The Accidental Tech Podcast

33: A 30-Minute Skip Button


00:00:00   he's got a fan on over there is the UK's yeah it's October used only to fan the [TS]

00:00:07   same here in the south [TS]

00:00:08   yeah he lives in a small town there that is so not true it was so humid in july [TS]

00:00:14   july no actually we are going through a little heat wave although I will say in [TS]

00:00:21   this is just between Austin Rivers listening on livestream I definitely [TS]

00:00:27   went to death in turn my fan off when I record any other podcast because I don't [TS]

00:00:31   have confidence that any of them will be able to pull out my fam like you can at [TS]

00:00:36   my desk at the synagogue furniture family doesn't get put on everyone [TS]

00:00:44   else's make their podcast were some of that will do it because I know that [TS]

00:00:48   Marco can strip it without issue I had to edit out Johns Creek it's a few [TS]

00:00:52   episodes ago that I can actually help you can't turn the crickets offer the [TS]

00:00:57   stuff you know I wish I could they do not have off switches and they're very [TS]

00:01:00   hard to find their views on just andy did you see the rumor that that they're [TS]

00:01:09   gearing up for a late October release of Mavericks so excited when I saw the [TS]

00:01:13   Apple Insider post that there was a new build out there wasn't developer preview [TS]

00:01:18   it was typical AppleInsider sounding exciting but really nothing there who [TS]

00:01:23   said I thought they might have been the gym yeah I mean what do you think we got [TS]

00:01:29   to gym like a week ahead of time maybe if that probably means the gym like that [TS]

00:01:40   matters for developers and it matters little bit for me but at this point I [TS]

00:01:44   don't think they're changing anything to 16 bugs and it's good if they're aiming [TS]

00:01:48   for release [TS]

00:01:49   quote this fall well as recorded it at October 3rd so we're getting we're [TS]

00:01:54   getting into fall pretty pretty significantly and its they shouldn't be [TS]

00:01:57   making any noticeable changes things we will see ya I mean like you would expect [TS]

00:02:03   a certain point they're gonna announce the date for the iPad event to write and [TS]

00:02:07   whether those [TS]

00:02:09   as they do that it never stopped at the same time they get to the metro stop or [TS]

00:02:13   they can just do an iPad event and then to announcement but anyway those are [TS]

00:02:17   coming this month right I would imagine did you see I don't know when it when [TS]

00:02:22   this is posted it might have been more than we go over here appears this in the [TS]

00:02:26   chair and this is a key banks result from what appears to be the new Mac Pro [TS]

00:02:34   running a CPU that I didn't even think to look at the e 51 series so 216 a TV [TS]

00:02:41   too and this is it this link is it compared to my Mac Pro the the 2010 3.33 [TS]

00:02:49   gigahertz which is the fastest at a lot of things that aren't extremely [TS]

00:02:51   paralyzed able and and it does substantially better what's interesting [TS]

00:02:57   though is and I looked around I tried to find earlier I tried to find other banks [TS]

00:03:03   results from the other Xeon entries that are probably going to be in the Mac Pro [TS]

00:03:08   and this was by far over all the best but single-threaded stuff and it came [TS]

00:03:14   very close to the best with multi-core it's a really really nice CPU and and [TS]

00:03:20   it's about a thousand bucks Mintel so probably gonna be I don't think it would [TS]

00:03:24   be the base CPU but this might be like a plus $500,000 option so should be good [TS]

00:03:30   enough you too well when you to buy the new Mac Pro are you planning on just [TS]

00:03:36   going i dont no comment on it and just matching this thing out what did you do [TS]

00:03:41   with your current boxes [TS]

00:03:42   well what's interesting about this one and this I believe is a little bit of [TS]

00:03:47   the case last generation not nearly as much Intel is really hitting [TS]

00:03:51   loss here like they they had their process a lot but they haven't really [TS]

00:03:55   been able to really destroy single-threaded performance compared to [TS]

00:04:00   previous generations so that's why they keep adding course however with with [TS]

00:04:04   these new Xeons the whole the whole new if I V two line which is what the macro [TS]

00:04:08   is probably going to be exclusively using actually it has to be exclusively [TS]

00:04:13   using that whole line if you look at the courthouse on the clock speeds as the [TS]

00:04:20   core count goes up the clock speeds go down [TS]

00:04:22   down because they're limited by thermal capacities of the surrounding closure [TS]

00:04:25   and everything so these all have at the same TDP and they can all do this this [TS]

00:04:29   turbo boost thing but with a reduced capacities as the core count goes up and [TS]

00:04:36   and with reduced benefit so what you have basically is a whole bunch of CPUs [TS]

00:04:41   where there's like five different top of the line models that all have different [TS]

00:04:44   characteristics if you're doing more single-threaded stuff mp3 encoding and [TS]

00:04:51   or hate everything Adobe makes if you do it if you do a lot of single threat of [TS]

00:04:57   stuff you'll be better off with a higher clocked CPU with even if it even if it [TS]

00:05:03   means fewer course whereas the top of the line 112 core models only 2.7 [TS]

00:05:07   gigahertz and that like if you do like the multicore test it does substantially [TS]

00:05:14   better than the CPU like this one the scoring like a 24,000 on the new gig [TS]

00:05:18   banks and the 12 core one is like a couple of 29,000 so it's it's not like [TS]

00:05:23   twice as fast but it's it's certainly faster so if you doing things like video [TS]

00:05:27   encoding all day and that debt will be noticeable but for most things the top [TS]

00:05:33   quark models actually not gonna be fastest it'll be better off going with [TS]

00:05:37   something like this where it has fewer course but it can boost my higher value [TS]

00:05:42   John I would get it maxed out of I could afford it but I'm imagine that the top [TS]

00:05:48   and one of these just like the top end of us micro gonna be you know silly [TS]

00:05:52   silly prices but nobody even if you can afford it you feel like you don't want [TS]

00:05:55   to buy a pizza like come on I'm gonna spend as much money as the car on this [TS]

00:05:58   little like trash can attest so I'm looking for that sweet spot of like [TS]

00:06:04   maybe I'll splurge in one particular area but you want some kind of balance [TS]

00:06:08   of performance normally I was forced to buy something close to the top of the [TS]

00:06:13   line because I was one of the best video card they had PTO they usually you can [TS]

00:06:17   figure that and I i dont think the only time I ever got the fastest fastest CPU [TS]

00:06:20   was when the original Power Mac g5 came out and I got the top of the line [TS]

00:06:24   because there was reasonably priced and so you know get the times when you get [TS]

00:06:28   to gear it ever was and you know three year it's coming in here they said so [TS]

00:06:32   here we are in 2013 and we're looking at the score of 3 gigahertz processor so [TS]

00:06:39   yeah I p.m. finally didn't ever deliver over but now be looking to San Marcos I [TS]

00:06:47   got probably going to pick a system with higher clock speed and fewer cars [TS]

00:06:52   because I think that will be better for the things I do any better at this point [TS]

00:06:56   it's like it used to be like well you get a single CPU or double CBO not to [TS]

00:07:01   worry if you need that second one like the the one with fewer chorus has a [TS]

00:07:05   course in it and sent sixteen hyper-threading so it's not like you [TS]

00:07:09   know that was I usually tend to go multicore in the old days of Islamic [TS]

00:07:13   look there's you know your operating system is tons of processes running all [TS]

00:07:16   the time I don't want all these little background demons and stuff and even [TS]

00:07:21   just a single processor multithreaded waiting around for corazon by if I can [TS]

00:07:24   get some of the more cores let them grind away plus multiple processes [TS]

00:07:27   running overtime I want that multiple or so there's less waiting for CBS and even [TS]

00:07:31   though they're not stressing the CD used to say more chorus to pass around but [TS]

00:07:35   everything has tons of course now so the only reason to go to the super multi [TS]

00:07:39   core ones I guess if you have an application that uses the application [TS]

00:07:43   it's massively takes advantage of every car you have to get almost linear [TS]

00:07:47   scaling for double the number of course I don't use any of those applications [TS]

00:07:50   I'm gonna be looking for [TS]

00:07:51   problem I may be owned by the fastest fastest like low number of course [TS]

00:07:57   processor because they don't charge a premium for that too has a lot to do [TS]

00:08:00   with how prices things but until I see the prices maybe I'm getting the [TS]

00:08:05   cheapest one because the cheapest ones gonna be five grand and then you know [TS]

00:08:07   right now the pressure is still such a big question mark on these we have no [TS]

00:08:13   idea what the entry price will be what the CPU upgrades will cost anything i [TS]

00:08:18   mean we don't even have a ball park except that we could assume that it's [TS]

00:08:22   probably not going to be that much different than the previous Mac Pro [TS]

00:08:24   maybe a little more to cover this graphics cards but I'm still betting [TS]

00:08:28   entry price of 3,500 which is higher than the current ones because I I think [TS]

00:08:34   they do have to cover those graphics cards [TS]

00:08:36   with with a healthy margin and certainly the us- assembly is gonna increase their [TS]

00:08:43   costs a little bit but I don't think it's gonna be enough [TS]

00:08:47   relative to the profit margin this product to make any difference in the [TS]

00:08:50   eyes but I don't know I still think that they can put the bottom line pretty [TS]

00:08:55   cheaply made and tell charges than 500 retailer whatever for their thing about [TS]

00:09:00   getting that price and that's probably the most expensive component in the [TS]

00:09:04   system may be the video card gives it a run for its money there's not much else [TS]

