The Accidental Tech Podcast

25: Thrustmaster Joystick


00:00:00   I was very much on how to do this depends a lot on the record I now [TS]

00:00:05   although this last time is John's fault you're recording right we r Memory Man [TS]

00:00:10   yes yes you forgot ones for like 10 minutes and you're never live it down I [TS]

00:00:16   know that's why we have redundant systems my friend of redundant systems [TS]

00:00:22   looking forward to adding this episode I i've disagreed with the first one that I [TS]

00:00:27   get to use my automatic drift corrector and a liner 484 triple in her recordings [TS]

00:00:33   I'm gonna release a thing at some point I just gotta have a handful of beta [TS]

00:00:38   testers right now just to see just to make sure it works on you know more than [TS]

00:00:42   just my computer and more than just like our tracks from the three of us for this [TS]

00:00:46   works now when you say release a do you mean releases like the FaceTime spektr [TS]

00:00:50   do you mean actually releasing crack that's a good question I that's ok so [TS]

00:00:56   backing up a second what this tool is I guess the status is gonna become a topic [TS]

00:01:03   so I'll try to make it isn't that interesting one of the so when you [TS]

00:01:08   record a podcast like this [TS]

00:01:09   typically people talk to each other over Skype and then the way you can record as [TS]

00:01:14   you can either have everybody record their own microphones and put that [TS]

00:01:18   requires just them and then they are some the files to somebody who had a [TS]

00:01:21   thing together online them all up and everything or you can have one person [TS]

00:01:25   just record everybody through Skype and the problem with that is like I'm sure [TS]

00:01:30   everyone's heard another one of the show's whereas somebody is Skype [TS]

00:01:34   connection gets a little bit slow for a few minutes then they started breaking [TS]

00:01:37   up or their voice get noticeably worse quality or problems like that now the [TS]

00:01:43   other way of doing it everyone record their own thing and send the files to [TS]

00:01:45   somebody to the lineup one problem is that line them up kind of sucks you know [TS]

00:01:50   it it's on the time consuming thing that you know it you might take five or ten [TS]

00:01:53   minutes long and it's annoying and it's tedious but it's not that time consuming [TS]

00:01:58   the bigger problem a lot of people faces drift and that's that when you have [TS]

00:02:05   somebody microphone recording at you know 44100 hurts very very slight [TS]

00:02:13   accuracies or differences in how it's measured between different hardware [TS]

00:02:16   different sound cards in computers and such very very slight inaccuracies will [TS]

00:02:22   over time at up so that over the course of like a 90 minute recording one person [TS]

00:02:27   might be aligned perfectly at the beginning but at the end be off by like [TS]

00:02:30   a second half and and that that's that's making the conversation sound weird and [TS]

00:02:35   just not not flow right and you cannot correct it [TS]

00:02:38   which has been about output or you can try to figure out if we go through in [TS]

00:02:43   like in every ten twenty minutes or whatever go through and realign attracts [TS]

00:02:47   like cut it at a Communion point and then shift somebody over to correct for [TS]

00:02:50   their drift it's not great and most people in tight end Benjamin very [TS]

00:02:56   famously avoid this kind of workflow for the five by five shows because he does [TS]

00:03:00   so many shows he has to get them out quickly like he can afford for him or an [TS]

00:03:05   editor to take you know an extra 45 minutes at each show for what ends up [TS]

00:03:11   being a difference that a lot of people don't care about but I do care about the [TS]

00:03:15   difference and so I so we've always on our shows both neutral and this with the [TS]

00:03:20   triple under method which is everybody record their incentive the files and [TS]

00:03:25   drift isn't too bad cause we all have good computers but it's still like Casey [TS]

00:03:29   has the worst actually sorry Casey well I'm not a fancy pants Mac Pro YouTube [TS]

00:03:34   maybe that's why you buy the Mac computer from 2008 so anyway I made a [TS]

00:03:43   little command-line tool basically to solve this problem for myself and it [TS]

00:03:49   just analyze the sound and not only automatically lines attracts up but also [TS]

00:03:53   correct the dressed like a nice even way throughout the course the whole file so [TS]

00:03:57   it's pretty much like exactly perfect output of what you want in theory of [TS]

00:04:01   course obviously I'm sure doesn't work every time but we'll see how is it [TS]

00:04:06   fixing the Drifters stretching out the Sounders it during my get cut it places [TS]

00:04:09   Reuters silencing sliding it is adjusting for silence so it's like you [TS]

00:04:14   know if it detects silence and then it adds or removes samples as necessary to [TS]

00:04:19   to get back on track so anyway [TS]

00:04:24   so this this tall it's extremely useful to a very small number of people and so [TS]

00:04:30   it thinking about like ok I do want to release it obviously you know I'm not [TS]

00:04:34   gonna keep this for myself and have a TPB the only podcast the sounds good [TS]

00:04:38   like that's and and it doesn't doesn't get it out of sync that obviously is is [TS]

00:04:43   not that productive of a thing to try to do and try to be and so I could also [TS]

00:04:49   give it away for free which you know that I don't really see much of an [TS]

00:04:55   upside or I can charge money for it and the problem with that is like if you [TS]

00:05:01   charge money for this I'm sure I could sell us for like 50 bucks maybe even a [TS]

00:05:06   hundred bucks to like 40 people and that's about it like at most there [TS]

00:05:12   aren't that many people who had it shows in this way and of all the ones that do [TS]

00:05:16   there there you know what percentage of them would actually ever hear about this [TS]

00:05:21   and then be willing to buy it so you know it the audience for this is [TS]

00:05:25   probably really small so I thought about it and i also think ok so let's say I [TS]

00:05:33   sell it for ex and I make X dollars at most from it in a hurry [TS]

00:05:38   what you know what my possible upside here and I it turned out to be you know [TS]

00:05:44   I might might make a few thousand dollars ever for the course of the of [TS]

00:05:49   the life of this happen I make you know if if I'm having people pay me a good [TS]

00:05:52   amount of money for this they're going to expect some level of support on that [TS]

00:05:56   and do I really want to get in the business of supporting little tiny app [TS]

00:06:00   450 people for not that much money in the grand scheme of things like the next [TS]

00:06:06   two years [TS]

00:06:07   expect to be able to use it at least sounds like crap you know it doesn't [TS]

00:06:11   sound very good idea so I decided instead to be released I'm going to [TS]

00:06:19   release it for free I don't think I'm an open-source a quite yet I think about [TS]

00:06:24   that that's a whole other discussion I'm probably gonna lose it for free but with [TS]

00:06:29   the condition that if you use it and you have any shows that you edit with it [TS]

00:06:35   that have sponsorships at all [TS]

00:06:37   I would like a quick little thanks mansion and I'm gonna release it when I [TS]

00:06:41   release my next product and so the things mentioned will be for that so [TS]

00:06:45   it's all kind of this is my fault I think that's the best addicted it's free [TS]

00:06:52   so it keeps it keeps the expectations on me lo and the commitment to my time low [TS]

00:06:58   but I still see some upside and eventually a more valuable upside than I [TS]

00:07:05   would if I tried to charge 50 bucks for the thing and it's all 240 people like a [TS]

00:07:10   complete unenforceable system example yet it it wouldn't be like you know I'm [TS]

00:07:15   not gonna go threaten to sue people who don't you know give me a plug in their [TS]

00:07:18   watermarking their files now and that's like all down the down the rabbit hole [TS]

00:07:26   like detecting piracy and everything it's so worth it it's so so not worth it [TS]

00:07:31   so anyway that's I believe that's pretty much all I have to say about that topic [TS]

00:07:36   I don't know is there anything more to say only that it seems like you're doing [TS]

00:07:41   an excellent job of procrastinating from doing what is arguably your actual job [TS]

00:07:45   which is your next big gap between between and ATP in this you doing a very [TS]

00:07:51   good job of not doing your job next appt is that he just has to write before he [TS]

00:07:55   can get back to what he was doing so now [TS]

00:07:58   now I'm back to the big I mean and I i've been on it for again I saw it like [TS]

00:08:01   a week and a half or so it's been great but one and this is i mean I don't have [TS]

00:08:06   much time at the show again [TS]

00:08:09   basically that the quick version is I got discouraged working on working on [TS]

00:08:15   the Big Apple for a while and and part of it was just because I was tired and [TS]

00:08:19   lazy and burned out from like big coding jobs part of it was that I just wasn't [TS]

00:08:24   really apply myself very well and wasn't really my discipline was was pretty weak [TS]

00:08:29   for a lot of the summer and and part of it was that the name I had chosen for [TS]

00:08:36   the new big gap ended up having a trademark problem and I could either you [TS]

00:08:42   know figure out licensing of that or [TS]

00:08:46   figurehead and use a trademark and spend a lot of money doing that maybe or pick [TS]

00:08:50   a different option that a call bunch of lawyers and figure out what to do and it [TS]

00:08:56   was just it was very discouraging to have to be doing this and I mentioned on [TS]

00:09:00   Twitter and if a lot of people chimed in saying they feel the same way if I don't [TS]

00:09:04   have a good name for something I generally have a hard time working on it [TS]

00:09:07   like to me it like it gives it a personality or if it helps motivate me [TS]

00:09:11   to see at the end goal of the name of product you know name of thing out there [TS]

00:09:16   and this was another has a web components had to do things like SSL [TS]

00:09:20   certificates for the domain name meaning that I wanted everything so it was like [TS]

00:09:24   at all this kind of work and and and hopes invested in this name and then for [TS]

00:09:31   the possibility of not have not been able to use it and I brainstorm new [TS]

00:09:35   names and what's the name of the audio airliner sidetrack but didn't focus [TS]

00:09:45   group that one i know i like it [TS]

00:09:47   again it's it's gonna be used by forty people who cares if you didn't have a [TS]

00:09:52   name for that one would do the same things I've deal with you not tell [TS]

00:09:55   motivated to complete it just might is like a you know single-purpose told [TS]

00:09:59   herself alone says a name that it could be a thing for most of its development [TS]

00:10:02   was called audio line but I thought that was a stupid name and so kind of last [TS]

00:10:07   minute I changed it for that it was less important to have a great day up front [TS]

00:10:12   because it really like a utility it's like you know like I don't have great [TS]

00:10:16   names like I have a shell script that imports the files off my AVCHD camcorder [TS]

00:10:22   AVCHD files are stupid and nothing supports them so I i have I wrote a [TS]

00:10:26   shell script forever ago that import them into something useful and that is [TS]

00:10:32   called import videos from Sony camcorder Dutch so it's not not the best you're [TS]

00:10:39   scratching an itch or you're solving a problem in when you're solving a [TS]

00:10:43   concrete problem especially a smaller one and you're not intending to make [TS]

00:10:46   money off of it i I don't see that as being the same as writing this new big [TS]

00:10:51   gap which is perhaps solving a problem for yourself but it's also solving a [TS]

00:10:56   problem hopefully for many many many other people [TS]

00:10:58   totally changes your motivations exactly and so that's why you know I I wanted [TS]

00:11:04   and I had such a great name I was working on it like I looked up the first [TS]

00:11:09   classes I wrote for this new big gap I wrote last october [TS]

