36: A Weird One

0:00:00when a Skype call begins I'm again saying hello because that makes like a

0:00:07telephone you know every we're bringing all d like the traditions of the crappy

0:00:11previous generation communication system to the new one of the founders I love

0:00:17with Skype it should be like I am you don't begin every I am conversation with

0:00:21people that you know it's like a greeting or something or hello welfare

0:00:25and you start and I am conversation with whitey question mark for us now for you

0:00:30there

0:00:31didn't know that anybody we did that to me I would be like what are you doing

0:00:35it's terrible it's like people saying hello but it's worth I here's worst NYT

0:00:40your name with a question mark that is the worst way to begin and I am covers

0:00:45now disagree has to be white no question mark is the worst trust me I've had them

0:00:50all done to make up for white even if I would see because it's been up against a

0:00:53white is like yes it's terrible but it's better than Casey like what what is the

0:00:59gas you know who your I am mukasey I i mean is it so much the same as you there

0:01:05but the case it's like case is this Casey now it's Casey I'm expecting

0:01:12something from you and i cant believe im not getting it we want to talk about the

0:01:18vendor doing wanna just dive straight into the review because I'm thinking

0:01:20let's just say screw the event let's talk about their way home on there's a

0:01:24lot in the event though I i think we should do this more timely review

0:01:28reviews not going anywhere in the review is part of the event because one of the

0:01:32things that talk about an event is never explained so like I think we should do

0:01:35the event and I say this even though I've only seen half an infant but like I

0:01:40marlys note that I think we can fit both we we we have a long show let let's just

0:01:45be honest this is gonna be a long show let's talk about the review you wanna

0:01:50cue the piano background music

0:01:53we were starting with the event we just agreed to buy sorry I said review I mean

0:01:58to them I'm tired to go going on you came here having a cup of coffee or

0:02:04whiskey or does he have a John for god sakes all I have is water maybe that's

0:02:09the problem maybe you need a straight shooter alright let me try this all over

0:02:16again so why don't we talk about the event and now market you can cue the

0:02:20silly piano music so what what did you think John of the parts of you saw but

0:02:26either one of you are both of you see the whole of it yes we actually live

0:02:31streaming out live we we did a no spoilers policy between ourselves at the

0:02:36track that day and yesterday it was right and we we didn't check Twitter

0:02:43anything I don't even check my email I i cant find my phone vibrate in my pocket

0:02:46ones I didn't even check the identification I just didn't care

0:02:49like just can't be anything important and in the car on the way back we doubt

0:02:54we'd already prescribed to the keynote podcast on our phones so that we

0:02:58wouldn't have to go Apple's website or find it find the seed we downloaded the

0:03:02the flight the recording of it from the keynote read on the way back on the

0:03:08drive back to work on this five hour drive downloaded the video of it and

0:03:13watched it and streamed over the car speakers so yes so I didn't see the

0:03:17first two thirds the video at that point is I happen to be driving at the time

0:03:21and then underscore didn't see the iPad portion of the video because he was

0:03:25driving afterwards but I did rewatch the whole thing this evening and finished

0:03:30your entire review and read the blog post about the review so I did a lot of

0:03:35prep for the podcast it's not supposed to have any prep

0:03:38clarify for listeners by the way when they said they were at the track they

0:03:41weren't betting on horses in case in case anyone suspected that that was the

0:03:46most likely explanation of a phrase from me and Casey you know the idle rich to

0:03:51track the ponies yes so we all did see it in some capacity alright so I'm doing

0:03:58his part of the reason I missed most of it is because it is that it was

0:04:02available today I had to stop watching stop listening and start doing

0:04:06the things I knew I need to do right now really quickly to her out were you at

0:04:10home or at work when this was going on I was a look and see new enough to plan

0:04:14for the inevitable possibility that you might have a busy afternoon now so we r

0:04:21you like it was one of those things where you're like they may or may not

0:04:23work this afternoon or did you just say like two weeks there week ago I guess

0:04:27Tuesday afternoon nominee that off because stuff's gonna go crazy well I

0:04:32meant to just be a late lunch because like ours actually held the review they

0:04:38held it until the event was over exactly what Apple does in terms of like you

0:04:41know things will go on sale to the event is over store doesn't come back up

0:04:45whatever so that the review was ready to go within minutes of everything was

0:04:49ready to go within minutes of them announcing the price and that it was

0:04:54available today and then it was just a matter of holding it until the event is

0:04:57over and then it goes up so that's really all talk of my day at that point

0:05:01and then after work it was just a deluge of emails tweets and everything else and

0:05:07you know so it was it was a full day but the actual publishing like I was powered

0:05:12by a parent I had everything ready to go for everything that was announced that

0:05:16was not surprised by anything everything worked as well as could be expected

0:05:18maybe a shower to her now we can go through the blow by blow of all the

0:05:23different moving parts and how it went there this year than last year but I

0:05:26think that's that's more of a meta topic now I don't know if you wanna get into

0:05:31this at this moment but what did you have any of the pricing options already

0:05:36in the review or did you just have a big blank space I have something ready to

0:05:40publish which said the prices and no I mean that's what I pushed up the

0:05:44iBookstore with with the diversion there was ready to go at any moment you can

0:05:50say yes I can publish his right now I just basically did have information

0:05:53about the price didn't even didn't assert that any price was depressed just

0:05:57don't know what it is but I think it's going to be this bottle block and like

0:06:00that version had a graph of the price and instead of the graph going down 204

0:06:0610.9 there was a light gray line going down to zero with a question mark on the

0:06:10graphs to 120 I guess but the text said we don't know

0:06:15and so I had the free version already go free pace pace pace pace based on you

0:06:19know upload and there there weren't so I did a very good job of steering us to

0:06:24review we didn't want to talk about so about the event I think it was it was

0:06:29interesting that was just me or did all the speakers seem a little bit sloppier

0:06:35than usual I completely agree why people saying that and I'm only up to this

0:06:40point whose throat was a little crazy but I'm up to that point they seemed

0:06:45fine like not I don't think they're author game as much as everyone said I

0:06:50think it's not that they were off because they are we stumble over stuff

0:06:52it was that the the atmosphere in the room was hard to tell me you're not

0:06:56there so we really talk to someone who was actually there but the atmosphere in

0:06:59the room seemed like there wasn't any like electricity in terms of excitement

0:07:04about anything and the presenters weren't able to muster enthusiasm about

0:07:08the announcements and the audience wasn't feeling it back to them so just

0:07:11kind of like going through the motions of announcing things quickly through

0:07:15slides or whatever but it didn't it wasn't I don't blame the people who

0:07:19presented its just I mean maybe there was not like for example imagine if the

0:07:26Mac Pro had not been outside WWC it would have been a very different vibe in

0:07:30that room with the exact same announcements you know I mean just

0:07:32because I care nothing there was a surprise really tiny blonde right

0:07:36yeah pretty much everything if if everyone took their best guess as to

0:07:39what was going to be announced that was exactly what was announced and not and

0:07:43really nothing more than that was like alright everyone's best guesses you know

0:07:47what do you think it is and then it was just that it really hurts you when you

0:07:50have parts of the event that ever that you've told people that before you told

0:07:54people at Mavericks were gonna go through it again you've told you about

0:07:56this Mac Pro which is also where to go through it again and even stuff like the

0:08:00new MacBook Pros well we are and how long it has been a computer so the

0:08:05Haswell excitement of well look at this battery life is already there like there

0:08:09was so little that it was new and and those ones are you going over stuff that

0:08:12everybody already knows that you yourself told them previously that just

0:08:15kills the energy I think of the presentation but so far and watching I

0:08:20don't think it was bad and just kind of like like the products they're

0:08:23announcing i'm looking at the price but this is a good price

0:08:26and now looking at the video this video the Mac Pros be made this is a cool

0:08:29video like all thumbs up all around but having known so much before and so much

0:08:34of having been announced beforehand

0:08:36really undercuts the excitement yeah it was weird to that like you know they

0:08:42spent so much time on the iOS 7 you know

0:08:45video about their design philosophy looks ok that's nice but we've seen that

0:08:49like twice or three times already used in the iPhone event also come back to

0:08:54the video it's a nice video it's good to be back how many times can use it would

0:08:57be like showing the i mean going where they kind of got her that they should

0:09:01think different a lot of that kind of works because it was more abstract and

0:09:05this is more concrete it seems more tied Iowa seven and got the words that you're

0:09:09reading everything that is just kind of like you can't I hope they don't show

0:09:13that again

0:09:14yeah I think they've driven into the ground but also a lot of the time was

0:09:19was videos and fairly boring demos it seemed like they did have a lot to

0:09:25announce but the pacing seemed a little bit slow to me and I know it's always a

0:09:29little bit slow is mainly for the press and you know it's Tim Cook talking but

0:09:32still like the pacing of the whole thing seemed especially slow this time and it

0:09:38seemed it seemed like they were less prepared maybe they had rehearsed less

0:09:42than usual and they were less comfortable again here at that part of

0:09:46it was kind of a lack of excitement because they weren't really announcing

0:09:49anything surprising lead radically new but part of it was also I think like it

0:09:57almost seemed like they were a little more uptight maybe because like when

0:10:02they would when they would stumble over what was obviously a scripted line that

0:10:05was made to sound unscripted rather than just rolling with the mistake they made

0:10:09they would like go back and Andrey say what they were supposed to say the first

0:10:13time they were just retry the film one night and I thought the same thing it