00:09:07   in the system just in terms of physical goods in the amount of stuff in there [TS]

00:09:12   you would build your own PC with this processor the process would definitely [TS]

00:09:16   be the most expensive thing in the system and that you buy retail gaming [TS]

00:09:20   video card and motherboard and Casey slapped together and you do that good [TS]

00:09:24   old PC Mac price comparison you can see what is the real present this stuff take [TS]

00:09:30   that home built PC costs and then cut off one job that Apple's actual price I [TS]

00:09:34   think there is room for Apple to get a healthy 45 50 percent margin and still [TS]

00:09:41   offer this machine entry level under three K [TS]

00:09:44   really does GPUs are such a big question mark because I had retail course they're [TS]

00:09:49   very expensive but they're also now gonna be like like a half generation or [TS]

00:09:53   one generation old but I will actually get them right now I now have you got a [TS]

00:09:58   scrappy AMD announced the next gen GPUs what we waited so long for this great [TS]

00:10:02   machine and we don't even have it in our hands on the GPU is already you know [TS]

00:10:06   he's already got their next-generation architecture my go get a bus previous [TS]

00:10:11   generation architecture brand new Mac Pro 1 I'm curious though end and I admit [TS]

00:10:16   I don't know enough about the various legal of the workings of the motherboard [TS]

00:10:20   and and the bus and the chipset and everything is there much of a chipset or [TS]

00:10:24   is it all the new CPU now anyway one thing I noticed though it comparing [TS]

00:10:29   looking on keep looking at the scores comparing the Mac Pro two other CPUs [TS]

00:10:37   that should have similar scores the Mac Pro does a lot better and I'm wondering [TS]

00:10:41   you know we know that the met the new Mac Pro is designed in this crazy way to [TS]

00:10:46   have to basically use every possible PCI [TS]

00:10:49   slain to use every possible amount of bandwidth to the CPU and chipset I [TS]

00:10:55   wonder if they've been able to make some tweaks because they can assume there's [TS]

00:10:59   going to be nothing else on the bus besides what they have in their stuff [TS]

00:11:02   like that is there enough headway for them to light week that to make their [TS]

00:11:07   systems like 10 15 percent faster than you just buying a Supermicro server and [TS]

00:11:14   sticking to see on a like it it is that even possible I don't even know I'd love [TS]

00:11:18   to hear from you know I would think that they would definitely make it ten to [TS]

00:11:21   fifteen percent cheaper because as you said that bait they don't have to worry [TS]

00:11:24   about its internal expansion pretty much at all they do they cover the cost of a [TS]

00:11:29   very custom-designed mother book yeah I know but like its I don't think it's [TS]

00:11:34   outside the you know the expertise of the people who make motherboards it's [TS]

00:11:38   not a standard size or shape but I don't think that's you know I probably did the [TS]

00:11:42   stupid round case in a triangular piece of metal thing is more expensive than [TS]

00:11:45   just getting the boys cut to the rectangular shapes it's not like they're [TS]

00:11:49   gonna do custom motherboards for all their laptops anyway with those crazy [TS]

00:11:52   shapes to work around the components so this is a much this is it relatively [TS]

00:11:56   free our environment room like think of what I plastic motherboards and two [TS]

00:12:01   laptops where there's not a millimeter despair and everything is like every [TS]

00:12:04   every capacitors laid out so just barely clears like the little posted told in [TS]

00:12:08   the screw that was the case together to make many would just tiny phones and [TS]

00:12:12   iPads forget there's no room in there to breathe the iMac which is relatively [TS]

00:12:16   luxurious but they keep squeezing it then Aaron thinner and laptop parts in [TS]

00:12:19   there anyway and then finally the Mac Pro you can have actual rectangles [TS]

00:12:23   actual rectangle printed circuit boards but the lack of any other expansion [TS]

00:12:29   there I would imagine would allow them to just trim every single component [TS]

00:12:34   that's not absolutely necessary to run what they know will be in the box this [TS]

00:12:36   prompted this machine this new Mac Pro is designed to clean physically a lot [TS]

00:12:42   like a couple generations ago game console albeit with much more expensive [TS]

00:12:46   components right but you know it's got it's trying you know one fan erosion [TS]

00:12:51   game console to have one fan to cool the whole thing no internal expansion [TS]

00:12:55   everything's all just like shoved in there [TS]

00:12:58   as a CPU and GPU memory the internal hard drive / replace with SSDs it's like [TS]

00:13:06   a big tubular game console that cost tons of money and probably doesn't run [TS]

00:13:09   games that will do you think that it's going to that the fact that it's going [TS]

00:13:16   to be made in the USA is gonna have any empirical difference in the price I mean [TS]

00:13:21   that he would fire you s customers anyway the extra amount that has to be [TS]

00:13:28   really depends on what shift where like this is that they don't have to ship you [TS]

00:13:34   know china to media but they have to ship probably every thing from China too [TS]

00:13:38   has built and then ship the finished product from kentucky is being assembled [TS]

00:13:43   in america but places that the terms of assembly this is probably easier and [TS]

00:13:49   easier thing to assemble it is not the night machining aluminum and jamming [TS]

00:13:53   little pieces in there and everything it's just you know a metal frame slap [TS]

00:13:57   the printed circuit boards on it make a plastic case a fan on top of power [TS]

00:14:01   supply slapping altogether you're done you know the tolerances amongst those [TS]

00:14:05   major components are a lot better I mean obviously the tolerances within a [TS]

00:14:09   component guard just as bad as always but what you're saying earlier you know [TS]

00:14:13   it's a lot harder to squeeze a bunch of stuff on the phone then it is a trash [TS]

00:14:16   can I was having waking nightmares was idly thinking earlier today about what [TS]

00:14:25   will the fans sound like when I'm playing game and that thing I know when [TS]

00:14:28   i play my current Mac Pro is the only time I ever hear the fans is and it's [TS]

00:14:32   because the fans in like section A nine of the fifteen when sections that are in [TS]

00:14:37   a macro start cranking out the normally don't hit at all because the GPUs doing [TS]

00:14:41   nothing but you know start playing the 3d game for an hour or so I hear this [TS]

00:14:44   wine and it's not the giant CPU fans the smaller ones that are blowing across the [TS]

00:14:49   video card area was also the actual act of course the video card itself and so I [TS]

00:14:55   like wow that's kind of noisy will be better because there's only one fan Earl [TS]

00:15:00   be worse because the only alternative when things get hot in there just to [TS]

00:15:03   crank up the one fan [TS]

00:15:05   have to even higher speeds well the one you have now is that the 8200 the stock [TS]

00:15:08   fan yeah yes I am very familiar with that found that is by far the loudest [TS]

00:15:13   part in that computer even even at idle speeds eventually mind that I guess [TS]

00:15:18   dustin it somewhere and so it became a little bit louder and even at idle speed [TS]

00:15:23   like I would take the lid off and stick my finger on the hub so it stopped at [TS]

00:15:27   fan it was a massive difference in noise like not to the point where you have to [TS]

00:15:32   replace it but the point we're noticing it's kind of an elegant little fan so [TS]

00:15:36   loud that I my g5 where that fan started to go bad and when they start to go bad [TS]

00:15:42   you know just like nails on chalkboard en route to market aftermarket cooler it [TS]

00:15:46   to put in there that was probably actually easier than the old one but so [TS]

00:15:51   far on this 1800 for many years of service it has not started to pick up [TS]

00:15:55   that tells a little scratch that you know is just gonna get louder and louder [TS]

00:15:58   and for a video card fan that I assume you leave your computer on most of the [TS]

00:16:02   time for all the time [TS]

00:16:04   sleep tonight ok that's pretty good but still for video card fan from 2008 to [TS]

00:16:09   last until now that's pretty good always die this is the champion machine like [TS]

00:16:15   this this has had the fewest hardware problems of any Mac I've ever owned [TS]

00:16:19   including all my old classic ones I'm looking forward to seeing what happens [TS]

00:16:25   with the new one you know if it comes out I i'm curious to see benchmarks and [TS]

00:16:29   curious to see like you know when when their feet gets a hold of it and tested [TS]

00:16:34   against the other match against other models within itself I really wanted to [TS]

00:16:39   like how the CPUs perform in real-world use or with real benchmarks once we have [TS]

00:16:44   the retail machines and and see what we can do what what's really going to be [TS]

00:16:47   talking to me is like a whole system performance like accommodate you know [TS]

00:16:52   the PCIe SSDs are they super fast just like now fast EZ are fine but that's [TS]

00:16:57   gonna you know it's gonna feel fast if when you launch the thing and you click [TS]

00:17:02   on system preferences in a littles preference panes or whatever that it's [TS]

00:17:04   like wow I can notice this faster is it gonna feel faster than an existing MAC [TS]

00:17:09   but all I just feel like about the same you know what's crazy is like I don't [TS]

00:17:15   even think it has a Serial ATA controller now I would [TS]

00:17:18   exactly that there's so much stuff that by by getting rid of all the internal [TS]

00:17:22   expansion of so much stuff that it just doesn't need to have and just dedicated [TS]

00:17:27   tons of damage to the stuff it does have it can use it and then just have been 03 [TS]

00:17:33   Thunderbolt controllers and we are done to be interesting but some of the JPEG [TS]

00:17:38   decompress result is that I don't know I have no idea but who knows this is kind [TS]

00:17:48   of like testing the a seven and text benchmark das multi-car scores like [TS]