00:11:14   I've been thinking about this for a long time before the paper shortly after I [TS]

00:11:18   started the magazine I've been thinking about doing this for a while and I made [TS]

00:11:23   some prototypes of some of the functionality way back then I mean I've [TS]

00:11:26   been doing this for a long time and I had this name in mind for most of that [TS]

00:11:30   time and so you know to not be able to use it or to potentially have a big [TS]

00:11:36   problem with using it suddenly like after months of of loving it was very [TS]

00:11:42   discreet anyway so i dont the terrible excuse for not working on it very much [TS]

00:11:47   for like two months it's a horrible excuse but it really did do you motivate [TS]

00:11:53   me and I was certainly distracted by you know by buckshot and by side track so [TS]

00:12:00   you know they're like I had other distractions but the main thing was like [TS]

00:12:04   a combination of me being being very lazy the summer and and just having a [TS]

00:12:09   hard time getting going on things and the discouragement from the naming issue [TS]

00:12:13   but the good thing is I I now have two needs I have the original name and I [TS]

00:12:20   have a new one I can use if I need to and I'm still negotiating the trade [TS]

00:12:23   market the original one that I want it so I see I see how those negotiations go [TS]

00:12:28   but if if they fall apart I have another name that I can use I'd rather not but I [TS]

00:12:35   can I forgot what they were doing was I am attorney so you can remind me [TS]

00:12:40   I I prefer the original for the second one I did not care for the second one at [TS]

00:12:45   all and the poor painful this is the concert inside jokes anyway so the [TS]

00:12:58   correct that would have been funny yeah I basically so that's that's what I've [TS]

00:13:06   been doing and recently I don't know I don't have this really matters i I did a [TS]

00:13:11   couple days ago decide to delete my desktop Twitter client and at the [TS]

00:13:15   neckline and I realized I haven't mentioned rescue team here yet I mention [TS]

00:13:21   it somewhere recently I don't think so [TS]

00:13:23   one of my many podcasts no I don't know I've been using rescue time it's one of [TS]

00:13:29   the great things I picked up from one of maryland's many tools discussions from [TS]

00:13:33   the from the last few years in which he has discussed every single productivity [TS]

00:13:36   tool ever released or they could be released or they might be released for [TS]

00:13:38   the Mac and and I picked up rescue time at six months ago and I so what does it [TS]

00:13:48   it's it's it's I think it's a kernel level think it's some kind of creepy [TS]

00:13:52   like deeply integrated thing in your computer and it also sends all the stuff [TS]

00:13:57   to a web service which makes it even more creepy and I wish it was just a [TS]

00:14:00   local athletes not so what it does is it record how much time you spend in every [TS]

00:14:05   app and if you give it permission and will also record what domain names [TS]

00:14:10   you're browsing in web browsers and and so it basically gives you at every week [TS]

00:14:16   it sends you an email saying here is how you spend your time here's how many [TS]

00:14:21   hours you had on the computer and here's how many hours you spend and what [TS]

00:14:24   percentage of the time that is on things that are work things aren't working you [TS]

00:14:28   can customize what that means but it has pretty good defaults are you know Xcode [TS]

00:14:31   is work from his people tweet but is not work for most people and stuff like that [TS]

00:14:37   they can break down by website like you know maybe the Maritimes might be work [TS]

00:14:41   Facebook probably isn't you know stuff like that so it showed me over the last [TS]

00:14:46   few months that I was there is fine so this was I was filming I wasn't getting [TS]

00:14:52   enough work [TS]

00:14:53   time in every week and I didn't know why it turns out that I was getting enough [TS]

00:14:58   work time most of the time you know there are some weeks where is busy with [TS]

00:15:01   family stuff and for the most part of getting enough work time and the biggest [TS]

00:15:06   problem was that I was just not been the time well and I was bending something [TS]

00:15:11   like four hours a week out of my like you know 36 to 50 work hours a week I [TS]

00:15:18   was spending about four of those into it and that was scary and you guys used for [TS]

00:15:25   clients like whenever you're in it because something is compiling our tests [TS]

00:15:32   are running or whatever then you want to you know not leave the CPU cores idle so [TS]

00:15:37   you can test the finish area code is compiled you finally had to break point [TS]

00:15:43   there you know that's how I used to it all the same here I don't think that the [TS]

00:15:48   total amount would bother me maybe if I saw grass and selecting tenuous periods [TS]

00:15:52   of time or whatever I think it would be a little tiny slices [TS]

00:15:57   well the problem was that months ago I I kind of gave up on reading my whole time [TS]

00:16:05   line like I used to be used to be a completionist in how I read both my [TS]

00:16:10   Twitter timeline on my tumblr dashboard back on his Tumblr more and I would read [TS]

00:16:15   everything I I would have to like quote catch up and I still do that with [TS]

00:16:20   mentions brain no longer do that for the main timeline I haven't in the meantime [TS]

00:16:23   line in months I give up months ago you should just unfollow people well a lot [TS]

00:16:29   of people have to fall like for political reasons to assassinate you can [TS]

00:16:34   follow [TS]

00:16:36   well anyway so I have been following the main timeline reliably and yet I was [TS]

00:16:42   still spending the same amount of time on it I was like what am i doing and I [TS]

00:16:48   think what I was doing just like clicking around is like you know what [TS]

00:16:51   the streaming API you can get one at reply and something lights up somewhere [TS]

00:16:55   and so there's something new to read and there's no I have something to read [TS]

00:17:01   almost all the time and I can like click around and so it was it was like [TS]

00:17:06   very very large number of context switches basically and I i realized that [TS]

00:17:13   when I was not running Tweetbot I was getting way more done and so I also [TS]

00:17:20   realize that if I deleted it does if I tried just quitting it I don't have the [TS]

00:17:24   same controls to keep it quit it's it's like automatic I can I just want it and [TS]

00:17:28   you know and I and it's like passing out and doing it and I bother you that you [TS]

00:17:34   had to delete it instead of just choosing not two hundred oh yeah of [TS]

00:17:37   course I would love to have the kind of control I can just say you know what I [TS]

00:17:41   can do but the reason I deleted it was because I like six accounts configured [TS]

00:17:45   in there if I ever want to reinstall it's a giant panda but I still have it [TS]

00:17:52   on my laptop I figured you know if I need if I need a a desktop Twitter [TS]

00:17:56   experience like I did when I was announcing the show is recording live I [TS]

00:18:00   that's it's a big thing where I i publish it on both after net and Twitter [TS]

00:18:04   and retweet on time and accounts from those services to get more people so so [TS]

00:18:09   you know it helps to have a desktop client for that so i figure i keeping [TS]

00:18:12   the laptop and I've ever really need to do it a lot I'll just keep the laptop [TS]

00:18:16   open on my desk at the second computer but my main computer does not have that [TS]

00:18:21   on it and so most of the time there is not not only is a temptation got the [TS]

00:18:25   ability to even read it is gone and which helps me so I don't have any [TS]

00:18:28   control so I have found in the last few days it really has been a dramatic [TS]

00:18:33   improvement I don't know if you know it could be temporary [TS]

00:18:37   like you know when you lose three pounds in the very first day of a dying every [TS]

00:18:42   day going to be like that you know it could be temporary but it was a massive [TS]

00:18:46   difference so far and I've gotten so much done in the last few days on the [TS]

00:18:50   main big gap because I'm not using to eat but first this is the first time [TS]

00:18:56   since I started using Twitter at all that I haven't had a desktop Twitter [TS]

00:18:59   client open a regular basis now do you have any audible alerts or push [TS]

00:19:06   notifications on your phone no no of course I never have that that I've never [TS]

00:19:10   night I never got into that cuz I used to run servers and so I was I would like [TS]

00:19:15   to reserve audible alerts for things that were really potentially important [TS]

00:19:18   so I don't have anything simply put indications for any reason it's just [TS]

00:19:23   like you know and so I would sleep better and service I would sleep with my [TS]

00:19:26   phone very close to my head with the speaker turn on the way up to the if [TS]

00:19:31   something deep in the other night I would hear and wake up and go deal with [TS]

00:19:34   it I just asked because I didn't know if if perhaps you would hear your phone [TS]

00:19:38   chirping in the background and find yourself reaching over for your phone to [TS]

00:19:42   figure out what was being talked about [TS]

00:19:44   I guess that's not really possible for either of you guys because you have a [TS]

00:19:46   gazillion followers although I just crossed 3009 who's awesome that no not [TS]

00:19:52   really but anyway I guess for you it would be hard to have those sorts of [TS]

00:19:56   things turned on like I have I have the push notifications on for treatment on [TS]

00:20:00   my phone but I do not have sounds on because I was finding that I am barely [TS]

00:20:05   popular enough that I get enough audible notification that its distracting but I [TS]

00:20:11   had visions of you perhaps having these multiple notifications on and then [TS]

00:20:14   reaching over for your phone every five minutes then negating the point of not [TS]

00:20:18   having to be put on your Mac and all know it really i mean I don't like you [TS]

00:20:22   honestly mean like I would rather I think take my laptop and I'm going on [TS]

00:20:26   the couch or lying in bed before going to sleep in like horrible for other [TS]

00:20:30   reasons but I'd rather like ketchup on Twitter then like I'd rather catch up on [TS]

00:20:33   Twitter occasionally on a laptop then all day on a phone you want to talk [TS]

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00:22:33   about fast tax yeah so yeah go on [TS]

00:22:36   yeah so last episode which was number 24 believe we talked a little bit about my [TS]

00:22:42   apt s tax which was never designed to be a money-making enterprise it was just [TS]

00:22:47   kind of one of those things where did it proved to myself that I could and I [TS]

00:22:50   think because it was an app that nobody had heard of and then we mentioned did [TS]

00:22:55   more than just mention it talked about it on ATP which is reasonably well [TS]

00:23:01   listen to podcast it was it has accidentally haha become an interesting [TS]

00:23:07   study in what publicity does or does not do so I did a little bit of homework for [TS]

00:23:13   the axonal talk podcast before the podcast and according to [TS]

00:23:19   wasn't having any right now according to a penny which apparently I enabled on [TS]

00:23:24   October 24th of 2011 I had two hundred and six downloads between then and July [TS]

00:23:31   23rd and on July 23rd which I'm guessing around the time that we recorded that [TS]

00:23:35   episode I had 11 downloads and then I had not many know 2 30 2000 wine which [TS]

00:23:45   is about an average week and a half or whatever that is weak fast textiles then [TS]

00:23:50   on the day of the release of ATP which was either a stronger second somewhere [TS]

00:23:54   around there I had 30 downloads 69 downloads 31 downloads 1515 and [TS]

00:23:59   yesterday was six or maybe the day before yesterday so all told between [TS]

00:24:05   October 24th 2011 and July 23rd of this year I had according to a penny 206 [TS]

00:24:11   downloads and between July 23rd and tonight which is August 785 so I've [TS]

00:24:19   almost double the amount of downloads that I've had in the entire day fast [TS]

00:24:23   teks existence and i believe i initially put it on the App Store it was whatever [TS]

00:24:27   I was 14 how which i think was like late ish 2011 so that said what was really [TS]

00:24:34   interesting to me about this was that it once I get my next check from Apple if I [TS]

