The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► he's a nice guy I just hope he has a good voice that's how we use sound to [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► other ppl Marcos gives you a glimpse of what it must be like for people who are [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► the people in it but I didn't say it to the people who hate us this is exactly [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► how we found all nobody hates you John desko not really should look at my email [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► there believe me but ok there's a different dates you incur Xu you do [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► realize I know well how are you going to know what the uncertainty about the [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► release day and you know like you could be could be any day now or never thought [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► it was well I rode up to the are you guys may agree that we should just start [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► editing and copyediting this even though it's not done done like we're still [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► doing battery tests and getting results and still waiting for education to work [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► and stuff I am still waiting for pricing information but like what's there to [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► start going through it now so it's it's uploaded and in the process of being [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► edited copy edited what there is a bit I'm just gonna get away that mean you [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► hope they're going to give you a nice small notice about when it can be [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► released but they could just say and here it is shipping now knows what [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► they'll do it third obviously their plans don't factor in the quality of [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► life people writing reviews because that's really know their list [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you can make a call to one of your like birdies or something [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► birdies and besides like nobody knows this anyway I type of thing that like [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► the price and ship date are the type of things you can change right at the last [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► minute like you don't need to bring in advance notice for any things they could [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► hold that they can keep it you know me it's not all both both muslims are known [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► to such a small group of people sound like he was not given the name of the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► product which has to be in marketing materials everything that I guess [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► pricing and market shares a little bit but the hard they are any marking [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► material is going to be on the App Store so just waiting on you don't leave you [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► sound beaten but were not be nice and say you sound battered but not be it's [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► not this is not a fun part like you know we're running tests going through [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► screenshots nature of things haven't changed retesting things just no fun you [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► sound like a man who's on the edge of stopping but I feel like every year you [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► get to this point and then it ships and then you're fine [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► well I every year or something knowing about it and this year I think the not [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► knowing the ship date for the price of stuff like that I don't just tell me [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► everything's these things so I can tell you but it seems like every other year [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► previously we knew the ship date on the price [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► well in advance of it happening and who knows maybe we will this year as well [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► but we don't buy now is annoying me uncertainty is bad enough I we have a [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► lot to get through anything else on your view this is gonna be a tough so I think [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► because next week we're doing the show right after the iPhone in early today [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► after the iPhone event and so I would imagine that next week we're gonna have [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► a pretty packed show full of iPhone stuff although I don't know doesn't look [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► that interesting [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► like I think based on what we've seen so far I don't think if it's it's just the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► iPhone and and not also iPad / Apple TV / anything else if just the iPhone which [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► I would probably say there's like a 50 50 chance of then I actually don't know [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► who's going to be any surprises and talk about the fingerprint scanner show who [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► had somehow talked about the scanner have to show only because you know the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► time for but I do think your point that if there's anything interesting I [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► suspect that it will be something like the fingerprint scanner seems like [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► there's a lot of smoke about the iPhone 5 couleurs I'm calling it the iPhone 5 [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► champagne and I think that those seem to be pretty much a lock I thought earlier [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► today on Twitter whether the champagne iPhone would be just a China thing or [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► Asia think I should say or if it would go everywhere at the time I thought it [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► would be just them now I'm thinking it would probably be everywhere but that [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► all seems to be pretty much locked as far as far as I'm concerned the only big [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► surprise in my mind would be well maybe not surprised but slightly surprising [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► thing would be a fingerprint scanner and there's some amount of smoke there but [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► not a lot on what do you guys think I don't know I will probably mean the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► fingerprint scanner that there were something in the in the software I [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► believe that that tip that off a reference to it in the hardware stuff [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► somewhere and I can I was 7 beta something I think we've seen that before [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► having me I can't cite an example but I could spread stuff like that before [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► but I think it kind of makes sense as like something more interesting than a [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► passcode lock and and faster you know it's whether it's more secure [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► depends on a lot of things it is highly arguable but it's at least more comedian [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► like I don't I don't use passcode lock my phone no I only do if I am traveling [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► and I feel susceptible to my phone being lost like it WBC I typically do not [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► because I don't trust fellow conference goers but because there's a gazillion [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► iPhones in a square mile and it wouldn't surprise me if somebody accidentally [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► grabbed the wrong one [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► but generally speaking I do not have a lock on mine either I think early for [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► security though there's always the argument security like if if you're just [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► gonna clear password on a post-it notes ticket air monitor you know you're [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► better off having lower passer requirements [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► remember it this is the kind of thing like I don't use a passcode lock because [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► it would slow me down too much when I have to unlock the phone if they do [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► something with a fingerprint scanner where it's really fast unlock based on [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► the fingerprint on the home button I might do that while the killing of one [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► or two ways on the fingerprint scan they could do the guests are members but the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► Mac OS nine had a voice password thing for it to take user accounts where you [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► would say something and then type in your password you would say the same [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► thing about you in that one's the policy of that system which was so impressive [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► when you first use it you realize that it is on the side of letting you win so [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► if anyone says anything remotely similar to what you said in a similar Voice [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► they'd let in [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► so it's very comfortable and easy for you to use but the security is perhaps [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► slightly better than nothing but not much right and the other way to go with [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► it is to err on the side of not letting people it so that the fingerprint [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► scanner works like 50% 40% of the time but it never let someone else and accept [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► your finger and based on that the fingerprint technology thing I don't [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► think it can be all that reliable so they have to make one of those choices [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► like it's not gonna work I don't think given ninety percent of the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► time so they have to decide are we just going to say okay well ninety percent of [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the time it gets to enter your passcode but 10% of time you can enter your [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► passcode anyway there's little frustration factor they like my body put [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► my finger on their cause this time it didn't work for me to enter the passcode [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► maybe it doesn't take much people to say if it doesn't work almost a hundred [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► percent of time just gonna try passcode every single time and not bother with a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► fingerprint thing and the other way to do it is to be like Marco who don't use [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the passcode and just say well if if your fingers closed and looks kinda [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► close to let you win maybe we'll let someone else and sometimes but you know [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► it's better than nothing [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► so that's what I'm going to watch for it this thing has a fingerprint scanners [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► which one of those two policy so they can I guess I took their possibility is [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► that it's it's magic and it works a hundred percent of the time and an apple [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► is enough to make that choice or close two hundred percent but for some reason [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► I find that unlikely that it if you think about it [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► my thought I have an average sized hand in my thumb is considerably bigger than [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the home button so what happens if I use like the tip of my thumb in one moment [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► unlock the phone but then I use kind of the heel of my thumb the next time is [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► there some sort of scanner that I have to get some training process I have to [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► go through in order to scan my entire thumbprint just seems so not a polite [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► get all my thought process on the fingerprint scanner Apple has yet to [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► produce an iOS device with the home button and the home button doesn't fail [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► some percentage of the time that's large enough for us to all have heard of or [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► experienced a failed home but that's true have you never heard of her [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► experience at home button no I have on previous models but I think I before it [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► was really bad for that but I think the forest might have improved it certainly [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the five I believe che believe the five like made it metal bats they keep making [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► a better like they're improving it but I have heard of people with five specific [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► home runs and not another seems like it's their fault and shoddy workmanship [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► it's just like it too but you press all the time [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► you know it's good I don't know what the percentages in american 99.5% of the [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► home runs are fine after the first year and you know point five percent fail but [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► that's a button does nothing except a button to expect a higher percentage at [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► a vase about and that is a button and although by the way also some kind of [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► fingerprint scanner that that's why I miss 21 ruling out the idea that it will [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► work reliably nothin Apple how to make those choices of which way to go with it [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► I mean I think it's an interesting premise but like you I'm very dubious as [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► to how they can execute well on it but just like mark was saying earlier I [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► don't use a lock passcode lock my phone I find it to be annoying when I do use [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► it at conferences whatever the case may be and the thought of a perfect [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► thumbprint scanner really does sound excellent to me but it also has some [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► other weird noises that come with it like for example what if Aarons phone is [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► in the kitchen all the iPads and whatnots are upstairs we're sitting on [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► the couch and she wants to look at look up something real quick if I handle my [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► phone what did she do i mean logically I would assume she would have to enter my [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► passcode which of course I would have shared with her but like how does that [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► work and that gets to be a little dicey and and what is the fall back like you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► were saying earlier my son doesn't unlock it is the passcode I know it just [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► seems doable always work but I'm assuming it will always be an option [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► employees work all right I'm saying like would that be your fallback if you can't [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► scan scan your thumb and it stands to reason it would be but it just seems [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► like you're saying before just seems like it would be annoying if it doesn't [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► work darn near all the time [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► yeah that's you know it wouldn't surprise me if if you know john you're [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► exactly right that it it would just be like a quick shortcut to get out of the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► passcode entry screen [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► a quick alternative to internet passcode but it would still might even still show [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► the passcode screen but hasn't had another important fact similar to Syria [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► in that high winds kind of feature so even if you only even if someone bought [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► an iphone four US order in Syria came out and only you serious like the first [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► two or three days to show people and play with people I think got their value [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► out of Syria like they got a cool new phone you can talk to and they played [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► with it and more entertained by it and eventually became bored because it [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► doesn't work reliably enough and they don't doesn't fit into their workflow [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► but I think a lot of them are not bitter about that [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► like they still rely for the really nice phone and they got that extra bit of [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► enjoyment out of it and it was exciting and interesting and new and the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► fingerprint scanner could fill that role for the iPhone 5s around end up calling [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► it you know man series of mess every time seriously it's it's been out now [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► for what two full years just a bit is still attract every time I try to use [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► Siri which isn't that often I I used to use it a lot but it just kept failing so [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► often