0:10:18was kind of awkward I felt very stiff to me and a lot like watching a little

0:10:23uptick you at this point although one thing that I noticed about you say went

0:10:27slow I thought a lot of the demos especially the software demos that I'd

0:10:30seen playing up to the point of GarageBand seemed

0:10:35rushed and in the way that because if you're used to the Steve Jobs era he

0:10:39would have done the same presentation but he would affect like either one

0:10:42application or like a couple of features of two applications and just spent what

0:10:48seems like way too long if you look at the Starbucks members they've done to

0:10:51get obsessed with like imagine he had picked like the slow motion feature

0:10:55movie or the drums or something he would do this in depth demos of some obscure

0:10:59feature they liked his fancy he would be there but the thing is if you look at

0:11:03the clock nike's going to sit there and play with the slow motion

0:11:06five minutes are you kidding me but it was he was so obviously so jazzed about

0:11:11this feature that he was showing it was almost like watching a kid was like

0:11:13really excited about that I gotta show you might check this thing out and that

0:11:17enthusiasm as corny as it might be like you could connect with it and he would

0:11:23go in depth about someone near future in this it seemed like we got these things

0:11:27look at this in this this and this is the one that tried to go in depth look

0:11:30you can use drummers in like this is not cool but when he says it's not cool

0:11:34Steve Jobs be like closing his eyes getting into and going you know like I

0:11:37like market funds on and it like he would really get into it and you may not

0:11:45be into it but you could say you were convinced this steve Jobs was really

0:11:49into like whatever was like look at the wood on these cases you know that that

0:11:56was missing because these people were just like go through the features show

0:11:59them one after the other maybe a little and evidence but none of them again the

0:12:02spark that Eq

0:12:03have been able to convince me that they are obsessively in love with any aspect

0:12:09of these programs yet I thought the I thought the Q demo was rough it was so

0:12:14it was something that was supposed to be cute and funny but was neither cutesy

0:12:19North funny like with his

0:12:21with his album cover whatever was a band poster right you know what the

0:12:28oftentimes awful do something that yeah it's lame but it's kind of adorable aim

0:12:32is this was just straight up lame in my in my opinion and I thought I thought it

0:12:36it was awkward I think he was trying too hard to be funny and I don't blame him

0:12:42for that but I don't know where Craig can be the nerd and generally speaking

0:12:47be funny with the exception of those line actually wrote it down we want to

0:12:52go door to door with a bag of Hearts whites that was early on when he was

0:12:58talking about how nerds will make everyone happy by writing code but

0:13:02generally speaking I think Craig does a very good job with the cutesy funny and

0:13:06kinda lame funny and I don't think that he does well with that at all I thought

0:13:11his demo was very rough you know I do so much with the material you have a mean

0:13:15like think about it WNBC like we were first time we're saying I was seven and

0:13:20there was a mixture of like shocked and discomfort because it was like we first

0:13:25seven up there with this crazy icons and like the video was called in the shows

0:13:29the screens we've never seen before me shows those icons and no one knows what

0:13:32to think the whole room was going up to the Mac Pro same type of thing like what

0:13:35the hell is this it's a circle micheaux an accident at Pro like being knocked up

0:13:39being knocked coming in from the side in unexpected directions being knocked off

0:13:44kilter even when it's in a bad way with people like oh god what the hell's up

0:13:47with his Iowa 7 thing like that makes for a memorable interesting experience

0:13:52and they didn't have any of that here so all you're left with is i mean like say

0:13:57you got a really good shuck and jive guy to do more polished delivery on the same

0:14:00products I don't think it would have come off any better understanding I

0:14:03think the things they announced their good just that none of them are here in

0:14:09like a couple of the pass announcement on whether the things they announced but

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0:16:44real-time follow-up I'm told The the chat that it wasn't bag of hearts which

0:16:49is what I could swear I heard on two different occasions but bag of parts

0:16:53which doesn't really make the joke any better to me but apparently I completely

0:16:57missed heard that and also the chatroom says it is issue which is no one victory

0:17:03from me in a long line of defeat when it comes to me so I'm going to hold on to

0:17:08that for a while anyway you were going to start walking through what they

0:17:11talked about yes I've written about everything will see what what's actually

0:17:16going to get to the do want to save a lot of time for John biggest thing so

0:17:21the retina MacBook Pro update was the first thing they did right and what's

0:17:25it's not that interesting what's very interesting about it what's kind of

0:17:29interesting about it is the price drops all around the the red-nosed also

0:17:32apprised of I think $200 for the enterprises which is really great I mean

0:17:36I don't think have a double check today update the non pros at all yet or

0:17:42probably not right yet looks like they they still offered just the 13 to 15 is

0:17:47gone they offer just the 13 inch non-revenue won for only $100 less and

0:17:54will say it's using an old CPU so yeah

0:17:59habits rub it on its way out or they're gonna keep her from recycled anyway so

0:18:02200 bucks less in all the right noises really great because this is really

0:18:05showing like they're serious about the red-nosed replacing the other ones are

0:18:09not gonna be around for much time I i wonder if they even cut their margins at

0:18:14all it could be that their margins have gotten large on those and they had to

0:18:17head room to cut the price without hurting their margins because like they

0:18:21have been playing parts of this thing you know as these are expensive

0:18:25everything but like they're smaller and simpler than hard drives and they

0:18:29probably get good deals and flash at this point and you know just pulling out

0:18:32the optical drive is one part you don't pay for it all in all the stuff and

0:18:35getting rid of buses that were there previously the perfect used to be

0:18:38connected to those buses various there dangling the carrot of those like what's

0:18:42inside these things is getting smaller and more stop movin on the CPU package

0:18:46but as well and everything I wonder if there

0:18:49at the margins are you know if these price drops to just maintain that the

0:18:52margins of like two generations ago and I just dunno figured well these are we

0:18:59can get we can sell more of these if we just maintain our margins like the best

0:19:04example to get to later is like comparing contrast with the iPad 2 which

0:19:08they did not do that but yeah but the price drops I mean that's the way it's

0:19:12supposed to work with really good though that means more people getting into

0:19:16retina screens and that also means that the screens of these are exactly the

0:19:20same as they were already but I think this means that there that Retina screen

0:19:24are getting cheaper and that's really good for the rest of the line getting

0:19:28ready to scream that you'll also talked about about 3 a.m. though standard on a

0:19:32couple of these models good yeah that's a that's a little lease specially with

0:19:36integrated graphics despite the Mavericks changes integrated graphics

0:19:39yeah there's that was also the decompressor amateur actually should ask

0:19:43you about that works in practice I haven't arrived yet sorry but I'm going

0:19:47to get some her don't tell anybody I do like they finally have a no discrete GPU

0:19:54option on the 15 like we talked about in the past what's interesting though is

0:19:58that it doesn't appear to make any price difference if you actually can figure

0:20:03that they have to party like a low-end and high-end line to start with and you

0:20:07can configure the low and all the options of the high-end has its up to

0:20:10you and if you if you can figure it to match on the other specs it's the exact

0:20:15same price regardless of whether has the discrete GPU or not which i think is

0:20:19kind of funny 13 doesn't get this created also if you look at the chart

0:20:23it's like

0:20:24integrated integrated into an integrated only at the very right hand side of the

0:20:28Tech Specs by the way you can get a discrete so the way it's presented is

0:20:31kind of like the MacBook Pro only uses integrated graphics except if you get

0:20:35the super duper high and you can opt for the apparently no cost

0:20:39discreet right exactly end but a little 13 never had it but that's a very good

0:20:44point about like this there's no reason they couldn't also have a high-end 1304

0:20:48people want that form factor witness did the red mini which is kind of like the

0:20:52house

0:20:52high-end different form factor and iPads like that various times they've done

0:20:57that where each line can you can crank up to the highest level is not to write

0:21:02it is only you know it's kind of like it way towards the end of life with the 17

0:21:06was the only one that got the super duper stuff like they were just showed

0:21:10the most powerful things into the 17 like well you want the most powerful

0:21:13thing gotta get this big boat so moving on what do you think about the but I

0:21:20believe was next with at least the next most important thing is what do you

0:21:23think about the iPad air will all done a lot of stuff here so what about the Mac

0:21:29Pro is there anything interesting you wanted to add to that it's interesting

0:21:32that when we were walking out of the keynote what do you think the price of

0:21:35MacBook Mac Pro and Marco and I both said 299 and then we changed our minds

0:21:41up and down over Mary's months or whatever but it turns out the first

0:21:44light out with the price next thing was 299 so kudos to first two are our

0:21:51instincts there and so I'm the pricing news I think what we expected I I think

0:21:57they think they could have gone lower they really wanted to but didn't want to

0:22:01and i'm glad that there's a two in front of the number even if no one's ever

0:22:04gonna buy that particular model I just hope I had to build a lot of flexibility

0:22:08to mix and match to a greater degree because they showed little can configs

0:22:12and it's like ok well can I get like the second fastest low number of core CPU

0:22:19but with the big honkin GPU but with the you know the the medium size SSD or

0:22:24whatever the answer to all those as will I don't know but the SST but the answer

0:22:27to the CPU and GPU from their tech specs page that you can mix and match any

0:22:31combination of those yeah that's what I'm assuming and I was wondering again

0:22:37what is going to cost upgraded the standard 256 gig SSD to the top end

0:22:42terabyte one and dreading what it might be in if you look though then the new

0:22:47MacBook Pro the right pro has a one terabyte nasty option for either 500 or