00:24:40   crunch this math properly test text will actually be in the green which is a [TS]

00:24:46   really exciting so even if you consider the three times on $99 I paid for the [TS]

00:24:52   Apple developer account if you consider the $40 I paid for passing Express which [TS]

00:24:56   is a great app that enabled a completely non artistic person to make an icon [TS]

00:25:01   that's terrible but a lot better than it otherwise would have been all that sold [TS]

00:25:06   fast tech should be in the black seems that's very exciting say thank you to [TS]

00:25:09   everyone who bought it and thank you to the people who have sent unsolicited [TS]

00:25:12   icon up to [TS]

00:25:14   there have been only a handful there's one that actually really really liked [TS]

00:25:18   and I apologize because i dont have the gentleman's name in front of me that did [TS]

00:25:22   it so I might end up using that for whatever do an update for I was seven [TS]

00:25:25   but [TS]

00:25:26   driving it is you know we're podcast that has tens of thousands of listeners [TS]

00:25:31   and and even despite that having a whole segment about my appt only led to 200 [TS]

00:25:41   downloads and don't take that as a complaint that's not a bad thing at all [TS]

00:25:43   I'm extremely thankful for all almost two hundred of them but the point of [TS]

00:25:48   driving at is it even that much exposure which not to be self-righteous but I [TS]

00:25:53   think that was a pretty decent set of exposure it was pretty high exposure it [TS]

00:25:57   didn't lead to an overwhelming amount of sales and I don't know if it's because [TS]

00:26:01   the APIs kinda silly I mean for whatever the reason it didn't lead to a lot and [TS]

00:26:06   that's what I just found that to be interesting enough you guys have any [TS]

00:26:09   thoughts on that if not we can talk about Minecraft but it has to be a [TS]

00:26:14   surprise to people want to buy like a lot of the stuff for the past sixteen [TS]

00:26:19   people were in the market for a way to send text very quickly sure they may [TS]

00:26:23   have bought it just you know to make you feel better because that was the gist of [TS]

00:26:27   the conversation right so you know if there's a reasonable purpose but you [TS]

00:26:34   could go even narrower like actually more texts but this point people [TS]

00:26:38   probably have a system of houses and text or whatever so maybe in the early [TS]

00:26:41   days but if you have some application that has a very narrow you know possible [TS]

00:26:47   audience of people who wanted this thing is going to make sure people never gonna [TS]

00:26:56   happen you know and so I go where this is one thing whereas you have an [TS]

00:27:00   application that lets you take pictures and put filters on credit markets a lot [TS]

00:27:07   of people could potentially do that if I never heard you were discarded Instagram [TS]

00:27:10   gonna get Instagram never you know it's Hipstamatic and no one had ever heard of [TS]

00:27:14   it no but everybody even though it's a great application you know so you have [TS]

00:27:17   to get the word out some of you have an application with broad appeal I think [TS]

00:27:20   publicity is good looks like the only reason people are buying this is because [TS]

00:27:23   they don't even know exist they don't notice search for it we have a weird [TS]

00:27:26   name how can they distinguish it from all the other crap apps in the store [TS]

00:27:29   that claim to do the same thing or is actually good getting the word out [TS]

00:27:32   if you have an obscure rapper only a limited appeal didn't work now it's not [TS]

00:27:39   going to expand your base right and i think that Optio which was a sponsor of [TS]

00:27:44   ours a couple of weeks back maybe month ago now was a great example of how [TS]

00:27:48   advertising does work because here was a game that you know he famously pointed [TS]

00:27:53   out was talked about briefly on the list talk show we didn't have any purchase [TS]

00:27:56   which makes it unique and different and it's a genuinely good game anyway so I [TS]

00:28:01   have not heard direct feedback from the developer but I've seen some general [TS]

00:28:05   feedback from from him that that that he's gotten a whole lot of sales from [TS]

00:28:10   from the ad reads that we've done in that others have done in so I think [TS]

00:28:15   you're right john that something that may have a little more universal appeal [TS]

00:28:18   could or could arguably benefit greatly from from being sponsored being a [TS]

00:28:23   sponsor being talked about even if they're not a sponsor but for me it was [TS]

00:28:28   it was certainly a tremendous increase in I'm extremely grateful for every one [TS]

00:28:32   of those purchases even if it was just to make my self-esteem a little bit [TS]

00:28:35   better somebody's joked in the chat room but either way it it it wasn't like I'm [TS]

00:28:41   about to retire on fast tech sales unless I go ahead and sell its Marco y [TS]

00:28:45   you gotta work on a version 2.0 a free upgrade cuz i dont have $0.99 on [TS]

00:28:53   budgeted for you for the year [TS]

00:28:57   anything else they are but I thought it was just an interesting a little [TS]

00:29:01   interesting case study well I think and this actually line the very well with [TS]

00:29:04   with my buckshot cells you know I made the post last week or never about and I [TS]

00:29:10   have like you know people assume that because I have an audience in some [TS]

00:29:13   places that any Apple releases going to be some kind of giant hit and it really [TS]

00:29:18   isn't the case you know I i have an advantage certainly by having [TS]

00:29:21   established audience I have I have an advantage mostly up front I'm guaranteed [TS]

00:29:26   a pretty good lunch but then after that I'm in the same boat as everyone else [TS]

00:29:31   and like so so buckshot I pushed myself graph from the beginning until whenever [TS]

00:29:37   that was like a week ago [TS]

00:29:39   and and you know i right now is so when I made that post my my peak data long [TS]

00:29:46   stay I hit like $3000 some something in that range and then it dropped off [TS]

00:29:52   significantly after that of course is the you know it it already reached a lot [TS]

00:29:55   of people unlike on that day I got tons of press from like prom bloggers from [TS]

00:30:00   the tech press and I gotta get more press than most people could could [TS]

00:30:05   really hope for including myself for now but I only spent a week or ten every [TS]

00:30:09   week we could you making and so it was a it was the perfect launch but the fact [TS]

00:30:14   is it you know it peaked and it was great but then it fell down and at the [TS]

00:30:22   Emirates post the average was $47 per day for the last five days the last two [TS]

00:30:28   days has been under 20 I think yesterday was sixteen day before that was nineteen [TS]

00:30:34   so obviously you know this is a long tail effect dropping off very very very [TS]

00:30:39   quickly and yeah twenty bucks a day is good it's especially for no continued [TS]

00:30:46   effort that's good but it is even staying there it's gonna keep going down [TS]

00:30:49   and down and down and you know the fact is you know John McHugh said is correct [TS]

00:30:55   that no matter what kind of audience you get the the App Store is very very [TS]

00:31:00   crowded and it's just it's hard to make good money there it's not impossible but [TS]

00:31:07   it's hard because you're competing with so many other developers and you know [TS]

00:31:13   even in OKC Europe fast text but we're gonna plug like creating and i want to [TS]

00:31:17   sale to go up but you know your your app already has as john said it's a [TS]

00:31:25   specialty audience it's as if you have this need to set to quickly sent [TS]

00:31:29   pre-written text messages that's the app for you that's already some small [TS]

00:31:33   segment of the of the user base and then within that you have to remove anybody [TS]

00:31:39   who either decided that they didn't want to solve that problem after all [TS]

00:31:42   or doesn't know about your appt or knows about your appt but decided not to buy [TS]

00:31:48   it and you know whether they you know but someone else's or what [TS]

00:31:51   so gorgeous but nothing so just getting a bunch of people to even look at it [TS]

00:31:58   isn't necessarily going to guarantee success so it's it's just I don't know [TS]

00:32:04   the I don't know the answer to this but like I don't know how much Apple can [TS]

00:32:08   really do about you know people complain to Apple that they're making this money [TS]

00:32:12   in the App Store but I just don't you know we have this last episode I don't [TS]

00:32:15   really know Apple supposed to do about that is that besides you know they can [TS]

00:32:19   make a few minor changes here and there but I don't think anything's gonna gonna [TS]

00:32:23   fix the problem that there's hundreds of thousands of developers all trying to [TS]

00:32:28   make the same you know thousand different kinds of apps level of success [TS]

00:32:33   by marketing snapple's problem in Apple has this huge power in marketing but [TS]

00:32:39   technically speaking like that's really on individual developers you can't it's [TS]

00:32:43   very difficult to start a rehab start business and say ok now we just gotta [TS]

00:32:47   wait for Apple to feature us that is not really a viable strategy even though [TS]

00:32:50   Apple featuring you probably need you tons of money you can't count on that [TS]

00:32:54   you can control that you have to do your own marketing and it's obviously true [TS]

00:32:58   that's great but if not you better have a plan for how you're going to market [TS]

00:33:01   your application also Apple very rarely features things that are not free and [TS]

00:33:06   not games the Mac App Store is better than I can store they will frequently [TS]

00:33:12   feature big expensive applications that they have to keep things in storage lots [TS]

00:33:19   of you know three and $5 silly utility apps that are not great but then there's [TS]

00:33:24   like that you know the big apps that are you know it's like anything else you got [TS]

00:33:27   to get a ride a great person is a great app I don't know the icons like great [TS]

00:33:31   probably cut yourself and half right there I do not doubt the power that I [TS]

00:33:37   kind of you had an awesome looking icon yourselves be double guarantee you know [TS]

00:33:42   in with that said who's in let me let me take the southeast all for second it was [TS]

00:33:48   Jacob Swiatek I hope I was pronounced around I'm so sorry Jacob if I didn't [TS]

00:33:53   who sent the one that I like the most of the three or four five that have gotten [TS]

00:33:56   and if I end up working out something with him that maybe I can use that for [TS]

00:34:02   2007 for the 07 version Fast tax then then maybe we'll see maybe maybe you [TS]

00:34:09   will get a lot better and here again we can use me as a kind of a case study for [TS]

00:34:15   somebody who wrote an app that I mean I put a lot of effort into it in terms of [TS]

00:34:20   qualitatively or quantitatively I wouldn't say it was a terribly much most [TS]

00:34:24   of the effort I put into it was because I was learning Objective C in Cocoa [TS]

00:34:28   Touch at the time of our to write that app again today I don't know what [TS]

00:34:32   protocol weekend most if not just a few days what's on the inside doesn't matter [TS]

00:34:36   to see what's on the outside like this after a makeover comes out imagine this [TS]

00:34:43   app comes out from the front to back with iOS 7 you know a totally new icon [TS]

00:34:48   all the color is exactly the same just looks different on the outside and then [TS]

00:34:52   you'll see that retail sales numbers maybe $300 oh man yeah I mean I know [TS]

00:34:59   you're right and again i mean the the advantage of Iowa seven is that using [TS]

00:35:02   raw UIKit well from what I know today using raw using raw you i cant will [TS]

00:35:08   actually be a good thing because I look new and modern all fit right in [TS]

00:35:12   and and maybe I'll go wild and use like 10 colors or something who are you know [TS]

00:35:19   just an icon a new icon and and getting some of the I was 77 stuff for free I [TS]

00:35:25   think will make a difference and so we'll see what happens and and once I [TS]

00:35:29   was seven comes out well for follow-up and maybe I'll have to sales today [TS]