back when it first came out and that you know you're just doing the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► wrong things like failing to be recognized and timing out having server [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► issues it was just really slow down my use of it and then eventually stopped [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► for a while and I've been trying it over the last couple of months I just once a [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► week I'll try something and it fails about half the time and so I'm just like [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► it's so discouraging though I can't believe after all this time it still has [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► a problem [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► yeah I mean I use it sporadically I think I would love myself in that [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► category of who this is Chinese fancy when I first got my for us and I used it [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► more but not a lot now I find myself only using Siri to set timers so if [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► we're like cooking or something like that [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► at or if I'm trying to send a text message while driving [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► dictated to Siri and hope that what I say and Aaron who members is remotely [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► similar to the words that came out of my mouth and I would agree that syria not [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► only is it bad but I would say it's gotten worse because I actually a pretty [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► good luck with Siri [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► up until the last month or two and I feel like it's a total crapshoot now [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► yeah that's right so what else will be new so we saying yes to Champaign I from [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► oh i mean i i think im not only champagne there's also that new kind of [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► lighter gray color with the black but the black glass that also I did not [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► actually there's there's four proposed colors and somebody had a video of all [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► four of them lined up for the shells so it's it's the the dark black and the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► white and silver that we have now and then there is the champagne one which [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► I'm sure everyone probably seen by now and then there's also a lighter like a [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► light black that makes sense and it's it's closer to aluminum color but it [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► still has the black accent which can be nice cuz honestly the black when I even [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► saw this last year when when the five was new the black i think is to talk you [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► don't really get a lot of that like nice metal quality for me because it just [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► looks like just one big black slab doesn't like the difference between the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► black glass and the metal backing is not a big enough color differences like no [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► contrast there so I don't actually think the black looks like it also does not [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► age well because firstly along the chamfered edges [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► the black anodized coating flakes off on on those corners on those edges and so [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► you see a lot of the underlying metal so I think [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► for the next thing I couldn't quite tell them I love my wife has prohibited that [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► in advance but she's right well she wants it and just about the same but I'm [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► thinking about that medium gray colors looking pretty good [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► honestly because I think it'll age better and I think I think it'll just [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► look cool again the blacks as the detail the black ass gets lost because it's [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► it's too dark I wonder people are going to have iphone 5 CNN not just because of [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► the colors but maybe maybe I'm the only one I guess what you're seeing you will [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► see my ipod touch and I've got that what is it called kind of plastic TPA is it [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► called CPU GPU I think it's a kind of plastic it's like not squishy like [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► rubber but also not hard like regular plastic it's a little bit creepy and [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► that's why I like my case I why I wanted to be like curve and comfortable but a [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► little bit creepy and I can't tell what the back of the 5 C's made out of like [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► some kind of plastic but if it's made of TPU or something sometime and I'm [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► guessing it's not like it looks more comfortable in my hand that I'm [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► wondering if you look at them much faster fancy or expensive looking five a [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► serb whenever but holding a five see is more comfortable it feels more secure in [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► my hand and feel it's you don't have sharp edges it's more durable and [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► resilient to nicks and scratches and stuff like that were forced to be slower [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and you know maybe not as good a phone and I wonder about that I wonder if like [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► anybody out there will come home with their 5s and feel little twinge of like [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► disappointment that they didn't get to bring home the green curve comfortable [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► when they liked the people in the know are all pretty much saying for certain [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► that the five see is literally just an iPhone 5's internals probably even the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► same camera if I had to guess that's kind of style when they can do something [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► this so it's basically an iPhone 5 but a rather than just pushing the iPhone 5 [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► down there supposedly getting rid of it [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► and replacing the old model this year with this new edition of the internals [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► with this new casing around it and so if that's the case it's going to be a [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► pretty good funny iphone 5 still really good even with iOS 7 stuff it's it's [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► still a very very good phone and you know when you think about what they're [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► actually selling they don't as far as I know nobody's going to break it down [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► may be forced to do you found a way to like figure out with margins and stuff [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► like what the breakdown is between the different iPhone models that are sold at [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► a time like how many cell relative to each other from just just looking at [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► least the public and what people buy just anecdotally its it always seemed [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► like the the cheaper like last year two years ago miles of iPhones have sold [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► extremely well so what if what if the iPhone 5 seed since the iPhone 5 is [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► still so good by by most standards of the phones today what if the five see [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► kind of makes it official that the lower end model / last year's model is like [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the default model similar to what the iPad Mini did to the iPad what the iPod [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► mini iPod Nano does the iPod you know you have the highest premium model [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► that's going to 5s this year and then you know then you have the one that most [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► people buy and previously that was last year's model this time maybe that's [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► going to five see ya there will be a change in iPhone buying because up until [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► this point what Apple has told us is that the most popular model is always [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► like whatever the fanciest one is like the way you don't give you break down [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► most of the time they will confirm that like most people are buying iPhone 5's [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► or something to that effect because of the best and you know they're still kind [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► of selling I am thing and I would not be surprised at all if come some earnings [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► call when someone tries to get this information out of them they say that [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► most people are buying five C's are they sold more five seasons than five houses [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► but I think the five see might be a better conceived physical product [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► because they've gone through all these iterations of you know the glass back [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► and and the external antenna [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the 3G with the big bubble plastic back and the original with plastic bottom [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► like they've gone around and around trying to find something with a nice [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► bounce something so beautiful object and I think the before for us form factor is [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► this the most attractive is like a piece of sculpture and also one that's the [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► most daring utilitarian and you know fun and comfortable to you is to recognize [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the most the time you're holding this thing your hands [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► checking into your purse or pocket or whatever which one strikes the right [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► balance and maybe that's gonna end up being the five see I think it depends on [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► what kind of plastic windows and stuff but I don't think the five is now the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► speech by get either so maybe you're right maybe the 25 becomes the the iPad [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► 4 of the exact on the phone line and this this thing becomes the mini and [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► then it becomes the biggest I am sure Apple be perfectly happy with that [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► because as far as they're concerned they're selling your cheaper version of [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► last year's phone and tell them I mean and I agree with you by the way I i i [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► think that the best feeling I found in my hand was the 3G / 3G s because it had [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► that nice curve and it was plastics hose is felt very secure in the hand very [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► well you're an iPod Touch person every iPhone is too big to sound like you know [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that like you try to look for what what is the sweet spot between making [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► something too thin and two in like the 3G you know was was very large and maybe [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► like a little bit overly large yet felt comfortable but didn't feel comfortable [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► and the other aspects of your life when you shove it into your pocket now it's [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► like maybe better you know [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► so really quickly just you put the rumor mill to bed if there is a five seed and [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► let's say that it's very very cheap on contract John Siracusa will you finally [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► get an iPhone because it will be very cheap on countries like Apple is not [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► adding Apple's not responsible for the price of an iPhone you know the carriers [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► are the price of the phone is so small compared to that because to paying for [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you know of a rising calling and data plan for two years of life that the [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► phone price like Apple AAPL has little control over whether i buy an iPhone at [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► all to the carriers you're the only person in the world who buys a phone in [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► subsidized environment and actually does that computation for the kids because [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► they can't you know like some teenager on tonight on the like do you know how [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► much they cost like go get a job delivering pizzas and then you can pay [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► for their plan you can play you know I will eventually reach that point I am [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► waiting them out they're good they're lowering their prices and you know my [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► wife's car once I get like a family plan twice now something suddenly lower the [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► family plan price you know I just re-upped my real campaign made that term [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► come into existence I don't know but apparently it is perpetrated by [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► consciousness anyway I just paid again from my stupid foot long time I am and I [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► bought two years worth because it was $150 for two years for the services not [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► so I think about the next time you give you $70 Verizon bill now what if you [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► could find a decent prepay data plan that supports the iPhone and to be [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► honest that may exist already know I have no idea but would you do it [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► although our previous sponsor Tang they they seem to imply on the Arabian state [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► director and a website that they expected the iPhone pretty soon you know [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► people think I'm a cheapskate and don't care but nice things by not having an [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► iPhone but the fact is that I am prima donna and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► demand very best things that I can happen when mister going entirely i dont [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► wanna get them for eyes and partially because I live kind of in a cell phone [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► dead area and Freising has the best coverage around where I am and also has [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► the best coverage of my house looks like I'm not going to let you know the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► Verizon network that's a realistic at the church so much money because they [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► know look we have cell towers over the place and you don't so I'm basically a [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► slave to Verizon because of the physical realities of where the cell towers are [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► where I live really still true I'm the opposite with AT&T that AT&T coverage [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► everywhere fairly mediocre if that's a word but Verizon covers everywhere [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► ok except my house where there's no coverage so I still can't use varies I [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► really haven't had bad experience with 18 last year to my mind when I got the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► 3G S which I got one is brand new [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► that was pretty ugly as soon as you got off the beaten path and i got an AT&T [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and by the time I got the 40 S things were pretty good for the most part now [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► it's very rare that I have a situation that I don't have pretty good if not [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► excellent coverage now to be fair I'm not off in off what I would call the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► beaten path but I mean I've traveled quite a bit over the last couple years [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► and I've never been in a situation that I can recall that somebody standing near [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► me with the rise and phone without an issue when I had my at&t phone and it [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► was a piece of crap and Marco has the same problem that I do you live too [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► close to rich people in case the problem is that I passed and I'm like a block [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► from your house I know I love to near Richmond just not held the problem is an [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► area near a school Chestnut Hill that hotel local telco has a lower density of [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► cell towers than elsewhere because no one set out in the backyard in there are [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► rich people and what it produces is like you can see when you want to be line on [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► the T you go past Chestnut Hill and there is no signal like you know for a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► brief period but 0 say no [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► and so that's bad and I'm assuming you have the same problem is what you get up [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► into Batman Bruce Wayne Manor territory near their house and so service