00:17:54   twice as high [TS]

00:17:55   yeah exactly it's harder to get a hardware instruction is the best way to [TS]

00:17:59   win benchmarks hardware instruction for whatever to their benchmarking wow it's [TS]

00:18:03   10 times faster and one of the reasons why he's looking to benchmarks is like [TS]

00:18:08   even though my current computer has a three or even probably four year old CPU [TS]

00:18:14   by this point this actually isn't that much faster than single-core stuff and [TS]

00:18:22   so I am kinda like i dont wanna buy a whole new Mac Pro and go through all [TS]

00:18:28   that expense if there's not gonna be a Retina Display to go with it and [TS]

00:18:31   therefore you know another reason to get it if there's not gonna be there in the [TS]

00:18:34   display and the there's not going to be a massive upgrade CPU performance [TS]

00:18:39   available like it's kind of stupid to have a three-year-old to have a three [TS]

00:18:43   and a half year old CPU that's almost as fast as what you're about to lunch today [TS]

00:18:47   but I just shows how little progress until you've already got a pci-express [TS]

00:18:52   SSD big one right so like you should definitely look at you know does this if [TS]

00:18:58   we put a black sheet over your desk and didn't tell you if you're using your old [TS]

00:19:02   Mac Pro a new one and you can't tell the difference in maybe wait for the second [TS]

00:19:05   generation I kinda wish I could pay for the second generation system especially [TS]

00:19:09   knowing all the things we know now about well maybe the brightness LEDs will be [TS]

00:19:13   ready yet and and the new GPU architecture from AMD is out and those [TS]

00:19:17   architectures don't change every year you know so it's it would be nice if I [TS]

00:19:21   can't wait for that but I can't wait [TS]

00:19:23   exactly know John how old is the one thing you ever worked as you have a [TS]

00:19:29   macro workers well don't you [TS]

00:19:30   yeah I've got I think it's around five years old but it was the first it was [TS]

00:19:36   what he called the Intel chip whose name starts with him and that I can't [TS]

00:19:40   pronounce that the first home with integrated memory controller it's the [TS]

00:19:43   single CPU socket version of those with the stupid won the triple channel memory [TS]

00:19:50   and RAM slots and I got it because it was the cheapest Mac Pro that was [TS]

00:19:54   available the time and so you know give work breaking instead of getting a $300 [TS]

00:19:59   del crap boxer gonna buy me this super expensive you know what everyone's [TS]

00:20:03   $2,000 Mac but the replacement cycle for machines at work I think that was like [TS]

00:20:08   18 months or something for the Dell laptops that everybody gets and I've had [TS]

00:20:12   this machine for five years I feel like I really they got their money's worth [TS]

00:20:16   but that's what I was going to ask is are you replacing both home and work or [TS]

00:20:20   do you think you gonna do one and not the other [TS]

00:20:22   I don't have any control what happens when I have put an SSD in the one at [TS]

00:20:25   work so like it's you know I kind of got a new machine when I put in that was [TS]

00:20:28   like five or something so I'm I'm not hurting it work for you know for CPR but [TS]

00:20:33   definitely get home and see how it goes and then see how much work I might even [TS]

00:20:39   ask for an iMac next or something I don't know if I really need that the Mac [TS]

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00:22:55   extolling the virtues of swear space and how they loved it so much into things [TS]

00:22:58   like that which one person who I know doesn't listen to my podcasts and you [TS]

00:23:03   know wasn't winning in response to a sponsored message from Squarespace but [TS]

00:23:07   it was just a user of Squarespace who is a non-technical person who want to have [TS]

00:23:11   a website he said those who are space I love you so much everything is that we [TS]

00:23:14   thought that makes me think that it's not like it's Christmas another podcast [TS]

00:23:18   new sponsor lot of podcasts and advertising and [TS]

00:23:21   their venues or whatever but regular people to use the product also actually [TS]

00:23:25   like it helps absolutely going back a second before I forget first of all the [TS]

00:23:32   good question is how they want to second also but going back to the Mac Pro for [TS]

00:23:36   second the reason I asked earlier what video card you had everything I forgot [TS]

00:23:40   to actually finish this point but have you heard the fans spin up on the retina [TS]

00:23:44   MacBook Pro probably in the office where everything's noisy but not not not in [TS]

00:23:52   terms of time using one here because I've never really use one train extended [TS]

00:23:55   period so it's that was the one where they first had their asymmetrical blade [TS]

00:23:59   thing and it's actually really really good like it's very quiet even expected [TS]

00:24:05   not to be and then when it does come to full speed you can hear it but it almost [TS]

00:24:10   sounds like quite noisy gets really pink noise one of those various expensive [TS]

00:24:14   office was it like it sounds kinda like air ruching not as much like a worrying [TS]

00:24:20   high pitch noise it hard to describe you really have to hear it but it is it [TS]

00:24:25   sounds better and it is less noticeable than a fan of irregular design spinning [TS]

00:24:31   at roughly the same speed so I think the new Mac Pro will it also has that same [TS]

00:24:38   design them believe they mention specifically it also has these metal [TS]

00:24:40   blades and it's one giant slow fan I think so I double checked yes please do [TS]

00:24:48   second but if they do the same thing I would imagine that having one giant fan [TS]

00:24:55   that has the capacity to cool to cranking GPUs and one cranking Xeon up [TS]

00:25:01   to 12 cores plus the power supply to the whole thing that's a lot of capacity so [TS]

00:25:05   if you're distressing part of it like just the CPU I would imagine doesn't [TS]

00:25:09   happen that fast cool that adequately and so i i would guess it would probably [TS]

00:25:14   be pretty quiet now is the retina MacBook Pro that you and i were really [TS]

00:25:20   you stole from Jason's now [TS]

00:25:22   an yes that was it ok that I heard about was there with you this was WDC last [TS]

00:25:29   year and you're absolutely right it you can hear him for sure but it sounds a [TS]

00:25:33   lot less offensive which is weird if I was listening to this and hadn't heard [TS]

00:25:38   the fans on the retina MacBook Pro I think that we're all crazy but it really [TS]

00:25:41   is different and it really does make a difference [TS]

00:25:44   yeah oh and john's solo in a chat has just confirmed from Apple's Mac Pro [TS]

00:25:49   promise site that it does have its material spaced blades [TS]

00:25:53   impellers not propellers yet this weird giant thing anyway so you into question [TS]

00:25:58   that I wanted to get to from a few minutes ago is from Brad hyphen hyphen [TS]

00:26:02   colon in the chat room he said are you are you supposed to put the Mac Pro on [TS]

00:26:07   top of the desk or on the floor [TS]

00:26:10   the new one so what do you think I that's actually a good question I don't [TS]

00:26:13   know what you're supposed to put it on top of a mean everyone who's had a probe [TS]

00:26:18   into now put on the floor right by the macro supposed to go in the first thing [TS]

00:26:22   I was thinking about my MacPro as I reached down to plug in my podcast [TS]

00:26:26   microphone I plugged into the front of my MacPro gonna say well I can be doing [TS]

00:26:29   that anymore it is a more front ports rotates but you know that makes for [TS]

00:26:34   interesting demo but the thing with cable sticking out of it all you know [TS]

00:26:40   it's like those load the diagram of like Mac Pro 2010 work shows are big tower [TS]

00:26:45   that is Mac Pro 2013 it shows the trash can with a million peripherals hang out [TS]

00:26:49   with you please stop sending it to us we've seen it like that you know I'm [TS]

00:26:55   thinking already have a USB hub attached to a pro like everything about my [TS]

00:26:59   problem USB hub or something but I won't be able to plug something into the front [TS]

00:27:04   of it anymore for putting on the floor if you put it would look like you have [TS]

00:27:09   like a tragedy I mean I think it's too small only to be on the floor by itself [TS]

00:27:16   a Mac Mini on the floor [TS]

00:27:18   Nicholas like doing down there and also it's got little vent holes on the bottom [TS]

00:27:24   and so if you put it I think it does and I want to put that on a carpet like my [TS]

00:27:28   Mac Pro is a little feat in itself off the company I really don't want to put [TS]

00:27:32   anything that's going to sign a sink into the carpet and would even be steady [TS]

00:27:36   down there like knocking over its not big people haven't seen any person who [TS]

00:27:41   looks big in the advertising pictures like it's not it's not a big computer so [TS]

00:27:44   I kinda like it on the floor against the noise like below the level of the desk [TS]

00:27:48   and out of earshot for me but this is probably going to go on my desk and it [TS]

00:27:53   doesn't take a lot of room but it will take more than 20 rooms and all the [TS]

00:27:57   cables in the back of it and and you will hear the fan more than you would if [TS]

00:28:00   it was on the floor but then again the fan is also now the only moving part in [TS]

00:28:04   her computer [TS]

00:28:05   yeah we don't macro cause I wanted to should be can I ask the arbiter of all [TS]

00:28:12   things follow-up will you allow me to do one brief piece of follow-up so we [TS]

00:28:17   stopped getting spammed depends on what it's about it's what you got over my god [TS]

00:28:22   we get this we've been getting every hour we have been getting it all know [TS]

00:28:27   what we've been getting our fair share as well yeah do you want to come to this [TS]

00:28:31   show we talked about that I suggested a future for Marcos podcast app last week [TS]

00:28:37   half-jokingly of improving the audio experience in many many view Gordon to [TS]

00:28:42   tell me that I should use the built-in feature of the regular audio scrubber [TS]