0:22:52800 depending on whether the high end of low and that's what rich single point

0:22:56out to me that I was like I know what the price is going to be as it had you

0:22:58know and he showed me the choices to upgrade from 256 25 12 or one terabyte

0:23:03for both the I'm

0:23:05and the MacBook Pro and the prices rose eight hundred dollars $100 1 terabyte

0:23:10but it is 500 on the high end up across so I'm guessing it could be either to be

0:23:15five hundred or a hundred other way fight it hurts a little bit pushy 500

0:23:20for a one terabyte as he is pretty good but it's not that they would do this or

0:23:23he's not 504 one terabyte SSDs 500 for an additional 768 it's not a mean like

0:23:29they always do that that's true but but from Apple first party fully supported

0:23:33an integrated into this crazy Kaiser you can't put your own in its pretty good

0:23:36well now stop stop right there what did you just say marca this crazy case you

0:23:41can't put your own right I don't think that's true the Rams user serviceable

0:23:46they said in the video is that what it is they were saying that the memories

0:23:50you need to use a service call to the question is where you gonna find

0:23:53whatever weird PCI form factor connector thing he goes in there like probably

0:23:59other World Computing will sell them in a year or so but it's not to bargain

0:24:02write it in the SSDs are in a slot right that's exactly what I was driving the

0:24:06other question is like what's because I can remember when they came out it took

0:24:10it took a WC like six months or something to be able to to to find

0:24:15something that makes me think of it that so it might be awhile they do anything

0:24:21that would they give you like a little chippy aluminum external case you get

0:24:25the one you take out so you don't have to throw it in the garbage you can stick

0:24:28in this case and have a tiny little bus-powered SSD third-party opportunity

0:24:32since they didn't announce Retina Display is maybe I will take that extra

0:24:37money and throw it into micro it's nice that they went standard 12 gigs on the

0:24:45RAM the Mac Pro for so far they were Mac Pro has until this point had three good

0:24:51standard which is embarrassing

0:24:52well the 12 gigs in like sixteen is that the nice round number we all wanted and

0:24:57they give you twelve just to make you feel inferior like a legacy of the great

0:25:00what's the configuration to get 12 gigs in the dams for us maybe but there's

0:25:07four slots and its quad channel I i've i've got a thing with triple channel

0:25:13memory on my desk and it's got four DIMM slots on a $10 without bond

0:25:17there I don't know I don't know it's kind of weird and we don't know RAM

0:25:21pricing either and we also we don't know CPU person that obviously have a lot to

0:25:25say but CPUs probably more than anybody cares so I'm not gonna do it all here

0:25:29I'm going to blog post but the the short version is the base CPU the fork or 3.7

0:25:36that is any 516 20 it's a $300 CPU it is not a high-end CPU it does not terrible

0:25:43very easily and very far it it's probably a pretty crappy CPU its 370 do

0:25:50think it's gonna turbo to I mean it's hard to keep pressing while I looked up

0:25:53it turbos to 3.9 only with only one core activate it he read intel's we r turbo

0:25:59numbers where it's like number / numbers of numbers it's it's 30 than a too so

0:26:03it's like it does not it hard the terms at all but if you look at most of the

0:26:09CPU option so I looked up you know you can figure out by elimination exactly

0:26:12with models these are so you can look at other stats and so it's basically the

0:26:17Holy 516 X limits the 16 twenty-fifty eighty and then the 2697 as that the

0:26:23high on the 12 core and these all turbo to roughly the same 3.9 gigahertz and if

0:26:29you look at like how they'd had a ramp up they all have pretty much like the

0:26:33same range like it's because they all have the same TDP they didn't go high

0:26:37enough to have the W chips like for a while but last you see on families have

0:26:43had these special models ending in w4 workstations and they've used more power

0:26:47and run faster and like the current 2010 macro that I have to 3.33 six core is

0:26:53one of those chips they can't use those I guess they can't call the extra heat

0:26:57so they're not using them that would have been nice I wish they were and DTV

0:27:0212 core high-end won the Department telecast $2,600 so I'm guessing that can

0:27:09be like a $5,000 option on the Mac Pro and what's funny is that it determines

0:27:14it all so that's not likely to be a very fast ship for almost anything except

0:27:19extremely paralyzes tasks the best option is probably gonna be the eight

0:27:24core

0:27:25but what's what's sad is that the Accord they picked the 516 ATV to its a $1,700

0:27:32chip that might be like you know 2500 $3,000 option for $300 more from Intel

0:27:39there's a better one that uses the same power at the 26 and 27 use the same

0:27:44power same heat higher speed all around and I don't know why they're offering

0:27:50that I'm kinda sad about that but otherwise overall these are reasonable

0:27:56options

0:27:56same cache sizes on us to yeah exactly the same I believe 25 mins ago I might

0:28:01go for the GOP CPU and trade that they can try their money for SSD cause I

0:28:08don't have much that CPU bound and I can I can put more money into the GPU with

0:28:12that ends up being better for gaming I think you know I game that CPU about on

0:28:16the quote-unquote low-end

0:28:19like it's probably gonna be fun like people are people running you know I

0:28:22thought I seventy most of the gaming world so I think there's a on even the

0:28:26crappy Xeon while the Sun is is there a fork or something that starts at 39 and

0:28:30turbos faster and i imagining I don't think so I don't have the full charge

0:28:35for me but i dont think so I'm pretty sure that the highest the highest speed

0:28:38is up 3.7 that is the base appeal but it really it's like you're stuck at 317

0:28:42like you don't get there is the six core in the middle scored only until prices

0:28:47only at just under 600 so Apple might offer that for an extra 10 thousand and

0:28:53that's that is gonna be substantially faster but not not buy a massive like

0:28:57future prices actually gave it was it was you know $3,000 for the for the four

0:29:03core and $4,000 for the six core right oh I forgot they did tell us that in the

0:29:09CPU 600 bucks rather sad CPU is a $300 upgrade their charging a thousand for it

0:29:16so that's all it also has a higher on GPUs in that configuration makes it

0:29:23amazing that you could probably if they let us mix and match you know you can

0:29:26make a mission that's the way we wanted to me yes so we'll have to see when the

0:29:31configurator goes up what you know how these prices actually are actually

0:29:34thinking though so as you mentioned a second ago they didn't launch retina

0:29:38displays

0:29:38external desktop size retina displays and actually thinking I might skip this

0:29:43generation because there's a new Xeon generation on Intel's roadmap coming out

0:29:46in one year it's the Haswell EP liner is that's that's scheduled to come out in

0:29:52in third quarter of 2014 and it's not likely to be a massive approves likely

0:29:58be another eight ten percent maybe a performance that same process size and

0:30:03everything so it's not going to be a huge huge jump but they're probably

0:30:08gonna get the Mac Pros in a year or roughly a year and so maybe I might wait

0:30:14for that one maybe they'll have right now as then maybe people will have

0:30:17worked out the version 1 budget as we are new architecture you know who knows

0:30:20I can't wait for waiting so long already I gotta get this I mean it's like when

0:30:26the dual 2 gigahertz chief Power Mac g5 came out like like a front-side bus of

0:30:31533 makers at that point I was like hell yes I'm getting this you know so I just

0:30:37can't wait anymore and so I mean what I have to wait worries monitors I'll be

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0:32:41an exceptional website I do wanna do the iPad stuff then we'll move your way back

0:32:46in the Mavericks

0:32:47I'm so much to say about the iPad I think the iPad air is interesting it's a

0:32:55terrible name it is it is a horrible named I mean I think we can all agree on

0:32:58that but it it's interesting that they're they're pushing really hard to

0:33:04get everyone talking about the new full sized iPad again like that is the new

0:33:09products for this fall the the retina many is great and it probably gonna do

0:33:14when we all buy but what Apple wants us to think about obviously from this

0:33:17presentation Apple wants us to think about the big one again and it's

0:33:21probably no scheduled it probably is because it has WAY bigger margin that's

0:33:24a much higher price product that has most of the same hardware the small one

0:33:28now so it you know I think you can look at that you can say this is obviously

0:33:33just I'm trying to you know boost boost the attention better more profitable

0:33:36product but I saw some of the hands on reports from some of the reporters who

0:33:41were there at the event

0:33:43say that it really is like surprisingly small the the the low weight is really

0:33:48nice and a lot of them say it's like you know it's actually in a very competitive

0:33:53with the many in and they might even prefer it and that's really interesting

0:33:57that Apple might have actually succeeded

0:34:00in getting everyone to buy the big one again probably not I'm guessing the many

0:34:05will still remain the most popular one but I think it's possible I still think

0:34:09the mini was popular because it was cheap first and small second yeah it's

0:34:13very possible and so on that note the many was updated there's now a written

0:34:21in many at $400 and the old many sticks around for 30 bucks less than $300 and I

0:34:29think its last time but close enough anyway what I like a lot about the

0:34:34retina many years it has the a seven so the retina many and the iPad airboat had

0:34:39the exact same CPU a seventh and debates that have all the same internal hardware

0:34:42except the the iPad air has the bigger screen so you're you're literally just I

0:34:47think you're isn't that right he was paying an extra $100 just for the big

0:34:51screen that right and the bigger battery goes that's behind it right that's true

0:34:55so do we know retina many battery life numbers between 0 railroad number thanks

0:35:03I'm curious to see you know when when the full size 11 when they had to put a

0:35:09massive battery and it produced a lot more heat I'm curious to know if the