gets [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► body actually don't have that problem in fact our town hall has cell towers right [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► on and we can almost see it directly from our house I just on the horizon [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► terror there but the problem we have is that the area around here is very hilly [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► and as anybody who lives near hills or mountains can tell you they are pretty [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► much radio waves worst enemies so it's it's it's very very spotty coverage up [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► here for foremost radio things AT&T happens to cover it well possibly [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► because it is intent on top of our town hall [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► plus the the remaining four but the the way in which GSM and CDMA signals were a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► little isn't it a little better for landscapes on GSM but little from your [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► four buildings or something like that I'm reaching bad things are forgotten [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► years ago think that's now absolute with LTE that doesn't matter as much does it [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► matter is mostly the frequencies I believe anyway we really should be [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► talking talking about know john as you do is you actually not talking as you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► know I was we're not talking right let's wrap up the iPhone top because we're [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► going to be talking with us all next week and is there anything else I mean I [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► don't have anything else I just want to make sure you and John both had a chance [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► unless unless you actually think it's going to be something non iPhone [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► released I didn't throw this out there I have this is like the fourth hand from [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► some random person that has no provenance anywhere but something [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► someone mentioned today and I just remembered his way out of the blue [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► applications for Apple TV I saw there was somebody mentioned I don't know [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► whether it was like you know one of our bloggers people that were friends with [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► our macro or something somebody mentioned that like the Apple TV SDK was [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► apparently like almost done for the BBC that they heard in the push to cancel or [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► whatever I don't know what thoughts on that was like you know in the recent [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► months they've been the whole bunch of new icons that have appeared on your [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► Apple TV right different channel partners and so like when I look at [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► those in like ok well as Apple writing all those apps or is there some sort of [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► pro SDK and shipping off to its various partners like Disney and ESPN something [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► they're writing those apps and then like maybe not too much of a stretch to say [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► look instead of just appearing on your Apple TV every time you do a software [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► update how about some kind of you know crappy sort of Apple TV store where you [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► can choose which icons you want and maybe hooking up with some kind of [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► payment subscription thing and let people subscribe to Netflix through the [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► Apple TV and subscribe to Kullu and you know that type of thing we're quite the [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► App Store we're all thinking of like oh and now there's going to be angry birds [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► into in trouble with little five-way controller and that stupid and it's not [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the new amazing Apple TV there are things I was just kind of like [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► regularizing the current ongoing system of adding icons to our home screens and [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► making us turn them off parental controls because we can't control them [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► any other way so there's a couple thoughts are firstly earlier today and I [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► don't remember where I saw it there was a report that somebody had snoops like [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► delivery information or something I forget where exactly what specifically [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► said but they said something along the lines of Apple's been receiving [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► shipments that were labeled for the purposes of customs set-top boxes yeah [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and so they were starting they were trying to extrapolate that oh maybe [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► these were like no demo units are for first-run units from from China where [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► they're being built the other thing I should point out is my understanding of [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► Apple TV apps as they are today is that they're they're all quasi web based so [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► for example the plaques app which masqueraded as the trailer zap it was [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► like this weird hack reset your computer to be a proxy and then when you go into [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► the trailers app on the Apple TV it would intercept that it would show you [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► information from Plex Media Manager for capex B&C anyways that was all like XML [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and HTML CSS and so on and so forth from what I'm told so I don't think that even [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► even if there is an SDK I think it's more a lot the initial iPhone [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► which was not native it was just hit me I make a web app in for letting you do [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that much I don't see this happening yet and I don't know I mean you know Tim [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► Cook hinted earlier this year I think it was maybe it the All Things D conference [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► or on various earnings calls or whatever else to look into a number of occasions [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► pretty strong chance that we would see something that's basically a new [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► category of thing from Apple this fall is not the five see though I don't think [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the five see matters that much I mean in the grand scheme of things in it for the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► iPhone yet the five see is gonna be probable for Apple they're gonna make a [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► killing on the iPhone their most popular product and they're gonna sell about [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► Lotus five seas but at the implication that he gave in these statements was [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► about hearsay and the geek in the chatroom it says it was a direct quote [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► new product categories and so I don't know that to me is the implication there [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► is worth talking about the kind of thing like you know like the water the TV or [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► we are one of these one of these new things we'll talk about that that was [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the application now you know maybe he had a loose definition of that maybe the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► Mac Pro that they announced in June after he said this may be the Mac Pro is [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► considered a new product category is a new title [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► yeah I mean I wouldn't get one but maybe he does you know it it could have been [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► just that but I'm betting not I'm betting or something else and I think [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► it's the watch things like you know doesn't return about one event to [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► September 10th is still time for an October it meant to them to announce how [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► about the Mac Pro which we know they're going to you know they said they're [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► gonna announce there's time to produce and i watch things like they have there [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► are possibilities out there is just that I questioning ok well what's going to be [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► on September 10th and that seems like it's just gonna be a phone that I like [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► to sleep the suggestion from an injured in the chatroom that the new category is [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► a new double a battery charger [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► now I don't know what they're gonna do with events this fall I mean obviously [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► they're not going to cram everything into September 10th event that's that's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► very likely to just be iPhones very unlike anything else at all it's gonna [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► be a fun probably iOS 7 you know the official announcement here it's done and [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► it comes out in you know today / a week's you know whatever whatever the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► case may be and they're not going to have a fence for every release like if [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► the new MacBook Pros come out and they happened to just be you know i Haswell [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► update may be able to you know it it just that and it's not also like you [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► know Retina Display desktops with the Mac Pro all together in one big event [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► they wouldn't do an event for just like a CPU update to a laptop you know so we [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► can but they still have iPads they still have the Mac Pro they still have [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► potentially a new category whatever that means so I don't know if it I think [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► we're in for more than we expect you know sinking that night and I was [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► thinking you know they were a lot of the chatter before WWDC was how quiet Apple [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► had been and if you think about it there hasn't really been much now yes I was [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► seven was a radical visual departure from what we've seen in the past but by [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► and large there were some very cool new API's but nothing earth-shattering [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► there's no se Syria API for example so there's still not a lot of activity for [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► a year I mean on the one on the one hand you could say there's been a lot to me [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► there's not a lot and so so I wonder if they're just gonna cram everything into [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► everything is coming maybe a watch maybe a new Apple TV maybe something else [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► we're not even dreaming up a what if what if they're so smug and just sitting [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► so quietly on their laurels waiting for the next three or four three months or [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► so in the beginning in 2014 to just knock all of our socks off cos it [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► strikes me as an apple thing to do I don't think they say the two things [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► we're talking about four categories are television thing and things you wear and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► I can't imagine both those things being ready for the holiday season even one of [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► them being ready the holiday season still questionable but it seems like not [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► an apple thing to do to stew [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► do both amazing new television product and amazing thing that you we're [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► probably on your wrist before the holidays not just because they may not [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► be ready but it would do we do with distract from one to like you want one [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► of them to be the big push you wouldn't want to dilute the message of either one [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► of those things as impressive as well imagined by having them out sometime [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► that one thing that also tipped me off that the timing of this is a little [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► weird is Chris Parker's departure from you like it so you know you sure you saw [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that Chris Parker is a really nice guy who works at Apple if you've ever gone [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► to the BBC you almost definitely seen him give the what's new and you like it [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► talk he's a guy with long straight blonde hair and he's very energetic and [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► is also in talks so I follow him on Twitter nice guy in the world and his [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► dog is adorable and he and his dog adorable together anyway he was you know [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► something important I don't really know exactly what on the UIKit team for the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► last 45 years some very long time [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► pretty much since you like it has been a public thing and he announced about a [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► month ago few weeks ago he announced that he had he was leaving the UIKit [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► team to go work on something else within apple that he couldn't talk about that [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► was that the implication was that it was new and exciting so given his experience [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► on the UIKit team I assume that this means like going to work on something [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► else that may be in the same vein or the same kind of thing like a UI level [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► framework / AP I / developer tool and so that would correspond pretty nicely too [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► if there is a watch or a TV SDK then that would be that would make sense [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► however not be released this fall that be way too soon [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► are things R Jones in the chat said earlier that Tim Cook had said there [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► would be new stuff in the fall and in 2014 everything you're saying [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► corroborates ourself it's with that makes a question is what's what's in the [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► fall that that would be considered possibly a new category [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► mean like maybe the first generation of the quote watch is basically an iPod [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► Nano that can show notifications in your phone on it or lose sight of what's [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► important here guys maverick ship date except you throw me a bone you know we [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► have been today's gonna be all about phones and the 525 seeing colors and [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► then let the and just go on by the members gonna shipment on such date [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► thank you goodnight John Surtees it one day at another hotel right now that's my [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► fear that just gonna wake up one morning and will be on the App Store be a Friday [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► night and it'll be on the App Store immediately available for sale for a [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► price developers will never have received the gym you know or like [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► sending developers get a gem but still no date and price just you know we have [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the GMP three weeks and then it arrives in the store one morning with a price [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► you know how can I get a book into the end of the book stories I don't know the [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► price until it arrives I asked you well I mean you could argue do you really [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► need to know the price for the for the content of your review I already wrote [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► about it but my best guess is the price you could delete the whole section [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► variable that you can assign a web service call different paragraphs of [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► text if it's free kick for costs $0.99 published paragraph it'll be in a [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► purchase there [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► markowitz reminds me we should take note to you and i discussed the Siracusa [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► rescue plan if this happens and how I'm getting to you and we're getting to him [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► in time to stop him from doing something stupid like and get us to him quickly at [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► least [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► we should talk about something awesome speaking of our first sponsor this week [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► is a repeat sponsor in fact both response to the speaker repeat sponsors [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► but I will see the surprise until later [TS]