00:35:33   instead of just one which would have doubled my cell so we'll see what [TS]

00:35:38   happens is first of all i i do think I'm curious to see how this shakes out with [TS]

00:35:45   iOS 7 and and how cool it looks and and fashion wise of that because your right [TS]

00:35:52   leg I S seven right now that just the default if you could use devalue I could [TS]

00:35:55   stuff and don't want to fight it all you look cool and modern because I was 7 [TS]

00:35:59   looks cool and modern iOS one look cool modern to at the time and eventually [TS]

00:36:05   that became still [TS]

00:36:06   and and didn't work anymore I wonder how long its gonna take for Iowa 724 first [TS]

00:36:13   for its default look [TS]

00:36:15   to start looking like a cheap whore or outdated and I wonder also how many apps [TS]

00:36:21   are going to come out with you know quote I S seven redesigns this fall that [TS]

00:36:27   are gonna look as if you look like I S seven stocks default stuff like I really [TS]

00:36:33   wonder cuz that's why I don't really know what to say about an advantage of [TS]

00:36:38   its gonna watch because a bunch of people making these big gambles and some [TS]

00:36:42   of them going to pay off and some of them really hard kids like you know it's [TS]

00:36:46   like prisoners dilemma like if everyone makes their absolute classic iOS Evans [TS]

00:36:49   default stuff then there are gonna look terrible and and you know bland but if [TS]

00:36:54   only a few people do it [TS]

00:36:56   thereafter gonna look really cool and modern and old gonna have gonna be that [TS]

00:37:02   backlash kind of effect where if you are one of the few people who has an [TS]

00:37:07   application that already looks really good and doesn't look particularly Iowa [TS]

00:37:11   sixty like it doesn't it doesn't have that kind of heavyweight kind of played [TS]

00:37:16   outlook if you just keep your appt the same and everyone else either convert [TS]

00:37:20   stylist honor our copies I was having look suddenly your branding is even [TS]

00:37:24   stronger because previously had some kind of things like that but [TS]

00:37:28   applications quite by count but I don't know why but they have a branding across [TS]

00:37:32   all their obligations is very heavy but it's not exactly like iOS 6 I think [TS]

00:37:36   they'd be too close to it for a dork but think of it on their application that I [TS]

00:37:38   completely custom UI looks nothing like the US adults not a game and application [TS]

00:37:42   but did a really nice custom UI [TS]

00:37:44   I think it's too close to the Sun as well I was thinking like if you if you [TS]

00:37:49   were just the other end of the spectrum but also still don't like I was 6 you [TS]

00:37:53   may be able to get away with not changing in like carrying your brand and [TS]

00:37:57   make your brand even stronger as everyone else just goes all white [TS]

00:37:59   everything I guess it's a difficult line to walk I i wouldn't I wouldn't count [TS]

00:38:03   this is a plan I would say you really could not look like I was 750 hand but [TS]

00:38:07   there is going there are going to be survivors who were like we didn't change [TS]

00:38:11   are you I don't like I was seven we stuck to our guns we can with an owner [TS]

00:38:14   looked it also doesn't look like I was seven because there is the strength and [TS]

00:38:18   branding and not looking like all the other applications and since the iOS 6 [TS]

00:38:22   you I live in four looks kind of played out if you go [TS]

00:38:26   buttons and everything so many iOS applications that are successful have [TS]

00:38:29   custom UI's now which is why everyone scrambling with that was something right [TS]

00:38:34   some of those custom UI's could survive the trick is knowing my one of those [TS]

00:38:39   ones can survive or if I stick to the same I just gonna look terrible and I [TS]

00:38:42   think a lot of them are just gonna because there's like native iOS four [TS]

00:38:46   five six uy plus a couple custom controls and that's going to be a mess [TS]

00:38:50   oh yeah yeah I think that the closer you look to iOS 6 the more old you look if [TS]

00:38:55   you don't change ya think things like aspirin and terrific are already Iowa 17 [TS]

00:39:03   maybe not enough maybe they just came so rapidly becoming even more I was like [TS]

00:39:07   David minor tweaks like they were already there and Vesper Best Buy think [TS]

00:39:11   has his own look at the little bit like I was seven but I'm sure they're going [TS]

00:39:15   revised to sort of shift a bit over and realign a little bit not making it look [TS]

00:39:19   like I was just sort of like recognizing that it's a living I was 7 system will [TS]

00:39:24   see how much they revised up those apps are like the lucky few that were already [TS]

00:39:30   demoralized positioned well and don't have a lot to do probably right exactly [TS]

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00:41:58   need to create an exceptional website it said we want to talk about Minecraft cuz [TS]

00:42:04   I hear John that you really love minecraft and you particularly like [TS]

00:42:08   installing Minecraft mods I didn't do my homework I didn't either I put it like [TS]

00:42:15   in there too thanks more tech related I miss you have an open the Google Chrome [TS]

00:42:20   password [TS]

00:42:22   yes yes it was that was just the iOS tougher was at more now is a desktop or [TS]

00:42:28   chrome I don't read this yet I think we'll get through this passive run [TS]

00:42:34   faster [TS]

00:42:35   microphone till the end so the crime thing I didn't actually read the whole [TS]

00:42:41   story just try to adjust sufficient usually [TS]

00:42:44   if if you have desktop chrome any other preferences advanced and click like [TS]

00:42:49   manage passwords and click on a password [TS]

00:42:52   shows the little dots of the password is little button right next to the show you [TS]

00:42:55   cook the show but it shows you the password in plain text to and people [TS]

00:43:00   don't like that and this Packers thread that have also linked in the soil [TS]

00:43:04   documents show its is one of the some some Google Chrome engineer explained [TS]

00:43:09   the reasoning behind the decision and like any hacker news thread but marcos [TS]

00:43:15   very soon I read a lot of a lot of nerdy nerd violence going on in the soccer [TS]

00:43:20   news directly it's kind of it's kind of the worst news brings out the worst [TS]

00:43:24   standards like this [TS]

00:43:25   the dark side of being a narrative get a bunch of them together like the worst [TS]

00:43:29   part comes out along with the good part sometimes and the reasoning the [TS]

00:43:35   explanation for why that the crime scene decided to do this is definitely a nerd [TS]

00:43:41   explanation explanation those look even if we didn't do that without increasing [TS]

00:43:45   security bill because once you have access to your computer and your login [TS]

00:43:48   like you know securities points came over and gave I want to have a master [TS]

00:43:53   password like Firefox and the you know the tax money just like that doesn't [TS]

00:43:57   actually protect you if you're sitting there in front of the computer and [TS]

00:44:00   you're logged in you can get all this information it's not possible to hide [TS]

00:44:03   information from yourself because you are going to use the information to [TS]

00:44:07   login to websites and you know it's like they are and where they want to give you [TS]

00:44:11   the content but somehow prevent you from getting the content like this across [TS]

00:44:15   purposes and so that reasoning is if we didn't you know by removing that button [TS]

00:44:21   that shows you the plaintext password will be like a blind user making them [TS]

00:44:26   think that it's more secure than it really is a novice user might somehow [TS]

00:44:30   things go to the north to get my password is just a bunch of dots is no [TS]

00:44:33   way they can get that right and that is definitely very nerdy explanation be [TS]

00:44:38   easily just think about it like in the abstract like actually a more or less [TS]

00:44:42   secure effectively the Securities the same so I i want to be technically on a [TS]

00:44:47   summer's gonna leave the button [TS]

00:44:48   you know they get yelled at her news thread by some people to understand the [TS]

00:44:53   security issues that some of them some people's a firefox doesn't understand [TS]

00:44:57   that doesn't help you but also a lot of people who understand that argument and [TS]

00:45:02   just think it's a terrible and I wanted that camp and it's going very well by [TS]

00:45:07   the good nerds showing the good parts of being a nerd and of course the good [TS]

00:45:11   because I agree with the threat of basically saying there's a difference i [TS]

00:45:17   wanna do is like safe like no safe is incredible job of the safest to make it [TS]

00:45:22   time-consuming inconvenient noisy difficult to get in you can always get [TS]

00:45:27   into a safe the same as their to delay you officially long and other issues and [TS]

00:45:32   I think having plaintext passwords visible to anyone who grabs your mouse [TS]

00:45:37   45 seconds is it without a lot of knowledge is it's too easy just like the [TS]

00:45:45   previous easiest way to do it would be go to a website that you want their [TS]

00:45:49   password for led ROC all right click inspect change the tax bill to pass for [TS]

00:45:53   like that requires much more technical knowledge and takes longer than you know [TS]

00:45:59   command comment click click click click click I seen your past work it's just [TS]

00:46:02   too darn easy too fast and that is you know that's what you're trying to do is [TS]

00:46:06   draw a line know it's you can always get to it you're not actually preventing you [TS]

00:46:10   just trying to make the time limit long enough that it's not if i turn my back [TS]

00:46:14   for one second someone grabs on a stick and see my point express that's [TS]

00:46:18   literally how does someone who stands with a mouse you can turn your head talk [TS]

00:46:21   to someone say five words may could have seen your plans expects or no other way [TS]

00:46:25   to get the password is that fast without like you know malware some other no [TS]

00:46:30   actual nerd hack type thing about getting into your computer so I think [TS]

00:46:34   this is a very terrible decision and it just goes to show that security is not a [TS]

00:46:37   black-and-white I think by removing that show but technically speaking you're not [TS]

00:46:40   making any more secure but practically speaking with a big big difference [TS]

00:46:43   between just laying some quick references to see your plaintext [TS]

00:46:48   password in three seconds and requiring them to at least know how you use the [TS]

00:46:51   Web inspector or type something or do something that's beyond the realm of [TS]

00:46:56   just going to settings [TS]

00:46:58   yeah this this is a weird it's just a weird attitude to have toward security [TS]

00:47:05   that this engineers displaying here and I assume the entire did not have [TS]

00:47:13   permission to to write this because if they did their barbed wired Google it's [TS]

00:47:20   all one big it's definitely a nerdy type position because it's like you know I'm [TS]

00:47:27   not actually increasing security by removing [TS]

00:47:29   therefore I won't do it because it's like it's intellectually dishonest [TS]

00:47:32   they're not understand the practical issues like I know that that's you know [TS]

00:47:38   it's like mathematical are black and white and they you know he's not like I [TS]

00:47:43   guess they said they would consider these nuances but didn't even know there [TS]

00:47:46   was some sort of like being dishonest and misleading to the user by doing this [TS]

00:47:50   but it does not hold together like practically speaking that button is a [TS]

00:47:55   problem where it is and how easy it is to get to yeah it's it's kind of like an [TS]

00:48:00   immature attitude to say like well this isn't really gonna help security [TS]

00:48:04   although actually your points are that it kinda does but the only at their [TS]

00:48:08   attitude is we don't think this is really gonna help securities so we're [TS]

00:48:11   not gonna do it [TS]

00:48:12   period like it's the editor having here it kinda sounds like they messed up and [TS]

00:48:17   and they're having a hard time accepting that or or like we debated and discussed [TS]

00:48:22   it for years and if they debated and discussed it for years like maybe the [TS]

00:48:25   people who are on the side of sanity or just tired of arguing with the people [TS]