0:35:14retina iPad Mini rather we'll have that same problem so here's one unambiguously

0:35:22as far as I'm concerned bad thing about the iPad Aaron probably only to only one

0:35:27of two bad things about that better

0:35:29wanna talk about last show that the freeman center to try that to see how

0:35:34that works out of practice but to get lost the beautiful original Smart Cover

0:35:38with the middle him instead it's got that flabby twisty iPad Mini Smart Cover

0:35:44but then so does not align and drives me insane

0:35:47yeah but the medellin scratch the laptop next to it in the bag don't just leave

0:35:53your things rattling around your bag or do you do when you put your iPhone iPod

0:35:56with your keys know about you but you could put a Smart Cover iPad next to the

0:36:02the flat side of a laptop in a skinny laptop

0:36:05that's why don't I would much rather have a hinge that works properly then

0:36:10that is padded so that it doesn't damage other items on their jostling around I

0:36:15do not like that it's upsetting to me because that smart cover is one of my

0:36:18favorite things about the iPad 3 that I used to just so just at work so nicely

0:36:23it so pleasing and practiced flap and shut and openness just other than the

0:36:28stupid thing Reese streaks delays in the screen because of anything but you know

0:36:32I do use the little Benny triangle thing when I propped up disappointing and

0:36:37their big the big case they put around that looking at the picture looks the

0:36:40same kind of the same design as existing big case in those big cases of terrible

0:36:44to have actually seen one of those obviously it's in the regular without

0:36:48that he would just the front but never seen the full-back case there sooner in

0:36:51the Apple Store never seen a real person but they're not sharp edges and they're

0:36:55not attractive they don't feel good in your hands

0:36:57one-member the iPad one case that was a disaster like everyone got it anyway

0:37:02straps flanges and seems it was very bad and the Sun don't know touch and

0:37:11anything even though they had that was really that's a decision you have to

0:37:15wonder why they did that obviously like I was thinking maybe they put up gaudy

0:37:18just in the big 12 make more people are by the big one but they didn't put in

0:37:23either when I see that they didn't even put it in the big one but not putting in

0:37:26too many make sense if you just trying to keep the price down like that

0:37:29especially since it you know how they say it like that but for the big one

0:37:35like 120 gigabyte model for crying out loud on the pics of events when it makes

0:37:40me think that they don't have enough of those little fingerprint sensors at this

0:37:42point that's what makes me think very possible that was his one and only

0:37:48product entire world that has that and they're going to sell a billion dollars

0:37:50and that product you still supply constraint of course none of us know why

0:37:53it's like a tree-like still i'm saying things like hey I was at the mall the

0:37:57Apple store in that a sign out front said no more iPhone prices today come

0:38:00back tomorrow but it's still happening now and so it's not like they are making

0:38:05them millions of them like they're not like they can make any of them but we

0:38:10have no idea which part is that making it so they can so that those scientists

0:38:14are going up at Apple stores weeks after lunch

0:38:16and had it could be a part that has never been in a product before it could

0:38:20be you know certainly not the screen which is more or less the same in the

0:38:24case just a bunch of aluminum and the a 71 that's already going to many of the

0:38:27iPad's so I'm thinking you know fingerprint sensor now are either of you

0:38:32going to get either the new iPads and if so which one after the

0:38:40I didn't watch the event on my wife to be there but she knew of the things that

0:38:43you came to me and said I want too many he wants the right number so I don't

0:38:47think she's getting one but that clearly that sales she just got a 50 fancy 64

0:38:53gig on her so she can wait you know I would love to have the new iPad but

0:38:59again I will wait like that this is my strategy for buying things that she does

0:39:02not adhere to just wait for the product that you want like I went the first iPad

0:39:07I got was the iPad 3 because it was the first read that one is a new Renault

0:39:11ones were coming I was going to wait and I have been so happy with my iPad 3 in

0:39:15ways that it wouldn't have been with my wife got the iPad 2 and iPad you don't

0:39:20want to you know I'm waiting for right now I did and I've been very happy and

0:39:24so I would say wait like like marco was entertaining doing with the Mac Pro and

0:39:29it's not the product you want to buy just because their weight if you can

0:39:33possibly wait your thing with not getting the first iPad Mini I i went the

0:39:38opposite direction got the first iPad Mini and I think it ruin the iPad for me

0:39:42for a year because I ended up I i hated the iPad Mini screen but I loved its

0:39:50size and so it made the iPad 3 feel heavy and big an outdated but I hated

0:39:57using it as the screen sucked so I just I've barely use an iPad at all of last

0:40:02year I had to use it more for Verizon tethering than any other purpose and its

0:40:07and so now with looking at these I'm wondering do I get the retina many or

0:40:12even the iPad air because I actually kind of like playing games on the big

0:40:14screen I just don't like carrying that giant thing at three was but I'm gonna

0:40:20have to go to a store in like feeling both in person before I decide because

0:40:24like maybe maybe I just don't have a place for an iPad in my life right now I

0:40:28should get any of them

0:40:29but maybe I should get the retina many that combines everything of everything

0:40:34that I like from both sides I kept hearing that story when the mini first

0:40:37came out of all my nerdy friends oh no I totally I just used to mean that

0:40:41everything else is crap or whatever and then my wife got a million like as I can

0:40:44happen to me and I could use her money and be like I can use the bigger but I

0:40:47very quickly found out I like the larger iPad I use it when I would never used to

0:40:53sit down and read things on my computer I always go interests lay down on the

0:40:57couch or bed or something and every time I like my iPad is my preferred device

0:41:02her really long things now my red and my big not too small on you know and I

0:41:08don't know why I love the big one so much I mean I know it's not like I'm

0:41:10doing anything with that big screen I just because it's bigger looks pretty

0:41:14sharply this more stoppin it's not some tiny little thing that I'm pinching it's

0:41:18more like sitting with like a magazine on your lap then sitting with a big deck

0:41:22of playing cards in your life that's why I think maybe the air might might do

0:41:27better than we expect a mean it it really does it still has the exact same

0:41:31size screen as the as the former Big iPad but with a substantially lighter

0:41:37case and and substantially smaller so I'm really curious to see how that

0:41:40doesn't practice yet to answer my own question so I currently have a iPad 3

0:41:46that is wifi only that we bought and then work gave me a while back and let

0:41:52me long-term let me awhile back and iPad Mini also wi-fi only and I don't think

0:41:59I'm going to get any new ones

0:42:02asked me to remind me of this in like a month if I were to get one

0:42:07I think I would I think I would get a iPad Mini I would get one that sells he

0:42:12and given the news today that t-mobile had that they have really really really

0:42:18competitive pricing on LTE service for iPads I would really consider getting in

0:42:23t-mobile 1 I'm not sure that I would but I really really think about it

0:42:27but again I do anything about one thing that kind of ruined for me a little bit

0:42:34is that I I got that awesome Logitech Keyboard Case for iPad 3 and I are using

0:42:41a couple of plane rides and it's really an iPad propped up on a keyboard case is

0:42:45a really fantastic planetree table computing device it's even better than

0:42:50the 11 inch MacBook Air which is normally the king of that that category

0:42:53it's really really good and the battery life is insane you can watch videos you

0:42:57can type on Twitter and something that has wifi so that was a lot of fun and I

0:43:02got too many and of course the keyboard cases and fit if I get the air the humor

0:43:06he still won't fit but I think looking at future keep her kisses I think having

0:43:11the extra length of the iPad air you know heightened portrait like having

0:43:17that dimension still be much bigger than the many would probably make for a much

0:43:22more usable keyboard case if your keyboard case kind of person the air is

0:43:26probably gonna be the better pick anything else from the events before we

0:43:31meander way to Mavericks iPad 2 law why is that what the what must the margins

0:43:40beyond that I like it I guess the LCD still kind of cost a little bit of money

0:43:46but I like it must be like 70 percent margin is just crazy to me and and the

0:43:51thing is they might like they must know that they can get away with that you

0:43:56know it must be selling and I must those people must want something big and they

0:43:59want something cheap and there it's just a sunbed computer you know my daughter

0:44:07my son play with their iPad 2 in the play games on it do things or whatever

0:44:10but I would never buy one for $400 for people out there you know your nerd you

0:44:16listen to a podcast help your family not get the iPad 2 I know I know didn't work

0:44:22out for us market couldn't stop them from getting a free iPad iPhone 4

0:44:25sometimes sometimes you can't do but just tell people like I give them the

0:44:29extra $100 to get like one of the good I just donated them just cuz

0:44:35to a five billion what's funny is that it's the exact same hardware

0:44:40as the original iPad Mini which is now still for sale for 30 bucks less so the

0:44:44original iPad Mini is all the exact same hardware same screen resolution just

0:44:48smaller dimensions from smaller physical screen and it all the same stuff for

0:44:53$100 less and so the the iPad for iPad 2 rather god's think that came out in

0:45:01early 2011 that is that is almost three years old and they're not only is this

0:45:05still selling it knew that if I don't understand that I don't just doesn't

0:45:13like all the theories i've heard which i think is plausible is that schools are

0:45:16buying a ton of them and anybody who still needs a doc portly if they made

0:45:20like somebody the chatroom said a few minutes ago sorry I forgot who that like

0:45:23a lot of people have like custom hardware that uses the dock port they

0:45:27that integrate with iPad for some part of the business so that kinda makes