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00:36:47 ◼   ► can use promo code ATP for 10% off any registration or add-on you buy it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► however it's pretty great so however offers dot net dot khou.com TV tons of [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► country could deal DS and they've been adding a bunch of new TLDs recently they [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► got they just got da tyo pretty recently and they're constantly adding more you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► can get dot com not net I O just about anything else they actually said [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► anything else that's pretty cool so whoever takes all the hassle and [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► friction out of owning and managing domain names now everyone here everybody [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► listen to the show especially cuz you know your honor's like us over the [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► terminus sorry John domain registration is usually a pretty terrible experience [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► usually the way it works the other registrars as you go through their their [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► terrible shopping cart after you searched for names in their terrible [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► search interface and they try to upsell you like reason every stupid little [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► service and there's always confusing checkboxes like don't not prevent the [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► newsletter from getting to me what you know and then there's like okay so do [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► you want to pay an extra $10 a month for us to not sell your information to [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► spammers and they will wait a minute you know there's all this crazy stuff that [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► other stories do that just makes it pretty unpleasant than when she finally [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► get their name registered their interfaces for managing them are [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► terrible and a lot of times you gotta pay extra for very basic things like [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► that a lot of stores offer free cover is just good and I see this as a hover [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► customer I was a customer before they were sponsor of the show I'm happy to be [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► a sponsor me shoved second actually honestly tell you however is great they [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► don't believe in heavy handed up selling or aggressive cross-selling they don't [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► hide functionality that really should be there [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► email services and they even have Google Apps for your domain all sorts of cool [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► stuff and one of the best things about however they have to my two favorite [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► features about how r one they have this awesome Valley transfer service or [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► transfer value for what they called exactly as it is in my script here but [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► if you want when you're moving to however you can just give them the login [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► for your existing register they will log in and move everything over to hover for [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► you you don't even have to mess with yourself and of course if you don't want [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► to give him the credentials you can still do it yourself is very very few [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► myself and it was it was very good my second favorite feature however is their [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► phone support so they have a no hold no weight and no transfer phone policy you [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► call this number [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► the toll-free numbers on their site Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and eastern and you will speak to a live person they will pick up the phone [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► a live person on the phone and say hi this is however you know how can I help [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► you and they will actually be able to help you have used it a couple times it [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► actually does work it's really great so I dot com slash ATP and use promo code [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► ATP for 10% off any demand your extra there anything else I really great [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► service thanks love to have her for sponsoring our show i don't realize it [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► was no transfers well that's pretty that's pretty cool yeah I mean I've only [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► called twice but both times the person who picked up the phone immediately upon [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► ring they helped me through the whole thing there wasn't the United have to [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► get down to different departments or anything I don't think it's that big of [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► a company I think it's I think you're talking to a handful of people who all [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► know their stuff and and there they have the power to do things for you to [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► seventeen different departments that that is really awesome man and as I've [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► said in the past but I repeat 277 while my father was registering domain my dad [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► is is savvy but not a deep in the traditional sense and I told him just go [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► to have her and just figured out and sure enough he went to every figure it [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► out and worked out great so truly whether you're a geek or not it's a [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► great option I definitely recommend them [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► what else you wanna talk about we have a laundry list of things do we want to [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► talk about [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► confections to talk about how the App Store sucks or do we want to talk about [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► Nokia I don't know how I'm feeling a lot of these topics are going to be pretty [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► boring I mean the cat thing like ok who can who cares like which mountain or ski [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► lodge in intel uses for the next chip code-named like it does it really matter [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► for what portion of California Apple is using for their next Nazi line right [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► exactly what yet one of the portion of california has an awkward plurals Asian [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► the name that nobody has ever heard of so terrible look at possibly go wrong [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► californians rights and after that you wanna audible to something totally [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► a little birdie told me we should maybe talk about Synology Synology [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► synergy but with ecology at the end [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► ecology won't talk about that weekend if you want I mean I totally audible way [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► from the thing that probably things that everyone else wants to talk about what [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► we talked about a football term yes audio books related its ok I forgot my [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► audience my part anyway so we should back up and explain what we're talking [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► about so a while ago [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► Marco and you can feel free to interrupt me when you're ready Marco had tweeted [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► about hey I wanna get a new network attached storage to get a job of this [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and I remember this was going on red round of you to PDC because I remember [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► talking about it in line with you for one of the presentations in Presidio [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► come to find out that somebody from Synology caught wind of this and offered [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► to San Marco a Synology network attached storage box and that was extremely kind [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► of them and then decided you know what we don't want to just be that awesome [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► let's be even more awesomer yes that's a word [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► and let's send a box to john Kasay as well and so all three of us have all [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► gotten the same Synology box they were even even doubled down on awesome and [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► filled Johnson mind with hard drives I don't know if that can be said for you [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► as well Marco so they gave us these unbelievably awesome and not cheap [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► network attached storage boxes no strings attached whatsoever and we're [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► talking about them because we want to not because they told us we have to but [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► with that said they work on so Marco or John what would you guys like to say [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► about this we've already heard me talk a lot about mining back when I got it so [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► go ahead I'll preface it by saying that I haven't had a network attached storage [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► boxes for except for the transporter which the transporter guys sent us they [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► have sponsored the show we've talked about those before you should start a [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► podcast everybody if attached storage we can get a whole lot else but if you want [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► network attached storage we have tons of that so the transporters you know it's [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► you see also they're very small they're also much cheaper than something like [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► this analogy but that was the first never heard that story thing happened I [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► use it like that I described in a press pass transport spot kind of like my [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► little magical thing that just contains my data and I've been using the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► transporter lot [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► briefly in the transfer thing like now that I know other people also a [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► podcasting space you have transporters when I want to send a large file to [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► somebody and I know they have a transporter it's such a relief if they [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► don't have to do one of those like all connected to my Dropbox and give them a [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► public URL maybe maybe not [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► when those files and its services or its too big to send over email at the hosted [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► on a web server and keep my computer running them it's so much easier just [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► jamming the transport and send little scary question then turn all you know my [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► computer sleep and not think about it so anyway that was my first experience with [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► network attached storage and that's already changed my life I you know to a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► similar degree like Dropbox did we're now you have this new sort of third [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► place where you can put things in stage thing thats not when your computer is [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that doesn't require you to keep your computer on are connected or whatever [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► so that was kind of relief but I was always looking for my life network [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► attached storage is sensitive end up with things like the third place the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► other place that isn't on any of my one computers but that is gigantic by [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► clicking fit all my crap on it plus all backups like you know it can't just be [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► one little hard driver too hard as it has to be massive and I never could [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► bring myself to buy one of those things cuz I had no experience in the field I [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► was afraid I would get like the wrong thing or you know I look at all these [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► are sort of do it yourself projects and you know you know such a big fan of CFS [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► I can try to build one of those with open Solaris ZFS industry BS these boxes [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► of his bill your own ass thing there maybe I should just get a little PC and [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► stuccoed discs in the basement I never knew what to do to solve the problem for [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► me by sending me this box and my expectations were actually pretty low [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► because like the transport are expected to work on a plan to look like a plan [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► looks like a little tiny bit as big as a potted plant that's cute little vertical [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► things like a little computerized garden gnome [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► like I was adorable at home it's 1 2.5 inch drive in there so I'm not expecting [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► again terabytes of storage but everything else looks like some big ok [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► PC thing everyone got his I was asking him like you know fans however the fans [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► how can you have this thing in the same room to put it a closet in overhearing [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► the closet like I didn't have high expectations for this thing I think it [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► would be something like it big ugly noisy PC with discs in it I have the box [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► and big it's heavy and it feels like it costs much more chances does have metal [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► it's very solid it was stuffed with hard drives I got the eighth drive models of [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► stuff with a hard drives took it out of the box and like the instructions that [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► come with it like two sentences long like plug into power plug into your net [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► go to your computer and type find out Synology dot com or whatever into your [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► web browser like it was just a host name the time do you represent then that [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► somehow finds your network attached storage and network and there it isn't [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► like alright well just mounted is like a single volume a single massive volume [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► which is like a great area that's not what I want to do [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► know what am I gonna do with this thing like having you know twenty-four [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► terabyte of storage just sitting there on my desktop network attached is a very [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► useful to me so I fired up the new software interface this thing which I [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► expected to look like an apple router and is like that web page you go to the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► web server looks like some disgusting thing or whatever but I don't care Mike [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► fine if it looks gross like that that's fine I just want to be able to first I [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► was like oh my god maybe I didn't understand what this thing is maybe it [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► just gives you like you know put all this together in some kind of raid [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► arrangement or something and you can choose a traitor and maybe just shows up [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► as one of them but I don't want to use it like that I wanna divvied up into [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► different pieces in slices and I shouldn't have worried because their [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► interests to have its a web interface but and it doesn't look like an apple a [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► banana look kind of like a Linux on the desktop kind of interface influenced by [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► the original Apple aqua stuff but it is perfectly serviceable it works the way [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► you expect him a little windows you can drag around and stuff and you can do [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► anything with this thing like just by clicking around you can do this thing up [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► into any possible arrangement of every any difference tragic car volumes into [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► different pieces they could appear has different volumes amounting to apply a [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► user account supply quotas or maybe just a little tired but I was impressed by [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► the flexibility of this thing and my main problem now is just too many [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► possibilities I don't know how is it so much space and I have I am so many [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► schemes in like that I wanna do it so I spent like the first week just slicing [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► these discs up into different pieces and then reform at the moment slight [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► increase life and then trying this out installing applications do all the stuff [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and the whole time by the way this thing is in my basement and has two gigantic [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► fans in the back of it that are amazingly quiet not quite enough that I [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► would everyone in the room with me but still pretty darn amazingly quiet in [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► fact that comes out of the box like one of the web interface thought you were [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► gonna find this quiet I found every options think it's quiet and cool [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► emoticons shipping quiet mode and it's like well the whole reason I put it in [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► my basement so I switched to cool mode and it is not that much noisier I came [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► to indifference [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► about the same way so I have a thing down the basement about six feet off the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► ground on top of something with you know cat6 cable ran to the back of it and I [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► put my transported down there to an uppity ups down there also off the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► ground so like my basement flood waters to get sixty high before it takes my [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► network attached storage offline or in which case you have lots of other [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► problems [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► yeah and I've been on a flooding here anyway so this is really changed my life [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► like that I have this unseen magical stories it's always on know I can make [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► it accessible from the web because of course the boxes that features well so [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► I'm mightily impressed with this and I would not hesitate to suggest this [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► product for anyone who wants network attached storage because and everything [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► that I've asked to do including Network Time Machine backup from two separate [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► max that's the great thing about the deadline or mountain lion let you add [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► the second disc to Time Machine I just said why the hell not an added added is [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the second time machine destination for all the computers in my house and now [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► they're back up to their local time we had any also backup network one and that [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► was my first estimate can you back up for million styles off my Mac Pro two [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► never time she answer is yes no maybe we'll flip out when it runs out of space [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► because it does that when it's not your regular dosing that's not really the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► fault of the this analogy but it has done everything I've asked to do and I'm [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► very impressed by it I give it to big thumbs up I will say also before before [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► I had this analogy last year when I was when I was using a laptop inside of my [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► profile time I had a Mac Mini running Leopard or lion server and using Time [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► Machine that way like with the USB disk into the Mac Mini with Time Machine or [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► through Apple server over the network to my laptop and it was incredibly slow to [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► back up to look things up to restore files it was just ungodly slow with the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Synology with the Mac Pro obviously there's a lot of different factors here [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► this aren't external to it although you can plug in USB drives to it but I in [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► this case I didn't it's just WAY faster I would say Time Machine both backups [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► and restores and browses from a macro to a Synology are just as fast perceptibly [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► to me at least just as fast as your local disk but time is in itself is a [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► still incredibly slow and terrible protocol just doing it to a local to [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► disk inside my Mac Pro its low because doing all sorts of terrible things so [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► one of the things I did do with this is try to see what kind of speed that was [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► getting from it and you know and I'm able jumbo frames which I hadn't done [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► before because I had never had a reason to analysis on a reason to enable jumbo [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► frames and I was happy to learn that all night [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► switches between me and the next support jumbo for him so I turned it on and I [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► was getting over a hundred megabytes a second just in a writing like big media [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► files which case to this thing so I'm totally satisfied with the speed of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► course time machine is still slow as balls but it's not it's not it's [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► obviously not the fault of the hardware anything between disc entirely a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► software thing which i'm willing to live with but it's not so slow that you know [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► it seems like a time machine to an internal see some say it's it's about [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the same like it wasn't even i mean i i haven't done a massively story about a [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► few files off here and there and doing that really just feels the same as it [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► always did using an internal three and a half hours driving the Metro the what [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► the one thing that I planned poorly about risk like when I knew that was [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► coming I ran and other cable from my computer through these various holes I [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► have you know that with a hand everything my own sort of you know I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► have several cable going through this every time I do it I never bothered to [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► like put a lead in there so I can put things back and forth anyway I did a new [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► cable unstable that all up to the rafters and got it all into the other [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► corner of the house where the next up is and then when the nasdaq put down then I [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► realize this is for land ports like I could've I should have run three more [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► wires was a big mistake and now I couldn't be re-run one cable to my Mac [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► to the switches his iMac I could also run another cable directly to the back [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► of my television and I want to stream because of course this thing is a deal [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► on a server and it does video streaming everything so would have a gigabit [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► tonight to and from a Mac but it also have a separate gigabit interface to and [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► from my entertainment center who want to stream movies and I want those movies [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► 122 keynote transfer 200 megabytes a second kind of a reason for ports in the [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► back so [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► I kinda forgot not running more wire but that's not the fault of an ass and also [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► would it supports connection bonding so if you switch supports that you can you [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► can I believe bond all four of the parts together [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► yeah I've got two ports in the back of my Mac Pro and the new Mac Pro do as [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► well so I filed under those injuries can you do that first time ever tried I i [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► would i would hope so [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► on a Mac Pro is the only method has multiple Ethernet ports that would make [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► a lot of sense yeah it's ok so what do you think so I too had never had network [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► attached storage before the fall transporter which clearly serves of [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► wildly different purpose then ecology and previous you getting the Synology I [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► had the most ridiculous set up half USB external enclosures and while they were [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► all like USB external enclosures but that's more like one or two were [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► connected to the to my Airport Extreme one or two were hard lined into one of [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► my max in the so this way my to max could could back themselves up the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► entire machine it was ridiculous I'm actually fairly embarrassed at how [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► ridiculous so I get this ecology and I did it up so what's the particular ones [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► we got where the 18 13 plusses which are kind of the Big Daddy models if you will [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► which again thank you so much for sending them in so I took the first two [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► physical drives us was mostly Marcos recommendation took first two drives [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► made them one single volume and that would be Time Machine backups for Mighty [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► Max and errands Mac and I took the other six and say do that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► Synology hybrid raid whatever magic thing to make it one gigantic volume [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► with one redundant drive and and that becomes expendable it's very similar to [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► how drugs work where they called the SHR for high-percentage period and it's it's [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► very similar was worried that you can pull one drive out and replace it with a [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► bigger one and then it'll rebuild the array and expanded the reason I should [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► by now if you don't mind Casey the reason I recommended that he split up [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► like that is that the hybrid RAID volumes are very big and very spendable [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► but also very slow and when you think about how work it's similar to how RAID [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► five works where every access every reader [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► right requires all of the disks near a to read and write before it's done and [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► so you can imagine it reality that actually slower than like one disc in in [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► a kind of performance or is it especially in right as it's a special [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► song rights and so you know the USSR vol four me like I was a little nervous to [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► have eight discs all reading and writing constantly with the exact same things I [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► was nervous for both the speed of that and also the lifetime of those discs [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► being already written to exactly the same amount and and for everything I [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► figured it was pretty heavy use [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► just a day earlier because none of them like this crazy ass editions are great [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► additions whatever the stupid things that drive manufacturers to these days [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► to return my money out of us so that's why i like Time Machine is a very [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► different access pattern then everything else time machine is very frequent it [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► should be fast so i did i do two discs in raid 0 which I know is crazy but it's [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► a backup and it's not even my only backup to disk in 30 our time machine [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► for us and the reason why we have to do it that way is because I don't know [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► whether this is a limitation of just the psychology management interface or the [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► underlying component they're using that's probably a BSD thing that [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► emulates I machine but you can only have one time machine share on a psychology [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► of one's so if you want multiple computers back up to 12 2008 all you [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► have to have them all go to the same share then you can manage their space [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► with user quotas but we will see how that works in practice anyway so I did [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► you know the two radios for that and then I have four discs in SHR for like [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► my general like a big file storage and media serving it's about that and I have [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► two bays and D for future expansion [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► so so yet cases are crazy no no not also minus fully loaded so I have the two [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► like you had said to 10 and then the other six is one gigantic drive a few [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► things that and let me pick up a little clipboard taking us on a few things that [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► I that I wanted to point out about them about the Synology firstly it has [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► actually suite of iOS apps you can download one of them is just a general [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► manager so if you expose it to the internet you can't which by the way you [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► can get your own and install and so on so forth anyways if you expose it via [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► the internet you can manage it remotely via the web you can manage your money [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► this iOS app also the Synology itself has kind of a package manager and so you [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► can actually install different packages one of the packages I installed was a [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► download manager in so that'll let me download if I wanted to download a [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► torrent or if I have a newsgroup account to download newsgroup things I can or [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► even just do like a double you get for intensive purposes all of that can be [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► done on this Knology and there's a separate iOS app for that has a Plex on [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► the Synology so if all of your media is on the psychology which all mine and [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► then it would then it can expose at the plaques in and I think I mentioned [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► earlier in the show that plexus really need media manager let's see what else [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► there are smaller versions of the Synology so like I said we were we were [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► lucky enough to get the Big Daddy ones but there are smaller ones that have [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► fewer drives and I believe all of this line of Scientology's also support [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► getting like daughter boxes for lack of a better word expansion box right and so [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► you could load a bunch of drives in there in the future if you decide you [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► need to and that's why you don't have to pay the price for this whole big thing [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► upfront and you could get one of the smaller ones an add-on if you really [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► find you need to USB disks that you have a bus powered one terabyte drive that if [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► I wanted to just go to throw down in the basement and I got an extra one terabyte [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► of portable storage that just you know attached to the thing although you can [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► as far as I can tell when you mount USB Drive you don't have all the same [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► options like you can't [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► you can't make great volumes out of them and stuff like that like its a portable [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► attended right as far as I know so we have the 1830 s 1813 plus all the [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► numbers that end in three years I think are the most recent revisions right now [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► 1813 there's also the 1513 same thing but instead of a paisa as five but I [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► think otherwise it's it's effectively identical and has the abilities if you [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► don't need eight days I would say the 15 13 plusses probably want to look at and [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► is even there's even a given to baby models down to low and I don't I think [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► they have like less processing power cuz they have to be so cheap so i i'd not [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► sure if they would be able to do all these exact same things but the but the [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► the five billion AP Moller pretty great [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► some of the chat rooms asking whether they thought it was worth it for the [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► price and I was it worth it for us we got for free but the price is a question [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► maybe that was what was keeping me away from buying one of these things are [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► expensive and you look at them you like I can just buy a PC for that price but [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► then the reason I wasn't buying a PC for that price was well my PC then you [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► probably saw like Linux on there and deal with lawyer management and where [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► you gonna put the drives and they gonna be all internal and how easy it is to [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► get done and maybe you should buy like a shuttle PC where you can get them in and [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► out and eventually you end up sort of cobbling together your own ass like that [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► to yourself and ask if you arrive back at the things he is providing for you [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► already done software hardware everything included 10 I should have [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► just pulled the trigger on the before like that is that to me is worth the [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► price [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► the downside for me as UNIX nerd is that don't go into this expecting that were [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► you going to get is a Linux PC with logical volume management and stuff like [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that like you can get a show you can ssh into it but whatever is going to happen [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► processors on but it is not a full fledged Linux PC that you just go back [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► to sleep operate in there it's gonna have all your Linux user land that you [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► expected and you can be able to just install your own stuff from rpms and [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► just treated like it's like I have a lick pussy and also have announced what [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► you have is an ass and it is totally design [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► from top to bottom to be network attached storage and not designed from [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► top to bottom for you to just have an interactive user she'll use it is like [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► your little place the USS agent to instead he can install it comes back to [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► you can install Perl from their packaging and it's not like you can do [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► all that stuff but it doesn't come out of the box but that so if you're [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► expecting like a Linux home server that you're going to be using interactive [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► least Michelle people wanted that except for me maybe this is not that thing this [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► is an ass and although you can make it a kind of like a Linux machine it's kind [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► of like swimming as the tide do that so you like I went in there for example of [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► condescension cron jobs to do stuff instead of going through the GUI but I [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► don't think crime D was on there maybe was a very clear once I like a shell to [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► give you reason even like basher let alone you know my career Shelties yes [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► you can solve the SH you can install bash against all these things but [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► they're not there to begin with a single tu tu not set of cron jobs but to use it [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► like an ass because there's a GUI interface for all the stuff you have [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► some reputed job you want to do you know go nuts with it so that's that's the [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► only caveat I would give this if you want something that's never good touch [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► storage appliance by this if you want a Linux Home Server bioethics home sir [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► if you if you're gonna wanna like really hack it and how and if you're going to [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► want to do things that it can't do officially and there's a lot of the [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► weekend officials have a kind of like an App Store type interface a package [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► manager interface stuff from you can you can probably brother their site [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► somewhere that I would say it you can ssh into it like I I tried installing [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► the CrashPlan client directly onto it you can have it back itself to crash [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► land and because my CrashPlan server here as we discussed previously because [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► my CrashPlan near servers terrible thing that but I did get a working interest [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► was too slow to upload to matter but you know if you're going into that area of [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► like installing your own package manager and then installing Java and installing [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► your own stuff at that point you might want your PC [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► like you know a regular Linux PC that happens to have a bunch of drives and it [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► may be but if what you're looking for is the next then withdrawn that this is [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► pretty much the way to go yet I had a couple other quick thoughts and one of [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► them actually was about CrashPlan so my two MacBook Pros one of which is works [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► one of which is mine and the one that's mine has crashed plan on it and I told [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► my Mac I told CrashPlan to look out and look at the Synology and back it up the [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► big you know what is it fifteen terabyte array whatever it is and it's ok I know [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► three or four days or something like that because i dont have the problems [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► you have with crash and burn off all of that is now in CrashPlan I'm not paying [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► anything extra for it that's all that's all just up there waiting for me which [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► is really great and the other thing I wanted to point out was just like jon [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► said it really changed my world in i mean that because say for example I [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► really like Top Gear my favorite TV show the the British version and so I have [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► all of these episodes of Top Gear stored on literally 15 or 20 DVDs and as john [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► braided me about early on in the ATP's existence that really isn't a very good [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► mechanism for keeping all of these files additionally I had you know all of our [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► wedding pictures on a couple of DVDs and yes I had a couple of backups of those [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► but all of these things are just sitting on DVDs in various binders a review [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► column from straight out of like 99 there now all they've all been sucked [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► into the Synology and now in principle I never have to worry about them again and [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► that is really awesome and on top of that if I want to watch some random [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► episode from the fifth season or series of Top Gear I can do that in no time [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► whereas before I have to say I thought now I gotta go up to the office [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► find the binder full of top your DVDs figure out which one is the one that has [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► the Top Gear episode of 1812 taking forever now it's all just write their [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► own summary it really has been awesome I've never I've always kinda fell about [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► wanted a network attached storage but I never felt like it was something I [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► needed and now I've been completely changed now I must have this in my life [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► so I definitely recommend it even if you don't get the model we have find a [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► different model that fits your needs by definitely recommended I can't say thank [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► you enough for the folks at Synology for sending off US one that was extremely [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► kind of them to do that I i'm compelled to this point to remind people because [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► no one has yet in this discussion that rate is not a backup solution yes keep [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► repeating that to yourself as many times as possible like 11 I was giving up my [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► analogy and I still haven't come to the final set up that i'm gonna do but [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► mostly I was settling on using is not as a just a box and discs type of thing but [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► close to that we're struggling think of any reason why would supply would set up [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► any kind of raid situation because none of the stuff that I'm using like the [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► reason you want rate is because you don't want down time but I'm not in that [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► type of environment I can be down for a day or two days and it's not a big deal [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► as long as I don't lose data right so I don't need to I go I gotta put that in [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► at least a red one because what if one drive fails right all these things are [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► the vast majority of it for me [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► our backups of things already have probably two other hard drives elsewhere [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► in the house plus in the cloud right and for the few things that I have on there [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► that would only be on solid media files that I'm going to get there on my Mac [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► Pro now so they really are backups now but when I get my new Mac Pro with its [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► internal storage a lot of only be the Synology and when that happens my [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► solution is going to be to set up two volumes on the Synology one of which has [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► all my media and one of its has a regular a backup copy of all the media [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► why would I just do a raid setup because if something goes wrong and accidentally [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► delete everything gets corrupted or something bad happened a back up to [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► something that doesn't change at the same time you change the primary so no [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► RAID solution SHR whenever raid 10 raid 6 is going to save you if you [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► accidentally delete all your files because it will delete them across all [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► your desk them and you say I want those back so I will say you should have a [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► backup so I'm gonna end up giving in too many different slices maybe with a few [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► raid 0 things and they're probably almost no redundancy or data protection [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► all my data protection is probably going to be by having a Synology backup to [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► itself [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► and of course timeline and all going to places that I back up so that's kind of [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► a surprise to me too after all the stuff of thinking about different grades came [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► to stuff I tried many of them and every time I look like this is really what I [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► want and it's one of the few things that made me finally by Carbon Copy Cloner [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► which I bought four years ago has been using super duper but super duper [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► doesn't to network dissing carbohydr corner does so I want to have two [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► volumes on the mass I can have a job that on any of my Mac civil smart copy [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► one super duper technology intelligently copy you know one of those volumes on to [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► the other to make a weekly or whatever backup my media drive instead of you [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► doing around 1850 media 10 thinking that somehow that's protecting him because it [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► wouldn't be an despite all times we talked about it none of us a try to ask [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► as yet no still too afraid of it I mean I'm assuming it works fine but I'm like [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► this work so well why would I was like what is it that I can't do with it the [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► way it is installed kernel extension you know back please [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► well i guess im already crashed print subscriber and probably just what do I [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► case you didn't respond to my crash landing but may still use back place for [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► my local Nikon homicides or agency like you know if you if you wanted to use one [TS]