00:28:46   where you slide your finger up to change the speed from like grabbing quarter [TS]

00:28:52   speeds governor finds grabbing a lot of people thought that was actually a new [TS]

00:28:55   feature in iOS 7 it's not it's been around for a very long time I think [TS]

00:28:59   maybe three people asked like doesn't do what you want [TS]

00:29:04   no it doesn't doesn't do it I want like I did a better job explaining the coffin [TS]

00:29:09   is difficult to explain visual stuff like this but the key thing of that [TS]

00:29:13   features liking for when you're trying to scrape through to our podcast or [TS]

00:29:17   something really long is that it doesn't change the visual feedback even though [TS]

00:29:21   you supposed to have more fine control like when you move your thumb and she [TS]

00:29:24   doesn't really [TS]

00:29:25   of the whole thing and then it doesn't change how far as a little play had to [TS]

00:29:29   move so into our podcast a single retin a picture look like 10 seconds and so [TS]

00:29:33   how do you find scrub through thirty seconds of audio when that represent one [TS]

00:29:37   that's represented by three random pixels yes you can move your finger [TS]

00:29:41   you're not looking at some of them but you don't know how far you've gone kind [TS]

00:29:44   of like you what I'm looking for is trying to spend less time playing video [TS]

00:29:46   game now geez you wanna connection between what you do with your finger and [TS]

00:29:49   an immediate clear visual response showing what you're doing and a clear [TS]

00:29:53   visual response isn't like plan doesn't move player doesn't move plan was one [TS]

00:29:57   ready to pick someone represents ten seconds that is not a contradiction [TS]

00:30:01   between thumb and finger which is why I'm looking for something but zooming or [TS]

00:30:04   some kind of thing where it's more like playing a video game and it's you know a [TS]

00:30:08   complete 60 frames-per-second very responsive experience of zooming in and [TS]

00:30:12   zooming out and zooming in when you're doing fine movement is doing so that the [TS]

00:30:17   movements of visual movements are connected directly and always always you [TS]

00:30:21   know you always see immediate to scale feedback of your finger but the amount [TS]

00:30:26   of time that it represents changes because resuming a very difficult to say [TS]

00:30:31   about the features a lot of people like oh that's cool feature I would love that [TS]

00:30:34   our market should do that and the thing about any features especially when [TS]

00:30:37   you're just like wouldn't it be cool if you can't tell until you so I'm not [TS]

00:30:42   saying that this is going to be this would be the best thing in the world it [TS]

00:30:45   could very well be that if you went and implemented it would be terrible the [TS]

00:30:48   first three tries to be terrible you'd find out this is you know a different [TS]

00:30:52   approach we better like a lot of people think you know you just described an [TS]

00:30:55   idea maybe you draw something on napping I can just make that I know that will be [TS]

00:30:59   good you don't know until you actually implemented and sometimes especially in [TS]

00:31:01   this case implementing it can be very difficult and complicated especially [TS]

00:31:04   here in like a game programmer used to trying to do you know responsive control [TS]

00:31:08   systems so you really have to know that I think it was weighing the seventy-nine [TS]

00:31:12   but you really have to know what you're looking for in terms of are you trample [TS]

00:31:16   met this really complicated difficult feature that may not even work out I [TS]

00:31:19   won't know until I get it implemented a pretty wasted a week trying to get it [TS]

00:31:22   done so that's that's the calculus for doing this and that's why despite the [TS]

00:31:26   tax people like oh I would totally buy this program said they'd be like five [TS]

00:31:29   people who would buy this program if you had the speed was a factor of killing 10 [TS]

00:31:34   people but one of them don't like man a lot of a place like 10 and so we have 10 [TS]

00:31:41   people would do it but they don't know if I can be there because you can't you [TS]

00:31:44   cannot tell you can't even tell if like a nap I cannot wait forever for [TS]

00:31:48   something is going to be good that uses more or less simple scrolling and and [TS]

00:31:52   just as you can't even tell that's going to be good to you on this thing I'm not [TS]

00:31:56   I'm saying nobody should do this and I think it would be a cool teacher [TS]

00:31:58   someone's gotta be in their bonnet about making this really cool but I am under [TS]

00:32:02   no illusions about that whether the thing I said was described would [TS]

00:32:05   actually be awesome and how difficult it would be to get it to be awesome there's [TS]

00:32:08   a reason [TS]

00:32:09   making awesome games is difficult because you get something working in a [TS]

00:32:13   game engine if not hard enough but then it's probably terrible until you tweak [TS]

00:32:16   it death to try to get it just so yeah I mean this there's been so many things [TS]

00:32:22   like with it went well as making Instapaper there are so many things that [TS]

00:32:25   I tried and threw it away because I couldn't get the right or they sounded [TS]

00:32:29   cool in theory I've dug up this link in the chat now where it sounds cool in [TS]

00:32:37   theory oh let me use the accelerometer to do [TS]

00:32:41   anti-shake on the screen so that whenever I was like riding the subway [TS]

00:32:46   New York trying to read my phone you get jostled so much on the train that it's [TS]

00:32:51   kinda hard to keep your eyes on the screen so I tried to Santa shake thing [TS]

00:32:54   and I just could not get it right and if you don't get it exactly right [TS]

00:32:59   it actually makes it worse motion sickness you have to get exactly right [TS]

00:33:03   has to be extremely responsive and I just couldn't do it like I as far as I [TS]

00:33:06   can tell I don't think the hardware is accurate enough to probably wouldn't be [TS]

00:33:12   that's you might find out maybe this feature at my dad isn't actually [TS]

00:33:15   possible on the hardware may be the only possible under 5s but not possible on [TS]

00:33:19   most people's phones people out exactly and so so I have to say I mean that's [TS]

00:33:25   the kind of thing right now I'm probably not going to probably not going to make [TS]

00:33:30   it into version one but I am gonna lie I would have gone to play with the [TS]

00:33:34   scrubbers for a while [TS]

00:33:36   and so I do want to attach to it had that problem sometimes but it's probably [TS]

00:33:40   not important to put in 1.0 if that was going to be a 1.0 feature it would be [TS]

00:33:45   the flagship feature of an app like an app that includes that kind of thing is [TS]

00:33:48   1.0 feature that would be when the app is known for because that's the type of [TS]

00:33:51   thing we're like he would single your time and do this like I'm going to make [TS]

00:33:54   whatever it is you're going to make its gonna have a scrubber in like my whole [TS]

00:33:57   experience is gonna be focused on this covers Roberts gonna be with my apt is [TS]

00:34:00   known for the apathy awesome scrub and that's not really what you're making [TS]

00:34:05   well it might be a mean you know i i talked last week I think a little bit [TS]

00:34:10   about how it's challenging to make the Now Playing screen leach a challenge to [TS]

00:34:14   design that because that's the whole rest of the app honestly I don't care [TS]

00:34:18   about the design make it work I make it look good but the whole rest of the [TS]

00:34:22   avenue kind of navigation structural thing it doesn't really matter it's [TS]

00:34:27   probably gonna be a budget able to use because it doesn't really matter what [TS]

00:34:30   matters to me the most by far is the playing experience when you using the [TS]

00:34:35   controls on the playback screen and you doing doing the most common actions that [TS]

00:34:40   you're likely to do when you interact with your podcast app and that's not [TS]

00:34:43   navigation and it's not adding removing shows its playback controls and seeking [TS]

00:34:49   and stuff like that that is the kind of thing out there I do wanna get really [TS]

00:34:52   right and is there anything else that's going on with overcast you'd like to [TS]

00:34:57   share anything from last week it was one of my forgetting you're asking that is [TS]

00:35:02   if you have something in mind [TS]

00:35:03   no no no no no I I'm rewriting my pandering half of my sink protocol [TS]

00:35:10   tonight how you you have been released a purity chucking it all no no just like [TS]

00:35:16   the idea of the same but I was using ok so I have to figure out so the server it [TS]

00:35:24   has server-side crawling I'm pretty sure I've said that before signing reveal [TS]

00:35:26   anything new here has service i crying of course that's that's the obvious we [TS]

00:35:30   do it in this in this day and age and there's a lot of benefits to it so I [TS]

00:35:34   have to figure out when the server tells the client what episodes should be in [TS]

00:35:40   this person's account does it include obviously the list of feed that you are [TS]

00:35:46   subscribed to but [TS]

00:35:48   doesn't include every episode that's in those fees or just the ones that are [TS]

00:35:54   like that are new to you adjust the unplayable is to you in other words do [TS]

00:35:58   you include all the back episodes and if you do you can do some cool things like [TS]

00:36:03   you can you can instantly title over to the list of all episodes and had certain [TS]

00:36:08   ones baccarat you know make certain things faster navigation management [TS]

00:36:11   right after I tell you they don't care about medication management [TS]

00:36:16   it improves things there and the downside though is that there's a lot of [TS]

00:36:21   there's been a lot of objects for the sync engine to manage to get to somehow [TS]

00:36:26   keep keep track and keep in sync this much larger set of items as you're [TS]

00:36:32   communicating between these two things and so I didn't want to take a whole lot [TS]

00:36:35   of damage so I made the first sync platform or sink protocol totally binary [TS]

00:36:42   on the way up so when the device communicates to the server its end as [TS]

00:36:48   part of the request as the request body at sent like a binary stream of a whole [TS]

00:36:54   bunch of integers base and it worked fine and it was really really small use [TS]