0:45:30sense

0:45:31schools don't pay $3.99 they get the education price which is lower right

0:45:35will but think about it also if they made lots of the drug prison hundred

0:45:39bucks then it would be the exact same price as the iPad Mini sort of two

0:45:43things the exact same hardware except ones bigger

0:45:47exact same price that would be kind of 50 bucks dropped 700 bucks off Italy

0:45:52could this point but come on I think it's like figuring I was developed like

0:45:56this it does it feel good to keep so I guess together deal with the many anyway

0:46:00but it's just a thing like there's two there's to divide like even if they drop

0:46:03the iPad 2 and we as developers would still have to support the A five forever

0:46:07because they're still today selling the iPhone for us and the end the iPad Mini

0:46:12the original one which both use a CPU fast forward three years and you're

0:46:17gonna be in the same situation with 64 bit ago just one on 64 bit CPU left some

0:46:23crappy device on a six to keep supporting that it's annoying as well I

0:46:27can outlaw 64 bit well that's coming up at the next morning about the crappy old

0:46:32burst on this is the early era of what morning where he just keeps some slow

0:46:38device around four to like it like the 3ds before it was interesting to biggest

0:46:42in the chaplain this out that the iPad Mini original and iPad 2 or the same

0:46:47hardware one's bigger a hundred bucks more

0:46:49the

0:46:50retina many and the new iPad air are also the same hardware one's bigger also

0:46:55a hundred bucks more so they have the exact same gap with both product

0:46:58families yeah that's funny I mean when you go into an Apple store like the

0:47:01script to the spill or whatever they have to to say which device they like

0:47:05you like they do like small a lot of mind a little like there are it's a good

0:47:11it's a good spread to get everybody to get everybody something they want at a

0:47:14price they can kind of feel OK with while still having that's the kind of

0:47:18smooth little ramp that they had their wage anywhere you like you like you

0:47:22decide on the machines he wanted you end up getting a little bump in you and

0:47:25above 100 bucks more like share when I like Apple stores and Apple products and

0:47:29pricing a great at hurting you towards the thing that you think you want and

0:47:33then making you pay fifty to a hundred bucks more than you thought you're going

0:47:36to pay for it and then leaving the store happy to convince the magic of the Apple

0:47:40store like even if it's just the case like oh and of course you want two cases

0:47:43of course the blanket that $40 case which you were just hanging in hong over

0:47:48like a $2 difference between model and model be the case I got a free throw

0:47:5310+2 out on how well do they do with that but cases people I know I got out

0:47:58of his party had to its weird and was it last show the show before where I

0:48:07thought I was being albright and pointing out that we were darn near done

0:48:11with Doc devices nearly I was just way we note that they're gonna a dock port

0:48:16to the retina iPad the family and this is our big mouth bass family for people

0:48:24with all peripherals digga digga must be selling a ton of this iPad Tues I mean

0:48:28they must be selling way more than we can possibly imagine I don't know I mean

0:48:35every every time there's any kind of event for iPads can we talk about it all

0:48:40it's like iPad 2 Deathwatch I like the iPod Classic just wait for that one so I

0:48:45can still for sale is it still for sale in look after yesterday I classic ya

0:48:50think so at this point like I mean I was one of them I predicted for years every

0:48:55single class is gonna die right

0:48:58and every time goes by and it still around it's never taught mentioned it's

0:49:03just still quietly around for sale I think now like now the surprising thing

0:49:08would be if they do kill it just seems like this the undead zombie product that

0:49:13just cannot possibly die it's not like only available like one color one or two

0:49:17colors unlike many others just like this it there there are no options

0:49:24taken to leave no actually wait a minute there's two there is a silver and a dark

0:49:27grey calling black yeah they actually have both and they're both on the same

0:49:35capacity same price 250 bucks hundred and sixty gigs which i think has been

0:49:38that way for like three or four years compared to a net heard this I'm back to

0:49:43work today of all shows they're talking about this text shows someone they've

0:49:48third-hand up as they saw they saw something on the web link do something

0:49:51that said the number of possible excuse of one of the devices might have you

0:49:57been the iPhone like forty or something in terms of carrier storage size color

0:50:03combinations with forty skews

0:50:06I mean when you think about it like that is by far apple's most popular and most

0:50:10profitable product so they can afford to satisfy every possible lead with it it's

0:50:14similar maybe they're even talk about the iPad 2 similar because they do offer

0:50:18the two colors of the iPads and you can get on with it with the you know sunday

0:50:21without and with WiFi and in different sizes and multiplies out pretty fast

0:50:24like we all like this it's like bill daughter but not really because nothing

0:50:28is built daughter they just have to make all sorts of different varieties and you

0:50:32just pick the one you want when they want the white you know the rise in 32

0:50:37gig you know like that's that's a lot I will say also now that runs six people

0:50:45going to ask if your gonna buy an iPad I I would evaluate your own needs however

0:50:50I always highly encourage people to get a cellular model I think it makes a big

0:50:55difference in how you can use it and so I person at the Verizon one it's up to

0:50:59you but when you get just because for me having to have had work at my house on

0:51:03solar is not necessary but having it work everywhere else is awesome

0:51:06have Verizon iPad and AT&T on the phone and I have tethering available on both

0:51:10so I would never go on a trip I can just pick the one that has better reception

0:51:15wherever I am news of rising one and and use that to tether my laptop and it's

0:51:20awesome so I do recommend getting a soda 1 I i get 32 gig capacity on iPads I

0:51:26don't get 64 I get 32 just because that's the way I use it it's up to you

0:51:31how to use it but definitely I would recommend cellular I would agree with

0:51:34that I've only ever had WiFi iPads and especially the last the last two which I

0:51:41acquired roughly the same time which is the iPad 3 in the mini I've really

0:51:45regretted not having US Cellular One and I think up until today I would have said

0:51:50I would absolutely get the Verizon one just like you to offset the AT&T phone

0:51:53that I have that being said

0:51:55alluded to earlier t-mobile announced some really interesting cellular pricing

0:52:00on about you the details but it's something along the lines of you get to

0:52:03it makes free every month and then it was pretty cheap to add in I think was

0:52:08day or week passes at reasonable capacities it was not ridiculous that's

0:52:13really good for travel exactly but the only problem is if I'm reading things

0:52:17right it's I believe it's only on their 4G network which is basically in

0:52:21metropolitan areas and that's it so it is a pretty big trade off it's much

0:52:25cheaper but it may not be as available especially in the case of something like

0:52:29Verizon but I would definitely look into that and just like Marcus and evaluate

0:52:34your needs but if it were me I would probably get a 32 gig iPad Mini right

0:52:40now either t-mobile or Verizon

0:52:42if your iPad never leave your house than wifi only is probably fine but if you

0:52:46bring it with you either you know every day on your commute or she bring it on

0:52:50trips you no more than 20 times a year

0:52:53having at Avenel tijuana's is great because not only can you tell all your

0:52:58other stuff with it if you want to end the battery life and you're just having

0:53:01an awesome you can use it like pretty much all day but you can also get it

0:53:06just changes the way you use it when you just like a phone when you always know

0:53:10that it's always online rather than having to like go on your phone turn

0:53:14tethering on have your iPod connect your phone to tether

0:53:17it's when you whenever you add those steps it reduces the likelihood they're

0:53:22gonna pull out and check it and you can use it for something and so you like for

0:53:26me I've always found out I will use the iPad more when it has the radio them on

0:53:31it doesn't you're the only thing I would say those I am Not sure if t-mobile does

0:53:36tethering with these plans they very well may I just I really don't know that

0:53:40would dramatically change my enthusiasm for tmobile because half the reason I

0:53:44would want and acellular app ipad is in order to tether just like you were

0:53:48saying you want to move on to the Mavericks stuff yeah I'd like to briefly

0:53:54start by making an observation and then I will leave the floor too especially

0:54:00John what do you believe in the forum you guys gonna ask me questions I just

0:54:03wrote this entire room I can read the review in the area no we're not we have

0:54:08about 50 more minutes 20 minutes you can fit in there right so are you gonna do

0:54:13an audio book release no I'm not I mean like you can make Pakistan redo web

0:54:17pages you know like it's part of this part it's part of the OS they don't need

0:54:20me to do that for you but it's not the same you have to be a member of the

0:54:24audible read it has to be in the author's voice to really have maximum

0:54:27effect if I read something that I wrote it just makes me about the writing isn't

0:54:31like that just doesn't it takes a certain skill to read you know to read

0:54:38the written word is different than just speaking are giving a speech or anything

0:54:42like that it's very different and not not in my skill set that's funny you say

0:54:46that the market because earlier as I was reading the review it I thought to

0:54:50myself I wonder if we could take like recordings of need

0:54:55Naturally Speaking software that you use whatever it is the dictation software

0:54:58you use and piece together the review just from the recordings that you made

0:55:02in the process of writing the review you could not because I interleave typing in

0:55:07speaking which you really shouldn't do it is inefficient but that's just the

0:55:10way I work in this is nonsense just fragments of sentences bursted out and

0:55:15then I go back and edit things and put in two senses by hand and speaks

0:55:18tomorrow it is not a pretty process now you guys give me a taste my medicine I

0:55:24wanted to make a quick observation before we got to that it was one of the

0:55:28reasons I think was a WBC either this year or in 2012 and I didn't have the

0:55:34chance to go look it up and figure out exactly what what it was but I remember

0:55:37leaving that offend whatever the event was thinking to myself my goodness half

0:55:41of this event was a big screw you to Google and it might be the one where

0:55:45they introduced Apple maps which as it turns out wasn't as much as we thought