01:09:28 ◼   ► of the Synology Disk as like a Photoshop scratch disk or something like that like [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► some some disc role where the network protocol overhead might be prohibitively [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► slow for it or weird in other ways and you don't need to share it might work [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► but who knows [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► yeah there's a had the latest version of Scientologist software support for SST [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► some kind of SSD support like an SSD Drive I listened to it yet to read [TS]

01:09:56 ◼   ► catching a few other nasa's do this already also it's not the first to do [TS]

01:10:00 ◼   ► this but [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► yeah it works you know similar to how you'd expect it basically not quite a [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► few drive it basically uses an SSD whatever size you stick it in there and [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► they can use it as a treat cash but I don't know in detail how that works and [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► i was thinkin about would be for people who like massive aperture libraries or [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► something and they use it with the iSCSI interface right and to then they get a [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► little bit extra performance because they're really you know thrashing in [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► forever [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► well the difference though is that if it's it has been using it like fusion [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► drivers is interesting because it's not just a cash is actually moving blocks [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► around and saying this block that being actively read and written to now lives [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► here on the SSD and so economic reads has to be coming rights faster and if [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► it's ever too if it's kind of like a simple dumb cashing arrangement instead [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► where the data still lives on the spinning disks SSDs just like a real [TS]

01:10:53 ◼   ► cash for it then that's great for read but doesn't do you any good for rights [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► yeah I still wish I could I'm still trying to wrangle with this new trashcan [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► Mac Pro like it somehow get if you drive a tank yeah good luck with that [TS]

01:11:10 ◼   ► like a 1.5 terabyte happened so suddenly nasa's my nasa not entirely saw my [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► MacPro prom but that's apples fall not because they didn't put it drives in the [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► damn thing [TS]

01:11:25 ◼   ► good inside so really quick question mark oh and then please tell me about [TS]

01:11:29 ◼   ► something else it's also I've been asked by some friends that actually believe in [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► photography in a way that I don't if if the psychology works as a like a [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► preacher Lightroom I don't even know the terms like a library or something like [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► that and I feel like I saw you answer this via Twitter Email or something like [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► that but do you find for you and/or TIFF especially like what is your workflow [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► can you use this as your primary working drive or how did you guys we really [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► don't know I mean neither a qualified to know tips for the management is she uses [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► her own file and folder structure and uses Adobe Bridge and Photoshop bridge [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► for browsing and light editing and raw and Photoshop for more detail everything [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► so that the bridge is basically a file browser doesn't keep much of its own [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► library around the house for you I use Lightroom which is not actually that [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► different from bridge [TS]

01:12:25 ◼   ► basically a nice interface with a few different like a few additional library [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► management features on top of bridge it has all the same editing controls the [TS]

01:12:35 ◼   ► same unicameral stuff that it does what I like about Lightroom actually I don't [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► like it alot first of all compared aperture its way faster way more [TS]

01:12:45 ◼   ► frequently updated and way more stable and the processing stuff they have is [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► really good it's I would say far ahead of a preacher at this point with no sign [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► of a preacher catching up in time since the aperture always has felt like [TS]

01:12:59 ◼   ► there's nobody working on it and I think it's actually been true for a lot of the [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► time it's been a record anyway so the problem is you know TIFF doesn't use [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► things where the library would be like half there and have her computer she has [TS]

01:13:12 ◼   ► she has some old archive client work that just voters are on the net now but [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► she's not like actively browsing that so you can really tell I actually still [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► keep my entire photo library on my local SSD [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► so the nasa for me does not take a role people keep asking that's all the time [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► and I i cant give you the answer [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► aperture has weird concept of you can have the Masters in one place and then [TS]

01:13:40 ◼   ► you can have the working files are previews locally or something and back [TS]

01:13:44 ◼   ► when I used aperture I used for a couple of years and I never get one of the [TS]

01:13:48 ◼   ► reasons I stopped using it besides all the other problems decided was I was [TS]

01:13:53 ◼   ► never quite clear on where the files were like we're [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► what I'm supposed to imagine here like where is this file do I actually have a [TS]

01:14:01 ◼   ► copy of this file you know can I delete this version of this you know it is I [TS]

01:14:06 ◼   ► can I delete the original and the whole concept of like vaults and reference [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► masters and all this crazy stuff after has to manage files and where they're [TS]