00:48:30   who are not in control but like you know it just boggles my mind that it's not so [TS]

00:48:37   clear to everybody that this is the wrong decision to make for practical [TS]

00:48:42   reasons I can just you know you should be able to put things into their right [TS]

00:48:46   comes no not actually making it all the more secure but like security is more [TS]

00:48:50   than just like is it a couple yes no it's a continuum and you know there's a [TS]

00:48:55   certain threshold beyond which it's just too darn easy password and many people [TS]

00:49:00   were giving examples of like you know why people might do these malicious type [TS]

00:49:05   things and at like [TS]

00:49:07   this is a threshold like if if there was one bright new compressing your keyboard [TS]

00:49:12   they would all your plaintext passwords up on the screen [TS]

00:49:14   you would never know that but but the Google Latitude that's expressed here is [TS]

00:49:17   like well they get old password anywhere that access to your keyboard so there's [TS]

00:49:21   no harmony leaving a thing about this shows the mall instantly obviously [TS]

00:49:25   extremely time time required matters time and you know skills and going to [TS]

00:49:32   the settings menu and clicking four times is not a very high time or skilled [TS]

00:49:38   barriers just 22 easy we know what's interesting is you know everyone's [TS]

00:49:42   perception of Google in mind to some degree included is that it's a [TS]

00:49:45   collection of unbelievably brave people that are that are all working together [TS]

00:49:49   and this strikes me as the argument made by a bright person like AAA academically [TS]

00:49:56   and academically bright person but not a realist and just like you were saying it [TS]

00:50:01   it it still is a big security hole but but the PhD PhD argues correctly that [TS]

00:50:09   well it's no different than what we're already doing that's just it's a very [TS]

00:50:13   short-sighted you're hanging their hat on academia when when reality is very [TS]

00:50:18   different and it just seems silly and it's it fits well with my my very [TS]

00:50:23   uninformed perception of what Google is definitely I mean honestly and maybe [TS]

00:50:28   this is just me being a little bit little bit tin foil hat but I to me from [TS]

00:50:36   my treat chrome as though it is Google and everything I do and it Google knows [TS]

00:50:43   or can easily get [TS]

00:50:45   hours collecting even though I know that what they do collectors more limited [TS]

00:50:51   than that and I know there is things like chromium like the open source thing [TS]

00:50:54   that has less of their stuff in it but I still generally treat chrome as though [TS]

00:51:00   it is a giant Google application for Google Ad Age's record every night even [TS]

00:51:07   though I know that's not the case but you know that's not entirely untrue or [TS]

00:51:12   some trees is a true that here and there in various things it does so to me like [TS]

00:51:17   Rome is like is like my my Google and Facebook [TS]

00:51:20   kind of silo Park warranty and you know I use Safari for my main browsing and I [TS]

00:51:25   used days chrome for things I know I'm being spied on even though I know those [TS]

00:51:29   companies that match in my opinion and figuring out I'm really the same person [TS]

00:51:32   even Safari III try but I've noticed the crew also because I have this this kind [TS]

00:51:43   of pessimistic attitude towards chrome and the kind of just this defensive [TS]

00:51:48   attitude I also I generally when chrome asked me for keychain access I say no [TS]

00:51:55   and every time you visit any website at all that has a password or chrome or [TS]

00:52:00   probable box I'm not saying hey is your keychain always allow you know and and [TS]

00:52:07   and I clinton over time and it'll keep asking and Alaska like six times for a [TS]

00:52:13   page load to like twitter.com or or Facebook Google or whatever you know [TS]

00:52:17   some people ask a lot obviously chrome for max is clearly misusing the keychain [TS]

00:52:25   API clearly they do I don't think it understand it I think if they don't [TS]

00:52:30   respected I think they you know google has this culture of Engineering [TS]

00:52:35   arrogance which is often earned sometimes not and you know in a max have [TS]

00:52:40   this awesome teaching system that is pretty secure and certainly better than [TS]

00:52:45   a lot of these methods and and and chrome like purposely tried to take it [TS]

00:52:51   like taken over take all the value out of it but yet still have a tunnel system [TS]

00:52:54   that has its own thing on the side of a cross platform that I wanna be tied to [TS]

00:52:59   you know I don't blame him for not having deeper integration because like [TS]

00:53:05   thats that the value in Corona NY access to kitchen at all but they have their [TS]

00:53:11   own way to store these things they wanted to read a little about this [TS]

00:53:13   certainly not going to say all on the Mac all we do is use kitchen was not not [TS]

00:53:17   gonna be the case like the value I seeing chrome is that I know that if I [TS]

00:53:21   go somewhere else [TS]

00:53:23   micro-environment is there too because chrome is not tied to any OS installed [TS]

00:53:27   Chrome on Windows and sign in with my goals [TS]

00:53:29   everything I have all my preferences all my extension is all my tabs on my [TS]

00:53:33   history all my passwords all that stuff on Windows like that's the value that [TS]

00:53:38   was not be the case for Windows so I think you're touching yourself by not [TS]

00:53:46   letting users don't you can use it just let it do its gonna do I don't say [TS]

00:53:51   anything worse about it in terms of being tracked on every like Rome as a [TS]

00:53:56   web browser especially since my default browser but chrome is much more solid [TS]

00:54:05   spend a lot of time in tonight and i dont cited I let it do it on and I'm [TS]

00:54:08   happy when I go to reduce teen singer in the open chrome and like my environment [TS]

00:54:11   is there I wish every part of my computer so when you say your whole [TS]

00:54:16   chrome environment III tree chrome San Marcos but but what do you what he's [TS]

00:54:21   saying that that makes year experience that much better I use extensions Chrome [TS]

00:54:27   extensions and I'm in no way I can use the fulcrum at this point into addicted [TS]

00:54:30   to the extent that I use I like my preferences and you know my bookmarks [TS]

00:54:36   bar my bookmark menu all those little things like when you go to a new machine [TS]

00:54:40   gotta go away especially because crimes preference is a terrible crimes you I is [TS]

00:54:44   not like and it's also nice double whammy against him and I would not want [TS]

00:54:49   to go into that you I every time I was on your machine and configure stuff like [TS]

00:54:54   i dont wanna go in there ever so it's great when I could just sign in with my [TS]

00:54:57   Google I didn't get everything synced up like that's the experience I want to [TS]

00:55:00   have with all my applications with iCloud like a dream of iCloud and all [TS]

00:55:04   the Apple stock just go anywhere sign in with your Apple idea all your stuff and [TS]

00:55:08   awareness of who you are and everything you've ever purchased and all your [TS]

00:55:12   preferences and everything always there with you and that is the start because I [TS]

00:55:15   know extent of my set up a new Mac it sets up some things for me and they're [TS]

00:55:18   getting better about it but it is not like you know like my Chromebook so and [TS]

00:55:23   in the ocean give me the Chromebook sign in with my [TS]

00:55:25   my Google idea and it looks just like my Chromebook [TS]

00:55:29   just credit easier when all your thing is agile web browser but you know that's [TS]

00:55:33   what I was working towards the ocean so it isn't a problem for us [TS]

00:55:37   drop it like it's just as dead body although I will say no legs are filled [TS]

00:55:56   the sharp broken glass everywhere from beer bottles from Lake locals there's no [TS]

00:56:04   waves to eradicate them and ask to you know [TS]

00:56:07   glass there are waves from their own late some boats takes much longer that's [TS]

00:56:13   why I tell you what I'm stealing a line from Kevin James right now but I have [TS]

00:56:18   never screamed louder like more of a little girl then when a piece of seaweed [TS]

00:56:23   from the bottom of the lake touches my feet [TS]

00:56:26   well whatever that stuff freaks me out so hard after dark already at the end of [TS]

00:56:36   the show it's all downhill from here I can talk about Minecraft mods to finish [TS]

00:56:42   it up while I have a feeling that's gonna last while we want to end it here [TS]

00:56:46   and then do minecraft the next episode it could become the topic that we always [TS]

00:56:51   push off to the next episode that can be a thing is there something that case you [TS]

00:56:57   can do to make it a better topic for us to discuss [TS]

00:57:00   you guys should you know about the neighborhood kid and request that you [TS]

00:57:06   install because likely discuss thats not all creepy I just so just go to install [TS]

00:57:13   Minecraft you might have to pay 400 you know now that the fast as they can [TS]

00:57:19   afford it and pick them up like you know I can send you can send you the name [TS]

00:57:26   that's what you get from a kid like I want that whatever like the kids [TS]

00:57:29   discover these mods by watching YouTube videos youtube videos show someone [TS]

00:57:33   playing hey look this cool new mod you can do this you can do that [TS]

00:57:35   watches videos say I wanted [TS]

00:57:37   do that and all you got to go on as the YouTube video and you just mentioned the [TS]

00:57:41   name of the models like the video video podcast nothing but I'm YouTube YouTube [TS]

00:57:46   channel where every week that's ok I hear this new model checking out and do [TS]

00:57:50   some stuff with it and it's a show so not all of them have shown a link to say [TS]

00:57:55   if you're interested in fact most of them don't so you just have a name like [TS]

00:57:59   I want the whatever mod and given those two pieces of information that minecraft [TS]

00:58:03   exists that is a youtube video that shows someone using a spot and a kid [TS]

00:58:07   wants that mod go and see how long it takes you to successfully get that mod [TS]

00:58:12   and america is this why there is infinite minecraft related spam on the [TS]

00:58:18   App Store I don't know why I quite understand what has happen to it could [TS]

00:58:25   be like a broken windows type thing where minecraft is very popular it's [TS]

00:58:28   been around for a long time at a certain point people stop texting the windows [TS]

00:58:31   and so now just like all of them knocked out by stones maybe I don't know I mean [TS]

00:58:36   look we're going to now [TS]

00:58:39   alright yeah I got time I gotta go to the podcast in half an hour but busy man [TS]

00:58:45   transition so popular [TS]

00:58:48   Minecraft mods the problem with my grandmother when I complained about [TS]

00:58:55   where a little bit in my head around to it because I didn't actually want anyone [TS]

00:58:59   to like help and I didn't have my dad didn't want was like people to think [TS]

00:59:03   that it was like a technical issue it is totally not a technology-based issue is [TS]

00:59:08   a social community based issue that's not the problem my grandmas and that is [TS]

00:59:13   the essential thing to understand about them that it's not difficulty in doing [TS]

00:59:17   some of your computers or or like you know software that's buggy or anything [TS]

00:59:23   like that is completely insane what happens when they're there is chaos and [TS]

00:59:28   anarchy in the community like another broken windows thing we're just you know [TS]

00:59:31   no one is repairing every instance in shambles and also looks a lot like like [TS]

00:59:37   Lord of the Flies we're just a bunch of kids on an island and just leave for [TS]

00:59:40   like two months and then you come back and it's just you know flies like the [TS]

00:59:44   entire community has been run by young children I don't think it really is run [TS]

00:59:50   by young children I think minecraft is played by the same kind demographics [TS]

00:59:53   plays all games which is quite like the average like thirty-year-old person or [TS]

00:59:56   something seems like it's from my kids so here's the problem if you got [TS]

01:00:02   minecraft like you can go to the mine craft store you know I dot com wherever [TS]