0:55:48but what would ever been to was there was one event where I left thinking my

0:55:53goodness that was just a big screw you to Google after this event I had a

0:55:58similar feeling but it was from Microsoft because it during the event

0:56:03Apple killed while you could argue that Apple killed paid OS upgrades are really

0:56:09paying for your OS in any particular capacity they killed

0:56:14office to some degree by by making the iWork suite free and they killed officer

0:56:2265 and kind of Google Docs by having I work the I work on iCloud beta or

0:56:28whatever it's called now granted when I say killed none of these things office

0:56:32and Google Docs aren't going away but I thought it was really really interesting

0:56:37that a lot of this was both an implied and in some cases explicit screw you to

0:56:42Microsoft in the explicit case I'm thinking of most most obviously is when

0:56:46they had the picture windows 8 or Windows 8 under whatever was the picture

0:56:49of the box for that in the end they said you know this is what the other guys are

0:56:54doing and we don't believe in thats we're gonna get free they blew it up

0:56:57they blew up the box with all the stuff they at least kept that transition

0:57:02exactly in so I just don't have as much else to say about that I'm curious if

0:57:07you guys have any thoughts but I just thought it was interesting that they're

0:57:10going after Microsoft with this because I was a direction I didn't really expect

0:57:13they going after the old Microsoft with that because like an article in Wired

0:57:19about this too that quoted me to someone

0:57:21some of them an email asking for take on this and I sent them a paragraph in the

0:57:25middle of the forest and savanna no idea but I did it mostly because I knew

0:57:28exactly what I wanted to say on this topic like the article was just killed

0:57:32the market for POS is simply sensational headline and I sent back a paragraph

0:57:37said this was happening and it's basically it's big it's because of

0:57:41vertical integration if you make the hardware and the software you can decide

0:57:45where you want to take your profit and lazy way to do is be like ok we'll get

0:57:49our problem hardware problem software to that's dumb move because if you can just

0:57:55shift that profit over just take a little bit you going software and put it

0:57:59into hardware maker software free free is a magical price point there so many

0:58:03like papers and books you can read about the experiments show the magic of free

0:58:07you know 11 cent difference going from one side to suits who sent does almost

0:58:11nothing but are going to send down to one son does almost nothing but going

0:58:15from one set down 20 cents unbelievable results like three is magic and so why

0:58:20in the world that you get like you know two percent of your proper forum

0:58:23software and and 98 from hardware when your results getting a hundred percent

0:58:27of your problem hardware and 0 from software just phenomenal and so if you

0:58:31make both most things you have that option and you could do their very

0:58:34sizable as well but it's really hard to give people free hardware especially big

0:58:38heavy things made of metal and then silicon chips and stuff like they're

0:58:41more expensive so if you have to make a choice where you gonna be your profit

0:58:44really really hard to put all your profit into software give you a free

0:58:47hardware although Amazon is almost kind of doing how to try to give free

0:58:51everything from the outside the choice is clear it's always been the big

0:58:55money's in the hardware and the software is cheap and out Apple's finally

0:58:59realizing I can make the whole thing we can show up all the profit into the

0:59:01hardware and software for free and Microsoft couldn't do that before cuz

0:59:06they didn't make the hardware and sat on the new Microsoft is we want to do that

0:59:09we want to be related to make the hardware and the software and once

0:59:13Microsoft does that they will finally have the freedom to shift that the

0:59:16Prophet wherever they want and I think they're going to end up in the same

0:59:19place you can give people free surface Pro two is or whatever they're selling

0:59:23now those costs money to make their physical goods you got a ship and people

0:59:26at the bottom and build them but you can make the software free so I think

0:59:30microsoft is not like microsoft knows where they're going to say oh we're

0:59:33going to make a run

0:59:34gonna buy Nokia we're gonna make your own stuff we're making our own Xbox or

0:59:37whatever you know OS upgrades for Xbox or not

0:59:41$29 for $100 whenever they're free to just get the new you know you update

0:59:45your software so everyone's going in the direction that direction everyone's

0:59:49being vertically integrated and Apple to take its wipes now but I think microsoft

0:59:53is considering the recent market almost there well on their way to becoming a

0:59:58kind of company are ready and able to get some final digs in you know before

1:00:02everyone arrives at same spot sure I think developers are are gonna read into

1:00:08this free stuff a lot more than the market will end and I was I would also

1:00:12say you know with regard to these things like you know quote killing these I mean

1:00:17I would say like my my favorite weapon in and worms the old I was a big fan

1:00:21forums that the 2d versions by before they went through in ruin the whole

1:00:25thing but my favorite weapon whereas the prod because it's just like put them off

1:00:32a cliff or something like you you expend the slightest effort possible and cause

1:00:35them you know some could have to happen and so I would say like you know Apple

1:00:41parotid Microsoft and Google with with these are they I don't think they really

1:00:47are killing anybody I don't think it's not that big of a deal to the industry

1:00:53what it really is you know these Apple products are appliances Apple want you

1:00:59think I'm thinking that way and Apple want you to just buy the Apple product

1:01:04and just always have the latest version that's something that Google cannot

1:01:07offer on all their stuff on Android and everything good can't offer it because

1:01:12they don't really controlled the ecosystem Microsoft can't offer because

1:01:16it kind of by their business model in the but the fact is no one with Android

1:01:20phones really ever upgrade anyway even if they can and even PC users don't

1:01:26usually upgrade their arrest usually they get to know us by buying a new PC

1:01:29so they're not really attacking these business models as much as it might seem

1:01:35it would also like you know that I work in in the in the browser stuff and the

1:01:41collaboration features that would have been a really fantastic if Google Docs

1:01:45didn't exist

1:01:46but now it's like Apple AAPL is true is really trying to play catch-up with

1:01:51Google Docs and and to date in a very bad job of it we'll see how this is i i

1:01:56dont have high expectations because their reputation this department is very

1:02:00very bad cases think about his feelings coming out of the Apple maps

1:02:03presentation and in terms of being able to control everyone's versions of stuff

1:02:11everyone's got a little put in a camp like Google's got its Chromebook

1:02:15Chromebook the whole big deal is like you always have the most recent version

1:02:18everything in Google Chrome which they offer for lots of different platforms

1:02:21same type of deal where Google Chrome is notorious for you know I should like

1:02:27this I just like look it's gonna update your gonna have the latest you connect

1:02:31to the internet

1:02:32you're gonna have the latest version of Chrome right and Chrome OS is like an

1:02:35entire machine that's like that you have no choice you want latest version

1:02:38everything no options you just gonna have it

1:02:40Android they can't do that with because of carrier crap and that's kind of you

1:02:43know the whole thing and some similar to Microsoft Xbox I mean I think you have

1:02:48the option not to upgrade but it's like they're not charging you and they will

1:02:50strongly encourage you all had a new Xbox out of me I don't know if they go

1:02:54so far so you can connect to live after a certain point you have an upgrade to

1:02:57latest Xbox and Microsoft console on who should know better than I but everyone

1:03:01who has control of any hardware platform walks to do that thing where it's just

1:03:05where they want to keep everyone up to date is just that Apple is like they're

1:03:08already there then camped out in that zone for just three decades the hardware

1:03:13we have the software and they were like they're fighting with one hand tied

1:03:16behind their back trying to start $29 so as 10 upgrades was like why why we doing

1:03:21that we're just responding ourselves and maybe it took Ohio esta to convince them

1:03:25like oh yeah we can just make it free and add $29.00 to the margins of our max

1:03:30problem solved so John switching gears for for a minute of the show what do you

1:03:36do you think maverick's do you think everyone should install it but not

1:03:40everyone have you installed on your main computers are you using in full time

1:03:44when you're on your main and work computers in their view which you

1:03:47haven't read I said it like every new version of OS 10 I've been upgraded to

1:03:53sooner and sooner like after you know usually after publishing review I said

1:03:57maybe by the time you read this I'll be all

1:03:59house will be on Mavericks unfortunately like a week before Mavericks released my

1:04:04works which VPN products from one that used to work with the OS 10 built in VPN

1:04:0821 the required a terrible third-party product and now I'm stuck until the VPN

1:04:13software but I can't get into the VPN software support and Mavericks and god

1:04:17knows how long that will be so unfortunately I was not able to execute

1:04:20my plan to give up the Mavericks and to get my name but it's it's pretty darn

1:04:26safe like you know it again I say they would you please people back up your

1:04:30stuff like do Rio backup confirmed that its ok maybe due to backup just in case

1:04:34because if you screw it up then your backup is the only one place your stuff

1:04:37is due back up sorry and do a couple Google searches of you know you have

1:04:42high res software tends to break it was upgrades

1:04:44say you're running PGP whole disk encryption which you shouldn't because

1:04:46you just should just be using the past tense built-in encryption see if that's

1:04:50compatible you running some crazy extension extension or driver like to go

1:04:55to the manufacturer's website send email to support things that has like it takes

1:05:00action week or so to get all these answers but you'll be much happier when

1:05:03you do it's not like you just wait some magical period of time to upgrade

1:05:06checker software if you just only running back stock AAPL stuff and things

1:05:11from the Mac App Store get upgraded a backup but you'll be fine but yet it

1:05:15seems to really low risk in terms of compatibility right down to the fact

1:05:19that it doesn't even eliminated Harbor compatible like it you can run mountain

1:05:22lion you can run this so I know the handful my co-workers have already

1:05:30upgraded in granted in all my coworkers are kinda nerds but some of them are not

