's bigger and I read that post [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and I thought there was a couple of really obvious already designed type [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► replies to it found one of them was going to someone a lot of his room re [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► Warner show notes this up on medium site which I don't really like the or else [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► from because you can't read them but i right [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► he responded and Evans fast explaining how wrong this is not really applicable [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► in cases of design because you know you need to talk about it in context and [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► fill the roles not a piece of art is not just mostly pleasing to the eye as a [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► functional aspect and so on and so forth and so both those not so much but my man [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► reaction to Nevins thing was and I think I think people are gonna call myself an [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► artist but I did do a lot of our related things early in my life and still have [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► that bent believe it or not as a programmer and one of the things I was [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► found myself doing when I was doing you know visual are working even visual [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► design stuff is trying to prevent myself from giving in to the feeling that never [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► has which is when you make something and you and your sort of artistically [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► inclined you can look at it and see that it's not quite right and if you're a [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► little more experience a little more skill you can see there's not quite [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► right and know what's wrong with it and fix it so that's what he did with the [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► App Store icon doesn't look right to me and actually go for that I know why [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► doesn't look right it's because the the space around the circle is not quite [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► right if I change a circle decide now is more pleasing to me in a sort of like [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► intuitive sense that you have a gmail is worried about intuition being data [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► driven process running on a machine with thousands of years of evolution behind [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► her something to that effect but you look at it you just feel that's wrong [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► and so what you can do if if you're making a piece of art is just keep [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► changing it into you feel happy with it doesn't look quite right and if you know [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► what it is about this wrong you keep moving it more and more towards that [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► idea until you look like now that's it looks beautiful right and some people [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► just don't have that they can look at one logo in the lower down there about [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► the same know the person one logo with the circle that's five percent bigger [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► totally wrong and other one is like all that's the one right but if you are you [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► if you give in to that feeling when you're making something if every single [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► aspect of it you just use the use your intuition when you end up doing is sort [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► of painting the entire design with the sort of sameness we're especially in web [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► design [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► but even assuming you're doing you know drawing picture something when you step [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► away from you like oh now I have made this entire thing pleasing to the eye [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► and all aspects and it looks bland and boring and so one of the first impulse [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► as I can remember having when I was taking our lessons as a kid is that [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► sometimes when you're drawing something for designing something you take some [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► aspect of it and you intentionally make it look wrong not not wrong in a sense [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► of ugly or anything but you you pushed the limit of you say this was the [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► perfect and write a nice and beautiful and you know you like the golden ratio [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► and it looks like a beautiful woman it would look like nature and it would look [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► like a fractal and it would just be so pleasing to the eye but i wanna push it [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► slightly more along one axis because it creates a current of visual and [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► emotional tension you can't do them all aspects of things make some things right [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► the heavy take one aspect of it you press it a little bit sometimes with the [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► purpose but sometimes just because you feel like you know what this will be [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► more interesting if I make this one aspect of it not conform to this ideal [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► of beauty that I have my head and your knowingly doing that I'm not sure that's [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► what I was seven is done but when I look at it I think there are parts of this [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► design that is unsettling for some colors are usually easy to be like the [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► circus-like yes I saw them and they look too big to me as well but I thought like [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► they know that these circle seem too big [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► perhaps it's for readability at you know the icon needs to be readable instead of [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► you know just visually pleasing to see if you made it smaller would look nice [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► but it also could be the design where everything is made to conform to that [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► beautiful ideal is more boring and lacks character and I'm willing to believe [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► that some aspects of Iowa simes design were done with that in mind that a [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► design that is beautiful in all aspects and and purple uniform store ideal of [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► beauty is boring and I like it to push push the envelope in some aspect because [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► that's more interesting alternative there that maybe johnnie I was not gonna [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► graphical design which is a lot less interesting hit-and-run [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► I mean it's true there are more boring explanations they made them bigger so [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► the more readable and they're gonna shine in my area and the colors are [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► harder to go by but the same kind of thing colors like sometimes you do [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► especially if you've done art for a really long time it's like you get [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► burned out on just everything being beautiful and perfect like sometimes you [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► make something intentionally on something and I think there's a tension [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► in that kind of design that tickles the brand nether regions of artists to look [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► at it and they find that nicer and that's something that's polarizing [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► regular people probably don't care about the colors which will probably people [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► probably likely but I think these icons and everything else about it will be [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► refined over time but I hope they don't I hope they don't do a lot of the [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► revisions you see like I'm sure every design I was somehow it's better this [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► way and they're just a sameness to them if like just making everything boring [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► and and and beautiful unconventional ways like the saturating the caller is [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► making it all like you know beautiful and low contrast and pale and grayscale [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► and lots of other designer II tendencies that if applied on mass to an entire OS [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► make the whole thing boring you know I don't know why I think I think it's too [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► early to say whether like they're just bad at this right now whether this is [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► like intentionally along one side I think time will tell [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► I'm certainly interested to see what the fallout is from all the complaining [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► about the icons are they going to do a Microsoft Xbox 180 or they just go [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► forward and see what happens I mean like Microsoft designed windows 8 was kind of [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► we had this bold direction but try to like in terms of shapes i guess im not [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► in terms of colors try to make things you know recent like there there are no [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► comments on this icon to the two big circles in Windows 8 that i've seen [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► right they they fit things inside the boxes with you know crack spacing and [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► margins and nothing is uncomfortably too big or too small within the borders of [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► where you know where some of those icons like the grid itself mean that that that [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► outer circle just too darn close to the edges of that round wreck right and it [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► sits uncomfortably close for people with design sensibilities and surely [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► everyone inside Apple design sensibilities knows but but never put in [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► there that that doesn't that isn't the most pleasing visual arrangement but I [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► can think of lots of reasons why they would intentionally do that I will say [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► is that it I believe so [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► alright thanks a lot to our two sponsors this week [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► Squarespace and an Event Apart and I guess we'll see you next week now that [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental John [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► Casey [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► death was accidental and you can t be L and Marco [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► for the lifeless as we should specify that the second show this week will be [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► an early recording I know you kind of early recording because john's traveling [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► next week so we're recording next week's episode this Friday so in two days from [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► now hopefully Apple and i buy nintendo on Monday [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► what the hell I'm thinking of a story that it would kill me not to be able to [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► talk about and in a timely manner and then we should be published the show for [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► next week and it would not be about one you tend to like what the hell well [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► Marcos your number money command was introduced by Nintendo yourself you can [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► sell it yeah I've gotten good at USC this this Mac Pro benchmark that was [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► leaked like an hour 50 minutes after we stopped talking with my bro I clicked on [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► the but we had done by then I didn't I don't get the reader but show me the [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► number that's why I was so annoyed about doing it again [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► don't compare the new Mac Pro the old Mac Pro we all agree the old micro socks [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► well there's always a few things that are interesting about this benchmark [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► first of all it is the first time we've seen as far as I know it's the first [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► time we've seen any benchmarks of the Xeon if I V two series right i mean this [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► is giving up its possible I don't even think this is the first time that a [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► particular Ciani five model has even been leaked so now if this is correct [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► now we know there will be a model called the E five 2607 it'll be 2.7 hurts and [TS]