01:00:07   it is by minecraft download it even happened on can you explain for those of [TS]

01:00:12   us who don't know what minecraft is what minecraft is a friend I'm asking for a [TS]

01:00:18   friend that's his name might also be Casey minecraft is but briefly it's [TS]

01:00:23   organized it's a voxel based game boxes are in Sun member member comanche on the [TS]

01:00:35   PC Marco [TS]

01:00:36   foxholes you make a bunch of cubes and the cubes come in different materials [TS]

01:00:43   and their materials have properties and they start you off with a procedurally [TS]

01:00:49   generated world with grass and water and mountains and stuff like that and you [TS]

01:00:53   can get a little cubes to make them disappear or your use keeps making more [TS]

01:00:59   kids so it's like like I was going all the way goes our cubes and they're made [TS]

01:01:02   of different materials and directly to the water on lava and different things [TS]

01:01:06   like that so how do you win the appeal of the game is like it's like a sandbox [TS]

01:01:10   game like literally like there's a survival mode where you can go in your [TS]

01:01:13   house in like these enemies that come out of nineteen have to defend against [TS]

01:01:16   them and fight them by clicking on them or whatever and then there's other modes [TS]

01:01:20   where you're just like you don't have any health or life you're just there [TS]

01:01:22   like playing in the beginning Lagos and what you wanna do you want you want to [TS]

01:01:26   build things you know you wanna build structures may also architecture and dig [TS]

01:01:29   into the ground and mine for minerals and rules and make structures [TS]

01:01:34   underground and do it do all sorts of very interesting things it's totally a [TS]

01:01:36   sandbox game so you like it because its combination of Legos and GameCube I [TS]

01:01:40   don't play it I don't have to know that it's not really for me to put kids like [TS]

01:01:45   in my son really [TS]

01:01:45   so that's the game and the mods you know alter the behavior of the game like this [TS]

01:01:54   certain amount of like things you can put on your personal alarm that gives [TS]

01:01:59   you different you know armed with special abilities like armor lets you [TS]

01:02:02   glider flyer jump higher [TS]

01:02:04   Mazda give you a larger explosives have TNT and the game but if you want [TS]

01:02:08   something and make it even bigger explosion or not they give you new [TS]

01:02:11   enemies instead of just the regular zombies and creepers are going around [TS]

01:02:14   you can get a different kind of right so that's what the big miles do it wants to [TS]

01:02:17   right now accepted or or like an extension or is it the sort of thing [TS]

01:02:23   where you would get like some hypothetically if you were young and [TS]

01:02:27   couldn't afford things you would get a patched so that you wouldn't have to [TS]

01:02:31   register game pay for the game like just like her saying we're just getting the [TS]

01:02:38   game itself like nothing I just want to buy this game and played an iMac even [TS]

01:02:42   that was not a great experience until recently and even outside right like i [TS]

01:02:47   right when I first bought the game you get an icon in your application folder [TS]

01:02:50   double-click it doesn't work like that's not a good just like the game does not [TS]

01:02:55   launch and like all this permission errors and if you had the older version [TS]

01:02:59   you have to go and chmod something or you know it turned out being faster for [TS]

01:03:03   me to just like run the jar files from the command line using the java command [TS]

01:03:08   line things to get the game started please their rapper thing didn't work [TS]

01:03:10   right so right rather that is not a great experience just the game itself [TS]

01:03:13   seriously by game I downloaded the app little a bike on a double click the game [TS]

01:03:18   doesn't launch you know this is not against not like version one of the game [TS]

01:03:22   Minecraft been out for years by the type I installed on it just didn't work out [TS]

01:03:27   so how was your son to play this if they experience was that bad already I would [TS]

01:03:32   have expected you would have said son I'm sorry but this just doesn't cut the [TS]

01:03:35   mustard you put up with a lot of alibi put up with Windows to replace [TS]

01:03:41   just want begins glad I didn't you know this was years ago it was like years [TS]

01:03:46   after the game and come out but for now and I plan around then it wasn't that I [TS]

01:03:52   i think i sorry begins like it seems like the 505 minecraft server with a [TS]

01:03:56   dude [TS]

01:03:56   giant version of my head floating in the sky so I went in there around that and [TS]

01:04:02   that was fun but I don't actually play so my son's friends are into it and you [TS]

01:04:07   know i play minecraft michael has already paid for half or so and then he [TS]

01:04:13   starts watching YouTube videos of a month as can I have like the you know [TS]

01:04:16   the armor movement mod which gives you some armor stuff that lets you move [TS]

01:04:22   stuff like that [TS]

01:04:24   as I hear what are you talking about YouTube video actually did have a lynx [TS]

01:04:30   it was like blah blah I scroll down a little to text underneath the video and [TS]

01:04:35   has links like download the mod here you need to have this installed first and [TS]

01:04:41   get a link to it you like this it's on a problem so it may take you to forums and [TS]

01:04:46   that's that's a bad sign number one thing you end up in a forum that's [TS]

01:04:51   that's a bad sign and so I quickly learned that mods are not a feature of [TS]

01:04:56   the game like a lot of games are built with the intention that you're going to [TS]

01:05:00   modify like they supported this ok if you want to use the API you can do here [TS]

01:05:04   to hold you put in put stuff on their animal life minecraft is not like that [TS]

01:05:08   where trust of all bad along by 12 so clear that module something the [TS]

01:05:12   community wants to do with this game that is you know you would imagine that [TS]

01:05:16   any other game developer would love the fact that people are nodding the game's [TS]

01:05:19   not like I dunno supported as a fishery supported feature of the game because [TS]

01:05:23   clearly that's what people want to do but nope nope they're not going to [TS]

01:05:27   support that so your very first problem is that you're trying to model game that [TS]

01:05:31   doesn't want to be modest and that is always going to be gross and ugly and I [TS]

01:05:35   guess that is a job again so the process of modding is usually because of the [TS]

01:05:40   technical carbon is not difficult although you would think it's the end of [TS]

01:05:45   the world if you go around for a while so you just get a bunch of other job [TS]

01:05:53   crap in there too moderate you take some other job file and open it up take its [TS]

01:05:59   contents thrown inside the Minecraft [TS]

01:06:02   backup and rename it does your dad is the testing process of modding minecraft [TS]

01:06:08   usually what you wanna do is make install modloader that's like to do one [TS]

01:06:13   mod that you shove into the minecraft jar file that lets you load up their [TS]

01:06:16   minds they don't have to shut down there anymore or something like that and so if [TS]

01:06:20   you google around for how to install the whatever not as a million YouTube videos [TS]

01:06:25   of these are mostly kids like talking to the built-in mic showing you a [TS]

01:06:29   screencast then windows xp opening up zip files and dragging files from unless [TS]

01:06:34   there's a bunch of people doing an IMAX to showing you how to right click and [TS]

01:06:37   open you know and drag things around it like that one of the videos are some kid [TS]

01:06:42   doing an America that goes on Tiger something really ancient version of us [TS]

01:06:46   down this is the best part of this video and this is another thing about how real [TS]

01:06:51   people interact with technology he was dragging like from you no one comes you [TS]

01:06:56   doing to another and a lot of these mods like replace files but come with [TS]

01:07:04   Minecraft and seek the dialogue says you know his name already exists Iran to [TS]

01:07:09   replace it ever got stuck with the options over the check box in the corner [TS]

01:07:13   it says you know answers to the rest of the prophecy 2012 clicking the button he [TS]

01:07:16   says in the video you can cook this check box by like to cook it [TS]

01:07:20   individually for each one just in case that whole idea that the check the [TS]

01:07:25   checkbox is not trustworthy like it is you are taking matters into your own [TS]

01:07:29   hands and wresting control from the evil mysterious computer by clicking the [TS]

01:07:34   button menu each time versus having that checkbox anything fun ones because in [TS]

01:07:38   one case like it's desperation for control to steal light you are in [TS]

01:07:42   control the system is i click the button 100 times these 100 files I'm in control [TS]

01:07:47   check box and click the button I have no idea what it's going to do with those [TS]

01:07:50   hundred miles maybe it won't forget to do it that's how real people relate to [TS]

01:07:54   computers like i've seen this is an amazing Instagram was a kid but I don't [TS]

01:08:00   think it's important just kids that is the technical process that is the part [TS]

01:08:05   that I had the lease problem because you know whatever I can do that [TS]

01:08:09   800 different ways [TS]

01:08:10   difficult part was everything else finding where to download this thing [TS]

01:08:16   from doubt successfully downloading the thing that those two separate forum [TS]

01:08:24   posts and like maybe it's like a sticky post and it hosts the top constantly [TS]

01:08:27   updated or is the most recent version of the bottom right having to redo the [TS]

01:08:30   whole tried to figure all that stuff out then when you get there to downloaded [TS]

01:08:36   you click on a link that takes you to one of those like you know scam download [TS]

01:08:40   sites it's like you know 800 download buns free download download download a [TS]

01:08:47   bunch of times like seven layers deep in the survey recapture yeah I would say [TS]

01:08:54   the majority of those do not eventually lead to an actual down know right so you [TS]

01:08:58   know you're just angry right and what I'm thinking processes minecraft is [TS]

01:09:03   insanely popular game this is obviously a very popular mod how is there not like [TS]

01:09:08   a dot org site [TS]

01:09:09   damn Squarespace site as the official home for the armor movement mod for [TS]

01:09:13   Minecraft official website that would say sharon is don't you know your Google [TS]

01:09:19   for you find a million hits likes you know keyword spamming and like the [TS]

01:09:23   keywords like you know download minecraft our movement mod like people [TS]

01:09:27   are camped out at like crazy with things done nothing to do with it like you know [TS]

01:09:30   the Google results are useless and they're like you come to realize there [TS]

01:09:34   is no official site for these mods there's not like the people who make [TS]

01:09:37   these can't be bothered to put up a single website that is like here is the [TS]

01:09:40   mod here are the pier here is download link hear the birds like that just [TS]

01:09:43   doesn't exist for the most part and you would think ok while the sites to [TS]

01:09:46   compile these models together like a modern management like kind of sorta but [TS]

01:09:51   those suck too and the next problem is that you successfully now on something [TS]

01:09:54   which you really need to know is not just like her sit down with what are the [TS]

01:09:58   prerequisites what do I need to make this model work doesn't work with [TS]

01:10:01   certain version of Minecraft joining something else to be installed first [TS]

01:10:04   whatever you do not need to be installed all these details do not exist because [TS]

01:10:08   every single person doing these mods goldfish forgets things after seven [TS]

01:10:13   seconds like this is a video about it and forget it and you can read the tea [TS]

01:10:20   leaves and say when [TS]

01:10:21   this was posted according to Wikipedia the most recent version of Minecraft and [TS]

01:10:27   the guest this guy had been stalled most recent version if you take those files [TS]

01:10:32   and jamming into the jar that's the wrong person is not working I think will [TS]

01:10:35   crash on startup forever and they will not tell you this they will not tell you [TS]

01:10:40   what you need and most of them say you need to install modloader or forge [TS]

01:10:45   requires modloader afford another four never liked hanging there was something [TS]

01:10:49   everybody already have them installed had no problem finally go ahead and [TS]