00:37:01   very little damage to communicate information for a lot of items they [TS]

00:37:04   really did fairly intelligent packing work there how and by the way I treated [TS]

00:37:09   a couple weeks ago that I I hit my 64 bit bug where I had struck a line issue [TS]

00:37:15   that's what it was it was in that by now you just taking native see structures [TS]

00:37:19   and send them over the wire no I was packing them into an annotated but [TS]

00:37:23   otherwise yes [TS]

00:37:24   which I learned as protocol buffers or something [TS]

00:37:28   got them sitting there waiting for you to use them about their work and 64 bit [TS]

00:37:31   anyway so I as I was designed the system and as I was using it it became [TS]

00:37:37   increasingly clear that it was going to be very hard to expand it was fairly [TS]

00:37:43   error-prone and it was just being a pain in the butt and so I feel you know what [TS]

00:37:48   this is 2013 I don't need to be using a binary protocol so now I am changing it [TS]

00:37:53   to just a JSON dictionary that I run through Jesus gets it most of the way [TS]

00:37:58   down to the to the original size because the dictionary just the same few keys [TS]

00:38:02   followed by the same few digits 0 through 10 at Huffman codes pretty well [TS]

00:38:08   and it actually compresses fairly well so I I am changing that part of it to [TS]

00:38:16   just be a little bit less technically cool and a little bit more functional [TS]

00:38:21   and less fragile less prone to things like NDN changes behind all this stuff [TS]

00:38:29   is doing on the server interpret this they really didn't need to be doing I [TS]

00:38:32   think you made it more technically called unless it is uncool to send [TS]

00:38:35   binary did anyway you know what if you don't mind do you see Greg Minton [TS]

00:38:46   question I would like to address their yeah I actually had just added that in [TS]

00:38:49   the show notes tonight but I didn't know if you would want to address that are [TS]

00:38:53   not sure I'll dress that aren't so great question is why the contact form he said [TS]

00:39:00   do you anticipate any conflict of interest between ATT and overcast for [TS]

00:39:05   example would you feel resistance towards implementing a potentially cool [TS]

00:39:08   feature like a more seamless add skip button out of fear that devalue ATP's at [TS]

00:39:13   ok so out of all possible conflicts of interest I can't I can't think of the [TS]

00:39:19   ball right now maybe something might come up Sunday I don't know but I will [TS]

00:39:22   address that one in particular because I have thought it would be really cool [TS]

00:39:26   since I'm gonna have server-side infrastructure it would be really cool [TS]

00:39:29   to do basically the the Amazon Kindle popular highlights feature [TS]

00:39:37   for things that are skipped and podcasts and that would be an easy way to build [TS]

00:39:41   the kind of an automatic add skipper or automatically skip Merlin's comic book [TS]

00:39:45   section thing I love Merlin targets so you know it would be it would be [TS]

00:39:53   interesting for that however I love podcasts and I love podcast creators and [TS]

00:39:59   I am podcast creator and so I do I wouldn't want to because I know in [TS]

00:40:04   reality what that would do if this got popular even just the existence of this [TS]

00:40:10   in an app that any sponsored heard of that would to some degree devalue [TS]

00:40:15   podcast ads and even if I didn't have my own show just caring about the ecosystem [TS]

00:40:22   as much as I do I don't think I wanna do that I think I think I would feel bad [TS]

00:40:26   doing that and you know if you want to get that on your own that's that's fine [TS]

00:40:31   I've I've skipped a day before you know it's it's not the end of the world if a [TS]

00:40:35   few people skip ads but to enable it to make it much better in math like that [TS]

00:40:39   would do some damage and I and i dont wanna do that the last thing I want this [TS]

00:40:44   medium is not very big it's mostly various mostly very small producers [TS]

00:40:49   often like single people are small group of people like us to very small [TS]

00:40:53   producers right we're not talking about the grouping on NBC here you know we're [TS]

00:40:56   talking about ripping off small people the cuts and so I just would not feel [TS]

00:41:02   good doing that and yet that probably has something to do with me having my [TS]

00:41:06   own show but the reality is if I if I thought about it at all even have my own [TS]

00:41:11   show it would it would still feel it wrong to do so I that's the kind of [TS]

00:41:15   features I'm going to almost definitely not do now but there's a gray area there [TS]

00:41:20   is there not in what I mean by that is you could have a thirty second skip [TS]

00:41:24   button but you could avoid the cool kid coalescing of all this data to get the [TS]

00:41:30   communal skip to dessert I do have a thirty second set but I think that's an [TS]

00:41:35   important feature to have for his client and then mostly comes back tomorrow and [TS]

00:41:39   comics right entirely no just 30 seconds doesn't put a dent in the [TS]

00:41:45   thirty-minute skip but so you know it's important to have to say that but I'd [TS]

00:41:54   rather like leave that to the user [TS]

00:41:57   leave it to them to step up their own escape and massively enable automatic at [TS]

00:42:03   skating at scale you know that's that would just be kind of a dick move to the [TS]

00:42:06   whole industry [TS]

00:42:09   good idea that I would like to know which sections like it if it's kind of [TS]

00:42:13   like only line up votes and comments [TS]

00:42:15   set of downloads very set of people marking the second is that they want to [TS]

00:42:18   skip how many you know who just having built like the equivalent of dropping a [TS]

00:42:23   marker of people when they're listening parties particularly good hit like a [TS]

00:42:27   star something like expands out in three directions makes like a centrally [TS]

00:42:33   located the point then you could see where the point cluster like oh this is [TS]

00:42:36   the funny part of this is the part with the most likes stuff that's a good yeah [TS]

00:42:40   that's that's the kind I do mean I thought about to like whether whether I [TS]

00:42:44   want to go into this whole area of detailed stats tracking because that [TS]

00:42:50   would probably anger some people if I just snuck it in that like oh by the way [TS]

00:42:54   I'm recording the sections that you skip on my server to accumulate with other [TS]

00:42:58   people's data and then present this to people in some you know anonymous but [TS]

00:43:02   accumulated way or even just like what they listen to and went right like I i [TS]

00:43:06   do want to start tracking and and get into things like you know what I want to [TS]

00:43:11   tell publishers how many people who use ericks ascribe to your feed how many [TS]

00:43:15   people of those listen to this episode and how many of those people started but [TS]

00:43:20   didn't finish it or you know how far did they get on average I wanna go tell [TS]

00:43:23   publishers that first of all as a publisher it be interested to know that [TS]

00:43:27   and second of all if you're in a position where you have a bunch of [TS]

00:43:30   people using a client and you control the server side of it why not have that [TS]

00:43:34   data and look at it and try to gain some kind of insight and try to share that [TS]

00:43:37   with the world like there there's not a lot of reason not to do that except that [TS]

00:43:40   it will it will anger some people to be collecting that so i i i wana if I do [TS]

00:43:45   choose to do that I don't even know that making the 110 probably not but if I do [TS]

00:43:49   to say that I'm going to be very upfront about that [TS]

00:43:52   because that would be weird if I wasn't now would you as a means to me [TS]

00:43:58   overcast have a different income channel would you consider not selling the data [TS]

00:44:04   but perhaps only access to that data so others so I don't know either other [TS]

00:44:09   podcasts owners I mean I guess you kinda maybe you already answered that in a [TS]

00:44:14   moment ago but would you would that be free if I had a different podcast and I [TS]

00:44:20   wanted to know all the detailed statistics about what [TS]

00:44:23   overcast users are doing my podcast how do you how do you envision spreading [TS]

00:44:27   that well I wanna be the anti stitcher here now [TS]

00:44:32   stitcher stitcher basically if you if you want your podcast to be on their [TS]

00:44:38   network or if they somehow added without ever telling you all your hits go to [TS]

00:44:43   them as they cash the file made the transcoded and everything so so all [TS]

00:44:47   those hits don't go back to your server so there's a book should listen to your [TS]

00:44:50   show that you can track unless you work with stature which means signing up with [TS]

00:44:54   them and then you know agreeing to all their crazy terms and some of them are [TS]

00:44:58   pretty crazy and all this stuff it doesn't it doesn't make me feel good to [TS]

00:45:03   even think about working with them ever and so the last thing I want to do is is [TS]

00:45:08   if I am Legend these stats even though I'm not gonna be transferred to people's [TS]

00:45:11   files but if if I collect any stats about shows the public just on the site [TS]

00:45:17   just here you know on the page that shows the show just hears about it I [TS]

00:45:20   know I I would feel better about doing that I think but is that dicey in the [TS]

00:45:25   sense that to some degree listener numbers are kind of like a salary and [TS]

00:45:30   oftentimes podcast producers don't like to share that kind of data I was [TS]

00:45:35   certainly but you know the reality is my one client on this one platform of ILs [TS]

00:45:42   is very unlikely to ever get big enough that these numbers represent the entire [TS]

00:45:46   market or even know even like a uniform subset of sure it's very unlikely to [TS]

00:45:52   ever the case so I don't think it would cause that kind of problems you know you [TS]

00:45:55   could look at you can already look at things like my car for an underscore [TS]

00:45:59   David Smith his partner only thing he know he's he's told us about how are [TS]

00:46:03   somehow our show ranks in his apt relative to other shows but that's just [TS]

00:46:07   his at bandits differently that's a very different ranking unlike the iTunes Top [TS]

00:46:10   podcast chart you know and you look at things like in stochastic pocket casts [TS]

00:46:15   that today already have directories and they will listen to their most popular [TS]