1:05:36the kind of nerd said I necessarily would've expected to upgrade nos so

1:05:40quickly

1:05:41not to say they wouldn't do it but just to do it so quickly and I've heard any

1:05:44negative feedback from any of them back to work today

1:05:48I have not done it on either my machines yet I will at some point once I get some

1:05:55double sure backups going especially since we just went on this trip I want

1:06:00to make sure that I kinda get through the processing of all those files and

1:06:03make sure those are all squared away in more places than just the psychology and

1:06:08then I will probably upgrade like over the weekend or something the other

1:06:12reason to worry about upgrades is not that things are gonna work but you know

1:06:17features are added and changed and so that's why you know maybe reading her

1:06:21view and I know what you're in for a big as the say you really liked the old way

1:06:24that full screen work crazy person they knew who the new way that it worked is

1:06:29different and so you upgrading I missed 12 people complained that it was like

1:06:35they changed the way the power button works on laptops instead of bring up a

1:06:38little dialogue where you can sleep and all that stuff just heading it sleeps

1:06:42the whole it down to get a dialogue and that seems like a small thing but that's

1:06:47a change and it doesn't like it's not like your computer doesn't work anymore

1:06:50but people upgrade that's the thing that they'll say I upgrade to measure gonna

1:06:53ruin my computer not have to hold down the key to get on top of you

1:06:56accidentally hit because near the leak in my laptop puts me to sleep and you

1:07:00know that the way too weak to point out some way to disable that was some like

1:07:05stuff like that is in the real world what people decide to condemn or praise

1:07:10a release for an ob praising it again if they didn't like the new one if they

1:07:15have multi monitor they like having the menu bar in both places like stuff like

1:07:17that is what people end up becoming attached to it whereas when I'm things

1:07:23like I was gonna you know how was your computer knowledge you get your work

1:07:26done stuff like that and that's more of a software compatibility thing but yeah

1:07:29we have you can see the features some features are different than they are now

1:07:32online

1:07:33better not worse it's up to you to decide but they're different find out

1:07:36what those R and see if you like them but I think one of the reasons people

1:07:39are upgrading is because like you go to any computer with mountain line you

1:07:44launch the app store it's like a the genome averages out presses button get

1:07:48it now you know that's the whole point 30 purchased just it's gonna be shoved

1:07:53in your face and when I was seven

1:07:55and iOS devices and that's that's all part of the plan just very briefly about

1:08:01features one of the things that I've been kind of dreading about Mavericks

1:08:05since I was sitting in the WBC keno is that when on my work computer

1:08:10particularly I like to have three different spaces and one of them is like

1:08:15personal email and web browsing the middle one is work email and I am and

1:08:19things of that nature and the third one is whatever the actual work I'm doing is

1:08:24and I treat each of these three spaces as one contiguous unit across two

1:08:31monitors so maybe I'll have work email on the on board LCD and I'll have work I

1:08:39am on a external LCD but that space-based number two I treat is one

1:08:45contiguous unit just spanning two monitors I know that the way that

1:08:50maverick streets though the spaces and in mission control and all that is that

1:08:55it is no longer there now to independent monitors with two independent situations

1:09:00going on and I've been dreading that although if I recall correctly you said

1:09:04the review there is a way by which you can turn that off if I really get

1:09:08desperate but that's a great example of something where I already know that this

1:09:12might not be something I like but I i theoretically have a backup plan just in

1:09:17case and the point it's like when you gonna do like you're not going to stay

1:09:21especially if you're upgrading it eventually you're gonna get a new

1:09:25mechanism I'll just get used to it sooner rather than later like absolutely

1:09:29get started on figuring out what you need to do to tweak in this particular

1:09:32version to your liking

1:09:33right instead of just saying on all the same reason both these people on Snow

1:09:37Leopard still they mentioned nikki noted that I also mentioned a few people of

1:09:40Snow Leopard last good version right because that's just the one they love

1:09:44and you just got to move on eventually yeah that's why I figure out all over

1:09:50the weekend but it's nice it's nice a knowing what I'm probably not going to

1:09:55like about it but it's also nice knowing after having read your view that there's

1:10:00a backup plan available

1:10:01also I'm very surprised that I have the self control not update immediately if

1:10:07for no other reason than for the easy access to emoji with whatever that is

1:10:13which Stephen Hawking oh so gently pointed out in his mattress review you

1:10:17don't need easier access to emerging market and they can have a problem I put

1:10:23that in my urge you to Casey I thought you read it I don't know I saw your I

1:10:29got a snarky call out in Hackett's review yeah I mean we're late relating

1:10:35to show for me to be going through my view point by point and we will all we

1:10:40can do more of that next show but like to sum up the little bit and then we'll

1:10:50get into more details on future shows but when I'm writing these things I'm

1:10:55always looking for some kind of message or theme for the OS and Apple AAPL

1:11:00provide something that would like whatever they decide to be pushing you

1:11:03know however they tried to wrap up in a bow the features that happened to make

1:11:06it into this release in this one obviously energy-saving is a big thing

1:11:09but what I'm looking for is like historically speaking what kind of

1:11:13releases this and I would say it's a weird one like that's the theme of this

1:11:17review that goes drug thing that's where it stopped in this like it's odd it's

1:11:22even call it like a transition because there have been transitioned over this

1:11:25is but it's like a transition between what and what a transition between that

1:11:29weird line mountain lion forestall I West jealousy you know no clear vision

1:11:36world and then like not on your way to an iOS 7 things it seemed like a Disney

1:11:42maybe that's out there in the future is not clear but it's like ok away from

1:11:45where we were but not towards anywhere in particular and it's weird you know

1:11:52aesthetically and like spiritually if you want that way like it's it's kind of

1:11:58a little bit lost in computers which is not to say that so many parts of

1:12:02visitors better like the tech partners gets better you know

1:12:05gets more efficient these things get to use less memory things get faster and

1:12:10just you know bugs are are removed and subsystems improving you know everything

1:12:15about the respect to be better but it's not setting off in some bold new

1:12:19direction it's kind of like I don't know it's an odd bird and it's kind of like

1:12:26the beginning of something new but it doesn't know what that is because we

1:12:28stop the cats we start with the place names and it's you know it's kind of

1:12:35like a baby cows there baby deer whenever they get up stand up for the

1:12:43first time in their big long legs during that's that's kind of like what

1:12:47Mavericks is but at the same time has that vibe of like well there's that and

1:12:51there's also like when they didn't go try to like ripped the entire house down

1:12:54and do something you like it and I was seven so there is a comfort and

1:12:57familiarity so that theme I hope people who read the review like it's hard

1:13:03because you like a certain point and pasting text dumps of like exeter output

1:13:07in him to the thing in your life that I've lost the plot now I don't know

1:13:11what's going on with this review but I hope that runs throughout the review and

1:13:16I do try to added another layer on top of that which is you know stupid snarky

1:13:23comment and yes tons and tons of pop culture references and I i feel like if

1:13:26you don't understand any of the pop culture references that it put in there

1:13:29and no one but me like it's gonna get them all because they're all from my

1:13:32personal history I feel like you still get the theme that I'm driving out I

1:13:37shouldn't have to know have watched the same movies and TV shows and read the

1:13:40same book as I have to get what I'm getting it should be there in the text

1:13:44but if everybody else there is the subtext laid on top of it and help the

1:13:47people who get those to you later references and find little Easter eggs

1:13:50or whatever that had something to but I never want that to be the only thing and

1:13:53and the things I'm adding to it I hope is building on that team not just like

1:13:57oh and by the way like here's a funny thing from a TV show that some of the

1:14:02other related to the theme of this review I've tried to make the records

1:14:04related to the theme in their view including like the big one pop culture

1:14:08theme that runs throughout the entire thing to try to tight end and part of

1:14:11the reason I do that is to use me in

1:14:14entertains me to write that way but the other thing is I don't know what to do

1:14:18for review until I basically have the intro and like the last line for the

1:14:24last paragraph in my head for their view and then it's just a matter of ok well

1:14:27just fill in the 20 K were in the middle of your fine that's my process like I

1:14:32need to know what that opening is like in the opening the interest take me too

1:14:36long as to write on many things I have spent more time in the interest in it do

1:14:39unlike the next fifty percent of their view the intro and then the conclusion

1:14:44in the past years i mean to conclusions one the boring conclusion reached the

1:14:49recommendations section where I tell you like should you buy it what are the

1:14:52factors involved what do I think of it and then there's the touchy-feely

1:14:55conclusion which is what I am with that's what I think about so if you

1:14:59haven't read the review or haven't they don't blame you are never intended to

1:15:03finish and I would encourage you to give it a try with what I just said in mind

1:15:07hopefully it'll give you some sort of guide through through the experience in

1:15:11come out the other side and we will talk more about the individual features

1:15:15Mavericks in future shows and I want to answer one question for the chat room

1:15:18because I was asking how many people have been asking us on Twitter that's a

1:15:21whole other met him at a theme of like people asking questions about their view

1:15:25on the whole feedback process especially the age of Twitter why isn't the book

1:15:29available next can I book store what ya like so I put it up on iBooks and

1:15:35country you want to be available in isolated all the available countries but

1:15:42some of them showed little red lights with a says you know you do not have a

1:15:44contract to sell in this country

1:15:46contact blah blah but never mean it's kinda like conde nast as the merchant

1:15:50account into the contest is the parent company of our second ago and I don't