01:10:54   Google for minecraft mod loader minecraft or define a million hits a [TS]

01:10:58   month down once again you don't know which ones those park and then you like [TS]

01:11:01   ok this one says I found something this one says it works at my current version [TS]

01:11:05   1.5 point one where can I get my version 1.5 don't want you think you go to the [TS]

01:11:09   Minecraft man microsite and get it and you can kinda sorta do that but not [TS]

01:11:12   really because they've really hide the old versions down there and then you're [TS]

01:11:15   like ok well this is gonna be up on the web summer I should be able to find one [TS]

01:11:19   going to 5.1 or two or three whatever download somewhere and so you're hunting [TS]

01:11:22   around just to find the review minecraft and there are millions are not this time [TS]

01:11:27   you down on them they just a bunch of his or mislabeled where you find out the [TS]

01:11:31   jar file is actually one point six point two not one point 5.2 that's another [TS]

01:11:36   incredibly problem I can nominate people keyword spamming or like our movement [TS]

01:11:41   mod for Minecraft one point six point to which is a total lie because the thing [TS]

01:11:46   downloadable from there will not work with 1.6 going to as evidence of you can [TS]

01:11:50   do what you do comments people saying doesn't work one point six change the [TS]

01:11:53   comment is really works at 1.5 like it is a terrible may use of lives and bad [TS]

01:12:00   downloads and no help from anyone in there is no safe haven there's no clean [TS]

01:12:04   well lit place we're going with these things are and you would think alike [TS]

01:12:08   again as popular as minecraft at this point you would launch minecraft maybe [TS]

01:12:12   like it like App Store in the freaking game it would only show you the mods you [TS]

01:12:17   can load you click on them and they will automatically install like you would [TS]

01:12:20   think at this point that's how I would have gotten but years and years and [TS]

01:12:23   development have just led to this it's it's like giant chaotic mess of crap and [TS]

01:12:29   it is not gotten better maybe there was a golden age for like the world fell and [TS]

01:12:33   and everything crumbled to dust and but I didn't experience the time now is just [TS]

01:12:37   a big giant mess and really everybody involved in this [TS]

01:12:41   did what they required to get this thing to work on the David posted at three [TS]

01:12:44   years ago and that's all they care about everything else is lost in the sands of [TS]

01:12:48   time so I saw my time trying to guess where can I get the file the first of [TS]

01:12:53   all what what version of Mycoplasma to work with second of all can I get that [TS]

01:13:00   version of Minecraft third putting that version of the mod internet version of [TS]

01:13:04   Minecraft and running and see if it works of course there's no real [TS]

01:13:07   indication for a lot of these things like especially when I'm trying to get [TS]

01:13:09   my letter authority installed it does seem to work when crash break until four [TS]

01:13:15   excessively and like my daughter for Jean ok I think I successfully installed [TS]

01:13:19   these things how do I install a mod the motorsports people won't tell you you [TS]

01:13:25   can find instructions like I just after you install them just just throw the [TS]

01:13:27   mods inside your Minecraft but other ones like all the mods folder in there [TS]

01:13:31   all the instructions reference outdated structures of Minecraft different this [TS]

01:13:35   is a whole other menagerie of Minecraft launchers of ways to launch the [TS]

01:13:39   Minecraft program that are also third-party applications apparently [TS]

01:13:42   doesn't work on a change how long should work within 1.5 1.6 and there are many [TS]

01:13:46   many miles on it works for earlier versions it is a problem of community [TS]

01:13:52   and society and organization and it just shows how how terrible like it makes [TS]

01:13:59   Linux package rendering look like paradise but that's because it makes [TS]

01:14:05   rpms look like the promised land because it is unbelievably terrible and it [TS]

01:14:11   boggles my mind that it is not gotten better so this is like a cautionary tale [TS]

01:14:15   for anyone who wants to have any kind of community and all the game [TS]

01:14:18   do not let your game community do not know what ever happened to them I [TS]

01:14:22   happened to your game community because it is it's a good analogy but it's like [TS]

01:14:27   it's like a terrible plague virus has destroyed that community filled with [TS]

01:14:32   sadness and anger children and frustrated parents [TS]

01:14:35   gonna have to ask you do you enjoy installing a new Minecraft martyred you [TS]

01:14:42   find it to be a little bit frustrating I can build up a certain level of [TS]

01:14:46   expertise I know where all the bodies are buried in stuff like that at this [TS]

01:14:50   point I know my son asked me if I want to disclose its last month I couldn't [TS]

01:14:56   find the money was talking about the video didn't have any linked site on [TS]

01:14:59   lots of mods with the word explosive in them I picked one to look like a [TS]

01:15:02   reasonable download link that went to run of the scam sites where I know the [TS]

01:15:05   seven places you have to click to actually get the download I did that for [TS]

01:15:08   two months one of just cause of the crash on launch I'm not sure if I had [TS]

01:15:12   the wrong person again I had the version that said that I needed I was but the [TS]

01:15:16   fact that it said that any advertising anything because like you know it said [TS]

01:15:19   needs one point where it is it the official website please not now some [TS]

01:15:23   random scam Google Keyword page no 11 probably didn't even write that like [TS]

01:15:27   there is no canonical source for information about any of these things I [TS]

01:15:30   just all trial and error someone totally didn't work at all cause them to crash [TS]

01:15:34   another one only work when I installed another mod again cross not [TS]

01:15:38   competitively forget about that but a glimmer in the communities I have no [TS]

01:15:42   conflict resolution ones that are otherwise I have this this thing that [TS]

01:15:47   lets you make a tree instance minecraft is a here's an entirely new instance of [TS]

01:15:50   Minecraft of a particular version and then you could screw with that once they [TS]

01:15:53   have tools that are trying to manage this chaos but the wrong way like we [TS]

01:15:57   will duplicate your entire world so you can start off with that and knowing [TS]

01:16:00   state and screwed up and then throw that away so I really don't want to exploit [TS]

01:16:05   mods installed you know I have two thoughts on this firstly I I am genuine [TS]

01:16:11   all kidding aside I'm genuinely stunned that you're so willing to take code from [TS]

01:16:16   random places and drop it on your computer and run it and just go on faith [TS]

01:16:22   that something screw things up like how does not freak you out doesn't have [TS]

01:16:29   local filesystem a custom-designed [TS]

01:16:31   it could be totally rooting the like just be stealing every one of my files [TS]

01:16:35   my passwords but like seriously the competence level [TS]

01:16:39   communities is such that now we're could not successfully propagated be sorted by [TS]

01:16:45   Byzantine maze and crappy download pages and everything so I'm assuming I'm not [TS]

01:16:50   be a call so then the truth comes out also it only have access to your [TS]

01:16:58   passwords and chrome now have access to everything on my way home director of [TS]

01:17:08   anything like i download any any game like you know in the preamp story in the [TS]

01:17:12   post that story to application you downloaded ago its shareware whatever [TS]

01:17:16   from some random place and you run it but in practice that is extremely rare [TS]

01:17:21   and has not happened and that's what backups and Sam boxing is not helping [TS]

01:17:27   you know what this reminds me of perhaps this is in the best comparison the world [TS]

01:17:33   and John you won't understand the strong I don't believe because this is a piece [TS]

01:17:36   PC thing but Marco I don't know if you remember Kali ka Li from way back in the [TS]

01:17:41   day but I never had it though but I do remember ok so what this product [TS]

01:17:46   Comanche County was saying that it would it would take it would take the internet [TS]

01:17:56   and it would make the internet be emulated as an IPX whatever whatever [TS]

01:18:01   network a little light on the details cuz my memories crummy but the idea was [TS]

01:18:05   all of these old da schemes or perhaps early Windows games were designed to be [TS]

01:18:10   multiplayer based on IPX networks which was some style of local network and what [TS]

01:18:16   this but Kelly would do was it would break the Internet as an IPX network so [TS]

01:18:22   basically what this means is games are not designed to be played on the [TS]

01:18:25   internet and descent one was a great example of this you could then play over [TS]

01:18:29   the Internet Cali not only would create this kind of tunnel for lack of a better [TS]

01:18:33   word but on top of that it would also let you manage we would like to view [TS]

01:18:40   servers it would like to join game so take I don't remember of quake once [TS]

01:18:44   supported internet play or not but I believe it did not [TS]

01:18:50   well maybe it was just early Quaker we made it wasn't quite on me was doomed [TS]

01:18:56   doomed doomed to over take IPX on the Mac version of doom true was compatible [TS]

01:19:03   with the PC version through like it was a Byzantine you know they would have to [TS]

01:19:08   use the IPX never had to use Cali and then the Mac version do whatever it's [TS]

01:19:12   doing it through modems and it was not a good experience but it worked right so [TS]

01:19:17   it's at the point of driving at though is that here's a situation where Kelly [TS]

01:19:21   was a standalone app that was to the best of my knowledge not all supported [TS]

01:19:26   by any of them many many many many games that that it supported so Cali was a [TS]

01:19:31   complete third party hack but it was really well done and you could find [TS]

01:19:36   servers you could find games you could find rooms if you will and it was really [TS]

01:19:41   awesome I remember losing so much my time playing descent one against people [TS]

01:19:46   on the internet over like crummy 56 KX two connections reviews even before that [TS]

01:19:53   whatever was it was terrible I had a Thrustmaster joystick that I'll never [TS]

01:19:57   forget used what it did was he would plug your keyboard into the Thrustmaster [TS]

01:20:02   which by the way had to be the big fat keyboard connection up the small ps2 [TS]

01:20:06   connection then he would plug the Thrustmaster into your computer and you [TS]

01:20:10   can run this app in das that would let you configure the nine hundred and fifty [TS]

01:20:14   buttons on the Thrustmaster to emulate keyboard keys so I thought I was hot [TS]

01:20:18   crap because I could play descent basically on the joystick without having [TS]

01:20:22   to hit 350 keyboard keys to the point of driving out is it was really well done [TS]

01:20:27   in really well orchestrated for something that was not at all supported [TS]

01:20:31   and so it's surprising to me that minecraft isn't especially in this day [TS]

01:20:36   in age where self-management is so much easier it's it's surprising to me that [TS]

01:20:41   that the Minecraft world is such a wild wild west minecraft would be better if [TS]

01:20:46   it was a dice game because in the dock space like you said one guy would make [TS]

01:20:50   some sort of modloader thing and they would see what kind of deal to see the [TS]

01:20:53   community through like PBS as in people [TS]

01:20:55   floppy disk rating right [TS]

01:20:56   they wouldn't be in nine of them and you know that have to be careful because I [TS]

01:21:00   can update people so the version you go and probably work and it'd be like three [TS]

01:21:04   possible versions in circulation and that would be the one that everybody [TS]

01:21:07   uses and they'd be like five or six miles on the BBs and they would all work [TS]

01:21:11   and I'll be used you wouldn't have this problem like the problem is that it's [TS]

01:21:14   like the complete responsibility of children combined with the the clear [TS]

01:21:19   lawlessness and huge reach of the Internet service just spam explosion [TS]

01:21:25   crappy download sides kids YouTube videos no official site's ranking which [TS]