01:14:14 ◼   ► located I could just never have my head around it so I never really used much of [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► it and with Lightroom you could you have a lot more control and I think it's less [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► I think and I don't use the stuff that Headley so with a grain of salt but [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► Lightroom seems to have less automatic management of those files but it gives [TS]

01:14:34 ◼   ► you more control over the file structure and where goes it doesn't try to just [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► hide all the bundling aperture does it has you know you just tell it what [TS]

01:14:42 ◼   ► director import to an important directories and its I like that a lot [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► better but to answer your question I can actually tell you how it is using a [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► fertilizer and as I really can't tell you that's that's one of those examples [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► where maybe I suppose you might be worth considering or trying to know about [TS]

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01:17:43 ◼   ► so there's a couple things I think we could talk about what we're little short [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► on time so do we have any thoughts on army key mapper or whatever it was [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► called you know what I'm talking about I do is I don't know much about it I mean [TS]

01:17:59 ◼   ► I thought to cut for centrist like why can't you know continuing tension [TS]

01:18:05 ◼   ► between Apple's App Store Policies and what third-party Mac software developers [TS]

01:18:11 ◼   ► want or need to do to maintain their business and there's a difference of [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► opinion about how the Mac software business should work and third-party [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► developers rely on upgrade revenue and think it's a reasonable thing to do and [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► Apple doesn't post trying to stop third-party developers from allowing Mac [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► App Store customers to upgrade to a non Mac App Store version so the scheme that [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► army had was like hey you brought her up in the nightcap store you want the next [TS]

01:18:41 ◼   ► incremental update but you don't want to pay full price just uses application [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► that we have it will figure out that you purchased our previous version [TS]

01:18:49 ◼   ► application from the App Store will give you upgrade pricing on purchasing the [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► next version not from the App Store an apple and even allow that tap stop doing [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► that lots of people on Twitter like is that even legal can they stop you from [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► doing that it's like proof of purchase is this some sort of precedent case in [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► law that allowed to do prefer purchase type discounts from competitors or [TS]

01:19:10 ◼   ► whatever this is the App Store there's no law who cares unless you have the [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► money to challenge Apple in court which nobody does basically Adobe and [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► Microsoft who gave her from her in the App Store anyway it's a moot point [TS]

01:19:23 ◼   ► something sweet apple is you know being there being any kind of jerky about this [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► and you don't like our store fine don't be in it and by the way don't try to do [TS]

01:19:35 ◼   ► anything that involves our store like giving your customers a discount and the [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► argument we talk about the parade is over the argument is quicker [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► Twitter why should why should I upgrade be any cheaper than the original [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► purchase and as the only guys have explained on their side and Twitter's [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► about like you get more value from the first purchase of the program if you [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► don't have [TS]

01:19:54 ◼   ► a program and then you do that's incredibly valuable and then when they [TS]

01:19:57 ◼   ► upgrade the program to a fancy new version that's an incremental amount of [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► value above the current menu how but it's presumably not as big a value was [TS]

01:20:05 ◼   ► going for not having a program to have it so that's why upgrade prices should [TS]

01:20:09 ◼   ► be cheaper than the initial purchase the initial purchase has more value to you [TS]

01:20:12 ◼   ► and the upgrade has some value to you but presumably not as much as the entire [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► application to begin with and Apple disagrees and so they don't have a great [TS]

01:20:22 ◼   ► pricing in the store and just continue to be an annoying battle until this gets [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► sorted out in some way to get sorted out of all Mac developers who had any desire [TS]

01:20:33 ◼   ► to leave the Mac App Store but that's probably not gonna happen so I just feel [TS]

01:20:40 ◼   ► so bad for the for the Mac developers that I feel like they don't have a lot [TS]

01:20:45 ◼   ► of leverage unless they in mass leave the upstart like you're saying so sing [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► by themselves they don't really have any leverage and so they just have to deal [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► with it and that's really too bad in and I wish that Apple either maybe they do [TS]

01:20:59 ◼   ► care but they give the outward appearance of not caring about how this [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► works for anyone but themselves and that's that's crummy and it's one of the [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► one of the ways that Apple really disappoints I like we said at half-time [TS]

01:21:12 ◼   ► we discuss this like they [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► theory they could care about the customer is a thinking you know just how [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► low price for everybody is better than upgrade pricing because of my clock in [TS]

01:21:20 ◼   ► making more competitive market and also talked about in the past show you know [TS]

01:21:25 ◼   ► but it is like the upbeat [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► much less charitable opinion that you know many of you have expressed is no in [TS]

01:21:32 ◼   ► reality what they want is for Software to be free because they want there to be [TS]

01:21:36 ◼   ► many attractive reasons to put their hardware and so they want to offer to be [TS]

01:21:39 ◼   ► entirely come out tyson almost free and eliminate any company that can survive [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► by giving away free software so if you need to charge 50 bucks this first [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► version and $10 upgrade pricing you will be eliminated by the company they can [TS]

01:21:50 ◼   ► charge charge $15 for every single version [TS]

01:21:53 ◼   ► year after year and somehow stay in business [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► said in his tiny other thoughts on that and then we have one more topic I'm [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► gonna try to squeeze in if we can try to get program they're not a sponsored the [TS]

01:22:11 ◼   ► shower just using like it and they deserve a break right so how about Nokia [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► Nokia or whatever it's called I'm sure I'm sure parents Iran even know someone [TS]

01:22:20 ◼   ► maybe it's may be able to hear about a non-strategic hurry I was really [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► surprised to hear that was the correct pronunciation but this party taking turn [TS]

01:22:29 ◼   ► for the boring so so what do we think about this Nokia thing I don't see how [TS]

01:22:34 ◼   ► this is really helping anyone and interests mel's of desperation to me [TS]

01:22:39 ◼   ► helping somebody helping both of them both companies it's helping Nokia [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► because they get to save his kind of because they were going down down down [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► and now it's like not our problem haha no Microsoft bought it and that's their [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► fault that our phones Microsoft again if we get back to do they want to be [TS]

01:23:02 ◼   ► devices company according to the bomber plan before he was booed out if that's [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► what they want to be acquiring a hardware manufacture is the logical next [TS]

01:23:14 ◼   ► step and obviously it would acquire the one they're already in bed with with [TS]

01:23:19 ◼   ► their you know Microsoft guy who went to be their CEO and this very intimate deal [TS]

01:23:23 ◼   ► for them to make Windows Phones and why they not show making the best Windows [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► phones so yeah that's the one to buy microsoft has more hardware muscle to go [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► along with its supposed plan to become kind of like Apple and Google Google all [TS]

01:23:37 ◼   ► wrapped into one [TS]

01:23:38 ◼   ► yeah I think Ben Thompson the author of city Korea I think his theory is is [TS]

01:23:44 ◼   ► probably the correct one which is you know because Microsoft already had Nokia [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► / Nakia however it's actually they already had them kind of around their [TS]

01:23:53 ◼   ► finger for a long time for for the last few years ever since it was installed as [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► CEO and you know they already had Nokia being their phone maker they are making [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► was it exclusively Windows Phone smartphones at this point and they were [TS]

01:24:12 ◼   ► making what appeared very good hardware for Windows Phone and so you know [TS]

01:24:18 ◼   ► Microsoft already kind of getting the milk for free there but I don't know if [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► that's the same thing how well it might not be but we got to spend time as to [TS]

01:24:27 ◼   ► why this is necessary is that you know Nokia was by by most people who are [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► smarter than us in this area by most people's assessment is severe financial [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► problems they they were possibly going bankrupt and there was also some rumors [TS]

01:24:47 ◼   ► that maybe they were considering just million toward phones just started using [TS]

01:24:50 ◼   ► just just just to get more market share more more money coming in so if either [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► of those were about to happen if Nokia's about either go bankrupt or start [TS]

01:24:59 ◼   ► becoming an enter a manufacturer that would give Microsoft a pretty big reason [TS]

01:25:04 ◼   ► to help mountain step in there and gets more influence there because if Nokia [TS]

01:25:11 ◼   ► stop making Windows Phones who the heck would you know there's a there's a [TS]

01:25:15 ◼   ► handful of other manufacturers and make them and they're all terrible like Nokia [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► makes the only good ones and Microsoft still you know is is fighting hard for [TS]

01:25:24 ◼   ► went well they're fighting for Windows Phone to still be a thing and not then [TS]

01:25:29 ◼   ► I'm just gonna give in and start making Office for Android has a bunch of [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► Nintendo parallels that we don't have time to get to today they're not gonna [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► do that even if they should the prob not going to so I kind of had to do this [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► theoretically if this is true that kinda had to do this and it might have played [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► a role in why Steve Ballmer has been suddenly kicked out like maybe maybe [TS]

01:25:52 ◼   ► Nokia would only agree to it if if alot became the next Microsoft CEO Steve [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► Ballmer opposed the idea on the board didn't there's all sorts of [TS]

01:26:00 ◼   ► possibilities here but I think that you know given given we've heard about [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► Nokia's financial situation that sounds like a really plausible explanation for [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► all this [TS]

01:26:10 ◼   ► and really if they want to be a company that makes awesome hardware and software [TS]

01:26:14 ◼   ► together there is no getting around then making their own hardware and they've [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► got a taste for with the surface and even with the Zune and of course with [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► the Xbox you just can't it's not the same when it's another company doing it [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► like it because that's that's the reason that the better products and apropos [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► years even though they were dumping them in the market was that it was all in [TS]

01:26:34 ◼   ► house and Apple and Microsoft somehow is like trying to control you know a horse [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► by pair of rains that were you know like poking some believe the stick they could [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► try to influence the people who made PCs like please don't put crap we're on [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► strike strong arm them by requiring you know if you want the Windows logo for [TS]

01:26:52 ◼   ► Windows XP you must include XY and Z you better put a sound chip on your things [TS]

01:26:56 ◼   ► were embarrassed by the PC speaker and you know they had some influence on all [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► the people but it's not the same as when it to you and so they'd see Apple iCal [TS]