00:46:18   shows among people using their apps and it's all a pretty different said he knew [TS]

00:46:23   that the tech podcast went pretty well all of them but it's all very different [TS]

00:46:27   from the Titans top podcast directory and that's obviously we're not looking [TS]

00:46:31   at a uniform random subset of the overall market with any of his clients [TS]

00:46:35   tech nerds listen to secular podcast and black podcast apps [TS]

00:46:40   David Smith stopped I think like this american life was like mid pack and like [TS]

00:46:46   tank in the reality this american life gets slightly more than all the tech [TS]

00:46:52   podcast universe combined so not not represent that's why I think I don't [TS]

00:46:56   think it's probably a big deal to you know because it's like any show that you [TS]

00:47:02   are on is going to probably have a disproportionate number of listeners in [TS]

00:47:06   your pocket you talk about on your show so you know it's not you think the [TS]

00:47:12   information be interesting but certainly not want to sell I just like hearing is [TS]

00:47:15   take it for what it is you know it's kind of like one something happens [TS]

00:47:18   websites when the show like a lot you know I was 7 adoption numbers and they [TS]

00:47:22   show like the hits their website that does not Iowa Senate option number [TS]

00:47:25   that's people who go to your website style numbers in your website is about [TS]

00:47:29   iOS and Apple stuff and you know it's not this probably is very difficult to [TS]

00:47:36   pick any single website to be representative of Iowa's adoption as a [TS]

00:47:40   whole but certainly it's not going to be some apple tech news site that is going [TS]

00:47:44   to be right and like you know the answer c/o laugh underscore in the Chad listing [TS]

00:47:52   rankings is very different from listing numbers of subscribers that's true [TS]

00:47:57   however I think if I did list numbers and not just relative ranks the worst [TS]

00:48:02   that would show you know because I'm not going to be taking over like half the [TS]

00:48:05   market or anything [TS]

00:48:06   the most this is gonna show is how few people use my app that's the likely [TS]

00:48:12   outcome is like WoW like your appetite you know you only have like 500 people [TS]

00:48:18   to listen to this American life and your appetite by you have nobody using your [TS]

00:48:21   act like that's that's that would be the bigger risk there it's not like it's not [TS]

00:48:26   that I would like become so huge that all the sudden you be able to tell her [TS]

00:48:31   how everyone's doing just based on my eyes my stats so I don't know it's it's [TS]

00:48:37   a tricky thing I probably won't even do it in version one just cuz it's not [TS]

00:48:40   worth the time but i i would like to look at that in the future [TS]

00:48:45   anything else except all need in the market you are doing well let's tell me [TS]

00:48:56   about something else that's all this really is awesome they're pretty cool [TS]

00:48:59   this is one of the coolest people are some of the coolest people that sponsor [TS]

00:49:03   podcast no no no offense to our sponsors but these guys really hit it out of the [TS]

00:49:06   park it is of course igloo software aka igloo igloo is an internet you will [TS]

00:49:12   actually like a glue software dot com slash ATT [TS]

00:49:17   knows that we sent you that would keep buying sponsorships and we can keep [TS]

00:49:21   buying new Mac Pros that we can have the credibility to tell you to buy the new [TS]

00:49:25   Mac Pro and then you can rationalize your upgrade with a good you can share [TS]

00:49:29   content quickly with built-in apps they've built in blogs calendars [TS]

00:49:33   file-sharing forums twitter-like microblogs and wikis everything is [TS]

00:49:37   social you can comment on any type of content you can add mention your [TS]

00:49:41   co-workers you can follow content for updates and you can use tags to group [TS]

00:49:44   things around the way you work you can also add on rooms like many ACLU's [TS]

00:49:49   each other teams to working very easy to use the whole thing as drag and drop it [TS]

00:49:54   features responsive design and his beautiful funds from type get your igloo [TS]

00:49:59   is enterprise-grade security and you can start using it right away this really [TS]

00:50:02   cool it's all the stuff that you get from big social networks and big social [TS]

00:50:07   products that normally your internet is like stuck in the eighties all this [TS]

00:50:11   stuff that we've been finding out that works in the school and the consumer web [TS]

00:50:14   they take a lot of the stuff to the best of his stuff and then make it work for [TS]

00:50:19   enterprise internet with all privacy and security that you need when you're [TS]

00:50:22   working at a price so it is free to use for a teams of up to 10 people that's [TS]

00:50:28   pretty cool that will cover a lot of companies there [TS]

00:50:30   owners have out there and when you're able to grow so fast that it's only $12 [TS]

00:50:34   per person per month so if nothing else [TS]

00:50:37   check out the website just to see that really cool funny videos about their [TS]

00:50:41   service and they're made by none other than only sandwich or sandwich videos so [TS]

00:50:46   they have their own sammich videos really cool check him out a clue [TS]

00:50:51   software dot com slash ATP to start building your igloo thanks luckily for [TS]

00:50:55   sponsoring the show so I wanted to ask you Marco since you and while the world [TS]

00:51:01   conspired against me and you got your 5s just before the show last week not that [TS]

00:51:05   I'm still bitter about that how they've had a week with it any new and [TS]

00:51:09   interesting thoughts to be honest I really don't have anything new and [TS]

00:51:12   interesting I still love the thing but you only had brief moments with it [TS]

00:51:16   before the shows I didn't know if you had anything interesting to add I don't [TS]

00:51:21   really know it's it's my new iphone it works I like it have you given up on [TS]

00:51:25   Dutch Rd yes I have I am going to singleton with you actually with all of [TS]

00:51:31   us except John Singleton next week and I'm probably going to turn it on there [TS]

00:51:37   just to have like just try to look with a conference setting like I said earlier [TS]

00:51:41   my phone in the conference but the reality is I don't really have my phone [TS]

00:51:46   anywhere you know I never take out of my pocket I never like leaving a table I [TS]

00:51:51   get my phone in my pocket or in my hand that's it so i dont really I've never [TS]

00:51:56   really had the need like no one's ever picked up my phone and not lunch so the [TS]

00:52:01   only reason I really need it would be like if somebody actually stole my phone [TS]

00:52:04   out of my hand which does happen you know but that's a lot less common than [TS]

00:52:09   people tweeting poopin when you get up from the barn leader phone so its and I [TS]

00:52:15   really am not sure that I'm ever gonna stick with it but we'll see how and to [TS]

00:52:19   answer CLF underscore again in the chatroom how do you charge it i charged [TS]

00:52:23   it next to me at night so somebody would have to break into my house or my hotel [TS]

00:52:28   room and I'm traveling and come up next to my head and take my phone off the [TS]

00:52:32   charger or cable to get it when it's charging so it again it's it's really [TS]

00:52:36   not one of those people who always has a dead battery and has to be plugged in my [TS]

00:52:41   cat parties and stuff I'm not [TS]

00:52:43   I'm never that person never the situation so there's really very rarely [TS]

00:52:48   a time when anybody could get my phone without me knowing me knowing mediately [TS]

00:52:54   and be able to react immediately so I don't know why I don't think much of a [TS]

00:53:00   problem and you know the worst the worst case scenario is you know they get into [TS]

00:53:04   my email or something i mean we're gonna do like read the stuff I have saved in [TS]

00:53:07   this paper that's ok you know find just you know don't delete it please do my [TS]

00:53:16   phone besides read my email or you know tried to a password reset and get the [TS]

00:53:21   email from that the emails really the big security there but you know how long [TS]

00:53:27   would they have my phone without me knowing about it before I can start [TS]

00:53:30   doing something about cancer had lead in the chat or are we seeing or URI seeing [TS]

00:53:36   any issues with these all-rounders or gyroscopes since I was making the rounds [TS]

00:53:40   today I have not but I'm not really sure that up in the position that I would [TS]

00:53:43   have noticed it I don't know if you've noticed anything not the same way I mean [TS]

00:53:48   and I said last show I think and multiple shows I've never had the [TS]

00:53:52   compass work properly in any of my phones ever since the end of the compass [TS]

00:53:55   believe 3G I've never was in the fourth 3G s anyway I've never had improperly [TS]

00:54:02   not once and so I haven't tried it but the 5s yet only had it for a week but [TS]

00:54:08   I'm guessing it still works about the same which is it works sometimes works [TS]

00:54:13   for a compass isn't good enough so probably never rely on the accelerometer [TS]

00:54:17   you know I did he has always been accurate enough that it'll work ok but [TS]

00:54:24   inaccurate or not but I never going to use it for anything particularly [TS]

00:54:26   sensitive so again I haven't noticed during John forgive me you said tina is [TS]

00:54:32   getting one but not yet is that right [TS]

00:54:34   she kept you can't decide what color comes out too and kept fretting and [TS]

00:54:39   asked if they could get enough of it [TS]

00:54:41   she'd like the golden chance of resume fires like to just get the phone that [TS]

00:54:46   you are whatever you want to get the money you want don't worry about what I [TS]

00:54:49   think and then you get president has like it took a lot to me I'll tell you [TS]

00:54:52   get spacecraft like that [TS]

00:54:54   you know somehow eventually she finally decided and she ended up getting summer [TS]

00:54:58   10 so so it isn't house action by she ordered online cuz she went to the Apple [TS]

00:55:05   store once like after work one day and didn't have any sprinter something or [TS]

00:55:09   whatever and so she didn't keep going back to the store and I was telling your [TS]

00:55:13   hair done the latest talk show that was talking about how nice it is to be able [TS]