1:15:55know if it's just a particular company or whatever but this book is for the

1:15:59iBooks for sale everywhere that I was able to put it up for sale I don't

1:16:02control whatever the deals are the kind of nice house with these individual

1:16:05countries so it's not a New Zealand is not in mexico it's not all sorts of

1:16:08countries but it isn't 32 countries if you can't get it through the iBookstore

1:16:11but you still want the iBook version you can subscribe to our premier get the

1:16:15exact same file and also the Kindle version had a PDF version

1:16:19and a single page web page version without ads show on my blog post about

1:16:25it explain all this stuff so it's not a choice on my part is nothing I can do

1:16:28about it but you can there is another way to get the exact same price the

1:16:31thing that you want to get tickets probably it for sure people want to hear

1:16:37more about matters but by next week both of you will have read it and will have

1:16:40come to come prepared with questions for me about things I'm not just going to go

1:16:45through it

1:16:45a section of times I anticipated talked about this like that's not gonna is

1:16:50there a format or version of the article that you recommend the most if you

1:16:53didn't even read my meta blog post he's just not that that's the after dark for

1:16:58the review I have to save until after I read the review and you can read the

1:17:02spoilers it's the same as the one last year I just copy and paste the same damn

1:17:06blood pressure which I admit in the thing I like is my plan was to read the

1:17:10web version on the iPad so they can follow the links just in Safari that's

1:17:15my personal favorite is the first of all I spent all this time and paying getting

1:17:19his damn Retina screen shot because i dont have a complete view this is not a

1:17:23fun experience trying to create going to high DPI mode and crannies gigantic

1:17:26windows onto your non Retina screen Android arrange them so you can get

1:17:30everything right and my wife's computer she's constantly chasing me to get off

1:17:33her computer cuz she's going on the 27 screen which consider reasonable sized

1:17:37window in and Heidi p.m. out so all those rendered images if you have access

1:17:42to run the device I highly recommend reading under a device that I like doing

1:17:46a long reading on my retina iPad so I think that is the best experiences said

1:17:50you know if you wanna say what is what is the top-level experience for me it's

1:17:54subscribe Stars premiere go to the article on your iPad your retina iPad

1:18:00and view it on a single page with no ads and just girls in one city second after

1:18:05that I would say is read the web version broke up into pages because then you can

1:18:08remember you are on page seven or something and not have to worry about

1:18:10like retain your position this giant Marks growing think my plan again do it

1:18:15on a Mac or something like that I really think about versions the best version I

1:18:20say this every year which is make any sense casino

1:18:23reading the web version is like version costs money to everything is free

1:18:27freeware version is the best one I think I'll explain at length with copy and

1:18:32paste attacks from last year's post explaining the same thing maybe next

1:18:34year I'll build it back to its a read what I wrote last year that all blazes

1:18:37here will the right answer is to buy the Kindle version and by the US version but

1:18:42still read on the web on an iPad some people do that and I thank them for like

1:18:46you know and some people just like to have liked the exists because people

1:18:49want to not because I thought it was a great idea I don't think anyone why

1:18:51would anyone pay for an ebook get three people really want to read it so you

1:18:56want it will be provided

1:18:58go nuts and Marcus defense I was going to ask you that question even even

1:19:02though I knew the answer just because I felt like it might be worthwhile to have

1:19:04it stated on the show that the canonical version is the Ars Technica web version

1:19:10honor in the device preferably full-size iPad

1:19:14tax advisor to i mean you know the only part partly objection experience to

1:19:21reading on the web is I do use a lot of links and my writing and I i think thats

1:19:25good I like that some people don't that's why i think is rooted in you know

1:19:29so far and i think is revisited links about leaving to another application or

1:19:32whatever in nicely go back and forth and retain state of where you are and

1:19:36everything but the links color the late colors are as uses for both vietnam

1:19:40visited and visited links make it so lots of links in a paragraph get up a

1:19:44little bit like they're not subtle like orange

1:19:47do and I don't know I don't pick the color of the site design and the colors

1:19:54are not there you know most people who write for us to not use the identity of

1:19:58links that I do and if you're scared by the first page looks like it's a link

1:20:03they do thin out later and my big thing with linking is I think they're super

1:20:08important and I don't want anyone to read a sentence and not know what I'm

1:20:11talking about like to read over something like that read somewhere they

1:20:14make some off-handed a mention of course animation and they have no idea of

1:20:17Coronation is I don't want to just leave them there hanging them know that think

1:20:20they're going to a coronation I want to link them back directly to the section

1:20:23right describe what car animation is in detail two years ago

1:20:26whatever that's why I put the links that you know a car animation is your second

1:20:29mouse and over the stupid thing to see where they go wherever and whenever you

1:20:32start ignoring that's fine but

1:20:33I want to bring everybody law so you shouldn't need to follow the link to

1:20:37understand if you know what I mean is the link think the car animation right

1:20:40and some of them are starting something and adding information sentence but they

1:20:43should never be necessary should be able to remove everything linking this review

1:20:46it still makes sense if you have all the background knowledge that you need to

1:20:50help but I'm not going to go into detail of explaining you know what you know

1:20:54what virtual memory is it something about our actual memory you know lots of

1:20:59Wikipedia page looks like what is this I don't you stop the middle sentence

1:21:03insight I don't know what that now in a proper noun is or I don't understand

1:21:07this concept of the three-letter acronym and I know you're not going to go google

1:21:10it but if you can just click link and I'll take you directly to precisely the

1:21:14pace to explain exactly what that thing is that you can resume reading now I

1:21:18agree with you I like the lines so I'm saying like if I pick the link color for

1:21:22a second ago I would pick a color that blends more nicely with the writing but

1:21:26I don't think it so that's the only one downside to reading it

1:21:32the web version versus books to use like depending on your readers configured to

1:21:37use anything else but wrap it up thanks a lot or to sponsor this week

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1:21:47John because I will probably have done my homework

1:21:52now the show they didn't even mean to begin

1:21:57it was accidental

1:22:00accidental John

1:22:07because it was accidental and you can t be L and T Marco

1:22:50that the first time you've ever done your homework can do lots of homework I

1:22:56don't have to prepare and finally you been preparing for the last like you

1:23:02know five months or whatever bye next week on everything so frequently

1:23:06consulted as it's like after you take the test your knowledge leaves your head

1:23:10that again let's blame the listeners will say that we're giving them time to

1:23:16read it and prepare their own questions and into our feedback form rather than I

1:23:22didn't do my homework as I was out all day

1:23:23yeah I think a lot of people like i dont wanna read their reviews too long and

1:23:26boring I just wanna hear an audio summary of it but it's better if you

1:23:31read it and then if I think compromise but if you watch the movie or TV show

1:23:34read the book and then listen to the income people talking about you don't

1:23:36wanna do they're so if you go out there and read the review and come back next

1:23:41week

1:23:42time to read it's not that long yeah I mean I think I didn't matter if you last

1:23:46year I think it took it took me like an hour and 40 minutes or something like

1:23:48that it wasn't it you know it doesn't take like hours and hours and hours to

1:23:52read this thing it's not that ridiculous it does if you don't know what I'm

1:23:55talking about like if you don't know the background that's all those links are

1:23:58therefore if you read it he likes what the hell of a talking about Forrestal

1:24:02what I don't know who these people are well click the link and you'll find the

1:24:05story about you know like you just keep going back let me who was fought cuts or

1:24:09so why did you leave it was the home about about them like we also met her

1:24:12once serene that kind of a vague idea what that's about

1:24:15for context but if you don't think so you can if you do that you could be

1:24:18there for a long time it's like getting lost in a Wikipedia maids are you just

1:24:22keep going back and back until you're on the page her philosophy inevitably I

1:24:28said that like you know the number of links it takes to any Wikipedia page in

1:24:31the loss of a page that's where they're all dead end it now you want two titles

1:24:37we have a ton of amazing ones the one that Marco picked last week like he was

1:24:43totally not going to make it on the air but then I saw the c-level executives

1:24:46yeah you could you not resist that Iran it was just so your joke was so bad and

1:24:52and it was just like there weren't any other that were really awesome and that

1:24:56one ended up being really awesome because I think you just want to put my

1:24:59explanation

1:25:00after show actually I decided to put that in before I decided to take the

1:25:04name of that but it was just it was so funny because you thought it was so fun

1:25:11and and your your enthusiasm for it made it funnier it actually is

1:25:16that's the secret cases this is the actual like the letter C hyphen level

1:25:24looks awful it's this just terrible terrible business races like songs I

1:25:28think your email to c-level executives is just terrible all the ways that made

1:25:33up jargon is terrible but when you change it to sea levels like oh yeah now

1:25:38we're onto something of the sea

1:25:39c-level executives it sounds interesting and classy and pure and is not like sea

1:25:45level you know china are you really trying to sell this is not really a nice

1:25:51it's a much nicer place and see the joke is like if you want to find it in there

1:25:54is like how awful sea level is with the letter C as compared to the way you know

1:26:00market came around on his own

1:26:02c-level executives did you hear the after show from last week and I don't

1:26:09usually listen to the posted 1 John but everything oppose it was everything

1:26:13about you didn't like this every podcast my mom always the posted version

1:26:19everything I know I did not know that you know by now you just plain dirty I

1:26:29was a very good you didn't hear that one off and Khamenei made an EMT hours of

1:26:33course

1:26:35apology accepted I do like you know it's not terrible and I'll try not to do that

1:26:47again and again next week but you over two years