01:27:03 ◼   ► spine sure Apple can make a smart because they wanted their insurer Apple [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► doesn't have all these crazy driver and support problems because they make 7 [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► machines they know exactly what they need to support Microsoft second that [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► like it's been it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back and so [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► they need hardware expertise and this this could have been the perfect storm [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► like you know what i'm saying that if they didn't say these people all those [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► beautiful you know Lumia phones would be gone and if you're gonna buy someone [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► anyone help you make loans [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► why would you not by the company it's making currently making the best Windows [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► Phone right so it makes sense from all those different perspectives that people [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► are down in the guild is because they like it is going to be enough to save [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► you really gonna make a difference there is another one year you know stupid [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► deals that you had to make and that doesn't end up changing Microsoft anyway [TS]

01:27:53 ◼   ► it seems like what's what is not let let's say you know in six months from [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► now everything's all settled and they they own this massive division from [TS]

01:28:05 ◼   ► tokyo makes other phones and they can finally start releasing the next [TS]

01:28:08 ◼   ► generation of Microsoft Lumia phones because they they bought the rights to [TS]

01:28:13 ◼   ► use the trademark Lumia not the trademark Nokia couldn't have to buy all [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► of Nokia the only public their phone hardware division [TS]

01:28:20 ◼   ► so suppose six months are now this is all in place and they release Windows [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► Phone 8.5 or nine point out whatever it is on the new Microsoft Lumia whatever [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► what's different then then compared to what what what does this really change [TS]

01:28:36 ◼   ► what is an able besides just a continuation of the status quo which was [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► not working well what is an able enabled them to do things that Apple does like [TS]

01:28:46 ◼   ► say the next version of Windows Windows Phone the point seven rounds up to [TS]

01:28:51 ◼   ► they want to do something with it and they say okay well this version of [TS]

01:28:55 ◼   ► Windows Home only run on this like crazy will only run on such-and-such hardware [TS]

01:29:00 ◼   ► and they could even say it will only run on this new hardware in fact we're going [TS]

01:29:04 ◼   ► to design this new hardware or going to custom pick the GPU and the [TS]

01:29:07 ◼   ► system-on-chip animal will build the entire thing as a unit kinda like we're [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► building an Xbox with the hardware and software time together to work in [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► perfect synergy to give us exactly the GPU Peters we want a clock speed [TS]

01:29:17 ◼   ► memories and besides that we need to implement the software stack that we [TS]

01:29:21 ◼   ► plan to implement an SOS to make a match set instead of saying we're gonna make [TS]

01:29:26 ◼   ► this OS and this is the driver interface and will try to support your things and [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► maybe you should pick like they can make an integrated package that doesn't have [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► to be like we make this over here you make this over there and then we have [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► meetings to work out an interface is because you never end up with an optimal [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► situation like that you want something with low-cost this possible that [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► performs as well as possible in the small amount of power and and you know [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► like the bottom to be matched exactly the same way that Apple does with all [TS]

01:29:52 ◼   ► its phones like crazy and like microsoft does with the Xbox with a control the [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► entire stack so that i think is is the wind that they're looking for doesn't [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► mean that the companies to pull it off but in theory that was not possible [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► before and now it definitely is possible it's just up to them to pull it off well [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► sort of my recollection of the original Windows Phone seven suspects were that [TS]

01:30:14 ◼   ► the heart respect the specifications were pretty specific to your point they [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► weren't as specific as hey guys next door can you build exactly this but they [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► were pretty darn specific and it wasn't a lot of wiggle room [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► but you couldn't you couldn't enter it on like they protect produced the spec [TS]

01:30:30 ◼   ► and said you guys should build this and then they go off and build think and [TS]

01:30:33 ◼   ► they do still have leeway to like pick their own camera battery sizes pick the [TS]

01:30:37 ◼   ► materials orkut the screen technology and stuff like that like it's an apple [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► designs its not like one team goes off and it says here as I was seven years [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► with aspects have to be in the hands off with a paper to the harbor guys and they [TS]

01:30:47 ◼   ► built phone it's totally together it's a process moving in lock-step iterating [TS]

01:30:51 ◼   ► over and over again like revising revising instead of always manufacturer [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► makes a new s provides spec sheet the says Tehran the Southwest you need this [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► hardware it even if the suspect has no variability it's not the same as it [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► having been designed all together and going through durations [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► that's true but we will see what happens when only time will tell I thought [TS]

01:31:14 ◼   ► together good pieces that I read personally were both been thompson's [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► we've heard you talk about one end and there's another that he himself actually [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► going to the chat which has some talk about the value something which I guess [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► worth arising has some playing in some things going on in the board behind the [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► scenes also a horse's take on it which had a delightfully Casey trolling title [TS]

01:31:41 ◼   ► which I gotta find I think was like who bought whom who is buying home reading [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► blurb from that so in a way and acquisition of priorities is almost [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► reverse acquisition the acquired is actually quote buying quote the acquire [TS]

01:31:59 ◼   ► the acquired company's priorities and hence processes and resources become the [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► guiding principles in the acquirer it's what happens when Apple bought next and [TS]

01:32:06 ◼   ► may have happened when Disney bought Pixar and whether or not you buy into [TS]

01:32:10 ◼   ► the theory I thought was really interesting point we forgot the most [TS]

01:32:14 ◼   ► important part of course but has been made many many other people online that [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► when she when you on the hardware company you don't get a $15 license fee [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► for yo ass when they sell the phone like 300 bucks out of the $3,000 cell phone [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► service you got so you make a lot more when you say that the obvious thing that [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► is going on said here but it's worth mentioning oh yeah that's i mean that I [TS]

01:32:34 ◼   ► am sure they wouldn't have even considered the possibility of that [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► wasn't on the [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► oil but don't make much of a difference if no one buys them so I still think of [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► the respective finally you can you have a fighting chance of doing what Apple [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► does you know or what Samsung goes because even though michael simpson [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► doesn't control the US [TS]

01:32:53 ◼   ► well they they don't control it control it but they kinda kinda like I was [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► wonder how many people [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► Samsung has working on their Android us because it's you know it's open source [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► and they customize their us to various degrees so they are more masters of [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► their feet then Nokia was busy imagine that I don't know what the deal is [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► pretty sensuous be Microsoft but I know Nokia previously had all the source to [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► Windows Phone seven and eight and were able to sort of customized it I i mean [TS]

01:33:21 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure they weren't allowed customers because they said we want you [TS]

01:33:24 ◼   ► to have the Windows Phone experience and don't don't change the UI to be like you [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► know the Motorola sent Skinner all those things that people do you know so that [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► it i guess i I can't think of anything less interesting to me at least trying [TS]

01:33:40 ◼   ► to figure out any more detail than we talked about trying to figure out what's [TS]

01:33:44 ◼   ► going on with Microsoft didn't like the whole value Act thing that sounds really [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► interesting when Ben Thompson writes about it I would hate to be trying to do [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► more research on it though I can you imagine having to dig through you know [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► board stuff that it probably is actually I think the board entry part in the [TS]

01:34:02 ◼   ► politics part of it is the most impressive most interesting part of this [TS]

01:34:06 ◼   ► entire deal but has the least are perhaps the most negative bearing on the [TS]

01:34:11 ◼   ► success of the future companies with interest income like a political person [TS]

01:34:14 ◼   ► like you wonder what happened in kind of Game of Thrones right but the more [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► interesting that gets the board bodes ill for the future of these companies [TS]

01:34:22 ◼   ► because of the stiff this deal is really about like was gonna be CEO and [TS]

01:34:26 ◼   ► backstabbing and acquisitions and whose star is rising and falling in the [TS]

01:34:29 ◼   ► corporate ranks that is totally taking their eye off the ball and you do not [TS]

01:34:33 ◼   ► want any kind of drama like that or at the very least you want very intense and [TS]

01:34:37 ◼   ► very brief job drama leaving you to new regime that you know goes along smoothly [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► but this is like a gigantic mess over there and the boardrooms [TS]

01:34:46 ◼   ► and I'm so we aren't there sitting through it all I do and with one quick [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► thing tweet from Japan's reno from few days ago which I think it's nail on the [TS]

01:34:55 ◼   ► head [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► reality check though you and I as consumers can only win of Microsoft and [TS]

01:34:59 ◼   ► Nokia succeed competition only burns the crucible crucible hotter and pure and I [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► think that's dead on and we've all said that many times but if this does work [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► out it did makes Apple work that much harder and Google work that much harder [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► in samsung for work that much harder so I do hope it works out but it's going to [TS]

01:35:18 ◼   ► be interesting that's not true the Metro look who would happily have used her [TS]

01:35:23 ◼   ► inspiration for iOS and exactly that 66 a minefield and on that note on that are [TS]

01:35:32 ◼   ► now let's wrap it up because burning wrong here we gotta get our sleep before [TS]

01:35:37 ◼   ► next week's iPhone episode so thanks to sponsors cover and Squarespace and we'll [TS]

01:35:42 ◼   ► see you next week [TS]

01:35:46 ◼   ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin it was accidental [TS]

01:35:52 ◼   ► accidental [TS]

01:35:57 ◼   ► casey et al and a team Marco [TS]

01:36:44 ◼   ► I'm so excited to be playing with it every day every time I see it [TS]

01:36:50 ◼   ► automatically mountain my desktop and slowly and painfully get a time machine [TS]

01:36:53 ◼   ► backup and then go down there and doing that stuff it's down there doing that we [TS]

01:37:01 ◼   ► still talk about the snow [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► paragraph of the title so close to like getting a Mac Mini or something to be a [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► Plex thing is kind of 20 via just I just families make me so I like computerized [TS]

01:37:15 ◼   ► garden gnome garden statue looks like a robot and a lighter and it's cute I'm so [TS]

01:37:24 ◼   ► happy that I just think of them down there the two of them sit next to me in [TS]

01:37:28 ◼   ► my basement I got on there on the UPS is made just for them which ones burning [TS]

01:37:36 ◼   ► which one [TS]