00:55:17   to order it from your phone and you could tell it replaced the phone then [TS]

00:55:20   I'm currently ordering from someone new one comes in the mail it'll be like all [TS]

00:55:24   set to replace that although one year earlier information that was needed so I [TS]

00:55:28   told you that she did was little bit tricky and that when you order from your [TS]

00:55:32   phone you are logged into the Apple Store application with your iTunes Apple [TS]

00:55:37   I D and we share on iTunes Apple ideas like the households for the apps that [TS]

00:55:41   way by so had to sign her out of her iTunes Apple idea into her own a blind [TS]

00:55:46   date issues is on her Mac and stuff then by the thing and then sign back is a [TS]

00:55:50   little too cumbersome to be nice like Apple usually pretty good about giving [TS]

00:55:53   you a separate Apple idea for each thing that you use like this idea when he used [TS]

00:55:58   to do my iCloud syncing this is the Apple idea when you saw the store in [TS]

00:56:02   this is you know as much on the phone but on the phone apparently the iTunes [TS]

00:56:07   and App Store Online is shared with the Apple Store application she ordered it [TS]

00:56:13   it says delivery in October kind of like this do in fall or not that means yeah [TS]

00:56:20   and she picks over because in the end I think he decided that her color [TS]

00:56:26   coordination options are best with a more neutral color like silver even [TS]

00:56:30   though when you put the Golden the case it is really hard to tell that it's cold [TS]

00:56:33   especially depending on the color temperature and lighting to sell you [TS]

00:56:37   know is that silver gold or is it just warm lighting this room is really hard [TS]

00:56:41   to associate sovereignty of the red leather case with it and she got 64 [TS]

00:56:45   because apparently I can start by talking up a show about how your credit [TS]

00:56:49   here its small size so yeah I'm curious to see what the leather cases like I got [TS]

00:56:57   so I had a stock bumper my for this is so boring but already committed for us [TS]

00:57:05   and I liked it a lot until I destroyed it over the course of a year and then I [TS]

00:57:09   rolled with a case for about a year and I didn't like shatter anything but by [TS]

00:57:14   the end of the year the second year of my for us it was looking a little rough [TS]

00:57:17   men so I got this literally $3.50 monoprice bumper for the 5s which is ok [TS]

00:57:24   but I handled the leather case for literally five or ten seconds when I was [TS]

00:57:29   in line on launch day and my recollection of it after having been up [TS]

00:57:32   since five in this was like eight or nine in the morning was that it was [TS]

00:57:35   really nice but forty darn dollars and so I wanna go back to the store and see [TS]

00:57:41   if maybe that's worth it a little bit more [TS]

00:57:44   a little bit nicer than this cheap bumper that I didn't realize says [TS]

00:57:48   monoprice across the side on one side here but I'm curious to hear what you [TS]

00:57:55   guys think of it once you have it I played with leather case on the people's [TS]

00:57:58   phones in the the slams hard against the case was it hard to get off which I [TS]

00:58:02   really care about because everyone taking on offer and I tell my wife will [TS]

00:58:06   be there and that it made the buttons hard to press as I was the first thing I [TS]

00:58:10   tested when I saw someones phone with leather case what it does do is it's [TS]

00:58:15   kind of like if you have like wood detailing in your house and you put lots [TS]

00:58:19   of layers of paint over the detailing kind of goes away that's what does the [TS]

00:58:23   buttons that used to be prominent easy to find and feel with a leather over it [TS]

00:58:27   they become less prominent stick a less than ever but the actual pressing of [TS]

00:58:32   them that felt fine to me I gotta know what they have inside there but it's not [TS]

00:58:36   I've had plenty of crappy cases for iPod Touches over the years and some of them [TS]

00:58:39   it's like you feel like you're squishing your way through just like this big [TS]

00:58:42   general blog and some wonder about me it's all pretty positive connection [TS]

00:58:47   between i press here the button goes in and there was a little quicker the [TS]

00:58:50   actual buttons could be felt through the letter thing and my main thing is like [TS]

00:58:55   she said you said hundred-person I could have tried to bed but how often do you [TS]

00:58:59   had the volume of down but I don't get them that often [TS]

00:59:02   and iPod touch her know she had some more often than the power button like [TS]

00:59:05   when do you ever use the power button I've long since switched to using the [TS]

00:59:08   home button to wake my thing up especially with the touch anything like [TS]

00:59:12   david has ever touched the power button on the top of your iOS devices all the [TS]

00:59:16   time I always find a way to wake up with the whole month that's when I hit when [TS]

00:59:20   I'm gonna take a check the time or something [TS]

00:59:21   yep and I and if I ever wanted to sleep you know I'm done using it then I won't [TS]

00:59:27   let it timeout just turn it off [TS]

00:59:29   yeah I guess maybe I do grab it for it for when I turn the thing off I think [TS]

00:59:34   about it I don't know when I'm waking up and maybe when I put it down but I get [TS]

00:59:38   the buns seemed like they were gonna get you know whatever like expensive but I [TS]

00:59:44   can make it back to as the leather iPad cases which is like 70 something it's [TS]

00:59:50   all ridiculous like magic with the margins are on that thing and the worst [TS]

00:59:54   part about the other cases they don't feel like they're like if you can use a [TS]

00:59:56   real genuine leather just felt like it but it doesn't doesn't smell like others [TS]

01:00:00   like something else something that smelled like original NES manuals but [TS]

01:00:05   that person may be having a stroke so i'm good on the 5s and he also not think [TS]

01:00:16   so [TS]

01:00:17   john told me about how to charge a battery not this again it's not about [TS]

01:00:22   charging it was another we got a lot of replies about it I was thinking about [TS]

01:00:25   someone at Macworld was talking to you about like what features do you wanna [TS]

01:00:30   see and maybe with our son remember what we just want to see him average [TS]

01:00:33   something was like before Mavericks had been announced to like what we just [TS]

01:00:37   gonna say 10.9 or whatever and one of the ones I suggested that's been [TS]

01:00:41   bothering me for a long time is if you like my wife have a laptop the key to [TS]

01:00:47   plugged in pretty much all the time that's terrible for your battery in it [TS]

01:00:52   would be nice if the OS took care of that [TS]

01:00:55   and like you know extended battery life and why is it terrible for your battery [TS]

01:01:00   plugged in all time well it's not the fact that it's plugged in this terrible [TS]

01:01:03   it's the fact that the battery is charged at full capacity all times very [TS]

01:01:09   bad to keep it within my battery charge to 200 percent capacity all the time and [TS]

01:01:14   double shorten the life of your batteries that we need to unplug it [TS]

01:01:17   after it's been plugged in for two years straight and you unplug any money using [TS]

01:01:20   you don't get the kind of battery life for you would you know if you had just [TS]

01:01:23   taken out of the box and a one in charge to Pullman gone to a cafe or something [TS]

01:01:27   new Mac Pro hope you like to see I didn't think that was at any restaurant [TS]

01:01:32   put a link in the chat room to that article but I was thinking about trying [TS]

01:01:35   to go for boot so this came up again and the Wired article and it's always the [TS]

01:01:40   same guys who like battery University bunch of battery scientists are [TS]

01:01:43   promoting this idea that hey it's really bad for lithium-ion batteries in [TS]

01:01:47   particular should be kept it real charge overtime and it would be nice if if I [TS]

01:01:51   was to carry this and kept it at a lower charge women they say that the optimum [TS]

01:01:55   charge level jobs in charge for storing lithium-ion batteries 40% shelf and let [TS]

01:02:01   it sit there don't charge to full capacity and put it on the shelf and [TS]

01:02:03   don't drink it nothing putting a shelf charter to 40% prime shelf and their [TS]

01:02:08   suggestion for active use things is charged to 80% discharged a 40% that is [TS]

01:02:14   the best way to extend the life of the battery Big Mac OS doesn't do any of [TS]

01:02:21   these things but it does in more recent versions as everyone has been telling me [TS]

01:02:25   and I'm a reason to disbelieve them it does make it oscillates between like a [TS]

01:02:28   hundred percent in 95 [TS]

01:02:30   just leave it capped off at a hundred percent because that would be terrible [TS]

01:02:33   it does kind of conditioning the better where it led to discharge 295 than [TS]

01:02:38   charges it back two hundred know what's a discharge 95 in what I'm suggesting is [TS]

01:02:42   a feature that would let it charge discharge always down to 40% wats [TS]

01:02:47   plugged in and then you to keep it forty percent are bringing back up to 80 which [TS]

01:02:50   is actually better for the life of the battery [TS]

01:02:52   I'm not sure and they had a problem with this feature in the reason hasn't been [TS]

01:02:57   implemented is not a technological problem it's a user experience problem [TS]

01:03:01   because if you do that then when you need to take your laptop and I go well [TS]

01:03:05   now the stupid thing to 40% and now like my battery the battery life I was [TS]

01:03:09   supposed to have my laptop because it was in the middle of this crazy psycho [TS]

01:03:12   radio is turned it down to forty percent or charges of backdating keeps it at [TS]

01:03:15   forty percent now I gotta run I gotta go out let me take my laptop with me that [TS]

01:03:19   40% and people would hate that may be terrible so I kind of understand why [TS]

01:03:24   they haven't implemented as a feature I kind of understand why they chose to do [TS]

01:03:27   they just had a slight between a hundred and ninety-five percent but the same [TS]