01:10:04 ◼   ► of course that's as far as I know that's all new information but beyond that the [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► performance here is really impressive it's obviously very impressive to get a [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► deep bench overall score of 24,000 out of Woonsocket testing like less than [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► one-third of the transistors in this thing [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► while they were there were some more tests and stuff but I mean like two GPUs [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► the most power devices in the GPS is stressing this is more of a CPU I don't [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► think there's any [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► or maybe has a different mode for I don't know but yeah this is mentioned [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► GPS it also I'm guessing it's all so it's kind of like it's like we're it's [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► like you know a good car analogy like bench benchmarking benchmarking the gas [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► mileage of the Veyron it's an interesting benchmark but maybe not what [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► that cars designed to do in like it's basically a bunch of GPUs ramen has dado [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► by the way CPU type thing to run it all in terms of like transistor count and [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► maybe like as Morgan that perhaps in terms of ran counter to what I mean the [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► sad part is like it what they they've ever pull off this really great score [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► that with Woonsocket blows away the previous 12 core by something like 10 or [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► 15 percent that sucks but imagine if they made it to soccer vs then you can [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► hire 45,000 keeping score well you can you find software that uses twenty-four [TS]

01:11:37 ◼   ► course that's pretty difficult video script that you wrote [TS]

01:11:45 ◼   ► way back when I remember seeing the flyby went during your time of day when [TS]

01:11:48 ◼   ► you were trying to code centralized yeah it's me and there's like I think there's [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► like an hour an argument for XRD something with those roughly the same [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► thing but make minus J [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► you know 25 you know what annoys me when I went ahead at the show is that [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► mp3 encoding is not is not well paralyzed apple and because there's like [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► this bit reservoir something I don't know they're there some reason I was [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► looking I was looking into it while at the lame encoder is not just single [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► threat it's lame yeah you know it [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► any any compression scheme the data depends on the day via becomes both [TS]

01:12:28 ◼   ► before and after it's not easy to break it up into chunks big chunks are related [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► to each other owners are [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► so insanely CPU intensive that I would imagine they were designed from the very [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► beginning to be more parallel they have the same thing like video codecs have [TS]

01:12:46 ◼   ► the thing we're like the current frame depends on the past frame in the future [TS]

01:12:49 ◼   ► for and so like obviously these are paralyzed but there's blocks there's [TS]

01:12:53 ◼   ► like to be frame or something and then there's the block and you like you can [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► pass one block to a different thread paralyzing but it's not as simple as [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► something like you know just copy data up into pieces have those pieces process [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► independently reassemble the results which would be like strictly linear [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► parallelization right exactly I don't know I think what concerns me about this [TS]

01:13:16 ◼   ► of course I wonder I wonder if we can get a comparison between the like the [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► single-threaded tests of this versus my current 3.33 gigahertz two generations [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► old this might be slower and something certain things cause I could have that [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► rocked los dominicanos anyway after the show but substitute this is very [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► interesting though that this tells us this was quite a lot of new information [TS]

01:13:45 ◼   ► that a good the new Mac Pro is faster but if you look this this announces [TS]

01:13:49 ◼   ► details about the Xeon confirms you know certain certain percentage improvement [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► over the previous leon's so this is very interesting to see how and why the [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► unrelated note in the chapel was asking how un Marco you and I met and then [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► said its long and in most interesting story and then Simon Cowell I said his [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► or her part why the friendship is not what I thought I don't feel like we [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► should tell the story because I think I'd rather watch all our friends in the [TS]

01:14:25 ◼   ► chat just invent answers it's probably more interesting than the real story all [TS]

01:14:29 ◼   ► its so much more [TS]