01:21:31   is boggles my mind like the official page a lot of these mods for continuous [TS]

01:21:36   updates with the top post in a sticky thread of like with his latest version [TS]

01:21:40   since it's just it is it really amazing and especially in the modern age or any [TS]

01:21:45   real game has like you know a real supported built-in system for my worst [TS]

01:21:51   case folder you throw a bunch of things and then it just loads done just opening [TS]

01:21:55   up jar files and putting stuff in your complete version compatibility no system [TS]

01:21:58   for sorting that out no conflict resolution and really really shocking [TS]

01:22:04   litre so what you're saying is you really like it I think we're seeing is [TS]

01:22:11   this is your next appt idea you would you were saying last appt ideas and now [TS]

01:22:16   this is clearly a major problem that no one's adequately salting here to your [TS]

01:22:21   standards of the most part it's unsolvable to my standards because the [TS]

01:22:26   way things set up and there's a million applications try to help you with each [TS]

01:22:29   of those applications is exactly the same problems that they're trying to [TS]

01:22:32   solve it work and you know where to get it from and what you do when you get it [TS]

01:22:39   in just a million repetitions of instructions on how to zip and unzip [TS]

01:22:43   files like that's not the problem everyone knows how to do that a couple [TS]

01:22:49   people on Twitter did send me helpful links for like here's the thing that I [TS]

01:22:53   used to mention the most of them were terrible artillery try but one of them [TS]

01:22:56   actually did work for one mile that I was doing [TS]

01:22:58   in another work for different not like seventeen versions of Minecraft all in [TS]

01:23:02   various states of disrepair just so I have a chance to put like okay well this [TS]

01:23:06   model try to shove into that one and this one will use this this thing and [TS]

01:23:09   all this when I use this launcher obligation and this one is likely in one [TS]

01:23:12   point six with ya is it is probably the worst experience I've ever had and that [TS]

01:23:18   is including you know updating any embattled house and make a special boot [TS]

01:23:22   floppy disks of my friends PC I guess I love that for the last 26 minutes case [TS]

01:23:29   and I have said almost nothing and this is like 11 like saved bottled up around [TS]

01:23:35   that you've been likely been waiting for months I've calmed way down about I was [TS]

01:23:42   living like this has been a week since when did this happen and we just save it [TS]

01:23:47   and I i mellowed out significantly there that night especially if you've gotten [TS]

01:23:53   to the point where I had yet to be successful because I spent several [TS]

01:23:55   nights with nothing to show for it just like a series of broken minecraft jars [TS]

01:23:59   you know that's that's all I had and you know that anyone who's like tactical air [TS]

01:24:03   like you just so pissed like you know because the problem is not likely I know [TS]

01:24:07   you can't give me a damn downlink you can't tell me what I need [TS]

01:24:12   how can I tell whether it's working what do I need to do for this what version [TS]

01:24:15   does it work with you know all that stuff after you fight through the [TS]

01:24:19   download page to get downloads like exe files this is the version I would love [TS]

01:24:28   to see the borders and goodness knows when you're trying to remain calm like [TS]

01:24:34   Marco can get to leave you trying to remain calm for your kid right you don't [TS]

01:24:38   want him to see the price is not his fault that you can install this mod [TS]

01:24:40   right but he's also saying [TS]

01:24:48   I think we should probably rapid I think we're done well John would would you [TS]

01:24:54   like to add anything else I'm sitting here waiting from here for you john if [TS]

01:25:01   there's anything else you'd like to add is anything else you'd like to complain [TS]

01:25:03   about not today I got a good enough I guess that's a slut or to sponsor this [TS]

01:25:10   week 23 and me and Squarespace and we'll see you next week now this show they [TS]

01:25:20   didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental john Kasay [TS]

01:25:33   because it was a fun show no al that's Casey list and Markel [TS]

01:26:16   know after show time for today that is five minutes into things really quickly [TS]

01:26:27   how's your view that good that's hard sound-bite right there it's like I want [TS]

01:26:35   to be more like today was the first building Mavericks that I believe [TS]

01:26:45   release that had one of the major applications that they advertised as the [TS]

01:26:50   pace right here and they didn't get the release number right in the release [TS]

01:26:54   notes said keep in mind that preview for below-market rate this is the first I've [TS]

01:27:00   preview notes that I guess you just copied and pasted on your comp in cases [TS]

01:27:04   like the known issues from the previous notes are not making progress so I know [TS]

01:27:07   when this thing but it makes review writing slow-going do you think given [TS]

01:27:13   the given the Developer Preview state do you think it releases imminent they said [TS]

01:27:21   fall four starts in september twenty-second they reiterated phone call [TS]

01:27:25   so that you know I was wearing call waiting for your they said they fall [TS]

01:27:31   again so I'm guessing all of the pending computer updates are waiting for this [TS]

01:27:37   like I'm guessing the Mac Pro and the new MacBook Pros and maybe other MacBook [TS]

01:27:43   Pros maybe even a Mac Mini probably eventually an iMac I but these are all [TS]

01:27:47   being held up by Mavericks tickets could be held up as well things are screens [TS]

01:27:54   who knows what they like [TS]

01:27:56   progress is slow like I just tried I just got to either dictation sections [TS]

01:28:01   aircraft now let me try this dictation thing didn't work at all now did not put [TS]

01:28:06   my word that I said into the doctor didn't put other words in the document [TS]

01:28:11   microphones at all levels going up and down [TS]

01:28:19   it makes it slow director like I want to make progress and yet how can I write [TS]

01:28:24   anything when things are broken [TS]

01:28:26   110 we hang up on you because friend of the show Jason Snell is actually in the [TS]

01:28:34   chatroom being extremely patient but let's hang up on John and then mark I [TS]

01:28:39   don't know if you have anything bad but I don't mind hanging on for a few if [TS]

01:28:42   you'd like to talk we can talk about john was gone [TS]

01:28:46   title right that's how you win we just wait him out so we have to give up in [TS]

01:28:54   yield us so don't ruin it for everyone I know jason is calling me all right they [TS]

01:29:02   would I love so so for the for the secret life listeners that are under NDA [TS]

01:29:13   Casey sent me the screenshot of fast text under I was seven now I'm not going [TS]

01:29:18   to share with them get that would be a violation of trust however I don't want [TS]

01:29:24   to give away secrets of the much-anticipated fast 2007 update but I [TS]

01:29:29   love this is so you unintentionally that you are running it in the 3.5 inch [TS]

01:29:36   iPhone is it in it you know I hope I didn't know if it was like breaking in [TS]

01:29:43   da by even showing that in so I probably is but nobody cares right here's what [TS]

01:29:50   we're gonna do so imma put in the chat and chat room you not gonna shared [TS]

01:29:53   anywhere else right we all agree chat room to go right onto Casey rumors dot [TS]

01:29:58   com [TS]

01:29:59   right onto case you don't know any of the terms agreeing with me so maybe I [TS]

01:30:04   won't do anything I can do whatever whatever everyone agrees that there we [TS]

01:30:09   got like four people that's enough that's not that's gorham alright [TS]

01:30:14   everyone everyone lie to me and tell me how beautiful it is and so it doesn't [TS]

01:30:19   that's what I've been saying is that it actually looks pretty good because it's [TS]

01:30:23   alright so I think I'm thinking maybe all [TS]

01:30:27   maybe I'll throw a team color on it like a badass and call today I was so I am [TS]

01:30:34   doing this stage of my app development and building like the basics of the UI [TS]

01:30:39   and I'm Way behind development like I have been doing the data layer the same [TS]

01:30:42   player now doing like the basics of AUI very very beginnings and like I wrote my [TS]

01:30:48   first view controller yesterday for this project that's that's how how far along [TS]

01:30:52   I am but like looking at this iowa 77 like you know I don't really want to do [TS]

01:30:59   anything different here because this all looks really good I want to look like [TS]

01:31:05   this in so on the one side I'm like man I feel like any time you use raw UIKit [TS]

01:31:10   you're copping out but on the other side I'm not sad not to my own formula really [TS]

01:31:16   don't have much to do with this but I don't think it looks bad but it really [TS]

01:31:19   does look pretty good yeah really and you know I like I you know I'm sure in a [TS]

01:31:25   year to anything that looks like this will probably have to have some more [TS]

01:31:28   design work put into it but I think I'd rather like this for a year exactly I [TS]

01:31:34   really like and plus I customizing stuff gets easier that were released his first [TS]

01:31:38   appearance stuff and then like I think came in five and got better and six and [TS]

01:31:44   even better by a little bit and 77 it was cool new UI kit stuff like [TS]

01:31:48   customizing the appearance getting easier with every last release and like [TS]

01:31:53   this I think we comply with this really easily four-year [TS]

01:31:56   be awesome you know not every app is gonna be updated immediately [TS]

01:32:01   in fact I would say we're in for a pretty uncomfortably ugly and awkward [TS]

01:32:07   face similar to like browsing the web on retina MacBook Pro you know what I mean [TS]

01:32:13   I don't know if I don't know what that's like Marco cuz I'm using a pedestrian hi [TS]

01:32:18   res antiglare MacBook Pro you picture and and a 3.5 inch iPhone some [TS]

01:32:25   so funny so heavy and thick oh so ample and the TAT said adding a bunch of you [TS]

01:32:31   like it dynamic same note I don't know if you've used fast tax when you send a [TS]

01:32:36   text a little green box pops up that says hey you know you've gone ahead and [TS]

01:32:40   sent it successfully [TS]

01:32:42   well just for grins and giggles on the way back from WDC I definitely change [TS]

01:32:45   that from from from going from like one by one picks on the Senators center of [TS]

01:32:50   the screen to something so their order of $100 hundred so it seems in if you [TS]

01:32:54   will what I did on the way home was from from WDC as I changed it to be full size [TS]

01:33:00   drop in the drops in from the top in like bounces on the bottom you know [TS]

01:33:06   using UIKit dynamics gravity and then eventually falls off the bottom and it [TS]

01:33:11   was really fun to do and it looks like crap it takes way too long but it was a [TS]

01:33:16   lot of fun to write that that's why we're gonna be in for a rough time I [TS]

01:33:20   think without playing a bit too much but I had no reason to do it but I was gonna [TS]

01:33:25   let me try some of that and it was terrible but what else we have to talk [TS]

01:33:34   about anything I think we should be totally making fun of John are saying [TS]

01:33:38   terrible things about Johnson's he's not here to defend himself but he's a nice [TS]

01:33:42   guy we can release I now know what we concluded with titles we don't trust [TS]

01:33:47   mister joystick [TS]

01:33:49   it's really good faith trust mister I mean was that not the most ridiculous [TS]

01:33:56   name for a company in the world that's why Thrustmaster joystick has to be our [TS]

01:33:59   title I mean come on and so on a completely unrelated note I know that I [TS]

01:34:07   have made it in the world and this link I'm about to post in the chat confirms [TS]

01:34:12   that I now have a parody account nice my work here is done this is my last [TS]

01:34:18   episode of ATP I have accomplished all that there is to accomplish I'm done and [TS]

01:34:24   I would drop my rode podcaster for wasn't so damn expensive and mounted on [TS]

01:34:28   it and stuck to something [TS]