01:03:30   time for people like me who know that you know I'm country computer I just [TS]

01:03:37   sits there on the desk plugged in day after day after day after day is like [TS]

01:03:41   it's behind the 27 inch Cinema Display get to reach brown behind even get it [TS]

01:03:45   when you look at the screen even though it is open for cooling reasons it would [TS]

01:03:49   be nice if the OS at API's or something where you could tell it don't cycle [TS]

01:03:55   between 1995 go go down lower and don't even charged past 90 and as many people [TS]

01:04:01   who bring back and forth there have been telling me or asking me [TS]

01:04:04   electric cars do and yes it is about electric cars do because they are [TS]

01:04:09   optimizing for the life of the battery because you don't want to buy a $90,000 [TS]

01:04:14   Tesla and two years later the batteries front like it would be a laptop that you [TS]

01:04:18   do the math then if you cannot use tax credits and if you take the time that [TS]

01:04:24   you would spend getting cast and repairs fear of her car then it ends up being [TS]

01:04:27   only $1 a month [TS]

01:04:30   route 9 2004 the car when you got together because the battery is like at [TS]

01:04:34   the cost of the car but yet those those batteries full capacity like charge to [TS]

01:04:38   full capacity most of his battery that will let you go past 80 in most you know [TS]

01:04:42   like the Prius and any car with a battery they pretty much don't let you [TS]

01:04:48   charge the battery two hundred percent capacity because it's terrible for the [TS]

01:04:51   battery they would you charge to 80 and they don't let your discharge although [TS]

01:04:54   either so you kind of using this this middle band of power in the battery when [TS]

01:04:57   they give you the power ratings for the battery and like they tell you you know [TS]

01:05:01   how [TS]

01:05:01   how much mileage out of there telling you how much the middle is worth because [TS]

01:05:03   they want you to avoid pushing things two hundred percent capacity unless you [TS]

01:05:07   do something over I said like I need super duper range for this one time and [TS]

01:05:11   the same thing for draining down they don't let it go down to 0 if they can [TS]

01:05:15   possibly help they want you to recharge before gets up there and you know 00 and [TS]

01:05:19   Apple laptops are just starting to that now like when you have it plugged in [TS]

01:05:23   even if the battery you know what'll I do you will sell batteries like you know [TS]

01:05:28   and I'll show the little whatever the plug symbol that shows that the battery [TS]

01:05:31   isn't charging but maybe at like 96 percent right is just trying to tell you [TS]

01:05:35   you know we're not going to charge it anymore because we're in the middle of [TS]

01:05:38   this conditioning cycle or whatever so I kind of understand why this feature [TS]

01:05:42   doesn't exist but I think at this point especially in like an energy-saving [TS]

01:05:46   release like Mavericks that would have been a time to say either provide API [TS]

01:05:50   provides an optional note for like you click the checkbox that says yes I'm [TS]

01:05:54   always plugged in and accept the fact that if you need to leave in a hurry [TS]

01:05:57   grab your laptop it might not be a hundred percent capacity but I don't [TS]

01:06:02   think that's coming now seen some of this feedback fly-by and I know a lot of [TS]

01:06:07   people appointed to fruit juice which is apparently a nap and to have this right [TS]

01:06:13   so what it does is it tells you to unplug 22 kind of force you to take [TS]

01:06:17   charge of this whole situation Sakura yeah and that's that's not looking for [TS]

01:06:22   like that's the work I've tried to do that manually and every time after the [TS]

01:06:25   man you accidentally the computer unplugged and come back and find that [TS]

01:06:27   his like hibernation just not like the whole point is I do not know you can't [TS]

01:06:33   trust me to plug and unplug I will forget I want to leave the little [TS]

01:06:36   MagSafe thing connected all time and had the computer say I'm not accepting power [TS]

01:06:40   now because I'm in this you know like it does with conditioning between hundred [TS]

01:06:44   and ninety-five but for a much bigger range trading it the battery inside this [TS]

01:06:48   plugged-in thing more like the battery in a car for the better in a car that [TS]

01:06:52   never goes anywhere so again maybe keep it affordable but one thing they're [TS]

01:06:55   doing with with iOS 7 which we cannot talk about finally is that they have it [TS]

01:07:01   I was seven heads background fetch thing which is awesome and they talked into [TS]

01:07:05   BBC about how one of the things the way it works is your appt says here's how [TS]

01:07:11   often I'd like to be request [TS]

01:07:14   I'd like to be woken up for back on updates and the system actually decides [TS]

01:07:17   when went actually do it and what it does is actually measures to keep track [TS]

01:07:22   of when you tend to launch certain apps or when the phone tends to be complete [TS]

01:07:27   the idle for a long time and it tries to predict when you're gonna launch the app [TS]

01:07:32   next and do the update shortly before that time during the time when your [TS]

01:07:39   lesson to be on wifi and have power charging overnight you wake up in the [TS]

01:07:42   morning along your apps in a long shot like a little fresher shortly before [TS]

01:07:47   that so it has fresh data if they brought something similar to that [TS]

01:07:52   over to the Mac but they probably can do pretty easily than they can do things [TS]

01:07:58   like automatically do a charge cycle down to forty percent and back up to 80% [TS]

01:08:03   you know every third day in the middle of the night we argue computer because [TS]

01:08:09   you never use your computer and during that time are you using like once in the [TS]

01:08:12   last year during that time so they could offer future like that based on [TS]

01:08:16   heuristics and analysis of how you actually use your computer so that it [TS]

01:08:21   could be doing the stuff when you don't even notice was your sleep [TS]

01:08:24   exactly that's what I was gonna say like if you're going to do this that's the [TS]

01:08:29   way you would try to do it and with the background apps on iOS is not the end of [TS]

01:08:33   the world if it doesn't like it didn't get my subscriptions because it hasn't [TS]

01:08:36   been nest thermostat you want to learn the consequences of not learning on that [TS]

01:08:40   big in the case of charging the laptop battery the negative consequences are a [TS]

01:08:45   little bit more severe in terms of user experience but like I guess nest if it [TS]

01:08:49   makes her house on temperature pisses you off to but like you know the new [TS]

01:08:53   MacBook Pros in the new offering similar in your habits and keep your battery [TS]

01:08:57   life longer whatever I still think it would have to be up then because there's [TS]

01:09:00   going to be especially during learning period and even outside learning period [TS]

01:09:03   like that time when you need to grab your laptop and go and it's a half [TS]

01:09:07   capacity and now you're pissed at you like I paid all this money for this lots [TS]

01:09:10   of the summer in with 12 hour battery life and I get 6 because I picked it up [TS]

01:09:13   at the wrong time and the feeling is that Apple probably is only one that [TS]

01:09:16   knows how many of those laptops spend their time plugged in all the time maybe [TS]

01:09:21   an outlier maybe that's why you know they don't care because most people buy [TS]

01:09:24   laptop [TS]

01:09:25   use it I mean like our laptops plugged in 99.9% of the time but occasionally [TS]

01:09:31   the reason we got a laptop not an iMac is because when we go on vacation with [TS]

01:09:34   13 inch and it's much easier than you know trying to look and iMac and even [TS]

01:09:39   like when I'm podcasting and Jeremiah wants to use your computer she unplugged [TS]

01:09:43   the laptop and brings it into the other room so she can use her computer at all [TS]

01:09:46   her stuff on it in a little portable form so we have to see what the numbers [TS]

01:09:52   and that are in it could be if people do it you know certainly I get to get that [TS]

01:09:56   type of thing for a Senate has but the background updates but eventually get [TS]

01:10:00   around to bring that back to the Mac and that's the stuff like to see anything [TS]

01:10:05   else have a good trip today let's keep it there for today we're pretty good [TS]

01:10:09   this might actually be a little bit shorter is is it safe to say that an [TS]

01:10:13   hour over an hour in No [TS]

01:10:14   alright thanks a lot too hard to answer this week Squarespace and a glue and we [TS]

01:10:18   will see you next week [TS]

01:10:20   accident now this show [TS]

01:10:28   they didn't need me to be in accidental accidental [TS]

01:10:37   Casey does it was accidental and you can be there and Marco [TS]

01:11:24   people that chat room or still obsessing about this battery thing like why don't [TS]

01:11:29   they just stop sending energy to the battery is fully charged they do it do [TS]

01:11:34   like the problem is a problem reaching out like you know engineer on even [TS]

01:11:40   though my major is electrical engineer like somebody who works with electricity [TS]

01:11:44   or a day to give whatever is the current best analogy because the way people [TS]

01:11:49   think electricity works in the way that actually works are not the same like I [TS]

01:11:53   think people visualize probably because one another as they use in schools like [TS]

01:11:56   they visualize electricity like water going through a hose and somehow it's [TS]

01:11:59   bad because the water is always pressing into your battery like popping up like a [TS]

01:12:03   water balloon and that's not that's not why it's bad you know it's bad to keep [TS]

01:12:06   the battery and fully charged with no electricity going into it just charged [TS]

01:12:10   up to full disconnected from everything and suspended in a vacuum tube still bad [TS]

01:12:15   you know like the analogies of water flowing into things and like what is the [TS]

01:12:23   norm the news like this current is the volume of water and the voters like the [TS]

01:12:28   speed of the water like all those analogies lead people astray and make [TS]

01:12:31   people think about their electrical components in ways that are not healthy [TS]

01:12:35   people the electricity is not pushing into your battery die hard and causing [TS]

01:12:41   at the bulge out [TS]